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IPR Up Close. Prog 7 - Eliza Edens

IPR Radio

26:41 min | Last month

IPR Up Close. Prog 7 - Eliza Edens

"You're listening to. Radio of close. She's a singer songwriter with the poet's mind. A music can transport you from the wilderness to the rainy city streets in dream full harmonies. In our own words. This is Elisa Edens. K. Helpless words. Okay shall we start? Hi My name is Eliza Edens. I'm beast currently in western Massachusetts though most recently been based in Philadelphia Pennsylvania in the US. When did it stop? Elisa? How did you get into Indie Folk? I got into. indie folk. Scene or so because I got a guitar that originally belonged to my brother but it was neglected by him and so I started learning to some pop songs that I like and some Beatles songs that I grew up listening to, and I initially started playing them on the piano but then I wanted to learn guitar because I felt like it fit more with accompanying singing. It's odd more interesting than just piano chords. When I listened to you songs the very poetic. And you have a very sweat way of writing and singing them how do you build up as? Well. I say, usually a song comes about in my head by me noodling around on the guitar. For some period of time and kind of getting into a trance and then all kind of discover a riff or a certain combination of chords. That sound good together. And then I'll usually start just like humming over that already melody. And then the lyrics usually come. Last, they're the hardest part for me. Sometimes a couple times songs of come. Out of ood poems that I've written in my journal, but usually it's guitar putting around on the guitar and then. You know coming up with something from their. Sir. Charles. What does your music mean to? I guess this could be interpreted in two ways like what does my act like output of music mean to me? I guess that means to me sharing my space, my personal space for healing in processing the world with other people. In. The hopes that other people that it might help people heal and process their emotional lives. Or? At any comfort. To. Their. Existence. Increasingly difficult planet to be living on. But other than that. I think music personally for me is just how I most truly am in the world I think. A how much truly exist. it sounds cliche but my life would not be complete without me me doing my music. For for me. Maybe it softish in that way. Who'd you look to for influence? Music. One person WHO's writing and Guitar Plan I really admire is Laura Marling. A lot of people can probably hear that and. Another. Influence sides a newer like influence would be John Fahey who's a finger style guitar player. who? Was? Most pop I mean he wasn't really popular during his lifetime but was probably most known in the sixties and seventies kind of interesting character. And, recently, I've been learning some Elizabeth cotten finger style tunes. I've been into Finger Saga Tar lately. but the Beatles listen to a lot of Beatles growing up. A lot of Peter Paul and Mary in the car on tapes. I remember my mom had this CD. That was like a bunch of pieces curated by Yoma. Like Yomas, favorite tunes, or something, and the song. Take five was on there. And have distinct memories of riding in the back of the car asking her to play that song over and over again, which is like a jazz classic. And like mimicking the drums solo on the. Console in the middle of the. Thing that you put random things in in between the passenger seat in the seat of the car So a lot of different influences I love like interesting romantic piano music like I I learned some chopin pieces and WC pieces when I was into playing piano more frequently. When I was younger. Did. Since. Every. been. Apple. Watch. Over. Persistent base rattles every. It's time. The now turncoats. Every. Eight up. On A fanatic. showed. US. Time on no details. The. Smith's. Own. So days nights was initially I think I had A. After pick. My mom up. Hey Hey are you Already okay I'll be there in a second. Okay. All right I'm back. So. Yeah. The three songs here today. It's And long drive and time away from time. Yeah days nights that one initially came about I. Think I just had the course part To. Chords, I liked it I thought it was Kinda Catchy I. Just Kinda. Had It on saved on my voice memos for like three or four months but I couldn't find had had some lyrics set to that I didn't really. Like or you know they just didn't have any emotional significance that was lasting but I I wanted it to be something because I really liked it and I think I just. One day just sat down with the chorus. Part and just tried playing around with some chords that could be vs. Shoot. Every memory and? Learns. Layer to that song difficult for me I. Think I was I know I. was writing rewriting some words up until the morning that it was recorded. Which means that whenever I perform that song, I always have a hard time remembering these you know certain. Words which which is funny. I should practice more. Sometimes I don't like it when artists fully explain their songs. Because I definitely believe that songs should be open open to interpretation and every single way which. Is what makes songs belong to everyone but? Specifically for me. That song has to do a lot with. Kind of the. In, I think I. Kind of personifying. How anxiety is for me and? Relating it to more physical. Existence in the world. I should talk about the production on days. Nights. Yeah the production for days nights we were in the studio in Minneapolis recorded a lot of the songs that were on this album time away from time. This one was recorded live with me and playing guitar and singing and Pat Keane playing. Upright Bass. We got to take that we liked and then pat tracked drums over it And Dexter added some great guitar. And really helped like sculpture and produce the song into what became I really like. The arrangement of that song in particular on the album your crack. House. Screen traffic. Done. Purdue at goes slow down. The. Two more. On. A. Try. Chicanery. skeedaddle. Mix dish. Fever trail. CRAN. Long. On Loan. Jarred. Let's see long drive was A. That Came from lear. Lyrical. IDEA I. I was doing some work when I was living in Philly very for a very short period of time. When I needed money badly. I was helping re Hab a house that someone was trying to flip in Philadelphia. that was trying to flip and is working. For him for a short period of time. And I was just in this house for like hours just listening to podcasts and music that I liked for a long period of time. And I think some of I lyrics like you're cracking my reality I think that just kind of occurred to me. Like one of those things that just kind of falls from the sky. Are Member. I think I probably scribbled notes on on the phone the words on my phone. And then went back after finish my work for the day to my house and coming guitar out and surplus cords and. That's Song I tried to really make very not seductive belichick very M. Lots of you know include lots of imagery in it. Try. Sheen. No skeedaddle Persian. Kind of the idea for the long drive part was I was driving a main on tour. I was playing some shows maybe earlier. Before I wrote the song. was really stressed out and Kinda sad and just grind while I was driving a main. Love. Maine by the way has nothing to do with main. distressed out at the time. And could just kinda stressed out by. Just the grind of music some times. That sort of what the song is about for me but you know it can be. About. I know everyone feels. That stress or that pressure sometimes. So it's sort of about that like. Playing the long game. And the song was recorded in a similar way to days nights live. With Bass player Pat. Had tracked drums afterwards and. Then Dexter who as good friend of mine and has. been mostly working just with him for recording music since I started. He had this really cool. We were trying so hard to figure out something in the middle like some sort of guitar solo or something, but nothing was working and or it's or sanity. cheesy. And So, Dexter had this cool machine. But basically is just kinda hummed some notes into it and it created this beautiful like immersive sound from just that one vocal. That's what's in the middle of the song and I think that really helps the space of this Andre. On. A. The last. I wanted to share with time away from time, which is the title title track of the album. I think it's the song on the album that means the most personally to me, which is perhaps why it is the title track. Grain Yeah. Old. Stay. Tuned. Only. To learn to. To. Sparse A. Man. Stay. Does. The PA. The. Loan and into. Processing CEOS. From time. Own. Time. Served. This is another song that came lyrics i. Maybe like two winters ago, twenty, seventeen, twenty, eighteen I was. Very, into this Irish poet and philosopher who's not alive anymore but his name is John O'Donoghue. And a friend had recommended a book of his called UNOM Kara. To me and I was reading it that winter another book of his called, beauty? And religious put me in this space for the whole time reading it of just Miss Mystic nece I don't know So yeah. Had those words that I liked and then I think I just started playing that Guitar Riff The. That that song was one of the song, one of those kinds of songs just kind of happened after that I. Can't explain much further just kind of happened. And we recorded it. That was when we recorded in the house. I grew up in. Which is where I am actually speaking from right now. we recorded it in the stairwell and Dexter set up some. Cool Mike's in different spots that caught different waves of sound bouncing off of different walls. I. Love. It definitely has a room sound. Yeah I was just done in one take I. Think we may be edited the beginning slightly because I made a mistake but. And then. Dexter D- Did some great. Sound Effects with his electric guitar, which is very, very good at also we added in some sound samples they had. Yeah, we tried to keep it pretty minimal for the song. Because that's what it called for. When I was deciding what to call the album the working title of it was actually garden of sound but. I showed it to a friend and she was like Yo you should name this time away from time because that's will most the songs seemed to be about an I was like, yeah, I think I'll do that. Thanks so much IPR. For asking me to divulge all of my deepest darkest secrets. On Your podcast. And I hope anyone out there is doing well and or as well as you can be right now in this complicated time. Yeah. Signing off by. Hi My name is Melanie I'm Sarah where songwriter duo based in Bushwick in Brooklyn. New York near we are the band called heart. The first one. Was the cranberry meet someone new experience something new. But also knowing that it could end until until zoster she wrote it around the time that she I moved to New York and kind of saw that happening firsthand. Very fulfilling for both of US Hugh finally get to live out our dream of doing music in New York City in the next program, we moved to New York where we meet up with the folk do Haas My name is George gun-free and you've been listening to Ip our radio up close.

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New Music Friday: Nov. 15

All Songs Considered

31:18 min | 1 year ago

New Music Friday: Nov. 15

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Tito's handmade vodka morning bread in Austin Texas the live music capital of the world. Eighty proof Tito's handmade vodka fifth generation Inc. distilled and bottled in Austin Texas news breaks and big stories change every day. That's why we're giving you. NPR's ten minute morning news. PODCAST ON SATURDAYS TO I'm Scott Simon and I'm Lou Garcia Navarro up. I start your day with us. Weekdays at six eastern and Saturdays at the eight a bit later to suit your weekend from NPR news happy Friday everyone from NPR music and all songs considered. I'm Robyn Hilton. I'm here with an powers hand patio and Stephen Thompson. Co Lo Robin. It's new music Friday and we're looking at the best albums out on November fifteenth starting with Milky chance and their new album mind wind the moon. Xm Eh darned. That's it's of Lewd a B on the And this is the band. Milky chance album is called mind the moon and the song listening to is called. Oh Mama a band with a name that sounds like they might be a j pop group or something but they're actually a dua from Germany totally totally new to me But from what I've read and I've seen online. They've got a a really massive following in Europe in other parts of the world. Yeah this German duo has been around for a while. They had a huge international. Hit and twenty thirteen with a song called stolen dance and this is this is their third album to me. What's interesting using about Milky Chances? The way they kind of embody a new twist on the old concept of world music and on this album. They have a song uncalled photo. Which touches on that Portuguese style of music? Making they have Ladysmith Black Mambas were on here singing on the track. Yeah that's called Edens Edens House. I actually wanted to play a little bit of that. mm-hmm take off on just love the steady sort of morning after grooves that run through. This'll record really nice. Listen Milky Chances. The duo the album is called mind. The Moon I keep saying that the torrent four into fourth quarter releases is going to slow down any day now but it's actually another really packed week and we have a lot of albums that we want to highlight so we'll try to move quickly here. Let's go next next to the band. Brain story brain story has a new album called buck. You like to But the darkness in you And a the Mara Liasson. I'd say a it is true. ooh This is brain story. Their new album is called Buck and the summer listening to his called. Sorry this is a trio originally from California this is their full length debut and that kind of occupies that same space in terms of vibe and mood and and grooves as the milky chance. Dance record you know in the in the previous segment Robin. You mentioned you described Milky Chances of morning after band brain story is a middle of the night band. A unlike the party's over. You're not ready to go to bed. You just want something. That's got that blurry wobble to it. It it is it will ease you into the morning after they were straight jazz trio before they ventured off into the middle of the night. Five so So you're going to get some solid music secure not not just messing. It earns its looseness. I think this record. Did anyone think of steely Dan when they were listening to like steely Dan if they had done a record with with J. Diller. I actually thought more war. Amazing Lat next seventy s funk. Band brain story is the band. The album is called DOC. Let's go next to lady antebellum really big released for this week. The album is called ocean. You Fast Asen onno waste and swimming a EH Due to the slow bill to sad euphoria every time lady. Antebellum is the ban. The the album is called ocean. This song is the thing that rex you you for the uninitiated lady antebellum. Let's see they've sold literally. Millions of records have billions of streams. One seven grammys This is the seventh album album and and I know this is a really big win in your world. They're huge huge country act and really beyond traditional definitions of country. Just a huge pop. Act Out of Nashville. The two main Vocalists Hillary Scott Charles Kelley really pioneered that sound of trading off in blending vocals. A new way a of do wedding that you hear in bands like sugarland and little big town. One of my favorite country acts of all time who are on that track as well and this taps into that folk pop side of country of like the really rich beautiful harmonies those notes of melancholy. That's swell that kind of uplifting swell underneath at all man like you said Robin that you just said gets me every time. Yeah that's me every time. Yeah they call the album ocean because the songs are about sort of the overwhelming sea of life that people find themselves in in the struggle to keep your head above water lady. Antebellum is the band. The album is called ocean next to Arthur Russell. A posthumous release from Arthur Russell. It's called Iowa dream Ah yeah this. Is Arthur Russell. The album is called Iowa dream in the song everybody everybody a collection of demos in recently discovered recordings and unfinished songs. That come nearly thirty years after he died on but Stephen reminded us who. Arthur the Russell is Arthur. Russell was a musician Worked in a lot of different scenes almost at once he worked in kind of Von Guard art scenes as well as disco and pop op and dance music. He's developed quite a bit of a cult following since his death from complications from AIDS in nineteen ninety two. And what I really like about this this collection. This is a nineteen song collection mostly spanning the mid seventy s to the mid eighty S. I really appreciate how much it captures his gift for Songcraft in craft you know like his songs could be used in a lot of different genres but you just get a sense of the songwriting at the core of his music and this is cold from his vaults but then addressed up in new production in part with the help of the musician Peter Broderick and I think this is just a really lovely collection. I have to admit when I heard there was another posthumous release released coming from Arthur Russell. I thought Oh my God I mean how. How much could they possibly have left? You know the guy because there have been so many releases after his death but these are not scraps craps. I mean I really love this whole album so much humanity and hard in these songs you know about the need to love everybody and kind of how we're all in this together. He was as a kid from a small town in Iowa who moved to northern California and then later to New York and I feel like there's a sense of on wondering his music you know sort of just marveling at life itself Arthur. Russell is the artist. His album is called Iowa dream. Let's do one more before the break. This comes from the rapper. Lil Peep. The album is called. Everybody's everything It's it's not sir. Yeah Yeah they on nine SEC bags so lie gets Do Yeah go out and do you. Don- Johnson Johnson with friends is. This is the rapper lil peep. His album is called. Everybody's everybody's everything the Sun we're listening to is called Princess and this is Another posthumous release. The little peep is a rapper. He died actually two years ago. Today it was on November number fifteenth in two thousand Seventeen and he was only twenty one years old. Yeah I think peop- stories important to remember and his music is important to remember too many who who are absorbed in the world of what is known as soundcloud rap. Little might seem like a footnote but he really was a pioneer in blending elements of of styles like emo with trap and hip hop elements. And I don't know there's this tenderness in his music as well as you know darker emotions ocean's anxiety and depression that a lot of teenagers really really connected with and I think his legacy lives on in the music music people like Billy Irish Lil peep is the artists. The album is everybody's everything and we still have a whole bunch of other albums that we want to highlight for this week's new music Friday the first we need to take a short break. And we'll be right back. The following message comes from our sponsor Jack. Daniel's Nelson Eddy Jack Daniels historian explains why he he believes. The town of Lynchburg is an essential ingredients for their Tennessee whiskey. There are generations of Whiskey makers there I will tell you you. Having spent thirty years down the LYNCHBURG and seeing the way they make their whiskey the old time way and how they follow Jack Daniels Way. It's it's so personal to them to learn more about Jack. Daniel's Tennessee whiskey Goto Jack Daniels dot com please drink responsibly. It's new music Friday from all songs things considered. I'm Robyn Hilton. I'm here with an powers Stephen Thompson and we're doing a quick run through the best new albums out on November fifteenth. We start the second half of our show off with Bonnie Prince Billy in his latest. I made a place where I have Why go waterbed and something come through? The Sky is dark them bones begin to shame. The streets of town are empty. There's no one left concerned concern. That's all there in the Tambora. Dang close my eyes. I find their areas have to Something Bonnie Prince Billy the albums. Yes I made a place. The song is dream awhile. Such beautiful cut We just had Joan Shelley and guitarist Nathan Salzburg on all songs considered earlier this week and they talked about how they actually played on this album with Bonnie Prince. Billy and now it's out. It's his first collection of new songs in eight years. This is a really peaceful lovely lovely collection partly inspired by his his marriage and impending fatherhood and partly inspired apparently by Hawaii of all places. I I mean Will Oldham is a Kentucky in and I never thought of him in terms of Hawaii before but his mother actually was born in in Hawaii so he says that's an influence and I can kind of hear it man. You know. We're always looking for something to slow the blood. We're always looking for something to soothe. It's three PM of anxiety in modern life and this record I made a place Makes a place for you to do that. Bonnie Prince Billy is the artist is new album is I made a place. Let's go next to the singer. Odessa Odessa has any record called. All things depends on swings story L.. Victim seeing things that I need to Yeah it's such a satisfying drop on this. This is still drop Desa. ECE Odessa's the singer and the album is all things. This is the title. Cut All things a singer from California. She's on a real high when she put out her debut record in Twenty fifteen eighteen had songs that were featured very prominently in popular TV shows and commercials. She racked up millions of streams signed with a major label and Vinh everything just sort of fell apart. Yeah Odessa not to be confused with Desa who talked about last week not to be confused with Odeta the Great Folks Oddo Desa. The electronic duo remember them with Z.. Yeah this is actually very difficult name to search for it so desa uh she She used to record with Edward Sharpe in the magnetic zero. She's been rattling around for a few years. And as you said Robin she found herself sort of burned out and broke. DOC and in a Rut and needing a jolt and so she retreated first to the mountains then to Minneapolis then to Nashville requiring reset set after reset after reset where she recorded her music and all these different places she also recorded some in Austin. She finally sat down with Pat Sansone from from wilco. Who helped her carve-out finished record from all those places and all those parts and as you can hear you know it's a sound that's both lush and intimate it with those traces of Dub reggae on it and it all comes together to form this very soothing? Sound Odessa's the singer. Her album is called called all things. Let's go next to Gosh. A really beautiful and heartbreaking record from. Mary Lambert the singer Mary Lambert. She's got a new record called grief creature fan finally understand they're saying in about The harpies shooting this dis seasonal. He comes saying enough to same Phrases Ken Dope when the sea over face. You've got me hooked on it it Colmey Hook mcdaniel able ride. gummy hooked on your love. It then you ever ride I. This is Mary Lambert. The album is called grief creature in the song is called. Write you a song long. It's one of the most upbeat songs on the album She is best known to some as the person who saying the hook on Michael. Moore's song same same love and as relatively upbeat up tempo. The song we played is You don't call a record grief creature without including a moments like this one that that I wanNA play. This is a song called me. Museum begins with the about a minute. Long string piece before Mary Lambert comes in with this really powerful spoken word part. My mother found a rabid dog and wanted to hug. It wanted to give it all her glorious honey love of wanted to bay children in a two parent household. But the dog didn't want kids. The Dog ugh would scream it in the hallway. Four him reminding us as often as possible the sheer art of it. How the monster could panic into my body? Sometimes I still here in the chambers of my heart the way some glorious painting stay with view I am. Museum must be museum when I was seven. The dog told me I was going to be a slut. No one came over to our house to play the dog. Walk me me right. I will flush the bathroom toilet seventy five times. I would have remembered to flush the toilet but I started blacking out around then forgetting basic nick. Things started praying. That Oprah would save us all I took snapshots with my memory camera hoping there will be justice for this kind of psycho warfare warfare. It's really hard to bring this when down. Interrupt the story but she goes on to talk about how you know she. She's emotionally abused for for forgetting things as a kid. And how when you are anxious as a child how impossible it is to form complete thoughts and just do basic things in remember where you left your socks for example such an incredibly powerful powerful song and there are others just like it on this. We talk a lot on on the show about records that follow some period of difficulty. This record was five years in the in the making. And she's she says it followed a break-up a house fire uh-huh bi-polar episode and lots and lots of therapy and this record processing and in an enormous amount of pain and as you here in the songs that were playing yes it's processing an enormous amount of pain. It's called grief creature it has also so beautiful. Yeah Grief Creature is the name of the record from the Zinger Mary Lambert. Let's go next to Joe Henry A- One of my favorite artists. Joe Henry has a new record called the Gospel. According to water it's not left in these wall. The hallowed draft uh long ago of spirits Spirits flow just like that one I called mile a this new new around and its army marches. Trey and bomb ride ride through this that one I call. This is Joe Joe Henry. His new album is the gospel. According to water the song is the opening cut. It's called famine walk and And I know that your your big Joe Henry Fan too in. This is a really special album from him. This album was created while he dealt with a cancer diagnosis. I'm really happy to say he's in remission now now but the songs came to him beyond the midnight hour in you know in the four. Am Our he describes his songwriting processes awakening in writing these songs unexpectedly and they have the quality of of secular prayers or hymns always as always extremely streamed poetic telling powerful stories but rendered very simply and like so many albums. We're listening to. This is an album that will will help W. through because it unsparingly describes the experience of touching mortality. His courage gives us the songs. And it's it's just a gift I just have. I have to thank him. I think Joe Henry is one of our great American songwriters and I'm so happy to have this from him. The Gospel according to water From Joe Henry. We still have one more more album that we WANNA play for this week's new music Friday but there are a handful of other notable releases That we should mention more than a handful. Starting with the singer Fran She has a new album called a private picture. We had her on. All songs considered an late September. We played the song called company. Really love this record of private picture from Fran. There's this spanned. I've just discovered called ice cream. That has a record called fed up really wonderful gnarled. Dark synth pop record and Juliana Hatfield has a collection of cover cover songs all by the police. It's Juliana Hatfield sings the police. I was excited to see a new record from one of my favorite bands. Tender sticks also Sam Abandon the fascinating purveyor of of experimental folk music has an ep out called fatal flower. Garden Molly Molly. Burch a vocalist. I absolutely love and I think is very underrated. has a Christmas album out just called the molly Christmas album well and we haven't even talked to a couple of really big ones. I mean there's a new. Dj Shadow record called pathetic age. There's a new celine dion of I in a while called courage. Several of my favorite low key singer songwriters have new albums. Maria Taylor put out a self titled Record Actually earlier this week She's one half of Azure. Ray It's lovely Jenny. Owen youngs things a very successful songwriter and podcast but also a terrific singer songwriter. She has a new EP called night shift and finally one of those wonderful head filling ambient orchestral instrumental groups hammock a great goto instrumental band for me. Their new album is called CELENIA. Yeah that Hammock is really really gorgeous. If I weren't playing this last one that we're GONNA feature I would definitely be playing the Hammock all that music out now on November fifteenth. Along with this last one that we WANNA play. It comes from been Juapur Louis Yard. It's called Silva in your home Uh this has been wa Apu Yard. The album is called silver. And the song we're listening to is called raise to our as ee Too So hey robin before we get into this album I I just have a question about this dude like Ben Wa. Boulevard is a pseudonym like yeah that sounds like just his his personal first name first and last name but actually He's a multi instrumentalist. He's not from Francis from Michigan He's otherwise known as Tom. Melik this is the the name that he writes and records under he largely makes ambient music. But it's always a little fractured like we were kind of hearing on that song. You know like it's made on these machines that are held together with masking tape and wants a bubblegum this album Silva is divided into four movements solitude. Fire seed and thrive It's very much an album about moods and in textures and feelings rather than like a specific narrative and there are some vocals on this album. What do you think about the vocals rabbit? Yeah let's hear a bit of one. This one's a song called Keep uh-huh I think. His voice really fits perfectly with the sort of cracked indelicate sounds of his music. Yeah it's like ambient vocalizing which is an interesting in concept. This is a week of deeply reflective in some cases very sad music and beautiful music beautiful. Yeah Been Waku. Yard is the artist artist and his record is called Sylvan. And that'll do it for this week's new music Friday. Thanks our pleasure and Stephen X.. Robin if you WanNa hear full versions of the songs that that we featured on this episode and a whole bunch of other new music out this week we've got expanded new music Friday playlists and both spotify and apple music. Just open one of those APPs and search for NPR music you can also listen on our website at NPR dot org slash all songs sign up for our newsletter to keep the latest from NPR music. Music you'll find that at N._p._R.. Dot Org slash music newsletter and for N._P._R.. Music I'm Robyn Hilton. Be well have a great weekend and treat yourself to lots of music.

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Episode 3: Sing Me a Song, Mr. Piano Lord

The Game is Afoot!

2:00:50 hr | Last month

Episode 3: Sing Me a Song, Mr. Piano Lord

"Previously on the game is foot. At least it's not ause this time. But there's a forest witch and herbalist and a local Lord who we aren't sure whether we can trust Oh and a Fox I failed to make friends with. And another person who looks exactly like the local Lord tied up in a piano. Honestly I have no idea what's going on Howdy Ho they're teenagers, my name. Is Ryan. Her pronouns and I am your dungeon master. mads. Mads, I play arc. My pronouns are they them but arcs are he his? Quill Hi my name is quill. My pronouns are they then I play Jack Who's pronouns? Are He him dory through so much going on. Your name, your pronouns, your characters, your characters pronouns Dorey. Could. Down my characters eating who also uses the same. Excellent. And allie. Allie. Use them and I play Sam who is a potato? So prefers to be referred to such. I. Love Him. Can I get that potato conjugation? Yeah. Potato Potato. Sometimes he he likes to go by TATER TOT but. Okay. I'm sorry. You're. Goes By. But he is in fact, a potato. Hesitation because the moment said that sometimes he prefers tater tot I could instantly see his little sister calling him Tater tot in my head when he just won't get up for something valid Samya Damn Tater tot come on I need your help. But. That is so nice. Santa's not home with Alex Right now sam is with the rest of you. Everyone is currently in Lord Barrett's house including Charlotte's just putting that out there. Last, we left off the four of you with no help from Charlotte. We're trying to figure out what to do if somebody's plate was poisoned dinner and so far your plant is let Sam eat at first and see if he falls over. That was SAM's proposal. I don't think any of the rest of US actually agreed to that. You may continue your conversation if you would like or we can move on to dinner and just see how that plan goes. I'm just saying I probably way the most out of all of you have to put so much stuff in my food for it to be as I recall, Soom edens suggestion was for. Them to stagger who win so that they'd have chance to observe if something happened. And Sam was the Guinea. Pig. Yes I mean come up with anything better. I Guess Boat Boys. Plan is a sacrificial boat boy. Jack can't think of anything better to it's just even with the staggering plan. Well, my concern is even if we do stagger that just means we're GONNA watch each other dropout one by one by one by one, and there's going to be nobody to meet up with Piano Lord barracks in the basement. Pretends to eat their food. That would be how dare you. That would be the logical conclusion. Now wouldn't it? Which one of us is the best debt like you know formats? Eat Merck raises his hand. I guess arcus to. Taking a note from salmon raising his hand like me. We appreciate your sacrifice art I mean. My by my sacrifice of specifically not doing the thing that endangers my me. Okay I guess. Okay. So you have landed on a decision and just in time because one of the servants comes and knocks on. Well First Sam's door, but no one's Sam's room and then jacks door but no was in Jack's room. And then our door no. ARC's so finally ended up at Edens Room because you all are in the same room and knocks on Edens. Door. Who is it? Yes. Ma'am. I was just coming to tell you that dinner is ready I can lead you to the dining room she. She looks at everybody like you ready for this. Ark Noah. Oh, and we do also have food set aside for your construct That's okay. Charlotte already eight Oh which would you rather leave her in your room then? Ma'am Ma'am this this little construct of ours. He's very well, she's a very. Close companion of my friend here and I think she'd feel more comfortable if she accompany us to dinner that would be all right with you. Of course, I don't see a reason why not this way to the dining room and move and every one and to the dining room I sure like spying on all of you. You missed dramatic on boxing I did of my. My. Wondrous new dice site. For you. You just buying dice. No eight came with the candle. Would it be a problem if we were just buying? I have upon Cajun considered finding A. Ton of dice. Just. Stay out of this just feel. I feel a little bit cheated on when I have only one set of dice and Odori honey I'm feel behind is all I will. I'll share my dice with you when we are able to record in person don't. When? When we are no longer in an apocalypse hell, scape? Hi. It's May. Twenty Twenty we think should just all like go on an actual field trip rather than an unexpected field trip to a game shop and then dory can buy more dice dice H. H. Yes. Yes Alley. Yes. Guardian Games both we can do both why not both every store every game closest goes hit them all up since we're already distracted. This is my shoe d twelve. Listeners cannot see this, but it is a clear detail with a Tinier. Twelve inside of it. It's Very swanky. Certainly know it also. Because the middle one doesn't roll very well because it stuck inside the big one. But it's fun. It's fun to say, I, have is super cool. Just need to get a bigger one. Big. Building on top of this d twelve and all of a sudden I have forty twelve in case within each other. Anyway back on track. I can focus just as well as anyone else. MAS- laughter is train will like sorry. So you are all lead in to the dining room jack serving is moved to one space away from Eden. So that Charlotte sit next to Eden. So on one side of the table is Jack Charlotte Eden on the other side of the table is Sam arc and at the head of the table is a Lord Barrett which one you haven't been keeping an eye on him. So I guess you don't really know. Okay. But the one that was trapped in the piano said he was going to hide in the cellar and he would have absolutely no reason to not do that. We'll see so great also, I would like to note for those of. Our listeners who need like visual to make things like table settings make sense. This does indeed mean that the character whose volunteered to pretend to eat the food and not eat the food is sitting the closest to the Lord. Yes I did do that. Great. But you are all led to your seats. I don't remember the voice I had for Lord Barrett. It was generic man voice. I have a lot of voices. You kind of got the short end of the stick when it comes to my deming skills. Loud. Your beautiful where I have shortcomings and voice acting is one of those shortcomings. In any case you all sit the servant is waiting in one of the corners of the dining room. In case any of you have any requests. And Lord Barrett at the ahead of the table sitting between eaten arc says. Yes. My guests I believe you find that. Your bedrooms would be comfortable enough for your stay. At say look. dreamily comfortable my Lord thank you. Oh, good I'm certainly glad to hear it i. hope that everything on the table is to your liking and everything on the table looks amazing. You've got roast meat you've got steamed vegetables, mashed potatoes, roles some gelatinous thing you're not entirely sure what it is, but it must be fancy though all sorts of foods Aspect No. You also each have in front of you a soup course to start and Lord Barrett. Now that he has made sure that you are all comfortably housed in your rooms starts eating his soup. I'm going to. Also. Partake in this soup dish. It is issues butternut squash soup congratulations. I'm definitely into it. I like how you guys plan was arc pretend to eat, and then everybody digs in. This is fine. Yeah He. He's like, I, mean. It's very hard to pretend to eat soup. But he? Just, let it go down. You're just get a spoon with a whole like. Yeah I mean, he's like that it'd be great if I had one of those tone. So he's just GonNa do his best to like. I don't know like stir it and not get very much on his spoon and pretend to eat. Okay. Roll me a performance Cheche. Can I know? Not really way for you to help him. On where the butts is my document with my oh, my Lord Alli. Natural rules. Twenty. Bothered a role then I can pretend to eat anything apparently. Yes. So you are good right now. So. ARC pretends to eat the soup. Everyone else is just eating the soup I guess. Yup. Like we said we would. You did not say that you said, we eat the I mean. I just said I. DIG it. I was the sacrificial lamb here in any case everyone seems fine. No one notices an off taste. Charlotte starts reaching for eating soup like I want some. Would I have a butter cookie pocket just saying I would not imagine that you don't at this point always packing butter cookies. I'm just GONNA pulled out of pocket reach across and. Charlotte accepts the butter cookie is placated distracted Sam. Do me a favor. Please roll a D twenty and whatever result you get the number of butter cookies you have left. Oh, what am I wrote a one? To conserve your butter cookies then. You're. Crying. That went off matric. No goddamn. It's down the trade. Know what what you get. I rolled. Cookies left. That's better than I do. But that is actually. The one that you gave to Charlotte. So it's not like the one you gave to Charlotte takes from the to you. Have you have two more butter cookies? Okay. Okay. So the soup course is finished the serpent in the corner starts clearing her way the soup course so that you all can partake in the main course as people are filling up their plates Lord Barrett. Says, where did you say you were from again? Orlando Saxet. Axes. That's what you said. Ark Just looks at Jack like what did you say don't remember. I'm not GonNa make anybody rewrote deception for that because he bought the lie the first time and he has no reason to be suspicious now. But he's just making small talk. If you would also like to make small talk, you are welcome to do so. Would you like to small talk with the person may or may not be at the actual Lord Barrett Yeah I. Feel like we should. We might be able to bump the story along. The bump along whether you help it or not don't worry about that. That was menacing. I feel like that kind of required for DM's. Still Menacing. So. So Lord, bear it. I know we mentioned we got turned around. We were traveling through the woods. Those are some particularly verdant ancient. Hard Wow It's true that the forest has been there quite longer than I have. Wow. God. What do you ask you ask someone right? If we could if we had people. Should. By laughing. So, moving forward if you were to expand the village, how would you make sure that the forces you know still sustainable because I mean? The forest in and of itself is valuable valuable resource I would imagine. Of. Course the is actually quite vast we only intend to clear cut about Two or three acres into it in order to add more room for housing and things like that if we don't. Cut into the forest. Then we're going to have a population problem worse than what we have now and it will inhibit people to get medical care or the. Materials they need to do their work. It's quite a pressing issue actually. Got that impression passing through the village There's no other direction you could expand to other than cutting into the woods. Unfortunately. I can only expand in an area that's within my jurisdiction as the lower of this. You go much farther in the other directions I'm putting into the territory of other Lords Oh, I see. You seem to know a lot about this. We talked to some of the villagers as we came into town trying to figure out where we are in relation to our home you understand well. It has been a topic of conversation in town I. DO assure you. I'm trying to do as little damage as possible while still getting the village, the space they need has anyone spoken out against the plan to patent to the forest. There have been some Willa particularly as against it although the alterations to the fourth I intend to make don't come into her particular home. But. With anything political, there's going to be disagreement. See, se, you said you came through the forest. unfortunately eaten had a dip in the river. Oh, well, I'm glad to see. You were able to dry off. I could've offer you are facilities here. The back houses in town were lovely. I'm glad to hear it. We take a lot of pride in them. Eden is very focused on like keeping her eye on Charlotte. Arc. Why don't you roll me deception for pretending to eat. Let's see. I have proficiency in that so That always helps seventeen. Oh. Yeah you beat you beat this guy. Thank God He also specifically like didn't take very much. To make it easier to like then cut up what was on his pleat to push it around to make it look like he was eating. Are you just pushing it around? I mean he has also miming eating it. Not actually eating it. You could push it on my. Hold like what he's not doing. My God. The reason I'm asking is like, are you hiding under a Napkin or are you putting it somewhere? That's not your plate. I don't. I don't think he's doing a lot of that maybe with a couple of things that he can't really get away with. But. He he would be hiding. In a Napkin if Sort of like bear it happens to look over at him. When he is trying to mime eating he would he would figure a way to get it. So we're only a slight of hand then. Good. My Stat on that is much better. I say and then Rolla to. That's okay. He wrote a one. With proficiency and my stat, it's it's a seven. Yeah. No, he rolled a one. Thank God. Thank you very much. Enjoying it and good. Excellent. Now things that your companions who were not really eating are just kind of picky. He says when you came through the forest, did you happen to see a a small fox? No can't say that we did. Roll. Up For me. Twenty two during that will do it Sam. I would like you to roll a wisdom saving throw for me please and if you don't beat it I've got a thing that I'm not telling you but go ahead and roll that save for me. Okay. Wisdom. Oh yes. The the boat boys wisdom I'm sure it's very good. Hey, I have a cheesy. Okay good to know. Oh dear. No No. The rest of the dinner. Passes without really much of an issue unless anybody else would like to ask questions of Lord Barrett. nope. No. Okay. There is a lavish desert of a berries and cream type pie. ORCAS now. So angry. He's a rich dude. He's GonNa. Give you a good dinner. In any case. You. Have this delicious pie or I guess you don't. And Lord Barrett says if you'll excuse me, I do have a little bit more business to attend to you before I retire for the evening I'm sure that Knicks will happily show you back to your bed chambers and the servant in the corner just kind of nuts like, yeah I can do that and so back to your bed chambers you are lead. Are you all going to a whole up edens again to talk some more or you go into bed? I imagine we'd talk to each other. Yeah. Yeah, we need to contact so thought are. I also thought our original plan was we're all going to sleep yeah. Oh, that's right. You did say that I forgot. Yeah. Stick you. All defensible. Edens Room then Easier to see if someone's turning purple. Okay So if you would like to debrief about that dinner, you can do so now. Sam. Yeah that was I. I don't feel. Weird or anything it tasted fine. Gelatin stuff was kind of scary. Reminded me of something my aunt made one year. Thanks Sam. Go ahead. And thing perception for me. This going to be a perfect. You just beat it is nothing wrong with that food everything was fine. hoops. Are Class into one of the bags and eats a ration. 'cause they found rations that will house. Yeah. You found twelve rations that willows house. Oh, well in that case. He might just not eat. Butter cookies. No. Thank you. You can eat the ration. We all need to be at our best and we got to eat and you didn't. Okay. He he like when when Eden says that he like his expression. Physically changes you can. You can see him like concede just from look on his face is actually quite agree. And he does eater ration. So now we have eleven rations. The rations are actually quite hardy so you're good to go. Good. Eaten good eaten indeed there. Anything else. You would like to discuss before bed. How long do you think we should wait before trying to see one or more of us can get down to the cellar to meet up with Piano War Barrett. Lured Fair Just like that we're calling him that no, it's good. It's really good I mean, what what else are we going to calm the one the one that was in the piano, the pianist Lord. Piano. He's the piano Lord Anyway sing us a song. You're the piano. Man. Stuck in your piano tonight. Anyway. I'm leaving. Please do. I mean I I think arc would just. Well. We specifically said that we should wait until the activity in the kitchen is hopefully. Lower than it was around dinnertime. I. Assume they're going to have to clean up. Should we? Take a nap. Could we? Bought, word my accent go. Could all? Error for four southern accent not fast. Are. Suppose we. Could always. Do Shapes. That's probably the best. SMART I can take whatever latest one there is I'm used to staying up or being up at weird hours. Ghost. Come out in the middle of the night you know. The. Same for me I also. Find with sleeping weird hours so. All right. I. Don't. mind. Admitting that I'm a bit of an early riser and early to bed depending on on my schoolwork and. Whether or not Morgan sage. have. Anything going on so. Take the first watch if you want to sleep Jack. So are we so sir? Jack has last shift because it will be early morning or wait when window we need to go down. You haven't decided yet. Right Well, my next question is, are we going to do like one person sleeps or are we going to have like one person week in the others sleet? I think it would probably be most efficient to have one person awake and have the other people sleep. So Yeah. I. Do think ARC would also volunteer to try to get down into the cellar. With. One person possibly going with him because he this is this is this thing. This is what he does. Right. Even though Jack teased him about. You know. This is this is your department as the Piano Lord out the window It's true. It is his department. Okay so have shacks. For intake, the third or Fourth Watch. Yes Jack is GonNa Sleep. It sounds like Sam is taking the I watch So I think arc would just probably because they have also a spent some spent some time in abandoned buildings together already I think he would ask Eden. Would you like to try to get into the cellar with? Absolutely I would. All right. All right. So who's taking I? Watch I'm sorry Sam Sam. Stanwick. Okay. So Sam you're taking I watch and everyone else is asleep correct. Or trying yeah. Okay. How long has a watch? You should figure that out together. Do we WANNA do one hour or two hours. To so you guys at least get some sleep. Okay. That's that's at least one room cycle. I'd say at least two because we're probably going to want it to be like middle night to try to get into the. Into, the cellar What sees what season? Do we think it is see. Here's the thing. You're all from Texas. Yeah. But like we walked through a forest and assuming that there are deciduous trees. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense but even. When I'm saying is that in Texas? The deciduous trees are still mostly GonNa be green because it never gets cold ever but also from the Pacific northwest and eating group mostly in Germany. About eating actually like she was yeah, lived in Germany awhile. Okay. Cool It's probably about late spring ash. Okay. So we'd have to. We'd actually probably have to sleep for. Depending on when dinner was probably two and a half three hours before we. We'll say dinner was at about a five o'clock hour. Okay. Well, it'll be much longer than that than we probably shouldn't be out there until after midnight up the y'all. Okay. Well, if you guys want to extend it, we could do like three hours three hour watches you mean. Yeah three hour shifts. Yeah ARC would volunteer to take the second a watch so that he is awake for a little while before he has to try to break into a seller. And he he? Volunteers to week Eden a little bit before they need to go. Okay. Do you all have a plan yet? You how? Yet Hey. So San House I watch. Eden. I was going to try to figure out how to do a German accent to do this part. But I forgot. So we're GONNA move on. And you have a dream. Okay. In it, you cannot speak. But you're sitting at a table with your grandmother. And she's holding your hand. And she looks much younger than you ever really knew her to look. And her ears are a little bit pointed but they're kind of forked at the end. and. You can't really recall where you might have seen that ear shape before. But but she's Pat in your hand. And she says, oh, my sweet girl. This is only happening because the four of you were so close. And it Will keep happening until the world's have decided they've had their way with you. We're fortunate that. Sam, sister is not the same. Grade as Jack Siblings or. It might have been all of you. Be Strong for those boys eaten. And the dream fades away. Sam, I would like you to roll a perception check. Yes. That is going to be a eighteen. Okay, hang. With that eighteen. You may notice that I placed you on the wall where the staircase if I had bothered to create another floor would be. So. You hear. A Lord Barrett talking with one of the servants. And he says. I'm going to be going out for a while I'm sure you can take care of things while I'm gone. And the survey response with at this time my Lord, you usually say home in the evenings. In case there's a complaint that you need to address. I won't be long. And Lord Barrett leaves the mansion. or at least one of them does and that's all that really happens during your shift. How how deep into my shifted that? We'll see about halfway. Halfway. Okay Crap. He. Doesn't want to wake up the other people he doesn't have. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's GonNa. He's GonNa move in front of the door. In front of he's GonNa, move. Up with his back up against the door. Well, that's close. I'm going to get you. That's okay. So I'm going yeah I'M GONNA. Have my back up against the door and I think he's GonNa, spend the rest of his watch like that. Case somebody opens it. It's going to hit him before it hits before it's able to open. Okay. Sounds good nobody tries to open the door for the rest of your shift. The rest of your shift actually goes by without any real incident you just heard that conversation on the other side of the wall. Cool very cool. And then you're shifted over. Cool. Yeah Sam's going to kneel down and just kind of touch arm and be like hey. Shop next to. Uh. Sorry I'm character. He is immediately very awake. It almost seems like he's hyper aware and then he relaxes when he realizes that it Sam any kind of nods and sits up and asks in a whisper did anything happen? I'm GonNa Tell Arc about blurred Barrett leaving Minnesota. It was about halfway my ship shift but I wanted them to get some sleep. What time is it about? So if it was dinner dinner was about five will say dinner took about an hour. So it's now nine o'clock. I think. He. He just he just looks very thoughtful for a moment. And then. He looks at Sam and says. If. He's gone. It's fully dark. Do you think we should move up? Trying to get into the cellar. He he did tell one of the people to keep an eye on the place. Do you. Do you think you would need cover do you guys think besides the it being you would need some sort of distraction or do you need me Jack in Charlotte to stay here? I think you inject Charlotte staying here is probably Best. But if one of the Lord Barrett's is out of the house, this might be this might be the best time. Okay I'm GonNa Wake Eden. And he wakes Eden. And she kinda just looks at him. and. There's like no recognition. Charlotte does gentle catering and starts kind of putting your bags out of your face eaten and I think she does the sometimes when you're having a hard time waking up for school I had the weirdest dream. Yeah. I'm going to take care of you boys so I I don't want you to worry. And she just stares at she's not there yet. That's so cute. Arc Arc smiles at her and it is the single like most genuine smile you've ever seen on his face it's. Small and soft. And he says, we know in. And then and then she's awake. She has a morning person. She's like an all time. person it just. So sudden out of REM sleep she's like why? Sam Heard one of the Lord Barrett's leave about halfway through his shift and hasn't heard him come back. So it's earlier than we had said, but we figure this might be our best chance. I I. Agree we should. We should go should. We let the other sleep burr tell them what we're doing. Well. Sam knows and. He. Sam Do you WanNa let Jack Sleep a little more. Wake him up in a few. I'll take another. I've done all nineteen sessions with Keelan I'm good. All right. So the two of you are going to go find the seller. Okay do either of you know how to get to the kitchen don't think any of the staff members told you how Okay so Arc. would. Because they this is the piano pigging it on the map. Yes, and if I remember correctly. Lord Barrett went out a window on this wall correct and said that he was going to go around the House and get into a window somewhere in this general area to get into the cellar now bad. And that is what our members. Okay. Would you paying an guestimation for me where you think the kitchen is and if you are off, I will instead allow you to roll intelligence saving throw to see if you can't figure it out. Yeah I agree. Yeah. You can make that conjecture pretty easily in a house like this at the time period that. kind of modeled after the kitchen won't be fairly close to the dining room. Just make sure that things they hot when they're served. Definitely and to argue the point Eden was facing those doors when seated in the dining room. So even. Even if Even though ARC is uncertain Between the two of them, they would be able to figure out that it's somewhere in this quadrant of the house. Perfect. Yeah. That works for me. Now I, have this Laura Barrett outside the house because I didn't make a seller but. Regulations you can see more of the house now as we. All right. So arc in Eden, your plan is to go do this thing eaten? Are you going to try to convince Charlotte to stay put? I think this time she's going to have her stay put. Okay She do we not all have little tens of cookies. You know what you are. Right. You did I'll get little tens of cookies from. The question is, did you bring those tens of cookies to the diner? If it was in her bag it's in on her person. That's fair. Did Not bring his but Eden. Jack did not. Okay. Eaten have you eaten any of those cookies? I don't believe I did no. I ain't going to check. If. I wrote it now. Okay. We'll. Also it was Saturday. It was Saturday. The haunted house and it was Tuesday when we met up at the diner. So I would I would hazard a guess that she would have had a few. Yeah. Old. Tin Is twenty four cookies. And I'm GonNa roll a decent many you've eaten. Okay. You've eaten five of the twenty four. So you have nineteen left Sweden. Are there twenty four in this. I didn't know you were basing after actual ten. Please tell me how many are in the actual ten? That shortbread life though. Don't tempt me already want applebee's. I. Love Applebee's maple butter blondie Aaron here. But these are the brand in the types of cookies he likes so. Does it have a serving suggestion on the nutrition. ooh, that's a good way to look. For his. May servings. Containers really weird. You're good. It's not actually that important. We roll twenty four or we can be accurate. It doesn't matter to me. Yeah, yeah I was just curious of this that there were. Let's go with the ten has twenty four. Originally, you've eaten five Eden. So now you have a total of nineteen. Okay. So as you start to leave the room, Charlotte is interested in kind of going after you a little bit. I'M GONNA Monkey. Cuddle. Her Oh she enjoys these cuddles and then climbs up on your shoulders like going somewhere right I'm just GonNa pay the she eaton eaton reaches for tenant cookies. And Hands like two of them. To Sam. To bribe her with. So you're leading. Sam. Bradford bribing her yourself. No because she's already with Sam. So she wants to stay with Sam okay. some why don't you roll animal handling for me and you can go ahead and take advantage on that because Charlotte does not really know where they're going and therefore is not super interested. I rolled. Charlotte stays with the Boys Arken Eden you get to vacate okay and then, and then she hands. Arc to cookies as well, 'cause He didn't get dessert. That's very sweet. All right. So You are heading to the kitchen he looks confused and then smiles and just marches. Here's the thing I do think because it would probably be safer to go around the outside I do think he's going to at least listen at this door. Okay. Are you sneaking to the door or you? Yes. No, he's GonNa be sneaky. The whole time roll me stealth. please. Here we go. Right about now. Here. We go. Brew. That is an unnatural or a dirty twenty. Okay. So you listen to the door, it sounds like there are a couple of people in here who are cleaning up. But they have not appear to notice you. He turns to Eden and shakes his head and mimes the. Throat cutting motion universal motion of we can't go in there. Would start to. Head down the hallway back towards the dining room. Okay. Arche said that he was sneaking the whole time eaten. Are you also sneaking? She's going to copy whatever he does. Okay. I need you both to roll me another stealth check. I got a nine. Okay. Eden would you get? Five. Oh. Boy. Well this servant here got a fourteen and doesn't have any bonuses. So she notices she comes over and says. Hello. I thought. You had gone to bed for the evening. Can I help you? I'm so sorry I I just. I can't sleep in. Arc here was going to help me going to walk. So I wouldn't. Does she notice Arthur are just yes you're both ex each other. And you both failed. Couldn't sleep and I I'm feeling restless. So I was GonNa we were going on a walk. We just didn't. WanNa disturb anybody. Oh, of course. Well, if you'd like to know what I do when I try to go to sleep and he has like this conspiratorial look in her eyes goodness. There's ever any extra dessert I go and sneak just a little bit of it just for sweet dreams. Eden can't help but grin at her. That's so cute. I made the abrupt decision that she was going to be adorable and there's nothing and no one who could stop me. I approve this decision. But. Yes. She says the thing, the sweet dreams and then she points towards the dining room. If you go through the dining room and to one of the doors just past the dining table, you'll find the kitchen and the seller is on the door to your right and I believe there are still some of that desert and there. You're an angel. Thank you so much of course, and if you wish we can have a hot bath repaired for you in the morning. That I might have to take you up on that. Absolutely you to have a wonderful night you. And she goes back to whatever she was doing. I you continue on your journey ORC gives Eden. The look that very clearly communicates I cannot believe. Yeah Yeah Shrinks like. He heads on end just like okay. Well, she told US exactly where we wanted to go so. Okay. So in a move you both outside of the mansion, but it's the seller we're going to say as the seller. Alright. So you make your way down into the cellar as promised. The desert is wrapped with beeswax cloth. Right next to arc when you enter. And then who you presumed to be piano Lord is standing there and he perks up when you approach and says. Is He gone? It seems he left earlier. We're not quite sure when he'll be back. What kind of assurance can you give us that you are the real Lord Barrett well, I don't suppose you know any town Trivia do not much. Ask. Me a question I suppose, and we'll see if I can answer it the person who Actually. What's your opinion on urban development? Sorry copy off guard. I was very good. Unfortunately. We are going to have to build into the forest for the simple fact that our town is growing. and. Even more unfortunately can't go in any direction other than the forest. I'm hoping to only take an acre or to. This displeases her. See. This is the thing is that he's a arc is trying to come up with something that. because. Ostensibly. If this is the real lord he's going to know everything about the town. Absolutely. But whoever was at dinner with them? Also knows for example. That will is the one who opposes all of this and he also mentioned knowing about the Fox he didn't. He didn't mention the Fox's name. But. He mentioned about the Fox. So I think arc would look at him and say who is the detract or who is the loudest detractors. Of the plan. I. Suppose that would be Willa we did get an to a rather unfortunate argument about it. We both raised our voices. I'm not proud of it and who would you say is closest to Willa. That's no secret it's Bianca. They like to think we don't know that they're lovers, but they certainly are. A. Cure for so queer representation. PODCASTS. Don't worry I've tried to stop this with a lot of it. He's trying to figure out how to be like and essentially, and what's the Fox's name but. I mean you could just say it. And what does the Fox say? What is the boxes name? Can't, even buddy. Anyway And what does living with anybody? Perfect. no not that I'm aware o-of I know that Bianca goes there from time to time and. Most of Bianca's herbs come from Willa but I don't believe they've moved in together. Unless they've done it since I've been putting the piano how long ago was that? Unfortunately, a couple of weeks. How how? Survive. Feeding you. Yes. Although I I will say probably lost a few pounds and he says, he pats stomach. Who who is he? Exactly? Does, the thing I don't know. He looks just like you. As unsettling isn't it? Did you see my my baby? You'RE CHARLOTTE. Did you see her I don't think I Did. Although when I first saw, you miss you slam the piano hop in my face. So I didn't have much time to see anything. My apologies he was about to come into the room. I certainly understand that predicament but I did not get the opportunity to see much of anything and. When I was released, it was two fellows you. Of course, he says gesturing to arc and someone else. What is your opinion on constructs I don't believe I've met one. I'm sorry. How is that related to trying to prove who I am? Because when we talk to. The other one. When he saw Charlotte, he seemed rather intrigued and knew what she was. No I've I've never met one. As far as I'm concerned. Creating, a construct is unethical process, but that is no fault of the constructs. Is it possible that he's one I wouldn't. Think so. Now. He looks confused. My is suggested in sight track. Cooler you just perishing I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean if y'all WANNA real insight. Rollet. ARC has been trying to size him up this whole time. That sounds like A. site. Oh i. got an actual twenty before, but he does have some really philosophical thoughts about the subject. Okay. Ten. Yeah. You're not quite sure. knows. This guy's telling the truth orcas just like I believe in. Now. What are we going to do? Apparently he left the mansion about an hour and a half ago. And left it in. To be watched over by the servants but. That's all we know if that's the case, perhaps we can go back inside and have my servants apprised of the situation. And at that time, there is a knock at the front door. Oh no or would. Turn in the direction of the sound and then say. We, leave your stuff to you. All right. So, there's the knock on the door Lord Barrett the actual leads you out of the kitchen to see what's going on. Just he's about to address the adorable staff member who told you to have desserts for sweet dreams are definitely grab one of those on the way out. It is kind of pie shape. So you basically grabbed a wedge perfect. Okay. This servent goes to answer the door and when the door opens arc and Eden, you see Bianca and the Fox Walter. And before the serving can say, anything the Lord of the Manor says. Bianca I'll I'll admit I wasn't expecting you at a late hour. And Bianca replies it's just terrible. Did you hear Willis Ted? Boom boom. And the to enter the home. Arc Eden I would like both of you to make an insight check for me please. I have a bad feeling prince. Eighteen. Ten. Use. The. Bollore don't know she it. But you to do. That's not Bianca. But it's not. Empire the reason you're able to figure this out is not because you know her in any particular way it's not as though you had a long conversation. However Walter Looks pissed that Fox is upset and squirming and trying to nip. His way out of Bianca's. Arms. Walter. Bianca could I say hi, can I hold him? He's unfortunately a little crabby please just let me try I'm really good with animals. I think. She's about to refuse again. But hold on. Let me look at stuff while I have persuasion. I'm rolling four. And that should Ha- Walter Bites into Bianca's hand hard. and. Arc puts his hand down just like Kinda snaps like mere Walter. Walter goes in between you two Bianca withdraws her hand back, and then I need each of you to make a perception check star do a lot of checks right now. Fifteen. Sixteen. That'll do Her blood is gray honestly at this point arc just goes. Sam. Help. Just just his name just once loud. My Friendships, Census Auditing. Take it. The party becomes reunited fairly quickly. Yes I'm going to wake up Jack and say, Hey, we gotta go some shoots winding. Let me. Okay okay. So, everybody gets down there. Is, is this approximately canonical that the real lord is closer to us than he is to fake Bianca. Correct. ARC would. I. So even Eden also perceived this. That's not okay. Okay. I don't think he's going to say anything right now because he's not like going up to her, but he also doesn't want him close to. All right he readies. That he always has on his person. Perth. Jack Sam I would like to also make perception checks but I'm GonNa ask you to do at disadvantage because you did not see the by it happened. The bite. Okay let's start with this dice. Oh that's GONNA be. Sixteen I rolled fourteen. Okay, both of those will do it. Bianca is holding her hand closer a chest, but it's dripping gray blood this servant approach her and sources say Miss Bianca can I bandage that for you? And? The false bianca turns away from her and it's like, Oh, no, it's all right. It's just a scratch as that is happening are would turn to look at both, Jack and Sam. And just shakes his head no, a little bit but. I. Would say, quietly, this is the real Lord Barrett. Okay. Do a stealth for me. Okay. Everyone to know. That was one that yeah that was a critical failure. That's that is going in jail. That that Hall's sure is Echoey Arc tries to loop you in on this very important information and Bianca's is snap to him. And then this is what you see instead. Oh No oh no. Oh Shit. I knew bad over very bad hint. See what that is very clearly, but it looks grows. Its Morgan here I'm sure you're GONNA WANNA get back to that action lickety-split but real fast. Maybe if I tell you all about my brother Patriot he wouldn't be so mad at me. I could get ungrounded. So. y'All should go to the patriarch. There's a lot of cool stuff there others already two bonus episodes including my brothers and everybody does love my brother and next month is SAM's and everybody loves SAM. A everybody loves SAM. So you should you should do that and. Yeah Help me. So you see A. humanoid creature covered in gray skin This creature does not appear to be wearing any clothing. and. Is it read ahead. No I. Mean Essentially. What Sam know this Sam go ahead and roll in intelligence. And he actually take advantage because if you're dnd experience, I won't do it every time, but I'll do at this time. Yeah. Oh Fuck Ed. This is a doppler Gayer. With out hesitation I'm going to tell the group that's d'appel Ganger. Watch out. Okay. He is going to lunch for Walter but before he gets the chance, let's all roll some initiative. Okay. Fifteen. I want you guys to know that when I was writing out more for Charlotte. When I was writing out my forms, I wrote initiation. Your data's adorable. Where Charlotte's character sheet got so much stuff on screen. L. Veritas. Okay. Sam, what did you get? I got a third cane same. Or your name Sam what's Your modifier? Plus, two and Jack, what's your next modifier plus two? Okay. I'd like you to re role and whoever gets the highest number goes for. Eleven. Thirteen okay. Cool this might be an easier fight than I anticipated. What's our order? So. Walters actually I. A. Tiny. Fox Istan Walter. Walter. Actually changes to. I knew it. I knew. Mass My love what did you know I knew that Walter was not just a Fox? Yeah. It was Kinda you, Kinda. Acheive soon amen is before you. Tales he is addressed very well. He is also holding a long sword. Thank goodness someone house a weapon. There to people here who have weapons it is this a man and arc. Arc. What. Are you have? No Okay I have scrammed cheese. Bag. Yes. You have that bag. I will allow you use as a bludgeoning weapon I. But yes. This Kosuke man change shape before your eyes steps forward and takes a slash. which hits and that will be. For Ten damage. Against the Kids I. Know the kitchen as the one who came. Hit. d'appel Ganger has taken damage right off the bat and then up next is arc. You did tell me that technically speaking. I. Can throw my Swiss army knife. Yes. But. It'll be a disadvantage. Knowing my roles tonight. That's probably not a great idea. It is also canonical that arc does have steel toed boots so if he tried. To rush forward and go for a kick. So, unarmed damage is only one point I know. You can do it. But it's only one hit point. If you're going to get in that range. Anyway you might as well stand with your Swiss army knife. Yeah. I I guess that's what he would do Well. good thing that has okay. So. So it would be a total of seven that's knocking. Archery you moving up on Ganga's left side or right side is the kid's name an redder left-handed. I hadn't. I. Want to be on the side that's not his sword. With left hand I'll put you on the right side. Okay. Thank you. Try to do with cut it doesn't happen does not happen. Eden, you are up next. Let's see I guess I could bludgeon rate but I'd have to get there Yes. You have plenty of squares to get there. Can I Is he grabbed rather focused on keeps an a an arc. Yep Pretty much. So what's the possibility I could get up behind him and use my bag to knock his feet out from under him he's actually up against the wall so You would be a hard hit If I aimed for his knees. So, here's what I'll do if you want to try to do that I'm going to let you roll up but because he has the wall at is back I'm GonNa add three to the class because that's not going to be an easy thing to do. So I have to roll a wet now I'm not telling. Don't worry I'm taking notes. But like is it a strength MoD that I would use? Yes. Eighteen eighteen. You chest. So you get here you go for bludgeoning. Let's treat your bag like a mace, ICU? Yes. So. Romania de eighth or damage. To To US better than none. Did you add your strength bonus to that hit? No Four. K next up is Sam Sam your patriots are. All in spaces directly next to him. So if you're going to get in and do a head, it's going to be diagonally do do I have a clear Goto to try and grapple? As long as either Arthur eaten are willing to share space with you because I'm imagining you're going to have to move from side to side a little bit i. don't see why you can't grapple based on Irks proclivities. Yeah. I think he'd be willing to share a space with SAM. I'm sorry I just had to. Let go. So Sam show me where you want to be. Yes sure. I'm going to. He's going to crouch down in a football position and he's just GONNA haul, ass This Towards, the Stop Gingrich, you know obviously avoiding the other people because he doesn't want to run into a kid with a brick long sword right go ahead and work. For me. It's your time Sam. Plus Four. Come. Good? Ones. I rolled eighteen and I got a plus perfect. He wrote a seventeen and he doesn't have any bonuses. So he tries to contest you does not work you have him grappled. Next up his Jack. Jack is trying to figure out what he can contribute to the situation seeing as it went bananas Real fucking quick I can see that would be a conundrum right But I didn't enroll for Barrett. Butts buts. Or House Charlotte doing. Turns actually after Yours Jack. Shah. is going to move up to be assuming this is what are these scores Legit? No. Okay. Because I. was like, Wow, this is not a lot. Not a lot of movement room, I. Know the art was pretty. So I, took it. I think Jack is going to move to bow their off of the real Lord Barrett's left side. and. He's going to ready his own grapple just in case if. Our d'appel Ganger escapes he will try and. So you already an action yes. To where if he escaped SAM's grapple, you're going to go in there to to grapple that Chris he's GonNa travel his own grapple. Okay I think I follow. Yes. So you're reading an action. It's Charlotte's turn Charlotte. Gets up on the Chandelier. No. And I'm I'm sorry all she's in distress over what's happening my baby. Odier. A. She did not role. Great. Did I, give her a proficiency bonus. I should have we're not gonNA worry about it right now. She didn't roll great. So she. Tries to throw a nice. Pile. No. My main. To try to hit the Doppler Ganger in the face, it doesn't work. And let's see there's four of view directly next to him. Eden. You are one arc you are two, Samuel three, and. Is. For To. Why God? Why? Why God? Why You didn't give her a weapon. So she made with what you had or was she had I'm sorry she made do she may do. Yeah. Yeah. I just blew it. My microphone I'm sorry Allie Ellie. Smacks right in the back of the head. Off. The back of your head. Yeah and next up is Barrett. Barrett actually. Grabs the arm of his servant and takes her further away from the action. Good man. He's actually a good guy but yeah, he takes her further away from the action and that's all they're going to do because Barrett doesn't have any weapons either. the servants move was next So I think the servant is actually going to get even farther away and do something I don't know, and now it is the d'appel Ganger turn. I'M GONNA. Roll strength and Sammy you're GONNA roll strength and we'RE GONNA. See who gets out on top. Oh Shit bowls. Would you get? Got The okay. He got an eighteen. So, he breaks out of your grasp however, that activates the action that Jack was readying. Jack Hopson their Jacko ahead and strength for me. That's an eleven He manages to evade your attack. And he squares his shoulders up with the soon I fellow and prepares to slam into him. And he just barely beat this guy's arm class So he slams into the kids soon, a fellow and that is one, six plus four. So that's five damage. Alright. So he slams into the consumer fellow who takes five damage and. Then he gets to multi attack so he gets to attack a second time. But the second time does not hit, which means we are back at the top of the order. So the soon an takes this hit Kinda grimaces. And, then manages to hit the. D'appel Ganger, a second time with his cross crossbow, his long sword. which is six damage. And next up arc I'm not a barbarian. So I, don't get a bonus for rage but I'm just GONNA put out there that he's extremely angry. Disgusted. and. Well. That's still fucking nothing pretty much fourteen that actually meet. So that's a hit. Excellent. Yeah. He fucking stabs him. In just sheer anger. Alright. So Roll Your Ami Adra Dexterity. Area modifier wit what. You're damage. Yes. Sir that's a seven. Cool. That guy takes seven damage. My brain can't math right now. This guy is bloodied if anybody wanted the update good. And next up is Eden. So. So my bag has some straps on it. I am so excited to hear where this is going. Doing is, is he still being grappled? No, I'm I was like zone out a bit there I, know you're good jacks action was ready to grapple him but it. He of era. strengh chat cool. So I have straps bag. and. He's rather preoccupied. I think, right? Yeah. Probably didn't care much about me hitting his kneecaps but I have straps on my bag as I've said, three times. So maybe I can blake wrap them around. Start Choking out oh my gosh. We're going to start this as grapple. Okay. So if you can grapple him, I'll let you roll one d four strangulation damage. And then you can do that for every round that he's still grappled by you. Okay. Okay. So do you have athletics restrengthen? No okay. Rolla strength check I'll roll strength check in. We'll see who ends up on top. Seventeen. He ruled nineteen but I would argue said he's bloodied. Yeah. That doesn't affect his strength check that's just as status condition kind of. That's just saying that he's at half his points it doesn't change his roles. Was a good trade. You WanNa try to do anything else in this turn Eden. Call for Charlotte to get off the chandelier role an will handling for me An ad disadvantage because this is a high stress situation and she went to a high place because that's where she feels safe. Twenty two. Damn. Okay. Yeah. She joins you she my baby. So Charlotte is now with Eden and we are up to SAM. neighboring. I so I have a called I hit good. This is replace the unarmed strike damage with jock unarmed strike do I get that at first level not first level but your level three so I believe you get that Because you're a junior so you're level three. Yeah I'm. GonNa, walk a punch him in. Okay. Well, you're right next to him so you don't need to walk but go ahead roll to hit. Cool I'm just I'm just GonNa hit them. Their older one. Sam Nunn into go ahead and pick Hazar Tales for me. Sick Tales. Hold on Madsen's flipping for me because I can't flip. Apparently neither can i.? Had Okay and you pigtails. Okay. Your unarmed attack hits arc. Damage for me. All. Okay, we'll be okay. Hold on I need to grab. My usual setup you sick it. Oh. So. Has Your tails because if you had lost the coin, toss say that you hurt yourself in some way but you won the coin toss and unfortunately is the one directly next to you. You won the coin. Toss. Fuck. I'm sorry. Irritate to damage Sam among the moment his full work is just going to start quickly. I'm talking like Sabi more baby. Okay. As long as SAMA sobbing, he's going to have disadvantage on attack roles because it's inhibiting his ability to see. And that's okay because it makes sense for saints, ARCS would probably stagger I don't know He. I'M NOT GONNA make you move a space for it. Okay. Okay. Next up is Jack. Jack. Doesn't have law option still you can't attempt to grapple again if you'd like I know and I'm kind of, I'm kind of leaning towards. That's just what he's going to do. 'cause he's not really a punchy type do okay. Rule strength. Well in terms of behavioral to any sort of damage. I just liked it. I'm sorry. Okay. I'm just saying if I get another eleven off of this d twenty, it's going dice jail because I've rolled like three over the course of the night so far. Anyway, we'll tell you that if you have any bonuses to strengthen you rolling eleven, then you're going to be fine. Right. He called a sixteen. Okay. So you have successfully grappled the dopplinger. Cool. All right. It is Charlotte's turn. God damnit Charlotte. So she throws more excrement, but she didn't roll one this time So it just sales over this dude's head and smacks against the wall. She's trying really hard to help. And now it is the Dow Ganger turn the student man is the one who's hurt him the most so he's grappled. Yes. He tries to hit a wait. No I see what you're saying So I rolled a two for my first role go ahead and roll strength for me. Fifteen sixteen he is still grappled which brings us to the top of the order. Top order is the could soon a man. WHO HITS And does another ten damage. This guy is looking. Off. The kids who know. The doppler Ganger. And Europe. See I think I think arc nobes out I think are out at this point he can't. He can't anymore he has. He his face is. Is Hurting and Which is not Sam's fault. It's OK He missed it was an accident and he just no over here because he does not feel that he can help anymore. Okay. So normally when you remove yourself from combat zone, you invoke an attack of opportunity. However Jack has grappled. So he's going to try to get out of that grapple to take his attack of Opportunity Jacko Henry, strength for me again. I'm concerned never mind he wrote rolling natural one you're fine and doesn't matter. Good K.. So. ARC notes right out of there gets out of the way he can't. He just can't anymore. Eaten, it is your turn. If you would like to try to also grapple the sky with your straps, I will give you advantage since Jackson currently holding him. Yes. Advantage means I can try again right evangeline rolled twice and take the higher number. Nineteen. You meet his role, which means you win. You are grappling him go ahead and roll a one d four for strangulation damage. To perfect. Oh righty. Next up is SAM. You guys all know Sam does doesn't do bullies Sam does not do bullies Sam. Are you still sobbing? Yeah. He punched one of his best friends square in the face and he feels like the biggest jerk in the world. But now he is like turning to the Doppler Ganger and it's just like I am going to fucking ill you. Not. Really he's more like. The good a put you. Remember to take disadvantage on your attack role. Yes. That's can be that still heads go ahead and roll your damage. That's going to be four damaged her effect we're getting their y'all next up is Jack Jack. You're currently grappling him would you like to continue to grapple I would love to continue to grapple. Okay. Go ahead and roll strength because he's going to contest again. Eight never mind he wrote a one. He's not having a lot of luck. All right. So he does not get out of that grapple, Charlotte tries again and does not manage to him. So there's another splattering sound, but it doesn't hit anybody. It's the thought that counts she's really trying. And now it's the Dunia man. WHO DOES HIT? and. Five damage which brings us back to arc I. Mean. I'M GONNA. Tell you guys this this obligation dude does not look good. He looks very, very bad but he will die. Okay. So at this point. Arc is removed himself and he like there are already so many like there is so much going on back there that he's like there's no way that I am going to try to throw my knife into the mix when my friend swung and missed and hit me I am not going to risk that. So he is going to continue to know. Okay sounds good. Next up is Eden. Eden, I would like you to roll strength with me again. please. bonk something. Go ahead and we roll Oh just like clarify twenty not natural still works So you managed to keep them in a grapple. I'm not GonNa make you rolled ahead because he's grappled. Of course, you've got this taken care of So go ahead and rule that one four for more strangulation damage just one. Okay. That brings us back to SAM. So I want to attack but I don't want to necessarily him. I just want to. Like knock him out. Can I do that if you allow me to do. I'll tell you what? I will allow you to attempt to do this If. You do enough to bring him to zero. All County does nonlethal damage and he'll be knocked out. However, you are still very upset and not in complete control of your emotions so if you don't do enough to. Knock him out then I'll count it as lethal damage. Okay and I'm still at disadvantage because I'm upset if you're still crying that you are still a disadvantage. Yes the I don't think he'd be sobbing anymore, but he definitely would be. Very if you're not sobbing then you're fine. I just we picture the sobbing is making it very hard to see, and once you're enough to knock Saab than you're cool. What's he saw that are backed up he'd be like, okay, we're done now K.. Role, the nineteen battle hit go ahead and roll your damage, and if it's enough to take him to zero, it will not come out and if not count as lethal. That's going to be four. Dang right on the nose. Okay. He's knocked out Jack He goes slack in your arms and his now dead weight. So please go ahead and Romi strength check to make sure you don't fall over care. Sixteen. All right. You are good. You don't fall over if he would like, you can set him on the ground. Oh, I love him drop. Even is also grappling though. It's up to you eden. Do you let your straps go slack? Probably? Not Okay she's like they did. So I'll tell you what? Go ahead and roll your deformed damage, and if it doesn't enough to kill him from before Sam, hit that he'll die if not, then you'll still be knocked out. Three heat is barely made it out of there. Oh, good. He's knocked out then she'll drop. Him and the straps and just be like. Okay, let's her. He's well improperly knocked out the soon fellow brushes. Some of actually think he takes out a cloth and he wipes the gray blood from his blade and sets my apologies. I didn't mean to get anyone else caught up in this. My name is Prince Coochie. You're. Always Perfect May I ask what your names are. Sam's GonNa Wipe the Ray and red blood from his knuckles and just kind of do a little this. I'm Sam. Offers hand to shake his hand and the rest of you. Well, my my name's Jack. Your Highness and Jack does like. Kinda half foul. Dues said prints. Your. I would really like to not have monkey shit on my head anymore and when you say that Barrett just shakes from his shock because he stayed. Witnesses. Because he felt it was his moral responsibility. His moral responsibility to watch the fight but not contribute. Okay. Just been. Bacon. Okay, the reason that that's funny is because the villager I use for Lord Barrett. As a pig for those who are listening, it's called from animal crossing. It's COBB. He's horrible. Sorry continue. Okay. So Barrett Kinda shakes himself out of his shock, and then through this doorway over here or I guess, it's a hallway it's a hallway calls out to the nearest servant to get ready for everyone He's rich he can do it well, that must be the same person who put me in the piano. Must Be. and Prince Coochie says. Yes. Of course Lord Barrett. I'm terribly sorry was trying to get his hands on me eaten like starts brushing herself off and like neal's to check on Charlotte. Charlotte is very anxiously. pacing. During the entire fight, she had her mouth wide open and bearing her teeth but wasn't making sound. This is a common Rhesus Macaque aggression tactic because I did my research. So she's walking back and forth and making this face and not taking her eyes off of the Doppler Ganger. Ma. Maybe. Baby. Charlotte Chimera. Roseanne handling for me and do what advantage because she does want to be soothed. Twenty two. Okay, she climbed up into your arms and she's just hanging around your neck. And I'm going to. Her back in between her wings and her head. This helps to calm down, but she does not stop looking at the doppler. Sam's GonNa, take off his coat in cover the double Ganger with it before you managed to put your coat down I. Think Cuccia own don't trouble yourself and he just wastes this thing over his shoulder she sits and is just like I'll take him to the jailhouse for now. And I'll be back shortly if you don't mind us in per in perjuring. Impinging on your hospitality Lord Barrett. No, no of course not. Fleas come back. Your Highness. And, he nods at everyone and and leaves with this d'appel Ganger each if you get a nice hot bath. I'm just assuming CHARLOTTA sharing tab with Eaton. That's my assumption. Yeah So you all get hot baths, the servants had also taken your clothes from you when you're getting into the baths. Yes for cleaning and fixing purposes, but you have been supplied with. Sleeping ARC doesn't even care about the fact that his beloved leather jacket is being taken from him because he's assuming that they are going to clean it of Monkey Shit. Yeah they're also cleaning the the walls of Monkey Shit Yeah I. Bet she really did try to help. She just didn't do a great job. I'm eating is GonNa Tell Charlotte how helpful she was. Polk that's really cute though. We. Awesome Free Enforcement. So you each take a bath you take as long as you want. In which case I'm GonNa just go around and ask how long people are taking so art, how long has your bath? Okay, I. Do want to establish I actually I need to establish in Canon that before they are led away to the baths he does catch Sam's attention to tell him. It's okay. I'm okay. Good because that changes my when I was doing completely. Okay. You guys want to have that conversation real quick. I mean he That's essentially all he would do is he would get his attention and tell them. It's okay. I'm alright. PULL ARC into a hug and say thank you. And he's like this is this is very sweet, but please do not also get this on you. Oh God. Doesn't care. Role. For Monkey Shit, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, do we want to have any other conversations before bath time? Bathtub are Kellen taken the tub? As long as it fucking takes. Okay. How long would it take for him to feel like he got all the monkey shit out of his hair. I'm I'm physically shuttering I don't know if the the microphones definitely didn't pick it up. But when we took our break to get food I told Ryan how lucky she was lucky. They are that they have arc and not me because if it was me I would have been down the hall and around the corner before it was even my turn again. I think I remember hearing that. Yeah Anyway Yeah, I mean he's probably in there for quite a while because he. Probably because he would probably like wash himself off the first time and then ask for them to change the water because now that water has monkey shit in it. Sounds wash again. All right. So Arcs for two hour has never seen this boy cleaner. Eden how long you in the Tab Charlotte or and a half SAM? How long in the? Tub. Hours okay. Jack. How long you in the TUB? Like. A half hour. Okay. I mean young, he scrubbed himself down a little bit because he was up close and personal with Mr Doppler. Ganger. But he wasn't traumatized like any other. Party. Okay. So Jack, you're the first one to get back to your room You aren dressing clothes for the evening they were provided to you before you got in the back. But on the bed is your clean quotes As, well as a bag of gold. I'm going to ignore how much gold ways. That's fair. If you take the time to count the bag of gold. Do you now have two hundred gold because you only saved a lord, but you also save to print so the Lord is trying to express his thanks. There's also a note saying as much, but I didn't write it. That fair. I think. All right. Jack is going to sit down on the bed and just kinda stare at the gold whispering what the heck what the heck what the heck is, which is this for real? How do you tell this is real gold. Jack Stars. Like an Olympian. Love Chuck Right it's like what he know enough to do that when he be like. I I will allow you an intelligence check if you would like. US please. It. Yeah. Okay. You're not. You're not in dice Juliet. Jack can have a little until. Twelve. Good enough you know that if you buy gold, it will dent with your teeth I don't know if you want to do this for every single piece out of the two hundred but you know that I I think he bites it looks at the eighth marks and goes. I need to look the gold standard we get back home. City. Jek Love You oh my goodness. That's great. Okay. Just cooling heels for the remaining time as he waits for his companions to get Donald FEHR baths. Cool Eden in Charlotte. It's the same thing you come back to find your clothes clean and taken care of as well as a bag of two hundred gold and a nights note oh She Is GonNa Start She's going to. Give a single coin to Charlotte to play with. and then she's going to. Divide it up into even piles and then give the boys each some of hers. She will quickly find out that she doesn't have to do that because she knows, but she's also. The. Daughter of a really rich man. So She doesn't need money and to her it's just like about this is care of my boys. She also kind of I mean she knows that. Sam and Jack How siblings and that ARC ride the bike and doesn't have a car. I love she's so good. Okay. If it wouldn't make my voice crack hideously I would be pterodactyl screeching now. Thank you for not PTERODACTYL screechy. Sam and ARC. When you get to your rooms, you find the same things, clean clothes, a bag of two hundred gold each a nice note arc. Your leather jacket is in the best condition you've ever seen it in. Ever, it's Probably Been Like Freshly oiled. So like smells good. Yes. Oh my God all the stuff you can do to take care of a leather jacket has been done to your jacket. Oh. Actually I forgot one thing Eden. Underneath your stack of close is a small fuzzy blanket. And one of the servants left note that just says comfort for your construct. She's GonNa Rapper in an just. Hope, baby. Hold her. She lets you. She also shakes her head to try to get dry and some of the water hits your face Charlotte. Doesn't care. It's her baby. Yeah. Okay. So you all get back to your rooms, find these things these notes, this gold. That's blanket. Would you like to do anything else this evening or would you like to have some well, desert rat all deserved rest. I think Jack would like poke his head out when he hears the noises of the others comeback. Did. Did did y'all see what's on your beds? She she begins like Oh. Yeah. Here's Sim Yours in. Here's some share for you, and here's some share for you. Sam's knock into yeah. Edens like what? Are. Like What are you doing? No, that's. Like she. This you are my boys and you'll let me take care of you. I have perhaps a solution. What if we just consider this all the group's money and collectively pool together that way Sims then going to take his bag in handed to Jack and be like. All right. Thanks. I think argh just kind of like. Blinks and. He says, quietly, this is more money than I've ever seen in my life. Eden Eden is going to hug him. Did did. Say Mood. Yes. He he gets a he gets a full smile out of arc for that, and then our hands him the bag. Copying. Them. In, is going to hug both of them. Jackson standing there now with eight hundred pieces of gold and a high end Harry Young Lady. House. List my life. It rain check. Actually probably hurt. Okay. I think we can use some of this to kit some equipment. Miming just holding. Your art and looking just like rapturously. Unhappy. Phones this real life is this going to be forever is this just man? I'm sorry. I just feel like I should also say that Sam is very much wearing the dressing room but is also wearing his giant now. Now that it's clean. I am. You should. I love you. I love you all so much. Anymore business to attend to you before you get a good night's sleep you. Know Pass out time. Okay. You all get a good night's sleep. Next morning we recover hit points if we lost them yes. Fabulous. Recover your hip points because this is a long rest. The next morning. Charlotte is shaking Eden awake because she smells good smells. It is up to y'all boys if the good smells also wake you up but Eden Charlotte, shaking you for good food. In. Okay I'm awake. And like pets are. And get prepared. And it will head out. During the night, there has been a new set of clothes laughed at each of your doors. So if you would like to dress in clothes more appropriate for the location and time, yes, you may do. Cools at assert her peso choose, Eden it would be skirt however I'm sure if you ask for pants, the pants could be made available for you does she have her old clothes with her to stone she does she s going to all have your old clothes in its she's GonNa put her the skirt over her pants. where the so good just in case that she looks the part, but if she needs to run tight skirts and book. Cool you can also choose to wear your previous things. If you'd rather I just want to give this option to you to look like you belong here and not from. Sachs's exit. ARC would. Almost certainly dress in a mix of the two because that's who he is he he's very used to his steel toed boots. They wouldn't provide you with shoes. That's too hard. Okay. Never mind with clothes. You can buy new shoes if you want there's a cobbler in town, but you're provided with close I think he tries to determine how dumb he would look if he was wearing the fantasy clothes but his leather jacket on top of that. baller. then. He does that. I. Mean I think it looks baller might give you a weird look that Jack is not with the Times but that's up to you don't care. Okay I mean that's literally exactly what Sam would do. Not Getting, his jacket. I really need outfit. Picks for all of you. Oh, you do also have knapsacks so you can step stickier close in their. Excellent. So you now have a set of traveling close and you have a knapsack. An abstract. Come back. So I decided just now. We're not only going to have a blooper reel, but I'm going to make a list. I'm going to make a playlist of every time somebody in the podcasting Sandra is. Could. So you all get dressed for the morning. Maybe you meet each other in the Hallway Hey Jack I think would be like. Well, I don't WANNA be rude. So he gets dressed in the fall traveling close get up. With his shoes. All right. Do you have anything to say to each other before you go to breakfast good morning. They are very, very hospitable. It appears. You. Guys like. It. It's very good. Up to her knees. Dam is going to look away bright red and covers is no. Art Lightly. Yeah. Like lightly uses the back of his hand to tap on Sam's shoulder like come on. Come on. I really enjoy eating declaration of wearing pants. So just to that, they don't think that she's not prepared. Okay I. Love You guys were in traveling clothes. Then all of a sudden you're embarrassed about maybe seeing edens ankles. On our Youtube Channel. Thirteen. Minutes of every. Early All right anything else you all need to take care of before you go to breakfast. nope. I'm going to put you all appetite evil as they're walking. He might say something about. Look at how. This code has been. Oiled. This coat has never seen oil in its entire life. Looks Good. My Dude. Things. Never seen also. So. You get to the dining table. The Breakfast is Immaculate Nice Big Fried Eggs Miyazaki. Looking. I. Love Me Some Miyazaki. million. Porridge. Pash. Brown's toast. All kinds of good stuff. Sam Likes Toxin. This servant that is near the head of the table says, unfortunately, Lord Barrett can't join you this morning. He needs to make sure that. Well he needs to make sure as d'appel Ganger doesn't didn't do too much damage while he was. Away. And the piano in the piano. Is there anything we can do to help them I mean as far as images go. I. Think. He has it well, in hand I do have this for you though and because she's close to Eden she handed over to Eden. It is a note from Prince Koichi. I'm sorry. I just saw face is that a good face? Good faith I just really love Kitson. Okay. There my weakness spare. Love Them. We're playing a different game whereas playing a kit soon and I was just like dear God. Do not play kid soon, a prints don't do. I'm already caught one. We've already got on. Anyway. So Eden read this note I presume. Yes. So the note says that. He is going to take the slip back to the castle but that unfortunately only one living body can go through the slip at a time at least with the skill level that he has. So he is going to be taking willas body back to the castle to be. No. Exam is. Not. rejuvenated. rubel revived. Thank you. So. Willow was definitely dead but she's going to be not dead soon because I'm not killing off the gate. Heck. Yes. Thank you doing. CAST. We there ain't no burying of the gays here or at least if I do and a bearing a gay, there are going be plenty of alive gays make up for let's just put it that way. But yes. Because he can only travel through the slip with one living at a Time Aka himself he will be back for you in about a week. In order to bring you the castle. Jack's going to be. Having some feelings about this. Eating do you share this with the rest of the table? She's Yeah. Of course, arc. Would look up at the servants say the slip what is that? Exactly? The slip is a magical means of transportation that can be used by the royalty. is basically a convenient way to get from place to place quickly As far as How many people can go in the slip one time, I suppose it would depend on your skill level but I'm not entirely sure I've never used the slip myself of we. We. We wait a week. Of course. Jack didn't think to ask how long A. Week was in this world. It's ten days by the way shack don't freak. It's only going to take a week says the servant that's quite fast actually. If you could Excuse. For just a moment Oh of course. Tax Straw ticket. The jam goes to get wordlessly convenient jam opening and closing his mouth as he tries to not freak out because I mean they've been here what two or three days already. This will be your second date. Okay. So two days and that's two days 'cause I mean he's been kinda focused for the most part on dealing what's in front of him but he is still very much aware that there is a younger sister. Tracking, down yeah. Jack just remember that last time we were in the situation time to. Say. There's also something to be said for the fact that just because the prince says that he's going to try to come back in a week for us that doesn't mean that we'll still be here. Appreciate that hard. She's already got what a twenty thirty minute headstart. They had already picked up the darn horse. Jack. If it makes you feel better I have some connections and. I can help you hire someone to find her. Arc almost spit something out his nose. Just, the gentle way that she said that I have some connections. While you are discussing this that servant that had left the room for jam comes back puts down some jam and. clotted cream. Yeah puts those things down for your breakfast and goes back into the kitchen because she did remember that you did one a moment to yourself but now you have jam and clotted cream that. I mean that's going to help Sam School. I have I have scone mix I. Don't have clotted cream, but I have scone mix. God. Do. You have jam. I do have jam I have two out of three ain't bad and now. Focus Focus Focus. Appreciate the. Eden. Sincerely hope it doesn't come to that I'd much rather be able to collect her. Well I understand that but I just right now we need to focus on the matter at hand not matter at home Jack Is. Takes several deep breaths and nonsense head your at your. Focus on what we can control and what we can't. At this point in the conversation, Lord Barrett comes in and says, Oh, good you're having breakfast and fortunately I have quite a bit to take care of. So eight before you is there anything I can get you today. You've done a great deal for US already. ORCAS nodding. Well I'm glad you feel that way. Please feel free to stay here until the prince comes back to get you. I heard you're trying to get to. Sack sit. A short pause everyone tries to be like, yes that's absolutely the case at the same time. He nods as though that completely makes sense. And says, well, unfortunately, I don't have the means to get you a ship if that's what you need but Prince Kuechly would definitely have those means in hand. He'd be happy to help you sure after you've saved him. Thank you for that information. Will be sure to talk to next Tennessee. Any noses head again he says if you'll excuse me. And then goes back to whatever work he was doing because he's a busy busy man who has to take care of all the bullshit that happened while he was stuck in a piano. Eden is GONNA suddenly remember that dream and like. Not Slam but she's going to put her hands on the table. You guys you guys had a dream. Am I. You mentioned grandma with a resonant. And she was saying something that. That we were close to something and but not quite an. And that I think that we were we were lucky that. Your siblings weren't pulled into it. So my remembering that right? Yeah. Pretty much It would make sense that it might get a little foggy seeing as you dealt with a lot of other ship between the dream and now essentially what your grandmother had said was that the reason that you all are being pulled into different world because of how close in proximity that you were. And that if Alex and Jack Younger Siblings were in the same grade they probably would have been pulled along to. You also did see her ears look different than you recall them looking when you knew her life, her ears we're like fairly normal looking human ears. But in the dream they were pointed and kind of forked at the end very symmetrical. It didn't look like an injury or anything just that's how her ears were shaped. Now that you have more time to think about this. I am going to allow you to roll a insight check to basically run through past memories. It's going to be a high one though because there's a lot happening for you. Know got nate. Okay No, you don't. You don't put much together with the difference in her ears, but it is something you were members so you might put together late. Show mention it though. Her ears were. Weird shaped. Anyway. She said that we the sibling your siblings could have been pulled into it but but. Their. Age made a difference I guess but. Guess. We're, close. And Zero out of ten I think this is going to continue to happen we. Figure something out I'm sorry I don't remember much. By had enough. She wanted to run off start circus. I do not need to worry about mortgage or sage for that matter. Just like I slid, let us to other worlds. It's because of their age that they weren't. So I think. They're safe. I. Don't know about Y'all but be more afraid for the people here have Alex. ended up here. She's one. At least. What's that friend that you keep talking about hers? Kili Yeah. At least it would just be the one of them. If it was both of them now. Oh God. No No. Okay. I'm and he shoves his Co. News now. as you are wrapping breakfast, one of the servants does come in and just ask, is there anything else you would like for breakfast or have we satisfied your appetite this morning everything Perfectly lovely. Thank you so. I'm so happy it. You are absolutely free to wander about the mansion. If you'd like you can also go into town, and if you come back for lunch, we'll have that prepared for you as well. You're sweeping. Of course, Miss Eden. She just grins like. Eating just loves these servants because they're so. Did. We mention that. One of the. is saying to the to the guys did we mention that one of the servants definitely saw when we were coming down the hall and told us How to get to the seller. Thank, you seem to be very helpful. Yes. That would be my love. She told me about it later. Yeah we were. We were definitely trying to get into the cellar because we had let Lord Barrett out of the piano. Oh well, I will let mile and know that she was more helpful than she really. Thank you. And she nods at you and she goes to help clean up after breakfast in the kitchen, and they'll also be cleaning up the dining cable after you leave. So. Hey. So we're going to do our level up stuff here I know this on everybody's saying, so I'm going to stick our normal. Right here, and then if you want to not listen to the level up. We totally get it if you'd rather listen to the level up to stick in there and we'll be right on it. Thank you so much for listening. I'm Ryan Your Dungeon Master and I'll be closing us out. First of all thank you Zoe Hoaglund for writing our theme. Music. Interested in hiring her talented self for any of your future projects, you can find her at facebook dot com forward slash zoe dot Hoefflin dot composer. That's Zoey Z.. O. E. Hoefflin Hov L. A. N. D.. There are lots of ways you can keep up with us and the links to our website and all the podcasts social media counter and are linked tree l., I. N., Ktar Dot e forward slash the game is afoot. You can also find us on patriotic. We're at Patriot dot? com. For Slash T G I A podcast, all lower case our lowest here's the kid sister at just five dollars per month where you can find character journals, player notes and patriotic exclusive art. If you have suggestions for things you'd like to see on our patron. Let us know our email is the game's afoot podcast at G. DOT com. Thank you again for listening and we'll see you soon. Friends Country People. You leveled up. A. Way How does that work with your levels proportionate to your age in school? So you are no longer taking high school lower costs, you are now taking dnd class locus. Okay Olea. Breeze. Good Good vibrating. Are you? Okay? I personally request that when leveling up with your dungeons and dragons classes. If you plan to multi class, please at least take five levels of whatever class you're choosing right now before you multi class and I just request that you do that. So you have a good. Base for your character before you move on to other things, I don't expect us to do the leveling paperwork right now. Yes mads. Thank you. I have a point of order question that may or may not actually have any bearing on the podcast but for some context if it does stay in. Ryan made a homebrew system that it at least doing a very, very good dance right now it's extremely good. No I liked it. I legitimately did. So. Ryan. Made A homebrew system that is for this scenario where it's kids from our world that get thrown into another world. So arc is a level three loaner. So when I level him up, does that mean that I'm bumping him to a level for rogue? No or I'm taking one level of rogue correct Sierra level three loner level one rogue level one row. What's everybody's class? One thing before we move onto that. We will eventually get our patriots setup and I decided a while ago that I am going to make this homebrew doc available. As A. Board level on Patriots. So if any listeners, WANNA play their own game where their high school students doing whatever. I've got a system for you. mads obviously said that they are going rogue. Again we're not going to do the paperwork right now. But? What's everyone else doing? So Ollie. Barbieri. At this is partially it character out of character have job. Will you still doing I think Jack is eventually GonNa get himself taking a Paladino I think just working that into his character is going to be a delight. I will. That I don't personally feel like a Palino's has to be to a specific God. So if you'd like your palate an oath to be something along the lines of I, don't care what it takes getting home to find my sister all let she do. I mean right now he's just a level one palette and we don't have to worry about oath-taking until level three. That's true. So we'll get there. Story what you're doing So I I discussed it with you and you you gave me a criteria I had to meet before I, was allowed. I don't remember what the criteria was, but I would like to be a necker Mansergh. Yes so when we talked about it. We came to the conclusion. Yes. Eden would not have access to the materials or. Learning that she would need to become a neck romance, her right away So my requests you is to either start with wizard or sorcerer for five levels. There are necker Manzi spells that you can take in either of those, and then after you hit that level mark, you can multi class with detrimental and just say that's your speciale. four since we're already talking about multi classing this is something that will and I had discussed in DM's that then came out in our in our patriots or not Patriot Jeez in our discourse server because arc does. Sing and play Guitar which was his original character secrets But he just like forgot that that was his character secret because they had just gone to ause and he figured that the dirt quote unquote the Jack had on him was the thing that actually mattered which was that he almost went to. Juvie he. So he he's GonNa Cross class eventually. So he's going to be taking five levels and Rogan then he's going to be a rogue robot. It's going to be I'm really stoked.

