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All right. Let's go back. So for people who know baseball, Mark to share is a big big big big name for people who don't know baseball north people out there. You know, we'll we'll expose them to you. Let's start with you as a kid talk about growing up. Baltimore. I believe talk about growing up as a kid your family. Your dad was a naval academy. Graduate just describe you your family, and especially sports. Yes. So I kind of had one of those, you know, just really cool childhoods where both my parents were around. I had older sister. You know, my dad being a navy guy. Graduated from the academy was it was tough on me. But fair, and you really kinda gave me. A, you know, a blueprint of how to act and treating people with respect, and, you know, keeping my hair short, and, you know, making sure I said, yes, sir. And yes, ma'am, and those type of things things that he learned in at the naval academy. And so I was just really lucky to have a family around me that you know, gave me every opportunity to succeed. I've played every sport as a kid. We didn't have, you know, the cell phones and all the cool technology back in in the day. When I grew up in a park, Maryland. So I went outside and played was baseball your best sport from the outset. Always and actually enjoyed playing basketball more. I played backyard football. I played soccer tennis. And but I I was always good at baseball. So I knew baseball was going to be a sport for my future. Can you pinpoint the moment or whatever day month year when you kinda said to yourself like, oh, I'm way better than everybody else. Yes. You and most kids grow up being. You know, if you're an elite athlete you're going to be the best kid on your team. But you never really think you're gonna make it until you get that I call or letter from a pro scout. And I was a sophomore in high school and pro scouts started showing up to my games. And that's when I was talking to my coaches and talking to my dad and talking to some of these scouts saying, wow, I could actually play professional baseball. How cool is that right now your role model as I understand? It was Don Mattingly. Yes, they're my role models. My dad my favorite player growing up was Don Mattingly. And so he was a guy that I love the way he played the game. I loved his his sweet swing. So smooth at first base and growing up in Baltimore. I love karaoke and loved Eddie Murray. But Mattingly there's something about Donny baseball that just you know, really grabbed me as a young kid. Right. Okay. So of course, he was a longtime and beloved in very very good first baseman for the Yankees. Also, very good defensive first baseman Yu became exactly that many years later. I am just curious more of a care. Dr issue. You said your dad was your role model and one can see how that worked for you Mattingly was your favorite player strikes me that his character was not that different from your dad's. Keep your head down. Right. I'm just curious. What if your favorite player had been Reggie Jackson? Would you have become a different kind of player in person? You know, what I think that's a great question. I think I chose somebody like Don mattingley because of his character. And you know, I while some of these players, you know, today have lots of flash and flair, and you know, I liked the grinders. I I wasn't blessed with amazing speed and just athletic ability that used out of my pores, but I felt like I had a gift to hit a baseball, and I grinded with everything else. Yeah. Everything else in my career. I had to work for when you say a gift, you know, there's this huge debate in everything in life anything that involves what we call talent. So it could be sports. But it could be medicine. You name it about the difference between. A nurture and nature and B talent versus you know, work in what's called deliberate practice at ten thousand our will tell me where you come down on that. Obviously, you have yourself as an example. And we know that you were physically talented from an early age, but talk about what it was that got you to be a professional the highest level. If I think the gift is number one because without the gift, you can't take a kid that has zero athletic ability and just happens to be a hard worker. And he goes to the big leagues you at any given time there's a thousand big leaguers out there, but there's probably ten thousand players whether in college or amateur baseball or low professional ranks that are good enough to someday make talent wise. Yes, there's ten thousand talented players with a gift it's of those ten thousand players, which are the ones that work hard enough, which are the ones that figure it out which are the ones that get it that make the right decisions. And and you train the right way and eat the right way and do preparation for games. Those are the ones that make it. So I think the gift is first, but then you have to put the time in can you think of a particular player or a group of players who when you were either in high school or college, obviously, we know you were very very good. But maybe you saw some guys who looked to be on the surface more talented than you and didn't make. Yeah, they're the the most talented player that I ever saw as an amateur was Corey Patterson and guys that no baseball. He was the fourth or fifth overall pick from the Chicago Cubs my draft year, and he had a decent big league career. But talent wise, I would kill for his talent. And you know, he had some injuries and just, you know, couldn't quite make it over the top. But talent wise there were a ton of guys that I thought had more talent than me. But I thought I figured it out. What what do you mean that figured it out means you in high school, you know, by the time, I was a sophomore? And I knew I had a chance I started preparing. So I started. Working out and and actually called the Florida state baseball coach because they were the number one team in the country that time and said, can you please just send me your workout regimen? And so I started doing the Florida state baseball workout regimen. You know, I didn't go to my high school homecoming for three straight years because I was playing fall baseball. You know, I didn't I didn't do a lot of stuff in the summertime. Played seventy games every summer. My friends are going to concerts, my friends are, you know, having a good time at the beach and all these kinds of things, and I just figured out young how to make it. And I think that helped me as I went along in the big leagues because you don't have your stuff every day or every year, even you gotta figure it out as you go, right? Okay. So you were a phenomenally talented and bed. -able let's say high school prospect. I love you to tell a story about your graduating high school. I don't know if you know what you were ranked in the in the country at the time, I'd love to know. And then also this the scenario where the Boston Red Sox. Awesome wanted you. But they behaved in a way that was I think pretty bizarre. So tell us that episode. Yes. This was the the moment that I realized that baseball is a business. And I was the twelfth rated prospect in the draft that year, my senior year for all intents and purposes, I should've been a top fifteen pick. Right. So top top fifteen pick in the first round of the draft. The Red Sox that you had the ninth pick. They called me up before the draft and said, hey, we want you to take this signing bonus was one point five million dollars. When take you to sign on bonus agreed to this pre-draft deal will draft you and you'll get started. Well, first of all that's illegal. You're not allowed to release in those days. You weren't allowed to pre negotiate a deal when you're an amateur. So I said that's not really what I'm gonna do right now. So, you know, we'll we'll negotiate later after you draft me because you're an amateur or because it was unfair to other teams that you can't jump the draft like that. And get your guy both both. Yes. So so my agent said, you know, this is it's unethical it happens, but don't do this. And you'll get more money. You know later if you don't sign, and so I said, okay. You know, what a roll the dice. If the Red Sox don't draft me some other team will draft me, and I'll be fine. Well, draft day comes you know, was going to be the coolest day of my life. The most exciting day of my life. Not only was I not the ninth pick. I dropped to the ninth row. So that's like two hundred seventy or something right and drags memes. Boston Red Sox Boston Red Sox? They called every single team in baseball and said to share is not sign and he's going to Georgia Tech don't draft them. And you know, what it was a great life lesson for me because I became a businessman that day, and it it actually helped me out for the rest of my career when I was dealing with contracts. All right. So that scenario is what led you to go ahead and go to college to Georgia Tech. How many years did you? Stay there years say best three years of my life, met your wife there and had a black. Last became a better baseball player. And. Yeah. One of those moments in life that things happen for reason. Absolutely. This was all meant to be you were prepared though, if you'd been drafted, let's say, I let's say it was by the Red Sox. And let's say you had signed for the even the deal that they had offered before the draft would you've taken that and gone progun strike. Yeah. I think I would have you know, if I grew up with a certain set of of expectations and ethics, and when when my agent, my adviser tells me, this is unethical. This isn't really the right way to do things. Don't do this. I took his advice. I took his council, and you know, when a team shows you the business side of baseball. You gotta get smart. And I did your agent at the time was I believe Scott Boris, correct? Yes. Who at that time was already a big deal would go onto become easily the most dominant agent in baseball. How did you get connected with him? Then. Yeah, I became a really top prospect before my senior. So in my junior summer before my senior year, I went to a wood bat tournament, which was up, you know, all the top prospects and in high school baseball went to this tournament. And I was the only gotta hit a home run. So all the scouts. Oh my goodness. Look at this kid from Maryland, we've heard about him, but you know, you had a home run in this tournament. And you know, now, he jumps to the top of the list of high school players and Scott bores office called me that summer and said, we'd love to talk to you met with Scott and his group, and they were far and above anybody else in the business in terms of professionalism -fession, listen their preparation their knowledge of the market their knowledge of amateur baseball. They gave you a really good sense of. Okay. This is the landscape of baseball. This is what your career is going to look like. And this is how you should make decisions based on that. So you signed with Boras. We'll jump ahead now, we'll come back you sign with Boris. And he was your agent for for many years, and he helped you sign or helped you get or you got with him your ultimate. L which was in two thousand nine coming into the New York Yankees. Correct. Yep. Eight year one hundred eighty million dollar deal. Correct. Yep. All guaranteed all guarantees baseball. Eric now, interestingly, however, you split with Boris a few years into that. And I guess on the one hand understand like why do you need an agent anymore? Once you're signing. What's gonna be the last deal in your career? But why why did you split and talk to me about the relationship of an athlete like you N an agent like him. Yeah. You know, when I split with Boris. It was more practical reasons than anything else. It wasn't. We didn't have a falling out. There was none of that. But I was in New York and using L A, and when you play for the New York Yankees and your the starting first baseman, and you know, there's all these things that are put on your plate. You kind of need your agent closer. And so no pun intended. I hired kacie close who happens to be a New York guy. He'd worked with Derek Jeter and the Yankees for for years and years, and so really understood the landscape of the Yankees, and New York, and and charity and. And marketing and all these things that happen. And so it just made me a little bit more comfortable being with an agent. Again. I didn't really need an agent, but just someone that could help me in New York and be closer. So I guess that gets the question of what does an agent actually do for Nath like you at that level. And also, maybe help people understand the difference between you know, in some industries and in entertainment, a lot of entertainers have an agent and a manager. And they may have, you know, eighteen other advisers, and so on when we think of an age, we usually only here Asia with an athlete when they're negotiating you're signing the deal or when something goes wrong, and so on, but you're talking about all the different elements that come with being a major league athlete. So a what does an agent do or or should they do? And then be why what did you get Casey close involved in? Yeah. Well, what an agent does is he he really helps support you from the time you sign your first contract or even before your first contract and navigate you through the business waters, the professional waters, and all of the things that can happen to you until you. A free agent in baseball. You don't make your living your career until you're a free agent. And so what Scott bores did for me which was hit. He's the best at it at eighteen years old. We started our relationship, and he taught me so much about the game him and some of his associates Bob brower was kind of my right hand, man. Mike fewer he has a great group of guys around in this ad. Okay. Texture eighteen right now when you're twenty six or twenty eight you're going to be a free agent, and these are the things that you have to accomplish in your life and your baseball career to get you to free agency. That's where I think agents in baseball provide the most value once you sign your eight year deal. You don't really need them much book. But what Casey did for me when I hired him in two thousand eleven I believe was you know, the Yankees, there's a lot of charity stuff that you're involved, and there's a lot of off the field distractions, and you know, started getting hurt a little bit and you deal with with second opinions, and you deal with general managers questioning what's going on with. Techs, and does he need surgery? That's where an agent later in your career can really help is helping you take some of that pressure off your shoulders when when problems have and what about business opportunities is that their job to help bring some to you or maybe filter out the bad from the good if marketing opportunities. Yes. But you know, honestly baseball players don't have a lot of marketing opportunities. But unless you're Derrick jeeter or Mike trout, you know, I did a handful of deals a year. So I knew I was going to do my Nike deal. I know I was going to do my deal with Steiner sports for my autographs, and then I- handful of other, you know, print or local media type stuff local appearances. So it wasn't. It wasn't overwhelming. What about non sports related investment, though? Where the