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The Kist & Solak Show #90: NFL Draft Positional Rankings

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The Kist & Solak Show #90: NFL Draft Positional Rankings

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Brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed while my work at bleeding, greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter. If you dare at Michael kissed NFL, vets K, I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is brand. Stark follow him on Twitter at Benjamin select that's S O L A K brand how you doing brother and Jin. Imagine there being show with a ton of amazing character like some like inspirational interesting def- characters and the one you look like is brand. The most notable thing I ever did was be needy. I mean, obviously besides besides falling out of the tower you lobotomize door. You may have built the wall way back when you might be the night king. I mean, there's tons of things you mind, if I end up being the Nike ING big w big humor officially room for that. Now. But other than that. I'm just the the pointless dark. I just there's no real reason for maybe do anything past six seasons. Benjamin was more interesting for God's sakes. When I was reading the books, I often just kind of breezed through the brand chapters where he was like wargin to one of the dire. Wolf, sir. Whatever I found him. So on interesting as I started to go through. I'm like, oh, wow. He's actually like really really key to the whole story. Maybe that's why they've been spending so much pointless time on him. But that's a whole nother story. I'm sure he'll get his come up in the last season and do something cool hopefully for your brand. But yeah, there's some opposed to the picture. I forget who originally did it. But it was a couple days. Yeah. And I was like. Oh, this is funny and annoying. And I haven't been able to shake it sense. But think about it constantly. I told my fiancee, she died laughing. She's like this the exactly like him. I was like you're marrying me. Like, this is not a good idea. This should be disagreeing right now. But I haven't able to shake I've kept thinking about it. And then today, I just like, you know, working I was doing something wiggly back my mind. I was like fudge Brian stark, man, forty at annoying is what is happening to your brand. Especially when you let somebody like me as a producer in editor kind of control those things, but we're going to get into one of those funny in annoying thing because we have some official visits to report on before we get to the main topic of the show, which is going to be ranking the players within the needs. So what we did on kissing Solex show eighty nine was we went through what we felt were our top needs for the eagles entering the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Now, you're going to take those top needs. We are going to rank those position as far as how we have the prospects ranked within those positions, but before we get to that. Again, we have some official visits to update. You on. They are coming in fast and furious first up Penn State running back mouse Sanders official visit we'll. Now, you gotta you gotta bring more than you got to bring more Ben. Okay. I I can't remember I can't remember is it wa who or what ha ha who? No. It's just one is just one of the mental. I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah. We'll try it again. Oklahoma state back Justice hill official. Visit wa brigades gotta bring more energy. Gotta bring more energy Ben Baylor wide receiver. Jalen Hurd is an official visit other burnin Jalen her. Yeah. There you go. Now more genuine right now. Let's see how how do you get this one Notre Dame defensive tackle? Jerry Tillery is an official. Visit. Aren't even know what to do with my lips. Like, how do I I have no idea how I made this sound in the first place, and I've been trying to replicate it along with the brand starving for days, and she's not possible. Okay. Get really high for this one. Because this is a guy that we both talked about both love red four three at the combine official visit Georgia wide receiver Michael Hartmann. What you give to you? Like, you really going to bring it. You're the one who's got it all these there's like five like you're like just salloway totally off the charts Nevada cast offer you so what do you think of these official visits? I wrote a piece recently, I'm bleeding renascent dot com. Finding like a complementary piece for Jordan Howard, which is like a short term view things, but finding the areas where like we have holes in the in the backfield, which I found to be breaking tackles in space being allusive. And also the the second one being pass catching receiving ability. Durell Henderson who's an official. Visit was one of those guys for me the top guys. Whereas like the Olympics go any other guys on it list. Justice hill is a guy that we mocked the eagles in our last seven around market. Yes. Eighty seven or eighty eight Kistin Sollac, and he was a day three guy that we light. So they're bringing in a lot of running backs. They're also bringing these big wide receiver Jalen Hurd. And then you have Tillery matched with Christian Wilkins was another. Visit like they're really hitting these positions of need pretty hard. Yeah. Now, I find that big slot vibe, very interesting. So it's been jail. Unheard AJ Brown for shore. Did they have to kill Harry or now? Yeah. Nikiel Harry was one right and carry and then I've seen like they've had miekel Hartman in Paris Campbell as well. So obviously some clear like speedy gadget types, which I've long held the belief. I don't know if it's strong enough to be a belief like just like an opinion. But I very much felt like Peterson wants a gadget player the way he had in Kansas City with two with Terry Hill. And they've they've used galore gadgetry sort of ways, but it's never been super productive for them. And I think they really would like that gadget. Type that Peres Campbell type. I don't think they wanna spend an early pick on it. But I do think it is a mold. They wanna fill Dextra cluster was another guy that they brought in local from where I'm from from Largo high school player that kicked out of the kick seminal out of the playoffs. I remember him. It was the gadget player for themselves. Like like that mold. I get what you're saying. Yeah now, and I'll be interested to see if they look at a guy like Memphis running back by to see return polar. I think very much fits that gadgetry style of role. But regardless a happy, they're doing the homework on Sanders. If he's there at fifty three fifty seven he's definitely going to be imply, I'm not a huge fan of his film to be very honest with you. But a lot of the things I don't like about his film are like the common cure for them is just experiencing. He's a one year starter who was behind saquon Barkley. So you can understand why he really hasn't gotten too many reps. Are you concerned with the fact that his fumble rate is like two point six per one hundred carries like in a lot of them came against contact on fumbles aren't sticky necessarily, but his seemed to be kind of alarming when you have that many of them. My thing is this Kareem hunt had like no fumbles in three thousand nine hundred seventy four carries in college. And then his second carry fumbled. Right. As the patriots will be Gwen. Yep. Even more so than drops, in my opinion, fumbling is so very situational. That what I'm looking for are like are you clearly completely careless with the football. Right. If I can see that on film than it doesn't really worry me Sanders as a player his game is predicated on stringing multiple moves together. And. In high emphasis change direction burst the explosive severe stuff to maintain balance at his size. You have to let your arm separate from your frame mean. The you need your arms to do what he does. So I'm not surprised the ball circle items frame. A little bit is somebody that you see on film. So I like it's on my radar. But it's not something that hasn't evaluator. I I'm gonna take a huge amount of stockings. I don't think it's super sticky year to year statistically, and I don't see like degree Jesus yet complete indifference towards protecting the football. Now, they don't don't let us film. But would like to like if he's effort to three seven he like, he makes sense as like a oxide guy like the you can solve the problems of experience Justice hill makes we talked about this when he was mocked makes a ton of sense as a day three guy because he'll be that role player. Type manage touches he'll be zone saw runner how to run power. It'll be very nice heard. I was going to ask you about him because he's a guy who was at Tennessee as a running back and then Alvin Kamara. Started eating some carries from him. I was like they should have started Kamara over him. I didn't really like hurt as a running back. I haven't watched really his tape as a wide receiver. But I've seen some clips. And like it looks like he's really focused on the technical aspects of the position more. So than you would think a lot of the current analysis on heard is based off of the same forklifts you've seen go around most likely. Yes. And something like like when we talk about good route running as a trade for receivers the number one thing receive needs to do. Well, a lot of route running comes from experience. When I say that what I mean is like there's a great clip of heard hitting like a beautiful like post corner rights Jeff youthful little low post, corny totally flips around the slot corn. It's great. But he was unabated at the line of scrimmage, right? And basically a good athlete did a good athletic thing in that route. He understood the steps you understood what his landmarks any of the route. I'm much more interested in a player's ability to run routes when he is accosted line when he's affected in the contact Wendell. I'm much. A much more interested in his ability to run routes where clearly he has to adjust the route to coverage where he's getting a cap coverage or is getting cones of this. You know, the safety rotation. You can see he's working into space and to like hurt has all the tools to be a good route runner, and is a good route runner in the sense that he snaps off his brakes nicely. But a lot of the stuff that he does is around runners clearly inexperienced, which is fine. It's just like he's getting graded as you know, a round of three round four. I can't get my head around that. Yeah. I mean, he's like firmly day three guy for me, and he'll be drafted far above that because of the athletic potential because of his ability with the volunteers hands, I'm fine with that. Like if you wanted to gamble on go for it. I don't think Philadelphia will at the price point, which he would be slighted Yana mean. But obviously super interesting profile because like heard could be a tremendous wide receiver. We don't know. I mean to the Tennessee point. Yeah. I mean, he started over Alvin Kamara quote, unquote. But the reality was Butch Jones, the head coach at Tennessee. Like, their coaches who don't know what they're doing. And then there's Butch Jones. That's just like different level of encompass. Yes. The heard got the heck out of there. Like hurts switched positions to leave. Obviously, you know, he he also wide receivers beneficial for him. But like he was just so poorly miscast misused and so yeah. Like, his his such interesting profiles. But what exactly is going to be wearing lined up? How is going to be used? He's a ton of fun, and then Tillery Tillery a little bit like heard to pass rushes against Stanford. Go round the time line for two months. Allison is a first rounder was like all right. Well, it's he's he's he's he's a second round. Right. That's fine. He's like an early second round. It'd be very coupled drafting him in the first round. I don't think he's a top twenty player. We have to acknowledge that weight wise. He I think at Stanford or at Notre Dame. He was playing a little bit under three hundred. And then he just recently had soldiers surgery. He is not a thick dense, dude. He's a little bit long. And he's a little bit lean which is fine. If that's your mold on to be aware of Vars his ability to hold up in the run game against double teams. And then really the late emergence for a high star recruit, which is. Good to see is it a flashing the plant. The pan is always the question you have to answer when like a really highly touted recruit suddenly has one good season his last year like what really is the author behind this. So this is like not want to say that cause for suspicion. Just like you have to be a little bit more careful around Tillery than I think some people are dressing it. But the thing is like do rush the passer from the interior so draft in the first round done by reason pick at twenty five on the Sumi Wilkins's off the board. But he was visa pick twenty five to me. I'm totally fine with that. It's great. So this is all lead up as we go into our position rankings here in a second. But this is all lead up again to our big board fight, which is going to be the next show, but can get peek at your big board when it comes to Tillery. I think we have him ranked pretty similarly, and I don't think this will be a point of contention. I have him at twenty six overall. It's exactly what we did that we've done that with Chauncey at fifteen now tiller twenty six. Yeah. I have Christian Wilkins's twenty five and Jerry tiller twenty-six YoM higher on Wilkins, which. Will be a fight that we're going to have for multiple reasons here coming up soon here. 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A bunkers numbers of like taco tackles for loss in that in Marcus Smith is one of the main reasons I started getting like into into the draft really because he was selected and I read a little bit about him. And like, you know, like staff was like he's gonna be on mazing. And then guess what happened Mike? He's. Yeah. He was so bad. I was big into the draft it when they selected him. I was like who is this person. I followed it pretty decent wing every chip Kelly era. First rounder made no sense to me at all. I don't even like added like the pick was what are we doing right now? I was I was high on your. But I think that what if we got rid of Jeremy Macklin for somebody who might be. Jeremy MAC Lewis. Well, I know injuries kind of. What would it Macklin do after that that he had many productive seasons? After that. I don't think he did like I know there were injuries. Now, he didn't. But I felt like I like at the times is twenty time. You you created a need to fill a need. Emmy while Landon Collins was just sitting there and twenty like, yeah. Exactly. Obviously. Position. I'm outside. Yeah. I didn't think they were gonna draft Peter's Kelly what a hate America speeders. I knew they weren't gonna drop heaters. I said I wanted Peters. But the fact that his character was so talked about Calvin move. A deal of it. I mocked Adler to the eagles. Because like he's team captain. That's the kind of guy that chip Kelly likes people. He's taking the people that hasn't fun film at USC. It's true here. They did. Yeah. All right. So let's get into these positional rankings. We might as well start with the top need as we saw it on the kissed and select show episode eighty eight let's go with the safety position. We're looking for the era parents either Malcolm Jenkins or a future replacement for Roddy McLeod who long term future with the team is in doubt. Number one. I'll start I have necessarily at a Delaware number two. Chauncey garner Johnson out of Florida. Both first round grades for me, by the way, very close on my big board. Number three. I'm super high on Darnell savage from Maryland who is an official visit price three. Yeah. A love the cathedral seal in baby, I'm hoping he's religious number four Deontay Thomson from Alabama little bit of a slide since since the beginning of the season number five at take tiller rap from Washington. Number six Amani Hooker from Iowa give me smart defensive backs. You've rat at five. Yeah. You haven't said one phone house name yet. I have not want Thornhill number seven from Virginia. Like honestly from four to seven super super tight for me. And then eight as that the highest third round grade or close to that that I have is Jonathan Abram from Mississippi State, Ben Where'd you take umbrella WJR on that of us. I was gonna say I was gonna say bridge. And then you already said it an my thing with the with Taylor RAB above Thornhill and y'all sat him above Hooker. Yeah. He has nothing with that. Honestly. Honestly, I don't hate it. If I look so rap as mice as my safety seven, and he comes in at fifty fourth overall wise, I have like Hooker at thirty nine and I have Thornhill thirty four. So I have Thornhill thirty four overall. Darnold, savage, thirty five overall all money Hooker thirty nine overall. Yeah, they come in on a six player little island there. There's three of them just right next to each other. And then wrap is a step down. I can understand having ramp up in that group because rap super high floor like rap is just gonna play in the league. And he's gonna play for a long time and just going to be fine. And it's all going to be well in dandy. I don't really see much boss potential for Khokar. I don't see much for Thornhill. I see a little bit for savage. I guess because he's smaller though, Thornhill. Did you catch this apparently apparently teams thinks hills dumb, which is weird? Yeah. Jury this. Enter deter co is on the pro circuit, Bijan radio specially talk with love this football intelligence. I find it very interesting that seems thinks that his experience like it doesn't show up on Phil for me. Yeah. And that's right. I was gonna say Virginia's out there running some coverages man Virginia's like that. They're doing some stuff. Those good secondary. He'll play a lot of roles in three interesting. I talked with a helluva the senior bowl and he's debt like we didn't talk much football. But he's cutting very well-spoken. So I wonder if they're saying it's on the whiteboard specifically, so maybe that maybe that's problem for Thornhill. Some teams on moving back to corner, which I get it because of the length because the explosion is kind of that Byron Jones with situation site Gant having wrap up there, but to me when I just look purely at athletic profiles, and what that means as a potential early to mid round to selection like I just I wouldn't hate taking wrap there. But if there's another one of those guys on the board, I think in offer so much more and terms of ball hawking in terms of playmaking. I talked with Tim ho how hawk Tim Hauck how the eagles safety coach HA UCK tired of pass training camp. We talked about evaluating safeties because it's notoriously tricky. And he was like the number one thing. I look for just the ability make plays on the ball. Getting rap just doesn't make plays on the ball. Yeah. So tell me like that again Raskin to stay in the league, and he's high floor guy and his Greek Eric, Janice. Great tackler. I would I don't want him to be in the same tier as those guys because if rap was one of two on the board, I would want the other guy. So it's important me the wraps below. That's my main bridge. What if I put it to you like? This from thirty to forty eight. I have savage Thomson rap Hooker and Thornhill Thornhill after Thompson is the next free safety single high type safety. So it does depend on what you're looking for as well. So I'm not going to stick to my rankings. If I need a certain thing. So I like Thornhill in that role. I think he makes makes sense if you wanna take him before those other guys they're very very close for me clustered together. What about what about more rankings? Let's let's I want to fight with you. Yeah. In a got safety one fifteen overall Chauncey and then twenty one of on twenty two over all Diaz Thompson Assira backed back on down. Okay. Thirty four as one four nil. Thirty five's darnold savage, thirty nine money Hooker, fifty four Taylor rat. My big surprise, which item thing this is going to happen. But it Dan aren't even I feel about it. Sixty three overalls Ahmadi at Oregon seventy four Jonathan Abram Mississippi State and then eighty five drought matab ten Mike Edwards out of Kentucky. I have eleven safeties in my top one hundred. Like, I like that sell Sheldrick red wine is last one out of Miami. Good blah with Jonathan Abram getting so much first round height like back into the first round type hype. And I think he could honestly go there because like we've talked about teams are going to take a weird safety. I sent Melkite Mel kiper said the are gonna take Jonathan Abrams tightest Howard Babu reiki on so triggered. I'm not that high on Abram, man. I love the physicality that he brings. But I don't know if he can cover like in breaking and outbreaking routes. I think the long speed is fine to carry routes cover tight ends and whatnot. But he just seems like if he's lined up against like a slot receiver has to do something like that or react to like a bunch. Switch released type deal. I feel like he's really going to struggle hanging. With those guys is that's your main concern with Abraham while you have them so up. Yes. Like Abram abor makes me sad. Here's why makes me sad. My what a love is so physical. It's off rights. It's like the you like Gan that Marshall safety. Right, right. Then he tested horribly, but I loved his AAC. But like if we go, right? We just gone felt by Gan is a super fun watch. And it's he's really fun to root for. Yeah. Because like he's he's super physical. And he's he's very explosive on a straight line on film. And like, you know, he he tackles he brings the heat, and it's fun because like you don't really know of him. He's like exciting Marshall if there was no like first round buzzer on Abram. He'd be such fun tape watch because for found, bud. You're watching and you're like, what is this come one young? I mean Abram is. So I if safeties just had the play on the compass rose like football played a great. If this was tech mobile Abram is player. One on got a straight line due to awesome. And then you ask a brother to drop his hips and take a corner is just not great by group. And so what what do you do with that player? Will tricky you put them in the box, which makes sense for Abram size of physicality. He's gonna be taking less straight lines. If you put him at free safety. He gets take more, you know, straight angles downhill flying the football. But now, also you're exposing him in coverage. Does he have the range of the ball skills? I don't really want him in man coverage that much yet. So I do want him zones. It's a tricky deployment is the mall of the story here. He has that frame that you're like all put on tight ends. And then you watch him try to deal with the Iowa tight of the bowl game. No. We can't do that right now with this profile. So to me Abram is a player like sometimes you, you know, you say like like for me like I have a Monte above him. Well, I have a very clear wolf Ramadi. I'm ready. As is a is a darnold savage nickel box. Type Ahmadis gonna play. Mine is a great of ex- corners, man, coverage sort of guy he's gonna be that great nickel safety for you. And he could play Deepak very clear role. Abram more Tracy has more splash plays than Ahmadi. But I can't figure out the role for them. And so it's harder to grade him out higher. If there was fifteen years ago with Abram be your safety one fifteen years ago, everyone being a linebacker one nutcase there. I can't remember which is now there's one game where like, you know, on my grading scale. Like, I agreed on traits zero through one hundred. It's like, you know, bye by. Parents a five and ninety is a Lee. And so it's very rare that I give out a hundred I gave Abram a hundred on physicality for one grade. I can see if I can find it was it the spring game that he ended RIC zone. He may. Now, there's willing game rows like he was like take people's heads off like aren't even care. This is one of the most ridiculously like like self unaware games. I've ever seen the dudes going to wake up tomorrow broken and ten places of Sali's a heat seeking missile mail as you find that will go to. Well, let me ask you one more quick question on safeties. You watched Mike Edwards? Do you watch the Kentucky I need to watch more, man. I've seen him as I've watched other Kentucky players. I like him. I don't know how much I like him. So he's one of the Iraq with them. Yeah. You saw it. And we're like, I don't think he'll be around at one twenty-seven. Right. But that's where I would really like him as a player has caliber should go think is going to go higher because of some of the senior bowl staff because like he does have a lot of versatility. He started all over the place for that second his career. He's really started like just linebacker overhang, whatever like every position they have like spur, you know. And so teams like that. But I really like him at value. I just think he's gonna go to early as fareless go to offensive tackle. Which was our second. Biggest need be felt for the eagles because of the situation going on with Jason Peters is health or relying on that. If we draft one, we definitely trade big v. I feel like he's regressed. Let's kick it off with our top offensive tackle. So I have Jona Williams at number one. These this is a very close bunch, by the way, these are like Bing, Bing, Bing on my big board all top ten players, so Jonah Williams, Alabama number one. Then I have John Taylor Florida. Number two, Cody Ford number three Oklahoma frigging love his game. I wish I could give him a higher grade. But that's it is what it is. After that. I have Andre Dillard who ended up as a top twenty player for me at number four yawny could juiced at number five. Greg little at number. Six David Edwards from Wisconsin at number seven. And then I think that's where I start to need to finish them evolves. But like guys like, Bobby Evans, Chuma Dogo come come there. Like the fourth round range, which is where Edwards starts in the fourth round. What about you? Do you take any umbrage with those? You said you wished you could have could afford higher. What that is evil kept on love for you. Because that's my office is tackle one his his athleticism score wasn't great. And it just nah, there's nothing I can really do about that. But I feel like he's more athletic on film. So that pushed him down like understand when I say that these players are close, it's John Williams with a final grade of seventy nine point four two one tailored seventy nine point one, Cody Ford at seventy eight point four, so it's like, yeah. Super super tight. Yeah. I've got Cody Ford at seven point seven eight as my office, title one. John Taylor is seven point seven one. And then general EMS is seven point six three. Yeah. So you could flip that over my seventh ninth and eleventh overall players on my big board. They are six seven eight. So you could flip him. However, you like him pick your flavor. But yeah, four think it was his lettuce athleticism score that knocked them a little bit Williams is so fricken clean and Taylor is just a a monster in the run game and l alike, the the ceiling that he's got did you say you say you on really set earlier on Twitter that like John lands has been so good for so long that we're starting to forget that you that was. That was I mean that that's like so Williams is three out of those three for me. But that's that's what has blames is like we're trying to poke holes. Just what's very good football players point. So right. So the way that athletic testing gets factored by grades is that each position has certain tests that are weighed heavily than others, and it's all wait adjusted, and so Cody Fordham jumped which is big for tackles for me above average at a markedly above average weight, and so his athletic testing in it, I think it increases great at least didn't change it. Because those particular tests that I value profits tackles, he was strong at at a ninetieth percentile, weight, whatever it was. So that's where like Ford Ford's short channel three Comber both awful if memory serves. But those don't impact me too much. I know like Josh Norris's big on like short shovels for tackles by like that. That's the used that in migrating the way that I use the jumps. Because from what I understand the jumps really are the ones that that translate. But regardless Cody Ford office. Title one John tale efforts tackle, two, gentlemen. Offense attack on three big drop off thirtieth. Overall, yon juiced thirty I don't rise ner forty six hundred Dillard, sixty four David Edwards seventy-one Chuma Adoga Eighty-one Kayla. Mcgarry eighty four Bobby Evans, I have doesn't top ten. I have twelve in my top one hundred where did you have Dillard, again, Dillard as six and the thing about Dillard is this a lot of his film. I like some stuff bothers me nitpicky, whatever. But and this is something that you see often in to tackle violations of my opinion. Because of what he was asked to do. There's just areas of offense of tackle play that. I just don't know how good he is. Like, I can't say he's good your project. Yeah. Exactly. And so it's hard to give him strong rates in those categories where I've seen him. Do it like three times and accordingly on my board, which is for all thirty two teams. He ends up enough to tackle six. If you know how you wanted applaud your tackles. You can have him top twenty twenty five and I really care that much. So example, I don't think Dillard is a great fit in Philadelphia. Biggest Philadelphia loves to have their tackles have the ability to jump said at least in something that they incorporate like lane very frequently takes deep vertical sets. But as Peter's as he's gone older to has more frequently jumps at and he's more figuring one early in the wraps. Yeah. Something Philadelphia needs to use the way they run their play action game. So Dillard, who I just have objectively never seen jumps set doesn't make a lot of central them unless you've sat with stout linen styles worked out. But like, yeah. This kid jumps. Have you seen a move and be great probably KENNY'S at that fifty player for me? But there's there's areas of his game where I just I can't tell you right now that I'm positive. He can check these boxes like that that kind of sounds like scheme dependent. It's a little bit different. Because I think it's not as clear that he's bad at x y and z horde when you use. A a rigid. Grading scale for thirty two teams that of a heuristic approach for one team things like this happen to players like Dillard you've seen having other players before. Like, I'm circling through right now like gear bribery. Gabe, reveries twenty eighth on my board. I think Garib robbery could be won a best players in this draft. If he goes, Los Angeles Rams, but I can't put a mess higher than twenty eight because I can't give him strong raise in things like angering in pass protection, which may not be a huge deal if his offense runs exclusively plaques passes. Like, the Rams do you know what I mean south? No that's fair. Dialing back for a second before we move onto the running back -sition, which was our third need. If I move Cody Ford's athleticism score one single point out of ten. He's my offensive tackle one. That's how close they are. You did you say reisner in your office of tackles draining Graham into your offensive line into your offensive line? I think is passed Messa time Howard, you'll turn and run Scalia wag the bellied lily livered coward. I'm usually he's off. Pensive tackle until he's a guard type of guy, I think reisner plug a minute guard forget about it. Don't worry about trying to make them work at tackle put him in a guard. He's better there. He'll be better there. He'll play for a long time. So he's a high player my board. But he's one of the few were on Mike. I don't know about that. I don't know about that kicking him inside movie onto the running back position before we get outta here. Number one for me, Josh Jacobs. Alabama had that take for awhile number two drill Henderson from Memphis. He was official visit again, number three. And I love this guy. And I know you're not as high on them. But I'm dying on this hill. Bruce Anderson from North Dakota state the starts. Yeah. It's I mean, it's the third one. I don't like this running back class. Ben. So is the third round grade that crazy on Bruce Anderson, or should I have we're second round grades. Like, I don't I don't know how to parse that out. My running back. Three is also third grade. Just having Bruce Anderson is the third round graders nuts now, you're nuts. Anyway, Damian Harris my running back four from Alabama. Rodney Anderson gets bogged down due to injury. He was originally marina back to from Oklahoma. He's my running back five now than we get into David Montgomery from Iowa State mile Sanders is my last third round grade for running back from Penn State, obviously than we have in the fourth round. We'll just we'll do the fourth round guys here divine Z, Bo from Nebraska's next Justice sill from Oklahoma state after that we've already talked about Devon signatory from Florida Atlantic man, I wish he'd tested better. But he did I think it one point six on the on the tenured split, which is which is all right right on the board line than James Williams who has over two hundred career catches from Washington state is the last. Of my fourth round grades. I think Higdon Holyfield Elijah hick Elisa Holyfield from Georgia and Courant Higdon may have slipped into my fourth round as well. Now that I'm looking at it. But then other than Bruce Anderson who you think I'm crazy about an ultimately, I will be right about do. Take to the navy's I watched a little bit Anderson just like, you know, getting like day three with emphasis guys getting is on as many as possible for lashes Jaffna our national, thanks. He's loose. I'll give you that. He can buggy he headed guy. I don't know what he's looking at sometimes Mazey's. He can move in cash. It pretty well. I think there was some development with how he pressed the line throughout the year. And that's something that Matt Wellman talked about because there were some impatient. Runs where he didn't need bounces quickly, and he could oppress things a little bit better. But then I think as season went on. And we watched him in the playoffs because we watched a ton of him in prepar that yeah, I felt like he got better in that area. So I see what you're saying. I definitely see those concerns there. You know, who I just watched a running back again like scouting out the rest of the guys Michigan is and everybody who. Who is good? And I should I should do. A former Yvonne is is Madison the Boise state. Get Alexander Madison. He's Toft, dude. He was banged up for that the conference championship game or something. Like that. When it was snowing, and he was just. Yeah. Hound in the rock all beat up. I like him, right? So. Yeah. So Madison like super high tread, right? And so young been there. I swear for ten years, right? Like four a decade. It's actually been like three seasons appreciate declared early. But we're talking about five hundred eighty career carries add another sixty reception. So six hundred forty touches from scrimmage three hundred thirty of them coming this season. Absolute workhorse for them, right? Didn't test Grayton jealousies? But for a two fifteen guy he's spry he can move. But then like, you said the toughness like he is in angry, son. He runs with purpose. I I enjoyed his film alive. He's a smart Blair running backs for me, Josh Jacobs. One. Darrell Henderson number two. I will accept no other. Meetings at this point where we agree with that. Yeah. I mean, that's one exactly. And this was the take pre combine. But especially post combine because this hour house putting these grades this Rimac class tested so badly. I know everybody bad that alleged Holyfield awful awful. Devon single Terry. Awful David Harris below average, right? David Montgomery that just everybody who ended like miles Sanders. Good an average like was a mouse by hundred board because he didn't suck but running back three from me. Rodney anderson. I don't move my grades for red flags. Okay. So he's just chilling is running back three Elijah Holyfield's running back for which I'll explain in a second. Which damon? What what round are we in? Now. Mid free is great on alleged Holyfield. He's my last top one hundred players eighty nine overall, aiming Harris, miles Sanders. Devon single Terry. David Montgomery Darren Hall at a Pittsburgh. He's still good. Nobody watches him. He's great. And then miles Gaskin is the last of my. Top ten at one thirty eight overall, Sears Holyfield because anytime I share my running back rankings people like almost a Holyfield. There's a system in place that integrates the athletic testing with the tape grade. So that I don't drop a guy too little or do far may sound that we tested right now there's testing badly. And then those doing what Elijah Holyfield did which is running an awful forty going to your pro day running in even worse forty like that is a special sort of bad. And so as we talked about with red flags and like injury red flag doesn't drop Anderson alleged Holyfield has a red flag on migrating scale bigger red flag for athletic testing. He tested. What would be historically poor for a player? Who is good Unum? If he becomes good. He's an outlier historically bad testing for a player who's good. So with that means now is I have Holyfield as a made three with a red flag. So if it's my pick at one twenty seven for the eagles, and he's my highest ranked player, but I have five running backs with round four gray. Aids. If any of them are there and Holyfield's there, I'm taking the round for guy, not Holyfield. So a mid three grade which like, film wise, he was a two testing brought him down to three and gave him a red flag. I'm not touching of until round five at the earliest, which is a perfectly fine round to select Holyfield who will not break many long runs for you. But is a fantastic. I the second level runner still really like as film. Clearly, he's a very limited flare match. What the red flag does Rodney Anderson. It's very much likely to be the case that like come day three using my two highest running backs, but I won't draft any of them before any of my round four grades. But that's how red flags integrate into a grading system. I just had to get that off my chest. What about money worried about? I mean, you could really pick your flavor with these running. We we both do not like this class when we both won't have many in the top one hundred Darren Hall is a guy that you told me to watch the ended up your in your in your top ten at the end of the top ten. I mean, I understand where we're taking guys. That we like their skill sets. And it's not a real high grade on him overall. What about him put him in your top ten because I started to watch him. And I think we disagreed on his wiggle. I think there's some gear down when he has to change direction. I do think working on a vertical plane coming down field. He can cut and has some good power out of that. I didn't see the tackle breaking or the yards after contact consistently enough and the ability to make people miss when they fill the alley that I thought I would see from a player from his profile that said his burst when he gets moving as a pig boy to take down. Right. See, and I remember the first game you wash them as the Stanford game, which I did not watch him when I completed Email because I was doing my final three assignments for the draft network for getting our five hundred scouting reports out five hundred players kill me. And so I only had like three games that I look want even watch this guy. And then I finish the third game. And I was like shoot he's around four grade, which he was like. Line four five, but he tested his pro really well yesterday so comes into his pro day two hundred and seventeen pounds. He goes ahead and runs a four five two with a one hundred twenty two inch broad and a four zero three short shuttle sub seven three Cohn at six nine four. The only tested Portland was the vertical jump which if you can find for me, the part where running backs jump vertically than desecrate view other than that. There's like that's the only bad measuring. He's got a great product the thing with hall like hall as a round for grade. I think a really good way of understanding why he's in that group. I said I five rand for running backs very often round four players can be described as a when I like to conditional players like my first round for betas mile Sanders. The USA like all like fantastic athlete who can string multi moves together. But right now, his vision limits is your one production renaissance single Terry right exciting runner who has fulfilled instincts. But right now, his lack of quickness means he won't breaks taxes in the NFL than it's David Montgomery. Tremendous contact. Balance and fight as a runner, but his lack of linear bursts will make it difficult for me to the first level. Everybody is a statement right up Darren Hall, right? Like slightly upright powerful runner who is incredibly explosive on a line and has grey second second-level speed, but his his inability to change directions. Quickly limited him to like inside zone empower concepts. Right. Everybody's just like a statement hall is a is a is a role player. He's a complimentary player ten to twelve touches about round for running backs. That's what I want for the other names are bigger guys that gave Montgomery demonstrate everybody's heard of them, but they are all in migrating. There are all that sort of back there comradery Baxter one Bs there. Lightning thunder lightning. That's what hall is. Right. And so that like having him grated. There makes sense for what he is how many complete bags do you think are in this morning back class to Henderson Jacobs. Actually, I would say free. I would say Anderson if he's healthy because we forget that Anderson was on the best pass catching backs in years. Yeah. I would agree with Anderson. Like, I said he would it. We would have been my right back to do you. Trust Henderson on. Inside runs or do. You think he's more of a space player? I think he's more of a space player. I think inside things Golo wonky forum. Why I trust him on inside runs. If he if you get him inside zone. He will bounce it. Because what he does is it much better instinct, and I wanted to know like like I like to say like, Memphis, the Oklahoma today, a C or Memphis, Oklahoma, the group of five the dude had plane runways to run through at times. Like oh there. He executed inside zone will. Yeah. Twelve of him could have executed inside zone with with blocking Memphis office, Lance great, the left tackle was really good, man. I think that's somebody on jago. Have they have a tight end whose name is Joey Magnifico. That's right. Amazing. He's good. But that's that's the important part. Right. So Henderson the remember when Doug Peterson talked about running their basic trap. Their WAM is an Gye or Clement. Whoever was it just gonna run the gap rail if you give Henderson rail style power runs where it's just listen. It's a slow developing plan of the shotgun. He's gonna get the hand off and he's gonna have one vertical. Gap, right. He's just hitting one gap. He's coming off one guy's back. He's making Kelsey righties making, you know, Erz, right? Gotta right. Whoever the key blockers here. He's running right off his tail Henin's could kill those Roslyn because he's unbelievable burst right, dude. Reportedly ran a one four split. There's only four to ten yards split. That's just like me. Kill me in the face. So. Yeah. Like I wouldn't be giving him a ton of inside zone. That's where I'd be running Howard. But on power style runs that are in the interior which like they ran a ton of like guard tackle counter that counteract the lake Oklahoma's made successful like Memphis ran that a ton Anderson runs out with great success. And it makes a lot of sense for him. Because right. When daylight opens he's through it like smoke in the linebackers can't recover. So I trust them on inside runs. I would run them on gap sil- stuff on the inside. All of that makes sense. Good points. 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BGN Radio #48: Recapping Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft

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BGN Radio #48: Recapping Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft

"You're listening to be in radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles test with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Welcome into BGN radio. This is episode forty eight. I'm your special host for this episode. Michael cast follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. Joining me today here to recap day to of the two thousand nineteen and fell draft, the master of ceremony may rain forever. He is Brandon league. Alan follow him on Twitter at Brandon gout in all of this. Of course, I got a positive this. Brought to you by the five folks at Espy nation. Beal g how you doing brother, Mike. It's good to be here with you lot to talk about with a lot of moving parts with the eagles and what they're doing in the straffed. Yes. Speaking of moving parts, there is a lot going on. And because of that we have some quick housecleaning to do that we didn't get to previously. And that's the news of TIMMY, Jernigan the defensive tackle signing a one year deal with the eagles. I don't think that changed the draw. Strategy at all as we heard about a lot of interest in Christian Wilkins, the eagles possibly moving up to thirteen which also means I don't have a ton of confidence. He even makes the roster ultimately. But it's news. They got lost in the shuffle of reacting to the draft. Of course, we're going to cover the draft that they two picks all that here. But before we get to that. Is there anything you'd like to add about the TIMMY Jernigan signing back when the eagles had that decision to make to you know, whether to pick up to me journey option or decline in obviously, we all knew there in decline that you weren't going to be paying whatever it was. I mean, they saved like seven million by declining to pick it up for a guy who only played forty five snaps last year at headed potential career ending which was by the way, like his kind of words, not just speculation. Like, he said his he thought is career might be over when he suffered that undisclosed mystery herniated disc in his back last offseason. So I thought was kinda weird when he like I felt like TIMMY journey. What was best for him was to come back to the eagles before they kinda kinda option in like be willing to take a pay cut? I think him making it to the market only hurt him because he what was he gonna find out there? Nothing. Like, you know, it's a it's a draft. It's loaded with talent. There's a lot of defensive lineman talent and freezing as well. So in the fact that we haven't seen these contracts. Details come out yet for two Jernigan probably tells us that it's not, you know, a a great deal for him. I to win your deal. I think he's gonna be on the team this year, especially because right now, you know, on paper fudge Cox Malea Jackson to me journey in even Trayvon Hester. Looks like a pretty good group of offensive tackles in. Then again, we'll see what the do here still on day three of the NFL draft. But yeah, I'm not I'm not shocked joining in his back. You know, I thought it made sense to bring back if you could get him on this kind of probably cheap low risk deal that I'm assuming you've got him on. And it's good if he's healthy. That's great. Definitely annual be interesting to see just like you said with Dave. Three though ripple effect from that if they still have faith that Jernigan will be there, if not if they're still fine with the current rotation that they had again, we mentioned the interest in Wilkins, a lot of my favorite darlings from the interior defensive line class are off the board at this point that let's talk about a guy that's not off the board before we get to the eagles selections because this is a guy that that jerk Benjamin. So lack was trying to sell you on to select it five Chauncey Gardiner Johnson has seen a massive slide. We're recording at the very end of the third round. So if you get selected here, we'll try to update you, but we might miss this. As we go through the last few picks around, but a Bill G what's wrong with Ben. What's his deal? How did he not know? He's supposed to be connected to these things. Very disappointed going to have to seriously consider firing Ben from the podcast, obviously. Yeah. But speaks to how unpredictable everything is right. Like, you know, we we go into the draft. We all think we know what's going to happen to some extent. And then feral gets taken at four and. Gardner Johnson slips out of out of potentially until day three. If he doesn't get tonight. So like, you know, who knows what these things. It's unpredictable. I mean, I guess, you know, in eagles context here, Mike, how surprised are you that none of their first three picks are defensive players there. It's all often so far yet. They're really loading up on offense. I'm fascinated by that because it seems like, and it's not like the manner that we may have thought would like the speed threat. But we'll talk about that. And yet they haven't even touched the defense position. We know that they had replacement level starters that they could probably upgrade the linebacker position. We know that safety is something that we're we were looking at before the draft. They brought in a ton of official visits for like the top tier type of guys at least. That's what we thought. Anyway, I mean, darnel savage was one of the guys that we brought in. And he went twenty first overall, you know, opposite story for garner. Johnson weren't lawn Thornhill win day to but they had a lot of interest in the position is like a long-term feel. They must have really. I loved the guys that were there and had them high on the board for them to go offense offense offense like that. And let's get into some of those offensive players will start talking about the picture mile Saint there's running back at fifty three overall in the second round, you know, Beal, I was really hoping for one of the safeties that we've been trying to the table for right here at fifty three. I thought the board was falling perfectly. There. We've been told by several people that the eagles were in love with Sandra. So it really wasn't a big surprise. When we productive player one thousand two hundred seventy four yards last year in the run game added on the one hundred thirty nine yards receiving so you hope to more there. Maybe it's one of those what can he do versus what he was asked to do type situations because he certainly has the ability to improve in that area. He tested pretty well one thing that has to clean up, and we talked about this with Benjamin soul. Ackerley? I did I know fumbles aren't necessarily sticky from year to year, but his average of two point six fumbles per one hundred carries was a big red flag for me. And a lot of them came again. Contact overall. There are a lot of players I had higher on my board, including Durell Henderson of Memphis. But if you wanna keep it in the same position group there, but he was really tough to evolve for me Sanders was I went back to his tape. A few times to see if there was something that I was missing. And I still like the prospect. I just didn't like him necessarily in that range, and I'll place my faith in how we induce daily to prove me wrong on this one build you. What was your reaction when the pit came down? Oh, I think Howie Roseman reactions said a best he trolled the eagles media tonight. And he's like, hey DJ after running back. Finally, we did it, and I can stop asking us about it. So very strong move there by Roseman. But I mean, this is, you know, this is a significant thing like Howie Roseman until this two thousand nineteen fell draft had never drafted a running back before the fourth round. And we all know who they took in the fourth round a couple of years ago. And I very sorry. Just another missed by then come on anyway. Yeah. It's killing me. You're. Gonna have to discipline. He's still in both of us were mile Sanders. I just the cell on him to me looking at this from my standpoint here is that like untapped potential here because of the whole him sitting behind saquon Barkley at Penn State, you know, you look at the athleticism. He tested, you know, not amazing. But like good thing about him. I guess to me is that like I'm gonna redo here from what Thore Nystrom from rota world wrote about him. I think this kind of sums up mile cinders to me, and the quote is if Sanders hits his ceiling he's going to become one of the best backs in this class, perhaps even the very best. If it turns out that this is just sort of who he is than be solid enough committee guy eminently replaceable, and from you know, that seems kinda spot on for what I think of mile Sanders there, and that's kind of like what? So I don't think it'd be this horrible player for the kind of I kind of worry what if he's kind of just like window Smallwood, you know, in that sense of like, okay, kinda fine and probably. Than window small. But he's just not like the dynamic guy that you want him to be definitely needed to address this position in some kind of way in the draft. They needed. There was obvious need for some kind of pass catching running back who can make people miss to some extent in has some kind of allusive ability in me, no mile Sanders has that somewhat amazing PF had him thirteen in terms of yards after contact per attempt. Skillset he's able to kind of make some people miss sometimes. So I get it. In theory to some extent in Jordan Howard is a free agent after this year. So it's not like he was fully anyone as some kind of long-term answer here. So mile senders can be part of this rotation. He can potentially guess the hope would be, you know, take over as the one a guy in the rotation next year moving forward. But yeah, I don't know. I'm kinda I don't know how to fill this. Tell me more on it. Like if you can't. Yeah. Let's go through some strengths and weaknesses that. I have laid out here for a week and kind of get more full picture of what I. I saw from my evaluation which I worked a ton on Sanders because it was a very hard back to figure out maybe because of inexperienced, but some of the strengths. Let's talk about that. So he's a coiled up runner, right? He gets good power out of his cuts from gap to gab, very springy type guy. So I like that aspect he can get from one side of the gap to the other side of the gap. And then chain another cut together with it without losing speed. Which is a very nice trait to have a he payers that with really good balance. He keeps his pads over his knees. He's got a fishing footwork. He's ready to cut at all times favor that power that's fantastic. As he presses the line. He's ready to go. I would have liked to have seen better results in space in terms of making guys miss. But he definitely has flash in you, you quoted the staff there he is flashed the that ability because of the bursts that he carries into those customers it's not just at the line when he gets in space. He can chain those cuss together he can set guys up at speed, which was one of the more attractive traits of drill Henderson's game that I really liked. So they kind of have that in. Common which is nice. I mentioned his receiving production before being a minus. But the film shows in limited exposures that he's a guy with good hands that can make that can take some slot reps. If you need them to we just didn't get to see a whole lot of it. So you can have to see some improvement a fuller route tree on check downs. He was nice. And again, you get him in space and he's fine some of the weaknesses. I think he can be a bit impatient and get tunnel vision as he's pressing the line, and they get perhaps that was just inexperienced one year of starting experience. And that thankfully, also comes with low tread on the tires, but I feel overall that his vision as a back was lacking fumbles. We mentioned have to take care of the ball. You're gonna stay on the field. They're not gonna put up with that long pass, bro is my big bugaboo with him. Luckily, Howard's very strong in this regard. But I it's got to be improved upon for Sanders. It's a hole in his game. And I know people that are hearing that right now are groaning to themselves because of the issues that the eagles have had in that air. Area recently. So he has to have to clean that up. He's got to get better with his depth away engages with his hands dips his head sometimes and could get blown by. So that is one if I had to pick one area of his game that I would say is weak is trait. I would say it's his pass, bro. But as as far as what Thors said, I really liked that assessment. Because if he is just who he is right now, you're looking at a solid one b and that's okay. But really what you're looking for in the second round from from the running back position, which has a lower value than a lot of these other positions is just a higher impact build you. How would you say that he fits in the I if you could predict do you think he gets more carries than Jordan Howard this year? I don't think so I think you know, you have Howard here traded for him, especially if he's not going to be around long term one not run him into the ground. No. I'm not saying, you know during our twenty Gary per game guy. That's just not how eagles run their offense. Let's just you know, we haven't seen that you're in the Doug Peterson era. And I don't think we're out. To. So I still think Howard leads the way unless he struggles, you know, in in my house enders, not really come on as the season goes along the kinds of becomes a situation where you have to play him more. Mike clay from ESPN put out projection for miles. Anders the season. He has him at hundred seventy carries for seven hundred sixteen yards five touchdowns thirty five receptions for two hundred seventy nine yards one touchdown. So like, you know, a pretty that's pretty I think optimistic a little actually a little bit. But kind of their overall for what you can expect out of him. It's going back to what I said about small would like some of the things you said, isn't that kind of small issues like lack vision, fumbling issues Hasbro? Yeah passer. That's it's almost like you're describing announcement saying there is this player. But I'm just saying some of those things a little similar shin my head, and that's that's the part. I don't love the part of you love again, the part where I think eating try to sell yourself on these some myself on that the untapped. Henschel thing. You know, he's only twenty one. You know, he was sitting behind saquon Barkley, which is not a slight. That's you'll be the you can be incredibly good just because he's there like you're not gonna get that chance to shine because it's saquon Barkley it's kind of interesting evaluation because you look back to the two thousand seventeen draft in. What did we all think was put into the eagles production to a fault? You have to done on Humphry most productive running back in college history. So it's kind of interesting that they would go the opposite direction in this way. But apparently really loved him the short a lot of interest in him. They had him on a project. Visit do Staley apparently really liked him. They also talked to him at the combine Pol dumber. Which from the daily news that you will really liked Sanders lot leading up to the draft. So there's definitely a lot of smoke here around this one turned out to be true in this guy again in this the guy who they're taking, you know, this is the earliest running back. Harry rosement has ever taken. So I just think that's interesting. You're you're really putting himself out there. And be like, this is our guy. We like this guy a lot. And I just I hope he can meet up to the expectation because like you said like he can be this fine running back, and that's okay. But this is the second round pick. So that's a significant resource. So I hope he's pretty good. Yeah. Fans will not be happy with that. And you know, obviously, we have a lot of Penn State fans. That are also eagles fans that are probably hate, right? A right now saying you can book it he's star. I mean. Yeah. I mean, we all we're all rooting for this guy v if he's good. It's better for the eagles. You hope that's what it is. But you know, you mentioned small some some of the traits that are lacking. There. I will say that the defining trait between the two is that ability to cut because I think Smallwood like corners like dump truck and Sandra's able to get in and out and kind of has that slalom type footwork raking carry speed. And and it's real nice. There's a defining traits. Make you feel better. If you're worried about the Wendo Smallwood, comparison Beal g any last word on Sanders. Maybe you wanna grade. Pick before we take a break in go to our next election. Yes, all give you the grade from bleeding renascent that come first we did a poll as we always do in our articles on BGN and with just over three thousand votes. We have fifty three percent checking in a liked it the Penn State fans baby there represent lot of vans. Thirty five percent of the B. So it's eighty percent. Total beer better. And eight percent. See so people like to pick for me. I have to give it a be just from first glance. There's some things maybe that's generous. I don't know. I really don't know how to feel about this from from my opinion, this is not going to be a popular opinion. And I hate being negative. I'm probably going to give it a C. Just because there were so many other players of Vail lable on my board where the eagles could have gotten contributions from including again, another running back that we mentioned before Durell Henderson who I think is already a better receiver right now than seniors. Obviously Sanders has that ceiling that he could possibly reach as far as being a receiver goes of. I mean Henderson's got that one point four to ten yard split. But the bursted he's got I would have been more. Okay. With him there. I'm not gonna lie to anyone about my valuation and make you think that you know, everything is rosy right now. But I think we we've spoken honestly about Sanders about her his about his evaluation that I have on your opinion of him. I gave him a C you gave him a B hopefully process all wrong, and he is an a plus running back baby. Even. One. So when we come back, you're on bleeding relation BGN radio episode, forty eight we're gonna talk about the next selection at pick fifty seven in the second round right here on lead greenish everybody. Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. 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And we are back here on bleeding relation for BGN radio episode, forty eight myself joined by Beal may forever reign. Let's talk about this selection at fifty seven here. It was a surprise pick JJ or Sega Whiteside. The wide receiver out of Stanford six to two twenty five bigwigs span seventy nine seven eight inches. That's ninetieth percentile got long arms big catch radius. And I've said this on other shows I can confirm that at the Stanford pro day at least two scouts had him better than they reported four point four nine forty yard. Dash they had him at under four four. We're talking one Hatem at four three eight another scout had him at four three nine. Now is so lack has pointed out that's partly due to his track background. But the dude isn't slow which I think is the impression that a lot of people will get from him when they see a big wide receiver that they don't know much about. So let's dispel that. Rumor right now, this guy is not a slot. Out there. I the way this whole thing works out in a lot of people asked about the fit. Right. So it kinda reminds me of the pairing of maybe Mike Evans, and Chris Godwin or out, Sean, Jeffrey, and Brandon Marshall and that worked out pretty well. People forget that that tandem existed. I've had a ton of people asking about how he fits as you know. Bill g I wrote this article for bleeding green dot com that talked about what happens if they draft a big dude like JJ as tight that they were bringing in for official visits. They were bringing in like shiftier speedier slot type guys, including me, go Hormann who we can talk about what happened there. But my guess if I if I say right now that dishonor Jackson gets kicked into the slot more. Maybe I'm not saying like a whole lot maybe about thirty to forty percent. I think Nelson Adler is definitely on the block. We keep an eye on that moving forward. If Agla is gone that makes six hundred ten slot reps that left the building this off season. When you combine. Them with Tate and everybody else. This is a midseason herky-jerky transition style that we went through with Tate. We got a whole lot of time to figure out how all of this gels together as they work in JJ, and he's not expected to be a starter right away. And you just hope by the end of the year that he's giving you a contribution and showing some of the dominance, especially in the red zone that he showed in college g your instant reaction to the selection of JJ are cigarette side, you're the fifth thing. I guess was kind of where I added question about when I saw this. Because in kind of contrasting that to the mile Sanders thing like, I know why mile Sanders fits in on this team. Like, I know will start him. They had that need the wide receiver thing they didn't necessarily. They didn't have to get this guy. Right. It's not like they they have this leering need for exactly what he brings the table. At least how I saw it. So that was kinda made me curious about this one. So you look at who he is player and the talents. Clearly there you look at how you know, he. These third overall wide receiver. He was tense in yards per route run he had the third highest passer rating when targeted last year, and you are not about the speed thing there might in. He was tied for eleventh explosive place last year watching the sky, you know, he's definitely to be in the al-sham Jeffrey mode of throw up and let him catch. It figure it out. He is that basketball background and really kind of interesting to me. I'm wondering if eagles are kind of zigging or zagging, everyone say it when the rest of the league is beginning smaller in in China to find these guys who are quicker getting bigger like you have Zakar it's and Dallas Qatar, and I'll Sean Jeffrey now J J A W, which again, that's a whole another thing we need to figure out by the way at the day. I don't know what we're doing the nickname thing. It's too confusing. Some people wanna call him jaws. We can't call him jaws. Where do you have jaws? You can't you can't have Rhonda worse. He I'm reaching out searches. So, you know, I'm reaching out to my Stanford guy having heard back from yet. But I'm wondering a nickname. We don't necessarily know about this is the most important thing. I think he definitely needs to be asked about this. When he has project media post draft media here yet. So a lot of size with all these guys that's kind of interesting angle to this and just going at a larger thematical angle here are loading up on playmakers or helmet for Carson Wentz supporting cast call it what you will. And that's probably not by accident. I mean, I think they probably definitely want to surround personal with a lot of talent especially going into such a key year. Like he is this year. So I think some people will be like, hey, why are the you'll getting another guy who's kind of a jump ball receiver win? Carson doesn't. Always do that often. Jeffrey now, people are gonna question that I think people are gonna question, you know, the the athlete you said the speed was there, Mike, but you know, you look at the scouting reports. And they're like he's nothing run by defensive back. So in especially just because some of the other receivers they were looking at like, a Miko Hartman or Hollywood Brown. These guys figured, okay? They kind of want someone who's gonna have that deep speed any still, Sean, Sean also turns thirty three this year. And he's probably only going to be on the team realistically for one or two more seasons you signed through three more years. But you know, who knows if he makes it to the last year. So another interesting kind of thing here again, I'm not really sure had feel about just because the fit is interesting to me in enough Nadler angle is a big one. Obviously that we need to talk about. Now. Harry Roseman was asked about Adler and the rumors that have been out there to be clear. I guess we should say it's not that the eagles necessarily. Want to trade Nelson? I've lower in in terms of how these rumors have been phrased it's always been like they're open to offers. And even when Adam Schefter said tonight after the eagles drafted JJ here. So we'll see how that goes still. You know, I think it's still hardly lock that at Lord's going to be on the roster. Just because how he says it on a draft night press conference in April. So a lot of off season still for the season gets here. You know, there's the trade deadline in late October early November whenever it is. So so a lot of time for that to happen. If it does. So it's interesting I just into fits interesting here. And I'm not totally sure about what to make. I think your point about the brand Marshall awesome. Jeffrey thing is very interesting. I mean, all Sean head some of his best years there working across from Marshall. So I'm intrigued, but you know, I'm kind of also in this kind of wait-and-see mode. Yeah, that's fair. And look this weapons for Wentz partout when you really think about it with all the offense. Talent that they added not only in free agency. But now in the draft is well in all kinda give you my rundown on jayjay. I guess is what I'll call them for short right now, cigarette. Seidman you talk about his strength. So there's so much more to route running than typically it's talked about bullets get into some of that number one. He's got typewriter feet. They are quick. And he uses them really well to get in and out of cuts at a faster pace. A lot of big dudes uses his hands wealth throughout the route dumb, though, I'd like to see more of that to keep himself clean. He's got surprising lateral agility on film, and I all lot of that too technique, which doesn't lock his athleticism. So he gets in and out of his cuts doesn't really waste much motion the stacks and tracks with the best of in this class is all aided by his releases, which are super super clean. So, you know, we're talking about you know, he might not blow past the guy, but he's going to beat them on the release and then stack them, and then that is his world you combine all of that with the ability to create space act, the catch point he's. As a jump ball demon. He's a serious weapon in the red zone. I'm telling you if this guy is going to put himself in the best position to go up and get it, and he's going to be aggressive about it. So I mentioned the lateral Jillian goaded some weaknesses some of the hard Ingle cuts. Some of the comebacks curls. There's going to be a little extra step in there. And I don't know if I describe it as as a gear down, but there is an extra step there. It's just a product of the body type. But it's there these that and all and this is the biggest weakness he's not going to be a yards after catch wizard. It's just not his game. And it's probably is worse. Trade is kind of really like L, Sean in that regard. So overall, you're getting a guy that that's clean at the line. A dominating presence downfield in the red zone guy works on his craft. I love the players thirty eighth overall my board. He was my fourth wide receiver. I was pretty high on him, and I can pound table and prognosticate as much as I like, but we won't know until the rubber hits the road. And we understand how all of these different moving pieces right now throughout this draft process going into training camp preseason as a season starts how. All that meshes together. So the question is definitely out there. It's definitely warranted. I understand it. But from my point of view right now, the eagles got a really good football player at a great value. And I love it. So I'm gonna go ahead because of the concerns with the fit how it all works in. I'm going to give it a be even though it's a really good value for me Bill. Gee, what say you? Yeah. Wanna go again look back here at the leading green nation ratings. We have so far. And again, you can go vote for this yourself on in Greenwich dot com. Look for the articles with these polls in them, though with just over three thousand five hundred votes only eighteen percent say so pretty much the least popular you'll picked so far. Yes. Forty six percent say be so it's not viewed as some disaster pick. But there's twenty seven percent see, I guess we'll be minus for this one. Yeah. I just the fifth thing. I guess that's what I can't stop thinking about like, especially if you're is here. Still makes it. Weird. I guess I of get it in a long-term because also Jeffrey getting older and for as much as I love him to be around forever. You know, his contract. Also, pretty big one in the if they wanted to move on from that. I guess you know, there you have. I mean, how we Roseman is also talked about to that it takes out a develop these wide receiver. So maybe saying, you know, that's a big part of it. That's a great point, Mike. I think that's that's definitely something to consider. But I guess between this and the Sanders thing, I guess my overall take away from this night is like I'm not bummed in the sense of. I think these are terrible picks like would be the near chance at number six are the home runs that I wanted I guess not. And I think one of the biggest concerns one of my biggest annoyances with us last year was their lack of explosion. And I just wonder did that get better. I think it's not I already said cited that that about JJ's explosive plays. But is that going to translate to the NFL the yards after the catch isn't there, which I don't love because just last year felt like, and I said it multiple times you'll have the most tackle -able off. Offense in the NFL someone catch the ball and nothing's going to happen after that. There's just no or you know, someone gets out into open space running back and there's one offender needs to make him. Just never do. So it's just frustrating watch. I want that explosion. I want that speed. And now look deals got Sean Jackson back. But that's just one guy. You know, what it strong gets hurt? Like he's he hasn't played sixteen game seasons very often in his career. He hasn't always missed a ton of time. But still like I don't want him to be the only guy who can kind of bring that dynamism to the offense. So I guess that's kinda what I'm just kinda not thrilled about the fact that leading get these necessarily homerun hitters, you would have had in Miko Hartman or Anura Anderson. These guys who have a lot of speed. And I guess that's kind of why I'm a little bit disappointed in that way. In a dispute the B B B, minus for JJ as a whole over being this whole thing, you're including Dillard that was going to ask you about him. He is a slam dunk a for me. Yes. So overall. I guess I'm giving it to be as a whole Dillard in there a love the Dillard pick. So you didn't get to chime in on that when me me and Stolnis recording. But yeah, we were talking in this lack obviously made a lot of sense to both of us. Do you wanna cheer the listeners up say goodbye to them and professor love for Dillard and the listeners at the same time. I think that's a good way to start to move out of here may be some ratings out is. Yeah, I feel bad because people are going to don't man that podcasts with such a bummer. I didn't mean. Not our goal to bump people out. I think and again, I don't think I'm like, I'm not like all all hope is lost fire. How is not what I wanna give off? I'm just like I'm not as cited as I thought I might be which kinda has me relatively disappointed in that. I thought like you'll make it a guy that I was just going to be over the moon about and I throw a fit, and it was just like, oh, this is a no brainer. Like, these aren't that? For me. I'm kind of having to like think about them more. Maybe that's because I'm stupid. Offense, really doesn't I'm over complicating this in my head. But maybe it's just because you know, it's not the most obvious fit on paper and we'll see overall. But as always we appreciate you falling along here on weei nation dot com. All the written content, obviously online everyone's doing a great job with that you Mike Ben both end. Thrilling time select Alexis league Tyler everyone who's helping out the doing a great job on the site and the podcast as well. So definitely continue to fall long hair. We have a big day head of us Mike year in day three you'll may of two more picks though, so down how that goes. They potentially have nine picks next year. So they could they could always heavily dip into that. If they wanted to trade up into this year, or they trade or the trade big. So there's options, but yeah, we'll see with just two more pigs potentially to go. We'll see what they do here. We will catch you next time on BG radio. We appr-. She ate you. Tune in for the draft special. 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RTFF# 348: Nelson Sousa (Part 2)

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RTFF# 348: Nelson Sousa (Part 2)

