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143: The 2019 Tour de France route ramble

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143: The 2019 Tour de France route ramble

"The cycling podcast in association with Rafeh. From grand tours to group rides the shown Elise aid to coffee shops Rafeh exists to celebrate the world's most beautiful sports. Hello. My name's rich. I am with while Bernie, however chip. Wave and we are with Daniel free. Not physically with but not physically with you over the airway over there waves. I am physically with Lionel here where we live. We are in east London in not quite the shadow of the Olympic park, but we're in the athletes village, the old athletes village dates back to two thousand twelve when everything about per year athlete's village the Olympics were here and everyone was to mystic and unified. All right. This. These were the fleet's apartments. They certainly were over there when they are. Now, we are in cafe called the hand. Cafe my first time here. Yeah. They've they've they've done a nice job. Here is cool. We were here because we were meeting on a cyclist are their secret secret meeting rendezvous with a cyclist who's who's competing in the London six day. But that's for another time that conversation today, we're not covering this six days covering this mean dose likely, well are indoor cycling correspondent is currently America so difficult to count everything we do today. The difference Ruth discuss the twenty nineteen hundred French route was unveiled the smarting in the familiar ceremony in Paris, Christian Prudhomme, great things Indo psyches. Nice speculation no incentive out the route. So it was the same in that. It was the same. Oval. They just go around. Anyway, we should move on from indoor cycling. Yeah. Franz presentation presentations, a very familiar spectacle as well. Isn't a little twist have they presented the writers on stage. Like that before. I can't remember seeing the right is like a low rent fashion show, very some peculiar. I thought. The world of skinny jeans and kind of Europe fashion, isn't it? I mean, I'm talking here is at a middle aged man who no longer has to even gnawed in cursory direction of fashion. So what do I know? Who was just before we get into the news round up. I thought grapevine aromatic fritzy dashing in his cycling t shirt and suits called book. No comment from my point of view. Everyone was a clip still must literally by NASA do on his gold's respond one. What was the what I'm looking for not spandex? Gold law may law may lawn. With a with a very sort of. But just these extrordinary uncle high gold. News. Yeah. Well, anyway, we'll save serious stuff forbid Lee throng, can you give us us right up. Please Lionel besides this been owned. It has it's been busy the road season. The world tour road season is finally ended with a two of one she in China, Johnny Moscone of sky one that after winning the most challenging and the Hillier stage their stage win Sappho till and grow Aken, PASCAL Ackermann, Mattio Trentino and Fabio Yaacob son of quick stat. One a couple there that Japan cut which is not a world tour race. But it's kind of that really is the curtain cord of the season. Isn't it? The last race on the calendar row. Power Mitchelson, Scott one that ahead of antwon tow hook of lotto, JIMBO and that was power lost race before he joined sun web next season. The women's one day race there with one by Arlene Sierra of Astana, sheep, Hannah bones of canyon Schrimm the UCI will tour rankings therefore are complete and Simon Yates has topped. The rankings ahead of pizza gone out one hundred eight guarantors, Greg government UH, of course, one of to let the Chiro for a long time that way clocked up all of those points. Quick step one the teams cost of occasion. Well, ahead of team sky the women's world tours one by enemy van pollution transfer news being confirmed. Stephan Denzil of Akwa blue who are stopping of course, he's going to the CCC team, which is the EMC team. Now CCC Ben swift became back to team sky from team AA and transfer. We thought was off the cards with quickstep getting their new sponsorship Fernando Correa is going to team you a emeralds or are you a member? So I I'm finally on the transfer front where it's not a move at Mark Hamill. She's staying put DARA diamond in data. Daniel may have some Intel amount off the bike literally Stephen too young. The trek Sigfredo sports director gave his loved. Course for worry. When he went for riding his home in Girona and didn't come back when he was expected his wife put out an appeal on Twitter and some pro riders who live in the area, including including Robert hedge think like formed a search party went out to look for him. His straw file had stopped recording about sixty kilometers into the ride and that enabled the helicopter search team to narrow down where they were looking for two young, and he was found unconscious, but breathing in a ravine really nasty accident for young suffered severe concussion and said on Twitter that he hurt all over. But hopefully, he is now on the road to recovery. Speaking of sports, directors Johan, Bruyneel, former sports director of launch Trump's US postal and Discovery Channel team Donna back in the day. He's been giving a a life ban by the core of arbitrator for sport or other. They've held that life ban, and Brunell he was a ten year bonds they've increased so yes. So he's now being given. A life ban. Having been given a ten year ban appealed against sat but it's been extended to a life ban. He shoot a statement kind of slightly rambling statement, really, maybe we'll talk a little bit about that. Whether we whether we think that. Proportionate punishment for your hamburger Neil who. Of course with the sports director throughout all of those now deleted tour de France Spektr is by launch Armstrong. He was part of the inner circle when it came to Armstrong's doping indoor cycling down near the World Cup is back under way, you'll be very excited about this. The first round was the Paris velodrome. It's actually imperatives in San content on evening, just to the south west a little bit, low key, certainly British point of view. Well, in the pictures, I saw from there. Yeah. I've watched a bit of it. The outstanding team really were Arthur the dines who on the team pursuit the men's team pursuit. I call it the British in the final Lassie Hanson and Michael Merck who won the men's medicine, and I've got run station there is as I as I Donald Michael Moore cove, the Volta you either put on both his name's the Danish way or neither in which go, so he juice themselves. Michael Moore cove to me Michael Moore cove, we've been calling you Merck. Who'd he said, well a meal Mercu if you wanna go the Danish hog sorry line. This has been one of your favorites. Rules change the laws. I hope. Pull right anyway, they won the men's medicine an Amalie Derek and Julie left won the women's medicine for Denmark. Meanwhile, some outdoor winter cycling World Cup has returned to Europe after two rounds in the USA. My you've under Pol won the men's race and Marianna Voss won the women's race. Lots going on. Community around the world stories and films with the most compelling characters. The world's finest apparel. Explore the world of cycling with Rafeh. Thank you, very much, sir. Headline sponsor Rafeh for their continued support of the cycling podcast being getting some some emails from round for with some of the new explorer products in their explore range, really go, my heart set on explorer Dighton jacket for the winter as it gets a bit chillier fantastic. And I will be hopefully team delivery of one of them pretty soon. I'm gonna treat myself. I don't commit that Lionel suspiciously. Was that on an absolutely shameless coming? Ahead a little bit. Two little bit. They've gone. Address. It's like it's like having children. You can't send out one. Explore Jackie econo-, send out three. I'm an extra large. If I helps anyway, at least like a cracking arrangement ties in nicely to something. We'll be launching very soon. We keep teasing this line on the way Santa more the stage, or no, no, really don't know. We'd be next week maybe next week next week for more details about this. But it's very exciting. So chops France Ruth was an as we said earlier today will be asking you for your well dying. You be studying the the mountains in particular, the summit finishes, and sawed and but. And but I suppose the major themes were the hundred year anniversary of the yellow jersey using Kristoff was the first man to where that nine hundred nineteen. Why a yellow jersey does anybody knew the actual reason for the yellow jersey is this like the quiz show q. I and if I say, oh, well, it was a pilot. Newspapers thing came just thinking Stephen Fry here Sunday talks Vic, I was thinking. If I say, oh, the pay the color of the pages of the newspapers that sponsored slash owner. Right. So you're gonna know from kind of sarin, I'm not because I'm not even as with all these stories that are several different versions of the story. One is that there is a shortage of them fabric after the first World War and yellow fabric resume the available fabric. But Daniel, you might have another version of this story because as he signed that I'm getting mixed up between why in fact, I know that I'm getting confused by the story of why the guts, the sport is pink. And that was through the shortage of white paper on a particular day in the editorial office in Milan. And I think originally they went with green for. Yeah. They did get they went green for wall like Dayton eventually settled on pink. Consequently the race which was owned by like. Settled on a pink jersey, but the yellow blind blindspot this listen, very very very educated in the history of cycling. So if thirty theories I-, they are about using Christoph, we can agree was the first mentor and didn't like Felli he didn't want to canary. He said, and he didn't like the attention that brought him at the time. But it has persisted of Asli over the last hundred years, and they'll be a lot of commemorations. I'm sure next year of one hundred hundred restaurant answer will be for Edie. Mertz race starts in Brussels. And is exactly fifty years since Eddy Merckx won his first France in nineteen sixty nine very good year. I would have thought to be Annetta Merck's biographer Daniel. Yeah. Man recommend any good Eddy. Merckx biography Steiner. And I was gonna say I was going to calm, but nice probably deserves to our oldest colleague William Fotheringham. Anyway em. Yeah. Maybe sales a Hoy. So main what your main takeaways from the route? I mean, the the other the other headlines suppose are Christian predom- lashing against power meters. And at least the impression that this is a race with fewer he called her the highest tour ever, I think that's based on the the number of some finishes over two thousand meters. But there are fewer or category climbs, there are more second cat claims. And it does look as though they're trying to create a more slightly more open race. Yeah. I mean, if you look at the root, it's actually quite an unusual map. Isn't it starts in Brussels? Of course is he said rich not partly at least to Mark fifty years. Eddy Merckx his first victory in nineteen sixty nine. And then we've it's way south into basically trying to seek out pretty much the Hillier terrain in the country goes to lap launch devel- fee where. Instead of finishing. The what has become a semi regular finish. I used in twenty twelve when Fru weakens basically took the race apart. They're going to use goat track a gravity goat track following in the footsteps really of the Jiro which has been using gravity style climbs for probably a decade or so now, obviously back in the old days. They were lots of gravity roads. The two of the front would have gone over. And then of course, it comes across in a diagonal straight through the massive song trial to the pyramids time trial in PO and then across the south and into the outside the end and finishing up in Alabama on final Saturday before them the traditional last stage into Paris on the show release. I I'm my initial question was then marking one hundred years of the yellow jersey the marking fifty years of Eddy Merckx his first win. But they not really mar. Taking twenty years of launch Armstrong's first victory selective. Knowledge of history here by the tour de France, I'm being slightly mischievous. Of course. Daniel your thoughts on the to route while rich hot takes more outs. Impair knees. More skeeving more burgundy than bulldoze more puff daddy down. That's no awful. Say what I guess you wanna explanation? That's fine. Skis than south, and you know, I Christian highest toward FRANZ have. I think he was referring to number of some finish every two thousand meters. So yeah, that's not a lot of time spent around the coast more Bergen, even so we go to places like my com. Famous full. I mean, it's gone in in burgundy we completely shun the wind grain region off and Buddha and more puff daddy, snoop Dogg. Well, this everyone, of course, think back immediately to the nineteen ninety five source awards when there's a big war between west coast. Hip hop in east coast hip, hop that precipitated the events that precipitated the the tragic deaths of two Paktia core. Anyway, anyway, anyway. Time in the east his fence mall time in the eastern the west why spend no time in the west completely shuns the west this year. It is very one-sided through the front sided. Yeah. Yeah. Strange to mess such a huge chunk of the country at poll is as west as we will get. But really when you look at the map, it's it's an unusual so map. And I Don I impressed that looks from a logistical point of view slightly slightly more straightforward than some recent tours being a bit more serious rich. I did expect it's maybe a little bit more gimmicky than it is we talked about this a lot in last couple of years. The introduction of while gravel stages or Kabul stages. Much much shorter stages lost year or one was just sixty five kilometers another one hundred kilometers. There are short stages. Short mountain stays in particular in this tool this one hundred seventeen kilometers finishes on the term lay. Another to in the hours of a similar distance. But I thought they might push it even further I didn't know whether that to do with the the tour said, well, the generally designed about two years in advance not one year in advance several months in advance. There's not a lot of scope for Christian Prudhomme NASA to respond to what has happened in the previous edition. They're already well ahead with with planning next one all whether a decision has been made the last year's ultra short, stay just didn't didn't work. Well, I mean, I was just thinking back to those two stages earlier on on air customers that if people didn't know the length of the stages they that memories of those days would not really be altered or influence in any great shape in any great way. By by the fact, they short stages. They look tool intents and purposes, like normal mountains, just just a little bit more intense. Little bit more entertaining for the view. It was concerned. But there has been I think a decision made short stages are on the way to go to a certain extent. But they're not gonna keep getting shorter and shorter. I mean, the thing I most enjoy I think about the presentation is back on the previous tour keep wanting to call it the previous year's tour seems like so long ago, but this year's tour and really reliving some of the the moments of that race. And when you watch the highlights, and of course, they've been selected by ASO. There was quite a big emphasis in the highlights on the cobbled stage, which produced such drama, you know, very emotional win for John kkob and their other movements. He'll he'll Burs crash some footage of him actually in the reveal which I I hadn't seen at the time. And the gritted star, of course, which was a bit of a damp squib. And then show it hidden show the point which credible. I was very very disappointed to see no grit star all stage, you're going to be great stars this year after the roaring success last year. But when you yeah, I mean, they didn't they didn't linger on that footage long enough to see Luke Karoo move from the back to the front in the first couple hundred meters. You're not not wasn't a great success. But given the, you know, the cobbled stage did serve up such drama last year as you say or this year, rather as you say Daniel, no real gimmicks. Are you know stages like that too? Wet appetite 'em with off road sections cobbled sections. There's no grit star. There's nothing quirky really looks like on the face of it perhaps other than that. When you finish it launch the bell fee, but not just adds an extra of claiming to the stage. And I think the announcement of that will be time bonuses at different points along the route potentially on climbs as well, which which might tease people out to Ray slightly differently. I think this is we've we've done this. Well, since we started the podcast. I'm we've done our snap reaction to the two to France. Through and in common with my kind of dislike of speculation. I've said this before so I labour this point. But I do think that the the whole the whole theater of the of the front through unveil need, a massive revamp. Because very very little about this. Route was any surprise to me this morning when the the yellow line will around France on presentation and that because well a number of years ago now a guy runs website Cuvelai wire put together some serious flu thing and journalistic skills to pretty much piece together the to France, route by scouring the web sites of local newspapers in France and digging information here, and there and has done a very good job for I would say coming up to a decade now of spoiling Christmas fourth in a way, and he's not the only one I mean, just for the the room of what the root might entail. But I think it's lost something in in the big reveal. I was watching it on the train into London today. Very familiar. I think I I went to the tutor from route presentation twenty years ago in one thousand nine hundred nine and very little is actually changed about the way the route is unveiled and that my first point is perhaps that needs a bit of a shake-up napalm when you were a child many years ago. Did you do use to rummage around and your parents would drive under that bad for Christmas presents today's Christmas? No, did you always know that. Did you always know where the piece of colon Satsuma were hitting and deliberately avoided? Yeah. It's a really interesting question. Because now I didn't actually and also win presence with under the tree. I didn't go and shake boxes and fail the packaging and try and guess Lionel's Christmas presents were revealed on Vella wire in the weeks leading the weeks. Chris. As a slide show and just click. I mean, the internet wasn't invented when our child fool, but I do think that, you know, up in pondering nation and people you see snap reaction to the rue. Oh, it's same old same old. It's looks like a joe-marie LeBlanc tour with a week of a team time trial and a week of sprint stages in into the climbs the mountain. I mean front geography of FRANZ is restricted to the geography of FRANZ, nevertheless, one thing. I've I've suggested jokingly as a third of France with no high mountains, I mean, this is this isn't that you know. I mean, this is clearly an attempt, isn't it? I mean, this is the way the tour has been going as an attempt to favor the French writers the bar days. The far gills Pino May Allah Felipe. These guys know I deny rich. I mean, I think the the commodity they aim for most of all over and above everything else. It's suspense now. And I think that they trim and they tweak until they've got roots, which they think is going to deliver suspense on the in the last week, and you know, econ controlled up to a huge extent. And in a way, it's the writers in the teams themselves not have created suspense, but riding inequality defensive way or conservative way every lost few years, and we have had generally major tools which have been open going into lost two to three days. But I don't know to what extent they're looking at ball days tear sticks. And suddenly after a tool the tool that he? This year where he really kind of slipped out of the the circle of likely winners. I would say this year. I think they'll be slightly less hype regardless of how well he's early season goes in two thousand nine hundred think he's slipped out of this top three four five names of palpable windows, gonna say rich before launching into my my monologue about about sort of the the modern world, we wanna put it that way. I think that that we always we're under pressure to declare whether it's a good route or a hardware or which riders will shoot. I think the last six seven years of shown us the tool root shoot team sky. No matter what you do with it. And I can't see a great deal changing between now and next July to suggest any different. I think it's not so much that geographic sense of where the race goes. It's more. I think if if time bonuses were at, you know, maybe. Be a little. A factor that would shake things change the way the racist written. I don't think you can change the way the racist written by looking at the geography of it. The two of the front will be the two of the fronts for another hundred years. And the the flavor of it the sense of it will be broadly, the same some years, I will experiment a bit more than others. I look forward to really is is. Is that sense of suspense as the race goes on? I mean, there is there is a lot of climbing pretty much climbing all away from LA planche devel- fee with with a couple of couple of exceptions. They they've tried to make it, you know, a race that will again on paper be harder to control perhaps, you know, a long stretch through the massive song trawl there, and then a time trial my or may not prove decisive, but because it's kind of in the middle of the race. It's not going to be not going to loom in way that we've seen in the past where you know, either confirms the winner or the race hinges on. It's it's quite interesting in that sense. Just on the the mountains napalm general point 'em. In regard to to approve them said about it being highest ever. And how high is this talk compared to other tools couple years ago? We spoke quite law about that year's Jared tooth. Thousand sixteen Jiro being the grand tour will equal the record of times over two thousand meters. It went over two thousand meters ten times, and this is going to two thousand seven times, which is a lot for the tour de France. Well, it's high. I also. Pay more attention. These days to the length of the clubs particularly having covered. The last couple of years of become aware of how different the welter has become the length of the climbs. And you hear writers these talk a lot about the length of efforts. And in in a way, I think the three grand tours in the in nature diverging more more anger, the welter at one end of the scale with very short and steep climbs. The other end of the scale is gera- with very long climbs. And then the Tories right in the middle. And just just looked climbs over ten kilometers and the only seven I or special category. Climbs over ten comes in Hove well to last year in the tool. Next year. There are going to be twelve and the JIRA is going to be announced next week on Wednesday. But that route was already been pretty much hamlet tenets entireties. Well, and I think they're going to be fifteen climbs of over ten kilometers in the last week alone in the jurors that shows you how different. The the rice is not. It's obviously a factor when you come to look at the contenders. I think the the welter lost year. There were probably ten riders. We thought who could win the welter before the race started. And but I think we've seen lost for years the guys who can recover well and perform well time and time again on the long climbs probably only three four five of them shoot. Titling team cars the back of the tax fleas. 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Route one of the the headlines was Christian predom- coming out quite strongly against parameters you've been around a bit don't mean ten cell. But a permit is really changed racing thing is is this just a headline from predom-. Or is it is it is it is it something he can do to really affect this. Discussion for quite a while. I mean, the as you know, has been pretty close to these guys. Probably belong to the old school camps who believe that. Probably remember for the year equipments and all the problems in the past. He was behind the ban on among others. But he was a monk. He was the guys who were against any form of. Helping the Rodgers JR. During the race thinking, that's risers shouldn't shrine on instinct, so your your remember probably last year in in the wealth was last year or two years ago two years ago. But anyway, it's always the same problems Spanish press was very very it was kind of a made up control Versi, but still saying guys like Contadora or even just banners general try to ride on incidents and following their feelings and sessions, you know, where where resume and since guy and others they claim ride with their eyes glued on their power meters. So my opinion on that as is I have none. I think army are great for training. And I tend to agree with the fact that the might be responsible here. And that might be true. Is that these days with all the guys, you know, racing without power that there is on that when they reached it like the risk foreign twenty whatever, you know, they tend to to think, oh, I can I can get any faster. So they tend to kind of curb themselves and and the. Old days tax on feeling on incidents and trying to feel the body, and they tend to not to do it anymore. And in a way, some guys thing that maybe the reason why we don't see during the tax in the mountains anymore because well, you know, the guys don't trust their feelings and don't listen to the poverty, but but. But but take away. So is that true wrong might be you'll be of this can you stop the logical Lucia so difficult to say in tennis. For instance, you know, coaching is something that's not supposed to talk to your coach or even look at him or her during play because you're you're you're you're your own man on the on the colts going along the same idea that the writer should be in sales. You know by himself on the bike without any. Exterior health. Many Tommy two can be considered the exterior help or coaching. It's tricky to ban them altogether is crazy that a great Joyce using training. We asked you asked whether the way they almost because I don't think. Jeffrey now is that we are going to return to we're going to seek some opinions from people in the sport over the next week. Certainly I mean briefly on that they're always being calculating writers having their from on Qatif, injuring they've written as if they've had power meters. You know, the just a certain style of writing suppose, and it leads onto, you know, one of the points you made at the turn of fronts. This year was the the course is secondary to the basic fact of grunter enter franchising is the claimer don't generally win. It's an exceptional year when claimer wins a grand tour is generally had time trial win grant. This course looks like one design for well. In particular, a group of French writers. Wh what's your reaction to the course? And how does it compared to previous years? I think I think it's because it's the perfect consumption. And stuff on conform is very classical. We're going to get him. Yeah. He's also very famous and traditional classic trying. We're going to do. In Sunday Chen, or the all all this is familiar to going to a gun. Familiar, and so that's the all school for something. And in the same time where you know, there's the tenants center shorter stages specially in the mountains. So that's nice and also the disbalances critter is really looking for what three twelve more mountain stages in those are in the message salt Hasso he said himself that he thought strike the right balance between the false Nazis. So in this way. Yeah. The the state is in the specially look at plaza. Seniors not become a classic. Thanks to predominates is obviously mountain likes very much. Remember that used to spend his holidays there when he was young. Maybe that's the emotional psyching loving, the boy, you know, choosing to go back there intriguing. The stages to set the stage to such a general in the but you some others. You say the finish is obviously not to hold thing. It's also looks like predom- because he doesn't like to time trials. He always said he wasn't Greg fan of Charles. So so he's he's still is true to his his desire to to have fewer time trials and in the tour as we've seen in the best, even when you just talk trial. You seem don't really have time win the tour. So will it affect outcome, Missouri? Raise this year to be on this as you say we have home about where the diversion left with people will finishing floors. What we're Warren doggy when a stage, he's the French Rogers. I think is if you really look at the cost it's another one for teams guys, and it probably from so two nine saints on the basis of the cost on the Friday would be from our. But I think again the team to beat the one probably doesn't like the cost would be with. So it's all time trialing there for we carry on looking head to the the Tertre fronts next year. Tomorrow, we've got special treat coming for people. Something a little bit different cover Churchill and Kira mcvitie who've been keeping export diaries for us this year for friends of the podcast. And by the way, the final installment of s bar will be released next week. And it's really good. But they also went off to the red hook criterion. The thinks we'll criterium in Milan recently. And they've produced an episode that we've called the cycling podcast new brakes, and it's captured some of the the flavor of the atmosphere of red hook and Milanez are seen the some of you will be familiar with another's will not be familiar with the fact hole. It's kind of invoked people are talking about I suppose alternative types of races at the moment because education I and a few weeks ago, they'll be running an alternative calendar next year and some talk of some of their writers doing events like red who as well as some of the more unconventional races on the on the alternative calendar, the old calendar here, I wonder what Dan you Mike of people riding indoor bicycles outdoors. Against averse to it. I don't think for hang on same again writing outdoor bikes indoors or the other way around. No. I mean, basically trapped by. Tonight. Why flights? Foreign well that's coming tomorrow. The second podcast no break. So do have listen to thanks to Culver in Kira for together. And they've done a done a really nice job and being produced by Tamale has been nominated for an award. One of our several brilliant purchasers that we have working in the second podcast and terms award. I think for the episode he produced last year, and that was my day at the in the county jail team car the fronts, which they captured some of the drama and excitement of the of the day. But yeah, that's coming tomorrow. Speaking of cycling. Daniel you're Uber teat teasing me this week by a recent exploit of years America where you mice. Then even know I didn't. I mean, I think I've done about two rides in my life on strata and not what's your best performance. Your account. Remember the best. Five minutes. He put in on. Five to climb safe. What climb climb which one's on what you mean. Which ones I goes. What you want you want could references and the one that goes out of college. Bruyneel historian. Yeah. Remember that one? Oh, yeah. I do not claim. Yeah. Yeah. I remember going really really slowly. Just took it easy up. There any bind to the institute of France. And somebody who wasn't didn't seem to be there. Unless I miss him, Tom Danila? We'll see other presentation anybody see the Miller. Will he will? He be your mind the other day. Oh, it didn't know that that don't know that. Well, will he be will he be slightly disappointed with his turret not much time trialing for him to do his thing. He has suggested that he will focus on the third of France next year doesn't matter. I mean, you know, when you see the writing the world championships on the tour this year Jiro, do we obviously time trialing is what he's best on. But he's pretty good in the mountains as well. I mean, I think regardless of the route, and it kind of goes back to the point you were making line, regardless of the route. He's got to be one of the favorites for next year on the if you look at the trajectory that he's on. Yeah. Definitely he finished runner up in two grand tours in the same year. Then new he is undoubtedly in the the the list of the category favorites, I'm whether or not he would look at that thing. I. A few more time training coloma's possibly would. But then, you know, the the sorts of riders that you're going to be up against so good at time. Trialing? I mean, the the the people that might be a bit more please varies relatively little time. Trolling the the pure climate and not sentenced the balance. Is good. I think you know, there's no way where people can fish foods of time before heading into the serious business in the in the final week. I think more interesting question rich and more relevant homelands chances is who sky decide to get behind. I'm Chris free mode guarantee. All do they decide to get behind them. Again. They did offensively this year. I mean, we know that both of them getting to the end of the life cycle of a of a grand tour challenger, and usually the drop off at that age is quite can be quite certain saw that we've Miguel Indurain in nineteen Ninety-six. Everyone was absolutely send. They would win another one. And he came nowhere near in nineteen ninety six same the next year with beyond the racer the nineteen ninety six champion came back in nineteen Ninety-seven similar age. I think he was thirty two and again with nowhere. Not can happen age. So sky will have to be careful, but they do the right horse. If they do decide through twenty anoint one of them. What what do you think is likely to happen on that front? I think Eggen banal will be in team and my well-paid fat. I mean, I was stunned to see him back Ilam body. So soon after that terrible crash censure bastion way, really damaged his face and teeth terribly back racing aggressively tackling defense like nothing ever happened that really just said more to more than the physical strength. We know he has. I mean, clearly, very very gifted the when somebody has a really horrible crash like that, you do wonder will the the effects of that bay long lasting a couple of months, later knees. He's back, and, you know, taking the same risks again. And. I think the pros wa kind of was being deliberately contrary when he talked about sky kind of using our knowledge of what caused during the mountain stages of this year's tour about I think that experience will stand him in good stead who no longer be tabby to no longer be new for him. And he might still very young. He may be ready to step out of the shadow. You're some difficult decisions to make sky, really. But next year, and they do because you've got the Jiro to the fans as well. From is not going to go back there. He's certainly focused on matching that record of five wins. Guarantor Mus is gonna want to go back to to defend his title egging, burn out. You know, it might be the the save him for the Welte as you say line having him in the team this year accounts, not him in the team next year. It would be you know, if your news to spite your face to not have him in the t. Mm-hmm. And by think it'd be that he would be leading the team perhaps at the tour. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I can't see Garin Thomas Winning the tour again. But then I couldn't see him winning the first time. So I think it's it goes back to the point that I've made a lot that for all the having the strongest team only really matters. If you've also got the strongest writer, you don't win the Tertre France just by having the strongest team, you also need to have the strongest writer and every time they've won the tour sky. They have had the strongest writer the real interesting point will come next year. If demeanor say is stronger premiums, raw glitches, whereas guy who trajectory needs thing. This still the still room for improvement. There you still feel he's getting better. There will come a point where there's a writer in the race stronger than team sky's leader. And at that point. I don't think the strength of team sky. By collectively will matter dot could come next year. But I have a suspicion that Chris from will be will will still be capable of winning the tour next year. Maybe maybe for the last time, you know, I think his decline will come and it might come after next year riches while the house. Chewed is going to be a factor. We don't wanna probably explore until two people the coaches and so forth every few months to find a bit more about who is likely to cut better with outs cheaper. I remember that that GIO in two thousand sixteen when they go over two thousand meters ten times what a big topic of conversation. It was among the teams. And I remember I stepped on China's who led Jaren look I was gonna win it until the final day. He told a lot about how he was favored by and the number of high altitude climbs, and he think of these our own so it's the highest in Europe two thousand seven hundred and seventy meters at the back end of the race and riders tend to say that the altitude you begin to feel the effects of over two thousand meters. Another almost our of climbing over the best parliament, our climbing off the two thousand meters. So it's going to be huge factor. Not dying. The will be some guys who will who will struggle. And it will enjoy that at all. But all issue speculate. My views on speculation what we do know is in a sort of culinary and cultural sense says plenty keeps entertained I'm looking forward to Francois Thomas French flavor as we round. Well, we don't get round FRANZ through we sort of we sink to the bottom then climb halfway back up again. But in the first week, I'm looking forward to to a nineteen or possibly ramps which Costa to great homes of champagne, then quiche Lorraine nosy. Richard after lap launched Belfi. Will we be staying in Lear again, which is where we stayed in the? With the German who who basically litter a wild bonfire as a barbecue. And we we we didn't like the look of. Well, I you notice as pointed to the the fire they'd lit for the barbecue. And. An trying to you know, wetter appetites for you. You're not was missing finger became convinced that he doesn't she chopped off his finger and preparing the meat barbecue. And so you decided that we shouldn't risk the barbecue at Tyne had a terrible Millan tired instead came by the finer colleagues and from lemoyne's purring and patting their stomachs having enjoyed what they said was a delicious barbecues an error. But no, I will try not to go by to lure. Well, this is the story from our book a journey through the second year Christmas present one or other virtual that particular Danu mentioned Mackel some great wines around there and then heading all all the way towards catchy lay area. At too great towns of Castilla to lose them for spread out. She. I m favorite wondering regions FRANZ, nobody. Well, known the coastal the name. We were we enjoyed some of the Welte when the world started in last year, but I'm looking for to again. Well, we haven't gotten there yet. We've got to go through the pyramids and Francois's little. Sorry. Yep. Yep. Yeah. He does. Yeah. Don't why don't why it's I mean, you could you could probably count across. And we'll meet you there, but three from cycling point of view, some interest and at ten of course, seen of Bernardino crash in nineteen eighty five and also the place where they've Brill's for twin to try and become a professional cyclist and ten in the young man, I'll be where Alexander new one famous time trial in two thousand seven was it where he was buying caress percent story about the Alltel well to lose where my communist wanna station thousand. The third went to to lose a name. No, no attorney. But the the wealth, of course, star there last year, and it was a Contassot place. And it was interesting predom- reference that you know, because. Okay. The the tourist starring there, but as a tired it was a great host for a bike race on the following day. They stayed who star opponent guard. And I mean, if you've never been seen. It's a stunning to story could across the river, Roman dot com. Remember well holiday that went out about eight years old and remember back in the thirty five years since I'm looking forward to seeing the pony guard again and then into the Alps for not following a good Hof week of melted cheese. Excellent. Podcast is supported by science in sports, science and sports fueled by science. So the question this week for child science sport is from Sudan crou- Hanson from Denmark who asked about the the window post exercise. They open window to the muscles after training during the first thirty minutes. This idea the the window for refueling for starting recovery is the first thirty minutes after finishing how much effort does it. Take to keep that win the open how much effort does it. Take to open a real that window. Thanks for that question. Interesting. One person the point is the actual optimal window for recovery. Isn't just the first thirty minutes and actually extends for several hours after exercise. 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So we'll be able to release it in some form or other. We're working on but really to mystery gas on the night as well. But we aren't thinking show a couple of weeks later in Cardiff on November twenty seven this David's hole, and they're still about thirty tickets left for believe maybe four thirty four. And if you're poor cast dot com. Live events you'll be able to buy tickets through that site. And as I mentioned already we've got friends of the podcast episode come next week. With Calvert Churchill and curbing final installment of their sport diaries, one more friends special to come this year in a few weeks. We'll give you details of that soon. We've covered the tour think for twenty nineteen the more speculation. But some hard news this week with a well, I guess the the biggest story happened overnight with Mark Cavin dish confirming that he will stay with the mention data after rumors of him leaving barring marito's mentioned they're having some issues of team. He will have a new role the team on this or management group. Daniel Dino, much more about how this is come about. I'm not a huge amount rich. We spoke few weeks credit way about how this was the big surprise. Because. As far back as the spring comes pretty emphatic about the while the likelihood of him leaving the team. Negotiations going anywhere. And yeah. Since the announcement, they still suffering from Epstein ball virus in the late summer the skull together against talking and the the bar thing. Fell three on. Yeah. Is back for another year. I mean. He certainly, well I didn't any secret that he would like to be involved in managing team when he finishes his career whenever that might bay. Whether it's going to be the same structure as his current dimension data team, we didn't know, but this is a sort of a pointer in that direction, isn't it? Yeah. It is. And I mean, the the fact is he still presumably thinks he can do plenty on the by coming. He's he's it's baby steps back on back into training for the moment. I think but. Anyth- recovery from Epstein Barr. Sometimes he's a straightforward as as just recovering from a cold or something. It's a serious virus that can link. So it remains to be seen. Just you know how. How he goes in the early part of next year. But he must still think that he can get close to that record. The Eddy Merckx hold of the thirty four tour stage wins I mean, four adrift at the moment of eight calling five drift of breaking it. But if he didn't think he could do that he wouldn't he wouldn't have the motivation to carry on. And the fact that he's staying data and all of his own Terao staying as well. And if there's a a wrestling for control in that team, well comedy kind of one it hasn't. He. The m I haven't seen them publicly say that he's going for he wants record. It's it's very uncommon. This thing to do. But he has he did say that in the teams on press release that says that says bake remaining goal for somebody over says it winning one sage tourists is enough. I was quite surprised to see him state. Not quite so explicitly just on subjects have renewing contracts champs. Why is this is this American? Yes. In the post Danielle? Okay. I mean, she is this American verb to re up. I'm just reading reports. Now, I'm reading stories about Kevin this become the stale American websites talking about reopen about night palm. No. I don't approve of God, we cleared up. Well. When when somebody resigns. Hi, sorry. It says reason resigned for re re comedy resigns. I mean, I can understand where it real would come from as a as an alternative to getting it being unclear with re-sign read something else. I object to is recon the recon and over wreck for recognizer Recode recording everybody talks about recording. I don't approve wrecking sort of military phrase. I was really hard enough not Gaviria to you a diner. You said when I when when we talked about the new sponsorship at quickstep and securing the future of the team and a loving country to keep his roster writers together, you said that you thought give either main still go to you a and so as proved on a three year contract, it'll be I think it'd be really interesting to see. How he gets on there because it's not a team where writers tended to go on got better. A few examples of of quite the opposite happening Lampre team isn't effectively on it was a similar as lime pre where writers when and generally didn't get better or worse. Whereas it quickstep the opposite appears to happen. And so give area writer really at the top of his game. I think he'll be really really interesting to see how he gets on there. And whether he can be the man to revive that team's fortunes. I think Patrick favorites. Playing some kind of elaborate seasons long game of chicken. But it's great again, you know, just getting rid of sprinters isn't a braille printers, and you know, they enjoyed great success. And then they they they leave. I mean, just look it up team Kissel Cavin dish and the accommodated one really good year. Dimension data the Turkey, France. But he's never let somebody go and they've gone on to from Benton. I don't think correct me if I'm wrong could be exception to that rule. I mean, I'm starting to think even I could on our quickstep skin suit and win a couple of quick sets. It would be a squeeze winner. Ray? Wriggle? It will be very interesting to see how he does not least because I think we've touched on this before this year just when he told people about Veria we I've sent a bit of a note of coercion. When some of his people who admired him and admired his emergence have lost her for years. You know, they talk about how he needs to keep his feet on the ground. And it just has sounded times some alarm bells have been starting to ring for whatever reason. Whether it's the the pressure of fame and celebrity or. Lifestyle. I have no privileged information on this wall. So maybe maybe imagining things, but. Taken out of context the quickstep team, which is just suing. Everyone was enjoying great success. Everyone was winning didn't seem to matter. He put into that system into a context which. Is no enjoying science same success? And some writers have before in that crash on the country when they moved to that team. It's going to be interesting to see what trajectory. Gaviria tixx the next few months. Suddenly, willow sleek forward tennis writer that we the mystery writer who we met earlier here in this very Caffey. Lionel said the new season is almost upon this very little opportunity for others to take much of a break now. And he is he is getting on with with with training working hard for next season. Just finally before we go. We didn't mention like horse by the toilet fronts, which are mentioned from Christian predominance. It's been reject again for twenty nineteen we'll be covering this in much greater detail on the second podcast Femina in the November episode, but. Last years into sages. It's something something else. It's a long circuit race in poets. They're using the time trial circuit earning five lapses about hundred twenty kilometer road race, and again difficult to know whether that is a step forward or step by step sideways. It's. You know, I think they're looking for a competitive race. I think it was a brilliant race last year. But those two. Van Blitzer under Bragan are are really hadn't shows of everybody else at the moment. And maybe something a bit more open next year. We'll we'll see if happens details, of course, tend to come a little bit later on in terms of time as and so on will the time trial on that day pop star to little bit later a loving the women to right at least in the in the middle of the day. Or will it be a very early start on the race finish as this year long before the time Trump gets underway. We don't know yet. But I'm I'm sure we'll find out. Yeah. Changing again, I'm sure they'll be a range of views as to the the changes for next year. We'll try and canvas some of them further cycling podcast Femina. But in the meantime, I think us for this week. Thank you very much. Thank you, Richard. Thank you Daniel. Thank you. You've been listening to the cycling podcast follower some Facebook. Instagram Twitter, a new tube to keep up with the latest news and special offers from us just search online for the cycling podcast. This episode was entity produced by John Mooney.

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48: Our Giro stage 3: Stars and Watercarriers

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46:21 min | 8 months ago

48: Our Giro stage 3: Stars and Watercarriers

"You're listening to the podcast at our did or the time brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans built for small businesses. Today we add in Tocchet says you say load says you say sad. He's a final which tended hungry Richard. We're in Hawkeye. Sounds very like the Scottish? The new I can see I can see it was sold out what we've gone from. Godollo to talk I and well they should just completely off the track as far as I'm concerned. This is napalm. Did you enjoy your lovely? The lovely short transfer. We had last night and finish the stage in Budapest another night in Budapest. Lovely dinner last night. Short drive to the star mean this. Jiro this is designed beautifully. Long stage though. Isn't it locked driving today calling everything? Perry through some of the most beautiful beautiful regions of Hungary or indeed Eastern Europe. Three the vineyards of eager to talk. You've always wanted to go their world famous for its sweet wine. I'm looking at my window. Doesn't rush cost excellent now. Greg staife on Lionel imagination the vineyards of hungry the fields of wofford is not not too much of a leap is it maybe. I should be printing out the vistas and sticking them a mile war so I've got some authentic scenery to look at as we record the. What do we have coming up in? Today's episode was a special one really. Well they're all special obviously and we're doing something a little bit different today. Were revisiting a classic Film Stars and Water Carriers which followed the nineteen seventy three years tire. Qua- Noteworthy Jiro for several reasons. One of the main reasons was because the Danish filmmaker your Latte was there filming making documentary both and It's a fascinating film. We have an interview with your gin his a fascinating character in this episode before we go to the tail of the Tapa. I should also say that we've ventured into film ourselves and from today at Monday you can get. If you're a friend of the podcast you can watch our first film. It's called and so we wrote and it follows conor. Dan and Laurie war on their great adventure from a couple years ago when their team went bust in the middle of the season they took off into the arts. And so using some footage from the right and interviews with the pair of them. And we've together forty minute film and is available free for friends of the podcast you'll be emailed and if you sign up in the next month as a friend that podcast you can watch the film you can sign up at the cycling. Podcasts DOT COM and more information on that in the show notes but can you give us the tale of top Lionel. I can indeed. Well Daniel being the contrarian he as was taken Algerian completely the opposite direction to the way mirror. Venue with hoping to take the real thing. We should have been traveling southwest towards Croatia instead. Daniela turn to surrounding the road and going up towards the Slovakian border to talk high underneath the brow of big biggest mountain. Keiko's did you notice the and well. This will be the first episode of our Jiro which we don't hear from our venue. Not because we've fallen out with our separate ways. He's headed south. West and Wigan Northeast. Why are we headed in this direction? This wine country in Daniel. This is your other great passion. I'm not saying cycling's one of your other great passions. But this is one of your great passion Yesterday's lineup as I said we're going to talk. I very small town. Sleep at his world-famous particularly for sweet wine. I'm not going to try to Educate Richard on the intricacies of sweet wine making and Noble Raw Detroit. Sweet no Richard No. It doesn't always curious that palm you mentioned the highest mountain in Hungary question for Richard is higher or lower than Nevis. I'll be higher it's noise low arenas and I think he's one thousand thirty four meters and Ben Nevis is one thousand three hundred and something. I think while you you mentioned the climbing relatively flat stage but our Jiro on the odd. Gt Platform has managed to simulate the only lump on the course today. So let's go over to the course and see how well the elephant WOFFORD is getting on stage. Three of the Jiro. Jiro thirty eight kilometers. Finishing near Takei in the hall of Hungarian. Wine country Down nearly free knees channeling the spirit of Vincenzo Toy army because if this a stage where improvise Takia? You're listening to the Sakhalin podcast at the Iowa. D'italia brought to you by I walk. Flexible loans built for small businesses. I W. O. C. Those Co dot. Uk We are very grateful to our title sponsors. I walk an award-winning finance company. That specializes lending to small businesses. They have issued more than one billion to companies ranging from startups to salvage businesses. I walk in land between five thousand in two hundred fifty thousand pounds on by making quick and easy to apply for a loan and get quick decision. It can be a more flexible option than approaching the big banks. I walk are also very into cycling sponsoring the Kendall Cycle Club based on the edge of the Lake district cycling podcast. Of course for more information on I walk I go to I walk. Dot Co dot UK. I remember it was. It was an acquired taste really. It took me a couple mouth food to really get into it but outgoing your second-place join a bit like peddling a big gear the first couple of repertoire. Tricky but then once up to speed I racing through the the meal the night before shooting shocking lack of imagination. Eight in the same place two nights in a row well. There was a good reason for that. There wasn't a struggle to find anywhere. There was open lost night so we were in an American Restaurant Hotel restaurant when we yeah and it was but it was very nice and we had local food local wine which was very nice as well. Yeah thanks very much. To Friends of the PODCAST. Well I see where it the exchange rating at the point. My ordered the wind the the one that was recommended to me Yeah I mean traveling. To other countries you know getting to grips with a little bit of beautiful moment where you thought you haven't got to grips of exchange. It's not like real money. Then we did the sums. We we worked out that that was that was quite an eye watering bottle of wine. It was very nice. Podcast DOT COM. If you'd like sign up as a friend of the podcast or that might be the last bottle of wine of Jiro. I think wash it explain. We were in June gloom there for the twenty eighteen Jiro. The Star of the Chiro Unite Lionel Walker loans to podcast having blown their budget within two stages one one St. Well Yeah not my coming on the very unlike the buffalo to stampede in well the moment of realization for me was when I looked at the food menu realized they all the tissues her about two pounds and I looked at the wine menu and realized that the wine heat ordered was ninety pounds. Yeah you am. Yeah you thought one point you thought. The food must be impossibly cheap like not not point five but sadly that wasn't the case and it was very very nice bottle of wine nice. Yeah Nice wasn't actually. I would say it was nice. Yeah it was nice. The waiter was very assistant that we do remember. He was particularly. John pulled up the line so anyway he'd had some your pre euro tasting notes from ged. Of Your I knew that he was. This is a really discerning during fat. If I remember correctly it was a red wine. Wasn't it was read widely Tinton so for the sake of mine of the cycling PODCAST Algiere? We've got the gym Ransack Seera from Corona winery in Traditionally known for both blood wine. This particular series is really concentrated. Warm Oriental spices almost permeate through with us who have chocolate and plum tobacco after-taste and certainly a little more sophisticated than the Bulls of old. But definitely that big luxurious red wine. That's aged in. Newark giving it that softer Caramel veal. Enjoy Our friend Greg Andrews Divine Sata's said. We've got the in front of us haven't we the Shumar Chuck share on CR Hungarian police please. There's an emergency. What what what do you make of it? Well First Impressions Rich. I can't Nice I'm glad concierge gloss glossed drinking yourself. Looks like an absolute aberration. Napalm stink quite. Well it's a crystal wind gloss. Daniel Anyway Napalm thoughts straight to share the is nice example. I'd say no good example of a shares as you can see drifting down the road on the northern road. You could be an l me Taj. Your signed Jones there for someone like that. Richest drinking straight from the bottle medium bodied there but tobacco. Typical share us very good. Read Thirteen hundred lovely accompaniment for an a relaxing evening watching a cycling film isn't it? I should have ended our route. Today are Jira would've taken so right past the front door of this of this vineyard or this winery. So let's get the film on so we trump's they start a water carriers directed by the Danish filmmaker Yoga N- led the fifty six zero the Talia the tour of Italy cycle race which this year has been extended for the first time to a semi tour of Europe. Three thousand seven hundred forty six kilometers in twenty days. The tour of Italy starts in Belgium. This is the first time. A cycle race has been routed through the month. Long tunnel eleven kilometers long. All other traffic has been suspended for an hour or so plots. Muzio ground on the sunny side of the field. Free WHEELS DOWN INTO LA Bella. Italian I know his last minute. Effort does not change a final results of the race number. One Mex mature Gimondi. I'm GonNa Three battleline better down the list number. Seven Ole Ritter and number eight winter. The race is over. He said goodbye to the team. Now he's on his own ready for other races a man with a cycle and pocketful of contracts. A man with a cycle and his own ideas of what he will accomplish with his machine. Well we got there a flavor of stars and water carriers which we've just watched which follows the nineteen seventy-three Talia from start to finish. It was unusual in started 'em outside Italy In Belgium we'll talk about that. Let's lay thrown But we're right here from your and let the director of that Film Now York unless his most famous clean circles for Sunday and Hal am his film from years later following Pirate Bay but he made other films by cycling the impossible our which followed Ritter's attempt at the world I records and orator was absolutely crucial to stars and water carriers hotness Danish writer and a great friend of yours and he also let made a film the year before stars. Walter carriers called Eddy Merckx in the vicinity of a cup of coffee. Have you seen that film? Daniel? I have not. I'm not sure I was even aware of it for her. It's a hard film to watch. 'em will here let mention it in. This interview is quite difficult film to get your hands on. It's north on Youtube. It's experimental film. As so many of his films are one of the first sports films he made was called motion picture which was a by another by the Danish tennis player. Torben Rick and let is eighty two now and he has for many years being a commentator on Danish television at the Tour de France. So He's been involved in fighting for many years but he makes lots of other films as well. He's a poet artist and a very interesting character. So let's hear from the organ last night came about because Rita suggested to me simply because she had just been recruited by the Yankee he knew I was referring maker. I knew Enbrel to fall at because I had planned to affirm about him in the early sixties and I admired him he came to me and and and suggested that I simply a common follow him and the Yankee team in that he has a the seventy three year deal. So that's how it came about. It was quite last minute in in in terms of came together in the end absolutely Ambra trigon saying was that he said if you come to cinematographer chew To the race I will take care. We will take care of you. Meaning Bianchi team would host us. There'd be no Expenses on that. So that's an incredible production that she took care of that way and he said we would be very well. Come on this letter coarser. The idea was he referring him and deep Yankee team but he didn't think that commercial a bit clicked in a way that we were there to film and this was long before Cycling Social and in the world of cinnamon doggone choice longer fall going there shooting a film of three race. What what did you want to achieve? What did you want to convey through the film? I was interested in The quality of astronauts and cycling fascinated by cycling. I had followed cycling Some years already. I had been cycling myself as an amateur. Who's I liked? It are fascinated by cycling more than the Texaco things. I've always been more interested in Missouri here more than the technical things but so that was brought me to and that was also. What was the pack of the style that I used to tell the soya about one bicycle rider in a team in a peak race? That's what it's about one not necessarily the biggest style all but one bike rider that I could identify with inside a team being card over with a favorite in the PK states race. That was the whole idea and I knew that I would tell some stories. That are different an anonymous because I was interested in in the poetry of the race and nobody else for us so I knew I had on stories to tell than the journalists that was clear and that has been clear for me always. What's interesting what she now is? You know I don't vs thing but there are no interviews was on something you ever considered including interviews as well as the the narration. Of course I was a I mean. I was in imperious filmmaker director Censor what I wanted to tell which way I wanted to show. I immediately rejected the idea of making an interview firm. I'm not interested in that and you can see it out in my later salt. I never do that. I never do not normal ordinary mentors. I'm trying to renew documentaries shower. Always I always have at different grasp on his Want to Redo the storytelling telling when I entered the professional sports. So you can see that. In all mayes sports firms was trying to take apathetic view of the sports poetic and mythological. We will squawk you tell the story my way and tell what I saw in the sport. I mean say there are new interviews but there are interviews. Very unusual unveiled revealing interviews conducted by a couple of the writers on the move with the microphone in the middle of the Palestinian cool. I think I'm sure I don't know what you expected from it. But it's incredibly revealing of in particular. Has He related to the LA writers? Yeah scrape concentrator. But you know that was an idea by the Rita. I could never imagine to be able to do that. Never I could never have dared to suggest that. It was all retailers idea. He said that's possible. I can do that. You give me a A microphone and you can drive slowly worker. My cameraman could drive slowly on the motorbike in front of him. That would be okay. So all arena was Playing a very very important role in the whole concept of this film never be possible any any time later. No No. It's it's an impossible songs especially the car to the microphone so dangling among the bikes and the wheels crazy crazy. Yeah and you know also not when you mentioned that You know what what already contributed to several things to the production. So in fact he's the real life producer behind. He made it possible in economic ways. Also I mean. It didn't pay money but he. He invited us for less before saying he suggested the motorbike. Man Pernet. So who is a friend of his? He hired him and what I think we paid. Maybe his fee but but that was his idea and then he lent me his car. Filo fall per show five. Oh Four. Which is the car we a car we see at the end. Isn't it with him? So you know I mean. He's in fact. He's the real user of the film he contributes more than The cost of all all the rest and we didn't have any fees or anything. We just did the film a Geo that was dominated by Anti Merck's obviously Bu- watching it. You get a strong sense that you're drawn to twenty Jose Manuel Twenty. Your sympathies were with him. Seems like winter very much? I hope sports with him. I always liked the attack today. I like night will town more than anybody else. You know I like the. It's like the offensive man. Who who who who? Who's a poet in the race? Who's creating his own race? I like that so naturally a here in this case. That was Eddie Max who was a power main power and then there's the rebel and of course. I sympathize with a rebel. That's a natural and for for me to develop it. That way was Merck's because he was dominant was he was he. I mean he features heavily in in Sunday in Hal as well it was he a gift or a curse to filmmaker. It didn't Christen any difficult. I must admit netease. He was very kind he accepted. We were there. He didn't know exactly up. What about my my sympathy for winter? But he was A. He's outrageous in a way because he wants everything and at the same time he wanted to dominate children's are clear but he didn't resent us he saw. No he thought it was great to have a firm. You remember seventy seventy-three though note films about this sport at all. Only the year before of us are short soundtrack who did course on tests. I'm just thinking I mean nowadays So complicated working with Aso. Rc S and so on were there any barriers in your way then or ritter. Open all the doors for you. I mean we're whether any negotiations to be. Hard with the organizers. No not really. I remember. There was no problems that the most important thing is that we were adopted by Ad- only by the team to young team that has a great prestige in Italy. As you can imagine with fisted you. Mondays their favorite. So I think that opened all the doors and they accepted us. It's it's Ju- to or raiders influenced directly. I mean it was highly respected and this is proof of it was highly respected. His talent does a writer his loyalty and basically everyone. Everybody was interested in in in having a film made about the race or the team so opened all the doors I met for Yantra. Never discuss with him. Anything not sense at all. It's amazing compared to the situation. Today we had no problems at all. No problem no discussions no contracts or anything. It was quite unusual cheeto in starting abroad. Wasn't they that? Jiro began in Belgium of his Senate was a it was a celebration of the European project wasn't early to do that. That has been more normal later years with the Tour de France and also with you still but this was first time. I think I think so. I don't remember us. It was the first time that they start in another European country. Yeah you you mentioned you know when T- and Kintana you've received cap your links with the sport and they've grown over the years. The sports changed the law but as the essence of it changed the writers changed. I don't think so I'm not so I don't know I think this is still great and still follow personalities. I don't I don't see a dramatic difference. You know I think still the same Stories of I tend to to see that the old wastage were maybe a bit more menti in the view of the stars and the chaos and WanNa cast by the way that title thousand overcast came also from older. I never heard that word before. But since strapped him been used always by everybody but I never heard work before all the reader to announce when we were planning I asked him once in an interview. I interviewed many times in Danish press and I did a book about him also and I asked him who has a right. And he he said under the water motorcars and he explained what Warren cast. Were and how that word came together. Simply writers getting and you see directly in the film scene with water cast in concrete. Way. You concede that movement is Guarino. Tosoh asks Merck's why not give the rest of us a chance and Mark Marxist I- Marxist reaction is is great is just fantastic. I six oh two great moment. It is a great moment important to credit or reiter with his innovative way to solve this to produce these situations that's fantastic. I think you're still friends with him. No are you. We have a yearly launch in. His home was a some artists He has a lot of friends who are artists and fact and he's he's okay he's well-to-do and he's he's a Nice House. He's still a big import of cycling equipment etc. He also has a house in New York as they cycling. Five cast at our D'italia he supported by science in sport. Sciences sport fueled by science. Thank you very much to. Scientists support our longest running sponsors and they are offering twenty five percent off to you the cycling podcast listeners at Sciences Sport Dot Com with the code. Sis CPI TWENTY-FIVE SACP Twenty-five. I've taken delivery of a lot of science sport products. Recently on I'll mention them over the course of our Jiro coverage so we heard there the with your Gilette about stars and water carriers a film that stance of time in in the sense that I really enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed watching it. I was interested to ask your guest what he was trying to do with it. Because it's not conventional storytelling. I suppose there are mentioned no interviews. It's organized in chapters. One of the most standard moments for me which we talked about there was when mid stage. Some of the writers began interviewing each other. And there's this incredibly revealing moment where one of the Italian writers grabs a microphone from another writer the writer who grabs the microphone as Guarino Tussle and he asks Eddie Marks and why do you not give the rest of us a chance and marks kind of laughs and tries to brush. The question often toes. Aloe is is very persistent. He says respond respond. The mark says while the translation of what he says is. You can say what you like. I'm indifferent which I guess you know. I don't Care Antezana what that is quite angry. Seems it's a really really interesting and quite revealing moment. It's a Jiro. That as mentioned began in Belgium Marx was really dominant. So the this are tension the drama and the race might have been locking. We get a a sense as viewer. That the real the guy who's who has let filmmakers sympathy is obviously old. Rhetoric is one of the main subjects but also Jose. Manuel Fuente the the Spanish climber who keeps launching these star of do or die attacks and Well let's said there. The his his his heart was with twenty. And you know he's one of these another interesting characters. But what did you to make the make the film? Well firstly Richard. I'd love to see in the risk assessment form for those on the bike interviews because the microphone cable is draped round ride to shoulders across some and they will rolling along in the road while lead interviews are being conducted. I was also really interested listening to your talking about how the film came about through. Old Ritter and the impression that he gave the film centered on him and yet Ritter Really. Only kind of appears halfway through doesn't they? The observation that is constructed in chapter disease is an interesting one. Because I think I'll probably watch this film. For the first time in the early nineties I would have bought it on a video cassette having seen an advert in cycling weekly in a way. It's a kind of visual template for probably twenty five years of the way. The the professional cycling was explained to an English speaking public. Got The team tactic dimension. You've got the athletic prowess dimension. You've got the bit about what the mechanics do. You've got the comparison between the bike doing the work the rider fuelling for the race. And it's a real stylized in all of the Italian and the things that really left out to me were the way they riding through the tunnel eleven kilometers with only little dot lights on the ceiling. Amazing the the the Writers Union would be arms. That for a start. The sentence cycling tactics really. Aren't that much different today than they were. Then Eighty Merckx Martini team. You know they. They're in everything on they man in the break when Eddy. Merckx is in a break. They've got. He's got teammate. In that bits waves teammates a riding on the front setting the pace. Basically they writing like boring policemen. Just as we see from team any Austin to Francie stays and The section on the riders salaries as well as really really interesting hearing the team. Budget was around one hundred and seventy five thousand pounds and that was roughly in line with what the British transfer record for. Footballer was at the time so gives an impression cycling even then kind of poor spor incompassion to Certainly football and then lastly the looks of Italy. Self you know a beautiful country now a beautiful country then some of the scenery looks like it could have been The the background four scenes from the godfather and dusty gravel roads as well a lot of the mountain passes looked very gravelly dusty and just thinking back to him as I have with mechanics last year about whether the the grand tool should go off the beaten track and see counties gravity roads if some kind of invention no. This is a sort of return to the sport was all about the forty odd years ago on the subject of money briefly. Eddy Merckx getting foes and Pines a day to ride apparently and Roger Development was eighteen. I'm sure Roger Developing Rahab. Obviously rich watching the film. I my my tension with kind of drawn to Merck's Neem itchy. Get Him in In that film I think it's worth Barry Mind. Nineteen seventy-three Although physically might been stronger sixty nine seventy three was the was pretty much the peak of his domination in also in the sense that In one thousand nine hundred seventy three. Of course he skipped the toward France is never it was never fully explained whether it was explicitly because the Tour de France asked him to stay away but it did stay away and we think that that was what had happened and he he wrote the Jira obviously as the favourite but you know barely mind. How dominantly wars at that time? Fuente was riding and he's holes demeanor not chewed It becomes even more sort of beguiling. The previous nine hundred seventy two gear went had come in and he'd said that he was gonNA put Merck's out of the time limit on the stelvio which was about as ridiculous a statement of intent as you could possibly imagine and then you know they'd go into the mountains in the south of Italy and and Fuente beaten him on blockhouse and an looked as though he might per a decent challenge in that year and then the next morning. I mean they sort of sums up you. Will we talk about right? It's being flaky now. The likes of you know. Sometimes we get upset that Cantona's attack on every mountain stage or others like him a on one of the key mountain stages that year. He and his teammates went for ice cream about five minutes. Before the start of the stage developed stomach problems early in the stage amongst took five minutes album because basically that fancier gelato before the stage. And why know understand? That was pretty typical of of of Wenteh. Really defied logic defied common sense the launching nasal making these ridiculous grandiose statements what he was going to do to marksman when I when I write my book on Eddy Merckx. Saint you'd want to go to from and he talks about as one of the big. The big challenges that thrown down the Gauntlet to marks. He said you know were all very flawed whether it was Kanye with the flaming said there were three writers who could potentially trouble. Merck's in major tours. One was Powell who is a big talent. But he's a bit crazy or at least not very professional. Then you have Kenya. Who must have a great physical gift to do what he does? But he's always in the disco off the criteriums and the is as brilliant climbing but also at smoking heavy cigarettes and drinking cognac. On taking him found Fateh means apparently as well as is another thing that he was famous for Retard. Very Young Twenty Nine F one ten. He died fifty after kidney problems. But he also I read an and another book the The seventy three of Franz. You've heard this story Daniel. He demanded that no one talked to him for seven days and apparently managed to stick to that he. He's a kind of one of these beguiling Daniels conditions fit. Sounds like Carrie Anka. I mean he's got these kind of these cheekbones in these sunken eyes in this kind of upright position on the bike. He is a real contrast to mark. Who in the film is described? As kind of just stem each just thrashing away at the Front. It seems you know you mentioned his teammates. Daniel the impression your life with the Marxist just force of nature just capable of through sheer physical power writing people off his wheel on that rich on the same about fifty minutes of the film. We see mugs retake pointed to the cleaners Montana Tanya which is beautiful climb in Mark The sort of landscape in napalm was describing earlier. You know this beautiful because of rural Italy but the next morning soft that stage and Luneta which is the Communist newspaper in Italy won a famous journalist covering the right gene-o salary. The MERCS was a monster. One JIRA before it started and should have been left at home Yeah I mean. That's the one thing that you feel watching the film that the racist. South there is no real suspense to an and there is an attempt to conjure up through focusing on twenty and has his doomed attacks. But that was the thing that was lacking and yet despite that you know. The film isn't really the story of the race. The film is appealing away of the layers around professional cycling. And and I mentioned to your Latin interview. The one of my favorite chapters is is the time-trial 'em where I think you know Finley Pretzel M who directed the film. Time by David Miller years ago. I know he has really looked up to your Latin one of the sequences there. When we see the site on view of of Miller and not film seems to me very reminiscent of some of the footage of Ritter in time trial. And you're just laughed. There's no narration. That kind of goes quiet. Does this kind of beautifully hypnotic signed scape and it's very mesmerizing to wash. And I. I really felt watching that. It wasn't something that happened almost fifty years ago which is kind of a very difficult thing for me to say given that this was just a few days after. I was born and this actually happened but if the pilots on stop Bantu on your birthday or did they feel after that sequence. Thought you know there was. You know it's a cliche but man and machine in perfect harmony amrita on his time trump by leaked fantastic. And it's interesting what you say. Lionel by the comparisons with with football and the money I think that probably says more about football and where it was back then because so much of it looks kennesaw. Lo Fi and the mechanics. Working right in the back of You know a cheap hotel am retro himself. Packing up his car at the end of the Jiro Putin is back in the boot and driving off his wonderful thing. A wonderful kind of closure to the story that we've just been following as as Latte said that that's the car that they used to travel around Italy and the the the most from contemporary point of view as we do how difficult is in particular for film crews 'em or even people with mobile phones to take visual footage of the Tour de France. Or The you know seems incredible uncomplicate. Just turn out with a very small film crew and make film and get into the middle of the bunch. He didn't even have a single conversation with Vincenzo Tarini. Who was this very formidable director for forty six years of the Jiro and it seems absolutely astounding to me that that wasn't an issue that that was the Renault kind of obstacles in the way for him to go in and make this film at the time just on Foreign Tae. You're left with the impression in the film that he's kind of the biggest rival the biggest challenger and just nothing quite works out for him. He's kind of trying everything. He's always in the wrong place. He's trying to chop was trying to gain time. It's only one looked at the results and realize that he finished eighth twenty six minutes behind Merck's and not even not even the first or second man on his own team. He was the third man energy from his own teams. And that just made me think about own kind of discovery of cycling and how this doomed heroism of Reuters. Often very very photogenic. Isn't it's very kind of a is an easy way to short cop to telling the story of St Racing often. The dominance interesting story. It's it's kind of the doomed. Heroism that really captured the imagination and makes you keep coming back for more really and Ridge just walk. You say they're about the the low fi nature firm Fresno it made me think particularly that stage I mentioned Monte opinion stage where Merck's just like you said to yoga and let like a threshing machine. He just house away from Is Beautiful scene and its narrative Italy which up in there? And and you don't really. It's kind of the intersection of three regions immediate Oman. Yeah Lamar Kane in. Tuscany fit that you're in the middle of nowhere. Mark that was one of market pantani's Training climbs on. I was talking to a colleague. Pizza costumes the other day about you know what it was that made Pantani sub paintings to the Italians in part of it was sort of Lo fi image that he cultivates and just on Capanna people used to ask him whether he used to heart rate monitor and he knew he would say the Capena. I've got quite caught opinions. All I need to know whether I'm going well. Same thing he was asked about Nutrition Sonic Energy Drinks. He said all. I needed four fountains on my route. One of them the bottom onto cut pain. I've lost count the number of times of Kline cut opinion training. You'll say amish traditionalist may be a Roy always training on the same roads the same ones that I use him racist for example. He never used a gun. Hey Roots He. Just your ride raise like these Monte opinion there are few others Monte for my all which you guys will be riding on the INAUGURA lattes with have been drawn certainly to Pantani as well a quote I copied dying from Williamsburg on his film. Sunday and how am let told William Drawn to the tragic figures? I'm fascinated by the greatness of their acts the non rationality the courage. I liked blind courage like the madness is equality in art and sport. And I'm watching the film I say Don's attached to time what's really interesting as well as that. It was the first three feature length documentary films made by cycling clinging in in three years of Stars. Water carriers and seventy-three. Lack Course on TAT in seventy four. Which is really again focused on on marks on the greatest. Show on earth and seventy-five which again is is focused on the Jiro and once again for anti is quite central to that story. Oh really good all quite different and of course on tat also quite experimental the greatest show on earth far more conventional telling of the story of of the race but all of them available on Youtube and all very well worth watching. But it's interesting that well stars mortar carriers. I don't think the premise. That wasn't the fascination remarks which does seem to have inspired a lot of these other projects and it was very much a it. Was coincidental marks was was writing and winning. But one of the notable things. I mentioned the Ba- Jira was started in in Belgium and took quite a long time to get to Italy. I'm weird obviously still in our imaginations in Hungary another overseas star. They've become very very common for the Jiro. But I think seventy three was the first real proper overseas star for Jira. Wasn't the it was. Yeah they'd started in nineteen sixty five in San Marino. Which of course is surrounded by. Italy isn't and in nine hundred sixty six Monaco which is just next door and this was the first time that the race started this. Far Away from Italy while approaching the Mid Seventies. It was a celebration of your coming together. Wasn't there and the race which started in verviers and went to Cologne in Germany and then into Luxembourg and then Strasbourg then Geneva and finally arriving in Italy in time for rest day off to five days of racing quite unusual opening time-trial prologue time-trial five point two kilometers to man time trial which Eddy Merckx won with his mauritanie teammate. Teammate Roger Sweats and while Merck's took the Pink Jersey on the first day and didn't relinquish it at all the first man to wear the Pink Jersey from start to finish the other one will be featuring in a later episode of Algeria. Johnny Buni in one thousand nine hundred ninety two other men had led the way from start to finish but that was in the days before the Pink Jersey was introduced they were Jira Dingo. Nine hundred nineteen afraid. I've been in nineteen twenty seven but of course this year. I was also a good deal. Shorted an Merck's. He's domination was complete really from start to finish and the other thing that's notable is just how well the Belgian style they won thirteen of the twenty one stages it was a real name dominance by the Belgians. You mentioned foreign starts. That line in a was something that Tony liked to do. A few days ago while I was reading a book by a guy called M jasmine coaches at a Sangala. Who's the cartographer for the Jira for think about fifty years and anyway I spoke to him last week? Actually but he's an old man now is in his nineties and GonNa do innings fee. But he wasn't really wasn't enough last week in his book. He talks about these grandee. Partaken said lots of very ambitious Will might say like harebrained plans. The Tatyana hard with the Jira Of the cost of his custodianship of the race and one of the one of the more intriguing wants to read a buying. Sangala lease book actually was In the sixties he wanted to do a tour of the ports of Italy and he wanted every state to finishing a poor and he wanted everyone on the rice caravan to sleep in a cruise ship And the reason it didn't happen was that the cruise ship was going to be too expensive to hire. Takes us back to the Mega SMERALDA? Am Corsican twenty thirteen. Dial but TORREON E. We covered two days ago the first the Jiro of rebirth and forty six and part of the rebirth was that that was Taurani's I at the helm wasn't And he was instrumental in in in in re starting in rebooting. The Jiro and would remain. I mean we. We're very familiar with the Tour de France directors and they're on the grounds. Jack go the show Marie Leblanc Felix Levitan. Th they're very well known close identified figures with their racist but Taurani is equal. Any of them isn't a really forty six years running the race and in that film I mentioned the greatest show on earth is an incredible sequence with him. This is an interview with them but also a sequence to quite dramatic classical music where he is barking orders at People. Manhandling them clearing them. The Way and leaves an impression of somebody who is not to be messed with all while very quick story about the about the two of Lombardy when Sean Kelly. I think a three in a row It was the year that Baron Kelly Juan Giambattista Baron Kelly and clearly toy. Want you pound Kelly to win. Because on one of the climbs Taurani's race directors car accidentally on purpose bumped into Kelly's Sean Kelly's back wheel and knock knock him off when he took that as a message to Pap strike a deal with baron. Kelly ticket the racers took a different way. Well listen should we wrap things up? As you mentioned you can watch stars and water carriers Recommend that you do. All the details and links are in the episode notes. How's that wind going down? Rich went very well done. You'll I mean I might move onto my my birthday Like villain in a minute gift from you chops for my breasts. Lost Week Thank you very much for that. Still here my office but no. I'm not going to do that. And tomorrow stage where we're flying to with with flying back to Italy tonight we are trying to Sicily. And then tomorrow we'll be talking. Mafia one of napalm favorite subjects looking forward to don't Lionel you're safe and wildlife traumatize soul for tonight anyway. Thank you very much Daniel. Thank you thank you thank you.

