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Staying Sane

Mentally Yours

24:26 min | 8 months ago

Staying Sane

"Mentally owns focus on your mental health. You show regrets mentally entity then men today. Everyone and welcome to mentally use. Metro couldn't uk's weekly mental health podcast casta and i'm jetting to erica crompton and professor. Stephen america is a journalist. The history of paranoid schizophrenia. And steven is an academic psychiatrist. We're going to be chatting about the new book. The beginners guide to senator. Welcome erica stevens mentally yours. Thanks very much for joining us so we has just about your book even together. The guinness guy tucson sannoussi Why did you want to create this. I had. I've always wanted to write a book about my experiences with psychosis but i kind of felt that it would have more to offer offers a book if i listed the help of a co author. He was a professional in mental health. An augment stephen a conference on and it was about schools. New routes tibet to catholic schizophrenia. anti newell basket sphere. Its area of expertise. Less ask him. let's ask him and he was for. And so we started writing this book together But just felt the kind of just mike spirit. Just the expert by experience will lived experience on and maybe wouldn't hold water. I thought that it would be much better. Talbot's that too. What about east stephen so obvious similar oversee from a professional perspective. So as okay said. I have kind of specialized in researching schizophrenia for twenty five years and look after any large number of patients with illness and other and had wanted to write a book that would be accessible to them and to a wider audience. But also one. That wouldn't be too dry rocket dynamic and around about the time. I'm i'm erica. I also told by various agents event. If i wanted to write a book like this. I definitely need to get Lots of people stories in it so lots of people with lived experience contributing Beating erica was a very happy coincidence and from there took us a while to get going but i think we broke during two eighteen and then finished off in nineteen before publishing of this year. And who would you say that. It's forty anyone with schizophrenia. And anyone is interested in like working schizophrenia. Or care and put some moments schizophrenia. Like a friend or a loved one. Yeah i think. I anyone who's got Or any other type of psychotic illness. This a few different types of psychotic illness Bipolar disorder for example People often have psychotic symptoms of that and other conditions. That are less common so anyone kinds of problems. Anyone looking off to them girlfriend. Mother father sister brother hawks would also. Perhaps anyone is our cassette. Just interested in knowing a bit more about psychosis genuine schizophrenia in particular so one of the psychiatry senior trainees kindly read the book. drafts and coming to the drafts to improve the readability. Apparently who has no connection health connection was he apparently likes reading the extent. For at least it's it's worked. It's an interesting one for me. Because i was now hundred solder and i had psychosis so it would have been lucky to have a ham but like the i think when i i have my my first bit of mania because the thing is it happens and then you get back to normal source of reading. I what's happened to. Why as happened what to do next radius. That's almost as bad as well as just happened in a way. That kind of Mystery around it. Will this fair around it. You're right to tell us a bit about your experiences again our. We've always had you on the poco before that was a while ago. now so you're right to tell we re to go right to tell listeners about your experiences psychosis first episode. Was rhinos on about twenty two Fourteen hours say it's been about two decades of living with psychosis Something i can manage quite well with medication and different therapies But it can be quite terrifying when you have a psychotic episode and there's definitely more at the start of the illness later on and i think the police spying on me. I think i've committed really henious cry and all much like a burglary or you know so of a monkey or something really say area slight blowing up canary war types areas And i just really believe. It's true. And i might start to think the The songs i hear on the radio have been written especially for me to kind of condemn more behavior or the tv might be talking to me in subliminal messages and is terrifying united states ironic to me how much fear or inspire notice when they hear a half psychosis when the reality is you know. I'm just terrified myself. Really in a housebound when it's happening. I mean tim's of my sort of experience it was so had delusions and it was. It wasn't really terrifying at the time. But i think the tara finding soon afterwards realizing that you know. I wasn't suv. No-one things like to go back to normal and is interesting. You said what you're saying about things on the tv and stuff. Because i remember having exactly the same thing in one of my Monica facilities where young. I saw the people on the radio with talking to me. You know not in the normal way of business directly And being able to control the weather and things like that. How have you felt supervising this. And what have you learned from it In terms of well the total pig we spent a really authority experience. Writing it down A blunt law. Like when i go and see a psychiatrist on my only have a fifteen minutes with With my psychiatrist so little of unanswered questions. I've i've always had at the back of my mind That i wouldn't necessarily have the time to go through with my psychiatrist. So this is kind of been like you know well as questions like causes and you know Things like cannabis. you know. it's kind of helped me sort through my in history of what my of course my psychosis And just of like you know different medications in different types of diagnosis and white take so long to arrive at one diagnosis and how they might. Kind of change over time different Old questions. I might have had is kind of addressed some of those. Yeah because it does take time. Doesn't it it was not to twenty four. So then i have my first minute kept say when i was about seventeen eighteen years. If kind of certifying that you've gone a minded not really knowing will the issue as i think the erica said there are quite a lot in the book and is one of the review is set. It's a lot into back to two pages but hopefully a relatively way all those sorts of questions that people might have a while. What's the value dogmas in. The first place was what is the diagnosis mean. Will the cools is will know of these different conditions and most importantly what what what are all the treatments about the pros and cons of drugs in general in different drugs in particular. What are all the kinds of things that people with psychosis of one fulmer. Another might benefit from there. There's a lot of different things in there. I think it's one of the publisher said when she read through a draft on the at the very least books going to give people an overview of the sorts of things that they might be able to benefit from that they may not appeal to them but my appeals them. they may be having had maybe haven't been offered the are available if they may off school. Look around for them. Yeah absolutely because. I think maybe some people that might be the assumption that the options artists who've medication And sort of that says stocks finishes with that but a quite a few things including central tentative things and sort of self management and stuff. I think this quite a lot of people can do to help themselves countries what they may have been lay believe will may have been missing full. There's a lot of people the look people can do to help themselves. There's a lot of different things out there that that might help. You know perhaps above all there's all sorts of things that are found boscell of everyday life. That are good for just about everyone to do. And there's no reason why people with psychosis count benefit from those things as well. What's a couple of those because we hear throughout the pandemic we had the government sort of saying united. Everyone should sort of look after them until house that. What are your thoughts on what everyone can do as we say in the sorts of things that are common sense in a way i mean trying eat well sleep. Well keep physically active but also keep mentally active and socially active. I think in my experience for some people. It's at least with schizophrenia. Is it's about finding the sweet spot for them in terms of doing enough to kind of stimulate them and keep them interested or not doing too much so that they start to feel stressed. In that time. You know sometimes make people feel unwell again sir. Those it's for each individual to find that sweet skull for them in terms of these overall activities with hopefully help from psychiatrists miller professionals in writing this book. Stephen is there anything. In particular that ulan cell it could have got a new perspective on from working with africa. Yeah well the. The may not signed surprising as an academic. But my best efforts. Every time i you know every time i wrote a draft i thought was sufficiently clear known jong anesthetic accessible erica. The people who read impudent with the consciousness number system site. Well you know this could be easier to read Jogging and so on and so forth. So in the end. I think after about three or four drafts of the chapters. Auden kohl's is I think we go awry a good balance between accuracy and accessibility. So that was a big learning for me last night. We we started this afloat lakers. We didn't start off by asking you if you've been doing of the posture yet. But you're right Women is being changed so much. Haven't they I guess Both pozniak and professionally you right a bit about that. Life cartridge does encourage me to be dancing During your bed while the weather's and while the weather's not so good I told the subscribe to spotify was enjoying listening to music. And she suggested way to keep up saving and keep hoppy was to to dance in doing that My physical health has taken a bit of a Fashion or a fractured a vertebrae in my spine And i'm going to more more housebound. The never Streaky you know. But there's still things that you can do from the comp- of your home during the book The help you know. Like that may be partisan a faith or listening to music or yoga or meditation like there's no end the things that come from her it's just so finding them and finding a mate vacation to do them. I guess what i say is what is i want. What i want to know is how easy do you find it to seduce. Only some of the advice in the book. It's it's quite straightforward and quite employers. May think we schizophrenia. Sometimes people don't motivate you to do things for instance if my psychiatrists all the books suggests A healthy diet and cook kane a might struggle to make tonight myself to do that. But a stephen says earlier about finding the balance that works for you and finally the really enjoyed walking. So i can. I can do that to stay well when the weather permits sets the certain things i do enjoy doing i can do the a good momentum. How from the you know. Say meditation is worn. I do like. Michael sealy hypnosis. Youtube videos Walkin is another my. She'll contact with my neighbor saw light so we'll have a conversation with the neighbor over over our wall and now it's quite noise and keeping sleep hygiene is good as well like I try and get to bed at the same time every night yet at the same time every morning. Get into a routine vice So that's one thing. I guess it's Is different for everyone. They like everyone. Symptoms will be different than what they enjoy different. So i guess i guess the the good thing about the book i've i've listed like hundred different ways i try to stay sane and then i've size why they helped me and then stephen says whether he feels or anyhow and then we've kind of left to decide whether this is something that's going to help that will but like retry. What about east. Even have you found things during the pandemic after say i find the two months of complete locked iron arken april and may very difficult when because I can obviously children I couldn't play golf until which is my my main kind of social and physical outlets on but since the kind of Less severe since we've been able to go out and a little bit within a bubble to it's not been too bad for me i I was on sabbatical to write another book a for six months from april on. I find myself sneaking into work to just as a break from a writing at home ironically enough so it wasn't the best sabbatical but i can't complain because my i think my lock six months also has been less than average How things in terms of europe iran mental health was. I guess i'm wondering will say to lockdown. Did you find you have to practice what you preach through some of the things mentioned in the book very much. Yeah i mean. I think a pretty good sleep hygiene generally but unst regular physical activity is not usually a problem for me. Although do pilots couldn't go to launch his glasses and that was a bit of a pain. I would try and go for long walks but once you go night for a long walk for narrow in every possible direction from your flat it ceases to be quite so attractive. Proposition was out in a couple of days. I remember where. I didn't get toll on which points and i definitely paid the price for. You think you'd be spent a day on your own not doing very much other than maybe watching. Tv or staring at a screen. It's not very good for you. Generally so i think everyone is always. You had the experience in the pasta few months. But i think if you've got a pre existing physical mental health problems is probably that much worse. I can take your night to what you're saying about the books thing is i am. Yeah well into the treaty seconds. Same looks at the same time. it's precious. She alternatives rainy a lot. Better during the same will against pretty tall. But it's a lot better than doing nothing so basically. What are the main takeaways that you'd want people to take from this book. Is this like a self help book. Say it's like a pocket guide that people can dip in and out alcohol to help these as you know he's going to does what it says on the tin. It's going to help people with psychosis and their friends and comedy stay sane So we they can take home a slice of sanity an exactly what you said i think about friends and family think is going to be really handy because on the one side adequately lumps them. Eli this after. I go sake. It would be great to maybe just give us to a family member of friends as sort of understand a little bit about will the way to do stuff that has gone through my head mania. Say yeah i think. I think i would agree with those points. I would also say that Book could answer questions. We've talked on on by already. I think in general we also give fairly kind of no-holds-barred kind of these experiences are like also fairly positive message off things that people can do. They can try and persuade conscious to get the right drug for them at the right dose. They can try and get other treatments from other professionals. If possible and overall even if you've got a chronic illness there is always room for hope. the condition can always improves with better treatments. And so we try and keep a fairly positive overview of is what can be quite nasty conditions. Yeah absolutely it does feel like there is also hoping ends have choices which i think is is really helpful people for one thing. I really love the way that you sort of talk about. Quite in depth about the differences of drug drugs but you will sister dimension possible side effects but anew say well his small tentatives and And also here some khalil tentative therapies and stuff so it's really wide range of things that you can do a lotta pro activities where he is. I think people can be quite hopeless. Gonna my after a cycle type site because alienating experienced as you said i think all you have a diagnosis general. This book is that it can try and make sense of those experiences of some kind of context helps explain the as give people a range of things they might be able to do. That might help themselves or help people that careful now an anti relates what you said. The anchors is it can feel like a death sentence initially after a such a strange thing. Yeah but there is. There is there is hope for recovery for who forever day. So what kind of response have you had to the beginnings guide to sanity. We've had we've had some good reviews in the lancet psychiatry Which has it informed educated on and teens and then another good review in a magazine called therapy today which a friend found Yeah and There's been a nice amazon review as well from guy that was actually features historian the book and he was really pleased with their and says it's going to order copies for family and friends to help them understand him better to respond to say fall. Have you had any customer responses yet from For maybe we have been through this kind of thing and found it useful. I haven't had any personal email because carnival told my story extensively in newspapers and magazines. And maybe you're going to the emails. I'm gonna get now. I think people more story and thought the only personal emails ni- a couple of patients have bought the book. Unfortunately i didn't get enough free copies to give away to orientation spark up on my patients booking find a certificate mindset I do have copies to give to each. The three patients of nine stories are mentioned in the book on. Haven't been able to give them to them yet as thank me doing telephone review -pointment until probably next summer i guess the other thing i mean i think there are some. Eric said this a few reviews on amazon and elsewhere. That are very positive from from various people including nathan foley shock in the fall and another book of psychosis. And we've we were delighted that we've been nominated for the people's book prize as well so we're on the shortlist of the people's book prize which result which will be cleared. i think in april Tastic things view As i say it's really help for him. Dolphins is definitely needed. What is amazing that something before other converts the have been looted to at the beginning of the people's own accounts of their illness on those being psychiatrists or other professionals. Who given their views about psychosis. Schizophrenia bipolar disorder. But as far as we know it's the first kind of joint efforts will will will genuine piece of coke reduction certainly about psychosis possibly but possibly in mental health generally and it's brilliant. Because it's i think important to get those two size it's fantastic with a choice for me mentally If you've been affected by any of the issues we've been chatting about today. 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Anne-Sophie Mutter

Monocle 24: The Big Interview

30:09 min | 1 year ago

Anne-Sophie Mutter

"I cannot describe it with words what it means to have an instrument who is capable of everything. So much more of what I'm capable OSC and sometimes particularly in new musical relationship like the one with John Williams where the new repertoire asks. Also, you know different colors in different treatment of the instrument. I'm astounded endlessly astounded that this strat from seventeen ten. It all it's it's like A. Book full of medicals. It's a humbling experience because they know that the violin will survive me and I can only hope that someone after I have passed away is loving and caring for the instrument as much as I do. Violinist and Sophie Mutter is one of the world's preeminent virtuoso classical soloists for forty years. The German performer has thrilled audiences collaborated with composers one enough prizes for her trophy cabinet to resemble a small glittering country in its own right. Mercer has unsurprisingly left her mark on the great classical repertoire, well, having schools of original works written for from the likes of Andre Previn to John Williams. She's had a decades long love affair, of course, with her Violin Stratovarius impeccable heritage about which will later. I'm Robert Bounds and I spoke to Miss Mutter back in March ahead of a concert with the London Philharmonic Orchestra Celebrating The two hundred fiftieth anniversary of Beethoven's birth. Welcome to the big interview and Sophie Mutter lovely to have you Tomorrow you take to the stage of the Royal Festival Hall his in London. How does that concert differ from all the thousands of other concerts that you played how do you coach playing Beethoven's triple concerto tomorrow night as opposed to any other I've just recorded re recorded it off to forty s again with your your mom with the wonderful your mom as a conductor. And pianist of course, was an incredibly memorable musical collaboration and tomorrow evening. I will play the triple concerto with ketchup really one of my favorite pianists and Pablo Rhonda's one of the world's greatest young cellists. He's also called off my foundation. So this is a totally different musical setting. I'm very excited about this combination particularly also work with Kutcher only for the second time. And we have a great musical and also human pause. So it's particularly exhilarating and inspiring to play with different musicians. The same pitch y you know, and I'm not looking forward to renew my musical ties with the L. P. O.. I have played with these fabulous musicians motorcycle at the recording of all the motor Vyinka Eddie without conductor, and it would not have been. Possible if not for the leadership qualities of every single playoff, the L. P., O. and Robin teach. Yati was leading the program is really one of the most interesting and versatile and most wonderful young conductor. So really I couldn't be happier. So there's a bit of the Jollity of a united friendship group. That's good stuff like that bear itself out in the playing with yourself. And then an orchestra that you will an audience member with a honed ear they oughta here friendship in those I think they will here also because that sounds a little strange but also because the tennyson the violinist we play by memory and just so also the physical into action and you know looking at each other and really literally taking musical phrases out of each other's brains and hands is much different. If you don't have you know a score in between and I think this. Also comes into play more. How does that work? There spontaneity you're playing with repertoire that's two hundred and twenty years old how far of Beethoven's well founded rails I think wonderment lies in the details. The triple concerto is one of Beethoven's more festive, more sunny pieces. If you want to use that word, it was written in his middle period actually in a appeared after he had dropped the highly testament where he struggles with life with his beginning deafness with his destiny of, of course, he was aware off turning deaf and what that meant in society people talking about this back him not being able to get. Any more, how would you go about his composing with only hearing using his Ya he was thinking about taking his life struggling with God with his future. So really the middle period is already maybe more heroic, but also more dramatic in his mana in his musical manner. But also with great tenderness he he explores great ten which you can hear between the free instruments in the second movement hop where the cello who has very leading part it's it's probably. The only. Yeah. It's probably about is the only cello concerto with violent and piano at Beethoven's ridden. So the cello introduces the theme of the Second Movement, and then the piano is coming in and accompanying actually the winds have the melody and then the cello is joined by the violin. So you don't have to go really astray in change tempe willfully change what Beethoven is written in terms of pandemic, but there's so much underneath the surface in the. Small, justice that actually on entire cosmos in themselves I mean I feel like I'm listening it's hearing you talk about and obviously you have a deep knowledge of your favorite composers. Important is the bog of of Beethoven playing his music or any composer. It is very helpful to know, and of course, in Beethoven's life, his human relationships with his nephew and regimes. If women who relationships with friends for whom he had written pieces, I mean, let's think of the. Duke Rudolph was one of most. Important Mentors and friends knowing about that is shaping understanding of where to place the pieces. But you know the pieces by themselves. I'm very grateful for Beethoven to have written continuously throughout his life span for violin he has written his first string trio and this wasn't opus free at already. Ex employees in terms of really throwing overboard what Haydn had left as the perfect measurement. For that, you know group of free players and he's presenting a trio which has five movements. It's totally revolutionary and he was the first composer who would also applies for Tandy in the dope peonies and he would really push music to the edge. Obviously also the perform to the edge off the emotional possibilities and the promptness of change of colors and. Of. Hot and cold and loud and soft is totally tremendous. So going back to Beethoven and his treatment for the violin search offers free string trio, and then you know he goes on opus twelve this early Sonatas, very high risk and then you have open twenty, three, twenty, four, you're thirty, you have forty-seven, the crater. What I'm aiming at is you don't need to Redo by over for you just need to read what he has in the. then. The no, it's end. Of course, it is in the relationship between the symphonies and Fidelio also in the middle period of his life Violin Concerto, the triple concerto and then no, he's late string quartets. That's something I'm dreaming off since I'm a young music student do finally in my life is Solo is come around that repertoire and I have I have started. Now I'm starting now in the new police, some of his quantites and I'm preparing now with fabric members of the pio the hop quantity, which is also middle. Period piece by Beethoven and I hope that I can bring that to if not any. Major. Health crisis is coming in the middle than we will play to a later stage. So it would be a trio by Beethoven or the Hop Quartet and you know the last pieces Beethoven hedren actually a string quartet. So I'm very grateful to be able as violinist to his development as you know from the young man to the really extremely visionary composer has left. A quantites we still one daw and tried to decipher one day about in terms of harmonic structure and where he wants to go with it, it still is a miracle and mesmerizing and big playground for many wonderful quoted players and we don't have solution but which style intrigued by it I love the fact that the biographies there in the notes you only discover. Yeah. The truth of Beethoven. reliving it really being more than the notes because the notes Sophie go buy drilling other. Wonderful. living Capozza, from Kazan the Tatar Republic of Kazan Shiro to second violin concerto for me, which is called Tim presents and she she explained how she composes I think that's probably not in the process of composing but what? It. Means for her ought to have to scribble down what she he is in in a yeah. She says, she is this gigantic like walk you know and and then she has to decipher and write it down because the music as she writes it down escapes from memory but the kind of set pod is she says what she writes down is only a shadow of what she has heard and for some of her ideas that is not even an instrument invented yet. So. It is your Bo-. I don't know, but it's like three stride free strides stuff and you have somehow to bring it up to its its splendor and it takes more than just playing the notes because the notes is just a vague kind of roadmap. was. The repertoire the difference between. Repertoire. New Music. If Wax Poetic as it is easy to pay over not necessarily always poetically as you though but composer, you've with a lot who's producing new music still John Williams. Oh. Wondered why. It's so different but sort of not so many ways. No. What is it like working with a composer of great renounce on new New Music? What are they doing to you as a great playas greatest soloist? Do they take a sports car for a drive when they? S Ya WanNa test you. Yeah. Oh definitely and every time I'm like you know as small as a fly if at all that tall I, remember when I played from Mississippi, by Duly Now oh, my God like I was drenched in sweat after playing for that is really the moment of truth because within new piece they is no reference which is great. That's why I love new pieces but of course, you also on the edge of guess working your way toward the inward this language so you never quite know if you're guesswork. into it getting under the skin of the composition is totally off in the Cobas going to laugh at you send you home all worse I love you to be sent home. That's you don't carrying us once said when I was. Yes with the Beethoven Concerto I already knew it because I was fourteen and he was under the impression I had to learn it and I just felt totally inadequate but anyhow so Iowa Wendy, he wanted me to play it for him and you know I'm just playing merely twenty Bosnia's looking up from his Co. and tells me comeback, mixed deal. So off I went and. I came back and we recorded it and Blah Blah but John Williams. Yeah. So that is one of greedy superbly great moments in my life because I grew up in the black forest and when style was. Like forest through the breakfast all wonderment in ninety seventy eight. I wasn't the cinema of course, and that's score just totally blew me away and of course when I go to the cinema also have is and I'm watching the movie, but I'm too much musician not to. Watch, leave my es. There's an elbow. So what really? Stuck with me. All these decades was the goal and I became a fan of John Williams and. I watched many movies I was not necessarily like it was not as interested in et itself but in the music. So and then about six years ago I I met this genius composer and if I have learned, one thing in my life is to overcome my shyness because for example, tech talk me to I would've loved to have vitamin concerto by Takemitsu, but I was too shy to ask. So I learned from that and I'm blazing what now and You Vos I really adore I. I take the risk of being torn down at actually also goes smitten with my. With my question if he you know possibly one day would ride a few from me and he was he's always terribly busy. But at that time he had another productive Spielberg and. Of course better things to do. So he very commonly said, yes, maybe one day but at the moment ends on off and as he likes to tell the story apparently I sent him, it's true that s emptied cookies but really not an auditor freshmen come on that is that's unforgivable. Yes cookies. Okay. So It must be drenched in breads. Anyhow we took it very charming knee and wrote back and said you know for these twenty cookies better right for you now twenty? PAS. Of Music he drives a hard bargain. So, this is how music collaboration started with mocking very beautiful short, peaceful violin and Chamber Orchestra has been printed. In tanglewood I think some for years ago and as a fan also off his life as a film composer, I asked if he could rewrite a few of his. Tunes from style was mainly Princess Leia and across the spouse, and so he did and it grew and grew and grew in rode and rode and rode, and you know now we have about sixteen great titles and teach us gave his debut in Vienne with enough and I'm only going because people stood on their heads. I've never seen anyone including carry on being being that will income and that justice withstanding of Asia I mean this man comes into the hall people get he's conducting. People get it the the concert which usually takes two hours to create. And what it is for me, which is so fascinating. Also John. Williams. I previous hour recording last year for across the stars I. of course, went to California to rehearse with him all the pieces I had prepared and we had free intense days with the pianist going through all these. Dramatic, also, so different pieces of music think off remembrances from Schindler's List and then you have gay shop then you have dropped lot totally different then yes. The dwell from Tintin, his first nation movie with speed book. Then you have star wars with this heroic French horn. I'm now suddenly as opposed to sound like Roy French on then you have hedrick from Harry Potter and there is this the iconic beginning and I'm supposed to sound like lest you know this kind of very glass ish. Pale. Transparent. Does sound ended till this moment. Is Sacha an inspirational task to slip into these different cultures of musical language and sounds and emotions on that? No you've got. You've got to kind of set sex when you're playing with John Williams somebody from stars is Harry Potter vacation something like that you've got the set texts you've got the movie The referred to. I wonder if that helps or hinders the playing away, you need to get into into a different space to play the music. Of course when I play things like like Harry Potter I do you have glimpses of memories when I went with my children because that's these are very personal family memories but actually I've always found that John's music is like program using. Let's say it's like Sherazade awesome funny. Fantastic or it is music which stays very well alone. You don't need the pictures definitely the movie needs his music, but he has music thousand the movie. So I don't have to think of the story of Geisha in order to totally understand in which world we all know I suppose whether it's Beethoven with Jim Williams. In a sense the story is on the is in the notation. Absolutely. That's what. Music language in the understanding of the idiom for which they are writing I'm how do you prepare as we say tomorrow night you're going to be in London traveling around Europe the world always how do you prepared? To to before you go on stage the day before in a city or the day before you go on stage. giving. Big Smile the. Wonder. You what what gets you into the atmosphere is She got into an art gallery as opposed to taking your violent out and practicing. That's a very I wonder how you get into the. To probably odd got gotta Rea- some really kind of super stimulating exciting stuff. I wouldn't do on the day of the concept done that and that somehow although I love to do it but it's so inspirational does it takes focus away from the constitution I can do it the day before which was impossible today because at literally the entire day rehearsals or the day after. So on the day of the concert ideally. The morning and then you know more discussions maybe with my two colleagues and then I will try to just take a long walk rest a bit and get into the zone. Hopefully. Yeah. But the sad part in my profession is maybe also for its you can train as much as you want and do everything. Right there is no recipe to really get the results you have worked. So long dreamed of Salang and that is a very humbling experience. Frustrating. Salt the humility I. Wonder if you can only play actually this is a question. This is a question for soloists the world over, but it's a question you obviously whether you can any really play perfectly when performing. Do you have moments in the rehearsal room when you absolutely nailed something, will you reach a pitch of emotion? You become one with the school, the music, the composer, and all of their intentions that you haven't matched on the stage or does that always happen on stage at a higher pitch than you could ever hope for hustle. In rehearsals I, think many of Osmania fans, musicians, go for it and I love to do that. I have never understood musicians who kind of hold back to safe it for the evening why you don't even know if they will be an evenings, it's just go for it, and then the other thing is that I think we all need an audience. You know because the thing right because an empty room is quiet nobody coffee. That's great. But this kind of silence is much different. When that two thousand people, all thousand people five hundred people sitting in silence and an expectation of what is yet to come. It's like you're sending out waves and you need someone who is on your wavelength to receive, and if that play comes into play than anything is possible that's amazing. I hoped that would be the answer that these things would come to fruition an old link-up perfectly, and that's the public arena. That's the reason why most of my recordings including the triple concerto recording our? Is Life because it just I mean going to the studio what I dislike about the student is that you can repeat. And in repetition lies kind of also the death of spontaneity because then you get so. I don't know your first technical perfection takes over the sense of liberating yourself musically inches diving into it. Yeah. You sell. Everything? Yes. It's a bit like auto tuning for Pop Star You Listen to the radio and it sounds perfect. Pouring sweat is missing the sweat. Yeah. So That's interesting that idea of the studio recording and the live recording and you've always tended towards the live recording. And the kind of Watson, all or that's the kind of medal in the ice skating right? That's where you go for that maneuver and it is the ultimate risk. Yes you can do it. Oh Yeah. The live recording then you're hitting the. and. If not, you also have to forgive yourself you know if you have tried hot, you have to find a balance I think going on stage is you have these? Personas the one which is controlling the situation, the architecture of the peace and make sure you're not getting lost all of that not getting lost in the moment, but you know the narrative. Raises going to but the other off causes the one who wants to get lost and wants to go for the risks and finding finding the balances I. Think what makes this profession so exciting because it's Every evening you know a different experience and you are never sure of the outcome if you grew up in the black forest, you never going to get lost in console. Forest. I wanted to ask about your relationship with your instruments and your instruments that valuable things you must have an exceptionally intimate relationship with. How would you describe that relationship must be like a no, you have children, but it must be akin to that. Children is you know having to cheater is actually the greatest? I have in my life fought having the privilege of playing an owning an instrument now already for. Thirty. Pure. Forty seven years. Is He's just I. I cannot describe it with words what it means to have an instrument who is capable of everything. So much of what I'm capable to ask and sometimes particularly in a new musical relationship like the one with John Williams with the new repertoire also for know different colors in a different treatment off the instrument I'm astounded endlessly astounded that this strat from seventeen ten. How's it? All? It's it's like a book full of miracles. It's a humbling experience because they know that the volume will survive me I can only hope that someone after I have passed away ease loving and caring for the instrument as much as I do yeah. Because it is like a Stadion. It's a part of me and funny enough. We know that neurologically the body like in the tennis player accepts the record as a part of the body and really the violin once she is on my shoulder, it's total symbiotic relationship. Yeah, I mean it's it's amazing to watch you on televised concerts to see up close with that thing. It feels like another limb it's a moving thing. How do you treat it when you're in a hotel? Oh, when you're in when you backstage when you're at home, where does it sit on the asking you from Sheri- perfect? No no no I just feel like it must have a very special place little. Home you know she's always safe. I have other things in life to attend to. It's not that you know need to cling to my violin, but I am actually very grateful I mean don't laugh. I'm very grateful after a wonderful concert I'm just grateful to the instrument to so responsive and to my life in general because as a string player, it is a special relationship it's different to is not that the pianist Wouldn't love to have piano travel around the world with, but it's just not in the cards for most of them. So they made you if having an instrument every evening and you know that is excitement in that as well. But for a string player having a voice and being permitted to keep it for an extended period is is what life is all about false onstage? Do you know where your who the previous? Custodian. The interesting part is this Strat was also owned by Jeddah Hani for whom Ravel had written siegen and so when he played try record funny things. Gone it's like you know I just lean back into violence to do it all by himself and sits real fun. It does it feel like that sometimes clearly you are. You're an absolute great, but you feel like the Violin is guiding you some. Well you know I love to play non we brought to where it seems musically appropriate and Indanan we brought selects. Let's take go back to Beethoven, the Epilogue of the first movement which I play on the g string and it's such a wonderful remembrance of what the FEM- ones was and I plead sense of he brought into the vining actually speaks by herself. I'm just kind of using the bow, but it's it's totally the instruments speaking and that adds of course you know I had the most sensational. Moment in the Library of Congress in Washington a few years ago because I was permitted to play on one of its. instruments. And so they took it the old and I'm playing on it and. Instantaneously, I'm sounding like Fritz Kreisler. Freak? Yes. Thing you know my sound had vanished and suddenly. I was him because violent mind of its own muscle mass. Amazing. It's amazing. So whoever gets my mining has to wrestle with me how? Poor. Poor people we talk about your relationship with other players and orchestras as a whole. How does that work minute? Don't know that well, and you will can and you you great reputation. How do you do you have to do a little dumps around with that orchestra to to kind of fit in or not to purpose? How'd you invaluable self into Tra i? Think Music is great. It's a great lesson for life because it's about listening and while you're listening and commenting musically speaking now you are, of course hearing what the answer is to you're playing and you take that into the equation and you change your viewpoint. Let's say on the subject I think that's very important in life, and that's why think music education is so important for children because it's a great education for life about leadership being public group and listening while you're making up your next sentence. So that is the case when I play with the new orchestra if I don't know them at all then I'm did you can leak carefully listening, and then of course I do an extra. If I'm not doing that more ready. To inspire them. To get them off their chairs to get them out of their shell and to really really engage them by now conductors upset with me if I talked directly to the concert master into some colleagues in the artist to kind of speed up the process of because it's a joint venture. I wanted to ask you finally whether on most nights you play whether it is the music itself the notes that have right down two hundred Algeria's ago or whether it is the collegiate. Sympathetic kind of symphonic nature of the orchestra. Muzy that Spurs you on. You know this West East Stephen, orcas tried founding bom, which now goes into its twenty first year. This year is something which I find extremely valuable and moving because it shows us in a small scale. What possible That people who have been told that the enemies they find out Oh, you know my neighbor has exactly the same wishes and dreams and obviously also writes feelings as I have I I would wish that there would be more music and I see the place in music is not. Being a nice pastime more hoppy or any event I think music is really the glue which keeps people together or should keep people together and bring us closer because it's totally non judgmental. No matter what cultural background you have what you believe in life. Once you sit in concert, we all feel the same. And it transcends our bodies and. That on this beautiful Blue Planet, we can only survive. If we understand that we all know what happens to you happens to me. And that we all need to maybe not in times of Corona virus get too close together. But she no, we need empathy for of and music is this wonderful bond between us where we don't even have to studied in order to understand it it's one of those wrath. Former we have to know it. Doesn't sweeps as off our feet. Do you sometimes wish you in the audience? I'm quite happy where I am. Okay. Mostly. Agree with that and Sophie. Mutter, thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. My thanks to and Sophie Mutter whose latest release John Williams in Vienna is released next week on August fourteenth. Please make an appointment to tune into next week. Of the big interview to it was produced and edited by Yearning Goffin and Steph jungle I've been Robert. Thank you very much vicini.

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The Coronavirus in the Middle East, With Steven A. Cook

The President's Inbox

29:49 min | 1 year ago

The Coronavirus in the Middle East, With Steven A. Cook

"Welcome to the president's inbox a see if our podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States. I'm Jim Lindsey Director Studies at the Council on four relations. This week's topic is covert nineteen in the Middle East. What's being discussed? How the corona virus impacting. The middle? East is Steven Cook. Stephen is the NFL. Enrico Matai senior fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies. At the Council on Foreign Relations. His most recent book is false dawn protests democracy in violence in the new. Middle East Steven. Thanks for being here. It's a great pleasure to be with you. I want to note that Stephen. Eyer practicing physical distancing and so we were recording from respected homes. We apologize for any audio issues. That may crop up or if any of our family members make unscheduled guest appearances. I hope you're doing well Stephen. I am doing well Jim. How about you saw hanging in there adjusting to working remotely obviously the topic dominating the conversation not just here in the United States but around the world is the effects of the pandemic of the impact of the Coron virus think particularly a lot of experts are concerned about the interaction between the virus and politics around the world particularly in countries with fragile political structures or weak medical infrastructure in a lot of conversation about the Middle East and you know a lot about many of the countries in that region and so let me go on a little bit of a tour and I want to start by talking about Egypt place. You've lived written a lot about professional. You give us some sense of what is happening in Egypt right now as it faces the challenge of covert nineteen. Yeah thanks Egypt is a significant challenge right now it has about thirteen hundred cases in only about eighty five deaths but Egypt is a country of one hundred million people or more about a third of whom live in the Greater Cairo area. Cairo's IT obviously a megalopolis. It's very very hard for people to practice physical distancing especially in poorer neighborhoods of Cairo. And I think what the Egyptians are really struggling with is what I think. Many all over the world are struggling with is the difference between the cases that they know about an what is feared might be the real infection rate. How much faith do you put in the official numbers? Put out by the government. Stephen but it's always a good practice to take whatever. The Egyptian government is telling you in terms of numbers with a grain of salt in an indication of that being a good practice is that they have actually arrested journalists or kicked foreign journalists out of the country four reporting on what may be a greater infection rate or the lack of preparedness on the part of the Egyptian state. So people are watching Egypt in quite worried about what might happen. There are some things that are in Egypt advantage despite having a a rather fragile public health system they have successfully tackled hepatitis C. Which at one point Egypt had the most significant number of cases of Hepatitis C? In the world they did a deal with the bird flu and swine flu. They didn't necessarily deal with it. As effectively or artfully as some might have hoped but they do have some experience in dealing with pandemics and they have been doing the kind of surveillance that in a limited way that they should be doing. But what Egypt confronts is that. It needs everything it needs test kits. It needs protective equipment. It needs ventilators. You name it. The Egyptians need it and they're in line behind a number of very important countries with a lot more money like the United States countries in the European Union other major countries that are out in the international marketplace scooping up test kits in ninety five masks in other types of things. Show the reporting now coming out of Egypt in hospitals as the case load increases is dire doctors having really no protective equipment and patients going without a ventilator Have really no no shot at beating covered nineteen already chances of someone leaving the intensive care unit after being intimated input on the ventilator are about fifty percent? Egyptians just don't seem to have the number ventilators they need right now or will need as the number of cases go up as I mentioned the top of the episode Steven One of the big questions. A lot of people in our business have is the outcome of the interaction between the disease in the political apparatus tacit lead countries to pull together. Does it accentuate existing splits as you look at the Egyptian news media and I understand the constraints of censorship that exists in the country. Do you sense that? There is a doubling resentment in Egypt. Over the course of the disease or is it still too early to see that kind of political impact? Oh if you look at the at the press that is Egyptian and within the country but the coverage is not hasn't been critical there's been some good investigative reports done by people to shed light on what the Ministry of Health is doing which was acting think extremely important. I actually learned a lot from it but overall the press has been leveraged in Egypt to support government and press on the outside opposition. Press press that is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood has been form or critical than obviously the prestigious in Egypt. Their their hope project is to de-legitimize the government but stories are leaking out about the lack of preparedness on the part of Egyptians than the actual quite dire situation within Egyptian prisons which are overflowing with political prisoners so there was a hint really early on issues related to cove nineteen could turn into a broader complaints about the state of Egyptians lives. Not just politics early on the Saudi. In the Kuwaiti governments. Were requiring foreign workers have certificates saying that they were free of the novel? Corona virus and thousands of the options appeared in front of the Ministry of Health demanding a test and of course. The police showed up in with the police. Generally do they beat people up and they started beating. People up might Egyptian into lockers. Who are witnesses to this? Had said that there is a real concern that as the situation goes on as the real impact of covert nineteen dawns on people that it could turn people out into the streets who are going to demand change in the government has since two thousand thirteen with the SEC's come to power has relied mostly on coercion enforce to maintain control and really Egypt is going through an unprecedented period of repression. So he should keep an eye on. What's happening in Egypt? Absolutely what am I close? Agip friend Said Hey look. The Egyptian government is not being truthful with the people at the extent of the infection rate because the year chaos and uprising and potentially even collapsed. Let's move north and I wanNA talk about the other great object of your professional attention. Which is Turkey now? Turkey is a country of about eighty two million people. It has according to official statistics. Six hundred forty nine deaths from the corona virus that works out to about eight deaths per one million people just put that in perspective in the United States. The death rate right now is about thirty three deaths per million people. If you go to Spain Italy both of those are above two hundred seventy death million so at least in the official statistics a lot lower in Turkey but tells a little bit more about what's happening on the ground in Turkey will. What is the great fear in Turkey? Is that the model suggest that Turkey is on a trajectory that will exceed the death rate in. It'll and that's because the Turks have been very very slow in realizing that infact Turks could become infected just a month ago the Turks were touting the fact that there is one case in the country in the defeated and health minister was was being touted as a as a great hero and others were saying we better get prepared for this in those people whether doctors or journalists were either arrested course to apologize publicly while the government dither to this day given the warnings of the problems at Turkey's is gonNA face in the problems particularly situated in a in a city like Istanbul Megalopolis which like New York City United States the vast majority of cases in the country. There's been no real locked down. There have been stayed home owners in all the provinces of the country. But no lockdown people are still going to work president air. John announced a curfew for people over sixty five in between eighteen and twenty but then carve out exceptions for people in the ages of eighteen to twenty and numbers of people are still going to work in the infection rate increases in the death rate is increasing. We had in Turkey a similar situation that you had in the United States where there was a debate about public health versus economic wellbeing and the Turks are even in less of a position to be able to afford shutting down. The country are already confronting major economic issues as a result. The government has been very very reluctant to issue a lockdown or even though public health officials are sounding the alarm that Turkey could in the coming weeks. Look like Italy or worse now. Obviously one of the big issues politically for Turkey has been what's happening next door. In neighboring Syria Turkey is already home to large numbers of displaced Syrians. One of the concerns a lot of people obviously have is about the transmission of current virus if it gets into refugee camps whether on the Turkish side of the border on the Syrian side of the border. Any sense Stephen of what's happening on that front. Well the Turkish military is obviously quite worried about it recently. They have announced that troop movements have to stop. There's large number Turkish forces in both northwestern and northeastern Syria and there can be no movement of troops back from Syria into Turkey without the express permission of senior command backing uncle. The Turks most recently intervened in northwestern Syria because of the Syrian regime and Russian assault on the Syrian province of inlet. Pushing about a million people up against Turkey's border in northwestern Syria and the Turks were quite worried about large numbers of people coming across the border. They already host about three and a half million refugees. Most of them from Syria. The Turks have been able to offer some medical support to those people. Small numbers of current virus caskets have gotten into it live in been sent back to Turkey for testing but by and large. There's very very little medical care in live. The Syrians and the Russians had targeted hospitals and other medical care facilities in the province and it is beyond comprehension for anybody to believe that corona virus is in prison in Libyan. Isn't president among these large numbers of people who are trying to escape the Syrian Russian assault and Reno despite shutdowns of borders in halt to travel bet. The current Ivars doesn't respect travel bans. So one of my concerns is that with large numbers of Turkish forces. Russian forces there are aid workers in the area European journalists Russians that the corona virus will continue to infect people and that out of this area in Italy where we really don't know much about what the infection rate is will fuel continued infection rates in Turkey in Lebanon in Jordan in Russia in Greece and beyond into Europe. I think it is an in fact. Refugee camps in war zones throughout the region should be setting off alarm bells around World Capitals. But of course world capitals themselves are overwhelmed by infection rates in death rates associated with novel Corona Virus. Just a quick question on this point Stephen. Because I think you're quite right about what could happen. Enriched you camps not just in Syria or in the Middle East but elsewhere around the world. Are you seeing any signs that the international community if I can use that phrase is mobilizing to get test kits protective equipment to people in the refugee camps? Or is it as you point out? Countries are so focused on. What's happening at home? They're not thinking about what's going to be happening outside their borders. The people who do this kind of work are dependent upon where do called the international community so the United Nations High Commission for Refugees is doing what it can to provide assistance to people in refugee camps. But even at its best under normal circumstances medical care in these camps are quite basic and this is obviously an emergency so in places where to use the overused phrase now where the curve has flattened and it seems that the corona virus is under control mostly in China. The Chinese have been providing aid around the world. But what this really needs is a global response and you can't have a global response if the majoring in in wealthiest countries in the world are themselves consumed with trying to save people in our own countries. So you do have some evidence. Some cases of cooperation the Israelis and the Palestinians have in some cases cooperated in trying to contain the virus but look the Gaza Strip has sixty ventilators for two million people and I would note. The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated places in the world. As we know that they spread the diseases related to physical density. Right in Israeli is have permitted actually sent their own equipment into Gaza. Strip but look. Israel itself is dealing with an outbreak. They have about nine thousand cases. The death rates relatively low only about sixty gaps. Thousands of idea personnel are in quarantine so again presents. A special challenge in the question is in the Middle East is going to drive countries to cooperate or is it going to drive them apart. If you work on this region long enough to become cynical I was already cynical to begin with and it strikes me that whatever cases we have of you know the Israelis allowing Palestinian security forces into East Jerusalem to help maintain order. It doesn't really change the political calculus of all the actors in the region and there is a sense that despite you know again a Bahir their expressions of solidarity with the Iranian people that not much in terms of relations between these countries will change. Well this obviously creates a challenge for the Israeli government. Stephen not just a domestic challenge at home of trying to stem the spread of the virus but obviously Israel. Lizzani turbulent neighborhood. If I can put it that way and what happens in Lebanon what happens in Jordan matters a lot for Israeli security as you know. Countries like Lebanon and Jordan are politically fractured and they also don't have create healthcare systems to get a sense of how the Israelis or anybody else's reacting to the potential for Kern virus in either of those two small countries. Well you know. The Israelis are obviously engage in a lot of thinking out about their neighbors. The Danes have had some problems recently politically but the when it came to the corona virus of Jordanians lockdown actually faster than most other countries in the region have a modest number of cases but of course Jordan is extremely important to the Israelis. The Israelis would do what they can to ensure that King. Abdullah in his government's weather approve Iris. Storm or the political fracturing that might result from high infection and death rate real concern for the Israelis is what will corona virus due to the Iranians and their allies in. His law will so devastate Iranians in his blood. That will temporarily at least. Mya a at the threat from those two from the perspective. Israel's will diminish were not in. You know if you take a look at what's happening in Iraq with Iranian backed militias who continue to confront the US forces. I think the answer is that despite the fact that the Iranians have huge number of cases almost sixty three thousand in almost four thousand deaths that the Iranians remain prime to challenge both the United States in Israel and the region Israelis have continued their own campaign against Iran especially in Syria. So again I think in some ways despite the threat and challenges to everybody in the region it is business as usual. Let's talk a little bit more about Iran as you point out. Iran has been one of the country's most affected by the current of Irish. Imagine a death toll of nearly four thousand people. I think it works out to about forty six deaths per million and again we're quoting would bleed to be official statistics which may significantly understate the actual impact of the disease. Do you see any signs that the disease is creating political or intensifying political fissures in Iran. Obviously the trump administration has been engaged in this maximum pressure. Strategy dates back pretty much. The start of the trump administration's term in office desire is to basically inflict pain on Iran. So that it changes its behavior is the corona virus playing into that strategy working at cross purposes with it. It really is a combination of factors. I hit US. The were perfect storm but it is a perfect storm of problems. For the Ryan's you have as you point out Jim. The maximum pressure campaign which was part of the United States to apply as much economic pressure on the Iranians as possible. You already had political figures in the country if you remember back to January even before in in the fall there were protests in Iran major cities in back in January after the killing of custom Sumani Iranian shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet lead to big protests because the Iranian government initially lied and covered up of what had actually happened then you have the onslaught of the corona virus in Iran which was believed to have started in the holy city of palm and brought by Chinese contract workers. Were building a subway system in calm and that has had a major impact on the Iranian accommodating late February dispute between Russia in Saudi Arabia led to a precipitous in significant drop in the price of Barrel of oil to blow three dollars a barrel. All of these things together have had a major impact on the Iranian economy. But we haven't seen people out in the streets in Iran. We may yet see that as time goes on but I think that people are are suffering with both the outbreak as well as trying to get by and extremely difficult economic times that has not translated into a change in posture on the part of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and their proxies around the region. Whether it's a rocky proxies Hezbollah or even the WHO `this in Yemen one steven. It's a good question. I think that the Iranians want to demonstrate to the United States in particular that they still have options and that they remain a potent force in the region that Iran is not going to capitulate so easily to the United States and so they carry on the campaign. I think that there's a and this is often. The case and I counseled colleagues in Francis had think like an IRA commander. Don't think like someone else in think about how the United States is the Great Satan and that you always want to be in a position of strength with regard to to the great thing even if you are weak in the Iranians are actually quite weak but they have resources available to them specifically these proxies that can be used to send a message to the United States and its allies around the region that despite it being weakened by the virus sanctions and global oil market they can still inflict pain on adversaries around the region. What do you make Stephen of President? Trump's warning last week against Iran that he would bring about heightened retaliation for any attacks on. Us troops. I think it was in response to the fact that the proxies in Iraq had continued campaign against US forces in there were indications as people say here in DC that these proxy forces were planning something very big against American forces in Iraq. It's perhaps that the president made that statement that the Iranian proxies have backed down but while we are all focused on the novel Corona Virus in the situation here in the United States and around the world. Those proxies have been active. An have gone after Americans continued to target Americans in the United States has been consolidating American giving up bases in the region. That have been Batori Stephen let's go across the Persian Gulf talking about Saudi Arabia. The United Arab Emirates. Have they been affected by the corona virus? Or if they moved early like you mentioned Jordan had done to cut off people coming into the country. Well let's start with the U. A. Which has about two thousand cases in eleven deaths so far the Emirati is have a lot of state capacity and they moved relatively quickly kind of like the South Koreans in doing a tremendous amount of testing at one point. The airport Abu Dhabi had done more current of testing than all of the United States had done and so they moved very very aggressively to test. Track Still Dubai is a crossroads of the world. Emirates airline has a global. Reach your people from all over the world in Dubai. You have huge numbers of guest workers from India from Bangladesh from the Philippines. Doing all kinds of work in the United Arab Emirates. And it's very unclear. How much testing has been done in these worker camps where people live in a very cramped wet but so far it seems if official numbers are to be believed that the emerets has gotten the virus under control there have been times in. Dubai where there have been stayed home orders. I have friends living you buy who have been locked down but this virus. We don't understand a lot about it and so the good news. For the MARONEY's they've a very robust ability to test in track. People said Arabia has almost three thousand cases. Three gets so far A lot of resources to throw at the problem although also contending with low oil prices the Saudis the rotties have also have some experience because they dealt with the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome number of years ago another corona vars and the Saudis are on the verge of cancelling the annual pilgrimage to Mecca known as the Hajj because they don't want to bring millions of people from all over the world that could cause a major outbreak among either hajj pilgrims or within Saudi Arabia itself. I'm just curious Stephen just on that question of potentially cancelling the high which I believe is supposed to start at the end of July. Are there any political risk to the Saudi government in doing so given that the hajj is an important right for Muslims around the world in fact one of the obligations of Islam's to go on Hajj? Once in a lifetime there is some risk of course you know. Mccain is the custodian of the Two Holy Mosques and the Saudis of course are proud of the fact that they managed the hajj which is an extraordinary operation a lot of money from the Hajj but by and large in places around the Middle East particularly in the Gulf when religious authorities have told people to pray from home. Do not come to the mosque on Friday during the rest of the week. During the five prayer times to pray from people have complied in the religious authorities have been generally on top of this in some places. They've been late to make these announcements. Turkey was one of those places where they were. They were late to make the announcement not to gather in large numbers to pray. I think the Saudis have enough clout at the king as the keeper of the Two Holy Mosques to you say we cannot hold the hajj because we want to keep Muslims healthy and alive rather than contribute to sickness in ill health. I think you'll find people within the Islamic world who'd be critical of this but I think by and large from a global perspective the Saudis will be acting if in fact they do cancel the highest. We'll be acting in a responsible and constructive way I will note that the Saudis in the past I'm thinking during the abol the crisis in what two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen forbid people from west African countries from coming to the Hajj right. They've done that at other periods of crises. Where they've said certain people are not allowed to come in and perform this this right but have they ever should've flatly cut off access to all Muslims from outside of Saudi Arabia. I'm not aware that they have. This would be unprecedented but again. This is an unprecedented tribes global health. Emergency right so as you look at the region right nasty even if you're going to give advice to the US government. What would that advice be? How do you see the situation unfolding? Where do you see opportunities or risks for the US government? Well I think the opportunity was there and it was lost and that was for the United States to partner with other major countries to set aside its differences with the Chinese to work with the South Koreans the Japanese wealthy countries in the Middle East into lead a truly global coalition to help me the challenge of this global pandemic. You know I was most recently in the Gulf in February and there is and this has been a consistent view for for some time but again there was this view that the United States is a spent force and this is a word that is often used it is incompetent our allies and friends and adversaries in the Middle East are shocked over and over again at the incompetence of the United States end. I've tried to explain to them. That the kind of political polarization that they observed the unites is one of the things that contribute to this incompetence and so I think that had we not been as polarized in we were able to set aside our differences with with other governments in lead we would be in a much better position in a region week we could provide humanitarian assistance to the Iranians. We chosen not to do that. Let hold you right on that question. Because the defenders the trump administration would argue that it is been the case at the United States is made offers to provide humanitarian assistance to Tehran Iran as refused to pursue those offers. What am I missing here at least in terms of official US policy? I think the United States because those those offers don't come with any kind of sanctions relief which is making the pain worse. And in fact it's been in the other direction it's been. Let's try to apply as much pressure as possible even at this moment at least that's my reading of US policy with regard to Iran. Yes Iran could have taken an offer but the offer at the same same time came not with any kind of relief. That would also be helpful to the Ryan's managing this John. I think that the risks of course are that riff this widely held view that the United States is a spent force any competent force that allies and adversaries take matters into their own hands and contribute to humanitarian problems in violence in places around the region and that at a moment when the United States could be leading in bringing at least temporarily trying to bring conflicts to an end to relieve the global health crisis. It hasn't moved to do that. And as a result countries are on their own they're not as well equipped and you add to a situation where there's increased prospect for instability in possibly pilots on that rather sombre note. I'll close up the president's in boxer this week. My guess it's been Stephen Cook. A senior fellow for Middle Eastern Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Stephen is the author of false dawn protests democracy in violence in the Middle East Stephen. Thank you for joining me. Thanks so much for having me Jim. Please subscribe to the presence inbox and Apple. Podcast defy wherever you listen levers review. They help us get noticed. Improve the show as always opinions expressed in the presence inbox showy those of the host or guests not a C- A far which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy. Today's episode was produced by Zoe. College for Senior Producer Jeremy Charlotte. Zoe also did double duty as a recording engineer. Thank you so special. Thanks go to Margaret. Catch for her assistance. This is Jim Lindsey. Thanks for listening.

