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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Ex-Giant Brandon London visits the show
"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host for today. Ed Valentine today's show will feature an interview with former New York giant Brandon London who will be here to discuss some of the controversy in the conference championship games. He'll also talk about his new television job and the two thousand and seven giants run to the Super Bowl a team that Brandon was part of before we get to that just a couple of notes regarding the New York Giants. I wanted to wish. Good luck to former giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnolo who is reportedly the leading candidate for the defensive coordinator job with the Kansas City. Chiefs spags is a good coach better person. And we hope. That that he gets that job. He deserves to be back in the NFL. If that is something that he would like to do so fingers crossed for spags that he ends up with that job. Second of all just wanted to remind folks that we know the senior bowl is going on this week. We've had plenty of coverage at big blue view dot com. We've had a podcast here with Jason Evans discussing Duke quarterback. Daniel Jones just wanted to encourage you to check out all of our coverage at big blue view dot com. All of our draft profiles, everything that we continue to do as the build up to the draft continues. And we get you ready to find out what the giants will do when their turn comes up in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Okay. Without any further delay. Let's play the interview that I did with Brandon London. Okay. Giants fans I'm joined now by former New York giant, Brandon London. Who is also the co host of daily blast live and part of giants TV random. How are you today? Man. I'm great thanks for having me on can't wait to talk some some some football. Hey, you know, I thought about getting you on the other day I saw on on daily blast live you. You kinda went off on the on what happened Sunday with the the officiating in the saints Rams game. Just tell folks what you said. And we'll talk about that quickly. Well, you know, I was I was upset, you know, because anytime as a player, you know, you think about the long journey that you have throughout the OT as drought workouts. You know, your way family, you're working your buys off. You're trying to make a team China form an identity of its then you go through an entire football season. Where you go through the ups and downs injuries. Bad play sometimes bad coaching that sort of thing and you get to the play offs. You're hot you're playing good football. You know, a lot of players when your team are are making plays. And at the end of the game the game taken away from him by the referees. And I know it's unfortunate. I know we talk human error. I know we, you know, we say that the Rams. Two things got the ball back 'cause she scored in overtime or whatever. But had pets interference call being called. Saints would be able to down the ball three times kicked field. Go the couple of seconds left, and they'd be headed to the Super Bowl in Sean Payton at all yet was an apology from the NFL. And at that time where you looking at had they gone to the Super Bowl in one. You you're winning over two hundred thousand dollars for winning the Super Bowl. You don't want an apology at that situation. So I propose that the NFL starts doing to see Phil does and you're able to challenge certain play, sir penalty. If you think that there's a pass interference on on a plate, you can challenge that if you think that it was a pet a pass interference was called. And you don't think that it was a pessimist would be able to challenge that now in this case in the Phil would be able to jump in because it was under two minutes, and claw the keys all the cameras and technology that the NF. Dell has going on then they should be able to put something in place to where someone can phone in and say, hey that a PI call it needed to be called right there in the saints. Got the ball. You know, it's interesting because I do think that pass interference in some way, shape or form has got to become a review -able play in the NFL, just you know, without without going too far into this. 'cause I do want to hit a couple of other topics with you today. Are you on the bandwagon? That says everything should be review -able or do. We just need to to expand it to to pass interference in certain penalties. I'll I would say certain penalties. And I would say for the sake of the game is it would have to be blatant. I mean, if you think about it there's holding on every play call on every play, you know, there's PI on every play because db are taught that if a received push they pull, you know. So that receiver doesn't gain any sort of unfair leverage. But I think that's something blatant calls. That are missed like the roughing passer against hump Brady. And that in that chiefs, drives I think those should be some things that are that are review -able because those are big plays a fifteen yard penalty is a big play. You know? So you should be able to look at those in either tack on the penalty or take one off. So Brandon I really want to talk to you a little bit about the giants. And at big blue view throughout the off season. We've been running a series called a date to remember which looks at some of the greater moment. Some of the greater games in giants history. And today happens to be an anniversary of a game on that the two thousand and seven giants were involved in. And that's the team where you spent the year on the practice squad for the two thousand seven giants, correct? Yep. So what I wanted to ask you, you know, we're talking obviously about the NFC championship game against the forty Niners. And we're talking about that season in particular. What do you remember about that game? And you know, more more expansively about that season in particular or two thousand seven championship game was at Green Bay. In the in the frigid cold. I remember those guys went on on. I think that that the forty Niners game was was another year. I think those two thousand eleven season for the forty Niners game but back in no seven if refer talking the championship game. What actively remember is that Corey Webster interception because it was like a post corner round corner out by Donald driver. And like you said be on the practice squad that year I had to be the opposing team's number one receiver. I would put the jersey on you know, Richard Z that you know, were Dallas where the eighty one te'o. So that we had to be a Donald tribe or and we were working on that route because that was a staple and Green Bay's offense. So first time I ran out Rao, I'll believe it was on a to the Wednesday practice things Corey Webster called it on the sideline he jumped it. He knew formation. He jumped it. I feel made the catch. And I'll always remember. This cut this. He not like clap to say, stop this hands. He goes gang. I got a baked play. So then the Friday, we, you know, we ran into game we get different formations. We did different scenarios. And we ran it again. And I think broke on it. And he he he batted it down. And he was still set with himself that he didn't pick it because he knew what grew study through watching film to formation. He knew what to look for. So I believe they ran that same play earlier in the game. I believe this is the first or second quarter, but I believe because of pressure Brett farve was a neighbor throw the ball fast for two fourth quarter Iran that exact same place. Same route Corey Webster jump. It. Made the interception now all remember make out back, and we had the meeting for Tom Kaufman was prepping us for Super Bowl week and telling us how we're going to get on heart practices in first week because second week when you get out there. There to Zona at that time, which was hosting the secret bowl you everything's going to go. So Fash I'm going to be able to practice hard. You not gonna be able to get in as much film in federal times. So we had that meeting. He poured Webster walked up to me gave me a high five gave me like a hug, and was I be and I want you to know you got me ready for that play. You got me ready for this game. Now always remember that to this day that interception. Put us. So I can't believe I messed that up. I've been looking at the two thousand eleven story that we post day, but I've been reading so many of these lately and thinking about so many of the good memories. But but the takeaway from that is you're sitting here taking credit for that pick. I'm you know, I'm not going to take all credit. I kept my cool ten to fifteen percent. Honestly, you know, I I really feel as though it. He'll people can you people make fun of at times, you know, when when I say this, but I'll on feel like I was one of the most important players on that team. Because if you look at the wide receivers that we had to go up against and in the playoffs. Joy Galloway Terrel Owens, Donald driver, Greg Jennings. And and Randy moss. You could see the Daily Post op forget were whatever post you see them. They ran article on me when they said, I was any moss because I had how I had to get the BB's ready for guys like Mandy balls, and that sort of thing. So, you know, I don't necessarily take credit because I wasn't out there on the field with them, you know, but in terms of preparation work, but often get the guys ready to roll Wilson. Sam bad dog, Madison. The are w co. Orders Kevin Dockery, you can ask. Anyway, those guys about when they saw me lineup against them. You know me being scouting. They knew they were going to take a playoff. They knew they weren't gonna get easy because I was hungry. And I knew I had a job to do to prep those guys and also get myself ready. Just game ready case up to that. So you know, I I like to say that you know, I played a big part in in getting the team rights with goal. It is an example of some of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on. And the fact that that football is about more than you know, one or two guys it's about more than the quarterback. It's about more than the star offense. If player it's about everyone, you know who's involved in a given team. Oh, most definitely you can keep them Gordon further. Like you look at the giants facility in there. All the time in the cafeteria everyone in that organization kind of eat together. You know, the players are down there the marketing team down there. Giants cheapie with Bob Papa and Carl banks and all those guys they're older and another -nother area the cafeteria, and it just goes to show you and what fans really have to understand sometimes that everyone in that building in that facility has one goal in mind. And that's the do whatever they have to do to win the Super Bowl. So if you're on the PR staff, you're getting players ready for all types of interviews in prepping them to what they think that the New York media is gonna throw at them when it comes to marketing, they're doing all types of sponsorships with bud old deals, and Pepsi, and that sort of thing so everyone has a job to do in terms of making organization, look great making everything run smoothly. But in when you're. Working hard like that. Then that's how teams went Super Bowl because it just makes it that much easier for players. You know, Brandon? Let's talk about the current giants quickly. You were around enough in two thousand seventeen you you saw you know, how things kind of deteriorated this past season. The giants won only five games. You know, no one is happy with a five win season. But when you look at the giants where they are now versus where they were maybe at the end of two thousand seventeen. Do you feel like this team? This franchise is pointed back in a direction, you know, that that could take them back toward toward being contending a contending football team. Absolutely, absolutely. Because back in two thousand seventeen you know, when I was flying in because I was with you know morning show. And I wouldn't there every day. Like I was during the two thousand sixteen season. But like you said I was around enough. And when we went on that losing streak on when winning three games, you can see the morale was down in the entire building the entire building. It was like you're walking on eggshells the entire time. And you know, the in the locker room with the guys, and I have the jobs do with in terms of doing how well do, you know segments or no you're giants segments like playful type of segments with the guys that are going to err on the Jumbotron and life stadium. Noah wanted to do that. No one wanted to do anything playful. No one wanted to do anything in terms of having any sort of fun because losing was fun. And then you heard the grumblings Melanie from the players, but fans fast. Four or rewind last year around the same time. The morale was up. The morale was high guys new or guys felt like they could beat the bears guys felt like they were going to win against a forty Niners or whomever. It is that that that we had we had to play this year, and you can see in the way they played guys were competing. I think if you look at it we lost a lot of game by less than this. Ten this seven to ten points. You don't want a couple of plays away a couple of bed or early starts. You know, lethargic starts to I in terms of putting ourselves in the whole you look at the Philly game. We were going all we were throwing him running all over them in the first. And then we ended up losing that game in the second half. You didn't see that last year? You see you would see as I mean even see that two years ago. You would see his down. And then you would see guys kinda I mean, you'd kind of keep up not put in the effort, you know, and look at guys and people saying that bin that could do it boss the locker room, and you know, think with ally apple and all that stuff the got leaked out into the public. You could see that. But you didn't see that last year. So I feel as though at least this year we walked away knowing that we had a Follett rookie class last year. We have a running back of the future. The only questions I feel as though we're walking away with with all right outreach bringing guys to strengthen our defense op. There's the elevating question which has been there for quite some time. And then how do we strengthen off? It's a little bit more. But I mean, I you can see that in the fans, I believe, you know, the fans knew that guys were actually out there competing, and I think people are are cited about where we are. Now as opposed to where we were last year at this time. You know, Brandon? I know that you don't have a whole lot more time here today. But I did want to ask you, you know, you're a former player played in the NFL spent some time in the NFL. And now what you do with the giants. You know, icy you before games a lot of times, you're headed out to the parking lot to talk to fans, you're doing some of the things like you said that that that wind up on the Jumbotron, it's a vastly different experience for you. Just tell me a little bit about what that transition has been like for you. And and what that experience is like, I know you're up in the crowd during training camps as well. You know, what that experience is like for you, you know, getting out there and getting one on one with with giants fans. I mean, as it's a blessing man, it's an absolute blessing, and I'm humble because of it because if you think about it, you look at the last two gigs and all that out booked, you know, the the morning show or the. Talk show that on the nationally syndicated talk show that I'm on now caught daily blast live. And then the show last year that I spent a little time with called morning dose. Was was a was a morning. A morning talk show. I wouldn't have gotten those gigs. If it wasn't for my time with the New York Giants when I retired from the CFO role. I couldn't read teleprompter. Don Sperling who's the executive producer and head of giants. TV took a chance on me because they told me, and this is why people should always. Remember, there are people watching you at all times. They told me that was a pleasure pleasure to be around during my my practice squad time there at my time there, they say, I was always working hard. I always had sort of personality it even fast or what eighteen nineteen years later. And they brought me in for my first real gig. You know, and then you get the chance of being around the old Beckham junior being around ally who I used to sit next to in meetings in offense and meetings back through my rookie year. You get around to be around Zach Yossi who came in with as rookie in that. He's the blessing to be around football. And then you get a chance to go and hang out with feigns. When I go through the thing cake, you know, and I go and highlight one of the giants fans fame case, you get to hear the stories about how these people became giants fans how you know year about. People's grandparents being on their deathbed passing down memorabilia to keep it in the family. You hear about a willington marrow a handwriting letters to fans back in like the nineteen twenties. Nineteen thirties you hear about that stuff that you feel part of an organization, and I think I'm just the example of I'm the example of what they call once. The giant always giant. No, I wasn't micro stray ham nine the ring of honor. I'm not just talking about OC, human Europe. But I'm still I'm still on the Jumbotron, I'm still access on the field hanging out with your misdemeanor. Talking to him before the games mister Gettleman Columbia. Hey this London. Remember me from rookie year, though that sort of thing. So I look at it as a blessing because it sparked my career, and I look at it where you know, one day be able to look back on it. Give Don Sperling, a huge hug half him in my EMMY speech because he's the guy that got me started in this. Career. Hey, Brandon really appreciate your taking a few minutes. If I'm not if I'm not mistaken. It's at Brandon London. Tv on Twitter. Correct. Yes, sir. Also should media outlets. All right. And you're always welcome to to come here on big blue view radio and spend a few minutes with us. So hopefully, we'll be talking with you again, no problem. And I thank you for having me on on my actually headed and a little bit tour Landau for the cover the Pro Bowl practices. And also, you know fans if they want to get a behind the scenes look at Michael Thomas object row sauce, and those guys what they do behind the scenes at the Pro Bowl that make sure they follow my Instagram stories. And and I g so they can see that you had to tell me that when I'm looking out my window at a foot and a half, a snow. Didn't you? It's already out here in Denver. It's no last night as well. So I feel your pain brother. All right. We'll talk again soon. Brandon Bye-bye, thanks for having me. Alright giants fans are thanks to Brandon London for spending some time with us. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Previewing Giants-Cowboys, second half of season
"I want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any any Ninja Warrior Fan Hello and happy Monday New York giants fans you are listening to the Valentine views podcast here on the radio part of the SP the nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue coming to you on Monday November fourth as as the New York giants get ready to face the Dallas cowboys in Monday night football here at the end of week nine of the NFL season and just wanted to talk about a few giants related things before we get to a cowboys giants preview interview that I did with Rj a chore of SP nations blogging the boys always enjoy talking RJ. And I hope that that you guys will enjoy the interview that he and I did as we lead beat up to to the Monday night game of few few things about the giants you know as I as this is the beginning of the second half of the season and in the first half two and six obviously disappointing obviously not what the giants had hoped for look back on it and quite obviously the giants left a couple of winnable games you know on the table week two against the buffalo bills was a game that that I think we all thought that the giants had an opportunity to win look back at that game and there were some circumstances in that game some things that happened that that prevented the giants from winning winning the bills are a little bit better than than we thought up but that was still a winnable game of the game last week even against the Detroit the Detroit Lions definitely a winnable game even though it was on the road in Detroit five point loss in which the giants you cost themselves a touchdown on an unfortunate backward pass by Daniel Jones that turned into a Detroit touchdown some other circumstances that prevented the giants you know from from scoring points in that game also gave up a couple of long touchdown plays including including a forty nine yard touchdown pass winnable game five point loss that that could have been a giant victory the sore point that sticks sticks out as you look back at the giants first half of the season was losing at home to the Arizona cardinals a team that's not better than the giants team that it came in as the underdog came into metlife stadium as the underdog and jumped out to a seventeen zero lead that has to be the the the most disappointing game of the first half of the season look at the two and six giants though n. n you think you look at the record and you don't see much progress from a year ago when they were one in seven but I think you do see some progress in terms the roster that's on the field I think there there are more young players there are more pieces to build around there are more players on this roster who you want to get second contract guys you WanNa keep long-term I guess the best way to put it is there are more players on this roster who can be part of the solution going forward than I think there have been in quite a while there are obviously still holes to fill still work to be he done but there are more pieces to feel good about more more parts of the puzzle than there have been in quite a while so so what what I really WanNa talk about though is the second half of the season and specifically tonight's game against the Dallas Cowboys let's focus on on tonight I I mean if you look at the at the staff picks column at Big Move You know one is picking the giants to win on and Sunday night that is justifiable I'm not picking them to win either but let's be honest there have been some signs over the past few you days that are positive ones for the giants Sterling Shepherd will return saquon Barkley should be even healthier than he who was as he continues to to get better and get farther away from that weak week three high ankle sprain that he suffered the giants should be the best that they've been in terms of health in terms of of of what they bring to the table offensively they should it'd be the best that they've been all season with shepherd with saquon Barkley with Golden Tate with Evan Ingram Grimm all playing for the first time this season you have Daniel Jones at quarterback and he will have his full complement of of offensive playmakers for the first time this year will see what the giants can can make of that will begin to see what head coach Pat Shurmur really we really wants the New York giants offense to look like with all of his playmakers on the field the other reason for optimism you know you look at the the defensive side of the ball giants made trade last week four Leonard Williams which adds talent adds a former top ten of the first round pick to the defense offense they added Dion Buchanan a couple of weeks ago and he should continue to play more and more looks like the giants will mostly play him probably the guy who loses snaps to him his his David Mayo and and I find that a little bit unfortunate Mayo has played well but Mayo does have have issues in pass coverage where I think the giants believed that the own Buchanan can can upgrade giants in that area will see how that goes I like Mayo as a player I also you know I supported bringing in Buchanan so let's get him on the field let's see what he's got let's see if he can be part of the long term solution going forward going into the twenty twenty season and we'll see we'll see where that goes but you know the giants have added a couple of pieces on defense you know over the past couple of weeks so there's that to feel good about also we found out on Sunday Sunday that there's a possibility that that pro bowl linebacker latent vandereycken won't play for the Dallas Cowboys evanger Russia's a tremendous player at the second level of the of the of the Dallas defense so that's a huge loss for the cowboys boy if he doesn't play in a huge break for the giants so there are some some positive signs some things that might sort of tilt the table toward the giants just a little bit giants are seven point underdogs but You know those those things might give you reason in for optimism I know the giants are many of the guys in the secondary are also still upset regarding you know being mocked a little bit by the cowboys for some of the mistakes that they made in the week one loss to Dallas so there's a little bit of a little bit of revenge little bit of motivation factor there as well will you know when it comes down to it I believe at this point in time that the cowboys remain a better team than the giants will see hey how Monday night turns out there's no way that I could go out on the limb of actually picking the giants to win this game and I didn't do that in Dr Staff Picks Column at at Big Blue View I would expect a Dallas victory on Monday night but there are some signs of you know that the giants could could have an opportunity for an upset here and we'll see how it goes but you know also as we look forward to the second half of the two thousand in nineteen season I find some reasons for optimism with the New York giants and most of that has to do with the young talent on the roster you have a developing developing young quarterback in Daniel Jones we've seen some of the really good things from Jones we've seen you know some of the words some of the places where he needs development I think you can be optimistic about his future and I think it'll be fun to watch and see how how he develops in the second half of the season we've also seen you know one of the things we ask for with so many of the young players I think there was a stat from field yates of ESPN the other day that he put out that the giants have used rookies for far more snaps at least five hundred hundred more snaps than any other team in the NFL which just points to development the the youth that the giants have and the growth growth that you can hope for and I think that what we've seen with some of these young players we've seen Dexter Lawrence the the seventeenth overall pick I think we've seen him get better from week one to week eight I think you can feel good about about his development continuing to to go in an upward trend trend I think we've seen De'andre Baker the first round pick at corner I think it was thirtieth overall we've seen him improve from week one to week eight that's what you want from your young players we're seeing more and more impact from wide receiver Darius Slayton the fifth overall pick so you look at those young players and you want them to trend upward and I think that's what we're seeing with the giants so I think there are some reasons for optimism we'll see if any more of the young players will see if Julian Lavin Corey Ballantyne Sam bill some of those young players are able to make an impact over over the final half of the season but I do feel like there are reasons to be optimistic about the giants heading into the second half and particularly particularly when you spend forward looking toward you know what the giants could be next season when Dave gettleman has a chance to breath to go through another draft has a chance to to use some of the the cap space that the giants have created to perhaps a couple of of veteran players at at key spots and I think there are reasons to feel good about the giants going forward word so so we'll see what happens the second half of the season and we'll see what happens on Monday night giants fans let's do this right now let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors and will come back in here the interview that I did with Rj Ocho of blogging the boys check out the American Ninja Warrior podcast for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts hey hey spencer hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script happen to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle missile we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP all right giants fans I'm joined now by R J O of sp nations blogging the boys as we look forward to the Monday night game in between your giants and the Dallas Cowboys Rj. Thanks for joining us. It's always a always fun to have you on of course a little sad this is the last time of the year that will be together but it's always fun it's always good I always enjoy it you know even though e- even though we have opposite opposite interests I guess you know we we can get along yeah of course I mean we we've got mutual enemies and mutual things that we dislike Mike so you know there's this coming out of there for sure well let's just be honest everybody dislikes eagles fans out man I I think even like there's a large portion of eagles fans that you know I think there are some that dislike he goes fans like sometimes like giants fan will do something bad and you'll see like somebody somebody chirp out it's like oh they don't speak for us like that that giants fan is an outlet that never happens like anytime like an eagles fan doesn't really bad they're like yeah that's one of us Oh my God now what are you what are you GonNa do what are you going to do they're they're they're completely separate species but anyway let's let's talk about about Monday night let's talk about giants giants Cowboys Dallas beat the giants so weak won pretty handily thirty five to seventeen you know things things have have gone a little differently for each team since then cowboys are leading the NFC east to the giants have lost four in a row unfortunately eh but let me ask you at this point Dallas four and three new sitting atop the the NFC East but are are you happy happy with what you've seen from Dallas so far this season or a little bit concerned I know there was a three game losing streak in the middle of all of that yeah I think I'm having this conversation with somebody day I mean I think this is maybe the worst possible result of the first seven weeks and you know considering that they're four and three it's hard hard to be disappointed with that but you know I had talked a lot about the beginning of the season that the cowboys had to win their first three games had to go through you know if they wanted a shot to win the division because yes and I mean this was no offense I mean they were playing the giants redskins dolphins and you have to stack up the winnable games in the NFL and You know because you're gonNA come into games that are difficult goal you're gonNA lose games that you shouldn't you're going to win games that you shouldn't and we saw an example of the former with the New York jets So hopefully the cowboys good New England and when that win or something but I think often considered it's you know you're fairly pleased if you're a cowboys fan you certainly want more it was embarrassing to the jets but you got that win over the eagles and that one's going to go a long way so so how did losing to the jets happen anyway you know sooner or later the week before it was a you know the the three losses the one against New Orleans how I think there were some weird circumstances and I know this is about the jets but you know Jason Witten fumbled Zeke Elliot had a fumble that was a weird ruling in fact it went to review and it was still ruled a fumble even though he was clearly down Randall cobb dropped and third down pass until you had this this batch of weird against New Orleans and then against the packers against the jets you know against Green Bay fell down thirty one to three in the blink of an eye and against suggests it fell down twenty one to three in a blink of an eye and you fall down something like that early on your entire game plan is totally different before the cowboys in the eagles a couple of weeks ago before that game they had not started a single drive in opponent territory they had not started on the plus side of the fifty yard line so you know I think against the packers against the jets that think they made some mistakes that you can overcome if you can get the ball in favorable situations because of turnovers or whatever but the cow I was just weren't doing that they dug themselves to deep holes and tried to count on their ability to jump out and it just wasn't enough it's interesting you mention Incheon along the way that that you know four and three was pretty much the the the scenario for for the for the cowboys and pretty much I'd guess you said sort of the the worst case at this point but and I look at the giants at two and six and I think four straight losses and I think two who in six for them right now is probably also what I would have thought would have been the worst case scenario for the giants let me ask you a giants related question at this point obviously you know there's been a quarterback change with the giants how what does that quarterback change from ally Manning to Daniel Jones on impact may be the way that you look at this game you know I think it's significant obviously I mean anytime a team in the division you know makes a clear and concise effort changing the most important position on the field it's it's a very different thing and you know I know you and I've talked about this both on and off it I've got a great deal of respect for you I manning so the things I've got to say are not meant to sound sarcastic by any means but he is you know at this point he's Kinda stuck behind that pocket and the cowboys have at times quite the ferocious pass rush and we've seen Daniel Jones some wheels Certainly throughout the games that he started for the giants and so I think that really changes things I mean demarcus Lawrence has has been pretty public about his feelings of Eli Manning and the giants continuing to employ him as the team's starting quarterback and so I mean in in in that respect it's like the giants have almost fed into exactly what the hours want the cowboys won a quarterback that's GonNa sit back there and try to win from the pocket I want to beat them is to get out of it and so I think Daniel Jones is capable of doing that which certainly opens up a lot of possibilities for the giants offensively I wanted to ask you about demarcus demarcus Lawrence I mean what is the deal with demarcus Lawrence in the little manning comments I mean he's he being sarcastic is he taking a shot at Eli why is he taking a shot at Jones is he just having fun or is he just demarcus being demarcus you know I think it's all of it honestly I I mean that's the kind of guy he is he's he's not shy about you know talking about what's on his mind obviously just got paid by the Dallas cowboys he is to date the the richest player in franchise history and you know last year he was really public celebrations in the year before last year on the franchise tidied before he was in a contract career and You know he's he's not somebody who's going to acquiesce to the way you know politically correct players can handle things he's not going to be saquon Barkley and just kind of keep his head down and you know he's performed well against the giants and the cowboys have in recent memory I think the last cowboys lost to the giants was twenty sixteen 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The Ocho: Rivalry Week (New York Giants)
"American. What about the welcome to another episode of the Ocho presentative in partnership as always nations blogging, the boys dot com name Joe Chou enemy of course from BBB, and from radio host on the show it is Wednesday July first two thousand and twenty. We hope all is well wherever you are. We hope you're happy. Safe healthy and hope that you are having a fantastic Hump Day. It is July which means that two weeks from today is July fifteenth because today's July the first. That's the way that works one fourteen fifteen Bam. In July the fifteenth. Is the deadline day deadline back day? Whatever you WANNA, call it July fifteenth last date of the Dallas. Cowboys had negotiate a long term contract with their quarterback. Dak Prescott. We all know has signed his franchise tag. And now we will await to see what happens whether he and the cowboys ultimately landed four year. Deal a five year deal whatever the case may be. Going to be a lot of fun hopefully. Two weeks from today to today, I should be moved into my new house and. Moving sucks. I just want to say that again. Moving sucks, but you know what does not suck talking football with some friends. We talked about it. This week is rivalry week across SP nation platforms and to celebrate that we are discussing and dissecting analyzing in. About every NFC, east rival of the Dallas Cowboys, of course, includes a New York giants Washington. Redskins Philadelphia Eagles today. We're discussing the New York football giants. That's right the. Moon are the subject of today's discussion, and in order to discuss big blue. We brought in somebody who knows them quite well from Biglou Dot, com explanations home new. York giants content manager editor-in-chief Extraordinary Ed Valentine. If you're a long-time listener here to the show, you know you've heard him. He's fantastic. Nobody knows the giants be like he does speaking of the show. You can get access to all of our wonderful shows across the blog on the boys podcast network today you will have a brand new episode of talk in the Star later on in your podcast. Feed makes you do subscribe wherever you get your podcasts whether that's apple. Apple Devices spotify tune in radio stitcher. We're available everywhere, my friend if you need help figuring it out, you can always hit me up on twitter or Instagram I am at RJ show on both platforms. My are open. You can also shoot me an email. RJ DOT JOA AT ESPIONAGE DOT COM, if that is more your speed speaking of speed, you know who has a lot of speed lately. The Dallas cowboys cowboys have won six games in a row against the New York giants, and that's worth talking about so let's go ahead and do that from big blue dot com. Ed Valentine joins US next. Right here on the OCHO. Pleased to be joined now by a very special guest of very special friend of mine, a very special friend of yours, the one, the only legend all across the world from nations Biglou Dot, com, manager and editor in chief over there. Ed Valentine Ed goes. It's good, I mean. How do I live up to that RJ? You set me up to fail. Now. I don't think that's true. You know we always get such great feedback when you're on the show Ed. people talk about how nice you are about pulling for the giants and so in the spirit of niceness. I have to start off with a question in terms of of of just kind of how you doing. How are you feeling? About Jason Garrett your months in, but what would have been like that? Well, you know it said. That's a weird question. RJ, because with every honestly with with everything with everything. That's that's been going on. With the pandemic, and the fact that the giants never practiced in the spring. You know no NFL team did obviously. We haven't had the opportunity to even speak with Garrett. Media Wise we haven't so I. Mean I'm very curious. How he handles the transition back to offensive coordinator. I think he'll be fine. You know I'm very curious how it all works out like I said it's it's we just haven't had an opportunity to to see it or feel it out at all yet. Totally I was thinking the other day about how you know by now. He would have all sorts of photos Ri- like you know how challenging it can be when you're writing an article, and you're looking for the right photo to put as the head and whatnot, and we don't have any photos of any of the rookies in their uniforms and. And whatnot not as or anything and I was thinking. We don't even have a photo of Jason Garrett in a giants Polo. You know what I mean like. That doesn't exist I'm sure he's got one like on his iphone somewhere but but there are no. There are none in our libraries that we use you know what I mean. No, it is really weird, because as you said you know one of the things that I missed and I'm sure that that you do as well one of the things that that I really look forward to. Through the spring is to get an idea. You know you get to meet some of the new coaches, and then you get to see the players on the field a little bit, and you can't necessarily judge a guy as completely as far as whether he's. GonNa make a roster? You know when? When they're in shorts and t shirts, but you get an idea which you know late round draft picks which undrafted guys might really have a chance. And I miss that. Well. I. Just thought as you answer that by the way the headline for the first New York giants of two thousand twenty will be hold your judge. Meant you know what I mean like that's? That's coming around the corner. If if you haven't, you couldn't tell before I. I didn't WanNa Know Ed pandemic aside as difficult as that can be. Is this the strangest New York giants offseason that you've ever covered been? You've been around the team for a long time, but our the new head coach with manning retiring. I have to imagine it's. It's been strange in football senses only. It's been very weird. It's going to be very weird to go and see the giants, and not see you know number ten be part of the you know, be be part of the roster and just be part of a part of the deal. Part of what you're covering. You know I've been doing this. Since two thousand seven, so allies been there the entire time. So that's weird. You know an again. It's a new coach it's. It's strange because all. We've really had the opportunity to do I mean I was able to go to. An introductory press conference for judge, but other than that. You know it's all been virtual. You know meeting. The draft picks has all been virtual, so it is. It's a really weird off season. I think for everybody and. So. We'll see how it all plays out. I worry Joe. Judge will deny and has denied it. which he supposed to do, but I worry about a team like the giants with the new coach with a new offensive coordinator, new defensive coordinator, so many young players I worry how prepared the giants can actually be when the season starts, those are fair questions I mean for a lot of teams. The NFC, east, obviously an interesting place with the rebuild happening in seventy five percent of the teams so it's GonNa be a fun season God. Willing It is rivalry week, ed as you are well aware, and in the spirit of that. We thought we'd have you on to talk. some cowboys, giants, rivalry I'll, be honest. You mentioned two thousand seven that run from Oh. Six through like eleven that was speaking in I. Think on behalf of all cowboys fans, it was. It was cowboys giants. I mean you looked forward to those games in a different way I again? Being honest, I don't think that the the matchup has had that same sort of pizzazz. Since then, what are your general thoughts on the rivalry between the New York giants in Dallas cowboys well RJ, it's interesting because it the first thing that I thought of when rivalry week came up. Is the fact that in. Let's face it. The giants have been bad. For Awhile now, let's look you know I'm not gonNA. Sit here and blow smoke. In tell you that they haven't been. They've been bad. In the first thing that I thought of is okay. Who's the biggest rival? and. The reality of it that the the reality that I came to is when you're bad. Like, the cowboys have beaten the giants now. Six out of seven times, giants have had one of the two thousand sixteen was an aberration. You know when they made the playoffs. In both games, they feed them both games, but you know, but it's been what six straight losses now I think something like that and I looked at the the eagles. It's even worse. The giants have won once in the last twelve games against against the eagles, and it's like. Can you really be a rival if you never win? I mean you can, but it certainly doesn't have the the luster. It certainly doesn't have the. The the the magnetism or the draw snow. It's it's. It's hard to get fired up. For Cowboys Games when you know you're. You're GonNa be walking away the tail between your legs. You know yeah, no, I. Get that I mean if if a team's not doing what. The browns, not that the giants of the Browns, but the browns don't have any sort of staunch rivals. You know what I mean. There are different storylines, but in terms of success in the playoffs on the line or whatever the case may be, it's hard to find that you know for the giants here of because even those two games in sixteen were not you know like heavyweight battles. You know what I mean I won. The first one was the season opener the second was that super cold game. I'd say the last cowboys giants game where I really kind of held my breath. If you wanted to put it that way in two thousand thirteen when the cowboys went to New York, it was the I believe the Sunday before. Thanksgiving in Romo had a game winning drive that he put together and Dan Bailey kicked the game winner. you, you said I mean this was five questions. I'll start with the fifth when you said you were wondering who the biggest rival for the giants is historically over the course of the New York giants history. WHO's their biggest rival him? Well. You know historically historically you can argue either of the two NFC east teams you can argue. About the cowboys and you can argue about the eagles I think. The. The team that makes giants fans the most emotional. To be honest with you, the team that makes them the most emotional is probably the eagles in it's just because of the tone of the back, and forth between the fan bases. If you really WANNA, look at history and I i. thought about this a lot. If you really WANNA, look at history. Between two teams that have played a ton. Of, really really huge meaningful games especially playoff games. You. hasn't been recently really, but you actually look at the giants in the forty niners. Eighties in all NFC championship games. In the nineties and then you know the the. God forbid I even mention his name, but the Trey Junkin game back in I think two thousand and two when when he couldn't snap the. Snap the ball and you know and then two thousand eleven. Championship game to get to to get to the Super Bowl. You know those are some of the biggest games most memorable games in giants history, but it's it's so hard for me to between cowboys and Eagles. You know if you if you WanNa, just talk in east but I honestly think that it's the eagles fans that that get under the skin of giants fans more than more than Dallas fans even. My dog has been a guest on our our shows lately, and our doorbell just rang, so he is. He's a he's either upset at the doorbell, or he's upset that you did not pick the cowboys because he's a cowboys fan Well, you know what he can be mad at me. Everybody's mad at me all the time. So that's all right. So I agree I think the forty niners could certainly be an answer couch to as little bear his name, his bear that I've created rivalry for him. With. Excited you do that to your dog. Yeah, I know, but he is calming down now. Thankfully, I think. It is interesting that the forty niners could be. Could be an answer for both the giants and the cowboys. Obviously those nineties eighties battles between thousand San Francisco, or something. You know something to hold in their own right it bear. It is seriously Ed ed is. He respects the cowboys K.. C.? He always seems to show up when I talk RJ I know. To, be honest. He was passed out. He was sleeping, but the doorbell rang. We I've I've said several times on our show. My wife and I were moving, and so we're getting all sorts of different things delivered right now, so he's I think he settled down. It's okay, dude it's fine. We all hated a forty nine. seriously. It's good but. So I I think it's fair I think. At the end of the week. I'm going to pick who I think. The cowboys biggest rival is back. I'm leaning in the direction. At least right now of the eagles, there was a time where I, said I think it was kind of the beginning of Tony Romo's career where the giants for the game that made a lot of cowboys, fans emotional so I'll pivot to distance to make it all about the cowboys, which is kind the cowboy way who is the Dallas? Cowboy ed giants. Fans have hated the most. I mean just could not stand. Oh Man. You know I when you know when when you. Asked me to come on. You sent me a list of questions and. And I could. Probably I could probably go through a bunch of names. But I'll tell you. The one that I keep coming back to is one. That might surprise you a little bit okay. I keep coming back to flow Zell Adams. Wow, I keep coming back to flow Zell Adams because of the dirty hit. On Justin Tuck. That caused him a two thousand nine injury that bugged him for basically the rest of his career. Yeah, I mean people. hold onto stuff like that forever. I can see flows. L Adams the one. You think they hate the most. He's the one that he's the one that I keep coming back to. I mean I'll be honest. I mean the the the nineties. Cowboys those great teams that they had. A lot of respect for those teams the the one guy that jumps out at me. That always bugged me. And maybe it's because he bugs me to this day. Because I just I just don't. I don't really. I don't like arrogant. People who are full of themselves in the guy that bugs me is Michael Irvin. He's He's a if you're a cowboys fan, that's your guy. You know what I mean. Of. Course it is as bare agrees in unison. No I get that I mean that that's a fair one i. think in similar ways like a lot of cow was fans have been annoyed by ally. Manning and I think that they will be very annoyed. When ally manning goes into the hall of fame. At that allies Eric or anything, but you. You just have that one. You know what I mean. You have that one for whatever reason you can't explain I think somebody that just and it wasn't that that he did anything I. think that annoyed. Cowboys fans as much as he just kind of ICE Games which was annoying brandon, Jacobs. He was so annoying as a cowboy. It's it's. It's funny. Because Brandon. Jacobs I think. Like I mentioned Michael Irvin and I can see how Brandon Jacobs. With the whole chicken wings celebration for his touchdowns, and in and I can see how Brandon Jacobs because he wasn't in your face kind of personality, one of the one of the questions that you had sent you know to me was about you know favored games, or you know memorable moments. And I went back and I thought it. The two thousand and eight playoff game. All right. The divisional round. Playoff game did. On the way to the Super Bowl Win for the trump right on the way to the giants Super Bowl win too I think it might have been New Year's Day. Even I'm not even sure pink. You're right, yes? I was not a good time. Brandon Jacobs last minute of the game. Scores. Game winning touchdown. And stamps. Himself as a hated New York giant in the memory of Dallas cowboys fans forever by running through the end saw and throwing the ball shocking the bill off the clock. Yeah, it was. At the old Texas Stadium, they had these stars that kind of mind the walls and he threw it right at that that was. Yeah, so and again that was that was a typical Brandon Jacobs moment you know that that stamps him in the memory of giants, fans as a favorite forever. An as a guy that you know the the cowboys fans, would you know would like to do bad things, too? So is that your favorite giants I? Think that's a fair very fair answer. Your favorite giants win against the cowboys in. It is the one that comes to mind and I I have mentioned. This to you before, but the other one that always comes to mind for me. There are several I can make you know. I can talk about the J.. P. Blocked Field Goal Game Up. In all of that, you know because to be honest. In any game? Any game that that puts that Sour puss on Jerry Jones his face. Is is a favorite for me, but one of my all time favorites is beating the cowboys. I think it was was a two thousand and nine or two thousand week to week to the aid, the Monday opening. The opener of Jerry Dome. And in the thing that that I always remember about that game isn't even so much the game it's that ally. Manning signed the Walnut Locker Room Yeah. So very uncharacteristic, and he will say that he was asked to do that. You know, but but I'm not sure I buy that. That was Sunday night football, and I only apply that distinction because it was kind of the beginning of the the cowboys, giants Sunday night football just run run and run. That's unfortunately. There are a lot of time. Giants losses I think for cowboys. I think the the loss that sticks out the most is without question. The the playoff game and I think that that hurts even more over time. Just because of how good we look back in that two thousand seven cowboys team was thirteen dollars and whatnot. yeah. I, I've said this several times I. Don't think the cowboys would have beaten the Patriots in the Super Bowl, and as somebody that was my senior year of high school, and I really just hated the Patriots into not want them to win so in I. Mean people have kind of debated this forever? I rooted for the giants and that super. Bowl If it's any sort of olive branch, but I I mean the ad man, and I did not realize how many paint philosophies though that. Oh, nine loss was tough. It's also interesting because I think when we follow teams. We always have years when we thank you know in. You're talking about one for the cowboys in. Mind for the giants is the season the year that PLAXICO burress put a bullet in his leg. You know and basically. took the best team of the Coughlin Manning era. And flushed it down the toilet. Because, they were I think they were ten in one or eleven one at the time. Best Team in football at the time. And couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs after after that happened. You know so I I think we all have those teams where we think that should have been the one. That was my freshman year of college and. How you can look at things through the lens of your favorite team I remember who did the giants lose to in the in the division around in two thousand eight. Was it the Eagles Yeah? said it wasn't even a competitive game. Right and I remember saying like just to everybody who would listen all a year ago. The cowboys lost and everybody gave him all this flack for being the number, one seed and losing at home in the playoffs you know, and then like nobody cared maybe people, certainly in your circle I was obviously looking at it through a specific prison but it felt like. If the OH, a giants enacted anywhere near the Flak, the Oh, seven cow was did for losing I believe also in two thousand eight, the number one seed in the AFC lost. Their first playoff game to the The I think that was carried collinses Tennessee Titans. If Fat, my memory does not fail me so I'm how RJ, somehow that didn't register in my. what is the giants loss Ed to the cowboys that has made giants fans the most emotional. All that are J. I do not know what I really should do during the next week or so is I, really should poll the fan base, and and ask you know you mentioned. One one of the Games that you mentioned. I, think was was two thousand thirteen. And it's it's one that kind of sticks in my it sticks in my memory bank, because believe it or not, that was year. The giants actually started owens six. Oh, that's right and there was point in time. There, there was a point in time while here. They had fought back to a point where. They were an actual legitimate playoff team, and it really been just. For me, that would have been just an incredible store for a team to go. Owen six and fight its way back. In get to and get to the playoffs in that particular game. Was a late season game against Dallas at Metlife Stadium in Dallas, came back and won that game on a late drive. And I! Just remember the giants and I. Don't know who I don't know. If he was out there because of an injury or what had happened, but late in the game. I look. And I see an aging entre roll. Out there and ontrol rolls a great player for a long time. But at this point in his career, he was near the end and I think this was his final season with the giants. And for. For whatever reason? The giants on the final drive of the game head entre role matched up one on one with Dez Bryant. Play after play after times and. And I was like. Soon as I saw it sitting in the press box, I was like. This is bad, not work and and I'd have to go back and look at the numbers, but but there were several big completions in a late net game to Dez Bryant and I was like this. This is just not gonNA work. If the giants had a real cornerback over there, they might win this game. But it's not gonNA happen. Now is a good win for the cowboys I think and I talked about this yesterday. When I set you up coming on the show. My favorite in some of this is like when you're in different stages of life, you know wins and memories have different meaning to you. And this was when I was in high school in this was Tony. Romo's first season in two thousand six the cowboys went to New York late afternoon. Game I'll never forget. The giants wore those home. Reds that we just don't see enough of anymore and never WANNA see those. Ads. and Martine Gramatica who had just been signed, kicked the game winning field goal. Teo had a touchdown in that game. That was that was just a lot of fun. I mean that was a great game in a great win for the cowboys and you know some some. Times metlife. To, we thought to feel, go winners all right. You know it's funny because. I get asked all the time with with the giants with Joe Judge, and with the current situation that were in you know no spring practices in in all of that. Giants have only one nine games last two years. Everybody wants to see the giants. Take a jump. Take a step forward. Maybe wind, seven or eight games, and at least show that that they're that they're on their way back. And you and I have talked about this. The NFC's kind of been two divisions for awhile. It's been eagles in the cowboys. And then it's been you know the giants and the redskins bringing up the rear. and. I get asked well. How how do you judge progress for the giants in twenty twenty? How do you do that? And I don't know how you can say. Giants have a brutal schedule. I, think it's. By some measures, the the second hardest schedule on paper in the NFL in all of this current environment whatever that is, it is because you know I don't know how we can say in June. You know that that this team has the hardest schedule in the league because we don't know for sure what these teams are actually GonNa. Look like. With the pandemic and everything else who knows who's going to be available to play in any given week. But the question I keep getting asked is how do you judge progress? In. Y- There's a lot of ways to do that and to be honest with you. One of the things that I would like to see. I would actually like to see a victory over the cowboys or the Eagles at some point in the season. In a game that matters to one of those two teams right right just like a week. Seventeen right? YEA, prefer a game that matters just to say. Hey, you know we've been a doormat. You know we're not winning the division this year, but we're not a doormat anymore either. We're coming. I would, and and for me, that's. Those those are measuring stick games. I'd like to see the giants win a game that mattered against a good team. Well I think I speak for every cowboys fan. If the giants want to beat the Eagles both times you go right on ahead and you do that that that would that would be a good thing. So you know before before you let me go, R., J., the one thing I do have to say is. I still can't believe. The giants let Tom Landry getaway to coach cowboys for all those years. I still can't believe that you re. Do you realize that the giants a? It may not register for you, but the giants had Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry. The same status is same staff. and. And let them both get away. Now I mean, it's It's wild when you think about you know where things like that started like you could look at a lot of teams like that. You could look at bill chicks, Brown's like maybe not the same way, but certainly in an interesting way at least when Nick Sabin, and and all those assistance that would go on to be general managers and office figures and whatnot tough, but you know we've. We've returned the favor. Edham Jason Garrett's back. You know all is restored. And that! You know. It's funny because you would ask me about. Sort of guys that were cowboys who are now giants that that fan base kind of had to get used to ride. That's my final question and and. And I think to be honest with you. The one that comes to mind is Jason Garrett. because. People when when the giants fired, Patch Shurmur You know Jason Garrett had through his people, or whatever, before the cowboys said even fired him had made it known that the giants would be on his list if If. If the cowboys, which we all knew the cowboys. We're GONNA let him go No, I mean but the. The common reaction was. Not Jason Garrett not to scare. Anybody but Jason, Garrett. Please got anybody but Jason Garrett for sure so so so so now that he's the offensive coordinator. People have had to come to terms with. Well. I guess he was okay as an offensive coordinator. I guess it's okay that they hired him. As long as he's not. The head coach I guess that's all right. So it's like you've gotta come to terms with that one. I had stuff so that was I. I asked her that question. When I sent this to you was in like you said it was a cowboys player that had become a giant that you had kind of you know well. We've always liked this guy type thing and. After I sent it I thought you know there really hasn't been that much crossover like that much cross pollination. View Chris canty everything walls. Minna few, but but nobody who I would have said you know. Emmett Smith didn't come to the right. Now set didn't come to. The giants I- Craig. Morton got traded to the giants, but but do do we really. Do we really need to go there? That's what I'm saying like. There's there's not of a huge name like that in your. Chris Candy was tough. especially you know, or for cowboys, fans watching it and you know when a ring and everything but so for me. The Way I am choosing to answer that is more just giants players that I I think the cowboys fans could not stand when they were giants, and then moved on elsewhere, and they just became general nfl fans of and there are two that come to. To Mind, one is very recent in Oda Beckham June. When he got traded, there were a lot of cowboys. Fans that you know had long recognized his talent that have said finally. I get to root for him. You know what I mean the other, the other one is Jeremy shockey. I loved Jeremy Shockey and then you know once you left the giants. It was like okay I can be all in now. You know and it was. It was a bit liberating in that sense. It's it's funny Jeremy shockey is a guy. Giants fans loved Jeremy shockey. Until, they did. On until his last year, or maybe two with the giants, because you know what happened to Schalke, tremendous talent electric personality. Guy Could do things at at tight end. That were incredible at the time. But. But what happened with Jeremy Shockey? Was that his personality? Got In the way of Eli Manning's development. Because because he would complain that the ball wasn't coming to him enough, and and he was vocal about play calls. Critical of of of Tom Coughlin and and all of those things in in. Unfortunately, he wore out his welcome and I think people were glad to see him. Go on a kind of unfortunate, because at one time, he wasn't incredibly popular player. Sometimes that happens I honestly on the subject of tight ends, I thought the cowboy you hated. The most is going to be Jason Widen just because. I still hate Jason Witten I. Don't know where he is I. Don't know what what's his forty time now about about eight point five, but you know, but but I will I will guarantee you that he could still catch. A half dozen passes in the giants with me throwing. Well that feels like a good note to end on Ed Valentine manager and editor in chief biglou dot com nations home for New, York giants content the best home for New York giants content on the web. He is your house for Jason. Garrett's takes this season so so be gentle with Ed. Ed. Thank you so much for after spending some time. Time with US two years these days hope hope. We have some football. Talk about soon. Enough any any last thoughts. No, just you know same to you guys stay safe. I know that things are. Things are not good in Texas these days. You Know New York New York New Jersey areas. been there in. You know just hope everybody stays safe in. Some of your, some of your listeners might not want to hear it, but to wear masks people. Sure. Thanks thanks for the time out the best deal. Appreciate it. Take, CARE Want to give a big time out to Ed Valentine for taking the time to join us. He's a very busy man. He's got a lot going on, and he's always got some fun stuff to say always. Always really enjoy any chat with ed about life about football about the giants, the cowboys. And make sense that that he would hate Jason Witten Hey. You know I also thought about this in terms of giants that I personally made peace with when they left the giants organization I always liked him on toomer. toomer retired I mean he was just a fun player in Tiki. Barber like there was some good players in. Aaron Ross I mean there was some good players that just unfortunately ended up on the giants, and you hate that it's like anytime. You Talk to an eagles fan that root for Penn state because there's a lot of those. They're so upset that Sean Lee. Is a cowboy that saquon Barkley as a giant just kind of goes that way. That's just sports. Tomorrow we will get into the. Nation's capital Washington redskins. It's been a long time since that was a real robbery. In terms of you know the cowboys, but. We'll kind of. Flip through the history books and have some fun. If you have any thoughts, comments, questions, or concerns on our giants, discussion or just life in general. I fried rice was great by the way you know where to find me at our job on twitter and INSTAGRAM RJ DOT Ocho. It has been nation dot com if you are more of an email person. But yeah that Ah. For, our Hump Day show hope you enjoyed it and we also hope that you have the absolute best Wednesday of all time. Why because you deserve it? We were seeing. Friends as always go cowboys and peace out.
