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Qualy #94 - Comparing the two broad types of meditation, and Peters favorite meditation apps
"Lou Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Peter Attiyah qualities a member exclusive podcast. The qualities is just a shorthand slang for qualification round. which is something you do? Prior to the race just much quicker. The qualities highlight the best of the questions topics and tactics that are discussed in previous episodes of the drive. So if you enjoy the quality you can access dozens more of them through our membership program without further delay. I hope you enjoy today's quality You've talked about this idea of noticing. What is arising versus not noticing at all Can you elaborate on this yet will so I guess I I should define Mindfulness which is really the the target state that one is trying to cultivate in. At least this probably what. What's the most popular type of meditation announced that there are different as you allude to their different types? There are two basic types of meditation where the distinction is between being lost in thought ought and being clearly aware of whatever. The object of meditation is so that that's true for all types of meditation thought really is the the obstacle one is overcoming when one is learning to meditate pigs are our natural our default mode is just be lost in thought. Were telling ourselves story all day long and we're not aware of it so once one begins to meditate one is trying wind to pay attention to something and this is where the two different types diverge the first that you alluded to the like a mantra based or a concentration based object to focus is the attempt to pay attention to one thing to the exclusion of everything else right. You want your attention to be absorbed ribbed in that object and in many of those practices the explicit goal is to do that so well that thoughts no longer arise is right so that you're really trying to get rid of thought in some basic sense. The arising of thought in that context is a sign that. You're not meditating in part enough for one pointedly enough. Those types of practices can produce extraordinarily positive states of mind that you can feel bliss and rapture and and and you can actually use as an object of meditation specific states of mind like loving kindness which is called Meta in the Buddhist tradition or sympathetic joy or compassion or equanimity. You can cultivate specific attitudes. which if you can focus on them to the exclusion of anything else else? You're inhabiting that state degree that most people would find unrecognizable. But the second type of meditation. Which is the type I have spent spent much more time doing and is almost universally considered the more fundamental or the deeper practice is often described as as mindfulness? Because that's the that's the the state you're using in the Buddhist tradition to cultivated. Mindfulness comes from a practice. Practice called the Pasta which which is insight meditation. And there you are. You're not trying to selectively notice. One thing or another you are trying to to break the spell of being distracted by thought so you're trying to be aware of everything without perceiving things through this disc or this conceptual lens in each moment but you are attention can be much more choice. `less you can just notice whatever. In fact you notice noticing things all the time sounds and sensations and moods and thoughts. But you're not noticing them clearly because because you are you're thinking every moment of the day. Mindfulness begins for most people as a training on one object like the breath but very quickly it becomes something that you apply to the full range of your experience. And what's Nice about it apart from all the the benefits of doing it and and all the things that can be realized by doing this type of meditation is clearly coincident with any any experience you can have. I mean there's nothing that is excluded in principle from the meditation. You're not you can be working out or watching a movie or I mean. There's there's no there's no thing that in principle does not admit of mindfulness and That's not true of other types of practice. Yeah just sharing one example because the other thing in it I remember you said at the time I said you know Sam I want to really shift this practice. I want to figure out a way to experience that more and more and you actually said look there are a bunch of APPs that are already out there. They're all pretty good. I mean obviously you're producing yours because you think it's going to offer something additional and I'll just make my plug for it here. I've used every one of the apps out there and I I do find yours at the best but I also realize that there's no one thing it's the best. It's the way you explain things just resonates with me and might not resonate with the next x person but the other APP that I really liked that you recommended was ten percent happier which is Dan Ers has APP? No no no relation of course and even within Dan's after are many teachers but there are a couple that I really like Jeff Warren and Joe Joseph just hope conjoined. Today's special bonus episode of the quality new episodes of the qualities are released Tuesday through Friday each week and are published exclusively on our private member. Only podcast heat. If you're interested in hearing more as well as receiving all of the other member exclusive benefits you can visit Peter at md dot com forward slash subscribe. This podcast is for general informational purposes. Only does not constitute the practice of medicine nursing or other professional healthcare services including the giving of medical advice. No doctor patient relationship is formed. 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Episode-2 Tenali Ramalinga " - " Telugu kathalu - kids stories - Chandamama kathalu
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Dr. Apostolos Lekkos (Sophia's Doctor!)
"Hi Everyone Sophia. Bush here welcomed a work in progress where I talked to people who inspire me about how they got to where they are and where. They think they're still going. Today's episode is pretty special. And maybe a little out of the ordinary because I actually am interviewing my personal doctor later Dr Legos. When I went in for my first appointment with Dr lactose he spent over two hours with me guys? It was incredible and he taught me so much about my own health that honestly I never knew that nobody had ever talked to me about before and I asked him if he would come on the show and share his knowledge with all of you. So we're going to talk about how to find the right doctor the important questions that you should be asking your doctor to make sure you're getting the right care lie. Functional Medicine is important. Horton's and we get a little metaphysical deal. There's a whole lot coming your way right now. I hope you enjoy us. Thank you so much for coming today. A pleasure I'm very excited about this. I I'm excited for the audience. Toge- to really deep dive with you in the way that I do as your patient for the last year I also realized for listeners. At home it's probably atypical for a podcast host to have medical conversations with their doctor on a podcast. But you've taught me so much about a more expanded view you of both medicine and care and I think that as so many people are trying to figure out how to take care of themselves how to be healthier what questions to ask their doctors this information that everyone should have access to and unfortunately not everyone can be your patient because there's so many hours in the day so here. Are we go you and I met. Thanks to Lauren Roxborough. Who is an incredible body worker? And how do you explain lane her. She's just an incredible she. So many of you have probably seen you know her videos done her foam rolling exercises. She really I think helps people. People heal their own bodies and strengthen in really important ways and when I was saying the irony that I'm from La but that I've lived out out of town for fifteen years and she was saying well. WHO's your doctor? And I was like. I don't have one here you know I don't have any people here. I'm re amassing a team mm-hmm and she said well I have your GP for you. So that's how we met. Can you explain to people listening at home a little bit about what you do. What is functional medicine? It's a very unique style of practicing for sure. And let me tell you what it's not. It's not conventional Western medicine and now conventional Western medicine has its place for sure it has good acute care. You break your arm. You have a heart attack stroke you go to the we are. That's where it shines to me is where it really works. But we're fails. This is in preventing disease. They don't teach us in Mexico how to prevent stuff. It's like treating stuff so western. Medicine is more about waiting till you get sick and then you go to. The doctor were functional. Medicine is more about being proactive in staying healthy and getting healthy and learning how to be healthy and on all aspects so we look look at when someone comes to usually have something wrong because they're following the typical. Wait till I get sick thing but we look for what is as the cause of the problem is the root cause. Where's the fire burning? It's causing the symptoms because Western medicines. Like oh you have heartburn. Here's a pill. You Got Cholesterol problem. Here's another pill A. You're depressed abreast. Here's your other pill it's all about treating symptoms on my treating symptoms. I'm looking for aware. Is the symptom coming from in the first place. You're looking for the root cause right. The root cause in number two we look to optimize the health. We look to look like let's say I want your body firing on all cylinders whether it's attrition Diet Sleep Meditation You name it where everything's firing. You're optimizing health. You're living a nice song healthy life. You don't get sick. You don't get chronic illness. And then as you know when we do whatever your labs we created a plan for you. That was very individualistic. It would not work for the girl sitting sitting next to you just you. So people have a symptom or things. I've always liked that one where it could be from a medicine. You're taking it could be from lack of sleep. It could be from childhood trauma. It could be from hormonal disruption. Some looking for that instead of putting you in a box like conventional Western medicine doesn't say here's some Xanax. See later so root-cause optimizing health individualistic visual aesthetic. And we look at ton lifestyle stuff. Because that's what influences your health. Most so we look at like you know. Remember we'll be talking like were you born. Where did you grow up? How are you born where you breastfed? Did you have a head injury. Any toxins exposures. What kind of water you drink kind of food you eat? Is it organic. Would you put on your skin. What are you washing your dishes with? Are you how do you handle stress. Are you working now. which your energy pattern like throughout the day thing? It's so deep and gives me a good sense of you and you know we talk about the mind. How do you think which your attitude about your life yourself the world? How do you perceive your reality because that perception can create a lot of problems in your health health which we can talk more about but and then we talk about spirituality? which is meditation doing things way outside the box to learn about who you are who your soul is because your mind and your spirit? I'm finding influencing our health more than anything else. Like the body shows up last with symptoms. Do you think that that I remember. We were talking about a a steady. Maybe last year and I was just so surprised to find that thirty percent of patients in said study. I don't even remember what it was. Forged percentage that thirty percent of patients. who were put on? Placebos started getting better and we were talking about how it's just such evidence of how Oh powerful the mind is if you think you're being treated for something you can actually get better. That doesn't mean you. Don't go to the doctor if you have cancer. That doesn't mean that you don't take the medication but it does mean that. Our minds are more potent ingredient in our wellness than I think we have been taught to believe and I I I guess I just wonder when you talk about how much the mind employs his health. Do you look to stats like that as as some of that proving using grounded yeah somewhat. I mean there's a lot of research about the perception and how it affects your health. For example most heart attacks occur on Monday because the perception of Oh I got a big workweek coming. The stress is coming yielded a study where they looked at elder people who had a positive perception of aging. They had less heart attacks and strokes and their fellow elder people and they also lived seven years longer than they did and Harvard did a study where they looked at These cleaning women maids in a hotel and told him told to groups one group they said. Did you know that when all the work you're doing all these rooms all day long equivalent you're going to the gym and working out and the other group. They didn't tell that to and after a month the group that they told it's equivalent to working out in the gym. They had lower blood pressure and lost weight versus the other group of cleaning women who did not know that those women perceived all day long. Hey Hey I'm working and I'M GONNA. I'm working at the gym. It's the same thing. They locked lost weight and lower blood pressure in the perception. And if you look at one of my favorite stories of all there's two actually one this is the most fascinating to me is multiple personality disorders. That is nuts. Not where I was expecting crazy. I know it's not like you have a person who has a personality that has diabetes and they literally have elevated Blood Glucose high sugar in their blood and then the other personality doesn't have diabetes and they have normal blood sugars other other multiple personality. People have allergy to say oranges. They eat an orange to get hives. The other personalities don't they can eat oranges and don't have an allergic reaction what s it's crazy all in the same body body almost anybody wow coolest stories. A Greek guy named Sta Modest Marianas. He was a Greek war veteran in the United States. Living here you go to the doctor and the doctor's like you got lung cancer. You got about two months live and you're dead he goes. I'm not getting treated. I'm going back to Greece. Goes to the island of Ikaria which is one of the blue zones on the earth where people have to be over one hundred. He's doing treatment Amazon little by Little House with a little garden and his friends catch win. And he's there and he's going they're all coming to see him and they're having wine and drinking and singing singing and dancing playing games and cooking and he wants to end his life. Beautifully does but guess what six months goes by. He's not dead yet he. He starts gardening him but he makes a little guard. He's out there. Working the land every day continues this lifestyle. twenty-five years goes by. He's not dead. He's he's like what's going on. I mean go back to United States and see my doctors and see what happened here. But they're all dead Dr. Yeah they're all dead so he just died recently of one hundred and two years old so him living life and being in life being around life and living that lifestyle of love and fun and being present in just soaking in moments with friends and family that healed him. It's insane I mean that's with that's so touching to me. We don't live this way here in this country so at work work work work but the Mediterranean diets over the diets. Really mentoring lifestyle Yeah Yeah My. My Mom's family is Italian and I remember one of my aunts. My Hat Joe used to say you know our families all worked live and in this country you live to work and it's it's an interesting thing when you talk about in terms of perspective active so before we dive in. I have so many questions about all of this but I always like to ask people how this stuff started. I I wanna hear how you got into medicine in the first place. Yeah I mean I was trained. Emergency medicine originally been doing it for twenty years. And never forget is my third year out of residency in Seattle good job in Dallas Texas and I sat down for my shift in the Er and I sat down. Oh my God this is not right this is now. I'm supposed to be doing with myself. It there's like a such a defeating feeling this all this work and all this stuff I've done get here and I knew in my soul. This is not what I'm supposed. Let's be doing with myself so lost and it was like fustrated. Didn't know what I meant and my wife had bad insomnia were we. We tried to find other ways to help and I started looking at other ways. Other modalities alternative things and that kind of sparked my motivation to look outside the box. which was I was taught? And then you know making phone calls dabbling into this and I found found functional medicine so I go to my first conference on it and it was like Oprah's Aha moment here and talk. I couldn't believe what I was hearing like. Why was not taught this in school cool and I knew right then? That's what I'm supposed to be doing. This is my path. Would you call functional medicine something something just hit me. 'cause you said. The traditional Western medicine treats the problem. You go to the doctor when you're sick. Would you say that. The aim of functional medicine is rather than and to treat a sickness. The aim is to keep you well but both both like you go to the doctor to to remain in health and then obviously be treated treated when you do get sick right exactly interesting exactly like that. That's really interesting okay listeners. I'm GonNa talk to you about our sponsors. I I WANNA clarify for all the people who are new to the work in progress audience high. So God you're here here that we only work with sponsors that we personally believe in these incredible sponsors of the people who make our podcast possible. 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I'm curious because obviously I know you now home. I'm I'm curious you know who. who were you it at ten? You weren't Dr Lactose when you were a little boy so who were you. Wow Abbott for interesting And what Dad's from Greece and Lomb Athens a mom's from Dallas and you you know he was a great parents is funny how you look back at your parents where they raised you in and the good the bad the ugly whatever but you know he had that Greek mentality is like this is how you do these no question about being very almost militant and and good grades. Don't work for the man be your own boss. You know grew up a lot around a lot of culture. Going to Athens in Greece Jason Islands and things which was amazing. But you know talking to my patients. I really see the same thing that I went through. They went through. Where are sometimes? You're not allowed to be who you are not to show emotion. These European cultures were some of them lack Even have this lifestyle is amazing. Sometimes I find it me and other people have this. I don't know this way of not being allowed to express yourself and you have to find yourself later like who am I really Had to be this kid who made a grades that it up would. That's fine. I mean it got me. We're a mat L.. Learned some great stuff from my parents as for sure but look there's no parenting rulebook do your best. What can you do? You know you do your best. And that's what they knew and that's what they did is fine. The that was my path. Anyway I accept it as my path. That's my journey. That made me so. I don't have any like bad bad feelings about anything but did find it interesting. How in my thirties and forties trying to figure about and now with myself but there is a journey when you were young? I think I had a little bit of that too. You know. My Mom's mom was an immigrant immigrant and my dad is an immigrant and I always joke with friends who have parents who were immigrants. That it's like you can be a doctor a lawyer or a doctor or a doctor. That's you know that's my joe again. Being like what do you want to study in college but I I wonder this this you. WHO's my friend that you're so inquisitive and so sensitive in so naturally I think expansive if I may did you have those tendencies of as a boy where you really curious about systems and relationships you know what what do you think? Thank informed that even if it was an undercurrent even if you kind of had to be this like straight edge straight a kid where where do you think that that stuff came in yet. I think always been seeker. Yeah always been seeker. But I don't think I was comfortable enough in my own skin to let it out To be honest with you and fitting the social norms. The Way we're supposed to you know we're supposed to grow up and do this and go to college and good eh score. Would ever you just kind of following the trail of crumbs at your quote supposed to follow but you know got off that path and went a different way with my career and you know we talk a lot about with each other. Our own personal spiritual and personality growth and becoming who we are as human beings and soles to left out I talk a lot about that with patients. So important is for you to do you. You don't need to worry about what anyone else thinks about you. He means nothing. Do you be you say you where you would ever. Because that's who you are in your soul and that's who you I need to be on this earth you don't need to act like what your parents did to you. You make a decision when you're a kid that you're unlovable not good enough not smart enough not pretty enough. I'm not worthy and that record runs in your mind your whole life and what I'm finding is the way people are thinking that records in their mind playing creating illness and disease in their body. The mind body connection is massive and give you an example cool study last year. They took two trees. It put him in high school and that trees recovered in a glass box. You couldn't touch them. They got the same sunlight and the same water every day. The students were supposed to love. Orange trees phrase it. The tree ever taken sell fees and sticky notes. I love you and you're the best. You're leaves are amazing. I love the green. They're amazing the other tree and the thirty feet away was bullied. You're a piece of shit tree. We hate you your guy ugly stupid. No one likes you Blah Blah Blah same water same son thirty days later trees killing it. Beautiful Battery is dying. Its leaves leaves are withered half yellow. So that makes me so right at the point of it is that kids are projecting their their thought what their energy toward living thing in created amazingness in creating death. People are walking around the earth earth with this stuff playing in their head. I'm not good enough. I'm this that and the other Akira people think about me. Too Much You know people pleaser. I'm not I'm fat. And whatever and they're running this in their mind all day like a record they don't know they're doing it until I bring it to their attention. Your body feels that your body's senses this this and it creates illness in you yourself. Feel that stuff. So it's been a lot of time teaching people. Okay let's rewind. Let's show you how to think. Think about different the show you how to reset the way you're thinking. Sometimes you got to be aggressive. Sometimes you to do things that are subconsciously. Changing past life regression aggression. Or you do a psychedelic or you've got to go that route to reset the mine. Some people are really hurting. And I'd say you a the people who I talked to who've had so much childhood trauma they are all so sick I autumn unity and other things that people come in. Hey Doc to check me out. I feel pretty good they really. We don't have minimal trauma in their life is just. I'm seeing the evidence in the people who are more sick. Have more emotional struggle and pain so before you kind of get into this more expansive arena of medicine. How do you wind up in the traditional route? Oh you know were were you leaning into science as a kid or was it in college that you decided to go. PREMED WE'RE How did it happen? We discuss it's Kinda you said Your Your Dad's like you can be a lawyer doctor businessman which one you WANNA do. That's Wedneday like well good at math and science science alive Gobi Doctor Kinda but always had it in me honestly. I remember being in fourth grade like this kid. Polio and he had the crutches and he's like walking around and keyser making fun of him and I was just like so sensitive towards that little kid. Yeah like Oh my God. I wish I could help him. Like what can I do and it just does my first memory of me like having the inner heart desire to help people. What was that little kid calling? That was the calling inside of me like okay and that kind of kept pulling at me pulling me and then you go to med school and you do the whole residency NC and here I am. But where'd you go to medical school University of North Texas Health Science Center in eastern Texas Yeah Cool residency in Van. Houston what were you in to. Do you remember like what you were reading what you were watching when you were standard American. When I was growing up I mean had standard standard American Diet back then you know? TV Video Games soon bikes skateboards girl's name. And just the usual. The thing you know getting in trouble speaking out. And so when you went through school in India residency to do to declare a specialty How do you wind up working in the Er we are? Yeah so you have to declare something that you WanNa do during your medical which path they'll wanna take and so. I decided on emergency medicine. He's I like the lifestyle and I didn't like it didn't like how could be pigeonholed into being a doctor. Like oh you're going to be a derm doctor of skin doctor right or you're gonNA be a cancer. You can be a heart doctor. I felt like he was not broad enough. I wanted I'm doing this. I WanNa know everything about everything and how to build. Treat anything that comes in the door not a heart attack. And that's all I know. Isn't that funny though. So that when you think about that if you look back you were always trying to look at the whole picture exactly. Good point that when God C. C.. You always have in you. What's training Mike for Emergency Medicine? I imagine it's really rigorous and intense and scary. It is it is. I was terrified to be honest with you. Never forget the night before I was just so scared and was coming from me and residencies brutal. It's it's You're not prepared to see what you're going to see because the everything that comes in is bad first of all you see death you see kids die you see not suffering pain and it I all of us were crying just not used to this. Well it's like a amazing raw going off and crying lying in a corner because of what we see. But I've talked about this before how your makes you grow thick skin. Mix You detached from what you're seeing and it's not in a good way In a bad way it creates this wall around you to deal with what's happening in front of you in a bit detached me from human beings it made me disconnect from everyone went through that in my in my life even at home. Yeah Yeah even at home. It's like you're so detached from people because of the boundaries you put up to protect yourself. It's a coping mechanism totally totally early. So you're at home. Your your wife is like Oh this is the problem that she's upset. And you're like whatever it's you're not dying come on and she gives yells at you like you're freaking robot. You don't react anything anything. You're just like cold stone faced. No He makes you unemotional. And you can't turn it on and off so I would imagine that in not experience. It's not like you could turn to her and say the reason that this isn't causing a reaction in me is because I saw this horrible thing yesterday. Oh you can't you don't have the can be vulnerable at home and then impenetrable in the Er so people can. I couldn't so how did you begin to cope with that because obviously there's a wakeup call where you realize. I don't WanNa live this way. I don't want to have these these boundaries up so that I don't have to feel all this sadness. So what do you do. Yeah I started noticing At home you would notice while I I feel like alone I really did my kids doing their thing. And you I feel so detached from it. It's the most bizarre weirdest thing ever. Did you ever feel like you had a bird's eye view of your own life. No no like that but then you become aware of what's going on and you realize your wall that you put up for safety MHM is creating a wall around the people you love between so you have to work on breaking down wall. Where do you start start? Well I wear this is i. You gotta be aware of it and I tried psychedelics to see if that would change me as a person because I was hearing about. Oh people coming out of these experiences after Scylla side energy emt damage they're changed changed people. And I thought that would make me change kyw. Ask How a traditional medicine doctor winds up deciding deciding that a psychedelic experience might be the way to go because so many people. I'm sure Sony people listening at home wouldn't assume that and would think you might be opposed but now there's so much research coming out you know you see the research being done at Johns Hopkins with suicide and as an alternative to antidepressant. How Healing Plant Medicine actually is for the body? You see it being decriminalised in Oakland and Denver all of these incredible trials happening with healing on a spectrum of illnesses from from plant medicine. Beate cylinder. CBD You see research being done with veterans with incredible being treated with md May to break the trauma cycle in the body and create euphoria so that their body unlearn trauma patterns. How do you think you found your way to that? Because it's really becoming popularized in the last two years in sort of common conversation but what what led you. There was it research urged you saw. Was it someone who had an experience and you figured I understand chemically how that works. Maybe that would be good for me. How do you make the decision across that Boundary Andrea? There was some research into hearing about what the study is. Just mentioned in the and mule maps in New York is the big group. Can you tell the listeners at home. What masses who dot on out maps is a privately funded organization that researches suicide in psychedelics for the for health and wellbeing like you just mentioned all the depression? PTSD MD.. You may for that. So they've created this the pathway so to speak so either mazing but I was looking at that and I was reading articles articles on people. Who've done these things that came out different? Like I was so desperate to change myself that I would. I was GONNA try anything and so I did and you know it. It helped me in a lot of ways but I had a long way to go and I kept diving into. Let's Micros for a while and see what that's like with suicide and that helps too but then it's just a stepping stone and for people at home when you talk about microdosing that's such a small dosages essentially really like and correct me. If I'm wrong here my understanding it's essentially like if you had been prescribed Let's say Alexa pro or Wellbutrin. Some sort of traditional antidepressant sent rather than taking a chemical compound. You take a small dose of suicide. Even that doesn't create any noticeable effect. You're not like mushroom tripping movie slowly. Perceptual wouldn't idea that's feel it. Got It but it helps to. Greg gradually opens the mind intuition. The heart the you know it's like you just mentioned people doing the big journeys getting healed from depression and PTSD. It's like a subtler. Slower is lower way of that happening to you and a natural alternative to a daily antidepressant essentially interesting. So do you think I think because I wonder when you say maybe this is just me recognizing a little of myself in you and we know where similar people so. I'm just going to go in with this question which I might be asking myself but when you say That you really wanted to change you wanted to make a change. You knew that you were living in this in this walled up way and it had to be different. You know you you just said like I would have tried anything. Do you think maybe at first you thought Oh that might fix it like. Maybe that'll be my quick fix totally and then to the point of of functional medicine you realize Oh it's a lifestyle change. It's a requirement of eating differently talking to myself differently integrating meditation different sleep practices. I know 'cause I'm learning all of this right now. I'm like weird. It's so weird. I did the thing and I'm not just suddenly better in a superhero. It's so strange. I've I do this every day. Okay crate everyday cl- Google so what do you. What do you think after you realized there wasn't a quick fix and and you realize maybe this your medicine world wasn't for you than it was and I wanna say killing your sensitivity? I don't WanNA put words in your mouth but that's a good would've put it with the people I loved. It was weird like seemed like this is with my family or even my parents or brother sister like doc. I've had this like lifelong thing about. It was hard for me to show love. I felt like I needed to get out of that hug quick because because I would feel vulnerable feel like I'm about to get hurt. You know I I wanted to get out of it so I would make it quick and that's not a good way to live. It's it's not a good way to be a dad and a husband and etc and so I was really like why like this why what is going on. Where did this come from like? It was driving me bananas. So that's why I was mentioning to you earlier. About how did past life regression ten days ago and I that whole thing became clear well and I feel relieved of that burden now freely. That's yeah yeah that's was blow. My mind is like I don't feel like that anymore. Based on what I went through during my past life regression it showed me things that explain to me. Why I'm that way and I don't know if it's are? You really seeing pass lies. I don't know is your mind trying to heal you. All your in this hypnotic state. I don't know I don't really care here. Who cares right? You know past life. Regression is like a branch of hypnosis. That takes you deep in your mind into the inner awareness. Have you kind of kind of felt like you got out of the way and you left your spirit or solar mind to divine power or whether it's spirit guys angels. Whatever to guide you through this experience but in my lies I had such loss loss of love? Many many times in the pain of it was so strong like I was calling in their US balling because of losing my love so many times that my body decided my soul. You Ain't doing that again brother. You Ain't gonNA fill love again. You're not gonNA feel that suffering and pain again and that's Kinda house like okay. Now I get it. This is Kinda why to and just resonated with me. We know it sounds kind of weird but it resonated with me and it felt like I healed dab part of me when I got done with it so so like I came home and I saw my son and I hugged him and I was crying and I was just like I had none of that usual feeling. I would jumping in your body. Avoid the closeness and I think so many people have that really. Yeah I do I think Galati people depending on what they've been through can struggle in the face of intimacy. I know for me and we've talked a lot about this and I've talk to my audience about this my experiences in my job in Chicago while there were so so many people who were amazing what I was going through with the person who was so awful to me affected the whole environment. You know if you if you poison poisoned well. All the water is bad and the jumpiness that I felt in that space something I learned and going through trauma therapy the and then diving into the research of it because there's people who've been far more traumatized than I have but trauma on the bodies trauma in the body right so I started to to research the field and what I realized is that when you have Effects from post traumatic stress. Your startle response gets really abnormally. We increased and the jumpiness I would experienced. Someone would touch me on the shoulder from behind and I would be two feet off the ground and like ready to throw a punch and ready to run. Sometimes when people would hug me it would actually make me uncomfortable to that to that thing you talk about like people wanting to told me made me feel icky and I wanted to get out of it. Your family really. There was a period where anyone like. I just did not want to be touched and try being a person who's on. TV that Strangers WanNa hug and take pictures with. It was really kind of a nightmare for me. I would power through it and try my best but it was really hard and sometimes I would leave and interaction with strangers and just go home and saw and I didn't know what was happening and now having done a lot of work mark both physically with health with sort of adjusting. The way I body adjusting the way I sleep you know and looking at the mental effects effects of this stuff I feel like a completely new person like I was at one of my best friend's birthday parties last night in ten of us were curled up on this big sectional couch together. Like little puppies just all like curled up on each other's shoulders talking about life and dreams and what we want for the next decade and all these things and I was like God. It's so nice nice to be back like this but I don't think many of us have been offered a map to these avenues to he'll and it excites me when people who have traditional and who are armed with accolades like you are traditional medical trainings. Say all the medicine the ERS and the cutting edge technology all matters and so does all this mental exploration. So do these alternative therapies. So does meditation so to sleep so does diet it all matters. You can't just be a doctor who gives people pills if you WANNA be a true doctor doctor if you want if you want to fulfill your calling to make people well have to look at the full picture thus what these I will said. It is his mind body spirit lifestyle. It's everything you said the word spiritual which I was gonNA come to later but I shouldn't be surprised that we got right into it because all of talks done to be spiritual. How do you think spirituality and medicine are tied together? Because so many people think they're are separate and you talk about though they're really intertwined. Yeah it's a big part of my world. When I talk to patients about spirituality? Usually I go to goal for them is to meditate and I love the APP brain dot. FM It's my favorite APP. It's the technology where you listen to these. Cool sounds varying spacey stuff and there's hidden tones in there the pull your mind into that fadeaway which is at meditative state of mind. I'll walk them through imitation and I want them to start connecting with themselves. I kind of help guide them through that How do I do that? What do I think about? And that's my first step is to start having them look at themselves. How do I think do I believe in something? Bigger than me doesn't matter what it is desperate shoddy means to me. Is You believe in something bigger than you doesn't matter what it is this but taking deep die within yourself and in your soul looking within your heart can really open up your mind nine to okay. Wow look at these patterns. I'm look at how thinking look how. I'm perceiving this reality I'm in it's so skewed and so wrong and so negative wonder I feel like she had all the time. And so there's many other spirits modality we have energy healers L. A.. We have the Mecca all that stuff. We've got an all. We got SHAMANS and healers and energy people and past life. Regression people we got mediums. We got all these people. We we have flow tanks on every corner. We have all all kinds of cool stuff. So that's what I would love to see spread more across the country because really is helpful really is hopeful into me. I think NCA- kind needed team sort of the functional docker like you knew healer and Energy Person Shaman or a therapist or whatever. We have energetic workers. We have it all kind of create this team approach to people's health instead of like going to the doctor for ten minutes and get a prescription walk out you know so. Oh I'm just keep going back to this becky finding that if you keep looking inside and discovering new stuff about you that these way you think will change over it's a slow progression but you will change and you will start to feel better physically It was really interesting because I remember. We're back to our first appointment. I was in your office for two hours. Never seen a doctor for two hours any not even an ER. I mean and I'd like I've been having a serious injury treated not seeing a doctor for that long and you did. You took me through my whole medical history and then you started talking to me about how what kind of a household I grew up in and how how my relationships had been and what kind of trauma had experienced and you know was Diana regular therapy practice and was meditating. Every day I was like what the fuck is going on here but it was also so awesome but I just it was. I was sort of dumbfounded. Did by the experience. Because I'd never had that before and it's been really fascinating to start learning how to draw parallels between all of it. Why do you think society is so focused on just medicine medicine medicine? Why do you think the scope is so narrow well well? I think it's the way we're taught in doctors educated. A certain way you got blood pressure use drug A. Doesn't work at your you see atom together whatever and we're kind of taught that way and it's kind of wait till you get sick then. Go in kind of thing not be proactive and preventative. This is not our taught and if you go there you can go there. But it's like just big Pharma wants to get better. I don't know that's about making money to yeah. I mean think about how long big Pharma fought the rise of marijuana as medicine. CBD's medicine all the research. That's funded through Pharmacological Companies Inc. about. Yeah how many people are serving prison sentences over marijuana. I think about the effects of the pharmaceutical industry. Fighting the advent of new medicines ends which have been really affected the criminal justice system and unfairly treated entire populations in our country affected occurs raising. Everything's really connected connected. You know. It's like this people have families through that goes even further person and I don't know it's some fortunate you know it's like you go to Europe. Urban Germany other companies that are much more progressive outside the box. Different modalities using ozone using other cool technologies that we don't allow here and and you know because we don't want to heal stuff as fast as we really really want to because the money thing I don't I don't know. What do you mean by ozone ozone ozone ozone gas like from the atmosphere Yes oh germ Germans have perfected tell us everything? Germans have perfected the administration creation of ozone gasoline. Doing it for longtime to will when you go to like most a lot of doctors offices. In Germany have ozone machines means we have them here in California to. We're luckily we're in the states that allows the use of it quote experimentally but in what it does is oxygen oxygen is owed to ozone is. Oh three it's very unstable gas so if you go to get ozone therapy they put an IV Vian your arm they pull your blood out of your body into a machine that puts ozone gas in your blood and your blood turns bright cherry red and then the cherry red blood goes back into your body because gas it It kills lots of bad cells kills viruses and mold and Lyman in cancer cells. And I've had done you feel really really good when you get done with it like it's like why are we having this here. Why anyone with mold exposure or lime disease or pre-cancerous cells sweater? I use it for patients. Who have these Epstein Barr and these other lying or molds I'll go dachshund Santa Monica that do ozone and I'll send them there? Wow and you know. Sometimes you want treatment. Sometimes you need ten just depends but that's been talking about. It's like looking outside of this box. I The hell ozone was back in training was that no one was telling tide if you're told about it's just bullshit who knows that's not gonNA work because you're not. You're not told at work so you you believe what you're told. What do you think the larger effects on our medical system art of so many doctors having their per views? Shrunken down like that a while. I mean you're really limiting care. People Amine It's unfortunate system like look. These doctors are trained as a lot of work and now is becoming where they're forced to see a lot of patients every day a in order to make make bills get paid so they can't spend all the time that I can spin. They have ten minutes with you in their out. You know insurance reimbursements. We're going down. Not Doctors got to see more people to make pay their staff etc.. It's getting harder and harder so it's not a good system I mean I don't know if there's a perfect system in world yet but however what I'm seeing is more physicians I'm meeting and talking to the are starting to look outside the box and why because people are taking their health and their own hands. Now there's a huge movement right now with people. They're sick of waiting until they're sick. I'm the I'm no. I'm going to start getting proactive in my health minister. Educating Myself. Look if you want to get healthy and not get sick. And you can't afford word. FUNCTIONALIST DOC whatever start educating yourself nutritionists at the minimum but listen to podcasts. Listened to smart people who know what they're talking about. Learn how to bio hack your body so to speak but people are learning so much that they're going to their doctor and saying hey I want you to do this. I WANNA do this test. I want to treat myself like this. What do you think they're like? What would what's all this? What are you talking about? They have no clue so they're forced to go learn and look into these open up different doors that they never opened before and now they're starting to go. Okay well that work. I try that on her and worked so I'm curious about that because cheer point you know you said people can't afford to go see a functional medicine. Doctor you know. I really decided a year ago. I said I've I've had great fine. Doctors have good healthcare. You know I'm very pro union for exactly exactly that reason for me you know. I said I've I really WANNA start investing in my health care and in feeling better her in in a way like I would invest in. I don't know something financial and I feel really lucky. I you know I've worked really really hard and I have the privilege of being able to afford being one of your patients and I am curious what you would tell people listening being at home when you talk about doing research when you talk about you know what people should be asking of their doctors. They have from their insurance providers. If if you were gonNA tell people five things to do starting today or tomorrow to start to change their relationship to their own health. What would those things be? Obviously Meditation Adaptation is number one for you and brain. FM or space are great resources for that. Yes so I think the key areas for longevity and health and wellness would be diet and are there. I know you said obviously that's specific for people but are there general recommendations the workload for everybody. Everyone who I usually knows gluten free dairy free intermittent fasting as a way of eating because intermittent fasting kind of mimics genetic pattern. We're still like cave people. They wake up and have eggs and OATMEAL and bacon toast. No no around Bush's looking for some berries and stuff foraging around. So there's a lot of research designer Minh. Fasting where with that generally means is for the audience's It's called it like a general speaking sixteen. A rule sixteen hours of fasting eight hours of eating eating or the fast. The fastest kind of losing the intermittent fasting mortis becoming time restricted as the new term now time restricted feeding so anyway. Where if you finished dinner at seven o'clock starts and you don't eat anything until the next day? Sixteen hours later which would be eleven. Am that's the fast. Now you have a AV window from eleven. AM until seven PM. And then at eight hours you need to eat your full days requirements food. That's the biggest mistake take. His people don't do that but intermittent fasting and be shown to be very beneficial to our health because it lowers cholesterol blood pressure. Diabetes risk goes down anti-aging aging genes get turned on cancer. Risk goes down. It's great us. Wait your brain starts to function better. I do really well on a twelve hour window. There's different no not that twelve's refine the benefit of any kind of go to sixteen it's debatable. But there's many ways intermittent fasting research it and look at it but I I love. Does it work for everybody. Know most people yes but I love you can try it for free. It's definitely totally free. No notice Oh my God if a great my rainfalls grim losing using way Blah Blah so diets key and I love Paleo Mediterranean mixture heavy seventy percent plants thirty percent said animal protein. Starting patients do three days a week of just pure vegetarian. I've I've shifted my diet now. Where two meals a day for your plant based and that's working really well? I noticed that if I go any more than that just because I I'm really low in iron all the time something I learned from you. Thank you and actually. I've had that test run over the years and been in stages of being anemic and then out of it if I go too much More plant based than you know thirty seventy I start to get pretty anemic and I'm yeah I noticed because all of a sudden I'll be covered in bruises and then my hair starts to fall out which is super cute I'm like wow. I'm really shutting a lot. This might be too mild K.. I need to the iron stored. His ferrets heritz interference. And if it's too low can cause hair loss and that's my whole thing. I learned that I'm that I get I get Farrington through you know simple stuff. Yeah so that's that's a really interesting guy is a key. One number two would be exercise. Everyone needs to move. That's the key you in for longevity. In how much would you say because I here's a here's a funny connection. I noticed especially for women. Because we're supposed to do everything and we're supposed goes to do it in a cute outfit with a blow out you know It's like we were meant to do everything you can do. In somehow look like. We walked off a runway all the time. I'm like who has the time but I do because my best friend and I have this incredible inclusive nontoxic hair salon in Detroit. We hear so many women. Say Okay Oh well you know if I get a blow. I'M NOT GONNA work out for three days. 'cause I don't want to sweat out. I hair which I understand but also I'm thinking but we we have to be moving. So what do you recommend you know. Not Everybody has time to go to a spin class or a workout or whatever every day what do you say is the sort of bare air minimum. Something like like Lauren. Who introduced us? She's got these foam rolling videos. You can do at home and you won't sweat. I'm curious as it is twenty minutes. MINIMA Mama Day is thirty. Isn't gopher a long walk after dinner. You know what what do you say when when you talk about daily do nothing. I'll have you start slow and just two walks walks kinda work yourself into. It just depends on your conditioning but I try to get people to do at least three days a week of high intensity interval training it so so that's been shown science shows that that's probably the most effective bang for your buck. You can bang out a hit workout in less than thirty minutes twenty minutes so we're somewhere in there. You can do it in your bedroom. You don't even need any equipment you can you doing. Body weight moves and you can go youtube and find tons of hit workouts else corn. Maybe we'll put together a couple of like and we'll put them in the deadly. It's in the resource on this episode for listeners. Easy easy free. The big thing for me doing this reset. I don't even want to call it. A cleanses really feels like a system reset for me. I realized I have not had a shred of processed food in seventeen days. I feel awesome and it actually hasn't been that hard right. It's not as her as people think. It's not as hard as as you think it's I. I'm dumbfounded actually but I did realize that for me. You know part of it has been in the prep so I've been bringing this back. That's on the floor. I've been doing this. I've been having these giant jars of soup. been bringing walnuts been bringing apples. You know sunflower butter. I'm I'm bringing my own stuff stuff around with me which also likes then. I'm not creating any kind of waste. Everything's in a glass jar. Everything's in container. I own and I'm kinda trucking around like look at at this I feel great and I'm not opening these plastic bags of toxins and pouring them in my face and then wondering why at three o'clock I'm ready for a now is savage. The work they don't provide that for the crew like all these hardworking people know. They're not making a ton of money. You know at least feed in something. 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We stay measure the basic five markers classroom but they're not diving into the particle sizes of cholesterol the markers of vascular inflammation. Those were the things that are predicting heart attacks not just like our work in the IRA. So I see a a ton of heart attacks and fifty percent of people who come in who have a heart attack have totally normal cholesterol. It's normal well. It's like wool. Cluster is not the bathroom. We think it is. It's not it's not that what causes heart attacks like too much sugar inflammation. The particle sizes are off system and heart heart. Disease is actually the number one killer of women in the United States right. So so how if I if I may. How old should we be as men or women when we ask for advanced cardiac panels if you have hard disease in your family heart attacks parents grandparents? Then you know it's hard to say number but at least you're around thirty I would say wow. Our seeing teenagers agers with high cholesterol. Wow teenagers it's so sad where we're headed with this lack of exercise for size and Diet stuff. These kids are eating sitting around in their technology all day long. You and I are out running the streets on our bikes and having a good time be back when the sun goes down kind of thing now so different now. It's so different and it's so out of the wrong way. That's a reason for parents to consider limiting screen time as well. Well get their kids moving around. That's really interesting. Okay so ask for a full thyroid panel asked for start. Start looking at your options for deeper cardiac testing thirty days. Let's say thirty five. Her say yes really hard to save you heart disease out. Maybe even late Twenties early thirties. It just depends with so many factors that number. I wanted to lie and says how much do you weigh. What are you eating are you sleeping? Are you stressed. That's all this stuff matters and affects your cholesterol stress affects your cholesterol. Oh yeah really stresses the killer was going to get us all. Wow Wow that's what causes. All the problems look stress raises. Cortisol that your stress Hormone Cortisol High. All the time you can get title bellied always bet but chronic cortisol elevations causes so many effects on the body comes insomnia depression anxiety. Memory Marie problems low thyroid. You get cholesterol raises hypertension. which is high blood? Pressure Diabetes Gut problems. Hormones get disrupted to low testosterone. Do you think that any of those supplements that say they help to regulate cortisol or legit. opticians yeah they are really like what what do you. What do you mean by an adapter? Gin Gin means that the herb adapts to you. If your cortisol high it'll pull it down if your cortisol ause low it will pull it up. That's why it's called new damaging something like an Oshawa. Gonda is in adapted on a Rodeo Ola. Laura Fini wow she sandra. There's all kinds of adaptions Sandra Berry right. I don't know why I find that word to be so funny. It reminds me of What's the word it's like? It's like Willy. Wonk I to me like the ZANDER varies. Do you know what I mean. It's like snozzberry. I've never forgotten the word because I find it so funny and then I think about a kid licking the wallpaper. A psychedelic movie Those are things that can help. Your daily routine. Is that the kind of thing you'd recommend. Everybody just take unadapted Jin every a day for sure like that's one of the things. Everyone is followed me. Oh that's the life is stressful out there and we can only do we do. We do helps to have some kind of some help. In the body Audie yes and then what about magnesium night awesome. Because you're a big proponent of that I sleep most common nutrient deficiency in people as magnesium really why has a lot to do with the nutrients in our food and our body burns it up. It's involved in over. Used to three hundred reactions in the cell now is over seven hundred hundred reactions in the cell. It's play a role in their man. You better have that tank up. But so many our actions is involved with get sucked down fast and magnesium found in lots of green leafy stuff and people aren't eating enough of that stuff and they're dying anyway and then the stuff that they are eating is not that nutrient rich anymore because our soil isn't what it used to be either right. This is crazy They're looking at a study was done looking at celery in Halle nitric oxide raises in our body from eating celery nitric oxide Vasil dilates blood vessels and keeps unhealthy. Oh then you gotta go back and explain to people what that means. You're like Vasile dilates. What are your doctor? Nitric oxide gets produced in our blood vessel. Walls Okay helps keeps them healthy in elastic back in open injectable and when you talk about a blood vessel are you talking about an actual red blood cell. Blood vessel is like the pipe with which all your blood runs through all however your body all the pipe. The full vascular system arteries rate. You see the vascular system in the suspension at the bodies exhibit using so-called. We should put that in this story for you guys so you can see what when it is. In the walls of the blood vessels your nitric oxides sounds pretty this and helps them be flexible. Elastic protect your cholesterol informing plaque and creating heart disease. So we know that certain foods as we eat like celery can increase nitric oxide production. They looked at where did celery come from the United States. And how much nitric oxide would it produce in the blood vessel system so in Dallas and in Los Angeles you had to eat four five stocks of celery to get X. amount of nitric oxide produced but in New York you had to eat eighty six O of celery to get the same amount of nitric oxide production. So that shows you how. It's so different. Where your food comes from two effector biology? Oh eat this diet. XYZ Diet but denies all relive. Now it's getting very complicated is getting very makes your head spin. This is my implanting my own garden. I'm like fucking I'm out. I'm I'm GonNa just start to grow some things. Things see what happens a little patch. Gardening be amazing. Yeah Ganic okay. So That's interesting. That's where we were though magnesium for sleep you said it's the most common deficiency and why because I know when I take magnesium to sleep it's the best of my life. What what is it doing it? It's a it's a relaxant. Basically it makes you relax. Fueled like magnesium bass magnesium salts it does open up the blood vessels it does vase dilate. We call it. Just relax you. It's very calming and the nervous system to feel good and you sleep good but you know it's something that's one of the things I think most people should be taking. There's different forms of magnesium that you need to know about okay. Magnesium glycemic made in magnesium malate those are the magnesium is absorbed in your body and are good for you but MAG citrate magnesium oxide. Those are the ones that don't get absorbed into your bloodstream. And they stay in the gut and they make you poop. That's why I really products that are more these types of magnesium make you poop. They don't help you relax and feel all good. You need the ones that get in your your body. Interest can't Willy Nilly magnesium it's like Mag Malate or magnesium glysophate good citrate oxide. You're going to be pooping and not getting all the love love. There might be people listening. Who need that is for sure? And in that case go I'll but as the first two that you wanNA take it night. Yeah or if you have problems the cost of patient not give me something I can help take both. I'm taking that form for that relaxation. I'm taking that format and go to the bathroom. So you'd take one of each at night or something interesting. Look look at this the more you now something that I would like to talk to you about and again I know it's probably not totally normal for people to talk about their own medical history or whatever in public but as a woman. I think that this is a really important conversation to have one of the things we ran in a bunch of panels you tested. I mean every thing on and in my body and one of the things that we looked at was genetic testing and and I'll just try to simply explain this for folks at home because I can't show you a diagram but essentially there's these two columns of the genes who inherit from each parent and you'll be able to tell me which one it was. I just remember what they looked like that. Both on one response both were negative. And that's not to say that I don't that my body doesn't do something but it's that it doesn't do something well and the thing my body doesn't do well is mentally and you're going to have to explain what first first of all with the genus second of all what methylated has but the highlight and the reason I want to talk to people about. This is when you saw that you said to me. You're not on birth control are you and I said well I'm not. I'm not taking any form any hormones if that's what you mean and you said good because this genetic marker means that you you wouldn't methylated extra estrogen which could eventually UN methylated build up in your body and lead to breast cancer and I was like Holy Shit because I was on the pill for over a decade and I didn't even know until a couple of years ago that there was a non hormonal birth control option. I actually got to help run an advocacy campaign about if you need hormones here they are if you don't there is a non-hormonal option. There's a copper. IUD that women can get if you need to be on birth control and your body doesn't do well with hormones but I didn't even know that there could be genetic issue or just an issue in the body where you could be taking these hormones thinking you're doing a good thing for yourself actually be doing something bad and I talked to. I don't know forty of my girlfriends girlfriends about this. Co Workers Women. I work with women. I do voting stuff with friends of mine and nobody had ever heard of this and I thought this is a real disservice to women because we have the options. But nobody's talking to us about it and nobody's actually telling us what our bodies do or don't do properly. So can you walk us through that particular genome gene. I don't even know that particular gene so that other women can ask their your doctors for these kinds of tests. You know other women can even find out without going to your doctor for that test. Really Yeah you just go to twenty three and me undo that you can download your raw data off twenty three and me onto your computer. And then you can upload that data to a website it called genetic genie genetic Genie Dot Com. Okay and you upload it and you'll see your method you will upload it to the methylation status US page and you'll it will print out for you what your methylation status is. What will it be positive or negative? Show you all the genes okay and say minus minus Dennis which means you don't have a defect on either gene. 