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"ed kemper" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Yeah my opinion. I agree right. I think we're done here. I think we kinda beat the crap out of kemper. He deserved it. I the problem is he's a likable guy. He really is the scene. Yeah definitely is you know. Y- a lot of these guys are just like everything about him. Just creeps you out a. He's an campers not like that he's a i think. He is deserving of some degree of sympathy. I mean that's not to excuse what he did or minimize the suffering. He has caused. No i agree. I completely agree. It's an acknowledgement of the suffering. That he also has been subject to and leave and go ahead one. He had a normal childhood. Maybe this wouldn't happened but absolutely true. One more thing you just got me thinking along those lines of i was kinda thinking you know if his mother had if he'd let his mother live and then say gone. Look what you made me do. She would've taken any of that responsibility on herself now. No not that kind of person. No not at all all right. Thanks for joining us tonight. And you next week is way. Oh yeah we are. Starting up with something special we got specialness all up and down the month of may celebrating women who kill yep and they can look at the fairer sex the gentler sex. I love that is so ironic. Yup all right.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Hello hello hello. This is west from real monsters. Nuggets wanted to take a few seconds in talk to you about pinker. It is the easiest way to make a guest and believe me. That was something that i was looking for men. I had to take over the tech side of our operation. It's free that allows you to do a lot of stuff when you get in there so head on over to anchor dot. Fm start today to get your opinions out be heard it can definitely help you. All right it's another thursday night and you are here with s. k. Barrett and west hob rick and go on stors and made we have a show to night. Oh yeah most definitely. People thought him as a gentle giant but he was anything. But yeah ed kemper. Is you know i.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Is because. Ed was one of the first people used as like the poster child for what a serial killer could be. So a pair of former FBI agents who helped pioneer criminal profiling at Quantico is Behavioral Science Unit was John Douglas Robert Ressler. They actually do a lot of interviews with at and it's what they learned from him. That influences how society now as a whole thinks of modern day serial killer. So to me, I think that's why he fits into the box. So neatly he's the one who created the boxes to a certain extent xactly. And that impact can still be felt today forty seven years after his capture and conviction. Ed's grim legacy and references to the whore that he caused can still be found in modern pop culture. He was a part of Thomas Harris's inspiration for Buffalo Bill in silence of the lambs clips of his interviews have mixed into songs by bands like system of a down, and he was recently a character on Netflix's hit show. MINEHUNTER. Which is based off of that. But we talked about earlier as far as ed in reality he's actually waved several parole hearings over the last few decades and seems to recognize that he's not safe being out in the world. Wow. He is known as a model prisoner and while the fascination with his terrible crimes continues Ed Kemper remains behind bars where he belongs and we're he'll stay for the rest of.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Way actually also happens to be about the same time that herbs trial starts and the trial starts with the revelation that herb killed Mary and cut off her head wait what? Yeah I mean that wasn't one of the ones that he. Was Tried for so his lawyers opening statement just kind of drops that little factoid along with admitting that her also killed. Lawrence. White and beat that priests set back in seventy two. So I mean the way they throw it in was like, Oh, no big deal just bringing my clients body count to thirteen instead of like what you already charged him for. Anyway. So at the same time, herbs trial is going on the Santa Cruz detectives also start digging into Ed's background to see what they can find out about him, and they want the truth this time, not the illusion of the Nice Guy Because in order to understand his motives and what drove him to do such horrific things. Police know that they have to go back to the beginning and they have to learn everything there is to know about Ed Kemper. Crime Junkie is supported by progressive. Progressive has you covered when it comes to car insurance starting with Bilton savings discounts for being a safe driver, and you can save when you start your quote online or have multiple vehicles on your policy. In fact, drivers who switch and save with Progressive Save over seven, hundred, fifty dollars on average my husband and I both used progressive when we bought our first house. So we had multiple cars and even bundled in our home insurance with progressive for even more savings, start a quote online and see all the discounts for yourself visit progressive DOT com today. National annual average auto insurance savings by new customer survey in two thousand, nineteen potential savings will vary discount vary and are not available in all states and situations. Ed's willingness to talk about his crimes doesn't fade and he starts giving interviews from prison before his trial even starts between the interviews as well as numerous interogations. Police are able to dig deeper and deeper into. Ed's backgrounds in the months leading up to his trial the learn that he's been different pretty much right from the minute he was born he weighed a whopping thirteen pounds as a new born. In. One, thousand, nine, hundred, I just crossed my legs bright I mean this shocked both his dad who was ed the second and his mom karnal because while they were both tall neither of them expected to have a son anywhere near this size. The difference between Ed and other kids only intensified as he got older because there was really no way around the fact that Ed was a weird kid affect. That he himself admits to in custody his mom was both highly domineering and fond of belittling her son. She was quote a complete alcoholic Saco according to Ed's half brother. David although he got along well with his dad ed and his