'Valentine's Views' podcast: Reactions to Sunday's loss to Arizona
"Compete with friends and best of all win cash silent is the game bout the game and it's super easy to play watching the chiefs answer realtime question this episode is brought to you by sideline the free sports prediction takes those boring low-stakes moments live sports and turns them into chances to show off your knowledge com of the game and that's disturbing because as I said they had a week and a half to prepare so what were they preparing for it bothered me Hello Jane stands view today's show comes to you one day after the New York giants suffered a disappointing in difficult loss to the after the game that they were surprised by what they saw from Arizona they weren't really ready for for some of the things that the cardinals did at the beginning it was a very very poor effort by the giants in in so many ways we can criticize the coaching of Pat Shurmur justifiably I think is a game where they had every advantage they had a week and a half to prepare they had Arizona coming across the country for one o'clock game which is historically when I think back on it Arizona had are very run heavy game plan yes there were some wrinkles in the way that they ran the ball there were some tap past clean Evan Ingram returning to the lineup they had everything in their favor they had every reason to believe that they would win this football need extra defensive backs they played a pass heavy pass expectant defense while Arizona was simply turning around and handing the ball to chase the giants should have could have an needed to win yes there are developing team yester- a rebuilding team but rezoned cardinals on Sunday at metlife stadium. I think about this game and I think you know I'm disappointed after the result of Sunday's game I think I have been in the year and a half that Pat Shurmur has been head coach of the New York giants this game was again game and you look up at you know basically the end of the first quarter in their behind seventeen to nothing was just as bad we look at the at the defensive performance a disturbing thing was the giants admitting game about the game download it now by searching silence sports in the apple APP store or visit when sideline dot com that's win sideline died only get the ball to ingram or you're only try to get the ball to him five times we've debated in in several other formats at big blue view the the decision in making it the end of the game I think that Pat Shurmur 's handling of the last four and a half minutes of the game was awful and his explanation for it think the the decision making at the end of the first half the decision making in the last four and a half minutes of the game the the lack of proper use with Arizona trying to run the ball they spent the entire game with two defensive tackles on the field instead of their normal three-man line they very difficult for NFL teams they you know they they had They were the favored team in this game they had sake one bar is that are considered passing plays there were some interesting wrinkles in the way that they ran the football and yet the giants spent the entire Game Alvin Ingraham some of the just some some of those kinds of things you have you have in Arizona team that that has struggled to cover the tight end and liberty to to protect the football when the pocket is collapsing those are things we've seen repeatedly from Jones things that have to get better pressure on Daniel Jones there were issues that Jones head as well things that that have to be bothersome indecisiveness in for him to continue to progress in NFL quarterback you cross your fingers and hope that that those kinds of things simply aren't things Edmunds in that was incredibly bothersome to me there were fundamental mistakes there were blocking assignment errors you there was there was all kinds of welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views five cast here on big view radio part of the s the nation family podcast. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue that we're going to see throughout Jones career you have to hope that they'll get better they'll improve with time and experience otherwise otherwise and you trying to break down and make sense of what happened to your New York giants on Sunday is development is not going to be you know what we all hope that it will be so you know all sorts of problems let's take a quick break at this point four word from our sponsors when we come back I will talk to Patricia train as we continue quarter tied now it is with sideline you get to predict what will happen next and make money doing Ceylon is the game about the game and you get the chance to make picks and real time during the game you've got the knowledge you've got the instincts you can see that Zeke Elliott hurdle coming from a mile away all you have to do okay tell the truth when you're watching live sports are you that guy who's always yelling called it well here's your chance to put your mouth where the money is it's called mm-hmm is disappointed after this game has been as I've been any giants performance for quite some time anyway let's do this giants fans in the apple APP store or visit win sideline dot com that's win sideline dot com. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says sideline and it's the free real time mobile sports APP that lets you get more out of life sports you think every moment can be as exciting as Pat Mahomes deep pass or you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP all steam they had every advantage going in and everything from the lack of fundamentals being executed to some of the play called Decision K. giants fans I'm joined now by Patricia Traina of the giants Maven and the host of the law was answer five questions right and then you just one yourself some cold hard cash sideline the game about the game download it now by searching sideline sports Sunday at metlife stadium a disappointing loss. Ed I mean giants had ten days to prepare for this card it's not all insider daily fantasy sports and it's not complicated like live property Ceylon is fun and super easy to play just join the game before kickoff owns and get this thing turned around but watching some of the decision making last night knowing that it's not the agree that Shurmur is gonNA finish out this year he's probably going to be back next year but if they don't start turning things around next year half hour ride home last night to to think about a lot of that and I wake up this morning and I have been a uh-huh I mean I I walked out at the stadium last night and I was shaking my head and I I said look I gotta sleep on this because if I sit down and write it in middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now between a rock and a hard place here they needed to get a new quarterback in which they did in Daniel Jones and you know despite his struggles the young man anything I'm going to regret it in the morning and even after sleeping on it I just still camp believe what I saw or agree with you patty I had a two and first time we've kind of scratched our heads at at at what pat was thinking I wake up today thinking for the first time really wondering if the giant couple of games hinted that he could be or does his development sort of stall which is kind of what we've seen going to be the giants head coach throughout the rest of this year throughout the throughout next season as well as the giants try to develop Daniels I think has a very bright future now with that said they have now tied themselves to Pat Shurmur because Shurmur came in as having a reputation the giants podcast on the lockdown network patty lots to lots to get to after What I can only describe as a debacle reporter of Pat Shurmur for a year and a half I have I look at it and I think there's some good work that's been done I think Shurmur of being a you know proficient in developing quarterbacks you know they saw what he did with case keenum out Minnesota and and you know that certainly appeal to them the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants Out Patty and I think that that what it all ties to what it all comes back to is Daniel Jones the develop but with that said now because you're just putting Jones the now to I think to change a head coach at this point especially when was going on with with the giants defense the biggest overriding issue for me at this point has to be Daniel the last couple of games does it stall over the issues of of sort of indecision and ball security amount of Daniel Jones does he develop into the franchise quarterback that his preseason and his first are then I could see them considering a change. I do think you're right I think that's how this is all going to going to play doing it. How is it that you know some of these other rookie quarterbacks are doing it and you have to wonder what are they doing these other places that the giants aren't doing that head coaches so tied in and so involve with your next franchises your next franchise quarterbacks development I think that would be detrimental so like you we're not seeing progress from Jones I agree and and it goes back to how is this young man being prepared every week now we hear how he we see is if you go back to Jones and you look at his scouting report one of the issues was indecision all too long the more we see him a little bit loose with the ball in the pocket and and you just you have to hope those things get better but it's have the right coach for the long term that's a tough one to answer at I mean you know what the giants I think kind of stuff and for me you know you get beyond the Coaching Dis- The coaching decisions in the handling of the last four and a half minutes and whatever just not seeing signs of it yeah I I mean are they giving him too much to do too soon I mean there's any number of we holding the ball too long you maybe when they got away from the the quick game kind of concepts and and I guess the concern right now is through five game to get these guys ready I don't know Patty I really don't I wish I did but I guess the problem that it's building up confidence over the long term is indeed a long term process and I I just don't know what the answer is you know I know the I don't know Patty but lots and lots of concerns in in for me you know another concern I think both offensively defensively we saw so many fundamental breakdowns on Sunday Michael Thomas referred to James we're seeing the same kind of thing the more we see him play the more we see him be a little bit indecisive the more we see him hold and let him build up that confidence and not just for one game but just maybe for a couple games now maybe that limits you a little bit offensively but you know confidence me again as much as as much as almost anything else because when you're looking for signs of progress those are signs of going backwards to me doesn't make the same mistake twice we hear how it's you know growing pains how it's a process and nobody's GonNa expect him to I guess to come in and be we saw in in pass protection we saw not only you donate solar and Mike remers struggle
'Valentine's Views' podcast: Nate Solder opts out of 2020 season
"Podcast listeners, we are amazing avenue, the espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris. McShane and every week, Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets. Automated. Avenue Audio. The show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on apple podcasts on stitcher. By wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Hello. Again New York giants fans, and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's US podcast here on Biglou radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue You on today's show I had planned an interview for you with offensive line analyst Brandon Thorn Brandon. I did that interview went through a lot of questions about the giants offensive line. Line and about an hour later, giants offensive tackle nate solder announced that he would be opting out of the twenty twenty NFL season a due to the covid nineteen pandemic and his concerns over his his family's health and the well-being of of his community. So are unfortunately, I went back, I listened to the interview with Brandon. We talked about nate's older so much in about. About. The idea that Andrew Thomas would play right tackle and be paired on that side with Kevin Zeitler. We talked about all of those things so much that that I really found that that I just couldn't salvage that interview will try again with Brandon at another point in time. But Unfortunately, what you get today is you get just me talking mostly about eight solar and. And covid nineteen pandemic listen you know when it comes to nate solar I had been saying for a while that any of the giants were going to opt out that nate soldier would be the most likely giant to do. So soldier is a guy who has had his own personal battle with testicular cancer. He has a five year old son who since infancy has been battling. A wilms tumor, which is a rare form of kidney cancer His son, Hudson, is still undergoing treatment for which he takes nate and his wife take Hudson into Boston every. So often for treats treatment for that cancer. So obviously, there are serious health concerns within his own household that that soldier had to consider with the with the pandemic continuing to rage, and he chose to to play it safe and to to opt out of playing in the twenty twenty NFL season, I want to quickly read to you just part of what soldier said in his announcement that he that he wouldn't play in twenty twenty. He said, our family has health concerns most notably our son's ongoing battle with cancer, as well as my own bout with cancer. We also welcomed to new addition to our family spring of baby boy with fear and trembling. Trembling, we struggled to keep our priorities in order and for us our children's health, and the health of our neighbors comes before football. We fully recognize that being able to make a decision like this is a privilege. Listen I. Give Nate Solar all the credit in the world for making this decision. I. Respect his decision I. Respect Nate's older as a man I've had the opportunity to talk to him on a few occasions he. He is not the most talkative guy. He is not the easiest interview because he really doesn't like to talk to the media. He comes from the bill belichick school where he gives you as little as possible when you talk to him unless, of course, you WanNa talk to him about some of the things that he does off the field to help underprivileged children and to to help people around the world who don't. Who Don't have things as as good as he does in as good as many of us do here in America but I give soldier all the credit in the world. As I said, I have a lot of respect for him. Listen in people who, I. Don't have respect for are those who took to twitter when the initial reports came out. Yesterday saying that that soldier was expected to report basically rooting for him to reconsider and. Saying that that they wished, he wouldn't play or or those who are actually happy about the fact that he's chosen not to play listen, this is his livelihood and he's chosen not to pursue it. There's nothing there to be happy about in that sense. What I'm happy about is the example that nate's older is setting the fact that he is putting his family, his neighborhood, the people around him health and safety I, instead of putting his own desires, his own needs and his own pocketbook, I? So I give him. Him All the credit in the world, and those of you who are happy about soldiers opt out or who were rooting for soldiers opt out the only thing. I can say shame on you guys, I, just I. I have no respect for for that kind of an opinion I'm sorry. You're you know the the constitution says that you can have it, but I have no respect for for anyone who who, who has that opinion. So you know the other part of the equation for the giants now is what happens. Happens on the field. All right. Shoulder had a huge cap hit, and it's it's my understanding as of as of right now that that his sixteen million dollar cap hit will come off the books, his contract tolls, which means it basically pauses until next season because he's a higher risk opt out, he gets a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar advance on next year's contract, but his contract which was scheduled to expire with the giants after the twenty twenty, one season now rolls through twenty, twenty two, so he'll carry. Carry. If the if he remains with the giants, He'll carry a nineteen point, five, million dollars, cap it next season, you know that's down, the road remains to be seen if the giants will keep soldier in twenty twenty one. But for now, the question is a, will they use any of that sixteen million dollars that they're clearing to to go out into the free agent market signed someone like to Davey and Clowney or Logan Ryan or a center like Justin Brit someone who can add some experience and some? Of course, we all know that that pass rush has been a need for the giants and even with the. The expected signing of Marcus Golden, who should be signing his his free agent tender any day now? Pass rush help is always always appreciated. So so perhaps, clowney is back on the table, that's not a move I would make necessarily but but who knows what Dave Gettleman Joe Judge will decide to do? The other option is to just hold onto that money, roll it over into twenty twenty, one in use that to to go into the twenty twenty, one off season with more flexibility to to make moves in free agency. Remember that the the salary cap because of covid nineteen, the salary cap is actually likely to go down in twenty twenty one. So perhaps, the smart play is to hold onto that money will have to wait and see what the giants. But, they did clear some money. The other question of course will be what happens with the lineup? Will the giants take Andrew Thomas First Round pick fourth overall, and move him to left tackle. That seems to be the thing that makes sense because the two players most likely to to end up as the the replacement in the lineup for Nate's older veteran, Cameron Fleming who the giants signed in the off as a swing tackle with seem better suited to the right side as would nick gates who played A. A little bit on the right side of the line. One game at guard. When game at tackle, last year played some left tackle in the preseason. But Gates is is really a right side player especially at the tackle position. So it would seem to make sense that that the giants would move Andrew Thomas to the left side. We do get an opportunity on Friday to hold a video conference with giants coach. Joe Judge will ask him about that. He probably won't tell us what the plan is but I. I would guess going forward. The Thomas would probably go to the left side and that either Fleming or gates would wind up as you're starting right tackle, I wouldn't anticipate Matt Pert, the third round draft pick being a guy that the giants would want to use as day one or week one starter. Most of the people that you talked to including per head coach at uconn Randy Edsall. Believe that per needs a year of development time before actually being ready to be equality NFL right tackle. So I. I would think that the giants would try not to have hurt in the lineup initially. So but we'll see where that goes. We'll see how it all unfolds an interesting interesting development for the giants, not really an incredibly surprising one. All right giants fans to be honest. That's really all I have for today, the the solar news being being fresh and being interesting, and and of course, leaving the giants with some decisions to make as always. Thank you for listening stay safe, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Hi, I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts each week day, we bring you a different podcast that covers the New York mets from a different perspective. Every Monday, you can hear me Steve along with Kenan Lucas on from complex mcleans where we discussed the mets minor league system, every Tuesday, an unforgettable join me rebel. They look back on the career of a less heralded minute. Hi, I'm Alison along with Maggie and Linda Pot of their own each week. We look at all things, mets and social justice issues in baseball. I'm Chris and you can catch Brian me chatting about the current state of the mets Amazing Avenue Audio, the show every Thursday on Fridays. We Have Amazing Avenue and conversation where I talk with interesting people about the New, York? Mets. So check out the amazing. Avenue. Family of PODCASTS. You can get us on apple podcasts, spotify Stitcher, or your podcast choice. And as always, let's go mets.
'Valentine's Views' podcast: Setting expectations for the 2020 Giants
"Podcast listeners we are amazing avenue, the espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane, and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets automated. Avenue Audio. The show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails, give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Hello giants, fans, and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views podcast here on big Louie radio part of your SP nation family of podcast. I'm your host Ed Valentine of big, Blue View, and today we are less than a week away from the New York giants. Twenty twenty NFL season on Monday night against the Pittsburgh steelers after all that we've been through this year with covid nineteen and in all of that, pretty amazing that we're actually here with football actually here on time ready to start the twenty twenty NFL season. Obviously there won't be fans in the stands at metlife on Monday night when the giants open. But still we have football, we have a season. We get to. We get to watch the New York giants play and we get to see how the twenty twenty NFL season unfold couple of things that we're GonNa do today on the show giants fans we're going to preview the twenty twenty season from giants perspective. And we are also going to talk to Rob Stats Carreira who is a producer for the niners nation podcast rob will be co hosting a show called the look ahead with yours truly that will debut on SB Nation Radio on Thursday. It's one of five episodes of the newly launched SB NATION NFL show. Rob will come onto to talk a little bit about that too to preview what we're GonNa do and and just to sort of introduce himself to to to the audience a little bit. I hope that you guys will will listen to that show. As well, as as the offerings that we have here on on big Louie radio are giants fans. Let's get into Talking about your twenty twenty giants what are the expectations for this team? Obviously, this is a new beginning new start with head coach Joe Judge. Obviously, you know giants went through Ben mcadoo in two, thousand, sixteen and Seventeen went through Pat Shurmur for two years. So obviously, they're starting over with their third head coach in the last five seasons obviously, not a place where any franchise wants to be where you're continuously changing the coaching staff continuously starting over but that's where the giants are, this is a new beginning for the New York giants, and so what should we expect from the giants in twenty twenty? We've seen through training camp all of the the hysterics about judge making guys run laps when they made mistakes in practice you know so much about how physical giants practices were for a while that the fact that he actually did some live tackling, which is something we don't see a whole lot of in NFL practices anymore. will all of that stuff work can judges philosophy which was homed obviously as he worked for both Nick Sabin and Bill Belichick cannot work. Can that help the giants turn things around after What's been a really rough stretch for the giants over the last few years after winning the two thousand eleven super bowl remains to be seen listen as far as expectations for twenty twenty I don't think anyone should expect giants to go. Win Eleven or twelve football games look at could be a very slow start. For the giants this season you look at their first five games, steelers bears forty niners, rams, cowboys that is a very difficult start against five teams that all have playoff expectations and the expectation of maybe going farther and doing more than just making the playoffs this season. Very. Difficult. Way. For Joe Judge and the giants to begin the twenty twenty season and to begin a new era of giants football when I think about about that schedule. I'm reminded of a couple of years ago. Remember that Pat Shurmur first year two, thousand, eighteen, the giants started one in seven finished the second half of the season four and four to win five games for the season. Remember last year the Miami Dolphins coached by first year coach Brian Flores another bill belichick disciple expected to tank expected to be terrible expected to probably not win. Any Games at all during the twenty nine, thousand season, the dolphins started Owen seven finished the season five and eleven. So they won they won five of their last nine games. Dolphins are now looked at as an up and coming franchise. One of the exciting young teams in the NFL and truth be told that is really where the giants would like to be a year from now. They would like to be looked at as an up and coming team a franchise on the rise. You know I'm also reminded I'm old enough to remember nineteen eighty one believe it or not when Joe Gibbs took over as head coach of the Washington redskins gibbs went win five in his first five games with Washington. The team then known as the redskins finished the season eight, an eight gibbs went onto win three super bowls over a twelve year run in Washington. Obviously had another run with with the team later on. But in that first twelve year run won three super bowls didn't start out well in those first five games and the reason that I mentioned all of those giants fans is let's not flip out if things don't start well, it's entirely possible that they don't start well but judge has reminded a few times during training camp recently that Really, it's not where you are. It's where you're going. He has he has said that a few times in relation to to players in relation to being able to project not what players are. But what he thinks that they will be by midseason by the end of the season in the future and really that's where we are with the New York giants. Were pointed toward the future what happens Monday night against the steelers is a huge huge focus right now of course but in the big picture in the grand scheme, Monday night is part of the ongoing development process that the giants are undergoing right now and it's where the giants go where they end up with Joe Judge. That is important. John Mara said the other day that that he feels like what he wants he feels like the giants are beginning to lay a foundation. That could eventually compete in first super bowl titles MEHRA. said that what he wants at the end of the season is to feel like the giants are moving forward to feel like that foundation is in place to feel like they're building something that can eventually get to the point where it will compete for Super Bowl titles. So that really is the prism I think that you have to judge this giant season through it's not the overall record. It's not do they make the playoffs or don't they make the playoffs. It's not any of those things it's. When you look at this season, are they better at the end than they were at the beginning? And does it feel like they are finally finally after so many years of of struggling and getting getting it wrong with the head coach and trying to Trying to to make something out of the last couple of years of Eli, Manning's career instead of fully embracing the future on are they finally pointed in the right direction pointed toward what Dave Gettleman said. The other day would be better days ahead and really that is I. Think what we have to look at what the giants are they when the season is over, does it feel like they are pointed in the right direction you want WanNa talk a little bit about the the roster don't want to Belabor. It too much I know that folks were upset about the The cuts of Linebacker Ryan Conley in wide receiver Corey Coleman I mean, these are guys that fans have seen over the last. couple. Of years you know Coleman, two years ago had a little bit of success especially. kickoffs. Connolly showed some promise last year on as a linebacker before getting hurt early in the season, listen the success or failure of the twenty twenty season. The successor failure long-term of the giants is not going to come down to Ryan Connolly Inquiry Corey Coleman. It never was going to come down to those two guys. These are the kinds of things that happen when you get a new coaching staff, you bring in new coordinators, you get changes in scheme you get changes in philosophy, you get changes in the type of athletes that that coaches want. It or that coaches need to implement the things that they want to do, and in the end, the judgments of of Joe Judge and his staff Ryan Conley and inquiry Coleman were not the type of players that they wandered on this team. Will this be you know we'll we'll they look back on on particularly the the cut of Ryan Conley and regret that maybe we'll see maybe not a remember You know a couple of years ago that the giants made the the decision to start John Jalapeno at center and they moved on from Brett Jones, which was a little bit of a surprise. Caught us in the media by surprise caught a lot of the fan base by surprise because. Two thousand and seventeen. I believe it was. Jones had played well as a fill in. For Western Rich Burke. What we've Seen No. Over the last few years you know John Jalapeno was not a great player. We know that much and I'm not defending HAL appeal at all. But what I'm saying is look at Brett Jones Career Brett. Jones, since moving on from the giants has never been able to become more than a backup more than a bit player I believe that right now Jones is is looking for work in the NFL so. You get attached to a player, but I always try to remind fans please remember that you know these coaching staffs that what they want. They see these players every day they studied the tape every day they're in meetings with these guys, they know their personalities. In a lot more goes into these decisions than the little bit of practice highlights that we see in the photos that we see. Then in ordinary circumstances the little bit that we see in preseason games, which obviously, we didn't see those this year. But. There's a lot more that goes into these decisions than what we see on the surface. So I'm I'm just not going to obsess about about connolly and Coleman, I'm going to trust at this point that the giants have a plan that they know what they WANNA do. They know the kind of players that they want and the players who they kept are more in line with the philosophies that they have. The only other thing that that I wanted to talk about before I get to the interview I did with Rob Guerrero. Is the idea of how you in the end. Judge, a successful season or a failed season for the giants and I've I've been asked that question several times and the way that that I. Look at it at this point is it twofold answer and part of that is what we discussed earlier is are the giants better at the end then they then they were at the beginning does it feel like they're building something that has a chance for success here and the other piece of that is. Something I've talked about several times the two biggest pieces of success for an NFL franchise are do they have the right head coach and do they have the right quarterback I think that a large part of the twenty twenty season revolves around getting information about Joe Judges, head coach and Daniel Jones at quarterback are those the right pieces are those two guys the coach and the right quarterback to lead the giants to success? For the foreseeable future. I think that this season we will know a whole lot more or we will learn a whole lot more about the answers to those two questions and it would be for me. It would be a successful season if we get to the end of the year and we look at those two guys and we think, okay, the coach in the quarterback are in place it's kind of failed season. If you look back at it and think you know we might not have the right head coach and Daniel Jones still. So many questions were still not sure. What Jones is going to be an, and if we're still wondering about those things that then we have a problem but I think really. That's how I look at it. Are they better at the end are they pointed in the right direction? Do they have the right coach? Do they have the right quarterback? Those are the things we want to know about the twenty twenty season. Alright giants fans. Let's take a quick break here for a word from our sponsors. When we come back, I will be talking with Rob Guerrero about the new espy nation NFL show that he and I will be doing on Thursdays called the look. Ahead. All right giants fans were back here on the Valentine's views podcasts little bit something special for you. Something a little bit different here. You. May Have seen if you listen to some of the podcast around the network, you may have seen the promos for the newly launched SB nation NFL show, which is really five. which have come to you Monday through Friday one of those shows is going to be co hosted by yours truly. Thursday show that we're calling the look ahead I'll be co hosting that show with rob. Stats. Carreira who joins us now to discuss the show to discuss all five shows and give you a little sneak peek of of what we're going to be talking about on Thursdays on the look ahead rob how you doing. Good. How are you? I'm good I'm good. So So Thursday's show the look ahead is exactly what it sounds like. It's a look ahead to to the best the NFL Games of the weekend. You know as chosen we hope as chosen by our listeners. Yeah it's really going to be kind of setting the table for your week in the NFL and obviously GonNa talk about the Thursday night game for sure that'll be a heavy emphasis on every show, and like you said, we want to reach out to you want to reach out to the community and talk about the Games you want to hear about. So that's our plan. That's what we WANNA do going forward basically to serve you and give you what you want before each week of the NFL. season. You know there's there's not much to talk about each week in the NFL. So I don't know how we're. GonNa. Fill the time I. Really I don't know what what what are we going to manage the manage like five or ten minutes talking to each other if if we're lucky yeah. Yeah I know but you know so it should be it should be really interesting especially as the season rolls along we get into We get you know farther and farther into season we get playoff races. We get interesting things to talk about. So I'm looking forward to this should be an awful lot of fun going to be incredible and it's it's part of the whole lineup that you mentioned and that's the thing that's exciting is as be nation now has of daily Nfl Show for you every day you're going to get something different. There's different hosts and you know we figured with US having the Thursday show that's really the first time where you start Topeka. Lineup sets you really looking ahead to Thursday and the Sunday beyond. So that's why we were lucky I. Feel like our show is we got the easy part here. The the food is all there for you. We serve it up. There you go. Hey I I like to get Fed Rob. I always liked to get fed. So I make everything about food for some reason. I. Don't know. Hey that works. You know it's funny because I I went to A. metlife stadium the other day the giants hosted one of their Intra Squad scrimmages. And I said to one of the one of the other reporters who is there I said you know I said, this is the first time I've ever been in this press box and not gotten fed. How is the food? There the food is not bad food isn't it's it's not bad. You know what you know what I never complain about free. There are that is one thing that I feel like. Reporters are known for is talking about the food at the Games in the press box. Well, you know it's funny because I go to practices once in a while in the. In the giants will feed US lunch. In the guys, the the media room will complain about what they fed us and I'm like guys did you pay for this stuff? I'll. Be Quiet, you didn't pay for this. But. Go ahead I was GONNA say I. In my old job would go to the NFL combine to the Super Bowl and at the super bowl, there's radio row and there's a million shows. There's a huge room. The one thing that's not there is food. So everybody's on their own for food and anytime every once in a while like a sponsor will come by Papa, John's and they'll bring pizza and and those poor people from Papa. John's they get absolutely swarmed and mauled by a room full of reporters and radio show host TV host who are starving because they're they're all saying there's no food I don't know how those people make it out alive. All, I don't know you. You gotTa feed people especially media you gotTa, you gotTa feed us you know but but anyway, Hey, I wanted to let's get back to the the NFL show. In case, you guys didn't know that is launching this week the the debut episode, the Monday show as already aired on and. Why don't rob, why don't you? If you have it in front of you wanted to give folks the lineup. So they know what's coming each day. In case they haven't heard the promos or seen the story. That that we have posted a big move you that it gives folks the lineup yes. So Monday is Monday football Monday and that's with J. O. Pete Sweeney and Michael Kissed, they're going to obviously breakdown all the gains on Sunday and maybe get into a little Monday night preview as well. Then Tuesday is myself and Brandon League out and we call it the day debrief We're GONNA touch on some of the storylines that maybe didn't get enough love coming out of Sunday and obviously react to the Monday night game. Then, Wednesday is the palpably unfair podcast with Kyle Posey from niners, nation and Michael. Kiss. From bleeding green nation, they're GONNA look at game film analysis and kind of break things down from a more technical perspective. Thursdays two guys I never heard of who probably won't be very good. Oh, wait. That's you and me. On a look ahead. And then on Friday it's Gina Kelly and David. Chiloe and it's called the Friday Chichi and it's basically going to be getting your fantasy football advice and maybe a little gambling preview as well. 'CAUSE WE WANNA make a little money to so we'll have you set up on Friday for the week that's coming. There you go. So five new shows for Your Your podcast listening pleasure rob by you and I haven't haven't done a show together yet. But I'm sure that this is this is GonNa be fun. This should go well. You know we should have every week we'll have. We'll definitely have plenty to talk about I. Know This Week. Obviously, we've got the the season opening, Thursday night game. We'd probably wind up talking some about Tom Brady you know I haven't I haven't looked at at at all of the Games yet but but. Like I said I'm sure we'll talk about Brady, and ensure there's going to be there. There are plenty of of quality game this weekend for for us to to chat about the big thing is hey, in this messed up year. We actually have NFL football. Starting when NFL football was supposed to start even though we don't have fans in the stands. It's so different because we didn't have that like elongated countdown with the preseason games where nobody plays week one, you guys play a little more in week to we didn't have any of that. So now it's even though we've been you know waiting and counting the minutes down football starts it feels so different all of a sudden it's like, Hey, there's games this week and I can't wait to break them all down. Me Neither I don't know about you but. I didn't miss covering preseason football. Did Not Miss Covering preseason games because you wind up. up. Covering Games. And you wind up writing a lot of stories about a lot of people who wind up not making the team. And I I didn't miss it at all I. wished the. The run up by wish these teams that had more practice time but I did not miss preseason football even a little bit. I think we're going to see some changes going forward, maybe an abbreviated preseason schedule or maybe they. They just do these joint practices more I think things are going to change next year coming out of this because all these teams have had to radically alter their preseason plans that they're not just going to go back to the way things were next year in the years to come. No, they're not things are going to change. I. Think Roger Goodell made a statement. You know something to that effect over the last couple of days. Might have been in in a piece by either Albert breer at SL or by Peter King in his football morning in America column that that he understands that they've learned things, things are going to change some and. You know from from the media perspective I don't WanNa. Lose the ability to talk to players and coaches face to face I hope that doesn't happen. But if they change the off season some if they changed the structure, if they limit some preseason games, they let teams practice together more often. I'm I'm good with that. and. That's one thing I. Hope we get into as our shows go along you have the perspective of. Covering the team like that. You know what that grind is like. I've been producing shows for years but I've never covered one specific team so I feel like. We have two different perspectives that I feel like are going to give people a lot that they may not have heard before. Means, we might be able to get into a couple of arguments every once in a while nothing wrong with that. No. Absolutely not bring it on. There you go. There you go. Well, before we get into an argument tonight rob I think I think that's that's a good place for us to stop. Just you know. Thank you very very much for spending a couple of minutes and look forward to to get started with you on Thursday. I can't wait as someone famously said. All right giants fans thank you very much for listening and we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bye. Hi. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Rinse, repeat as Giants lose again