'cause wants from mom and wants from Dad. If it says plus minus that means one of your parents gave you a defect with the plus sign plus plus signs. I mean you have a defect. Plus minus means one pairing gave a defect. The other parent didn't worry have plus plus where both parents gave you a defective gene and doesn't that gene doesn't work great so slow Jane. You'll look up the C O mt gene on the printout. Okay that's the one we did on you talking about does when you're bringing up in win Zeo empty and what happens is fake estrogen from the birth control pill premarin those fake estrogens by the wear made from pregnant Horst P.. Did you know that I'd heard they were animal by product. I thought in some of them income from pigs as well right about that. Oh no pigs are Thyroid medication. That's what it is. I have a friend who doesn't have a thyroid. Nah Uh takes medication. And it's made from pigs so these synthetic estrogens when they get broken down in the body Estrogen S. region gets broken down into three pathways. One of them is breast cancer. Protective one of them can potentially hurt. The breast in the third path is kind of in the middle. The pill will fake estrogens go down the path that can hurt you now that byproduct if your co Mt Gene Works. You will methyl late that it has done. Ain't gonNA hurt. Yeah so we're not saying don't take birth control. We're just saying you need to know how your genes work. You need to her jeans where I don't want that breast breast cancer potential thing building up anyway I. I don't want that to happen. I don't like the pill and Mike You. I'm just not going to go like it causes too many problems. Now if you have a genetic Defect and you can't methylated that that's going to really build up. And that's why you're risking increase so we have to make sure that that gene is checked. Make sure if it's if it's if it's messed stop we know work we're on. How do we support the gene activity? You know having good Matthias being could be vitamins. Don't mercury toxicity. Don't have oxidative stress. There's things you can do to support that gene if it's a problem that's why check it if you're plus plus you're getting off at pill if they're like you know what I'm not doing that not no. No no no no no. I'm staying on the pill then I'll I know ways that I can push your body toward the good path so other ways to correct task from the pill and your malpractice getting audrey refuse. I'll put you on Dinh Diem. It's a it's a supplement that you can take that will push toward toward the good path and away from the bath. God drinking grapefruit juice here and there can block the bad path seeds Berries Christopher's exercising sizing gotta push the Good Path. Because I will say you know obviously from this chair. The pill is so important to so many women and such a revolutionary Aleutian protector of our ability to work our ability to be educated our ability to pursue higher education our ability to family plan. So you know I I. I wouldn't want to not have those options but I think it's really important to know if you're a woman like me or many women out there who don't methylated who just have whatever the genetic makeup is and by the way. Don't think there's something wrong with you. I'm a very healthy person. You know you said it yourself. We looked at my labs. I much healthier than I thought I was. which is great but to know that each of us depending on our genetic makeup are either safe from something at risk of something it was important for me to know and then it was important for me to know that I had other options? But if you know if the thing that my insurance covered was only amy being on the pill I would want to take him and it drink grape juice and make some dietary changes to make sure I could stay on on it and not be worried about it so you gave a great example of story of a woman who would be on the bill and can self advocate. I'm going to do the twenty three million upload my tests. Oh my God look what I have a better do this emmy other. Nobody's telling us this right right. They're not but now he's people know like you can did on your own us. I'm talking about educate yourself. Listen to people who are medically oriented. PODCAST whatever right and you'll learn stuff. Yeah blood in your life and you'll get healthier and more healthy more healthy. When are you going to write a book for us? I should do this. I really really am ready for your book. Ah The three hundred sixty approach to wellness health. Whatever word you like unready for it? It's on the to do list. I think they come close. I'm still working on some things that I will. What do you think what do you think patients? I mean you know. We're talking about waste advocate editor Karen to take better care of ourselves. What do you think we can do to advocate for better options in the healthcare industry because doctors like you aren't covered covered by insurance which is crazy to me because I'm like you're doing ten times as much as a regular doctor? Why wouldn't you be the first person the insurance company would want us to go do because we'll stay healthier are you know? How can we say to our our states and our federal government? We want this kind of care to be covered. What are our options? Let's a good point. And how do you change the system. it's a million dollar question. You know that's always my question. I'm like damn the man. HOW ARE WE GONNA burn in a down and rebuild it matter so the answer is starts with the people with people always has and history and it always will be when you in I in others start to wake people up and they start going to their docks demanding things showing things things proofing things whether it's scientific or not that's working? I WanNa do this and waiting to test this and want you to. I'm doing this. Docs will start to go okay. Well I'm expanding this. I'm doing this and the other I'm going to you know we'll start to see. More doctors changed the way they practice medicine. Then a we know what we want insurance is to pay for the services because we're all doing them out so then they'll start paying for things in is it just takes a long time for it to happen but if the people don't start the process assist it's not going to change. I'm excited for everyone. Listening to this to have a list. They can be armed with to go an advocate for themselves. That's good and it's really really cool. What do you think even go a step further back? What do you think are some of the best questions people can ask when it comes to even finding the right doctor Dr so there to resources I tell people to go to is the Institute for Functional? Medicine has a website where you can click on it and you can log in and put your Zip Code. Find doctors in my area see a list. There's also the a forum. Four AM DOT COM capital a number four than Amazon. Mary Dot Com the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine. They have similar list where you can log in fine doctors in your area who who you know. They're usually conventionally train people of course like myself. And then they've sub specialized into this this world so desperate would go those spots to find people that's cool but other than that. It's Kinda hard to walk into your doctor's office and say hey. Won't you test me this. That and the other some doctors cool about in some way what you know. You're right we have to try. I mean we have to try to exactly stand for yourself and say listen. Listen I want you to check this test. You know it's your health. Is Your Life you take control of it Dole. Let someone else tell you what to do. Yes yes and I think especially for women. There's so many studies that have been released about how chronically doctors ignore women's men's pain and women's symptoms and those studies. The numbers are so much worse. And more compounded for women of color you know you look at the mortality rate for a black mothers in America and it's atrocious. So each of us in our own way has to figure out how to be our own best advocate and what questions to ask and what things to demand when we are in the care of a doctor because there is a good chance that we could be ignored for sure. I totally agree with you. And you know it's about the person standing up for themselves. Don't be afraid just because the guy has a white woman has a white coat in front. Can you doesn't mean they're any better than you need to stand up for what you want and say what you want and believe in what you're saying and be polite but firm not to be rude about it. Just be polite but firm in show why you WanNa do this past and have a conversation with the Times. We're so busy logistic okay. Fine all right all right the scrimp. Let's go something that I did. Learn a a woman who I follow online shared a story about how she was told by another woman. That if you ask for a test and the doctor says no you know your your doctor. Who's your provided to you by your insurance? You have to ask them to mark refusal for requested test in your chart and admit I didn't know that either until a couple months ago and and that if you said like you to document your refusal in my chart please I'm going to watch you do it though very often say okay give me a minute and come back and say you know what will run the test. Because they don't want to be on the hook for refusing care to patients so there's another little tip Dan Le Mans troublesome pops up later they refused. Yeah I think it's really interesting and one other thing that we touched on before before we start winding down. We touched on the the relationship between between our mental health and our physical health and we talked a little bit about how trauma affects the body. There's been this incredible shift where in society were finally finally acknowledging trauma. We're talking about mental health. The resources in the healthcare community of not caught up mental health care is not on the level that it should should be but at least we're discussing the these things were discussing these effects you have advice for patients on on those objects you know for dealing with and mitigating traumatic experience. Do you think that that's meditation. Do you think that that's reading reading about trauma research and then maybe finding a therapist or a modality to to start getting into treatment. Where do you tell people to begin again? Well most people come in with me already been vivid some traumatic event. They're already in some kind of cognitive behavioral therapy. Talk therapy which I find very slow to progress takes forever. It's expensive. It's a lot of time. Come in nothing moves me. I'm more about being more dramatic. Shifts chefs have them look for ways to reset the subconscious ways to reset that pattern with self. You mentioned earlier earlier like you can find someone who does psychedelic journey. And there's a lot of. There's like their psychiatrists doing that. Now they are but it's all underground. Wow but you think we're going to see a big shift in that and then ask the people talk about. It's the the the data and the research and the pavers like you mentioned earlier so strong I think and pray and I know it suicide and will become the next marijuana or we'll they'll start approving it for XYZ conditions and then we'll see it snowball into other things that's going to happen. It's too strong powerful powerful. So that's that's thing that's one way meditations the other A lot of a lot of self work mark like it's just a lot of software but sometimes it's so deep in hard grain in your heart that you have to shake it up a little bit dramatic like that. Yeah so then. There's this supplementation bucket. You know magnesium at night and all the other things that we were talking about I know that the supplement home at market is very crowded. A lot of it's junk. How do you recommend people begin to navigate it? How do people find trusted trusted sources of of things that are actually going to be good for their bodies and not gimmicky? Because you're getting out there. Sometimes I use nutraceutical companies nutraceutical pharmaceutical grade nutrients. Oh Wow so. That's all I ever use patients. 'cause I know it's pure it's checked it's like look real deal and you're getting what it says on the label so if someone wants to get a supplement they should check to make sure it's a nutraceutical are nutraceutical companies out there and you can you can google lists of them but there are some designs for health pure encapsulations or secular Meta Jenex microbiome labs. There's all kinds of off companies. That are amazing. That are 'cause I I use their sub and you see you see. You won't get better so it's working. Don't WANNA go buy low quality. He stuff in sometimes Amazon. You're getting supplements that you don't even know what that is. I can says it's this product but it's not a little scary so I I don't know it's it's it's are regulated industries. So that's why it's a little Dicey Lincoln. No you're getting it from so we'll we'll we'll put up a couple of your resources in the stories on this episode for our listeners. As well well because you don't you don't want to spend money on something that isn't good for you and you and you don't WanNa get duped either but there's like half a dozen a dozen nutraceutical companies are good. Life extensions in other came to mind. But you WANNA use that stuff because it's good stuff works in the body. Okay so if you want to go into like what I think someone should be. Taking at minimum multivitamin. Okay a love curcumin acumen curcumin. 'cause it's an anti inflammatory. My favorite if you could pick one thing on the earth. That's my favorite. Wow Okay cancer. anti-inflammatory Tori lowers cholesterol fights diabetes. It's Antifungal antibacterial antiviral. It's amazing so. Curcumin Multivitamin Multivitamin Vitamin D. I love products. That support the liver to help you. detoxify a lovely Regina Detox by pure encapsulations appellations for that fish. Oil is amazing. An adapted some type of washable. Gonda Rodeo those are the base except you kind the need to keep the system going and good starting point. Yeah and is there any. Can you just take all of those with breakfast. Do they have to be taken at different times a day. The different types of day usually most supplements you take need to be taken twice a day once is too much in the body just eliminates the overload. You can take half and half okay but yeah. It's kind of said all the different buckets as where you have. Your it is all about were you eating. What are you drinking? Are you sleeping. How do you manage stress? Are you exercising stress. I'm like one more thing about that is. That's what's going to get us all as we don't handle stress while life is so stressful. But if you think about it stresses the perception talked about this earlier. We'll color earlier stress. Come go get me a bucket of it and bring it back and show me what. It looks like can't do that. It's your reaction to life. It's how you're reacting to an event or something So one of the rules. I wanted to tell people to do in. The office is called the one month rule. Where if you're stressed worried anxious about something dob ask yourself? Am I going to feel like this in a month from now about this issue or not if you say yes that's legit. It's legit worry but if you say actually now I'm not going to care about that. E emails that argument with my husband or that guy cut me off might go order got jacked up. You're not going to care about stuff like that so let it go. Why hurt your body with stress response so learn to forget stuff but the one month rulers something? I really teach people like. Oh Yeah I come back in. I'm doing that one month thing thing and it's not stress out You know meditate everyday take breaks every day so those are the pillars. I think diet exercise sleep stress. Response Supplements causations spirituality. Work on you and give yourself a break. This is a vicious habit creation. This does take work. He's not going to change overnight but when you think about that one month one through I think if if we all committed to a ten minute meditation in the morning and a handful of supplements I bet. In thirty days. We'd feel different but for meditation. Is the bomb. It makes me feel very hopeful. Thank you so I asked everybody who comes here. The title of the PODCAST is called work in progress. And when you hear that what comes to mind as a work in progress in your life itself the grower can progress and all fearless. You leave this earth you gotta keep working on yourself in the mind body. Spirit way to me. It's more of the mind and spirituality part that's my work in progress right now and so. I think that's where I'm going with. That is going to take me to another level and healing link people and helping people. That's my what I feel in my heart and God. That's so exciting excited to be along for the ride. Thanks for coming on. This show is executive produced by me. Sophia Bush and Sims Arna. Our supervising producer is alison. Bresnik our associate producer is Caitlin Lee. Our editors are Josh Windisch and Matt Sake and our music was written by Jack Garrick and produced by Mark Foster. The show is brought to you by cloud ten and brilliant and Adamy powered by simple cast.
Slowing the Spread of COVID-19
"Major funding for the pulses provided by leadership. Gift from the Sutherland family. The Sutherland support. Whyy and its commitment to the production of programs that improve our quality of life. This is the pulse stories about the people and places at the heart of Health and science. I'm Mike and Scott. I hope you're doing okay. I hope you're healthy. This is such a weird and difficult time is not everything is changing around us so fast. It's hard to keep up with it and yet we're trying to stick to our routines in a way. Kids are still learning things even if they're not in school. Were still trying to do our work even if we're not in the office maybe you're not visiting friends right now. Not Seeing your loved ones on today's episode. We're going to hear about different efforts that are happening in terms of trying to stop the spread of Corona virus and how those efforts are impacting. Our lives first up. I wanted to talk to somebody. Who's really on the frontlines of this outbreak? And he's putting his own house at risk. I just feel like it's inevitable that I'm getting get this. I'm just surrounded by people and we don't even have way testing in a prompt way. That's emergency room physician and pulse contributor Aveer Metro. He works at a large hospital in New York City so he is in a part of the country. That's been hit hard by the corona virus pandemic. I'm world is sick people going. I can't see how I'm not going to get this. So that's how I feel everybody's worried I mean especially some of the doctors who were in nurses who are older you know we have physicians who are like in their seventies sixties and seventies and the mortality rate for. This is crazy so I just don't know what the strategies various trying to do everything right to stay healthy team so that he can continue to serve his patients so when he leaves work. You know I'm trying to take an uber rather than the subway them. WanNa get home like taking off all my clothes before I walk into the apartment than just jumping right in the shower and putting my scrubs in the wash and when he's not working of your has been staying away from everybody he loves. Yeah I haven't been hanging out with friends. I haven't I don't want my parents to come visit me. I don't WanNa see my parents because you know. I'm just worried about spreading something having said that I feel fine but every morning I wake up and I'm like to have a cough wait. You know. I'm a little paranoid about it. Tell me what it's been like working where you work. It's been stressful. Every day is kind of a new policy trying to figure out how to handle the situation along as testing opportunities. Change you know. Every every day something new is happening slowly but surely were getting a good amount of positive cases where the Mickey is starting to get filled with patients. So it's kind of. It's been pretty scary overwhelming and are people still coming in with quote normal. Er concerns like you know a broken leg or a concussion. What have you anecdotally from my perspective? I think less people are coming in for those types of things than normal. It seems like to me at least but definitely people are still having heart attacks and strokes and all the usual stuff. You still see people coming in like. Oh you know I missed my appointment so I thought I'd just come in here to get this cat scan. I needed to get it so I it's it's been very strange because it I mean. It just seems completely unsafe. That were mixing all these people together. And you know New York the ERS. You don't get a separate room for everybody so people are just kind of you know there may be a curtain divider or something so it it just seems very crazy and what do you do so if somebody comes in with a fever and a cough and says. I think I was exposed. What do you do with them? Well every day is changing but in general those clear cut you know. Call Them Kovin rollouts. They're supposed to be immediately masked and brought into an isolated room and then somebody gowns up down up. Go in test them if they're healthy enough to kind of go home whether it out than we tell them go home. Don't leave your home. Quarantine yourself we give them instructions how to do that. And then we have to wait like several days for the results. If they're very sick then we call them a person under investigation. Py which means like we've sent a covert test but we don't know the result but until then we have to presumptively treat them like they are and then we'd miss them and they need a special bed. You know an isolated bed and all this type of stuff of which there is a very limited supply in the city or in general in the country. And if you send somebody home and you have told them quarantine yourself. Does anybody follow up with them to make sure they are okay because sometimes this can progress pretty quickly right right. It's we have a follow up line and there's somebody working there that calls with the results so the turnover time for the test keeps changing but let's say three days. The test comes back someone will call them and let them know negative or positive. Obviously if it's positive they'll check in say how are you feeling? How's everything going you know? And we tell the patients if at any point you feel like this is getting worse than you need to come to the Er you should come to the Er but if you feel like you're okay like this is a cold of Flu. Stay at home. Take care of yourself and don't mingle with other people and do you have any sense of the numbers. I know. It's just been crazy. But what are you thinking? You know. I'm no expert but I think that the numbers are way higher than what we're county. I mean just this week. That's finishing now is just started kind of testing a lot. More people anyone that remotely resemble someone that could be positive. I'm just testing them. A decent amount of them are coming back. Positive of year says anecdotally when he sends out ten tests one of them comes back positive and some of the patients don't even have any symptoms of covert nineteen no fever or coughing but every day is changing. You know when it first started it was like we don't even have a test then it was. Well we have this test. You have to have traveled from another country These specific countries and we all kind of knew already at that point there were cases popping up in new Rochelle which is like ten miles north of us. But we can't test those people what we can test you if you came from China and then it became well anyone who's very sick. In addition to these high risk countries we could test them and then it became just last week. It became anyone with like anyone that youth clinically think could have it. You could test. So that's where we are now just finally like kind of where it should have been a month ago. Aveer is on a group chat with other emergency room doctors and they all share similar concerns. There's just a lot of stress so much we don't know it just seems like sometimes when healthcare workers are getting sick. They're getting a lot sicker than the general public may be because they're getting a huge dose of virus right up front so many discussions going on like you know we use nebulizers a lot for example like if someone has asthma. You know we just put nebulizer albuterol now. There's concern that these things could be creating basically huge. You'll radiuses of droplets around the patient. That's more than six feet. You know maybe twenty feet or something so now. It's like okay. Should we stop using those? Because we're just basically creating a huge risk for everybody around them it's like US spraying the room with corona virus. Exactly Oh my God. Oh so. You're like you're learning this as you go. It really seems like that like a lot of the early discussions were with a lot of the ER Docs from Washington. Who were at the center of this epidemic and now it seems like the tortures getting past. New York where now we have the most cases. But I'll say you know so far we haven't run out of ICU. Beds or isolation beds but my worry is that we're going to. I mean I honestly can't see how we're not going to. Yeah how are you keeping yourself safe? you know. That's another thing it's like it's hard to say. I mean I'm wearing a mask. At first the hospital policy was telling us. We can't wear masks like just out in about and now they're changing their policy to be like okay. If you WANNA wear a mask you can you know you know? There's two basic types of master's a surgical mask and then there's like an N. Ninety five mask in the N. Ninety five mask is supposed to like be a lot. It's better it prevents you from ninety five percent of particles of a certain size from getting in persons. The surgical mask is just kind of this thing. That you know is a cover in front of your face so you know we are very we have to be very stingy with these n ninety five mask which honestly we should probably be wearing all the time. But we're just using them when we're doing procedures otherwise if we're just talking to a patient or doing a physical exam. We're just wearing surgical masks whether that's safe or not. You know I think is very debatable. I mean I'm sure you saw about this as you became an er doctor on some level you know it's it's kind of part of the job but living it must feel completely different. I I don't know I just never thought about things playing out in this way. I always just kind of felt like if something like this was to happen there would be some someone would have figured out. How like there should have been some playbook that someone needs to dust off and be like okay. Here's the pandemic playbook we have everything in place like here. We go like this shuts down. This is how we distribute these things. This is where the stockpiles are of these things. And what's been scary to me is. It just seems like there's no playbook like every one from the top down is just kind of caught flat-footed is this wasn't something that was a real possibility beforehand so in some respects. I kind of feel like a foot soldier like I'm I'm just sent into battle but there but it's kind of like well you don't really have any weapons were we're going to get back to you on that and you don't really have any shields or anything and working on that but for now you guys just go into the battlefield and do your best and we'll keep you posted. Yeah Yeah well I wish you the best and keep yourself safe and will continue to check in with you as this goes on. All right thank you. That's a very. Metra is an emergency room physician in New York City and a regular contributor to the pulse We're talking about corona virus and the efforts to slow the spread of the disease and in many ways. It feels like we're chasing a cat. That's already out of the bag. The national effort to roll out testing for this virus was unfortunately slow and so the tool to to help the public health officials know who to focus on. Wasn't there it's tragic. That's Sheri Fink. She's been tracking the spread of the virus. She is a physician and correspondent for the New York Times and she has covered outbreaks for years. She says testing plays a crucial role for several reasons on an individual level. If people know that they are positive they can isolate and protect others but testing is also really important for public health officials because if they could before. The virus was transmitted widely in communities they could find those occasional cases for example in traveller. Who came from an area where there was community transmission test? That person get a result fairly quickly and be able to notify all their contacts while they were in that zone between catching a virus and showing the symptoms of that virus. So you know help them stay at home and avoid infecting other people during that time testing would also alert public health officials when the virus has gotten into a community in high numbers that helps authorities know whether to take these really disruptive steps that we're seeing now to just mitigate the spread to try to slow the spread so that the health system can handle The number of people who are going to have severe disease and need hospitalization. So that's a small proportion of people. Fortunately but it's significant and if everybody get sick all at once and remember none of us have immunity to this because it's a new virus. If everyone gets sick all at once there could be a you know a huge burden on our healthcare system. So would it make sense to test as many people as possible if we had the capacity to do so or is it better to test those who might have had a connection or might have been exposed? There are some public health officials who are saying that testing. Everybody is not feasible. It could be a burden on the healthcare system and that we really need to focus on the highest priority people at this point. And I think that's mainly because we don't or we're still ramping up in terms of the ability to do testing so if you're if you have a limited resource that think about how to prioritize it and get get the best value out of it so to speak so that's why we're seeing these efforts to possibly roll out drive through and like special places where people could get a test Which would help them make decisions. Which would help the Public. Health system know where people are sick and But also not overburden like your local doctor's office or a hospital that's New York Times correspondent Sheri Fink and drive through. Testing sites are popping up around the country reporter. Chris Bearish visited one of them recently. Along the riverfront in Wilmington Delaware as well as information so that we can identify their swab once. They put us through that information. More than five hundred people were tested for covert nineteen. During a four hour period. Joan Paran director of clinical operations for trauma at Christiana. Care told Chris about the process. It's a nasal swab. It will take a few days for the information to come back and the information will be shared with direct individuals as to the results directly from the CDC. We're only testing individuals that have symptoms. You would get that same treatment if you went to an outpatient center or visit our Emergency Department or went to Your Primary Care Office. We are protecting by wearing our protective gear. Which is what we would wear if you were also in the hospital. Which is a gown gloves mask and goggles? Poor's lined up for two conceit relating patiently. In one of those cars was Karen. She didn't want us to use her last name for privacy reasons. Why are you coming today? I've been sick for like six weeks. I've been sick. Since the beginning of February. I've lost seventeen pounds. Fever body aches and my family urged me to play with him down and get tested. What are the doctor said? Haven't seen while my doctor retired. December sought have another doctor. Shawn Bozen was also there. He came to help his girlfriend. Audra get tested. Audra has been having chest pains a sore throat. Fatigue and backache BS issue went into her primary on Tuesday was Tuesday. Yeah with flu like in their Alexa home. Get loose off and got like went to her chest Call this morning and they still wouldn't give her a test so we heard about this. I bet you are you. I mean she gets. She's got it. I got it but do have you had these. So how long how long you've saved feeling this since since Tuesday. Well we think your heating travel overseas or anything right you work. What kind of work? But she at a restaurant at a restaurant. Yeah I mean we're mainly doing it just because the people around us we wanna know what's going on and make sure that you know if we are infected than you know we stay away from everybody but for not then you know we can continue on with their lives okay. Hey thanks bill that was Chris Barish of whyy reporting in Wilmington Delaware. Sheri Fink the physician and New York. Times correspondent says there's one more option in trying to get a handle on how many people have the virus that public health officials could use. They already have a system in place for surveillance of influenza of the flu. Where the swabs that get taken in a doctor's Office for example? If you think you might have the flu there had been a hope that these different localities that participate in the flu surveillance could also be testing those swabs for corona virus to really give public health officials a sense of how widespread among people who have flu symptoms. How widespread is the corona virus and that has been somewhat limited so far. But I understand from you know things that the federal government has has given us a sense that a small proportion of those samples seemed to be testing positive. Sherry says if you have symptoms tried to find out what? The testing situation is in your community. Check your local governments public health website. Call your doctor. And if you can't get tested quarantine yourself so that you don't spread the virus to others for the last couple of weeks. It's felt like a train was coming toward us. March ninth or two hundred and eleven thousand cases globally I. It was far off in the distance. Was it even GonNa hit us but then it was coming closer and closer and then march twelfth. I think we're going to look back and say that this was the day that the nationwide pressure to social distance to cancel. Everything really took hold. That's Alison Button. She is a public health official in Philadelphia. We're asking people from all around the country to send US audio. Diaries little time capsules of their lives. Now and sanitizers schools in Seattle have closed. Today was our first stack of home. Schooling and the work was really easy but it was really really boring. My Name's Lydia. It's about nine o'clock here in Houston in two days. I will be thirty three weeks pregnant. It's sort of strange to have this global pandemic going on right as I am about to finish being pregnant and hopefully give birth. Good news is lots of truck. Traffic Product is being moved and We're hoping that's a good sign. Here's James He's a critical care nurse so I just got a twelve hour shift. Works in Weird as one might imagine everyone. It's like I was told to work from home for the next thirty to forty five days because people in our office or showing signs of the virus so my name is Joey Bong and I'm a second year. Obgyn resident physician at a major university hospital in Atlanta Georgia. We've canceled all of our elective procedures. Elective Clinic visits so that way. When the influx of patients really starts to become overwhelming. We have some capacity to take care of them. Scientists are telling us they're trying to figure out how to keep their research labs going wild working from home. Field were has been cancelled. Everything closed. I can't borrow specimens for museums or even examined frogs and lizards of my own lab. I've got access to computers so I could in principle keep doing my research thinking about what's needed in this moment but also about the long-term fallout marine biologist. Eric Cordis recently found out that the entire US oceanographic fleet was put on a thirty day. Hiatus that means no research vessels. This will have repercussions that will probably last for years. It's complicated enough to schedule. All those ships all over the world and all the different investigators that are getting on board and chief scientists and permitting and foreign nations and all of that is going to have to basically start over and reschedule all of the different expeditions. That are supposed to be going on now. If you want to be part of this time Capsule Project. Get in touch on facebook or twitter. Whyy the pots. Everything is cancelled right now. Concerts sports events on a personal level parties birthdays dinner with friends trips. But here's the story of a couple who decided to cancel their own wedding. Irena Zora reports Nathan Barfield and Savannah Stran- had been planning their wedding for more than six months. It was supposed to happen this weekend. The actual ceremony was supposed to be in the church that my grandparents got married in. My parents got married into my brother got married last week. They had one more thing to do. They want to get their marriage license. I filled out my portion with my beautiful engineering style block handwriting. And then I gave the form to mate and then he was butchering before. And I was fretting first fretting about the bad handwriting which led to much bigger doubts. And then I was like well. Should we get married? Savannah wasn't doubting their union but the idea of bringing together people for a party during a pandemic release set in. She called her brother who lives just across town and he told her he probably wouldn't come then. Her sister-in-law started crying on the phone and we walked up to the desk. Said we're GONNA wait 'til after the plague and we put forum in the trash can walked out. Here's Nathan the groom. My main concern was for my mother. She lives under relatively rural area and so is like pretty isolated and I just felt like it would be irresponsible to bring her chip place and introduce possibly introduced to the virus for them. It's the gathering of all their people not the ceremony. That was most important and they didn't want to expose all of the people they love to. This risk think we made. The right decision obviously was a difficult decision. Make the food. The venues. A lot of that stuff was being done by friends so they can reschedule without losing much money that some things were harder to cancel. Well we're trying to use as much as possible may cover your ears a wedding. Flowers have been repurposes. Nate's birthday flowers still the whiplash of how quickly things changed has been disorienting like two weeks ago. The worst possible thing that could have happened was rain like that. Feels like another lifetime ago? Now googling how to home school my son like what happened. I am massively bumped like I just wanted to see all my friends. My son has a cute little thinks that he wanted to wear the wedding will grow out of it by the time we get married. I'm I'm salty. They're gonNA make the best of it. Nathan is chef so they won't be suffering for good meals at least but like so many people they're worried about the fallout from all this. For example in terms of the local economy norms huge jurist destination. There for the economy is built on tourism in. There's a lot of restaurants that will have to close on. Some May. Never come back because they won't have the money to do it. That story was reported by Irena Zora So we have people canceling their wedding and then others who are still going to bars or hanging out with their friends. I've heard a lot of people complaining about family members and friends and the arguments fly back and forth. You're making all of us unsafe or you're being way too paranoid about this chill out. I talked to Roy Hamilton. He's a cognitive and behavioral neurologist at the University of Pennsylvania and he says humans are pretty bad at assessing risks. Especially as they pertain to large numbers. Will we make assessments of risk based on numbers? They're often influenced by other mental strategies and thought patterns and processes that we take for granted. We often rely on what are called cognitive heuristic six and so you can think of those as shortcuts and we need those shortcuts otherwise we would experience paralysis by analysis. All the time like we can't stop and calculate the exact risk of getting hit by a car. Every time we cross a street we look and we go. Sometimes we call this making an educated guess or common sense. But Roy says there are other examples of ristic's like one called availability bias. So What I mean by that is that it is often the case that we have a tendency to confuse how frequently something occurs with how often we have heard about it and you can imagine how in the early days of civilization this would have been useful. You know there's a hungry wild animal animal looming outside your village and you're hearing about it from several people the more people you've heard about it from maybe that's a good reason to have a higher level of alarm however in a world where we have lots and lots of access to information and where you can basically seek out Information and and be informed in a sort of echo chamber. It can actually lead people to some distortions about How often certain things occur or how likely something is to occur to them. So if I'm seeing again and again and again on twitter or on social media that there's no toilet paper there's no toilet paper that's GonNa make me think there's not gonna be any toilet paper and I need to run out and buy it right now while it is the case that These kinds of Bisi can influence behavior. So I think that's an interesting example that if the message has come through over and over again that something is the case it may actually refi that it might cause it to be more the case because it might cause people to go ahead and as you would say have a run on toilet paper making the availability absurd like doubling down on the theme of availability. Roy says another example of your ristic's or thinking shortcuts that comes into play with this. Corona outbreak is the herd mentality. We look to other people in our community and copy what they are doing and modern herds roam across facebook and twitter where accuracy varies. Roy says on a personal level he's following the guidelines set out by public health officials. He's keeping his distance and not going to his office. I am speaking to you from home where I'm also going through a couple of week trial. We'll see how long of home schooling my children while trying to get the work done as well. These are steps that are recommended by experts and it is not the case or at least. I'm trying not to let it be the case that the number of times I have to think about the the steps that I'm taking to mitigate the spread I'm not trying. I'm trying not to let that confuse me about what my personal risk is. And how anxious about that right? So you're trying to do all the right things while also staying calm yes. That is the goal. That's all of us right now. Right yes exactly right but it's it's sort of. It's hard right because you're doing all these things and then every once in a while my brain is kind of like. Hey you're in the middle of a crisis freak out like now you know said there. Is this this part of us? That wants to go there. It is very human of us to To have these kinds of reactions these kinds of shortcuts to thinking you know they've protected us for the lifespan of our species from dangerous things however they had the tendency that come at the cost of a certain amount of anxiety stay home. Wash your hands and no matter. How many pictures of empty toilet paper shelves you see on facebook resist the urge to run out and buy more roy? Hamilton is a cognitive and behavioral neurologist at the University of Pennsylvania. Coming up a vaccine could stop the virus in its tracks but cannot come fast in remade it into lap sitting into but the next step which comes more complicated tend to come on the pulse support for the pulse comes from select. Greater Philadelphia Life. Sciences talent is coming to Greater Philadelphia to study live and work in its leading universities laboratories start ups and tech companies more at discovery starts here DOT com. This is the pulse. I Mike and Scott. We're talking about different efforts to slow the spread of Corona virus. There's so many developments every moment now and scientists are trying to keep up with everything one issued to think about now is medical quarantine is happening to a lot of people who have tested positive for the virus and while it helps keep everybody save it can be traumatic for patients reporter. Alan you look at the experience and how it could be less painful writer. Michelle Land Hirsch has been thinking about all. The people being quarantined right now because she's been through something similar though on the different circumstances when she was twenty five. She had thyroid cancer. The treatment for this is to swallow tablet of radioactive iodine. You actually become radioactive. It's pretty wild and not fun the day before it was to happen. I actually consider telling them never mind. I don't want this part of the because the idea of being radioactive and knowing that I could endanger other people as well was really scary but she knew she had to do it. So Michelle went into a room with a radioactive warning logo people came in wearing counts and mosques and she swallowed radioactive pill and that's what the isolation started for three days in a safe room with no windows in a hospital in Manhattan and so I was stuck in this room where I wasn't supposed to go near any other human beings. I had such a feeling of isolation and almost no intellectual stimulation and really very little communication with other people. She could have visitors in the way. On the second day of my Corentin my mother visited the hospital but it I saw just the tip of her nose in the doorway because they would not let her within something like fifteen feet of me to protect her from from what was in my body. I just heard her voice from faraway. I saw her nose. I saw maybe like a tiny bit of her shoulder. It was really upsetting for my mom because she wanted to hug me and comfort. I'm her kid and the doctor said No. Her mother asked what if I'm a few feet away from a show for just a minute in the same room. The onset was still no and in some ways honestly that was worse than if someone I loved had not visited me nurses and medical staff will take care of Michelle. They would wear devices to log. How much radiation they were exposed to. It felt like I was in this dystopia in film or something. You know where people around me were. Basically logging. How much exposure they were getting to the bad thing. That was inside my body right. There was a moment where I happen to sneeze. And one of the nurses happened to be in the room to bring me something and she definitely kind of scuttled away. I totally felt like a freak. Michelle has been reflecting on her experience now. More people being quarantined or put in isolation to stop the spread of the new corona virus. It is an extremely psychologically isolating thing to be physically isolated. She says it would be ideal if people in quarantine or isolation could talk to a therapist or social worker. Someone who understands that being cut off from the rest of the world is hard. There is not a lot of research on the psychological toll of being quarantined. One of the few studies came from the SARS outbreak. In the early two thousands Laura Hari lock is an intensive cat doctor at Toronto Western Hospital and also teaches critical. Care Medicine. She worked on the frontlines during the entire sauce outbreak. Some of our friends and colleagues hats be quarantined that her and some of the doctors wondering what that does to someone. One of the things that was most striking was the anxiety that people were experiencing in the confusion of messages. That were happening at the time. Laura and her co authors found symptoms of PTSD and the Prussian in about a third of the people they surveyed with more symptoms the longer someone is quarantined as an ICU doctor. Herself Laura had to wear full protective gear. Every day the end ninety mosques something akin to a has matsue so she's also thought about how challenging it is for medical staff to care for isolated patients. Patients can only see your eyes and so that very human contact's of forming a really strong therapeutic relationship is much more difficult when you can't see somebody's face it's much more difficult to reassure somebody or to treat them to out them. I understand that you understand anxiety and and Provide woke all of us would consider the best care that we can. She says that above all else what matters is that patients have consistent source of reliable information and know who they can turn to for help. People are quarantined. Aren't people that were isolating off from society? There are people that we owe a duty to care for and that duty needs to be spelled out loud and clear so that people do feel cared for not abandoned. Laura says quarantine and isolation are fraught measures to contain outbreaks but there will be more emerging diseases. So she says we should think about how to with well. One of the first people to be quarantined in the US during this corona virus outbreak points to his experience as a good example union lives in Minnesota but he went so Wuhan to visit his family for Chinese New Year. The Corona virus outbreak was ongoing when he arrived but back then he and his family could still off amuse in China. We designated my sister truly is a person who touches everything for example. He's pushing the button in the elevator. She was wearing gloves a pair of gloves. The whole time and I was carrying some cleaner so whenever we touch anything we will wash hands right away after several days. Ulan was evacuated back to the US. With all the other Americans they will quarantine at a Marine base in San Diego for fourteen days. He stayed in a sweet like a hotel room with a living room. Coffeemaker bedroom shower staf with checkers temperature. Regularly he'd have breakfast launch the CDC and the US Public Health Service would be there every afternoon to hold a town hall meeting and answer all their questions CDC. You're the real good job which is cameras down to us. It is okay to just try to relax. Have good stay. Since they didn't have symptoms and were monitored regularly. They were allowed to mango and some even make friends with each other. We ASK FOR SOCCER. So kicking soccer ball and in some people would be dancing in the courtyard and actually later lady who teaches kind of monitoring so she was actually teaching many of us. Just how'd you walk the runway? And yes you did. Learn the runway walk. He says the Internet there was actually faster than what he had back home in Minnesota. He is very grateful for the staff contractors and even who worked hard to keep them comfortable at the end of two weeks. He got us a typical showing that he had been quarantined. Did Not have the virus and was safe to go back to society while we were leaving. It's more like a graduation because we made so. Many friends are scenes One of the passing can happen in a very unusual situation. That story was reported by Alan. You you're listening to the pulse. I Mike and Scott. We're talking about slowing. The spread of Corona virus vaccine could stop the virus in its tracks. I talked to one researcher who is working on such a vaccine and it sounds a little bit like two in one shampoo. That has the conditioner already mixed in. This vaccine uses the existing rabies vaccine and then adds a bit of SARS cova to protein. That's tagging along. Sars covy to is the official name of the virus and covert nineteen is the illness that it causes reuse basically a existing vaccine interest at a new component. Because it's very important for for new vaccine that you actually can also put us it. This is Mattias. Schnell is chair of microbiology and Immunology at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. So we learned what pod of that specific protein we have to use and how the incorporated in our viral vector his lab work on vaccines for emergent diseases. They've done work on Ebola and merce and they started working on covert nineteen about two months ago and now they've developed vaccine options. They have three candidates that look promising but Mataya says making the vaccine is the quote. Easy part remade it into lamp. We have it sitting into lamp but the next step which comes are more complicated. Which means you have to do. Animal experiments to confirm it's not toxic. And it actually really irks immunogenetics. Odette take sometime. That's something we just started recently sat in the next one. You have to find somebody who uses a vaccine in a in environment where you can produce vaccine it has to be germ free and has to be a lot of testing so that takes time and send you half a phase one clinical trial by you look for toxicity in humans and you just need time you have to Moniz humans. You can enroll them all advances step by step after that you still have to do phase two and phase three clinical trials. And if all goes well then bring the vaccine to market optimistically in Proofed FDA approved vaccine for the general population at least a year while. So you may hold right now. Does that feel weird to sort of? Hold the key. That could really solve a lot of things but you cannot release the key just yet. Yeah I mean I I know Seh procedure so it's fine be real outta vaccines. We Really Close Visa Ebola vaccine so i. I think it's wrong to tell people things like I can make a vexing three months because it's not really true and I think we have to be careful not giving filed security to people But it'll be one hour are not one is increasing. The years will be something out there. Is there ever a temptation to? I'm thinking back about some other people in time in history who who developed vaccines who tried them themselves. So is there ever sort of that temptation of like? Oh my gosh. I wish I could just tried this thing out. That crossed my sort. But you won't do that. Of course it's not illegal. I mean you can do it but it's probably legal. It may be stupid. That is not as Schnell. He is chair of microbiology and Immunology at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia and one more thing he said was really important. This crisis showcases. How important quote basic sciences? The fact that his lab can move so quickly. Developing a vaccine is all built on research. That was done before. But help us understand different mechanisms. It's based on virology which was developed in immunology. All that stuff you need. Lots of US have been caught off guard by this pandemic but many scientists and infectious disease experts have been sounding the alarm bells for years one hundred years ago the deadly influenza virus infected hundreds of millions of people some are in the order of fifty to one hundred million deaths. Talk about another flu pandemic cabinet. It's not a matter of if but when so. We had set out to show what people all around. The world are all the time to prepare us and to respond in the case that something new emerges New York Times correspondent Sheri. Fink is also one of the creators and Executive Director of the new netflix documentary. Pandemic how to prevent an outbreak. It's a six part series that features global perspectives from researchers and healthcare workers. It had been in the works for years and production wrapped up before this current pandemic started when you were producing this documentary. You were using all the language we're hearing now. It's not if it's when people have seen this coming for years and years bud. Their messages rarely heard. Because if it's not breathing down our neck. Nobody really wants to hear about a pandemic coming our way. So do you think we will finally as a global community get prepared for something like this and really double down on some of the systems that need to be in place? I think this has been one of the most known of the rare potentially catastrophic threats that face our societies. Have we done enough to prepare absolutely not? Is it ever possible to be perfectly prepared? No it's not. Will this wake us up and lead to More efforts absolutely it will and perhaps some real innovations and so. I hope that we will come out of this with some improvements. Some system some learning some things that on a government level and private level and even on a household level for our own selves. That will help us in case of future emergencies. The problem is that we tend to sort of let that slide a bit and if you're not constantly kind of Investing in preparedness than those strengths can wither away fairly quickly so I think this should be a reminder that it's important to make those investments on a day when when an emergency seems far away what have you learned in all of you of work and reporting on different pandemics and and outbreaks. What do you do personally to stay safe and sane during these times you know everybody's afraid and this is a frightening time and I think one really important thing to remember. Is that it. It won't last forever that we're going to get through it. And that we all have the power to help which is by decreasing the chances that we get exposed and get sick and then if we do get sick of by doing things that can help protect other people so the more that each of us participates in that the more that we're going to contribute to helping this not be as bad as it could be and I think it is important to focus on self care to Be Mindful if you're getting very stressed do things that can help reduce that stress. That's New York Times correspondent Sheri Fink. She is one of the creators and Executive Director of the Netflix Documentary. Pandemic how to prevent an outbreak. It's a virus. We'll get past it. There will be a tomorrow. That's our show for this week. The pulses production of whyy in Philadelphia. You can find US wherever you get your podcasts. If you want to be part of our audio diary project about the Corona Virus Pandemic. Please get in touch with us on facebook or on twitter at. Whyy the pulse. Our Health and science reporters are Alan. You Liz tongue jets. Lehman and Steph. Yin Our intern. Is Sabrina M.'s? We had production assistance from Julian Harris. Charlie Kyler is our engineer exterior Lopez our associate producer Lindsay. Lazar Ski is our producer. I Mike and Scott. Thank you for listening. General Health reporting on the post is supported by the Thomas Scattered Good Behavioral Health Foundation an organization that is committed to thinking doing and supporting innovative approaches in integrated healthcare. Whyy's health and science reporting is supported by generous grant from the Public Health Management Corporations Public Health Fund Ph MC gladly supports whyy and its commitment to the production of services that improve our quality of life.