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Let's dive into a couple of Houston. Texans. Running backs Dante Forman and Lamar the Teflon, Don, according to Evans Twitter handle at Evan Silva Miller. Yeah. Lamar Miller kills me. Because I always liked the kid since his days with Miami. And. He's just never he's been solid, but he's never put that big year together. And I don't think he ever will. I think he's kind of gotten a raw deal in Houston. Also because the offensive line hasn't been very good while he's been there. So I think he can catch the ball also out of the backfield. But I just don't know what to make of them. I think he kind of you know, what would he do with a big offense with a a good offensive line? I'm going to leave that one to Evan. Dante Forman is a guy that is a talented player coming off a serious injury. So you kind of have to take a wait and see approach see what he looks like reports have been good. But we got to see what he looks like come OTA's training camp. And see if he could emerge and give Miller run for his money. Yeah. I mean, Lamar Miller just. Somehow just survives every single off season. Never really faces a challenge. That's why I call them like the Teflon running back because he just he never even gets challenged. And he. I mean shoot like if you were going to run a statistical projection for Lamar Miller right now you're projecting him for like two hundred seventy five touches again. And so, you know, he he's not fun anymore. He was fun in Miami. But he hasn't been fun in in many years and he runs behind a bad offensive line. They added I mean, they're additions were because how we Roseman jumped them at in the first round there additions were like small school ofensive linemen, Titus Howard and MAC Scharping. I just I don't know how those guys are going to perform are they going to even be positive contributors in year one. And then Dante format. I mean, she we've talked about this for like a year. Now, you know went back and looked at the history of running backs that has torn their achilles. And literally no one has ever come back and been productive at the running. Back position coming off torn achilles. Now, the sample size is small. I mean, it's like ten to fifteen guys over the last ten years, which really tells me just NFL running backs. You know, you get to that level. Like, these guys don't tear their achilles their special kind of athletes, but still, you know, no one has ever come back at this position coming off this injuries. Very explosion sapping injury. According to doctors and. I'm not a fan of this backfield in general, I I know that it looks kind of good on April right now for Lamar Miller from a statistical projection standpoint, but I'm kind of tired of drafting alarm Miller. What about Derek Carr? Derek carr. You know Ross to me there's offenses that. I usually for fantasy purposes I just stay away from this team has added a lot of offense of pieces with in Tonio Brown, tyrel Williams. They drafted Josh Jacobs. I'm going to I'm going to take a contrarian approach this year with this offense. I'm gonna totally fade it, I'm I'm not feeling there with Gruden. I think this team has a lot of potential to blow up in a negative way. And I just don't know how that dynamic is going to work with Antonio Brown and Derek Carr. Derek Carr is not Ben Rothlisberger. And Antonio Brown can talk poorly about Rothlisberger in in. And this probably a lot of you know, things that negative things you can say about Big, Ben. But at the end of the day, the guy knows how to play quarterback in the NFL, and Derek Carr hasn't really figured it out. Just yet he's not at big Ben's level. So I think this offense has got a lot of potential to kind of just blow. Oh up and not really find their way there with Gruden and the pieces that they added, you know, new receivers cut go into new you know, a new offense in the off season. Usually it takes a year to Joe with these guys. So I don't know I'm leaving it alone. I'm just I don't like it something about their cars at least he's cheap. He's really cheap and drafts. That doesn't mean that. I next -sarily want him though, you know, we've talked in the past about how wide receivers changing teams offseason. How that just think it raises a red flag increases their bus potential and shoot they are essentially putting together an entirely new receiver core. It's not just one guy. I mean, it's the entire receiver. Core is going to be new guys Santoni. Oh, Brown's tyrel Williams. You know, I think the slot guy might be Ryan grant or hunter Renfro who they drafted out of. Clemson the tight end looks like it might be daring Waller who played wide receiver at Georgia Tech in new running back. Josh Jacobs who wasn't even a starter on his college team. I think you know, we've talked we've talked about him. I think he's a good talent. But we have not seen him handle a big. Workload you know, since like high school. So it's it's a boom bust offense. I think is maybe the best way to describe it could go really, well, it could all go. It could also go pretty poorly tough one to project their at least Derek cards cheap though. I mean, no one's no one's been overdrafted him or anything. How 'bout latavius Murray? Seemingly went in a pretty good spot down there in New Orleans that whole Mark Ingram. Saint situation was kind of weird Nelson. But latte Murray is the next man up behind Alvin Kamara down there in New Orleans. This might be a lazy approach on my part. But I I see this as a clear swap of Murray and Ingram. So I expect Murray to take on Ingram's workload as kind of like early down guy. See a few third down a little bit of passing down work every once in a while and get some go line. Which is on a really good offense. So I you know, what's not to like about Murray. I guess. Yeah. Huge on them. I'm huge on them. I think that see like it depends on on whom with you draft. But. He could be in an amazing value. If you could get it like an a seven three th-round now like on on draft dot com. It the ADP is super sharp there right now. I mean, he's a fifth round pick. So that's pretty early for latavius Murray. I haven't been able to get him very much so far. But I think he was a massive winter. You know, they didn't add anybody in the draft. Latavius was just a one for one exchange with Mark Ingram latavius Murray. You look over the past three years. No one in the NFL. Has more carries inside the phone? I've yard line. Multiple coaching staffs in the NFL have identified. The tavis Marie is a guy that they wanna give the rock in scoring position. And I think the saints are going to do the same and they don't see Alvin Kamara as a true feature back. So that's why they brought in latavius Murray. I think he was a huge winner from the off season. And then from fantasy from fantasy football standpoint is just can't be, you know, can we get him at a decent value? So far. I mean, his cost has been pretty high people are onto him. I can I can chime in on this too. Because I was I call on the sideline for Saint Redskins last year. And that was week five when Brees broke the record. But also it was when Mark Ingram came back from his four game suspension and talking with some of the saints coaches, they were really excited to have Ingram back because. Because they know how good Kamerhe is. They love Chimaera, but they're very cognizant of wearing him out running him into the ground using him too much him getting hurt and not being able to be this special dynamic player. He is. So I would agree with what both you guys just said there that is very much on their radar screen. They were so thankful that Ingram was back because they were so worried that Kamerhe was going to get hurt those first four weeks because they were going to use them too much. There's a little bit of insight there. What about Lamar Jackson that came to you Evan when you did the Twitter crowd sourcing from Zine Mitchell. Did you like Lamar Jackson after this draft a little bit more is he a winner for you Nelson. So I love the talent with Lamar Jackson. And I thought to myself that last year that it was probably going to take them a year or two. Two in the NFL because he came out just a little bit raw and we saw that last year towards the end of the season. And in the playoffs that he's raw in the passing game. And I'm leaving the door open because I think quarterbacks like him can definitely take the next step from one year to the next. They brought in marking room there. They have a good offensive line. And then I I love the receivers like miles boykin is like really underrated. When when you he stood out to me at the combine when I watched him which made me go back in in watch his film a little bit. And I didn't realize how athletes this kid was. So, you know, it's kinda like man he went to the ravens, you know, out of all the landing spots. He could have gone to it kinda put a damper on things a little bit for me. But in terms of like Lamar Jackson in like. Real NFL football, not fantasy wise. This was huge. You know that Hollywood Brown boykin. They came out of the draft with those two guys to help the offense because let's face it. This offense is going to be all about Ingram pounding the ball. Jackson running with the ball. And now they're going to be able to keep defenses honest with the speed of marquess Brown and boykin got speed on the outside with some size. So I think overall this it helps the offense. It helps Jackson. It helps Ingram. I just. We I got a I got to see what Jackson looks like if and just see if he could take that next step as a passer. They also added we'll deceive of their draft. I think they just wanted to get a lot more athletic lots faster offensively in. They added Justice hill, you know, number one spark score among all running backs that were even just so much as eligible for the draft. And he ran four four fly. This guy put Chris Carson on the bench at as a true freshman at Oklahoma state Justice hill is out here starting over Chris Carson who's like an above average NFL starting running back. So I I mean, I think the Justice hill can kind of be that chimera to Mark Ingram. Who's now in Baltimore. Mark Ingram was Mark Ingram. So and they got faster as you mentioned with marquees Brown and miles boykin outside. They added Ben powers from Oklahoma to challenge. Alex Lewis who's kind of been the weak link slash guy who has struggled with injuries on the ravens off. Offensive line yet. No question to me. Lamar Jackson has been off season winner. Also got the promotion for Greg Roman under whom tyrod Taylor and Colin Kaepernick had their best seasons. So yeah, I'm definitely in the supporting Amar Jackson camp from fantasy football standpoint this year. The last group of winners. We kinda talked about on last week's episode a little bit when we were talking about Kenyan, Drake. But this to was from Sean fos Nelson. And that's devante Parker and Kenny stills down in Miami. I don't know what to make of Parker instills just yet. You know, as you guys know him a big New England fan and follow them closely Blake every team. But obviously a lot more closer with the patriots. And with O'Shea going there. It's going to be interesting to see how they run their offense. I don't think there's enough. Their offense is not as dynamic in probably not gonna run as many snaps for Parker and still to both be viable. I think it's gonna be maybe one or the other. But I actually think that Albert Wilson might be the winner this off season in that offense and possibly sickie. So I, you know, I don't know how I feel about Parker instills as the winners. It might be another other two players in that offense that might be the winners. Yeah. I think that rubber Wilson is my favorite gotta pick right now. They're all going in the in the double digit round. So you're not having to pay a ton for any of them. And it's just gonna come down to who's going to riff with quarterback. Ryan Fitzpatrick k-, you know, knock them all you want to do super super aggressive. I think he's going to open. Season starting over Josh Rosen. And then they'll eventually kind of transition to Josh Rosen. Just because that's Patrick throws the ball to the other team a little bit too much. But I think he you know, he's probably gonna start out the season as the starter. And who is who does he show chemistry with I think he's gonna love Albert Wilson. So that's the guy that I'm kind of favoring right now. But you know, again, they're all going super late. You can kind of pick your poison with him. I do prefer Albert Wilson. Let's get to similar losers. So the winters took an episode and a half. It is interesting, isn't it that people are much more likely to send you the losers. Spo- Evan then the winners. I guess people are more excited about they want to be positive. I guess that's good. Some of the losers. Amp Mullins submitted Todd Gurley Nelson. As one of the losers. Yeah. I have to agree with that. Todd Gurley was on my fade list for this year. And with the Rams drafting Durell Henderson that just reaffirmed my opinion that there's a little bit of smoke there with girly and some warning flags when Los Angeles matched Malcolm Browne's offer from Detroit and brought him back. They got John Kelly there that kind of I kept track of that in. It was kind of interesting to see that whole thing play out. And then as I'm watching the draft one of my questions that was in the back of my mind was are the Rams going to take an early running back here? They probably don't need it, you know, with John Kelly and bringing back Malcolm Brown. So that was my opinion. But when they took the row Henderson early in the draft that you know. That raise the red flag to me. So I think girlies just a full fade this year. Hate to. I hate to agree, but you have to have to and you know, they they traded up for Durell Henderson, and they matched that offer sheet Tanaka Brown. They didn't have to do that. That's he's not, you know, they never invested anything in. He was an undrafted free agent. He was even there before McVeigh got there. You know? So. There are a bunch of red flags here with Todd Gurley. The reports are that he has arthritis in his knee even come out and said publicly that they can't use him. Like they've used him for the past two to three years. It's going to be really interesting to see whereas eighty p ends up because I I did a Twitter poll the other day. And just you know, trying to get people to predict where his is his average draft position going to end up in the vast majority of people said, hey, still a first rounder. So I think this is a little edge that we can get you know, let other people take him in the first round will take safer picks and just let other people deal with that hassle. I will say this to Evan. If you remember last year, I told her the red flag on Doug Baldwin as soon as they as soon as that came out. The Todd Gurley stuff swelling Mets. There's a reason why they're swelling in his name it. He's going to have to be managed probably for the rest of his career. Unfortunately, what about Darius Geiss Scott rich submitted. This one is that just because of Bryce love in the fourth round, you think Nelson. Yeah. I have to agree with this with this suggestion also because when you look at the offense in general, it's not an exciting offense. He's coming off an injury. They resigned Peterson. I believe they brought him back. If you remember, you know, from a couple years ago Adrian Peterson when he went to New Orleans and was kinda, you know, rotating with Ingram, and Kamara that didn't go too well for a guy like Adrian Peterson and everyone I think remembers sees the highlights of Peterson looking like he was ready to kill Sean Payton, and what's going to happen here in Washington. Do people actually think that Peterson came back to get like five touches a game and be Geis's backup. I don't think. So so when you look at that dynamic, you got Chris Thompson as the third down back. So guys is going to get passing down work. I I don't think so and then Bryce love from dynasty perspective. Because love I think is going to be a redshirt year for him. I loved him at Stanford. I think he's a dynamic running back. But. Coming off the injury. I think it's gonna take them a year, but for dynasty players, you know, next year love Thompsons going to be a free agent Peterson probably this could could potentially be as last year. So then people would say, hey, all right guys is going to get the row. But then you got love coming back from injury. I I don't like it. I he's another guy. Just stay away. Just leave it alone. Yeah. Even before the draft. I could not believe how early people have been taking Darius guys in in fantasy drafts. I mean like multiple rounds ahead of where I'd even start thinking about him. You've got Adrian Peterson. You've got Daria skies. You've got Chris Thompson. Now, you got Bryce love, you know, you got even semi J P Ryan that down the list. I mean, this is not a backfield that I want to invest in at the only guy that I've even considered drafting has been Chris Thomson in literally the last round as my Rb five R B six, but yeah, just stay away backfield until further notice. What about Eric Hebron Nelson? Chris Grumbach gave us that one. See this is getting boring for me because I like to be contrarian and and be able to try to play devil's advocate here. And I can't e- Braun is another good one. You know last year e Brown was value in drafts. And I love Debrecen last year in that offense this year. You have you had Devin funchess you add my favorite wide receiver in the whole draft. Paris campbell. You've got Jack Doyle coming back. E Braun is one of those guys that's going to go drafted a little too high for what I think he's going to end up doing because a lot of his fantasy value last year. I had a ton of Eric Brown. And a lot of his fantasy value was on touchdowns. He scored a lot of touchdowns and he had Jack Doyle who missed a good part of the season. So that helped me Brun this year, it you know, you can't count on those same touchdowns. So I think there's going to be some regression there. Let's get to do you have any eat Brown. Evan. Just full agreement. If you go back in adjust for games where Jack Doyle played last year, Eric Iran's playing time and targets sank. I mean hit rock bottom. So and he's another guy that I mean goodness. I can't believe people take this guy. Like the seventh eighth round. I would not even consider him until the fourteenth fifteenth round Eric Brown because there's a good chance that the guy's gonna be playing like twelve snaps a game. Because that's what he did last year. When when Jack Doyle was healthy. Let's get to Rex Burkhead. This is up here up your alley their Nelson as a patriots fan. Dill Esquire dill ask I don't know DIA L. Yes. Cues the one that said Burkhead. Yeah. He's another guy that. You always I'm always excited to see what Bella chick does each year. Because he he always seems like he's a step ahead of the NFL in terms of trends and how to. How to change change up schemes and things like that? And this year the patriots have had quite a bit of turnover in their offense with gronkowski retiring. That's a huge one. And I was kinda I'm kinda interested to see what they decide to do. And what the offense is gonna look like. And when the patriots go and draft Damien Harrison the third round when you look at their backfield, and you've got Sony Michelle coming off a really strong playoff run. And you've got James white there. And you've got Rex Burkhead and you bring in Brandon Bolden back from Miami. You one would think you don't need, you know, running backs not a priority here, and okay, if they took one maybe in the six round, you know, there's nothing to see here, whatever it's six round. But when you take a guy in the third round at running back. Back in a position that you would think that you don't need, you know, something's up here. You know? And I haven't you know, put exactly figured it out just yet. But I do know this much like Damian Harris is gonna probably play over birkhead if there's a Sony injury. Yeah. This Damian Harris pick just really pissed me off at the hand of taste three or at the end of day two. I'm like man birkhead. He's done in a on birkhead. I've been a birkhead truth for for a long time. But it's not good for birkhead. I I'm worried, you know, I guess they could keep five. I mean, they're definitely going to keep Bolden because they just paid him. They gave him guaranteed money. Obviously. Michelle isn't going anywhere. James white isn't going on anywhere Damon Harrison going anywhere is third round pick, you know, so they need to keep five for birkhead to to to stick. And I I'm worried man, I'm worried like the injuries can happen it cetera. But I mean, he's been good on special teams. I don't know. I I want him to sticks. So I'm super biased here. I probably wouldn't even comment. Well, he was really good for them at the end of the year. I think they are going to keep five or else they would trade one of them. They basically have like no tight ends right now. I mean, I just I think I think you might see more to running back sets. I think he's might see them use these guys more often in the slot with what their current wide receivers are right now as well. But interesting how about Markey's go one. This is also from dill esque Markey's going out in San Francisco with them taking deebo Samuel, and Jalen Hurd, Nelson love deebo Samuel. So I was really interested to see where Campbell and Samuel. We're going to go. And I think it's a great landing spot for him. I think Dante Pettis in his second year. You know is another guy. That's gonna command target so marquess Goodwin. I think is. You know, I think he's a great guy just following him throughout his career. And and following some of the off the field stuff that he's had to deal with you know, my my heart breaks for the guy. I think he's a great guy. But as far as when we're talking just purely fantasy wise, I think he's gonna be kind of stretched the field kind of guy in that offense. But he's not going to command a great amount of targets there. Now, you got George Kitto also. So I would probably tend to agree that he you know, he was probably a loser in the off season. Yeah. Forty Niners receiver core. Plus tight end core getting an running back corps shoot is going to be something that we're going to be working on all off season to try to figure out. I don't I don't have any great insight here we can move onto the next one. How about Jalen Samuels after the Steelers drafted Benny Snell. I mean how how high was same as people's fantasy radar to start now. That offense has always been a one back type of offense. You know, anytime Levy on bell miss time. It was the Angela Williams coming in. You know, James Connor basically got the whole workload last year until he went down. And then that's when Samuel's came in. So. You know, snow them drafting snow. I'm not really high on snow. I don't think snow's really that good. You know, ran a four six six at the combine. I don't think there's anything to see here. I think Samuels is. You know is fine. I think he keeps his spot. Yeah. Do they see Samuels as more of like a sort of a tight end? I mean, we're like h back or you know, I thought that was an interesting pick. I mean, that's pretty relatively either. Take a running back fourth round. And Benny Snell is just like he's a grinder. You know, he didn't catch a lot of passes in college. He's like, I think he's he might be the direct backup to James Connor. I think it did hurt Jalen Samuels. But it's also a situation that again, you know, we're going to have to cut a monitor through training camp in the preseason games who's lining up where Jalen Samuels came out of college. He was a pass catcher, you know. He was I mean, I think he had more catches than carries or something at NC state. I remember there was some statistic like that. So I don't know it's I'm going to have to keep continue to monitor situation. But it's going to be very interesting one. To monitor because we know how valuable running back in that offense is I mean, they're bringing back what four or five of their five starters from last year. If you're not counting Gilbert because they're bringing back filer because I think he had more starts last year than Marcus Gilbert. But yeah, definitely a situation a monitor closely behind James Connor, I think James Connor is a first round fantasy pick. And then the other guys are like late round fantasy picks but late round fantasy picks with upside. How 'bout Nelson how out Giovanni Bernard Cincinnati? Yeah. It's probably game over for him. I think with Cincinnati drafting Trayvon Williams who kind of fits the same mold of geo. And then them grabbing Rodney Anderson who you know, injury injuries aside. I think Rodney Anderson was one of the most talented running backs coming out of this draft. If not the most talented, so I see him if healthy as the clear backup to mixing and then for like, dynasty wise, Trayvon Williams is kind of going to be the guy that takes over for geo. And then when GIO becomes, you know, I just see it as a situation that, you know, Geos probably not long for Cincinnati. They also drafted Rodney Anderson in the six round super talented guy. But he's heard a lot. But still I mean, the them investing two running backs in they kind of gave us a tell on this last off season when they drafted Mark wall. Alton, and he of course, did not work out. I mean, he he's already out of the league. But now they draft to more running backs. It's almost like they're trying to push GIO out the door. So yeah, I, you know, that's the guy that maybe the buccaneers could try to acquire via trade for cheap. How about Corey Davis and Taylor Juan Taylor with the titans at proof-read meat. That's interesting Twitter. Handle proof, read me. What what do you got on the titans receivers? Yeah. I tend to agree with that. I'm Corey Davis sky. But I'm I'm disappointed in that situation there because it's probably going to be a low. There's going to be low passed down volume to go around. It's going to be a run game type of offense. And then when you go and add Adam Humphreys, and you sign him to a decent size contract. And then you draft AJ Brown. You know, this probably it's probably a situation to just leave all those receivers alone. And in probably concentrate on the on the backfield. Yeah. Let me throw this back to you. I mean, he's Derrick Henry A winter. You know, you look at the titans backfield they're bringing back to know. Louis didn't add anybody though. I mean, it's Derrick Henry Dion Lewis, David flu, Ellen Dalen, dock ins and Jerry MC mcnichols. That's literally there depth chart at running back. What do you think about Derrick Henry right now? Yeah. I think he's he's the winner of this off season. And I agree that, you know, Davis in in those guys are are definitely going to they just gonna eat into each other. You know, I don't think you're gonna see a consistent guy emerge out of that offense. Especially you got Delaney. Walker coming back. So I would say that. It's it's more about, you know, Henry for sure what about in. Baltimore would kind of talked about this with Lamar Jackson as a winner. But Gus Edwards, Kenneth Dixon. Nut not a great off-season for those two. No, not not at all. I mean, Mark Ingram. They signed the contract says he's going to be the guy, and it makes sense. They drafted Justice hill, although hill, I think of as if Ingram went down. I don't necessarily think he'll would be the guy that they'd be looking forward to grind in between the tackles. I think they brought him into kinda give that backfield at different dynamic and just get a little bit faster back there. So possibly Edwards or Dixon could emerge with an Ingram injury. But. Yeah. Not those guys are just clear backups. Yeah. I mean, it's it looks like four guys kind of candidates for touches actually think that Mark Ingram has gotten to the point where he's a little bit overrated. I think that people just see oh the run heavy offense. Oh, that's great for Marquette Ingraham. They're going to use two or three backs. And he's not going to catch passes. I mean, we and we've talked about this a lot over the years. Recei running backs that play in the same backfield as quarterbacks that run their catch potential goes way way down because the quarterback is likely to run the ball himself, then to shut down to the Rb. And you know, Mark Ingram is going to have a really low catch total. And I think he's going to have fewer carries than people anticipate and Gus Edwards is a huge loser. And Kenneth Dixon as a huge loser. I mean, not not a real life but in fantasy and that, you know, an adding Justice hill, I mean, that's just further cements them as losers from fantasy standpoint. Finally, we've got Ryan Reynolds submitted Patrick Mahomes, and I'm assuming that has a lot to do with the tyreek hill situation and less Shawn McCoy. Now that the bills seemingly have a million running backs. They got a younger Leshan McCoy supposedly in single Terry TJ Yeltsin's there, what do you agree on Mahomes and McCoy yet don't forget Frank gore also signed over there. So. I mean, forget McCoy. I mean, there's nothing to see there. He's a guy that shouldn't really be a target for anyone in in fantasy. And then as far as Mahomes, you know, it's kind of it's kind of interesting because he's coming off that monster season last year, and he's moved way up in drafts. But you know, he's lost some weapons there. So they drafted the, you know, hardman kid who's basically, I guess a spitting image of tyreek. But I look at him as he was kinda raw. You know at Georgia. So I I don't I don't know. I think this offense takes a step back possibly, and I could see where you know, they have Sammy Watkins who is a legit talent. So Mahomes is not gonna put up the year that he had last year. So there's going to be regression there. I don't know if I'm ready to call him, you know, a loser in the off season. But he definitely it. Put a dent in his potential this year. Yeah. Tyreek hill huge difference maker. So if they lose him that that's going to be it's gonna be a big deal. I think he's going to experience some natural regression. The problem with Patrick Mahomes is his draft position. Because this guy's going second and third round. And that's awfully high for a running for a quarterback we in. We we've gotten ourselves into trouble. You know, doing this kind of stuff historically with Shawn Watson Shawn Watson last year was drafted as a second or third round pick. And I mean, he was good. But he didn't really help you win fantasy games. You know, he didn't help you win fantasy weeks over your opponent. So you know, Patrick Mahomes is going to be a conundrum throughout the off season. I I would consider him a loser. So would I would too about which all McCoy is just not a guy that right now, I won't draft. You know, who's not a loser Nelson Susa is it Souso Sousa. It can be both got it. I like it versatile. See that's the kind of person. That's the number one. High stakes fantasy football player in the galaxy. 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Graham Barfield

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But just looking at your twitter profile I really don't like you very much because you have awesome hair like you've amazing hair, dude. Thank you so much Ross. Yeah I, don't I? Don't think I think this is our maiden voyage. It's nice to nice to meet you. Thanks for having me on Yeah, yards created has been. It's definitely a grind. That's certainly one way to put it Yeah, it's been this project I've undertaken now in the last five off seasons where? I basically chart any college running back coming into the NFL and. Try to find out some some fun things about how they how they went as players and excited. Talk to you guys about it today. Okay so let me dive a little bit deeper into that. Because, I've heard of this before but I want to have people understand what you actually do like. What does yard created mean? And how do you go about identifying for each player? Sheriff, yards created is the amount of yards running back gets on his own after the offensive line has or has not done its job, so the way to think of it is. On every play, the offensive line is opening up or not opening up holes in gaps for running back to get through in after the running back gets through the initial whole or creates behind the line of scrimmage to to get past the initial wave of the defense. Those are the yards that weren't back is creating on his own in the NFL when every player is. Super Athletic Superfast the margin, fair and the whole out small, even college football. There's something to be said. For players that are constantly creating on their own constantly you know making yards making moves on their own and enforcing the tackle, so I'm literally charting every every single play every single snap for six seven games pretty much half the season for usually about ten to twelve, running backs at the top of the Classen. It's. It's been a fun process. That's yielded some some good results so far. So. I'm sorry, Joe, yeah was just say how. How subjective! Is it. In other words, what's what sort of the margin of error and if Joe was like? You know what I'm. GonNa do a new stat called. Yards created two point. Oh and I'm going to do exact same thing gram does, but I'm going to what I'm just curious. How much of a difference you think that there would be. Probably a little bit. Football in in sports in general is an inherently subjective game I mean. If you just think about all the descriptive stats that we all talk about yards, receptions touched. Everybody agrees on those. But even a stat like yards after contact has drawn a lot of. Debate throughout the years simply because it's a subjective stat moral, using our is to measure it I'm sure if joe or anybody else yards credit a. Will probably would get some different results. The guys over at play, player profile or a chart yards gratitude, but they I think they do it a little bit different way. They treated as like any time running back Basically yards anytime runningback crates after they force tackle, so there's different different generations of yards created even out there and I, I think it's cool I think it's. A good a good learning tool for to think of running back in a different way. So? Graham I'm sorry. Rossa jumped all over you so excited to ask this question Graham. I think what one thing that's really important for people to understand is or for people to to know. You do this for college. Running backs coming into the NFL like you said there are differences, but my question is. Have you studied how predictive yards created has been for transitioning college player to the NFL, which obviously would have massive fantasy impact, or have you decided? It's been more descriptive, and and it hasn't really paid off for fantasy I. Know what the answer is, but I I WANNA make sure people understand what your process is here in how useful it is for fantasy football. Sure I think you know I went into this five years ago. Fully expecting it to be more of a descriptive thing like just basically scouting essentially. which players are creating more yards above? Expectation which players are forcing more miss tackles above expectation, and I think you know now that we have a five or sample I think we can say it's. It's fairly predictive. If you go to fantasy points dot com right now, click the research tab hit the yards created, but we have all the. All of the yards created on numbers up on site right now if you soar by yards, credit pretend to be look near the top of the the coffers here I mean it's it's a. who's who of the most talented backs other have come out the last couple of years Joe Mixed. Kenyan Drake Saquon Barkley Zeki will elliott all are in the top five of yards, creative tents. Alvin Kamara cream high Christian McCaffrey all near the top same with Dobbin Cook. I think done a pretty good job at not only identifying some of the top end rushers as clear cut best players in their class like saquon an like Zeke, but it's also illuminated some lower end. Guys Album Chimera cream on Christian McCaffrey. To a lesser extent, you know going deeper. Guys like Sony Michelle before he got hurt, were or good players that really popped in yards, created and You know there's definitely been some Mrs. In we can get into that too, but. By and large I think it's done a pretty decent job of illuminating. The most talented runners in the runners that are forcing the most miss tackles. Get into it for this year for the rookies. Who who's the WHO's the king? WHO's the guy from this year's group that set out to you in terms of? Yards, created. Yeah the number. One guy in the class was probably no one that you would expect Ross. Who was actually Anthony McFarland he? He led the class yards. Critic pretend at five point nine. That's actually right behind what Zeke did. We we can talk about Mcfarland a little bit. Wool will kind of transition flip back to the top five of this class in I'll start with with Jonathan Taylor for. Running back for the colts now he was fantastic at Wisconsin I. know that's not necessarily a bold take at all, but are doing my study I kind of went into it with. Guess a an idea that Wisconsin, offensive line the badgers kind of you know opened up more yards than you would expect in. You know. Taylor was a little bit of a product product of his office of line at scheme there but I kind of wasn't the case. Wisconsin actually opened up way. Fewer yards blocked per attempt in pretty much every back in this class like aged Dylan de Andrea, swift jk Dobbins Collider Brazil all had better off into blinds Taylor. In Taylor was dominant yards created. Fantastic. I, think he he's an underrated. Guy In terms of the not necessarily like a make. You miss type runner like lead over layer of. Christian McCaffrey was coming out, but certainly is strong in this tackles forced and. His credit metrics were fantastic. I mean huge, actually more efficient with out full back on the field, even though Wisconsin at afl back on the field on like a third of his carries an in this class, Taylor ranked third in yards, critter attempt shotgun, and he was first when Wisconsin had a quarterback under center so I I thought Jonathan Taylor was clear rb one coming into this class. Excuse me coming into the draft I expected him to be. One of the first two running backs off the board obviously play out that way, but I still went super early still went to a great landing spot. He is my number two running back in this class for for rookie dynasty drafts. Well let's get to the guy who I think's number. One gram and that's got to be quite Edwards Allaire and now play behind a really good offensive line I, think the LSU offensive line might be near the top ten. In terms of what you've ever charted, but even though his yards created metric is is mediocre, compared to some of the other guys I think according to your charging. He did a lot of things really well. That project exceptionally well to the Kansas City offense. So how do you feel about him from fantasy perspective? Absolutely. Not only charting every running play, also charting every passing play in Clyde Edwards layers pretty easily. The the best receiving back in this class in I'll take step further. He's one of the top three or four receivers that I've seen come out of college in. The five years that I've been doing this. I think he's. He's not in the Christian McCaffrey echelon, because no one else's Anne McCaffrey's in tier of his own as a receiver man ever delays really good I think he's under quickly. Talk about his running ability, because I think he's an underrated inside runner. In fact, he created more yards per attempt on his inside carries. DEANDRE SWIFT AJ, Dylan and Zach. Moss and all those guys are kind of. Expected to be strong inside runner so I. Think Edwards Brasileira has an underrated on inside running ability, even though he's, he's undersized, but. Man Like the what we want to see from him. This is catching passes out of the backfield and. I I. Frankly, I struggled to think of many backs out of McCaffrey. Who are better route runners than Edwards layer I mean. He was constantly creating separation for Joe. Borough making throws easy. Getting open at will against some of the best linebackers and safeties in the SEC. I absolutely loved Edwards Receipt Edwards `alerts are receiving ability and thought he had just a super super high floor coming into the drafts, simply because I knew he'd be heavily involved in the pass again, but now joe a we have this dream scenario where he gets drafted as a first running back drafted in the first round, pick goes to Andy Reid. Goes to the chiefs gets to play with Cuba God himself and Patrick, Mahomes and It's it's pretty much. It's pretty much exactly what you would want for fantasy in pretty much. Every back that we've seen in Kansas City play significant snaps. As been a topic running back, Jamaal Charles was. Top eight points per game back from back in two thousand and thirteen. Two Thousand Fifteen spins aware. A Nice little season to twenty sixteen when when Charles got hurt and kind of was nearing the end of his career and. Kareem Hunt was a topic. We're in Iraq. Two, thousand, seventeen, thousand, eighteen. We've all seen what Damian Williams has been able to produce healthy, so I'm very excited to see. How Edwards Allaire performs early into this year and I think. As the season progresses into twenty twenty, I think we'll see Edwards Allaire. Become a very very strong rb one simply because he will be just another mismatch nightmare fifth achieves to use underneath a pass catcher. So, here's a question. Graham that I'm understanding. So. I'm looking at your article. Fantasy points dot com I. Talk about all the time. Use The code feast. You sign up. You got the tier one. You call the Big Five. We've talked about Jonathan. Taylor you mentioned. Swift and Dobbins, but really dove into him yet. We got Edwards Hilar- you said earlier that the number. One guy in your metric was Anthony Mcfarland at five point, nine yards created per attempt I in the class yet. He's our B seven for you so I guess if I'm reading this article I'm saying. What am I missing like? You said it's predictive. The guy's number one. WHY IS HE R B seven if he's number one on yards created? Yeah those are I mean those are my I ranks so i. kind of you know I try to add in additional layers of context. Yes Anthony Macfarlane was very explosive on his touches. was a good runner in in terms of. Only yards created, but US I think fourth or fifth in the class and miss tackles forced, but. Rossi was never featured runner. At Maryland and coming in and watching his tape by I have the same questions I I, didn't know if he would be a guy that you kind of sent to your often surrounded in shovel, fifteen eighteen touches per game. I thought he might be a little bit of a change of pace back, so there's definitely a little bit of. Not only like. USAGE, usage kind of going into evaluations, but it's also like subjectivity to like how players profile and. You know I think having Anthony. McFarland seven pre-draft was kind of a bowl. Take I didn't really see McFarland anywhere near People's top tens and. I still have McFarland. RB seven now. These landed in a nice spot there in Pittsburgh to. Ramlet? Let's let's talk about some of your process. In terms of offensive line's vis-a-vis yards created so when you've done this and I'm sure this is something you've thought about quite a bit when you've done this process. Have you found that guy to play behind bad offensive lines or getting? More rewarded by your process and have you found that guys who played behind? Good offensive lines are getting more kind of dinged by your process and and my. My question would be here with Florida state because you know you and I both know both Alvin. Cooking camakers have had two of the worst offensive lines. We've seen for a major college program in the last number of years. Meanwhile, somebody like Derrick. Henry play behind an awesome offensive line and didn't rank so high on your metric. How do you deal with that? When you're when you're breaking down yards created and have you found? There's anything predictive in terms of. A guy playing behind a bad or good offensive line when it comes to the metric. Yes definitely I mean Obviously it's unlucky. That can makers and Tau Cook had to play behind just terrible often blinds or automate. If you again, if you pull up the research, TAB and fantasy points dot com I mean cam makers and talent cooker literally. Last and third from last in yards blocked. Pretend I'm so we. We know they struggle behind. Bad offensive lines and I think this yards created process kind of illuminates that are really gives good context to just how bad and it kind of gives a baseline to college football offensive line play one guy. In particular that I think is really interesting. Debate on this subject Joe is not clear from this classes last year's class. It's Durell Henderson. He was absolutely dominant behind a Memphis offense of line at Memphis scheme that that really opened up just massive running lanes for him, but he was still very explosive on his touches. I think this is this is a kind of an idea. I guess subject matter. I really haven't fully wrap my head around yet. Just balancing. Great offensive lines behind creative runners because. Josh Jacob's and Jacob Dobbins both had. Fantastic offensive lines like the top of my yards blocked metrics I mean both bags are highly creative in. Ranked really highly in terms of. Forcing this tackles on their own. Both were good receiver so I think it's one of those things with with offensive line. Play gotTA take. On a team by team basis in in really understand the team level context that went in behind that because. Sometimes, there's certainly teams where. Players have great off into plans and they still create yards above expected. And then there's times where you have a in Aj. Dylan Redeeming Harris type where they're behind a great offensive line, but they're less creative than you would expect. Yeah I. Guess That's that's what I wanted to know. I'd love to know any out liars. Particularly interested in Keyshawn Vaughn just going to the bucks with Brady and what you thought of him. I think everybody's interested in in Vaughan and what's GonNa? What's going to happen with this backfield? I liked what Keyshawn von was was. One of those guys were like I watched the first four or five games, and I was Kinda just like yeah I mean he can do everything pretty well. A, but he doesn't have really wants standout trait in the more that I watched. Actually went back and watched a few more games after I finished has yards credit sample just because they're landing spot? He got drafted a little bit earlier than I expected I kind of started liking him a little bit more. Simply because he played Kinda like camakers, he played on a really bad offensive line. Of there over there, Vanderbilt. Last year twenty two percent of his carries were stuffed pinal scrimmage for a loss that was like way low in college. Football is like one hundred tenth in the in the in the in college football in. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage on a twenty seven percent of his carries a came makers. Was the most in the class. Use context behind long scrimmage on nearly. A third of carries, but keyshawn von was still very creative granted. It was kind of an boom bust way sort of similar to Tevin Coleman. But he was second in class yards, critic attempts, and the the thing I come back to with Vaughn the Ross in one of the things that I think Ronald Jones has a little bit of an edge over him. Is Is. Joe Is definitely more a laterally allusive. Eighty four percent of keyshawn vons missed tackles came from either just running past a defender or going through them with power. He just doesn't have a ton of wiggle. And ton of agility I think Ronald. Jones is certainly better in that sense, but. Manam Yvonne is. He's got the size. He's got the speed and attacking running style to be a feature back in the NFL and I think. You Know Bruce Arians. Heavily investing in Vaughan, kind of shows you. where he wants to go with his running game. Graham one of the more surprising picks of the NFL draft was of the Green Bay packers well other than than drafting a quarterback in the first round, it was then going back in the second round in the deepest wide receiver draft that we've seen in years and taking a power running back when you can make the argument that the running back position with Aaron Jones and Jamaal, Williams was the strongest on the entire team last year of the strongest position. Position on the packers roster I mean, and then they come in, and they take. Aj Dylan, in the second round out of Boston College, and I know he's a player that you personally struggled with when you were watching him. Matter of fact, you would think that Matt. LEFLORE would probably views him as a Derrick Henry type of runner and looking at their yards created metrics. Graham shockingly similar between AJ Dylan in two thousand and twenty and Derrick Henry Twenty. Number One, can you make sense of the packers Jay Dillon pick, and did you learn any lessons from charting Derrick Henry when it came to watching Aj Dylan trying to rationalize what the packers did with that pick. Yeah so all of the packers picks in. This draft were surprising. Very surprising. Yeah I aged Dylan definitely got some buzz in quite a few Derrick Henry comparisons in the pre-draft process simply because he ran four five at like two hundred fifty pounds i. mean he's got just freakish size speed ability, but I mean you mentioned is yards credit profile? Was not very good. It's not good to be a aback. That doesn't create many yards on his own in his reliant on his offense of line, and that's sort of what Dylan ends. I mean he was number. One in this class Boston college was number. One in this class and yards blocked pretend. In Dylan was near the bottom second from last in the yards, creative pretend he was also last in this tackles forced per attempts You know I really struggled with Dylan because to me. He seemed he just seems like a guy who is always going to get the yards that blocks for him, but not much else. I did not see anything remotely close to what we saw from Derrick Henry on tape at Alabama. I thought I thought Henry had better burst I thought Henry had just enough wiggle to get past. Guys and we've seen that in the NFL. I don't know Dylan has that. Certainly very fast and straight line. Certainly powerful runner can grind out hard yards in between the tackles, but yeah I did not expect to see Taylor go off the board in the second round of the NFL draft and. Definitely a little bit of a perplexing pick because. Jones. Every time we've seen him. He's been. Ripping off strong plays in it's been one of the best. And most talented runners. In the NFL since he's bleak, so I'm not really sure what Dylan's role it's. GonNa be. It's GonNa. Be Interesting it'll be. It'll be interesting to see how many carries. He doesn't actually taking away from her Jones. Our last one for you Graham and again encourage everybody to check out graeme on twitter at Graham Barfield. He is part of the fantasy points crew, and there's a lot of them and we love 'em. You have no Benjamin as our be ten. You have them at the top of tier three right after the aforementioned keyshawn Vaughn I headed. Guys like Antonio Gibson Aj Dylan Josh Kelley, etc.. Yet. Benjamin was dead last in the class at less than three point, five yards created per attempt. How do you? How does that happen? How's IT happened that a guy is so bad at your metric yet you have them ranked higher than these other guys. Yeah I mean I had. I've had so in that article that was before the draft item and rb. Ten I've got away lower now. And I had him in that here with Antonio, Gibson and AJ Dylan. I thought they were kind of. In the same boat in terms of draft, capital obviously didn't play out that way Benjamin, Wynn. In the seventh round I like to Benjamin as a pass Catcher, though and I thought he might go a little bit earlier drafts simply because he was a great pass Catcher, a super inconsistent as runner very sized. But I thought he would go a little bit earlier in today's modern fell. A lot of teams are looking for these satellite back, so you can catch passes out of the backfield and and compete in. Benjamin is look I mean he's not a highly creative runner. The met my metrics Kinda show that but. He certainly is highly competitive runner. A He always was trying to turn out extra yards on his own always trying to fight for a few extra. A few extra yards and he was a great pass. Catcher me. He was third the third in this class in targets per game, a number one in routes run per game, and he was running more routes more nuanced around sometimes inclined Edwards Larry Than definitely went super late in the kind of berries for fantasy and our purposes, but for that article I did have them at rb ten simply because I thought he'd go a little bit earlier. And I liked his pass, catching ability above AJ Dylan's and a I love Antonio Gibson's tape. But. We've just seen such a saul small sample from him. MEMPHIS that I, it definitely left meal little bit just not only wanting morning more wanting to see more of it also I think it kind of opens up a little bit more. Variants in his, you know range of outcomes as pertains, NFL, and how successful Hopi. Graham, really appreciate the time. Thank you so much for coming on the show us. Thanks for having me Joe appreciating them about the time that he puts into the Joe Graham is. Money. 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RTFF #338: Hayden Winks