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Ep 64: Air Drake vs. Kimye's Flower Wall

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Ep 64: Air Drake vs. Kimye's Flower Wall

"Okay. So we just want to take one minute to tell you guys about Bravo's below deck Mediterranean. I feel like most of you are familiar with the show, but if not, I'm going to tell you about it because it is a must watch. If you follow the account, you know, we post the Sunday night, Chrissy Teigen roundup, and she's often tweeting about it. So often makes its way into their adopt. But basically, if you've never seen the show, it follows a group of nine crew members who live and work aboard a mega yacht and they are serving these wealthy and kind of uncompromising charter guests. So Bravo follows them as they undertake a new charter season in the French Riviera which is literally, the pinnacle of yachting, and Egypt sodas is different in that it kind of presents a new group of guests and new sets of challenges for the crew. Members to face. The boats are big, and the first analogies are even bigger. It's interesting because, you know, there's long hours in high stress environments and above deck, the crew kind of has to cater to the clientele and then below deck. We get to see what's going on with the politics and inner workings of the different like crew member relationships, personally, my favorite thing about the show is that you can pick it up at anytime you don't need to have watched previous episodes. Previous seasons to get what's going on. And every season there, these wide crew members that quickly become fan favorites, of course, captain, Andy is back who is the fearless leader does not put up with any B so anyway, jump on board below deck Mediterranean for an all new season starting June. Third at nine eight central only on Bravo and for sneak peek at the season before it premieres, go to Bravo. TV dot com. Okay. Now back to the show. Guys. I'm emma. I'm Julie, and we're the girls pine comments, vice loves and welcome back. I hope you all had an amazing Memorial Day weekend. I know this is coming out on Wednesday, which is different than our typical Tuesday, but everything kind of got pushed back a day because of the weekend. But we are here we are ready. We if things to talk about, we have an exciting announcement to make totally shit or you forget about two. I am. I mean I am we'll say it at the end but we're really excited. Yeah. Guys, there's a lot of stuff to talk about today there. The Kardashian recap is stacked, and I feel like a lot of news happen that we haven't had a chance to talk about, and we're six eighty to talk about it. So shall we sleaze? We ought to start with this whole Drake. Mallory Edens situation because we so Julie's going to explain the whole thing. But I just want to say we get a lot of emails from, like forty and fifty year old women who say I listened to your podcast. You guys keeping young. I feel so informed. I had no idea what was going on. I was so embarrassed. I want just be really clear for all of you guys, please, no boys. Our age were confused by this, too and asking us. So this was not like this had nothing to do with age or knowing things about publisher people were a little confused as to the details of the story. So we just want to explain that is, if you understand it, it is really funny, so Julie, let's take it away thought you'd never ask Okay. The Drake maller Edens situation, two main players, Drake and married. You don't say. Drake is what we call in the industry, a Toronto, Raptors STAN. Why are you? Let me stay he's from Toronto. So obviously the basketball team the Toronto Raptors he's a huge fan and he's been very vocal about that. And during the series that was the Eastern Conference. They the trudge raptors played them walkie box and Drake was very vocal on the sideline during the game. And you know, trash talking the other team whatever all that stuff. And the bucks came out being like like essentially, shut up like they've, they thought it was very obnoxious the way that he was, and people are going to get that sportsmanship. Whatever. So the next game after that all came out Mallory, Edens, who is the owner of the bucks. Daughter wore a push a t shirt to the game to the bucks. Raptors game. Now, obviously, this was a dig at Drake because Drake and push t have a lot of beef dating back to push t coming out talking about Drake's kid, so. So everyone went crazy for this girl. Who's obviously gorgeous sitting on the sidelines where next Aaron Rodgers wearing a push a t shirt, which obviously disa- Drake, so Drake post the picture of her on his story in writes, all his fair in Warren, Warren, trust me. I'll still get you tickets ovo fest hard. I abo- jeez. So now there's this hilarious backfires leisure, you follow her on Instagram commented on her picture. She put up a whole post about like sips tea during the game. It was just this very, very funny back and forth, new. It's, it's just hilarious. Like, here's this Rin not. She's ran if she's obviously the daughter the, you know, the daughter of, of the of the teams, the owner. But I let me tell you something, the last thing she was expecting with Drake to not only basically hit on her. She goes fully viral. Like I think if you know, Drake well, you're fully expecting him to hit on her, like, all she did deserve. Push a t shirt, and then all hell broke icing. She knew I think she knew this would be as big as, as a guy. I think she knew it'd be big. I don't think she knew it would be. Like this. I mean it was it was a really epic move, and the Instagram. The Julia was talking about was Mallory uploaded a picture, you know of her and on the sidelines. And in the row behind her was this woman drinking. So the second slide was zoomed in picture of the woman, drinking, and the third slide was Kermit, the frog, the infamous medium of him, sipping tea and Drake commented on the picture, and it was like, that's me in the second row, referring to, you know, drinking teas that that's kind of what we posted and that was the backstory people were really confused, but it's really funny. If you understand the context, we just wanted to take a moment to explain it, right? Yes. I think it's all I think it was hilarious. I thought the whole thing was very well played and also amazing publicity for the bucks. Oh my God. They lost. Yeah. But still, I mean, her dad was probably thrilled. Yeah. Who heard of the bucks before this? No. That's for. Damn. Sure. Okay. The next thing we want to talk about is I'm sure some of these socks it was everywhere, but people were a little confused in a lot of us. A lot of you guys were asking us to explain it. So that's what I'm going to do. So this was the whole story with Moby and Natalie Portman, his so Emma cannot stop calling him Moby Dick. She's like, are we gonna talk about Moby Dick on the podcast? I'm like the whale probably not. I don't know what got into a anyway. Have you ever read, Moby dead? No, no, no. Why was it? The forefront of my mind anyway. So Moby is a musician. He is fifty three years old, and what happened was he wrote this new book, and it's called, then it fell apart. And in his book he talks about having a relationship with Natalie Portman when he was thirty three and she was twenty and I'm going to read this quote, he says, for a few weeks, I tried to be Natalie's boyfriend. But it hadn't worked out, I felt that I was going to have to tell her that my panic was to agree agree, just for me to be in a real relationship, but one night on the phone she in. Me that she'd met somebody else, I was relieved that I never have to tell her damaged. I was so that was in his book, his him, detailing the fact that they had some relationship, she in an interview with Harper's bazaar responded to that for context is now thirty seven and she says, and I quote, I was surprised to hear that he characterized the very short time that I knew him as dating because my recollection is a much older man, being creepy with me when I had just graduated high school, so she was saying, first of all, I was eighteen not twenty as you said, and second of all, we didn't date, if anything it was kind of a creepy relationship that we have that you were being creepy with me, so that in itself is kind of cringe worthy in weird, but would happen next I thought was the fucking weirdest thing to ever happen. He Instagram'd a picture of them from that time when he was apparently thirty three and she was twenty allegedly now eighteen where he's shortlists and he has his arm around her. She looks Jen. Humanly, like she cannot wait to get out of this picture. He's the creepy smile on his face. I'm just detailing the with the picture looked like, and he rates basically saying that I can't believe Natalie saying that we didn't date, you know, I feel it's so sad that she's going to disrespect me like that he says it hurts to be lied about, especially as I've always respected, her and thought we were friends. So everybody was like, wait a second. First off this woman comes out and says that her eighteen year old self was uncomfortable with your antics, as thirty three year old man instead of just either not touching on it or apologizing. He then comes out being like a campaign. She said we didn't date. So everybody's kind of like, dude. What the fuck like didn't you feel that way? It was. Yeah. It was a major lacking, social cues moment? I have to say from everything I've ever heard about Moby which isn't a ton this kind of fits the mold. I, I don't know any really thing about him. So he poses picture. Everybody in the comment section is like dude. You got to like this. This is fucking weird. I guess he then realized that because the are outraged that it spoke that he had to say something so he posted a picture that said from Moby on apology. And he writes as some time has has I've realized that many of the criticisms levelled at me regarding my inclusion of Natalie in that it fell apart are very valid, and he says that like you should have acted more responsibly and respectively. Respectfully given the age difference. And he says that he really admires her intelligence creativity her animal rights activism, and he says that, you know, he really tries hard to approach everyone in his life with dignity, and respect, and that his actions were inconsiderate. So he says, so for that I apologize to Natalie as well. So the other people, I wrote about, and then it fell apart without telling them beforehand like great, that he apologized, the whole thing, so children right about people without telling them the whole thing, which is fucking weird, and I was very uncomfortable, by the story, I wasn't even comfortable by the initial like okay, it's one thing if he's going to he's going to lie about it, then Instagram. I can't believe she lied. Instead, we didn't date also as a picture of the two of you proves that you dated also the particular picture. Yeah. It was creepy. He like literally looked like she was like I have to get the fuck outta here. It's just weird. Like that's not just because you have a picture together at stop proof. This is the Pitta me of someone who did not run it by his publicist. He pulled a Justin Bieber if you will, there's also I think probably as an older person in the business, I think that you probably have publicist who, who are maybe a little bit out of touch as well totally you're saying that he lacks the standards associated with like accountability with, with. Yeah. I think that, you know, there's a very different view that I our generation has towards these types of things that an older generation, where it's like. Older generations, I think tend to see these these situations is very black and white either was consensual or it wasn't consensual and that's the way they approach things. So. And I don't even know if Moby has a publicist. That's I'm just saying that. I think that when you go about this. Oh, oh, you guys weren't eligible. You have a picture together. Oh my God. Prove it show that US now your side of the story. Whereas our generation, it's like, yeah, just because this happened doesn't mean that everything was one hundred percent kosher with it. And I think that older generations, have not everybody obviously, but have a little bit harder of time grasping that concept. So we're a lot of the times when older actors are older people in the industry, wanted us something. They're not thinking the way that our generation does, I think you're spot, regardless of all the metoo stuff because I think that you've what the metoo stuff, they're, they're starting to understand that gray area between, like yes and no. And but I think they still see it as to very late concrete terms. Again. I totally agree with you. And I think that would also extend to other things like B Q issues and stuff. And everything does not speaking sensitively as honestly, not even from, just from a point of ignorance, not even from a point of, of a intentional disrespect. It's, you know, it's a very you know, I think that a lot. People learning. And I don't think it's an excuse for the way they act. But we were raised very differently than an older generation. Whereas we were, you know, from young age taught all these things and taught about inclusion and talk. I mean, even our generation to the younger, the kids in the class, you know, I was talking to somebody about somebody who was who's kid identifies as a female but is was born a male, and they're like saying how they were so worried about the way that they were gonna be perceived in school. I think they're they're very young. And I was saying, I was like, it's, it's not like any where these kids are very, very for the most part, understanding and accepting of that because they were just raised with that being the norm. And each generation understands that a little bit more and a little bit better. So, you know for the older generation, it wasn't raised that way there in this period. Where it's like you can't teach an old dog new tricks. But they have to be a hat to be taught. No, no, I also just want. I know exactly what you're saying. I just think it's clear to, to acknowledge clearly, there's so much bullying that goes on. On with people. No. I mean it's, it's, it's most porce I just I, I know what you're saying, but for people that are listening. I just want to clarify. Of course. There's it's much what I mean is, it's much much, much more different than when we were younger and the bullying was obviously, the bullying still takes place, but I'm talking about, like a very young. And I've seen it firsthand because I was born I'd campers who were very young and cameras who went through this. It's just much more normalized for them than it was for us, completely when I told you this, when I was in when I was working the Bronx and six eighth graders. It wasn't nobody blinked there was, you know, there were lesbian couples at six and nobody even which is a meeting. 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So just to give some background he has been there for sixteen seasons, which is eight years, and, you know, John legend Kelly Clarkson and break shop, Blake Shelton are all staying. Interestingly enough, though. Gwen Stafani will be taking Adams spot. Which is going to be very interesting, obviously because of Blake in Gwen relationship, and how that translates to on camera and their dynamic with the other judges, I think, is going to be kind of fascinating, a really interesting personally, I'm into that. The thing with the show is they all have such an amazing dynamic, and it's such a like. The judges are as much part of the show as the the contestants are. So it was like their interactions in their relationship. Are such a huge reason why the show was so successful. And I think it will just be like because Blake and Adam had this very funny relationship with each other, whether the you know, they kind of made fun of each other a little bit. So it would it would have been even more interesting if out of had stayed in Gwinnett joined to see the way, the three of them would have interacted. No, totally moving on to Lindsay. Lohan. Paris Hilton we have to talk about this. It's honestly, the weirdest bucket thing that has ever happened. So let me set the scene. So Paris was on watch what happens live. We even have talked about this last week. I don't remember exactly what happened. But let me just explain why what the next thing about chocolate, so she was asked he was playing plead the fifth, and she was asked to say three nice things about Lindsay Lohan. And she started by saying beyond which we kind of expected. Maybe there was some positivity and then she said, Lehman embarrassing. So as you know, Paris has not been shy about. Out voicing her dislike towards Lindsay and kind of her disgust or her disrespect, right? I think that's a good word. She's like wants nothing to do with her Lindsay. Lohan, then a couple of days ago posted an old throwback picture of her in Paris with the caption, beyond friends are true love at Paris. Hilton congrats on your new song and everybody was like, dude. What the fuck and then not only did you do that. She also posted, and then deleted a picture of her NICKY Hilton, and then she started following Paris on Instagram. Everybody was, like, okay, this is her way of kind of take, you know, clapping back. I guess. Right. So bizarre. It was so weird. It was like. Like, I couldn't tell whether Lindsey was trying to take the high road. I can't tell whether Lindsey was trying to prove they were friends. I can't Lindsey was clapping back. I don't know what her intentions were. It was. So bizarre. But Solans -i. We get so many questions asking us, what is going on with Lindsay? Lohan. Her Instagram antics are so fucking weird. What I have to tell you is that I have absolutely no idea none. I think that she's, I honestly think that she's suffering from something like serious. And I think that it needs to be taken a little bit more seriously than it may be is. Because I'm surprised that she has this much access to almost like publicly embarrassing herself in the way that she does continually do not. I mean, the story of Lindsay Lohan is like talking about a bonus episode. Yeah, yeah, that's obviously, obviously being done. I mean there's just so much there. And if you notice it's her, and her something was really fucking weird, which we didn't post about it because the comment the, the times where we don't post Lindsey ones because we're like it's too bizarre. That it's bordering on insensitive for us to post. Let me tell you guys how much that happens. We've an album of Lindsay Lohan wants that we purposely don't post because we're afraid at the like mental health backlash is gonna come from it. I almost feel like right. Yeah. I I it's just it's part like, I feel like I don't wanna keep piling on. Yeah. Take everyone knows everyone season. Everyone seeing these weird comments and her posting these weird pictures and commenting things back at herself that have nothing to do with anything. It's, it's a very bizarre, and like definitely a little concerning. But also the one that we didn't pose it wasn't her comment was on mother's day. She uploaded, a picture of her and her sister and her mom and her brother and her dad, but. Her dad was in the picture, and it was, you know, she's saying happy, mother's day, which, I guess, some people thought it was weird that she didn't a picture of just turn her mom or whatever. And her sister Allie commented being like Lindsey. Why would you upload this when we were raised by single mother? I didn't even see that. Yeah. It was deleted member kind of vaguely on. You're saying, but a never even spoke about this because it got deleted before I could even do anything about it, but I was has that's fucking interesting. But again, we're that her sister would comment that publicly is supposed to just texting her I would love like to just sit down with all the love. You know, when someone said someone commented on her picture and was like the Paracels MTV, we don't want a reality show about low hen Mykonos beach club. We want a reality show about behind the scenes of her Instagram. And I was like, if that's not the fucking truest statement I've ever heard of my life. Could you imagine just what I want her to say what goes through, like I want an explanation for everything? She doesn't social media. I don't even know if she'd give it to us, I don't even think she realizes half the time what she's doing what she's she literally will comment like at Tiga. And writes, has nothing to do with tug, and it's on her own picture to think, though, that if she's going through a genuine like mental health struggle that her mom is in either in tune with it. Or like do you think I guess my question would be, do you think she has people around her that are receptive to what's happening? Or do you think that she, I think she has never had people around rose up? Kenneth Lay devil's advocate for half a second. I'm not saying I agree with this, that everybody's kind of being dramatic, and this is her, and she's just really, she's kind of is just offer, and that's kind of how she operates or you think that something serious is going on. It. It's hard to say, like I don't I don't feel comfortable, looking at somebody's Instagram, comments like this is what's going on. What's wrong or you're suffering mental, you're, you're like I I wouldn't feel comfortable making the Astra tation. I just think that it's definitely not the norm. I don't know if. I wouldn't go as far to say is Kerr instrument antics, make it seem like she's a danger to herself or somebody else, I don't know. But there's definitely something off about it. There's definitely something that's like. Yeah. And also more than just the comments. So I'm not even talking about the comments. Have you ever seen when she'll randomly go live? I do not like the people she sometimes goes live. And she's with these men, and it's such a weird dynamic, like, he I think a problem with Lindsay Lohan. Is that in it's the same problem with? Britney. Spears. Everyone that she surrounded herself with was profiting off for. And this is that we talk about a lot of times with people in the industry, where it's like you need people around you that aren't your family that aren't making money from you because if you get yes to death this is what you end up in. Everybody says, yes. Yes. Yes. To everything you wanna do and it just goes downhill. And I don't think for the longest time Lindsay at anybody around or that was saying. No, you can't do this. This isn't right. And that's how she ended up in this situation. She did. Now, I think the now looking back between let's say three points of Lindsay Lohan, which is the beginning of her career like America's sweetheart, the cute little girl that was Lindsay Lohan to the two thousand seven to two thousand whatever you know drugs arrest. You is to now it's it's such a vast difference between now. And, and that, that maybe it's like, okay, you know, she's not on drugs anymore. We assume she seems to be chief hold a job. She can she has her clubs. She's in Mykonos. She's away from the spotlight me. Maybe she's not a hundred percent but she's not what she was. And let's just leave it at that. I don't know. There's definitely something wrong. There's definitely something off. I just don't know if it's a cause for concern or if it's just who she is at this way. That's what I'm saying. 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Now back to the show, moving on now to we had covered the Roger Gaoyao stuff a lot while it was happening, and it's kind of been like a developing situation. I guess you could say obviously there were abuse allegations against him. And they, you know were separated filing for divorce whatever anyway. So two things that happened, first of all Jenny went public who she's thirty three and she went public with her boyfriend. Zach clean. In carpet, alot. He is twenty four. He's kind of for lack of a better word just a stud exactly what you would pick her to be with a tall Jack yet talent guy. And I guess because of the fact that Roger posts so much with the kids and not the Jenny doesn't, but that Jenny posts a lot going out. She she's definitely more of a celebrity between the two of them, and she was posing with her boyfriend that people, the trolls were really taking comments section kind of attacking her, and her her parenting. So Roger posted an Instagram on Monday defending her that said there seems to be an overflow negative comments both towards me and towards Jenny on many of my postal. I'm a big boy, in a proud supporter of free speech. I can take it Jenny also has tough skin and can take it. However, the comments as to who the better parent is or who spends more time with our children are unnecessary. I accept responsibility in the divide, I caused in the eyes of the public, but I'll always post about my children. And if we can move past the negativities certainly it wouldn't be too much to ask for everyone else to we both love our children and Pathak Lee, and always will it takes far more effort energy to be. Negative than it does to be positive. Enjoy this beautiful day. I saw that was a really good move on his part. It was. Yeah. It was excellent very classy like done, not say, listen. I totally like stand by her and her allegations against him and everything completely. I'm just saying this particular thing. I thought was a good move. That was what he should have done. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I yeah. I don't think there's, there's not much to say. We just wanted to tell you, because a lot of it is a developing story. It's been going on for a while now. So anytime there's a new major update and her coming out, I have to say her coming out with her younger boyfriend, which there is absolutely nothing wrong with but in, in the public eye can be seen as like, oh my God. What is this quote, mother doing the whole mom, she media was a moot was amrried move of her, because she knows that the, the reaction that she was going to get? And she did it anyway. And I thought that to him than to kind of come to her defense, was was it was it was just really classy on his behalf. I can't speak to his past actions because I just don't know. But in this current moment in this current situation to clarify. That's what we mean. It was a classy move. I agree moving on to. Why is this episode so serious? I don't know. There's a lot of intense stories. We can't control the news for Kurdish superlight though. This is what I'm thinking we'll go. We'll do these what are the order? And then right before the crashing will say thing we're excited to say, and then we'll do credentialing and they'll be like super high for it. Okay. Okay. Because like when we plan bit f- successor just happened. Okay. So Taylor swift in an interview she was asked that, you know, she since she's kind of at a turning point in her life since she's turning thirty two. She wants to be a mother one day, and she found the question very sexist. And she responded that I don't think men are asked that question when they when they turned thirty so I'm not going to answer that now. I thought that was a really good answer. I have to say I really did. I thought it's true. And listen, I know one could play devil's advocate like, yeah, we'll men don't have technically a biological clock. But it doesn't matter. It's such a triggering to me. I think that, that can be such a triggering question for you have no idea, what someone could be going through. What if they can't make it? Yeah. What if they can't get pregnant, what if it's you know, they, there's a million different reasons that someone could decide. Two or to not have kids or sometimes to not even make the decision. Their body makes it for them. And I think that we should whether or not you wanna look at it as sexist. I just think that we should all stop continuing this narrative of, of openly, asking the woman is that there's nothing wrong with it. It's such a personal private thing, and especially in a public interview it's not like your one of your friends asking you. Yeah. Right. She she was totally. She was on. Oh, right on with this. I agree. It's kind of like what I was saying, did I say this is on the upside last week, by the mother's day stuff in about like other things that I say this to you, privately, an remember, it's kind of, like how you think so. Someone's turning thirty anything. It's a harmless question to ask them like, oh, so what do you think about having kids, and you have no idea, what that could trigger them? I experienced in a totally different aspect of it. I experienced that on mother's day this year because obviously, my mom passed away last year, and it's such a normal thing to ask, like, oh, so, what are you doing for mother's day? You know, not people that, you know, obviously. And people, I totally get that it's such a normal question. Nobody's thinking that it's gonna be triggering and honestly like. If I'm being honest. I don't know if I recognize that before I fell victim said situation myself, but it really is a really triggering question. I go through a course of one day, I won't get my hair done. Nails on I go to the grocery store and have to tell five different people. She actually died Jackson. It's fucking Zossen at the end of the day, you're like I can't put up with this anymore. Yeah. And I think that this is a similar kind of thing it's kind of like, honestly like Memorial Day. You how do you know that the when you're saying, oh, how how you celebrate Memorial Day we can have, you know, the person you're talking to didn't lose someone at in more, there's just like a lack in my opinion and not to sound like super sensitive about this. I just think that there's a lack of sensitivity that goes into discussing things like that. It's not like wishing someone a merry Christmas on specific events or were times in people's lives. I just think that we as a culture, it needs to be more of a thing to be more sensitive to that. I really feel strongly about it. It's, it's very difficult because. It really is. So the norm. And you think you're being not in Taylor situation, not asking her that question. But just in your day to day lives where you think you're just being respectful by asking somebody normal question in taking time out of your day to, like, because the thing is on the other hand, a random person didn't have to ask you about your mother's day plans. They're just thinking, oh, will be nice and wisher good day. Obviously, it's there's a level of sensitivity that goes with the but I think it's every single one of your interactions, you have no idea, who your interaction with them. What they're going through. You could say anything, and it could be triggering for them, and it's really, really difficult to keep that in mind, but I think there are obvious questions like the ones that Taylor was asked where it's like, don't ask it. There's nothing that you get in. There's nothing they get out of asking that question. Do you know what I mean? I got exactly what you mean. Yeah. Totally. But it's kind of similar to saying, if you want to, if you wanna say something. Nice like the mother example, happy, mother's day, happy, Father's Day, instead of asking the person. No, I'm not not. Offering an alternative. And I know that so much like even the Taylor thing. I know as a man hearing this they probably can understand just like if you haven't lost someone special it's kind of hard to put yourself in that situation. But, like just to try to, to try to have that level of empathy without having to experience it yourself, I think something that we should all like collectively work towards it's definitely not something that I had, I would always ask people. Oh, how are you celebrating? And it's like right. You've just it's just an uncut. That's what I'm trying to say is that it's just sometimes you do things without thinking, I think, everything we do most of the time is without thinking in, especially when we're interacting with people that aren't are close. Like I would never say to you, because I know what are you doing from others day? I understand the sensitivity that goes into that. And the way I would word something like that to you in and be there for you, or whatever. But if I was interacting with somebody that I had no idea, and I just asked them, I would never think, don't ask them a mother's day. But I should it's the same way when you ask a kid that you don't know and you say, mom and dad, you have no idea what they're Prentice situation is or what their baby. They're move to. They have two miles may, it's just a forced like a forty in slip almost in. You don't think about it. But you're right. We should go day to day in think about these things. Okay, not everyone has this situation that I'm in completely. I am in my own life going to actively. It's something I really am trying to work toward being better 'cause I know what it's like it's very difficult. And I know it is I don't blame anyone. I it's totally dorm, just sorry to get so defense. Just a little note that I kind of feel passionately about that. I wanted to moving on to Miley. Cyrus can you explain this? You can try I just think it's kind of funny. I don't know. So yeah, I'm a little confused. Miley was performing her new song called cata tude, which was performed at BBC radio's one's big weekend show in London. And I, I guess it's a wrap which I didn't know Miley could do. I feel the way I'm talking right now being very critical violate I'm obsessed with her fully obsessed there, I'm just confused by this situation. And one of the lyrics in her quote, rap was. I love you NICKY. But I listened to Cardi which obviously people were upset by her doing because there's so much beef between Cardi indicate that's why are you getting involved in a beef that was on the with you, and be reigniting this feud, when they agreed to put it in the past, and obviously, like a ton of memes sparked from this end she kinda jumped on board with it, too. I don't know if it was make light of the situation or make it a joke or make it like kind of. Making fun of people think you can't do both. I don't really know. But she started like tweeting Instagram. Like variations alert that was like I love you me. But I listened to Ari I love you Miley. But I listened to Hannah, I love you Selena. But I listened to Demi, I guess, maybe it was a reflection of the way that we treat, you know, pop stars that are similar to each other, or maybe feuding with each other. I don't know. But that's the back story of if you saw those I love you blink. But I listened to blank that's the backstory of that me or that tweet or whatever why she did that. I can't explain. Yeah. I just thought it was interesting, very interesting. I have nothing really to sand, it other than yes, she's randomly be getting involved. But, you know, something we're talking about it. So it wasn't a stupid move clearly. Because if we're talking about a lot of other people are also. No. It was it was definitely not as I think I'm most confused why she's wrapping. Last thing that we want to talk about in the regular news stories before we moved to the award ceremony is Amelia Clark, who obviously, you guys know is one of the main characters in game of thrones. She opens up in an interview this week about not wanting to do projects of sequels, and the topic of fifty shades of grey came up and this, what you said, I'm going to quote it just an interesting. Attic, don't new middle headlines that people were kind of confused someone at just explain it to you. So she says, anecdote well Sam Taylor Johnson, who's the director is a magician. I love her and I thought her vision was beautiful. But the last time that I was naked on camera on game of thrones with the longtime ago and yet, it's the only question that I ever get asked because I'm a woman, and it's annoying as hell and I'm sick and tired of it because I did it for the character at into it for some guy. It's some guy could check out my kids for God's sake, so that coming up, I was like I can't she was talking about fifty shades of grey. I did a minimum amount, and I'm pigeonholed for life. So me saying, yes, to that were the entire thing is about sensuality and sex, and being naked and all of that stuff. I was just like no way. I'm gonna voluntarily walk into the situation, then never be able to look someone in the eye and be like no you can't keep asking me this question. Fucking. I was like, yes. Yeah. It's so unfortunate. That that's the case. It's so unfortunate. That woman shows are tits Winston. That's all she can get asked about. But it's also the very sad, reality that, yes, I would love to change. But in the current moment, that's the case. And I just thought that her quote she so like it was talk about more. Okay. This is what I have to say about talk about a more powerful way to combat objectification or to open up a dialogue about it. Then to literally say she turned down a giant movie role just for that reason. Not even because it's like, yeah I was uncomfortable with nudity. She never said she was uncomfortable. She was just didn't want to deal with the commentary that was gonna come and knowing that she would then be known for life by that. And so fucked up. Honestly, good for her. In a way, totally. It's, it's really interesting. I'd never heard somebody now that I've never heard something approach nudity. But a explain it so clearly why she to do it versus not do it. I think that this goes back to the conversation we're having before about like the older. Ration- not really understanding sex seems to these that we see them are pretty new on TV. I mean, yeah you had sex in the city, which was a huge deal in passing but the way sexiness have evolved over the years. Especially on TV is crazy because us not be able to show things on TV. Now when you have HBO and streaming services like that there aren't as much regulation. So. I kinda understand both side. They understand, you know from reporter perspective being so curious about how doing a scene like that would affect them because it is it's uncomfortable to do in everyone seeing it. And there was that thing when Macy Williams had her sexy in on game of thrones. And she tweeted like if you guys thought you are uncomfortable. My whole family watch that. And it's just I think that people have to find that balance between. You know, it's really interesting that you made this decision to do a sex scene, or you made this to be nude on Cameron and tell me about that from an artistic perspective, or from how you think that affected your camera versus you showed your tits on TV, and I think people really have to find that balance because I don't think it's inappropriate to ask about a sex scene on TV. I think it's appropriate to ask about a sex scene on TV when you're doing it in an objectify, totally agree with you totally agree with you also quickly, not to talk about it. But I just wanna say that Riyan debuted her Fendi line in Paris. And we are thrilled for, I'm so in love with round. I don't know about it. Okay. So as you know, we are. Fully obsessed with all things. Bravo, it is no secret. And that's why we are really excited that we've kind of partnered with Bravo to tell you. 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I think it's I think I have a clear winner. But on the both the first was delayed. So he posted a shirtless picture of himself, just looking incredibly sexy and Christie can commented. I am like this fear of being weird at gab union. John legend if you saw just no I do not like it. I like I like to do really don't worry, Chris, we'd like to on your behalf. And then David Spade posted a picture of him and Sarah, Michelle Gellar as a throwback, he wrote, he wrote hash ITT Buffy totally buff and someone comments. I think you're tractive in my friends. Give me a tough time about it. And he responds keep fighting the good fight. I love that one. He's the winner to me. Yeah. Yeah, I just thought it was so funny TV, but don't you wear it Kristie? You're getting a chance to redeem yourself in the next sucks. Yeah. Coming up. So stay tuned. Okay. Best clapback to nominees. The first is, and I wanted to say this also 'cause I just wanted to quickly in the back story, which we'll get into in the crash and recap. But James, Charles uploaded, a picture of him and Kylie, Jenner at her Kylie skin launch which don't worry everyone. We're going to talk in depth about in the next section, and he made the caption sisters, and she's someone commented it, but she unfold you LL and he responds. She never followed in the first place, L. Well, stop believing everything you read on the internet, which I have to say thank you, James, that was a valuable piece of insight. We all we all thought that she on followed. Yeah. James is like. I just can't deal with trying to get into a stormy. Wait. What she's talking about is that they were at. They were out of mutual friends. I e party this weekend, and you see a video of kylian stories a kids party lives, James there. He's clearly trying to get into stories this has this was played eight between stormy and James Charles and had nothing to do with Kylie, Kylie is supervising James trying to move in and become stormies best friends, if it was so funny, which honestly there's no clearly the goal here is that please be clear. We're not making any sort of pedophile like thing. It's an okay. Job. Can you believe if people are fucking crazy? I have to say he obviously wants to get close to Kylie an ugly on his part. Fucking smart move. There's no way to get closer to Kylie then to get close to stormy. That's probably why Jordan, she still falls Jordan starving. He's looking over James Charles resume like. It might be bad. Look for us. He's like she's like she's like mom, who is Taty go, 'cause she has some shit to say God, I see storm Todd lose it, I would literally lose it. We have to make that Amine. Let's make after this. Okay. The second was when we go home now. The second was we posted that picture of Chrissy that her comment on, on DVD is kind of a meta award ceremony and someone comments, Christie's, the late of this world and someone else on our post and someone else responds and says, she's the most talentless celebrity of all time, and she response and goes babysat following me. Then, do you understand that Chrissy in order to know that had to go to her followers type in this person's username and check to see if she was following her? It's amazing. That's why we love. We've said it from the very beginning. We love a clapback requires a little extra work. You know what it is? Tell me, let me tell you. Julius put over Penn, like so. First of all, everything outline is by as my signature seven hundred times during this podcast because I've told me it was about to go to my phone anymore because I played a Sunday, service thing in the middle. P we cut it out. So you don't know literally in the beginning of the episode where we're in a very good float. All of a sudden just here, like gospel music, and I'm like, what the fuck sorry. Sorry sunny survey was actually I wasn't watching it just like clicked on him by accident anyway. So I got phone privileges taken case. And anyway, what was I saying, oh, the reason I love Chrissy so much. And I think everyone does is because something you and I talked about a lot is going the extra mile for the joke. And that's what Christie does Chrissy by no means. She could have come up with any other clapback. She by no means needed to check to see if this person was following her. She does it for the joke and I love that about her. I completely agree so congratulations. David spade. And Chris, can you are the recipient for this week's best comment? And best clapback of week, funniest comment, also, I wanted just make a honorable mention to the our post about the vagina name thing I loved, that I love when these things happen. There's nothing we love more than we post when it's like, oh, the color of your this, and this, and this celebrity star commented on it this meet so many articles, did you even see pop sugar to the whole. Yeah. I have not I have a Google notification started on. You're not the only one people did a whole thing, it was really interesting forensic files is my favorite now Laverne Cox was really funny. But wasn't hold on. Let me pull it out. It was really funny. There were a lot of really good ones. Who else had funny when somebody said marvelous, MRs may Zo, Johnny Knoxville said, deadwood Laverne Cox was beachfront bargain hunt renovation. Yeah, that's funny. That's very funny. I thought ours was funny to ourselves my God. People commented their own things. What do you mean? Like a lot of people commenting things that they were in LA cocoa, commenting, the big bang theory. Yeah. Commented Whitney did you know that she followed us after that? Yes. We we talk about it. Yeah. We talked about it, okay before we move onto a crash and recap, which is incredibly stacked. And there's so many things. I can't wait any longer. We have to say fuck can say okay let's do it. Okay. You guys. So Li all the time, get DMZ emails and things kind of everybody who just like gets this stuff as much as we do in freaks out about it, and kind of wants another way to connect that isn't just the podcast. And we wanted to we knew that we never like to do anything just to do it. Like we want to make sure that it's done rate and don't strategically in that is. Why we have decided to do a patriot on and Sunday, this coming Sunday, June second, we are launching our patriot. We are so fucking excited. We'll probably about it like a couple of days before it's too, too, on our story, literally, I can't wait. This is the first time we're telling anyone, by the way, like, literally, it's off is Valent our manager. And like I I my dad knows I don't know. If anyone else knows I told my parents, nobody else knows about this. So you guys as well told her parents, okay, fine, it's to see then in Mamma Mia to where where they're like, I told Bill, I just sold Harry, I told many, many people that's what happened. So you guys are the first at us out of our inner circle to know. And we're so excited like think about a you'll see you'll read all about it. We're going to post all the details about it. There's a couple of frontiers and this and that. But it's just a really fun way to be able to connect with us more about we had to bring this group of people that are so obsessed with this stuff together. It's like there's no way that all these people that listen to this podcast that wanna talk for hours about Kim. Dashing sink, like you guys want have to know each other because it's just ridiculous. Like, don't you think? Yeah. Like and also we want to be able to talk more about the stuff that we actually care about, and like show, you is funny behind the scenes stuff of our count. And the thing with our main account is that like it's very content heavily made it of we made it a point to not post ourselves. You never see us closing ourselves. You never really see behind the stuff on our main page. And that's for a reason, not everybody's interested in a lot of people are there for the content also be the high volume of celebrity followers. So we're like we need to create this community within our community of the, like the OJ like the real people who fucking a friendship dating service. Yes. So you'll see more about your soulmate on our patriot. But we had to tell you because we're so excited and holy shit. We just can't wait to just talk that all the stuff you guys even more which to take one minute to tell you guys about stamps dot com. So here's the thing. No one really has time to go to the post office. You're busy, who has time for all that traffic parking lugging around packages. It really is a hassle. And that is where stamps dot com comes in. It's one of the most popular time saving tools for small businesses like ours. It eliminates trips to the post office and saves you money with discounts that you can't even get the post office. So, basically, this out works stems dot com brings all the amazing services of the US post office right to your computer. So whether you're a small office, sending invoices, an online, seller shipping out products or even a warehouse, sending thousands of packages a day stamps dot com can handle it all with ease. This is how it works. 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First Kim, and Connie was their fifth anniversary and Kim announced her MRs west collection, which sold out in seven seven minutes. It was inspired by the look that narrow did for her on her wedding day. It was like a six piece and a couple of six P center. So that retailed for one hundred dollars. Total for all of the pieces. Yeah, God, what a deal less than kylie's at one twenty five her skin care deal guys. I think the Kardashians are onto him. I think they're going to be very successful is just so insane. I also something that someone brought to our attention was talking about, which we talk all the time is when it sold when it sells out and then they restock. It's like, okay, how much did they put in the initial stock? Well, this one didn't restock ever knows it limits with limit usually with limited editions like this. They don't restock interesting. That's why. That's why the resale value so high, it's the same, you know, they kind of do with this, what they do a street where where it's like you create such a limited market, that when resell it because there's such a high demand because it was so limited in the first place. That's when it gets sold for three four hundred late. That's when, when prices are astronaut Michael, so the way she did it here was like, okay, limited edition come get it. Only a few of you have people want one crazy for it. Yeah. It was it was the packaging was beautiful. It was all pictures of her on her wedding day. But she just looked that flower wall literally cooking bury me in that I, I know I know do you think that it's stuff flower? Well, it's a missed opportunity now to say can't believe they would I can't believe Connie being the artistic slush sexual like fee. He wouldn't. You know, only got a candidate fuck also further anniversary they the game. What would you rather have sex against Kevin Connie's wedding flower, wall, or on air Drake on air Drake any day of the fucking? I agree. But I was just talking about the question. Now, if that firewalls pretty iconic though the flower, while was I contact. But number one who knows has it was a number two day. They weren't they weren't putting something that was flimsy wins. No, that was sturdy. I, I like to believe that let me just very quickly walk you through what an experience having sex on air. Drake would be you don't need to walk me through what I think about it every day. You walk up those stairs. You know. Oh my I can't talk about it. We, we got turned into a fallen plan. No, no. We can't smoke. All right. Let's move on what I wanted to say about their anniversary was that Kim surprised her with tickets to selene Dion. And Kim was in this very cool. Wait kind of bedazzle jumpsuit and Connie was the exact same off that he worked the mecca which clearly was another attempt at just making himself blend into the background just really likes that Jack. Now, I think that it was, it was totally intentional of like this was Kim's moment. He was saying you know what I mean. Like he wanted her in selene to shine. He could've put on a different black bomber, by the way. That's what I'm saying. I think it was intentional. No, I. I think he's still to let her shine in a different black bomber is what I'm saying. Like I you don't need. But I guess he was like I don't even want to debut, another little off brand for you to wear something to us lean on concert that he also were them met gala just seems very offer him. Yeah. Knows in other like Kardashian, cosmetics news. So Kylie skin, which were all so anxious or into spitting the response, I did a lot of research. Okay. Remember how people were so negative, when it first came out the Wilson, let's grab have you seen any major backlash yet? I personally have it and I want to be clear. I'm not just I'm not just using my sources from what Kylie posted on her like story of the tweets. She's always going to put the positive ones. I did a little research on Twitter and people the people that I saw we're talking negatively weren't talking negatively after they used it. Yes, I just not that I don't think it's a great product. I'm sure it's great. I believe the only thing I will say that the reason that you haven't seen anything negative yet, maybe is because all of the criticism towards the product were long-term effects, not short-term, totally. But I'm not just on you wanna wise. Like I was curious about other things to people seem to really like it from what I saw again. I don't know. Let's we I think that next week when we do this, we'll have more to say because we'll see what people are saying. But I'm just curious. I don't know. Why was so fascinated to see the responsibility? Why because we're fascinated by it all, I know it's, but it's like listen. I love Kylie, death. I'm not straying from yesterday to makeup. Life's just not gonna happen. Whoa. Folds would discover Neutrogena face when would you I would ensure from anything I put on my face see? So she also had a party about the launch which was insane. And this was one. Yes. We got so many people sending us a James Charles was there. Yes, he wasn't there for me. And as we know, apparently everything is, is fine with them. And she was never following him in the first place. She also had a lot about beauty influencers Patrick star was there jogging was there. Don't you think that's such like a the joke's on you? We were never even friends in the first place. It's a weird comeback to me. That's what everyone said. They're just not responded to it. It's like what's worse that she followed you or that you guys, you guys are friends, and she followed you in the first place, and I understand the irony of this is that we always talk about how we don't believe that celebrity followers really speak like volumes because, you know, celebrities don't use Instagram the same way we do. Whatever. I just think it was very weird of James Charles to come back and be like, Hodge jokes on. You should follow me. Like it's like okay who's the job really on seems like it's a little bit more on you still. I know then I think back to like, just not following Halley for the first six months of their marriage. So honestly, maybe they. Saying also Jordan's apps and was very, very heavily felt oh, I think that was the first time where I was like there were other events that they have posted Rosa Jordan's not there. This was the first time I was like. Oh, yeah. At fells Jordan, like every picture, she posted every it was like, that's Jordan should have been totally agree to be friends again. I know. I mean, the whole their conversation at again I just want to wait. I'm waiting for the Jordan episode of crashing to come out and everything it's going to change our opinion. On the way we view the situation. No, I mean I think that we've you've really rationally like it was fucking up, but she was also what twenty years old, twenty one years old. Like the whole thing was fucking after the episode you are not going to be like, wow, I understand why Kylie in her can't be friends again. Because right now like I wish they were just friends, and I don't I don't see a reason why they can't get. I do understand why they can't be friends. I could understand either way, I can understand Kylie taking the approach of like she was so young. It was a major fuck of or I could see Kylie taking the approach of like this is my sister. If you betrayed her, what would you do to me? I guess not understand. I guess understands the wrong word I'm saying, do you want them to be friends, again, be able to move past this, because I do because the way I mean, I guess, thing is the way Jordan told the story was maybe not the whole truth. And maybe we're gonna get culture. That's what I'm saying. But from the way Jordan alone told the story it seems like. Highly almost a little bit wrong for not forgiving her. If it is the way Jordan told it, what I think I'm saying is, I think that our opinions could change because I think more details that were withheld are gonna come out about maybe part of the story Jordan left out or that she downplayed or, or that kind of thing. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. You know. When you ask if I want them to be friends. My initial response is. Yeah. Because I always felt like Kylie needed her as the point of grounding, and kind of as her almost like her other half in a way. But then when I started to question Jordan's character. I was like, we'll just Kylie, even want some unlike that around I still. That's where that's where I haven't landed yet in terms of, you know, just chalk it up to just being a dumbest day because the twenty one year old would totally happened that I get. And I thought the backlash that she got was crazy in not fully warranted. But at the same time is that a is that a bigger indication of her character that we don't know about NATs. What it is because if it is, then I don't want to be friends with her. And it'd be we can. I just say one thing that I've got also a lot of people say that Jordan is so much better off without the Kardashians. I'm not saying if I agree or not. But it's it is an interesting thing to think of it. They're like she's living her best life. She's not entirely shadow. So maybe for Jordan's ache. It's better not to. I don't know. I've heard I've believing that one though. Yeah, I don't know. I honestly don't know how I feel because. After red table talk, and she said her side of the story, I felt really bad for Jordan, like I really had a lot of sympathy towards her in the situation and the way khloe treated her as an adult talking to child when it was, you know, reviewing the fact that the way Jordan told the story, she was at the wrong place at the wrong time entrusting Kester, and that was the story if there's more to that story than my sympathy for Jordan can change. But as is with the information that we know that's all I'm saying with the information and Jordan side of the story, I want them to be friends, because I have sympathy for Jordan, that I that I feel bad for that she ended up in this situation and I almost feel like. It wasn't entirely her fault. And she got I don't know. I don't know really put down because of this and really made to be this huge huge villain. And maybe that's not who she is a maybe her character isn't in question, it really happen. The way she is what I'm saying is I think that as this comes out in the story comes out, and we see the other side of it that could change. Totally. And I would I would I would go as far as I say, it, it wasn't all her, clearly, it was majority Tristan like, well that we could just ahead. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean we have to see I don't know. I'm very excited for the way that this will save him a much larger conversation. Absolutely. I also just want to talk about in other in other party news, Scott's party. God, happy birthday, Scott. Seriously? First of all, as someone inbox us, like you daddy, Scott was hot uncle Scott is a whole another fucking level. He so they had. So I don't know who's house. It was. I think it was his house in California, but I'm honestly, not sure it wasn't one of the Kardashians. How's it was either his or Sofia's, if he has our own house? I, I don't know. I kind of think it was his because of the light floors. It was dark. She can really see, but they had a very low key birthday party that's through for them at through for him. And all the kids were there. They were dancing. He everybody was in like, super casual clothes. He was in his town was outfits. They had a photo booth where there was a picture of, you know, of course, Soviets on him had pictures in. There was one where it was him. Instagram Afia Instagram of him, Kylie, her Courtney and Scott. Oh my God. That was, I have to say, I think, so FIU and Scott have an incredibly healthy relationship totally agree. I've not one bad thing to say about it. I think. That she blew me away with how mature she has blew me away. That is not an easy that is one of the most difficult situations to get into and. I think it goes to things one, she is beyond her years, way, way beyond her years. It doesn't it makes the age gap seems so small because of how mature responsible. She has a house. She's hand this situation and to, I think it must prove how good Scott star because for her to put up with a very difficult familial situation. And I'm not saying that it's negative it would be difficult. Whether Courtney was the happiest nicest best person or in the whole world or the worst, it would still be difficult. And Scott must just treat her so incredibly well for her to be willing to, you know, make this whole thing work. I agree. I've nothing else to add to that. I completely agree with that, when you said, also Scott flowing, the candles, with Saint a little Scott, I am telling you girls are going to start calling their boyfriends unconsented nutty. I needed a minute when I saw because first of all the cutest fucking kid in the entire world, and then he wouldn't Scott like motions for him to come over with Saint. Juliet. We're losing. And then he picks them up and they will add. No. It was not. Okay. It was okay. In other Scott news, he did this cheeky undercover interview which I watched and it was like the real. It was like the real me or I forget exactly what was caught. And he basically goes online to like core, and read it and Facebook, an answer all these questions, as himself and one of the question that they asked him was his greatest accomplishment in life. And he's like that's very easy. It's three Penelope racing. Mason in rain, which was so heartwarming. And he also talked about people were asking him. I know you didn't watch people are asking him about his fucking, do you know advise that amount the amount of things that you didn't watch? No. I was saying that, that's why you're being quiet about it. It's fucking dark just pull the straight. Lhasa only if you listen to the other subtle, Reverend ha. Ever. I wanted to tell you in Syria action. That's I fuck on. I wanted to pretend that tonight seen just watch it later. No, it was. They asked him his secret to like being tan all the time, and he was like, well, I kind of just the really mistaker. That's how it works. You kinda just lay out in the sun, and that's it and I was thinking he is always hand like thinking about he always has a glow. He's a glowing kind of guy he lives in also California. I know but he I don't know. I guess I acknowledge him is like having a glow more than the others because you know, he's not getting a spray tan. So. Yes. But I think he his t- tans differently as a result of, of being Jewish not Armenian to exodus naturally. It's a different. It's like they're more. It's like me. And you more all their olive like me, and Scott gets tan in a little orange glow lake you. Yeah. Totally true. Any other things. Oh, kendall. And Ben Simmons broke up, which is interesting because her vogue article had just come out talking about well, wasn't that it was talking with them may be getting married. But it was kind of didn't shoot down the idea. It's an shoot down the base is the reason I was, so interesting is because it was the first time that she'd really spoken about him like she never talks about him. And then it's like it comes out. And then like what a day later, they break up. Yeah. Probably why they broke up. Yeah, there's really nothing to think that's why they broke up where he was like, whoa. I'm not ready for marriage and you hinted at it. No, I honestly don't because I think she's so chill in that sense. Like, I think she's the last one, especially seeing all the chaos in the family. She's the last one to want to rush things. I think that it just didn't work out because of the travel schedules. They were cute together. We the reason that we can't even talk about this at all. Like excitedly is because we know nothing and I and I respect by Canada's wanna give us anything, but it's so hard to almost fake excitement or interest in something when it's like I, I know nothing about this. You tell us nothing. I guess I just think they're cute together. Because he's tall. Yeah, I guess that's all I know about them. They're like he's handsome. She's gorgeous Iran. Yeah. It's a good Cup. I mean he's no Tristan in my opinion. Looks wise, but. Lebron uploaded a video. They're thinking of Rome, fucking God, like just take out everything bad about Tristan for once I get robot the Brown. Uploaded, this video of him interest in dancing in the backyard of some house. They looked so fucking sexy and swaggie and just like hot, I don't have any other words like hot weather, but it was interesting. They tagged, I'm gonna fuck up his name, T Genesis. I write who is Molina's boyfriend. I don't know if he was there. He Genesis for everyone that doesn't know sings I'm in love with the cocoa, right? And I don't know if he was there or if it was just his song, they were dancing to. But either way they tat him clearly like they know him. And it was just interesting that, like Molina's boyfriend is still so close with tristen in light of the whole situation. Vanden Milica probably texts. Abroad, not Genesis, like no more. No more play dates with trust though. Or no more nor publicized plates, someone someone sent to tussin because in the background, you see the house. Out of the White House and someone center doesn't. It was like is that close house, 'cause hell not. Last thing I want to say is that some west is already trademarked they. Yeah. They have to trademark for kids. They gotta imagine just like part of their. No matter what just for no reason. Okay, sir. Anything else we forgot that isn't on the outline that you wanna touch on anything that just happened that we wanted to talk about it. I came the five minutes in between episodes. We're checking phone. Yes. What the Lamar thing. Oh, yeah. So Lamar talking more about this book, that's coming out from darkness light. And he's trying to make it very clear that it's not just a book about the Kardashians and has relationship to them. But it's really about overcoming obstacles, but one of the stories that's now merged is, he told a story about one time when Chloe came I guess he was hallucinating? I don't know. And Chloe had asked his friends for help a militia unclear on the story about the way they described it. But either way, khloe went downstairs the basement, which was like, quote, his man cave, which I think we had seen on keeping up with the crash we have all the time, and she like knocked on the door and he grabbed her by the shoulders, he said and was like, are you embarrassed for my friends like a fucking kill you like you don't. What I'm capable of like he was obviously high out of his mind. He was saying he was just a lot of it in the book is just him talking about the different aspects of his life, which you really like as to hold the intense amount of regret. And there's just so many things about their relationship that we just didn't know I, I guess it started to unfold that he was unfaithful in that he was abusing drugs, but it never really came out until now that he was forceful with her that he was threatening towards her in any way. So it's just interesting to watch continually unfold, and there was another story that came out about Chris end khloe walking into an apartment into his apartment in New York, and he was like having sex with the stripper or something in there was a ton of girls in there and Chloe like I guess, like when after one of the strippers like pulled him off. I think there are so, so many stories that we would die to new know that we may not even get out of this book. But that whole relationship in that whole story is so interesting. So feel for Chloe for, you know, being able to go through all that in being so public at the time and not we had no idea, no idea. Do you think she's okay with him talking about all this stuff? Do you think he ran up by her? Yes. I think that there is an incredible amount of respect between the two of them now. And I think that I think she wants people to know about this, and she never wanted to disrespect him by saying. And I think that if he's saying is on, on his own terms, she's okay with it. And I think that he's, you know. I don't think this is so much tell all about the Kardashians. And maybe that's why she's on board with it. It's more like here are my fuck ups in here are the things that happen during my relationship with Chloe that I was upset about not so much. Here's all the behind the scenes things about the crash. Here's Chris did. Here's what khloe did, maybe that's a little bit sprinkled in, but it's not the focus of the book. And I think that's why clothes okay with these things coming out because. You know, none of this is unfavourably towards khloe. You have to understand that like in, in a scenario in which, you know, you're married to somebody who's, you know, abusing drugs, who's a sex addict, who's cheating on you khloe probably wants people to understand what that was like vertigo too. But I think she loves Lamar so much that she would never embarrass him like that. And I think she's probably just relieved that he's telling it on his own terms and everything that's coming out. Is the way it happened in. He's man enough in own an owning up to all this. So I, I don't think she has a problem with that. I completely agree. I think Schnee I don't think so. I really don't. I think they're both. I think everybody in the situation was probably happy, almost one that he sharing his truth. But to if anything think it makes them, look better, like it makes clear, look, even more like a writer died than we had even thought she was, which we think she is so much, you know what I mean? It really know that's gonna be fucking interesting. I don't even know. Okay. I think that that is. All right. Anyth- any other things through. Chance. I have nothing else. I don't either. I wanted just reiterate that we are so fucking excited about the patriotic on Sunday. And again, it's of like they'll be, you know, when you go on the website once it's up you'll see the description, but everything is. But it's just the hind the scenes on one level, it's kind of a behind the scenes look at the account and just some random should that we can never post. We've so much funny shit that we post on our personnel council like we'd love to post. But we can't like for those of you who knows this were very funny for those who actually care like you will care and yeah, I just wanted to talk about details and just stuff and guys we're so fucking excited to be really it's going to be really good. I really think it's going to be. We have a lot of ideas. We put a lot of work into it. A lot of times it's been in the works for a while now. Okay. Guys, we will see you next week Lee. Love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, remember review rate, if you feel so inclined and.

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IPR Radio Program 6 - A World of Indie Music

"The In the PODCAST radio. Hello and welcome to the program six you're listening to. Radio on the world of indie music. Mile Away Kim. AM We team for. Their graven. CanNot use. to bail. I'm just so sick. This. y'All speaking to. Only. you know. Maybe, I'm just fallen way. County. Don't think about. The. Times. Understand, not everything is missing. Big. Calm and you. Feature. were. were. You said the. Stupid Again attached to mess around. They they know everything of. Maybe just falling. Counting down. Day. John Wick. Oh. Baby, fall? Blow. Don't they? Distance. Everything is. figure. Call. Ban. figure. To start to. We're GONNA figure. Thank you Was Old see brigade and Ben Kramer singing call me when you land. If you check out the IPO playlist, you will see that the new series of Ip are of. started the lovely. Elisa. Edens, is I out of the blocks with a very up close interview about life as a singer songwriter. Ben Kramer of old see Brigade is also scheduled on an IPO up up-close program later on in the series. So press that follow button and you won't miss an episode. Go. Shines on. The. You'll see my. Don't have this thing. The lineage. Few have. If you run away. Just take the signs in you as you. Singing to you go. Still. Dream the one I missed the. Swedes of now. Felt lack yesterday that was long ago. Fell black yesterday. Don't have this thing. Darling. You feel you have go If you run away. State sons with you as you. As you go. You. Don't have to stay. The is view failure of. Those grass getting your way. Hold this sunshine with you as you go. A hold this son sign with you as you go. Ho. This As you go. From Perth Western, Australia Jordi Maxwell and as you go, my name is George Autry and you're listening to Ip our radio. Tell myself to pull it together. For List. Of. The best of Indie folk. From Pennsylvania in the US twin sisters. And the Shita Lula they make up the learners. Who is Only. About anything. Let me. Just finish saw. To. BE FALSELY Suber. Security Gone All. The. Drive. Is. Twice about. Got To answer. Really. Can put you. Your. Own. Blew. ME. Just. Switch Zine. Honey. Does. Just. Become. How Honey. Honey is for you. Uh. Is for you. Honey Dr who who is a Twice. About anything. That was highway honey. From the LAWA's. Seductive and sophisticated the weekend. Australian wrote. So, what happens when you mix jazz folk and rock? Yes. You get a fusion called cinnabar. As. Gotcha. Swayed. Waited for my own. Read me. Just to. Shine. The chairs. they stole shallow angels of Fire. Gone. Daybreak came. To A. Is. A fog. The SKID CAGE Check. US. Shows. They still show. Zero. And soon. Angels of Fire and Snow from cinnabar that was Sebastian and. Price from their album projection. And yes, you've guessed it cinnabar are already booked in for an IPO of episode. So once again, press that follow button and you won't miss an episode. Hey. My Name's Steve Benjamin's in the song is called a little kindness to sit beside. I always think of this as a summer song. It was written to be sort of ingratitude gratitude for for bodies for lakes for kindness for time. Life can be confusing and uncertain but. To learn to resolve the mystery of life with gratitude and That's what I was thinking about when I wrote this song. And Grey legs. Body is being. Amazon. Funnier. Deny. Detainees. Switch Happy days. Spirit voices. Brody. Sweet lie. Precious thing. To sit beside. Holders close. Style. gave us. Hold US close we. Do One. -TARIO radio static comes through Stereo Vera. Omar Sal. Under A. Promising. Always in spirit. gave, US close wave. Mother. Make. Keeps. We started. Research. We were stayed. My name is George Country and you're listening to. Radio. And don't forget to check out our new. Series I pr up-close Office guest is singer. Songwriter Elisa Edens. This is indie folk do cawse and then out. Cities always stay. Nine. The paved. As Chase. Why why? College. Order to. Las Fabrication. The streets are. Now. Tired. Well. Sir. Say. The city's always stay. Third. The pavements always chasing. A. Until they were. Aware me. It will just do. Oldest. From. The US, this is lane, Simpkins and cycles. Sure is still don't feel. Do. A. Sometimes Do. A. Answers. Of. Times. True. Song. Don't know FRY. Juice go. Of Times. Try. High. From. This. Tried Sir. Here's another band already booked in for yes. You guessed it again, an Ip our up close interview. This is political lizard. A Display. Oh Do. To. So S. Sure You're listening to IPO radio and the world of indie music.