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2020 TdF Preview Show with Johan and JB, Stage 3

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2020 TdF Preview Show with Johan and JB, Stage 3

"Today was stage number one, hundred, fifty, four that speeders again finished all of us participation in the several rounds he did. And of those one hundred and fifty four stages he already spent including today A. One hundred, twenty, six days in Green. So I mean that's eighty two percent of every single stage. He did at of France you had the Green Jersey. Welcome back to the move podcast as we wrap up Stage three of Twenty Twenty Tour de France and this is our follow up show to the move where we Talked to Johan. Bruyneel. WHO IS The winning most director is that right? The win most wins of any director of a grand tour with thirteen. Yeah, I don't know I know Jeb. That's still the record I. Think so. I think. So but you know I guess steam sky must come pretty close. Yeah, anyway, yeah records. You didn't do it to get in the record books on that. You did you love work how they? Insight into tactics, and that's what we do on the show specially. Some things that you? Might. Not Have Known. We're going on today and some things to look for tomorrow. Before we get to a looking at a little bit at Stage three and tomorrow Here's Lance with a quick word from one of our sponsors. Today's episode of the move is presented by or a ring. What a device to me this is the most advanced. Health and wellness tracker I'm just going to call it. On the market give me three key scores, the readiness score the sleep score, and my activities score. It is the most accurate sleep tracking device on the market. But as they used to say in the old Ginsu night commercials. But wait, there's more there's resting heart rate there's tarver ability there's body temp their sleep cycles. Hands down the most accurate health tracker on the market big partnership with the NBA and the WNBA. On over to aura ring dot com, that's Oh you are a ring dot com. And Come Come, start tracking your stuff and compared to us. You can get third place right behind George Second. Okay before we look ahead of tomorrow's talk about Stage three today which. You had predicted it would come down to a field sprint and that's exactly what happened before we get to to the sprint portion of it. There was a breakaway which you also predicted and there's other things going on that the rest of us don't know. And I I think you can shed some light on that I know. You enlighten me a little bit in our pre show of why that breakaway the four-man breakaway fell apart in left that guy hanging. Yeah. It was. You know I mean first of all, it's it's remarkable to seat nowadays in stages like this let's say the whole the whole bunch is assuming it's going to be a bunch sprint There's also you know that beep these guys talk with each other so they know. From they know for short at the, you know this team and this team and this team will do everything. They can to make it the bunch sprint so that basically. DEMOTIVATES have anybody else to go in the breakaway. Today it was. No it was no surprise that the the guys in the breakaway they were all from French themes. So. We had to initially it was for a four-man breakaway. There was two guys from eighty to our on Guy from Kofi, these and one guy from direct energy. Now the way this this and they went from from kilometer zero nobody reacted the for just basically got a free pass they go. They went. And and so everybody was happy to see them go and basically you know then then what everybody could predict that. The KOONING quickstep would set an easy comfortable tempo in the Peleton for you know honored the. but it was not a chasing pace. It was basically just you know putting one guy there two guys up there to set up a base and you know I personally had thought that that would be a bigger battle due to get into the breakaway. Turned out that you know the whole almost convinced that would be a bunch sprint anyway, and so nobody was really motivated plus I think the fact that there's so many guys that are injured from crashes they they all were quite happy that this was basically. A mugging to say an easy stage. It was definitely on the flat stage. If you look at the the of climbing in this, you know I would I would invite notes. It's easy to say Okay Oh yeah. It was a bunch sprint and people look at the the last thirty kilometers the whole path altogether. This was easy. You know I would invite anybody. anyb any active well-trained. Cyclist was not competing do the stage on a bicycle and then get to the finish insisted on. And tell us this was an easy stage. I can tell you it's. Easy States it's it's a hard. Five hundred and fifty meters. Over eight goals and creative. It's it's not flat. It's not the last part was flat but. But anyway. So this breakaway four guys went and it was clear from the start of the Polka Dot Jersey was in there the guy who was leading the Komo Plus is the most direct rival do French themes for a French team? Any. Secondary desiccation no matter how small. This is super important. It's one day in Jersey on the podium when they in the newspapers. Have certain nowadays I I. would assume that there's a lot less VIP's in hospitality programs going on, but still you know it's publicity and it's super important. So these two teams were battling it out to go for this and Age Duar for the for the POLKADOT JERSEY. That's the reason why they were in the breakaway and the only guy was actually in there with another purpose was the guy from direct energy This writer. Kuzan. Cousin It was everybody's cousin today. So you know he was really he was really in a bad spot because you know he must have flipped around him and said, these guys are here and you know they don't WanNa go to the finish he knew already and they probably have told them. You know we're going to sprint for the to the to mountain's, and then you know you're on your own which was. Actually. What happened literally you know they they sprint it and then they went both of them went back to the Peleton, because their job was done for today and then this this loan writer of direct energy knew that he was basically you know he was there up there yet he got TV time which is always welcome for for a French team for any team. But you know he knew he could make it to the finish and the. And, you know something something really unfortunate from that breakaway was actually that the guy who was the guy who won. was virtually in the lead The guy from Kofi Santoni Peres once they went back to the Peleton. So they both knew that okay. Onto Anthony, Perez is going to have to buckle the Jersey off the stage. He something must have happened. He was he was going back to the car either to whatever get a water bottle or give back certain ring clothing I don't know they must have been a big. Break in the in the caravan on the convent and he was He was actually hit by his own team car. Rally yes? Yes. Yes. And I mean it was opposite on purpose you know as a big accident but But. Yeah. He he broke his collarbone I think or or or or his rips I don't know what it was but he he was he was unable to continue. So imagine note from going to okay. You know now I stay in the bunch and then I had to get to the finish I am going to go on the podium of the Tour de France first time ever for this you know. A relatively unknown unknown writer. This would have been the highlight of his career until now, and then next thing he knows he's on the floor and on his way to the hospital. So really that's that's a very unfortunate event. Is unfortunate reminder just how many dangerous You can get in during the course of the Tour de France advocate out of curiosity you yawn it in any of your years as a director were was the Komo initiative. Never for us no never never. No? And I think it's It's I. Think it's the least important. Of the of the task vacations. The Green Jersey is important. You know that's for a completely different type of writer. but you know it's it's very rare to see that know because normally KLM classification at the end of the tour would have to be one by one of the overall contenders and that's almost never the case. So. You know it's clear that this is not something If you have nothing else to gain in the Tour de France of course, you know you take it and you know the. Teams are super-motivated for that. especially in that. I was GONNA. Say It always seems to be that the French going after this. Yeah Yeah. Especially also the first week you know when this year's a bit different because there are already some more important than more difficult climbs. But normally in the first week, it's it is it is a heavily contested. Because you know you noted as a non climber, you can also get the the Komo and you know for any writer whose there you know at either to you know they can't. They can't win stages in the sprint. They can win stages in the on the climbs they tried to go for something like that. You know until afterwards it's really it's certain climbers that are going for it because you know because of the nature of the stages they're automatically in the front and the points on the big climbs or lots of a lot more than than than the points that are given now but you know it's I. It's you know it's not it's an ugly Jersey. Also, if you ask me, it's not it's not very stylish. Riding around in POLKA DOTS during three weeks in France I don't know. But. My? But all this. Polkadot Jersey discussion explains why Kuzan was left to his own afterward, grab the points they could, and they're like, all right. We're going back to the PELETON. Live another day. Yes yes. I think there was still one one other climb to go. But you know they had decided. You know it's too much effort and too far away from the from from the last the last sprint they had it was too far to go do much effort to make you know for not a lot of points because it was like a fourth category climb. So I think it's like five points three points in one point I guess. So you know it's at this point this in the in the race, it's it's about you know calculating your efforts and so the fact that those guys were in there for for that reason was basically Yeah. Not good news for for the writer from direct, energy. But he stayed away until sixteen kilometers to go. So he got the he loved he got a lot of A LOT OF TV time. That's for sure and it's this is a team that got invited got invited to the to the race. You know they're not world tour team they're French team so that say they're almost automatically in. But but yeah so. I think. That's that's about it. We can say about about the stage of today you know other than other than the real sprint and the lead up the lead up to the sprint that was nothing else going on basically. Yeah and before we get to this sprint, which we almost saw gone winning, it was a very, very entertaining sprint but and while we're talking Jersey's a is back in green and you dug up some interesting information about Peterson gone and the Green Jersey Yeah Yeah I mean you know we've been talking about you gone not being on the top of his game and he is not he is not that this is not the real. Peterson. were, used to see as we already said to several times and you know were we are actually also tempted to say you gone know he's he's he's not he doesn't have it anymore it's probably true but let's not forget. So he's back in the green and you know I read an interesting stat. So today was a stage number one, hundred, fifty four that speeders again finished in all of his participation in the several Tour de France he did. And of those one, hundred, fifty, four stages, he he already spent including today. One hundred, twenty, six days in Green. So that's eighty two percent of every single stage. He did attitude of France. He had Green Jersey. That's extraordinary. That's that's amazing. You know and even if even if Sagawa I mean today actually he looked quite good and his you know he was there I saw. His post race interview. He said he calculated wrongly you know there was it was headwind. So he came a little bit too early but he had power it's he looked powerful. But you could see you know it's it was had been in the sprint. That was no. There was no lineup and there were several several writers across the road. That's usually it's a sign is either headwind or slightly uphill. So. So you know he he went a little bit too early. And you he was he was beaten by foster guys but but you know it shows that I mean he knows as nobody else how to do this Green Jersey points classification competition. It's you know it's a combination. Of Day After Day getting points and points here and points they're you know and so. We could see also in the intermediate sprints, there was only one writer in the front. So it was pretty heavily congested sprint in the bunch also for intermediate point. And he actually got that quite easy. It's not it's not. It's not a sprint as used to see for the finish because I'd say it's the same riders they. They know that they're going to be contesting the sprint the finish show they want to keep a little bit of strength, but they still need to be up there to get points. You know it's not important if they win or their second to third in the intermediate sprint, but SEGAWA wanted easy. So he got. The maximum amount of points excluding the breakaway rider. So bit by bit you know he's getting into that competition and As. I said you know he's the most experienced rider in in getting points everywhere he can. saw quite quite quite extraordinary in amazing performance actually. Eighty two percent of every single day of racing at the Tour de France having the green. Jersey. That's that's just mind blowing I know I just looked it up about it got to out of curiosity I. was like well, does he have the most green? Jersey wins of any cyclist ever in the Tour de France and the answer is yes. While he broke did he broke the record last year right is it is it seven seven or eight seven? Seven seven. Yeah. Okay. So he's on he's he's he wants to been with eight times but anyway, already seven times. Winning the classic I mean this is the points classification is is it's difficult to win. You have to be just a spur. It's your hardly see a pure sprinter who has big difficulties in climbs is almost impossible to win the Green Jersey. So you have to be you know why an all round or two to win the points classification. And we'd won't spend too much time on it but you you know you talked about how the headwind and Sagawa went a little early I mean, actually it was Viviana. The went first and then faded a little early and then salon. And then Bennett who was your pick to win But Caleb. Speed and he can just slide through the most narrow of spaces. Unbelievable I mean if you. If you see I mean first of all, what a win and what a morale boost for law to shoot I'll. Like. This is obviously one of their main objectives. That's what they they have. A had a team build around or at least you know the majority of the team built around Caleb. and so after losing two of their most important writers John Dagan goal and Philip Jubeir to you know big names and cycling on Day One. To. Get the morale of the team back together You know they. They needed this win today and they got it I. Mean it's it is You know. There has just started again. You know they were they were. They were always the ethnic after stage one and yesterday they would obviously down this team you know no, no not good motivation but today they got back into it and now. Yes. It's everything they got a bonus they got their stage wins or the pressure's off You know there's not that many stages opportunities for sprinters but you know they they the pressure's off now they can. They can relax and You know they still have A. Good Old Thomas against you know who's there? WHO's just waiting for his day in Ghana gonNA breakaway and and probably you know I mean if he does what he what he does best, he can win another state so. for them the pressure's off. So So yeah, we after the bad luck the extremely bad luck on day one losing two of their riders I. think There's they deserve this win. All right. Before we get into your picks and tactics for tomorrow, which is going to be very A. Really good stage. A really good fun wanted to watch anytime. It's A. You know a mountaintop finish mountaintop hilltop finish. That's exciting but you told me I think even before the tour began that stage four had a very historic significance. Yes, well, you know I mean the stage for first of all it's I mean it's unusual to have an uphill finish. When you say another another amount of this is a mountain you know or let there's a ski resort top it's eighteen hundred meters altitude. So it's not it's not a big mountain pass like you know your your but but it is it is it is hard. So it's it's for climbers, right? But anyway. Let is a I mean also difficult name to pronounce guess for I mean for even for me but it's a name that sounds very familiar to me because I've heard it in my childhood. and. I heard it in my childhood I mean back then. It was the time of Eddy. Merckx right at the merge was was winning. started his winning winning streak on on on the Tour de France and in nineteen, seventy, one the the the the states to share let is historical because Eddy Merckx he had wanted to to the to the France already so it was you know frank to win his third one. And that. Particular Stage Eddie had the eater bad day or Difficult circumstances but there was his main rival back then was a Spanish writer called Louis. Oh, Kanye. who also won the tour once I think And so. The. Whole. Patton. Had assumed already after Eddie winning the Giro and to to Franson world champion and you know he was getting established as the Cannibal Right His is his nickname was the cannibal he won everything and basically considered unbeatable. If if everything went right, he had the strongest team and so he was you know trying to win this the third time, the Tour de France and Okonya had said. Okay You know we. There's only one thing we can do. We have to attack Eddie marks as much as we can make the race heart and see if you know and I guess he had already tried a few times on other climbs and seeing that Eddie was you know maybe not as strong as the year before and so what happened was that the Louis? Oh Kanye this also this potential Tour de France winner. Spanish guy, but living in France considered he was an immigrant. Left. Spain. When he was ten or twelve years parents to go to France so he was considered. For the French French French guy and for the Spanish Spanish. Especially, if he did well, he had a lot of the fan base. Yes. Yes. But I mean if he didn't if he didn't do well I, think the the French. Considered Him Spanish and vice versa. But Anyway so he made a pact with another with the Spanish team. Costs KS. It's you know it's A. Team has been around for longtime very longtime. Very welty. Team and there was one writer on the team. named Jose Manuel, Puentes? Extremely gifted climber Eddie I mean I got the become friends with like many of us. and. So Eddie, told me once that wholesome our winter was actually the only guy. He really feared in the mountains because he had really made him suffer in the Jiro. several times. So anyway, there was a pact between Kanye and. Casts and they made the race hard and there was big attacks and Eddie turned out to lose. I don't know if he was on yellow with anyway Oh. Kanye took the Yellow Jersey that day and Eddy Merckx lost close to nine minutes in that stage, which is incredible. So basically, you know game over game over you know Eddie was weak and he was not a strong and So. Yeah. That's why that's why I remember that that name now the the day after this stage, they often was You know the champion Eddy Merckx Swabs and the proud and you know hurt Predator I would say he launched an incredible attack. It was terrible wetter. Raining I mean really I mean, I've seen images all I. Think the images are actually still the most of them are in black and white. It's you can find it on youtube if you if you Google, the marks or Sierra. and. So the day after he launched an attack from far away and Louis Kanye the str- Eddie was an incredible gifted. The sender. And Louis Oh Kanye tried to follow him and he missed one of the turns crashed got back up and then when he came back, a a bike, he got hit by another guy who missed the turn was yup took who also later on went onto win the Tour de France and Oh Kanye had to abandon the race. Eddie Merck's took yellow or was in first position after that stage. But then finally he refused to go on the podium with the yellow. Jersey out of respect. For his rival yes. Yes. you. Know. I've read a quote that he said you know I would I would have preferred to finish second because this this is not a real victory. Yeah Or never heard that. Yet but but that's That's what Sierra Millette. Sounds sounds to me when I when I when I hear the name. Ski Station. Okay. So tomorrow we go there. The more we go there tomorrow we go there. So you know it's a hundred and sixty kilometers You know as I said before you know very unusual. The way the Tour de France is built this year with you know mountain of finish on stage four. So we can, expect. A IT'S Is Not super difficult. You know it's not it's not. It's not the move onto. It's not nothing like that at seven kilometers six and a half seven percent. But you know it's in my opinion. I mean there's two things going on. First of all our Philippe. I've read already some comments that they will try to keep the Jersey as long as they can personally I think that the stage of tomorrow whether Allah, Philippe gives the Jersey or not. It's not going to depend on what is team does it's GonNa depend on how good is like are in the final of Philippe and you know this is this is a stage that he perfect. It's perfectly within his reach These are not like the high mountains. It's you know it's something that ultimately especially you know on the form he is right now it's going to be very difficult to drop him. You know and he could he could even win the stage. Who knows you know he has although I still think I think I do think that it's not the same On you know extremely high form like last year Philippe but still you know you have the Yellow Jersey. Jerseys in France, the morale is good. It's a snowball effect. You know you you kind of he's in, he's riding a fork. So. The other day we saw that emotion and as you described, he'd recently lost his father. Different things motivate people and you know you never rule this guy out. No absolutely not having everything pointed into the direction that okay. This is not our of last year but here he is he's in yellow. He was impressive yesterday tomorrow. He has another chance I do think though that tomorrow we're going to see the first you know. Small battle between the real juicy contenders. It's you know it's so early in the stage today you know today they were they took you know they recovered so. The teams of these guys are going to be are going to be in good shape also. Enables Sin and you movies, Ma and some mutters and some others you know Emirates you know This this could also be a great stage for today POCA Chat. For example, you know he's He's discovering the tour but this you know he has this final kickin. So who knows, but I think that we're GONNA we're, GONNA, see a battle already between between the the main favorites. Probably going to be a breakaway you know already it's. I mean who knows it's it's going to depend. If Allah Philippe Really Wants to defend his Jersey and there's a breakaway than his team will have to keep the breakaway under control. it's going to be nervous the whole on his nervous automatically the inertia of the race of the stage. brings a speed up in the PELETON because everybody wants to be in the front and you know without even trying to chase the speed is very high. especially, you know so early. So early in the Institute of France so You know the big the big guys my may want to fight it out amongst each other you know So what I know is that you know I got some information. So by NAL looks it looks good is decorations or he sounds confident. He gets he's well protected by steam. I think he's I think he's where he has to be a Rock Ledge Plymouth wrocklage from what I've heard. Is At this moment is not the prima struggling. We've seen in Fini. The crash in the dossier and the consequences of that crash were actually very serious He was he was one week without without straining. and he actually had a big injury. BEC-. Hepatoma from basically on from his knee going all the way up to his hip, which they had to manage and treat, and obviously that takes away from from from your energy and your you know you don't recover as well. So I. think that's also the reason why we have not seen. Age For example Primos Rog Mitch over Dolphin deliberate would have been in a heartbeat. With Adam Gates yesterday responding and he would be there and he would have been. you know he would not have let go he would have attacked account tried to follow other meats. He. Didn't right and so yes, they already I he was you as at the in the in the final in the end in the end of the first group. and. Actually one of his comments was also that you know he was happy that he didn't he didn't lose time. so he must be that good as in the Duffy. Now, it could also be a blessing for him. You know if he's definitely I, mean he's definitely still on a really good level. But it could be it could be a good thing because you know east. If if you have to kind of be careful with your efforts, you save yourself more. You Save Your team more although you know in the in in the first two stages we we didn't see that but today they got complete day off. From from working and so you know. He will he will definitely improve the Tour de France he you know the form the form cannot be gone You know he will get back to that level he just needs time. And so So yeah, it could be that that you know we see premiums rob stronger stronger than he or at the same level of the defin- but later on race Oh, this could be an opportunity for of the other contenders to actually take some time out of Ramos regulates you know when this? They all see everybody sees who who's a WHO's going well now, who's has super lags who struggling little bit. You know you're you're riding next to each other you you hear the breathing, you see the facial expressions. you know these are little things that the rivals amongst each other they pick up on that. So even. Even the guys who don't have the information of okay. How bad his crash was they see exactly little details. How good are how? Struggling everybody is so this could be an opportunity for for some of the other contenders i. don't know maybe now already, if he as you know recovered from his injury than and he's emails, he sees opportunity could try to attack him. DP know who knows you know? I heard that Lance Lance lands night in town right. you know he's I to Allah Felipe, and then he switched CANTATA. George I think both of them are picks good. Both of them are good picks. I think tomorrow you know the difference with with any other mountaintop finish is that it's it is hard but it's just not hard enough. To really put in the front all the pure climber so. There could be some tactics going on that last line because the speed is higher than normal because it's not so steep and so that could be you know some Lou one looking at the other and you know some somebody can get away and and actually with with a little group, you can have advantage of a little group compared to when it's really ah a steep climb units everybody himself. So you know, there could be some tactical playing going on and. That's obviously when your favorite. That's difficult because it's you can't control the whole pilot on and you know on the prime like this. It's not just a battle amongst four five or six guys. This is there's other guys who can dry to go and and you know once they have ten fifteen seconds than they're they're out of sight than you know it's difficult to bridge that gap so. I'm going to pick for tomorrow based on based on. I've seen yesterday Adam Gates. I think I think Adam? Yates is You know his is a response to the attack of leap was was was really really, very good. Very strong. he's a winner. He knows he's you know he's a guy who knows how to win a bike race. I think he's He you could say he's a sub contender. He's not on the top of the list of all the other guys to say, okay, this is a guy we need to meet the watch closely he may become one of those. But before the start of the tour is not and so I think that you know e- could probably you know he's he strong enough he's fast enough and he is just not supervised enough do not have to. Be With the whole weight and responsibility of the final of the race. Oh. I don't know I mean until now I haven't been very good at picking A. Today today I picked Bennett for for for today and he was he was barely beaten. So I'm getting better I'm getting better. I guess. I. Guess This tour is also it's it's for me. It's the same like with all the writers. No we have to get back into the into the routine we hadn't. We didn't have racing. It's a lot harder to pick this year because we didn't see our normal season in our no lead-up. Yes. That's true. That's true. So yeah, I mean you know it's It's going to be interesting to see exactly tomorrow. Tomorrow we're going to be able to see. What the real damage was from those crashes in the dossier, those stories that we heard okay they're hiding or not hiding the training. Tomorrow, it's uphill finish. There's no more hiding you know it's it's going to be is. that. This is already very early in the Tour de France the real, the real one of the real stages through. Not Decisive. and you know if you lose a little bit of time, it's not it's not It's not a complete disaster but. As always these opportunities for you know for semi. Favorites do try to you know stay either stay in the game or take a little bit of time on some of the others, and so it's going to be an interesting interesting final. Excellent. All right. Well, we look forward to tomorrow. Thanks again Johann as always if you have questions. Or comments for Johann please send them in the move. WE DO DOT team. and. We'll talk tomorrow you. Speak to everybody tomorrow.

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"Hi Kathy I'm good. I made it very warm. I'm recording this. I don't care at my home run across power one hundred degrees Greg how you doing again the two kilometers by the citing podcast in association with Hans Car showers when the two to Franz reached POW it marked the one hundredth anniversary of the Yellow Jersey with a celebrate relaunch perform aware of the Meyer shown there was on Davick odd now ninety years old Eddy Merckx Ban Audie. No you know to milk and seven Greg Lemond many others who warned the famous Jersey. My name is Lonzo Bernie and for the second installment of our kilometers zero telling the story of the nine hundred thousand nine hundred the front I dashed across town to a hotel near the start of the time trial to catch up with Greg and Kathy lemonde thirty years ago Lemond completely one of the most compelling comebacks sport has ever seen in one thousand nine hundred sixty become the first American African to win the tool in the spring eighty-seven he suffered a near fatal shooting accident when out on a family hunting trip in one thousand nine hundred early eighty-nine hit toyed with the idea of quitting the sport but then the end of the Gerard Italia he enjoyed wait a glimpse of his old form he went into the nine hundred thousand nine tour as a former champion but not as one of the big favors Greg and Kathy will making a flying visit to the tool spending just one day on the race and their schedule was busy but but I'm going to see them just before they took place in the car that followed Eggen Banal in the time trial. I'm good thanks Greg Yeah warm. You know he's quite warm. outlandishly English earnings about it is will now. It's great isn't it. It's good we've been missing twenty minutes. I mean we've been watching. We've been doing doing stuff being on holiday. Yeah now really yeah no holiday yes but no it's been a good tour. We watched the conscious of the first stages we did but yeah I think I'll actually I just raised. Come alive yeah. It's going to be interesting. Follow Burnell Burnell today time trial just good. He's a big talent. Have you ever done before the Ryder in time-trial tool nuke note percents with my wife definitely for so you can come to see what she went through when she was following you absolutely well. We just said Sonum ex wife also going to be able to phone. We both said this is really advanced now. Finally that's great. That's it's a hard time to not so easy. You see what he just had a crash metro out of the tour. Wow you know more than I do. Yeah we're watching. He's taking clipped took a barrier turn. It looks like the banner to Handlebar who oh good submissively Kathy. Do you follow Greg in parish in one thousand nine in the call. Oh no no no kidding. I was lucky I got a ticket probably could talk. No we could take about it. I had support and he was I wouldn't probably want to maybe a distraction. It's wouldn't WANNA do so. What have you guys done today because they're celebrating one hundred years exactly the first Yellow Jersey? You've got a collection of Yellow Jersey so like but you know it's really nice we had. I don't know how many Mertz any Merck's Bernardi no <hes> Contadora to <hes> at our table Henry Oh dirty dirty guide Jerry card. That's how I say we honoring but it was nice I we came here like really run twenty two stages absorb a metre Lee bow tapes here shorts and a bunch of Jersey wears on the other side but we came in and had a drink. It's really nice. We're GONNA have a little cocktail tonight with President. macron is going to be interesting. It's good be nice wearing yellow jersey. He makes you almost like honorary French royalty well. I don't know about that but I think it's pretty special. I mean it's kind of like they're very few sports. Masters Golf that has the equivalent and you know I'd rather have a master's Astor's green jacket and so what's beautiful about the sport the history's always there and they said I'll always have a hard time pronounce his Oh you mean found God the guy you had lunch with yeah but no but he's and he's here you sir ransom of the first Yellow Jersey wear. Who was you know we didn't with last night but the whole part of the sport is it's not it's part of it's great to be part of history and that's what makes different so special interesting so they're sitting at lunch and it's he no soda Mouth Merck's Works Greg of Nay but it's so interesting? It's the whole chain of of the winners of the Tour de France. It's really interesting and and you know you have your past rivalries but somehow the torture Francis so much bigger than that but it's pretty it's very the best one was in two thousand and to before the hundred anniversary. I'm trying to figure that one hundredth anniversary two thousand two two thousand three I think. The here before dinner for that for the two thousand three and it was really interesting. 'cause we sat around there twenty one of us and you know you had the oldest Kuebler then came around them Fignon me empty chair you know Armstrong was supposed to be there indoor and you know the Merck's kind of seniority age and the number victories but it's pretty interesting around there and look at you know everybody wants us believe the psyching started when you started and most riders have ten fifteen careers overlap so even writers today. You have writers that were even for five years ago somewhere racing with me at that time so you have this overlaps. It's always think cycling advances really quickly. It's always a small small changes over the over. The years makes the spark really competitive also means every every tour will relevant. It's like generation rations of a family getting together for Christmas isn't it. Do you know the top of your head. How many other jerseys you had no no not that many any up at home on the wall and my office we do a couple office nothing to I never every jersey? I just want to win the tour but it would have been nice to have more tours where I could have had yellow Jersey but I'm happy I'm glad I had got it went ahead to nine thousand nine hundred chasing everybody so and I wasn't riding my best that year but I don't have a clue how many soldiers have life but the important ones are the ones you get chefs elise and of course this year thirtieth anniversary. Can you believe thirty years since one thousand nine hundred nine because by very fast. I think the only thing that it's me sad is when I look back thirty years went bypassing and the next dirty. You'RE GONNA go by fast so that means. I'm hoping I'll be here but I doubt it in thirty. Maybe something will happen. Medically that'd be miracles yet but it does seem like it was yesterday was interesting. Having dinner didn't last night. He was kind of the team dinner numerous sitting on Po and we're talking about the postage and it's pretty cool but by so fast but I had some good memories of the tour especially nineteen. I don't actually six eighty nine in one thousand nine hundred I've got I've been busy on Ebay this year and I picked up one of these. which is the eighty-nine design? Do you remember that missile. That is what they look. Look where it's made that looks like to be Real made-in-italy Castelli with the designs from Mariachi finals. Few people made copies but if it's made in Italy this this is the real one. This is great. I love it. I mean did you at the time I mean these were unique because I never did anything with this design before or since eighty nine had this really striking globe you know the World Army Right. I don't think they anticipated me winning so I was teasing. It's a new design so I'm said it's Special Nineteen eighty-nine horse they did. I've totally I._T.'s and it is a cultures. I probably didn't even notice take pointed that out. He believed that I never noticed that I did notice on the Jersey. Probably at the time didn't even while the Yellow Jersey the Ski- final the idea was the the Yellow Jersey was to symbolize the global impact of tool. I mean they were the tools are really opened up. Not Time Americans Colombians people from <music> Austrailia racing and and I think the tour kind of aware of that become a global event really wanting to take it international into the United States short early but once you T._V. came and Japanese T._v. in Australia TV that's really was the eighties really opened up started. I think U._S.. T._V. was eighty four was the first time if no eighty three three very short show on tour eighty four. It's kind of weird talking about how it bill keeps building a fan base people get into. I hear people like I got a some erasing eighty-four. They've been writing Simpson eighty five. Maybe six so it's cool I like <music>. You're listening to kilometers era by the cycling podcast in association with Hans Grandma showers and taps. It's it's the beginning of the recovery so it's like it's like the coffin training you always looking forward would like you do holiday Fulton. Okay you say okay to where the school okay. Let's up for coffee so it's like Kinda break hi. I'm Lucas Postal Beggar writing for borough Hans grower so it's the same with the shower after the training enough to the race you know okay you come to the bus now oh and have like a good job with hot water with strong water like running over your neck and over your show listen to hear washing all the dirt and dust and sweat away so it's the first and really relaxing point and for step for Calorie Salad like a pride with Hans by showers and tops. What do you remember about eighty nine? I mean everyone remembers the show. I'm Selena in the time trial. Is that the strongest memory for you. If I really think about it probably my first. The first time trial was really a big one for me. Because although I knew I had a real good time trial in the Journal and then I was fourth place in the prologue not many seconds off and I was excited what normally traditionally if I had a good prologue. I know I'm good but until I really did that time. Tried it. No I think I think those some of the highlights for me is being super nervous for Tori and just waiting to get dropped a kept going and kept going and I made it and then the next day to superman year that one was painful because I try to fall Fignon Academy amateur mistakes. I was trying to kind of block it because I had no confidence where I was and so lou in Las. They're great live on the bidding the tired I spend your goes away and it looks to be as though Greg is crack. Graduates October beheld here five seconds is going so he's definitely five thousand Greg. Logging cousy began a dead at the top of the line. This has been both evolved day in a door the prospect bracelet ball described as they say cycling he hit the wall and he'd be passed by the better could counterparts and defy seconds fifty becomes too much Greg Lemond down in the left to yards of the browns today yellow tonight but just back and forth battle with him took it again back in and gap and then but no doubt lopped was was very painful for me and the next day but it was battle. I mean it was great. Racing did make special because you knew say well. He'd been teammates. Did you know each other strengths and weaknesses so well you would it different because you come back typically had no clue I was going to so for me. It was always the day in the Super Bowl. Jerry came up and he's starting to talk critical about me because I'm at leading the race in first of all. I'm not an idiot. I'm not GonNa just pull him along. There's tactics acton racing so but but I had no confidence to and I had no team and so I had to do what I had to do so for me. It was just always a day by day literally. I didn't know if I was GONNA make the next day I have two and a half years. The truly no positive results in terms of even psychologically had no confidence so each time I made it through got a little bit better a little bit veteran and even even if I did well I still I don't I never felt the same as I didn't eighty six. I was much stronger eighty six and so when I went through dwells and then Villard land had another if that day I just realized that now I need to make sure we covered by the time trial but the next one I think the big shock was the day after that village to lend my legs. Were really good. Nets really kinda crazy. Sometimes you're not the band. Stay where the five of you got away on the top five G-go aware wearing you wanted to sprint Chris. We were waiting to break Yup <hes> but yet one that state takes up so that the United States looks like he might delete guessing stage vignon comes after Lavar but he's having a job to get on. I don't know fall right. He's GonNa win. This grant on this cutler saved with Fignon his second straight line vignon Delgado. Turn it lets you that that was the order over the line. Greg Log on has four back with the stage wait but of course the fifty seconds rebate intact for the weekend for dollar and will be happy with the road with though and vigil will be happy to finish second and kept his lead overall. It's really great that day and with a nice easier the next day they were as freshest when I started on Sunday so but but I was happy I would just have to be there. Every day was a bonus for me and so that's what made winning in eighty nine so special because you know telling you from eighty seven on it was just a nightmare and I'd say the last two years of pro equal that type of nightmare but go go from pretty low wanting to quit or thinking you can't do it and Wendy Niche pretty good high really. What was that like for you Kathy because obviously in eighty six you had this sensor Greg could win the tour for the first time eighty-nine? He's trying to repeat something after those dark two years we used thinking in certain way. Why are we risking all why we why are we back putting ourselves through this again? Just taking day-by-day enjoying the fact that Greg was racing the top level again. I I just remember the first the first night that he won the time trial. I think we talked on the phone till two in the morning and then he still couldn't sleep and he called me again before four and and I kept saying like you gotta go to bed we were so excited because only two months before that it was just an an absolute nightmare in our family and yeah it was is almost like the work if I didn't I obviously I think psychological stresses stresses like it could be doesn't matter and there's no doubt the stress was incredible that I put myself basically because I'm trying to judge every day raced in okay. I'm not coming back not coming back and then I think really kind of breaking down took some of the stress off because I remember after when the time probably said well you know maybe I can finish and then in our day or two after you went through some of the mountains like maybe I could even get top ten and then I still remember. I gotten a little argument with my dad the day before the final time trial because my dad said I think he's GonNa win this and I said Oh come on like let's not be so greedy. second-place is just amazing and then my dad's snuck off on Sunday morning and went and saw greg without I I always thought you know time-trial morning. We live in Malone and my dad's snuck over and saw Greg at the hotel he took Jeff with him and took a cab over to Greg Hotel and then he came back and he said to me I went and saw him and he looks really good. I think he's going to win this thing he was so sure and Greg told them and and I'm like Oh my God dad you went over to the hotel like I wouldn't even have called him this morning. Why just wanted to see him but it's even it's bittersweet thinking about how how much made now that my dad's gone to think much? He loved loved Greg and all the pleasure we got so we are you confident that day then that morning oh yeah I mean it's not wasn't wishful thinking because I never did any test on that on the bars before the tour but I'd be opinion not at my primary Jiro by a minute twenty one seconds over fifty something KS so I started working backwards off that and that was without without without just working that back and I go. I'm within seconds no no handlebar and going. I don't know what it was ten fifteen seconds I had no clue and so I felt with without I'd be very close the probably not as close with without but the interesting thing could. Would probably made it more time than I would have using those bars but when I did do tunnel test I don't have to three years later with Roger Leget. I'd only made up about interestingly. I made depends on how they do do the test and we we figured eight to twelve seconds with the advantage of the bars by lost almost equally amount from the helmet. The Jiro Helmet was so big so what looked very dynamic finance head with flopping faster than so oh it's but all those things play into it but honestly the day before my legs were great and but it wasn't like I said I hope I can win acting to some calculations on the time trial in jared Italian and the amount of time and I think that I think the time trial was longer and harder to make up time because it was actually was six hundred is a big descent being very fast hard to make up time on and a flat word semi downhill time-trial but that's why I think it was even closer than I thought because I think it was dead flat time trump give the same. I was in better shape benefiting the Jiro. It had been a bigger difference difference dead dead flat time-trial. I think it would have been more than eight seconds so when you cross the line what did he knows because still out in the roads the last man on the road behind anything I mean I just you know I never never WanNa hear Anne updates and make difference to me because you're all out doesn't matter so when I got done I just was like I knew I had a good ride. I mean I thought I had a really kind of finish. I could've run another fifteen ks at that pace so I wished I would've pushed even harder but it wasn't until John Trump alleviate who was standing next to me. He was trying to give me the countdown. He's someone told me a one so it's kind confusing. It was just trying to recover and win the stage or did I win the race. You didn't understand but also had no clue. I didn't know the drama of for years I went to bike shops. Where are they played the eighty on tour which is a voiceover of Phil Liggett three seconds? It seems like an awful long way given me look at that. They're most behind him. It's just GonNa be on the life but it's GonNa be one or two seconds either way. I really don't know woah incredible. Though the two of the frowns comes down to the climate by it's always it would be the two men have been time twin throughout the race now. The cord is broken and it looks like break Lavar the by. I took the finish by Bennie on their all standoff. It's going to be close. Twenty seven forty seven months to the clock is county town so let me just to the line. He's going to be credible. Physiology spout off the barrier tent. He's lost daughter pros aw right off the comes over fifty five cows out by eight BEKKER's catcher. Can you believe that I came back in two thousand thirteen or fourteen heard the French version. I'm going Oh. That's a lot more exciting physical built placebo gold gold. He said on it but C._C.. Civilly well no funeral appeal the Go-to no in your in your up to try new feet so I didn't know that was going on live job so I had no clue that obviously everybody's aware that he was losing time. I didn't have any any clue I didn't know about writing so it was exciting to find out that I took uh of almost a mid autumn ended up yeah seconds you win the tour by seconds the closest ever margin in my opinion most dramatic and exciting tour not just because of the final David because the way the Jersey went one way or the for sure you both had good days and both bad days and crucially they were on different days. That's what made it so exciting wasn't it. No I think that time-trial was the bonus at the end. I mean obviously because people people thought going to win it three days before before hitting on takes it back. He thinks he's GonNa win. Win It and that's about as good as you get from racing perspective it is true. It's very rare. I have to say like three tour but the two dude I wonder against really really tough competitors and it's not the same when nineteen ninety this a cakewalk literally had three matures like that that competition that would have been a totally different experience for me but I've always had it where these challenge to my Max and that's what made that tourist particular eighty six eight nine it was it was wasn't just a cakewalk. It was a battle. That's what's nice well. I think you guys have got to go get car car behind again banal one last question when you see the time trials at the tool and everyone in that position now I know you want the first to use the tribe ause or the time-trial balls in in competition. You were the most iconic because you won the two of the Franz using them. We're keeping me Davis probably the first one but he didn't win the tool seconds but defillo like you kind of the vanguard at that technology aerodynamics. I mean most writers don't really know but every how they use Aceros I actually designed that which indentity so that every time you can see today is what I really played a role in and then the barred for anything I could see the opportunity but yeah I think Oakley glasses all the stuff that you see today's standard happen eighty five eighty six so that's cool part of being part of that the history of his I gotta play that part to go guys greg pleasure to see you cathy. Thank you very much thank you. This has been an episode of kilometer zero by the cycling podcast. Coloma two zero is supported by Hans grow showers and taps the producer with Adam Valley.

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Winning in The Kitchen Meal Plans are HERE!

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Winning in The Kitchen Meal Plans are HERE!

"From coaching, I'm Frank Overton and this. Is Our training tips podcast. Being able to get faster is based on being able to escape. You GotTa crime the Doj Oh to laugh on the battlefield, the shit that kill them I always always an advocate that you could accomplish more. With sweet spot training, the riding to alone fall gas hard as you can performance endurance nutrition. And weight loss is all about. Winning in the kitchen is what would Allah Philippe do just season yourself getting faster? Welcome to the fast cap podcast where we're on a mission to make you faster cycles Pascal founder head coach Frank Overton. Long. gradings, coalition members. I hope you all doing. Well, today, we have a very varied good episode for you. Today, we are talking about our new winning in the kitchen meal plan, and we have Jackson long in the House says always. Say. Hello Hello In, the flow lo in the flow, and we also have our community manager and registered Dietitian. Lacy revette making her podcast debut. Say Hello Paradise. And everyone we are going to talk about winning in the kitchen. Jackson, do you remember episode number two? I do I do I remember? Yes. I, remember it. Well, I remember just. It's funny. It's been awhile obviously since we started this thing, but it's it's still feels like not that long ago when we were recording in your in your old house. Up In boulder and yeah. So episode to definitely we just. Got Got right into the nutrition early on. That's right. I mean, we always podcast about topics that we were most interested in speaking about in that particular day and. Episode number. Two, for the faithful and loyal listeners was may twenty, eight, two, thousand, eighteen. We covered what winning in the kitchen was and Jackson. Do you WanNa tell the listeners a little bit about just what winning in the kitchen is the like the concept that we introduced back then. Absolutely I mean winning the kitchen, I think is kind of a philosophy that that we kinda created and. as most of you probably experienced by now I, definitely take a little bit of a philosophical approach food beyond just nutrition and health and performance. It's you know I, think winning in the kitchen. Obviously, is is definitely performance in health focus, but I think it's it's more of a philosophy. It's like a lifestyle. It's. It's how you see food how you approach it. How you you know are basically taking. This thing which is food and eating and nutrition, and all that into your own hands as a factor, you can control in in your life and I think a lot of US athletes tend to. Take sort of a passive approach to the nutrition and just sort of like You know go for my ride and then eat whatever and and I can eat whatever because I trained a lot. But I like to think of food nutrition has this sort of secret weapon for for athletes in. Citing winning in the kitchen, just even that phrase sort of embodies that. So that's I. Think I'm pretty sure that's what we talked about. Maybe I wasn't as philosophical back then but. Yeah, I could go off on his. Back, then may twenty eighth both you and I. We were getting ready for the crusher in the Tushar and has. As we Kinda laid out in that episode, power to weight ratio is probably. Going to define your performance at that at that race, and we didn't want to talk about just like cutting calories and getting skinny. We wanted to talk about healthy. Go fast food choices that you could make to make a big difference in in your life, not just for the six weeks leading up to race as a ton of climbing and it, but does. What nutritionists will will proclaim or just expound upon that really eighty percent of weight loss occurs in the kitchen and twenty percent occurs on the bike and. For that goes completely against the Eddy Merckx. Expression. You know rod more eat less in. Really. It's. It's. It's. It's be smarter about your nutrition choose healthy healthier, go fast foods, and then we went on to outline what's go fast foods. What's go slow foods and then Jackson? Do you remember what would Alpha Felipe? Do I think we coined that in two, thousand, nine, nineteen when he was wearing the the Polka Dot Jersey. So, I think winning the kitchen is become a recurring theme in the podcast in. I think we're like at one hundred episodes now, maybe something I've lost count It's something that we come back to ever so often. Yeah, we're looking right now. We're actually this episode. No Way. We'll be one hundred I'm not even kidding. That's crazy. We're. Very appropriate. Well, thank you a couple of those re posts, but still I mean a hundred, a hundred episodes put out is epic. So epic. Yeah well. When you have something to say, it just comes out easy and. Yeah you know what we're talking about today's something. and. Then I guess we should. Maybe backup a teeny bit in. I think shortly after one of those episodes, Jackson you and I, we started to pitch the idea of of writing a cookbook. I don't know when that when not idea was created later on what later on. Yeah, and then. We had a private facebook group which has. Evolved into the fast forum in by the way, anyone can go over there right now, enjoying the conversation for free. It's open everyone and. We floated the idea of a winning in the kitchen cookbook and a lot of our listeners you know were like, yes, lots huge response, and we got a huge response from winning in the kitchen that podcast in. Writing a cookbook, it turns out is Yeah very time consuming and a lot of work and I would agree. Even. Then as I, you know there wasn't probably like a week or a month went by those can't. We should start this and I'm. Really though I think what a lot as I thought about it since we're so big into plans and we basically lay it out of like, Hey. Here's what you do for training. I think there's a big difference in talking about the difference in like sweet spot training and polarized training. It or laying it out in training plan that people can use actionable items since so. We can talk about winning in the kitchen and winning in the grocery store grocery lists and everything, but I think to really bring the point home is to provide a plan. For for athletes are or our listeners to just use to win in the kitchen so. It, all full circle. That's what we have now is a meal plan in training peaks. which lays out to eat for for four weeks a breakfast lunch and dinner plus snacks It's You know at this point, I, probably should turn it over to you lacey and let you. Tell us a little more about it. Yes, I mean, that's immune. Bright collaborate on this for a long time. Just because. For us that we we cook all the time, and so you take for granted how easy it is to meal prep wanting to do it. and. So our basis of the meal plan is to religious slowly introduce athletes who might not have ever cooked before or if they do, it's very minimal. To concepts that will help them. Win Kitchen, which is the main one of those prepping so. We have like beginning in week one, we start really easy like you make chicken and rice and then. The meals in week one, they're they're relatively pretty simple. Their basic But the great thing about that is you can always add in sauces and we give. Recommendations for Adnan like home Assir Pico or walk because it really helps to add a lot of flavor. And then each week you have three recipes. You can protect them and. We even know in in the meal plans that you're not gonna get it right the first time like don't get down yourself like you might burn something. You might get the quantities wrong and you might have your rice be too sticky. It's fine like this is a learning process and that's The whole reason intra plan is once you can do this. You can move onto more advanced plans. Which So it's Like five meals of your five of your dinners. Are Pretty much the same And then on the weekends, you have a different breakfast is. The whole point of these plays well is to make sure that they match your training plan. So you're. All work is done for you. I'm making sure you're getting extra carbs in the weekends to fuel those long rides. You can chase after your friends in the group, right? If you're doing those. In there's recovery snacks included. We have two snacks a day for most days You will notice if you buy a plan that. Some, days only have one snack in that because you're training loads lighter. So. Not trying to over to the calories. Speaking of calories. Those aren't including here because that's kind of. Again. Is An introduction you don't have to be. Obsessed about the quantities of what eating? It's a suggestion. If you add a cup in three Fourth Cup, it's fine. we just want you to start eat more Greens. Less processed foods in learning. How to grocery shop so On that note. There is a grocery list included which has plenty of notes and should answer just about any question you might have When you go to the store, you have quantities, there's even like little. WE PUT IN A. Column. So you can print this out and check off if you already have that item. So when you go to the grocery sorts in and out. In like hopefully thirty minutes or less But if you're like me and you stop and renew traditionally would you might be a little bit longer? That's it's four weeks. So they increasingly more difficult. the meal preps in week two, you add in like sweet potatoes and Tofu. And then week four. Week, three is actually simpler. But that's because we're trying to encourage people to test out our granola recipe and get a low adventurous 'cause. That's a little bit different than making racer salting some meat. a lot of guys don't really bake. So I want to try to encourage them to step outside their comfort zone and. You know you. You make one look one batch of it and you get fourteen servings I think so. And it really it place your advantage. and. Then week four, we have been put it all together. So we give a sample mill plan but. We really want them to take the reins and. Mix it up. Whatever meals you liked go ahead and buy the ingredients and make those. so that way it's tailored to you. What makes you feel? Best? Do you have. To add on that Frank. Lampard for like. Five minutes straight there so much to talk about about it. you know a couple of concepts that That Jackson I've talked about over the years is nine recipes, ten minutes or less on we include. Some, some core equipment that you'll need, you'll need a rice cooker That's what you'll use. Obviously for your rice. You can rice cookers out there We'll also steam your Broccoli in that. Also Cook your keen walk in so. We can. So you need a rice cooker, you need a killer setup wear from a past times, Ridgemont, high reference, and. The meal prep Monday when you make a chicken for the next four meals, then it goes in your killer, sat a wear and so Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. Really you're not doing any long like cooking cooking. You're basically taking your all the prep food out of your setup. And put together in the in the like the recipes of the meals that we provide you in the plan in. So that just kind of. It what I discovered when I began my journey nutrition and trying to win in a kitchen and eat healthy and in all, that is when you first start trying it. You really get overwhelmed if you have to. You know cook a like spent forty five minutes in the kitchen for each meal for like I mean, that's just unattainable for like lunch or four breakfast, and so you have to streamline that, and so we're kind of. In the way that we design it like a cycling training plan for. Is the way we've Kinda presented this. This meal plan is like we're going to teach you how to. Prepare the food and do everything that you need to do. This will go back to our winning in the kitchen. I'm sorry, are winning in the grocery store podcast. I don't remember when we recorded that Jackson but. Do. You remember the Youtube video that we made where we went to the farmer's market, and then whole foods. One of my favorites like classic in I know. We've. What do you remember the the biodynamic of rocket lettuce Moroccan, rocket lettuce and like for for those of you new to the PODCAST, rocket lettuce is a ruge and. It's one of the three Greens we recommend. You know, Kale Arugula Spinach, and one of the things I've found out when I was just looking into a regular is it's very rich in nitrates like more. So than beet juice or be power sky like four, hundred times in. So that's why we call it rocket lettuce and. Lacey came up with what? What was recipe? A rocket rap. Yeah. It's the rocket. Right I think that's in week three. Yeah A. My basis behind that is that. A lot of athletes they're on the go like they're in school or at work in like that recipe literally takes. Maybe four. If you have your chicken ready it or whatever protein because I give a couple of options you can wrap it up, put it in the paper towel and his if bag and. Get going in. You have a healthy nutritious meal with you. You can throw in your like almonds and fruit with you to take. Well, be a that's Kinda. The thing with the meal prepping like you're saying like you're setting yourself up for success, it's just like if you were. To Take your bike the night before ride and pump up the tires and put your saddlebag on like heavier garment mounted like you're ready to run out the door and you're much more likely to be on time into execute your workout. To. Your this capability, if you prepare yourself. That's right, and so we're basically just kind of trying to teach you in this introductory winning. In the kitchen meal plan, you know all the steps in the habits to develop to. Begin to Prepare these these recipes in a in a timely manner and so. That's why we like the OATMEAL or the Muesli with the egg and the freedom. That's all these. All these recipes are ten minutes or less. Meal Prep, Monday's going to be a little bit longer but it's worth. It basically is sustained you for the next the essentially the work week and I. Guess, we should say meal pet Monday doesn't have to be just. Monday. Because you can also get a head start on Sunday. If you have more tom on Sunday, you know knowing that Mondays can be hectic and then. We also include a meal prep Friday although it doesn't illiterate like meal prep Monday. But basically that that's going to cover you for your meals on Saturday and Sunday. And one of the reasons I like the meal prep is because when you go off and you do these big four, five, six hour rides that we prescribe in our training plans there's nothing better than coming home to a fridge that's got killer set. Set of Tupperware with everything already cooked prepared. You really kind of need to mix. You're like we have a chipotle Burrito bowl for after your ride on on Saturdays and Sundays, in you just come back and you kind of you have everything already there. So you just you know heated up and you know wolf it down, which is a dramatic difference from like his younger and I would like you I wasn't even. Proactive enough to have food in the fridge, then you have to like shower. Get dressed, and then you have to drive or because you don't WanNa, ride your bike anymore to the to a restaurant or worse the grocery store, and then you're shopping and you're eating while you're in the store meanwhile, you just kind of you miss that glycogen window. So we're just teaching you the good habits have to. Like, put everything altogether, you helps with your recovery and It's obviously it's a lot easier than. Gosh going back out after you've come back from a big long Rod. Yeah. That's we. Even there's recovery snacks included, which don't the athletes have to eat. There is suggestion like. I told frank like sometimes to a group ride and we stop and we have a beverage afterwards and I like to pack something with me that's portable to make sure I'm getting in some like carbs replace glycogen stores that can riding it on Sunday, but if I mean you could take the Burrito with you, but it just a little bit easier to have an apple win like some Granola if you're sitting in. A little pub or something talking to people than it is to have a full meal, but you WanNa make sure that you're getting in. Food directly after your because that's gonNA benefit your recovery. Chime in quickly to I think you know part of why we've talked about this so much on the podcast is. is coming back to philosophical Jackson mode is like, what's the? Why? Behind all of this, right? It's like it's you know you have to also keep in mind to have. You know it's one thing to just like follow the plan perfectly, but it's also. I think really important to remember why you're doing it and sort of the the reasoning for for doing it especially in these times when. A. Lot of uncertainty. But but one thing that is completely under our control, right is what we put in our body and and it makes a huge difference makes a you know much more of an impact in my opinion than you know, buying a new set of carbon wheels or you know going to the wind tunnel or something. It's like those are the those are marginal gains were talking about. But with nutrition, especially if you have neglected thus far in your life. is going to make him such a huge difference and so. I always like to just mention that it's so important to sort of flip that narrative in your athletic mind of just like food is this thing that like, yeah, I have to like you know after remember to write down my grocery list and scrambled to the grocery store and do all this food prep. But but it's also I. Think just a great experience to take ownership over that and flip that switch to something that you WanNa do and that you're excited about and so hopefully, these these meal. Meal plans and kind of these conversations that we have and I think it has I mean from just seeing what people are saying in the form and the response to the podcast and stuff is that it is transitioning that that perspective towards like no, I wanna I really WanNa. Make this a part of my lifestyle. I. Want to get excited about it. I'm curious about new recipes. I. Look Forward to going to the grocery store to pick up my food and I look forward to you know using even. Cooking food as sort of a meditative experience, a mindfulness practice. I mean, that's something that I really look forward to at the end of a long day is is is prepping and putting together a meal. I don't look forward to the dishes, but usually I make my roommates do the dishes and I'll cook the food. But you know things like that. I. Think just flipping that narrative is like is super critical in that and changing that perspective a little. Yeah. I'll add to that like especially who don't cook often like it's a big barrier. Young to get over to think about doing this like cold Turkey like just starting. It just like when you start writing for me have been riding racing really two two and a half years, and you need to hold your hand in like teach you the ways in. That's that's the point of this meal plan in also talking about. How you mentioned it being like performance increase. That is not only true for everyone, but even more so. Myself, I have I struggled with. IBS, for like a really long time in like. It took me probably hear of training in like understanding my body to know what I couldn't couldn't eat. To, make sure I didn't have my stomach, flip on me. It was our three every time in a ride, it would just turn. But now that I know how to feel myself properly in. How to time my mules. because. It isn't. It's very individual. I can ride five six hours at a time without having my stomach. Go crazy in at all about what you put in your mouth. Yeah I mean, the to Jackson's point about this is this is a meal plan like this. It just teaching the ways as you say is the opposite of marginal gains I. Mean, this is significant massive. Meant substantial monumental gains. I mean. This kind of reminds me of the the. The teacher man to fish or you know give a man, a fish type thing. We're predominately teaching you how to fish here to how to help prepare. You know not only prepare, but just the way that you should eat in or not like way. You should eat like definitive. There's many many things we're just introducing A. One Way am. The, that that reminds me to mention that this is a four week, a meal plan, but you know you can use this over and over. And I'll have to say just be completely honest. This is Kinda the way I eat in. This is the way I've You just handled myself in the kitchen for about the last three years in. That I can speak for like Jackson I. Know You're plant. This is kind of how you approach your your nutrition same way with you lacy but it Is. It. It's just a like a great way of introducing someone that's that wants to begin to win in the kitchen wants to eat eat more healthy knows that they need to to make a change. This just provides some framework to begin that And the I guess what we should talk about. Maybe going all the way back to like day day one, bay CD. WanNa, talk about the the grocery list and the meal prep guide. Yes. Oh in the. Plan on the first day, you'll get the overhaul. View what you're doing, what you need to buy. What kitchen items you need that way, you're really able to plan out how it's GonNa work. Essentially. And then you have the grocery list which I said, it's very detailed You will. There's a lot of notes in there because. A lot of the are flexible. So if you WANNA do it with plant based ingredients like Tofu or Tim, Bay You can do that. You can even add extra beans to make as your protein sources somebody like for example, on the weekend for the chipotle. Burrito Bowl somebody doesn't have time. To prep that chicken Friday night like scrambled eggs, metro beans, like you're going to get a good source of protein. It does the groceries is very detailed. It gives you a column to check off what you need. It tells you tips for like how to ensure something's fresh like asparagus. For example, you need to check the tips of one because. If they're wilted. They're not gonNA. Last the whole week in you, WanNa, make sure you have enough. To last for those five meals that you're making for dinner. And then there's also a master meal. PREP, guide included that way. You can print that out. You can have it in your kitchen and you know exactly what you need to do. You don't have to get your phone all. Dirty. With your cooking hands. And it really just helps to like see everything in the big picture. So you're not overwhelmed ballot looking can training peaks, it's going to be. A lot of things, but all those. Things that you're seeing, it's repeated. So it's the same meal, you just see it on every day so that you get the notification in your email Katie which eating for dinner or this, what's for lunch? And then each of the recipes that are in train peaks, there's a pdf attached serve. An athlete feels it's more beneficial for them to print out. Have Mojo in the kitchen with your meal prep guide, like you can lay down the counter, you can cook with your family without having to pull out the laptop or your phone. Because said, you can use the recipes, straightened training peaks tubes. If you do that, that's fine We're just trying to give options for. All, the athletes is what works for one person doesn't work for everyone Try to cover all the bases. Make sure everybody can be successful. Yes. So OUR MEAL PREP guide is starts with five. Like outlines into the you know we introduced the nine winning in the kitchen recipes which we should talk about here second. Of already mentioned the equipment needs a rice raise cougar killer set a tupperware cast iron skillet. Roll introduce what's the go fast foods and the go slow food choices things to avoid. There is the fourth section is how to plan your Enron nutrition, and then we finish with like what we're talking about this grocery list, and so the list is the same as what we've podcast about years. You got your core carbohydrates a rice, keen wa sweet potatoes, you got your Greens. A ruge. Kale Spinach, you have your vegetables, Broccoli asparagus, Brussel sprouts, and then the healthy fats like Avocados, almond butter and. Yeah, probably left out a few fruit. Obviously, we're a big fan of fruits like I mean, Jackson. We did last me. We did a whole podcast on snacks winning in the kitchen snacks which was guess. The super cliff notes version was eat fruit and almonds. But. Yes we it all up there. It's. It's we mean, we present it in a way. It's not overwhelming and if you buy a cookbook these days, it's It'll have like a bunch of introductory pages. There's, and then you look at each recipe I'll have a confession to make, I got my wife girlfriend at the time this Assad this book at the. Anthropology. It was called date night and it was a cookbook about an inch thick of all these elaborate, a recipes and. Abroad. Hope kind of is a joke for my wife and. She took it to heart and and she'll spend a Saturday afternoon. Trying to cook these recipes in. Bless her heart. But they come, they're difficult to make. So they come out not perfect when you your first time and then also takes like forever to go shop for these. Are. Chaotic thing. That's that's the opposite of what we're doing with this meal plan is very simple. Easy to prepare recipes. That obviously the ten minutes or less that was very important and Should we go over the The grocery list at a high level. So I already mentioned a ruge and Kale Bell peppers asparagus Broccoli Carrots. Avocados, I, think you have some cucumbers in their red onions, sweet potatoes, some lines, fruits, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, obviously, bananas and apples were big fans of for proteins. Now, this is a biggie. We. We have plan, paste, and flexibility and options. So eggs, a lot of the recipes will be rice and eggs in the morning salmon, the salmon watts recipe for dinner There's there's that check in boneless skinless, chicken breasts, and then Tofu. Extra firm. Black beans and then options there miscellaneous items. This gets back to like the sauces and spices that will help you flavor your meals to kind of make you I. Mean, you can take one of these recipes in. With a different saucer spice that you can go from, say like a tex-mex style to maybe like a like A. Like a stir fry style with like just using teriyaki sauce, for example, We do get in the. So those are like the perishable items is the ones you're going to need to. Do the big shop once a week type thing. Maybe like a Sunday. Shot to in order to have your your everything for your meal prep. Monday, and then. We also get into the the the non perishable items that items where you could maybe go to costco or just do a giant shop, and they'll. There's are the items that are going to cover you for. Maybe like the whole link of the whole plan like months at a time, which are like olive oil, almond butter, coconut oil obviously almonds your core carbohydrates See we have oat flour. See that would be a weird one in my book, but Lacey's got this really nice Oat flour. Pressing forward has. The. The closest texture found like whole wheat flour in its. Very Nutrient. Dense. I found it a king supers yesterday in Safeway. So I know. They have it there in my if you can't find it that you can always have like regular whole wheat flour. Gluten free flower. The recipe will still work just fine. Also I. Note that talking about this staples list in the frozen items section. I am a huge huge fan of they're called the brands like door it, but door I, don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. But the like little house fellowships, it's D. O. R. ARE NOT. Trader Joe's Hasim. Walmart has. Of King's super. I haven't really looked because I don't buy them there. but it's through one cube is equivalent to one garlic clove and you just pop it out and throw it round stove. It tastes better in my opinion like those permits jar garlic's in the jar. Because those havoc, almost metallic flavor to them. which I mean, they're fine. They. They do the trick, but these are like. The best. I them, but you can also sub Any of the recipes calls for fresh garlic. I believe every recipe I give tips that you can just use garlic powder. You, don't have garlic. Like you run out so Dora Gardens Dot Com for everyone out there. It's a good. It's a good tip. A lot of the things that we recommend you purchase in the store will save you time the kitchen to get you into that that ten minutes or less. That's why I am a giant fan, the one. kind of indulgent item I purchase at whole foods on a regular basis, is that the Pico the fresh Pico Salsa because it's just way better than like Ajar Salsa, and it just makes. The makes a lot of tastes better like your rice and eggs or your chicken and Broccoli or your same in Watts, for example. The Pico, salsa to that. It's it's more expensive than if you do it on obviously than the jar, but. A to make that I've tried to make it before, but it takes I'm not a fan of chopping vegetables about you guys, but I don't know that's. Like. It's like meditation for me in. With another week, so that have a busy week, I'm just like you know, really don't feel like cooking this week. So I have. A by these, the easier like shortcuts which they're not. They're not unhealthy. They're just easier for that week and they fit my lifestyle. That's nothing to lose. This is going to help you to like understand how much time you have. Some athletes. Might be working ten hour. A day job and like. Also training in the afternoons and they have spent time with their families like. You know if that's the case I would even tell an athlete like by some pre cooked frozen like shredded chicken like make sure doesn't have any preservatives or weird stuff in it. But like back and save you twenty more minutes to spend with your kids, you know you could. Like making the rice in the rice cooker is like super easy. But if that seems to overwhelming at first like go to trader, Joe's they have frozen like brown rice or white rice. All you do is throw in the microwave. There's no preservatives. It's super quick and easy speaking of trade shows, and you're talking about that Peco, they have peco there and it's super cheap like it's. To nine WANNA. Say which is. The same out the same price you'll find like. That, any grocery store so? I'm Hugh Fair Joe. Samantha can't tell. I like trader. Joe's I. Think I went there? Yes, there day. But. You reminded me of a two things. One of the things I. Like about being plant base is Tofu has a fairly short prep and. While we don't have the general sales tofu recipe in this meal plan a look for it in more are more advanced winning in the kitchen plans, but if you do prep your tofu still. It comes from the recipe that was on Vegan Hugs Dot, com Charles House foods. So good, and then the other. Time saving winning in the kitchen. Maybe prototype is rotary chicken. So you they. They now. Jackson. They now have those. Ready to go in the checkout line at whole foods, and so it's like, did you forget your rotisserie chicken? Are you worried about? Like what you're going to make when you get home, take this with you and then you just kind of. They're even hot. So it's like already cut. Tintri chicken. You can take those and if you don't like if it's just you and you're not gonna eat it before the best because usually rotisserie chickens don't have like a super long shelf life. Just, pull it off, bone, putting his bag and freeze it, and then you can tho that out in throwing your AAA, Burrito, bowl or. With your rice for lunch with the Broccoli. Super Quick and. Yeah I remember Frank. Just quickly, the like when I was racing at C. You. We would. You think you. We did that little training camp remember. Yeah. Before Gooch nationals and we were we were throwing down on the on the chicken fried rice So good, and so that's another great way to make that rotisserie chicken go along ways. Is. I mean you could do with Tofu to if you wanted. But do do the do the fried rice throat in. You could freeze that too. If you wanted probably an end just you know, put it in the wear and save that how that throughout the week. Ya I mean chicken fried rice, the recipe from Allan Lamb over scratch labs. The you can make I mean if you make a walk full of the Chicken Fried Rice, you'll have enough for like two or three or four meals afterwards and. The conversation. I. Have with many many athletes is when they do a road trip is like where you're going to eat on this road trip and they usually the answer is water. No. Just look for something along the way. It's like, why don't you use your killer setup aware and the night before you go on your road trip makeup? A big serving of chicken fried rice, and then that goes in your killer temporary. You know you don't even really need to heat it back up as long as you don't like freeze, it just keep it in a cool A. Cooler in the car. Yeah. You know you can. Just it saves so much time to. Little. Yard. Chess like you can pack your breakfast lunch and dinner in that thing with an ice pack and your food will be cold for two days. So it's like a little mini fridge in your vehicle Stephanie. He traveled on race lot. It's worth the investment. Yeah. Yeah. Even with the. Would require separate podcast. But like you know that, AAA Burrito or eventually the AAA Burrito, that's in this meal plan. If, you're going to a race and you have like an hour trip back. You know it's super pro have your premade AAA Burrito waiting for you in the car for you to consume on the way home as opposed to searching out. Or going out of your way to find a like a AAA restaurant because in that hangar hits you you're probably you're going to be so focused on just eating that you're not gonNa make the best choices that you could. Make the choice ahead of time, you don't worry about it when you finish, that's that's right. So, let's move on from the grocery list winning in the kitchen grocery lists. Let's talk about the nine winning in the kitchen recipes that you'll find in this plan, and let's start with breakfast. And this is one that we have Jackson. This is our our ten minutes unless less rice and eggs video that we made. The it's super simple, but the key to this is. You gotTa have your your Rice premade in your. Side a tupperware because if you try to steam rice every in the morning, guess what that takes like forty five minutes, and then this is now longer winning in the kitchen. It's waiting in the kitchen for the rights to be done, and so again, this is what we're kind of you know coaching you through. But once you have it made up, this recipe is ten minutes less in your cast iron skillet. There's a great video in this plan, you can also funded over on our. Youtube Channel. Other breakfast items, just a mix it up are the OATMEAL and Muesli. We've referenced this in the past. Muesli is kind of. Fulfills that that? K, give many athletes I speak to our grew up on cereal or still do the cereal thing in their adult life. You can just do a lot better than anything from a box, but mutually. Mostly. Cook it like you do meal and you know if you have five or ten minutes, OATMEAL is great. But if you want to be even faster than that, that's why I like the Bob's red. Mill Muesli you know slice a few dates in there. You can even add lacey's homemade granola to that if you want a little bit crunch and then that's a great five minutes or less I put oat milk in the only brand. that. You introduce me to Jackson and. Yeah, I mean it. It's just like cereal putting a ball. In fact, that's what I had before this podcast this morning because I rode my bike and I rode my bike as much as I could. But not. So long that would be late to this podcast. I. Just use the head Muesli. I'm a big big fan. It's been kinda might go to breakfast for basically the last six months probably. Probably I'd been doing my Go-to Mixes I. I really like The forager Cashew Yogurt inside mix mix. It just Cashew Milk Yogurt You could do hill or normal yogurt but just mix that in with bananas. Berry's seat. Pumpkin. Seeds little bit of mess or up treselle cinnamon I mean set money in the bank. I? Think that's a really good too. You can have that post ride. Your rush because it's relatively high in carbohydrates, which will help after a big ride. I buy to the rice and eggs like I have been eating at for a long time. For some reason, the thought of eating something. Sweet. Like most mornings, sometimes I crave it but. something. Sweet before long ride. I. Know I'm going to be eating a ton of sugar like just like. I can't my brain does not want to eat it like I just want something savory. To get me going. The. Speaking of. Having like personal preferences, this plan does allow you to drag and drop the the meals to maybe. Fulfill, what you are in the mood for that day, just like how you can move like a sweet spot workout from Wednesday to Thursday in our training plants, you can move a like a Muesli from a Saturday over to a Tuesday, for example. I love my Muc-. That's what I do when I'm on the road. Maybe like a gravel race in the morning, it doesn't require a stove because that can just basically pour it in a bowl and I keep oat milk little. Cool. And Yeah, it's good to go the third and final breakfast is the oath pancakes which we referenced with bananas and Almond Butter. Do you want to tell us a little bit about those briefly lacy? Those are like one of my favorites. Usually, that's surprisingly for me. I, don't do a big portion, but like on the day after like usually on. Monday. I love that because. You're. You're always hungry after the days after the big rides. We I just came up with a super simple like the battery takes like probably four minutes to make. It's very flexible being here. Elevations, I typically bump up the. Baking powder and they're just because it helps to make them fluffier of your fan of thin like crip sow pancakes you can. Cut. That down a little bit, you can throw in some cinnamon or vanilla extract few want more flavor if you like those. but yeah, get nutrient dense. You have it with some eggs and some fruit. Just a really good way to get your morning going especially if you're A. Fan, of, sweet breakfast. Yeah, and you can also. I think. It's important. Maybe just a rotate through these breakfast options as you go. Go forward because you know eating rice and eggs, every morning can get Kinda old I WANNA move onto dinner real quick, and then finish with with lunch lunch is the most dynamic because that for a lot of athletes that involves. Making, it portable bringing it with you to work or in a busy day. Needing to have have a quick lunch I think gone are the days of the one hour lunch, and then I know a lot of our athletes, they don't really take a lunch break they. You know in the wintertime, a lot of us, we rod during that time. So you know coming back to the kitchen after a ride and then spending that time making lunch that there's just not enough time in the day, but but first dinner, the Salmon Watts This is a one of my recipes It's a basically it's a it's kind of like a salmon, a stir fry with asparagus and. you basically in on you need to burner. So you'RE GONNA. Chop your vegetables, your red peppers, green peppers, yellow peppers, onions, garlic in a walk. You'RE GONNA take spare in. Maybe. I. Can't remember how many stocks is that the proper term fern asparagus. Piece. Stock. GonNa take you know four to six of those cut in one inch pieces. And over medium heat, you just add your peppers, your onions, and then add in your Avenir asparagus last because you don't want to overcook that asparagus and it becomes like your grandma used to serve you whereas mushy and not tasty to keep my asparagus nice firm. So add that in last. But while you're chopping your battles cook your salmon. And then what I like to do with the salmon is cut it into like one inch cubes, and in that goes in the stir fry, you've had your. Your peppers in your asparagus than a little Teriyaki over the top of that. Really really tasty, and then the other recipe we have for dinner is the the rice. The rice chicken and Broccoli those cover. Are, five. Winning in the kitchen core food groups, and then so getting back to lunch, this is what we were talking about. The portable one. We've already covered the AAA Brita bottle. We've covered the rocket rap. What's in Iraq it rap lacy. The Rockefeller that's going to be there's a ruge, there's Hamas will help to. Bump up the fiber content of the meal because. That's one thing I noticed a lot of athletes don't get fiber either one. They're focused on getting enough protein. They end up eating way too much protein and carbs. or they eat a lot of CARBS, but they're very like not nutrient dense to white bread, white Pasta to this, we use the Tortilla, it can be for, you don't necessarily have to make it but. Choose Holy, can it has Hamas sundried tomatoes, which is. A very different flavor from US further meals. So it Kinda changes up. Your palate doesn't get bored. There are some cucumbers and red onions. You have an option of protein sources. You could use chicken of your plant based in here in a rush, you can either use like us in the pre cook chicken earlier or canned tuna works as wealthy during it out. basically, slap some Hamas on their in layer all the ingredients up, wrap it up either eat or. Eat It late in the day when you have time to stop for lunch. And that is very similar to the other lunch. We provide in the plan, that's the bowl of health it's inspired by. Fast Athlete Phil. Gaming Heyoo. When we were developing this plan. He was like posting pictures of some bowl of health that he was making basically a giant bowl of like Kale and it put some Other, just yummy vegetables in there and Do you WanNa tell us quickly about what's in that and now is also regarded. You can tell we're big fan of that. You can use any like darkly degreen though. There's chickpeas in there. There's cucumbers, red onions again. We throw in some dried fruit just because it's a good source of fiber in carbohydrates. There's Rosato in resuscitate, which is one of the things you meal prep beginning of the week. So you meal prep enough to have five, pose a health. Funny Bowl, five balls of healthier. And then. You basically, just you can. Either, you could meal prep a couple of these at a time But I'm always always say don't make more than maybe two or three salads, lettuce will begin to wilt. We. Kept it super basic. There is like a very good Tahini. Salad dressing recipe will probably throwing the advanced planes that really takes to the next level, but regardless, it's Super Nutrient dense. It's tasty in easy. Special meal prep. Yeah. I can't. We can't emphasize that the meal prep enough, and then if you ever see like a cyclist, do remember we did our federal shoot lacy and we met in the parking lot there. There's as a sitting in his car. Eaten is salad out his killer Sutter Tupperware I mean. In this restarted. Reporter filming. Yeah, I, mean the the these recipes are meant to go in A. Tupperware and then go with you to work and. In a bag or a backpack, or you just bring the Tupperware and they don't require. Once you've got them in your Tupperware Annita of fork. You don't necessarily need to heat up or anything, and so they're they're going to facilitate new being able to. Follow. This meal plan. It's, it's probably we're not far from. From FTF T. F. P. MP type, Hashtag And Yeah. So we're just trying to set you up for first success, but making this easy easy to follow easy to prop you you can. Like, I don't know about you guys, but but I really like making my coffee the evening before, and then I said, put it on a timer, and so when I come down to the kitchen in the morning, it's brewed and you get to enjoy coffee first thing in the morning. If you just glass. That just makes my heart. My Soul, hurt. I. I. Used to love the ritual of the process and I I slow it down and take take a ten ten fifteen minutes to make it. But yeah. I get it. Minutes. My goodness. That's valuable writing. For me. It depends on the day. I loved grandma beans and I do a French Press. Some nights before if I have the five, am wake up out way out the beans and put them in the grinder so that when I wake up I just I, grind it, but I do love the process of like. I'm super lazy to now watering microwave, and so I just boil it in port over mix it up and kind of extending goodness. Think the coffee affection others just. Threw up a little in their mouth. Yeah. I have a very intentional like i. just think the morning is sacred and I hate rushing in the morning. So it's You, know. Diverge. Grat coffee into the PODCAST, point. To. Make big, mistake. Salon common ground. Maybe. After you get through doing all your dishes and cleaning up the kitchen, maybe spend five or ten minutes. You put your your your bowl, a healthier rocket rap in into your killer, set a Tupperware, and then when you ride in the morning and the back shower get dressed and you, you know nowadays everyone's working from home. But you know as we go forward and then you you just region the fridge APPs. One. In the kitchen for your rice and eggs or OATMEAL Muesli. And then boom that one piece of Tupperware with your rocket rap and it goes in your bag awfully to work. poof done. You're good. You're good to go until you get back home, just just an example. We'll leave coffee out of it. Well, we'll have a future podcast on winning and the winning with coffee or something touching on the on the go thing I'm. I. Mean obviously our work remote for the most part, but I love to go see a coffee shop and work during the day, and I'll pack my rocket rap whatever. But I also. I keep a bag of like single serving trail mix in my book sectors for emergencies because you never know like the other day I got stuck with coffee shop road there and it was pouring rain and our starving in all they have. Croissants and like other pastries. Without my Granola Snack Abi winning in the kitchen. There you go. Yeah, I guess. What's the expression of? Ounce of prevention is a Prevents. Forgot, the expression, but just a little bit of preparation goes a long way with this the way that we. Present, the these recipes for you. I. You know. I. Think. We covered most everything. You know again, three new recipes per week for three weeks, and then you put put it all together, nine nine recipes in week four. This is an introductory plan, We we kind of ads, Lacey, the put her pocket protector away for this one in not. Just. Mostly focused on the practice of getting used to these recipes in eating this way what we recommend after the end of this four weeks is if you know if you're cool with this plan. Keep, keep eating this way. We'll try to introduce new recipes as we go along, but there will. Completing this plan is kind of like. High School in the new graduate up to the. The advanced winning in the kitchen plan, and then the advanced weight loss plan, and that's where Lacey does Bust out the pocket protector in give you precise caloric amounts in the in the recipes and no, it's great. With those. I am a nutrition I, love the numbers and I love the calculations, but that can become overwhelming for an athlete. So, really the whole point of our weight loss plans to kind of have that done for them. So they just it's tailored to their body weight, their activity level, their gender And they can just roll with the punches. Do what the plan says, no that they're winning in the kitchen and they're gonNA get. They'RE GONNA lose some weight and get lean. Yeah. Be Faster on the bike. Yeah, I think year. When you when you win the kitchen, the whole concept that we've talked about in the previous two years two and a half years is mostly the healthy food choices will go a long way and. Most athletes that. Come to us or listening to podcasts are just interested in climbing faster, improving their power to weight ratio. Everyone can stand to improve a pun, their nutrition. This gives them just that introduction start, and then if you find success with his plan, you WanNa, take it to the next level. That's where our advanced winning in the kitchen plans will come into play now or even doing the one on one counseling. Athletes have a ton of questions like they really want. Be Able to hands on experience with a Dietitian nutritionist an-. Learn. The INS and outs not everyone wants that, but if they do that options there. Yeah, highly recommended in Jackson. You do that as well for athletes too. Don't Ya. Yeah, I mean. I. Think like I I work a lot with plant based athletes specifically But yeah, I think the the one on one is like lacy said critical because meal plans are great I mean just like a training plan is great for just the general. John for the general person that general purpose and they have the they have a place for that. But. Everyone is sort of on their own path and they have their own. Specific needs and desires and goals, and so it's it's. It's super important. Think to to keep that in mind You know just like with athletes that work with you. Frank they you know you're able to give them a little bit more one on one time a little bit more direct feedback in co Jan, guidance and same thing goes with the nutritionist Dietitian. Things like that. Yeah. I mean we even recorded the podcast. Win To win to follow a training plan. Win To hire a coach and I think. That we did that with coaches as an Jake I think you're on that podcast, weren't you Jackson maybe? I don't yeah. I mean I think the general just to that was when want a custom solution coach? One of the things that coach brings to the table is creative creative ideas. Notes that for a nutritionist are are sorry registered Dietitian or just someone that goes one on one coaching. They're going to bring their vast experience to you. For custom solutions that go beyond a like this like training like meal plan. Sorry. That's made just for a in a general sense. So. Yeah. Keep it keep that in mind. I'm I'm very passionate about working with. Athletes? WHO HAVE GI issues. or even like our immune diseases 'cause I've suffered in struggled with both of those and you really can do a lot. And Improve Your performance in the bike by what you put in your mouth in helping to control that. Is She message. Speaking of shooting lacy, message. If anyone has any questions or wants to join the discussion about winning in the kitchen, go over to our forum formed that Fast Cat coaching dot com, there is an entire. Category on nutrition where this podcast will go. Once it's live and yeah, you know we welcome everyone's feedback or success stories You know questions about the recipes, grocery lists, meal prep time saving tips that you WanNa, share thing things like that Yeah. That that's that's I think that we should probably wrap it up their. Laptop you. Crushed it. Yeah. Alright. Well, thank you lacey for for being here. Thank you, Jackson as always for your wise words. Everyone, out there you know I realize I forgot to do the announcements? Or did I even read the the review of the week I realized we forgot to do that too. I'll keep it brief the gravel team. We're wrapping up gearing up for the virtual steamboat gravel. Psycho crossers do not be. discouraged. We have a secret training tip that's coming out probably next week, we're going to give you a six week progress progressive Wednesday world's exercises to do. And for everyone that's already thinking to twenty twenty, one with the off season training We are GONNA roll out a new at home resistance training plan. And? For let's just finish on this review of the week. This is always makes me happy and feel good review. The week comes from Paul Lander. He was on our thirty two week off season resistance and sweet spot training plant, and he says, this is the first structure training plan followed and I'm very pleased is exceeded. My expectations in many facets just finished the thirty two weeks on the intermediate version, forty, five years old. The holistic approach to the plan was impressive structure does Asian Rest Nutrition stretching coaching by? By the form in the PODCAST, and of course, building two more hours in the saddle each week than I thought I was capable of off all the while riding longer and harder than before brilliant. It's not just about the FTA, FTP gains got those, but also gained a lot more endurance and more importantly learned about how to train how to rest and recover for the next effort I look forward to repeating the plan again, starting in the fall in applying my learning to the experience of reading more gains. I. Thank you saw and on behalf of lacy and Jackson. Remember to work hard rod fast and have fun, and as always F. T. p.. T. S. N. P.. Yes. Right. Thank you. Have Fun out there piece. Everything we talk about in our podcast embodied in our training plants on fast. Cat Coaching Dot Com use the Discount Code Twenty podcasts to see for yourself for forty nine dollars. 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120: Tour de France stage 12: Chauvigny  Sarran Corrze