OnEducation Presents: Monica Burns at #FETC
"On Educations FETC twenty twenty coverage is sponsored by fidgets fidgets are interactive USB sensors that. Bring your coat to life. There's there's no soldering or wiring required simply plugging at fidget censor Greg Cote in your favorite language and watch your ideas come alive. Digits are used by thousands of stem. Dan Professionals Globally and are now available for computer. Science students simply go to sleep fidgets on education to get your introductory kit that includes a free sensor worth over fifty dollars. That's bitterly fidgets on education. So you're busy easy all the time. It's wild I welcome to the PODCAST. Everyone we are pumped thrilled jazzed. I Dunno other words to say about being joined by Monica Burns. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me so exciting citing to live in person yes. FETC Beautiful Miami weather at Monica Burn sitting with us. It's been wonderful under fought. It's been a really fun. Couple days connecting with people meeting New People and seeing lots of familiar faces so a really fun week. So you're busy What do you tell us about your sessions? Russians the sessions fleas so on Tuesday. I had two workshops. One was just me doing some spark activities. So I'm start to finish activities. That could be used across the content areas so that was really fun hands on stuff I love and the afternoon was a panel so I was with Some other educator friends talking about copyright and creativity which was great lots of movement and people trying things out and talking through case studies. That was really fun and then on Wednesday I had an opportunity to help kick off the conference as part of the educator track orientation so meeting with those who were totally new. FETC in one and some tips and strategies and then I had an afternoon session on reading instruction and then today I had three small sessions short on time on virtual reality in the classroom term so mostly easier entry things you could do for free with or without a headset one on school storytelling showcasing some of the spark tool so how to tell your school story story strategically and then I also did a session on formative assessment so checking for understanding a wide variety of topics to be an expert at maybe some educators out. There have not used adobe spark right and they may have heard of it or whatever might be it is a free free tool right Could you tell us more about it. Why simple might want to go ahead and try out absolutely so I love the spark tools I came across them and their earlier generations ends because they were free they worked on the device? Says I've also done some work with their team which has been really fun as well and so I love them because you can do all sorts of things. It's not a public service announcement making tool or a a newsletter making tool right. It's open ended creation tools that you can use in lots of different ways which is always when I'm on the hunt for something that's free or free to get started something. You can use a multiple devices and something. That's not trapped to just one content area or grade level that you can really use a choose your own adventure sort of way. So we're we happen to have copies of this amazing book here. Forty ways to inject creativity ready to your classroom using adobe spark books like this as an instructional coach or tech integration assault. There are really key to basically making that connection between a tool that we finished describing kind of the power of it but then actually showing some ways to be able to implement it as far as in the classic described kind of the book itself and and some of the lessons so that you share. Yeah so I often talked in schools visiting schools or district events or big events like these ones about the power of creativity and Chretien in the classroom awesome. But what does that look like right. How can I do this? And is there a tool that can help me make this happen because we need to have tools in her tool belt to put this into action and so this this particular book has all sorts of activity ideas that really take you step by step through what it would look like to prepare for this activity to implement this activity and even extend it maybe bringing in another favorite tool as well or pushing it to a particular you might not have thought of before so we do make some General Standards Connection. So saying this is how you might use this in an e a focus. Or when you're thinking about speaking and listening in the math classroom so a little bit more general general there she can tell her at two whatever standards a year focused on and same thing with grade level bands. We give some recommendations but we also start off saying how you can scale this right in different different directions depending on your level of expectations the same rubric. You've always used been talking about right. Having students give a summary of a book or writing a persuasive zip piece right here is just a way for them to share what they've learned. That's more creative. That gives students more access to this as a resource to share what they've learned and hopefully it's the next cited to have an audience to share two and a tool like this is so underrated in in In the sense that I so I I spent a lot of time talking about allowing kids the opportunity to share what they've learned in lots of different ways spark is an awesome tool for. We're just giving kids the like an open opportunity to like inject you know their style talk about how how that happens like how does the happened. And what does that. Look like when you're giving kids a tool like this to to to demonstrate what they've learned. I love how you mentioned. That idea of their style right there brand and might not be a term that they use or we even use. But that's what it is right. It's their energy. That comes through their style. That comes through and whether you know students are consuming lots of content rent or just a little bit of content right. They know that someone's Youtube Channel feels a certain way that that tick Tock Star. They love is making videos. That have a certain kind in a band or style to them. So it's something where they know this as a consumer and so as a creator they can take that on as well so it's really something where they can choose the themes they can decide what kind of music they wanNA have consistently on the content that they are producing right essentially and maybe they've chosen music. That goes a little a bit better with the type of book that they're making a book trailer of or that's more compelling further science lab report or whatever it might be if they're making a movie they're still taking their own view of the world putting it into this product and they can keep their audience in mind at the same time and this the pathway to other tools like it's the pathway you too like if if if the video stuff is what your folks get into like flip grid and even like little like youtube ing and doing doing video video streaming and if If then you decide that young the audio is really. What you're into you can get into podcasting leads the pathways that this takes you? Two are are pretty endless too right. Yeah so what I really like about these tools specifically side. It's easy entry point so I was actually talking to some educators in Maine it may do as a year or two ago and one of them was teaching a kind of very intense level of movie editing in their class and she said to my kids cannot handle handle final cut pro yet right. This is going to be their way to prepare for this experience. 'cause I'm not so worried about the editing and the buttons all of that not just yet I want the content to be front and center and this is going to help police that there while still having conversations on what kind of colors kind of font. What kind of transitions will well? I need if I'm thinking of a movie or a graphic. What kind of Color Palette is going into that tone and translate it to someone who's going to know that without even reading the details they get a sense of the energy right away? There's something to be said about being able to use a tool like this though as far as time factors because we have unlimited amount of time time with our students we want them to be able to create. But we don't want the learning of the specific tool to take over the time. Now like for example Apple. Mike's classy taught a computer science. Those types of things were in teaching specific skills about Photoshop. Or whatever might be where you're gonNA spend a good amount of time Using that but something like this anybody can then use it in their classes and then be able to use it without thinking. Too hard about INS and outs of how the tool is it. Just kind of it just works. It's such a great point because there's a lot of transferable kind of component to this right so you've been you're jumping in like I know this is where I can add. My voice or adding voice is a component of this or I should be able to add more text to this rate so they have that sort of transferable skill. That's not tool dependent as even jumping from the spark tool to something else or even between the spark tools between video and post and pay rate. And then there's also the time factor to consider right a big part heart and it's a super valid concern right as the. I don't have time to do this. I don't have time for this new thing. I can barely do all the other things right and we all know how that feels all know that when we make a case for something. We want to acknowledge that when we're talking to teachers who have very clear constraints on what can happen right with the minutes in the day and so this is a tool where you can dive. I've really deep. I've spent time summer camp this past summer actually with six seven eight year olds who were jumping into spark post and making storyboards to tell their own story at Auckland in animals and all their adventures and then high school students who were spending a couple days right creating a video product. Embedding it into a web. Page making something something. That's more dynamic so very scalable for the one day we have twenty minutes allocated for this activity we see value in it. And here's where it's going to fit in or or something. That's a little bit more rich in terms of the time commitment and then the actual product that's produced so you're busy all the time it's wild and not only are you busy you have. I mean I told this the Mike the first time we were going to have you on the show first of all when I saw your name as far as that we had booked do as a guest. I was super excited because I had used your resources for such a long time. And there's a lot of teachers out there that listen to this or whatever it might be that they are. They feel isolated. They don't have an instructional coach. They live in a rural place like I did with. It was only like forty teachers. Total in the entire district and so we need that people. I mean so grateful to have people like you to be able to share those resources on your blogs you have a podcast also to where you're actually sharing these amazing like Lettuce Colin Temps as far as how to be able to use these things and use the minute like timely matter you let's say you can attend attend a conference like this. You're able to share those things which we greatly appreciate. I mean I've said that to Mike Ers Having you on I was like Oh my gosh. This is amazing And I'm sure there's a lot of teachers like that are going on to your website and then also listening to you as far as your podcast so share about your your your website and your podcast through so I come from a similar type of background although in a very big district Teredo very lots and lots of people are you can feel isolated very easily when you're starting something new. You're not sure where to go. And that's really how a lot of my work started with Feeling this need or being asked to in many cases right to share things and just be more strategic. He check about that so my big goal is to help you know. Make Ed Tech Easier for teachers. Right how can I make this so it's bite size. You know it's going to work. That's not for me onto the next thing. Whatever it is and so my blog class tech tips dot com has been going strong now since two thousand twelve already which is pretty wild great as we're in the twenties now so class tips dot com? I designed as a place to showcase strategies showcase resources. Sometimes I'll partner with folks to to show off if something special that they're working on and it's also now where I host my podcast. So the easy attack podcast. I've designed to be under twenty minutes once a week. It goes out Tuesday mornings earnings. It's been just me. I did a bonus interview episode last year and a whole bunch of do a couple more this year But it's just me sharing something that's a strategy that go through say. Here's some implementation tips. Here's some things to think about. I'll go into at all. Share some stories from my own classroom as a teacher or classrooms. I spent time in now and that I ended up with four quick tips on how to make it easy right. Let's just now even bring it down even further in these last few seconds right one two three four now go run with it and and so the podcast has been great. It's almost a year already which has been really fun and that in addition to my memberships ain't that easy Ed Tech Club as well as the blog the instagram sharing and all those other things have been just a lot of fun and really wonderful to connect with folks from all over the world. Thank you Monica Burns for joining us. This this is great. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks for listening to on education. 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Cattle Current PodcastJune 18, 2020
"Fit Cal prices trended lower on Wednesday. Ers increased its expectations for feeder cattle prices this year coming up on your cal, her market update with West Ishmael. How did all this is? Where sexual with your cavill, current market update for Wednesday night and Thursday, morning date tenth June. Negotiated cash fit. Cal prices continued to to six dollars lower on a live basis Wednesday at one hundred one hundred dollars, one hundred weight in the southern Plains and mostly one. Oh, to Nebraska. Prices were at ninety nine to one hundred and two dollars in the western corn belt on Tuesday. Dress trade was one sixty, two, one, sixty, two, which was five to ten dollars Lower Nebraska and steady to ten dollars lower in the western corn belt. Also on the day cattle feeders offered twelve, hundred twenty hit in the weekly fit, cattle, exchange, auction and unsold. Choice tears ever soul, two dollars and twenty five cents to fifty lore at the fat auction, and take our. There are one hundred twenty two choice. Two to four steers Wayne an average, thirteen, hundred and seventy eight pounds, and bringing an average one. Oh four thirteen. At Sioux Falls Regional South Dakota slaughter steers, and ever sold three to six dollars lower. There are four hundred ninety eight head of choice. Three to four steers Wayne, an average of fifteen hundred and thirty three pounds, and bringing an average of one or two seventy six camel futures mostly tread water on Wednesday, though a mid continued light trade live cattle, futures closed an average of twenty two cents higher except for unchanged in December except for thirty two cents lower in the back to contracts fear cattle, futures closed an average of thirty six entire. Choice box beef cut out. Value is nine dollars and ninety six cents lower Wednesday afternoon at two hundred seventeen dollars and ninety three cents. One hundred weight select was five dollars nine cents lower at two eight Oh eight. Corn futures closed mostly fractionally lower while soybean futures close three to four cents higher. cavs fears sold mainly steady, the higher the weekly Wednesday auctions monitored by cal current. Theater steers weighing less than nine hundred pound sold steady to mostly two dollars higher at o'casey West in Orinda Oklahoma steers way more than nine hundred pounds soulful like three to five dollars higher feeder heifers. They're sold three to five dollars. Higher lower undertones were noted for a limited test of cavs. The previous day there are ten thousand, five hundred and eighty four head. Head on offer across both days at hub city livestock auction in Aberdeen South Dakota steers, Wayne, eight, fifty, nine, fifty, and the thousand two thousand fifty pounds sold mostly steady, while steers way nine fifty one thousand pounds sold to three dollars higher heifers way nine hundred to nine, fifty sold four to five dollars higher. There were twenty five hundred ten head on offer. Fierce steer soul steady two dollars higher at south central regional stockyards in Vienna Missouri. Twenty four hundred and sixty seven head. The exception was one two three dollars lower for steers Wayne near six hundred pounds feeder heifers Wayne, lesson five hundred pounds traded two to five dollars higher, and then steadied four dollars lower. It have your weight. Compared to two weeks earlier. Steer soul to four dollars higher at Hus-, lock stock market in Nebraska heifers traded unevenly steady. There are twenty three, hundred, twenty seven hit on offer. Fear steers way more than eight hundred pounds soul to three dollars higher at winner livestock. Dodge city higher undertones noted for steers weighing less than eight hundred pounds fear heifers wind seven, fifty, eight hundred pound sold five to six dollars higher, there eighteen hundred seventeen head on offer. Finally Steers Wayne four hundred five hundred pounds sold steady to two dollars lower at Saint Joseph's stockyards, Missouri while steers Wayne more than five hundred pound sold five to ten dollars. Higher hampers wine. Three hundred to five hundred fifty pounds sold three to five dollars more, but three to five dollars higher at five, hundred fifty to seven hundred pounds, and in one to two dollars lower at heavier weight, there, fourteen, hundred and forty seven hit on offer. Major US financial analysis lost recent steam Wednesday with some likely profit taking and continued uncertainty about covid nineteen. The Dow Jones. Industrial Average closed one hundred and seventy points lower, the S. and P. Five hundred closed eleven points lower, but the Nasdaq was a fourteen point. With higher anticipated fit cattle slaughter for the remainder of the year feed lot marketings will increase say analysts with USDA's economic research service, explaining the faster pace of marketing and higher forecast fed cattle prices than last month will likely improve feed lot demand for feeder cattle. That's from the latest monthly livestock dairy and Poultry Outlook based on recent price data. ERS increased the projected annual fear steer price by almost seven dollars compared to the previous month to one hundred and thirty one dollars and forty cents, one hundred weight. That's basis Oklahoma City the projected second quarter, fierce price was raised by five dollars, one hundred twenty six forecast price for the third quarter increase, nine dollars, two hundred thirty dollars, and the fourth quarter price projection rose thirteen dollars to one hundred thirty one dollars. ERS S analysts explain in the second quarter beef packing capacity declined by as much as forty one percent, which prompted lower prices for fed cattle, as be production declined wholesale beef prices skyrocketed, which greatly expanded packer margins. However, they say that as packing capacity began to rebound at the beginning of May increasing demand for cattle. It likely increased their willingness to pay higher prices for cattle. The average library drake fits dear. Price in May was more the nine percent higher than the previous month at one hundred and eleven, dollars and fifty three cents one hundred weight. With that in mind e R. S increased its price. Forecast refits tears in the second quarter by three dollars, two, hundred and four. Forecast prices for the third and fourth quarters increased by six dollars to one hundred and five and one hundred and six dollars respectively. That you're cal. Occur Market Update for Wednesday, night and Thursday morning eighteenth June. 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054| Ransomware Incident Response and the Role of Readiness
"Hi everyone and welcome to the cyber-security enough. Thanks for joining us for another session where we spit out the hot topics in security. Welcome to all our listeners and be sure to follow us on twitter at hashtag cyber zone the fallout from a ransomware attack is every organizations worst nightmare but it doesn't necessarily have to be if you can respond to an attack effectively as today's guests will explain there are things. Companies can be doing an advance to ensure a proactive response to ransomware when it and to reduce the impact to the company incident response experts jordan. Bella rose matt lawrence o. Secure are with us today. Welcome guys thanks. So how is responding to iran or tech different than responding to any other type of incident or breach. When we're talking about ransomware chain is largely going to be the same right like the attackers going to come in with the same techniques going to move laterally with the same techniques. It's just the end goal. That's different but because of the impact that ransomware can have on an estate and because of how much of a risk that is. There's no other time where i suppose. Time is of the essence than ransomware response. Needs to be quick. It needs to be organized and it needs to be efficient. Because if you lose you know twenty minutes creating jura ticket or following some approval process or something anything that slows you down could be the difference between the entire network going up in flames and you know you wipe the sweat off your brow and the the attacker meeting that same so so is it actually possible to detect and stop a ransomware attack. Sort of early enough. That there is no damage. It certainly is but like like any kind of grouping broadscale with with runs america's i think in a general sense we will attach them to largely criminal groups that are financially motivated but there are some outliers in pops nation states who have dabbled in brunson while like extortion. But saying that from what we've seen over the past several years as we've seen this kind of change in the way these talks are conducted. I think the obvious comparison to make is like a wild scale. Attack like like wannacry. People understood that as a piece of malware that's gonna replicate over the network and then slowly encrypted any devices it executes on and can gain access to But you know the the distribution of that was was largely automated from the initial point of compromise whereas what we're dealing with here is this is human operate runs away. They says attack is gaining access by by some means often by any means and then following that then proceed to compromise the environment proceeding through the kill chain. We've seen brought evidence of these groups Trying to do things. Like impair the security technology within the organization that targeting to ultimately make it i suppose easier for them to deploy thereon somewhere so within not process. If any objective an attacker is working towards. At some point they have to execute something somewhere to achieve their aim and always presents potential opportunities for detection with run somewhere tacos though and this does change over time a some tactics Improve that You know i would say. There were genuinely many opportunities to attack ransomware. Act as today. They are not the most sophisticated attackers in terms of the things that they're doing. You know it's it's the equivalent of a of a kid walking into the kitchen pots and pundit times the not necessarily the most stealthy of three actors so there are really substantial opportunities and organizations can do do a lot. I prioritizing the right things now that's reassuring to know that they you think that ransomware is happening like you mentioned wannacry. It's happening at the speed of computers. But you're telling us it's happening at the speed of humans and they're spreading by hand artisanal ransomware so we have that moment to catch them before. It's it's all gone for sure and a gain it's a mix of Experience and sophistication across the threat apes. But in a general sense the they are detectable and organizations and individuals can do things to prevent their ultimate demise. Which with with ransomware. I always say can be an extinction level event for for an organization. So does that match what you're seeing jordan. Did you have any advice for like what companies could be doing to make it easier for them to catch the bad guys before gone too far when it comes to ransomware one of the most interesting differentiator is about it is that you know. Ransomware is a business. It's financially motivated. And that's something with a lot of other incident types that we struggle with is finding motivation and finding ways that we can leverage that knowledge to better respond to the incident. But when it comes to ransomware it's just like interacting with another business a lot of ways. They all have budget. They all have essentially a evaluation of is it worth it to go after this company. Are we gonna make money off of this and because of that one of the best things you can do to stop. It is really just throw a bunch of traps them right like slow them down the slower and more annoying. Make it for them to ransom network. The less likely it is that they're going to be persistent because eventually they're going to say well. This isn't worth the money at the end of the tunnel. There's no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow. Let's move onto the next guy. There's an infinite amount of targets out there for them more or less the target demographic for them the entire internet so if you can make yourself the smallest target possible. You've got a much better chance. What's that saying. It's like i don't need to run faster than the bear to outrun. Everybody else right just like that for somewhere. So so what are those called. Trump's you can use To to make it slower more painful for the attacker. A lot of them are really going to be just your lateral movement stoppers so things like implementing local admin password solution on windows or proper network segmentation proper use and segmentation of adleman accounts versus workouts. It's it's really gonna be anything that makes it one two three four however many more steps in the kill chain and you know as many of those as you can implement the better and the same goes for for response as well a lot of time where we're responding to an incident like this. We'll do things like you know. Try to slow down their network traffic or block off key. You know sluice ways and the network to stop them from spreading quickly they might still be able to spread but they can't do it fast enough to make it worth it for them and we found that to the really really effective and essentially getting throw their hands up and say this isn't worth it anymore. Sure sure you've argued. That incident response shouldn't be just a post mortem exercise. Can you talk a little bit about what you mean by that in a positive sense for us to to change the game here instant response needs to become a business as usual activity for instant response to be a you. There are certain things that need to be be there. A we spend a lot of time and secure talking about the importance of instant readiness that feeds into the fact that to be able to analyze a compromise and and to defeat it. You need to be able to review evidence so if we can make sure to the best of our ability that the requisite evidence as got a chance of being available it means that when detections do happen you've got a much better chance of reacting to them. Well you've also got to think about means to to regain control of your organization and so we've run somewhere attackers. For example we see of situations when they're midway through the kill chain. They've gained an initial insurgency. They've started hopping across boxes. Luckily moving by that stage of they've probably popped credentials and the kind of moving through their their attack path to to reach that ultimate goal which is generally in a in a windows environment. It'll be the server infrastructure because generally that has the greatest level of access to the wider organization. But through doing that. There are certain things you can do to mitigate further risk on you detected them. i'd say it's the equivalent of managing a forest fire. If you have an ongoing fire you need to mitigate the risk of its spreading an one way of doing that is to implement fire often easier said than done but but certainly much easier to do proactively if you're trying to trump. i'm trees in the midst of a fire to create a firebreak. The chance you're gonna get burned in the process of doing so whereas if you if you plan out appropriately and do things months before your pops in the rainy season long before you're experiencing or as fire you've got a much better chance of doing it properly and robustly and thinking about what you're gonna do when an attacker was inside your network your your cloud infrastructure whatever it may be will enable you to ultimately enable your people to take action. And when we can do that that's when we can start winning because we can turn around the response much quicker and the quicker we turn around the response to the faster weekend contain the director. An ultimately remediate their presence. In when we do that. That's when we're taking instant response from exceptional activity running at a time when a business as being civilian pad to one where it's happening all the time but in a controlled fashion and the rest of the organization is able to run. The that makes perfect sense to me. Is that jordan. Also what you're facing a do you have any recommendations to add for organizations to sort of help them minimize the impact of the incident when it comes to ira. It's it's almost too obvious to say that hits. It shouldn't be postmortem right. Like of course you want to detect her to the punch. But i think what is saying is really important. Some organizations are thinking. Oh we're we're just gonna lose some data or maybe a couple of hosts will go down but we see situations where organizations are bombed back to the stone age. I've seen clients call us and they're walking around with pen and paper and trying to do what servers and computers can do with their two hands. It's like you took a time machine back to the eighteen. Hundreds or something you know so getting yourself into that situation as something. No company ever wants to do obvious. But what's tough about it and why we see so. Many organizations struggle with it is that when it comes to i r. It's really a question of essentially a chain right like if any one link in the chain as week than the whole chain is is weak so when it comes to recommendations it's really top to bottom. There's no such thing as too much due diligence and the biggest challenge that. I think you're going to find as not necessarily what can we do. But more which thing should we do not to drown everybody in metaphors. But i like to think of it as like a a drag race right like you're building a drag racing car for this race. The race itself is only going to last ten seconds. Never right but the time you take to build. The car could be years and when you're building that car you don't want any part now. Not everybody can afford to build the best of the best drag racing car but then it comes through question of what do i invest i is the engine is that the tires is the pit crew who who were. What do i invest in And that that's the question that organizations should be asking themselves as is more like which not what just to continue that analogy to another thing you have to realize when you're thinking about this this drag race. Is that the person that fires the starting gun is not going to be some in partial third party. It's up to you to fire. That started gun but the trick. Is that the attackers are going to start. As soon as their cars ready to go they don't care about eve. Fire that starting gun so you have to invest in more than just the car you got invest in a good starting gun to wow men like not only. Are you an incident response expert but he obviously know your way around that quarter mile a lot better than i do. So very impressive so okay. So how good are companies in this regard. Like how prepared are they in your experience. It varies wildly. You know some of the incidents we see. Everything goes really smoothly. The attacker is gone before they even really got a foothold and thumbs up per good and sometimes nobody's prepared Everything's on fire and you know the world is ending. Yeah now would. I unfortunately can say is that it is much more often that we see the latter than the former. It's much more often. That people aren't prepared. And a lotta times before the incident. They think they're prepared. But when it comes time to actually jump in and deal with something like this. Everybody sort of says well. I didn't expect it to go like that or i didn't expect the system to to get infected. Or how do we follow our process of the processes broken. That's really why things like readiness exercises you know tabletops and essentially just hands on practice are so important because when it comes to responding to an incident you could have the greatest technology and the greatest process in the world. But if you've never practiced it your people jump in and ruin all all of that work. You put into building that process and building those technologies so it like i was saying before if it's really about being prepared in in every aspect not just putting all your eggs in one basket but the million dollar question is how do we spread that out. Where do we put. The eggs is not in one basket. So yeah what i also want to know is like what's the difference between the companies who do well and who do poorly lays it the the readiness stuff you mentioned. Just the fact that those who do well have taken the time to dig their trenches during peacetime. Yeah i mean it's you know it's readiness but it's also technological preparations mentioning some some technical steps. You can take new windows. Ad and things. It's building up your people making them stronger but you know another. I mentioned it before but another key step is the process right. Like you need to have a plan to follow you need to have everybody's duties preordained. Because like i said that drag race is only gonna last ten seconds. You don't have time to sit in a room and say okay. You'll do these tasks. And here's your checklist. Here's everything you do. Multiply that by one hundred or whatever your your response team is and this meeting is going to take longer than the whole incident is right like you you need to have all of these things built or the crisis happens. It's difficult for organizations to invest in the stuff because there's no immediate return you can put millions of dollars. Tier response capacity sees zero return on investment for years. But all it takes is one incident to justify that. And it's not just whether we're going to compromise if we're compromise it's when so even if you invest in that and you don't see a return for years when it does hit you i can almost guarantee you're going to get that return on investment. We've seen companies lose. You know not millions but billions of dollars or at least have it on the line during an incident. I'm tried to call you a new law as direct competitors to me coz little calling it not slow. It's very difficult to generalize jordan. Explain but generally the bigger the organization the worst readiness is a catchy. We all know how large organizations can be like you know massive cruise ships at times incredibly difficult to maneuver and maybe occasionally get stuck in the canal by think. That's that's you know interesting conundrum in one that we need to continue to tackle as an industry. But that's as to me and my experience certainly speak so. This is the actually to a great extent smaller organizations. Sme's i actually have a little bit of an advantage here if they engage in and do the right things because a smaller organization generally dealing with far less complexity your technology and perhaps you know your organization is a bit flatter bureaucracy. And perhaps it's easier to navigate the culture because that's the other thing with responses. The leadership and culture can actually have a greater impact than than technology of sounds. A little bit insane. Say that because you'd think well instant response if it's a computer security and it's going to be hopping in on the technology like how possibly could culture and leadership in that you know that's going to happen or it isn't well in large scale breaches. We see the impact of things like strong leadership in the midst of the crisis focusing on getting the job done getting the business back to back on its feet Than playing the blame game but also the culture not something that all organizations are pay attention to during peacetime. And you know the the themes jordan discuss their ups these spot on trade practice. Find these things have have have the requisite checks and balances in place an do it proportionately. We're not saying the ocean here if only can do one percent preparedness if he can only as an organization. Commit one hour a week. Ideally it'd be long more than that but if you could only do one hour a week that's going to stock up over time. A an unusual hugely reap the benefits when you are compromised now that makes sense because there used to be a time when when companies used to tell me that were just a small company out of the way here. Nobody's interested in us but then along came ransomware. Ransomware doesn't care about how big or small you are if you look like a target if if the worms or the attackers can get in. They're gonna get in and you're done just the same as any more interesting company or whatever. Yeah no for sure. I think labeling it as run somewhere is actually somewhat erroneously cole. Ransomware is ultimately within the takas toolbox by think it doesn't do a good job of describing this type of attack really. It's it's more akin to like a protection racket. The mafia used to run and probably still do in many parts of the world about preying on the fears of organizations and exposing them to you know data breaches reputational damage a regulatory fines. It's all about fear and partially being being well prepared and ready to to respond can be incredibly empowering when with with the white of something like a Like a ransomware attack. You bring up an interesting point. The game has changed Threat actors are now. Just not just a locking your date other stealing it on unthreatening to release it. So you know things that we used to be recommend companies to do like keeping backups. That's not the the cut and dried solution anymore. That it was was what now. What what what are companies supposed to make of this. The industry never gets any less complicated. I think at a it never gets any easier to respond but it certainly gets harder when it comes to how attacks developing and how you can respond. I don't think there's such a thing as an easy solution anymore. There's no just of well we'll put in backup some. We'll be okay or rewind twenty years ago. Just get antivirus and we'll be okay. There's no single solution. It's really all about you. Know having that robust tool kit that cycle of people process technology. You know all three of those things that you need place and to break that down. I mean some of the key pieces in each one of those areas i would say are e. Dr ers super important when we're talking about response because it's very hard to do any kind of forensics when you don't have any evidence right you need a crime scene in order to do your detective work. As far as process goes and incident response. plan is the bare bones. Minimum right like you need to have some kind of high level plan of what you're going to do otherwise it's going to be pandemonium when you send that email or open that incident bridge and say. Hey it's time to respond now. A lot of people will will then say well. What are we supposed to do. We have a plan for this. And that's going to be a disaster if you don't have that in place and then finally when it comes to to people it's all about training them you know it's about giving them a chance to get their hands dirty wrangle with an incident or something like it and learn by doing when we talk about readiness. I think a lot of people will immediately jump to insert spots plans and thanks and those are important. But what's also really important is giving people that opportunity to to jump in and be a part of this. It's something that a lot of people on your incident. Response team aren't even going to have ever thought about before they could be they could be lawyers could be. Hr people incident response is not at the forefront of their mind. It's probably not even at the back of their mind and their day to day so you really do have to give them a chance to try this stuff in practice it before the entire company is on the line the thing i really want to stress that it's a complex equation. That's only going to get more complex as as we develop. You know things like Like cloud technologies as of late. Have complicated things immensely when we do forensics on host it's not just about the host but it's about all of the containers inside of that host that we have to pull apart in analyze individually. So that's just an example of of how things are developing and how much more complicated things getting and it's unfortunately it's never going to get any easier at least not as far as i can see no and on that topic like a lot of companies are out there trying to you know. Buy a piece of technology that will make their lives better. So what about you. Do you have any advice. Like is there a piece of technology that you like to see organizations having place that will help you as an incident. Responder sort of to do your work more effectively. I think etiole from from an responded perspective is is the obvious one because giving us the visibility and ability to take action and readiness isn't the whole answer by the way it's part of your defense in debt. You can't just prepare yourself to be ready for response and not have good detection in place because ultimately if you're going to respond to something you need to detect it first so the key is a discovery but it really all boils down to enable your people and i think we need to public organizations need to take their cues from elite. Sports teams the the key thing that elite sports people are doing is. It's about the mind it's about thinking clearly under pressure it's about being able to be calm and precise when faced with taking a a penalty in front of eighty thousand people. Well translate that to To business in an instant response it. It's when you're facing the worst possible moment. It's it's it's about buying yourself time and giving your company option and then the ability to execute because your team is is well practiced while trade. They understand will all of the the items are are and what is it that disposal and they can they cannot activate it so i would say yanni to to answer your question. Succinctly the best thing and organization can do to prepare is to start at home and look at what they already have and and improve what they have. I do that quickly and then move onto to adding to it. Because all too often as responders we see organizations of not use the best of of what they already have the big one for me and if everybody can do this please go and check out gateway logging nine times out of ten. It's switched off because it's not been looked at since it was installed and that's a microcosm of what happens in an organization. Something isn't is invisible. It is not obvious that it is there until you need it and readiness is about uncovering these things practically coming into the situation and involve evaluating the organization from the lens of being in the midst of a compromise and then taking steps to improve it. And as i say any improvement will help lots of one percent. Improvements will add up to an effective approach overtime. Well i mean yeah if they're aligned and that that's that's my point that was some very tangible advice right there but i feel a lot of this is easier said than done. We're like you know to be more prepared. You should probably prepare better so like if an organization feels now that they've maybe could have a more proactive approach to this. How would you recommend get started. The place to start is looking at your existing plant. Look look what you already have today and stress test them. We think of tabletop exercises as an example of this tabletop exercises a not just purely paper-based exercise any more than that. The thing that you do once a year and it just a tick box against whatever regulation you have to idea to it. It really is a tool that can be used during the discovery process. Because remember this. This all boils down to two people. Really the crooks of of any serious compromises is the people so if we can look at what. We already have a stress test. Existing plans come up with a scenario. That's really going to kick the tires of of what we have and see what happens. Don't be don't be nervous about failure because except it's you are probably going to fail in the early stages and it can be really. I opening experience in the early stages of any planning exercise to putting through a table top. And make sure it's well positioned make sure they understand why it's there were not there to catch people out there not being examined. This is a discovery process to understand where the deficiencies are ultimately. What quick wins we can do to make improvements and then once you understand why the problems are you can. Then he can improve them. And i think in particular every organization needs to think about this over the last year because of a broad escalation to remote work making many legacy response plan obsolete things like physical access safety blanket ability just to walk over to the server room and pull gable out in many regions as is evaporated over the past twelve months and that's an example of something that should have prompted all organizations to to review their response blends but start with what you have authenticator and then move on from that point because it's easier to do that. The stop from a from a complete completely blank page make sense so we've discussed how important preparation is to an incident response. But let's say you for whatever reason my organization hasn't prepared at all. We've not done table sizes. We haven't created a response plan. We have none of that in place but now everything's encrypted. Everything's hit by ransomware. What do we do next. If it's postmortem have been hit by ransomware. Let's make an assumption that the state of their businesses sevillia civilian pad the goal. An incident of that type is is. We need to get back to business as usual as quickly and safely as possible so if we consider a fairly generic standard corporate organization with several hundred hosts to give as an example here if they've got no planning in place whatsoever. It's not just the technology issue is not just about getting the network back up and running. It's about communication. What's the message to our customers how we could update them. We got a blank page here. We've got a process in place all of our our networks off line now. E mail systems are an accessible. I am systems accessible. If the first thing you're going to want to be doing coordinating your people and trying to kind of get them together in some some form of gasoline means and a once. You've got your people together. You can then start working your way through the problem and dividing and conquering but you know it. It's really is a bad situation to be in the midst of cyber attack and not have any plans in place but we we do see. That's when big mistakes happen that's when sometimes An organization will actually shoot itself in the foot and create more impact. Sometimes in the target self and that can happen with things like A people panicking this why. It's so so important that people think clearly and the pressure when faced with a because sometimes by trying to do the right thing by say i don't know round empowering fold devices may seem like a good step to take actually what you could be doing in the in the age of violence malware and other nasties. That don't hit the disc. What you could actually be doing is removing fifty percent plus available evidence that would allow you to to sort of chain this back and understand what happened which is generally. That question is like what has happened. What is what is the attack actually done. It's these things that you can workshop. You can get preparation in place and we see evidence of this when when organizations commit to this and do it properly actually a a major breach concentrate can be a situation. The built trust with their customers and enables the organization to maintain their business and to be impaired experienced cost ultimately survive but to start from nothing. These days is a really dangerous place to be an ad encourage any organization that hasn't engaged in this process yet to do so immediately before it some before it's too late yeah instead of just You know writing that letter where you claim that you know in the face of all evidence to the contrary security is very important to us and we've taken all the steps we can to to protect your date which is now gone. Yeah it's the same and paste it is is. There's a template out there somewhere. Yeah but obviously prepare for these things right. I don't think it start wild to suggested you if we are compromised. The chances are going to have to inform our customers. So we're we're not necessarily gonna know what the situation is going to be but we're probably prepare for the process of doing on the assumption that a lot of our standard means of communication will be a disabled. Maybe we can I don't advocate shadow. It because that's another huge problem but maybe we can in partnership with the it departments. We can sample took if means the off line that give us some facility to then actually a start interfacing with our customers and begin the process of returning to To business as usual. I go far on a saying. It's we're approaching the realms of common sense here reading. It's just a lot of the things i see. I felt you were just talking about computers and faraday cages which is far from common sense. But maybe that's not what you meant no but If you could afford a personal fired aka recommend at this stage no no. It's about it's about being proportionate rights. I see many people. Disengage with this process because it's. It's problem or it's a difficult issue it. It's somebody else's problem to solve. I go up viewpoint completely and say it's it really is the responsibility of of many people within an organization. I'm not saying that we need to transfer blame too inexperienced uses here. What i'm saying. Is that people who are pops not technical natives for example have a great deal to give the readiness and preparing for compromise and process. Because you know you can leverage your experience and knowledge that you've gained sometimes from years and years of of doing business to see through this and begin to think of it in the logical steps that you can take. They're going to be impactful. One thing that is really crucial in certain spots. And i don't want to wax philosophical here but as humans. We tend to learn very well from our mistakes but with incident response. You don't really have a chance to make a mistake if you think back to prehistoric times like how do we know that this mushroom is poisonous or not. I will you know. Let's have bob gopher and eat the mushroom right. You don't wanna be the guy that eats mushroom and ends up six feet under as a case study. Yeah exactly you want to be the one that bobby mushroom inside okay. I'm not gonna eat that mushroom right. You don't wanna have to learn from your mistakes. The benefit of you know living in this era with the internet and all of this information available to us is learned from everybody else's mistakes. They're huge incidents. That happen day in and day out with so many valuable lessons that can be learned from them. And that's really what's going to save you when you come to an incident. Is you know learning from those lessons being prepared. And you know just making sure that you've got that mindset and that wherewithal ready so that when this happens you're ready to start that sprint. So speaking of learning from other people's mistake let's say on that individual that i feel that maybe shouldn't have clicked on that link and Now everything's displaying skulls crossbones and everything's ransomware. Know it's probably my fault. What should i do watch you do at that stage as a user. The best thing you can always do is be honest. You want to escalate. You want to tell people that this is happening. Speed is always going to be of the essence with incident response and you as an individual are part of that speed. You're you're part of that process and you're actually one of the most crucial parts if you're the one that has the skull and crossbones on your screen because the five minutes that it takes you to decide whether or not to report this thing could be the five minutes that makes her breaks the incident. The start and end are very definite points in time in every single minute that you can contribute to reducing the amount of time. It takes your team to win. That race is going to be a huge benefit for you and for your company in the long run. Even if it's embarrassing to say yes. I did click on this very obvious phishing email. Just remember that phishing emails in the liked designed to deceive so the best of the different stages will have clicked a fishing link. I'm sure don't be ashamed or embarrassed of falling victim to these things compromises inevitable. It will happen. They target people. For reason and ultimately the best thing to do is to be as genuine in his open as possible. Because if you could tip off your complete team early you've got a fighting chance of the organization being able to do something about it right well with that. I wanna thank you guys for being with us today. Thank you matt jordan. Yeah it was a pleasure. Thanks hopping is that was the show for today. I hope you enjoyed it. Please get in touch with us through twitter with the hash tag. Cyber silent with your feedback comments and ideas. Thanks for listening. Be sure to subscribe.