"This is Sean Ramos Firm. I'm the host of Oxidative News. podcast today explained you know late September. We've done probably close to a dozen shows on this impeachment inquiry from the sort of early rumors of a whistleblower complaint too Nancy Pelosi launching the formal impeachment inquiry to the whistleblower. Complaint coming out the so-called transcript coming out to the Republican counter narrative to the White House stone. We've done it. All all felt like it was leading up to this moment of love. Televised impeachment hearings and the event of that event was the testimony of Gordon Sunland and we wanted to make sure we've made an episode that properly showcased and explained the significance the historic significance of that testimony. And we did it. We want you to hear it. It's available in our feeds right now. Today explained episode is titled Impeachment TV. Mr Sunland goes to Washington. And it's a must-listen I wouldn't say so if it weren't go check it out and enjoy. Thanks hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's podcast. This is Ed Valentine of big view and I'm coming to you the day after after the giants suffered their seventh straight loss. This one to the Chicago bears one. That dropped them to a miserable two and nine on season and here to tell me breakdown all things giants try to to figure out what is going on and win or how so it might get better is Patricia. Traina of locked on giants and giants may even Patty. How you doing today? And I'm exhausted Austin and not because I didn't sleep. Well I just feel like the season is been draining and I just feel like I'm writing the same things over and over again. I know. That's a bad admission to make but this team hasn't given you a whole lot to write about as far as you know what to look forward to L. Patty. It's sort of like you know if you have favorite television shows. It's sort of like constantly being stuck in rerun season. We've seen this and we see the same episode over and over and over and over. Yeah it has an end you look they keep saying that they see progress and you know maybe you see progress in player here and there but you need to see progress in units units because football is not a game of individuals. It is a team game and you might have one guy say for example on in the defensive backfield who's playing really well and and if the rest aren't what's the what. What good is it and this is what frustrates me as like? We're not seeing in progress and growth. If anything we're seeing certain units go backwards and that's concerning to me. Yes it is patty and you know when when we talk about all of that. We have to come back to Pat Shurmur in his coaching staff. And for me. I've said a number of times. I don't think the giants want to go through an upheaval. I don't think they want to fire Pat Shurmur. They want arisen to keep him. They'd like you know some stability. They don't want to have to to remove a coach for the third time in five years. Because you just don't WanNa be that cycle of consistently starting over consistently looking for a new coach because that's no way lead to build long-term success but as we go through game after game after game. Would you agree that that it is getting harder and harder to see Pat Shurmur as the long-term answer as the head coach of the giants I think so ed I mean look I think patch a good man and I like him as a person I just when I don't see growth when I see him making the same mistakes mistakes and being stubborn like he was in Cleveland. That concerns me. Because look if you're going to grow this team. This team is going to mature. The coaching staff has to do it as well. And it's interesting because I went back A couple of weeks ago to look up Shurmur introductory press conference and he was asked. What have you learned from your? You know Cleveland stint and he didn't really give much of an answer he just said he learned a few things you know that he wished he had known back. Then but you look at the product that's on the field and you just see some of the same mistakes the in game management decisions. You know the stubbornness you know just various things and say you say to yourself. Look you want this team to grow. But yet you seem so stuck in your ways that you're not growing with this team and that to MEES big concern. It is Patty and one of the things that we see is game after game. We see sort of head scratching decisions in the way that I consistently put it is. It may not be a decision that that is directly. Probably a reason four loss but the job of a head coach is to make it easier for his players to put them in the best position to win. And I thought the the the punt fiasco yesterday was was the biggest example yesterday of of Shurmur in his staff. Once again not doing that. I mean D- do you agree that that we're seeing way too much of that type of stuff where we're just feels like like they're not not being put in the right positions. Yeah I mean and this goes back to what I've been saying for for weeks and some people are slab in me for sounding like a broken record but I'm GonNa continue to say it when you have a coach head coach who is so wrapped up with one side of the game and isn't managing the big picture as well as he could be. That is a problem and we see week after week after week where we just is come away and say what the heck were they thinking and that pump fiasco. I mean not knowing that you could substitute and then trying to cover it up and say well. That's what what we intended to do up. Sorry I'm not buying that. No I didn't buy it either. Patty in and it just bothers me whenever whenever he whenever pat seems to get questioned about a decision like that he he'll kind of default to will that's what we intended tended to do in in. I'm sorry if that's what you intended to do then and this is not a question. It's a comment men. If that's what you intended to do then I wonder if you really know what you're doing to say. Yeah I I I just don't understand it at. I mean it's okay to admit you made a mistake. You know I guess maybe coaches are you know. Because they're paid so much they probably figure okay. The fans don't WanNa hear. I made a mistake but Tom Coughlin you know. They used to lose and get beaten badly the he used to always stand there and say this is on me. I do enough I made. I didn't make the right decisions. And I'm paraphrasing there. Coughlin offline owned up to it and Shurmur has started to do that but I just don't think it's done enough to sit there and say well that's what we intended did. Were worked out exactly like we thought it would now. You have to sit there and wonder you know what's going on with their strategy in their planning. It just doesn't doesn't make sense to me. No it doesn't Patty and you talked about. We've talked a couple of times about progress. Aggress from the coaching staff is in terms of of learning near players in terms of learning situations and how to manage games in how to do things and it sort of went under the radar yesterday but a couple of weeks ago Shurmur was questioned. Ginned about why he used all of his timeouts so early in the fourth quarter. I don't remember if it was the jets game. It may well have been the jets game where he had used all of his time outs pretty much before the four minute. Mark of the game and he stood in his press conference and he sort of realized seemed to realize or admit that that when he started to use the timeouts he realized he had done it too early but but that he was committed at that point he just had to continue to do it. And what did we see again yesterday. I think three forty eight to go in the game leading up to that punt situation and the giants had already used all of their timeouts. It's just head scratching two weeks ago. You admitted that using using all of your timeouts that early game or or seemed to admit that. That wasn't the right thing to do in the next time. You're in that situation. Can you do it again. And it's just it's flabbergasting to me so I I don't know what to say I don't know what to say either. I mean I it's like it's okay to admit you made a mistake now. I don't know if he may admits it to the players. Or what's going on but to me. The most the frustrating thing Ed is when the mistake is repeated. You know we talk about players and players make mistakes and then they learn from it and then you don't see the make the same mistake over and over again. We can't say the same thing about this coaching staff. I don't think and and that's just what's so frustrating. I mean I. I don't think that Shurmur is a bad football coach. I think you know he can be a good coach if he if he likes his load a little bit. And just maybe I. I don't know make some tweaks to a staff. What not but just the overall way he's gone about this? The stubbornness is what bothers me. The most and it's just just like do you know. Look they haven't been able to run exactly what you want all year long so I've always said the good coaches in the the NFL and then any level the ones that really earn their money are the ones that say okay. You know what. We can't quite run what I WANNA run. So we're going to have to adjust a little bit in in order to to optimize what we had. I don't know that they've done this. I would agree with you. Patty that that they haven't and you know we. We watched on Sunday. We watched rookie. cornerback Corey Ballantyne. Really really struggle. All right I think onto drives in the second half the the bears basically just looked at it like okay. WH- whoever he's covering we're throwing the ball there and and we're not just throwing the ball five yards. We're going to throw at twenty or thirty yards down the field and take the big chunks. Because we don't think he can cover Allen Robinson or or whoever he's he's lined up against and you know and there were a couple of balls yesterday. Were Daniel Jones through passes that should have been intercepted. He through right into the hands of bears defenders drop them. And you know what you live with mistakes like that from young guys who are learning and and in growing but what bothers you is an indicator of Corey Ballantyne for example. We watched two drives where he was. We simply singled out. And how long did it take for the giants to to to help him. They had surrendered ten points before they decided to do that. And I don't know who you blame for that. You blamed James Becher d you blame Pat Shurmur for not leaning into the headset and saying hey either get the kid. Get Out of the game or give him some help. But but I think those are the the mystifying things that that we talk about. It's you know when. Is it going to get better. And how is it going to get better patty. I don't have any answers. I wish I did ED. It's it's frustrating and it's disheartening and it's just lead to a lot a lot of football that you know that there's better talent but it's just not showing up and I I just don't know what the answers are fatty. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors here and we'll come back and I want to ask you Before we call it a show I want to ask you specifically about two. We're three players. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown shutdown full. Cast your avengers of college. Football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean it's already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything uncooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now. 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Let's let's talk a little bit about a couple of players in particular in the first. Just one I have to ask you about is long time giant long snapper Zach DRC. I watched that that ground ball snap that that he produced yesterday. That cost the I missed field goal and then I watched him. You know author another bad snapper. What I consider to be a bad snap on the next field goal and and I'm sorry sorry I started to wonder if Zach Diaz is going to play another football game for the New York giants at this point are you where do you? What do you think is going to happen happen with with Diaz in are you are you? Do you have any idea what's going on with him. I don't add you. You know I will say this. I like that. I think Zack has been a tremendous leader on that team. He's been at his best. He's he's in mazing player. He's always been like one of the first guys down the field and he's been reliable but I don't know ever since he had that hand injury I I just have seen the the quality of his his long snap start to deteriorate and we inside football had been writing now for several weeks that we were concerned about some of his snaps and we had a concern we expressed as we said that at some point his snaps are going to cost them on a kick nick. And that's not something you want to be. You Know Brag about being right but that has happened so I think kind of irks Smi a little bit and football business. This isn't anything personal against sack. Because again I like him. I respect the heck out of him. The giants had taper pepper peper during the summer. Who didn't he performed fairly well? I mean he was younger he theoretically could have been there snapper for the next. I don't know ten seasons Ziesel early and what happened. They tried to sneak them onto the practice squad but they lost. They lost into Miami. And now it's like okay. They have to try and find another long snapper because look Diaz he's not gonNA play forever. I'd be surprised if he's back after this year to be honest with you I think maybe he calls it a career ear and just you know when you go out of the game you you ideally want to go out on top and I don't know that you can say right now that the aussies is playing at the top of his game we've seen better from him and I'm sure he'll be the first person to say look. There's no excuses for that but you got to wonder if something's bothering his hander. Gender you know. Something's going on physically with him. Yeah I don't know Patty I really don't know you're probably right. You might have to wonder about about him physically physically but I think we do need to point out that the giants do have a long snapper on their practice squad. I believe his name is is Colin Halbie and how and he does have thirteen games of NFL experience. So I think two of those this year with with the San Francisco Forty Forty niners so just just putting that out there that if the giants wanted to make a roster move on you know that they do have someone someone in house that they could go to true they could. I don't know much about the Stanford they added to the to the roster haven't seen him play but but the point being is you know at some point. They're going to have to make a decision here and I. I don't know man do they. Do they just move on from him. You know they're are going to move on from. Eli I think at the end of the year. Those are the last two guys remaining from from the early the glory years if you will so it's it's just unfortunate because you don't WanNa see that like you said he wanted to see guys. Go out on top specially in their own performance. And that just hasn't been the case here. I don't think thank no. It has an. It's unfortunate patty but as an extension of talking about Zach DRC. I think we have to talk about all roses. This is now five straight games. I think with a missed kick and you can kind of forgive. The I missed field goal. I still still think the timing was kind of messed up on the second field goal. I don't think the snap was very good. Anat when either. But you could tell from the look on his face when they showed him on the sideline headline and then you get the Shank kick off to start the second half. This is a talented young men but at some point you really have to begin to worry about him. I think because we see it over and over where a lot of times when it goes bad for kickers. It doesn't always come back the other way so despite his talent despite his youth. How worried are you at this? Point about Aldridge grosses. I'm concerned about him. He's he's a like you said he's talented young man but having spoken with him a lot of times I also detect that there's there's a a level of sensitivity in there and he'll sit there and he'll tell you look I have. My confidence has been wounded but I think back due to his first year with the giants and then when Thomas McGee came in mcgahey spoke about how. They've really coached them up. They really built his confidence. They did it a lot of work with him from the mental aspect of it and it paid off for him last year because he was a pro. Now this year you know. He's had had the misfortunes and some of it. You know you can point to the long snapper the hold or or whatever whatever you WANNA point two. Can they bring him back. And that's that's really you know so far we haven't really seen it you know. The body language has spoken volumes. And I think speaks louder louder than Rosa's has been saying and you hope that they can fix it because he does have a strong leg he can make the kicks. It's just right now like you said if the confidence level is shot you might as well just pack it up and move on all right. Patty one more player to ask you about in Dan. You know before we call it a show here. Sunday was a really really quiet performance for Leonard Williams. I think maybe one Pressure maybe maybe one assisted tackle the giants gave up a third round and a conditional additional fifth round. Pick to get him and right. Now it's very difficult to look at it in and say that that they may not end up with egg on their face here because he I don't see him yet as justifying the idea of giving him a long term contract trek. Do you not yet. No I really don't know to be fair. I mean I haven't sat down and isolated. Read film study on him to see if maybe he's you know affecting the play around him casino. Sometimes with those defense alignment. You can't just based on their status. Let's you have to look at. How are they impacting? The play around them so I I don't know what to make them just yet from what I've seen based on and the numbers alone I would have a problem saying okay. He's worthy of big contract. What bothers me about that deal right now? Is that the giants CI- Third Round Pick that they're going to have to send the jets is actually going to be like a a low. Second Rounder. Okay and then also if you consider the fact that they're Bj Hill has been losing snaps. Ever since Williams came along. That was a third round. Pick to buy the giants. And now you're you're potentially looking at you know assuming you signed him or even if you don't sign them you're potentially looking at a Kevin Given took third round picks. BJ Hill and you know the pick. You got us into the jets chat. So I just. I don't know that I understand that move. I I kinda see where they were going with it. But I don't know that it makes sense to be honest with you. Only make sense if Williams becomes impact player. Patty if he doesn't you know the way I look at it if he doesn't become an impact player if they wind up paying. Oh for a player who doesn't justify the contract that they give him or if they just look at it and say he's not good enough to for us to pay money to and they let him walk either way. That's a bad look. Yeah agree so grey and go ahead. We'll see I was I was GONNA say Yeah it is a bad look in you know. I hope that Dave gettleman you know making the decision made the right decision but you know I think the jury is still out on it. Oh Patty the jury is out on a lot of things for the giants going forward. The jury is not out on the fact that That this is yet another lost season and that the longer this goes on the more it begins to resemble that leak that late sixties nineteen seventies time period of of Bad New York giants football. You know Lord knows we all hope that the giants dig themselves out of it before it goes on that long but who knows what the answer is at this point Patty I. Ah I think though I think we've kind of covered everything we can cover here. We've we've We've said pretty much everything we can say in and we will will. You and I will reconvene next week after the Thanksgiving holiday and will probably rerun this again. I hope not. I really really would like to talk about something different. You know I it would be nice to talk about a win or not a win at least a more competitive and cleanly played football game. That would sure it'd be nice. Is that asking too much. Probably man alright giants fans with that said Thank you very much for listening and we'll talk to you again soon. Bye Bye now.
'Valentine's Views' podcast: Logan Ryan is a Giant
"Support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. Now there are more ways to be a team with Microsoft teams bring everyone together in a new virtual room collaborate live building ideas on the same page and see more of your team onscreen at once learn more at Microsoft Dot com slash teams. Hello again New York giants fans, and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts I'm your host Ed Valentine lots to talk about on today's show as we have reached the the first day of September less than two weeks away from the giants season Monday night game against the Pittsburgh steelers on September fourteenth. Big Day big news on Monday for the giants as the long debated long discussed long desired signing of defensive. Back. Logan Ryan finally took place with Ryan announcing that on his own twitter feed that that he would becoming to the giants, a local New Jersey native back with with the home team the designing of Logan Ryan is something that I've been advocating for since way back. At the beginning or even before beginning of free agency, his versatility, his experiences connection to Joe. Judge always seemed to make sense always seem to make the giants a logical destination four Ryan. The Price Tag. Back in the spring throughout the summer was too high, but with change in agents. By Ryan that the price tag came down to deal got done Ryan is now in place with the giants assigning that the giants badly needed after losing Xavier mckinney to Injury Sam Bill to Covid Nineteen, opt out and De'andre Baker to his legal troubles. Ryan will bring a lot of experience familiarity with judge. Familiarity with the way that the giants intent to play defense brings versatility to the defense could be used in the slide could be used as a boundary corner. If the giants decided that they don't want to Corey Ballantyne on the field on a regular basis could be used as a as a safety in three safety packages along with Gebreel peppers and Julian. Love you know. He's not a great player never been a pro bowl or never been an all pro but he brings a lot of experience brings a lot of of leadership capability really really good signing for the New York giants not going to turn them into a super bowl contender, but is going to to give them a chance to have a much more representative secondary a give. Some of the young players. Some advice some help help them to develop was a one year deal worth at the Max I believe seven point, five million dollars probably not going to to amount to quite that much as as I believe at least two point five million of that is is incentive based, but really really good deal for the giants longtime coming in Glad to see that Logan Ryan is, is now a member of your New York. It's another thing that happened on Monday was that news broke. That among other players, the giants would be working out former starting center John Jala Peo- on Tuesday and that news was was not greeted well by by many of the fans at at big blue view and endless in. You know my my advice. There is guys just just relax a little bit listen on Jalapeno suffered that week seventeen Achilles tendon injury. We know that the giants have monitored his progress Dave gettleman said that a number of times hell appeals currently sort of making the rounds. Doing workouts had one the other day with the Houston Texans he's at this point trying to show teams that he's healthy enough to play healthy enough to be an option. Teams need someone listen. It's pretty It's pretty apparent. I think that the giants have found their starting center so. The giants aren't looking at Jalapeno and thinking Oh we have to have a starting center. We better go get Jalapeno 'cause. He's better than anything that we have. They're doing their due diligence, which is what NFL teams are supposed to do. They're looking at available players seeing who's out there seeing how healthy they are seeing, how ready they are to to help NFL teams. There happens to be a need you know maybe maybe you for the last two years, the giants have judged although I know what was a different coaching staff but the last two years the giants judged John Hal Peo- to be a better player than Spencer pulley. What the giants might be thinking here is that if Spencer pulley is not going to start for them, perhaps John Jala Peo- might be a better and cheaper option at as a backup at center Then pulley who who they could. They could save a decent amount of of cap space on if they were to cut him but if they were to do that on the roster right now, they would only have undrafted free agent Tyler Hey craft as a potential backup, and he's a kid who's never played center before so he's transitioning to that. would be a good idea to have a veteran backup on the roster, and perhaps that's why they're looking at Jalapeno to see if he's an option as a as a backup center who could who could perhaps save them a little bit of of salary cap space. So just don't flip out about that guys. We know that Jalapenos play wasn't great the past couple of years, but but his experience. would be a good thing to have You know in in an emergency situation should the giants decide that they want to move on from Spencer Pulley? So you know just trust that what the giants are trying to do is is is check all of their options and make sure that they look at at available players to to see if if they can create the best possible roster a when. They have to to make cut down later this week. No the thing I wanted to talk about quickly is the upcoming Thursday scrimmage. Last Friday scrimmage was really the big one for the giants that was pretty much the high point of training camp. This swan coming up on Thursday at metlife stadium will really be the final day of training camp will really probably resemble. My guess would be that it will resemble. A lot more of what you traditionally see in the fourth and final preseason game where guys who who are fighting for roster spots guys who are are trying to make the team get one final chance to to impress. I would think that starters are going to play maybe a little bit not going to see a lot of live tackling. You're going to see some situations you're going to see guys given opportunities one. Last chance to to make an impression before the giants have to trim the roster on Saturday also just wanted to mention something that I wrote at Big Blue View this week roster cuts coming on Saturday as the giants trim to fifty three I'm expecting some surprises there who knows exactly what the roster's going to look like I will try to make a prediction on that on Friday following the final pre. Not, pre season following the final scrimmage excuse me. But with a new head coach with so many young players with so much competition for the final spots. At at positions across the roster I think that this roster could be very very unpredictable and obviously with waiver wire and all of that it's going to change anyway you know somewhat even after Saturday when it is initially set. So interesting interesting time and we'll see how it all plays out but. Really looking forward to to the scrimmage on Thursday into seeing how the giants set their initial fifty three man roster on Saturday. Really not a whole lot more to to get to today giants fans just to please you know a reminder to. To big, blue, view on all of your favorite podcast applications something that I generally failed to do is to remind you guys if you have questions for the podcast questions for the Big Blue View mailbag that we run every Saturday on the website. Email those two big blue view at g mail, DOT COM and I will get to the best of those or. If they're intended for. Chris Flung in daily own of the Chris Joe. Show I'll pass those along as well. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: First padded practice
"Podcast listeners, we are amazing avenue, the espy nation, New, York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue Audio. The show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails, give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Hello giants fans will welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's news podcast here Biglou radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View, and this is your Tuesday August eighteenth edition of the podcast coming to you one day after the giants held their first, fully padded practice of two thousand twenty. Yours truly was able to be in attendance on Monday. So well, let's talk about a few things that that we saw on Monday I lots to lots of talk about Joe Judge. Making players run laps after making mistakes on four different occasions on Monday? We saw players. Run laps after after making mistakes including once when a full position group or a full group of offensive players had to run had to run out after messing up a play some folks I know hall of Famers Shannon Sharpe has a problem with this. I think former New England Patriot tight end. Benjamin. Watson. tweeted that he agreed with. with, Sharp listen I have no problem with it at all. Obviously this type of of environment where you're making players run laps after making mistakes with professional athletes it's not something that's going to be able to be a long term thing. It's not something you're going to be able to get away with for years and years, but the New York giants are a team that have. Won. Twelve Games over the last three years they've gone twelve, thirty, six JOE judge was hired for a reason he was hired because what's gone on with the giants for the better part of the last eight years is just not acceptable. This is his way of of driving home. The point that these players need to be better that there are certain expectations that they have to meet. that. There are certain standards that have to be met if they're going to win football games and I just don't have a problem with that I know people will say it's a check approach. Judge doesn't have the pedigree of a Belichick to to get away with this to pull it off to be able to to do this without losing some of his players and my response to that is look again, twelve and thirty six over three years. A team that is not established a team with players who shouldn't be content a team with players who should be glad that their head coach and their coaching. Staff are not content with watching mistakes that wants to push them to a higher standard that wants to make them better. So I no problem with it. Obviously, as I said, it's not a an approach that's going to be a long term thing. You can't do this with with guys who have been around the legal longtime with guys who have been established with guys who have won before I. in that case, it's just not going to fly right now though I have no problem at all with Judge in his coaching staff being hard on these players, the giants as I said have been bad and. Something has to change will this work who knows but but something has to change and for now I have zero problem with with judge you know doing this making players run laps I know professional athletes don't like it but tough as sterling shepherd said, you want to avoid running laps just don't make mistakes are a couple of couple of impressions from practice. Now, let me be honest. The viewpoint we had wasn't great a lot of the the first team work that was done was on the far end of the field far away from reporters with with a lot of players in the way. But just a couple of notes the during one on one drills, which is cornerback wide receiver drills, the the wide receivers for the giants far, and away got the better of that. There was a lot of yelling at the cornerbacks a lot of screaming about improper technique, a lot of screaming about guys grabbing and holding and not playing near technique properly listen we know cornerback is is an issue for the giants going into the two thousand and twenty season and There's going to be growing pains who looks like Darna homes whether it's in the slaughter outside Darnay homes seems like a guy who's going to play a big role for the giants. But you know that was one takeaway that I had on Monday was that it was kind of a rough day at least in the in the one on one work. Kind of a rough time for cornerbacks who who have a lot of work to do for the giants and and you know maybe it will come to a situation eventually where when we get closer to the regular season, the giants will need to to look to supplement that that position with with guys who let by other teams or with with players like. Ryan who are currently still free agents on the market and available right now, interesting news yesterday that the giants moved on from placekicker Chandler Caton Zarro and are intending to sign former Carolina Panthers Graham Gano I look at that as an upgrade from zero If Gano who missed last year with it with the left knee injury is healthy. He's been a good NFL kicker for a long time. Believe he's got ten years of experience in the League have played for the panthers for a while while Dave gettleman was GM there. So gettleman knows a lot about. Not. Surprised at all by. Via the giants move to get know perhaps they had originally signed and Zara because he was available because they didn't know if they were going to be able to get no or another veteran kicker, and they wanted to have a kicker in camp once they got rolling so So they signed CATTON's Ro but I look at this as long as Gano is healthy. I look at this as an upgrade for the giants from Zarro to to Gano couple of of players who impressed yesterday. Backup quarterback Colt McCoy through a lot of nice passes on on Monday couple of lows too wide receiver CJ board player that the giants claimed on waivers a few days ago from from the Jacksonville Jaguars. Board probably made the best to catches of the day that I saw one in the left hand corner of the end zone leaping over a cornerback another one on a really well thrown back shoulder fade by McCoy where he made a sprawling catch right at the pipeline. At the pylon for a would be touchdown so good days for those couple of guys. Asked big move you about offensive line play listen really hard to judge offensive line play off of one practice especially when guys were on the other end of the field and and we simply didn't have a real good look at them. there. There's been questions about about Nick Gates and Shane Lemieux what position guys are playing and listen. There are some rules that the NFL has put in place about what we can tweet what we can talk about what we can report. What I can tell you is that Gates Lemieux, Tyler Hey craft all of these guys were seen in multiple positions. On Monday as Gioja had joe judge had promised guys would get work in multiple spots. They'd be cross trained and we saw a lot of that. Of course you know gates is a guy who might be the starting center might be the starting right tackle lemieux fifth round pick guard, and center. Hey craft is an undrafted free agent who was a collegiate tackle. Was Thought to be a guy who who could move inside a and that's what we saw on Monday there were times when. Guys would line up together and on one play a guy would be at center. In the next play he would flip flop and play guard. You know with the guy with the guy next to him taking the center spot. So indeed judge is cross training moving guys back and forth we saw guys in the secondary. Inside and outside. So that's a work in progress. You won't be able to. We won't be giving you full lineups and who the starters are and how everything's aligned at least not as of right now those that really is not. Not Allowed under the current NFL rules for folks who were who are covering NFL training camp practices. All right. What I want to do now, giants fans, we're going to take a short break for a word from our sponsors. Then we're going to play some audio from from Monday's press conference. You'll hear from Joe Judge you'll hear from Saquon Barkley and you'll hear from Sterling Shah support for this podcast comes from state farm here with good news and even better news. The good news state farm has new lower car insurance rates. The even better news that means you can now get the service and convenience of a local state farm agent at surprisingly great rates state farm can. Help you save more cash and get the good neighbor service. You deserve just talked to you local state farm agent or visit State Farm Dot com to find out how much you can save on your car insurance when you want the real deal like a good neighbor state farm is there all right giants fans? We're back on Valentine's views podcast Ed Valentine here, and we're talking giants as promised. I have some audio for you from the from Monday's press availability. First Up, you'll hear giants coach Joe Judge talking about players running those lap owes consequences on feel for make mistakes in a game of caution, five ten or fifteen yards you our practices be consequences to learn the mistakes. Next up. You'll hear Joe Judge talking about the efficiency of practice, the pace of practice and what the giants are hoping to get out of out of each practice. It's always a work in progress Tom I think the energy enthusiasm for players coaches. You know that's been really. Really. Good. We've got to make sure that we limited time to practice with gives much Thomas limits ninety minutes on the field way to expand the time is by running make sure it's working all times. You know coach done a good job organizing orient talking or flares were going through the practice arts. Our players understand those herbs more doing trying to make sure everybody maximized time of field maximize the reps chance evaluate every body of them to improve their individual techniques next up giants wide receiver. Sterling. Shepherd who was asked about. Whether or not the giants who don't really have a true number one right wide receiver have enough at the at the wide receiver position Shepherd. Interestingly also reminded people not to forget about tight end Evan. Ingram I think we're okay with making plays I think that's the only thing. That's important. When it all boils down this key trust the guy to make a play. And I think that we have three guys that are able to do that and then another guy he forgot to mention is Evan Ingram he he's basically a wire seen I think we have a lot of guys that can make plays on. We're focused on putting a number on and next. About. Running those laps and win the last time my he was on a team. Where he actually saw players that have to do that. No, I. Mean I think it's going to take everybody to buy in if you WANNA be the team that we that we want to be I. Think we gotTa Buy into coach Judge has in store for us in the you know if if that's what he hasn't stores running laps of mistakes just don't make mistakes as Get your net but Yeah. The last time I did it probably. A I'm embracing the change. Awful. Next up is giants star running back. Saquon Barkley on the idea that that he is a coach player and that is one of the things that new head coach. Joe. Judge has noticed about him admires about him. Back. But. That's just come every day is a lot of question trying to prove. You can prove as the coach. I you know. I was blessed with a tremendous town, but the way you. Has By folks, thanks folks on details in out listen to coaches and you know I think we we grew culture here on coast judge alway down supervision coaches in all those guys in. I'm willing I'm learning I WANNA be greeting I. Want try to be good for the season. As, I, know that star suite. Coaching in. Our final clip of the day is Barkley talking about how detail oriented Joe Judge and his coaching staff are. Definitely. I. Always say I always thought I was a detailed guide but now they've got to be more the way up the way that we're getting coach was, which is Great. I looked at the you know you guys. You really want to think about it. You know. So I used to be at a point where I'm reading last imagery via the centers in To set the blacks but I start just with. The Fuller. Your own play how you can determine how you sell the blocks man of the ball carrying. We're GONNA live from the left hand on your right or with crossover switch it out. There will not catch a ball album folks owner, Chechen So when you go out there and football fulfilled although slow dates come natural. So they matches only goes judge coast Birnbaum culture of coaches from offense defense, on all things You know not to continue to grow in that area to especially the young team but great folks. Giants fans that's our show for today. Thank you as always for listening. Please remember to check out the other shows here on big blue radio. That's the Chris Joe show featuring Chris flom and Joe Daley own and also the two new shows being done by big blue view contributor Nick Faldo. That's Football on Monday and philosophy fantasy corner on Friday, which should be a great treat for you fantasy football aficionados. All right. Thank you as always for listening and we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bye. Hi. I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts each week day we bring you a different podcast. The covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday you could hear me Steve along with Kenan Lucas on from complex soclean's will we discussed the mets minor league system. Tuesday on fermentable join me rubble. They back on the career of less heralded minute. Hi, I'm Alison and along with Maggie and Linda I host a pot of their own each week we look at all things, mets and social justice issues in baseball I'm Chris, you can catch Brian me chatting about the current state of the mets on Amazing Avenue Audio, the show every Thursday on Fridays. We Have Amazing Avenue Conversation where I talk with interesting people about the New York mets. So check out the Amazing Avenue family of podcasts you can get on apple podcasts, spotify Stitcher, or your podcast of choice. And as always, let's go mets.