The Cycling Podcast

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120: Tour de France stage 12: Chauvigny Sarran Corrze

"You are listening to the cycling cast added to the phones to you by woke flexible loans built for small businesses I work dot co, Dot Gate Today Ring? Cycle. We're. All Lionel Lionel. Wearing clem affair on the capital of the massive Sancho would that be accurate? You say that. Yeah, absolutely. A Big Town I think we've been quite surprised by the kind of the metropolitan urban field. Clermont Ferrand I thought it was a An industrial backwater but doesn't feline is a tool. Used to be used to be a ton of Michelin for you know the tires for the the good and the bad. I mean the good been maybe the Michelin Guide, which you know helps us from time to time found the right places, tweets and and well, and and the world that the downside in in some ways, one of the tire industry was was almost an emotional industry in glamour fail and I think the town surfer bit one, one Michelin was not you know like every kind of sitting in industrial decline, but it's it's it's almost the only big city in the all of ovarian the and the massive Santaro you even though you look a little. Bit more north and so yeah universities are here you know some of the local authorities and powers are here as well. So yeah, that there's that feel that you're in a kind of you know as you say metropolitan pardon, my ignorance Mitchell and still here. Michelin SEAL HERE As very feels very modern and. What's the young people that saw is a city that kind of scenario in a base in isn't it? Would appear the door I mean. In. Repeated. Don't for the fronts fans really over Lukin the I mean you can see them almost from every spot when your income of. PRETTY NEAR Right, up please dome while I don't know about that. But let's stay with the Dome because we always get asked this is one of the legendary climbs of the Tour de France. It's where the famous picture of door and you're not going shoulder to shoulder I think poulidor was trying to avoid a selfie stick which is why. Why he leaned into on curtailing nine. Ago. Bringing. It right off their line he's also wear Eddy Merckx would punched in side and and in one, thousand, nine, hundred. New sophisticated today just you know went straight the riders arguably bringing his reign to a close really I mean we're GonNa win that tour. No. was. It was a big moment. Yeah. Yeah. He was one of the big moments I mean he claimed that. It really hampered. I'm in in that Tori faults like every day he didn't. It didn't go without a fight. was was. merged. No throughout in it was it was grand in defeats. Almost. As it been in victory. So but as you say that that that was one of. The signs of these of decline for sure and you see the film from so far away and especially when you come down into town, it's a real conical A. Tree covered isn't it and that's that's some kind of antenna on the tone. The last time, the Tour de France visited in one, thousand, nine, hundred and Johnny Weltz one stage ahead of raw goat's of Germany they were the two that got away Johnny Wealth of Denmark. But the tool hasn't been back and Francois. Y Not. Likely. The tool could visit. Plume has been asking every almost every year for for the rights to exceptionally go up the pedometers it says it's closed to cars now. You can ride to. It's only very occasionally the really very trying to protect the well, it's. It's you know. It was so emblematic in France and it'd be it. It becomes so touristy and like all the pieces in the because this is you know these are all the volcanoes that actually surround a Komo fell and there are so many visits to do those places that you know that that that actually becoming injured and so for for lack of the PD Dome, I mean they they really refuse still now you know to to have A cycling race to the top I know put them will press on and press on and present to get it. But for lack of the DEDOM- will have primarily on Friday because it's it's actually the humour is is even higher than Dome in these has become You know you can kind of replaced Lupita Dome in uniform for tourists as a place to go into place to be and SO I. Will See on Friday, but could become a an interesting substitute or replacement for the places though there's a A. A rack railway, the gun shop now isn't as narrow. Dorota told you know. I think the steelers still exists I really sick exist I mean I haven't been up there for many many many years but I I might impression is that it it narrowed the road but quite a bit i. think they did not make any effort to to allow cows up there. So I think it's I if Saddam has been asking for the race to go there I, think the the road is still practicable enough to to stage a race but so far it's been a no. Every, the answer has been no every year. If he manages it, will we be able to call him Christian tweeted on Ways Christian prudhomme at the moment onset somebody. Somebody said on some tennis. I Let. Her colleague Max Leonard who writes lovely books it's like Dan who featured in our two zero episode on the writer them Crabbie's book. He wrote up the Dome quite recently for one of his books are calling ah climbing mountains and he did so by probably illegally or emily illegally going up very early in the morning, and which is a pilgrimage, some people make 'em, and if you read it by what it's like to write up depleted all now then am you can read about it in his book what a thrilling stage we had today is longest siege of of the race and Something a bit different I, love stages like today's We've been singing the praises of team somewhere but I, think for their attempts every day pretty much try and win the stage often with a different rider with different tactics, different strategies, Lionel, claim that they were the best team in the first week, which was disputable, and he's now vindicated in many ways. Yeah. I. Mean It's Nice there are team that came here just for stage wins. It's been it's been good to watch them. Both in a slightly different way everything day and. I think again, we're where we benefit from the insights of Nicholas aren't who's their road camp One of our audio dire s who sends us in. Little audio clips am which she'll have heard a the episodes more 'em. There'll be more to come into motorist club in two zero. I think it's fascinating to get that insight from inside the team and you really get a sense of what the is trying to do and how they do and the process behind it. Just to be fair. I was referring to kind of like looking at the names on the roster and the impact that they had in the race. They were clearly punching above their free writes. Wait. I felt an if three guys in the top ten today, which shows you know what a team actually. Is Win was also a team efforts obviously. Well, stage Twelve Chevy to Sarah. Raise Jacques Chirac's. Territory home tone you can say the castle there. Yeah. There was a lot Jack Sherack in evidence on on the route today wasn't there. Jack she rack marked. Then, it was it was a huge. Picture made of. Agricultural. Products in in in a feel in Utah Field and. Is usually popular in the area and the new like many celebrities even politicians. People tend to like them better when they're gone then when they were still alive. In in that area, you know she was like God I mean there's there's a museum in Sao to his His name is Lana Actually Museum about Jechorek is he actually put in this museum older gifts received in his in his career as a French president. So every time he was going to to some. Official visit you know you you get some strange dish or sometimes the horse or I mean very different while I don't think the horses in the museum but anyways. So all these the stuff he collected are. Collected in the museum and of course, pictures and memories of. But you still usually popular in the area and it was it was a strange president because he was he was actually popular in the area for for left-wing in and right right wing as well. Know. When he left a power. while. The politics in France became much more divisive. Probably a trait of every nation, but he was probably the last French president that. Wet. At some popularity to be honest. Well. A you've caused Yankee ranks to the will hear later in the episode Francois we'll finish off with. The door stage as well. It wasn't it was. Yeah. Well, juncture. Act Died Law September. Raymond Poulidor died last November and it was a very early stage because he went through his hometown San Bernardino Blah and Well today stage stage twelve from Chauvinism to Sarah and as was lesson. If at first, you don't succeed, try and try again and it was third time lucky and I calmly use the word. Lucky for mark, Hershey because. Know he made it happen from himself was very, very aggressive and it's the first Swish State winner in the Tour de France since he's mentor Spartak himself. Fabio country our who won the prologue in Asia. In two thousand, Twelve Francois is nicknamed Mark Hershey of Sun Web baby sparticus, and while he rode like. swashbuckling it was aggressive. It was. Everything that we saw on the road into niece when he would by Julian Felipe everything we saw again in the Pyrenees when he was beaten by today Paul. Gotcha. But this time he's taken his first Tour de France stage in his first Tour de France and it was a real action packed day. We talk about how these days kind of have so much more life to them when the GC's done and dusted I, don't know why that is. But certainly, you feel a lot more of that it didn't feel like a sort of consolation stage or toward it felt like anything could happen out there. Then load action day a very powerful break right from the start, Richard you described it as kind of rugby front row going off in an attack emotional. Movie Star Max Val Shied of NTT The Spanish champion Louis Leon Sanchez of Astana, a Neil's polly of Israel and then mattew Boo Godot of direct. Energy. Hotel direct energy and cusp Ashbury. quickstep Bridge to cross that sets. I, see the largest break in history. In by White, weight and height. Killian Kelly. I think if you put them end to end, they reached the moon or the top of the dome. Men aboard. With a bit of help from CCC, we're in for really chase all day. Eventually. The last two men standing at green inevitably, they were brought back in two under control inside fifty to go, and then there was another break. I mean even more powerful three. Sunway. As you say, Francois, we're in now Hershey. And saw Crou- Aniston plus Mac Shagman of Bora mark, Sola of. Content or Mbe hotels or Bay A. Bay Hotel maybe. The French mark her she went clear with thirty kilometers to go and solo to a very, very impressive victory and Although there was a suspense in appearance. We felt we had a better than even shown some making it today. I didn't feel there was any doubt watching the way he climbed watching the way descended. There was a lot of action behind especially from Julian Felipe but her she held on one the stage in. Style. Of, BNB hotels will be. Pretty. Pleased with a second place tonight and shot crowd Anderson of sunset. made it two men in the top three today all the Jersey. Stay the same a hard day for everyone. But the riders didn't want to get involved in doing too much because tomorrow it's a summit, Finish it Marie and it will be well the people we've spoken to in around the team boss Paddock. Informally. Expect tomorrow to be quite aggressive from the G C right at. It could be one of those days but we are Mark Hershey Stage winner in the tour listening to the cycling podcast to you by I woke up. Flexible loans built of small businesses John Fifty thousand customers taking on light twitter. And scaling you I'd with I walk. If you run a small business, find out more at I woke up dot co Dot U. K. I. W. O. C. A.. Dot Co. Dot UK. Thank you very much to I walk sponsoring the cycling podcast. 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Was No, which we've seen unfortunately well, his yeah I mean there was a big breakaway of big riders 'em, but they were never allowed too much time and we saw a lot of work on the Front from borough handscroll and CCC. And we sort of assumed that Boron score working for pizza gone especially after his disappointment of being relegated the previous day for using his head to move while Von Arts. Lots of debate and discussion about I. Think. It was the right decision You can't use your head play and. Even, as an obstacle, a selfie stick in your way I don't I, really don't think that was a factor in SA- gone using his head to try and move on our way. Yeah. Let's deal with that first before we move onto today stage because. One team manager I spoke to today suggested Saigon should have been disqualified from the tour entirely for that and. When you think back to the incident a few years ago with Mark Cavendish. Were kicked out of the tour. I think that may be would have been a bit too strong. Sagan, can hide woven are. Mean of an art is a very skillful. By kind loving somebody. We didn't really touch on I suppose last night was. Watching. The anyone's ridden a bike. Watches. An the speed they were going. Somebody makes contact with you. The. Just the ability to stay upright in that scenario is is quite is quite impressive and you an it's obviously a fantastic by handler. A lesser bike handler may well have not moment crash in the handlebars very close together sedan was kind of coming up. Behind them and not. Just the it was a you know handlebars. Together and Yeah, it was it was a dangerous maneuver. You know we shouldn't really judge these things by their outcomes because. You know. It could have caused a terrible crash. And on a lesser. Crime if you want to call it. May. Also caused a terrible crush. We can't really judge these things by the outcome is the maneuver itself and I think salons was very, very dangerous. While I think the Assumption Sega make. She's everyone's who's gifted a by kind lord here is. Not Necessarily van? Yeah clearly is but I mean. Just. Just, the UH. The whole. Premise of whether or not you should move your head in a sprint and really. There's no excuse for that. So. But. It was interesting to hear as a team manager suggests that again could have been kicked out of the race rather than just relegated for that move. Today. Perhaps. He did feel like he wanted to make amends I. Mean He did win or get some points the finish line. To sort of narrow, the gap a little bit on on San or at least. Not the gap open up anymore but. Whether or not they were confident Saddam would get over that final climb. To the finish, I don't know look to bit much. We'll read when climbing Mont Direst Lucas Postal Burger who've was very visible again, they didn't work and he'll be able to tell us what thinking I mean in the end Mac Shagman got was up there and it was a good stage for him and he's writing better and I don't know whether he was plan B or plan today and I think anybody could really be Hershey. Hershberg shocked Mun road pre well, probably given where he's coming from with a broken collarbone they suffered before the race probably quite happy Yeah. The the the last cycling race I I. SO obviously for lockdown, whispering needs and and I got locked down the day after Peres and and Chapman at that time of the season was absolutely brilliant and you tell what? What? The modern potential worldwide force he could be even in the grand? Tour. I mean like many many riders crashed. Coming into the Tour de France with the nervousness of. The. Release the freed brutal. It's been fortunate for for him to have ridden the tour in half of the tour. We still probably feeling the pain from user carbon a fracture. As you say, look much better today a didn't finish far. We kind of hoping. The third week because he's an incredible talent is A. Great all-rounder and my impression to to answer a question was that the plan at least in the in the finale was all for Shagman pro pretty much more than for. Sagen. Because let's face it. Now with the deficit is is got towards Bennett it'll be super halt for Sega and. You shines in in ops to to make up for lost time. So I want combat personally on the sprint on yesterday sprint because as I said yesterday, I don't like to to you have endless discussions about you know a referee in every sport and my rural as always been that you know I is I suppose Comey Sarah's no more despite the night. Do they have more documents to analyze more videos more more were tested testimonies to to to study and in the Indian the decision they made or pause probably the right one Mark Harsha though I mean. Not Not, just today and not just the parodies but in nieces well. He's been one of the most consistent writers to get up there to try and win a stage and it happened for him. Finally I suppose today he's very impressive looking writer am. Iran he looks very once again the way I mean he was way for ninety kilometers and the weekend today it was a it was thirty thousand sequences still quite a long way to go and with some strong chases and how by having teammates behind no doubt. That a great job to set them up for the attack once he got away. I don't know whether he's a good time trial must I must admit but he looks very aero bite phrase quite narrow handlebars and I've thought. Sunday on today and he's looked good and not in not you know once he's once he's away in. Time trying to finish. He looks very, very strong indeed, and then I don't really know what kind of writer he could become. AM He's right bill to be get on the climbs good in the longer climbs we obviously saw on Sunday looking good on the longer climbs who knows what he can become. White to go and three hilly stages to one degree or another, and and the bottom of that last climb with state wasn't it I'm but you can say the. Victory didn't an awful lot to the way somewhere road in that Fino fifty kilometers Nicole Roach was active at one point and then they got three Roy did not break I mean when you look again, keep saying it but there are teams. On paper. Better rosters. Made less of a footprint in this Tour de France. So for now, obviously the the. The man teams kind of breaks things down. So if you have a dedicated juicy rider who still in the race and or dedicated sprint. It's very hard to then also participate in all of all of the breakaways and be have that plan. By the fact that they have art case bowl is a good sprinter and they come back behind him but for the rest of the team. Is really built for stages like this clearly and they. Whatever that plan was? They had numbers up the road and that is not easy to do is it the tribute is the great tributes you can have to marshy comes from east from his team itself. Here is a twenty one year old Ryder while yes. Just Johnny just twenty, two, zero rider, just twenty two. Right in his first grand tour and obviously the the the the teacher Newt's Nicholas Road Nicklaus aren't. Experienced riders who have been around since things they seem to put themselves to the service of this young guy and is is obviously now undoubtedly the the the the leader of the team. Even if a teacher newt was on paper you know the the the team leader, she's been problems crash. So, probably. Not Very Best. But in manage to find this young guy and to really do great teamwork to set him off to to win a stage at last and the way did it. You know what we we're all you know. Restraining for a cyclist cycle cycling fans to seem to file against allegedly by lack of experience to file against gce contenders going back for assessments in the Pyrenees and the way did it today is timing was what was already very good in the previous stages but there was a little bit lacking as as you said, this time when he went, we knew it was. The right move. As she thought, he'd gone a little bit too early am but there was there was a disorganization Pie Nina someone Allah Felipe who counter-attacked behind and into that chasing group. Behind Marcella on my show. Mun. Allah fleas presence there almost. Yeah. Yeah. Group I mean, how? How did he not been there that group might have committed more Again. What are we? So from carshield on the free times? Attacked is. Consistency. It's always very, very tough to take the take back time off on his own, which says a lot on the power. The power is boldness I mean I is trying straight again and and areas. I. Mean it was a little bit strange because on French TV. One of their reporters you could Ajay. Bluntly. Asking the question you think you can win a grant to a one bay is on his first. Grand Tour and it didn't say no you you could. You could see was a little surprised by the by the question but but it'd be it belongs to the generation of guys like would art is another one and you know you you you read them no matches. Remco ever pull these guys. Coming up and and we read on know what kind of potential is there is because they I'm well the the sprint well, the trial. Well, it has a new. Spontaneous Generation of all rounders is it's kind of exciting I'd love to see a tour de l'avenir with the World Tour I. Can you imagine I mean just put them on against one another. Twenty five being tastes panel who was then. I kind of you know twenty to think he finished fifth to refunders and he you know his team. Timer saying there's no limit to what this guy is capable of and I know Randi, you know he's so there are no guarantees toll on you don't know. This is kind of fall into this trap willow of of trying to do everything. And I think you're you know you're or if you can identify one thing that you WanNa do. I mean he's only twenty two but mark her she has come here to win a stage and he's had three goes and he's one. Shall we hear from the team somewhere? Race Coach Might Winston? Here's his analysis of today's stage. He I think. Is a really good foam today by the whole team. We want to make hard on the third category climb. And certain tasted a brilliant job. After some great positioning by aspirin. Guys. In a position where they could attack on the climb mark then followed across we had three guys in a group of six. We knew that it'd be pretty tough on the second category climbs Mount, ladies. And then wrote Nico Roach and senator wearing the chases and They did a fantastic job of just blocking behind and riding in the group. I not letting anybody else jump across the mark and mark was able to to the finish. So who's a super team effort and? All our work in the in the stage before it's a really nice victory shoot to shoot that I do styling cost team car the back of the facts lease the next generation walk bike atom is sponsor of our Tour de France coverage. This year everyone has their favorite APP for indoor training and personally I like to mix up of it. I keep interesting and because the different APPS offer different types of session but Lionel do you have? A favorite, very difficult to say whether I have a favorite I split them into riding entertainment, and then kind of suffering really then, and then you can do a bit of both but he can do some suffering on his wife door gt as well as as as subversion of of writing in virtual worlds, of course. But then the more hardcore apps like the trainer road or had little go and training peaks in the past an sophist I suppose. Transcends, both of those kind of The entertainment factor as well as the physical hard work I mean they're all hard work aren't doing it properly. It's not supposed to just be a poodle virtual put lizard. I suppose the thing I like about the what by atom is that once I kind of set up I could use whichever took my fancy on any given day. So if I just wanted to a nice coffee ride around Watto pier on swift I could or if I wanted to. Try and improve myself physically on trainer road pick one of those sessions instead while I can imagine you switching mid right Lionel can imagine doing that he strike me as a sort of Bresser myself thing one type of ride and then change your mind after a few minutes yet what setting out to really hard session and then turned into a quiet comfortable mood. Yeah exactly. Exactly. Yeah. You're probably right rich. My willpower is the the the one. Of My armory that needs some work but I will say that one advantage of the what. If you do set out to do a hard into recession. You can just let the bike to order decision making. And just let it change the resistant. So you have to do is think about the peddling well, if you'd like to suffer are not suffer on sideline on the by atom is available. Now from ninety pounds per month to what bike dot com, that's W. A. T. t. b., I. Katie Doctor Hall Golden Am I to you. And what are they going to finish this joke? Well I think the secret here is that they might have finished it in the past and then the excited. Down Saco Chapel, he was sparking eight hundred, sixty three to eighteen seventy, one by ban called Father Joya. And at the top of Mortga is where it sits it's a it's a beautiful chapel I'm sitting out looking over. The river plane on at this point, I think lost also ted around. At mention the fact that. The cycling podcast Tommaso, is one of. The. Wonderful the volume that. Phones I'm street route over explained, and it's it's all of his sort of were being translated probably by him because he has an extraordinarily good English. I tend to turn to my. See these little things along the way and I think a little of a cab to him is probably necessary as we just take the halfway through the tour. Without Him. It would take an extraordinarily. An extraordinarily more research on my part just being able to read through these nights every evening moral count someway lionel we are constant Francois. Everyday we do how noisome John are to give us give. Dying Francois I A recognition that Francois you're famous across the Eurosport viewing public I feel about that. Well, you know it's I like to be men into shadows. You know it's look obscure job like being a dummies taken team and I. Like this job better than in the spotlight, I, guess, yeah. John don't mention him again. That's bullshit. FROUDE UPI. Against had in the back of the Skoda. If paid be sticking out of the next we need to gather more twigs and leaves. Open the SUNROOF. Well that was. Traveling to Clemma for are in the car watching. Your sport. Well, hang on let you in the passenger seat. And we have the audio coming through the car I was driving not watching I was just listening to their commentary on Eurosport and it was sleeping the back and sleeping you're next. and. What should happen but Jonathan Harris Bass? Give. You mentioned Francois. Great moment. Wasn't it? Yeah. It was my moment of glory on you know on your sports English, speaking channels Yeah I mean. A very nice, and then I'm glad you know to to to get that kind of work has paid off kind of a recognition that but once again. Just I have a question actually because you do you write that he to receive, which is basically plotting the way round the to Franz route, pointing out the various things of interest, the Chateau Vineyard and places of historical interest but. How does that work do the do? The race organizers give you a list of places to talk about or do you get sort of the Mon? As I've got the I must I must confess I I know the difference route NEC's very often the one month before you guys. So so I. Are Working on on the stage finish in the Senate stage starts before everything. So and I usually get that out of the way before Christmas when the Tories are you know announcing a over and then pretty and then gradually get the I get the really the the core, the core of every stage, and then you've got a list of towns with crossing, and so I actually go through it through the Internet through books looking for. Stuff on revenge we going through I try to keep very recycling. CanNot or orientated like I I. Really I really. Hate to miss. Going through a village that's the the the the birthplace of to the fronts writer. I try to to make sure we get that. So it's a work but also great fun to do I learned lots of things you know about romanesque art and and then. Church textures and and castles and Chateaux. I must admit that I forget about by the. Most of what other retailers? I'm in. Terms of remuneration Francois. We look at Panini at one end of the spectrum likely podcast on the other where where does it fall? Nice. Quite Nice. Were really reasonably well paid I'm doing it in French and English, and there are actually two guys as the one that's on the Internet. On the website that I'm doing in French and English and then as commentators guide, that's the book from Jonathan Scott, which has done actually in French partly but by me for the Lot for these cycling aspect of things and by young guy been doing it for the first year this year we school Omaha House well and I. You deserve the mentioned in tribute as well because he's a, he's a young and very bright young men and he really worked out on the on this this year. So we're not I'm not alone the Nisa. I. Come do everything but and I did the English version of that. It was very nice of Jonathan to give a little mention because I. mean. The other night just kind of puncturing the bubble of. The commentators who obviously furnish the view is with so much information about the landscape and about their places at the two of the Franch visit some policies by I didn't want to give the impression to that just reading off our own not written by. No exactly I mean, it's the. With woman now, the guys we we really give give them the basis to to look at the. an and they all do there. They know their own work try to find you know anecdotes are mulling to to to Abridge Angle or Tony Sarin anger if they're intern compensates Israel document miss it. You know it's lots of data and and like like we have in for sports events as well. You have the requisite upon morass and everything, but then you have your own nine ACC does show you all on look things an and sometimes recognize in the generally speaking of other. Guys in the same the same job sometimes. Really. Recognize my stuff and sometimes. Oh It got something that I missed. You know saw is part of a a whole. Well, it was a nice boost for Francois today after he. and His. Age. He missed the we're going through Raymond Poulidor home. Soon. I really. Was the great writer foot for from Komo's bar. Day No. Nice from. It's it's a big town near. So I am. Doesn't but the thing with us, but that was a great rod property. The guy that that has been who has been nicknamed the digress writer never to win the tour and is now is still alive is is in is in lake, nona is in nineteen, I think nine, hundred four and I'm mentioning I mentioned in this guy was named you haven't still haven't found. It become sports director for. Many guys was the most swashbuckling and and you know picturesque riders ever and this man erode a little bit on Mike Marshall was going for for raise attacking from afar gem. Absolutely fatal Jimmy. Is a legend from here? Yeah absolutely, and he's yeah, he's he is still I think James Start. Fairly, recent years in pension pensioners home now, but still alive and. I wouldn't king because he's he's getting old, but it is an until late in his life. Yours came back to the tour of France is the the the you know? Ashley run restaurants and discos in Clamato after his career is is the Archetypal Bongiovanni? Great, great. Rather great character Lou coffee was called the the you know the big rifle and. While another nickname. Well character. Rafael. Geminiani because obviously he was a talion family was an Italian immigrants. But he's team with some, Rafael? Do you know the story of that? But as you know, the I saw with software was just. Just by chance south ferries the name of the Pera Chief? Coincident yes. It just a coincidence auf as a town in the south of France near you know in the French Riviera and you've got a you got a a a knoll. or no school flash fashionable in the sixties apparently called Sarah was made with the with the orange. And Lemon, stuff. But I'm Ryan Thinking Sham Rafael, Jersey Your said Russia on the on the front. Yeah by. Our former sponsors. As a bit of everything into everything in your no comparison between Russia and gem in the way, a the the road is is valid you know is trying and trying and trying again, and sometimes you know the big rifle he was he was shooting lots sometimes hitting the target and sometime missing out. So it kind of the kind of summary of what urges temperament is he everything I've read about him suggests a very charismatic can outspoken quite a bombastic character. Listen this morning in the. Plus Raymond Poulidor the square in Sure he needs chauvinism and I'm dave rails furred they've had an interesting time one of their staff members test positive for covid obviously sent home missile waiting on results of a second test, and I can all still very much in the race I'm Bob having lost some of his hair having tried to cut his own hair the other day. and. Anyway I suppose Brill's for it in the start time this morning. On the team. Show. A little bit unexpected. On the other hand. Difficult environmental rates. We're doing all. We've got off mobile. We very very. You know a member staff of just go shopping and doesn't come in. So nobody goes out into the public as it were. We got an extra shack. So nobody's going into the come into the restaurants in hotels. Because, we think whenever the stance we did take the Mexico focus they say together members of the public. And of course, in hotels where we go no control so that the members of the public in the hotels in which is A. Challenge for us. So we decided not to use the restaurants and just have another chaperone. Forty tasks is a group. Because groups obviously goes forward. You gotta go into the hotel to set it up in verse place. So we go, you know a team that does that goes in and get the room sanitizers, all the rooms and that kind of risk. Really. but we've tried. We've tried very very hard as a question then. You know making sure we stay vigilant now and Of course, we have not the second test actually had a bit of a delay on On the repeat tests so far we know Monte, we've heard. In, the past, so he could be another false positive. We learned today that the will be he sat as it were so. That the to pass rule. There's only per week. So the next prime, the tax will be stocked with a blank slate. You. In line with what he was going to happen anyway. Well if I'm on ACE. What I'm saying in the world in a minute is in evolving situation when people have. So you just you know in Britain that just turned that just started out with that six people you. quickly. And they've adopted so there that thing to the situation and they're in the rules. So. To stick to set rules from the star a good idea as you go and that doesn't make sense to know that. You know the end of the day. It feels to me that the most important thing is John keep everybody safe and. And make sure that if you do have somebody who's infected. In. My opinion, we should be Testing straight away the perfect pizza tested every day. Then every negative negative and somebody gets positive. You get straightaway you take him out of people that are infectious. And then you make your old, you know make it safe for everybody in that way, everybody tries to get the power. Everybody's looking up to the seventy. Individuals. And I'll be all into not personate. So I, think the the seven day bit random if. He's just is interest. Rule with doesn't necessarily make that much sense I get it. Hover the race a code you feel shape fan for me. Pretty good. Actually I think it's intriguing. Isn't it? You know I think it's You know we kind of put into this four day block now between now and the rest of his very telling. Very important strategic call the race when you put those four days together. Today is going to be a long day. It's going to be you know quite long. Holidays holiday. Tomorrow's probably one of the biggest things that the race really really hard. That me go up to insulate on the hilltop finish before the restaurant. I think not really gonNA see. The start of the accumulation of fatigue. And then we go into the final week. And I think he's on a CIA who's WHO's coming up who's dating to say even who's going down so Teague and fitness. Wise. And I think that will determine the bottles of final result. Bernal Haircut. Yep yet yet nothing to do with me I think you know I thought the whole shaved it all off. have been a big fan of that one. But. Pity, I Y. But he's he's a funny guy at as character I liked him a law such a character. And he just came out and said, okay, go. And the and he said he's do a number two on the side and took the thing. So it was like nothing. And he forgot to charge correctly and then realize these shake off and then he said to do the whole lot. Laughing about it. You know. He's a he's a he's a guy really is a character. So yeah, quite funny rating. The cycling podcast is supported by science in Sport Science in sport feud by science. Thank you very much indeed to scientists sport for Support Things Cycling Podcast, and you can get twenty five percent off science sports com with the code. See SCPC. Da. See. I I, always I don't know. It's. One day. Say. Thanks very much indeed. Especially, for Martin, Van Buren Barron of Esparza who we mattis morning he obviously, this is the podcast Hi Martin. Thanks for listening and he sports are the Belgian. TV station that cover the Tour de France Yeah and all the big races. Yeah. Yes. Indeed and they're here in numbers as our all bike races on Martin was asking. Indeed means in that context. Thanks very much indeed. It means different things. Isn't it but got me thinking about it Thanks very much indeed scientists. Thanks very much indeed tomorrow for listening. He also drilling away Francois and we were wondering whether sports so we're going to. You know the second time today the Francois was been picked up by you know you're you're on Martin both. Fe complimentary by Francois is grasp of English. And another thing I mean not so much grasp the SIS code. Never? Mind is small detail and what we heard from Dave. Browse for before the break there and he said that tomorrow's stage he thinks will be a really really important one is not one that people have really been speaking about an awful lot and it's one of these potential banana skins isn't it for the? Writers. On a very hard one for them to. Tip a tackle an approach i. mean we saw a few years ago. In this neck of the woods at Chris firm had some problems on that. Day on the roads are narrow twisty and you know you can be in a situation where cars stuck behind. And On your left isolated on support the done. Yeah I've part over the years many times said the stages in the mass trial turn out to be the hardest stages of the entire tour and I think that's even more the case. Now, when the races not a sprint teams and teams teams like some web, art border, Hans grow or CCC. Teams with ambitious just win the stage can make it really really hard. Yeah absolutely, I think that's the key to it. Isn't it? I E? Marie or the payroll other name I'm not quite sure why Actually, the Merisi say is that the name of the summits and new possibilities that is the court the past the mountain passes gets to it and you've you've got several rows go in there. So we meaning that actually we've already been with the Tour de France very close to Pinelli but we've never been to the very top and at the very top is primarily the summit, and then then you've got puttable another and another little climb is that that the tourists already been Through yeah, normally. A pass on the way to really Akkoy some flu or most recently Louis around wherever I'm greg album one up a few years ago. and. As you say rich I think that's really interesting point I think that's what contributed today being as opening exciting as it was because it is far from settled and so you just don't know what will happen and it's becoming a bit of a modern too cliche but I always think of this ambushed territory you could imagine something peculiar happening now being in the wrong place at the wrong time aerobic being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the opposing team absolutely drilling to try and. Try I'm reading Mike Gains because the roads approaching a hard, but there's not mounting policy. It's real. Eyeballs out racing territory rather than that kind of steady forty fifty minute measured effort of climbing a mountain and again because of descents in the flat. Roach are so twisty. I'm not really flat. It makes it very hard to recover time. There's not that kind of lull in Nevada road get in the Alps popularly, but also in the Pyrenees so. I understand why teams might be a bit nervous ahead of tomorrow's especially when is something amazing happens on the approach the climb the opportunity for somebody to really. Press home advantage. So it's the first real unmatchable stage of the tour I think tomorrow. Is sometimes looked down upon like not being real mountains like being all mountains of but everybody's been riding a bike or trekking in the message sometimes. It's In terms of the landscape, the reminds me a lot of the Lake district and. About the same I mean the heights of the of the hills are not scuffled pike or whichever. Don't look very hard but when you have to get up those mountains or if you ride in leg district, you realize pretty soon it's harder than it looks on paper and the message is pretty close to them in terms of what he looks like and in terms of the different relate district on steroids just it just feels on a on a bigger scale it is not as. Far More rugged there on rain people are may houses buys is absolutely beautiful also pretty warm as well. I don't know whether it's what it's normally like in mid September put felt quite hot a hot is. Thirty degrees. Pretty. Well listen shall we wrap things up for tonight as you saline on unmissable stage tomorrow really looking forward to I love stage slot who am and yeah before we go, we should say thanks to some friends the podcast. Thanks to everybody's signed up as a friend of the PODCAST and. You can sign up cycling PODCAST DOT COM. Fifteen pounds to access all our exclusive episodes and under. The next one will be our your chat Richard with all Shinui, who of of course, he's of airport and. Coverage at the moment co host of the. Feminine. We absolutely. UNMISSABLE UNMISSABLE. I should before we did the thanks to podcasts quick mentioned for our. Zero series supported by swift. Today's was on Chris Thompson historian author of the third of Franz, a cultural history of the Tour de France an amazing book and some of you clearly. You know those those who've read it. Absolutely, love it, and there are few of you out there. It's an amazingly detailed rich book I finally recommended and. Hopefully interesting conversation with Chris. Thompson in our latest episode that Thursday's absolute Zero Fridays will be another installment of the writer diaries and there's more great stuff from including Sam Billy he had two unforced pack the other day. So here a final installment from some. From me a big. Thank you to the following friends of the podcast Robert Healey Steven Quinn Andrew Long Samuel Lou Michael Robbins and Matthew Nugent. On a big. Thank you for me to Mr L. Tulip love the former ones. Thanks. Mr Lionel Bart. Allen Mikhail. Tibo. Yala. Goal. Jonathan Townend Laws Brent and MR J W Okinawans. Situated mackey Clare. Burns James. Dale Eyesight Stole Lauren's Dilemma Your and Peter a single hers. Thank you Francois. Thank you. Can I can I go struck now because we cross my story? Of course. So. It was it was. It was one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, hundred, eighteen, nine dollars get wrong at the ATA maybe it's was front stage one by Maciel. Show, Malin Malaysia is about seven or eight KS away from Song. So the same area and when I got there for the stage finish as I was starving from sometimes happens I mean Lionel knows what I'm talking about and and I notice you know by by sneaking out or pressroom that there was a great buffet. Sort of a cloister it was huge with lots of stuff, patty sausage, lots of vegetables. In a little tomatoes, lots of stuff and I. decided that you know I would it was not opened off just decided that I was to hungry. I was alone in that cloister. An I went to the buffet and starting to you know kind of yeah. Nick. Pieces of Batty PC's of putty Fu pieces of everything, and she's one I was doing that all of a sudden. You'd shadow came lurking over my shoulder and I saw his arm coming to. Take a little piece of Patty and sausage above my short I look back. And there was this. Face really looking at me that I'd seen before in my life and it was actually oculus prime minister at the time and I was really surprised. Anyway he looked at me and said Frost. Frost we didn't Have you got a fag and I decided I was smoking. So again the. The ladies. From my family and said great the same as mine and off you wins. So that was my first and and you know I had other encounters but. Crowds with Iraq, but my first and most striking counter on the front with a guy was about to become French president for two terms that you all. Did you ever meet Donald Trump on the tour de trump at the well, not know unfortunately not knows.

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628: Meeting Your Heroes Part 1