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Eliminating Microplastics In Pesticides

Sustainability Champions

37:18 min | 3 months ago

Eliminating Microplastics In Pesticides

"Did you know micro-plastics which are basically? Tiny pieces of plastic are intentionally used in some conventional fertilizers, pesticides and other agricultural products to make them more effective. There must be a more sustainable way to grow food and today. We're talking to a company that has a better solution. I'm Daniel Hearts and this is the sustainability. Champions podcast where we highlight the people ideas and innovations that are protecting and healing the planet today. My guest is Sean Smith CEO of Eden. Research, which is based near Oxford in the UK, and even research is the only public company in the UK that focuses on biopesticides in order to help produce. Produce Agriculture more sustainably, their plastic free products and technologies protect high value fruits and vegetables, using natural chemicals that are found in other plants, and it's more sustainable alternative to conventional chemical based Crop Protection Products, so thank so much for joining me Sean really glad to have you on shelf. Life Saturday was great to be. And where are you taking the call from by the way I'm taking it from a makeshift office in my house, which happens to be a fair? So I. I live in in Bath in England so that ninety match inside from. The bath is is beautiful, and I think we're all working our makeshift offices and have been doing for quite some time now and. I think. Who knows where we'll be working the next few months? It's difficult to predict and. You know I guess it's fortunate that we have things like Zun. Another technologies that allow us to do that reason factor indeed so. Today speaking of conversation across different. Across, the country I'd like to discuss three things. Really number one is why. Are micro-plastics used in agriculture in the first place second of all I'm. I'm really interested in hearing about Edens natural solutions. To protecting crops as you call it, the chemistry that you use, and then finally your background, and how you got into the space in the first place so briefly just to give us a bit of context. What does research do? good question, yeah, the focus of businesses on developing products. To address significant problems in. Agriculture, but also in animal health consumer. Areas generally speaking. The focus of all of our development efforts is really very much around sustainable chemistry in other words, solving the problems that people farmers etcetera have using. Approach which is. Not Harmful for the planet, not harmful for the ecosystem or the people are using those products. Fantastic. How did you get started at Eden because you've you've had a background? That's sort of. Moved into Eden reportedly recently I would say. Coming up on about six years ago United Question. I've spent most of my career in the chemical industry I'm despite my my very best efforts to Liege multiple taunts. Inside been funny, but I I wound up working in the chemical industry in because I have my degree in microbiology. Chemistry throughout school and is interested in. Using my degree in some way having. Four years. Of sensible trade easily some of information. Asanga by a Johnston respects in chemical industry, frankly speaking at that time, but I am not going to admit our own school, but. But at the time that I left, the industry was quite. Stay. It wasn't particularly dynamic. Wasn't a lot of change. There was a real focus on commoditisation also differ range of products, and of course the industry had a reputation that was You know, let's say not. Stellar. Ver- for some good reasons batteries. For me, it wasn't an industry that was dynamic as our life, and as a consequence I at one point in my career, began focusing on intellectual property based businesses in. Different business models such as intellectual property licensing. Got Very interested in the idea that IEP or patents could actually be asset of the company Anassa might be something that could be traded. Long Story Short entered facts. At won't micro I left a very good job, honeywell or for within a very big chemical business. To join a startup based in California. And I remember. The Assay, the experience of working on startup was really quite exciting. Back Recall Of the Best Day of my life in the worst and from the same day. The highest those became somewhat. Say Addictive but but exciting and challenging. Interest forget long on the Atkins. Young growth companies, and ultimately that led me. To joining eating. A big recruited primarily because of that IP licensing and more conventional business model Akron. Ironically, not that long after joint decided to change the business model, because I wasn't convinced licensing Right is for us, I think. Long Story Short, but but that's how up here for me. The company represented one absolutely the right time in his in its development cycle. Timing is everything will start. Genuine timing is everything life, but early stage businesses pinal is absolutely essential. The company had gone through a very long. Some adjust just period. Whilst was pursuing regulatory authorizations, its first active ingredients and products, and so you know recognize. Coming was approaching lunching. Cheese over overused fries and for me. It was the convergence at three things that I love. You know it was the convergence of microbiology and chemistry. With industry at commercial vendors and food. You know I I I love. And Macedo say. Might be always after the lockdown but. It's no. I I love. The idea of volume needs chemistry meets meets them. Food chain, and so for me the rose extremely attractive. Yeah, I mean I think you're absolutely right the work that you're doing at Eden which will, we'll talk about right now. Really is I. It's. It's very interesting to see how What impact you're making because Well. I mean really the first question. kind of stuff telling into it as We've. As I was reading about Eden I discovered that there is something called intentionally. micro-plastics and They're really two themes. As we were talking about before we start recording to what you didn't research focuses on the micro-plastics side, and then, of course there's a sustainable chemistry side. I think the micro-plastics side is just as I mentioned. It's shocking because when I hear micro-plastics, I think my shopping bag ends up in the ocean, and then breaks down because of sun and Water Etcetera. Turns out actually that micro-plastics are intentionally used like you. People are actually taking advantage of the chemical properties as suppose of micro-plastics. What exactly what a what what even talking about here? What is actually added micro-plastics? It's shocking to me. It is surprising and in a sense It was surprising to me as well even even with my background in industry. Short the short version of it is not just in crop, protection or fertilizers were were plastics are intentionally added to formulations. Give some benefits, and all elaborate on those minute is also if you look it, has chemicals laundry detergents average conditioners? Many consumer products contain micro-plastics. And this isn't done. For. The actions of a good reason is actually for some reasons. Ferraro ex. And in Crop Protection, what tends to happen is you're producing product which is a formulation, so you're using chemistry and your knowledge of biology and chemistry. Their case to develop versed acidic formulation is intended diverse specific Joel, and within formulation you have, but a call active ingredients so adequate ingredient for example pharmaceutical product is pretty easy to understand people. People know what that is. That's the drug you're taking. The does the job. Protection, depending upon what product you're talking about. In my being funded side or a compound is undesirable, so you're tackling plant diseases. Those active ingredients have different qualities different characteristics, and it's not good enough just to know the bat. Active ingredient does the job. Designing it to do, but it's important you get it. Into the system in a way that to usable, and so there are issues, one of the sheaves called bioavailability in other words. You've got active ingredient. It needs to be available to the biological system in order for the habits effect. If you! If you think about it, you know you have a very insoluble material and is very unlikely to be readily available so therefore he gets more of. In the case of our active ingredients, the reason we use lighter encapsulation technologies because. Our active ingredients are very A. not water loving hydrophobic. They're like wills. They're they're very volatile. Of Bid Line Alcohol for apple that. And that means obviously you have to put more down in order to achieve. And some other issues as well for example, many cases, the active ingredients can cause harm. When used in high concentrations to cross the iron for us is that we're using active ingredients that come from. Repackaging, were putting him into the formation, but actually in on levels use. Those can actually crease damage. The Crop were managing. So in order to achieve a good useful formulation. We in other people, can take an approach which is called micro encapsulation were packaging. These things were putting them into the formulation that useful. In. The vast majority of cases micro encapsulation systems are based on plastics, polymers and the vast majority of the applications. Fertilizers substandard his allies in particular. And also crop protection products is the this is done using polymers, so the Palmer basically forms during the ninety faction process ended encapsulates the active ingredient, so you can control its release light rain. You improve its USABILITY improve. It's Crop Safety Ignatz stable products this. There are lots of reasons so getting. It goes back for point. Susan Don for good reason you know in order to make work in some cases you do have to my cats late. Majority of cases that might catch legend system is based on on. Our case. We've taken a different approach and. was partly driven by sustainability. Interests so. What has oneself to question while companies develop products based on sustainable chemistry if you're not using sustainable formulation approach. And the other reason was because our might. Encapsulation system happens to work particularly well with the kind of chemistry that we work with, but also quite conveniently well with some other third party chemistries as well, which is a real opportunity for us. so I think that probably gets around in a long way. Two Zero Answer. So really interesting so just to to summarize from If I understand some micro encapsulation is basically. Because this is really my first time encountering this term It sounds like essentially what you're doing is you're taking chemicals that? Are I suppose aren't very sticky, maybe or somehow really their intensely in the environment, and by encapsulating them you I, mean you're literally putting like little shell over them and slowly releasing over a set period of time. That's exactly what really wills Dad's you is, you know when you're designing when you're developing a product to do, all you know is partially about what active ingredient using. As partially about heightened deliver the active ingredient in a product was usable and saw the microphone constellation Trenches Verma. You describe your. You're creating a little. You know little castle to but the chemical in so that it does is John Effectively when that's. Interesting, so I'm assuming when 'cause I've seen like I I'm originally from California. which is why sound the way I do and at least in the US. You see all these. Are these over the counter drugs some? Obviously here in the UK to just. Remember more vividly in the in the US where it says long-lasting or you know this is you know it's it. Release slow releasing something like twenty four hour period, so that's using a micro encapsulation technologies integrators. Yes, slow release. Drug formulation. Ken Much can use Palmer based systems there some different techniques that can be used. You know an overlooked are and science, the signs of formulation and It really went right oils. Attitude is using usable products whether they're pharmaceutical products whether they're shampoos and conditioners or or fabric conditioners, etc.. And so there is a very big field in industry at medicine And again it's all down to getting the job done, have you produce actually wants said that's I see yes, so that that's one of the two themes as we mentioned. There is kind of the micro-plastics which is actually more focused about this encapsulation technology rather than plastic specifically. And, there is huge I. Suppose opportunities there because like you said it works well with your. Sustainable Chemistry for In the first instance, it's the Crop Protection, which will talk about it in a second, but what you're also saying is actually because there are these other chemicals like animal, health and consumer products such as laundry detergent. That sounds like you can actually use them technology. the microcapsules technology, which does not use plastic. Across a wide variety of fields. Obsolete and if we stay focused optician, for one minute. The. What we're doing, so we've soul is problem using a non polymer based naturally drawn system right so instead of using last to encapsulate these active ingredients actually using. Of East extracts. We're taking yeast cell, walls. Hollowing this out and we're using on away of deliberate active ingredients, the back to the May I'm what's Nice is that this system doesn't just work with our active ingredients for other people's active ingredients, and what that means is, we have an opportunity to work with other crop protection companies to encapsulate their active ingredients at a much more sustainable way, and that's even. If, we're talking about conventional chemical pesticides it in one hand. We're competing with with our biopesticides products that are based on national constrict. But we feel that we can make an Gordon contribution to sustainable agriculture by providing those conventional pesticide producers with a more vulnerable way of delivering their conventional chemistry I'm is really all about getting the job done in the mess sustainable way you can either take a big step in that ranch Julie Sustainable. Chemistry with a Burger, positive environmental profile I levels of efficacy, or you can take a step in that direction, and they currently used conventional chemistry, and helped improve a role sustainability by getting away from Ulmer base, microcapsule, systems and using our technology tweet branded as sustain with an e. on which is maybe is play on sustainability, but also claims there's no confusion they're. GonNa. It's pretty pretty pretty blunt but. It's also somewhat of applied on sustained release, because of course one of the other reasons why you might come cancellation just referring to. Release Drugs. is about releasing those active ingredients over time. They have opportunity to do either Joel more effectively. Over. And there's ultimately benefits as well which means that those active ingredients can be applied and lower. Yeah. Well, that's. Fascinating and I I think you're absolutely right I. Think it's I think it is. You can't always sustainability just in general, and I suppose this kind of goes through a lot of things life. You can't just jump from zero to hundred right away sometimes. It's a step by step process, and of course there's a lot of room for improvement in many fields as far an industries as far as how we can become more sustainable I think it's much better to. Remove micro-plastics and Continue using maybe some other chemistry that isn't as Environmentally friendly and move in the direction. Of becoming more sustainable solution, and then from there you can hit rate further and further and further, and eventually the chemistry itself or the actual ingredients that you're using to protect crops will eventually become more sustainable. The industry as a whole is moving toward more sustainable chemistry. Not that doesn't just include ourselves, but it includes people that are producing conventional chemicals. Loud I, think we, we all share the objective of giving farmers, the tools they need to feed world as resides like a grandiose statements that is leading an. Antidote allow them to have the tools. They need to do that job effectively, and we collectively are moving toward a position more that is. Very muster by improved sustainability as a first reading is a company be very much in the right place at the right time because. is changing rapidly. Driven by consumer fears which subsequently drive yet retail buyers and toward more sustainable products which ultimately drive. growers to using those types of things on the basis that the regulatory regime changes. Relations getting more and more. Conventional Chemistry points are removed from office. And the alternative growers left with their. Cars which have to be sustainable. Current and emerging regulatory requirements. Absolutely makes sense and so moving over to the second theme of of Eden. We've covered the micro encapsulation which we kind of I started off by calling it really the micro-plastics side, and now. You've mentioned that there's really two sides of Edens. Business you have your tech which can be sounds like it can be licensed out to other industries and companies, and then there's your actual own. At least on the website. It's called biopesticides or bio chemical. Biochemistry that you use to protect. At some when we're talking about crop protection. What what what what does that actually mean? Su So eden. The focus of the company in the very early days, which gets back sometime now is very much for non-sustainable chemistry in the view. Nature gives us law tools. We need to learn how to harvest. Are Those tools? And so one. The focus of the company has days was using plants derived active ingredients to solve problems right in companies very early, the management team was. Looking a whole range of different applications The basis of what we're doing. We're taking. Plants derived essential oils. And were isolating. Some individual chemistry is in those essential oils to deliver a benefit. On. Simple terms is quite a complex actually but pleased. Yeah the the. CROTTS. Immune Systems Net stresses. In America clear demonstrable why? There's a multitude of ways which they do that, but one of those Tuesday produce these active molecules, the defendant from various threats whether their tests, disease or stresses embarrass cons, and so what we did was we began to focus on classes, chemistry turbines and you'll find her. In the environment. They're abundant in our. Food the day in day out one of our active ingredient actually comes from close. Will one of them comes from? Time boil so the time. So. These active ingredients all come from essentials, and we worked out by basically developing products based on a combination of three of them. We can tackle wide range of different problems, not just in crop protection. Agriculture but also in human health. Animal Health Consumer Centra and so that's been the focus of our product. Develop average. Our main focus is in sustainable agriculture. But we're working in animal health we. We have a very good partner for animal health. Which is based in U. S. around whether they're based in the US were on view up which I also. Local might. My accent has changed over the years of trying to place it. Yeah, now I, will I grew up in Kansas city allow. Burger guest answering, but. Yeah, so we're working with US guys in Kansas City developed parts based on chemistry to solve problems facing impending animals. Sang approaches taking. Back ingredients hatching using our mantra cancellations, holidays can produce effective efficient. And delivering them to treat dermatological disease for example on dogs. And exactly the same approach is being taken in consumer reports. We're working with a few partners to develop products that for example can treat headlines on children. Getting the same exact APPREC- taking planning arrived essentials older active ingredients packaging him up formulating women deployed and living alternately consumer that a very well known product sites in acted. So basically what I mean essentially the the benefit of using these essential oils is that you're not? I mean you're basically taking what's already available in nature from. Rather, than needing to create something from scratch that where we have no idea what the potential side effects are exactly you know in in fairly simple terms, you know when we develop products based on natural compounds, generally speaking the the environment and Flora has developed ways in which to do those. So we, we don't have the kinds of persistence issues. You have with some conventional chemistry. The the violence you will hasn't adapted to has developed a way in which those compounds can be predecessors in the environment and some home hounds. Recent, some synthetic chemistry. Can Be extremely persistent in the environment. And you know we've heard some very good examples. Is a good example that. A part, which has an extremely long persistence in the environment doesn't go away readily has to be treated in very specific way to to get rid of it. Natural compounds tend not to have that Tondo profile, and they do tend to have environmental face very positive that the reached the degradation very clear very well known, and so when I want to over generalize I am general but. There are always exceptions, but the point is that if we were to make a general rule that this would be to say that naturally derived chemistry tends to be more sustainable in the sense that has a better environmental face. Yeah, well, that makes sense I think as you're saying you know the The fact that it's. Not as harmful, and it is based on kind of natural, not kind of I mean it is based on an. You're using natural. Chemicals allows for also post-harvest applications, which sounds to me like a relatively rare. Opportunity. says. The industry is is well developed, too. They're kind of at least anyway. Two types of. Treatments that are developed to provide an improvement in shelf-life ultimately. So minimising food waste one is the application Certain products such as arms in harvest than translates into post harvest benefit. In terms of extending shelf lives etc, reducing disease when products going to storage, etc shows, and the other is a post harvest treatments. And we believe that our have applicability better, but that's not the first star which vote is. Working with a couple of our partners in particular. In fronts and across Europe to look at the development of a product for post, harvest benefit applied prior to Harz. Particular facility, not in France with our artists. Sania grow in France and to develop as an improvement to harvest disease can call. A. Lot of people don't realize it when most when their kids. For consumption. As. In supermarkets by consumers. Typically those apples to storage Most of them are sold last fresh Mitchely to storage and. Distorting some cases for several months under controlled circumstances at what tends to happen is. The apples into storage stores are closed. And in that environment disease emerges it. Isn't tyler also that the? Armor would open that store. And see a large percentage of their call and storage has been attacked by Ernest primarily fungal diseases that affect apples and so as consequential been doing work working. To apply just before the time apartments. and. That translates into storage and. Say. Basically reducing disease pressure. And beyond thereby reducing food waste which. Yeah, let's a huge. Benefit and actually there's if you're familiar with project drawdown, which is like the hundred most effective solutions that we currently have to reverse climate change. Very recently. This project has announced that the number one most effective solution we have to reverse in climate change is basically reducing food waste. So these kind of applications. Has Huge implications. They have huge economic implications as well as exactly. You can imagine a farmer spending an entire season tending crawled fertilizing it looking after treating it to prevent inside investigations in disease, etc, and getting to the end. Harvesting thinks this is fantastic i. Money in the bank. They put the food in storage and. Off! You know this is A. This is a massive issue for farmers as well so it was all out. You know productive agriculture is also sustainable remarks back. Yeah I completely agree and am as we're as we're coming to a close here. One one question that I think people who may be listening to this and certainly me as an individual. Is there anything that we can do just like as me Daniel hanging out and going to the supermarket or anything that we can do to support your work in to encourage either farmers or other producers along the supply chain to? Use these more natural. Solutions. Yeah I mean there. There are few things. I start off with the one that comes to my mind first, but you know when people are looking to support companies like eating. And our partners who are developing sustainable solutions for problems that face mankind as a whole. You were day in day out making investment decisions, looking at companies in who we shouldn't star are hard at money into, and so I would encourage people to really understand whether investment, dollars or pounds or go. And to wherever possible to invest in companies like eating when there's opportunity decided to support the work. Listed Company as a consequence. You know if you're investing your funds, you might make some decisions about what kind of companies you do want to support, and you know as you mentioned the said we're the only listed company. UK is actually focused on sustainable. Agriculture. In a in a more direct way. People can assist. They understand the the providence of the food that they're eating. That they talk to the retailers, Nice, I look I want more sustainable crops i. want to understand how things are grown. I. Want to understand what pesticide residues other on these crawls on. What are the things that we really benefit from our arguments? Benefit from is the fact that a all our products are based on active ingredients that are exempt from maximum residue limits in a year without names deserted farmers don't need to be concerned the time which they apply products a prior to harvest. They don't need to be concerned about residue reporting or any on. Take place to them. Because again were exempt from these residue limits. which is really useful in a really consumers as well I mean in the president's institutional for farmers that translates directly benefit for consumers and. Are Glad. Lucky sense that are active ingredients have recently been allowed in the EU. As in organic agriculture and Again, you know wall sleet. We supplying Conventional Growers Avenue Organic Growers Now. Having Consumers Zor while where what they're eating. Palace grown, but the standards are is extremely useful and having the lobby retailers supermarkets with plus it meet. The Standard is the base that is very useful for companies like us. We're focused on sustainability. And of course the farmers were focused on sustainable, so she's Yep I think that's all great points. I think it's It's one of those things where sometimes you feel like you may not have enough. Sway just because you're one person at a huge supermarket somewhere and actually I think. And this is kind of a theme that I'm constantly pushing the more and more I realized that we actually as individuals have sometimes most sway because ultimately. As you're saying farms growing food to feed the world in the world is made up of individual people so. I by two point that you made earlier on which is progress towards sustainability isn't necessarily one massive league. Series of smaller steps in suggestions were helping conventional as design manufacturers improve the sustainability expire removing micro-plastics in their formulations in a week week. All take small steps towards much more sustainable agriculture, and in general industry, a man and People as individuals have voice. We also had voices as employees of companies than we can share that vision. The leadership of the companies that we work or Sustainability is important us, so it's is small steps everyday and. Waiting for the big. The big leap. Vague innovation the change if you will is probably under producer, result that none of us like. So if we start every day and we take a small step every day that we looked to take to the next day. I think I will collectively see progress towards a sustainable industries sustainable agriculture in general sustainability for all. Those kind of one percent changes every day every week are actually sustainable just to use that word one more because then we You're not making big changes that we can't keep up with That's a very optimistic great way to to end Thank you for the for the inspiration, so sean, where where can people learn more about you or research? If they're interested in in learning about the sustain products and microcapsule capsulated as well as the Turpin. The natural essential oil derivatives that you're using. Absolutely I mean the main source for detailed information on that is generally our website. Which is www dot eating research dot com? As a listed company, this law formation on their annual reports company history summaries of what we're doing. Such a news updates There were also quite active on twitter. Only Dan et CETERA. So either me or the company find informational sources great. Thank you and thank you very much free time today. Wonderful to hear about the work that you're doing. I think the fact that you have these two lines of business which are complementary and at the same time, allow you other companies to carry on their journey up sustainability. I think it's fantastic, and it's very important, so thank you for for the work that you're doing as well. Really appreciate your interest in the discussion. Thank you very much for listening to this episode. If you enjoyed it gives us a five star rating. And also please subscribe whether on your podcast staff on Youtube and that way you can be the first to know about new episodes. Thank you very much and talk to you soon.

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Episode 4: Eden

What Should I Do With My Life? Figuring it Out From Those Who (Seem to) Have it All Figured Out

43:26 min | 2 months ago

Episode 4: Eden

"Welcome to what should I do with my life figuring it out from those who seemed to have it all figured out I'm your host. Stephanie. Horwitz. When's the last time you stopped and ask yourself what am I doing with my life? Why am I doing this Dr in like this? Join me as we hear the inspiring stories of real people to find out what they did and are doing with their lives. Are they satisfied? Would they have done anything differently? Maybe these stories we will figure out how to bring more meaning and passion in our day to day. Hello Hello. Welcome. Everyone. Today we will be hearing from the unstoppable even Adler. While today, she's a successful software engineer and a thriving leader in the tech community. Edens original plan was to be a doctor. Once she discovered her passion for programming and made the career switch she made it one of her goals to break down barriers and make coding and tech understandable accessible to everyone. Even shares how she made the big pivot in her career journey, how her work became her passion and how she uses her own story to encourage others may be afraid to do so to break into the tech. World. And with that, here's Eden. Shallow shallow me. Dan. Hi How you doing I'm good. You'RE GONNA call me eat in I come from back home but everyone here knows his edits. Can I know? So there's there's this big like identity thing where I've known in since we were little in here in Israel she goes by F N. And it can be confusing for other people but today call you can call me even. Yeah they call you then So I'm really really happy to have you join me today I. Think you have an amazing story I. Think it's inspirational for a lot of people I. Think you're probably one of the most hardworking talented people I know. And you're also very down to earth and relatable You're a go getter. You're amazing and I would love to just dive in so people can really hear your story. So in a sentence can you just tell me what you do? Yeah sure. So I I'm a software engineer at a startup called lemonade. And when you were a little kid growing up, did you ever think? At this age, you would say I am our. Software engineer when I grow up not at all. It's probably the opposite of what I thought I wanted to do. What did you think running to do? I, was premed my whole life. When I was younger I was very creative. Night would always like drawn paint and everything but I also loved animals I thought I wanted to be maybe a a veteran marine biologist but really most of my life I wanted to be a doctor I was I was premed in university I'm always fascinated by people who obviously we know that today you're in the computer science field and we'll talk more about the doctor stuff. But how did you even get to the point where you thought you wanted to be a doctor and knew that was the track? So early on Yeah it's a great question. So I had to do a lot of reflecting sort of recently because basically what happened is I, was on the track to going to med school and was took the cat was applying to medical schools and then all of a sudden the asking why you WanNa, be a doctor and I was like, no, that's a really good question. I haven't really thought about it and you know you need a really great answer and the story it's like college essays so it's like okay, let. Me Take a second to think about it in the more I thought about it. The more it was like you know what I actually don't know this is for me, but that's a separate thing So I think my personality is just I love challenges and I. Always Seek Out Challenges I love trying new things and really pushing myself and I think when I was younger I realized that I didn't realize this when I was younger. But now looking back, I think the reason I wanted to doctors just because. I wanted to challenge in when I thought to myself. You know what's the biggest challenge to me as a young kid? I, thought you know being a doctor was like the biggest challenge ever as young girl I was just like you know. Let me just go after the biggest challenge I can find. I can relate and probably a lot of people do where we're looking for the challenge. We don't want to come easy we WANNA work but I guess what's interesting about this story that you were really on the path for this big challenge Oh yeah. The end you invested. So My Research for years and yeah definitely. And then when you're applying they ask you. So why do you want this and you go? Oh Oh I've been so focused on the track that I forgot to step back a minute and ask myself why do I want this? I'm about to go put myself through med school and residency and crazy hours additions or is in total tunnel vision and it's funny because when I made that of scary decision to be like, maybe I'm GonNA abandon my lifelong childhood dream. And I had just taken the mcat. So a lot of people told me they're like nobody already took the Kanye Mirny you know sort of. Passed one barrier and I'm just thinking to myself like this is just the beginning in. Yeah. So no, that's super brave. So how did you come to that decision? Because that is super brave you are on this path you already in a lot what what was the thing that made? Take that step to say actually, this is in what I want to be doing right now. Yeah. I think I started to think about you know. Sort of envisioning myself in that position, and there were a few things one I was shadowing a bunch of doctors like any good premed student and I would talk to them about their career and everything, and almost all of them tried to convince me not to do it. it was pretty interesting and so after the like second or third time, I would I started really paying attention being like this is not just a coincidence. It's not just one person's experience and I was like volunteers responder. In Israel one summer, and so I got a little taste of that I realized that you know I'm very sensitive person I knew that but I realized that in the context of medicine, it's really difficult. You know the patients you form this emotional connection and for me being super sensitive person I I really feel that deeply and so it would be hard to make inner. Doctor make difficult decisions sometimes and I just felt like that would be really hard for me and against my nature like why am I seeking out a career that's against my nature I should be using my skills of being sensitive and creative and all this stuff to fit my career, and it just didn't seem like it was the most natural fitting thing based on my. Skills in what I enjoy. So crazy. There's so much to unpack so many. Questions and I think. It's so important because it doesn't matter what stage you are at the career. It doesn't matter if you're young and took the cat or in your forties and you WanNa make a change you're going to regardless it's GonNa be a big decision because you put some. Kind of large amount of effort and work into what you've already done. So for being extremely brave what you did, what kind of triggered or turned on this light bulb of Oh computer science of software engineering how did that come about yes? Oh After. I sort of After I decided you know I hadn't decided flat out that I don't WanNa be a doctor I had just decided you know what I'm sort of confused. Let me just take a year off I wasn't able to study abroad because I was premed says maybe I just need a break maybe I'm exhausted from my studies I studied neuroscience and it was really intense just let me live somewhere different to somewhere different. Before my mcat expires in see how I feel so to Israel, that's a whole separate story and I was working sort of nine to five job, and so in my free time I would explore things that I'm interested in because my schedule was so tight in university I wasn't able to explore so. Computer science in programming was was one of those things that I was always curious. My brother is a computer engineer and I would always see him from a really young age. You know working on different projects in things and I think it was. A field that I knew completely nothing about and so it was one of those things where because I knew nothing about it I was fascinated by it and I felt like there's no reason. It shouldn't at least know something about it and he was always trying to push me to at least try it to he really wanted me. To, apply to engineering school, which allowed other people thought I would do also end heading not been premed. I would have done that I, think at the time I was just thinking you know as a pre med student that's kind of overkill and premeditate hard enough. Engineering on top of it. That's I'm like to do that. You truly need fifty hours in the day. I was like, I'm crazy but I'm not that crazy you know So yeah. So it was something I was just like you know what? I've never gotten to try it. I wanted to take a programming course Wa university I didn't have the time or the energy and so I started exploring started looking at stuff online doing different courses and in trying out a bunch of different things than. It was something that. I got a taste for and I was like Oh this is really interesting but I wanna like deep. So It's hard to learn everything at once it's kind of like you know learning the English language you can't learn everything that's out there all at once. But I got little taste of it and I was like this is really cool and really powerful and so I want to dive in And understand it better and see if this is something that maybe I would want to do as a career. So then that eventually led you to participating in a boot camp program, right so that's like a very intensive. How many weeks was it? Yeah. It was five months. Okay. Yeah. It was very intensive as a fulltime program and I was already in Israel and so I figured you know okay I'm already here why don't I just do a boot camp in tel-aviv Actually, when a really when I think about it when I started the bootcamp, my sort of thinking was i. see myself starting my own thing one day even when I was wanted to be a doctor I. Wanted I always saw myself starting my own practice or doing something med tech related when I did the boot Camp I was like okay. I, just want to know enough that if I started my own startup I could no to hire the right people do the right things make the right decisions but I don't necessarily want to be a programmer wasn't mine wasn't like closed off to that it was just that I didn't even know what that means and I think society and culture elite doesn't paint programmers in the best light. You know you think of someone wearing a Hoodie and sitting in the corner of their basement in the darken doing weird things that nobody understands. That's completely not what it is and so I realized as I was going through the five months, I realized that it's totally not what programming is and that it's a shame that people think it's like Nah I think we'd have a lot more diversity in programming if people realize what it really is minnows. Okay. You know what? This is actually very different than I thought it was in maybe it would be something that could pursue as a career. And you did and will after the program you started your first job really in the industry and you're still with the same company, the company lemonade is doing amazingly well. So do you mind just sharing a bit about what you do at lemonade and your day to day what that looks like? Yeah. Sure. So I started off I was doing front end. and. That sort of like I give the analogy of like if you're in a car. You know and you press the button for the radio whatever you're not literally behind the scenes connecting the wires there was like a nice. Interior in buttons for you to touch to allow you to make things happen that's like front end. It's you know the visual stuff you see in Buttons Preston and things you scroll around. That makes things happen in the website. So I did front-end at first. And then moved into devops, which is more behind the scenes infrastructure, kind of staff in scale ability data staff and that was just because of the need of the company was. Really small start at the time, and then I was able to transition into doing back end into dot means is I'm you know? We're an insurance company and I work on the team that does our home in renters product and Condo for the US and so what that looks like is you know any given day I'm adding new features to our APP, for example, a few weeks ago I added a pool add ons you could add coverage for your swimming pool and so that shows up in our web flow and our applications like our mobile APP So I'm working with the mobile APP team in our web developers. All. That stuff that goes on behind the scenes when you push the buttons to make sure that that it works connecting the radio wires exact are when I push the button. Exactly you. Know How to connect those fires? Yeah. Exactly. It's like on. It's also like a watch. You know when you take off the watch face all those gears in things that's the back end. So it's all happening behind the scenes whatever without the pretty watch face. So that's sort of what back end is first of all star second of all, just all know Eden gives these amazing analogies of. The front end the back end because this is one of her passion projects she has many. We're GONNA talk about more of them throughout this chat but one of them is called what the tech and. How I, it's extremely helpful for me. The concept is really. A A way to communicate to your laymen and everyday people what computer science is what programming is and how I can understand it. What motivated you to start what the tech. Yeah. I'll just say that it's an instagram account for now I would love to use something more with it I'm always trying but having a fulltime job makes that kind of hard. But anyway I think the thing that really got me to do it is that when I realized. I sort of in a way still feel like attack outside or you know wasn't that long ago that I didn't know anything about tech I didn't know what it means to deploy. I didn't know it front and back in Mobile APPS didn't know in any of that meant and so. Having that perspective and now being on the other side and being on the tech side I realized that a lot of jargon around tack and especially programming sort of builds this really thick wall between. People who are outside of that world end so That I felt really alienated from that world in that it was you know too difficult to get to the other side and understand tech and beyond that level, and now that I'm on the other side I realized, there's really no reason for that. You know the jargon is just like any other industry jargon and it shouldn't intimidate people and it shouldn't prevent them from from being curious and exploring, and a lot of the concepts are very understandable. It's just that they're called something weird and so it's really intimidating but there's really no reason for it to be that way and so my hope is that. I can make tack and especially coating more approachable to people who otherwise were very intimidated by it. That's all I. Want people to not be intimidated into just be a part of things more. I think communication in tech companies could be a lot better if everyone was on the same page about different things you know between marketing and sales in engineers in port. So yeah, and I started it because I have a CO worker. Who is on the content team and she was always asking me you know there is an issue she runs our instagram account in risen issue with cashing on instagram and it caused you know the number of followers we had to go down something like that and she was like what's going on I heard something about cashing can you explain that nice started explaining things her you know about that in what is that? We deployed something and? I use analogies just because that's that's how I learn and she was like you should do something about this. And Yeah that's how it started. So if people want to follow and I highly recommend people follow it because you'll learn you'll learn so much and I think it really does uphold Edens mission of breaking down that barrier and letting anyone feel that accessible it's at its at underscore what attack yeah. At underscore what the tech perfect. Amazing. So A big something big. You just said and something big. You just acknowledges how there really is this kind of barrier to tech also specially for women and I WanNa know how you felt confident enough to take vat jump because me personally I'm extremely intimidated by coating in software engineering I think I can't do it this way above me it's not possible and I'm wondering. How you felt and how you felt confident confident enough to try, and also what does it look like as a woman in the field and they're really not a lot Nia so I think it goes back again to me just being a challenge seeker, but also when I was. In. High School and everything I was always like the advanced math and science classes in there weren't a lot of women I mean I went to a small school there were weren't allowed. People General, but we let me. So? You know what I'm saying. No. For. The folks at home listening. Yeah exactly. So They're always you know a lot more guys in my classes than than women, and so I was used to that and yeah, I think it goes back to wanting you to seek out a challenge and I think that also kind of naive I had heard that there aren't a lot of women in programming any tech fields, but I didn't really know what that meant. I didn't really know the numbers and so i. kind of was just like you know whatever I can I can do it I can handle it and and it's true. You know you you can handle it and and not just me anyone I. Mean it's challenging it's challenging A. Lot of different ways I think for me. When I started I was not only the only female, but I was the youngest on the team by quite a significant amount of years was the only you know native Israeli on the team and it was a lot. It was allowed to especially being a very young startup moving super fast. There wasn't any time for you know mentor ship or anything like that. So it was tough but there are a lot of women out there who we all want help each other and push each other higher which I think is amazing and we need just more and more of that and you're going aren't you? In project that does that GonNa talk a bit about that. Yes. So I have a friend Barjeron who started women have startup nation and denied joined her after she started it and basically what we do is we primarily right now our facebook page. We. Interview Women in Israel who have a technical background and tell their story the goal is to try to share their stories and. have their voices be heard in push them higher men give them more exposure, and also that you know younger women are even women like us who are you know? Not. Sure what they WANNA do with their lives or looking for something else that they can see the stories and be inspired maybe to even go into a technical career like you know data science or programming really seem to have transformed what was once work into a passion because not only are you from an outside perspective not only are you extremely passionate about the work you're doing in your day to day job but all of these extracurriculars if you will, which is really an understatement other initiatives that you're either running or creating or involved in half to do are on the same theme of Tech Women in Tech. New Immigrants In tech making tech accessible. So how do you explain that you didn't even know this was something you're passionate about and now you eat sleep breathe everything. Tech in this lifestyle. Please me. I mean I think. First of all, I just kind of person when I do something, I'd do it full force one, hundred percent you know either I'm in something I'm not an if I'm in I'm all in and there are a lot of other things I'm interested in or passionate about but I think. One of the biggest things for me is now like I said, you know being on the other side in realizing. That there's really no reason for this huge gap between genders in intact and by the way, it's not just you know lack of female intact. It's lack of diversity. I. Mean there's a lot of stuff but just for my perspective, it's lack of women in tech and. I think one of the biggest issues I realized is just like I said that huge barrier that's put up in sort of this this macho sort of programmer culture raw. I've? Unbanned that's totally a Grammar Yup, and I guess. Yeah I think I'm just really passionate about sort of like shaking everyone in waking them to be like you know even like you said, you know this is something that I'm probably not going to be good at or whatever. That's what a lot of people say. That's all said what I said until I, really realized what it means to be a programmer every day and I realized it's super creative. You know I think. My brother was involved in a lot of robotics things. So I used to think of programming as you have to be a genius. If you WANNA make the robot's arm mood, there's only one way to do that. If you discovered the theory of relativity, it's lame the super genius thing and now you know being on the other side I realize that's entirely the opposite of what programming is. There's a billion different ways to do the same thing it's very creative and an it's so powerful I think that's also something that. Really draws me to it in that. I kind of want to like spread. The word is that you know it's something that is so powerful you can you know make something from scratch that touches millions of people around the world in seconds you know and it's something you could do from your home. If you want to something, you could do by yourself with a team you could make massive companies like facebook and Amazon and Google all those products that people are loving. Netflix's in spotify me that stuff you could make. An it's really not that crazy. So even though it's not for everyone and that's important for me to say just like you know being a lawyer isn't for everyone but I think it's a skill that first of all should be taught in schools at a much younger age because even if you're just having the skills to make your own website or I don't know any kind of basic technological scale I feel could be applied to any field whether you're a doctor, a lawyer teacher you know anything the younger generation is soon, start getting those classes in school if not already, and so I don't want to be a point where they eventually you know joined workforce with me and then I become sort of obsolete or you know I'm I'm not as useful? KNOB, because I don't know these skills and they sort of replace me in that field. So I wanted to get ahead star and and no those things. I think it's really empowering. It gives you a lot of capabilities and freedom and you can make a really positive impact on the world that way. So. Totally. I've I have so many questions and things I want to ask you about it. First of all, it sounds like One of your biggest motivators or something that really satisfies you is the power that wow I can build something from nothing and it'll affect a lot of people. A lot of people's hands yet what other elements of your day or you work give you a lot of satisfaction and what are one or do you have moments where you're like okay. Maybe I shouldn't be doing this anymore that I can't do this today things that are really satisfying I mean when I, finish a feature, an run, all of the tests and everything is green and good to go and I've tested out and it's all working as I would expect any clean nice in pretty code That's a great feeling or when there's some kind of really annoying bug in, it's hard to figure out what's going on. And finally you get to the end of it and you're like. I figured it out. It's kind of like finishing the end of a puzzle. It's like very satisfying feeling like last piece in place like. Feeling. And things that don't feel so good I guess. Yeah. It can be really annoying when you're trying to debunk something in figure out what's going on and. There are times when you kinda. Lose Yourself. It's like going through a maze and you're like, okay I'm going to go right to keep going down that way and then you rise it's not going to happen. So you're like, okay I need to go back to where I was in instead turn left and then you're like wait did I already go that way or did I not go that way and you Kinda lose yourself in the code and you're like wait what am I looking for? I don't remember. and. So there's moments like that where it can get really frustrating. You're like at the end of the day in your psych I just WanNa finish everything in go home. But you're also you don't WanNa step away 'cause you're like I'm too deep into this if I step away I'm GonNa lose my place again it's something that you will figure it out in. You'll. You'll get to it or you'll ask for help you are someone who you're kind of The expression. A Jack of all trades, your trades. I have some friends like you who I feel. Could do anything very well could be excited about it could be passionate about it. I have a particular friend I'm thinking of who she's good at so many things and as passionate about so many things. But then she doesn't know what to do. She doesn't know the steps to take 'cause she's only I. could be a teacher I could be this. Yes. So you definitely from what I know and how we've been friends and I. You are someone who was passionate about a lot of different things and would be amazing a lot of different things. So, how do you figure that out? What advice do you give to someone who is excited about different things and they don't know which path to go down where do they start? I was actually reading something recently someone told me about I think it was Elizabeth Gilbert who talks about hummingbirds versus jackhammers and Jackhammers of the kind of people who you know like one thing and go with it and become experts about that. hummingbirds are more like you described me passionate about a lot of different things. I'm still trying to figure out how to manage that because I think I see myself. Starting one project being super excited about it. It's kind of your add year like like this. Let me do that and then you kind of at least I kind of feel sometimes like I'm not an expert at really anything you know why? All this science. Background and chemistry and biology, and and now I know steph about programming do I feel like I'm an expert in either of those? No and I guess you just have to do. What you think are you know what you feel is making you happy and you know if I were to sit and. Watch programming tutorials It should be because I'm curious about that kind of subject and I wanNA dive into it more instead of I feel like I should know this sin sometimes I find myself. Feeling intense imposter syndrome that I don't belong in this and I'm just waiting for them. You know during our me like don't feel she's still here like what's going on syndrome and that's what's crazy because it's just I. Guess the fact is that everyone feels that unfortunately. Yeah. Which? Because like when I look at you my God she knows everything and. We all kind of, but that's the part of the problem that we do need to internalize that. We are talented. We know these things we have these skills and. Yeah. I guess like my biggest advice and I guess I'm also telling it to myself. Something I try to work on news is try to just be curious and if I'm working on something at work in I, don't I don't know the answer or I don't even know the word that they're talking about. So I google it and you know if I'm curious to learn more. I. Look into it or you know if I'm working on something, I've never worked on before I research it. So I can you know enough to to do what I need to do and also little bit more to do it well, and I think as long as you are doing things you enjoy and enjoy learning part of why I love programming is it's a career that you're. You're part of your job is to keep learning and so there really is no. End To that you know because there's always new technologies coming out. So even people who are super senior in the industry, they're always needing to learn new things, and so I just keep reminding myself that nobody knows everything about everything narrow limits and so just keep you know learning the things you WANNA learn because you're interested in not because you think you should know it or have to know it. Yeah and I think it's really interesting what you just said about how things are always changing and you're constantly learning I. think that's a big motivator for a lot of people because they want to be kept on their toes and it can easily yet boring stagnant like okay. I've done this I know how to do that and it's rain thing every day at work and Oh in order to actually stay relevant and do my job properly I need to learn something new looking back. Is there anything you would have changed your done differently how do you feel about where you're at right now? Young I guess. For me I'm happy about my journey I think I really. I try to use my unique background to help other people and I don't think I would have been able to start something like what the tack or you know. be, able to talk to people who aren't intact and sort of say like like I did this you know. So be sort of an example had I not had my experience. But if I were to, you know if I had a daughter something in were advising her, I would say to not get too. Too Too much tunnel vision about your dreams like I'm all about being passionate and following your dreams and working hard towards them but I would just. Caution people to not dive into that too early because you know when you're young and especially at the age that you know kids in the US go university, you're still so young, you haven't experienced much. You know travel be around different people try different things and try it more than once maybe you know if I had tried programming and I didn't like the course instructor for you know the course I was taking I would maybe think Oh, this isn't for me but no, give it another chance maybe I took harbored CS fifty course online, which is there to computer science course and the professor is amazing giving these examples in making it so fun in relatable and. So give things a few tries and just explore a lot and and then you know see what you like and don't like and and just keep trying things or you know if you're young and in university anyway then choose some kind of career that gives you tangible skills because I think after university not going into medicine when I had this hard science degree, it was kind of scary like the only other option I. Guess I was thinking was to go into research I didn't see my son doing nat follow your passions but keep trying other things too. I think the better chances of finding what you're passionate about is if you try a bunch of different things. That's really good advice. You're very good at. Living out your passions and combining them because on the one hundred I. Think of you aside from the career staff and being a super star I. also think of you as a major people person who likes connecting people house. A lot of friends likes helping those friends and I think you're mixing that really well when you're talking about what the tech and the women of start up nation an old woman tech because you're basically trying to bring people together help people use your story as an example to hopefully inspire people and use your skill set an network. To aid others. Would yeah I try. By the way ever totally paying stuff needed to say all these things about. I really appreciate you saying that because it's not easy sometimes feels like I'm stretching myself really thin. Yeah I wanted to ask Yeah I had like an ideal situation. It'd be you know like one side Hustle, not ten or twelve, but it's really hard for me to satellite on one thing you know if someone's like I have this interesting project louder Blah it takes a lot of effort for me to be like I. Just don't have the capacity for it right now, and it's something that I've had to learn I think it's important skill. To be able to say to say now because it gives you more energy for the things you really care about rain not saying you know saying Yes to one thing means you might have to say no to something out. So is this something you really WanNa do at this point I'm just trying to keep doing things that make me happy and I think it probably the most productive person I know and I think he were in an hour. The, most. Ever, you're putting A. Buying it. Bought it. do you explain that like for me? I struggle with productivity and that I need to be productive and I need to be doing things and I can't just sit even though I need to set and recharge whether it's watching. Doing nothing I feel like I'm incapable of it and I feel inadequate. It. So I'm wondering as someone who is extremely involved in a lot of different how Do you ever deal with that or I think also I was reading some psychology related thing about people who don't remember what it was, but the that it was definitely me as the type of person they were talking about a lot of procrastinating and that's totally me. You know I have a reminder on my phone that every day I remind myself to do this one thing for the past. Thirty months or something I don't WanNa do and it would take meet five seconds truly and I'm just like I. Don't WanNa. Do it so. I definitely have a lot of those moments, but I also feel like I'm the kind of person who the more I have to do more get done in love staying busy. But also I realize about myself that I'm just took a quiz actually recently about are you more of an introvert extrovert and I got an ambivert like right in the middle a lot of people may think I'm extroverted. But, I'm totally not I ne- I you time about this. I was literally going you and I was thinking exactly that I was thinking that I wanted to bring up introvert extrovert but that you but I felt that you're somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Totally I. I enjoy being around people like you said, connecting people and Meeting New People I really do. But sometimes, it gets over stimulating end on the weekend I just kind of crashed and I just WanNa be in my room watching TV doing nothing and it's funny because during covert I've started to really realize that because at work sometimes you know people think programmers you know do a lot of stuff on their own in its very isolating. But is actually very social and you need to be a good communicator in there's a lot of communication and IT'S A lot. It's a lot of stimulation and so when it comes time for lunch a lot of times I feel myself having to push myself go have lunch with other people when really what I wanna do is like find a corner by myself eat by myself not do anything stare at the wall just like be alone. I really need that recharging energy and and sometimes I sort of pushed myself to you know go to meet ups or whatever. But it does not come easily. It's definitely you know me pushing myself in and then on the weekends I just kind of crashed. Totally A well-deserved crash, you Deserve that so much. What what can we expect from you? I think that you're destined to do great big things and what's on your list? What are you hoping to do in your next chapter or in the future? I know you said you might WanNa start something of your own. Anything you want to share. I guess one thing I've learned about being in Israel is to not plan so much when I, was younger I was like okay in four years I'm GonNa take the cat and then I'm GonNa apply to medical and then I'm going to go to med school amendment do residency then you know start a family Blah Blah live in this place whatever in had so many plans and then life happened denied decided to do something else that was really scary because I built up all these plans and things and expectations I think being here has just made me go with the flow more ENC- you know right now I'm really happy at my job. I love the company Love The you know. The different positions I've been able to do in the product what we stand for, and so I feel in a good place in. So I don't WanNa. Say you know in five years because if you had asked me two years ago when I had been at the company for one year, you know it was really hard I don't know if I would've seen myself being here more than three years later. So I think you just never know and I don't mean to dodge the question I eventually you know you need. Like I eventually do my seller, which is important. Yeah. I do see myself eventually starting my own thing. But I don't have any expectations for myself within the next two years three years ten, five years whatever I think I'm just is something that's always in the back of my head like, okay. You know thinking of ideas or you know people who I would wanNA start things with or or wear one. But I think I'm just letting myself. You know let life happen. In. See See if I think I've realized also event sometimes when you plan for things and it doesn't happen the way you plan to it actually can end up being better than you would have planned it i. think I just tried to really go with the flow which is so not what my personality was five years no, like all my friends would be like what? Girl Do we only have control over so much and clearly especially what coronas taught us is that we don't have control over anything. This was amazing and I thank you so much for coming in sharing your story and I can't thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Are you kidding? I, thank you. Inspire me and we're going to say one thing. Yes I just wanted to be now. Let when I was younger and you're two years older than me and when we were in high school and we were in bb Wayel, which is the Youth Leadership Organization for people who don't know and you are president of the region the whole of Michigan region I just remember like you were totally my inspiration. I was like she is so fun and personable and smart and hardworking, and creative and passionate in all this stuff and I was like I wanna be like Stephanie. Into saying that it truly was like you were a really great role model for me. So this has been honored to be here is so much I think I peaked when I was the regional President be oh. No I can't go any higher. But thank you so much really means a lot to me and I. Thank you for your time and we're going to hang out. At. A socially distant something or other sometimes. Yeah perfect and so much. Then thank you so much. This was great.

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IPR Radio Prog 5 - Moving On

IPR Radio

30:48 min | Last month

IPR Radio Prog 5 - Moving On

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Maile Misajon: From pop sensation, songwriter, world traveller, to mother of 3. What Maile has learned about life during her many rebirths.

Get Real -w- Caroline Hobby

1:23:11 hr | 10 months ago

Maile Misajon: From pop sensation, songwriter, world traveller, to mother of 3. What Maile has learned about life during her many rebirths.

"Hey this just in. It's officially fall. Means a lot of things to a lot of different people changing colors time to break out the pumpkins break out the football most most importantly break out my friends at truly hard seltzer truly has only one hundred calories but as five percent ab in only one gram of sugar. Sugar pour container is that can't miss drink of the seasons of pickup and try truly heart Seltzer. Today truly drink what you truly want the laugh in to be. Just blow it off so this episode of get real. I am really excited incurred Miley missile high on. She is amazing. She was a pop star. She sold a million units of her album with Edens crush. It was a pop group. Put together back in the day if like Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake and all of our favorites and she was crushing up there that she toured a Justin Timberlake and I think everyone she was like playing arenas it it was crazy and we just get real about that whole for life starting off as a struggling waitress and then getting this great opportunity and then having that end and reinventing herself often becoming a songwriter. And she's always a songwriter but becoming a full time songwriter. Moving to Nashville in the middle of she moved to Italy with a with a love. And she'd you want for. She went for that one for that love and then it didn't work out and move to Nashville found true love. Her husband became a mother right when she got signed. A record occur deal and it was about to create a solo project. And we just talk about the time Miley navigating them. Hi Mom. Inspirations erasure superstar Miley for Life Really Stove Stober but I still miss on the right off a few hot and I go by myself as myself. I myself as one of my favorites for a long time. Oh you're so speed or one of those friends friends who you're such a bad ass. You're so beautiful. You're so talented are so cut to the chase. Be Real with all of life's stuff off one hundred percent. You're one of those people that especially as a new mom but even before I was a new mom. You're one of those friends that has always just laid out there as it is and you. You're so hello positive and uplifting but you just yours real life yeah. I don't really know any other way to be at this point. In my life I think maybe forties done that to me. Well thank you. Yeah I kind of at this point. I don't know I just think being who I am makes me feel awesome and I think that in my twenties and probably part of my thirties I still fake it till you make it just in general you know what I mean. Just because I didn't know who I was and I hadn't really lived a Lotta live. I think as we get older we evolve and we become better if he's think we're better and moly so it's a huge compliment when anyone says to me that you're real and your authentically yourself and doing the thing so tell me my who you describe Miley as now fresh into your forties and obviously you're saying you you love yourself more we get better like who is the version of yourself of now as opposed to who you the version of yourself was in your twenties. I think today The version of me now is happy. I'm happy. How great is that? We really that like that. Just the ultimate goal to say that you're happy well. I'm not always happy. Let's be honest. I have have moments but I experience like just so much joy. Now as opposed to trying to create the perfect scenario of my life in my twenties and thirties I feel fulfilled. I feel like I'm in the right place at the right time was muscle filling you right now. What's what's filling you fulfill me right now is just waking up every day and having my health and having three kids that I created with my husband be healthy as well and thriving and they're just the half east on on the planet I mean? Sometimes they're a little shits. Don't get me wrong but they are. They just they just create a lot of joy for me and allow me to be myself and then I get to go be creative and You know be a good friend and be a good wife and good sister and yeah. That's fulfilling to me without my own notes. Michael Peter here so this is real life. We're in my house and my we started this park. That's up by saying like Marley and playing Russian Roulette. Sonny's down for her nap. She just went down. I think we have to ours. Hopefully we can get this done in an hour. But like I got the monitor here. Yup dens real embodies like. Yep that's Mon- life you can't go without a monitor. That's like the prerequisite of life as a mom. Okay so if a happy fulfilled guess continue on. I'm happy I'm mm fulfilled and I feel excited like the first time in my life that I've been feeling like excited an eager and just joyful like about life I I you know my mom told me years ago. Probably like over over crying episode about an ex boyfriend or something I was just like. When is it GONNA get easier? And she was just like it's it doesn't get easier. It gets better. It gets more interesting and you roll into your late thirties. And then you turn forty and you like yourself and you get excited about about what's next and that's kind of how I am right now. I kind of feel like you know. My kids are getting bigger and they. They still need me a lot and sometimes the boys shut themselves win. Boys I have twin boys yes and sorry I keep cussing okay. She's back but Yeah it's been a crazy week with my twins because they're just they're going through something where they're trying to show me who they are and and then they'll they'll show me that it they're like really good boys and then they'll shut themselves and I'm like What happens like Mommy doesn't want to clean this up again? how old are they. So therefore almost oh scorn half and it's just yeah they're wild and they're crazy and then my daughter of course is eight and a half and she's a huge help but she's changing too. Oh and she's growing and so I'm in this moment of like I'm eager for what's next in my life creatively and You know it's like the the next phase of my career is going to be happening because you'll be filing just not feel like you're able to focus again on your career just getting sick of I'm just starting to get my feet wet again because I mean when you have twins and daughter you're barely keeping your head above water. Listen as soon as it hits late. September the kids started getting sick because this is what what happens. Fall comes around and it's just push back. I got a lot of pushback. And and being their mom and running the ship at home is my priority already and my job. And when I'm creative creative but I'm not full-time creative because I it's a low. Three kids as a lot in a lot wins. Oh my God is a game changer. I mean I remember being pregnant and just Alexander who is a really good friend of mine and daughter. Yeah she's awesome. She had twins and a daughter just like me and so she she kind of sat me down and she's like listen. It's it's not going to be easy but you know you'll get you'll get through your one and you'll feel like you can breeze and then you'll get to. You're too and I'm like Oh gosh at your to is it like is it easy like good. She's like no she. Then you get to your three and so now we're at four and It's it's getting easier and I'm starting to feel my feet again. I feel like and again back to the what I was saying saying earlier about feeling eager. Like I'm having these moments where they can almost dress themselves and they're going to preschool now and pretty soon. It'll be in school and I'm not going to need me as much. which is kind of heartbreaking Because when you're in the middle of it in the beginning you think it'll never end. Oh then all all of a sudden it just like one day. They're just little humans that can do things on their own and it's pretty miraculous because they're starting to speak now my boys you know Kinda slow slow talking. They had their twin language. That was hilarious and adorable but also really frustrating as a mother. Because you're just like what do you want and the the boot and I'm like what is in the mood and my milk. So you know. Now they talk and they're forming sentences and they're having conversations and yeah yeah it's getting to be fun now and growing and evolving as a woman and as a mother of three in twins. It's like it's just it's really cool and it's really beautiful interesting but it's also hard and I don't like as my as my mother said it's not it doesn't get easier. It just gets better and I believe that because you know there's going to be a totally different dynamic once. I'm back to work and they're often school. It's like the my daughter's going to go into that preteen era. Oh my God and I'm going to be like on my God wait. Where did my baby girl go? I just WANNA weep right now. I can't even. I can't even talk about. She just got four braces on our teeth. Keep this week because this thing. She's they're expanding her mouth in helping it all and I'm just like you look like just different. Amelia little teenager teenager why did I actually. I cried last night because like the not because of her braces because they were all frustrating me and I yelled and I had a bad moment and I looked at her and I just cried and I was just like it. Just hit me like this is my life this is it. I'm in the middle of it right now. I've got to own it and make it count and my biggest job in the world thus far that God's given me has been raising these tiny humans and I think I'm doing a good job to create jobs. I think I'm I'm doing a good job. Yeah and you know what like so emotional. I still consider myself in the hormonal phase. Even though I'm way better sonny's three months old but I still get like overwhelmed with emotion like yeah today. She was laying on her playmate and I couldn't stop kissing her face like I just couldn't stop kissing her and I was like I'm sorry I just have to kiss you a hundred times because I can't believe Aleve she's mine I know and I can't believe she's already grown in three months and now I look at China blue who is a little pre teenager and and you've posted pictures of flashbacks when she was so little and it happened so fast and I'm just like these are the days of our lives. Oh for sure you know like these are truly the days of our lives and yes like sleeping. Who knows what if you're gonNA ever sleep because like your kids are sleeping through the night? Most of the time. They're going to get sick there. All sorts of stuff happened like. But it's like this is what it is it is. I remember when you were pregnant thinking like what are your fears. What are your what are your? What are you excited about? And it's all about it's like you don't even know until you actually hold her in your arms and you become a mother and you look at her and that's how it is with my kids. It's like I told order like last week. I said the day that you were born you changed. My life changed forever. If ever carver and I like you're my first born and and you you changed my life the minute you came out of my body. Can you try to put into words what that changes it is because I never understood it before I was a mother I kinda was like the. I don't know if I want. Kids took me forever to want to get pregnant and then like it took us forever to get pregnant so I had such an appreciation appreciation once we finally were able to even carry a child right but that moment when your child comes into this world it is like nothing thing I have ever experienced in my life and I don't know how to adequately describe it and so can you try isn't your so prolific with words will thank you. It's the coolest and it's the the day well first of all I. I haven't written about this yet on my blog but has an incredible blog tells Smiley Dash Melissa Han Dot Com. Miss a Han. It's M. I. S. A. J. O. N.. Actually Still Mileage O.. M. A. I. L. E. Dash M. I. I s A. J. O. N. DOT COM Such a good blog. And you're so witty. Oh thank you. I'm just trying to be real but your real life but you keep it witty to which remaining amazing thank you. Yeah I have written about this yet but I was kind of disappointed with my birth story. Why because I he he? Since I was in my early twenties I've been doing yoga and I was like this thinking I was going to have this natural birth with Sarah McLaughlin in the background background. And my first baby and I had zero complications. I like war. Four inch heels heels to my baby shower. I just felt like a boss. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa rock this birth and no dural no epidemic in the woods ever. Yeah I just knew I was built for it. I was like I got these perfect sized hips to get this baby out. I just thought I had to go in on. Well it turns out he didn't have gone out so on a blue decided to turn upside down. She was frank breach and she couldn't turn her. The doctor said that you might be you know we might be able to Turner while we physically. We could not turn her. She was a stubborn little girl. So my birth birth plan SORTA changed and up until the day she was born. I was under the impression that we were GonNa have a C. Section unless she miraculously turned and I tried walking on my hands. I tried everything and the doctor on the day that we were scheduled for a C.. Section I said can you check me again and she just kind of looked at me and we're good friends and she just looked at me just like okay and we looked and she's like no she's she's still in the same position. Okay and I just kind of broke down in tears and I was just so disappointed disappointed that I couldn't do it the way that I thought I could do. It and I thought it made me less of a mom. I thought it made me less of a woman and I. What kind of get an emotional an emotional about it thinking there now because I was like what happened? What happened to my plan? Well it it changed and they put me into that. Or and I lay down and like it was it felt like fifteen minutes later literally and my my husband will attest to this. He brought a camera but he was like. I'm not taking any pictures like I'm just not doing it I just I just can't look at anything. It's freaked me out and I love. Your country is so country. The most countries have all people. He's incredible singer Songwriter. Artist producer. All the things that he does everything all the things but I sent an artist singer. Songwriter songwriter producing Yeah Singer Songwriter and producer and publisher and publish. Yeah and the anesthesiologists said okay. Daddy better get that camera and and my husband stood up and all I remember is I heard this screaming screaming baby and I looked up And it was our daughter and she was black hair and screaming with fervor and her voice and she was just the most you know she was so just the miracle of all miracles and I remember we had two names for her and if she was blonde and blue-eyed or at least blue eyed. 'cause my husband is blue eyes. Then she was this name and she was brown eyed like me. She was going to be Kona Blue because my grandmother from Hawaii is from just outside Kona on the Big Island and my I gave her to my husband and he looked at me and he started crying. Thing in. WHO said it's blue and I was like of course it's GonNa flue she had these black? Is this black a lot of hair and I just remember thinking like I've done the coolest things in my life up until that point we're GonNa get into that you were a pop star. You're not gonNA eat. What was it called Auden's crush shows in a band big? Yeah Ban back in like Britney Spears Day Zack in the day but everything I had done up until that point at thirty four years old staring at Kona Blue I was just like this tops. My life like this makes my life and I'll never forget it because I feel I on never forget. It was the best day of my life. I mean it was. Just yeah the hands down the greatest greatest day so yeah you feel like to me. You've been growing this trout and in can you for the past ten months yeah to me. It's like the greatest anticipated anticipation. You could ever have like. Who is is it are you who are you? Are you like in the like seeing her face. Like I just like what are you gonNA look like. Who are you going to be like? I'll never forget seeing Sonny's face this is who you are even know all the layers of who you are but like this is you. It's so miraculous it's it's it's hard to describe anything told you that when you're pregnant like everything's GonNa change the second. She's putting your arms and she comes out into the world and so yeah it was. It's hard to even talk about. I haven't spoken about it and so long because it was eight years ago but yeah I just think that we we change and we grow and we stretch and we become an all of it is is is through the miraculous birth of our of our children. And if if that's what you choose to do and that was what I really really wanted. I remember beginning interviewed for a newspaper or magazine years and years and years ago and it was like what is your. What is your one dream outside of this? What you're doing now and like where would you wanna be in five years and I remember like I want a family? I just want to have kids of my own and a husband and a home to call home. That's that's my dream you know and I think I'm that way too because I was raised by my mom and dad who you big. I have a big family. Yeah I'm one of four kids and grew up in Long Beach California with my Hawaiian Dad and my fiery Irish mom. And I don't know I mean it. We didn't have a perfect family by any means but I just remember the feeling and the warmth of home and what family felt like and I just knew I wanted to have. I just knew that that was something that I want. I reached for you now And I crashed and burned in love several times You had some big adventures ceiling. You live in Italy yes I yeah I mean Yeah Post Edens Kristof like leading eating up to my Nashville days. I mean I my second fiance. Yes I've been engaged twice a long story but my second fiance was from Scotland but his his whole family was from Italy and So I moved. I moved all the way over there. to to be with him and live that life and Learned a lot of lessons and realized that he was not the one for me and although Italy was beautiful and all of Europe is beautiful. Scotland's beautiful He was ultimately. Not My guy I yeah and I broke it off and move back to America and It was only like a couple months later. I just dislike. I'm either moving to Paris or moving to national. How did you pick those two? I don't know I just being in Europe I loved. I'd been to Europe before but living in Europe and traveling back and forth in being on the plane in all the time and just seeing the Atlantic below us and how much there is of Europe. I just. I don't know I was like I'm either going to move to Paris and jazz singer and I don't know be wild and crazy and I don't know or I'm going to move to Nashville because Richard Marx who's an eighties pop icon. Enter the friend. He I had done a Gig with him. After coming back from Europe I did a GIG with him. And Michael Bolton in Michael Bolton Michael Gordon is my favorite of all favorites awesome and it's so sweet. Yeah I randomly ended up singing backgrounds for for Richard and after the show he was. It's like what are you GonNa do with Your Life Mike Question. That's a great question. I don't know I I don't know and he's like you should move to Nashville. He just threw it out there. He just stood out there. He's like you've met all these players. It was a lot of Nashville players in the band and he was like just go. Just go check it out. He's like you're writer. He's like you love to sing and you loved because you've I'm like I've never really written a great song. He's like you will move to that town. He goes your writer. I just feel like I think you moved to Nashville Phil and make some friends write some songs. Roll up your sleeves. Nobody's GonNa give a shit about what you've done your edens crush. You know your past as model roller a singer or you need to go there and just make a life and write. Your story is what he said. Wow and I found that is really interesting and and I remember going And then I met his piano player and the next week I booked ticket while I broke up with Johnny I my axe and then I know I it was in Los Angeles Sandra and I it was just end and I was just I was like I'm done with this. Pack Your Shit and get out of my house and so yeah I I I Kicked him out of my house and was Dollywood and I said I'm I'm going to go to Nashville and I went. I went to Nashville and I was like. I don't know it's Kinda cool but I just don't know Oh and then I told my mom about it. She was like he should just go. Just give it a shot so I rented out my place on craigslist and I moved. I love that about you that you just do stuff I did. I mean I kind of had nothing to lose and I was like a great place to be when you have nothing to lose it is I mean. Let's be honest. I was about to turn thirty. I was a single. I thought I would be married with babies at this point. I thought it would have all this just so many things going on. And but isn't that big revelation that happens to all of this kind of ROMP. Thirty some people do the traditional get married super young babies and family. And that's awesome. It's awesome but then there's a whole other chunk of us that we hit thirty and I don't have shit figured out nothing I was like. Oh my God and you kind of start panicking a little bit. Oh my gosh I remember. I had moved to Nashville. I'd gotten all my stuff here here and I got called to do a gig singing backgrounds for Jessica Simpson. Oh and that was fun because I had been on tour with her before and her campus so cool and so anyways I was in New York and I was actually turning thirty and I was in New York for her press tour and by myself in a hotel room and I went out with everybody. See for my for my actual birthday with the crew and and we went out for drinks and kind of got wild and then I went back to my room and I was by myself and I was thirty. That's a big one and I was alone hotel room and New York City that the lowest put on earth I cried I was like this is thirty I was like oh my gosh. Gosh I you would think I'm in New York City and I'm with great crew of people and Jessica Simpson. She's so sweet and so awesome and singing living the three eight and I was. I was Super Sad. I was super super sad but we were you sad longing for that family life. I was longing being for the right person in my life the right man in my life and roots and I had just moved to Nashville. I had just gotten thrown back into this. You know job and so oh I was just in the it just felt like dusty like I just couldn't see straight and it was like turning thirty. was like it was weird. Yes I know what you mean it was was really weird and then I got back to Nashville after a stint in La celebrating with my la friends and family. And I just didn't know where to begin but then things fell into place police so what fell into place. I just threw myself out there. I just started meeting people I started. He's scared yourself. Yes I was frightened. I was terrified but you know I knew myself well enough that I could make a life for myself. In another city I'd lived around the world him back. I'd lived on my own in Los Angeles. I'd been working since I was seventeen. I was like I can do this. I can figure it out and I was Kinda lonely. I remember like sitting in my shared apartment with some girl. That wasn't even really nice. And I remember crying on my pillow to coldplay records over and over and over such a good it was couching. It was it was a moody. Like have my wine and I would cry my pillow and listened to coldplay and then like I just started going out to town. I started meeting yourself by myself. I just see that takes balls. You've got to do it. Yeah I just started meeting people and then like I started making friends friends. I met my first friend Paula. Winger whose from from Britain. She's from England and she because I just moved back from Scotland she she she was just kind and lovely and warm and She's a songwriter here. And then I met Kelly Archer and then I met my husband who was friends with at the time and Emily Westin Ezzedin. Beth laird and I just started meeting all these people and disregarding yourself just from putting his just yeah just I mean I met certain people are like oh come to this. There's a around. I'm like what around they're like. It's just where the people you play guitars and piano and they sing their songs. I was like okay. I'm just GonNa go and so I just started Cardi meeting people and then I started getting fighting into writing rooms and I started making friends and I started writing and it was like therapy because I just I was Kinda lost but I was kind of not and I was Kinda just finding my way and and then I was like I like this. I can do this and he never just kind of found my feet and started meeting. Publishers started meeting more friends and got my own place and made it my own. And and so yeah. I just sort of found around my I found my story and it was in Nashville and I was like I like it here. I think I'm GonNa stay awhile and things just kind of unfolded you know. L. From from there this just in. It's officially fall. And that means a lot of things to a lot of people. The the leaves are changing colors. It's time to break out. The pumpkins breakout the football and most importantly break out. The truly hard seltzer truly has only one hundred calories but has five five percents. 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A. and Long Beach I think no I lived in Hollywood. You know and I was around just all all Hollywood people and people are are nice. But they're I don't know at the time I think being twenty in Hollywood you just you meet a lot of people that are you may not be completely legit. If you will twenty years old and Hollywood yes I mean you are that dream like oh you did yet Hollywood dream I yeah I what is that. Like to be twenty years old and Hollywood. Well Yeah Lemme exactly in in to answer your question. I'll circle this around. It might be. Take me a minute but do it you know in Hollywood when you graduate. Ucla from when I was twenty one and I I was I got my first agent commercial agent. I was working at a restaurant West. Hollywood called sons applause called Liberty for which which to date still has some of my favorite food and favorite pastries French pastries of all time. So if you get a chance please go visit. It's so good but also it was like my favorite the job. I mean my regulars were like Jerry Seinfeld and Jennifer Aniston and my Guy Johnny. Depp would share his flesh and blood. Oh Yeah Jennifer. Aniston came every Monday night and she nice ice. Oh so sweet. Yes kind of friends in a way. I mean Kinda. The friends were like Jerry. Seinfeld was like you know he would come in. And and and one time Miley. Should I do another episode. After he had done the final episode and he's sitting with like his lawyer agent like Miley. What do you think they're gonNA give me a couple apple million dollars we just should? I do another episode. And it's like you don't need the money. Just move on and say this is what I'm talking about. Miley knows what she's talking about. You know. Yeah just like you just meet these wild and fun. Cool people and Johnny Depp would come on Sunday nights and shares shuten puppet. He so hot so hot I mean I mean I mean come on. It's just the way it is. Yes I mean it was just. That was a wild and fun time you did it at the right time of your life. Yeah Oh for sure and I think that's that's why I appreciate Nashville so much now. 'cause in my twenties just sort of finding myself and waitressing and auditioning and booking commercials shows and TV stuff and it was such a fun wild ride but there wasn't a lot of grounding. My grounding was at home in my family but they didn't they live forty minutes it down the four zero five like they weren't there from every day and luckily I met some great friends who are still to this very day. That I waitressed with and and a lot of people. I met a lot of great people but Nashville has. I don't know maybe it's a southern thing. Or maybe it's the music business here is is more like a tight knit community rather than Hollywood being sort of like this massive conglomerate of like executives everywhere and a lot of them were men that I met. You know it's different now. It's totally different now. But I value my time in Hollywood over those years so much I mean. Obviously the path they're led to my first big break which was edens crash in an how well well that was so weird because I had been modeling and acting and singing a little bit but there was no music community that I had my teeth into in there because everybody meets like. Are you an actress. Your waitress you're an actors right. You're beautiful you're an actress so I took the opportunities that came which was at first modeling and commercials and then On camera you know acting and stuff and the audition came so randomly. Because David Foster's daughter was at the modeling agency that I was and he requested me. And so my agent called me and said this is so random and awed. You have an audition on Sunday in. Its for reality show and I was like a reality show never brand new back though. I mean it's nothing like it is now I mean it was like the precipice of like I think making the band was a was around the same sometimes us which was a big show at the time so I kinda thought it was a little weird of an audition but I remember her saying you're being requested because they're looking for girls to form a all-girl ban and they need real singers and they want you know a girl that can dance girls have experienced and she's like I think you should go? I mean David Foster is world renowned grammy winner. He's huge you gotta go so it was like okay. I'll go and I remember. I went to the mission. I didn't really know what was going on. What was going to be like but there were hundreds of girls maybe even thousands of girls? I was there all day and Yeah just had to sing to dance to choreography free. I had to go into a booth and sing on the Mike and the studio and then I got called back Like till ten o'clock at night and and then the next next day I remember walking out going. I think I think that went well. But I don't know what to expect. Then I got called into a meeting with music music executives and Management Mint and and had dinner at some fancy restaurant. I probably couldn't afford at the time. And Yeah and then like a week went by and then camera showed up at my house house into like we want you in the band and I was like really what and I was like. Okay this is crazy. I live change overnight. Oh Yeah I mean what what happened. I moved out of my apartment that I lived in across from CBS. I had to move out into a house in Lake or somewhere more like that and lived in a house with these five girls. y'All get along. I mean that's a lot the random girls from everywhere together. Who have yet wholly early different lifestyles? And what happened was that they had all been chosen and one girl had mixed emotions like wasn't sure she was going to join the band. So the addition edition that I went to was for my slot for the dropout. And so they auditioned a whole another round of girls so I walked into like a foursome of girls. That had already been through this process so I was kind of outsider a little bit but there is this girl from Hawaii Nicole Scherzinger home. Sure you know she went on to be in the PUSSYCAT Chrissy Kettles. She was like Hawaiian and Filipino. Like me and so we bonded and the other girls were Latin. And they were bonding and so so at first I was like Oh this is going to be great. We're all GonNa get along and then you get into the studio and then jealousy happen. It's going to be a singer who is going to be. There was it felt like catfight. After catfight after catfight and and then photo shoots somebody's in the middle for all all the shots and somebody's ass looks too big. Somebody's boyfriend came to set. He's not supposed to. I mean it was. It was dramatic and you know to our credit. We were young and immature and didn't know what was happening when we were you know we ended up being on the number one show on Friday night on the WB and it was the number one show for a long time so it was a show it was a TV show. It was you can go back and watch it. Oh Yeah Oh yeah you can go back to you like the way you're protrayed. Yeah I mean there are moments that things are taken out of context that I don't know if if we all look at moments were bitches and at moments we were totally telling the truth you know. I think I think it was. It was a real real experience of five girls getting thrown into the juggernaut of music business with no experience and no creative control. I mean it was not exactly Nashville thing. You know what I'm saying. We didn't write any of the music we didn't even know what a publisher was. I mean it was it was kinda crazy but it was also a lot of Edens crash edens crush is the number one show in the WB Edens crash was the name of the band and popstars was the name of the show on the WB could youtube but it was. It was actually actually orients. Really it really was. It was listen. If you would've told me at twenty two that I would have ended up with a record deal on the number one TV show show a number one record and touring the country with in sync at twenty four and playing hundred seats hundred thousand thousand seats stadiums. I would have never believed you. I would have been like. There's no way what'd you take away from all that. Well you know I think it was. I learned a lot about what touring is like. What is it like well for us? It was It was sharing a bus and planes and and automobiles and trains and all of it with five girls who ultimately were put together. You know we weren't. We weren't Maroon Five. We didn't like chooses. We didn't choose to each other each other and start a band and be like. Let's do this. It was an opportunity that we all said. Yes S. two leads. Let's do this so I think it was a great experience. However it made me ultimately go after seeing what it's like tour and seeing how hard you after work and seeing how you have to be out of your home all the time and seeing just the INS and outs of the music business and and the politics of it to be honest it made me realize i? I don't I don't know if I'm built for it. I don't know that I want to continue continues to be an artist. I mean after you know a couple of years of being in the band and touring everywhere and and to be honest. I just kind of got to a point where I was like. If if this doesn't continue on I don't know that I want to continue onto the music business totally and that gave me at first. I was kind of like you know I feel like some of. It's really high a lot of highs like being on the tonight show and you know and the morning shows and MTV TRL experience. I mean it was like it was wild and I think having that experience in being able to say. Oh Oh gosh you know we. We did so records. We sold a million units. I mean we a million US. Yeah and really yeah I mean it was not a big thing it will. I bet you people do. It was a big deal and I think it happens so fast that you know I enjoyed it and I really soaked it soaked it in in but looking back I'm like wow. We did a lot. We did a lot. We had an amazing experiences in a short amount of time but when it ended did and when everybody decided to go their separate ways I remember thinking I don't know if I WANNA go back in that direction that way. I don't know if I'm done with music I just. I don't know if that's what I want to do. I don't know if being the spice girls or doing and I remember it's so weird. I remember shortly after we had broken up. And I've still still was under contract with Warner I was kind of just feeling my feet. And one of my good friends was good friends with like the choreographer of the pussycat dolls the review in Hollywood. It wasn't actually aband- yet. She was looking for singers and dancers to do it. Remember him saying you should go meet her. You should go audition for it. This might be your next thing and I remember thinking like I can't I can't go do that again. Called it but Nicole did and I remember thinking like years later. I'm like WHOA. Now that's a trip like the whole pussycat pussycat dolls was massive global and it was a huge deal but I. It was not the deal that I wanted and it would have been another put together group Oda and the more success you get the probably the hardest to navigate. Yeah and I I know that a lot of that was amazing for her. I know a lot of it was difficult for her to But would not have been for me and ultimately I wouldn't ended up here had I done that So yeah it's Kinda crazy it's like sliding doors the one of my favorite films. It's like you know choosing to go through that door. Not going through a different door your life would be completely different would be completely different. Yup Did you have a hard time coming down from being a star to being like not merely Back to regular life because you're not a regular person but like Oh yeah. What is that like having to? Who all of a sudden not have tormentor taking every or not have people cater to every need your literally like busy going around the world? You'd have a huge team at your Beck and call you're superstar overnight and then it's just does it. Just go from one day the next almost. It's a massive reality check. It had what does that letdown like. And how do you navigate that it felt like shit to be honest I was I was scared. I was insecure. I was what do I do next. I was hard to like. You lost your clout and away. Oh for sure oh for sure I mean I remember. I had a commercial audition. It was a couple of years later and maybe not a couple of years. Maybe it was a year later six months later and it was like for macy's Bloomingdale's or something like that and I remember my I booked it and my agents like Doc It came out and I remember my agent at the time was like my modeling agent. She was like I saw that macy's commercial of you recently. She's like. Are you sure you want to be doing that and I was like well. It's money in my pocket was to be doing more important thing I think. I think it's like you're bigger than that better than that. You know you've you've done you know and and I remember thinking like Oh God this is the world I live in now like. I was just trying to pay my bills Kim. I'm just trying to pay. My mortgage was a loaded millionaire. Honor after you have that. You're just not no and I was in a band but everyone general entertainment industry. Yeah Oh my God. You're on tour right now. You're to raise the money of so much money and it's like no no actually. I made more money modeling and in TV than I did a under a record deal really the truth. So Yeah And I remember Steve Harvey the comedian. Remember Harvard yes. I ran into him on the Fox. Slaughter something on audition and he saw me and he was like how you doing girl and I was like had seen him in ages since I was in the edens crush thing and he was like. Let me talk to you all right so I sat down his office and we were talking about the addition I was headed to this and that and he was like how you feeling about this whole thing being done I was like I feel good about it but I'm just scared to breath. He's like let me give you some advice. Oh this is great and I was like yeah he was like save your money. He said Bassem the land by House. Just save your money and I remember thinking you know. I'd always been a saver and any money that I had made you know kind of like whatever muddy we kind of put away because we're living from city to city at out of a suitcase and stuff but I remember thinking that's really good advice because uh-huh you kind of job to job in La as an actress or as a model then you end up in national. You're like song song and it's the same thing it's kind of like just because you're in the entertainment business and you get one big job and people know your face doesn't mean you rich. And he had learned that to being entertainment business. Like yeah. You think you have this I get it you think. Oh my God I'm star Attorney this is GonNa last forever and then the rude awakening shows up that like. Oh wow it doesn't lasts forever and you do need to save. Sometimes people can be superstars and it does last Italy for the most part it is a flash got to you got to prepare. It's definitely a flash and I think coming down to your earlier point like that. I think it was a reality check but I also was like okay again kind of like what I was talking about earlier about turning thirty and starting over. It's like what do I want to do. Now how do I. How do I survive the entertainment industry? Now what's my next move and I just kind of threw myself back out there and I stopped doing the macy's commercials but I started acting again. I started going to acting class and still singing here and there I was working with my like the first producer at ever worked with outside of Edens crushing. Just kind of feeling the waters of songwriting. Even though I didn't notice doing And then like the whirlwind of falling in love and moving to Europe happened and then I was in Europe. And that's just another rather long story that I don't even need to get into but did you love being in Europe though you know mixed bag I yeah. It's a mixed bag I tell you. Europe Europe is beautiful exquisite and a lot of places. I mean there's nothing like shopping shoe Italy. Excuse me I said that wrong. A Shoe Italy. There's there's nothing like shopping shoe village in the south of Italy. Sure and having your size and having it be like a third of the cost of what it costs at Neiman. Marcus I mean it was just the coolest And the food is great and the people are great. But I'll tell ya living in a foreign country you gotTa love who you're with breath and that was you know it's like it's like living and learning and becoming better as my mom says like Europe wasn't wasn't better to me because I was the person I was with just turned out to not be my better half and I I had to learn I had to cry A. and learn and and and become a different person Sort of being in that relationship with him unbeknownst to me and once as I left that relationship and left Europe ing and got out of there and got back to Los Angeles I was starting to find my way again and all that was a great experience. But you know kind of finding my feet and where I was going to be in my career was right. Around the time I moved to Nashville. It was kind of like this. Took me about four years to be like what. What is my next move? Where do I WANNA be? What's what what I want my life to look like? And I think after experiencing Europe and experiencing the music business and experiencing Hollywood for all those years years it kind of got me prepared to kind of go behind the pen and start writing my story and I think that that ultimately is where I was supposed to land was in the right time at the right time. Well I think because I had more mileage under my belt I had more experience than I had something to say whereas at twenty four using to live I needed to live. I didn't have anything to say it because you hadn't done things you need to do right right now. You know that I lived nine lives. I was thirty I was like Oh this is a new place this new city. This is new friends. New Love New experiences. Like I have a lot to say and that's where I started writing songs and started making friends and ultimately I ended up signing another our deal here which was a development deal. Sony which you know. I kind of got talked into wasn't sure about that but I was like I think I'm GonNa try it. Which ultimately led me to some of my greatest co-writes because putting writing rooms to write songs album? That's right and so I got experience like really what it's like decor right and how all hard it is to learn learn. I had to observe and listen to some of the greats and it was an awesome experience which ultimately led me to making a record for persona that I ended up. Didn't I didn't love. I turned it in there. Like this is good but we don't love it. I was like okay. Great now what you you know. It's like Oh and now what's always another one now and so I ended up making a record with this producer named Dave Brainard and Rope Fi did like a five song ep with him and it was my favorite. I loved I loved the music I loved all of it And it was during that process that I had gotten married and I got pregnant and there you go. It's like here. I was about to put out a record and I was like two and a half months pregnant and it was the greatest time of my life but it was also the biggest transition my which was okay. This is what's happening right now at thirty four or thirty three at the time I was pregnant but thirty four is when I had her. Yeah so and that's the thing for women to of men. I know men have their own journeys women it's like you hit your stride in your career and it's like you also hit the point where it's you gotta you. You GotTa Make Your Decision About Motherhood like men. Don't have to make that decision like women do. Yes they have to make the decision to be a parent and all that and it's definitely a big deal. Offer them too but women like we have to decide. If we're going to try to carry a child on our own you can always adopted. That's such a beautiful and that's a huge huge process Moshe process. Thank you but you have to make that decision like no. Am I gonNa try to carry a child. And I'm in my mid thirties like this. It's now I have to make this choice now to see if I can do it and how it's always because I feel like for me to always lines up where you're just kind of getting to that point where things are really working out in your career. Yup like you're just getting your feet wet. You're finally becoming a songwriter. So I kind of know who you are and what you WANNA do like. I think I can do this. I got cut yeah. I'm getting somewhere. I made a record and like all this is all looking so awesome. And then you ask God you know you want them to answer your prayers. And then he does. And you're like do you feel you have to make a choice. Well it's funny I remember being Before I got pregnant I was having got dinner with a a good friend of mine and we were talking about. I was making that record and and she's like. Do you really want to go out and tour and do that whole you know Like is that is that your dream like. Is that what you really want to do. And I remember getting totally emotional and looking at her and I'm like I want a baby like I wanNA have have a family and I'm thirty three like what do I do you know. She's like I think he just answered your own question and it is i. I think men don't don't have to answer that question And ultimately for me I wanted to be a mother I wanted had I had seen a lot of the world had experienced a lot and I also came from a mom who stayed home with us until she was was like I think she was like forty two or forty three when she had raised four kids and she started her life. She went back to school forty-three. GotTa the job like forty six or forty seven. Wow and looking back that her now she was young and she was like aw she was just so excited to be getting into a new career and I remember thinking like you know just because I'm going to stop the have a baby doesn't mean life is over. You've always known that this was just going to be chapters that you are never sure you're gonNA choose this chapter sure of because a lot of women I feel like feel fear that their life is over when they have kids. But you've always known because you've seen it in your mom that it's not over for you yourself your chapter. No yeah I I think I think there is that fear you know maybe a little bit of insecurity because you know the entertainment businesses. You know it is. There is an age thing there you you know what I mean but I didn't care enough. I care too much about building a family that was that was my biggest dream. mm-hmm and for me sacrificing any of the the bigger dream. If you WANNA call it a bigger dream to you know I don't know to to focus entirely Liane that that's fine too but my dream was to have a family so when it came down to it I said let's pull the goalie or whatever you call it just have a baby. Hopefully God willingly I get pregnant and I get to have a baby so that was eight and a half years ago you know and it has changed my life. I'm older now. I'm not you know young and Perky in my twenties I mean I still think I'm perky but whatever you know it's not You know well thanks. I mean I don't know what you know earlier when you ask me like how do I feel now like I. I'm excited because I'm closing the chapter her. Sadly there's nowhere babies coming my way. I'm closing the chapter of babies and I'm I'm going to be heading into a new chapter. I mean I'm I'm forty three through trying to say that like really embrace it. Look at what you know what I already three. I'm so thankful to be my agent in to be. I'm just eager I'm like I'm excited about. You've lived years so just in writing songs. I'm I'm working on this Docu series that I've told you about and write a bull. Yeah and I'm I'm writing and EPA the whole thing. I'm just I'm I'm just I'm creating stuff and I I don't know I I'm I'm excited about what's next and I'm starting to get more hyperfocused. It's Kinda hard to do that when you're a mom of three especially of a mom of twins. There's so much setback. When you are the mom my husband has got a you know a crazy job? And he's he's always been the one with you know I've been the one in the baby's yeah I mean you know. Write it when I was making my first record in Nashville when I started having babies so you know I've been writing part time over the last few years but I've been raising babies and now I'm closing it down a little bit and I'm GonNa get back to creating and I'm excited waited about it. I mean I'm really excited about it. Okay so I don't know why this question makes me wonder cry. Because I'm in the midst of this question. Yeah and I relate to you so much on the way that you embrace each new chapter in season of your life but from your your early twenties when you move. La You jumped any move to La and you let the version of you from your safe home wife. Die In in reinvent yourself in L. A. as the starving artist and then you jumped into this crushing you let the old version of yourself died to become this pop star experiences new realized then eaten crush ins and you have to let that version of yourself died become this new version of yourself to move to Italy and then you go all in for that but then you let that version of yourself died. It's become this new self that moves to Nashville. I'm sort of unusual. Let that version died to become a mom. You're letting like mother of babies babies that need every second of you died to become this new version of yourself in like. Oh my God you have really let Sony versions of yourself die but to rebirth birth into a new fuller better version. And it's like I admire you because I feel like I have a lot of versions of myself diet also but each new rebirth has been so beautiful and I see that and you and I'm just like you constantly let versions of yourself died to be reborn born and that is scary shit. Oh it's this. It is so scary Miley. But you've done it over and over and over and over again and at the same time time you've embraced all of your friends who are creative and beautiful. And you've been so supportive for them and it's like I just see this beautiful woman Dan you and I think I have so much admiration for that because it is scary to let yourself died and be reborn it is. I'm sorry I know it's it's it's one of the it's so weird listening to you. Say That because everybody that I talked to you especially young girls that I talked to like they always say it sounds to me like you've lived like nine live never does telling you that we were talking about how much life you live before you have babies. And I'm just so grateful for the art of reinvention you know and I feel like so weird I told you earlier. It's it's like having a baby felt like a rebirth for me and I haven't even thought of it now. Is Closing that chapter. Oh that makes me want totally cry. Because here's the thing I'm Kinda Sad. It closed that chapter because most of my time in Nashville I feel like has been being a mother and a wife and by choice. Because I've chosen to stay home with my kids and I'm very very grateful to be able to stay home with with my kids and now it's like I'm closing down that chapter and I'm seeing a lot of my good friends like you in this town. have their first babies. ABC's and it's like it is. It's like I'm Kinda sad that in like a year I won't be cleaning dirty Batman underwear like I. You know they're going to. They're not going to need me as much. You know but I'm excited and eager because just like you're saying it's like I gotta close that door. Let let her die and let Miley in her mid forties be reborn into what I'm GonNa do next and I'm not gonNA stop being on top of my babies. That's for sure because I'm going to be a hands on mom and I want to be there for my kids. So being self employed is really important to me because because I want to be there for my kids and as much as I can and yeah I may not go out there and be songwriter. Veer or be the CEO my own company By choice. Probably because I I don't know I just want to be there for my kids as much as I can but maybe I will who knows. I don't really no. I don't really know what's going to happen but I know that I'm eager and I'm excited about it. I feel like I'm that got him. So emotional. Listening into your chat with Ashley Eicher the other day. Oh man about that one. That one came out of the blue came out of the blue but she's so harshly mentioned the picture picture of herself as a little girl. And it's like literally stop in a parking lot and I started bawling my eyes out listening. Explain what she said. Oh God I don't know if I'm GONNA say it right but it was something about when you're young and you're a little girl. It's like if you look at a picture if I look at a picture of me at like six years old eight years old. There's like wonder in my eyes and I can even look back and there's pictures of me like doing the splits on Christmas. Fear lazing all that you are embracing all that I am and just thinking and knowing that that I am awesome. Yes and you know we get to ten and twelve and sixteen and we lose part of ourselves just kind of like you're saying and I don't know there's this part of me that realize after listening to y'all's podcasts was like that's the excitement I feel right right now. Oh man is I feel like I know I'm not I'm not six and I'm not. I'm not twenty one and I'm not even thirty five but I feel all like excited about where I'm going and what's going to happen and all the possibilities. I mean literally. My mind is bursting with creativity right now and I have so many projects I'm working on. I'm so excited about them all but I'm like you now I gotta like okay. You kids stop getting a cold every fall. Stop getting a cough. Stop making me cancel. My work dates. Because in it's going to get easier as Jesse all my other working moms. That have been doing it while they've been working there like it will get easier. It will get easier sir. Box always says to me. She's like I swear when those kids are in kindergarten. You've got this it and I'm like yes you're right you're right so yeah I'm just I'm excited. I WanNa look I I do. I WanNa picture like of me. When I was like eight years old on Christmas Eve in the splits on the floor after getting done performing for my Grandpa who would hand out silver dollars for performing forming and I would always sing or dance right give a monologue or just make everybody laugh? And that's what I WANNA do my forties. I want to get back to that girl Roland. I want to get back to my creativity and you know. I've done a lot of work being a mom and being there for them to continue to be there for them but I also I'm GONNA get back to self and find my way and I'm excited about. I mean I'm scared shitless too but I'm more excited than scared. I think the the you know what I think is just knowing you so well and knowing your story and even just like getting to hear it all kind of in chronological logical order away your whole life though you have just let adventure leave you lead you and you have let your heart to stay open to the season that you you were drawn to and you haven't thought it you have gone with it. Yeah and if you look back on all your life like we've just talked about. You couldn't have planned any of that. You couldn't plan when it began. You can plan how it would have started. You couldn't ruin what was going to happen. You couldn't plan when it ended. You couldn't have planned when you're find your next thing. Yeah but now you look all of it and yes like I know you experience so much pain and heartbreak but superior beauty and you learn so much to and now how it is made you this incredibly layered deep person that just has this wealth of life that you had to have lived all all of it and so now here you go into a new chapter and it's going to flow it's GonNa flow just like the rest of it has. Yeah because that's who you are. Thank thank you. I'm that is who you are. It's who you are who you're open and like it and I think something that I have learned because I really do feel so connected to the way you've lived your life because I do feel like that's sort of how I've lived my life as well. Yeah it has. Yeah and I just know though that you're get into exactly where you're supposed to and for me and I think this is for you because you just said that I don't care if I'm a CEO. I don't care if I get a big ACCOLADE accolade yet. That comes my way. I'm going to freaking love it. Oh you need to be excited. I'M GONNA get dressed up posting about it everywhere. Yeah but I I also know as long as I get to express my creativity and half of filling work like you are doing and I get to have my family family. which is my dream to? I always had the dream of family. I I wanted all these other things I wanted to be in the entertainment industry. I wanted to be a star when I was younger. But then you kinda tastes all that and you get to have experiences in this like no. I want the family more than anything. Yeah that was my dream to and so it's like now you're combining everything together you'll have your family. Only you have your creativity. You have your roots. Yeah you have all this and it's like if the accolades come great. But if they don't you're going to express express express your creativity the and that is the fulfilling work that you were meant to do and it will take you to where you need to take you. I think it's so true I mean I I do think too. I WANNA point out like it doesn't matter if that's what you choose like for me. I think there is a point in my life and in my career. I thought isn't lame that I want a family like I remember remember. This is a really funny story and I don't know if I should tell it but there was a point I was. I was working as a waitress. Yeah I think this was. There's probably like twenty two. This is before edens crash and I remember there. Is this massive Hollywood director Excuse me not director producer that Just kept just kept hitting on me and SAS may go dinner and One of the one of the hostesses at my restaurant was like. Are you going to go out with him and I was like. He's obviously and I was like no. I'm not attracted tactic to them. A and B. He's married like I'm just no. I'm not doing it and she looked at me. I'm dead serious. She looked at me straight in the face and she was like. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Do you have any idea how your career could change. And I remember thinking like I don't know call me old fashioned or call me just straight up like I'm a heterosexual. I have to be attracted to somebody before. I say Yes to a date. I know that's not the route for me and I was thinking to myself like I. I don't know like when I get married or even go on a date and have a boyfriend like you know. I want to be attracted person I want to also I. I don't want to just get a job because I sleep with someone or go on a date with someone I just. It was such Hollywood moment. I just remember that hostess looking at me like you. You are so dumb like you. I just remember thinking jeeze. Is that how this works. You know so anyways to say like however you choose your life story and whatever your path is whether you you don't have children to you have a full-blown career and you you have in your thirties or your forties or you choose not to have children and you just you know live your life and have an amazing career and amazing friends and family and a partner whatever or if you choose to have nine lives before you have a baby and then you have a baby right at the precipice of having having another second chance at a great career and then you get pushed back and then you have three babies and then you're like. Oh Gosh what am I going to do now but then you find your way in going. Oh you know what I think. I'm going to try this now that I can breathe now that I'm not breastfeeding anymore. Now that I'm not wiping butts everyday you you know and it doesn't matter how you get there. It doesn't matter whether you get married and have kids or whatever is your lane choose it it commit to it and love it. Yes you know your life because it's your life and I ultimately think that I don't know where I would be if if if I would have had this certain life at this person or I would have had this job. That would catapulted me into another job. I don't know where I'd be. I know where I am now and right now feels right. It's not perfect. I don't have a perfect life. I don't have a perfect marriage or a perfect family early or perfect house. It's I always have sticky floors except when the cleaners are there but I love my life. I love my family. I love my friends friends. I Love Nashville. I Love California I love Hawaii. I love that I'm a creator and that I get to create stories out of thin air and if I become successful at it which I hope to be on some level already our success then great. Yeah I'm I'm just excited and I'm so thankful take to Jesus for giving me the opportunity and the breath to to live this life because you know we only have one and I just I just want to enjoy it you know. Don't you think we all have the chance to truly enjoy our lives if we would follow the flow that is presented to each one of us. Yes yes I think you're totally right because you can have really awful circumstances but I do think you can find a way to love your life. I do not know things are so bad. It's like how could Anything anyone be redeemed from the situation but I just think that we all have a chance to love our lives. It's so true I think we do. It's so true and it's not without ups and downs. It's not without cuts and bruises. I don't think I don't think anyone gets through life without that. Yeah you know we all have pain we all we all talk about it. I like to talk about. It's what I do on my instagram. It's like I'm just I love that I'm just me and I'm talking about mostly motherhood because that's what I deal with on at a daily basis. It's twenty four seven occasionally. I'll talk about my creative stuff too which I'll be probably talking about more as as next year unfolds. But it's like I don't know I don't I don't know any other way to be in and we only have one life so you know if I have gray hair and I need it colored. I'm going to you know say I have gray hair and I needed damn colored. Sorry I have to get it colored every four weeks to fucking bad you know. That's just how it goes. Yeah and yeah when I'm emotional and I'm sad and I have have a bad day or I'm feeling ugly about my body and and like you know just be you. I think the world wants to know us all. Oh I agree you know which is why these stories are so important. Which is why? I'm so thankful you started your podcast years ago and went for it and it's super successful and I'm so proud brought to you and now you have this beautiful family and it's like there's nothing more exciting to me and there's nothing more moving and changing in this world than supporting other strong women around you and lifting them up and honestly that's probably one of the greatest greatest gifts that Nashville has given me Amen. To that is a community of girls that really support each other support each other and that I look up to one of my friends just got songwriter of the year. I'm like of the year like Whoa like you know what I mean. It's just like you know. And you've got this great podcast cast and my sister. Just finish this mission in Fiji like saving women's lives because she's an obstetrician I'm like women around me every day are doing doing amazing things. And then they'll tell me I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you have time to write a great piece on the Internet while you're taking care of these three kids heads I'm like really I'm like yeah how do you do that. How do you have time to do that? I'm like I just have time to do it. I don't know and I think it's not a big deal. But then their they're pointing out to me but it is. It is a big deal because you're taking the time to create your art and share your story and put yourself out there which affects people right and it is is important work and it's like we don't always value what we personally do ourselves because we always can see that maybe someone else is doing something. It seems more noteworthy right. Maybe it's on a bigger level or whatever but it's like no you're taking the time to be honest and share and be vulnerable and that is important work and I think it is just so cool like it's even more so I felt this before I was a mother but now even more so that I'm a mother to have this group of women in Nashville who you are so willing to share their hearts with each other and build each other up yes support each other. Yeah it is the most beautiful gift I have ever been a part of it is. He's like these friendships in this true support of each other as women. It's powerful and it's like creating a room Movement in an inner city in this like vibration it really is that just like makes me feel so unbelievably thankful and I don't know how I got to be in on it. I don't know either but it's like a it's like a seismic shift. He'll like the earth plates removing not only in Nashville but across the globe for women. And I think it's because we're having these conversations and we're realizing we don't need to be pitted against each other that's right like the world used to think oh get a reality show and make women caddy patty right. But now it's like you got even experiencing but now that's not the vibe if we aren't caddy by nature to support it to their major that's right there's no it's jealousy it's it's it's God. I'm inspired I'm inspired by my friends. Work by how they how they they treat their children how they how they are a good wife how they're a good friend and how they still manage to do their job. Well you know. I just think it's there's room for all of I mean. We all have a story. Whether I heard it on Oprah actually it was on a podcast probably a year ago with whether you have five million followers or you have five hundred followers. We all have a voice we do and our voice needs to be heard it does and I I really believe that and I I think that's why his platform is really important. And I think that's why I'm here and I don't know I'm thankful I'm Super Thera. Quotes is bloom where you're planted wherever you're planning whatever ever your community is whatever size. People impacting even. If it's just one person yeah just bloom where you're planted and let yourself be the best version. You can be no matter what your circumstances are. Just keep reaching reaching to be better like you said you're just being better each year that's right and I just I just feel like one more thing about women. I think so spectacular that we have really identified in Nashville and I think women are starting to catch onto this. Yeah when women's support each other and lift each other up it makes everybody better makes everybody stronger and women are so good at including MHM when we switch it in our brain because like in back in the day we thought we had to fight for our spot in. You thought that there's a limited amount of space and only one girl could get. Oh yeah whatever that it is that we're going now. We've realized that like when we all come together and women are so good at including using our voices we all all shine. That's right we do. We all shine and it makes everyone better. It's one hundred percent and I just realized crocs I've turned into mom mommy art ars steel on this podcast. That's amazing every day wearing flowered. Crock cut his amazing moment. Heart you are mom and you're killing it. I'm so proud of you. I'm proud of you. Marley you've meal for as long as I've known you. Oh well thank you. That means literally that means so much so much to me. I just love you you own Miami to and I've loved you for a long time too and I'm so glad that I met you me too. I'm not you like one of the first times you like one of the I resigned as you move to Nashville. It was like super early on. I know Jeremy brought over to gin and Jeremy. That's right house back in the day. That was a house party. Yeah because he was. We just moved to town just starting Jeremy. Yeah I I started dating him like probably about four months after I moved to town and so yeah I didn't even been here like a year and I met you you. I got you early. You got me early. I'm so glad you're bad ass your data and I'm so thankful to be here. Thank you for having so I have to wrap up. I have obviously August. We got to wrap up in Sunny. Slept the whole time. This is amazing sunny. Thank you for being such a great baby. She's the best. She's amazing. I leave every podcast sleater light so obviously this whole thing is true inspiration but what do you want people to know. I want people to know that we are all deserving of happiness and enjoy and most importantly family of love So go find it and let it leads you and lead with love. I feel like the one thing I've learned from my kids more than anything in this lifetime. So far is that you know the touch of a mother's hand and or the simple. I love you babe is I think it's monumental. I wish that every child and I'm not not saying that I'm perfect at motherhood by any means. I'm just saying that I've noticed what I get back when I give love and I I just wish that every person that's born on this planet could be loved truly truly truly beloved and I feel like if we can all give love we can change the world for the better and that is really my hope for everybody. I just want to cry. We're hormonal overhear. Her her me too. Not just I don't think it ever stops it doesn't it doesn't grow up eight and a half years in and I tried this morning okay. It doesn't beautiful thing. I'm glad to be able to feel deeply meets even though it hurts me to feel this as much to feel as much love hurts. I know but you know what that's the thing. That's so miraculous and how God made it. It's like to be able to feel that much. Love is it's painful unfolds painful. Oh Trust me where your heart out here on the outside of your body effort forever till says that about me. Yeah can you imagine I moved to Europe and then I moved to to Nashville breathe. I don't think I still don't think she breathes. She just bought two tickets coming to see me. I don't think you can breathe because like now I look back on my parents. Like Gosh they let me have so much freedom and go chasing go fly and go be myself now. I'm looking at. I'm going to get an apartment wherever you move and I said kind of blue wherever you move move coming to you. I'm just going to sleep with you and hear full sized bed and you can go on with your life and do whatever you want but just I'm just going to be right there next to you. Okay yes same you be independent but just having next to you. Well thank you God for giving us a love as big as our kids because it is truly. It's truly the best gift in the world and I'm so glad you got yours. I feel so thankful I just have to be. You have to live in the moment because the fear I know oh the fear so big. It's big big. You cannot give into the fear because you would miss it all. If you give into the fear and I'm not saying you don't give him a fair sometimes because I have to check myself get out of the every day. Yeah I know I know it's it's it's not gonNa ever go away but what a gift right. Yeah I mean I'll I'll I'll be fearful till the day I die because those kids mean everything to me and I think even when you are your mom's age like now she's sitting there thinking like of course I'm just I just think about twenty four hours of the day but I was sitting there thinking about like how my parents must feel about me now. How crazy though to see your tiny baby where I am right now grow into your four year? Old Twin boys grow into your eight almost nine year old Kona Glue grow into your forty thirty six year old woman that I am grown your forty-three of women that you like as a parent to be able to be blessed to see your children become that has to be the most incredible journey of your life. It is as I think. It's the most incredible journey of your life. I mean my mom. When she's around us four kids we call her a pig in shit is she has? She's just she just smiles so big and she literally early like she makes a face with her nose was she. Looks like a pig in shit like. She's so happy holding her GIN Martinis Fun. This is how she was never wanted to end. And it's just it's that's where I get it. It's almost like ridiculous. How we get around are are the family or people that bring joy because this is it? This is the things in life that is about. I mean this is what it is and so yeah I'm I'm I hope I'm a pig in Shit Shit too because I already feel like Pickin Shit. I mean literally say a pig in Shit for the rest of the shit that that's my my mom. I want to be a pig in shit and I want you to be a picture. Everyone gets to be a pig. Shit yes me too. That is my prayer for whoever is listening today. I want you to be a pig and shit like we are. Oh Aw Jesus thank you. Thank you Miley. I love you thank you be too great. This was the best buy situated on the beautiful cable. Beach Mar is a spectacular new resort destination nation in the Bahamas with your choice of three ocean. Front hotels the Grand Hyatt. SOS and Rosewood. 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Episode 23: Tony Kanaan, WoO Drama, and Much More!