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Soleimanis Killing, U.S.-China Phase One Trade Deal, and More

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Soleimanis Killing, U.S.-China Phase One Trade Deal, and More

"In the coming week. US tensions jolt the Mideast killing customs money. US and China finalize the so-called stays one trade agreement and Taiwan holds a pivotal presidential election. Is January ninth two thousand twenty in time for the world next week. I'm Bob McMahon and I'm Steven Cook sitting in for Jim Lyndsay Stephen is CFR's ars Eni. Enrico Mattei senior fellow for Middle East and African studies and director of the International Affairs Fellowship for tenured International Relations Scholars at Sea Afar. It's always a pleasure forecasting with Steven. Thanks thanks Bob. It's a great pleasure to be back with you. Well lots to go over and let's kick off with the topic on everyone's mind at this moment. We are a day after a very busy night of back and forth between Tehran and Washington over in Iranian ballistic missile strike on at least two. US military bases in Iraq. Now there was a just earlier today. We're taping this on Wednesday earlier today. President in trump seemed to walk back from Esscalation of the situation. But it's safe to say there's a great deal of of concern in anticipation about what comes next in the Middle East. Stephen can you tell us what we should be looking for. And and sort of how bad this has gotten yeah. It was a very very busy evening. Fifteen ballistic missiles fired Sud Airbase International Airport near Bill. The capital capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. Look there is no question. There was never any question that the Iranians were going to retaliate. I think they needed to retaliate. In this way in a spectacular fashion because of their politics and symbolically important timing being timing the attack against all my numbers of people in the streets after I saw him on his death in during his funeral and back more than seventy five people were killed in a stampede during his funeral in his hometown. So I think the Iranian regime really needed to demonstrate some type of spectacular attack in Iraq. I think there's some evidence that suggests that they purposefully tried to avoid actually hurting anybody in this. Although Iranian in state media has said that they have killed Americans the question is what's next and president trump clearly signaled that there wouldn't be an escalation from the American side which was something that people were worried. What about they were worried that perhaps the president would take a front by the fact that the Iranians would have the last word but clearly the United States looks like trump can portray himself? Let's put it that way as triumphant triumphant. Here he has killed Qasim Sumani among the worst people in the Middle East who is responsible not only for hundreds of American deaths in thousands of American casualties but hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq in Syria and its formal title was head of the goods forces had his arm of the Guard Corps and the Iranians shot fifteen ballistic missiles that it did no damage. So it's clear that the president can claim a victory. The real question is now. What are the Iranians done? It strikes me that there is a possibility. It's certainly only plausible that we go back to a sort of status quo where the Iranians are working through their proxies in order to try to undermine American interests and push America out of Iraq doc and other places around around the region. Well let's and that that's a good point. Maybe we can just start with Iraq because it just seemed like that is the arena in the forefront. Lots of mixed signals coming from the US about Iraq. First and foremost the Iraqis themselves seem to want the US forces out. But maybe not. Could you talk a little bit about that it is. It is quite a confusing situation. Ration- A lot of mixed signals are being. I should point out that there have been large protests in Iraq beginning in October against the government against actually demanding a new political system as part of these protests a big part of these protests re protests against Iranian influence in this political system. There wasn't a lot that anyone industry had to say about the United Right States. The killing of Customs Louis money has really flip the script and now allowed. Iran's allies in Iraq to frame the terms of the debate and demand and that the United States leave Iraq. It's really unclear. What the politics of this will be? There was a symbolic vote in the Iraqi parliament. They barely had a corum in which they they demanded a good point. I mean it's significant population of Sunnis and Kurds. Right stayed away from the state away from the vote but again you know. The presence of foreign enforces on Iraqi territory is offensive to many Iraqis. I was in Iraq in mid December and out in the plane I came across a pig sign that said Iraq for the rockies. And that's you know the way people feel about it when it comes to the United States. It's really hard for me to come up with a strong on case for why the United States actually should stay. We aren't pouring a lot of resources into the country. We have very little influence in the trajectory of politics there. We are fighting the Islamic state at the same time that the Iraqi government and party leaders are doing everything possible. That might make a resurgence of Isis. Possible a lot of people made the argument with the United States believes Iraq relieving to Iran Iran. Is the single most influential foreign actor in Iraq. Right now so this May in the Iraqis really do not want the United States in Iran onto to be their their battlefield again going back to the important question of what might happen next between the United States and around the Iranians work best in these grey zones where they working through proxies through cyber in different places in the region where they can claim plausible deniability. When everybody knows it's against and that's why I sold the money was said to be sort of the puppet master that right right exactly now from what I understand? That strategy predated souleymane but he really extended Iran's influence using that strategy and that's really part of the Mystique of Real question is whether cousins really money's death will force the Iranian government to rethink that approach because clearly for the trump administration. The plausible deniability doesn't work and they were willing to take the dramatic step of taking out customs limited. So I think that's the real question going forward is are the Iranians don. Should we take their word for it. And I'm not convinced that we should take their word for the episode also raises a whole host of questions about the future of America's role in the region. As as I said it's very hard to divine a strong case for the United States in Iraq at this point. It's almost as if we're there. Because of sunk costs we've been there for seventeen or eighteen years therefore we must be the and the president trump was all about moving. US Out of Syria not too long ago that that was the earlier drama. This A few months ago in the Middle East right that's right. That was the drama of October. We're into the president has stated I mean. This is going back to his campaign that he would like to reduce the US presence in the Middle East yet. The strike on call. Some money actually threatens the possibility of the opposite of drawing the United States further into the region after a is deployed thousands of more troops in anticipation of possible retaliation allegation on the part of the uranium to Iraq and its surrounding ears Iraq. I mean we have a rock where there's barely estate if one exists. We have a Zombie diplomatic presence there yet. We're deploying more force it. It's hard to understand precisely what the administration strategy is in the Middle East one other. The element does so many other ailments but another place to note. What do you read from Saudi Arabia on this sort of the big rival of Iran in the region? Like it's clear that there's not not a tear that's been shed for customs money in Riyadh but I think you know. The Saudis have learned that they remain unprepared for a a confrontation with Iranians either direct confrontation or even an indirect confrontation and after the the missile and drone attack on cake in chorus in Saudi Arabia. These two large oil processing. I think the syllabus the Saudis have looked deescalate. I am not convinced that they want to improve their relations with Iran. I think they want to live to fight another day. I don't mean fight like like a war but live to figure out how to deal with the Iranian problem more effectively than a half they were belligerent. Until there was belligerency and then suddenly they understood that there there were costs to their belligerency and importantly the cavalry that they had counted on. The United States was not come at the president chose instead of military action against Iran in September after these attacks on these oil processing facilities to apply sanctions on running leaders. There've been rumors of cyber attack some other smaller types of retribution attribution. But I think this was quite surprising to the Saudis given what. US policy has been since the early nineteen eighties which is a secure of the free flow of energy resources. Out of the region in an attack attack on it would be considered an attack on the United States so the Saudis are clearly regrouping seeking to de-escalate with the Iranians through third parties reports. Go because they you don't want to be an arena of retaliation. Look there's been Iranian violence on Saturday territory before the nine hundred ninety six bombings and Colbert Tower was pinned on the Iranians. So I think they have every reason to try not to be a target but that doesn't mean that the Saudis are looking for some sort of warming of relations with Iran Bob. Let's shift away from the Middle East and take a look what's happening in the US. China Trade Front President Trump's long promised phase one trade agreement has been drafted and is suspected to be signed in the White House in January. A part that deal which was initially announced about a week ago Washington suspended tariffs on over one hundred sixty billion dollars in Chinese imports. What's in the offing? Bob What is the deal. Is it a win for the president. While I think I'll I'll actually refrain from declaring wins or losses. Here Stephen but it is. It's clear that whatever this deal amounts to and there's still a lot of murkiness about some of the details especially from the Chinese side it has calmed the markets you saw surge and you saw basically this rally at the end of Twenty nineteen which the president likes to point to as on it long his achievements. You've seen general sort of relief and a sense that maybe there could be more pragmatism entering into this parley between the two most important portent trade powers and increasingly more powers in the world but the realists and the people who who specially watch the Chinese closely. You're saying there's there's not a lot there there's not a lot of their their Really early phase two which has been kicked down the road a bit will be a real crucial point. There has been as you mentioned the the tariffs putting off the next round of tariffs on. The Chinese have agreed on Psalm intellectual property protections in a few areas of patents trademarks copyrights and so forth. There looks to be a commitment on Chinese side to a purchases especially Agricultural products again that the levels are the big question soybeans American farmers have really suffered as a result of this. This is a constituency of the president's insult. Is he getting what he needs. Because his core constituency seems to remain have remained strong throughout but he has certainly peeled some people away especially especially in the agricultural heartland at some point out. You know the damage is already done. There's some farmers were not going back into businesses large number of farmers that this is just the death knell on top of bed climate conditions and other things that always make forming tough this was just the death knell for them and As the economists put it a little bit cynically in their most recent issue which is all about the U. S. China relationship. Mr Trump's tactical aim here is to help the economy in an election year. China is happy to buy time. You know so there. You go economists being cynical to shocking thing so it we'll be interesting to see almost as portly as as sort of the letter of the agreement. The phase one agreement is sort of that gives the sign language around it. Stephen and see what two sides indicate. There's been talk of trump going going to Beijing for the next round. Maybe he wants to have some sort of triumphal gesture. Maybe it'll be during the election before the election. We'll have to see you mentioned the realist. But it's interesting to me. I wonder under what is actually making the admission tick on this issue. It strikes me from a purely geopolitical perspective separate the US politics aspect of it and the damage to the agricultural sector of the economy. That in this kind of great power competition that is now upon us it seems to me perhaps tariffs chiefs. Trade war with China isn't necessarily a bad thing from a from that perspective. United States are the hydropower China's still rising would it be worth it to take some Points of GDP off of the Chinese economy. Well you the United States can still afford to do that and the question is whether you can afford to right. I mean I think one of the points that in a lot of the experts make whether either their economic experts or geopolitical experts or whatever is that there's a lot of support actually out there for the US out there meaning US allies and other countries. That have done business with China that would like to see China reigned in. It's got enormous influence now on the coming five g technology they. They aren't huge important. Lead position on that they have been through their industrial policy. They have been taking steps against competitors in their own country that have been basically violating the spirit if not the letter. WTO laws and they came into WTO's there were supposed to all I'll be about being quote unquote stakeholders. They've not and not to mention human rights concerns which fly in the face of a lot of of important values that countries again mainly allies the US hold on issues issues. Let's look no further than Saint John in the use of artificial intelligence there so there is support but it people have pointed to the fact that the US has far from two rallying allies in in this 'cause especially on European countries. They've started trading tips with Europeans. As well it's it's sort of been every direction in South East Asian demand things of allies in Southeast Asia. But they don't bring anything to compensate them by when they don't do deals with exactly so there were there were certainly seen be opportunities to bring China down a peg but it looks like that's going to be elusive. We'll have to you. See how this pans out. The coverage I mentioned in the Economist. They did make a point of saying look. Even if these two countries went full bore and trade war the degree to which their economies are intertwined with each other and with the world economy are such that it would take a decade for an unwinding to occur such as the state of the and the importance of these two economies. So it's sort of like the issues are so big or bigger than everybody involved but these are the two titans right so in some of the figures that you see out there like even after the war began. There's something like three hundred seventy thousand Chinese students at American universities in the US right now you know just to throw out another number there. There are more than I'm surprised to see more than forty one hundred starbucks cafes in China right now I mean so these are just a couple of little emblematic figures to throw out there. But it's it's it shows the extent of Of the relationship that things are still moving along even while they're there have been these. The nasty tariff spat that has consumed the couple years. People love their starbucks. But Bob. Let's stay Dan Asia. And let's talk about Taiwan which is scheduled to hold a pivotal presidential election income and Taiwanese president citing win. A member of the Democratic progressive. Party is heading to the polls with his substantial lead over main challenger Hongkou the Democratic Progressive Party takes a firm stance against Beijing is attempting to make up lost ground after suffering a massive defeating the two thousand eighteen local elections Bob. What's the landscape for the Taiwanese election and before you go? I just want to apologize to any Taiwanese friends out there for mispronouncing. These two do presidential candidate. That's a regular feature of the Pakistan. I do is apologizing for pronunciation but thanks for giving it can do Turkish. I can do well it is. It is very much about. It's important elections presidential and legislative. Because if the DP the Democratic Progressive Party that you mentioned sighing when does win on both counts and polls polls show a good chance. You're looking at a really major challenge to China and a year in which it's faced tremendous public pushback Hong Kong and Hong Kong through hovers over these election. Stephen it's it's since those demonstrations began earlier in twenty nineteen. You've seen sort of a proportionate rise and support for tying who's pulling very poorly about a year ago But now polling holing very strongly and her she's been consistently about more Taiwanese independence and really asserting it is even with the the fact that Taiwan's has been the separate places plays with separate diplomatic relations although waning and parts of the world there has been this pragmatic streak especially with the KMT that Goldman tongue that at the end of the day. Yes we acknowledged were province of China's we've got to sort some things out the under saying when it's a bit different it's more like well. We have distinct Taiwanese characteristics. Were distinctly different place and we're not going to get pushed around in a Xi Jinping. We should should note has ramped up the rhetoric against Taiwan. He's called for One Country Two Systems province and he's been trying to sort of raise the pressure on Taiwan to accept a Hong Kong. Type deal deal and the public is like. We don't like the way it's working out in Hong Kong right now that was my question is those protests that have gone on in Hong Kong since June and have grown violent over a period of time. And shockingly so has that helped her in her camp absolutely. Yeah very much so and and you know these are two places that unusual for Chinese speaking even Publix in the region are have access to open media and they can see what's going on they can see the reports they can see the crackdowns from China not to mention as I mentioned the the reports coming out of Kim Jong What's going on on there? So that hovers over this. This is a place that I should say. Taiwan that's been democratic now for almost a generation. It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle. Even though we've seen a year of retrenchment Frenchman and problems with democracies around the world still in all. It's a feisty democracy as Hong Kong. Frankly and it's going to be entering into a period. Now where if the elections go according to Huawei polling is showing. Here you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA have a real challenge and again this brings up the US China thing because prison trump while he wants a deal with China in this pivotal important election year. He's also been much more willing to speak directly with Taiwanese and trample on sacred cows involving this relationship which again the US. Officially views. Taiwan as part of China but under the Taiwan Relations Act it has pretty robust informal relations with one can imagine if you are a member and you're on the younger side of the Democratic Progressive Party. What is it that you remember about? Connection to mainland China it is seemingly over time a very different place and there have been economic ties. And that's another area. That's going to be very intriguing to watch because whether it's because of the trade distancing of us and China or other countries moved in the region. You might see a distancing after you had seen closing of Chinese Taiwan economically might see a distancing housing in that and that has interesting implications as well. It strikes me that that is geopolitical wedge for the United States with both Taiwan and China so if the administration plays it correctly directly it can be quite an adventure is just position in Taiwan. Let's see what happens after those elections. Well we've talked a lot about a lot of figures Stephen and so that's a logical segue into figures figures of the week and we've had our twitter poll which we like to do To see what's on the twitter public's mind especially the twitter public that Fallacy Afar and Resoundingly Downing lead the twitter poll figure of the week is four hundred. Eighty plus million as in four hundred eighty plus million animals dead. Stephen what is this number referring to. But I have to say Bob with all of the attention on Iran and Iraq and the possibility of conflict between Iran Iraq. The fires in Australia are from my perspective. scariest scariest things that had been in the news and it wasn't just this past week. It's been now quite some time. Dad Bushfires have been burning all over Australia. I think the amount of a territory that has been burned in Australia is now two times the size of Maryland that is a huge huge amount of territory and in this fire that some have described as pock elliptic. There are many many many many many many animals who have died scientists. Say it's hard to put an exact figure on Senate people are talking about millions. Perhaps a billion regardless of what the actual number is these fires have devastated the wildlife and this is a country known renowned for its exotic wildlife photos of flawless. And and so forth where you wouldn't find this wildlife anywhere else things like you know the world famous Koala bear the kangaroo but there's also the Brown bandicoot or the long footed Peru the Longford Putra its entire habitat has been destroyed by fires in the State of New South Wales alone. Twenty five percent of the Kuala Bear's habitat have been destroyed and we were discussing this before. What is it that Kuala bears live? On the most exclusively ably believes of eucalyptus trees and in this kind of heat. Eucalyptus trees blow up so it's been devastating devastating for the wildlife in Australia. Alya only twenty four people have died. There's been fourteen hundred homes destroyed. That makes it sound less than it is but the pictures and the actual territory fifteen million acres have burned in Australian. The question I think going forward is is this. The shape of things to come is this. What climate change has wrought night any into something like this in any way serve as a tipping point four a government that has been averse to say controlling emissions? The Australian government led by Scott Morrison. He is a climate change sceptic he reversed policies policies of previous governments and climate change skepticism or climate. Denial remains a potent political force. We should know Australia. Major coal source major major source of coal. The question is will and I think it's a good question and there's no indication yet that it really has reshaped politics in Australia. There's there's just before we recorded I was reading about how those climate skeptics are. Now blaming environmentalists or the fires in Australia saying that environmental policies have prevented the clearing brush and healthy growth forest. That have contributed to this cataclysmic. Blades I think the consensus obviously the among climate scientists is that if perhaps the fire wasn't caused by climate change has been intensified by climate change. And it's very very scary not just for Australians. But if you look at the American American West now California has a very healthy snowpack this year but we just came out of this prolonged fire season in California that was very very scary there included power blackouts and more deaths. And is this something that the United States given the vast differences between Australia United States keeping my but are we going to see more intense droughts more intensive fires higher temperatures. That are going to remake the landscape. There's so many manifestations whether it's you and you also you talk about storms devastating devastating incredibly high wind storms rising sea levels and on and on so it's it. We're beginning the year with a lot of sobering an and this is. This is an an observation ovation. Not a political statement. It's very hard to understand climate skepticism. The much of it rests on this idea that you can't predict the weather and of course you can't predict the weather. Meteorologists urologists don't have a lot of data in order to predict whether more than a few days out and sometimes even get the next day's weather incorrect but climatologists have thousands of years of data and can clearly see the trend lines that the planet is warming and that coincides that warming coincides with how much co two humans have put into the atmosphere. Anyway that is really as I said. It's A. It's probably the scariest story in the news. But Bob who are. What is your figure of the week? Stephen I'm going to start start with a Fairly mellow number two Do Ju just to want to is an important number four Venezuela and let's just note as retain this podcast. There are so many things going on in the world right now. It sort of makes your head spin. But let's not overlook what's occurring in Venezuela now with a another leadership challenge occurring and I say to because at least as up to to taping this podcast look like at the moment. Venezuela has two leaders that would be one Guido and Nicholas Maduro but also to men who claim to be head of National Assembly. Guido again and Lewis who the government Sort of maneuvered into that position. But we've had a challenge. We had the recognize or the internationally recognised opposition position. Legislature concert forced its way physically into the building that houses The National Assembly and they set up shop and they and they sort of started business this week leaving a questions thousands of what next what's going to happen. What will they be able to come back? On repeated days will there be a crackdown will security forces fire on lawmakers. That is what has been through a lot. But they're about to who perhaps you know one of their biggest challenges now in terms of sorting out domestically how they're going to get through this impasse as the country continues to be an economic freefall. It's really extrordinary that Nicolas Maduro has held on as long as he has He was dismissed. Early as this kind of a flunky for Google Shabas but in fact his has maneuvered his way fairly Lee skillful. That's really I mean. He's proved himself to be a shrewd political operator. He's gotten some help from around the world from Vladimir Putin from Reggio type of Turkey from a variety Heidi of others but the political and economic crisis in Venezuela such that one would have expected that he would have fallen face intense pressure from the US which is really ramped up. It's it's it's sort of its scrutiny. It's it's activities in the region to try to bring groups and has gotten a number regional countries aren't on board in terms of supporting Guido but it raises questions about Guido's skill as a politician now. Of course there are powerful forces arrayed against him but in the past year there were the incredible destitution of the Venezuelan people. This is the largest movement of refugees in the Western Hemisphere four and a half million. Perhaps at this point this is huge and if not for ten other huge international stories and domestic stories we would be focusing on the situation in Venezuela since it is in in the hemisphere but it seems just incredible. That Madurai doer has been able to hold onto that. Quite able to capitalize with the support of the United States with support of his neighbors with the sport of Europeans with support of the Canadians and Maduro is is entrenched in Venezuela. It's tragic my understanding. Is that the economic situation. There's been some economic relief in Venezuela he's allowed for the dollarisation Shen of the economy to some extent that has given people an opportunity some purchasing power to get the things that they need but they still have a you know a crumbling oil infrastructure and oil is is the most single most important asset there for a country that has the world's largest reported oil resources. And so it's but it's it's worth pointing out though because we've been talking about about this for a couple of years now. How can this country sustain this? And they're they're sort of muddling along. I think analysts have to kind of rethink what we believe to be the types of developments that could lead to the collapse of a country. It seems though that president trump doesn't seem very interested in this issue. WHO's interested in it for a short period of time it looked like like Guido was going to make some progress in perhaps Madero would fall? It didn't happen and the presence interest in this has waned what other than keeping up the sanctions. What is it? The United States is doing to help its ally one guy to this point. I think you know there there was I. Think it's waxed and waned as you've indicated I do think there's been discussions. We've countries like Colombia. What are ways that they can help support opposition and so forth not just rhetorically but materiel beyond that? I don't know of what the US is willing to do you. You know it's I think it's wary of getting further involved in anything involving conflict at this point given the things. We've already discussed this podcast. So I think it's a bit status quo for awhile with more sanctions as always being added to so we can say with confidence that Nicolas Madura will be the leader of Venezuela next week and likely the week afterwards because I would say communist next week I won't go beyond okay. Sounds good but we figure to pick which is yours. Who or what is your favorite week? Let me go back to the well. And my figure of the week is General Khalifa. Dr Who is the leader of the Libyan national army which is an army it is Libyan at its core. It's not necessarily surly national. He is Qaddafi military officer. Who at one time was reportedly to have been a CIA asset? He burst onto the scene on Valentine's Day. In twenty two thousand fourteen when he appeared on Libyan television and demanded the end of What was essentially a coalition government and the establishment of a presidential council extensively with general final? Half Dr at the head of this presidential council anyway so long story but he's been waging a six year campaign for in his bid for power a violent campaign that violence has waxed and waned it is now in full swing again. He launched an offensive against the internationally recognized government in in the Libyan capital Tripoli Way Way back in April and he quickly got bogged down but now have stars forces are making fairly significant progress in their fight against the government in interpreters international international aspect. There is yes important aspect the Egyptians the Murrah tease the French. A number of others have long supported. heff tar he is anti anti Islamist he. Is You know a strong man he's he he. I positioned himself as someone like up the task. Cc Egypt's Egypt's president who came to power through a coup in twenty thirteen and despite the support of those countries. He didn't make a lot of progress. Recently the Russians have been pouring mercenaries into the country that has had to at least two. UN Security Council permanent members directly involved in this conflict while they're also weighing in on what the UN see. When he's he's posits right in in Tripoli there is the UN recognize government yet? The French and the Russians are also supporting Dr and I must say the United States has publicly said that it supports internationally recognized government. But I think it's clear that the isis is sort of playing both sides trying to see who's going to prevail in the Turks are involved as well now right right with the introduction of Russian mercenaries that has helped have turned the battlefield. The government in Tripoli is back on its heels and the prime minister went to the Turks and president aired. WanNa Turkey has offered his support to the government in Tripoli they signed a number of agreements and now Turkish forces are are on their way to Tripoli now the Turks say that Turkish troops themselves will be setting up a command center and a coordination center and they will not themselves be engaged in combat. But we'll we'll be engaged in combat or those forces that the Turks used in their offensive in Syria in October. What we used to call the free Syrian army that the the Turks are calling the Siri national army will be thrown in the battle against Forces in hectares allies they've been promised Turkish citizenship and presumably fair some to undertake take this battle so have recently taken the strategic city of Sirte which is kind of Inbetween Benghazi and Tripoli in that you along the Gulf of Sitra and the concern earn for supporters of the government in Tripoli is that they will have to pour forces towards Sirte which will weaken defenses and other places and that what Tripoli controls trolls is an ever smaller amount of territory and that have stars on the march. The hope is that these Turkish backed forces will turn the tide. Libya is something that no one is paying attention to and we may wake up one day and maybe a new phase of a civil war or there may be a guy named Holly Fa Dr in Tripoli Declare Harry himself the leader of Tripoli which will likely not end the conflict but enter a new phase. It starts to phase of the conflict so I have to the Perennial see if our question is regard which is so what. Why does it matter matters in a number of levels first of all there is this proxy war that is being played out in North Africa and Libya is very important? Borton producer of oil has the largest reserves of light sweet crude in the world the fourth largest reserves of gas in Africa the Russians are becoming increasingly influential with half tar. I in fact I've prevails. He will owe them. And it provides the Russians with a foothold in North African. If you look at a map that's very close to Europe and this is part of Ladimir Latimer Putin's strategy to show discord in the West and weaken the Western alliance and Besides that Libya's had problems with extremism awesome refugees. All of the problems that have had an impact on European politics. Are there in Libya of course Libyan the problem a big promise. What was that Libyans are going to suffer but if you look at it from the Geo Strategic Perspective the United States Europe being a core interest prosperity and security and stability of Europe being a core interest interest in the United States Libya and in fact all of North Africa is an area of concern with regard to that interest? Well that's our look at the world next week. Here's some other stories to keep an eye on on the consumer electronics. Show in Las Vegas wraps up next week. That is someplace I would love to go. I'm not you know I'm tech enough. 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Hour 1: Durant Down

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Hour 1: Durant Down

"Out. That's his third travel of the night. Normally, I get on this case for being a complete school. But tonight, I'm chilling. Stephen what's gotten into you. I know usually I'd be off on a ramp right now. But I gotta tell you this vivid seats thing has got me completely changed one hundred percent authentic. And I got these great seats yesterday on a good seats at stress-free. Wait. What are you doing? You. Put mayo on my hotdog. What's the matter with you? There's the old Stephen we know. What's going on? Everybody will into I take tried to. Right. It is Friday firming Bali how we doing? Good to see you Stephen A. How are we? What's going on? Good morning, y'all. Hey, y'all mardi fired up on get up today. So I know he's ready to go. Good morning. Steve Naismith what's going on? How you doing boss? Good good. Let's get after it said the good news warriors win game five and can eliminate Houston. Tomorrow night, the bad news. They may have lost their best player. I still can't believe it. Steve Kerr said Kevin Durant. We'll get an MRI today. Steven A with Katie injured this series over. Well, I'm not going to say it's over. But what I will tell you is that there is no excuse for the Houston Rockets not to win the series. I tell you that much right now. I mean, if you listen max Kellerman has been one of the ringleaders with this argument, if CPI three had not gone down, the Houston Rockets would have won the west last year and probably the championship. That's what they were saying last year again. Against a healthy K D, a healthy, Steph curry, hey, healthy, Klay Thompson. Well, guess what? Now, CPA three is healthy. And so is James hot. And so was PJ Tucker. And so is Erik Gordon and the crew and K D goes down y'all one games three and four with a healthy Katie on the floor average in thirty five games. You want gained three and four K D doing what he's doing wreaking havoc throughout the postseason. And you went down twenty plots last night before you came back and took the lead before K D went down. And somehow, someway now you've got an little. Oh, hell, no. No, no. No. No, no. This is what it's all about right here. When it comes to James harden and C P three. And that's not just ain't taught in this hip, don't give a damn he's older. Let us schism in this patient and a skill set. But the mind is to hear that sound for you at one hundred six million dollars deal. You can still. Play. You're a brilliant brilliant basketball player. It's Tom this is it and this this is your opportunity. This is the greatest opportunity the Houston Rockets have had at a championship and the James harden era, and the bottom line is there's no excuse if there ever was a point when this noise students for them. Trump. It's right now you handle your business to game six because God help you and your reputation if you lose game six without candy. And then you come back to the oracle for game seven, and even though to odds are stacked against you out willing to bet Houston beat a favorite because you got James on in and see pre three handle your business. I'm not going to say it's over because we saw what Steph curry Klay Thompson can't do and are willing to do because they both stepped up when Kevin Durant went down. But there is no excuse for Houston. This is your is definite taking what you do. Well, there's plenty excuse for Houston now, which is that they're down three games to two and Golden State has home court. That's the excuse. Look, let me show you what I mean. Let's say that they're now advantaged against Golden State because Golden State no longer has. Kevin durant? We all know Kevin Durant advantage. Even though they're point differential and win loss record doesn't change much. When. Durant's out as long as Steph is on the floor. However, we know in the playoffs. It's different Golden State had a hard time getting over the hump before K D got there. That is true. But let me show you what I mean, let's say without K D. Now, you think Houston should be a real solid favorite like better than two to one. So the seventy percent chance to win game six at Houston. And let's say you believe if they do that they should be better than the two two one favourite to win at Oakland to win at oracle. That's a seventy percent chance. Let's say better than two to one. You know, what that means what seventy times set what's seven times as forty nine. They're still under fifty percent to win both games. They're more likely than not to lose the series simply because they staked a great team, even without K D. They're a great team. I mean, even though they lost to LeBron and Kyrie when they were fully loaded. Okay. They didn't have a good dollar. That's true. The year before they went six games when LeBron didn't have Cairo your. Kevin love. So they've always seemed a little vulnerable for a team that's been as great as they have been in the regular season. Nevertheless, there are formidable team. They're powerhouse team at the very least even without K D. And when you stake that team to a one game lead, and they have home court. You're simply the underdogs still Stephen to series is not over one way or another the rockets now have a better chance than they did they should have won that game last night. But they have a better chance than they did. But in fact, Golden State, simply they're up three two home court. There's still the favorites. Well, let's first of all I'm willing to concede that we say the word over technically, theoretically. Of course, it's not because there's a game seven at oracle. But would you stop with the damn numbers for once? You got them are balls at yours. Come on, man. Use it come on match goes Beetlejuice. Is it your stuffing? Not what the numbers match. You know what Tom? It is bro. Come on. Let's here's the deal. Here's the deal. Max guys were in the arena last night argument. Right. Well, you know what? Hey, we want without K D in the past. Before he got stopped at Andrew bogut was young Harrison Barnes was there were dollar dollar was younger Livingston was younger. We all know they ate the same now. So it's not just about what you have. But it's about what you lost and Kevin Durant. And what you don't have in terms of your debt. They're not to say I want to. That's what Steve Kerr gate went out of his way to praise the tea because he no they dug deep to get that done yesterday. Come on max, you can look at Harding in St. Pete three and not see Joe this is short. But it taken this stupid. Not to get this done. Look C P three should be hungry and that should make the difference. But just let let's start with the warriors. Are they different? Yes. Let's not pretend to exact same squad. Igwe Dala still with the fate of the universe on the line on that team. Gimme Igwe dollar to hit a big shot any other time though, but under pressure give me a good dollar. But the point is even without K D is Steph still an MVP caliber player. Yes. You have an MVP caliber player on your team five star is Klay Thompson and all star caliber player. Yes. You got a five star in a four star. What about dream on green? Yes. That's an all star. You got you got an MVP and to all stars and dream on green was one play away from being finals MVP, by the way against the Cavs. When they lost in game seven had had the Cavs not want it mom was about to be MVP. And you. Dollar a former finals MVP who can still play. No, they're not what they were. You're right. Yes. They are vulnerable. But dammit, you got an MVP to all stars in a former finals MVP on your team still use that that is a power house. You vulnerable. You will Vaughn bull wig K D on the court man, you will vulnerable. I can understand we set up there, and we had Golden State as the prohibitive favorite and they sit run away with this series. But it was tied to two. They went down twenty it came back and took a lead with K D on arguing opposite saying Joe if that's who you are. Let me say let me say this for public consumption because let me tell you that right now. Let me tell let me tell my audience right now. Let me take my brother. Let me take my brother max Kellerman. And let me thank my sister. Molly Kerem because I wasn't in the morning meeting. I don't even know what the hell. We don't discuss on this show. I need another question because was. Because let me tell you something the reason I'm saying that is because I mean, do I need to get in the CPT three now or do you say, thank you. Laughing. I know there's a lot of overlapping topics here. Go ahead. By the way. Let me let me let it. That's not my producers that was me because I was sleeping because all of y'all looked out for me because I get it back and get back to two to three in the morning, but go ahead. All right. We got you where a team. All right. So stay guys, obviously up three to max mentioned it have home court. But if K D is out max, who's winning this title, the Milwaukee Bucks? I said before the seat before the season that Toronto was gonna come out of the east during the season. I said, okay. Look, it's going to be the bucks. Then brogden got hurt. Marriage got hurt after the trade. Then brogden got hurt. And I am ended it if brogden comes back thinking about the Celtics brogden comes back. They could win the title. I'm here to tell you the bucks had a good shot to beat the warriors. If the warriors had K D, if the warriors don't have K D, I'm telling you, the bucks are getting out of the east. Stephen it. I'm telling you, they're going to get out of the west to if you know what I mean, I want to show you something this is from a couple of years ago a couple years ago on this show. The Greek freak is the best player in the Eastern Conference. Who's not on the Cavs? Right. Let me tell you something guys if they teac- take keep this team together with a little luck. A little ball bouncing their way with a few personnel moves within two or three years. They could have a dynasty in the NBA. This team is huge it's athletic. It's young they play for each other. Okay. Have been the start of the dynasty, even with a healthy K D. Well, well, first of all, I agree with you about Milwaukee. Because I do think the champion I think that Milwaukee wins the championship. I don't think Toronto would beat Houston. They would beat Portland. I think they would beat Denver. I think they would be the they obviously wouldn't beat the warriors of. But I don't think they would beat the rockets either I think Milwaukee would beat Houston. So I would agree with you there. But let's not act like, you know, stra dominance de max Kellerman because the reality of the situation is who you you could say what you want if they didn't have booting holder. They might not be in this a few personnel. Move on today with her way, including them just say the coach. But you didn't you didn't ever knows Donald. So that a shot said, I say Nacho Dahmer's, nostril dot would be knows your. That would be new master down this year. Even care. I was trying to give you props right with many twelve coming up and only a few days I've had to make this my final gift reminder last one mother's day is coming up everybody. Don't wait till the last minute. Make sure you show your mom how much you appreciate her. If you're wondering how then Tikki edible dot com and arrangements can make anything from chocolate dipped. 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I felt like I was something Everest's look next time just go to vivid seats, tickets are one hundred percent authentic, and you can even see where your seat is before you buy it can't believe I'm going to say, this your genius. Well, you're welcome. I kind of am we're on the ten minutes. Maybe we should get that Kleenex out of your nose. Hey, everyone sportscenter right now on either Collins, the Celtics postseason run is over after being eliminated in five games by the bucks. Boston had high expectations, especially after reaching the conference finals the past two years and finally having kyri Irving and Gordon Hayward healthy for the playoffs, but both stars failed to shine against Milwaukee. In the past four games Hayward only average six points shooting twenty five percent from the field while his team may miss fifty eight shots during those four games. That is the most missed field goal. Attempts in foregin span in Irving's playoff career kyri says the better team won. Great team basketball, who's playing better at you know, a certain time of the year and the connectivity and the able to respond. You know, they they showed all year while they were who they were. I'll be the first to say that this is you know, as far as any other year that I've been a head coach. It's certainly been the most trying I think I've done. I did I did a bad job like at the end of the day like as a coach if your team doesn't find its best fit together. That's on you. Take a look at this. The Celtics actually played better without Kyrie Irving, the seasons, they wouldn't twelve and three without Irving as opposed to thirty seven thirty with him without kyri. The Celtics had a better point differential Morse's per game. And we're just better across the board. Now, let's get you back to I take. All right. Tony. Thank you for all that good info. Do the same thing last year. Yeah. So you guys heard Brad Stevens take the blame after the bucks quick writing the Celtics. Now, remember as max just mentioned the same team made it further last year without kyri and Gordon Hayward on the bench. We welcome ryen russillo to the show. Good too happy. Right. W and obviously Ryan spent about eight years in Boston. So you know, this team all too. Well, stephen. Who's to blame for the Celtics mess? Well for me. It's Brad Stevens. And Danny age. I'm not absolving Kyrie Irving by any stretch of imagination. He was absolutely awful in this series, certainly far below the quality of play that I thought he would deliver. And he's definitely culpable with some of the things that have transpired. But he's not my main coporate here. And max, we all know this, Iran. You might not know you might have heard me say before, but maximum Malia herb and say this on on a number of occasions where it started matters. And the fact that Brad Stevens, and Danny aines put Gordon Hayward in that starting line of at the beginning of the season started a snowball effect that never subsided as far as concert. He clearly was not ready to play. Gordon hayward? Healthy is the damn good player. That's worthy of starting particularly for team coached by Brad. Stephen in the Boston, Celtics. There is no doubt about it. It strictly about injury. Nice guy, classy guy. Can really really play when healthy. But he clearly was not ready. He was devoid of Spain. He was devoid of athleticism. He just wasn't ready and to be fresh off a birth to game seven in the Eastern Conference finals and to ask this and to ask a twenty year old and Jason Tatum and an twenty two yield in Jalen Brown who started together and play together and excelled together in the postseason to open up the season asking them to modify the approach to modify their game to some degree. So you can get your man up in there in Gordon. Hayward was just agreed GIS because he wasn't worth he wasn't worthy. Because he wasn't ready. It would be one thing if it's one of your favorites. And I brought up this analogy yesterday. Ryan just so you know, I brought this up. I said, hey, Steven Jackson was in San Antonio. He thought he was better than monitor nobly monitor Ginobili other people would disagree Popovich that was a favourite of his okay. But who's going to argue with that because we all know mono can play. And he wasn't hurt. But in the case of this with Gordon Hayward, he was clearly nine hundred percent. He clearly had lost something in an effort to try and get him back. You inserted him into the starting lineup into the equation you call for young dudes that had other interests other agendas to make sacrifices they weren't prepared to make. And as a result. You found yourself in a situation where you struggle. And when you struggle, you got a guy like carbon Irvine, what's his inclination gonna be to shoot the damn basketball to engage in too much eyeso- play and things of that nature and everything snowballed from you got started you got causing affect mixed up. That's kyri. It doesn't matter. What the situation is. Kyrie's looking to shoot the rock high usage player over dribbles. Maybe the most skillful player of all time. But that doesn't make you the greatest player even in the game or the best at your position or even a positive attribute for your team. Steven to blame this on Brad Stevens inserting Gordon Hayward into the starting lineup because the code coach felt like. He needed his passing in the starting lineup. Look it didn't help. And that was the big question heading into the season. How you're going to integrate these two big pieces, but like don't don't cry for Brad Stevens. What did you have too much talent to deal with stop it, it ain't Gordon Hayward? Stephen ridiculous. It's tied re Irving the whole world knows this, and it's obvious and the numbers back it up. He's the guy with a bone his hands. He wanted his own team. He wanted to be the leader, you could see him beefing with the younger players in the press, by the way, this team is so talented. They eventually reached like detente and swept the Pacers and beat the books came one at Milwaukee. There were five in these playoffs and everyone's talking about maybe the Celtics can win a championship. But this team didn't like flame with each other. And the issue was not Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens. That may be an issue, though, issue is Cairo Irving. You see this that they just showed you on sportscenter. The team actually was better. They scored more. They gave up fewer. Our with him off the court then with him on the court. And by the way, it was the same thing toward the end of last year where they made the conference finals without him. This ain't the Gordon Hayward story says the kyri Irving story. Well, the first thing I think both of you guys keep bringing up that. I would disagree with us. We gotta stop comparing last year's result with this year result the Eastern Conference finals and then playing a game seven his afloat the east was terrible last year. So we can't compare this year's east and to last year because Toronto's better, the walkies better. Hell Philadelphia's even better. So this team coming up short. You can't just hold it to last year standard I've been I've been watching the last couple of days the list on one second. I just want to talk to the control room really quickly because it's distracting, I know for the analysts we have the show opened in our ear. So we're hearing echoing back ASO after everyone speaks their hearing themselves again. And I just don't want it to be Ryan. You're pro finish your thought. I just if we could get that rectified before we move forward as far as the Hayward thing they brought him back. Okay. They were giving them in starting spot. They bench Marcus smart for him. So it wasn't the end of the world than I have Marcus smart in the starting lineup. Even though eventually that's what they did. They benched Hayward they stopped closing games with Hayward. So if there was a mistake. Take all allow that. It was a mistake. But it should have been in season altering mistake the way it's been presented here. So alternately to me it always gets back to kyri. He's the guy that wanted this. He's the guy that wanted the divorce from LeBron. And I actually took Kyrie's side. Once we got more information on what happened in Cleveland a couple of summers ago. But once he got what he wanted. He didn't know how to deal with it. If it was so obvious with every statement that he made he was distancing himself from the younger players saying we have to understand this. We have to be better in this spot. And guess what all of those younger players got tired of it. You wanna tell me bad? Brad Stevens had a bad year. He said it himself Algo their age. I just don't see it. Everyone loved the roster. There wasn't a trade to be made. And they were going to make a trade with their assets and take away what ammunition they'd have for Anthony Davis possibly this summer. I just wanted to before you go on. I just want to say when I brought up age as it pertained. I was talking about ages it pertain to Gordon Hayward, not the meals say, I was I was just saying that there's no way that Brad Stevens. Just does that without influence from age because age is the one that signed up to that contract and agent knows how to put a roster together. And I'm speaking to his influence, but it was only about Gordon Hayward. Not in terms of the roster that was accumulated or the moves that were made. Right. Well, that makes way more that makes way more sense to me because I think we all sat here looked at are going look at the starting five look at this look at all these assets. But it just was really tough for me to figure out what Kyrie's goal was throughout the entire season every game pressure. I mean, I stopped trying to figure them out probably back in February. And to look at the way, he he just he didn't give up against Milwaukee. It was it was as if he was just saying, you know, what I'm going to take a million shots here. This isn't Brad Stevens system. It's going to be the kyri system. And this is the way I'm going to go out. So I. Have a hard time blaming anybody other than the star player who's controlling what's happening with the basketball during the obviously, Kyrie Irving, Stephen like this. I can't believe you really wanted to beat the other side. Like, I get it. It's a contributing factor early on. But to actually argue that with a roster like this, and a celebrated coach the whole thing that that something snowballed has Ryan brought up from bringing a wing player in because you have three exceptional wings and one of them got too much playing time that that snowball to the point. And then kyri winds up taking too many shots and resulted that that's that is giving him a pet. Why we wanted the responsibility of his own team? He got it. He had max thirteen blew it. You can't sit up the say that you don't believe me. But, but then don't give me an opportunity to respond off the get what I've said Ryan might have that excuse me because he's just ham opposition you've heard, my you've hurt my rationale months ago. I went very very into. I went very very deep into it. In terms of how it affect I didn't absolve carbon urban because he didn't play well bottom line. And you know, some of the things that he said we. That on this show. And there's no absolving. He's supposed to be the leader of that team. Yes. And he will. And he was it. Oh, he Horley. Well, wait a minute. Max, I'm telling you in terms of how other people were affected by that move from age and Stevens it goes deeper than that. And one of these days, these players are going to come out publicly and confess that to you and tell you that they're going to look you in the face, and they're gonna look us in the face, and they're going to admit Wayne why off the court they play back at a time. Ryan's got other responsibilities things. He's got to do. But yeah, I don't know if Kyrie ever tried to fit in. That's that's my big question that I'd love for Stephen to answer at a later time. Ryan thank you for being here with us. Combining home and auto with state farm gets you a whole lot covered for less. But the state farm radio ad gets. You this jam covered. First grade. The. Premiums to combining policies and. For more coverage. Visit Stefan dot com. Sports right now Collins spy losing Kevin Durant for the entire fourth quarter due to a right calf strain, Golden State one critical game five against Houston. And now hold the three to lead in the series rockets point guard. Chris Paul was Celtic just eleven points on three or four teams shooting from the field. It's the six consecutive playoff game. Paul was held under twenty points after trailing by nearly twenty points. James harden that his best rally the team in the third quarter. The beers scored twelve points, the rockets outscore the warriors twenty nine to fifteen type of game entering the fourth. But during the games final seven, minutes heart and only scored three points on just one shot attempt as the wars were able to pull away from Houston. The rockets star was asked about it after the loss. I mean, I don't know. I can go back and look at the game. But whether it's other guys who can shots open looks. China make the right right plays the game. I'm not sure how festively defensively especially myself. Turnovers in weeding stops when we needed to so tough loss. Now, let's get you back. The first take. All right, everybody. We all know the statistics harden his average less points in the plants in the regular season for five straight years at one shot in the final ten minutes of the game five loss. However, Chris Paul hasn't exactly been lighting it up as his running mate max who's more to blame for this loss. Are you putting it on Chris Paul or harden whose team is? James is that question? Really James harden. What was that that you just ended led to me with the five seasons? Don't no the ten minutes of the game one shot one shot in the last ten minutes of the game that you came all the way back in. Let's not forget the comeback predated. Kevin durant? Getting at going out of the game. They were maybe one or two possessions behind at that point. They came all the way back when it looked like they were being buried and hardened deserves credit for the good stuff that happens because he's the engine that makes that team go and now katie's out of the game and other guys step up their inspired to step up. Right. Steph is starting to hit quote shots instead of missing a lot of shots and throwing the ball away on necessarily unforced turnovers which was happening during the rockets comeback. But now that other teams inspired now, where's your level of inspiration to match them to rise of on the road? When James harden had the ball in his hands late in the game game one triples out of bounds. Then comes down the court. Shoot the three and he's not even really concentrating on hitting the threes. Concentrating on the ref bailing amount with a coal jumps under Draymond green legs. Down three that ties the game. They lose game one on the road. They needed that game. They lose game two on the road. They needed that game. They win at home. Now, they have a chance they need to win on the road. They don't have home court, Stephen they have a chance to do it. Chris Paul is playing poorly. I'll leave that to you. It's James Harden's team. James this could be your world. I mean, the last ten minutes of a game on the road against an inspired Golden State team without `qeady when it's neck and neck and your engine your number one player highness usage rate ever takes more shots than anyone ever. Takes one shot. Oh, I got to look at the stats sheet. Maybe other guys had open shots come on. James? There is a tie Cleese sees time in a place. Right. These forever season. Well, let me tell you. What season it is in the fourth quarter on the road against the warriors without the season for you to ball. I mean, this is on James harden. Max Kellerman, I'm older than you as we all know. I look a little bit older than you. I don't mind. I still think I look good. The bottom line. Is this max Kellerman it's moments like this. Thank you so much. It's moments like this. I say this affectionately to my brother. My brother. I got to teach you a little bit about basketball here. The fact that matter is again, we don't absolve James hearted. But there's more to this than that. They will blitz in them. Doubling them getting the ball out of his hands. Max Kellerman, who's the highest paid player on over Houston Rockets? Chris Paul thirty five point six million dollars. Where are you? You got to be kidding me. This man sat one for seven in the second half. He didn't score basket after Kevin Durant went out. He was put three in the fourth quarter. And by the way max, I'm not talking points. You're the point three vigil on the court. You're the extension of the coach on that affect when it comes to their Tony you ought to damn coach Macron love because as great as their Tonia offensively. The brilliant mind. It was Chris Paul and basilic that will convincing by dantonio take chances and make a ductless offensively and defensively. Dating back to last year. Chris Paul is a brilliant basketball player. So when Kevin Durant goes out who I looking to to be the floor general to Aucas strata to figure out a way to get around. Steve Kerr Lipton, James harden. So you could get them the ball put him. It was a success. Let's Chris Ball. That's Chris Paul you thirty five point six million dollars. He just signed a four year one hundred sixty million dollar deal. You've got to show up. We ain't looking for Chris Paul drop twenty something like that. But guess what? A couple of baskets in max would have been nice the decision making deficit Tate things, but James would have been nice, and let me tell you something else. Things one of the people that I get a lot of Tex maximally. Jamie Foxx, Jamie Foxx, Jamie Foxx, even S my brother, and I love there is nobody that I know outside a LeBron James Cam Rich, Paul mainly. There is no one that. I know that complains more about the criticism. Lebron James gets Jamie Foxx, if that had been LeBron James, Stephen A, you letting this cough, you letting that golf if that have been LeBron James, and, you know, something my bay Jamie, FOX is right. If this would look Bron Jane's we beat all over him. Why can't it be a Chris Paul? I understand Chris Paul is not LeBron. But I'm talking about as a floor. General your decision making not just absence of making points. Shots your decision making. Cost. I'm not here to listen. I'm not here to defend Chris, Paul. The warriors did a good enough job of that last night. And you're absolutely right. To point out the decision making is not just the poor execution poor decision making hesitant and incorrect consistently and no one can do it by themselves, including James harden, or anyone you need a crime partner. That's what Chris Paul is there to do he failed. How ever the question is who is most to blame? This ain't Chris Paul's team. And let's be honest. This point Chris Paul's Greer, he's not an MVP caliber player if he ever was like he was almost he was like a five star player a four point nine star player at his best. He's not there anymore. He's an all star caliber player, but he's not like that. Elite. Elite James harden is James Harden's the MVP or damn near close to it every single year in the regular season, even eight. Ask you this. Go ahead. Go ahead. If it was MJ. I know you're comparing yes, I am hardens putting up regular season numbers. Like that. If it was nj you think he would take one shot in the last titan min max max, I understand that point. I do. But what I'm saying to you watch the king go back and watch it again and watch how watch how Steve Kerr blitz James harden. And Seth Greenberg pointed it out on get up early this morning. He was blitzing James harden to get the ball out of his hands your CPT. What do we talk about? We talk about hesitancy. We talk about his inability to make a shot. We talked about him not necessarily making the right decision. I'm saying that you mex- Kelham if I'm paying you thirty five point six million dollars. I just signed you one hundred sixty million dollars. We know is no one who knows basketball who would call Chris, Paul anything less than brilliant. The man is a GO. I'm saying you you gotta help James harden back you ought to blame hard. And you bought them blame C P three either of them. It was their chance without K to swing the series. Didn't do it. 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Episode 51 - Everything's Eventual Part 3