Feel Good w/ Ally Pankiw - Ep. 125
"Yeah I needed to be with a group of people being the show especially when the strap on themes would come on. My mom loves the show. She watched it twice. She goes and you know. I had to rewind and I'm such an idiot because I never knew that they had belks learn something every day and I was like. What did you think they stayed? I just never really thought on your Uh. Let's start together talk. Hi and welcome to Daikin out a podcast that is urging you not to use medical gloves finger condoms while hospitals need them more. I'm caroline bear. She don't do it and Melody Cumali and today where Daikin out with writer and director Alley Pancu about Netflix. New Show feel good. She's going to join us in a little bit. Because we are recording remotely midst this quarantine environment about. I'm sure we're all comfy and cozy to that I say. Do you mean that. You're not at ease just being at home and hearing ambulance sirens outside of that. I feel so much better if we can lower the volume of the sirens. Because they're not that many cars outside to clear the way so I think they're good and if they could kind of ease up on all of us with anxiety yeah just a bulls. The ambulances are being really selfish right now and crying out for attention especially those in right stopping selfish. A everybody wants to be an ambulance right now. But you can't. There's a three to four hour waits in New York City. Things are pretty bad. I know we're joking about it. That's how we cope but it. It appears that I do have Corona Virus Caroline we can joke about it because Caroline has cove nineteen. Yeah Yeah I am a moon. I'm actually friends with the virus. I can say that I have some viral kind of toxic friends so I can talk about it. Yeah so if you do. Notice him gasping for air and breathing deeper and sounding a little bit more labored. The normal. That is why Susan's my lungs are having a bit of a time rain. Do you think you know where you might have gotten it. Oh I think I got it from Cecilia. Yeah Oh you travelling for work. She was traveling for work and she wasn't feeling well when she was over in San Francisco and we didn't think it was corona virus. I mean she had a bad headache. She tried going for a run and said that I remember her telling me the one day she was like. Oh I tried running but it was really hard. I was having a hard time breathing. And the corona virus stuff was just starting up and she didn't think that it was related to that though she was also like working out of a warehouse where they're painting stuff and thought. Maybe the fumes were what was bothering her. She worked really long hours so when she got back she was like wiped out for like three days and we thought it was because she was tired working and then we never thought about it again like she didn't have a cough. She didn't have a fever flu. Nothing like that so we just didn't think about it. Yeah I don't know because the this whole time I I started not feeling while I was having bad headaches feeling run down but I thought it was because of the hormones and I thought the last two shots I had given myself coincided with me not feeling so well and then after I got the eggs out you know I had a little bit of like a sore throat the next day but I still thought you know nothing of it you were. You had a cold. I figured it was probably just a bit of that and I wasn't going to let myself get worked up into a Kovic tizzy over it and then like Sunday after we recorded. I started coughing. I'm like maybe it was because we were talking a lot Monday shortness of breath Tuesday really noticed labored breathing and then like at the same time. I was like getting dizzy Walking around my temperature has been up but not to point of a fever. It's just been hanging out in the ninety nine's and yes. I finally got on the phone with a with an ER doctor. And they're like yeah. Sounds like you have it unless you can't say full sentence or your fever spiked super high. Then like stay at home. The last place you want to be right now is a hospital in New York City thanks. That's my story I'm sticking to it. CECELIA's taking care of me. I'm very lucky. I'm lucky that I could do Tell the DOC appointment because man the anxiety You're probably thinking welcome to my world. Caroline is it comforting to know that we're all feeling a little bit of your normal everyday truly hate to say it but yeah it's a little comforting That everyone's acting as I normally do and also this may have been a very dumb decision. But I had my psychiatrist appointment. Virtually and I chose now to decide to wean off of my antidepressants. Because this is a new one. I've been on for like the last almost like eight months. I started at a very low dose and then a few months ago. We upped my dose. And it's completely killed my sex drive and That's really it. That's why I want to kill our quarantine five exactly quarantine a better be doing it all the time and it doesn't it is getting in the way that's a good way to pass the time. It lowers stress and anxiety. I haven't seen a lot of couples posting about how they're just you know. Learn just fuck in and hanging out so I got jealous and at probably the time. I need this medication. The most I decided to wean off of it so extra anxious this last week. But that's okay because orgasms make you happy for a couple minutes so I was really afraid that you got corona virus from the last social thing I did was when we all went to the movies to see for the third time you saw portrait of a lady on fire. It was my second time. We took our partners because I got sick right after that. And then towards there's like an overlap where I was getting better and you start getting sick and I thought I wonder if we got it from the movie theaters and then I was wondering what it's worth at than right. I think so. I don't it's so hard to know with everything in New York. You know going into Manhattan for Doctors Appointments. Like Cecilia has really been treating this. So seriously. From the GECKO with like sanitizing. And everything as we've discussed so I don't know like I don't think there's anything we could have done. Better other than like having started to quarantine in January when I think it was really probably going around New York a lot. A lot of people are thinking. Maybe they had it back then. Yeah anxiety though about like not being able to get tested Knowing that if you have to go to the hospital they might not have Room or the equipment to support you. That's very anxiety inducing also with my breathing it's hard to know Because they're like. Oh well if it gets to this point and Mike but is it like boiling a frog. You know where you're supposed to the saying as you like raise the temperature very gradually and then all of a sudden the frogs dead. So it's like when my breathing just get like more and more labored and then all of a sudden I'll be like oh now and then it's too late so discovered that my phone my trusty old Samsung Galaxy S. Eight has an oxygen monitor on it like they haven't hospitals where you put your finger in the thing and it measures your blood oxygen levels if you are a listener his in nurse or doctor and you're like that doesn't mean anything I guess. Let me know I guess ruined my fantasy. That's bed that's been like the one thing that's produced my anxiety. I'm like at least I can. Measure did seem to ensure mood last night. It did before that I was like breaking down in tears of points. Because I'm like I don't. This is so stressful to not to not know whether this is just like a cold or whether my lungs are GonNa fail me That's a real and I apologize for what I said. When you got so excited in hindsight I was like that was. The Caroline messaged me that she has this oxygen Saturation Monitor on her phone on her android and my reply was well. I guess that makes texting green bubble worth it. I saw you put up a facebook post like to all the people who now. That's everybody's reaction to finding out that I have. I guess the most surprising thing about me is that I have a Samsung and to make it worse so yeah I had this facebook post saying you know to all the jerks who shamed me for having android. It's the only thing keeping me sane right now and then to prove my point everybody who commented as like I also have an android. They're all like over fifty or live. Internationally I get it. I'm not cool. Whatever another taking out a past guest Kelly done Posted and I was really surprised about this. She had been in the Ers so she's a school nurse and she is. I believe it looks like she got the cove it and Rumor started that she was dead. People started spending rumors because they hadn't heard from her and she got back and had to like make a lot of posts around like. Hey please don't spread rumors that very distressing. The people know the facts. It's hard though because people are like isolated in the hospitals. You know my friend had a fly back home because she didn't want to give birth alone because they're not letting people get I mean she's a month and a half away but still like you're not really supposed to be flying when you're pregnant you're also not supposed to be leaving New York but people are desperate and she didn't want to end up like on that hospital boat giving birth without her husband. Yeah I feel like I'm noticing a lot of people packing up and fleeing and yeah as if we didn't see what happened in Italy. Yeah yeah a lot of people I mean. When it first started like a lot of rich people were going out to the Hamptons and whatever but immediately I was like I can't. I can't go see my family in buffalo because I don't want to spread it like as soon as I was aware of the situation got bad. I'm like you just have to assume you're carrying it in that you don't want to spread it and that's how you have to treat it. How many listeners? Who Rent are planning on paying their rent. That's all I can think about. My landlord has been such a passive aggressive. Fitch like I. They sent us. Mailed us a copy of our lease without comment. Just you know just so you know. And then since then they've been sending us daily reminders just daily emails with no comment no subject nobody the email. It is just an attachment of our bill which obviously never happened before they're obviously freaking out but I- freaking out because they know there's nothing they can do because a lot of things I can be. Yeah a lot of people aren't going to be able to pay rent and they can't take them to court over it because the courts are closed and you know it costs money to take people to to core and I think they just need to be happy with the people. The people who can pay rent will continue to pay rent and the people who can't like show some compassion. You assholes so are you doing anything. Fun with the virus. Are you doing any like zoom parties? Now you know it's really. I've been telling people like that. I feel healthy enough that I still feel guilty for not being more productive but I feel like unless I'm really laid out Then I don't feel guilty about not doing stuff but this whole time. I'm like I should be doing more but then I also don't feel up to going to crazy that I did post a really silly video of Cecilia doing celebrity impressions to entertain me today. But I haven't adopted any new. Like in place of regular socializing. Things like people are moving to happy hour. Yeah I got in hang out. What are you doing well? I joined a Zoom Book Club. I have never been in a book club in my adult life but I realized I was watching so much. Tv I just needed. I A reason to reason than just people to talk to that. Aren't my girlfriend. Saw An instagram story from a friend who lives in Alabama saying that she will start a book club you know. It was like a poll on her stories. If you're interested and then she reached out and coordinated this weekly Zoom meeting. We're reading Glenn. Doyle's book untamed for those of you. Who Don't Know Glen? Doyle is a writer who famously was very like Christian Mommy Blogger type who had a few memoirs out before all this but she was promoting her most recent book when she was at a event and Abby Wambach and immediately fell in love with abby and this is the first of her writing we really get to read about how she met and fell in love with abby and left her husband who had cheated on her actually does. She became queer for the material. Get it right so many memoirs and then you need a big change yeah. It's funny that I'm like even zoom meeting where I'm not sure who's queer or not. I'm still like doing what I do in real life and just working with what I have and trying to clock who the lesbian and the group because we went around and introduced ourselves in way. We're interested in joining the book and I was just very blatantly like lesbian gossip percent. I have never read any of our other books. I just WanNa know about her and abby but yeah there are some there are some very short haircuts. Which I had an later confirmed we're lesbians but some like if he ones It was just funny. That like Even in this digital new way of meeting people. I'm like looking around their apartments in the background. Trying to figure out who's gay because to me like anyone. Everyone is gay until proven straight. Basically so right I need to actually focus on the themes of the book. We're talking about instead of like looking at every corner that I can in someone's apartment for like an inclusive ya not even zoom condemn in your Gaidar. I love it so yeah still working on that. We should get around the POD Glenn. He has time now. Everybody has time to take out with us. Guys get ready. We have some good gusts lined up because we do they have nothing else to do and we know that yeah we know that and then also they don't have to physically be around us. Which I know is a big obstacle to some people who would otherwise do the pod but our lake. I have to be in the room with these strangers. now But now they're like okay. From a distance we will dyke out and we're happy to have them as an even. Today's guests was Somebody that we were going to interview out in L. A. And we were so excited about and then with feel-good coming out we're like why not move it up now and talk to to Allie about that sooner since we don't have to wait for a trip out west before we bring on alley. I do want to talk a little bit about Tiger King. Since we're GONNA which is also a queer show you know? Yeah Rural Queers people rural insane. We're here's a great representation for back country. Queer Culture podcast. It was the second season of over my dead body where they did this story. And when your girlfriend Early Clayton told me that. She up with exotic cats. I was like oh I wonder if you know about Joe Exotic. And she's like no I told about the podcast. And then this series comes out on that flakes and I've only seen a little bit of it but melody even watching it with Alli right. Yeah we just finished it last night. And it's we did briefly talk about alleys exotic pet ownership. I think when I was guest hosting the pod and she came on as it gets. Cut It for time right. I don't even think it made the record kind of loosely mentioned it because I think we have to have an off topic dedicated to Allie and her life. Yeah no I really do. Because I can't do it. Justice but allie basically grew up with a lot of these pets. If you haven't started watching it exotic Joe's about a man and what Oklahoma who starts buying exotic animals to the point where he owns his own zoo. He has his own. Tv show he has merch. He's battling animal rights activists but I put on the show for a little bit of escapism. Obviously in these in these crazy times I just wanted something absolutely absurd. I think that's why a lot of people are watching it right very much. Not The case watching it with my girlfriend who's just like. Oh my God I feel like we might have bought something from him or show. When I won Joe came on she goes. Oh my God that reminds me of the guy. We got our monkeys from here. We go so then. I Made Alley. I realized we never actually talked in full detail about the amount of animals she owns. What kind so. I made her tell me. Do you want to know? Yes the first thing they got was a lion named T. T. O. Fogel in Lyon Allie's dad was Grew up very poor was like the first and his family to go to school. Graduate From College. Got A lot of money and just spent like crazy about his kids. Anything they wanted Crazy crazy irresponsible with money. So they got their first lie in From the Charlotte Zoo another kind of Joe Exotic setup in North Carolina. That person sold lions and tigers and was just as crazy if not more crazy than Joe. She said it was funny. How much are tigers? And how much are lions? And she was like well I think at the time lions were thousand and tigers are a little more. They're like one point five to two thousand and then literally the next episode. He said those same stats. That isn't that's how much it costs for. Like a cockapoo puppy and then. Oh yes so. They traveled to someone like Tennessee or something to get their first lion right as a family and then they had to get a hotel room because their mom didn't want to like drive through the night to go back to North Carolina and they had like a setup waiting they owned a lot of land there in rural North Carolina so as a cub. Yeah so they had to a growing cub. They had to sneak that Lyon into a hotel. Like you're not even allowed to. Have you know a little puppy with you? They sny a lion into the hotel their first one And their dad was really concerned because it was making a lot of like growling noises as lions do right so what they figure was put a lion and a Duffel bag and her dad was like. Listen we can't have any kind of pets not like especially not these so what I need you to do is start making a lot of Lyon noises as we walk across this Marriott lobby so her brother was throwing his head back in like screaming like a lion and everyone thought it was out of control like. Add Kid Weird and then they eventually got the lion to their home and like we see in the documentary. People don't realize how fast that cute little cub grows and eventually grew so big that building proper cage for it even as like less than one year old would cost like ten thousand dollars. She said like the way they coped at. I was like digging up like bulldozing out huge tree trunks from their land and putting them in the garage so the snow leopard or like eventually they got tigers they would use those scratch. Pads like full roots of massive trees stayed with them until she was six months old and then after they got rid of t t they got a monkey got rid of t t so then what where did where did not go right back to the original owner okay but then they got a monkey and the family thought it was fate because the monkeys name was Clayton already and Ms Clinton so they got Clinton and that's when her brother started getting very interested in exotic animals. And he's now cut to today. He's got like a couple doctorates he's a primatology and works with exotic animals especially primates and he when he was like ten years old had a business card that he used to take around with him saying. Brent's exotic animals. If I don't have it I'll find it and then it just it would just be like Daddy. I need this and you got it son. So yeah they went from monkeys. They had snow leopards. They had a black and white capuchin monkey which she says is like the one that Ross had friends mission. Clayton cost ten thousand dollars. Okay that this whole exotic animal pricing is crazy. We gotTA WONDER ABOUT INFLATION TO THIS. Was Like Nineteen Ninety six. I think and then eventually they got Tuesay Bros. Now that Joe Exotics. She's been on the phone with her dad. Being like what was going through your mind apparently did have a permit for the monkeys but the leopards. They got from a guy in Kansas. Who wasn't really well documented. And apparently the guy who sold them their leopards from Kansas is the same guy who sold Michael Jackson his drafts for Neverland. Oh Wow these are the types of people Joe Exotic Michael Jackson freaking girlfriend's family living the American fever dream that is very hard to watch a show and be like this is ridiculous. Nothing's real right now. And she's a very real. I love alleys pictures from her childhood. Follow her on instagram. At a country Clayton for that. So many things to watching quarantine Our favorite of course portrait of a lady at least my favorite portrait of a lady on fire. Yes on Hulu right now if you're listening to this if you live in the US or can have a VPN to the US Hulu. You can watch portrait of a lady on fire and that's going to really get me through this corona virus. Yes I gotTa say another quarantine show that I flew through was feel good like I watched it all in one sitting and yes should've space it out but I'm sure I'll be watching it again. Yeah I started rewatching it and It was so great to get the opportunity to talk to Allie about it. So allie not your girlfriend a different alley who I'm GONNA go out on. A limb and say did not grow up with exotic animals though. She's from Canada all right now. It's time to check out with our guest for today. Alley Panko about net flicks is feel good. Alley is a writer director. Who does it all for music videos content TV and film and her recent TV credits include directing? Of course the first full season feel good which I think most of us have already binge watched a based on the DMZ. We've been receiving from all our listeners. And then also she has directed an episode of WHO Lose Shrill starring US IN LCD Bryant. And you've also written for Shits Creek Right. Yeah it's true. That was a while ago now but I am very Canadian. And so yeah passage. I guess where wearing Canada are you from originally. I'm from the bad middle part of Canada. The prairies the Flat Tundra But I moved to Toronto for university and then was in Toronto for that part of my life and most of my twenties and kind of started my career there and then I've been down in la working here and kind of toggle back and forth for the last like five six years. So I was wondering with with some of your credits that I saw and then of course may Martin is famously and maybe even now more Sophie as Canadian is on the show about like how tight especially like the queer community is across Canada. I mean look me and I know each other and we're able to do the show together because we just knew each other as Lesbians Wave Quinn. In our early twenties you know yeah we Just kind of were in the same social group and you know may moved over to the UK quite soon after. I met her in Toronto and I moved down to La. Obviously but we always kind of just followed each other's work. And I was always such a fan of her comedy and she clearly You know responded well to the stuff that I was putting out so it was a nice full circle moment to be able to go back to you. Know will not go back to London and get to kind of revisit. Our friendship in this new sort of way and in this more creative way obviously making the show together. So that's awesome. But yes every lesbian in. Toronto knows each other Coles notes version of that question and answer you down here in the states. They'll be like Oh. I know this other Canadian. Do you know and you're ready to be offended. You're ready to get your guard up and be like You know Canada's not that small and then they're like John and you're like John and they're like Smith and you're like I do know actually yes. Yeah we we went to university together so I'm a little bit Canadian. I was born in Montreal. Yeah no it's it's strange actually like there's a weird magnetism to other Canadians down here in la especially like you find yourself just meeting someone and connecting with them and then finding out later that. Oh they're also Canadian I met Dan Levy down here just through other Canadians. And it's we kind of our this weird little enclave down here so it's fun. That's great. So the release of feel-good kind of coincided with quarantine time It's funny usually on purpose. Well I literally message may like a few days before. The show came out when all of this was happening and like La was really starting to take measures to kind of shut things down. I just like wrote Man. I was like made did you. Dot Dot dot create the virus. Too much of a coincidence it was. I mean because the show was supposed to be released like back in the fall. I think it was initially commissioned for e four and then I think channel four like didn't want it to find a place for it a home for it on channel four so it got pushed to this year to twenty twenty and at first like obviously because we all like instant gratification. We were like bombed that. It didn't come out. You know back then but I think now really thinking about it. It's the best time to be releasing any content at one sitting. Yeah yeah wait. Channel Four also did The bisexual to are they like a cool queer eye. I think the UK is just I? They're a little bit less like risk-averse in their programming I think when they are looking for voices two maybe invest in our help lift up. I don't know I just find that British. Tv is just really good at diversity but without it feeling like kind of a solution to a problem. Just feel right or natural. And I think the states and Canada is still kind of learning the groove of that. Maybe but yeah no channel four puts out great stuff and I mean also so does not flex not flexes a huge supporter of like other voices so it was a nice little Combo Those two people or those two companies supporting show totally. Is this the first queer narrative? You've directed I've directed my own short films. That are very gay I Have Larson's in everything that I write. Personally you're you'RE GONNA slip them in but but it was like the first thing of this scale for sure where I got to bring that perspective to like such a wide audience which is so exciting. And that's like immediately when I read may Joe's scripts I mean. Obviously I was excited by the story. Because it's amazing story and I like knowing love her personally to but I was really excited about being able to be part of a team that was going to bring just like a new kind of queer perspective to the forefront. I think because for I find a lot of the time. When we see a queer person like may who's maybe a little bit more androgynous or a little bit more masculine. Or however you WANNA use that term however antiquated that is They're often relegated to being like the buddy and like all they do is talk about like getting chicks and I thought it was just so interesting to see such a vulnerable nuanced layered type of character like May that we haven't seen presented before we definitely haven't seen an entire world like presented through their Pov. So that was really really exciting to me for sure. I think that's what a lot of people are responding to and excited about like one listener. Send a message and was like yeah. These other lesbian shows and movies are fun but shit like feel good. That's real life and act like really relatable and there's no character on TV. That when I was watching. I'm like oh I've seen this before. Yeah may it was just completely different even though you know there are a lot of shows where the protagonist are comedians. But usually we're not seeing a queer. Androgynous comedian yeah centers just like so many nice intersections of different perspectives. I think that come together on this show that makes it. I hope is making it resonated with people. I've been getting so many nice messages from people. I'm like not popular on all. I'm like in the background behind the scenes. Obviously I'm not like a forward facing talent but I've been getting even people are finding me and like sending me messages being like thank you so much. I haven't seen myself portrayed in this way I've so many like non binary and Trans Friends and people in my life have like some of the things that may expresses have been really speaking to them. And I just think that's so exciting. And it's actually been a really really nice thing to having you know this quarantine in the because I do feel like there's this like connectivity. That's happening and this kind of reaching out in the digital space that I personally like wasn't really participating in previously like before this time period but now like that's how you know even like getting to do like a screening with cast and crew here in La like the way we're all interacting online so it's an interesting time to to be leaning into connecting people On the Internet because I you know the queer community has always kind of found themselves. There had that as a venue or has been forced their In order to connect with each other and so. I think it's like a really interesting time for this show to come when we're all kind of like forced back into. I'm literally in a closet interview But you know being forced back onto these online spaces kind of and that's people are talking about the show. It's it's just interesting. I was wondering about that with you. Know when shows launch usually you do A bunch of screenings major cities. You do a press tour and it's very much like crazy time but yeah so a lot of And obviously all the screenings have been cancelled or is that something you guys would do at a later time. I mean look. I think there was one for like a very small kind of like a press screening in London before all. This happened like a few weeks before the show came out Or like maybe a month before the show came out but I don't think that's like off the table to maybe do some kind of like panel or QNA down the road that would be. I think something that we'd all be interested in And hopefully fans would be interested in because yeah we didn't get to do a screening here which was a bummer Actually what I did this. Show the day that the show started streaming net flicks. And I encourage like everyone groups of friends to do this because it was so fun. I got like all my queer friends. Download that Netflix party like chrome extension and so we all started like streaming the first episode like at the same time and it has this like chat feature down the side and so it was kind of like we all got to be there was like forty of us in and we all got to kind of be live chatting as the episodes were streaming and we watch it simultaneously so it kind of felt like we were all watching together. So I'm going to start doing that. Like weekly like me and a few friends are going to pick like an icon. Ick Queer Movie And send out the link and like anyone who wants to watch on the net flicks party like once a week and we kind of have a feminist viewing of some old movie. We're going to start doing that because it felt really nice. In this time I needed to be with a group of people watching this show especially when the strap on scenes would come on. 'cause I just got so excited it was just nudging my cat like this never happens you never really get to see that representative and definitely not the like putting on so casually part of it do you want to hear. My MOM's. My mom loves the show. She watched it twice. But the funniest thing was that she goes. And you know. I had to rewind and I'm such an idiot. 'cause I never knew that they had belts. You learn something new every day and I was like what did you think they stayed and she was like. Yeah ever really thought of it. Yeah that was actually like a difficult scene to shoot just because we had like no time. We shot that entire sex scene in like two hours. We had the only ten hour shoot days in the UK and so we were always racing. The clock on the shoe and And so that was a that was an interesting one it was just me and May in Charlotte and our DP will who is operating the camera in the room and we were just like before the end of the day before that rap So that was an interesting experience to shoot something intimate with like a ticking clock kind of thing but I think it turned out pretty good man already get nervous putting on uh a strap on without like a ticking time fumbling it all over. Yeah talk about pressure we had a great crew but we shot over in Manchester in the UK. I mean it was just such a challenging but rewarding. Shoot in so many ways. It was so much fun. I do it a hundred times over. What were some of your influences are one inspired the decisions you made about the the treatment and the approach to how feel-good would look. Yeah the look and feel I mean as a director. My job is to think about that a lot. Obviously and a lot of this job had to do with like learning about. May's experiences and delving into her story and getting her perspective on things because it's all coming from her brain. It's like how best do we show the inside of as brain to the world what I usually do is pick a couple of themes or quotes that really resonate with me that connect to like source material that I'm like working from And then I try to build out kind of like a visual language and a look and feel and like a treatment around that thought or theme And may had done a lot of like personal writing about addiction and some of the research that she had done had helped her And one quote. That really stood out for me was like the opposite of addiction isn't sobriety its connection. And it's the whole concept that like I'm not a sober person but I'm also not an addict so that must mean that the cure for addiction isn't sobriety at something else and so to me. It was like this idea that addiction and connection or like the to kind of polar ends of spectrum so everything kind of worked within that like worked with a juxtaposition so it was like in times when you know may was triggered or alone it was like things were kind of stark and empty and then things very like lauch and connected intimate when she found that with someone and in this case like mainly with George but even like with Phil at times and when she connects with her mom and so yeah a lot of it worked within that framework. And then it's just you know working with your team and for me. It was just kind of like playing with the contrast between those two feelings of like isolation and connection and then I worked with a really great DP and we just like built out of visual language that spoke to that and we did a lot of like experimenting to the tonight us that which in the UK called Tinnitus The tonight is that kind of May. Here's when she is triggered by drawing her in and like pulling her back towards her addictive tendencies. That was something like the sound itself was written in the scripts. And I really like that. But then we were like what's the visual representation of that like ringing and that that tone. That's kind of like taking over the whole space. And so my DP and I were like well. We'd love things could like shake with or like tremor or kind of like be affected by that sound so there was some talk of like. Oh do we do that with like the effects and do actual things like pulse. Maybe but then it was. That was like a budget conversation. So then we we settled on lake. The what I ended up loving and I'm so glad that it ended up being this but that the any light source in the room would be like triggered by those like sound waves. And so that's when you see like the lights like pulsing and flickering and space Along with the tonight so that was like a technique that we did so we like built these like practical light rigs that are just like like lights that are the wrong basically the wrong wattage for the frame rate that we're shooting at and so that in camera makes the lights flicker in camera so it's something that's like sometimes a mistake that happens when you're shooting stuff like if the wrong light bulb is in and you're using the wrong camera and it talks to each other in the wrong way. Like you can get a flicker which is bad and you try and avoid that most of the time but we did that on purpose to kind of create that sort of like overwhelming effect. So it's just a lot of like a lot of crap and a lot of a director's job is just like a lot of discussions a lot of like getting to like. What is the exact thing that you want to say with this scene with this line with this feeling with this character? And then just like working from there and going okay. How do I help you show that? I like that. That was already written in the script. I don't how often does that happen where you have the script? Writers like writing and ideas for sound design and Well that was I something. Like sort of unique just because it. I think that is like an experience. Yeah that like she does feel. That's and so. Yeah that worked for sat a lot but yeah but I really loved it then when we worked with the actual you know sound mixers and audio design team on the show. They helped like really flesh out that tonight. A sound so there's like different. Sounds that get layered into that depending on the environment or the mood of each scene so like in the hospital. There's like almost like a heart rate monitor and like a beeping. That's also like imbedded in tonight. S when may steals the oxy? Yeah and you know so. There's like different things like that that we layered in after the fact to okay. 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Best scenes one thing I was curious about is so melody and I when we were talking about this show and how excited we were to watch it. One of the reasons as we are both huge fans of Lisa Kudrow and We both are obsessed with the show that come back and and everything yeah everything she's done especially if the comeback but yeah everything she's done she's just so brilliant and what's it like to be directing Lisa while also directing may who even though maize been you know performance and she was a teenager. This is the first like Major. Tv role she's ever had. So how do you work with so that to me is like the most exciting combination that you can possibly have Onset actually it's an it's also actually. It's what works with May and Charlotte Ritchie. Who Plays George Really? Well I love when you have these two different performance backgrounds merge and meet Because it creates this new dynamic that you just can't replicate any other way so like I call someone like Charlotte or likely Sukur Dro- they've been doing this forever. They're so precise there like almost like a fighter pilot like they're just so classically trained An are so good at what they do. And then may is just simmering in. All this like naturalism. And she's just so herself on screen and when those two like energies intersect on screen. What it does is it like challenges each party and a new way. You know 'cause like now. Lisa Kudrow is bouncing off of this kind of more like improvise ational performance. That's really steeped in specificity and then maze bouncing off of this lake very precise acting and your just makes I think it takes each party's performance into into really interesting new directions and spheres. So I really love that combination and I think it's exciting and I got to see it every day though between May in Charlotte as well and that was just so fun to harness and capture and do justice to. Yeah may did such a great job. I think it acting because I don't know if people have realized this but a lot of time. Stand up COMEDIANS. Do not make the best actors. Yeah yeah no she's you can't you can't really say it any other way. She's like a revelation. She was so just a joy. You know to see do her thing. It's also you know like she's playing herself and who who better to do that you know. Yeah Yeah and do it in a way that seemed so I mean she could communicate a lot with being very subtle and just like different choices that she was making. That seem subtle. But you felt like you were getting such this. Well rounded developed character in only six episodes. Yeah I think it was just because she wasn't scared to shy away from either extreme of herself. You know what I mean like. She wasn't trying to paint herself in any one way. She was like laying it kind of all down on the table and then she was like you can decide how you feel about me in this character which I think is very cool and brave. So when did you shoot this? I saw made post to promote something about the show and she was like even though we shot this forever ago. So give us an idea of the development process. I guess Well so we shot lasts like February is when I went over to London of last year. So of Twenty Nineteen And then you know we shot over the spring and then we did post in the summer So it wasn't you know yawns ago but I can understand how it feels that way for me because I felt that way to each month that went by I was like oh I just wanted to come out and be owns but do you know how long ago she had written the script initially airway shopping. It out I think I mean look development and writing and making anything is like such a life us and you only start realizing that when I know her in Joe had written these scripts or started writing them or at least written the pilot script like quite a long time. Yeah War I don't WanNa like but yeah development is just a really long gas and there's so many different stages like hoops that you have to jump through in order to actually get to set and be shooting your thing and it happens with everything it's like. I'm developing a feature right now and it's happening with that. I mean now. Everything's kind of just one big pause button because of And then you hear stories about like the guys who wrote stranger things. It took them like eleven years to get that. Like it's just it's just the name of the game. I don't think that it was eleven years On this one but yeah it was definitely you know. Development is like a marathon. It's not a sprint. To make do you have any creative influences that you WanNa talk about the made. You think he wanted to direct eventually. Yeah I think for me directing kind of something where all of a sudden one day I was like. Oh everything I've been doing kind of comes together. And the combination is directing. So I'd always been a writer. I actually went to journalism school in Toronto But I started my journalism degree the year that like the like society was like print journalism. But I went into broadcast like Broadcast News and Doc Studies in that program and they're I learned like the technical skills of shooting stuff and editing stuff and like producing little shoots and I was like. Ooh I love this but I don't Love News So it was kind of like my writing came together with the like technical skills that I learned doing doc stuff in university and then also I had. I was a dancer my whole life growing up and then like a dance teacher and did some choreography like before I left Alberta and moved to Toronto and so that also like visual component kind of like blocking Corio and stuff it all kind of came together and I was like oh I think this is all together directing like understanding story and knowing how to shoot and edit things and like and then like having a visual brain where I'm trying to tell stories through movement so it was kind of like a lifelong process of coming to the realization that and then I had also always loved film and had always wanted to work in the industry just didn't quite know how in the beginning and I've always been influenced by comedy and have been drawn to that I think so I don't know just like looking back like realizing the things that I liked watching as a kid and a teenager you know like all the Christopher guest films and best in show and all of that and old. Setv SNL and Coen brothers films and Wes Anderson Films. I mean it's unfortunate that all of those were made my I don't know I think that's why it took me a little bit longer to find. My place was because you just didn't really see a lot of young female directors especially not doing comedy that felt like so hard to do and then I I remember being like. Oh yeah girls like Lena Dunham doing it all and it just like the more. I started seeing young women do this. The more emboldened I got to be like. Yeah I can do it too. I also really influenced by all of Jeddah. Tau and Paul figues work. Because I feel like that was the first time I was like. Oh my God naturalism like it's so wonderful and drama. D. and you know like devastating moments for these clowns and I really liked that too yeah. Freaks and geeks feels queer. Yeah yeah there's something very gay just can Kelly's yeah line. I mean I have a whole other subset of like gay films that awakened me in a different way. Which one's name name? But I won't so. I remember the first ever film that I saw at a film festival was back in Toronto and it was called X Y Do you know it's set in Uruguay and it's directed by a woman named Lucia Penzo but X. Y. Was like I was like Whoa this. It was just like it's like a queer coming of age story about an Intersex child and it's just gorgeous and I remember just being like. Oh my God like what is this. I don't see movies like this in theaters. Like why doesn't why doesn't this kind of slow burn thing existing theaters so that was like a formative film for me. Obviously but I'm a cheerleader Was very important to me. Personally my sister is also gay. She's like much older than me though and she showed me. She rented that movie from blockbuster and it was important. Wait hold on cheap rent. Because she was like I like was she on to you or I don't know if at that point she was on me but I I actually. Oh my sister a lot. She made sure that I wasn't like a shitty teen in a small town and responsible for me having good taste in like films and books and music and stuff like that so I think she just didn't want me to be like boring and little did she know and I mean obviously lost and delirious. That's a Canadian film as well. Piper Perot just in general is clear cannon to me and I mean there's obviously been more recent examples but you know not a lot unfortunately for queer women like it when you really think about it. We get like one story over and over and over and it's like the coming out story. It's what's the other movie. The one imagine me and you imagine me and you below her mouth like this is all the same story like we don't really get a variety of story as queer women like it's very much like one of you is out. The other one is in it ends. Tragically Piper Prabhu jumps off the roof or you know or lake or you have to decide if you WANNA leave your shitty husband to be with like the hot like construction work like it's just it doesn't feel like we have like a wide variety of films. Tv shows yet. And that's starting to change like work in progress was so right. The new showtime show like I. I do think we're starting to see more specific stories and more specific voices and like you know hopefully and I have a hunch that feel good. exists in that category. But yeah like it's tough to pinpoint a ton of Queer cinema that spoke to me especially earlier on in my life because there wasn't a ton of it you know it it's interesting that in feel good you do. Have this story line of one person being out in the other person and not being out. But it's such a different take on it than we've ever seen and it's like disgust like multiple times. It's addressed like in different episodes. It's not just like this. One big thing that the whole story builds up to just like a facet of like many things going on and it feels so much more freshen interesting. Yeah I think it's just because it's not the only thing we're all right. It's fine to talk about those queer themes it's it is it is everyone's journey that we have to you know come out. Unfortunately and we talk about identity. And how are you going to identify? And what does that mean and like these are themes that are totally fine to address. It's just when it's the only thing we're about or discussing in a piece of art in a film or a TV show. That's when it's like okay. I think we can move beyond this and not have it. Be Someone's entire story or the only facet of who they are what they're struggling with like you know that's when I think it just colors then everything else about the show and you can pepper it sporadically and have it create tension in a story. But it's not the whole story so I think that's a G- again another thing that I was like drawn to in the scripts and like you know is something that I can really. Yeah as well. I love how how honest it was about these topics and I think that's why a lot of people are finding it so relatable especially when may does that big sat that gets taped put on Youtube and everything but where. She's just being like so honest about these things that were a lot of us are too afraid to say or maybe would only say in therapy and she puts it out there on stage and it's like again just stuff you don't hear explored on shows that you know we were all led to believe was designed for those kind of conversations like the l word you know that was I feel like got in trouble. If we talk about the l word we have our takes on it but that'd be fun but our now it just fell so raw and so interesting and another thing too. Was that the the whole time and maybe others will disagree. But I'm like these two are bad for each other and shouldn't be together like a lot of our team. Lofta A lot of team love. I mean I think there's enough that redeems like the central couple that makes me want to see them work it out but they definitely have a lot like I need them. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah it was. I guess it wasn't this thing that it's like. Oh these two people are brought together and they're like so perfect but there's like one tragic flaw That banning them from being together it was like oh no this is like a real relationship of two people who maybe don't know if they're supposed to be together but they make each other feel good when they're around each other and they want to work. It's the end of the world. You guys let's see what else can you ask for? I just think there's so much specificity in this relationship like how they touch each other how they speak to each other their own little language that I think that's what really makes me feel like it's a real love and like a real relationship and makes me want to see it fought for because it reminds me of my own relationships that are flawed and my friends relationships like you know we all know those couples and we all know probably so many of those couples and yeah so. I think hopefully. That's what people are rooting for is like you can tell that. They've built up this own little university themselves to to be safe in together. Yeah and you feel it on screen when they're together like you feel good like it's O- or Ozzie. The direction it's really great. Oh thank you yeah. I really wanted to protect what was good about their relationship that was really yeah to me like visually unlike kind of create this safe haven in this room and this like very soft feminine like Protective Place for them where they could always come back to. I'd also love the main character not being the one struggling with her sexuality for once and Ham that just be kind of a little secondary and that's the main focus are like vehicle tropes to be like shoved down our throat. At least yeah. I mean like that's what I like about. This show is like all of the like topics. Come second to like the characters Which I think is to hearken back to something we speaking about just mere moments ago like sometimes I think that's the downfall of queer content is like the topics and the issues take center stage in like the show or the scene as opposed to being like come to a more natural way through character building and character specificity and how different people deal with different things. Yeah that was one of the things I love so much about the bisexual which is another one of my favorite shows and that you know even though they call it the bisexual. It's really a story of does raise character. Who's like some version of herself and what she's going through and not supposed to be like this big statement about bisexuality necessary like there's a lot there's a lot there but that's not what it revolves around it revolves around the character. Yeah no I haven't seen that show but it's on my the good thing. Is that everything that I felt guilty about? Not Watching in the last two years of my life is on like a big list that I am about to slashing ruin the next two weeks so yeah Def Yes oh man definitely WanNa hear your thoughts on it after seeing it. I love that show like the bisexual this was only six episodes and got so much in in six episodes but yeah I was wondering like is that just like a new trend or that's just like a British thing too. I think it's a British thing that seems to be their formula for comedy series. Yeah I think it's pretty tight and concise like I think. It's a lot easier to build a shorter. Are that more resembles. The length of like a film are like if you think about it. A films generally what like two hours lawn films are that length for a reason. I think it's because the like the structure of film and a story kind of at least to a certain resolution. Point fits into that time slot. Well so I think maybe it's just like trying to mimic out a little bit closer not lake drag things. I mean also just the. Uk is better at knowing when a stories like done. I don't mean this story is done and I god. We can only hope that there's GonNa be multiple seasons of this show but I hope so too. I mean but you know like it or even something like the office. They knew when to end the office over there. And we just didn't over here you know. They don't like stretch it out for the sake of advertising. Yeah and so I just think it's more. Maybe she's about being bit more concise. Or maybe that's just the way it's always been done there and I don't know what I'm talking about so could be both. Are they being released? Weekly there or They are but they're all available to stream on all four which is like Channel Four's streaming Platform so they are like airing on normal broadcast once a week. But I think that British will. Yeah I know that British audiences have the ability to stream all of them. But I don't think it'll be on like net flicks there for a while so melody and I both do stand up comedy and I really enjoyed the scenes in the comedy club way. Yeah Yeah everything about it. The name of it. I you know what I got to keep. I got to keep a bunch of gag. Been coasters Yeah I was my one thing that I stole from. One of the more relatable parts for me was when the guy is on stage and just talking about juicing everywhere and the crowds just like eating up and maze like if they love him. They're going to hate me. Yeah and boy. Does every queer woman comic feel that I ought to clubroom club environment for? Yeah Yeah but I think it's the same with like all entertainment. It's like what we see. Succeed are like Michael Bay movies where I'm like. I thinks he's casting the same actress in all the movies but they're different and he just they just look so much alike because he thinks like a woman only looks like Megan Fox but Lake. That's what we've seen succeed and so I think there's this like inherent like will people like me in all like female or other creators because it's like what have we seen do. Well what have we seen make a bunch of money? What have we seen like the applauded and so for something like this? I'm like are people going to like it. It's you know it's like such a different thing but what I've found. Is that people the more specific that something can be unlike the more like outside the range of what we've been force fed for one hundred years like ends up. Being people are like ravenous for it so I hope that's when you're doing comedy is like I now when I see a white straight male comedian get up on stage. I'm like he better be so fucking funny like He. Better be the writer of all time. Because I'm so fucking bored of this perspective like when I see like a big action movie came out. I'm like it. Better be best fucking action movie of all time because otherwise it's like I've seen it a thousand times so I'd like I'd much rather see something from a different perspective and I think that audiences are feeling the same way do you. Do you think that that there's like specificity or there's universality and specificity like the? Yeah that's much better way to say what is that because of my little art school released shove that down my throat. But it's true. I think audiences are like sick of it hopefully. Yeah and that's why I was really inspired by late and does react on. I was just like Oh my God. The more these zoomed into their life the more relatable and like robust and interesting. These worlds were so. Yeah feel good doing that to teach. Ya I think so. I mean there's never been a more specific person than me Martin. Yeah I think that the show is definitely position to just not be a show. That's like big with lesbians. You know that has so much broader appeal and even a friend of my wife texted and he related a lot to. May's story LINE IN TERMS OF STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION. And that was really cool for a guy to really relate to that we're all little aspects in different ways and. I think it's very clear. In this time that it can be such a broader definition which may touch on so well one of the scenes. Yeah it's I I think it's so relatable to so many different people. Yeah I think if you don't struggle with addiction you absolutely at least know someone in your life who does or as and you can relate to that part of it too and being with someone who maybe has more addictive personality than than you do and like yeah. I really do think that it's people can find stuff in it. Yeah I think like Lisa kudos character as the mom and how complicated that relationship is where she's always going to be there for. May when she needs her but she also can't make herself constantly available and it's it just seems like there's so much like pain underlying that relationship and to see it but it really seems to get something that again we don't we don't see much man the scene and upsets when we were shooting and she's like I was never marry. Yeah yeah lease it destroy Azi. Yeah her side of that scene. Shooting with so in equal parts heartbreaking and so hilarious. When she's talking about the Soup Lake dying marveling at her I want know. What's the book that that characters writing? I feel like you'd have to like ask me of based I don't know how much of that is the end. I WANNA know more. I want somebody to write that. I mean like I picture it the way I picture it is. It's like a grand kind of like quest like fantasies something or other. Yeah but that could just be my imagining of Lake Lord of the rings but like very Like oh I'm hungry and bright pacman. Everyone can find something to relieve even if mother daughter relationship. Why it's not a show that I feel like I have to like Pat and preface when I'm recommending it to a straight person like this is just jaw right when you're like there's there's stuff in it to you can. They'll you'll watch stuff in it when you're trying to get their taste you're gonNA love it won't feel alienating. Yeah yeah this feels like its own beast kind of Someone who I showed some cuts to early on when we were still in post was like. I really truly haven't seen anything like this before and that was like one of the best compliment. I think you could get about something that you've made. Its time at that specity. Do you know if you're renewed yet because obviously will be. I don't know but hopefully coronas has helped bumper numbers up and we will be renewed. Yes it was just such a damned tree to work on something that you know. They'd be fools not to but that's just one small unemployed directors Listeners hit the Internet because people look at that stuff so Hashtag feel good. Let Hollywood know that you're activate your queer grassroots mark warmest season to what's a story. You can tell us about making this that you think our listeners would really love to hear. There's so many joining hear about the ghost time. Yeah okay so first of all. I don't know if you know where Blackpool England is or what it's like but it's not normally a place you take Lisa coup but We spent a few days up in Blackpool shootings some of the scenes especially for episode. Well for episode four and. We spent a full day on that ghost train so the way that we had to shoot it was we basically just had to ride the ghost train like four hundred times and the only way that my like monitor because when you have your directors monitor there's like one on a stand and it's like pretty a stationary and then you'll have a hand held one and the stationary one. Talks to the camera with a wireless signal but because we were going so deep into the ghost train like every time we would lose signal on the like directors monitor like outside of the entrance to the ride so I took my hand held monitor and like the only way really to shoot the scene so that I could like give performance notes and like really here and see what was going on was like for me to be like in the fetal position like lying on the ground part and then our devi was like camera operating in the front seat like looking back at me and Lisa and there were just so many moving parts that day. There were like people peppered around the entire ride with ghost on sticks and like different like props that had to fly in and it was like one big choreographed dance and just obviously was something like that so many things go wrong so it was just really fun to see. May and Lisa keep their spontaneity and like reactions up like time and time again as we kept shooting it but there was also this one curve that we had to go around at the very end and May to like jump off the moving train now. This ghost train was not going. Okay it was going Navy. Five commodores our but because you're on a set and you have to take safety really seriously onset on a production like as as we all should there was like a stunt coordinator and like it was like very rehearsed but like if the timing of their dialogue. Didn't like hit at the right time as we rounded that curb like we all kind of have to always make split-second decision as to whether or not may should try and get off or not because if we did round it too far and she was like halfway getting off. She could've like hit her leg on a wall and so it was just like really funny. Basically how seriously that he was truly like if you were getting pushed on like a shopping cart and then you like stepped off to the side but it was this whole like that went off every time so that made me laugh and also just like you know dropping spiders down in front of Lisa Kudrow space and may legitimately being at. The time was funny and it was amazed birthday day so we all at the end when we finally got. The scene was a challenge We all you know there was like a cake and a happy birthday song for. May outside of a ghost train in like desolate block pool with so it was just like a probably something. That'll never happen again for any of us. That was a very and she's just like I'm going to stay on and to calm down like goes through on my God diet that Diet that but yeah it was funny. There were like five of us in a cart like going around hundred times. So is there anything that you wish that you had known or advice that you wish you'd received as you're starting out as like how I was like Lord the thing as listening I think as director just like start doing it as soon as you possibly can with whatever tools that you pod that you have at your disposal at that time like. Don't wait for the perfect opportunity. I had already made so much shit before. I got this opportunity. You know not every music video. I've made not every commercial. I've made not every short film I've made has been like the kind of thing that I'd want streaming on Netflix. For millions of people to see but it all gave me a new skill experience. A new way of looking at my work that I wouldn't have been had this like huge tool kit and this like huge breadth of experience. When I got to something that was like a really important opportunity for me which was doing this show. Yeah I don't know I would just say like make everything that you possibly can. I know that you you've heard it before and you'll hear it again like film something on your phone like write your own short film with your friends like but it's so important because no one is going to give you an opportunity based on like what you say you can do or like Ryan what you went to school for. They're going to be like show me so make stuff with your friends find. Lake communities of like other artists that you can collaborate with and also what you what you find is the that you meet early on like I met a twelve years ago now and it took twelve years for us to make something together like that connection that we made of being like. Oh we respect. Each other as artists like was then. We were able to capitalize on that when we were both in the right place in our careers to do so so like stay connected to artists in other fields. Like if you're a director you know make relationships with writers and actors and other kinds of creators cinematographers who are starting out at the same stage. You are maintain those relationships because a lot of this industry is your relationships. I don't mean in like a networking kind of way. I mean like building like actual like sustainable like mutual respect relationships with other artists that you like and want to collaborate with because those people will become your your crews and your collaborators like as your career grows so just like you know those people as soon as you can and start making shit even if it's bad because I've made badge we all have like. That's how you learn you know there's no other way to learn as a director is like you have to get on a set and make some mistakes and hopefully you've shot enough small stuff so you don't make those same mistakes when you get to the big stuff and all of that advice can be applied to being gay as well get out there. Take every opportunity. You can stakes a perfect. Is there anything that you want to plug besides feel good available on net flicks Considering we have like no industry right now I don't like necessarily have something like coming out in the near future but yeah I would just say like stream the sheriff of feel good and make sure that you get to see what happens to George in a second season yes and I mean you can also check. Oh my other work on my online platform. We had a website. You WanNA fellow. I do It's just alley paint. Q Dot Com. But I post all of my work on instagram and twitter and stuff like that. What's your handle on on social? It's just alley. Pancu great great branding good site and I will say something that everyone should check out if you are young creator. It's a really good resource So if you're any kind of other like head of department so if you're like a woman a person of Color Queer Person Go to free the work dot Com and if you already are working and making anything you can apply to be featured on there. It's basically a database of female started as a just a list of female directors that the industry could reference when they tried to use the excuse. We just don't know of any female directors response to that but now it includes composers cinematographers and like any kind of like technical skill. So I'm listed on there but so are like a bunch of other incredible other creators and it's a really good resource to find collaborators but also like a hiring tool for anyone that's in a position to like hire you know female filmmakers great. Thanks so much for taking out. Alley is great. Oh my God. We're really time. It was a real pleasure. I hope that you guys stay sane and in your relationships. Yeah I quite through this time test right now and I truly already. The two rooms that consist our apartment consists of texting each other and fighting. Like two hundred feet away. Yeah I had my virtual therapy session this morning and my therapist did not seem surprised when I was like. We're arguing over clorox wipes and how to ration. Yes wait. What's your sign? Oh God this is. I'M A. I'm a Scorpio. Okay okay. That's everyone's okay. I don't know much about us. We're just saying because melody are both Capra Corns and then our editor for the podcast is dating a capricorn. And she heard US talk about how we're kind of stingy with the resources. So we're like policing resource use. And she's like my girlfriend's doing that too. Must be capricorn thing yup pragmatism. Yeah I'm funds psycho. You'll love you'll love being in quarantine with me. I won't have any food left by the end of it but it'll have been a blast. Yeah okay bye guys take Care Alley Corona by okay. That was so gracious of Allie. To spend the time with us In quarantine talking about feel good. I hope I didn't ask too many questions. About Lisa. Kudrow may Martin. I just couldn't help myself. I'm not there one ask. I love her so much. Yeah that was great now for our listener question. This is probably one of my favorite to come in so far very unique. This one came in on Patriot. So gender reveal parties are the worst. But I'm a trans girl who's finally about to start H. R. T. In a few weeks so what am I. Friends had this wild idea to have a cup size. Reveal Party for me in a few months when my boobs come in and we were wondering if you had any ideas for the Party. I do want to clarify that. This party is meant to be a total parody. But we're hoping it becomes the most queer thing ever. Wow so first off you know. We just want to disclose that. We are not a party planners in any way that we all do party planning professionals. Yeah congratulations though on going through this and That you're able to start. Hr team we hope that the corona virus in quarantine and all that hasn't been a disruption to that. Because I know a lot of people's you know it's taking more time or it's like a little bit harder to get to Dr. Get your prescriptions and everything. Also we hope. Your party is postponed because of social distancing and that just gives you more time to plan it. So let's think of some ideas here. You know what I was thinking about. Balloons like my first thought went to the color scheme and you know obviously for gender reveal parties. You have usually pink for a girl and blue for guy and I was thinking well definitely don't have pinker. Blue Balloons have rainbow. But then I was like wait a minute. The trans flag is literally. You Know Pink white and blue right so should we include pink-and-blue. Yes yes I think we should have the trans flag. Really be the the color scheme here. And then because everything is all about colors for gender reveal and we're trying to to parody that with cup size. Those are all letters so have fun with like baby blocks that have letters on them and then to have fun with it. Go Up to like really high letters you know just in case your boobs are double M.'s. Or whatever they go up to and yeah just thinking of things that they do at a regular tender reveal and parody that yeah what do they do at regular ones they. It's like a lot of like releasing blue. You're surprised by something coming out of something. Yeah it's also like everything starts off like as gender neutral whatever that is and then they reveal it so. I don't know what's what's up neutral like a Baggy T. shirt. Yeah not for me though. How many how does your t-shirt for your boobs ambiguous? I'll take the biggest t-shirt get or what about a Pin Yada? I've seen that gender reveal parties use PINATAS and whatever comes out. I guess whatever color comes out is what's being revealed but what what would come out of a boob milk. What if everyone sitting around in a circle around the Pinata with black coffee and then you hit the pin Yada boob and a bunch of coffee. Cremers come out Right sealed-off cremers to fall into their cups of coffee or have it be like readily available to put an going to dive in. And there's going to be you know hazelnuts vanilla. And you're GONNA I want that way you're going to grab it and put it in your respective coffee. I think it should be a more ambiguous milk. Like an oat milk. Lena fill that boob full of milk. Let it be messy. Make it into tick tock all clear milks get your Oh allman. Soy's not queer anymore. So sorry yeah though. Soy has estrogen it right. Oh tiny traces. So maybe maybe it is soy milk and then let it be because Massey is queer inquiries messy. I don't know you have all of the time in the world plan this now that you won't be having it In person for a while so just think of anything. Outrageous is going to be queer. Oh I think one great thing that you can do people left guests and if you get a bunch of fruit and have people guess what Cup size. That fruit is equivalent to because I have no concept of that. I thought boobs stopped it. Double D until. I was in college and my friend said that her boobs were an F. And I was shocked. So if you have like a cantaloupe apple juice grapefruit watermelon watermelons those boobs exist. Yeah Yeah they sat on my on my grandma's lap. They sat on my grandma's left for years. Those boobs and yeah. I think that's a good idea because a lot of people assume that double D is the biggest size and that's like the end all be all but as a double d that's not the case. Yeah half why did I just reveal my ups? Because they're talking about cup size. Reveal -Kay have a blast. Take some pictures. 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I Dunno if melody and I can do it together but we'll do our best to to get those questions answered. It's just another option because we do get so many questions and some of them are pressing and it's hard to prioritize. You know patriotic goes to the top of the list and everyone else. We just tried to see who has the most urgent question. So you can go there We know some of you are having a hard time right now and we wish you the best and we're thinking of all of our Susan's out there If you aren't having hard time right now please consider contributing to the podcast on Patriot or Himalayan. Or there's a Lincoln our notes for pay pal or then Mo Melody Komo Melody Melody. Molly lost her job due to the Cova. So is now my fulltime job. So I'm available. Needs a salary. Yes so you are now all my clients. If you have a I'll make customers must be expensive. Yeah it is very expensive to get a decent double d bra so not that. I end wearing any in the two weeks. 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EP022 What is your definition of success?