so I know you're involved in a number of things some of them predate your retirement a couple of years ago, where do those typically come from are the kind of Allah car at hawker? Do you have a way for soliciting, and sorting? Yes. Most agents don't do that for you. What they will do is. They will hire. Somebody or point you in the right direction for financial literacy and for financial help and estate planning. And so I'm with a group called wind point Joe Geier and his group out of Baltimore. Joe went to my high school at mount Saint Joe years before me, but had a really great relation with a lot of the X Orioles and current players in major league baseball. And so he's my business manager he's the one that handles all of my state planning and all of my investments, and I like keeping them separate, you know, it if you have all of your eggs in one basket as an athlete sometimes you'll make wrong decisions or sometimes you'll your decision making. We'll get clouded. So I liked having that separation of power when it comes to business deals or investment opportunities. Now, Scott Boris encourages people to put a lot of eggs in one basket. Yes. In terms of investment and mental guidance and so on. Yeah. Yeah. Scott has he has so many things that you can take advantage of under his umbrella and investment advice is one of them. But the the mental. Conditioning that he has Harvey Dorfman was kind of his right hand man for mental conditioning. Literally wrote the book the ABC's of pitching the mental game of baseball Harvey Dorfman was one of those guys that when I was young when I was learning how to become a great major leaguer. I leaned on him immensely, and you know, one of the great relationships of my young career was Harvey door from. Gotcha. Okay. Well, one one more thing about agents before we move onto your playing career. There are those who argue that, you know, an inevitable conflict is especially a very successful agent. Boris, maybe being the most you end up having a roster a lot of players in your stable, and then you're dealing with a market where you're only dealing with a limited. Number of buyers are only thirty teams and for any given player. There might be a very limited pool of let's say two three four teams that have the money in the need and so on. So there are those who argued that if you're with an agent there may be an inherent conflict of interest in that they m-. May gain leverage by dealing you low by making suboptimal deal. You're exactly right. And this is where every player needs to take control of his career. You know, you're right. I if I'm a first baseman, and I wanna go to a team that you know, as also looking at another player that that my agent, you know, has in his roster. There might be some horse-trading, you know, K, well, you know, take him. But then I gotta find a place for for tax, and there's back and forth. Ultimately, the player has to take control. And I tell every young player hire a great agent. But also know what he's doing great. And the best agents are good at that horse trading. They're good at getting their clients the best deal. No matter what. But you have to pay attention. So walk me through the deal that you signed with the Yankees. Again, those your final deal, and it was a massive free agent deal that set you and your family up for life for generations. So it's that's amazing and congratulations because that's. You know, it's a great accomplishment going into that. You're coming most directly from the Braves Braves and angels saves angels. Right, right. Walk me through that deal. What were the possibilities? I believe the Red Sox even were one of those and curious enough. You would even entertain that after all those years, and then talk about the negotiation of that deal. And how you made the decision to come the Yankees. Well, first of all free agency is not a fun process as a major leaguer. I'm glad only did it once you feel completely helpless on one hand because there's thirty teams out there. But really there's probably only five or six that are really interested in really want you, and I had a family, you know, I had two young kids and a wife that I wanted to make sure they were happy as well. So, you know, the process for me was not a lot of fun. Ultimately, it came down to the Yankees Red Sox nationals angels and Orioles. Those were the five teams that I had face to face meetings with the reds. Sox actually came back for a second meeting, and it was a whole new regime. So so the general manager of the even the owner was new from back from ninety. So I let them know. Right. From the beginning guys. I hold no hard feelings towards the Red Sox organization, but you know, alternately it came down to I wanted to go to a place that had a chance to win every single year. And one of the things that Scott Boris always told me is don't look at the Yankees current roster. Don't look at their minor league system. This team does what it takes every year to be competitive and playing in New York playing put those pinstripes on just had too much lower. And it helped that they, you know match the offer of some of the other teams. Okay. You come to New York. New York loves you, even though you're not a typical, you know, New York has gotten behind a lot of guys who are lot more aggressive than you a lot of cock your than you. And you're like the nice good hardworking guy who also happened to be a phenomenal. Baseball player, very good hitter. And a great defensive first baseman, and then you get here. And I see is. Now, you go and win the World Series talking about setting expectations talk about the high. And then the inability to to win another one after that what what that was like my first year New York in two thousand nine was a complete worlwide. I'm getting lost on the way to the ballpark. Because you're the new Yankee Stadium was literally brand new they opened the doors like three days before the season started. So all navigation systems that thousand nine you know, ways, and, you know, Google maps worn around or worn as good at least. And so I'm getting lost getting into the ballpark in the Bronx. And then you have to worry about you know, hitting ninety eight mile an hour fastballs at night. So it was a complete world win. We win the World Series. And before I knew it spring training was was around the corner. And when you get to the top of the mountain, you wanna stay there. The is always there. But you know, the rosters. Weren't as good. I mean, I think we can look at ourselves and say two thousand ten was the best chance we had to win again that we had a pretty good team in two thousand ten by two thousand eleven two thousand twelve we just ran out of gas the end of the season. We didn't have the team that that could make it that far how much of that is age a lot of its age. You know, we we had a team that in two thousand nine were called old out at twenty eight years old. I was one of the kids on the team. And so you you get here, and you and you win. But then you look at the best players you look around that that locker room and go man, we have a short window here and that window closed in four years. But listen in those four years, we made three S's we want a whole lot of games. And yeah, we didn't win another one. But not a lot of regrets your ultimate I guess decline is a player. You know? It's what happens players get older. They they don't keep getting better. Except in rare cases like, you know, Barry Bonds, and those are usually a a little bit chemically aided as as it turns out, I'm curious about one thing. So you're a rare relatively rare power hitting switch hitter. During a whole lot of them during your career, more and more team started using more and more analytics some managers used to put a defensive shift on some players who pulled the ball a lot. But it became a lot more common. And so now defenses were putting a shift on you from the left side and the right side and your numbers were going down. Now, you were also getting older declining as a player, no offense. That's what happens. I'm curious in retrospect. Whether the degree to which you think that rise in analytics and the use of the shift, and so on was a contributing factor to your decline in how much of it was just the natural cycle of an aging baseball player. Yeah. I think is probably, you know, seventy thirty just the the natural age without analytics, I still would be retired still my body. You know, analytics doesn't, you know, make your wrist blowout. Analytics doesn't make you tear up your knee. You know, the things that I had to deal with so, but I would say that analytics took numbers that should have been better and decreased. I mean, you know, studies show that that left handed hitters hit twenty points lower just across the board because of analytics, and because of the shift, but you know, for me, I was lucky enough to have a really great career for the first ten years at a really great ten year run. I blew out my wrist in year eleven and it just being very tough. I felt like I was playing catch up. I had one more all star season that I felt really good about. But for me, it was much more the physical decline and the analytic side of it. Listen, if you're walking if you're hitting doubles and home runs the shift doesn't matter and the one year that I did make it back to the all star game. It's because I was really locked in physically. I felt I felt good. And I was hitting doubles and home runs again. Right. What are some ways that you benefited from? Analytics did you don't know if you were a tape rat. You watched a lot of tape, and I'm curious whether you studied pitchers and so on for their tendencies, I I didn't benefit. I don't think at all. I was not a tape rat. I was one of those guys because I was a switch hitter. I didn't I too many things to think about anyway to full swings. Right. One swing is hard to keep up in major league baseball. I had two of them so early on in my career. I basically told myself I'm not adding more junk to my head. And complicating things I'm going to see the ball hit the ball. Now. Did I watch tape? Absolutely. Did I have positive reinforcement? You know, I it's called are hit tape. Right. So you look back at when you're good. What are the the pitches you're swinging at where you heading them? You know, you'll wear your hands and your and your feet and your legs. And what do you look like when you're hitting those balls, so I use positive reinforcement. But I wasn't a guy that went up there and said, okay, it's two to one. This guy is a seventy three percent chance to throw a back door slider. Here. I'm gonna look I never did that and there's a whole bunch of players at still don't look at tape. Right. Talk about that for a minute. You don't do that in part? I guess because you don't think it's going to be productive. But also, I'm curious, you know, when you talk about sports where there's live action as the batter you're reacting to someone else throwing as a patriots'll, but different you're generating action as a golfer. It's different you generating the action from the ball stop. And in those cases, we know that the mind can really get in the way, right? When you're reacting theoretically to some benefit because you don't have the time to quote think but on the other hand. In your in the batter's box. And you're dug in waiting for the pitcher talk for moment about that thought process in maybe when your mind does get in the way, I I had two different swing thoughts. That depending on the pitcher was was my plan. Everyone says when you go up to the plate you need to have a plan and a guy that through hard say ninety five and above my plan was the head of the bat on the ball. Put the barrel of the bat square the ball up wherever it goes is a positive if a guy through soft, you know, a Greg Maddux type guy, I looked for a location. I said, okay, I'm gonna look for the ball away. Here. I'm gonna stay on it. I'm gonna stay square. I'm going to hit the ball the other way or say got through a lot of curve balls. Okay. I'm going to wait for a curve gonna sit sit sit. So that was my plan on fast guys or guys that through softer where you get into problems was your first swing against that guy who's fast, and it was a bad swing. Oh, wait a second. I'm going to change my plan here. And I think he's gonna throw I think he's going to throw me a curve ball. And I'm gonna sit on curling. He throws another fastball. And you break your back because you're late. That's where your mind gets in the way when you should be keeping it very simple and reacting you do complicate things and then are slow to react or late to react. And then you're done in baseball. Did you see great hitters? However, who did think a lot at the plate in a way that you're describing was not productive for you. Some you know, some guys joked, you know, he's so dummies a great see it hit Bract. And there are a lot of great hitters that did that then there's Chipper Jones just went into the hall of fame yesterday. Chipper Jones knew exactly what he was going to do on every single pitch. He he looked at at the tape and he was a switch hitter too. So don't tell me how that worked. But he really looked at pitchers. He set pitchers up. He sat on pitches. And you know, it helps that he was so talented I hand contact. Act. You know, his coordination was just amazing. But he was one of those guys that fought through every at that. Coming up after the break the mechanics of Mark to shares swing hitting a baseball. Still the hardest thing to do in sports. And how do you break slump? I I would go I'll go Honey sometimes. Peanut butter and Honey. And if you haven't heard it yet, check out our ongoing hidden side of sports series on any podcast app or on freakonomics dot com. We will be right back. Frigging radio is sponsored by anatomy of next new world podcast from founders fund explore every aspect of building a second branch of human civilization, thirty million miles away on Mars from nothing, but rust and rock, how do we build an atmosphere on Mars, how do we build an ocean? Have we grow forests and fields and make the red planet. Green then from politics and education to money are insects in space. What does human life look lake on the nail Ian world dive deeper into these questions and more by subscribing to anatomy of next on podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you're listening right now. Let's get back now to our lately. Edited full interview with Mark Teixeira, the former New York Yankees first baseman, one of the many athletes, we've been speaking with for our hidden inside of sports series. I've heard you talk in the past about spring training. So I love you to describe this for people again who don't know baseball. But even who do you've talked about every year, you'd show up, and it's like relearning like both from a confidence in physical level relearning to swing. I find it hard to believe that. But I'd love to hear you talk about you. When I say that it's true every year, I showed up to spring training. I had to learn how to hit major league pitching again because timing is so important, right? You know, if I got into a cage today, I'd still probably look like a big leaguer put me on a T or throat sixty mile an are softballs to me. I could probably still hit some balls, you know, and and looked like a big leaguer. If you put me in a ninety