The Stephen King Boo! Club

48:11 min | 1 year ago

Episode 51 - Everything's Eventual Part 3

"Content warning violence Gore and Mild sexual content He had eyes and his fingers. It's the Stephen King Boo Club. It's a mid-show notice. This first choice is the name of my new Death Cab for Cutie. How's the stories like this get my blood going? Cuz I'm like, yeah the military industrial complex destroying everyone off. I'm Steven Anderson now and I'm Phoenix Crockett and this week. We are reading the final two stories from everything's eventual called everything's eventual and two little sisters of alloria will be starting with the little sisters of alloria and finishing out with everything's eventual Stephen. Would you like me to take the main points go for it my dude off. Roland deschain of Gilead has just begun his search for the Dark Tower following Walter Odin after leaving. Mahaney's he rides upon an old mule and he plans to get a new horse. She comes upon a ghost town called Gloria where he sees a stray dog with a cross and it's mange eating a corpse Roland inspects the corpse and box from its person a medallion before being attacked by slow-moving Newton two people and waking up in a hospital tend to run by strange dream like nuns. It turns out that the nuns are vampires who eventually kill everyone that they heal they call themselves the little sisters and used small insects much like maggots to heal the wounds and unconsciousness. Roland defines The Medallion protects him from the little sisters. He is not alone at the hospital doubt. His roommate also has Medallion his roommate also turns out to be the brother off of the corpse said Roland found at the beginning of the story. Roland is physically healed by the sisters drug his food to keep him weak. There is one sister. However, who seems to be fundamentally good her name is Jenna and it is implied that she was awful and terribly conscripted into the little sisters Jenna and Roland are strangely attracted to each other Jenna starts to sneak Roland an antidote to the sedative eventually the system a script a mutant to take the protective Medallion off of Roland and his roommate the mutant. However headaches particularly Medallion off of Roland's roommate and cuts his roommates throat the blood sends the sisters in a shark like frenzied the mutant escapes and Roland maintains his Medallion, he and Jenna planned their escape as it turns out Jenna is of noble Heritage and she took a loan commands the doctor bugs. She uses them to create a diversion for the Sisters while she and Roland flee the leader great sister Mary catches up to them, but his attacked wage. Told by the across dog from the beginning of the story Roland and Jenna declare their love for each other but Genesis integrates into a pile of bugs because that is her true form often takes a moment to mourn as the doctor bugs seeing in the high grass and then rides on. Now it's time for full dark. No structure. What a great introduction to the tone of the Dark Tower series. Yeah, don't you just hate it when your girlfriend turns into bugs though. I usually just take like 5 Seconds to mourn and then just like run off into the sunset when that happens such. It's such a third date prob. You know, you think it's going well and you really make a connection and you like okay, maybe this is like an actual emotional bond and then once you know it she's bugs like I've dated some girls they've been bugs. So thanks Jerry Seinfeld with so this book is a prequel to The Dark Tower the Gunslinger but lots of witch's selves are prequel. I think I don't know if any of them can't be called a prequel. So don't worry about it. I love The Good the Bad and the Ugly meets like God who even Hobbit Hobbit in the situation and I have to tell you I dead. Rod doing a pet cemetery segment, but what a good boy. Yo pour one out for mysterious cross dog. God bless everyone pick yourself up a Vampire Dog good to have around so let's okay. Let's talk about what we're doing here. We we've divvied everything's eventual up into a strange little batch of stories. If you've been following along you'll be like, why do they do that? We did this because these two stories we've selected Little Sisters of Valeria and everything's eventual lead into the Dark Tower Saga that we are about to embark on. So this one very clear connection to the Dark Tower Universe. We will talk about what the short story everything's eventual has to do with it. That's what we're doing here. This is kind of our our send off into the world of the Dark Tower Universe. If you are new to hardcore Stephen King fan, The Dark Tower universe is Stephen King's massive fantasy epic series. It's what connects all of the Stephen King Universe all of the little things that cross-hatched Stephen King's work. It all goes back to the Dark Tower. So that's what we're focusing on this episode. Yeah. I don't know if anything else to say. Oh Why is it that every story about Roland the dude gets his rocks off. It's just like every store. I've already started Dark Tower and let me tell you rolling off dude Fox. I mean, I don't know how to tell you this but like he's a cowboy have you not watched a western, you know, you're a hundred percent, right? And there's nothing else to say about it. You want to go to our adaptation section? Which one do I shoot? We are going to have a one-sentence. Which one do I shoot section? Here it is. The story the short film. Okay, it's a Dollar Baby. The short film has been sold to a couple in Spain. Now it's on hold the short story. And if you go to the website, there's all these big Rants and like blog posts about like production and drama that's been going on. You can if you have Google Chrome, you can just translate it to English. It is quite a lot of fun. I recommend it. Yeah still trying to get the bugs together in a hard, you know, you gotta get a lot of bugs. If you're trying to do this as a civil or using handfuls of maggots to try to build an actress. It's kinda imagine film is more like ants for some reason. I don't know I thought they were like more more like, you know, more like that kind of that kind of insect. You know, it really didn't change. So these bugs sing can we talk about hold on? I know this is our adaptation segment poultry talk about Hobbies these bugs just like saying that's a great spooky detail. That's the kind of should I I come to Stephen King imagine that were ruined full of singing bugs. I think we should take it real quick to our sweet Screams best of our section. You're rocketing read along here. That's good. I wanted to give you all idea of the tone of this story. I'm going to be doing that a lot during this episode being like it's hard to describe for you. What exactly is going on? Let me just these are two tone pieces. Hello sure, definitely two-tone pieces. So right kind of at the end of this story poem, you know, his girlfriend has gone. She turn into bugs. We've been over it. Yeah, she been bugged. So this is how the whole thing kind of ends. I guess. This is like the ending ish if there's to be damnation. She had said to him let it be of my choosing not there's he knew a little about damnation himself and he had an idea that the lessons far from being done were just beginning. When the sun was fully up the Gunslinger moved on West he would find another horse eventually or a mule. But for now, he was content to walk all that day. He was haunted by the ringing singing sound in his ears sound like Bells several times. He stopped and looked around sure. He would see a dark following shape flowing over the ground chasing after his the shadows of our best and worst memories chase after but no shape was over there. He was alone in the low hill country west of eluria quite alone. It's Louis L'Amour. Yeah, we're going to have to learn how to do Western accents now. Like I've only just started to figure out the ins-and-outs of the Maine accent, but I'm not ready. I have to ask you even have you seen a western know I have got to show you. I don't know if you're not. I'm sure we'll get some b-sides in the future that are some Sketti westerns for sure. Let's do it. Let's plan a Good the Bad and the Ugly Beast side, I think wage that that brings us to everything's eventual and Dinky Earnshaw. I would like to take the main points for this one. If you please would love it if you would dinky Earnshaw is 19 a classic Teenage Dirtbag underachiever. He explains to the reader that he has a nice house a car off. Food anything he wants really including unreleased CDs in fresh clothes. All of it is conditional on some sort of mysterious job. He cannot ask them at all comes from and he cannot look to see who brings it. He must spend his weekly allowance or else dispose of the coins and bills by various means he explains that before the job. He was a nobody working at the supermarket as it turns out he has latent Supernatural Powers, which he used to kill a dog who bullied him and leader A co-worker grass. He can harness Arcane symbology to drive others mad suicide one day a mysterious stranger in a nice car shows up and recruits him. The man named Mister Sharpton knows dinky's history his powers his wants and his needs and it was Mister Sharpton who offered a job. So John the job requires dinky two views and Supernatural powers to affect people psychically. He sends letters or emails to Target contracted to him by a private group, which caused them to kill themselves. He is allowed to know nothing about his targets, but he is told that they are the bad people in the world dictatorships seem like but when he sees the name of one of his victims in the paper, he starts to piece together the fact that he's been killing the political dissidents not Warlords. He realizes he has just enough about mr. Sharpen to email him a special letter of his own before assumedly escaping into the night. Now it's time for full dark. No structure. Yep, that's a weird one. I okay. Let me organize my thoughts. You can tell I'm trying to get Off to the Races here. So this piece believe it or not be connected to the same Dark Tower Universe the same Western Dark Fantasy universe that we were just talking about and I did not know that until I mentioned faith in Phoenix is like, oh no, that is a hardcore Dark Tower thing. So we'll be talking about that soon. I promise also I found this story to be actually one of the scarier stories in the collection. There's something really carry like about this whole latent Powers aspect and about all the themes of manipulation and getting out of control. Yeah, so it's hard because I think it's well written but it is not quotable. It's not quotable. It is compelling true. Compelling the philosophy of the same could be discussed by college sophomores four years. Would you accept a job that made you comfortable if you thought criminals would die real people and people in the military mostly about our everyday are faced with this. Yeah. It's a it's a real deal thing. And the other thing that's interesting about this piece. Is that dinky himself. First of all bad damn dinky himself. God is kind of Stephen King's answered a Holden Caulfield in a lot of ways. It's very kind of stunted. He speaks in these clipped sentences long. I don't know their significance to the fact that he's 19. Stephen King has lots of nineteen-year-old characters who are bummed and a whole essay called nineteen. He has this real connection with this age. Hm. That's a good point. Also lots of weird stuff. I well not only connected to the nineteen essay, but I'm connected to money and how money is treated in, Georgia. PS this whole piece started because King had a dream of a man dumping coins into a storm drain and he wanted to write the story of that man. And I agree with him. It's a weird compelling image this idea of someone just like rapidly trying to dispose of money. It's it's an unnerving piece. It's one of my favorite stories in the collection. It reminds me of some of the Skeleton Crew pieces that blew my mind like like the jaunt and stuff that were so unparalleled. Like there's nothing like this piece out there, right? Well really, it's a Sci-Fi piece it really when you get down to weirdly. It's funny that you draw that John connection cuz it really is just a speculative fiction piece about you know, this conglomerate so much goes unsaid in this story and that's where all of the like the Dead. Tension and the drama is is that you know, something real bad's happening, but you just will never know exactly what a quick note. This collection has had a lot of like game-changing technology stuff. We talked last time about the piece that like broke the e-book game. This piece. Everything's eventual was included on a CD-ROM run that was called Stephen King's f13. It contained silly and it was so much. It's so much worse than you think it contained a PDF of everything's eventual and three mini-games that played like disneychannel.com mini-games called Bug Splat. Whack a zombie and no swimming off. Can you imagine working on a steep? Like the first Stephen King PC title, right? You get the Stephen King name? Your project and you're like, I don't know. What if we did whack a zombie that Stephen King write soccer zombie clearly the people that made that just knew that Stephen King wrote down his stuff. That's it. I would like it if we could go to which one was you? All right. Now neither of these have an adaptation that's viable to talk about. However, I would like to play the cast of this show game on everything's eventual. I think you would make a super cool movie. Yeah, I agree really small tight cast kind of spooky. Yeah, hour and 25 minutes on Netflix. Give him all the money. They need two for production value. I think it would be great. I want I have a first and second choice for dinky. Okay First Choice William Jackson Harper second, Joy Will Poulter Faust even doesn't know who these people I I'd super do not because keeping track of actors named is something only I like to do. Think of the friend group in mid-summer. Okay, William Jackson Harper is the black erudite dude, and we'll pool tourism should eat this on a tree guy. Yeah, they would be good. I mean, they're both just very good actors from Mister Sharpton. I watch Shaquille O'Neal. Why I don't know. What's what's on my head. First thing. I thought of the first thing I thought of was The Intergalactic social worker from Lilo & Stitch wage, then I thought I'm sure killer got it. So you you reverse engineered that casting Choice? Yep. I just want to I got two things to say. First of all first choice for dinky is the name of my new Death Cab for Cutie cover band. Yes, I don't have a caching choice for dinky. I think you want a relative unknown for dinky. Although Bill Skarsgard would crush it as a greasy loaner Bill Skarsgard is everything to me. Yeah, put them in more things. I really do believe that the big casting Choice here is Mister Sharpton. The only face that you get for this vague organization need someone with like terminal dad Vibes, but also like a heaping side portion of corporate Americana someone who says like I accept you as my child, but only really conditionally off these reasons. I think J K Simmons could cry. Oh, yeah partly cuz he can do anything. I also think Idris Elba would do great but they'd have to digitally make him like 30% less attractive. You know, he's he's really sexy. Yeah, like I don't think that you want people being like attracted to mister Sharpton, but you want them to have that kind of enigmatic. I would follow this person into the war off. Saying I wouldn't have sex with J K Simmons. It's very different. Okay. So with that I would like to know explain to you Stephen in the web how this is a Dark Tower piece off. Great. This is the web. This is where we talk about the connections between all of the stories in the East Stephen King vs. Phoenix. What does this story have to do with my cowboy story. This is one of those gave me this Batman. This is one of those weird things that happens in literature. Sometimes where some Canon is ignored and some Canon is happening, you know, like a Capital C. Yeah, some people jump on you if your if your cannons not the same as their Cannon Stephen King and Peter Straub, who knows why Peter Straub get to say Peter shop was not involved in this song have both gone up and like made a super what looked like a conceited attempt like a press release at em, not to say that dinky is a breaker in the Dark Tower Universe. Okay, and that he right after the events of this story. Is basically plucked out of Oblivion by the Crimson King as a break, right? So for people who maybe have no idea what any of those words mean because that is Gobbledy gook. The Crimson King. Okay. How far how do we Okay. The Crimson King is evil evil man live with the top of the the power of infinity. He's trying to break the spokes of reality using psychic humans from our reality to free him from his thoughts his his prison and those people are called Breakers and that is what dinky is Breakers people responsible. Yes. That's that's correct. Breakers are also responsible under the direction of the Crimson King Kong to help with the psychic explosion that will destroy the Dark Tower and the Multiverse, right? That's what I was going to say next because it was coherent and made perfect sense what children with The Shining become Breakers in the afterworld. Okay. And is that only if they are taken in by the Crimson King and forced to do it what happens do they just like live in the afterworld? Otherwise in our okay potentially if they're not Breakers. I'm just trying to get this straightened out. Yes, and no for the characters that you can name in the Stephen King verse. Yes for oh, yeah others know cuz they're going to only be so many breakers for some arbitrary reasons that will get into in about thirty seven episodes from now. Hey name is any of this was incoherent. Next episode will be actually explain what the hell is going on with all of this deep floor until then. Let's keep this puppy moving and take it to the mid show. Let me submit show. What is this song Oh what I didn't know he could do that for the record. We have a sergel media find us on Facebook page book club to Twitter now anyways Instagram, which I've never seen but I know his good I hear it's fire. Yeah, it's fun. We had so much out of sat in their Instagram story the other day. I was like, hey, this page is nice how we did what I know. Do we have up on Instagram? Yeah turns out we've got a few my God. So we have a bank account. If you want merge this mystery was gone wildly off the radio. If you want to give us money go to patreon. I'm sick of since birth. Weird way, sometimes we like money because then we could make a better show. If you want to be part of that give us money some of you already do and you guys were those of you who don't see also Rock but you know special shout-outs to those of you who do cuz it helps us make the show good. Yeah. That's that Stephen King book club on patreon Phoenix. He brought some some nice kind of interval things for us here Phoenix is pursuing a graduate degree right now in education and he is going to be calling content from eleven year olds wage. I love working with kids. I love my eleven year olds. They're really awesome. And I'm going to be yeah kind of just picking up things. I say in bringing it to you today. I asked them today really truly to create one sentence Stories the most famous one sentence story I explained to them is ur name. Anyways, six-word story baby shoes for sale never worn, right? So I wanted it them to try to think about how do I create a plot moved out of a few words most of them didn't make sense because we're still practicing right but three of them were awesome and I'd like to present thoke you some soft piano music. I got up on the wrong side of the moon and fell softly. I picked up her cold body to lay off. She wished for presents he wished for death. They got em. Oh my gosh. Ooh baby. That's that content. My favorite song is I got up on the wrong side of the moon and fell softly because they recognized that gravity would be different and that the misdirection works better if you include that but that's high-level thinking, you know, yeah kids are crushing it. They are coming for our jobs and they can have them you can have I can do this shit. Oh, yeah cool. Do we have anything else in this little module mid-show thing this I would venture to say, maybe our weirdest mid-show one of them. Yeah. I think that we should take it off. Over to Needville themes our literary analysis section. So I'm unbelievably excited for this needful theme section for a variety of reasons Phoenix. You're going to be talking about the weird western song. Sub-genre and I will be talking about anti-capitalist literature. So how do we even begin to decide how it should be is goes first, I'll go first. I want I like to end on the waiting note. Mine is flippant. It's a it's a fun Tech dropped connection between genres. Cool Phoenix Wednesday Quick Draw. Let me get out my timer for those of you who are joining us for the first time. We set a 4 minute timer on these bad boys, because otherwise we'll just ramble forever home. So if Phoenix cannot complete this in four minutes, you will just get cut off Phoenix. Are you ready to go? I sure am I would also like to note if you're joining us for the first time on everything's eventual part 3 I question your life start me whenever you're ready. 321 go so I had no idea about this until I Googled The Dark Tower the American wild west but off is actually bought a hugely popular genre and one that has been subversive controversial and Progressive in the world of art. This is not dark West or gothic West which are related but weird West in fact Wikipedia article is called weird West. It's also unbelievably strange doing a. It's pretty funny. Essentially what we're talking about is what happens when we mix westerns with faith see Sci-Fi or a cult horror immediately the modern media consumer will think of maybe Firefly or that one Twilight Zone episode or if you listen to our Regulators episode Motocross cops to 2,200 goes back farther than that though some of the Prime examples start with the weird Tales now weird Tales is like, uh magazine In Pulp that a lot of people used to read that was the birth of fantasy and sci-fi essentially a weird Tales spin-off started called weird Western Tales. So it was specifically meant for Fantasy sci-fi westerns at a time. When Louis L'Amour was putting out a book a month and selling, you know, was the best-selling author in America, you know and all West Palm. So after that that kind of inspired a writer named Joe Lansdale to write really gory versions of these fantasy sci-fi so long now Cowboys on a spaceship and it's really gory or Cowboys and there's monsters and it's really gory you can think of splatterpunk as the world for like the gore porn that used to go on and some of these and he enjoyed like some success with chapbooks which are not chapter books, but they're the you know wage Breeds that you can kind of get through pretty quickly. And at that point there's General has solidified the Gory Ness would continue through Cormac McCarthy's work the road things like that high literature something about ponies. I forget what that was called as well as in our Dark Tower series, but the literature would become its own thing while the TV podcasts movies would become kind of their own little sisters would be Lura is definitely a weird question. It starts as a western man in his Steed has a middle part of a western plot line about being trapped or war or needing revenge and ends like a western. My woman is gone. So I carry on but with fucking vampire nuns these characters were straight out of that weird Tales. I'm sure there's vampire New Jersey men's in weird Tales somewhere and with a sexy energy reminiscent of another weird Western Richard brautigan hawkline monster. I had to get an original one minute reference literally sisters is listed among the inspiration. Was for Red Dead Redemption. So and in the new one, there's like the little sister of eluria are like in it. So that's the thing if we're starting to draw big broad lines between genres weird West and steampunk are inextricably linked which leads to the legendary podcast. Let's be legendary the feywild West weird Western Dungeons and Dragons campaign with lgbtq characters long, you can see how this gets drawn out but also a band called gouldtown that's doing weird West if I have to make a major point. It's the weird Western isn't on most people's thoughts until you peel off the sticker a little bit and then there's a whole awesome world to explore with lots of dedicated fans. I cannot believe that I a finished on time and be got the the whole thing without mentioning the band The Cow men. You still have five seconds. What's easier in that little PostScript? I'm amazed hell. Yeah, the listeners we have scripts that we read off of so that we can you know, I'm not sure that we're coherent and such and Phoenix went wildly Off Script for like a lot of that and I was trying to read long and I could not so odd Phoenix got weird with it in his weird Western thing which just seems appropriate. Thank you Phoenix another weird Western that we've talked about on the program before you can make the argument that Alice isn't dead by Joseph Fink and I think Jeffrey cranor also worked on that. It's by the woman. I fell people that fits into the weird western church kind of Trope umbrella. I would be amazed if they didn't have some Western things on their mind while writing it so there's a lot of cool stuff out there for sure. I've consumed almost none of it becomes Westerns are genre that I just really have never gotten into which is about to change apparently cuz I got like six books of this stuff to get through Thursday. Yeah. Yeah anything else to throw at me Phoenix? No, I'm just excited to hear about Mark's. Yeah, let's do this shit. All right. Let me know when you're ready. I'm ready 321 welcome comrades. It is time to talk of Anthrax capitalist literature that specifically I will be talking about horror in everything's eventual which explains specifically capitalist angst and flaws the short story. Everything's eventual has some components which for me are very compelling metaphors for living within a capitalist Society for one thing. There's dinky's Reliance off. On and subservience to and ambiguous and hugely powerful conglomerate to survive the organization which dinky works for is Welcome to Night Vale a vague yet menacing government or perhaps corporate agency. They have a corporate statement of purpose claiming to be about something bettering the world brain down dictators. There are departments and bureaucratic elements within the organization to keep its actions obscure in a late capitalist system wherein conglomerates regularly fused create larger and larger corporations. This is a fairly concrete fear mapped onto a supernatural structure. For example, I worked for Teavana for a time and Teavana was bought out by Starbucks and Starbucks is a wide-ranging business with stores world-wide find products across a massive diversity of Industries, including kitchen Wares and appliances food products to be sold in stores coffee beans and grounds naturally and even branded apparel. How could I know if the company I worked for was behaving ethically across all those domains was my labor supporting a business which was contributing to Rainforest collapse say or sweat shops or massive Plastics waste there is in was simply no way to parse all that information out and therefore my personal responsibility as a laborer / consumer really hard to fight and actually in everything's eventual. We see dinky into work situations one is a dead-end supermarket job which provides no sense of meaning and barely enough money to survive off his new job as a supernatural Hitman basically the more damage he's willing to do the more his comfort and security are assured. Now this mirror is a specific source of capital wage angst the idea that when money becomes the sole incentive within a system those who are willing to forsake their morals are able to make the most money doing unscrupulous things. That's a fair complexion. In an unregulated Market one only needs to look at the ways that unregulated Food and Drug manufacturing occurred to see that corner-cutting and Shady practices can be very profitable is a more Insidious aspect of dinky situation. However, which I think is more compelling than just like, I don't know blood money is a thing that exists you see dinky isn't just relying on his job for money and comfort he gets bored of those things very quickly more to the point. His talent is dubious psychic superpower is fulfilling to him. So the job represents the one factor in his life which provides an Avenue for fulfillment now at someone who has tried to make a living in the Arts I can tell you that this pressure is real even as dinky knows that what he's doing is troubling he'll be able to stop himself from doing it. This is because access to his fulfillment is being moderated by his employer if the only way you can feel fulfilled is by working for an organization. Which is functioning a morally if not outright immorally, you're stuck. Theoretically dinky could have turned the job down continued to work at the grocery store. But the new job represented Advanced find a way out of the mundane soul-crushing sameness of dinky's life so far from the get-go, the organization had power over dinky, not only because they control the supply of money and wage benefits, but because they control the supply of self-actualization and that is what's truly Insidious about the monetization of all aspects of a capitalist society and that is working most often live then timing we have gotten so good at episode 50 now of doing like getting the four minutes, right? Yeah. The four minutes is like I can just push them out now y'all think we're heading to make that work. We're not we're not we're not we don't that was wonderful job. Red. Yeah, thank you comrade. I think what's funny is that like I am not strictly anti-capitalist. Like I do believe in Market systems. I just also believe in regular life or whatever and this one like this one hits home in terms of being like a a real cough guy asked nightmare situation about power and power dynamics were very much fall into the line of like your modern Dutch socialist. You know what I mean? So I I'm very God I'm so I'm so mad that I've already given you the nickname sweet Bible boy because Phoenix Crockett my modern touch socialist is also so good. Yeah for sure off because I abstractly anti-capitalist it a lot of ways. So stories like this get my blood going cuz I'm like, yeah, so goddamn military industrial complex destroying everyone. Yep. I think we can't get to the recommended reading section. So mine is well. Okay, let's be real this piece is pretty singular. Both of these pieces are pretty singular hard to relate anything to it. So I just like to tell you about a cool movie. I saw recently that you should also see a bitch cracks me up. When you do this. Go for it. Go ahead. This movie is called the devil all the time. It's on Netflix. You've definitely heard of it. If you listen to the show, it's Robert Pattinson off and Seventeen other amazing actors. Harry melons in it. They put on a Southern Gothic that will rock your socks off is so compelling it is so succinct. I read the book the book was fine the movie though. You want to see a bunch of British people put on Southern Accents your place. So thank you Mom. Oh, come on. I just read yours. There's no way you can if you're going to go and all right. I want to recommend the Pink Floyd album. Wish you were here because the short story and Everything eventual has a huge Wish You Were Here by Vybz aspiring to Greatness. Despite a broken and terrifying system. Absolutely existential angst. You got it welcome. Absolutely. I rest my case. It's a great album fucking when I was your honor your honor the defense rests when I was a senior in high school. I learned every line of the Rhythm and lead guitar parts to this album because I was bored and lonely if we ever do a live show Mom cover welcome to the machine. Please hundred percent. Let's take it to battle of the books. So this is where we talked about which book was in a superior this book or the one we just read now because this is a short story collection. We will also be talking about which short story in everything's eventual Takes the Cake so okay last book I read before the game was black house. Neither one of us liked black house bury me in like, like I said, we did like everything's eventual. Yeah, and I think In fairness to Blackhouse it hit at a really bad time for the things that didn't work in that book. I'm sure if we'd read it like five years ago. It wouldn't have left so much of a sour taste in our mouths, but either way everything's eventual has so many really fascinating in-depth stories and black house. I think missed its potential for me like if it had been a story about the blackouts This nightmare room thing I would have been into it, but it wasn't about that sound. Yeah, I think so. Really first of all ring the bell everything's eventual wins. Woo. The real compelling question is what was your favorite story? This is hard to get this is a really hit-or-miss collection for me. But the ones that hit hit hard right back, like here's a list of Stories We read in the first of all everything's eventual was in this collection 1408 was in this collection that feeling you only know what it is in French. So in this collection everything you love will be taken away was in this collection and we're going to do a whole b side on 1408, but the the we've already done. Hey Phoenix, we've already done it. Oh wait, I listen to it on Thursday we have today. Okay. So the thing about Only Just Begun 1408 and how much we love it. Is that the It's a combination of the story in the adaptation that make a full product for us, right? I agree for Gina wages disqualified because the movies a banger and the story is just great. But which the other two I think you and I are going down. Have something to say about I think I need to give it to everything you love will be taken away because very few stories. Especially very few King stories. Leave me feeling like on we you know, like Melancholy not a lot of that for me interesting. I I have to give it to that one. I think for me. I love that story. I really do suck interestingly. I was surprised you didn't include everything's eventual. I really liked everything. I did. Actually I did I put it in there. Oh, yeah, you put it in there. You're right, but for me it was that feeling you only know what it is in French that feeling you can only say what it is and so so disturbing so scary and so go ahead girl has some of that on we They had a little bit of that at the end for me. It had some of that some of that no exit like oh man, you know, yeah. I'm so I'm going to give it to that feeling but I think I can both agree that between that feeling and everything you love and that doesn't even mention two other awesome story the story about the salesman like, you know, yeah for sure for sure. So the winner is not feeling you only know what it is and everything you love will be taken away ring the bell we've done it. Let's take it to cudjoe believe it our fun fact corner. All right. I'm going to start with the Dark Tower one. Stephen King has confirmed The Dark Tower series was inspired by an urge to mix Tolkien with the spaghetti western which by God it did he did it. He done did the dang thing. You can read it. You can read a lot of it and that is exactly what he did my fun fact and this one we're gonna have to talk about is that the movie character and the movie Star Wars held joint auditions, which meant at one point we got close to having John Travolta Han Solo because of that. Yep. So I I always grew and the first Star Wars movie that just the studio was holding auditions for a lot of movies on that day and in that big Auditorium sized room carry auditions and Star Wars auditions were going on at the same time. If you remember John Travolta plays Billy & Carry, and he also auditioned off Role of Han Solo and got pretty far in the audition process. He got a call back and there were other crossovers to that weren't there was no like Sissy Spacek is Princess Leia or anything but there were other small roles that could have crossed over or went one way or the other only because of contracts. Oh, wow, really? Yeah, huh. Well, I'm sad that we were robbed a Harrison Ford Carrie performance. But Thursday was expected to be the Blockbuster of the year and Star Wars was expected to do fine o and they they swapped because Star Wars was the movie event of the century and Kerry was a good just one of the best horror movies of all time. Awesome. Well, I think that brings us to the end. Yeah next week we will be talking about the Dark Tower lore will go through all of the books. We've read so far and talk about whether or not they connect to the Dark Tower and why I will do some sort of lightning round for that. So it's not like a three hour long episode for now. We would like to thank Michaela Fishman for doing our graphic design Monica Chinn for handling off posters. We would like to thank Michael blouin and Tony magistrali our crack academic mentors. We would like to shout out the students off King foundation for continued philanthropy and causes we care about we gotta talk about our man Bryant the mysterious archivist himself who keeps us up-to-date on weird interesting Stephen King finds and our entire patreon community. I would like to thank you Phoenix Crockett my sweet Bible boy and actual Dutch socialist or whatever modern Dutch socialist. I thought it was and I would like to thank you Mike early Catholic cutie Steven in Tucson. Oh And of course, you do listener forgetting through this madness. We are officially through everything's eventual join us for the beginnings of our Dark Tower series and the beginnings of October. Keep it spooky all peace out sucker.

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Hour 2: Lakers Worried about Nets Big 3?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

35:06 min | 8 months ago

Hour 2: Lakers Worried about Nets Big 3?

"The max kellerman. Show the podcast lake. Got anything to worry about with the next big smart looking out there right now with thinking. I know everyone by digging on the next on the nets defense foot. They may make the. I figured they will make sure the defense defensive rebounding and kyrie is going to be running that second unit as well as running the floor with k. d. and harden and joe harris and the nets are going to be a problem for everyone if kyrie in them can figure it out. Eight eight eight seven nine three seven seven six eight eighty eight say. Espn the max. Kellerman show is presented by progressive. Insurance guests join me on the goodyear hotline so kyrie returns. He dropped thirty seven but took twenty eight shots in double overtime loss to the lowly cleveland cavaliers by the way took all those shots whatever whatever it had he not basically capped colin sex in the jaw on the way to the basket. He'd beaten them. Maybe they win. The game in regulation was an offensive foul anyway. There was no defense to be seen at one point late. In over regulation in early in the first overtime sexton was making a lot of bad decisions and missing shots and it was like damn. He's just he's gotta calm down but when you look closely what was going on. They were doubling them and like. How is that possible on every play. They were just leaving jetty. Osmond early in the game was really good and this happened on two or three consecutive. Please and finally it's not like the nets are playing good defensive. Just leaving a decent offensive player by himself. Bickerstaff's saw that a couple times cavs. Coach is like okay. Let's go to osmond scored promptly that ended. They couldn't leave osmond anymore and all the sudden with only one guy with a hand in his face sexton couldn't miss and cleveland won the game. We know a lot of people would say. Look i game with k. D. and harden after sitting out seven games kyrenia double-overtime plead forty eight minutes. Fifteen of twenty eight field goal attempts pretty good percentage actually but taking twenty shots with katie and harden on the floor who'd been gelling very well hardened rolled out of bed as i told you looking like a hot mess showed up fat with an old man. Ymca game and was great with k. D. they were great together. Suddenly kyrie shows up. What's going to happen right. Jacked up field goal attempts in a loss to to the cavs durant finished with thirty eight and twelve with eight assists harden at twenty one ten and twelve. Triple double with twenty points. It's double overtime. You have more time to compile those numbers but still but let me tell you something. I'm not worried about. Let me rephrase. I am worried about how is going to play with them. I'm not saying it means like this. Means he can play with him. But what i am saying this. I'm not too concerned with game. One like a lot of people would want to see. Kyra be overly deferential. That's not him. The more important thing is that kyrie is true to himself now with in that he can't be selfish stupid or greedy. He's got to play team ball. But i'd rather see cairo. Get out there. Yup that's kyrie irving then then see him get out there like be too much in his own head better just to be himself and then work with that and try to whittle that down into something workable then have him kind of in a court inbetween not knowing how to play by the way harden only took two shots in the first half and he did not score for everyone who's like for everyone like hardens is not a winning play these selfish heart and hasn't been a winning enough player because he chokes. Let's be very clear about this choker not anymore so much like it's getting better and better but through a lot career bigger. The moment the worst he played how ever i never thought harden was selfish player in the sense that he was doing it to pad his stats. Harden has always been the kind of guy who will do what he thinks. The team needs him to do to win. He has always come through when they needed a most. Because he's just miss shots but he always had the kind of game where it's like. What does my team need from me. They need him to defer he'll defer if they need to fill it up he'll fill it up and he's also gotten better and better in the clutch overtime by the way the big three and they're the only big three in the game. Tell me another big three not. Hey these are two best players and this guys are third best player even though he's not good no no hardens won an mvp durant's won an mvp kyrie's championship goes to the all star game every year. That's a big three. it's the only one. They scored ninety six points again. Double ot three guys ninety six points first time together. Who do you think had the worst. Plus minus of the big three. Do you think it was kevin. Durant the perfect player. Do you think it was. James harden the mvp or do you think it was that knucklehead kyrie irving who shot twenty eight times look for real. Kyrie can really be a part of a championship team here. As he was with lebron james he has a chance to do it. Just remember kyrie shoots better than james harden from the free throw line from the field from from mid range from three point land. He's a better shooter than heart. Now hardens remarkable. Thing is no matter how much. He's used his percentages. Don't change they're always excellent usually guy. Great percentage player if you use more and more. His effectiveness goes down as you know. But hardens doesn't you know that said any given three point shot kyrie's more likely to hit it hard and same thing with free throws better shooter better handles not as good a player but in terms of breaking down certain component parts like skills wise and talented breeze. No joke if he's running your second unit and again running. The second year doesn't mean you don't play with the stars doesn't mean you don't start. It means thirty five minutes a game. There's overlap forty eight minutes in a regulation game if you've got multiple guys playing thirty five minutes if you're six man's playing thirty five minutes he's also playing with your starters he has to. There's no way around that. And i think kyri if you can if you can really commit himself to being part of a championship formula is going to make that starting unit unstoppable and can also lift the second unit that otherwise would be thinned out by injuries and trade dr falcon in la. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio from dr falcon break match. Love your work I think the nfl's hiring practices relative to minorities atrocious. It always has been atrocious. And i get the fact that you got to crawl before you walk. And by the way it's thousands. I give them a lot of applause or hiring first. Black general manager in franchise history Mr fonteneau but as far as the enemy. This is almost third year in a row. That he's gonna be shocked at one head. Coaching job left and that being houston that he's been chapter. You know the great offense coordinator on the andy. Reid you know used to saying dr falcon. Here's the one thing what'd did you get your ph d. dr falcon. That's the first thing i need to know. Fandom man gotcha falcon okay. This is what i'll say. Bnb deserves a head. Coaching a shot at a head. Coaching job and people on the internet on the internet is how old i am. People on social media are making fun of those who are saying. Maybe he doesn't interview well as though that's an excuse to like create racial barriers or to excuse unfair hiring practices not. I'm not trying to. But i do wonder how interviews i do wonder by the way it's not like solid is not african american but lebanese-american first generation first muslim head coach. He got a job and you could see just from his introductory press conference. He would interview very well as a head coach and others like for example. I always tomlin at his introductory press conference. You can imagine how that dude interview. Maybe i'm maybe the enemy really doesn't you can't be scared off because it's not politically correct to ask that question out loud. That's possible also. if you believe. The enemy deserves a head coaching job. You wanna see what he does. And i do by the way. Do you really wanna stick them in a terrible situation. Like on the on the on the texans right now when shawn watson out of there like lepe enemy inherited situation where he is a fighting chance to do well. I think that's actually more important than he gets the next job dr falcon. We've professor eagle waiting on line for no professor ego. Lucas in iowa. Max show espn radio. Hey mac fan my prediction. My prediction is that Gee i'm brian pace and twenty eighteen coach of the year matt nagy. We'll take the bears of the playoffs next year. Possibly when you behind quarterback deshaun watson. yeah. I mean that's a me is a great spot for the shawn watson. I don't know that they have the draft capital the cap space and the willingness by the sean to want to go play in windy city right but in terms of how from a fans point of view. How can all work out. And i'm not. I'm a giants fan but like the bears. Never had a great quarterback. And two sean. If you want super bowl in chicago would be a new kind of icon. So i'd love to see it but But look miami and the jets. They have draft capital. They have cap space. If you like salah you you like the head coach. Obviously miami has a good head coach. If it's important that the shawn watson that there is minority representation in the front office and the coaching head coaching position. Well they have that in new york at especially in miami lakers have anything to be worried about by the way none of them. Not just the nets. What about the philadelphia. Seventy sixers sudan beads given in the business ben dietrich host of cookies hoops at cookies hoops contributor contributor to the new york times the wringer grantland an agreed follow on twitter. Joins us on the goodyear hotline. It's going on ben. I'm glad to be here. Mac thank you thanks for coming on. It's at be d. e. r. i c. k. at dietrich spur spelled detrick. For reason what happened. And it was as an ellis island thing what happened. How detrick dietrich. I mean i feel like there's like a whole scandal that happened in rural pennsylvania. Somewhere way back in time and no one wants to talk about dietrich's and detrick germans. Yeah tangled web a tangled web. Yes so i'm watching the nets big three. I'm not overly concerned. Ben about kyrie taking all those shots. It's his first game back. I'd rather see him be himself then dean his head and not wonder how to plan all that stuff but i was alarmed by the nets defense like they traded a lot to get hardened and through injury and trade. Their thinned out. They can't play defense or at least they don't they. Don't have a guy to grab any defensive boards. That looks troubling to me like they're going to have to make a move. What was your impression. I am so excited by this nets experiment of putting together three guys or you know iconic offensive basketball players and the team and just kind of abandoning defense fully people thought. The rockets were being experimental last year. This is almost more exhilarating right getting. I ran some of the numbers and looking at their defense. When jared allen was off the court because he's no longer on the team and wendy andrei off the team. They're giving up something like one hundred and twenty five points per one hundred possessions in those minutes and scoring one hundred twenty one. I mean this is just. We'll see ben right away. I see a problem. I see a problem. According to my math. I didn't major in math or anything. But i'm doing this at my head. No pen pen and paper but according to my math one. Twenty five is more than one. Twenty-one and that's not going to be enough to get it done it sure is so. Yeah i'm this is what's exciting right. These three dynamic offense of superstars on a team that under no circumstances it looks as if it can defend for long periods of the game. Yeah you know. What does i love. It does occur to me to has there ever in the history of the nba been three players on the same team whose talent offensively pitched at this level in the sense that they're all great scorers from all three levels. I mean presumably hardened from three level certainly from two levels. You don't take mid range right. But but cairo is a deadly outside shooter. Incredible finisher in the paint. Kevin durant is as efficient as anyone who ever lived off offensively and harden obviously can shoot so the shooting you know usually in a big three lee. Someone is a guy who's maybe not the greatest shooter in the world. But these three guys are all the greatest shooter in the world to say nothing of joe harris. Like if they can if they can get this thing together offensively. I don't how do you defend and right like okay. Finally let's get a landry shamet on the court shooting. How long that yeah. Yeah sh sham. It was like you know the three point specialist in la but the other four guys can actually play ball joe harris basketball player not just the shooter and the three other guys are hall of famers meantime. What i'm what i'm flipping back and forth and the sixers of the team that impressed 'em bead has been. He has lost his mind. He's like in this in this small ball era. He combines a lot of those skills with some classic big man skills guys like tyson and who else was trying to guard and they're just not big enough. They can't do it. You double or triple m. you're going to send them to the line and on defense. He's been great defensively this year. He's my mvp. So far your thoughts on the sixers and mbeadh well. Embiid has been absolutely phenomenal. It's not just the workload that he's accepted and it's that he's been land. Disley efficient just outrageous. You know he's getting to the line he's making shots. They're shooting three. I i mean he's doing everything you can ask on offense and Caring you know a significant burden while doing that. But i just look at your point. Before about the changing demographics of the league that changing prototypes. And this is why basketball is fascinating to me because we can shift toward small ball. And then you're like wait a minute we have to put tristan thompson on joel embiid and we have to it in. Joel how what are we supposed to do. And you know there's they got nothing for him. Defensively no nothing. Nothing at all and you know a couple of years ago. They had horford. And aren't they right to have let horford walks of. Yeah yeah that makes sense but that was really their their life preserver against someone like joel. Embiid horford aid is launching. The pilot horford was great defensively on in the playoffs. But these guys and horford a special case at least back then these guys. We'll have nothing for him and he's getting to the line and he's hitting his free throws and even hit a three. I mean not even here. He'll hit three from time to time. He he's really been the total package. The roster looks deep and good ben. Simmons has not yet been ben. Simmons your thoughts. I think we're gonna talk about his struggles. We have to the surface. It's for him. It's really been scoring the ball at the efficiency that we're used to seeing from him you know he was a fifty percent shooter last season top ten the nba You know from the floor and this year it's about fifty percent so that's that's a cute declined but it's still fifty percents from the floor I think the rest of the game has been you know excellent. He's you leaders in a fifth in rebounds steals A ton for him. He's shooting better from the line modestly. Which is already a strong suit for him. But i gotta say you know. I think it's worth mentioning. This guy hurt his back without for basically the entire year from february or came back into bubble hurt. His knee had knee surgery. She played like two games. Two and a half real games in the last eleven months before the beginning of the season and includes knee surgery so like i'm only worried about lasting ramifications of that surgery. I'm not worried about mental stuff. I'm not worried about his slow start to me. It's just like hopefully this is rust. And it's not that he will have to deal with you know down the line. We're gonna hit a commercial break. Pretty since i want to get. This in the lakers. Have the box. But what i'm interested in is how you think they match up with the nets right now. It looks like oh the lakers are well oiled machine and they just want a championship and if anything they got better and they can play defense. The nets were this wild experiment as you said and yet if the nets get to the finals they're going to have three guys who can get their own shots on absurd level like historically great level and convert them very efficiently and if they're playing together by then and assuming they pick up another defensive piece to me it's a real interesting matchup. What are your thoughts. I still think you have to be passable. Defensively win a title. You know because you're gonna have games when you should poorly the other teams poorly and it's like. Are you getting easy. Buckets or not i i. I really love what the nets are are thinking about. And maybe it's a consequence of the situation. Know they may have used that ammunition for for trading or a guy who better connective tissue a better defensive player a big man and this just how things shook out but i i don't see them being a threat to the lakers and the less they can middling on defense but i'd love to be proven wrong because it it. It flouts convention. I love that idea of saying. We can be so good on offense terrible on the title ben dietrich ladies and gentlemen the a lot of jobs ringer in the new york times and cookies hooping hoops summit in grantland. Ben come back. it's been too long. Then you had a couple of times. He took a hiatus for like months. Don't be a stranger. what would you know. I'll come back on and you're right about there. It is then dietrich. Ladies and gentlemen i liked by the way i like simmons even with them bead. I think simmons maybe might be better off with his own team but as the freak got his own team but obviously the very good together. And if simmons gets his form back maybe it's the sixers and not the nets who come out of the east. Stephen a smith goes beyond the headlines to unlock a unique world of hot takes one of a kind segments and can't miss interview stream this more on his new show steven steven as world series. He has stevens a list on. I take molly. 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That's geico dot com. Why at one step. That's one running with elite. Qb's wrestled at the kenneth on td's across nova step behind need to cloud. Because you know. Thirty to go. Pushed us bruce. Lee got the crew on lebeau oj. No one else goes deeper. S effect once the espn app download. Now max the podcast closer to championship. Sunday got making the super bowl. Eighty eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six some good match ups men the way i mean. Look don't forget patrick. Mahomes hurt his foot before he got concussed and by the way i was relieved. It was just a concussion because it had almost a face mask affect the way the back of his head was caught. I was afraid. I was going to be a spinal injury. I was relieved when it was a concussion but before that he hurt his foot he's still picked up a first yard with his legs but he hurt his foot patrimony. They're gonna patrick mahomes to be patrick. Mahomes to beat this bills team the way their bills a playing defense recently look how they stop the run game of the baltimore ravens. I know the passing game is a lot different. You can play the run differently against baltimore still and then the nfc championship game. Oh my god. It's not forget books. Beat the brakes off the packers at tampa at a time. When rogers was white hot that brady brady and the defense stopped him in his tracks. Check out marvel studios division original series now streaming only on disney plus. Patrick mahomes took a big set of potentially being cleared to play on sunday. It's a tall tall mountain to climb if you don't have patrick mahomes. I'm told the patrick mahomes has successfully worked his way through the mid to later stages of that protocol. The max kellerman shows presented by progressive insurance. Mahomes took all the snaps at wednesday's practice. How long before we have a sponsored element called all the snaps. And i have to say that every time all the snaps is brought to you. Who's more valuable to their team. Josh allen or patrick mahomes the answer. is patrick. Mahomes next topic aaron rodgers. Look obviously josh allen. Stefan digs have chemistry. They got something good going but the bills are actually not as josh. Allen has to play well for them for them to win right. He has to be competent. But could you imagine a kind of quiet game from josh allen and the bills still beat the chiefs. I can the bills defense. Please really well josh. Allen doesn't make a lot of mistakes but doesn't have the biggest game and the bills win. They're actually more balanced team at this moment and the nfl so much of it is not like. How'd you do all season. It's where are you at the moment of the game. Where's the team team. Changes over time. Because it's a full contact sport. It's war of attrition. In many respects and harder for me to imagine the chiefs withstanding a subpar game from patrick mahomes and still winning. Not like i don't think they're gonna rely on their defense and run game to win this but i think actually the bills could if mahomes is off meantime aaron rodgers the necessarily see. This is the last dance does he. He said his future is a beautiful mystery. One thing that strikes me about rogers. And i like rogers a lot. I like the way he talks and things. He's obviously very bright but rodgers does not seem to have. He's better than farve ever was but far seem to have something even as he was making decisions. That you call selfish like brett there guys on the team lying on you. Don't throw into double coverage like that. And he threw a lot of picks because he was a gunslinger and rogers doesn't make mistakes. Almost never almost a perfect quarterback right but rodgers sort of almost overly cerebral approach. I don't know how that plays in the locker room. Far had more of a kind of far by the way is very good on tv and radio but he had more of the kind of ben rothlisberger meathead approach to stuff that that might play well in an nfl rocker room. There's something about being overly intellectual. I think that can be interpreted as soft somehow definite enough. You know patrick. Mahomes has all the stuff. Rogers has nothing physically. Rodgers can do. Mahomes can't momcilo bigger and stronger. Also but he doesn't do it with that little extra. Aaron rodgers intellectual kind of the patina of intellectual. Listen you know. He doesn't mahomes more like he has arron rogers stats but we almost like with farve attitude that you could see a team rallying around him because of that. I can't remember even in the divisional round. How many great quarterbacks we've seen this think of who's been eliminated philip rivers and he retired baker mayfield off a terrific season and he played well for he got eliminated. Lamar jackson one year removed from an mvp gone. Who am i forgetting. A lot of good quarterbacks of forgetting someone good forgetting someone important who am. I forgetting someone else could. I can't even think of so many great quarterbacks in these playoffs and we're down rogers versus brady laureate has zallun twain haskins. Get out of here. Raj by the way you see pittsburgh. Pittsburgh signed dwayne haskins one year. The future robert virginia. You're on the max kellerman show espn radio. Hey max You brought up a really interesting point earlier about tomlin. 'cause i don't know if you'll just story the pittsburgh steelers told russ Their offensive line coach. He had the job but tomlin so bloom away with the interview. Had to go back. And say. We're gonna go with tom because the rooney rule had to interview a minority. But the only thing that makes sense for me as the enemy isn't interviewing very well. And and i think too. That head coaches have different responsibilities than coordinators. It's almost like the virginia tech defensive coordinator bud foster was great coach but everybody thought he would be a poor head coach and so And i think that's the only thing that makes i agree with you but there's but there's been like backlash at least on social media of people making fun of that in other words. This is another. Excuse why they're not hiring a black candidate for a job and it does seem when you do it on a case by case basis there are always these good reasons why it's not that that there's a unfair hiring practices in this case. This particular black head coach is not a candidate is not good or or well. No we knew our heads. We wanted to be a head coach at were the most qualified candidate and he's white but that's not a reason for us not to take him. So people are a little bit allergic. I think to this idea where or wait a minute. What's the excuse for be enemy but actually agree the enemy. At least from what i've seen of him. Do you like your head football coach to feel like he's in charge and he's hard nose guy like obvious. Solid comes out that we comes off like a guy you'd wanna play for but comes off that way very much in charge and tomlin comes off that way right joe. Judge actually came off so much that way that given the thinness of his resume. I thought i don't know if that's gonna work and how that's going to fly right but but the enemy doesn't come off that way at least not from what i've seen. He comes off a nicer guy and so so. I think it's reasonable to ask. Both how much of this is an excuse rationalization for hiring practices where it just seems to be. Whatever the reason boy a lotta white guys get the job lot of black guys. Don't and how much yeah but in this case. Actually he's not interviewing as well as other guys. That's a fair question to ask to me. Who's america rooting for to play in. The super bowl came across some data. 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Hawn at noon. Shimane golick junior at four. Pm eastern standard time. You heard. I take good to hear your voice by out here. Throwing down here matches lasting maximum out so. Cbs did some research. And i wanted to share it with with the people with america now. They did research on hulu. America's rooting for by states. I will ask you and brendan. You wouldn't be start for instance. Let's say we're massachusetts. Who do you think massachusetts bringing out of these fourteen. Let me take a wild guess. Go ahead and say massachusetts is rooting for tom. Brady okay. what came to play for the bucks. Okay okay you see how to play you. See how to play. I do that. Your guest well brendan or engineer. Roj the producer. I'm gonna go green bay. Why okay. what's the logic because they're rooting against brady ethic. There are some people that are not happy with them. that's okay well that is incorrect. The are rooting for tampa. In fact they were good for tampa. Hey let's take it to the west coast. What about california. Who do you think california's rooting for you. Who is california rooting for it. Comes down to the quarterbacks. Brady mahomes rogers or josh allen. It ain't got it could be rodgers. I'm going to go ahead and know who would who. They have an interest in limited time in this team. The bills the roof of the bills. Okay what are you say. Brennan green bay because aaron rodgers is from california well in california. There's a whole lot of raider fans knew what i was thinking. Playing the chiefs thinking is rooting for the bill. The bills right. That's what it comes down to. Its raiders territory. That's right that's right. Of course the rams as well we are stationed. Rams they're saying. What the raiders. Still got a lock on imagination of america's team america's team so who is texas and forego. Here maxine texas root for whose texas rooting for state of texas. Who would the cowboys cowboys would be rooting against the nfc. 'cause they're haters with maybe rooting from a homes or josh allen. Now they're haters. They're delusional as stephen a. Says cowboys fans they. They can't route from homes. They can't root for josh allen. Either who josh out. There root for the bills okay. What about you. What do you say be. I'm gonna go buffalo as well. Be your finally got one right. That's all you gotta do is just copy max. They are rooting for buffalo australian utah. Who's right about that. Yes you're right you're right. You're right if you're as pure logical deduction that's all you're doing you talk. Figure out them rooting for go ahead max. Middle of the country is gonna be packers or chiefs. But they're going to be closer. Utah's not like north. I'll say i'll say. Kansas city will tell you i'm going to agree with max again and also go kansas city. That's the first one. It got there rooting for green bank. Is that trend is twenty. Two states are rooting for buffalo. Ten rooting for k. C. tenor rooting for tampa bay and eight states are rooting for the packers. So a lot of haters out there hate green bay lot of buffalo bills. I gotta say this nacional. It's a feel good story the buffalo bills and their fans or support member when they lamar jackson. They flood is charity with money. We had that buffalo bills fan. Call and say i don't want patrick mahomes miss this game. I want to beat them. Full strength. like bills fans are are almost showing off at this point and apparently they got support from. That's actually surprising. They got more states for them than anyone area. America's team cowboys fans the buffalo bills. How the lakers do versus honest tonight. We have a very special guest tomorrow. Great joe montana. Max kellerman show. Espn radio thanks. For listening to the max kellerman show make sure you subscribe to rate and review. You can hear the show weekdays at two pm eastern on. Espn radio espn news. Or wherever you stretch your audience.