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RTFF #338: Hayden Winks

"And caller number nine for one million dollars Rita complete. This quote life is like a box of. Rita. You're cutting out. We need your answer. I like a. Oh, sorry. That's not what we were looking for onto caller number ten. Network. Got you glitched out of luck. Switch to boost Mobile's super reliable super fast nationwide network and get four lines each with unlimited gigs for just one hundred dollars a month. Plus get four free phones. Loose makes it easy to switch pitching. Makes it easy to save. In my Bella, sit down and get ready to consume an abundance of fantasy football knowledge from Russ Tucker and Evan Silva me so hungry on the fantasy feast evening podcast. Yeah, let's baby. It is the fantasy feast eating podcast, and if you are looking for a place to make your online wagers just go over to bed online dot AG, your online sportsbook experts use that promo code podcast one to get a fifty percent. Sign up bonus. He is Evan Silva. The master of all he oversees at rota world dot com and a self-described a f- lover check him out on Twitter at Evan Silva. We eat every week. This is a year round fantasy podcast a lot of podcast. Don't do that. We do because fantasy football never really south. Not only the af. But preparing for the next season the CEPA. Ration- is in the preparation, I'm Ross Tucker. Former NFL offensive linemen that loves fancy football loves when I can beat Evan head to head. We're going to have the winner of the Fancy Feast redraft league Anthony combs come on at one point this off season. This is part of the offseason. I really like when we bring you on different guests who offer a different perspective different stats different things that we should consider or take into account different player evaluations. Because you it's hard to do that. When you close to season you close the season. There's other stuff you start to dive into and Evans grades tiers of Evan mile line grade. So it's awesome in the off season to be able to really get some of this other information that could be the differentiator this season. So let's dive right into it. And along those lines very happy to welcome on today's guest as usual. The guest is a guy that Evan Silva says we gotta get this guy on he's all. Awesome. We've gotta get him on to talk about coming off a bye week talking about college prospects. His name is Hayden winks at Hayden wing. That's an amazing last name, by the way, and he works for rota world. Does that mean, by the way? Hey net. Evans, your boss. Yeah. He's definitely my boss. What's that like? I've been cool though, real quick actually got my career started. Because of this very podcast back in twenty seventeen. I was listening to you guys had a discussion about hosted by leaked performances. You guys didn't have data at the time. So I was like, okay. But let me collect some data over the weekend. And then I just tweeted at as in one day. He luckily saw my sweet said you wanted you guessed piece. I wrote a world, of course. And then that kind of led me getting onto wrote a world. Well, that's awesome. I love stories like that. Because I love when people go the extra mile for something. They're passionate about I try to tell people time. Like, that's the only way it's going to work. Guess the only way you're going to get these jobs because there's a lot of people that want them, and they're highly coveted. So you got to take the time to do some special and differentiate yourself, and then be able to go ahead. And and show what you can do. I love that by the way. Hey, what did you find? I mean, I'll let I've been what is your background? I in. Okay. So with my California, I went to USC defied on everybody, and I studied economics, so more math backgrounds. Minored in marketing. I always knew I wanted to get into sports. I just didn't know what capacity though, I intern at a sports agency up in LA called MVP sports group. They're a rod other holes didn't like that as much then I interned with USC aqua Dick's doing some basketball and baseball things. That's when I reached out to on Twitter, and then I started working for rota world for a little bit. Then I landed a position with the Los Angeles chargers. So I was with them for the twenty seventeen season, which was awesome learned a lot of things. That's cool people, and that was kind of a big deal just to get an NFL team on my resume and. Then afterwards. I knew I wanted to get back into more the writing. So that's when I reached back out through the world and stop brings us today. Okay. So I gotta ask you. Then what what job? Did you get with the chargers? How'd you get that? And and what did you do for them? So I was in their marketing department. So this was pretty unique. This was right. This is the first thing coming into LA. So this was fight for LA. There are a lot of a lot of bad, publicity and stuff. So it was kind of interesting to be on the inside of all of that stuff. See a game plan was a lot of a lot of things were new for everybody. And then we were just playing and that soccer stadium. Nobody ever been there. And it was their unique in just everything had to be accomplished like right away and nothing was set in stone. So it was great experience. Just from a business perspective. Then I met some met friend that's in the scouting department. So then I starting to learn some some things from him from what then they'll teams actually do. And. Yeah. Well, that's awesome, man. Very very cool. And now, what's your main focus? It wrote a world. So this year, I did preventing pieces for the NFL that was envy. T- rookie of the year passing yards leaders that type of stuff, and they did some NFL DFS pieces, but primarily I was with the college football side. I had a weekly basically what Evan does with the match ups. Call him on the NFL side. I was trying to replicate that college football that's growing, and then I blurred on both sides and after the season ended I've been going all in on the draft. Okay. Cool. So then I guess before I handed over to Evan my last question is going back to how you I got the job with Rhoda world. And how you first got on Evans radar. What did you find with guys coming off by weeks? Yeah. So you guys we're you guys are pretty much dead on. So at the time, I think there was a couple of players that were kinda just busting off of their by week. So what I did. And I looked at all the wide receivers. I went back a few years and post by the players either did really well or really bad. So there was a lot of there's a higher bus rate and post by then the other weeks of the season that was not too surprising for me. Just because I mean, if these players rushing, my do, you obviously know this better than I do, but I think getting rid them. And maybe the bye week my off of that. And I think coaches might change their game plan and that will throw off somebody that's kind of been hot recently. And maybe the by leaf will get him off there. Either. Their schedule or off their game plan. So you'll you'll see higher bus rate coming off the bye week. But there's also a higher ceiling. So some of these players that were kind of struggling going into the bye they can have a big week afterwards. So you'll kind of see what we call by modal graph. So people in the front end where there's like scoring less than six points, and then a higher ABC people scoring plus eighteen points. So I don't have the exact numbers in front of needed. That was that was the general idea. Awesome. And I'm glad I'm glad I really am into people doing the legwork for things. I don't feel like doing and proving me, right? So you're going to weigh in this world if you just keep doing that. Just keep listening to me just spout off opinions or thoughts without any information whatsoever to back it up, and then do the research get the numbers. And if it backs me up, let me know if it doesn't just forget about it. Don't worry about it. That way I can have data back to back me up. So no, that's awesome, man. And yeah, I look there's a lot of reasons it could be some of its rhythm. It depends on what they let the guys do for the by week and what those guys get into. And there's a lot of different factors that could be in play there for sure Evan. I'll let you have at it with your buddy. So I guess you kind of answered this. Hey, but I gotta ask you again. What is Evan like is a boss because he's terrible as a co host. I mean, he's just he's awful. So I can't imagine what he'd be like as a boss. A lot of saying they direct. I I talking. I was admittedly pretty nervous to talk to them that wasn't because of the person just had his following and stuff, and I was like, well, I'd like three hundred followers, and I'm talking to somebody who's actually moving the needle here. But like definitely direct want to get straight to the point. And like just show him showing the results like prove it. And then you'll be fine. I love it. So you haven't. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing I wanted to know is that usually the cab conversation weekly that we have about the post by performance isn't necessarily about specific players, although after eight did that research, then we really extended it to specific players because hey, you know, we had some evidence that it that it does that because that it does lead to higher variance results from fantasy wide receivers. But we usually talked about in terms of just how a team would perform and since we have really started to talk about that. I mean, I think we've kind of gone to the point where we understand why it may be an it's almost intuitive. We've gone to the point we kind of expect teams to either let down or just come out of the by, you know. Swags you're swinging full bore. And I think that it also kind of testament to that that the any reads to Tissot of how good he is coming off of. Oh by that's like a skill. And you know, how consistent that he is. Whereas a lot of teams and even now players as and showed. Are higher variants coming off of that that arrest week where they go see their family or they get out of their rhythm etcetera etcetera. But yeah, I think that's a really interesting conversation, and we've been able to kind of profit off of it when we talk about these games from sports betting standpoint. And certainly when we talk about wide receivers in DSS coming off of by weeks. So. Hayden you spent a year with an NFL team that actually doesn't have an analytics department. The chargers do not have an analytics department. They may be the only team in the NFL that doesn't have one. I think that they do use their GM may use analytics. But I think that they do not. Or I know for sure that they don't have a an analytics department, or at least as of last December, and you have done a bunch of analytical write-ups since the end of the season. Looking at statistics that were actually predictive toward NFL success. And you can anybody can go look at all these articles. They're all posted on rota world dot com under the the college football tab, or you can just go to eighteen weeks Twitter at eight and winks. He's got them all posted there. So. He after doing all this research after spending a year with an NFL team. What are your takeaways? What how do you think that NFL teams can use in Olympics during the NFL draft specifically? Yeah. So that gets into two parts younger player evaluations, and then everything else. So I think before you even get to your player evaluations, your post-season work. What where did where did you struggle where did you win? So I mean using any of the data points like Warren sharp will have to be the first step. So that definitely falls under the analytics branch, you can use that towards free agency predicting were players are going to how much they're gonna sign for you can use analytics doing that using past player contract. Then you have trading ticks. We've seen the research about trading back in the draft. So there's analytical work to be done there. And then you could be forecasting where players and be drafted. I'm going to be doing some of that that stuff in feature calms, I wrote a world just using composite big boards and mock drafts and stuff. There's some cooled predictive stuff that you can do with that. And then that's when you get into your clear evaluation. So even before you get into the Columbine. How does players did on the field? There's like three or four steps that you can be going through if you're going to be using analytics full-time, so then when you're getting into your player eve owls, obviously, I'm a ton of college football, data, the cultural data only gonna get bigger. It's nowhere near what we're used to with the NFL, but the NFL's teams probably have more access than what the public has. But regardless you can be building models off of his store data using on-field production on field efficiency, then you can move onto the Columbine. There are positions that combine matters there con positions where the combine largely doesn't matter. And that's where I think combining the combine. With how they produce on field. You can build some pretty cool models on testing a bunch. I'm gonna get all the data for these players. And then I'm going to be building an analytics top three hundred board. I've never seen one. They could be out there. But it's going to be purely based on analytics using models and additional value and all that stuff. So there's there's a lot of steps that you can be taking. I hope that all these teams are taking them. I'm sure some teams are much better than others. But it just comes down to using the historical data, and then valuing whatever new metrics, you can get that don't have the circle data. So you can't put those in your models. But it's still hold relevance. So there's new companies SIS sports info solutions, pro football, focus, these companies have awesome new metrics. And then it's just about. Valuing where you put those into the equation. I love the idea of. Teams trying to figure out ways to predict what other teams are going to do in the draft. You know? And I mean, whenever we going to get to the point where you can definitely predict what another team is going to do with like a very high level of certainty. But if they do start to invest in, you know, ways to be able to predict to out predict their opponents in the draft that they could create an advantage like a foresight having advantage. And you know, be able to maybe -ticipant what their opponents are going to do in the draft in, you know, just any little competitive advantage can wind up giving a team a large advantage. You know in a in a league where to win the Super Bowl. You gotta finish first out of thirty two. That's hard to do. You know, that's hard to do in any field to finish first at thirty two. And so me to try to figure out all the different ways that you can get an advantage. Like, this compensatory thing that compensatory draft pick thing right now is a huge advantage. That teams like the patriots in the eagles have been able to exploit Ross wrote about it. I think last November December for the ethnic, and he was like, you know, it's just gotten to the point where it's it's working against parody in the NFL. And smart teams are like crushing it. And a lot of teams just totally ignore it. And they're like, oh, you know. Hey, if we get a compensatory pick. Oh, great. You know? But like a lot of teams are like, yo we're going to use this to our advantage and know that can be applied to a lot of different areas in the NFL. And the smart teams are looking into all those areas where they can carve out an advantage in like Trenton being able to predict the draft better than your opponent and make anticipatory moves based off of that could be kind of a new frontier. So I think that that's really interesting that you brought that up. So what were your main take? So you did all these articles like on every position. I think even defense. I just read the offensive one. Sorry. Sorry hayden. But I did that everybody. So but you wrote this big series. And what were your main takeaways for the offensive skill positions quarterback running back wide receiver and tight end. I felt sorry with the quarterback though. Basically what I did use historical data. And then I just grabbed your basic college football stats like the one that you'd be accustomed to yards. Touchdown some of those metrics, and then I looked at a bunch of NFL stats, and then I saw what correlates with what? So you can look at for example, the quarterbacks you can see their touchdown rate and college and how correlated that is with their touchdown rate in the NFL or their touchdown interception ratio or fantasy points per game. So there's these cool charts. If you look at them, you'll see dark green versus like light-colored things. It's not really obviously good to any of the articles. And look I them. So specifically for the quarterbacks one thing that was obvious was heightened wait. There's basically no correlation. There are some. Selection bias issues without that taller quarterbacks. And get more opportunities, even if they're bad and smaller quarterbacks aren't gonna get -tunities unless they're really good. So there are some issues with that. But overall, you don't be a trend that that bigger quarterbacks are better than smaller quarterbacks hand size largely found. Didn't matter some guys like Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes there on the smaller side of the hand scale. And they've obviously been fantastic. And then for the NFL combine fall velocity that was pretty important for the quarterback evaluation, especially if you're looking at NFL interception ratio the slower you throw the ball the more interceptions. You have which makes sense within the law of the perimeter dot balls hanging in the air. Some get picked the sing. Metric that I found most correlated to NFL success with college fantasy points per game that still wasn't strong. But that was just interesting just overall production marker just for reference, Kylie, Marie average thirty five point eight fancy points regain this year. So I am pretty bullish on him. We'll get him later recorded backs. You're rushing production in college is translates to the NFL very well. So very rarely are gonna get somebody that wasn't running college. It's gonna run so. Yeah, that's basically at the NFL Columbine doesn't matter outside of the bulb loss city and the actual thrown drills for quarterbacks and you're going to want some production. I have a minimums. Call a column as well where you can see which quarterbacks from this class hails. Meet different metrics historical metrics. That's also I wrote a world, but let's go onto running back. You have it's. Kind of hit and miss a lot of these players. You'll see talking big picture. They had great college seasons when they were young eighteen nineteen twenty years old. That's when they have these breakout years the running backs they usually have a larger fair of their carries in yards. But there are some outliers. You get your Calvin Alvin Kamara is of the world that throw out all these models. And that's where a lot of the debate is with Josh Jacobs this year at some other running backs we get Saddam later. But overall you want production from your running backs the NFL combine matters a little bit more, but it's largely overrated. So we kind of see this with the F S a lot of last year. Streams of some things, it's marginally doesn't matter. So with running backs as long as you don't run like a force seven forty. You're gonna be fine there. There's no evidence that a faster forty time necessarily means you're and be better in the NFL. But we need to be voiding players that test really poorly overall theme for basically for every player offense and defense every position moving onto wide receivers it is very market share driven. So that's just percentages percentage of yards receptions touchdowns that a player had with his percentage of his yards receptions touchdowns of his team that was huge p p r points in college matters a little bit. And then I found the NFL combine mattering less for receiver than with running backs. I think it's kinda hard to. All these receivers under one category, though, because you have I mean there's divisions within additions for wide receiver. So if you grouping in a six six receiver with a five eight receiver, of course, the combines gonna matter at different rates and for different drills. So one one idea to move the needle forward for NFL draft. Analytics is to be breaking down these positions. More and more. You can't be grouping in all edge rushers together. They're just too many different kinds of address you can get that with off. It's of line as well. So I think that's the next step is to there's enough data to get smaller and smaller groupings, so you can croup one one project is like to find the slot receivers and just like only have draft analytics I slot receivers instead of all the wide receivers. But when you're looking at the. The combine the broad jumps matters a little bit not too much though. But yeah, everything else is pretty straightforward that that defensive positions. The Columbine matters. A lot off until line was less important. I think there's a lot of football IQ that goes into playing off at the line, maybe more so than other physicians and the coal mines and not going to be reflected that there are NFL minimums NFL combine into moves that matter, but yeah, I mean, it's just it kind of you have to go back the dish in. So I did. So at the I wrote a world you can find all the things acts information there. But yeah, it's pretty interesting. Just. If you look at it just by a single position there some things that immediately pop off that matter and something that don't, but we kind of as a community lump everything together. And that's where I think the edges are. Great stuff grace off. So I thought it was really interesting point about the offensive line. How it might be more of like a football intelligence position. Do you have any thoughts on that Ross that the NFL combine might not how to raise much for for offense of linemen any just general thoughts on that? Well, so I'm trying not to be biased because I sucked at the physical testing for like my Panova. I was even vited to combine. I wrote about that in my article this week at the athletic, but the pro day those type of things were not those were not my jam. I was much better in terms of you know, I kinda got by for my seven years with my football intelligence and effort, I think those were the biggest things in my my willingness to be violent. I would say that. If you had to tell me three numbers that I would care about from the combine for offense lineman. It would be their ten yards split in the forty because that's a pretty good indication of how quickly they get outta their stance. Like how much force they can generate in a short area. I also think the short shuttle is important because it talks it shows you about changing direction and again short explosive movements, which is what offense of line is. And then I would say arm length, and I can just tell you. I was pretty good like average to above average in the ten and the short shuttle, and I was below average like everything else. And so maybe that's my bias. But I just if you look at people, and if you look at historically I feel like those the numbers that matter the most now I had really short arms, which I think greatly negatively affected my career. And my ability to have been a better player. So people say to me. Hey Ross, you know, if you went back and play the game, we can make you a little taller that'll faster little whatever I'd probably say a little bit better technique. But then I'd also say if you're talking about a physical characteristic a little bit better on a little bit longer arms. But I think your instincts. Hey, nah, right on that. I mean, I can't tell you. How many guys I've seen that could bench press hundred pounds and sucked? Right. And they just didn't know what they were doing so much of it is thinking what's going to happen? Knowing what's going to happen. Seeing it in front of you seeing the clues your technique. And so that's why I was able to to hang for a while. I really think a lot of its football intelligence and a lot of it is your technique. And then a lot of it's just mental mental toughness to be able to keep battling all day every day. No matter what. So I think you're I think you're right on it. Hayden. Jay, laying of the Detroit Lions formerly Green Bay Packers recently. And you know, he said a lot of a lot of very similar things. He was a guy who kind of like Ross. Has played like every position and he talked about how like with offense environments so much of it comes down to like consistency. So, you know, when you talk about things like technique, and, you know, just like the the the willingness to do it down after down, and like, you know, if you're a wide receiver, and you have you have a drop in a game you play sixty snaps. Let's say you have a drop in a game. You run a bad route in you know, you run a bad route in the same game screwed up twice. And it's kind of not really that big of a deal, you know. But if if you're an offensive lineman, and you screw up two or three times in a game. Like that can be a really big deal. So you know, you get your quarterback sack. You know, you're you're running back thrown for a tackle for loss. And you're getting highlighted on those plays. So you know, it can be it can be a goat that consistency is so important. Hey, no, what I wanted to Jamie in. A couple more questions here. How do you view the two thousand nineteen quarterback class? It's I feel like every day. It goes back and forth. We'll see that. There's really only to qualify. First round quality quarterbacks in this class. Or, you know, sometimes we'll see hey, there's going to be four first round quarterbacks in this class. So, but what are your take after what is your take off paying close attention during the two thousand eighteen college football season and doing these analytical write ups on the position it self after the season. So I see as a big three with the top two. Kyla marine twain the Haskins ahead. I would I'm not sure if I would be completely comfortable putting drew lock in the first round. But I think he's he's worthy of a pay with the big arm. And hid on target. Accuracy, throwing deep is really strong. And he the guy that's willing to just put it out there. So I would consider him in the top three. Daniels. Jones is the fourth guy who might get drafted higher. I think you'll end up being a first round pick just because quarterback moved off. So I think there's going to be four quarterbacks. But to me is Carla Mary number one his numbers are just really they're just they're silly. Honestly, he averaged thirteen adjusted yard per attempt that is basically unheard of. He was first touchdown rate. I and marginal efficiency, I mar Deloitte explosion. He ran for a thousand yards. They're outside of his height and weight, which I struggled believe actually going to be too. Big of an issue for them. I don't see any flaws in his game at all from the statistics perspective Dan between Haskins. He was basically finishing number two in all these metrics. He was first in touchdown interception. Ratio second touchdown percentage. Second in marginal efficiency. He doesn't run at all. Despite what Stephen Smith was saying. But he's going to be a quarterback. I think that's going to go top five. Let's he some teams going to be trading up for them. And then drew lock will come somewhere round pick ten or so and then Daniel Jones, I think it's going to end up. Sliding in somewhere in the first round. So those are your big guys. And then everybody else is a backup quarterback to me. I think it's actually played a pretty solid backup quarterback class. I'm not sure how much that matters. But there guys out there that should hang around the league. I'm not sure they're worthy of starting but you're will Greer's geared systems. Ryan Finley all these guys might be able to hang around backup players really really excited about this year's backup quarterback class. Oh, yeah. Which running backs or? Stood out to you in your when you did your running back right up. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to little low on David Montgomery. Yeah. You're right about that. David Montgomery was the only NFL Combi combine invite that didn't have a non at don't touch down. So his let me look up big back number. She had two hundred two carries. I were out outside of the red zone. No touchdowns. Every single other player had at least one you have some guys that have a touchdown right at seven percents, your Terrell Henderson's Justice hills that kind of stat that I want to look at for showing like long distance speed and break away just your ability to break away. And I'm not sure. If he has a noth- of that to be considered elite running back. I don't dislike him, but. He's going to be probably closer to like RV five or so for me, the tough guys Josh Jacobs is gonna go. Hi. And the draft probably a first round pick. He's only running back has a chance to go. First round some analysts having inside the top Penn. I wouldn't go as far as doing that. But he's a strong lucid back high broken taco percentage. He was third in the class and broken taco percentage. Obviously that's going to be one of the best statue can look at e had the highest difference in touchdown rate versus teammates. So this is this is a staff that I've been using. And I found it a very predictive how well you do get your teammates that I could be with yards per carry or touchdown rate sauce Jakup up this first in that category. He's also could catch passes. He had a beautiful over the shoulder catch and one of his games. So I I would put him close to the top Durell Henderson probably finished first. And basically every category. I was looking at when I was writing his report up I literally just listed off every category. He'd been his first in but we're looking at yard Dafa contact how good he did versus his teammates. His marginal efficiencies marginal explosion. He was first in percentage of carry that went for over twenty yards person percentage of Kerry's win over eight yards. He averaged nine point nine yards per carry on his not non bed don't carry. That's like that's really going crazy. So he's going to be high on my list. Devon single Terry led the class and broken cockles highest broken taco percentage. He has incredible jump cuts. He was. Second in touchdowns versus teammates and just an overall quality back. I hope he can show in the Columbine is able to catch passes. So I'm going to be excited about him. And then you have cave you on Williams had tested. Well, mile Sanders. Justice hill, lie Holyfield, Dexter Williams, Damian Harris, so that's kind of between the crop of the cost. Yeah. I just jumped into watching the running the some of the guys in the running back class, and we did a podcast on with Josh Norris in myself at wrote a world the things you you mentioned about David Montgomery having zero touchdowns outside of the red zone. Like that shows up absolutely in his games. I mean, he gets caught from behind all the time. He does look a little slow getting to the corner. I still I think he's going to be good because he can break tackles, and it can catch passes in those are the best indicators of success going from college to college to to the pros, you know, just in terms of like just Rawl abilities. But there's no question that the dude like has a speed shortage. And I think that we could seem kind of tumble if he runs. Like four seven at the combine, which I think that it might happen. I mean, I think that I think right now I would put him at like in the four six two four six flats of four six eight range in terms of like expectation. And I think the four six eight two four seven could really hurt him. Devon single Terry mentioned man, he is explosive. And then. Yeah, Josh Jacobs. I mean, I think that he he probably is the cream of the crop one last thing, and we'll get you out of here. Hayden. Have you started to look at NFL combine or NFL draft prop bets yet though? I placed a couple let me he pulled them up right now. Cuyler mary. I'm not sure if you can end up running the the forty yard dash but over four point four, two seconds. I'm much of that picture each had put on weight. I think he's trying to go for Russell Wilson to be heavier than Russell Wilson was at the Columbine shootings two hundred and four pounds. So I'm not sure if he's going to be able to run fast, he was Daniel Jones under four point seven, five seconds. He had a long run that showed off some long speed. I think we'll beat that by a little bit Dwayne Haskins over four point seven one seconds. I think it will be closer than four eight Andy Isabella. So this is a little dude out of Hugh mass. He flies. He was in a track meet against Denzel ward a couple years ago and beat him. And and that track event he could be running in the high for two so. Like four three two. I want to say. Yeah. Yeah. Isabelle is going to be a guy that I'm going to be chasing. Rashawn Gary under four six five seconds. Devon, white under four point five five seconds. Those two are going to test pretty well highly thought of in the scouting world as well. And then greedy Williams, I'm the go over four point three seconds. So those your combine props and then real quick some draft cross them looking at looking forward Dwayne Haskins. You can get plus odd that I overall tick I could see the cardinals trading that pick. Whether it's the giants are the Jaguars. You can get plus ause on like that. I like that as well. Hey, and really appreciate you coming on the show again checkout. 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BGN Radio #47: The Eagles Select Andre Dillard!

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31:42 min | 1 year ago

BGN Radio #47: The Eagles Select Andre Dillard!