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Episode 23: Tony Kanaan, WoO Drama, and Much More!

"This week the Iranian gown show. We get something we've needed for months. Things quickly go downhill. Oh I don't get a bell for that and indycar champion Tony Conan Talk. Show time of go down now. Have TO DEAL WITH MY WIFE. All this more strapping. What the I racing dacha time your host Greg West. I'm back the boys cabinet bobby and Tony. I mean Chris Leoni. Thanks for the upgrade. Well you know. I'm an indy. Five hundred champion. I had no idea you've you race there let alone one. Congratulations now I had no idea I want anything either as might be our best intro ever. I'm here for you. We got a good show for you guys this week. We're going to talk about world of outlaws new content special events we got. Tony can on he Talked Kevin and your offer a little bit yesterday. Awesome interview. Great Guy. We're GonNa talk about what's going on in the real world NASCAR in the week ahead in I raising boys. How are we doing great? That's awesome revealing another one of these. Now that we've SORTA figured out how to do it remotely so hopefully Hopefully the last week was well received. And we're trying to get more on a regular cadence with these going forward. What's the chipmunk status with Bryn since you're home right Yet ran is guarding my my front door So if you hear any barking is because either. A chipmunk or squirrel runs by and she's super protective of me so. I apologize in advance going on. Chris. How's Life? Now you've been in quarantine settlers are you not quarantine because you're sick or anything but you are been stuck in your apartment for what the last two months by yourself. Well fortunately it's been a house but yes our how. Sorry Ya my My poor girlfriend has had to take care of her parents across town and redoubts on the frontlines essential worker with a with a company that does packaging for food. So I have been out on out island for two months in as we joked about before we got on the Air I think it explains a lot of things man. I was better when I was Tony. Kahn can I go back to be Tony Finan? How Kelly Are You Leonardo Dicaprio? The aviator yet Box Yourself in your house and never mind moving well. I don't think I don't think it's got Matt Bad. I just man. I just need to find a recycling bin. For All these coke energy breaking representing. You guys can see right now. He is taking a sip with the label out some day we'll video. That was just a fortunate coincidence to how they printed the CAN. They don't always that way all right. Well let's get into it this weekend. Ira Sing. We have the world of outlaws going on David. Hileman an outburst. Battling Chris and it's becoming quite the rivalry of those are. There is no love lost between those two. I mean this this. I racing world about Las Energy Sprint Car World Championship. What a crazy battle. It's I didn't know. Thank you Amazon. Ren running now it has been a really intense championship battle this year and last year. Alex version on kind of walked away with it had five victories. I mean the wind count is almost the same this year but the championship has been a lot close and the last lap at Williams Grove. I mean first of all. Let's not bury the lead with the winner. James Evenings takes his fourth victory of the season. One Guy James had a couple of bad performances that have kept him for being as close to Alex versions. Maybe he should be but you know. James Edens is certainly found the formula the bunch of races final lap at Williams Grove. This past week contact which we hileman. Berge on the. It seems like around felt like he owed highland one from a couple of weeks ago when they had some contacted. I think it was the Lucia but There is no love lost between those two. And if you if you watch that Monday broadcast hileman jumped into the booth at the end. He he had his rallying cry. He was basically rally up the troops. And saying you just say there is no way I let Alex version. We met championship again. Coming to Charlotte and I wouldn't doubt pass David. Hileman doesn't get Alex version on the ride of his the run of his life in the season finale but versions got enough of the cushion. Where if he runs his own race I think he can lock up that second straight title but you can bet but there is no more motivated driver probably in the history of world of outlaws on. Ira Seen Right now. Then David he still looking for his first win of the year is GONNA come into that. Charlotte races defending winner and not only that back contact between Berge Rhode Island. Dropped him all the way to six. The what you're saying is is that people who tune in on Monday night to watch this. It's going to be a heck of a race. I am absolutely saying people do. It's going to be a heck of a race all right. Well we'll get some may at nine PM Eastern Right. I racing sports network nine. Pm Eastern. Monday's not to be outdone by the world of outlaws race. Kevin we we brought in a little bit of new content yesterday as well announcement. Alex Horne another great Unveiling and yeah that was. That was a fun video to make. But yeah the the Ford F. One fifty is finally here right Only been requested for you know a couple of months I guess right members have been Have very for that. Didn't he never heard anything about it? So Yeah No. It's exciting to to kind of get that done behind the scenes right. Nobody really knew we were working on it. So that was cool. Video is fun to work on And it's what's cool about it as well. Obviously it's it's another WHO'LL NASCAR vehicle but it comp-. It completes the roundup of the top three series. We've got all the cars now so really makes it a complete package from NASCAR perspective So that'll be coming out When's our Bill June? Second I think is when we're shooting for So couple of weeks from today So that'll that'll be great If you're a NASCAR FAN awesome if you're not you should try it I mean trucks are some of the most popular racing on all of I racing. So it makes sense that we would want to complete that and make that That Ford truck available. Everybody has a lot of fun running it when we did the video. Race racing around Texas Pretty decent setup to that was a lot of fun lot of donuts. Lot of outtakes. Appreciate your guys going slow to let me stay in the picture. That was nice of you. We had to stop. I wasn't GonNa say it that way but not to be outdone by releasing new concept. We also had a great special event last weekend. The IRAS our last two weekends actually at the I racing open and fixed indy. Five hundred eighty five hundred Back back with us for the first time in a while Chris what were the numbers we had over? Five thousand people right. The numbers that I'm looking at three thousand two hundred sixty one in fixed two thousand five hundred thirteen for open. Total of five thousand seven hundred seventy four when you add them up like that. So all these mass. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people so I don't think Kevin you didn't get a chance to run him one. I Know Kristen. You stick to the dirt stuff. I was afraid very afraid. I stick to win. My wheel is working so I don't WANNA go mouth steering not everybody in the public health. We know we know some people if that's the impasse. If that's the excuse. We can fix that but Iran in the couple of myself Had had some good runs had some knock. It runs finished. Second might the best one that I had came down to a fuel mile had to pit with three to go that was a little bittersweet but good racing the guy that was your engineer for that one. Alexsandr well SORTA he was. He got wounded. We were we were racing. I just WANNA and who can blame on the poor strategy see? Here's the thing. I was going to finish second no matter what. 'cause Alex and I were in the same split and Alex's Freaky fast I think he was up by like six or seven seconds he was way out there and Eric. One of our vehicle dynamics jumps in our discord and starts talking. Alex being the Nice Guy is starts answering more questions. During the indy. Five hundred inches drove into the wall and dinged up the carpet. So hazzard thing staff so. I inherited the lead. And I'm I realize it's GONNA be fuel. Mileage raise everybody else start saving. I'm at the point of no return so I'm just flat out hoping that they're they're to have to save enough that I can make the Delta and make my pitstop and it just. It wasn't the case so yeah I felt I was either going to finish second to Alex is going to finish seconds to the other guy. They ended up winning but There's a lot of fun had another one. I was leading got wrecked with nine to go. Just you know. I racing and IRA sing. Sometimes but a lot of fun. A lot of sweat I got done walked upstairs and and look to me said go shower so it was a good time. That's probably my favorite special event of the year We're making another announcement today in the form so we have the twenty four hours Allama. So those details will be announced Hashtag RUMOR HANDED. There might be a staff vehicle in in one of those races true. I can confirm I feel. I don't know why again fight it but You invited you. I think we're going to have a pretty good Pretty good team of people didn't wreck the CAR Daytona. So maybe that's why I got an invite. I feel like that's a direct jab. Feel like taking SAS. Maybe taking shots I mean I realize that I drove to the office to thirty in the morning in the middle of you know torrential snowstorm owning to get wrecked out. But you know team player. Yeah while we appreciate. Don't take shots at nine thirty in the morning. Time SHOTS. We can take shot moving anyway. The MOSS coming soon we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA feel the team and I think I think it'd be pretty popular with the members as it usually has maybe crystal race with us. Let's see Yeah Chris. On the spot depends. Do you guys want somebody to wreck the car? Two thirty in the morning because we've got that covered. That jobs aren't taken then. I don't think you have used for me. See Iraq see. Bring also so yeah. I've I've dump the staff card twice now. I can have a reputation on though we have a great interview this week. Great Guests Tony. Kinan newly addicted the IRA singer. Think he'll hear him admit. That himself sat down with Kevin Na yesterday and we talked things I racing so sit back and enjoy I. We're back in excited to have twenty thirteen indy. Five hundred champion Tony non also big time participant and our I racing indy-car challenge our invitation pro series that we've been putting on for the last what month and a half Tony thanks for joining us today. Thank you greg. I mean my pleasure. My background for people that don't know me. I'm be racing indy-car for twenty three years. I'm forty five years old so I'm not that young and I've always enjoyed You know racy in any sorts so This is this is me. I own my own team and Irish were. Aj Four than indy-car. And I own my own team racing. So I'm responsible and it's my fault where everything I do in that game. I think you're a pair. Bill is is cheaper than Aj's that is a good thing about I- i- racing you know it. It's just sorry. That was my alarm for my interview with you guys so you know that that is the beauty about you know. The SIM You know little guys a little story about the SIM Greg. You probably know already because Greg if you guys all know this was the one that helped organize with indycar races that that we did all of them that I didn't finish by the way I manage initial single one You Know I. I've always loved the Sim I always. You know. I have four kids. They're always into it and I for the longest time avoid it. I said I can't have this at home. I don't want it at home. I'm busy Of course I've have apart from the four kids I mean full-time racing and indycar trying to get ready for the racist. Traveling sponsor commitments. I didn't need to add another thing to my schedule. So you know as much as I tried to avoid it when you know dependent. Mik Hit INDYCAR. Came with the idea is still said. You know what I'm not GONNA buy 'em I'M GONNA borrow from somebody so when this is over I can send it away and this is GonNa be it and I had my mindset well like Greg said what a month and a half later I have to fool simulators at home. There I probably bucked every single person in the entire Irish office. What to do not do how to get my license my Iranian and things that you know and I've been in this thing Pretty much every day since it. Kinda slow down now. Because they had to make a deal with my wife spent probably the last month average of nine hours a day on this thing to try to get better because I was really bad. I mean for people that are listening. If you guys are on I. Racy you know how long it takes so you're trying to teach a forty five year old although I can put you on the Racecar To try to beat the kids there are born doing this. It's kind of. It's the same thing that you come to my side and say I'm GonNa Drive Indycar Indycar in Indianapolis I'm going to be Tony is today. I introduce I racing into Sam into my life pretty much so I'm very scheduling guy. I have a bunch of things to do apart from the kids in the house chores but the workouts I also do. I remains on my free time so I have three hours a day that I you know. Granted guys I you know I race for leaving and we're not racing so for now. It's three hours. We GonNa have to see what's going to happen by June six. Were coming back racing so but I Basically my schedule consists. I'll wake up five. Am I do a workout until seven? We get the kids out of bed. Around eight o'clock I go to the gym for an hour and a half. I'll come back and then so from ten thirty to one thirty That's my time on the same in the mornings and And that's what I've been doing every day. That's awesome that's awesome. I have to say that that watching the what we call the in car cans which are really kind of in living room cams during the broadcast you had a look of focus and determination Every time we cut to you so it was It was cool to see that you are. You're that into it Racing car they don't show you know. I think I think there's the people need to understand that if you're GONNA play video games you need to buy while Games which I don't even want to give props to the people that you know which we all know what this is. A real SIM. Then I take it very serious and I think the way you guys. I racing those at trying to make cast as we are possible. You can't take it a Nazeer then when I'm it's in the race is race race. That's the probably my wife said. You know the best thing about this. Maybe she was probably the only one best thing she thought hours hours of. It was not I. Can he probably the face that you have when you're inside your helmet and your real race car? Which is quite true. You know I mean I'm I'm pretty sure I mean I got a couple of shots when you guys actually Greg semi the show. My face and I was like Whoa. He's intense for me. It is I think very serious. I get really frustrated You Know I. I'm learning now to take my frustrations out on people's all because of the one thing that different on my racing than the real racy you can actually talk to the guy that just took you out of the race kind of like sometimes you gotTa Watch it. Just a lot of people know me you know who I am So you gotta be careful what you say but I mean it's it's been unbelievable unbelievable experience. I really like it like I said in I'm trying to get my wife kind of so we can I can spend more time on the salmon. She's not be as mad as me as as yours in the path. So your wife you said she made you put it in the closet right. Yeah so here's the deal With the little kids. It's quite tough when you talk about especially when you try to to build a proper Sim you know some people have no means and thank God I can so I I wanted to the best of the best and you spend a few thousand dollars on the SIM. You don't want your four year old bullying wires or doing then you handling went through your daughter just throwing the off you know. So she's like look. You need a quiet place. You need a place that you're not gonNA yell the kid if they if you're winning a race and they come in and try to talk you and then you know so. I said okay. Well we we. We built our house. I mean we'll we'll call the closet but it's really like I I'm like I said I'm a workout freak. So we build a kind of gym upstairs and then became the gym the closet so we have space. But yes it's inside my closet on my side It's a very tight space right. Who needs close right so I It's quiet it's awesome. I love it and the Second Sim. Now that it's hers. We have his and hers. We are building right beside it in her closet. So we'll see what's going to happen there. That's excellent says. She turned any lapse yet. Or are you still working on this Well you know. We're going to talk about this race where we were you. She I I did. A as your advice greg. I put her on in Michigan with a Formula Mazda car which was flat out and So for her was easy. I haven't put her in a road course yet We'll see how that's going to go. But in the oval she was like I said well I mean the car slow so tonight we have Is often actually before. We're going GONNA put the kids to bed around seven o'clock and I'm GonNa give her for an hour. I'm going to try to put her. On the real indycar in a big oval for her to be more speed. I'll that's super cool super. We'll see how that's going to grow. I she doesn't let me record it otherwise I would posted you guys. Could THAT'D BE? That'd be great stream but well. We're going to have an opportunity to see her race this weekend. Because we have the better half invitational powered by simply juice You and James Hinchcliffe or kind of the architects of that. Why don't you tell us a little bit more about it? Yeah so the idea came As of appreciation of what they went through for a month and a half. Because you can't imagine you get twenty six guys the race against each other in real life and you take racing away from us and that's really what we do like. We don't have normal jobs. I mean you know I guess. Thank God when you know some people say. I'm lucky some people say I say to people you could have chosen. You know my job but yeah I'm Lucky. And then you add a competition to it especially in cars. In the simulation that is so real they. That was a loss for the whites. I mean we're just GonNa every day I mean you you guys being through for people. That didn't year. I mean we. We are there every day all day. It didn't matter What we said so they they suffer through it. I came with me and Hinch. We came up with the idea. Even if they're gonNA think that because the award simulator in the House and the last month and a half it wasn't very welcoming so for us to try to describe to them the way we feel like when we're racing because they're like you know the girls sometimes they'll understand boys boys don't understand girls so she's like this is like just driving all day. I mean how fun is that. So that's what I do so to get them to do what we so we created this race. We're going to come up with with. I racing. Help come up with a affordable track affordable CAR REPAIRS FOR GIRLS. So they can have a few for what we do. And then we turn out to be a A charity events so basically simply juice implicit juice is actually Sponsoring the Ray The winner is going to pick a charity of their liking. And they're going to donate An amount to to charity so it's a charity event. We get to get the girls to experience what we few in the SAM. Some of them are going get hooked like probably. My wife liked it a bit and then we're going to have more support doing some people say okay. Well those it but we got a lot of attraction. All the driver's wife I mean most like eighty percent of us Of our wives accepted the challenge. So it's GONNA be. It's GonNa be interesting because I don't think I am a coach. I I think I want her to win. So I don't know I mean the pressure we can have a little bit of argument if if she's not doing something right but the the point of the racist just for fun for the wife's to appreciate You know the same also for us in terms of appreciation for the put up on the last a month and with the indycar challenge. Yeah it's GonNa be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. We're definitely GONNA keep voice chat open on this one. I think we'll have a couple of in car cameras now this race. It's two thirty. Pm Eastern this Saturday. It's going to be hosted on the racing youtube channel and twitch probably some other ones just waiting to sign on the dotted line but there should be plenty of exposure and Tony. There's going to be a way that fans can get in and donate to this charity The charity of the winners choices. Well right Yes yes. I mean the details. They're not really set yet. I think inches actually organized. I'm sorry if I don't have all the information but Between today and tomorrow if you guys obviously will be everywhere but on my social media and then from British sure people going to be riposting but the fence can't participate in donate if they want Obviously it's for a good cause and I'm working with finch to see if we can get the drivers to whatever donation. We get a reached driver. We wives we can match it and double it to see for you know we can help more so now. That's that's awesome Last thing we let you go. I know you've got a bunch of interviews today. Tony if Racers want a good chance of running into you on the track where you've been running a lot so after on. I racing. Obviously you're asking right. Yeah yeah so I obviously feel doing the INDYCAR I'm doing a lot of indycar races. This is for me. I mean there's a fueled the official races mean. This last week was the most stressful week of my life with the open. Setups INDYCAR I you know the difference right. I mean I'm used to just get in the car and I come in and I tell people this is what's going on you guys fix it and then I'll go drive. I mean I'm have to do my strategy. I have to do my setup and so I'm doing indycar one and I actually got hooked on the insert. I'm racing the BMW's Quite a bit. I'm definitely not good added. I'm spending a lot of time trying to get better. But if you if I'm on IRA you guys GonNa find me and doing three things any of the Indycar road course or to fix Setups overdose or do the fix the the BMW one point to Serious or they into IMSA races so those are the four that I do normally every day And that You know this morning I was just telling you guys prior to the broadcast. I was leading the the fixed Five hundred And Win Yellow. In for some reason the second place guy decided to take me out under the Yellow. So those frustrations where. I usually you know. Dr It's funny It's another different experience for me with fans I mean when I get in I mean I see a lot of guys. Follow me on. Social media repulsed a lot of people taking pictures of I just race with Tony. Today and obviously when they post those pictures. I'm never ahead of them but but but you know and we talk we chat and guys are like get thrilled and it's awesome it's media not just apart from the Sim and me getting something out of it but it the connection the fans it's great to. I mean they're being really nice to me. I mean people people appreciate what I do. People say man. I'm a big fan of so awesome racing with you and and sometimes you make a mistake. Guy Out and you apologize. I guess you should learn how to drive it. Should I know when you three years later? I'm still learning so well you know. That's one of the cool things about I. Racing is is the community and I think that's one of the cool things about the racing indy-car challenge was that fans both I racing members and other F- regular Indycar fans got to see more personality from you guys right because it was a different way to to see you guys race Which was super cool. And I'm glad to see that you're still able to carry that on. You know in in the kind of the official stuff. That's running with. I racing I know. Our members love racing with with the guys and girls that they see racing on the weekends so always a thrill for people so no no. It's it's awesome. I I really enjoy it. I mean I get to my my my messages in. I mean I have an average of I would nowadays because of the racist that I'm doing so I would say we'll do. I will do probably six or seven races a day. You know because you know you guys staggered by hours and stuff and I get ten twelve messages on my inbox. It was great to ride with. You is to drive a few this and that so i. It's awesome to see and then again. I think we as drivers appreciate a lot more. I racing for us I believe that I actually have to say it wasn't something indycar drivers. Did you look at the platform? You guys have had all the tools but we didn't have many indycar. Drivers evolved them onto him. I mean I know they. Would you do been doing it for a while? Me NASCAR guys. We're doing more often than now. I. I'm the President of the Drivers Association which I represent all the drivers You know I'm the communication between INDYCAR drivers and eighty percent of us. All of them seems now and we all. They're pretty much every day. A couple hours a day we always. We introduced that to our life star training to learn the racetracks and or refresh would say racetracks that we're going to go racing so Thank you guys do for for support because it was awesome. Well we appreciate having you and we appreciate you taking time out today. Ladies and Gentlemen Your Twenty Thirteen Indy. Five hundred champion and the man who Unsuccessfully finished every single one of the INDYCAR challenge races Tony. Tony thanks for thanks for spending the time and look forward to talking to you soon. Thanks Tony Thank you guys appreciate it. Thank you great to catch up with Tony. Kevin apparently was having some microphone problems. I didn't realize that he was trying to talk the entire time. And I kept talking over him so Kevin You. You thought I was just being rude. That was a little awkward. I kept Had some really good questions in there and Greg talking over me. I'm like what is going on here. And then I realized my mic was unplugged. So my bad I got to work in at the end though. I think I've got a question in there at the end so but yeah cool. Talked to Tony. He he was a. It was a lot of fun in the car. Series Re we ran for what six weeks over the last couple of months and a good sport even though he didn't always get the results you wanted you didn't ever get past. He crowd everyone ever got the result wanted but he you know he. He's a competitor. Wants to get better doing everything he can to get faster and and learn the system so austin him as an IRA school member. He's got his allies across the board. Now not bad for a guy that You know just started doing this not too long ago but as you heard in the in the interview when you spend seven or eight hours a day working on it and you can move up so moving onto the real world. Nascar at Darlington. They tried to raise last night. Chris that didn't happen but we got a little bit of an IRA tie in this week. We do a little bit of. I racing tie in this week as soon as Your weather what's up and we get the xfinity race it's so cool to see the irises. Paints team is going to return to the track with the number twenty one or CR Chevy Anthony. Alfredo fast pastas driving it and we all know that Anthony. Alfredo's been a fantastic advocate for erasing somebody who is just so natural the work with really cool to Be Involved with I ice for all of us when I say that on so very excited to see that car if the track once we get this xfinity race in but to me. The I mean so many storylines with that cup race on Sunday at Arlington. First of all. How cool is it just for all of us just to have real live motorsport back but also certainly for us to Be Able to take a breather and actually were watcher race. As opposed to all of us being involved behind the scenes. We have been for two months working on all the pro invitational events. It's been awesome to do those that it's cool to you know now be able to look back at everything that we did on those races and be able to sit back and watch those guys though no so. I thought it was a fun race. I can't wait for Wednesday. I can't wait for the Thursday xfinity race. Did you guys have any favorite moments from that Sunday race though I I mean I just so soaked to have it back. I was real curious. What was going to happen. You know. Green track no practice. No qualifying few guys. That were rookies. Are Co I think a couple that had never even been to the track and And going out on lap one so I was very curious Off the start. Of course you know something happens on lap one than watching the restart and watching everybody kind of feel it out. And the wily veteran psych like Harvick. They knew what they were doing. They had you know pretty good idea of what the setup is going to be in could drive it in their deep and and You know really go racy right off the beginning and then the other guys kind of sat back and let the race come to them. So the different strategies there That was entertaining to me. It was it was. It was fun to get back to it. I was super excited that that they didn't have any practice. I thought that was neat angle I thought the drivers you know they. They figured it out pretty quick. The only person that looked rusty to me was the flag man so I don't know how to take a look at the video. Nascar out about the Irish flag manage. I feel like missed. I think Barney's GONNA end up with his own twitter account for over. So how does he have one already? I'm making one as we speak. I'M GONNA get all right. I'M GONNA get him with the blue checkmark before I get myself a little check mark. That's totally moving onto the week ahead. We've got the of Tag Heuer eastport supercup from Donnington. Did It on the best? I said Heuer really proud of that. Kevin let's talk about Yup third race of the season first time the series has gone to this tracks. So I think it'll be interesting right. I mean obviously the guys have had plenty of time to practice. They haven't had to stay from the track. Let the real world racers but I'm excited to see Some more action. You know we also have the Support Series Right. So that's going on For those of you. That don't know it's the Porsche eastwards. Sprint challenge belt versus series. You know I I did ring the bell for myself but I got it right. I may have cheated. Read it and it's important right so so porsche put together the support series using the came. Gt Four. It runs the same schedule as the Portuguese supercup and it only runs You know those ten weeks and then we the Super Session on Saturday. So the top points gatherers from the week yet into that session and they can win actual cash. So it's Kinda cool to get more people involved in it. The came and gt four is a awesome Carter. Dr Super Easy to get a handle on the supercup car is a bit more challenging as it's meant to be So don't be afraid to go give the GT four. Try This week yeah looking for those races I think the support race is the challenge series have been as entertaining as the as the big brother series. But lots of fun to watch Kevin. What time and where what time while we wear at. Donnington you mean where to watch it. I watch it on all the streaming places that we normally go so facebook Twitch Youtube Nine am is when the broadcast starts. On Saturday Morning Chris. What time is that in? Gmt Marianna spot only. I believe that's starting at nine. Am I believe that thirteen hundred something like that? So yes it is especially at nine thirty. Yeah so so Saturday morning. Us time early afternoon European time we also have the better has in the better halves into invitation presented by simply juice is the indycar drivers wives and girlfriends. Come on I don't get a bell for that. You got a little one a little one kinda struggled with it so maybe I should decide. Better has invitational refreshed by simply juice. There take much better. This is a pretty cool a pretty cool deal going on Organized by James Hinchcliffe Tony Non where they the wives and the girlfriends from the INDYCAR series drivers are going to be taking the track. I can't tell you where I can't tell you when they wanted to keep that a secret but two forty five PM on Saturday looking for to. We've got twenty confirmed injuries And that's just going to be a lot of fun. The best part of it though it is for charity. So it's one hundred dollars buy in from the ladies and the winner is going to get to donate the entry fees to a charity of their choice. I believe the driver. The drivers themselves are looking for ways to match that and simply juice is going to be making a charitable donation to the winners charity of choice as well so really cool angle Race spots can be putting it on. You can find it on the I racing youtube and twitter pages so a lot of fun to be had. I'm sure there will be a lot of laughing so moving onward to it Hwu season finale. Charlotte Chris we touched on it earlier. It's going to be fun yet. It's definitely going to be fun looking at the points Alex version. Ron Has a thirty four point advantage on David. Hileman James Edens is right there with at thirty eight points behind the I mean. Frankly the most foolproof strategy for David Hyon and James Edens is gonNA find a way to keep Alex version on out of that. Final BATCHES MAY BE OUT OF THEIR HANDS. Berge on his been so quick so consistent so just a little less let. You never know what could happen. Though right. It's a dirt track. I mean all it takes putting yourself in the wall or getting caught up in something else right. I mean it. It's not it's not done yet right. Oh no exactly I mean and I feel like it's the same way in any motive for real or virtual. I mean you know you see all sorts of guys go into the finale and they just for whatever reason. They have an uncharacteristic race. You know something slips up if it's GONNA go either one or two ways for Alex burs around. I think he's either GONNA flat out dominate the way that he has so many races over the past few years or something's going to happen in the heats he's GonNa make it to the final through the skin of his teeth in the queue. And who knows what happens from there. It's GonNa be one or the other. Though I'm I'm speaking. Absolutes of seeing this movie plow too many times so you know David Edens have got be open to the ladder. You know we all know. Alex version is talented enough to make it a clean. Sweep if y'all with just one or two grades looking forward to watching that Monday night Once again from Charlotte beyond the IRA seeing I Racing Youtube Channel and twitch as well as facebook and then we do have a programming. Note the The coke series. Kevin is moving. That's right the NASCAR. Coca-cola Cola I racing series. Thank you There's a conflict with the real world guys going back to racing so moving that race just for next week from Tuesday night to write tonight nine pm eastern time so just for next week moving into Friday so make a note of that What rounder we in Chris Lead it's round eight but I know I was a motor speedway which is going to be really exciting. Atlanta's been such a fan favorite track. I mean it's it's one of the older surfaces on the real World Cup series schedules of people like driving it. Because it's kind of warm down there lot of iconic images there Tires tires tires tires tires tires. Indeed at is going to be such a hell of a show and it if what we saw at Charlotte is any indications going to be a clean race to because I think we only have one caution there. I think some of the things that that was it been really coolness variant. Now you've done it. That is common tasker asphalt later. Oh these guys are has been great racing. This year I think all the World Championships series that we've had so far this year have really kind of stepped it up in the quality of racing competitions always been very high but it's it's even higher now in the quality of racing's really really been great this year. You look over the the you know. Not just the coke series of the series as well and others. It's the guys that are consistent near the front. You don't have to necessarily be winning it to be a DNA lead championship. So that's consistency is is key as as as in real racing. But they get for listening to this episode of the I racing downshift. Don't forget to rate review and subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify anywhere else Chris. Put this four seven bothered Chris Leoni. I'm Red West.

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Off The Hook - Aug 21, 2019

Off The Hook

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Off The Hook - Aug 21, 2019

"Thank you anderson in. This is wayne kramer from e._m._c. five. Nobody kick out the jams like w._b._a._i. New york are we done okay. This is w._b._z. New york it's eight o'clock time once again for off the hook in long i am <music> <music> and took off oh good sir and and very good evening terabyte the program is off the hook emmanuel goldstein here with you on this wednesday evening join join tonight by rob t firefly then your microphone is not working for some reason because someone press this button for no reason try that again good evening. Why would you impress that the button what's the very popular button on the console. Is the rob shut up but if you press that button then the switch doesn't do anything. Why do you press who does that and kyle <hes> <hes> yeah. I'm i'm here and you're button this out in clear fine. Okay yeah all right well. It's another another snafu filled edition of of the hook. I'll try not to smack the microphone this week but we'll see we'll see what happens <hes> we. We all just remember that. Alex is in here this week so <hes> yeah they'll be. They'll be a bit of a gap <hes> but we'll we'll fill that gap with listeners listeners can call in to our number two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven. We'd like to hear from <hes> <hes> from the people yeah. I know we only had a couple of minutes last week so we'll have more time this week for <hes> all sorts of things like that. We've been very busy busy working all sorts of projects digitizing the <hes> the whole videos <hes> making that project finished <hes> working on the <hes> the hacker digest finishing that up so all of the two thousand six hundred back issues. We'll be digitized tired by the end of this month <hes> working on a brand new issue <hes> working to try to save the hope conference where so many things going on at once. It's it's really <hes> incredible. Of course we find time to come in here and do radio as well because we're out of our minds but <hes> the world of technology marches on or sometime stumbles on as <hes> as it were. Here's a interesting story. I happened to see <hes> a little bit earlier. <hes> do you know that it's possible to tell what people are typing on keyboards by listening to the sounds that the keys may now. There's a number of ways you can do this. Obviously <hes> the easiest ways a touchtone phone you hear different towns you can decode them by ear or with <hes> an app or a program like that <hes> and then there are some a <hes> badly designed a._t._m.'s where different keys make different beeps bit different towns and you could actually tell somebody's password that way they make it very easy <hes> but a recent study by the southern methodist university found the researchers were able to predict what people are typing on their keyboards. You know these things six yeah. They don't make little beats. You shouldn't be able to tell but you can tell by listening to the sound. Those keys are making now. According according to the mail online researchers recreated a real life office environment with ambient noise and all the distractions that come with it and ask them with volunteers altair's type of few words on their computers now by using the microphones of smartphones placed on the same table researchers were able to analyze and predict what the volunteers on tears were typing with forty one percent accuracy. I find that really interesting but you know what <hes> <hes> what this particular publication decided. It was the headline to the story. Hackers can detect what you're typing by listening to you type that why only them i the thing is all throughout the story. It basically says researchers are figuring out ways to do this and then the takeaway away his hackers can do this right except that they haven't done this. The researchers are the ones figuring it out and it's just you blaming. Hackers was something that someone else's figuring out. I think the word is attacker. It is it is true that this came from the daily mail which is not known as the most subtle <hes> source of news. They're they're very into sensationalizing things and of course <hes> flying the h word when <hes> when when it even remotely involves anything computer. You're like well. I i got this <hes>. They referred to the mail but i got this from a site called the quint dot com. I don't know what that is but they're pretty sensationalist and that's the headline they decided to go with. Let me be a little more story though some of the challenges for hacker because now we're into the <hes> the illegal stuff apparently so the challenge is for a hacker would be to know the material of the surface the user's typing on because the acoustics were wooden table would be different from that of a metal one so hackers went. When you want to steal someone's password call the the office first and ask what kind of table they have. Do you have wooden table of you have metal table. Thank you very much. No no just curious just taking a survey. I'm sure you can find a pretense. That'll work <hes> the hacker would also also have to know the location of the phone on the table and if there are multiple sources recording the sound so it's me again i can you tell me how many inches onto the table the telephone is. Thank you okay now. This is just this is for health and safety. We keep track of these things. According to a report in forbes researchers the rectory searchers now because because the hackers are the ones doing it illegally the researchers other ones apparently that figure it all out. These like hackers dressed up as research. It seems like they found a way to you know that the people figuring this the hackers they're the ones that are thinking this way and saying hey. This is a security risk and telling people about it. That's what happens all about anyway. According to this report in forbes researchers teachers had developed a tool that can hack skype and then because hacking skype is easy part but then after you <hes> you use the microphone to listen into the sound of the keyboard when the user is typing and it's called skype and type a program that has the ability to detect specific frequencies that match which each of the keys on the keyboard yeah. You can't make this up. That's now under a subsection called the anti-iraq. I haq a hack like this is not easy to detect which is why is even more difficult to counter however researchers believe that something as simple as a tablecloth can help blog vibrations get relayed back to the smartphone member when we were growing up everyone use tablecloths was some reason we stopped and this is the result yeah well. Maybe maybe we can get back into the habit of using tablecloths and our passwords won't be stolen. That's that's according to a spokesman from the tablecloth industry who believes that we we have lost our way and this <hes> this might actually make for more secure america. This is a wakeup call for smartphone makers to bolster smartphone security and ensure or that sensors and microphones don't get hacked easily and as for smartphone users. It's advised that they turn the keypad sound option off in settings which will stop the clicking sound when you type on the phone. I'm not sure what setting that is. The key pad sound all the the thing. That actually makes little beeps when you're typing <hes> when he's having a password that's different. That's a different device yeah then the keyboards that need tablecloths exactly yeah. Those are actual. Oh keyboard. Can you think they're trying to give comprehensive advice here because you're calling on a phone and and you're not typing a password right talking to somebody on the phone i think talking about calling on a landline and hearing the passwords being typed on the keyboard. Can you get to the part about <hes> <hes> covering up the sounds. My mouth makes no that i can get to last but not least which is the best paragraph of this this <hes> this article be aware of your surroundings when you are using electronic devices that has sensitive information on them. You know how they say. Even the walls walls have ears who we is going to be. You know what they say. Even the walls have <hes> you know. I'm not going to quibble just glad i made it through this <hes> and that was an article go from the quint dot com whatever that is. I have a theory about this. I think someone came up with the phrase skype type and then thought we've got to come up with some sort of exploit it uses that this would make sense because like that's an awesome name and it would be a shame to let it go to waste but also i think this might lend some elimination to why so many computer enthusiasts luzia in hackers like myself seemed to enjoy keyboards with mechanical switches model homes. Your cherry switches things like that because that that must be all kinds of all kinds of extra obnoxious is to try and listen to and decode interesting the distinction there making with <hes> the ambient sound of the clicking itself and the correlation between that and a proximity to a solid surface like a table. I mean it seems like they're saying that if it was sort of not <hes> directly directly contacting that hard surface eve ambient sound is out of the picture but i think the crux of the whole vulnerability is that the microphones are picking up clicking sounds sounds so i'm not quite sure that is the dynamics that it's so loud when <hes> it's directly contacting the table when you click that it registers high enough for the the phone because i mean if it's if it's in even close proximity and it's on something like a tablecloth even like a carpet sample. That's much thicker right right i i i still think there's going to be clicking and that's part of what's being decoded from the article says i'm. I'm left a little unsatisfied with exactly <hes> where the threshold old of of vulnerability <hes> begins and ends. I think the key is if no pun intended if keys sound different you know if one end the keyboard sounds different and the other end of the top songs different in the bottom. Everything's gonna be unique. As long as you know the system <hes> and maybe you know the way to find out is you just listen for a while and certain keys are typed more more than other keys and you'll be able to figure it out like which side of the keyboard <hes> the phone is on you have to know yeah i think that was in the preamble and if you tell somebody to type something and and then you register that i mean you might not even have to develop the skill you south is probably a way that an app can designed to do just that interesting <hes> interesting vulnerability or way to eavesdrop always more. There's definitely sensors all all around so developed by researchers exploited by hackers. That's what i learned. Researcher tested hecker approved okay so back into the corporate world where we're never surprised by what happens but <hes> did you know this is according to <hes> an article and tech crunch <hes> there's a movie ticket subscription service known has movie pass and guess what they've exposed tens of thousands of customers card numbers and personal credit cards because a critical server was not protected with with a password. Yes it's true <hes> most hop hussein the security researcher at by base cybersecurity firm spider silk found and expose database one of the companies many sub domains. The database was massive containing one hundred sixty one million records at the time of writing and growing in real time and <hes> many of the records were normal computer generated logging messages used to ensure the running of the service but many also included sensitive user information such as movie pass customer card numbers these movie past customer cards are like normal debit cards issued by by mastercard <hes> they store a cash balance which users who sign up for the subscription service can use to pay to watch a catalog of movies now for a monthly subscription fee movie pass uses the debit card to load the full cost of the movie which the customer then uses to pay for the movie at the cinema. Why can't people just pay with money. Got the east seem so complex and you're giving out all this information <hes> the <hes> the people techcrunch reviewed a sample of thousand records and remove the duplicates a little over half contained unique movie past debit card numbers each customer card hard record had movie past debit card number and expiration date the cards balance and when it was activated that database had more than fifty eight thousand records containing card data data and was growing by the minute <hes> they also found records containing customers personal credit card numbers and their expiration date which included billing the information including names postal addresses all kinds of things here and among the records reviewed we found records say with enough information to make fraudulent card purchases kisses. It's not hard <hes> some records however credit where credit is due contain card number had been masked except for the last four digits. Okay okay well. It's something at least <hes> the database also contain email addresses some password data related to fail bogging attempts <hes> they found hundreds of records containing users email addresses. This is presumably incorrectly type passwords which was logged in the database <hes> and this was verified by attempting to log into the app with an email address and password that didn't exist but was the only known through this method and <hes> are dummy email address and password appeared in a database almost immediately they say none of the records in a database were encrypted. Let me say that again. None of the records in the database were encrypted all right. We haven't got to the point yet where hackers could actually <hes> use this system to do do bad things. I think maybe they don't get to that point which is good <hes> but movie past issue a statement movie pass recently discovered not you didn't you didn't didn't discover anything. A security researcher discovered it and told you that's what happened. Movie pass recently discovered a security vulnerability that may have exposed customer records rarely does a non trump person say a sentence. I'd have so much trouble with <hes> but okay movie getting name right but you didn't discover anything <hes> a security vulnerability all right. That's that's probably true but <hes> may have exposed customer records now did exposed customer records the proofs right here. Let's continue after discovering invulnerability we immediately secured our systems to prevent further exposure and mitigate the potential impact of this incident movie pass takes incident seriously lee and is dedicated to protecting our customers information. We are working diligently to <hes> invest the only time you hear the word diligently something like this happens <hes> to investigate instigate the scope of this incident and its potential impact on our profit margin not now on our customers but come on once we gain a full understanding of the incident i e never we will promptly notify any effected subscribers and the appropriate regulators or law enforcement. Wow we want. The security. Researcher gets in trouble because that's that's what happens in hacker world. You know he discovered this. He discovered that security vulnerability <hes> <hes> in in one of the companies many sub domains. Anyone of you can do the same thing you know you should always be exploring systems looking for vulnerabilities and i think people should <hes> should make it known when they find something making onto the company certainly make it known also if there's <hes> poorer security choices if people's private information is being exposed they deserve to know that the world deserves to know that we need to expose companies organizations that don't take security seriously use your information and <hes> don't <hes> safeguarded. They need to be exposed and and too often. We're afraid to to share that information nation well. There's people that will listen. We will certainly listen <hes> a lot of these organizations that were reading stories from they will listen <hes> it's important to keep exploring exploring to keep exposing this information and sharing it when you find it yeah that helps with people <hes> ultimately in their own personal security because they're they're understanding and the tips and and <hes> and <hes> news regarding some of this stuff it just helps build a stronger sense of where things where technology algae can go wrong in society and and it it becomes a common part of discourse <hes> instead of something that's relegated to only researchers that might think or imagine something as as having <hes> those kinds of <hes> problems and and and so forth so yeah. I don't know it's it's pretty amazing amazing that <hes> like in cases like this. It's it's not <hes>. It's not anyone really cracking their way into something. It's the company left something <hes> very private out on the open web basically cleo working database that they managed to get a new email address into <hes> just by fiddling with it like <hes> like described in the article and it was out there on the open net and who knows a who had a who had is on this before this researcher <hes> came up and and made a public issue of it and <hes> you know this sort of thing goes on all the time and companies i really don't seem to suffer any effects from leaving their customers vulnerable to <hes> having their info leaked out there like this you know it just it happens but if a person were to go and get this info they would be they would be such a criminal and be <hes> just the armada's and after them i. I don't know plus movie passes. This is kind of a hot mess of a company anyway. I mean they've they still haven't figured out how to get a sustainable business model together last year yeah. I didn't think they were still around yeah they couldn't couldn't they stopped doing a certain amount of movies per month because it just did not work on paper and yeah it's the same wow okay the other thing is they're trying to work on that and in an security ends up being like kind of an afterthought and i think it's really hard when when companies are designing their their systems that there <hes> you know able to both have a production <unk> system that they're relying on all the time and also <hes> fit adjusted and add security as needed <hes> without breaking raking it in the process can also hamper development of whatever product you should be focused on <hes> while you're trying to create this kind of network. That's going to protect act all of that hard work so it's a careful balance in it. It's a matter of building that kind of expertise into what you're planning on doing if it isn't there consciously consciously making time and putting forth effort to to adjust it without totally breaking all the day to day. That's going to keep you alive well. I think probably raise very good point point in saying that <hes> who knows how many other people had access to beforehand you don't know and that's why it's so important to expose it when you find something. That's why it's important for us to be looking looking for these things <hes> actively <hes> just because you're not a quote unquote security research does not mean you can't search for security vulnerabilities and let people people know and you find them because there are all kinds of <hes> of criminals out there and yet the criminals not hackers criminals that go steal things <hes> use news people's identity for fraudulent purposes and all sorts of other things like that. They're not gonna tell me body. They're gonna keep doing this and if the vulnerability is there for ten years they will do for ten years until somebody comes along and says hey left the front door wide open. You'd better fix that yeah. I mean it's it's kind of rule one in the security <hes> fields that if you availability you never assume that you're the first one to find it. You're just the most recent one to find it and <hes> you know. I assume that people have been taking advantage of it for long before. You got there because it's very possible yeah and that you're under attack. All the time i mean there there are interested and curious people out there and so it is incumbent on you. Do take as much interest in on your own stuff especially if you're relying on it for business or whatever it's so much fun to turn on assistant for the first time connected to the net and see how long it takes for somebody to try log in. It's usually really within a few minutes and it's usually from some other part of the world so far away but somebody is trying something <hes>. I don't think it's a person's probably some kind of a script but <hes> it's it's incredible. How many attacks are going on out there. <hes> so it's <hes> it's vital the spread the information i understand people are afraid to do this because every place from schools rules to businesses to governments if you reveal a problem you become the problem that happens a lot and and people are needlessly punished and <hes> the the folks that actually have the knowledge are the ones that pay the penalty so you know we have our secure drop. <hes> address twenty six hundred dot com slash secure drought gives you all the information on how to securely submit something to us. We've had so many interesting things over the year so we've had this up <hes> we've gotten all kinds of information and we're able to talk to the people that send us information without knowing who they are and <hes> oftentimes we can do something with it so we're not not the only people that have this <hes> this valuable <hes> way of <hes> leaking information or whistleblowing or or what have you just sending something that you're not comfortable being associated with <hes>. There are many news organizations that use this and in this day and age. It's it's a vital tool so twenty six hundred dot com slash secure drop for information on that and i go to secure that for information on on the system in general you spent a lot of time working on this kyle yeah and just all the other projects and in an great <hes> work that the freedom of the press foundation and other organizations like that if f of course <hes> also working on those things mozilla and and and so on but yeah it is <hes> it's incredible <hes> to be able to to use this and a great great way to send tips without necessarily a <hes> giving us like you know your whole backstory or anything about you. That's less important than the story or the vulnerability and and it's of course <hes> <hes> just augment all the other <hes> ways you can submit <hes> articles of course the magazine <hes> or of course find our p._g._p. Keys online and <hes> and the myriad addresses that you can reach us. It's it's all about creating way for you to express yourself and for us to share this kind of a really crucial technological information you use the tour browser <hes> to <hes> to send us stories now <hes> the difference between sending an article <hes> if you were say the in <hes> <hes> exxon or something and you decided to send us an article using our articles at twenty two dot com email address that's all fine and good but now there's a record of you sending an email they they can't see what the email is. Although <hes> in big corporations oftentimes they do look at what you are <hes> what you are actually writing in the email so okay. Maybe he's p._g. And you encrypted but if you do that there's still a record that you sent email to that. Particular address goes for anything. He's an email to with the tour browser not so easy to find out who you're communicating with breath and that's the only way to connect to that secure drop address and start that that that drives us going. It really gives you a strong advantage. I mean we as with anything else else. You'd want to take necessary. Things like you know. Don't advertise it. You're doing this. Don't tell me about these things of course take all of those <hes> <hes> sort of obvious steps you. You might <hes> do to be reasonably secure around doing something like that but it is. It's really far away. <hes> it gives you a large advantage over methods like so you mentioned in some places trail of people people <hes> get punished for <hes> just installing tour browsing some schools some some work places. That's considered suspicious suspicious right there so <hes> it's it's always there's always something that will make you appear suspicious. Usually it's just being intelligent yeah. It's like when when bittorrent became a a big thing and people were getting punished for having any sort of bittorrent traffic whatsoever on their networks at work or school or whatever but things like <hes> you know lennox district distributions is and things like that would often use bittorrent as a as a more efficient way to distribute their perfectly legitimately distributable distributable files and then than other products products. <hes> started using the protocol. I think the warcraft game used bittorrent behind the scenes in some capacity. We distribute our show yeah we. We've got that and so it's it's not it's not the tech that's good or bad. It's it's the tech that's doing. Whatever the people behind it set it up to do exactly just like any technology used for good or for bad. It's it's up to us to decide which and south to us not to blindly follow just because it's cool we always have to have a critical eye towards these things and figure out ways to break them. That's what we're good at. Here's an interesting story about not mobile yeah. Ruth johnson didn't know exactly who rang her phone and threatened her around twenty times twenty fourteen the person on the other end said he was john on edens from the u._s. Marshals with a warrant for her arrest for stealing a car. She was behind on her payments lay. Turn out that this john edens person didn't have a warrant nor was he from in law enforcement at all instead. He was a debt collector with a history of stalking and domestic violence who had managed to get a hold of johnson's on location data. He did this by pretending ending to a u._s. Marshal with the georgia fugitive task force to t mobile yeah. He was able to social engineer t mobile but he wasn't a hacker. He was is a criminal <hes> t mobile. They're definitely not hackers. They then provided edens with location. Johnson's fallen in a handy google maps interface this painting the phone in industry parlance. The story comes from motherboard. It's really fascinating and fearful were johnson. I used to explain the episode and the phone call with motherboard. It was very fearful. <hes> motherboard previously reported on edens cases in court documents and sources and the bounty hunting industry. <hes> edens was sentenced to one year in in prison for impersonating a u._s. Officer and now johnson explained in an interview what it was like to have her phone tracked her story demonstrates very real human impact that the black market use and sale tale phone location data can have i was very upset with the phone company because i was under the impression that you had to get a court order in order to get information such as that out and he he mobile basically put my life endanger. The harassment was relentless. Edens turned up at johnson's place of work. Someone bang on her homes door at <hes> <hes> three a._m. Edens turned up on her porch another day. <hes> johnson said her husband had been recently killed in johnston didn't know of the harasser somehow connected was murdered. Yeah compounding fear. Her teenage daughter moved ten hours away to be with her grandma just to feel safe. She says you cost me my family. She says that the t. mobile now as to respond to johnson's case a t. mobile spokesperson said to motherboard t. mobile has a specialized legal team that reviews each emergency emergency requests from law enforcement for customer information in rare cases. We receive unlawful requests when this happens we immediately investigate and introduce additional safeguards where where needed we also always cooperate with legitimate law enforcement increase and sometimes illegitimate ones and investigations into these cases of fraud. We are completely the open about our work in this area in our yearly transparency report that comes out at the end of the year but yeah you're not only you're you're. You're dialing information. How you talk to your location where you are right now the wrong person getting their hands on that even the right person getting their hands on that. It's scary. It really is scary and it's information about all of us that we willingly put out. There and there are safeguards. You can turn your phone off you know. There is an off switch but this is also an example of again a very very very old technique. Social engineering is nothing new social engineering and stuff that <hes> companies especially you know phone companies have been dealing with for decades then decades. It's it's something that i know a couple of guys who present a panel on that every couple years at hope and <hes> and you know the techniques do not get more complicated. They just involved lying to people and having them having them <hes> give you what you want. It also speaks to <hes> you know the the the idea of of having privacy at all all in the importance of it and in that surveillance itself can then be flipped around as <hes> an wielded <hes> as something that you know does matter better and you hear a lot very often people saying i don't care. I don't care if the government <hes> has these mechanisms or does this surveillance or you know. <hes> has an arrangement through the phone company or something because it's it doesn't affect me your. I'm not doing anything wrong. We'll would have someone else's doing something wrong and they abuse that system all of a sudden. Your sense of privacy is it's really just that it's only a mere sense of <hes> yeah and as as <hes> as just mentioned if a tool exists the tool is not good or bad the people using it argued are bad ed and we're doing doing things that are good or bad and the thing was something like this is if <hes> like we talked about this years ago with the apple iphone thing where the government was demanding a backdoor into into the apple software and if such a backdoor exists there's no guarantee that only the quote unquote good guys are going to be using can see we can see plainly that that is not the case and oftentimes you won't even find out about it until somebody does something so egregious odd but it can go on for years you can you can have these these systems abused for a long long time wasn't pump heo talking recently about how he wanted back doors and things or that he wanted to reopen that issue that was i think last week <hes> i don't think we have a story about it it but <hes> obviously the conversation has come around to that and so yes sir. We do have a story. We do have a story about the manhattan d._a. Looking at innocent people's google phone data data. That's that's close enough. <hes> law enforcement authorities in new york are joining a nationwide trend push google to share data on anyone using its location tracking services nearer the time and scene of crime. The story comes from gotha missed. The technique uses a type of search warrant known as a reverse location or geo fence warrant warrant which gives authorities location information on google users who have android phones or use apps such as google maps yeah. You know it's not saying thank people saying google users. I mean obviously there are people but <hes> you have to be google user to <hes> be victimized like this now from this bucket of data law enforcement forcement then tries to figure out which phones maybe tied to suspects or possible witnesses. The use of the surveillance technique has not been confirmed in new york city until now <hes> an investigator for the manhattan d reveal that during testimony last week and a case involving a politically charged salt from last year you might remember this defendants are members of the proud boys. A group of pro trump right wing extremist could've used a few more adjectives. Whatever who allegedly beat up for leftist protesters protestors believed to be associated with antifa outside an upper east side event last october. The four protesters refuse to cooperate with police authorities. Were unable to identify identify them. <hes> as part of their attempt prosecutors sent google warrant for phone records near the conflict. That's according to the new york times now. In further testimony the investigator who confirmed that the warrant was a reverse location search warrant. That's going to a transcript provided to w._n._y._c. Everyone's getting involved in the story here. <hes> the court records show show that this dragnet data requests captured the location data of multiple people who were put under law enforcement scrutiny even though they had nothing to do with the crimes under investigation shen according to the investigators testimony authorities. We're looking for location records from quote google's android platform and google based apps such as google maps that utilize is location services the warrant requested records from multiple sites including where the conflict broke out on eighty second street and other locations where participants in the clash rush may have been that evening. The tech company forwarded an anonymous list of google device. I._d.'s based on their request investigators then crossed referenced spreadsheets google users at various locations attempting to find multiple appearances of those same anonymous numbers anonymous numbers authority said they eventually learned enough about seventy accounts to determine the individuals were innocent but while they had to go through and survey them and figure all that out <hes> without them even knowing we received approximately two or three records back from them that men are specific search criteria <hes> said investigator through follow up investigation. We were able to determine airman that we did not believe that individuals were the account holders here were involved in this incident in any way <hes> manhattan. D._a.'s office declined to comment on how the data was used in minnesota. Though people police have said that after selecting anonymous uses of interest from google's bulk records they then get another warrant to <hes> make the company hand over the name of the cell phone user now google has declined to comment on the case or how it responds to such law enforcement requests <hes> <hes> in an e mail apple told w._n._y._c. that it does not track the location of devices and thus does not have the ability to identify all apple devices near a given location and time so i guess this is a big advertising for apple at this point anyway and lynn lines and landlines not using the damn phone all the time and carrier pigeons walking around drawing life in semaphore. I take issue with one bit of that. If you're using a landline <hes> they've pretty much got good idea where you are. That's very true. That's very true yeah disappointing but it's distinct. It's not the exact same thing. It's not the exact location well. It's it's the exact location but it's not the exact location as it changes as your mobile right. It's it's like you're there but you don't necessarily i mean it's always known that that's where that phone is but you aren't necessarily being tracked. All the time. Yeah apple just negated everything anything positive. I just said about them because the story just popped up online from the verge. I'm just gonna read you. The headline apple warns. You may permanently discolor your apple cart if it's stored in leather that's. Why is that even a new story. This is the metal card made of titanium another card if you discover your car that they're treating it like it's some kind of thing that was like a car or something that warning you you might you might discolor or your who cares who cares about this coloring them car where he's supposed to keep it. I don't know the whole apple. Aesthetic is like shiny white things and chinese silver things things and everything's all bright and shiny and <hes> you you're you're the fool who has to go and use the thing that you have from them therefore discoloring it and getting their fingerprints all over it and and just <hes> being old grubby and that's your problem is an apple customer. You know i i would think if i don't like the way my american express card looks. I can call them in the semi another one. If apple gives you attitude and tries to blame you with one of the geniuses or whatever saying you didn't use the card properly yeah. I'm i'm moving back towards google now so ping-pong game here <music> on what company employees made the most. That's the kind of that's kind of headline that i get from apple all the time so annoying. It's probably really important some people i the earth shattering news like they're just losing it and then you had to rub it in. We did collectively how about the leather who takes care of the leather well. Maybe it doesn't react well to the apple cart you ever think of that all right. Hey we're going to take phone calls to one to two zero nine two eight seven seven. I like to read a a <hes> a listener <hes> <hes> letter because listeners do write to us and you can do that too. You can join the few people who write these days o._t. H which at two thousand six hundred dot com that's our email address yet a few people who use email these days. It's it's crazy. People communicate in bizarre ways and <hes> email else such an easy way to do it and and so many people don't use anymore and they don't even use the alphabet anymore really how to communicate. It's all <hes> emoji. I think that's why fleet you can call a phone two zero nine two eight seven seven anyway. <hes> emmanuel kyle interested telecom historians my first time writing so i apologize for the length. Oh please don't apologize for the length. It's great to see long letters occasionally. I was driving through leslie georgia on my way back to my hotel and i saw a sign for the georgia rural telephone phone museum. I i didn't know about this. I felt i should stop as i find your shows interesting and i'm glad that's a reason to stop at a museum. It was four pm. The museum closed at five pm. The only had an hour to explorer <hes>. I'm listening to both off the hook and off the wall discovered show quite some time back on the itunes podcast list background that kevin mitnick arrest and the horrors ars of bernie s in prison. I seen an issue of twenty six hundred magazine on east and north carolina was ten jin ten generally familiar with you from from that and from the first show of off the hook i've listened to your coverage of tech and hacking use avidly anticipate your next episode off the wall fascinates me with the manuals adventures abroad the traveling by shipping container ship and visiting cuba and north korea were beyond belief look forward to more forthcoming also enjoy hearing a menu and kyle sharing her opinions of the current state of the world which we've been known to do for many many hours anyway back to my purpose for writing. I was awestruck by the number of old handsets at the georgia rural telephone phone museum <hes> and then i walked in the next section which had operated stations and more handsets then i pass by the first solar panel installed on the telephone system still mounted to the top of poll within the museum. The next section showed a small switching group everywhere. I turn i saw a different handset or candlestick phone <hes> they have displays of of how wiring on polls has changed through the years with the with the tops of poles strung with the different types of wiring us. That's fascinating alone right there. I believe that's called open wire. That's called open wi calling conversation about that on a train in europe with some people. I don't know why or maybe there was in the states. Yes and they eventually multiplexed it so they can fit a lot of calls on it. It's very fascinating. I'd be shocked. If one of you have one liz hasn't brought this place to your attention while be shocked because this is the first. I'm hearing of it <hes> i. I know some of you have a true. Love for this equipment took over one hundred photos on of all things iphone some so many of historical precursor. I'd like to share them with you if you haven't had the chance to visit it <hes> i know these won't be the best quality love to see them. They'll send them to teach at twenty six hundred dot com. I expect some mm-hmm harsh yet helpful criticisms from kyle. You're a photographer kyle so over the photography will hope i'll do my best so yeah definitely send us those photos unless containing this email. You have a print out here so i don't know if throat as we're attached if they were attached then our apologies <hes> send them again or we'll track them down <hes> anyway the <hes> he talked one of the employees spent the last fifteen minutes or so showing the full extent of the collection turn on a couple of switchboard he assured me the second telephone created created in the collection was genuine. <hes> we chatted. I explained my fascination was due to your show. I intend to pass long website and podcast info my return and hope we're on shock them too much though he told me i shouldn't pay for a second emission but it won't bother me one bit to pay again to see this place continue and that's that's the spirit <hes> their website should not be a reflection of the quality of the museum. I'm i'm familiar with that. <hes> g. r. a. t. m. dot org g. r. t. n. Georgia rural telephone museum dot org their facebook page is a better but still not a proper reflection pets because you know they put all their energy into the collection just like we put all energy into the magazine so our website sometimes has things to be desired <hes> they have some equipment that was working in the past but needs some parts and a good bit of love and care care <hes> to get functioning again which i'm sure some of the guests you've had on might be able to provide and when i get back north carolina i'll scan they brochure which is much better than a website and send it to you <hes> and i help if you have the opportunity to travel the southwest georgia you will visit this unexpected pearl. I'm sure if you visited or do visit that it'll be a story to share with your fans. Thank you wayne for that amazing letter and for that experience and i hope that turns people onto go to south west georgia and visit this museum <hes> <hes> yeah. I just want to add if you're at all interested in in learning about <hes> telecommunications <hes> oftentimes these places are looking for volunteers and will allow you to help out a great way to meet other people that are also interested in the stuff. It's a great great way to learn about some of the systems very often. The <hes> curator's of these types of spaces are <hes> members of the telephone pioneers of america or there <hes> <hes> retired or otherwise affiliated with one or the other local or national or other telephone companies in the vicinity and they may have have <hes> a lot of advice for you on perhaps a career path if that's your interest or just other <hes> general <hes> associated <hes> hobbies and arts art's often <hes> radio and other things too so it's it's really a cool way to get involved and to learn about the older telecommunication systems and i find at least for me personally that is very instructive about imagining what's going on and i've said this a lot of time but imagining what's going on in software imagining what's going on one in central offices and data centers and places that you you really can't get into and and look under the hood that often <hes> but if you you get a sense of it and you you talk to enough people you can start to <hes> start to imagine like the inner workings of how all that works and why has progressed and evolved in the way. It has this from those older systems yeah absolutely it's. It's the best way <hes> to get your your actual. Hands on. The technology is so fascinating. We've experienced that ah the <hes> <hes> the maker fairs went when they were occurring here in new york having kids come up to the phone van and and play with the rotary dial phones figure out how to use them to the phone booth and see what a nineteen fifties these phone booth there is such fascination with that is so important to preserve the technology whether it's all computers all telephones and learn from it because very often you can design something better by looking looking at the old technology seeing how it works and how it all came together and just letting your imagination go wild yeah i i know as <hes> as i was learning about the old analog phones system as nineties freak it was very intertwined with my learning about computer science itself. I mean the analog phones system was basically the biggest computer in the world and everyone had a terminal and it was glorious. It was yes so yes definitely visit that museum and if you have another one that you know of let us know about that. We're gonna take some phone calls to one to two two zero nine two eight seven seven good evening. You're off the hook. Speak up okay well. You can't be shy gonna say something good evening. You're off the hook. Go ahead. Yes what's on your mind. Hi my name is ron and i'm a longtime listening to your show. I enjoyed a lot <hes>. I'm coming to an inevitable time in my phone service in kind of a luddite i i never got a phone till two thousand and now they're moving into a new the next generation and cutting off your copper. No no no no getting cell phone for the first time you know that's all i have and and it it's an i- it was a hand me down phone okay i. I hope we bride. I live with a woman who's a retiree from bride so you're supported phone company but <hes> they told me that i'm going to have to get a new phone. I don't want a phone that can tell tell me more about me than i know. I just want the simple type of phone but i don't know if it's available anymore okay so let me let me see i have this straight. You're using a cell phone company. <hes> which i imagine verizon wireless and they're saying that the phone you're using on their network won't at work. They're going to change the system and it will be able to be used anymore. They have more phone. What kind of alternatives are they suggesting and are their offerings that are also flip phones three models. I mean knotted. It sure sure yeah especially if you've had it for a while and you know it works for you yeah well. I mean if they're changing. Frequencies is that that would explain it but otherwise no reason i found shouldn't continue to work nine one one yeah what kind of what. What kind of <hes> correspondents did you have regarding this or where did you hear about it. Was this sort of a sales thing like what's your gut feeling or this was like a an official. It's kind of transition that you were alerted to their formal office and pay my bill to a prepaid phone. I'll give him fifty dollars left me three months or so but <hes> i'm i'm interested in. Who can i go to now. That will keep it simple like i had yeah yeah. What what you want is <hes> is known nowadays as a feature phone <hes> back then it was just called a phone but basically a feature phone. Now is <hes> what is what is used to describe any phone. That's not a smartphone as we know them today and <hes> so any provider are you go to <hes> should still have a number of feature phones available because it is popular for way. The opposite wouldn't phone with all the features feature phone. You're saying the phone without all the features of the feature film right. I i didn't come up with that's the feature. No lack of features is the feature but that's what they call them nowadays so like the old flip phones the candy abbar phones the clam shell phones that we used to have before smartphones those are now known as feature phones and most of the providers keep at least at least one or one or a a few of them available for people specifically like yourself like like yourself caller who are not interested in all the bells and whistles have now. I just thought i have i have an old omni point song from the nineteen eighteen ninety s sitting in a desk and i wonder if i can even get power to would that even work today without even get a signal. I'd love to find out there. Were things like the old the older networks which were actually switched off at the at the service level and you can't connect anything. I bet you're only point phones. He's like tedium or some other legacy technology that is not backwards compatible with like four g. and lt networks today but that's you'd have to look at the spec very i just wanted to see it. Turn on and have those three little cliques that it may wanna turn remember that part yeah. It might be c._d._m._a. Or tedium like a legacy legacy like really like pre the <hes> g._s._m. Little lines for tax. That's all i got but anyway sir. I advise you hold onto that phone for as long as you can have a backup in mind but don't ever throw it out and just see <hes> see how long it can you can make it work for well. <hes> do you know of the company that are more likely for me to go about their own that that might be simple type that i'm looking for the the feature found you know of any feature of any particular ones but generally really i think if you walk into any of the major phone companies these days they will they will have some sort of <hes> thing for you because it is a thing that a significant amount of people still need. It's it's it's a smart move. Phone companies are so many people out here like our caller who want to hold onto their all devices that they all flip phones. I don't want all these newfangled features on the non feature feature phones or whatever you call them so you need to cater to them you need to you need to <hes> you know value them as customers because they're loyal customers yeah you could. I just want to say you could probably check all the usual suspects as far as carriers and use the term of art that rob was indicating and as long as i guess it's okay with <hes> with your roommate roommate that you're using a different carrier. I'm sure they would have at least some kind of offering <hes> as well <hes> but i i'm with you e he and rob. I think like we should have like a retro western electric or some like really stripped down phone that runs on the modern network. I would love to see some really durable staff stuff really kind of innovative designs instead of kind of the same old slab glass also one thing you might want to do if you're involved with any local <hes> senior citizen services or stuff for your local library things like that. You know maybe maybe someone there has has a better idea where you can directly go and find things like this by. That's a look all right. Thanks for your call. Let's see if we get another one in good evening. You're off the hook. Go ahead. Oh hi yes. I'm the person who's complaining about variety and then got immediately cut off. I'm not making any we just any judgments. Here is what happened on your end. I got busy signal talking. Well we just we just had we had silence dissent islands. Yes hello you still there or we're still here to hear us okay well. I'll i'll try to go easy on the rise it. Maybe they'll let me talk okay. Here's the thing what the eight hundred numbers that. I have tried to call to them in fact those of them happen to be radio. Stations one is in canada and one is in america assume and they moonlight ooh. Let me through every time i call. I get this rise in message. That says you cannot dial this number from your calling area. I've heard that recording in in a long time used to be with with toll free numbers that you would have to numbers one for the state that the number was in and one for the rest of the country but i haven't heard that system used in decades right. I remember now that don't count may just while i was waiting to get on. I remember i had that experience with a new york city agency. You know what they call the blue pages where you look up city government agency and they wanted if you were calling from new york city they gave you a two and two number. They wanted you to call a toll number but if you're calling from outside the city you could use the eight hundred number and when i tried to use the eight hundred number they gave me that message but both of these one is in canada. You know what one is. A canadian radio station from hamilton ontario and i tried many times to call and i said maybe they don't call america but that doesn't make sense one night right. I heard somebody calling in from albany. Obviously take calls from new york state and the other one is our own michio kaku who has i think he still still has a radio show commercial <hes> a._m. Radio show on saturday nights and i got the number from the website and today countries number and i've tried to call woah while the show was on. I tried to call the times and i get that message cannot call from your diving area. May i ask what is your dialing area. Where where where are you. I want to hear that is strange <hes> but they're easy ways around this. If you know what the what the restriction is getting google voice number and darling out of that is one way to do it and there are other way no. You can't suggest that google service anything. The calling card is not going to hold it to calling radio station and not giving away they live. I'm just kidding kidding this radio station with an eight hundred number not allow you to call from a particular calling area just now. I don't know i know you should kaku lives in new york you know i don't know what what city has show. Oh comes out of. I don't think he comes out of the. I used to have it on w. W. r. l. <hes> when that was a talk station station the other day sixteen eighteen hundred a._m. They were playing all kinds of good music. Yeah yeah right indian the call it the thing the thing about setting up eight hundred number is this goes back to the days when long distance cost significant money right because when you set up an eight hundred number you're paying the phone bill for the calls and so you have the option to if the call that's coming in is going to be too expensive because you're paying for it. You have the option not to not to accept. Long distance calls interior hundred number because otherwise i don't you could you could go broke nowadays. I don't know quite how that applies because long distances this is <hes> basically cheap and you know what else they charge a surcharge. If you call nato number from a payphone <hes> they charge the people receiving the call an extra twenty five cents which is completely unfair and apparently there's no way to block it way so i'm just hearing is if maybe it's only. It's not a long distance technically longest. It's call. Maybe it's creating a boundary saying thing. It's denying the eight hundred call because it's better for the person into onto to be calling the local version instead that saves them on on an unnecessary eight hundred touch on a good point. That should be a local phone them. Have you tried looking for the local phone number. I haven't tried. I don't have the computer here. I had to ask someone look it up for me on caucus websites and they had the eight hundred number is the contact number for the radio and i can't imagine a radio show that gives out an eight hundred get number that would not accept the call from anywhere the the other thing especially the other thing that this might involve is there's <hes> there's often been weirdness when trying to call something like an eight hundred number from voip line instead of a landline or from a cell phone instead of a so this is this is from a landline. That's very interesting. I ah it's kind of ironic. 'cause macaca used to follow us. We could have just asked him and now we can back they. They just keep moving around and he seems thanks to disappeared. He's theoretical physicists. They do that definitely. Try finding a local version. That's just a hunch and <hes> and report back. We'd love to know how you got around this but it may be something where they're trying to lower the amount of of eight hundred calls if there's an alternate but they're not promoting the alternate. There's always a way there's always a way ready to get a phone. Call through. Don't ever tell us you can't call. I remember when they used to tell me. I couldn't call albania when that country was cut off from the rest of the world and i went up into canada to call them but i did it. Important thing is to get another phone. Call really quick evening off the hook. Go ahead. Speak up okay. That's good evening. You're on off the hook. Go ahead anywhere. No okay silent people tonight good evening. You're off the hook. Hey how are you. I'm good listen. I'm trying to solve a couple of problems <hes> from callers before the left one in might have to do with the fact that some you know eight hundred because the caller buddies a subscription service for the people who have the number so it needs to be that <hes> subscribers meaning the the people who had the number didn't accept calls from their local area because they figure why should i pay the call when wherever calls me can just make get local phone call the mass to be known to the person to do that. Well the <hes> the <hes> what do you call it. The eight hundred numbers do have all the list the people who call them because they are built for recall and the other thing is for the caller before <hes> food the assistance sustain show network <hes> eat get. I didn't ask for this. I i am obamacare essentially have medicaid in naively provider. One day sent me a phone in the mail because they say that. I need a lifeline they call. I'm sure my evil provider is not the only one <hes> others this wealth for medicaid. I basically have now descended. Smartphone only used to be a dumb phone <hes> but it's free three. I even have a free internet access if i wanted to. I don't the location but you know maybe you should look into his own obamacare or provider. It's it's it's true and the obama the phone i i know a couple of people <hes> took advantage of that and and <hes> enjoyed <hes> that that <hes> <hes> benefit but it is <hes> it's also true for telemetry a medical devices all these <hes> monitors and things that people need perhaps for <hes> <hes> a pacemaker and so on <hes> often have a system system to report back to a doctor over phones and that is part of the care so also very interesting thing to pursue. Thanks for that call. Thanks for helping out another caller and please tune tune in next week right to us o t h at twenty six hundred dot com for off the hook manual have a good night's. 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Introduction To Hemi-Sync