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

51:37 min | 1 year ago

628: Meeting Your Heroes Part 1

"Doc Quick question for you. Do you feel like you're practices under performing in any way. Is it chaotic underproducing or under collecting is your overhead out of control or is your cash flow tight or even non existent every month. Do you feel like you're being held hostage by a bunch of Prima. DONNAS is their daily drama at the office if he said Yes to any of these questions. I just want you to know that I know exactly how you feel. I've been in there and if you ever feel like you're the weakest leader the worst manager or the most clueless business owner on the planet don't worry I was probably worse in fact for me. Things got so bad that after I acquired my first six dental practices I nearly had a breakdown on almost lost everything financially and personally so I decided to sell four of my dental practices and I went on a quest to find out how to do it the right way without having to sacrifice vice my marriage time with my three sons my integrity or my sanity what I was looking for was someone who had actually done it before someone who had walked in my shoes felt my struggles and had learned learned how to navigate the treacherous waters of dental practice ownership even multiple practice ownership when I was vetting my potential new dental consultants I asked three simple questions as the person who will be mentoring and coaching me actually had a successful practice. If so what metrics did you use to deem this a successful practice and how many practices did this person have number two aside from marketing and other important Jordan soft skills will your firm actually provide in-depth financial analysis tracking reporting and show me how to create an Rana sophisticated business and number three. I asked the best coaching groups I've I've ever been associated with have a community element with high level members sharing their best practices. Do you have this. My search left me underwhelmed. What I did find was no shortage of dental consultancy firms would gladly charge me between forty and one hundred thousand dollars per year for the privilege of working with them but none of them ticked off all of my boxes so I decided to go outside of the traditional antiquated dental consultancy world I hired business and entrepreneurial coaches marketing coaches life and relationship coaches with their help? I started to assemble the process and systems to implement into my two remaining practices so that they were run like real businesses by removing me same as the bottleneck we refined and fine tune these processes and start rebuilding my group of practices this time the right wing fast forward seven years later. We've created the most unique group in Dentistry Story. It's true our members are wildly successful but myself and my black belt coaches can't take all the credit for that but a couple of hundred like-minded dentists with over a thousand years of collective dental experience a group with the right guidance and structure in place and beautiful things happen for all involved so doc if you're on your quest to find out how to do it the right way how to finally start running your practice like a real business just email us at Info at true dental success dot com and type the word consult in the subject line and we'll schedule you to speak with me or one of my black belt coaches. That's Info hello at troop dental success dot com enter consult into the subject when I look forward to hearing your story the the dental per Noor podcast okay doctor. It's time to put down that hand piece. You're listening to the show dedicated to helping dentists get their lives back. It's time to decrease your stress. Increase your profitability and regain your passion now introducing using your host Dr Mark Kostas. Hello everyone welcome to another episode of the dental podcast. I'm your host Chuck. Damore Costas Obama's doing great out there today. This is a bonus episode. This is a weekend episode and I wanted to replay one of my favorite episodes actually to my favorite episodes because they're longer episodes so he broke them up into two and this is with one of my heroes Dr Peter Attiyah and if you aren't familiar with Dr Peter Attiyah he is a legend in the longevity and biohacking space. He's an M._d.. He's just he could qualify as the world's most interesting man. He's an ex endurance athlete. He's been an engineer. He's worked for the NOAA. He's he's <hes> he was a surgical resident at at Johns Hopkins. He's one of the most intelligent people that I've ever permet and one of the most well regarded in the areas of longevity and I just feel so blessed to have gotten him on the show. It's been about a year since we played this episode originally and I was inspired to replay this because I recently <hes> <hes> was able to share the stage with one of my childhood heroes and that was sugar ray Leonard and <hes> you know they always say be careful in meeting your heroes because you're bound to be disappointed and I have to say you know this strange world of dental speaking has landed me on stage with a lot of my heroes my childhood heroes and people that I respect very much people that are you know uber performers. I got to just off the top of my head. I've I've shared the stage with Ruben Gonzales which is a he's a four time. <hes> Winter Olympian Diana Naiad who's a legend in the marathon swimming realm and she was a correspondent for <hes> The wild world of sports for A._B._C. Bill Walton. I think most people know who Bill Walton is. He's a hall of Fame Basketball Player <hes> who played <hes> many many years in in the N._B._A.. The most recently at my last summit I got to share the stage with Roy Jones Junior. WHO's one of my childhood heroes? He's a an incredible boxer and somebody whose entire career probably seen every single one of his fights <hes> that I followed Ranco tour if you guys don't know who randy couture is he was like a three time heavyweight champion for the ultimate fighting championships for the U._F._c. just an incredible Olympic athlete and world champion in the in the world of mixed martial arts and then most recently sugar Ray Leonard at the Die Committee S._O.. Con Con <hes> conference. Excuse me and I gotta say all of those people that yeah I got to meet and chat with and who I admired from afar for years and years all of them were incredibly gracious incredibly humble incredibly friendly and I know that's not the case for everybody who is in the limelight and who has achieved some some level of recognition and fame but for me I have found that the people that I respect so much in that I was actually nervous to meet turned out to be incredible and Peter is one of those people who's just so humble and so down to earth and although you may not I have heard of Peter Tia he is a bona fide celebrity a lot of circle so hopefully you guys if you haven't heard this episode. We'll take the time to sit down and listen to it. It is fascinating. His life is fascinating. His information is fascinating and if you have listened to it before listen to it again <hes> I just listened to it for the second time and I found some nuggets in there that I found very very helpful so I hope you guys have a great day and a great weekend. This like I said is a bonus episode. I wanted to revisit this because it's been about a year since we we played this episode have a great day and we'll talk to you very soon. I'm sitting across the table from a very interesting man Dr Peter Attiyah M._d.. I think he would be a candidate for worlds. Olds most interesting man in a lot of people's books some quick hits about Peter I his degrees. He has mechanical engineering degree and then applied mathematics degree he also has an M._d.. From Stanford he spent two years as a surgical oncology. Oh Gee fellow at the National Institute of Health. He spent five years as a general surgery resident at Johns Hopkins. Peter is the founder of medical a medical practice with offices in San Diego New York focusing on the applied science of longevity his practice applies nutritional biochemistry exercise and sleep physiology techniques to increase distress tolerance lipid apology pharmacology and four system and no chronology to increase lifespan primarily by delaying the onset set of chronic disease while simultaneously improving the quality of life. You can read more from Peter at Peter Attiyah M._d.. Dot Com. That's Peter A. T. T. A. M D dot Com or listen to his brand. New podcast the drive with Peter Attiyah he's also been featured on three of my favorite podcast with Tim Ferriss Jukka willink and Joe Rogan welcome to the show Peter. Thanks mark all right buddy so thank you for sitting through our technical legal difficulties of course that would happen today while I'm here in San Diego with Peter but but yeah we were speaking earlier about what we had in common in that what we had in common was two things Michael Homerton who is who has our analytics Geek who is our regular regular contributor every Monday when we talk about advanced practice analytics because he is a very successful practice right down the road here in San Diego and you guys are in touch because your kids went to school together and you have a I guess a common love for watches which is strange. I think a very strange thing to be in love with. I have one watch. It's an iphone watching this fancy for me yeah and I'm wearing a watch that was made in nineteen seventy Bundy for see there you go. That's the year that you were made. Isn't it now and it's it's interesting. I had been looking. I was born in seventy three and I have been I had been looking for this watch in nineteen seventy three. This is a <hes> a G._M._T.. To Sixteen Sixteen Seventy Five G._M._T.. And you know watch nerds like this watch and I'd been pining for it for a while but I wanted in an exact condition with an exact Patina in nineteen seventy three and my guy 'cause every watch guy I has guys that's the way the whole watching guy so I got a bunch of guys and so the guy that was on the case for this watch finally came to me and said like I got this one. It's everything you want except the year it's most made in seventy four hundred seventy three and in the end I was just said okay fine so do the best watches actually increase in value yeah I mean I think that there are certain watches that absolutely increase in value. I think a good watch shouldn't really lose much value <hes> so it's a safe bet if you say spend eighteen twenty thousand dollars on a watch safe bet that will hold its value on necessarily it really depends on the watch and and I think that <hes> watches are definitely an asset class like any other and you know if a person like I know nothing about art for example <hes> but I mean I have my favorite artists and I'm pretty sure that if I could afford to buy their paintings they would probably go up in value <hes> so yeah. I think people who you know knowing asset class know how to lie not lose money in it. Yeah Yeah that's interesting. Michael is extremely well researched and everything that he does so. I'm sure he's great at researching watches and I'm sure he has a guy is your guy the same guys Mike Sky we have we've crossed Rossmo donation. We introduced each other each other's guys so many guys. It's it's. It's just it's it's a ridiculous completely ridiculous world interesting. You know there's there's car guys. There's watch guys. There's baseball card guys I get it. I get it and you got to have your thing. Another thing we have in common is that we both had surgery on the same level of back injury and we had the same back injury where we had a herniated disk fraction of the herniated disc broke off fuse to the s one nerve and caused excruciating pain for me. I was lucky enough to have gotten out of that with minimal long-term issues for you. The surgery was not as successful so you guys you had had some some chronic issues for a while. <hes> surgeon operated on the wrong side. It was a left sided fragment but he went in on the right side and mocked around a little bit and I came out of that <hes> with with out the original issue fixed and with a new issue so so the fragment was still they're still there and then I had a right sided foot drop because he this is a left sided fragment and I had a job on the right so it was it was about under a one year recovery with multiple trips back to the operating room to finally get it fixed but I mean again not to sound cheesy on. I mean I think much more good came from it than bad in terms of even just yesterday I was pulling into a parking lot and I just naturally naturally gravitate towards like not caring that I get a close parking spot you know and it's and why is that because there is a long period of time when I couldn't walk yeah and I remember thinking like I just want to be able to walk again that will be the most remarkable thing to be able to use my legs and so once I was able to recoup my legs <hes> I remember thinking you know one way to celebrate this park far. Yeah I love that yeah. Just kill park far and walk the other thing thing is no one's going to Ding your car jamming into that narrow spot. That's true everybody's fighting for and it's just a little bit of a reminder that there is a day when I couldn't do this and now I can yeah. You know it's funny I it was I've had two back surgeries as I have a C. Seventy one also fused I was that would be the more common injury in your profession right. The lumbar injury would be less common right yeah. I think it was probably related to along football career and combat sports just kind of like you were you. I don't know how much of that is attributed to but but for dentistry the C. Seventeen one is very common dropping coffee cups and no pain but I just I had no power left in my hand and that that alleviate that as well my same buddy who's one of my best buddies in the world. Luckily luckily a really good back. Surgeon fixed that one too but I haven't the same exact way like as soon as I was relieved of that pain I see your scarver interior. I did hear that the Peyton Manning Surgery Yup as soon as I was alleviated from that pain I swore that I would never take it for granted. I walking for granted and any any of the things for granted I even walk when when you have the chance to to ride those little conveyor belts in the airports I I even walk next to those instead of instead of writing them yeah if I'm not if I'm not late for a flight. It's the exact same thing even if it's late at night and I got back and it's like twelve at night and I'm like I'm gonNA walk because I can walk yeah yeah aside from your <hes> your educational kind of pursuits and successes. I'm fascinated by your history because of your love for sport and in particular the the method method which you train you sound to me like somebody that kind of latches onto something and goes deep deep deep immediately when you were in high school. You're interested in boxing. Is that correct and you are you. You dove both defeat into that now. You are an endurance athlete not really Kinda. I don't think I'm GONNA athlete anymore. Went through that idea. I had done those things in the past but yeah I don't. I guess this is the first time in my life where I'm no longer and I'd stop in two thousand fifteen fifteen so in January fifteen in the most unceremonious manner imaginable just decided I was done I at the time what was the event. I was at the time cycling was my time trialing <hes> so it's a very niche specific type of bike race and tailor made for my how would you describe it just just the way I like to think about problems. It's an engineering problem. It's really a problem about. Vowed generating force and reducing drag and frontal surface area so C._D._A.. Coefficient ragged hems frontal surface area is sort of the first function and then the second one is this is wattage. How much how many watts can you put out and those two things are primarily what drives it in and so anyway we fantastically in love with this for a couple of years and <hes> was was really on a great trajectory? I had sort of a goal to break twenty seven minutes for twenty kilometers kilometers in the Merck category which just means that Eddy Merckx category of time trialing means you're not on. You're not allowed to write a time trial bike. You have to be riding a road bike which is hugely disadvantaged in the trial. It's nowhere near as aerodynamic for whatever reason it just test because I was like I just worshipped Eddy Merckx and everything about Merck's was like he was my hero and read all the books about him and his <hes> his <hes> Mexico City world record for the one hour was one of the most remarkable things things ever done in cycling and it still bears his name to this day. which is the Merck's record so everything was going really well? I think I was probably a year away from being able to break twenty seven minutes for that event and which again to put that in perspective that doesn't that's not that's not a like a pro cyclist would do that backwards. That's not that fast. That's just fast for like an old guy. Who's got a fulltime job in San Diego that would be kind of the local record in San Diego? I wouldn't be like that's GonNa Brag about still impressive for a non-professional a non full-timer yeah. It's it's reasonable. It's it's respectable. You you know you yet. You're not complete chump but again for me. It was never like if I went to a race ace. I didn't actually care what place I finished. I cared about my time so I would rather finish third but hit the target time that was my goal for that month then to win it and be off target cheer and that happened I'd experienced both of those things and I was much more driven by the time it was a competition. It's really competition myself in internal competition wally than anything didn't didn't give a shit about everybody else and then sure enough this time in in January fifteen <hes> a friend friend of mine who lives in Toronto. We're supposed to come down a year earlier. We were going to do a bike trip in <hes> temecula which is just outside of San Diego and something happened it had to be cancelled so it was rescheduled and it was supposed to happen in January fifteen and I really didn't want WanNa go. I remember being really tired really sort of exhausted. <hes> probably a little unusually stressed out about work stuff and but I felt like I had to go because he was coming all the way down from Toronto and I've just never we wanted to be on my bike less than that trip and it was like a four day trip of really hard riding which actually is not the kind of writing I was used to I mean as a time trial is you're used to writing really really hard for an hour or two hours but this was like a different level of pain that I frankly wasn't training for. It was like there's this very famous mountain called Mount Palomar and it's like you're writing at Mount Palomar twice and again. I had the fitness to do it. I just didn't have the mental capacity Ford at that point and by the end of that four days I was so miserable miserable every minute of the six hours a day. We were on those bikes even though I was fit enough to be there like I was actually got dropped. I remember the first day when we climbed the south. Grade of Pallomari got a drop in that really frustrated me and then I kinda got better as the trip went on and I remember the last day I was actually at my fastest and was pulling the group but it didn't matter I hated it and I came back to San Diego and I decided I never wanted to ride my bike again and you haven't since I picked it up again a year ago but I only ride like this thing called the Peleton in New York which I have in my apartment there and then I ride a trainer here in San Diego I put my bike on a trainer and then about two months three two months ago I started riding once a week outside yeah but but again zero desire to compete like you know when my brother and brother-in-law and all those guys go on they're crazy cycling trips which I used to love going on. I mean they constantly try to get me to join in. It's just it doesn't interest me. I just don't want to go and when did that happen because you are. You're a marathon swimmers while I just I I had the pleasure privilege of speaking on stage with Diana Naiad awhile a few months back and I got to hurt here her well her whole story and got to spend some time with her. She's an amazing woman and to be clear like I don't my name doesn't go in that sentence like when you talk about Diana Naiad are when you talk about Penny Dean or John Yorker I mean there are people who are are they are to that sport. What Eddie marks was to cycling shoe and so on as far as I was from Eddie marks in time trialing as far as I was from those people in marathon swimming yeah but some of her story three where her lips swelled up and she swimming through jellyfish and dealing with current? You've you've spoken about a lot of that stuff when you're when you're swimming from Catalina Island to L._A.. And I've been on that channel many many times in a boat comfortably in the boat and I can't I can't even imagine I remember one time. I saw a big Hawaiian guy on a long board paddling so he did that channel on a paddle board and I was a little yet. That's a very famous race where they go from <hes> twin harbors to San Pedro. I have a friend who just wanted wow. She's a she's used to be one of my swim. Mates Stud Niculae doubts just must be burned in the last just must be crazy. So when did you have a similar kind of epiphany with long distance swimming wasn't it wasn't as dramatic I mean the cycling thing was like an overnight. I don't ever want to do this again and in reality I gotta say now that I'm back on my bike once a week outside in writing forty kilometers. I'm quite enjoying it. What I don't Miss is tracking my bike down to fiesta island four times a week to do these grueling hammer sessions not because I wouldn't enjoy them but because I'm simply not willing to make the time to do that anymore? That was a brutal doodle time sort of was a time site but there's an emotional component which sounds silly if someone hasn't done it but anybody who's done. It and I'm sure sounds like you've competed enough to understand it like if on a Tuesday I knew I was doing like a crushing rushing said of if the workout called for five five minute intervals at you know I I'm making this up because I don't remember exactly but like one hundred thirty percent of your F._T._p.. Your functional threshold power like that is hell on earth and the day before I would start to get anxious about that workout like I'm start mentally preparing for it and it just took time and energy away from whatever else I could do and I think that's what I got tired of <hes> with marathon swimming. It's SORTA similar <hes>. It's a very time consuming sport. It's <hes> it's just there's no. There's no getting around the hours you have to put into it and so I think <hes> the last swim I did which <hes> was is the second time I did Catalina but this time it was the reverse direction. I went L. A.. Acting Catalina I did that just after my daughter's first birthday and that following spring because every year you sort of WanNa peak for one big big swim and that following year so two thousand ten so all winter I was training in the ocean and so here in La Hoya you can swim in the ocean year round. It's not unbearable. It's cold. It's like fifty four degrees but you can still you'll get three and four hour workouts without a wet suit in that temperature and so I was pretty fit going into the spring of two thousand ten and I had decided to do something different. I was going to try to do to record swims that year. The first is I wanted to do a double crossing of the mouth south of the Potomac which again people out here wouldn't recognize that swim but on the East Coast swimming from Virginia back to Maryland at the opening of the Potomac mouth where it feeds off the Chesapeake. It's only seven and a half miles in a straight line. The currents make it a brutal swim. It's a it's a very hard swim and I had attempted a double done. The one way a couple of times <hes> I had attempted a double in two thousand six and on the day we. Were set to go <hes>. The coastguard cancelled it. They said no way the water was just brutal. There is no way they're gonNa let me in the water. <hes> a number of people have tried since and everyone had failed. I don't know I haven't followed the sport in ten years so I don't know what's going on now but at the time even great swimmers were failing like a mile offshore on the return trip just because the currents just got out of control so that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to do the double crossing the Potomac in June of two thousand ten and then <hes> <hes> in the summer of two thousand ten. I was planning for probably in August. I was planning a swim from <hes> Santa Cruz Island to Santa Barbara which is a I think a much harder channels when the Catalina Channel but a much less done channel swim and so into that Spring training pretty well and then I got really sick <hes> to this day. We don't know what happened. <hes> probably got swine flu <hes> but my liver function tests went from being normal to ten times normal. I was basically unable to get up off the couch for two months could barely sort of get to work. <hes> didn't didn't really want to have an extra down and I I remember when I recovered from that. I recovered by June and so at that point I knew I wasn't going to be able to make any swims for this year. I'd lost too much fitness yeah but when I recovered I remember thinking I I think I want to do something. That's a little less time consuming and at that point I was spending a little bit more time in the pool trying trying to get back in shape and I started having a lot of fun with the people I was swimming masters with because just by luck. I found myself at a Master's Club. That was incredibly competitive. Where were you swimming? I was at mission. It's in mission valley so it's the Mission Valley Y._M._C._a.. BRIARS tires road yeah. I worked there for six years. Come on seriously yeah all three when I was going to U._C.. San Diego I worked there in the weight room as that's awesome a personal trainer and kickboxing there yeah so that's I just went down there because a friend of a friend told with me. There's a really great masters coach there so it was a great so I went down and all of a sudden you know by the by the fall of two thousand ten I'm like Hey I'm really going to embrace pool swimming and then that's all I wanted to do was you know became obsessed with something new which was the one hundred meter breaststroke in the two hundred individual medley and so then you know that carried me for the next couple of years of my obsession it's crazy so that that leads perfectly into to why we're here to talk about about longevity and Diet and right now. I'm totally obsessed with longevity which is perfect it happens. You and I are about the same age where a couple a couple years older than you are but you when you have some kids and they they get into the high school years it's like he I believe that biologically start kind of thinking about I wanna see my grandkids and I want some good quality time with my grandkids. I want to age gracefully so he start seeking out people like you. Who've you have literally dedicated your entire life to this <hes> so at some point during your marathon swimming days you realize that you're expending a ton of calories and you are consuming a lot of calories but you're still gaining weight regardless of the amount of output that you are that you are expending <hes> and was it? Was it an overnight realization that you were doing something wrong with your nutrition or or or how did that come about when you realize that I think I heard you say at one point that the actual food pyramid is actually upside down. No it wasn't an overnight thing it was <hes> I mean I you know you could only get to a point where you couldn't stand looking at yourself in the mirror and I remember getting to that point where I thought you know in high school I just took this for granted and really even through college and Medical School I just was you know I was fit and lean and I I didn't have to pay attention to what I was eating in fact in highschool I I couldn't actually maintain my weight. It was very difficult for me to maintain the weight that I competed at which was one hundred sixty pounds I can. We all wish we had that problem now. Oh my God like I would have to eat so much the crap just to be at one fifty eight to maintain just just to just to stay below my way yeah so yeah one day. <hes> I just decided enough was enough. I really got to figure out a way to lose weight in so I convinced my my doctor my my primary care doctor. Send Me To a guy here in San Diego who sort of the go-to Berry attrition so doctors at specializing obesity and <hes> because I was like look there's clearly something wrong with me right like I mean <hes> and this was in two thousand eight. How tall you five ten okay and I weighed <hes> probably two oh five ish Nado wheel bees no I didn't I didn't meet criteria for obese again? Part of it is just my own body dismore. I feel like I'm I'm willing to concede that part of it was in my head but there's no doubt that I was Chubby and there's no doubt that I was Chubbier than I needed to be and there's no doubt that something was broken me for those of you guys out there that that aren't watching the actual video Peter's extremely lean <unk>. I what do you walk around at now. weightwise <hes> depends on what I'm doing nutrition wise but it would might my weight would vary between one seventy five and one eighty five can end when I was cycling. It was down to one sixty five okay but that was was that was not a great way for me. I looked pretty. I Pretty Gandhi. I didn't look very good at one sixty five. I think my ideal weights probably like one seventy five okay but anyway so I went and saw this Berry attrition and <hes> you know Oh he was like look you just gotta eat less and I was like no no no did you. You're missing something here man. I swim for six hours a day or not six hundred I'd probably averaged four hours. A day of swimming is seven days a week. I mean meaning. I average twenty eight hours a week in the water but it wasn't four hours every day. It was like some days was to some days was six but the point is I was like look man. I'm willing to do anything but there are two things. I'm not willing to do. I'm not willing to exercise more because there are only one hundred sixty eight hours a week and I can't. I put like I can't go back to what I was doing high school and exercise thirty six hours a week and the second thing is I'm not willing to walk around starving so if you're gonNa tell me I need to exercise more or just eat less. That doesn't strike me as helpful. I was looking for something different and truthfully. I think what I wanted. Goddamn pill like I just wanted to needle pill something a surgery or ceus actually yes. I actually had toyed with getting a gastric bypass but my wife was I mean there's one of the few times when she just absolutely lutely just went apoplectic on me like I don't really have you lost your freaking mind but I was like look. What's the big deal? I mean I've done this operation. I know how it's pretty safe operation. It's pretty easy. I think this could be the ticket. That's your version of a pill a major abdominal surgery right right right yeah so with that realization it did was that kind of the beginning of basically left this guy's care after a year I just as we weren't getting anywhere. He was finally in the end. He was willing to concede that I was also insulin resistant and then I said great well. Why don't I start taking metformin and he's like I don't know if it's going to matter but he didn't even WanNa put me on Metformin and so again I I'm deliberately Abberley not using his name because I don't want to be critical of him and I I don't I I I just I don't want to be but the point is I just became frustrated? I was like look dude. You're not doing anything like you've offered no insights you're not even willing to try metformin which as far as I can tell the safest drug on the planet so I'm going to take matters into my own hands and so that thread was then merging with completely different threat which just by coincidence and I've told this story before of the listeners heard this I apologize but on the day that I finished that last swim in two thousand nine <hes> when we arrived at Catalina island you know after you finish the swim you swim back to the boat and you get on the boat and it's pretty customary that you're gonNA start eating because your frigging starving and sure enough the crew had like two big big cokes and too big burgers waiting for me in a bag of oreos which is like perfect way to celebrate having swum fourteen and a half hours and so I probably eat those two burgers the bag of oreos and the drink two cokes and I don't know fourteen minutes and there's this. This picture of me sitting there with a towel wrapped around my waist my belly kind of hanging out over it and I remember my wife. I mean as clear as day just in the sweetest voice possible just didn't say it so anybody else could hear wasn't trying to embarrass me but it was just like you know you gotta try to figure out a way to be a little less not thin and I'm like Jesus. I felt like Chris Farley so double negative in the kindest way yeah yeah yeah so that that coupled with all of the frustration of the previous year <hes> is when I just decided I'm going to start doing an experiment. I'm going to start selectively taking things out of my diet and see if it makes a difference and I don't recall what made me decide to take sugar out first because I had previously tried other experiments I had gone Vegan about two years earlier for six months <hes> but decided a priority it would be two months six months like you know I said like on January first until June thirtieth. I'm going to go on this Vegan Diet. And how did you respond to that. I didn't I don't I would say I didn't respond poorly nor did I respond favorably. I don't think I gained or lost just a pound and truthfully. You know it's funny. People think of me as Mr Kito Guy but the reality is like I've never met a car by didn't like so Vegan Diet was actually not hard for me to do at all breads Vegan absolutely I mean I was main lining bryce and no food and lots of veggies. I mean I I actually found it. I found it incredibly enjoyable <hes> lots of almond butter I mean I ate a lot of stuff that I really loved. I didn't notice any deterioration in my performance. I remember that visit that was a season one of my life when I was training very hard no brain fog Nah. No no I mean it's there's a confounded right. I was in residency a problem with that is you're always in a fog like you're sleeping <hes>. We probably slept four or five hours a night so you're you're a mass. The sleep deprivation has also exacerbating insulin resistance. I didn't know that at the time clearly we know that today and I didn't I found out a couple of times when I was really craving like some seared tuna but for the most part it was like really quite easy and then I remember on the day when I was sort of breaking the fast and going back to my normal eating I went to a steakhouse and got you know like a thirty two ounce you know Tomahawk or something like that and I couldn't even eat a third of it actually took me a while to to to develop a taste for meat again and I don't mean like years but took like me a couple of weeks to to to get back to it but so that was one experiment I had in my hip pocket but I already kind of knew that wasn't going to work because I'd already tried it so I thought okay. I've got to try something else and so I decided I'm going to stop eating sugar and at the time like I said no great insight as to why I don't think I the clue at the time. I didn't have a clue about the you know biochemical impacts of fructose versus glucose or any of that nuance dylan residency no now. I'm this is two thousand nine so now I'm here in San Diego working at a biotech company and he you know just about to make this transition while I'm still marathon swimming but you know six months for making this transition to pool swimming etc and all of a sudden for the first time in as long as I remember it started to come off and all I was doing was not eating sugar and of course that means a lot of things you have to be careful what that means <hes>. It doesn't just mean I stopped eating the odd Eminem it meant that I started paying attention to the amount of sugar that was in everything else I was eating and so when I would make spaghetti and throw on some pasta sauce that I would you know half make half borough out of jar started to realize we'll wait. You know like the third most common ingredient here is high fructose corn Syrup so I can't use that so now. I'm going to have to make my own dressing. I'm from my own sauce from scratch similarly. I still ain't sandwiches and I'd love to make an almond butter sandwich with berries but now I realize most of the bread I was using too much sugar in it. So there was the only bread I could find it didn't have sugar and it was his Julian in cardboard bread that I mean literally had zero sugar. It's it's an it's difficult bred to work with that reason but those are the kinds of substitution I was making which was basically probably took my intake of added sugar meaning sucrose high fructose corn syrup down to less than five grams per day <hes> and after three months. I couldn't believe it I again. I'd have to go back and look at the journals and stuff I've written about this before and I can talk about how much weight I lost her. How much my biomarkers occurs improved but that basically got me completely curious and and effectively that curiosity has never gone away? You know almost ten years later okay so I know that people out there are thinking banquet. There's some gaps here because you're a surgical resident and then I I spoke about how you are a fellow of <hes> at at N._I._H.. And now you have your own private practice that is really really focused on longevity and nutrition and and those sorts of things what happened when you went and transitioned from your surgical residency to N._I._H.. To now where you are today so I I'm in my fifth year out of seven years of residency became super frustrated <hes> for so many reasons it was really a perfect storm <hes> incredibly frustrated with the training of surgical residents <hes> I felt like it was wildly inefficient <hes> which it is by the way but right a passage that that seems unnecessary well again I I wasn't opposed to the pain. I actually quite enjoyed the pain. I was just opposed to the dump pain in other words like if you said to me Peter you you're going to have to sit at your anaerobic threshold for thirteen minutes rest three minutes and then repeat thirteen minutes times two sets. That's going to hurt like like hell but it's in service of something that makes sense so I'm all about that kind of pain but if you say Peter I'm going to take your testicles. I'm going to put them on a table on. I'm GonNa take that little glass Topo Chico bottle and just start whacking them for no good reason. That's that's going to hurt like hell but it's not in service of anything right and and residency had way too much of the latter an only some of the former yeah so so my my thought was look. Let us suffer but let us suffer for something right. I talk not nothing and so I was beside myself in sort of frustration over that system <hes> on top of that I felt incredibly frustrated with what I described lived in this. It made me sound like a jerk realized in retrospect but I how do I describe it. I described modern. Surgical practice is the is man's defiance of Darwinism or something like I had. I had a a a a phrase that I used to utter all the time which was man we are going out of our way to completely prolong life in the most ridiculous ways imaginable where again again the economics of it don't make sense the suffering doesn't make sense like we're doing so much at the very end and nothing at the beginning I see John so I saw myself as basically entering a profession. Where much of what I was going to do was an enormous effort for a relatively small return? I want to be careful because most of my friends are still surgeons and I think that what they do is incredible work so I don't think that I look back back at all and think that the work of surgery is unimportant like I think if if surgeons decided tomorrow to go on strike or if dentists decided to go tomorrow to go on strike the world it'd be really freaking miserable place but let's call a spade a spade half of dentistry wouldn't exist if people took could take care of their teeth from the beginning sure half of surgery wouldn't exist if people could do all of these other things right from the beginning so so you're sort of in this and I guess I had just spent a little too much time watching things that I saw that I thought were. Entirely preventable which wasn't everything but there was just enough so all of these things coupled with the third factor which was primarily and again. It sounds silly to say this now but I I don't know I don't know any other way to say it. I just just felt really dumb. I felt I had become numb in the brain and <hes> now as you mentioned at the outset my Undergrad was in engineering and math and those were just incredibly stimulating fields like you were always getting to solve a problem. I just looked at the world in a different way I mean engineers can't help but look at the world and wonder how things work and how to fix things and and I think in its in its natural state medicine probably is that way as well but certainly only the combination of a- dogmatic discipline which surgery is in a dogmatic institution which hot which Hopkins is in a profession where you're completely overwhelmed all of that creative thought inquiry inquisition was gone and it was replaced by just just get it done and I remember one day just sitting there thinking like I can't even derive like some of the most basic principles of mathematics that I used to. I used to be able to sit down and if you said you know prove lapels rule or or something like I used to be able to just do that like announce. I can't even think about that anymore. So I thought I have to go. I have to do something where I can use my brain a bit more so I just decided to let the pendulum swing as far as possible and I decided I'm leaving medicine period and so oh I didn't know what to do but I did my homework and talked to him with a lot of people in basically saw two paths out of where I was one was to go into biotech so three pads right one was to go into biotech one was to go into finance so specifically like at the time hedge funds. Are you know investment banks were looking for people who had a strong understanding of of medical sciences and then the third option was to go into consulting and so I I for reasons I won't get into now that <hes> <hes> I just to save time I went. I chose consulting as the route <hes> and was recruited primarily to do healthcare consulting but when I showed up back on the west coast I went back to San Francisco <hes> just just based on what was going on in the world at that time there is a need for a different type of skill set that required a type of mathematics that I was familiar with and so I ended up actually going into credit risk finance modeling <hes> and that that scratched a little bit of your toe unbelievable scratching like I mean I when I look back from today till the last whatever when my professional life started so call it my first job would have been residency. is He really so go back almost twenty years I could say that those two two and a half years I spent at Mckinsey were among the most enjoyable purely from an intellectual bliss standpoint interesting. I mean every day okay. I felt like a kid in a candy store. You know getting to build these models getting to be around incredibly smart people you know your creativity was constantly valued. Yeah it was just it was just so much fun interesting that the surgical element didn't bring that out in you I guess once you kind of master the the technical aspect of surgery. It's not as intellectually stimulating as other things but you they think that yeah maybe it's just that when you're training every time I had tried to be creative on something I sort of got spanked and I think a little bit of an was hey. You haven't earned the right yet to offer us. Your insight know your replace Your Life. Put your head down. You're a worker bee. You're a bricklayer. Your whatever and you know maybe once you master laying the bricks we want to hear about your architectural input and I guess you know one of my friends Jorges. Hey Salazar who is probably one of the best pediatric cardiac and congenital heart surgeons in the United States and he was several years ahead of me at Hopkins so when I was a intern he was in his tenth view of residency because the ninth year he like the cardiac program was much longer but he was one of those guys who was like look man. The problem with a place like Hopkins is it does attract the best and the brightest. I don't know if that's true today but certainly ten fifteen years ago. Hopkins was the epicenter of surgery so as whore he put it. He's like look they get the best thoroughbreds in the country every year six six best medical students who want to do surgery come here and out of thousands so they get the best thoroughbreds but then they stick them in a corral and make them walk around you know and learn this wrote wrote wrote stuff with no and so I realized I I wasn't alone. I wasn't the only one that felt this way. Every one of my peers on some level felt this way in which is look. We are better than this. We can learn this stuff faster if we didn't have to do so much stupid mindless stuff and I guess the difference is most of my peers. Were smart enough disciplined enough. Oh poised enough had enough equanimity. I don't know that they could just put their head down and get through all of that whereas for me after five years I just blew up and I was like no I can't do this. I'm tired of walking around the chorale. I am a thoroughbred. I want to run and that wraps it up for part one of this awesome interview interview with one of the smartest people I know Dr Peter Attiyah <hes> make sure you tune in tomorrow for part two of this interview. Hello Donald Manure listeners. 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2019 Amstel Gold

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2019 Amstel Gold

"Imagine what this kid's gonna do to pay rebbe shit. They better go reinforce the cobblestones right now. I'm just telling him the I've never look I don't want to sound like a broken record. I've just never seen Howard like that. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the move podcast. I'm your host Lance Armstrong sitting alongside my co host J B Hager as always this episode brought to you by patrolling tequila gbi. I mean, we do not have a very hard decision here to make who are patrolling of the day is I'm going to be real clear, and I'm going to just come out of the gate and say this I've seen a lot of bike races. I've seen a lot of bike racers. I've never seen anything like this ever. I've been watching bike races for thirty years. And I'm sure that that anybody else that has washed a race for one year to fifty. At this level at the top level of the sport. At a race is hard as this to see what Matthew vendor pulled did. I listen to me. I know I'm fucking I'm speechless. This this is going to be the easiest show we've ever done because. Literally are speechless. Like, he's speech. Well, the winner is speechless. I think everyone all the Dutch fans are speechless. Look, I didn't. Think about this or know this. But until they said it on on the broadcast. The Dutch haven't won their major classic in eighteen years. Eighteen years is a long time two thousand one I was in that bike race Eric decker wanted two thousand one yours truly got second. And asked me she's like, oh Honey have you ever won that race? And I was like that's a real source of. Because I'd love this bike was loved the gold race. I love racing. Holland. I always loved the Dutch people said, this is your favorite rate. I just loved it. And I always felt like of all the countries in Europe. It's the one that probably embrace me the most. And so but back to what we saw today. There's just so much to talk about I know you can get into it. But but it's a combination of one your favorite race. And I think you said right effort like that's the best bike race. I've ever seen. That's a that says a lot. Yeah. He this kid vendor pool is is by the way. His basically his classic seasons is over he's not going to flush alone and Lee as Brazil only edge. So he ended it on a high note and probably the highest note that that he may ever experienced in his entire career. And he's going to have a lot of great moments. But to see him launch an attack. I also thought it was interesting earlier on in the broadcast. They talked about how his dad Audrey Vander pool. Who was an old peleton made a mine actually set him down this week is like why you know, why do you raise wanted to raise a little more conservatively? There's no need to launch these attacks early in the race. Well, he sends it forty three com. Twenty seven miles to go before the finish. And it is like he is shot out of. A fucking cannon. I was like only one guy can go with them. And they're writing like motorcycles. And quickly get a gap of thirty seconds. I'm like, oh my God. Is this kid just gonna ride away with this thing? They bring him back actually pretty quickly. And then he gets spit out the back race over ever nobody in the in in any of those broadcasts booze. Nobody in the world of commentary gave him any chance. And right. There's a there's a young kid who just tried to be aggressive too early. Exactly. What did exactly what he his dad? Didn't want him to his dad was probably watching that going. I told you not to do when his dad said, why don't you race a little more conservatively? He said, hey, dad. Why don't you just sit down as a dad and watch the bike race? I'm gonna be me and raise like I wanna raise. Yeah. I mean as a father, you're probably like I can't get through to this kid. But but to see him hang in there. And then to watch all these other before we get to as we get to this incredible finish when we were sitting here with you guys. I said this is the best bikers I've seen in a long time. I mean it certainly the best bike race of this spring season. But to see it, you know. It reminded me of the old days. You know, see these guys were attacking and counterattacking and just small groups yet you had Olof leap and Fogel song. Then behind you quick hausky teen. I mean, it was two two and two and then a group of eight. That's when you're no the bike race has been really really hard. And by the way, I mean a beautiful day. We're sitting here in Orlando Florida at the four seasons. Thank you to to everybody at four seasons Orlando for hosting us. It is warmer. It was warmer at the Amstel Gold race than it is in Orlando. So you know when it's warm at that bike race. It's twice as easy. Didn't look easy now and we saw a dry classic season all season. Now, we still have one big one left to cover. But it's been very bizarre. As you were saying that's that makes that race a lot easier because you do have dry roads on those tight small roads tight corners, just before we call it too easy. I just looked up Lawson Craddock stratified. Yeah. So the race is one hundred sixty four miles per started. Here's a country. You think you think of Holland all these the flattest country in the world all the bike paths. It's so easy to ride there. There's a little region of that country called the Limburg region. That's actually, very hilly his total vertical climbing today is eleven thousand four hundred sixty. That you know, that's it's rare that you get that in a hard tour mountain stage. And so. We can talk about how the weather made the race easier. It's still a race with thirty one categorized climbs. It is never flat in that region and just constantly up and down up and down on the brakes on the pedals on the on the pedals very nervous race for those of you guys and gals who wash you'll notice I mean, most of the time, they're your neighbor. Your you see houses you see cars parked in front of the houses you'd never for extended long extended periods of time out in the countryside. You're constantly weaving through these little these small villages, and it's it's it's a nerve wracking race. Well, we gotta dig into his how things happened towards the end. Like, we're sitting there watching it and I'm asking land. So we don't really know. But keep going are frugal song and Allah Felipe gonna stay away. It looked like a done deal. And then as we're watching it like you're like why is Google song? Polling work, you know, he. The race has has changed this year that they no longer finish on the caliber like they traditionally do like the women's race did finish in for those of you who missed the women's race. I watched the whims race this morning as well. And I thought God the boys have they got a tough job today to be having more exciting race than the women's race slightly different finished. But but up to Calbert for the women. I'm going to butcher this the pronuncia pronunciation of this name catcher Zena MU Doma how about that. Completely road Marian boss up right off her wheel. And it was just this awesome. Drag race between two women all the way over the top. And then the last mile to the finish. And she managed to hold hold off a second place there by you know, very little, but but the men's race has a different finish. And so you're thought it was going to be a big disappointment. You know what? I mean, you've suggested that it's not going to be as exciting with that much flat before we watched what what ended up becoming the most exciting bikers finish of all time. I was bitching and complaining about them taking the caliber out of the thing in of course after the finish. I looked at you. And I said, well, I guess I shouldn't be complaining anymore. But the way that it all shook out in the tactics. And for those who love cycling in really follow it from tactical perspective. Yeah. I had no idea. Why fooball song was pulling here? You have a guy and Julian Felipe who is twice as fast as you. And as we saw just as strong as you. So it's some point you have to stop pulling which he did do with. I think two point two kilometers to go. He stopped point. So what happens in I'll passed a similar front? He starts to get worried that he's gonna have to pull and start the sprint from the front. Classic. You know, kind of goes back. If you think about the match prints on on the velodrome where the guys sort of watch each other and get slower and slower and all of a sudden, they're they're at a complete stop the call attract stand, and then somebody inevitably has to go. They started going so slow I guess if I have to fault anybody in this. I mean, Allah Philippe made a mistake. He he. Yes, he had to pull when you're twice as fast. I'm sorry. You have to pull so in. Yes, you have to slow down. But you don't go from fifty kilometers an hour to twenty or thirty. You you get you back it off to forty. They had thirty seconds. The energy that you're going to burn on the front going from fifty to forty or even thirty five. He's still gonna win the sprint and he slowed down so much in played the game. So hard next thing. You know, quick Cousy came back and was we're watching you watch is going to go straight through them. Which of course, he did as he should have. But what nobody saw and everybody missed we missed it because we were watching TV but TV missing. And I don't blame them in his see from a distance with maybe six or seven to go. You see this group of eight and you see this this fucking animal then pull on the front pulling them all he is pulling them all they can't even pull through. About Mullah is on is the eighth wheel. And he's he's like swinging. He can't hold the wheel. This guy is just an everybody had written him off. I'd rhythm offense. Like, you know, young steak number steak went to early. Lose you know, blue his matches and he's over and he came charging back by the way as he did in the tour Flanders, right? Never gave up came back put himself back on the bike race. But to see him come back. And I said I was like oh my God. That's Vander Vanderbilt. And as these games and sued on the front. He just kept coming and coming gave them no chance and next thing. You know, he's there and starts the sprint. So he's pulled these guys for ten kilometers. And he starts his sprint. And nobody even remotely begins to come around. And we you just never statistically and bike racing. What he pulled off when once he caught Allah Felipe and Fogel song the the seven guys behind him should have had the legs to just go around them all, but he he he they sort of it was a weird the time. It was weird. They sort of all came together really in the sprint. And so it wasn't like he caught them. And then they played a little game. And then he wanted me. He just kind of wrote his on. Right. I mean, it was as if he was riding sixty kilometers an hour and just didn't go any faster or slower in that that one it was. Just if defied all odds because he's spent his he's spent a lot of matches dragon that group. Fogel song an ala Felipe cat. And mouse seeing getting a moment to get their legs fresh for a sprint. So to do that long slug and still win. A sprint is like nothing we've ever seen nothing. I'm telling you, and you'll never see it again as long as you live unless I mean, he clearly the kid, especially I don't know. What else he's got up his sleep? But it's going be a long time before you see something like that. I mean, I it just what a story. The kid looks like he's twelve. They're going to build a statue for him tomorrow. I don't know if they'll do that. But he's going to win a bike races. But I will say that he's going to win it up bike raises. That is some point they'll build a statue. But they're not going to build it tomorrow. You know, an interesting fact that I read about him because I know that the big budget teams, and he's on a very he's on. What is centrally started as a cyclocross team that supported him in his cyclocross career? He's obviously world champion cyclocross racer the now sort of sort of moonlight and some road races. This is a small budget team that he is under contract until twenty twenty three four more years. Do you think they're gonna so some more money at their budget? Now, the thing that's happened. Is is all I mean, you don't think Patrick lefavor is not, you know, sending flowers every day, and and Jim Ochowicz and God literally every team in the peleton. He has said I have a contract, and I'm not leaving which I don't loyalty, I think that but and he does some mountain biking, whatever he does whatever he wants parents. But but he. It's going to be the the negotiations in discussions must be so heated at loved to be a fly on that wall. As they've finished. We're going in. This is what team like, I didn't know. I didn't haven't even heard of it. It's it's corn. Didn't circus corned is a hotel an Amsterdam circuits casino. It is. Yeah. I had to look I looked it up. I was like what did they just get their money's worth? Well, yeah. I he's clearly the hottest property and cycling, and when we I mean, this is. He's hotter than p Peterson gone when it comes to who we saw pop today. Yeah. Who we continue to see have a tough time do riders ever get bought out of a contract worse. Yeah. Just throw buckets of money that team to let him go. Just like. Yeah. Yeah. So do you. If you're this team you that offer comes to let him go. Or do you double down pick up, another sponsor and recruit a couple of people? This kid. The kid is going to be the biggest star in that country. Sports star. I would have to think especially after today. I why can't you go get. I don't know what your budget is now but go find a title sponsor for ten million or whatever or Cup two fives or what three threes. I don't know. But I would think that's starts to be pretty easy. This point if he doesn't wanna leave wants to leave and go to to quickstep or sky, wherever he he wants to go for money, then you know, that's a negotiation. They'll have to have. But. But for for. Okay. So is this rising Dutch star there's probably enough money in. All of his side business now to not won't take a deal for the money right endorsements. He's opportunity he he's not gonna have to worry about my. He's leaving the team. Yes. You think I would have to look we're just speculating, so I don't I don't think we need to get into that. But. I don't know. I mean, a couple of other things that stand out for me is obviously the disappointment. And Peterson gone. I mean, it was he was never in the bike race. It's sort of been a fem- the spring season. I I'll reiterate what I say all the time. And I'm not it's not criticizing him. As just reality of what stress in your. I suspect stress on the personal life affects your professional life. But he's he's admitted he's not the same writer that he was three years ago. And that's he's he's backing that up, you know, he'll be back out again next weekend. Liege? But he's struggling Alejandro Valverde. I thought was you know, was was never in the bike race. That was my big pick. It was a perfect race for him saw him there early on or you know, somewhere towards him. But never never showed his face, which I was surprised at team has Donna I thought was incredible. I mean, I thought they controlled the race by the way Jacob Google's long who was was guaranteed essentially guaranteed to get second. And then. Then it was going to get nothing. Still got third. Yeah. Of all guys you've had the worst day. Alif leap had. He just all he had to do a repeat is just not not slow down that Matt count mouths to still. He's so quick. He could've kept that tempo up. And by the way, this kid vendor pool last. Mid week the mid week semi classic. The Brabham spell did the same thing. But he did it to alpha leap, let him sit on his wheel and started the sprint and rode him right off his wheel. And we know how fast Julian hopefully, this kid said here. Go ahead. Jay gills, sit on the wheel just wrote him right off the wheel we kind of glossed over it quickly. But it a lot for a lot of people. It's easy to sit there and go well fubo song screwed it up to for them not to ensure first and second by sitting on. But that's what he had to do. Yeah. Right. It's like, basically, I thought it should have done earlier. Like, you basically say, hey, this is your race to lose you decide. Right. I mean, that's what he's thinking in his head. I personally thought he should have done that earlier. But. Book. I don't know how that would have changed the dynamic between him and Philippe. But and you never know what's the discussion in his ear from from the team car. Because if I'm the director, I'm like you stop pulling right now. And I mean. What's he at thirty seconds? You can stop. I would think you can stop with five or six games to go. He tried an attack on the flats. You're not going to get away from Felipe. That's pointless. Yeah. That's that's any it was legit attack. But I'll leap has too much exhilarated. He was immediately on the wheel. And but at that point, you just stop working and in hope that awfully will continue to pool at a pace that keeps you away and. The whole thing. I just it was surreal. I just I'm kind of. I've just never seen anything like it. So this is so much. It was so dynamic between if the race would have if those two guys would spin it and would have won. I still say that's the best race of the year, so far, but lo and behold, all this other shit happened. And we ended up seeing the best bike race of all time. For for fans. I hope I hope anybody listening. That's new to this sport or watch today for the first time ever, don't get spoiled. The they're never liked this time this shit free boring. Even even if this race, but we saw today if you took Allah Felipe FU song and quick hausky out of the picture, and it was just Vander pooled dragging all those guys to the finish out. Sprinting them that alone is miraculous. Yeah. Yeah. And then his reaction like usually when somebody wins a big race like this. It's either so heads down in sprinting there. It's just grit or they're, you know, it's it's a sit up zip up kind of situation. He was shaking his head crossing the line going. I can't believe what just happened that was cool to watch. No, he was he was surprised now. I know it was like that was the amazing thing about it this kid sitting there going, I can't believe what hap how long are you going to feel that way? I can't believe this happen thing. You said when he when they said, I know very few words and Flemish. But he says uncle over the first thing he said where they interviewed him after the race. Which means unbelievable. So the source. Yes, you're right. Matthew that was unbelievable. I was I was mentioning to you to during the as we were watching like for fans. I think we're entering a really cool era where these these guys are they're cool guys. And they and they, and they, you know, the the actual they look cool. They speak cool. Like, they're all that to say. Like, we have an exciting future. When you look at Matthew Vander pool while run art and Mike krukow ski, and and all of Felipe, and these are guys that can build followings Ryan. So how do you build sports how do you build audiences? How do you build a sponsor interest you build it by by the athlete, and you built I mean yesterday was exciting. But if if Matthew Vander pool has no personality, and is is in dynamic. Okay. That was a great bike race. But yet, you're you have this whole new generation of guys that we can all get behind them. And to me, it's I'm seeing this going shit. We might want to buy some stock here. Like, I I like what I'm seeing for the future. Don't you feel like we've seen for some time back to what you were talking about like the advice be conservative. Don't take all these risks. That's what signign adding it. That's what makes bike racing exciting that the random attacks that just trying to do something as igniting the race. But the but today was different. This was you can do that that to me is more of a TV attack. This was a physical bike race. Like these were the way you saw it as I said earlier to two and two and then eight and then groups everywhere on a day where it wasn't even raining. There was no wind. I mean on a beautiful day those the as they were attacking as elephant attacked and Vanderbilt I mean, they were backing it up. And so you know, that to me is is more. It's it's not there's no show in that. They were actually had the muscle. And so that's what I like to see an and what's left on this kid's calendar. You know? I don't know what he did. He he he's he's I don't know what he does in the summer and the fall. Other than take phone calls from other teams. A lot of those. But I mean, he loves cross and mountain bike is not going to see anything more from this season because of other commitments, and he'd go you and gets on amount. Maybe the fall he I don't know. I've never raced cyclocross in. I don't you know, there's a winter essentially a winter sport. I don't know if he has a break period. And then all of a sudden starts to build back for the for the you know, sort of the fall winter cyclocross season. I don't know. But you know, spring season is done. And if he's a cross guy you think he'd be cooked by the time, they get to an stuggle. That's a long time to sustain that. He's doing something. Right. He's doing something. Imagine if he would've done period bay keeping mind his his team is so small, and of course, the Dutch team if it was if he was on the equivalent of that team that was a French team. They would have been invited to pair bay. But since their Dutch and small they didn't get the invite to pair bay. Imagine what this kid's gonna do to pay bay shit better. Go reinforce the cobblestones right now. I'm just telling him that the I've never look I don't want to sound like a broken record. I've just never seen power like that. The we can't even go back and go gosh, you reminds me of so and so. He reminds me of nobody. Yeah. Yeah. You just you just haven't I don't know what he did. When when he got caught when he launched that that early move which was too early and got caught. And then sorta got spit out the back. I don't we don't know TV. This is the the problem with watching bike races on TV. Is I guess we could go back and then friends weekly figure it out, but whoever's editing camera angles and who they're following. They stop following him. They thought they said stores over racist. And so we don't know. But I'm telling you like to see this kid reappear in the camera. It was like it was a move out of a movie so and then to just be polling and polling and and clearly just hauling ass. That you can't compare that to anybody. You can't I don't even know what more to say about it. Yeah. I mean, and if anybody's, you know, a lot of people do listen to this podcast or watch it and don't actually see the races like subscribed or whatever streaming service. You can't even go watch the real if you if you if you're ADD's fire, and you don't want to sit there for too long highlight realize they're going to be everywhere an hour to go you'll see what he did early on and then disappeared, but you can watch the last ten minutes, and that's it amazing. I it. Yeah. I'm psyched. I mean, just because I'm a love the sport. I love watching races. I'll freely admit, I think most of them are pretty boring. Right. I mean, we'd that's just the nature of it. And you were frayed that was going to happen today. Well. The weather like that. We've just seen and I was telling you during as we were watching like these races. We get fifteen guys together that are all very strong, and they're all strong enough to stay together. And you can't get away and two aren't going to get dropped. I fucking looking at each other and plan these games like it's just that shit gets so old but to see a real throwback race where the race just blew apart. That was enough for me as I mentioned. But did then see a whole 'nother thing happened? It was just it was so blurry. Do you even remember who got second? Simon Clarke second. So timing. Mark was the guy on his is not poor. But the lucky guy that was lucky enough. And couldn't come around and could not come around. But he was sitting on his wheel for raised. Ten or fifteen minutes. Maybe we don't know and again manically and should have been he should have been the guy to pull around at the end because Fender pulls have been cooked. But that wasn't happen. I mean. We're just we're I think we're this is the beginning of something really special for for cycling and cycling fans, and as you if you guys and gals haven't listened in in the previous weeks, just a reminder. I mean, this this kid comes from cycling royalty is dad. Audrey vendor pool was was a cyclocross champion a great race around the road road for rob a Bank for many years. I raised with him for a long time. Always a real sweetheart of a guy and his grandfather is Raymond poulidor who you know. Know, the constant nemesis and rival of Eddy Merckx, unfortunately, he was racing against Eddy Merckx. So we all you ever did in second. But look the kids comes from some pretty good, gene that you think their phones are ringing to dislike congrat-, I mean, just people what are you losing their minds grandfather's? Your Dutch your grandfather's French like how do you talk to grandpa 'cause Grandpa's not learning Dutch. I don't think he must have to learn to speak some French to talk to grandpa. Great question. How did trek through today? Delighted up again. I don't know. I didn't see them. We saw about Mowlem a little bit at the end. And I'm trying to all be able to pull up right now are the top ten results, by the way, happy Easter. Yeah. Like, we're at the four seasons in Orlando. We had a Easter egg hunt. That's why look somewhat. Nice, mama. Bear made me dress up today. Take Easter photos Easter. We did right Easter egg hunt on the back lawn was like literally three hundred kids out there fighting for eggs. The mazing. But happy Easter we didn't say I mean, we did say earlier, but let's just say it again. I mean are patrolling the day is obviously Vander pool. Yeah. That's a no brainer. That's the easiest one to pick ever in the history of this palm still only getting top ten but. Yeah. Look we were treated to a great one today and. Coming up with Lee as next week. Again, the new finish that I that. I'm on on paper. I'm critical of you know, I liked I like a tougher finish in tough by grace like that. We'll see I wonder if we can pull it up. We'll see what the weather's looking like for for next weekend. That makes a big difference in that bike race to. While you're pulling up the weather. I know you wanted to to to I don't shout out doesn't seem like the right word to the passing of Patrick's or coup Patrick's our crew passes week legendary Belgian rider, primarily a rider was Eddy Merckx zas main partner in all the six days, and you know, cer- coup was Johan Bruyneel was very very close with with Patrick. I'd met him a couple of times. But you know, that's for that country and sport of cycling in that country. That's that's like losing one of your top three. I mean, he's he's that he was that big of a writer and so. He'll be missed and not that old only in the seventies too. Young too young. Did I just pulled it up? Any like what I got a lot. Maybe. The writers aren't gonna have locked when they look at it. Now rain starts on Wednesday. And basically continues for a week Sunday. They're calling for fifty nine and heavy rain low of forty nine. Well, yes. So it'll be that'll be a different fair. It's we were commenting earlier like it's been a dry season yet all of these. Yep. Yep. It's just the sport changes with the weather. And so, and you know, maybe it seems like it's been a tough spring season two. So that starts to wear on guys last one and. I still I still look to guys like. Alverde, and Donna Donna will want to redeem themselves. One interesting by the and you'll hunt is a big fan of this guy is this Russian kid. Loot cinco. Did you see the crash with maybe thirty K to go where the guy ended up in the gutter driveway went over the rail and the dudes driveway? That that kid who crashed in that particular crashes apparently just incredibly strong, and probably who they were primarily ready for it and say that name again loot Cinco L U T S E N KO loot single so watch for him next weekend. But I gotta give some love to people who helped us out to get this podcast going. Sean more. Former pro wake border. In fact, a world champion lives here in Orlando and James Bond's name that was showing more Roger Roger Moore. Sean Connery right combined them the combo of the two. That's pretty incredible. Well, he looked up. We have a lot of mutual water sports friends, and then his brother in law. Nick Anderson connected us to use this boardroom here at the four seasons. And this is a beautiful place. If you want to check it out on Instagram, it's at F S Orlando. All right. Thanks for tuning in. And look a said, I don't know maybe ten times today. That's the best bike race I've ever seen and the and the finest strongest most legendary performance I have ever seen. If nothing gets me out of a chair running around the conference table. Like, I mean, I couldn't I couldn't believe my. Yeah. Can you imagine watching this in a in a in a bar over there? They must have just been going insane. Yeah. And they're still going insane. Now the party tonight. Yeah, I can't. I wish I was there. Instead, I'm a Disney. That's right. Hadn't over to Disney. Right now. We're wrapping I got the kids heading over to the magic kingdom. Take a guess at how many visit annually how many visitors? Magic kingdom gets. And unfortunately, we'll get to experience this in about an hour for buying hours. No idea try on twenty million twenty million twenty minutes beans, go through those gates. Wow. Every year. I've always said it's a what's cool about Disney's you can hear children get yelled at in every language at the world. Just in this hotel. Just walk the halls here. You prettier? English is is the second language here. I mean, there's a lot of you just hear a lot of different languages from Spanish to your British accents. You hear Italian your German? It's it's it's a bucket list for anyone with young kids. Do you have to do? We've never done this with our kids. So that's why it's I actually had a pass today. Anna said, look, you might go play golf, and we'll we'll have the nanny or whatever take the kids. And I sit you know. Played enough golf this year. I want to go and create those vendors awesome have fun. Thanks for tuning annual.

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87: La Planche des Belles Filles | Kilometre 0

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87: La Planche des Belles Filles | Kilometre 0

"You're listening to kilometers by the sighting podcast in association with Hans Carla showers and taps and so Daniel Lapp launch they bow feet and Milton Week of mature as a bit of a Christian prudhomme trademark. This'll be the fourth visit in eight years. What is this climate gives a special conscious very steep? We're seeing a new variation on this year. You're the man walk says apart from other claims fest gone. Tim might seem a bit gimmicky. It's one of those clients that it almost seems to have been made for T._v.. Made for the total and in reality that's not the case I always being zero Pena the other day about it and he says well he lives pretty much of the base of it and he was saying the other day. They've always been up there since when he was a kid it was gimmicky in the sense sense the in order for the torture to go up there. The road has to be removed in fact to cut down some trees. There was opposition from environmentalists before that first visit in two thousand twelve it was a group from code lasagna lap launch the indignant people of the launch <hes> very indignant about what was being done and again when it was announced this year that the extra the top up had been was going to be Tom Act environmentalists repaired they <hes> the protests a gain or the threat of protests and all sorts of things they were going to do on the day the race and which I don't think you're gonNA materialize and in fact they've been becalmed <hes> to a large extent and I expect the states to pass off without any great incident on on that front anyway Sushi a lot of uncertainty but the extension to what extent the road will be surfaced whether it'll be hard packed with. It's being treated the teams. Many of them seem to have a record it. They've got video footage but the seems a lot of uncertainty or exactly what that extensions going to like. We know what's very steep yeah. This is a bit of a a regular feature grand tools <hes> at the moment it has been in recent years of you know these sort of tippy top bits of of semi gravel being outed and we've seen in the well tourists while often tightly packed gravel which doesn't it doesn't make too much difference to the outcome of to race in the way people write anything not not will be too much of a factor <hes> the the existing finishers incredibly steep anyway. It wasn't a thing that was around twenty percent already and this is even saw state thing but you know the <unk> Belfi has a good record of predicting the winner of the toll <hes>. I be quite surprised if that was the case tomorrow somehow it's early in the rice the tune off weeks to go off tomorrow so <hes> <hes> he'll tell each time the villagers l. a. plus the bell fee has gone on to win. 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The last bits would arise will write tomorrow was actually already there in two thousand twelve and had been created to make it possible for the caravan to make a u-turn the only thing we did this here is not to put tarmac on it but to improve a little bit another improvement we made and the journalists don't see it is that the derivation path has been leveled in in large which will help the team vehicles down without going back on the calls is also another excess path through the top with less of a slope but with rebel you CD idea Mitchelson Scott or know quite well. It was a fifty eight hundred fifty away from the team off so <hes> I know quite well yeah. I don't know the the new grumble bit but <hes> <hes> yeah I reckon no no well enough. Yes climb realtor climb quest as well and <hes> yeah I mean it's it's going to be the first big test so <hes> I forget it's against died and I just kind of you know feeding out where the weather bar was <hes>. <hes> I think in general is going to be a hot day. <hes> you know we're not just do one bal sauce and all these kinds of between so <hes> in general is GonNa be hot day and and yet the hard climb could be knowing the governor six in the end so I guess what you know about that new finish. It's not much in the moment <hes> I know he's <hes> he's going to be pretty tricky but in my opinion unnecessary clouzot enough as as but <hes> like it keeps we'll we'll get there when figured out together Keough Marta won t group Gobert come into this too. I guess looking forward to Thursday's Z.. Station La Belle fees claiming well of course I was two years teaming chip which was a <hes> was also in this team and it's close to a fee so. I knew the climate it well. I climbed it for interracial things a tool to two years ago. It declined to say like <hes> especially this year was a lot of clients before so I'm looking for the states and the bills for principal team any else through as well as you head up toward the by now through stealing St Louis Stage on the day waking is going to be the Knicks leadoff Greece through comes up to open the gap over Cadel Evans Cadel Evans cannot issues that goodell purpose to the line through this show of strength away the congratulations by the Knicks leader the toward the frauds Bradley Place at Battle of the favorites that was Jahmai my massive. I'll never forget that image brilliant image really where <hes> it will. It must have been from the finishing line looking back as you come out in the car park and come up to the top and then over and he just see the Christie's helmet appear out of nowhere. I do know that an over the top becomes the God behind and I it was a helicopter behind it his all he was <hes> yeah. I got stuck in my mind. That really is etched in my mind. It was a moments in <hes> one of <hes> one great joy for the team and <hes> we went on this likely like you say it was a springboard from that go on and win the race funny claiming away and it was the first time it ever appeared in the two year and you are remembered member wrote very aggressive inter remember Simpson Haagen really doing real damage to the group was when you record it was at one time thought this one could really see. I think are not particularly year what we decided to do to take or make it really hard. Reputable climb seem that if we did out then we'll be able to continue that right into the foot climb <hes> and we were still kind of experimenting and working on our kind of train and that Kinda way ride and really we start better the in to be fair <hes> but we didn't know very first time the bell fee as the guy started riding information. You know people just don't get dropped. People didn't expect to get getting drop to Iowa okay the science hidden and <hes> they've got into the car park encounter was laughed. Nibley was leftist and then Chris attacked and that was <hes> yeah amazing really this year of you. What do you know about the extra bit this year while I think it's fair to say you know we're not going to lie? We've been <hes> we've looked at it and re conde as every other team would have done you know I think it stunned practice now for all the riders so everybody's going to know exactly what it's all about and everybody's GonNa have their you know. Obviously everybody's going to have their own game plan but then he got everybody else. Who can you know <hes> disrupt? Currently you know sputtering the works by do something different so it's all <hes> it's h weather people go early over the weights and what did you see guys do and who wants to stay and so there's a lot of variables or subplots on as well on everybody knows it's the first they will be the first real test that store and <hes> I'm some test is GONNA be national. Show him how much more difficult does extra but make an especially by this on gravel of her. One or two people say that's necessary that the logistically as well. It's quite challenging yeah I'd. Before I wouldn't say necessarily I think today you know the course organize the organizers Nicole's and then we just say okay. We're now trying to figure out fulminate. It's not really up to us to we can judge not if you like and say what we think of a Blah Blah Blah or I think safety wise is important but the as far as I'm concerned race organizers to calls we right so let's get deals deal with what we call so I think he's is a good thing about it is what it is and let's get on with race in. It and I think it'd be different. That's for sure so there's no point comparing toward. It wasn't a past people new car the new by that. Let's kick to the end and that's changed now. She'll be race differently but I'm I'm really looking forward to it. Nothing's going to be really excited and this is a bit talk. Some predictable you know say a different is the whole nature that times change now so nobody knows what to expect which is in some ways kind of what you wanted. Isn't it a couple of years ago if I'm caught you by surprise. Is it hard claim to judge or is it because it comes early in the race that people may be aren't dialed into the the the river. I wouldn't say quoting by surprise. I think the let him don't that listen. You know I think I don't think they were worried about popular. Our you know so <hes> the greatest greatest respect but I think that wasn't really every all g see the main G._C._e.. Consent is are still looking at each other and they raced each other and which could well be the case tomorrow you know somebody takes a fire early on the other guys. I really considered to be a major G C. Let him go go sit and watch. I guess we go teams with more than one kind of a guy ourselves or movie star for example you could potentially mix it up. Get one go long one way and SCO short but <hes> that put a customer pitchers think so. Let's see listening to kilometers era by the cycling podcast in association with handscroll showers and taps high much. I write for Bora hands. Go ahead my showering routine. After saying right is like thirty slow. I have to enjoy it after the hard training or even a after heart race the best thing about having a sponsor stories like we can get has grown shallow really good price favorite hands grow has shower motives. I think this the powder like the really throw rain. It's so relaxing venue can put some music in the shower like a pro with Hans Grandma showers and taps. What prompted your? Why did you think it was a good idea to extend the finish and take it to a new place? Let let you demo Israel on repossess contradictory that from your views magnificent Anez said the first time you win there. He immediately said this the camera should be because the writers sudden suddenly come out of nowhere. They're only three spots where the riders seemed to come out of nowhere von to the new and La Plaza been. I still don't know if with the new finish the rudders would. The same way but I agree it's great side when I know that you now have twenty four percent wall who's a surface which is not all real. It is twenty four percent on a tear in with no grip and while applause Bellevue was ideal as the first week climb with six kilometers edelman is up eight percent with one more curator at twenty four percent he will also make possible in the future to use it as at another moment in the tour not necessarily the first week trapping yourself. I guess it's also sort of Christian prudhomme trademark the plunge they belfi looking because you introduced it appeared regulation Eh Emily to I don't see like that. I love the tool when people say my tour. I don't like it too much respect for the tool to say at an impact on the true Fausto Coppi made in the to today's junior Philippe used. I used to be Eddy Merckx not me I have no illusions about it but I will do everything I can for kids to dream about the tour where dreamt about the tour Kurt Van Bont sports director the current quickstep. It's a very hard stay especially also with the new finished. It's GonNa be something really special because they go one K and the gravel reva roads honestly. I think it's going to be a little bit to <hes> to hire. The guys like <hes> like now <hes>. I don't think he he have that but with Jillian you never know of course the Jersey may be around the shoulders and so because I still think tomorrow he will survive. It's IT'S GONNA be a question mark like I said we've Jillian never know but I think we also have to be on this. It's going to be really difficult for him. So that extra La Plaza Buffy is really transformed hill from being a kind of Megyn mountain into a proper moment <hes> yeah honestly yeah. I don't think they had to put that extra calendar in. I think it's going to be a lot of chaos <hes> because we cannot go with the cars. People have to walk four one K.. That's the plan what we received so far so we're going to have to post where you have to put where you can standing with two bikes and I think it's it's a little bit crazy. I don't think it's suitable to put a bike race on that on that finish line Dan Martin you a team. All the memories are have been recorded actually yet of the of the desert section but it's just a bit different because the state is so much harder but it's really expensive climates bit shorter. Obviously it's probably extra kilometer this year but he's still talking to twenty minute climb you know and whereas the talking thirty forty five minutes so a little bit more explosive steep great nor irregular guys actually steeper than some flat sections and yea rhythm changes us and yeah especially after this holiday Nicholas Roofs Team Sun Web by pretty what I've done it three times already <hes> it's it's tough climb climb <hes> I've mixed emotions about the crime for example in two thousand twelve ten on the stage and then to thirteen or fourteen three <hes>. We were thirty minutes on Berto crash. All this does not look great. This is a moment where I fear we'll say goodbye to continental are two main challenges for this year's total tracks collect the rice condors hurt and he has given up the rice. We're in shock servers team and two thousand seventeen with a would be about the full sage on poor for Ritchie and I think I ended up eleven or twelve or thirteen actually on the stage as well so <hes> no. I didn't have the time to recon that aspect because I was in altitude then went to Switzerland and then backup attitude so there was a lot of a lot of work done in the mountains and unfortunately this year I didn't do much freak on a lot of the Parker and times already know what makes it hard as the claim itself or the fact that comes through early in the race. I mean I think each time it came quite early in the race <hes> so it's not going to be any different than the other years that we've done it. I think the burden of this year is the actual stages very hard <hes> couple of years ago so much more rolling stage took a different route two dozen fourteen was a very similar size stage with the battle and all these racists these time so I know declined because every condom in two thousand fourteen but <hes> I think the actual stages is going to be very difficult not just last night and obviously you know we don't some very long sages this week already <hes> White Sports Director Mitchelson Scott Yeah been up a few times but <hes> the the only thing that we know is the last nine hundred which <hes> as far trial <hes> not that long ago <hes> and it's incredibly I wish they I think the last nine hundred two I think it will change the loss corn because before I think it won't be as hard from the bottom because the F. is going to be maybe three minutes longer so it's a very very tough day other days. We've used the sauna con the days having been his tough <hes> so the die in general is tougher yet another one hundred meters at slumps twenty two percent twenty four percent to the finish on. I think we're going to see some major my disputes between the J._C.. Gauze and exciting exciting day is a crime. The Susan Moser is the one that you likes as well yeah it does it does Adam is is not a guy who has had a lot of experience in that audience all the rising but that's a stall that we wanna molten towards as well. He is finished six seventy. The ice on the ice crashed the in in flesh but they're the rices that sued him. That's very similar a similar farnell punchy explosive finals and <hes> do I think it's a it's a fun to tease characteristics the four <hes> an innovation like tomorrow's where we've got the new Finnish and the the gravel road. How do you feel are you apprehensive but nervous? I'm I'm thinking of the innovation last year with the grid star as well in the in the Pera knees when you try something new like this and how do you feel on the eve of the race. Do you feel about apprehensive. Just we don't take on. They'll know no. I'm a heavy sleeper what I'm going to say terrible but managed to sleep when well when my father died. Nothing stops me from sleeping on the Tour de France only once did I have problems to fall asleep and that's when we twice clan Lob Guez and went to Sarah in the forecast was for rent precisely when the race was on of the two weeks of sunny weather is your meantime you've.