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Script Supervision with Marilyn Kirby

The Screenster Podcast

43:33 min | 2 years ago

Script Supervision with Marilyn Kirby

"We'd obviously I wish that my ideal scene is to people in the sitting table. No loose on moving it back to speak out in that's very boring greasy. Hello and welcome to the screens to podcast a polk cast talking about films television shows and the people who make the magic happened in frontal and behind the camera. I'm Georgie an actress and screen lava and I'll be talking to my guests about their careers in the industry what it takes to keep saying in an unpredictable world and what movies have inspired them along the way today. I'm chatting to the wonderful script supervisor Marlin Kirby Marlins role in film and T._V.. The involves overseeing the continuity of production. She's worked closely alongside several of your favorite names like surveys on his latest hit afterlife and Charlie Brooker on his show band to snatch we talk more about how she go into this job her interaction with actors Tis onset and why people love spotting continuity errors on this skip defies. I mean I also give it is supervising the script so they need your job is make sure that everything on the script get filmed and all of the Earth Day and also to check continuities within the script but yeah main these kind of just in case of you have a script you make the people say the right words and actions take place and that when he when people get Internet have they need simply to make that script live what and how and why did you decide to go into a script division. It's molar I I also killed sakes and have a hard luck story for how difficult it was into the industry terrible I in my life. My life is a series of just fortunate incidence. I think so I went to university and English in Film T._V.. Degree I talked to drop the film and T._V.. Interesting and hate the practical stuff which makes it off a lot and one of my place twins investigate was doing teaching degree and she am. She Got School placement for the House Bill. Are we getting a flat letter K. five price for everything anything I might say many jobs. I'm the one that we do want to sweat architects firm that and but the also I was interested in <unk> and I so I applied for beer sexiest TV company Nice consumer into the state the I lost the address and somehow or the is so much to find this place thanks. I'm quite good at member of looked at stuff and <hes> so yes I don't receptionist kind of gave it to me. I think on the <unk> filthy university bottles undiminished gray into that's how I go into that and then they had tradition that they are a opposing the receptionist like the an prediction secretary receptionist and the live is actually then that's how it worked so after by illness after my friends at deal to guide production like Jerry Hey may as skip secretary in a product and then she lynch said which way don't go you won't be put up to major audio up and I hate it with money so much joy club our bosses system that would be that they did. They tried me up so I did and I mean I was three. Lucky 'cause it was at that point. They can star for five years ago. I my first few years supervisor was a stall which was really good. Yeah even left they will they always task was back which is waiting and by staff. You mean you work internally for that production yeah yeah I was just stuff so I had Holiday Inn benefits and as loud sick days and it was just like in our industry it's a this idea of stuff and having all these benefits of just being able go to have holiday proper holiday. Pay was just extraordinary invest what I knew then and then when freelancers quite frightening me how to do support from the payback it's great but the asthma attacks but yes it is this is lying. What might be quite ta with my were there? I mean they still exist in a much more form but they were disability lovely company for lovely people he wants to do to swam to always helped you yeah. That's really great. That's really interesting. You hear a lot of people starting out as receptionist on you because once you've actually got your in the door that's a good way to then yeah amazing and you've worked on a lot of the wonderful ricky jay visas productions such as the recent and brilliant and very popular afterlife. Is this a coincidence or is it planned that you end up working on a lot of his shows. Neither I got his producer. I made from back when receptionist at Lake that he he he been working on a shy. If actually what he was also very fair share I worked on on production and so I'm Outta went freelance he kind of brought me into life's too short which was still ricky and Stephen Point great without the one with David was on the knife horrid and I am quite <unk> via three did that kind of as time's gone on of ended up doing almost all for almost all event Mickey stuff enough. Hey split Stevens. I did deny the pilots Derek says Derek but it hasn't always what tout depending on my availability when they can book means he get Books Limited series or contrary say off last series too. I will not be doing because I'm not able to unfortunately okay but I did. I miss option which is really good really kind of feel like last year was a good year for things big well received yeah. Does that happen to not where you get to know certain people and they'll contact you back for certain jobs completely. You know you find say you know ricky kind of you know he likes. He's quite loyal. Having the same people ran into the to their changes because say sometimes people just aren't available for various reasons but he'll always want to how the same people battle and now he works quite well with him I think so and because he's also writing directing on St he needs and another is he just want somebody can trust to be able to say stuff and so that makes us developed and then he conned if that happens with satirizes <unk> get off modem because relations with addressing sometimes quite close he is good if all within the end undoing China's tool that project if he can yes it is always it's more cases almost signs as will bring them back immune with producers directors matisses. Put me forward but yeah I didn't have an agent. It's always about people have worked with previously recommend daily for what's that's great well. It seems to have worked that way. Why with some people need as an agent with your job because I think sometimes I have toured with the idea getting agent Nashville because I've talked about how much hatred money that's my worst thing is like negotiating my rate and there's lots of changes happening happening in like an to rates and it's always and so sometimes you think Oh yes if I may June I want to deal with this house could do the horrible conversations about? I can't take that little money but also I think you're starting out all oh if you just if he wants to continue working because sometimes do have gaps which can be in some has a net gaps in sometimes it six six weeks because just because of the way things time down in the at all if I had made in bill to get on a commercial for instance all done dude that part of the people have never heard of any of them before they didn't know who I am before things and I know that when I worked on jobs sometimes we've had get someone in to cover and say for whatever reason in snow in united available than <unk> agencies having to last evades try and find someone that you think Elise dateable. They're all pros. Having agent is just I do. I personally never quite got point yeah. It's refreshing to hear that you can just go out and do it yourself anyway. I mean so many people in loads of the different jobs. I imagined doing how agents I have. A friend of rigor. Friend is like Lime Caesar in the last year. I just went right right now. All questions posed to be asking job and to my new actually going by being stung on a job last year like right said a mayday sorry this is on but I needed to all these questions on a no the united by needle these questions answered so then under Nero stabbed because now has to be big better this because otherwise I find myself meticulous situation. She was fit like these all the right. My answers like it's fun any wrong answers. I just made it tonight. BEYONCE's you've worked on some other brilliant productions in British comedy. He like catastrophe again is his plan doors is because they're kind of similar people work in the comedy world and end up knowing each other. I think yeah those probably a bit both with that one actually so I two zero the company L. Staff at comedy comedy with some kind of factual stuff okay and I've always loved comedy and so because of that icon of the people new comedy and but I do love melody get in a phone call main. That's bit more straight drama or ankle offer the film that was I don't sign a Harry and in the did it my friends with me really knew the comedy Girls Gang Azi viscount thinking thinking so which isn't say. I think comedy can actually highlight very important issues. Yeah I think my strength. Lying comedy and I enjoy doing comedy miss a slight always true thing that you know if you're working comedy having good time the maybe not the time get slapped the inaugural kind of inner. It's Iwo you understand that you're trying to make people laugh. Entertain people and maybe bring a joy to people's lawyer. I think that's quite important yeah absolutely definitely okay so you get a script for new production new job what the first steps okay so the I descript <unk> script means good game five which twice a man he you have to start an unusually. I kind of changing we're trying to get paid. Bliss is impossible but so depending how good it but I just like tomake notes they sometimes you've <unk> the fresh pair of is because North on Michael the script it's been developed for like months if not years but sometimes people get quite tunnel vision about it for the job this year where I started when Matt sites them you understand the you have these two scenes that don't work together in this in the baby's been born. The name in this scene Bethlehem Hospital in the baby has a name right. Oh you're right rights but because there was so in the middle of it in all these scripts because nights ten episode then they were they haven't seen it not because there are not good jobs just because it was just is sometimes it's very hard when you're just getting through scripts and skip the I ease my friend pair of I just to kind of pup things like that. You Know Kinda guy well. These dates don't work you say that they were born in this moment but then they were this old miss when it comes to babies so the first day to lead and then you make notes which then Nishi tunnels producers threatens then depending what we want the normally they want the timings I next time the script okay this anomaly different home insistently Ebola was restricted. They'll face in in in a window play so they can watch never been latter. That's actually act out the script a nice what you and your yes we all my love their each my flat hat cina just walking around why flat pretending it's mansions of and yes why time it out and seven wants to how long the script Song Sleigh because you have with most things you have kind of time time limits something netflix is actually quite interesting net flicks. It has to be an average todd across the series after twenty minutes long not exactly thank for its own but long as the average time is twenty five now except battle site c time script amend the next thing you do. Is You breakdown script so I have this kind of chart. She'd call it with different headache and in it's like Emma missing like tights place in this place like the House studying room for instance and these characters in County Jack and any makeup caution nights nice black high all someone's wet right from the rain or any kind of makeup of costume nights than property pros needs to be right when he set reading that needs to be there and he's special effects in visual effects. If it's it's a stunt I put in and then also have to do times of day so that was much tons is always thing where I'm like. We shouldn't have any clocks. I'm a big games that crop needs to be there. Muscle huge continuity a veteran watchers what times a day and sometimes I'll be something specific difficult put the dates or the year or something today lots of Flash Batsman's. Don't you be like it's nine hundred eighty seven Marlin eight seven something like that today's Day night evening. Yes is any general nights if there's any <unk> dancing wanting to attract all in a any nights on that particular sade so the unseen by saying basis number down and not get off to best department saucy apartment Yank up question everyone and a an audit in the right Dan some jobs logged obser- nobody going to hassles essentially hassles and I make is kind of it's the kind of job where changes depending on the pedestrian and to some drop them allow have script by make changes another does not large scripts and someone else makes changes okay rehearsals. I take down notes saying when you'll as an active it sometimes a non isn't free ride so it doesn't feel rights he wanted to change its light as in a change it depending on whether or not the party consign office in the room on by that fair and then let's with Ricky's jobs. I take days notes lights needs. Is there any way than I just put willing to document while Sunday bathrooms as called it but so yeah the that it I think that's the main bit switch yeah. So what do the different departments do with that information. That means means that you're the first person who's broken down what we need to each apartment is a rain breakdown N._C.. Musi but we just make sure the ASS tally. Yes okay I got so if you know so like story is that's nothing to do so community mentioned today's story days is when you decide which scenes type place over the same day so then you have to this can sometimes baby discrepancy goes from day to day. He called always is that same days at different day and and he kind of decision I would notice what shave a producer more than anything but sometimes director it just depends about. I think will these things together. That is one story I think will these guys gather another story some of the writers well and then costume come up to me and say in makeable say whether or not bay if they have any discrepancy in if they have different point-of-view the department and it kind of it's always conversation source concessions made sure on the same page in some writers will potted offline. This is a new day great. Thanks very much ambiguity there yet but sometimes raise in house Econo- decide that we have something recently was I went. This is the longest day in the world. This scene has different was this there's no way <unk> old company one day much sometimes happen <hes> but yeah say storied I._C._S.. They just everyone disarray breakdowns and we make sure they match and say take caution either in the same question yes sometimes oh the went out and it come back to the same questions we all WanNa right and does does your breakdown influence than what the not how the line producer or the Saturday deal the people who are in charge of the scheduling leather schedule it would normally the first lady he does schedule would have started two to three weeks before I could mess so so the schedule Yeah job is based on the things sometimes and then and they might destroy day right on themselves. Sometimes what happens that they do story daybreak down and then they say if you look at the store breakdown pending Oh my though not working on a I'm doing his whether I can look at it ahead of time for them. They raise harming sometimes as they gave you. Can you like also holiday last week and time my next pilots and I couldn't. I was like I'm on holiday. How Stop Watch anything Yeah Asaba robot so that's gets else incident so they they do their own version and then I kind of come in and say with him I think the made can treat schedules? Yes loss of that. The decision making happened before a unable to get for six episode series to prep while says an loss can take hassles in Wednesday. Say Yes a loss of devices we may but yes they get tweet by what I've said. If I when I point out nice ace and so what's your role like when you go onto set so honestly I consider myself like an assistant to the director that assist retreats right so the writer from guys say he kind of onset chill there to again so then it's become obsessed with the words contradicting making sure the words said Yeah and also that the coordinators right tonight but picking up the cup with the same hand and all that kind of stuff as well as also checking in the right costume from the scene where filming the Right Day and all the property night that all they all come together because of that point. You're kind of thank you all say the editors is onset to make sure that when he sought to cut it is <unk> B._S._A.. But you'll say <hes> so I guess is baked t it again. I'm this varies from job to job because arose slot aim afraid sometimes address has one frontal <unk> innovators dependence but I will say things like that nine is it right and then sometimes we'll have a discussion about whether or not that matters give my opinion on what do I think it matters because sometimes the lines have been very precise. I did of Charlie Brooker suggestive cloth about six years ago. I loved I shared by the bodies. Keep washing cloth. Supply is it might top three definitely did all three of them and I love them so but with that because almost everyone is a joke they have said exactly doc you scripted and charters very much like eating. You've killed a joke if killed Jake and say sedan there would be like no deviation and actually preferred that could be able to go you know yes certainly all around and also hard yeah I know but they're not going to reach down here and he'll tell you off and like all the actors by the way but but sometimes it's Kinda be is not always is precise that from hunting. Thank you can get away things and have to think well how we got. Have you missed a joke or have you got the information that we need to this line united as it still feel true to what it's supposed to be yeah so sometimes he not very long long seen deny four pages and sometimes it at one to tripping actor up by being leading picked out about something that actually white matter <hes> and not really helpful sometimes because they had in a flight any them to do this. This is the line that's really important that bit high or hello or how are you doesn't matter it Max same wherever works so yes and that's kind of so onset I began to become this pattern. That's Kinda think about scripts happening. It's the same concentrated. Sometimes we think well actually does it matter. That's GONNA slightly later because we will be on this shot will be contract with an Edison's brain trust. Oh you speak to the directors while guy led by thing that's okay because you weren't used a shot for that bit or it's either all and so we don't have to cause some actors. Mrs Not many actor so there's a Brennan taking lots of notes and somatic kids get <hes> flustered by lots of nights right or or justice wanting a bad day because you have to remember that people human Nina Yeah and and so the NAS out to the wealth of harkness people like plays now anyhow I know I'm so sorry but it won't be out to make it work here and so yeah it's always about me talking to produce in the director another right. If they're about is this AK in and often I found the right righted especially what's more lenient with their worth. I am not and I know it needs to be that because of the night you're thinking known he won't get his right fine. It said it's fine but I've also worked with both have written nine catastrophe without a rob they'd written it so right and now is that ben how is affecting with that so then with that I would just be just say this script it. You're saying that in a kind of like excuse your what and do some time DIS strating. How do they say slide how consume resist what you're trying to say that in various ways one actor who do I hate watching him because I just say he? He had a very tricky script. He's into saying there's a loss but it costing Amer is three things but em and he couldn't get style walk right in particular in two people and really matter does it was like I know I know it looks like nonsense tightly scripted nonsense and so amongst awesome actually sense you have to do to as written you just have yeah and it got to put much taking off the bits it might about four and more to take with right words does an instance. We couldn't get away with a good performance reached the point where he just like what night don't talk Jay. Go in the desert to be like you go back in like net at this point. There's nothing I can do you want me near his arm out and he doesn't want me and I find it as well with actress couldn't couldn't get laundry and she just pushed me my book away who normally that my book my script with me. Get them like nothing I can do. I'm not in a way it's directed how this thing. Sometimes they want to organize it with the actor because they want they want them to be. Sometimes you have to be the bad guy and if you have anything happens by a rabbit does happen. You become the bad guy and let's don't torture anymore like your your problem and again from on a help <hes> but if they're having a bad day or they're just not very nice people couple of those you. There's nothing you can do. I can and I can try and go him if he didn't always taught. You tell you what you're doing right. There was going to go again and again and again yeah so yes sometimes they do this and they just ritchie push away and that the guy that was particularly like at the end of the day I mean he winked at me. He's like Oh look through that members wanting to punch him. God us so to me. That's a now as a really quite long. I get a harder for but again I can't. He's now whereas they care about that. I think he thought I needed three days. What was better? I wish that my ideal scene is to people in a room to sitting table. No moves he breath you know and and the say speak out in this very boring born greasy and then accurately they giving uncomplicated like caters to fly preparing meals. Why do I have this frigyes picking and she was really good it occasionally starting to different place in house train? Get that back out and we just be like Dan. This is really complicated this but we have to make it look interesting yeah as not 'cause 'cause. I guess if we tried to like help continuity or make things easier than we might will just end up with a table so I think that's perfectly legitimate baseball. What do you think the fact that people have to make T._v.? Shows like the biggest movie blunders or the biggest T._V. continuity errors. Why do you think people love during that same much all because paypal like to see people make mistakes and you know it's people face yeah? I don't remind those programs but have a activity enjoyed them properly. Do you watch them. Nothing now. Bucci worried something I worked but I think I'm also KINDA WANNA go but it's not it's not fair because sometimes it would have been performance decision. Yetter is not a mistake as they decided it was a mistake but there's a whole lot of reasons why that went out there that probably erected on the next hate decided not to go with it or they run up time or you know all that's really want to step off. I add for the thoughts I've ever this year how to read about Migraine and I'm sick so I had to come off set and some of the poor coordinator to step in and do my job for me anything. You don't know who didn't know what happened that I'm a bit like it's me but I get it. Get an that's really interesting to hear the performance. Take I never thought Latin so give the people at break view as they go. You got reason now and also I think sometimes engaged in something yeah you you forgive I am I was obsessed with search party and it nephew sausage on. I think I noticed my family trying to find in the day I think the first is not disappeared as part of our walk presents on channel full addictive Foreign Orange Alma it is actually in American. It's like an independent one but they lots of things like that. Judge learned yet like this comedy drama your idea but this was an American <unk> brutal won't the cats is having bag swapped shoulders with Luke but actually I love that shy so often engage. Dave knows it all in so I think he has to. I remember watching I we let them <unk> indicating earning show and especially the first series that continuity of all race. Oh my God was happening that break any kind of a gave it was kind of I mean that kind of mortar camera comedy American comedy anyway you as I see what's in some time Oh okay okay is let it good well. Yeah someone going you know sometimes I can't get into yeah and sometimes for some reason something would trip people had one actress and she's a brilliant actors and I love her and and I said in the wide he had pulled the on the table the mobile phone towards the say on this mid shop we can say it's we just needed to pull it towards Eh. retouching gave I came to the point that should know like collecting I can see at and I can see in the head. They know when this headline wrong. I can see their faces gang. ooh sorry it's fun again that worry sometimes they exactly yeah go. Let's just go got on say I understand why people enjoy them yeah but at the same time I wanna go I mean sometimes. It's just a mistaken some we. We're all capable of bad day too many balls at something something goes I think as well the reason why people love those show so much is because they can see a window into your lives as production workers and it's like the crossing the barrier between just a viewer and being part of the production itself so it's kind of like uh-huh window in and they latch onto it. That's my how'd you pick with being a freelancer answer. Would you find it quite easy. 'cause you do like large chunks of jobs. Yes I think when I first going to be answer it was kind of scary and it's terrifying yeah and now I mean now just such a lazy my oh I did breeders how it means. The filming thirteen minutes filming see it's been two weeks of course in such a good memory and so. And I came off holiday which on T._V. Christmas tieger lot Marilyn sounds like having the last year for various reasons bearing Cape and then I went into straight into a job on a camouflage went straight from perpetrators which was quite intent had a week lesson I should have done and they also sheet forward so I should have had always ended we turn off breath from this China scramble to start shooting and and and so that Laura I'm I was thinking when I finished breed in this in this field essentially wherever it was dying of Hay fever and it was condiment like work what's that I had all this year at had somewhere to be almost every weekday not have a couple of Sunday's Andro Saturday so it's like this knowledge that I didn't have to do anything for about four weeks was like a date. How how does that work? That's learn how to cook again. God am how say see yes so the freelancer now I just really like what do you mean you want me to get. You also have had like four weeks for five weeks bit. Like what do I do literally Daijo again once six weeks off when I rang light Ren Gay forgotten everything in the beginning as we're having such a nice time in completely jack. You've got mad when you're probably when you don't have a job do most often like have a job lined up for afterwards off finish the job and sometimes don't have things lined up after sometimes I all I mean there was when I found went free dogs. I think about a couple of years in I had I didn't work for four or five months. I think what it won't work and and by didn't I want my national was going to be but that wasn't going to be until April so banks this massive gap but nothing to finish it but yeah more often than not I might be bit like anything filled in for like six months and six months. I know that I'm going to do then you do something tons up. These MS shortage of Communist advisors saying that helps me. That's it's really good. Why also just quickly? Do you think way script to five women is still the case yet so there are males with devices in a lot more in America and if it was a lot more film right. I think maybe <unk> is a bit is changing. There's no production was often quite male dominated as anti male female dominated and so I think maybe people come up that way. Sometimes I'm not exactly sure why if I think it's not technical even like an Admin girly job. I don't know why it was all continente. Go the continuity go yeah and so I think that's why but it shaven as one guy I know that's coming up and he he kept in Hungary eight IOS device. If I think is going to devise inside and yet my only real native but it's is questioning is someone came to set set for which you can from skill set all somewhere but year or so again said Oh. It's very male dominated isn't it. I thought really when I started my very first job I not only women that was in you know is like onset like he was. He was like it'd be like three of US Reno and so as not like Lowe's now like cameras and at least one or two and Saudi now one of them sadness isn't told me a woman. That's not now so so yes chain but he was quite funny to me. She's still thought it's not like I know I see women everywhere. Now there was none it was lit like me and like costume maker that amount of women in technical women like in the lighting department say say he just made me my we love. I thought the has been some progress. There is some progress in terms of that and I don't know why some things are still interesting but you know you get mel. Costume design is a male costume. Sam Buys now and get mail. Make designers and mail male make parties lance. Those traditional roles are now changing. I was assigned aged. Yeah I think so that intensive gender balance probably still uneven but it's not as an even as East Stephen Ten fifteen years ago. I think the other devastation issues church on them. Yeah cruiser is like <hes> I used to be the only non white face now now means you want to three so again. It's not it's not brilliant but it's not you know at least the rock changes people actively trying to change the looking at who they got you know it's like you know but also out say the biggest issue I think is the class itchy right and can you expand on that. The Palm we have is that I was really lucky assets were but I I was looking. I Left University managed to get your permanent job. As we sat through that pay me good wage able to sheriff at my friend brilliant alien live under nor is worth in commission and say that's great but stops a few and far between these days and and if you are not based in London or don't have parents that can subsidize you then how he's supposed to enter the industry because we all well paid people you know a better pay letting nurse and we're not well paid industry as run. You're still still quite lonely played and and that's how most soft was coming trainee or is also throwing or in. I was just trying to get work experience but if there's no if people went pay these days and how do those jobs hopes if you haven't got family background sport us if you come into working class background. I don't know how also posted do these jobs. How'd you get into these jobs and also is unfortunately sometimes a case of who you know <hes> it shouldn't be but it can be and I would never denigrating won't because I think we'll take his weather may but we can't pretend that if we'd find a way of funding people this is the film industry contracts so sandwich British economy? I think that we could afford to give proper grounds improper wages to people to allow everyone now yeah and I think the thing where they do regional stuff where so things like backwards was regional. It is not made within the twenty five is may not saw them. Twenty five is a great idea but will quite work because the industry is beside concentrated in London and or Manchester. Let's say bone and now more in Wales obviously okay but but if something's out than five people just pass to find their parents addresses because there isn't actually this people living that really do those jobs yeah so that's the solution one person living cabin crew living man yeah yes and so I'm not quite sure what the artery but definitely paying people enough so they can afford to live in the places where the work is. I think it's really important as is gonNA come out but she's GonNa look at Sports Iraq for little what to come up with jobs and again if you've got people that you know that you can stay with it gets us when it the what do you do if you live. I didn't know accompanied place now leads elite. Let's say and you don't know anyone in London wants to do especially what combination mostly london-based and how'd you do that. How how'd you get your foot in the door if you'd have rich parents and you've got in a year next Monday after you have to do those jobs aren't greatly paid just to try and they'll let you off the time so yeah I think I think whenever people talk about like the diversity of the Jenner thing I think will let look at the class thing because I think if it might is probably the most iced or change things about how we fun? People give people opportunities available to grow into the industry last question what you what she had a moment on television Oh right when I'm filming but it Really Watch famous depending in what my schedule's like I got him and do nights. I am I kind of a love most thing I think probably costume drama but like Downton Yeah. I love Costra parks. I thanked me Downton. Papa wasn't made again again into it for theories so I think the moment of what search dental Jacks I love to an expert in. I think that's really interesting. I did killing gave series to this. We can nice. I love physically from Ila watching the catch with big little lies touch it with that yet are very watch the first episode of the second season I mean streep so yeah I'm expecting big emerge about mastery yeah yeah I mean I got game face which I often to watch that try keep up with comedy as well. Wow that often what's comedy work accommodate the Busman's holiday for me I think an over the close friend comedian and she used to be like come to my gator but what I don't want anymore comedian through them he needed fray right. Give you that like the head space and then I go to professional have the greatest holiday but so yes so I mean my guilty pleasures like Detective Dramas Nice. I just love in Aikido poor detective drama whatever it may be but ah yes I think yeah go to finish off gentleman Jack. I've recorded catch way to Maryland. I absolutely love it or good. Have you watched any of it none of us seven recording it and saving up so crazy to try on what week thank you so much for answering questions of Ireland it's been so wonderful to you are aero hours as my nice. Thank you thank you so much.

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Hour 3: An Urban Legend?

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Hour 3: An Urban Legend?