The Alchemical Mind

35:41 min | 3 months ago

Introduction To Hemi-Sync

"Hello and welcome to the chemical mind my name is Martin. Today's episode I wanted to talk a little bit of heavy sink, which I briefly discussed on the previous episode. Understanding true meditation goes into that. If you haven't checked out yet, but let me say this fascinating. I've been really getting into. Say Technology Hemi say, beats. Over the last couple of weeks, and had some really interesting results Elvis sharing that at some point in the future, but I want to talk a little bit about what it is. And after I gave them a little speech I'm GONNA. Play for you a twenty minute me sink. Beat, which you can use for your own meditation practice if you'd like or if he just WANNA use it to relax. As always with any of these things I will give a warning. Always know what you're getting into. Always know what you're getting into the most important part of doing any of this kind of work, because you can open up certain channels within yourself that if you're not particularly ready for it, you might end up regretting at some point in the future. Now as I said I. Got Into Hemi sync fairly recently. And what's really interesting about? It is the the ties between Robert Munro the Monterey Institute and as a major previously because there's some religious work that goes on I. Don't want to talk about any of that stuff. Because that's kind of beyond the scope of this podcast, something I'm particularly interested in discussing here. If you want to have a conversation with me about the privately, by all means, you can find me on twitter at chemical, and you can email me Martin at the typical comment. However, I do want to talk about the actual process of. Of of heavy sink is really interesting and the research in the fifties by Monroe, who went on to found the Monroe Institute and several other things as well, but he he was studying sleep learning, and this is a topic that was being studied at the time because it would be amazing if you could just simply lay down, go to sleep and find a way to learn new things without consciously activating your brain right seems amazing. It will go to school or do. Anything got to sleep. Listened to a book and Bam you wake up and you automatically know that thing. Through this process Rodman rose started having these experiences. And he would see the lights and he would cure the sound as he was having this. Six, this this experience going through this experiment, and it will put the idea of Hemi sync. How did he do that? Because believe it or not, he an out of body, experience, and by the experiences is not something that I've talked about yet. Will at some point in the future I'm pretty sure just had would actually a couple of days ago. So that was an interesting experience I might discuss. He actually coined the term. Out of buddy experience, and of course, if you are into some of this alternate science, alternate religion and philosophy, maybe new new agey stuff, you are very familiar with out of body experiences. If you do not believe in any of that stuff, and that's fine, you don't need to for the purposes of this. Because the music itself is actually interesting. And stems from one very simple fact, and the simple fact is, there's a long held belief that for some reason humans believed that we only use ten percent of our brain, and of course that's total or stuckey as they say, we don't use only ten percent of our brain. We use one hundred percent of our brain one hundred percent of the time. Well there is a caveat to that we'll get to. This stems from the fact that your brain is comprised of ten percent neurons, and the rest of your brain is not neurons. It is global cells. We're not going to get into. That is not a science podcast. If I started talking about any of those things, I would fall flat because I've not near biologist, but that's that's how this idea of only using ten percent of your brain came about, and what Hemi sync aims to do is kind of. Allow you to use your brain. Completely. Now when I said that we use one hundred percent of the brain, hundred percent of the time kind of I mean is you have access to one hundred percent of your brain? You don't generally use one hundred percent of your brain, and this is where. We get into some really interesting crossover into the kinds of things that we talk about on this podcast. Because the thing that happens with us is that. We ended up getting into something like the default mode network. Right where you start doing things out of habit. This is a natural way for your brain to behave. Your brain was to conserve energy. It's already using the most energy out of any other part of your body in order to keep you live to keep you thinking making decisions sometimes good sometimes bad to make your heartbeat in order to make your lungs and make you breathe. All these things are controlled by your brain in one way or another, and if you had to purposely think about any of these things all the time, you'd be completely exhausted. Time and you would be able to do nothing. So your brain forms these patterns. Your neurons form patterns that allow you to do certain things without having to think about this is great in certain regards, but really really bad in harmful in other regards because this is what leads to address habits for example and. If you feel like you can't get by a day without drinking. That's a habit that you form. Your brain is used to firing in a certain pattern. And of course that could lead to some health issues and smoking or drug, abuse, or gambling or anything that is actually habit forming. The habits themselves are not necessarily bad. And when we go into mindfulness discussion here in a couple of weeks, we're going to get really deep into beading good habits and get rid of bad habits. Habits are not necessarily bad. Or just simply a thing that is that might be something of a discussion for a a Vidana. Discussion as well, but there's nothing there's nothing wrong with creating habits. You just need to be great right habits. Now Hemi sync aims to do is kind of sink, both of the hemispheres of the brain, obviously from the name. That's what it implies and. It does this through these sounds and when I get to play the the music, you'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. Basically you want to engage both sides of the brain simultaneously. In order to create a more holistic experience in more connected experience, because what happens as we get older. Is that naturally? Our brains kind of? One side of the of the brain dominates over the other right, so you might be You know really visual personnel. CYSTIC persons controlled by the right side of the brain. You might be getting the legal person that's controlled by the left side of the brain is so during your waking lives. You kind of have this default mode that you operate on based on whatever side of your brain is more dominant because it's. It's L- enough, even though your brain is technically one Oregon, you actually comprise of two breaks, and the two sides of the brain communicate via the Corpus callosum again. I'm not a neurobiologist or anything like that, so I'm not gonNA get deep into any of these things, but let's say you have brain operates, and the good thing about this is that if you have certain damage in a certain part of your brain then? Your your brain can actually up certain systems within it. To account for that, so let's say for whatever reason. You lose you lose part of the brain that is responsible for. Language well. It doesn't necessarily mean that you will be able to speak anymore. In many regards in there's there's several studies done on this. There's a lot of scientific evidence for this kind of thing. Your brain will use a different part of itself in order to allow you to use verbal skills. Now it might not be exactly the same. You might have some speech impediment because this is not the part of the brain that's assigned for that. It might be serving two purposes, but this can happen within this one hemisphere can happen with them. Both there's there's even some scientific evidence. If you lose one half of the brain that that one remaining half can actually perform the duty of both sides. It's really interesting. There's a there's a lot of experiments done with a epileptic patients, and this would have been much earlier earlier in the twentieth century when we didn't know as much as we know now even though we still know nothing. The people would do these surgeries Philip electrics where they would sever the the brain stem, and did cure the epilepsy, but what happens out of that as a lot of times, people sort of ended up getting my multiple personality disorder. Or if that's the case you might have. Outside of the brain doing different things, somebody might say something. But if you have them? Robin object. Let's say you put an object in front of him. You say all right I. need you to grabs object and tell me what you feel. The person might give a certain description of what that object like, and if you say okay well now, look at this object with your ride I instead of holding it with your left hand, you might get a completely different experience of what the person sees, and the reason is because the two halves of the brain not communicate. The brain been severed right the Corpus Callosum? This is really fascinating science. You can look all this stuff yourself I. You will definitely go down a very serious rabbit hole if you on chicken house became at some point and I I really enjoy being into this search, so Hemi sync tries to kind of bring to bring together through the use of sound. There are some. Exercises that you can do not related to Hemi sync. This is a completely different field. I can't remember the name of the exercises, but you basically perform certain motions like raw seeing your arms together or your legs and things like that. which allows both sides of the brain to coordinate? In Work Together Now as I mentioned before this lead into a lot of research with antibody experiences, so this is why when I play this music, and what needs to be very aware of the research involved in this kind of thing in. Decide for yourself if you want to continue. I the reason I don't awfully nobody talk about psychedelics and particularly particular on a psychedelic or way I never discuss my exact ritual for when I undergo a psychedelic experience is because i. I'm not a doctor I don't play winning the podcast right and so I don't want anyone to come to any harm as a result of anything that say on the guests at the very careful with the types of things that I say so as not to be liable for anybody heard themselves. I that's that's preposterous. Rotation can't kill me like Oh, suddenly maybe I don't know. Point is I expect a lot of myself, and if you are the kind of person that likes experiment on yourself you might want to. Try some of these things out. The Monroe Institute does have a trademark on the name HEMI SYNC! I'm allowed to use it as I talk about this. I would assume so as I, just merely talking about it. The music that I'm GonNa play is not from Monroe Institute, so it's okay to us here I think it's creative Commons so that should be allowed. And you can go to the Monterey suit and they have hoped horses on using this technology for various means they have They have heavy subtracts or meditation. There's some concentration there. Some for having s body experiences can get very deep into these things. People have a using their stuff for for many many decades now and as I mentioned before it has been studied by the government in order to get certain results Swish. Say So. That's kind of the basics for him. Be Sake I would to. If you want listen to the next twenty minutes, make up your own mind, but keep an open mind with everything that I talk about here. I feel like it works pretty well for me. I have not tried using Hemi. Sync to have some kind of out of body experience I. Do plan on experimenting that when I get back from my solo meditation retreat. Further Ado here is the Hemmingsen track that you can use and your mutation. Sins meetings. Sins meetings of ood meetings. Meetings. Meetings. Meetings Sins Eden. Meetings. Meetings. Sins certain. Sins edens. Meetings. Meetings! Sins. Meetings meetings. Garden. Meetings! Eden. Sins Eden. Meetings. Meetings. Eden Gardens. Burden ooh. ooh! Burden. Burden. Burden Burden Burden? Burden. Burden ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! And that's going to wrap up this episode of the PGA mind. Thank you again for listening I. Hope you find that useful, and maybe you can use it as another tool in your toolbox to improve your consciousness. As us into this I'm still on my solo meditation retreat. You can hear a little bit about the process that I'm undergoing there on the last episode understanding, true meditation, and of course when I get back from that I'll be talking about it. In touch me. Twitter is always the best place mind off chemical. INSTAGRAM MONTCALM and email Martin at the chemical. Mine Dot Com as always remember you, are it?

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Nephilim

Mythical Monsters

47:21 min | 6 months ago

Nephilim

"This episode features dramatization discussions of Sexual Violence Reproductive Rape Violence Against Minors Gore and self harm listener discretion is advised especially for those under thirteen. Please note the story. You're about to hear is not a direct retelling of any single myth about neff Elim. Today's episode combines elements from a number of legends and stories about these ancient giants for dramatic effect. If you or someone you love is struggling with suicidal thoughts or the impulse to self harm. Please seek help whether it's a therapist a loved one. Or your country's suicide hotline. These monsters are no myth. You shouldn't have to face them alone. Hi I'm Vanessa Richardson. And you're listening to podcasts. Mythical monsters the storytelling podcast where we encountered dangerous beasts and Supernatural Forces from myth and legend. Today's episode on the NEF. Elim is the third in our exploration of Abraham Legend. Last week we discussed be- Elza Bob. The so-called Lord of the flies began as a pagan God invoked by magicians to heal the sick. Now he's known as Hell's most prominent demon Prince and Satan 's right hand man. Don't forget to catch up on this tale of ancient demon -nology and early Christian exorcism if you haven't already today we'll meet the NEF Elim a half human half angel race of giants mentioned in both the book of Genesis and the noncanonical book of Enoch in the Modern Day. You're more likely to see the word neff. Elim tied to urban fantasy supernatural romance novels and even Video Games but their conception is tied to society's desire to hide and demonize victims of sexual violence as always you can find mythical monsters and all other podcast originals on spotify the Napa Limb appear in far more religious texts than the two biblical monsters. We studied previously but are nevertheless shrouded in mystery and debate their first. Biblical mentioned comes in the Book of Genesis which chronicles the earliest days of creation. After Adam and Eve leave the garden of Eden it describes a period when human beings began to increase in number on the earth. It goes on to state the NEF. Elim were on the earth in those days and also afterwards when the sons of God into the daughters of humans who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old warriors of renown. This passage suggests that the nephew lamb were the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. Exactly who each of those groups were I. Two has been the subject of debate but the dominant reading is that the sons of God are angels. The NEF Elim therefore are the offspring of angels who made it with human women the description of Neff Elim as the heroes of old warriors of renown has been interpreted as a reference to stories of ancient heroes such as Gilgamesh and Hercules in a sense the author of genesis is using the NEF Elim to explain popular Pagan mythologies folding them into their own story by linking them directly to the Hebrew God rather than denying them outright but for a more complete understanding of WHO and what the NEF Lamar we must turn to an ancient religious texts that lies outside of Biblical Canon one shrouded in his much mystery as the NEF. Elim themselves the book of Enoch dates from between three hundred and one hundred BC. It's one of many ancient texts known as biblical Apocrypha books that relate to but are not officially considered part of the Hebrew or Christian canons. Tradition states that it was written by an ancestor of Noah. It's early chapters. Offer an alternate telling of genesis focusing on a group of angels known as the watchers like much of Genesis. It's a dark violent. And often troubling tale it establishes the NEF Elim not as heroes but cursed evil beings of form of corruption so vile that they would lead God to consider the unthinkable destroying his own creation. Eden was born on the night when thunder shook the ground and lightning brought fire from the heavens to the earth. His mother is tars cries matched thunders ferocity as she begged and pleaded for him to find his way into the world. He was born upside down when his legs finally emerged. They were nearly as large as a lemon tree. Trunk is tar had screened along with her son before falling into a deep sleep. A month would pass before. She awoke even then she would never be the same as before just as Adam would never be the same as his peers from his earliest days. His incredible height made him a pariah. The villagers warned their children to steer clear of him but instead they hounded him from his earliest days. He was followed by jeers of contempt whenever he left home. Father Heyman told him to be patient with the villagers. He said that their cruelty was born of ignorance and fear. Adam was different. He had to be better. Eat them did his best but sometimes he would feel his heart fill with anger. His fists would clinch his brow. Furrow at times like this. The only thing that could calm him was his mother's voice. Eden was too large for his mother's lap but she would stroke his hair and sing to him. She told him that he was special that he had to be the bigger boy in spirit just as he was in body but though she smiled at him eat them saw the pain in her eyes. And the tremor in her voice they had always been there whenever she looked at him and this broke edens heart more than cruel words ever could. Edham once asked his father. Y Istar was so sad. Heyman said that something had happened to his tar. When Eden was born the pelting rain of that night had reached into her soul coloring it for the rest of time for wild. This was enough of an explanation. But as Adam grew he continued to notice how his mother's bottom lip quivered almost constantly tears. Gathering at her is whenever they were in the same room. When Needham was seven he decided to ask is tar what was wrong. He could no longer deny that there was something about him that bothered her just as he could not hide the fact that he barely fit in their house is tar smiled sadly and set down her sewing. Eden expected her to tell him to let the Matt arrest but was surprised when she nodded. He was old enough now she said old enough to know the truth is cars is grew hazy with memory as she stared into the fire then in a voice as sweet and smooth is honey. She began her story. Shem Yassa was not of this world his great wings were the color of dusk at times. He had two heads one staring behind while the other looked forward horns protruded from the spot where his ears should be. He was the strangest thing Estar had ever seen but he was also beautiful. Staggeringly devastatingly dangerously beautiful. He landed on the shore of the Jordan River One day. Istar had watched his descent. A Single Star plummeting from the heavens a shower of glimmering light trailed after Sham Jaza as his sandal feet walked across the sand the villagers were terrified by the sight of him. He nearly twice as tall as the largest of them but Istar had felt only wonder she'd wanted to know more. Shinozuka smiled warmly down at his tar. Pleased by the reverence. She showed in his presence. He told her that he was an angel of the Lord that all the stars in the sky were angels watching over mankind but Shem Jaza had come to do more than just watch he had led his star fall so that he might observe and guide the children of men and he was not alone. Soon others would join him as Istar looked to the heavens. She saw that his words were true. The stars were falling. They would fly over the heavens at night crashing down onto the shore of the Jordan River joining their leader. The watchers were each strange and wonderful as Sham Jaza. Some had more heads than his two others had. A Sea of is where a face should be their feathered scaled wings glittered with all the colors of the earth clouds and see and true shammas word. They had much to teach sham. Jaza knew the secrets of the heavens. He told his tar how to plant crops without depleting the soil. He taught Hayman how to mold. Meddle into sturdy weapons. That could be used against the UNRIGHTEOUS. He showed them how to make jewelry from precious stones soon. These baubles hung from his tars ears and wrists and arms they sparkled in the light from Shem Yasa's face Istar had never received such gifts before she felt special anointed and each look of Chamois Zas. Many gays made her feel like something more than herself. Chosen Y'all way had smiled upon her. God trusted his people so much that he'd sent his true children to guide mankind or so she thought one day Sham Jaza came to Istar glowing with excitement for the news he had to bring. The angels were glad to help the humans but they wanted something in return. They wish to participate in the most human of rituals they wished to procreate to beget children of their very own each watcher had selected a suitable mate and Sham Jaza wanted. Her is tars mind reeled. There was perhaps a world where she could want this. She enjoyed the angels attention but the way his many is watched her had become unsettling. There was no true curiosity here. No exchange of ideas and she loved her husband. No she did not want this. Shamas faces darkened his mouths curling into sneers. He reminded her of all the things he had taught her more knowledge than any human had a right to learn and she could not give him this one thing the one human experience that he had been denied every one of cameras gifts was tallied against her. It would be temporary. He reminded her was nine months so long. A time in exchange for all this knowledge is tar trade to Jawa for guidance. Received no answer. She consulted the village priest. He told her that to deny Sham Jaza would bring ruin on her village. No one wanted to court the wrath of an angel in the end. She decided to give Chamisa what he wanted. As soon as the thought entered her mind she could already feel her womb swelling with child. Her stomach grew several sizes overnight. Sharp pains course through her body. Soon she could not stand or even sit. Breathing began to hurt as Adams head pressed against her ribs at first Shem Jaza watched with interest but soon he grew bored with her cries of pain. He scoffed at her at the effort took for something so simple. She had done nothing but look at his final gift with contempt. He said he'd been wronged ever think she was. Special is tars heart hammered in her chest as the angel told her the time had come for him to leave. She realized she had been tricked. Shamir's had never intended to raise the child. She confronted him demanding to know how this could be Gods Wish Sham. Yuccas twin mouths smiled. He'd never said he had come to Earth. On God's orders Shamir told Star how? The watchers had grown bored of watching tired of observing humanities pathetic. Glacial steps forward there was but one benefit to their mind numbing job. The children of Eve were breathtaking. They had to have them more than that. They wanted to leave their mark to create life as their father did if being such as humans were allowed to procreate why have the angels the Sons of God been denied the same right? The rebellious watchers swore an oath to one another they would descend to earth and mate with the most beautiful women they could find whatever consequences. The heavenly father decided to visit would be shared between them. They were united in their rebellion. But y'all way had done nothing. The Creator had not raised a hand to protect his fragile. Little chosen ones the sons and daughters of Adam even sham. Jaza admitted he was surprised. Either way it was time to go home. A pitying smile glinted on his lips as he spoke. I can still watch you from. The stars is tar to not cry. She was still heavy with child when she watched. Shem Jaza ascend to heaven as the angel spread his wings. She felt eat them kick violently within her. Sending blinding pain coursing through her body. When her vision returned Shem Jaza was a distant star rising into the sky but the Lord was not as passive as Sham Jaza believed his star faltered. Suddenly and a moment later it began to fall again. Istar watched in awe as it plummeted back to Earth crashing into the swirling depths of the Jordan the celestial light sputtering out as it sank completely started not understand what she'd seen yet for a small instant. She felt lighter. She knew that she would never see Sham Jaza again. Then she'd given birth and eat them looked so much like him so much like him and though Istar had loved her son from the first moment she held him she could not look into that strange beautiful face without remembering her tail. Don Is Star cupped her tiny hand against eames massive cheek and said it hurts less each day. My Little Star. Be Patient with me. Adam cried silently next to his mother. He finally understood the rainstorm. That lived within her. Everyone had turned against her. The watchers who'd been sworn to guard and protect humanity had come to prey on them instead. The cowardly villagers had been eager to sacrifice her to help themselves. Even God had abandoned her but none had betrayed her worst than Adam himself even before his birth he had filled her body with pain. Now he served as a reminder of his who father a terrible thirst for vengeance boiled and eat them stomach. He could not forgive himself but perhaps he could do what God should have. He could wipe all evidence of Shemona's presence from the earth every human innovation bought with cruelty and deceit. The villagers had always seen him as a fiend and it turned out they were right so let him meet their expectations. Let him become a monster. God might have forgotten to punish the humans but eat them would not come hell or high water coming up. Eat them fulfills his destiny high listeners. I can't wait for you to check out the new podcast original series daily quote. If you haven't had a chance to listen yet. Daily quote is a two three minute. Podcast meant to inspire uplift and motivate your day every day hosted by my dear friend. Kate Leonard daily quote not only shares a meaningful quote from history but also gives you the context and meaning behind it and right now. I'm thrilled to be able to share today's with you. It's by the American poet singer and civil rights. Activist Maya Angelou. If you enjoy this episode make sure to follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning and welcome to daily quote. A podcast original. I'm Kate Leonard. Today's quote is from award winning author poet and Civil Rights Activist Maya Angelo. She said have enough courage to trust. Love One more time and always one more time. My Angelo is best known for nineteen sixty nine memoir. I know why the caged bird sings. It made history as the first bestselling work of nonfiction by a black American woman. Hers is a story of immense strength born in segregated St Louis Missouri. Maya could have easily grown to hate those who oppressed her. She could have allowed bitterness to define her outlook and limit her future instead. She chose to love herself and allowed that love to validate her ambitions. She became an actress and performer. A leader in the civil rights movement and an award winning memoirs and poet. It takes radical courage to love ourselves. We will not always succeed. We may feel discouraged when our goals go unmet or relationship breaks but if we can have the courage to show ourselves compassion. We will always be able to begin again this morning. Take a moment to honor the things you cherish about yourself. Acknowledge the progress. You have made on your journey of self discovery. You deserve to fall madly in love with the person you are. And the person you'll become daily quote is a daily podcast follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine and let it inform the rest of your day. Daily quote is a podcast original. If you're listening on spotify you can share this quote with your friends on social by tapping the three dots in the top right corner of the episode. Page scrolling down to share and selecting your sharing option of choice. Remember you can find new paths to positively three hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story eat them knew very little of his origins. He looked nothing like his father and his mother seemed to carry a secret pain when she looked at him so one day. He bent his massive frame into his mother's room and asked her to explain is star had not wanted to trouble her son but Adam was growing quickly and she knew she could not keep the truth from him for long so she told him about his father. The book of Enoch relates the story of watchers a group of angels who were charged by God with Keeping Watch over humanity. Eventually many of the watchers began to lust after human women and grew jealous of men's ability to procreate the Angel Sham Jaza led a group of rebellious watchers to make contact with humanity. They used their power and influence to mate with human women. These daughters of men soon gave birth to angels children a race of half angel half human beings known as the NEF Elim the debates over the Netherlands nature begin with translations of the name itself. Netflix has frequently connected to the similar sounding. Hebrew word no foul meaning to fall suggesting fallen angels but other scholars argue that it's more likely a form of an era make cognate which appears frequently in the Dead Sea Scrolls and is usually translated as giant. Whichever translation is correct. Most scholars agree upon one fact. The limb were huge with some texts. Sighting them at three hundred ells or arms length tall. Approximately the height of a one hundred floor skyscraper. In the Book of Numbers Moses Sends Twelve spies to scout the promised land ahead of the Israelites. The speiser alarmed discovered that the land is already populated by the NEF Elim and report to their leaders that to ourselves. We seemed like grasshoppers and so we seemed to them whenever giants appear in the Bible. Such as in the case of Goliath. They're usually associated with violence and bloodthirsty nece this association carried to the NEF. Elim who are described as being fierce warriors. Humans could not stand against their raw power in large numbers and the Netherland became known as great threats to the Israelites. But the god of the Old Testament had a radical solution for corruption involving a warning a dove and a very large boat. Adams world had changed for years. He'd taken his parents advice. Suffering the insults of the other children with little more than a grimace but that was over now his hands as big as boulders and twice as heavy curled into fists he could not forced the villagers to accept him but he could make their lives difficult for every insult. He smashed a hole into one of their homes and businesses when the storms came eat them ran through the streets hitting the roof of every building like a rambunctious child. He was the true storm if they could not love him they would fear him. They were weak on their own. But with the Angels Weapons. They stood more of a chance against him. They organized and eat them began to find himself routed by their numbers when he tried to venture into town one night they surrounded his parents home with torches the flickering light reflected off. They're angry glares and the blades of their weapons. Eat them wanted to throw himself into the mob to tear them limb from limb but he did not know what would happen to his parents then so he agreed to leave and never return. There were tears in his mother's is as he went and he was glad his head was so high above them that they could not see his own. He wandered in the desert for weeks at night. He stared up at the expense of sky glittering with distant stars and felt small for the first time in his life he was utterly alone then joash found him joash was NFL lamb. Like Adam a child of an angel father and human mother and Joash had found ten other neff. Elim just like them. Ten other giants with long strong limbs all of whom had been driven out from their own villages they found camaraderie and fellowship in Joe Ashes cap along with something else. A common thirst for revenge joash led the NEF Elim on raids of the countryside. Punishing humanity the way. God had punished their fathers long ago. Eat them found a new purpose in destruction. He could pull the head from a body in less than a second. A single kick from one of his strong legs could fell a tree. He felt true power surging through him. He was unstoppable joash and his men carved a swath through Canaan they widowed women kill children sacked entire villages. Their names were said in panicked. Whispers desperate cries the twelve neff Elim. There were times when Adam wondered if he was doing the right thing when the red haze of his anger receded and he felt the sunshine on his back but the rage always returned at night as he gazed at the stars at one so beautiful and so cruel he blamed no one more than God. It was God who allowed his mother to suffer who had neglected to punish the humans. Aac can one of the smaller limb always laughed at Adams musings. The wiry giants said as he ripped the door from a house. Did you ever consider that? Perhaps we are God's punishment perhaps even we're part of his plan Joash growled. We follow no will but our own go to sleep a Ken. You're drunk. It was then that eat. Them felt the first touch of rain against his skin. The NEF Elim reached out and caught another drop in his palm. It was thicker than the rains. He'd grown up with there was a viscous quality to the liquid that made it cling to the skin rather than race down to the ground. Eat them called out to the rest of the team. They peered out from half crater doorways and studied the rain with him. None of them felt there was anything different about it. It's slid down their bodies as it always had. They returned to their carousing using barrels as cups and bedsheets as Napkins fifth looked again to the droplet in his hand. He watched it sizzle and smoke burning a small circle in the skin of his palm. A-ken toasted the deluge with a great wine barrel holding it to the sky before bringing it to his lips but as he took a drink of the wine and water he began to choke the NEF. Elim watched off as A. Ken Coughed and spluttered. Soon he was hacking up dark blood and then large pieces of his own throat. The rainwater was burning right through his flesh. The other NEFF Elim scrambled for cover. But the tide was rising with unnatural. Speed joash called out to his brothers to join him on the roof of the tallest building but a single drop of the burning rain landed on his tongue. Joe Ashes is ball ged. He unleashed a silent scream. As his neck melted away from the inside out joash collapsed to the ground in pieces sliding off the building's roof and into the dark water the rain continued to fall and the flood continued to rise consuming the wreckage. The NEF Elim had left behind even waded through the dark viscous water fighting to keep as much of his body above the surface as possible. Any part of him that touched the liquid burned with an intense searing heat. Huge patches of his skin were turning red and black before his eyes he wanted to scream to beg for the pain to end but he knew that the moment he opened his mouth he would swallow the deadly water so he kept moving fighting through the burning water until he reached the tallest building. He pulled himself onto the roof and collapsed onto his back. He lay there exhausted. The rain continues to fall but it felt like a light tingle compared to the intense fire he had just dragged himself out of eventually. He pushed himself to his feet and looked around for the other neff. Elim there was nothing left of his companions the village or the surrounding desert everything had been consumed in the dark water which was still rising and enormous. Wave was barreling toward him. There was nowhere left to go eat. 'em closed his eyes and awaited his fate up next eat them escapes the frying Pan and enters the fire. Now back to the story eat them lashed out at his village seeking to punish them for their inaction against his angel father but they drove him away. He was lonely and full of self hatred when he met Joe Ash and the other neff Elim Joash taught him how to fight how to kill and how to destroy but not even their great size and strength could protect them from the strange flood beginning to swallow the land of Canaan according to the book of Enoch the conception of the Netherland coincides with the human race growing increasingly evil in part due to the knowledge and weapons they acquire from rebelling angels this overwhelming corruption both men's actions and the Netherlands existence leads God to send a great flood to destroy nearly all of creation leaving behind only noah his family and the creatures on his arc. The passage suggests that the Neville were destroyed in the deluge and yet they're reported as occupying Canaan in the time of Moses over one hundred fifty years later in numbers chapter thirteen verse. Thirty three some noncanonical texts explain their survival by saying that some neff Elim clung to the hall of Noah's Ark Through the flood. Eventually sneaky away as the waters began to recede but their punishment was not over yet the few Neville who did survive the flood soon met an even darker fate one that would forever seal their identity as corruptors of the human race edem floated through swirling darkness. How long he could not say for a time. He thought he must have been dead that his body dissolved like his brethren and that his spirit had been carried outside of time but then the burning pain returned crashing over him with the pounding waves. The waters had burned him. Yes but for some reason. They had not destroyed him. Like the rest of Joe Ashes crew. He did not know why he'd been spared. Perhaps it was a boon for his mother's long unanswered prayers. Perhaps the Creator had seen his fear as a sign of respect other neff. Elim had not offered or perhaps God simply wasn't finished with him. Whatever the reason he floated on through the endless e never quite able to break through to the surface time lost all meaning whether day or night. The Sky above the surface remained gloomy grey. He encountered no other living things in the dark swirling water. Not even fish. He had never been more alone. Edens shut his eyes for an eternity. Picturing drowning stars. His mother had seen only days before his birth. The light of the watchers had flickered died as they plunged into Jordan slowly. The water began to change. Light penetrated the surface from high above. It became warm again but not with the searing heat. He'd known before Adam felt his limbs. Stir with new life. When Eden finally crawled onto the shore. He stood and turned to face the water. The reflection stared back at him. Was nothing like the body. He'd known before his skin had burned away completely revealing leathery scales. His fingers had become talons. Along curved tail extended to his feet. The water had not just burned away his old form. It had revealed his true self as Adam stared at. His reflection of boy suddenly echoed all around him at one. Soothing and thunderous eat them. You have been spared. Many of your brothers are gone. Returned to their natural home with their fathers in the depths. I have given you the life they would have begged me for. You need only serve your purpose. The voice paused the weight of the moment like a storm about to break eat. Them was overcome by the weight of all he had experienced. Did you want me to ask what that purpose is? The Sky was quiet. Eden shook his head. He didn't care why he had been saved. He would do what he wanted just as he always had. He waved his hand at the gathering storm and began to walk into the desert. He wondered for a long time perhaps even longer than he had been in the water. Eventually he reached a civilization a new town leaping up alongside the river. It looked no different than the villages he'd known before the flood he could smell wood smoke and cooked meat long. Before he reached the city children's laughter reached his ears. He spotted them a small group playing together on the riverbank. Eat embraced for screams of horror as he approached instead. The children continued on with their game racing past without ever acknowledging that he was there. Eames blood boiled. He roared at the children. Don't you know who I am? But the children just went about the game as if nothing had happened all except one a little boy sitting away from the others looked up at him is round and wide. Who Are you? The boy asked? Adam crept closer to the child. The boy was covered in bruises and one eye was swollen and black. Eat them asked if the boy could hear him. The child nodded. He'd heard every word even looked back to the group. No one else had noticed. Anything eat 'em was measured when he spoke next. I am Eden of Canaan devour of souls destroyer of villages. I am wrath and rage. Undying the boys scuffed his foot along. The dry ground apparently unimpressed. I feel that way. Sometimes I get so angry. I can barely move. Even blinked. Well hit something then. The boy blinked back as the idea had never actually occurred to him before he threw his whole weight. At a nearby fence post it toppled over the boy looked up at Adam squinting to discern his features as the giants silhouette blocked out the Sun. What's next he asked? Adam smiled finally feeling like himself. He rumbled do it again. There are two endings to the story. The first has them washed away in the great flood. The stragglers being murdered by heroic Israelites as they conquer. Their new promised land. The other says a few particularly violent giants became demons tempting the children of men toward sin and violence but in both cases there scapegoats symbols of the savage and violent nature. That man is meant to overcome but in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Some Christians found another purpose for the NEF lamb. They became way to prove that the events of the Bible were not mere allegory but historical fact in seventeen o five a group of massive fossils were unearthed near claw. Orrock New York cotton. Mather the Puritan preacher often referred to as the architect of the Salem witch trials argued that these were the remains of Neville Him who perished in the great flood. We now know they were in fact. The remains of a Mastodon in October eighteen sixty nine Gideon Emmons and Henry Nichols discovered ten foot tall. Three thousand pound petrified corpse of a giant man while digging a well on land belonging to a farmer named William Newell in Cardiff New York. It was put on display as a popular tourist attraction known as the Cardiff giant. But this wasn't a fossil. It was an out and out hoax nmls cousin. George Hull had commissioned the massive giant to be carved out of a solid block of gypsum and buried it. He wasn't just out for money. Either Hall had gotten into an argument with a methodist revivalist. And he later wrote that he spent the night after wondering about why people would believe those remarkable stories in the Bible about giants. Why did the card giants visitors believe these remarkable stories Andrew Dickson white the first president of Cornell University described his experience of viewing the Cardiff giant at the height of its popularity lying in its grave with the subdued light from the roof of the tent falling upon it and with the limbs contorted as if in a death struggle it produced almost weird effect? An era of great solemnity pervaded the place. Visitors hardly spoke above a whisper. The Neville inspired a sense of all of ancient history of simple and savage right and wrong their cruelty and eventual transformation into demons suggests that the sins of the father can be laid at the feet of his sons and that violence begets violence. History doesn't like to grapple with sexual violence and folklore even less so but the NEF elim reinforces conscious cultural desire to justify that denial the story suggests that the product of a rape is inherently evil corrupted in its very nature the NEF Elim were so irredeemable they had to be wiped from the Earth but we can never fully escape Even if their bodies have been wiped away in a cataclysmic flood they manifest again as demons. Tempting men to anger and vengeance. These celestial giants still capture our imaginations both in our fascination and our guilt monsters beget monsters and we feel better when we slay them restoring the natural order yet. They still whisper to US reminding us how very small we really are. Thanks for listening to mythical monsters. We'll be back next week with a new episode. You can find all episodes of mythical monsters and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already. 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"Deeper would the Dolans wins is brought to you by honey. Save money while shopping online at joint. Honey DOT com slash Dolan. Twins should not sound like so much of a radio show host. When I say that I think it was good. I think it was good. Thanks PRETTY SMOOTH. Thank you all right. Let's do it As my mic on Yup. Hello hello check check check check check okay. I think we're all good Brian this year. What time here at the is this your second time now to talk ranking by the cars on. Nice thank you guys. Welcome back to the Dome Twins Recording Day. Sorry we're recording of our new house and we wanted to say that I don't know we wanted to say I don't know I feel good. I feel good to be here so good. You don't even know what to say There's something different about like owning. A house actually feels like home. You know what I mean. Yeah we were renting in La for like four years. Five five and I was just kind of felt like my life was just like on the the go. You know what I mean like. I was kind of living at a out of a suitcase but not was. It was like a hybrid between suitcase living in house. Living like I knew that whatever put a closet and had to take out when we when we move exactly like racing just so I I ordered a new bed frame and Grayson. Shit on it when I ordered it. He said that's the ugliest remember and the couch. It's fucking cooled. It showed up and it's actually cool. Thank you nice. Things realize that. How's it look? He said it looks really Nice. It was built well constructed really well over there in your room so I start building my bed frame and I'm a fucking building bedframes because it's just so tedious and annoying and I hate doing that stuff and I'm building like do fucking move over. He just comes in and starts building it and then I start trying to help him get out of here. Do let me just build it. And I'm like okay this house. It doesn't matter if it's your room. I just want things in this house. Done the right way. Directions there's no possible way to fuck up. Yeah you could figure it out. I'm telling you you could figure it out how to fuck it up eastern. He's he's a great builder's assistant. I will say that. But when he he say he needs to practice. You WanNa Bill muscle-building him a shell. If you want to build all my stuff be my guest. I wish it you lay down on this couch in my underwear and I'll just relax. I'll see a Nice Cup of coffee. You can get real cozy up play some music and you can just go and build Edens GonNa the appliances and stuff so I did. I did fix the showers so we moved in here anyway. Guys let me update you showers. I shower is not an appointment. I WANNA hear. I WanNa hear what you did to the shower. This is the shower nozzle and appoints. How would you say it's? It's an applying to cesary and it's a plumbing. Good Plumber Your I. I'll take I'll take the fucking title anyway. So let's let's update everybody listening you guys so we bought this House last July. Yes so we we're nineteen and we had never before and that's also very young so you don't really know a lot of things in life yet. Nineteen when you even though you think you do and it was only eight months ago so I feel like I learned a lot more eight months but we were looking for houses when We were one thousand nine hundred and we wanted to buy one actually. Here's a story this I. I went surfing one day because Ethan thinks surfing is tedious in. You didn't like getting Sandy. So I I go by myself. Walking hate getting Santa my underwear. It's the worst thing ever dude. I'd rather not maybe the details but even more of a sit in the backyard by the Pool Guy than he is a server. I'm more of like the I like to get out and get roughed up by waves in and just have a good time everytime we went surfing together. I call way more waves than you think. That's true but whatever I was surfing my mom's visiting US and my mom is is the last person to ever approve of a purchase. That Ethan and I make no matter what it is. She has argument as to why we should not buy it. I guess you want to protect us. She doesn't want to spend all our money. I would say we're pretty pretty smart benders. We don't really we don't really spend money. We can what he's trying to say that we can be way more a we. We can be more of assholes than we are and like we we try not to be astles spending. Yes so this is what I knew that this was the move so I was surfing. I and my mom were just home. I think even like Yoga. He had some. You were sick or something like that. And that's what she came out to make sure you're right because he needs his mommy and fuck it and my mom and they went house hunting because it was a Sunday and there was open houses. This is last year and my mom called me out of the blue. Like I just got off to serve the off of my surfboard of the ocean. It like these like ten foot wave in picked up my fucking phone out of my pocket and my what pocket ski. I saw. Low Subtle Brag. They're not I didn't happen. I could barely catch three-foot way all right back to the story. They called me was at the beach and they're like. Hey we're but we're going to buy this house and I was like. What are you talking about either? It was like we're going to buy. This house was like what house when we were looking for houses he was. My mom gets on the phone. She degration you need to. And I'm I wasn't even looking for houses. Here's the thing. I was looking for houses all along. So I've been looking for a house to buy in L. A. For probably two years just because I'm tired of renting only pissing. My money away. I I am glad that I waited as long as we did to buy. Because I probably would have bought something that I would regret it and then I would have to sell it. And then that's just way more of a process so I I was kind of like surf and truly and Zillow realtor websites and I love real estate I just love properties and stuff and I think it's so cool that you can own a piece of earth. If like you know like I feel when I purchased this house. My hard work paid off like I can own a piece of earth like that. It's something that actually makes you feel good when you buy you. Don't like it it. It never goes away to that. Good feeling it's like sometimes you like splurge a expensive designer item. I'm a fucking idiot like I barely even wear this but it's like I bought this house. I barely live in this house. Because it's where you live you know what I mean. I mean it's like I do chores at will lie a up and I like make sure the water the garden having a baby do elections change my houses diaper every day. Yeah so anyway Back to when I was like surfing the Web. I saw this house and something that big. It's like Greece on our league minimalist and it just has a really really nice property A lot of trees It doesn't look like California when I'm here. Kind of reminds me of it's like a mix between Jersey in California. It's it's I feel like I'm in my own world and it's just very mean Ethan. So that's that's why we're like okay this house It's not as big as the other ones that we were interested in. It's not as fancy but it's us so we decided to get this house and then we're going to make it fancier And we've done a decent job at doing that so far just because it it does need some work. There's a lot of things that don't work like for example the shower head when we moved in The water wasn't getting cold cold. Getting hot wasn't getting hot. It was getting very fucking cold. We call the plumber and a couple of guys to come over and everyone looked at. It was wrong. I think you need like bigger pipes under the house and Shit and I was like That sucks and then I was like you know what I took a fucking screwdriver. And I pried the shower nozzle thing off and I found this dial in there and I like set the dial I screwed a little bit more counterclockwise and now my shower can get all the way hot you can get way too hot it basically just. Ut took the thing off at in four minutes it says turn for hot and then turn for cold and he turned for hot and then he put it back on and then it gets hot. Now this is this is another thing about owning a house that you have to watch out for. We had a plumber come by and gives it like to to look at the the shower and she was wrong with it and gives a quote. Because we're not plumbers and he was like. Oh you know like this is a three hundred to three hundred dollar job just to see if it works and then you know maybe a might have to buy other parts of this. Could be a thousand dollars per shower and I looked at Ethan and I spoke to him in our language that we have thank God. We have that secret. Language was like this dude is lying through his fucking teeth right now because. I know that that's not the issue at the shower. I just had a feeling and he stuttering when he was saying did eaten. I said in our secret language. I said this guy's fucking lying right now and as you said art our thanks for looking. We're we're going to. We're going to try to fix it ourselves. He left fixed in four fucking minutes for zero dollars. So that's another thing that you have to look out for when you own a house because the world like wants to take advantage of but whatever. Let's let's get a more positive note but even yeah even even plumbed. The showers did a good job. Dude that's positive value but I was ready to let them look at it and pay him. Because I'm you know I'm new to this shit I'm like I don't know I don't know. There's a lot to learn GRAYSON. Saw A on youtube like three days ago about like. This is the videos I watch on Youtube. So there's A. There's a video of a secret camera. They know they hide cameras in these houses and they set up like electricity plumbers and they were like really easy jobs. So they'll unscrew a bolt in in a pipe or like just undo part of like the electrical bracket. That's a really easy like zero dollar fix you just put it back in and they had these plumbers combine these trips going by and like they all go back up to the owner and they don't know they're on camera and the You know this is going to cost like five hundred dollars. The brackets burnt out. And I have to buy a new one and replace it. And then they're like okay and then the fucking whole crew comes out like this is actually the issue like if you're a licensed plumber. Then how did you not know that this was the issue like everyone wants scam? You so just watch out. But I don't and I'm a licensed plumber. 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And that's fucking stupid but then again like I didn't learn that in school and I feel they should teach that stuff in school Even like online school. I didn't learn any of that. Shit so My Mom taught me so. Thanks mom and then we figured it out and then we got the house. Do you think That people take advantage of because you're younger to kind stigmas. We're young. Our assistant is young. Everyone here that's at our house all day. That helps out or like with with getting the new things put in is young so like like we had a guy because we had two trees were dead in our front yard and they they're redwoods California redwoods so they're like really rare only really grow northern California never never in southern pretty much but we had three and our property one is striving to were they were like twins can either be twins that were connected at the bottom and they split into one two but they were both dead and then when they're dead they call them widow makers because they fall in your house and bad things happen so I was like my room is right there. I was that we need to get these trees moved. I our assistant to to get a few guys. Come over and give us a quote on how much that job would be I talked to a few people that have had done in. My Mom's having trees removed on her property. And these guys are like eight hundred dollars for a day to remove six trees so is like okay. Six six hundred androids like. That's that's cool. Her trees are a little bit smaller than these. I was like it should be like a thousand dollars. This guy comes by often before grand forty seven. He tells me assistant that because she looks young and then we have another guy come guy. He's Oh come five grand and on my Bra. No it's not. We finally get guys honest guys to come by and they give us for a thousand dollars which seemed reasonable so thank God for those honest people and they were great and and they also cut a piece of the the trunk out. Because I'm going to build a coffee table with Ethan out of it and now we have a really rare piece of wood that you can't get in California. We just have an own land that the tree died on so so now we can make this really cool custom coffee table that we wouldn't be able to anywhere. Also when we D- bark this tree has bunks crawling all over me. I D bark to the tree but it just shows it's crazy that the tree looked so beautiful when it standing and it does such beautiful things that gives back to like the environment and humans. It makes oxygen and it's a homework genius. It's a home for birds and stuff and then Holy Shit also when when it dies and it's time to like come down. We're using it to make a piece of furniture. We debar thing in the wood underneath. It is beautiful patterns in it. It's just crazy. How fucking awesome mother? Nature? I WANNA lick the whole entire circumference of that's trunk. It looks good ed very smooth and I heard this thing the other day and this guy said somewhere. I don't even know where it was talk. I think it was this guy. Saying your tongue knows exactly what it would feel like to lick any surface that you look at even if you've never looked at before it's interesting thinking about it. Like this Krista here right yeah you know what would you do? Yeah The candle everything. Everybody listening look around and look at an object and tell me that you wouldn't know what it would feel like if you do you know what it feels like on your tongue. You immediately do just by staring at it. That's like we but not even touch with your hand you. Oh what would that feel it? But your tongue knows it's weird but back to what I was saying. You could do things like that when you own a house like so now. We have that tree. That was amazing died. Unfortunately we had to get we get it off the property so that it wasn't dangerous but now we have pieces of furniture that made out of it. And there's a backstory to those pieces of furniture. We made seven. Were making seven stools at of pieces of the wood and one coffee table and now anyone that comes over the Oh. That's cool coffee table. If the you know because it's going to be refund. Colbert making cool. They're going to be. Oh and then I'll be. Oh yeah this is actually true. That was on the property. It's a rare tree in California. It guy so nice. The reason why grazing builds is so that when people are like. Oh that's cool. It'd be fucking built with my bare hands. The amount of times he tells me that day was building my bed frame. So that someone's like dances sick bed frame. He's a guy built it. I'm a Grayson who the fuck is going to be asking. You are if you built. The housekeeper. Came over for the first time and she said your bed frame is really cool. Did you build it and I said Yeah and get ego problem. I don't we does feels good bro every night when I go to sleep on something that I made. I think that's cool. Grayson isn't accomplished. I feel accomplished when I do it. But here's the reason ego problems. We're just building my bed frame before. And the was on the left side of the bed and I was on the right side of the bed and he was using the drill on the left side and he couldn't reach over to my side and pass me the drill. I'll go this. I no no no. He wouldn't let me use the drill like yes to be the one who drills every screw broke. Anyone can use a drill and obviously just look so fucking. Sorry trying to drill a hole bro. He's like Oh and then it goes sideways guys guy so even got this piece of wood from this place because he's making a desk out of it well. I'm making his desk now but I love it. I I was making my desk and you took every. Let me tell them why he fucking. He's you cut. The sides the sides I sanded it down. And then he was like we had to move the piece of wood inside overnights didn't crack outside because the moisture we get in in. Split the wood. He's it's not that heavy of a piece of what it's relatively heavy but I I picked it up. Put on the table very gentleman. He fucking drops it in the driveway. Thousand dollar one of a kind piece of wood that any fucking drops it in the driveway like does like Bro. I would never do that. And that's why I'm building it so that you don't break the fucking thing before it's the worst sweetly fine here that I had a Grayson's ego coming through. It's a heavy piece of wood. I picked it up and it was completely fine. You could lift heavy things. No that's the explaining that it's not like wasn't physically impossible to pick up the piece of what I did it ten times I would just pro. It's started squatting in twisting my words what I'm saying is it was I moved. It has the same physique as me. He is the same physical capabilities but he dropped it. Because he's fucking care because just seconds ago we were doing workouts in Grayson was like brock and fifteen more reps in New Brunswick so much stronger than you about the the amount of the amount of strength that I have in my body is way more than again. Great Grayson told me. Yesterday goes do tree. You cut me over. And you see the rings of Muscle. I have like seventy layers you open. You have to have two layers of muscles to rings of Muscle in your body. That's that's what it would look like. You just said that. I had the Ethan. We'll do. This is a fucking pet peeve of mine like I train calisthenics which is like. It's almost like gymnastics but it's not. It's a really fun way to work out. Having retired before easing is like trying to do it with me. You'll come out with the sloppiest form and if you do. I've watched every single night I go to sleep. I watch ten videos the shit so I want to have the best form and be able to do things and I feel proud when I'm able to accomplish new things you wanna be able to do. Anything comes out with Shitty fucking form and yeah no shit. You could do it because you're not doing it. The proper way. And he comes in and he walks while he do what I can do and he. Can't that pisses me off. There's an ego problem. It's not bro. People people would understand talking about getting ripped off and pay for things that maybe you don't really have to be paying for cellphone bills. That's one of them. Because you Kinda you have to pay. You need to use your cell phone and these big providers are just jack the prices of these bills and You don't actually have to be paying for it. It's like they just know that you kind of will just like the plumber who tried to charge for. It's not cool looking at our shower head. Would that I fixed. And I'm about being fair and helping humans and plumbing the right way. Mid Mobile provides the same premium network coverage. You're used to but at a fraction of the cost because everything is online mobile saves on retail locations and overhead. Then passes those savings directly to you. That's cool saved that money. Mitt mobile makes it easier to cut your wildest bill down to just fifteen bucks a month. That is that's lesson that's very pleasant. Every PLAN COMES WITH UNLIMITED. 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Eight thirty in the morning tomorrow. And I'll post. I said he goes dude. I don't fucking get you Bro. You when you work and I'm like you know what I had headphones in. I didn't know I was morning but also I would rather be ten times as strong as you end moaned than like. He's ten times weaker than me and he doesn't own but I'm ten times stronger than him and I do. Moan and I just said I said I think you know it's not that fucking bad if you personally said I'd rather get four less reps and not moan then get four more reps and sound like I'm sticking something up my ass you know. The thing is that's fucked. Don't say that okay. You know the thing. I like We have a heavy coffee maker and I moved. I put it up on the counter the other day when I am boxed and I was like oh well listen. We've fucked up. Shut the fuck up. Because I'm gonNA explain what I was about to say. He's at a spleen. I I was like dude. This feel so much heavier if I was easing I. I put it on the counter. I was like if I was eating. I could've through my fucking backout up ten times stronger than him so I did it. Here's the thing about my life is easier because I'm not as fucking week as Ethan. I Walk Around this House. And no him the king of this bitch. I got the master bedroom. And guess what I don't got shit to prove Grayson. You have the master bedroom simply because I had it in the last half walking around like fuck. I wish I had that master. Look what you could do fucking acrobatic flips Ethan. Fuck I can know. You're damn I wish I better taste an interior designers either. Oh that's going to get something approved me? I'm I'm just enjoying life and living in this house I'm loving it and Grayson's out here with a proven that's about lately. Let me look at me looking at you. Tell the actual truth. I'm telling the truth put like look at me. You know that you're not as good as interior designers. Me You fucking know that Ethan. Tell me the truth. I Know No. Don't even fuck around for. I'm not even for the listener to laugh. Tell the fucking actual truth. Your brother who is better at interior design me. That's not broke. Your fucking readers taste you know no because Leeson fucking ridiculous. I've helped you out with every single thing that I actually found the blueprint for your floating match guys. Listen listen guys. I'm going to take a photo of what our bedrooms done. You're completely in charge of yours. I'm completely in charge of mine. We'll take photos of them will share them or some shit like that or whatever it is. I'm going to get a lot of people's opinion on who has a nicer more static more matching room of an easy consistent. Vise and easy for me right and you judge it. Yeah I'm excited for that. You be the only one all that a lot of people judge it but that that'd be a good judge pick off your foot student saying you're bad but like just wait. I'm on Pinterest so much but my my passion is so much higher than yours. And it's just funny how that's not how your your skill doesn't reflect. That's fucking through. That's bogus all right but I mean that was nice. That was like low event session for you guys. Interior design. The thing is i. Just everything just looks cleaner and my shit like I wanna be minimalist and you have junk piled up everywhere your fucking small. I don't have a closet yet. Where am I supposed to put Michael? Also Grayson has the tackiest Halloween and Christmas decorations. That he won't like fucking taking up so much space and he's like dude. We're having no clear at the new house we're being minimalistic. Any moves in and he's just as shit everywhere you look at our shit yet. Cabinetry in the hallway over there and there's a lot of space in it and I had Christmas and Halloween decorations that are cute. And do you don't understand right now because it's summer but when fucking October's around you're going to be like oh I want to decorate. I want to feel the fucking vibes and guess what you go in the closet. You take it out and you feel the vibes. You're not gonNA WANNA fuck Nive to home goods and get more fucking decorations. It just nice to have because I wrote simply ever of you don't like decorating. You're a fucking psychopath. Diy decorate for every season. And then. That's the opposite of being a minimalist. That's more give us more work. No it's not because guess what. I have friends that'll help. And guess what I'll decorate the whole house with the stuff. That is very cheap and I can throw it away when it's done dude instead of having a piece of materials. So how'd you like to me? I like having a decoration. That comes out every year and then you get emotional connection. Is it a waste materials? Or is it a sign from homegoods and then having now more demand for restock a waste materials because now they companies need produce more? That's debatable. So that we're GONNA have to Don. We're GONNA have to look at numbers but I'm I'm just saying like there's some decorations and they're gonNA take out all this me last Halloween. When I had a Greek Time. Yeah because there's some decorations in there that. I don't give shit about yet. Well that's fucking psychotic you that kid that could easily just throw his stuffed animals when he was young. No didn't even care about. Fuck your motion stuffed animal tyrone backyard again that I would never ever get rid of. It's gone I haven't seen that in seventeen at Grandma's house did definitely gone like twice. And she brought up with her. I'm GonNa find tyrone all right. We'll see grandma's probably listening so grandma. Can you please look for tyrone? I don't think they tyrant is with US anymore. That's fucked up with something. What's he with the recycling? That's come on dude. Don't do tyrod earth adding back in some way. So he's a very considerate means giving back yard again so speaking about backyard again or backyard. A backyard again. Our backyard is too small right now but we have so much more property that is being used and we're going to. We're we have plans to do a lot to this house. In one of those is to make big back yard and I don't know it's going to cost a lot of money I think in and it's sad because you have to give away your money do that stuff. But the thing about houses that it technically. It's like notes an investment if you spend smart on a house it's literally like just moving your money into another bank account And that's what that's why owning a house is is awesome. Yeah because you're not throwing that money away you're living it every day. You're enjoying it to a home on the top five most important things list free. It's a family friends home. And then I got to figure out there fucking other to earlier than you're kind of saying like they don't teach it in school if you could maybe give like you guys both like maybe a top three things that you've learned more advice that you would give to somebody who maybe in the future thinking about possibly looking and buying homes. What would that be to kind of say? Hey this is what I would tell you. That's a good point. I one thing I want to say. Who's going first? Grayson okay okay so generic holy nude. I thought I was going. I just had a generic thing. Can I start? No because you've some generic as you go number one. This is above all on when you're looking for a house more attractive to find a cheaper house because you're like. Oh well I have to pay less money for that property and also it's like okay. I guess that's number two. Well let me just go for number one. Yeah so it's more attractive to find a cheaper house but you have to look at buying house as an investment always because you know things can change maybe you wanNA switch it up. Maybe you WANNA move in five years. And you have to make sure that the properties always appreciating not depreciate So it can't like it has sue. You know maybe make sense for you but also make sense for another family. That would buy it. So put yourself in someone else's shoes you know just for resale anyway. Here's the thing about the cheap thing I was looking for houses and I wanNA spend in this range I want to spend in this range and then I moved it up a little bit and I was me. Maybe I spend it your this assuming that people can just move up there fucking budget but not everyone can do listen well. Hasn't Max Budget? Everybody has a budget. And everybody's isn't minimum right. Yes thank you so maybe don't look at your minimum budget. Look towards your Max Budget because it is an investment and that would just mean if you have to do less work to the house way more likely to get your money back because you buy a house in your immediately attached to it and you'll okay. I'll spend money on this because I wanna make it my own whereas if you move into something that's kind of livable already. But you had to pay extra money to move into it your way more likely to not get carried away by spending to make it more convenient for you on the cheaper house so if you buy a house for a little bit more money you will probably be more likely to make money on that. You know what I mean. Even you buy like the the the the less knock off version of what you're looking at in the be okay but with that being said you have to take time to learn the market. And you can't just look at one house and then make an emotional decision before you even learn the market. It's hard because home so so for us it took like Yeah it's it's so emotional. We we saw this. We love the property. Love the house everything and then we still had to even though he kinda made the decision to get this house. We looked at ten more. And we're okay so we found roughly. How how much money buys you? What square footage. Wise like the like most modern most Currently renovated up-to-date and in size So we're like okay so if you want to get this house of this is that is relatively new in this area. It's going to be this money this much money and we knew that amount and then we on the backs that we knew. You WanNa get us more than this area. This is going to be this much amount and then we're able to kind of like C. Which we felt more comfortable about and then made the decision and we. We didn't like move to fast emotionally. Even though we did move a little faster than yeah we. We lucked out with this. It also be pick the houses that aren't that that look nice but then they're like a little bit cheaper than you is that when cheaper because you know the market already and something must be wrong with it. Not only how the House looks out functions. It's the pipes underneath. It's the the roofing. It's everything that you'll have a problem with like two years that you're gonNA have to spend a lot of money to fix. That's probably why it's a little bit cheaper so I also like also like all. It's not so when it comes to houses. It's not the cheaper the better. That's what I'm trying to say because it is. It is technically just investing your money putting another bank account. It's not spending your mind. That's what people get confused. You do it the right way. You learn the market What you will. Don't don't be too intimidated by it. Just take your time. You'll it's fun. It's so fun in other things like the pressure of being youtuber. It's a big trend for Youtubers to get mansions and I'm not. I'm not shitting on anybody like I fucking. I'm so happy that all these youtubers are able to get themselves really nice homes like dude like just five years ago. Youtubers just like like there weren't important instance they. They weren't successful. They did stupid. Goofy fucking videos and now bro. Like I can name. Ten youtubers fucking. `Let us homes like are are still making amazing content and like like working efficiently and is fucking awesome. I love seeing that but to me when look house hunting I had. I felt pressured to be like. Oh Shit I wanNA Mansion House tour and it gets more views. You know what I mean and we didn't get a mansion. We've got a house that I feel better than I think I would imagine. I'd feel less. I think a mansion to me would feel a little bit lonely when I get a family and all that shit and I have ten kids. I'm going to need a bigger house and I want that one day but the time is now. I live with my twin brother or twenty. We fucking live together. You know like it's it's to me. It wasn't time for a mansion. I don't I don't want to be tied up in La because a lot of our life also is New Jersey Australia. We go there fully months. Outta the year so we decided to hold back and be a little bit more conservative with this House and kind of maybe give us room to purchase somewhere else. We want to the near future. But that's what I was saying. I felt pressured to like. Oh you should be buying a mansion right now but then I was like dude you know what your content in this house and you could. It doesn't matter like I was putting the pressure on something else too much to dictate. Where my where I was going to take my life. I don't need this in order to do this. Like all I need is my fucking self to do what I WANNA do. Right those all. I need a big house to make better videos but no I don't I just need myself to fucking think a little harder to make better video so that uh this is a very homey house like this to me thank you. It was like a home and I'm not saying mansions don't sometimes they don't think this is something. That's very like to be honest. I just don't think I deserve a mansion yet like I got a lot of ways to go. You know what I mean. Yeah and I think that maybe getting that would've been me settling down too much. Yeah now we have a lot more freedom to invest in other things that we're interested in rather than just a big house. You know what I mean home is. The Ingraham was saying a lot of the other youtube. He's very happy for people. Buying Nice large homes I the reason I don't think it's like so Flexi when people get mansions and stuff is because a home is such an investment. You know what I mean. It's like you're you'RE BEING SMART. You'RE GONNA get your money backing and you might even get more money and you're gonNA make money on it so if you buy a Lamborghini and shit like that's why kind of feelings about that because it's like. Yeah you know. It's it's fun inches. That's if that's if you like cars people to that about watches to our investments so I spend much. Yeah Yeah we spend car amounts of money on watches not trying to fucking be bag or try to flex right now under saying but they means something to me sentimentally and they're also investment pieces. Yeah because I've done my research on them. I know the backstory of these brands. That I'm buying from like I know the history. I know what year these complications were made in these watches. And like like I know where. It's going study patterns and all that. Shit like to me having my Bronco outside my house right now is bothering me. Because I don't need it. I don't know anything about classic cars like classic cars collections. For some people I know nothing about it. Just let the car cool so I bought it and he was devas- stupid. Yeah I sp- I wasted money on. It wasn't an investment and I I don't drive. It wants to buy it. Surprise me with it but like he he knew I wanted to. Yeah I'm offer selling it. That really doesn't really do anything for me. Sorry so somebody wants a Bronco. Let me know. Let me take someone else to be happy with someone who knows about cars exactly six. We don't know how to get it fixed. If if I need a fix my watch or if I need to take it somewhere to like you know get another link autism. Shino exactly where to go into exactly what to do. You know what I mean. If we want to upgrade and get a better watch I know exactly which one to go to but with this car. Pass spending if you're spending car amounts of money on anything you need to do your research and know exactly what the fuck you're buying because that's where we fucked up in the past good advice so with that being said if anyone's the Broncos for sale they go all right let's sell this thing you please take the Bronco honestly. Exercise has got me through every single day. My stress levels down a lot and These vary essential right after the quarantine definitely do even though Grayson is telling me that my form socks and Yelling at me. He's my personal trainer or something And he doesn't understand that he didn't hire him to do that. I'm still having a good time working out. It's really helping me and you know it helps with that. What all birds because they just came out with a new tree Dasher. The world's first performance of running shoe made from premium natural materials. Those shoes you got right and they look sharp don't they? 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I'm just black coffee kind of guy another thing that I wanted to tell you. Michelle is that. We're building an epic coffee bar here. That's always wanted to have in my house because I just love coffee so much and and we don't any other bores besides pull up bars. Woody mean bars is a coffee bar so yeah we fucked with the coffee bar and a pull up bar every other bar. Fuck like OATMEAL BAR DID. Have One of those with it. We will have. I Love I love. I Love Coffee. I Love Coffee Dylan Michelle. I'm not an angry sober. Gentlemen this name what this is cool. We're GONNA play a little guessing game here. We go the next year. Add up all right. I'll give you hint. It's one of the types of cars that we have at fucking took your time. Broncos eighties Mercedes Mercedes G. gyarfas. Can you read it? I can't there's a Mercedes G. E. R. Fast F. A your boss boy. Mercedes are fast. Could be that. Oh mercy's fest especially the not if she's outside. Am G. ooh. 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The Craft Behind Asheville's Beer Scene