"What is your definition of success and why should you define it? Let's find out. Okay here's the question. How are we dark horses? You know the ones everyone is betting against the ones. They don't expect to win place or even show on track and they'll even laugh on us we talk about trying. How do we show the world greatness in triumph? Well that's the question and this podcast will give you the answers. This is the Dark Horse Entrepreneur. Tracey Bregman. Hello my dirk course friends and family and welcome back to your daily dose of change my life in fifteen minutes or less learning I'm your darkhorse host Tracey Bregman you yep, that's infinitely more important. You are driven entrepreneur a business owner or hoping to be one very soon. Either way you're here because you're ready to start restart kick start or start leveling up with some great marketing. Personal or business tips and results in order to build that beautiful business of yours into the empire, it absolutely deserves to be so welcome back again to your daily dose of Darkhorse success, we're going to deep dive into success including accessible advice in tips and steps designed to help you level up your game because as we know when you when it comes to success, there are no shortcuts. So, let me ask you a question why success I mean it for me. I'll even say for us dark horses and driven entrepreneurs. We are at some level driven by a desire to feel important. Now don't get me wrong when I say that I'm not talking about importance in stature fame or anything like that although some of you may be driven by that and it's all. Good. However, the importance that I'm really speaking of is that we wanna feel that our lives have made an impact in a positive way somewhere deepen our core. We WanNa know that the world is just even tiniest bit better because we were in it especially after we're gone so you could say the success could be a way of estimating or grading or evaluating that impact right? So think about it and I'm betting because you're listening to this podcast that you have more you. You want more, you want to more be more do more but for those that are not so driven like you and I write they perhaps they just want to get to a day's worth of work and maybe catch an episode of their favorite program on net flakes while they're eating dinner before they kinda pass out on their couch or armchair whatever it is I sit on right on the other hand right there. Are Those real heroes out there spending almost full twenty, four hours of any given day saving lives in operating rooms in Ers in vehicles with red and blue lights were wearing camouflage pecking automatic weapons often some far off distance locale on this great plant. Heck. They might be here in the United States doing the same thing right? Still others they're they're creating these amazing works of art in various forms they're going to touch the lives and hearts of millions of people. Still others are donating buildings, colleges, and entire hospitals to cities. Here's the thing. No matter where you might fall on that pretty wide arkie is laid out. One thing will forever be true. That do not aspire to success will never get it. Yeah. There is right and thanks for joining us now. See, and here's the cool thing about it. Well, I don't know if it's cool thing here I, think it's Kinda. Cool. He you're GonNa have to be Ray for success when it presents itself. And on top of that, you're going to have to doggedly pursue it with a passion to find that presentation in the first place. Right so now you've got to go after it to get it. You gotta you gotTa Chase it right. You're not gonNA find that girl or guy if you don't chase them down, right you don't look for him. Now here's the thing. Let let's be honest here for cigarettes. Well, let's be honest all the time or The definition of success is very personal to and for each of us however in my half a century plus on this wonderful plan, I have found that most people will include the following in their personal definition of success. Now, one of those things is living your dreams will whatever that means to you to be able to get out here in live your dream whether it be in a mansion in a little cabin in the mountains lakeside you know beat side whatever it is living your dream as usually party definition success living every with passion is another one to be get up it new, put your feet on I'm GonNa take off running because you are that passionate about what's going on in your world in your in that day. having true wealth That's usually one that what I mean by true wealth is knowing you haven't more than you need maybe things you want you don't have yet, but I'm talking about you have everything you need. You still got some leftover right that's I think for me true wealth. Next. Is Learning appreciation and gratitude. Most of the folks that have success real success have learned that appreciation and gratitude, and we've talked about this a number of times next one is Positively influencing the lives of others in some way. So many six real to me really successful people that one's at their core next one is true happiness right? What a Skinny. Whatever that means to you having that true happiness for that's having that right person in your in your life being able to positively influence. Maybe it's a combination of all these ones we've mentioned already, and then lastly having loved ones with whom you share all this with right. You can have all these great things, but he's got no one share it with isn't it kind of empty, right? Now for me. If you're if you're all about the Almighty dollar and that's your baseline for business for success not like I said, right the definite success is personal each and every one of us, and if that's your baseline for success that's cool. I got nothing against You no judgment zone here on that one right but no matter what your definition of success is if you pursue it with a passion and determination, you will ultimately get what it is. You want there it is however you that was coming in you however if your pursuit is All about that Almighty dollar, you most likely will find get what you want. But what you will find is when you get all those dollars is they're still so much missing from your life. A lot of those key items I just mentioned you know the living with passion living your dream and having the true wealth and you know appreciation grant all those things especially if have known to share it with so you know don't make all about it but hey, if you do, that's cool too. That's it's your world right limit your way. Now. As they say today Yep today's the first day of the rest of your life. Now, in the case of the dark horse show, we're talking about here it's the second day in your two, hundred sixty days and what I mean by that is. Dropping these daily episodes, you know five, a week, fifty, two weeks a year that's two, hundred, sixty days and I'm hoping that this podcast in those daily episode have a seriously positive impact on your life in in your business so I would urge you now to mark this day or or yesterday. As the day that you honestly make a commitment to change your life and Change Your Business for the better so that you can start living your dreams now as a part of that commitment take some time today heck. Now again in right down your definition of success. Now, as you do right as you grab that pen right now, Gay Tracy, I can do that and you start writing don't be general in your descriptions right? It's your success be purposeful be specific. Don't say I want lots of money. Come on right. But instead right V. puts managed to rat I have an annual income of put in your amount right I have a network net worth of putting your amount, right I have a network of how many people whatever it is whatever it is you want to be have or do I have a relationship built on honesty and trust whatever adjectives values that are important to you write those down seek. The key here is you WANNA be able to know without a shred of doubt when you have reached that goal or in this case, that level that level of define success. Now Mind you. This is just your definition of success today three, four, six, twelve months from now it might be. Or a lot different. So write down your definition of success in your health for your finances and your relationships for your business in any other areas in your life do you want to address now? Store that way in a safe place that you can come back later in three six, four, twelve months, right? And the you can review what you've cheat right. And how far you've come in both the achievement of your goals and your new and improved perspective as you travel along your journey towards those defined successes. How about that? Because here's what's going to happen. As you start traveling journey towards the success you that you outlined today, you're GONNA get some new perspectives, new inputs, new thoughts right and they might alter your New Vision of success a little bit. So you go under review that periodically. So that will be another step will address later on. All right my darkhorse friends and family get out there run your race, get your results and let me hear about them. You know the email address. Reach out to me. Let me know what you think. Right what actions you took what results that you got until tomorrow think successfully take action. Thank you for listening to the Dark Horse Entrepreneur podcast. Thanks for. Tuning. In check us out at www dot dark core schooling dot com. My name is Tracey Bregman.
DLD 310: Finally flying!
"Call last week on Friday telling me I might have to travel for work. So way we want world. Where are the? Like eight am I actually working be that it would require travel what? You're listening to dots, lines and destinations travel podcast with host Stephen, seagraves vase moon and Seth Miller. Hello and welcome to episode three hundred and ten of Docs lines and destinations secret joined by Miller and boss move gentlemen. How are you good evening I am stellar. So, as as the episode, numbers increase are just GonNa pull Microsoft in the first number. Oh, just like reset in a certain point. Yeah. The next. Episode Twelve. We probably want you eleven I is somebody but putting that aside I was GonNa say do Microsoft Episode Twenty Twenty and whatever we want or shoot. Starting appleaday Landmarks No, N. P. New podcast. Those episodes fifty three for what is worth. More that's when we transitioned from points orders to downsizing destinations. The more you sounds about right this information taking up space in my brain you're welcome everybody. Oh Man. To get some help from last week. So informed us on twitter that hockey team has twenty six players. So seven, thirty seven is not crazy for the San Jose sharks to fly around. Our twelve was well off what well well, we don't even consider backup bullies that number come on. You Count De Really Count the stand the hot dog stand guy it's called in. Can you count him as a player? Really loved the emergency goalie really NHL has I mean it is pretty awesome. Goalie if the backup goalie and then like just in case in each city, there's some guy who can pinch to shop in play golden occasionally stop some of the pockets. Really Amazing. Bill. But that's literally what it is. It's like some guy who plays rec leagues still and is the best of the group is available on call and every now, and then you read the story like we're one comes in and actually has a good game and like gets the win. It's. Kill other sport but other professional sport are you gonNA have like random directly can actually come in and be a real. Competitive Former to to ju imagine that was like pro football. Like, Oh, we just called this guy in for to be the quarterback. You just. Rent. Now I remember there's something that went the other way remember the guy there is a. Former catcher For in Major League baseball that's retired in like lives in central Jersey and has been putting together reckless games. In Jersey. For Him and his friends and Like, but he plays a non also. He played played shortstop or something, and like was getting out there and jacking home runs off the pitchers. Funny. Man. Air Canada. Ten X. Plus it a fifteen percent discount for buying tickets now with a credit card. A I'm guessing this is being pushed a lot on the blogs. I haven't seen a ton of its Bartolo, colon for the record. Is, actually, running like a rec league in he's got some. There's some crazy videos On. On twitter him jacket home runs this hysterical So I haven't seen a ton of also don't be too many other blogs lately because. I find depressing anyway but the the gist of it is ten x points fine based on you know a super earnings, which is something. A lot of airlines have tried to come up with ways to get increased earnings for. Additional flights. Right. We talked about this for months now where I think that's super interesting is the CO brand that there including is that it's it's specifically with the Cobra that you get the bonus points and that really sort of changes the way the partnership works among other things presumably, that means the banks are chipping in. A little bit of money but also. When you start thinking about like what it means for. An airline in general to have. interest, the better the tighter relationships and a better promotions and truly has started grabbing at the loyalty. You kind of want that to happen. You want to have that partnership in there. Yeah. I don't know it's an interesting. Interesting I like I like getting other parties involved I. think that if they are on has to work on its own it socks, and if they can get anyone to participate in help from the loyalty perspective, you know. Better value better chance of it working. I mean do you think there's a? This is worth it for people I mean, this is really trying to get people to travel. The story later that we're GONNA talk about but is it is really a good idea from the travel perspective. That's a question, right? It is right. Pardon me the right. You can also buy a month unlimited flights and air in Canada right now. By the finest episode goes live that may be over. So I think that's why I didn't put it in the notes for definitely talked about I can't remember when that would deal expires but. Right from like thirteen or two thousand I think is the cheapest. Canadian. Dollars was the cheapest price for the month long up to fifty, six hundred. If you WANNA buy the fair that's basically books into why she have lasted availability in potential upgrades. But like it's A. Domestic within candidate feel a little better about because for the most part, they've done a better job containing. Things. But more broadly like should you be traveling a ton internationally transcontinental or intercontinental right now I don't think so. But yeah, it's is what it is. All Bad. I'm GonNa, take the next topic and let you guys run with. It. Volvo Copter because I have nothing to say about this. is now selling religions for test flight three Israel I just think it's like Indie Gogo for. Aviation. Are you sure it's not like kickstarter which passed jump the shark already. Okay it's. It's it's kickstarter. Yes. So. I'm disappointed I thought you're going to be more snarky about this. I have to have a crying baby the next room that I had to go get. So my take on this age, it is a little bit of that but they're only two thousand tickets for thirty euros each. So there's not enough real money there for this to be worth it to them to fund anything. at the same time, it's you're buying reservation to be able to buy a ticket three years from now They don't know where it's GONNA fly. Away, and it won't be before December twenty twenty two and is probably twelve month window after that where it will likely happen, they will give you sixteen weeks advanced. The wear. And then from then you have to go buy your ticket to get there and actually convert your thirty euro reservation into a three hundred and thirty euro. Three hundred year I forget which actual ticket. So not only is this like not a great way to raise money because there's not enough of it out there, but it's like. It's arguably like a way to get some people to pay you for advertising because obviously we're talking about it got. It made it on the ver- onto virgin. Random other websites got like got the company a whole lot of media, but at the same time like it seems pretty stupid to me. Do you think they're going to actually sell a lot of these like doesn't strike me as something that's going to happen. So, recording this Monday night, it opened up I want to say Thursday or Friday of last week and still available for sale yeah? So. I guess that answers the question. To, our listeners I'm sorry I am holding a little toddler who here and so you may hear giggles background every now and then He's he's laughing at me. Talking to myself so he knows you. Exactly that her. Captor thing I did the other part of it. That's like strange to me as. Like would you really buy a ticket? Not Knowing where in the world guys somewhere in Europe or Asia is all able to say and they'll have. A couple of cities and it's guaranteed to be at least a city of five, hundred thousand people and you will fly over the city but like it's It's just the whole structure of the deals Super Weird to me when you start reading the fine print, click a lottery ticket. If. Pay a lot more for. Air India lost money on ninety three percent of their routes. Shocking. Three eight twenty nineteen to March Twenty, twenty before anyone decides to play Oh. Gosh. Well, of course because you know whatever I mean, that's a year from last year they've lost that. So those two percent more than normal. I think the normal right? That's the point. It's yeah. It's bad. You know in defending at the director of whatever the Minister of transportation or something like that Tried to explain that it's okay that you know some of the routes individually lose money but are needed to feed the bigger routes that make money. Which? Doesn't seem to make sense ninety, three percent what route is making money. Nine domestic and ten International City pairs. And how much money are they making like two points for next Thursday not enough to offset the others clearly, not even coming close to offsetting the others. Yeah not good my. Name the ten, the ten international ones they did not. I was GONNA say I bet it's like London. Maybe a Chinese round I don't. I. Bet you. It's places. No one else flies. I, say I would be surprised if it's London. I mean. Yes, high demand, but also huge volume like huge capacity from everybody. including the one stops with premium caps super cheap. I would. I would think that you'd like said it's smaller markets where there's lower competition. Point to point stuff. I imagine like the Tel Aviv probably made money. 'cause was faster than the L.. Alpha. Fleet. but I I would. I would bet it's probably not much into your quite honestly. Interesting any handful domestic routes in like That weird ways that domesticated flying works who knows I mean. The government is guaranteeing to take care of air, India right that kind of the way I'm reading or are they saying we're not GonNa do that long term and trying to sell it for? Years now no one wants to touch. So right? And they keep saying well, this time you know we really meet with deadline. Part of the problem is you know airing try to to blame it on low cost carriers or just you know can can afford to run lower fares and that's why we keep losing money because we have to compete on Fares and which is the sort of in a roundabout way of saying repair we have waited our expenses are way too high. And we pay our people too much whatever and it's definitely not good. So I will we'll bait survived forever. I would say that probably Alitalia lasts longer bud. South that. Also. I. Don't know. I mean they could. They can make some money by selling some seven forty sevens to Christopher Nolan. Fix. Yeah I mean he he blew up A. Seven forty seven, four, the movie, Tenet. And It was cheaper than using. CGI. Yeah Bargain basement prices on seven forty sevens I guess guys. On, the one hand it's sad. But like let's let's try to assume that he bought one that was in need of a check. So it was gonNA be pretty expensive otherwise to get it back into service and that's why it was so cheap. Right this wasn't. Not that there's any of them that are particularly young right now but. Certain seven, four, four. I. Imagine most of them are getting scrapped at this point because there's no market for them. Over the weekend there was that rumor that Brescia was GONNA buy a bunch of them. And that fell apart. Yeah. It's fast. I haven't seen the movie yet Probably won't but It's just interesting to me that it's even cheaper. I mean CJ is expensive And what's funny to me explains yellow cost millions of dollars. Exactly. Planning to blow up in actually like loading it with explosives and stuff, and during that in a safe and controlled way also is not cheap. Exactly. Yeah I. Remember when they used to blow up like small models of airplanes. You know like for for for like an Independence Day when the seven forty seven was like coming out of the flames like they used to actually blow like models of stuff. So. What was the movie true lies. Janitors Arnold. Schwarzenegger right and Tom Arnold and they blew up like they built extra floors on a building and blow it up in. MIAMI. Yeah It's For. It would. It would be pretty sweet to be part of a movie production crew. Guys we need actually just build a couple extra stories on the skyscrapers so we can blow it up a few months. don't be late. Yes, I'm game. Set, you put this in the show I'll let you talk about it be a in Virgin Atlantic bulking up for Pakistan routes would let's not do that I know Oh foss. Was the story native I I don't I'm curious as to what's going on though be both va and virgin on very short notice what that I think they're both starting October thought sooner hiding two to three rats. Pakistan. It. Might have something to do with the fact that Pakistan International Airlines. Can't fly anywhere. But that's a lot more lift they ever had before. Shirt. On I think that they're. Betting on the fact that pin coming back as part of it, and then also I think it was one of the countries that just had. Pent up demand and probably was loosening some of the foul restrictions. But I think a lot of those people used to come through the Middle East anyways though because of the product. But the Middle East carriers have been suspended those flights. Because despite there being no restrictions there have been a bunch of reporters from Pakistan. I mean, it's fascinating in a broader scale like. The airlines have historically been such monolithic beasts yet. Somehow, they've become very nimble with route planning. Right, you look at some of the stuff like jet is doing our Matt. United's has been doing to LASCA and. They're turning on a dime per route network perspective, which is unprecedented. But it's fascinating like the the. The International. In domestically easy. But International Space how do you get all your stuff squared away that quickly yeah. Usually semi you just call someone up and be like, Hey, there's a plane landing next month it'll be trickle seventy with that. Basically I love that Loretta Heathrow's only one letter off the air. Even talking you realize La Charter L.. H.. E.. Funny. From my brain went but. I got a question for you about that. Let's just. Going on tangent here. Do you guys ever look at license plates and look at the airport codes that are in? Okay. So New Hampshire has one of the highest densities of customizes plates because they're very cheap to get a vanity plate here. and. just driving around on an everyday basis as a game of light. Why did they pick that? I don't know if you have to remember this eighties, there's a TV show about license plates like a morning TV a game show Nah I anna partners are couples whatever they show something on the screen. It was two teams of two and one person would buzz when they knew the answer and their partner had to guess it. So like you had to know if your partner could figure it out also based on the clue on the letters on the screen I don't remember what it was called but I, remember watching it as a kid anyway, there was one. That was that I, saw the other day driving around with just Ama- A. The. PEOPLE WHO Believe that they probably were from India. That's Fleming being the airport code for. Madrid fried. IS NO LONGER THAN A is the airport code still It's a question is the air is the city called Janai or Madrid I'm not sure. That's like some have changed in change back and I don't know but. Anyway, that was that was a felt like that when I was like what the as they got close enough and I can see the people inside I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I got that one. I've I've yeah I'm a I'm a connoisseur of license plates airport codes. BE F- seats are getting doors on their news seventy seven WS. Was All white clubs tweets business-class with doors was a hard product in theory because of the door so. That's a little awkward, right? Yeah. We'll in is on ice just kind of on the topic of First Class and business I saw the immigrants dropping. There's a number of routes dropping their F- product to the US on their three eighty S. yeah. And some of their some of their routes that they're going to pick up this triple seven's there are only doing what the two hundred dollars not the three hundreds. Yeah which partly for no first class but probably has the fewest shuttle seats yet law in general. What's funny though is that the business class those probably better than the first class on the ERS on the old ers I guess. Yeah. But. Anyway back to be a F so I guess this is a big news for for BA customers if they care about doors. I mean, it's nice it should be better. Yield seem convinced. I'm less convinced that the door is like the difference. In whether I'm having a good flight or not like a specially I dislike the half doors where Does stop someone walking by from looking in not really because they don't go high enough for that. And I'm like I. Guess the only the main thing it would do is prevent me Wallin seated from catching movement out of the corner of my eye, but again, I still see them higher up. Up. So follows. What do you think? Endorsed Nice just think that people make too big of a deal but some these things. Yeah Like it's going to be the best best thing ever I. Mean it does come at a cost. Right? The door does take up space when you them at a real estate, most people like you know people got all excited about the Delta seats with Dr Mike. That's great for you're gonNA take an inch or two away from the. Yeah. It's it's your you have to pay that cost somehow that space cost. So. Let's talk about that next seth since you are editing, the Diane real time First Class in. The product yeah. Lefty is finally confirmed today which was. Monday this week that it really is going to park the recipe threes and three or four sixes mom in long term storage. So this was. Looking back at my notes of what I've been tracking of this, the ten three or four six had already marked as part long-term back in April which was just a an assumption but that has proven true Threes, they already parked six of them officially, and now it's eight more and the comment is something to the fact unless there an unexpectedly rapid return of service. Demand Ain't happening right like the. I lift onto originally in. July. And August was hoping that the trends would hold them. They'd be back about fifty percent of traffic by end of the year and other saying twenty to thirty percent. What do you? What do you think like they? Do you think long term storage really means retirement. Yes. What did they also indicate that the Australian probably get retired as well. Not The hulk. The white bodies the long haul. It sound like. New Seven seven ws no. No. Yeah. The Austrian has seven seven to Ers and seven six threes in I. Think they're all just around twenty years or longer I thought the seven six threes were definitely on were on their way out I mean the. The, the plan is one hundred and fifty planes now retiring, which is up from one hundred by the middle of the decade like it's twenty, two, thousand job cuts they'd already planned isn't enough. And Oh, by the way, they're still losing does a group they're losing four hundred. They're still losing five hundred million euros a month and aiming just to get that four hundred million by the end of the year. Things are not going south. Yeah while. Set they just the idea that the group is planning twenty five to thirty twenty to thirty percent pass the for the end of the year is just brutal. I mean. It's it's strange to see lift planes on flight radar and stuff going all over the place But they're fout going out half empty the most part if that if that. Yeah. So and then united seventy seven are all getting Paris I actually saw this the other day I was looking. Houston Sao Paulo is seventy, seven, dash nine. and it was it was players convict. Yes now. I mean the answer is like they've not all the planes were originally scheduled to get the conversion. And now the rest of the a bunch of them are which to me also says that the company plans on pushing seven six threes out more Quinlan when it hasn't a chance. By The. The comment of this is what our business travelers expect. We need to have consistent product and we need to have, and this is what the fleet of the futures, a seven, seven, seven, eight, seven, seven. Seven seven. So then you're done. You only think they're going to push seven six threes out. Yes I got seven eighths that are vaguely similar capacity. And longer term, we're going to be cheaper to operate. From a field perspective will say. or just like over like they're getting old. Well, they are getting old, but they've put a lot of money into them right and I could see them delaying their three twenty one extra large order and using them on PS. PS. Is the seven, thirty, seven, Max ten. Not only excellent. I could see that he got replaced The accelerator replace the seven, fifty seven, and the seven six threes are almost as old like the are maybe a stopgap and also like with a High Jay. Hijack. Fairly. Good we can use the hi, I'm sorry I didn't mean. Say. Appropriate response yes. He wants to sit in business class. Over the kid of works out US right now. I think I think that he would be very well behaved. Now I don't think so not like this. Sargus I want to let you guys talk. But vise big about I. There's only so many planes that they can still fly part of this is that there's no demand so you make cuts. Right like the fifty seven's were have been ready to be retired and they were stretching about instruction him out in stretching about hoping for something transatlantic but. Maybe, use the seven sixers as a stopgap there but like. I don't feel like there's going to be over the next four, five years. A huge downturn may get mad and see what the numbers are but a huge downturn new aircraft investments -sarily. So. That's but that's the thing. Right? Rather than financing new planes. I that's why I think that. We might actually see these planes reused. Because it's going to be cheaper to pull these planes out of storage and used them. Pay That just for incremental demand or for general demand right like attack yet they'll come out you can play out very quickly, which is good. If there's a sudden change in what they demand pace or demand curve looks like but. Despite. The fact that it's always cheaper to operate some, you know the older playing that you already own at least from a leasing costs, perspective and financing perspective fuel costs matter the. Whether they really want to commit to it or not are paying attention to fuel burn more now. And just overall like. You say that every time but also these sorts of mega events generally result in fleet turnovers and so when you start looking at what all the airlines are saying. To like every single one of them is saying we're getting rid of the old fleet. The exception is arguably Lufthansa. That is keeping the seven four seven in favor of the a three eighty being retired but the three eighty, twenty, five percent more seats. Other than that WHO keeping older planes instead of saying accelerating our transition right now. Into the, recovery. I mean they just sent the Byrd three hundred to be retrofitted with players this week. So I'm inclined to think that they're thinking they're not GonNa get rid of them that quickly. I don't know. Why does that quickly five years? Versus a reasonable amount of time. Yeah. I keep keep the ones that are Polaris, and they get rid of the ones that they don't convert because there are some that they haven't converted correct but I think John nyc posted they just sent one to Wilmington today. Seven six or a seven, six three. Yeah I don't know I. I'm not. I wouldn't be super I guess I'd be a little surprised if they That he is a C. check, not a conversion necessarily by the way is what he moved mentioned at the ones that already have polaris keeping for some and. I don't think that you're gonNA retire them all immediately at the same time I certainly don't think They're going to completely. I don't think that I don't think the Semtex three fleet as existed in January, fully flies again ever no I agree with that. But I don't think I i. think most of them have already been converted from what I from what I remember. I think most of the fleet will come back unless something you know if if the Trans Ds, I think most of them will come back now they might not but. We'll see. Dealt is opening a tech center in India just united starting to hire they're. Just. So there are seven seven, six threes which have not been converted. I I sort of expected those conversions. We'll take it back seat to the seventy sevens that were announced. Are Not am but were indicated today. Yeah. I could see those seven exiting but I think the ones with flowers I. Think we'll see come back. I just I guess. They Cam combat, will they all kinds demand comes and I think that the troubles Evanston the seventy seven will lead rather than follow. Those was what I'm saying I think we have a higher risk of seeing more exits of the seven seven's. Particularly, two hundreds hundred older united. Wednesday do seven six, but we'll see. Russians have the united too much of the convicts right I. Mean They have a bond that are not exte- which are actually pool are even some diversity i. It depends on how many seats that need doing ought to Congo target how much it's also. Chicago's getting all seven eighths right? That was their commitment. Because, people were tired of flying oneal they have seventy, four, seven, seven, twos rate twenty, two came from Co.. So. That's fifty two are still legacy united. Thought. And Thirty, eight, seven, six threes. So if you say well, most of them come back twenty, seven, six threes come back probably. Follow Win I don't think. We've beaten this wanted dead pulp. I was GonNa say do you guys want to talk about? Super Elite Seth. Got Air candidate status no purpose. Towards the free snack now. Yeah. This is sort of like actually a similar to what the united in the US carriers have done for benefits. If you're an Air Canada's burly, which is their top Tier Hundred K. you get a free snack and drink. In your stocking coach. As meal service returns to the flights news is They're limited only to the shelf stable snacks and not the good meals. And Free Politics I think is only up to like six, ninety five, which makes it sound which I haven't looked at the medicine assume their specialty drinks that are more expensive. Why have been be that stingy at that point in for giving them one drink what's an extra couple of bucks for the few people that data? Yeah. Now a couple bucks times a few people becomes a couple few box. Right. But these are allegedly your most important flyers, right? Yeah. I get to your coming from it's Yeah there's a lot of numbers there but. There's a lot of math goes into numbers in the calculations but. I, don't know. If you have a Cobra brand credit card. You get like an extra credit for your drinks. You can get the more expensive drink that have been smart. that it altogether. it's like a bundle. Pretty soil bill tell the difference between a blogger, a flight attendant. Credit Card today. Anyway Use My use my flight attendant code sign up. I might earn a commission on this. That's how they to start all of their safety briefings. I would lose it So let's talk about the coronavirus a little bit the CDC. Has stated that they have sixteen hundred cases people who have flown on an tested positive for. COVID. Nineteen. and they believe that there have been about eleven thousand people exposed on airplanes who have flown with these sixteen hundred. Positive. Cases thoughts on this things I'm missing. I mean we've we've talked about before. The planes are relatively hard places for the virus to spread because of how the way the air is filtered. But you're still really close to people so. Just interesting. But over what period of time? Brady mean legal we this eleven thousand people. One month six months. Right that makes a big difference I. Don't know if it's inhaled see. Only a few weeks for around five hundred cases. So I guess there's another. study published. Published by the CDC is a weird term. In some ways but like did the CDC said artists that just saying that this? This study that was submitted seems to be valid. Because some of the stuff is that in some is. The department actually saying things but. The there was another study of like. In March, they tracked the spread of something of crony virus on a plane and they said between business economy and like so just you know the idea that because of that, the airflow wasn't necessarily enough and that's Arguably true. Right. We will have to wear masks also, but at the same time. Apparently of the people that supposedly got it while on the plane, the like a bunch of them are all traveling a group at together. So like happen on the plane or did it happens before or after we don't know like there's a whole lot of. There's a whole lot of unknowns in these studies. I'd say about the airplane stuff which is not by any stretch for me way of saying absolutely go fly hundred percent safe. I'm not entirely convinced but. I think that's I, mean, that's a good point I think that you know the they're not. We're not doing controlled studies of airplanes and air flow on airplanes heavy heavy right now like it's not like. I doubt. That's like the the top of the list of priorities for researchers. Is. How does airflow affect covert I? Think most of them are focused on finding a cure find vaccine finding. A way to prevent the virus. So I mean, yeah, you're right. It's it's we're in an unknown. Certain time where the stuff is kind of being, they're trying to take the data that they have. Come to some kind of conclusion about it. So yeah. Faucets going say something. Think slow October fight was don. Say. So yeah, it's it's an interesting thought. It was interesting right up by the Washington Post apple posted a link in the show Foss I, WanNa talk to you you actually flew. I did. first time on a plane since March. Six and a half months. Wow. That, well. I was okay. You know what I don't Miss It. That, which part the in dealing with people or. Well it's the first time in. Fifteen years I can say that I, walk into the United see one thousand and found a seat without any problems. But I mean overall security was blazingly fast to call two minutes. I mean but overall, it's. Kinda. Don't miss the travel aspect of it anymore. You know it's kind of you know I was commenting to one of my friends it's like you know after. Essence detoxing for six months you come off the hamster wheel when you go back on the history like, why am I here? So. You'RE SORTA lot yearly e loss sorta habit, and now you're like, why do I wanNA start off again. Well that and I look at my bank account. And Look at shifting funds and go well. See I found Hob I've got a hobby that's almost as expensive and still requires me to wear masks. So I'm. Here With. A little spent flying but. But it's fight was fine I i. it was kind of surreal. It's amazing to see everything. So empty except the flights the some of the flights are full but the airports are. Do you think people are delaying their arrival to the airport until as long. As. Late as they can. So they don't have to spend any time inside now. I mean is it I mean do you like at Newark got six monitors only one and a half had screw headache five, five PM. Right that that's unheard of. A one of the displays by the security checkpoints united just ripped out and put a night just use the monitors put up a nice united logo. I took out a whole security checkpoint. No not the displays for the out. Just, the okay fit whatever. OTJ's trying to hold on, but a lot of their stuff was closed. How how was it wearing a mask The entire flex did a trans con right? You did Dago France but yeah. It talked to and what I realized this you know because I don't have to do this I occasionally have to wear reading glasses and wearing a mask with reading glasses not realistic. That strap doesn't work well with the reading bog up they up but it's not just reading glasses any. My sunglasses on if I go outside. But I mean. United okay, they actually yeah. On the PS fight or or whatever. They're calling it these days there is actually a hot meal. It all shows up on one trae all pre wrapped. Two options which was decent. D-. The non coast fights, it's just to get a snack box stacks Gotcha. So you didn't end up taking. Mint on this on her. Wasn't flying from San Diego yet, and from La was g the expensive. That's the thing that I don't. This is the one thing you know from air first points I don't understand is. They're not selling the premium cabins within a week, but they're charging Lichter full. It's the isn't isn't that like a economics theory you know a scarcity even if it's false scarcity, even if it's not scarce, make it look like it scares. Guess. Time of desperation at the time to play psychological games. Touche Touche the one thing I will say. Very disappointed united as they broke their APP. House. So used to be. If you had a flight, you pull up the APP, you could check in. The flight card. Now, it won't even show you anything in flights because they've changed something with authentication mechanism. So now you have to go my account. So at first load. The reservations than you can check in. But. Then if the session times out like in the middle of your flight, you can't get to the second boarding, pass the boarding passes, and in the APP, anymore the car doesn't update. US. Definitely broken yeah. hoops. Just minor. Light changed they built into it. No. No I don't think it has to do with that. This has to do with I. Think they opted to make a decision to try to hide the one that you could always do popa reservation without authentic re authenticating. And I think someone in there for wisdom all we shouldn't do that but didn't think about all the ramifications it would path maybe like tied to the story that came out from Australia The guy who where former Prime Minister Tony posted his pr some hold up this details in had his passport number. But you could do that without authenticating though like you could do that today if you have someone's last name in there. I think what Fayza saying is like if you think about. Maybe. United was scared by that but I think really there's no way they changed anything that quickly. This is still your personal device. You're already logged in right yet I don't think they I don't think what they took into account was the fact that if you're on your iphone, you have to face idea touch ID your pass code to get in to the phone. And then you're signed into the APP I mean I don't WanNa sign in every time I need to do something with a boarding pass. So. Like the handling. And if there's an extra authentication step that needs a connection. Exactly like. Just on the plane doesn't mean about the lifeline or even the free Wifi that supposedly for the United APP, it's still paying. Exactly. Own posted the Roberto Cologne tweet. I. Got you today I decided that for the show notes. Go. Posted it for our listeners I. think that's a show guys. What do you guys think? Tons good. Anything else you WANNA talk about Covers a lot. 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Episode 5: Crazy Eddie: The Fall of an Electronics Empire