mom had an increasingly toxic relationship and Katie Dowd reported for SF gate that by the time Ed turn eight, his mom was totally convinced that Ed was going to molest. His sisters, and so she took a barring him down to the basement to isolate him from the rest of the family. Okay I. Know this was a different time and the dialogue around mental health and child psychology was totally different than what it is today and I'm never going to claim to be an expert but I've gone through a ton of trauma informed training in foster parenting and like isolation is. One of the worst things you can do to a child psychologically. Like, did anyone try to get this kid any help like take into therapist or anything not that I could find? No and you know in spite of this, because of his Ed's behavior only continues to get stranger as he gets older and it gets even stranger after his parents divorced. Now his mom moves Ed and his sisters to Montana hundreds of miles away from his dad back in California. Now, Ed's always had a bad relationship with his mom but the divorce and being taken so far away from his dad makes the. Relationship much worse and his violent tendencies start to manifest in earnest by each ten edge torturing and killing family pets, which as we know is a huge red flag of antisocial behavior. He tells authorities how he liked to play, make believe with his two sisters but instead of making up stories about Kessels, our doors are things that you'd expect from little kids, eggs, fever games were electric chair and Gas Chamber where he pretended to die in really horrible ways, he would also mutilate his sister's dolls and talk about killing his teachers. Will Ed's cruelty to animals continues? He hasn't hurt either of his sisters by the time. He runs away at age thirteen heading back to California to his father except instead of being really happy to see him, his dad is already remarried with a whole new family and a whole new life. So it doesn't really fit into that. He sends Ed to live with his parents, his dad ED and MoD at their farm up in North Fork California the assumption was at the time that. Ed was going to grow up and just somehow grow out of his issues and eventually he'd be fine except as it's all too obvious in retrospect Ed was not fine and it culminated in the worst way possible when he killed his grandparents also, I think one of the important things we have to look at is Ed's relationship with his mom and how it Impacted his life obviously having a bad parent doesn't even begin to excuse anything he did. But that hatred and resentment really fueled him for years and ED himself pointed to his mom as the driving force for his rage here I wanNA play a clip from one of Ed's interviews where he talks about her and I want you to tell me what you think. It was springtime. April. For two months I had killed acid. It's not going to happen anymore girls. Scotus Day between me and my mother and has got. I can't get away from her. We're still fighting. She's still. She's like a puppet on a string and I entertain her she knows all my buttons and I dance like a pilot. With that pain and it even got physical. Where I had physically. grabbed her thrown her onto her bed trying to emphasize a point that she's threatening to kill her. So, here I pick up these two young ladies Berkeley Up Ashby Avenue. One has flowers in her. Petite little dolls there in granny dresses in there hitchhike couple of real experts I WANNA see how together I if I. Can resist this temptation. And get my car. They want to go one way I know they need to go the other if they go the way they're insisting on, we're headed right back to where I to Koets were murdered. And I'm saying to myself. Oh my God I gotTa do is relax and they'll take me to their death. I've got the gun in the car, the same one I've been doing what? I insist as gently as I could I took them work needed to go to their college That was one week before I murdered my mother. I said she's got a die at I've got a die or girls like that. We're going to die. And that's when I decided. I'm going to border my mother. Oh my God I don't even know how to process what I just totally unnerving right I mean the way he talks about it is so creepy I literally have full body chills about how normal it is for him to. Talk about this like. He's not even. Being elaborate and kind of charming about what he got away with like some serial killer interviews. You see he's just like, yeah, this happened and this is what happened. This is how I did it, and this is how I rationalized it like you would buying something inexpensive cheese at a grocery store. Honestly plus is it just me or is this guy like the complete archetype of what we think of when we think of serial killers? He has abusive parents, animal cruelty, violent fantasies it feels like he checks every single box. No, you're totally right and you know one of the reasons it checks all the boxes.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"On April twenty third nineteen seventy-three, the Santa Cruz police are just beyond shocked when they get a call from Ed Kemper because there buddy big ED tells them an extraordinarily disturbing story. He says he's killed his own mother who he's been living with ever since he was released from hospital back in hundred sixty nine he tells them about how he waited for his mom to fall. Asleep before sneaking into her bedroom to bludgeoned her to death with a claw hammer as if that's not brutal, Enough Ed tells them. He cut out her tongue and Larry necks and put them in the garbage disposal before cutting her head off and using it for Dort practice at also says that he engaged in sexual activity with his MOM's severed head. Now this is just totally beyond. Comprehension, all in its own but ed goes on to tell them that he's also murdered his mom's best friend Sally and cut her head off to and that police will find her body in the closet at his mom's apartment. But to follow this up ed says, they can't come arrest him in Santa Cruz because he's actually in Pueblo Colorado where he took off after killing his mom. And her friend according to the Santa Cruz Sentinel he says, police need to come get him before he goes on a killing spree and takes even more lives now at first and you're not gonNA believe this police think it's just a prank call I mean not a very funny one but they know he's a nice guy he's totally harmless. So they hang up and brush