"You're listening to BT and radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles test with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Hello leading green nation and welcome back to radio. This is episode number forty seven. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis, and we're recording this in the middle of the first round actually towards the end of the first round of the NFL draft. The eagles have just made their selection and joining me to talk about it is the man from the Kistin Solex show. He's also with bleeding green nation dot com. Michael kissed you can follow him on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. I got your Twitter name right there. Didn't I bunny? Yeah. You got it, man. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, it's we tweet each other all the time. But it's not I'm not as used to say like at brand and Gouten, you know, who's who's doing the hard work on the website right now. And obviously, you know, he'll be chatting with you guys on some podcasts here over the weekend. And as the as the draft continues, but we wanted to get a rapid reaction pod. Cast up after the eagles picked and they picked a little bit sooner than we were expecting Mike because they moved up three spots in the first round from twenty five to twenty two and select Andre Dillard, offensive tackle out of Washington state. They gave up a fourth in a six this year to to move up those three spots, and Michael I think we are both over the moon at this election, just really solid player at a position where I think this team is obviously going to need a new left tackle here in the very near future. What's great about this, John is the fact that I had a BG dress special BGN dress special number two with Brandon thorn to talk about offensive tackles and Brandon's one of the best minds when it comes to offense of Lyman. He was out the oil mastermind summit with Duke, Manny weather training there with with lane Johnson. Toronto Armstead and all that stuff. So we talked about these draft prospects, and we got to Andre Dillard, we were both a little bit lower on him than like the first crop of offense of tackles there. But then we talked about. Where would be his best fit? And we said it had to be somewhere like a place like Philadelphia with a coach like Jeff stout. Lynn who has a history of developing linemen because at Washington state. He was only asked to do so much at that in that scheme. So he did need some development. We saw some development his hands route the year, we washed him in a linear fashion and said, we can see these things improving throughout the year. He's trying new things they're working for him. So in only that you get a super super athletic offensive tackle as far as any the offensive tackles in this draft, he fit what the eagles like at taco position. I mean for a long time for his career. Jason Peters was an elite athlete lane. Johnson still an elite athlete at the tackle position. And now you throw in Dillard, who you don't have to switch somebody like Cody Ford from right tackle to left tackle or anything like that. He's played left tackle you fit him in there. And you are really cooking. I love the fit with Dillard, Jeff stout lent to be able to develop him he doesn't need to start right away. Which is awesome. But offense tackles obsession I've been pounding the table for for the last couple years because of the situations they've been put themselves in and now they have their bodyguard point o of future. It's awesome. And I'm super happy yet. Carson went tested be ecstatic here. I mean, obviously all the playmakers that he has around him now through the trade trade market and free agency this year has certainly helped. But now he knows I think that he's got a guy guarding his backside who will will Abeille replace Jason Jason Peters is a hall of Famer. So me saying that, you know, we've got a a Jason Peters quote unquote replacement here is not doing Andre Dillard any favors just yet. But obviously like you said there's some there's some work to be done here. But the goal is that he will be he will take over at left tackle for Jason Peters. What are some of the things they need to work on though with Jeff stout lend this year as obviously he's going to be second-string probably third string unless they trade big V. Right. Yeah. And I think trading big is definitely on the table. Now. Consider. Being that they want to develop Jordan my lot of behind him. That's something we talked about on the kissed and Solex show if they did draft a tackle early that big V would probably be on the trade bloc. So we'll see how this develops route the weekend. And if a move happens, Dan, or if it happens later, but I think you can definitely get some value out of him. And then you can protect your to my lotto without having to keep too many offense lineman on there. But as far as Dillard goes with his development at Washington state. He was asked to take a lot of the same says a lot of Saint vertical sets in that offense. Now, what you're going to see is he's going at learn angle sets and jumps sets and these different things that go along with that. But you know, he has time to be able to learn those which is again just makes the fit that much. Even better does not the start right away as with a with a coach and just outlined that has developed offense of Lyman in college since I think nineteen eighty eight summer around there. So the variety in the past sets wasn't there on film. And that's why he was a really hard evil for me. Because I wasn't sure how much was translatable to the NFL. But then you watch him at the at the NFL combine in the way that the guide move. In the fluidity and the flexibility throughout his body. I don't think there's a pass it. That's really going to give him an issue. We just never really got to see it at Washington state. So, you know, again some development needed, but the mold of clay that we have now given Jeff stout. Lynn is a really really pretty one. And it's interesting because we can talk about the value. Add for what they gave up to trade up the Houston Texans were so desperate to offense of tackle that. If the eagles wanted Dillard, they had to be aggressive and move up and go get him because as you saw on the next pick tight Howard from Alabama state went to the Houston, Texas. No one saw him as a first round really started getting first round buzz. I want to say maybe a couple of days ago, and even then I felt like a massive reach like that guy's super on refine light. Yeah. Houston Texans should be jailed for not jumping up and go and Dillard, if they wanted them, and then they panicked. It seems took Titus Howard who tied us. Our would have been like an option for the eagles. And I mean, I was a mocking them there around four month ago. So yeah, it's fascinating to me. How? That all worked out, but you know, again, going back to Dillard, this guy even with the southeast to work on the lower level competitions. Let's keep in mind. I think the best pass rate. He saw last year was just Hollins out of Oregon is going to be a day three guy. Now he'll raised him from the game. But he hasn't seen the different types of rusher than let's say a Jona Williams has seen in the SEC, you know, for years, but on the positive side you look at the analytical profile for Andre Dillard point four four percent blow block percentage on pass reps. That is the lowest in the class per these sports info solutions two thousand nineteen rookie handbooks those good things to work with their no doubt. And this is obviously a guy that the eagles really really liked. I wonder how high they had him up on their draft board because the at at a certain point it looked like the way the board was falling that the eagles had a number of players that they could have selected at twenty-five. They could've even probably traded down a couple of spots. Because there were there were enough players there that made sense as as fits for the eagles that kind of fit there. Scheme. You know, we heard a lot about wide receivers in the in the first round the eagles looking in a lot of those guys. But obviously seeing Dillard fall to the early twenties where he did he had to be really high up on how a Roseman and Joe Douglas draft board in order for them to to to give a fourth in a six because you know, that's not a small price to pay. When you consider. The fact the eagles don't have a third round or this year. So it's gonna make days two and three a little bit later. But, but like you said when you know that you have to get ahead of a team that's a fourth and a sixth rounder. Okay. You know, you make that move and you go up and you get Jason Peters replacement after after next season is is there any part of you. That's a little disappointed that they didn't get somebody who might make a real impact here in two thousand nineteen. Yeah, it's interesting because we heard the rumors that the eagles might be moving up to thirteen. We heard that before the draft. And then we heard that as the pick was coming up in. Apparently they were on the phone with dolphins. And then the dolphins said, well, you want this guy. Chris wilken? Maybe we also want this guy, and I guess those trade talks fell apart. Now, we don't know we may never know if that was true if that was who was on the line, Tom Pella Cerro from the NFL network tweeted out something very similar as well. So I think there were serious juice behind the story that the eagles wanted to move up to thirteen to grab Christian Wilkins. Who was a commonly mock target for the Philadelphia Eagles and Espy nation writers. Mock ipad added the table for Wilkins Beal G ended up selecting him in that. So I think that was someone of definite interest for the eagles probably ranked higher on their board. Just like mine. I as far as that goes. But again now you're talking about what what would it cost to go? Get Wilkins at thirteen definitely would cost one of those second round picks. No doubt. But now you're only talked about moving a fourth and six let's talk about a six round pick. What's he really doing? Is. He gonna make the roster can you guarantee that no the fourth round pick. Maybe maybe you land a guy and get lucky like an avant Matic something like that. But the hit rate on fourth rounders or about ten percent. And they still have another one as well. And they still have both or second round pick. So what are you really losing out of that when you're talking about a premium position and guy that you can develop a stout. That's a great fit. I have no issues with the trade up at all. They obviously again had to do it to get in front of twenty three. So sometimes you get you gotta spend money to make money. Well, and this also, you know, really works into the eagles philosophy of building through the lines. We we heard all this is obviously a very deep draft for defensive linemen. And I think a lot of people thought that it was going to end up being defensive tackle or an edge rusher that the eagles landed at number twenty five simply because there were so many, and we know how much the eagles love to rotate their defensive lineman through. It's one of the reasons they won the Super Bowl back in two after the two thousand seventeen season. But instead they go they go offense of tackle here. How did the board kind of fall as you were watching the draft to unfold, and we'll get into some of the some of the early picks by some of the other teams in the NFC east and what the raiders did earlier. We'll get into that. And just second. But as you watch some of these players come off the board. You saw some of these runs on on defensive lineman at different points that it start to feel to you like things were really going the eagles way. And if so at what point here in the first round, you thinking, this board's really kinda shaping up a little bit better than maybe we were thinking, it would it was a pick eight when I tweeted out something about all of my trade up targets being there. Now, one of them it was at all of our and he when at nine so he was immediately off the board. Right. And then the Steelers Troy Devin Bush Jona Williams win at eleven. He was another one of my guys. I would have traded up for Rashawn Gary going at at twelve was a huge absolutely huge relief for me because we had heard that the eagles were going to be interested in him and might be interested in trading up for him. If Wilkins was gone. So that was nice. But as far as the other guys, I mean, I was really looking for Brian Barnes. I think a lot of people knew that. But he he ended up going to sixteen but still I looked at the board on thinking bradberry. Still their foot. Cody Ford is still there. Jeff. Simmons was still there. He ended up going. But like there are a lot of people that I was very comfortable with taking twenty five if they were just going to sit I mean Johnson garnered Johnson is still out there some safety prospects that a likeness Adderley d'arno savage, by the way who had been pounded table for ends at going at twenty one to the Green Bay Packers. And I was told by several people you go in the first round. But it's whatever early on the high train. It's cool. But look overall, I was especially with Cody Ford falling and some of the pass rushers. I was very, okay. With the way that the board was falling. They could have stuck in. They could've taken Jerry Tillery. You know, we saw Josh Jacobs go at twenty four to the Oakland Raiders while recording here, but you know, Cody Ford is still out there marquees Brown when at twenty twenty-five we could a sat at twenty five and taking him. So there are a lot of different players that I liked and then also players that I maybe didn't like, but like the scheme fit with Markey's Brown where I was very comfortable with where we were at. And I still like that we were aggressive to go get a premium position. So I love the way the board. Feld the eagles played it. Right. Very happy with it. Absolutely. And how he rose men was as telling the media that you know, they know it was a lot to give a forty six, but they felt he was the best offensive lineman in the draft is what how Grossman said so. Yeah, not bad. You give it before and six to go. Get the best offense of linemen in the draft. And your eventual Jason Peters replacement. You know? That's that's why that's why we love how he Roseman. He is aggressive, but any worries or concerns that the eagles were going to do something stupid here in the first round. That's just not the way this teams operated. They have a a first class front office. And generally speaking, generally speaking, they make more right moves than they do wrong move. So up next out we're going to take a quick break. And then we'll we'll talk a little bit about how the some of the other teams in the NFC east. Did they've made some big moves for the future as well as we snicker and chuckled just a little bit. And we'll also make fun of the raiders and take a look at what the eagles might do on days two and three of the draft on Saturday on Friday and Saturday that's up next here on radio baseball, truly. It is awful. I'm Phillies writer Justin clue join me every week along with John Stolnis. Liz Rozier, and Dr Trevor Strunk as we discuss all the ways the billions of hurt us on our podcast hidden season as well as the storm, anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows. Continued success and the dirty inning subscribed to the good fight. And you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at us. And we're back on radio, Michael kiss. John Stolnis here with you, wrapping up the eagles first round selection. Again, they select Andre Dillard offensive tackle from Washington state. This was an interesting first round here. Michael, obviously, the first couple of picks went according to script with Kyle Mary going number one overall to the cardinals Nick Bosa went to to the forty Niners Quinton Williams win number three to the jets. But that's when that's when things started to get a little fun when the Oakland Raiders who have had a very interesting last couple of weeks leading up to the draft. That's when they got involved, Mike. What did the raiders do that? Everybody's scratching their heads. Number four overall, take Cleland feral ED's rusher out of Clemson a guy that I had twenty third on my board. Overall, a lot of Russia's. I like the head of him. Now, don't get me wrong. I mean, that's still a solid high second round grade for me in a top thirty player top twenty five player. But man, I don't think. Anyone expected that in front of in front of Josh Josh Allen in front of Oliver front of all these other great defensive lineman. You take a guy who's you know, doesn't have the prototypical speed up the arc in the Ben that you really covered in the top five tools. You really wanna work with still solid forum really polished hands gave Jona Williams some trouble with his length in his hand polish and everything like that. But like, I mean, you if you tried to mock the raiders you failed whoever you are whoever you picked no-one naps. Lutely, no one saw that coming was a guy that we could probably see going in the teens, and maybe even being there when the eagles picked at twenty five. Yes. Couple mocks with him at the eagles at twenty five. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe the raiders felt because they had so many picks. They didn't need to trae down in stockpile more and and take him at a more reasonable position. Maybe they got stock in they panicked. I don't I don't know. What's going on? I love Mike Mayock. I think you know, he's got a great mind for this. But I mean, you staff to started to question how that? Will draft start and they're about to pick again here soon. So we'll see what they do and see if they can start to salvage things by it's it was bonkers start to the draft. And as we look at some of the teams in the division. We all made fun of the New York Giants last year for taking saquon Barkley, number two and saquon hell of a running back. He's gonna great player in this league. No doubt about the fact that he's one of the most talented running backs in the league. But when you had such a need at quarterback, and you had a pretty good draft for quarterbacks. It was ridiculous that they ended up passing on taking a quarterback at number two and going with Barclay now this year this is the year in a week quarterback draft might they decide to go get their franchise quarterback. And at picking number six overall, they go after Daniel Jones from Duke, how hard were you laughing when Dave Gettleman actually pulled the trigger on this one, buddy. I tweeted out right before I'm like, this is Daniel Jones territory. This is it right here. Do it pull the trigger man trigger? He did it. He did. I really can't believe what the giants have done in this draft. And and I think that's hyperbolic on my part because I really can you believe it, right? But if you've been listening to the cubes go show here, I'm bleeding relation. I've been begging been praying to God, I don't even necessarily believe in just to have some celestial insurance, but begging hard for the giants to take Daniel Jones and Dexter Lawrence. It's just a massive cherry on top seventeen dental Jones, by the way, my ninety. I ranked overall player it's weird that he never got like the one read label, but he ran more zero to one step or quick gained concepts than any other quarterback in this draft. And I got to see him live in mobile for the senior bowl during the week their practices and from seeing him there and seeing his tape people see him as this big arm quarterback. And let me tell you that deep ball that he has it flutters and it on ravels. A ball of yarn. So he doesn't even have the deep ball going for him, which you could at least about Davis Webb who they selected a couple years ago. The guy is not accurate after his I read serious concerns with his tape. This is great news for eagles fans. And then the other guy Dexter Lawrence at seventeen he was a guy that I was scared to death. When you talked about earlier like the way the board was falling after Sean Gary went the next guy was really concerned about the eagles taking was Dexter Lawrence. So I mean, this guy is nineteen nineties nose tackle, he's Danny Shelton, and it's appropriate because Gilman is so very obviously stock in the nineties when it comes to his roster construction philosophy his draft philosophy. I it's absurd Lawrence never developed his game Clemson ice scouted him last off season to take a peek at his game in the upcoming class. I had to go back and check his freshman tape because I didn't understand the height. He doesn't offer much pass rush. A teams pass more on second down. No. By the way. He's not a two down player. He's a one down player. And he's downgrade from snacks who has gone. The giants have gotten. Worse at every step in this process during the all season, and they have wasted a chance to right the ship in my opinion with two first round picks. I was smiling irritate ear when both selections came in. I couldn't be happier. Happier about the job that get him in his doing when they selected Daniel Jones on I scream. It was amazing. The the BGN radio slack channel has been a fun place to be tonight. That was one of the that was one of the more fun places to be when the giants like Daniel Jones that was terrific, and then I'm based out of the Washington DC area here. And so I've been listening to their sports radio station, the fan up here, and a lot of a lot of the reporting that inside the Redskins building was that Dan Snyder, and Bruce Allin we're taking over control of the first round of the draft that basically they wanted Dwayne Haskins the Ohio State quarterback at number fifteen and the football people inside the building wanted to go another direction. Well, Snyder in Alan because they're the two big. Guest heads in the building and the two most important guys in the building got their way, and they selected Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins at number fifteen. I don't know how good approach Wayne Haskins is going to be but I find it a little bit. I would find it a little bit disconcerting if I were a Washington fan that these two guys dance Bruce L who haven't been able to do anything, right? Since Dan Snyder took over the team is in control the first round. And it's interesting, and they're actually picking right now, they traded up. They traded their second round this year in a second round next year to come in trade up to twenty six spot, and they took Montas sweat edge rusher state. So we have to talk about that as well. But let's go back for a second. As you reset your notes there, but Haskins it's interesting with the Redskins and you heard about all the dysfunction going on in that front office. It was interesting because people thought that they were going to try to treat up into the top five to go get Haskins. Now, they don't end up doing that. So they dodge a bullet there, which is good for them. But how many times does bad process from a front office? Dysfunctional process from front office pay dividends not very much and the way that they treated her cousins. And now they have Dwayne Haskins here which I mean they had to make a move at quarterback with Cuyler Murray going to the cardinals. I really thought that either the giants or the Redskins would be play for Josh Rosen who I would have ranked higher than Dwayne Haskins coming into this draft only had one first round grade on a quarterback this year. It was Kyle Murray. The rest were not even close really Haskins new love what you got. And you know, if you listen again to the QB Scotia, we've talked a lot about Haskins his plus is his pre snap mental processing the guy gets the game. Even as a one year starter, very inexperienced. But at the same time put on a board. He knows what he's looking at. He understands the process of what's right wrong. So and so forth. But then there comes a point during the play in the post nap process where you're like just get it that you see it just get it there in. There's also an act. Crecy issue with them. I don't like his deep ball. I mean, I watched a stretch of the Purdue game or the big upset there. And it was from the end of the third quarter to the beginning of the fourth quarter. And it was some of the worst like draft eligible quarterback play that I had seen in all of my studies. So there is indefinite words now he can definitely develop into a decent quarterback on not saying that he's a bad quarterback. But he is going to take some time. I don't know if you wince that starting job right away. And he might be better off sitting the Redskins might have to sit this year out. This basically what it comes down to? So it has to me really doesn't scare me. Like if you put Haskins Haskins around a bunch of weapons like if Hassans to go to the giants lists say they had saquon Odell still than sterling Shepard. They have Evan Ingram. If he went to that team. I would be more scared. He's more of a facilitator, I think that's a good way to put it with the Redskins. I don't think they have the weapons to our Haskins scares you anywhere in the near future. And you mentioned Montas has sweat get selected. By the Redskins at number twenty six and Mike garafolo was reporting that Redskins Redskins coaches and everybody not named Bruce Allen. And Dan Snyder one of the media to help with first round pick like a pass rusher. And so. They eventually, you know, it seems as though both sides kind of got their way here. Montas wet to name. We heard linked to the eagles a lot at number twenty five as well. What are your thoughts on on him? I think he's a dog on good pass rusher. I'm a little bit more down on sweat than a lot of people were. I know eventually I sort of come around in these sort of the move up my board ended up moving up to twenty four th overall. So you know, I I like the value there. But they also did give up to second round pigs one this year one next year to go get him the whole question with sweat and he's a dog on good football player. Extremely long fantastic length gonna use that link to dictate terms to offense of Lyman gonna be productive that wake going to be solid against the run. So I think he's going to be a productive player in the NFL. What we don't know. And the reason that he fell after he ran that four one at the combine and everyone talked about him as a top ten lock the reason he fell was the heart issue now that was dispelled somewhat earlier today in Rappaport reporting that maybe they didn't measure, his heart. Valves, or whatever it was correctly. Then he went to his own specialist, and they said that all they measured it wrong. Everything's fine, sewn and so forth. I don't know if I necessarily believe that with the way that he fell teams were comfortable with that medical evaluation. I think he would have gone a lot higher. So I from what we heard, you know, he wasn't on the eagles board because of that issue still even after that report. So it's interesting that he would be on the Redskins board, and they would use a lot of capital to go up and get him. Now, if his heart's fine from what we understand. I it's it's an issue where they have to keep certain equipment around which they are already do. So it's a minimal adjustment to kind of keep it around him, you know, more consistently. But at the same time what happens if you you never wanna talk about like that type of possibility. But there's a reason he fell so I I don't know what is going to happen with sweat. I think he's a good pick for the Redskins. They gave up a lot to go. Get him at the is going to be productive player. But there are concerns there that made him. That I'm not necessarily comfortable with. And I think a lot of other teams weren't comfortable with before we get to what the eagles might do here on days two and three I'm just scrolling through the Twitter timeline to get some reaction. And how he Roseman speaking to the media. He admitted that the eagles were trying to move ahead of the ravens to number twenty one before they he made a deal with them. Which indicates I think that they're looking at Markey's Brown seemed like Hollywood was the guy until until Dillard began to fall a little bit in the draft. Doug Peterson is is pretty happy about it. Because he was asked about the fact that Dillard didn't get to do a whole lot of running run blocking in Washington state, and he was asked about that. And he said, well, that's why coached outlets here. So it seems as though they plan on coaching up the kid, and the nice thing is that they have a year to do it with Jason Peter still on the team for at least one more season. So that's a good note. I don't mean to cut you off. But that is not that I neglected to mention that running the ball. Definitely not a conservative Mike Leach, nor was it for the Washington today. Offense now is a part in his game that dinged him on his final grade, which kind of moved down my board. So yeah, he's definitely going to have to develop as a run blocker and just get more comfortable with it. You know, as we move through this process. But yet definitely something an area where stout lane is going to have to coach him up. So that's a good point. And I mentioned I wondered where he was on the eagles board Roseman did say that he was in their top ten. They saw him as a top ten player. So that just tells you everything you need to know about why they did what they did. So as we get ready for days two and three here. Michael two second round picks. And then they have a fourth rounder and fifth rounder and a couple of seven if I'm remembering correctly, right? Yeah. And boy the raiders just took Jonathan Abram the safety at Mississippi State who I was concerned was going to be a target for the eagles at twenty five because I have early third round grade on Jonathan Abram. These teams were really helping us out like he's a I mean in back in back in the. Nineties. He would have been a first round prospect top five pick. No problem. Just case going to have problems cover and people guys trendsetter. I mean, he set such tone that he ended the spring game early for Mississippi State because he knocked out one of his teammates. That's how physical that Abraham L but going into the people that the eagles, you know, might be looking at the second round safety is a position where you're still Nasira Adderley want Thornhill from Virginia on the board. Deontay Thompson from Alabama there. The lot of these single high safeties out there that the eagles could be looking at. And then, you know, you're looking at the running back position Durell Henderson from Memphis starts to come into consideration around fifty three fifty seven. We've heard a lot about mile Sanders. The running back out of Penn State being somebody that the eagles really like in the second round. So I mean, there are a lot of different ways that they can take this. There were still out of burners too. I mean, we got to with all the hype around Markey's Brown. There's only been so far as were recording one wide receiver selected there were seven wide receivers that ran in the four threes at the combine. So there is. Planning his speed still out there at the eagles are looking to possibly replace and then trade Nelson Adler, so a lot of ways they can go with they can still look for rush. Help Christian Miller from Alabama chase. When of is from Michigan or guys, I really like in that area. A lot of the wide receivers. I mentioned JJ are white size guys that we didn't talk about a whole lot. But I can give -firmative Stanford pro day that once go adamant four three eight knows got scout had him at four three nine. He's tall tree to run that fast. So evens the mold of the type receivers that they bring in deebo Samuel wide receiver out of South Carolina who gives you inside outside versatility would be fantastic replacement for what no Nagla has been given us maybe a little bit more. So there are a lot of different options. They can go a lot of different ways. And I'm extremely excited. I mean, they can still go into your offense line. They can still go Jerusalem Mia from Oklahoma in the second round and upgrade over Isaccea Malu on a tentative contract. So tons of Dipper ways, they can go this though, second round picks. I feel good about it, man. Yeah. It's going to be an interesting next couple days as the eagles look to fill out their roster and maybe get some contributors for two thousand nineteen. Addition to further down the road, but everybody's got to be happy with getting Andre Dillard, again, a top ten player in the draft. According to how he Roseman and moved up three spots from twenty five to twenty two to go. Get him the future replacement for Jason Peters. If all goes, according to plan, Michael's been a pleasure. But it we don't get to do this very often. But obviously your expertise on all this is fantastic. And I will ask the question. You usually ask your partner any final thoughts of for the gentle listeners out there. I mean, just be happy that we're in the NFC east and and the giants and get them in. We'll hopefully live forever that that's really it man that division is helping us out the restarting with new quarterbacks we got our quarterback back baby. And we got another protector for him. 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Waiver Wire Week 9 + Week 8 Recap Fantasy Football

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Waiver Wire Week 9 + Week 8 Recap Fantasy Football

"Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment our new investment product offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy Fantasy Football podcast show I am your host chef Kerry heat is seth lull back to talk about week nine fizzy waiver wire pickups we are back welcome to the NFL talking heads options are hopefully a better options I know like so in one league I have Carl's hide who who is I can't remember my second running back tonight will be actually doing a fantasy trade deadline episode for the end of this week to be released on Thursday so if you have any players podcasts at lineups dot com so let's get right into this we have a interesting tree that just happened early doc I don't know how it makes any sense but with Kenyan Drake S- high ownership percentage are you starting him this week on Thursday night football against San Francisco being the lineups network podcast checkout everything that the lineups has to offer great tools data stats analysis and Oh yes fine farm rich in the freezer aisle and enjoy week here as we head into the NFL trade deadline which brings me in inhale good wouldn't that smell better with farm-rich Mozzarella sticks in front of you is obviously the matchups really tough and on a short week he's going to a new team which running backs can make that transition easier than most most positions but inch yeah would take you should you should get a Lotta touches though you'd think right but that didn't even really help we'll try and cover those players so the trade was Kenyan drake going to Arizona on NFL level so that this is kind of weird probably not like like all like everything when it comes to this type of question it depends on who you're there nine trust me in this situation and I would consider starting overall Jones I think even Carl's high and I would probably start you know hide over him problem with Kenyan drake up to you was Devon Single Terry Forty two snaps to Frank Gore's eighteen yeah do some of these interesting week eight games or anything that you found a note fantasy wise one of them I did want and he is not that so you can't leave him off you said you would probably start Ronald Jones over him so I think that kind of paints a picture on how low Kenyan drake should be in terms of the starting starts situation Yep all right let's get into recap a little bit about the week eight slate of games and of course we are brought to you by the lineups network podcasts and fell talking heads join Simmons's past week on a fairly difficult match up as well and let's face it Kenyan drake is you know obviously I don't even name any names but of Christian McCaffrey found success against his you want to mention or bring up make sure you hit us up on twitter instagram facebook nation at NFL talking heads for email to the NFL talking heads fantasy football forecast show your hosts jeff carrier itself he'll make our trade deadline special episode but is this a potential opportunity to to to pivot and sell high on girly thirty I know girlie got the got the good looks he got two touchdowns but you know I it's an opportunity starters so I I don't know what Todd Gurley if I if I'd Air More on the Bilo or or or sell with my snap count questions but this is a really a mind blowing one if you didn't watch his game todd gurley thirty two snaps Durell Henderson I think they want to phase out frank or but again we said this you know basically everywhere Frank Gore has gone since San Francisco and he continues to clog space in and that teams backfield so I I'm pretty bullish on single Terry he's definitely the guy in the passing game and I feel like you know the bull that the Bulls it's most likely not going to make the NFL playoffs giving up what could potentially be I think from a fit into a turn into a fourth rounder on a one year rental for not a good running back situation happening in buffalo and now with the healthy single terry we saw a little bit of the changing of the Guard I'm sure that had a lot to do with game for most of the game but Cincinnati was still kinda sneaky in the game ver a good no no one thought they were actually GonNa win but it's it's not like the rams were benching there I can't talk today the bills are GonNa need to manufacture some sort of offense he's probably you know him John Brown and there are only two playmakers another one here was it right Ronald Jones thank you thanks for reminding me so it's such a clever backfield that you have there it's not running back or if there is a more established running back in front of them then we have a situation where it takes a bit longer in later in the year and so we had seven single chair I hope they will start moving in that direction and given Devon singled hairy a little bit more to work with not why you drafted him in the second round he's been a complete disappointment and he really has no upside so yeah I think the answer question yes you gotta be careful when there's buck loss of being from behind right but to your point with the Rams dealt drill Henderson had an extra carry than girly is not even the fact that sell off like I I don't really know where I stand I think if you have todd Gurley and you drafted and probably in the second round I think you're probably I would definitely try dangled it out there in trade for the right price for sure I just I think one thing is clear todd Gurley is he's going to be solid he's going to have a very consistent high floor but yeah right now in the box scores like Christian Kirk would you do todd Gurley tramper Kirk is that too much of a cell up no you can really say the game was completely out of hand for most of the game where they're giving drill Henderson a lot of garbage touches by two scores a situation where you're in this this is a great you know the reason why I started with these two specific stap count questions is because we see this I mean wh what's what's the idea here you know they literally trying to see if there's got they have someone that's more explosive in hi but after another dominant match from San Francisco and again that defense got thirty three points Melvin Gordon who got twenty five snaps to us andro Henderson He's definitely not Bilo candidate but I think he's got a big enough name value where you could move him for someone I don't know we we don't we don't of Kenyan drake with don't look of the fact is short week and I'm I'm not I'm probably leaving and I don't know if I can think of someone off the top my head or not but you know someone who is going to basically can get the same production without that name talk early if you do have that flexibility so you've got you can still start extra week in week out hoping that he can get you ten points maybe you have someone else that's a lot in the NFL when it comes to rookies sometimes it takes a lot takes a little bit for them to get started running back and come out of the gala bit quicker but they're not in a Li girly I'd be fine overpaying a little bit for somebody else who's maybe not quite as good but helps you at a different position because I don't think todd Gurley is GonNa come back Oh you and I don't know if you can throw it in any of basically guy who's going to get like low single digit double digits why I think if you're in a situation where you're hard time justifying trading todd Gurley for any defense that it'd be close but I definitely think what Todd Gurley you could I would definitely be fine I did a trade for a defense last week going into week eight I traded Melvin Gordon for San Francisco's defense sounds like I- overpaid in all fantasy in a league that really you know is beneficial to to defense as well yeah I I would have a solid rb to even if I had James Wyatt in Austin necklace say that I would still trade girly for Christian Kirksey he's going to be he just happened to be on the field it's like he out carried him he girly also got I believe no targets drill Henderson caught two passes evident enough I mean no Malcolm Brown and they're playing Atlanta right they are playing Cincinnati goes on that we're going to see this uptick in touches and production from Todd Gurley I could be wrong you're absolutely right and if these last two weeks the opposite situation is that that I just outlined my leagues if you're plush at the running back position and you're looking to upgrade somewhere else I think todd Gurley as a player you could swoosh one play them looking overpaying a little bit in the sense that training for Christian Kirksey probably sold the better player if you're pretty deep at the running back position you can afford to part with you just you know just diving into my snap counts here you just nothing the new is this there's nothing better than you just getting hit over the head was twenty four he got eight carries for crying out loud okay great he got a goal I carry at I looked like overpaid but now I have the number to defense and in that you can star Christian Kirk you know like in your starting lineup I would highly I would definitely consider that how about a trade seth where sweat on I think that's a great example of someone that we're I think you've got to be a little bit aggressive here I don't know who the Christian Kirk owner is but I would absolutely sell Abyan and that's very troubling if you're early owner because he was a great match up against Cincinnati everybody runs on Cincinnati and it was a game where it's not even in their you willing to trade tar girly for Philip as part of a Philip Lindsay knowing that you can also get more out of the other person even though go ahead of ourselves but I'm sure we can kind of revisit this or a similar situation on our trade deadline special episode but before we move off and give them something else say also get San Frans- defense or something no I I like that a lot actually if I can get if I can do two for one one of those trays that I hate 'cause it's running back for running back but if it's part of the trade where it's like okay I'm going to quote unquote downgraded Philip Lindsay and then I would have to look at our numbers side by side to see how similar but on the surface they seem really similar so I would I would absolutely do that deal sure love can I add one I think he might already be dead to us but just so it's podcast official can you put in court Davis and in a monster spot in both scenarios he doesn't smash you know how what's what's what is the name like Philip Lindsay come to mind who who who has the upper in ninety two for Lindsey six six touch six rushing touchdowns for girly four touchdowns for Lindsay close so brandin cooks is dead to Jeff Stack and Shane Smith also want us to throw out and catches the Lindsay is going to have the slight advantage twenty-five catches too I need had him in our fan duel tournament lineups which was a great play by US So I I think I I was willing to give him one more shot love the rams here we have a special request for a dead to me from the talking Heads Nation Carson and then somewhere out of the blue they dug up the freaking corpse of Paul Perkins stuck him on the field he official on top of official okay speaking of people walking a tight rope and I gotta be careful here said you know my Jeff is to me to Tyler Boyd so those guys are fed up with those players they are dead to them so always always we can always add some extra going into this week and he he blew it he blew it he squandered that the one last chance so he's dead to dead me forever and blends eats outscore Todd Gurley sear your question is would I trade girly straight out propelled Lindsey well I mean that sounds like a almost like we want to say that this isn't a surprise but at the same time they still find a way to kind of make it surprising they literally out of their way to start this guy named Davis you are dead core Davis No no matter no matter how favorable the matchup is no matter how much opportunity you think he's going to get he always points say he could be on a practice field with Ryan Tannehill with nobody else on the Field Henry Tannahill uh-huh I haven't had one in a while Thai Johnson barely out snapped anyone Detroit I do not know what they're doing this all right well and we can kind of continue extra and actually and actually let's let's look at the numbers I pulled the number cyber side by side so three hundred and fifty five rushing yards for Todd Gurley four hundred early in get in Dublin's being one of the two pieces that I get in the deal if that's what you're saying then I mean they're they're basically the same player I understand that faith is one thing but everything that we've seen with them with gear blunt last year bringing in C. J. Anderson they don't know how to manage the position I mean it's pick them up if you can but we all the time with these backup running back so the started goes down in everybody just assumes the backup can immediately pencil him in for the same amount of got six snaps it's yeah it's bad I didn't realize that Paul Perkins didn't watch the whole game and realize he's in the game until I look at the box and he does so only get like one or two catches it's like he just he is allergic to the football he will always disappoint you I had him like two or three starting we use very clear it's very obvious so let's talk about Johnson you just picked him up you you spend a little bit of Fab budget what are you still the end of course tied Johnson you know this Guy Trade Carson comes out of the woodworks to to basically double is carry total which is I mean maybe it was a fluky situation maybe maybe he's more involved next week so I would hesitate to even drop in for somebody like alix Ericsson unless you sample you you'd like Oh wow this guy is available we're gonNA pick him up there's no carry on there's really nobody else like jd mckissick is barely involved. He's not going to be now you're in filling these a lot less sexy in a much much worse offense but they're they're very similar we have Paul Perkins getting carried as well that just tells you that just tells me that the lions don't really have faith in any of these running backs they're letting Paul Park and see the field I know snaps I know he didn't have a good game but without will fuller they're playing a little bit from behind ends have on their Oscar so yeah and we always talk about this with backup running backs like and it's like I mean when tied onto on waivers you really have to pick him up because legit but if this level of players available I'm going to go out and get him well the problem is is we'll talk about it a little bit not many players that are probably available against that kind of Secondary Oakland Eighty snaps for stills I thought that was a good sign we know you love that we like where have here for fifteen catches for girly so it's kind of crazy when you stack them up this could be like a maybe a same player around for next year yeah maybe gain it depends I would still I would be fine dropping him if somebody decent was available dropping him just because I'm fed up with the Metro one wish okay here who's in I would consider dry I mean it depends on your situation again if you're in a league where you don't have running backs I think I think tied Johnson is somebody that's worth keeping on your bench for one week just to see what happens carries the goal line carries etc etc and it just times it's not the case tied Johnson Greg a slight chance that he does get all carry-ons carries and gets the ten to fifteen points in maybe more is worth you have to at least make an attempt here is that I would also be very not optimistic but I would highly considered rolling him out again next week in my starting lineup knowing that he's on the field you're GonNa have these games their offense is very clunky in very hard to watch at times and then sometimes they look they there's they're throwing all over the place so I don't know Kenny is what he is I think you keep him on your team like if we're comparing him to tie Johnson I think got it I think the point is I think the point in your league I mean one player that we talk about I want to let the cat out of the bag but it is Alex Ericsson we're talking about so that's not really you know that much but Alex Yeah I think I think you know what you're in Fourth Kenny Stills geist I started him in one of my leagues this week and I you know going into it you'd like you know what you're is GonNa be the starter again but I don't know really nice sign don't know what to make of it just Kinda WanNa pointed that out and bring it on for almost fell out of my chair when I saw Paul Perkins I was going to bring them up like randomly I don't know what the context was going to bring up Paul Perkins's remember him well apparently the the on the drop them and let them go for you know on this quick turnaround to what level you're saying no let me let me still hold onto them I spent a bit of fabric and once we get to the waiver section on me maybe I'll if I'm ever so inclined maybe bring his name backup Kenny stills eighty eighty I would say his production the passing game has been better than we do we expected Ito Smith has been completely non-existent all year and I wouldn't even take him putting the third or fourth round but he's GonNa he's clearly whether shop or Matt Ryan I I think he's clearly gonna be he's you you'd rather have a player they get zero points but playing eighty to ninety snaps that have players plattling thirty snaps but it's catching touchdowns so liability investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com that's reliability investment dot COM old that many times depending on who you have of course yeah I I definitely I definitely think that's a good sign for sure you get you five points which he did and you're gonna live with it what's the relationship analogy I thought you were going to go somewhere here like you're you're like in over one hundred yards rushing touchdown is latavius Murray's here's a question for you is let's Habeas Murray the next Austin in terms of fantasy owners just and burn you as it can't get better for him from here on out right if he was going to be really really good it would be in the first half of the season I cannot imagine as the I am going this year as a as Shawn Watson fantasy owner as you know someone who has multiple shares of Carl's hide shame on me just got a little carried away with the devante Freeman hate well he's played he hasn't played well he hasn't been great but like I was completely often to the talk about it well I I mean I think I was little wrong on de Monte Free I think my Devante Freeman hate my last one here and then if you have any of the week eight statistics observations devante Freeman caught eight passes with Matt shop don't know if they're good bets so for that specific thing so I don't know I would like to ideally like to keep my my bench you have to throw it a couple of names for players and we both thought he would be a little bit more involved in a pain in this in a side of devante Freeman but I don't know I mean I want one player you know keeping live with the running backs catching past says with Davis Murray with nine catches for fifty five yards and touchdown being in this relationship you just go ahead and you got to you have to accept some of the blame and that's every Kenny stills owner is going through that Houston's has been wildly we know the relationship is your expectations are are perfectly aligned like you're not you're not expecting like you know there's GonNa be some a lot of boom bust their you know there's a chance do you just need somebody to put in a wide receiver or flex that has a higher floor and the Cincinnati Bengals as the Ericson the Cincinnati reds the world they are oh you know you're you're dating a guy who's a little bit of a drunk and you just don't know if he's GonNa come home that night or not sometimes it's great they're going to be some good times some lows that are gonna be some lows where he disappoints you but you don't have your expectations up that high selene does this appoint you you're like okay well it's partly my fault for Lov Games are going to be completely disappointed when Alvin Kamara comes back because right now latavius Murray's might be a top seven fantasy running back without Kamara and I know you drive people drafted Austin higher and he went into entered the season as the starter so maybe a little bit different but everybody that has been feasting on these latavius Murray this is jeff carrier will catch you next time okay. Dolphins most likely probably won't win tonight will the dolphins win a game this season they gotta play the jets next week have moved past Washington as not the worst team in the NFL. I might be jumping the gun a little bit there but I feel like Washington at least is getting to the point now where hole in the offensive line where he doesn't touch for fifteen yards so that nobody on the field for that with I feel they are Pittsburgh by beyond upset alert a little well this brings me to my next question so aw I don't know what changes between then and now that would entice the put it on Monday night football assuming you're going with Pittsburgh for tonight's Game Seth I think we I think we did a good job covering it okay great so we are recording this before Monday nights dolphin this brings me to the Christmas special and I'm sure we'll we'll immensely break this down when it comes to game time but December twenty second Christmas season they think that Latavius Murray's earned a bigger better workload when cameras there I mean that's just not I think correct observation well no that's why bad quarterback play a lot of bad quarterback play law a lot of quarterbacks probably Joe flacco is getting benched this week with a neck injury inaugurate Pittsburgh's team their defence has been playing really well and it's their defense which is what it is why I'm taking Pittsburgh obviously defense playing well coming off a bye can win that game I don't know I don't think they okay so I mean the jets twice to crack at it how Allen is the starter again for at least one more week but and Jimmy G. Despite the niners scoring fifty points Jimmy G. doing absolutely nothing week Christmas weekend whatever Christmas Special Cincinnati at Miami but Miami has played a little bit better with rival Patrick the past couple of weeks devante Parker we've talked about it has been playing pretty well and I just feel like they're like they might be better yeah they're going to be disappointed the right word they're just to come back to reality the he's not going to get all the saints production if for some but the the deal would have to clear for him to go on the run untouched anything else from week eight Yep Pittsburgh but there are one of these like I I wouldn't feel too comfortable picking them in survivor because Pittsburgh's quarterback situation is clearly ends at Pittsburgh not too sure what Brady's schedule game yeah not too short the schedule makers are thinking there because I'm pretty sure the dolphins were taking January and didn't have a quarterback so I don't know aw that's tough one I think where's that game Miami as if that meant that I I'm not exactly like that he needs to touch the ball a lot more to kind of compile up on top of those dads get that get that one time where there's an absolute gaping without a shadow of a doubt but that's a coin flip it so that might we might have to oh in fourteen teams heading into he can't it seems crazy to say that whoever the dolphins are starting quarterback is better than Dalton but dullness such a complete negative and Cincinnati's defense is terrible oh I know I think I think Miami's a chance data have a chance I mean that's a coin Flip Cincinnati the something about how bad Andy Dalton is where it's like ESPN leagues and I mean we'll see what happens when AJ green comes back but you look at what he's done the past three games double digits and every single game Aj Green is going to be kind of the potentially the deciding factor if you can even start him so you have to hold through the by and Assuming Cincinnati Yeah Yeah I mean he had opportunities Kamara was in there and the thing with the service Murray he's definitely one of those running backs that the more usage Danny Amendola nineteen targets combined in the past two weeks back to back weeks with eight catches this is all without you know seventeen plus fantasy points each the past week I think honestly my number one waiver pickup and it's not going to be sexy out Erickson I think he's only one point nine he's only brossard at one point nine percent of hi there gonNA be pretty bummed out because he was gonna go from doing what he's thirty plus fantasy points back to if you're lucky getting double digits with a touchdown so I like Alex but I mean I obviously don't love it I think the other turned in the return of up next week against Oakland there secondary's priest shoddy he's only owning eight just under nine percent of ESPN leagues and this is back to back weeks now I'm in ground here on last two weeks that we can draw an analogy to is obviously Kerryon Johnson going down and now it's like they're both gonna be trying so hard to lose that game too because at that point it's like you got two more games for the season's over they both want to a I don't know I think I think he's a he's a he's a high fly guy I like him I think they're clearly there from the come from behind every single game one game for thirty six yards now it's they're not even committing to it so damn and Dole is turning into kind of they're short yardage high volume guy doesn't trade AJ Green Energy and comes back you can't start em week ten but you know at this time of the year you're just looking for someone who potentially week fifteen no weeks sixteen we might have to Owen fourteen teams because that's the second to last game of the season so one catch for six yards so you gotta go into it Kinda like with Kenny stills knowing hey like obviously he's on waivers for a reason but at the same time he didn't do much the first two quarters and start piling up stats I think he most of his production came in the fourth quarter but that's the story of Cincinnati season that's going to be the case everywhere all they do have better receivers they might apply. Aj Greenback them you know they're going to get back to you since is GONNA be favored without instead of the passing game so the running game so there might be something there we might see a little bit of a trend here early in the process without a touchdown so just high-volume unto Renfro had a pretty good game he of course played for Oakland so the I think the con those types of receivers another player and like I'm like I can't even believe a mentioning him because you know what this is the first time could use to a yeah okay I said let's break it out into Labor wires who do you got for us this week Syria's Anton exciting me and do drama to that all right so so okay so drum roll dead to me but also potentially a waiver pickup is Daria Slayton have a pretty high floor now he's had a couple of really really bad like terrifying low-floor Games Philadelphia seven points at Green Bay Rita said the history of our waiver wire episode where I throw in a waiver pickup who's also a dead to me player we do that man back to back weeks very good fantasy weeks those types of players are looking for so I think he kinda fit stat that mole pretty well with with Alex Erickson as those now it's like they don't even need to try and commit to running game even if they can't run they would still at least trying overly commit with carry on Caroline get like twenty carries rough scheduled Russell gauge so I don't know I mean Russell Gauges somebody in deeper leagues we're really hurting at overall depth he somebody that could be anyone else what about Mark Walton obviously because of the Kenyan drake move lots of people going to be take taking peek at him a drop all except one and lo and behold he catches two touchdowns I know you're GonNa say I know you're gonNA say only two catches but Russell gauge nine targets for the Atlanta Falcons so no more Mohammad said new in this situation where they had their on by and then they have a and I'm just gonNA keep mentioning Slayton I mean so I had him in just about every single league didn't really do anything for two games in a row drop him and would put in that saying again this is this is probably the least sexy waiver wire pickup list ever but Danny Amendola I mean he's a good match can you feel that he's getting double digit points the week at this point he might not be a bad stash in other player that I as long as strong shepherd is out he's at least would be on my radar well insurance cover might be back this week so but I guess that's how bad the waivers this week yeah another player that I I mean this is again this is just demonstrates how weak this you know the options are goes Kenyan drake was involved but Miami's obviously one of the worst teams in the NFL there aren't GonNa be a lot of scoring opportunities I just I don't know unless you're in on five targets but this was this was MVS two weeks ago whenever I went for two hundred thirty three yards and a touchdown or touchdowns why not what's worse he can do also carry it fifteen times for thirty yards in obviously maybe you're hoping that he gets involved in the past that Nikita expectations low temporary expectations but they play Miami week nine they played the jets try the giants we ten Washington Than Oakland and Raiders Bangles and then Miami so so six I can count so I think Griffin and this goes for a lot of other jets player I don't I guess he's not worse than than probably sleeping or or gauge I'm I'm personally staying away from him I just he wasn't doing much when Kenyan drake was man I I wouldn't tight ends hopefully hopefully you have a good tight end that you can star Ryan Griffin and Daniel Fouls too tight ends that each had two touchdowns on the field with him and I agree he wouldn't he wouldn't be in my top one or two or three pickups the week but he's another player who loan percentage eleven percent who I don't know you know and I guess it's kind of goes with a lot of running backs but some some running back so I don t the ball once and they can make something happen Latavius Murray's I lower volume but again there's there's only so many tight ends he's had two or three pretty good games this week the this week this year so I don't know roster Frank Gore's probably rostered out probably probably look to you know it's worth a shot hey even if you drop one of them who is in your starting lineup darnold man it's it's it's it's one of those one of those weeks but no one day caught two passes and Dow Jones threw for over three hundred and fifty yards so if they take a lot of shots snappy in Miami have you seen a easier five game stretch stretching your entire life go over those again dolphins giants residents it's so much like Kennedy's films like you you pick didn't even dole up and I I mean the by weeks were are in full swing you're GonNa need players Danny Amendola who who should Daniel Pearl's head or each touchdowns as long as Herndon is out for the jets I think Ryan Griffen is is a solid start at tight end and six catches ninety seven yards against the rams this week now they're owned by week nine which is the the tough thing Cincinnati and Aj Green is expected back we ten but more into consideration but otherwise I'm staying away too too tight end but you know we're all playing deep leaks especially in a twelve Manley Ron Jones is probably as most of them are so Raghav and then Daniel Fouls two touchdowns he's he's a little bit more boombox in game limpet born there anyone else seth yes a couple tight ends and again this is just this week with four catches eighty yards and a touchdown single digit fantasy points every game prior he again he's another player that has a lot of good Jonah Hill not throwing the ball downfield clearly not using his wide receivers you know there seems to be some kind of connection there Joan Smith assuming that Walker is off matchup against New Orleans but I think long from down the row we look ahead at some of the matchups they they still have played Tampa Bay land rough guess just usage around the red zone because his body size knowing that using can score a lot the other tight end that I kind of like assuming that Delaney my position with running backs where I have Carl's Hydro Jones as my as my two best running backs then for sure more Walberg of Law out that tight end doesn't take much for me to be like yeah that's not a bad idea I mean after you go through the how's it going as his way yeah Detroit the chargers you have the bengals have the jets the chiefs so some juicy match-ups coming up for Oakland about every week he's only rostered in two point three percent leaks your thoughts I think the two people there are waller and now ty ty Williams because McCarthy was the head coach couldn't catch a pass and now the guys catching six seven passes a game some of them are just scream path even though they're completely wide open but Aaron Jones's second touchdown was just a simple you know he's out all the way hunter renfro probably in a deeper league he's he hasn't had a great a great season is his rookie season as I good game against Houston low-floor guy with with no muhammed new I guess if Atlanta's affiliate on fifty two for the six times every week ABC's tight ends it's like anybody's guess as to WHO's going to put up points a player that I I am I actually like a decent it's you know with both of their wide receivers frankly I mean running backs of course New England's been doing it for a very long time and Aaron Jones for a long time ax and you see this with certain teams you know especially with ones like how the chargers lineup at cler with the same he is a running back right so all you're doing is starting to run from fifteen yards left of the hash mark or whatever out by the numbers looking for him he's not behind the line of scrimmage at five offensive linemen four defensive linemen three linebackers he's all the way out there basically running a shakeups isn't getting used like this they throw a little bit to the other running backs but why not bring both to the running backs on the field say music time just like Green Bay put one on the way to the left a hunter renfro could could fit in Danny Amendola Alex Ericsson category and he's also already had us by and he's probably available there's like leaves you're not GonNa Trade for Sam Dalton but in a two quarterback league if you have Jimmy Johns sauce starter daren't say Dalton us and I'm thinking about this last night now not every running back and run down all the way down the sideline run a fly route over a running back to catch collar and tie Williams kind of the main two people that Derek cards throwing too when you watch the game Sunday night you kind of see how different green bay start using their running back run play with minimal coverage and takes it to the house why are teams doing this more often to their running backs you know the defense puts a linebacker save really good receiving backs one's better than another like Jalen Rashad would be over Josh Jacobs supposedly that's what everyone tells us you know even both right next to Aaron Rodgers that keeps in the linebackers right so there in the box in the probably seven or eight in the box they can move ah but there's really like there's not much I it's only throw out a different name obviously but with with just watching because I said that noticed this same thing if you can't run the ball because you can't run through five offensive linemen and everything else then why not start throwing these allegri was doing along I mean sometimes see you know used to running backs and we always complain about it and it's kind of gimmicky and like in stupid back you know here's a question I want to maybe semi an observation you watch them you really you really don't like my waiver pickups this week now laughed it's just a screen pass it's basically just a hand off but you're throwing the hand off I don't know ten fifteen yards to the left he's GonNa make one guy miss he's got someone else out of the equation so I don't know I just I we both agree on this we talk about it I just kind of wanted to mention see if some of the listeners cricket staying out is Jonah Smith I mentioned that's you this weekend kind of heading into for DFS play in line to with Ryan I also think Green Bay has to do a lot of that is by out of necessity because there's you know they have the throne to the lazard and yeah but okay you're not too high on on either Ryan Griffin ordained bells but I think Daniel fells might have some potential there especially considering if you just no now Aaron Jones is catching six yard bombs over the shoulder then great then don't throw that guy if Austin neckers got the safety go to somewhere else now you've taken the Safety Pirot all of these teams though yeah but I'll mention Josh Jacobs is arguably the best runner with the ball in his hand and FLACCO WHO's obviously very starting yeah he's got Brandon Allen Brandon Allen so really are out there this running back has a catch a simple smokescreen and make one two people miss I mean you know

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Mock Draft Show + Fantasy Football Tanking

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Mock Draft Show + Fantasy Football Tanking