"Story depleted pain. Welcome to episode five of the Great. Fail A podcast that examines the greatest success stories? And they're spectacular failed. What led to the demise of the most prolific people brand companies? I'm your host Jeffer- chan and this will be looking at. It was a bitter cold New Year's Eve especially this one for Debbie Rosen. Wife of Eddie Antar. Better known as crazy. She was joined by her sister-in-law Ellen. Who was that he sister and her other sister in Law Robin? The wife of Eddy's brother both who she was in dear to and had a strong kinship with though they weren't blood they've been through thick and thin bound by ties that were unspeakable to the outside world. Tonight was a night of celebration to everyone around. The party was the last thing on their minds. They were on a mission and Debbie had the most at stake from a distance. It was ellen that I caught wind of what they were searching for over there. They're over there. She scrambled startling. Debbie who squinted and made up the image of the man. She spent more than half of her life with her childhood sweetheart. The father of their two children hanging on his arm was a petite curly blond haired woman wearing inexpensive brown fur coat. The copes lit as she walked just enough for Debbie catch a glimpse of her pink dress. They were laughing walking towards a stretch. Limo. Despite Debbie's better judgments she wrought with despair ran over to her unfaithful husband what would ensue would-be a blur from blind rage. But court testimonies reported lots of screenings flapping expensive furs and jewels flying. Debbie made a scene in the street that night and humiliated her husband. What is that saying? Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and ED. He would soon find out the hard way. Just how true that statement was. That was New Year's Eve nineteen eighty-four and that street altercation. That lovers quarrel of deceit and betrayal was the beginning of the end for the entire crazy. Eddie Saga to the story of crazy. Eddie plotted into existence in nineteen seventy one and bludgeoned into extinction by nineteen eighty nine. If you lived on the East Coast back in the eighties you surely would have heard of crazy. It was the hallmark of Blue Collared Success before there was a best buy walmart or FRY's electronics crazy. Eddie built a blueprint for the consumer electronics. Business this company that proliferated. It's branding of catching marketing slogans and campaigns onto the TV screens of our beloved homes. Personally my fondest memories growing up in Queens. New York was enduring. The freezing cold winters around Christmas season and seeing one appreciates Eddie's commercials playing against the backdrop of our clanking radiator these commercials featured the eccentric comedian Jerry Carroll who would be manically chanting in an auction near like manner. Oftentimes losing his composure as enthusiastically screams out the latest holiday sale convincing those that their inventory of TV's VCR's and even telephones could be undersold and wouldn't be undersold of course none of the commercials would be complete without his famous sign off ending with the infamous line. His choices are insane. These low budget kitschy commercials would later become an iconic part of American culture satirized varies fashions on shows like Saturday. Night Live Seinfeld and the animated comedy cartoon Futurama but the story of crazy Eddie was so much more than just it's commercials. It was an extremely successful enterprise known for its aggressive sales techniques and heavily discounted merchandise and of course their ability to out priced competitors. This success also led them onto the stock markets in nineteen eighty four where it started trading at eight dollars per share and within two years soared to seventy nine dollars a share and if stocks were sold on good stories. Eddie was the mastermind storyteller. But I in order to truly understand the man behind the legend. We need to go back before the ADS. The market and the success because at the core this was a story about family and crazy. Eddie started out as a family operated business run by the ONTAI. The entire clan were Syrian immigrants who migrated to America with hopes of a better life various generations of an PAS. Go all the way back lifted Syria. I'm the Arab domination and as Jews now countries. We were discriminated against. We weren't allowed to be doctors lawyers. I Wa contract the only thing we could be with prejudice so my great grandfather was a peddler my grandfather was. My father was the old my uncle Edward where you want to call. The retail press came off the boats and then they became retail the wherever so retailing was always in the blood very areas that the Sephardic Syrian Jews was either rob the garment business. What they wanted to electronics Which is a duly pretty much any vet who the patriarch of the Family. The old grandchild he started his son in electrics withdrawn his nephew inhabiting the company called the traffic. That was Sami Antar Aka. Sammy who is first cousins with Eddie? Antar Sammy was the chief financial officer of Crazy Eddie. An instrumental piece to the rise and fall of crazy. Eddie he added some context to the families. Principles stemming from his long lineage culture was never trust the government because of all those years of discrimination out when most people come into a Barucha you know they keep some of their values from the old country and they shed most of May similarly but in some cases you have people that don't always shed certain things from the old country they'd funding that don't get assimilate and this deep distrust of the government. Okay and if you happen to be also dishonest and have a deep distrust of the government. Okay it's just very very good way of sustaining a crime because you are you dealing with family member. The bonding process is a lot different. As far as you co-conspirators. Because they're all family members at the beginning. As Sammy explained this was a family hinged on the distaste and distrust of the government there was no bones about it. This was a premeditated intent to lie cheat and steal an unbeknownst to the rest of the world. This family would soon be architect being one of the most crooked villainous deceptive scams of all time within the on our family was Eddie's father Sam and his chew brothers Mitchell and Allen. Sam Served as patriarch of this tightly. Knit on tar clan partly because he was the oldest son of the grandparents but mainly because he was the wealthiest the families I electric stores started in nineteen. Sixty-nine ERS's electronics founded and owned by Eddie. His Father Sam and Eddie's first cousin Ronnie add up their first initials and you get ers. It was initially quite successful Eddie as it turns out was quite the charismatic entrepreneur and was known for his theatrical salesmanship. He would playfully block entrances of his stores refusing to let customers leave until they made a purchase and even took shoes as deposits for stereos and other merchandise and he earned quite the reputation for cutting his prices so much that it triggered backlash with the federal guidelines you see consumer electronics was just burgeoning and there was a statue called fair trade laws which meant manufacturers would set a standard price for all retailers on products to prevent them from selling at very low prices wasn't competitive in the early days casseus something notice via trade which allow the manufacturers to stuff the price that there could be sold at the retail level so manufacturer life guy knows as Japanese manufacture like Sony and Panasonic if you deviate from this suggestion price they could cut you off. In other words. Everybody felt the same price without insurance with everybody. The same profit margin the problem premed in practice however was for larger chain stores Which he knows days where the coffin store. There's no specialty electron chain as we have today like best They must be regional ready specialty electronics. Talk About Day. So we have these Flawed Chain Jagdish project and they would throw in the customers and small mom and pop retailers. Like CRAZY EDDIE. Cost efficiencies because they operated on shoestring budgets. They couldn't pass along those cost efficient teeth in the form of discounts for consumers. And they going out of business and what he did was e- summed his nose at the manufactures fourth of course and help abolish. I was very instrumental in the Bala shape. What was known as a trade and that gave him instant street cred gets into credibility but the only reason why crazy Eddie's was profitable as a private company 'cause exchange shave companies for the public office point crazy as the property in nineteen sixty nine to nineteen eighty four. The only reason why we will profitable because most Catholic paid in cash and we was giving the Castel -cluded they'll come during the time of the fair trade dispute Ryan getting nervous. He saw New Light at the end of the tunnel and your s was draining a lot of cash. He wanted out so Eddie. Seize the opportunity to buy out his cousin to become the majority owner of e R s making himself more powerful than his father little. Did anyone suspect that this would begin to unravel the family ties between Eddie and the rest of the on tarps. Despite Ronnie's fears Eddie's fight did eventually prevail and his opposition to fair trade practices. Made him a hero to the eyes of Consumers. Once he won the battle he changed the name from. Ers's electronics and became crazy. Eddie it was an instant overnight. Success Story and the company was bankrolling cash hand over fist. But it was also criminal enterprise masking as a Business Eddie was paying his employees off the books and skimming cash off his sales to avoid sales tax back then customers paid in cash and it was easy not to disclose sales and keep the sales tax which allowed Eddie to skin. Millions of dollars in profits by using the register to under report income and between one thousand nine hundred seventy five to nineteen eighty. So much cash is kept under their beds in floorboards and deposited overseas in Israeli banks. So how did his cousin? Sammy get pulled into the family business. Well that's a story that goes back to their childhood. As Eddie was always Sammy's hero and a ringleader. From an early age the side of the cousin he was like the Jewish guy to beat up the Italian Jewish gets back at that in other words. He was fun he was like the guy and you know anyone's Very very charismatic. And he took me under his wing. When I was fourteen years. I mean my first Christmas bonus we got fifteen hundred dollar cash bonus nineteen point four forty years. Old That's Even today it's a lot of money for fourteen year old back. Then you know forty years ago. Fifteen hundred dollars probably like thousand dollars today in cash. From that Moment Sammy was hooked. He was essentially groomed to become the criminal financial mastermind behind the family. Business and along with Eddie's charm and decisive leadership. They became a lethal combination sorted. I was a nerdy kid that I like to read the Wall Street Journal Barron's and also there was the Wall Street. Transcript that Mudi's rediscovered atop stock market and he's floor. Yeah we saw in the you know he was very ambitious Guidi soybeans. Something that can be part of his ambition and that's pretty much. What would happen if it's always more complicated than than the than the web burn but a lot of people in the family involved and I would be that was groomed to be the financial braid. He's family intentionally sentenced to school to help them commit a more sophisticated crime in the future and he was trained to be a criminal. No criminal cheap themselves out of getting a good education I got like a ninety average on the CPA which is impossible task. Cheat on words. I was very very good at getting an education thank. It'd be better criminal me. My intention pure evil. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty when Sammy graduated from Baru College as a certified Public Accountant. His fate had already been made known. The family had been stealing from Uncle Sam for the past several years and they wanted to commit the crime on a much larger scale and the plan now was that they would steal from investors crazy announced that they wanted to go public and it was now. Sammy's job to legitimize the business. In order to commit the bigger fraud it became his job from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty-four to prepare the business for the next phase previously. The goal had been to understate income to reap more prophets but now they had to do the opposite in order to go public and get a higher value for their stock. They needed to overstate their profits. And Sammy being the diligent under study that he was actually took the job. Moonlighting as an auditor to find out exactly how auditors thought how the analyze reports so that he can then manipulate their own financials but as this was occurring behind the scenes so something else something even more sinister the entwining of family and business and V and control for power. Eddie's dad was becoming more jealous as did the rest of the family including et his brothers and his sister. The internal rivalries of greed stemming from Eddie's controlling shares of the family business now had him assuming the mantle as the de facto patriarch and. Nobody was happy about that. So the family hatched the plan that sought to publicly humiliate Eddie and bring him down. Which was how Eddie's wife. Debbie found herself in that infamous streetfight on New Year's Eve. You see it was. Eddie's family that tipped off Debbie and let her exactly to Eddie and his mistress knowing very well the havoc would ensue Eddie. Sideswiped by the betrayal of his family vowed for vengeance. But it would have to happen at a later time because they were about to go public and in order to do that they needed to work together to uphold the family's public image by Nineteen eighty-four the company listed their stock on the Nasdaq. The depravity of the families unethical ways made for handsome profits. Their stock shot up ten times within two years with the Entente holding most of it the even raised one hundred and forty five million dollars from investors investors who had no idea just how fraudulent the business wise Wall Street was high as a kite flying off the success of Crazy Eddie but even with all that success there are some feelings. You just can't shake and within the entire family. Resentment was about to boil over desperate again to overthrow Eddie. His Father Convinced Debbie now his ex wife to sue him for fraud. But this time Tying Eddie. Up In another legal battle was putting unnecessary pressure on the business and he began to surface to the public the polarization of the family with Eddie and Sammy on one side against the rest of the entire clan began to hurt sales and where the family used to work together as a team. Now were disintegrating at the seams. And the timing couldn't have been worse because by this time. Many other mass discount retailers began emerging onto the scene. The Crazy Eddie. Stock began tank and to the horror of the entire family. The worst thing that could have happened was about to happen right before there is there was a rumor about a hostile takeover at this time everything was done internally and no one knew about the inner workings of the family if there was a hostile takeover of crazy eddie. The new ownership would expose everything that the family had been trying to hide for the past eighteen years. Eddie and Sammy had to devise a plan to thwart the hostile bidder and they chose their white knight a billionaire by the name of San Belzberg to outbid their rival and try and take the company private. Once they did they would unload all the troubles onto the Belzberg family and blame the merger for all the Financial Troubles. That would be uncovered. But that plan would never happen. Because by the end of the summer of Nineteen eighty-seven Crazy Eddie. Fell into the hands of new owners who had taken the company by surprise over some of our own fraudulent success. People Book Crazy Eddie. Speaking with a gold mine. And that's the problem. Company didn't have enough stock to stop a hostile takeover. Nine days later the JIG was up along with about forty million dollars in inventory fraud and if that wasn't enough to put the nail in the coffin to buddies at his brothers are also former employees of the store reported him to the SEC and pins Eddie and Sammy as their fall guys for the entire family operation Eddie fled the country and escaped authorities for almost two years with funds hit stashed away but was eventually caught in nineteen ninety two or he pleaded guilty to one charge of racketeering conspiracy doing almost seven years of jail time. Sammy who testified against Eddie received four months of house arrests. They never spoke again. In Two thousand and sixteen. It was reported that Eddie had died. He was sixty eight years old to believe. In God to read the Bible you read the first chapter of the Bible. Which is Genesis? Okay you have to make in the garden this evening. Even to eating the apple manipulating behavior so really. The first profession wasn't prostitution. It was fraud. People will always take advantage of each when he passed. Larry Weiss who had once helped craft those famous commercials spoke about Eddie. He said he was a character. You know he was very charming. Charismatic powerful decisive. He was a very cool guy but then again he had a dark side which was appropriate. Because Eddie was always regarded as the darth vader of capitalism. You've seen the movie you've read the book you got the t shirt now experience for yourself crazy Christmas and all these TV in the wild plants praising blizzard about anything every TV and video remember we are we will not be undersold. We cannot be on his own. It's Christmas Rogers TV and video. Now thanks for listening to the great fail a program that spotlight some of the most infamous case studies and failed businesses brands and ideas and goes beyond that to garner lessons and wisdom so that we can all learn from the greatest mistakes. 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How New York's Coronavirus Response Made the Pandemic Worse
"On March second one day after the first confirmed case of Corona virus in New York City Governor Andrew. Cuomo held a press conference. We have the best healthcare system in the world here. and. excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers I speak for the mayor also on this one. We think we have the best healthcare system on the planet. Right here in New York. CUOMO was getting at an idea that the system would work. Because of New York's public health establishment, the state wouldn't struggle to fight the virus like other places had so. When you're saying what happened in other countries versus what happened here? We don't even think it's going to be as bad as it was in other countries. What followed this March? Second press conference was the most harrowing public. Health crisis new. York has seen in a century. Today more than twenty thousand people in New York, city have died from corona virus. That's one out of six deaths in the entire country. Our colleague Shalini Ramachandran has been working over the past months to answer a question. What went so wrong? People didn't die only from the coronavirus because we couldn't get to them in time, or they're wearing of people to help them, or there wasn't enough equipment to help them. Some people died because of a lot of things that could have been avoided. A. Lady and her colleagues tucked in nearly ninety frontline healthcare, workers, hospital, administrators and government officials. They reviewed emails legal documents and memos to understand the missed warning signs and subsequent chaos. Many healthcare workers say led to unnecessary deaths. Welcome to the journal our show about money, business and power. I'm Caitlyn by. It's Tuesday. June twenty third. Coming up on the show how the response to Corona virus in New York City fell short, and what other cities and states can learn as their own numbers rides. This episode of the Journal is brought to you by the American Medical Association to learn about the health inequities highlighted by the current pandemic and the structural realities that contribute to them this Ama Dash A. S. S. N. Dot Org. Slash covert equity. In your. The first corona virus case in the US was reported in Washington state in January, but around two months later when the virus officially spread to New, York officials were reluctant to shut down the biggest city in the country new. York reported its first. Colonel Case on March first and the day after that Mayor Bill De Blasio tweeted that people can go see a movie. Go on with their lives. A day later Governor Cuomo said at that press conference that the state's healthcare system was the best in the country and was ready to confront the corona virus. But as in New York grew, and CUOMO declared a state of emergency, the actions of New York's leaders started to splinter, and that was especially clear in deciding when to shut down. So the politics involved are that governor Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio have a long contentious history, and during those crucial days when people were. Trying to figure out whether New York City should be lockdown or not. They were often at odds with each other. I mean one example. Those Mayor de Blasio said the city might go under a shelter in place order which Governor Andrew Cuomo, then dismissed and being constantly at odds with each other helps over the confusion. So what was the turning point for New York leaders to stop waiting? When did it become clear that things were taking a turn for the worse, so that was March thirteenth when it became clear that there was community spread from one man in a New York City suburb, and at that point the city realized we're. We're not planning for crisis a few months from now where responding to one already here and just for comparison in early March at the same time period New York was. Feeling like they were well prepared. Other American cities in states. We're taking action. Yet and here's where the difference really shows, New York was remaining open, even as its caseload was skyrocketing password, others were so for instance, California issued a statewide lockdown with one thousand and five cases on March nineteenth, while New York remained open with five thousand, seven hundred four cases, and that's according to update updated Johns Hopkins Data. Spokespeople for the city and state said they did everything they could. Once the risk of covid became clear. The BLASIOS spokeswoman said that quote ultimately are hospitals withstood the pressure and our doctors and nurses delivered heroically. The crisis in New York only got worse as the virus spread out of control. So. It was becoming clear that New York City's caseload was spiking in a way that other places weren't and it also starts to become clear around March twentieth. When the ICU of certain Queens hospitals were just starting to overflow and doctors were saying I haven't seen anything like this in all my time in ICU care. Two days later. Cuomo put into effect a statewide shelter in place order, and in the weeks that followed that chaos in the queen's ICU's would hit more hospitals around the city testing the health system at a scale. It had never seen before with a disease that the world was still trying to understand. As New York shifted into emergency mode Cuomo, ordered hospitals to increase capacity by fifty percent, but hospital executives were quick to point out that more space wasn't their most pressing concern. Hospital executives said increasing beds isn't the problem. We gotTA. Have the train staff who can take care of these people because it's not just any doctor, any nurse who can do something like this? They have to be trained in critical care. Respiratory Therapists are the masters at Mechanical Ventilation, and there's only a limited number at each hospital. What were the consequences of having too few staff and hospitals? The main consequence was that there was a lack of patient care, and there was just so many patients there that they couldn't possibly give them adequate care. In some examples that we saw reported on one is just simply unattended deaths people dying because they were just kind of lost system, one doctor had to oversee dozens of patients, and there's just no possible way. They would be able to get to everybody according to emails and interviews with healthcare workers in one operating room Icu it New York Presbyterian Columbia. Respiratory Therapists at times cared for over eighty patients shift. A normal level is about ten patients a shift. The, staffers there were overworked and they weren't able to suction mucus out of the patient's lungs enough, which resulted in patient complications, and there's also lack of patient care that normally would have been in an ICU intimated patients lips were bleeding. They developed sores on their backs from not being turned off off and staffing shortages were. Cute that you know one respiratory therapists elmhurst estimated that with more staffing and better equipment they could have saved thirty to forty percent of covid patients. Who died there. In response to Shala news reporting the city's public hospital system that includes Elmhurst and Bellevue said the system quote mobilized quickly to shift staff and equipment to the hardest hit hospitals. and New. York Presbyterian defended its response to quote unprecedented challenges. Staffing, shortages. Lead to other problems. There are several cases where you heard about of people started getting lost in the system and dying without anyone knowing and one case at Brookdale University Hospital Medical Center. This is in Brooklyn. A family member call the ERS inquire about their mother in her eighties, and the doctor looked them up and realized that she had died two days prior, and he was saying that this is happening daily. When you spoke with Brookdale doctor, how did he say? He felt he was really upset. Doctors and nurses and the respiratory therapists, all these healthcare workers I talked to were just devastated that they couldn't give the care that they felt these patients needed, and it was emotionally just breaking them to have to talk to these family members, and say look I'm sorry. Your mom died two days ago. We don't know where she is. A Brookdale spokesman, said the hospital staff quote did their absolute best to provide care to those in need during this pandemic. And what the hospital say about these staffing shortages? And the lack of care that they caused. So, the hospitals typically said that they were trying to secure staffing earlier in February January and they said that they ultimately did bring in thousands of additional staff, and basically we're saying once we knew this was upon as we tried our best to bring in people as fast as possible and try to train them, but they reiterated this was a crisis. This was something that wasn't foreseen. The shortages wrought by corona virus didn't stop at staffing. In fact. This shortage that got the most attention during the peak of the outbreak was ventilators. But it turns out assumptions about the importance of ventilators to treat. The virus were mistaken. More on that after the break. This episode of the Journal is brought to you. By the American, Medical Association the COVID. Nineteen crisis is making it clear systemic racism and bias continue to contribute to inequities in US healthcare. The AMA is carefully compiling resources to highlight these inequities and the structural realities that contribute to them. To learn more about health, inequity and COVID nineteen visit. Ama Dash ASEAN. Dot Org slash covert equity. Welcome badly. With cases surging in New York City hospitals ran out of ventilators, and they had to borrow from state and federal stockpiles. The stockpile ventilators doled out by the state which came from both the state stockpile and the federal government. Those were antiquated. They lacked the functionality needed to treat. These patients is what the healthcare worker said there times faulty and lead to patient complications like lung collapses Mucus plugs that cause you to sort of oxygen, eight and casualties. This was a big surprise to many of the doctors and nurses and respiratory therapists who I talked to for example, one respiratory therapist at New York Presbyterian Lower Manhattan, said that he documented fifty patients who died due to these inadequate state, stockpile ventilators and due to improper ventilator settings by train staff. Did the hospital dispute this. New York Presbyterian said that the hospital received no such reports about ventilator malfunctions, but the public system said that any state ventilators were not ready to go and that the system had two additional maintenance before they could be used on patients. What did the state say? The state said that they tested every ventilator before sending them to hospitals and received no complaints about faulty than leaders. There was another problem that came up in the race to secure ventilators. Doctors figured out that ventilators weren't. Helping most patients recover. So initially doctors across New York City were ventilating patients early because of the focus from leaders from the medical community on ventilators, and what people start to realize is that most patients on ventilators were dying. They weren't getting off the ventilator and many of the doctors across a hospital system said we have to try to get these people better without putting them on a ventilator. Instead of ventilators, doctors started relying on another treatment putting patients on oxygen. But this treatment required monitoring patients, oxygen levels and many healthcare workers, said the lack of staffing and needed equipment made that an especially dangerous task. Just, imagine a hospital crowded with people and within staff. You need monitors to be able to tell people this Persians crashing. This person needs help, but they just weren't there. This situation especially came up because of how some patients can react to oxygen masks, and they can't get enough oxygen. When you're on supplemental oxygen, and you have these masks on at the point when Diaz innate and you feel like you can't breathe as I, point some of these patients. It's reflex. Rip Off their masks. They do it without knowing because they're in an altered mental state, and at that point, a healthcare worker needs to know that this person might be crashing, but if they don't know. Know they just dot? We are reporting from at least eight New York. City hospitals where doctors and nurses told US patients were gasping for breath and weren't being properly monitored. They hooked up to oxygen died without anyone knowing one elmhurst doctor told me that they personally knew of ten such deaths, including one of a man in his sixties who had been improving up to that point. A spokeswoman for the public system said it had enough monitors to track patients continuously. Another major problem with New York's response was the issue of patient transfers. Hospitals in the city were overwhelmed with the number of covid patients coming in each day, but some hospitals depending on their neighborhood, or their funding were more strained than others. There were pockets of New York City that we're starting to get harder hit than others for instance queens and the Bronx where there are low income diverse communities. Communities they were getting really hard hit. And what hospitals at that point needed to do? was transfer patients from those hospitals to places where they could be helped, because those hospitals were getting overloaded in regular times, there's a system and protocol for how to transfer patients from one hospital to another, but because of the chaos during the peak of the pandemic, that system more government assistance to make it run. This led to another squabble between the Zeo Cuomo administrations city officials told us that they had wanted to set up a centralized evacuation hub that was previously used in emergencies like superstorm Sandy, which would have helped transfer patients between private and public hospital systems among them, and they said that twice the state denied the request. A spokeswoman for the state said the city's centralized evacuation hub wasn't designed for individual patient transfers, so the state created its own system for that purpose. But the state's program had problems. It could tell you when a bed was available, and it would supervise the transfer of a patient, but it didn't supervise the transfer of medical records, so doctors would know what to do. When that patient arrived, the lack of coordination meant that hospitals on their own and really doctors in the moment on their own trying to figure out what to do with these patients flooding the ers. You know sending them out to another hospital, and oftentimes patients would arrive with one foot in the grave, according to the doctors and nurses we talked to, and we heard several examples of patients arriving at Bellevue's Er transferred from other hospitals dying soon after they arrived. And is that because they were so sick? What went wrong there? It seems like what went wrong. was that patients who are super critically ill who normally wouldn't be transferred were transferred in this crisis, and the problem was that they were too unstable to be transferred, and they would arrive without names or medical information, so the doctor is on the receiving hospital didn't even know. Has This person had these treatments? What are their names? The public hospitals said that only the least sick patients were transferred, and their personal information was in a centralized system in state. Officials, said their transfer system ultimately help save lives. New York City's hospitals have largely emerged from the crisis. At this point at the peak there were over six thousand cases a day in the city now they're just a few hundred a number that's manageable for the city's hospitals. But with all of its missteps New York was also the first place in the country to deal with an outbreak of this magnitude. Which means there's also a lot to be learned from its mistakes. There are several states right now. That are undergoing a surge, and hopefully they don't get to where New York was, but given that it did happen here and given that the outbreak spread so fast. There are a lot of lessons to take away from how leader dealt with a hospital. Administrators tailored their response in the moment, and also just how people can better prepare how cities, states and hospital, administrators and frontline workers can better prepare. That's all for today Tuesday June twenty third. The Journal is a covert action of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting from Laura with Asto and Katie Honan. Thanks for listening see tomorrow.
Cattle Current PodcastApr. 17, 2020
"Cattle futures closed higher Thursday. Ers projects the annual average fear steer price this year to be about eight percent. Lower coming up on your calendar market update with whistle wrong. How did all this is West? Ishmael your Kelkar Market Update for Thursday night and Friday morning the seventeenth tobepal negotiated cash fit. Cal Trade remained undeveloped through Thursday afternoon. According to the Agricultural Marketing Service there were a few dress trades reported in Nebraska and the Western corn belt and a hundred and fifty five dollars one hundred weight but too few trend. The price there last week was one sixty eight given the surge in wholesale beef prices. This week some are betting on at least steady money choice. Boxed beef could out value was five dollars and thirty four cents higher Thursday afternoon at two hundred and thirty five dollars and eighty seven cents. One hundred light select was three dollars and seventy six cents higher at two. Twenty five ninety eight. That's ten dollars and a penny more for choice since Monday. And fourteen dollars and fifty eight cents more per select the average dress. Dear wait for the week ending April. Fourth was eight hundred eighty nine pounds. Which was two pounds lighter the previous week but twenty four pounds heavier than the prior year according to USDA's actual slaughter under federal inspection report the average stressed heffer wait was eight hundred and twenty five pounds the same as the prior week but twenty one pounds heavier than the same week last year. Cattle futures closed higher Thursday building on stability from the previous session. Trade and open interest continued to creep higher and weekly beef. Export sales were supportive according to USDA Spore Agricultural Service for the week of April. Third to the Ninth. Net sales of twenty thousand two hundred metric tonnes reported for twenty twenty. Were up twenty eight percent from the previous week and sixteen percent from the prior four week average increases came primarily from Japan South Korea Hong Kong China and Taiwan live cattle futures closed on average of ninety two cents higher across range of seventy cents higher to sixty five hundred fear. Cattle futures closed an average of a dollar ninety seven cents higher across a range of one dollars. Forty two cents higher at the back. Two dollars ninety cents higher toward the front corn futures closed mostly one to two cents lower soybean futures closed five to six cents lower through. March of twenty one and then three to four cents lower fear cattle sold mainly higher at the weekly Thursday auctions monitored by Kelkar year-old steer soul to three dollars her winter livestock in Pratt. Kansas yearling heifers traded want to three dollars higher their forty one hundred and forty seven hit on offer at Woodward last auction and Oklahoma feeder steers ever sold spitting to two dollars higher while Steering Hever Castle. Steady alive test. There were three thousand twenty six hit offer steers Wayne. Eight fifty. Two thousand pounds sold three seven dollars higher at farmers and ranchers livestock commissioning SALONA. Kansas were there. Were twenty nine hundred and eighty four hundred steers point six hundred eight hundred fifty pounds sold. Ford Seven Dollars Higher Heifers. Wayne Seven fifty to nine fifty sold four dollars liar and in one to six dollars lower at lighter. Weight at STOCKMAN'S LIVESTOCK EXCHANGE IN DICKINSON. North Dakota fear steers and heifers traded with higher undertones and two thousand ninety three head on offer likewise higher undertones were noted for steers. Wayne less than eight hundred fifty pounds at Mitchell stock auction in South Dakota where they're fourteen hundred and forty nine head steer way more than eight hundred fifty pounds sold eight to nine dollars higher fear heifers Wayne more than seven hundred. Fifty pound sold one to six dollars. Higher and then unevenly steady in a narrow test lighter weight feeder steers and heifers weighing less than eight hundred pounds. Hold steady two three dollars. Higher at two year Livestock Auction Texas steers and heifers weighing more than eight hundred pounds sold steady to two dollars. Lower their fourteen hundred eleven head on offer finally fear steers wine more than five hundred fifty pounds soul to seven dollars higher with instances of sixteen dollars higher. Ed Napoleon last auction in North Dakota fear. Heifers wind five and a half to six hundred pounds. Sold six to nine dollars higher and then one to six dollars higher at six hundred fifty to seven hundred pounds. There were twelve hundred and seventy nine head major. Us Financial Services wobbled higher. Thursday as investors balanced negative economic impact from Kobe. Not Teen with hopefulness the plans for forthcoming for the nation to get back to work. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed thirty three points higher the S. and P. Five hundred closed sixteen points higher and the Nasdaq was a hundred and thirty nine points. As Fed cattle prices full and feed lot margins decline feed lot operations will likely reduce placements and reduce bids for feeder calves say analysts with USDA's economic research service in the monthly livestock dairying poultry outlook. They explain relatively goodpastor. Conditions might allow producers to keep cattle on grass and other pastures until prices began to recover to add in. They say these cavs will likely be placed in feedlots at heavyweight and expected average slaughter weight will also be heavier he. Rs projects the annual average fierce dear price basis Oklahoma City at one hundred and thirty dollars and fifty cents one hundred weight which would be eleven dollars and seventy three cents lower or eight point two five percent less than in two thousand nineteen average price in the first quarter of this year. One hundred thirty six dollars and forty cents. Prices are forecast at one twenty three in the second quarter one twenty eight and the Third Corps and one thirty five in the fourth quarter although slower demand and potentially slower rates of slaughter are expected to pressure cattle prices E R s analysts. Say prices are expected to improve through the rest of the year but remained well below year ago levels. He R S projects the annual five area. Direct fits dear price at one hundred eleven dollars one hundred weight this year which would be five dollars and seventy eight cents lower or four point nine five percent less than last year average fed steer price in the first quarter was one hundred and eighteen dollars and thirty cents. Prices are forecasted a hundred and five dollars in the second quarter a hundred nine in the third quarter and one twelve in the fourth quarter with decreased cattle feeding returns uncertainty and feed lot placements in mind E R s reduced projections for beef production in the third and fourth quarters. However your s analysts also say increase non-food cal slaughter and higher average dressed weights will partly offset the reduction and fed cattle numbers that you're Kelkar market update for Thursday night and Friday morning the seventeenth of April this Ishmael. Thanks for listening
Behind the Table: Meredith Vieira & Joy Behar
"Hey remember this. I've always wanted to do a show with women of different generations. It's not gold. That's my son. Bob walters on the original opening credits to the i'll i show is on august. Eleven nine hundred ninety seven that means the view is turning twenty five. Yeah twenty. Five years of this schedule go on shows like this rather than on meet the press. The press is easy. You guys are. This was seventy deal this on nine. Eleven god don't let me forget this. I asked you if you believed what the republican pundits were saying. Yes you said nothing. And that's cowardly. Oh no no no nothing. Not because celebrate like it's twenty twenty one. We're making a podcast we're bringing together some of the powerful women who have been call host on the view and it all starts now. You hear a lot of behind the scene stories of some of the most comic moments. We'll share all the ups all the downs of the last twenty five years. Nothing's off limits. A first episode features to view originals joy behar and merideth vierra takeaway joy meredith and i have known each other for a long time. We both joined the show in detroit in nineteen ninety seven and she was the first moderator. We spent nine years on the show and we had a lot of fun together on the show in the show by the way joy. Thank you very much for that kiss. It's not a lot to me. And here's here's your gum. Today we talk about how hard it was to keep the show on the air in those early days. What it was like to create a show with the legendary barbara walters and why i was fired and hired back by barbara in one single light. Here's our conversation. Hey bitch all right. So what are we supposed to supposed to talk about the show. Well i figured i what what happened to us from there. It's like a long time ago. Now it's i can't believe it's twenty five years what's fifteen years ago since you left right right. I left in two thousand weight. I left in two thousand six. Yeah yeah yeah. Do you still remember the the initial audition. Oh yeah i do what you well. There was somebody who is out to get your job. I won't mention her name. No joe but athlete just say what. Say what she said. Yeah after we spoke for a while and then they tried her out and then she went back and she's like well you know i can do this i think she also you know i. I went there but i. I wasn't even sure. I wanted to audition because i haven't really watched very much. Daytime television on because i worked and was richard who said to me. You know you're a reporter who doesn't wanna report anymore. So why don't you just try this. Maybe it'll trigger something else. But i think when i was getting hair and makeup i was sort of saying to the makeup artist I don't even know if this is for me. I'm somehow that got out. And then i want the job and then as it turned out i i loved it. I thought it was a lot of fun. That was her ace in the hole. Discover girl even want it. And i tell exactly well guess what was interesting that the exact group that sort of was there was what she picked. Barbara packed i know. I know i always wondered if that was fluky or did they purposely put us together because they thought we might be the best group and then you work from there. I don't know i'd ask just pure pure luck but you know i wanted the job and the reason i wanted it was because you know. I'm all about location. I mean the only reason. I wanted the two reasons why i wanted. The job was barbara. And i figured it won't be a typical dumped. Talk show because she's there and she won't make it stupid and the other reason was. Because i i lived right nearby. And that's my main motivation for everything that i do now live nearby and then i say yes. Okay well my name's joel bay home. I real name actually is josephine okuda. I'm italian and i have a twenty six year old daughter almost as old as bothers her. And i'm divorced hard to believe. And so i said to barbara let's say pretty broach you have there and she said oh okay now. You have the job like as if i was complimenting to get the job which i love my god i was barbara like in the elevators at abc or whatever. I didn't really know barbara and she had gone to. I was i had done a show turning point. It should have gone to my bosses there and said is she funny she you know and they said do i think they said just a little kooky but she's got a sense of humor. And so that's why barbara decided to give me a shot and and i remember going home that night and saying to richard. I can't believe this. I actually really liked it. But i never thought i was going to get hired and then the next thing you know. We're all together. And it's you know scraped brad. Good morning. I'm there at the area this monday august eleventh that this is the first day of our brand new show called the view. How you guys left last night. But i didn't sleep very well at all and then it came to me like a bolt out of the heavens. This isn't my idea or your idea or barbara. Walters call us call twenty. Thanks a lot. Remind me to get nine listened number. I wonder. I wonder if i'm surprised. I never heard that that she wanted you to have a sense of humor. Which you do. You have a very good sense of humor. But i'm surprised that she even felt that i'd like it was necessary. Well because i was a journalist. And i've been one for twenty years and i think she was worried that i would be a little too stayed. Mike knew she was looking for personality and journalist. I didn't interject my personality at all. And maybe a little bit but you know certainly not opinions from all of those things. That's why i was glad to be the moderator because it was really foreign for me to give my opinion you have always given your opinion but for me it was. I didn't know what would come out of my mouth. You know and things came out of my mouth because oh yeah you like this animals you've sets of wacky on this show and you haven't. I know the people expected from me. They don't expect me. She was a serious journalist. So i don't know where she suddenly thinks that journalists has to be funny. That's all i'm just wondering about well. Release personable. i mean. She wanted to make sure that. I wasn't like very serious. I guess You know that. I could carry on a conversation. That wasn't just who what when where and why type of so. Yeah you just felt like they let you out of a cage. Exactly what i felt like. I knew like everybody has their line. That once they cross in and i said blurted out i don't wear underwear that was aligned with i remember in the moment going. What are you saying. And it didn't matter anymore. You know the horse had left the barn and then became a big deal that it became a very big deal. It became. Because i didn't want to go back down that road but yeah everybody read into it and the whole thing. I mean we started right when princess diana the before we get to that. Yeah number the time you said that you were in mensa which you were not and made that up and everybody believed you just like the believed you didn't wear underwear but you do where you did wear something. You wore a one piece that now kim kardashian made so i should have banked on that long ago. You know meredith ers one piece not that it would have sold down sex tape. You would have gotten the job you do it now. I doubt it well. I'm doing one for the blind. So what are we going to say after that. What you said. I know i was talking about when we started. I mean i. I remember the rehearsals. I remember this. You know trying to get an audience to come in. I mean we were new. Nobody people knew barbara and they knew they might know your name them. Some might be might know mining but whatever you know. Probably some people knew star. Debbie was an unknown kids. So maybe mtv some of those folks knew her but but they knew from sixty minutes right. But i'm just saying. This was a new format for wall. You had actually tried to do a talk show. Because i did your pilot with you so you know people should know that's fun that's a good story. At one point. I was getting getting pilots. Like crazy one of the pilots. That i did this show about women in a group just exactly like the view so it was the same show that we came up with louisville. Come up with the virginia. Graham came up with the idea years before right what you were a panelist let cbs. I think pilot. No it's just. It's quite amazing but i do remember a first of all princess diana had just died And then we were supposed to go on the air and it was so that was pretty heavy stuff and to start dealing with. But i also remember us not being able to get an audience to remember. The people will be trucked in. And i remember some group of tourists. They didn't speak any english looking. I'm going they don't know what we're talking about. What you're so hard to get a laugh on that. Show i now. I'm sitting in my house trying to get a laugh. It's impossible impossible. This is this. This format has been a nightmare for a comedian brassiere. The bone of the bruce's the air is sticking in me the whole time. Because why are you wearing it. Well you can't just flip flop on tv even though it's just a head shot and some time. God forbid they pull out. I know. I know but princess diana. That was a bummer. We feel that in nine eleven when we will like we know what to do with ourselves because the show was not serious like it is now the other thing about the show right now. It's too serious for me but you preferred it like this now. I like it smart. But i don't like it so serious. Yeah no when we started. It was not serious. It was much more so-called women's issues that sort of stuff but yeah nine eleven. I i'll never forget being in hair and makeup remember and we were supposed to start hot topics and i think bill came in and we saw on. Tv that a plane crashed into the world trade center but at that point they thought it might probably a little commuter plane or something we were going to do the show rambler and then the second plane hit and we all got sent home and that was surreal. I think an. I knew you do your story. Yeah exactly that's right. It was a local story. Didn't matter to the rest of the country. Yeah well and i remember. It was the day that i realized that all my journalistic instincts kind of went out the window. Because i everything in me as a journalist that go down to the site and everything in me as a parent said go. Get your kids from school. And that's what we did and then we were off the air for what was at least two weeks right. Oh yeah yeah and then coming back not knowing what to say and we've been trying to make sense out of this terrible tragedy to figure out what happened. We are very glad to be back very grateful. I it's extremely hard. If you don't live in new york you understand extremely hard to fill an audience. We thank all of you for coming. You have other things on your mind and it is difficult. We want to get back to normal but it is very difficult and whether you could be funny again and and then we realize the audience s with the audience needed. They needed the relief they needed to just laugh again. So and thank god for you joy because you're always funny. I have to be on nine eleven. My my daughter was sitting on the. What do you call the tarmac. Yes about the plane was about to take off. She was going to. Canada was going to school in canada. And all of the planes were grounded and I called her up on her cell. Phone and i said get off the plane right. Now get off because they didn't know what was going to happen next. And whether that plane was gonna take off and whether they were gonna shoot down another of go into it and she said i can't. They won't let me off. I said you tell that stewardess that your mother said you have to get off that plane. And that's what she did. She got the plan. I said get an a taxi and get to brooklyn right now or they should have never been able to get to brooklyn the roads. We're gonna be completely shut down. And so she did. I imagine you're in the situation where you don't know where your kid is or how it's frightening. It's terrible day. Were they telling her on the plane. What had happened just said she ally. They didn't know anything was supposed to. I say just do it. You have to be proactive. Apps up -solutely get god. That's i know what you mean about as a parent just you. You'll do anything to protect your kids. I mean i remember getting to the school and a couple. There are some kids in the principal office in that area. When i walked in to collect our kids and they were crying so clearly their parents had been in that building. And it was just such a upsetting of setting moments you know and then going home and and If gabe wanted to have a couple of friends over he was a little kid to swim hot day. And i said yeah you should do that. That's okay to do. It was was sort of life-affirming in its own way but that yeah that was that was probably the hardest experienced in my time at the view was oh yeah anybody that electing donald trump well. That's what brought you back right. No tell me because you left now. I was going to say you as a mama bear but i'll tell you that in a minute but bear. I love how you would like at the last minute. He go to la. And you didn't want to go be speaks to leave your kids. They were still young. And of course you can't just say i'm not going to suddenly at the very last minute. You got sick or somebody got sick or something happened. I don't remember that at all joy. Is that really true. I'm sure i made up something. Yes of course. And i thought was she clever and the ball seat to get out of this going to do it anyway. So how'd i come back. Oh well you know they fired me at one point. I remember i i had was eating with you. Docks you angela. Greco that day or right soon afterwards. And i said i don't know if they can't i don't know why why you know and i say oh they said. I was becoming predictable as bill. Getty said that's a lie. I know that's a lot. He ain't made that optimistic. Because i know what the real reason which won't tell you right now. Okay i'll tell you later when no one's listening and so that was the end of that and i was like so glad to leave. I mean he. Many brown came to my office looking. Like you know they're catches died and i looked at them and i said what are you firing me. And they went on. Yeah and i said good. I've been waiting to get out of here. I was well. That's what you did all your writing right. You started to play and you did was true. Yeah i did my solo show. I wrote. I started