it off. It actually takes ed calling back and this time he asked to speak to one cop in particular someone that he knows pretty well and someone that he thinks will take him seriously. So what makes them finally understand that he's not kidding about this so it has to end up giving them details about the crime only the killer would know and little by little. It finally starts to sink in for police. This is no joke. This is real and the. Police know that they have one chance to stop a killer and even ed himself seems to understand that he needs to be stopped because as the Colorado Springs. Gazette, Telegraph reported. He said, he quote, just got to worrying about the murders end quote. So they're clearly weighing on him staying on his mind and he knows that he's never gonna be able to stop and at some point it's got to catch up with him even though they're reeling from Ed's. And how he's describing these heinous acts the police keep ed talking on the phone while they trace the call and get in touch with law enforcement Colorado where he is be work fast to locate the phone booth that Ed's calling from, and the Pueblo police make an arrest meanwhile the police back in Santa Cruz hurry to the Duplex Ed's been living with his mom and sure enough just like he said, they find his mom's mutilated body and sally stuffed in the closet God but as shocking as this, all is Ed isn't Because once he's in police custody he also says that he's the one who's been killing all those hitchhiking students. He's claiming to be the coed killer that's held Santa Cruz in terror for months the Santa Cruz de a and other law enforcement officers hurry out to Colorado to pick it up and bring him back to California to answer for his crimes to their surprise and Horror Ed's not only willing to talk but he's almost eager like it's a relief to tell the truth and kind of burden himself from. All of these Felix Yeah I was GonNa, ask what his demeanor was during all of this. Was it just as cool and collected as when he had confessed to killing his grandparents? Yeah. Cool. Calm. Collected I mean again I think there was a little bit maybe a frazzle like him knowing that again, it's going to catch up with him. He's never gonNA be able to stop, but he was more of this unburdening like, oh I can finally tell someone what I've been really doing and who I really am. BIOGRAPHY DOT COM reported that Ed tells police that he'd been planning his actions for years pretty much as soon as he got out of that mental hospital, he said he bought a car and made his own hill kit with things like handcuffs and plastic bags but the urge wasn't out of control yet he still was very organized. so he weighed it by Ed's own estimate he says. that. He picked up somewhere around a hundred and fifty female hitchhikers around Santa Cruz and the nearby counties between nineteen seventy and nineteen, seventy two and he let them all go before he picked up Marianne and Anita and started to kill and I don't a hundred percent sure know why but a little part of me wonders if he was practicing, how can I act? That makes these people. COM-, how do they act like what? What startles them I mean he was studying his prey and he was learning the same way he learned in prison and and figured out how to act right when he started his killing with Marianne an nita. Ed says that he took them back to his mother's house and dismembered them both engaging in sexual activity with their bodies before disposing pieces of. Them in the Santa Cruz Mountains I. Know You said earlier than found Marianne skull but what about Anita? Did they ever find her body? So to this day no trace of her has ever been found despite some pretty intense searches both Anita and Marianne Setup Ed's patterns and his proclivities though as he tells police between May of seventy, two in April of seventy three, he killed eight women. Et confesses to being responsible for some of the disappearances of some of hitchhiking coeds who went missing while herb was still also doing his killings in the area. He said that what he would do is he would use his official campus parking pass that he got from his mom to lure his victims into this false sense of security like Oh. Yeah. I go here to student. Yeah. Totally. Comfortable. Exactly. The same as you he talked to them once they got in the car learn their names may play conversation seemed like a perfectly normal guy right up until it was too late just like with his mom and Sally Anita and Marianne Ed's able to give highly detailed accounts of how he killed Eko Cindy, Roseland and. And he tells investigators where parts of their bodies still are. Now, although parts of Cindy's body washed up on the shore police don't find her head until at actually takes them to wear. It's buried and it's buried in his mother's backyard. With every passing story, it becomes more and more obvious to law enforcement just how wrong they were about their big buddy ed and I won't go into the details about the killings because. I mean he was one of the most. Disturbed killers it's so gross so much dismembering and necrophilia horrible stuff that you usually see as deviance escalates but with Ed, it almost seems like it was there from the very beginning behind the gentle giant exterior was a monster capable of acts that almost defy the imagination none of them ever suspected him like he was never on any of their radar as. A. person of interest no never it's super jarring for these season cops to realize that they got so fooled you know because as they now, whenever they talk about the case, ed wasn't listening to be polite. He was listening to learn their techniques and to stay one step ahead of them I think it goes back to a crime junkie rule of you never really know anybody I think those are I rule you never know anyone ever. As police keep investigating into murders and the DA prepares the case over the summer of seventy three, which by the.