five mile an hour fastball situation with the guy's got a slider and a changeup. I would look like I never played the game. Because I have no reference point. I haven't had one in a year and a half since since I retired almost two years now. I have no reference point to the timing of when I need to start my swing and where that ball's gonna be at the plate. And so that's what I mean. When I say yet the figure out yet the relearn how to hit majorly hitting it's all about that timing is not like riding a bike some guys it is. But for me it wasn't every year my timing from both sides of the plate had to get. Right. And that's one of the reasons. Most of the time I had a slow April. All right. And then for both sides of the plate you've also referred to how your right hand. Swing and your left hand swings were really different. So I'd like you to talk about that. Also again for people who don't know baseball. It's it'd be a little bit like watching, you know, a great basketball player with a jump shot start to shoot left handed. Sometimes right when the situation called for it doesn't happen in other sports in baseball. It does for a variety of reasons, and it's an advantage, obviously. But can you talk about I would imagine that one swing as a mirror image of the other I gather. However that is not correct. It's not because of right hand dominated. So so I throw. Right handed. I right right hand, I do everything right handed. So as a right handed hitter, my top hand, my right hand is the steering mechanism for the bet. And because of that I was a better contact hitter right handed because you know, that dominant hand your top-end steer in it. I could steer the bat where I wanted left-handed that right hand dominant hand is the bottom in and that is my that's my pull trigger you know, the the bat gets through zone. Quick. I hit longer home runs handed. I hit more home runs left handed. I was a much more power hitter. Much more pull hitter left-handed more strikeouts. Lefty, probably I'm sure I'm sure I had more strikeouts left. The I also hit the inside pitch way better left handed right handed. You could bust me in all the time. I was not a good inside hitter right handed because you know, I just didn't have the bat speed right handed. And so that's why I had two different swings. It's not by design. It's just you know, I picked up a bat. Left-handed? I just had a different swing. What about dominant? I though I always wondered about this. You know when I played baseball growing up. I was a right handed batter. But then when I played wiffle ball, I could hit great lefty. And I thought well, you know, why was this obviously, it's different ball different. Everything's different. And I was in. Okay, switch hitter as a kid, but not good enough to actually do it in games. And then I started to wonder maybe I'm just seeing it better. Or it's different. I'm curious about that. You were you were seeing a better. I'm I'm right eye dominant. How can you tell you hold their hands here? What do you put put your hands in front of you in like in like trion? Yeah. Keep both eyes open and point to a spot get the microphone or something here. And then. Oh, yeah. And core close the other one whatever I you see it with. That's your. Yeah. So I'm right eye dominant. That so that being said, I could stay closed left-handed right handed. I had open up my stance and actually point my face towards the pitcher more. So my r-. Right. I could see the ball better. But I'm naturally right handed and so because of being naturally right handed. I was able to you know, always have better plate discipline right handed. But because I'm right eye dominant. I was able to become a switch hitter. I I'd like to see us to tick on switch hitters that are naturally right handed that that are right dominant. I would probably guess most of them are right eye dominant. No considering that you figure that out. Did you think about training your left? I I tried it. It's one of those you know, when you work out in you feel sore the next day, you know, that it worked what I did in the gym worked. I don't know if it works. I did I exercises for like two months kind of messing around that. And I don't know if it worked, and so I just ended up le-let nego- again. I try to keep things simple. Baseball is a when you break it down is a very simple game. The throw a ball. And you gotta hit. And I. Wanna complicate things? I'm not a quarterback in the NFL with fifteen different plays or or fifty different options of that play. I'm see the ball hit the ball describe briefly your game day routine. Let's say it was a home game plan for the New York Yankees. You've got your family live in Connecticut described kind of from morning tonight. What the day was like. Yeah. So I slept in because you know, your your games are over at ten thirty eleven o'clock. You're not getting home until twelve thirty or one. So I slept until probably ten or eleven every day just hung out the house did nothing usually try to spend some time with my kids when I was on the road. I sit in the hotel room or maybe take a little stroll and have breakfast or launch. But I really tried to conserve as much energy as possible before the games leave for the ballpark around to Nogal on game days. No, never I I would probably golf once or twice during the entire season. And I love golf, but I just didn't have the energy to swing a golf club or be outside for four hours and then go play game and some guy. Do it. I could never do that. So leave for about leaving about two o'clock into the ballpark. No later than three and then start the process start the process, which is you know, you maybe grab a quick bite to eat because you have a long day ahead. You is this the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at right before. So. Yeah. Before I became gluten free. It was always eating peanut butter and jelly sandwich before the game. But you usually at three o'clock, it was like, you know, a grilled chicken sandwich, or, you know, something semi healthy. But it gets you to that pre game meal, and you know, so I I would do my stretching and kinda get ready for for my batting practice session. Take batting practice in the cage kinda get loosened up in the cage, which is a T drill. Do that t- drill for you know, fifteen or twenty minutes? Go back do all my interviews. Get that out of the way before batting practice. You go out to the batting practice and and stretch run throw take your ground balls. Take your round of BP, and then it's like an hour of chill time before the game. So that's that's when you kind of let everything sinking. If you do. Need to get treatment on injuries. Whatever you do that. If if you need to get extra stretching if you need to watch video, whatever it might be you do that in between batting practice and the game. Then in about six six fifteen I grabbed that peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Again, before I became gluten free and and then a Cup of coffee because it's a long day, and you kind of need a little jolt before the game. And I was on the field by six forty. Did. You was there any mental concentration meditation prayer or anything like that. It was more of the the routine got me locked in. I knew while I was doing my routine the closer I got to game time. I looked at the clock. You know? And you always knew there's clocks all over bigly club. Right. No one wants to be late for for a stretch or a meeting or a game. So there's clocks everywhere. And as the clock got closer to seven oh five I just slowly got locked in. I didn't talk to a lot of people for the game. I didn't I wasn't very chatty. I was. I was focused, and I knew every single night that the fans of New York expected me to go out there and make my plays at first and hopefully get a hit or or drive in Iran. So I took that very seriously were you an anthem singer anthem Hummer, I prayed during the Anthony house, my time that was my, you know, my Christian faith is very important to me. And it's not for the God-given ability that that I have I wouldn't be playing major league baseball. So always gave thanks to God during during the national anthem and said some prayers for my family and friends or people that were struggling or whatever was happening, and that also helped to because that was you know, a minute or two where I could kind of lock in and you get burdens maybe that are on my heart or on my mind. Get them off my chest. And then go out and play the game the anthem protests that have become a big deal in football have not hit baseball. And there might be a million different reasons why I'm just curious. Your thoughts on that. You know, you're not only a a longtime athlete now retired athletes sports commentator, but bright dies involved in the real world. I'm curious what you may. Those protests in especially how it's affecting professional sports in the the the perspective that the public has on professional athletes. Yeah. First of all, I I definitely think that players in leagues all over the world should speak out, you know, either for or against things that they feel strongly about the problem is is, you know, the Yankees pay me to play first base. They pay me to get hits. They don't pay me while I'm on the field to be a distraction, and whether you agree or you disagree with whatever I'm standing up for during the game during the national anthem, especially when we're honoring the country, and we're honoring those who have fought for our freedom. I just don't think that's the right platform. Now I in after the game in the off season when when your home or you're in your own community that there's there's issues going on absolutely speak up because athletes and celebrities have been very strong platform. But when. Whether it's the Dallas Cowboys or New York Yankees or Golden State Warriors. You know, we are paid to to play a sport. And we're paid too while we're on the field while we were in the uniform to respect the rules of that league or that team. And I just don't think that the the national anthem is a time to make that stand. So I hear that argument. Here's a counter some people would say, you know, that a pro athlete it's a little bit like Cinderella when you're in the zone when you're wearing the dress before midnight, your different person everyone's paying attention when you're in uniform during a game. That's when you have the most leverage. And then no matter how prominent an athlete you may be if you're doing an interview even immediately after the game or during the off season with your local media whatnot. And you say, hey, listen. This is a big problem that I see it might be domestic violence income inequality police brutality. We know those stories get coverage, but compared to the leverage that you have during the game. It's like one one thousand one thousand and so on so on the taking the devil's advocate position. I could see why man if I'm an athlete. I know that the only way I have a chance to really raise hell is to do it right now. And you're saying that's inappropriate because you know, you're essentially there to do one job, and we are also what employees right? So I've really cool job at ESPN. Right. If I took, you know baseball tonight tomorrow during the trade deadline show and said, hey, guys, just stop for five minutes because I have something I wanna talk about it probably be fired, you know, because I'm an employee, and I have to do, and I'm told when it comes to certain rules and regulations of now if the league says, hey, you guys do whatever you want. They that's great do whatever you want. But I think the NFL has seen the the protests be a double edged sword while they're proud of their players standing up for certain things or or whatever it might be. They also. Oh have to understand that. There's a whole lot of people that don't appreciate it. And he'll probably not the best time to be taking a stand right before a game. When they know it's going to be a distraction. There's also obviously a lot of class and ethnic racial considerations here. And I want to ask you about that on a baseball team. There are scholars who argue that sports teams are among the best institutions along with the military, by the way at building what they call social trust. Meaning, you know, basically, you feel someone's got your back, even if you don't know them, and they say that sports teams in particular, and again, the military where people from very different backgrounds come together you emerge from that. As if you're you've got a lot in common. I love you to talk about that from moment. A if you experience it and be if you think there's any way to kind of port that over into the real world without making everyone joined the ice. I agree completely. You know during my career I played with black white as. Asian, you know, people from Dominican Venezuela wherever it might be. And we all got along. I mean ninety nine point nine percent of athletes teammates, get along. Now. They don't be best friends but get along on the field. Why? Because there's a common goal and the military why do people in the military get along because there's a common goal, and where I think we can use that in society is let's not always harp on our differences because we have me, and you could spend an hour talking about what we disagree with. That would not be a productive our time together. We would rather talk about interesting things and economics in sports, and and life and things that we we enjoy about life. Happy things in life things that are positive if we continue to harp on negative things in society, or or the the mainstream media you're going to have these issues, but sports and the military as you said, we're always focused on how do we win this game? How do we become closer team to win this game? For our fans and for our front office in our ownership, and whatever it might be because let's not talk about. I'm sure we have differences. I'm sure we don't agree on every single thing that's human nature, but what we can agree on is working hard together and showing up on time and and being accountable to each other and working towards that common goal. Let me ask you this about something. You just mentioned about how we focus on the negative. It does seem to be a human trait. It does however also seem to be magnified by the current meaning contemporary landscape, meaning communication medium. So there are people who will do a comparison. If you look at like, a European king in the seventeenth century versus like the middle billion of the world right now that the life of the middle billion today is better than the king on every ground except housing because palaces and castles are hard to hard to be. But in terms of just about everything else life has gotten. So so so much better. And yet we don't talk about that to me up to Nick nal. Legit. We tend to focus on these differences often. And I'm curious, look, your your athlete, you're not a philosopher a psychologist winter. But I'm curious to know if you have a perspective on that. Yes. It's great perspective. One of the things I do when I pray is I thank God for being born United States. So I won the lottery just by being born in the United States, the freedoms that we have the the opportunities that we have there's no guarantee, obviously, there's a lot of pain and suffering and poverty that we're all trying to to to help