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46:35 min | 2 years ago

The Craft Behind Asheville's Beer Scene

"Hello earth actually. Hello universe? Yeah, we are here to tell you that in addition to Tuesdays and Thursdays, when you can get your regular stuff, you should know episodes just as you always have the last ten thousand years await tenure tenures. We're now adding a whole new episode of a spin off show. That's really the same show. It's just a shorter episode. It's called short stuff. Yeah. We said, hey, sometimes we have topics that maybe aren't robust enough to fill out a full forty five minutes stuff. You shouldn't episode, but we don't want to shortchange these topics these people. And so let's just make him short, get over here, short stuff and Trump in our feet. Right. Exactly. It's kind of like the Roper to our three's company. Yeah, or it's kind of like after mash to mash. Exactly. Although it's like neither one of those because those were regular links. This is shorter everybody. Yep. So you can go to apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts or just look for it in your feet, every Wednesday from your friends, Josh, Chuck. Jerry at stuff you should know shorter is sometimes better. And that's where the door person you checked. Our ID's said, be careful in there. It's delicious. Hello and welcome to save her. I am an ear and I'm Laurin vocal bomb in one of these days. I'm going to get used to the name of our show one of these days as you may or may not know re recently got back from a trip to Asheville where we got the opportunity to talk to so many folks about the organically weird and intentionally wild food and drink seeing their one of Asheville 's nicknames as voted on in a poll by the Burs association and examiner dot com is beer city USA and in two thousand twelve, it made the travel channel's list of top seven cities to drink beer. So we knew we had to do an episode on ash show beer, obviously. And this is that episode and that door person who warned us about deliciousness was at wicked weeds, fun Katori, which is one of over three dozen breweries offering locally produced beers and a town of just ninety thousand people that's auto good beer. It is, and it's a lot of craft beer because with the loosening of blue laws and a deepening thirst from the public craft beer has transitioned from niche to mainstream over the past decade or so in the United States. And the definition of craft is a little bit sticky in wicked. Weed is actually great example of that is we'll get into later, but basically craft beer is what's made in small batches by independent ish brewers. It was a nearly nonexistent category here in the states in the lean years between prohibition which along with industrialization forced most small brewers out of business and the late seventies, which is when congress legalized home brewing, there were only forty five independent breweries nationwide in nineteen seventy eight only forty five as of thousand seventeen there were over six thousand. Wow. And as of twenty fifteen out of the one hundred and six billion dollars total in beer sales. Craft beer accounted for twenty two point. Three billion of that who and as we touched on in our overview of Asheville episode, breweries are a keystone of the community and in a way you don't necessarily see in other cities, their family environments in an article for serious east called why ashville is the best beer city in the USA writer Katie Dharavi compared breweries to neighborhood coldest acts and describes how in no other city. Would she feel as comfortable bringing her newborn to brewery actually reminds me of England that I think about it. Oh, yeah, yeah. 'cause pubs there are family places like you see kids there all the time. Yeah, it's a bit different to the United States, but not Nashville now. Something else we talked about in our overview episode was art and the appreciation of Caspian ship in Asheville and that includes beer. One of the most famous ashville Edens author, Thomas Wolfe often wrote about beer and was known to be. I'm very fond of it in his fiction in heavy coats book about a city called all to Mont, which was ashville here played pretty large role and for the seven years after its nineteen twenty nine release, the book was banned in Asheville because the people wolf fictionalized or none too happy with his descriptions of them. And this was much to the annoyance of f Scott FitzGerald who went around yelling at the city council and librarians about it, not being on the shelves fits jailed, came to Asheville while his wife Zelda was being treated at a sanitarium on and off again. And he was a at the time quote on the wagon, but for him that meant no hard liquor, but as much beer as he could drink, which turns out on average was thirty bottles a day. Oh my goodness, gracious. Yes, he must have gotten up. Very early in the morning. He was staying at grove park in and they in conjunction with Highland brewing who we're gonna talk about later have tried to recreate possibly the beer, wow, that he is drinking. It's called great Gatsby IP or something fascinating though his secretary said, never had she seen so much beer bottle trash made by one person to help us sort this whole beer scene out. We talked to the person who literally wrote the book on it appears story and and consultant and fit and Glenn in twenty twelve. She published ashville beer and intoxicating history of mountain brewing. She's got a second book about beer on the way. So she seemed like a pretty excellent person to talk to you l. when she was an excellent person to talk to, we met up at infant at Asheville brewing in the downtown area early in the morning when suppliers were loading in for the day. So being here any clangs that's just one that slipped through. You know, people want to buy from their neighbors and they want to support local, but there are not enough people here. I mean, there may be ninety thousand people in the city of Asheville, maybe one hundred forty thousand people and bunkum county. So it's not enough to support as many breweries as there are here now. So I think the chamber of commerce told me that the last survey they did a few years ago, fourteen percent of the it gets like nine million people who visit ashville yearly, and you might need to check that, but it sits close to that realist- recently, fourteen percent of them visited at least one brewery and said that that was a factor and why they came here. We did check that and it was actually ten point seven million tourists per year as of two thousand sixteen fourteen percent of which is one and a half million drinking buddies. So you start to see how that sheer number breweries is supported. And for a weekend, we were some of those drinking buddies. Oh yeah. We sampled beer at Highland Qatada twin leaf burial. Bre Mari highwire wicked wheat, and I think more probably, yeah, we got a lot of beers. What we're saying? Yes, we enjoyed all of the beautiful beer puns. I am brute hop champagne. Yeah. Christopher Walken ex a c. n. it's so good. It was a chocolate nitrous doubt. And those are just Highland. Yeah, they were everywhere, and we enjoyed the beer to, of course. So many interesting things on tap to experimental things, a PBS j. beer, a beer inspired by an apple spritz. Everyone has fun with it, but people take their beer very seriously. There. We encountered this while trying to decide on what to drink at wicked weeds brew pub, which we talked about in studio with super producer, Dylan. When we got back. Billon and I, we're gonna get a flight of fear and this young man was not going to allow it to happen. There was a bartender who is Fareed versus the idea. He went into a whole thing about the worst way to enjoy beer. It ruins the smell, don't even know about the smell. And then why would you even taste beer that way? I'll let you try any bear you want, and then you can get a whole and and you'll have a much better experience. He went on for like four to five minutes and Dylan irony like, okay, but he kept going, I'll give many free samples as you want. You can try anything that you want to, but getting a flight of beer is like trying to throw a coin and a wishing. Well, that is five hundred feet away and it shrinking. Yeah, and I don't understand what that means, but I'll never forget it. Yeah. Reminds me of Simon Pegg and Star Trek, but he's like talking about his book the anyway. It was very eloquently put and it was a scene, behold he was excellent. Yeah, and he was very good at recommending thing. He also in a fit of comedic pike drop kicked a bar towel and somehow landed it on top of a bottle like eight feet off the ground. I think he's a wizard is what I'm saying. Okay. All right. But let's back up this volume of brewing is fairly new in western North Carolina. But according to an in brewing and distilling is inadequate villes DNA say, this is somewhat apocryphal, but I've found documentation about it. So ashville was not started until the late seventeen hundreds with this was a very isolated military and it was hard to get to. But the government in Raleigh decided to establish a city seat for western Carolina in. The late seventeen hundreds and the sent some city commissioners else, the area and they were looking actually about three miles south of here. Kinda wear Biltmore is now because it was his kind of flat open valley surrounded by mountains. But then apparently this time, Evernote owner who had a little tavern of crossroads of the drivers road invited the commissioners of to taste his mountain dew, and the story goes that the commissioners came up here, which is about where the actual court houses now and went to the tavern and just had a rip roaring good time and said, it was some of the best locally made whiskey they'd ever had. And that actually the seat of the town should be a little further north because we're, there's good whiskey. There is going to be a good community. So you can kind of say that this town was founded on local alcohol production. True or not. Beer has been part of ashes makeup since early days bureau recipes from the area out of eight hundred show that most families have their own bureau -ssipi making your own hooch. The history of moonshine in the area is easier to trace, but it does closely parallel and intersect with beer was a way of life beer is something you made on your own. And at the time it was low alcohol, maybe like two to three percents everyone in the family would drink. It kids included because it was perceived to be cleaner than water. This may or may not have been true in North Carolina, Fennelly enough. Lots of people. We talked to cited the quality of the water from the French broad river as a reason for having so many breweries and Nashville, yes, but it was almost certainly true in Europe. So a lot of folks in Asheville were European immigrants and this attitude toward beer came with them. Ashville was away point town. Somewhere you'd stop in between places after a railway was put into the town in the eighteen hundreds ashville solve fairly. The rapid population growth by the nineteen hundreds actual had eighteen saloons mostly located on what they called hell's half acre. All of that came to an end in one thousand nine hundred six. After a drunkard, went on a murderous rampage that left several people including two police officers dead. Oh, wow. This prompted astral to become the first southeastern city to vote for prohibition and it stuck around in one way or another for four decades hell's half acre for the most part was shut down, going onto house appliance stores in only now is it being revitalized even at prohibitions? End beer brewers faced other blue laws that made their lives difficult and some still do to this day. Here's infant and even after prohibition was returned by the twenty first amendment. There is still what's called local option, which means every town city municipality county got to vote, whether or not they would allow alcohol. And so for long. Time, North Carolina is hopefully allow like three point two percent beer when they called near beer at that time, and then very slowly the laws changed, but every single time laws change, there's a vote compared to a lot of other cities. Asheville entered the craft brewing scene quite a bit later in nineteen ninety four when one, Oscar, while I'm moved there from Charlotte to open Highland brewing company, Oscars really very much the one that kicks off crap ruin in North Carolina. One of the key folks kicks it off on the east coast. He said he used to have a hard time to even get in bottles like the first time he called to get a bottle order. You know, he needed so many thousand bottles and they didn't even know what to do. I mean, they were used to, you know, Anheuser Busch calling and we need them a million bottles or something like that. So early in the great thing to that, I don't know if he went home by himself, but Oscar grew the industry by being cooperative. He always built an air, aquatic gracious. Between brewers. He was never threatened as other brewers opened, but just pull them in and grew the industry as well as his business Bronx really cooperative. I mean, nationally it is, and I think part of that is very much seen in Asheville made you got any place and they've done cooperative beer making with somebody down the street. I mean their competitors, but nobody views it that way. That's area native Kevin Frazier, a history professor at western Carolina university. If you listened to our previous episode, introducing some of the history of the city. You'll remember how in the late nineties and early two, thousands ashville started. Well, pulling itself out of the ashes of a long ecconomic depression through the food and drink scenes. Here's an fitting again for a long time. There were only three or four raise. The first one was Hailan, and then there was Corrine man, and then Ashwell Bruin, and then French broad Murray and really was only until kind of the early. Two thousand that few more came along, but then mostly it's been the past five or six years that the craft beer movement has really taken hold here as well as across the country. Why beard? But like his captured not only the world belts ashville specifically. It's inexpensive. There you go. Yes. I mean, it's it's certainly more affordable than a lot of other alcoholic beverages. Even if it's locally made with fancy ingredients like Ouaga or you know, Sarah east or whatever. You know it's relatively inexpensive and usually lower in alcohol. You've been drink more of it. You know, historically, everyone drink beer all the time because of the it's just enough alcohol to kill bacteria, but not enough to make you really drunk. So if you go back in history of their stories about people making their own beer on the firms around here and everybody got fear lunch and everybody got, are you bringing us nachos. Holy. I just heard that there was a notches summit going on over there. A beer interview interrupted by Nacho summit quick Nacho summit aside the way that we were seated. I couldn't see the nachos coming, but any Dylan could, and I've never witnessed anyone react to a plate of nachos with such abject terror. We were so full from breakfast and at which I had been full from dinner. It was a lot of nachos. It was indeed, but we powered ahead as professionals do. Another thing I really love about American beer is, you know, there are four main ingredients in beer. There's water, multi grains ops, ease the magic love yeast, y'all like east? Yes. It's so cool. Cool. Yes, but you know, with those foreign greedy aunts, plus we, we call adjuncts which can be anything from spices to herbs to fruits to copy to chocolate. I mean, there's so many different cells, a beer. You can make main. You can walk around this town to you. If you'd go to twenty breweries and one day, and you could taste ten beers at every brewery in every single beer would be different. It's remarkable, none of them days same because of the mix of those ingredients and how creative you can be with an American brewers, particularly American Cropper's have really taken that art form to another level. Those four main ingredients. All of them can be found in or around Asheville, good, clean water from the French broad river hops from echo view farm or hopping blueberry malt from river bend Malthouse as an. Fit and put it in her book from farmer to malt to brewer to beer drinker. All within a few hundred miles. It's a local voice dream, but not everyone was happy at the idea of breweries in Asheville, and we'll get into that after a quick break for word from our sponsor. Today's episode is brought to you by RX bar Rx wants to build things the right way. They believe in the power of transparency and let the core ingredients do all the talking. You probably recognize them in the store. They're the ones with all the ingredients listed on the front. 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That's our expert dot com. Slash food and enter promo code food at checkout. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes, thank you. So we need to talk about Highland brewing, not just because it's one of the places that we got to go. But because as we mentioned prior to the mid nineties, there wasn't really a beer scene in Asheville along comes a retired engineer by the name of Oscar Wong in nineteen. Ninety four. The same year drastic came out every time I've seen ninety four. That's the, I think I've, I don't know why. And he had an idea what started as beer experiments in a basement led to the first legal brewery post prohibition in Asheville and helped pave the way for all the other Verdes as strange as it may seem, knowing what we know now, a lot of the locals were not on board in the beginning because we were the first ones in town. We did get some letters that were like, you're gonna ruin this place and and had wanted to be clear to say, no, we're, we're gonna make this better, and we're going to give it. Reasons for people to come together and talk, whether it's about beer or whatever in the neighbors are gonna come together. So that has happened to, I mean, to a degree that he never would have envisioned. That's Oscars daughter, Leah Wong Ashburn, though. She's now the president and CEO and family owner of Highland brewing her path to that role wasn't indirect one. He started selling beer in Charlotte, which is really exciting to me, and that's when I asked for a job and that is when he turned me down for a job. So so I found my own way as he told me to do in that that worked out great. I mean, it was very wise for him not to hire me when I was twenty four and I knew nothing and he didn't need me, but it was fun to kind of get to know the staff a little bit through the annual staff getaway when refer whole weekend. We go to this funky fishing lodge and some people camp, and we cook together and there's a fire the whole time that we bring the beer truck and there's a river and we have a great time. So I got to go to that and it was wonderful to learn about with Bruce doing not only in beer, but in community over a period of time before dead offered me a job and then I turned him down. So that was pretty cool. So right. The plot thickens. So it was another eight years, sixteen years in total between the time I asked for job, he offered me one that I finally accepted in twenty eleven going back to the the new stuff that you guys are working on around here. How do you, how do you conceive of new beers? Like, how do you beer. Never been asked. I love that. So what am I favored things about the way that Highland works? That's unusual is that we've got multiple brains in the creative space of creating of new beers, so and I will take multiple brains in a creative process over one. It just like feels natural every kind of nods when I say that, like of course, that's a good idea and creative sector. So it's wonderful to have these three folks kind of working together on what's relevant, what we can do beautifully where we gonna source cool ingredients and what we think our fans are going to enjoy and what are we going to enjoy as a staff. So the internal excitement builds and then we could to see the outside reaction to it. School nowadays, Highland brewing is located in a sprawling warehouse when they moved in and had been sitting empty a waste product of shifting industries in previous decades. It had been a ball bearing plant and then of a lower plant, and then a movie production studio when the Highland. Mm-hmm. Moved in. They found scarily realistic fake dynamite and rotating Saab laid props, but given new life. It now houses not only their beer operations, but also taproom event space and a large lawn plus forty acres that they are building trails into. And I can't wait for that to happen because I love to know I want to get outside and enjoy the beauty of the stream on the property in the trees and go around and then come back and enjoy a beer. And this is the kind of area revitalization and sense of community that slowly eased people's reservations about Parise infant and explained it this way. What we're seeing again and again is you know, dilapidated, old buildings in kind of downtowns that don't necessarily get a lot of foot traffic, but people are coming in and they're like, oh, I'm not gonna rip this down and build conduct complex. I'm going to put a brewery here. I'm going to a restaurant here. I'm going to make this a community center from the downtown and it increases foot traffic. People have realized more and more that craft breweries are family friendly. You know, their communities, they, they get a little nervous initially because they're like, oh, they're going to be drunk people lying in the street, or they're going to be beer cans everywhere when they see that doesn't happen. And that these breweries are very open to community events to group meetings or a couple of local breweries that will do what we're doing right now. If it's not open hours, but you wanna have a community meeting in their space. You just call them up and they'll in the doors for you come out, show Senate and have another summit. He doesn't five was another game changing year for the Asheville beer industry when North Carolina house Bill three, nine, two aka pop the cap past pushing the alcohol limit from six percent to fifteen percents. As you can imagine. This was huge for brewers and for beer in the region Highland was the first year reach release a legal high gravity beer before then several years had been advertised as five point nine, nine, nine INFINITI nine and we're probably a bit higher than that. And that brings us to more or less today. The community and the tourists have embraced the beer scene. And we don't mean to sound advert Oreo about it. Like this is a statement of fact, but all the most infests about ashville spear scene has caught the eye of some heavy hitters in the beer industry. Sierra Nevada, new Belgium have outpost there. Now both announced these outposts in two thousand twelve along with Oscar blue. So that was another big year for beer in Asheville on top of that in mid twenty seventeen Anheuser Busch acquired local brewery, Ricky weed, and this was a controversial and we'll get into that after one more quick break for word from our sponsor. 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Thank you sponsor. Yes, thank you. Okay, so wicked, we'd as of early twenty seventeen. It was one of the areas big success stories. It was founded in western North Carolina in twenty twelve, the brainchild of locals Walt and Luke Dickinson with support of their local friends, the gut, the family, and it grew really quickly from traditional American beers like pills nurse and IPA's to a rapidly expanding funk and sour program now functions hours. You've probably seen descriptors like that on beers in stores or tap room's attached to styles like a goes or Flemish reds or Berliner vices. These styles are actually older than stuff like pills Nur's, and they are made with strains of yeast and bacteria that create these funky and tart flavors. Quick beer science primer. You start with wart a non alcoholic grain and whatever soup, and then introduce yeasts, which eat sugars in the wort and poop alcohol and flavor. Too bacteria can similarly add flavored after research around the turn of the twentieth century, let brewers start to control what yeast and bacteria get into their beers. Sours and funks fell out of fashion. The microorganisms responsible for them are really wildly. So if you have one batch of sour beer in your burry, you risk infecting you're cleaner tasting beers. But these styles have made a huge comeback in the past few years and wicked weeds have been tremendously popular since two thousand fourteen. They've had two outposts in downtown Asheville. The brew pub, the scene of our lesson on flights and the funk Katori, which was possibly the east coast first sour devoted pub as twenty sixteen. They opened a whole separate brewing facility. Their fourth brewery in the area just four funk since ours called the funk house for one of our first stop on our trip. We got the chance to tour wicked weeds, funk house with their warehouse manager, Jason Allison, and lead blender, Jennifer courier headed guy. Get into sours to to begin with would let it in the building. So it was pretty funny back in the day, and then it got kept in a funk house in the white building downstairs. And then from there it expanded passing, open ferment and one tank too. I, we probably have like six, thanks there at one time and it was crazy and packed, and we'd roller little Bobby mine out from the corner every Friday in bottle, and they put it back throughout a room and it'd be everything back into the space. But by then we only bottling like fifteen barrels at a time. And now he packed anywhere from sixty to one hundred twenty one hundred eighty barrels. Big difference. Part of the reason behind that increase in production is thanks to wicked weeds, new owners when AB acquired wicked. We'd the original staff continued to operate pretty much independently, but in a town where local is everything where people remember when that last subway restaurants, shut down the idea of a big company coming in and taking ownership of something. Well, it didn't necessarily go down well, Nope. And fitting has a theory for the emotional response of ABC's by out of we could lead so you can lobby and have and keep laws in place that support your business. But that often hurt smaller businesses. And so a lot of times the the initial reaction, particularly from other craft breweries is that you know, they feel like they've been believed in some ways by Anheuser-Busch. They feel like they have lost shelf space. So that's really kind wear them Mishel fallout. And it doesn't mean that we could meet or any other brewery that is owned by has brushes making beer in in his or push makes great beer making consistent beer in mass quantities. Over time takes a lot of skill. But it's more of the kind of David versus Goliath conflict of big money, big lobbying dollars versus small business. One thing I found interesting Anheuser Busch was one of the first national beers available in Asheville way back in the eighteen hundreds along schlitz. Yeah. All right. But all that being said, and you do have to say it like the sale made national news beer folks here in Atlanta, we're talking about it like it was the day. The music died. What we saw when we went to we could. We'd was deep enthusiasm about the same things that everyone in Asheville is concerned about, you know, good local beer from people who've been with the company through the sale for years. There's a willy Wonka esque sense about the place like they've got money to buy spirit barrels a bourbon barrels, wind barrels. What have you to age their beers in just twice or even once, but they've also got a woodshop on. On site where they turn those spent barrels into promotional displays and tap handles we could read is working on a lot of cool stuff, experimenting with different fruits with those different barrels for aging, including footers, which are oversized barrels, like in their case, they hold up to two hundred and twenty hectolitres that's about fifty eight hundred gallons and started life as Kahveci cognac blending tanks in the nineteen twenties. They're also experimenting with wild yeast and bacteria, spontaneous hours. They're using those malts from river bend Malthouse, which produces their stuff right down the street from locally farmed. Grains the hops and fruit aren't always local, but they're doing what they can to let the region shine through an each beer, western North Carolina in a bottle or can or a glass, but allowing nature to do its thing while you wait can be maybe not stressful, but a little bit restful little bit. Anytime we're transferring something or moving it around, we're going to be roused. Which is again, our primary strain in I always go full Jeff, Goldblum Bret finds away the Brett in question here is pretend on my sees, which is a genus of funky sour yeast known for being particularly pernicious Jen has an attitude towards beer making. That reminds me of a scientist, excited to see the outcome of a project. She even called some of the beer. She was working on the warehouse, a house pet. They showed us they're cool ship room, and a cool ship is traditional Belgian, open air and occupation tank. So it's this huge shallow tub and there's isn't a room that's like a screened porch with wooden vents open to the fields and the would outside. And so you pump your hot wart into the tub and wild yeast and bacteria full low in on the breeze and spontaneously start the fermentation process. What you get is completely up to nature. So as it's cooling and just hanging out in here, there's. Air just ripping through these louvers and we'll leave the store crack to encourage it. Just come through a little bit more. So all the wild yeast and bacteria in the air that night will end up inoculating and fermenting this year over the next one to three years, you have to be an optimist to do this, but yeah, so it'll it'll be super fun to see how that tastes. But again, we're trying to as best we can capture the flavor of this area in order to do that. Obviously, we're starting with Ruben malt, but we've also planted apple orchard out here on the property and blueberry bushes, and we're going to be planning some blackberry bushes, and okay, just to be clear there, talking about creating a microbiome, planting, stuff to attract certain strains of yeast and bacteria that will flavor their beers. So not really looking to utilize utilize that fruit. I mean, we will, but I don't think we're going to have enough to really do maybe at the fungus Tori. I'm with some pilot batches. Definitely looking to do some estate cider out here, which will be really, really cool. But really, we're just trying to encourage all of that microflora to come and hang out here, and we want as many bees around here as possible. They also gave us a taste of a house favourite brew called white angel, which uses Muscat grapes from eastern North Carolina, which if you've never had our, this very southern is associated with is being very southern thing. That's kind of earthy and they source enough of them from a single growing season to us in this beer during fermentation, with some leftover to freeze and use for balancing the flavor after barely djing. Yes, for me, that one really captures again, North Carolina, our house culture, and then a specific time in a place in. Carolina's hole, which is pretty often. I always forget about how cool that bureaus. So good. Of course, wicked weeded Highland brewing are not the only two places doing awesome beer stuff around town. They're just to that. We happened to connect with and thank you to both of them for showing us what they do. With all of this craft beer focused in such a small area and more opening with relative frequency. We had to wonder is a beer saturation point possible in Asheville, turns out we're not the only ones pondering that question surprise surprise in article by that very name appeared in the local paper citizen times in two thousand seventeen it reported that North Carolina beer consumption had dropped in recent years, twenty five point three gallons per adult in two thousand sixteen as opposed to twenty seven point six gallons per adult in two thousand ten on top of that consumers are less likely to report brand loyalty. One beer brewer described the attitude as promiscuous and the head of Asheville brewing, Mike. Randall said of the Asheville beer consumer quote, the beer I q of the average actual beer drinker is probably three times that of someone in another city beer is sort of inner fabric. It's a double edged sword. People have. High expectations and support local breweries, but you better be pretty damn good, damn good. And also authentic according to food critic MacKenzie Lunceford I'm not gonna say whether it's Spurrier's or hotels or whatever coming in that are trying to replicate authenticity, and that doesn't work. Doesn't that doesn't work in. So it comes across as sort of a caricature of Asheville. And I think we're all a little bit worried that we're going to become beard Disneyland's. Yeah, malt DisneyWorld. I sat. DisneyWorld. It's an exotic among echelons be heard more than once. Yeah. I mean, it was even a feeling that we had ourselves when we beheld the campus that Sierra Nevada has set up there. I mean, it was lovely, and it had these huge awnings that were actually solar panels in the parking lot and everything that we had there, the food and the beer was excellent, but it was also real larger than life and expensive looking and just very stylized in a way that reminded me of a Disney theme park when we were over at looking glass creamery talking cheese with Jim Perkins, she echoed this concern. I think the explosion of the beer Stein in Nashville is in some way, it's definitely a blessing, but there's also a curse. I mean, it's brought a ton of people here. It's a great place to live, so I understand that and it needs more customers for us, but also means that this, you know, world is little world of ashville is changing and it's a lot more traffic. It's a lot more people. Housing is an issue, and it also makes. Hard to farm because it makes the land very expensive. So that thing that brought people here, this local food connection, beer scene, and whatnot. Some of that may go away because they can't afford to be here anymore. Another problem that is faced by the beer industry both in Asheville and in general, is a lack of diversity. It's very white and male dominated in terms of the sex divide and fitting pointed to historical issues of patriarchy in the workforce, and the physicality of the work. This is changing, but slowly in her book and fit and has a joke that any gossip in the craft beer community is all he said. He said, oh yeah. And in terms of the race divide, that's a particularly sticky topic in Asheville, which is a southern city that as of two thousand seventeen was eighty. Two percent white you. Now I was researching this recently and there are actually fewer people of color here than there were twenty years ago, and I'm not sure why, but it does seem like. There is more of a divide in some of these smaller southern towns. I mean, Atlanta is so sophisticated and multiracial and has been for such a long time, but that has not necessarily rippled out to the rest of the south or possibly even the rest of the country, particularly in rural areas on, you know, it goes back historically to more than a century ago after the civil war when there is a huge desperate of African Americans from rural communities into big cities. And I hope that that will reverse in a town like this. I know that the the beer community, we have talked about trying to create more of a diverse community trying to eat very aware of that. But if you look at nationally beer as a whole, it's pretty. Dining white. So I don't. I don't know what the answer is, but it is something I would love to find more answers to us to. And I know that some of those answers have to do with much more complex parts of American culture. You know, making ashville businesses more inclusive is tied up in the politics of North Carolina at large, which hasn't really been a beacon of progressive hope recently. But and this is good sound sillier than it is at first. I, I hope that beer can help make it better beer is more than just beer in Asheville, and we're not referring to the sprawl businesses around the beer brewed they're like beer shampoo or specialized Cousy bruiser neighborhood hangouts sports team, a place to hold a town hall to raise money or awareness about issues or to host Nacho summit. The Burs are probably friends of yours. They bring people together like a sort of social glue in the words of. Leong Ashburn, there is power in beer because it collects people and people are happy about it and they left to contribute to thing. So while you're doing a beer, if you can do another great thing than it, just it just elevates everything. This brings us to the end of our episode on Asheville beer. Yes. So you will be hearing more about the beer of Asheville in our other ashville related episodes for sure. Yes. And if you're interested in learning more about our beer, we have an old school foodstuff episode on it. Yeah, all about the science and history. So check that out. And if you would like to get in touch with us, we would love to hear from you our Email address is Hello at favor podcast dot com. You can also find us on social media well on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. We are at sabre pod. Thank you to all of our guests today and to Landis Taylor, behold team over at explore ashville dot com for helping us find those guests. And also to our code executive producer, Christopher Hassi otas for helping us find those guest finders. Thanks as always to super producer Dylan for making our jobs easy and to our other co executive producer here stuff, media, Julie Douglas for all of her good advice. Thank you to you for listening and we hope that lots more good things are coming your way. Not show summit? Yes, we had never known before that such a thing such a glorious thing could exist, but the, you know, the the berry was an open yet for the day. And at one of the we were sitting outside one of the tables behind has had this group of shafts. They were having a Nacho summit sound so official does, but there were ten to twelve people over there talking about Nacho, which is very official. If you're the full, they were there when we got there and they were doing it for about the first forty five minutes that we were there like it was a lengthy and in-depth Nacho summit. I imagine they're talking about like weight distribution and like liquid how much liquid you can have before they start to get soggy, had to keep cribs. Oh. Beautiful, but they were fruits from the summit? Yes, there were horrifying and delicious fruits. We were so full. We run the night before and that morning and it's nine thirty, and there are nachos, and you're on one side of the patio and the kitchens on the other side of the patio. So you have a runway to watch the person bringing you the nachos, he's smiling. He's excited about what they've come up with, and he's I in my head. He was nodding, yes, and I was shaking my head. No, she got closer and fear. It was a little bit like the shark coming up to your boat in does not shows exactly. And they get there any explains the nachos to us in the middle of the interview, and they sound delicious. They look fantastic barbecue sauce, cowboy nachos. Yeah. They had like pulled pork and barbecue and some kind of Crema like, Aw, yeah, and this is mine. Do the beginning of the summit? They were experimenting with something they were excited to share. I saw them from the door like pointing at our table happily smiling. And in the back of my, I have hope. Please please? No, because I wanted to eat them. 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"Welcome to embedded I'm in Lisa. Seo White alongside. Christopher white we get asked quite a bit about how to get into embedded systems and how to get a job in embedded system. I'm pleased to have Dennis Jackson on the show to discuss it with us before we get started though the dogs are doing well. Thank you for asking the thing we didn't get to talk to Alan about was the hakodate Super Con in Pasadena in November. He'll be there he may be speaking and you can be there to tickets. Tickets are on sale. Now welcome back. Hey Chris Hey Lisa thanks for having me back on. It's funny for me to have to ask you to tell us about yourself because I feel like I know no you pretty well. But that's not fair to the people listening. So could you tell us about yourself again and things have changed a little bit since last demos on. But I'm currently the director of director from where elements science a medical device company. Here in San Francisco one of the few San Francisco which is pretty awesome We are. I've been for those paying attention from the last episode. My math was a little off but I've been doing this for for two decades now and It just static keeps I I I enjoy every aspect of IT but I've been working in a medical devices with the little stint drones for a few years For those all those was twenty years and My goals are always make sure this offer is going out is really good really solid and make the world a little bit better. Every time I've released goes out or everytime new product goes out. I like to stay focused on medical devices because of the safety critical aspect of it and also just the helping people so this is the thing that started out I got lucky and I got started medical devices and stuck with it and you are on show number ninety four four. Don't be clever which was a great show that starts out with a lot of discussion about drones and everywhere and it was before the FAA had gotten those that certification process interest Minoan void which isn't out all involved. We spent a while discussing what it might be to find out. It was never going going to be. Yeah I'm looking forward to talking more about the code side of things before that though we have lightning and we have a lot of lightning round questions so we need you to be very fast. And I've never done around so a little nervous. Listen to the show you know. It's okay favorite. We were just talking about this favorite movie or book which you encounter for the first time in the last year there's been a bad year for reading Favorite movie and you fix it. You know I actually read handmaidens. Edens tell and a lot of people didn't like it but I thought it was a really interesting view of the way things can go south really quick in a society so I think that's GonNa Beate cool favorite tool but not software. I WANNA physical tool hammers of really nice tool especially for fixing hardware best perk. You've ever had at job flexibility being able to to take the time to do things with family or you know I need. I need some time off to take care of something and I'll make it up another time. If you woke up tomorrow as an animal what animal would it be funny thing. I was thinking like an animal question. I I know. These are fast Rhino preferred to all three point three point three favorite airplane. Sr seven one although the paper Eros Pretty Nice flown those before so if someone gave you ten thousand dollars but you had to spend it today. Did you spend probably by a vacation. Okay okay technical tip you think everyone should know learn make. That's a good one Chris. You're more favorite office arrangement not open. We knew okay. So we got an a discussion not too long ago about people bull wanting to get into embedded systems and once. They're Kinda there. How do they get a job in embedded systems if all they have on their resume is computer science or or software and their past? And I want to talk more about that with you because I know it's something that you you come across pretty often happens quite a bit actually either C. current coworkers former coworkers people who've been trying to you awesome of resumes to where I'm working or friends of friends. Who say he? I hear this what you do and we'll get into that Doria suggest with the I pitied needs easy thing. They can try though it's been it's been a huge change in the world in software development especially in bed development in the last twenty ears like being able to access some of the stuff You Know Raspberry pies discovery boards all these things just didn't really exist. Twenty years years ago you can get one of those today and start writing something trying to make something that you want. You want to see the usually usually what I say is is there something in the real world that you want to see interacting with you just want to turn lights on you want to you. Want to measure temperature in your house. Like yeah you can go out and buy a thermometer you can go out and buy a light but this is on being if you WanNa if you WANNA try it and you're gonNA write some good for this. Is something coming you started with something very simple. We totally agree. Of course if you want to get into embedded systems the first step is to try it and the systems are super cheap. I haven't used the raspberry Pi But used discovery boards. And you can find him for twenty dollars. That's an easy cheap way to get started compilers or free the tool free. There's a lottery sources out there pies. Zeros five five dollars so yeah cost is not really issue anymore pewter which is probably the higher cost. Yeah Yeah So. The discovery boards. One of the hard things with them is that it's a big opaque system. I mean we talk about are doing and I love our dino but the discovery boards are a little closer to what you might use in a professional environment and yet you will get pretty stuck on. What do you suggest for compiler and the development environment so for those ones? The the vendors have have tools that you can start with so with With discovery boards. You can use the you can use arms kyle compiler and that comes. There's a free version of it. It's it's a it's a decent compiler decent. Id it comes with sample code so you can turn the lights on They have accelerometers on air so you can do some basic things with accelerometer. Are they have buttons so you can do basic interaction like that and they have samples of all this so you get that board you. Could you download the compiler and you can add up beginning beginning just compile in Iran. Make sure your pure computer said make sure you compiler setup the connection to the board power to the board usually power to the USB so once you have that on you know you're gonna be able to talk to it and then once you do that and then you've got the you've got the start of it and they're sample code is is is good enough to give you an idea of what you should be doing now. Not GonNa turn that into production code but it's good enough to start out and and start learning how to play with the board. I would add to that. I am bet is an online compiler. You don't have to install much. Maybe some drivers in many of the discovery. Boards are embiid enabled. The I've heard I haven't tried it. It's kind of Nice because in our we know like fashion. They have huge numbers of libraries and example code. So you don't have to write everything from Scott from scratch it's also very C. Plus plus oriented. So it's not as much to straight see that you get in the tutorials from the discovery and the embiid boards are more capable than artery. No they have networking a lot Vermont. So you can do things if you like. Who is not why does why are you making a face? Oh because the are dino. Boys are so big big. Now that the default between us you need to get a shield doing owners kind've brain dead but that covers so much now and the embeds cover the same things okay funny. It's funny because I I know these things exist but I haven't I haven't used them because typically I'm working on a project that already already that we're using Usually an arm core somewhere in there and we have have industry tools on there and usually I do on the team or team says hey we want to try to censor out on bought by the way I wrote I wrote some I got an argue are doing in Rhode something Detroit out like you did that yesterday. We talked about this yesterday and you already wrote like that's pretty awesome. I do gives you a lot of speed. That initial prototyping is really useful but then we go to discovery and other things that make it faster star and cheaper yeah frustrated run not faster to produce right okay so so our new college Grad Ncis Has It has a day job doing software that he doesn't really like new wants to do embedded software and he got a project or she got a project and has decided to blink. Some lights cool. I I mean that's that's a detoro. There are lots of examples on how to do that out there. What next I mean? They can't put that on their resume and say hire me so this is an interesting story. A couple months ago I was hiring from where I am now and I had a resume come come in and the resume looked really good Jeff definitely junior level but really good and I talked to him on the phone to phone screen and answered all my phone screen. Gene questions really. Well like this. This is a really good potential candidates. So let's bring him in and as we started talking I was the first interview the day and whole schedule lined up and we started talking and just I don't know I don't remember I unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it asked but I ask something and the way he responded I thought That's not in line with everything else I heard so I said let's let's let's just write a little bit stuff up on the board and we started doing a little bit on the board and within within thirty seconds I knew okay. This guy has a potential. But he's not. I can be the Guy I'm going to hire and I said hang on a second here I stop you and you have a lot of potential Joel. But this isn't this isn't gonNA work out so but we were gonNA talk for a while here so I went out and told the rest of the interview team like this isn't happening opening like we make me stop the interview. I went back in and talk to them for an hour and a half and just basically broke down like. Here's where you are. Here's where you need to go. And he he was in the fortunate position of being at a company that was doing embedded work. You just wasn't on that team. He was he was helping tasks. And you help find bugs but as as we're talking talking I said well you know you guys have a version out you probably gonNA have a new version coming out and he said Yeah. We're actually the process we're using is coming end of life. We're looking at new ones. You know we've heard a lot of arm as it were thinking about going to that and I said this is a perfect opportunity for you go by Discovery Board. Go get the company pay for it. It's twenty bucks but worse case you buy it yourself and you already have a list of the sensors that you're using you can get samples both of those You probably have in house not talk to the easy. Hey can I get one of those wound up on the board. I WANNA be able to hook up some leads to it and Hook it up to this board and that is the you can take that. Get the sample program and right either look at sample drivers or start writing a driver that toxic the data sheet feet. And you can use that as your starting point for for developing yourself. Because now you're looking a new hardware. You're doing the embedded work that you want to be doing that. You already have some experience in. Just you don't have enough experience with the writing of the software part of it and you you can use your starting point. So the generalize that it's another thing you can do is say. Hey you know. Is there a project at work that is using embedded software that you WANNA get into or if if you're not add a company that hasn't been this offer Thoroughly you WANNA switch into is get get some hardware get a couple of sensors. You know like we said like you are. We know you get Reports like that you can download drivers and make them work right away and that's that's fantastic for rapid prototyping but when you go to the sem part which you will more likely be using on a production system. You're not necessarily going to have the driver for the current limiting chip or the current reading gyp or the accelerometer or the temperature sensor any other sensors on there but get something. Yeah you can you can play with and use a look at that. Data Sheet Insert and a very simple driver for it. And you don't have everyone says well I know you're working in bed. I gotta worry about power usage. I have to worry about size limits. I have to worry about putting the processor to sleep. Note that boards can be sitting on your desk. It's not going into a product it's not going to be running off A coin cell battery that has to last six to twelve months or longer is going to be plugged into your computer running. Whatever speed that you said that thing up for just run at Max? Speed run ADS low-speeds doesn't matter but get it running Get that driver written and make sure like you can read it. You have the data sheet there and usually there's a if it's ice could see it spy Even serial zero. There'll be usually a an identification bite. You ask the if it's especially is square scenes and spy you a Houston the Houston the command since back to you like this is my I d. Get that command working I then you know you're talking with that piece of hardware. But if you're using the accelerometer get back X Y Z. And now you can pick that board up and you can start moving around you write a little something that you're as something on your your in your processor that continually reads that and you know. Do you have print. F- do you have are using an led led. Yeah yeah some way of getting out put back on to say the thing is moving ends reading now. The other thing is oh I have to worry about interrupts to all of this stuff. Just pull it Nice. You know. That's a very very simple way to get started. Do the simplest thing possible then you can. You can graduate into those other other other methods to make it more efficient In more likely they sample programs are going to have examples of of of interrupts and him in D. May transfers like that's that's intermediate and advanced level. Just get it talking so I would say to to add to that. If you're going to be playing with spy and ICE Quercy you probably want to have some sort of logic analyzer. Even even the simplest simplest devices that you think are just GonNa work the sometimes they don't for some reason or your driver isn't quite right for some reason right. If you're just doing it blind it's it's impossible to figure out what's wrong. That should have been my favorite Tula Salia. That thing is amazing. Too relaxed the constraints that we decided we are not not going to try to build the most power efficient most ram efficient most cycle efficient system. We're just going to build a system and we're going to use the example code as much as we can and we're going to learn to use these tools. 'cause I mean we all can use oscilloscopes in logic analyzers. Because we've been doing this for since the dinosaurs roamed since eighty fifty one's were in the wild. No they're still in the world and yet hit. Those are all skills it's like you're making an embedded system and you're you're not doing all these things that people say. Oh better systems are hard. What you're doing is you're you're learning the whole thing across compiling something that you don't know natively and using a D.? Bugger on a system that you aren't running on his. It's different so yes. I agree with your approach that you you don't worry about everything at the start you just try to make it work and at that point point you will realize there are things around you that you're working on. Nobody learns to drive on a racetrack. Yeah no that's exactly the right thing is you know you're going to read. You can eat especially if you're this is where you're GonNa go you're GonNa read about all these different methods leads who keep things Titan efficient. And that's not where you're going for when you're learning you're learning you're going for can i. Can I can I can pile it. Can I loaded on the board word. Can I turn the lights on You get those down and everything else. You'll you'll start approaching all those things. Oh you know I can. I can time this and say oh it takes a really long time to run this and it should be a lot faster. How do I make it faster? Then you start reading Oh does do interrupts. Oh this is how I reduce the amount of code that goes on at the two initialized or to to read those does values or do those computations and the reason I know that printemps take a long time is because it has bitten me and the way that people will learn how to do these interruption cau- bags and changing how they do print off is because at some point you'll realize. Oh that's the problem. Yeah but how long does it take. Okay so I I. I'm in a minute software for a company. I have found a hardware project. Maybe we don't do embedded maybe I've decided to do some physical monitoring of our servers or something that will get me a project. Some project project can do as a ten percent project at my work. And I've done that but that's actually a really good one. I'd forgotten that one is To add when as at air where we had a devops guy who wanted to do some embedded stuff and what he did. And I'm pretty sure using our dino I I'm not one hundred then sure but he wrote this little device it must have been because I know he's you appreciate US using in bed but he wrote his little vice that said on our network that got messages from our our continuous integration server. When builds refinish like bill build finished and it would monitor those and then in keep track of it over time Creole Summary and then put the slack now if that is not an integration of a lot of technologies? I don't know what is it was doing network stuff it was network it was Processing internally now it wasn't using your own actually did blink light so we knew like the status of things I it was just. It was amazing thing and it just a little bored pilot two inches long and it just set plug in next to his desk and we'd Interactive Interactive via slack. And just you know we'd ask questions like basic questions of like what's to build status and would return Abaco list of passing bells. It was. It was cool the coolest little project Zine. Well that's a good idea too because that's normally something somebody would just do on a server somewhere. Yeah there's no reason you can't do any any kind of software on device if you have to find an excuse for a project. Take some agent that you've got already. Running is doing testing or monitoring put run some little device. And Yeah and the EMBIID I said it had networking but it also has an toss which may slow stuff easier and that he's like a class of boards kind of like saying arm well but it's also the the Framework Library they provide for compiler so it's not just it's sort of like saying Duino I know is not just one board right right but yeah okay how long. How long do you have to do these projects before you can get a job? Well let me ask that a different way. It's been rattling around my brain. Because I haven't done interviewing in recent years at at least if New People like like junior people so I haven't encounter people coming in with. Oh well I don't have embedded work experience. But here's here's some projects I've done. I've have you seen that Dennis. And what do you think about it. And how do you evaluate that. I guess that goes to her question. Of How long does it take in a way Asking more what are you looking. How much are you looking for in personal projects to decide okay? This person can do something I have because especially Ah Air where we were. We were hiring interns now. It's a little different than hiring a junior developer fresh out of school looking for a full-time job. It's it's it's just a little bit different but the thing that surprised me was home much like how many projects people had an a resume and I was was just thinking back when I was in college when I was when I was in college I wasn't going for Embedded software as actually a physics physics major and just happened ended this industry but when I look these resumes I'm like whoo. That's a lot like they've done a lot of Dave. They have a lot of experience. France experience it mean classroom experience but like they have running project. So that's that's pretty awesome for someone like just coming out of school. I if you tape if that's where you want to see if you're in school and that's where you WanNa go make sure your classes are are helping create these things create projects Or robotics team. Yeah or do projects Do things outside of class that are at require some kind of embedded work work or do personal projects like like like. We started the whole conversation with the I. WanNa I wanNA make you something. That does this thing and you don't have. Here's the other thing too if you don't have to think about it in terms of I want to sell us as a product some day so it has to be perfect and are there isn't a product on the market already. Does this thing just do something simple. But coming into like a really depends on the companies that you're looking at now if you're going for for in early stage startup that has five two hundred five to twenty people. They're not I'm sorry but they're not looking for someone who's looking for looking to gain that experience on the job because they want someone who can help turn things around quickly as if they're in that stage and looking for interns like that could be a thing but if you think I I really have a hard time believing I started I was going to say. Hey you've never done village work. You've done a some projects we're going to hire you to make our first product. That's that's going to be a hard sell. The bigger companies like those are GONNA be easier to get into and are a good way to get a rely experience quickly. My first job I had never done that development It was about one hundred thirty people at the company. But I done a lot of software and I got lucky that there's a lot of luck and interviewing but I got lucky that you know the the hiring the folks hiring thing saw a lot of potential and I. I remember that first week on the job. And they're like okay. Here's the here's the reward. Candice pump fluid fluid pump. And here's a here's a compiler. Here's your here's how you talk to it and and I remember the first time I just I type something and I saw I saw I heard things clicking and moving on my okay. This is what I'm doing the rest of my life. Actually I want to stop you there for a second. Sorry if you can on that train of thought how did you get get from. We had a math degree. But you went into software you went into Cisco routers but for a long time. You didn't consider that embedded aid because I didn't know the word. I don't think anybody was using that word in firmly back then CISCO CISCO by most people's definition would be embedded those cross compiling. I was downloading images to device was not a computer. We're on some weird. You know MIPS processor and with some purpose you know a home built operating system with yeah so it was embedded and I. Actually you know thinking back. Learn some of the things. We're talking about remote debugging and cross compiling got exposed to those through Cisco and it didn't even seem weird to me because that was just. Oh I thought this is the way people do things You know I done software development of course on on aunt normal computers before but it didn't seem that different the first time I encountered moving things like real embedded where you know. You're doing spy nice. Curtsey and things like that was two jobs later. I was a medical device company and that was. I'd already watched your career so I knew about all of these things so it wasn't. It's not exactly fair. I wasn't just dumped into it shocked by a lot for me I went to HP and did servers they they made big servers and wanted monitoring and I kept getting lower and lower in the hardware lower I wrote drivers for all the different operating systems to windows and to me. That's awesome driver I did. I've written several wrong. It's just that should be your entire on that and so I kept writing drivers and getting lower and lower and then blinking lights on the hardware and then when I went to go for a new job they were like. Why are you paying for software you should be doing embedded ah or from wherever they were saying and I said I don't know she mean and they said? Do you really have a signals background. Can you do. PD loops Zinni. Said Oh yeah sure and they said well we'll teach you everything in between and then And then I actually got to do cross compiling before that I didn't know about remote debugging and cross compiling So yeah it was. I went from software to embedded in large part because of luck. Because somebody said Oh do you have all the skills so. Let's just put them together. Yeah seeing output over a serial port. And that's your only interface that thing I mean they're all these a little bit of. This is different. They have to pick up. It's hard we're telling people to do projects but none of us did it. We just kind of I I. Yeah I mean you're going to there's going to be a lot like when you're learning this your I mean when you're in when you're in the real world you're going to be doing all kinds of crazy things like you're going to. It's it's going to be like the circuitous pass but you gotta get started somewhere And maybe maybe you get a job at a company that does have better stuff. And and that's what you start working like. I was so my first job was at Decca Research. And they were an embedded company the products all had processors somewhere inside of him. Then I went to Saint Jude medical and I went there to work on the firm our team but we had other. We had other people that were not embedded had. They didn't work on from where they did not work on embedded software. They worked on application software. But they'd said Hey. I wasn't involved at this time. But they whoever is in charge of the Times they said. Hey we've I WANNA get involved in the embedded inside and I remember it'd be conversations about You know so. And so he's only we ever you know he or she or he is actually a man or woman. They have only written applications off the desktop. They're not going to be able to do it and Dan you just show them like. Hey you don't have you know a gigabyte of memory to us. You don't have you know this infinite hard drive space to save stuff to you have Actually that I had two hundred fifty two hundred fifty six K.. Memory like you have this amount and they just said Oh okay these new constraints and you know they learned some techniques and things to look out for and they became Super Valuable Member of the team is just. It's so did you touch on a couple of topics in that part of the conversation. I've almost never used the word firmware like. I'm a former engineer. Except for where I am now because that's just way way. They've divided it up. I've always said embedded software and the reason I say it that way is to me like people ask me what. What's the difference between firmware and software might might just a couple of letters you used to have meaning jeans lost it? Yeah I mean if you think about like okay you know. I'm writing writing the control. The the software that controls as motor that lives on a pick. That lives in some way. Can maybe you can call it from her but you know at the end of the day. It's taking inputs taking output. It's doing some taking puts out putting something you know it's offer. Does it takes inputs if something with outputs it's all software so to me. There's no distinguish. I don't distinguish between them. The distinguishing thing is the constraints. Do you have lots of memory. You have little memory. Do you have power power. Requirements do not have power requirements. But it's still software today. I I personally. Just don't like distinguishing between them. Because I think it does a disservice just because it's now it's like. Oh I write firmware. I don't have to follow the rules for software development. Might what you have rules you know why because your software. Your firmware is running on something that has to work so I mean rules. Are you good. Naming good code unit testing Documentation like what is this thing. Do why do the way it does now. You don't have the right. You know pages and pages of documentation to say you know this. This motor controller takes an input and computes discount mutation and an outputs appeal. VM Signal. To something I don't need I I. One page is fine breath. Write down what it does so when you leave that job when you get sick and you're out and someone else has to do something with it or when you go on to another project and someone else takes over or you come back six or six or twelve months later to fix something like you understand. What the heck is going on there so that to me is why I? I don't distinguish between them because at the end of the day you still have to be right you have to be. You have your software person even if it's you're flipping bits on something at the lowest level. You're still writing software. I do think you're getting at something there that I haven't really realized is that naming of roles else has has power because people do say oh I'm an embedded software engineer. I'm a firmer engineer. And they have some understanding of what that means in that might be colored colored by their you know a decade of career and it might not apply really anymore because if you're releasing a quarterly really update that former updates your device. It's hard to call that firmware anymore. And it's hard to say this isn't an application even even and the techniques that you go to go through to secure something that can be updated frequently are far different than even. If you're burning of Rome right the you're never going to touch again. And I think people need to realize that we were all kind of moving to a space where we're converging with normal off normal software development all those techniques that came from even web development and now apply to US except agile take. It used to be more wild west. It used to be more. Just make it work once. It works as well as it's ever going to work. We burn a million Ian Robson are done and we drop the code and we go on because whatever you're going to build next is going to be on a different processor is going to be totally different. There's no reuse or continuity witty testing is external to the code. And that's not true anymore. We write software. We we write software primarily for humans and and the fact that the computer processor does what we want is sort of a byproduct. We should be more aware that the humans are the people were writing and for. I think a lot of this went out the window. As soon as the first radio module was put holidays for more update from emmer means that our software well it means it can be worse than we want it to be the first time we ship it but it also means it's much more insecure so those zone. What you're working on depends on her right right right so you you touch on another thing? There is like Times just get it working. and that's still the norm is like okay. We all all we have all these pieces. We need to make them work. So so let's let's pull together quickly and make sure everything works together. Now the scariest thing is having a working demo because once you have a working demo shipping Ed. WE'RE GONNA two weeks we just got to put the packaging around it and like no we just gotta working just got to take this down to South America. Never Mind Yeah Yeah we got it working once we have working once Yeah that's that's the the big risk But that and that's where it comes in on the team and not just not just delete as the team who says we you know we can show that works here on the lab. We can put one on someone's desk in making use it but here's all the other work that has to happen to make sure that can that can be done. Not just one time but you know ten a hundred thousand a million times in the works reliably like secure for more update. Yeah Yeah Okay back to back to the question of. How long do I have to do projects before I start actually getting a job which is not the real question because how long is doesn't make any sense? It's actually four weeks and three days I mean again. It depends on on the the type of type of company you're like you're targeting you can get your foot indoor so for me especially when I was talking to interns turns Or if I'm looking for junior junior developer. I'm GONNA WANNA see like have you know. Have you done something You know they. They haven't shipped anything but have they done something and then all of the demonstrated someone else and it works. You know if you have something you can bring to interview. That'd be that's it's really cool. That is such a great way to control interview because now you are going to be talking about something you know. We're control it. From the from the interviewee perspective. Yeah uh-huh I mean if you you're holding this thing of course they're going to ask you about it and now instead of asking you about their product which you don't know anything about their asking you about your thank you can talk endlessly about. Yes but getting is pretty open ended answer so what I'm looking at these developers. I'm looking at like I always open my my my interviews. We're GONNA do some. We're generate some code on the law at some point and I'm not looking to see if you can put some icons in the right place or your procedure balanced and all that like. I'm not the compiler will tell you if you if you do that on my K- that I'm noticing that but I'm not going to throw you know this guy is not gonna this person's not going to work out because they didn't put semi-colons in the right place like that's stupid but I'm looking like how do you how do you think about the problem. I if I ask you to write a a you are driver to to you re you talk to another device like how would you approach that like the things you have to do and this is actually a really good question A really a good thing to think about if you if you WANNA get into bed like how do I talk to a couple of different devices. How do I like what do I have to do? Not Talk to you are oh I have to be able to open closer. At beulah. Said moderates moderates and bit rates parody. If I'm talking is scored see like game. How do I address those deserve? You know You know the address is your command response if it spy. How do I address different things? How do I how do I write this by? How do I read from spy like there's addresses that you use all spy devices use? Now you don't have to know those like oh it's just addresses exactly how I do it but getting you know having that like we can have a conversation but I'm also looking at like just general software development. That's why I'm thinking. Oh you're an embedded person you don't have to follow the rules of asking questions asking asking you about a Spec like what like what does it have to look. What kind of data rates do I need to be able to handle? How of how often is going to be called though? I have to put it in a row do I just you know do I just put it in a pull it. Whenever I need that information those are the kind of questions I'm GONNA ask And and just if anyone ever comes to interview with with me I'M GONNA I'm gonNA leave holes in the questions I'm going to leave. It's going to be vague. I want you to ask those questions. That is a an interview thing that I don't think I understood right away that the question may actually be impossible as stated in what they are trying to find is. Can you ask the questions agent or are you just going to bash yourself against those rocks until you you realize you can't and then you're gonNA leave angry because our josh you're describing my last four weeks this is a business traction man no no okay so you said Ice Chrissy and spy an you are and do they need all of these terms and if so if they've done a couple of projects how do they know these things they're not easy you have to. You have to know him inside out so that was nothing when you you guys were talking about first jobs. I I was thinking back over my career when you guys ever pass people on episode. Unfortunately I missed. I was thinking about wins. The I I really like truly wrote a low level driver. I'm like oh I had to be back in at Decca. My first job and I was thinking. I'm like oh I think it was that everywhere I go. I know I just the funny thing. So like I've been doing embedded work for twenty years. The first time I the first time I really wrote some low like low level stuff I think was that air where that was like seventy sixteen seventeen years into my career but I was writing. I was writing embedded applications. I was writing. I was working on control rooms. I was working i. Yeah I knew. I had memory restraint memory restraints. I had power restraints at all this stuff but I was like. I blinked some lights early on. I I definitely wrote some stuff that like turn displays on erosion stuff. Is this way but the display driver was already like someone else on the team had already written it. I'm like oh I was just putting stuff on the screen I guess. It has responded some button clicks. Oh but someone else wrote the thing that listened to the button. Tell me the button clicked or not. I'm like wow yeah. It was pretty far into my career before I wrote some rule like quote unquote true embedded. Yeah I think I'm trying to think it must've been ten or eleven years in my career nine somewhere between nine and eleven years before I did that too. It was much earlier for me. That was because I actually went to embedded so I guess this is throwing a little kink in also also. We've been talking about this stuff. Yeah we're all liars. It definitely gives you a leg up especially for me if I'm hiring someone to do embedded I just want I want some some exposure to that but really if you are if if you can understand right software in a whiteboard question is a very very limited scope. It's very. It's very time constrained it's not. It's what we you as an industry. It's not maybe the best thing to do But like take-home coding tests. I've done those once and I hated. It was really annoying but it. It's a way to show some knowledge and it really my interviews. A lot more conversational I. I'm not going to three up on the wall and say okay right to sing. I definitely have done. I know I did that a few times. I air wear but I like like to have a conversation about like. How do you approach? How do you do that? Like one of my questions is always. Unfortunately the answer almost always the same thing it's like do unit unit testing and it's almost always know get to experience with that. There's a Lotta great frameworks out. There you know you don't even have to do it. Unit testing of embedded code. Just get some experience with it. If you walk into an interview with me and you say yeah I do unit testing it is my framework. Unlike you already went up two notches on my scale. Because that means you're concerned about the quality of the code not just does it work like does it work when I ride the firm. You know I write it and throw it on the on the processor you concerned about writing code that can be tested in that is going to be solid. That I know is like we're gonNA write that and requires gonNA touch it ever again and you know I don't ask in interviews about ice crazy or spy or you are. I hope that they have used them but I don't care if they've written a driver for them. I want to know more that you can understand how a system them isn't all spaghetti that you can make boxes. I am really impressed by people who can make block diagrams of their system because they understand that these are separate pieces zip code the potentially have reused that can be tested on their own. I care about testing. I don't always you know. Unit test is a word a pair that is particular meaning. I'm okay with understanding more about how you test it. How do you make testable without sane gene unit testing? But Yeah we want you to know what all of these little protocols are but you don't have to have implemented implemented every single one of implemented one and can talk about the difference in talk about how logic analyzers work and why it was important to know that in order to de Bogus by driver. That is awesome. Yeah more I want you to be able to say oh I had an accelerometer ahead an led. I used a little bit of code to make it so that the led color changed based on the accelerometer. And this is why I did it and this is how I kept them separate and this is how I changed the accelerometer to something else. I mean it's the separation in the testing that are bigger deal so maintain all back together is when we talked before four and when I tell people like things they can read become better developers. I don't send them I I I do have some embedded software articles like release but one of my favorite ones is Joel Skis lists and they had nothing to do with embedded software. They are software in general. Like if you're writing web servers whether applications embedded applications things. It's an on desktops like these are these are articles. Read those and apply what you can it almost all it applies you know why firmware software as me do a question of what is what are we assuming the minimum experience of the person his who is trying to get into embedded. What background are we saying is okay? You need this background before you even attempt to play with embedded in tempt to get a better job because there's plenty of people I think who listen to our show who maybe don't have a software engineering background. who play around with our dino or learning and other stuff I mean most most people I've worked with have not have computer science or software engineering backgrounds? They've been mathematicians. Physicists have been electrical engineers They took some software for classes in school. they've they've done those and they had you know basically had a knack for and like I like Writing Software Burnett. Swear I mean that's how I ended up in it When I was in college people like Oh you must be a computer science person? I'm like non physics but I I just I'm always in the lab writings offer because that's kind of what I do But I'm writing software for physics stuff so just the way it worked out. I mean if you want I mean so. Software is a craft is not just like you. You're going to if you like doing it and you wanna I do it. You need to you need to do it. You can't just say wake up one day I'm GonNa be a software engineer. I WANNA be a software person and just say okay. Now I'm going to go. We'll get that job you have to be practicing it. You have to do it at home or in your current job You happy that experience of working with a computer everyone. Anyone who doesn't ray software thinks. Oh I just want to computer this one little thing. She'd be really simple for you right and the fact that you're laughing because you know that's never the case never the case. There's always a million little detail that you have to get just right. I mean the compiler is is brutal. If you don't tell exactly what you WANNA do. It won't do it to you having that experience. So Oh and shifting between the detail oriented where over my semi colon and how do I talk to register on a peripheral to the high level of how how do I keep my code separated and clean and testable and architect did well and there's this to slide back and forth in mental shifts it orders of magnitude difference. Yeah Yeah you mentioned resources and I agree Joel on software DOT COM. He's got reading list on that front. Page just fantastic It's funny when I go back and read them. How many things? I must have read fifteen in years ago and internalized so much that now he feels like he's plagiarizing from from my head so I agree with that you have other books. You suggest other articles books Well everyone knows I'm a big fan of Of Unit testing and test has your development There's James Grinning Book. That's that's geared towards imbedded. See but there's a lot of other. Td books out there now. Oh you're real advocate for TD. You must do that. Actually I. Don't and I mix it. It's kind of like the whole. Agile thing I. I'm not a fan of all this stuff with agile but I like some of the stuff from it. So I've taken this stuff. I think is appropriate. Some other ones actually as your book making embedded systems When so when someone asked me I'm like just you don't have to read this thing cover to cover but read through exceeded the kind of things you need to know without because you have everything in there from you know? The high level like the block diagrams like houses isn't gonna go together to low level debugging so it's a good. It's a good place to start to other articles Other articles are things. Like if you're using see there's some this articles is probably has got to be like twenty five thirty years old now rules for defensive C.. Programming as it's really there's like fifteen fifteen tips in there ten fifteen tips It's just like naming you'll putting units on your names Don't use pound defines it because that can lead to other problems and I I found out from a guy I used to work with at Decca. Twenty years ago I was I. I was gone from there a few years and he said Yeah. We found this problem in in the in the released version of software and all came down to a pound to find being incorrect and gone through all the testing and everything. It'd been on the field for a while but like I went back to article. reread it right there. Some the things that I know. A lot of the embedded world uses C. N. sees a great language. It's also very powerful and it will let you. Ill cut your foot off off. But the article is. Why are you still using see? It's advocating for using C.. Plus plus and I've got a mix back back and forth. We've Seen C. Plus plus My current projects all in see. But it's funny 'cause I am as I been there seven months now and as I'm looking at it Micah U. C. Plus plus because the dakotas written to try and do that all the things plus gives you for free. They're trying I do see I know in you know twenty years ago. The arguments were well. C. Plus plus has all his extra overhead. All these things you can do you know. C. Plus plus has gotten a lot bigger you make spaghetti code utilised that person in a bowl of Spaghetti. Yeah Yeah you don't have to use all those features you can use a subset side of it but take a look at it I I do remember a story from way way back when I started a decade. They were using C.. Plus plus and if you can't come in and say you absolutely cannot use plus blessing embedded software got it make it very far in the interview process. The robot Gordon Amount. Then there's another. There's another set of articles that were in I think e times way back in the day Thirty pitfalls for real time systems development and. That's another one is just you know I I have this set of articles I keep them. I I have him on a pdf and whenever someone starts release or. I usually do it when you know we've made them an offer native accepted and they have this started yet mike. Here's some stuff that start out as an intern to I sent him the articles. Like these are good things to read like. I'm not going to quiz him on day. He won but now it does come up in conversations. I can usually tell if they've read them or not You know and it's like it's like when you get a new a new new device like you wanted to start playing with it and seeing how it works you put the manual to the side but if somebody were to hand you the manual before you arrested device you would actually read it. You might not read it cover to cover. But YOU'RE GONNA look through it so I like to give these articles. They're excited about the job but they haven't come in and seen like okay. Now I have to make all this stuff work so that little window of opportunity me to sneak these things into him and I usually give them the td by the book as well in either sent it to more sitting on their desk when they start but users book. I have the making it systems as well. Maybe I should add that to my list I will I will especially the the more junior developers but yeah these are new out in the last six months the that goes back to software being suffering my favorite tools. Make there's there's a great article that someone someone one had given me when I just a few years ago that now I pass around people say what make make like forty years old. I think it just turned forty like this ear. Maybe last year and I my favorite thing is like. Oh we can't use whatever tool is because it hasn't been updated in you know six months twelve Muslim but you know make hasn't been updated in a long time and space on thirty forty year old plan and but you know what it works really really well. It's got some quirks. Wchs has got some things that you gotTa Watch out for but it works really well and I I I see all these other systems before I go out. We we've recreated we replace make with this new system that's on top of that sits on top of make either sits on top of make or recruits poorly. Because all handles us one thing that doesn't do like yeah but it doesn't do the other forty things that make does really. Well you don't do at all that's not that important and you see them every week. They have new release a dozen other little future. I'm like yeah I'm sticking with make an old school like that. Sometimes you find tools that work in even if they're corky keep using them because they're effective also another question. You didn't ask him. The lightning round was I I think you asked recently the last week or or recently was ID versus command line. And I use both now I use the I D you too deep bug I use. Id to do simple like whatever project. I'm working on to build right Dan. 'cause I'm just them in a in the groove but every project they work on can build from the command line It's a make target and I you know you say make Either making it is the targeted the first one or a missile special package. The reason do this is because When you go to releases you don't want to say? Hey we're doing a release today is Joe. Here is sue here like she's she's up for the release. You don't release from your desktop in your released from your continuous integration server. This is another software software. General best practice is having a computer is not a development Ullman machine that can do all your builds. And you're you're you're not you're you're not going to open your ID and click build and save off. The package is is that all that stuff has to be scripted. It all has to be driven from a command line. That thinks it's closet and you know it either. Runs runs every day every night every branch every commit you can set the Whatever you want Mine runs on every commit by the way Commit to to the main repo but That thing when you go to release all the news you kick off a release branch inch you update the version number any other little piece of the documentation that you won't have on their you push it to the server and you know depending on how long you bill takes five administrator. You have your release candidate now you go off and do your formal tests. Oh you know what all your unit has ran on the release server as well know all your unit test pass If you are really far along You've run basic smoke tests on hardware from your your integration server There's probably there's still some stuff that you had to do manually Someone on your team someone in Qa they pull that released binary they run the tests and you know they give the thumbs up. uh-huh down you You merge the release back in you tag it halo you releases done but you knew where that started from being able to build from the command line it to build the entire project command line. That's actually one of the things from the Joel Joel's lists as well. Can you build in one step. And it's amazing. How many people don't do that? They say. Oh we'RE GONNA release. Go pull out in on the latest branch or the latest. Neil whatever develop alip is or master whatever you do your release process change version number and hit compile okay. Here's the thing that I'm going to copy the networks rival. Mike Okay Did you know your your tools updated you. Update your tool in your how. You're on different tool set now. You just broke something for everyone else. Oh you didn't have whatever ever you know the special version of some key or whatever you had to have in place and you didn't do that now now. That version is completely different than all the ones we built before they. There's so many things things will go wrong if you're doing it from your desktop But if you have your integrations or redoing it it's going to be the same every single time. It's just that's that's what you should be focused as soon as aiming now that has nothing to do with getting into his offer that that's further down the line but just do that and you'll be happy the bringing able to say that you understand those things. Is this useful software engineer. You may have an advantage with that. He may be able to say. I know how to do these things. I may not know how to run. Ice Chrissy driver but I can make a test system. That will actually work so that. You're no oh longer dependent on one computer. That may go up in flames at any time. Yeah if you come you know come into me into hey I want to be embedded absolutely experienced but also do. I've seen all this other stuff on my all. You've used US okay. Let's let's start talking. Yeah your software. Knowledge is not wasted. Did this how do you balance being confident in both the theory like all of the spunky stuff and all of the TD stuff and the tactical information like processors in specific peripherals. It seems like it's so much knowledge to get all at once. What what do you look for for them? Yeah that's a great question I I'm always thinking of myself like okay. I know I know this and I know that a and I don't know anything I think the key is the realize you're part of a team and this this is my little Kumbaya moment. But you're part of the team you don't have to know everything especially as I've I've you know been on the management side of things like my current job I I I have the compiler I have hardware I can. I can use of it but unfortunately I don't. I don't touch the harder all often as much anymore. I'm doing a lot of other things especially sitting a bill stuff for making the teamwork more efficient. But you know I rely on the fact that I have this team and you know this person knows a lot more about The language like the interests of the language in this person who is a lot more about processors. This person who was about sensors you. It's not just the firmware embedded team is also the ease if you look if you if you have the current product that's what you have you're GonNa make you gotTa make it work but when you start talking about that next generation one like you don't have to know everything everyone everyone's going to bring something to the table. Keep working on teams where I'm the only person that's the that's the flip side and then to know your. Yeah then you do have to know everything or you know people who know other things and you reach out to them like I've been in the industry long enough of that. I have friends on both coasts. I have people I've worked with I have medical non medical and and I actually when I when I started the air where I was like. Hey we need I need some of these you know I need. I was looking at static analysis tools and like you know embedded software like. That's the first thing on your list is. I need to know about in static analysis tools but restored to my I restarted. Do Gold Co workers and colleagues and friends and said. What are you guys using And just took took a sample poked around the web and seen what seem what people are using But being talked to people huge. It wasn't like you know our long conversations thrown email or phone calls. Hey you got five minutes. You're going to build those resources up over your career. Make make use of them and how do you. How do you convince management management? I know no but there's always been there's always a layer of you. There is a layer above you. That's that's that's the hard one he said you know. People will talk about. Writing offers really hard like convincing people even harder. People aren't compilers. They're not you know they're not a piece of hardware you just if you if you get just right. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA go your way a lot of it. Is Demonstration If you if you need to layout you know thousands and thousands of dollars like you're not gonNa just go get that tool and start using it but maybe you know maybe you can demonstrate some of this like like server Continuous Integration Server. If you go to if you go if you don't currently have that if you go to someone say hey I need a server. I I need a computer An easy live on the network. It has to have these kind of resources and I need to have this software like as Hartselle Depending on the size of the new depending on the company are at. But you know you can do you can find Hazer. Is there a computer that just you know an older computer. No one's using anymore older laptop Can I have it. Can I use it for a few weeks. Is there a lab machine. I can use that knowing that is just sitting there getting cobwebs. You don't need the most powerful your latest machine. You need something that runs their free servers out there. There are free tools Jenkins's what is a very very modern You know you're going to have to learn like I'm in the business I'm in. I'm in the I'm learning at right now. I've got it setup but there's so many things about it I don't know but that's it up have his desk and you know. Do you know if you especially if your if your boss or your team leads like he'll we I get this thing out and you you don't have time to work on these other things you know lunch hours agreed. Time no grab grab grab your food. Eat It quick and get back After hours steps baby steps you know you're not GonNa get it in the first step but get it. Setup can and it read you can read from a repository You know you might have to create some depending on where things are. You might have to create an account for it but you know until you you get an old Rolled out and use your account like if it's on a remote using get hover bit bucket or any remote code repository does does does your production level. This is your hour. Prove that this works and get it set up two runs once a night and you can come in the morning. Say Look at it. Did this or runs At lunchtime so you can see the results right away to a lot of times it. That's one example. But it's a Lotta Times just setting up setting up An example of why why you WanNa go somewhere Now if you were in using embedded tool chains that have really expensive compilers. You're not gonNA be able to do that But maybe you can run on your machine Now you are working on racine's we don't want to distract you. You don't want you don't want that running while you're doing things but you can sit up the right now if you don't take your machine home Have it run at seven o'clock in the morning or six o'clock in the morning before you come in or have it run at the lunch hour so you can sit there and watch it and make sure everything's working working That's where he is her For other tools I've seen this before too is like You know static analysis tool on Lenox. You have you have lent. That's really it's it's again. It's an old school tool but it works. It gives you a lot of information about your software and you know you can't just maybe you can't go your project leading safe. We now must use lint or whatever static analysis tool I you WANNA use like. That's the only way Indu really really good software. Run on your code run it. Run it on the stuff that you're working on you make it. Make it part of your part of your party your development process and in your code reviews. Hopefully you're doing code reviews. Young people started saying You're you're not you know. Qa's not coming back for saying. Hey we found these problems or not your tests. They're always passing passing or that. You can start demonstrating the code is getting better or you can just look at the code and say look at as you reviewing other people's codes or coders As you're making modifications to other parts of the code base you can be making these improvements and when people say hey Why why did you add this check in her? Why did you why did you change? This was like well. That's a common error that causes that gets hidden by this thing. And how did you find that. How'd you knew about that well as uses tool called lent or I use this other clang or CPI check as a free tool? Same thing. I use this tooled old. I just I've been running into over the code and identifying potential problem areas and not one hundred percent guarantee problems but these are things that could cause is a problem down the line or yeah if you have a GCC based project or you have a project can be built in Klang Klang and see if it's there. The compiler is is is really good at spitting out a lot of other lottery warnings about what could go wrong. Your tools are use your tools there to help you so I mean that gets back to like you can do things within your own little own little sphere and and maybe you know the person next says hey. I know she'd been doing that like can you show me like. Oh Yeah I have. It built in here. Now they start using this little bit of a a guerilla warfare. But sometimes that's what you gotta do especially if you don't have a lead like hey if the lead like we just got to get this out like maybe you can help change it from the bottom up and that does work but going in and putting your foot down saying we should do this and you have twenty five thousand errors in your code. It's it's not doesn't work and you bash your head against the wall and it's no fun for anybody and yet if you can start being the person that everybody everybody goes to you because your code works in your code works because you use a tool that tells you use a tool use unit testing and suddenly. You're the person everybody wants to go to takes awhile. It does it's baby steps and it's a lot of learning the tools because you don't necessarily cecily want all of those warnings but let's say you want to just start going start doing it and yes it's hard to start another really really simple one is. If if you don't have warnings as errors turned on in your build right start eliminating those errors and in turn that on and other people in a team. We're GONNA you know turn on your build. Committed to the REPO talked people say. I've eliminated all the warnings. They they won. They should notice that if they do out noticing air the warning count go down like starting to wondering about your co workers but but I mean what you get it down if if if you if you can eliminate all those talk to the lead of the project is say. Hey I you know I took some. I took some time. I you know I'm delivering. Make sure you're delivering anything you've promised to deliver on Bassy. I took some time and I have eliminated the warnings. Can we turn this on. So it's now an error so we don't get any more in just just say you know if we the warning. My favorite thing is leaving warnings on and people say oh. It's just a warning. Don't worry about it. A warning is a competitive telling you you know you're doing something a little weird. I'm not sure that's really WANNA do. And maybe it is if it is their compiler flags that you can go in and say ignore it for this one piece of code. Because we're doing something really really clever lever. Don't do clever things that you'll be better but You can you can turn off very specific cases. That's the better thing to do within just say oh just ignore the warnings because those worn is gonna come back and bite you at the worst possible time you're gonNA be doing demo in front of your. CEO Intern of the company in front of a customer. or they're thinking shipping in the field. That warning is going to break so so we have this slack. Channel that is private and Dennis's on it and a couple of other people Andrey and SVAK and some other experienced engineers who are are all nominally supposed to be writing for the embedded FM blog. But I am noticing some deficiencies there. Inuit we'll have this channel and we talk on it and Dennis often mentions Unit testing and continuous integration servers. And things he's working on at work like that and everyone on the slack. Tunnel wants to work at Denis's company. I don't think we place enough understanding that. Not only are these making better pieces of code better software better devices. It's making a better environment to work in. And I wish that the management in Leeds who don't support test driven development unit Heston better lint checkers. All of these things. Ed Wish they understood that yes. It's a little hard to get started but once you're there it's so much better and experienced people know. I know that that's the funny. That's actually really interesting because Folks on my team here when I came in they were doing you know pool on it. You know here's the branch which hit building the compiler. Here's a release like the role a lot of things that were not in place and you you talk about. How do you bring this into place? When I started air where I'm like I I came on really hot and I definitely tweet some noses when I did it and so I yelled back started building things within stuff I was working? I I did what I the whole process that we said before. I just kind of built it out from. Yeah they already were doing unit testing so that was great by just kinda introduce more more things and they had ti server setup. I learned earned a lot of amazing techniques from Vokes Air. Where and but eventually all of a sudden like okay now I I had the team? I have more of the team. Now I'm in charge of all the embedded development and so when I came to this company One I came in at that lead position Russian but I also knew there was an established team there and I can't you just can't come in and say you guys are doing this all wrong. And they weren't doing wrong they were doing. They had functional code. They they had they had had things working. So the greatest thing at the end is does vice work like if it works than you did something right like the technique to get there may have been neil questionable at some points but like they had. They had a functional device now taking that to production auction. Like there's things you can do improve but especially in those first net first week or two first couple of weeks just looking at how people were developing This could be better. And here's what we're going to start you know we're gonNA start adding on how we do things and you're getting that server in place so it was always building. There were no more broken develop there is no more broken trunk using SPN. Originally I. I got their wish to get but you know we started. Ah People started noticing like Oh. I don't have to worry about such and such thing happening because you know it tells me there's issues coming up We unfortunately it took a lot longer to get in but that was my fault but got unit testing going and across the team every single person. WHO said wow? I just found a problem that I would not have found or would have been impossible to find on the hardware but I wrote a unit tasked. It failed and I was not expecting that and now I put the fixing kicks in and now it's better and or now we have this code has like low level driver stuff in application stuff can mix together like it's going to be impossible unit tesla factor and pull out trevor level piece of it and an application piece of an all right good go for it and they come back and say okay. We've separated out and you go look at the code. It's like so much more readable and the whole team was like this is really good. This is really like everything is from from my above me people. You are like still like okay. Where's soffer faster and faster but I look at what we're doing and we're working so much faster than where before? Like when I when I started in the first couple months. It's we had someone recently on the team they're like wow you guys work really fast. Sierra Mike we're still jogging. We haven't started running yet. We still have a ways to go. But we're getting there so these tools and techniques and like just looking at how things work and making better helps everyone My favorite actually had this conversation just just yesterday for some reason. Our builders recompiling everything every single time instead of doing partial builds and I I didn't notice because I hadn't been using it and so I said Yeah it's been doing this for for for a little while. Okay and things like this happen. We have to fix them right away away. 'cause if if you compile it takes three minutes to compile the entire project and you do that ten times a day that's half an hour of your day just sitting there looking at the compiler compiler but if he's doing parcels it takes three seconds. That's thirty seconds of your day. Which would you rather US thirty seconds? Just what would you rather be spinning that other twenty twain half minutes like thinking about the code working on stuff or would you Rather spend that time watching the compiler go compiling file compiling file compiling Filo so all all those little things that they add up really quick over the course of a day or the course of a week over the course of a project. I feel like it's redundant now to ask you for a thought leave us. I know you're in the show. So yeah no you're tools or to actually want And I think that's it really understand your tools and he goes back to what I said. Earlier like software is a craft. You know you're not going to go to a a woodworker who's going to have you know. Dole Dole adult acts adult knife. They're going to keep them sharp because debts vets. That's their trade. It's the same with software like your tools are your trade. If you don't like you don't have to know every single option. They can do you every everything old can do but the ones that you need to use make sure you understand how they work and use them and if things start looking like pay attention how long long things take. If if it's if things start taking later what changed. Let's start taking longer. What changed but just really know your tools understand them and keep them sharp thank you? That is good advice. I think you've had lots of good advice through the show. So thank you very much for being with us. Dennis Grief always great fun talking to you is I guess has been Dennis Jackson Director firmware engineering at element science. Dennis sounds familiar because he was on episode. Ninety four don't be clever when he it was at airway making a drone operating system. I would like to say thank you to Christopher for producing and for Co hosting and of course Chris Thank you for listening special thanks to Patriots supporters. Who let me send Dennis Microphone? I am looking for a new GIG. Ideally something Matthey or robotics ish if you know someone needing a strange set of embedded systems architecture prototype gene code implementation and personal communication skills. Please keep me in mind. I should get a job at some point and a quote to leave you with this time. I'm from Voltaire. The perfect is the enemy of the good emitted is an independently produced. Radio show that it focuses on the many aspects of engineering it is a production of logical elegance an embedded software consulting company in California. If there are advertisements advertisements in the show we did not put them there and do not receive money from them at this time. Our sponsors are logical elegance and listeners. Like you you.