"Hey we got a great mock draft show for you today. If you're looking for a product to help you with your draft look no further than the ultimate draft kit the only site with multiple experts in the top ten for in season and top ten for draft rankings including a number three overall draft number five overall in season finish in two thousand seventeen seventeen in two thousand eighteen. You know the information is good. It's on point and guess what you can partner with us. 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You have the occasional interesting fact up in your oversize Noggin. Why do you think it's so there's a lot a lot of useless information of stuff in for years? My forehead continues to grow a lot of bill nye growing up. Is that what it was yes okay. If only the I had a brain in mind belly so much information. Oh I think he's inferring that like if intelligence was associated with belly sides has he would be the law of the day rain king welcome into the show Friday August second the fantasy footballers back again and we're doing a mock draft on the show today and we're going to start from the number one spot. Oh beats up be at the top of the draft. It's going to be a fun episode. We're recording this <hes> a little bit early going to jump right into the mock draft a we're going to do it. There's one team and we're GONNA see what what we ended up with four matter we running in Andy how point p P._R.. Within three wideouts yes. We're GONNA go a three wide so you're running back three wide receiver one quarterback Affleck's normal bench should be <hes> should be a great piece of information heading into draft season season Jason Molina on his belly and he will summon a great you can you can all lean on my belly. I will support you as a table. <hes> <hes> for both you and the listeners out there see you got me. You got me thinking about the the stains all over my shirts. That's true I see I I might have the larger belly but I can avoid spilling on my second every time I eat. I've got a real problem that I'll just make public at this point in time. It was noticed by my wife that all of a sudden all my shirts have like a stain in the same spot <hes> it which really right on my belly ledge we eat lunch wants with you. Every day and launch has not started until Andy has spilled on himself. When I turned thirty five I became the clumsy as man on this earth <hes> so third? I tried to blame my wife life that it was like a laundry detergent that she had spilled on eighty belly spots. Why are you spilling a drop of? Why are we spilling with the accuracy? You can so accurate. That's why it's in the same spot on every shirt generally of of laundry true of laundry theory that kind of accuracy very nice all right quick question for the day by the way follow us on twitter at the F. F. ballers for all your fantasy football needs news information so much news right now follow us on their <hes>. Here's a quick question it comes in from our community forums <hes> from Buckeye Zero Oh to <hes> what are some of your league rules to help eliminate tanking in your leak. This is an I think there's an important question. This is also the time to think about it before you head into your draft where you can make changes to. Maybe how the League is run. I hate this well. Let me say this. Obviously tanking is only going to take place in the League has keepers or dynasty format or if he picks because they're worried about the next season they want the higher draft pick. What do you hate? You hate the tanking yeah I hate like look our league record the league that we always refer to that spawned the podcast from its infancy years and years ago that League of record is a keeper Super Three Keeper League and it struggles with this even that great league because if you want to win pretty much need a super team in that league you need to have so many extra pigs early because people knew they were out of the running and so they start selling off assets so to visit always work to have a super is it does not always work to have a super team. No and that's important you don't win your championship at your draft. You just build a foundation foundation for that. It's really the season stuff that wins Championships SA- stick with us but what I would offer as a piece of advice is the whole point of tanking is to make yourself better next year right so what I think is that the loser's bracket in you know the people that didn't make the playoffs they should be playing singing for the better picks in the first round so that if you want to have a better first round pick next year then you should not I have this terrible team that can't win against these other teams in the loser's side of the playoffs it it forces you to have a good roster at the end of the year. If what matters matters to you is next year. It's that's challenging proposal for me because I there are aspects in which I like it but the truth of the matter is is sometimes you just end up with a really bad team and because of that year now punish not going to get the benefit of better draft picks so you're further punishing the worst team team because they're not going to be able to compete in that tournament of losers and win because they're bad. They're a bad team so that is the I mean. This happens in professional sports for such a complicated part of all of it is it's like you want the worst teams to have the best picks but you don't want people to manipulate the system to make the game the League less fun. I totally see that point but I would argue that all of the teams that missed the playoffs. We're not really good enough to compete for the championship. Reward the ones that were so close and missed. I I would like those teams to have the better picks the next year. Also we do a loser. Punishment is a huge huge deal. It's a yes D- incentivisation any was gonNA talk. They WANNA interrupt it but you are. I think a a punishment segments that were in like we don't go tattoo. We don't go public humiliation. which if you want to do that is a lot of good out there but the punishment has has to be at a point that everyone in the league is willing to do it if they unfortunately get last place and I think that in in the the incentive live to be second to last because you avoid the punishment it definitely helps well and I it's worth saying what we actually do in our league of record her to help the situation is we have a keep sorry Tara and failure? We have a lottery so oh if you finish in the bottom four you're not ordered by your record you ordered by you're just part of a lottery and we pull out of her own in the first round and that's what we do and so so if you finish in those bottom floor you're not guaranteed the first pick by finishing last you might get the fourth pick so at least there's a little bit of maybe not enough for your case this Jason. Oh there's not far league I mean we we know that for a fact yeah and people some some people like you know playing for next year. That's something they enjoy more about. Fantasy N._F._C. is is making the long term decisions. It's all about what you like in your league what you want your league to be dynasty and keeper leagues are a blast. I mean keeper is my favorite format of fantasy fantasy football allowing you to have some offseason moves. I it's it's just it's my favorite way to play a couple of things before we jump right right into this mock draft which will be doing <hes> via the sleeper platform once again. Our show is going <hes> every day every weekday Monday through and Friday next week is going to be the first full week of of one A. Days. Oh my goodness you know there in camp. Today's we do want today's. They're in better shape honestly. Although did you see this thing in Arizona where I don't know how makes me feel cliff Kingsbury coming out. He's doing halftime during practices yeah with snacks well on at halftime they go in. They hydrate man. We live in a desert. hydration has very the important L. affair. Cliff Kingsbury is going to be fantastic for fantasy football fans the offense the production the speed of play those things will matter they they will impact whether or not kings is even remotely a decent head coach. Those things do not those are those do not have to equal each other. He can be a great offense friends of mine and a terrible coach and things like that. I think he would focus on snacks there. I mean I've seen videos of the N._F._l.. Players on the sideline mid game sneaking things like hotdogs and like like when when you're in a high level of performance. I know this might surprise you. You actually insult coming a little bit. It's just a surface but like if you're doing marathons and half marathons halfway through you get hungry. This is so there are some of my life Yeah Jason. I'm an elite performance. This is why I need so there's nothing wrong with taking a break and getting a little <music> snack. I never understood why as long as it's not fruit snacks some of the show off each yes hungry. I'm a high level athlete always types of Brooks says says Switzer camera. I got a hotdog. Maybe this will avoid the players that also go to the bathroom in their uniforms. Yes come on no no not on the sideline yeah they go. They just go on their pants man. 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I got tons of talented writers including great friend of the show Jake Sealy Jay Glazer Bruce Feldman tons of amazing amazing writers over there subscribe to the ALAKA Ding-dong. I'll I'll tell you that all right little different today ten team half P._R.. Three wide receivers achievers saw a little bit of a priority there. It's not too too in a flex. There is a flex still so two running backs three wide outs Affleck's quarterback and and we're actually going to draft from the one on one this was brooks's idea it also lets us talk a little bit about the decision that people are facing at the top of the draft with the holdout situation of Ezekiel Elliott recording this a little bit earlier and fingers crossed that there's a contract yeah but right now right here. You're on the clock here at one one. Some people like Zeke. <hes> you know take the contract situ situation out Jason is he or one on one. If that's not in fact I mean if he was signed he would be my one on one just statistically speaking I expect him to be so much more involved in the passing as we saw last year you don't realize once Amari Cooper Cooper came he was almost on the same page as Christian McCaffrey who you see as predominantly a receiving back that being said when you're talking about Christian McCaffrey saquon Saquon Barkley Zeke and maybe Kamera in that same group of the first pick overall why why why take risk like there's just no reason and they're all great options so if you don't know if you are at your draft and you're deciding between two players was at the one on one or later in the draft and one of them has a a AH yellow flag. Let's call it and the other is in the same exact tier of just as good go the other way so here. I would not take Zeke yeah. I mean my my rankings. Takings have saquon at one. Oh One without consideration like I didn't doc Zeke for any holdout concerns. We've not been pronounced with any concerns is that he doesn't get into camp at some point. That team needs him but I I lean saquon here. I think that's the pit for me. It would be Christian McCaffrey Ajay. I'm wondering do you consider her. The the possibility of the giants being not not just bad because they were their offense was okay last year was do you consider it was it was like middle middle of the road in total yardage. Do you consider the fact that they could be even worse this year as as any kind on a yellow flag for Saquon you have shepherd shepherd should be back not really mistimed but golden tate is gonNA miss four games elite superstar wide receiver older back not on the team anymore. They might be going to the six overall. Pick Daniel Jones at any moment. I zir way into you at the number one. Yeah I mean I it it does it does weigh in for sure because everything you just outlined we know he he scored Zeke scored. I'm sorry Saquon scored fewer points per game when Odell Beckham was was out that being said he is a true true freak of nature you look at his combine metrics. He's not he's one hundred th percentile running back athlete Cleaton history of the sport he came out his rookie dominated. He did that for a terrible team. He was more productive in games where the giants lost and more productive on a point points per play basis when they were down he is the center of the offense. I'm not that scared and really the truth. Is Defenses are going to try to stop saquon. They're not afraid of of of meaning and that makes some efficient some unefficent running but it also is part of the reason inefficient. Did I say on back on efficient. We're back there. I correct it too. Yeah you did that which is also my verbiage is very efficient. It's true the but the reality is that's part of the reason he has these big breakaway place right because the defense is there. They're not worried too much about the deep ball. They're crowding the line and if you break through that line nobody's catching saquon Barkley. I'm fine with sake one at one. I'm fine with Christian at one eighty. Who Do you pick? I think I think we go saquon here in <hes> look. You're not going to go wrong with either. One last year McCaffrey broke records catching the ball out of the backfield still was appointed game worse than Saquon last season so for both players you could see a little bit of aggression in some some variables but the workloads guaranteed for both. I don't fault anybody for going either direction but I think we take saquon here so let's grab him. McCaffrey goes to Zeke goes three Chimera four left bell up at five there has been a resurgence of sorts for the left. Bell troopers not not just on the basis of him saying he's going to be great <hes> because I think he said the last year when he didn't play Yankees that he was going to be you know you said it was going to be his best year. Ever it was not know no it was the best tears minute for like his instagram. Yes okay and his albums devante Adams. I wide receiver off the board at one. Oh six then David Johnson one. Oh seven. I love that De'andre Hopkins James Connor had somebody message message me on twitter about David Johnson keeper situation saying to pivot to carry on. Do you Pitino not over David. No you don't no you don't David Johnson's workload is more guaranteed and carry on's and <hes> both you know their offense has some optimism around it. David Johnson's a better pick yeah even from the Kerryon Johnson Intruder I agree completely hopkins at one away connor one nine connor into the first round here. He's been been around there. Julio Jones lead for Uconn at one ten Michael Thomas at to a one uncle Toms tyreek at two Oh two in girly mixing Gordon dropping to two or five here and then charge. Would you take him there at two zero five yeah I'd take him over Nick Chop and that's who went after him so I think to fives about you know it depends I feel that day. Mike take a look in a good mood or completely fair of completely fair response I now you wouldn't take him over. delvin Cook though I would not and Cook is still on the board so no I guess I guess you cannot come down a couple more. I think he is <music> out of my top two rounds as of now it's so hard knick Chubb Ju Ju Kelsey at two Oh eight Beckham and then we're back on the clock and what's interesting you know on the draft like this where at the turn we got two picks back to back and we have to a number of things here. We have to consider the fact. It's a long wait. We have to consider the fact that we took a running back a a one c three wide receiver draft if we happen to avoid if we didn't go wide receiver with any of these two picks you're talking about taking a wide receiver your first just one in a league at four ten. Yeah it's really this is a genuinely difficult situation. We find ourselves in because it's going to be twenty. Tony picks before we make our next election like when I'm looking at the board here you've got Antonio Brown and Mike Evans T. Y.. Hilton Kina now and they're all good options but they're not they're they're to me. They're not great options. Whereas Dalvand Cook is a great option at a really rare to have great option position but then can you do that because this is? This is what people only to know when they're at the turn and this it's harder to play the A._D._p.. Game it's harder. You've got to be careful when you're at the one or two or the eleven or twelve elven your league near the turn do you are you forced. Are we forced into taking one of those wide receivers so that we don't end up with our first wide receiver being Kenny Golladay. Yes I think we probably are I mean cook is a t now Mike I want you to jump in and give your thoughts cook his the tear difference to me here <hes> of picking a running back where cook checks all the boxes for me pass catching involvement goal line involvement seventy five percent of top ten running backs folks are on a winning team. I think Minnesota's winning team upside I obviously in the one of the more bullish delvin cook owners. I think he'd probably lumped Damian Williams in category. But what are you thinking about with our picture might I I I don't feel backed into wide receiver because Damian Williams and and Alvin Cook are there but I would go that direction because I disagree where I have you know T. Y.. Hilton is as a great often. He's currently number eight for me and a half point N._p._R.. Scoring format I loved Hawaii Hilton and I really really like Mike Evans I man I'd probably take both those guys over Antonio Brown Mr Mr Big Chess Mr hot air balloon and started because we have we have Barkley we have one locked and loaded. Sir Charles Guaranteed guaranteed running back Studt as guaranteed as you can get in fantasy football so personally I would be taking too wide receivers and my favorites left on the board will be Mike Evans and T. Y.. Hilton <hes> Julian Edelman is right around that area for me. I doubt he comes back but I would be willing to. Let's make the chance make a wide receiver decision here first okay because we I need one Antonio Brown. Mike Evans Mike. You take two white outs where we're at least they can one. I think there's no chance that with back to back picture that I wouldn't take at least Alvin Cook <hes> just because I think running backs we see that right like when when it comes back to our next turn we're going to be much much much lower. You know maybe a Robert Wood who to me is an awesome wide receiver comes back to us at the you know he's even possible. I think it is possible more one on one of the one of the Rams I mean one of the random maybe Cooper Cup comes back and then the the last name 'cause to not stay here forever but the big the biggest benefactor benefactor to me. If Melvin Gordon holds out Mrs Time aside from new running backs come into play I Keano now and would turn into an absolute target machine when he would research to that level that we have seen where he becomes the focal point of the offense so if you believe that Melvin Gordon is going to miss time time I think you should move Keenan out up your board because of the long way because of the fact that you know Andrew Luck dealing with this weird calf issue t. y.. Hilton opens not normally a high reception total player. I don't know if I want him to be the anchor of the wide receiver core. We'll just wait. He would just be one taking three one three one. No I'm saying I'm saying we're probably we're voting on Davin Cook here so I wrote against I wrote for you're so we're we're taking Galveston now. Mike this is what I'm talking about. We get to pick one wide receiver here. I just don't know how comfortable I am with the luck situation with Hilton's hiltons volume where I wouldn't rather take an Antonio Brown Mike Evans you can make the pick Mr Right. I took Dalvin so you get to pick our wide receiver. Hilton Allen my rankings. I know it's Derek Carr. I know that you know it's not as there's not going to be as many times I like O._D.. Here the browns the best wide receiver in the game is the clear one for his team and we've seen wide receiver one numbers come from their car in the past pass and they weren't Antonio Brown's that would be where I go but Mike Evans right behind him Keenan to speak to your point. was I mean I is small sample. He's played three games aims without Melvin Gordon there at all but he averages almost five fantasy points more per game. You'll be awesome without Melva Gordon. I don't disagree so I think does your strike all right. Mike Evans I feel like I was outvoted onto it and so I will compromise and take Evans Okay so saquon Barkley Cook my gibbons. That's our it through three rounds drafting from the one one. No complaints no complaints there Damian Williams goes right after Evans I quarterback off the Board Mahomes Mahomes at three zero three scenes in normal a little bit of a wide receiver run Hilton Allen Brown for net Henry Mac feeling and kill at the turn. Oh Man Aaron Jones devante free. I know that kind of I mean rather woods has to be on the board. That's what happened. Not only is Robert Woods on the board but Jewel Julian Edelman is is also on the board so both of our gamble's paid off. I think this off season of us taking the gambles during our market has not paid off but this one here we're saving now my team as we saved the Karma for this moment right here in time where we can take Julian animate look if you can start a three wide receiver for draft with Saquon Barkley Alvin Cook Mike Evans Robert Woods Julian Edelman which would be if those were our two picks. Are I five. You've got three Stud wide receivers to stud running backs. I mean I you know I'm on record saying I truly believe Robert. Woods is a a low and wide receiver one. If not the best wide receiver to in the game I believe he's the one this season for the rams like he was last year so I'm all in on on woods just to set the table for those listening listening Josh Jacobs Mark Ingram Sony Michelle Chris Carson. That's the running back here that were in our running. Backs are so incredibly strong is that is the best tandem. If you look at other teams in this draft you could argue. I mean David Johnson. Joel makes really strong. That's another one of the teams in this draft McCaffrey Williams for me would be very strong as Christian McCaffrey and they got Damian Williams in the third and in Love Bell Nick Chubb where the the only other team that went running back running back but this is where you look back you say okay what what Be as good so I think that's one of the things when you have the chance to take a top end running back. You just have to do it. Yeah and I think that the distraction can be a league where you have three wide receivers. I mean I it can cause you to disproportionately not consider going rb heavy. You gotta fill the spot but there's so so many mid to late round wide receivers that if you listen to this show were really excited and passionate are that you're going to get to take your shot on also my counterpoint would just be we the the wide receivers that produce are the wide receivers that produce. I feel the top end wide receivers. I'm feeling a bit safer safer with them especially when I have to fill out three lander's legs here's thing Robert Woods Julian Edelman. Yes it works out the the gamble worked out this time I guess we're taking both those guests you're right so Evans Woods Edelman in the third fourth and fifth rounds after Barkley and cooked to open the draft which by the wait I'm not concerned about William and stuff right and for reference for the listeners we took Robert Wood about the rest Amati. We'll see yeah we took those wide receivers over we took Robert Woods over brandin cooks which I believe in <hes> over Kennedy Golladay Chris Godwin Tyler Lockett <hes> you know I see those those two players as we took as a tier above all of those guys well not necessarily gonna go but yeah people make that decision between woods cooks and some people go both because talk about a you get a floor you get a ceiling if you have both of those players. Jacobs Ingram Cooks went next <hes> some highlights from this round Chris Carson percent at five zero nine. It's interesting I would i. I like Carson quite a bit better than five. Oh nine in this draft myself lock it wrapped up the round <hes> Sony Michelle at six O One Cooper Cup at six Oh to <hes> O._J.. Howard off the board with the fourth pick of the sixth around Aaron Rodgers Deshaun Watson also went at the quarterback position? <hes> were back on the on the clock on the turn right now Barclay Cook Evans Woods. It's an edelman talk to me about your thought process with our roster shirt action right now so and this is the this would be a very pivotal decision for our roster construction because here is the point where the tight end tier right now Evan Ingram and Hunter Henry remain on the board. I Have Ingram Ingram rated higher but if we miss like if we don't take tied in with one of these two picks those guys are not coming back and there were making the decision Asian go full punt to go to punt and then at the end of the draft take our favourite value. It's value old man or or maybe Mark Andrews as the new hotness this so Jay. How're you feeling? We started with Saquon Barkley. Are you feeling comfortable going having Barclay and Evan Ingram as a staff I'm not I'm not really loving that stack. We talked about the problems that we see right now with the New York giants and while I do like Evan Ingram I think he's a decent pick here in in a vacuum not only in the vacuum but with Golden Tate missing four games I mean that's you like guys get off to a Oh hot start and I believe that Evan Ingram will be a huge beneficiary in assuming that the suspension is held up for Golden Tate before games. That's that's a that's a good star seventy can that he can help be a week winning type of player before he returns to just a a middle tier. It definitely bring up a good point in the sense that I think it's far more important. How players start if you're an active fantasy football player? You're trying to win your championship. You'RE GONNA be making roster moves left right and center I mean I know that you know in the League record that the you know <hes> two years ago got championship there. I had one player that I drafted. There was on that championship roster. That's the so getting Evan Ingram off to a hot start. I would like that the problem is we discussed this a little bit last week. I don't believe the Golden Gate suspension is going to hold up before games. You guys completely discreet so that might be where we differ there. I don't think you take Evan Ingram here because you have three white outs and an extra in the flex spot so you need to like for us with the long wait. I just don't think it's worth trading in one of the better talents at at at the positions we need to start. Three wideouts Affleck's depth at the running back position -sition. I don't think he's worth trading that in right here for we would be taking our flex with our second pick. We're back to back with two running backs three wide receivers and running back through outer souverain Affleck's league. It's one ostrich asserting trot roster construction-wise I would rather take a running back and a wide receiver to bolster those positions. Give us depth that both positions because if later in the draft we end up with a Vance McDonald or David and Joe Cou. I'M NOT GONNA BE UPSET THAT WE missed out on Evan Ingram but if later in the draft I feel like our depth that wide receiver running back aren't aren't that good then then I will and then also Jeff Daniels Place Ingram could be in trouble short. We don't WanNa have Daniel Jones ruined saquon and Ingram <hes> there are white quarterbacks on the board that we would never take care but people listening who may be believing early round quarterbacks Baker May feel Matt Ryan Carson Carson Wentz who we all really like or at least Andy and I really like is on the board right now. I adore him. Yeah I adore him but you just don't there. There are so many great quarterbacks out there that it doesn't make sense to to deviate from a running back or wide receiver that you need so many of so I would continued upon that position as well running back options a lot of the scat back type James White to recall ended up just talked about Tariq Cohen on Thursday. He was my mid round madness. Pick <hes> right now. It's <hes> Lamar Miller Rashad Penny. I think this is this is a question of roster construction so we've got dalvin Cook and Saquon Barkley Yep so do we feel we need to go safe <hes> with a Lamar Miller so we've got another you know guaranteed starter on a decent offense or do you WanNa go upside to re Cohen. I argue that cone is safer than Lamar Miller because Tarik Cohen doesn't have a role. That's going to be replaced in my opinion you you've gotta Guy Those rb thirteen last year who lines up in the slot in the wide receiver position whereas whereas Lamar Miller is is maybe his maybe his floor is like a little bit higher than Coen's floor but you know thirteen straight weeks Coen's for is pretty good last here. I would say better offense. I think the bears offense is better than the Texans well for yeah. Maybe not better off offense. Just GonNA check. They're better off coach implementing a system getting running backs the ball and space that to me does make sense when I looked no the Houston Texas have a better offense because they've got the better quarterback her back but as far as utilize a wide receiver but utilization of the running back I do give that over to Scott goes I would be fine with to Rico and here I have drafted him know where I made in my arguments against him on last episode animators arguments for him yeah. I'M NOT GONNA force the issue with him. Landry Boy Jeffrey Anderson pettus Allen Robinson on the <hes> D._J.. More on the wide receiver side Mike when you look at the options at running back options of wide receiver. Do you still believe Evan. Ingram is the right picture have I. I do <hes> we have. We have two picks so that I think that is a a nice spot to be in but we're we're just we're in such a different tiered world. At this point I because it also hurts me that I'm not. I'm not high on jeans White Archery Cohen at where I feel like most fantasy players at at this spot in the draft. There'd be salivating to take one of those running backs so that's why that what gets me to lean. Let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. Do you believe because his only our third running back of we take a running back here. Do you believe you're going to be able to start Tariq Cohen in a League of this format with a flex position <hes>. Do you think you'd be able to start him through the duration of the season <hes>. Do you think any change about his start. Start from the beginning to the end. 'cause that's where Miller could go wrong. Our depth piece running back Miller could lose some of that role over the duration the season the way I'm framing it. I Got Cohen can be fled. I was saying can we played throughout the season is think Lamar Miller's. I'm fine going Cohen here. If that's the pig we WANNA make but for for Miller I think that his role is actually very safe that the reports on forman are still not positive <music> at all there they have been talking about finding a third down back so Lamar Miller could be seeing more of that work but I don't think when it comes to the primary rushing Washington's Lamar Miller is going to be challenged at all Jason. I'm going to hand this selection off to you all right. If it's up to me. I'm going to listen to do the advice from last episode on the mid around Madness <hes> I'm going to take to Rico and because I do think that the floor is near the same obviously if something were to happen to David Montgomery and Tariq is a fine play on his own but should something happen to David Montgomery. Tariq Cohen becomes a star Star and I don't think there's a world where Lamar Miller's Arrow can really go up you know he he he nothing can happen this season other than just an asinine amount of tackles at the one yard line which even then still probably just means John Jackson runs at a bud watts downs watson so we're going to say the forum it is that I would <hes> I would go to Rick Cohen here and then probably I mean I. I Love Dante Pettis Tyler Boyd. <HES> <HES> is another good option. I would say those two are the wide receivers that come to mind and I would rather have a wide receiver of that caliber. I think take Tyler Boyd because you can pick Cohen and boyd to flex. Let's say you start week. One and you could play those guys in the flex position until you get to the buys you can play the better matchup for Cohen and Boyd Boy's GonNa get off to a hot start without A._J.. Green potentially or at least with a guaranteed target volume that it makes you talk with him in the flex by his target count. I'm not I'm not ready to say that Tyler. Boyd is a better player with A._J.. Green for the duration of his career <hes> because targets matter and we'll see what happens but I think boy is probably the right pick here and I haven't taken a mock yet so boyd and Pettus. They're both I mean they're almost identical because our personal rankings and you do have buoyed up at twenty which is the highest <hes> but we've we've all got him twenty three or twenty four four pettus and boyd the arrest of them back to back so I personally I would lean pettus in the sense that I believe he he can be the one for that team and so because we've already got three star star solid wide receivers take the gamble at the higher upside which I think is pedestals. I do think the safer floor because he's already broken out is Tyler Tyler Boyd. They're both great. Picks are both widely twos. I'm fine with either Sir if I if this were my team and I was running at I would've taken Robbie Anderson here over those guys yes interesting interesting Robbie Anderson every room so those would have been your picks right more than likely you okay all right. Pettus went right after Boyd. I ended up taking boyd. <hes> <hes> still find pick will fuller James Vine Pick Matt Ryan and Baker going in the seventh round turning it around breeze and Wilson in the eighth round <hes> believe it it or not you know at least in this draft Eric Hebron ended up going ahead of Evan Ingram Hunter Henry and Ingram both went and saw around Ingram Rome almost came back around most <hes> Alshon Jeffery Sammy Watkins on Robinson off the board ahead of us. You know this is obviously took us a lot more time to make the picks at the sixth and seventh round but that's how drafts are I mean. It's pretty easy. You put your draft board together. You get stuff together. You got your favorites at the top up. You know the most about those players when you get into those middle rounds you need to play through a few scenarios in your head you need to play through few scenarios with the opposing teams and how they're Li their our teams are forming so right now our roster at running back we have Barclay Cook and Cohen at wide receiver. We have Evans Woods settlement in Boyd Lead. We're on the clock here at the eight ten and nine zero one well so a couple of things stand out to me. <hes> obviously everything I see one of them. Everything Room left. <hes> Vance. McDonald is still there which were rely on and Carson Wentz. Actually you know who would have been okay ish pick last round is is there so <hes> that's worth saying but Lamar Miller who we were deciding between or last round over the course the turn came back and it's rare to get that kind of depth. Are we all on board to take Lamar Miller then since he came back around to us or is that need still there <hes> yeah the need is still there is good advice the need for running back. It's always it's always there and guys at least higher in the A._D._p.. Left Darrell well Anderson or a drill Anderson Are you looking at upside now with Gallup Mile Sanders who you know you say Lamar Miller my lose the passing game work half P._R.. Lake Mile Sanders could get all the passing game. Oh yes one wants. Miles Sanders acclimated even the Jordan Howard is a fine player. He's a fine grinder. Mile Sanders was selected highly early for a reason I believe for the Eagles to utilize him but I think it will also take a couple of weeks before that to gain some. I take more than that yeah. My daughter might take half a season sure <hes> but as you're running back four or five I think the Mile Sanders this is. He's very interesting. So which one do you like more there Jason. I still like Lamar Miller because I know that he is the starting running. I'm back for a good offense. Mike you brought up the stats while ago top five and carries over the last few years top five yards over the last few years is just the touchdowns that don't come when you're talking about ball's not when you're talking about bolstering depth. I think it's a good pick I do believe ironically that despite talking about Lamar Miller being close close to grabbing him last round because he was our fourth running back that you you could pivot tomorrow Sanders and go higher upside I want I want somebody buddy that can step in and be a superior flex player over the back half of the year. That's what I'm looking at this point in time I in psalm like who's got the highest chance of doing that for me. Then I would say that might be Durell Henderson right. I mean if he become Durell on the show all of a sudden yeah I notice in this yeah did why did he come on his podcast because because my call them forty two names Yeah Daryl Henderson because I've infected Jason I can see where I was trying to read his name but I was also trying to read ahead at the exact same time to aren't l Anderson. I must say Darnell Anderson would <music> such a good because look if you're just talking upside like I Lamar Miller much safer is Israel is known Henderson's upside is only there with with injuries. Darnall Anderson's Anderson's upside of Todd Gurley goes down or if he ends up even I mean look how good C. J. Anderson was is in the playoff run. Even when Todd Gurley came back the so you're you're all know you you guys picked between Sanders and Miller. Don't Give Me Daryl Henderson. I'm still looking at filling out this roster right here. I want a super sanders and I would take Lamar Miller Brady. It's no it's up to Brooks. I'm not like that Brooks Brooks between Lamar Miller and Mile Sanders. I'm taking Darnell Anderson off the Board Mile Sanders poor. What do you got Brooks? Who where do you lean Lamar Miller? Gosh here that excitement. It'd be so enthusiastic judge at wide receiver there are a so we we can obviously do the dance dance. Take a tight in here. Go Carson Wentz quarterback advance or Carson for me to me so many guys in the same tier wide receiver. Jimmy Carson is not in the running even though I love him because there's so many if I ended up with Kyla Mary Cam Newton Jared Goff. I'm ecstatic and I think there's also a ten Tintin League one of those you're notable quarterbacks out the board. You can take them even later. Yeah I think one of those guys realistically could end up back with us. That'd be a static so all right. Let's speed it up. Mike your mid round Man Sky Marvin Johnston on the clock Larry Fitzgerald envious envious <hes> Sterling Shepard who deceptively still still going to be probably a top guy offense but we've got Barclay Christian Kirk on the board. Do you go with your mid round guy or do you go with Vance McDonald here Mike or do you have another idea in mind. Oh man give me the abridged. The abridged analysis is it would be Marvin Jones's. It would be at the top top of the list unless I wanted. Take dance with Donald and not worry about it. I'm not going to give you the pick and one's Egg Marvin Jones Arvin Jones's Gone Dang hanging upside play L. Andersen tax so Darnell Anderson my favorite nickname we've ever player. It's just it is a different name my favorite nickname. This guy is completely different human anderson a totally different name Mr Henderson we oppose because you oh you snap food the name you know huge fashion then you pass it onto Jason. He became Durrell for a reason. Not The virus Darnell said look what I would have done and the reason I wanted you to pass picked me is because I think Andy was right. There's a lot of wide receivers in the same tier a lot of guys that I really liked M._v._s.. I was sure could make him back to who us and I would have taken a quarterback M._v._S. this coming turn and I would therefore taken basement Donald Morte therefore so Vance McDonald and then here I would have taken quarterback and NBA if I told you we got Vance anyway. The advanced McDonnell drops to us. I would be very happy and that's going to happen because jared cook is going to go ahead of ants in a lot of drafts advanced dropped in Giokoo went ahead advance and we got Vance at ten ten and always pay attention to your dram. I it's Mike Fault. He took Marvin Jones and it let you are welcome. Yeah always pay attention to WHO has selected a tight end because if most teams have already taken can one it's very unlikely in these types of leagues at a player's going to select two tight ends. They may end up taking a backup quarterback because a lot of fancy players will like to do that. They like to waste a roster spot with that second quarterback nowhere league but they're generally not gonNA take a second tight end but you're going to be Marquis Valda scan. It is not know at this point. There's no way I could pass up Cam Newton. I do think that the the likelihood of people taking a second quarterback back versus that second tight end would Hamou Jared Goff here in the Eleventh Round Yes Cam Newton to me is a top five fantasy quarterback. He almost always is in fact. He's he is always if you play games. He's the top six fantasy quarterback sixty percent of the time everytime almost always always dance last year was a top three quarterback before his shoulder got injured. He's healthy back. We're on fire. This is the best his wide receiver core is amazing. You know we're we're big. Fans Curtis Samuel Big Fans D._J.. Okay more hey. I'm shocked you passed on 'em V._S.. There when you probably could've come back around and I'll bet I still the truth of the matter is is if you didn't take him there which I gave you. The pick took Cam Newton <hes> cuyler Goth Winston rivers all went in the next turn. We only had three picks left in general so I'm pretty happy with that decision. Jason We got our final title two picks right here last three were Jones Vance dance and Cam Newton <hes> give him his due and go ahead with with the last two picks looking at our roster right. We've got four Andy like someone one. We've got four running back saquon Cook that was borderline inappropriate. I just yeah GimMe Gimme. The Pitch Lamar Miller at we've got one one more wide receiver with Mike Evans Robert Woods Julian Edelman Tyler Marva Jones. We've got a tight end. We've got a quarterback so we need another wider. I would say we grab one white out one running back back to bolster the roster. I know that's what I want to Sean Jackson in every league and <hes> am I draft him twice in some leagues I might I might give it a shot <hes> when take him anyone ever done that like every year. It's you just you countdown to the moment that someone drafts a player lawyer. That's already been drafted. has anyone ever drafted a player. That's already on their team well. I I'll tell you what this year I'm planning on Drafting Daryl Henderson and Darnell well Anderson back to bat good picks so no that is always fun when you're at the draft and somebody somebody that's already been taken never the the same team away that it is on Iran Iq and they didn't mean to do so they are the ones that took them early in the draft. They're the ones that draft and wait on hold on is is Marvin Joe still aboard. I will take Marvin. No you took him three rounds ago there would be i. I think I have our to our moment. I think I have two picks and here's why I think that 'cause I have two picks that I want. I know our Andy's guys so I've already got a two thirds vote because the Sean Jackson I think is a great pick here. Were were super late. He's gone onto and my other one is Burrito. Mr Poli Burrito himself Matt Burrito. Oh Macarena is a great value Berita Jerick McKinnon. He had his knee swell up and had problems map. ARITA was a really efficient efficient running back in cow Shanahan's system last year to be able to grab a guy who could be the starting running back for the San Francisco Forty niners in Kyle Shanahan's offense who's proven he could do it. I mean you'll know week one. If BERITA has value or not so we can cut him easily or he's got value value. We can trade him or start him so I I that's where I would go but Mike do you see someone you think you could convince me off of the Rookies Justice Hill Devon single accountable but I would take over blige because of the offensive system being a better situation for Brita but I mean I mean it's a split situation situation for both guys we nobody had huge success last year but it was also a V. opportunistic of him and I don't uh I don't think the situation will be nearly the same Caleb Lage's. They're speaking of opportunistic. Justin Jackson is still there. If Melvin Gordon is going to to hold out just Jackson will be great. Pick here no because you're GONNA cut him. If the if holds out your one hundred percent right yeah at least you could decide you can cut that before maybe Saimaa Burrito and speaking knowing who is going to be of a useful guy for you in week one. You're going to know hi John Line that argument because at least before the season you can cut Justin Jackson and potentially signed Brita or Balaj her name hines or Devon single tariff process hill. There's a lot of options here. I do like this is the thing when you're at your last pick. What you don't want to do is get a guy who maybe could develop over the course of a season with your last pick? You WanNa get a guy who you know week. One what you have and what you don't you do have that with Justin Jackson because if Melvin Gordon stays out then you've got a great option if he's back you come and sign someone else victory lap you get to do when you make your last pick and then the bad news how has already got him. I saw the future it's like when I drafted James Connor with my last pick and then cut him Sunday night and that was the Monday before belt decided he wasn't playing football. I feel bad you convince me and I was happy. I got to Sean Jackson so I'm happy they're <hes> saquon Barkley delvin cooked to recall and Lamar Miller and Justin Jackson at the running back position two running back three wide receiver league with the Flex Evans as in Mike Evans Robert Woods truly now delman Tyler Boyd Marvin Jones and D Jacks ax at the wide receiver position in a league that needs some extra reinforcements at the white out and then we got Vance McDonald in the Tenth Round Got Cam Newton in the eleventh eleventh round the I'm not sure you can execute tight end and quarterback better than that you cannot that's incredible value so that's our that's our team we did. We did it throw. It wasn't sure we were GONNA make it. Yeah you never quite sure on the fantasy footballers podcast but look if you need some help with your draft be sure to check out the ultimate draft kit at ultimate drafted dot com hope you enjoyed the mock draft. 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The Kist & Solak Show #106: Eye On the Enemy - Rams' Offense