and fix. But but you have the opportunity because of the freedoms that we have in our country. And so we can sit here and focus on all the negative things in our country. And there's plenty of them. You know, we could fill one hundred of these podcasts with all the negative things that are happening. Are we do that most week, but but let's wake up a little bit and be thankful for what we have. Because there's a lot of places in this world that if I was born into I I would not be even close to the personnel. Ended a or even have the opportunity because you start life with two strikes against u in third world, countries or countries where where you have no freedom. And so I'm just I'm lucky to be born here, and and to live here scholars say another way in which athletes and sports teams produce a social cohesion is that conflict resolutions handled really differently on sports teams. They say that outside of sports in the military. There's a lot of passive aggressive race on in office world, you might send someone Email with some snarky wording as opposed to going up and saying, hey, listen, you did this. I did that blah, blah, blah. Tell me about a case or maybe a general scenario. Maybe it's a teammate. Maybe something jeeter was famous for being a good captain on a number of dimensions talk about a way that you saw problem. Get resolved on a team that you think is very different from the real world. That's a great point. Because I love it. When guys bark each other real loud for twenty seconds. And it's over. Yeah. Because that is way more effective at conflict resolution than a guy for three weeks or the whole season right being passive aggressive. And then creating this really weird situation around both these players, and then it permeates to the rest of the team. Then you start having clicks, I would much, and I've I've done it with coaches with players where we've had it out, you know, almost fistfight and then twenty minutes later, you're fine. A for instance, what do you what's the scenario? What do you say two thousand fifteen my third base coach Joe spot. Who who I love told me to hold up at third base because I was going to score easily and again thrown out, and he just he just missed just totally just kind of botched the situation, and he knew he bought it. And I almost got hurt on wiscon-. I had to kind of half slide. And and it looked terrible. And we needed the run and all these things. And so I went into the dugout, and I just started throwing stuff. I just I just went nuts. I had this like very text to me. Oh, I had this rage. Inside of me. Because I was so mad situation the situation lasted fifteen minutes. I told Joe after the game. We're all good. Hey, I know you're trying your best. We're and it was done. It was over with. And I think those type of Scituate UC Tom Brady when the best of all time barking at his coaches barking at his offense alignment barking at his receivers. But guess what? People take less to go play for the patriots coaches. You know, take demotions to stay with the patriots. Because they want to be a part of the Bill bell TEK Tom Brady atmosphere that they create their my freakonomics co author Steve Levitt did some research, and he found that pitchers essentially throw too many fastballs. Okay. So part of this is maybe mistaken belief in part of it is that many people are not good at random ising, which is a useful trick when you're trying to you know, any game theory kind of thing. So let me just read you. A tiny bit of this. I'm really curious to know after say when there are two strikes when the the scenario really happens when are two strikes fastballs generate an opium that's on base. Plus slugging percentage of more than one hundred points higher. The non fastballs the authors calculate that. If a team's pitchers reduced their sheriff fastballs by ten percentage points. They would allow roughly fifteen fewer runs in a season about two percent of their total runs. And I I agree. A hundred percent. The issue is is you have to take the pitchers skill and ability to perform that skill with two strikes. So the pitchers that can throw curve balls and changeups and sliders with two strikes. Do it the guys at maybe bounced that pitch or hang that pitch are going to throw fastballs. And so they're going to get hit. So the best pitchers in baseball. They throw more sliders and curve balls and changeups with two strikes because they can control. So it better. And the last thing you wanna do is get a guy down. Oh to throw three straight sliders in the dirt because you can't control that pitch and then have to come back with the three two fastball. Because the hitter knows that you can't throw a slider for a strike. You don't have any confidence to your catcher doesn't have any confidence. And you throw in a an off speed pitch for a strike and the hitters geared up for a fastball. And that's why those numbers get up there. What we need to ask Levitt. And I'm sure this is in the paper, and I don't have it off the top of my head is weather. They controlled for the efficacy of the pitcher. Because you're saying the good pitchers won't do it. I agree that I think that's the issue. I think the best pitchers can execute those pitches. I feasted mind tire career was based on a guy, you know, not getting me to chase the curve balls, and the sliders and the dirt and having to come with a fastball over Melva plate that was the style of hit or that. I was so did you in your mind? No, whoever's on the mound. You know that they're the kind of pitcher who doesn't have the ability to throw the the cutting. Yes. So that was the. Preparation that. I so I would ask the p the pitching coach if I didn't know this guy now once I was in the big leagues for four five years. I started knowing the players, and then I would only ask the hitting coach. Hey, this guy's a rookie. What's his percentage of off speed strikes? Right. And if his percentage of all speeds strikes was really low. I'm just sitting dead red fastball. One. Why would I take into account? You know, a slider changeup or split finger fastball that he doesn't throw for strikes. I'm going to. I'm going to bet that the numbers hold up. He's not gonna throw a strike without off speed pitch. And he's gonna have to throw me a fastball that I can then hammer who were the pitchers that just plagued you during your season during your career. Sorry. The guy that I had the worst time against was James shields. Did not hit him. Well, did not hit Justin Verlander. Well. Well, join them. Join the. Yeah. And then and then you have weird guys like Aaron Sealy who who didn't throw more, you know, by the time I faced him didn't throw more than eighty six miles an hour. I just could not hit them. And so, you know, some really good pitchers had my. Number. But they're always some guys that you know, weren't all-stars every season that had my number as well. And does it become self enforcing after while pitcher lake Sealy thing, man? I can't hit the guy and sometimes it does. Yeah. Confidence is huge in baseball. That's why baseball teams in baseball players are so streaky. You know? Yeah. These these guys that hit seven homers in a month and don't hit one for, you know, for six weeks, or you know, a pitcher that wins, fourteen straight games. And then the last month of the season can't get out of the third inning. Because the confidence to swing a good pitches to to get good results. It builds on it self, and that's you know, you've heard hitting his contagious. Well, it's not physically contagious. But mentally when I see the three guys in front of me just got hits. I go going. Hey, this guy can be hit today. You know, he he might be an all star. But this guy's gonna get hit because those three guys in front of me just got basis. And now, I'm next were you ever totally lost at the plate. Absolutely. I mean. Yeah. It happened. I had I had stretches web. It was a week or even a month where I said this might be my last week in baseball. I I am so bad right now. There is no way. I'm getting another hit in major league baseball. I look awful. I feel awful. I can't get a hit. But then something to snaps, and it's just like engulf when you can't make shortcut like, you know, you go an entire round or maybe an entire week where you play three rounds. And you don't make anything within four feet. You just can't make that putt or your driver. You're snap hooking everything. And no matter what you do. No matter. What you try? You can't hit that driver straight happens in baseball all the time because it's very hard skill hitting a baseball still the hardest thing to do and sports. And you know, you guys on the mound that are trying to get you out. And if you're off a little bit mechanically, mentally confidence wise, and he's on you can have some bad nights. So how do you get back to success because I'm sure you're trying to adjust you're trying to adjust mechanically psychically? And so on what actually works. Shocked the system. So we we talked about trick in the system shock in the system. So it's either taken more batting practice or taking no batting practice. It's changing your bat. It's you know, changing the way you stand just a little bit. You know, altering your stance just a little bit. You know, maybe just like hard, workout it. You know? Maybe maybe I'm little too jumpy. I got a little bit too much energy. Let me get a hard workout in before the game. I'm going to be a little slower a little bit tired during this game or the opposite. Hey, I'm exhausted. So I'm gonna sleep all day. I'm not gonna take batting practice. I'm going to get a massage and really try to be fresh. It's just completely changing up your system. Would you ever change the PB? Jay. Yeah. I I would go I would go Honey sometimes. That was butter. And Honey that was my slump food or that was a slump bran. Yeah. That's radical. Crazy. Yeah. You are for people again who don't play baseball or no baseball. I like you to describe a scenario. So you were very very very good defensive first baseman, which is valuable and but not necessarily so appreciated by the casual fan. There's one aspect to plane in the field that I think people would love to hear about which is what you're doing in your mind before every pitch. So I'd love you to describe may pick a scenario if it's a real one all the better, and maybe it's a tight game. And maybe there's a runner on first and maybe second, and and maybe you're holding the runner depending. And then you're thinking, here's my pitcher. There's the batter what pitch is going to be thrown. And what do I do if it's hit two third too short to second to me on the ground in the air? And so and just talk about that moment is so when I was at first base, I would actually play the entire scenario in my head. So I would say two and one one out ball hit to me to my. Left them going to second ball head to my you know, ball hit in front of me. I'm just getting the out whatever it might be. I would play the entire scenario ahead of time. And I would actually position myself, and then look to my right and left, and maybe sometimes in behind me, and and say, okay. Well, if the balls hit this way, I'm going to do that if the balls hit like this. I'm going to do that. So I was kind of I got bored during games. And so I started doing this probably five or six years into my career where I would actually play the game in my head in between pitches, and it kept me from getting bored. But also had a really nice result that I actually was prepared for when those different balls were hit to me and it actually worked out. Now, it doesn't everybody do that. I mean, I remember learning that in little league. I mean, that's well everyone's supposed to do that. But a lot of guys don't guys completely space out. I mean, listen, you know, ones on it's pretty easy. But when when when there's guys on base. It kills me to see fielder. There's going to the wrong base not being prepared for different situations. Outfielders not hitting the cutoff, man. These are little things in baseball that I learned when I was young that that I don't think it taught anymore. I I think you have a lot lot more players that are worried about analytics and don't spend the time on the nuances of baseball and the skills and the the subtleties that make you a great player. Right. We recently interviewed Atlanta Armstrong on the show, and he argued that he and his team started taking EP because everybody else was doing it. And that if they didn't they were they were goners there was just no way to compete you played in an era in which kind of the end of the big steroid air in which some of the best homerun hitters in history were turned out to have all many of them doping. Mark McGwire Barry Bonds, and then a few of your very prominent teammates. Great baseball players. Alex Rodriguez Robinson, canot milky Cabrera also were found to be we're found. To be doping. I'd love to. I'd love to hear about first of all let's start with this. Did you ever use performance enhancing drugs? No never. And I told myself I got offered my rookie year. And I told you it often. I know what it was. I mean, I don't know what these are some pill. I don't know. I'm not sure what it was. And who offered teammate say who it was teammate yet. And he said he's a texts. You can't play this game on milk and cookies, and I kinda just told them like, you know, my, you know, flippant self at at twenty two years old. I said, well, I'm going to try and and I told myself right then and there if I have to take drugs illegal steroids to play this game. I'll retire. I it's it's not some. That's the way. I was brought up it's wrong. I can't stand people that make excuses for breaking the rules. You know, our union has made rules and agreed to rules because it's for the betterment of our entire union and for the betterment of the game of baseball. We agree to these rules, if you knowingly break those rules, you should be punished to the utmost degree, and I don't think our punishments are hard enough. I think we should have much stricter enforcement of of the rules and much stricter punishments. And I was just you know, one of the highlights of my career. Is I can look at kids. I speak to kids all the time, you know, speak to kids in Harlem and the Bronx, and you know, at home in Baltimore wherever it might be. And one of the things I'm proudest to save them. I had a nice career, but I didn't have to take steroids to make it and you don't have to cut corners because what kind of message my telling kids are telling my own children. I have a twelve ten and seven year old what kind of message telling them. Hey kids. It's okay to break the rules. It's okay. To cheat. It's okay to lie. It's okay to steal. These are just terrible things that were teaching our children that you can go do these things in professional sports and get away with it. And really just get a slap on the wrist. I know you gotta go one more question for you. As I said, you had a very very good career way better than solid. Some people say about different players crew. It was a long and very good career. There was a World Series. There are a lot of individual honors. You hit a very very well. You fielded great the hall of fame. It's a funny. Thing election. These days is contentious in part because the baseball writers who elect the hall of fame candidates. They've decided they don't want steroid players in the hall, which is controversial. So there are a lot of guys who are not going in. I'm curious to know, your feelings about obviously you wanna get in. I'm curious to know, whether you feel you deserve it. I know you're a humble guy. And you're probably not going to say, yes. But I love to know what that thought processes like as you're in this period right now between the end of your career. And when you're eligible, you know, I think about it. You know, definitely. But I don't think I'll get in. I think that I had a great career under different metrics. I I do believe that some of the Cerro guys are already in. And they're you know, there's some guys that have taken PD's that are in the hall of fame, everyone, everyone knows that. But I think you're gonna start seeing some of those players get in. And I just think that that under those metrics on the metal. And that'll keep you hall four hundred home runs when when guys were hitting fifty year, you know, my thirty a year. Didn't look so good. Don't you think they might redo the metrics of a little bit and give extra points for playing clean? I hope. So if that's the case I have a much better chance, but it's not something. I think about more than a few times a year when we have these type of conversation, but it's not something that I think about all the time. Did you lead the league and PB Jay's or were a lot of guys time? Sure. I did. I'm sure I did. And I also the one of the cool stats that I do own is most hit by pitching my Zarate by switch hitter. Oh, yes. I got that. I got that hanging in, you know, one of the things I'm most proud of is is hitting thirty homers and driving in one hundred runs for eight straight years. Because the first time I did it. I had to pinch myself. I said I was the second year player playing for the Rangers. And I said, oh my goodness. I just I just hit thirty homers and drove in one hundred RBI's and being able to do that eight straight years as the thing. I'm most proud of. Yeah. It was a great career as a New Yorker. Enjoyed watching you with the keys, and especially enjoyed getting to talk to today. So thank you so much. Thank you. 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Amadeus (1984) Ep. 25