writing a play. Which i'm going to have reading of it with by the win. Anyway they're going to say. Oh yeah so then. I was walking around province town one somma few years ago. Yeah and all of a sudden. I get a call. And it's hillary mclaughlin who was the new ap of the show and she asked me to come back. And i said. I really don't want i really didn't want to tell you. So why did you tell you what because she said well how about if you just host the show mc this show or moderate on fridays and i said i like that because i always liked that job. They never gave it to me. Because i wasn't famous enough. Like what being rosie and and you and your case it was it was that you were a journalist. I you know but then they decided to put famous people in that spot so that was the end of my career as a moderator. Anyway i said yeah. I'll do fridays. And then. Before i knew what i was on every day sucked in again but then i said all right. They tried to get me to come five days a week. And i was like well. What's going to motivate me. So i bought a bigger house. I that would keep me otherwise. I would not want to do. I have to have some reason to make money. so why. why did you think was the reason that changed from what it was in the beginning because everything evolves to what it is now which is very different now. It's nearly political when i came back. They promised me they would be smarter. Topics and then trump got elected. And that was the end of the of the good old days when you could just talk about you know whether you're snort rice right exactly i remember We always hated doing evergreen shows because you know those taped shows because they were always filled with those kinds of topics right. Because you couldn't do what was happening right in the moment because you know when that thing was going to air and it would never as good. They just weren't as good now. Carter in it. Yeah there's still not still not the same but you can make them. But now we live on fridays. Oh you are. Yeah yeah okay. And we've since i came back you remember. We used to do four. so yes. that's right. That's right that's right. I'm very honored that. Nbc is asked me to co host. The today show and the crew today. That i'm taking all of you until you guys to the today show in my heart because i am who i am professionally and personally in large part because of the past nine years i believe in growth but right now i'm feeling terrific growing pains you of the only one who really left on a high a big high because you off the i know the story. Tell us that what happened to your jeff look came to you. Yeah no i have For certain months during the year. I would do the view and then go shoot. Who wants to be a millionaire. That was contained amount of time that we shot all those episodes. But i would go right from the view to millionaire was only a couple of blocks away the two studios and i got a call from tzakas office saying that. He wanted to meet with me and i said well i don't really have time. You know. and he said well he'll pick you up at the view and take you to the set for millionaire came in this like black. Suv tinted windows berry. Like oh god and he's in the back of the of the suv and he says to me. Nobody knew this at the time is katie. Couric is leaving and we want you. I want you. And i and i said i can't believe i said this because i hate this kind of ageism and yet here i was blurting it out i said. Aren't you skewing a little old. And he went the league. That's easier to sell stupid. And then he said no. I'm looking for experience looking for somebody who i know can day one do this job and i think you're the person i said. Well i don't know i. I've dabbled in morning shows before and it's just not me. I'm not. I'm not an early morning person. I'm not never have been. He said well you know. It doesn't even matter meet map and if you if you like. If you don't like matt. Forget everything now with matt lauer. This was a different time. And i went okay. He was very smart sucker because he knew that we would get along and we did. And then i and. I don't know and so we'll meet him bell the executive producer. Because if you don't like him. And i got along with jim and then i started thinking about it and i went. You know what if i don't take this the today show. I'm always going to wonder. And so i decided to and i remember my contract. I would never have left the view seriously mike optimism. I was going to sign again and then some stuff happened that. I'm not going to say here but it was suggested that i how could i get a job anywhere else. Am i know. And i love that. And then i was like oh heard that story haven't yet but but anyway i mean it was. It was a great moment for me. But i was really hard for me to leave and mostly you. I mean to be honest with you. We had we always had such a great time. And if you can work. Somebody really liked liked. Everybody i'm not saying that but it was always something fun about going in and magic. Remember the meetings we'd have in my dressing room. You go over everything that should have been the show. That was the show. it's behind the scenes. There's always a better show. Always absolutely. I would not have left otherwise so that made it really tough for me. But i knew here's the truth of it. I mean they tell you you'll never get another draw. Meanwhile they tripled at probably triple salary. Oh today asia. Oh yeah but that wasn't the motivation i know. But that's what they were. But that's how stupid. When i know about it are willing to take a third of what they're offering you in much bigger job much more exposure. Bigger career move and they say and they let you go. i mean it was just. I don't understand show miss. Sometimes i don't really know but it was. It was the right thing at the right time for me. And and i'm glad i did it and it led to other things so you know everything. There's a reason for everything but But yeah but i. I had nine years at the view and most of that time was great and i learned a law and i never. I never done that kind of show. So it and for me had suddenly offer opinions albeit reluctantly very often was liberating in of itself. And and and just sort of showed another facet of me that made me more. Actually bankable as a personality you know every time they see something else you can do like. Oh well she can do that too. So right on the ground floor of something you know. We're all together and with barbara. Who was she's a pioneer. Oh my god. She writes stage coaches. We know she's a pioneer. But the thing about you leaving is that then i was. I was crying. And it's the only time i've ever cried until behind the scenes. I was crying not on tv. I don't believe in crying television if i can awkward. Sometimes they against choked up by some said in the happening. But i don't like to show it. That's me yeah. I'm very much about that. I know that you just start crying at the drop of a hat. I will bat and so i started bawling when i realized what is happening to the show. What's happening the show. It's done really well. So i don't know but that year was that year was. That was a rough year when you asked when did did star leave. She left also the same time. Same time okay. Something's been on my heart for a little bit and after much prayer and council I feel like this is the right time to tell you that. The show's moving in another direction for its tenth season and i will not be returning as co-hosts next year. I mean bopper was that a wit's end and the year before it right before that she had fired new remember. She fired me in. La a with you. I know you were remote. I spilled the beans that rosie o'donnell was coming on and she she told she sworn to secrecy. Random around was working the airplane telling us to keep abaza shot and i said okay. I'll be quiet and then entertainment tonight comes up to me in the swag room and they say how do you like. They rosie's coming on. And i go great right out of my mouth now the way you start crying. That's how i start blabbing vomiting informational. I called up call called nielsen. I said told him what i had just done it. And he said we're all going to die. And i go back to my room and she find me. She said you want to hear the story she said to me. Yes i just got a call from entertainment tonight saying that someone told them that rosie o'donnell is coming on the show and do you know who that person was and i said meredith vieira knew who it was and she goes no not meredith vieira bihar and i want you to know i'm not renewing your contract and i said barbara listen. It was a mistake. I don't care you're a loose cannon. And then she changed her mind in two minutes. Manley baronne said she wants to talk to you. I went down. I said barbara we friends. Yes give me your arm and we walked to the nothing happened. I mean that's barbara. So barbara left so barbara. She could scare the whatever out of you. One minute and then be terrific. The next on tell dirty joe. Oh my god we believe that. What a filthy mouth. But she also was so good at delivery luxury thing not vibrator. Gee that's a necessity really good joke teller. She really was. But no. 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Can you help catch this fugitive. Have you seen this man. You seen this man. Have you seen this man. Listen and join the all new hunt wherever you get your podcast. I've kissed you more times. You and jane fonda on my two girls and which one was about her kissing. You have the better lips were really. I don't know who remembers. Look oh i get so needy. Not that. I care joy. But i also kissed whoopi on the air and okay. Yeah but nobody really went for it. Like you and james both of you actually. Well maybe you draw on a us. We still have plenty of lesbian moments on that show. Yeah it was fun. Yeah yeah there's nobody was doing that either. So the shock value alone and people did. I don't think people took it for what it was but it was those as we used to do wacky stuff. We don't do that anymore. We need to do it again. Why don't you come back on the show. i'm not. I haven't been asked but i'm asking you. You have no power exactly. But i mean all you have to do is pretend that you're rabid republican and they'll hire you going to do well you what. The auditions requires that you know first of all. You can't be somebody who you know who believes that. The election was stolen now. We're not going to go with that. And i'm not even sure if you have to be a strong support and maybe you could but i've never met one of these republican girls who doesn't who who stopped talking they just keep talking. Yeah conway. She never met a period where comic she ever met. She's just labs right through. You remember when we. I'm not a conservative. I don't know i'm not really anything. You're an actress we know that. Oh yes or fake. We've seen you acting. So god i recently. I don't know how. I come across that video where i was singing from. Cabaret this painful painful. I don't know why they allowed that to happen. Actually quarrel you had designed to be a musical comedy star and or anything. I mean just dance with beauty and the beast with dance with the beast. And then i did a seat. I did a scene actually with john. Three's company. I love john rich. A nice guy yeah I kept thinking that some broadway. I'd honestly some broadway director is going to be watching and go. Oh my god. She's really all our lives crickets crickets than another seeing from something sad. Really act of desperation. I shouldn't have been allowed us really. I didn't realize that you would be on actual broadway stage. But i think you did do one. Yes thoroughly thoroughly modern million. I did something for. Mary poppins and so what happened. No-one no-one followed up. no one. Did why knifes going into my heart. Listen i have my own experience with no follow ups. We all okay. I thought that i never really understood that you were serious about it and well you know. I seriously if something had happened. Yeah i would have probably jumped at it. But i was i was. It was a great outlet the outlet to sort of. Do something that you have an opportunity to do otherwise you think. How do you think the viewers change you if it has changed me. yeah steve. How is the view changed me. I've gotten surly hasten. Oh wow gained cop installing it because it was something i hadn't done before but you know at the end of the day kind of its tv. There's all tv and performance and stuff and job and it is a job but you've got out before social media went bananas things. They say to us on social media. I could handle it. I i would have to not look at it at all because i mean you're the show demands that you offer opinion and not everybody's going to like it and people. It's so easy on social media to be cruel you know so do you. Do you read it sometimes. Most of my twitter feed is positive. And i would say mostly but he but then you'll see sometimes it's at the bottom of the thing and check in once in a while and then they just nasty them. But i'm used to it because i was married one now because i have to have a radio show. I had a radio show back in early nineties and also express myself and then they would verbally abuse me. People would call in and they'd say they trick the screener they trick the screener. They say. I wanna talk to joy. And i totally agree with her position on homosexuality and then they get on with me and they'd say hi. I'm i'm really an agreement. You liberal slot. I'd be like is they knew you. I want this guy knows me right and that would happen constantly. So i'm used to it. It's not that big a deal to me. I told elizabeth hasselbeck do not do not read the comments and she took that seriously. Well you know what sometimes happens to me. I'll i'll google my name just to see if i'm still relevant or what's going to come up you know. Did you mean meredith. Bax- bernie no actually and and then if you have one good thing it's a low basically in that that old hag she's get off tv calling me they're calling me anti joy anti joy and grandma joined now. It's i mean when they have nothing else they go after your age so absolutely looks and you'll even on the radio they'd say you're ugly and i said well i'm on you've never seen me. I haven't been television. How do you know what i look like. They gonna carry you out of that. Show now let barbara used to say she. And diane sawyer will see the red lightning coffin. Remember that they learned through the years that it's not just interchangeable parts that if you don't have the chemistry of the groom it's not gonna work now so it hasn't member too many times. Yeah yeah because that's it's that's that kind of alchemy you know like you said when we all got together the first time they didn't know it just happened right. There's no way to manufacturer. It's either there or it. Isn't there so i remember in the audition and i said to star. Who is you know heavy at the time a little bit and i said something like what the word fast say it and she went right back at me you know. She was like well. I'm not afraid of it. i'll say it. it's just a pepper. Whatever it was. We had a conversation that was right in the moment of of personalities. And we we were good together in a certain. Yeah that's absolutely. And i think barbara could see that bob persona and then she was only twice a week and exam three times a week or was it the other way around. I think it started with you twice and then the audience really responded to you. Yeah so they added more of you. And then and then barbara barbara would went through periods. She was on every day and then she went through periods which was just occasionally but i think she and she'd be the first admitted she. I think she liked sorry. Answer it. it's by dr. I'll wait. Dr richard maybe shan. Answer it we've been on for. I can't believe. I was so quick to just shut them off like oh it's just my husband's pulmonologist. We've we've been down this road many times. Why here's lung problems. He had an embolism of fumes. Lau yeah yeah. I mean he's fine. He's fine but you know. I think one of the problems with ms is lack of mobility. And if you're not constantly moving you can get dvd's in your and then part of that broke off and went up to as long as i mean he's fine. He's trooper though he is. He's the and tastic fantastic guy. now he is. He is as steve. He is safe in both of those guys that the real they are. You know they're just good people and they aided in they're very what steve cbs'. So funny enriches pretty funny to. Yeah very funny. I really think that being funny and a man in a relationship is a great thing. It's i too because we already are funny. You and i so it would be awful. If they will duds. I couldn't take it day and a little bit of. I like a little sarcasm. I look just enough. That i think that goes a long way. So a little sarcasm not a lot. No just a little bit me. You're one of those people who's highly teachable. Yes by some people like you. Is there any guests that you still crave to have on the show that shows i've seen the show is sort of must tv. Certainly all politicians tip right now. It is for the kind of stuff we're doing and then genre. I think i think that in the fall. We should make it more relatable there many people today we talked about whether you would like to have criticism from your ex husband. I think that's a fun topic to you. Know an interesting topic that people can relate to you getting divorced. Or if you've ever broke up with somebody did you. Do you ever talk to your ex. Well he once you have a child with someone there never got. It's yeah i have my once my kid but you know i see him once in a while. I had zero interest in him. Yeah well. I didn't expect that you did. I wondered if you would accept criticism him. No because it's not objective. I have i can. I can do my own criticism of myself. I don't need him to tell me. I i knew i was wrong in certain ways. Yes i know ask steve. He'll tell you he writes it on. Bathroom walls well anyway so. I guess that i would lie tab. Well mel brooks has never been on. I'm one him on. Yeah he's he's ninety five nap now. Yeah he's again. he never was easy to get. I tried on all the shows. I had to get him on and he never would come on you. Know there's of ageism and television certain point although betty white they have iran in the second. Yeah have you had gene smart on the show. Yes we did zoom. It's not the same thing as in do you wear the have you ever been caught doing something on zoom because you thought they couldn't see you constantly. I'm always looking down at my computer while they're talking and then the director of my ears like you're on your on so. Have you ever seen me like that. You know what. I've been doing all know people text we during the show make comments my friends. You can do it to do it. i will. i had so much fun. Blessed kevin mccarthy and ginger jordan this part of me that enjoys that oh yeah oh they deserve it. Yeah exactly it's clear you enjoy it but But in a good way. I don't wanna talk politics the whole show. We always gonna talk some politics. Because that's what sunny likes to do and right. Anna anna comes on. She likes to do in. I like into sure. But i don't enjoy it when it's too far in the weeds. Then it feels like a civics class and meet the press. You remember obvious to say this is not meet the press and then the other quote from her is i live in wyoming. Why do i care about what happened in new york that day. Yeah she's got a good point she did she did. I actually miss her. Yeah i know. I miss you. She she. She gave us all such a great opportunity. She really did and she like you said was a trailblazer and she got a you know went through an awful lot for other women to have the opportunities that they had so i. She did not have an easy time. She had to deal with the about male chauvinism and sexual harassment matching. What went on in those days. Oh my nobody was watching. And nobody cared. And women have no recourse. You know just a kitchen exactly. And that's pretty courageous. She never gave up on the end. She she beat them all at their own stupid game. She did when she was with harry reasoner and she was the was. The big headline was that she was making a million dollars. I don't remember them saying that. Harry reason was making any money or the mike. Wallace was making what was their salaries. I never heard that before iraq. Because she was a woman they will. Wow exactly or that. Somehow there was something wrong about that too. Like oh i remember that with katie couric. They were all this talk about her salary. Yom same kind of thing. I know it is. It's totally a sexist. does right. yeah yeah we put up with plenty all right meredith on. I love you. I'll see you soon. Love you too. Happy twenty fifth. And send my love to richard and the kids. I will for sure iraq back up next week on behind the table sunny hostile and sherri shepherd talk about their experiences on the fear that day that i said when they asked me did i believe earth was rounder flat and i said i don't know but why would. Why was that a hot topic it was. We're my evolution. That day was worst day of my entire life and the best state that changed my life. I gotta tell you. Failure is not as long as you not. Did you get back up more next week behind. The table is produced by eighth. And getty and summer shake executive produced by brian data booking was overseen by todd bowles the executive producer of abc audio. Is liz lessee special. Thanks to josh. Go hand brenda salinas baker trevor hastings david toledo elizabeth russo. 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Wednesday Is Indigo Blue
"One Great Book Volume Three Book for Wednesday is Indigo Blue. Hey readers I'm Bogle and you're listening to one great book the short form podcast from the team behind. What should I read next where each week I pull one standout selection of my personal bookshelves until you all about it in ten minutes less readers when we began one great book. I knew I wanted to discuss nonfiction as well as fiction. I find that when it come to nonfiction so many readers delight in stumbling upon a nonfiction book that addresses the topic they didn't know they needed to know about say jellyfish or sidewalks wchs or late eighteenth century landscaping or mortgage backed securities. I love when an author can show the reader the significance of topic. They didn't know they were interested in didn't know they needed needed to know about and when that new understanding changes the way they see the world. My journey with today's Great Book Begins Back in my high school years when I had a friend who has signed me a color he said I was a shimmering shade of blue. I never quite grasped what he meant. By this despite my frequent too frequent I'm sure inquiries and it wasn't just me he had assigned a color to everyone he knew and when he was in a jocular mood he'd entertain our circle of friends by describing the individual colors a mutual acquaintances with incredible precision Asian. Our science teacher was a respectable forest green. The shade you'd see in an Eddie Bauer Catalog from the era in acquaintance with personality like Ers was unsurprisingly tinted. A saturated gotcha rated gray. My High School busty was a soft lavender. I thought my friend was playing an elaborate and to me amusing game. I love to hear him describe people's colors though though I wondered how he could remember which color he assigned to him but then fifteen years later I picked up a book by David Egan. I'd heard about on NPR it was called Incognito Nito. The secret lives of the brain. I was fascinated by the way he introduced certain questions of how are brains function like when you try to talk yourself into doing something who is doing talking and who are they talking to in the Book Ego and makes passing reference to a condition known as Cynthia and when I later heard echelman expound on it at an author events and it finally clicked my childhood friend. He wasn't playing games. His brain works in a way that was fundamentally different from my Egan's brief mention of since the pointed me toward his whole book about the subject he co written with Richard Saito Wick called Wednesday is indigo blue discovering the brain of since the this two thousand nine book provides intriguing deep dive into a subject didn't know I needed to know about this book changed the way I relate to others and colors the way understand some literature and to my way of thinking that that makes it one great book readers you. Oh you know you're an avid podcast listener when you have a show for each activity a thirty minute podcast cooking dinner a ten minute show for unloading the dishwasher a fifteen minute episode for walking the DOC around the block. If you need a longer show in order to complete your to do list or finish your commute or you just want a growing to be read list. You should be listening to what should I read next. I buy longer podcasts that answers the question that plagues every reader each week we talk all things books and reading and do a little literary matchmaking with one guest find. What what should I read next. Wherever you get your podcasts happy reading everyone Cynthia means joined sensation and for those who have it stimulation in one sense triggers another seemingly unrelated sensory experience some says the described this as sensory Blending Eagle minutes. I'll describe it as a fusion of different different sensory perceptions. The feel of sandpaper might have Okun F sharp the taste of chicken might be accompanied by a feeling of pinpoints the fingertips or symphony might be experienced and blues and Golts Cynthia like many matters of perception can be difficult to talk about with others some sense the fear that their perception of reality is strange and troubling troubling their experience somehow wrong but it's far more common for those with Senna Seige to assume that everyone experiences the world exactly as they do because they've never known reality eight to be any difference since is perfectly normal condition of the human brain but it is statistically unusual. It's generally believed that two to four percent of the population Asian experience some type of Cynthia and the condition tends to run in families. I do not have I wish I did but my daughter does. I say this confidently Bentley now but it took me years to suss out the explanations behind some of the puzzling things she sometimes said my concerns crystallized as she approached fourth grade she did not. I don't want to become a fourth grader but I couldn't figure out why after years of trying to assuage her reluctance to enter fourth grade she exclaimed one day and exasperation and four is bratty. It turns out that for her. That number had a personality so did all the other numbers. I wrote a blog post about how I finally piece it together. You can find it on modern Mrs Darcy. It's called when you completely misunderstand what's going on. I wish she'd gotten that trait from me. I'd love to experience Tuesday's Orange and eleven giggly like my daughter does since the takes many forms experiencing the days of the week is having colors is the most common manifestation which is one reason Wednesdays. Indigo blue is such an apt title colored numbers and letters are the next most common Russia novelist. Vladimir Nabokov was famous in the artists in fact are more likely to have it than the general population as a child. Nabokov told his mother that the colors there's on his toy alphabet blocks were all because she was too. She knew what he meant astute. Readers will cease anesthesia in Nabokov's work particularly way in his autobiography speak memory. They'll recognize it an e M forster's howards end and also in books for younger readers like Wendy Moss's a mango shaped space and RJ Anderson's ultraviolet in Wednesday is Indigo Blue Eagle men and Saito present hundreds of highly specific insights from individuals who have anesthesia so the reader can see myriad ways. The Census Co mingle in the brains of tenancies. The book does get SCIENC- In places but it's written for a general audience. The book contains numerous whereas illustrations portraying Howson is visualized the days of the week the monthly calendar the decades throughout history curious readers will enjoy pouring over these illustrations which echelman calls maps for this reason. You may want a paper version of this book or at least an IPAD version. I would miss out on a lot if I tried to read this on my kindle paper white right. My favorite nugget from the book is when the authors explained that many of the world's best memorisers of data like those can recite thousands of digits of Pi arsonists. Their brains do more than catalog along stream of numbers. Thanks to their Cynthia. They can remember a story. Each number has color shape and personality and stories are much easier to remember than abstract streams of data. Cynthia is one of those fascinating topics. I didn't realize I wanted to know everything about but it isn't just interesting for for its own sake. Oliver Sacks said that the works I to- ICK ECHELMAN present have changed the way we think of the human brain. The study of Cynthia is the study of perception in work demonstrates that reality is not just something out there that we take in but something that we each construct in our own minds in short if you're looking for a book that offers a fascinating look into a little explored aspect of the human mind that may change the way you understand yourself and the people around you that makes you marvel at the way our brains work and may even make you question your understanding of reality as you know it. Wednesday is indigo blue may be the next great book your looking for readers visit modern. Mrs Darcy Dot Com Slash one great book to learn more about Wednesday's in the blue and all of the great books in this volume volume and be sure you are subscribed in your favorite podcast player because I've got more great books. You won't want to miss. I love to hear what you think about all the titles. We've discussed on the show on twitter or instagram. You can find me there at an Bogle. That's an with an e. B is in books. Oh G. E. L. You can also find me on instagram. At what should I read next. I that's the title of my one our podcast the one perfect for your daily commute each week. I talked to one reader about their reading life and then I recommend three titles they should read next to get podcasts updates by email sign up for what should I read next podcast dot com slash newsletter where we share all our news and happenings including our new spotify by playlist of my favorite episodes thanks to kill him. Pekka check for his sound design on today's episode readers. That's it for this episode. Thanks so much for listening and as Rainer Maria Rilke said how good it is to be among people who are reading heavy reading everyone
Monday, March 23, 2020
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One more time simplisafe dot com slash. Lester breaking news tonight. The dire new warnings on the corona virus emergency general sounded the alarm about what's to come is. Us cases. Top forty thousand. I want America to understand this week. It's GONNA get bad. The World Health Organization saying the pandemic is accelerating more than one in three Americans now under stay at home orders but some beaches and attraction still packed has met crews scrubbing down Public Areas. And the growing pressure to postpone the Olympics of their countries refused to compete. Also tonight wear are the masks and protective gear. Desperate pleas on the front lines we are given one mascot day and we are using that mass throughout the day growing pressure on the trump administration to stop states from competing for supplies and late word tonight from president trump as the Senate fights over that nearly two trillion dollar rescue package that would send checks to Americans unemployment skyrocketing but a boom for delivery workers the risks they take to bring others food supplies the chiller you images from Europe patients lying on the floor as hospitals are overloaded. The alarming mental health toll on Americans the new ways to get help and what to watch out for the unusual new corona virus symptom this NBC nightly news with Leicester hold good evening. It is really hard to believe and frankly hard to accept the people we need most right now in. The face of this crisis are healthcare. Workers are most at risk because they're running out of the means to protect themselves the disconnect between what we're being told about supplies on the way and what is actually happening in. Ers is one of the many angles. Were exploring tonight. As far as the numbers no surprise there going up and they will say authorities unless all Americans except what's at stake and what we must do. We've got our team out covering it. All and Miguel Almaguer starts us off as the corona virus crisis deepens and the US government pleads for Americans to go home and stay home scenes like these are unfolding in cities across the country from canceled festivals to farmers markets and beaches and basketball courts. Many are ignoring the message to keep their social distance of at least six feet from one another. I want America to understand this week. It's GONNA get bad. The surgeon general. The nation's top doctor says this is exactly how the virus spreads. They're not enough people out there who are taking this seriously and you just see it looking in California people on the beach if you see it in Washington. Dc The people out looking at the Cherry blossoms. We need to take this seriously with a growing list of governors in well over a dozen states now ordering residents to avoid leaving their house. More than one hundred fifty million Americans are joining the more than one point. Five billion people globally told to stay inside the World Health Organization warned the pandemic is accelerating with more than three hundred thousand cases recorded worldwide. The sick now in nearly every country couldn't walk. I couldn't speak more than maybe one. To two words. Fiona Lowenstein a twenty six year old New Yorker is among the growing list of young Americans testing positive for the corona virus. Everyone was asking K. D. R. U. Auto Immune compromised. You know I am kind of the the picture of health in many ways and you know I'm still. I still got really hit by this very hard. As communities big and small scrambled to scrub and keep public spaces clean even iconic landmarks like Yosemite are closed indefinitely. The National Guard is providing support in all fifty states. Officials are now worried. Cities like New Orleans in states like Florida and Texas will be next to be hard hit by the virus. We don't have enough personal protection equipment. We don't have enough testing and collection equipment. We have the money for it but the supplies are not available for us to be able to purchase with our nation in crisis tonight. More countries are calling for the Tokyo Olympics to be postponed. The International Olympic Committee considering that option while more American athletes like track and field star. Eric Canard take a stand or athletes and fans to be safe. I think you know. Global Pandemic is definitely grounds for postponement. Tonight a call for the world and the nation to come together. Everyone doing their part by staying apart. Nbc News has confirmed for the first time in a twenty four hour period of more than one hundred Americans died from symptoms connected to the corona virus. The death toll in the US has now sort over five hundred. But Lester. It's important to keep in mind. The vast majority of Americans who get sick are not hospitalized. And don't ever need to see a doctor Lester. Almaguer starting US off tonight. Thanks to the deeply disturbing warnings for medical workers as hospitals ration masks gowns and goggles to their staffs some just days from running out and pleading for reinforcements. Here's NBC's Tom Castillo. With the covert nineteen pandemic crashing into emergency departments and ICU's nationwide and urgent plea from frontline doctors nurses and EMT's running low on personal protective equipment. Pp SEATTLE ICU. Nurse Bobbie Hob does and her co workers are now using just one mask all day and scared Carter scared or angry terrified under protected when she pleaded for help on facebook. The community dropped off two thousand masks at her front door San Diego. Icu nurse Shannon cotton says. Her Hospital has p. p. e. now under lock and key as a nurse at my patients. Having an emergency I need to be able to enter their room stat and help them and it's really frustrating. Because sometimes you wonder. Is there going to be an end? Ninety five mask snare. Their facial was a thousand beds. Going into New York's Javed's center. The mayor is warning New York City. Hospitals will run out of basic equipment within ten days. The governor says he's buying every mask and gown he can find worldwide but he's imploring the federal government to take over the medical supply allocation for all states. But this is not the way to do it. This is ad hoc. I'm competing with other states. I'm bidding up other states on the prices. The trump administration says it's sending palace gear to states in most need but the American Hospital Association warrants dwindling supplies and says even with an infusion of supplies from the strategic stockpile. There will not be enough medical supplies. We all know that eventually no matter. How much personal protective equipment? We are wearing the volume of patients. Were seeing the Er most of us in the healthcare workforce are GonNa get this Columbia University. Dr Derek CASS. Sent her kids to stay with family before seeing her first. Kobe patient now. She has tested positive. Each justify the theory that I have. I was going to be the personnel. It's new infect my family tonight. Major non-medical companies are stepping in to help apple and facebook donating millions of masks. Hanes going from making underwear to surgical masks Ford. Gm and Tesla say they'll start producing ventilators though engineers worn an FDA approved a later that pumps oxygen to the lungs while removing carbon dioxide is an extremely precise and complex piece of equipment with software and many moving parts. Meanwhile another drug trial starts tomorrow. Taking plasma from people who've had the virus removing the ANTIBODIES THAN INJECTING. Those antibodies into a sick patient hoping to stimulate their immune system researchers believe that holds. Promise Lester let's hope all the supplies get to where they belong all right. Tom Castillo thank you. And as Congress debates a massive stimulus package to stop the economic freefall millions. More workers are expected to file for unemployment benefits this week. Our gave Gutierrez is here in New York. Where more businesses were forced to shut down today turning? His lights often closing his doors. Last week was the hardest. Things Dan Koch has ever done this hard stuff. These are people that are depending on me to sell their merchandise. And we're going to be closed. A store on. New York's upper west side has been in his family for four generations. It's now among the many empty small businesses across the country in dire straits as lawmakers debate. The stimulus plan. What do you make of it? I think it's very hard to figure out how this bill is. GonNa trickle down to help people like myself today a lifeline. He learned his credit card. Company would postpone is next payment until next month allowing him to keep paying workers but nationwide unemployment claims are expected to soar this week into the millions in just one day last week. New Jersey says a record fifteen thousand claims crash. The state's online system outside Seattle Haley. Berman just filed front employment for the first time after the dental practice. Where she worked was forced to close. She's seven months pregnant and her fiance owns a small business worried about our life together. That's going to look like in the future for her child. And now you know on top of everything. Another concern is having to change my birth references the small fishing town of born-again light. New Jersey is already taking a huge hit when restaurants go dark. It's livelihood dries up the seafood industry in the in this country. It's a big industry and it. It may need some attention. Ill need help. It will need financial support. There has never been such a sudden spike in unemployment claims leaving cities big and small wondering. What's next Lester all right? Gabe and this of course is why people are turning to their leaders turning to Washington. So we want to go and look at that bitter fight on Capitol Hill. The Senate still deadlocked tonight as Americans and American businesses wait desperately for emergency funding Peter Alexander now with the latest tonight. Senators still clashing over that. Massive relief package designed to rescue the paralyzed. Economy including sending checks to millions of Americans Senate Democrats again today blocking the nearly two trillion dollar emergency Bill Republicans accusing them of trying to squeeze in items that are unrelated to the crisis. They're filibustering hospital funding and more mask because they want to argue with the airlines over their carbon footprint. Country is burning and your side wants to play political games Democrats complaining. The bill does too little for workers and too much for corporations including a four hundred twenty five billion dollar Treasury Department Fund. They say without enough oversight bills still includes something that most Americans don't WanNa see large corporate bailouts with no no strings attached. Also tonight questions about how one senator has responded to the virus. Rand Paul of physician after testing positive now under fire for meeting with Senate colleagues and using the Senate Jim while awaiting his test results Arizona's Kirstin cinema blasting at his irresponsible. Paul who says he's shown no symptoms insisting he went beyond current guidelines saying it was my extra precaution that led me to get tested and tonight the president is hinting. He might scale back those tight restrictions put in place to stop the spread of the virus after the CDC's fifteen day guidelines expire. America will again and soon be open for business very soon a lot. Sooner than three or four months we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. While health officials warn. It'll take longer than fifteen days to have an impact administration officials tell us the president and his advisors are anxious to restart parts of the economy. Lester Peter Alexander thank you. We'll be right back in sixty seconds with those on the risky frontlines moving our food and other vital supplies is it safe in the growing mental health toll on Americans. The new ways to cope the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. Twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast hey everyone is mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America featuring the journalist of NBC News in our latest episode. We're heading into the intersection of politics. And a pandemic to understand how the spread of Corona Virus is changing the twenty twenty primary season. We'll hear from the Louisiana Secretary of State about his decision to postpone the state's primary and find out what it means for voters were planning to go to the polls nearest so many factors at play right now and I think that coming in November people are going to be voting not for a person but forced to build a search for into America. Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe the UK late. Today became the latest European country to impose a national locked out as the virus ravages other countries that have ruled out similar drastic measures. Here's Richard Angle. You don't want to be sick in Spain tonight. Patients Line Hallway floors in hospitals of course Inari tale of how Kobe nineteenth can quickly overwhelm even modern healthcare systems. The death toll here now over two thousand but hints of a brighter future in hard hit Italy for the second day. The death toll is going down still around six hundred today but the situation remains dire. Nbc's Matt Bradley is in Rome. It's been a devastating weekend here in Italy. Ambulances keep coming the medics in full protective gear in China where the virus I broke out. A different threat re contagion. The country says it has no new domestic cases but now fears. It could get a second wave from the outside. So it's diverting all passengers to Beijing to screening centers I spoke to a virologist leading the charge to develop a vaccine who says progress is being made but cautions and untested vaccine could be more dangerous than the corona virus so the evidence is coming together suggesting that virus can change in their different lineages. That have different disease or more serious disease. Causing effects is that why we're seeing such different death tolls probably one of the factors Richard Engel. Nbc News London. Back as economic impact of all this grow some businesses. Believe it or not are hiring but the jobs potentially put the health of workers at risk. Let's get more now from Joe. Lincoln with unemployment claim surging. There is one bright spot on the job front tonight. Grocery stores online retailers and delivery companies are hiring. Cvs adding fifty thousand new jobs and paying out bonuses. Insta- car the Grocery Delivery Company hiring three hundred thousand people and Walmart adding one hundred fifty thousand new workers all of them joining a new frontline in this unprecedented fight to keep America's supply chain running including thousands of truck drivers desperate to stay healthy and on the road. Like de Sova. Who talked with us from Little Rock? Arkansas where she was picking up a load of beef. Her hand sanitizer almost gone. We have not been able to find any anywhere. What's it been like out on the road? It has been absolutely unnerving especially when you have to go and shop in grocery stores and you know to supply your truck and you're around people. There's a lot of people walking around like this is not happening. That part is scary for me. Silva is social distancing by staying inside truck as much as possible is so important for drivers right now to if they have the ability to cook on their truck adding to the stress for drivers. Fewer restaurants are open and Silva told US consumers are doing too much panic. Buying on behalf of American truckers slowed down people. Just get enough for a few days for your family. Another truck is coming we're coming. The truckers are coming people. She also tells me since she does not have protective gear. She's wearing a Bandanna to cover her face. Laster alright. Joanne can't thanks. We're all feeling stress right down for people dealing with mental health issues especially challenging. Nbc's Kate Snow Now with ways to cope twenty five year old. Mason Specter is sheltering in his apartment in Los Angeles. He Co founded the label mad happy borne out of his own struggles with depression anxiety and addiction. Which is managed for years? We direct a statewide order for people to stay at home. But when California's governor announced the shelter in place order last Thursday. Mason had a panic attack. Definitely feel some of my just those kinds of bad feelings. Kind of blake bad thoughts start to creep in a little bit. I think really traumat- take it day by day. Your mind can go. Worst case scenarios right. Yeah totally I think like for me. It's like my mind is almost Worst enemy at times. This is kind of like personal nightmare for people with obsessive compulsive disorder who fought to overcome irrational fears of getting sick. Corona virus is a particular challenge my biggest fear when all this is over is that the world is going to start to move on. And I'm going to be stock with Wis. these compulsions. There are ways to get help using telemedicine programs to connect with therapists and just the act of reaching out to others can be therapeutic to we need to oftentimes take the focus off ourselves because that creates more anxiety depression and put it on other people in terms of how other people feel. And how can we support other people? Tom Voss was diagnosed with. Ptsd after serving in Iraq. He's making a concerted effort to reach out to other veterans who say their anxiety is high birds to deal with the war physically. Go to but people coming online. I really just think it's important that everyone feels no shame or judgement about how they're feeling to the people that you love talks to the people that you trust and just make sure that whatever you're feeling inside you're getting it out. Somehow Kate Snow. Nbc News New York Next. The unusual new corona virus symptom welcome back now to way. Possible New Corona virus symptom that is beginning to reveal itself. Our medical correspondent. Dr John Torres joins us. Now John Tell us about these reports were hearing of people losing their sense of smell and taste lesser corona viruses a respiratory virus invades your nose and throat so it can interfere with the special nerve receptors signals smelt your brain and once you lose your sense of smell you can also lose your sense of taste. The major concern is that in some patients. This might be the only symptom so if you suddenly lose your sense of smell and don't have allergies. That's a red flag. Call your doctor. You'll likely need to self isolate for fourteen days so you don't spread it to others. The good news is we're hearing patients recover. They regain their senses quickly in just a few days or weeks all right. That's good to hear Dr John. Thanks so much up next tonight. Best friends no distancing required finally for man's best friend the best days ever. Here's Joe Fryer to humans. It's called social distancing but for pets. This is the antithesis of distance. More time at home means more time cuddling up with these guys. Loyal friends temporary office assistance. Who could never be kept six feet away. In fact many families are taking advantage of their home bound status by adopting or fostering pets. Some shelters have cleared out. Well the ASPCA has seen foster care. Increased by seventy percent in New York and La is one means suggest people may call this the worst year in the history of our lives but for dogs. What time to be alive? You will ever more more. Playtime more moments simply lounging around as Corentin. It's hard to know if they know what's going on. But it's safe to say right now. Humans and pets are bringing each other much needed joy. Joe FRYER NBC News. Our Best Buddies. That's NBC nightly news. Lester Holt for all of us. Thank you for watching take care.