'Valentine's Views' podcast: Mark Schofield talks Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray
"Hours on the ground with all thirty two teams plus national writers you know and love like Jay Glazer Mike Sando and Michael Lombardi the athletic is telling stories you won't find in today's episode is brought to you by the Atlantic the athletic is a subscription based sports news site delivering in-depth sports coverage for diehard fans featuring NFL cowboys started three in Oh and of lost three straight games are now three and three Philadelphia Eagles are also three and three both of those two teams go to the athletic dot com slash SB nation that's the athletic dot com slash SB nation looks like the giants could have a pretty much full array of of offensive weapons this week obviously minus to a new edition of the Valentine's podcast here on big view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Sunday's matchup couple of topics that I wanted to to hit on before we before we get to my conversation with mark the first of which is that it looks like the giants could be healthier this week looks like there's a possibility at this point face off on Sunday so if the giants can win a game they would only be they would remain just one game out of first place in the division really and we will talk to quarterback Guru Mark Scofield about the match up between giants Rookie Daniel Jones the sixth overall pick in the draft view. Today's show we're going to talk about several topics as the giants get ready to face the Arizona cardinals on Sunday a little bit later his best playmaking weapons back on the field this week as the giants get ready for a game against the Arizona cardinals who are the giants fans and welcome as he has gone through four games now as the giants quarterback so we'll see what mark thinks about the play of Jones so far and how excited he is to see is were at practice on Monday obviously you know media wasn't wasn't there for the entire practice we don't know how much they did but nine of this game is Jones Verses Murray really really interesting and we'll get marks perspective on that as well as on the progress of Daniel Jones Giller time of the season is that believe it or not the the giants are only one game behind in the NFC east the dollar Sterling Shepard who has a concussion and of course backup running back wing Goldman who also has a concussion we'll have to see we'll monitor that situation and cardinals rookie quarterback Kyle Murray the first overall pick it's obviously the first NFL meeting between those two obviously really the headline a young team one that is probably not at the level quite yet of the eagles and the cowboys when both of those teams are playing as well as that both saquon Barkley and Evan Ingram could be in the lineup really really good news for the giants if both of those players are able to play both nations as the week goes along but that's good news for the giants good news for Daniel Jones that that he could en- should have his his the three in one heading into Sunday giants of course are two and four and one of the really really interesting things about this about this game about this interesting and let me be honest I do not think that the giants are going to end up winning the NFC East I think that they're developing teams if they're capable of playing but what I do believe is that the more competitive games the more meaningful games the more games with playoff implications that the young giants core a which we wrote about a little bit earlier in the week at big blue view more important games that they can play the better off that is for their development the better that is for the future of the New York giants so despite back to back losses they can still dream a little bit you can still consider the possibilities and as I said any game we'll see what happens on Sunday we'll see how it turns out but interesting that the giants at this point despite being too informed at the giants play that has some sort of implications for the future implications toward the playoffs anything they can do at this point that that has importance attached to it is good for their future all right another thing that I wanted to talk about was the giants signing of veteran running back Joe Voracious Buck Allen formerly of the Baltimore Ravens Guy that was signed by the New Orleans Saints Ask and was released in August I believe with an injury settlement common opinion you know among most at this point is that doing most of the ball carrying we've seen a couple of costly fumbles by Hilaman including one on Thursday night against the Patriots that cost the giants touchdown the giants waited too long to make this move obviously not having Wayne Gelman the last couple of weeks hurt the giants quite a bit obviously you know saquon Barkley went down the giants dependent on wing Allman Gelman suffered a concussion in his second game starting behind coming Barkley in the giants have basically gone the last two weeks with John Hillerman rookie undrafted free agent and fullback Elijah Penny knee is injured against Tampa Bay that the giants held a workout with several veteran running backs Allen was not part of that workout the giants had that time chose not to sign any of the any of the backs that they worked out in on the face of it to me that was a mistake on the giants practice squad having cleared waivers I don't know what the situation is with with L and I know that after saquon Barkley ability that Allen is the guy that they targeted in the that he simply may not have been ready to work out ready to play at that point in time because then they had no experience backup behind Wayne Goldman but that that was the choice that they made I wonder if perhaps they were waiting for and and probably was a big part of the giants decision to finally sign a veteran back into to cut him Hilaman in case you didn't know his back and but I don't know I I do think while it may not have cost them victories the last couple of weeks not signing I don't know if I get a chance to to speak with Alan later this week at the giants facility when I get there I'm going to try to get there on securely Hillerman and undrafted free out of Boston College and Rutgers who really to be honest with a mediocre college running back not a star exclusive player profiles deep analytics team power rankings and fantasy sports insights you won't find anywhere else each subscriber gets a personalized I can do a lot of things run a little bit can catch some passes as a tough guy who's willing to run inside can play some special teams should L. and if they're waiting for an opportunity to work him out I don't know that for a fact but having had an injury settlement with the saints you wonder if there's a possible Thursday if I get a chance to speak with Alan I might ask him about that but you wonder if that was perhaps part of the reason that they were waiting for Buchan feet of stories live writer Qna's podcasts and more just download the athletic APP pick your favorite teams and the athletic will begin surfacing all the latest on the the veteran back who could have helped them you know leaving so much responsibility on the plate of John Hillman analyze a penny per a subscription based sports news site for real fans through in-depth coverage from local riders every team plus national writers. You already know like Jay Glazer Mike Sando sponsors when we come back we'll hear from Mark Scofield about Daniel Jones and Kyle Murray today's show is sponsored by the athletic. Alan is a player described by our Baltimore Ravens Website which is Baltimore beak down as jack-of-all-trades player we'll cross our fingers and hope that Barkley does play this week but Alan should help them going forward you know we'll see how much and it'll be kind of interesting to see athletic dot com slash SB nation contour from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote the a help to the giants should be a guy who who they can get a little bit of of mileage out of as a backup to Barclay in players in storylines that matter to you ready to get started for forty percent off a yearly subscription to the athletic goal to the dot com slash SB nation. That's the you know for programs that weren't powerhouse programs turned out to be in my view a mistake but it's one the giants have moved on from now whether it is Allen or gall men who emerges as the real number two running back you know it's Goldman comes back from his concussion so that'll be something to keep an eye on in the meantime let's take a quick break forward you can use your voice to fund them on live TV on demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more seat Cox dot com for details or a giants fans. I'm joined now by quarterback Guru Mark Scofield to talk about this Sunday's giants cardinals matchup with two inches report you'll have a piece for us later this week on on Kyle Murray but let's do this let me ask you first fun podcast and I think he's going to be fun game between these two teams coming up this week well that's that's kind of exactly where I wanted to start I mean you have the first overall pick in the let's do this mark you've written about Daniel Jones for us a number of times you have another post up this week on basically Jones progress how many what questions has cuyler Murray answered for you thus far I mean I think he's sort of raft you have the sixth overall pick in the draft two guys that they're franchises are banking on being their futures. Aim It this way a lot of the questions around Kawamori like you said they had to do with the size the frame and sort of his ability to run but we expect to sort of be interesting rookie quarterback's Daniel Jones and Kyle Murray Mark how you doing I'm doing well and great to be back with you look I'm looking forward to this one I think it's going to be opted what we thought his office was going to be for more NFL type system I think Mario has been fun to watch because while he still makes mistakes and he still makes them throws and foremost we know what the questions were about Kyle Murray mostly size mostly build you know mostly the offense that he played in that a minute but when you look at this Arizona offense I think they're starting to sort of figure out what they want to be I think Kerry has done a nice job of sort of a just just how excited are you to turn on the TV and watch this one on Sunday I'm very excited to watch it because we're GONNA talk a lot about Daniel Jones so we can get in to watch he's been fun to study and of course there's Daniel Jones sides who would wear you know he's had some great frozen moments over the past couple of weeks as well so it's fun to watch these two quarterbacks of a deeper drops we can get behind the line a little bit more but I wasn't as concerned as others were were about that when it comes to his frame and his size and that way I wonder if you could his plan style would enable him to last in the NFL to sustain a full sixteen game season I think you look at his baseball background. The patient rose doors were areas at where I thought we're going to need to see some growth from how many started to sort of put that stuff on film the past couple of weeks I was got it obviously the fan base for both teams are hoping that these guys will be battling in the NFC for years to come now but this will be the first chance to see him on the field at the same time had worked through but when it comes to his is you know the height thing he's adept at finding pro online similar to Baker Mayfield the year before him Michael Lombardi gift certificates setting a new standard for sports news there are no ads pop ups or Click Bait just great sports writing that tells the story behind story when you see the ability to sort of slide at I know that sounds a little bit silly but he does a great job of protecting himself he's a quarterback that you would see give up the potential then you could see that from his film at Oklahoma where he was able to sort of create some throwing lanes with his feet sometimes they'll structure their pocket differently to give Alta the coaches film as up over NFL game pass and you're seeing isolated examples of him doing things like looking off safeties or making NFL offenses we talk about Cliff Kingsbury we see when you watch the cardinals that they're doing some things that are different offense than than little nuanced things that didn't really see a lot from him and Oklahoma he started put that on tape now and so those two areas that manipulation that anticipation those were as between the linebackers you know he's getting the ball out before Fitzgerald crosses that first linebacker so he can make sure that Fitzgerald's going to catch it between the two new those anywhere else no ads or click bait just great sports writing join today for the inside story on your team forty percent off your annual subscription to the best sports running around air for that they probably haven't seen yet it's a great question at I'll take the second part of it I you're seeing a lot more in the sort of decisions that you can question now a couple times a game he'll come up with a throw that will really sort of impressed you or sometimes more than a couple of throws it really sort of impression so he's been Dell style or pro style offense and what are the cardinals doing that is really different that the giants are really going to have to prepare in my mind coming out but at the same time there were shoot of areas that I was really looking for from him manipulation with the eyes and dissipation throws over the middle yet A. Y. Cross a couple of weeks ago we've that crossing route and it's Larry Fitzgerald coming from right to left and he throws them open in Spain additional potential yardage to get off on the next play and so I wasn't asking certain about not as well and when it comes to sort of the idea of implanted NFL offense and know that was a is but he has the ability to press a lot of scrimmage if he decides to keep the ball and then you really put that flat defender and a bond because on one side of you've got a potential in a sense by the clarifier but I liked his ability to make region throws from the pocket and so you know he answered a lot of the questions at least what you normally see in the NFL it's really a twofold question is there really any more such a thing as an enemy the big play in the running game when he scrambling on to duck out of bounds to slide rather than you know take a defendant a spin move or something he would forgo or sacrifices you know watching this stuff from lease four and five last night and get ready for the show and get ready for the peace I'm going to write you know when you call the this morning I was looking at his game from last week ever in the flat wade he can throw into and you've got the quarterback press in the line of scrimmage in the ways usually designed it's just that flat defender that they put in conflict with that you know zone read an option off of that type of game that you don't see a lot of NFL teams really do whether they'll run basically inverted V ear where you've got the potential Murray to keep it with blockers in front of him you've got sort of zone read stuff where the gut built in package screen earns and questions and a hat from him and he started to sort of peace that stuff together let me ask you this mark talk about we talk about four pro style. NFL offense I really have those questions about him to the extent that others did I thought they weren't certainly things that he would have to sort of figure out there's a lot of options in Vir elements that you're more familiar scene on Saturdays than you are on Sundays so these offense at the giants haven't seen yet this year here at so obviously that's going to be stuff that they're going to need to get ready for on the defensive side of the ball going into this game as far as sort of bigger picture issue I really alone him with a post behind him and deep over out in front of them whichever way he goes you throw to the other one you know we typically think that's sort of a pro style concept but how different is what we typically associated with NFL passing games and pro style offenses where you isolate a defender and you high loa I mean what everybody's sort of sort of next evolution of a rudimentary aspect of offense of football which is finding a defender and putting them into conflict and then make your decision based on what he well I guess you look at it and you can say that I guess good offensive concepts that that stress defenses in in different ways about Daniel Jones we really haven't we really haven't gotten into Jones too much yet today you did a sort of a quarter of the football again for the main reason is money because when you draft that rookie quarterback we have that younger quarterback you wanna run things ear progress report on Jones you know for us that that published on on Tuesday what I want to ask you is really perhaps you the simpler what you always call the quick game concepts you know the the the one decision or the other decision that a quarterback might have verse you know New England with Brady you're seeing some of the newer concepts Lloyd air raid concepts that aren't really new for the NFL in their playbook as well to make it is perhaps a a simpler way to teach and and as you said maybe a quicker way to get these guys on the field and and give them a chance to succeed you be would you be happy with what you've seen from Jones would you feel optimistic about his future or as he sort of come does we're used to seeing it sort of deep downfield passing game in moments like that are beyond just doing it in a little bit of a different way all right so let's talk a little bit that really then showing a linebacker potential hand off and if he comes down you throw the slant route over his head if he stays deep on the sled you know your hand the ball off it's just is work their way into the NFL from the college ranks of from schools or systems that have been you know coaching this stuff for some of these guys would be coaching this stuff for years now lead yeah I think that's a that's a great point and I've thought about a lot of what we're seeing now the college and even the pro ranks types of systems work into the national football league so the idea of pure NFL offense a pro style offense I think that is solely but surely going by the wayside there's this push to get younger perhaps more inexpensive players on the field and productive early in their careers you're going to turn to these designs and then let's face it we're seeing in obviously the name right now is Lincoln Riley perhaps becoming a head coach you put all of this together you're going to see more of these offensive tiles types of plays you know good offense is good offense and the other part of that is NFL teams have a lot less practice time than they than they did in years gone by so per fell so part of the reason people are probably happy about where he is
'Valentine's Views' podcast: What we have, and haven't, learned this offseason
"Podcast listeners. We Are Amazing Avenue, the espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator, and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view, and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails. Give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Pillow giants, fans and welcome to a new edition of Valentine's US podcast here on Biglou view radio part of your SP nation family of podcast I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue? View and we're coming to you on Tuesday. June sixteenth, the giants for all intents and purposes ended their virtual season program last Friday. The NFL, said that those things can run. For a couple more weeks, I believe through June twenty-sixth and I know that giants rookies will still be. Be Meeting with the coaching staff up until that point, but for all intents and purposes, the virtual off season program is over, and which means it's time for us to discuss what we've learned what we haven't learned about the giants you know before we get to to training camp in here to help me discuss. Some of that is good friend. Patricia trainer who talked to in a while Patty. How you doing how you been. I'm doing well. Ed, but I was starting to think he didn't love me anymore. Oh Patty. Do we have to go through this again? Sure you don't got no. I have to break your warns add. Of course patio? Of course, it's just you. Know Football Perry there hasn't been anything to talk about so I. Know I know it's been hard to come up with things to write about, but you know. Look the good thing about what we do is. We are paid to be creative and I don't know about you, but I'm trying my best to come up with stuff that you know. People want to read and and take part in and whatnot, and it's been a challenge though I can use some football. That's for sure we all could patty. We all could so what I wanted to do today. Sort of talk about the off season that the giants have had such as it is virtual program. We've had very little access to To, giants, coaches and players. We've talked to Joe Judge a couple of times. I think we talked to Dave, gettleman we. We had video conferences with a couple of players. And you and I noticed over the past few days we took sort of different approaches to to wrapping up the offseason. You did a sort of things that we learned about the giants throughout the the virtual off season, the draft all of that. I took sort of the opposite approach. The things that we didn't learn any because of the fact that we never really that we never got to see them on the field, so let's actually go through some of that. What we'll do is we'll a kind of look at your post that you did on giants country. Talk about some of the things that. That we that we learned enduring the the during the last couple of months and we'll talk about that then we'll take a little break and we'll talk about Some of the things that I wrote as. So, let's take a look at. Let's start with some of the things that we learned. About the giants this off season. And one of the things that you mentioned. Is that they the giants? Definitely sought to really upgrade speed on defense we. We have no idea how that's all going to play out, but it was pretty apparent. When they drafted so many linebackers. And that's one of the reasons. They said they did that so just. Just your thoughts on on what they did with the player acquisitions Patty and what they attempt to do on the defense. Right, so the way I broke it down as three segments in the article. What we know what we think, we know what we don't know, but for the what we know column. She said one of the things. Dave gettleman when he spoke to us after the draft, he said that they sought to add more speed to the back end of the defense, which was a problem this year. If you remember how many times did we watch a running back or a titan get to the second level, and just absolutely blow by a linebacker or safety pursuit. We that far TWAS Open. We saw the same thing with titans going up the seems. Excited Stat regarding You know the tight ends in the damage that they did to the giants defense and I know I got sick of watching it I'm sure you've got sick of it. I'm sure a lot of people got sick of it, and it was a clear indication to me. That! They needed to add speed to that defense. Because if you don't have the guys that can keep up with these fast, running backs and receivers and tight ends, it's not going to help your pass rush and I think. Even though we don't know how it's going to play out and we haven't seen. How quick is for example, campground, linebacker. They selected in the sixth round. Is He like Ryan? Connolly Guy who? Doesn't have very many wasted steps. You know based on what films available. Based on the feedback we got from from gentlemen, and from Joe, judge, which can probably say that they've added some speed, but how they deploy it, and how it actually looks against other speed. That's still to be determined. Almost definitely patty one of the things that we're doing it big blue view that we do every summer is we do our summer school series and one of the things that we've been going through? Recently are different coverage schemes cover one cover to. We've also at this point. Hit cover three and cover four all of which have their own plusses, their own minuses, one of the things that you learn as you study each one of those. Is that offenses have coverage beaters. They have ways to attack each and every one of those particular defenses that that you can employ. As that you have to. You have to have speed. You have to have range. You have to have guys who can cover. Large areas to sort of close those windows, so I, at least like the emphasis, I like the effort to to add speed and athleticism to the defense. Yeah like I said it was something that they'd been lacking for the longest time you know they. They tried to patch work it through free agency and it wasn't working. You know yes, you get a guy who maybe is a little bit more experienced in what he sees and how to react and whatnot, but on the flip side you get a guy like Antoine, but they for example who a very smart player you know. knew his stuff, good leader and everything like that, but it was evident when you watched on the field that he just couldn't keep up anymore, and that's the trade off. You have when you try to patchwork a problem area with free agents in older, the free agent, the more likely you're gonNA. Have trouble trying to hit the Jackpot, so to speak, so the giants finally stopped with the Patchwork stuff, and they devoted resources to positions, and we looked at it. You know not just at Linebacker, but in the defensive secondary where they could have used some speeding more aggressive is on the offensive line. Those were probably the three biggest areas on the giants that that we're lacking at the end of last year, and they've addressed that by throwing young. We sources at that. And one of the other things that you talked about that, we we have all talked about during the course of the off season is all of the attention. The giants paid to the offensive line. This is really version three of Dave settlements. Defensive Line Rebuilt. He walked into giant's door at the end of two thousand and seventeen, saying that that was one thing he knew he absolutely had to do is to rebuild that offensive line. I think that that. Judging from what you wrote you like me with the addition of Andrew Thomas with the addition. Of Matt Burke with the addition of Shane Lemieux with the addition of veteran swing tackle cam flaming. I think that you. Feel like this might be the best offensive line the group that has the best chance to be a good offensive line that get put together. Yeah, you know what I mean. You set needs to me in the press box for I don't know how many years now and how many times have I screamed about. They don't have backup debt at offensive tackle. They you know their backup. Depth in the ulterior is is shaky. I've been screaming about that for years. So what happens is is when somebody gets injured or somebody is not performing up to snuff the coaches. Look at what they have and they say okay. Do we run with and let's take? Nate sold for example who I still say banged up more than they let on last year, so do they say okay? You know what? Nate older at fifty percent is better than anything. We have as a backup at one hundred percent. Will you know what I I would not be surprised if that's what happened last year some now in having added resources to that offensive line, they should have that problem if somebody gets hurt, you know with Cam Brown has to go in for a game or two. Because you know God forbid, soldier or Andrew Thomas is is injured. There shouldn't be that much of a drop. Drop off. You know same thing along the interior of the offensive line, and then you throw in the fact that you know they've got the new coach with more Colombo. Who I think is one of the most underrated hires on that staff, and they're just in such a better place, probably the best place this unit has been in in. I can't tell you how many years I would probably have to go back to two thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight that particular offensive line. Wow I hadn't really thought about going back that far, but you could be right patty. One other thing in your post that I wanted to talk about in in in you mentioned the wide receiver position, and the feeling that they should be okay. There and I would agree as long as they're healthy. As long as sterling shepherd plays a full season as long as golden tate. WHO's getting a little bit older? You're doesn't begin to fall off the back end of the cliff as long as. It's rookie. Year wasn't a mirage. I still wish. In surprised that they didn't take a wide receiver. In the middle rounds of the draft fifth sixth round anyway where there were still some talent available, but It's really for me anyway it. It's about health, would you? Would you agree with that? Y-. I would definitely agree with that and also add A. disclaimer here I was also surprised initially, but having thought about it. Where would that receiver have played if you? Spent the third round, pick or fourth round pick a fifth round pick even on a receiver where exactly what he had played, he probably best would have been the number four receiver, so you've got golden. Tate Sterling Shepherd Daria Slayton. You've got Evan Ingram Cain Smith saquon Barkley all ahead of this. Whoever's going to be number four? That guy probably wouldn't have. Had you know a lot of opportunity this year now some. Some people out there listening and say well. What about in the future? Yes, you're correct, but here's the thing next year's draft class. Early indications are that next year's draft. Class at receiver is going to be just as deep as this year's so maybe the giants and thinking to themselves. Okay, you know what we'll see what happens. We'll hope that sterling shepherd makes it through, and doesn't have any issues will hope that. Room. Is finally healthy because Jason Garrett hopefully. Him. than. Pass coaches will hope that quarry. Coleman is over his ACL and can contribute something so I know there's a lot of gamble in there, but I think that is what went behind their thinking and you know like I said they were going to throw win. saquon Barkley, who I would suspect is going to be part of that receiving game. You're going to see Canaan Smith involved in that regard. You're going to see obviously a tate. Who shouldn't as far as we know he's. He's going to be available for a full season. There's no suspensions or anything like that And Slayton as mentioned in shape so. There are options. Yes, it's a bit of a gamble, but I think that's why the giants may be didn't go crazy. As far as you know drafting guys, and then you know, here's the other thing. The other caveat here because that class was so deep, you had guys fall down the draft Ford and sometimes out of the draft that may be an ordinary years would have been drafted data, three picks, or something like that, so who's to say one of these three guys that they picked up a Benjamin Victor. Dylan and KNAPP, who say one of those guys in in a normal year might not have had a higher grade, or maybe they had like I don't know if a fifth round, grade or sixth grade or something like that. That's how deep classes so you can't really you know. Thumb your nose and say oh. The giants didn't do anything at receiver, and and they screw themselves. Patty and the one thing that I always remind people and I know you do this says well. You can't get everything. In one off season, you make your decisions. You set your priorities. You make the best choices that you can, but you have a limited number of draft choices. You have things you WanNa, get done. You have players that you like you have a limited amount of capital in free agency. and. You can't just snap your fingers and at least on paper. Fix every single problem you. You set your priorities. and you do the best you can. And that's what the giants did here and it just didn't happen to include you know adding wide receiver. Now and if you look at what they did, they address their three biggest areas of concern you know, and it goes back to what I said about coaching whether or not this was done intentionally or a happy accident. You have three. Guys coaching positions in the defensive backs the linebackers, specifically the inside linebackers and the offensive line who at one point or another played the game, so they have a little understanding as opposed to somebody who maybe didn't play the game or was a little further removed from playing the game. That's GonNa make a big difference as well and and and I think you know if you're Dave gettleman at the start of the year you look at a team that you know had talent but really. Needed a little bit boost and you. You make a kind of like a checklist and say okay. Where do I need to upgrade? Boast and I think we could all agree. Offensive line was probably at or near the top of the list. We could probably all agree. That linebacker was probably a close second edge Russia was probably in there as well. Is Secondary was in there, and then you know from there once you have your priority list, you say to yourself, okay? Do we go free agency or do we go draft and the kind of work through those questions, but you're right. You're not gonna get everything every year, and you know the things that end up on the bottom of your list you you could say. Do we have a a a number one receiver? Who Can Who can take top off of a defense like like Slayton can. Well maybe not, but you don't know. Maybe you know Jason Garrett will scheme stuff open maybe Korey Coleman if he gets an opportunity will be able to to recapture the speed, so these are some the gambles that they take in and we've seen that, Dave. Gettleman does take gambles sometimes they workout. Sometimes they don't but That's what you gotTa do you can't play. You have to roll the dice. Right Patty so let's do this. Let's take a quick break right now for a word from our espy nation sponsors. When we come back, we will talk a little bit about the post. I did which includes. A couple of other topics that I WANNA discuss. They've seen us through a huge revolution in how we think about content. It's just changed everything about the world of entertainment. I'm Ronnie Mola and I'm Peter Kafka and we're hosting the new season land the giants, the Netflix's effect. We're exploring all things. 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You probably did touch on your own post, but just touch on on a couple of these things that I wrote a little differently than you did. And for me, one of the things one of the things about the off season is we don't get answers to every single one of our questions. Coaches will always tell you that position battles aren't decided on until training camp, and that's not always true. I think we learned that the last couple of years. With John Jalapeno at center, the giants denied up and down the last two springs that Jalapeno had already won the starting center, job and Lo, and behold. He was the starting center, and there was never really a competition, but there are things that we learned by being around the team in the spring by seeing some of the practices at O. T.. By seeing the rookie minicamp in and the. The veteran minicamp, and obviously we haven't had that opportunity this time around, so there's a few things that we didn't learn and and one of the things we didn't get a hint about. We talked earlier about the offensive line. We don't know which side Andrew Thomas is going to play. We know he's playing one side. Nate soldiers playing the other side. Spring practices would have given us a hint. For me. My guess is Thomas Plays. The right in in soldier plays the left, but but I'm not I'm not really all that worried about it. I think that's how it's going to turn out. Just just your thoughts on on what we might see there. You know I. I tend to think the opposite. I think because of the off season workouts being canceled because of Kobe it makes more sense to just put. Andrew Thomas Left and move nate soldier over to the right side. Now you're right. Joe Judge has said has not said what the plan is other than he. The plans to cross train guys at multiple positions. From my perspective, it's okay if Andrew Thomas. Is Your future left tackle? Just move on their. You know move solar over you know. Ultimately solar is not in your long plant, so so let the kid get comfortable at the left side. If soldiers struggles now you've got like I said. You've got Nick Gates. You've got Cam Brown. You've got that part. I if you want you, you've got options on that right side so to me. I think it makes more sense to play Andrew Thomas on the left side and move. Nate solder over to your point, ED, about The coaches and the depth chart you're you're absolutely right usually when we go in and we look the spring workouts that what we see is you know the we kind of get a loose idea with the depth chart looks like even though coaches will say well, there's no depth chart. It's like a plank wall. We know that's not true. Somebody's got to work with the first team. Somebody's got to work with the second team. That's information. We generally start to get and You're right that. That's something we are missing. We can assumptions but It's going to be a little harder. I think to really say okay. This is how it's going to be. And you know another thing that that we missed out on with with lack of spring workouts and all of that. I don't know about you, but I was really looking forward to seeing. What a Joe Judge Practice look like what how Joe Judge Ran a practice how he interacted with players. Looking forward to seeing how this entire coaching staff worked together, it's such an interesting staff with with former head coaches on it with so many guys who are coming out of the college ranks. And it was kind of interested in in in Jason Garrett and seeing how he sort of reacted in handle going back to being an offensive coordinator. How Patrick Graham began to put his defense together. So I feel like we just. We learned a few things about Joe Judge, but I feel like we just at this point. Don't really know anything about this coaching staff. Now I think. I think you're right on the surface, but we know that this coaching staff. Joe Judge said he wanted teachers. He didn't want. Guys were salesman, so if he kind of. Apply what you know a teacher to be talking about a good teacher. You might be able to kind of get an idea of what to expect with the staff. You're right. What what? What you miss out on by not seeing the practices are the little nuances for example. How much time do they spend on fundamentals? Versus how much time are they spending on You know the installs for example How many times during course of practice do they work with special teams? So little nuances like that you know is Joe Judge Floating from unit unit. Is he standing on the side? Is He riding around in a golf cart? These are all things you don't. Know yet, so and they're important because every coach. Does it a little differently you know. Are they gonNA, use music, are they? Knock into use music. ARE THEY GONNA? Use those big speakers that announced that the different changes in the the practice sections at you know little things, so that is still to be determined I'm sure judge I've has a plan for how he wants his coaching staff to interact with these players I'm sure he has a plan himself as to how he's going to interact Mike. Feeling as you're going to see a very hands on group that is going to be actively involved. That is going to be demonstrating that going to maybe not be yeller yellows. Because you still have a relatively young group here and you know being a yeller is not necessarily. A good way to go about teaching a young group, but you're gonNA. Have I wouldn't call them cheerleaders, because that's probably not a not a good word, but you're going to see a lot of encouragement I. Think and I think you're gonNA. See a lot of these coaches really get into the thick of things, demonstrate stuff and make sure that these players are doing everything. They possibly can to be successful out there. And the other thing final thing that I really wanted to mention one of the things that we see a lot in the spring. And admittedly we get fooled a little bit sometimes, but we. We spend a lot of time looking at. At the undrafted guys at the unknown guys trying to figure out which guys have an opportunity once we get to training camp, and you have to Kinda suspect I think at this point that some of these undrafted guys might get the short end of the stick simply because with training camp. However, that's going to operate. There's just you know with with no spring workouts. There's just such a limit on reps. limit on opportunities. I don't know about you, but I've kind of missed. Just being able to get a handle on on you know does giovane Lee have a real chance to make to make this roster which one of those? UNDRAFTED wide receivers. You know that you talked about earlier. Which one stands out? Does a kid like Reisen. John, you know making a transition from tight from division to wide receiver to NFL tight end have a legitimate chance I kind of missed the just being able to see those guys in and and maybe get an idea. Guys. We should be paying attention to in training camp. I'll no question I mean that's actually one of the most fun parts of watching the spring workouts. Is You come away and you say Oh, this is going to be my choice for a sleeper. This is going to be. The player that I'm going to be keeping an eye on, but I also think this is where you've got to be creative. You've got to look at the roster and you've got to say to yourself. Okay? Where are the needs? Where do they potentially have room? So if you were to? You know going back to your point about Giovane leak. who was backup running back? This is a kid who can also play. Be returned specialists, so the giants don't really have a return specialist. If he lights it up, could, he may be bummed. Jonathan Hillman off the roster so you could say to yourself. Okay, you know what based on that need I'm GonNa keep an eye on John Lee because I. think he might have a chance of bumping somebody off the roster making this fifty three man roster at the very least the practice squad, because remember this year starting this year at any rate, the giants and all NFL teams from going to be able to bring two guys up off the practice squad to make it a fifty five roster for Game Day so that's going to. Factor into everything. So you know. Yes, you're right. It's always good to see and form your own opinions, but I think you can also look at the roster and. Say Okay, where are the biggest needs and where my guys have a potential opportunity to really you know, sneak onto the roster. Right Right Patty and I just wanted to clarify i. think it's you can bring up to players. To your fifty five man active roster, but I think on game days. We're still talking about. We're talking about forty eight now as opposed to forty six in the past correct. Yeah, I believe that's correct, but the point being is you can increase your roster offering, so you know if you need a guy. At a position because guys a game, time decision, or whatever you you have that luxury and you know I gotta go back. I've got a look at the actual The wording of it but I I think once you put him back on the practice squad. He's protected. I'm not in. Somebody can't claim him off waivers, but I've got to go back and look at them and I think you're right about that and I liked that I liked being able to to bring a guy up and down without necessarily risking losing him every time. Yeah absolutely I mean, and and it's an opportunity for these players to get some valuable live rep experience which they weren't able to really. Get if they sat and languished on the practice squad I mean the practice squad. Actually I shouldn't say that it's important. Don't get me wrong, but you know. Some of these guys become perpetual practice squad players. Yes they do patty all right I. think that we have We've covered enough enough topics for today patio. Really appreciate your spend some some time with me. Giants fans. As always, please remember to subscribe to Big Blue View on all of your favorite podcast applications. Thank you and we'll talk to you soon. Bye, bye! Hi I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts each week day we bring you. 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Odell Beckham trade: Ed Valentine, Patricia Traina break it down
"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to a bonus edition of the Valentine's us podcast as we discuss. Tuesday's stunning trade by the New York Giants of Odal Beckham to the Cleveland Browns. In case you have been living under a rock and hadn't heard the giants. The SIV Ning traded Beckham to Cleveland for a first round pick seventeenth overall third round pick ninety sixth overall and third year safety Gibril Djibril peppers, a former first round pick. So the Odell Beckham era in New York is over at big blue view. We've already written a the news slash reaction story. I've given you a Valentine's views column with some of my thoughts on that Chris phlegm and Dan position to have given you a podcast of their own offering. Their take on the situation what we're going to do here. Now is Patricia traina of lock done giants? And I had a little discussion about the Beckham trade earlier what I'm going to do is play that discussion for you, Patty. And I are going to use that I'm going to use that discussion here. Patty's going to use it on her show at locked on giants. So let's play that for you. Now as Patty and I discuss our reactions to the Beckham news. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The enemy our each Monday. We speak with the top athletes of anime from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning. Analysts segment we talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm using colleges. Nate Sloan songwriter. Charlie harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. It's our job to help you find those a ha moments within the music, whether you're a pop fanatic or skeptic, a teenager or an octogenarian non musician or professional composer every music lover. Will discover something you're opening in switched on pop. Yeah. And we think you'll have a lot of fun with us because you're going to get to hear from amazing guest musicians. Song writers producers journalists listen to switch on pop every week starting in March on the apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. So I'm joined now by Ed Valentine, a big blue view. My former co hosts here at the locked on giants podcast and Ed as we recorded. It is ten o'clock at night. I don't know about you. But I was kind of counting on a quiet night. And such is not the case. No, Patty, you know, just just to let folks know we're doing a little bit of a of a of a joint conversation here you're going to use. You're gonna use it at locked on giants. I'm going to use it on my own new show at the Valentine's use podcast so will be killing two birds with one stone here. But but like, you, you know, I I was all settled down got got the pajamas on. I got the bathrobe on. I was was ready to go watch some TV. And then Dave Gettleman went and traded Odell Beckham to the Cleveland. Oakland browns. And and and I'm still trying to process that when Patty, you know, at I just put together something for Forbes. I just it just published literally seconds ago. I have some thoughts about this. You know, I know I apologize homeless Twitter followers. I had not had a chance to really look at the my mentions. I know there's a lot of people who are upset who are asking. Why what the heck is going on? Whether the giants doing an Ed I just want to mention a couple of things that I put in that article just just for what it's worth number one. I think given the hall that the giant Scott, and for those who don't who haven't heard they not only got safety Gibril peppers, which you know, the bills need it. Also gives them the Browns first round pick, which is number seventeen overall. And the second of the Browns to third round picks, which I believe is number ninety six overall. I don't know about she wed. But I have a feeling that quarterback. Now becomes in play for the giants. I kept saying before the giants made this trade that I thought it would be a pass rusher. At number six. I didn't see quarterback being in play. Now. Think quarterback might be play with this extra. You know, first round pick in and disturb round pick, absolutely, Patty. I think it has to be you know, I think that that you've got two first round picks. Now, you got a third round pick even though it's I think the very last pick of the third round. You have twelve picks overall and. You know, you're you're perfectly set up. Now, you know, if you want to sit there and say wait for Dwayne Haskins at six or if you wanna package your pick somehow and move up in try to move up to to two or three or whatever, you know to guarantee that you get Dwayne Haskins. Now, you're set up to do that. So, you know, so from that perspective, I get I get what Gettleman was trying to do here. I don't know about you, Patty. But you know, I see people in in the Twitter mentions in those kinds of things, and I'm like you. I haven't had much time to spend in there because I did a quick column it big blue view. I'm. It's a first round pick. It's a third round pick. It's not a top five or top ten pick. But I don't know. Do you think it's too much too little too late? You know, do you think it's it's an all right hall for Beckham? You know? And I haven't really thought of it. I figured China's we get at least two first rounders. But you know, they're getting a free safety in April peppers who still on his rookie deal. So he's relatively cheap. But you know, I looked at the cap as you, you know, as I always do especially for Forbes. That's kind of what what we do with the articles. And you know, I'm getting I know one question that I am getting is how can the giants dump Odell at this price. But yet justify keeping Eli manning. And you know, this kind of me to the second point. I was I was getting at the savings might not be astronomical now and right now, I don't really on a quick glance. I thought it would be around fifteen million since gone back and plug on the numbers in it's not that high. But if you look at over the cab now the giants are projected for twenty twenty two have well over. One hundred million dollars in salary cap space now that number will come down. No question about it. But you know, right now, they are in really good shape. So I just think that this whole transaction. You know, if there was ever any doubt that really shouldn't have been because it was kind of obvious. This is a rebuild and for those people who are asking me why allies still on this roster. That's why I say I think now a quarterback is more realistically in play. And maybe the giants now don't wanna extend ally. So if you weigh all that together to answer your question head, I think, you know, I think it's a good deal for both sides. Howdy. I think that one of the things that that you said I wrote the same thing at big blue view and posted just before we started to chat in trying to to quickly, you know, make sense of this whole situation in at all of us who cover the giants. We're all kind of scrambling in thinking on our feet here and trying to figure out what's inside of Dave gentleman's head which which by the way, if anybody can really figure out what's inside. Dave Gettleman head, you know, I I really want want the formula because because that that man is is completely in thoroughly. Unpredictable. But you know, you're absolutely right. I think that quarterback is in play here. And as I was writing it, big blue view something dawned on me in this whole ally. Manning conversation. What if in in all throw just a what if question the giants have a five million dollar roster bonus to pay ally? Manning in four or five days, I think it's on the seventeenth of this month. Right. What if the play is Josh Rosen and alike doesn't get that roster bonus? That was just a scenario that that that popped into my head as I was writing that you know, what I wrote was. Yes, the giants still have a thirty eight year old quarterback today. But you know, but that's and there's no inside information behind that. It's just a scenario that floated through my head, you know, because that's a quarterback who's already got a year of playing experience. So if you're in a rebuild and you don't wanna rebuild with thirty eight year old quarterback behind center. And I think we both know that Dave Gettleman is not as committed to ally manning as Pat Shurmur seems to be maybe Josh Rosen is the play could he could be. I don't know. I mean, I I definitely think that now you've got extra draft assets. And I do think in one way shape or form quarterback. Is now gonna be played beat. Whereas before again, I was convinced they were going to go pass rusher. At number six. I still think they are going to go pass rusher at number six. But now that they have that extra that extra draft pick. Now, maybe quarterback becomes a more realistic option because you know, look before all this went down. I suggested they extend ally one year, which is kicking the can down the road. I get it. But they didn't have an option. I didn't think they were gonna go for quarterback. They didn't have the third round pick which is reported asking price for Josh Rosen. You know, they didn't I didn't get the impression that they were higher an any of the quarterbacks in this class to go with that guy for number six. Now, this changes everything, and here's the other part of it. Ed right now, you have a fan base. That's kind of I rate, you know, they got rid of their best to best defensive player's alleviate burn. And landed Collins they traded away. Oh, del Beckham junior who I don't have to tell you was a very popular figure amongst fan base. They gotta do something. I think to to bring back the excitement to get the fan base something to look forward to because right now if you look at this roster you say good Lord. How are they going to compete it all twenty nineteen? I hear you, Patty. I think that this move even more so than the Lind Collins move because Odell has been such a lightning rod with the giants for so long. Now, this move is a tipping point for the giants complete total change of direction. I mean, they can't say anymore. I mean Gettleman hates to use the word rebuild. He says that to us over and over. He doesn't wanna use the word rebuild. He said he keeps saying we're just moving forward. But they are I'll I'll save reconstructing this team. You know, I look at I was actually, you know, making a list earlier Gettleman has gotten rid of Jason Pierre Paul Olivier Vernon Damon Harrison, divine Canard ally. Apple he watched Justin Pugh in west enrich Berg walkaway in free agency. And I'm probably forgetting one or two other big name guys at in addition to Collins and Beckham as well. And you know, trying to figure out earlier today. You know, what is the plan where is he going, and I may have mentioned to you one of our our conversations that we always seem to have that that it seems like he's playing a long game here. He's playing the rebuild game. Even though he doesn't wanna say he's accumulating assets. He's moving contracts, and as as emotional as you can get as tach does you get to some of these guys the reality of it is the giants have been bad for seven years. Now, they've had one playoff appearance they've been bad. They were thirty one in forty nine in the regular season games that Odal Beckham played you know, some of these guys were good players. But the giants as a franchise as a team as a whole were bad. And and government is just he starting over. So so you can be emotional. Attached to these guys. But the bottom line is the giants have been bad in you have to try something else. Absolutely added meaning the years and years of poor drafts. And this is what I try to explain to people. You know, the reason why they couldn't afford to keep Landon Collins is because they had a keep paying big money contracts to guys on whom they took mulligans and that began to add up, and what amazes me is that the giants did this. I think it was two thousand fourteen that didn't work out. They had a shed a bunch of dead weight after that, they did it again in two thousand sixteen that, you know, they got one playoff appearance out of it didn't go very far, but they had to go, and they had a shed deadweight. Again. This is what Gettleman is trying to do. I again in my article, according to over with the cap, they have over thirty three million dollars in dead money. Right. That's. That leads the league right now. And we haven't even started the roster building process. So the giants I don't expect them to be very active in free agency. I think they're going to pick up a bunch of you know, second and third type of guys. But just unbelievable. I it's you know, it's rebuild. Let's call. It. What it is. And for those who wanna know why is he li- manning still on this team? He's going to be a transition player. I suspect meaning that you know, if they do get the quarterback they'll be able to execute the Kansas City plan like they want to. And then I think maybe after this year, they say goodbye to him. Oh, sure. Patty. I mean entering two thousand nineteen no matter what they did. Ally was always going to be a transition player. The question. Became an it's still is you know, will that heir-apparent will that quarterback of the future come in this draft class in a will it come this year or will giants wait until two thousand twenty. And I think you're absolutely correct. That the additional draft picks the second first round pick puts them in position now to get a quarterback. And maybe to get something else in the first round. If they don't have to move to do it as well. Or if they choose to maybe use one of those one of their picks to to make the move for Josh Rosen as I talked about, but but without doubt quarterback has to be in play here because the giants are now set up to where they can do that. Yeah. And if quarterback isn't in play if they giants come out of this without a quarterback. I would be absolutely shocked. I mean, look you have turned over practically the entire roster since over the last two years. Okay. At some point you got to move on from the quarterback. Look I've been in Eli manning supporter for a number of years. I still say it is not his fault that the team has been so bad. It's not solely his fault. He's partially to blame. But not totally the blame. But you know, you're trading away. All these guys you you're letting these guys walk out the door at some point. You've you've got you've got a, you know, you've got to say, look, we've it's a tough decision, but we've got a rip the band aid off and just move forward. I agree. And I've made the case that that that band-aid probably could have been ripped off years ago that maybe the giants made a mistake, you know, as far back as two thousand fifteen. Eighteen when Tom Coughlin was was basically shown the door. I mean, they the giants at that point time could have basically they could have engineered a clean sweep a rebuild at that point in time. They could have ushered Jerry Reese out that could have gotten themselves in new quarterback and started over, and I think they'd be a whole lot farther down the path. You know, then they are now, but that's all sort of water under the bridge. They're starting over, and it sort of you know, I at this point. I can't waste a whole lot of emotion in a whole lot of energy arguing about whether or not he lie. Manning is the the quarterback to begin the two thousand nineteen season because you know, it it's as obvious as can be that he's not going to be there a whole lot longer. You know, regardless of whether he's there to open the two thousand nineteen sees. Or not it's as obvious as can be that the giants are pointed toward the future. End at that future is not going to include manning at as the quarterback for a whole lot longer. Yeah. I think that's how it's shaping up. I really do. And by the way, just a little FYI. I -ean Rappaport rap sheet at the NFL network just happened to put out a tweet just a few minutes ago saying that Odell saw Antonio Brown receive added money without adding New Year's upon being traded to the raiders. And that his understanding that being rap sheets is that old L wants the same thing from the Brown. So Dell or reportedly already looking for a raise from the Browns following the trade. No surprise there. Patty. I, you know, of course, he's going to angle to try to get something. You know, let's actually talk about Odell for just a minute. You were the first one months and months ago who raised the idea after Odell Beckham signed his five-year ninety million dollar deal with the giants. You were the first one to raise the the notion that there was basically. Chance he was ever gonna finish that five year deal with the giants in the more. I thought about it in the more. I looked at it in the more. I saw the different sorts of distractions and things that happened. I came to agree with you. But I didn't think it was going to happen now despite all the smoke that had been that had been floating around didn't think it was going to happen. Now. I thought the giants might try as long as they still had ally that they might go one more year try to make it work try to, you know, while they were transitioning, but you know, I guess Gettleman was happy with this price in he wants to to to to start that rebuild. Now. I'm just I think we knew that the end would come for ode L. I just didn't think it was going to come. Now. I didn't think it was going to come now either. But with that said, Ed the giants have. A lot of holes on defense. Stay have a few holes also on offense that they have to fix, you know, they're not gonna fix everything. This this year, they're going to fix a lot of things. But I don't think they'll fix everything. So I guess, you know, I don't know what the tipping point is. We have obviously heard from the giants. They haven't even announced a trade they can announce until four one pm on Wednesday. But you know, ultimately, you know, it's going to be interesting to hear what Gettleman has to say. I'm sure when the press release does come out they'll be a statement from him in there. And I'm curious to see what he has to say about it. Especially after you know, saying we didn't sign him to train them, which by the way, I took to mean that we're not intending to trade, but we could still trade him. If circumstances allowed for it. I took it the same way Patty, and one of the things that I wrote a little bit earlier this evening at big blue view was. Was we've heard you know, we hear a lot of of things from from gentlemen in. There are certain statements are certain things that he tends to lean on one of the things that he one of the the beliefs that he leans into quite a bit is that you don't give up on talent another one of the beliefs that he leans into an he leaned into really heavily when we spoke to him at the combine was this idea that a general manager's job is to eliminate distractions. And if for a while you've wondered, okay, well, those two things, you know, aren't necessarily they don't necessarily work hand in hand. So push comes to show, which one wins. And I think in the end we found out which one wins in his. His mind. Yeah. I mean, look he talks about how everything he does is designed to send a message to that locker room. Right. So, you know, Dell a talented player, and you know, he gave them an also spoke about the whole question. And in the end, he's basically saying look, no one is above this team. This is all about culture, and this is how we're going to do things. Now, my concern with this whole thing is if I'm, you know, sterling shepherd or I'm a premium free agent. How might they take this moving forward? I mean, I'm sure get them. It's not worried about that. But you know, you've got to worry about that. Because if you run too rigid of ship that could also work against two there has to be a little bit of flexibility. I mean, that's if you remember that's what Tom Coughlin did. When he first got here. He ran a very tight ship. And then he loosened up a little bit and everybody was singing kumbaya around the campfire. So. I'm curious to see how this plays out over the next year or so, yeah, it's a little bit of I wanna say shock and awe right now. It's still we're still processing all of it. But you kind of have to let it settle you kind of have to remember that we're still in the middle of free agency draft hasn't come yet. We don't know what the giants are going to do with all of those extra picks. We have to see we have to see where it goes, it, certainly it certainly makes it certainly makes the whole thing. Interesting. I mean, you know, owed Beckham was the the source of so many headlines and so much speculation in so many rumors, and you know, that that moves onto Cleveland now. But, but I don't know about you, Patty. But the giants I don't know if they're going to be any good going forward in two thousand nineteen. But at the moment, they certainly are interesting. Yeah, they are you know, one other thought I'm gonna I'm gonna throughout their ad for what it's worth. And I wrote this in my article for Forbes, and I just see a lot of history starting to repeat itself with this team. And by that, I mean, if you go back to two thousand six when Eli manning was still kind of young quarterback, and you had Tiki barber who was the unquestioned leader of that that offense and Tiki, you know, he was kind of a polarizing figure, you know, ally Willie. I don't think could be a leader with Tiki on the lock in the locker room. So when Tiki retired it became allies team. And you kind of wonder in this kind of goes back to my belief that maybe a quarterback is now in play for this year by removing down. I know this sounds ridiculous. But just hear me out on this. But by taking Dell's big personality Etta that locker room now when you bring in your next. Quarterback you allow him to naturally take over and be the leader of that offense, along with sequential Barclay something that I don't know if it was going to be able to happen with with Odell I mean because can you imagine if you know you get a young quarterback in there? And and that quarterback, you know, MRs Odell and Odell does stuff like what he did with ally manning with the expressions and the throwing up the hands. And you know, he's asked about you know, the the young quarterback in an interview. And he says something, you know, the wrong thing, can you just imagine what kind of repercussions that would have had and thinking about the shockey factor. Patty got a number. How all of that went down with Jeremy shockey, and it was one of the big reasons or the big reason why the giants moved on from Schalke because they had a young quarterback they needed to make the young quarterback comfortable, and you know, you I've wondered in the back of my head for a while. You know, it it's been obvious. That the giants are handing the football team. The leadership the face the front man for the organization now in the locker room is sequential Barclay, and I've wondered for a while, you know, how that would play with Odell Beckham it. And now the giants, you know, it's. People won't like this. And and I get that. But that's another thing. Now that the giants don't have to worry about you know, now what they can do whether it takes them awhile or not they're innocent Jewish in where now they're they're building the football team. That Gettleman wants that patch Germer wants will. They succeed will they fail. I don't know. But they're doing it their way they're doing what they think is right. And you know, we just have to see how it all plays out in the end, Patty. It certainly it certainly is different H. Sure is had an it's it's you know, it sent shock waves across the NFL. It said shockwaves, I'm sure are most every beat writer those Cleveland and the giant beat writer and the national writers and just well, you know, for for a team that's relatively quiet in free agency. The giants sure have made splashes in other ways. Poor Kim Jones who I know. I know for poor Kim, I think like five minutes after she went on the NFL network and said that that basically what all of us believed was that the giants weren't actively shopping Beckham. And you know, people might have been sniffing around and all of that. But that the giants weren't really trying to make a trade happen. Five minutes later. Odell Beckham was a Cleveland Brown. So so sorry, Kim, your timing was just pretty bad. You know, what I listen, I'm going to own it. You know, because that's how I am. I kept saying that I didn't think they would do it. I know there were writers. It said that you know, there's smoke. There's fire. They were right. And I was wrong. Look it's going to happen. I'm not going to be wrong. One hundred percent of the time. If i'm. I'm not going to be right. One hundred percent of the time. I should say if I'm right ninety five or better percent than than that's good enough for me. But look it happens to the best of us. Unfortunately, you know, like, you said it happened to Kim. Who's now standing reporter? You know? I know I preached it. I know that we're few other people who who didn't see it happening. And here we are at. I mean, it's it's a whole new era. This is this is not the previous regimes giants. This is this is Dave Gettleman patch club, and they are going to come do what they can to build this team back into a contender. And it's gonna take time, you know, we may have to go through another season where it's going to be a lean year. But hopefully, they get it all together. And they're able to make that transition from the manning era to wherever the new quarterback is very successfully. They'll just have to do it without del auto Patty would just have to get on the train with crazy. Dave and see where it goes. Yeah. We do. Add listen, always great chatting with you. I know there's still a lot of writing to do. There's a lot of discussions to do. I'm sure the radio with quests will come. So always a great chann- to to sit and chat and break the stuff down. We'll talk again soon. I hope. Yes, we will Patty. Thank you much and get get some sleep. We'll see what sort of craziness awaits tomorrow. Thanks a lot or giants fans. That's our show. Please stick with big blue view throughout the day on Wednesday as free agency officially begins as we continue to give you reaction to the Beckham situation to all of the free agency news surrounding the New York Giants things certainly have gotten interesting for the giants this off season. And we will do everything we can to keep you informed to give you the best. Best analysis and opinion that we possibly can. Thank you for listening. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason card. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full Tron keep telling you, we're not from this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster. 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The Ocho: What if Miles Austin caught it against New York?