"G santi willan. Zuber podcast dat. Just the first two hours this morning. It's dominating the conversation and on a weekend where we're gonna finally pair down to the conference championship in the nfl. It's gonna take a lot to the nba to steal the thunder. But james harden a former member of the thunder has done just that keyshawn. Jay will zubin presented by progressive insurance all of our guests on the goodyear hotline including the one and only stephen. A smith in five minutes steven a. Is brought to you by goodyear whether you're on the field or on the edge of your seat. Goodyear wants you to embrace the unexpected every upset touchdown or fourth quarter comeback. Let it move you no matter what the season throws your way. Good years here to help. Drive you forward. Goodyear more driven against stephen a. Coming up eight oh five. Am eastern j. A couple of days ago. It's as simple as this. James harden told the fans in houston. I've given you everything. I have love this city of giving you every last drop. Now he's looking to give every last drop to a new city or borough or however you wanna shake it. Harden is a net shake it. It's it's one of the biggest moves. I think the nba has had a very long time. And i've said it before talent wise talent wise. I'm not saying how it works. What kind of offensive scheme you put them. In talent wise. This is the best big three that delete has ever seen on the same team. Talent wise kyri and his ability to score kevin durant being two time finals. Mvp james harden being a multiple scoring champion them all being on the same team special and roads brought up a good point in our two. He said you know who's going to acquiesce. i think that's james harden. You put james harden on the ball now james harden is still going to score points because the way they play all. This is not james harden with russell westbrook. Who can't really shoot the ball over driver a guy who likes to finish at the rim. This is james harden with a guy like kyri that can catch and shoot that can also dance the ball attack that he can play off of. This is james harden with kevin durant. That doesn't need to dance with the ball that can catch term base. Make a move really quickly. He can play off of him or katie can score. I think the skill set of all these three together. Offensively is extremely complementary. It is but it'd be interesting to see if that the continuity could work. I understand that they played it. Okay see together meaning katie and hard and they worked out in the summertime together and they you know they know each other but you know how it goes jay. It was going to work with chris. Paul to a didn't and it was going to work with westbrook again in houston to didn't and now you think abou- james harden coming off the ball kyri coming off the ball and allowing. Jane's it'd be the facilitator even because he can't pass but what about those. I don't know four or five seconds down that now you gotta pass the ball and understand katie. The need to have the balls and he's a shoot a quick trigger. Boom has gone as well as kyrie as a basketball player. In the shooter yourself. I would think that you want the ball a lot. Sooner than the last few seconds on the clock key you should have worked out into. Didn't they were up three one. Two one against the golden state warriors if. Cpi three get hurt. I think they win that series. So that's a little bit of a caveat for me and i know you're going to say they're also not going to have because you know what i'm gonna say don't say you know what i'm gonna say we've been around each other for a pretty long time now. I feel like i would say. Sometimes all i'm saying is that i don't think you're gonna see the same style of offense that james harden was playing in houston where he takes nine thousand dribbles going to see a different offense and i think james harden just because we've seen him only play one way he's not a one trick pony no same harding camp. Play different ways right so now. Yeah you have to acquiesce like sometimes coverings it up. Sometimes james marines it up if kevin sometimes katie brings it up you find ways the play off each other. I actually think it makes the game a lot easier for all of them instead of just saying. Hey we're gonna play the way they played in houston and by the way. Do not sleep on the victor depot aspect of this trade. I don't know the nba like j. or our next guest but it's not gonna get any headlines because the headline deserves to be hard after everything that's happened this offseason in this regular season but the depot moved to me sneaky excellent addition. I dunno speaking of sleep. I know stephen. Acp he got stephen as world. We got first day. We got sportscenter with stephen and he joins us this morning. On the goodyear hotline. The number one opining sports. And it's great to have you here so first think i mean just laid out here your initial thoughts that this blockbuster trade sending james harden to the nets well I oughta businesses that first of all good morning everybody hates secondly i don't really i don't like the way he handled it but i understood exactly what he was doing. Because when you're under contract You clearly have to force your way out in a more cooperative. You appear to be the more lackadaisical they can act in getting you out of where you want to get out of. So i definitely understood way was coming from although i i would have preferred not do that. Having said all of that This is one of the prolific offensive scores. This game has ever seen you. Combine him with kevin durant to me. That's enough for you to be one of the top two teams in the eastern conference. You take that into account and take that to another level. The bottom line is is that i look at a guy like i look at a guy like connery irvine with all the narcissist going on with him. Shaw marks had to do this because you had to have a security blanket for kevin durant. It isn't just about keeping kevin durant once once. He has a player option after next season. It's about competing for championship right now. And not wasting away or year with this. Guy's greatness straight off of an achilles tear eighteen months out of action. He comes back on the court and in this first eight games. So he's averaging twenty nine a game on fifty four percent shooting and shooting three less shot. The game day tyree was shooting. This is what i'm talking about here. The level of greatness that this do has it is disposal so when i look at it from that perspective i certainly think that it was the right thing for sean marks to do not to mention the fact that i happened to notice silly was on the phone and philly was going to try to get him They couldn't let him get to philadelphia because if he got the philadelphia with him. Be doc rivers as coach with steph curry. I'll meet seth curry and and tobias harris still. Dan others philly would have been a favourite to come out of the east brooklyn. And then you really would have screwed over. Kevin durant so brooklyn had no choice. I think they did the right thing. And i did. I think as a result you can look at them as the favorites to come out of the east. Stephen eight The in from l. a. myself. I've seen talent symbol with the lakers. Throughout my life was the last time this type of talent was a symbol on a new york team Never never i mean unless you unless you wanna switch sports and go to the yankees with geeta and a rod. And mario in all of them ain't never had no talent like disassembled on one team in new york city. We can look at clyde You know Know clyde frazier and earl the pearl monroe and we look at all of those guys in the seventies if you want to go that route But but as far as i'm concerned Since i've been watching basketball. I've never seen i. I certainly have never seen it an escort in the city And i'm looking at you know all you know no matter what sport you look at. I ain't seeing this kind offensive firepower now. now. I'm wondering who's gonna play defense. I wonder who's gonna tough in brooklyn up and certainly they could be had by milwaukee by philadelphia. Yeah they could be had. I don't think boston's deep enough. I don't think miami's got talent. And i don't think toronto has the talent anymore either. So it would be about of philadelphia in milwaukee as being the primary threats to knock them off of points win games and when you got that kind of offensive power particularly with the ability for kevin durant close. I don't i to me. It's a it's a trip to the finals or bust. You know you might have an excuse to lose to the lakers. And whatever. But i don't see any excuse. Why brooklyn if they get back together should not come out of the east. There really is no excuse for this essay. The biggest caveat if they get their act together. If you're steve nass how to help you manage all these personalities I don't think i i. I think he's gonna have to help us out of kevin durant And i honestly don't believe james harden and it's going to be a problem. I think games james and gets a bad rap in this respect. You know what yeah. He wants his players. He wanted to widen and then he did and he wanna see v. three and then he did it. He wanted he wanted russell westbrook and then that didn't work out. He dribbles the damn ball to my get all of that but this dude is average at least thirty game the last three years at least twenty nine games last for at least twenty game the last five. This dude is a sensational sensational offensive player. And here's the biggest thing about. If you notice jay he don't you don't believe in load management this dude. Don't take nights off. That's not what he did. We were shocked at the way. He's played over the last five games because we know better and we know what he was trying to do. And we're disappointed that he would go that route particularly thrown his own teammates under the bus. Because that's not who we know him to be. But outside of that you know that kevin james harden is going to come to play and now that he's taking the shrapnel a criticism that's been thrown in his direction. I think he's going to be more motivated than ever before. He knows he's on a legitimate title contender that they're legitimate favorites in some people's eyes because of the talent they assembled and he knows that if he doesn't win here it'll look worse than when he didn't win in houston because he didn't have kevin durant as his teammate. The key is kyrie irving and there's some problems going on. Let's just call it what it is. We don't know what the hell it is and even if we did know we wouldn't say if it was something personal because that's none of damn business but the bottom line is kinda read don't seem all. They're literally figuratively mentally spiritually. He's just an another place other than brooklyn. And i don't know if that's on steve nash to resolve. That's on kevin durant. This kevin durant seen. You know better than anybody. Jay williams that kyrie irving would be brooklyn if it were not the kevin durant. They brought kyrie irving there because kevin durant made it clear. He wanted kyrie irving near with him. That is why kyrie irving is there so now. The onus is on k. D. to handle that situation with kyrie or to support the brooklyn nets if they decide to go in a different direction than kyrie. Kevin durant needs to sign off on that and he needs to also make things happen with or without k with with or without connery. That's what he's gotta do. Stephen a smith. I take host of stephen as world. Catch it on. Espn plus stephen. Let me ask you this though in terms of the brooklyn nets trill is this trio. Better than the splash. Brothers. we katie. Now hell no absolutely talent. I love how it was Kalamazoo in the way that works out with talent wise sheer talent jay. I'm not thinking about. I'm thinking about two things number one. Do you know of a better shooting trio arguably in nba history. Dan klay thompson steph. Curry and kevin durant the answer would be no and we all know that klay plays defense okay and we all know that it's hard who's going to sacrifice klay conscious sacrifice and go to state chris bosh sacrifice the miami ray allen sacrificed in boston. Who's gonna be the third wheel and who's going to accept and embrace that role and make the necessary sacrifices. That's a huge question. I understand you're talking about talent. But i'm just basically getting to the bottom line like for example. Nobody has a better handle car. Urva can shoot and he could score on. Anybody can finish it the basket. I think that steph curry is the greatest shooter in the history of mankind. Agreed klay thompson is one of the top five shooters in nba history. And i think that kevin durant is one of the top five scorers in the history of basketball. I don't think it's blasphemous of sacrilegious to sit up and say his greatest kyri is is great as james harden is is greatest kevin durant is that they are not more talented than steph. Curry klay thompson k. d. together. I don't believe it on the hardest and so it's harder than kyrie. better than a splash. Brothers i will tell you as shooters hell no as gifted players depending upon what system. Here's what i will say. I think james harden essay gets gets the wrong look here right because he's been on a team where he's had to be at a guy with the system he's been provided to drop thirty five forty points every night by automatically assumes. How's it going to work the ball the time he will acquiesce. He can be a pass guard. That can still score in playoff these. I agree i agree. I don't disagree with you at all. I mean i think the absolutely one hundred percent right about james oughta people ignore the fact that he registered assist even when he was playing like garbage. He didn't want to be able to still tennessee's to gain. This do can do what he wants to do. And he showed it credible selfishness in the past remember when he was in okay see he was basically the backup point. Guard urine houston. I've seen many times when he set up other guys to school. I'm not questioning the talent. And the greatness of of james harden. I'm just saying that steph curry and klay thompson. uh such marksman. I think it's the likes of which we've never seen the greatest shooting back court in history and steph. Curry is the greatest shooting back court known to man. There's not a human being that i've ever seen that can shoot better than steph curry standstill. Spot up shots that sock gonna winky the other way. It don't matter thirty feet. Forty feet fifty feet twenty feet. It doesn't matter. This do is the greatest shooter i have ever seen with. My two is who me to hang. Hey let's leave the night before out here real quick. I want i want. I want you to explain to me. Because i'm not clear on this and i'm sure our listeners and your listeners or very clear when you sit kyri should retire or are you talking about tire in terms of taking some time off to think about what he or just retiring gold. This stop playing basketball as a whole. I'm saying the i i'm saying the former i'm saying you don't wanna play. You don't wanna show up to work. You said personal reasons and people don't know what the personal reasons are. Plus people can't get in contact with you. You're gonna sit. I'm saying when you make when when you sign a contract and you make a commitment understand you guys do a morning show and you're getting paid you sign a contract. I got a contract. I got my three show. I got a contract. Yeah it's a but it's also the fact that we're trustworthy. I know you're going to show up to work. You know sure to work. Think about what we're saying here. We convert it. There was a question mark as to whether or not he's going to show up to work. How can anybody excuse that. it's embarrassing. And the fact of the matter is. There's no excuse what. I don't give a damn what's going on in his life. You have to show up to work and if you don't show up to work you have to have the professionalism the decency and courtesy to talk to people and say look. This is what's going on. Here's what's happening. This is why. I'm not showing up. You can't be refusing shot to work not answering. People's phone calls not communicating with them and then on top of it. All be on social media killin. It literally talking to people about things that have nothing to do with basketball. Because that's what's near and dear to your heart while you're under contract received thirty three point four million dollars she i know he's gonna be dot pay and all of that other stuff but you can't do that and then to literally endanger folks because you're seen partying and having a good old time while you're you're your teammates. The coaches staff is out there working. Do you know the management show more. Because they're working. It is so disrespectful. It is so irresponsible. That's why i said y'all y'all wanna play retire. I and then come back when you're ready to play that you ready to play when you don't wanna play do that the next question i mean. How much long can kevin durant kind of back that right. I mean he's kind of you said the other day i say he's he's running the bus over katie back and forth. If you're katie. How much longer can you back if he continues games. Well respect to k. d. We don't know if he's backing it just because he hasn't spoken out against it publicly doesn't mean a d. Has an address privately. One wisconsin read that he hasn't addressed it privately with the brooklyn nets. And i think that's important to point out because k. d. may very well be doing all the right things. I don't understand why he's walking around looking like he got an attitude with everybody the interviews them given one word answers you know. This do is a basketball savant. Himself kevin durant is a highly intelligent individual who knows the game of that was that was full and people are asking him about basketball and he looked like he got an attitude every single damn day. I don't understand it. Maybe they should ask him more personal and probing questions to give the -cation hearing so irritated and maybe he'll be enjoy watching basketball again but covering this league. We've experienced that and seen that on many many occasions. I remember years ago guys real quick when kobe had a problem arrested so kobe had a problem with. You know everybody asking questions about shack about michelle. When she got traded to miami. So i picked up the phone call after. Kobe was with his media session. And i asked him like two or three person questions. He said what the hell is that. What's wrong with you but the hell you ask me this for i said. Would you prefer that. I ask you that instead of basketball. No you wouldn't so what's ask a basketball question when that's what you do. In front of. Millions of people are night. Come on man. It's basketball while when they ask you about shots. What would they ask you about the latest. Well what did they ask you about things that you do. And that's the message that i want to send to kevin durant. He can teach people so much about the game of basketball. I've learnt from talking basketball to k. d. There's nothing wrong with people asking you basketball questions. You don't have to appear so acerbic and truculent and having an attitude and all of this other stuff over damn basketball questions. That's what you do. Nobody's asking you about your personal life or your personal business. They're asking you about the game trying to bring some joy to it not just by shooting and scoring but by talking about the game you portend to love so much that would be my advice to him respectfully and my advice to you would be if you want to see this level of passion on television. You're just basically an hour and forty minutes away. Stephen a. On i take and then dominating the sports world stephen as world really appreciate the passion. We hit k. D. we hit harden we hit irving and we will see if they will be hit the nets first game in this new era saturday against the magic. And they're certainly expecting some magical things from this triumvirate stephen a thank you so much as always. We'll watch for you on tv ten. Am and even as world and before we hit the brake. Wanna mention from adam. Schefter here some. Nfl news jacksonville and urban meyer are an advanced talks to see if they can finalize a deal per league sources. They meet again wednesday. It's really amazing. You would think by this time at least half the nfl head. Coaching openings would be filled. That's normally the way the calendar works. We're still waiting for somebody to say. I'm taking this job and it could be urban to jacksonville for his first foray in the nfl. Real quick. Yeah they met again yesterday in so you think that things are moving pretty fast moving. Pretty fast jackson with the number one overall pick number one site for them was mired. They've got him in their grass keyshawn jails even presented by progressive insurance offering coverage options. As unique as your business. Progressive covers companies of many sizes and specialties. Learn more at progressivecommercial dot com on the way bob stoops. The old oklahoma coach is going to join us. He made his name. He made his name in college football. But he's got a very interesting tied to this week's divisional round of the playoffs. What is it. he'll talk about it next. it's just simple. You get the greatest guy ever to coach college football national championships. That's more than any coach. That has ever done anders happy that we wanted tonight. I don't think anybody really compares to coach bryant. This is key sean. Jay willin zubin. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach. Ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson a while helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. Good morning i'm zubin. Mohanty here with your sportscenter. Update will begin in the nfl where it appears as though the jacksonville jaguars in urban meyer are moving. Closer to striking a deal. It's being called advanced discussions and talks. That's according to our adam schefter and join us at eight forty five. Am eastern for the very latest. Of course you know the deal. Urban never and nfl head coach but massive success at the collegiate level. Another guy had massive success at the collegiate level is going to join us here in one moment speaking of massive wow massive deal in the nba. Four teams four first round picks to houston trade swaps. Victor all the depot. The rockets may not have james harden got plenty to build around of course harden on his way to the brooklyn nets one of his preferred destinations with whoa centrally. Saying the big question now is who's going to acquiesce with those three superstars. Thereupon kyrie's impending return. We think nets next game. Saturday against orlando. See how they do against the magic and one more note from college football bill. O'brien dismissed the head coach of the houston. Texans is back in the college game over the offensive coordinator at alabama replacing steve sarkissian who is now off to texas and once again as i mentioned an old rival texas their head coach is gonna join us here in a second brian. You may remember hook them horns. He's given this hokum warning sign. You may remember that. Of course bill. O'brien was demanded. Rebuild penn state after that tragic scandal their in state college. Pennsylvania and sports is brought to you by goodyear whether you're on the field or on the edge of your seat good once embrace the unexpected every upset touchdown or fourth quarter comeback and. Let it move. Y'all matter what the season throws your way good years here to help drive you forward goodyear more driven. I think if i gave you these stats for anyone. That was a college football coach. And i said he wants school. Record one hundred and nine hundred games at a at a school. That's at some ridiculously talented head coach. Barry switzer and bud wilkinson ten big twelve titles national championship that would mean immediate entry into the college football hall of fame. And that's where bob stoops. The oklahoma legend is going to be later this year and he joins us this morning. On the goodyear hotline. Bob stoops is going to be here in just one moment. I want to ask key because when you think about the climb the thing about we'll talk to bob about winning the national championship coming from florida buildings reputation but i think he may get emotionally. May not when you're the son of a coach and he grew up in youngstown. Ohio and his dad was a legendary high. Kotei may have looked at his dad's in which i could be like dad. Legendary coach in the state of ohio were football means so much and then to go on to do what he did. I can't wait to talk to him here in one minute but that could be really great sort of father son situation when your dad is held in so high esteem and the town of youngstown. And now you are ten times bigger. I'm sure his father loved it in the sport at large it's awesome. Well it's a. It's a family business. The stoops family is coaches. All over the board brothers at kentucky is other brother was his defensive coordinator oklahoma former head coach at the university of arizona in the pac twelve. So this is in their blood. This is what they this is what they do they. They were born to coach in all of them have had different levels of success. I would say bob obviously as the most successful. he's got a lot of. He's got a lot of coaching left in him You know. And i. And i'm sure he knows that and he's probably itching to get back at it because if you think about it. He was coaching the xfl here recently for the dallas team england. Not just odd coincidences. Because he has in his blood coaches coach no matter what they do. I mean they retire. They're still coaching. They're still trying to whether it's going to coach at high school or whatever the case. They're still coach because they can't get enough of nj while we wait for bob stoops. Would he make the other big coaching news of the morning. Adam schefter is going to join us here in about thirteen minutes. Eight forty five. Am eastern that the jags mire are moving closer to getting married. We all saw this one coming. I think it raises the level of intriguing key set at during the break you know. Everybody is automatically slated trevor lawrence as the first pick in the draft. Is that the case now. Considering urban meyer's background coming from ohio state The affiliation that he's had with justin feels seeing justin fields. And i say i told you so. I know what i'm talking about. But it makes it more intriguing now. Now j. check this out fellas. Let's get your opinion on this as we wait why you got that. Look on your face key hall of famer to be now. I was looking at the board. I was looking at our board in our screen is something popped up with todd. Archer was reporting zubin. If you want to all right. I'll do it. Let's see keys reaction to this. Let's see the reaction on his space here. Todd archer is cowboys reporter. And he's talking about the wide net that the eagles of course in the division with the cowboys are casting for their head coaching position. And they're looking at the cowboys. Offensive coordinator kellen moore. He's thirty two years. Old old boise state legend. There has been some level of criticism with how he's handled the offense. But how about that looking at thirty two year old guy never been a head coach coordinator for a few years. Poaching them from inside the division. A college football legend. Do you think of this particular story. I think it's great that he's opportunity. I frown like that. Because i'm like wait a minute man. You know i've coit right jay killing more all of a sudden emerges and we don't even talk about eric enemy no more. It's like that's gone away. So i'm like the league. What are you doing like just nats. Why i had that puzzled. Look on my face. Because i'm looking at our board and i'm looking at the screen and i'm like wait a minute man. You getting ready to tell me y'all looking at this do but the other guy cooled off. I just i. I don't know i just i don't know one thing. I should mention a few weeks ago. It went very innocuous. People didn't talk about it at all but the cowboys were playing a game. And joe buck and troy aikman on the call and obviously aikman the cowboys legend. He actually snuck in during the broadcast. Did not get a lotta run. That he said that boise state went really really hard after kellyn more since he was a boise state quarterback today make sense and he was on the verge of taking the job until the cowboys came in at the last minute and gave him a nice sweetening. Deal to stay so that could be part of home leverage zuma's wells called but it makes sense first of all. I played at boise. He understands the culture of boise. They need a new head coaches. their here. Coach went to auburn. Which was kind of trained to me. Brian hartson yeah. I get it. Yeah course you wanna. That's fair mus alone. Who's in the coaching circuit. So you might as well see if that's available but i'm talking about the eagles taking a look at that it's just weird to me thirty two in the division j. I want you to get your response to this. Yesterday eric be enemy was the subject of. Hey why isn't this guy. Getting more opportunities could possibly get passed over again key just broached him as the chiefs offense coordinator our nfl insider dan graziano said as strange as this may sound. If you meld these two stories together a thirty two year old guy. That's barely been coordinator and it. Was the cowboys backup. Quarterback could be in line for the eagles head coaching job. He had a fifty one year old. Who was made wonders. Out of patrick. Mahomes could be passed over again. Grow says back to back years. Pm he not getting a gig. It is not. It is not out of the question. This is sort of the you know when you when you make these calls and you talk to people associated with this kind of been the the vibe. That's emerged this week. That maybe teams are looking other directions. But i know that would be shocking and upsetting to a lot of people if he didn't get a job this cycle and it's entirely possible of course that he will again not to panic. If you're a fan in an advocate of eric enemy getting a job. But i don't know that it's the shore thing it felt like a couple of weeks ago and to your point a guy that barely has any experience now getting as much run as a guy that's put his entire life into foot pods. Say my league is the trip. That's all i can tell you the. Nfl is an interesting thirty two teams so to speak. I mean just keep just looking at the teams that are currently in the playoffs. Right of the eight teams. Six of them are in the top ten as release to offensive points per game. Six of the eight. If this is what this league is being built around. I know for certain teams. You know we talk about the jets and solid potentially as a candidate wanting to build from the defense perspective for some teams. This is one of the hottest leagues as relates to offense. How can arab vietnamese name all of a sudden if he gets passed over how we using terminology passed over as relates to eric. B me and schemes. He's putting together for probably the most prolific offensive team. We have in the league right now. A lot of times. These things when coaches are passed over for head. Coaching jobs or not hired are or for instance front office guys on higher. I don't know the interview process but a lot of times people think that an individual interview. Well they may have a checkered past of some sort in that starts to come to surface. Oh and then you start to hear these whispers about well. He doesn't interview well. Well you know. He didn't have staff together or they didn't like who he was hiring as a defensive coordinator who we wanted to bring in as his offense. It's a coordinator so you start getting all of those of things. And i'm like i just don't get it because to me when you sit down and you say then interview well okay. You don't interview will big deal. What does the half the to would coaching the damn game. Because he may be nervous. Maybe as nervous issue because he doesn't interview maybe he starts sweating when he's having a conversation doesn't mean he can't coach ball. Does it mean he can't coach. The bottom line is we want somebody who could coach. I don't give a damn about him. Dude interviewing well. How many coaches give bad interviews when we sit down and have talks with them. Or how many coaches go to the podium and have nothing to say because they just can't interview will but they don't understand the question that the media may be asking them. You're going to fire guy because of that or not. Hire guy because of that unless he just goes in with a bad plan. I don't know his plan may be so absurd that it makes no sense. They're like i. But i would think that i would think as low as you've been around this game in preparing yourself for over the last twenty years of coaching to potentially be a head coach. You prepare even if you struck out one time you go back to the whale and you really do it and say okay. You coaches for pair with mock interviews all of those sorts of things. Yeah keep mine. He's fifty one years old. He's been with andy reid since twenty thirteen. And that's a pretty darn good tree. Coaching tree to be there. So he's got the experience he's got the lineage. He's got the right coach pushing him in the right direction but maybe just things won't work out in his direction in back to back years. That doesn't gigantic. Doesn't even make sense when dan said it yesterday face dropping up. Yeah okay. since justice. Rollercoaster ride is has to be just one of those lows or maybe everybody has a lot going on and just kind of think. Hey bergamo pass and eric if he does. I don't know how he doesn't have a head coaching job when it's all said and done let's just leave it at that. Yeah we'll see what happens. Obviously he's got big business out there. He's trying to win. Back to back super bowls and the dow point. It gets pretty hard to ignore but i guess you never know if you just joined us big story urban meyer. Jaguars getting closer and the cowboys. Offensive coordinator kellen moore who they think. Very highly of helped deck out to a really great start earlier in the season is being looked at by the division. Rival eagles cowboys. Eagles rivalry couldn't get more saucy on the way. Schefter broke the news on meyer jacksonville. Getting closer how much. Closer adam is on the way as keyshawn yes. Coach apparently is writing his hall of fame speech. He decided to write his speech. Instead of joining us we'll reach back out those oklahoma guys tell you not a hall of famer at picking up the phone. He does everything else. Right it's green and james harden has been traded to the nets in a blockbuster deal that shakes up the entire power structure of the nba. We'll talk about that and whole lot more with me. Thursday it's screening starting ten. Am eastern on espn radio and espn. Plus this is key. Sean jay williams zubin do own or rent your home sherry new and better can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com at once. That's was way once last thing you want running with elite. Qb's resolute at the canton. Td's across overstep step behind. 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In the latest here is that jacksonville and urban meyer in advanced talks to see if they can finalize a deal. Now that doesn't mean a deal does get finalized with urban meyer. He's been difficult to pin down. But at this point in time they have continued to meet as recently as yesterday again to see if they can get this deal done and push it across the goal line i think. Urban meyer is tremendous opportunity. Jacksonville jaguars had the number one overall pick in the draft. They have eleven picks in the draft. They have over a hundred million in salary cap space and what is expected to be a depressed market for free agents because the salary cap is going to go down. So jacksonville is set up to succeed. And if urban meyer ever going to take the jump this would be the time to do it. But again we want to say it has been difficult to pin him down difficult for him to make up his mind. Finally and it's still not done at the same time. The jaguars have gone through their process. They conducted their services. They've interviewed other candidates and their own. Rashad khan i think is respectful of the process and he wants to make sure these is thorough as possible before they move ahead with urban meyer but make no mistake at this point time. The two sides are seeing. If they could finalize a deal that would make urban meyer the next head coach of the jacksonville. Jaguars adam todd. Archer is reporting. That kellen moore is some would emerging as a potential candidate to beat a head coach for the philadelphia eagles. Why is that. Why are they trying to poach him out of every body which coach their targeting texts coming in. Oh killing more office coordinator dallas cowboys philadelphia. Eagles listen philadelphia is casting a wide net with a lot of different people. And at a time where you can zoom in with a candidate and you could pick the brains of as many people as you want. Why would you not speak to a division rival to get his assessment of what he and they think of your team and personnel. There's no reason not to do that. I would do that if are running team. It doesn't mean that kellen moore is getting the job it means that philadelphia's free talk to whoever wants i would call somebody in dallas. I call somebody in your car because somebody in washington. I want to get as many of these people who are smart as possible on the phone interviewing for my head coaching job. So just because philadelphia. Wants to talk to kelly moore talking to more doesn't mean they kill him. Moore is the guy may maybe he will. Maybe he will impress them so much that he will get the job but philadelphia's doing what it should and it's conducting a thorough search. Eight met yesterday with robert solids talking with arthur smith. It has requested to speak to the patriots linebackers coach drawn mail so there are a lot of people that philadelphia wants to talk. Doesn't mean they're gonna wind up his the head coach of the philadelphia eagles. I'm glad you brought that perspective ally. Because i was scratching my here for a minute there. Adam airbnb has been a hot name for the over the last twenty four months or so as a head coaching candidate but recently here it seems like it has cooled off. Could it be that. He misses out a second time around. I think there's a real possibility that that happens. And i tell you that. In speaking to people across the league they've raised that issue and concern that eropean me might not be in the catbird seat here to land one of these jobs and that would be very disappointing after he's accomplished as much as he has. And the league has put as much emphasis as it has on hiring. Somebody like eric be enemy with the enforced an upgraded rooney rules. And so we'll see how this plays out but it doesn't work crews advantage that his team is still playing but then again i don't wanna use that as an excuse. Because teams have overcome that before and found ways to hire coordinators of playoff contending teams that go deep into the playoffs of the fact of the matter is is that right. Now team seem folks in a lot of other candidates. They've spoken to be enemy but seen him emerged forefront of a search just yet it might be that he needs to houston texas as much as they need him. But we'll see how this plays out. Let's hope that he gets a job but right now i think there's a real question as to whether he will accept the speaking of the texans hasn't been any progress made towards this shawn watson trait. Well there's not going to be right now. Jay and. I think that there's still a lot that has to be settled there. You've got to shawn watson who's clearly unhappy we. We don't know who the head coach is going to be. We don't know when. Nick caserio is gonna take over. We don't know how they're handling that whole situation. Nicotera that job last week literally stepped into a situation where he could not have known that the shawn watson was going to be as angry as he was at the hiring of new general manager. That was not directed at him but the process itself and so nicotera stepped into a huge worn its nest. They're frankly that. I think had to be a big surprise. That does shawn watson story. I think is going to hang over that franchise here for quite some time. It's something will obviously be keeping tabs on. I want to remind all the browns fans. i know. it's been an amazing week week and a half for you. You want another smile on your face on the way home from work on the way to work tomorrow. Download the latest edition of the adam. Schefter podcast the last man to take the browns to the afc championship game. The one the only bernie kosar sits down with adam so browns fans rejoice in joy. This week you've been waiting for it since you came back to the league in nineteen ninety nine adam. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys appreciate have a great day off to you all right last. He got less than a minute here. But the adam said essentially was just. Because you're going deep into the playoffs shouldn't preclude you from having one of these opportunities other teams have done it. This isn't something that is hard to figure out. No other teams have done. I can remember todd. Haley leaving arizona to go to kansas city. They made a run to the super bowl. Even i can remember others as well doing that. Think about when new england made their strong run and charlie weis in romeo cornell both left after the super bowl yup. I don't know who knows right. Who knows houston would be a great fit although how does he feel coming after he wasn't interview. But there's only thirty two jobs so you know if you want one bad enough you take it. Presented by progressive insurance urban hardened talk next.

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"We are back on. Get up and first and foremost a very happy thanksgiving from our family to yours as we welcome you to another hour as always we are live from above the anikin river deck at pier. Seventeen in new york city. We have tons of football to get there are two games will be played on this thanksgiving day. And we have these gentlemen to talk about them and more. Dominique is here. damien. Woody is here. Bart scott is here but we begin this hour for those of you just joining us with very significant breaking news about the game. That will not be played today. The ravens and steelers were scheduled to play tonight. That game has been postponed to sunday. And i suppose now adam schefter we have to say sunday feels in jeopardy for those who are just joining shefty at the top of the hour. Let's go over all that we have learned today from baltimore. There were four more or not for more tests. They were more positive tests in baltimore greeny. It's the fourth straight day that there have been positive tests in baltimore. Ravens struggled to contain the outbreak with the number of players growing. By the day there have been seven players that had tested positive. This would be the eighth player at the very least there've been staffers. That have tested positive and last night the team announced that it was disappointing. Person on its staff who believes contributed to the spread of this virus continues to grow so now we've seen the game moved from tonight a primetime slot against the steelers to sunday. Afternoon one fifteen whether that ganga's played right now is anybody's guess. But it's fair to say that it is tentatively scheduled for sunday at one fifteen because the league pushed back that game and it said all along that the game tonight the status remained unchanged and the status always remains unchanged until it is change and they had to change and who knows they may have to change the status of sunday's game at one fifteen more positive tests in baltimore for a fourth straight day grigny now. That is the big headline here. We should point out a few logistical issues. Again the game has been moved to sunday the ravens also as of now have a game scheduled. next day. they're supposed to play the dallas cowboys next thursday in a game where neither team would have an advantage in rest because both of them were supposed to play on this thanksgiving so shefty. That's another factor. That goes into this as far as figuring out when the ravens. They couldn't delay this a day. I guess is what i'm saying. They couldn't push this back to monday. You wouldn't think since they're supposed to play thursday. No that is absolutely correct again and when the nfl set schedule you would think that there would be no issues with the dallas cowboys horror and a fight for the playoffs. Playing the baltimore ravens. Who were in the fight for the play offs. Being that both played on thanksgiving day but only one of them is now playing on thanksgiving day and so already. It affects the balanced next week and how that plays out but again green. This is twenty twenty. This is the way it works. Not everything is going to be perfect. Not everything's gonna be right. Not everything is going to be fair. The goal is to just try to get through this schedule and so at this point in time the question is can they play the game on sunday. Oh with the ravens. And the steelers. I think right now. It's fair to wonder whether they'll be able to do that. If it continues to spurn in baltimore they won't. They will not be able to play that game if they can get under control from this point on. Yes the game. Go on whether that's going to happen. Nobody knows right now. We're allie. I want to stay here a minute. Because i think we should get into within. What would happen in the oven. Shefty were in a different place on the calendar and the schedule now than we were week three week. Four when we saw these things happy new england. We saw them happen with tennessee. Where now to place where teams don't have by weeks. Don't really have any wiggle room. So in the event that can't play sunday and by all means if whatever it is you're looking at on your phone is significant. Just tell us. But if they can't play sunday then what happens. Then all of a sudden we have a game that hasn't been played between two playoff contenders. What are the contingencies. Well green. it's interesting. You're asking me this right now. Right the the news is coming in. We've never been in a season with the pandemic pandemic will get into week. Eleven or twelve and this is happening. We've never been at a point thanksgiving with moving the game. So you're asking for answers that frankly just not available right now. We can wonder and speculate. And i think it's fair to wonder. I think my first thought would be that. They're going to be games this year. In cases like this where there's a chance they just won't be played period that they will not be made up now again. The league is introduced other ideas and thoughts. It could always add on a week. Eighteen and push back the super bowl a could wind up forfeiting a game. We haven't seen a team do that yet. There are any number of scenarios. The league is talked about adding an eighth playoff team in each conference. Where basically the topsy would lose the buy in the first week and each team would go on how it shakes out. Nobody can say right now because we've never been in a situation like this to know how it's gonna work. I guess my thought is. We've seen that the league which has done a great job handling this by and large is determined to push forward and play these games so if you lose a game off the calendar maybe the playoffs or based on win percentage. Maybe they add on that. Eight eighth playoff team again. It's unfolding in real time. There's no basis no precedent for which we can base this upon. We're trying to figure it out as we go along as the nfl absolutely and just throwing one other thing into the mix and let me bring the rest of the crew in here for reaction again. I've dominique and i've got bart scott and i've got d- would with us here. The steelers are an unbeaten team. And i would just throw that into the conversation. The idea of a team with the opportunity to go sixteen in which only one team has ever done before and no team has ever gone one thousand nine hundred and now. They're staring at the possibility again. We should underline the word possibility that they will only wind up playing fifteen games dominique. You're listening to all of this. The floor is yours. What are your thoughts. Well if they go fifteen in oh and then and then sweep the playoffs. They will have outdone the seventy two dolphins who only played a fourteen game regular season so if that matters then to them then they aren't hurt that and that way at all but i do think in the grand scheme of things. This feels like something that the steelers should be annoyed by an upset by but this might work to their advantage. There's nothing more valuable and football season then a bi week. That's why it's important to get that. Buy at the right time this season and to get that playoff by they right now on the verge of getting a bye week and they may be one of the only teams who have real super bowl type. Aspirations that are going to get a violating the season one game often. This game is always a very physical game. One game the rest one less game of bumps and bruises one less game of injuries. It could serve to benefit the steelers in the long run. I'm not so sure that they should be up all upset about how it's worked out so far. That's fair scott again as you listened to all of this including the most recent developments more positive tests in baltimore today part. What are your thoughts or as well. I believe that this can be any team in. Doesn't mean that. The raiders were negligent in in their protocols and there procedures become from From we all have children it can be introducing if it is a strength coach or something of that sort then. They have contact with everybody but i think it brings up a bigger point. The reason awad. Nfl decided to go with as scheduled is because they had opportunity to be able to push things back. And i think the most reasonable thing to do is add eighteen week and allow you to have makeup gangs. Because you don't wanna fair unfair advantage when you talk about for you. Play offs also brings up a bigger point that when you go to the playoffs system that we need to have bubble cities where we can quarantine these guys. Make sure that we don't have hiccups in schedule. That's an interesting way of looking at it as well. The week eighteen. We talked about this on my radio. Show yesterday shefty. Let me just come back to you. There dan graziano suggesting the it would seem unrealistic to think they would add a week eighteen if they were one game that needed to be made up if they if they had playoff implications on multiple games than. Maybe you had a week eighteen and again. We're so far ahead of ourselves at this point but that seems unlikely that they would add a week just to make up one game. The league has not embraced the idea of adding a week eighteen. And it's why the idea of the eighth playoff team without a buy for the top seed has been introduced and has been discussed and has been something that the league's advocated for at this point in time and so it's a situation where i don't know that it's going to get to that. I think we're looking at other scenarios before that one happens but again you're seeing across the league just now moments ago greenie. The atlanta falcons reported to positive cova tests this morning and they shut down their facility. And they'll be working virtually and so again. This just goes to show you that. We're at the point in the year. Where football is a lot like. Society cases are spiking across the country. And they're spiking the nfl to the baltimore ravens. Fourth straight day. The atlanta falcons just announced to positive tests their facilities close for the day. And this is going to keep going on. This is not going to stop. This is going to be an everyday occurrence and this is going to be a tremendous challenge for the nfl to continue to go forward to get. These games played damian. What are your thoughts. Well listen i. I want to repeat what i said earlier in the first hour that this this is unlike any other. We're living in one hundred year pandemic so you have to. Have you know flexibility if you're the national football league but with that being said most players don't like playing on thursday. The fact that a game got moved to sunday that will obviously was a was an advantage for teams but i think that dominant hit it on the head. The fact that this late in the season you could possibly have a built in bar. We remember football's a battle attrition. You know part of the when you play you know when you play for a championship and championship. love teams. Part of it is avoid injury and being healthy at the end. well guess. What if you're the pittsburgh steelers right now and you're not able to play this game against baltimore ravens that works to your advantage in your quest to try to win the super bowl this year. I said let me recap again for those of you who are just joining us. Adam schefter reporting there were for the fourth consecutive day positive tests coming from the baltimore ravens which suggests that their game that was originally scheduled for tonight against pittsburgh now scheduled for sunday. I think use the right word. Shefty now tentatively scheduled for sunday. We'll see how that is impacted and an important note. The ravens are then supposed to turn around and play again next thursday against the cowboys. So a lot of things are in flux. The good news is we have shefty with us for the rest of the hour. We will have the very latest as we continue also coming up. It is the marquee match up the weekend. Brady vs mahomes. Why one of our crews says patrick. The great won't get anywhere near the goat. That's on the way it is by far the worst division in football which team in the nfc east will turn things around. I and become a true contender will answer that question and more on this thanksgiving edition of get up on. Espn get up on this thanksgiving day. Let's remember one of the most famous thanksgiving games. Ever nineteen seventy four roger. Staubach leaves a game for the cowboys due to injury. Clint longley replaces him with the cowboys. Down sixteen three in the third quarter he hits billie joe depre- for a thirty five yard touchdown at sixteen ten. Then with twenty eight seconds left in the cowboys down. Twenty three seventeen. He hit drew pearson. On a fifty yard touchdown. Cowboys would win it. Twenty four twenty three longley would become a folk hero in dallas. One of the really memorable games in thanksgiving history so it will be the cowboys in washington again today and if you look at the division someone has to win it. According to our metrics washington and dallas still have that chance. Philadelphia is the favourite with forty five percent. Chance to take it all. And frankly if you watch all these teams play you might say the are playing better than anyone else in the division right now. So here's the question. I want to ask because we get set for today's games. Let's not talk about this season where we know someone will win the division. Let's talk about which of these teams dominique as you look at the way they're constructed which one gets really good i which of those four teams is the first and become a to content. Well i mean. I'd love to say joe judge in The giants because i love joe judge. He makes me laugh. It feels like he thinks he's a football movie. It doesn't seem like they have the roster necessarily to to build off of that and they do have probably the most promising quarterback into division right now. Considering that dak is injured in deck is the best. But maybe daniel jones the most promising. But i'm gonna go with washington. I think washington has there is some young talent on defense and in defense deep blind that you can build around. That's what i'm looking for is looking for something that you can build around and i'm not sure that any of the teams maybe the cowboys have some talent that you can build around. The cowboys are perpetually underachieving. And nothing to suggest that they're going to change that. So i'm going to go with the washington in part because that'd be line and in part because who knows i live here so might as well pick on. Seems as good a reason as any what do you think would. Who's the next team of duct. That's a legendary division heritage franchises. Which is the next one that is really the goods were dominika eluded to. I'm going to go with the new york football giants and when you look at the job that joe judge's done he's coaching this team and they don't they don't have the personnel right now but you look at them on defense. They're playing really well on defense. Heck they got one of the best defense in the national football league. Daniel jones seems like he's starting to start to play. Take take better care of the football. I think the key for them is just continuing to to add to that personnel and bringing up their talents basin. Getting saquon barkley back. That will be huge for the new york football giants. I liked the direction. They're going to use your analogy joe. Judge would be in that rarest of rarities. He's coaching and a good football movie. Which are very few doing. Well shefty again. There is no more exciting television than sheffi checking his phone. So if you have anything of significance there by all means shared otherwise you hear the conversation looking at team salary caps and all that which one do you think the next one to climb up near the top of the mountain. Well i'll look at this division right now being. I say that the winner this year. We'll have the worst record of any division winner in nfl. History in the previous worst was seventy nine when the seahawks won it with matthew back as their quarterback we are looking at this year. I think six wins will wind up winning this division which of these teams is going to rise from the ashes. They've all been at alternate times awful and nobody's been consistent. it is difficult to predict. I can make a case for each one of them as to why they would win. It and i can make a case as teach one while they wouldn't way i. I don't know how this can a shakeout. I just know that we never seen a division. Like this. And i think six wins gets it done in the end. You know what. I will have to leave the conversation with this dominique. It has to be said that the philadelphia eagles are in the best position to win the division for one reason and one reason only and that is because tie is better than a loss. And i don't care thank kills me and i don't care for x. Ryan yells at me. Tom conversation i. i'm right. Knee have time to have this conversation. Because i understand your point. I don't completely disagree with you. However maybe the reason why they only have three wins is because of culture and tone that they set by not trying to win in that moment has set them back. I'd much rather lose that game and feel like we are a team that is shooting for the stars trying to win then kind of get a tie and maybe back my way in the playoffs to get my head bus for week in the play to me. That's the argument against it. I don't completely think you're wrong. But the argument that they were making is that it is bad. Culturally to set that tone culturally. You can't argue that. The culture of any team including the eagles right now. Is that of a winning organization and that might have contributed to it okay. Sure i'm sure that was the reason that carson wentz floated that pick six at the very beginning of the game the other day as we continue. Besides thing that turkey today damien woody planning to roast one. Nfl head coach. You will find out which one and why coming up in just a moment and then. It wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement of his struggling quarterback. Why did doug peterson. Hesitate when asked about carson wentz. You'll hear it it's got out on. Espn all morning. we're asking our analysts to name. Their favorite thanksgiving moment bart scott. What was yours say. What thanksgiving it's been the worst day of my life. Since i was kid with me being a line san watching bill to watch very based their proper way but they cast off with this fumble. Make me the blood of all adults at the end of the guess. What green when i went home. We had ro- rose the time your attitude to the football guys have to suck all this misery and pain one thanksgiving listen. I have a lot of thoughts anyway as we continue tampa. Tom has six of them. Could patrick mahomes end up getting more. We'll answered that question and more as we get with you on. Espn we are back on. Get up and breaking news this morning. If you're just joining us here at the bottom of the hour adam schefter with the very latest from baltimore shefty for those just joining us. What do we know. There is another positive test of a player in baltimore there other positive tests on the staff as well greenie so it is multiple positive tests. It looks like right now one. Maybe two staffers. Whatever the number is it is still the fourth straight day that the ravens organization has had positive tests within the organization and the game. That was supposed to be played. Tonight against pittsburgh has been moved back to sunday at one fifteen. And i think right. Now it's fair to wonder whether that game will wind up being played if the testing in baltimore continues the way. It has as you've pointed out next week. The ravens are scheduled to play thursday against the dallas cowboys. Two teams that initially were scheduled to play on thanksgiving day. The nfl is losing wiggle room in the schedule as to what it can do this late in the season again. We're going to get ahead of ourselves. Because that's what we're trying to do here on a morning where the news and information is fluid and the situation is unfolding rapidly. But maybe they have to move the ravens cowboys game next thursday to sunday and they could play the pittsburgh baltimore game monday tuesday again going through all the variables in your mind all the hypotheticals there any number of them out there but they're all introduced because of the continued positive testing. That's unfolding in baltimore again for the fourth straight day positive tests within the ravens organization. The team through no fault of its own perhaps struggling to control the outbreak in the virus. And right now. The ramifications are being felt across league to another example of funding. I've been saying since march in a pandemic there were always a lot more questions than there are answers but shefty with the very latest. And we'll certainly keep you posted if there's any further news. Let's talk about a game that we hope ruby played this weekend and that is another matchup between tom. Brady and patrick mahomes. They've met three times. The games great twenty eighteen brady and bill snuck out a forty three forty win over mahomes and the chiefs to combined for over six hundred ninety passing yards. A homes threw four touchdowns and two interceptions in that game. Then three months later they met in a legendary afc championship game and time thriller and tom brady found a way to win at the end. Then in two thousand nineteen mahomes got his first win over brady and ended new england's twenty one game home win streak along the way yesterday. Mahomes was asked if he's rising to brady's level as the face of the nfl his level. Yet i mean he he someone. That's a global global star. And so for me. I just i just wanna be myself I just go out there every single day and and put it into work and try to win football games and all that other stuff kind of comes with it and then for me. I just tried to be a normal guy and live it up with my teammates and have fun doing it all right so this we've talked a lot about the way coaches have handled questions. Dominique what did you think of the way. Patrick mahomes handled that question. Patrick mahomes hand to that question. As well as he handles blitz defenses. He handled it. Well he could teach some of those coaches finger to. He lied through his teeth. He thinks he's better than than tom brady. He knows he's better than tom brady. And he believes that he's going to win more super bowls than tom brady. I may not believe that. But i guarantee you impacts mahomes heart of hearts. He really believes that but he knows. There's nothing to be gained by saying that take notes. Doug peterson take notes matt. Nagy patrick mahomes knows how to speak to the media. Hearts got what do you think. I'm the idea of six super bowls. It's to more than anyone else any chance. Well my mom used to always told me shoot for the stars land on the moon and know mahomes can shoot for the stars. But he's he's gonna have to land on the moment. We'll never see what we saw with. The tom brady bill belichick era and never be quarterback. Never another player to come in and win six chapman. You'd think about charles hale you think about Bradshaw you think about joe. My talent is not just that he was good. It's the the rates and how long he's been good also how humble. He was willing to take less money than anybody now. Maybe because he has a supermodel wife that has more money than You know some small countries but the ability allows them all go out and get dar's mahomes took too much cheese taco already. A half abilities make you lose some your teammates so look to have looked here right. What team do you wanna say goodbye. That's an interesting way to look at was sixty two years old. You'll never have a twenty year. Run so he can be on the side of mahomes interesting. What do you think shaft eight. Patrick mahomes you can win a lot of super bowls. I don't know what it'll be six. There's so much that s to go right you to play for such a long period of time yet to be healthy. But he's great he handles. The situation is great. He's a great market to be able to do it with great teammates. Great coachee. everything's great this morning greenie. Yeah here's the point. He may have none of us knows. How many super bowl is going to win. But the question was about being ready to replace. Tom brady as the face of the league. He is very much ready for that okay. Every week we bring you a different would based pun. So let's do it. It would every single week. We seem to change the name of your segment. This is not taking him to the woodshed firewood. You'll sold this week. It is the woodpile chopped wood. Excuse me our would. It is woodstock feature this week. The neck of the words but lights shine brightest of horse in holly would perfect distillation of how stupid and i love it. You're gonna love it so damien woody is whether today's the pun is wood-fired turkey. So on this thanksgiving damian what he is going to call some late turkey would. Who are you calling turkey today. All greedy on this day of thanksgiving man. I'm just thankful for the fact that we got matt patricia. Out then the patriots way out to the detroit lions green and has he looked like turkey doing it in the detroit. Lions with jump called that not seventy black. Everyone talked about the patriot. Way coming into detroit and doing this and doing that. And taking that organization to the next level for more has they crashed and burned out there indeed in with the lions right now. They went out that greeny. They went out there against the carolina. Panthers we talking about the eighty five bears on defense okay and they went out. They and got stung. Zero zero points with matthew stafford as your quarterback. How indy hail do you single point okay in the national football league with matthew stafford as your quarterback greenie. I'm just leave him alone okay. i'm that's all. I wanna do right. Now it's thanksgiving day. I want everybody to enjoy turkey and the food and all of that so we got must be thankful for. But i'm thankful matt patricia. I really wouldn't segments very well played. Now you might notice that d- would is sort of moving around. He's actually in his kitchen. Because are going to start a new tradition on this program. So let's flash back to a year ago on thanksgiving and the fun that d- would had picking his favourite thanksgiving dishes little boozy. Would they come to tomorrow. It is represented the clinton. Can you imagine all the turkey. And the and then you've got four putting popping often you'll take good right now what. I don't like it then. Breakfast in bringing up wife Let me tell you something right now. By collard greens. If they weren't clean and coupon i'm not eating candy with the marshmallows on top of it so that was a year ago. So today we have asked damien woody to take us into his kitchen because we can fathom what the preparation on the thanksgiving day. Feast must be like in your house. How many how many children do you have again. So how many mouths that we feeding on this thanksgiving so green was small village. I've seven children and seven children. There's a lot of miles of feed and a lot of food. That has cook now with that. Being said greenie not everything is prepare but the lovely wife has done a very good job of dishes. So let me flip this around for y'all look at this look at this right here. Okay we got. We got the sweet potato pa. Not the pumpkin pie was talking about yesterday. But we got the sweet potato pie. O the banana pudding okay. Look at de putting right there. Slap again putting. You won't be running to the bathroom about ten fifteen minutes. I'm right now. Look at that really sitting pretty why. Oh yes okay. We got the. Pk empower right there. Everyone loves a nice p. kampala. Look look at mac and cheese. Look green looking at magazines. I guarantee you if. I put a mac and cheese. The cheese compete falling up a quick right there. Yes sir so listen. That's just a taste of what's going on in the woody household but you best believe man. We won't add that we don't have it all going down today that's wonderful. I think that is wonderful to say. I hope everyone is preparing shefty. You strike me as like me on thanksgiving. I'm a bringer. i'm bringing something coming. I'm bringing like i got the cake. The little cake in the little paper box with the little string on it. I'm a bringer. Are you a bringer absolutely. I'm not a cooker. Greenie them definitely not. We're doing get up and chasing kovic stories. We're not cooking happy things you can do what he household to yours. We'll take a short break on. That thought back with more football in just a moment coming up. Doug peterson doesn't exactly sound convinced about who is quarterback. Should be on monday night. Is anyone here convinced. We'll answer that question more as we continue. You're watching get up on espn. It's your apartment. Speaking and i need some favors when you're singing in the shower try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really. You're a soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters car insurance with geico. It's easy to do online and we could save money. And then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud. But skip the murder parts because i get scared for bundling made easy go to geico dot com today. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your homie so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired. Another easy thing. Save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with geico on moore thing. I know you love lavender. Scented candles but could be try to vanilla. I think it would fit my better. Go for bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com. Today we are back on get up and a reminder tomorrow a great day of college football. Abc at noon texas in iowa state following that is a monster game to notre dame in north carolina and then primetime on espn. We got oregon oregon state. All three of these games have significant ramifications and all three are also available on the espn app. And with that on this thanksgiving i welcome you back to our studio here for. Get up greenie with you. Work with the commercial free for the next fifteen minutes here on. Espn and then. I take follows us at the top of the hour as always ten am eastern time. And they've got good stuff. Is it time to admit the cowboys are the best team in the nfc east. Stephen will answer that question. With max and molly companies. They get going and fifteen minutes again. We are waiting commercial free and told them meanwhile chaffee we've asked today to name their favorite thanksgiving memories. What's yours while back to two thousand one green. I'm a newspaper reporter in denver. And i always watch texas stadium and the cowboys on thanksgiving day day. Growing up. got to go to texas stadium to be there to watch brian greasy and ryan leaf square off in a memorable thanksgiving day. In which. Jason elam the broncos kicker i think four or five field goals ryan leaf plato. Okay for the cowboys. Brian greasy played. Well for the broncos but it was a thrill to be in that stadium to be a part of the thanksgiving day festivities that we all watch each and every year. I'm with you. i'm with you. The first thanksgiving day game i recovered was in detroit. I'll never forget that either. Meanwhile let's talk about a different situation. Let's talk about the eagles. We'll be watching with great interest. Alice in washington today there atop the nfc east philly is but there's all this conversation about benching they're struggling quarterback carson wentz. Listen to coach. Doug peterson talking about this kind of decisions. Have to be made in this in this business. Whether it's a tough decision to move on from player in the off season or you know to the decision now to whether you're gonna make the move at quarterback or not. You're not making right down to a different quarterback not today on wednesday. No okay possibly per for monday focused right now. I'm getting better today. i mean i i. I don't know. I mean. I would say no no no cartoons your star for monday. Yes so that was really stunning. And we talked about this earlier. But d- would you weren't a part of that conversation and i wanna give you credit because before this season began. I asked you on this show for a bold prediction and you said that you believed then jalen hurts would start some games for the eagles. Do you think that's the move. They should make it green as working towards that way. You hear the coach. You hear coach. Doug peterson waffling right now. Between you know whether he wants to stay with the starting quarterback in his quarterback is now playing. Well here's the only thing i will say okay. I think this would be more finicky. If jalen hurts was probably only in practice. Maybe that's why the doug peterson is not going to say. Hey jalen hurts. Because maybe he's not showing it in practice because you can't put a guy in there if other players don't believe that this guy gives us the best chance to win football games but clearly something's going to have to happen with carson wentz if he continues to play this this football i had sal paolantonio my radio show yesterday nick and he said that maybe it would be in winces best interest to sit him just for a game or two and let him get a different perspective and let it start over and sal reminded us all that in philly. They did that once with donovan. Mcnabb benched him for a week. He came back and played very well. After does that make sense to unique. It makes sense. I said earlier than sal on your tv show. Tell style start. Take taking stop stealing my take sal. Come up with your own material but Listening to doug peterson's response to that stuff time and time again something new pops up. He's not today on wednesday. Why would you say that daddy said no three times and say yes with a smirk like it. Just doesn't have. And it's in his quarterbacks and to the point that david was making about hurt maybe not showing the practice. The one thing that damian knows and we all know is backup quarterback. Don't get reps in practice. He's running the scout team in practice throwing interceptions on purpose and things like that so they don't really know how he's developed this point unless they give him a full week of preparation to allow him to play the games. I think that it's obvious. That would adam said earlier. He's contemplating contemplating it because he would have made those comments if he if he was doug peterson that is about vince. And carson wentz shefty that you mentioned that earlier. That's your sense that he sounds like a man giving some serious thought to that well. That's just how he sounds whether he's actually doing it or not. I don't know but he certainly sounds like he's lacking conviction whether he knows you wants to start them again. We've sat through and listened to enough press conferences over the years and usually when you're asking a coach a question about his quarterback. Are you thinking you no. it's decisive. it's flat out. No and there was not decisiveness. There he left the door open in the way that he said that that that's how it sounded to everybody. I think i completely agree okay. So that's something we'll worry about next monday. Let's deal with the two games that we do get to enjoy today. It begins with the texans and the lions kicking off. Now a double header. Matthew stafford needs just one more passing touchdown to match tony. Romo's record eighteen touchdown passes on thanksgiving day. So that's the early game today. How about washington dallas to go along with your second helping today. The cowboys eight nine one. All time against washington on thanksgiving the winner of this game will be in first place in the nfc east albeit with four wins. But they will be so. Let's take a close look at these games and go on the clock with the most important players in each for each of the teams bar. I'm going start with you thirty seconds. Who is the most important player for the texans today. Go to shine. Watch but without the lack of randall cobb. Think about kenny stills. Been out. I think it goes directly the well full of cuts his ability to stretch the football phil. He's averaging almost fourteen yards checks and when he plays shawn watson that team that offense moved very very well understand that the dead texans defense is struggling and also the lions are one of the bottom of the league as far. Dark burke For you know. They should be exploited off secondary of the line and once again ruin my Brunch as detroit that you are so willful or is a good dominique on the other side. How about the lions. Who's their most important player. Thirty seconds. go yeah. I hate to always be like reductionist down to the quarterback. But it's the quarterback in this situation is matt stafford because his best playmakers are not going to be in the game gal not playing and when dole does not want any swiss coming off of a concussion and likely will not play either so matthew stafford is going to have to find a way to score more points than they did last week because if they do that they can't win the best they can have as a zero zero tie if they come up with that nonsense again so they need to find a way to some points and that's all going to fall on matthew stafford considering the injuries that they have all right. So that's our early game today now. Let's turn our attention to the afternoon. Game d would dallas in washington and your opinion. Who is the most important player on the field for the cowboys in thirty seconds. Go green. i'm gonna go with andy dalton arguably the best backup quarterback in the league and now he's in a starting role but you know when you look at the dallas cowboys street their team. I obviously is skill position that they have particularly on the outside so ended. Don't he's going to be going against. A a burglar pass rushing in washington football team but his if he can distribute the ball the ball into these playmakers hands. These guys can can definitely make some make some plays particularly after the catch. Okay and i will take the washington football team today and you just mentioned is i give myself thirty seconds here. You just mentioned the most important player on the field for the cowboys are their offensive skill position players for washington. It's all those guys and that d. line and so i will go with chase young. Who has been as advertised for this team. Big hits all kinds of quarterback pressure. And i think that's a big difference. Here's the stat. The cowboys are twenty. Four and five in games in which zeke elliott russia's for one hundred yards. I believe that chase young and that defense. Today will down zeke first and foremost and then they will turn chase young loose late in that game all over. Andy dalton i think washington has an excellent chance to win that game. If chase young is the best player on the field with that thought in mind. I know what you're asking you're thinking greenie who are your picks to win this game today. Well i've got good news for you right now. In three two and one dachshund lions if trip to feign can gain before the turkey that might be a blessing. What a terrible game. At least we get to sean. Whose talent is being wasted by terrible organization. He'll find a way to win. The texans twenty-seven sixteen washington dallas four. Dare i say it first is yes and i'm writing the cowboys. Look like a different team. Sunday and are the better team today. They're going to win the division. It starts here thirty seventeen. Those are my pets. Let's see what these guys think. But chaffee i'm gonna start with you on the early game. Texans lions give me the injury notes. Because i know there's significant. Well the big one this morning. Green is the andrea swift. The lions running back who's listed as questionable due to a concussion is unlikely to play and that would mean that detroit would lose a major weapon in its offense. It would mean that it would have to rely on. Adrian peterson and kerryon johnson. But it looks like swift is not going to be able to go today. Greenie quick word of warning one of us. And that's me Picked up adrian. Peterson thinking this was a brilliant move last week For on fantasy for exactly that reason and they scored a combined total of zero point so it didn't work out so well for me. Let's make our picks dominique. We got detroit. Houston who do you like houston. I think Issues with their offense scored zero points last week and missing out on some weapons this week. It's not going to be much prettier. I think the way does shawn. Watson is playing is probably one of the best quarterbacks in the league right now it's going unnoticed because they're not winning many games but i think they get a big win in prime time d. Would what do you think or not. Primetime i'm going to houston texas as well to me. It's all about the shawn. Watson shawn watson over the past month has been playing. Mvp type level and again we don't. We don't see a lot of people don't really know because the houston texas and abysmal. Record but shawn watson is playing absolutely out of his mind right now. He is twenty touchdowns five interceptions on the season mark. This is your hometown team. The lions we got love all the football. Act all the reasons why they think somebody's gonna win and lose but listen. I have a lot of scar tissue Damn online same result horrible. You can mark this down for this year next year to year after that a lot of patriot green texas. I hear it are the folks in detroit. i think. Feel you all right. Let's go to the other game today. Washington and the cowboys and again. Shefty i start with you. What are the significant injury notes that we have an eye on heading into this game in the washington dallas game. There aren't too many. I think the cowboys and we playing with heavy hearts here. This is a to me. The main central storyline of the afternoon game the dallas strength and conditioning coach. Markus poll tragically lost his life yesterday. Evening it's amazing football team. That knows him loved him. Respected him now asked to play a game with heavy hearts while thinking of their strength and conditioning coach. That cannot be an easy thing to do later today. For the dallas cowboys. Absolutely and we did talk about that earlier today. In d. would had some very nice remembrances of marcus paul whom he worked with. Meanwhile the game is being played so let us pick the winners here and again dominika will start with you washington and dallas this afternoon. Who do you like. i like dallas. But if i'm not mistaken it felt like earlier before your pick segment is sounded like you were saying that chase young was going to win and then you pick segment happen and then you pick the cowboys. Are you You covered all your bases. No no no. What i said was if chase one is the best point around the field. Washington wins the game today. That's they act. I was assigned. Washington is basically what happens so i picked to their most important player and just one play is on their defensive line Who is next what we got today. But we'll the best thing to get in a lifetime is the second chance. Not what out smith has. He's on a play inspired and they're gonna rally around him. And i think that a better football team i think the wash is going to pull it out slightly. The is i mean dallas is gonna come on his fire. Bart scott washington d. Would who do you got. I'm willing to dallas cowboys. But i'm gonna go back to dominique. Say greenie little bit flip flop and man debt greenberg dirty. John t the meeting yesterday. I said if we don't have anyone to pick a fourth. I'll take washington and so i took washington. I believe if chase young is the best player on the field. They win the game. he won't be. let's finish with something genuinely fun instead of roasting me. Let's finish with this schefter. You're gonna chiefs daley yesterday. Tweeted your i. Follow has to race you with football pads on to which the fastest man in the nfl tyreek. Hill tweeted at adam schefter. Yes sir to which shefty responded. This is happening post covy so who is in for this shifting versus tyreek hill in a foot race. Shefty looking forward to this. I think i think he'll have to go backwards. I'll have to go forward and to ninety one hundred zero dash to give me a chance to the only thing i've had is typing greenie. I can't run very fast. But i can type very so tyreek hill competition. I got him otherwise. He's going to embarrass me. Show me up a post covert. I'm happy to do anything like this as long as we're post covy. I'm picturing dominique sort of like when decay metcalf ran down baker. Like how much of a head start line. One hundred yard dash. Would you need to put shefty dominique for you. Bet on him. hundred yard. That's maybe at the ninety nine done. But i'm with you got to challenge to home. Broke the get you on the home row. That's that's your only chance of winning the race against him dow damian what you what do you think shefty versus tyreek man. I'm worried about hamstrings man. I don't want that man on injury reserve company man take hand ferns bart scott. Good luck to your lions. Listen everybody a safe healthy happy thanksgiving. Thank you all for being with us all through this year. Have a wonderful day. I take starts now.