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Forman's Amadeus in this episode will see in our feature presentation, how all aspects of Ahmadou work to reveal the unintelligible. Reality of genius will hear about what decisions were made to enhance the visual sense of authenticity in the film during our buzz from the back backlog segment. But for st- let's get into this week's opening credits. Our film this week is ominous. Amadeus was directed by militiamen and was released in nineteen Eighty-four Amadeus stars, f Murray, Abraham, and Tom calls for your streaming ease Amadeus available for streaming rental on itunes, Amazon, YouTube and Google play an elderly Antonio sell yeti played by Mary. Abraham confesses to the murder of his former colleague Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and attempts to kill himself by slitting his throat to servants take him to a mental asylum where a priest father Vogler implores him to confess Cellucci recounts how even in his youth, he desired to be a composer much to the chagrin of his father. He prayed to God that if he would make cell Yere a famous composer, he will return promise his faithfulness. Soon after his father dies, which salary takes as a sign that God has accepted his vow. He is educated in. DNA and becomes court composer to emperor Joseph. The second of Austria, Mozart played by Tom holes arrives in Vienna to perform at the request of his employer. The prince archbishop of Salzburg, sell yeti, attends the performance to meet Mozart and despite Mozart's obscenity and immaturity finds his talent to be transcendent, the emperor desires to commission Mozart to write an opera. And despite the reservations of his advisors summons him to the palace, Mozart happily accepts the job much to the annoyance of sell yeti Mozart premiers his opera to mixed reviews, sell Yere suspects that Mozart has slept with the star cats arena cuddle yeti despite his engagement to Constanze ever played by Elizabeth Berridge. The emperor desires that Mozart instruct his niece, but selye discourages him from doing so Constanza visit cellular to persuade him to make the emperor reconsider. Under, but she is unsuccessful, saw the area is enraged that God has bestowed upon Mozart, the talent he so desperately desired and valves to destroy Mozart, Mozart, meanwhile struggles to find work and begins drinking his father. Leopold Mozart comes to visit him in Vienna, Constanza, and Mozart take Leopold to amass to party which sell yeti also attends where Mozart entertains the guests with musical antics, Leopold disapproves of his sons hedonism and the family argues until Leopold leaves town salary hires a young girl to pose as Mozart's made while spying for him. She takes him to the Mozart's residents where he discovers that Mozart is working on an opera based on the play, the marriage of Figaro, which the emperor has forbidden. When Mozart is summoned to court to explain. He manages to convince the emperor to allow his opera to premiere despite celery and the advisers attempts at sabotage messenger. Later arrive in Vienna with news of Mozart's father's death and in response, a Griff streak and Mozart pens, Don Giovanni saw recognizes the dead commander as symbolic of Leopold and hatches a plan wearing Leopold's party mask. So Yere visits, Mozart and commissions a requiem mass salary plots to kill Mozart wants. The piece is finished then premier at Mozart's funeral claiming the work as his own at a parody of one of Mozart's own operas Emmanuel Shikan knitter asked Mozart to write and opera for his own theatre Mozart desperate for money obliges, despite consensus insistence that he finished the requiem mass, the couple fight and Constanze leaves with their young son. Carl later, Mozart collapses during a performance of his finished work, the magic flute. So Yere takes him home and offers his assistance on the requiem. So Yere transcribes Mozart's verbal commands and they work throughout the night. The. Next morning, a gravely ill Mozart apologizes to sell Jerry for his previous behavior, guilty constraints, returns home and locks, the unfinished requiem away only to find that Mozart has died from overwork. Mozart is taken out of the city and unceremoniously buried in a mass grave. Having finished his tail Sally ass how merciful God could destroy his own beloved just to keep a mediocrity like cell Yere from sharing in his glory as his pushed down the hall, a wheelchair. So Yere declares himself, the patron Saint of mediocrities and mockingly absolves. The other patients of their own inadequacies. Mozart's high pitched laugh is heard as the screen fades to black. The budget of Amadeus was eighteen million dollars and it brought him fifty two million at the box office adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of forty three and a half million dollars and a box office hall of one hundred twenty six million Amadeus is number fifty. Three. On AFI's one hundred greatest movies of all time. Now, do you hear a high pitched laugh because it's time for our feature presentation. I'm a Diaz has all the trappings of a beautifully realized bio, pic, shedding light on the final ten years of the life of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, but don't be fooled. This is a piece of historical fiction sprinkled with facts, but it's the artistic license that the movie takes that makes it so special more than tempting to present the facts of Mozart's life. This movie is a reflection on the unintelligible nature of genius. This is a movie about the artistic struggle. What's more the emotional power of the film is centered in its own narrative conceit as the audience were not exposed to Mozart story, we're exposed to Mozart story through the eyes of Antonio salary, his chief rival. But even in that perspective, we had the pitiful fact that it is a total one way rivalry. So yetis competition with Mozart is not mutual. This. Movie is about a talented man so year and a genius, Mozart and after all, why would a genius concern himself with the output of his inferiors? So everything this movie works to achieve is wrapped up, not in the goal of helping the audience understand who Mozart was and the conditions of his life, but rather the vain attempt to understand the nature of his genius. So yeti is the stand in for the audience it self. He is tortured by the fact that he cannot comprehend music in the same way that Mozart does. He strives to understand the reality of Mozart's mind and it is impossible for him just as it is for us. Instead of creating a bio pic that sheds light on the superficial facts of Mozart's life. Amadeus presents the conclusion that we must only appreciate what Mozart gifted the world for we will never truly comprehend the mind behind the legend. While the dramatic theme of this film is about coming to accept genius. If. Cereal and unintelligible. The complexity of the film is derived from Saudis, skewed subjectivity surrounding Mozart, both his love for and his hatred of him. The movie presents this upon first impression. This movie is not titled Mozart or Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart for those titles might convey a sense of a true bio pic. This movie is titled Amadeus an incomplete, an imbalanced view of this man's life. Indeed, Amadeus is as much as anything else, a symptom of our societal need to account for the achievements of the great to explain and comprehend what made these are fellow humans. So extraordinary perhaps this need is even greater now than ever before since in a secular age. Our great figures have in a real sense become our gods. And when there are gods and mysteries that is major unanswered questions. There will be myths. It is a symptom of the vitality of our worship of the great that the mythology concerning them is not static, not closed an ancient mythology but is quite alive and well. Accordingly it is constantly changing the new mythology, the new gospel according to the writer of the original play and the film screenplay Peter Schaffer is a reflection not of a romantic idealization, which saw the artist as a flawless and perhaps tragic hero, but rather of the age of psychoanalysis. And I kinda clause them. We now see the blemishes on the portrait with microscope it clarity, Mozart, the man was by no means a porcelain angel according to the new mythology. He was not even necessarily particularly admirable at all in Shafer's fable. We do not see the historical Mozart objectively, nor even through the author's own is but only through the eyes of Saudi as Shaffer. Imagines sell Yere to be for his own dramatic purposes. And according to Schafer's bidder, envious and resentful sell yeti, Mozart was an infantile brat with an obnoxious laugh who do not know how to behave or how to dress, who seemed to find infinite pleasure. In uttering scatalogical words, the iconic eccentricities we come to know Mozart by are meant more as a subjective creation in cell yetis mind and reflections on the man telling us the story rather than the men were supposedly here to learn about that grading high pitched laugh, the garish wigs, the disturbing masks, all fabulous creations of the creative team behind the film. But all meant to highlight the emotional reaction of sell yeti rather than the reality of Mozart. The laugh is often heard in moments where yeti feels. He's been bested the colorful untraditional wigs reflect. So, yeah. These discomfort with Mozart's progressive musical style, which leaves sell yeti as a relic in the old world. And those bizarre masks underscore saw Gaidys inability to truly probe into Mozart's mind. He cannot get past the most superficial level. The audience mustn't forget the film's narrative conceit sell yetis final confession, recalling events that occurred a full thirty or forty years prior assume the selectivity and the fallibility of memory were presented with moments from Mozart's life, not even a Cellucci experience them, but how he remembers them influenced by years of emotional anguish and psychological torment. The emotional and psychological element is at the heart of the film for not only sell yeti experiences, pain. It's one of the few things so yeti and Mozart actually share this movie is very much about the artistic struggle. So we have sell yeti who's financially and critically successful, but who knows? He's not a genius on the level of Mozart, and then we have Mozart who is a prodigious talent, but is not financially or even always critically successful given his progressive genius in the scene when Sadie receives a standing ovation for his latest opera and then congratulated by the emperor and told that his work is the greatest opera ever produced. We see that sell yeti is consumed instead by Mozart's reaction. Sal. Yeti cannot accept the praise of the masses because he knows that someone more talented than him thinks of his work as vapid. So here in we see salaries adoration and hatred of Mozart. He is constantly in all of Mozart's work. And at the same time, despises the fact that he can't achieve that same greatness. There are three specific scenes. I want to explore on a deeper level that really get at the core themes of. Of this film. These three appear chronologically and each one probes deeper than the last trying to come to some sort of consensus on Mozart's mysterious talent. These scenes indelibly link the audience with yeti in our attempt to understand Mozart's genius, and we share the harsh reality that comprehension is unattainable. The first is the scene or sell. Yeti composes a welcome March for Mozart as he is presented to the Austrian emperor. So yeti has to deal with the frustration of having his work butchered by the lackluster piano playing emperor. But when Mozart tells the emperor that he has already memorized the music sell, yeti like the audience cannot comprehend how this is possible. When Mozart proves this sell yeti gets the satisfaction of hearing his music played well only to have that happiness slip through his fingers as Mozart criticizes the simplicity of the peace, and then improvises with the music and turns it into. One of his most well known pieces of music. The music itself is the inroad we have into cell yetis psychology at first when Mozart plays his music. It sounds beautiful. Just as good as the yeti planned it to be we as the audience also think this sounds beautiful compared to the jilted playing of the emperor. Of course, it's when Mozart improvises that we answer yeti here, how limited his music really was. We now hear the genius. We don't know how Mozart managed to memorize the music of one. Hearing let alone how he could instantly riff on sell yetis music, and thus create one of the most recognizable pieces of classical music of all time and neither to sell yeti in this scene. Mozart's genius is on full display, but it is completely unintelligible completely inaccessible. We have no insight into how Mozart thinks or works. We just know that. In the briefest of moments he is capable of far exceeding what sell yeti strained to create this glimpse at the immediacy of Mozart's genius. The second scene that links reception