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Better but I, mean you know What I mean they were some of them were need are like a killer had some I'm somewhere sloppier and messier less planned out even exactly one of them. It almost seemed like someone was a mess and kind of just hacking around where in other cases it seemed like the killer really had an idea of what they were doing. So even after herbs arrest more bodies turn. Up and these bodies have that very neat and clean style of dissection and dismemberment. Now, this is happening in early March when some hikers in San Mateo County, which is just north of Santa Cruz Stumble upon a skull. In Jawbone once law enforcement arrive on the scene, they noticed that the job own doesn't match the skull, but they're able to locate a matching skull nearby when. They do a search. The remains are taken back frightened affiliation and dental records prove yet again that a killer is still praying on Santa Cruz as coeds because the results come back as Alison and Roselend. The two girls who went missing back in February. Okay. But if they missing back before her was arrested, it's still could have been him right. So that was my thought to. Like a very clear distinction between herbs killing and this other person's killings because for clarification, the ones that they were able to attribute to her were those messier less organized decapitations and dissections. So to me, it's not surprising that we continue to find bodies and bones, but I, think, there was this some sort of belief or maybe like a naive hope that somehow making. An arrest would just mean like, okay, we're we're done. We're not going to find any more bodies. We can all move on except that's not what happens and the media in Santa Cruz really pressures the da about this like if you've got the guy why are people still turning up dead and his answer is pretty illuminating I think because he says and I quote. We then have another homicidal maniac on our hands well, obviously. So on February seventeenth herb is charged with ten counts of murder for the nine people slaughtered during the two sprees on. Twenty, fifth and February six and four that guy who is weeding his lawn. Twelve. Even with her off the streets, the police and the DA are just a total loss here the city feels like it's on edge no one feels safe and worst of all, they have no idea how to stop whoever this second killer is, and then just before Easter, the Santa Cruz police get a strange phone call one changes everything they thought they.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Named. Edmund. Kemper. The third. who tells them something unthinkable that he's just murdered his own grandparents now work is this super rural area in the Sierra mountains sort of smack DAB in the middle of the state. It's farm country not super exciting and things like this. Don't happen here I mean really as far as the police are concerned things like a teenage boy murdering his grandparents in cold blood don't happen anywhere and yet as soon as they get out to the Kemper Farm, there's Edmund who everyone calls Ed waiting patiently to be arrested and taken to jail naturally the first question. The police asked him is why he did it ed says that he killed them because he was mad at the world but he doesn't stop there. He says he also killed them because he wanted to see what it felt like to take a life simple as that police are chilled to the bone by how calmly at is saying all of this almost as if committing. A double homicide is just an average part of his day. No. Since he's already confessed, ed keeps going and the whole terrible story unfolds according to Ed it started after a fight with his grandma MoD when his GRANDPA WHO's also named. Ed without running errands. Now, our Ed and Maud had a tense relationship and the fight escalated when she tried to take his gun away. That gun was a Christmas gift his GRANDPA and he didn't WanNA give it up. So instead of giving it to her wound up shooting her in the head right there in the kitchen of their farmhouse and then he her a couple more times in the chest just to make sure she was dead according to an article on Crime Library's website. Ed goes on to tell police that he killed his grandfather. So he wouldn't have to find out that his wife was debt with mods bodies still in the kitchen ed went outside with his rifle and waited for his grandfather to get home. As soon as he pulled up at cocked it took aim and fired finishing the grizzly work that he started inside. Even the most veteran officers in the force are shaken by the brutal murders because here's this big strong boy I mean, he's nearly six foot four at age fifteen. He's smart as a whip and calm as can be while he explains the rationale behind doing something. So terrible, they arrest him right away and since Ed is a minor, he's under the California Youth Authority's jurisdiction but get this there so. Appalled by the murderers that they kind of I. Mean I WANNA say cop out but they realize this kid and his crimes are way out of their league. Yeah. It's just unfathomable to the justice system at the time that a child could commit crimes like that. So they turn him back over to the adult branch of California's legal system was trying a minor as an adult like thing back then like. Yes, I could he's a big kid but he's still fifteen. It seems not okay for him to go to like a regular prison no I I don't think they were planning on putting him in regular prison according to the billings gazette back in September of sixty four. The first thing they do is sentenced Ed to an indefinite term. He's then given a psychiatric evaluation and diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic but the judge like everyone else considers these murders to be just beyond comprehension and so instead of sending edge with typical juvenile facility and they're definitely not going to send him to an adult facility, he's actually sentenced to add Escudero State Hospital, which is a maximum security mental institution for the criminally insane. After he's locked up at Addis Khaderah, dot psychologists and law enforcement all remain kind of fascinated by I. mean he stands out let me literally stands out because like I said before he's a big guy in still growing but he stands out because he's also super well behaved and still so smart like really really smart doctors give all sorts of assessments and I q tests and he registers at near genius levels according to a former FBI agent John Douglas in his book mind Hunter Ed gets so good with the tests that the hospital authorities let him look at the tasks and even they let him. Give. The test to other inmates like this guy is literally giving psychological assessments to adult male sex offenders him disturbed teenage boy. Oh my God, I know I mean to me that just seems. So out of line now ED's behavior while he's incarcerated lead some of his doctors to question the paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis they keep studying him and reevaluating him and Ed because he's so bright is able to figure out just what they wanna hear remember how we kind of time this Rodney Alcala so to how he learned to appear saying and rehabilitated in front of the Parole Board so that he could go free. That's pretty much exactly what Ed does to me. This is a big sign of how dangerous he really is because not only does he now have access to these evaluations, but he's using the information within these to get his diagnosis reduced to a personality disorder with passive aggression, right? He's figuring out how to game the system. He's totally gaming the system and passive aggressive he murdered two people. In his own family there's nothing passive about that. Yeah. I mean, you think that right he very actively killed two people but the penal system out in California at the time is more focused on rehabilitation and not necessarily punishment for what you did and with Ed being so young and being such a model prisoner they look at him almost like a success story bear rehabilitation strategy is working. By the Time Ed Turns Twenty one in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, his doctors are so impressed with the progress. Ed's made while incarcerated that he's released from the Mental Institution on parole in December of that same year even though his doctors advise against it Ed goes to live with his mom clar now in OPTUS on the Pacific coast in central California. This is about one hundred and eighty miles away from where he murdered his grandparents north fork and on the outside everything seems like it's going great. Maybe he was rehabilitated. The city of Santa Cruz nearby is university town with plenty of educational opportunity and eggs. Mom actually works at UC. Santa. Cruz and so she gets at a parking pass. So he's on campus. He sees plenty of coeds out hitchhiking now. He's still on parole. So he still under law enforcement supervision. But as.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"ed kemper" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Someone like that has been released from prison or release them sites. Data. Take care. And and know what the recidivism rate is like has anyone ever done something that heinous Denman released, and then just, you know, been fine. Then just, you know, lived a long life, you know, outside of incarceration, never doing anything horrible. Again, has that ever happened has it ever happened to somebody young and still formidable like one thing to release a murder when they're eighty five and they can't get around to to kill different when they're twenty one. If it happens all the time, I guess I may have to think my thoughts on rehabilitation, currently, I think there are limits on what you can come back from certain crimes thefts, you know, like like barroom brawl type of assault arson. I'm sure plenty of other crimes and not thinking of right now. I'm sure you you can mend the error of your ways, you know, and come back, and I know you can but but when you murder your grandparents that's crossing such different line in cold blood. No less. I don't I don't think you come back from that. And this is not even talking about. Should you be able to like should you have the option of coming back from that? I'm just like is it actually possible? Could you kill a str-? Ranger cut their head off literally fuck their head. And then ten years later just be, you know, working Jumba juice, enjoying your life. Now being a threat to anybody. Just don't see that as possibility I actually ended up googling Kenneth serial killer be rehabilitated and the first link that popped up with a psychology today. Article post on August eleventh two thousand fourteen says psychopathic criminals cannot be cured Scott a bond PHD, professor of criminology rights, contrary to popular belief psychopaths are not considered to be mentally ill, the fifth edition of the diagnostics in statistical manual of mental disorders DSM five released by the APA. The American psychiatric association list psychopathy under the heading of antisocial personality disorders key traits of the psychopaths include a disregard for laws and social Moore's a disregard for the rights of others. A failure to feel remorse or guilt. A tendency to display violent behavior psychopathy is a personality disorder that is exhibited by. Who employ combination of charm manipulation intimidation sometimes violence to control others in order to satisfy their own selfish. Desires describes Ed Kemper to AT. It is estimated that approximately one percent of the adult male population. The US for psychopaths, which is fucking scary men are more likely the women to be psychopaths. And there's this Kennesaw, Ken psychopathy be cured. According to mental health experts. The short answer to the question is no Dr Nigel Blackwood leading forensic psychiatrist at King's College. In London has stated the adult psychopaths can be treated or managed, but not cured based like whether incarcerated you can use like incentives. Like, hey, if you're good, you get a fucking TV to watch every once in a while to get them to you know. Modify their behavior. But if you put them back onto the wild, you know, when they're not supervise they're gonna go fucking bananas. Again, Blackwood explains that psychopaths do not fear the pain of punishment. They're not bothered by social stigmatisation psychopaths are indifferent to the expectations of society, reject its condemnation of their criminal behavior. According to Blackwood, another callous and unemotional psychopaths simply do not respond to punishment the way the rest of us. Do consequently adult psychopaths in prison are much harder to reform or rehabilitate than other criminals with milder or no, antisocial personality disorders and other things. I found said that they cannot be rehabilitated. So there you go. They cannot be cured. Not in any way that we currently know have no of so can we please stop giving monster like this piece of shit the option of parole ever? I mean, I'd like to have them killed but short of that can we at least make sure they can never ever get out, man. I wish not that. He would care does that could say that the Kemper nothing would care. Oh, strongly disagree. With your statement. You're sounding like mother, man. You're kidding my samples route in a tizzy wished..