"Nona. What world and welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented you in partnership, as always SPN nations blog on the boys dot com. My name are Joa, of course from BTV and from right here as you're humble, host on the Ocho some crazy kids are calling it. The eight, of course, Ocho means a in Spanish happy hump day. It is wins day, June twenty six two thousand nineteen and we're back once again, I told you, we're back to every day kind of routine up until later next week when I'll head to Israel for a couple of weeks with the family, then we're back and I think we arrived back. Or flying back into Houston on Wednesday. I think that's like the seventeen something like that. And then driving back to San Antonio on that Thursday. Anyway. The point is a week and a half after I get back from Israel is when all head out to Oxnard, California, for training camp myself, Jason mimics, rob Thompson, James pledge, our pledge is my Saturday morning hangover co host. We'll be out in ops NAR for a week, if you're going to be out there, make sure you hit us up. We'll have you covered obviously, on ESPN San Antonio on blog on the boys dot com. It will be a lot of fun. Speaking of it is, what if we across Espy nation? And that's kind of our here today, you know, yesterday we talked about what if the penalty against Anthony Hitchens and the two thousand fourteen while Conrad what if that penalties stood and there's a lot of, you know, butterfly effects that you can sort of take after that. I think there are more with today's what if I was really really, really excited, and I have legitimately. Laid awake at night thinking about this particular, what if I've thought you know, I've gone down one rabbit hole. I've gone down another gun, then another, etc, etc. This is a really fascinating to me. I want to transport you back. This is a bad memory, so I'm sorry in advance, I want to transport you back to December eleventh, two thousand eleven the Dallas Cowboys were hosting the New York Giants on Sunday night football at the time. The Cowboys were you know, fighting for the NFC ease the giants look like they were you know, kind of running on empty, and it was a game that ended with Jason Pierre. Paul block of the Bailey's attempt to go and try to win that game. Feelable obviously and wards are hard. But there's a point in this game where Tony Romo has third and five there's two minutes and twenty five seconds left. The giants have one time out the Cowboys are up in Tony Romo finds miles Austin who's beating the coverage and. Just just slightly overthrows miles and miles. Let's just go to the here's the play from Sunday night football December eleventh. Two thousand eleven. Stop coming for the giants here. Us. Warning. Austin coverage four down and works out perfectly. The giants will get the ball back. They only use one time out and they have a ton of time left. All they showed their blitz Romo, exposed them on the blitz. He knew yet, one on one coverage right down the field here, -absolutely wide open. No way in the world. Can Tony Roma's that throw it's been said many times by many Cowboys fans that miles Austin lost the ball in the lights. There's a lot of arguments that you can make on this. But the point is, is if the Cowboys win that game, and I don't want to basically, destroy our interview here. But if they win that game, the season finale against the New York Giants very same team is rendered moot. Because the Cowboys win the NFC that was you'll remember the first of three consecutive week seventeen win in your in games. The Cowboys twenty seven was the giants. Twelve redskins. Thirteen eagles. They unfortunately lost all three. This was the first if the Cowboys win that game there is no, Jason Pierre Paul block. There is no giants division title. And then there's no New York Giants Super Bowl forty six championship, and who wins that Super Bowl because you'll remember the twenty seven playoffs that was the Green Bay Packers. As the one who'd gone fifteen in one that was the San Francisco forty Niners in Jim Harbaugh's, first year there, where he had brought Alex Smith back into the world mean you know, maybe one of them wins the SuperBowl. Maybe Tom Brady into England Patriots when that Super Bowl in Indianapolis, there's a lot of ways that you can slice this, particularly within the giants angle. Because what happens if they don't win that second Super Bowl is Tom Coughlin still retained is Eli, somebody still has his long of a rope. I mean what happens and so to really flesh this out. I thought it best to bring in our brethren from the New York Giants, Ed Valentine, who's the managing editor over a big blue view dot com is home for New York. Content. Ed is a great friend been on the big view podcast many times. And we have a great time. Always, and so I thought it best to bring Ed in. So we could really flesh this out because this is one of the more fascinating. What if I think in NFL history, honestly, because it touches so many different teams. So that, that being said, I'll stop rambling, I'll stop giving away the show and let's do it. Let's get to Ed Valentine again, managing editor from big blue view dot com. Joining us next to talk about what if here on the Joe. With us. Now is a great friend of mine, and a great friend of yours. I know that and I trust that semi over on the other side of the pond. So to speak on the big Lou side, joining us now, managing editor from biglou dot com are espionage brethren. They cover the New York Giants on a daily basis. Your home near content you see a life studying interior team, Ed Valentine managing editor, DV gone. Oh man. R J is as as much as we get along. You always you always liked to throw in a little dig their, you know. But, but I'll, I'll let that go, we do get along. It's, you know, believe it or not Cowboys fans and giants fans you know, we can manage to get along. So there is that, you know, and we do have that, that come, and EMMY in Philly that wears green. Yeah. So just, just as an aside, our J before we get. Into our topic today. It is amazing to me how no matter who I'm talking to from whatever team I'm talking to the conversation. Always manages to turn around or come around to hell lousy eagles fans are. It's one of those things it's like people used to say like everybody is six two days away from Kevin bacon. Like, in terms of life, for, or whatever we're all every conversation in the world is six degrees away from discovering. The eagles fans are the most vile. I say that, by the way, you and I were talking on Tuesday, this is going to drop on Wednesday. I just made an appearance on BGN radio. So I feel kinda bad trashing than well. No, no, no. You're, you're, you're fortunate that you that, that we're doing this now. And you've done your BGN already if you're fortunate because, you know, then then you'd have to you'd have to defend yourself. I just had Lindsay Jones of the athletes, gray the big view podcast, and we're talking about NFL training camps. In the fact that teams so often or so many teams don't involve fans as much as they used to. She lauded. The Cowboys incidentally for, for how fan-friendly their you know, their training camp is, but I had to twist the knife on Lindsey because she actually made the mistake of in, in a recent column predicting that the New York Jets would win a Super Bowl before the giant another Super Bowl and I just I just couldn't let that go. I don't blame you for that. Certainly that's that's too far. You know, there's a line and Lindsey cross. And I said, I said, you just can't do that. Yeah, you're right, though. I'll be at a training camp in pink, like five weeks issue hours. Go for a week in your ride, and Lindsay's. Right. It's so fan-friendly and it does help that you're in California. You know, the practices are at three PM Kelly time, and it feels great. You know, the sun is beating on you, but you really don't notice it just because of the weather. It's, it's an overall spectacular environment. How is giants training camp? For people that don't know giants training camp. I started covering giants training camp in two thousand seven to two thousand eight and giants training camp used to be in Albany, New York, which is twenty minutes away from my house, on a college campus, university of all Binnie. And it was it was great because they had five fields there could sit in the grass, they could bread blankets out on a lot of the fields. The only thing separating fans from the team was like a little three foot high wouldn't, you know, wouldn't pick it fence kind of thing you know, people in and players had to walk through what they used to call autograph alley, where to get in and out of practice everyday they had to walk through the fans. That's it. And that was really cool. You know, they used to stay in Albany, they'd be out in the community every night. So. So now training camp is at their facility in East Rutherford. And I get it because they have three and a half practice fields there. They have an indoor bubble. They have everything they need in terms of equipment, but but fans sit in, you know, makeshift bleachers in a parking lot. Sure, you know, and it's just an players enter fans. Enter from one side the the locker room for players is completely on the other side of the fields. So players can completely avoid fans if they want to, you know, so it's just it's, it's they're invited, you know, the and, and they're not paying not like the eagles, who have won one practice that people pay for. We'll take another shot at the. But, but it's, it's, it's not nearly as, as fan-friendly as, as it once was that's fair after I graduated high school. The sound before started college. My dad had a business trip in Cleveland. And so I went with him and we went to Brown's training camp. And that was so cool. It's literally in the middle of neighborhood. You know, the, the houses around there that let you park on their yards for like five bucks. And I'm sure you know things a little different. This was a while back, but it was really cool. So it's training camps that time where everything is a little bit more personal. It does kind of have that football's in the air five, which is really cool. So I wanted to have you on, as you know, it's what if we across the network, Oliver Espy nation recently here on the podcast. We discussed what if on if your member when the Cowboys beat the lions in the playoffs in twenty fourteen if you remember Anthony Hitchens had a penalty on him that that was later picked up. In lines fans really, I rate it was a really contentious close thing. We discover we discussed that, but I wanted to have you on for a what if that is probably really painful for Cowboys fans probably really enjoyable for you. See I look out for you. I only bring you on for the good times. I wanted I wanna talk about nice two thousand eleven Cowboys giants, the first meeting, December eleventh Sunday night football on NBC. At set at, at the time was Cowboys stadium, obviously, since renamed, and close battle between the Cowboys and giants going back and forth back and forth and would just over two minutes left in the game. Cowboys have the lead on the giants in New York has one time out left and third and five Tony Romo finds miles Austin who's beating the coverage and he just overthrows him by a yard. I mean, just a an extra glove soda. Speak of miles Austin had stretched a little bit more in his youth. Maybe he would have caught that ball and obviously, the Cowboys have the punt New York. It's the ball. Everything follows and Dallas attempts to game winning field goal that Jason Pierre Paul blocks and that is kind of his signature moment. If you agree as member the giants that sets up the win in game for the two teams in week seventeen on New Year's day, New York winds that goes on their Super Bowl run, and obviously, a lot of things you know, would be different headed knock on that way. So my first question to you is what do you think happens to the giants? If miles Austin catches that ball 'cause 'cause at that point, the Cowboys can affectively bleed the clock dry and win that game in New York's probably out of the playoff picture to substantial degree. Well, I mean, we can boil this down to one simple thing in the show. Be done right. Giants win the Super Bowl Cowboys. Don't were done. That's. What happened there? It's done. No. But it's it's interesting, you're, you know, to be serious. You're absolutely right. You know if Cowboys win that game. Giants don't even make the playoffs right? You know, Dallas makes the playoffs. Who knows what happens? Maybe Dallas win the Super Bowl may be. They go on that magical run. You know, maybe the maybe they beat the patriots in the Super Bowl may be the patriots win another Super Bowl. We don't know to what happens to, to ally to Tom Coughlin because, I mean, I think from Cowboys fans perspective, it was Super Bowl forty six that really bought them a lot more favor. I mean, do you think that, that those eras come to an end sooner? Well, no here, here is a really interesting thing. And it's funny because when you broached this topic with me, you know, as an idea for the podcast, I was like, well, where am I going to go with this? And as we've been talking, I realized something. Things have not been the same for the New York Giants since they won that Super Bowl in two thousand eleven made the playoffs only once since then in one of the things that I have often said since that time is that for the long term health for the long term good of the franchise winning that Super Bowl going on that improbable run might have been the worst possible thing that could have happened to the giants franchise her in the big picture it matched a lot of things. Yeah. While here's here's why. Yes, it masked a lot of things because they were not a championship caliber roster at that point in time. And I think that giants fans even forget this. They need to give Tom Coughlin more credit than I think even giants fans give him for the coaching job that he did. Because in my in my view. Neither of those two championship teams two thousand seven or two thousand eleven were teams that were the most talented teams in the league weren't the best teams in the league. They want Super Bowls, simply because of the brilliance of Tom Coughlin, the brilliance of Eli manning and the brilliance of the plans, they put together defensively, you know to, to slow down. Tom Brady and bothered. Tom Brady, the template that the giants put together to defend Tom Brady is the one that team still used today, though. I think that giants fans need to understand. And I think for me what I have often said to other giants reporters is, I think that. You know, I've had a problem, you know, Jerry Reese, I thought sort of overstayed his welcome as giants GM, and I thought that what happened to Reese was that he got fooled by the two thousand eleven title. Sure got fooled by the state of the roster. And by thinking that he had a Super Bowl caliber, you know, roster at his disposal. Only started due to do things like instead of a safe player, he took a big swing and amiss on a guy like Marvin. Austin bribe? No, he traded draft resources for a backup quarterback like Ryan Nassib who never played. He took a big swing and a miss on a guy like montre more who you guys are familiar, you know at and, you know, might my thought always was that he he got fooled by that title into thinking. You know that he had a team where he could take those swings and misses her four week AAC does big swings for home runs. You know when he really had a team that had holes in it. Yeah. I think that any giants fan, you know, if you give them the choice so we need to have the title from two thousand eleven and heavily made the playoffs one year since or we could give up that title, maybe made the playoffs three more times who knows what happens, I think everybody's still takes title. I don't think anybody regrets that, but so you don't think the Tom Coughlin is acid earlier. You don't think he li- manning ousted earlier? Do you think that may be as a franchise? The giants move on from Jerry Reese earlier, if you know, because it's, it's a big leap to go from winning the Super Bowl to not being even a playoff team, if they missed the playoffs entirely in two thousand eleven than I do think it becomes this matter of well, 'cause what was the two thousand eight they were the one seed, and they had the first round exit. I mean so now all of a sudden, you're four years move from that. Maybe there is a bit of a reset. And so in some ways, if feels like if miles Austin catches that ball, maybe the giants are more and I don't mean to take a dig. But more stable franchise in two thousand nineteen than they are because he didn't catch. Well, you know, you could be you could be right there RJ, because I do think that in, I'm and I go back to when the giants let Tom Coughlin go after the, the twenty fifth deletes most to twenty fifteen is in go and. You know, the way things on folded love. Tom coughlin. I thought he was. You know, I thought he was terrific head coach. I admired him as a man, but his time in New York had kind of run its course. And I think we saw that in his dealing with Odell Beckham. Sure the whole Josh Norman incident where after the three penalties in the Josh Norman game all of that he never took Odell out of the game. And then he stood up in a press conference and said, well, I didn't even realize those penalties were on Odell which was a bunch of nonsense. And to me, it was that was when I thought that Coughlin had finally lost it a little bit had lost it a little bit. He had sort of sold out. He was so desperate to win games at that point because of the struggles that he had begun to sort of sell out all the things that he believed in, you know, just just to keep the talent on the field but. My. I remember sitting in the Tom Coughlin goodbye press conference. In John, merica or owner of the giants stood up in front of the media and said, you know, Coughlin is, is, is leaving replacing Tom Coughlin yada, yada. And they never said they were fire in Coughlin. Although they fired call when him or he stood in front of the media, and he said, this isn't Tom Coughlin's fault. This is Jerry Reese is fault because Jerry hasn't given the coaching staff good players, and yet he kept Reese, and let Coughlan go. That's interesting. And, and that never made any sense to me. And it took three or four more years for them to realize that the problem wasn't the coaching. The problem was the people picking the players care, you know. And so now they're trying to dig themselves out of a hole that, that took them seven or eight years of bad personnel decisions to get into see. And I just have to. Agean if, if they don't make the playoffs that year. Maybe it's not right after twenty maybe, you know, twenty two I don't I don't think the giants made the playoffs in two thousand twelve either. I mean, they they went they went nine and they went I think they went nine and seven that year. I'm not sure exactly what the record was. But they missed the playoffs by a game. And they missed the playoffs because of a stupid game that they blew in Philly. That's right. And that was the year, twenty three's rookie year and the year you mentioned how vile eagles are the Redskins, not quite on that level. But just their neighbors. I just I find it fascinating to, to hypothesize on what the giants would look like today in you, can you really can do this with a lot of different things. But you can almost boil it down to that one play if miles Austin makes that catch I mean I, I don't want to speak for giants fans. But I imagine that Jason Pierre. Paul. Is kind of not a legacy Muniz not Liano, if he's a, a ring of honor type guy but he's a beloved character to beloved player in New York Giants history if that blocked doesn't happen. And if the giants don't win that Super Bowl, he certainly doesn't get the decorations that, that are, you know, biggest and brightest on his career resum is that not fair to say, right? You know, many things change, and you can look at I think I said this to you in, in a different conversation, you can look at any championship run to in end you look at it and you think. That was really lucky. Yeah. Absolutely. That happened. You know you get you get plays like that. Where? You know, the are inexplicable drops. There are overthrows you know, how many times has Tony Romo in a practice completed that pass two mile Austin or how many times has Aaron Ross who was the cornerback in coverage there, you know, lined up in the slot and gotten the jam on a receiver. I mean I watched the clip that you put together for that. And Aaron Ross completely completely with. Yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? I could play cornerback like that. It you know, it's crazy. Right. I mean you can you know, you can do a what if what if Russell Wilson doesn't throw it amalgam you can go all day long. What if in that what if you know in in, in a jets game that you're what if Victor Cruz doesn't go ninety nine yards on Ed? That was Christmas Eve of that correctly, that was those that was that was after the game we're talking about, and I remember watching that at my grandmother's house because it was Christmas. And every Cowboys fan was rooting against the giants because they were narrowing the race because of the fact that the Cowboys had lost the game to expire, it's fascinating to me to, to look at this, and it's in the spirit of this week. What if I'll ask you this a non Cowboys non giants part of it? Because you're right. That was a, I would argue that was a more magical run than four years prior. And it's hard to say that because they beat the undefeated patriots in two thousand seven but in two thousand eleven they go through the falcons in the wildcard round. No big deal. But then they take out the Packers. The fifteen in one Packer. In Aaron Rodgers MVP season. And then they go to San Francisco in that's still the old candlestick. And they beat the forty Niners in Alex Smith's return to prominence in Jim Harbaugh first year there. And there was even I forget, who it was. But the forty Niners return man when the ball grazed his knee. I mean that game wasn't credible. And so then obviously there's the Mario Manningham play in so many things in the Super Bowl so who wins the Super Bowl if it's not the campus. And I know every college fans going to get upset with me, but the Cowboys are not running through those teams. What who do you think it is into your the best of your guest who wins that salt? I'm glad you said that not me as I really don't want your readers coming over to big blue view in hammering me for that one, you know, but. You're, you're right. That was the that was the fifteen in one year for the Packers. Right. And Rogers one MVP crazy. I, I have to think that everybody on the planet thought that that was going to be a Packers Super Bowl season. You know, and, and, and it's funny because, you know, but this is the great thing about sports, you just never know what's going to happen till the games are played. I would as of said, I would make the argument that, that the giants won two Super Bowls when they clearly were not the best team in the NFL. But that is the way that is the way sport. Are so often. Team a minute. It happens IMB doesn't win and it's you know it's kinda why it's magical. You just can't predicted you know, at at and it is a great what if because I think the giants franchise. The giants franchise without a Super Bowl title that year might be much different because I think they might have made some different decisions, you know, just in terms of who was in charge, right? Yeah. If you don't have that, you know, I also think you could argue so many franchises would be different off of that. And that's why you can find a lot of great. What if spent I don't know that many touch as many teams as this one because if miles catches that ball, the giants are potentially very different. Maybe Tom Coughlin. Never goes back to Jacksonville because, you know, there's a big difference between two times to winning head coach manning front office and a one time SuperBowl winning head coach men, an office his previous, you know, ties Jacksonville aside I do think that Green Bay certainly gets passed a divisional. And if the giants aren't there to take them out, and then I think we get, you know, because you, you also remember that was the playoffs where we got that incredible. Forty Niners saints game. The Vernon Davis performance for the ages. I think we get a an Alex Smith Aaron Rodgers NFC championship game, and that would have been obviously the first, you know, the two quarterbacks in the five drab everybody would have had fun with that. And then, you know, maybe university of Michigan football's different because if Jim Harbaugh's forty Niners beat the patriots in the Super Bowl. I mean who knows if Jim, maybe his still the koshen San Francisco. I mean you know there are so many careers in legacies that are on the line. What if the patriots when that Super Bowl Tom Brady gets his fourth much earlier? I mean, it's west Welker ends up with one that Welker Welker most infamous plays that missed catch in that Super Bowl. If that never happens. Maybe he's more beloved. I mean, there's a lot of west look at this so fascinating. The last thing from giants perspective about this and talked about, Jerry Reese, and we talked about Tom Coughlin. And, and, you know, people from the outside have poked fun at the giants for for continuing to ride with the lie. Manning sa- grip point. And. I have made the point previously the last couple of years. I, I completely understood a year ago, staying with align manning completely understood that because, you know, basically, if you looked at the market, what real choice did they have in again this year? If you looked at the market, Nick foles was never a possibility. It wasn't going to happen. And, and if you wanna tell me, you know, tyrod Taylor was a better option than Eli manning. You go right ahead and tell me that. And I might laugh for the next six weeks. All right. You know, I hope you're on but I get why he still there. But where I'm going is, if he doesn't win that second Super Bowl, I have made the case that if the if the giants were going to sweep Tom Coughlin out after. Two thousand fifteen I have made the case that that was the perfect time for them to make a clean break from the coach from the era in general, and from the quarterback, and it would have been easier to do at that point in time, if Eli didn't have the second Super Bowl, I don't think there would be the allegiance to him the of for him that there is still to this day inside in nineteen twenty five giant strive, which is the address of civility and it just, you know, for me, I wonder, you know, I just could've for me at that point in time, it just would have made sense, and I think it would have been easier without the second title. I agree with you. And I think you know, the, the truth is, and I'm sure you feel more passionate about this than I do, but allies, probably going to the hall of fame and you. If you can win two Super Bowls and have a mediocre outside of that not saying that's the case with, but that is the perception by a lot of people. But if you can, if you could choose to Super Bowls to win you would wanna win the two. He won. You know what I mean? Like he wanted his too bad ass Super Bowls. He beat Tom Brady. You know, up until Nick foles he was he was Tom Brady's kryptonite in, you know, winning that second one to a lot of people like us Cowboys fans, you know, you could you could chop up the seven one and say, okay, look they got lucky one year one day, you know, they managed to pull it off cool, but that was it. But then, when they did it again, you know, the, the, the arguments against him became a lot more hollow, and so- allies legacy as a whole, I think, is a lot different because he goes from being. Yes, he has this miraculously one time when he still has David Tyree plan everything. But if you doesn't have that second one specifically that second one against the New England Patriots. Again, you know it's, it's just a different were. World. I think that's really fascinating. And it is so interesting to me, how you can trace it all back to miles Austin. You know, I I hadn't really made that connection. But it's, it's an interesting one. And, you know, when you lie retire someday, you know, we could we could do hours or of show on ally manning in the hall of fame and, and we're going to have to do that some day, but yet I don't wanna get into that. I hope he does make the hall of fame. I I'm fascinated. I'm going to be fascinated by that whole debate. And by how long it takes for him to get in if and when he does get in. But, but yeah, this is this is this is a fascinating topic. And it's amazing how how one little turn of events can can create, you know, so many Domino's. Right. And it's not just what if team x one that game because you could say that for so many things, but this is this is one catch. And I sent it to you mentioned it you watched it. That's very catchable ball from. Miles you know it's not like you know it's so far out of his region. And you said it best, you know, they've probably hooked up at the time it hopes up like that, you know, hundreds of times, in practice, in camps in so many people, you know, are probably said as listening people swear that miles lost that ball in the lights of the stadium in it's just it's kinda crazy. I think Eli in maybe Jerry Reese. Oh, oh, miles Austin, basket or something? I mean you know that it's, it's funny because people will make the argument that Tony Romo was was probably a more talented player some ways than Eli manning. And yet, I think about the fact that ally, Manning's career is defined by those two magical runs. And by those two things that he actually accomplished. And in from the outside, you think of Tony romo's career despite the brilliance. What you think of our all of the things he almost did all of the things where he fell just short. It's, it's the tragedy of sports. I mean you mentioned that there's magic and there's tragedy. But thanks, thanks for walking down. You mentioned you hadn't thought of it. I've thought about it a lot because that was a really horrible day from the. So you know what it is? And big blue view dot com. What else work and we find your give us all the details. Please, as Witter course at big blue view on Twitter. Big underscore Blu underscore view on Instagram on our Facebook page, all those good things that I have other people to manage, so that I don't have to worry about them. Well, appreciate it. Appreciate the time. Actually, check out the big blue view podcast as well. You guys do a great job again, that's been Asian family, those strong, and you mentioned that we get along. And I'm happy for that. There is though those two days every year or just we're not as close pals. And that's that is this is true. This is true. You know, but, but I would hope that, you know, whenever either one of our teams is playing the eagles that, that we can bond a little bit. That's right. We have four -tunities every year to really just, you know, be some potty go. Thanks a lot, man. We'll talk have. Rescue. Shadow once again, to Ed Valentine managing editor over a big dot com for going down memory lane with us. I can't believe that game was eight years ago, you know, Ed and talking about. And he asked me was that the same season that Jason Garrett iced than Bailey. I forgot that even happened if I'm being honest. I mean, eight years ago is a long time and sometimes I like to measure time like this. So the two thousand seven season was was eight years ago. Right. And that doesn't feel like that long ago two thousand three was eight years ago at that time and two thousand three and two thousand eleven felt like forever ago. But who knows look, we got more what is coming to this week? Hopefully you're enjoying them. Hopefully you're having a great rest of your week. 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BGN Radio Special: Big Blue View Joint Show
"They. Hi, this is Jim chica- our podcast step over will be ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs. Says game breakdowns with a course in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcasts heathen, I tune Stitcher sparked by or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. Welcome into a special radio. Brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed say, it's a special episode. Because today we have a chat for you between myself and Valentine from big blue view to help us set up this upcoming Philadelphia Eagles New York Giants matchup. This was a joint show. So he'll be airing this as well on his podcast network aptly, titled big blue view, I encourage you to check them out if you wanna keep tabs on what's going on with the New York Giants. But for now, we'll get you started on the transition to this week twelve game with our conversation and next up on bleeding green nation podcast. You'll be hearing for myself and Mark Scofield as we take an in depth look at ally Manning's game as we do for every enemy quarterback each week on the QB SCO show. So keep an eye out for that before we get to this conversation would be just a quick reminder that ratings and reviews really helped new people find the show. So if you like an enjoy what we're doing here at bleeding green. Nation and want to help more people. Discover the show please leave a five star rating and a written review on apple podcasts, if they're funny or especially complimentary of me, and Ben especially me, and Ben will probably read them soon on the kissing so lecturer so get those in get a shout out from us and help us out. We really do. Appreciate it. Okay. Enough of that. Let's kick it over to my conversation with Ed Valentine from big blue view dot com. So Ed how you doing brother? It's been awhile since we spoke good, Michael good. How are you not doing too great as you know, things in Philadelphia aren't fantastic. Our offensive coordinator has lit the world on fire by basically, stating his inability to get golden Tate involved in the offense and the offense going seven points against New Orleans. Saints us not too not too. Great here. Philadelphia that you guys your offense is doing much better. The it's kind of amazing. It's a relative places. It not. I mean, the eagles are the eagles are still four and six as bad as things are. And the giants are are three and seven, and and it feels like they're top of the world right now because they've won two weeks in a row. So it's a it's a relative world. I guess -solutely. Yeah. We're gonna preview this for listeners of both shows. We're going to have this up on our respective podcasts. Feeds and everything like that. But we just wanted to have a conversation about this game. And so if the formats little bit, we're no one's really hosting it. We're just kind of bouncing things back and forth. Each other. I wanted to hit you up with with a major question. I though about the quarterback play for the New York Giants and quarterbacks on the year against the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers have combined for a seventy four point seven completion rate twenty five touchdowns one interceptions and a quarterback rating of one twenty four point nine marks. Go field that big blue view actually brought that to my attention. So those numbers are like worthy of MVP consideration. And I don't think it's a secret that Tampa Bay buccaneer secondary not a like the eagles secondary right now. So this may not even matter, but that they're they're a little bit beat up fielding not a complete team that said you still have to execute and ally manning did that against the buccaneers seven for eighteen two hundred thirty one yards two touchdowns zero interceptions and one fifty five point eight quarterback rating. That is a single game highest since October eleven two thousand nine in a game where he only through ten passes against the Oakland Raiders. So that makes three in the last four games where he is at a quarterback rating over one hundred after going five of six games under before that. So the question is Ed is all of this Mirage or he has has taken a significant stride forward in his play this year that is sustainable over the long term. Well, I I mean can we rent the Tampa Bay defense and have the giants play against every week? Can can we do that? Nice. If we could do that for our startling offense seven points to stream the Tim Bay Buccaneers defensive amazing. Well, let's let's put it this way. The big obviously, ally manning and his future and how much longer his tenure with the giants is going to last is a big big question. A lot of giants fans to be honest have been done with ally for a while now. But when I look at this giants team specially what we've seen the last two weeks. And even if you go back to I think it was week three when the giants beat the the Houston Texans. Ally was twenty five of twenty nine in net game the giants scored twenty seven points. He led a fourth quarter comeback in net game. What I think we've seen especially the last two weeks when the giants have really begun to to get their offensive line straightened out a little bit. Is we're beginning to see what the giants kind of drew up in the off season what they hoped to create. They hope to create a situation when they drafted sa- Kwan Barclay, first and foremost where they would be able to run the football and on Sunday against the buccaneers. They ran the football very efficiently. Barclays given them big plays here near all year. But if you use the the advanced metrics giants were the least officiant running team in football going into Sunday. And yet they ran the ball straight ahead. They didn't have negative place. They were able to get what they wanted and what they needed on the ground. The other part of that is protecting you lion. Yes. He he was sacked four times. But when he wasn't sect over the last two weeks that pocket was often cleaned. He was able to stand there and survey the fee. Field and look and make the reads that he wanted to make he wasn't simply checking the ball down and getting rid of it as quickly as he could to avoid sex for me. This is what the giants drew up what they hoped to see that situation where they'd be able to run the football. And then have Eli be able to serve a and look at the weapons that he has in the passing game with Barclay who's a tremendous pass receiver may be better receiver than he is a runner Odal Beckham and Graham, sterling shepherd, and then you have ANSA Leary receivers like like Rhett Ellison. And it's that kind of situation where you look at that. And you look, okay. You're veteran quarterback you protect him. He'll find the mismatch. Is it sustainable for me? I think that's what we find out. What the giants over the second half of the season. And I have made the case in and I'm kind of going on and on here. A little bit of made the case at big blue view with the lie. We've been talking about for eleven years no ever since I started at big blue view. So so I can go on forever. But but just say this I made the case that if he plays. Well, if the giants make progress on offense in the second half of the year he has a contract for next season. You're probably not going into week one with a rookie starting quarterback. You're probably going into next season with a placeholder if he plays. Well, the next six games or however. Long. He's in the lineup before they may be take a look at Kyle Letta. Why can't he be the the quote unquote placeholder quarterback next season the mentor for whoever they bring in if they're having success on offense and making progress? I don't know why they would be in a rush to move on. And you made some interesting points there because a stat I have for you pro football focus does their offensive line pass blocking efficiency metric for the season. The giants ranked twenty eighth tied for twenty eighth in the league for pass blocking efficiency in the last three weeks. However, they rank eleventh if you isolate those three weeks and what I saw against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was really impressive. You're able to run the ball effectively on early downs. And then they were able to utilize play action from those condense splits those reduced from the wide receivers really opened up the field for your weapons now with Odell Beckham the eagles will likely counter by doing what they did to Dell when they last met which is. Is going to be what's called the cone bracket. So you're gonna have a defensive back with outside leverage up close to the line on him. He'll play a trail technique, and then you're gonna have a safety deeper and to the inside. And that really limited what Dell could do against the eagles in the first matchup with that. Being the case. I think you guys just got Ingram BAC and sterling Shepard mates mates in place. But who do you who would you expect to if the eagles are able to do that to Beckham who would you expect to have a big game for the giants in the passing game? Because I did see you guys opened up a little bit more with Barkley, and I still have to look at more. But you know, we didn't really see him on wheel routes early on the season. I chart like his first thirty five receptions, not one of them was a wheel. It was like eighty seven percent. Check down stuff flat routes curl routes swing route stuff like that. A so who goes off in the passing game for the giants. If the eagles jump in all those resources stopping Dell like they did last time. Oh, I think the two guys who. You mentioned Michael suk-won Barkley in Evans Ingraham are actually keys to that. And you're absolutely right. The the amazing frustrating crazy part of when you look at suk-won Barclays pass catching numbers is the fact that that he's caught a ton of passes. I think it's sixty two passes. I don't have it in front of me. But it's awful. He he's caught all of these passes. And until the last two weeks. It was almost all checked down. It was almost all behind the line of scrimmage dump off kind of stuff. But in the last two games in the game winning drive against San Francisco. We saw a wheel route for a big play. We saw an angle route that put them down in the red zone. With seeing the giants do the kinds of things that I watched in training camp in the preseason that they were trying to set up where they were using him as a weapon any other thing is on Sunday against Tampa Bay when they needed a play Evans Ingraham has not been playing as many snaps, but when they needed a play at the end of the game. What did they draw up? They drew up a play action pass where they slid Evanston grim passed a linebacker. Down the middle of the field where he can use his speed just to out run these guys. And and that's the kind of thing that we just haven't seen enough from the giants. And I think, you know, those kinds of things are your answer to this this bracket coverage, you know, it was one of the reasons they drafted Ingram. A couple of years ago was to be a weapon against this type of defense. And we haven't seen it enough. But now, I think if if the protection holds up they have enough weapons that they should be able to to attack that kind of defense, you know, as I said, provided that ally has the time to identify the mismatch and figure out where the ball needs to go ancestors because we're gonna talk a lot about the last match up in how it translates to this one. But I feel like these teams are on two completely different trajectories with how they are playing. The giants. Of sort of figure things out and they've gotten things rolling on offense. The eagles offense was stifled for two consecutive weeks. Coming off a bye can't figure out how to use gold titan affective manner with their other weapons there. It's been an issue for them. Carson Wentz coming off his worst game as a pro juxtaposed to alive man in coming off his highest rated quarterback in game in in about nine years. So definitely two different teams than what we saw last time that they played. However, I will say, you know, the the giants defense is still something that I think the eagles should be able to exploit on paper. You know? That's why they play the games. So the giants have in allowed a team under twenty points this year. And I look at this linebacking corps and UCLA about algal tree BJ. Goodson guys it I think in really be exploited in coverage. And then you look at the secondary in one guy that stands out for me on type in you. Tell me if you agree with this. But a guy that the eagles can attack. Jack and the bugs kinda picked on. Especially in the first half was BWI the outside corner there what I be right in that assessment as one of their major weak spots in the secondaries or something that I'm missing there as well. Just by not having not seen enough yet. Well, I think that the interesting thing about the secondary be w Webb is pretty much a journeyman type player. The giants brought him in to compete, basically as roster depth to perhaps be their slot corner. When they traded ally apple to the New Orleans Saints BW, web moved to the outside. I do not think that BW web is any sort of a long-term answer out there. He's done. An adequate job made an interception at the end of the game Neo the day. But he's he's not a shutdown guy. He's he's probably in an ideal situation. He's your third or four. Corner. But the giants just don't have that ideal situation right now that neither neither the eagles to be honest with you see all the injuries going on with us. You know, the other thing I'll say the giants drafted Sam Bill in the supplemental draft, which was really a two thousand nineteen type of pick. They picked up Tony lip it out of off of free agency a few weeks ago, but he's coming back from an achilles injury. And I think he's probably more of a two thousand nineteen projection. So they know they have worked to do in that secondary. And they're there. I look at that defense right now on I think they're just trying to get by that that makes a lot of signs because the depth is definitely not there in the DEP was something that concerned me coming into the season with the giants. And it certainly has reared reared. It said like you said your move on from apple I I didn't think he was gonna pay out as the starter. Anyway. So then it forces you to make other moves, and it does remind me of what's going on with the ego. Secondary. 'cause you have guys playing out of position. I mean, we have a fourth round nickel corner was supposed to be Avantis Matic's playing as the starting safety for us. And we've gotten to the point where we've activated in our giving significant playing time two Cornerbacks. Devante Bosley who couldn't make the team in the offseason, you know, safety. Trae Sullivan, cornerback in Sullivan, and those guys have been really key for us. We just got back Sidney Jones from a hamstring injury. Jalen mills is dealing with a foot. Ronald Darby is down for the year with ACL Malcolm Jenkins has really been the only consistent in that secondary forest. So I do worry about the matchup in the passing game with the guys that you mentioned was shepherd with Evan Ingram with all of the weapons that you guys have. And you guys finally figuring out how to use saquon Barkley in the passing game is definitely gotta be huge. But as far as the eagles run defense, they were solid coming in to the saints game there there one of the better units in the league in what you look at what? The giants have been able to do well again, especially against you know, you look at the bucks. And you know, the eagles are better run defense in the bucks. But they also have a problem with their second DT spot next to Fletcher Cox, you got guys like TY McGill in there. Because a lot of Alati note. I can't not I can't stay healthy. Timmy, Jernigan is still been out for a while. So yeah, I do worry about getting gashed up a little up the middle of little bit that defensive line rotation isn't as robust as it has been. So that's something that I think that the giants can definitely take advantage of is is the run game in that work in the playoffs off of it. And you don't necessarily need the run game to bump to work the play action. But it certainly does help in both or bump in. That's for sure shirt. Does you know, it's interesting that that you talk about that defense because I'm thinking back to the first matchup end in the secondary is something that I thought at that point in time that the giants were going to be able to take advantage of. And obviously that just didn't happen. But you know, I need to ask you something about this eagle team a new when the eagles and giants played the first time, I think it was week six I thought the giants might have an opportunity there because the eagles were struggling a little bit. But the reality of it was I think the giants were a little shell shocked coming into that game. They had just gotten beaten four days prior by Carolina on a sixty three yard game in field goal, which is which is kind of familiar. You know? You know, I don't know what it is about the giants in game ending sixty plus yard field goals. But but you should feel good. When you see the other team lineup for those. But you know, when you're the giants, you kinda cringe at this point is like no can we kick it from fifty. Can we move it to an extra point? Maybe I don't know. But but here's the thing that game was a lopsided thirty four to thirteen game. That was probably not even that close. And I looked at it. And I had always thought. Okay. The eagles are the defending Super Bowl champion sooner or later. Hopefully later, we're going to see them begin to actually look like the defending Super Bowl champion. And I thought from that game forward that that might be what happened, but it obviously hasn't happened. So I mean, the the very. Simple. Basic question is at the bottom of it is what the heck is going on. You know, it's interesting. There's a lot of different theories being thrown around as you say that the giants win. I think that that's when everybody on our side. Okay. They figured it out put together a complete sixty minute game, which they hadn't done all year. And then they come out against the Carolina Panthers. And they dominate them for three quarters. And then they let them back into a game and lose twenty one to seventeen after being up seventeen nothing. And then they get they play the Jacksonville Jaguars tight. And then they come out lay stinger gets Dallas Cowboys team. Just feels like a team that wasn't ready for the season to start. They weren't ready for the two thousand seventeen season to end which made them late when it came to the two thousand eighteen season. And that's you know, I in certain circumstances. That's fine. As long as you get things rolling a little bit of a late start with a team that was banged up. Like the eagles were Nick foles a quarterback that really didn't concern us too. Much. But you know, right now, we just haven't been able to find a rhythm whatsoever. Teams are giving us their best punch weekend week out and were flat. And you know, we're at talented team still even all the injuries in the secondary and whatnot. It hasn't been that all season. But you know, we've been our offense can't get rolling in pretty much, you know, at full strength for the most part. We even traded for a guy like golden Tate. So yeah. And you know, you look at things like you can criticize Doug Peterson for his book tour in the off season guys like Bill checked onto that in everything that was said in the off season. You know, the eagles have fun. And you know, the lane Johnson said that in and whatnot. It's all kind of coming back to haunt us now, and it really does feel like this this team. Just never started the two thousand eighteen season in time. And that's been a major thing for us. We are not hustling teams, we are not playing teams. We aren't having fun on the field. That's for sure we saw the New Orleans Saints up. You know, beating are. By forty one points, dancing, all over the place and whatnot. I don't take any umbrage with that. Because the eagles were doing exactly that last year. I just hate that. It's flipped around to that point. Where now we're the team, you know, getting beat up like that when we're better team than that. So yeah, it is. It is frustrating and you start to lose faith at some point. You can't say anymore. Okay. This is the game where they get it together. This is the game or the offense starts rolling because they haven't shown that they can put together sixty minutes. Only one time against the giants. And it's just it's gotten worse from there. So yeah, I mean, I think that's a that's a very valid point. They aren't playing the defending Super Bowl champions. It's interesting because it was a long time ago now, but I can remember feeling the same way about the giants after the two thousand eleven season to be honest with you. They won you know, they win the Super Bowl that year. And then they come back the next the next year, and they weren't awful, but they just didn't play like the defending Super Bowl champions that have it. They were expecting that that magic that happened the year before to happen again just because it did. And it's not a light source said, no, it's not a light. Switch and the amazing thing is in two thousand twelve the giants finish with the same overall record that they did in two thousand eleven and that time it wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. Yeah. Because they that year. That's right. And they had to go on the road to get to the Super Bowl. You'll have to put it together relate. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. One year. Just because it happened the year prior. And and maybe that's a little bit of what you're going. Through in in Philly and part of it to from from week to week we were dealing with a rolling wave of injuries. And I'm not using that as an excuse. But it's part is it's part of the equation. And the eagles had the same thing. A lot of the same thing last year. They ranked low in just two games lost and everything, but you know, as they went from week to week and they lost guy like Jason Peters. And they lost the guy like Jordan Hicks was a guy like Darren sproles. It didn't impact us as much because we just kept winning this team is suffering the same amount of injuries and more, and they are just not rolling through it. It seems like they're just stuck in mud and this. I think whatever message Doug Peterson is sending to the team. And I know he's gotta keep hammering at home until it hits home is just not resonating with the team right now. And I can't tell you why that is I'm not in the building. But I can tell you that. This is definitely not the same team with the same Agic with the same effort the same accountability than it was last year. And that's at sucks to see. Because you get a quarterback that's young. And you have that window. Or you can spend some money because his on that rookie contract. And you're just not able to put together a season that's playoff worthy in that window. Let me let me ask you this Michael one of the things that happens when a team reaches the top of the mountain like the eagles did. And you have you know, young up and coming assistant coaches is that your staff gets raided. Did we did we all under estimate or just sort of? Look past the the idea that the that the eagles lost Frank Reich to the colts in John D Filipo to the Vikings. And and not really recognized that that those losses were going to have an impact to the eagles on the field. Yeah. I think when you look back on it now in we certainly we didn't feel this way at the time. But we did kind of fear it, and, you know, hiring those internal candidates. I'm not sure if they looked outside of that. But the different definitely didn't announce promoted from within didn't make a whole lot of noise about it. But you know, Frank Reich is doing a bang-up job in Indianapolis. And he's doing a fantastic job to with with Andrew lock in flying to his strengths. And they don't have a whole lot of playmakers. Everybody's making it work. They've got a running back by committee. They use a lot of two tight end sets like the eagles like like to do you see a lot of the similar concepts execution has better the protecting. Andrew luck much better via their designs which the eagles are not doing for Carson Wentz right now. And you look at what? John de Filippo had a fantastic relationship with Carson Wentz. And you wonder if that element the Carson sitting down with John Filipo in the film room and them ironing out things 'cause defo's a brilliant. Dude. You know, if if that's there's a disconnect with him in groceries just not the guy that Defilipo is. So that certainly coming into focus right now for the fan base. I've already mentioned grow a few times now. But then also the information being disseminated to Doug Peterson might not be on the same level that it was last year in that, you know, that kind of everything on that front too. Yeah. I think that wasn't underrated aspect in the off season that we were probably quietly concerned about and it's really starting to become the focus of what people are looking at right now. I guess the other thing that that we have to talk about is, you know, as we record this. It's Tuesday a couple of days before thanksgiving, and you know, neither one of our teams has winning record at this point. And yet we're ten games in and yet, it's not time to pack it in for either one of us. I mean, I don't know about you. But if you're if you're a giants fan, I mean, thank God, you're team plays in the NFC east. Yeah. Big time, and Alex Smith goes down with that gruesome injury, which is which is terrible thirty three years to the day from win to these men went down, which is so bizarre. And you know, all of a sudden wiring that creepy to that thighs men was in this was in the stadium Sunday to for that game. It was like the same yard line to like there's so many different weird parallels to that. It's it's fascinating. But yet you feel awful for Alex Smith, but you know, their offense was decimated before that. Now, Alex Smith goes down in everything is absolutely wide open, and the and you may feel a little bit better than I do right now. Because like I said, you know, the trending different ways. But one game could definitely change that the doors definitely opened for the Dallas Cowboys right now because they have been trending up since the acquisition of Amari Cooper. And they've started to figure out, you know, figure out things on offense and put some winds together. Which is big for them. But yeah, it's definitely not over for either team. What what matters for this game? Is you know, the eagles have to get back on track. And the giants have to just continue what they've been doing for the last couple of weeks. So with that. And I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna throw the throw the line out for you. And I I wanna I want you to make a prediction will kind of go from there. But the eagles are favored by six points right now with over under at forty six points. So we're playing so they're playing in Philadelphia. The giants are on the replying for that alpha. What do you think do the giants cover do they win? What's your prediction for this game? I will definitely Michael I will definitely take the giants to cover and as much as I I want to believe that they can go into Philadelphia at n win this game. I don't think I could actually objectively pick them to do it at this point. I just don't think that I. Can because in the back of my mind. You know, it comes back to the eagles are still the defending Super Bowl champions. If you go position by position up and down the fifty three man roster. They're going to be a better more talented fifty three men roster than what the giants put together at this point. The giants are making progress in a huge part of that progress a huge part of taking a step forward in becoming a good football team would be to go into Philadelphia in win a game like this. I just can't. I think it's possible. Oh, yeah. I just can't if if I was going to put money on the game. I just can't put money on the giants doing it. So I think you'll see a lot of good things out of the giants. I think you'll see a competitive football game. I just. Can't pick them to win it. I mean that that's fair. And you figure it's closer than a lot of people might think just on the surface. I will concede that. And I appreciate the honesty. I think you know, the giants definitely have a path to win this game in it comes to their playmakers. If they can saquon Barkley is is good for a crazy Ron or or catch per game. If he can put a couple of those together if Dell takes a slant to the house or just straight up beats one of our dues, which is totally possible. They can definitely put points on the board. And then it becomes a question of can the eagles offense right now that is struggling but has weapons can they put together a complete game in keep pace if it becomes a boat race. So I will say, you know, with these defenses right now, I'm gonna put some faith in the eagles offense. And I'm also going to put some faith in the giants defense to able to score on this banged up. Secondary put it at thirty one twenty seven I'll say that the giants cover. But like you said there is definitely a path for the for the giants to win. It's gonna be a tough hard heart. Fought divisional game. I don't see it being the type of blow out that it was last time for sure man, I think that pretty much covers anything that. You wanted to ask me about this game or talk about or? No, I think we covered most of it. I'm looking forward to it. You know last year. I was last year. I was able to be in Philly for that game. Which was my first time at the link in that was a crazy experience. I really didn't need to experience losing a game on a sixty one yard field goal in Philly. But you know, but I don't know. But so this year, I'm not going to subject myself to that. I'm going to stay home. That sounds good. That sounds like a plan at man, it's always a pleasure talking with all talk to again soon. Okay. All right. Take care. Hey, guys. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: CBA update, free agency chat with Newsday's Bob Glauber
"Turbo tax believes that with the right tools and encouragement. People can be good at anything and yes that includes taxes Dan to help people feel more comfortable with the tax process. Turbotax live it gives you access to experience. Ppa's and Ace who are happy to review your return line by line to make sure your taxes are done right and that you get your best possible refund turbo tax. All people are tax people. Hello giant fans and welcome to a new addition of Valentine's five here on the radio. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. And we're rolling along here in the off season closing in on free agency which starts next week and we also have the voting by the players right now on the newly proposed collective bargaining agreement. That is not something. We have covered a whole lot at big blue view. I thought while that voting was ongoing thought we would take the the opportunity here on the Valentine's US podcast to to discuss the. Cba A little bit and here to help try to understand what's going on with that. Is Bob Glauber of Newsday? Bob Thank you very much for joining the show. Glad to be here. Thank you for having me. Hey No problem always enjoy having you so listen. We know that right now the the players are voting on the CBA. And I believed that voting lasts. We're we're recording on Monday for our Tuesday morning. Podcast that voting lasts. I believe until Thursday and my correct. Yes that is correct they they will announce the vote on Thursday. And I believe if if I'm not mistaken it's a simple majority of however many players vote that will decide whether it's a yes or no correct at as in it doesn't have to be fifty. You know the percent plus one of the nineteen hundred overall players. It's fifty just just over fifty percent of everyone who votes so that could be a lower number you know if two hundred people vote And one hundred one people vote in favour. It's past even though two hundred of one thousand nine hundred is not many players but that that is the how the rules go just like the general election. Bob We don't WanNa hear it but I eat if you don't vote you don't like the result. Don't WanNa hear your complaint correct and that's you know a lot of players say that I think the voting will be fairly active I'm not I C. I can't predict a percentage but you know this is. This is an eleven year deal so a lot of stake here definitely a lot at stake. And I suppose the you know the overriding question. Getting right to the point is what's your. What's your instinct that this point is this? Is it going to pass or is it going to fail? And I think it's going to pass I couldn't tell you. A percentage of how it would pass so. I can't tell you whether it's GonNa be landslide or not but I do think it's going to pass for a couple of reasons you start with what's happening in the economy over the last week really since. They negotiated terms and finalize terms of this deal. The economy stock market. Weiss has tanked so I think players look at that and say well we? We got a pretty good deal based off of a contract that was negotiated when the when the economy was humming along and there were no interruptions like we're seeing now And number two. Is this deal really does benefit the middle and lower classes if you will of the NFL. It really benefits the minimum salary. Guys it gives them immediate one hundred thousand dollars a year boost in their salaries and and that means a lot to a lot of players. I didn't realize until demorris Smith was talking to a couple writers outside his meeting at the combine several days ago and he said you know sixty percent of our membership. Is these minimum guys. I'm like wow I mean I knew the League got younger but man that's really an astounding number when you think about it because you think of all the stars in a league. Jj Watt Russell. Wilson Aaron Rodgers You know the the highly paid guys. Tom Brady drew brees. You know there are a lot of highly paid guys but there are many more who are just not at that upper end of the salary scale and that I think if those players vote than vote not might not even be close because they far outnumber the players making the huge dollars. It's interesting because we talk about second contract and I I don't know what the percentage of second contract guys is in the League but you know hearing that number. I would assume that it's pretty low. Yeah I do I mean I think a number of players look if you're good in this in this league you're going to get sick and contract if you're healthy at the time that it is ready to be negotiated bottom line Much lower odds of getting a third contract. Look great quarterbacks get third and fourth contracts sometimes But the large majority of players I think the best they can hope for is the second contract that a lot of them. Don't even get that far. I mean how many times we've seen players Just in and out of the League after the first contract but again if you're good and valuable you're gonNA stick around and you're GONNA you're GonNa make some decent money But you know really if look at any roster and if you drill down there are many many guys performing very important tasks that are replaced you know year after year and part of that was the way that the CBA was drawn up nine years ago. in the twenty eleven season. And you know way back in the. Nfl was the veteran players who finally got their money on the back end of their careers. Maybe when their efficiency wasn't quite as good but but they were rewarded for being the league for a long time now. There's such a reliance on younger players because it's much more economical for the owners to go with those younger players. The product doesn't really suffer all that much although I think The quality of play. You know certainly leaves something to be desired especially in the early part of seasons because there's so much turnover But the owners have figured out the way to deal with the CBA and much to their advantage financially and that will continue if this if this new deal is passed. And what else is in this? You talked about the hiking in minimum salaries. What else is in s four players? We hear so much talk about the seventeenth game which we know is at the center of this but incentives wise war players. What else is there? That would make them say yes to this. Well there's several things in there. There is a an increase in salaries. And I think that's the that's the biggest thing increase along with the seventeenth game And that will appeal to allow players. That will appeal the players at the lower end because they make money for that seventeenth game at the higher end. You're saying well man. I negotiate all this money and now I gotta play an extra game but you get the one seven six seventeenth of the year's salary for that game but still it's A little bit less of an incentive for highly paid established guys to add that game because they know the drill. It's a long season and now it becomes even longer lots of benefits increases for current and former players. And that's a big deal. The former players will see a pre healthy increase in their pensions and health benefits. And that's a good thing for you know really the League at large and Overall benefits of 401k increase is pension does increase and The penalties for drug infractions is different. It doesn't become as strict as it is in. You know under the terms of the current. Cba and the commissioners power to Handout discipline is a little bit more restricted in this one and that was a big deal member when when Roger Goodell was going after You know players. Who were violating the rules up to and including? Tom Brady a lot was was talked about the Commissioner's power and has been reduced. quite a lot To it goes more toward arbitration and it goes more toward third parties Deciding on disciplinary matters right. He doesn't also. He doesn't also rule on the appeals process. If I if I understand correctly right well he. He has appeal. He has been the judge jury and executioner in a lot of these things where he is the appeal of unless they go to court But yes he will have much less of a role in getting. The being. The Appeals Officer in in a lot of these cases and that was a real big sticking point with players and from the from the ownership side. Obviously they want the seventeenth game. They want the reduced pre-season Other than other than the seventeenth game. What is there on the owner side? That makes them. That would make them want this deal. Well the one big thing on the owners that they want Labor stability And Labor continuity in large part to negotiate new television contracts. And that will be coming up pretty shortly. They don't have to have labor stability because they've done that in the past. Yeah there were. There were two strikes in the nineteen eighties And you know the leagues still manage to grow quite handsomely And there been other work stoppages and you know the lockout in Twenty Eleven. They still got good good. Tv contracts on the other end so they but they're a much better position to negotiate with the networks because they would have another eleven years of labor peace and that's the main thing for them and it's also you know the structure of the deal for the owners. They want to know they want. You know clarity. And they want stability and they want to know what their costs are going to be for the players moving forward and they can have that over a very long period of time. And if you think about that if this deal does get done there'd be twenty straight years in this deal essentially with some improvements for sure but twenty straight years of this deal Which is something. I don't think we've ever seen in terms of labor peace in any sport And you know it's been you go back to the days of Paul Tagliabue when he and gene upshaw creed this current. Cba in the model for it and it goes back to nineteen ninety-three so we've really seen an unprecedented era of labor peace overall. You know you have these these moments where it. Kinda looks like. You might come. Unraveled like the the lockout in two thousand eleven but they missed one. Preseason game that year. They've never missed a regular season game Cincinnati nine hundred eighty seven strike and after that there were court cases that the players one and that set the stage for free to see and and the system. We basically see today all right so I want to ask you to more. Cba related questions if it passes this week. Are we going to see an immediate difference? Maybe in how the off season this particular off season with free agency and all of that coming up. We're not going to see any differences in how that unfolds. Yeah I think you would see just less participation in less requirements of the players in the off season. That's a big sticking point for them not a sticking point really because they they did win a lot of concessions in the last. Cpa ABOUT REDUCED NUMBER OF PRACTICES REDUCED NUMBER OF OTA practices reduced number of conditioning Days in the off season. So I think you'll see a little bit of that but I don't think I don't think it will change markedly and you know the question. I think you will see The the added playoff teams as early as this season. You won't see the seventeenth game until at least twenty twenty one that that will not happen this year and it probably would happen next year and moving forward and you know the flipside of that is. Where do we go from here? If the if the vote fails well to vote fails The owners have told the players what we're going to abide by the terms of the deal that that does run through the twenty twenty season. I think after that you would see more negotiations and you'll see negotiations even now There's a much more harmonious relationship behind the scenes with the players and the owners Damore Smith and Roger Goodell Are Much more willing to talk behind the scenes quietly member. Smith was very outspoken against the commissioner during the negotiations. Twenty eleven. But it's just not that way anymore so there is much more communication so they would negotiate up to and including you know the the end of the season upcoming if this current deal fails and they try it again and the owners would most likely impose another lockout and they kind of be back to square one little bit but it's it's not quite square one because they have basically agreed on a lot of the terms that would be presented in a CBA proposal next year But the players is certainly try to get that pot Sweden. If a deal is voted down this this week. All Right Bob. Let's take a little break here. For a word from our espy nation. Sponsors will come back and we'll actually turn the focus to the giants a little bit and to the upcoming Free Agency. Period sounds good. Oh this is Jesse David. I'm a senior editor at vulture. And I hope the PODCAST. Good one eight about trump's. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week. I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or Director. 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I think what I'll do is I'll throw some names that you they'd have been connected to the giants and see whether you're sort of buying or selling on on whether the giants will or should be interested in these players. I personally I think that most of the giants spending in Free Agency has got to come on the defensive side of the ball. So let's start with the big name that everybody talks about and that would be John Davy and cloudy the only big-name pass rusher whose probably on the market I'm one who's not in favor of spending five years in one hundred ten or one hundred. Twenty million dollars to sign clowney. Where do you stand on the giants and cloudy? Yeah I'm I'm with you. I'm a little bit iffy. Uncloudy just in terms of consistent production you know when he is good and when he's really good it's he's a difference maker. He's game changer. The problem is he just hasn't been that through is entire career with with Houston and then with Seattle. You know there's an unreliability factor that kind of stops me with giving that kind of money in those kinds of resources to a player who really hasn't shown the ability to consistently dominate games. I'm not talking about look you know string in had a had a quiet game every now and then but not too often and you never saw him take plays off and you never saw him eating less than a hundred percent. Max Efficiency and I. I just don't know that you get that with cloudy. The talent is off the charts. Just question about that. But it's just the production. Maybe just doesn't match that talent. So I I I would. I would stay away from if you're getting into a bidding war for for cloudy You know you got some some options in the draft and the X men Should be better next year. Not that he is the the bill on end-all but there are options in the draft And and you have some options on your on your roster and if they manage to sign marcus olden. There's there's a guy who can at least give you some juice in the pass rush. I was actually going to mention Golden. And what's your what's your instinct at this point. I think that golden is going to move on. You know generally when guys when you hear that guys are are going to test the market. Generally they find a better offer you know. Then they're then they're former team is willing to give them. So I my guess would be at this point that that the that Marcus. Golden moves on. How about you yeah. I think you're right there too and I think that Golden He did have a nice year last year. And I think he I don't know about if he overachieved but he he certainly did well Got Double digits and sacks and you're right I if someone's GonNa look at him and say hey you know we can give him more than the giants are willing to give him and again. We get into the debate with the giants that will do. We put our resources into a veteran guy who will probably not be here all that long or you know do we if we can afford him a get him at a at a reasonable price. That's great but if some team is out there really willing to get Marcus. Golden a good pay day and that would that would be the best of golden's career after kind of betting on himself with the giants. Then I don't know if you go chasing that and obviously you know. There's a lot of analytic data right now. That talks about is the front end of the defense. Meaning the pass rush more important than the back end of the defense and folks at pro football focus will try to tell you that coverage is more important than pass rush. Dave gettleman talked about it at the combine. He said basically you know the front helps. The back end back end helps the front end. It all works together. And if you can't Land Geneva clowney if you can't land jahic and I don't even want to try to pronounce his last name from the Jaguars you know if you can't lend chase young in the NFL draft. Then maybe the way to go is to try to add to your secondary and that leads to you know Byron Jones of the Dallas Cowboys. We keep hearing you know we hear that maybe the jets are GonNa are in on Jones. We hear that maybe the eagles are in Une Jones. Would you be willing to to get into the bidding war on Jones and and to give him a big money deal? If you're the giants the answer is yes I I would I think Jones is one of those Cornerbacks that will be worth the money now. He's had some injury problems in Dallas but talent wise and and and reliability wise. That's the word I think he is tremendous and you cannot have enough. Good corners in this league Jack Rabbit is no longer in play and they need a veteran presence there. They've got some some decent young cornerbacks. They need to continue to get more Jones to me. If you're going to spend your money somewhere it should be on the cornerback. Position and he is clearly the top of the market in this year. Free Agency class. So I'd say the answer is yes you try. Try whatever you can to get Jones and I think you know spending big money on free agents. The last time. The giants went big in free agency was before the two thousand sixteen season. It's always a gamble the way I look at Jones. It's probably comforting as well to know that that the guy who's been his head coach for the last few years is on the giants staff right now so. I think the giants are perhaps in a position. Where where they've got good information on this guy. Yes Jason Garrett will pound the table for Byron Jones and four. He has so. I think that is a good Situation to have a player that you know One of your coaches is certainly familiar with him. You know what's going on behind the scenes how much he is devoted to football and In the giants case having Jason Garrett here is benefit when it comes specifically to Byron Jones. Let's turn to to the offensive side of the ball quickly here Bob. If there is one player on the offensive side of the ball that I can see the giants making a big run at it would be Jack. Conklin. The right tackle from the Tennessee. Titans now I know that there are four. Offensive tackles at the top of the of the draft board but I I can see a scenario where you make a run at Jack Conklin and then you use that draft capital at the top. You know to fill other needs to go after an Isaiah Simmons or or something like that to help your defense. What's your thought on the giants and Konkan is a very good player. I think he is worth a a decent amount of money. I don't think he is worth Overpaying for and I think. The giants saw that with nate solar They they overpaid for him and That did not work out to us. Older is still you know with the team and still willing to play wherever he is asked to play and I think he will have a better year. This year said some personal Things going on with this child and hopefully those those are workout. You know this child has had some some cancer issues that the that the family has had to address in solar quietly went about doing that. I have ultimate respect for that guy So again you you should be able to draft better is And not have to spend that money. But you know Dave gettleman has had you know Kinda hits and misses. I think Hernandez is is a good young player and a good example of of drafting well in within reason But you know he's got a hit on more of those Hog mollies and he hasn't been able to do it. So if Dave gettleman in his first three years is spending upwards of sixty million dollars on tackles That's that's really not a good prescription for building your football team. So I like Conklin But you also gotta ask yourself you know why the Tennessee. Titans willing to let them go. It's not that he's bad player but they've made decisions for their own roster that say you know he is not He's not a guy that we absolutely positively have to have. So I think you take that into consideration and you go after him at a reasonable level but if some teams GonNa blow away say thank you very much you know. We'll try to do with the draft or we'll try to do it with Perhaps a lower tier free agent. All Right Bob. Hey always appreciate your time always appreciate having you come on the show. Why don't you tell folks where they can where they can find you on twitter and what What you might have in the hopper here coming up in the next couple of weeks well I. I'm on twitter at at Bob Glauber. Vob G. L. E. E. R. Combined time love to tweet and love to to interact Next couple weeks at I will be doing what you'll be doing. Follow Free Agency and seeing seeing what? The heck happens with a really important off season. I tell you what League wise won't affect the giants because Daniel Jones's there but quarterbacks are going be they're gonNA be hopping in free agency And this is going to be a fascinating season for quarterback turnover in the NFL. And so before I let you go. Where if you're a betting man. Where's Tom Brady play next year? Well if you're a betting man I still think he is most likely going to end up with New England but if that doesn't happen and I think there is a good chance a decent chance that doesn't happen. I think the titans. The raiders chargers of the teams to watch and other cults would love to have him. But he's not going there so I would say in order. Tennessee The raiders and the chargers the forty. Niners I just. I just don't buy that. They're GONNA be all in on Brady but look stranger. Things have happened all right interesting. Off-season ahead Bob always enjoy you spending some time with us. Giants fans? 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Valentine's Views: Draft wrap-up with Scott Wright of Draft Countdown
"Hello again, giants fans and welcome to a new addition of the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of big blue view and today's show is our first pre two thousand in nineteen NFL draft show. Hopefully, you have been following in reading a lot of the the commentary at big blue view from myself, Pat, traina work from Chris Fleming. And Dan poodle, all of the the the content that we've been producing since the draft began on Thursday night. Obviously quite a lively discussion over the giants decision to choose Daniel Jones do quarterback at number six in the draft. You know, whether or not that decision turns out to be the right one. Is one that we won't know for several years until we find out what sort of quarterback Jones develops into at the NFL level, and what sort of team the giants put around him. But you know, we've we've I've spent a lot of words of spent a lot of time writing about this at big blue view, you guys who have have read a lot of that work. You know, where I stand on that right now, I'm not going to spend today's show going over and over that opinion, instead of listening to to my opinion, what I'm going to do today is bring in Scott right draft analyst from draft countdown dot com, and we're going to talk to Scott about his thoughts on what Dave Gettleman ended giants did here in two thousand nineteen draft. So, you know, without any further delay. Let's bring Scott in right now and get to that. Discussion. All right giants fans. I'm joined now by Scott right draft analyst from draft countdown. And we're going to spend some time reviewing what the what the giants did during the draft. How you doing today? Scott, I'm doing excellent. I it's hard to believe the draft is over. It's always a bit of a letdown. When you build to it all year long. It seems like in the blink of an eye. It's it comes and goes. But the great thing about the NFL draft is even when it's over the next one's less than a year away. Oh, please. Just don't post a mock draft already. They're out there man, you why they're they're not gonna ask you at this time of year. But they're out there. I know I saw one in the only the only good takeaway. I got from it was that the giants didn't have a top ten pick in the in that particular mock. So so I'll take that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a, but you know, what NFL Stoute's they're looking ahead. I mean, not only are they looking now they've been looking at twenty twenty prospects for a month. You know, they've moved ahead. Well before the draft comes along. So it's a it truly is a year long process. We kind of joke about it. But for the NFL there well into twenty twenty oh, sure. Their work on these kids was done on these kids that were in this draft class. That was just concluded their work was done, you know, months and months ago. Yes, for sure by the end of March wants all those pro days wrapped up so yeah, they've turned their attention. And now they're getting ready pretty soon here in the next month. They'll be getting together to go over there spring grades and start a new, and it's fun. It's fun to. To not only talk about what actually happened instead of speculating, but then we can whole new crop players to begin analyzing dissection will let's let's analyze in dissect and talk about what the giants just did, you know, before we started you and I were talking a little bit off line here off air. And I said, you know, back in the day the giants made headlines for for winning things they made the back page of the New York tabloids for winning things in not for the various moves that they made. But boy, they sure are interesting. These days. Interesting in not necessarily a good way. But yeah, I mean, certainly, that's the one of the storylines strapped. You know, when we look back five years from now, that's one of the moments that that this draft is we remembered for for better or worse on. That's of course, the giants taking Daniel Jones at number six overall. But ultimately, I don't consider that a huge surprise. I mean, I hadn't gone to the giants for months and months, I thought it would be at seventeen, but the case people made in I tend to agree with it is if you have that much of a conviction on a quarterback at you'd think he's your guy why wait till seventeen in risk losing him. Just take him at six. Now, if it works out great that's not too early. It's impossible overpay for a good core back. He turns out to be average starting quarterback. They gotta steal with the number six overall pick. But if he if he struggles to make that decision last year to pass Sam darnold than all those other quarterbacks look all that much worse. So I don't think it's a stretch to say this is a a franchise. Defining decision for at least the next half decade and in arguably career defining decision for Dave Gettleman, if this doesn't work out or if it does this kind of what he's gonna be remembered for at least the latter part of his career. Oh, it most certainly is in you know, we we have to we have to pound pound. My chest a little bit here because you initially made that claim about Daniel Jones right here on this show. So let's. I'm gonna take some credit there for giving you the the form to do that in, you know, just just pound my chest a little bit. Well, I appreciate it. I look back and I remember doing that shows in February. And I remember the reaction from giants fans at the time wasn't a very positive. They weren't necessarily in the in the corner of Daniel Jones at that time since then when it became looking like, he's a possibility Nelson sees been drafted have giants fans talk themselves into him or zapped process began or is it still a all negative. Well, obviously, the reaction, and you never know if it's a minority of people, but you know, people who disagree with any decision. There's always this vocal outrage or outcry. And I think a lot of that is what we're hearing in seeing is is the people that didn't like it are venting their frustration. They're venting their anger. You know, I pulled each and every pick that the giants made during the draft. I pulled those picks at big blue view. And I think it's the first time in the history of doing those things that pick ever got an F. And I think fifty six percent of people that voted in that poll gave the selection of Jones at number six f if that I think that tells you how the fan base feels I've gotta say someone without a horse in the race. I absolutely loved watching all the reaction videos on social media giants fans when that pick was announce they are Kirti priceless raging ranging from just absolute rage just disbelief into just staring around like wondering what just happened and everything in between just a fear gold. It certainly is was an end the reaction was to be expected. But I think as I wrote Sunday at big blue view might take is this. And I think it's. Similar to yours. Look, we don't know if Dave Gettleman judgment here is going to be right. You know as much as you do this for a living, and I have guys at my site. Like Mark Scofield who studied quarterbacks for a living. And you know, as you wrote in your draft review. It's not too choice. You would have made to take Jones at six, you know, Mark didn't have Jones I think he had Jones as the fifth or sixth rink quarterback on his board. You know? But the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter if there were two teams as some have indicated it doesn't matter if there were two teams that would have taken Jones before the giants had a chance to at six. It doesn't matter. What any of us really think we don't know for certain if Jones is going to be better than than Dwayne Haskins. We don't know if he's going to be better than trace McSorley who was the last quarterback dry. After Bret Rippin who didn't even get drafted. You know, what matters really is this is the conviction that the Dave Gettleman had this is what he believed he was willing to stake. The franchise, you know, his reputation on that. And the giants go forward from there. I give him credit for that. Yeah. I'd rather have an option in the building the not like they did last year. I mean, at least now there's a guy that that you can if things start going poorly lateness seizing Suheil state that we got somebody who can take a look at now. So so I kind of general rule when it comes to the NFL draft. I try not to criticize teams for what they do at the quarterback position. Because I'd rather see them try, and at least swing or take the shot rather than just spin your wheels for decade with Andy Dalton I mean, I mean to me that's the worst possible thing for an NFL team. So so keep swinging a in the key for this. Now would scare me more. So than anything if I were the giants fans is Gettleman being too attached to this pick. You look what happened in Jacksonville? Blake Bortles that gentleman. Majors. Just he was so all in them. Blake Bortles in and was going to try to make that work at all costs, and he'd probably strung it out two years longer than he should have. So so if it doesn't work out is Gilman gonna be reluctant to cut the court who knows if it doesn't work out Gilman might not be there to make the call. But but that's something that would concern me. But, but at least they have an option they took a shot, which is which is more than they did last year. It's it's it's gonna be fascinating to watch. And galman. I I wonder if even watching him do you think he understands kind of the the long implications? He understand the viewer Daniel Jones in or does the reaction surprises him. No. I don't think the reaction surprises him at all to be honest with you. And I mean, he's he's been hearing criticism from the New York media from certain segments of the media. He's been hearing outrage about a lot of his decisions for a while. He gets it. I'm not sure that that he appreciates it. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate it. But knowing Gettleman, I don't think he cares. I mean, he says look he says I've been part of seven different teams that won the or that have been to the Super Bowl. He said, I know what this is supposed to look like. For me. The one question on his resume has always been you. Can he pick a quarterback? And he's you know, he's pushed his chips to the table now. And and in three or four years. We'll know if he's right. You know, a lot of people think he he was crazy to to go with Jones. But I think you know, you, and I would agree. I think that inside the NFL I think Jones was viewed a lot differently than he was outside by analysts like yourself, and and and many others who who weren't really that. Appreciative of Jones. Yep. Absolutely. He's been on the NFL radar for for long time. Well before this draft cycle, even and that's the I think the important thing before we move on from that tech. I think it's important to to note, it seems like we're digging on Daniel Jones, and he's not without Regina qualities. I had was as one of the fifty best players in this whole draft. He's got the prototypical size. His arm is strong enough. He's. Very smart. There's a lot to like about him. Honestly, my biggest concern is durability because he's been hurt even going back to high school two of the last three or three less four something like that. So that's kind of what concerns me more than anything else. He might not have as much upside as some of the other quarterbacks in this class. But I would make a strong argument that he has a much higher floor than Dwayne Haskins or or July. So or Kyle Murray for that matter. So so Daniel Jones, it's it could be a whole lot worse. It's not like they took a late round pick of the top of the draft. He was going in the first round if they didn't take them then. And you know, what goes back to Gilman's conviction on him? And in weight, you have to admire that that I think anybody who is involved at the draft covers at analyze the prospects. You you have to have that certain degree of confidence in yourself that your right in Gilman, certainly has Daniel Jones only time will tell was right. But but I the gumption and he has staked his legacy, he staked, you know. The the next four. Five years the future of of the giants on that. But Scott, we could we could talk about we could talk about that forever. But let's move on a little bit. Let's talk about some of the other picks that the giants made. Beyond saying, Arianna 'Grande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to code the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop won't reveal for you. 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See to just me and Paul ranting each other about the role of the government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe diverse forever podcasts are served. We'll see. Just sort of for me give me other after the quarterback pick give me your favorite pick. Maybe your favorite value. Among you know, the the other nine picks that the giants made. I mean, I could give you a bunch, but I'd start with the next one at seventeen overall pick that got for Odell Beckham Dexter Lawrence defensive tackle from Clemson. I was a big fan of his items. One of the ten best players. Hold draft. Regardless of position to me. He is a special prospect a special physical specimen. There is not a Dexter Lawrence at every draft in in. You know, when I was working on the reviews, which are up on the site of the frustration on picks. I I thought it was apropos that the team that took Dexter Lawrence is the team George Young, you know, who's who's, of course, famous for his his planet theory that there are only so many big men who run fast on the planet. So you take them and Dexter Lawrence. I mean, he is the. Prototypical Zamel that and people are talking. I mean, there's no question everyone agrees. He's a dominant run stuff. You're taking up space in the middle. But the knock on him is he's not a great pass rusher in. It's true is not gonna be Aaron Donald record double digit sacks on a yearly basis there in the middle. But he's a much better pass rusher. I think they give credit for just because clemson's align was so strong. They didn't need to have been there in passing downs. They'd bring our Huggins who's in the NFL now too. So that was more lack of opportunity than a lack of ability with Dexter Lawrence. So I really liked that pick of for them. And like I said another I mean, if you're gonna say, which which is these guys are the giants type Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence would both be on the shortlist. It's funny because you, and I had talked about this a while ago and talked about this with with a couple of other draft analysts in it's so funny because. People that have done this for a while. Both you head had said to me, and I kinda saw it a little bit as well that both if the giants had types both Daniel Jones and Dexter Lawrence. Our guys that that fit the type of players that that you would have pegged, you know, for the giants for the less twenty thirty forty years. Yeah. And and you know in the twenty years I've been covering the draft and probably the decade or two before the giants had changed the least amount of any other team. And some of that's good. I mean, they've had a lot success in the time range in in. Currently they're going through a rough patch, but but they have a very specific philosophy. And and and that's what they're going to stick with until things change. And and I think when they brought Dave Gettleman in this league in this most recent front office change when they brought in Dave Gettleman that was kind of a recommitment ceremony if you will to to that same approach. So definitely wasn't surprised to see either of those guys. Then the thing that I really liked I guess about the giants classes is they just they just hit cornerback early and hard. And and I like that when a team has an obvious deficiency. Bring in a bunch of guys. You know, we saw the Packers do that last year there top couple picks where we're Cornerbacks in. They got some good ones starting with the Andrea Baker from Georgia. They trade up to get the third first-round pick. And you know, I. Honestly, I don't know if he was that much better than the other options that I would've traded up for him. But he was obviously the guy they liked and they went and get them. And I never felt the team for that. Don't forget their third round pick was used in supplemental draft on Sam bills combat from injury. But then they got a couple of really good ones. Too on date date three enjoying love cornerback Notre Dame who fell around or to hear expected. But what one thing that? I like to do is when you talk to fan base is what do they think the players, you know, they're passionately involved. They seen everything Notre Dame fans will tell you how much they like Julian love in home port, and he was to that team. So an underrated guy, and then I like the Corey Valentine picked to to wash burn in the six round in needle thoughts are with him that that fortunate -at's accident after the draft wears friend was killed and and he was shot. And hopefully, it sounds like he's going to be all right? And hope that's the case. But I thought he was going to go around earlier, I thought he was a fifth round pick and really good natural athlete. So so they've got some really interesting competition now at corner. Back in in. I feel like one way or another that positions going to be salt now because they they went hit it so hard. So again, you know, kudos to them for for identifying area. They wanted upgraded make sure the job done. It is interesting. I mean, the giants I think they took the Ximenes as the edge rusher at the end of of the third round. But they did go really heavy on corner and people are still sort of put, but they didn't get an edge rusher. You know, they didn't they passed on Josh Allen in the first round for Daniel Jones, which you know, Dave Gettleman admitted that that was a very difficult thing for him to do, you know, knowing as much as he loves the the edge rushers. The hog molly's those kinds of guys, but there's there's more than one way to build a defense. There's more than one way to help a pass rush. And I think that the giants accumulated at least my perspective is the accumulated a lot of quality talent. Yeah. And I like Zimmer he was a guy at one point was being talked about maybe a player who could sneak into the lighter part of the first round. So I think he's a really good player is not explosive. He's he's more of a crafty pass rusher. More of a power guy, but just really solid he's assignment sound. So a good player in kind of fits into that that that mole that that James Bechers had success with over the years. So I think he's going to be a really good fit there. And that was good value for the third round in in in by then the pass rushers were starting to kind of dry up. They kind of got in on the very tail end of that of that top group. So you know, they waited probably as long as they possibly could to get a pass rusher. But they still wound up getting a good one. I am going to have to work on figuring out of pronounce that young man's name. You know, what I talked about the senior bowl interviewed. I can tell you for sure it's ocean. Zimin ass-. Good good. All right. So I won't I won't put your when I get to talk to him. I messed it up a little bit. And he corrected me. So it stuck in my head Zimin ass- Zimin ass-. All right. I'm going to have to practice that one. Anyway, Scott, let's do this. Let's overall I think there's a lot more to like in this giants draft. I think then people may give it credit for, you know, especially since there's still people who wanna throw their remote through the TV or their laptop out the window when they think about the Daniel Jones pick. But look at looking at what they did. Is there one move? Is there one pick that you can think of other than Daniel Jones? You know, is there one that's a that's a head scratcher for you. How about what they didn't do? How about not didn't bring in a solid blocker to shore up that offense line a little more. That's the that's what kind of stands out to me looking at their draft class. And you're right. I mean, it's far from a disaster. There's a lot to like about what they did. But ultimately at the end of the day, the only one truly going to make a difference is Daniel Jones. I mean, that's the pick. That's good determine whether the giants are contending for spot in the playoffs with Super Bowl in the next five years, or if they're picking at the top of the draft in five years, so so as good as I love, Dexter Lawrence. I love this corners, they took. But ultimately it all comes back to that quarterback. And let's be interesting to see in the transition, and how that's handled because they've obviously been been very careful with ally in that relationship. But if things start to go self and come from mid season looks out of it. Are they gonna be willing to make that switch in is going to be okay with that? Because they tried to make the switch on a couple of years ago and play young guy, and they just fired the guys who made that decision in July. Back in it is most definitely a very interesting time for the giants. You know, as you said, they do have, you know, they do have the the succession plan in place. Now be interesting to see how this all unfolds as you said it'll be really interesting if they're not doing well this year. It'll be interesting to see how quickly they go to Daniel Jones, Scott, always appreciate your time. And your insight just remind folks where they can find your work where they can find you on Twitter and know what you might have coming up. Yeah. Check me out a draft countdown dot com. Got my review of all the first round picks up already come down to the twenty twenty NFL draft less than a year away. And then also follow me on Twitter at draft. All right, Scott. Thank you much for your time. We'll talk to you again anytime. Thanks for having me. Okay. Giants fans are thanks to Scott right for spending some time with us shedding some some light on his thoughts. His. Opinions on what the giants did in this draft class Scots opinion seems to be that you know, that there's a lot more to like inist draft class than than angry fans. You know, who are who still can't get past the Daniel Jones selection. There's a lot more to like, then then people really want to want to admit anyway giants fans, we thank you for listening. As always a please remember to subscribe to big blue, you radio on all of your favorite podcast applications, and you know, when you're out there arguing about whatever the giants do whether it's a Jones decision. Whatever choice. It is. You know, whatever it is. With the giants, please. Remember, try to be nice to each other. All right. Thank you very much. And we'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason card. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the. Shutdown. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Talking Hall of Fame, 2019 Giants with Matt Williamson