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"What's going on? I take Sam chicks. Weekdays, ten AM eastern on ESPN ahead on today showed the warriors, beat the blazers again without K D. But can they get the chip without him? Blush Deontay wilder be punished for his talk of killing his opponent in the ring, and while the raptors even the series tonight against the bucks. Let's get started. What's going on? Everybody. Welcome at the first take on this feel Good Friday. I feel good. Molly Kerr max Kellerman out here in NYC Stephen a Smith on the road, you boy, how villain. I'm getting there. I remember walking for the night's game. I'm getting my, my voice is a little slightly better. But I'm working on it, but I feel good. Good morning. Steve naismith. Molly, I was just shocked moments ago on get up. Stephen a Smith's comment was I concur with max Kellerman. Oh, I was shocked. I mean one subject out of one subject out of a million look a debt clock is right twice a day. He's just like our audience, usually sitting there watching, I concur with Mexico. Can we get started plays? The warriors take a commanding two only the defending champs defend home court with how K D but this was much closer than game one Portland losing by just three points max. What's the biggest reason for the blazers loss? I hate to say this. Damian Lillard with the game on the line. We've seen him shoot and hit with the game on the line from one million miles away. Three points down final possession. Get stripped by Andrea would dollar a great and clutch player. He's done this before you saw sportscenter AM it to LeBron James. Right. Famously has a great defensive player. And I think the, the unsung hero of this warriors dynasty, but, and I know we would dollar just beat them and Damian Lillard after the game was talking about, hey, I thought there was contact, but they're not going to end the game on a whistle like that. So you know just a good play. But Damian Lillard has got to be better. He's got him make a better play. That was a game. They had to have member. I predicted the blazers would win this game. I have faith in Damian Lillard. They were almost there. He hits that shot. They tie the game who knows if they win, but they have a chance and Igwe dollar picked his pocket with the game on the line. Stephen there is no way the blazers can win this series now not that there really was much of a chance before. But when they had a chance. To steal a road game and the ball in the heroes hands. And he's simply defeated. It's like the end of ventures like Thanos every you just they just disintegrated. And that's really what it comes down to. I hate to say it. Mask Kellerman, right? Person wrong reasons. You pick Damian Lillard because of the final play. I'm gonna tell you Damian Lillard and a fourth quarter if you recall they had a lead. And then all of a sudden, it will evaporate it in two and a half minutes because Golden State goes on a blitz. Here's what was transpiring during that process. There was a lot of over dribbling on a part of daily Lilly, and even though he made a couple of nights baskets in two included. A three from the parking lot for crying out loud. And a nice little lies little left handed layup, the reality is because he was driven the ball so much. He didn't get the ball to. C J, McCollum, CJ McCollum, then went cold, when you finally decided to come back to him because it had been so long that he had gone without touching the ball, and I think that, that was one of the things that inhibited them because what happened is you couldn't stop the bleeding once that started because danger Canaan CJ look if the him to make one of those big shots. Like we all know he is capable of doing, but you didn't get him the ball in rhythm nearly as much as you should have that as the responsibility of guy believed to be first team all NBA Damian Lillard didn't have a bad game. You didn't have an awful game. But we know he could be better yet. Twenty three points in the second. He was coming on strong make no mistake about it. He's trying to pull a Steph curry for crying out loud. What Steph curry did against Houston in that close out game six? But in the end when they when Golden State amped up its pressure as they can. He didn't do that. And let's give credit to Steve Kerr. For example, Jordan bell comes off the bench gives you eleven points played solid played really really solid. We know the defense that Andre Iguodala as played, I can't say enough about Draymond green, and what he was able to do st- Klay Thompson had somewhat of enough nights. You ate a twenty two from the field. Kevin Louis Kvant looney hit all six of his shots. And we saw how they were little gas. And how Steve Kerr had to maneuver his way through that to make that run. In the fourth quarter and for me when I looked at Seth curry, I can't say enough about how proud I am with a little brother. The little curry because I was going to tweet what the hell are you doing? He needs to shoot because he came out there max and Molly. And he was just passing a book. I'm like, yeah. You're curry your father was shooting shots from the parking lot. Your brother is the greatest shooter. We have ever seen your last name is curry when you are in a game we expect to see her shooting the damn ball and he wasn't doing. And then all of a sudden he came on and hit, four three pointers. He was balling here really proud of him. I hear what you're saying about feeling the game for Damian Lillard when you're the star and you have the ball on your hand. You gotta feel the game. And we saw Hawaii, Leonard trying to get his teammates involved early against Milwaukee and then didn't feel it properly at the end of the game like Hawaii. Now you have to take over, you can't shoot three times in the fourth quarter. You gotta take over now and Damian Lillard your argument here is didn't feel. Well the game properly in this respect had to know but that happens to everyone that's happened to Michael Jordan. Kobe bryant. Magic johnson. Larry Bird, everyone has missed read a game at times even in the fourth quarter even in a playoff situation. My point is this. However, you got there you got there, and I hate to reduce it to this. But how can you avoid this? Like you can't really get around this one, however you got there. You've got there. You're down three. You have infinite range practically the ball is in your hands. You're on the road. You've a chance to at least send it to overtime to steal a road game. And you get stripped with the game on the line. Stephen, you can talk about. He's not call. It wasn't hot and Lillard had to feel the fourth quarter a little better. I'm not going to argue with you, probably right? No one's perfect. But in that moment, you got the champions come through in that moment. And the also rans do not. And I believe, Lillard has the heart of. Champion. But this series is now over this, like I didn't I go in the series anyway. I thought that they could take it six didn't taken it six first of all, less than number one horse voice at all. I don't need you to explain to people what I mean by what I say they understand exactly what I said about basketball. That's number one. Number two, the final play distributing. There have been plenty of plays star players in NBA history. The final moment, whether it's a missed shot. It's a key turnover. Whatever the case may be it happens. But when you look at a point guard, particularly when we're judging a point God, it's not just your job to recognize what you need to do in terms of your own individual production. You're your extension of the coach of floor. You know what CJ Ken do he was hitting some shots earlier on to go away from him because you had this benching for dribbling, a basketball, a bit excessively was not something that you need to do, particularly against a Golden State squad that can resent. Able, a bunch of piranhas when they amp up there deepens and they start trapping. You Damian Lillard. This is not the finals, where you're going up against the team in the east that you face twice a year. Damian Lillard is incredibly familiar with Golden State what they like to do and what they can do. So for him to make those mistakes is something that he has to clean up outdoor that have more of a profound impact on the outcome than the last play. Let me just translate what you mean by what you're saying. Guys, whatever you say, Ken Curren. Obviously, in Portland's a must win for the blazers max, just admit the series is. Hopefully resolve because that's a demoralizing loss. And listen they weren't gonna win the series anyway. But I thought they could take six maybe seven games without K D. Yeah. They needed and I thought they were going to surprise people and upset them. And I was that close to being. Right. Because I believed in that situation Lillard hits the shy day. No, he didn't even have a chance to get it off. That it's a wrap. Maybe this goes FIS games if they play out of their minds six I think it's a five game series. This, this Dilip possibility. It could be a six game series. But I think that Golden State is going to go to Portland and probably still get for Portland will win game three Golden State wins games four and then they close out come back to oracle and probably close things out and game five. Yeah, this is demoralizing loss. I mean on that can just sweep 'em. And now our phone from Geico motorcycle took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now. Now be dissatisfied and kind of sad about how the child stars look and now your computer is plagued by incessant, pop up ads on that's can't be to add insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Good Friday morning with sportscenter right now. I'm Phil Murphy tonight. Goddess in the bucks to go up to on the rappers yesterday. The Greek freak was asked whether LeBron vacating the east opened a door. Former walkie Yana said didn't. But it also kind of did. The Brian is a good player, but. When he led the east group. Player going to the west not on to win. This is gonna be visit found some not let you just know that he's tough player that we always problem against. It gives the Cavs and nine up like with the gap. So he's going to be a little bit easier. I used to open, but now that I look back and that's really went is definitely opening now, having LeBron days, not trying to go through him. Milwaukee is seizing that opportunity so far, they're nine and one this postseason and a win tonight would match the best eleven game playoff start ever burnt Eastern Conference team. That's it for your sports center right now. But send you back the first day. No question. Phil happy Friday. Do fear. The king part of people. Yawn is talking about LeBron's impact when he played in the east, Stephen, you're up. I talked to me about those comments. About what which, which is about Greek Ron. Yes. Yes. Yes. Talking about LeBron. Listen, listen. The bottom line is, he's acknowledging what everybody knows that the east, there's a path is less a pass path of resistance to, to championship contention, or to the Eastern Conference crowd without LeBron James in the Eastern Conference. We all know that a whole bunch of folks looked like a bunch of petrified puppies, or let me take that back. It was really the Toronto Raptors that looked like a bunch of petrified puppies, whenever they went up against LeBron James. When you look at the Boston Celtics, they Ford valiantly when you look at the Indiana Pacers day try to fight them when land Stevenson. And this is even after land, steph's was blowing in this. There's plenty of people throughout the years that have fought the Toronto Raptors looked absolutely positively petrified. But that was pre Kawai limit era of. But if you had a Greek freak if you're Jaanus, you look at the dominance of a LeBron James, you, see what he's done to these two company went to h NBA financial completely. Owned the Eastern Conference, and then a couple of cases, people were absolutely, positively petrified that wasn't going to be the case with Janas. But what you heard from him was just a realization that if LeBron James was in this conference, it wouldn't be a we wouldn't be sitting here is comfortably as we're sitting here right now, believing sniffing entity finals berth. We would be a hell of a lot more worried about getting past him. It was very obvious Jaanus. It's not that he's not telling the truth. He's just a humble dude. It's one of the reasons he was replaced Westbrook. Stephen is my favorite player in the NBA. You know, we all know the story told it on the show many times of Molly he lives in a two bedroom apartment with his family. I told you about how he sent the first game check back home. So it didn't have any money even to get to the arena had start jogging to the arena. When a fan spotted him. Drove him there, how he doesn't wanna play outside of Milwaukee not looking to like leave somewhere wants to get guys. They're believes in his crew. I was teammates love him, right? Won't work out with the opposition in the off season. That's the enemy. I'm not buddy buddy with these dudes love me some Jaanus in addition to all that he's just a humble thoughtful, honest guy. However, if what you're take from that is that Yonkers saying thank God LeBron's, not in the east because then we wouldn't be sitting here so comfortably. I'm tell you then you honest is wrong. They'd be playing the exact same team. They would have been playing because LeBron and the Cavs meeting him even if was still there with Kevin love would been beaten by this raptors team, which is deeper. And right now in Kuwait has a better two way player. And they would have been beaten by the bucks team. I think handily, because it's not clear that LeBron James is better than Kawhi Leonard or Janas. Enter the couple anymore and these teams play together cohesively as unit they defend they shoot the lights out the bucks do from three. I'm telling you right now. If Janas believes he would be in any different position than he is right now. Lebron is in the east. I believe he is mistaken. This was going to be the Eastern Conference finals the team preseason pick the raptors. And then my in-season pick the bucks are playing for the Eastern Conference finals right now. And it wouldn't matter if lebrons, by the way, I know it's not fair, Stephen A, because the Lakers didn't really have anyone any got her say, wouldn't be heard at he stayed with the Cavs. Yeah. But he didn't even make the playoffs in the west didn't even make the playoffs. Well, first of all, LeBron James average, twenty seven like you always does number one number two. I think you're getting something that's very, very important. So I'm going to bring it up to you right now. You can't say for once definitively at all. I mean, all of hypothetical because obviously, he's no longer needs to conference, but there's no evidence that we've seen from the Milwaukee Bucks that says they would beating the Cleveland Cavaliers for this reason, Macs. More than anything. We worried about Cleveland offense, ably after kyri left LeBron James carried them to the NBA finals. We forget how stellar they were defensively. The one thing that JR Smith, George hill Tristan Thompson, Kevin love. And all of those guys did collectively was played defense compla- off Tom offensively. They leaned heavily on LeBron James who utilize his basketball. Bruins to create mismatches for himself and everybody around him. But defensively they were locked in. In. And when you look at how Milwaukee has struggled from time to time throughout these playoffs in terms of putting points on the board. Yes, they play elite defense too. So it comes out to what would you have been able to do with LeBron? That's a question, and we can debate that, but let's not assume that excuse me, they would have taken Cleveland out because Cleveland's defense was no Joe the no joke. Okay. But Milwaukee's defense, brogden willing defender, if not a good one, Middleton's good defender, Marich is underrated. He's athletic. He's just not very strong. But quick. Narod to- what he's doing to have a good defense last year. The free into clinically Lopez is not a great defender. But he's an excellent rim defender lend, so's an excellent defender off the bench hill off the bench. They got in defend on this team. But real quick, I'm you real quick. Before we get to Milwaukee, you talked about how now they got Kawai. There's not going to be the scared puppy team. Right. My point is I don't think Milwaukee would've had to play. Cleveland Toronto could've played traffic cop for Milwaukee. Anyway, I still think there's the Eastern Conference finals. Well, it's totally possible max that Milwaukee could've ended up leading Cleveland before Toronto did. So we don't know that it's all about seedings but what I'm saying to you is this when you picked Toronto to beat Cleveland last year. Why did you pick Toronto? It wasn't because of their offense you were raving about their defense to and how they had a collection of bodies that could really cause problems for Cleveland. And then LeBron just took over and snag your heart right out at it. You know out, no doubt my whole question last year is could derozen be the best player on at least the conference finals team. The answer was no, but I know Kawai could so if you if you take the Rosen off last year's team and drop Kuwiat healthy Kawai on it to take into I take Toronto all over again. And I believe they would win. We see the difference between a real MVP caliber player who can lead a team to a championship and just an all star caliber. Player. They got that dude now in Toronto again they had. And not feel different because I believe, Cleveland would have still be in them except the only difference is they would not have sweat recall. Why members welcome in lower. No, Kyrie on that. Cleveland team I'm not remember Clayton better than Boston and Philadelphia, but Toronto in Milwaukee mosque than Philadelphia and they get in here, guys obviously when LeBron was in the eighth dominated, right? No one could get past him. Do you feel like Jaanus is going to rule the east in the same way? Now, I would say, yes, I believe it starts this year. I got to see him get pica. Why Kawai at least temporarily is in the east, you probably won't be in the east next year's my best. Guess it'll be with the clippers. But, but right now he's gotta get by Kawai. No. They're up in the series that is no easy task after this year. And I even believe now starting to see the answer is, yes, I believe the Greek freak will run the east. And by the way, if he was crewed up in the west, I think he'd run the west to my suspicion is he's the best player in the NBA. I'm not ruling out. I'm not gonna say that. And because I'm not ruling out the resurrection of the Philadelphia, seventy Sixers, or the ascension of the Philadelphia seventy Sixers after suffering the devastating loss in game seven that they did to Ronco, I want to see if there could ever, be a healthy Joel Embiid, and I want to see if somebody is going to get all up in Ben Simmons, face and get him to attempt some parameters shots. Those are two tall task. I do understand that. But if those two things were to happen in an elevated on proved fashion, I believe Philadelphia could take Milwaukee. Welcome into your sports center right now. I'm Phil Murphy Golden State math to get through Portland entirely without one of its former MVP's Kevin Durant status for the rest of the series. Is in jeopardy as he continues to get over a right calf strain. The warriors robust playoff experience brings calmness and confidence. There's no mental adjustment. It's just you just play. You just, you know, you go out there with what you have. And this is our third game three and a half games really without him. And so we're just trying to hold down the Ford we're confident we can win. But we would much rather have him, you know, playing so we're gonna hold before down so they gives back and, and go in another j with what are full squad. Golden State's won twenty nine of their last thirty one curry plays and Durant doesn't be stats. Explain it more than just holding down the fort this postseason Curry's averaging over thirty five points per game. And the warriors are three no more points for curry often equals wins Golden State's thirty one in four in playoff games when the baby faced assassin drops at least there. That's it for your sports center right now. Let's back I take. Thank you kindly, ship career with the show as a series shifts to Portland, Kevin Durant expected to miss games, three and four. Then he will be reevaluated maximum. Ask you this is this injury worse for the warriors or K D, clearly K D, how because the warriors can win a title this year without him, by the way, they may not without him, but they may not with either. This is clearly worse for Kevin Durant who I know they're reporting that it's a calf strain. But it seems like well he won't be ready for game one or two or three or four don't know about five and believe me, it will be six, and if there's a seven, and then there will be one two and three and I don't see him. I don't see him coming back this place. But if he does it just was looked to everyone in the world who watches sports, like in achilles. So if it's not a rupture is it a strain? Is it something more, whatever it is? Stephen, it is something that a guy. Heading into free agency that we're with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line and the rest of the legacy of his career on the line in injury. Like that is much more significant than the team. That's already loaded in his won a championship without them. It's more much more significant for the player than the team. I said when it happened this now, reminds me a bit of CCC Tabatha when he was heading into free agency us traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, and Britain and really heroically took the ball, every three days to try to pitch them into the World Series and risked his health going into free agency very few players. Do that. And didn't have an arm injury coming into that series Kevin Durant has a leg injury right now. More serious for. K. D. Make up your mind K D And I'm sorry to warriors without K D. They gonna wanna championship with without them or not. I don't think the more with what a business. Well again, you know what I'm saying is you sat up Dan said, they could win it. But it could it won't win, which one is it. Well, I'm sorry. In other words, my prediction on one hundred one hundred percents, who's gonna win the final none. None of what I'm saying to you. Why watch us? Let me challenge you on something. I'm asking you because you went on the air two days ago and defensively said to go to Milwaukee Bucks a winning the title. It don't matter whether Katie comes back now. All right, then. So I'm just saying if that's your position, I don't wanna hear you saying, oh, they could lose. No, you said, you got Milwaukee. Yes, where we are charisma. I'm bringing that up. The reason I'm bringing that up is because let me tell you something. I'm very clear warriors can't win this title without K D. They beat Milwaukee than not beating Milwaukee without K D, if the warriors, don't have Kevin Durant. They are losing the championship. Period. And because of that. That's a big reason why this injury definitely affects the warriors more so than these. Secondly, let's go. Let's talk in the free agency. Let's, let's move forward free agency. Why is that relevant? Kevin Durant is expected to be a free agent. You know what we never bring up maximally? He's got a player option. He's gotta play option if Kevin Durant decides excuse me, I got if it's an achilles, or it's tear that so bad and the calf whatever it is whatever people believe if it's so bad, that he is hinted from playing next season. What's to stop him from exercising his option as a player, you understand and taking thirty one and a half million dollars on the books for him next season as a player option. He ain't gonna sit up there and be a free agent. And then, you know, I think that anybody will give them the money. Please don't get me wrong. But what I'm saying is that we forget, he has the option as a player if any reason he cannot play. Next season and he thinks that's going to compromise him in free agency. I don't you don't anybody would sense wouldn't think it's gonna compromise him. But if he were to believe that there's nothing stopping Kevin Durant from San I can't play anyway, but I'm of exercises player option, and at least getting short, and it's thirty one and a half million dollars that I'm all for next season and do it that way. So if you're the Golden State Warriors think about it, even if K D, K, D stays a right. Your four million about four million dollars over the cap salary cap is projected to be about one hundred and nine million for the twenty nine hundred twenty twenty season. If I remember correctly there at about committed to about one hundred thirteen million, so it is not so much for plus they got assigned clay to amac's deal in all likelihood. So they're not gonna have any room to go out. But that's good for the warriors anybody else. And when you're on point, that's good for the warriors, because because if the warriors can somehow retain K D like you've been talking, the whole time about will they can just replace K D. What about AD? My point is you pay Steph and clay, it's going to how do Ford, another max guy, especially with dream on on the books and where you're assets to make a trade to bring in a guy of AD or someone like that caliber be very hard. So they really need to retain K D to remain the dynastic warriors, my point, if this allows them, retain, Casey, it's good for them. No, no, no, no, no, no. Max not. If he can't play. Well, let's say half the season or let's to hide twelve. He has to see how did wait a minute. I specifically stated that if he can't play that twenty with exercise he could exercises player option. There's no way he would he would would opt in Italy. Right. Their way. So stay right there. Let's say he doesn't play next year. So he exercises his option now. He's on the warriors. Remember, they're the only ones who can offer him the supermax. Anyway. Now he's getting a little older. Let's say the warriors don't win the championship as you claim without him and don't win it again as he kind of proven his point that they need him. Now, he's looking at his own mortality, as a player and says net. I'm thirty two thirty three before I can get back to being K D. I don't have a lot of time left on the clock. I gotta win championships. I wanna stay right where I am. In other words, I believe that this injury if it's worse than they're claiming is actually good for the warriors, long-term good for the warriors. No, no, no. Because I'm saying you're gonna lose the championship without him. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying you've got to lose the championship without him. And you're not gonna have him next year. That's the claim I'm making. I'm claiming you're gonna lose. And not only that, if he's engine next year you wouldn't have him on the court if he's healthy. He'll be gone. That's what I'm claiming question. Why would they give me why you making me? Explain it three times, when, you know, my voice is compromise. Why are you doing? It was very clear. The question would you rather? Get to the finals and lose this year. If it meant retaining K D going forward, if it up your chances of retaining him going forward, or would you rather this year, and then lose K date? No, no, no, no. I'm trying to win the chip because I know I'm going to at least be a contender without him as long as I keep splash brothers and tack. So I'm going to chip now who I'd rather have him for the chip right now understand what you're talking about. They're not gonna win without him. The bucks were probably only gonna get better. The league is getting better. So if you don't think they can win it this year without K D, And they're going to be capped out anyway, how they're going to win without him going. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's that's u b. Being slick, that's a different question. That, that's a different question. The question that I address that you want K D. Now, if you can have him to win the championship. Now you can be a contender that comes up short in the future. But you need to win the chip. Now if I had a reference I would want him now and I'm not worried about next year. About worth two in the Bush. I'm saying then there might be a handful left in those bushes. If you keep K D, if I was the warriors. That's what I'd really be thinking about, and you have a punchers chance even if you think oh, you could say, well, they can't win without him. They've done it before. They still have a punchers chance now K d affects them in a myriad. Myriad, ways Stephen, especially with respect to depth. They had to sacrifice depth to get them in the first place. Then they have boogie cousins. He's gone now KD's gone. So they're really thin on the bench. But I will remind you Steph champ, clay a champ. They've been playing like it Igwe dollars champion, as you know, with all their players you as you say, religiously harp on this is not what he was Livingston's not what he was. But it's the same thing the fight game great players like fighters. They can't sustain it forever. But they can still when you need it most those flashes of brilliance, as you saw last night from this Lillard with the gunman. I'll tell you this people need to start showing their. Bench a little bit more respect Loney? Mckinney bell. When cook these guys have come off the bitch over the last three games and produced for the last three and a half games and produced for this team. We, we can't forget that you got Steph clay Igwe dollars. Ray you got a shot. Well, every pro golfers going to tell you, especially when it comes to Tiger Woods. And especially when it comes to majors when you have a long lay-off the last thing to come back as your short game. That was golf analyst, Michael Collins, Wednesday, predicting what might stand in the way of back, back majors for Tiger Woods. And unlike Tigers putting Thursday Collins was right on the money in the PGA championship. First round woods went over five on putts between five and ten feet, his minus point four eight strokes gained around the green brink. One hundred eighth eighteen holes putting rate, ninety eight tiger what went wrong out there. Not that hard to make bogeys out here, but it's hard to hard make birdies. And, and I found I thought it was going to be hard to get the ball close to the holes. And when I had a few opportunities air with short irons played aggressively, and it was they give them get in there, where I had makable putts and otherwise. Thirty forty feet away and move on entering Friday. Woods trailed Brooks kept by nine strokes Tigers largest comeback to win a major after eighteen holes seven shots back at the oath five masters. That's it for your sports center right now. Now back I. Out of the woods, not so much Michael Collins, with us now from the beautiful sunny, green. How are you Michael on this lovely Friday? Nostra vita, Nostra, Collins was what it looks like when you leave the north. Tyrone plus Santa's cousin. Come on twenty seven. Yes, you can't say no, I don't have a jacket on today and I am wearing shorts. So there's that this was beautiful about being up here right now. Best life. All right. Guys tiger sterling as you just keep it together people trailing by nine strokes after day one. Michael Europe, I gimme one word to describe Tigers first round. Expected expected, even though it was Tiger Woods. This is what happens when you don't play golf before weeks and show up at a major championship. It's gonna be like a roller coaster ride. Keep all hands and feet inside of the vehicle. We saw the start with the two double bogeys and a birdie makes the turn it three over par. But then when he goes on that berry, run and makes the eagle everyone's hands up an air here, it goes again, we're going to do it. And then that three putt happens, and it's hall, and even tire you saw little shrug at a shoulder a little bit of chin down on the chest. Because when you fight back that hard to get back to red figures and feel like that you might have a chance to get into contention three putt for bogey all the wind goes out of your sails. And we saw late with tiger. He looked like a guy who was a little bit beat up. But that's what this course, does, if you make mistakes, I Stephen. The, the word that comes to my mind is disappointing. And here's why and listen. I'll defer specially to you Michael in this regard, because I watch golf, I don't play it much. I'm gonna stop playing a lot more match. You'll be proud of me. I'm actually gonna stop playing a little bit this summer. But I yes I am. Say I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting clubs. I'm getting clubs. Gossiping hold up saving. Got in Trump. You what's your tire going to be like out there when you golf, I'm just curious? Well, I'll handle it. I promise you, I will look good. My outfit will look a hell of a lot better than my swing. I can tell you that, but I will tell you also this, Michael Collins, I got some tips on some clubs to get from the one and only Steph curry. He gave me some tips, some clubs the by so I'm on it. Having said, all Noah guy heels we I, I know a guy. That's right. Guy, I'm which you, here's the deal Tyrone some clubs on the twenty-seven. Don't worry about it. Help me out max deal. The word disappointment comes to my mind and I could be wrong. So help me out here, Michael, I'm disappointed that his short game wasn't there that is putting wasn't there because although you want to monitor your health and make sure that you're okay, I don't think it's taxing physically go out there. And putt. If you hitting stuff off the tee. If you're hitting stuff off the driving range, that would be different, but physically, I'm just I'm just deducing it logically, physically, as somebody that plays miniature golf and has fun doing that just putting I don't think that it's taxing enough where fuse to be away for four weeks. All right. Well, here's the thing, when it comes to putting him when it comes to putting for guy with that black one of the things that you can do. If you have a bad back is putt. Why because of the position that you're in your hunch over and leaning down? So hitting after put over and over again. That's the worst thing for golf professional and they're God. So practicing putting is a little bit more challenging, and difficult, especially in really cool conditions. And I think we kinda saw that, but here's the thing, Stephen a, you're right in the sense where it's disappointing. The reason that is disappointing is you can't simulate adrenaline in practice. And that's what we saw with those short irons when he hit long over the green the first two times he had wedges in his hands. The one thing that he can practice doing even if he's not hitting putts. It's making that grip soft. That's what you can practice and that's what was off, but it wasn't off until the back nine. But I would say, we're very similar savvy similar to yours. Michael's mine would be a predictable. You know you mentioned he hasn't been active enough. Right. The field is very strong. Kept good. By the way sets a course record that's unlikely to happen again. Tigers going to make the cut. The weather is warming up. It seems to me guy of his age his health issues. Right. Has caught a break here. He's gonna make the cut. He's always had a good long game tiger. So that theoretically should help him against some if not most of the field, I think tiger is gonna come storming back. I do not think he's gonna win. It's very unlikely anyone who ever played wins two majors in the same year. I do not think he's going to win. But I think he's going to make it more interesting. And so far, it's gone, according to the way, I figured it would go, it struggle a little early the in a position to make the cut, maybe make a comeback, but it won't be enough predictable. Predictable have good word. Here's the thing. You have to think about for today, though, max, the conditions are harder today than they were on Thursday. When it comes to plane with tiger and I'm a fan of tiger and a friend to tiger. But the fanatics of tiger, who thought after he won the master's, the intimidation factor is back all these young is going to be scared of tiger Brooks kept good played with tiger looked him in the eye and shot a bogey-free seven-under. Whoops. So much for that intimidation. The Bethpage Black long course you know there's time. Well, not just that not an ad in. Thank you know, I appreciate the explanation because I really needed to understand it because I did not. So thank you could explanation about the putting as it pertains to the intimidation. Listen chemical is the real deal. We all know that. So as Dustin Johnson, we get that Jordan speeches in the top six to seven. So who knows what kind of tournament, he's gonna have? But I'm looking at it from the standpoint, I see me, if tiger is coming, it's not a matter of intimidating them on day one two or three. But if he's around on day four, that's where I want to see how people will react, Michael Collins, now that he's one that major, if he can stick around until Sunday, I want to see what people do if he's right there in the hunt at that particular moment in time. All right. Get to see Tiger Woods play this weekend. Yeah. I think so. You think so? Yeah. Because of the conditions because of the conditions in the way they are out there today. If Tigers off just a little bit the cuts probably going to be plus for Tigers at plus two now, so anything slip up, big tarragon. But if you're a big hitter along courses to your advantage and tiger always has been. Yet, but a big hitter doesn't help you. If you're hitting it into spots in the rough, if you're not hitting the fairway then you're not taking advantage of the length yesterday. We're talking about Dustin Johnson, Dustin Johnson on his first hole had one hundred twenty four yards to the green, but he was into rough. He hit a shot that went forty six yards. It was forty six yards and it wouldn't have gone over my head. So that's what the rough around here. Does it takes length out of play? If you're not hitting fairways over your head, and your sleigh or on the ground. Either way. Michael, that was great insight, actually, the best line of this whole segment was, as a guy that plays miniature golf, but you can take that one max Michael, we appreciate you. Putting I can't wait to get out on the golf course. With Stephen name, man. I got some tips even coming this summer coming this summer. I'm coming this summer and I'm very careful. The nearest windows have gone on careful everybody because I know somebody window. Got off the park setting land courses. No. I'm yet your cameras themoth is coming to the course I'm coming up guys.

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Is Two Better?

First Take

46:45 min | 1 year ago

Is Two Better?