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S8 Ep 9: Nicole Scherzinger

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S8 Ep 9: Nicole Scherzinger

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We thought why not do a Christmas dinner. I feel like Mike. We're getting away with kind of part celebrating Thanksgiving because it was just like last week. That's why I've done my sweet potato. Your wall done sweet potato with marshmallows and cinnamon which is a kind of thanksgiving favorite. But it's in the Bahamas where my sister-in-law comes from so what is on the menu. I want to thank white trash and partners for providing the most beautiful array of food ingredients. Yeah I mean you've you've given us all the grow up to be able to create a a festive scene. We've got Turkey. Yeah we've got stuffing Turkey with stuffing. We got you've done your stuffing an extra one. What is my extra one is? It's like a force meet with prime bristles. Forced me. Well I use mincemeat because I've used sausage me. Yeah I've just put cranberries Serbs and onions in to go inside the Turkey so we're trying something out. Waitresses have given us a slow cooked Turkey breast with sage onion embryo Brioche. Gosh that's a good idea. That's a really good idea is the Brioche is the stuffing okay. We'll be sweet. Stuffing great with the spice. Mel is a lot of glaze We've we've also got you Daniel sprouts with grapes. You are being ungenerous they are going to potentially be the star of the show. They are Brussels browse with red grapes. Done in soy sauce and also stomach at we usually at US Muscatel Sherry Vinegar. We didn't have and then with some fresh thyme and then he's not ready to hazelnuts and they're delicious. He did them in the oven. I say kind of sex upper sprout. What else the warm dish that Jeffy coup? So it getting fooling read the. Yeah thank you. I've done some roasted root vegetables. Yeah I've done roast potatoes and made Red Kapich which is the best I know. 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Yeah don't you. Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot. Like me like thought it was Jodie Marsh. Didn't she wear that. Says you wish you boyfriend was hot. You go from spotlight Let's pull the port. Let's loosen the whatever. Let's get on with that Nicole. SHES INGA coming up. I'm hungry okay. We'll just getting Christmas thinner rights which fizzy. But would you like still so doc. Kidding retakes straighten. I feel like you need to just put your feet back in the light and just relax. You've been looking hard. Simon Thousand Housing Lucky really fucking Lila. I'm happy because I'm a very family person. And so from me do come to your home. Homerun you to have me here and especially for you to have your mom because my mom is my everything. So I'm I'm already like you got me in the most chill relaxed mood. Speaking of your family. You are hot Hawaiian or I am. Why in Ukrainian Filipino the food in the Philippines? Oh well I want to know about the line. Yes so I didn't grow up in the Philippines I was born in Hawaii and so my mom is Hawaiian and Ukrainian. And then my here's. My biological. Father is Filipino. So mother had me. She goes with me when she was seventeen and then And so yeah. I was born in Hawaii but Switch island is awful on a case live wherever I've been to yes. Cool went to launch mature reading expensive hotel clean meal is you gotta get looked. He is so yes you have this really interesting melting pot of so many different inherited that Jim. What's your favorite kind of cuisine? Out For those heritage King. Young on my mommy always cooked always cook so so I love my mom's gone king. I'm definitely I grew up eating rice with every meal. Because we're Asia and ray okay and Our family has a lot of recipes of like one of my favorite dishes. The dish that I could actually make voice chicken so is not wish but it's always just. Oh so it's like very like Asian dish with lots of vegetables. Waste emotions nine. Yes yeah it's like the bras. I don't know it's so confusing. It's like when you go to the Sushi restaurant they call it ill sauce. You're like their ailing win. Has Except Brown sauce. You're like is there ill or is it just the sauce that goes on Eel. So yeah so Yeah my my mom has a lot of. We have a lot of family dishes that I grew up with her. And then I love Hawaiian food is it. I know lots of pokey. Yeah Hawaii Hawaii. We Love them why we love to tell me how to cook it properly and to enjoy riot it up really Friday so we have a tin of spam in your I. I grew up with it but I don't eat it any more. Would it bring back memories of kind of childhood and smoke so good if you ever eaten spam. Oh my gosh. She said like corn beef. Yeah Yeah coffey summits and I did like it's more it's hard it's his helmet. Spam might minced Ham compressive. Yeah it's delicious. We have to think families Soobee will you take spam Sushi so you take the spam and you put it on raced in rapid and seaweed oath that sounds so good like seaweed like have Sushi. Sounds like a little what's it what they call the Hamels. Yeah Yeah Yeah lovely see you on the same island is President Obama. Yes really did we now know. Have you met him. Yes is he fabulous. He's great he's lovely him and Michelle. I really like Michelle as well. They're lovely yes. She's wonderful food. Did you talk about Hawaii. I don't think we had Tom. I think it was doing his hope. Change campaigns so there with my friends will I am other friends in the industry trying to help push that campaign and support him so and I've met him. I went to the White House because I work very very closely with the Special Olympics. So I got got to see them again. They're in their own home at the time. So but yeah Hawaii. Have you been there. Mum's away. Oh yes that's where so where to uh-huh Choline no say Hawaii again so fancy people say Hawaii but it's not like the actual the correct pronunciation is Hawaii. Hawaii all the divisor as pronounced. Vee Have I or you can say what e- holy you might do. It is going to come back from the parks and I said listen. Moana's Mommy's on scene. I've thought for that for those five. Live lines guys. I fought for them. Can you do them that. You'RE GONNA have to do them. You'RE GONNA have to do them. Winch comes in but did you don't even know my live. Did you go to sing it. He sang that one bit. Did you not you not yes. Cook up to me. And the the village believes in the business. Believe he's our favorite and I love it so much. We have to watch every day Megan. She's so I fought so hard for that role. They always kill off the moms. The grandma the mom the usually little mermaid doesn't now mom knows back they don't they killed her off off. Why did she need to die in? Then they brought her back and I begged for it. I was like please. I want to be a part of this. I have to be a part of this. So you involved in like when did you you see the script before it was kind of because it was like so top secret but we we had been talking to them for for for years and years and I just was relentless because my family was relentless my family kept saying they're doing this. You have to be a part of it because everybody who's a part of it was Polynesian. Descend Eighteen O. You have to be up to stay true to the story of our people where we come from so I was like you guys have to get in this. I don't care based the true story or Myth WanNa them and do you Lin Manuel Miranda. I mean I met him actually actually no. I met him in In New York when he did Hamilton choosy so fantastic. Yeah it's that is like rearrange the DNA of musical theater. So I feel like you could be one of the the women in it I would love. I love that I'm mystery. Acid I ran actually Andrew Lloyd. Webber told me all about that musical before it was even out he was like you have to see this wrapped. Musicals like you're into a wrapped musical and then I saw I saw and I just fell in love with it. I saw several times and Yeah I I actually just did a a love musical theater. I loved Art van. I just put on a show in In New York City for the Broadway community a tiny little show invite only early in a couple of fans came and got to sing it was an intimate evening Broadway night with Nicole and I got to sing my favorite song. K gives us you. You probably don't know that we do so. There's a song called losing my mind. What uh-huh musically I forget? It's The sun comes by thing Kabalu. Also I think hope it is easy to do in every little. It's on time so in love it. I think that a couple people covered it like maybe Aliza covered it. Pet shop boys probably covered a but I love that song. It's very close to my heart. Losing my mind because I think mostly I'm losing my mind most of the time and then there's another song called Is it unusual way. Do you know unusual wave. You'll need you. You're right maybe I don't know any. Okay I'm singing. Don't cry from memory because the pussycat haven't you will catch was mechanics USA Pussy cat. I was Grit Sabella. Sabella in cats. Yes here with the aging one. Oh yes mom. She was a gray pussy color go aging and she went on grain. She sudden she sold. We are seeing memory. Yeah so I sing old people. Do they have memories. It was perfect for me. Well young was. It was amazing as in Bay in the west end it was. It was what one of my proudest moments it was. I I've you know the lives that we the life if we leave it's like it's crazy. It's like a roller coaster and I've gotten to do many things in see many things in perform many places in front of and for many people but I love the theater. It's my sanctuary. And it's there's something very sacred about it from me. I really love the thought that it's not for show. No one's filming you. No no one else would ever get to see that experience that that moment for that. Yeah and you completely can. I always say I died of myself every night on that stage because I was actually going through a A break-up of seven year relationship and no one knew and of course because I always keep everything so private and and I couldn't talk about it Because the relationship was so public so I was able to die of myself every night through my character Isabela and she gets to to be reborn again at the end. So it was like the most therapeutic Cathartic thing for me and so it really was quite a beautiful healing process for me as well and I I really loved it. I don't use the word Proud very often. Because I'm very hard myself always been a perfectionist but that I I was very proud that Andrew asked me to be a part of that in the work that I didn't do you feel like it needing Stage in that sanctuary and that escape was almost reaction to kind of being such household name. And you know I feel like you. I mean you're an international like singer superstar but then also became one of Ours Bang on ex factor and everyone kind of during you and so was that like it. Perfect tonic to that way in the Daily Mail every day. Every everything's written about you so but they do still enjoy doing X. factor and it. Does it all did it. I I don't know the chronological order. Wherever however it was like it's just different women hats? Yeah you know I mean I look at you. And I- Loki Freak out because the shut us into music oh please leash reaping my gosh I I I've played. I'm sure everybody has but this song I I discovered it late but say love me our good old. It's an x factor audition number. Isn't it but do it but it's like it's. It's one of the most brilliantly written songs at if I must I tell you the person who introduced me to your music was prince. Say Shut up shut up. No it's I what's yeah. I didn't know about you until he played you tonight. You feel sick you kidding me. I'm serious Oh will you live music. And he was very Mike. God very selective and I will always say. How do you know this music? I know he's people. He says they find me so say that's just that is honestly you. You're now relate to forgive you I forgive you that is good. Thank you Nicole. I'm speechless I I love Prince so much I wanted to make sure I have crap memory and I wanted to make sure that I'm so sorry for being late. I was traffic traffic an expert. Cows he could show up whenever he wants. But we have to wait around but I I love Simon though. He's been great help to my family this year. And so but I was in the car thinking. Wow I know this woman's work from Prince so you going to be here for Thanksgiving thing. Yes Oh my gosh American remain. Do I'm going to Simon Feminine Lawrence Couscous. Because Lauren's American she invited so that he's not beacon is he. That's what everyone says. It's why he so slim maybe maybe he is. Yeah I think he looks Graham. So you'RE GONNA go there won't be bringing in on you bring a dish you one of the people that likes to host I and you do you cook I I can cook. Will you bring a dish if I have to. I have an extremely busy week. I think we're GONNA do gift exchange so I'm going to bring fun gifts but normally normally if I weren't I'm coming straight from rehearsals and going and we'll go back to not rehearsing for the reunion of the petals Major Major Major. My old in a you'll in London for housing. You know we haven't been together ten years and when you meeting up the girls arrive tomorrow you never ship my pants why. I'm not nervous because I love being on stage more than anything. But we're performing on the finale finale and I have yes so that's next Saturday and I don't even know what we're doing and we haven't been together in ten years so you can have to do all you're going to be a medley. It's gotta be amazing to be a medley circe. Yeah and then. I think that I want to tease one one of our new songs. So he's been producing them. All people all different bullets. It's just great. It's whatever fills right. You know that's how it is. Yeah so we'd be wearing the same suit of outfits wore originally I. I think it'll be. We'll completely derail off that. But it's going to be peace CD twenty twenty right right right. So I'm still figuring this out right now as so I've got to go after this. Create the compilation for the Madley. See I mean you. Nervous about being with the Gulls again in the sense that kind of dynamics or is it just gonNa be so easy with no. We've not been together forever but those are my girls and will and also. What's so beautiful is that we've done a lot of growing up since so it's about like really if there's there's no better time to actually lift each other up and be there for one? Another I mean that's specially this time of women empowerment. I mean that's what it's all about right. If you're GonNa talk the talk then you better walk the walk so I'm excited for us to come out and see you know what we're going to be doing and our tours next year is this started. Big Reunions is amazing. You guessing together for the x factor finale coming and then that's been leaning to our Lottie Yes so that will. That will launch in kickoff The release that we're GONNA come back and do a reunion how you got together. You were kind of put together where you will dish inform the does the Jimmy Ivine can. You won't his radar as a a site. Oh autism I store how did how did work out. Truth be told a group before called Edens crush. Yeah and that that came from a show called popstars which I think you guys had here for her for that. I was in a rock band and Acoustic Rock. Band toured with FOO fighters Bush. Like I was like all black taught God is saying like what Rahkamo is well. I'm a rock singer. Oh you absolutely but I sang really like these Kelt. Take chance and I have this whistle tone of in essence. Now kind of not really. It was chantey. I was really inspired by this artist. Named Lisa Gerard from this group. Called dead can dance. Have you ever seen gladiator. Yes yeah she did the soundtrack for that. Wow okay okay yeah yeah yeah so So anyways popstars I How'd you go from being an golf bound? Then yes and so I was in a rock band and then I was looking for a solo deal and then my mom we lived in Kentucky was like Oh my gosh. They're coming They're they're looking for girl group and you should audition and I was just like mom I I used to wear all black and I was in theater hitter but now in all snow shoulder looks kind of like the angels. Yeah Molitor uh not at a guy and I sing like musical theater. You in Kentucky So as born in Hawaii and then I ended up in Kentucky because my mom that my dad was in the Army Schmidt them I think when she was in Indiana and then his family's from Kentucky so we moved to Kentucky he adopted me which is why. Have the last name Shirt Zinger okay. So so he raised me okay and he are they still in Kentucky. No so once my My Jimoh my grandma passed away then. I moved my my my family back to Hawaii and other help either. It's Hawaii is the most beautiful tried to go back sometimes times my. My sister lives in Tennessee. which is only a couple of hours from Kentucky? So I spend a Lotta time still in the south. Wait where was I. Guess I go all over the place. He's Kentucky Oh pussycat dolls you. Say No mum not additioning. Yes Okay Kyle to popstars cut to. I'm leaving work my boyfriend at the time we drive. You know six hours Costco were I was working at the land. COMB counter putting makeup on people. mm-hmm did you like it now. Always rather singing. It wasn't horrible It was nice. I like helping people and so we drove in the middle of the night and I stood in line five. Am and I are dishes. And and the reason I auditioned because they said whoever it is to be a part of this group that we're moving you to Los Angeles and putting you in house and I come from very humble beginnings there would be no way in the world. I wouldn't in how to get to La. I'd gotten everything myself. I'd gotten my own car and everything. But that was like a big thing I didn't know anyone from La Delays. So I was like let me audition and see what this opportunity brings to me and I I went to them and I said I'm shopping. My Solo deal already had my demos and everything waiting that are created in high school and in college and I earned my spot and the group Edens crush in that brought me me to La and one of the girls from edens crush was auditioning for pussycat does so. She came to stay at my house and she shoes telling me. Oh my God the biggest people Jimmy Dean and Ron Fair are putting together grow group and it's dance and singing and I'm like well that's my background. I come from musical theater this this is what I do and so I went and I called my people and I was like. How do you get into that audition? And they're like they've been auditioning for months and this is the very last week and they've Wendell build it down to like seven girls and I was like get me in the room so I go into record plant recording studios in La. They had people. You had to dress up cabarets. Not Camera grows which I never dressed in camp like closed burlesque. Yeah like I didn't own unlike anything like that because those quite reserved growing up how I done like musical theater where you wear like certain outfits costumes but I went out to Victoria. Secret's grits splurged about like top. And then I went to forever twenty one I love you. Yeah show you. Best Advisable Year Awesome Awesome Pinstripe Pants on and a white top then. I sang my song. Acapella they did you say it was an original song and it was like nobody knows a to me it was just like a real beautiful. Just singer Songwriter Song right right and they didn't even want to see me. They're like San Right there room Someone else had a massive room and they didn't let me take two steps in and their dislike saying I sang. They're like can you dance before I took my top off. I had my Victoria to receive. Yeah AH CD of this music came from my armpit fled to the thing I think it just flung into the CD player across. And I did. I did a dance to pink panther. Pink Panther Yeah like a Bob Fosse inspired dance. I'm GONNA have you watched Fussy Verdon. No I haven't it's so good Nicole I love love I love posse. It's so good show. Williams is oh. Yeah no television but I watched. I watched anything documentary that I can anything like this is like Michelle Williams and Sam Rockwell. And it's no it's honestly looks is uh-huh shrinking wine saying miss it. I thought it was like talking about all schools. Really good. It's really good. What is his prints coming? Yeah he was named after Prince because we went to see Prince. Oh Yeah we loved him. She eat something because I'm hungry and I think should get into so so want whilst mom is just the Christmas dinner which we hope. Is that you dry but we do have gravy we know ah you pretty healthy and this is a relatively healthy Christmas dinner. I'm okay. I love five grammy. I my favorite thing is a Sunday roast host. Oh free and for me. I only chicken or y'all don't do Turkey but for me. It's just about a juicy chicken it's about perfectly cooked potatoes potatoes. And like I put my swimming cap on a you get the gravy. And I put my whole babe and Saddam and just dive in swimming around the gravy. I'm serious take great. Well then this could work quite well. I love it makes me so happy to say. Oh it's so food for me. Is that the reason you keep interest. Yeah that's what was the food like in Kentucky so for Christmas. We always do the same. Fictions we do Turkey was sometimes uh-huh do Turkey and Ham honeybaked tail. What could hear the Kentucky then We do dumplings chicken and dumpling. Wha- were the dumplings. It's just like flour in like yummy leave creamy chicken sauce of sounds like nothing. I've ever happened for. It's so good. Chicken plans Broccoli and cheese casserole. It's just like Yep Broccoli. She's GonNa play yet. I know how to really serve this because the so many dishes. Should we do a few dishes all on the table. And then just you know you have Turkey. Yeah okay perfect fine great and then if you want there's a bit of nut roast that you can have not not rose. Will you probably going to have that. So I'm in town. It's not. She doesn't want itchy facing the option for vegetarian or Vegan. When they're out having a royal oh okay? Great I'll admit it's stuffing over here. Yeah Wow I've never heard of that. Nut rose that sounds fine. He'd made the John Lewis beaded place. You baubles out of ever come loves my Russell my own. Oh my Gosh Brussels sprouts with this is amazing. Oh I'm so happy right now. You don't understand how happy food makes me. Oh good I can sing. It looks like heaven okay. So you've got a bit of everything. This is one of my favorite things about this country. We don't do this in America vegetable we don't do like parsnips and turnips and stuff. We like carrots and green beans and things like that. Yeah well this is full on. It has everything I apologize in. Advance Food Coma. You're going to be in after bring it on. I love a good. I feel like you have got good table manners. I feel like you are so appreciative of what is good. Table malls exactly. Everyone has different opinions for. I don't know this principle people that gravy. No that's just an extra condiment that makes its bread sauce with cloves and milk and on Yin Yang. I'm going and bread. I'm sitting over here with swimsuit on Rada dive in so different things Eh. What good take? What does that cost not the thing? Everyone has a different opinion. I will tell you this. I think I have good table manners. I didn't grow up in a fancy upbringing. Okay so like I did have dinner last night. And there were so many utensils around the Dang plate and I was like well. which you like Julia Roberts in a as pay I was and and I was like a lot simony? I didn't think that Jesus table my walk. You don't they told me you gotta work out in and there's that one thing that's just sitting at the top the pudding. Yeah I would they do that. It's like you got you got ten courses coming. Well that's a good point action so by the way help yourself to all the bits involves. This is so exciting. Okay I find just so the niece and I do something you can just help yourself. Everyone everyone I'm going to don't don't get scared because I e r one of these things these little things in the back rights rapes. Wow this is so cool. You know what Y'all have. We don't really have an American through the mold wine. We have wine waitress it everything that is cabbage. Have you ever have this very sweet. It's delayed sweep okay. So we have Turkey with sage and Brioche stuffing from white shirts and Partners Mama's made her enforced stuffing then. We have Brussels sprouts with grapes and hazelnuts in time roasted potatoes toast roasted root veg. Red Cabbage a sweet potato. What would you call it a casserole with marshmallows gravy bread homemade breads from somewhere? So let's try to kind of put some on your plane. I'll just put it and it's really good with the with the Turkey. Oh Shit I love it because serving out right pay seventy passionate well. Happy Christmas. Happy Thanksgiving Nicole Russia's about you excited oh you even have cranberry. My Mom love members. Not everyone a potato cut you. You're like like a princess. I'm going to be more Disney films. Oh my gosh this is so good. I can't wow simple and put it in my mouth is what it is is exciting. My mouth is having a party over here guys so good. This is not good moment visit. I never doubted you but this is the best of the best Sergei Ever Have Oakland will just you say that because that's all we have is in my family. It's heaven it's really plenty. Isn't it We asking everybody in this series. We ask everybody Uber rating was go for it. Then take baby erasing it and I tell you guys. I'm really good but then I wasn't good couple of times. She likes to have a little drink. Got Dance Him but what happens after that when she likes to have a little drink and Goldensohn she must have Taco Bell so I will make my uber driver drive to tie for hours to find an open Taco Hakko Bell and then I will eat all the Taco bell and leaving the Uber. Leave like all you ordering when you're going to Taco Bell light like three in the morning the several burrito chicken maximum chicken Gordeeva chicken burrito supreme. I didn't know anything about TACO Bell. I've told like I'm saying I've just seen them. Is it your so. That's your kind of false. You love Mexican fast hangover over food. We also we haven't found out your Uber Rating. Yeah and actually the first of the series that I've decided to ask but we have been asking every guest on this series. What their Karaoke? Okay Song it's and I feel like you're going to be able to tell me immediately. Is it a musical. No what is that is a rock song. I will survive. Oh okay either that or what's up from four number one. What's going on that one so I wanna do this kind of music? ooh with a row no mouth them still such a great boy moving on their forum. Blondes Psych Appropriate Ninety S. Did you love Alanis Morissette Obsessed Best. Jackie upheld track thirteen. which was I won't know when to your house up the stairs? I noticed Hello Ali so look Mimi. Hey I just food in my mouth I love song it. It was like the fucking broken at one obsessed because you can have fixing Tony. Yes fucking right now. I want you to talk like that. Ought AH post the success of the new dolls record. I've done tons of music. I just never released it. I sing everything from like Phantom of the opera to Epstein was slash Josh on his album. Alice Cooper I just love music like you okay. So let's go back to that process where you are going your whipping your pinstripes Exon. Victoria's secret special spanned. They are at the end of their auditioning process. And then you become the they you become the lead singer like like you become the person that writes songs so then we added a do a final audition them. That's how I earned my room to do the album with Ron van. What was that like? Was it like a rising Mike. Sing off with all the girls. No like just a performance at Johnny Depp's Viper Room. What is it the viper room just like like old school? That was like the weather started the dolls. Just really old like like the history there. You know it's not really okay as like seems quite grungy. Yeah Yeah exactly. How old were you when you in the PUSSYCAT My first group. I was twenty two and then my second I think the dolls I was around My Rock nineteen touring the country nineteen and then AH popstars. I was twenty two and then the thing goes wrong. Twenty five years old in you. I have but it still feels like I'm just as hungry young than ever like I'm hungry too. Do I feel like I haven't even started a what I'm supposed to create and what I'm hearing when next after the after the reunion Indian so you forever witnessed no no. I've got I'm really excited. I've got my my stuff that I'm working on my music but I'm wanting to release it a different way. It's just more of a reflection of my life. What I've been going through more like art projects right more creative way of doing things? So I'm working on that my dream would love to do Broadway one day when the right thing uh-huh longer if I could create my own music. Are you going to bring this this musical one woman show to to the UK when come no no because it's it's going to be like a really intimate thing it'll be December eighth and ninth if you WANNA come. Wow Yard left. We absolutely. I'm so excited. Is it just you and the piano. No it's me and the piano in a band but just to be. I think I'm not sure directing quit doing it. Boulevard Theater which is a new theatre. It's never been done before but not very. Why are you doing it so small just to kind of test the waters or you're going to do it now now because I'm doing it for me? I'm doing it for the people I want to invite. I did it if I if I'm honest with the reason why I did. It is because I wanted to go out for a a few roles that they wouldn't see me for and it it shattered me and I was so pissed off and I was like you can turn me down after you've seen me and they wouldn't see me. They have a they just have. People have preconceived notions that. I want to give you a shot so I was like Lloyd's huge found. LemMe Lemme educate you. Let me educate you. It's not your fault it's my fault. I've not educated located yet. So that's what I decided now is like what I love more than anything is singing and communicating through song and telling these stories always and really connecting with people. It sounds so cliche but I love it so much to my core and so I was like what's keeping me from singing all the songs I've ever wanted to sing. Why do I have to wait years for auditions or anything? Why don't I just put together? Whatever I WANNA do in sync everything? I sing opera it. I think all types of stuff I do some bat shit crazy stuff and I just put it together on my own and found my beautiful a musical director and have abandoned. I didn't know what I was doing and got together. Some of my closest mentors and was like help me not suck so so much and we put it together so I think I guess I'm saying this is like if you really WanNa do something. Don't wait on anyone else. Do It yourself so music. I'm so grateful that's what I've been wanting to do but I've been so I was so scared and I did it. I remember p always told me whatever whatever you think prints yeah whatever you're afraid of then lean into that because that's what you're supposed to be doing and so I I did it and I was like career. God I pray. I didn't make a big mistaken. I got really positive reviews and stuff. This was like Tony Award winning so I was like okay so I'm going to bring it here and just invite a few of like I don't want it to be too big because I don't want it to be like Gaga has this this amazing show. would she do show tunes and stuff. But it's so it's about it starts to turn into something else and I wanNA started out. I I also if you start. Start to get into big theaters. Then I'm going to have to start bringing dancers and doing other things and that's not what I wanNA do right now. I want it to people to feel like they're right there. I love with with me Last Supper. And we'll we're GONNA offer pudding you can have it. We've got it so Jesse made oranges with Contro in which a quite nice and just oranges in contract with a bit of Syrup. And it's in this snazzy slide Q.. Wow Wow and we've got me a job the garment hot delicious Alicia Heston Blumenthal on poured. It looks like a cheese on a cheesecake. All my God. This is having so. I'm taking a picture. We've got some options you have been above one at all so I am Lhasa. A starter main pudding or does that and a drink of choice hit me. I love food so every aw course has to have courses with my kind of woman I was. I was at Australia's doing a show and I told my team I was eating dessert desert and it was done and I said to search should always come in courses. You sweet you a sweet person food why who gets one desert. No No I. I like it when they offer a trio at some races or medley are like so okay okay. So there's a particular killer waster that I love. I think from France so I would start out with oysters anywhere. You've had them in particular at a restaurant called me. Loesch words that region St Okay. Greek restaurant. Investors voiced overhead officers laminating That said Ah the vinegar at no grid. A good oyster doesn't need that and the push it up with your tongue. That's what I got told that when I was doing catering to me when I was younger gave no no. That's massage that up into the review math with your tongue. They were messing with you. Fool on I've never already unpleasant fasting. It's disgusting I would not like it than assaulting anyway. You would love this so then somebody leak salmon. I Love Bali Summers Belleek Song. Is this ray old Russian way of smoking Osaman. But it's in fillets on this the caviar place. Oh as you have him so we have that and then we'll have. Oh White truffle pasta. Oh yeah okay okay. I don't really know the difference of the taste. With why Batman's Oh why does way better really. Yeah why does like really fragrant. Would you like little like everything i WanNa China's GonNa Carry. So yeah you um you take it view so premiums you'll having succumbed as whatever you thought. The crest looks like a report isn't Hugh Right. Okay I'm GonNa Pallet cleanser so Subaru. We're on search. wideness is exciting. I've never I've never had this. Let's be my mom and I did it wrong so it's just orange is just like really contra mom into your recipe I like it You can't taste the booze. I can't taste. Maybe she put more on. I did put more on. It's like nice oranges. Whatever it's lovely the oranges inches are Graham? Thank you so we onto your mania on. Why Travel Boston and then a beautiful fish? I don't know if it's a tuna from Hawaii. I don't know if it's a Chilean sea bass or I don't know if it's like a Nice Mediterranean Sea of US Salt Lake. What what about and then what would you have the size of the office? It's a set of shoot Mozarrella with tomatoes apply. News good doesn't make sense. I love that and then yes then. My dessert would come in courses cheese cheese and bread and then we'll have a red velvet cake with cream cheese icing. Okay from anywhere in particular this this thing we have in La Koldo boys even oprah loves it so good so he really moist heaven just like literally early with your swim swarms on inside of then some chocolate truffles and then NAFI CPI. I understand you know pal. I think we've quite seminar thrown with why should have deserted drink all different ones. Okay you're during the White House. The wine white took away. Then the red some sherry at the dessert wine. Yeah thank you so much for coming. Cammisa isn't so big now Nicole. That's everyone gets town. Everyone gets one when your guest is all my God. Do so yet here that that can be your new dolls outfit not Canadian thank you well. We've opened a bottle of bubbly and GEICO would say Jay can throw Mickelson's away of seen it. All prints talked to Nicole Scherzinger about me. 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Completely Useless EP 48: Sangre Films

Completely Useless

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Completely Useless EP 48: Sangre Films

"I think that the invisible man would work right now. I think like the way that they've done it. Previously is always like the invisible man with somebody that was trying to help create. An you know that thing. Then he goes crazy man. Kevin Bacon on the woman was calling. Yeah that was like ten so definitely when you watch that movie. It's like super like early like like Oh Shit. I'm like yeah. I thought it was crazy. It will end with this woman. I haven't he's like a science sneaks into some girls room and hiding her and she because she's like fucking light into their. That's the whole thing. What's scary movies? They have like that. I watched them when I was six now. The best part of the the of Agana every how face leather face Texas one with Jessica. Oh yeah do those support what. She's running all see-through NJ awesome awesome. That's all the only reason why I watch him. I was scared I mean I know I have a love hate relationship like I love. I think they're interesting. I'm just a giant bitch literally won't watch them. I'm watching my is over my hands over my eyes. Oh we're watching. I did the real thing though. There is a reason I do I have eighty and most kid with. Add have heightened hearing sense. And so I know that like things in general that are high pitched noises tend to bother me. I think it's more that plus I'm scared right so calming in both of those things you know. I don't know what we're watching the trailer first horror movie. I feel like you almost walked out. I don't remember what it was like. Oh trailer them and they do scare the shit out of me. That's probably like why like nude fetishes such a thing now 'cause roof on that Racer Watch a horror movie. And then it just some weird thing like you're scared and then all of a sudden titties like this or this guy with the fucking all cut up and shit you know it's like okay. Originally horror especially backing linked fifties and stuff. Is that like everything's fine and you're like in a moment they really can be secure. But then you're not because they're going to get like that. I think just carried on throughout school. We should do the intro. Welcome to another episode of completely useless. Podcast the world on fire killing everyone. Tom. Brady's patriots anymore. Nothing makes sense. But we're here for you old. We're here for he's still great. Brett farve. Nfl. What far has nothing on fucking? Tom Brady Tom. Brady is a lot of people. Most people consider him the best quarterback history. Your beard powder. Maybe I feel very passionate about this stuff. I don't know that much but he is like Tom Brady. He's still he's he's I don't like him. I mean I've never met him personally. I don't think like we hang out. You know. I think he would annoy me. He had like a whole thing where he was like kissing his sons and Chin sump. Kobe Bryant. Nobody could kiss me on the kiss. Fuck it. Every time I go bar kissing his three guys okay during this virus scare not right now. I'm not going anywhere close but we have very special guests with us. I'm very excited to have them here. We Have Ivan. Eaten from Sunday films. Slow and I was very fortunate to work with them Like a month back that we just. We just watched a of a rough cut of it which you think which. I enjoyed the scenes. Especially the opening scenes ways. Pablo's face and stuff it was. Don't I really enjoyed it? It was great the the title the opening exactly what it was so hard to zero really flawed for that. Yeah that was awesome. What the neon colors the neon color like. It was like all right bright pink. Yeah we were dabbling. Con- yeah within the Hammer Photoshop. Because that's Edens handprint and fucking fingerprints. Now he's like Derek Tori all the way here in Prince's as a director Brennan every film. Dude that's that should be a film. Local town make sense missing finger. That's the first film right missing. Finger and song films on fucking green like Damn we just put the logo for your Shit. Fuck Fire Plan. All along Yeah that's why we when we rehearsed the first time to give them as many ideas as he could. He was full by now. We we we did. That was a really good session. Because I've been really good at every. Well it was pretty exciting though. That's for sure. Creative lovemaking knows for sure as an outsider. Granted that's not even the final still going to be like narration. A little bit of it right from the stranger as we call it gonNA release it just online. Yeah I think so. It's probably put it up on Youtube social media stuff and then just kind of try to get people to watch it. It's pretty short and there's nothing. Yeah there's a new service That's coming out of a commodity but it's like their whole thing is like the short her skull show yet name sounds familiar. It's a catchy name. I'll be services like when I saw something British people would say. Let me get a quick a quick. He always quickly. Yeah just blow to I WANNA get it does sound a little sex change in the bathroom and have a quick get to the wedding. That's what we're doing a quick query. The church bathroom right episode twenty-seven the Comic Con Coochie Coochie you is. What was that? I was listening to one of your Coochie copay central. Yes yes sounds like a Spanish. I do you actually grab it. All the way down and flees backup is kind of cool is interesting. Just pretty cool episodes episodes entertaining telling on. Thank you for listening with. No one tells us that kind of stuff so good not real friends. Talk to myself into a microphone. Put those out just like his diary around it again. How are your giant globs? That's so this is your guys. I like the project film projects our first project Yeah we will Ivan and I are the band which we also wanted plug too. Yeah he's the basis so heavy metal band kind of like thrash death metal punk style And we play music for a really long time together since like Dope Konkan novel seniors. Teenagers Man Lock Time. So we're both into film and he's getting into videography. Free wants to get into acting kind of it was kind of fate because he He brought it up to me like let's work on some projects you know you write them and we'll shoot them and I had just been heavily thinking about returning to writing scripts because I had done that. And out of Sadness that all the projects I tried that failed I kind of stopped doing it. And so when he brought it up to meals like Oh shit you don't just thinking about getting into that but yes so kind of pushed me to start doing. We already already wrote another script that we're already starting to work on. So we're just GONNA continue working on projects funny. Yeah that's dope smart. Yeah continuing to work doing more shit. There's a lot more independent stuff going on out there. You just don't know if you guys are fans and maybe not and I totally get if you're not because it's kind of trashy show but that show riverdale. That people are into now at patient of Archie Archie Commons. Look it's a cool concept a little far it's like it's on like main network. Tv or something like that. I would definitely watch Jesse. What the dog you know better channels. It's on the CW on Channel Five. I'm not a bad like I. I I've been wanting to the beginning and even the executive producer not show did a show on Netflix. The Sabrina the teenage which the wrong and even mention each other haven't had crossover episodes waiting for but they've done. If you even have like a Nancy drew show reviving these older stories and until like more dramatic and my point is that there's a this I forget what they're called but there's a group on Youtube and they did a I think it's a movie called Mystery Inc. Which is the name of the company that Scooby Doo like? Their group was called. Oh they did like a version of that and that that was independently financed through. I think they did like a indigo or indigo or go out and they financed the whole thing themselves and I thought that was really fucking cool. That they were and they're putting out a lot of content. I followed there page. They're putting out. Qna as and like they cover the old song from the movie and they did a lot of really cool shit. So it's cool to see like you guys out there doing independent Shit and getting out there. I think you guys need to go hard at this shit. What he's trying to allow. We are trying to right. And the personal working with the next film She's a very talented actor and she's done stage plays and short films eason. She's got a meaty role like I kind of wrote it for her. Oh God it's kind of like you know. I gave her some scenes to chop up. You know what do they call it? The scenery right in a way to kind of give you some some something heavy to work with you. Guys are gonNA Focus. No it's not really horror non-exclusive at all I think it's just the supernatural aspect that I really about holding the right script. Bigfoot and blue in here. I'm really going to Rice. Overbooked foot of course and frank complete leaving for the whole trip. The whole thing is awesome up heavily to butcher fucking things about different Way Crypt. It's IT cruises. Oh well yeah. I won't Crypto so I think even mentioned explain the ceiling probably study is kind of dumped me. Sometimes it's like. How can you claim to be an expert of copper longer? This big claim to be an expert. A real people call themselves doctors. You just you just make like I'm not saying you're not real but if you can prove it on you can have a whole science. Oh well that's what. It is. Apparently biology both for those by. I WANNA get like a ghost hunter in here because I don't believe that goes not zero people. Are they make up stories and like I went to a psychic show? Recently I was invited by a family member that really knew the psychic and even introducing. She's really nice and I don't believe that she's putting people on. I don't think she's trying to get their money or anything. But I'm sitting here just wanting to pay money to go to that show. Yeah they pay money. She's trying to you. Know what that means doing it for free by you know free but like I don't know I'm trying to. I'm trying to be nice because I don't I just say she's a hacker trying to fuck and say right so but no everybody in the room was solely forward about like. Did somebody know anyone that killed them? So don't go Jack Jack is are there is going to be someone in the room getting out like the People. I goes east so they won a he doesn't. They almost need into the one girl that was in the audience. She's like last time I saw you. You told me I had powers what do I do about like. She paid so she can ask a question about something. This lady made is boring. Dude I saw this. I WANNA get like a ghost hunting. I WanNa get like science. I WanNa understand the tools that you and I have seen a like a thorough explanation and then take me ghost hunting second previous. I'm not going to use. Frank is such a scaredy cat that just being there you gotta excuse if they take you like an abandoned building at three in the morning. You'RE GONNA be scared for more scared of being by myself in there so I was going to level once you once you're there and then little noise is going to be like. Oh maybe I was a ghost. His eyes and a mouth is going to run by my feet. And I'm going to scream your fucking girl tell you a little girl died actually just to trip people off of what it was like. They have like that. That machine that sends a bunch of radio frequencies out and like supposedly the ghosts can exist or their voices can right. Right Pretty Tame. I'm like how do you know that wasn't something just a signal from something else are like I don't know I don't watch those shows into that stuff but just to play devil's advocate here like as in indicas they actually hear words and Shit like that. Yeah so it sounds something like why would it sound like the same meatball or whatever I think it sounds like something like Oh die choking exactly because it's TV dude? They can do anything fucking one. Oh for sure. Yeah so I think that if I'm not getting naked men where it's like Yo- demon. It's me your boy. Actually so that would be done this one guy and there's another one with the cat which I prefer. That's just really funny. Little sunglasses cool. Have you got places in Pamona? I Dunno been trying to look like I've heard of the cemetery. Spots edens buildings probably haunted. I don't know the soul of the oldest book and building. Well I don't know about someone I know Pasadena used to have like a plantation there on the west coast. It was pretty much so rich outdo everyone that's been living there for a long time. They're racist Shit Racist Tunnel. Mexicans fucking gangs Super Pomona. I don't know the kind of weird because it goes to. That's why I feel like my apartment. Building is directly on a quarter where it splits off into a really nice historic district and I can look out my window and get stater brothers and see the shit by doing stuff in the corner. Yeah even that hotel. They renovated where they all this prostitute. Everywhere the deadly parking he was gonNA pick up driving driving and just somebody off and I wanted to stay there where I draw a little bit and it was. Oh there's a spot that just opened up and I go there and then like hookers walking towards panicked. What do you do look time? Frank is doing exactly you know. Somebody comes into your store holding their phone. You assume they're verisign aisin or you're already dead. Well frank worst damage. They're gonNA fire thirty going to fire. You told me that like six times but whatever if they come in with their phone you don't think they're going to need help with their phone there for foreign business a guy that looks like you park right next to her. What is this your first of all the people that come in my store have porn on the phone and they're really the okay forgot it closer driving their phones. It's funny 'cause generally colder women will always come in. They're really concerned about their photos. Right like they make it to a point. I need you to fix this because my photos. And that's how I know the right right because they make too much of a big thing like Oh this is going to be good. And that opened their phone and trying to fix it now. There are trying to send a an and the phone like flipped out. Because they're trying to too many things at once if you go to resolve his personal computer. That's a huge vile say. Say That's a that's a huge lawsuit joking. I'm joking Shit Joe. Nobody cares. Nobody care we don't care we don't care. What do you think you so hot that he wants to keep your photos? They do they get really simple question. Okay I have a prostitute story to dude. I had a friend who had hit me up. Who had hit me up and and It was for like Some really awesome yoga and Santa Ana. No no that's dope but I was waiting for it to start because it started like eight so I was like all right like I got there. Early is my first time and I was like I'm just GonNa go to the market and get like drink with Chia seeds in it and just kind of look around and see what Santa Anna's all about so I was just going to give I come out dude. I'm walking around the store. I go to the restroom like in the back because you know how grocery stores make you going like the warehouse area and sometimes and then I pay for my shit. I'm just like spot in looking around at the clientele to kind of get a vibe for like the overall environment people live there and the type of people that live in that area and I go out and I'm just like minding my own business walking back to the car and Fucking Honda. Civic duties like beeping at me and. I'm just like Oh my God I look back in a nominally and then it some lady like mucking over and I'm like oh I must have fucking drop something or like whatever like I was like. Sir I guess it really is a friendly place to your hit. Yosso like I'm just like confused. The curious at the same time so I'm like walking over and I see it's one of the ladies from the store and she's wearing tight dressing you can tell she had like surgery right like asks implants and probably but she was probably like in her forties fifties like hitting that age and she's like. Hey what T- name and I was like. Oh it's like what's what's up and she's like. Oh like I saw you looking at me in there and I was like. Oh Shit oh I was just glancing around but als like yeah sure like what's up and she's like Oh like you like what you see and I was like fuck and I was like I dunno here like take my number. I thought it was gonna be an interesting thing so then I get her number shooter like three or four tax. I'll look through it and see if I can find it at some point. Delete my shit. But she's like yeah. My Name's this this and this and I was like. Oh yeah like she was like. What was your favorite things? I'm just Kinda like egging her on like you know like that was pretty cool like I saw this like the body and then she's like Oh cool like we should hang out and and she's like but I charge house. I was like I'm like half you're age Ni- just I was like I was like I. Guess Hannemann's Shitty fucking things here. She's all just didn't you really should look at me way better than you. Just a random encounter. I was like this never happens. While Shit would be flattered. I would if somebody came up to you. Always gender is coming any time someone tells me. They're like tracking my fucking thank. You awesome attractive if somebody somebody thought you were prostitutes. Also it'd be like Aw. Hey how much to touch it or whatever. Yeah the whole milk products work. I don't think chicks card going around telling saying that dude on the prize. What if you lean over like fifty bucks if bucks? You're not going to let it touch. How much do you think male escorts charged? You know depending on the area of demand for older women I would assume older women. La Beverly Hills prostitutes minutes okay. You're getting a discount. All you're right. There is a total. You're so that's interesting. I don't know we should find out what we should be obsolete respect. I mean I'M GONNA lose my job outdo tuft and how much sugar old ladies I'll Fuck Spike. Like LADIES. Like in their sixties a fucking. Oh lady for the right price must be a money. Grab debt just pay. That should often like six months. Get Out of the game you know. Would you like CONOR MCGREGOR? That old? If she was like all right look in. I just fuck me now. Yeah I don't have an H. limit or no dude. It's just like you gotta look at it as like. It's just a different thing. It's not better or worse said different today and there's good and bad to both thanks to everything you know. Yeah it's a job dude. I'd say a very open person in America in ever. I don't know I I'm into the fucking talking to ask if you're so you're not living like this young girl mind like. I don't think I would mind having second somebody like forty five fifty forty five still call it but after that. I don't know I don't think I would be down. You might be. You're GONNA shoes attractive. That's the thing that's the thing that attracted if she's attractive already defining her as attractive then. I don't do cultures out. Why WOULD I ask? What if you're not a sixty five year old homes for Thanksgiving? That's she's older review. I don't fuck people that are seventy that'd be think that'd be a mind. Fuck on your because she has. She has through birth certificates from different years. Which ones they like. Super Far one is like ten years like five or six years. Wow Oh Jeez. And then she immigrated over here and so you got good a lemon like county things. I think she thinks I don't even know but it had to be at least sixty five and the very least at the very least the youngest birth certificate. It was sixty five. Yeah so she could be seventy. Momma's local no. I don't I don't mean ooh respectful. What you're talking. No Dad's fucking insane crazy. Your Dad looks like a nice guy. He does but he do. When I was in high school they wouldn't talk to like try to talk to my dad to white now. Yeah that's true. Hey it's all white now but when I was a high school here was like salt and pepper and yeah girl crazy but like any no none of my guy friends will talk to unless they were heading like already met him a few times. Got over going. We're talking about prostitutes while your dad fucking weird contrast. How did we end up process that his dad is the guy that puts the fluoride in the water control? Your mind works for the water district joked that I'm sorry but it was a joke for the conspiracy theories listener listeners. And you question. My entire life think about it because bigfoot surreal was uh oh jeez purchase. What we're talking about right now. Right guys for real or not bigfoot for sure real sure yeah. Oh Shikha Okay. Yeah. I think there's a possibility that it is an ATF. It is it's not totally flesh and blood. It's Inter dimensional. Whoever pitcher dimensional. What the fuck is the native say about? It is that they don't consider it an eight. It's human to them. It's different species That they consider them intelligent. They have respect to have their own culture and their own traditions and stuff like that. And there's like weird stories where they've made it with females and stuff like that shit's a crazy little crypto world when you get in there because then there's just like you can never really be sure that's not me. I'M NOT GONNA go fucking interview that person but I'm not GonNa try to find people that do go interview. I think it's interesting like maybe once we find out if we're we're the best places to go squashing and wants to go out there for like a whole week. Yeah Dude if you had if you had to scratch the cool shade animals. It's going to be a cool experience. So if I get good footage of a modern line maybe the answer your final. Maybe murder. Everyone the group. I don't know I think it'd be really funny. If you like. Come out of the woods like you'd be gone for like six months guys. I finally got him right here. And you Dick. I don't think so. I think we could do better dimensional. I thought this was going to be funnier sometimes. Just addictive life gets old. I appreciate it. Yeah we did poison him. Today we drove so hard on. These tells you guys if you guys haven't heard episode twenty-seven of this podcast useless You got to listen to the useless Completely he said this product castle. The completely. I'm a Dick Aqaba. I don't remember what you're used to advance calder. Take care I understand that. You need to have like a banner. Something completely useless one drink and I'm like no but you're talking about the gastritis and that kind of just brought more shit together for me from that night. 'cause PABLO got sick. I was like I guess. Practice fucked up. La Conference because he was saying. Oh Yeah you didn't wasn't stomach. Acid base crazy wasn't then with the story. Okay question I know I I was assigned. Push side quest. We'll tell you the story. Pablo was saying he was drop in that whole like other gastritis thing. We couldn't find parking and then he had an you had an eight. I guess when you go I didn't know this is a learning lesson for meals luck and science but apparently educational apparently the fact that he didn't need for so long. And then a a bunch of junky food and the rise right around Greece rice. We're in Cook Right. There were Super Greasy. Yeah and then. You're just sick. So how long were you sick like eighty entire day? Whoa I so we got there late to though we at the whole day was kind of like one time that was La comecon others but like the thing that this is. The other ones were so much smaller this year. But I'm pretty sure that's not gonNA be shit like father like the rest of the year even like when they open movie theaters and Shit against the big not for the rest of the year. At least even paranoia you gotta think like people are going to be weary and you might not get your money's worth throwing events but yeah I get it. I get it if they don't throw that whole day was just a lot of bullshit. On top of that Pablo randomly. It was like random guy news all that to stop for food and you want to at one point he say oh probably violent what. I had never gotten that bad. Yeah so I didn't know now that I've gone through that now. We knew that he had some food right now. Now again like literally drop me off for here. I'm not going committee which was the main day. He didn't get to be there on seeing all the I got to walk around a little bit. You said you missed the Zombie land. Yeah sorry Oh what's her last name Dawson? They were not that far from me. And I'm like Oh shit. That sucks up publicity. Sorry probably you fucked up. I was bummed out about that. I try not to like you know like yeah but I was the only thing that really saved it was that I had 'cause play does not Lebron. That's over like literally every five minutes. People were like my kids like like you really like a fucking ever. You remember the size on day. One he set. I don't remember what I told them but it was pretty much all right. Don't shut down right. I don't give me that fucking tone celebrity and you had the mass start. You people got up about the mask the mask those guys came up over. Those guy came up and he took a picture with you and he's like gap they post and he's like you have the mask and he's like yeah. Put It on the Dick. Aided weird because people stupid faces face there. She was there with her boyfriend and she's like Nachos like my favorite as we're taking the picture she's like. Hey can I didn't pull it and I was like all these here. Aren't they liked that time? Push it really hard. I really hard that day. Whole Shit Keep. Bucky BRINGS OUT THE MASS. Gives you like that type of Shit? Some people like that but it was crazy like but then politics also to but we're seeing those pictures walking great if you haven't had video fucking awesome and related video. That's how spending the next ten minutes at home. Do Touch himself to me. I think for surreal all right guys. So if you're having fun guys can't talk today this is. This is your first time listening Me and Pablo can barely four this podcast. So we try to make it work with no sponsors and We tried to scratch every week. So we've been playing this game called set for life. Basically if you win you win up to four thousand dollars coin so the next twenty five. I'm fucking excited. Thank you guys. Place Correct Kris parents mind for Christmas. I love it right like like a family activity. Well no we don't like sit there and scratch. That's what I thought like. You guys made night cook something good. We'll have dinner as a family. He graduated each get each get scratcher from each price dollar scratches in the US. Move up to the two dollars scratchers. Five dollars scratchers. Right you really. That's at the end. Espn thirty dollars. Scratcher each of you guys has won the climax awesome. So how would you shut up Ivan? Something what would you do with this money? If you got four thousand dollars a week a week a month for twenty five years would probably be like thousand dollars usually like four thousand dollars. This is Texas. It'd be like to it'd be like twenty five hundred twenty. Three twenty four would be covered pretty much. Just just being able. Yeah just pay my rent every month. That's just that's already a big help you know. It is a huge help. Liberate Yourself Dude Man. They just have worse. Have heavy scratching all right. Let's see anything It's one five two dollars three dollars. We've got a five dollar one once we did one time. We change scratcher sometime. I just gotTA match one. Or How's that we got any match one? Whatever the price below it is just one. Yeah did my must be my lucky day. Probably get anything dude. I don't WanNa you just gotTa much want. Yeah Antica one fifty bucks. Let me say this just much one to eleven. So right there. Yeah match any of your numbers to any of the three winning number. You might win more sometimes. You just want fifty bucks though with that for the next week fuck you pay the podcast. Got a bunch of sessions right here dude? Got Three dollars. Fuck fifty dollars. Why are we not more excited? I just want fifty bucks. I think that's pretty awesome booking one here because I asked him. How much energy bro? Come just for the scratcher. We got our professional scratcher. Who could just wait right? I T's with his three grand here right. They like make you feel. You're going to get it scratch. Tease US for To listen to music yes have spotify. Three dollars spotify spotify. Yeah okay so we're GONNA do. We're doing a new thing. Yeah the spotify play. This would everyone with suggestions from our guest. I'm so I'm really high what's happening with you. Know what I'm talking about right. Aluminium Pablo. I'm sure most of our guest music as well so we want to put together a playlist. I kind of go hand podcast. So cool you guys can find it on spotify under completely useless But we didn't add some songs not just from us from our recommendations but from you guys do so what can name if you will add to list all right do but okay. So you gotTA show on your. He wants us to see like what's your most I think. Sometimes that's what we're going to go. It's impressive that's what I was hoping our. I'm like oh I should also do. Wrecking ball is good. I like no no actually. I fell into the ramones like a day ago and I was just bump. Just show me of spotify selecting a home. I'm interested to 'cause I haven't even take a peek so ramones the last podcast on the left. I could lose his nine. Your top podcast Bush. It is in the recently played. Oh really what I wanted to see if this is really what I wanted to see if our guests joking into at least for research related to like see what are our podcast works so you pass the test test passed those okay. Cool fuck you. I don't know what this is but you've got some triborough here here. Triumphant quests talking about this jump back in so one point you were really into them. Accurate troops cramps. Who Okay. I have the bad music for bad people album original pressing against bill Burr. Here bird bones those in harmony with half of them in Vegas. I was like busy bone on by me not by my house. They live in the same area. And so we used to. He used to come down randomly containment or which one it was. But you come down to like old. Come out like hang out with them. You're gonNA shows your fucking wild if you don't have you from life. I like your pocket right now. Are you trying to hide your phone from us? Know just to see what you listen to my phone. I can tell you what I've been listening to heavily record on it's kroll mannix synth pop email. Good Yeah I like it. Yeah Yeah that's what I've been listening to that. I'll repeat like pretty heavily. Okay I've like I've been listening to follow this whole week. Fuck Yeah it's that thing Like two years ago somebody told me to listen to Loaner ISM and fucking hated it. I hated it. I thought it was just looked like they took an old beatles album and they made it a little weird you know like the sound awaits out. It was just like what if like like revolver like something like that from the Beatles. What made it today. That's what it seems like. He was trying to do shit know to me so I fucking hated it. You know but then like two days Last week I was on my friend's house smoking weed and then we got. We got really high on video. Came out and it was awesome. Fucking love to be out in. The song was good so I got into their newer shit. It's a fucking. The last album is the slow rush. Shits Mason They were they actually perform right before. Everything stopped where he performed the tour. We are just. Yeah yeah it's crazy. Everything stopped on off. Yeah I mean like everything I had tried to for the summer gone. It's been weird for people with the fucking stony China. I and I played like I don't really get time to leak. Said don't play video games like I used to play for hours and then I was playing right Denver. Dench into last night's game. Fuck it and I was like. I'll fucking platelet here as two and two hours in fucking do something like yeah. It was weird. Did you ever play a gun? No but a lot of people believe that. Yeah definitely a lot of games that I just kinda passed over. I don't know you throw up. But what was the last major title that you ended up just playing your your video game too much much too you win. Both of those prices probably got two of the same numbers high or nine. Thirty one in eleven right. You have right like you went and got thirty one. That's another fifty this show. Does it scratch. Okay this is my own is. That's crazy. Yeah that's crazy Dr the energy in this room right now. That'd be worn down. Believe you'll get some Tacos talk with that right. Faulk fucking one hundred dollars. Oh Shit I one is five dollars. Actually Bush overall six hundred dollars. Five hundred ninety nine. That's the most you could get one. It'd be like Oh no no. You'll you'll get one like. I'm not in that fucking change in Pomona on my house where it's nice you know. Where's the PUCK UPLAND MONTCLAIR? Oh this seven hundred I understand. What a good seven eleven. So there's a lot of characters there's a Lotta interesting people and I do like looking at them but not living just like you know but I'm also glad I don't live. Sister brought her boyfriend at the House the other day and we were driving by seven eleven there was like a homeless person standing outside of it and he was like you guys have homeless people. That's how much my God temecula doesn't lease the. Actually the police will pick them up and then take them to the next to drop San Diego. Just throw them all in Hemmitt. Yeah pretty much. That was hammered. Elliott buses amounts us to Pomona temecula. They and then they take them. Hemmitt Goddamn do so. They end up in San Diego by the Fordham. Bumster crazy caliber and a hundred bucks. I know it's fucking crazy talking. That is obviously really good thing that you did because with everything that's happening. Yeah I felt really shitty weird weird just the whole the whole. It just feels heavy. Paid off like the first or second. Podcast is the very first one. It was his idea to the very first one he picked me up and like war coming into it like even on our way here. We're not really clear on what even the podcast was going to be. You know like at all you hear than he He'll sales like Oh. I think we should do this well. What happened was scratching drinks and after a standing in line I was like Oh shit maybe we can play scratches like as a thing. Yeah and then. He slowly became part of the show. Yeah people people. It's awesome now. You can only go up from union right. We reset it one thousand dollars number one of Vegas podcast. Their commitment record make a video and Shit Shit three thousand dollars on COMECON video the video. We have a video one went to bring Swamy Dabble. We'RE GONNA go to Vegas and do that cocaine. I'll go to a fucking strip globe. We're geyser stripping Hawker Skate some fucking finding you gotta go. The I'll go with you. Know they'll make good conscious. And then you go up to the dude section now downstairs okay we go no it is. It's going to be convenient because we'll go to both of them exactly. Yeah Yeah we'll go to the one I could but then because we're both enjoy the women the women one either way so excited that out of the way. I've heard that the that that magic they have a new magic mike show or not new. I guess it'd be doing for a while. The Magic Mike. Show the biggest here. It's extremely aggressive. Like they go out to the movie. Yeah Chippendales only flake. Bring up magic. Mike will like tells the story right. Now you gotTa do. Start up being a male stripper. You know who was a male stripper was a the guitarist for rage from Morello. Morello was all right. I saw that he was He was a mouse. It pays money you can fucking do it and you got the body for it if I can. Why not plus. I'm sure every once in a while on the Dick. Fuck Yeah. Yeah that's pretty escorts. They'll fuck fuck it but I got. That point is probably just didn't give a fuck anymore. You know what I mean. They have to keep it hard the whole time right like I do. That's a long time. He'll take a bunch of just they get a shitty heart they get a heart attack at thirty five Level of my friends told me that apparently there was like some guy he used to work with and he got a new. I knew I knew this historic goal. I mean talking about like dig pills and steroids Batu but he was lifting and apparently heels out fucking like lifting competition days prior you lifting us in working for the all driving. Fucker was barely hitting his thirties. Thirty one and he had a fucking heart attack in his sleep he died and I was like no and he was just like probably employed to all the muscles. Just doing the fucking muscle. Drug being fat also fucks you up blunt honesty. You just want two hundred dollars off. I haven't fucking put this shit down at all around. Can't lose that going right now. Catherine is to go to the store and like you read the instructions wrong. You don't read it because I had to stand up right now to any of the three winning number any of the three this way. Winning numbers. Imagine you're winning. Masher numbers on the card to any of the winning numbers that yes. I have a question. Why one hundred bucks. So podcast. Like what fucking sparked it like. What was the initial? Can you tell? We're so fucking funny doing odd casting before I did before I got into comedy I was. That's what got me into entertainment. I was in PODCASTING BUT FOR MUSIC. I was doing one specifically promoting bands from Elliot San Diego. Okay and then I slowly started getting into comedy. And then the podcast. I was originally with ended up disbanding and throughout the years. I had like a couple of podcast. Tried starter you're trying to do. Nothing really stuck anti stop podcasting and then. I met Pablo through comedy and then we started hanging out environment and I think like after that we were both Kinda like you know. I WANNA start a podcast. But I don't really mind just due to do one want us right? I say a lot every a lot. There's a lot of local comics. Have podcast and they're all the same exact same thing. Which is which is. It's it's a comic. No one's ever heard of me and him and just interviewing other con- another comic that no one's ever heard of a just asking them questions all the time. How did you do comedy? Whose influence honesty like you look shows like hot ones or has a new show tacos. Don't follow and their. Shell is that there are yeah. They have another purpose to them. I mean I don't think containment the exact exactly and I think We try to be different. We don't try to always out comedians on. We tried to have different people on but one thing. That's the one thing about podcasts. That like what you guys are doing. It's like branching out beyond the comedy. World is the marketing aspect of that. Everyone has a cer- certain retrial. There is now I think I think I feel like there was like waves even local comedy small. Because I think before like I said that was like every That was talking about right but then we start our podcast. The now Josh Michaels. Gerardo started their podcast. And it's also really good but like there's a lot. There's a couple people now that that just started podcasts. A lot of local comics. That do have like a good idea or like they know what they're doing. It's not like it's not like the ones I was saying. You know that's cool and then I also got the chance to go to a podcast conference a couple months ago and was crazy. The amount of like niche markets. Like I saw this one podcast. That was about this guy who used to rob banks he He legit LEGIT ROB banks for like thirty years and then finally got that I was thinking like and does that even happen anymore. Like when do you think the last actual life bank robbery though early two thousand or maybe like minded town to town two thousand right? Yeah like towns also sit at the halfway directed Jeremy Renner. It was great shit But yeah I think like there's so many more outlets for men and like the money that's going into the podcast. Industry is crazy like a lot. Sony just invested something like a five hundred thousand dollars input into podcasting and they're like that's just this year next year. We're looking to double. What's the awards just like tastes? Changing people are seeking more ambler forms. Now Yeah I think just lorrimore every day. You know just like how like music people are starting to buy like actual vinyl again or something hits. Randall podcasts such different type of entertainment value than just TV. You're just and people so. Many people commute to work out and again with Radio Dying. That like like. I don't know if you guys heard this news broadcast. It's it's it's like you're part of a one sided conversation in your enjoying yes. I don't know if you guys are just laid off all their morning. Radio host being left from having been left a year ago he moved to the UK and Kevin was still taking part of like he was managing. Oh yeah that's right here too. Just today they all got laid off the text or via phone call Dale because they're part of the coordinator one's doing shows so key rock called them on fucking lay them a lot of holck like we're actually. GonNa lay you off indefinitely fired coach so it seems like they're gonNa take this opportunity to Kinda like restraint restructure. The Hold I K rock got. Go away the name and they're probably going to be a. Lotta really just like a foreign rebranding play. I play a lot of pop pop rock and then like a lot of techno techno at night. Yeah that's not bad. Though no interest rebrand ran was rock right. Yeah it's not. It's not really worth we complain. Like heavy shit for back way way back for aging was weird because like there's a huge like I don't even want to call it like I don't know what to call it. Like bands like The fright like post punk yet. The Fraser Cool Texan modern baseball. These post-punk they get no radio all popular through certain social media. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's the the scene is just so much. There's some way more like sub journalists. A lot of them are still like really making money. Oh touring I mean. Even like Hobo Johnson. That's a crazy story. Yeah ship blows up online because they were trying to get on tiny. Npr's tiny sponsor like the really did agree putting video marketing. It and now they fucking all the time. It's fucking crazy cats by the future of rock music so much. They were bands. Noah's ever heard of them but they're still successful Like make good money. Yeah you know. Make a living. I think like the Internet escape gateway to that started with the Internet. Just Kinda cool. 'cause lawyer you know whatever people are seems like they're just waking up to the fact that you're being advertised like well you are so different and personally. I always for a Futurama had that episode. Where fried dreams the commercial like in his dream I think that like something like that is so I think after this whole corona virus endemic Goes Away It's GONNA be different. A lot of things are going to be very different hopes. I like the way we get entertainment way. Way We fucking spend money you know because like the movie industry was dying people going to theater and Shit fucking now so I heard something about that. I mean controversy. Both are close. Oh yeah so. Paper thin margins appearance oldest oldest companies have like big budget movies of the needle released now and they had to push them and the streaming them when they're gonNA they're gonNA start streaming shit but it's like this is like it's going to be just a way we we take assumed is going to change. I mean it's been change but I don't think theaters are GonNa go away. Well I don't think so. I mean I think you're right about what goes left and that's GonNa be maybe narrow down. I want to go to the movies and get you out of fucking house independent to yourself into really good though. Yeah yeah so it's houses they only. They only have a few theaters but they rebranded restructured to keep up with some of the nicer theaters. All the ARC length eaters off super late right you know reclining heat in the bars and do some crazy. The other day I was at one eight years of what the Fuck my house is supposed to be like crazy building. Eighteen pipeline to a forty x movie. No what is that the? It's an interactive movie so like the seats are in clusters like enforce and so the will actually move depending on the movement of the movie. If it's like a scene where it's like fog. Fog will actually come out of the side. You rainy like two months ago now. Even now they're putting them regularly regal actually touch and that sounds like too much like. I wouldn't like that shows like most of the time I go see a movie. I'm really high. That would be. Yeah both the first time like if it was like scary movie. I heard far from home the first time I watched the conjuring. I couldn't do that if this stuff happening on home. It was one of the first scary movies that they did in her supposedly. It was pretty cool. Holi- spots but yes home. They did that in forty x and so people. That's really fun something like that. Yeah I like the chairs. Kind of move. Rock was it. That sounds interesting. And then like the fuck it has all the monsters water and fire and shit heating. That'd be realized the perfect. Yeah Universal Studios Universal. Remember the Shrek Shrek Chew. They took Shrek off Netflix. Recently I haven't seen that movie. I stop watching the office so I have a problem. Yeah do it really does feel like an addiction. Funny writing I could at least watch a new show when I stopped drinking last year. I told my wife. I'm going to start. Watching is two. Oh Shit and I just started watching it again successful at the Office. I watched stupid. Everybody was already super into it right and I had never seen. I had seen a couple of episodes here and then I thought it was funny but then like I started doing. I started doing another job where I have a lot of downtime and that could just watch it all the time right I. I'd benched the office in like a month every episode. I felt like my is. We're GONNA fucking bleed your. I'm pretty sure I lost to Iq. I was just fucking screened. Old's birthday when he gets off his trivia off his trivia. That's what I was gonNA tell you. Go to a Trivia night. That's like heavy on the office. I feel like I was. She'll do terrorist. Vague West was towels. Her three of solicitor. Jim and PAM's teapot like this. Trivia fucking One of the rounds was the office. It was the whole thing with the question. Did I got all of them? I got all of them like I didn't even think about it. I was like yeah. Do this trivia which was a house Oppong hassle. You doing the foothill. Yeah they the owners of CK cafe is a national that I love your show. I took my home. He took fucking Allen to. Ck's I mean he always goes but we ordered fucking T- together and then the lady just not give a fuck older one. Yeah she like her reading your newspaper. And then she sees us like she glances up and sees that were there. And with our T. Ready like this is the one we're getting because you'd pick your jar and she looks down at her newspaper again gets up keeps reading it for like a good twenty seconds as she's like placing it down and then of leans over she size. Yes record just like the fucking jars vibe was just like yeah fuck this. We used to live. Yeah are like writing meetings where they went to Shit Bullshit. I think we learned from that. And we're coming back guys. 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Ep 51: Kardashian Bonus Show #11: This Is 40

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Ep 51: Kardashian Bonus Show #11: This Is 40