"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about n._h._l. Free agency have you or your family ever seen it new york rylander scam if the answer's yes don't wait another minute pick up your mobile device and subscribe to lighthouse hockey podcasts from espy nation. Today are courteous and efficient hosts <music> are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for new york islanders fans yeah hello and welcome to a new edition of the valentine's views podcast here. You're on big blue view radio part of the s._p. Nation family of podcasts. I'm your host ed valentine and today we're going to talk a little bit of vote of giants football as the giants get ready to face the new york jets in their two thousand nineteen preseason opener and here to help me break down <hes> the giants breakdown training camp break down a little bit of <hes> of expectations for the giants in two thousand and nineteen is matt williamson williamson occasional contributor here at big blue view and host of the locked on n._f._l. Podcast matt thank you very much. Thank thank you ed great. How's things going good good. You're you're busy these days. I keep getting messages from you that you're that you're driving back and forth and going to pittsburgh steelers practices a lot these days yeah one of my many hats i wear as i am on healer nation radio regularly and we're doing shows from camp almost every day. It's about an hour and a half from my house so i pretty much live in the dorms like the players and seacombe from time to time to mow the lawn and those type of things so you know don't don't we ever kind of grow up from from dorms and hotel rooms and stuff. It's fine manners. There's like community showers and it's true dorm lights but the food's good in the atmosphere is good and go to watering hole in the evening and hang with the some of the people from the team and whatnot so defined environment but it wears on you a little bit too there. You go yeah i'm doing. I'm two and a half hours from <hes> from metlife stadium from where the giants train and i've been going back and forth a little bit. I usually try to hang out. You know spend a couple of days there. When when i go oh you know put myself up in a hotel and in in in in stay for a couple of days at a time yeah i don't blame you. It's good stuff so hey okay. Let's <hes> let's talk about. Let's talk about the giants a little bit. <hes> i was interested. We just had <hes> hall of fame weekend. The latest <hes> enshrined ease into the hall of fame. You did a post for us on the on the two thousand twenty class on the guys that <hes> on on the former players that you would like to see enshrined in in twenty twenty which is a year when they're going to expand the class first of all. Are you cool with them. Expanding the class for one year sort of in <hes> in honor of the of the centennial sort of i mean i think it's a cool idea it something different but i'm watching you know the guys given their speech a couple of days ago thinking what if there were twenty of these. He's just take all week long enough as a._r. And my problem with it and i love hall of fame pocket head i really do i. I talked about a lot of my podcasts and i prefaced by saying. All these guys are great players. Obviously and we're talking about the ugliest girls at the beauty pageants so to speak but with all respect to the veterans get in isn't one a year plenty and i almost feel like they deserve their own wing thing because hey guys again it sounds callous but you weren't good enough to get him the first time around and now all of a sudden and of them. I just don't see the logjam the the same way they do. I mean i came up with some names on that article. That are the guys that are expected to get in but none of them jumped off the page to me like wow what a travesty that elsie greenwood's not in the hall of fame i mean i think they're all borderline guys or guys. It shouldn't in the first time around they had plenty of opportunities and now we're sick ten of them. In i mean to me it's not the same as when word sailor goes i i tend to agree with that. I mean you're either hall of famer or you're not and right. If you're if you're not a hall of famer the first six times a year on the ballot. What makes you a hall of famer the seventh time you're on on the ballot i get it. I yeah i yeah i feel the same way about the baseball hall of fame. It's like if you get thirty percent of the vote. You know the first time. Why are you still on the ballot right. I mean it's not like your resume changes. I mean you're done playing. Many of these. Guys haven't played for many many a moon and people don't even know who some of them are <hes> again. I'm sure they're wonderful players. I'm sure they're wonderful human beings but to me they should have their own wing or at a separate section and along those lines one thing i do like though is more contributors and more coaches going in so so <hes> i don't have a problem with maybe an extra one of the one or two of those guys going into this upcoming year but the veterans who played back in one thousand nine hundred fifty that weren't enough to get in the first time around. I just don't see it. It's interesting you went to the contributors because i was actually going to go there our next and it sort of the other side of the coin. I mean here. I am saying you know what if you're not a hall of famer the first x number of times. You're on on the ballot then then. Why are you won the seventh or eighth time. You're on the ballot and i'm one who for years and years now has beaten the drum for for former giants general manager george young as a hall of famer. I for the life of me have never understood why this man who did so much to turn around the giants franchise a guy who still referenced in the hallways when you talk talk to people there a guy who many of his philosophies still impact that organization today i for the life of me understand why he can't even get to be a finalist. I'm kind of with you on that one to it to me when you talk about contributors to the n._f._l. He seems like the definition of it to me. I mean he in a way. I guess pun intended. He was a giant in his field. The old and i do think what's different about them as opposed to the committee that we just saw the veteran players we talked about is i kind of feel like the contributors. There's coaches got a little bit of the short end of the stick for a lot airs. He did a ton yeah he did in you know so it's <hes> it's it's to me i just i don't understand that. I hope that that this time with the expanded now number of contributors going in. I hope this time you know the hall of fame voters will will will rectify that but i'm not optimistic because as i said he doesn't seem to even get the support to <hes> to be considered a finalist yep if it doesn't happen this year. I think he's in trouble. Yeah you're probably right. It's <hes> it's it's tough but anyway. Let's <hes> let's talk about the the current new york giants and you know there was an interesting piece from from bill barnwell in e._s._p._n. The other day listing the giants as despite fight you know everything that went on this off season and and the disparaging thoughts about dave gettleman i mean he was listing the giants as one of his five teams that he felt was most likely to improve. You know not that. He felt like they were very good but he was looking at that five win bar and thinking that they should do better than that means d. Do you think that this is a team that that despite all of all all of the the controversy over cattlemans moves is more or less pointed in the right direction. I have mixed feelings on that and red barn. Wells call them. I i like him. I think he's a really good analyst. He has a really strong football outsiders background in background and the antics tell you that the giants should rebound you know for all the reasons bill mentioned and i urge everyone to check that out but i'm not sure that piss passes. Ask the smell test for me. I mean it's a i think it's a difficult division. I mean the two teams that are clearly better than them and i have a hard time envisioning asian them having even league average quarterback play in two thousand nineteen <hes> i think cattleman has gotten too much criticism criticism. I mean i. I wrote a couple articles for you. Guys mentioning how i thought he created a nice nest for landing spot for a quarterback <hes> working working on the offensive line. The defense is going to take time but it's a a youth movement there <hes> i just think that in the end i wouldn't have taken jones. I you know i just don't think he's worthy of that kind of pick and that's where the future i mean it's really dependent on one guy. Unfortunately maybe he hits. Maybe he proves ruseler wrong. Many quarterbacks have but he would not have been my selection and yeah. I mean i've been wrong about quarterbacks before but jones to me was not a first round talent alan. He's not a future franchise quarterback. He would not have been my selection but unfortunately well. I mean if this happens a lot of teams. The giants go as far as jones will take him over the next. Several years and gettleman is going to be tied for tied with them to him forever. <hes> hopefully hits hopefully. I'm i'm wrong because i do think there's somewhat of a good infrastructure there for him to come in and be comfortable but for the short term i don't see the giants being even league averages quarterback because they shouldn't <hes> we'll see for the long term i do see some optimism and some signs signs you from my perspective that other areas of the roster especially with some young players. I think gettleman did a good job job. In the twenty eighteen draft you know with with barclay. I mean just based on the talent alone with barclay with will hernandez you know bringing in some some core players i think b._j. Hill is stepping up. I know the giants are excited about lorenzo carter this year he's having in a nice camp and a lot is riding on his development for the giants because they're so desperate for pass rush and this this draft aft- class if he hits with a couple of those cornerbacks if owes shane's immunised turns into turns out to be a pretty decent player this draft class could could also be a good one so there are some signs that areas of the roster are improving but but it it is all gonna come come back to whether jones is what gettleman thinks he is yeah and i agree with everything he said and i do think these past two off-season especially the draft but also guys like zeitler are building blocks. I mean our quality young players. <hes> i think the defensive tackle position you mentioned the corner position. We'll see you on the edge guys but there's upside there <hes> so i do think you know certainly at guard with hernandez barclay star. We know that so. I do think there are pieces is in place but like said too. I mean i mean jones is going to be the key of course organizations and you know. I think ideally takes over sooner than later. Shows promise isn't going to go to the pro bowl this year anything and then they have one more big off season around them then. We might be having a different conversation at you're now. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors and we'll come right back here on the valentine's views tied cast and continue our conversation with matt williamson. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. 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About your two thousand nineteen new york giants people have asked me gettleman settlement and pat shurmur have talked about improvement because they're never going to put a number of wins on it. They're never going to say we have to make the playoffs and and i've made the case that i think if some of these pieces show promise if these young defenders show promise if gebriel peppers apper looks like what the giants think he is if this offensive line plays a little bit better and maybe the giants are able to add a young piece to that in the draft next year ear no matter what the number of wins is you can make an argument that there's been improvement especially if jones uh-huh gets to play and looks like he can play quarterback in the n._f._l. Yes i think that's very true. I think there's a lot of a lotta guys on the team where you could certainly say their best football is ahead of them and if eighty percent of those guys that we've brought up in the last couple of questions or so are or what we think they can be then yeah then you do have an infrastructure then you do have some star power in the making <hes> you do. I know people are very critical cattleman for taking can barkley over darnold but he's superstar and i mean he can put the offense on his back and guide them through some tough waters. Hopefully i think again with better blocking and you know guys like evan ingram around and we mentioned him. I think he's a really good player as well but yeah i mean so yeah i mean it's not all doom and gloom. That's for sure you're one of the other questions that i get from giants fans. All the time matt is is how long will all the giants ownership give dave gentlemen in pat shurmur to get this right and i you know people say oh they if they win three games four games this year gettleman has to be fired. Pat shurmur has to be fired and i'm one who thinks that probably especially with the drafting of daniel jones but y you know but also because you're trying to build that young poor and you're building so much on the around the draft that this you know gettleman in n. Shurmur especially gettleman has probably built himself a little bit of a window here of of two or three years or so to see how this all pans out to be who knows what ownership will do. I mean we know how the league works. People get fired all the time. You know what a quarter of the league changed coaches this year but i think to be fair to those two judging them after the season is too the harsh is too quick i would give it to i mean i wanna see jones producing all those young players. We talked about getting better one more off-season in the books to kinda build it in his likeness and around the way the coach wants it but to be fair i think they need to give these guys two more years and if it's going it's clearly going in the right direction and they're to the point at that stage of the game where they're you know borderline playoff team or maybe eighty better who knows or certainly a formidable organization then you keep them and if things are <hes> wheel and and you're not winning games then you move on all right matt we've got a preseason game coming up on thursday and the giants of course get to a place sam darnold in the new york jets although i don't think darnold will play so preseason is preseason is pretty much here. I know you'll probably maybe <hes> you'll probably be in pittsburgh or or following the steelers around a little bit. Why don't you just tell people if they don't know where they can find your work where they can where they can find you on twitter yeah. I'm at williams and n._f._l. When you mentioned my podcast locked on n._f._l. Doing that daily <hes> those are the best places to check me out so much and this is all right matt. We'll talk to you soon. All right giants fans are thanks to matt williamson for spending some time with us as we always encourage you guys please be sure to subscribe to big movie radio on on all of your favorite podcast applications. Thank you very much and we'll talk to you soon bye bye. Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades to the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about n._h._l. Free agency have you or your family ever seen it new york islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute it pick up your mobile device and subscribe to lighthouse hockey podcasts from espy nation today. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Free agency review with Pat Traina
"Turbo tax believes that with the right tools and encouragement. People can be good at anything and yes that includes taxes and to help people feel more comfortable with the tax process. Turbotax live gives you access to experience. Cpa's NDA's who are happy to review your return line by line to make sure your taxes are done right and that you get your best possible refund turbo tax. All people are tax people. Hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views podcast here on big new radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. Today's show is coming to you on Friday as the first week of NFL. Free Agency winds down and I thought we would take a little bit of time to to review what the giants did and did not do in the first week of of Free Agency and here to help me go through. Some of that is good friend. Patricia train a patty. How you doing today? What's up head hanging in? You know working working just as hard even though been stuck in the house because of this outbreak in just hope again I know we said this last time we got together on the show. Hope everybody out there. A safe is taking precautions and and Just hanging in there. You Know Patty. I said to my wife earlier today. I said you know it's weird in a way because you know for those of us who cover the NFL in a lot of ways the work part of this has been fairly normal. But it's it's certainly not a normal time in in anyone's life. Yeah not at all but you know. Listen we do the best we can and we just hope that everybody is is safe out there and continues to be safe. And hopefully you know the steps. Were taking flatten out the curb and they'll be able to get this under control in one way shape or form. Alright Patty. So let's let's do this. Let's let's provide a little bit of a distraction from all of that. Let's Talk New York giants a little while and I thought what we would do. Today is go through a little bit of an old fashioned. You know you and I used to do the Friday five where we traded traded questions the last time you and I did this on the on our show on the show here. People seem to like that so I thought we would go through a A sort of Friday five regarding free agency. So what I'll do is I'll I'll sort of throw out a topic question. Kinda give you briefly my thoughts on on it and then and then see if you see if you agree disagree. Sorta turn the floor over to you. Sounds like a plan. Let's do it all right so the first topic as we've gone through the first week of free agency giants fans are kind of freaking out large large parts of of Of the fan base are freaking out. Because the giants didn't sign haven't signed a Premier. Pass rusher and. I think that I know that I've been telling people for weeks. Now that I thought that the giants would could very likely get through this off season without landing premier pass rusher. You know you know. Jvm cloudy the only one really on the market being available for you know for SIMP- without a trade or any of that so so I'm not surprised at all. You know where we are right now. How about you know not really. I mean Look Dave. Gettleman predicted it and really. You didn't have to be a notion. Dumbest predicted he said that. All the pass rushers. That would be worth something. Would end up being franchise tagged and that indeed is what has happened now. There are a couple guys that are still out there. That apparently think that they're worth big money and They just haven't found the market that I think they were. They were looking for and So I'm not surprised by this I know there was some interest reported earlier in the week in a couple of guys debut and cloudy who apparently has a high price tag or reportedly has a high price tag I don't know how much has been dumb it. Marcus Golden. I think it sounds like they're going to move on from him. Jordan Jenkins of the jets was a guy another guy reportedly. They were kicking the tires on. But look I mean at this point. You can't force a pass rusher if if you're not going to be able to get one in free agency and you're not going to be able to get a you know a stud in the draft which doesn't look like the giants are going to be able to do. Don't force it. Why would you overspend on a guy who is going to give you ultimately the production of what you want? I mean you're almost better off to saying okay. Let's try and scheme it or let's just sit and wait because you know you're never gonNA accomplish filling all your needs in one off season when it comes to. Clowney Patty before we move on to another topic when it comes to. Clowney the big issue for me is your price tag. Even if it drops to seventeen eighteen million a year from what we originally heard was going to be twenty two or twenty three. You're talking about a guy who while talented has up and down production throughout his career and has a pretty long injury history so it it's complicated. It's difficult I think to spend that kind of money on the guy. Yeah I I agree with you. He's also a you know the injury history would concern me as the fact that despite playing most of his career next to. Jj Watt where you would think. Jj Watt would draw double and triple teams. Which would free up clowney for one on ones that the production just wasn't what you would expect it to be so so. Yeah I think you know. Cloudy is a good player. Don't get me wrong but I don't know necessarily that. He's a number one pass rusher. That's what the giants need. And why would you pay number one? Pass rush money to a guy who is really a number two doesn't make sense no it doesn't Patty one thing you know. Let's go to the second topic. 'cause this sort of you know talking about clowney and talking about The pass rush sort of leads into it. I fully expected this free agency for the giants to be largely focused on the defensive side of the ball and it turned out that way. Now we can argue you know. Did they pick the right linebacker? You know to spend money on by spent you know by going out and getting Blake Martinez. Did they pick the right cornerback to spend big money on in James Bradberry? We can argue about those things but I think the giants Dave Gettleman Joe Judge. I think they did the right thing by taking the majority of the resources that they had and focusing them on trying to improve on the defensive side of the ball. You agree with that or disagree. Oh I absolutely agree matter fact. I thought that that might be the game plan because the defense needs more help than the offense at the stage of the game You know the offense. I think they can address that in the draft. I think they will address it in the draft but Defense I mean you go up from from front to back. Namie one position or one unit were. They didn't need help. And you only have what ten draft picks right now. If I'm not mistaken chances are they won't take all ten but You had to vote some of those resources to defensive side of the ball because that was the biggest problem plus you got rid of some guy. So you add all those factors together and it was a no-brainer indeed. That is what I thought as well. Patty. I thought that the draft sets up. You know with sets up fairly nicely for the giants and we'll get into this a little bit more later but I think the draft sets up nicely in areas of need for the giants to where they should be able to to address those things know in the draft so I did obviously think the defense was was the way to go in free agency. One thing that I wanted to ask your wanted to address one of the things that I liked about what the giants did with the contracts is these are none of these contracts that they signed guys to are the long term. You Know Five Year deals that that tie you to a player for three four years even if you fairly quickly determined that. Maybe he's not the right player that maybe he's not what you thought he was. I really liked what the did with the short term deals you know. I don't think any any of those contracts they gave out were longer than three years. I liked what they did with the bonus money because it. It's not going to tie them to so much dead money down the line if they do move on from guys. I just want to ask you if you liked the way that they that they structured in terms of of contracts and also. I know this is an area of expertise for you. So maybe you can. You can explain to people a little bit about why the giants did what they did with roster bonuses versus signing bonuses and all of that well to answer your first question absolutely and I. I wrote an article and did a video on that this morning for Giants country on SL DOT COM's network saying how much I liked the approach and how it's about time the giants abandoned that old approach of giving out signing bonuses which could potentially choke the cap regarding your second question basically when you give out a signing bonus that's signing bonus pro rates over the life of the CAP. I'm sorry over the life of the contract up to five years. So what happens is if you want to get rid of a guy. Say Two years before his contract ends and you want that money available to right away. You're going to have to eat whatever the salary cap the remaining pro-rated bonuses and let's take need solar for example. Nate soldier has thirteen million dollars. I believe left in pro rated signing bonus so giants wanted to get rid of him right now before June first they would have to eat thirteen million dollars and they already had ten million dollars in dead money. So you're talking twenty three million dead money if they were to make that transaction now so when you consider that the giants the last two years I've been in the top five in terms of teams leading the League in dead money going with the roster bonus is too smart away because roster bonus wallet does create a larger cap number in the first year it also eliminates the potential for dead money down the line. Should you want to get out of the contract after the dead? All the guaranteed money has been used up all right. Patty. Let's take a quick break here for a word from our SP nation sponsors. And then we'll come back. And I have two more questions for you. Hiring is difficult. You're looking for the just right candidate for your team's unique needs but knowing where to start the search can be challenging according to ziprecruiter research three out of four employers say. They're having a hard time filling open positions. 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En- did not do in. Nfl Free Agency so patty the next topic that I wanted to address and we talked a lot before the before the break about the defensive side of the ball and in the fact that we both anticipated the giants spending a lot of a lot of their resources on defense. The one thing they haven't addressed and it's another thing that people have have sort of gone a little nuts about on twitter. You know that you see from from giants fans. The giants did sign Cameron Fleming. You know basically a veteran swing tackle a guy who could play right tackle if the giants don't come up with a better option in the draft. Which honestly I I kind of expect them to do but did you anticipate that they would go a little bit more aggressively to try to fix the offensive line in in free agency. I know I didn't because of the way the draft sets up. Yeah I didn't either add. I said all along that this. If you were going to draft a franchise left tackle. This is the year to do it. You know the giants God willing are not going to be drafting in the top. Ten let alone the top five again. Next year fingers crossed so given that they are in the top five right now and given that they have In front of them a rich class of legitimate tackles nut. Guys wirt who were college tackles projected scarves at the NFL level. This would be the year to get yourself a guy who could potentially be your franchise left tackle for the next ten years. You've got your quarterback you've gotta running back. Receiver seems to be a by committee approach. Get Your Stud left tackle agree and you know. Initially when I started to think about the giants and Free Agency and players who were available I thought about Jack Conklin and I thought how signing conklin would be a good thing for the giants in terms of you know solidifying right tackle allowing them to use draft capital in the early part of the draft to upgrade their defense. Maybe use a day to pick to find that left tackle and over time. I kind of came off of that. It just doesn't make sense. You've got big big money. Invested in in Nate's older. Did it really make sense to to spend big big money on the right tackle on the other side when you could go into the draft and and and get you know what appears to be there just appears to be several quality options at the top of the draft so the more I thought about it the less sense it made for the giants to make a big splash on with an offensive line? Signing yeah I mean I initially thought okay. Well maybe they go that direction but but All the wall I believe in. Look it's a tossup I know there are people out there who want Isaiah Simmons. I think it's going to be very close to call. And who knows the giants trade down and are able to pick up another first round pick. I keep looking at the raiders. I keep looking at maybe Miami as a potential pick especially after what happened with Detroit Trading Darius slay to the eagles. You know that that to me screams that the probably go. Okuda at number three overall So if I'm the giants I and if I can trade one spot down with Miami maybe can come away with Sibbon's at number five and then if you pick up another first round pick for Miami later on maybe just maybe you can get your offense tackle. Sure you know. There's a lot of ways to go. I keep looking at. I keep looking at in terms of the draft. I keep looking at twelve. And nineteen from the Raiders. As for me a no-brainer. If if Mike May Awkward offer that to the giants I think I would be all over that. Yeah I think that would be a worthwhile trade. Chew now you know it might change a little bit on on how what you might be able to get but you have three teams right now though. The dolphins the chargers. And I believe the Panthers. Now all need quarterbacks so you just know that it offense tackle or maybe even a defensive player is going to get pushed down that that That chain if he will so it might be worth it to trade a little bit further down that maybe we thought it would be. You know at the start of this process. Sure Patty I agree. I think trading down is obviously obviously has to be in play for the giants you know but we. We have weeks and weeks for to discuss the draft at this point. So let's get back to free agency. Let's get back to really. What will be my final topic for the day and what I wanted to ask you about. I know that that you have complained about the giants doing this. And sort of relying on players who they knew you know going out and getting a whole bunch of Carolina Panther Former Carolina Panther players. A bunch of former Arizona cardinals players when James Becher was the defensive coordinator and here we are again with a free agency period that has seen the giants bring in several players who are familiar to defensive coordinator. Patrick Graham bring in a special teamer innate. Abner who played for years for head coach. Joe Judge Bring in an offensive Lineman who played for Jason Garrett and who played in New England where you know where Joe Judge was familiar with him and also their big signing at cornerback is a guy that Dave gettleman drafted do you. I see some advantages especially in this this crazy year where we don't know what the calendar GonNa look like. We don't know when these teams are going to be available. I mean I see this as fairly predictable when you have a rookie head coach and I also see some advantages to to to that familiarity. Do you do you have a problem with any of it. Why see the advantage to? I mean you know you don't know if you're going to have an off season calendar right now doesn't look like you will so I kind of get it but I also think that it's a safe way of doing things I mean I understand you know. Look you're you know the guy you're comfortable with what he can. Do you know what he can do. You know it's it's kind of like you know if I were to hire you as a writer. I know what kind of writer you are. What you bring to the table and I don't have to worry about your work whereas if I'm bringing on board brand new writer now I have to. Maybe pay a little bit more attention to what that person does. So I understand the philosophy with that. Said they did this last year and it didn't really work for them and I'm just concerned about history repeating itself because look it didn't work last year now. I don't know if it was because the team was bad and they didn't coach these guys up. Or what exactly happened but because of what happened last year. I'm a little squeamish about the same approach that they're taking from last year. I don't blame you patty. I do think you know there's a little bit of a difference because you've got guys who are still you know guys who are in in their late twenties. You're not bringing in a thirty five year old Antoine. But you're not bringing in guys who you who are beyond their best years and I guess as I said it's sort of predictable first year head coach. I would agree with you that I don't like to see it. You know year after year after year at some point you you have to move on and you realize that you have your core guys in simply scout and judge guys on talent but I guess as I said. I think this is Kinda predictable and I don't have a problem with it with the first year head coach. Well I mean you're starting over with a new coaching staff. I get that and you know but I'm a little squeamish because like I said it didn't work last year for them. Marcus golden was really I think the only signing that they brought in from Arizona that paid off dividends? And then if you go back the year before Michael. Thomas was the only signing that they brought in Michael. Thomas had connections within Luana Romo who was the defensive backs coach at the time. So yeah there are some advantages but to do that for every single pick. I. I just think that that's the safe way to address roster needs and you know people ask me. Why have the giants been so good with the draft and not so much with free agency and I can't help but wonder if that's the reason why could be Patty? But all we can do at this point is is cross. Our fingers hope that the giants have done better in free agency. This time around. You know I I look at it. And I think they probably didn't get the premier player it at any of the positions that they where they draft or where they were. They went out and signed player. But I think that comparatively from where they were to where they are. They have at least gotten better. Yeah they've gotten better at least on paper but really you know we were saying the same thing last year edge so I'm going to reserve judgment until do even more film work than what I been doing. And B. I see how these guys are playing. I mean right now. We don't know for certain what Pat Graham is going to do on defense. We don't know for certain. Would Jason Garrett is going to do on offense so we can say on paper? It looks good but you know you could say that for just about every other team sure all we can do is all we can do is wait until we see guys on the field you know whenever they get Whenever that takes place if maybe that's not going to be until training camp. Maybe that's maybe it's longer than that. We don't know but Giants fans on as we as Patty mentioned at the top of the show. We hope you guys stay safe. Follow the guidelines. Do what you can to protect. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Giant voids
"Yeah and everyone welcome to another episode of the orange black insider bengals podcast. I'm anthony kazan's <hes> and i am joined <hes> kind of as the mystery man but right as usual my co host john barren johnny there how you doing buddy well. I'm giving you a compliment <hes> again you know for those obviously who have been tuning in live and who day everybody everybody. I'm seeing a lot of people started starting to join the live youtube chat. Who'd all of you good to have you with us. As as usually are as we record this show i just wanna throw this disclaimer out to those of you who may be new to this show or those who are longtime listeners and are kind of wondering what's been going on the last few weeks in terms of maybe a little difference in audio and for those who watch youtube a little difference in video that sort of thing youtube and google hangouts kind of for loop we had been using that platform for the past few years and <hes> they changed everything as of august first so we are kind of scrambling to come up with different <hes> to to keep up and and come up with the platform that something that resembles the platform that we usually <hes> have for you all what we're what we're trying to do. Obviously keep the live show component own it. There are a number of bengals fans. Join us live and we love interacting with them. We love hearing the comments. Obviously they love interacting with each other and joining live talking about the bengals goals in in our discussion topics. I love seeing john's beautiful face as well as his buddy randell. If you remember randall the the spelt gentleman behind john <hes> we you know obviously like to have him via video. The audio quality needs to be there and we're trying different software pieces. Were doing a lot of research coach trying to put this stuff together to make sure that we give a similar anti great product <hes> coming for going forward so thanks for being patient with us. The past ask few weeks were tying. The loose ends up. We have been working on things behind the scenes. Hopefully you're still enjoying the show given some of the things that have been happening but we appreciate appreciate your patients. We appreciate your listenership. Go ahead and subscribe to our youtube channel and all of our audio channels. I tune stitcher spotify. However you listen into our podcast. We appreciate that liza rating also if you want to get in touch with us and let us know hey yeah we really do appreciate the live component. The live <hes> <hes> chat component all that kind of stuff. We'd love to hear feedback on that or if you're more into just listening after the fact let us know that as well we wanna hear feedback on the show always looking to improve always looking to give a good product everybody so we appreciate everybody's support as we go forward. We have a jam packed show tonight right and just a couple of minutes. We will have ed valentine of espy. Nations big blue view the giants website joining us. You'll be joining us via phone and we'll be talking about at the upcoming matchup with the giants and the bengals the preseason home opener for the cincinnati bengals and obviously a a lot to talk about there will be talking about the performance against the redskins and some news and notes with some other players so <hes> excited to do that john. I want to thank you because i know you've been kind of working with me behind the scenes and being patient with things so appreciate all that you do my man then the guy's like my microphone is is fine like i might sound underwater the past couple of weeks my sound water episode but <unk> get audio's coming organs stuff right now and by various season have things slowly sailing that that is definitely the goal and we we do have i believe we have on the line speaking of our special guests. We have ed valentine from from big blue view there. Hey good <hes> we're doing. We're doing well. It's anthony kazan's on my co host john sharon so hopefully breath. You can hear us both pretty well. It's great to have you with us. Let's just let's just dive right into it. The bengals host the giants coming up here in the dress rehearsal. You and i have kind of engaged in conversations behind the scenes. <hes> i guess we gotta start here because there are some sour feelings about two particular other players potentially from both sides of the fence john jerry and bobby hart <hes>. I asked you this in a post. You graciously helped us out with the the the five questions but i'd love to hear you kinda verbalize potentially some positives from those players that bengals could maybe latch onto because those those guys seem to be having inside track to the left guard spot starting spot and the right tackle starting spot for the bengals. It's funny you have mentioned to you in some other forums. I can't jerry is not a bad n._f._l. Spell player all right at least he wasn't. I mean he's been out of the league krieger. I don't know why he couldn't find a job as backup somewhere a year ago. After after the giants moved on from him jerry started for the giants for at least four years. He's a decent n._f._l. Oh guard or at least he was he's. He's a decent pass blocker not a very good run blocker. He's a guy that that you know stays pretty quiet in the locker room. He's a pro. He's you know he's the guy that that. I don't have a problem with this. You know he just as the the giants developed their offensive line they they wanted better run blocking. They wanted more athleticism and they moved on from jerry but i i don't have. I don't have any issues with him as an n._f._l. Player i think the guy that that giants fans have issues with bobby hard for the simple reason that that in two thousand seventeen bobby heart good in front of me in in training camp and made the claim that he was the best rate tackling football out lost his job after six or seven games ask and by the end of the city didn't wanna play he he refused to practice or suit up for the for the final game of the season and and and got himself cut so giants fans have issues with v._r. So those are the only guys the bengals for your of guys and actually defensive coach this off season when the bengals hired lou interim defensive coordinator and assigned b._w._i. Which of those guys were youth johnston more about <hes> t money of things it to carry win by far kerry. Win is a guy that kyrie win plays really hard. He came to the giants. I think in two thousand wasn't fourteen as an undrafted free aging and you kept sort of looking at this guy and thinking. How does he make a roster every year because he's not all that talented allen did. There's nothing special about him. The only thing special about kerry winning hearts plays p plays really hard. He does anything anything you ask him to do. You'll play special teams and do a really good job of it is one of those guy that he's not going to star for. You not gonna put a ten but you're gonna put him on the field and he's going to give you effort. He's gonna give you everything that he has and for a backup guy. That's playing fifteen fifteen or twenty snaps in a game. You'll know what he's doing any gives you effort and you can't have curl more than that so for me by far it it carry win. I think he's a guy that bengals fans will like talking with valentine of big blue view and the valentine's view podcast. I was privileged enough to be a part of that. Both this podcast and ed's podcast are part of the s._b._a. Nation family of football podcast awed cast so great to have ed with us talking about the new york giants new york football giants talking talking about the dress rehearsal coming up. We'll get to the game itself itself in just a minute at again i'm going to i'm going to ask you a little bit kind of a similar question to what i asked for the five questions but i think it's still worth discussing and obviously that's luana room. Oh there's there are a lot of connections that were kind of brought up as we engaged in discussions discussions about this matchup in these two teams in these two teams really are closely related different conferences divisions all that good stuff so you now now and a remote in spending time with the giants but it's his really his first true stint as an n._f._l. Defensive coordinator <hes> you you know he was an interim guy so your thoughts on him. This is this inexperienced bengals staff including an romo in the post that he's going to be taking with the team. Mm-hmm is there. Is there some reason to be confident for from a bengals fans perspective with anwr coming over as the coordinator. It's just interesting because i think that the reason he ended up with this job is because taylor worked with anna room. Oh in miami miami you know a few years back. I was a little bit surprised to see in a room and get a job as a defensive coordinator. You're he seemed like we really got a chance to talk to him last year but he seemed like a very quiet. You kinda guy not got a guy that sort of jumped up in front of you and got noticed it. It's just hard for me. What kind of coach he is because he didn't have much to work mark with last year in the giants secondary. Just wasn't very good witch. Which when you look at the roster this year they completely turned it over the only guy who's back from last year's ginormous jenkins so it's hard for me to judge anteroom. Oh for the simple reason is in it that we only had a small sample size and the giants didn't really have much of anything to work with a year ago and we gotta talk about the quarterback man. What is the plan of being jones going forward this year and your expectations for him. I guess the short turbine. You're many well. I think my guess is we talk about gained three as a dress rehearsal but you guys have seen how innovative themes are treating the pre season right now. I'm gonna guess you'll see more daniel jones on on thursday night then you will be li- manning although petzschner were has has played that close to the vest every time somebody asked him about that he just always will reveal itself. You geico figure it out when you see so but i'm gonna i'm. I'm expecting jones to play quite a bit tomorrow. As for the long term plan everybody has a different idea of what it should be went. Daniel jones should take over. There are those who think jones should be the week one starter in arrogance to think that jones should take over the first time the giants lose two games in a row and you know there are those who think eli manning should be run out of town three or four years ago but the giants rate we are wrongly believe any lie manning still think they can win the u._i. Manning if they put talent around him if they put a good offensive line in front of him which they believe they've done for the first time in a long time you know finally given him an offensive line that it makes him comfortable way. I think this is going to go. Is your eye manning's going to start the season. As long as the season goes well for the giants as long as they're playing reasonably good football and as long as they're in playoff contention realistic playoff contention i believe he will continue to play if and when they fall out of contention or if they get off to a one six start like they did last year one and seven you start then there's no reason for many to play the knee simply have to go to jones and i think that's i think that's how it's gonna go comas. The giants consider themselves go to be a playoff contending team today with you like talking with ed valentine of big blue view and the valentine's view podcast part of the s._p. Nation family of podcasts which <hes> this podcast is part of as well good to have ed with us talking about the quote unquote dress rehearsal coming up here <hes> ed. It's it's really difficult to kind of. Sit here and talk about you know. What are you looking to see out of out of a preseason game. I mean obviously you wanna see the lower end depth chart guys you wanna see who maybe make some place to <hes> make kamenica rosser bid but these teams are kind of in a lot of people's is in a similar boat but potential rebuild coach early if not starting their new tenure with the team <hes> you know a lot of some veterans that are maybe on the hot seat a little bit so mean i guess what what are giants fans hoping you too and the giants themselves what what are they hoping to take away from this game because obviously the wins and losses don't truly matter in the summer but what are they looking to really achieve or take away aside from staying pretty healthy well. I think you always want in whatever limited fashion your starters play. You want to see something. That looks like competent football. Something gives you confidence going forward forward for example in the opening preseason game for the giants. Starting offense in the starting defense basically played one. You're you're on offense. The giants went three and out in on defense. The evil belong driving touchdown last last friday against the bears same scenario where the offense basically plate one series the defense played a little bit longer than that but but you gotta touchdown drive out of the offense and you've got a stop for a field goal you know out of the defense so so you saw you saw some better play. You saw some competent play and i think that's that's all you want. Out of. Your starters is something that looks like incompetent play but for me at this point won't be what tomorrow night will be nine days away from teams having to set their fifty three man dan rosters so it's all about looking for those guys at the end of the roster. You know those guys. Every teams got bobo players. Every tamed got decisions to make every teams looking for help across the league so for me. It's all about those guys who are going to win. Those last year roster spots you know one player on either side of the ball that bengal span should keep out for me. Not just off color has john roster. Who who is that guy in order to be name name no more for tomorrow night well. I don't know if i don't know if it's a guy that's exactly what you're you're talking about here but the guy that i think anyone across the n._f._l. Should probably be aware of at this point. What is cory ballantyne. The sixth round pick out washburn. If you know his story the giants drafted him in the sixth round. You went out that night with sprint twain simmons and they were victims of a drive by shooting in which ballantine was hurt. His friend simmons was was killed and this kid since he came back and since he rejoined the team this kid has done nothing nothing but shown class in the way that he handled himself in the way that he stood in front of the media and explained what happened you know he's tried to move forward and right now the amazing thing about this he he's not a sixth round draft pick he. He doesn't look anything like a six round draft. Pick out of a division two school. This kid looks like a player. This kid looks like a really good n._f._l. Player you'll see him at corner. You'll see him returning kickoffs. I think this kid he's a class that and i. I think this is going to be a really good n._f._l. Player i mean he's a great story just because of the of the background but but i think that in the end that that story might just become part of the part of the background because this kid can play so i i vaguely now. It's kinda jogged my memory a little bit. I remember that story so i'm gonna kinda end on this in. It's kind of a package question because there is <hes> there were a couple of questions by one of our listeners in our live chat. Basically asking a is from will smith is going to catch the ball for the giants wide receiver. If you know <hes> with golden tate suspended shepherd hurt who's left so i mean that's part of the question but the overarching question is what what are your the expectations for the giants. You know this game aside this preseason game aside. What are what are your expectations for. The giants going forward in twenty nineteen is is this a team that <hes> may may make a surprising playoff push because of some weakness in the division or in some turmoil in dallas or is this a team still that <hes> maybe a year away and will turn the reins over to daniel jones in twenty twenty parts of that the first part is is to wed receiver question and i think what you're going to see from the giants and even with golden state in the lineup after his four-game suspension benching. You're going to see a team. That doesn't rely on one guy. That doesn't force the ball to one wide receiver. I mean his greatest data's dealt beckham was when you watch the giants at times it was obvious that they were forcing the football to him to the detriment tournament of the offense may be to the detriment times of eli manning and and just throwing the ball in his direction probably at times when they shouldn't. You're going to see a team that spreads the ball around a lot more. They're going to try to to match up seek one barclay and in a lot of different ways you run game past game. I think you might see evan. Ingram who's in third year as tight end if he can stay healthy. I think we've only sort of scratched. The surface of what that young men can do as a pass receiver in the n._f._l. He may be the guy i wind up being the number one receiver on this team but i think the giants are by and large spread the ball around going to try to create a lot the traffic in the passing game with a lot of crossing routes in underneath stuff but droughts and and all of that kind of stuff and just try to create openings with the way the design the passing game so because they don't have that that one dominant imminent outside guy anymore even even with golden state and even with sterling shepherd so as for expectations for the season. You're you're right. I think you mentioned that the bengals and the giants are a little bit in the same kind of in the same kind of place where they're building. They're trying to they're trying to establish something and it doesn't look like much but they point to two thousand seventeen. I mean you know when when everything went sideways for the giants they won three games and they point to last year and they say we won five games and we should have one. We should have won a few more because we couldn't make stops on defense in the last two minutes of the game and they're probably right there in and i think this year they're looking at if they can win seven eight nine games in progress. I think that's what you're looking at for the giants rienscher not looking at a team. That's an eleven or twelve win team but i don't think you're looking at a team. That's three win team either. I think you're looking at it team that that it's getting better. That's got reason to think it's pointed in the right direction but might might be a year way. We've we we have to find out what happens. When daniel jones eventually takes over whether that's at some point this year whether it's a year from now we've got to find out what kind of n._f._l. I feel quarterback is but you know but i think there's reason for giant fans to think that they're going in the right direction. Well all of that sounds very familiar around us <hes> with the with the exception of the first round quarterback <hes> that's all of that sounds sounds really really familiar ed. Thanks for your time and <hes> just for our listeners. How can people find you find your work following you on social media <hes> and <hes> obviously listen to our little interaction not only on this show but from your show as well valentine's us podcast as you guys and you find links to it on on the big new website you can follow me on twitter at valentine underscore ed or at <hes> at big blue view <hes> you know it's big dot com for for anybody that wants to read about the giants so and we appreciate ear <hes> we appreciate you guys have having me on the show that <hes> that the anthony and i recorded earlier we actually recorded or earlier today that show tomorrow morning so it's a kind of a game date preview show so hopefully folks will give that a listen as well awesome well well. Thanks for the time and i know it's late around your your neck of the woods so appreciate you tune in you. <hes> you joining us tuning in and given all your insight and i i have to have some reason or enjoy enjoy the game tomorrow and we'll hopefully we'll catch up soon. Take it easy at valentine from big blue view the espionage in new york giants site so pretty pretty excited to have him obviously very entertaining guy very knowledgeable guy and does so go check out his podcast and we're excited to have him on ours as well <hes> pretty cool. We'll stuff and obviously that's of the stuff we have not been able to do given the fact that there's only been two preseason games so hopefully we'll get some more guests from the other side of the defense throughout the rest of what's left of the preseason as well as definitely during the regular season so our thanks to ed valentine <hes> again go check <unk> out his staff and if you're new to this show you can get this show on. 