"ed kemper" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Can't believe I haven't. I hadn't heard about this dude before story is so crazy if you found yourself like me darkly fascinated with camper, your your far from alone. The FBI was so fascinated by Kemper he became a major part of the early. Studies done by the F B is behavioral science units will become that unit. You know, the agents that would form that unit this unit that figured out how to profile serial killers nineteen seventies. The FBI came up with the idea that by visiting prisons and talking to horrific serial killers. They could learn more about their motives Kemper was one of the serial killers. They talked to one of the ones ended up talking to the most. And he was such a charming son of a bitch. Some of the agents admit to liking him at a very high Q as we said, he was very articulate the ideal person you'd want to interview he was able to provide a lot of insights as to why these offenders commit these crimes FBI agents were able to identify some common characteristics and backgrounds among serial killers. We normally would not have known about for instance, that they tortured animals as kids. So why would Kemper though want to help the FBI? Well, because Certa killers in general tend to to enjoy reliving their dark experiences helps pass the time in jail for one thing. It's definitely not about helping the police. They're not doing this out of any kind of goodwill. They always act like the are fought bull shit. They're doing it to feel important and special narcissists. They love having the focus on them. You know, and a lot of cases like embassies people score high on the on psychopathy kind of scales, which which is distinguished by feelings of narcissism low impulse control and grandiosity, you know, they they just feel important and powerful talking to the police I want I wanted to before we go to to look into what some other people think about Ed Kemper, and I did find some interesting insights on today's idiots of the internet. Injured that. For today's video. I watched you know, one of these interviews done within camper, you know, where he gives a lot of the kind of you know, answer a lot of the type questions at the FBI profiler would learn from him. It's called interview seventy four first of two published on June seventeenth two thousand seven over one point five million views us your Joseph Matthews offer. Some interesting insight about campers mother now, I'm not sure where he gets his info. But but I liked to thought this is what really made me kind of start to lean back more towards the the nature side of him being just evil. He posts his sister said his mother was a Saint who has never abusive co-worker said she was a pillar of the community and had a vibrant social life in a network of friends only Ed ever said she was abusive almost as though he might be a psychopath that perceives even the tiniest criticism as a great injustice anyone consider that she never sexually or physically abused him. Stop falling for his lies and use your brains. She only. Wanted locking him in his bedroom in the basement after he molested his sisters. That's a pretty reasonable response in context. Wouldn't you think? And I don't know if he did that. But he's referring to something I couldn't find when you study violent offenders, you have to also take into consideration the families opinions because psychopaths cannot accept responsibility. I do love that exactly Joseph. You can't trust. What he says he by nature is a master manipulator. He's a fucking psychopath with a genius IQ. He's really good at manipulating human nip related psychiatrists the save silly into let him out girl up to girl into getting into the car with them. You know, I imagine he manipulated, you know, probably those FBI I profiles as well. And he's manipulating people to this day through his through his, you know, videos that are out on on YouTube. And I'll get to that in a second with some other internet comments about how people like seem to really like, this guy, still user user hostile narwhal. Did what I expected to happen..
"ed kemper" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"He was a huge baby thirteen pounds at birth. Do just could not wait to start hurting women. First thing he does come into the world is to violet woman violate his mother. I can't imagine you have an easy delivery when you give birth to a giant thirteen pound vagina. Tearing baby. I'm guessing some stuff gets shredded the average birth weight for newborn baby, by the way is under eight pounds. Ed is over fifty percent bigger than the average baby. And he would grow into an equally disportionately huge man by nineteen fifty two and is four he's already a head taller than other kids. His own age signs of trouble began to emerge early for young giant, Eddie. I mean this. This is going to be one of those things like was this dude born evil like this. This is very very interesting to me this in terms of nature versus nurture by the end of it. I ended up leaning more on the the nature side. Not everyone agrees who has looked into camper. Actually, I think most people end up thinking it's more like nurture situation with mama. I think this dude just been born a fucking psychotic maniac. Here's a dark fantasy life. Sometimes dreaming about killing his his mother. He cuts off the head of his sister's dolls talks is sisters when they're very young and to play a game called gas chamber. A game which he has his sisters blindfold him and lead him to chair where he pretends to ride in agony until he dies as a young child. Does. He also plays another fun game with his sisters called electric chair. It's very similar to the gas chamber gas chamber game just a slightly different ending when he was in second grade second grade, he's he'd sneak out of his house. He would get his dad's World War Two bayonet or if he used bayonets World War Two but his dad was in the milliner and his dad had a bayonet. So that's why I call it. But he would get his dad's bayonet. I know that for sure and he would sneak out to a second grade. Teachers house watch her through the window like a tiny. I guess he was big for aids. But still a young super young fucking lurker creep and fantasize about murdering her second grade second grade, none of this is good. If you have a kid playing murder games who snaking out to watch their teacher to the window while essentially holding a fucking spear. You're gonna want to put that kid in counseling ASEP. Maybe not maybe not let them touch anything sharp. Maybe get good solid locks installed on the doors of every other family members bedrooms. Maybe also take your little monsters door completely off the hinges. So they can't be doing anything creepy alone. An unwashed in there. I don't care if only seven or eight you might wanna put like some kind of ankle monitor's GPS monitor on them. So glad I don't have a kid like that people on a teacher to the window night and second grade while holding a bayonet mixing sexual thoughts with violent thoughts at that age. I peep when I was a kid, I'm gonna full disclosure. You guys know I'm pretty transparent, I peeped on a neighbor lady taking a shower. Sophomore in high school has fifteen and my dad has step mom at the time would have me they should've put me accounting for that. That's pretty creepy. Luckily, I was not doing it holding a weapon was not holding a spear. I would think about instant later while holding a spear of sorts a trouser spear. If you will think about how exciting to us to see a real life naked woman as creep by was not an Ed Kemper level of creep. Thank god. Okay. Nineteen fifty seven at campus. Ten he's he he starts to kill. Now, the not humans not humans. But this this disturbed me almost as much as as the humans will be talking about later. I don't know what that says about me. We started to kill beginning with the family's pet cat. I know sometimes animal lovers react more strongly to tales of animal sadism than human. So if you're an animal lover. Brace yourself if your cat lover who this is this is not going to be fun. This is not going to be fun for you at all. If you're a cat hater sadistic. Sociopaths cat hater take off your pants now. 'cause you're probably gonna start jerking off. This one is going to be a yes, okay..