The Power of Pause with Danielle North
"Hello and welcome back to the play by play. 'cause I'm joined today by Danielle Nov Author and founder of course coaching Retreats Shops. Busy people on the brink of burnout. Danielle has a long history as a successful executive coach in the corporate industry working with top level executives at companies such as HSBC MCKENZIE. You need an SAP. Often that goals and ambitions could be just as heartland successfully achieve when simply allowing the body and mind pose. She Nas of course our clients to flow rather than fight against the ups and downs of life. On today's episode Daniel Shares. The way cool she experienced that told polls why so. Many of us are experiencing burnout. Why pausing is such an important thing to do and how to do it. I'm so excited to share this episode between. Let's bring on the wonderful tongue out Danielle. Welcome to the pool cost. It's my pleasure to be here. It is a very weird. Timing is living currently end just the beginning of locks on in the UK with current virus recording ness a resume which is probably wouldn't waste fantastic Using it to house parties dinner posses Tuxedo each other. So fantastic way of connecting people on a great way to record podcasts while Donna L. U. S. when I met quite recently unfit enough with everything that you do and I'm really really excited to be Chinese today about banner taking a pause because probably more than wiggle being forced to take a pause all of us but for many of us and I think oh be really interesting to chat to you or the ballot sets survive surreal situations when on a global scale for many people. Life is pressing the pause. Button the moment absolutely and you began this shiny into. Would you call it personal wellbeing? I'm not sure what way you categorize it through your own Johnny of Ban Out. I'd love to hear a little bit about what by now eggs. Yeah I did About eight years ago I suppose now I had my experience of burnouts and at the time. It wasn't something that I'd Hud bounce not something that was in the medical profession particularly in fact any very recently the World Health Organization has classified burner as a syndrome so they say it results from chronic workplace stress and that it has three dimensions to it say one is feeling depleted or exhausted a mental distance from your job Oud Phoenix's negativities cynicism relating to your job and which is professional efficiency in. Say It's very interesting that the World Health Organization are looking at burn up sheerly as a workplace syndrome which was my experience but I think the other people listening in my experience the symptoms beyond the workplace. Say That was my beginning of this journey. Of course really was that I had an experience with announce go curious about it in my recovery really has to. Was IT. Just me with other people having this experience and given the I've been wacky with P. Who for most of my life? I was then ingested take a different direction in that way can see. How could we support people who with this passive experiences because when I talk to people about burning out people look at it through the lens of that terrible thing and the honest? It wasn't present experience too but the learning that I got from that experience in the transformation came from experience was completely life-changing. And that's part of my interest. Really is the. How do we use? The sorts of experiences really reconnect to Hugh ERS individuals. Absolutely so how can become a mind? I think that's probably the question that we always have you know. I'm stressed and overwhelmed. My mind disgracing more the tools and techniques. That you use passing into ease on your client the people you're speaking to to help calm your mind. I think more more people are becoming aware of the fact that their minds are racing. A lot of the time. I like to look at this. Not just as the mind but as a mind body spirit or emotional connection with system and all the pieces of the system of connected so if we The says the mind. I think we miss the opportunity. T- connect- whole of our systems in our approach. So I liked that too in the parts of assault and from that point of view. I often think that a busy mind is linked to a feeling disconnected from the body from our nation's so one of the best things that I can recommend to the people I work with people. Listening in is actually breezing. Breathing does is it begins to unite the mind to the body back to the emotional systems. Breath is a very powerful tool. There are many different ways breathing beyond the automative breathing that we D- naturally where we can emphasize particular types of brass. Brass is really good for managing. Your mind is a deep inhale in through the nays that goes all the way down into the Tummy on where the air is released out for your mouth is who missile. Ugandan t steam. The bathroom Miron won't the X. Heo to be very deliberate city. Inhale Ray deep in the ex. How long and slain deliberate and that's really nice way of practicing managing the mind three the breath because what that does is it helps to shift the central nervous system so we me from the flight and fight position where we can feel quite tie intense and alert and we can move into the rest and digest when we do this kind of breathing and if that's practiced on a regular basis throughout the day. That could really helped settle the mind their thoughts about the tools. Meditation is a really helpful tool but I find some people to start with when their minds. Very busy ready. Meditation doesn't emphasize it. But it shows you. What's really there and that can be a bit confronting say if he did have a busy mind. I would say. Starting to meditate is really helpful thing and be a K. With the fact that you mind is busy when you're meditating. It doesn't mean you doing wrong. I've been meditating for a while and even on the days where I'm really struggling low on I find meditation so hot. It's like in cushing against sensitive thick. Mods I'm trying to get through you know I think that kind of the hottest times but it will say like the Times you need it. The most Anna is worth it in the end. I think sometimes as this commentary that like meditation is about not thinking or it's it's who these things detention deep people come up again soon they feel like a during Rome. 'cause it's kind of interesting practice. The I guess East Easter things being right or wrong with meditation many half-days Boundaries Current. Yeah absolutely. I think it's unhelpful. Common cheap people to think that if they've got so cinema lines that they're not meditating. The very act sitting in being with yourself in that intention way so beneficial. Yes you'll mind may be busy. And it's really likely that it will be spe- honest the realms of the quiet mind I think the the most is he been practicing the perhaps majority of their lives the rest of the coat with the fact that it's a bit noisy there and that say hey. There's a lovely meditation. I suggest people who beginning which we could be meditation where you pace. You festive fingers of your is in place. Your thumbs in is you. Take a deep inhale in on the X. Tail than that ten times inhaling annex hailing with what that does is by covering your is increasing. Your is it takes out the census of sight in the sound which can be distractions for the mind and then it will say enables the mind to have a focus. Would I was to imitation? Is the mind likes to fully something. So we do this. Beam Meditations we gives the mind something to follow. Which is the humming. The vibration of the humming itself is very settling to the central nervous system and ten breaths takes about a minute. It's really even if you add another minute to take the time to go and sit down and get comfortable. It's not much time to this impression or image that you have to sit with the meditation. That twenty minutes in the coming in Tom Thing is. It's a great practice but for people he won't something Practical in their day to day life this is a lovely on absolutely yet can be quite intimidating. Fell like the general conversation. Is that businesses this project on the People Avenue. It's like how busy the. How can we change the narcissist ground on the belief that being busy and being successful all the same thing too lovely question and I think we have these things complicates in our lives and I think that that's being because we've been to the successes about will achieve an achievement is about out and therefore out equals being busy? So that's how it's ingrained into the psyche that disease and I think what's available free to buses opportunity to redefine what success means for ourselves to be able to think about success from the inner world. Not just the our to our old. I'm what makes you happy? It's usually very very simple. Things that create deep sense of ease in well-being in people that we move away from doing these very simple things because we're focused on being busy in the outcome and the goal so he tastes something rather than come back t he remitted will be renamed so interesting. I'm what do you think we can start today to unpick this? This is the narrative that we play in all lives but also friends and family that surround us how can we sort of rewire unchanged this narrative within thousand others at the moment who missed on a global scale? We've Pechiney to the coors right now. Say I would say that's not chief every put. There are some people who are not pools at this time. But today's he can than I would say very intentional about this time however show too long it's B. Find a way to really be with yourself doing this experience to connect to asking yourself questions about what does really matter to me now. Does bring me happiness. But would I like my life to really be about so space like this space that Poos provides can feel very confronting but if we can sink into that space begin understand that we don't have to have the focus on the out too well just Made that transitions Lena. Wealth than we can really start to awesome of the big questions that often not busy to consider. He can do that individually. And if you're home with your family you can do that. Collected these families while could provide a chance. Some really rich conversation. I think the simple is whose predecessor of the polls because name talked about hair in that but I'd love to break down. Yeah so it's a great question and I had to think about this when I was preparing for this would is coors. I like to think about poos as a say it's Ikea way can could fool stockton a sentence safe. You mentioned that your life is going along. And it's lots of sentences that food paragraph end within that lesnie food stopes than it would be quite hard to read. Make sense of your life can read the paragraph very easily. So the pauses graph. It's that full. Stop Pin the sentence that allows you to step back from Ayman and concentrating consider the journey that you're on and how is it going for you and `Athens as you want them to be so it's like brass really that's how I think about coors now? Sometimes what can happen? Is that because we're running speed in on hives. The pace is say intense for many people. Sometimes life has to intervene. And give us a pause. That was certainly my experience. Been out that I wasn't head to put that full. Stop Pin S- eventually. That's what life did for me. And I think that that's perhaps what we're experiencing to some extent the millions grape who pools say. Let me think about WHO's imposing can be guy shows. It can be moment to moment being conscious in your everyday life. It can be longer say could be an hour. A half a day could be longer again. It could be a retreat to experience. That might be for a couple of days or five days longer than that. So they're different lengths of poses and depending on the length of your pores the source of things that would happen would be eager to slow down so you give yourself permission to stop the he become more self aware. So you deepen your understanding of yourself become still inside each as well as on the outside become still on the inside. Say as talking about connecting with your mind body and spirit and as a result you begin to enhance your energy. It's quite an interesting thing with pools. Is that the Inject pausing in everyday life the movie could call today your energy and then there are rhythms virtues that can then support the Suppose to these rhythms rituals lead like they can be different. I think for each pass certain but I think there's some fundamental things that can really help people who say you feed with them could be something to really pay attention to say. I was talking to my my neighbor. This can you sing. I'm having three meals a day at the moment is on lockdown and he's having three means day and I'm thinking can stay that oversee no 'cause he's collecting excited about the fact that having three news day say one of the basic rhythms can be eating. Say Making sure you have your breakfast dinner new launch whatever that is for Union Day and to have a similar time each day. Say you body understand you being sustained and Walnut? Should I recommend waking up at the same time gained bed at the same time as one of the rhythms? Say just allowing your body to be in whatever you will naturally amid some people wake up later. Some people like to get better earlier. Whatever that might be feel south say these two fundamental move ins and then things like practices in rituals so that can be things like body scanning breathing meditation things that year ago or gong rituals that can help P. T. enhance your energy. Cultivate your energy. It can be practices journaling and the thing that allows you to go from the outside world into the in a wild essentially. Some people might do that. Three reading were three creating art so there are many different ways that these practices can be used. It does depend a little bit on who the Palestinians entrusts saw. Of course I guess what works for you as well. Yeah multi enjoy doing reduc. Boys enjoy meditations and example. We sit with that. But some of the other She likes to do something that might be really fun. Something enjoying something. You won't see give you energy in your attention. Tci really enjoy writing. But that's isn't something. I may some of my friends enjoy so they would have a different practice. Maybe that's cooking oil. Finish something more physical Matt Running. It depends on what you in nature. Israeli. Absolutely what would you say the warning signs are the? Potentially you need to take a break and you need a pools and if say our loved ones aw showing their signs a we are. How can nudge them nudge? Ourselves into taking this time and I can talk about the symptoms. I had myself and then I'll talk about a couple of the things that mine. Experience with the ahead chronic exhaustion with. I'm not entirely sure I was aware at the time looking back. I can see it but at the time. I was existing an disconnect time speaking about earlier with the busy mind. I wasn't entirely aware of what was happening him. My spiel next tired wide. Say That feeling where you put these jittery in its own. Means that you exhausted the ECON- fall asleep it's a lot of adrenaline running through the system. Say I would find that. I couldn't bed even though I was dragging myself three day. Going to bed is actually quite difficult. Say That was a sign of combat. I actually had thyroid problems. Which diagnosed during that time they will mild say it was possible to recruit them with feed in with herbs. That was a simpson. Move My adrenal burnout. I found stress levels are really high. The simple everyday things became an overwhelming say. It was like I had an inability to carry tonight. I think I pride myself from being somebody who's pretty strong that some of the basics of everyday life became difficult was quite difficult to contain my mission. Cy Families of crying tonight Macara. That's you I am but I mean I quite a lot like mainstays who based today. That was definitely a sign and then I had this brain fog. I couldn't really see clearly. I remember driving around the city one day and I a hours and hours now is around. The city wasn't a city I NI. Couldn't find my way out of the city. I was completely unable to read the road. Signs and navigate out of the team. My brain wouldn't function in that way anymore. Things like being dissed excessively busy and really feeling disconnected. It was I. I was in this sort of bubble and couldn't really connect with other people with myself. Say these are some of the things I need to be aware over time but required hard for me to see. The part of your question was. How do we tell other people? Is that what you were saying? Noticing that someone else is pushing themselves to bring. Well how can we do it gently to say you know? I think maybe need to take a pause because I think sometimes when you're in the zone in a new one lights being told what to do but obviously we want to help the people that we love you absolutely i. I remember at the time. Several people who've Express that kind of concern for me was saying Danielle worried about e what is going on and I'm concerned and I. I just brushed it off. I didn't know they were referring to. I couldn't make sense of it. Partly because I was really driven he achieve a particular outcome and I was enjoying it so it was quite hard to hear this message because I really wanted to do the things I was doing so I think you would. Gentle is really important to be checking in like Harry feeling tired than usual Hey these things but I would say take it past me. Thefts brushed off. I think people need to go through to some extent lorraine experience and come to their in realizations and that might mean that you need be for the Manetti fool and the help them. Put the pieces back together again. Afterwards without the I told you say which would be really helpful lately. A lot of what? We're talking about with pause an an especially right now. The current climate is about spending time in solitude and responding time introspectively huckabee maintain connection while spending time alone. I'm having not break in the polls. I think there was three things. I've been contemplating about connection during this enforced. Who's and one is that we can connect deeply toss ourselves which is in a big message. I'm sharing with poor say older things I've been talking about. Stay the journaling. The body scanning breathing the meditation. The connection to ourselves is probably the biggest gift that we vailable here from this particular situation a little bit more limited but really really important at this time is our connection to nature so as we recording. We are in a position where we're allowed to exercise warm today. I would really encourage people wherever they can to get outside as long as they can do that. With the safe social distancing measures and use that time to connect to nature really feel your feet on the ground really connect with the sky filled breeze on your face. Look at the light coming through. The trees be really connected to make sure right now. Because this will allow a greater sense of belonging that human beings reading need to feel the sense of belonging often going to work creates a sense of belonging. But at the moment we need to find other ways to gain that sense of looming in nature is ever present even if it's stand by a pin windy and take a good breath area and if that's available then just being really conscious connecting to nature this time more say than ever and then the third one is one say the technology. Madelynn at the beginning of the cool. And Nee how wonderful that we are in a time that we can stay globally connected with the people he met to to Austin being able to schedule Regula time with these people. Often say busy in a rely. Are you know I'll see you in six weeks time or something like that and now you can say well? Why didn't we hang out regularly new idea? We could regular time to connect and we say I'm lucky. The MAYAGUEZ CEDO been able to that cost his online safe. I'm still feeding. I can connect in to some of the places that I would normally go in some of the people. He provides some of that structure and support in my life that that's still accessible in available to us three technology which is a wonderful thing is so nice that we have Very grateful for the amount of time off. We need varies person to person. Do you feel like some people. Need more downtime than others. Nisa great question and I think the answer is yes and I was reflecting on it. From the point of view o hear a lot about people being extroverted rindge averted and sometimes that gets undestood as in the center of the Party or somebody he likes to be by yourself but often what these things mean is where you get your energy formal. How you lease your energy say people extroverted gain their energy from being around people and people here into that lease their energy from being around people so I think that in itself means that the time off as it were the time away from other people for Inter vets is often greater a greater requirements. And we might see. At the moment that people are naturally extroverted. Might find some of this self-isolation Achy more challenging and more confronting than the people who more into the idea. I think it varies for us. And then it does say depend in canoe constitution on your natural energy. You booting say I'd really encourage people to pay close attention. The energy levels to be observing three Dane. How is my energy a not to just go with the crowd and seem that you should have the same amount of energy as everybody else but to really fully yourself with this constantly? In a dream world everything would be super balanced and consistent all the time but not really. That are busier waves in times. Where is really ready? Intense go home. Life is really intense. What can we do to embrace? Those busy periods may touchy set boundaries. How can we stop burnout happening during these busy times with nature? Nature's naturally with the cool say nature have times when she's really bursting forth pushing through and putting a lot of energy out into loud. And then there's other times where she's retracting withdrawing going inwards and I think he's quite wise to fully the idea from nature that we will be pushing forward and then pulling back times and I think in times when things are not as intensive where we do have that opportunity to retract to the THA. That's why the practices really really matter. Say being able t t regular practices when it's quieter and calmer and less intense is what prepares he for the Times that you need to push forward more and be more creative exert more energy. Say That you're doing that from an empty tank or from an Empty Cup. Say I think he's very very normal. That things moving cycles and prepare by doing the practices. How silly I actually volatile bet. I think in light a day. Ot days any way. Fantastic night confident. Enough pools books name on you talking about a few different areas of how to use intuition guy hotties nature and creativity and I would love to took little bit about this new towards about connecting with nature to feel more connected. But maybe we took about easing your intuition as a guide in creativity as well because I think sometimes people don't know how to get into that state of connection. I think these are great avenues to do it and in your book. Evil of practical advice on how to take actions which I think really get to. Maybe we could give some of a wonderful listeners. Afi take actions especially that missing to as most people do in within the first day of Coming out a few sort of take homes. They can start doing to connect intuition using nature in creativity for connection as well. Yeah absolutely. Now's the time missing it. From a point of view I look at things. Kasit of connected triangles. So we say that. Nate to hold the the spirit guide. Chievo creativity fires units these three points of the triangle that form the foundation of pause really be spoken about nature already or they one of the things that I was just thinking about. She was talking with nature's it could be really nice time if you're in a position to do this to be going out at night maybe two sitting renew do stack who in your garden on your balcony if you have that kind of space and looking at the stars nine nine. That's not thanked. Be Possible for some people from areas because of light pollution but way you are in an area with install less than sometimes. I think we shut up the house in the evening. We get crazy. We forget that nature still outside to get a blanket and something nice naked recipe you madelene is concocted for thing outside and I'm really taking the night sky because it's just a really tremendous way to connect to something bigger than ourselves at this time to watch the constellations and to see them me into Midi plug into nature at night. Times are so that was just a thought. I had retaken tuition. I think people often struggle a bit with intuition because the nature of it is that it's not logical in it doesn't always make sense to people say one of the things that I talk about is people who to start to nate. Perhaps the randomness of the sensations will be messages. They might hear inside of themselves. Say just beginning to pay attention chee perhaps of WED comes into your mind to a memory that comes up for you own an image or color and rather than pushing it away at the main is just to get curious about it too sat me. Why is that here? The moment we begin see us curiosity to engage with our intuition and begin to trust it and learn to respect. The messages are intuition gives to us. Even though at times it doesn't make any logical sense. A Tutu. The train other things that can help you develop your intuition something that I took about often die cool white space. The white spaces this time. Whether's nothing planned in San even the we have this pose opportunity. The moment I suspect for many people particularly schooling children at the moment in working from home they will days still going to be quite full particularly in the week. He might find that you'll still quite back to back with lots of activities to white spaces. Time that you give to a southway Dean thing. This is not time where you reading watching something or scrolling or nine Ding. Because it's not that it's timeless. She nothing happening where you can. Just sit with yourself and that can be a bit confronting people but that's a really good way to start chain into intuition into listen to some of these interesting things that might come up from inside. If he that you wouldn't know me pay attention to say the sensations feedings the images words. The memories white space creates an opportunity for some of these tea. Start to reveal themselves what I would say spend meditation. It's a practice. And if you're sitting there and you're thinking nothing's happening let's just keep in keep practicing into. We begin tonight to unite and then creativity. I think the other aspect of people could really play with the moment they wanted. T is enhancing the time they spend on creative endeavors. I've got a younger sister and she just sent me a lovely fighters embroidery that. She's doing hyman. She said. I'm loving this poor me and she's just made some really beautiful art. Say how to week a back to some of these simplisafe things in a drawing and coloring and painting and creating making a hands can get involved with the Hawks can get involved with the two need us to go. Anywhere will be anywhere other than where we are. Absolutely you know I I. It's like cool like during every day and they sat like something to draw and break it down of like how to jurors on another one on like different kinds of puzzles each day which has been really nice just as like during something kind of using your brain to do each day. I think they're out. She challenging absolutely I so I think it was on the BBC news last night. Actually that there's somebody he's doing innovate P. classes Online at the minute who so art classes online. I thought I had quite lights and plan how to because have so much chest to remind mind. That's creative I think drew like take spur in Hugh News who we are really unless we give these things a try in an explore the limitless or few we are as human beings one hundred percent. I think I have a similar chastity. I definitely still have my art teachers. Sit of voice in my head when she told me it wasn't lots because there wasn't enough but I really think that we constantly tell us house that we have to be good. You know if we talked class we have to produce something good at the end but like if we're just doing this as a form of relaxation or creativity we're not trying to become an office job. Does it really matter? I feel like needs to be the narrative we need to change in telesales and project to the people is that like things can just be done for fun and for like the experience rather than the outcome for the love of it to Joyal For the pure pleasurable new focusing on outcomes can tie signal sometimes mixed colors and see what happens in lifts and hang on the paper and see you discover absolutely. I'm really intrigued to know what you pose practices. Aw The new daily Busa throughout the air mine might sound slightly strange. Let's go there right. 'cause it's I d say one of the things I D is. I write down my dreams when I wake up. Say That's one of my whose practices. I'm very interested in the way which the dream can direct. Mike experience of my life inherit can fool me and communicate with me. It's an incredibly powerful to said. That's one of my practices in a lot of the other practices all part of my life in order to help me stay connected to the dream actually because I value at say much. I find it so imports from another practice. Which is going to sound weird. I realize that it's actually gone technique. Sigo news a fool of moving. Meditation is probably the best way I can describe it. And sometimes standing meditation that is perhaps similar to Taichi. That might be the closest thing that people might be familiar to as poss- practice you can have a Bambi stick when it's lost sticks together very fine bamboo sticks and yeast. This brush is they could be brushed. T- tap your body say every morning I use. The spam be brushed attack my body and it does a couple of things. It strengthens the immune system. Because as you hit the bones as the stick is hitting the bane it not smoked by Mary which enables the immune system to keep functioning. How it Around in the body and you approve a lot of fluids in the Bodine lymph is one of the major fluids keeps the lymph moving which helps keep detoxifying the body and it's like taking. I haven't drunk coffee for years but it's like having a double express say it kind of wakes you can give see this real. Anna jets it exist. If you like vitality in your body say I do the Bambi brushing in the morning and meditation? These tweeted key practices that I don't like to negotiate. Wow that is so who I like. Lots of people have very similar was routine and is really nice to hand such different one so interesting. I'm fascinated by dreams I can. I didn't write them down but I'd like to go slack to Telling me it might be like something from television I defend interesting and I've never had about the top paying but I did due to gun when I lived in Australia a real time because I can't find a place to do it and it was the place I could find. It says that the eight-year-olds teach together like four dollars for a and it was also had and really to be on its Lighten me think. Let's find something lake around tag. It's I think it's a wonderful She something I might stop to on the point of the dreams really amazing that you entrusted in them and stay connected to them and as she continue to explore the dream if he right. The Dow new see the dreams former story. It's like a constant book some folding so it's really interesting to write them down and indicate looking back at the unfolding story information and brush. I described the Bambi Brush. He can replicate that without easing the brush by creating a fist in your hand in tapping the body which you might have done some of that in the chicken practice and these things are available online on Youtube. Say It's not even essential now to find somebody practices likely we can really get so many great resources online and and the tapping the brushing and all available renew cheap with them and the Let. How can we balance technology? And meanwhile because he's amazing it's enabling us to have this? Incredible conversation enables us to look up to go hang. Experience that made up part of our lives equity. It's something that can be. Addictive concludes comparison. It so how do you? Balance Technology? And. How can you teach your class and other people to live in a more balanced way? Because I think it is an important thing that we're trying to navigate. It's tough question. Isn't it in this era in going to be even tougher? Aw our youngsters coming through. I think. Say the balance between technology living. Well I think hums by putting the emphasis on living while festival say issue just describing that same many amazingly positive ways in which we can use technology a physician using it for good and for these benefits. You asked about me. Pass the I attempt to but don't way succeed. This have a window the day that is technology based on windows are technology. Free say I prefer not to any technology on usually until about ten A. M. might snuffing gets turned off completely not just At playmate completely turned off at night an I attempt attempt because noise successful not switch own again into before ten. Am I limit the amount of news? The I watch I feel at the moment is important to be aware of. What's going on so I am watching the evening news but apart from that limit. How Much News Annandale trying I think mindful of what we're consuming and how we feel about what we're conceiving. Ming say constance quoting three social media. If that is raising your anxiety lose with that is creating the comparisons that you talking about. I think we do need take pass. No responsibility and babe disciplined in say at she. I'm going to be something more healthy for myself. The challenge is designed spirited is designed to give us a dopamine hit and that is highly highly addictive in some ways we have to kind of break the habit and the more we can do that then the more week in. Kasane living well and making a priority in not an easy one. I really appreciate at Oxley. Yeah an inner so much for Jobs Ron Online and the way we cannot with our friends and family is through a too. I think it's a tricky to navigate with Tulleson about taking big opposes but you also talk about micro pauses. So this is maybe something that people can be doing. Daily or weekly or monthly. What would you consider a micro pause says yeah we designed the Mike reposes for exactly that reason that not everybody can attend a longer retrea. It's always possible financially. Because of their responsibilities people have inefficient many reasons. Miho sages fill a bit daunting to go on a retreat. Say What we wanted to do was keep pool plenty of opportunities to weave poles into their everyday life because she is probably not that healthy to stewart largest to deal with when you go on a retreat it's we've pulled into your everyday life with my philosophy on that say micro poses are normally between two and five minutes long and national practices that can help e to take breaths lay down. We connect with yourself if something might be breathing. I was talking about earlier is designed as a might creep. Who's it takes a couple of minutes? It has a very powerful effect on the central nervous system. The deep inhalation and acceleration. I was describing right at the start. That's another might create pools people can weave in when I was talking about being in nature. Really feeling you connection to the US in the sky and the breeze that might cripple. You'll just allow all of your senses to get engaged with your experience so there are many of these little bit crude pose every day which has lots of practices in it. That design to just quit. He pulled with they show to experiences in tools. What does that mean? T- lovely crashed in Iras reflecting on. What does it mean and and I think it raining means coming back to your tree south coming to the essence of he really makes you feel fulfilled in happy. I think when we can connect to achieve so stan we naturally have flat grey absolutely Donald. Thank you so much coming on the podcast. You have amazing pose retreats and books as well as the anything else you'd to show with on this about how to connect with you or other things going on. Yeah I mean people can find US online at Post grey-blue we've beautiful treats all around. The world will receive taking a short pause at the moment. He waits to run similar traits. That will certainly be back by at the end of Twenty One and twenty twenty one. We one day workshops could instant poos and we have lots of Mike Cripples content. People can tugging see. I usually Sundays out via my email. Lists people can just take a breath lay down. We connect absolutely thank you so much coming on the podcast. Thanks for having me fantastic episodes. She really had so many wonderful wall. Actionable Advice Daphne. Taking on that breathing technique and really trying teammate. The most old this quite challenging time to have a pause and reflect on lots of things a have. You enjoyed this episode for the show. It's peach present. Mud Lynch ask so much from this day. I'll see you in a lapse age of get your way back.
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A Unique Petri Dish
"Careful listeners on the media Wesley Morris. We're looking at. You will know that we released our regularly scheduled podcast extra on Wednesday but to quote many people on twitter. This week has been a very long month and there's more to say so here's the second podcast extra to tide you over until the show is released on Friday. You're welcome the covert nineteen pandemic has expanded our vocabulary with terms like social distancing and self-isolation in an article in slate this week Jeremy Samuel Faust. Who's a physician and instructor at Harvard? Medical School gave us one more case fatality rate tour. Cfr initial reports have the far for this disease at two to three percent but faust writes that the actual number could be much lower using the cruise ship. The diamond princess a unique Petri dish as his case study he explains that of the three thousand seven hundred and eleven people on board at least seven hundred five tested positive for the virus and six people have died a cfr of point eight five percent. What makes the diamond princess so interesting to somebody like me is that you know that pretty much everybody boarded the ship healthy? And so you can look at a kind of closed system to say. How does this virus behave? And it gives you a really interesting idea about things that you might normally not be able to detect like how many people actually contracted this and didn't know it. They're symptom free ASEM dramatic as we say in medicine among those who tested positive. How many were symptomatic? It looks like well over half at the last time that we receive an update which is far more than what we've been told in places like China obviously having the first real outbreak. China did say that they went and looked and tried to find people and they went door to door. But it just doesn't seem that they accomplish that because when you have this ship to compare it to and more than half of the people with this virus had no symptoms and also really. That's what we're hearing now coming out of South Korea where they are doing. Hundreds of thousands of tests literally drive throughs and so the number of asymmetric symptom free patients with this virus. I predict is much higher than what we initially heard out of China. So in the ship halfway symptomatic roughly there were seven people who died and all of them were either seventy over if you look at China which these staggering fatality statistics. All the deaths really are concentrated in that older age group but only about twelve percent of the overall cases were in the seventy plus age group and yet they comprise the huge number of the debts. Interestingly enough in the diamond princess that percent of the overall cases than old people is far far. More than what you saw in China. Which would have said. Oh we have more people. There's GONNA be a high death rate but in fact the death rate was much lower even among those age groups. I don't necessarily assume that the spread of the virus elsewhere would reflect what happens on a cruise ship. But what I think is really fascinating is the as use zoom out of the epicenter where this all began. The death rate does seem to have gone lower and lower and lower. And we have to wonder why that is this whole experience. Made me a little bit of a of a detective of Chinese epidemiological patterns. Thankfully we actually have really Great Peer Review Research and not surprisingly in Hubay. There is far more lung disease and related problems in those areas and so you might have an at risk population and then the other thing of course is as you get further and further away. The number of test kits probably changed. The number of cases actually skyrockets the more you test but the number of deaths only goes up a small amount because all the jets were sort of in that initial group. This is where we get into fractions and people their head spins but it's really simple. How many people do you think died? And how many people do you think have it? What can we derive from the diamond princess case that we can't get from the data flying in from Italy and South Korea and China with the diamond? Princess allow us to do was to say well. Maybe the overall fatality rate is a lot lower and maybe we can get an idea actually even within the risk group populations that things are better than we thought because we maybe had been over attributing deaths to corona virus which is something that we also really didn't talk about you. Don't really know. Icu there could be twenty patients in there and and ten of them might pick up corona virus but they were actually already on their last day from cancer heart disease. We don't know how many people these other countries that you mentioned died of corona virus versus died with Corona virus and the people had diamond princess. You have to say pretty much whatever medical problems they might have brought with them. It's pretty fair to say they would not have died but for Cromer's and that I think is a very important distinction whether any variables from the diamond princess that confounded you. That seemed to be inconsistent. Is there something? I'm missing the only thing that I would have liked to have seen is actually an entire manifest of all thirty seven hundred people on board the fact that just more old people got it on the ship. I assume that just reflects the demographic of who was on that ship at truly. There were four times as many senior citizens on this ship than there were in the areas around the hospital and Wuhan City. That'd be nice to know. Is this generalized. To another group of people tiny lessons that either the media or our elected officials or top. Medical experts aren't communicating very. Well I think the biggest actionable piece of information that the experience on the diamond princess represents is the benefit of wide-scale testing. Because they're thinking. Oh if we test a lot we're going to find more cases and everyone's going to look to their left and look to the right and say oh we all have more panic will ensue but in reality if you actually test everyone some really beneficial things happen. If I'm a young healthy person. Who has a cough? I'm told by the way that cough happens. To Be Corona virus. I'm not going to visit the nursing home. I'm not going to expose my sick relatives to myself. Massive testing can really help save lives. Because if I didn't know I had. It actually might give it to someone who's far more vulnerable. Can we afford to do that? We do a lot of screening for medical conditions in this country and we have a belief that some of it may work and may save lives but if you really do the deep dive there are very few screening tests that save lives in such a predictable and measurable way and this is that rare circumstance in which case. So what do you think? News consumers should keep in mind when they read or watch about new cases in seemingly every corner of the world. We spend all our time like one of those people on the beach with the metal detectors. The thing goes off. And that's what they did and that's what you see is doing. They're spending all the time right there whereas the rest of the beach is actually habitable. There is such a thing as doing too much and people say well. How's that possible? How's it possible to too much? The only way I could describe it will be a if I have a shopping list that says I need to get milk and the shopping list is one item long. It's unlikely that I'm going to forget to do it. But if I have fifty things on the list the likelihood that all forget the milk goes higher and higher and higher and I worried that if we're trying to everything shutting everything down before it even is in town. I'm worried that we focus on the wrong things and missed the things we actually do need to worry about which protecting the at risk populations and doing the guidance by handwashing and those kinds of things right. What would be at the top of your list? Large-scale comprehensive national testing is the priority as far as I'm concerned outside of doctors offices and Ers and hospitals because we need to save those resources for the people who need them. I think that's how we're gonNA find out where the disease is where it isn't and how to protect the people who are the most at risk. Jeremy Thank you very much. It's really nice to talk to you and wash your hands be safe and in the coming days. I hope that there will be less panic. Jeremy Samuel Faust is a physician and an instructor at Harvard Medical School. His article in slate is called Kovic. Nineteen isn't as deadliest we think.
Full Episode: Tuesday, March 17, 2020
"Tonight the Kuroda virus in the US several fast-moving headlines President trump declaring the world is at war with a hidden enemy. At least one hundred dead now in the US the administration wants to send checks to American families and ESPN tonight now reporting an NBA star. Kevin Durant has now tested positive along with three other players today. President trump warning tougher restrictions may be on the way and urging Americans to stay home and not to travel in the US or abroad in New York City tonight. The mayor now warning about a possible order to shelter in place that could becoming tonight. Dr Jen Ashton on what their dow seeing in New York. City's ers around the country tonight hospitals with critical shortages of blood and a shortage of supplies. Construction companies asked to donate the respirator masks. Will AMERICAN FAMILIES GET FINANCIAL? Help check from the federal government the White House now working at a one trillion dollar stimulus package to send checks. How much could families receiving millions of families tonight scrambling for childcare and for ways to make ends meet schools now closed and at least thirty seven states? Roughly forty million children now home store shelves stripped bare stores offering hours for shoppers. Sixty and older and tonight. Some major retailers now warning shoppers. They may see limits what they can buy an ER doctor from. California tests positive with the virus after attending a conference with hundreds of other doctors in New York City. A nurse also testing positive attending different medical conference tonight. We hear from patients around this country with corona virus. What are their symptoms while at home and at the hospital at America strong tonight the messages through the glass? We promise it's worth it. This is. Abc News Tonight with David Muir building and great to have you with us here on this Tuesday night in like every other night this is proving to be very busy one tonight the death toll mounting in the US now at least one hundred dead as the number of cases of Corona virus tops. Fifty eight hundred and of course authorities do believe that number is likely far higher given the testing in this country behind and tonight as so many families wonder where the next paycheck is coming from how to. Pay For groceries for weeks. The White House now hoping to send families in this country a check tonight. President trump proposing a massive relief. Plan promising to quote go big against the invisible enemy with a trillion dollar aid package for the airlines businesses and there was worthy administration. Wants to send those checks to American families. The amount unclear tonight but we'll break it down and seeing images of a country under stress. Empty Street in San Francisco after a shelter in place order kicked in there and in New York City tonight an Empty Times Square. The city seeing the most cases in the country and the mayor tonight with an ominous warning of a possible. Citywide Corentin. Dr Jen Ashton tonight on what they're seeing inside the ers here in New York and tonight the military now stepping in the Pentagon offering. Five billion respirator masks and medical equipment in short supply the navy now readying to hospital ships for possible deployment to US cities and tonight that news on NBA star Kevin Durant who is now tested positive with several other players. We will carefully get through it all again tonight here and we begin with. Abc's witch Johnson on the worsening seen in New York and across this country tonight the nation's largest city bracing for more drastic measures. New York's mayor now warning residents to prepare for a possible order to shelter in place is even though a decision has not yet been made by the city or by the State. I think New Yorkers should be prepared right now for the possibility of a shelter in place order the mayor conceding that would pose tremendously substantial challenges in a city of more than eight million people. I believe that decision should be made in the next forty eight hours and it's very very difficult decision. I want to emphasize that New York state now with the most infections in the country more than thirteen hundred cases of Kovic nineteen and just today the Brooklyn Nets announcing four players have tested positive including Megastar. Kevin Durant the team says only one player is showing symptoms governor. Cuomo urging president trump to take action and deploy the Army Corps of Engineers to help construct temporary hospitals citing the impending shortage of hospital. Beds I know what the Army Corps of Engineers can do They have capacity that. We simply do not have. I said to the President who is a New Yorker. I need your help. I want your help today. President trump promising to work with the governor for dealing with the Army Corps of Engineers. Should that be necessary? We have them working. In some cases on standby another cases and the Navy is reading to hospital ships for possible deployment to both coasts to assist with patients. Who Don't have the virus freeing up. Valuable Hospital beds at least twenty two states. Activating the National Guard. The San Francisco Bay area heading into another night under that shelter in place order. Whatever we need to do to stay alive then. That's what we need to do. Peggy Ivy among the nearly seven million people told to stay home for at least the next three weeks except to buy food medicine and to exercise the most drastic step so far nationwide. I made concern as gonNA live through this and healthcare workers on the frontlines sounding the alarm saying they're running out of supplies. It's mainly masked ice shields and ninety five respirators gloves gowns. A shield goggles all the things that you need to take care of. These folks obviously makes a situation where we are in desperate need of these and we actually have to lock them up. Stockings gowns all these things are disappearing from hospitals. The White House asking construction companies to donate their industrial mass to local hospitals and the Pentagon making a refined million mass available immediately along with two thousand ventilators manufacturers if those vital breathing machines now ramping up production to meet a surge in demand and the American Red Cross. Now says it's facing a severe blood shortage as blood drives across. The country are cancelled with the virus spreading shortages also hurting millions of Americans at the grocery stores lines are just extremely long shelter emptied. So it's kind of scary. A growing number of stores like stop and Shop Dollar General and food town setting aside early hours for seniors so many now ordering household essentials online Amazon announcing it will hire one hundred thousand warehouse delivery workers hoping to jump. Start the supply chain but major grocers like target Kroger and Publix are warning shoppers. They could see limits on what they can buy. We Johnson back with US tonight and with the nation's top infectious disease. Dr Anthony. Vouching was asked the White House today when Mooney no in this country these new guidelines are actually working to slow down a coronavirus here in the. Us David Dr Voucher. Says it can be difficult to track because you could still see a dramatic increase in the number of cases in this country. While these extreme measures are beginning to work behind the scenes. He added that it could still be several weeks. Maybe longer before. We know if these tough new restrictions are having an impact. David Horowitz. Thank you and as I mentioned at the top tonight. President trump is now urging congress to deploy trillion dollars right away including money checks that would be sent to American families. Here's ABC's chief. White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. Tonight facing one of the biggest economic crises in American history president trump is urging congress to inject up to a trillion dollars into the economy. We're going be one big piece of the plan which is still being negotiated direct cash payments to most Americans. Abc News has been talking to some of those hit hardest including parents of the nearly thirty million children who rely on schools most of which are now closed for low cost or free lunches. Tell me how life is at home right now. It's scary to kids. Don't understand you know trying to explain to the kids. It's the biggest part like you know. This is serious right now. This is the new normal now Tonight many are without work because their employers have been forced to shut down including the more than seven million people who work in restaurants and bars so in total how many employees are these two hundred two hundred. Have they confided in you about worried about red and paying bill? Fear now is the administration says it wants to start sending out checks to Americans right away. It's unclear how much those checks would before senator. Mitt Romney has proposed a thousand dollars per person. American state cash now and the president wants to get cash now and I mean now in the next two weeks the emerging trillion dollar plan would also include relief for the industry's hit hardest including hotels and airlines which have asked for fifty billion dollars. There's also a measure to allow people an extra ninety days to pay their taxes without penalty or interest and John. We know the administration wants to send out checks to help Americans get through this crisis. What more you learning tonight about how much those checks will be four. And when the go out David I just talked to a senior administration official involved in negotiating. This he tells me that the plan right now is for checks of more than one one thousand for every American except for those upper income levels. the checks would go out by late. April. If this all passes quickly and then a second check for the same amount would go out two months later if we are still in a national emergency all right. This is developing now John Cholera. Thanks to you tonight. We're also following news. An emergency room doctor tested positive just days after attending a conference of hundreds of ER doctors in New York City. Here's ABC's chief. National correspondent. Matt Guffman tonight. Fear for the safety of health workers on the frontlines after hundreds may have been unintentionally exposed to the virus it at least two medical conferences. One in New York's Times Square bringing together hundreds of Er physicians and medical teachers this Er doctor. Rosy Daniel says he felt symptoms after returning home to San Francisco tested positive in an online post Daniel writing I avoided all handshakes get. I still worry that either. Picked up the illness there or worse. Exposed someone else. He's now in isolation at home. Lisa Merck is a nurse who also tested positive after attending a different medical conference in Hawaii with hundreds. They're extremely exhausted. Tyrod one hundred percent sure contract to. I wish I knew on edge waiting for answers. Eight-year-old Adele is an isolation house. Even if my husband hurting. But that's all I've been pretty good. Decide her mother Vita Tyson. Call Health Department hotline to get her tested when she had symptoms. I call a different numbers. And he spoke with eight different people and they meant well And then they offered me back to the original number. She gave up but then she fell. Ill went to the ER got tested a week ago. Still know results. I don't know what I'm going to be able to leave my house. I don't know if I've in fact a lot of people can't tell anyone anything because I don't know but many with the virus are holding up well. Nba Player Donovan. Mitchell still showing no symptoms. I'm not a play. Seven game series. Tomorrow I'll be rated lays up. Act your interest. Elba is isolating his wife now the tune for solar garrity. Now's the time for thinking about each other ED tonight. Seven days after testing positive for the virus. Tom Hanks in his wife Rita released from the hospital. Posting a picture of the typewriter he brought with him. A Corona saying role in this together flattened curve. And we're now learning about a handful recovering through experimental treatment every morning and have fever. It was very very very tough debris Chris condition was deteriorating. He was admitted to a Washington State Hospital. Eight days ago the next day he was given Rim Desa. Vir Medication originally created for treating Ebola but was unsuccessful for that. It's now being given only to. The sick is corona virus patients. And he says it saved him within forty eight hours. I was feeling a lot better. I think that redemption veer gave the extra jump-started kickstarter whatever. I needed to turn that corner. That's actually hopeful news tonight makeup in live outside. Ucla Medical Center. I want to get back to that. Experimental treatment that you reported on here. That seemed to help that patient in Washington state. What authorities telling you about it tonight David there. It's one of several experimental drugs currently being tested now. This one is only being used in the most acute cases when there is no other alternative. It's being used in several hospitals around the country now there are clinical trials here in the US and in China but it could take months to determine if this drug is effective and only then once approved will be rolled out to the public. David all right Matt. Thanks to you again tonight. We've all seen the images from Italy of course hospitals. They're overwhelmed in fact this number more than three hundred more deaths just today with the. Us is now watching Italy as we asked the question could USC what they have seen their ABC's James Longman tonight from London tonight. Three hundred and forty five more people dead in Italy in the last twenty four hours the total now over twenty five hundred the health system buckling under the onslaught patients contained over. The virus is not families on lockdown. The dead are buried without them tonight. One glimmer of hope cases in Italy's original red zone down slightly but back in America concern over. What's playing out in Italy? And they have more doctors and hospital beds per person than in the US. David with America's top expert on infectious disease. Anthony FAUCI doctor. Can you assure the American people that what they witnessed in those images from Italy and from those hospitals won't happen here? He Know David. I'm always trying to be cold and honest. I don't want to scare anybody. There's no guarantee of anything that's why fouled she says. Americans have to limit their exposure and public activities to slow down the virus so it doesn't hit with the same speed as Italy and so use hospitals can keep up with demand for emergency care. Doctor found she and other health experts. Now studying the timing seen in Italy and in China to help full cost how long it could take hold in the US. So let's get James in London for US tonight. James we all heard. President trump say the outbreak in the. Us might last until July even August. Dr Fau told me that's possible but that he's also hoping that the US might track more along the lines of what we've seen in China which seems to be on the other side of this much time. Did that take. Yeah David took its first cases in December and has now started to report a slowdown. So it's taken about two and a half months. Italy's experienced seems to be lasting longer. It's now a third of the world total deaths the rest of Europe and the US is certainly hoping not to follow in its footsteps David or James Longman and it's great to see you out of quarantine. James Thank you and in the middle of this back here in the US. Three states went ahead with presidential primaries today Florida Illinois in Arizona. One St cancelling at the last minute. Here's Mary Bruce and election night like we've never seen before in Arizona voters lined up in facemasks extra safety precautions at the polls in Florida and in Illinois to voters tonight weighing the risk of casting their ballot. I was worried about looking crazy but then I thought who cares right. This is more important in Ohio governor. Mike DeWine made a last minute decision to postpone the primary defying judge's order to let the vote precede issued a perfect decision. No absolutely not does preserve people's constitutional rights and interests not require them to choose between their health and exercising their constitutional right at the White House are giancarl pressed the president. What are you doing to ensure that further elections were still in the situation one from out two months? Do Judge Very simple. We're getting rid of this virus now. As for the candidates they are having to walk very fine line. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are both cautiously encouraging their supporters. To get out and vote but only if they feel they can do so safely. We want to turn back to your questions tonight. And so let's get right to our chief medical editor. Dr Jen Ashton. Jen I that news out of New York City today. The mayor now saying prepare for a possible citywide quarantine. That gutter attention hasn't happened yet. But what are your sources telling you about what they're seeing already in the IRS? Right here in New York. They're very busy. David and they're running critically low on the personal protective equipment. So now is really the time to act to protect those emergency rooms before. They're completely overwhelmed. And I know you've been tracking Matt Governments reporting there on that experimental drug being using a couple of parts of the country that had been made for Ebola Obviously early signs early on the data. What else is being tried as far as treatment for this day are looking at every existing antiviral medication because we have safety dosing profiles on them. And they're already available no no data yet but they're under clinical trials and some early results are promising. Let's hope so in the meantime last night during the special you first began reporting that there's going to be a need for doctors and hospitals to put elective surgeries on. Hold just to free up beds. Supplies Healthcare workers and today we then heard these warnings from groups in this country literally every professional organization came out with really urging the postponement or rescheduling of all elective surgery procedures. Even routine cancer screening. So we've heard from every major group really asking people to fall in line to conserve those. Those materials like masks index severe storms moving across country. Tonight heavy rain flash flooding hitting Dallas that moving east heavy rain from DC. In fact in New York City by Thursday and tonight remembering actor Lyle Wagner best known from the Carol Burnett Show Brunette tonight remembering him as funny kind multi-talented. He was eighty four America strong and the messages through the window. Carl Boyd and HER FIANCEE'S TREVOR. Sellers got engaged over the weekend. She wanted to share the news with her grandfather. Shelton in a Nursing Home Lake. Welcome on North Carolina. He is in isolation from his family. So carly went to that nursing home to his window to surprise him. I put my hand on the window. And he put his online and we told each other. We Love Each Other. And we're very much allows crying so many messages through those windows bobby. Nancy Szilard from Vernon Connecticut. Mary Sixty seven years. Ansi is also in a nursing home in solution. So Bob made this sign. I've loved you sixty seven years and still do. That's Nancy waving from the window. So moving just like carly and her grandfather very special home and I was just glad that I was able to share that with him. So many families with loved ones in nursing homes during all this. And I'll see you tomorrow. This country's filled with anxiety and questions really effective in Corona virus as corona virus continues its relentless spread across the country. We WanNA help and give you the latest information. I'm Aaron Katersky from ABC News. And I'm hosting a new podcast called Cova. Nineteen what you need to know. Surface cleaning does work each weekday. We call on our chief. Medical correspondent Dr Jennifer Ashton and other experts respond directly to. What's on your mind about this virus? It's Kovic nineteen what you need to know a new series weekday afternoons on your favorite podcast APP. So you just woke up. Your phone is lighting up with headlines and push notifications and a text from your mom saying how do I click this okay? 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