with Mozart's genius with soggy as reception is the scene when Mozart's wife presents Saudi with Mozart's original music, so he can be considered for a teaching position. We are taken aback just like Saudi. When we hear that doesn't make copies of his work building on what we learned in the first scene that Mozart has an identity musical memory. As soon as Saudi accepts this fact touches his hand to the music paper, and we begin to hear Mozart's music yet. Again, the music is our path into cell yetis consciousness assault yeti reads the music both. He and we as the audience. Here's the music schizophrenically shifts from piece to piece as sell, yeti furious. Moves from page to page combined with f Murray, Abraham's magnificent facial acting the music built to convey the anger and disbelief that surfaces around the realization that Mozart doesn't have to make changes just like how Mozart created timeless music. In the first scene, we build on that with the knowledge that he consistently creates perfect music on the first try between the acting performance. The layered sound design and the editing across present and past Saudi. We have the perfect cinematic encapsulation of salads all as well as his pain combined as well with his narration of the story. The scene balances all these elements to show Asalayev. He's tortured psychology in the moment. His reverence for Mozart looking back and most importantly, ties him to the audience in his ability to appreciate Mozart's work without being able to comprehend how it came into existence. Of tributing it instead to the voice of God with the information we gleaned from this second seen combined with what we saw in the first scene, we now have a new layer of knowledge that adds to the legend of Mozart, but provides no real insight into his method. The third and final scene finally reveals how Mozart's mind works. It's the scene where Mozart is dictating his requiem to sell yeti, sell yeti and the audience finally get true insight into the geniuses mind at work, sell yeti struggles to keep up with Mozart's words. He cannot understand at the same speed that Mozart does. It's all these moments where we primarily the sound of cell yetis quill scratching on the paper with only the briefest audible bursts of the music itself. But as sell yeti has time to process the music and understand how the disparate pieces Mozart has laid out actually worked together only then, does he. Hear the music and only then does it play in full for the audience? We only get to appreciate the music when Sally Eddie does Mozart. Here's it all immediately. We're not musical geniuses. So we had the pleasure of hearing it once sell yet can understand it on our behalf. So yeti once again is a Representative of us all in awe at the creative mind on display struggling to keep up. But here in lies, the heartbreak of it all Saudi finally gets to see Mozart's genius at work only to have Mozart die immediately. Afterward, he only got the briefest insight and the most fleeting lesson south eight. No better understands Mozart's genius than he did before. All he learns is that Mozart is so far beyond him that he'll never be able to create art like he does, and that's the hammer blow of the whole movie. You sit down and your odd by the brilliance of Mozart inaction early. In the movie. You hope that by the end you'll understand what drove that genius. In the end. You've seen just enough to be heartbroken by Mozart's demise and you're left with the undesirable truth that the very nature of genius is that you cannot understand how it works, though the themes of the film or what define on Adidas as a compelling fable. It's the cinematic techniques that combined with those themes that make this an all time. Great movie. As we've seen in our three key scenes unsurprisingly the music is key to the film perhaps even more than the physical character masterfully acted by Tom holes. The music itself is the character that centers the film more than anyone else. It's Mozart's music that is saturated throughout every scene and is the real star of film. Likewise, the means on Senate and production design have all the gorgeous pretensions of a true Hollywood period piece. But with the added depth of psychological interplay as mentioned earlier, Mozart's costuming his makeup, his hair. It all provides an extra layer of complexity that reflects Sadi's subjectivity surrounding Mozart. The editing also is paramount to the film success cutting between Saudis present and his past to provide a duality of psychological realities. Often contrasting the hatred of one period of time with the reverence of another. The tension that exists within sell yeti at any given moment and across time periods is what makes this such a deeply emotional film. And of course, the performance at Abraham gives as the plotting young sell yeti and the reflective old Cellucci drives it all home and deservedly won him a best actor Academy Award. Speaking of Amadeus was nominated for eleven kademi awards. Tom holes was nominated for best actor. The film was also. Now made for best cinematography and best editing. It won Academy Awards for best art direction, best costume design, best sound design. Best makeup best, adapted screenplay, f Murray. Abraham won for best actor. Miller's form won for best director and the film won best picture. Now it's time for our buzz from the back lot segment. And this week we have several tales of cinematic authenticity in a movie that favors fiction over fact, you only to watch so many classic Hollywood movies with piano players to notice how many actors just haplessly move their fingers across the keys as they play their scenes. Well, several music professors have stated after studying all the musical keys struck on PNO's throughout the film that not one key is struck incorrectly when compared to what is heard at the exact same moment. In other words, what you see is exactly what you hear. Speaking of attempts at creating realism when shooting the scene in which sell yeti is writing down the requiem under Mozart's dictation. Tom holes was deliberately skipping lines to confuse Maria Abraham in order to achieve the impression that Southey wasn't able to fully understand the music being dictated. We discussed the mar. Production design in our feature presentation and much of the credit goes to the location scouts. Only four sets needed to be built Saudis, hospital room, Mozart's apartment a staircase, and the vaudeville theatre all other locations were found locally as for one such example, the performance of Don Giovanni in the movie was still on the same stage where the opera first appeared. Another attempt at visual authenticity is that the entire film was shot in natural light in order to get proper diffusion of light for some scenes. The cinematography team covered windows from the outside with tracing paper. One curious aspect of the film is the accents or lack thereof. In fact, militia Forman insisted that his lead actors retain their American accents so that they would concentrate on their characters and their performance. Instead, the film obviously did very well at the Academy Awards. One interesting anecdote from wards night is that when the move. Won best picture at the fifty. Seventh annual Academy Awards, sir. Laurence Olivier was presenting the award. He went up to the podium open the envelope and said Amadeus. The problem was that he forgot to read the nominees. I an academy official quickly went on stage to confirm the winner and signaled that all was well before alleviate and presented the award to producer salt. Since then thanked VA saying was an honor to receive the award from him before mentioning the other nominees in his acceptance, speech. And as of two thousand eighteen Amadeus is the last film to earn two best actor Oscar nominations with f Murray Brahim winning and Tom holes being nominated as well as also had a tremendously large cultural impact. The film drove tremendous interest in Mozart and his music. The film soundtrack was the top selling classical music album and inspired the nineteen eighty-five Falco hit song. Rock me. I'm Adidas the film ironically also helped. Spark a revival of Saudis music, which had previously languished in obscurity. So all is not lost for sell yeti. And finally, Tom whole said that he based Mozart's distinctive obnoxious laugh on a very famous director. He worked with who laughed in an identical manner as of two thousand eighteen. However, he is still refused to name the director. That concludes our episode on Medina's. I would love to hear what you think of this classic movie must feel free to tweet at movie musts pod or E mail. Classic movie must at gmail.com. Listen to all of our episodes on our website. Classic movie must dot com. You can support the show and received cool perks like being able to vote on upcoming movies at patriot dot com. Slash classic movie musts. Next week we are kicking off Alfred Hitchcock month here on classic movie musts a four week, in-depth analysis of Alfred Hitchcock and the idea of the tour director. On the next episode we're discussing one of Hitchcock's early masterpieces the thirty nine steps. 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Today on the podcast. We spent thought much time talking about Brad bird, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. We always I spend a lot of time talking about coming to America to which surprisingly, I've walked forty many Eddie Murphy movies. We'll review Bumblebee the latest in the transformers universe. And finally, John took silly to us in a cloud where there are already too many film podcasts you have to ask yourself. What's the horror at one more? Ordinary men armed with qualified Trinian's talk. Fill me to me. Hello, welcome. To the talk to me podcast, the film podcast, but news, entertainment, general pub-. Coach is the podcast is absolutely dismayed at what's been happening in this country. But thankfully, I was out of it for the last week. Yes. Apologies that it's been a minute since I last podcast. I was over in Slovenia as working I have some parts for my day job. And that meant I was a bit delayed. Also, brought my microphone I was doing a bit of voice over for some of our. Podcast from the last one. Yes. As the vio devito gain wished strong with us and emphysema might find broken the white back. So he's been a minute. And yeah, that's why we're bit light with our pod. But anyway, bear lighter never leads me to the co host for the festivities for this part. I am as John as desk. You might not miss the collaborator unlucky dust album. You can find available in June sense. But if I were a little music streaming services all how you doing? Boy, amazing amazing how you Lavinia code codes. Yeah. Very modest fifteen. And but thankfully, where I was staying it was right opposite. The office is working from all I had to do was walk across the streets to go to whereas working. So they only meant was cold for like five seconds at a time. But is five seconds. It was like the thing. Like, it was just minus fifteen snow and everything in between if that good fun. You lucky man gets a travel the world or your job. Well, wouldn't say travel world the guy with two cold places? You've done a traveler and you've been. The by you've been to America like down a bit more than they on that. Our just go down the twelve on a week day. It's not as exciting. We're again old Flynn. We all get and I'll get in very Abani. Why not getting out the world of new shall we? Correct. Straight on news Ghostbusters, obviously holds the in a lot of our house. What did you think about a reboot sixteen reboot while I wife all about it was I was going to get around to watching it. And then didn't because I read about. I didn't want to have my perish some memory. So I avoided it to be honest. I've had you know, when you feel that you've heard enough about movie to fill in the blank, that's very judgmental, and I shouldn't do that. But that's of how fail how'd you fed about? We fill in the blanks. Basically, I'm not gonna go into joy, look, it is is a good poll five movie. So if you like five movies, then you're probably going to like this. If you are a massive Ghostbusters nerd and felt that they shouldn't have rebooted, and they should have carried on the story. You're probably was disappointing for the two thousand sixteen movie that being said interest this properly. It's Chris Hemsworth is a comedic actor guys got chops. He's hilarious, and it even in a film. That's not that funny. Anyway, the paper that are dismayed by that Phil can rejoice because Ghostbusters is making its return to the big screen the original AT's universe storyline. If that makes sense. I basically the original cost. It's taken. That story and progress in the future. I have read coning as events even the phrase, the the two thousand sixteen movie or just saying, it's a different universe, whatever. But they're saying we'll carrying on the story of the original Ghostbusters Bill Murray. Dan Aykroyd side, the rumors all because basically, this is a film that's been in development for about fifteen twenty years and a lot of people have had their own versions of the script rejected and everything else. So we don't necessarily know exactly what version has been green lit. But all of a sudden, basically all came out on Twitter yesterday, Jason Reitman, basically, the son of the director Ivan Reitman, he is going to be directing it, and he is come out and festival said it's in his DNA to wants days film, quite literally when he was six years old. He was on the on the first on the set of the first film, and he's absolutely so Stokes to be part of this process. Again, they shed a little video which was didn't give anything who. I just showed the car being unveiled in and outbound die finish the story revolving. It's just a just a. Thing to say is back soothing and some rumors come outside at original cost living costs are going to be to be involved. I mean, the original costs that she did do cameos in the two thousand sixteen movie not as their characters, but just as cameos as other people in that house stocks. Are you like oh my God. Yes. It's about time or man. I'm half stakes. I'm yeah, I'm happy bringing it back. Do a better job. I say why not a Bill Murray? Of his age. They offered these sequels obviously of work that kind of summarizes almost their career. Obviously Bill Murray he's done hundreds of amazing movies. But it must be tempting to kind of wrap harpies Boise seventy now just to kind of revisit some of these favorite movies. I think yeah. Let's see what we can do. And you know, is going to come from the heart is the guy like you said, it's it's the sun making it. So if it's crap at least there will be this is. This is going to try really hard. Yeah. He's going to start really hard. Yeah. A lot that join this is good. Good ambition there, Jason Reitman. He's a fantastic director. He word some some really good stuff, and he's arm. Right. He might join. And he's on the underdog your each year. That's the snow brio you'd like wherever he goes films like Labor Day at tally of four. He was absolutely fantastic as well. But he hasn't done much comedy. And this is something which people have started to start just poke around. They're saying are where if he's not that much comedy. Then should he be given the opportunity to make the