"ed kemper" Discussed on Serial Killers
"In fact, according to a nineteen Eighty-six article written by Robert Hazelwood and Joseph harp old supervisory special agents in the behavioral science unit at the FBI academy, quote, different motives, operate in different offenders, and therefore what might be successful in dissuading, one type of assailant might in fact, aggravate the situation with a different type of offender, and quote in other words, you can never be sure what words are going to stop a rapist. If anything could stop them at all Ed Kemper was certainly unwilling to be stopped while different rapists react differently to attempts. At discouraging them, a nineteen Ninety-two study, titled fighting back women's resistance to rape found that quote women who responded with physical aggression to the offenders violent physical attack. We're more likely to avoid rape. Then we're women who did not resist such force and quote, according to this. Study responding to sexual violence with violence can only help your chances of escape. Of course. Ed Kemper wasn't just looking to rape these women. He was trying to kill them Marianne made an admirable attempt to talk down. But she ultimately failed at pointed his gun and commanded that one of the girls get into the trunk while Ed himself knew that he was going to kill these women. He wanted them to believe that he was only going to rape them right up until the moment of their deaths. He told them that he was going to drive them to his apartment where they would then go inside he told them he wanted one in the trunk. So we only had to keep his eyes on the woman in his passenger seat during the drive Marianne continued her attempt to convince to let them go..
"ed kemper" Discussed on Serial Killers
"Ed Kemper killed his first victims his own grandparents at age fifteen on August. Twenty seventh nineteen sixty four. He later killed eight women between nineteen seventy two and nineteen Seventy-three. Ed. Kemper stocked the streets of Santa Cruz, California, killing and dismembering female hitchhikers he became most famous for killing his own mother. And for the lengthy interviews that he did with FBI agents, Robert Ressler, and Johnny Douglas, which played a significant role in developing the FBI's serial killer profiling system last week, we covered ED's childhood the beginning of his hatred for his mother and the murders of his grandparents when we left off Ed was imprisoned in Tasca Darrow state hospital. However, he used his genius IQ to trick is psychiatrists into believing. He had been cured at the age of twenty one. Ed Kemper was release. Based from prison on parole with his juvenile criminal records sealed this week will follow ED's murderous path along the California roads to his final destination, murdering his own mother. On December eighteenth nineteen sixty-nine Ed moved into his mother's home in Santa Cruz, California at and his mother clar Nell actually managed to get along for a short while at enrolled in a local community college in order to pursue a career in law enforcement in the early months of nineteen seventy Ed was getting better grades in school than he ever had before. He worked hard to earn a job as a police officer. He craved structure, and he still wanted to help instill that structure into the world after months of hard schoolwork Ed applied for enrollment into a police academy. They rejected ED's application. Ed initially thought that he might have been rejected for his criminal record. After all any reasonable person would not want. Someone who'd committed a double homicide to have a badge and a gun, but that wasn't it. Instead ED's application had been rejected on the basis of height. Ed stood six feet nine inches tall four inches taller than the six five. The height limit the Santa Cruz department had for its officers. Ed had been mocked for his height all throughout his youth. He had internalized this bullying as rejection from his peers, and now he was being rejected on the basis of height again for Ed. This was deeply upsetting Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here. And throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Everyone has been rejected at some point. And they likely remember how it feels to be told. You're not wanted neuro-scientists NIO me. I is in burger Matthew de Lieberman and Kipling d.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Serial Killers
"Ed Kemper was fifteen years old when he moved in with his grandparents seventy two year old Edmund Kemper, the first and sixty seven year old Maude Kemper immediately upon arrival at grew displeased with the move mod was a tough old woman. She had spent most of her life living on the ranch, and she took no Gump from her children or grandchildren. She was confident in her abilities to parent and she believed that by taking f into her home. She could correct all the mistakes. Clar Nell had made raising him model often insulted clarksdale in front of Ed while the to health similar disdain for mother. What could have served as a common ground only drove the to further apart for hearing Maude complain about his mother only made him think of mod as an extension of his mother. He thought of mod is equally domineering and controlling clar now, and he only saw more similarities in how mod treated his grandfather, Edmund Kemper, the I was growing senile in his. Old age for most of their married life, Edmund the I had provided for Maude as a stable, but quiet partner as he grew older. He would often have lapses in memory and judgment that made it difficult for Maude to trust him mod, and Edmund seniors relationship changed as he slowly lost his ability to care for himself, mud often found herself chiding the man like she would have child. Unfortunately, Ed only saw how mod treated Edmund senior in their old age, and he wrongly assumed that she had always treated admit poorly. As a result Edsall, his grandparents relationship as an expression of Mods bitterness towards men just like his mother's relationship with his father while modern its relationship was strained from the beginning, Edmund the I tried to bond with he would take hunting and even bought at his own rifles. So we could practice shooting on his own Ed enjoyed going on hunting trips with his grandfather. But Edmonds ever encroaching senility interfered with their ability to?.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left