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81: Eddy the GOAT | Kilometre 0

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22:01 min | 1 year ago

81: Eddy the GOAT | Kilometre 0

"Even named the comic con tension kerns brothers challenging well i know there's been no escaping eddie marks on this opening weekend of the tour de france in brussels the gandhi pars be nola by marx honoring him fifty years after he won the first time in nineteen sixty nine with one of the great winning performances the two stages of gone through the neighborhood where he grew up his image is everywhere on billboards buildings even covering entire lakes his name his first name eddie has been everywhere as well on pavements on walls and on the pizza caps worn by so many spectators on a stop on the metro is even cold eddie system that as well as we discovered when we traveled around the city this weekend and while the reason he so loved and revered hair is simple he is without doubt the greatest cyclist ever to leave because no ride it comes close in terms of the number of victories also the quality of the victories it was a different era of course the depths of competition wasn't quite the same but when a listener off just a question whether any mode and ride it could be competitor mug so oh what with martin right after do in order to be compatible we couldn't come up with announce it because there's no one now who really comes closed in terms of dominating the season from beginning to and it doesn't seem possible that somebody could start of winning in february and carry on winning until october and take off a couple of grand two victories along the way and his best year marks one almost every other race he route one in two races he wasn't equivalent of a race a week for six years yeah and he is i symbol of belgium rarely 'em he inject braille another man from brussels are people who were lofton bugs flounders on while and of course in brussels as well because that what you mean kind of splitting to wave a brush loses the bullseye in the middle east and muck so walls belgian and is belgian his mother was flemish his father while loonies brought up in a small small suburban town just outside brussels he spoke flemish homerun with educated in france and i think this really stood him in good stead for kind of international fame because he could represent the whole country and bring the whole country together he struggled try to the two coaches of what was then instill is now a kind of divided country no in any sensitive animosity rarely between the two hobbs about eddie to someone who is love it as far west is cool trick tennis ball east disley i ooh contract mcginnis i've written a book called other people's countries about my childhood in while again in the small town feel you're when my mother and grandparents came from and now i write poems novels academic think about says the stockpile who definitely existed and is not totally match and the reason is clearly the greatest thing ever is that you know he was bilingual brought up by the way he was a unifying figure in the way that maybe the masses and liberals don't exist anymore because they will be one or the other and that's what's kind of being lost and i remember my my grandparents you know so the world of eighty math even though they thought of him as flemish she was also belgium when he was part of you know to the head coach a much more attractive to working people from the factory town who were socialists and they royal family which people always say unifies people were totally belgium 'em nowadays you wouldn't get the same a sense of masks or his equivalent shot his equivalent belonging to everybody i'm not side because that's you know maybe max you could you could think of somebody like max's you know the law to you know what let's run through some of he makes his other achievements five hundred and twenty five career victories thirty four to the front on stage wins in two to one stages in nineteen seventy in nineteen seventy four hits ninety six days and yellow jersey they only writer to one the general classification points on monday competitions in the same tour in nineteen sixty nine the pressure that you want you want twenty eight classic anyone eleven grunter well lionel are esteemed colleague daniel free brought an accident biography so he spent a long time studying thinking about share the lead and if he does go donyo i mean it's exciting to his famous vermont senator by the most famous moment was the the stage and the parodies c seventeen where he chased by martin vanden bosch just before the top of the terminally went straight possum in performance was not only did it signals signal the style of the muck some rain in the sort of fronts but it was also coming capsulated along the flavor of or a the the muck terrain would be like as she seemed too much are lack of compassion for a teammate 'em almost a lack of compassion is well for his rival is it was excessive unnecessary to where i think he won by ten minutes or eleven minutes quite unlike a lot of water come before and the tour de france it seemed to go against a lot of the codes a lot of the chivalry that had been seen even by the even from the dominant figures in the paul marks over his insistence quite a big theme in your book the the crash they suffered at the end of sixty nine men he was never the same writer again so with the market we saw in the sixth inning tour with the pass rush of mark's yeah i think it was the last time we sold out muck so who knows all more he would he would have achieved he would have won how he would have won the if he hadn't had that crushed in nineteen sixty nine you know he's sort of paranoia about not being the same again walls possibly that it was difficult to measure obviously blocking the ramp pound me too so it's difficult to establish lifelike comparison between what he could do before announcing that crash but he suddenly felt he wasn't the same again but you're much to someone who is constantly worrying about not being as good as he should or something not being quite right so it's difficult to say where they're really genuinely handicap him or not but you know i think if you look back i love the careers of the dominant athletes of that time time i'm you often see this is sort of fake buying which starts things off and also now is the most impacted performance of the rain the cheese partly it's it's a physical phenomena in partly 'em in bruce strengthen bruce physical attributes that that best when athletes fail at the stock of of that all i think there's a conservatism creeps in later on they know what it will take to win and they don't really do any more than that and i think you know the to sort of lines on the groff 'em they kind of guy we don't possess directions the physical ability almost windows as the sort of know how a sidewalk fat appreciates not so often and we mug something by by the time you got nineteen seventy four and he's lost tool when he will probably that there's some general level which company very similar but less about his physical or mental school very much wants three additions release even the tour belgium twice see one mellon some rain most seven times to a flowing just twice hi revalue three times estonia he's five times the two of lumber twice and three rainbow jerseys in the world championships of welter five additions of the jared italia five to the front of course and that was just on the road because on the track he won seventeen six day racism three european tied to us but he never won perry tour he didn't somebody is no muck sees whole life is shown loan whose father real bad with mets his teammates motel you need these days loan is general manager of merchandise you seem like you don't he's come on your lady sitting i think that these the most popular guy after the king by respect in belgium and that's that's pretty normal when you see all what he has done for us or the notorious deal belgium all around the world every buddy when you when you say yeah you are coming from belgium not signing ninety minutes i think looking to we must have champ because you know what's coming up till we were going go woodside sabrina eyes kid at school we were always things together so we're not the same the same vision i was not considering him a as a as a champion and you know he was coming a almost a senior almost every week i was going to the range for passing vacation winter vacation together so of course you don't have the same feeling when i was going to do a kid i was not thinking yeah he's this big symptoms it's only i think after i begin to a to really real like a almost after his career because when he ended his career i was only seventy years old so a little bit early to really make it but after you understand that and even if you're seeing after you still understand what a champion even know he's always a competitor even named tacoma to be like if i decide pecan thank you know we kind of charlotte and i think it's important for all the people in the world shower i'm peter saigon i'm writing for bonds great team for sure i raised you're going everybody due to shower because a slow ride in a sting after the race and i just refresh yourself and a to get bag in good condition for sure be having the bus three showers and it's going pretty well and pretty positive like in and out in and out and score showers oh yeah for sure sounds like a prime rib hines challenging time go they hold a grudge shoots usoc his stage win by a seven minutes fifty six seconds and then in front of the chase says he will not serve by seventeen minutes on his nomination was such that go they had his column and keep it did the tour in a very difficult position didn't they did they did worry the the marks were destroying their race yeah and i think they would have worried less if he'd been more or obviously charismatic or appealing personality walking that he wasn't exotic on the toll road how long belgium winners in the past so you didn't take that books they didn't take the the sort of the the conventional chom boxing you know he wasn't funny in interviews he wasn't particularly interesting insight for the buys i'm performances so in those thoughts together and i think probably coming on the back of where the previous dominant figure in the torah bench dot com patel who who hot you take the other boats his name is french 'em he's charismatic i'm he also had this fantasy rivalry with draymond kudo which should captivated fronts and suddenly this figure paid on the horizon he wasn't obviously could offer any of that there is no great kind of while if he's not a great rivalry van to look to divert who's gonna tight shaping if i didn't take shape he he would be over the course of his dinner stay on assortment of different writers none of who on their own really really defined beer up along with mugs but the surprising thing for anyone reading your book is the marxist biggest point was himself and i think you know the only until he knew was armstrong some of the terms i've had this incredible kind of self confidence arrogance whereas marks the biggest surprise of by the biggest contradiction is highly insecure he wasn't high his successor underpinned by this anxiety they had without also surprise you to it's a learned the i think you're right i'm ready seawalls he was fueled by anxiety a lot of time in security but it's very difficult and just see where the anxiety came from those nothing obese in his background in his upbringing would would've made in insecurities lacking confidence 'em it was more in his case i think a un unacknowledged one of the father had always been the best only had previously being the best 'em and being the strongest embrace it and the reason anxiety every time he lined up her rights he was no longer gonna be able to repeat that he was no longer gonna be a strong superior as he had been in the hospital he wasn't he wasn't gonna fulfill be incredible not true potential that you'll new the hot and i think he's anxiety came from them mainly the where the where occasions where he was also fueled by an anxiety the came from for example breathing people criticizing him old people slicing him people appearing on the horizon people rogers diplomatic i'm being told top a and being described as a great threat the next morning he that he's put his successor and that kind of thing would would fire him occasionally but jemele as you say anytime i'm victim pronounced our recordholder right there for a little bit so we don't know i wonder after they are erected whether had any contact with any marks whether he'd been something you should know pretty much rewriting don't take by a life television program maybe you've seen it also and then would you didn't meet afterwards but what's funny my girlfriend she's a woman and she was doing national championships in belgium in the grand total of fifty medics he's also a screamer m they used to living canada but now she's going to belgium because she has a greater chance to select speaks and she had to compete to my girlfriend's funny a neutral in the middle east my girlfriend's bits evens but she was also the and then a medic that they're giving the middle my girlfriend's woman said congrats in congress would you're working you're girlfriends become mark yeah yeah yeah martin's to shops impress officer is known marks for over twenty years when he would arrive at a race wherever in italy and spain in belgium becomes quiet because you see he fills the room you see the big big figuring this is come is coming closer everybody you what's his name on the other hand it's somebody who study touchable evil dogwoods anybody and he has also one there's a bump it can never say no no it to anybody and which is nice which makes him also popular but he will never say no it's especially for him if they do the to start them belgium so he has to be the end of course he sprouts i think the beginning he was not happy about it also some some weeks ago some days ago a a new book about in america what's written when when the journalists who wrote a book also ethic and i write a book about what it ghana book i think there are maybe already fifty books about him so but yeah everybody still wants to write a book about the demerge daniel freeway and route one a couple years ago well i mean us interests are still new suv that emerge story to be told you thing i think so i think so surely none of the book is a i spend one nice week with the emerging but also a two thousand and it wasn't a period you know merge is always getting fat and then step all then he says i'm gonna lose weight and then he's very radical but you can convince him very very easily and i remember we were sitting in a bar and we had to bring something and just me water the water any okay let's go it orange so he he changed his mind always a he's but he's such a nice guy okay he knows what he wants and he is also character in in life but he likes to enjoy live in everything is not so important now anymore but on the bike he was he was crazy it was a lot about what's on the question of a millimeter it was a question of dental millimeter which was of course ridiculous but it was like have you written nearby with a few have you written a group of them a yes yes and it's already maybe ten years ago or a fifty years ago but the funny thing was still road in that time with his former teammates and his former teammate they were still helping him said it was a so so so interesting to see this they are still kind of slave of him in any he he accepted so they were looking after bringing in buckled leading in my friends exactly exactly it really really we one that syria by his amazing form in ninety six doing a sort of france was there is that she posted by william following him in in his book but the actually the wives of the year when when marcus was thrown off the race and had two weeks off i see there is a there is enforced rats and he went into that to almost like a in the same way the modern writer goes in syria tapered and rested and ready on not may may be an explanation and for the incredible forming in sixty nine race i think that's probably right 'em when you come patty amount of racing the gods and then i hear it's what they do today i mean it's cosstalk the difference i think most who typically rights for well over two hundred days a year where it's now a a a very busy ride will will do about ninety days yeah he comes across as quite a kind of a relaxed fager even he obviously has enjoyed his life post retirement that's evident in his finger and he comes across as as a kind of easy going quite jovial fellow i suppose yeah i think it does come across the majority we'll find out but there is still something clients value most dumping on quality politic connect with about him and it's funny the group of people that have the most affection for maybe italian 'em and the way he was able to maybe despite quite talion when he was a writer the way he was able to connect with them is definitely during his career is left the real like a save affection and operation which she doesn't necessarily while we were she's not really viewed in the rest of the world obviously in belgium years but there is still a side to nothing leads people a little bit cold could be something right stuffed toy could just in the look in his eye or it could be the the memory of holly road all the way he expresses himself in interviews but i have my own maybe not just past may may never still something that the lincoln leads me a little bit cold you've been listening to zero by the cycling podcast is supported by con score showers in the producer laws will join us

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80: Stage 2 | Brussels  Brussels | Tour de France 2019

The Cycling Podcast

53:51 min | 1 year ago

80: Stage 2 | Brussels Brussels | Tour de France 2019

"You are listening to cycling podcast other to the halls in association we saw this past us closing in oil to be almost cycling's character brighton watch is what i saw in twenty nineteen i thought that he education fast and kenyan surrounding states to who they were they were sat down what are we lionel weird deal will be in flounders flanders yeah probably about fifty meters from brussels but we're in flounders y'all would just cross the binary here a major timur i would lionel bernie color richardson francois tom izzo their first stage two of the tour de france all days of wasn't it because starting the finish the day were in the same place is yesterday hope they suddenly what shit while we're in we're in a we're in the back of your friend charlotte richard a is ruby the dog he might make a name from two appearance to input costs to eat either agree or disagree with things we saw back in your cattle ruby as as i to paraphrase a famous line from the previous podcast i said by daniel free i'm tempted to bring up his name because i'm i'm i'm as i've watched the results today of a team time shabas i was reminded of thee episode we recorded last week where dial very confidently at predicted or disagreed with alyssa's point about you movies tipping them as as possible super bowl favorites fifteenth time trailer certainly strong contenders style didn't agree he did team sudden webb who did a good ride today on ccc who performed i think there's a lot of people including myself expected but interesting states today with a real really standing hotline winner was taylor v atop please idols well you're right rich stage to from brussels to brussels on the way we went to wally way some pierre the birthplace of eddie jackson auto to share bake the best place to shop around the two great belgians i think eddie much is probably better cycling's broward certainly batra singing or what i say sonny better i think it's we already know about eighty maxi's singing well i think i i think he's trying at some stage units will like all these guys to make the right call name was not very very good so that's gonna make another episode of to the music the columbia zeros on the couch with a but we did a couple of years ago harpole karaoke with eddie murphy anyway yeah it was a teen contract today twenty seven point six kilometers menial will offer because of that positions in evening road stage they were preparing to richard you could probably talk a little bit about that as we get further into the upside but they set off and set the best time i'm were in the hot seat for nearly the hold off the noon on sunday eleven to show both go within six seconds of them if education first eight seconds behind any else and then decoding quickstep when very very close they were just no point to a second behind any else but behind them you buy these metal absolutely blazing a trail of course starting lost because i have my tennis and in yellow jersey and they won by twenty seconds which in twenty seven point six kilometers he's quite a motoring i'm mike tyson has extended stay in yellow jersey and he is now leading by ten seconds from his team my wife found out who now has the white jerseys best young writer yumbo these might have the top six overrule tony sin is in the green jersey but that will be warned again by peter struck down tomorrow and greg is still in the poconos leave teams of data lash while well movie star paps now we'll just say that performing tipoff because they had a shocker last year at pretty poor is again today seventeenth losing a minute and five to you by the national great news for narcan town a calendar annella hundred validates that day team usa emmer where they only team to finish the wall i write us together and they were just a place a head of most also a chunk of time lost by down marching 'em tricks sec afraid i'd probably not too happy on the in eighteenth place because that meant that rich people lost significant ground in rome about i will be feeling exactly the same because they were another place found the back page to also talk probably not too many surprises these a suburban women who serve you smile i mean i don't say twenty second district court some results fuss disclosing in a while to be own up cycling with character right and watch here's what i saw in twenty nineteen as they thought that he education fast and kenyan sean thank you very much indeed to refer sponsoring the cycling podcast we had a very pleasant morning the rough a pop up didn't win brussels yeah we popped in to the pop pop and a new he's amazing number of people with that hillary had a really good chat with some people who come over to brussels to watch the grown depart on some of whom it being or event on friday evening i have to say having been spotted here there and everywhere it really is amazing to see so many podcast listeners and friends of the podcast i always very nice when people come up and say hello and so yeah it's been really memorable stall here on ron places open been rough a pop up for another week i think in brussels thinks it katrina percival for hosting us there and it's really worth of is if you're in brussels as a lot of people really are and the crowds have been great on today the team time trout is you know i think teams are draws a great spectacle i i enjoy a law and at times better than an individual control yeah that's that's a sign if i'm sure i mean that's the this is this is questionable whether you think first of all you're fan the team turnover i hated the okay no ready i know i'm not i hate shutdown hazy because of course it's nice i mean you know the the nice gear goes even faster the individual time travel the the the the old effort that's like i could buy city aesthetic aesthetics of lava demise but it goes quite fast i mean you know and it's and sometimes the suspense is not there a u n and yet you have impression the people don't we know how to react to to time travel because it's kind of unusual you know so there's no real tactics you'd see scott it kind of you know a food gas for everybody involved and i believe in individual the time travel because it's this long legs on for forever joined the day you could have changed is due to the weather or the guys crushing an attempt on charles from times they just a very interesting athletics athletic efforts you know but i don't really excite in terms of suspense or i mean they don't all go fast friends cagey to r m yeah well if you want me to talk about age because i talked to the governor exactly why they already happened well it's it's kind of similar unfortunately she asked me at the start of the tour by the chauncey is while i was actually asked the other the other little thing where the abuse project today i i really really don't fancy among all they they stir not because of his personal abilities but because they were already jinx a as as been jeans all season a the two guys two guys crushed the french championships that two guys in the crush yesterday a cvs more and didn't want to conform an adulterous defined bluebell they're a team director told me that they were in by the way a meaning that you know the day to crush the day before a team central when you're not a good team at you that that's probably a soft spot and and you crush on top of that so they they lost to a before the tour and now the move was one of the guys to al team the mountains it is not feeling well either that they're really not looking very promising so now i'm gonna contradict francois head stick up for the team contracts i mean i think there's a lot to unpack when you see the results and certainly when you look at the y each team is approached it certainly from looking at it ethical and seven of the teams finished with a minimum for riders ten of the teams finished with five riders and as we said at the beginning only one came home we all like riders together down at seven rogers together perhaps because they want to make sure the food saying hot as much support as possible off the he's crush yesterday today so there's some there's some new homes to the tactics here yeah yeah well as you know this is very tactical i mean some guys are ask joined the team central in the last couple minutes just to take it easy for the days to come and the thing is to get the four guys you know the to the line and that's what's so i mean that's affecting some some some teams adopted like quickstep the the the coming for instance or or others but but but even even so you know the the the problem i have with the sometimes and then we saw two they doesn't ever really a real serious impact on the i mean if you look at locate the you you move is my were impressive but if you look for the ten teams behind that it's it's saturday matter of seconds another amount of yeah it is it is it is tiny handfuls of time but you movies my word just extraordinary today if you look at the the difference in average speed you know fifty set out to columbus is a them fifty six point five and then you know fourteen many i'll send fifty six point five fifty six point three five old very close behind them and they were just in a in a different league while i was thinking the most remarkable thing about the team contrast how small look i saw really when you think about okay one see events going everyone's kind of got something to work for your down you're up they sort of no i'm obviously they are writing to a kind of out now get everything out of the tank before they reached the line but the the remarkable thing without spread of teams from probably any else down to even bahrain you know in ninth place t t h and throwing them rarely on the performance is a group pama f dj in bahrain in particular you know shopping south into the top ten that that's really impressive and bodes well for both people and being shinzo neatly i am in terms of the the the time gaps and you know maybe the white to assess the team time trial and who's done well and somebody to actually break it down by budget the problem with that is getting accurate budget fakest but i try to do that a little bit this evening and a pretty reputable sources they you buy viessmann annual budget for the site thing i will say the speed skating team around twenty million years called imagine the speed skating cost that much about i'm sorry say twenty million euros any else when they were team sky were reportedly thirty five million euros and when you talk to people and the team i'm kind of dismissed on our hand i mean they try to kind of say not too much credit reports the any also a bump up a bit but let's take the thirty five million euro figure i want to go one t to bat were lost on the finish i went to speak to that a general manager john phone swap boy lay and a while i often the very simple question what you're on your budget and he said six million euros and i said well you're only one minute thirty eight behind any office and he said only and said well considering the budget it works out nearly three hundred thousand euros second it cost anything else to finish that far ahead of a one to go fast so when you break it down in unpopular if you if we had the biggest forever team that possibly be i'm quite an interesting way to analyze who's done well here's some badly was also undressing if you look you movies was they they have difficult balancing that day because they've they've got yellow judgment the tennis and but they've also got seem cries way george bennett is well how do you manage the team west of dc see ambitions and client pure climbers like george bennett and also an fast guys like tony martin lawrence deployed says while he was tailed off at the end but granola again now he might be the engine off this crash i'm not sure yeah i think a lotta time today i don't know i i imagine the grand prix pretty useful in the team time trial and how he won yesterday and be the yellow jersey weather that might have had a different bearing on today's result who knows that speculation but i did speak to george bennett at the finish and also rich oblique the general manager you movies and fresh will hear from george bennett new zealander and then will hear from richard pluto george i one hundred percent right good so far in this sort of front feared but i mean you wouldn't want not by a long way you surprised by the you know the the twentysecond really a pretty far away like him sickens me but i kind of let the other team separate by the second you're gonna have a long way that just criticize work good you know as rod is an endless soften work on the team yeah i thought a hold on daily and then do team tonto training on a failed in that much and a lot of work it's been over yeah especially where i project going on over yeah i thought if you've ever gone by the hardest you've ever go i yeah i mean how close some big attuned to the i i wasn't rolling the first boss someone like me keep the faith and then came in chicago today in four doubles they're a little bit to go out to innovators you're against your very happy monday yes i am proud freely proud of what we did last year so i told during the wintertime remaking program step by step still in development but it's a really happy with his between the george banning the finish said they've done a lot work for the team time trucking you elaborate on that a bit in terms for this particular what will kind of preparation did well we brought in a mature brewers the time trials specialist of the team and he brought in a lot of effort are aerodynamics training as the specifics but also with lawrence the prison tony martin here we have to incredible a engines and of course the rest of the theme is also in good shape so a you know we they were flying we were behind it then it's they need some a how do you go the wings of the formula one because they're almost they need some downforce did i in terms of bringing for this race today in particular a georgia saying they went to hold and did some preparation that long week yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because a georgia was not able to call me earlier because of his program in california and things like so a we brought in a through the winter annoyance entered a you know a put him in a better position on the bike aerodynamic why so i sent you a couple of really big engines and one is relatively marks in and how did the team i like yeah you've also got climbers like george better team project what was a strategy to use all their strengths in the in the most effective way possible while we set the george that they should not take turns in the beginning because we we we we new a we could we could the using the dnc and we should lose a normally i declined dylan there may be some of your comments which happened and a and then we need a you know to to do the loss durance also so we ended the network so hundred percent record's so far in this sort of transfer you at amaro dylan groundbreaking on on tuesday that would be amazing it's already sports history in in in all in because we we had the dutch yellow jersey in thirty years and now we win the first team time trial in also something like thirty years of something of a dutch squad so it's a sports history this episode about to the front of coverage is sponsored by walk by and in particular the walk bike asked him which richard both of us have had to go on a i used to see what mike to get ready for the london to brighten and i said no no no no law cycling so i did a few high intensity training sessions a home in my my office and then you we well we had we had two weeks he didn't way am we had a alone at a bike and it was yeah i had it in my office and did a few hard sessions is well i know i'm sure you did well you're you're flying on not a common fog about you go here united states oversee put you in good stead and a well we're going to hear about the over the next three weeks of the to the front but let's hear first from the day that they want bike arrived at my office or my indoor training center the like adam arrived this morning and my first impression more it's a substantial piece of cage really heavy 'em it does to for them to some we were so it's pretty easy just to maneuver through the house and roll into my office or or miley training center desire thoughts i like to think of it and dakota exactly in the position i want to hear it plugged into the wall and positioned in front of my computer screen and so it into a session if i won't end up taking the time to put my arm pedals on it and also to adjust they handle balls in the subtle so they are in a position is closest i can get to my regular road bike so i'm ready tabah going it 'em i'm going to set you up with a trainer road and have a at one of the sessions on that when as you know richard i don't know patients almost pretty high states are being set up the bike as easily as i could with a big bonus within five minutes on his on his own i hooked up to a well in the first instance trainer odom was often peddling but i used it with my trainer items waste and i think you used to be the the what might come training system as well yeah they've got their own programs and from those you get all this and fascinating data will but but this threat the tour but peddling effect and the score and that kind of thing obviously very accurate and on fascinating a whole new world of data that i didn't even know existed and and i i'm quite revel atra schieffer me some of it if you wanna check out what bikes range and in particular the mike out to go to walk bike dot com but if you're in the uk and won't abide by afternoon before july thirty first what bike is offering a one hundred pounds sigma sports about about chuck with every bite octopus just go to wnyc dot com slash tc pay one hundred bucks tc pay one zero zero a news the coyotes pay one hundred or tcp one zero zero at checkout to receive this offer world champs amazon finish at when the cutting quickstep finished and at that point you know with any loss in the sea of the being as it'd be no they looked as if they were obviously the team to beat the cutting quakes that went very close with a second they were they angry seem i've ever seen evil empire was fuming you know they really felt they they missed out on the stage when thereby no not quite beating the unmanned lost the stage by over twenty seconds but it was interesting to see how much it meant to them to denote quite have beaten problem any else i think that this probably the key to team time charles you as a in a in a rental you have teams will come to the team down throw to win it any of the teams would come to the team central to lose a little time as possible and and some teams obviously at mets make choices group of dj if you look up to pinos jumps in the kind of improved i mean at least mentally compared to other jisi contenders because they did well and what did they do that they did well because they actually took a guy stephen king they the swiss got specifically for the team on throw some teams really obviously prepare specially for that and and included a guys you know for the team time trial probably wasn't case with you movies but obviously he was a kid with anything else and obviously the case with the company and other teams and and obviously there were other teams movie so i i heard from my spanish colleague that make it alumna was a said he was his fault you know he said i was the burden to day so they obviously that to wait for long though is by the way today but we noted movie star never sometimes they do prefer the former teams on trials but obviously they didn't come under two we with the goal of winning the teams on finance from three leaders who are all climbers you know one of them's on a bad day of go if you know if a groupon after jay had to wait for that we go do it's all because i see in the in the first group while he's giving the same time she crashed on the loss corner yes i didn't white so go to they carried on a but the results i mean like go to shut down the line you know see three making jokes at the little league world series there'll be lots of officer joseph lister think he's gonna do really well this threat now there's a couple of years ago they they really up their game one time trolls and time trolls drew pomeranz dj in pino as well but then they seem to dip again and this is a really depends on the non it depends on the tactics and it depends on what he's doing whether it's doing the tour all nothing whether there is a team central north on the tour because it's it's it's not always the case the interesting thing they've done in the past few years at a dj they were always you know not always but ever austin a french team with french riders mainly and they they they they they wrote in in a swiss talent from a from because that there's no no no longer real switch teams in in the middle don't and they have these guys like more morabito rushing back to to help you know in the mountains to sway the guys and they and they brought in steph incan last season to boost their a time trial abilities in britain probably even to to to help and inspire people pino in the to be a better time to try it is already pretty good and that's on trying to improve that and and once again because i mentioned bob in the in the beginning a lot in in this respect pino is obviously an edge on on ball dated bustle just a word on teams sunway who finished a very good for which when you consider them go tom dumoulin hair is a huge jisi contender 'em to show properly the surprise of the day rarely 'em alex dowsett won the national championship a few days ago i don't wanna give any credit to our exciting new feature shot outside of the team but he was the first victim about yesterday and he was talking about you know how much i were looking forward to giving some weli independent contractor not not a very well surprising result here little bit from the mole i am i spoke to the finish she's a sports director and i was surprised to hear her little preparation they'd done for the team tundra plaza a very strong performance he went up seven case ago that point do you think you're gonna win it knob still some through eastern people need to defend yourself course but but it looked like they have the best time at the finish line okay and a hat and a beatles by four seconds but i think for the first time performance on the team a i mean a team controller as always this is a special thing also sama now you you need some guys you can make a difference and we knew it news matson on of course that we had three machines and they can make a difference from the border the border rudy hearing on the on the team how'd you double preparation for this is a team in the last week know to be honest nobody i didn't have to spend much time when it's a special show the final selection is all these lights on some i don't say problems but the together final eight right just be beta tiller ten days ago let's say and 'em 'em but we don't spend much time saying also on the court and had only doesn't do went over to go in the puck who they did at one time but maybe that's what's going good than a no i'm i'm happy with the performance of the team it's also a m the team is in good form a and i hope that weekend show some more things in the next the next week's what i mean what's the strategy to let those three guys really do the heavy lifting where they take longer turns on the front but it's just it's actually quite simple i mean you have to take advantage of give some guys and its by example when they go under subpoena fifty eight average and again hold on the speech for for twenty seconds they just do it it's if you coming in each and after for five seconds you you go down to fifty say you have to pull off immediately so that's simple as that i mean you take advantage of eastern guy of some strides in the north three but also because of us i mean everybody was specifically just behind too short e f education education first stand on friday night jonathan voters came along to are in the process bad projecting a one of the questions walls whether he thought they could win the team time trial and he said well they be in the mix but my question was your question actually he had one of the one of the week a question about still here is raising his head on the podcast no less joking joking 'em but he said everything would have to ride like needle it's been lock it need to be one of those days where absolutely every factor is perfect for them to win but they were they were well in the mix that you know couple of seconds back from a somewhat patricia yeah listen tj vanguard run at the finish talking to you as well for american tv and he was very keen to know you know he's out the splits and and how the government of thing i think they really fancy but they did have a strong team because i think that it's it's like football in a way you know you're you're teams with tradition and a un and it's the same with sucking i mean there there is a team central tradition in indeed john travolta's outfits and you have to leave up to that it's like ccc everybody was a discounted them saying they had no chance but ccc including you yesterday france all riley jamie's kind of joking but let's you know ccc were were actually when they were bmc by far the best team central outfit and and it's kind of stayed there a little bit because if you look at the lineup you start impressive but that they were in the mix to know and there were market penalty going around talking to every single writer after a teaser time trout coach on that i was hanging around waiting for word with him and then get one and then somebody did well he heard heard what you said was yeah could fool sign who obviously had a really bad crash and astounding where second team off today and so when they finished just sort of twenty seconds diet on team any of it looked like a really it was a very solid performance and circumstances is there obviously nursing fills saying but he looks okay well here a little bit from full sang in france where you useful to the team doctors yeah i spoke to a session young k with their team doctoring told me a you know you you had you had an option then you know a i also problem but it that sold a medical problem that's not a problem that's all the main problem is it still has it is to get a painful just a a over the need a at so that's that's a real problem there he said to date on the unknown the flaps it it didn't affect you is writing too much but as soon as he gets up on the pedals restructuring themselves told me a they're they're they're really trying to work on on him as much as they can with message and everything to take take a football is on you in the best possible good condition full blown you're busy and search told me the browser buffy men fee will be the real test or whether this injury in this crash can affect his is a g c a position so yeah we'll we'll still be in india india known and well part of the country would be the test anyway but in the case of some bit maybe even more so well here's what to say said they end higher state has longer so we will see a love yesterday but long and and obviously show ready to fight i'm having a lot of migrating to land on the big ones i have a problem and i believe that nobody on cnn in a few days undiplomatic now let me guess i think we did a dream come across san 'em no i'm i'm happy we did i might have been today i actually could also playing with guys yesterday was fearing that it would just sit in the rain but we were caught yesterday with came ready with indeed by and then the last one you know this morning in a moment everything had a little bit and i know it's i was able to credit without without too much over the eyes from giving any but like it's the worst thing and unfortunately he's here it would be okay in a few days how you the cycling podcast the twenty nineteen to the palm beach county life sciences both science a few science very much indeed the sciences sport for supporting the cycling podcast you can get twenty five percent off you sciences sport products sciences sport dot com with the code s i s c p twenty five s i s c p twenty five am no francois on lionel indeed a team any else a in the hot seat for most of the day nog not an ideal they for for them today and they you know going off first was not perfect and then having to sit around and see oh they know ideal for them and that was the circumstances officer stage one and francois you spoke to their sport the knicks lockport tallaght start yeah well i did i i think it's a kind of disappointing because every time the teen soccer league team emails or team sky new old is the always picked us you know favorites and they never won a team down to to the from and when i talked to the buildup of telling you is you just point out punted do you know that they would not say the favorites because they never wanna team time trial on the tour and and the rest of it is i says much better than i do so maybe it won't listen to his son with nicole tunnel d a team director of a female nikola everybody's been discussing the fact that you were studying first today this team time trial they didn't mean you you have to prepare differently i mean last night or even this morning yeah so let's say you got left signed to a windy day time by the time you wake up and you 'em i knew you stop at a stop sign a so everything is a bit more rushing i wish that 'em but yesterday i was more idea what price to be the guy the same amount of time 'em realistic possibility but pray pray died some reimposed among so wake up breakfast with the recon so make sure you stop stunner on do a few times because there's no rush and then a and you have to have this kind of moments where you just a drop down the pressure coming from and then extra three they brief meeting and both going the bike so i'm just moments very important that we had the most impact my mind is just after the recon and you're you're gonna go in the warm up high on the jumbo so i think we need was left i'm asleep but i think you also the fact that there won't be any reference signed for the guys to to to kind of a the by you start the race on each of the problem a not force a we used to don't focus too much on the on the timing of the teams always it's not it's more like two am to give then like a couple of books comfy dominion okay we all try everything is okay but we're not the type of team since the right people to inch they're gonna come on come on come on you have to go back a comeback and i it's just a you're you've got the risks to actually am expecting a with the most stress on the guys and they're gonna rise in the red zone and then you know when you're in the right don't you understand me some orange and the harlem you have to put yourself in the butter and try to write off more quick as we can from a ball i to be you know so just because nobody self and do the right thing all the time because they're not smart smarter tyson adversely yeah it's going to be about thirty minutes painful for let's say though is that as everybody knows you're you're you're you're among the favorites in this stage if do in eight so that that's a question everybody's asking will be in new jersey tonight we'll see i think that's just that i'm not gonna take these guys they don't see that as a kid each other they will but no no i think i don't feel we have the rich the lost a but i hope i hope we can weaken stage is because we'll go actually a wifi signal santana say a person jim a the independence 'em a few years ago and last year was we're gonna put some charter we already been pretty good whenever one thirteen to even though they were actually so good we put in so many forty we know like like all the teams but we know we often hear yeah richard you were talking earlier today as we will make your way across brussels about the impact of being first off way too many of wouldn't have been expecting acting that i'm everything at the show for a couple of hours didn't cite meant the you know the the mechanics that was slightly differently the neurologist at the walmart earlier of course and then they had nothing really to go off on their own performance sam nothing no markers along the way a whole like we told you is yeah you got the best time through each checkpoints and kind of all the us one of the serious teams in that position where they have to go out fast fast and a un basically they're almost in the dark a little bit a little bit by wasn't it with the crash the gary thomas and so that's what caused cool yeah the the issue but yeah it did it did mean the walk paper look like being quite realize they became a very different kind of day where everything is as you say brought brought forward a couple of hours on how did not mean to you by viessmann this evening johnny moscow and could have been in yell really want us to to the from stays off he was kicked out of the rice or lashing out at least just bear in last year's to on the stage to focus on once again it might be a way a blessing in disguise for a team sky all jimmy nelson not to win team time trial is because i checked the such as i told you before we started recording the podcast a check this stuff and teams the winning team tom charles immigrant to his very rarely do win the tool so last time it happened on the tours actually ten years ago when i started with a come to the door and the american guy named slipped my yes if they might be on redacted the front of my my well known two thousand nine is not redacted no not yet it is yeah yeah he loves the sport clarity i saw that roosevelt and i was a brilliant team time charlotte they it was very very cool susan and garmin finished with just five writers it was in mum pelly i wasn't really a a and in fact the whole course of the tools history could have been completely different country law to yellow jersey that type by a blessing the second from highly controversial once armstrong was just missed i oleo name yeah yeah but if he'd go into the yellow jersey in montpellier he would have been a hater val better come to the door his teammate which would have shock who come to arguably we could have saw a holiday tour from history could have been different they could indeed more results from today mentioned since gone that specialists in the teen titans go perhaps a bit disappointed well i'm sure they are disappointed with the eleventh on the day commit table the times are no catastrophic twenty one seconds died on on any else am is not a huge amount of time for for the case of lost the surprise against assigned mediates getting drawn early on but a solid but not what we expect from a team they've been one of the top four you know over the last few years it's been bmc m decoding quakes that a team sky and other one question sutherland the question comes together thought for mitch written scott yeah yeah them yeah question comes to mind you know when you see the results on the guys who got dropped to they maybe that's the least of guys will be the real estate answers in the rest of the two maybe these guys you know took it easy today to raise as much time as possible to be in a position to go in the brakes in the the the stage is to come so maybe simon yates is in in that position i wouldn't be surprised if that's the case actually well it's it's pizza darlene pay at the finish they said african much let's go he finished with the first bus rides they finished with for the minimum allied at out immunities matthew trenton luther abridged arlen p and here's what he said at the finish out today donald simply play you finished with the minimum there then he yeah we a i think it's just a sunday gotta deal and so i know means anyone's week a base shots we knew we had finishes full god minimum so we did that and we we get a massive strong to good teams go great right goodness discipline did not compare it with some of the previous efforts look alarmist is the first time running a troubled teeth together so a you know he's new to squad yeah and a yes i'd say you know i think we i think we did a really good guy i think we can be kept that simon who struck me over and then and then drop was there any indecision there but you know waiting for them or visit clear in the in the teams mind the if if anyone is all about other media and the if i'm in trouble you just go show i think it's adam a summons at eastern in a year and a he's coming as both for for items of him getting drafted as not constant us olympic they're just confirming what they the team has said that is all front of me some simon yates true to his word said he wasn't coming here for dc i he certainly is and i and i had in the back of my mind he would be seeing how his legs were the first week or so and keeping that as an option but but clearly know while maybe that was location today safety that's it's also a forcible idle yes well is it time of day again wrong when i when we hang out outside team buses way up to the front it's one of my favorite things to do when we were in france in july with i do know it's great oldest nice people yes it is often has no shade a you know your self esteem takes a day every now and again 'em anyway this morning i spoke to a young man riding a second to the bronx he's writing in these national champions jersey but he had a difficult first day on the tool yesterday outside the team that we do i'm going to so this is your second to the front you feel like a bit of a veteran now no not at all it's actually not after yesterday it's kind of a rookie mistake i had yesterday about berg moving much so what happened i need something that was said well my stomach pretty much a long story short you know the culprit you know what it was i think we've narrowed it down yeah he's gonna give away i mean it was just like it'd be really concentrate think that's a bit strong and that turns out i'm not the first guy probably too much true on day one of the to trying to avoid that in future yeah and make sure it's not out of date that's all a lot is granting yeah i'm not in how we how you're feeling and having the national championship here as well just i i give you a stunning to feeling proud of yeah definitely it's not a the only problem with the way i showed it too much yesterday was at the back of the peleton bike with a they're gonna be better days so wherever guide were moving up and down yeah it's been awhile since alive in tampa in the torso and i'm super super happy about it being championship road rage like a pretty good knowing we don't have that many starters and a how many how many this year sixteen yeah not that many shows eighteen a year before i think those twentyfive or something now and a guy we obviously know each other so it's a you know each other to well that's very hard always kind of suck at nine live is pretty quiet so it's never too selective which is fine because i mean may for more open race 'em now on usually there's some when sometimes knowing depends on the day obviously this year was just a just a touch a win which healthy eating and 'em at a wall edwards out this year basically like being in a break from the gun pretty much that's what it is and a break from the gun that tries to form another break from the on again so in a couple of sentences see how did you win it we had three guys throw it pretty early and then it won't find a british them and after that we ride together all beds and i went solar with forty gig are self and then cipro father cycling like in like we have a new kind of interest to the pros definitely girl and then it's been awhile since we've had a journalist that the tour but but they're trying to i mean they wanna come already this year there were a few that were asking if they did what kind of like access could they think about to me but i mean it's always it's hard to a detour is crazy so it's it's hard to say what actually they could get out of it but yeah on the popularity is drawing and there's more success on the road and everyday so what's your price for life dot com very well very nice i a i don't have to worry about anything no one knows who i am so it's great now just about the tour and the team time trial today i wanna see like before for a writer like you where basically it's a sales team a team that isn't it yeah i mean i really like disadvantaged definitely suits me better than the individual time travel and lots charles feeling really the sure i mean properly not as good but i'm so here for the whole to for the team encouraging all probably do a suicide pool at some point in a pack it in a hopefully not too early on but so yeah it's a it's all about being smith is all about being fast and sticking together as far as we can how are you able to do as a group and was the current trends team time trotting yeah obviously it's hard to find time when you can get altogether and ride as much and you never knew as much as you want you definitely have to make time for it but we managed to make time here and there so yeah i think i think it should be a good team and in terms of how you're writing it was kind of the current passion protein controlling goes fast as you can i mean i think it's always been like that but i know there's not much said a when you sing out sing sing out far so you don't mess it up i mean yeah but there's not much not much the go hard and yeah i mean yeah go heartedly draw that pretty much lost sleep very lost sleep walk change dynamic with having call on the team this year a you know that's a different emphasis for the team as a whole not necessarily a lot about with all your time the same thing that's pretty much the same but like you gotta wonder woman could hear often frequency and i think good luck in fact thanks so much goings is the lend him rouge at the moment in the tour de france he lost time yesterday and a withdrawal by tricks like afraid to die off a contributing to their early in stage about yes seven and something minutes down lost man overruled 'em and well hopefully he gonna get the patriots revenge and a stall coming good as a as the days go by talking a food i can smell something really nice coming from the kitchen has i must be nearly dinnertime but we call and i finished costs without mentioning last night's dinner francois at a restaurant you booked which was cool lows on the boost in which mean kind of brussels arms let's see rather simple and could be could be ups name yeah and we we had a clown stephen we comes in a chili's casserole it was honest pretty good and you know you went full kind of classic stuff you're the two of you and i went for a typical brussels this that's wrong gear over there is one of my favorite belgian dishes and it's only as some of you might know ill so yeah i i can see from i can describe the care of the look of disgusting on online those snake he doesn't eat although yet doesn't like snakes either is or at least honky 'em so i think it's a shame because was really good young viewers will perfectly cooked and it some green so so of course got herbs there that's it's very tasty very very well let's face it you used don't they much like anything it's just you kind of fish under the the fact that you know so baked in coop in this new green says makes it really no i i really love that dish and it's so if she comes to brussels and you're going in the restroom you know downtown you know tom plus or in son katrina which is a place where lost restrooms are really try not disgusted by yields all snakes rudy trying to take my word and try and deal there that's great very quickly i had they carey donyo the rack of lamb at ten o'clock at night a little bit light a hefty may male not so fast and lost mistake if the tool from me on that front 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19: Remco on fire

"You listening to the cycling called CAST with Lionel. Danny Daniel free. I'm Richard. Hello my name should Moore. I'm with a Lionel Bernie. Jala Richard Onto Daniel free but not nearly three but and Chini say you say me Lionel. Richie how's it going? Oh Wow we're going back in time with us. I mean not to the eighteen years or so. This is your this. Is your signature right three or four years ago. Don You did. I string along for more than you've ever. You've never sung. Our podcast is a new one and obviously inspired by Francois. Tommaso north good as Francois Singer. Maybe maybe I'm starting to feel territorial. Maybe I'm starting to get get insecure. Does he does he. Does he do any MOTOWN Francois Moi's more on Francaise isn't it? Yeah Yeah Lounge singer Israel Lounge Lizard. Francois how are how are you both donyell? Have you been up to? Because I know you've been up with him. Well now I've just been I'm still this week. Rich lovely weather here had had 'em news a chance encounter with people. John Deacon Kobe the weekend a new feature in the podcast lunch with dine. Yeah I'm John Now. He's feeling territorial. I was I was I've been for a bit of a hike. A trek in the In the trauma mountains in my Orca and I was having lunch of a famous restaurant for proper English listeners. Uk listeners their original could S. valujet. And it's halfway up the hill mounting above allow the on which is perched because the old ruin of the castellina allowed anyway. This restaurant is about halfway up and it became famous in the UK because Rick Stein TV chef featured in a program and he said that the lamb he ate there was the best lamb he'd never tasted anyway. I've been there a couple of times. There was on Saturday roundabout lunchtime and who should rock up a big John. Dega go go go go go as I think. He calls himself on social media and yet we had lots of them. He was sort of secret. Grow because this Gravel riding because they Sam restaurant sit sort of at the end of a of a three three or four kilometer happened gravel road or pretty unmade road potholed road and um he he told me he never been up there and he was just sort of curious. He'd seen the sign so describe the scene he walks in. I was sitting outside side. Okay so it. Iraq's clocks he goes. Hey Don yeah but I'm David. Very much liked by coincidence. What are you doing here and Yeah pulled up. Put up a table and you had some lovely 'EM SOPA my share share alarm leg. No quizzes about the LLAMA. He'd be sort of asked me every two or three minutes. How he's the lamb. How does it compare to the last time you had it? Who IS TV chef of which you speak so warmly? But John didn't go for the lamb you went for sopa Meyer Keno local dishes sort of a slow cooked cabbage and bread soup and Yeah he was. He was He was smacking his lips that it was quite delicious. And he was there looking at the weekend because I think he will. He reveal the previous week on them. Should've been racing whilst we can but because of the Couldn't do that and was having some some time out. In Yoga training but We didn't talk about cycling much. Sorry jobs did you. Did you converse in Germany? Germany English mainly English. How was it was good napalm? you'll you'll probably got some. Yorker at some point next year. Oh Two one year I would recommend you to ask men obscene episode of Rick Steiner Program. I remember yeah. He's on a leash. Many lakes everything. That doesn't Eric Stein. He likes everything. Nothing wrong with that. Richard just I mean he smacks in says. Oh wonderful family. It's a fairly ramshackle place where it's a bit of. It's kind of like a scout. Her reminds me where I used to get changed before cup football matches and they Bish Bash. Bosh hundreds of people in the in any given lunchtime Yeah it's a bit but it's a bit of a local institution now. Rick stay actually just on A. He's just on a program during fronts and starting in Brittany workings as we can to prevent and he stopped off in Trois and tucked into some under yet and even watched it be made line out and he was. He was smacking his lips about the water. Nydia discussing must admit I think it might be onto yet four as after it to indicate the call quality that it's absolutely disgusting as opposed to just awful. You are still cycling podcast well. This has been an unconventional start to the podcast in which we discuss. Who might finish? Second at the d'italia later this year Behind the pull his Lionel hospital racing vessel news right. We'll talk about the racial as you say REMCO. Evan oppo his Season off to a flyer. He won a couple of stages of the two of the Al Gov which gave him the overall victory and while he held off what looked like a full blooded pursuit by Mac. Shaq Moon but Shaq Moon was never gonNA get one terms on the the the climb up to the FINISH OF STAGE TO EVAN. Opole then won the time trial on the final day ahead of world champion. Roman Dennis O. The top three in the south of Portugal ever Nepal Shagman and Miguel Angel Lopez. Who won one of the stages We'll talk about having OPPO. Is He the new Eddie marks? Well Richards already convinced. He's GonNa win the nicer better. Well we'll come onto that will come onto that. Meanwhile in Spain South Spain the Ruta del Sol Astana Yucca. Puja tying having a good week his first week racing. This season won the opening stage as we comment. We what we contacted live more or less on. It didn't win last week's podcast. He also won stage three barring McLaren were on his Co. Tao's on all of the uphill stages they had a strength in numbers in the top six overall but food saying one ahead of Jack Haig Austrailia and Michigan Scott who also picked up a stage win so focusing a minute ahead of Jack Haig. Mika Lander of Bara McLaren in third and he's teammates Dylan tunes and Peyot Bilbao in fifth and sixth. The Tour de la Monroe Team Davar not a great race name. That really is A. It's a bit of a bit of a mouthful. I prefer the tool. Do Hope Varberg. I suppose if the local authorities are partly contributing to hosting the racing the Mary team need some recognition in that as well Another overall victory and state win for Niagara Kintana winning on the coal days. Which of course will feature in the Tour de France later on this summer Nice story on the final stage or more on the charming little climb that rises up above two long Julian banner of Trek Sega freighter when the stage there. His father jean-francois Ben One stages of Pyrenees there in nineteen eighty six and eighty seven and in one thousand nine hundred two took the White Jersey of Pyrenees on the climb just a couple of days before his son. Julian was born So Yeah Jillian peanuts. First Professional Win as well so He's emotionally. He crossed the line. Understandable Kintana one overall ahead of Roman body and Ritchie port. The tour is underway. Pascal Common. Got His second win of the year on stage. One Caleb in one damn for the second time in a row with a really powerful sprint catching and passing at Sam Bennett on the final fifty or seventy five meters to the line and earlier on today as we speak Tuesday atom says really lay down a marker in the first leg of the Jebel feet double. That'd be racing. They're gaining a couple of days time. But Adam Yates winning by over a minute from Taddei Pugachev. Uh unless something dramatic happens. He's in the driving seat to win the tour Overall Chris. Rooms back in action there at dropped on the climb so far but tears completing stages Long road back for him. Of course the criterium deduction has been unveiled and for the first time since the very first edition in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. There's no time trial in the room at all. The last time there wasn't an individual time. Trial was back in nineteen sixty one but that was a year that Brian Robinson one but there was a team time. Trial that year so a bit of a break from the usual format for the dolphins which is to some mostly start with a prologue time trial or short time trial and then have a decent length. Time-trial somewhere in the middle but now just eight road stages and they're very hilly course as well. Daniel is incredibly hilly But it's GONNA be exciting isn't with the war presumably time bonuses been quite important No time the deafen as swung wildly from About supposed less than ten years ago the defend I still hunt fifty kilometer time trial which was Completely well completely skewed the result in in favor of of the time Charlie. Sam I'm thinking of the Bradley Wiggins One and two thousand eleven I think there was a very long time. Trial then really perfusion a few editions. I'm before that it was always very long time trial where we actually had a question about stage race formats on twitter this week as well didn't we don you're from Jacob and he was Following a Moi talk of The Tour de France returning to national team format at never going to happen of course but I was just speculating about the strength of the Colombians. When it comes to the to the front and he's wondering why that couldn't be a week long Olympic stage race based on national teams and completely points-based including King Mountains Intermediate sprints and points for winning stage. It'll adding up like a road omnium. He says what are your thoughts on that I think. It's a cracking idea for several reasons and one You know we know how important it is for the host city of an Olympics to kind of show off the country the geography multiple multiple day event would enable them to do that Also sort of thrown out this wild idea in the past. All of 'EM GROTTO's Being Determined On a team basis or the team classification being the most important thing in grand tools. The it's not something that's happening but it would be would help. Communicate to so the lay public important teamwork is in cycling. I'm in the Olympics. You would have the issue which having the Olympics anyway of trade teams on their interest in the national teams interest possibly being at cross purposes. But I think it'd be really entertaining. Is the suggestion to replace the the road race or in addition to. I don't know Jacob didn't specify but it's unlike lately Yup lately concept I mean it's kind of kind of like the standard hammers series isn't it. I do think that the although is pretty Thing that I saw with the dolphins I mean it's not exactly radical to have a stage race just without a time. Trou- on I do think it gives a completely different complexion to the race and I think overall the wheat long stage races All being kind of same flavor of racing it doesn't lend itself to Anyone event being sit two distinct from another I mean even in this period of the season now when I really the the sort of the DC right is kind of split into quarters on the there's There's multiple different events in different parts of the world going on no one then all head to head yet that will come later on as the races Increase in significance and then While the series the the best of the best go ahead at the Tour de France. I'm I just think that it would be. It would be an all of our interest. Release the stage races. Were mixed up a little bit different formats. Different styles of racing Have a team stage race at some point during the season. I think there's There's quite a lot of potential for somebody to Give their event a unique flavor but the problem is everything it all kind of with with so kind of wedded to the idea that the the the lowest aggregate time means the best rider of the race and and well. It's a bit like the the issue with golf tournaments. Daniel isn't it. The whole season is all strokeplay apart from maybe the you know one or two match play tournaments and yet engulf their reloaded different formats that that could be played up the convention is and the sponsors. The sponsors one is a stroke play tournament and suspect. That's Broadly the same with stage rates as well. People don't want to be the kind of Associated Press with with something that might be seen initially gimmicky. Yeah I mean we've said before about the series haven't read the I think that they're issue With the sort of established sake in public has been to to get people to watch it once. I won't say watched it once. They actually enjoy it and they sort of appreciate the the full map but people do have a tendency to turn their nose up as soon as they detect any kind of gimmick cray Just to wrap up the news then some breaking news today is. Hsbc is pulling out of sponsorship deal of British cycling after the Olympic Games in Tokyo. Later on this year will rather at the end of twenty twenty four years into the eight year. Deo there was a break clause in the contract Halfway through and HSBC is exercising. Its right to Take take that break midway through the sponsorship deal We gotta do to refocusing its UK. Marketing efforts and British cycling search will be on for a new sponsor from twenty twenty one anymore Intel on that chaps What's going on? I mean what what what were what. Hsp HSBC hope to get from that sponsorship. Or what did they think they were getting when they signed on or I think as well as an association with the British Cycling Olympic riders was also the participation scame Trying to get two million people cycling by the end of Twenty Twenty and British cycling released a statement to say that they're on course to exceed that most iron Always the numbers of people riding bikes. I'm never really dug into exactly how they measuring these figures but turned it. Suddenly British cycling's away sold it. Sponsorship by stone An association with the Olympic team riders. But also a strong bid to to get people riding bikes and participation. Being the key and Well I suspect that was what was appealing to eight at the start. The one Olympic Games in Tokyo over you could argue that the basically sponsorship as as as reached a point where it seeks did the benefits. It's GonNa get and so you know if there's a bright clueless halfway through four years is another four years. He's actually quite a long time in the world of sponsorship isn't it? I'm what's what's your what's become apparent is that there's There's a glut of of champion cyclists and diminishing returns for them certain that was being to callum skinner a couple of weeks ago who he did win an Olympic gold medal in real and he's talking about Olympic gold medalist who cannot get sponsorship deals that are just too many of them I mean you know in the early in the two thousands. The likes of Chris. Hoy Victoria Pendleton had huge profile and sponsorship deals Because they were so unusual And they were. They were the you know they were. They were pioneers In a way on it's been very hard for the athletes coming behind them to follow them and there's just a general malaise around track racing. I think this is a global phenomenon and I I guess. Britain was unusual in that trot racing was very popular for a while. And but it it you know the the trump world champs right the way on the A. Nobody seems interested. It's inevitable us by that first generation as you said rich Chris. Hoy Victoria Pendleton Bradley. Wiggins cavendish Garin Thomas of cluelessly. The the the they really Who've it up the the media attention they were a fresh brand new story at the time and the subsequent generations of how can they? How can they exceed the achievements of The people who have gone before them and when look at the British cycling lineup at the moment I'm not doubting that there are some absolutely excellent performance but in terms of breaking into mainstream consciousness and becoming Instead of the Bankable Stars off sport not just a cycling really lower. Kenny is is the bankable star isn't she? And there's not a great deal I was The kind of captures the imagination. In quite the same way I do also without gather the the publicity around Dr Richard Freeman and all of the You know the Bradley Wiggins Fancy bears hack is not a factor in HSBC's decision It's inevitable that people will draw that conclusion from this news today. August isn't the also champs in the wider. Context am problems you could call them that suddenly Strategic changes that H. SBC AM is undergoing as a company. Well they're certainly job losses on quite a large scale at HSBC so in that. Context of 'em often marketing activity. That gets gets as well as into so. Maybe not surprising. Podcast is supported by science in sport. Science in sport fueled by science. Thank you very much. Indeed to sciences sport for their continued support of the cycling podcast. And you can still get your twenty five percent off with the code. Sis C. P. Twenty five at science in Sport DOT COM AT SIS C. P. Twenty five just before we go on to talk about Aramco. Evan the poll am crashes coroner quickly from last week. We had a a message from a listener called. Tailgate can heart and who pointed our discussion last week about the new. Uci rule that allows development team rights to write for world through teams. And it's been done already this season By Ub's Ma in provence and Israel stocked nation at the Herald Sun tour. So there we go. 'em So jake sture for Groupama. Fda last weekend wasn't the first. Thank you for that tale to keep less than even though. M We usually make errors. Now we're GONNA talk about. How Corona virus might affect the racing 'em is developing story in Italy. Really fooball March has been canceled bite. Races may well be under threatened or some big ones there. She weeks but before we get onto that am the racing the has been run while Remco Avenue poll and Al Gharb was really the standout performance. Wasn't it it was. I mean he's ridden to stage races a season. One both of them and these twenty years old Fresh Years Appro- las year. He had a very good year. I think most of US imagined for all his phenomenal talent. They would take him two or three years to find his feet as a professional because even been racing his bike for that long and but he is quite. The phenomenon isn't an e said in all Garba. He's not quite as best that he's got a couple of kilos to lose before the Jiro on. You do wonder what is ambitions will be going into the Jiro. Yes rich Very impressive on. I'm still sort of struggling to wrap my head around it really Just based on his physiology. There's nothing remarkable. Nothing stands out is quite short He doesn't particularly look like You a sprinter a time Charleston. Climate just kind of very average build and just kind of coincidence of what seems to be a bit of a genetic freak coming from the the absolute sort of cradle of professional cycling in in the world. You know it's not. As if there've the Belgians have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be the best bike riders in the world professional segments existed for just over one hundred years and the gene pool has become. We've we've often said this in the last fifteen or twenty has become a lot wider. And that sort of you would think would reduce the odds freak. A new set of free did appear reduced. The odds of him coming from From somewhere like Belgium in a sport where physiology and genetic makeup are absolutely key is primarily a physiological exercise right nearby so I'm I think it's quite astounding really am. I do think there's a danger that you know people will expecting to win. Absolutely everything competing. Yeah I don't think we've seen him Really beat the best in the high mountains while we certainly haven't yet he's references in the high mountains are pretty pretty slim. I'm not least because he's he's not really rice much in the high mountains. He's pretty new cycling four or five years ago we still playing football and thought it was going to be a professional footballer and even as an amateur didn't do a lot of the big mountainous races. Valdosta home the lease our in France and these races where we usually. We usually see someone's credentials in the mountains but I put anything past him in. Jira chip on being facetious. When I suggest that he's going to win the Jiro he he's not really written anything like the claims that he will write the Jiro. And but you do you watch especially in a time trial. Which is he talked about. Cycling began tests officials time-trial. The race of truth is ultimate test of just pure ability to beat ruined Dennis to catch Don Martin as he did and he's so impressive Luke Hamming he has a small guy am surprisingly strong in the time-trial contender. I would think for the Olympic time-trial Golden Japan and Y- he does appear to have the the ability to write up hill too. So you know looking a bit further down the road. There don't seem at the moment to be any limit suggest. The unusual thing about him being a Belgian is that has skillset is not the typical badgen skill set in the one the one the one race he might struggle on his state to refunders a pirate bay. And because he doesn't look like the writer who would excel on. The cobbled stretches of the cupboard claims an. He's just too small for that. But you know it's a long time since Belgium has had a grand tour contender really am nine hundred. Seventy nine Belgian grand tour win wasn't lying a lot was the subject of your friends and a couple of years ago. Seventy eight. Sorry the ping-pan Jiro. Yeah so you know. I think he looks just on on paper. And if you study results and Lucas performances. He looks like he might develop into a grunter contender. Certainly I think just just to out very quickly napalm for you come in and the other amazing thing given the number of races. He's already one is hasn't really one many any kind of sprint. That's another area. Where we we never really know how good he is You know I suspect that he's a guy who will win out fifteen groups and twenty groups fairly regularly but we haven't really seen that he hasn't needed to do that yet. Yeah I'm with you Daniel in not really being able to place this Start to the season in any kind of context. I mean the the Vuelta Assan one last month or rather finished at the very start. This month is a pre season friendly. Isn't it I don't want to dominate with faint praise? But it's not necessarily an indicator of coming how about how about dominate with without right. But it's not an indicator of potential grand tour victory. Is it really? It's a it's A. It's an early season race where the field is not that deep and yes he wanted in important impressively. I'll go of is slightly different in that. Certainly the last ten years it's enjoyed a real Real really stepped on from being a sort of a small race wasn't very important for the Portuguese. Peleton not really a race attracted a big field of of stars but really seems our better contoured. Winning two thousand nine. It's become an early season pointer. Victories in Las Ten Years Ritchie Pau Mikhail Korea Kofsky couple of windows. Guarant- Thomas primos robe. Which as well. I'm Paul Gotcha last year. It's a it's a race where you know. You're going to get a decent field. But as I say the star of the PODCAST. The PELETON is really split across Forefront at the moment and it's it's really hard to kind of place these results into any context. Until you see how ev. Nepal gets on against a stronger field in a in a more difficult rice. I mean let's face it. I mean at the talk about Eddy New Eddy Merckx Eddy Merckx won milan-sanremo in his first full season as a professional. I know it's comparing completely different. Eras but this is not quite the same level as I would say performance San Sebastian by even more impressive than than winning Them winning US wheat long state in February. Yeah I I hear you But Allah fleet one in someone last year. Didn't they punch or one in all Garvin on? Winning is important. You only beat the field that you're racing against and an garb. The the field is pretty impressive. You know you mentioned Kofsky. There guys like him you might say. The race doesn't really matter. I look at his performance. Aaron think he's in trouble You know he's clearly not the writer. She actually acknowledges himself didn't they? Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah so so you know you you have Nepal. Will Will be bullied by his performances. And I'm sure that once he does race against In stronger feels he'll do pretty well. He's clearly he's clearly going really well and I thought his his performance to win on the claim was really impressive. Manny jumped the two hundred and fifty meters to go and it was. It was a perfect move at the perfect moment on. Showed something else as well. It was that high end power. You know the he hasn't won in a sprint yet. But that was kind of the next best thing Very impressive indeed. I thought who knows what's going on full just on the time. Trial as well Charles I mean that. Is the one thing napalm we with all the caveats and the the time trial win over? Dennis? I do find quite extraordinary. I know Dennis has said that you know. He saved his best until late in the year. But an for guy who You know as I said wasn't psyching a few years ago and you think of all of this sort of years of honing equipment technique and mental discipline of time trialing and someone like. Marin Dennis's has undergone and other dominant time trials before him took him a few years in general to reach the top. Yeah you think of a guy who's coming green like event apple and you know he's on a fast by can arise for a team who has produced a lot of time. I've lost few years but I find I am pretty say. He's remarkably mature off the bike as well. Listen to his his press interviews are. Are those of you know season? Bro He he. He's very polished. He's he speaks well Very touching tribute to Nicklaus masses Am Son who who still barn which you know again you know. He speaks like somebody who has been in that position for years with real real maturity just looking at his characteristics. What is the biggest raised that you Speaking today would expect him to win this year. He'll be he'd be your favorite. Just I. I think I think I generally think he'll have a similar year to pocket jar last year. And and so you know pocket. Char went on California. There's no California's your M. F. Nepal could win a race. Like the Catalina or am to Poland gas or something like that and he could well if he finished his. Jiro being a quite high position overall. Possibly but again. We don't know about the high yet but I could see him. Having a similar year to quite richest mentioned his temperament and how it easy seems to a I think that could be his biggest asset because When we're talking about him and in comparison to somebody like Gotcha ever Nepal has a what could be a disadvantage in the Belgian? And he is going to be in that Goldfish bowl of Well we know how demanding the Belgium Media Cambay an an an how analytical of performances they convey and just the breadth of coverage in the level of expectation in in a country. That is absolutely cycling. Mad which is not necessarily something that Pau would have to contend with to the to the same degree and I suppose. I'm certainly not trying to tell anyone. Ever Napoleon an an exciting and potentially fantastic rider. I'm just kind of trying to put a lid on A A level of expectation really still only twenty years old and nothing that you know. There's a tendency to to crown somebody that the new Eddy Merckx. I know we've done it. Kinda tongue-in-cheek here but even three years at a long time. I mean professional cycling an in threes time. He would still be younger than you know. A lot of writers who have made quite considerable strides into into their careers. His contemporaries are kind of going to be four five years older than him just because of the age and the progress. He's made so far. And this is one very final note of caution chaps as I pointed out sewn on twitter I think few days ago The Italian GIAMBATTISTA Baron. Kelly was twenty in one thousand nine hundred ninety four second in the twelve seconds behind Eddy. Merckx never won a grand tour. Shoot that I do cycling. Podcast team car. The back of the tax lease of PK race radio. The Tour de France. Reminding me to tell you. 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Lessees already been racing this year. Now we're GONNA TALK ABOUT CORONA VIRUS. Which is certainly a developing story and one that is getting quite close to home and and close to some major bike races with an outbreak in Italy and which is causing Kuala panic at the moment and could affect strategy on key which isn't in the area at the moment bought milan-sanremo certainly is at. Trafalgar. Binda is the women's world through a race is right in the epicenter of actually and You know farther afield is even talk of the the Jiro and even be under under threat am Marvin is spoken by about. This is really nothing he can do about it. But we've seen major football matches postponed and you know we don't really have an any any insight on this atoll. We'll just have to to watch and see what happens over. The next few days won't be. Yeah the situation is obviously escalating Rich in in Italy seven people have died. Now we're talking on Tuesday. You know situations changing all the time. Seven people have died role in the sixties seventies and eighties olde Ale to some degree before they got the virus. But there are twelve town councillors. Now they're completely shut themselves off and sort of Epi sent to the the I think town to sort of shut itself. Corentin itself was a place called Colonie which of you imaginatively is the the boots. Just below the the knee. And it's actually the birthplace of you. Remember anytime sprinter. Mario Traveler Sony in the nineties. He the bit of Trivia about 'em he was I read. This had ever happened before but he wanted to Franz stage. Having finished third having crossed the line third to head of him by disqualifying against happened was one of them anyway. That was the kind of epicenter. And it's in the in the Lamberti region. Obviously Milan is the capital of the Lamberti region. It's everything's managed on a regional level in Italy and Lamberti is the region's taking the most stringent measures They've canceled my sporting events school. The school exchanges in Lamberti have been so foreign students coming to Lombardy and they're they're people's going abroad for example they've been cancelled until the fifteenth of March. That gives you an idea of how worried they are about people coming in and out of the region and but as far as Sam Raimi's concerned obviously starts in Milan. The I fifty five to sixty kilometers thereabouts of the root take place in Lamberti and then the the route goes into Piedmont mom briefly and then into Libya but venues already said that they they will not or they're not considering moving the start You remember in two thousand thirteen for example There was A terrible day of what it snowed in whether it was awful and the that's he took a big chunk account whether it was about forty kilometers on my even be more out of the root reports the race because of snow and truncated the race. But then you said it's half the question that they moved to start take sixty kilometers sixty comes in Lombard off the route and and you know have a short milan-san remo so it's looking pretty pretty bleak. At the moment I would say I think the issues here are the incubation period for the virus is a couple of weeks potentially could be even more than that and the fact that People the Movement of people is is what is exacerbating the sprayed and so Even if even if sporting events going on really it's the movement of people in and out of the affected regions the problem. And so when you're coming when you consider that a sport like football is is Is already. They can't suit Syria matches and talking about playing into Europa League game behind closed doors. This week I'm the priority for the authorities must be get under control and stop it spreading further and The the restricting people's movement is presumably going to be key to that so it's not just about whether or not events can logistically be held is whether or not people can get in and out Whether or not the the gathering of large numbers of people WH- whether it watching football match or watching a bike race. It is is a smart thing to happen. Wall while the areas affected so the moment it seems to be getting worse hour by hour rather than rather than a lead being put on it and things being contained so the first by grace that could be effective would be. Strada Bianca. Men's and women's races the seventh of March then tirreno-adriatico the week after that and then milan-san remo and the weekend off to that so we'll just have to watch and see and it really will be out of. The control of race organizers and cycling authorities went to it'll be down to local and national governments. I was just thinking chaps this week about how the milan-san Raymond has been altered in the past and it reminded me of a story famous story in Italy. There's not strictly speaking linked to milan-san remo directly but I mentioned where how much off the summary macos in Lumbini. You said the race transitions into Piedmont close to a place called Avar. And that's where the two Aquino the famous I climb off milan-san remo starts. There was that there was a proposal in the late seventies which became sort of infamous to flatten toward Keno. To to not to Aquino the whole mountain down was a famous show on Italian TV called Portobello. And in the late seventies s a fellow came on that one of the re regular features of the show was sort of regular people. Come on and suggest solutions to extraordinary problems. You know Things that were given the Italian population Real difficulty and this chap from llamas tram driver came on he said right. I've got a solution to the fog in northern Italy. The fog that you know. He's a real facet of life all across northern Italy and he said if we open if we basically open a window onto the Mediterranean Sea. We can get rid of the fog and the way we do. Is We flatten the two AKINA We'd knock it down. 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You'd like for your bikes equipment. Goto LACQUER DOT CODE OR UK. That's Lacquer L. AKA DOT CO DOT UK to find out more. We'll we'll keep our fingers crossed for the Italian races. Come on indeed for Italy M. and hope that the corner virus does Become contained and doesn't spread any further seems a forlorn rates. Italian health minister. Who's in the press? A lot of the moment is is called you. Sappy Hope Giuseppi spare answer. So that's a that's a good sign. Positive sign will klay onto every con any other business on charts. I mean there's been lots of racing as we sat in the race ongoing woman and the UAE tour. Which are we watch just before we start recording today and it was a really phenomenal. I think we're all waiting for pocket. Char to lighten things up but it was as took over a minute. Pachon looked very very good indeed and in searing heat. That really took its toll on a lot. Riders Alejandro Valverde was was well off the pace. James Knox was Seems to be suffering in the heat as well and quite a few other writers to so the race was really blown apart today on the porch. All look good. He'll have another chance there of course bottom Exceptional or we've we've talked before. Haven't we a couple of weeks ago? I think I mentioned the Paul doesn't like the heat. suddenly announced right now is he likes the sort of murky cold And I guess we saw that today. I mean I looked at the temperatures and they were roundabout twenty eight twenty nine thirty degrees in Dubai. So yeah that may be a factor. But it's a huge win in the same way the King Thomas Win Move Onto Was By huge margin Last week Adam Yates one by every minute. Well I have a challenge to do it all over again on. Jabil defeat on Thursday. Won't I am quite like this? This two legged affair on the same mountain few days apart is might be something that one of the grandmas could do in the future It's been done in the past as far as they went to outdo as twice in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine didn't they longtime ago now but yes seeing seeing out to two thousand ten and they don't sit size age and of course in the dolphin a they'll be going up to miss chef to two different routes on the final weekend. I'll quite like it. It's two thousand eleven. Do they not go over the delivery? A twice bond to defrays. Why did you wind different on different sides? Do I like it. I think it because it gives you the opportunity to draw comparisons who went on stage the first stage who went well on the second page. I mean there is now a Richard allude deter. They're kind of a revenge match opportunity for pogos. When did pogue become Paul? Gotcha nicest. You've been very Polish. Yeah well how is how is it? Nine hundred a child just saying just. Pug Paul to podcast anyway. A system of fines for using his correct name isn't written applaud hog with twiddling a little fancy little gear on On Clinton I wears out of me is was the big ring most of the time so we should say. I mean maybe Adam Gates won't need to make quite the same statement second time around because the overall win. Well he's going to defend now hasn't it? Yeah just go to defend. I'm the race in the south of France. I mean the tour days out Mary. Team to aid you. Var- a bit of a mouthful. It used to be called the Tour de Tocqueville. Didn't it a few years ago? But some of these races need to think about their marketing. A bit more This this should be the hipsters criteria. I remember I go exercise. For years ago. When Strana Bianchi became strategy Bianchi remember? It started off as a date. Yeah and I. I was upset at the time because I really liked it. You know it's unusual. Name for Reese Roy Cup but actually now we'll obviously star bank. He makes perfect sense. Doesn't it but this this little stage Ray three-day racist kind of Reminiscent of the. Oh Two of the Mediterranean reminiscent of criterium international when it used to be held down in the south of France or Pyrenees regular visitor court to the Kodak and more feral and taking off places. We're really mean something to those of us who grew up following cycling in one thousand nine hundred hundred. I mentioned at the start. Julian Benaroya following in the wheel tracks of his father's your Francois this weekend but the outstanding performance again now container winning another night vacation. Yeah for Arcada some sick and well. We can speculate about why. Nine Newman Newman. Of course Superman Superman as well Won a stage alcoholic very well on on did a decent time-trial as well soup superman and all these little clues you know when when these writers start facing off against one another It's going to be quite interesting isn't it? It is yeah bring it on. I mean that's the sort of unintended consequence of the shambles is a cycling. Season is their home scattered asunder and then But it does it sort of doesn't it because you just get these tantalizing tidbits and and your imagination does the rest and then you know. We eventually see them all. Come together. It begins of a Catalina. Doesn't it in the Basque country a little bit and then and ramps up as we get towards the end the tour and by but Catanha does like a new? A new man. Doesn't he really well? He wouldn't have been targeting these kind of races if he was still with. Maulvi Star Woody. There's clearly the influence of his new team and sponsor. And it's free. Yeah and fresh rations as well. Maybe exactly the new lease of life on. I'm over in Spain. The route also barring McLaren having such strength in numbers certainly caught my eye Mikhail. Linda lost out to Fu Sang on the first stage Peyot by lost out to food on the third stage Lander finished on the podium. But the fact that they had to three right at all. They're all or riding aggressively contesting. The stages was I well we've not really seen that from from Bahrain Before it does look like. They're certainly racing trying to catch the eye. Bit more trying to win stages trying to make Perhaps it's the influence of raw dealing with coming to the fore already. I think they've got really good Rosser. Haven't they very versatile roster think inheriting a ride like Dylan Toy? Is Absolute Godsend for anyone? coming lot road ending with his coming into that row. Tones is a writer is getting but I think every year He's quick He's resilient He's GonNa be a massive threaten the Dan and You know we've seen him in major tools in the last couple of years now. Having for for a couple of years has been a bit of a nearly man he saw into sort of convert the opportunities that it does crepe from south particularly on the steep climbs. I think he's on the start list for only news blood at the weekend and yet a very good result there last year didn't they did a baffling legal. Resolving faith wasn't he he was yeah he was in in a move with St Barnabas. Matt Wellans Cinco so perhaps not surprising finish fifth out of the five but really was surprised to see him then who won last year was one last year. Yeah not sure yeah. I'm but the other well well and just not not someone you would have previously associated with a couple of either. It was a funny funny. Move that really the mix of riders in that But yeah twins on the start list again this year and of course. This is the start of the season proper this coming weekend. Richard A newbie. There I'll be there Lionel heading over the direction on Thursday morning for a special assignment in the morning and then going to hang around get news brought and then it sort of ugly sister current in Brussels Kern which famous after the Lord. Mayor's parade isn't it? It's kind of funny race every little key for a race in the area as well But for that reason it's great for talking to Writers Star and hadn't used bonds A. B. is a mini tour funders and it has all the kind of razzmatazz funded has really so looking forward to should be good just finally chops. I missed my cue few minutes ago. Talking about Race names we. Were you guys aware of a rice place in Tunisia or suddenly house then called the international cycling tour of the Central Pharmacy and so ucla this guy to race and the lost edition was written in two thousand eighteen and one of the stars of the show was them friend of the podcast. Davide rebellin definitely one that you want on your Palmeiras. Isn't that one. I know there's been a few unofficial champions of the tour of the pharmacy and if anyone anyone knows more about or any listens have been to the international cycling tour of the Central Pharmacy Tunisia. Then by all means getting touch and let us know what would you say? That's your favorite race name. Dinu I think so. It takes beating. Isn't that it certainly up there. Richard Favorite race now. I can't think of anything to be told. Me Lasts no next week. I was used to like the golden sporting tweet DOXA. In in Flanders they The to the Golden Spurs to day. I said spoarer enough allows we went out and it's another name for the tour of Scotland. Had the golden sparring sorry listeners in Scotland I didn't make more more more is named after the battle of the Golden Spurs. I think I talked about this. In in the line of Flanders a few years ago the battle of the Golden Spurs was big deal in Flanders took place in and around the area of quarterback and was a battle between the Flemish in the French. I think another belt of chops was the tour of the Frankfurt airport. Do you remember that up for airport. What was it called in German? The Who owned Dan Flew coffin the flu coffin or actually flew coffin. Kern bonds. Who's actually sorry wrong? Airport prong apple similar area of Germany. And but it was Cologne and Bonn Apple for stage one terminal one to terminal two dare and then then the criterion round the baggage claim belts tight corners but not cheating by bunny hopping onto the the moving conveyor belt. Yeah we've we do we really. We'd really better wrap up for this week. I think before this. This is into the surreal. Well before we go this week and I should say I should. We've got some big news for the cycling podcast. The next week's episode ams do tune in for that and say some. Thanks to friends of the PODCAST. So for me big. Thank you to Andrew Geddes. Peter Boden will whitmore Derek Morgan Sean. Donahue Bernard McNally Kyle Doan Simon Hall Louis Van and Starling. Swim and a big. Thank you from ME TO PENELOPE ECONOMY. Ralph M Sanda Marty. North Mike Long Shanks Hetherington. Kevin Merit Andrew dickey. Elaine Puritan Stephen Gra and John Edwards and a big. Thanks for me to someone like myself. We've Polish origins sound more yard Cesky. Jody Shimoda Mark Watkins. Jody entirely Schwartz Schmaltz and Kevin Rushton Sharon Chambers Michael. Bushel Chris Jim Carey and Mark Edmonson. I'd also thanks to Francesca or soft. Ska Who I met the weekend and told me to say thanks to her. For being a podcast. In this week's podcast thanks. Francesca thanks Daniel. Thanks thanks Richard. You've been listening to you. The cycling podcast subscribe to a newsletter at the starting cost Com to get all the latest news and special offers delivered straight to your inbox. This episode was edited and produced by Tom Wally.