"So entrees show, we did an entire recap of last night's episode and broke down every single detail of Courtney's fortieth birthday party. So don't worry tomorrow on our regular credentialing recap. We're gonna get into every single detail about Sunday service and Kim's comments on the whole Laurie Laughlin scandal and everything else that happened in credentialing world. This one episode. We kind of just wanted to keep a little more targeted and talk about some of the details that I know you guys are curious about. Hi, guys, I'm Emma. And I'm Julie. And we're the girls behind comments by celebs and welcome to episode eleven of our credentialing bonus show. So as you know, we've been trading this episodes partially as a recap for the Sunday night show. And then also to discuss any major events that we felt like needed really an entire episode dedicated to them so this week. We're definitely going to recap the episode because it was Bali, and it was very epic. But then we're going to take the second half probably more than the second half to talk. All things Courtney's fortieth birthday, you I'm fucking pump hobbyists. When these things happen, all we can do when we're watching the Instagram stories of her birthday, all we can think about is. How excited we are to get on here just discuss every little detail because you guys are the people that care about the tiny little details that we care about the nobody else gives a shit about quite frankly, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool that we this like a group of people that also care. So let's start with the episode recap before we do that. I wanted to say one thing, which is that we get a lot of emails in DM saying like, you know, him so shame typically of how much I care about the crash, honestly. And this gives me a place to be able to do that freely. And what I want to say to that is like don't be ashamed. We are all you can be an intelligent person. Who craves intellectually stimulating conversation and has a lot of other things going on in your life. And also just enjoy using the crash Edens as an escape from reality almost and that is what we do. And I think that like just I won't keep it in the back heads like nobody should be ashamed of this. We're all we're on it together. Rachel house beautiful. Thank you. Okay. Episode recaps. So last night they went to Bali which we've been waiting for. I mean, I have waiting for obviously same and we're going to start from start to finish. So the episode started out with khloe kind of talking about her about traveling with true for the first time, which I would understand bring a baby on a twenty four hour flight teams like a fucking nightmare. Yeah. I mean, there's not even like you think for the first time they'd go to Florida or Hawaii. Yeah. That was her first time ever on a flight or as their first real trick. I don't know. She said first time travelling. But I feel like their definition of traveling is so different than ours. That's true. When I guess also because they were going back and forth to Ohio couldn't have been their first time. Yeah. But this this big of a trip. I like a large large maybe out of the country. Yes. Yeah. No, exactly. I never go to Florida only Kim like like ever since ever since courting khloe films Lamey, take Miami. They I haven't gone back. Only Kim goes I also just said Florida because it's worth from New York. That's such like, an easy destination for us worse for them. It's maybe like Hawaii or I guess Courtney goes to Miami. Because Scott really likes it there. Yeah. Well, they have Jonathan they have Dave graffman. And they have that whole kind of circle PI their love that squad so much what it's the best. You know that when our goals one of our goals is to record a podcast on the SS group, which is Dave Grubman's boat. That's like a thing. Well, yeah, I'm aware because the other half of us. That was telling them anyway. So then they get into this whole discussion we're going to get into Bali, but I just want to frame everything else. So they get into this discussion and Kim's like can we talk about Halloween for a second. And she's like, let's talk about our outfits and Courtney's like over matching with kids. And like no like for the Graham that was fucking. We looked at each other like, wow, you know, it's like, you know, obviously that they do photo shoots and stuff solely to have content to post on their social media. But when you see the back slick the behind the scenes like it's easier to pretend that they're like doing it. And they happen to have a photo shoot for like Instagram like, it's like it like shatters the perfect image almost. Okay. So they just up for Halloween. They did a whole thing. And they happen to post pictures on Instagram like it's annoying when they're like are we going to get dressed up just to like walk in scrim change, and then go to bed like sounds good. Yeah. But as a consumer of that content. I was loving those pictures, and you think of anything worse than having to get dressed. For no reason us forget staying Julian I have to put on jeans for maybe like three hours, and we're already like this is bullshit literally unbutton what we're recording. You know? Just hateful. I mean, I I also respect the hustle like the things they do for content is fucking. Yeah. I wouldn't do it. No. Of course. I wouldn't anyway. So the whole thing is that they're going to Bali and Chris wanted to go, but because of MJ being sick, she decided not to and she's staying home with 'em Jay, which then we see kind of KENDALL and Kylie talking to Chris about how they they understand. She's been under a lot of stress, and they wanna take off some of the stress from her and take on more of a role of, you know, taking care of MJ as they should as they should and one of the funniest things about it is throughout the episode. They pan to when KENDALL and Kylie at MD's, and they're having lunch together. There at Cairo cutter kylie's having London kylie's like, yeah. You know, I broke out the Gucci plates for you guys. But then kylie's talking about how you're really getting ahead of yourself here. First of all, the all the reason I was saying and like messing up your flow, this is because last night as we were taking notes you were like, I was like do what may take them? Like, no, I do a better job. I take them in order all of a sudden we fucking episode. And it's like, oh, let me just give to the thirty seven minute. Mark of the episode because what I was thinking is what am I going to do recap all Bali and be like, but hold on. Because at this moment. This is when Kylie decided to talk to MJ. So I'm like, let's just get this stuff out of the way. And then the rest of the thing can be all Bali. Okay. Sorry for anybody that was unaware of that was happening. But I think that that's a better way to do it. But. Okay. It would just made the rest of the underwear. So they're at their lease and MJ's talking about how she had this brother that she didn't know she had. And that was kind of it was crazy. But then kylie's like, yeah. You know, I was on ancestry dot com, and I found out that I have the second. Cousin enemy Julie at the exact same time. Look each other like pitches. So lucky also almost funny about the way they said it wasn't like it was like can the we have the second. Cousin? They just kylie's. We didn't even question it until this moment. I was like, oh, I thought about it. But I'm just like, whatever. But like like literally Kendall's like, oh, who's our second get less of a shit. They were acting like Kylie had her own set of parents. But the funniest thing is that like imagine you're this girl or this guy, and you just phone call one day, and it's like highly and she's like, hey, we are actually cousins and you're just like a, mama. I fucking made it. Could you imagine? Also, it's so interesting that they discover that a second cousin because I feel like they're very close with our cousins and like second isn't that off? No, not at all gone close. My second cousins. I I would say totally. It's just an interesting little note. Okay. We are going to get into Bali now. So they start. I think the first the first dot seen about this as one of their at the airport, and the first thing I noticed was Mason's Gucci sweatshirt because God I kid is dripping in swag. We say it every single time. And I'm just warning. I will say it every time. He's so he's fucking unreal. Unreal. There's so many things I could save wasting. It's it's so fun watching and become a person. You don't you think is so much fun. It is so much fun. And it's always interesting to watch them travel because you forget like, yes. Of course, they have so much help in the luxuries and everything, but it's still an like the volume of people and the volume of kids is just stressful, regardless of how much money you have. Yeah. Like, it's I mean, literally, you could be Bill Gates and traveling with a child, especially how many under the. Age of ten. Oh my God. I could not no it's a lot. I wouldn't even wanna be on the plane with them, let alone. I know. So we see them get on the plane. And I we're like did they charter seven forty seven like it's a giant plane. They have all of first class. We then leader learned. I mean, not that we go shot the size hypothesize slash. It was what we thought. And then a lot of people were in boxing us that they think they just rented the entire first class cabin. Which is what like bought out the seats, which I think makes more sense also because you heard the flight attendant over the over the intercom and all that kind of stuff it was it was seems like a regular flight. But one that they just bought out. Yeah. Right. That's what it that's what it appears. That's what would make the most sense. Although not to like be crazy because Kim and Kanye did one time rent out an entire seven forty seven which we learned by the way is we read an article last night. And I don't wanna fully I I'm almost positive what it said that it's fifty thousand dollars an hour to rent that flight they did including it's twenty five grand just for the fuel. But it's fifty grand for. For you know, everything else. So for ten hour flight. That's that's a half a million dollars. I know everybody that just taking what what the process what I just said. It's actually interesting because I just went oh, not as expensive as I thought it was going to be really to rent a seven forty seven for yourself. No for ten hour flight. I would've expected it to be more. Honestly, really? I mean, that's according to this article again, we don't have solid confirmation. But it did break down. That's crazy that I thought that wasn't as as much as I thought it was going to be I think that it's I think that although you, and I do think we have a good gauge on this type of stuff. This is one thing where I feel like you can't even remotely try to imagine. What do I I don't know? I don't even know if it's crazy, or if it's crazy that you didn't think it was crazy. I don't know. But anybody feel free to chime in what you guys think. So the whole which we'll get into. But the entire episode kind of frames around the fact that coordination you're having issues, which has we know it's just a family of siblings. That's what happens, but I think it all started on the flight because basically. Is like to first time traveling with true, she's already forget about that. The kids are all the rest of the kids are so hyper having so much fun and kind of going crazy and quitting. He's like, you know, I'm just going to get the best sleep of my life. And you can you handle it? So close like alone with all of these kids going fucking crazy, and you can tell that's what her tension is building. You know, what's interesting that I've always known about the Kardashians. Tell me when they're dealing with the kids they act like the nannies aren't there? They loved to create this allusion that they don't have nannies like, okay. Khloe fucking taken up call of the nannies over and I can't do this anymore. You never really see the nannies on camera. I'm telling you, they love like sorry to get ahead and pull you. But like when they're at the trough factory and Kim's like, I'm alone with all the kids. It's like, okay. You're not alone alone. No, one would leave you alone alone with all of them. Yes. I know. But I think it's kind of just implied is not like they've ever said we don't have help. No. I know just I think just funny that they not. I'm not like saying that like they purposely do it. It's just funny that like they they don't like. Say okay nanny time. It. You know, what is interesting though, you would think almost the aren't enough that you would think. But I think if you watch a lot of other reality shows, for example, housewives the the help becomes an integral part of the show. Yeah. Like if you've ever watched this is the reference that not everybody's going to get. But if you ever watched don't be tardy Kim's, we'll see X show Berta their nanny is a figure of the show. Like, she is. So is face the chef, Tracy. Yeah. So all of those all those different types of people. And it's interesting with a crash, we don't see that as much we know the their assistance in their stylus, but the rest of the help, I just think it's I think it's interesting. There's probably such a storyline there to assume it's for privacy reasons for them. Of course, like, I don't think the crash into like, let's let's pretend we don't have nannies. But it's just interesting the way it's like all of a sudden like Chicago's not in the shot anymore. But no one's holding her. No, no. It is really to. It's funny. So okay. So that's kind of where Courtney and and and close fighting I think stems from so they get to the second airport. So the first flight was like literally eighteen or twenty four hour flight, and then they had a layover at an airport, and then they had a two hour flight, which is they flew private on this one. So there at the second airport and a couple of things that I want to know first of all they're calling Scott uncle, Scott, which I know is the most predictable thing ever because he's Dunkel for some reason. The hottest thing I've ever heard some reason we like hadn't heard him refer to as Scott. And I don't know we both looked at each other. And we're like, let's just pause it for a second. Just take that in. Sky. It was so hot. What is it about? I don't know. It's so interesting because there's like there's like the the two different routes where it's like uncle Scott's the hottest thing I've ever heard in my life, and then sometimes like uncle, yeah. And I'm like that's fucking. For some reason we had so much for Kenya. To be your uncle and your dad, of course, Conde has kids, but kind ease your uncle. It's so true. Also, interesting to note, not interesting, but you know, the amount of versions and at any given time in any given shot is just makes my mouth fucking water philosopher better word, it's like I the tan one the black within the green went out of left field. And I'm say non sexual things that turn you. Oh, my God non sexual things attorney on the sheer frequency of Birkin appearances in a credentialing episode gets. Yes, me going should be its own foreign absolute if it's not it now is. By the way. I could have watched the kids. The whole episode could have been the kids on the planet. I would've loved every second of it. As we always say, there's nothing that I love more than watching like Penelope north Penelope north interact is rare like is just like the best also rain now is really starting to make a name for himself. Yeah. He is. He is he started to crack his way to show business. Also, Chicago is just the cutest thing ever gorgeous. She really beautiful baby. She really is. And also, she always comes out. I don't know if you you picked up on this. But to me, she always comes out looking like, the the winner of the episode in the sense that it could be craziness happening. All right. And she's just so calm in the corner. She looking beautiful. He no. But it's not another baby could be throwing a tantrum. And she always comes in looking like the savior of the day. Yeah. Don't you feel that way the babies are pretty well behaved? I have to say I'm pretty like, calm happy. It's like, they know they're rich. Assad never cried. It's like the baby came out knowing just no. Anyway, so they go on the second plane, which is the private plane that they chartered to the last two two hours of the trip and a couple of things that I want to note, first of all this is when you really start to see Chloe, and Courtney you can tell that close frustration with Courtney is really just boiling over and Courtney's going on this whole rant about which. I would imagine she watches this in retrospect and feel so stupid for saying this. But then at the same time everybody's problems are their own and just because they're less series than other people's in that moment there still problems for. So she's talking about how I really got to have a conversation with my assistant because clearly she does a hold travel inventory. I opened my cosmetics five lip liners of the same shade. This is absurd. I can't even zip it closely. Yeah. You know? That's why I kind of do this myself. But if she's like, I don't want to do myself and close like that's totally fine. If you have an assistant, you know, you just have to tell her what you want. You just have to communicate and Courtney's like, you know, what I'm emailing her right now in majorly, look each other like stay. Somebody like fucking. I can't. It's so interesting what they choose to keep an episode and what they choose to cut out because like in an episode. We're Courtney is already being the psycho bitch. Like, you're going to also have like be like a psycho bitch assistant. It's like phrase. It's like if I was coronated big. Okay. So this whole episode plot is about what like terrible person, I essentially, and you wanna keep that one thing in that kind of push it over the edge fucking tastes. But it helps close are they each episodes where they can look like the winner here and Courtney clearly khloe looks like the rational one. Yeah. Listen, here's the thing about Courtney as she such an older sibling. She is such an oldest child that it's like unbelievable to me. You don't do that. I do get that. But as an only child, I can't I can't speak to it as much as you can tell shell tells more. She's just she's just such an oldest child. It's like if you know, you know, you know, sorry that you're on the outskirts situation is okay. That's probably why she relates to Mason so much part one of the reasons. Yeah. And he's also the oldest family. Also, I think being the oldest of of girls is really different totally because it's like such a couple of things first of all like she's never wrong like you can never tell Cornish is wrong. And also like I think that she feels so in charge because she's like as the oldest girl in the family. She had to take care of all the other ones. So I think she just like constantly has like like Superiore. Complex. Yeah. Potentially. Also, the entire like just this could be noted throughout the entire with Saint is hint Tschumi to me, I'm going to. I know the bold statement. I think Saint is the cutest baby on Instagram. I think sane is the cutest like kid in the realm of any sort of celebrity or non celebrity kids that I have seen in recent years his face on Instagram. Yeah. I mean Kaya is close second. Obviously. Luna. I mean, there's a lot of them were b but Saint Charles Saint takes the cake the cake when he when Kim picks him up, and he can't handle it. I literally can't handle it. I freak out every now every time I see him. It was like the first time I've ever seen him. Yeah. You're celebrate. You're so right. It's like they just posted his birth picture using it so true. Don't wait for another. Boy. Are you kidding? I can't I can't. I can't. I can't. Okay. So they get to Bali now. And we're personally I'm thrilled to get off that plane. I don't know about you again. I love having all the kids in one confined space. I keep track of all of them. I'm like their state, and there's north and Fennell and Masons over there. And I know where you all are in one little little area. I while I was getting like as a getting me off of this plane. I just wanna see about couldn't imagine how they were feeling because I was already feeling like flavorings from being there too long. I haven't played it. It's fucking ridiculous. But no, you get it for watching the Kardashians. Literally, fucking quit. Yeah. We one day. We will tell you guys some stories about being on a flight together. It is it is hands down tug us having a fucking reality show that could be me. My dad, Julie and Israel in the L A X airport. There is nothing like it. Nothing like it first of all or me. And my dad are all tripping on edibles, Julie is taking so much medication to be able to like calm herself because of her severe flooding Zaidi. So is. Take it out of all I thought you were cool like I don't want to right now. It's so funny. Okay. So they get to Bali again, we're we're thrilled and kind of starts out by khloe stressed out. Because true stuff isn't in her room. And she's getting a little exotic. I also want to note that they start to unpack Mason starts. I mean, Scott starts unpack Mason and he's like maze. Like, you unpack your like Ted. And may scoop goes I'm mature as ten, but I'm not ten. Yeah. Macy's incredible Scott sense of humor. It's so true. It's so fun to watch. It's so fun. Another thing. I want to note is aside from the fact that the house was unbelievably gorgeous. And of course, they get there. And there's ridiculous spreads set out. They have essentially water wherever they go. I don't think I've ever seen khloe without an essential water in her hand is essentially even that good personally. I love it more than the big three phone spring. Boss. What's the third smart outsmart I acquaint smart in the center that personally, I guess, it's because the electrolytes. Yeah. Maybe and maybe that's why they drink because I work out so much or maybe they have a deal with them that we don't know about. But well, you know, it they could because it used to be solely Fiji. And then we switch. But he's obviously think they started were like Fiji's fucking disgusting. Yeah. No, essentially, delicious. But of course, it made a belly. Anyway. So again, the whole as we said the whole episode is is framed around khloe in Courtney's kind of disagreements, and we see this a lot when you know, I think chloe's frustration was the fact of like she's just complaining about her different things. So whether she's pissed about the fact that truce room isn't ready or she's talking about how you know. She she's upset that the KENDALL highly had to delay the Instagram photo shoot for a day, and that meant that she was going to have one day lesson. Cleveland? She's like what's interesting is already on a NBA schedule. I barely get to see him. This is one day later. I don't want to have to fly. I don't want to have to delay. All. That just for fucking picture for Instagram the exact moment, their relationship broke down. I was like. It was like, you know, she's not going to be in Cleveland as my one chance. And then it was like it was fucking over from there. It's all. That Tristan to stay loyal. Like crack this code fucking did know, and so she's talking about and chording just like not giving her anything. And and she's like, I'm sorry. Like, listen. You're a mother if you don't want to just say, you don't want to do it. And she's like close can you just empathize with me for like half a second. I listened to your bullshit complaining about your lip liners. Can't you just understand this and she's like coins? Like, I just feel like you're attacking me about it and close I'm not attacking. I'm kind of just venting to me forgetting with that specific circumstance. I totally understood chloe's frustration in the sense of like, sometimes you just want to vent to someone and have them be like, you know, what you're right that fucking sucks and Courtney was not giving it to her. She was like, yeah. Just stay positive to stay positive. And she's like, can you just say, this sucks with me? Yeah. I totally got you know, that or like when somebody is trying to help, and it's like don't I don't need your help. That's not the point of me telling you it. I just want you to listen, and listen, and then like say a couple of curse words to get hyped up. And then we'll be done with it. So anyway, you know, they're there there it was it was really cute. They started going, you know. Kim took the kids to like the chocolate factory, which like you said. Like alone with the kids the job of actor and the rest of them go. I don't even know what the right word is it like dune bugging or something ATV TV, maybe. But it was so cute because Mason Mason went with them. And Scott was like, you know, it's so fun that Masons older now, we can do all these things together and that made me so happy. So sweet it was really sweet if Kim was actually alone those kids in the chocolate factory would have played out exactly like willy Wonka like one by one. They would have just disappeared. Absolutely. Imagine that. No, my worst nightmare literally may worst. There literally have no one here that says I hate when clothing according fight. I just hated it's come on. You guys are better than this. The owners. I hate is. Because I think it's an unnecessary plotline. I don't hate that. They're not getting along just hate that. Like that they say that they have to throw this plotline until like entertain us from below like fully Blake plenty entertained without the fight. No, totally any, of course, than they end up going. And he's like, well, as you know, it wouldn't be a crash invocation without a yacht. Usually look each other like ain't that the damn truth early age that dentures, and it is just gorgeous something that is so hilarious that we have to note is that we posted a clapback a while ago of Courtney in a bikini on a yacht in Bali and someone commented like who took the picture, and she was like my kid, and she was getting shit for it. And we saw in the episode Mason taking that exact picture for. And that was a moment for us. It was like the coolest behind the it was that was really some. Well. Really, really quote, and you don't even know the you're about to have to clap act for about this and like. So he saw that one. I always love on Kim's adventure. She was like jumping off the bone shit. Which for me? I don't know. There's something about Kim when she shows a little bit of wild side that I'd just get excited about. Yeah. I get that. I don't know about you. But I can't see him around waters was heavily ocean. And not think that her seventy five thousand dollars a year. And it's just gonna fall out. Of course, every time I just see Kris Humphries in my head. And I'd like for have PTSD he had like when she jumped off the pirate ship. I was Chris don't push. Exactly, that's what I felt. Really wrote can't see him in water and nothing of against it. It's so true Scott on that boat was another level Scott on that boat. Only God first of all did you ever think? There would be a time where you would see Scott on a yacht. And all his only priority is finding pirate. Like treasure hunt for those kids know, he was so funny. The whole episode of come a long way from him in con with Bella Bella Thorne. She's just like so different. And so good. It's like it's even those tiny things like before he was I think Scott was always good, dad. Like, I think we'd give them a hard time saying that like he wasn't to go on all of a sudden he's being a that. He was always a good. He always loved the kids. But this is like another level. This is like him taking the time. Like, I don't need to sit down on this, and relax and like bathing the son like I'm going to take not only my kids, but north and say we're going to do a whole pirate ship adventure. And like make it such a thing for them. No, it's social he he he really was the whole. And none of the other ones were doing that. No, Scott was taking it upon himself. The entire episode. We saw them like they go back, and they're all looking for treasure. And then they want do a time capsule. And Scott's just like sitting there with only got I lost it with Penelope and Mason, and they're doing this time capsule a minute everything was his idea. Like he wanted to do it for them. Like, it wasn't like something was like Scott, go take them. And do this Scott go do this. It was like he was like, you're all these ideas. I have that. I want to do with the kids when Penelope says, daddy, I my heart. Just drops I Har I just in like, this is the most cutest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah. You know, what Scott being obsessed with finding treasure reminded me of what I don't. I don't think you're gonna get this but him like being so obsessed like finding money, and like whatever was so reminiscent of one Kim got that free yoga membership. And he was like oh thank God. We never would have been able to afford it. Otherwise, like, he was this whole session with finding treasure. And he's like go home the trees like literally in the chase Bank in your town. Literally wearing treasure on your wrists. More than you could ever buy literally go to Calabasas, Blake Bank town Bank, and it's like fucking every that you could ever want is right there in your safety deposit box watches it. They probably came to volley with him worth more than they could find it. So true. That is so funny. He's like get to work Mason like we. We. Switch your digging. For coin we gotta eat. That's fucking funny. Anyway, other thing other notable things they they released the turtles. It's just it's just so special. I don't know this whole episode. We were just like, wow, they're in this beautiful setting. They're having the time of their lives. Scott is the best that ever coordinates. Scott are co-parenting like the motherfucking bosses. They are. Yeah. It was unbelievable. It was just unbelievable. I mean, there was really just a great a great thing. We this was so funny. So. So Scott, they do this whole this whole time capsule box. And they put it in scotch like, you know. You know, I felt this'll be really good way to kind of just do something fun with the kids, and we're going to put it in. We're gonna put it in the sand. And hopefully, someone will come back, and it enjoy looks when she goes grab your passwords or going. It was like if I didn't get that. Like Chia pet rock. I'm not gonna make it. I need I need to uncover. I need to read the whole letter that base in wrote they say a little prayer over the bucks. I was. I pledge allegiance to this blog. Fun. We were living for it. I was gonna kill anybody has ever done a time capsule and not pledge allegiance to it. I was so the north you guys have been doing it wrong. So there was that. Anyway, a also the co-parenting reference the khloe made at the end when she was taking a picture of Courtney, and Scott, we saw that picture on Instagram. So again, that's another thing. Like, the whole one thing. I love bucket acting as I said, it's like always saying the behind the scenes, and we see that a lot needs to be conscious gift to know what you're looking for. No, I do know something I liked that. They've started to do is like when they do the Snapchat real in the middle of like episodes, or it's like, they're they're transitioning scenes, and they'll like show all the Snapchat said, it's like, I I know that stop something really funny about when they were taking that picture is Scott was like Scott, the picture of khloe, and then took the picture of Scott, and Scott, and according to take one immune, Scott and Chloe may look a little comment about it was like I was like, oh, you guys, and then courting was like Aubrey. That was funny. She couldn't give them the satisfaction of just being over here. So funny reigns. The best prop ever to pictures. Best the best. He is say what you want about the other kids. They're all fucking doorbell. Rina's the most photogenic. Yes. Yes. True. True. Anyway, so. This kid's names are getting confusing shit. They still might one of my favorite lines ever. We were talking about north. And I was like, yes, she's I wonder like is this Fisher company. Yeah. I was just thinking like a really hilarious SNL skit would be like north driving for the first time. And it's like go north west. And it's like, what do you? I only say this Chanel because now I want to do it. Also can someone make a side by side of court of Scott on on the with Bella? And then on the with Mason, and we can just like that's that is the picture of his Lucien. I want to make a side by side of Scott on the boat with you with fella and Scott on the boat with the kids. Thank you. Okay. A couple of other things anyway to end the Bali part of it, basically, Courtney and Chloe have this whole talk on the beach, and they need to be more acceptive to each other and their feelings and all that kind of stuff and they solve it which we all knew that they were going to do. But it was still nice to see. But a couple of other non Bali moment that I just quickly want to touch on number one. When KENDALL and Kylie and Chris are having the lunch and kennels like, yeah. I was at a two thousand five of us made. It was so fun. Like that was fucking Drake's birthday, the funniest thing was Chris also going like, it's it's still the two thousand and so she just did not get it. She was like, how do you have a party that's already happened? She's like, so you just had a party. It was funny. Also when Chris saying how she's like do you like my new areas Corey got them for me in Catholic. It's unbelievable. We have such similar tastes. I was about to buy them with pink diamonds, and I'm like Corey you did well, my friend. Cory is the most underrated player in this whole underrated beyond. Underrated. I really love him. Yeah. He left and is great. And so do the kids. Yeah. Other notable moments obviously them all you know, with north face timing, Connie, which we just always say I want to say about it. Daddy, daddy. It was a good episode. Again, nothing crazy happened. We kind of saw exaggerated fighting which we expect. But, you know, something it doesn't matter. How exaggerated is or how pointless of pot limit is because we're going to watch. Anyway. So you know, what's interesting about the Kardashians. Like the way they do the show is I feel like they think that we need drama point in every episode like something destroyed Matic have. And like, I don't I would be happy seeing them having literally only good times and happiness and like fun in Bali. It's so we should talk to them. What about that? Yeah. I think they genuinely like they need the drama. We have to throw something into like throw a wrench in the Mexican. I don't because without it. We don't want to see you is by ninety nine percent of reality shows do need that like they need some sort of conflict. You always hear even like look at Bravo. Like, you never going to have a good real housewives even season of everything is just Coon by the whole time. But with Kardashians literally, they could be praising each other all day long, and you could just show their closets, and I would be like the special I've ever watched yet. But also court actions Dave enough with outside people that we don't need to have conflict within the family. That's how I. I feel. No, I completely agree. Okay. Let us move on. I think that that is all for the for the rehab. Would you agree? Yeah. Wasn't. There was some other things. But nothing crazy notable. Okay. We're now going to transition to talking all things Courtney's fortieth birthday. 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Agains offers valid for one time use only in expires on July tenth of this year. Okay. And now we will get back to the. Show. You're not gonna get into all things Courtney's fortieth birthday. We have been dying to talk to you about this. So I'm very excited to do. So first of all, she just looks unbelievable. That's a whole other thing. But this hour gonna do this. We'll talk about the aesthetics of the party and everything. But I think that one thing that people really curious about because this was kind of a smaller event, we got to really see like who were the key players invited and people had a lot of questions. So we thought that we would break down like the main guest. Of course, there were a million people that we don't know. But just the ones that you saw those photos pictures and kind of explain who they are in and this and that and just talk about any other details that we really wanted to. So starting off it was at her house, which according has the most epic house for parties. I think yes, with the exception. Obviously, Chris always does her Christmas Eve party with the exception of last year Kim had it at her house. And you know, Kylie has a stunning house. They all do, but Courtney's backyards. Specifically is just stunning as you know, khloe had truce birthday there. It's it's an a magnificent backdrop, and I think it's. The perfect house. It's the perfect house. So that's where they had it, which is is different for them. They they don't always have parties at the house for birthdays, you see them. It's usually it's usually not. Yeah. You know, many ways, of course, planet who as you know, just a godsend and one of the first thing that we saw was like the the fireworks or like the pyrotechnics. I feel like it's a good way to say the sparklers. Yeah. The sparklers of the entrance of of them walking in so beautiful. So magnificent the house just look they have this thing where they always have these string lights that hang kind of in the background of everything which is makes the whole event feels so much more. Glamorous something I loved about. This was like it was just classy like it was just like sometimes they do parties. And like, I totally get it which like show over the top and so th-they, and then like I feel like depending on each person. It's it's so procreate before Courtney's forty. It was just classy and like black and elegant gorgeous. It was it was just gorgeous. Let's get into some of the details actually before we get into the guest list. So as you know, it was at the house. Also, they had they had custom bottles of Don Julio. Leo with that said like most interesting to look at which as you know, the famous quote from the credentialing episode, although I wanted to like make everybody who feels crazy about this feel a little more seen. Yes. The actual quote in the episode was least exciting to look at. But for some reason overtime, it's transitioned into least interesting to look at which is so weird to major so weird. I maybe they've sit said it so much that it kind of just took it on a new thing. But that was a famous quote from that episode with Kim in court against this huge fight and Kim's like, yeah. Well, you're the least exciting to look at they. So as a legal plan that they had bottles that said it was her face. And it said like most interesting to look at what I feel like happened was chemists. Like, I wish I said interesting to look at it set of exciting like that would have been a better. And they were like, oh, we'll just change it it. They pull the Trump where he just like says something and all of a sudden, it's like the new thing even though he already previously said something else. Yeah. Exactly. It's like, it means the same thing. It's just like it was just it was just weird. Yeah. Also, they had the cake was like insane. It was it was Courtney like basically naked sitting on the bathtub with the. Oh my God. It was really. Yeah. And Kim's taking the photo the video rains like show the budget show them like it was such a little boy thing to do. It was so funny. Listen, it's always a big deal when they don't have their white Hanson's cake. You know, exactly what I'm talking about a typical into this. They went a little bit off the rails here. Getting getting more creative. It was so much fun. They also had like there was no detail spared, which now anything ever as with anything crashing. But they have the napkins that said Kim, there are people that are dying which is also least interesting to look at on the napkin. Yeah, they really just did it up. Also, they had the cookies with Courtney's face. The one that after that one episode where she had novacaine and like half of first face was completely like fucked up, and they have the cookies of it. Which again, just to me, I love when there are these very funny funny moments from the episodes that they can then not only did they laugh on laugh about they make into something even more conic. You know, what's so interesting. About the fact that they did that like we see it as like accordion this episode like it's still just her life. You know, like, it's so funny. I never think about it. Like like when I was seeing all the things that was like, it's so interesting that kind of made it like an episode theme. But it wasn't it episode theme was just notable things that she's done in her life that we're like icon. They just happened to be filmed and in episodes. Did you think that too? I didn't think that until you just said it, and that a lot of people other people did neither. And then as you said it, they're like, yeah. That's so true. Classic Mason things that make people have important realization. No. When we say certain things that I like, I'm like, oh, that's a good point. I'm always imagining with the girl in her car driving. She had a long day at work. She's on her. She's on the way back, and you say something she's like, you know, what damn straight. Also, as you know, any credentials event is not complete without an unbelievable photo booth. What we say they keep getting better every single time. This one to me was the most similar to John legend's fortieth and the photo booth that they had with the poker table. This is the same. It was the same type of I've. Yeah. Just like a bigger area bigger area. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. I think that's something really cool about being a guest at one of these is that like, you know, it's it's always one just being against their forget about it. But it's always cool when you go to an event, and there's like a cool gift or this or that. But and yes, there's always a photographer, but being able to leave with like sick Instagram is in two thousand nineteen and one is the better the best gift a sick Instagram, and a UC inspired birthday shirt for what else could you want early? What else could you want? Nobody. It's so funny. It's not only are we gonna photograph. You were also going to take it in a photo booth. That makes you look automatically faced. You'd like it's the fucking dream is like I don't have to edit my own photo. Are you kidding? Oh my God. Still at it. Again. No way. A little face on just all in good fun. Yeah. It's for good measure for good measure. But anyway, so that was like some of the major details. It was just stunning. We should talk with our office. I think also Courtney was in this. Like half see-through half, like sheer half black almost leathery kind of long dress. Very revealing. But I thought it was stunning very stunning and like revealing class. So according told vibe posse Kim was in for Saatchi, which she then I felt this was really interesting. You know, what I'm gonna say she posted a picture of her look, and then she posted a picture of the runway inspiration did a story. And she was like from now on I'm gonna always post, my, well, you know, what that comes from DiPoto and fashion ova. Well, I was going to say from the camel like. Either. Yeah. But either way like diet prouder probably did a feature on that. Right. Just for anybody. Confused, what we're talking about die Prada is this account. It's die underscore abroad. I think and basically what they do is they call out very bluntly, call out celebrities designers or really anybody in the fashion world for seemingly ripping off a previous designers idea. And it happens a lot, and it's can get really nasty. And with Kim. She has basically made a point to say like, listen, I'm the first one to say that I've drawn inspiration from from someone else. So when she posted this outfit, and she wrote for Saatchi, she then posted the picture of the inspiration that she got it from which was the runway like a while ago. Right, which I think is a smart thing to do one because it kind of covers earner tracks. It's like nobody can call me out for stealing inspiration from here when I'm the one saying number one, right, right? And number two, it just like legitimizes her in the fashion world, I think so she did that, you know, Kyle using this really cool like to peace thing. They all they all looked great khloe which. Literally, so many of you asked us about Chloe was in the sparkley long long sleeved dress with a headpiece and everybody's like wait a second. Did she just re wear something because you never see the crashes rewiring things everybody. That's the thing when you have so many close by everwhere. Right. And so what everybody thought she did was that they thought she reward the same outfit that she wore to Chris's iconic sixtieth, great Gatsby themed birthday party. We obviously did a side by side. Because the fuck else would we do, and it's not the exact same outfit. But it might as well put it might as well. But it's very similar as you know, she also talked about diet product got so much for like copying Rana, which I don't I hate this whole narrative because it's like I think that they would be the first ones to say yet. Rhonda looked so fucking sick. I wanted to try it, right? I don't think it was taken away from you on. I totally agree. What I will say is. I think Riano whereas things differently than the car. Dash do like riana style is like a little more experimental than the Kardashians. So that when Chloe does something like this. It makes sense that people like you're ripping off Riyan like that's one of the most iconic looks the other thing, I'll say about chloe's outfit is like, yeah. It was very similar to hurt other one. But it's like you wore that because it was a Gatsby themed party. Why are you wearing a similar outfit to a non themed party? Don't you agree? I personally don't agree. But, but if what I'm saying is if you got a specific outfit to look like it's in a nineteen twenties Gatsby themed party to then. We're almost the exact same outfit. That was for address party to a non dress a party. Don't you think that's a little off like Nobis? I totally get what you're saying. And I'm sure a lot of people agree with you. I just feel like she was probably won't like crave that vibe. It was like, you know, what I can. I can still kind of make it work. Like, I wanna look super glamorous. I can still make it work. That's what I feel like went through her head. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not one honest to God. I'm like, listen. We're no saints. Like by any means. And yes, we definitely make an effort to speak, positively. But we're the first to like just like anybody else, we talk show, like whatever. But I personally really never like I feel like he'd never really criticized people's fashion because I can't imagine what it's like for them having to dress up constantly. It is my worst nightmare having to always be dressed up. So to me, I'm always like, you know, you like you got yourself there that to me I have nothing to say it's half the battle like no, I feel like it wasn't as much of it wasn't meant to be a critique it was just an interesting that she would choose to wear similar events to two very different party. No at it is a thousand percent. I'm just saying for me. I wear a block laser to literally everything I'm though millionaire with your the last one to be able to speak on that in the slightest. But anyway, notable things also we're gonna okay, let's get into the guests. And then some other things I know you guys want us to talk about so. So so fan Scott were there together, which shouldn't be surprised they've been in Finland like they've been travelling the world. Basically like, they already spent Courtney's the first part of court use fortieth birthday in Finland together with the kids. It would have been weird if they would've been weirder. If they weren't there together. Of course, the sparks the whole that conversation of like, so what do you think? Like, Scott Sophie in it for the long haul. I stand true in my previous statement that I still reserve hope for accordion, Scott reengaging in a mutually beneficial and healthy, non toxic relationship. So for that sake. I'm gonna say no could you read the pregnancies that I wrote with that. No, oh jewelry. Do you? See Sophian Scott ending up together in the long run prints. These taking Courtney out of the equations, let's say they Courtney exist. Exist doesn't exist. Do you see so FIA and Scott as a separate entity ending up together? It's so hard to say because she is so young. Yeah. I think they have a really healthy relationship. I think it was really nice that they had a friendship. I, and I think that their lifestyles are very compatible. But I think it's so hard to say because of how young she is in this in this hypothetical scenario with Scott adad. Yeah. I'm not saying the Courtney doesn't exist. I'm just taking like say take out the possibility of the mo- ever getting back together ever ever getting back together. I don't know. I I still think she's too young. I don't know flying a little would allow it. I know classical also interesting to note, so Eunice was there, which as you know, Eunice was Courtney's kind of like on and off again fling. And last week. We actually forgot to talk about this, which I'm happy. We did we can talk about it today was she he commented on her picture saying like looking good Minnie mouse. And she responded like thanks Mickey or something like that. And we say, okay, we saw the flirtation there. And then he was at this party. And we're like, okay what's going on? I I truthfully. Don't know anything more than you know. Apparently, according to a source that we read they've been talking little and they're on good terms. And the Courtney wanted him to be there again, like totally unsure what that means. Julie wrote an interesting note, which said I feel like Courtney's not want to confuse the kids like that. If they weren't back together in. Interesting point, unless she was just like, you know, what I want to have this guy as a friend in my life, and he's going to be stable. So I'm happy to bring around the kids it, it's if the kids were a little older, I could understand that like for Mason. It's like, he's just our friend. Don't worry. He's taking out the family. I think it's really hard for rain, and Pell pita have somebody in their life, and then not have them in their life. And then all of a sudden they're back, and they're not germ what capacity, and I I I just feel like Courtney wouldn't confuse the kids like that. I based on that based on the photo booth picture that they took were his arm like his arm is on her shoulder, and it's like a intimate photo of them and Simon Hawke in like, it just I I have a feeling that they're either back together or they're headed in that direction. I completely agree. I think that it's possible. Interesting to note, French Montana was also there who as you know, is one of chloe's Xs, and he is a friend of the family. He's always remained very very close with them. One thing that we got a lot of inboxes about is that there was a video that. I forget who snap story. It was on. I think it was Kim's, and it was co KENDALL laying on the couch and French like sitting next door with his like arm on her leg, very close. And people were just like this is so disrespectful to khloe Keshi not been through enough, especially after this Jordan scandal like. To me. It's kind of like, I just think that this family in general has doesn't really have a lot of boundaries in terms of like significant injuries. And I don't mean that negatively like I think it's just like how they interact like by no means was French is arm being on KENDALL, in my opinion. Like at the not for a split second where they thinking that was disrespectful choline. I don't even think she interpreted like that. It's like what it's like when like Scott and khloe hang out and like close like changing and her dress like her closet and getting ready to go out like a they just don't have boundary. Yeah. And I think that's just how that family operates. People are asking us. What do you think that him in khloe, whatever get back together? Do I think it's a possibility? Absolutely anything's possible. Yeah. I like him. I always loved French. I've always liked French. She's always I don't think he's ever really done wrong. But it's really my first reaction trust. And she was like, Brentwood and a full. I know it's true. Also, Robin Thicke was there, which as you know, he performed he's been at a lot of credentialing events. He always sings and. Interesting. So there was a video in again. I think it was the back of Kim Snapchat. Ken's NAFTA, really got a lot of people trouble. Yeah. Seriously of him and Chloe hugging like they looked kind of touchy feely, which of course, the tabloids were going around with that and one fan account like posted a video of it was like this because this sparked flirtation between Robin Thicke and Chloe and his fiancee, April of Gary commented Istan, which we then posted which made headlines everywhere. Funny interaction. It's funny that she kind of like plays into it. Like that. Don't you think? Oh, my God hilarious. It's like it's nice to see somebody be such a good sport about things, especially somebody that like probably doesn't have the exact same relationship. That Robin has what the family totally truly rates quavo. Nothing. Notable was just happily surprised to see minute -tendance. I really was. I didn't know that. He was so nice to see him there. Don't you Travis? There were like okay Travis. You invite who you want? He was like he was like Cueva. According to her. Travis is the only one that. I've no I'm Connie that. I know is like good friends with him. I've never seen. Well. Yeah. Well, Travis and offset are really good friends. And I soon that extends to quavo. But, you know, of course, offsets busies the baby there in Atlanta. So it's like what's the next best thing? Of course. Of course, the one that I want to talk about the most in million people asked us. So there's a guy his name is your boy, I don't know if it's fair five for purposes of someone say, it's your boy FAA that's his handle. And he basically he looks exactly like Eunice. I think the scary scary. Like, he's always the guy. That's in the background of all of their insurrection is always the one that some person who is a new crash Ian fan who isn't as investors we are sensitive. So it was like oh my God. Is this one of their new hookups and every time we're like, no, he's literally just a good friend that goes everywhere with them. And he happened to be incredibly good looking. Let's just give you a little background because we read up on exactly who we he who he was. Because to be honest. We didn't really understand we knew that he was platonic, but we didn't really know the background. So here he is he. He is the brother of semi Hayes, which as you know, they're the the identical twin duo, they're deejays, and they also at the party there. You've definitely seen them on Instagram. Look it up SIM, I h h z either two different people. But they're they have one handle. That's they're the ones like the hair bother very close to gend. They're very close the family. I'm sure you know him. So that's their brother, and he's twenty seven years old. He's a model and singer. He's very much in the whole like KENDALL. Hailey Bella g g crew that two Courtney was talking to about unison and the episode there in Palm Springs, and they're sitting in the pool, and it's just the two of them and like chloe's upset that she's like fixated on the break-up that she's talked to that. Everybody was like is that Eunice? Yeah. Truly race Emma has new obsession with him. I think just because he looks like you just, but there could be more to it. There's there's not more than I don't have an obsession. It's just that. I I like honest to God. I, you know, how hard we go for the crashes, we know everything that one person, you know, and say, we're not doing. Julian are like the Kurdish, you know, like we've seen this guy. We talked about we see him in every the background and everything and I didn't even know enough about him. So I wanted to research I had no idea that he was the brother of that. Maybe everybody else knew that. I had absolutely no idea except article on him. It was like research four podcast on Monday. It's like you would think that you were saying like a fucking New York Times L, meet your boy five. So that's who he is. And no to our knowledge he is not hooking up with anyone. I also just want to note that Lucas about was there. You know, cook. Julia rates, I wouldn't consider him one of Courtney's Xs. But do with that information as you will. I don't I wouldn't either as you guys know there were those rumors of them hooking up. He's like one of the typical there's like a whole group of people that hang out in the credentialing circle there like the Harry Hudson's the Lucas that are just friends and I just roll squad. I don't really understand how the connection originated fully like I do. But with Harry, I understand it was more of a child with Google kinda just came into the mix, and it's just like friends with everyone. But I don't I don't believe that him. According to Rex is. I really don't I think maybe they have a hookup one night. But I know means, but he was there again, of course, Paris Hilton was there again, not a surprise. She was there. She just amazing and wouldn't take off sunglasses with one lens. Yes. She was loving the one line. So gosh, I literally I think it's a new thing that you've always had this appreciation for personal and I've always loved her to. But recently, I'm like fucking parasail. And is a national treasure. We must protect her at all. She's so much fun. Yeah. She she is she is literally so much every single time you see her in one of Kim selfie videos. It's like the first time she's ever appeared in one of himself. He's she's so excited. She's dancing. She's like you'll so forget this woman is like thirty seven or something that she. Jeez. And it'd be is still yet fucking goals yet gold. She's amazing. She really is SIA was also there, and it was we got so many boxes like the crash just expose her. Like are we allowed to see her face? I don't know. But I feel like she must have agreed to that. I was like watching it. And I was like oh my God seals face not supposed to do them looked away. It was like I was like oh my God. I would never. Violated her privacy like this like it wasn't by fall. No. I know. That's so funny. And also my thing was like, oh my God. Sees how the fuck did. You know, what see if we've never seen her face you soon. Literally. I was like who is it. I have no idea everyone like it's how do you not know this cut not know that because I had no idea what she looks like up until this very moment right now. So obviously, the normals they're like Simon Hawke who as you know, we fucking love. And he looked so handsome and him and his friend ours. Such goals. Jonathan was there. Everyone was there was the whole crew and the whole photo booth all of the things where I contact a couple of other mini. Details was just that Scott is so cute. There was a video. I forget who story it was in where he was like kissing Kim's forehead. We love our head guesses. It just like it was fan because as a sign of affect you huge fan. And there's not much else to say like nothing crazy happened this night. I will say Courtney said she was like, yeah. You know, I lost my phone. The next day. She posted a picture of rain. And she was like I lost my phone last night, which I was really happy about because I couldn't I was just enjoying the night and wasn't on my phone at all. And it was just like having fun, which I thought was really species. I guess the only picture that I got and most photogenic kit picture of rain. Of course, of course. So that was there's nothing else crazy to discuss from the night. I just we were any I just want you guys to know as a general rule of them anytime, there's a credentialing event, and you are freaking out about how excited you are. You can a thousand percent note, we are freaking out as much if not more and we're taking notes on it. And we're screen shotting everything and we are so excited chocolate. Yeah. We always say this. But I feel like there's this like thing that shifted with holidays and birthdays that it's like as soon as Easter Christmas. It's like you're so excited for the holiday because you know, you're about to get amazing, unfiltered content. Exactly. And you know, that they're about to document every Sunday only care about holidays now because I know me get incredib-. Contests. I think that that kind of sums up our episode for Tate don't worry so tomorrow in the regular credentialing recap. We're gonna talk literally every single detail about Sunday service. We're gonna talk about Kim's comments about the whole oil often thing like we're gonna get into it. All we just wanted to keep this episode super targeted and focused, but we will see you guys tomorrow. And remember right us in any of your thoughts. Comments by celebs pottage, Email dot com. I'm going to put the number for the voice mail in our bio, I mean in the bio of is up soda and DMS anything, and we will see you tomorrow.

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257. Paul Sand

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

1:26:30 hr | 1 year ago

257. Paul Sand

"Hi, this is Gilbert God ring, and why have your friends in enemies, look and listen to you when they the look and listen to me, go cameos dot com, and I will send out personalized breeding personalized Tate. Personalize in difference. Go do patio dot com and get me he'll Burt God. This is Ron Friedman speaking under great duress, reminding you that this is Gilbert Godfrey, colossal amazing. Unbelievable stimulating should be rated X because it contains things that could be harmful to your genitals podcast lucky. You could be a shitty weather report. But. On the next Gilbert and Franks, colossal obsessions. As what about this? My mother the car episode from this is five. Yeah. This is just I was going really deep deep cut. This is this is why you know, this show failed so miserably because the name of the episode is my son that than Trillo Quist. That's the name the episode season. One episode ten and the name of the band is called the spats which turns out was a real garage band out of garden grove, California. Even find this stuff mazing, they performed on shindig, they released a couple of albums including a single called gator tales and monkey ribs at you heard of the Senate that sounds that sounds like Gilbert's next book. Right. Braga's possess. Confess? Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday only on Stitcher premium. Hi dishes. Gilbert Gottfried, MRs Gilbert, Godfrey, amazing colossal podcast with my co-host ranked Santo Padre and our engineer Frankford or our guest this week is a director comedian popula versatile, and Tony winning guy who's appeared in both on an old Broadway as well as in notable TV and movie world's since the nineteen sixties you've seen in his work and hit DV jokes. Like the Mary Tyler Moore show. The Carol Burnett show taxi LA loan, give me a break say Dell swear night cord the X files Dharma and Greg and in his Joan primetime series polled sand in friends and lovers and curb your through. Zia's? That's next. Yes. Oh, I thought you were done that was the Knicks. Sorry. All right that chocolate. I value thrown off timing. Tom now will be spontaneous. Yup. On chocolate. Well, well, you kill my introduction. Okay. Let's turn over get. Okay. Go back to go and in non forgettable role on Larry David's curb your enthusiasm. You see about that? I gotta. That's why it's written down. He also done memorable work in feature films such as fee. Amac's holy Moses that great Bank cokes. The main event teen will to Schulkin book and a movie that been discussed on this podcast. The hot rock. Oh, yes. Hey, stop. Yeah. Co-starring with our one time podcast guests run LeBron and Charlotte Rae. He's also so starred in on the New York and Chicago stages part of the fame. Second city comedy company. Comedy second. See city comedy second city company. Yes. Alright. I'm going home as well. As the may Joe inspired by mad magazine. Ed, he won a drama desk award and Tony award for playing multiple roles in the Broadway. Production of the poll sills story theatre a long journey. He's shared the stage and screen, which some of the most Roman figures in film TV and theatre, including Robert Redford, George Segal. Alan Arkin, Barbara Harris. Richard Pryor Dudley. Moore, George Carlin zero still and Barbra Streisand. He even worked with. Legendary Marcel Marceau. Please welcome to the show of favorite performer of Franks and mine and man who says he wants what in the presence of Judy Garland that talented all sand. Well, I know that was I think that was everything. That was law that was a lot. We're completed small did. I mention curb your enthusiasm. Yes. Yeah. Tell you my throw up story. Yes. Okay. So. I'm in Paris with the legendary Marcel Marceau, and then I come back that sleeping at my parents house, and I get a telephone coal for the choreographer named poll. God could wonderful, man. And he's at once you come down. I'm staging a show for Judy Garland. Maybe there's something info you so do I talk fast now. Now, doc, it's your normal pace. I'm racing isn't that weird chocolate? So so anyway, I went down there. And there was. All these people from the freed group, and they should those people that ran all the MGM musicals in the early days. Arthur freed was the main guy and. Anyway. So Roger Edens was the the piano player and Kay. Thompson was in the room member k tops. I know the name it anyway. Okay. So they will get a pick out. The course people. So I thought I don't wanna do that. So I said anything special like an audition for and they said, yeah, we we pick the guys they pick the guys I said, what do you want to do? And I I don't know place a music, and I they played music, and I just pretended. I was at an MGM musical, and I have been able to dance that I worked with our silver ever. And so I start doing dances like from MGM, then Judy Garland walks in. And she literally entered laughing and with a group of people with a group of people, and she sees this guy me is standing I mean auditioning and she became under racing. Again. She became very friendly and polite and she liked everything's just doing other one do another one. So she had me do three or four improvise dances. And then I said. Would you use me about it? I went out this exit the into an alley, and I don't feel good. Anyway, I started to get sick against his Wally alley. And there's this little hand is holding my forehead. And and I it's Judy Garland holding my head while I'm. Puking? Yes, you can say. And I said, I'm really sorry. I said I'd do this. What I get nervous as she said. Oh, don't worry about it. You wouldn't or on the road? You can use my bucket. Does that mean I got the job as she says? Yeah. Can you sing? So I'm looking at your garlic. I feel like I'm watching the movies. You know, short. I feel like maybe I'm Donald O'Connor. And I thought I can't tell the truth. I can't go back now. So I said, yeah, I can say she's well, then, you know, arrange it Bubba anyway. And come be my partner, I'm doing this trap number that I did with Fred she said they're in the movies. And and you do it. And that's how it started a friendship was born she held her head while you vomited. Yes. Suitable and you went you went on the road with her for. Yes. One night stands we train. She was recreating the vaudeville days while there were comics and singers. I just did that one piece with with her. It was my first real job Yali. Yeah. I paying job before seconds city, even do your member and need the comics. Frank on taint, crazy Guggenheim. Yes. Mrs john. It was pretty. Yeah. He. Yeah. It was pretty he wanted my job. He wanted to do the number with Judy as so he would be whispering into my ear the time that they're gonna fire you, and I'm gonna I'm gonna do your part. So that was upsetting. But start learning early the meanness of showbiz. Sure, I'm trying to wrap my mind around Paul sand on the road with Judy Garland and crazy Guggenheim you remember he used to do that character on the Gleason show Paul used to draw. Oh, that's what Frank Fontaine that. That was his his sort of stage. Character would be the bartender, and they go. Hey, a crazy. I didn't. He was a drink was a funny drunk in the days when you could get away with doing that kind of thing. Yeah. I get it. The comics anybody else come to mind, but there was a group of singers called the high lows. Wow. Does that? I'm going to have to research that looked I heard you say that you thought she was psychic, Judy Garland. Well, I think highly intuitive. I I don't know. What's recycle it, you know, but highly intuitive kazaa? She always knew when to leave a party. She was hey, let's get outta here. There's gonna be a fight and we would. And there was. Allen. Sheet. Why my ears so many stories of Judy Garland being a total mess. Like, totally confused totally screwed up, and you have a different opinion. Well, I don't know. I was with her every day. And she seemed like a extremely talented lady, very polite and very encouraging and very helpful. And she was never weird to me. She did only knew who I was every other day. How how so? I do. Well, would she cheat work with you? And the next day. Not know who you are. Well, we had. Get off a train, you know to go to the next town like Eugene, Oregon, and she say gimme a penny. So I give her a penny and she put it on the tracks and the train run over it. And it'd be real flat as she said here. Keep this in your pocket, the big good for you. So as it. Okay. Then the next morning I'd see her on on the train, and I go. Hi. And she look at me like who are you while so, but she was that's the only odd thing. But I liked her. And she was. Really helpful early in your career. I've just those few months. Yeah. 'cause I would you let on that. You were kind of obsessed with MGM musicals as a kid. Did you did you share that with her? I I don't know. Maybe she before she walked into the room, and Ginger Rogers was in the room. Wow. I know thrown up to. It was very exciting. And this Roger ease play the piano, and it sounded like a full orchestra while incredible incredible. Let's go let's go back a little bit. Because Gilbert thought all these years, you were Jewish. Yeah. I'm very heartbroken all sand, which is not real name up. Well, no, wait a minute. I am Jewish my mother's rushing ju on. My father's Mexican. So you are at you. All I was gonna I was going to stop the interview. Right. If your if your mother's Jewish that makes you Jewish right? Is that the is that the is that how that works? You were you were born Paul Sanchez, and you right, the Mexicans when did it become sand? And how did you how did you settle on? Somehow. I got an agent name Lillian small, and she said just like in the movies began to do something about that name because everyone's gonna think you're like some Jew from the Bronx, and you're get to walk in. No every you're gonna walk in with the name Sanchez. They're good going to expect somebody dark swarthy. But really you look like a Jew from the Bronx change your name. Like sitting like this, and we're through and I was always sitting on the beach always lived on the beach and how sand as half inches? But that's in those days. We'll new stories existed. You know, widow bother anymore to change the names. Now went think, that's right. You one out to France. And how did you locate? Marcel Marceau, you you've done some amazing research anyone's ever done it. No, it's amazing. I'm in Paris. I go to the Herald Tribune, which is English speaking English language newspaper. And I went to art buckwald sure to his desk that he worked on their Herald Tribune at that time. And I said, I'm this American guy. I'm looking for Marcel Marceau, do you have his address and he looked his Rolodex? And he gave it to me. And he said, good luck. And I said, okay, thank you. And then I found where Marcel Marceau lived, and I knocked on the door. And I learned how to say, I don't speak French. So I said if she's you MS you knew that bell say, and he says to me, well, I speak perfect English. Just like that. Wow. Yeah. So he said, I don't have a school. But I have a company wants you come back and a couple of weeks and auditioned for me. And I did I got in the company while now, so what what amazes me with Marcel Marceau is I would seem on TV. And I knew he was a gory mime, but his past his history on that. He was in the French resistance true. Yes. Indeed is. Yeah, he ever talk about that. Paul never interesting. I didn't know that in for two years later when I read about them really at Noah DEA, never talked about it. And he would go on these stainless missions where he smuggled children out of the out of the country. And and he said if that he kept the children quiet in those times that were terrifying times he kept them quiet by performing mime for them and entertaining that as a real hero. Yeah. That's amazing. That's an that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. So he rescued about seventy children. I think you you were two point in your life. Where you just decided you needed to change of scenery. You were what nineteen you didn't wanna go to work? No, I think it was about eighteen in there. Yeah. And I didn't want to I wanted to run away from home. My parents are wonderful and loving and no problem. But I didn't wanna go to Cisco. I didn't want to go to New York. I wanted to go to France. I've seen always always going to fridge movies wearing black turtlenecks. What what what did they think when they saw you over there that I was a cowboy? Yeah. That they did they all thought of an over here before I left the thought it was a French guy. You know? Yeah. Let me talk about a little bit about your about your childhood too. Because you you were you were a shy kid. But you were you were a movie buff. You loved MGM musicals, you'll love French movies. You loved all this stuff. Your parents were always encouraging to you. Extremely supportive supportive. Yeah. They didn't push me around this. Yeah. I would get up in the morning and say, I want to take piano lessons, and they said, okay, or whatever they always encourage me like supported me about. Yeah. Wasn't it that you said they were held back and their childhoods or they didn't get to pursue their dreams. You know in their day. It was like my mom wanted to be a ballerina, and you can't be a dancer. They said my father was a wonderful painter of beautiful wonderful pater. But he had to support the family. So. But he would paint. Sometimes I still have a great painting of his few of your mother said you could study with viola spol- in the great viola as long as you didn't become a child a child actor. I'm stunned at everything, you know. What we do is what we care about. But that's amazing to me. Yeah. I saw play when night, and it was all under a blue light. And I was captivated. I I said that's what I wanna do. So she called up UCLA. And said who's the best teacher for kids who wrote make them crazy? You know? And so. They found viola spolot we met and she got a scholarship for me, which was great. And my folks said you can act. Take classes as long as you what? But you can't be a child actor that you can do all this. But you can't go and. Yeah. They didn't want you to be one of the screwed up crazy child Gitter. Yeah. I think that was their their reasoning. Yeah. I think it was wise, y'all. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. A little a little context about viola. Oh, and by the way, whose name has come up on this show before I told you we had Peter Bonner's here. Oh, yeah. And we had other people here. And I can't think of who they are now, but other people who gave credits viola spol-, and why think Asner to was in the compass players wasn't he we we had Ed here. He mentioned her. I mean, she goes back to the thirty. She goes back to the the WPA. I mean, she was she was an actress she was a teacher. She was a director and mentor a lot of people and she's the inventor of theater games. She is. Yes, she invented the whole metric I belong to her little company called the young actors company, and she tried out. All these theater games on us. So I was about nine ten nine years old all the whole her whole technique. Became my technique of. Aware of it. You know, right. So how long did you study with her because I'm I'm trying to fill in the gap between you taking starting with her at nine and disappearing off to Paris at nineteen. Yeah. It was I studied with the well, then I came back, and I worked more with her or pulse hills. Family forever. Yeah. Right. And these are the these are the this is the the father and the mother if you will of modern of improv absolutely now, this is usually the question I asked toward the end of the show, but what what are some of the things you've learned the most important lessons you've learned about acting and performing. Not not to try to hard to trust your own intuition to trust yourself to trust your own person to just it's very hard to be yourself. But I think that's what works because we all have almost everything in. And then you just. It is play yourself, basically. But you play yourself doing everything, you know. Yeah. We never taught to put on odd makeup or footing noses or wigs and things just it all comes out. I had the pleasure of working with your old friend Alan Arkin on talk show a couple years ago. And we asked him what was the mistake that people in improv make and he said trying to be funny. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's wrong as when I go to improv company. Now, it's to me, it's painful because everyone's trying so hard, and that's all I pick up is people trying to our rather the being spun to viola used to compare true improvisation with a basketball game where everybody's on the same side. And we can't play the game without each other. And now it's become team saves. Everyone's. Penatta with each other. And that doesn't make four brilliants. Did Paris live up to your expectations. You had seen all these go, Dr films and Truffaut films, and you. Okay. So you had an idea of what it was going to be like, and it was just like the movies. It was great lived up to your expectations. It was perfect. You know, what's funny when you were saying about being your cell vibe in both sides one where I fought dishing things and other times where I've watched other people addition and people come in, and they'll be totally charming and likable. And then all of a sudden they act. That's it. They're gone. Yeah. But he there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, her technique was more about being of service on stage to to the other performers, and it being a group thing getting out of the way exactly just being with each other at seeing what comes up it takes a lot of courage, but it pays off at some point in Paris. You decided what I've I've had enough of this. And I have to go home. No, wait, a minute that absolutely. When I was thinking. It's really like Judy Garth. Was it too much of a good thing? We are like Carlin. Good callback. We see everything we're intuitive ball. God. Yes. It was you you were homesick or you decided this was enough glamour or enough. I have to go back at some point. It was either I stay here and try to become a French actor or go home, and I did want to stay become afraid. Schachter speeds. I love the fridge. But I would have been a great jump Bill Mondo. I see you. Starring in breathless. Do you know I was in Chicago. And I read a review by polling kale of the New Yorker magazine about this movie called breathless. How you got to see it? And so I got on a plane the night before our day off or night up and I flew into New York City distal go. See breathless, you know. So yeah, I was still great fan of of that that all had that spontaneous look to it didn't it. Oh, yeah. And that's I I was always attracted to that. Yeah. What when did when did you go back and and get involved with Paul sills, and what eventually would become compass players. I was I came back somehow, and I was in Los Angeles. And I get a letter from Paul sills. And he said, I've got this company called second city. And do you still do what you did as a kid it my mother school? And I said, I think so. Yeah. And. He said I saw you Elaine may and I came out to the school, and you're this little kid, and we just want to know if you could do it still do it while, and I said, I guess and that I got a plane and went and I was the quiet one though for a year. Oh, I have a little something to say. Why all mean? Yeah. Now the perfect time. Stop talking. No, go ahead. You're I'm sorry. No, tell us. No, I I don't want to be do pushy. No, we like it. Okay. What was I gonna say, Elaine, Elaine? So so everybody was brilliant. And they were all from the university of Chicago and great minds in very knowledgeable about what's happening everywhere in the world at all times. And I wasn't. So I would we took suggestions. So the audience, I always took the objects. So when it was time to do the improvisations after the show, I would take the objects, and then make it around that whether it's a baseball or this or that. Anyway, what night we were taking? No. So we used to go every morning at eleven o'clock, Barbara Harris, several Darden brilliant. Oh, seven Darden. Oh my God. Unbelievable. And the three of us would get on the bus and go see the latest Ardy movie. It would be like a Ingemar Bergman movie or attaching while then we'd come back, and we'd satirize them that night, you know. So anyway, that was our pattern for getting new material. So we're on the bus go into the movies. And there's a man sitting across from me on the bus reading how to win friends and influence people. It was very moving and really interesting that he didn't cover the book up with something. You know what I mean? I've been every thought this is so courageous and sweet this is not. So anyway that night at the theatre someone yells out phonograph record. I flashed on that guy's book. And I said, I'll take all take that. What I what I'm going to be a guy that buys a record cold hotter winner for an IS. What you did on the Carol Burnett show all those years later. Yeah. There forever anyway. So it's my point is I could speak when I felt. It was coming from me back to that. Again. It was something that moved me that I thought was very interesting or you know, anyway, then I could not stop talking because I got the courage right to be myself. His people laughed. So you were you were you were shy. You were kind of a wallflower for the first year, and then gradually got your voice. Instantly the minute. I saw the guy reading the book about the turning. And that was the very that. I I got it. Oh, I get. Improvising. Now, it's all got to come for me. My point of view on a subject how it might be clear. Yes. Very. You know, now just a memory of mine when I was a kid living in crown heights, Brooklyn me and my two sisters all in and Karen would go every night over to the Brooklyn museum to watch them film, the hot rock. There you go. Yeah. He was he was there. Yeah. Crowd. Watch people watching them film, the high rock fashion that when they're the big car accident when we fakes. Fakes I'm pretending to be doctors. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Just. Diamond. I we would see them the car speed around. They built an artificial front to the museum. So the car would have something to speed away from and it would speed, and and they yet it'd be that car accident. Yeah. That yes. Exactly. I remember that very well, also, very vivid. I yeah, I saw them doing. Of course, I remember they built like an artificial front. So they'd have something for the car to speed around. We had we had Ron Liebman here on the show. And we we of course, we talked about that scene as jump to the hot rock Gilbert. Yes, I'll come back to second city. But you know, we fly around here. Yes. Watching last night. I went back and watched it again, it's it's a favorite heist movie. We just lost William golden, by the way, the rather right or that screenplay fun couple of months ago. Just tell us about whatever you remember about zero. Who plays you're dead. You know, very, thank you know, audience rate serum. You were Paul was Greenberg, the explosives expert, and and zero was his double crossing dead. Yeah. Well, okay, aside, and this is from all sincerity aside from being an extraordinary. Amazing magical kind of actor just get into it and not come out of it. What was interesting. We shared the car on the way to location all the time. If it just be hitting me in the back seat of big driven around and he would talk about himself as being a painter. He'd never talked about himself as being an actor interesting. Yeah. That's the thing that comes to my mind other than playing with them wonderfully and comfortably in front of the camera and being on by watching him. Yeah. But that was the most outstanding thing heard he would like just go off on his own tangents when he was acting wonderful. Yeah. Inspiring. Yeah. We have to wear some people who did stage performances with them who were you know, an an actor named Gino Conforti who was in the original. Yeah. Lure on the roof with zero. And some people said. He would just go off script some nights. He was just he would just make his own show. I can't wait to do that on Broadway. I'll do it. Right. Great. And some of them were trying to get on the show a judge Seagal. Yeah. Another another great. How how is he doing what wonderful company were in Paul? It was a very comfortable company. Yeah. I like to. Yeah. It was. Yeah. Is he was very comfortable. Remember any tension or throwing up or anything? Very comfortable. Yeah. What Peter Yates gave you the part based on your Tony speech. Wait a minute. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm stunting research. Internet's a wonderful tool. Amazing fans. We're lifelong fans of yours. So some of this shit, we know naturally, and some of it, we do, you know, we go we go digging to fill in the gaps. Sometimes we look something up on the internet, and it's totally fucking wrong. Right. There's a lot to called out on it by our guest. Yeah. Well, some some who is aged. I can't think of his name. I really can't at the moment. He was a really hotshot agent at ICM. And he asked me out to lunch was after I got the Tony. And he said if you leave your agent. And come with us. I see him. I can put you in this very interesting movie in a very interesting part, which you do it. And I said yes, and I did and I would to meet Peter Yates. And he said, I didn't just what you said. I didn't see your play. But I liked your Tony award acceptance speech, and I want you for this part while and so then they did audition me, and I did and good at it. And then yeah, that's it. You're great in that picture. And I always remember your line in it. Zero Stelle does something, you know. He's really cut Nive ING guy. You know? Yeah. And these shyster lawyer, and you do you have this line where you go. Mama's gonna be really angry at you. I if you don't mind me sort of like straightening out that line little. Yeah. So. They decide to like pretend to get the key to a safe deposit box. They take zero up to this empty warehouse where I'm being held by this giant. And they're gonna throw me down the elevator shaft. If if if we is there doesn't give us the key. So it was like we're all in cahoots pretending to be chased around screaming. Oh. God, he says, you're kidding me. You wouldn't throw him down. Robert represents says something like, oh, no, okay. So and so and they threw down the elevator shaft. But it was only like a foot down on a mattress. But I screamed real out like falling. Zero goes crazy, what have you done? And then I say. I'm gonna tell mama on you. Daddy perfect. When you're hanging by the rope cuts hanging by the room. I also remember from watching that movie years ago if ghanistan banana stand. Yep. Was funny. Yeah. Yeah. Word of hit meticias. Yeah. All those great actors Moses Gunn to he was great everybody and. Oh, and one of those things, of course, I remember this the music was done than than than that, Ed and. Done. It's like an acid flashback. Isn't it Paul? I know that trick. I don't know did Yates let you the master improviser doing. Improvising and playing around with that wonderful, William Goldman script. You know, what I think if something if there's a wonderful lines to say, you're very comfortable with them. And you don't feel the need to like right is flow right along audio. Yeah. So that's no remembers. I'm thinking about you and Redford out on the lake and the first thing that the two of you have together and you're randomly flinging. These explosives, yes. Bushes. And you're telling them that you studied at the Sorbonne. Yeah. No. That was all written all written. Yeah. When we were like climbing over a wall escaping or going through it with scape into prison. Right. That we made up some dialogue on the way over the wall to have something to say such a wonderful movie, and you visually you look different in every single scene, isn't it straight? You've got you've got the big fro. And the next time. We see your hair slicked back, and he's he's he's looks like secret service. Remember this link back hair, a very mysterious Accenture character. Greenberg. Yeah. But let me go back to second city because I want to ask who was in the company, then when you it wasn't compass players when you join right because that knows that was the previous extradition. I there was playwrights. And then there was the compass. And then there was second city that what I arrived there was severed Darden Barbara Harris Eugene troop, Nick, Andrew Duncan. Right. Greytown howard. All sure is one of the owners. Was libertine. Ian there yet? Oh god. Yes. Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. And Melinda Dillon was his girlfriend, and she was a coat check girl in the in the club. And then she knew when Barbara Harris would have to go way than Melinda. Said what day I know everything she's done while she would be she get up there into all the songs that all the scotch. Yeah. Yeah. Melinda Dillon who would go on to star with Richard Dreyfuss and close encounters of the third kind. Yeah. And a lot of Christmas story a lot of Christmas story with mcgavin. How can I forget shoe flawless, and what do you remember about your work your early work with Alan Arkin? You know, we didn't I we were in young actors company together. But we were just these little band of children. Really? And we would do plays the clown haram away and never on Sunday or or or no Sunday costs five pesos. Okay. So we were just kids, and, you know, nothing in particular. I didn't know he was gonna turn into L are cutting. You know, we were just like children playing really I just wanted to say about Paul sills. And by the way, did you that wonderful book called something wonderful right away. Did you give the off the author that title, you know, that too? I read that book years ago, and by the way, more people should know who Paul sills is. He would really throw his to the ground. If anybody tried to tell a joke. He said like religiously hold you down on the Greenwich. You were telling a joke you're telling a joke, and he says no jokes are allowed just humor. You know what I'm saying? Get all these comedians came out of that came out of that school. Yeah. Always how do you square that up? I think I don't know about everybody, but you sort of find your own again you find your own way around. And and I guess if CBS says, well when I was doing this series for CBS, the writers would have in the script, and I had I had the main role in the show and on the script. It was typewritten. This is a joke. Paul. Spell it out. I didn't recognize a bad joke when I see one. Yeah. But you are naturally funny. Actor I mean that that's all they saw me just doing Broadway not telling one Joe, then they give me this contract and give me a script full of jokes that I don't understand. That was in a lot of directors would go well, like an airplane was the perfect example they wanted to actors so a they wouldn't say stuff like jokes. They wouldn't be funny. Well, certainly in the case of airplane. They were trying to do straight up a straight up parody. And they thought comedians ruin it. Would chess joke a joke that I don't know what to their Sateras they used to call satirists at second city. I we we we'd make satire out of situations movies headlines. And you know, it's interesting that you say, oh, you're taking improv classes because I we had on Bruce stern who said he's always trying to be improved his performance and be a better actor. Yeah. So like it never stops with some people though. No, I have a company now even. Tell us about the Santa Monica to company. Of that is just keep astonishing me. Well, we're put on shows in they're wonderful, and and we will need few. But the newspapers really like us, and and I've got some stuff I wanna do and where we raise money than we get some money. And then we want to show like, and so we have some exciting stuff coming so good. That's it. We'll plug it again at the end because it's thank you back to the improv classes like so you at no point ever, like just take your shoes off sit back and go. Okay. I know what I'm doing. No, no. I I'm getting the feeling lately that I kind of know what I'm doing. And that's why I was courageous enough to start the theater and to direct actors, and I really like. I love teaching and I love directing actors to aim where I think they will be most comfortable and thrilling to watch. So I yeah, I could do that. I know how now that's really fun. But they still like part of you. That says I have to be better. Oh. Yeah. You relate Gilbert. I sucked beginning. And I. Yeah. No, it's no, it's no also was an interest in the subject. It's fun to do in and Aretha sills knows everything. Viola spol- ever did backwards of forwards. And so she's having do some games now that I never did as a child that. She must have done later. You know? So it's it's all very exciting. How'd you working with with second city, and all these people and froing out other names Bob dish? She Ted flicker. I don't know if you work if these were people that were in the company with you nessa, not not your friends. Valerie harper. Oh, yes. She's like, she's like, a she's my fairy godmother this woman. Now, she just she's amazing on a lovely person. I've gotten to three times up so glad she's lovely. I adore her. What how did you get from from trying to just do the chronology of this just a piece this together? Paul you working out regularly with second city now. And how does it start to turn into a professional acting career? Because I see you you turn up the TV show bewitched in the nineteen sixties. You turn up. Did you do a series with George C Scott call these side west side? I did remember that until this minute. How about how about starting to get acting work? Well, what happened was we went on the road? We just happy improvisers in Chicago. And then magazine start coming and reviewing and then. Brings to Los Angeles came as well, San Angeles. Then we were all signed by William Morris agency. And then we're all set out for jobs. So he started getting these odd jobs and then going back to the theatre at night and doing, you know, our show which is the ideal lifestyle for an actor, by the way to have a home base. And then go out, and you know, because you started turning up on interesting things Gilbert, your remember show called Mr. Broadway with Craig Stevens. Yeah. No Kasur wife. You are on. Com sort of V witched. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you started. And this is this is sixty four sixty five sixty six you did the mad show in sixty six with JoAnne Worley, and then the land Laven and Liber Tanay. Yeah. And and and yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so you're turning into turning into a professional now. It's not just it's not just classes and workshops and now you're getting. You're on Broadway with match off Broadway. Yeah. The my first job was being Judy Garland's partner that was pretty professional. Okay. So I that that was the first job. But yeah, I see. Yeah. We're we're starting to get noticed and bass. Yeah. Yeah. Getting cut a hot. And and you worked with the great check Kilford. Yes, he played father. Yes. And. Blacklisted like zero was. It sounds funny to say a very sweet man, but he really was gentle and kind, and, you know, by that time they've been through some pretty rough times that that generation sure and his his wife was onset at she would knit and bring him lunch and he didn't chat, but it was not cold, but friendly. Yeah. I gotta talk about Paul sand in France and lovers, and I love I always loved at the title had your name above the name of the show. Paul sand in friends. And tell you it's it's a show that a lot of people have a fondness for frit. Fred Silverman asked Brooks and burns, m TM to create to create a vehicle for you. Because you had done you had done Mary Tyler Moore episode a memorable you played her. I R S agent which again, it's on YouTube, and it's charming, and and I could see what they saw on you, Paul. Yeah. But what was the question? Well, I was trying to figure out how that show came about. By the way, Steve Landsberg was also on that show Gilbert a favorite of ours ever. Never have. Early role for the penny Marshall. Yeah. Yeah. So they surrounded you with good people. Yeah. I did. I did the tax man on. Mary Tyler Moore show. Yeah. Can't forget the day of her show. And then we were doing the tag shooting tag at the end of the show. And she said, why don't you stay on the show and be a regular? And I I I'm on my way to Broadway. We're going to open his show, and she was like don't you wanna do series? Have a good part? I said, well, I can't just not show up. You're going to story theater. Yeah. Do store theater. So then what a way that for a long time and came back, and you got a a little place to live of in Malibu in a real junky, part Aballah, boo. And I was on the beach with all these my dog friends all all the dogs of the beach or by friends. Uh-huh. Anyway, we were all wet what after noon sitting there staring at the ocean and nurture Moore walks by and Jim Brooks while and I don't know the head of the world walked by like accidentally. Had said to you. You know? Ohio. How do you feel about doing TV show, and I was all worn out from doing Broadway for year? And I said, yeah. But I don't wanna be a doctor or a copra. I don't know. We'll call it you come and visit us and anyway, they came up with this concept of big musician in the Boston symphony. Yeah. Yeah. And. Do you have a brother? Yeah. So they put a brother in tried make me feel at home. I guess, and it was a weird experience that was that was cut out for it. You weren't cut out for a weekly series. Not that one. I see. Okay. I used to. That was that was a. That was that was a little difficult. I think Allan Allan burns was one of the creators of the show was interviewed about it later in life. And he admitted that they were over extended that they use big words like that all the time. You know? I don't know they didn't expect it to be bought. I think I say they didn't expect it to. And then there they were they they were writing on it at all. And they would tell the network that they were I had. People writing it and nothing made sense to be sure table readings. I didn't know what the script is about. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So what's wrong? No, nothing. So they felt like unprepared like it. They just felt it was an idea for show, and they were ready when it went on. I don't know what went on in their heads or in their conversations. But I kinda wanted to bring all the people that I've worked with with second city. To the set and be the writers. And right start all over again. People you're comfortable with. Yeah. I didn't know at the time like say, the, pardon the expression the power I had at the time. So I probably could've talked Grint tinker into bringing some of my people with me, you know, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. And what was Mary Tyler Moore liked to work with the word adorable. Just comes to me and. Real smart. A great survivor. I liked her. I liked her. She was I I could see why they said stick around because you guys, obviously, she was supposed to be playing a woman who was single who was struggling to to to to find a love life. I mean would have thrown the show the balance of the show off. But you two are were so charming together that I could understand what what they saw. Yeah. Yeah. Our listeners to find that episode, and you you're you're you're just charming in it. Oh, thank you. And quirky anybody ever tell you. I know I know Harpo Marx didn't speak, but did anybody ever tell you how to kind of Harpo Marx quality? Yeah. And performing Paul a. Yeah. But I I had I don't know. Oh, no. It's not that. It's I don't stop to think of it or. Okay. That's he's wonderful to watch. I remember watching him as a kid forever. Yeah. Play the harp. Suddenly become not funny and dead serious. Beautiful. There's a, you know, what I'm you know, what you see it Gobert child light quality in your in your performances at sometimes reminds me. But well that's of. Yeah. I'm flattered I met him to you. Yeah. What I was traveling with Marceau in America than he was invited everywhere would to be to STAN laurel. Wow about that. What was how wait I to drop a couple more names? So I had. Yeah. Salvador dali? Yeah. But yeah, some very fascinating people will Laura was living in Santa Monica forever there. Yes. Right. Ocean. Pay always talk about he had his name in the book. Who had whose name, Dan, Laura, while we had Dick Van Dyke, and Chuck McCann and a whole bunch of people. We had here on this show went and found stand in the phone book. Oh, I see what you mean. Yes. Yeah. How did you? How did you find him? And I mean that how did you win? Oh, how did I impress me? Yeah. I mean, how did you find the man to be as well as how did you find them? So interesting because it's oh, it's. These are all gentle people you're talking about. There was nobody nobody freaking out, you know, sissies or was a little taking out the these people you're mentioning were. They're gentle people talented. And yeah. Did you have much interaction with Harpo? I I was so pushy. I said he showed us to wig his wig. I said could I try it on while? And he puts it on. My head is nice and. That was aggressive of me. But it was I like the didn't seem to mind. No. He was nice about that. Yeah. Funny. How I was amazing with Harpo that he would go from funny and crazy till like totally serious and touching and the movies when they play the harp. Yeah. Yeah. Transport himself. Yeah. But tell us about sid Caesar. I he asks if you of us, I think from second city to be on a show, and then he told me to come to Las Vegas to see him in a show. A puts me at a table ringside right next to him practically, and I've been working for like five years with comedy people and. I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh at what he was doing. You know, what I had a so then afterwards he said you didn't laugh at anything. I did. I don't know how I got out of it. But it was it was not unhappy. But it was. Kind of person comfortable for me to be around. Anyway. Interesting interesting. Well, I love the show of shows. Sure. God. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Did you did you stay in touch with over the years with any of those second city people Paul it, you stay with Severn or or libertine or. Yep. Are we just lost? Yes. Yeah. Always. Yeah. Barbara moved to. Scottsdale. Arizona, and we talked on the phone a lot. And what a talent. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. She had a rather short career all things considered intense, very, intense and. She she did a lot. She didn't wanna do a lot. So she would she would quit go home or so definitely her own person. You know, can we ask we throw a couple of other names that you before we let you go. We know you got stuff to do. Here's some here's some names you made a movie with Burgess Meredith one of Gilbert's favorites. Yeah. Called the Bank hoax. The great the great. The great the great bag the great Bank odes. Yeah. Yeah. That was nice, and Richard base heart, Richard base, heart, right? Who is an idol of mine is a kid about that. I mean with the kid I mean, like less Strada assure. Yeah. So. Yeah, that was that's what I was with CA. And they would just put you in the movies. You know, right. And you work with Jonathan winters in fever max and a small part. Yes. This is stunning. You got me John Astin here is also in that movie. We had a couple of weeks ago who John Astin? Oh, also in Viva max, Peter Ustinov Conforti. I I well there. Yeah. That's what Jonathan winters. He. He's another one. I heard couldn't really stick to a script. He would just go nutty. I didn't notice I I had the small part ever. I answered the a gate. I said what's the password? They weren't allowed to shoot inside of the Alamo or outside the Alamos inside the Alamo. So brought us all to Rome. And about the interior the Alamo, and that was a whole another adventure in Rome. Yeah. How about making the main event with with Barbara and John John Peters. Ryan O'Neal, which your fun in. Throwing you into another movie. That was I see him. I see that was around Paul. Well, as you get tired of you, you know, the phone I can relate faith. Yeah. Who you are. Judy Garland credible. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have to keep hustling or to say, yes. To the next person that offers you. But you like working with strikes? I did I did all she is to me is a perfectionist. What's so bad about that? But people seem to resent resent. It's very weird. I even she asked me to put a quote in your book, and I said your success in career remind me of what they did to the most beautiful and talented people in the ancient days. They would throw them down volcanoes cause they couldn't stand a look at them. So it was a feel that she had a lot of envy in jealousy coming her way. Interesting and she tried very hard to get it. Right. You can't knock that you know. He did cut my best scene out of a movie. Not that movie different moving don't do that. Well that movie. Yeah. Though, she and Robert Redford sort of cut me out of the best seen. God damning, do you do this? I found this is some fun stuff. I found doing research Paul the the back to the mad show. Did you know that the mad show had a softball team that played in central park? No. I I don't think anybody that was in the show was on the softball team. But there's a picture online. I'll send it to you of these ball players in the park, and they're all wearing Madge show logos on their baseball. Uniforms. Patty. Af ski Jason Robards Allan king. George C, Scott, Tom Wolfe and Woody Allen. Isn't that bizarro? Wow. I'm so impressed. You weren't invited to play. No. Yeah. And you worked with autho Godfrey. Do you have any memory of that he was in the Bank oaks? Oh. I don't remember. I isn't that weird. It's okay. He hated the Jews. According to. God. You. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. What about this was this was a fun? But by the way, that Sondheim do some ghost writing on the mad show. Do you know about that? No, Stephen Sondheim. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote. A couple of the boy from Benin bet. But the boy from it was called the boy from the Nima. Yeah. That Linda Lavin sang and Mary Rogers wrote the lyrics. That's right. That's yeah. I had the mad show album. I was too young to see the show. Yeah. They were very nice again, really. Pardon me, very comfortable, people hard workers look back at it. It's a sort of a precursor Ronin. Martin's Laffin in many ways. Yes, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Joanne Worley was in the New York cast. I think Alan sues was in an LA version. He was awesome in the New York. Yeah. Another talented guy. Very yeah. We love we loved him. Tell us about Carol Burnett. You did some memorable? Carol Burnett shows and the sketches are by the way, all on YouTube with you playing the jealous dad one year on the honeymooners on the drive, and there's that solo piece is the how to win a friend. Yeah. She was the closest thing to the joy that I had working with second city. Oh, she was so. Open and loving and spontaneous. A wonderful performer. She was just great to work. It was like working with Barbara Harris her. It was like being in a company. I did feel like we're in some TV hit. Yeah. She was supportive of of other other performance. Would let us help you shine. Amazing. Did you work with Harvey Korman? No. I don't think he'd like me very much up in at feeling really. Yeah. Like, what's he doing here? I notice all your senior with Carol not the other players know although episode with Steve Lawrence Gilbert. Oh, so I think so like a gangster. I play mad dog. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Paul tell us about the curb your enthusiasm episode, which you you brought up in the first thirty seconds and is so memorable. Yes. And possibly my favorite episode in the run at well. I can say anything on a podcast kit. The wild west, buddy. Yeah. Oh, I got a call to come in on dishing, then it is provided, but they give they gave you a little piece of paper that said, what was your a French chef with Terrell syndrome? You'll hate hey to salmon at so that they give everybody else. A little piece of paper you owner restaurant. You're trying to find a chef to hire etcetera etcetera. So. We started providing for Schiff took these my I like this salmon, and I'm going to go now. Go fuck yourself. Fuck are. Room. Got to my car, and I went home, then my phone rings and says Where'd you go? And as well, I don't know I just left, and they said we'll come back, and let's do the show let's do it together. And so we were shooting it. And there was this wonderful dutiful girl in brays and short short Levi's, and she's pulling cables around and and I said, hey, I need some like really dirty words fast. Gilbert. And she she she says Cox other mother for as whole fuck handle. So then I had to that. I said it right on on the air. Did it? It's great. I was part of the dialogue through it'd. It's great. She gave to me. Yeah. That's wonderful. I needed them. But she seemed like the right person to ask that, that's that's considered a classic persona. Classic moment. It was affected was the season. Finale. Yeah. So I think it was it was it was good. I had a great time. And it's fun that when you look at that group of people that there are there are a couple of ex compass people in the scene with you as Paul Dooley. Yes. Playing Ari's father in law and was bourbons in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people Michael York. Michael york. That's right. He's the restaurant. He's the partner. Yeah. We were sitting out in the sun. And he was having a cigarette. I think and we were sitting on a curb next to each other. And I said to him what did it feel like having the whole world went to go to bed with you. And he said they did. Wow. Are they where are they now? Great. And what did, you know, Shelley Berman wouldn't know no minimum once said think. I just got a I got a question from a listener for you Paul from Lesley Friedman. She's a fan and she wants to know did you do any studying or training to play rabbi pylon sqi on Joan of Arcadia? No studying just new. I'm an actor. I pretended. No, no, no studying. But yeah. Gilbert, the scripts were good scripts were good Gilbert, and I dug up something last night, another Curio U N. Dean Jones playing the brothers Grimm in a variety special fairy eq- incredible. Everybody's in that with you. Yeah. Teri garr. Are hardy Johnson Ruth buzzy. Who else kill Cleveland little? Eighty mcclurg everybody. Yeah. What are your about making that? And you're singing and your dancing and see. I know I know. I remember he and I would ride around carriages all the time. Yup. We shoot all night. I remember that and member Teri Garr. Everybody was sleepy all the time because no one slept. I can't tell you that. I remember a whole lot about it. But the the guy that choreograph that is Paul Godkin, and he was in my life earlier. He did that Judy Garland thing. There you go. Then I go, and then I or some money before it went to France being on a television show that he choreographed so he was. Yeah. It was it was seeing bumping into the safe people. It's really nice. I think it's great that Paul sand has to run off to do an improv because it's it's it's perfectly fitting. But before we let you out do you care to comment on either. Holy Moses or can't stop the music, and we'll understand if you want to take the headphones off and just walk. Holy Moses was like the best. I had I had never had really a lot of experience in the movies. But that was the best time that the director does, you know, who the director Gary weis would come from Saturday Night Live, so brilliant. He would I played a an angel a sex addict. Yup angel of alcoholic, and and I had I don't ever had a loggers something sitting on Iraq talking about how tough life was or being an angel. And he got he laid down underneath a camera. And so his head was right underneath the lens. And he laughed so hard so silently, and it was so encouraging that there was just no stopping you know, what I mean, he was so encouraging and so. So loving to us. That was wonderful and then good people in that movie. Richard Pryor, obviously. Yeah. W more. Yeah. And then music you were playing basically a record executive abosorb playing Arlt, Stephen an agent. Okay. But I was sort of Alan Carr said use Arnold see full as a role model for you. So. Yeah. That was. Yeah. That was one of the things were I said, unlike the dialogue, can I change your dialogue, and and they say, yeah. And I said I have a writer as she could help me, she writes movies, and he said, well, I can't give her any money, but I can give her a fur coat or a new car. Which would you what a wonderful smart kind of manage woman. And she's I don't wanna for coach. And so she needed a new car and got her a that was. Yeah. So that was that's a that's a wild movie. It's insane. Yeah. I mean, a a real golden Turkey. But there's there's there's some fun things in it. A sooner remember. Yeah. I remember the low. Yeah. They put us up at the plaza hotel. Nancy everyone had rented. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have fun making it at least? I can't say, no. Last question. Did you do you? Remember anything about working with George Carlin and Blake Edwards? No did. I. In a pilot called just in case. Oh, I did. I yes. How do you like that? I remember doing the pilot didn't stick with you. No interesting in an actress career that you you have so many so many gen you know, it's work. It's just another job. It is weird. Sometimes if I look at I am db. I don't think I did some of these things such with Valerie still yes how she do. Her husband, by the way, Richard shawl, another funny guy. Yes. Her exhusband ex husband. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's remarried to wonderful, Tony, and they live in Santa Monica. We talk on the phone once in a while. It's very nice. We should have her on this. Pardon me. I said Gilbert, I should have her on this show. Valerie, she's a great talker. And she's done everything. She oh, do she's got a lot of say. And she's extr- amazing. She helped me so much. Yeah. Certain moments. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us about the Santa Monica theater. I know you did a Kurt vile piece not long ago. Yes. And it's still going strong. The then is still have has his heart. And we're still I'm finishing writing play. Okay. And we want to do that. And I wanted to other. There's other player wanted to have a I don't have a company, but I have some favorite actors. There's a very the shea star. She's brilliant. So Mason is he's a great actor. Australia's there's ice favorite ones. And we'll just keep working together. So we'll to learn our hell a peeps to come. See you. Yes. And and the name of the space again is the Santa the public theater. Yeah. We need to raise a lot of money. So you can tell people. Absolutely, you you you were born there in Santa Monica lived above the the the carousel at one point. And you're still there. I don't live there live up down the beach, but still, but you're still you're you're where your started something about that. Yeah. I learned how to walk on the pier. Yeah. As a baby. That's great. We write a book, Paul. We we write a memoir until a funny should mention that. I'm taking writing a memoir writing class and this. Interesting woman. Joel Robinson Jill Sherri Robinson. She's the daughter of Dorje, Sherry or Sherri. Sure. Yes. As she's encouraging me to write my memoirs. So I am doing that. I think you should. Yeah. I think there's sort of. Yeah. I am more or less. What was an evening with Paul San which you did last year? Was it just you telling stories and high we in Arkansas, how do you know about that? It's on the web. No is a call a university thing ever friend who taught film. Yeah. In that university. And would I come and talk is that the kind of thing that maybe you would tour with develop it, and and you know, what through Renton country member was Spalding, gray. He's used to read it. I can I have fun reading my memoir stories. So that might be interesting. You know? But anyway, there's you. You have stories to tell. We appreciate you coming and doing this and. I'm sorry. I was gonna say schlepping all the way from Santa Monica Hollywood to and you sat in traffic for a long time. And we appreciate that. But class is not very far away. So we're going to class now and Gilbert's go into comedy class right after this, right? Love you every time. I see you. I love watching you. I'll thank you. Yeah. I was your when people were you just stop and watch. Yeah. Yeah. We don't take you casually. Thank you. That's a nice compliment. Wow. Truth is truth. He does command. Attention doesn't. He. It's wonderful. Yeah. Anyhow, most distinct voices in all of show business. That's true. But we can sort of see you thinking, and it's wonderful to what you think. Yeah. Right now, you're thinking wonderful. Ever this way you ever New York? No. But I wanted to my show in writing on Broadway. Let us know. And we'll take you to lunch. Okay. Well, if you're here is coming then. Drop. Gilbert's wishing you would start at the show with a compliment. What I said Gilbert's, wishing you started the show by complimenting him. But he'll take it here. And and think that going back that flesh back of me and my sisters when we were kids watching them film, the hot rock and then hearing one devote compliment from you. Oh well. Yeah. We could go on and on. But it's really been a real pleasure meeting to view. Thanks for doing this. We'll tell our listeners to to rent the hot rock or watch the hot rock if they have anything to plug the plug anybody that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Support support the theater will put it up on social media. And we'll let you know when this goes up on the internet bull. Great. Thanks so much you guys. Thank you. In Gilbert Godfrey to mazing colossal podcast with my co host Frank Santo Padre. And we've been talking to the great poll sand. Thank you very much. Get by. Why? A world. Fram. If we have to read. Anyone stance? Is on. Time. On trend. It's a world world world world. And the hand bread say we won't get into anyone. Just you sing it. But we won't. Get into anyone's. That's what I taught. While the. My mother. 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