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You are obviously mixed reid john. I mean <hes> you get a win. You get a win against a team on the road. You get a win against the team that you feel. Maybe talent talent wise is either a little lesser than you. Maybe around the same wavelength. Is you so either way. It's and it's a guy who's familiar with a lot of against a guy. I who's familiar with a lot of players on your team so you gotta like that but the penalties the poor play on the offensive line's still theme your thoughts talk initially offers you into really evaluate what was going on with all the palaces and yet discounters oculus son does the head referee would just take the the guns on camera were younger but we ever this like yeah it was. It was tough watching it. It's cardi greece's palley ap apparently after labor i drive at the end of the first drive served as the world every watching it got up working a lot of things in the two new stars michael jordan's injury and return some positive things pass protection for the most part was at the end of the order starting to move the ball better but i mean the storyline is obvious during filming in the back of the game looked so much smoother offense looks on or poise with him under center with the rest of the second team you read it took advantage of the reds second-string defense and there was a really big difference between i guess going up against washington back against kansas city back because obviously washington <unk> dangles b. s. seventeen nothing second half run mostly under finley so that was going to see for him to release absence of as the backup quarterback and the guys who spent drew sample at a lot better in this game naming. We'll actually showed after having a nice performance against the city should have of sound because again that probably brown and the defensive a lot more ask. I live a lot better proceed without or carlos or carlos awesome carry win jordan willis they booked up midway dream <unk> like i copied linebacker <unk> <hes> in preseason so far so definitely not a takeaway specifically goes with the first or graphics played a live michael. Jordan played a lot of positives that guy's pretty quickly in a win it also that was later portion of the game so as you weigh the pros and cons in this game and i don't want to spend a lot of time talking about it because we've got more to get to but obviously it's a win and it's it's. It's a game so we gotta cover it but i mean as you go through the pros and cons of the game right. You mentioned in a lot of them. The rookies getting playing time and playing well at times. The alex ericsson punt return some of the big the big the big plays from different people bowl you go on the other side the sloppy play the inconsistency of the offensive line continued concerns there again i. I got to ask this from probably asked you last week i mean where are you more leaning towards after now a better performance and to win probably against a lesser team but on the road <hes> despite all the issues and some of those positives we've seen are are you. Are you more encouraged orig- this week obviously because it's win or you still kind of saying it's preseason a lotta guys out of the lineup. I don't know what to think. Firms <unk> how inconsistent this team is capable of being. I'll be tweet basis. Obviously having all those guys continued to be out to rest her compassionate reasons that definitely cloud cloud evaluation against but again it really could depend on just sooner plan on we tweeted tweet basis and what works and what doesn't yourself to figure out how they gonna just to you know things <unk> end up going the way they want to running. It continues to not <hes> workout early in the game is we're going to be on you know more pass centered offense than the beginning when you don't have i for asia green on john rouse. How can that be and yes <unk> them. Be consistent is dumping surprises. He adds moment so business to start. Is nothing really blows out the water every year. So you mentioned finley's performance at believe. He was twenty of twenty six for for one hundred and fifty yards two touchdowns zero interceptions last week against the chiefs. He had one touchdown one interception but i think he completed like his first. You know our many benign passes or so so a pretty solid performance aside from a late interception against kansas city in week one. Is this a product product of a you know on the flip side. Eighty dollars throws that pick six. There's debate on who you wanna blame on that but <hes> <unk>. I guess with finley are are you chocking that up more to you know pretty pretty decently talented college player who is now making leap to the pros and going up against reserves and playing well as he should against reserve players or i. I don't know i mean are are you. Are you overly confident in what you're seeing with ryan finley at this point in time or is this just kind of fool's gold at the end of the day when you look at what's been doing nothing to out of the ordinary now the things that he's doing well this stuff. We're not because he looks very common. Poised auburn. He's able to reset his designs out very rudimentary things enough were back still in the fact of the is twenty is all going to be twenty five in december. He was now the one of the oldest prospect community n._f._o.'s year so national league in six years of cost <unk> time to develop a certain trace but the things that he doesn't doesn't do as by he's going to continue sale. The benches arm is not that lie accumulate chris down bill that much i think jake moscow of tweeted this out shortly shortly after the game the difference between him finley thrown outside the numbers in between the numbers is very vast majority of image production come from honestly sleet became really see everything without you know from from the broadcast angle but most of the time he's really checkable down eighteen and everything in front of him and not really pushing the ball the big red flags in the fact that doesn't have tremendous arm strength get any kimberly fence windows and some of those those he's making right now those windows those will be a lot harder when you have a sturdy out there in the also the things we received right now we can be hurt by these things that really supposed to do well early in the numbers the great but we're not where he challenged dog if they're still sending a this year or maybe new york that so we'll be fine they do be clear and to be crystal clear. I was not that was not the implication of i know you don't think that but art right right right <hes> and it's been a it's been a week for comments from the peanut gallery. I'll tell you <hes> so so i guess my thing when i look at this game and i look at the scope of the preseason with the cincinnati bengals because i like the fact that they're resting guys. <hes> and dave dave told us right. I mean they've been open. If we're healthy we think we can win right and so. How do you stay healthy restroom important players. You rest guys who are nicked up. Your guys are fall under both categories but i still worry that some some of these guys even if they are veterans. Some of these guys aren't going to potentially see any preseason action. Is that a valid concern or is that some especially for a veteran or do you feel that that is something where it's maybe just kinda like well. I mean it's just extra snaps in. It's more risk why why do that in the one guy that both john ross fact that a lot of talk about him in the youtube jeb by the way like ross pricing seasonal vic- gets help the next week maybe driver to for four but like i don't really care if she doesn't play these players leap out there all same thing probably the last night kind of point <hes> adrian up playing again. I want to go on sale. The osce can't but i think it was the guy like ross you just wanna see how alleys in the system as much now he's grew because he's issuing them as always bit whenever office he wasn't as the com- the whole confidence isn't going to match league without playing so you wanna see there'd be just wanna see you can actually produce something you something to fall back on in eh on your competence with so for me the one guy that i wanted to see out there i want to see this week has practice this week but unfortunately he got pushed off the uh up until next week. Circus artists another guy who said that <hes> he might even stay on the unable to perform us through drought. I six weeks of the season so what we w evanston well in his absence established as that started but as far as guys who just haven't been able to blurt the ryan anderson. I have no idea what he is unlikely. They're causing within carl. Carl was same thing but yet really rothley against the one guy not happy because he's not widely her going to have any right and so you know week one comes around. You've been resting these guys. The hope is at most if not all of them are available so that you actually are trotting out. Maybe even a better product on the field the old what you've been showing in the preseason one more kind of question slash topic to talk about before we move onto another. You know this the first two weeks in his specially we we mentioned earlier when we kind of started talking about this game. The flags and the penalties are just ridiculous where i sit ah some of them are very ticky tack calls and this year it seems as if the offensive or holding is going to be called quite frequently but it also there's a little bit of an indictment that has to be pointed out that you know the talent talent level at certain spots that are gaining these penalties <hes> that's worrisome but overall. I kind of think that it's a little bit flag. Happy maybe even the reps working working out some kinks in the preseason but also some issues in terms of personnel ability level all of that your thoughts. It's not going to be surprised about seeing flags and breezy suspicious. What happens yearbook hammer hammer down. Guys has that you know this season. We're gonna fly now the same exacting in the rate of the season but looking back on some of the holy cost line the muslim if not all we'll probably not gonna call season honestly if you wanna get into the whole specimen. What is i see a hold that mic overall what constitutes the address could be looking looking for because most of the time it's like is this if the guy's hands are too wide and his the defender from sending again with her melissa must've olds from talking about c.'s john miller even one. The defenders had no problem getting off. It was just the fact that happened a little bit later. They're it just looked like he was prohibitive with with outside and when you look back on replace or not necessarily olds what's that you normally see in irregular n._f._l. Game and i think one of the guys last season posted at sixty percent of komo running place at all except one were on running for that as well but obviously wanna see a lot of flags in preseason because it's already increases the overall <unk>. That's the nature of greece is going to be a lot of flags wrestling hammer the idea that you know please don't do this season so is unwinnable battle for for years. I guess through it. I guess i don't think most goals <unk> all holes that we saw on weeks. You will be called so far. They responded loss pretty much one of the worst nights possible for a for a player <hes> ah speaking of c._j. Who's alma <hes> one catch one yard in three penalties two of which i think at least two of them were hold so <hes> not not not exactly how you wanna drop night for for your newly inked free agent acquisition there but re aquisition. I guess i should say but <hes> <hes> you know overall. There are positives or negatives <hes> it's preseason so sloppy. Play is to be expected a bit but bangles get the win against the redskins twenty three thirteen. Thanks to a couple of big. Special teams plays in some good play by ryan finley. A couple of nice plays on defense dance and obviously holding a team to thirteen points on the road is a great improvement after allowing thirty eight points on the road to achieve team the week before i'm going to segue i'm gonna i'm gonna try and segue from the washington game in into the giants game with some specific news about a player that i wanted to address and we wanted to talk about one of one of the fan. Favourite players has been christian westerman herman. A guy is especially since the departure of of you know kevin zeitler whatever's been going on with clint boling. He is a guy that a lot of fans had hoped hope to see get some extensive playing time for whatever reason there are a lot of rumors or some other kind of rumblings. He has not been able to crack the starting lineup and but when he she has whether it's in preseason or brief stints in regular season games he has played well for those who do not know really over the last week there was. I don't know if you want to call it a threat. I don't know what you want to call it but christian westerman basically left the team on a on an exempt list and was contemplating in retirement. We don't really know the details as to what we don't really you know. It could be a family issue it could be. He's lost lost the the love of football. I i don't know he he may feel that. He's way too far down the pecking order of the depth chart. I want to get your thoughts. Let let let me get get your thoughts initially on what's going on there. He he has returned to the bengals so <hes> he has made a decision to continue to work out with the team. We'll see if he ends up making the team in where he's at in the depth chart but i wanna get your overarching thoughts on what's going on with westerman where he's at in the depth chart battle and then. I've got another question for you but let's start there. John i think with western hit supporter of his like you said always been on the offensive organization manage because fans just see what happens on sunday for the most part like you said he's always been a game where you get the job done practically one of their better offense climbing for the past three or four years when that he has a dog so promise lesson. We're always you know how meshes with the the rest of the n._f._l. Coaching staff and there are some people who initially save me eat dogs like jim turner has something to do with this in the valley western retirement kemper retired and maybe that maybe is passed under w but then western is he's already had coaches and he's never been able to exceed it has section of the of the line so i think there has to be just a cartesian of that doesn't your mental psyche as a player as someone who was a very good college players who was drafted sullivan probably should be starting at this point has never been exceeded anything more than just the back of business one four years in the n._f._l. It's a little bit longer than the average but you just never are able to exceed your own expeditions yourself for whatever reason and it's not just one coaches three coach coached him and in that opportunity so initially when when he was dealing with these personal issues whatever my first thought was that he just he just realized that he just doesn't have it takes what it is. He's just doesn't have that driving mortar really ascend were wants to be but the fact is back now puts every one of the things up in the area the elliott knowing what was going on it was something temporary <unk> that he he could play through but now he has some sort of surgeon conference to sell them and both five or six days missed honestly like a lion i want to save set but it will be so now for him to work as laid back on barossa then if he stayed paid and trying to battle for back spots but regardless it was tough for him to really you know how they like michael jordan how much how much rested john lewis. It's getting even more of a question about what really is. One of the bengals plants in already been on the roster three years and honestly. I don't think he's all of a sudden bad for whatever reason but he's on the field honestly i i had a lot to do with his initial decision and yeah right. I mean on one from one standpoint. If you wanna talk about the passion of football and all of that <hes> anybody who's played sports at any reasonably high level can probably tell you that practices aren't that fun but the games are awesome you know and and if you're practising practising practising practicing you're not really getting any game time <hes> that may wear on you. Maybe that's what's going on. <hes> you know hopefully this second. Scenario isn't the case where it's something with his family or friends or something that caused him to not be able to concentrate on football. I think a lot of us who <hes> have had something happen to to them or something going on that is affecting them emotionally. It makes it very difficult to concentrate at work so <hes> you know that from all of that can be understood. The rumblings that we've heard before this incident has gone on here is been. He has trouble grasping the the playbook. Sometimes he's not getting the right blocking assignments. That sort of thing hasn't been truly substantiated but that some of the stuff. We've heard i guess i want. We're kinda. Wanna go next kind of don't want to but i think it's something that needs to be discussed because it may be a tin foil hat type of thing but clinton who retired he had a health issue. You got this this kid westerman who's contemplating retirement <hes> you've got you know ah the john jerry coming in late as a coach favorite. I don't know very jim turner effect. I hate need to bring up his past but there is a stigma there. There's a couple of stigmas air any of that is is it play his coaching style will playing favorites with john jerry any of that includes people who who didn't know mean falling as they knew that i wasn't a fan of hiring hiring determined for the things to happen in past and because of his tracker. It's hard to give him the benefit of the dallas. Something like this comes up but i'm not willing to jump to inclusion ultimately tied up of him. I think with perkins may purchase of berry practice squad caliber player who had a completely the outside chance to make the roster guys just like you know beat them back. Any more. I want to pursue other interests in my life and impulse not bad at the same thing with christian westmin- again like to have three offensive line coaches in four years and none of them seem to display any sense of doing it probably anger a lot of people in that situation you don't think of being being like everyday workers but jeffrey managers who completely underutilized you and you have no way of getting around that and and you don't think you have this mix of <unk> demand traitor released. It's like this and maybe whatever junior has done. A coach really pushed into that point. They're not sure what fully win this on the like who unfortunately i gotta go innocent until proven guilty. Yeah there is a comment or in the in youtube chad <hes> the aries three two three. What is his track record. Well we could go on for a long time. Go go go. Go look him up. Gogel elim <hes> and you can find some stuff that he's been involved with. <hes> you know i think obviously respected as a football coach <hes> on a variety of levels but that's <hes> <hes> you know that there are some other things at play here so that's why i guess that needs to be brought up but christian westerman is back with the bengals at least four now. We'll see what his chances. <music> are with making the final roster. This is the orange black insider bengals podcast. He's john. I'm anthony kazan's we have have had a jam packed show talking about the win against the redskins. We've been talking about the the giants game coming up. We'll continue to talk about that and then we <hes> had ed valentine from big blue view join us and and talk about all things giants the other side of the fence we got it. We got to hear from him. So that was pretty cool. You can get this show on itunes. 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I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college allege football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what i mean is its own spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters pro wrestling the unfashionable pants we warren middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announced fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast snap john i guess it's time to time to talk about the upcoming matchup with the bengals hosting the first time they're playing at home in twenty nineteen the first home game with the zac taylor that paul brown stadium will have a bengals game so that's kind of exciting. Are you going to that game. Okay doc okay. I'm not either shocker but it should be an interesting game. <hes> you know this on paper. I think a lot of people would say. I mean especially because it's at home at the bengals should win this game again. Win losses in the preseason. Don't really mean all that much but you know. I don't wanna wanna sound like a broken record and ask you once again. You can watch and stuff but i'll ask kind of a similar question. I asked ed earlier. What do you think the bengals should be looking to achieve specifically this week. If you could pick out like two aspects that you would like that you think that they they will be focusing on and that they would like to walk. Walk away from this game and say we did that. We feel good about the result year giants nothing to be scared of things. I just wanna see some some form of consistency salisbury line <hes> we're not sure at least meet you are not sure about who's starting at left guard inside of the sweet they was billy christ in jordan taking revson center of respectively so that might be out there along with audrey smith and left tackle the sweet in oregon salivating cussin' but i think the focus price starts there and all the different defensible i i think one of charter remit say homework mark as much as possible without really adjusting how they won shape up defense i think nickel the most part of this character building for most this off season and <hes> limiting them out linebackers on the field is always for the bengals the surrounding joel berry in nickel says amid limiting number excluding asking butts off i think that the prosekey on terms of their own self evaluation and and at least competitive with giant cemex relatives i like you said it's kind of in the symbols and probably looking at last place by special in their respective versions of questions on about the future but overall the chinese team is not very talented and i didn't wanna say that front end but it's like they lost it back on the game. Come inside <unk> lost. You'll be leading a major monitors. Word of the defense is nothing special in the bengals off. It is at least terms on the or <unk> again suffered scary of won't be tremendously tremendously hard for the bengals crusher was a rebuff dolphins live unfortunately <unk> line. Isn't that the better than it used to be so this is a game in the regular season of the bengal should win from the regular season but i think they just wanna see some form of sold their line over them. Xbox scott's is i'll be there tomorrow night. <hes> have fun scott <hes> at least you'll probably see a lot of players play more extensively than some of the more higher profile players play more extensively than you have the first couple of games here but how how far do you think that this game is going to go in the determination of some of these open. Starting earning spots may be on the offensive line. Some of these back end roster spots or is just one of those rare preseason where you know. This is kind of an open competition thing new coach coach. It's gonna last four weeks before you know it takes all four games for the decisions to be made by this coaching staff awasthi situation like this the words of turner terrorists that they don't know him so ball snapped. We want sandwich osc alive five between the feinstein i i think i think we just assume that they're going to play this out and like you know under the last administration is if there enough like it was usually set by three week week three less refusing. The new office allows gonna be new seven carbon started. Eric garner tackled okay billy crisis pregnancy center bible joins probably gonna start with guard but the honestly don't know if those guys we can assume this being the competition but with new faces pre-everything kissing. Everything's really into the same because you can't have you can't feel bengals offer now without lingering hawking's wherever wherever he's hosting w properly in the annette starting high but you know the price eleven injury essentially story. There's a lot of unknowns right now. In terms of just the best position on on the of the defense paul george wilson carry win presumably. If only it'd be nice five presumably fighting that's five in and they keep in keep your brand the know how much brown plays early on the game because he was the first nicholas indicators well whether or not willis wing. It's the field. I mean indicators will house. The refuge with linebacker is gonna be when we get to the second <unk> cracking the reps in front jordan evans in base at that weakside linebacker spot nickerson in jackson still the fifth and sixth arbed <unk>. We're going to find out like you said starts going to play more aristide who fills the behind him over. We're gonna go good indication about where those vows are going for spencer meyer. There's a lot of talk by the way in the in the alive youtube chat in terms of what people are looking for <hes> better tackling and more tempo on offense will smith as <hes> l._l._p. Says i agree with will smith <hes> less penalties <hes> all that good stuff the question here. There's a question from spencer myers <hes> do we do. We need to see more from the offensive first team to understand this offense or zach hiding most of what will see in that that can be actually also oh <unk> asked about the defense because a lot of times defenses don't give they usually go vanilla throughout the preseason but <hes> i don't know do you do you buy into that notion. Uh i think we've seen more defense the offense specifically last week with how much how much stunts and different exotic russia they're using. It's washington that we're going to see going forward in game than skinny guys to opportunities astros not to carry auto started the brown person without jordan willis rental rental rambert men in providing some the saxo. I think defensively we've seen a lot of what's going to be in a regular season offense. I almost vanilla hovis right now. Because this is what it looks language doubt it is not really anything different last year so i think and we still have seen we've seen the full kim. Billion one-stop is is in particular because <unk> green and coding or playing for john ross christina doc. Id call out everything that you plan on for those starters with the the guys who are playing for them right now. The search do so. I think we see more of defense yeah so one of the things i'm keeping an eye on this week. <hes> in this was something we talked about. Maybe having a little discussion about doing a segment on but i don't. I don't think it needs to be harbored on that much. The the interesting way the bangles are approaching jeff driscoll. The school in his skill set. Obviously jeff driscoll's a really good athlete. He uses his legs while he's run the ball well he can. He can throw a little bit here as quarterbacks as has quarterbacks need to but <hes> i'm noticing that the bengals at least in practice are using him on special teams at wide receiver. Obviously is a quarterback act. It's almost like tatum. Hill of the saints tastes him hill if you if you're not familiar with him he's pretty big dude and he is a guy see that a lot of times on fourth and one he'll kind of do a wild cat type of formation. He doesn't things on special teams really unique player in the n._f._l. In a lotta autoways throwback guy in a lotta ways kind of a a creation of new innovative coaching. I is this. Is this how jeff driscoll's chris going to make the roster as a tatum. Hill kind of guy or is it. Just you know it's gonna be finley in dalton in that's that's that is going going to make the roster if he does go. They're going to carry if we're gonna keep driscoll. You can order by like you say using mary's other ways besides stacking dahlan's billion honestly but the thing about only carrying two quarterbacks that allows you to maximum of restraint slinky quarterbacks and you're able to keep similar receivers on key defensive levin's both carey when jordan willis any brown all of your assets so like i say trying to address they realized the only guy extended to the spot been wanting to be. You always going to make the matter of they need you. Did you have a very finley's there so they don't need driscoll as the quarterback doing right by him recognizing his extended beyond on the receiver especially as a running quarterback so i understand what they're trying to do but is it worth it for israel disappeared by you know detrimental to the roster in other areas of restraints in releasing potentially one or two very pointless at at your business. I'm not sure that it is but it's a really wanna before with plan. You is driscoll of the season on every single weekend of moldova's week for its be worth yeah. Obviously his roster spot might be determined upon egypt greens injury situation nation with they do on offensive line you mentioned maybe some of the guys that kill two birds with one stone from a roster spot perspective <hes> all that hestitate acetate be taken into account so interesting stuff with what's going on with jeff driscoll and a lot of things as the bengals are set to host the new york giants for what's known as the dress rehearsal so probably the most extensive action from starters that you'll see some faces will probably be returning some will not so <hes> you know still going to be very interesting game indefinitely worth watching more indy live youtube chat say. I got tickets to go <hes>. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go tomorrow so have a good time. Be safe if you're going. That's going to wrap it up for us john any any final thoughts before we close up shop. It's been a whirlwind wind episode to be sure we'll share this. I was shocked as anyone when i heard that bentsen had died <hes> fortunately with motorcycle the crash of leaderless emmanuel amanullah i or glared how analysts said he saw through chilling family nice cremated it s perspective. How could this kind of but <hes> besson. I gotta jersey from him because i think it was after that she does nine season in the two thousand nancy. There's obviously the the one year that i think immediately obstacles as mind and almost all erupting yards on three hundred over three hundred times. I think he was probably the last <hes> bell cow running back to carry a eighteen to a six hundred of his record and that season was completely on the back on the subject when when four players and coaches talk about him they talk talk about how hard it was. How admitted wasn't in practice in the locker room but like the guy was very special athlete by any means since the word word but just the just watching him play exemplified how art were because he wasn't four-five. Ask harder than anybody else and forget his size that was depressing to watch and how how incredible workload was with the bengals because was so limited at that time it was all the army's torn apart do injuries but the work that put into the bengals plus incredible to watch and just one of the real last true also also like the bird of two thousand so just just incredible player to watch just run hard every single three hundred plus nassar didn't they asked thank you for bringing that up and we had planned to talk about that and i'm glad glad you reminded me about that. You know i i'll take a quick trip down memory lane and i don't want to rehash some of the things that you spoke about because obviously i remember a lot of those. If for those <hes> i think john re tweeted it. There was a a tweet that was put out maybe by dove claiming <hes> talking about the <hes> when when when benson faced the bears i think it was nine late no non and the bears pretty pretty garbage at that point anyway but that was a game where you saw a guy that was just running possessed in you know what was really interesting and i was thinking about this in two thousand nine. If you remember the bengals had said benson johnson and then i think that same year they did they grabbed larry. Johnson and larry johnson had to fill in <hes> and and and kind of be a backup guy and he ended up having a a really big play against san diego than the san diego chargers. I was at that game so i remember that and <hes> you know just a you know a kind of a crazy year and i think back in in said said benson aside from <unk> been a pretty good guy went on the team and a good teammate kinda smile in a low key guy said benson is it kind of embodied and validated. Mike brown's stance on the scrap heap free agency approach right right <hes> he that if if you wonder why mike brown goes after these warmer high picks in hopes to get him on the cheap in and get maybe a couple of good years out out of look back to cedric benson it doesn't always work out for the bengals and i'm quite frankly more often than not. It doesn't <hes> you know i can. I can think of a bunch of different for new. There was a former bills linebacker that they tried to bring us for a while yeah. <hes> you know just a number of aren't maiden is is the guy i'm thinking of. It tried to bring him in you know they. They've done this before. In said benson was a guy as to that that validated mike brown's stance in this scrapheap approach and sometimes it's frustrating but sometimes it works out nicely said benson and was one of those guys was a good story for the bengals and <hes> you know it was a big reason for the bengals making the playoffs in indefinitely oh oh nine and and in two thousand eleven as well and i thought you made a good point john in terms of he was a guy that really helped prop up the quarterback situations nations in those two respective playoff years right yet carson palmer who had the elbow injury no way and then later in nine had the thumb injury injury and if you look at it you know kinda later in the year he was he was he was hand the ball off odd in a way. I don't know how they made that work. That was just weird but there was that situation and then of course twenty eleven the the transition to andy dalton so you know just a real shame guys my age which was my age when he passed away so that it's just it's crazy and life is short got enjoy it and unfortunately you said benson's was was very short but he will be remembered n._f. Fortunately that two thousand nineteen thousand nine bengals team now has experienced even more heart heartbreak heartbreaking chris henry died that year the team kind of rallied around that a little bit <hes> and then now a few years later you've got cedric benson and other big <hes> figure from from the team that that's gone so pretty sad news but what what was ten years ago i talk about how great fence wasn't allowed game. We never mentioned like good performances from bengals of do a hundred and six rushing yards on twenty. Let's have just lost by ten because heartbreaker do bad really stuffed up and i think if the jets while game but he was that was his best game the year of heard of so that only adds my bank his legacy yeah yeah i mean any other time. He run twenty one times for one hundred sixty nine yards at home in a playoff game. You win the game so go figure that one out but rest in peace we get a lot of our a._p. In the in the youtube chad dow said manson will be missed and <hes> you know unfortunately some bad news recently came our way in the bengals. Hopefully remember him the right way so whether that's a decal on the helmet like jason von stein says or some other way. Hopefully they do something to honor him this season. That's going to do it for us tonight. As i mentioned you can get the show on itunes institure on spotify on play on megaphone it's on youtube and since he jungle dot com there will be some updates a regarding the show and the cincy z. jungle podcast the s._p. 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Playing tag with Landon Collins? Talking with ODU receiver Travis Fulgham
"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of big blue view today's show. We have a couple of topics for you. We're going to talk about Landon Collins, and the fact that the giants have a decision to make on whether or not to franchise their star safety. We are also going to talk briefly about the recently announced decision by the giants to re-sign tight end. Scott Simonsen bringing him back for another year. Finally, we will talk to NFL draft prospect Travis full them a wide receiver from Old Dominion who is an interesting young man and an interesting NFL prospect full is a young. Man who has traveled the world, thanks to his parents being foreign service officers. He has lived in several countries didn't begin playing football. I believe until he's junior year of high school. So he remains somewhat new to the sport not as experienced as many players who are hoping to be drafted by NFL teams here in a few weeks. So with that said, let's get started here. And let's talk first about Landon Collins, we are now in the time period where the giants have to make a decision on whether or not they will use a franchise or transition tag on Collins who is entering his fifth NFL season and can be a free agent here next month once free agency opens should the giants decide not to tag him or be unable to reach a long term contract. With him. You know before free agency begins. I have said many times, and we'll stand by this that I believe that the giants need to put a tag on Collins to keep him out of the free agent market fact is if Collins gets to the free agent market he's going to have suitors he's going to get a big contract. The giants simply cannot afford to lose a twenty five year old three time Pro Bowl one time all pro safety you from a defense that frankly wasn't good enough in two thousand eighteen the giants need to be in a situation where they're adding talent not subtracting talent creating more holes, especially when you look at Collins who is still a young player at twenty five. He's a leader on that defense. He's a player that the giants simply must keep. So I am. I'm all in favor at this point of the giants using the franchise tag, which will cost them roughly an estimated twelve million or so against the salary cap. I don't have the exact estimate in front of me. It was in a post that we put together on big blue view the other day. So please go ahead and look for that. If you need the exact numbers also there's been some speculation with Collins about whether or not the giants should use the franchise, tag or the transition tag. And I don't wanna get into full blown explanations of what those tags are here in the podcast. Those again are in a story on big blue regarding Collins's. Potential free agency, the primary difference really the transition tag would cost the giants slightly less. But the transition tag would also allow Collins to negotiate with other teams. And would mean that the giants would not get compensation should Collins sign with another team. So the transition tag is an option might not be the best option. We'll have to see how that all plays out. But, you know, my strong feeling to be honest is that the giants need to put a tag on land in Collins to keep him out of the free agent market. They can go ahead after they tag him and continued into Goshi eight and try to come to a long term deal. But for me the giants have to do what they have to do in order to keep. Collins away from the free agent market. The the other news on on Monday or skews me on Tuesday. The giants announced the signing of tight end Scott Simonsen to a one year contract Simonsen really was their number three tight end a year ago. He's he's a useful player on special teams. He's a blocking tight end guy that can catch the ball in the short areas. The interesting thing as you watched Simonsen a year ago is that his skill set. Although he's less accomplished as a player less experienced his skill set mirrors that of Rhett Ellison the giants number two tight end. Who's also a blocking tight in a receiver pretty much insured areas of the field. And what it makes you wonder is if the giants would be considering moving on from Ellison who is. Entering the third year of a four year eighteen million dollar contract and carries a salary cap. Hit of more than five million dollars. Which is you know, to be honest a large amount of money considering the production that the giants get from red Ellison. I mean, he is a good player. But he's not a player that that really is one who should be chewing up a significant amount of your salary cap space. So it will be interesting to see what the giants do with red Ellison here as we get closer and closer to free agency and get to to that point in time where the giants have to make some financial decisions have to move some money around to to have salary cap space to make some moves here going forward into the two thousand and nine. Nineteen season. Okay. Giants fans. Let's switch gear here quickly. Let's talk to Travis full of Old Dominion what you're about to hear is an interview that was prerecorded that I did with Travis recently. Hopefully, you'll enjoy it. Everybody at and chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge half. My friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything in tech. News virtue is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seems smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. Okay. I'm joined now by Travis full them wide receiver from Old Dominion who is looking forward to participating in the NFL combine Travis welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, sir. So you on you participated. I believe in the senior bowl, my, correct. Yes there in how was how was that experience for you? You know, getting getting the participate there and getting comed- some NFL teams there. Oh, it was definitely a great expanse. The full out there with the best the best players in the country from all different schools. Definitely getting the chance to meet all probably thirteen up at the senior bowl. It was a grueling experience. But it was definitely worth it. Did you did you go out there? As far as your performance was concerned. Did you did you feel like you showed what you wanted to show unity during your time there? Yeah. For the most of it. I feel like I finish strong. But I definitely could have performed better. And you had a, you know, looking at at the statistics. And dude some research you had you had a big senior season at ODU. Was there? A was there a reason for for that for for the improvement? You think that you showed as a senior? This year things were just clicking for me. Also the. We hired New Year's coats, Jon Allen. I like you helped me a lot on and off the field. A lot about the receiver and how to. How to go about how to go about wide? How to go on my my daily routine of studying how to become receiver and said each game weeks? We now have to ask you. I saw the the YouTube clip of the block that you through where I think you you carry you carried the defensive back for about for about twenty yards. How much how much attention have you gotten for that play in interest? Explain to me quickly. What happened on that play? Oh has only test. I've gone for it was a Twitter. But. We were playing that you, and it was just a simple smokescreen, though receiver pretty serves as they Harper you cut the ball. And you know, he he may one guy, and I I have to stay on my block to the plays over. So that's that's what I was. You know, in in addition to the receiving I mean, people don't people don't talk too much about about the blocking. And that sort of that sort of thing downfield. We saw with the giants this year was saquon Barkley. We saw some receivers giving on awful lot of effort down the field to block is that something that's important to you. Absolutely. That's definitely a key factor being Caesar Barca at making sure place for or. Or apple if they want or in the other receiver, so he can send. He can send before. Not you. You're believe six three to fifteen of if you were to give a scouting report on yourself on what kind of wide receiver. You are what you would bring to the table for an NFL team. What would that scouting reports out like? Like, I'm a big Klay receiver. I can make a big place down the field. I feel like I'm sure had and also my big red zone threat. And I know that that you have an interesting well-traveled background. I think I I read that that includes living in Jordan, Egypt, India, South Africa, maybe a couple of other places. I apologize. If if I missed a couple, but. I got him. All that's good. Do you feel like like all of that? You know, does that does that prepare you in any way, you know, for for dealing maybe with, you know, with some of the unknowns that you're dealing with your as you go through the draft process. Yes. Absolutely. I like living in many different cultures of sub meal for any any different aspects on lifelock actor get along with anybody. I feel like and. I could just adjust very well, many differences. And if I'm right you didn't play football until your junior year of high school, correct? Yes, sir. So, you know, with that in mind, I mean there there's a lot of a lot of kids a lot of players who start playing at a much younger age than that. The u does that make you feel like, you know, where you are now in terms of your growth in terms of maybe your polish as a receiver. Does that make you feel like there's there's a lot more for you. To learn more levels may be for you to reach. Absolutely. Great amount to grow. I still alive. We're going. I'll I'll be able to get a lot better. Did you did you have a favorite team growing up? Oh, I don't know. If giants fans wanna listen to that. Yeah. Slow that. Oh, that's that's hey, you gotta tell me the truth, right? Yeah. Yeah. But the you you said you met. So this is this is true. This this is true. So in my son happens to be a patriots fan as well. So I hold that against him as well. So I I'm not sure how that happened. But it happened that that's that's a family issue that we have so. So you said that you said that you that you met with the with all thirty two teams at the at the senior bowl pretty much. In looking forward to here's pretty much the last question that that I'll ask you today. Travis looking forward to the combine, you know, coming off your senior year coming off your senior bowl. Is there something in particular that you feel like you still need or want to show NFL teams when you get to the Combi? Yes. I just want to show them that. I'm explosive athlete. Also that I care about this game very much that I'm very motivated cover Greg receiver the next level. Hey travis. I appreciate your taking some time to to join us today. So far. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Giants fans. 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