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But first major news coming out of the association that guy had just introduced in the middle there. Zach Lowe teamed with Adrian Ski to report that quote barring an unforeseen turn of events many NBA owners executives. Mvp elders believed that in June Adam. Silver will green light. The return to play with Games expected to resume sometime before the end of July source also in the report. The League is discussing a step by step plan for a resumption of the season that includes at initial two-week week recall a players to team markets for period quarantine then wants to two weeks of individual workouts at team facilities at a two to three weeks. Formal training camp sources told. Espn now the NBA. Still considering to site format for the return of the season including Orlando's Walt Disneyworld and Las Vegas sources said so Zach. How big of a first step is this in terms of at least having a framework of how they could restart the season? Well I mean it's really a baby step but every first step is something. That baby step is something. We don't know exactly when it's going to happen but sometime around the first week of these teams expect to hear something from the League. This just preliminary. Hey get ready. Maybe start getting your players back by that. Process is complicated depending on where the players are coming from and what market they're going to some markets are open. Some markets are closed. But just the very notion that the NBA appears to be ready at some point in the next couple of weeks to say. Okay get ready. We're going to start ramping up and ramp up one stage a practice in another another. It's everything is trending toward something happening games happening. It's interesting too because there's been discussion back and forth Zach about with. They do have a season. What would a championship really means? Would there be being asterix as shack reported you feelings on that right. Yeah by the way should say shack opined. You'll open but you hear that it's shock you that all the time you know. What if player x catches the virus and that really screws up a first round series or a second round series that that could happen and if a superstar gets hurt it always sort of screws up the playoffs a little bit but actually think it. This could work the other way around. I think there could be a certain badge of honor in being the team. That in these circumstances in this strangeness comes out and Survives. All the playoffs fries. For four rounds. Certainly they're going to be a champion. We remember forever because this is so different. I actually think it could be a badge of honor. A sign of toughness something. A team can be proud of the Asterix doesn't have to be a negative connotation it could be something to actually be proud of ten twenty years from now reports. Great Point Perk. I wanted to ask you about something your team mate James Harden said he was asked by CNBC about Zach and we'll just report specifically James said he's cool with playing games without a crowd and he also said he feel comfortable playing basketball again but perky stimulated he would be comfortable when the pandemic has quote calmed down all the way to a minimum. That is an interesting distinction harden went on to say. I want it to be safe. I wanted to be entertaining and players to get out there and compete as soon as we can get this ramped up. I'm ready to go. I feel like the majority of players feel the same way. So perk. I it's interesting. Everyone's version of safe is a little bit different right. When he says the virus to a minimum. It could be more than a year right before we get a vaccine or real adequate treatment. Would you be willing if you were a player in the League today to lose the significant amount of money that can come to just wait this pandemic out see Rachel? Here's the problem again. Not Come on Jay's James we'll talking about James Harden a guy who makes hundreds of millions of dollars outside the basketball is only about fifteen ten percent of those guys that make that much money outside hoping a lot of these guys need to give back to work and if it was me and their position of fourteen I a fourteen year old role player. Absolutely I'm ready to get back to work like because like I told you before rate shown on one on one of the shows that hey listen this is a job. This is how feed my family. This is how I put clothes on my kids begging food on the table at the end of the Day James. Everyone is not like you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars just land arou- Although we make a great amount of money but just think about it you got everyday people who are working at gas stations and working at Walgreens at grocery stores and and putting their lives on the line I'm pretty sure the NBA. Who'S A billion dollar business? A billion dollar industry is going across. All all they are is in heavy pretty safe. I for basketball players to return. Well I mean there's been some details coming out about what that would look like Lakers. Vet Jared Dudley confirmed on a conference call yesterday what Zach. You guys have been reporting for a couple of weeks now here at. Espn that if play does resume even if all the teams play at one or two sites the won't be confining players to a strict quarantine bubble that forbids anyone from going out instead it would be more of like a campus environment with careful testing safety measures in place but not a perimeter. Dudley stressed though that while players won't be forbidden from going out. He does expect plenty of pressure between teammates to play it safe since anyone testing positive for Cova. D- would be quarantined for two weeks removed from being able to play and help the team. Dudley added this that when it comes to their labor squad quotes. Bron ad and all the top guys. We won't be wrapping them in a bubble and not letting them go anywhere you'll have to be. It'll be an informal team. Will that won't be a League or in NBA role but you would wanNA say listen. We've come too far. We're going to put our family and everything else on hold so Zach. Is that what you have heard of about where we are going to be? I don't think any there's no such thing as a perfect bubble. There's no such thing is a perfect failsafe solution. There's always going to be gaps in risks. And all that and I think jared is right. That's all you can do is try to mitigate your exposure as best as you can but there's just no way mitigated completely and and very likely someone is going to get this. Maybe a player gets it and I think the challenge is not just that player. I mean that players got a quarantine. We know what that player has to do with the NBA is still figuring out. You know exactly. What do his teammates after do they all get tested? But how long do they have to be quarantined? It's just a few hours is just overnight. All of that stuff is. I think we're trending toward answering those questions. But these are really hard question to be. None of us ever lived through anything like this and the NBA. Trying to figure out just like everyone else is trying to figure out Zach. I agree with you and I and listen. I'm you I Brigadier Dudley. The look at the end of the day as hoopers. We've missed the game and guys are ready to get back to work. And I think they're going to take the needed actions. Access needs to be taken in order to stay on the court. They're going to do everything in their power to make sure that they try to stay healthy and Dude airport because guys missed the game. Y'All know saying you never know what you got until it's gone guys are realizing that and they would never take the NBA for granted again if they did so you know guys want to get back to work and I'm pretty sure all NBA players are going to do their part outside the what they have to do with the team and try to stay safe and try to stay healthy well. I don't know if this is wrapping Lebron bubble but there was a tweet from stadium this morning that Lebron has been hold on some private workouts with one or two teammates at a time in safe conditions. And I should say this is allowed under the current rules just gives you an idea. Though for the Lakers. Thinking is right now all right coming up. I'm so thrilled about this. Penny Hardaway joins the show. He's GonNa discuss what it was like facing off against the MJ's bowls and tobacco seasons plus. We discuss school. Nike originally wanted is the voice of little penny. It was not Chris. Stay tune for that. 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A fascinating revealing comprehensive chronicle about one of the most inspirational and then infamous athletes of all time. Welcome back to the jump. We are so thrilled to have us. Alleged heading hardaway now. Also the head coach at the University of Memphis. Welcome friend thank you Rachel. I'm glad to be you. Were all over. Everybody's television screens the past few weeks. We all watched the last dance and as the series as note your ninety five Bajic was last to ever beat Michael Jordan playoff series. What bragging rights is that give you gives me Hughes regularized because no one else was able to accomplish that We obviously how Michael had a great time. Just coming back in baseball but at the end of the day we do have those bragging rights team the only statement at and it's been to feed not a great team. You were also carded a college team. That actually beat the dream. Team in the scrimmage before they went over to the Barcelona Olympics. 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Been an R. rated puppet and just say do want to ask you about Memphis and the challenge of coaching in this pandemic. You'd recently been trying to help out draft prospect. Rj Hampton by having your staff. Welcome out a little bit but this whole full those workouts down. Because they didn't feel they were in line with their covid nineteen protocols. How hard is all of this to navigate for college it? It's very tough Right now just no. Not Having our guys and that they're doing zoom zoom cost to the guys in a standard tests with the strength conditioning coach. Not being able to work out with us. They're doing the best they can just like. Everyone else is around the country as far as our two handed thing. Those little unfortunate. We are cracks in social distancing. I made a decision to do so with him. They help him out in and soda. Mike in Obviously they shut us down but it is very difficult in. 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Build a Big Base with Sweet Spot Training

FasCat Cycling Training Tips Podcast

1:02:38 hr | 1 year ago

Build a Big Base with Sweet Spot Training

"From Fast Cat coaching. I'm Frank Overton and this is our training tips. PODCAST being able to get faster is based on and being able to SPF. You gotTa cry in the DOJ Oh to laugh on the battlefield the shit that will kill them and I was always an advocate. You could accomplish more with sweet spot training in writing and soon to loan fall. Performance Endurance Nutrition and weight loss is all about your future Najwa. That's where winning in the kitchen is what would believe do just feeding yourself getting fast. Welcome to the fast cap. podcast where we're on a mission to make you pastor cycles Pasca founder head coach Frank Overton Jackson long happy new year fast cats today. We're going to talk about building a big base with sweet spot. Training we'll cover. Six elements will cover. What base training is we'll talk about? Why sweet spot is better than zone? Two and of of course we'll mention the power base sweet spot metrics because you want to quantitative the size of your base. We'll talk about how many weeks you should sweet spot as opposed to how much sweet spot you should do which we've previously podcast about and we'll talk about what training plans to do to get your sweet spot on on and then we will wrap up with what sweet spot base building looks like in a day to day week to week training plan. Welcome aw I met a blast to numbers one and two. Because we've podcasts at about that before and that will allow us more in depth discussion offer numbers three three six and for number two. This is one of our most popular youtube videos. It's a why sweet spot is better than zone to head over to our youtube channel for that and you can also find that video on our website. It's fast cat. COACHING DOT COM forward slash tips Ford forge slash. Why Dash by training is better than two and speaking of videos? Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for being podcast. Best video series. That's GONNA show you a visual format everything that we've talked about here in our podcast today and then for most of our podcast going forward in twenty twenty as the faithful listeners will remember the whiteboard that we used is to do on our live facebook feeds and and also our youtube videos and we pulled a lot of our podcast podcast listeners. In most of you listen to our podcast while on the car and the bike public transportation. You don't have there's nothing to look at but after after you get done if you want to see more in-depth if you WANNA look at charts graphs you WanNa look. The training plans that power data graphs pictures. ANYTHING ANYTHING WE'RE GONNA do a shorter YouTube Accompanying video of it. How to build a big base with training so look for that in the coming days from this podcast okay Really quick the review of the week comes from Sam Tobias On our eighteen weeks of sweet spot plan and he leaves one of our thirty five five-star reviews and he says just finished week three. The intermediate hit level plan. The five on with Monday and Friday off works great for this old masters rider not feel fresh for every two to three day block of training. I was a little skeptical about going back to a four week cycle after using a three week cycle for the last four to five years a credit this plan for making it work for me the attention to detail each today. The plant is impressive. Lots of great links to relevant articles videos workouts are engaging making time fly on the trainer. This plan is the best I have found for dealing with the Wyss Go. Winners referring to Wisconsin the eighteen week plan drafted into train peaks with no issues lots of comfort and seeing coach. Franks eighteen weeks of training where it will take my CTO and FTP. All I need now is an entry into the decay. Two hundred twenty twenty gravel on. Uh All right thanks Sam thanks. Thanks for that review and if all goes well we will see you at the decay. Two hundred and as a side note I talked with the promoters of lifetime because fast cat will be there in the event in the expo. Doing our Our own event marketing and they said they have ten thousand applicants for Gosh however many spots there are maybe even more than ten thousand so really truly does become a lottery. That's how popular grabble racing has become. Okay so let's get into how to build your biggest biggest base was sweet spot training. Because I assume that's why you're listening. It's it's twenty twenty. It's New Year's you're Super Pont. You're motivated you know. You need to ride more four in twenty twenty than you did in twenty nineteen. You know that base training is important in. We're GONNA talk about all the components. It's they go into based training 'em the old schoolers. Listen to listening to this. You'll probably remember Eddy. Merckx says quote Rod. Lots it's not really true and we're GonNa talk about the data and the approach to riding lots. We'll talk about how to make more of your training. Time to achieve more more physiological adaptations. And before we get into that I want to talk about what base training is by the Krebs Cycle Your oxidative eight of metabolic pathway based training the writing in which you're using oxygen to generate energy and it's aerobic endurance training that to me is zones two three in and sweet sweet spot sounds foreign five aerobic tube. There's not what I consider based training and so two that's about seventy percent of one stretch hold heart rate and functional rush Holt power a range of about fifty six to seventy five percent zone. Three Tempo is seventy six to ninety percent and then sweet spot overlaps with hi tempo incomes in at eighty four to ninety seven percent of once threshold heart rate or indoor. FTP suites by this kind of like zone. Three report five if you're going by zone two three four and that is based training now there are two other metabolic pathways the like Olympic and phosphate pathway. The GLEICH Olympic. Pathway is your anaerobic power. That's the the the thirty seconds to two minute efforts and then in your foster Jim Pathway. That's your sprint. Power your birthday power that you see criteriums aggressive road races. Some Cross Country Mountain biking and definitely definitely psych across us so metabolic we have three zones by which we make the watts. Make the power make generate muscle contractions in our oxidative. Pathway in general is going to power that they're going to be the primary metabolic pathway for all efforts really beyond two to three minutes and so what we are talking about when we talk about a base in aerobic training is producing more physiological adaptations that that occur in and from a rogue training in zones. Two through sweet spot and those are the pocket protector physiological adaptations like Mike increase stroke volume cardiac output and thereby vio to Max increase plasma volume increase Monica Andrea Density Muscle glycogen stores Muscial. Oh capitalisation just to name a few. And all these adaptations occurred during aerobic training so to three and sweet spot and so you can build old big base in like Eddy. Merckx did just by writing lots and then you can also build a bigger base by rining in the sweet spot because the sweet spot produces more of those pocket. Protector physiological adaptations. I just listed off then riding in in in in zone two alone and that leads us to number two. Why sweet spot training is better than to training and again? I have the whole video over on Youtube. It's got a lot of us. There's this is where a lot of controversy lies around. But let me just you know. Get into it. Ah in term better. Why sweet spot is better than zone? Two I determine defined better in terms of more physiological adaptations. More things things that you do in your training that stimulate your body to adapt to that stimulus to get get faster and what we're talking about with sweet spot is building a bigger aerobic engine. We're not talking about the galactic or the phosphorylation pathways. That's GonNa come when you do your intervals after finish your base training. What we're talking about is the aerobic adaptations that that you know? Give give you the foundation. WE'LL GET INTO ARTHUR LINEAR Pyramid model in short while. But this is the the Aerobic Endurance Training that gives you the platform in the foundation to go on to make the higher race specific power output so we talk about In the past will in the future so What happens win by with sweets by training? And then this you know. This applies applies mostly to the the master's router the amateur cyclists. That may only have ten hours a week to train. What you find with the the professionals which is where a lot of the training knowledge comes from you know the trickle down? Oh here's what the pros do. So this is what the amateurs do. It doesn't quite work that way for base training because the pros they can go out and do two four to six hour rides. You know all day and and they can do twenty twenty five hour weeks some. We'll do thirty if you're on team sky and that that's their job and they'll spend up the significant portion of that riding Zun to they just cannot do sweet spot training for twenty hours a week. It's just physically impossible and so a lot out of the cycling training knowledge that has trickle down from that is just the zone to the long long steady you know long slow distance. LSD are the pros are doing you know miles and miles and we'll just go out and ride easy and to be honest that it was so nineteen nineties and With the invention of of power meters and power data in there was a huge evolution of cycling knowledge in science that that came from that in one of those things that came from that is the ability to quantify our base in that he as you recall. If you go back and listen to the how I invented sweet spot training podcast podcast. I did December of two thousand eighteen. I get into like the story of how a bet that that came about but but the point is is that when that came about we realized sweet. Spot training produces greater physiological adaptations than zone two alone and and therefore if you have ten hours a week and that's it you know you. You can't benefit from the twenty hour weeks weeks like the pros. Do you need to be smarter about how you use those ten hours a week and the way that you can be smarter is you can achieve greater later physiological adaptations the mighty hunter density the Kappler Ization the increase plasma volume by rining harder in zone. And it's zone sweet spot in in your sweet spot and I have a chart on are on the fast cat. COACHING DOT COM website. That shows as you. The distribution of those physiological adaptations in zones one through seven seven being you're the ATP Foster Jin pathway zone one being active recovery really concentrate on the zones two three four five and six and what I want most of you all to check out and this is. This is one of the primary reasons while we're making to make video from this. PODCAST is if you look at the column under zone to it Zone to produce all those aerobic adaptations but if you go over to the tempo column you begin to produce use more of those physiological adaptations and then you go over to the sweet spot column and you produce even more than than tempo and so that's what we mean by more by better for more physiological adaptation. Once you get over into the zone four you really produce a lot of those physiological adaptations but the problem is that's it's really hard in the body needs more time to recover from that type of work and therefore this is the story of sweet spot. If you back up you go sub threshold shoulder you ride on your threshold. If you don't go as hard as you can. Then you're going to be able to ride air. Spend more time in that sweet meets by because you're going to be able to recover from it and she get a better bang for your buck. And that's how the the term sweet spot originated if you look at our graph wrath of sweet spot training in relation to the physiological strain. You'll notice that there is a it. peeks out where the physiological strain is the lowest in relevant in relative to the amount of physiological -tations achieve riding around zone three point five or sweet spot or eighty four to ninety seven percent of your functional threshold. Power so go check out that that training tip and in the the the cliff notes version is one hour zone to training produces less stimuli than does one our sweet spot training and we can see that measured heart rates powerbase metrics like training stress score. TSS and consequently you are CTL and your CTO. Which we've podcasts at about? Oh this last year the member of the Masters CDL podcast Athena's from February of two thousand. Nineteen that leads me to bullet point number three quantifying your base in many many years ago i John Verhoeven I a fellow coach colleague. We put together a presentation. Asian this is like in two thousand four two thousand five right when all this technology the powerbase education was coming out. We put together a presentation. We gave needed a few bike shops. And we were. We had this grand idea of educating everyone on it and it just didn't catch on. We probably weren't that good presenters but the title The presentation was quantifying your base and measuring your training load and using your power base metrics to do so as the story goes in what we found out as you can achieve a greater training load a greater base bigger base by training in sweet spot a-. And so really what quantifying your bases in if you go. Gee It's it's that age old question on the group at how much achieve you've been writing lately you know when you show up to your group Brad and you may see a friend but you haven't seen a while. Hey how much you've been rhyme lately. And if they are like Oh yeah no one really ever says a ton because everyone tries to say They they want to keep their cards close to their chest but then you see them out on the road and they've been there riding really strong they look comfortable. They're not suffering. Those are people that have a higher trainload higher. CTO and then the the athlete did. He's like wow. I have not been on my bike. I have not been training much at all. Those athletes with really low. CTO They have not been training that much so that leads us to the number three powerbase metrics to measure the base. You are building in. This is important because a lot of the discussion in the past or around. Sweet sweet spot is just been talking about daily daily workout like in. That's really not the point one of the the things that I always say like. You know. We're operating in the Matrix. It's not just what you do on a on a single day. It's what you're GONNA do in six weeks. Twelve weeks eighteen unleash. That's that's the amount of time we're GONNA talk about in terms of base training and those goes back to the building. Your Foundation of the pyramid linear the Joe Friel You know just comparison but stepping back powerbase metrics and and if you rod more in twenty twenty then you did in two thousand nineteen for the next three months. It's January February March April. Or just whenever you're doing your base if you Rod Moore. I guarantee you'll be faster. You'll have a higher. FTP Greater Greater amplitude for race specific power output. She'll just generally have greater endurance and be fitter from riding riding more. What do we mean by writing more And while that could be anywhere you know originally back in the day it was like Ma House Powell's miles in that kind of translated into into Duration you know the pros do twenty our twenty five hour weeks and then in one thousand nine hundred ninety s you know when the the hurry based training came about they talk about long steady distance long distance. LSD So there was that and then on you know in the two thousands with the advent of power meters. You know one of the first I original power meter metrics was kills cage as powerbase metric that kill jobs basically measure the amount of work you do on the bike and so people people would go do these three thousand killer Joel Rods. which is six hundred kilojoules for five hours and that that's working really hard if you're doing like a zone to ride you probably can you know? Take off about four to five hundred kilometers per hour. And then you just measure that so coaches would say okay go out and two thousand kills things like that and then in two thousand four Dr Coggan and Hunter Alan introduced training distress score which is calculated from how hard you ride times You duration basically took your intensity factor from your normalized power our square that in multiply that by the duration you road that gave you t s s and that he says went into the. What's what's now called the performance manager chart? That's the shit that will kill them that I've described before and that calculates your chronic training load your CTO now that measures you're the size of your base and so as you start tomorrow or New Year's Day you have a CTO or if you haven't been writing much you have a CTO. Let's say thirty or forty or fifty. Where wherever you are and then you go about twelve to eighteen? Weeks takes a based training. You're going to use that performance manager chart to quantify the size of your base as it goes up and that's what we were talking about with that Masters Astor's CTO masters you peak out around like let's say eighty five or ninety five depending on how much time you have to train in your age and all those factors. So that's what we mean. When we talk about quantifying your base but overall if you ride more by any of those six riding metrics I I just listed out you'll build a bigger base and therefore up you a bigger better aerobic engine in so what happens if you have ten hours a week to train and you only have ten hours a week to train this year? How are you going to build a bigger base? We'll say last last year you just Kinda you're like riding around in zone two maybe didn't know about sweet spot training And so you spent ten hours or four twelve to eighteen weeks writing in zone to your. CTL went up to whatever it did. in twenty twenty if you take those same ten hours for that same timeframe twelve weeks eighteen weeks and you spend time writing in sweet spot. I guarantee you. You will be faster at the end of your base period and be better positioned to go on to achieve more refund your interval training and then gone have a bigger aerobic engine. That's GONNA fuel you drive you towards your goals when you switch from your base to race which which will get into so if you have ten hours a week. I guarantee the athlete that spends time trading in his or her sweet spot will achieve more than the athlete. That spins those ten hours riding in zone two so for all you polarized fans out there. That's that's probably different than what you understood in. We could do a whole podcast about that. And I don't think you should be doing intervals. Goals like polarized training describes year round. I think there is distinct timeframes of the year where you just dedicated just to base. And that's what we're talking about about. We're not talking about interval training. You still need to do interval training the way I approach sweet spot training but right now we're just talking about just building aerobic base and so no no full gas intervals just yet. So athletes that measure the size of the race race with their power data. This gets into your C tail. What we talked about? If you take that you know the ten hour week athlete zone to too sweet spot you this could be a future graduate student Like a future. PhD Thesis for Graduate Student. And if there's anyone out you're listening that is considering getting their Their PhD in exercise physiology. Or whatever. Lana work your your want to go into. How earning experiment for you? I have a proposal. You take the athlete Obviously you probably in order to correct study need more than one athlete but ah samples and all that but take one athlete. You have them do ten hours of Zone to training for twelve weeks. Have a very similar athlete. Do ten hours of sweet spot training for the similar to two weeks. Measure their power threshold before and after measure their video to Max take them through the the full gamut have them do a muscle biopsy at the beginning and the end. I guarantee you the A muscle by Seattle. Come up after suites by training with Greater Monica Andrea density capitalization you're the metabolic tests will reveal higher higher view to Max and so that would be just interesting data to see and I think that would be worthy of an entire graduate thesis this so there's that but what I just referenced is. How many weeks? Oh sweet spot training. You should do because I was just talking about Twelve weeks and so this goes back to what of previously referenced. The great running coach Arthur Leader and he wound around coaching two gold medal. Well not to gold medals but I think the story goes In the nineteen sixty Olympics mix two of his athletes Did did really well. and He published the book run to the top in nineteen sixty two in which she describes Beige page training in in he uses pyramid analogy. And so if you take if you think to the Joe Friel was the one that really took this in introducing it into the cycling world his train Bible and if you just think of a pyramid the in how big is the bigger the base the part that the foundation that touches the ground the bigger that is the higher you can build that pyramid and if that base is much smaller Dr you cannot achieve as greater amplitude as the Bigger Foundation pyramid. And so this is the the whole concept between a for For basic training the water the base greater the foundation. Upon which you have to build that the this is the essence of cycling training. If you build a bigger base you can go on to to achieve a higher peak smaller base and there's not enough girth in the size of the pyramid to reach your potential in so masters athletes fast cat nation. Russian now is the time in. That's why we're talking about it right now. Now is the time to build your bigger base you know in in. I know there's many have you out there in podcast Lan because we get the questions in May what do I do and we get the questions in April. What what do I do to be honest honest at that point? You're you're already kind of up Shit Creek in terms of reaching your position potential. You can still improve from where you are in May but you can improve a whole heck of a lot more from January first twenty twenty and so don't the The base that's probably the single biggest omission from masters training with when it comes to reaching your potential and so the answer to the what do you do may is is. You just have to rely on your experience and the depth of your just natural ability you because you have to do the higher higher wattage efforts otherwise you're just gonNA get your doors blown off when when you do race and so those those six weeks you have to basically in those six you have to do everything you have to address all three metabolic pathways when in so you're just not able to achieve much so going back January first. Twenty twenty dedicate the time. Build the big base. This is the fun training this is you do have to spend time in in the saddle. There's no no way around that. Usually your metrics. You need to compare yourself to pros. The only thing you need to think about is do more base as those metrics I listed earlier than you did last year or the previous year. I have years of the data in in like in two thousand four where my first daughter was born in account took a break from cycling and I have and and then in two thousand and five when she was like on autopilot and I realize that having a having a daughter was not the end of cycling and started writing more. That's like when I had my best season ever but if you take if you WANNA take your training load you can look back at how much you wrote during your base face from the for me. Two thousand thousand five to two thousand and four. It was like double and my performance was you can't have like a double performance double double FTP as soon as we can figure how do that. Then I think we're onto something but my point is my threshold was easily thirty percent higher and I just put in put in the time and so for the athletes doing decay. Bwi are all these long long. Gravel races You need to put in your time. I'm in and if you don't put in your base the you know you're just shopping. Like twenty percents off your potential right there. Same way for lead though put in the time now build that big base and then when it comes time to start training high intensity interval training the specific power outputs. You're going to be so much further ahead and that this is where you reach your potential. So that's my little motivational speech as a side a note for motivational speeches. If you want a really good one I was on Youtube Training yesterday indoor trainer I came across. I do like usually when I'm training. I'll finish off like the hour and may have been doing swift or something minute. Come back to Youtube and you just you wind up in the most random places but I wound up on one of Arnold Schwarzenegger's of videos on Youtube is a motivational channel speech. You gave if you search Arnold Schwarzenegger motivational speech on Youtube. It's incredibly good. It just talks about all the things that we we advocate. You you gotta work hard. You gotta be dedicated. It's not what you do just one day. It's what you do consistently over time. It's really great speech and And it has nothing to do cycling Everything to do with training so go check that out. Okay so how how many weeks of sweet spot training should do well it. The sooner you start the more time you have to do it. And that's why we're talking about in January first twenty twenty the ladies start the less time you have to do it because you previously mentioned you have to move on you have to do the harder stuff later on that. That's the that's the up Shits Creek training approach so I do if you have eighteen weeks You'RE GONNA do great if you have twelve. You're going to do really well. If you have six to dedicate to sweet spot training or base training in general you know that's better than nothing offing one of my favorite expressions better than nothing. But if you get to six weeks before one of your big races you gotta do everything all at once. So that's like the the the that's kind of a hail. Mary Training Plan so but I don't recommend doing more than like eighteen weeks suites by you don't want to do you. Sweet spot year round. You have to do raise specific power output you have to do these Long gravel simulation rides. You know you need to due group rides. If you're in Rhode Credit Union it. You need to begin your season point. Is I believe if you can do six to eighteen weeks of sweet spot. That's how much that's how much time he should dedicate this sweet spot training or your base trading and then in in an annual training plan you do WANNA come back to it after you've tried to peak For your first a race or a a vet or goal this season you do need to rebuild your training low. This is where the performance manager chart is so helpful. Because you see how much you're your training load is you'll have previous data and you'll know how much time to dedicate to building that back up you know in an ideal world. The going back to the trickle down professional cyclists professional cyclists. They've been based trainings since October. November they're going to spend been twenty four weeks bass training approximately but you know that that Even for professional cycling that has changed in the last five ten years. Because now you need to go to a training camp in January and So really your off. Season is limited to depending on when your season ended. You know your off season may be limited to just like November December. You know if you raised up until October and so and then right after training camp January it's off to the races and they will race eight months of the year and so they don't really have time to do much based training and so they're in even if they do have that time you know they have all this racing coming Adam so you want the most coaches for professional cyclists now day will factor that into their base training. It's like you you hear about like like a room or someone like that just doing these races to just you know. Get some race experience That's they're using that as base training. We amateur psych us. We have the ability to pick and choose when we want our season to begin. And you know how long we can. You know dedicated to debase trading. So for me as a coach. If I were in heaven I would have all. All cyclists do twenty four weeks of training training in that would include ten weeks of resistance training. which we've podcasts? It about in the past in when you come out of that ten weeks of resistance training during your resistance training you do plenty of zone tubes introductory aerobic endurance training that switch. You're ready for and then once you've done a finite amount of zone two then you ready to progress towards the harder tempo and sweet spot work in so I would have. I began most athletes when they come out of the resistance training with six weeks of introductory suites by training. It's it's a fatigue dependent training plan design that also includes Tempo endzone to so we'll get into what that looks like on a day to day week to week basis basis so And then when that athlete has progress. Maybe that's when you do feel test to measure you where you are at the beginning of your base and then at the end of your base you're GonNa do one more field test to measure how how effective your base training is going to answer the question. I did this much training and therefore I got this much faster. That's what the the the to field tests that flank the beginning in the end of your base represent and then then the cool thing about power based training as you can get data from your races is that you do or your outgrew Brad's or you can test again later. And then measure how much faster you got from the base plus that that race specific civic interval training after that I digress but so in that so you do six introductory suites by training. Then you do six more weeks so sweet spot with a greater composition of the amount of sweet spot training. You do on a day to day. Also in fatigue dependent training plan design. And then if you have more time than that you know then you're going to do a final six week bill that really pushes your CTO up as high as possible and this is as much sweet spot as the the athlete as you can recover from an or have time for so this gets into the how much sweet spot you should do. podcast that the that we talked about earlier in the year so that's eighteen weeks of sweet spot and that leads me into which are suites needs by training plans to build To us to to build the biggest base that that you've ever built so we have sweet spot part one that's the original six weeks. The sweet spot we have sweets party and then we have sweet spot part three Easter six weeks. That's eighteen weeks total and where you begin in your base is GonNa wear you begin. Those plans is going to be determined by how much time you have to to to build your base if you have eighteen eighteen weeks start with sweet spot part one if you're training for the BMW arm and you have you have like eighteen weeks to the BWI. I can't remember what it what it is. The top of my head right now. It's early May so you got about four months so if you're doing like for instance like a race. Bwi Are you may need to only. You'll only have twelve weeks of time to build the base because you've got to leave six weeks to do that race. Specific power output. That would be the type of training that is found in our gravel plan. Those are the simulation runs in the gravel. Plan does have a lot of sweet spot training in there. But it's also got the zone four and five live training to get you up. Those hills has bottomed atop intervals via to maximum. Push out your FTP out even higher Hit with if you had Developed a good aerobic engine so anyway so like if you if you're doing like a beat. Wr in you may WANNA do sweet. It's part one sweet spot to move onto the gravel plant. But say you've already been riding a lot or say you're you know you're young And you're you're in pretty good shape you race last year you can jump in the sweet spot part two and then move onto sweet spot part three and then in our our gravel plant. And that's going to be an aggressive Bill but hey it's a new year new however the saying goes you're super motivated and you know you can do it. It's just going to be harder but that would also go back to. What are your goals for for the beat our yard and you may maybe like I want a top ten? I'm gonNA podium well yet. Definitely jumped into parts parts two and three on the other hand if you've been in like deep winter and You know you haven't been writing too much you know. Your see tail is nice and low. I would encourage you to start off gradually. You're not gonNa you know Rome wasn't built in a day you're not gonNA want to do too much too same start with like sweet spot part one von sweet spot part two then. The gravel plan to apply to an athlete. That's like I'm just going to beat. W Arthur fine. I am going to use that. As a springboard for my gravel travel season and after the bureau go onto like an array. So I guess what I just said is if Bwi Your Abi race or series she may do sweet spots. What's part wanted to before we move onto the gravel plant? And guess what you're GONNA say. Okay now I want to keep training after. Bwi what do I do. Swedes pod par-three. The three you just. You're splitting it up in a different manner but on the other hand if you're like. BWI Is the most important thing in the world to me get after it was sweet spot part to than sweet spot part. Three in one tip that you can do is your as you're managing your training training load in the performance manager charge driving up that. CTO As high as you possibly can do. You can choose. We have three different levels of our of our sweet tweets about plans and in all of our training in general there's basic intermediate and advanced and so the basic has the athlete training four to eight hours per week. Intermediate is eight to twelve hours a week and the advance plan is twelve to sixteen hours a week or more in. What you can do is you could do? Basic for your first sweet spot plan in being move onto the more hours more sweet spot more. Tss Higher CTL for that with that intermediate plan for the second six weeks. That's a good approach. You may already normally train eight to twelve hours a week so start off at the intermediate and then maybe if you can carve out twelve twelve to fourteen hours after that for the second sweet spot plan that is definitely GonNa help you. This goes back to the more training in all the sweet spot. The world is not going to overcome your limited amount to train. It's going to overcome some of that but you're even with sweet spot training in on ten hours a week you're going to hit a ceiling ceiling in. You're just not going to be able to do any more physically and with that amount of time and so the answer to going even higher building even bigger base is going to go back to eddy. Merckx the Rod Moore and a lot of that. Rod Moore is probably going to be that what I'm going to talk about. The fatigue dependent training plan designed on where you're GONNA do sweet spot your first day of a block and then tempo and then zone to in order to start writing more than ten or twelve hours ars you can have to supplement that sweet spot training with the soon to training in. So I kinda digress. A little bit but you could go. Intermediate idea advanced plan. Is What what I'm saying you could do if you were looking at the next six weeks indoors. If you live in a really cold weather comment you could go basic then intermediate and then advanced for the the next eighteen weeks. That's a really good progression. Most athletes just stick with like intermediate for for all three which is fine too. It's just going to be depending on how much how much time time you have your cold weather. You know. If you're in so cal right now the weather is beautiful and you can do. You can do the advanced if you have that time. Okay so where. Where am I the into? When you're doing your sweet spot training You're moving through those those three plans. They pay attention. You're CTL look at things. We've talked about ramp rate before most masters athletes are going to be able to had to three maybe four CTL per week. And so you quickly realize wow if I go from forty to eighty it's GonNa take some some time for a week and then you've got allow for rest weeks in there and that's where he's subtract so it takes time. I mean this goes back to the littered in the the free appear mid big foundation. It takes time to build so Rome wasn't built in a day. That's why you gotta dedicate more time to it so going back to the sweet spot part one six weeks suites by. That's our original one of our original training plans. That's how this whole journey got started and it's a it's just a sex week progression. It starts off very chill and When you get on our plans we assume that you've been already writing song song that includes zone to base training that mentioning baby becoming off the the weightlifting training plan? And then you know it can be it can be if you're impatient. You may be like I can do so much more. But if you're period is in your training just you know stick with those durations. Those the the way the training plans designed because I promise you it does increase. If you start off with too much too soon there it will be no place for you to progress. That's what we've talked about with a group ride hero before Our sweet spot part to plan. This is just a progression from part one it's a Progressive Overload. You train more you ride. You need to be able to Because you've trained more. I'm I'm sorry. Because you have trained for six weeks already in the sweet spot it's that old adage that the more you train the more you can train in that is also another way of saying you're able to recover better you're able you're going to be able to ride longer and therefore you're gonna be able to drive your CTL up higher It it really is. They added more you train the more you can't train and moving onto sweet spot part three this is this. has you covered for the final six weeks of your based bill this is. This is the generate a lot of fatigue. You need to really pay attention to your sleep. Watch what you eat really really be almost go into monk mode here in this week's thirteen to eighteen of your base training and one final thing without getting too sales we do have an eighteen week. Sweet spot train plan which basically bundles sweet spots part one two and three. And then what we've done with that. We've amended the regeneration weeks so that you can Recover better not risk and injury and ultimately be able to belt out more Watson and build build a bigger base if you're into that and so that leads me into the final bullet point of building a big base with sweet spot. Training is what does suites by training. Look like day by day week by week in a training plan and this is where a lot of the I guess what's been debated in the the popular media has gotten lost is they. They were just talking about sweet spot like a single workout in like what you have to do when you talk about building base it's you know it's not pc versus Mac. I mean this is all through the oxidative metabolic. Pathway you're using oxygen. Here is all based training zone to produce the same adaptations sweet spot. It's just sweet. Spot produces more in so Now so it's about produces more not too so you have to factor that in when you design a training plan. This is the matrix this is how it lays out in a training plan week to week back in the month month month day by day. So that's what are accompanying Youtube video will show you You can go to the product images of each of these plans and we do have an example. Two Week training counter posted period. See so if you want to check those out you know. It's literally lutely in training peaks. Just what your training plan. Looks like and then extremely briefly we I have previously renting written a training tips on fatigue dependent training plan design. That's how I designed all my training for all our training plans in the athletes in which we coach and basically that saying saying you're GONNA do your hardest highest wattage workouts on a Tuesday near you and do a less hard less wattage workout on Wednesday and then your easiest workout on Thursday. You're going with the grain of fatigue as your legs get tired. You go through that block and then you are All of our training plans or the working man's design. What I mean by that is? You're going to rest on Mondays and Fridays. You're GONNA do your short structured one one and a half hour. Workouts Tuesday Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday yet Tuesday Wednesday Thursday. And then you're going to rest on Friday to book in that Training Week and then to rest up in anticipation being able to ride longer on Saturdays and Sundays and so the fatigue dependent training plan goes back to the hard work out longer workout on Saturday and then it goes with the grain of fatigue on Sundays. And that is going to be your slower. Shorter Rod in mostly zone too so I do prescribe a lot of zone. Two during our with our sweet spot training again similar adaptations just not as much and so week-to-week is mentioned What that basically is is sweet spot on Tuesday sweet spot intervals? Short structured say like three by ten. You're GONNA DO TEMPO. TEMPA work on a Wednesday four by you know for about ten so forth and then you're gonNA ride zone to on Thursday arrestee on Friday and then you do you know it's kind of like group Brad season. You should be run with your team. You know everyone's going out on the social group rides. That's that's when you do your longer sweet spot work on Saturdays you. You'll feel good generate a large that Saturday and then Sunday you'll wake up up. You should be tired from the previous day. And that's where you're going to chill out. She's a flat round. You Know Park it like one thirty beats per minute and just you know steadies zone to new training. Life is good rest on Monday and then the following week is going to be like groundhog day. It's going to be the same structure but maybe instead of three bad ten sweet spot on on Tuesday you'll do four by nine and so that's a total of thirty six minutes of sweet spot training as opposed to thirty minutes with the three by ten. That's that's the progressive verbalize. What you're talking about enabling the following week you may go up to like forty minutes sweet spot training or forty five in the successive week? So you know thirty thirty eighty six forty forty five. You'd just walk up a ladder just like that. We too weak consistency. We can week out for six twelve eighteen weeks and on the weekends that you know again with the working man's designed the days that you aren't working presuming. You're working Monday through Friday. You'll ride thirty more minutes each successive Saturday than you did. The previous Saturday and Sunday. So you will switch about training when you initially really start off a two hour on May seem like a pretty long rod and that's what you're training plan will have you do in then adding thirty minutes each successive Saturday Saturday. You'll work your way up to a five or six hour ride in twelve to eighteen weeks thirty more minutes each week and so it really just goes back back to the the more you train the more you can't train you'll be better adaptated annotated. You'll be better. I can't believe I just said that you you be better adapted to handle a higher workload thus longer rides and so two hours you know what seems tough now two hours. This is going to be a drop in the bucket twelve weeks and that's why do that those five to six hours keep pushing your limits keepdriving that. CTO UP KEEP building bigger the base okay. Particular note is the fatigue dependent training plan design or the presence of tempo in zone two rods. That's right right. You can't do. Sweet spot Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and then expected belted out. That's not what sweet spot training is in my opinion. A and so that's the Matrix. That's what I think. A lot of zone two advocates that pooh-pooh on on sweets by training. Don't understand you gotta see it laid out you. You Know Day to day week to week training plan design and so go check those out on on our website and even on Sundays. That's where you're going to do three four or five hours zone to old school base training right but guess what your legs whacked from the previous day because you just did a four hour sweet spot ride and the one of the premises fatigue dependent training. Plan design. You're just eking out as much training as much as physiological adaptations is your body can handle recover from so that you achieve more born on a on a long-term basis you know you can take using the preferment performance manager. Aren't you can project doubt what your CTO will be. Just go ahead and plug in ten hours of zone to training For like twelve weeks. It's GonNa it's GonNa top out at about a C tail seventy like it'll go up initially and then that curve will just flat now and you'll never achieve steve more than like a seven. ATSS during your base phase with that zone to training in other words your body just adapts to it and then there's no further their stimulus. There's nothing else to push. But if you do sweet spot training you're GONNA in the equivalent amount of time achieve a C.. Detail about eighty eighty five or ninety As opposed to just capping out at seventy. And that's what a fatigue dependent training plan design will help you do and then as I mentioned earlier. It's all aerobic training. You know it's all using your oxidative. Pathway it's all the it's the same thing is going on a cellular level at you know at the cardiac physiology level. You're producing the same adaptations Asian. Just doing it in a little bit more forceful way with sweet spot training and so one of the this leads us to one of the final points the biggest caveat too sweet spot training which I referenced earlier and that's you should not do sweet spot training year round and then at some point depending on how much time you have have to prepare for your goal event you know and then you know how high your CTO is. You don't want to use about training and try to drive your cto up to one fifty. That's that's not wise because then you need to look at the specificity of your event. If you're training for Krit that is one hour. You really only need to drive your. In my opinion you see tail up to like between ninety and one fifteen depending on your level on your goals and other lifestyle south actors but if you are training for a lead bill or decay or steamboat. So you do need a huge aerobic engine. Otherwise you're not it can be able to have that endurance to go the distance So yeah you do need a a a a huge huge training leg. But that's not the end all you you do need to at some point colleague. Good in switch from based race. And that's what we've previously podcast about and for the purposes of this podcast. That's the point where you stop base training You completely flip a light switch in you. Switch over to high intensity interval all training and we advocate training high intensity interval training that is specific to the types of power outputs that you will be forced to you do in your events so if you have a flat road race you WANNA work on video to Max Sprint power. If you're GONNA do a like a hilly race ace with climbs in the five minutes range from bottom top you want to do a lot of you know view to Max work three to six minutes most specifically five minute power output you. You know if you're doing a race with a like Hilo or many of these gravel races that have long climbs aid to twenty minutes and linked. You'RE GONNA WANNA work on your threshold power okay and so we had different training plans to meet each of those different race specific demands of the races as you choose and so but the primary point is you want to switch from the sweet spot stoller training over to that high intensity style training meaning and failure to do so. You'll be leaving watts on the table if you just just ride suites by year round guaranteed. You know you're going to get. You'RE GONNA get faster Mr but then you know you're just gonNA probably scrub five to ten percent. Maybe twenty percent. You'RE GONNA leave that on a table by just not doing your high intensity interval training in that's like having a really wide pyramid but not building it building tall at all as opposed to that really you you know narrow pyramid and not having the ability to to build it talk so Nice Wide Pyramid and then do your interval work crying the DOJ do the full gas work. And that's how you build that Nice High High Pyramid achieve your ultimate ultimate performance in. And so why this has come to be described as is sweet spot polarized in this came from Dr Steven siler his polarized up method of training. Where you do allowed zone two and then you do a lot? A lot of high intensity interval training worked at eighty twenty model and. I don't advocate doing that year round just for the record so what we do we do your base before your your are your goal events that sweet spot and then when you get closer to your goal events you switched from Bass Ratio Begin. Your high intensity interval training during that high high-intensity interval training. There is very little if any sweet spot workouts in there on a day-to-day basis. You are getting into. What siler describes his more? That polarized approach where you're going full gas and if you're not going full gas you're either resting or you're going going to be riding easy and so that's the way I raise specific interval. Training plants have been Designed very little sweet spot now when when you get into a race specific plan so six weeks the all important six weeks before these big graces were doing a lot of things at once. So don't made me eat my words there. You'll see four gas intervals. You'll see sweet spot. You'll see a lot of recipes and so that that's different that's a different sprint. Time of the year in a different phase in your training But the WanNa make as you do a lot of sweet spot. Flip the switch based on race a lot of high intensity intensity interval training work very little little sweet spot. Combine the two together. That's when we see your highest power output says when you peak. That's when you go on to have your best race ever so it takes time so lay it all out now and planning out in. That's how you get your fastest that you're capitalizing capitalizing on all the hard work you do now from this big base that we've been talking about and moving on to going on to prepare specifically really what it would it comes back to is building that John Large Foundation now with sweet spot training driving travel up your CTO trying to do higher cto this year than you did last year. Maybe it was either a multitude of factors that are strategies strategies that go into that higher see table one of which is sweet spot training the other which is just more hours of sweet spot training and then the and another one is Training Camp and so when we talk about the sweet spot part three where Putting the final touches of Your your sweet spot training onto your CTO. That's what you do a training camp like a four five six day big large block of training. You take rest week after that come back. You flipped a switch based on race. And then you begin your interval training. That's when you'll be fleeing that's when Tom You'll be very happy with all the training you've done but what we just mentioned. Is that what we advocate is a sweet spot. Polar has to approach coach to performance. And so with that said that is all I have for today. Want to wish you all very happy. A New Year and happy sweet spotting happy switching from Bass to race and don't forget to crown the DOJ. Oh we got a big Two Thousand and twenty plan for you all wanted to get this sweet spot. Pike cast out to you all so you. Can you know what you need to be doing over the next three three to four months twelve to eighteen weeks. I believe next week we are going to be back with podcasting about one of my most popular training tips. It was a train tip. I wrote three years ago called transform your cycling. WHO's basically eight to nine ways in which I changed about my life and things that I did to transform my cycling without sounding cliches that word has been thrown a lot but for you go back and read it and then we are GonNa podcast about it next week? It's basically it could be titled You know there's so much out there. These days it could be titled Nine Ways to get faster and twenty twenty or you know go so read it. You'll see and then we'll talk to you next week. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave his review on itunes subscribe and like do do all that stuff. 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19: The Lionel of Flanders | Part 5: Ghent-Wevelgem

The Cycling Podcast

24:04 min | 1 year ago

19: The Lionel of Flanders | Part 5: Ghent-Wevelgem

"In Flanders fields, the poppies blow between the crosses row on row that Mark our place, and in the sky, the locks still bravely singing fly scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the dead. Short days ago. We lived felt dawn saw sunset glow. Loved and were loved. And now we lie in Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe to you from failing hands. We throw the torch be yours to hold it high. If he break faith with us who die we shall not sleep, though, poppies grow in Flanders fields. Oh. Started the episode there with the reading of the poem in Flanders fields written by the Canadian soldier Joel McCrea and read the by calling Mace and a little bit of the last post, which is played every evening. The memorial Menin gate in IPE any probably heard a little bit of the bagpipes in the background that I'm in Flanders fields one of the sections of the plug streets, which is featuring on the course of GameBoy welcome this afternoon. The race will be parsing by here. And around about an hour's time just across the road. From me is a field which had a sign up that says Christmas truth. This is apparently where the truce on Christmas day nineteen fourteen happened in the British and German soldiers came out with their respective trenches. And play the game of football on the battlefield. And in fact, just in that field. Now, there are people dressed as soldiers reenacting that gave him full. They've got an old style looking football and having kickabout. The flags fluttering. It's very blustery here today. And this is the Pook street section these offroad gravity sections. We wrote a few sections yesterday. And when we were writing we joining in with the game with sports, even we actually came up the hill. Here surprised to learn today that the race is going in the opposite direction. They're gonna come hammering alone here and turn right? And then go downhill. So the sections I think a little bit more dangerous than I had an -ticipant it, but we should see how they how it pans out. A little bit later. I mentioned the first World War being commemorated by we will give them the race. It said opted to subtitle in Flanders fields to commemorate the centenary of the first World War, but partly has to be said for tourism reasons, as well to encourage people who have an interest in the first World War perhaps discovered that their ancestors were part of the conflict to come over and explore the region in a bit more detail. Also in the coast today, there's a memorial to an quantum what the Belgian rider who was riding further won t group. Goo bad team this time last year, we were and unfortunately, he crashed and then was struck by motorbike working in the race and sadly died. So there's a kind of sadness tinging the often, really. Fail to motive that we're in the heart of the western from battlefields of the great war here. Driving around or riding around your PA symmetry off to cemetry with rows of neat white crosses or white headstones. And that really gives you a sense of the scale of the loss of lies that happened here. The dead buried in the field. Those who survived to the true lions flounders. I think just down the road from here that a big memorial being guarded by two stone lines and the line is the symbol of the region. He might be wondering about the two versions of the flag. That's the official flag of the region, which is the Black Lion with red claws on a bright yellow background. But you may also see a plain black line without red claws. And that's a parent's version of Dr by those who would maybe call themselves flange in Flemish separatists. Sometimes you even see the official lion signed with the red close scratched out, and according to a couple of dollars into this week. That's because they don't want the symbol to represent the red black and yellow of Belgium. So here we all the Pook streets. It's interesting that they've adopted the English pasteurization of the village name fluke St. at which is just down the road. It's props because the British told me probably would have called it Luke street in the same way that many code EPA wipers. Anyway, yesterday, Simon and I had a chance to ride around the region. We go involved with the TV sort of interlopers. And we just wanted to find out what the roads of the area were like. Well, the plug streets absolutely terrific fun to ride on conc- even before the race tomorrow. I can see that the sections will be very popular beer. They'll look spectacular particularly very exposed field. And they might well be decisive in a way that we don't quite expect because the come between the two cents of the camel Burks the race will really be on at that point. And just just the bike rider is similar to Ryan. To the tro, bro, Leon sport. Heaves that we wrote lot eight four in Brittany. I'm the those tracks much rougher much more routed these are relatively benign, really, quite smooth. But the real danger will be an untimely puncture. So they introduced an element of luck into proceedings in the latter part of the race. So I'm not rich in the distance. That's pretty much the only hill on the landscape. We only have to talk of that is Ken Moberg ridge. So we'll head towards that. Now, the other rice comes from that takes a right hand turn onto the couple then about guys around left hand turn and then often over the talk. We'll ride it. Now, see how we get one. Quite steep in places. Yeah. It's not quite the Cup Berg, but there were sections that like the company back you'll pointing sign that says eleven percent followed by twenty percent. Twenty percents pretty steel. That's pretty state. Yeah. I'm not kid. Climb anything. It's my Defoe excuse I'm not get. We've come over the top one side of the camel bug and through the trees on the smooth road and the race four left on a pretty narrow path. We're just on the other side of the COPA section looking straight down the hill. Reuters coming up. Paul kim. Wherever Kim sportifs that's on today and this straight stretch here. This is where in two thousand seven the French rod Jimmy casper had a very bad crash. Thundering over the Kobus riders were falling and Jimmy casper landed very heavily on his face. And that from the organizers to stop using the side as a descent and largely that was because on the riders are on face stiff carbon-fiber bikes carbon wheels as well. And that meant on bottles with bouncing out perhaps more than they had done in the past. And it was looking to Kohl's as well as being fast and striked. There's nothing to temp Reuters to slow down really because it just goes straight down to the bottom toward another warm oil. So that accident caused a change of mind, and I'm not surprised ready. A few people have asked what bike on writing this week while I'm on my nearly ten year old time, which it's called and fiber his time VX. Aw. And it's the company L Urus. We will so. Yeah, I'm not sure I wanna tackle a steep couple descent while we might not have any choice. We've gotta get down some way. So what do we know about getting we've well they're seven races today for elite men and women under twenty three's juniors and images. The race was started in nineteen thirty four making it the oldest of the three I've seen this week founded, by textile manufacturer, and the cost has always been characterized by the wind and the camel bird back in the day. It used to head right up to the coast. But these days it's DOC's bit short of that nevertheless stretch known as demurred and near is notoriously windy the climb climate. Actually, I did in nineteen fifty five and today the race will tackle it twice once from each direction. This year. They've added the Pook streaks. And there are some that say is gimmick too far off as listen to the race other than the prospect to punctures going to be interesting to see how it plays out. There have been several three-time winners in the racist history, including Rickman Louis Eddy, Merckx, Mario Cipollini and Tom bone in the seventy eight additions that have been forty Belgian winners giving a home success rate of sixty one point five percent a women's race without eating twenty twelve. But the women were not get the challenge to tackle the plug streets today, which I think is a real shame. A little bit earlier today we stopped in the village of Luke's, which is just down the road and went into a cafe the cafe grown plas on the war was red black and yellow jersey. And it turned out to be the national junior road race champion jersey. One by Frank Vandenbroucke in nineteen ninety two. There was also bronze-medal that he won in the world junior road race championships that year Vandenbroucke hometown. And he was buried in the family plot at a nearby cemetery. When he died in two thousand nine eight thirty four just a decade earlier he'd been at the peak of his powers, although his relationship with not only performance in haunting drugs, but also recreational ones means he's another champion with troubled legacy in nineteen ninety eight he won we're going on the following spring. He dragged Wilfred pitas. Who's now? One of quickstep sports directors all the way to the line Volk and beat him in the sprint a few weeks later, he claimed the steep hills of the Dan with his big chaining liaise based on the age. Interestingly his daughter Cameron born a couple of weeks before that vote win in one thousand nine hundred nine is a promising athlete specializing in the eight hundred meters arriving employees St. it, and realizing that was funding Brooks hometown just just reemphasize to me, the depth and breadth of the cycling culture almost every town villagers got professional cyclist that they can call their own. Anyway, let's hear what one of the current riders thinks of this race. I mean, if you look at the winners and how the racist pond. Our over the years, it's it's different every year. My name's Luke grow. All right. For teams guy. You know, you've seen hundred guys comes the finish. You've seen guys come win it solo on nets quite strongly whether dependent and how the winds blow in and how it's raced sitting you have to be attentive with the wind tours lead this racist split and crosswinds and bodies everywhere. The section the Muren section, which is always exposed open. It's become notoriously famous for splitting the race to bit. So gotta be. Attentive. And then this the first year this year where they thrown in three gravel sections. So bit of a new twist on it. We haven't we haven't raised on these roads before so that our be be interested as well. But I think in general just got to be attentive whole day and these races in these classics and get welcomes no different. You just got to be in the front ready for anything. I'm thinking it's going to be a long hard day and be a worthy winner. Whoever wins it butter. Yeah. Tough day. We haven't been down to look at grabby sections, just because the recons we do we focus more on Ruben Flanders. I mean between races. You know? It's so so busy just empower knees. Just in some remote and straight here. There's only so much time to fit in so many recons. And if you recon every race, he probably wouldn't have any time to race that have been down on video the section, so we can see the videos of them, Google, maps and pictures of you so got a pretty good idea of what to expect. But I haven't actually seen the myself the Calvo both ways. Both have been used over the years and. Both pre tough certainly the. The way we go up for the last time is is the hardest side. It's pretty brutal climate today is one say it's one of the hardest climbs in the whole of Flanders region. Unless Jay last weather decisive movement. Just just just missed out on that. Let's get my teeth burst bike racing. So personally, probably the second one just because it's. The final climb into just pretty selective and pretty brutal climb. So again stuck into that tomorrow type of terrain racing over tomorrow. Obviously, it's every of the field, you passes full of semi trees. And it's just whilst you can't take in. And you can look at it. And appreciate it. It's still you got to pay respect for. For the guys who are buried in field. So yeah, I mean, it's quite it's quite. Just shows how much history there is in the area and in the racist. No different as law history in the race. So while she can't take in, you know, it's still nice to pay respects. And. Yeah. Tip your heart to the guys. I think it's probably eight to nine years ago this weekend. I was riding the wave them sportifs on a very cold. We can win was coming from the north face. Not unlike this weekend famous elfin echelon riding with six or seven local flounder and writers, and I was embarrassed to get a history lesson about a lot of British history from like local Flanders, so kind of piqued my interest. So I'm pulled shaft, I say long term friend of the Polk cast run a company code psychos and classics we run tools out to all the spring classics. And it's writing here in Flanders that really interested in the history of the region, particularly that surrounding the first World War, and I had the opportunity few years later today about to you invest into scratch. Degree in the first World War on it saying I like to introduce a subject to people that come out with us. So people that we meet on the road, and even some of the professional teams of toes of the battlefields to try and understand the reach a lot better. And I watched the significance of wave again adopting this subtitle in Flanders fields coinciding with the hundredth anniversary of the first World War. I think that the motivations probably two fold one is is that the the price of remembrance is still very much ongoing. People now study that family history we are talking a hundred years ago, but people can now. Especially in the UK. And then needless speaking, well people like to track down Sestri. So there's another key motivation is that sort of level of tourism that comes to the region and flan is lifted with with cemeteries and a lot of them are British and Commonwealth cemeteries, and yes, there was a lot of British Commonwealth. So just killed a push 'em pie. So just killed us. They wear them. But the main reason that such as prevalence of bridging KOMO cemetry is because of course, that went repatriated to those countries to Britain to Australia New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, India and the same with the free. French soldiers were largely Patrick's on the Camelback, there's a huge all Serey where the five thousand French troops buried from the what some people call the full bottle of which is it was in spring nineteen eighteen which is when the Germans finally break for the line. But the key to. The region is this usually strategic important it has been for centuries going way back before the festival ball. But if you go back to where your stay in co tree, I think that you know to the battle of the golden Spurs, the original lines of Flanders pushed the French back out of the region, and it's always been because of its geography its importance to the channel ports of Brugere Ostend. It's always been strategically important and probably mistake that the central European Union is in Belgium as well. So it's been seen as this cross rates to the continent. And that was that was true hugely during the first World War. This is whether the Germans tried to execute sleep plan ran their right wing. And this is where it broke down around the town of. The allied forces in nineteen fourteen of which the British were very small part. There were two million French fighting in round in September October nineteen fourteen and only one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty thousand British empire troops held off. The jam is at that point. When you watch the race, you'll see the helicopter cameras that the the race chemistry and goes out in the men in Rhode usually were into the final selection by that stage of the race. You'll go for the men and gate, which has got fifty five thousand names of the missing on it from the you'll be up to see Polycom would just to the side of the the motorway there, which is where the German push in nineteen fourteen was held up and what the trench warfare that. We remember from that battle from that from that conflict started where that will move ended up to that point every huge cavalry movement. It'd be a war of movement. And it was two years later the bottle passion. Dial. Again, ULA seem from from. If you've been watching the rice on TV model so across from Polycom would. The the attempt to break out the allies to breakout breakthrough to German line took place which disastrous results largely because of the weather in the mud. So it's really imbued with history. It's great that Flanders classics adding the suffix to the race in Flanders fields. And. And I think cyclist privileged position this year. Of course, the racist going through the Pook streaks off road sections literally taking the race across Flanders fields. Sometimes I feel a little uncomfortable. When I'm at the camera bag because there's all the fencing up warning you not to stray off the beaten track because they may well, be unexploded shells and all sorts in in in the woods. Sometimes I wonder whether we overdo the imagery of of professional cycling, you know, the the themes of suffering, and and you know, hardship and hard work when racist go into those regions exactly where you know. There was tremendous loss of life and real genuine suffering. It's it's quite a, you know. Not necessarily sort of comfortable bedfellows. What's your feeling on that? And the way certainly we as journalists sometimes use language of war to convey, sporting endeavor. Yeah. I think I agree. You've got to be very, very careful. We love our sport. And what we love about sport is that suffering, and we all know what it's like to be on a climate where conference I trying to hold someone's wheel in front of us. But the to compare today when you see the amount of dead in region. Does bring you up. Sure, you think well this is just the bike race and seven we love and enjoy privileged eleven enjoy. While the racist. Splitting into some groups. Here. Say hit the street. Van Hecker and Loic to all the to ride the front qualify. A chase group and then another small chase group. And then. Well, what looks like the rest of the electron doesn't look huge. Around the corner here onto the dusty road disappearing into a storm gust. Heading downhill pretty far sprinting out the corner onto the gravel and Nostra right hander the bulk of that hail. And it's a loose surface. So it's gonna take a lot cat. We'll get round there. Without somebody's we were skidding from underneath them. Hey comes another group. So the racist really split to this. In the wind. Forming interests of on. Formation here. And it's still quite a long way to go go and do the KOMO again for the second time before heading down to wave for the finish. Well is about it from the law in Florida. I think it's time to head home. Oh, crikey Nimesh between the F D. Orca Scott team cars. Well, yet before I go big, thanks to Tamale imports. Go into that produces to Simon gale off a toga for being such good humid travel companion Jonasson rove. He's a sensual word in the scenes, Liam Laverty intelligent mobile, Mustang, who say the cycling podcast sponsors science four kept my energy levels on riding and Rafeh who sent me a jacket and some bright pink Cova shoes. Call him as read the poem. The open this episode like tools, I think push off though Stephan the owner of the hell a Hoy in col- trick and to everyone else who participated in the series. 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169: The 2020 Tour de France route