"What's up everybody? It's I take on a Friday so glad to be with you. Laura Rutledge Villain in Mali Kerem road. We've got Stephen Smith. Got Kellerman and we've got Jalen rose off the top. Hi everybody. Let's go ahead and get right into. Who's off the top? Well what we're already off to a delayed start because I asked everyone how were and mess up there but anyway let's carry it on. Do we like the idea of some of this good news if the seemingly inching closer to a return but Kohner Mark Lazarie on. Cnbc yesterday said it's likely that a return of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season would fries of two cities. Las Vegas will be the hub in the West while Orlando would be the host city in the East Stephen. Do you like the idea of the NBA SEASON. Being played out in two cities. If we can resume. It doesn't bother me doesn't bother me at all. I don't they I don't mind it'd be a divided you don't need. Everybody clustered in one location. I think that it it. It lends itself towards being a safer environment for folks to be a bit separated for some folks in Orlando some folks in Vegas as opposed to everybody in the same locale. I think it'll be easier to engage in social distancing by the way if you're in two different locations as opposed to everybody being in the same location. I sincerely doubt that it's just a player. That's going to be there that there are no family members that are going to be with them. I sincerely doubt that to be the case and so I look at it from the standpoint that you know something happening in two locations could potentially be beneficial because ultimately is going to come down to one location as the as the playoffs. Wayne and I think we all know that so. I don't really see much of a problem with it in that regard. Look I would never presume to know nearly as much about this essay the Commissioner of the NBA. Adam silver and. I'm sure they've looked at this very carefully. And one of the stated reasons for having two locations is it makes it easier everybody so but that said let me just say this one of the things. I like so much about the way Adam. Silver is handled. This is while Major League baseball in the NFL. I still believe are starry-eyed about this. Not really taking seriously enough. Be The potential strength of a second wave. Come the colder months. The idea that they're trying to get fans in the stands and off maybe could be fifty thousand fans. Even if it's twenty thousand beds steams to me to be overly optimistic. Stay the worst lease if not a little reckless. I think Adam silver looked at the sobre relief from the beginning. Okay let's get out ahead of this. Immediately they shut down the league there in the middle of their towards the end of the season you immediately shuts down the league. They start making these kind of preparations when I hear it's easier for everyone. This is what I think in order to have some semblance of normal life because of the population density of trying to cram everybody into one place it's easier to have in two locations and what bothers me about that. Is You look at the NBA Rosters? Let's see you need on average fifteen guys on a roster who need to be there and let's one person of support staff per person Jalen. You could tell me if that's more or less right or wrong. Kind of a back of the envelope. Calculation slits about a thousand people for the entirely. You WanNA say fifteen hundred okay. You can accommodate that in a vegas site very easily. It seems to me including with enough courts to play all that kind of stuff and the reason I prefer that to two separate locations is if something happens in the east to get shut down. Now what do you do? It's going to bring the whole season to a grinding halt. Anyway if you have the play offs I like much better and I think part of that because you want people to be able to live some semblance of a normal life. I think people if you WANNA really do this. Better get that out of their heads the idea that you can leave the bubbling comeback. The bubble I think is a bad idea. Stephen a your point about hey. Let's get right to the playoffs. There's there's some with a lot of legitimacy in that way of thinking do what you can do plan to do what you can do. Get it in now. Much stricter quarantine one location. It's not gonna be convenient for everyone. Forget about leaving and coming back into the bubble testing all the time if you do it like that. I actually think the NBA can complete their season. If not I have my doubts. I don't just like it. I love it and Max are really loved the two locations and I wanNA clarify something that I saw you guys debating. Today it would be in theory trying to play in team seven through tin in the playoff race. Which would mean you're talking about. Twenty teams ten from the West ten from the east. You divide the Western teams in Vegas the Eastern Teams in Florida. And if you think about it like that and you do that math. That's basically a hundred and fifty people. Vegas can accommodate that flora can accommodate that. And I'm talking about just players and like you just alluded to Max. You can inflate the support staff as much as you want. And it could be one thousand people and you're now dividing net into half so therefore five hundred on the east five hundred south of five hundred in the West. I think that creates the bubble that can insulate them enough and for everybody don't feel so very bad. Accommodations will be plus. It's not like it's going to be fifty people standing in a one bedroom apartment like they're going to have their paw plenty of great nations to help pull this off and I really like engaging twenty fan bases now. You have squads that were seven through tin excited about being in it. The intrigue of would if a Portland gets in. Can they up in the Lakers. Can they play against the Los Angeles Lakers? What about in the East is Philadelphia? GonNa get healthy with bead and Ben Simmons and so this creates a level of intrigue in enthusiasm and they could be a fantastic idea if the NBA Jalen. Jalen and Matt's. There is something that we did not broach and. I'm going to bring it up right now because I think everybody should be absolutely positively excited about what I'm about to say Jalen. Lean back in your seat and get ready for what I'm about to throw at you bro. Number those conversations that we've had not east not west just the top sixteen seeds the best sixteen teams and put them in the playoffs. But but the but the hesitancy was with you know if L. A. was number one hypothetically and Boston was number eight of sorry number. Sixteen that you'd have to do that. Travel well guess what you don't have to do it now if you only got two locations where they're at excuse me there's no traveling involved that right there. This is the perfect opportunity to explore number one going against the number sixteenth seed a lot of NC double A. Tournament per se the highest seed in each bracket going up against the lowest seed. And coming together that way as opposed to you know what you're a week a team in the east but to have a higher seed. You're a stronger team in the West. But you gotta lowest seed because there were so many strong teams in the West you can eliminate all of that and just have the top six feet and go from. There is the perfect time to to try that your thoughts. It's an opportunity to try all kinds of stuff playing games. You're right it. According to just record there's an opportunity here right there trade offs but also opportunity. Here's my issue with the two different locations. Even what you just said Stephen. It's easier in one location. It makes more sense now. It's the NBA has talked to health. Experts and honest decided term one separate locations in two separate locations lower. The odds that that things will go wrong right because you've you've lowered the population density of those two places. I get that but you've also doubled the odds that something's going to go wrong somewhere. I think it would be a better idea. Even even if you wanted to try to recede it that way to have everyone in the same place to have strict quarantine rules forget about leaving the bubbling coming back if you want to get rid of the rest of the regular season and just do the to ten twenty teams altogether with playing games. Fine and get this thing in. I don't think it makes much of a difference. I don't think it makes me go jalen. Well I know in black and white. The League may say that you have the opportunity to leave the bubble but trust me teams that are trying to get into the playoffs. That have been home with their families and their loved wasn't their kids. Arab happy to be playing a sport they love and be once they get in a bubble the other teammates in the leadership on the squad. We'll stop them from leaving. It AIN'T GONNA be no revolving door players going in and out. It's going to be really guys trying to focus on advancing in the playoffs. Because if you don't advance you can go home anyway in Max. I like the two locations because it splits up the opportunity as you mentioned but in reverse you have half of the people in Vegas half of the people in Florida and I like what you're saying Stephen about the one through sixteen is a chance to try it same with resetting the NBA calendar always felt like we should start meet. November's is not best for the players in their family dynamic in the summer. But I thought it'd be best for the business and I believe they started Christmas. Jalen Jalen. I've always been a propor- I'm I'm a big proponent. I shouldn't say always when owner came out with it. I'm a big proponent of star in the season or Christmas Day and in the in the first week in August family members has come together during the holidays. Thanksgiving obviously I mean I think there and listen July. Listen you you go on vacation August July. I don't have a problem with it. Geico presents. Not again another voicemail from your roommate rush to get to work and I left the back door open. Could you shut it. I lifted wide open. While you're there could you also turn off the oven and all of the burners? Never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal property protected. Like if it's your roommate's first time operating in oven visit GEICO DOT COM to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance to football. The rumor mill has been grinding last week when it comes to the cowboys and there was talk yesterday. The DAD's turned down a five year. One hundred seventy five million dollar deal. The both sides have denied the rumors there. So here's what we do know. The two sides have until the July fifteenth deadline to get a deal done or Dakhla have to play under the exclusive franchise tag after the twenty twenty season. According to Todd Archer. The cowboys have an offered that would make. Prescott the second highest paid in quarterback in terms of average per year. That figure would fall behind Seattle seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson who makes three five million season and include guaranteed money. That is on par with Jared Goff's one hundred and ten million dollar guarantee from the Los Angeles Rams Mac we start with you on this one. What do you make these cowboys? Rumors with Dak. Well and this is not sourced. Stephen a this is not. This is pure conjecture. I imagine that DAX agent is telling them right now. We got him here. It comes your comes the dough because what side is going to leak this information. If WHO'S GONNA best interest to leak this information? The answer is no so. There's only one other side to leak this. And if that's the case if the Dallas cowboys someone there thought it would be a good idea. Whisper something to media if that's the case about some outrageous contract demands which do not seem likely to be true to me with that suggest as they're desperate negotiation if they know they're going to have to pick it since give on certain points and they want to exert public pressure on deck to say okay. Listen let not your greedy. It's Ham handed and it reminds me. This is what I've been saying along Stephen. The cowboys cave on the details. Jerry Jones has said that every one of his best deals he quote unquote overpaid for in his careers businessman. Jerry Jones does not make his money on the margins. He makes his money with a big imagination. That's how did he's GonNa by the Dallas Cowboys Right. He's going to make a ten thousand foot screen. Look that's Jerry Jones. So Steven jobs goes out. We're not gonNA reset with the Marsupial Elliott. The next week they do it. We're going to pay this guy. They pay them. They're about to cave on key points for negotiation. It seems to me and they're just kind of throwing stuff against the wall including trying to trying to exert some public pressure to make him think. I don't want to appear greedy particularly now. That's how I would read these teams. Well I don't blame you for reading it that way because clearly if if there's any truth to that report than Dad Prescott looks insane to turn down that kind of money you put again. What I would highlight is the fact that we we still haven't learned to guaranteed dollars. I'm telling you Mac I'd give anything to be a beat right in this in this day and age. I mean because back in the day before the advent of social media and beyond you got to get this information. I mean we've been talking about Dak Prescott contract for almost a year okay and we still have not heard the amount of guaranteed dollars that he has often. I've never seen anything like it in my life. I mean it's unbelievable to me that we still are waiting to hear. What did you guarantee him? Why because we know Jerry? Golfers guaranteed one hundred. Ten Billion Reno to costs and wins. Was I keep getting whether it's one o seven or one zero nine Okay Reno. These we know these things we know that. Russell Wilson got the thirty five million. We know that that that Jimmy Garoppolo got seventy two and a half million of his one thirty seven and a half guarantee we reno these things but we're still looking and waiting to hear what the guarantee portion of that press guy is and so as a result it's unbelievable as a result we're sitting here and all we're all forced to speculate. We don't know who the bad guy is. Because guess what if you Jerry Jones and the Dallas cowboys certainly you sound like the Good Guy Win Carson Wentz has incentives in this contract that could pump his money up to one hundred and fifty three billion dollars but Dak Prescott had a one hundred seventy five million dollar off on the table. Sure it makes the Dallas cowboys. Look good but if you heard that only eighty of it was guaranteed compared to cost and went or jared. Goff now got a problem. Okay not a cowboys. The bed we don't know and so to me. Here's the interesting element of it. All Max does neither side one. Reveal THAT INFORMATION. I understand once I want to hide it but both sides refused to tell anybody. Well what the guaranteed off is. Does that make sense to you? I think I think in fact it will. It does from this point of view. You were talking yesterday about Major League baseball players. Whatever they are there are legitimate arguments are if they particularly nowadays but even before the pandemic if the players are the one as Ryan as turning down hundreds of millions of dollars. They're painted as greedy in the press and people will react to them that way in spite of the fact that the owners could be making billions so I think from that point of view dockside must may just wisely say. We're not talking. Mum Is the word. It doesn't help us to say anything but does it help the cowboys to say something. Yeah I think it does to paint Dacca's greedy and Steven it. You hit the nail on the head. We've never heard even reporting of the guarantee you could easily say we always at latest. What's guaranteed sixty access? Where I'm going both sides won't tell us. Now that's an aberration. The League Baseball we hearing about what they're hard joining ugly old for what we've got most of the details so in other words you pick a side you can see owners point of view to some degree you can see the players point of view to more of a degree because they've got more to lose because they don't have a billion dollars to lean on the event that no games take place. I get it but at least you have a thorough understanding to some degree. Anyway of what's transpiring re don't know what the Hell is going on with Jack Bresca. I cannot believe that neither the Dallas Cowboys North Dak Prescott himself meeting his side Kev. Reveal what the hell. The guaranteed was five. Four football the number one thing Max. All of us look for in football is what's the guaranteed portion no matter what contract is charity dollars. We haven't heard that we see that the same. We see that the same but what I take from that is. We will get that number from the team not the player even if it's leaked backs backdoor leak. You know normally in negotiation like this. That's not the wires and it has to lead to the media. He's only why because it's the player is not talking than the information we're getting is surmised is coming from the other side. Particularly what all the information we so far has made. Dak Look Bad. Dakhla GREEDY DOC. Look out of touch but all we know is we've heard nothing about the guarantee that tells me when you see those inflated numbers but not the guarantee that's usually the team and what I'm saying is the hell with the cowboys then. The fact of the matter is that if the Dallas cowboys until the Dallas cowboys tell us that they guaranteed that Prescott X. amount of dollars. We should assume that. Prescott getting screwed over. And that's what we should sue because this is the NFL we're talking about here is the NFL play for talking about here. All Sue that the player is getting screwed over not the other way around until I see what the guaranteed amount of dollars in this case the NFL stands for not screwed around. Not For long. That is going to get screwed around. Not For long Stephen A. That's what this tells me. Okay according to the New York Daily News. The Brooklyn Nets had discussed pursuing Washington Wizards Star. Bradley Deal Joining K. D. I read to create their own big three funding. Bill signed a two year. Seventy five million dollar deal with the wizards last year. So Jalen rose is back with us. Here let's start with you on this one Steven A. The NETS GET BILL. Are they contenders? Do they make the finals without question to me? Definitely contenders definitely think. They could make the finals in the Eastern Conference. You're listening to a Bradley Beal Fan here. I mean I'm not like some people I got some friends y'all in chocolate city in DC. Or they will remain nameless. 'cause I don't want to incriminate them publicly but they give no love and no respect to Bradley beal compared to what you need. They know who I'm talking about what I got something. Something's wrong with them. One person in particular but she will remain nameless. Is the deal okay? Bradley averaged thirty last year. Bradley beal was the only thing worth watching even though Bradley beal is making twenty eight million in today's NBA Martin as far as up concern. He's underpaid this do is a big top scorer. He's a big top off. I love him and you talking about this. I think he'd be a good number one. He's an elite number two and he would be US big TAKKULA number three okay. Because he doesn't need to dominate bowl dominant in order to score and the thought of him and Carby to the laws. Have mercy you talking about box office blocks office. Startups would read dancing the way that he can dance with. Bradley beal stroke in the way that he could stroke with Kevin. Durant do what I want to end up walking out philly. I want unless they get shooters. I don't WanNa hear it okay. I don't believe it not for one second at today's NBA coach. Think the nets come out of the East? I think they'd be able to challenge for the title of not say winning definitively because this team's in the West have to contend with but in the eastern conference today's NBA. Where you're the Greek freak. Jonathan Kim bully ball the way. He doesn't a regular season. I'm sorry I would go with. I would go with it. The Nets Got Bradley. Beal please I. They'd be favorites to come out of the east. I can tell you that. Believe even come back healthy. Go ahead you. I don't know the Kevin Durant ever going to be one hundred percent. I don't even know if he's going to be eighty percent but they get Bradley beal next year. They're coming out of the east. Let me say something about all three players number one. I was going to say precisely that Steven if Bradley beal's your number one you're GonNa win a championship. But you can contend if he's your number two you can have a powerhouse if Bradley beal is your third best player. Oh look out because people get it twisted a guy comes into the league a certain way and some people get fixed on that kind of player even though bill came in with US nineteen years old. Not a good defender could see offense of promise but not an all star yet and built and built a pretty good defender now and it's excellent offensive player not all stars are created equal while is not an MVP caliber player. He's not just like a some time. All Star caliber player. He's a solid to high end. All Star caliber player as your number three now. Kyrie irving lot of pressure on Kyri Stephen a lot because we've seen with John Wall. Who has anyone more talented? The job thing he can. He can't do the do shoot right and they didn't watch much that they were supposed to so now. Cairo has a direct comparison but he hasn't plus because K D's presence there no matter what version themselves. Katie is on. Is that brand? Names going to be on the floor of them. A lot of pressure on Kyrie. Kyrie can't afford an underachieving team. If beal is there after having underachieved with everyone except Lebron James where teams consistently get better when he leaves with the with the exception of the cavs so so the Celtics and the nets and that a lot of pressure on Kyrie and finally K. D. guys even if eighty percent you know the closest similarity the K. D. is in the history of of my watching the Tracy McGrady like a long lanky at his best. Mvp caliber player. People forget how great McGrady was at his peak just about as good as anyone and at like MVP caliber but his peak was cut short by nagging injuries and then the knee injury. He was never the same. Astor the knee. But you know what he was still if you had K. D. is better than McGrady ever was as great as McGrady was and even if you have Katie coming down to the kind of player that McGrady had fall down to astor the knee which is high end rotation if not maybe an all star with bill and Kyri. They're going to make it out of the east eventually a lot of great information by both you. Gentlemen Stephen. They you delete whoever number you'll phone. This doesn't realize that Bradley beal is that deal and one thing that they would be able to achieve that no other team in the NBA has is three all stars that each made it when they didn't play with one another. So the Golden State Warriors. Have Three all-stars splash brothers and draymond green? But when they weren't there draymond green wasn't an all star. Look at the clippers. They have to look in the Lakers. They have to Philadelphia. They have to the bucks have to the Celtics have to Jalen. Brown was a fringe. All Star could have been three. They would have three legitimate all stars and you know what you need to get used to hearing when. Katie comes back next season everybody. We're not talking about this year. Tiny Tommy Sheppard by the way the general manager of the Washington Wizards Stephen Amex. He knows everything about Bradley Bills. Game that you guys know so. I would assume that. He wanted to keep him on his team. I cares Lavar a loved dinwiddie. I seen Harris make shots Allen plays quality minutes for the nets of front. But I don't see parlaying. Those pieces like they were indirectly able to parlay deangelis Russell that allow them ultimately to land K. D. I just don't see the Washington Wizards doing that. But if they were to do that either. Do I agree with both of you guys? They would be my favorite to win the east next season. So you think it's little higher rating chit now. I don't believe you do that. Deal as Kyri being a trading ship. And you don't Move Cari based on the dynamics of his relationship with K D you allow those two guys to play it out. Next year ultimately the anchor will be well. Here's the deal guys couple of things number one Bradley. Beal is the face of the Washington Wizards. Yes John Wall is getting forty one million dollars next season but we all know that he's been injured when he's healthy he can ball. We might have questions about his jump. Shot from a consistent basis but he got a lot of hard. He's got a Lotta skill and went healthy. John Wall do special things but because he's been hurt for so long. Bradley beal has become the face of that franchise so we have to understand that. He's been a model citizen he signed with them when he could've played all ball and moved on. So there's a certain level of loyalty that Ted Leonsis. Those boys have with them. And Tommy Sheppard. In his first. She had taken over since they let go early. Grenfell tiny chef. Tommy Sheppard has done a good job and he's going about the business of really trying to get young talented they need to improve and elevate it but I think he's got them stand in the right direction. Here's the bottom line though. I'm of the mindset similar to Portland. I didn't sit up and say Damian. Lillard will lead Portland a matter of fact. Numerous occasions to the people out there in the Pacific northwest numerous occasions. When I spoke with the Damian Lillard. He's made very very clear. Very happy in Portland. He ain't about going someplace else to try to win a championship. He doesn't mind being there long term. He actually loves loves the way they treat him loves it out there. He's good. I'm saying I paid if the man wants to win a chip to get the hell out of it because I don't know if they're going to ever get into Ross in order for him to win a championship similar in a sense in Washington guys. I don't believe that Bradley Beal and John Wall can coexist that. They're not to studs together. Jalen what I'm saying is for Washington to ultimately elevate itself. They need to move one of them and acquire a multitude of assets for that. Communist power and it has to be bill because since John Wall was hurt so often and he's due to make over forty one million dollars per year. The bottom line is this going to be virtually impossible to move him. That's what I'm saying about the wild winds Bradley beal. He's your only commodity one thing one thing to keep in mind and the reason. I say there's pressure on is because of the way Washington underachieved and the way Kyrie's underachieve if K. D. comes back. I'm assuming it's at most eighty percent right so I looked for McGrady parallel like a souped up version of vaccines even better. But what if it's close to the player he was what if he comes back and he's more or less a little bit older version of the player he was guys they're going to dominate the shoot. I it's too much because all three of them can get their own shot and all three of them ten shoot not only can they get to the basket and create all three of your best players but they all really shoot it. When have we seen something like that? Really Golden State Warriors. Klay Thompson can get his own shot. It's true maybe not quite like any of those guys although he shoots it better like that's when when we've seen something like that before it's been. Oh my God. Is this the best team ever? They are going to dominate the East if K. D. comes back healthy guys. I'M GONNA jump in here because we have some breaking news out of the NBA. The hall of fame coach. Jerry Sloan is with the Utah Jazz at Helm of that team for twenty. Three seasons has passed away at the age of seventy eight. The jazz released a statement about this and we send out our condolences. Stephen I want to start with you on this. Just your reaction to hearing the passing of such great in NBA history Incredibly Sad I think he coached. If I remember correctly like twenty three years In Utah if I remember correctly something along those lines. What about sixty? Two percent of his games They were very tough team. He guided them to back to back title appearances. We know that against Jordan and the Bulls But this man was phenomenal coach. He was somebody that was highly respected. He was a straight shooter. No nonsense no joking around You what you saw was what you got. He was as authentic as they calm and and he was a True Basketball Guy. He loved the game. And he's GONNA BE. He's GonNa be missed because he was highly respected at anytime we lose somebody in the NBA family. That's so that's so respected You have to pay homage to them. Give them they're just do. He certainly deserves it this is. This is a tough day for the NBA family. And I want to say prayers and condolences to his family to all of the Utah Jazz supporters. Somebody that's a part of the. Nba Family competed. So many years against Jerry slows teams for anybody didn't know about Jerry. Sloan the player. They mirrored the exact man out on the floor because as a player he was really tough. He was feisty he was. He was authentic as he talked to the media as he dealt with this team's his t's were so very disciplined the wings ran heart all of the time. The bigs constantly ran from the front of the Rim to the front of the Rim every single time. They didn't take shortcuts. They didn't really switch on screens. You get nailed one of their guys on the screen. He expects that guy to recover fight through because that was the type of person and the type of player that he was in the jazz get overlooked a lot in the history of the game they had two of the greatest players of all time in Karl Malone and John Stockton but we gotta make sure that we acknowledge Jerry. Sloan is one of the greatest coaches of all time. He nurtured that great. This time and time again. I did not know Jerry. Sloan Jalen I find that really valuable commentary way. They played the big getting down the floor. All that stuff at disciplined team when Jerry Sloan had great players Malone Stockton and Hornicek. They won fifty games year sometimes. Sixty Games a year. When he didn't have great players they win forty games a year sometimes fifty a year Jerry. Sloan team basically Pencil Mint fifty wins. That's a great coach and over a long period of time. The reason that jazz team was a great team. Had Michael Jordan in the League probably would have won a couple of championships is because they had a great one and two one two punch malone and Stockton a great third Guy Hornbeck and a great coach. Jerry Sloan Max. Jalen in twenty three years that Jerry. Sloan coached the Utah Jazz. I'm looking at his record here. He only failed to win. Forty Games in a season for re times and one of those seasons was the lockout shortened season of two thousand ten two thousand eleven when he went thirty one and twenty three. That's it other than that. He wanted a forty games every season over twenty three years Stephen. You'll appreciate this analogy that that stability that you talk about with Jerry. Sloan and the jazz is something always appreciated about your Pittsburgh. Steelers have in three coaches over a sixty year period. It what ends up happening is like you just acknowledged when you able to institute an identity to team into a program that we're going to draft players did fit this that speak tour this that fit this model that we have set up because we have two future hall of fame players so we're going to inner change a lot of different parts in and around them. The same way people saw the Bulls doing with Michael Jordan and his teams with the Chicago. Bulls Jerry slow. Allow that to happen and when you say see people like Bill Belichick and how he host. Tom Brady accountable or Popovich how? He coached him Dunkin. That was Jerry. Sloan he was able to do that with stocks in alone which allow everybody else to fall in line guys. I WanNa read something from jazz owner Gail Miller and her family. This was a statement from the jazz and this is just part of it. But saying the far reaching of his life and dedication his enduring legacy with the franchise in our family but it has touched our city state and world as well as countless players staff and fans. We pray his family will find solace and comfort and Jerry's life and it is with much gratitude yet sadness that we honor him at his passing. Jerry Sloan we will keep discussing this. Is we carry on on. I shake but Jerry. Sloan has passed away at the age of seventy eight back to the NFL. On I take today sources have confirmed to. Espn that safety. Jamal Adams and the jets have reached a stalemate over contract extension talks and Adams camp not happy. Espn's rich Carini says the jets do not want to trade him and are looking for a long term deal while atoms wants a deal done before this season so ESPN NFL front office insider. Mike Tannenbaum joins us. Now get Steven A. We got Max. And let's start with you. Steve Nation. Jamal Adams demand a trade. At this point I wouldn't mind. Why the hell should he want to be a member of the New York jets? Perpetually more of on franchise. They haven't been in the playoffs since two thousand ten they stink. We all know it. We hope that they move in a different direction. I'm sorry to say that about two former team Mike Tannenbaum but that's the way I feel the fact that a matter is this. You have a situation where there is an individual Chicago. If I remember correctly coach Eddie Jackson a former fourth round pick in the same draft. Is Jamal Adams? He thinks a four year. Fifty eight million dollar deal. That's the kind of money the number six overall pick in the same draft is looking for and there's a problem here. Jamal Adams has been there now. Granted it wasn't last year wasn't the same as the year before. Had One hundred and fifteen tackles last year before last this year it went down seventy five. Although he played two games he was second on the team in sacks he led the team in tackles this dude in terms of the mindset the culture and everything else. Tell me something negative about Jamal Adams. Last time I checked every football aficionado out. There my says that this to might be the best strong safety in football also. He's in the media capital of the world. Also he's a big reason. Why the jet even gaining any headlines. Outside of picking a quarterback. This is what we're talking about here. You can't pay this dude some money. As far as I'm concerned the Dallas cowboys at its best interest. Interested them in the past. I don't know of too many teams need of a safety. That would've want Jamal out of. I don't know of too many teams who wouldn't come up with for years and fifty eight million in order to give them which is what he's asking for so for me when I look at it from that perspective. You've got a team. That's like the New York jets. Who are lucky to get head. Lots cried out loud. They're lucky we even talk. About what. How much let the lack of productivity that they put on the field and the one person who has shown up and produced for you while while elevating your culture and the mindset of a football team that you will want to have you WanNa play around with him particularly now because the coronavirus pandemic is coming is here and as a result you'll probably used as an excuse to track her tail pay in the do spa as I'm concerned? Listen you go someplace else. You Win on both fronts knuckle. One more than likely you'll get your money and number two you dance show will win more than you have with the New York jets. Because last year they went seven to nine. And if you listen to the jets celebration why? Why was it there parade on Broadway? That's pathetic it is with gangrene seven and nine. There's a cost for celebrating. Matter of fact Max and Mike I say take the gang out of their name and just call them. Green Donadoni deserve to work gang before getting great daily the deserve it because what the hell of day done go ahead. Mike. I Apologize. For this in advance because you were the former. Gm of this team every town with two teams usually there tends to be the heritage franchise the New York giants who've fallen on rough times recently. And the clown franchise in New York. It's very simple. The Yankees of the heritage franchise the mets or the clowns. It's usually you know some years different almost always. That's how it is same thing with the giants and jets and the jets are showing it again. I like Sam Darnold. I think Sam Darnold has a good chance to be at least a good starting quarterback in the NFL consistently that. I think that's a good floor for him. He has a good chance to do that. And maybe even better than that remind everyone the Lamar Jackson's younger than he is. And Lamar Jackson doesn't need seventeen years to develop into a guy who get you to the playoffs. He's already been there twice So I I assume that the jets are happy with the trajectory of darnold career. I don't know that they're really convinced about him yet. And the reason I say that is the time to make hay in the. Nfl is on your quarterbacks. Rookie deal if you believe. He's special because it frees up resources to pay other players. Jamal Adams was six pick as I recall and I remember saying before that draft you. Maybe he's the best number one. Pick the best choice for number to go first overall because at least within the floor is very high. You Jamal Adams at the minimum was going to be good defensive. Play like a very good pro bowl caliber defensive player if anything he's even he's even been better than that. I know that the game has changed in recent years. People are looking at the secondary more front I think especially at corners by the way And so if it sounds seventeen million dollars sounds like a lot. The game has changed in that way. When you look at the all time greats Ronnie Locker and read Paulo some guys like that. Would they be worth past? What the going rate for. A top quarterback wasn't there era. I think so particularly if in fact your quarterback on his rookie deal and yet the jets are balking. My before you go guys here I want to say I was I was. I wasn't talking about you. You were there since two thousand sixty one of YOU GOT A playoff game one year and the two conference back to back conference championship. I wasn't talking about Mike Tannenbaum. I'm talking about sexual the clown years Jules. Well that's great because I never thought I take was more bunk show so you and I are the same page Steven A. But here's what's really interesting. Let me take you behind the curtain. I know that Adam Gates really likes tomorrow ams because when we were together in Miami and we had a face Jurmala who was on the New York jets. He was always scared of worried. He was Jamal. Adams is a great player and greatness as coach parcells define. It guys is someone who has attributes. You can't see and he makes everybody better so while we could say safeties aren't as important as corners. Jamal Adams is a great player. He brings a lot of again Moxie to the table. Lot of energy key creates only turnovers but game changing plays and I know Adam Gates offensive head coaches. The first thing they want to know is ads. Where is he is he blitzing? Where is he because he is a playmaker and that's the ball now as it relates to the finances? If I'm Jamal lands I say three things to Joe Douglas. And Adam case Zeke Elliott Zeke Elliott and Zeke Elliott. Zeke Elliott played three years of his rookie deal a year. Going back to two thousand sixteen last year held out and Jerry Jones paid him. Pay Them top dollar for running backs. So if I'm Jamal Said Hey. I played three years look with doused Z. Kelly and now you should pay me now when you go on the other side of it and if I'm the jets and I think you're making a great point Max which is this Sam. Darnold creates a window. We know that when Joe FLACCO SCIENTISTS EXTENSION WITH BALTIMORE. They lost eight starters off of that team that went to the Super Bowl. So if I'm the jets I don't WanNa pay as-yet and that Zeke Elliott precedent scares me to death. But he's a Guy. I have to keep because he is a guy that hey you want the clown franchise more. He is a guy that should be there as part of the transformation to turn the team around might see. Here's where I have a problem with all due respect. I say this respectfully because this is your around now but this is what this is where I have a problem. A huge problem with what you're saying we look at numbers and I understand. We have to look at the numbers. Sir But my problem is that you know this better than me. That's it's more than that that defines the value a particular player when it comes to football particularly inside that locker room particularly as it pertains to culture. Not just their performance on the field. The performance on the field. Sure you can look at that and then look at the numbers and then make your business decisions from that. But when we when I hear executives and coaches talk about football team y'all so big about culture y'all are so big about the elements that provide inspiration. Elevate the level of play galvanizing folks around them tomorrow. Adams's not just our goddess performs as a strong safety tomorrow Adams as a football player and the kind of effort that he puts out on. The field has a contagious effect on the rest of the team. He's about holding himself and others accountable. He's about Ramada. You come from. Lsu I trying to lose all the damn top okay. It's not satisfactory to go five and eleven or twelve or even seven. I need more than that. All the Y'all and I think that that matters Sir. And that's what the you gotta but stuff to is what. I'm saying that have come into the equation. Let's feel T. But but Steve. Here's what I would say about something. That's unsatisfactory look at the Dallas cowboys situation. They may three mistakes. They pay Zeke Elliott early. They didn't pay Amari Cooper when they traded him with the raiders and they re sign while collins a good but not great offense lineman so if you just indiscriminately pay people when you want to. Or when they're complaining now you're to situation where Dak Prescott Twenty six years old one forty eight anybody you the but my point is not. He is a force multiplier again. Adam case I'm telling you for the game plan means and engaged did not like facing Jamal. I agree with you but if you just pay players before you have to. You could be in a situation. Where if Sam darnold becomes the player you hope? He does as Max alluded to. He's on his rookie deal. Now all of a sudden you put yourself in a cap situation where you can't pay your quarterback Mike Real Quick. The jets best player either side of the ball. Tamao Adams Right. He's the best player on the team and unlike a situation with Ezekiel Elliott. Where running backs easily replaceable. You may not be able to exactly approximate Zeke's production but you can get a good running back. They're cheap so to speak of safety. Jamal Adams level difficult defined. I think he has a good case. Yeah master point. You saw Jamal Adams. We've the entire. Nfl last year was six and a half sacks. Mr T. Rowe quick before we go to break. Was that Jamal Adams on the phone. Why didn't the answer? That was his agent by the way they were making sure that I do refer to. I take as more bunch show so I just want to be really clear. Despite the characterization of the New York jets that is distinguishable for my opinion of the show. As is that now thinking more and that's what the hell they are that's what the. Hell legit right asset it until they prove otherwise. That's what they are very or what your record says you are.

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Episode 299: Barty, Bianca, and Boys in Miami

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Episode 299: Barty, Bianca, and Boys in Miami