saw film? Now, I totally agree with you may be experienced was he hasn't done comedy. But it's my some amazing films where reduce their emotions of people, especially June. I was one of those films that falls in that bracket. But James Cameron never made a comedy. And then he went and made True Lies. And that's actually a really good comedy. I now I be up James Cameron quite a lot especially on his podcast Scoffing Zabit for track. But when it comes to. Actual films. He's he's amazing and True Lies is a great comedy talented people can make things with their talent. You can I direction just like different. I'm really excited to say this. I know a few people like just leave it just be these films are good some people that Ghostbusters does not actually that. Good. Oh, I personally generally loved that one that there are site. Actually may be my favorite the two. But the remake not on I to tell you the United want more statue, right? Sorry. Yeah. Gone way off script there. That's a lot of people think the second Ghostbusters movies. Like not that good luck. It's just a cash grab for kids. Then again, we were kids at that time. So there's probably the reason why we love him coast. So speaking of other films that coming back to playoff nostalgia. Are you a fan of coming to America? Yes. I mean, I can I remember I remember it has a it has a place in history or I like Eddie Murphy for a period of like ten years was one of the best actors on the planet. He was pretty in. Beverly Hills cop all free yet. He was in office stuff as well. Which was which was pretty good. And he could do a bit of he could do drama as well. Like there was like an as I would say he was he was program the best actors going I would include nutty, professor movies. And I love the the first one's great second the second one. Yeah. Affect the second one's terrible. But does that one eight down a Cup tons of cult films? But there's one called metro whereas like he was like a hostage negotiator. And there's this one saying where he buddies up with a middle aged white guy who's really awkward around him. But they got the chops to work together. And there's a same way like psycho. If you want to be a hostage negotiator. You've got to get this pen out this gloss without breaking the bozo. And the guy spends oh not trying to solve the problem. And I was really impressed. The solution was pulled water in the bottle until the penalty it came out. But anyway, enough about the films of Eddie Murphy in the past super Eddie Murphy of the future, and he is coming back for coming to America to I think this is a sequel, no one as awful and people kind of forgot about its begin with. But hey bit nostalgia. He needs a good movie, though, doesn't it thought? He does. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a shower. I remember watching the few. Years ago comedy, quote, unquote with Eddie Murphy leading and it was -absolutely offensively bads, and it was kind of a shame. When you know when really funny United Steve buying comes to mind as well. Really funny guys does just being not funny anymore survey. Art, anything even lose that. So yeah, let's hope they get it. Right. Eddie. You. Listen to interviews with him. And not yet you hear him in public various things, you got your funny guy. I think is about taking the money though, it becomes more. Like, it's my job. I've done my bit. I it. Let's try and figure out. What point did Eddie Murphy guy a bit downhill after the klumps? Yeah. That was pretty bad. An item might be some kids out there going that was much hall film. Jamaica dot not haunted mansion movie. The most likely Disney after the successor parts Caribbean decided to cash in new level. I saw one of them was national treasure with nNcholas cage as actually just the road at Disney, you weren't to Disney. None of Joan preaching to the choir on atler better. Also, the haunted mansion was a a ride tonight. They'd starts do a film adaptation of that. And Eddie Murphy was to lead in that. And that's pretty bad. He done a film could Pluto Nash, which is like a kiddie version of total recall, if it could be like that that was pretty bad, and then he Nobre die. So that one. Yeah. I've watched too many bad. Eddie Murphy movies. I'm not anyway, do you have much hope? No what I'm saying that what's that one where it was beyond say as won an Oscar for singing in its. During goes. Yeah. He's in not and he's actually quite good. So maybe there's a bit of hope. But anyway, the comes to America has a place in people's hearts has a place in history. And I would say if you don't if we didn't have come to America, we might know of had joined Jones as Fossa in The Lion King. Why you ask 'cause actually James oh joins was first cast in a film in a regal row in come into America, showing us dramatic voice. And that he actually can be quite funny and caring, which might Disney pay attention. And then he got cost as me. So you're welcome from that film. Very cool. That's good knowledge. Why you the host of two filming? Do you see speaking of nine TS throwback films? Coming back seems to be a free thing at the moment. Batboys free started filming. Yes. United States that. Yes. That Will Smith is old are he's east I into he's living long enough to become uncle Phil terms of looking every my Lawrence is actually looking right like ours house. Supreme god. Apparently, they spent the night together. Watching the first two movies in preparation the night before they started filming. They watched the first two together dry way. She's really adorable. I think it must have been so funny. Yeah. I in hilarious. I love the idea. I can imagine sitting there drinking and just going. Everybody wants to be like, my hike might be one died. I'll actually learn all the to the song. But I watch bad boys. The everday exists just one nice films that just pops up on TV. And. Yeah, this which feature about this what films pop up on TV that you weren't you weren't planning on watching. But when they're on your get sucked in like bad voices. One. Those drastic parks runs is in a lot. That's a Bank holiday soccer. That's. Is your son? May I would oh is really hard. Even though I've obviously that's the film of watch more in my life than anything else. Title Rico, blue. I seems to be on at some point this the old action movies that you can just watch five minutes off you like after the after keep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Loss action. Here always seems to be I've seen when Charles downs. Appears and goes have an is day. And then there seems that get sucked me in front. Anyway, babble is on the other day, and I couldn't help. But think this is such a Markle by movie like is basically just guns God's six son ally, the movie is, but you know, I remember back in the day when we done our I love Carson. We review transform is the last night, and I asked the phrase does Michael by actually see the world this way in terms of different stereotypes of of gender, and and nationalities and stuff this has been peppered through every film. He's ever been involved. In like, bad boys, would is a great film, some bits of no aged world through the prism of two thousand eighteen throwing fueled man who likes to make man movies and men like it. And there's nothing wrong with that. But it's also like its first ten year old boy. It's just like he's much to encapsulate that career. He's definitely easing holding on his knee. But anyway, let's move away from from out stuff answer. No. So john. I know you're a massive marvel. Geico's always Spiderman far from home. Try to dropped a lot of people were disappointed the see to try to an extent because obviously what happens in he will. And hasn't concluded yet with the sequel and game coming up very soon, obviously spider man is going to live of asleep pay upon goes back to his normal life. And this is the next spot film the suspend disbelief in that joint, Jillian who is in this. Here's playing mysterious out. And he looks incredible in this row. Yes. That's yeah. That was the best part for me in Jake killing whole pop up. I mean, it looks goods is always a youngest an youngest by demand. I lose track of a mole Spiderman. They just get younger. But the story stays exactly the same as the coming of age story. And I don't know how that could be interesting after watching to Spiderman movies can you fill me in. Well, I'll cry diabetes. Basically that the first the first films directed by Sam Ramey. We've tied McGowan. I were. They were fantastic guy. We are replaced to them in lieu of Congo movies because they told us we could make films in these ways. I mean, I won't even include the third one in that one now for whatever reason signing decided to reboot with Andrew Garfield at the time the offing Andrew Garfield is a great spot. Man. Just he never got a great spot by movie they decided to go back to the drawing board. And I actually went with someone who was of school age. It's being these films, which is a good start. Because Andrew Garfield was he's he's when he started doing that like Jamaica dot state Besim me say where he's like Hello fellow pupils like his. It was it was looking a bit like bat. So I have deliberately tried to avoid the original story in the new versions side. Like, the dining do another origin story. Don't see another on cool. Ben get killed that just literally touch upon it in a fry sentence. She's quite Tom, Holland is a talent. If you haven't seen him in anything of light are highly recommended he's been casting a bunch of stuff because of of the he's raw was Paige Parker, but he's going to be in. And he's going to be in an uncharted movie. Which is going to be absolutely fantastic. He's been caused. I think he's just been casting a net flix film with Chris Evans, and like the longest cast going absolutely amazing people. And I think you'd actually if you just suspended the whole thing and just watch Tom Holland off an Eugene enjoy he's films. I'll give guy Flynn I promise anyway. So let's talk about every boat. That's coming final destination. Was was a film. You liked growing up was a big thing. It's not really personal votes in. It's like create. Of ways to kill someone. I mean, ask the drawer, isn't it? I hope they get someone amazing to be behind the camera in this. Because like you say, it's just a gimmick of things falling apart is basically like an episode of casualty. Sorry for a US audience. I basically as a TV show in the UK who casualty you'll never guess about. And it's essentially it's a hospital show where it will show people outside doing their normal stuff. And then obey like on the fine today partners. I yeah, I'll drop the kids off up just all tied the car. Yeah. They signed Rona breaks. But I'm sure it's not relate. It's going to happen in the next twenty minutes. Obviously an accident happens. And yeah, it feels like final destination is just foreshadowing a bunch of deaths in a hilarious manner. So not to Stokes about this. I think kind of leave in the past. But that being said there, there's some more creative things. Now though, right? We've cd. How realistic they can make things. Yeah. Let's let's say who gets involved they get the right crate if people like paper like James wan built their careers of of these of horrors. Right. So let's see what we can get a young upcoming amazing talent. And this is a good platform from an awesome. If it's more of the same. Then then I'm kind of out of that. Yes. I've been hanging out my door today. Hence while. I'm just trying not to swear neighbor. So Danny Glover, not to be confused with Donald Glover on the actually talking about the OJ, Danny Glover. Here's gain speed in the new Jumanji sequel, very good aquisition knock into all this shit. Yeah. Also debate was cast in December proper kept. It quiet. They'll just bought a wide. And like, that's an awesome acquisition him, and Danny Glover. That's incredible. Yeah. Like, we said last time we saw looking forward to this one German. So took us by surprise. I better than expected. Just please. Don guy down the road of it's gonna be alright pays borings. You know, it's going to happen next or bear. We're going to get Morgan Freeman and Markle carrying because I always seems to happen. And it's going to be a bunch of our boys. Can you share it? I can do it again in some video game in Germany. Got on that route Saturday cost. This is already huge, right? You've got the rock. You've got Kevin hall as long as you keep she's Twitter account claim them. Sure, he'll be sneaking around there. Jack black whose awful chat with Sasha revelation that he was already out of close you carrying Galen who who needs no introduction from that as well. Speaking of people who know who need no introduction, Christopher McCaw. Right. You know, you might not him as the director of the lights this mission impossible movie mission impossible foldout. He also directed goes nation. He's also had an amazing collaborative garnish it with Tom Cruise. I spanned over tons of films, Jack Reacher movies. I think it was involved in tomorrow. There's just tons and tons of stuff that word schedule. Now, they don't want to break up a good thing. So they're back together. And yes, there are back together not for one but two impossible missions mission impossible is doing back to back filming of two sequels. Christopher Corey Ryan interacting with Tom Cruise and it's coming out in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two retrospectively. That's pretty awesome. That's pretty cool. It seems like when you make an amazingly successful blockbuster light by you two movies, doesn't it? And there's a James Comey did it as well and Peter Jackson new film them back to back. And then stagger it it's quite clever way. I guess it's quite an economical web. Filming is a good way of Cape in energy gun done it with Infinity wall and end game. Now so done it with Baxter future. Tune for it's a good way of I like psyche can cost and keeping energy guy owed side, Mr. Cruz is now spring chicken or I s where he is actually aging backwards and yet I probably wants record of this as soon as possible. Now, these guys pushed the boundaries of his daughter, and if you're not. But every time has mission impossible movie. Now, there's always a delight because Tom Cruise get injured because he pushes himself to her. Whether you saying he's an old guy still trying to prove that you can still do it. He could prevent probably far better than what he had might be fair. But yeah, I think this I think even Tom Cruise acknowledging there's only so much gas in the tank so bad do what he can and push the boundaries not just with stunts, but with visual effects now they kind of got a bit of stick. I of the incident I of the last few weeks because Christmas core, I uploaded a video telling you to change the settings on your TV when watching mission impossible foldout, he wants get rid of motion blur or something he's like dishes how to film. This is what I might do film. This is how I intend to be my an annual TV is fucking up for me. So please, can you do your TV under these settings to watch the film? How I intended you to see Juno, Alaska genius. Because even if you weren't gonna watch. Share? You're like, oh, I'm I have to see it. Now must be something. So different values Ivan Trevor icon wanna say what I do next right because he was the guy who convinced Tom Cruise distract