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169: The 2020 Tour de France route

"Name cycling with character Rydin Watch with rapper in one thousand nine hundred nine as they partner e F education fast and canyons throb you listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh the fastest clothing in the world tour the come live events to get your tickets and try and get them before we announce our special guests next week for one or two of the shows and the tour coincides with and then with regards to London Cambridge Edinburgh Leicester Manchester that's right that will be me with Lionel Bernie Hello Richard we are joined by Daniel Free Don nearly three Branchini get triumphant homecoming to Belfast and Francois Tommaso and then the next batch of shows which there are two in London great well we're in we're in the south by helicopters last week in skateboards today vinyl jurisdiction on Skateboards in Bristol and we haven't actually confirmed to date are lineup for our shows so for the first week of the shows that's Bristol tickets are still available one 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they're an electrical company I make electrical thing so that solves and yet they're trying to govern bikes with motors y'all so Catholic voters care for Richard I see they were arguing about that where they'd like a few years ago I went to UCI felt the skateboarding succumbing to their four species and remember a colleague of mine joking weather we'll see oh and well where we sutherland completely Lombardi on Saturday and then took a light flight from Milan to Paris and himself down to Charlotte for for the the Star on Sunday what's been hospital as well eighty three years old he's being not feeling his best in Sat July apparently where he works at the tool as well and around New Zealand in the Netherlands now three of the grapes from the Sixties and Seventies Eddy Merckx Raymond Poulidor I'm Roger Best wishes to all of them as a on the road to recovery that's about it from the news roundup other than the big news which is the Tour de France route launch which party we decided the second part the will the par after we did a third of France so we'll talk about bow Komo limits win and while the tactics of the riders in the Chase Nice Awesome Racing Franz Marc Sarah who won the two day last week added Perry Bush and grow one the tax pro classic also known as just last week we were talking about the Grand Prix Bruno beggarly and Rob Taylor rights to say that Bruno Galley is a local businessman based in engaged the entire time instead of riding on this flat road I love it when there's constant undulation constant turning I really thrive in those environments and that's why I really like these I was pretty satisfied with the season prior to this these races I wasn't ecstatic because they didn't have a big win but now I I consider milan-torino big win and Yeah I can the best guys on the day in a one day race and although it wasn't a monument monitoring oh like you look at the field and it was a world to a race option D imagination in the past couple of years Michael Woods one Milano Torino and again Bonello one Grand Piemonte and over here in the final shakeup on Saturday as well particularly just because they come from that background a really high hold the Olympic said on high regard and also the world championships if you look at that astray of who Bruno big Elliott Walls I was racking my brain thinking was a winner of the year right from the very early or something but no he's he's a businessman who sponsors looking ahead to next year what you're already about what you're going to be next year yeah I'm already looking towards next year for sure I think the Olympics is a huge goal for me all of these races there are so dynamic I liked the circuits I like how interesting and intriguing the courses are and for me I'm far better when I in Kabul had spells in hospital Eddy Merckx crashed while riding a bike in Belgium on Sunday and has sustained a head injury and being kept in for Observation Raymond Poulidor morning because you I needed him to reach the minimum five status for the race and being the kind of the old man of the team perhaps I would try and win in a certain way I don't I don't like him back like being aggressive and to one in an aggressive action like that was special for me do you enjoy these races this week very early bid by Chris Room to get one up on Eggen Bono by saying that panels told him already that he can support for the twenty twenty two hundred frowns Whoa victory meant yeah actually talked to Steven Rhonda I think the day before an interview talking about how I've missed some opportunities with wins because I was I I am a really nice way to finish the season I guess he finished with a win on ego to the the winter feeling pretty happy with your season yeah I think finished the season quite content the rest now today even Japan covers if I got a result at those races will be icing on the cake he regarded that as a more more progressive watch with rapper in two thousand nine hundred nineteen as they partner e F education fast and Canyons Throb your thank you very much indeed to our title sponsor Rafeh and will be heard from a man Rafeh just before the break there Michael Woods the F. Education fresh writer who well you Lombardi at didn't go quite so well for them we'll just before we go on that line you mentioned Michael Woods Win Milano Torino we watched that last week and adequate word with him at the start of Il Lombardia just to ask him he looked quite smart today I I thought I was quite impressed with the way that bernal came on stage unquiet elegant remember is a bit too young to be kitted out in this Beige Brown I interested to watch the presentation which doesn't really change it's always in the same place but the way the US the writers and introduced the writers that are I should for Credit Lyonnais Bank sponsors the Yellow Jersey he's of course the grandfather mattis depot and Roger Vlaminck speed in hospital with a fever as well so well 'til changes to that every year and we always look with interested while the writers are wearing white shoes with white trainers with his suits I tell you know he's in his twenty s you didn't need to go with delivering milk try just yet Chris framers smartened up his healy next year every year and they say it's the hardest route ever or you know I it seems to be loss year was highest ever this year earlier than usual the announcement of the Turkey France root for nature is earlier I think I was told by somebody I don't know if this is true or not that one of the reasons might be plunged bow fee which will not go along the dirt road they went along to finish the stage this year but we'll finish the more familiar and finished that we've had four suits be so too big targets for next year are going to be those racist the fastest clothing in the world tour of cycling with character ride annual well HFS impression when you look at the is the more just said on twitter's big even to pock small because I can burn all was still in Europe and this might have been the last chance to to get him I mean the is south we'll talk about that but I'm always and it's not the longest ever quite short stages and the the main talking point is probably the the time-trial at the on the penultimate data just a quality field and the guy that I the guy that was second is all a hundred thirty self to have one finally I level I think is a step up and but he won two as you said they're very pleased indeed to take his first big one day race in Milano Torino the big news today and this week the last few years and that's the main thing that's the only time trial in the race 'em early mountain stages but a lot for the sprinters as well I mean what are your first impression another analyst set forward yeah I think winning at the Volta was was a big accomplishment coming third at the world championships to compliment but I still hadn't eaten frivolously facetiously I would say that people were referred to the tools Vuelta fixation lost and the way that he addressed the crowd and the way carried himself I thought for a twenty two year old of France winner but am he crowd and and got great response but that's not the important business of course writers hire the right is luke the important business is what they will be writing the ee did not pretty well I thought am gave gave a big serve a quite quite quite bow to the we think that ruin bar they relax luke for room and board they I mean Daniel Euro your fashion Easter. What did you make of the writers outfits and I would say that's pretty accurate in the sense that the stages are noticeably shorter than usual order things any one stage above two hundred and then we'll find out again it's pretty much looking at route something could happen almost every day assists and also we've taught law in dishes welter about how difficult to sort of orientate oneself because the winning no noticeable big blocks in a city about the root while he he seemed delighted but you know he'll be happy the cream rises to the top quite quickly they'll be maybe less fighting for sound quite a while you were it was right now I'll be at a stage at finishing all the previous day but sort of turned up experienced day out Sixth Form College I could see where people coming from The Hague had a nutty handkerchief it'll be broken up very quickly probably from the first day there are the hills on the first stage I'm semi on the second stays there some quite big hills think it's harder than the traditional final day of Pyrenees but it also uses a a circuit so they're going to be doing some some lots of niece the end and that could shen among the guys on the flatter stages on the other hand though mentally it might make even more taxing because he's more to pack than big agents more south north it's more it's more Chocolat in pound Chokola cannot reference napalm yeah we do with them for a few years now the root light this would have that kind of effect and in that sense it might suit someone like Tiba Pino who are noticed in his I'm not as a safer Pino who up until well two and a half weeks of the two and a half weeks of this year's towards struggle to really put all weeks together might be a bit of a concern there are days that have to be negotiated a lot of time when a right it's going to have to be away and US interesting from the point of view of writers are being inform for for the whole three weeks and being on it for three weeks I mean do you so at this stage how just hard that second stage is difficult rich are the moments climbs and that might lead to the Peleton settling down being a bit less stress maybe fewer crashes that's at least been the conventional when that was the case in the day you went to meet Jonathan Vaulter and goes right South West it would have been we had a mountain stage already you saw the big guns then injuring Bruyneel Capriccio kind of on the front and you know writing the Really interesting they am it reminds me of the ninety-two starts in San Sebastian Day too eight fitness and not get ill crash coming stuck in some of the way just on the on the only we can I mean it's a it's a flat stage range of mountains mounts sprinkled throughout the race and that is the case in this total Franz the root is going to visit all five of the main Massey two thousand no Corsica oh thirteen yeah when the difference being in two thousand thirteen the race sneeze but I think something will happen as far as general classification is concerned the suddenly skirmishes. I mean it's sort of trajectory three of the early part of the race reminds me a little bit of two thousand nine when started in Corsica the difference being the Monaco sorry I haven't seen him a few pictures few descriptions of them looking was saying they looked they you know suit in France who our parodies Jura trial on the verge knowing that order Pertz it's going to well league really everyone will be looking at st seven to be the The now traditional one to Lavar the the now traditional boring flat stage that dealing Groan awaken win does he back and that's always stuck in my mind but the first week and in fact the whole tool really looks looks to me to be I well if the wind blows that off the Atlantic in that that mean putting Nancy Cordes mischief rather than rather than anything communicate a little boy I can pull off from his twitter Franz Korea well it's not on the trajectory he would like it to be on the fort left and hugged the coast into went to the Perez that way whereas next year it's GonNa turn in London and it's going to head into the Richard Moore mean with multiple objectives and he's coming thinks they might come in with a sprinter on general classification riders might actually think twice about taking this printer upon you mentioned Grown VAGAN JIMBO VIZ mommy is to kind of ruin the last week we think that a team that is I'm again much as was the case is difficult to look at the route and just say right that's G- day that's the day and then we've got five when all we have to do so rest in the bud Eh described as a sage sage one it's quite quite hard but we imagined that would be a a sprinter's day but stage two is how similar is a to a detention it's not there's no real copyright line away stress from day one all the way through that I trusted the difficulty of stages because there aren't many of the climb price falls available and but those two climbs the was the first one is called veep and they're a long way from the finish but they come in stage in them Amoco and as you say sort of traditional looking in quick quick slow again isn't it with the with the mounting broken up by stages that may or may not caused caused difficulty I think the one too ill ticket about humor visa we know that do Milanez is joining them and he he's GonNa be he looked with interest at the route today uh-huh yeah the island to island state the first time I've ever been done and is never been there before I don't believe among equal onstage six and that's all before the race guests appear needs so I mean I think as far as first weeks concerned is probably the most mountainous we've ever seen news on the first Friday of the tour that stats now Hutton. Since records began I think certainly failed to like that anyway off the last two years and then then kind of I think the appeal there's an appeal finish provided as well now on stage five so actually three three pretty tricky days in a row well she is one of the you called me on and the Tarini aw whether peak climbs the longest climbs no not terribly even more mountainous terrain and into the bottom half of the hours and there's a there's a first summit finish it or Sierra mallet on stage four and then another mountaintop finishes they go rogue Mitch of course but they also have Mike Tyson and while Benoit who showed Michigan they can win stages in sprints and they can also actually yeah I'm in the south here that whether it picks pig areas of the southwest power struggle is not as apparently where where are we with fronts replaces stands out to me because it was the place during the one thousand nine hundred nine tour to France Steven Rooks when the mountain time trial and Greg Lemond yellow we do more of a job for general classification rider than Dylan Greenwich and I just wonder whether a ride like that might find his position in stocks in line slightly imperilled on route like this is not so good point but one we probably will not answer to until we see the the roots of the holiday I've traveled a lot of the last year internationally with my bike I took it to my Weiss Chagrin on every holiday I went on and spend a Lotta time cycling Delfi which again SA- familiar road but being time-trial while we've never seen that before so we don't know how what impact that will have weather that will lead to a kind of cagey cautious race because everyone will wait for the time trial at the end or whether it will have the complete opposite effect I mean the moment we are we really are aw returning Lucca Lionel what can you tell us about Lucca. Well Rich Laka is a smarter way of insuring your bike's gear it's a community of cyclists together to play fair and take good care in order to save each other money Lucca cover all the basics you'd expect theft accidental loss and damage both at home and Sese and also the plateau glare which is where well that was on the route when Julian Olof elite one stage a couple of years ago and engine guesswork territory but I like the look of it I like the fact that the first proper mounting stage is not the first you mean you only pay a small share of the communities claim costs and your shares proportionate to how much you ensure yourself locker so while your share can theory go down to NORC pounds if there are no claims in a particular month lack of also knocks in maximum price to ensure that they're not nasty surprises even amongst when they're it connects Mary bound Kercheval doesn't it I've skied there and you know the roads connections aren't weren't great I was interested in this this new climb lots of claims claims are accepted quickly usually within day but don't take our word for it let's hear from one of the Lakers customers who had to make a claim while riding his bike award and it also covers you in sportifs races as long as you're not writing in the pro Peleton they're not going to start insuring the world tour teams instead of charging your fixed isn't it isn't peppered with famous summit finishes really there's a few that a few interesting new onset colder lows will be really interesting set pk the voice of Radio France of course to remind me to tell you that this week's episode is sponsored by lack vote for no apparent reason my cycling computer flew into the air catapulted along and landed on the floor and just smashed into pieces so most pretty distraught mainly actually about I am Philip my customer since April two thousand eighteen I tried to write about one hundred fifty to two hundred kilometres a week I went out on actually what turned out to be the longest a Finnish grown Columbia just before that as well that will be interesting and then the the stage which goes Komeda Rosalyn the cycle I've ever done it was the longest time about halfway through one hundred fifty k. ride the third party mount that I had for my cycling computer ranges from it's the best tour ever to it's the worst tour ever and I it's it's a funny one this icon quite handle on on water ease because friendly so helpful and I just stunned having had other insurance claims in the post which took forever and way you'll must make feel like a criminal saying that pretty high two thousand three hundred meters the final six kilometers are on a basically a car free road say beautiful new tarmac and I am much was made of the found there's only one time trial in the race but it's quite a long time trial I mean everybody again is talking about the the climate there are actually followed up with him on the phone quite sure what to do I had a brilliant experience I can't say how positive and helpful they were and I told them that way cycling pop so we could see quite a racy first week that I don't tightening podcast team car the back of the pack flees we've been interrupted there locker goto lacquer dot code new K. that La dot co dot UK just carrying on with the the root of tour next year needed this there's no Atkinson without cycling computer and so I went to the shop the next day and just border replacement is expensive five hundred ninety quit I think it cost oh fear admittedly with the extra bit tacked on this year it's a tough climb and it's GonNa be hard for us to really know how to judge the effort anthony by the organizers is a gamble because that will be really exciting if the race is still very close and as we saw the point for the sort of sprint stage stuck in between two mountain tests obviously that's something we talked about the way the in recent years seemed the coming as well I think that's something that we haven't really seen in in recent years the one two or she I Malak won't be the first time they go pale won't be that sort of shocked to the he will look at that time trial with some relish the claim as well I think suits him yeah see what you're saying rich but it's not just a longtime trolleys it's also the longest individual time trial in the tourist since twenty sixteen When Tom Damola one longtime trial and I think Michigan Finger offered us a barbecue declined it and went into town and had a very average male declined on the basis that you you believe he must have chopped off his finger Tilla launch the bell fee and thirty six kilometers starting from your favorite town line allure yet the famous barbecue a couple of years ago where the the man I sent him with the receipt I'm a ruse really surprised because the money was back in my account by the time we went to bed that evening and actually I'd send in the receipt I'd also bought a pair socks I think you know rather than I think this is probably as close to the kind of the fantasy medium challenge of except a mountain time trial is appropriate mountain time trial we haven't seen a real pro P- amounting time-trial for how long I'll do Armstrong two thousand a sixty one percent on their bike insurance and that's money that could be spent on a new piece of cake to put towards a training camp or cycling holiday so if you want to find out more about resist and they paid me back for the socks as well as a way of sort of sympathizing with me I guess anyway so it was really positive experience they will these guys were just positive friendly and went out of their way to help me and it was an expensive piece of kit so it would have been a pain on holiday to been short of that money lacquers members the the tool route has sought to kind of unsettled rhythm for riders so they go from riding begin one day smog as the next day climbing and then flat then climbing again that sort of thing that some riders don't respond too well to and it might lead to an interesting final time trial but if the is whether or not the race dislodge is the cork over the three weeks enough that we might get real explosion of fears on that final Saturday or whether the we don't see any bubbles because the court remains firmly lodged in the bottle because the race is done industrial look at that stage nineteen to champagne y'all David in fact it wasn't gonNA record my ride that it was broken but it was a pretty expensive piece of kit so I followed up with lacquer that afternoon I it's a kind of a it's a sort of Alpha League Pino Rue isn't gonNA say start to finish especially with the with the time-trial on lap aces done industrial going into that Friday that's sort of state where everyone feels a slightly deflated don't they I mean we don't know there's there's so much that could happen what year is five for four that's been that's been sort of hill time trials and very difficult time but I won't own appropriate kind of category one ask him the questions on from starts off talking about how he's getting on in his convalescence after his crash earlier this year the Dolphin leary clips from both them reacting to the let's hear from Bernal I M he's asked initially what he thinks of course and then we'll hear from Chris from Saint p the bigger climb we we haven't really seen not for longtime and so that would be that'd be interesting it so it's almost like this sort of the cork in the bottle of champagne the honest I don't remember too much because it was too fast but the funny you I think that will be really hard not typically options within the team you of course the titleholder again Thomas is also fantastic for the team but it's a bit tricky the franchise with Lionel Julian Felipe could we're GonNa hear actually from the defending champion we've got a we've got an amazing lineup mazing lineup amazing roster of writers to to select from so I mean nothing's decided yet I mean for me personally much better thanks very much better on the roads recovery still I've made it back onto the bike in this month which is fantastic will be defend to really really hard the steep climb so yeah we'll see elevations a lot of opportunities release the way I see a lot of opportunities for to for the general vacations play out so should be I've obviously got to get myself back to that level before even discussing leadership or anything like that but at least for now everything's headed in the right direction and so we're really fit familiar with Rodney's fantastic fantastic for us and and the team suddenly looking forward to being the steep so I would be like a little bit different but yeah I really like I think that the people also like because it's just GonNa be I mean we haven't seen anything like that for decades and you'll be home at the beginning that cell so yeah I mean starting on roads in the winner of this year's difference Bernal and Chris from both the presentation in Paris today Francois Tommaso was there and he sent us a couple of key at the root presentation today in Paris Big Day for the Francais because our road trip is released during this year's tour of who will lead the team although the humping stories already in this will be a recurring theme over the next few months but who will lead the team I mean Bernal Coats without the trump team come try ya'll and we just want them triathlon and they finally in in in appeal food we have these these kinds of sages like I say fall every like the the the Coles eighteen we recorded bits and pieces as we went from our live show in Brussels all the way through to Paris various meandering off piste conversations insight comes off hopefully things will start to improve foster already focused on that cost just discovered that action isn't it so yeah a lot to a lot to prove before he even gets back into racing really well Lionel as well as fronts route one word about Lakers sham it goes back to Paris next year there was nisqually comeback isn't it to be off out of competition safe room comes back in February or March that that's all three quarters of a year preparing our meat and you you weren't prepared to barbecued finger and so we must stay on that but starting to lure finish the bell fee and it's a gamble is eh will give a lot of emotions with the steep climbs on with a tax so I think that they will be for the for the people are here McLean is that that that cost next year's brutal it's it's probably the hottest thereto seen in the last five six years a lot of climbing you mean Francoist Tommaso traveling with Daniel sadly of course but we recorded a lot of material and it's a two-part friends special is being really Ludvig was there she actually has just as an she's writing for F- TJ next year she's moving from Bigler to FDA but asked him about this as well when I met him AC- we're going to hear from him again a little bit later in the episode and but that's for a on TV you'll hear later on and Bernal it's still a little bit shakey on my on my feet but heading heading in the right direction I've still got to play to my hip that I need to get removed soon sure that they are looking to south a standalone stage race for women time of year where it doesn't clash with the front so we wait news on that and I think that people off I mean or maybe it will entice people listen I'm but we talk about lots of other things it all kind of related to experience of covering the Tour de France and traveling as clearly in pole position than from we'll have to prove he is capable of writing the level again won't a while yeah and I completely understand if I actually I won't ready to unveil anything at the moment but it does feel as you say that would be a far more exciting development than we'll ever they do of course because it's always going to be quite limited impatience about these plans my favorite product or sign spot is a the caffeine yet thank you very much indeed to science and sport for supporting the site clean L. Gruza is just listen to that it's great it's great let's just before we stop talking about the round from signed what's I guess kind of like eavesdropping on us in the Puck Kostenko and around the dinner table you're you know waiver optimistic Egging Bernal the winner of this year's tour I'm Chris from four time winner of the tour and from not being drawn there on the question Austin supported by science in Sport Science and sport fueled by science number now right for Tim Yours Yeah it's a it's a shame let's not let's not prejudge let's wait and see what gets announced in the next next few months hopefully last year that was won by gluten to grow and Bruno m the that was fantastic the editions have been held on the Sean so these are basically critique support product and you can get twenty five percents off your scientists sport products fear South scientists dot com with the code SIS CPI podcast and we heard there from none other than defending the fronts champion and winner this year Egg Bernal telling us his favourite wonderful and there's another impression at all I can't remember who else the forgotten Louis listeners discover dicey as Adam boxes you know Bernal Glitch Valverde they wouldn't have been able to get away in the way of the Mama you know he used his underdog status too you're you're you're a very humble man Lionel Amazon you don't want the big up your your ability to impersonate and your Ali style impression is is one of the not very not not really fancied writers sneaking away and all the favorites Luca each other and to chase him back and these writers whose one coil in situations like he's pretty good when he gets away even if he looks ragged he's pretty effective and it was a classic case of twenty five is sis see twenty-five scientists poured com- if like Egg Bernal you on to stock up on caffeine jails and now the Get out in front and see whether anyone chased knowing that if people bridge up to him he might still have a second by the Cherry but he won the going back to Paris I think is is is a backward step because of course when they've taken a while to pull this year in particular but also the the stage is to coincide with the the twenty twenty route yes well not a lot of cycling chat in very realistic I don't really exciting exciting tour and then oversee with sting in the tail on on stage twenty with a time trial thirty six time trial finishing up left monster bed fees if that's what valverde thinking they basically they basically wasted valuable energy accrue time in the race it was the obvious thing for me to do Erin really it was a hesitation and the the the the the light reaction from Primoz Rogue Lich because they feed gone why even fifteen as we can receive Lombardia on Saturday paratrooper also on Sunday brought the curtain down on the European road season I was at the start of Il Lombardia this guys probably not the strongest guy in this race the fastest up and he's he's playing his his hand absolutely brilliantly and the others are kinda throwing away the big knowledged he had the strongest team but you had the strongest team up until the moment the very moment when he's lost mystique pulled off and think some interviews including with Bernal and we'll hear a little bit from him again in a moment but I couldn't go to the finish in coamo enforcing come on away so therefore rogue which was he was the man who is going to have to do that if if attacked an attack did go and by was not the star of Lombardia and and I was able to watch the race is well and it was a fascinating finale really wasn't it because Bama one of the to get away and then once he was away he really took advantage of the the hesitation and the games were being played behind so it's really fascinating because you thinking he'd be surrounded by lots of single writers who didn't have teammates but we're not going to help with any chasing someone like Mama plot point immediately became a very dangerous situation for him became almost an emergency because all of a sudden surly or he might have had more of a chance of

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Ali Wong, Keegan-Michael Key

Ellen on the Go

34:16 min | 1 year ago

Ali Wong, Keegan-Michael Key

"It's Ellen Degeneres welcome to my podcast we're GONNA listen to some of the best moments from the show and it's GonNa be hosted by four executive producers that I love hi Fi Keegan Michael key read green eggs and ham as Barack Obama and four year old dancer Zaza teaches twitch how to model walk allender together and that's a big operation because you have a lot of celebrities and they're doing a lot of shows and and sort of scheduling everything in home where there was a chance he was going to be evacuated today due to the fires thank God she's Okay but she unfortunately is not here for today's podcast evacuated no but almost New York City agreement their New York what were you doing there I was an assistant to a developing executive okay got it not nice to me okay and I yeah and I had whatever you tell me to do a lot of delegating a lot of delegating amazing charge of every celebrity that you see on our show he does the scheduling he books them he can gain prior to this I was working at Miramax okay when I know I don't know for those who don't tell the Weinstein Harvey and Bob Weinstein and I completely signed he'd get his people's Choice Award for the podcast is I would not grab the emmys or the kids I would say I gotta get to work an email from Daniel the award as we know we're look we are we are multiple we are blessed to be a worn owners emmy win listen all our success in all our awards we have a very exciting guest today well first of all let's speak to Mary Connolly's not here as we tape this she is they have a heart you bastard was evacuated he grabbed his enemies and then go that's right the kids are home I'm andy lasts ner I'm Kevin leaving the second I I'm Ed Glavin and welcome to Ellen on the go was not evacuated and non at work I just WanNa know at this point is young daughters at three am to pack a bag here is he's been with us since the very first show started as an assistant I was twenty three it's mine I what is senior talent executive does And so I had intern for the booker the morning show there and she had on her Baltimore don't forget us she had a cutout from COSMO magazine it was convinces them when they convince he handles that entire depart my yellow cancelled comes to us and says these people are available he then put award-winning Ellen on the go I can't say it enough people's choice winner podcast I can't say it enough we still haven't seen the award and there's literally no proof where is the award except for jobs for women in the city was a booker at the time who booked David Letterman and so I was like that's a real job and so then I was working at Miramax and I had to leave she was looking for an assistant and I had to get out of Miramax and I took the job and I thought maybe I was a little overqualified I thought maybe I would quit shortly after taking the job and hum to tell me that a truck driver a driver a teamster driver on our lot took his giant box truck have the more I want I guess I hate myself a little bit I'm sure no that's why it's you don't WanNa be left alone with your dark thoughts nurse yes the you know they give you one emmy yeah and then the rest of the qualified people eligible pizza sixteen I'll believe it when I about the show every day and I one day forgot to hit the garage door button because it was just tired and wakes up that early at the time was just drilled right into all right in the car karen thanks is correct but let's talk about what is exciting we have a very special guest today one of our co executive producers and our senior talent executive Corey Ah yeah and then it was very early on that I realized that I was passionate about it Lori was amazing and I didn't know you all very well but he was very nobody is immune to flu season when it comes to the flu the best thing you can do for your health is get a flu shot a flu shot can help reduce flu illnesses doctor's visits missed work and school and prevent flu related hospitalizations so this flu season be a flu fighter with the flu shot from Walgreens it's your Steve and I had sent out an email saying I was interested in booking and then Lori black men who was the guest cast yes she was a guest on one of the last episodes our entire digital platform he's a big news the busiest person in the office piles person. There's something awful about it that I the more you ask me celebrities and then also answer that was trying to help no I appreciate it but how did you learn how did you come to us here at the Ellen Degeneres show I was work you work in Caucus New Jersey yes wondered was generally right near where you and I did the Morton Downey jr gas work in Secaucus swamps why would get up at six in the morning to get to the okay and I did a little workout and I had gotten myself together and gotten everybody had come into the office we were looking at the board trying to figure out our weeks and people have had to cancel due to the fires ability restrictions apply I use to have a very secure job here because I knew up like a like a like a can opener yes in the side of that's all I can scrape on my car which is parked right by Ed's could then get blamed on tonight when you're working out and eating right you start to feel kind of invincible but then October rolls around and you reminded that tackle tackle Kimmel like you did some some some big scare so then I don't remember who the first person to pitch it but they decided to a box scare in between Ellen and the guests and said instead and I'm too fat to fit in there they didn't say they they said they did boxes tight not protect you and the ones you love just stop into your neighborhood walgreens no appointment is needed and it's free to you with most insurance subject to avoid sportive and then you move me out here after one am and and he's not just but he's booked primetime shows for us he's booked the Ellen show all these years Russ he helps to run Alan Joyce crazy corey pound has not been on this podcast already he was saying the same thing right for the past scared on the show with me because that's when I made Ellen Watch paranormal activity yes and I told her I hadn't seen and do you wanna tell everybody what happened this morning we're sitting here in the nine o'clock this morning and I got here at around seven twenty two and you're a little big Kevin so literally GonNa take my diet pills right now they said the boxes site and you've outgrown all the costumes and backed it into my trodden which was just sitting peacefully in its parking spot and just as as as our our audio producer here Modo said he just he just opened the I worked for they located in Secaucus they were I remember they were cast from the top of the Empire State Building that's what they said they were I remember being there the same interaction benefit from I wonder if he hit might also be obviously could be much worse but one way to start the day most geiger I wrote me into one I was the guy that would do the scares I would tiptoe out signature socks yes runaway tiptoed yes it was in my office line which you know that's happened once was the one time and she said I'd like for you to over much movie at my house so and then of course I get there and how much better looking for television Corey Palette has replaced be doing the best scares on television fact is that the first person ever to be has impressed me among many things that impressed me about corey is he is genuinely an entertainment savant movie she does not want to I mean we're seventeen years in the and she does not if she can avoid it she doesn't want a guest to think that she didn't care enough to watch the project coming here to promote so she tries to watch everything and let's be honest half of it not great no but ellen because she consumes an immense amount of TV movie of entertainment and she does a lot of it. Because I believe and so I had put out a feeler I'd worked a radio station in your calls you one hundred the pop station Yeah Yeah for all you need to New York I worked for the morning show it's insane you can't name a TV show I will literally come in and go my kids showed me this thing on youtube it's only a streaming show and Corey say oh yeah no no no I know I only saw four episode and I said it was one of the scariest movies everyone's freaking out about this movie you're going to just lose it if you watch it and so then I remember she called me I gave her the dvd she was very excited she called me nothing I was like Oh my God I'm so fired and then you did a monologue about me the next day which he did not know what's going to happen and they called out and then someone like dresses agree did you want red wine and all I can think about is walking with red wine and that's something I've got my whole life is flashing before we watched the movie it was silence no reaction lover desperately she doesn't have kids so that's what she loves to do is is hang with their animals and watch things and when she recommends something like that's eight parts long she doesn't understand the next day I she expects you to watch it immediately to watch it stop watch it and I watched it and I got so sucked in yeah I watched the entire series in a week it was brilliant it was Russell Crowe as Roger. 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seven nine one four five four to say because she's truly just that night she's so happy to be here she loves ellen she loves everyone here she's just a really good and like our show that airs today Tuesday go watch it it's an I wanNA watch it because to be heart you know Fox News scares me yeah and finally she was after and then we had her back and we had our back this year she's just she just money and she's she's the nicest yes she is I like when people the workaholic is exactly this is yeah Corey's car is here before Somewhere where Eddie Murphy Oh my God right yeah so when Dave Chapelle comes to town every once in a while he does these secret pop up shows be listening on today's episode of Ellen on the go one of our favorite Comedians Alley Wong is here and she tells us a hilarious story about bombing on stage in front of Eddy Merckx in every day and here well into the night we sort of all he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't scrape and your says ident Oh and she's she's Asian Asian 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maybe like an hour before the show goes on and these really like secret special shows on and she's proud proud that she she says she didn't bring a big enough bag last time she couldn't get him on here's a look of Allie Long Ellen new performed fish I don't discount a goldfish and she she just basically steals them all puts them in a bag and take some home I love it so much and so so we called her it's actually the when people ask what guess aren't Nice that's when you're really but when people ask who you love who is nice she's someone that I get excited that's not ever views so you might you if you're listening to this podcast are you know who alley wall is but in the event that you don't she's a stand up any just like we had to have her and we finally got her on the show last year I think yes she was on the show for the first time last year and filed in just three tenths just zeal snacks and it's not like our snacks are not high end we don't even favor night it's like the corey pal 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2019 Colorado Classic Stage 3

THEMOVE

30:57 min | 1 year ago

2019 Colorado Classic Stage 3

"But khloe has this mentality where she wants. I mean it's truly an immersion eddy merckx zine mentality. She's she's. She is the cannibal which was was his nickname back in the day. She wants all she wants. All the jerseys. She has all four jerseys. The leader's jersey young rider's jersey easy mountain jersey sprinters and so she was she was going for the mountain jersey today and she looked back and she had a gap and she was like i sit up <unk> get on the radio mari holden her director said no go. It looked really aggressive from yellow jersey standpoint but if you think about it from a team tactics damn point trying to you know the team is trying to win the stage jennifer valente textbook. It was perfect all right. Everybody welcome back to the movie podcast brought to you by patrol tequila. We're talking about stage three of the colorado classic golden to golden sixty three miles seven laps. I believe and you know. I keep thinking talking about this song j. b. that i am. I can't place it but i have the song like its but tweaked the lyrics a little bit. Y'all forgive me. Oh oh now yep thursday. Is it friday. Is this saturday. No no no no no. No no. What song is that. I have no idea what you're talking about and that's listen again. Today is friday is it's add a no no no no no china and it keeps going like that and it's talking about days of the week. Anyways my point is that hello thursday friday saturday. It just hasn't mattered to khloe louis diet. I mean i it's i said yesterday like when you're on your on i i you know for those listeners who don't know some may know i'm i'm. I'm a deputized <hes> sheriff <hes> deputy sheriff here in pitkin county which is the county that surrounds aspen <hes> and i put out an all points bulletin okay and he put that out and i and i put it out because <hes> <hes> i'm looking for chloe tigers chain okay. She clearly does not have a chain right. I mean back in the day. I would joe georgia and i would joke be having a good day. I'd say i'd say george. Look look look back directly. I don't wanna look back is is there a drive a chain on the bike today. Uh-huh does not have a chain and she is la thrown a- again today right has to be so impressive gave us phenomenal. I was blown away in in just putting the hammer down and just sending a message when <hes> in my opinion the deal was done yep in i before we get into that because i do have a little bit of color on on what show are twenty. Twenty was what what was thinking as i was just just a minute ago was on the phone with nikola who have been calling nick nikola kramer. I'm such an idiot. It's kranjcar. I've been saying kramer talk with even the stateside names well. She's british but <hes> but she she sent me. An email looks like they misspelt like it's. I'm like no you idiot. That's the way she spells her name and that's in. It's not kramer mer. It's cranmer. I'm sorry i anyway so i talked to nikola and she was <hes> actually at the time with mari holden and so i got a little bit of background and color and texture on just l. everybody in on who these players are sorry well so so nikola is the basically basically owns the team as the general manager of the team are holden is the director of the team. You know the the johann the coach the director sport teeth of the team in her own right was an amazing cyclists us olympic medalist world champion incredible ryder <hes> but before we get into all that stuff but we got we got a little bit of business and and the i did a business <hes> <hes> i think you have something to add which i thought was really cool and a great point but a today show is brought to you by <hes> amp human <hes> full disclosure us over next ventures <unk> are in investors in amp <hes> we believe in the product and the people <hes> and and and the passion that much that we that we've we have invested there <hes> as when when the p._r. Lotion which is their first initial product came to me came to me from from nascar champ <hes> jimmy johnson i was i was sort of i was. I was a non believer. I'm a non believer in a lot of things but i was a non believer in this <hes> the sodium bicarbonate cream which buffers buffers lactic acid which is the the ultimate enemy for all endurance athletes all athletes. I said this can't possibly work started testing and i was like i've actually felt pretty good today and then you take a couple of days off and then a couple of days on and it just everybody i've i've sent the product to everybody. I've talked to the product about says says the same thing. They didn't believe it but it works and actually take nikola. She told us the other day a lot of the girls shit. I did it again a lot of the ladies eighties on on their team or using it both teams in the super bowl used both teams in the stanley cup <hes> some of the best marathon times in the world lada riders <hes> boys in the tour de france used <hes> it actually it. Just i'm telling you it works for our listeners. Twenty percents off go to amp human dot dot com and the and the discount code is moved twenty moved to zero and you brought up a good point on this j._v. when just when we were lifted before we we started recording about a massage or yeah yeah. I you know i've been i've been using <hes> amp a cream in it's been amazing and and if you haven't seen me in awhile i've i've leaned out because i'm back on the bike and so i've been using it in the main thing i feel is like i just i feel bad. I feel like i've had a massage like my legs. Just don't ache like they were and my wife surprise me got me a massage yesterday day and it was this kiwi woman and great athlete you could just like just ripped and we started talking about that and she was like and she he said something. You said before she goes yeah we used to try drinking sobe sodium bicarbonate yep to get this effect and without the results right that you you know the these kinds of results and i was like oh my god if if you know if massage therapists were using this on their clients. They're gonna go of nuts right now. Incredible just in crap but i mean for me. It's more of a recovery feeling than a performance. It's with both it's both and that's what people that's the two main comments we get. <hes> look <hes> the team over an amputee and they're not don. I mean they have this this technology. They have these patents for transdermal absorption. <hes> it doesn't stop a sodium bicarbonate and i know we're going on and on and on it's like the longest podcast at read of all time but <hes> the there's endless possibilities and that's what we love so much. We being us at next ventures. That's what we love so much about about this team and the technology and so <hes> but before i get onto our our second grade were by the way you sound leaner. Look y'all hear that see that laughed at the leaner laugh than the tour no. Maybe i'll go with it. Why don't you just told us you were later but <hes> it's probably it's about fucking two million degrees in austin because they're the only thing you can do get leaner but <hes> today show is also brought to you by the feed nine. Let me tell you about and we are not. We are not investors there but this is one of those ones. You're like okay a wide. I invent this be. Why am i not an investor. I mean this makes so much sense right. Whether you're a a male our female bike racer at the highest level or any level and you're going through the feed zone you grab your feedback otherwise known to us as a muzak. There's all kinds of stuff in there. You got your couple bottles. <hes> some gelson choose whatever i mean you can have guys and gals just just curate the stuff on their own. When the old days you know people would just go to the store and they stick with one brand and you know they couldn't they couldn't cure eight essentially their own music bag until the feed came along and <hes> <hes> hundreds of different skews hundreds of different products. Go onto the feed dot com and and just pick what you want. Pick your favorite drink. Pick your favorite bar or have an assortment. You can can do whatever you want. They've got a bunch of a lot of great britain as i said hundreds of brands some of our favorites they've got power. Dot the anchorman got honey stinger <hes> we we have a us here at the move have have made our own. This is the stuff that we're working with right now and testing and really enjoying <hes>. 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Why wouldn't you and so just play around with certain things until you get to a place where you solve the problem and i think that's actually one of the cool things they do but if you want feedback it's go to the feed dot com slash the move for twenty five percent off and <hes> yeah awesome. Thanks for the sport all right back back to stage three <hes> of the colorado class man. We talk a lot. We just kind of <hes> so it is as i mentioned this yesterday said just a second ago. Just when you're on i mean it's one of these things that that khloe dig- irt. I've been there by crisis in my day but but there's only a few periods where you're like this where you just it's almost in. This is gonna sound silly but it's true. It's like if she if if the race finishes tomorrow and on monday somebody wants to play one on one. You're like okay. I'll play you one on one like you. Can my point is you can never play basketball. You can do anything like you're just riding that way and she's i mean it was to watch watch <hes> look at she was. She's such a competitor. I talked to nikola just while ago her her general manager in she has this this anna hansen coming through. I honey but khloe has this mentality where she wants. I mean it's truly a a merck accion eddie murphy in mentality. She's she is the hannibal right which was was his nickname back in the day. She wants it all. She want all the jerseys jerseys. She has all four jerseys. The leaders jersey young rider's jersey mountain jersey sprinters and so she was she was going for the mountain jersey today and she looked back and she had a gap and she was like gosh. I sit up get on the radio mari holden her director said no go go now just go and the thought there according to them what they told me was that if she because at that point yet ten seconds and then it came up to you know keep climbing up and then they started start to bring it back up to thirty five thirty five seconds and their thought was that by having her out there all of the other teams you know they were today they were writing for for their sprinter <hes> <hes> crap <hes> jennifer valenti and and so having khloe out there. They just freed up their team team to not work so all these are the teams had to work. Jennifer valenti basically got a fruit free ride. She was just sitting. I mean it was it. It looked really aggressive from a yellow l. jersey standpoint but if you think about it from a team tactic standpoint trying to you know the team is trying to win the stage for jennifer linda. It was textbook. It was perfect so you know hats off demari for for <hes> for thinking about it and and it it it it worked. It was one of the things you watch on t._v. You're like okay. Wow that's been mind that that that kua wham was ten k. from the finish a little more it was eight miles from the finish and just held off the whole palatine the hallway it was remarkable canyon schramm tracing behind and and obviously khloe was getting updates on race radio that you know they were at four riders chasing her and then three and they just kept losing gals and then they were basically down to one rider and then at that point just just one on one time traveling <hes> the other thing. I thought was in watching on t._v. And in i was really impressed and hats off to golden i was i was really impressed with the crowds. Those were i watched it quite a bit of bike racing and then stuffed her california <hes> the colorado's auto race that we had here for many years ago and i put that crowd up against those crowds i was i was i was impressed and i was. I was thrilled to see that within that goes back to what we were talking about on the first show you the crowds show up. There's the live coverage. There's there's then then comes the necessary things that the sponsors will see that they're going to see that the streets were lined in golden colorado and they're gonna see the livestream was a success and it's all a piece of the puzzle unfortunately will take time but it's a step in the right direction. Yeah no. There's there's there's no doubt and then from there you take all the other metrics that that sponsors look at and events have to show and present <hes> in an impact reach social media reach etc etc and those are all <hes>. I will also say the race itself on their twitter. Feed is doing a really good job of updating waiting if you if you haven't if we're able to watch it and and you can't find it or can't just can't find where it's located their twitter feed is is this update is literally every mile <hes> giving us updates on on what's going on so a lot of the dialogue on the coverage ridge and then <hes> we will follow suit because it's important people are starting to get excited about the olympics in khloe dagger yeah yeah she's i said yesterday and i believe it i think she's going to be i think she's going to be one of the real stories leading up to the games and this is what as an athlete this is what you want you want. Don't you want the n._b._c.'s of the world because n._b._c. is sitting around going right now. They're they're. They're going on. We have to make we're going to know we don't have to. We are going to certifiably make ten superstars. We're gonna take a gymnast. We already have a superstar there. We're we're gonna make swimming superstar. Were we're gonna make you know so. They're sitting back going who who's compelling here. Whose story do we do. We think is interesting. Do we think is interesting and we think think that the american public will think interesting right so if you're khloe in her the people around her. You're you're wanting <hes>. You're wanting n._b._c. to be going all right this girl. She's <hes> she's pretty. She's got a great personality. She's smart. She's she's got her feet underground on. She's obviously an amazing athlete like we're going to. We're about to blow her world up and that's that's what you want right and and it'll be fun to see. I mean let's food. They don't give out the medals before they actually say. You're markets that go but i don't know man. It gives us all something to look forward to. As you know one of the goals here the move is to to grow the sport and understanding of it and you know you shared your story of why you went to cycling it was it was is the olympics that was your your target right in thinking about that with women cycling. Is it getting bigger than that. Well you don't have to france right but the olympics for most cyclist. If your immense road professional the tour is the biggest thing but there are there's twenty different sectors out there <hes> that they don't get to do the tour right if you're say you're or a match brenner. You're a male match from austria will the tour de tour doesn't matter you. That's what you watch on t._v. The most important thing is the olympic games ironically the least important thing for the guys in the tour de. France is the olympic games which is why i say that. I don't think that i don't think there should be there. I think that should be for anyways. I won't go down that rabbit hole. I that's another another day yeah. That's another day <hes> hey the the in the middle of a loved one type of this just because we spoke about <hes> the fifty two year old egg patel at the beginning on stage one but <hes> <hes> there was a break of three they went down to two and our girl was in their our lady was in there edwige she she she showed owning all of us. I love cheese what she damn computer scientist or something and france yeah. She's in the break with whitney alson i i. I think that's so cool so that frees up a couple more years for you to come out retirement again. Who that's the other thing i found <hes> i liked is that they don't have the most aggressive rider jersey they call it. The the most bad ass ryder that's irreverend trying some the difference with this crowd sourcing to the head again today <hes> but then was just whatever don't give them a red number. Don't give them a most aggressive ryder. Just they're the most bad ass writer. That's literally what they call it. I'm looking. I'm looking at this. I know you. I know you touched on it but jenner g._c. <music> khloe dagger yup kwena the mountains khloe dire sprint leader khloe dyke best young rider khloe it. It's just amazing. Is it thursday. Is it friday. Is it saturday. No no no no no no no one of the listeners. Please don't pull up your zam because it's not gonna recognize my shitty voice but with somebody tell me what song i swear. It's in my head when i think about the ride that chloe's having seriously. I don't know if you go from the music business that that's that's my wheelhouse. I should know that dinner didn't didn't dim. You don't know that song. I'd come on man. I and i can't think of it either but i know it's a real song. The only classification that khloe doesn't have and team show on twenty twenty doesn't have is team. Classification canyons ram is is up about six minutes on onshore twenty twenty but that's it and you know that this is this actually brings us to an interesting point because you're the rest of the field right the other teams the other sponsors the other team the managers the everybody. You're going all right. Tomorrow's the last day is our last chance but also like you know. We may love chloe but this this shit has got to stop like they. They all have to be going. We have to do something. We have to be a part of this race and i'm not i'm. I'm not saying that in a negative way but they must be going will yo. We're we're. Where's our bread comes. I hope i hope what you're saying right now. Compels people bowl to tune in to stage for the last day in just see what they are going to do about chloe <unk> like this is something you should be watching and you can catch a live stream at colorado classic dot com yeah yeah and and look i mean if we're if we were in the predicting game which we're not for this particular race i mean i i don't think now i mean he's one of those things where you can't pick her again but at the same time when she's on that wave and you know shit if somebody wants to arm wrestle tonight. They're gonna lose tiddlywinks. You're gonna lose <hes> <hes> monopoly. You're gonna lose like you just that good. You just cannot lose so but tomorrow looks to be obviously the flattest of of all the four stages and then here look at sets up for for jennifer valente so the the the other teams are we may have a new stage winner but then the other teams go are we. We came came out of here with with squadron. I mean it. It's right squad which squad which isn't thursday birthday is is. Is it sunday so well. Anyhow are a a sincere est. Recommendation is to tune in and catch this last stage because it's a it's a story of a great athlete that you need to win us at twenty in two years old with already. I mean already under her belt career worth boasting about for the rest of your life. She's seven time world champion. She's she's an olympic silver medalist. I mean people like all right seeing those undone but <hes> one other thing i will say that nikola told me are shared with me in our conversation was that when when the break of three was up there they wanted that break to to succeed they weren't they did not chase down right. They have the jersey z. It's their responsibility to carry the race. They team show twenty twenty did not chase that group down hans berman and fearless fem chase this down the break of two teams that have a bunch of great sprinters <hes>. They brought back the breakaway so they were you know. Nikola and marin and chloe were like let's go. We don't let somebody else win and it just that's. That's the beauty a bike racing like it. If if you have a hundred people there and you know ten or twelve gourmet teams they all have interest in in. It's just a it's a living organism that you just can't you can't predict you can't control and <hes> in sometimes it it just lines up which is obviously did today looks it probably looks <hes> really calculated and maybe even a little over the top but but it just you you know they brought the those. Do teams brought the break back. Khloe did want the the kio him jersey. She got the i like it. All just dominoes fell and we saw this exceptional national ride and you got to just sit back and go all right well. That was bad ass. I think i love i love i. I love it. When somebody just kicks everybody's ass i do. I do. I really do i really do. I don't whatever whatever okay we had made their race today. It's the story right. Yes fantastic yeah so tomorrow will be exciting. It'll be exciting because i do think i think that that and i don't i don't know i don't know how much how the women's men's race. There'd be a bunch of just convert offline conversations between between the there'd be all these alliances set up. Try to stop the khloe training all these things and i. I don't know enough about women's cycling to know how that works but you just gotta think that they're they're highly motivated to to get their name on the board so all right well. Thanks for tuning in. You got anything else j. be now. I was just gonna say <hes> did the show with yawn today johan and i talking about while to stage one which already had its it's drama with <hes> primus rogue lich and his team today <hes> eating that either that one will be out i like you. You may have already take a listen to it. In this feed it's going to be followed by the spanish speaking version of the move for the vuelta with johan bruyneel and and victor hugo pena that'll be rolling out after this yep yep and just briefly on that i mean i think and we heard johan and victor yesterday both pick nick <hes>. We lost fifty seconds five zero on day one and not to mention. We talk about it a lot when you hit the deck. It's it's so it isn't just the time you lost. It's it's that it's the tail on that in the collateral damage and just what that does this story of. Why do they hit the deck. There is pretty interesting. It's worth giving a listen to and men. Johann has his ear to the ground. He's calling people. He's gone what happened. He's he's getting reports from the roadside and <hes> you know he knows the scoop on on what caused things like that before anybody nobody else. It's pretty remarkable cool. We'll check that out and <hes> jabe. Thanks for <hes>. Thanks for working on the weekend man. You sound lean. You sounded lane in mean an eyesore. Aaron must be happy just like spooning up. She's like oh my man's coming back. You know i can fluctuate fluctuate. Thirty pounds in doesn't seem to affect that i don't now you're like l. C. j. your thing with l._b._j. Where he was ordering in this is for the listener like if you're not even if you're bored but you wanna laugh your ass off like like fall on the ground cry roll around laugh. <hes> just look up on youtube <hes> president l._b._j. Ordering slacks up from hangers hager slacks out of dallas and and it is in it's like you know they release all these presidential recordings and it's just attach it to the end of this after the music fades. It's house at oh yeah. It's a treat and could you. Just give me a little little more linked in the pockets. You know a lot of times i sit down and my my change in my pocket. Nive comes out for my money fallout yeah and and gimme gimme a lot blue and khaki like the like the like you know khaki about like a pretty girls face a give me a little more a little more linked in the crotch. Sometimes sometimes feel like i'm riding a wire fence. I mean you can't make it up. It is it is a variant a guys like the mr president the senate he was white house click and hang gloom in the hangs up phone fucking figure out where the white house says white house. I mean you have to listen all right. That'd be fun. That'd be a fun weekend activity. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Thanks jaydee thank you ms tiger hager's. <hes> joel are your father. The one that makes a close third. We're all together. We all made me some real lightweight and slacks <hes> <hes> he just made up on his own symptom three or four months ago. It's a kind of light brown and a light green rather soft green and soft brown. Now i need about six pairs for some aware can eat about six pairs for around founded the evening when i come in from work and i can send you a pair of large in the waist than they were before except two or three bring inches of stuff limped back in so i take them up are very ten. Fifteen pounds a month all right so leave me at least half asked very interested in the background. Take them up and thought it makes the age bigger waste make the pockets at least h longer money off my money ornie maniaci everything that we just you know now another thing that crutch down orient nuts hang. There's always a little too tight so you make them up. Give me a eight out there <hes> because it cut me like riding a wire offense these are almost he's the best i've had anywhere in the united states but <hes> <hes> when i gain a little weight. They cut me onto their so leave. Leave me <hes> you never do have much margin but see if you can't leave me about an age from the where the separate and <hes> round under for my back to my bunghole glinted out there if i need to be sure you got the best represent them. These are good that i have alf and get those to me. I was sure be grateful. Where would you like white house. I just sure well appreciate eight this. I needed more than anything and <hes> now. Do you give us more the address coach. I'm running for a funeral and give him address just how to address these powder so we'll send them to you. Don't you you get to measurements of manana haven age to the back. Give us a aides to the pockets and by age underneath underneath showing that amount you liked it fried and cry yeah. That's right okay here. He is okay. Go ahead please.

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50: Our Giro stage 5: The Supernovas