"Going on he'll just say like hi how are ya and you could tell he's been rehearsing in the mirror hottest say hi how war right where it's like this guy i can pretty much guarantee the same thing when more information comes out about him he's not talking to that's he he won't speak to the police about any of his crimes and once they finally break good crack is not because it really depends on what level has ego is right because some killers they just love talking like fucking bumble but like he fucking love talk and because it got him right because you've got to talk to cops where it seems like ed kemper like talking so much did on tape yes several which has got to be so bizarre do you this and of green gables it's read by edmund kemper oh he had a baritone very lovely dome but this fucking guy is going to probably seems like he has contempt for the police sure you see the middle that one call where she was like i'm gonna fuck again tonight you fuckers we're to say also say how he talks was the traditional way of the iran's talking see took lintas terrorists will talk to i think probably to disguise his voice it's interesting you mentioned you mentioned law his wife he ended up marrying in seventy three a believe they were divorced in around eighty two it was actually a lawyer so fun was it cop she was a lawyer meanwhile com sitcom if he's not a hero i mean technically this is a showtime show more we're talking about like if you could get away with the some of the sexist some of the violence it's very compelling show but in reality very dangerous but i don't understand people's obsession with the story i mean besides it's it's just so scary is when you read this yori it's really just does it does the thing that like if a guy wants to fuck and killian of.
"ed kemper" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Internal experience but i don't remember how i learned it but i remember knowing it did you already have an idea that you were guy yes for sure i sir i you know i always knew i always knew that i was gay for as far back as i can remember an obviously you know judging from that moment i was sort of like this ominous thing that i was probably going to catch at some point right as i used to try and used to try trick myself even in like in middle school and high school while i was like fantasising a beano like as you do as a teenager i would think about men and then at the last second think about women to try and like trick my brain to flip the switch to kind of the try and make myself straight didn't work in a it as ed kemper says in mind hunter it didn't take did you know your parents are both athletes your mother is a jim teacher right and your father i think was the basketball player in school yard yet both athletes yang did they give you like baton balls at first before they realize no it's it's about the stage not about like the the football field or the baseball diamond denied sort of it's the complicate its this sort of un and yang in a positive and negative about about growing up for me was that i had this weird shame about being gave them that i must have learned from my community and from my parents in for my family but at the same time both of my parents they did you know like offer me up sports if it was something i was interested in but they have this amazing instincts will ability to allow both my brother an eye to follow our passions my my dad was expected to to be to like run the dairy farm because he was the oldest of his family but he ended up training and racing horses because.
"ed kemper" Discussed on Do By Friday
"Four that i was going to kill her we should listen ed kemper come on onto by friday was he ex another state yet our home were happy couple welcomed grown distruption are thought i worked for half a life i mean yeah ed camper to undo by friday joe fats domino was alive we mean at one point yes he just died like today that's domino's alive until today wasn't he like a an a guy oh he's all time he he's i found mile threeround blueberry here all he's a great new orleans a pianist and rock and roll guy i figured he had to be fucking dead he was his only eighty nine what is happening i figured he was a hundred in twenty at peak whistle i thought this was a serial killer and i got excited and now you watch the video the kemper video so what what we're talking about here is a wonderful video max found and so without spoiling minehunter which you should probably watch if you like terrible things it's terrible it's really good it's really good it's very it's like a bad it's like a play it's like it's like it's a very 'cause like most of the drama takes place just with them sitting across the table from a guy interviewing and unlike unlike a lot of police procedural this is not about solving a crime the top and and we don't know calf to prove you've who darrell and we're not hunting the criminal their hunting the mind there in right won the title a soga you're absolutely right and so it's about trying to figure out try to develop a profile of like what how can we you know figure out how to solve these crimes in the future by changing the way that we think but was my point oh yeah so anyway the show several points on the show really lights up like i love it from the beginning because i'm i'm so gay for david venture i love all of his stuff we hoekstra brain either the catcher brainard is on your mind but so i'll boy now that's a bit nerd writer video that i would watch that's really all about behavior right this is what this is what robin wright learned it's all about it's time divided by behavior or learn to most of my techniques from watching the nerd writer videos about david frum.