himself to the side of the plane as convinced him to like holies breath on the wall of abnormally long mounts of time like Tom Cruise has been pushed to physical limits that no one should have. And. It does it. He's he's he encourages the he'd he enables all of this. I I'm not saying, it's torture. And I'd love to sit like that it. I don't understand what's left for them to do. So Fidel for Chris Christie McCurry's we so excited that he has not signed on for one. But two and one the film backs back. He must have a pretty amazing idea to to set that emotion. Yes, pretty cool. What are them franchises? The isn't lineup is kind of good see, hopefully, they can keep it fresh enough a heart. So I love the fact that this the narrative of these mission impossible, movies reluctantly, always stays away from passing the mantle. So did you remember like introduced Jeremy arena in? I think it was. I think it wasn't guys park. Cool. And like, oh, okay. It's obviously I've got a younger guy here. And eventually at some point Tom Cruise will probably say well kid, you can handle this and all guys be a teacher. Or in fact, he even went to bed takes you to neighbor. All had knocked Tom craziest. Henry Cavill, who's been cast are amazing cars like this is great. He's he can carry this franchise for for first Moya's. Now, he's he's the sport. Or he's the bad guy in fold out and they kill him off, Tom Cruise. You are still front and center of this and long might continue. I hope whoever is making the new bond films is paying attention of house make a good modern action movie. And you know, he's done in a way, which is just so refreshing, even though is like six movies in that's amazing. Anyway, let's move away from blockbuster world, and let's talk about bird, and I are Gemini love this, man. He directed him. Right. Incredible movies, but he's been massive influence a picture. And I think he joined Pixar shortly off the the foaming picks Pixar and Steve Jobs got involved, and he is going to direct a musical now to go. So I'm pretty stoked about this. Yeah. This is exciting times is this on Broadway, I presume it's gonna get in Broadway. Westend are ashamed. It will probably go Broadway. Yeah. You don't just get spicy name's Brad bird. So that gives you quite a bit works. So be interesting to see how he gets involved in that Hayes narration of telling a story is sorry. Sorry. Impressive. Now at picks all these things that coudn't Brian trusts. If you've read the book creativity Inc. You now I'm talking about. And if you have an I really do encourage you to read it, it's the story of Pixar. And and how they were. But have these these takings brain trusts new idea, if this is basically you come with your your half, bike toddy, and these guys will basically shoot the shit until I get a good story and lots of things have changed as a result of this. I for example, up their original story on was actually meant to be a castle in the sky, and it was bad king who was out of the castle, and by basically Hackney sheets out of it till we go up the way we've seen down how amazing stat films beautiful especially that opening sequence is one of the most beautiful opening sequences in. Any film? You learn everything you need to know about man's life in a five minute segment with no dialogue and the emotion is fantastic. And it's an animated movie, and Brad bird was fundamentals for love these things and he's credit for a lot of inspiration for some of the wackier starred as pixels of a hat. He's also gets credit a for helping Imos in terms of help doing suss who suggestions and changes. And there's one thing in particular, which and absolutely capitalize this as in remembering the credit was maybe now as saying where Bob is having an argument with elastic. Oh, and he's like, I can't lose. You. Again starts starts by wailing on. Why can't lose her again? Now in the average version. And that was shown to the brain trust which brought bird off say was directing at the time. But obviously want to get feedback on at night height. It the same. They said he was to empower in. And it was like he was I must bullying elastic, go rubbing confessing how he felt. So I went back and everyone's time to get rid of the saying get rid of the saying gathered, retain, it's not worth it. It's it's going to change the dynamics the film, and no any good way. And he sat there I of how can I make this familiar? Reading pull insane is how expresses himself and everything else. So he changes one thing when Alaska turns around and says to him this isn't about you. He makes her extend her neck. So she's is ally with him because they're equal. And it means that he can show some be aggressive at her. And it's not frightening. It's just expressed himself and she can receive that and silent auction. Give is good as I get this about you, everyone looks completely different and said, this is one of the best things in the film NATs. National crocs move you've got to keep it in. So he can he can IMO in. He can figure out using motion people's body language in a way, which does tell a story. So I put that on a musical. We might signed Golson. You don't get the subtleties in musical. I am. I mean, as you might not my wife is in a musical the moment. She is a musical theater actress. So I've learned a lot about musicals. I mean, if you're halfway back in a fiercer. You can't see the subtleties is more obvious. So and countywide song. I know I'm looking forward to it. Because I mean, the book of Mormon is the best musical of all time, LA canyons. Trey Parker came from a film background and managed to work with an amazing composer who also did frozen. Named forgotten now. But yes, so I think speeds really good history of going well and go badly to be buffing brought bets on them people. He's just signals quality Disney. Yes. Yes. She did director guy back to mission impossible. He's directed emission possible movie. He goes protocal, which is great great film as well. So there you have it. I think that's pretty much the news this week. If there's anything with miss that. You want us to talk about getting contact was on Twitter at talk film to me. Hello film. We people apologies for audio quality in the next segments that this review of Bumblebee towards the end of last year. I was lucky enough to go to a special press screening of this. And I wanted to get one fullest down strike twice. I use my fines record the audio and hopefully with freedom. Magic of compression, you won't notice any difference. But Justin highs wants give the heads up. Anyway. Sit back relax enjoy place. There your favorite. Knows. And listen about on booby is the beetle for sale. Jurist kid. Happy birthday. Any OG listeners of the podcast will narrow the authors that review was of transformers the last night. Hopefully from that review, you gavitt two things one that hopefully with improved as podcast, I the last couple of years, but Oso that's I wasn't particularly a fan of that movie. I'm a massive fan of transformers on the nineties kid. I grew up loving those cartoons in the animated movies. But after the first Michael by movie, it's fair to say, it really did go downhill and Hasbro wasn't letting up that planned. I hold universe spinoff movies. And this is the first one out the gates Bumblebee, the origin story of the little yellow be to direct spy guy is not. So first of all this the first transformers movie to not be directed by by Mr. by himself, but he actually mocked by was a patrician this movie, but this is very much Travis. No at show at Trump's at comes from an animation background you might not necessarily associated with the big blockbuster. Popcorn flex at night's. Notably K by the two strings is he's like big crowning achievement before this movie, and he he just gets animation. He absolutely he did not well, it's ingrained in his day, and it shows in the movie. So anyway, the stood the origin story of this is that it said hundred ninety seven for a number of reasons. One the music chopping awesome. But oh sites around the time that the TV show was violent Mr. Travis. No, I grew up watching these TV shows, and he really wants to get back to what might those TV shows. Awesome. And he tries to catch like that in his film. And I think he does a great degree of success, and it's been written by Christina Hudson. As she write the screenplay affect for wonder woman. And yet, this is just another another not to her bow awesome films that she has a has helped hand with the story of so central costs at since juicing hailee Steinfeld filters that an amazing. Yeah. She was in spot Manning's despite of us as she Boise's. Side. She absurdness film. John CENA is plying classic army bad guard who is a bad guy. But that ended up becoming a good guy, but Johnson is actually at amazing actor Germany think he doesn't get the credit for through wacky. Does Benoy the story of this film's start since arbitron, which the first ten minutes is just peel IT's faced of your eyes of cyber Tron during the cyber charter wolves. Everyone's in their classic AT's colors, the noises of the and yet I was just sorry Hattie the odor invite violence screen bicycling, the wars happening Optimus prime sends Bumblebee who's not cold Bumblebee at the star. Actually, you learn the origins of his name, and is sent as on a scouting missions F one is being sent earth. A couple of follows follow suits like crash land. And basically Bumblebee has the hideout. How on earth he hides out as a little Volkswagen beetle, and then Heidi's character coup Charlie on her eighteenth theft, I stumbled upon Bumblebee kind of similar trips to the first transformers movie from that spectacle coming of age passing of the toge by the car turns out to transform and hilarity ensues. But yeah, this that's not that's not confused to maybe here. This is very much a movie and it signed ride with our story. And it does some Brady both things it doesn't absolutely smash you with with action. And it has a lot of character development that brings me back to Travis nor the guy obviously knows how to tell the story for it a medium of animation. He knows when those little subtle changes. Like, it's the owner said areas of dialogue for exploration in cooled practicing this film. He's also I've been really inspired by Steven Spielberg. That's definitely I sort of Amblin movie failed. If this especially the early scenes where where Charlie in Bumblebee hanging out around the house. Makes you think obviously of eighty when you're trying to hide that sort of stuff not necessarily trying to sites as good as 8-a under sinus inspired by eight and there's some really radio amazing scenes where it's judgments rain Bumblebee, and Charlie it's and this is just charming, and you wouldn't necessarily associate that with with the butter verse of transformers movie. So this is this is a much needed breath of fresh air. I think is actually the best transformers movie. I really enjoyed this vote the cost like I said before absolutely fantastic. It even plays. You got the touch by STAN Bush, just the even pay for more homage to it are really hyped. Travis noise allowed to continue making these movies. And all of a sudden, I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens next. There is some Easter eggs labor transforms movies. We talk about set to seven time. I why. But yes, I talk about in next quite a bit as well. Listen, really, good character bits this Optimus prime. That's Mike appearance in this. And. It. Big bold, colorful when I t's whilst assigned time the action scenes they're a little bit slower. There's only one thing in the center of the screen when the action scenes happening. So you can focus on what's going on. So it does it back. But by dialing it back. We get sorry. Much more on very very happy. Germany falls gonna come on guy trash move on without Germany enjoyed this four out of five. And I know that a lot of people skeptical about this. But trust me, this is the transformers. Maybe with always wanted for a five Bumblebee I've seen firsthand. These things really are. Maybe. There is only one way to end this. You must protect birth. So I went back with kindness week, and I've not the one who come up with the game this week. So John Tex major anyway, I've got an idea for a game. I'll tell you about it on the poll, and that's as much as I John wall is doing what is the game. What on earth we didn't? Well, it's pretty simple, right? I'm gonna play you a clip of a very famous film, and you are going to tell me what that film. Is sounds simple. Right. Sounds easy. Nothing's ever. Simple. Simple in this world. May I've changed it. I've used my audio. Proescutor prowess. To change the audio slightly make it sound a little bit weird. Okay. Okay. Sometimes it's being sped up slowed down. Tuned up June down reversed. So you already used, you know, again, Brian's brain week may just give an I noticed game. Yes, we do talk. Silly to me talk. Silly. Then he got talk. Silly to me and heavier. Got heavier for number one. This is the famous film famous quote from a famous film is being reversed. It's been reversed Gordon. The paper from from the six. Yes. Well done. No, I'm worried I've made this too easy. But we'll see how we guy. All right. We did talk about Darwin prizes or something or it's it's just a fun. You win one point. I wear a point. I mean prize. They always been prizes sizes. So this next one has been sped up. Okay. Are you ready? Pumpers? Pulp Fiction toll fiction. Joe say nigga Coloma Berga thing. I say climbs Ekho twenty-five. Motherfucker on our finance is also how they make the worms voices in if you play worms the video game. You know? Well, I think we've just on earth conspiracy. Hey, john. Okay. Next one. Are you ready? Yeah. Hit me. You should know this phone. This is being added lots of reverb those. Cowboys have ideas at this point. Oh, Batman, Jack Nicholson as the joker sighing before. He showed us. Thingy. Have you have done style? Devon psycho. I said before victims bus. I mean, this is Torrisi isn't it free points free? One is accountable as music from one film and quite from the other. The museum and us, you know, again to get some beef ready hit me. Okay. I've got to impose it. Joe's defame, telling me, a charms, dumb and dumber. Easy. Isn't it? John John Tarr time. Give me give me the price. You right. You're right. Well done you got them. Oh. I'm gonna make it much harder next week. I'm going to change make it sounds insane. I might do something with the music a bit good to have a music quizzes. Well, Dow some you already good at mashups. Thank you. Maybe I should make a film film. Mashups stubby have incredible. Actually in our listeners ideas for John to mash up in terms of aver famous quotes from movies or famous film schools. Get in contact with us on podcast at Tocqueville dot com by Email or DM on Twitter at Tocqueville with me. But I Germany enjoyed that John, and I feel like I know something about silly films. Now. Thank you for taking the time to listen to this podcast. If you've enjoyed listening to this is much as we've enjoyed my connect. Please click on the live. Subscribe follow. Whatever button is that you get more content frontal films me I want to find the one thousand people have started following us on Spotify. No, no, spy fi. Okay. That right on pumping, actually amazing. 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