The Cycling Podcast

1:01:03 hr | 8 months ago

50: Our Giro stage 5: The Supernovas

"You're listening to this podcast at our did or the time you brought to you by. I woke up flexible loans for small businesses. Do they we add in Mardika? Says your own says you say well. We're up to stage five almost a quarter of the way through our Cheetahs Italian. We're all reliable. We're still in Sicily. The second of three days on the island. The Jiro visited Sicily in two thousand seventeen for a couple of days. We'll talk a lot more about Mount Etna. Tamara but when the Jira was in Sicily in two thousand seventeen to stage finish in Vincenzo Niba lease hometown Messina which won by Fernando Gaviria and following year. Two thousand eighteen. There were a couple of stage wins for Tim. Wellens and Enrico battling before they went to Aetna at a say we're talk about AETNA. Tomorrow is looming. Hopefully it won't erupt when I've arrest virtually or otherwise So yeah we're enjoying a joint island. This was Paik Peyton of Napalm if he is a guy when we're on AETNA was that this was Came after several days when everything conspired against you napalm and and I think we could hear a rumbling. We could feel rumbling. As we were on our way up the mountain he thought that was fronton. I thought my computer had broken. It was refusing to turn on no ideal at the start of grand tour that took around without a computer. A missing There was an embarrassing moment. Wasn't there far 'em young teammates. Who thought he'd won the stage and stuck his hands up in there a lap early. Yes who was it? It was Slovenian. Not Challenge the other fellow Bahrain. Similar names paunch that's right Daniel. It was Luca people. Nick who is still at Bahrain McLaren. He did Chris Boardman. British cycling fans will If you're watching the tour. Frontier One thousand nine hundred four. Chris Boardman did that. Didn't he? Down in Brighton. I think don't remember that. Did he attacked tight buying off the front. I don't remember him thinking one. Kelly proposal to the famously didn't they well remembered the line on forgot you were are. Slovenian correspondent of course so those names are all on the tip of your tongue. That was one of those incidents where we found everyone in the press and everyone watching. It found it funny and then When you you went to I went to the Bahrain Marie bus that evening and tried to speak to people neck and he was absolutely mortified. And he's also got the hairdryer dry treatment from one of these sportifs would not very amused by what he'd done. I mean it'd be like your trousers falling dying on public transport or something or somewhere in public hugely embarrassing. Well meshed embarrassing as as saying Chris. Boardman at done the same thing. I'm sure in my memory might be playing truly did on if you listen. Chris I apologize on behalf of Lionel at Lionel. Can we have the tale of the top? Please we can. This is a stage from Agrigento to Monica. It's exactly the same stage as Grundy Potenza in nine thousand nine hundred nine when a relatively unknown sprinter writing for mobile team even quote top pulled. The Lion King's are speak marriage. Pollini was the hot favourite to win that stage but could only finish third and QUARANTA. Who's going to feature heavily in the first third of today's episode didn't he ought to have a feline nickname. Did the Leopard. I asked him about this but he told me that the gentleman who came up with that nickname was a family friend. He dubbed him the Leopard. The Leopard been the fastest animal with a fossilised cat in the jungle. And this was a deliberate dig Mario Cipollini chaplain of course was the the Lion King. But the gentleman. The friend who did come up with that nickname apparently died about a week ago. From Corona virus. Point of order. Isn't the cheater. The fastest animal in how long yesterday and I could see it coming as well about Gary not being related to any other European languages very very distantly related to finish. But I'm not even going to get into this Cheetah nickname for cyclists or or any athlete. Really wouldn't it anyway? Sorry Carolina'll well I'm just looking up about about Quaranta ill ill pado. Pardo guy and not a treat to separate but still Abbott any anyway. Big Cats are going to be a theme of A couple of stages coming up towards the end of the week as well anyway today. Stage is largely flat in Jiro terms. We're going along the coast rising slightly at the end of course while they. Jiro include a lot of climbing show. Let's hear from the course so much for a meander along. The coast right is very unhappy with race director. Daniele Free Bernstein. Especially I think this coming just before aetna tomorrow heard rumors of a protest tomorrow. Stage might just stop at the foot of on mass led by the the lion of the CHILTERN ALTERNATIVE. Alternatively the elephant offered name machines to going by he is our latter day five and I think we're all looking to him to register some kind of protest at the severity of the Safar. Anyway onward. Nobody scrutinizing my results too closely but I am writing every day. That's my commitment child. Sorry Napalm you just wanted to confirm the hadn't defamed Chris. Boardman aided in fact attack out of the bunch when the tour visited Britain in Nineteen ninety-four stage finish within Brighton. He thought he was away on his own. In fact there are three ride the road. And there's a picture in a book Which was done by connor and Graham Watson Cord Boardman and yeah? He's giving it full beans. He crosses the line a full victory. Celebration talk about taking US data. Cold this out here though is coming up in today's episode. We're GONNA be talking about what we're calling Super Novas And I'm not. I'm not unexpected. Cat some not necessarily even An expert on. He have their relationship of Finnish and Hungarian. And I don't even know what as astrology isn't it? Nas Johnny definitely not an astrologist. I'm not the man to really give the perfect definition of a Supernova but we think something I started burns brightly and then fades in relation to the there have been lots of these. Jiro history writers who have done their best work in the era and never really imploded. Faded waned or not gone on to reproduce the same the same results. I'm in other races notably Tokyo Franz. You are listening to the Sakhalin podcast at our genitalia brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans bid for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. K. Thank you very much to are title sponsors. I walk an award-winning finance company. That specializes in lending to small businesses. company has issued more than one billion pints to companies ranging from startups to establish businesses. 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He's not picking any claim atoll so I think we can see a theme beginning to emerge and develop but he in Viviana gown very. Well don't they yeah? They've had their ups and downs. Haven't I remember? There's a couple of years ago. They had a bit of a spot. It seems unlikely because Vivian is quite unusual. Sprints or in the he's a pretty calm measured guy. Most of the time controversial wore that Italian champions Jersey the Chiro last year. That didn't bring him any walk tall in today's episode. Is he said Daniel? We're looking at writers who've burned brightly briefly at the jeeter Talia over the years. We're GONNA pick a a roundabout ten may come up with a podium at the end of Champagne Supernova one maybe percent coup Super Novus our first pick those somebody that you've spoken to recently and is a name that people will kind of vaguely remember awful. Bite them yeah what do you chaps remember about Yvonne Quaranta? I just remember the shock of that Lewis. Win In one thousand nine and he was a relatively unknown rider. A might have been better known in Italy but he was riding for a second. Division team wasn't a mobile van. Pollini rude were kind of the crazy gang of Italian psyche and had all sorts of every motley bunch of misfits. Pascal Reshad and how old he wasn't in nineteen ninety nine. Jiro but I I think they burn the candle at both ends. We'll hear about that later. Anyway but CIPOLLINI was the king of the jungle at the time wasn't he and it was a real upset. Yeah well it's Chattanooga you mentioned the fact that you know. He seemed to come from no he'd actually turned pro posted a couple of years earlier and it gone pretty bodily. It looked as if he wasn't GonNa really have what it took to be a a atop Rhode pro or top sprinter. He mainly written on the truck is a youngster and but he he's team did get a ride. In one thousand nine Jira Mollica. Cipollini was the best sprinter in the world of the time. The King of the jungle and everyone expected Chipo to don the PINK JERSEY. Probably Know Him. It would have been the pink. Jersey Pink Shorts Pink Socks Pink Pink everything. That's not what happened. Luckily eat cordray. Delivery will not first stage. I remember there was a climb thirty or forty kilometers from the finish. Then we went down the other side and then it was fifteen or twenty kilometers on the flat lining Monica. I got dropped near the top of the climb and went over the summit thirty seconds down on the Front Group of about sixty guys mighty Sony and Miracle Quality Drawback to help me. We went hell for leather down the descent. We eventually got back on with about fifteen kilometers to go from there. I went into water pilot. Maybe naive or just carefree as you are when you've already had a good season you know you're that to learn and you have much responsibility. Get the antics. Ara Red Squad of Mario Cipollini CIPOLLINI. They're currently in second position but he's GonNa get challenged by your own Bliley. Even Susan pretty good condition so far this season but was for the moment a little bit too far down there in Tenth Place Indeed. Saco boys against seem to have control of this but CIPOLLINI outside to take this. Somebody's being all of the way here. And this is David Sankaran to. Who's challenging him? Well that is amazing. Because they've really forced away to the Pack Ham food throw out so I got back on what I could basically without the training without ten and maybe a bit by fluke. I found myself on CIPOLLINI's wheel I was definitely handy on a bike. When it came to know my way around the bunch bike handling touching the brakes a lot less than other because I'd always raced on the track in the youth categories. That day I'd found all the gaps and was on mighty wheel as we came into the last band. Then it was two hundred and fifty or three hundred meters slightly uphill Mario to the draw launch. My sprint I and I managed to beat him leading out for the line there now as feel strings out here in Medica now looking down Cipollini on the far right across the line elaborates. Yvan Kuranda who took it for mobile veteran north wave. Now Watch this because this is a little bit of a blow to Cipollini because Kuranda taking six win of the season is going to be delighted having beaten Cipollini Andro Bliley Evans. Mantha look interesting. It's era Joh- off renew. My life changed straight away. I could tell from the first interest woman. Tried one from birth fans on the media. Winning stages is one thing you can win. What you like. But if wear the Pink Jersey all eyes on you especially in a place like Sicily which isn't a region of great citing connoisseurs funds. That mainly just want to see the Pink Jersey on even know his name but the Pink Jerseys the Pink Jersey on the night itself partied went to bed at midnight. Because well we hadn't gone. They're thinking about winning a stage a really small team the bottom of the day. And you go there and you win the very first stage against all the biggest teams in the biggest riders in the world. You can imagine what a celebration like. The hotel was besieged by funds. Because that's the other thing the Sicilians convivial by nature and they love a party. There were three hundred fans outside. The hotel then came the next day. You know you're in a bubble wins. Something like that happens and you really appreciate. Something's later when you step outside of that bubble one of the things I remember. The race started the next day and every time we pass a house or shop window. I was looking to see myself in the Pink Jersey and the reflection it was funny. Usually you don't looking at the reflection of the window trying to spot yourself at the same time as I was looking seeing myself. Couldn't quite believe that that would mean the Pink Jersey beautiful feeling a memory to last a lifetime. The other thing was like three times as much attention from women they called me Don Kniola later a lady killer. But I didn't think any worse than anyone else. In that regard I just did it in full daylight. I mean I think we can all relate Daniel to check check yourselves and the League. You're going to say. They studied at least their position on the by. What about the about tripling female attention of a famous? That happened to you. After your victory in the tour of the trucks stage to a ninety nine thousand four hundred ten really no no not that I was aware of anyway. Anyway that was a of Yvonne Quaranta. Yeah I thought that was a lovely a lovely image and lovely memories a great current event and he was someone who sort of indeed himself to the Italian press and public. Probably as for reasons. You can understand listening to that clip. He was a larger than life character. And Yeah it was a real shock. Cross CIPOLLINI's bows that first that first stage win and then Cipollini well cruncher started. He said they started second. Stage IN PINK JERSEY AND CIPOLLINI. Got It back so he won the second stage but it was a real. Ding Dong between them for the rest of Jiro. In the sprints and Quaranta I mean he was someone who completely opposite of Cipollini. As far as sprints were consigned. He didn't really need to train like having a train. 'em He sort of was kind of counter punching printer and whenever he got the jump first. Cipollini is causing problems while there was another occasion where he got the better of him yet. That not became not so much. The stages have but what happened after. That station became the stuff of legend. And let's just hear from Yvonne Koran about that now she your story well first of all bear. Monday cycling's changed. No-one goes clubbing in the middle of a stage race anymore even saga. He might seem like a bit of another or and back in the day. They couldn't do what we did. Because everything's changed may make a lot more. Sacrifices are lot more professional than we were anyway. I'd won the first stage of the got some other good results. Seconds and thirds men wanting choosing article pantani hometown. Try to imagine what the crowds were like. They're the absolute peak of Monaco's popularity. After when the tool and the Jira or the previous year Ca Chunky FYODOR discotheque. Say why willing Cobenas will either way what he wanted in that area. There on nightclubs believe precisely. That's what I was getting to the states that evening. We'd arrange the grout with Cipollini because he'd also two stages and we were happy without Jiro. Plus. It was going to be impossible for us to make it to Milan that year. There were three or four huge mountain stages coming up in the last week so that night. A team manages mechanics masters. I want all agreed that we would go to a nightclub craft champagne or two. It's not like we were GONNA until five in the morning get drunk. There ended up being about ten of us in the club. Me Three my teammates mighty on a few his. We'd been there for a while. When suddenly these journalists and photographers turned up couple of photos. Mario made a quick getaway and then we will left there which is why in the next day's papers. The rule these reports what onto goes clubbing. And so on and stuck aftermath. I was always the party boy there. Is You know how it works. I mean I definitely could have one more in my career but I also could have one less. Trust me to thirty-nine races on the road in a career. You have to train and you have to live like a bitter athlete. Although yes it's true I could have one more so nightclub. In in the middle of a jared Italian. I heard that story at the time and it was a it was a tag the Koran carried with him for the rest of his career ever playboy sprinter true to a certain extent but as he said that it wasn't something that he was doing every night and the next the next couple of years he did become quieter. Return quite major figure. As far as the JIRA was concerned there was no suggestion of him. Because he wasn't he wasn't in a team that was ever. GonNa ride in the tour. At that point there was never a suggestion of going to the Tour de France but in the next year he won two stages in the one after that he went to stays as well so six. Total not really a flash in the PAN not really a one hit wonder and but then it will ground abruptly to a whole new was a lot of criticism of him for being overweight. Not being professional again this idea that he was sort of on the out on the tiles every night and he goes big move to. Saiako done his best work. Crunchy sort of came in as a replacement for CIPOLLINI in two thousand and three and it was a bit of a disaster and that was the beginning of the end for Quanta as he explained to me here close. Spirit Avenue quoted classically because Who socially due to the leaney too. I hope that they'd found classics rider. Or some kind of new CIPOLLINI or even a new Nicola Manali but I was a writer who went pretty well on a very specific type of course and that was about it. I used to get dropped on every climb as a junior and right up until my first year and under twenty three I only read the flying two hundred on the track so in the space of full years I'd undergone a transformation that was almost too radical. I had four or five years when I was competitive and winning. I mean wasn't nearly forty not three races those years. I did and I always got dropped disarm Ramo and always dropped and it wasn't because training that was just a Roger I was. I could cling onto a pedal to finish races but in really hard races. I was never in contention. You know what it means to be a track sprinter. It means doing ten thousand kilometers a year as opposed to thirty five thousand a year row pro hamied spending a lot of time in the gym. A training session for me. Fifty standing starts and ten sprints behind a journey that was it then shower and home but in Italy there wasn't much future for track rider and since I went okay on the road people encourage me to give it a go from not finishing the two thousand and one year in a few years was a massive achievement for me. Llosa could have won the final sprint Milan except my derail had broken and I had to sprint twelve sprocket. Finish but we still party that night. What else are you gonNA do? So that was even on White. Didn't work in the tail end of his career and then he did actually have problems and when his career ended. I mean bison admission sort of go in with a bit of a bad crowd or a group of guys a lot of them. Cyclists actually had retired and were directionless in life. One was gyco Valentino Voice. Who'd written for Mapei? I think he'd written widened for Monitoring. And you know and he developed a cocaine addiction news good friend of Koran and he died in two thousand seven hundred thousand eight am. Yeah that was. That was a big source of regret for even for a number of years. The hadn't been able to help his mates but all much better now for Krant I son. I think he's sons. Called some way is very promising. under twenty three rider our first champagne. Supernova maybe emphasis on the champagne rather than the SUPERNOVA. He wasn't really a flash in the PAN I guess being in the shadow of Mario Cipollini can't be not easy for an Italian sprinter. Who is our next champagne Supernova content off a cracker here chops but before that let's revisit the day the stage when this gentleman came very much to the fore this is extraordinary even by Jairus standards. This is a true casino tree. Mess is really I mean. We've we've been sent all across the dolomites down the femme tracks and country roads. And now we've got to take cable car to the finish and there's no indication in the road. The this is what we had to do to get from the start to the finish. Had we known it's currently likely we would have We would have got moving early. Wouldn't we yeah? And I think the loco itinerary today or all costs so that's off-course itinerary has been inspired by a bowl of Spaghetti hasn't it? It's been a shocker. All the compliments for amount of any in the organizers the sheriff yesterday's extraordinarily beautiful fantastic Donald Blockbuste-. I've been forgotten as I said earlier. Line honors your loss day and your Pittsburgh dribbling over the line motivation. Now we didn't mention is still good. Energy levels concentration level's suddenly levels of planning seems to Windows alarmingly in the last hours. Yeah I mean I've done quite the driving this way. Kevin Hart five point and I just I think my mental finish was was the long drive after the stage last night and looking at the road but yesterday today looked like it was going to be a picnic. We two three kilometers away from the start. We manage to make a mess of that. Had TO DO WITH THIRTY K. Diversion up the order or tie Strada Soy and back then we got kind of locked in at the star and Now we're well. We still clowns looms hapless flounder here. But this is all over isn't it? I mean the best the easiest as often or these days on paper often turn out to be the ones that really catch out and I think that's the reminder to us that he calm relax for a minute on on rice that year. I know I have to say that. Level of organization today You know not well taught standard. Certainly say that because the logistics of getting everybody out from Castel rotter which is a starter alpay. Uzi Really shouldn't be this complicated. But they've made the deviation road between the two small towns. They've made it one way. We can't drive up it presumably because its narrow so we've now driven all around everywhere and we're going to have to get in a cable. Hopefully Daniel. I remember that day fondly. We must have driven up and down the same bit of road under through the tunnel and round the round mountain back through the tunnel and then we found ourselves in a car park and It went on and on and on. And we thought we were GONNA stage entirely and miss. Well what is turned out to be quite a rarity a victory for Russian writer who is no longer riding profession. Yeah Alexander fully for of we. Well we were very surprised at the time but I actually release into the POD. We did that day and we had a couple of very lustrous guests. We had Dan. Lloyd and Ned bolting. We bumped into them on the way down the mountain Dan Lloyd him to do this team. He said on pod well. We shouldn't be surprised. You know he's a guy with decent pedigree Sort of suggested that. Go on to great things. Alas that didn't happen in fact Alexsandr fully for off is really just turned twenty eight but I don't think he's now Cyclist in fact he was last seen on instagram. In Sierra Football Stadium Wow it was a ten point eight kilometer uphill time trial wasn't it to. Alpe is down you. And he won by fractions of a second ahead of Steven Krause. Who of course within the sake of the race at the time and fully for offers writing for Gazprom and one of his teammates so guy I was fourth that day so it was a real a not just one? Eyebrow raised gas prompts performance that day but both eyebrows. And if if ever there's a stage that you would say well dot com be the con of being some sort of freak circumstances wind or a lucky break away it's amounting Tanja Mountain. Time should be ultimate test of physical prowess it was. It was a very strange performance to performances and for a long time because they went off rarely. They were top of the leaderboard. Weren't they first enough and fully for off I resolve the really does stand as an oddity. Who's our next one please? Well rich we talked about tripling female attention and by virtue of winning State and taking the Pink Jersey in the Talia an cracking story this one nineteen eighty two white jersey. Went Up Marco Garappolo. He finished ninth in not Jarash his first year. Twenty one years of age and Eddy. Merckx said he was Italy's biggest town. He was going to go on for great things the next year in one thousand nine hundred three at the Jiro grotto fell in love hopelessly with a podium. I spoke to him a couple of years ago. He said it all started with a glance at the start of the eighty three year and it was a lightning bolt love at first sight. We began exchange little notes in the morning before stages and I got a phone number and finally we will buy from the same hotel on the night of the time trial. I went to didn't stay more than twenty minutes. We kissed no more then. The next day dropped on the first climb because I had a knee injury and word got around my teammate Fritz. Peirod I'd been with Mandy the night before I ended up abandoning the race. And that's where the story of me being ruined by a podium girl started so yeah after that he never finished grand tour and bought. When I did speech a couple of years ago he was. He was keen to stress that he stayed with Mandy. For eleven years it wasn't just as a whirlwind romance and he said it was still quite about. Actually you know couple of decades later because a relationship but eventually ended and he said manage problem in the end was was that she had one very ugly quality. She was beautiful. It was a curse cast at our d'italia he supported by scientists sciences sport. Fueled by. Siam's thank you very much. Indeed to scientists sport for their support of the cycling podcast enabling us to be here at our Jiro. And you can get twenty five percent off all your sinus sport products at science and Sport Dot Com with the code. Sis CPI twenty-five. I took her performance nitrate jealous morning on my ride and well. I finished so obviously worked and speaking of Feeling Journal Tin. So the second one from Ritchie Avella is the Ross organic that features in the cycling podcast for Jiro. The near Adel. Davila Grapes are harvested from organic bananas. 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We've we've Gone With Divine Saleh's in Greg from a divine says partly because they have the same philosophy about wine. Biodynamic stuff natural stuff. Would you reckon? Yeah I'm just on a greg and diviner. I noticed that he is giving a bottle of wine. A day to People work for chess in the UK. So you can nominate doctors and people he no are working on the front line and Crooner virus and they might get a bottle of wine from Greg which is very nice row. Try and say the right things here. Quite Light Daniel Y- good acidity notice that good good acidity probably age reasonably well. It's light Hannon's novel. The grape variety and cyclists from avalon. Insistently name him could be could qualify. Jira Supernova remember Jam Palo Carrizo careers every limb. Yeah a fairly recent. Amer who actually I think. His career ended in fact it did end because of a doping ban in two thousand fifteen it was announced occurs. How tested positive free. Peo- I'm just me and he's never returned anyway. It's going down a treat. Who is our next well? I think we're moving on to a country now. Aren't we have a question for you? Walk do Yasser Pettersen right hazy doll and Richard Caterpillar having common. And what do they intern? Having common with Alexander Vinokourov Primoz wrocklage. Beyond and Cadel Evans. This cycle US asking this easy honestly while the first. Three Patterson hazy dial and caterpillars are the only three grand tour champions from their respective countries. Sweden Canada an Ecuador. They won the Jiro. Vinokourov and rogue glitch from Kazakhstan and Slovenia the only grandchild champions for those countries. I Have Welter Reese Evans of won the Tour de France for Denmark and earlier. But we're GONNA talk about your Pettersen because this is a story. That really intrigued me and Richard. You pointed this out when we watch stars and water carriers a scene very early in the in the race where somebody's fingers running over the list of Jira Italia winners and the voice. I said something like the biggest names in the sport of one that year and finger very pointedly skipped past patterson the nineteen seventy-one champion as if he's not one of the greatest names in sport which this lum fair. It's an interesting story. Because he was the oldest of four brothers who all turned professional for the Italian Ferretti team in nineteen seventy the others were edit stood and Thomas and they were from a village could fog limb near Voor Gorda in Sweden which is where the women's world to race is held and as a quartet. The four brothers won the World Team. Time-trial championships which in those days with a one hundred kilometer time trial in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight and sixty nine. They also wanted to see over in the same event at the Nineteen Sixty Olympics. And while the Ferretti team they joe blow of Patterson's I signed up all four of them in one thousand nine hundred seventy and in seventy one pettersen one zero a real surprise victory even though the previous year debut season heaping six in the an third in the Tour de France. But he was he was getting on a bit. He was He was one the seventy one. It was a very open. Chiro Eddy Merckx. Pulled out which do right but pulled out About a week or a four or five days before the race. The Homo Teini team didn't take part. Gimondi lost a lot of time in the first week of the race. And Patterson kind if why rose to the top of the classification in the final week took the Pink Jersey Three or four days from the end there was a stage that went into Austria with the race. Lead a cloudy. I Mitchell auto got dropped. He was on the verge of cracking for dot before that pretty finally got dropped and he hung onto a car and Limited these losses that way and given only a minute penalty which other writers were very unhappy about the following day. They pretty much worked over. And Patterson took the lead and then extended it a bit in the final time trial. He's the only Swedish rider to win a grand tour. Let's hear a little bit about him from Magnus Max did. Who's the only only sweet to win a Tour de France stage? Well the some brothers They were all sort of fucking heritage in in Sweden. And I saw you sort of started becoming a little bit better and Starting to lay down a few results up in Sweden August by a barber shop that was owned by You Start and his brother Eric and We obviously Became a lot more aware of what the pet some brothers had done. Through the years and You know the biggest thing was detained. Tom Trial that they do Not said well championships. Sixty seven sixty nine that statistical do them when you got full brothers dot good can actually win the world championship. I think is something special within any school in the world. Really it does really stand it. Doesn't y'all stop Patterson's when the ninety seventy one you but he finished the year before he was clearly a very solid writer indeed a good writer turned fresh at pretty late. And we're in the south of Italy just now of course in our imaginations and not not a that began in Leche and in the right in the sort of The heel of the boot in Italy isn't it and that was quite unusual at the time. Wasn't that Daniel. Yeah we'll has always had a difficult relationship with the south. It didn't produce a wind from the south until Danilo Deluca one in two thousand seven and even he was really from the center of Italy. So yeah I'm always. And there's always been controversy. The regional governors in the south of complained because the south hasn't been given fair treatment in that is used to Passan. Seems pretty obvious to me. Didn't get much fair treatment in nineteen seventy one. I mean just going back and looking at some of the newspaper reports about. Jiro struck me. How Patriotic Nationalistic. On some of the coverage used to be and nine hundred seventy one. All the papers could really talk about was how It was a sof win for Patterson because Merck's wasn't there and and I read a piece in La Stampa which really reminded me of napalm before we mellowed a few years ago very very critical of the Italian riders in particular on the space to Saas. Italian this is Johnny Pinata in La Stampa Jared Italian plumbed. The depths today grotesque fashion. Thanks to the obstinate. Refusal to go into battle on behalf of the favorites. Who prevented dragged down with them. Robin costs off their gloves. Whoever's wearing the PINK Jersey Milan? There's only one winner Eddie. Merck's the so-called AC snubbed. The winning brace that can continue that disconsolate procession voluntary losers there was any difference between them and the herds of sheep grazing the field at the side of the road. The color of their jerseys. The kind of thing napalm would or in a few years ago and Patterson Pattison Memphis. Obviously was that it wasn't a proper rights and Pattison. Obviously benefited from that but he was pelted with eggs. I read On the penultimate mountain stage by presumably by Italian fans yet the Italians You Know Politics. Internal politics seemed to hand the race. Tim in a way not take anything away from his victory but Felix she on the and Gianni. Motta were teammates and apparently couldn't stand the sight of each other. The some good background to all this in Harvey Sykes Pook jeter one hundred some sources from that seventy one zero a speaks to pietro guerra. Mata wrote like he didn't have a chain. That really needle. Jim Monday Ugo Colombo was another is another guy in this book and he was in the Malia Rosa and leaving Patterson by seven minutes to stage seven according to Colombo Gimondi calls him to lose Jersey and follow contention because Monday was also trying to stop dilly only winning. Had He wanted it would have been a disaster for him. Psychologically and also economically because the pie in Italian cycling was only so big and the biggest slice at the time was G. Monday's so if it seemed as though for Jim Andy himself couldn't win. He was determined to stop another. Italian winning while sticking with the Swedish team just for a minute or two another writer who had a a real pup patch at the Jira for a number of years with told me Prima. He came close but didn't win. The Jiro he turned pro for the Bianchi team in one thousand nine hundred eighty and finished fourth at the first attempt that year winning stage in Toronto the following year was the closest. You got finished second. Thirty eight seconds behind Giovanni Battista Lean one of three Bianchi. Pg riders in the top ten Primoz. And well let's just hear a word or two from Tommy Prim problem during the race and and Who I realized it was that Gangqi started your rights with three things. It was me Contini about on Kelly we had. We had a team who only one. Riders decided that we have to work for him but aline had an evolve in that Bianchi was to store his team but they he left the one after another. Do the work so at the final I will done a good place and the next day. It was completely and the next thing. It was burned Kelly so he didn't lose too much comes on that not the final day but the year. Finish up from threat shipment elaborate. It was bad for me because I I was In the back and the race when very hard opt to Cortina and to Serena and I have to work too much for that China climbed to trashing and they're back to lean had he's a launch to watch me and two days after it was finally Kerma Mater and I was fifty seconds behind him and I only managed to take back twelve seconds. So I lost to you because I would say that the Bianchi had if they had to dom de the this to put everything behind me I could have one that you're about to glean of course was in real four that springy just one of welter and then a handful of days later kicked off the one that as well back to back premium the best of three Bianchi PG eroded in the top ten and as he said failed he would have won. The JIRA had he been Italian The following year eighty two. He was second again to Bernardino and he was fourth again in one thousand nine hundred five so a real round of high results on. Gce without actually winning. The Jiro and think I'm correcting saying premium. Didn't actually ever ride the Tour de France that that was something that wasn't unusually days. Roy Does on. Italian teams would not get the opportunity to ride the tour because the Italian teams often did. Jiro but didn't go to the tool Bianchi being one of them but that was the thing that would happen for Jesse ceremony for example in those years often didn't ride the tour what we've spoken about even Quaranta and Yasser Patterson and you've named an another few contenders Daniel for the crown of Champagne Supernova sacco Supernova. Apologize can you give us a few more names please? Well I think when we talk about fluke winners of grand tours. Unfortunately Carlo Claridge's name always gets mentioned. Winter of nineteen fifty. Four zero was part of a big breakway on a state al-aqua and about well over half an hour over three big names the three big. Acc Italian at that time. Copy Martelli and Fiorenzo Magni and yet one. You held on quite easily in the end to win that. Jiro and another sort of double whammy for the Italians. He had been Italian and he changed his nationality to Swiss a couple of months before the race. So yeah. They went one too thrilled about that. Leonardo Sierra Venezuelan Klima. Who Famously won the states that Africa in one thousand nine hundred zero and again was? Are you young at the time? I think he's twenty one. We're going to hear more about that rich later in our JIRA. We're going to have johnny savvy on about how he allegedly acquired. Leonardo Sierra swapped him for twenty two bicycles not entirely true but and as Johnny will tell us what was reported at the time. Bicycles or just random bicycles. We'll get into that napalm and spy strange coincidence another Supernova Jose Serrano another Venezuelan finished third in the two thousand five all and came from the same town or village in Venezuela Leonardo Sierra. And then I'm didn't completely fall off the radar but certainly never rescale those heights and if we think about windows rich when we mentioned clarity another very famous one is faster bed tall. Your who won in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and Jira finished on the Stelvio and it was the most what stage ever on Italian TV. Yeah that's another one. That really intrigues. Me No no. Sort of processional finish You know every year when the two Franz arrives on trump's elise as someone who say that they should get rid of the procession in Paris and just have the the race finish on a mountain top. It has happened. Nineteen seventy five on the Soviet amazing but the JIRA. I probably the the race most likely to try something like that again. I guess maybe they were one day. Interestingly though the race lead didn't change and so today just state the site the chase ages state more or less the same and another one Daniel. A lot of people will will recall domino. Kuna goes went in two thousand and four at the time it seemed not a flash in the PAN but the start of A period of domination than than success for clinical. He was one of the bright young stars of not just Italian cycling but world cycling and had a great rivalry with his teammates. You'll birth to Simoni. Of course Aninat raced for a long time. Only retired a couple of years ago and but for many years seemed to of drift around. He never repeated. The success never looked like repeating that success. Although I do feel that some of his wins are kind of overlooked justify. They didn't win. The Jiro again has wins and races. Like you know Lumbar Day em. I'm still gold. Race is even mad at the world championships to as an eight were overlooked because none none of those performances quite lived up to winning the Jiro at. You know in two thousand four age. What was he at the time? Twenty three twenty four twenty two twenty two at the age of twenty two. So it's tempting to ask what went wrong for KUNA go. Are you know in the end? In the final analysis was his career. A disappointment he is the one of the great and was to the last couple of decades. Yeah it was a very strange story rich on pro cycling magazine. We used to have a feature called the FAB four where we would pick four riders to watch over the course of the season and in in two thousand and four. We picked Kuna go and what we used to do. With these features. We still a big story with the writers at Star of the year. We'll go to the house and interview them and I went secret go home. Easter live in the mountains white family still lives in the mountains behind Verona and went there and sort of a typical story. You during those days the family was very humble and sort of working class. Family and his brother was there and we went into his bedroom. And he had to g Morrison poster on the wall and the pantani poster. And he's a really down to Earth Kid and at that stage hadn't done much as a pro then. Over the course of the season we would stay in contact with the riders and we will do a monthly update. And I remember the first couple of months of that year. He was so telling me about where he finished in. Settimana copy about Italy. Well down the failed to get a little bit better and then I didn't update one month in and he'd he'd gone really well toward the bus country sort of finishing stages fifteenth and then over the next four or five weeks. He went absolutely ballistic He won the tour of the Trentino. Won Two stages and the overall I remember being passed on the age and He'd won a rice. Initially Channel Tour of the appenine and the ride. Italian right is coming over the line in the Edgbaston aged at heard about this from director sportifs and I remember Stephanie Ghazali. Just sort of stopping and saying want again go one again and then the Jira I started and he won. I think in the first week you WANNA stay in in the second week you WANNA state. And then they'd gone in his team cycle with Simonis. The captain the big favorite for the Jiro and stole its thunder and the apprentice surpassed the the master and then we had that famous incident. Where one yet another stage. And she wasn't happy and shouted by Star though as he came over the line. And you know it was a great imbroglio in the last few days of that. Jira only verses Kuna guys Simoni was acquired. Could be quite a temperamental current on them. Yeah he he ended that here in a in a very bad mood indeed about what KUNA KUNA go had done to. Yeah that was an extraordinary year. Two Thousand and four and cuny never really at reach. Those heights again did but his results were were good. I mean he wrote a grand tour every year from two thousand and three to two thousand sixteen a one a stage of Welte in two thousand and nine which was The only other time that he won a stage of grand tool but it was fourth again in the fifth in Jiro. He won the White Jersey in the Tour de France. She was six in the Tour de France. In Two thousand eleven. You know he was kind of a a feature an perhaps. I don't know a warning to what can happen. If you burn incredibly brightly the rest of your career and then the expectation is on the show for the next fifteen years but the doping questions of hangs over Kuningan his career really and pretty had that. Yeah this I'm doping-free tattooed arm but that was arranged. Two seven two thousand eight when he was sort of reinventing himself as a as a one day writer. Punchy of one day writer and a law of people drew the inference that you know that he had okay there and make a lot of assumptions here but he almost made a calculation that he could with doping be a force in those kinds of races and not and grandmothers. The there was a very symbolic moment. And you're a piece in and pro cycling by KUNA go on there. Couldn't go enigma. A few years ago Daniel and there was a moment when Lance Armstrong came back and rode the Jiro and a sort of a moment that kind of crystallized the the the respective status of the two of them it was Armstrong was even if he wasn't at the height of his power as he was still the boss and KUNA goal was very diminished. Seemed than they clashed in not. Jiro Armstrong famously authored. The the words I'll crush you little prince and in that moment also the nickname itself there was something demeaning a by on it was a real symbolic moment of tuna goes status had declined over those five or six years. Yeah and you got the sense throughout Korea of discomfort discomfort with the role of the pedestal on which she'd been placed When he won that I mean it was I was there at the end of that. Journey was absolutely feverish. Comparisons with copy on Pantani Donald Marco. Pantani KUNA goes back here at died at three or four months earlier. And you know I remember speaking to a colleague Polly Thomas L. And he was saying that it was like watching a reincarnation of Pantani that someone had been sent down to avenge Injustice Pantani. It had suffered and people did get carried away then straight immediately next season had glandular fever and but he also didn't didn't thrive in the limelight. He didn't seem to enjoy it and the eternal question was always. You mentioned his. I'm doping-free campaign. The question was always. In what circumstances had he won in two thousand and four Had he had some kind of? Pathan thereafter after howdy changed the world. Riders Teammates Leonardo Bertagna Ali. Who's a guy who got done for? He got busted for doping years later he always maintained the KUNA goes had had his career robbed the he. He's actually. He was actually someone who had had pretty strong ethics all along but then Kernigan himself was also named in a doping investigation sending on his lumpy team years later it wasn't really conclusive and he was certainly never convicted of anything but there was still to this day something inexplicable about his career path which seemed that way and you know I would love to think that one day he would tell his Oh exactly what happened from his point of view but I don't get the impression that you will well that's something did happen you know in other sports you do get 'em athletes who who peek a very young age and then I'm an never quite live up because the pressure and the expectation externally and internally creates demands and pressures that weren't there before on on on you're able to recreate that that performance this is being very naive in a way but but also just applying the same logic to Koonig another cyclist as you would apply in other sports the other thing rich and we're going GonNa talk tomorrow about another anomalous edition of the Jira but the Jiro especially in recent history well history there have been these editions where the field if one was to be brutally honest has either been decimated by scandals or it has been relatively weak I mean the two thousand and four zero race just looking at the final top five as Gonchar second are very off Color Simoni was third Popovich was fourth and Daria Cheney was was also right up there and you know he was someone who never really came close to doing doing something like that again and although we mocked the Im doping-free tattoos transfers the M Kunwar years later that and that was it was kind of at the time and in that context quiet statement in a way it should it should it should some courage actually they want many people who are prepared to say anything on the subject of that time but the you know it was it did attract bit of ridicule as well because obviously they were temporary tattoos that washed off I mean there was the fortunate sort of what it lent itself turn unfortunate misunderstandings and I am doping-free was he does that mean that he wasn't paying for Yeah Lost in translation and the Italians love their English phrases. Don't they well anyway? I mean to conclude our perceptual Supernova. Episode 'em do we want to pay maybe three of our own perceptual super from Kiro Writers who burn very brightly but but only only briefly and there are a few who've done in Jira context. You know you could you. Could you could say Chris from Had only finished zero before winning it. Of course he did perform quite well. In other rates he left one zero OCTA getting a toe to the top of the final amount. His final mounting on one of the race. Motorbikes didn't he holding on holding on on claim on. Yeah that's great. That's great but I I WOULD. I would Well there are two obvious from the scene writer. Has You if you look at his win? In two thousand fourteen. It really does stand I as a as a quite exceptional performance for him. You know. Sort of Samantha's love affair with Jira and he went on after that to some more strong performances air. But that was a surprise. Ev Genie Bears. Who won in Nineteen ninety-four for Belen a real upset beating? Miguel injuring there again. He went on and perform. Well again. That you that is a result of performance that really jumps. I even Roberto Santini Am I. May We mentioned him a few days ago. But he won the one ninety-six he had finished up there before he was pretty consistently top ten in the Jiro for fears not somebody who produced those sorts of performances than any other race. So they're my three anyway. I thought you were going to go. I thought you were going to upset me. Deliberately gratuitously upset me share forgot my number one and number one is pinal. Tonkov You know our complete Washington won. The jeeter ones didn't do anything else second Nineteen ninety run a of welter on numerous occasions. I thought you gonNA actually include me as well. The you know I've only ever produced any decent work at the The podcast is concerned. See that's a good here. Yeah I'll put Daniel even their honorable mention for Yohanam oink who won in nineteen seventy eight still the most recent Belgian grand tour know. Well I've I've run out of mind but there is one actually that I intended to mention a heaven and Julio Perez Cuapio the Mexican climb up who In the early noughties which I'm really papa with stage wins in the in the Dolomites in particular. We'll that Sarah Supernova thing. We can all agree. That the The stand I is Pavel Tonkov and not Kathy and leave it there. Shall we haven you even more of a heathen about Powell? Tonko than you're about doing. I'm absolutely mortified more. I'm only joking. Daniel Tonko was a fantastic writer. Can you know just just aesthetically appreciate? I know you've been. You've been watching some clips of power Tonka because it relates to our next episode. Can you not just appreciate grace? And fluidity of the pedal instrument. Oh absolutely. Yeah if you didn't really like him. I'd love him Here now he's great. Rock rock solid on. A bike wasn't a elites elite gray. I mean hours. Remember him and Pantani being. We're not contrast in their in their styles and both very appealing. Yeah he looked great. I mean you know when I look in Garrett win those and unseen myself right passes its tunnel. Tonkov is the writer that comes to mind anyway. That's all I I. What's coming up tomorrow? Lionel? While we'll be on Mount Etna to witness one of the biggest explosions in Morton Jira Richard. Your interview with Cadel Evans who arguably came within nine kilometers of winning the two thousand and two Jiro Fascinating interview one to look forward to well until then thank you very much lying on. Thank you Richard. Thank you Daniel thank you chaps before we go we should say some thanks to some friends of the podcast people who've signed up friends the podcast and don't forget that if you do that now you will be able to watch our first film. And so we roads with CONOR DON and Larry War bus and that's available for just under a month nine to watch 'em and it will be. You'll be sent link by email. If you sign up as a friend of the podcast you can do so at the cycling. Podcasts DOT COM. And I'd like to say big thanks to Greg Grew Alex Ratio Jason Draper Daniel Power Robert Evans and Marcus buckle and thank you to Robin Lynch Victoria Peres obey Matt. Hold Ray Brash and brace girdle and Craig Turnbull. Thanks from Mayf- Moldova's to Ben Butcher Bob. Duffy Pete Tomlinson. Richard Use Chris. Boone and Joe. Hyme can I say my dad I know? He signed up in the listen to Daniel Specials. Thank no actually. We didn't know it was coming in you. Give a nasty show. Thanks doping. But I'm going to do anyway. Thanks thanks I didn't sign up to find out. More about is very possible.

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74: The Tour without Froome

The Cycling Podcast

58:45 min | 1 year ago

74: The Tour without Froome

"You listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character ride him what with rapper in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f education, fast and canyons. Throb. Hello, my name's Richard Moore. I'm with Lionel Barney. Richard Donyell free. I learn. Such a build of fun. I don't know. I'm often 'cause you're worth physically in the same place. Lionel where are we? We're in King's Cross in London, saying, we were very ver- Mutharika. Our new hang Dyal, did you try the vermouth Adid, we go free sample? I'm still I'm not one hundred percents sold on it. It'd be sweet for me during sweet things. You're you're in London. The interesting coffee experience yesterday. Sounds like a whole podcast absolutely free st-, but by the order, what did you order? Oh, a cappuccino and the Cardamom bun or capita. Cardi B is the bid stroking hub, but behind the on coda. Oh, sorry. I'm not. I didn't reveal where it was. I'm allowed somewhere defensives how what's your cap and khadi bay? It was fine. It was pre- regulation. I never had a common bum before he was fine. How many English pounds was it lots? Yeah, that's one of the problems, we London, isn't it? You know, you're you're used to Italy where so you're for a coffee. What's just relieved? Have anything that wasn't French coffee. I mean, it was very I was very grateful to ASO. We're having a final day, the at least it was, it was a sort of final day coffee, stop in Switzerland. And they took pity on everyone who'd been on the day for a week. And they took us to Switzerland for the often into get some decent coffee. Anthem Rivera favorites. Moist soft, drink of choice. This is kind of this European on brew as far as I'm concerned stuff with Armbruster people on the deafening, not happy to go into Switzerland is a country that ironically for country infamous for its inveterate neutrality, country, really devise opinion you didn't like it, much to you. I think it's beautiful. It's very clean. I it just feels like every time you're just you're just to open your wallet and pay more for things and really need different plugs, ended up a thing for your windscreen on the road and the different data roaming rates. Oh, yeah. Right flag. Vo five. Twit. So is a good advert for the EU. Maybe we shouldn't go there. Yeah. Do you remember the year, the tool had its rest day burn? We spent about a week's worth of budget onto night, went to, but not year. The. Recipes on Dora and burn burn is beautiful. It was it was a beautiful place to be for the day. Anyway. You are Dauphinee Donald lots to report on from this first podcast since the Jiro, isn't it our first regular podcast and what two more after this before we'll be in Brussels for the to France, if you didn't if you missed it last week, we were covering the women's tour over energy, women's tour with daily podcasts from there, and we've still got a little mini special to come from there as well from Orla Shinui's day and the canyon shrimp, teen car. Can I ask him ignorant question? Ovo is going to say with that. I think this is a Swiss link kicks over teeny Swiss isn't that what's ovo is going to the oval teen has it internet company. K that's what I know Ovaltine. Okay. You'd be really anti over teen kind of. I would think anyway, line up. Being erasing. That had well, there's been a lot of news. Team Ineos have had an absolute shocker of a week or so. Spy of winning two stages, though, finish, but overshadowed completely by a terrible crash for Chris in his recon ride for the time trial, the Dover name row on Daniel, you were there, you can finish it on what happened there. But the headlines are he crashed very heavily. Wall going downhill. And he's time-trial by took his hands off the handlebars to kind of blow his clear his nose and ended up in hospital with a fractured. Femur broken hip fractured ribs and a fractured in his neck and likely to be out for perhaps six months before he's back on the Bicol backing competition too. Sure, how long his recovery will take. But what we do know. He's definitely out of the two France. So there will be no fifth victory for Chris through this summer, quit one on that, just maybe returns this being about this incident. Tim Harris who is oracle and all things cycling women's tour. He said bond time trial bikes. Wow. They're unstable unsafe. I mean the streets, they are time trial bikes. Get them on normal road vice for time, trials then everyone's equal by consuming like it, but that was his solution. I'm just quoting around manager. And things got worse in a way because the defending champion guarant- Thomas, then had a crash at the two of Switzerland yesterday and as pulled out of the race. But we understand he has the all clear for the two of the front, Stewart two weeks to recover. We got a suffering affects of concussion today oversee monitor him. But we don't think that his position in the tour to France is in any doubt, but really difficult week or so fourteen any awesome. We'll talk all about that in the first part the podcast and recap watching, you happen to the dough finance as well, which was won by the Danish writer Yacob food sang who also won the race two years ago. Another big stage race win for Astana. They really are having a fantastic season, a kind of an interesting rate talked to Daniel about that, because it didn't star in traditional dolphin territory. Starting end introduce no definite territory. Just skirted with traditional donate territory. Daniel can Phyllis in on that when we talk about the dove name part one. But the highlights of the week really were other than fubo, Sang's win, head of vanguard or an and Emmanuel book Mun overall, the two stage victories for while we're not in the time trial, perhaps not. So surprisingly, while margin was surprising. Moggy was astonishing van garden. And Tom Demere lamb by well Gaudron by thirty one seconds and moon. I'm by forty seven second. He then followed up with a stage victory road stage victory in a sprint finish the following day. They're also stayed wins Julian L affiliate Sam Bennett, the Irish sprinter, whose keeps delivering victories for bore Hannah's grow, but won't be going to the tour de France Advil Bojan. Haugen Dylan turns while polls and Dylan Bala, where the other stage win is Adam Yates, led the race, but then fell ill over the final weekend and pulled out on the final day. So no overall result for him. So, yeah, an eventful dough for Nate this year the tour swish it underway. Well that still a few days to run. But so far Rohan. Dennis won the time trial napping. State wins for Louis Leon Sanchez VR and Peter Sagan only his third victory of the season quite surprising. Really? When you consider how prolific he is normally, perhaps signs of some formity bits to go for another green jersey tool Obse brilliantly from yes for Stephen for that of trek. Siegfried trek Siegfried is social media post afterwards talking about the conversation. Suggesting it was a friendly conversation between John begging carbon, yes. But still, even comparing notes about how the lead out Ghana, I would suggest it wasn't called you. It was generally one of the best I've ever seen. I'm forty I'm fortunate teammates. Of course, the Belgium tour also on that one by teenager, Remco van, Nepal. He also won a stage and victories for Tim Wellens in the time trial and Victor components while a real breakthrough victory for any Paul who had a lot of hype in his first year as of professional to current quickstep, and well winning the Belgium tour to Belgium is a significant victory for him. Chris Nolan's of Israel cycling, kademi, one or two of Hungary, and then there was also the Monto Denny valet challenge rice, which your holding your nose. You think they should have stink river right now, we had, we were tired at this before, maybe it will return to the loss of moose discussing this, I think is very flawed concept. While I thought of as a dredge dreadful race, I thought, look, right? I love onto. Two and the surprise paternity to see a rice on till one day race onto that it was interesting. The field wasn't great. But the deal between Roman body, and Hayes had oughta was interesting on, I mean day was coming out the door and wait finished. He finished tenth overall. Not brilliant week for him, and Harare, who won two stages, and the overall at the tour of Luxembourg and had a few days off really did a number on him. I thought it was interesting. Oh, it should venture the Balsam. They can they should before they claim. Just around cop and Tracy's, your idea for one day racy that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I would be it could be good. But yeah. Would would shooting they should include the descent down to what would they finish vase on Roman? So go over the talk on year round. And they've been good stages have told the Frantz finished while have gone over. The von to EROs poli is probably the most famous and told the front stays ever featuring onto and nineteen Ninety-four facing compensated, EROs poli after an epic breakaway similar, that would be would make more sense. I'll just didn't you know, I don't know how many teams are in the field, but I could identify about five climates in the whole field of over one hundred fifty riders, which is there a flex on how stretch the roster. And I just thought that was a bit of a shame. But this is a different issue at saying, it was not a great field and saying it's not great race or to issued. I'd agree with you on. Field. But I think this wasn't a great race this year. It wasn't a great race. But it was it was it was easy. One finishes nice. I news. Yeah, he's the one day race finishes on top amount, and ever going to be a good ever going to be toxic. Interesting rights, always suggest. No, that's like a time-trial you saying Daniel the classic out one day race which was not as hard as writing move onto it was kind of medium, almost like a medium mountain stage of the Tudor. Franche back in the day, wasn't it? Unpack also coming day off to the dolphin, not the ideal slot. Maybe as a warm up for the dolphins would would be better. But maybe I'm biased because, you know, I went and rode on two three years ago, made a fringe the puck special, which is on the free podcast feed. For a limited time, only if you want to hear. Be quick because I think it'd be taken down again to hear heavy breathing. Swear words as well. The, the, the language advisory notice on the old on the podcast for that one. But that's valuable for people to listen to if they want one other small of news from the other week was that was the hemisphere latest Bahamas Racine in Limburg in the Netherlands, that was won by quickstep a next year in February. There will be a homicide event for men and the first women's event held in Columbia. So something to look forward to maybe that would be my debut homicide. Rates are quite funds to Colombia in February. London. Brighton semi classic feature news roundup we all wrote down. You didn't ride the London Brian, but Richard you and I rode with Simon photographer and rural at them by pulse goings. David Luxton various members of cycling podcast team Rosa mainly as well. Chogm Kerry as well colleague from the telegraph, and it was a great terrible. Weather wasn't it? Terrible weather, but it was nice to arrive in Brighton on the beach. I'm so far. We've raised fourteen hundred pounds for the British heart foundation, which is the charity that runs the London to Brighton ride. And if you'd like to talk up well. Well, why? No, it's a great. It's a great charity. And we are grateful to their support in terms of sponsoring the podcast for a few episodes in the last few weeks, you can go to just giving dot com slash the hyphen cycling, hyphen, podcast, and well, you can donate as little as two pounds and if everyone who had a heart donated two pounds. 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Indeed, to raffle for our being our headline sponsor can cast them. We are very appreciative of their support on line, very honored last night, hosted event organized by Simon tra- Rafic raising money for ambitious about autism. And that was good. Fun. I must also mention the latest e f gone racing film by made by Rafeh you'll find on their YouTube channel and it covers Lachlan Morton, Alex hose, and tiller Fini's efforts at dirty Kanza recently I am. This is the first of their kind of alternative calendar things and have it's like pyrite from millennials. Twenty six minutes long. It is the film. So it's the longest one and it's really good. I, I recommend I watched this morning and, and didn't know much about dirty cans, Luke fantastic. Look, great fun, actually, on. So. Yeah. Have a have a look is really worth watching. We'll you're just from the dolphin and it was a dramatic race a great poll. He's a poll rice rice. Point of view, but lots of drama, not least Chris from. Yeah. The, the route wasn't particularly set up for a dramatic finale with engage Matic finale. The, the final stage was. Well, it was a mountain stage. But more of a medium mountain stage. The climbs were not particularly steep. There was a tailwind on the final stage, so yeah, we expected to be a grand finale, something similar to the dove nee two years ago. Yeah. Could fool sang one snatch from Ritchie Paul, where Paul was under pressure moments from kilometers air, on the final day we've seen that few times in the last years have been humdinger of final stages. But this one alas was a bit of a dump squib. The weather was pretty terrible for good harp of the racial cold and wet. And Reuters where they suffering from the effects. I mean Yates kind of fail was that weather related do not think so napalm, I think probably the weather conditions were pretty Biblically bad on the Saturday, hailstorms. And we thought one stays stage wasn't going to finish it did. But yeah, if you guys suffered Stephen cries wykes suffered as well on the last day fell ill Yates as well, the kind of el-nessim, we think they'll probably get over in, in spicy two or three days, shouldn't, they stay three weeks out from Toyota fronts affect their preparations too much. I wouldn't have thaw Fru Fru you message us Daniel just that was where. I heard about his crush key just tell us because they're, obviously weren't warming out for the time Trump thing there reconnaissance when the accident happened how where were you? How did you hear about a hundred word filter buying moonlighting my other role? I was working for TV and definition, what usually happens on time trial day is where we have a highlights programme for the definite. So in the morning, we'll typically go out onto the cool to fill some of the wreckage which the footsie will them use for two voiceover. Gary like back in the studio in London will then say Chris for his Chris firm this morning going out on his records. That's what we did we had word for any else. The previous day they were gonna go about twelve o'clock. We positioned ourselves from three or four the cameramen, and I we positioned ourselves three or four kilometers down the route. Before any us, would you to get there? So we pretty much the whole field come through on their record as then we saw while POWs on Chris firm. The footage is kinda gone viral because there are not many journalists out, the defend not many TV crews, we were the people who found the wreck on there was a cotton curious. And as it turned out, sort of serendipitous. So Allman, a conversation between while Powell's and Chris firm that we overheard, and was called on the camera, while Powell's ten Christopher not to take any risks. He was sort of joking, as firm was putting on a long sleeved jersey, and yes, then they disappeared climb on the route that we're going to do this climb and. And then descend back into Rolon. In the meantime, we'd gone back to row on the teams are all setup outside the pressuring pretty much. We have to send off to then which we did takes awhile probably took us half an hour. So we went back out to the bus expecting Chris room to, to be back into finishing his record, and we've been told they would speak to afterwards anyway, we waited longer than we expected to way. And. And. A certain point that the press officer George came over and said, Chris won't be speaking when he comes back. And we sort of laughed and what have we done? We shall we kind of upset him in the time between us filming on the record and you know, now and Joyce didn't respond to that thing. Anyway. He he then went off. We, we saw with hindsight. What was scenes of consternation around the bus, we didn't know what was going on, then Dave browse came over and said, look firm crashed, it's bad. He's going to be out with the Twitter FRANZ and, and. Yeah. And that was the, the bombshell, dropping at that point when you working for. Television, you got love decisions to make. You go to the hospital ease for most for the hospital it out he wasn't not still. We didn't know that stage. And we were also told the that be more comment from any us injury course. So we decided am having spoken to our director, the best thing to do to stay at the team bus and not to go off to the hospital in line. We actually might be airlifted to send them we thought we might go to Leon. So that was difficult it difficult to get back out onto the course that the cost was a kind of loop and it would have mean how it would have meant to cross the cost a couple of times. So they're all sorts of things that just made it seem risky to kind of pursue the story in that way. So we stayed at the bus they browse for spoke to us about half three and it was only off to that we found out the from was still the point that the spot where he'd crushed, and then we started hearing from few people who've seen it, Don Maltin. It seen it said, PK off friend, the voice of. Ice radio also writes radio that he had seen from shortly after Crowder. It seeing the scene developing with ambulances and so forth. And with at the scene for a couple of hours. Well, yes. With with medics who? Yes. As far as. Yeah. I think two is was what was mentioned afterwards by most people keep reported about two hours. I'm certainly substantial amount of time. And, and as I say that came as the price to, to pretty much everyone everyone who was back in Roanne reporting. The story was well, how does seem there was under the impression that by that time he was long on the TV crew from Danish television TV two gone to roll onto the hospital? They got pretty much nothing. I think finally they did see any team car because firm was that for short time in Rohan but yeah, it's, you know, I mean when most Patil you mean. Yeah yeah the hospital. And then I'm not sure exactly what time he was lifted away, but we sort of covered the story to a large extent by that point. And the order, we go to then refocus on the on the time-trial itself because by the. Point, it was sort of half three four in the afternoon. The leaders were going out comb back in, and you know, it was also very clear from what we're hearing about the Christ. It wasn't a routine collarbone break Webuye Fru, my been in a position to give us an interview later that day from his hospital bed. It was much more serious than that. So we have to leave the story alone. There's also part of you doesn't want to be. I mean, obviously defer to your director, but you don't wanna be sort of voyeuristic and mawkish about the thing going to the hospital and sort of, you know, wondering into into hospital wards uninvited. Although sometimes, you know, certain all right, we'll probably ask that of you. I mean. A freakish accident in respects the fact that happened on on the record and the it was, you know, taking is hands off the bars and being blue into this wall was very blustery day was a windy day. It was quite windy. I mean we definitely remote to cameramen government an annoy in the morning. Our on the cool watching the guys go on record as. Difficult to know on a bike on a time trial by with the disc will. But yeah, it was it was pretty blustered wasn't fine weather. I mean, I think if you watch the tonsure later that day the weather was fairly fair, I hadn't been the case in the morning. And as I understand it suddenly where the crash happened. It was owned say it was built up area. But the were you know. Houses, either side of the road detached houses with sort of gardens in between them. So I think were wind tunnel kind of wins, and as I understand it, that it was at a point like that way did feel well, he was kind of buffeted by the wind. But, you know, the other thing is people wondered, why haven't been filmed hadn't been seen by members of the public the dolphin Avia. I mean if you go back and watch footage of any stations definite last week, you realise how few people attend the definite. I mean it's ghosts to most is it starts and finishes in tiny villages Rowen's reasonable size town. But this was a village five or six comes outside row on, I don't know if there was anyone the roads hard at that point way did crush, but it's quite conceivable that small harmful of people who were even could even conceivably have witnessed that Dan Martin, obviously, was following wasn't an he gave. Well, he's he spoke about their so later, he'd always been quite shaken up by because it looked them shocking to him, but the severity of injuries thing to everybody by surprise. You know, I mean hours in surgery to stabilize life as well. Yeah. So along along road back for a writer, who's just turned thirty four. Yeah. And well, I mean, we wish we'd be speculating about, you know, how a that recovery will go. But you're right. He's a long road back in and it completely changes team, any overseas plans for the two of the France fairly short notice. I mean, Richard diversity had. The situation earlier in the season with that gun banal, who was post to go to the Jiro as in your sheets team leader. And then he had a crash alleged. On the record any speculation on my part in a in an earlier podcast was uninformed incorrect, speculation on the record. So. In the tree. We'll Daniels presented me with photographic evidence of, of Bernal's that scar following his surgery on his color, sir. I'm happy except that. Well, banal will be the two of the FRANZ, of course, on the only we I mean, the reason why I suggested that Bernal's crush might not happen was because back in March I spoke to somebody at team skies. It was then and they spoke by really quite advanced plunge to remove all from the Jiro and put them in the team and was the first newspaper back. I'm but now. No. And the reason the reason why am you know, I thought that there might be some effort to know appear to take the team by choices because there was quite pressure. On team sky to a having won the Jiro the previous year up good defensive at this year have either Gary Thomas or Bernal in the race. Thomas didn't want to go, and Pena rela Weller bike sponsor. Maybe influential Nisar sponsor of the Jiro and they're telling company and Thomas oversee wants to go back to defend his title. And Burnell was, you know, leading the team out Jiro and it just all seemed quite convenient. 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Whoa. We think Thomas will recover. We, we don't know what kind of impact this will have on his on his preparations. Now I mean by a series of total coincidences, it may well transpire that what happens is that Brennan does lead team any os into the third fronts. What about while Pozzo who won the most difficult stage of the dolphin in pretty impressive? Circumstantial. I mean, he really why he sprung a light move that left everyone standing really and not like a statement of intent, almost would you put your money on Bernal or. Polls. I don't know. I mean no clearly has. Kind, the the pedigree in the sense of, you know, just kind of a. A real talent pose. We kind of know bit more about a bit more of a known quantity. Whereas banal we don't really know yet how he will how he will hold up under the pressure of leading team and trying to actually win the tour de France. I mean. The big difference between finishing in the. Top twenty top ten five three and actually winning the race. I mean, they are big, big jumps on. And as talented obviously is, you know, can he can he can do it? We just don't know yet. We don't really have enough evidence to go and where it Paul. And that's what quite exciting about the prospect of bound, all Thomas. We know we can use last year's races to kind of benchmark, assuming that he's he's. Unhealthy when the race starts polls, we kind of know that he, he blows bit haunting code over three weeks, but that's because he's being in a team role. And I guess we've not really seen him as a leader beyond that team though. What did we learn from the DOE Finney by other contenders? Not least Figel sign the revelation of the season. Well, full sung was imperious really from start to finish from the second day when there was a bit of unexpected general classification action in the contact region, and food time bonus. He was the best of the general codification writers. He was never really in trouble, any fat, little look, the strongest of the general classification ride is the strongest of. Well in a field that has a pretty stellar climbing talent in it. The best climbers, really we've seen this year. Tibo Pino, Adam Yates strongest. And really looked like a different ride different animal from the food. We've known. Over the past few years. He's been a good writer, solid writer, but, you know, he's always been twelve grand toes in his career as finished in the top ten twice won seventh place, one tenth place, and he, I mean, some of those a lot of those grand tools have been in support of, of other writers. But he someone who struggled in grand tools, and price of the year. He's also right, that no one really would have picked out as a threat to win the toward fronts. I now think he's, he's in the top three or four riders is most likely to win it very different. When the I mean his win a couple years ago is real smashing. Grab a fairly benefited from the other guy in up Ritchie, poor. This was very, very different type of win. You know, he was as you say the strongest in the race and support by a really, really strong team who were watching them, you know, dominate the dolphin then go have different team, Switzerland ride very strongly there as well. Yeah. And I'll just sense with him. The I mean he's talking about confidence, and there's no doubt that I started having a stellar season. Whatever the reasons all having an incredible seasons particularly stage races the number stage races. They've won this years quite staggering before saying, seems like a right. He's suddenly become very comfortable in his own skin. He's already chief more this season. Why Nuff to make the season, an unqualified success and even the dolphin? I asked him on the last morning, every wasn't to win it would it be a big drama. And he said, well, not really, because my season in a certain sense. She could consider it complete ready. He'd already won the definition. It was very cool phlegmatic about that. I kind of feel these gains point about the even the tool and possibly everything else left in his Chris thirty four years old. And he just seems to me to be sort of very. Serene. And that kind of serenity is obviously enabling to get the best out of himself, and he's also backed up by this incredibly strong team of very aggressive. Reuters climate not team that's going to ride the tour in the same way that any us would ride the tour of catenaccio style with. Six riders on the front sending a false tempo. That's what Astanin did on the last date starner's style tends to be more aggressive. They send goes down the road. They, they like to counterattack so it will be very it'd be a very different kind of race if all saying, is to win it, but I go Jones, I think the censorship of now or never for somebody like who sang this season. I mean you you mentioned results just to run through the stage race on one day results so far this season second at Strada Bianca. Third, the gold race second flesh will only one liaise sternly as your course. And then in the stage he's third. Torino Adriano fourth two of the Basque country and now winning the dolphin that is a real collection of, of results that kind of put you in mind, a little bit of the, the sort of the Bradley weekends. Chris room Garryowen momentum, the momentum guiding from the sprain, to the tool, and so you. Right. And the tour is all about confidence momentum, and well, we, it's a lot more defensive in a way than than dying. The other guy thing falls into that category. And who would probably be talking about how to finish races me, as you know, he was on the brink of second overall Adelphia. He's similar, maybe not quite as spectacular a strong, as you know series of results all year, and he's carrying into the tears. Well, and probably banished most doubts, about his time, trialling with a very strong ride in the time trial. You know, they're only there's any one individual time trial in France this year. It's not that long as twenty seven kilometers, a climbing as the wasn't the time the day finished say I didn't he's gonna have not much impact. We're talking you talking one minute minute and a half from the best juicy Ryder for probably Friday not time trial. That's all he has to make up. And I think people have not really realizing knowledged enough, just how hard this is told France route is one of those gnarliest most. Challenging for years. I was looking at today, there are ten definite GC days, whether it's there's no doubt, Lobi movement on general customization. And there are probably full mabis on top of that. You've got the cool made to roseland. The is our own Val. Turin galley twombly, which climbs. It's over an hour of climbing seven times to two thousand meters in three days in the Alps. So, you know, all that you all the up and I think. One for the climates. Is those difficulties do give me some reservations about fool sighing on some of the other guys, you might think so borderline? They've not really done in the PawSox to me winner of this, toilet FRANZ is someone who is a bit of an expert, negotiating not just a few pitfalls, negotiating not just a few g c days, but they're going to have to negotiate a lot of them. And I think that is going to be a huge task of, of someone's varieties ability to sort of construct that three weeks which we've talked about before, with guarantee Mus and Richie guys who had a tendency to crash, or they've had a tendency to have a bad day, full sung to be honest full into that category. 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When I say, I hear the chance in my head SIS EP, twenty five signs of sport dot com and dying consciously the women's tour covers there was a very 'em spectacular effort by Orla one day and her story of the stage to she included. Everyday local literature, and song, references in her story of the sage one day of the day that went all the way around Coventry. To combine the two local literally heavyweights Philip Larkin on Donyell free. If you call Coventry, it went all the way in Coventry, and it was really do. Is. Yeah. Listen, it's really puts from your wonderful and today boggles of Eddie marks, and they were Sanguede into about Larkin difficult to tell them apart to be difficult. I mean, literally John Soviet literary. Giants started sensibility. Larkin's book on Eddy. Merckx is excellent. Third, third marks the biography anyway will be returning to the Eddy. Merckx fair think before the tour will some point and picking up some loose threads from the dolphin Trump, the Mulan when they're having Chrysler Jiro, and eventually didn't perform hamsters, even wished in the time-trial, while an art, one and the signs from Damola aren't encouraging. Are they now I didn't think so. I thought he was also I'm just spoke to him few times on. He seemed bit sheepish about the need for the still talking about it. If I was still talking about it already was was a little bit alarming. And then he pulled out and went to Holland supposedly more checks, more scans and already the dust, generally south the dolphin sense, something fairly major was up. On the things we're not had not gone, according to plan and because he was ju- back in the couple of days later for training camp. And then what we've subsequently found out that he did, how he had another minor operation on the knee, and I think it was it yesterday the day before he was on his way back to the hour. They turn unturned round, I think when he was two hours down the road, turn back having decided that I wasn't quite ready for for this yet, which is a bit worrying because the way it was put to us the day on Sunday was the least training company outs he'll be able to do exactly the exercises. His knee could definitely could definitely coat with the moment rather than in a race basically being have having to respond to Ray circumstances. Almost being kind of bent out of shape on the other hand this operation to remove some. Shrapnel. Some some somebody from his knee, which he picked up the Jiro thought resolves. The problem is because he's been getting pain is the that's clearly why if it sounds like a pretty minor procedure. If not resolves the problem then, you know, he's still got a couple of weeks to get over that and be fit for the, the question may be the lack of racing in the lock of preparation and this might apply to Gary Thomas. Yeah, I mean I looked earlier rich days of racing this year because it struck me. I mean I finished I told him not rights very much tool if he doesn't race again. So he crossed Switzerland. He will have twenty four days of racing by the time he lines up the Toda FRANZ, I think problems even more worrying thirty six since last year's toward France. Twelve that's the end of last year. And I think he's any really competed in warm race competed us in sort of race for a result. And that was a Twitter Romany way came third. But food, Sang's, thirty two days of racing before all will have maybe thirty three dozen national championships doom on twenty seven thirty five. I just looked some from the last few years lost Thomas was twenty nine going back from that from twenty six twenty six twenty seven Niebling, two thousand fourteen forty two races forty two days before the tour de France. So from thirty Wiggins thirty Evans twenty under thirty seven so the kind of the sort of bull pop figure has been around thirty twenty four is not very many, but guarantee also crash threatening drastic he had an complimentary short because of snow, and these are the building blocks that you need, then you send steam of that last year when guarantee won the tour he did. So because everything is going, right? Nothing gone wrong, and somebody like from who you know, seemed apparently to really turn himself around. He's seen. To be able to do that, where other guys can't do it quite so, so easily by all kinds. I mean, we, you know, we heard that Thomas and firmware were knocking lump serve each other and ten from both going Mary. Well recently, so, and you want to, you know, set about the tone of FRANZ and saw false start to this year's toward Frantz. You mountain state media mountain stages in the vote very early like before the end of the first week is not does that help or hinder, someone who comes in without who's maybe a little bit rusty not while it'd be fresh, but maybe not quite race ready. I mean on on the one hand, we'll obviously, it's not it doesn't have them. But then if the rice sort of decant quickly, and, you know, the general classification starts to take shape quite quickly that could make you a bit less. Stressful. You know someone who's worried about crushing oil vulnerable to crush someone Thomas husband in, in the posits face it. You know, you'd be worried about maybe eight days of flood stages, which end in bunch sprints with guaranteed homeless just based on his on his past records might help him the. The battle kicks off very quickly. I don't know could be hard couldn't the first stage going over the moon, the boss Berg. I mean even if they don't race it like the two of Florida's it still would about punch and positioning and a bit of lock, and avoiding any crashes and then a team time trial, which is it's not not long or you know, particularly daunting. That's a really intense effort where. You know, somebody will get cold out and lose more than you'd expect and the momentum will be set very early on. And like you say Daniel the witness stand, I, I think this lap launch DeVille fee stages on the Thursday. So there's no not. No gentle introduction to the tour tool this year. And as you forty said, really from the midway point in the ratio is on every night, something significant every single day all the way up to up to Paris. Oh, no, no easing. I don't think no kind of you know, no downtime, significant downtime. So looking incredibly open are we going to preview the fronts the next? That would everything leads to the tool now. I mean well, you look in and offers clues for clues. And sometimes those clues a real kind of direction. I mean saying is kind of the topic, do your now isn't a TJ vanguard or probably the worst possible result for him finishing second because that ramps expectations on him being fifth in the tool twice before we kind of the big American hope. It'll be a lot of expectation now on him. And well we've seen in the past, you know, one of the things he doesn't particularly seem to, like a lot of expectation on his shoulders. And maybe he was ready to fly to not win. While he sits me on Sunday, Rigoberta around his their leader couching because. Roots was writing very well. He had to illness as well. It didn't he was writing very well the dolphin they've gone. Very good well-balanced team Betty, all is well going there. And and just on the first week always find fascinating. And this was also the case of the Jerry just to see how different teams approach this question of the first week. And we talked to the Jaroslaw about how Mitchell turn tennis Rama lady with rulers in sending away to be MC did when Cadel Evans won the toward France. And then on the other hand, you have team like Donna, who? Well, that's not their forte and never house been on. They will look to rise completely differently in one of those approaches, obviously will prove to be the right approach with, with this shes first week for ten days being the way they all I'm what about while Venar, then one two stages, a time trial and a sprint and look good season. And it's going to the to the fr. For the first time with you MBA visa, I'm Primoz rogue late. She's not going to the to the front having initially we think being planning to the Jiro and the tour obviously, he's Jiro unraveled having looked so good. So good that Richard crowned him the winner after nine one day, stay one day one and again after nine or ten days seem being beaten, but he unraveled pretty spectacularly didn't they? They finished third. Yeah. But it was all he was it was tumbling downhill I wasn't. Do you not think I think, I think he's, he's being judged by some expectations go into the race rather than the actual result? Well, judged by the, the first ten days shortly. I mean he looked look. Yeah. I mean Simonyi tumbled in the classification last year. I think rogue lich finish on the podium is not. No boundaries. Oh, but, but we could see his former dipping and so I think we said that we'd be surprised if he if he rode the tour given given the season he's hard. So while though I mean dreams and Oreo is he could be a credible challenger, Peter so again, in the race for the green jersey kaffa what you said about vinyl because a couple of the Belgian colleagues all Belgian cutting definite telling me that he reads, absolutely everything written about. Ordina. I'm often McCall meant to journalists defending journey following day. Yeah. Fine. On your toes. So Kenny challenge pizzas. Daniel. He shouldn't be able to erase it shouldn't be able to because he will have his hands full, it will have his hands full trying to complete well more than eight consecutive days of racing for the first time in his life, Hammurabi his hands. Full in Dillinger Nevada lead out train and presumably also be expected to on those days that we mentioned in the vote, which is already the first week. And he'll have to do something for Stephen cries wake so that so no sorry. Sorry, while if you're listening before we wrap things up. Can we just mention Remm cleven the polls fiction? Absolutely spot on how long before Remco it becomes just single. And I'm just a Renton just Remco and thing in the line of shock, and, but Michael and nineteen years old. You know. Nineteen years old. Quite quite controversy. I think Joe Volterra said that he had tax popular fair to address them dying for Saney, teen year old and putting him onto that pressure of writing the world through it already. And he's not the easiest of years, but he's showing flashes, you know the Tomlin that he's clearly got. But I think we all wondered whether the just not winning frequently as they did before turning professional might just wear him down a bit. And I think to a Belgian, I think if he goes onto become. A great champion point. Loop back on this tour Belgium in this first year in the same way that we look back on. You know, Greg LeMond early results or something as being a sign of the talent and the way we live on tonight who's writing that race didn't Remco. Revenue police said he was writing that race. And his teammate camping arts was second, the companies, you know, maybe not in the road racing cyclist in the world, the world record holder, very strong time trials and evidence just ruled them off. It's a couple of days. No just company, but Tim Wellens as well. He's a very, very -ccomplish writer and a strong writer, and it was a really impressive display. Material Belgium stage win was was kinda reminiscent of his world championship win last year. He just seems right. People wheel Adam by gave us figures by the walk C that compensates was putting out just to try and keep up with them. And I will send it high. Law watts and the guy's clearly a huge talent huge engine. And it it's just a case team. The current quickstep of trying to manage that and trying to let release a certain points while. No just keeping the pressure off. I think criticizing lefavor for signing someone who clearly is a big talent because a teenager, I think not so bit strange. I think the kids how they do share you mentioned that when you have lunch with. Maybe I will. Yeah. The, the keys is, is, you know, kind of a quick quick, slow approach expose him to something. I mean let's let's not forget the Belgium for a world tour rice. I mean it's a big deal in Belgium, and that would certainly have caught the eye of the media. They're NFL winning, but not. It wasn't a super over exposing him to racing unless not overlook the fact that if current quickstep hadn't signed him, somebody else would have done that how sport works and there's no. No benefit in even short-term, flogging, the Wally still a teenager. They they've got to be gentle with him. I think well, if ever deserves some critical comments in the press about event oppose white, and, you know. The fact that he too. It's too heavy for the super skinny world of the world tour, be a little bit more gentle on that sense. I mean, I'll give him some time. I think. I think it is. Yeah, it is. But. Yeah. This is in a way. It's the same as you know, expecting results from him isn't it is pressure on maybe. Age and say sage development he shouldn't be under the pressure to perform and win races or to be as skinny, as he'll probably need to be when he's thrown maybes. But what do we know? We're not managing anybody. We can barely manage our selves. I was going to mention something else there just quickly on that team to couldn't quick set. We're speaking after. L A Viana one having obviously been disappointed Jiro not not win. And it was really noticeable higher effective eveland par, and Michael Markov in particular, were for Vivianne e and you look, I mean obviously Advani will go to France with with those two guys to help him there. And you wonder if, if Mark of in particular it'd be Jiro as he was last year. Maybe Viviana would've won a couple of stages there because he's so he's such a goodly not only out perfectly. He then just drifted ever so slightly to the right to peed. Pizza gone a little bit with I break any rules are, you know, it was just created a little bit more space for science come round and help via the best. Sprinter the tour. Well, that that's why wonder painting. We'll be told me typo. Well, they told me tadpole Greenwich Fagan, did you did you this completely poss- me by a how, but. For me with these rumors to muscle Kissel is gonna sign for him by bismuth hurt. Hurt that, and I thought about, I thought there is a team there who really do need a fast sprinter. And, and maybe she go there, but I remember the team catoon hours say, yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't really probably work. But yeah. That wasn't remember wasn't it? What would that? I mean, what would not be for to ride something resembling, a b program, interesting? Yeah, that was what I heard of the definite. But it's it's a rumor the stage. Well, should we before we go? Actually, I should mention that we having sold. I of limited edition mugs that made by Stacey Snider at the Jiro. She's producing more monks for the Tertre fronts, and all money raised from sales of the mugs will go to a good cause are good causes, please Santa the nomination. And if you know many good cause for the Jiro, and we didn't pick you apologies because we got some great nominations, just know many again, don't be put off don't think that because you're wasn't. He said, I won't be this time round. And we were couple that we're really, you know, close to picking Los, I'm writing. So please do send again. Contact. 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