"The episode two hundred ninety nine of no challenges remaining. I'm ben rothenberg. Joined seminal while by courting to win on the program. Courtney nice to have you here. We reach another precipice at some point. You and i are going to have to have the difficult discussion as to whether or not i even qualifies a co host of challenges remaining anymore. It's getting pretty dicey. i mean. Look like they're happy to be here. But i just wanted to let people know. I'm aware that my absence is a thing. And i'm aware hunch more people like courtney than me. That's not your comments. I'll make it clear over and in the subtext. Like oh we miss courtney so much and i know i know it's it's fun it's fun. People miss what they absence makes. The heart grow fonder. It doesn't mean that they don't love you benjamin. You are saying they don't and i'm not saying they shouldn't because i'm fantastic but you're better. It is what it is what it is. It is what it is you know can are you. It's just it's it's maths. flattering flattering. Yeah most is to have you here. We just spent the past weeks covering the miami open in miami gardens a tournament which notably one by ashburn the deputy number one. Let's talk according to start the show. That ash party. Who is i think i was saying. We were sort of in a pre taping normally number one player winning a tournament. Wouldn't feel like that momentus affinity kind of feels like a country or supposed to do things. Follow it you know expected order but this felt this big for rush party. What you along people. Can't you're nodding. why do you. Why do you think he felt big fresh party. It did i suppose it. It's taken me about forty eight hours to kind of realize it. I guess how significant the victory was for bharti. And i you know. In a lot of ways it's I felt like her playing the final against bianca and her movement through the tournament. In miami you know alongside bianca was a really intr. I it set up a really interesting discussion point. Because of how much of the of the of like the two sides of the same coin. I feel like those who are in so far as you know bianca. And we'll talk more about her and a little bit later but just in reference to the discussion of ash bianca. Kind of takes up the oxygen in the room She commands the spotlight. Every match is about her. You know like bianca is the protagonist of the story at all times. And she draws you in. And she's so emotional on court and all that sort of stuff and and it it makes for compelling watching and obviously she's incredibly skilled ash is justice skilled. She plays a lot of ways. You know at least the same brand of tennis which is all court variety you know can play with a little bit. More power can run. You know that sort of thing. Great problem-solver all of that. But it's so funny because at plays because she is so kind of controlled and even keeled generally on court and also just off court. You know in the way that she talks about her tennis and everything is very no worries. Everything is very you know the sun comes up tomorrow. You know no big deal. Even though you know that. She's taken heartbreaking losses. And you know that. She's sitting there heartbroken in front of you. There's still this kind of air of of control of perspective and so to watch them kind of go through it together was it made me really spend two weeks during the miami tournament really thinking about ash probably more than i probably have. I think in any of her title runs or even during her breakout two thousand nineteen season and because it just kind of happened and you saw the tennis in two thousand nineteen and how good she is and it just made sense. You're like oh yeah okay like you know ashes doing these things. Of course i mean. We've always known ashes this prodigious talent and wimbledon champion juniors when she was sixteen years old. And all these all these things and we were still kind of. I think in two thousand nineteen writing this story that was related to the fact that she had left the sport and had come back was the narrative of twenty nineteen in two thousand and twenty one. The narrative is very different. It's very much started from day. One of where you. What are you about your number one. But are you all the whispers and the chatter that surrounded her. So yeah. That's a long ramble. Because i have a lot of kind of completely worked out thoughts about ashes. That i'm still kind of working through so you'll have to bear with me but above about that's fine. Yes exactly. we're going talk it through but But i just think that that yes. There's a lot of. There's a good argument to be made. That what bardy did in miami in winning miami in the manner in which she won miami given the circumstances surrounding her arrival in miami Really does make it. Probably one of the most significant if not the most significant title that she is one of the ten that she's one in her career which is saying a lot for a a number one and grand slam champion. But i think it might be true. I think miami really might be the most important win of her career and we will talk about. Why but i'll turn it over to you ben because i've been rambling good to talk about this narrative of ashington nineteen year. Read the story line when people are still getting to know ash on some level. And i say that it was about the comeback in the leaving the sport and going to cricket and how she had found sort of a better head space to be in in point. Nineteen in this next chapter for in that in that chapter for career. And i really think it's worth pausing on just like how steeper ascent was stat. That i do. I did a profile of her interview with her for wimbledon of that year and she had just gotten into ranking Times and i found looked up and found that she had spent. Maybe kevin fisher health or something. I forget exactly. But i think i think of myself. Now let's give kevin credit That ash spent fewer weeks in the top ten and anyone who would ever previous three to number one of anyone in tour history. I think it was by a lot like at. She was not top ten before she wanted. Miami twenty nineteen like. She was out of the top ten and then by wimbledon. She's number one. I mean that's kind of crazy and she did. She want to more titles night intervening time one of the most french open Which is a lot of points in about a lot of clout to become a grand slam champion. And then she went birmingham To clinch it. But i also think that. I remember still surprising. Is we were sitting recording. An episode of the podcast. I believe it was in an epernay. Mr the town. We're in my gosh we so we were epernay after going to see the. Us women Lack thailand in the fourteen. Nothing thirty nine forty nine at that. In the women's world cup still will defend that result. Hardly even watch my team. Usa usa usa but in claims reflecting. Then i hadn't really thought at the time but like while. I thought this french open was terrible. Like just as it encore thing. I thought it was a really weak product. I think a lot of and i think that for me. It's sort of an opel if they didn't think it because ashworth so well thought of and so beloved and popular and well light and affable and plays really attractive tennis and had a really good story. And it's a nice person but the actual like moments to get there that sort of one shining moment to use that term on the on the march madness. Finale day was at a record. This was pretty like anticlimactic. In a lotta ways met final against vandross tshuva that she one was i think the worst grandstand final of the decade. the women's side probably pretty comfortably it which just not a compelling match. It's not a good match. No one's ever watch that match willingly. It's just it's just not was not a nice piece of tennis through. No fault of ashes. Ashes left standing as the one left in the short one. Hundred twenty eight. And that's all you supposed to do to win the tournament. But filing sponsorship i think was anti climax dud the semifinal against any some was weird and compelling but weird and also it's an e simova a semi which is really unexpected to and so i think i think she she beat cannon which is when the age as well it big thing should be. Cannon who'd beaten serena and should be madison keys in the two rounds. Before that i believe but not like there was no statement when it's just kind of it ended and it was much of rain delays and stuff it ended and it was manson push on the same day as the final and stuff so it just it just was a weird side that party when it didn't feel satisfying and then she loses. Us open she loses at a semi's of australia's the solid run loose cannon. And then she goes away then. She won the final show in the finals from she also made the beijing final. Yes those are your which isn't small right but there wouldn't finals is a big one. I guess should not glossed over that. And that i think really did cement. Her number one pretty. Well that's a tough tournament. Obviously loaded field was the biggest prize. Money things change the record for that. So that was a big headline unloaded her as you mentioned in two thousand i mean whatever. Fifteen hundred points is the finals. I mean loaded her points which would eventually lead to a lot of discussions in the last twelve months of lake. How is she still number. One like all these things but a lot of is because of what she didn't twenty nine hundred dollars. You started. twenty twenty siamese. Also one adelaide. I do think though as much as for my own personal thing do as much as obviously winning finals is a big result. I'm not sure that it change a narrative at party per se or at least it it still like it still happens in like odd time zone for a lot of people I was in australia. Or whatever but it. I don't think it resonated in the same way that this miami win resonates for me. At least maybe my own personal experience of having not been attention you were there in shenzhen. It's different for us as individuals probably but again the is number one and choose not play during the resumption after the pandemic at the same time in the limited tennis she plays and she did not planning on your full schedule naomi osaka for emerges as being a world leader in po- wintry that got into the twenties before stopping in miami and it was very easy. People think own Is the best totally fair argument. I think a long time. Sure ashdod play in Kinda rough match to kill in the quarterfinals of the australian which is sort of a bit of a whimper way to go out of that term even she had had some decent wins in that tournament and she wanted to lead up event to roots in a final. That was a solid result even if again a smaller tournament i'm just sort of listing her results here but all is to say. I don't think the ash has had until miami like a big stage sort of like tennis consciousness again getting shenzhen from this but like those sorts of big wins that she reluctantly draw was was very credible very early. On in this tournament getting a kucova was messy. Matching her first match That she says match point in but then getting ostapenko who's a slam champ. Even if still a complete you know wildcard and some dangerous ways than as a rank of sabah lenka Lena than andress goo who. She's beating pretty handily before that match ended to retirement. Yeah i just thought it was just felt like she not in the retina order but like those are plenty of big wins at a big event. I i think people understand. Miami's a big event. Maybe even more readily than the tour finals which is silly but they do so. Yeah all that is to say. I think party finally backed it up and bharti was very aware of you mentioned for whispers like bardi was clearly and i asked her about this in their her post term. Press conference are sort of alluded to that And she and she was predefined defiant in this way that was pretty cool actually hopefully find some audio of it. Put it in here. So you can hear from congratulations. You've been number one in the rankings for a long time now and even for longtime that you were not traveling with the tour. The tour was stopped at that. So you feel like coming. Starting leaving australia again for the first time in a long time coming out here in miami winning title of this caliber you feel like you prove anything to your to yourself or to anyone else about about what you're still capable of and where game salat in terms of being a number one. Yeah i never have to prove anything to anyone I know all the work that i do with my team Behind the scenes and i know there's been a lot of lot of talk about the ranking but know i didn't i didn't apply to last year and i didn't improve any of my points whatsoever and yes i didn't drop but i didn't improve any i didn't play needle and girls who had the chance to improve this so i felt like i authority deserve Mossberg top of the rankings. A year that we had in two thousand and nineteen was Incredible incredible for us And you know to to be able to build on that now. What since the race dot for for us has been great but Certainly in my eyes we we come out here and do the best that we can Regardless of what anyone saying. So i never feel like i have to prove anything to anyone. Is that always easy for you when you were off in new hearing about. Oh nobody's not whenever once she's not playing soccer when slams robart wears bharti this the ever get to you at any point last year. No i mean everyone's entitled to their own opinion that sets absolutely That's absolutely fine. I i can't control what anyone else thinks. Or what anyone else says and For me i just keep trying to do do what we do And yeah i mean. I feel like we. We deserve to be to be top of the rankings. We've had such a fantastic season. And and also i mean i think everyone needs to understand that to to pandemic. It's it's probably a once in a lifetime thing for a lot of us to go through so it's a bit of a difficult situation but Yeah no it doesn't. It doesn't ever really get to me. I mean it's it's just it's what paypal paypal sign dot com change our opinion so it doesn't stress me out at cornell. You're pretty psyched for that. Answer of hers. What did you think of how each responded to that. I think it's great. I think that again sometimes with ash you know she does have the blinders on and or at least like she. That's why she speaks. She speaks as as someone who just has has carved out this very secure bubble for herself of. She doesn't watch much tennis. she doesn't really pay much attention to results. She doesn't really live within the tennis world. In the way that you're used to seeing top players do so it you know so for her to acknowledge that she has heard the whispers so her to acknowledge that yes she has heard you say she doesn't deserve to be number one. Yes she has heard you say died. She's a week number one or asaka should be number one or all these sorts of things. I thought that it was great for her. To basically say she's heard it and that she deserves it and that at the end of the day she you know she she always has that line of like. I know the work that i've put in it. It's no less than anybody else's and all that sort of stuff but you know. I think the key thing that ashish up which is a part of the discussion that around the number one ranking that people kind of conveniently don't discuss is that there were points to be had ash didn't yes ash did not play after doha. Twenty twenty that means that her points were capped. I mean she did not earn any more points after that she did. You know the finish line was there. If simona halep had one roland garros if she had played us open and cincinnati and done reasonably. Well hal up she probably would have been able to to overtake bharti even before roland garros but despite on all of that if she won roland she would've overtaken ash party Naomi osaka obviously incredible Run through the hardcore. She did however skip The clay season. That was two thousand points at roland. Garros it's just sitting right there. Rome is right there. You know all stras is a five hundred points were there to be had and if anybody wanted to overtake barty. The opportunity was there for them to do so. They did not do some middle east. Stephen for asaka to exactly exactly in february. I mean the naomi's skipped the nineteen hundred points. Doha and dubai and it would have been a clean one thousand hundred because they had not played doha dubai in twenty twenty. So i think it's like five hundred. Oh sorry yes yes. Yeah sorry. I was thinking the other. Yeah no it's fourteen so fourteen hundred four hundred forty four two hundred points but you know so. It's all there obviously in miami. You know the opportunity was there So it was great to hear body kind of acknowledge all that and in which is to say. I do think there is. I do get this vibe. That ash has come back. You know in twenty twenty one not with a chip on her shoulder. Because that's not who asked party is. She doesn't play like i really do believe when she says. I don't have to prove anything to anybody. I genuinely believe ash party. When she says that that being said she's a competitor she is the number one player in the world. She is looking at her results and what she did in twenty nineteen and she's kinda like really like y'all write me off that quick really you know and so for her to go into miami beat the players that she did play great tennis. I mean and this is the cruel thing about tennis. Is that to your point about the finals or you know doing well. You know we see this a little bit with kenan having won the australian open and then making the the final roland garros to incredible results. Unfortunately for sonia american two tournaments and americans don't really care about in the way that they care about the us open or they care about wimbledon or they care about india. Wells are miami right so it's hard to make a dent in in the psyche And that's not fair to the player. But that's just the reality of the landscape you know can can in specific interesting to journey on that. Because she was. I think ready for a moment to come when she was going to come back home to play indian wells and miami after being australia champ. She would have been a marquee player at those tournaments and would've gotten a lot of focus and a lot of like. Let's meet this american who just one australian attorney major champion. Then that those those opportunities for really her like sort of meat sonia kenan moments would have been the sunshine double of twenty twenty and she didn't get those so i think she saw missed her window. I mean bad luck on every level nobody a pandemic to drop down But yep so so. That's kind of the the wrinkle their but it just feels like now the way that bharti one miami beating the players that people talk about you know. Her best match of the tournament was against sabah. Linka that was an incredible match and then to be to spit alina who she had. She was one in five against who is tough out regardless and she routines or six three six three and then beating address. Goo- you know before and rescue world. Her ankle Beating visa you know regardless of form movie 'cause not playing great but fica holds holds the tennis public's imagination. Where if you get a win over oh okay and one of the recent win because the whole crux is not the right word but its first comes to mind. She's one of the sort of like feats you have to catch you know right. Essentially viga court very much. Like especially like miami miami. She free time miami champs so like doing that like i think in. Like if and when like bardi beat serena at a major it'll be like another big one that's like one of those achievements is like people take notice of cut through the noise why it's why naomi as naomi it's wide bianca bianca. You know i think i. I don't think that ash got like because of what i was saying about the fund of imagine that whole french open run in the bad french open. I don't think that janka got a clean. sorry. I don't think that ash gotta clean. Torch passed to her the way that actually in that in your third and final they owe me has and i think that with ash Yes there wasn't. There wasn't a sense of a coronation note. I think that the point that you made earlier is dead on. Which is that because of how people feel about ash how beloved she is behind the scenes and in the sport and how professional she is all these things in her game which you know. I don't know some people might not like. But i mean if you just look at it. Xs and os. It's like total tennis. It's perfect tennis. The when when ash plays it People like our so her so ash. Winning roland garros was able to paper over the deficiencies of her. Win at roland garros. Yeah i on which had never really thought about but it's totally true. So yeah you know. I mean like even in the finals the way that the groups broke out you know she didn't play bianca. She didn't play simona. she didn't play naomi like they. Were you know You know she beat. Petra was the the big win that she had their pulled out hermit. Yeah and you know so it was a little bit again kind of yes the finals but again the path just didn't really resonate people so i think that miami. I think that like what. I'm noticing right now. In the last six seventy two hours is just that there is now this discussion about bardy amongst commentators amongst fans amongst everyone. That wasn't really happening before. She went miami. And i think that it really legitimized her in a lotta ways and really cemented to people like ash. Bharti's legit and there was no reason to doubt that before if you just watched her play lake you knew how good she was but i mean the way that she threw it down in miami and just went about her business and in des. Yeah i i'm super impressed. We obviously know there's a long tradition of sort of side. Eyeing w number ones right going all the way back. I mean really. Obviously you know all the way back. But it's all about. I was gonna say going all the way back to I guess they in both got them before they got to know slams and then Dinara and jj in wozniacki for a long time and even on honestly kerber when she started really floundering while still hang onto ranking for a lot of twenty seventeen especially the it was different ashes not a slam with number one but it has been about twenty two months and she want her slam which is very longtime obviously through this flukes of the pandemic schedule and things like that but i just loved seeing how how her pride i guess in being number one in ownership of it and that she didn't shrink from it she didn't have to go to gaffney she didn't at all sometimes especially like kerber comes to mind. I can think of almost acted like embarrassed. Number one at times in her answers are seemed like defensive about it or just sort of like not trying to shrug away it and the ash obviously ashdod it in the moment of having just won a big title probably makes it easier to back yourself in have self confidence and self belief in all those things but i i got the sensitive. Was there before that too and how she and has she answered and that she just she's quieter much quieter presence Shortly but she's a much quieter presence in bianca who announced himself at every point in shouts the south expectations and and really brim through with confidence in just stage presence and all these things and ash is quiet but is in no way. Should that quietness be. I think she should today says about naomi too but in which that quietness mistaken for for weakness or meekness sir or anything of the sort to make herself smaller. This was ash party saying not only do. I deserve number one now. I have this whole time. And these other girls was her phrase wanting to get points they could appoint gotten points. And they all flopped. They all all all. He's giving flopped or or. They chose not to go after those points in the same way that i chose not to play like. It's so funny because the other thing too that that has kind of irked me with respect to the the the tenor of the conversation around bardy and her decision not to play during the shutdown or all of us share After doha is though like she just was like nah. That was not what happens like she. Literally because of the state lockdowns in australia could not like practice with her coach like they were in different states and ties. Couldn't get up to queensland for a while so that was one thing that was a big reason why she didn't come to. Us and then once. They did reunite maybe there was an for her to be able to get enough training and and everything to be able to compete on clay to defend role and girls and at the end of the day. You know she was like i for the health of my team. I don't really know what's going on. Flights in and out of australia were not easy. I mean not a lot of australians. Not a lot of. Australians played all last year there and lacking curious and curious still isn't playing. He's healthy and choosing to play because the travel will be too much and also he doesn't he also i don't want to minimize his. He doesn't he doesn't relish the idea of playing in bubbles and being in shambles separately. I don't want. I don't want knicks reasons. Okay i'm saying. I don't want knicks. Reasons to be conflicted with the reasons. Why ash did not play last year. Because she didn't like just not want to play there. Were actual logistical reasons. Why she couldn't play and i often would think. Like if this was asaka. If this was serena if this was know other marquee players on the tour who the who actually had pandemic related reasons as to why they couldn't travel couldn't train couldn't meet up with their coaches all these sorts of things and then they decided. I'm not gonna show up to a slam like underprepared. The people would give those players as much crap as people were giving party. I feel like people thought that ash was just the whole time like because of the the gift of the grand final like she was just kicking it drinking beers and hanging out in australia. And i mean that's just not. I mean maybe she was but she wasn't doing it because like she chose over tennis. She's doing it because like that's what the situation was also did rafael. Nadal defending champion. Play the us open last year. He did not and a lot of that. I'm sure was because he had to keep two thousand points right. The only person actually who tried to defend a title mid pandemic of any of the four Of the four day champions in the fall twenty twenty grand slams was rafa at the french open which is rafa open. Which was kind of a done deal is gonna win the thing like all the others were. I mean basically rafa in. Us and rescue in us and embarking in paris were an had some injury issues there obviously as well but we're all just like No can't keep all your points. A great incentive. Not to not to play when you're someone who is on the fence or as as reasons not to like and i say that you know not to not to call her like calculating in a bad way which people like but you looking at the points and she cares number one. You're and clueless. She does care one which is a nice thing to get it was a good number one ranking also that answer because it's like yes number one is the thing that's something to be proud of people are all vying for and it's title worth pursuing it. It's a meaningful moniker. It's not just sort of like all the chatter. It all the chatter of lake and we care about number one. Yes sure but at the same time lies. I'm sorry because you know. Even naomi she said after she lost his two to soccer like she was like you know everybody started talking to me about the number one. I think i'd get a i let that get to me. It's like oh. I thought you so you'll care so you know it matters. It's significant it's historic. It is something winning. A grand doesn't mean that you're the best in the world. The number next to your name does matter. On some level all players to basic rules for tennis noobs all players from the number one ranking and their rankings period rankings period. Yes and number on the monday as the money attached to it to the bonus. Did you get lots sponsored benefits for being the number sponsors. I'm sure like for example is paying her way more because she currently number one and has stayed number one then would be if she was just and there's other things for five ten to twenty whatever rondo all. That's a a a a no brainer right into the contract lake. And all your one we pay you more and all the players care about money to one a. M i think and then to the also read what's being written about them they all know and the people and the people who tell them like if let's say let's say for example. This didn't happen. But let's say i don't know like how said mike o. Bari doesn't serve number one and it got posted by like tennis world or something not even like a big deal thing but like a tennis world which is not great that like the number of people who had text that to ash within like thirty seconds of seeing the immense and ash would sit there and see and plotting revenge inhabitants a fictional scenario but like athletes all care and they're all competitors and they're all and you can't spell without petty in the middle right. So they're all even asher not petty. She is on levels petty. Because all the greats are. I don't think she's petty but she's competitive like she she she backs. I work my work. But yeah no i so. I think that the conversation is is is good. I think that it's great. That people are are kind of coming to grips and coming to terms with the fact that you know ash party is very good at ten. 'send that you know the wto does have this trio of of young players in in bardi and osaka and address q. In particular not to mention obviously shman tech kenan lake. You know golf coming up like you know all of these these young players But but those three because they've just had the opportunity in the time to build up their reputations are so interesting as as a trio so interesting as like this gradation of kind of like you have naomi and then you have ash then you have bianca this this yeah this spectrum of players who are so good who are so electric on the court who handle their business so differently but in always across all three of them all very graceful very like just like i mean i hate using the phrase because it's so been used in a way that i hate but like so good for the sport like to have you know naomi nash bianca. Kind of battling it out in. Hopefully we'll get more of that but Have the have have charisma. And not everyone has that does matter in a in a sport that so star-driven as as tennis is and let's just talk that we spent time which is great but gets another thirty but let's go to b. b. but let's talk about ball so bianca andress goo ranked number eight o'clock factor of the of the brings us and being what it is in miami. We were with our comeback australia right and we weren't sure what maker she pulled out of that up event sheffield again and And then she loses the second round. She plays a good first round in in australia against luzern. Who's your netscape. Dr buzz and Lose the second round two shades away which is no shame booth did play great match but still no shame losing to sway ever then honor. Yeah and then she plays brady would give her all right iconic for sure all right And then i want to ask her press conference where at like three. Am so there was like didn't feel so. I wanted to ask you about the birds match. She played the birds matching. It's frankel which was iconic age way should not be lost copa things on animal planet match surround phillips island trophy so funny talk actively funny maddison. Branko wanted to wanted to end a bird. It was it was so funny. It was really respect animals. Peter whatever but like it was really funny anyway and rescue comes with some mixed mixed signals. Doesn't play middle east right and comes to miami still received number eight Which both feels like too low and too high at the same time because he just haven't seen her but also she's amazing and we know when she's on she beats everybody and she makes the risk of the jobs needs some over and kind of scrappy kind of match beats mugabe route so in was a big blockbuster in the fourth round Magritte's been kind of play winningest player of the year player to beat Then she went a very physical match against with this decades. Irani and sarah serreze tormo terms. Just playing these like attrition physical loopy matches. There's super that brand stuff actually play thing this week. So that's exciting for people who enjoy already. We're already packing our lunch. Ables yes that one and then she beats marie soccer who had beaten asaka there and before another title match thurs at tie-break and then she is losing to bharti and rolls her ankle. But like bianca's one of the people who has such a factor. It's hard to articulate totally. But she when i watch her especially. I said this her impressive Not sure it was really a question. Whatever but like it's almost like a little bit of like being the rich man. It's corrosive where i've seen so little of her relatively but almost everything i've seen of her winds. I've seen you address losses. That actually don't envision her losing and she just does this thing in asaka also senator peak to were just like you kind of trust that she's going to pull out matches. The has that sort of factory to do it. And i think her legend certainly did not shrink in the first roses from especially. That's the soccer match. I was always like if it's close like beebees got it and i still felt that way and then she still has that sort of magic in her. After all this time off tour a lot on the shelf. I was impressed. You know. there's there's. I don't think i've seen a player like bianca rescue on either. The whitman's women's side to be completely honest there. Is this the charisma that she has on the court and even off court but especially on court in match is is for someone who's who's successful. I mean obviously there are players who have like incredible charisma on-court but they're not a successful as andress goo in terms of like being open in in letting you can think of a corny. I can think of like you know these players who draw you in and make you a part of it. Even simona i think is is is a player that similar in terms of like bringing you in but but it's nothing like what. What address does i think. The one who reminds me that outside to the one who sort of reminds me that it's like peak. Say or like most expressive serena when like serena's in like big man and i like at most demonstrative be kind of that way like a lot. Yeah no that's actually. That's actually a really good call because there is also there. Is that That that outward charisma that energy that that draws you in and like just. It's almost like she's just get on my back. I'm carrying you through this. let's go. Let's go roller derby intimidating. To in a way to you feel like she's making her presence known to the crowd to herself and to the opponent. And i'd also like the thing with like she said this before but like matches become about her right. She is the protagonist of every match. She plays with it. I think is three and ask. Yes no i agree with you. I think i'll pass serena. I haven't seen a player like this until bb Where it the matches about her. Whether she's winning whether she's losing with she's down in the scoreline scoreline. It's about her. it's about whether she's playing well not playing well making bad mistakes and you know but she has this ability To flip things to turn things around him. And even when i mean soccer is served for the match in the third set and when she stepped the line house i traffic is going to break the i i was like. There's no way this is closing out unless bb hits four errors but I just don't see it. She has this ability that you just can't teach and you can't. I don't know dude like she's so special to me she's special. You probably remember. Or maybe don't remember twenty nine thousand nine. Us open before. The women's finals serena address q i came up to you and i was like interesting is going to destroy her like i was hurt me. I was like this match is not closed and it really wasn't as close as it was like. What like six hundred the. Us open crowd was closer in scoreline than it than it should deserve to be bakery full basically for most that matt it was one it was one in six one in five in the but it should have been one to think anyway but like that's the thing like when you see she just has its way of just feeling thanos lee in general right where she dislike is like i got like she feels like she just impose herself and is in control and get you need them except that she's not and that's the thing is that because what is it. Eighty percent of her completed matches and twenty twenty. One have gone three sets birthday all end with her winning right. Most of them yes. She lost a boost. C-a-b-a c-a-b-a marissa. Oh in it. Melbourne ya phillip island. Yeah but yeah. It's the thing is that she still it. I mean the comparison is apt. I get it. I hope to gosh. It doesn't pan out the same way but it still potrero. You know it is it. Is you know this was a comparison that that was floating around on twitter. I think a lot of us were like how by not thought of this before But it is she she brings you in in a way that that poacher kinda does obviously marred by injury as well but the thing about bibi is that if she was bringing you in dominating it wouldn't be as compelling but she literally puts on this two and a half hour like one woman monologue on broadway off broadway literally on broadway lake and commands that that that presence in that that attention and it's i just was so pleased for her and happy for her to be able to put up the results in the performances that she did in miami that beating the players that she did was legit but also the fact that she had to play different styles. Tennis to do it. You know i mean with a niece amoah anisimov a flat hitter very aggressive and and bianca kind of had to match that and then with with muka roots are eating tactically. Perfect tennis mugadza did go into miami. Quite fatigued Like so a little bit of an astronaut not asterisk but a note of context there so wasn't the best of gorby but but but again And dress able to fight through physical ailment in that match and beat the hottest player on tour saribas torah tormo would just was a fitness test. It was pure and s. T played an annual match lake. I know that she's going to get those comparisons to ronnie. And i know that. And that's not a bad thing. I mean i think if you were to tell ronnie. Yeah exactly if you're gonna make to roland garros finals and be a top five player one but yet to did she play through just maria. Good one is still great one awesome. I mean more than accept some slam semis in there to. She made of seven. The next year smith semi. Us open she. She was a good player. Yeah yeah no samples like she was good. Yeah no shoes and if you were to tell. Sst like that would be her career. She would take it in absolute heartbeat But i do think that there is something about the way that saribas tormo place for tennis. That i find far more not far more sorry. It's compelling to me it. Somehow it speaks to me in a way that i don't know why and i can tell a very funny sir. Sarah superstorm oh not funny but interesting story about sc later but Yeah i you know to get to that physical tasks against her against soccer. You played a great match and to come through in in in that tiebreak. Unbelievable i just. I'm glad that beebees back on the board I'm glad that maria andres skew got good camera. Time coco and rescue was bringing bringing it and looked amazing and also kind of bored. And there's a. I think it was a problem. That cook just was not at the final. I feel like how can cocoa be there the whole time and then not show up at the final and then. Bb rules are ankle. I mean causing effect. I'm just saying. I'm not a scientist by play one on. Tv math checks out completely. Yeah so yeah address. She takes a lot of space in this way. I think it's really interesting positive. Inner presence and her belief and everything and yeah. just she's magnanimous. I have to say this about bb lake. Irby got like. I've never called her baby to her face. Like i don't know why it But her mom and at the net with with saribas tormo was was really sweet merely nice So complimentary of her. So complimentary of body After that match. I loved her quote about kind of like. I've seen her play on tv. But it's totally different playing against her. And i will say this about al going back to if you listen to naomi talk about bardy. Naomi knows how tough bard is to ash. Serena also believe it. Have you ever seen the serena course but actually it's like yeah anyway. Yeah petra petra in her friends but like. I always found that interesting because i think asaka was asset at the australian open. What would it be like. Or what player. Who are players that you would love to play in a grand slam final. And she was like. I'd love to play via tag and dress. Coup would be coup. And obviously it's australia so they'll impress we're like what about ash bharti. And naomi's whole demeanor changed. She's like i do not want that like basically like i do not want a piece of that lake. She is tough to beat and naomi's beaten her but she knew how tough that was and bianca kinda had the same reaction after playing in the final. Just kind of like that was. That was not easy like you know. She's so much she so good. And so you know kinda listen to the other players like in terms of if you if you underestimate bharti's game trust me. Her competitors do not. But yeah so. But i thought that was really nice as well is just miami being the the tournament of the very famous. Yes drama quaint. Ever yes yep and feeling like and rescue totally agrees like. I don't think that bianca really like i. One of my favorite things that bianca did after that moment was that she posted it to her own in stories with like laughing emojis. Like i was like wow. This crew is different. This is different. Because i just have never seen something like that. But she was like ha ha you know and but she is and in a great way in a great way. I think i said this during the us should move on other stuff to for forty five minutes but bianca is the one when we were doing our book club. Discussion of venus envy. I was like she would fit in this era of big personalities. Like sort of you know young and like super coaches and super full confidence and now one not afraid to and stuff and she finally nicer than most people in that book but like but she's still like sold punny hard edge and plenty like feisty competitor in like fiery in all sorts of good stuff. So yeah i thought it was a huge common. That fit him though problem. No totally. I mean she she. Yeah i mean. I i say it all as a a massive compliment. I think that it's pretty clear like i. Just think the world of our. I think that she handled things very professionally. She doesn't take those potshots. You know good about kind of how she goes about things and recognizes great opponents and great play when it happens and is is humble while at the same time and this may be a bit of a canadian thing Which we've seen in the past but but with genie and and you know other other canadian players but Where whenever people doubt her. I feel like bianca also is kind of in the back of her head kind of being. Like what have i done to make. You doubt me. Yeah it's a little bit of the same ash has this as we discussed already. And naomi has this As we've discussed in the past of like why do you think i wouldn't come through. Why would i not be ambitious. I've proven i have every right to be as ambitious. I am so yeah great to have bianca back on the board looking forward to seeing her Play natural services which we haven't really seen yet and i'm super curious to see how that pans out super curious also segue to see how that pans out for asaka who had her long twenty-three believe it ended up. Twenty three match win streak all our courts and in the quarterfinals of the miami open pretty abruptly pretty decisively six love. six four against maria zachary How do you so asaka. The power rankings number. One going to miami had a chance to get the number. One ranking if miami and ashton make the final also suggested totally controller destiny there but Especially because ashton made the final as it turned out. But how how do you think this. How do you think Sorry how do you think. Naomi goes in to the European part of calendar with this With the streak ending them now. Because we like you know. We don't get to see her that often like she plays a pretty scant schedule for such a young player. So what do you make from this data reading. F of ami i think in a lot of ways a blessing in disguise for asaka to to kind of Have the the winning streak end in especially and not to take anything away from from ria soccer in that match because she played it perfectly tactically in both execution wise. Naomi did not play well in any way shape or form and what we have seen. Is that when osaka loses. She loses big. I mean like you know you have this. Car zachary match you know getting bagels. She got to restore. Oh in fed cup. That was her last match. You know thirteen months ago. Her loss to go off at the australian open was absolutely terrible. like naomi things that she played worse or played worse against sacree. I think she still played worse in in against off. That was just a terrible match from her. Those matches happen in those matches. Tend to happen. When she's feeling the pressure you know she she said now you know months later you know i did not want to lose to coke off in that match and she came out and play tight and then playing fed cup. You know coming off of that match not in a great head space and then you know the pressure plan for japan and all these sorts of things playing on clay. Which is you know. She is a little bit her head. Well just plays a terrible match against sst and then A little bit with with with soccer as well. And and and naomi had chances to pull that one around she had a break a lead in the second-set and zachary to or credit that naomi really relinquish the lead so much as sacree came back and just like took it. Elevator game includes it out in two sets. But i think that it's a good thing Grand scheme of things that that osaka goes into the clay season with out the pressure of your on this winning streak and you can't be beaten like okay that's done And can go in clean you know because again on clay. She's great and she can only get better and her twenty. Nineteen clay season was fantastic. She made semifinals quarterfinals madrid. I think quarters rome. Maybe and in las third round wrong girls to senac of a Which was a pressure adult loss in a lot of ways because she would you know one. Us open one australian open. She had in her mind. Maybe i could get the quote. Unquote serena slam. You know if. I win roland. Garros and wimbledon. Or at least like she had she. She had all these ideas in her head of what she wanted to do that year. And it kind of came crashing down at roland garros but Yeah i i think that it's good. I think that you know. Yes in. Probably well if i would put her i don't know would you put her power rankings. One right now. Well now it gets interesting absolutely was before open and i don't know where ash sat on the power rankings. Actually before i'm not sure she was number two. I don't know where i would've put ash magritte's at number two muka russa to any winning recency buys. You could even do something like brady in the top five. There's different things you could do with the goal on the top ten again depending on how you measure your stuff and how much cover for surface and whatever else but yeah i think now they go in kind of like in a fairly dead heat and ashley i did ask did win. The last french open but Got thrown a clay title. That's her only title as a. We're as noted previous linda. Show our go not the most the most convincing title on paper and so yes. So we'll see we'll see but it's just i hope i hope again. These three we've talked about for the show asaka. Andros gu Artie help they all play. Good clay schedules and play each other and not to mention all sorts of other names. With a hallam serena shield tactics. She beyond tech. Yes exactly defending champion there Plus whole bunch other security. Because of a it's it's pre- it's pretty good right now. It's pretty good right now. It's pretty good. Let's talk about things that are pretty good. Let's shift okay. Brief shot up. Before i go to the men brief out to on a fourth round. That was nice to see hope for getting hit. Forty winners against e. tech to out even had twenty seven You know i wrote in my insider wrap in this was related to bianca but it also obviously relates economy as well Canoe ke- there's like a. Apparently it's like a little more southbound joe. Yeah it's i. I always thought that was a silent age. But it's it's canoe But that Yeah tennis is a very cool sport. Insofar as it's very what have you done for me lately at a sight out of mind you know because the tour is just unrelenting. Just propels forward. There's new talent all the time. New results new storylines and so what i wrote. I wrote that with relation to address who like went into miami and reminded us why she is bianca. Andress coup And why she excites us. So much. And i feel like the same applies to on you. I think i think that even for myself. Like i definitely forgot what made on a cognac. So good like. I knew that she had a big ball and all sort of stuff but i mean i just i just forgot and watching that sheehan tag match. I was just kind of reminded. And she'd beaten keys the match before me. She had back to back top. Twenty wins twenty or top. Twenty five wins Great to have her back on the board and you saw to the locker room reaction. I think like her cohorts and everybody. Who's playing on tour with her. Like everyone really respects a lot and understands her talent so four after four surgeries on her arm back and playing that type of all good stuff. The accuracy and number is still popular. People know also which has been through some understanding of it and she'd been a player remember back to the previous players remember in like circa when naomi i getting on twitter. She was relatively late. Joyner twitter yes. I remember her tweeting on eyebrows. Yeah do that. They're great new. I asked her or us. Her about it Naomi at australian. Open that year brisbane that year. One of us definitely. Because it's in the transcript. If people wanna look it up on asap was like so. I think it was me. I'm pretty sure like. So what's the deal with you and these tweets with donna cognac. and it's a very endearing exchange. Yeah with with naomi. So those of you who are tweets are patriots. Got the alert about it. Know that coordinate livestreamed rushing commentary of simul watching the men's miami open final which was nc special of many sorts between Senator who you all know if you listen to show it all know that i think will win everything immediately and it's just it's just it's just a you know a messianic figure really in the sport let's just put it that way and versus Courtney's save huby here. Cash courtney was convinced would win nothing. His career and excited about delray beach. Be back. step down the coast line with a really surprising win. Even this like open field. I don't think we thought it was her cash open. Well it might have been her catch open except for. His actual path was a winning. Was like no one would have been like. Qb's totally josh bell. Apart huey did not easy matches may started against khuda not the heart like better than his reign or dangerous raking will defend kula for awhile shapovalov in its first seed match number six seed then rhonette who i thought would could win the title of Branch will country In third that breaker then beat sits pause them beats rube love and then be center. I mean that's pretty darn good for four. What the draw had. That's kind of everybody in the draw. Literally everyone in the draw like thirty people that everybody's like ooh. Yeah that was the draw based sure. Yeah yeah so and some others But so it's poss- and rube levels. I will not respond to it put. What did i say. An rube love of both were clearly. I think feeling the pressure of like. Oh wow this is like open. I can win this. Master's especially like was open about that in in his press afterwards. Just like yeah. You know i knew Said they said it onto re-paraphrase has way curious what you think. According to more big picture about what a sort of how a her catch center masters final sets up the tour or official one off and also just like what to make of this miami field and the lack of attendance by the big guys. I mean like arguably like the five biggest stars most accomplished players say in in tennis murs kind of category at this moment but like the big three and team. Who's the us open brain champ. We're not there. Plus you know like curious. Whoever else wasn't there wasn't there more do you make of of this of this. Miami openness a sort of sort of document on the men's game right now eight hundred outsider ticket away. I don't know like. I mean it could either be a watershed moment. That triggers a sea change going forward or it was completely a hermetically sealed result because of the thirty players. That didn't play you know and leaving it open and you know obviously you know we see that that what happens when the big three are not an event a big event that obviously creates opportunities and that those opportunities created trickle down event a trickle down effect of a lot of pressure for the players that are favored to to take over because of the big three are not there And also opportunity for players who you would never consider being ones that would beat the big three in order to get their hands on that sort of title. I think that we see these results quite frequently. Yeah well i could be wrong. Atp outsider asterisk but like bear see is an event where because of the calendar you know before before before the finals and all that sort of stuff it doesn't usually get a full field and when it hasn't had the big three playing which is probably more frequent than any of the masters events It has a wonky wonky results. I mean ferrari yanowitz a final eject. Salk has one that as a masters event check suck won that tournament. I wanna say top my head. I believe he played benneteau and then cry innovation less surrounds that tournament. I think so you know huby. Her earned his. It's interesting are you with the narrative have been a lot of cake. Finish them at all. Go just outside of the big three. Not being in miami huby earned his crap. I say crap not. I don't mean crap i mean i was gonna say the cuss word of it but i just decided last minute not to say it but it sounds like i'm just like being huby earned. Shit he did like. I mean to go through that. Draw into win fucking tip your cap. Like bro earned it. So i think like a lot of ways it's it could be a triggering event for hubert hurkacz you know and his assent and from my discussions with the atp insiders you and rim That that that you know that next generation of players has a tremendous amount of respect for huby and his game and you know see as a threat and all that sort of stuff which is great But i don't know i'd in the grand scheme of things. I don't know what twenty twenty one miami means to the men until you know we won't know until twenty twenty two you know what i mean like. We could look back and be like. Oh you know robert. Frost style like two paths. Diverged in miami happened and that is the path that we're on. It's okay if if center had won that final. He but he said guten a good semi in particular. It's like a solid veteran. But he didn't really have the murderers row type run that he the the real credibility the resume but center would have fit more sort of like pre anointing like. He's been ahead of schedule for him to win a masters for sure thought both these guys are outside. The top thirty coming into the tournament said whether it was to win a master's yet but he's trending very often is obviously gets loud. Talk from from various you know extremely handsome tennis commentators. Who think he's gonna do wonderful things in the sport but but but he he wins and it's more the road is better but i don't know people think as long term prospects how that changes that conversation i don't know i think it gives it gives them sort of a calling card when he's in the in the The nothing doing these ceremonies in paris but if there was like a sort of espn years open style draw ceremony in the french open. Let's say they would spend more time talking about huby a little blurb but there's the miami jim it's it's a calling carpet it's he can hang his hat on. It's it's it's really thin on his head very well recently. Put it off bless. His head is so square Yeah no for sure. I mean going back to obviously discussion that we had an hour ago about ash. Miami matters miami. You know and he would coach. Winning miami means more. I think than you were winning. Bear see same level event but like miami. You know what. I mean like it it just it just it it. You know it used to be the yes yes yeah. Yeah you know so Yup i mean it's a great result for him. Who knows what it means. It goes in and it's it's similar to you. Know the the the years i mean we were saying this as the segue into this into this segment about the men of which is kind of like the wto and really really sweet place right now in terms of the depth than in terms of its stars and kind of come together and all the match ups that we've already gotten in twenty twenty one or amazing it's taken time to get there and you know it has re you know there have been you know while. I don't feel this way about those finals because i personally think that every finals a really big deal for each individual player and i don't i just don't really shit on it one way or the other but you know you are going to have you have to have these sorts of finals in order to build to a place where you have like ten fifteen twenty players that everyone really respects the reason why we respect the fifteen twenty players on the wto that we consider the depth of the tour is because fifteen twenty players have one massive titles things have been spread around yes and so we and now he has his calling card now. Ubs conversation needs a masters champ. Again that a lot of people in this like looking at the straw like rhubarb still on a masters champ but he saw gustav masters champ ranch salona master shampoo hits on masters champ. That's a meaningful achievement unlocked in men's tennis. It's a very clearly defined group. I think maybe more than the women's how they how it's branded and everything like master shantha. Count him any you have. It's a whole. it's a whole thing. So he gets there and gets centers in masters final and stuff too. And i think it's i also think it reflects conversely whatever on the guys who didn't win the tournament You know your pastas your rube webs. Especially who are both looking for their first one and both talked about as being big favorites for the title of method of a little bit but also. He's been doing much better lately so maybe less pressure. In that way descends. Things are hard and also they have this like it's tough when you're considered a favorite tournament like ruble of was it even though it doesn't feel by in terms of the draw but looking names who were left like it's tougher than the five hundred. He's been winning. But it still is a step up at still meaningfully different to beat these players at a five hundred versus one thousand versus a slam and it's not a says all the time with regard to let people be best of five is what makes slams top. It's like none of no slams is what makes lamps tough like go ask. Your schalke's are your lena's fiddle lena's whoever you want to say it's a yes blanca for. Oh yeah for sure. Like hallett before she finally broke through. There's a palpable pressure when it comes to to playing that if regardless of of of a format change yeah no for sure. So yeah no i. I think. Obviously it's great. I'm happy with with with huby winning. Of course I thought it was really cute. I had no idea that huby and yannick. We're good friends so that was. That was quite an adorable moment. He doesn't know how to kiss a trophy or another human being. That was also adorable. You know what a king what a stud. What a champ. what. Google people looking forward to seeing posters next year. The the the the the idea of that square head on the side of dolphin stadium. I love it you talk. You talked about it in our library. But can you briefly that people think you've seen this show before but just because it's a huge moment. Can you talk about who. Who reminds me of shirley ny. Yes so i became the world's biggest hubert hurkacz fan Mainly because i watched him play at the corner of my eye once and all of his mannerisms between points looked exactly like andy murray the way that he walks the way that he grabs the towel the way that he readies to return serve Grabs the balls all of it it. Just it's so. Andy murray and that's how i became a he. Were her catch stan. Nothing else Grew thankfully he's a pretty good tennis player as a in addition to being eddie murray impersonator. Yeah good time early pleasant guy by all accounts. Yeah like super nice guy like i. Anybody who is in our knows like he would her koch absolutely in my wheelhouse of like players to stan which is a super nice human. Being who courtney just honestly hopes wins things but doesn't have high hopes that they will but just wants them to have to be happy. Those are that's my stable of people. And he he was there and now you know. He's only eight masters away from from being a golden masters. Guy jokey mike. Yeah get the jokey mont boy like now. The expectations like fucking one miami. Go fucking them all be like jesus waiting for a flock to carry it away. Were getting carried away so couple. The players want to mention from the straw who made impacts Again the notion of miami being a big stage in terms of how it's presented certainly in the us media even if for the first time it wasn't on a never got tennis channel which did doesn't change perceptions of it and stuff and have a running impact in the future but the the first time that tennis channel would got to be around for extended periods around at the the the guy we know Sasha alexander boob. Nick blick and tennis channel adored him. They loved him as they show much. They couldn't get should. He was on the mike he was like. They brought him into studio with with precaution his arms and it was just like it he was just going wild and it was like such a great like broadcast interview did not have high out and they knew much about him or i don't know maybe they did. Maybe they didn't like it seemed like there. Were like whoa. This is different than our corrosive because he's from kazakhstan alexander who wouldn't necessarily think that he was like as as fun as as he is. Excuse fun i mean he's basically our third co host on npr. Sasha i mean he he's just he's he's he's wonderful. His game is wonderful. His just flippant attitude about everything and just being super chill and also just being one of those challengers guys. You know who knows everybody who doesn't take things too seriously because you know a lot of times obviously the stakes are big for regardless of level of event for every player but you get the sense with sasha bubbles that he's a professional tennis player that is his job. You know like he. He makes money playing tennis which is so different than what we conceptualize for the stars of the sport who like they're playing for prestige and legacy and i mean sasha levels making a living with this phrase before on the pockets meantime perfect way. You've professional there was about his ability to clock in and out rice like he does not tie his self worth up in. Whether or not he beats taylor. Fritz in the fourth round yeah. He did doesn't care in this case but he did not like. Yeah you know he can get his butt handed to him by by center and be and be like what the fuck man like. What are you fifteen years. Old what the hell all the and ribs very cute actually enter doesn't know what to do like he's just like you know because it's a different type of attitude you know when to to you know and so it's great to see bubbles having a great twenty twenty one And the more as ncr has known for many a time if you get a chance to put the bubbles on the mike. He put the bubbles on the mike absolutely very good audition for him filling space. It's been nothing bearing the mersin we haven't like ernest goal was not been around very much. The sport is lost. Bubbles is a goal. This is kind of globus esque in some ways. He's a little more serious. He's not a serious and he's not like learned but you know he's but he's still like He's still like a sharp guy does not care. Who will happily go against the current like his answer was notably. Not what any other guys were saying. I'm just didn't like just like it's not like it was either like eight. Gb talking points either or whatever but it just sort of like. How like the in a way that was better than the mid it sounded at least more compelling than that has made what imply and the guy is just lasting bubbles. My point about the whole professional thing is that this is a guy again. You see it in the answer of appear to be there. Yeah lake that dude. Ain't losing sleep about what the pta's bylaws are or what why thirty players out of the top one hundred or not there or why. What the bubble product like. He's not sitting there complaint like he's just like yo i'm here i'm here to do a job to the best of my ability on that given day and then i move on with my life and it's fine like i find it to be a breath of fresh air and yes. Sasha bubbles big ups. Sort of person is a finalist miami who wanted to talk briefly until we talk about really ever on the show before is a sebastian korda who i think who was i watched more of during this term and i think i probably ever say is good. He is like he is so good and like so like seem so ready. And there's there's a stat For the first time 'cause is ner was defending final points and some of them stayed on but a lot of and drops a is. There is no longer american. Number one numeric number one. Currently is taylor. Fritz who have noted the rankings but i think fritz is ranked like twenty eight or twenty nine now. He's one of the lowest bars. There's ever been our lowest lowest peaks for those rungs. Whatever for the american ever understand. I mean lowest. The american mets are wants urban. I remember when it was news. Ten eleven years ago when the first week we american top ten and now week. There's barely anybody. The top thirty All as to say i think in terms of like confused power rankings phrase quarters like the guy for me right now her tennis. He's like he looked so completely already. He's like clearly making for some time in terms of pandemic whatever very solid type hundred now. He tough draw that he worked his way through really compellingly. He beat fini in his rodney albert And then he'd be panini in his first match against the number ten three destroyed. Kurat says who is like the guy and then beat diego schwartzman in like a tough three center before losing in competitive two sets Five and six to rube love so like he's really good. He's looking at such a complete player. Schwartzman's repeatedly compared to burdette. Should i think actually. It's pretty comparison between he cleans throw very clean striker. Maybe not quite as impactful of a service. Burge added his peak. You'd probably weapons that a little bit more A better mover. Probably than berdych or more natural mover and just like his his court. iq is really really high constructs points. Well competes really well again like those matches against like like schwartzman. It's like it's like a tuft of out to get when you're short breaks all the time and stuff so like it's a those were really impressive matches and just like i. It seems to have a good head on his shoulders and obviously comes from a family. That knows its way around sporting success. And he's absolutely somebody be buying major stock in. I had not seen court hit a tennis ball until miami and part of that was a little bit not intentional. Like i was going out of my way but but there was a part of me. That was very resistant and very cautious when it came to him because it just felt like so much of his hype was narrative related And again because i hadn't seen him play but it was like okay. So you're the peter korda and your sisters are are great. Lpga players and you guys have cute. Interactions on mom was up thirty two. Yeah mom was pop. Wtop thirty and oh here. Photos of of Savvy and his sister's doing the peter korda job like it all just felt like it was like cute in a funds story and easy 'cause he was married excited about the story a little too easy of a story where i was like. Oh like my instinct was. Oh you're just hyping this because there's so many hooks that work you know. So i didn't see him play until miami and but i watched him against Wirtz men. I guess i guess what would have been the first time that i watched him In the tournament and i was absolutely floored absolutely blown away. I think that like i was blowing up our group because i was just like yo like semi quarter good at ten. This like i did not expect this Just so clean so balanced Backhand up the line so effortless. Yeah i was just totally blown away and impressed Absolutely ready for him to be come. Probably sooner than than later. American number one and into really be that guy. I mean you just nothing about his game. Seen everything about his game Felt like well the deficiencies that if there were any that you saw in court his game were just ones that had to do with physicality and experience. It had nothing to do with like. You're just like you don't know how to do that or like you know. Everything was so technically perfect tennis. Iq great he'll just get stronger. Just get faster. Just become more experienced so much like there. I was like genuinely floored. And truly like i was like i. I will tune into this kid's matches. Like i will watch him play tennis. It seems really cool. He's part of that sizable czech-american content. That's coming up in tennis. Kayla day was the first way that she's not really panned afrique day but now korda Nicole martin damm junior. Who's another good who's like super tall. Like slotted natural gifts pro is in court sort of age group roughly. I'm not sure what he's doing it the pros. I haven't heard of him since the days but another -nother notably son of a check. Atp player who's now playing for the us. The car was going to mention to Who was born in czech republic. believe and Yeah so yes his tennis also say there got sidetracked for myself His tennis does not look like typical. American men tennis like it has some of the characteristics. Some of the power. The aggression look smears played on hardcourts but he has a backhand better than forehand. I mean the other american guys dumped on the my saying barely top thirty. They're american guys are are doing. And obviously it's a tough Sanitary but i think slow and talked with today in charleston was hearing from. You is a tough time for everybody right now. It's not the best time to be harshly. Judging anyone right now but the sort of trajectories for that group That was considered of that. That was really sean junior group. Which is your fritz. Kioko rally palca and tie paul. Were all sort of in the same age range. They're not making the next steps. They're getting into being top. Fifty players are ashington of polish top. Fifty at the moment or ever been tough of to actually. But they're getting towards their him. At least i'll in a bunch of draws and sep not really making breakthroughs in big winton. It does feel like quarter is velocity right. Now he's gonna move. Pass them like you said being number american. Everyone soon seems likely again. The rankings are molasses. Who knows how long that'll actually pass them. But yeah his his just seems to be on a different different arkan. Those guys do you had a good tournament though. Yeah he did actually made fourth round He beat Dan evans and live h. And stefanos trivia. All three set wins repeatable. Four and three to evidence of your government for for france. Now yeah no. It's been the one. Actually i would single out saying like. He's obviously at a tough time to clearly. Lake people see on social media to. He's finding things tough right now. In a way that. I totally understand respect and give Space for but he's someone who thought would like come on strong be played pushing towards like top twenty now they're not in the pandemic And there has been a pandemic so there's the bears the brakes. He lost the first match. Like four. tuta. Papa which is sort of a non carriers offer apopka anyway That's that's miami and and the tours Do you wanna say. According with we they talked about us. Another shows talk about a bunch of happened more than two about two weeks ago. Now fashek pospisil in the first round of miami had match She played Wasn't sure why he was playing. He said at some point in the match He's playing against mackey mcdonald and lost the first set and had a lot of feelings. Come out about Which i played the clip of naps. I did with David yaffe bellamy. Who article for bloomberg businessweek about All the backstage struggles in men's tennis mostly men's tennis for this sort of again. it was just. It was just a really really unique moment of because so many times. When i've even editors i've worked with really do know and care about tennis. I try pitch backroom. He stories or stories gimelstob stuff or whatever. The player council things are like. Does anyone care that. This isn't really like a stuff. It's very inside baseball in the weeds. This is the first time. Ever think of like backroom stuff like legitimately happening like mid match on-court like a monologue about it all these feelings coming out and all this like slot feelings with a whole lot of feelings what what what do you make of that That moment whatever you want to say about it. I mean caveat being let me i'll just say it straight up. I'm not gonna say very much about it Given that i am employed by the wpa No i mean just obviously a tough moment for pospisil but at the same time it the part of it that was Especially in you know the days afterwards with all the players rallying to his defense and support on twitter and you know and just in general just the way that the incident went down and how it was perceived. I guess is is kind of the angle that i'm gonna come out with Yeah it was really hard for me not to watch all that and to see all the reaction it'd be like if that was a w tape player this would not be reaction that bothered me a low not bothered me but that was one of the big things that i was left thinking about lake. Thinking about. You know serena you know at the twenty eighteen. Us open And and having you know that moment with with carlos and all that sort of stuff and you know how she was vilified in lot of ways like an end criticized and oh women are too emotional. Oh this this and that and then to see that happen and everybody be like well he you know he's having a hard time through. He's you know he got he. He got yelled that well. Okay sure and like again. I'm not gonna like no. I'm not gonna say that he shouldn't feel the way i mean. Your feelings are valid. Because you feel them. But i'm just saying the reaction to it was not the same and that all say. Yeah because he should be vilified for it. Like i'm not saying the reaction should be the same is how people react to the women. I'm saying that like oh maybe people could be a little bit more graceful and thoughtful when they talk about the women and honestly some of those players who were rallying to support a pospisil had very strong feelings. About what what. Serena did at the us open and how she's conducted herself in the past. So you know a little little eyebrow raise on my part with respect to that. But that's as far as i go in my thoughts on the thing. But i'm sure i'm sure that you have you have much more interesting thoughts on the whole shebang. I say like the that point. This sociological point. I totally by the bodies. Our podcast listen to earlier today. Their most recent one that they talk about this and and jonathan same point like added benefit was a woman in how when men express emotions anger. It's like righteous or like thou aggressive in his way that scene is like fitting with with masculinity. But i thought the whole sort of moment and it goes completely in it. It's bad for pd completely distracts from like this sort of topic. I don't think it raises. Awareness would be defeated. It's not what happened here at all. That's just not the spin this. No sir nor ma'am what just like thinking in any job. If you were on camera or on. Mike are on recording like talking that way about the ceo of your company of your employer like you. Don't have that job anymore. The stakes would be very real and yeah and like the the response from the so. That's one part. I mean if it fits into this long thing. This is against sociological that. I've been to start work on. Atp hashtag adp spend a white guy challenge like. There's just so many options for atrocious behavior lately among the caucasian rank and file of the atp players. Going from ben pair tanking every match. He plays and spitting on things just being gross and just not a value. Add put liley for the sport. Whatever the heck jamir jim. Damir jimmer was doing in that match in acapulco where he was threatened the on. You look like you have seen that. That's a mess. Don't i'll show you that. The clip it is it is it is like how he said the sport or how he didn't get anything and so planned draws it's a joke And then go like things. Like sam query not getting suspended for the whole private plane situation lack no investigations or interest from the tour and basil's failure some others with abuse like slots -tunities for the to suspend a white guy and they haven't done it so i'm just pick your pick but yeah but the the any other job talking that way about your which is have consequences has not had any because i just. I'm just going to interject right now. Because we were all there In cincinnati twenty nineteen on the court with with curious and everything that happened there and how much he was fined and suspended months later for that and and even incidents. It's it's hard for me to look at other things and be like these are lesser than that like. These are more these make tennis. Look better then. What nick did as i said. That's a little wild to me as i said. Atp suspend a white guy challenge as far looking back through my memory of atp suspensions for conduct. It was curious and then before that it was curious. And i can't think of any others like and there's just there's just more common that ever get anything with the coin thing or no at wimbledon and that was also grand slam and so at there there've been stronger punishment for things like fanini got defaulted from the us open like for what he said from doubles but still got defaulted so there have been disciplined moments at grand slams but not at the to faulted for for the line judge thing at the time but at the at the tour level again. This is why by sort of door argument. Which i make now for the idea of unionizing. The men's players is that so if they were an adversarial group they could actually get suspended. The trying to have it both ways feeling ham ham. I know what not not hog tied or whatever the thing is i don't know feeling not able to discipline players. Who represent them to like. Maybe they didn't officially adversarial than any more accountability as one of head anyway Wasn't gonna say oh and then yeah the response the the the hashtag stuff. The hashtag players voice things. Those tweets sweets were incoherent. They made no sense. If you just came to those tweets and we're trying to what the heck happened would have no idea the communications basically at this point with nothing to show for itself. Pta is not organization. It's a hashtag movement and hashtags. Aren't anything good. So i think that again. I think there's a lot of the of player organizations whenever they have nothing to show for it for seven months and really could use some professional help in las ways my thoughts. I knew i'd have more addict because he didn't want to say anything. But there you go that's That's my thoughts. I just i just. And i still think they're potentially their principles are valid. But they they're they're they're not helping himself. I do wonder with the idea of a player association. I b i b superhero to know with her. Not it's been kind of what the sense is or whether it's been discussed or whether it's been hashed out the idea of like you discipline and uniform rules and uniform protocols that are like strict enforcement know which would be great. I mean like you know like no be collectively bargain discretion it would be collectively bargained and that would that would be it though. Is that like if you do x. Would trigger automatically accessible because now it is once you go into an association style situation. It is more adversarial rate. I mean like that and which is the whole point of it but it cuts both ways. That's what i'm saying. I'm like now doing that. Sort of curious. Yeah obviously the we deserved suspended. More is not one of the player arguments for getting an association at all. But it's something that i see is sort of being like and i think i think of it from an inevitable. Knock on effect if it does happen. Like yeah there's a different relationship. And i just see a complete like discipline right now. I'm going to send you that jimmer clip afterwards. You're going to be like. Wow it's wild Okay but yeah anyway. Yeah yeah. I i'll find link for it anyway. Thank you for coming on the show again. Courtney we have been blessed this episode to ninety nine Think of something real special for three hundred. If it is immature lyrics episode might be like to nine and a forestalling but we should do something. Our daniel episodes have been have been given good. There was a the for one hundreds of big oil production like his oldest and yankovitch and petkevich all on it. That was my goodness. It was big the light. Enjoy the goals and in two hundred. I believe it was the first time we had carrillo on so that was also big interesting. Okay we're gonna have to brainstorm brainstorm do something yeah some pretty yeah hundred percent We're also going to do. 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That's like they're out camping somewhere. And it's it's great. Because i don't have to worry about them contracting covert but i do have to worry about them getting their their butts handed to them by a bunch of racists so fuck you know. It's good times it's good times fun conversations to have with your family so you know you win some you lose them But yes I have my vacs appointment on thursday. Some looking forward to that very excited about it but otherwise i will i instead of my kind of rant rave. I'm going to tell my tormo story. Yeah sure so yeah so so Sst didn't know very much about her. But towards the end of last year saw their ranking had gone up Had seen a handful of her matches before then but also she had that great running. Ostrava making the quarter-finals Tallying some good wins finish off the year. Well and then she did really well in abu dhabi. as well i think made quarterfinals. Their puska first round. Some good wins. So it's it's melbourne Players are in quarantine and during that time. Either soft or hard and during that time i was like you know doing a lot of interviews players and i was like hey by should probably do a feature on unstreamed storm. Oh because i don't know much about her but her ranking is going up. So i should probably sort that out so hop on the phone with her for about twenty minutes from rotel room and i was being very Upbeat very positive. Kind of be like. Wow you've been playing amazing. you know. You're the last person to beat osaka quarterfinals. In ostrava dhabi is his great. What's been the key to your. you know. And she was. She answered my questions. But i could kinda tell there was a little bit of Hesitancy or confusion or That wasn't like language related. She speaks grade english superstorm. Oh but yeah just vibe where. I hung up the phone and i was like. I'm not convinced that went well. Like i just don't know if like she was buying what i i. Don't know the vibe off. So i was going to do that. Story in ahead of The australian open she crashes out. I think first round of ao interesting sst fact. A miami was the first tournament at the grand slam or one thousand level where she's gotten past the second round threat. That's pretty crazy but anyway so all that happens not being boba she wins. Laura i hop on the phone after she wins. And i'm asking my first question. And she interrupts me and she's like you interview you talk to me a melbourne. Guess she's like oh my gosh. She's like after we talked. I hope the phone. And i turn to my coach and i said dad like i just did this interview and she said this is this about how willing playing and you know my potential for the season. The and told that to my coach and my coach was like yes. She's right and sarah was like i didn't like to leave you like i didn't. I didn't the whole time. We were talking like it was almost like. She thought that i was like trolling her or something. Like and i told her. I was like when i hung up. I really thought that like you. Didn't you didn't enjoy the view. Whatever but anyways so she was incredibly magnanimous like in guadalajara. She's like oh my gosh. Thank you so much like that interview. I've thought about it like the last few months like ever since like you know because it was so like and then guadalajara and so she was like very happy and she did that whole thing in the night i wrote the big long feature on her not expecting her to do what she did in in miami but the timing worked out and so when i hopped into like her press conference in miami after she Before she was gonna play undress gu I like hopped on. She'd like saami single. She's like hey like she was like. Oh you knew you were going to do. You're going to make this this ron right. She's like absolutely not. But you knew. I was like absolutely i knew All that is just to say it has nothing to do with like. I'm not sitting here trying to toot my own horn. But just like she's a really nice person and like you can tell like. She's best friends with marie. Boop bows cover She's a cute moment when both came. Okay i don't know if you saw the thing today. Where both of a got the she. She got her a physical karen cranky sportsmanship award and she posted a photo of it on instagram and in service tormo commented and said They should give this award every year until you retire or something like that. Like just the mutual and we love she's just absolute sunshine in a human being Picked a lot to beat petra for that award this other thing and for like be cool with it like everybody's just like oh no yeah both also like like literally all the players like she's unbelievable like such a nice person But all that is to say like that that three of his tarmo because of the the her style of game of the grunting. Whatever it is. Like i know that she rubs people the wrong way a little bit sometimes but i just wanted to kind of say like she is incredibly nice like very professional. If you go through her instagram she's friends with everyone like you'll you'll be scrolling and she'll be like here. I am at the us with my best friend. Maria sakari. And you're like. Oh i didn't know you guys knew each other on four. Loves her like she's she's good people in very nice and she busts her but and she's incredibly humble like she is like like she said. I think in my interview with her. Like i was like oh. Did you have idols growing up. And she's like wwdc for like she interrupted fair and i was like. Oh yeah i could see that you know kind of like scoffed. A little bit and i was like no but like in the way that you play tennis very physical very never give up. And she's i call one day. Maybe like you know. and she's just. She doesn't believe that she's as good as her ranking is so i just wanted i'm just this is my pitch for sst. She's good people like if you don't like the way that she plays her tennis that's game fair enough but like she's good people so just on that other. You have no choice but to stay in a humble queen you know these are people. Then these are people My two things and i finished A late twenty nine. And i've been working on. Oscar movies for oscars also. I know we're gonna talk about a picture on. We'd record the show. I'm still haven't gotten as many as i want. But i got a few more. Just good I finished watching twenty nineteen set or the twenty twenty oscar show between nineteen films of the all the international nominees for national feature which had been through a goal of have watched all five of those. Now what did you think of lima's rob. I liked it. I didn't love it. I don't think it's your. I don't think it's in front of me. It's your thing. But i thought i saw it in theaters. Maybe help and that was fun. It was a british lawyer. I know i've it's immature. You felt all sorts of ways about it. Being picked over portion of lady on fire by the are issues to that decision but what no. It was fine it just yeah. I think that probably you're right like i don't know les miserables. It's not les miserables. Victor hugo a french film. Modern french film called ms rob that sad title title choice But the controversy surrounding it. At least for me. The controversy that i have with it is that to be nominated for international or language film oscar. It's not like a free for all basically. It's almost as if in tennis. It's almost like each federation picks one player and gives them the wild card in so the french cinema. Whatever it is. Whatever is they're they're they're federal films federation chose les miserables ahead of portrait of a lady on fire. Much to not. Just my chagrin. Stains gomez chagrin as well The director of portrait. I heard an interview with her on on the on the picture. with the interviews on that i wasn't a lot of it last year but anyway She was saying like the film is not all that well received in france related fire. It did not do very well in france. So it's not surprising knowing that they didn't get the pick but obviously it was beloved internationally especially large in the us to anyway. You can check. It's fine but it's just like i. You know i go ahead especially after parents winning and stuff like i think that you know. I think that it was a really strong group of movies between nineteen best picture. Nominees really good group in the right in the main sort field But international is also just really solid Last one saw corpus christi which is not a group of interesting Anyway i saw the front runner for this year's initial another round. Danish movie story mass mickelson. Who haven't seen it. it's on hulu. Yeah so it's on who. I just see the names of mads just drinking which is so. It's a movie a movie about drinking or this. Like i'd never i. It's very much about drinking in a way. That's like such a part of human life but never actually like the focus of things like so intentionally was interesting sort of meditation on drinking in society and all sorts of stuff goes. It's very Way it feels sort of like obvious but it also feels like totally created new and interesting new in different in a way that it was a lot of fun not always fun but like it was like a very worthy with spend two hours. Whatever watching the movie. So that's one thing. Second thing i've been doing a ton might mccain me sane during quarantine during the last year mostly has been doing all these sorts of trivia stuff that have been doing an one year critical role that's my critical role. Exactly and one of the league things. I'll put up post with the somewhere people interested or feel free to message me here interested. It's having like an open house or like demo week for like to recruit. New people are new teams. Whatever you're sitting on february on april the saturday. it's an april seventeenth or eighteenth. I'll double check list. It's on that weekend. Who'd like a sort of come on come all. I'm see how it works. thing in hopefully if anyone out there trivia minded they check it out because it's been a lot of fun any meat a lot of other like minded nerd people. Who are. it's a. It's a tennis it's like. It's like a very unique tribe and this is a different different through with lots of interesting characters so speaking critical. I've talked to somebody today. About how like how. It worked to get it packaged in the similar way to critical or just a way that i do think there's a lot of space for it to become like a cult hit similarly. Yeah it does and it would just take a. I would definitely watch. Serialized like trivia long form. You know ongoing trivia campaigns. Like if you could if that would a way to kind of package it for sure for sure you need to do. You need to do something that had people got to know. The players which is such a huge part of critical role for my understanding of it for sure consistent casting and getting to know the personalities and just understanding that. Lay these these these These niches exists. Like i have. I have like what like thirty thousand followers on twitter on my personal twitter when i tweet about critical role literally. Two people know what i'm talking about. Okay always your goal which is always my goal. That's why tweet about critical role a lot. But the thing about it is. That critical role is massive. Okay it's was. There was a quote of questions. They wanna trivia leaks about critical role. Yeah it's reached that level were getting asked about and still. Yeah i mean like you know. They're youtube you know they're they're they're they're they're episodes. Millions of people watched each episode whether on twitter youtube. And you know it's it's led to option optioning a tv. Show all these things but like so you have this thing. That is a very niche. It's dnd it's the same you know. Six or seven people playing d. every week dungeons and dragons over multi year campaigns although the second campaign i think is is coming to an end there in the home stretch and it's really stressing me out So there could be a third campaign that starts this year which would be a great way to jump in because it will be a brand new campaign but Yeah so it's this thing. That is immensely popular immensely and yet lake again. Like thirty thousand isn't a ton. But i have a lot of followers who are pretty dorky and like literally i know by name. The two the two people and steph the three people who like no one's talking about when i tweet about critical role so there there are these these these these these niches that you can fill. That are completely outside of of of what You know you. Yeah what you think are popular things you know. So because the critical role thing it's a whole underground thing that is yeah. It's massive but most people don't know right listed like again not unlike tennis in some ways where probably most of like the people who were like your close friends in high school. Odds are they're not as devoted to china's you are if you're listening to this podcast late into it like especially being online like you find your tribe for it and that's that's can be very very powerful In goodwood say tribalism has only bad sides but like the idea of finding like minded people with interests that are like or nerdy or whatever it may be. You can vibe with and be sort of like. There's a reason why geeks and deeds invented the internet like the bros. Might of lake. And you know the toxic side of the geek fandom ruining the internet but there's a reason why like yeah like phantoms standing all of these sorts of things like you know armies advance vic fantastic all of it. It's because like everyone's allowed to have their interest than you find some of the somebody else that's like into what you're into and it's there's nothing like being seen man it it it's so empowering and liberating so yeah the last culture racist podcast which is yes cast listen to brittany one. Yes isn't i haven't listened to it yet. Just text me about it today. And she was like i just listened to less culture on brittany. I've never felt more seen in my entire life. I was very either younger than me. And your sister. They're like civil similar sorts of stuff from them. Anyway they had a guest on their rose. Dumb w w Critic pop culture person whatever and she was talking about her like that ask. What was your for their guests as what was your formative moment of like really culture as for me and hers was interesting. It was about Being like finding like fantastic and find the people could like still love and care about something after the show had ended like it was okay to be so into the x files. He's very complex files for me as well. That was like that was like it was okay to like still be in this world and get like it and care about it want wanna create more for it beyond just the scope of our. It was on fox every week. You know and so like an hers with more expansive about like wasn't shouldn't use x. Files sincere example but it was something like that were just like thought it was very cool thing and that's for tennis too like i think tennis fan. And there's a certain level of it where you're not just playing it you know or just watching it but is also sort of like occupying more internet time for you whenever that may be with us twitter or whether it's on message boards her tennis facto. So yeah yeah no. I think we talked about this. When we had carrillo on the show about how you know from a tennis fan perspective she so meaningful. I think to you. And i in particular because brought the humor to tennis that she kind of authorized just watching her and broadcast. Oh we can laugh about this. We don't have to speak about tennis in super reverential forms that i mean we are the children of mary carillo. In that way. I mean forty deuce was entirely that was like. Let's just talk and make jokes guys like it's just tennis like everybody calm down and if people were so serious like it was like then don't come to my blog like this is not that zone and you know whether it was daily forehand your tweets or you know whatever it's like let's have a good time and the ncaa are and just the way that we that we see. The sport is just like we. We very rarely discuss it. In hushed tones of the church of center court is a court respectful of it but certainly not not often like traditionally reverend definitely. I reverend is the reverend the main way to describe wondering if there's ntr frantic. I doubt there is just no. But yeah no my. My culture moment would have definitely been like not x. Files fan frick necessarily but lake discovering the x. files use net group Was revelatory that was like both the power of the internet fandom culture all these sorts of things like rolled into a singular thing of like. Oh my gosh. I love this thing so much and now there are people who love it in the same way that i love it like you know like where you spend six days thinking about everything until the next episode and wanting to dissect everything you know. Yeah the children. Don't now it used to not be that way. This stuff was and also just said it became like not cool necessarily but accepted to be so earnestly into something. It wasn't like you could find. It wasn't like if you're like. I don't know a nerd. Let's say you're right wolf. Who was like always talking about the x. files or sculling got thrown into the trash can for sure. Yeah but online you can find that it was like yeah okay. Presents the got on. Sorry last point that i'll make because it goes back to critical role but like growing up in one of the things that i really like about critical. Is that like. That's my generation of people. The the jokes that they make jokes like they're such stupid jokes but just their little asides and their little references. Like these are the cultural touchstones that i have as well. But what's so great. And what is so neat about critical role. Is that like you know if you grew up in the eighties. Like i did like if you play dungeons and dragons like you. Were you sucked like you got. Beat up and you were a. I mean you were a dork lake you know and even for me when you talk. I'm just like driving the mike. No right exactly me either. Even even for ben even if it's a bridge too far and you know and so to see how you know flash forward thirty years twenty five thirty years later and and to see it happen to see the community that it's built of fellow people across generations across countries Age groups whatever feel so earnestly about these characters and to treat them in the same way as any scripted television. Show that that we would watch that cool. Kids would think were cool now. You know i'm stressing out about you. Know yeah like an as'more barbarian and is she going to confess her love this week to the monk who likes she who like totally crushes on her as well but like they don't talk about it but then like yasha has a really dark backs i care about. It and earnestness is not like as a kid from the eighties. Earnestness was not like genetics. Earnestness is not a thing. We are very dis- detached you know that's our whole shtick is that we don't give a shit about anything so gap. It's it's the internet kind of change that to where it's like. Oh it was cool to be earnest again. You have a seem to have a question on things. But i was going to say that one quick question and then my other thought stop. Are there like gormley romances in dungeons and dragons plotlines. This is just need to critical role. I don't know if they're being crushes in my limited understanding of this deal it's real but it's it's role playing okay so you can play your character however you want to play your character really So there was romance. I guess yeah. Yeah no there were. There was romance in the first campaign as well of critical role With fox montana with a few characters but But in the the second campaign with the mighty nine like it's a little bit more more overt and it's cute because there are two Two of the cast members are married. They're both voice actors Lower bailey and travis. Willingham are married in real life And travis this really big lake Like he works out like a ton like he kind of is like he's a jock. Basically strategy is a strategy. But he's like really into engine. Dragon always has been a guess but anyways They finally laura finally got him to play romance in critical role this year. And there's a great like probably fifteen episodes ago where he he and her character have a moment Their first romantic moment. And it's a very funny moment. Because then like afterwards like they go to break and travis's just mortified like he hates it so much and like and the dm the denver massar like matt. Just like this growth buddy not like of your character but of you got travis to play romance. This is amazing. So yes it's a little bit of a more of a critical role thing. But i mean if you think back to the eighties sentenced dragons. Was you bunch of dudes in a basement. They're not going to like they're not gonna play romance in that era but now it's it's a little bit more of a thing i think but it just it depends on. It was beautiful. And it was played center timothy charlemagne accountable say can so alleged alleged alleged. I just my feelings about that film. I'm feeling pretty good about him these days and on that note. It's it's been a peach of a show and will help you all stay tuned for the upcoming episode. Whatever that may be and if we have something before that very possibly That you'll ensure that on your feet to Until until ben by judge a ally.

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