Bleeding Green Nation

48:09 min | 1 year ago

The Kist & Solak Show #106: Eye On the Enemy - Rams' Offense

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season one of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation look the baseball season is one hundred sixty two games and there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the bills goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out our other great podcasts including the award winning the dirty inning with just inclu and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze rozier subscribe on Apple podcasts all your favorite podcast App Michael Kissed you copy listening again Benjamin so land. It's the kissed in selection presented by espy nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and so lack showed this is episode one. It was six brought to you by the fine folk at S._p.. Be Nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host. Michael Kissed follow me on bleeding greenish dot com follow me on twitter at Michael Kissed N._F._l.. At K. I._S._D.. As always joined by the best dog on Co host in the game Mister eight-year Street Mr Nine year streak nine year streak without a bad day. That was a habit sorry about that Ben. She is Benjamin Sollac follow him on twitter at Benjamin so lack. That's S. O.. L. A. K. Ben. How're you doing brother sproles his back? Yes which I'm really pissed because I have a tweet somewhere is it's about how I thought they were going to resign. sproles clearly did not use sproles or Darren in the tweet. A positive exists can't find it but I wrote about basis so i always made sense to me. They'd like they had Jordan. Howard is not a pass catcher? They have mile sanders owners who wasn't really a pass gadgets could happy they pass catcher and then they had a bunch of guys who they'd like to become Darren sproles Allah who are not yet Darren sproles and then they had Dansk roles is a free agent and so once especially when Sanderson jeter being unhealthy and Camp I mean it just makes a lot of sense like here's here's the thing there are resigning scrolls event minimum. I'm out of no that officially but there's no way it's not and then he's GonNa come into camp and if there's a younger player could give them what sproles will give them in two thousand nineteen keep the younger player I mean they will. It's not like you house. Frozen going to go to some other team in Burnham's plan for the heels in two thousand nine hundred and applying those are two options and certainly there's a degree of people complaining about this League Masala Jaw and and you know signing the guy leadership from locker room and trying to get him super bowl ring again. Play whatever doc because you have rhythm twenty seventeen but obviously you know he wasn't a healthy that all that being said sproles is still a player like defensive will recognize as a unique threat is still a quick elusive back with good contact hacked balances effective as a receiver because of his experience because of that ingrained intuition the only guy from applying for a long time like sprawls has not been highly effective eagles Apache seasons. He's been very beat up when he's been on the field. It's not like he's been fantastic runner but that's never would sprawls about roles was always about being that potential receiving threat to pretend to receiving option who went he is on the field it forces defenses into conscious thought into confidence over the fact that exposes there and how they have to account for that and you want to be Houston Texans accents just tagging with linebacker in the Eagles will get that one game out of sproles and this is the one game out of sproles then like who cares. You probably weren't getting one good game out of Josh Adams or Boston Scott Up on free right like you probably weren't. I'm fully there for you too you but I even I don't think that given right and so it so low risk that it's the only reason that people are upset about because it's rely so let's say sproles gets injured and then you call somebody up from the practice. Squad in the guy on the practice squad might have been the person that you were going to keep anyway. He isn't pushing anybody of value out. Good player receiving back makes a ton of sense. Is the third running back like what are we talking about here. Oh well injuries are important because you know we were doing running back. Well you know what hopefully seventeen running backs. Don't get injured. I don't know what to tell you know. Team has five really good running backs. I I don't get that argument. I think the monster who made her first I <hes> guest appearance on the show is about the maker second sounds like she's rousing. Oh you got sick doggy. She's not she's not sick. She's she's just is she. She gets suber rowdy around this time of day recently which is really annoying. We have to take a road trip tonight so I was trying to tire her anyway. Matters is if we got into week four and sanders had still been gimpy and Josh Window Small and had been predictably ineffective and they signed roles to be like all right roles correct me but they did earlier like I don't really think sproles takeaway significant growth reps from Boston Scott like now this Boston do much training camp and if Scott can give them sproles ESKIMO. They'll keep Scott aw one hundred percent well. I promise I really promised come on very certain but securing roles for training camp getting him in seeing healthy he is. I don't think they're making any beyond that minimum. It's really just like very okay. It's okay guys it's it's. It's a very basic and okay move that I feel we have covered here because it's so basic and simple and we're going to be talking a lot about the eagles coming up here. Training camp is here now. We're not going to be talking about training camp today. Hey we're GONNA BE GETTING UPDATES FROM BILL GEE if you're around for when they had the mandatory mini cams and the rookie minicamp and all that stuff all that stuff that was open to the media you know that me and beal g were record after the practices go over what happened and whatnot but we don't have any of that yet as record here early on Tuesday morning so what we're going to be doing is an eye on the enemy series we're going to be doing the Los Angeles Rams so keep an eye out for all those training camp updates. We'll have at the podiums with the press. Conferences riches will have all that stuff coming your way. It's actually going to be a really jam-packed week. I'm supposed to talk with Brian Westbrook this week. I didn't know that yeah eight yet. Come on man. This is what I do just to fully stunned on me school. I appreciate that trying to get Joe Gilio or Justin Gilio as you may know him from the art of the take to come on here this week to talk some Carson Wentz or we're going to have a range of gas. We're going to have a ton of coverage a lot of stuff coming your way but we do need to get through this. I on the enemy series and part of doing that is looking around not only in the N._F._C. East Ace which regarded done and I posted that link at B._G._N.. Underscore radio concerning the three teams that we've done in the division for the Eagles now we're looking outside of the division still inside of the N._F._C. East looking for the main contenders for the eagles one of those being being of course the Super Bowl losers. The Los Angeles Rams so why don't we start with the coaches here in the maybe we can talk some some general roster construction and whatnot boy yeah but golden boy with Sean mcvay. I don't think that there is any question that he is a great offensive. Mine in that said I do think there are more question marks out there than the national media really wants to recognize. We've talked a ton about the rams stretch on offense starting with the week thirteen lions game after the by being like the line of demarcation for them in terms of wind defense is really displayed a solid understanding of how to slow down there passing game other teams like the seahawks were doing unlike tightening their fronts earlier in the season slowdown there whitestone schemes which is really their base package teams. Were starting to get that way but like week thirteen is that line from that line the rams went from third and touchdown drive efficiency before there by to sixteenth for the rest of the season to the playoffs some of that has to do with Cooper Cup absolutely some of it has to do with Todd girlies knee. I get that girly being hurt took away their wide zone schemes to go away their screen game based off of that but you're talking about the healthiest team the N._F._l.. Over the last three years and the fourth healthiest team last year that stuff is going to happen if you're an eagles fan listening to this and you probably are you know better than anybody else. After last year that injuries are going to happen and like I mentioned it wasn't just about the injuries defensive stop respecting the jet sweep and leading an influence them and pull them out zones. They played more quarters with depth to handle the ten and twelve yard break points in the passing game with the reduce splits that the rams loves so much and admittedly I love them to we saw a myriad of other things from the Patriots and seahawks playing tighter Fronton side to the lines manning up bunch straight up no switches we saw Jim Schwartz get out of his comfort zone for once and blitz goth six six times on third and five or less. This is stuff. We talked about throughout the season on here and football minds much smarter than me have documented them at length defenses crack. The Cote McVeigh's a great offensive mind like I said what separates a great offense of mind from a great coach is the ability to adapt adapt. The loss of two skill players should not turn your offense into a Pumpkin. That's the challenge for me when it comes to mcvay headed into two thousand nineteen. There's plenty of reason to say that he'll figure it out. You'll have plenty success because not what every defensive coordinator playoff-caliber coach and not every team can match their talent but I don't think it's crazy for me to suggest that some of those struggles and regressions linger going into next season unhappy ended the day with back on you and I was GonNa say I it's verified these great offense of mind now what you lost a running back on wide receiver in your offense completed so are you right in terms of linking the empty in the grant. That's great coach. I mean we're parsing vernacular here. Yeah what's interesting to me is as and this is critical McVeigh offense coordinator for what three years with the redskins towns go two thousand fourteen years promoting coordinator and then three years in the twenty seventeen is higher for that goes to the rams so five years calling him offense <music> losing a key slot receiver on a team that is heavily middle. The field oriented does not use his running backs for check down sewer often gonNA hurt the loss of Uber Cup is GonNa hurt as notable supercop fans from from the draft Michael Guest bedroom so lack. We are not sad here that he went to Los Angeles became vertical. We love that for big vapors but you know if you want if you WANNA take it from the Eagles argument perspective Doug Peterson was out there good offense nights and then he lost Carson Wentz and then the offense stayed good Yanni living and there were and there were significant documented you know apart by awesome by people changes that were made when Nick foles was put in the starting position because Carson Wentz down in twenty seventeen you know after they beat the Ramsey case you're running. Keep him on. We're talking about moving on from a Cooper Cup injury a slot receiver to a quarterback difference big difference and one of the things that was really lauded in that transition mission is the <hes> the collective mind is the approach of our. We're GONNA pull a lot of things aligned. Different spots was D- Filipa with Reich even press Taylor his job of just like watching college tape and coming up stupid ideas. You know what I mean like. This was all held in large wrecks the super bowl feminists. You've always been out of the way that it was but you get increased access to wieting successful win the Super Bowl and this was what was heralded Philadelphia McVeigh. You know West Coast born bred grew tonight runs a beautiful west lasko system that is distill rate is sharpened. It is McVeigh's agreements of mine. He doesn't do complex things. He does simple things though the rams run exclusively to personnel sets eleven until I won eleven o'clock excuse me that's. Eh bed no snaps in ten. They had no snaps at twenty two. You don't need snaps intentionally to be successful. That's not the argument. The Rams officers very successful without them Alva this is this is simplified. There's not a high variety of play concepts APPs of play calls in McVeigh's offense airs a lower number if I can chime in on that real quick. They're like you said they're not trying to lie to you. They pass out of shotgun ninety six percent of the time the League averages seventy seven fourteen runs out of shotgun. There's less right so they're in shock and they're telling you hey it's coming out from God's there's no right they run play action more than any other team in the league the most at any team this decade besides the two thousand twelve Washington redskins football outsider ALMANAC act which R._G.. Three and it was just like everything was reduction right and then they run the ball second or third most in the league this is not. They're doing some very simple. Things very very well right. This is not a criticism. This isn't exultation that is how it should should be make your offense easy to understand make it easy to enact made easy to to be successful easy produce but there should be at least a interchangeability in the sense that Rwasa Cooper cop shouldn't destroy Roy Jared Goff and if you have a post about Jared Goff right now lingering nation but if you go and you look at and he talks slower said he can find the sheet if you look at Jared Goff splits active in inactive with cooper coach completion percentage shops six percent Yup <unk> attempt to drop about thirty three percent air yards per attempt dropped about thirty three percent we saw the interception rate increase and we saw the touchdown right decrease we saw the sack rates they basically the same Garrett Gary Goth off got significantly worse using performances a measure of the rams passing offense when coupling down you have two options either interchangeability. You need somebody else who can play cups role because you know Robert Wood stays here. Brandin cooks stays at acts cups days of the slot and they'll move them. We need to do his job or you need to change the offense when you lose them and neither one of those things happened yet which is very permissible and it circles back to. I said the beginning five years apply collar. It's okay to not be great at this. It's really hard dealing with injury if it was easy injured when it matters much but it matters a lot it ends and then seasons for teams cam new down the panthers were six two. He goes down there. One seven like implant Kimmy went down the whole team. Stop dealing with injuries hard word but it's something that's going to be expected from great coaches which I would argue if we look at some of the great coaches that we have now bill belichick offense as Lilly predicated on the idea of interchangeability right like no one matters in that offense. Everybody did Super Socialism Salem's <unk> Doug Peterson. I'M GONNA put him up. There has shown mammal will times he can lose significant offense of pieces namely as quarterback and still have put a successful offense out on the Field Yup. I would argue that you have Sean Payton Andy Andy Reid who are also up there who was successfully designing offenses portraying plus years like we're GONNA put McVeigh in the upper echelon which I would love to then I want him to be able to have his offense respond to losses and injury and be able to change relatives. What's going on now? Does the big criticism around the Super Bowl. Rice mcvay came out pitching the same stop when the Patriots had two weeks to prepare for it. I didn't go well. Minority Miss it as four three points jared Goff dreadful in the postseason drag you now fifty I five percent one touchdown to interceptions average temple of Salmon which is really really mad relative to his regular season numbers when he plays good defenses than they have time to prepare. I mean it's just does not go well and that goes down onto. If you'RE GONNA win based off of simplicity you need to still be able to respond. I don't know I love the simplistic nature of it and it's valuable in it's good and it's what allows them to really successful with a guy that we don't Love Jerry Dafa quarterback quarterback but it can't just be that you have there has to be a change right. There has to be a to you only have the one hundred now speaking of golf and I'm glad that you have the exact same concerns mcvay for this pretty much the same reasons that I have independent of each other we can those conclusions solutions which is which is nice to see. I'm it's always nice to be confirmed by Ben Because he's much smarter at me when it comes to these things but you know you mentioned Goth so let's talk about gop so I was watching him recently and I think you know my issue with him that the term firm like one read quarterback I feel is typically bad at. I don't think goth is a one read quarterback and I wanna make that clear because sometimes that gets confused when you say that a quarterback struggles when things aren't clear right away I think he's perfectly capable and comfortable moving moving to his second read in the progression that's not where things fall apart as they do for quarterback like Derek Carr or quarterback like case keenum. It's even a big flow for Daniel Jones in college when those quarterbacks have to come off the I read things really become muddied for them. That's not the case for golf which is complement. It really is but I make that distinction because I want to make it clear that when things breakdown for golf it doesn't matter where he is in the progression if he is moved off the spot even slightly or he feels pressure especially to his ball hand side side where he sees it and has to process it. That's where things get. A little hazy at a little jumbled for me doesn't really navigate the pocket well. He's a bit skittish. I think it impacts is accuracy and the under pressure analytics weren't great for him last year his Q._B.. Rating is actually actually bracketed by two guys already mentioned car and keenum and is adjusted completion percentage under pressure is bracketed by Josh Rosen a rookie and Eli manning a bad quarterback as never quote quarterback rating on this podcast every by N._C._A._A.. Me Don't worry I'm actually I'm going to deal with that. Don't worry but but both metrics solidly and the bottom half of the league. I wish I had like a white as staffer under pressure but look there's two components to this and there's a couple of no does to address the first one being goff is much better with acclaimed pocket. Well no dot right. There isn't a quarterback in the world that isn't we can all survive in a mansion with plenty of food right. That's not hard but goth has shown a particularly high level of play that is attainable when he's kept clean more so than other quarterbacks conversely quarterback. We're back struggle under pressure again. No they all do everybody would struggle to survive if you drop them off in the Amazon miles away from civilization summer just better equipped to deal with it. Goff is not and we can have a whole conversation about if quarterback performances are sticky into pressure. Were not sticky. I don't care this is where it is for me. The film matches the analytics Specifically Watch Games where I thought he showed his peaks and valleys and I thought the stretch of play from week nine to eleven culminating in that shootout with the chiefs which is Super Fun was a great example of his ceiling. You Watch a week for against Minnesota. I didn't go that far back. Now was while this listen he had an adjusted net yards per attempt of like seventeen point one when he was with them elaborate right the night he was twenty cents for thirty three for four hundred fifty five yards four hundred dollars or something Minnesota was like hey you like throwing the field. What if we ran Kuka cover to golfing okay the it was unbelievable in terms of how Mike Zimmer who is like apparently defensive mastermind just like sits into high? I don't know how they keep hitting this dagger. Condescending sweetie the middle fields exactly knowing that to me that game 'cause you you bring up this week thirteen. Whenever it is point Goff they started three or four games at home? They had that incredible game against the Vikings. Were cautious. Ashley Shreds was that by the way it was around the same time that Josh Allen torched the Vikings. was that like right around that same time I think it was I think he didn't meet three or maybe we find bound around that time so cut but then the next five games aw four on the road the Seattle Denver San Francisco Green Bay New Orleans and San Francisco Green Bay these did not with great defenses but the Seattle game the Denver game and even that Green Bay game were gough three touchdowns we took five sacks. He had complete percentage under fifty five percent major teams that were willing to put one safe in the middle of the field and sent pressure Goff struggled even during that stretch then you've you let Ben Orleans game was good. I agree that on game to Sabaneta four out of five they lost in worms game those four those five games for them on the road like the rams replay they played Seattle Taibbi played Denver type A plate Green Bay ty Lawson Orleans so that's four games than a possession ago three to one of them and often not have fantastic performances so to me like Goff started the first part of the season hot and then even like at the halfway poll there were cracks in the armor where like meet Green Bay had Green Bay five sacks on Denver not five sacks on Vegas Bay they rushed Guys Adam and they said hey make place and then the real low point from there you go from pretty doggone good to about average too bad weeks thirteen through fifteen being the low point and I have a hard time believing that it was just a product that better defenses like in the bears game he had poor performances against the lions and the Eagles to replaying weirdly guys out of position in the defensive backfield after that he finally got his playing a couple tomato cans before the playoffs but between those two stretches goff was pressured at a ten percent higher rate in that valley that I mentioned from weeks thirteen thirteen fifteen in key Q._B.. Rating like you mentioned is not a perfect stat but a quarterback rating of eighteen in those three games win pressured is low enough to worry about if the metric is perfect or not and look you might say really dialing in on this one bad stretch but not really because when that rating under pressure only jumps it's twenty seven point eight in the playoffs ranking twelfth out of twelve. It's hard for me to see that stat and watch him wilt with a defender in his vicinity to see again and again those moments where his brain seizes up when he has to move up the spot like that interception the Super Bowl where he was waleed to throw it's hard for me to see in witness that it's hard for me to see the eagles break him in two thousand in seventeen by just mounting up the pressures and the hits and say that it's not a problem that it's just going to go away because of some sort of natural regression to the mean. What I'm saying is jared Goff is soft soft? That's a problem A.. W. S. A. W. Soft case off Ben. Do would you agree with that. You just assaulted pocket passer. I have no problem with buying a passer. I really don't you're talking to a guy who's been a Matt Ryan then stand for Awhile along time talking to a guy really like Josh Rosen coming out leave. You can be effective in deadly from the pocket a mayor now. There's a big hobby out with that right and it's if you're going to be a pocket passer who doesn't extend plays better be able thorough wide receivers open against man coverage better able to throw players open effectively against men coverage Dr. Here's the thing he's great. I think he's really really good and I said the word great. I probably stick by that because I think it's suspect rank is great at the top of his drop anticipating windows into zones in the middle of the field intermediate areas. I think that's his biggest right. I was going to go with that. I think he's a highly effective were back again. Zone coverages WHO and this circle back to appoint gets a lot of those because of how many bunch and stacks sets that he's getting McVeigh Title Lyman Splash and sacks ads. You know what they're checking tail especially. When you use a lot of fly motion? Let me check. Oh Yeah mcvay uses a lot of that as well listen. He's really good and this is this is the brunt of the issue McVeigh's really good at forcing defenses into checks and when you four Stevens into checks you get reads. It was so wild to me when I saw the lions play bunch just. Just straight up man no switching and that's the reason for that. We don't want you to dictate us. We'll do some crazy stuff to throw you off and it through them off. God had a bad game gaslines. No one cared because they won by two scores running game took over the lions were bad. Nobody really noticed that week but yeah you switch it up on them and they have issues anything else on Goff before we start to kind of switch the offensive line in the in the playmakers around so go for throwing against <hes> and the Ramsey river the John Enforces so characteristic of you ask them every N._F._l.. quarterback what you want zone her mammogram safe zone throwing zone with N._F._l.. Talent with N._F._l.. Receivers N._F._l.. Frame Agus fine can you throw opening man coverage and with Jared Goff I I would say yes for like eleven games of the season and then like findings of the season which were against good defenses good pass rushes no for four course like not let national all went under pressure no like he struggled all game and and that's the soft whenever he skittish a little little tough to himself out lows get mired in that internal clock sore ends and it gets twitchy a feels that and his drop start pulling out a sequence. You're going to be a good guy from against Zona throwing concepts. You need to have good sense of time. Good work with your feet so on and so forth and that's I don't know I don't I I do not want to say I'm distinctly certainly trying not to say he's he struggled to throwing has been coverage because he doesn't but there are just some gains or if you ramble him enough he doesn't recover like he doesn't get back on track and that matters because if you cultivate cultivate a reputation in the League for being rattled a bowl every lake and this this goes back to the prevailing minds every offensive coordinators you're talking about like the lions plane man coverage over the bunches right like eventually even cornet. Are you just choose what you want to beat you right like it's not gonNA stop everything. That's kind of a possible so you just choose how you're GONNA lose like. They're going to be this. They're going to do it this way and like the lies civic listen like if you're going to beat us it's going to be because we're gonNA play man coverage. You'RE GONNA sometimes beat us off of these bunch tax nearing again. Leveraging run take routes and it's GonNa work and then we're gonNA have golf <unk>. Throw your guys opening. Its coverage defenders. That's how we'RE GONNA lose. beat us that way. That's laid a lot of teams are GONNA choose to lose to the rams. I would not want to choose to lose the rams. I plan cover three and leading gossips office hidden. You know just hit seems middle of field stuff had deep crossing around summits overthrow game and I think that you saw Philadelphia when they played them. We know this they went to a lot more of their trap coverages and they went to allow more coverages and we were all scared about this because a Monte Madison's out there playing corner owner Anna workflow on so if you develop that reputation which I think goff already is kind of on his way they're being rattled a bowl and then not being able to make those you know to borrow P._F.. As big time throws teams is GonNa come at take US listen. You're the rams like that's the formula for meeting. You and that's the only way we can do it. I don't care like maybe I'll give up forty. Maybe this'll be a game where you get me but this strategy here we go you know did you see the athletic article on the Q._B.. Rankings and they're talking to different executives coordinators throughout the League and they came up with this tiered system this ranking system they mentioned jared Goff in it and golf ended up in the tier two and he was ranked as the tied for twelve quarterback among minds around the league that the athletic polled and one of the things that you mentioned your is in one of these quotes this court this head coach says against ninety percent of the teams in the League is probably a two-tier or a one tier but but against tougher teams where he has to rely on his ability to read. He's not quite dare yet tight. Man Coverage is top. The blitz game can be tough but he does a lot of as well so I think the same concerns that we have is things that coaches around the league or seeing Goth as well and look if we're going a little bit long on offense and if you haven't been able to tell from the title this episode I'm not sure qualified it up front because we're only dealing with the rams offense is going to be a special to partner for the Rams so when we come back from the break we're GonNa continue to talk about offense in part to. We're going to talk about defense but we I need to get to some of these skill players and offense a lyman for the rams entering the two thousand nineteen season. That's up next on the kiss and solex show here on bleeding green nation baseball truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every every week along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Strunk as we discussed all the ways the phillies have hurt us on our podcast hidden season as well as historical anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribe to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at us and we are back on the kissed end solex show episode one zero six people if I forget bleeding green nation and S._p.. Nation Michael Kissed here with Benjamin so we're talking I on the enemy for the rams offense part one of this preview for the rams headed into two thousand and nineteen. Do we want to talk skill players. Don't talk off of line. I how you feel right now. What are you feeling this team to start on the line and it might lose another two next offseason? Let's talk about this offensive line for the most part did well to protect Gar. There's a problem there you wrote about it in your B._G._N.. Piece talking about the turnover over there so I talked enough on this feed go for the floors rose. My friend Andrew Wheel refund the left brother Robinson on the right. We are cooking with Greece. That's Great John Sullivan career resurgence at center left guard Rogers Sappho baffled and play well for the rams last year Austin bluffs steps in the right guard spot versus starting for them Jamaa Brown suspended so he has to step in and he keeps the job all year and they are great near killing it on zone concepts and and you know again I think if you ask offense lineman what would you rather run. They beg outside zone literally all the time and probably outside probably inside zone but you know the the rams did one thing they did it stupid well. I was highly effective for them. It mcvay did a good job member running into loader boxes girly regularly we saw boxes and then they incorporated motion from their slot receivers and enough constraint plays off of them motion in screens in little jet sweep zone and so forth such that teams out of respect the motion and all of a sudden you know the running is highly effective off. The line is doing great great. The generally like you said a good job protecting off okay Roger Chaffee was gone Tennessee free agency John Sullivan retired now it's Brian Allen Fourth Round pick from last from two thousand eighteen out of Michigan State stepping into center and then Joseph Note Boom <hes> third round tackle Aca T._C._U.. Now probably being left guard now. They've got to figure that out. You know they had like a couple of other guys could potentially step into the spots but they're very likely to be starting to second year players on this offense. A Line Andrew Whitworth WHO's turned thirty eight in December. <unk> isn't a contractor and then awesome blyth. The Right Guard is also the contract year retaining Whitworth not easy. You know it's tough to land on contract figure for attack who's good but also very old bombs. Maybe they pull that off. Shuttle JAS appears Blyth who may be a guy they want to return. He has a second year of good starting play. Maybe they resigned him. Maybe they don't it's worth noting that jared Goff's worth nine million this year. He's worth twenty two million in twenty twenty money when you're often kicks in so they're gonNA have less contract through may just in general and they have a ton of expiring contracts. 'cause the rams are just built on this like you know cycle windows old free aging is yeah like it's really and this is like when we predict rams regression the main thing were predicting he's like hey what if all of these old free agents don't play well you know but according to like so there's going to be youth on this line and then there's potential for even more used to come in next year which we wanNA focus on twenty nineteen Brian Joe's Camila round picks line if you develop them well on the rams online credit for how they develop their office of Lyon last year. I can't recall the name of the coach. I'm looked it up camera honed his name is but they're off line coach no credit that's great. We're GONNA see but they had significant change to starter spots. They have super old left tackle and they have a regard is his both is going into a second year starting on and he was even supposed to be <unk> three kind of with one the job we'll see if that's been able to hold onto long-term so there's uncertainty uncertainty here on a line that was glit- was really highly affected in a really nice running system as a pass like in line was solid I now there's been changed and say this off. His lines not locked in by any means. Let's crack some more eggs of knowledge. Let's go sunnyside decided on this about what mcvay does to help the offensive line despite some of these concerns so one of the things I was I charted every drop back of goths against the Eagles from week thirteen which I did only because that was the most attempts for him all year so I gave it you know the biggest single game sample size that I can have what I notice that was out of the five or six quarterbacks that I charted for this experiment. Nobody moved the pocket and change launch points more than McVeigh did for Goff and that's exactly what I was charging. I was charging harding launch points just like Jim Schwartz does when structures rush plan where in relation to the spot where the ball is snap does goth throw the ball and how many hitches our movements does it take to get to that point notably for these mood pockets you can see on the visual I had this up on my on my timeline where goth rose within what hitch and that's really all over the place and right around the time I did this. There was a great discussion between the Fellas at pro football focus and Chris long on twitter so Chris Long saw Dan Orlovsky say that the rams had the best offensive line and football last year long kicked back on that followed by P._F.. Chiming in saying that yeah they did great well really well and run blocking and they were heavily aided in that area in a number of waves props mcvay for that and impasse blocking walking if you remove play action passes and moving pocket so we're talking straight drops the rams lion graded in the middle of the pack in both grade and pressure surrendered so it was a very good offensive line absolutely aided by scheme absolutely absolutely just like golfing away but there's also the matter of turnover that we just mentioned that you could see some more severe regression than than you know that's expected but I do expect McVeigh to still add protection move the pocket and protect Goff for the most part and doggone it. He has to for all the reasons that we laid out define move the pocket so when I'm looking at his launch points the launch points move anywhere from within the TACO box right he can move a couple steps like a quick play action type deal like seven yards to his right now. He's over the guard mixing you know he's over the left guard mixing. No He's had a he's at a quick drop. He's had a five-step drop then he's rolling out like there's so many different launch points for and that's moving the pocket for me one way or how it right I would argue that that God mcvay and the way that they were in the office expands our widens the pocket about moving the pocket I think about literally moving the launch point just to a different spun tire. That's fair Nick Parsons Vernacular here but it's an important visual for the listener winding the pocket in the sense that listen when I fake Wytheville and I slid zone action and I have a fly motion motion guy coming opposite direction so they're they're. They're agile no weakside jump out to to cover the fly sweet guy in the rest of the the boxers that even the boxes flowing in stronger action because that's the winds zone flow is going all of a sudden. It's just the dropback pass the edge rushers or so far out there so far toward the sideline they are spread out the pocket is wider such that if a pressure occurs there's so much more space to adjust within the bucket which Goff is not an escape guy he isn't have. Escape explosives escape quickness. I think it's something you saw against the bears is the bears that really well is that the bears have forced acts on God's memory serves generally they <unk> living wives him. They did refused to widened when when when horizontal stretches came via that pre-snap jet motion via that wide on play action. Is this great if you're going to be this beautiful this right goes back to the lines. We're going to be E._S._p._N.'s with this. We're not GonNa let you take Khalil. Mack Leonard Floyd a key heck's Eddie Goldman and pull them to the sidelines and that's not what I wanted to go. I wanted to go at God so that they're going to go. If you get the ball to the sideline that's great the boss three online land scrimmage and I'd go tackling safeties. Let's play we go ballgame you know but we're not gonNA take my best player in Khalil Mack and put him somewhere. He's not GonNa Complain. He's perfect Sixteen Chase Indus- Reynolds sixteen deal with it all right. This house is going to go the dictating choosing higher than when I go lose so the bears really were the best example this in terms of refusing to be widened and that classes the pocket and then one guy gets pressure Akiem Hicks Guess Pressure Goff doesn't have good as capability. He doesn't have good athleticism to get out of their. We've wisdom and again. That's fine like the very successful quarterbacks who have the same degree of his capability is gone bug often used to much wider pocket suddenly had much less face to adjust and that one pressure had so much mormon impact right and so that's why I think when we talk about Goff into the pocket management do not think is a great ability of his wide in the pocket all of a sudden a decent pocket magic great bog manager. He's got a lot more space to work with collapse that pocket I e the Chicago bears and you really expose that weakness for him. Yeah and I liked that distinction between changing the launch point versus rolling the pocket where the launch point changes as well so that's a good point Ben. Let's talk about some skill players man Robert Woods super super underrated to me and in what I don't take take every year I go through some pro scouting evaluations sharpen sharpen the tools and whatnot and kind of refresh myself and check my draft raids versus what a player is a couple years down the line so and so forth one of those players with Juju Smith Schuster. One of those players was Robert Woods. Robert Woods is a better player than Juju Smith Schuster right now. I know a lot of projection involved with the age which everybody loves of Doodoo Smith Schuster but Robert Woods does everything <music> Juju does and he does it better. That's why I don't understand the Cooper Cup argument because rubber woods working over the middle of the middle of the field is frigging excellent great hands fantastic hands great zone somewhere around runner. He's yeah exactly. He's very clean very efficient awesome wide receiver so again. I don't get the Cup argument. I wanted to put out there. Robert Woods super underrated guy. You're also dealing with Brandin cooks which kind of key it has to keep your honest as the defense so there is some pieces there forgot and getting cutback is going to be great for this offense. I still don't know how they didn't figure it out without him but maybe they should have signed coal beasley as a backup. I don't I don't know man. I don't know if it's if it's that serious <hes> Ben you also have the running backs to deal with Todd Gurley and his arthritic knee and if we're talking fantasy man like Terrell Henderson from Memphis the guy that we hyped up a bunch in the pre job process because the eagles were looking at running backs <hes> I think he could be a League winner for your fantasy team because he does is everything that girly does as far as what they wanNA do schematically like when Gurley was out C.. J. Anderson had to come in like I talked about that eliminated a lot of the white zone stuff it eliminated the screen game off of it Durell Henderson when is a direct response to that if girly is not going to be full go if girly is not going to be a workhorse and mcvay can't adapt the offense around that and still be affected which is a C.. J. Anderson was effective. Let's look at the whole of the offense I think Durell L. Henderson is that guy and could have a big season as a rookie depending on the health early and have a big future with the rams as well before they decided not to sign him to a second contract with girly and disrupt somebody else you remember when we were previewing the Super Bowl and we you were just like there's no way girlies healthy right right listen. He's healthy. Practicing has played a few weeks. All the analytical nerds were like early is healthy had a great game against the cowboys like no girly was never healthy towards the end of that season at all aw man painkillers is a exactly that end to season medical push baby. It's something and you hate to see it grows fantastic talent and and and I really worry that when you know like this is a total off hesitate tape but when the Rams caught him in twenty twenty one they were going to look back on his contract so poorly the F you know obviously runningback value being the flash that it is forgetting just how tremendously talented he was because you can't watch him and and not be struck by by the talent in situations in which requires it he much like off does get the benefit of like. I'm really nice. <hes> scheme situation helps not a lot but when it went his talent is required. It's tremendous I have zero zero concerns over this running back room and just running back production and they the running game for the dams because I mean early Henderson Malcolm Brown <unk> Lancaster. I like people forget. It's not like the the panthers cut C.. J. Anderson and the rams grabbed him and made him affective near the Pan Discuss these Anderson the raiders signed him. They come after four days and then he didn't do anything for a month and then the rams were having bad health with with girly and with somebody else Zac Brown amount rubber was Malcolm Brown yeah not a they pulled Anderson who like nobody had wanted for a month and made him ineffective runner yeah there's a glut of runningback talent and the Rams GonNa bring him in and what's curious is is that there was some adjustment when Anderson ever swing Irwin. That's what I'm saying well personnel. They ran a lot more power concepts and Lila zone concepts. The thing is is that that disrupted the company Goffin's as a whole until it wasn't something that was very impressed that's next to Rehab degree proud nearly of the whole because he was pregnant on that zone flow so Ni- Henderson and now you have your hedge bet for girlies health but you know they'll the scheme consistent so that's the way under represents to make fantasy wise idea. I ninety healthy girl is and how many touches so get has a warrant them any touches. I think it's a great scheme to Henderson. I think every time she gets will be highly effective for the rams but if he's healthy he's better player so now. I don't know how fantasy works the rams run running offense. I don't think we problem unless note women Brian Allen or both absolutely awful right. I I would agree with that. Let let's end this on a on a prediction. What would you say is a fair over under for? Let's go points per or game for the offense nineteen three guessing numbers. We'll see what happens yeah. We're going to predict the record after part too but I want to do something for the offense. Do what do you think top top eight. Is that a fair over under top five with how they produce reducing past. What do you think is a fair number there in terms of where they rank in what points points per game over the life of the season cavs at Five Min? This is still an objectively just very dangerous offense. Yeah it's shaves saints. Eagles Brown's majors to group. I mean you could lane outside of that top. Five not be a bad offense as that's not what I'm saying here but I think five is a good line right so those does the names that we just ripped off our heads probably missing either I would say the most likely to be in the top six stops and then expect rams to top pot and you know it's worth noting in a little preamble makes you listen to the next podcast with the defense there toting out the good adding unease day and he supports brother Loyd Loyd span for a real. You can't just have one player on your defense and it's Aaron Donald. He's special but you know you're gonNA need a little bit more than that. Teams might start double-teaming Aaron Donald this year Brealey Andy. Did you see that tweet. Oh my God saying ain't Wade Phillips didn't do enough to free up Aaron Donald like he's is Erin. Teams are going to double him no matter what you do they're looking for him. You could see the impact on film and he gets singled up. He's he's reckon Baldo Ben. That's going to do it for this. I on the enemy enemy rams offensive series are also of already kind of mentioned what we got coming up next on B._G._N.. Radio but of course training camp has open look forward to some at the podium press conferences. I'll be talking training camp with Bill G. Who's got boots on the ground covering it live for us here at Eugene Ben? Would you say goodbye. Oh yeah also talking about Brian Westbrook Ben. Would you pick up that name. 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Fantasy Mock Draft

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Fantasy Mock Draft

"Welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking Heads Fantasy football jess show here a your hosts jeff carrier. It's law everyone welcome in to the N._F._l.. Talking heads podcast back at it again for my second time this week but the boys back in for the third time this week four fourth while counts hard math artists wealth but burlingame night oil I guess but anyways that was mulling over some potential opening question today but given the fact that Jeff and seth were about to tear each other's heads off in the pre show over third round reversals. WE'RE GONNA learn opened up today talking about how you feel about third round reversal drafts and I'll <hes> I'll start with you jess yes so the context is we're going to do a mock draft here. Twelve man now is just moaning and groaning and complaining like I love to do do about there's no third round reversal march graphs anywhere I might as well have to create a new platform just so I can do tests mark grass with third round reversals and the purpose of the third round reversal is so that we can give equal balance of the people at the end of the draft Rasa when you're selecting eleven twelve and obviously you have the turn in the second round will instead of the turn happening to the player I overall pick saquon Barkley so instead of him getting say someone like Don Williams Dalvin Cook at the end of the second round and then turning over in getting keen Allen or Zachert or whoever it flips back to the twelfth overall pick to start the third round and that balances off the the level of players that are being distributed by the teams. I I think that's completely fear. I think everyone should be doing that not only that you pick twelve and thirteen twelve overall then you all have to wait all the way until number thirty six we're number. One overall gets obviously number. One Twenty four twenty five. I think completely fair seth is clearly doesn't know how to do math or valuations because he is disagreement in the pre game. Show I mean if you have if you have the for the for the for the first overall picking saquon there is an advantage no matter what because they have saquon sake one is just head and shoulders above everybody else but if you have picked two three four your added you're at a if you do the third round reversal. It's more tipped in their favor or it's the the opposite. It's not into arguments well. Here's the thing if you pick for second or third. You have to wait forever until you can make your second selection if you have picks eleven or twelve twelve team league. Let's say you have picked twelve. You can go oh Odell Beckham tyree killer Odell Beckham Schuster James Connor Schuster. You can take two studs back to back so I think it's kind of balanced anyways i. I don't think it is at all because because you're not taking Schuster at one overall or two or three or four or five or six I mean that's a whole point of why Schuster's going twelve overall or Michael Thomas or Devante Davante Adams even going before that so you give the person would saquon Barkley a chance to also get the most elite tight end they can with their third pick yeah I can Zakar. It's call it twenty five overall pretty common pick and not only that they can get elite wide receiver in say like Mike Evans at twenty fourth so they get saquon. They got a stud elite running back wide receiver anti start the board. You can't get that at the twelve overall pick without third round reversal. I don't feel strongly one where the fact that you're so obsessed with their own versatile and it's like you're so passionate about it just makes me like it less yeah. Can I can fully agree with that for me. My two senses that I'm of the avid believer that you know you expand the N._c._A._A.. Tournament to sixty teams and people still complain so whether you a third round reversal or whatever you do someone's GonNa Complain Side Haddish Open draft. That's my strategy and anyways just tell you take an stride. Most of us are worry about drafting team in Jeff's obsessed with the third round reversal. I mean I'm on the Progressive Person Okay. I'm always looking to enhance things make things better the fact it no one cares like at all like no one is even aware or oblivious to this. That's that's maybe the bigger issue I have no one is even aware that this is an option to them. They just go on the goddess. Take the overall no man you deserve better rights. I'm fighting for the man for the people yeah. You're a real man of the people all right. We got a macho about the start here in thirty seconds so set us up Ryan. What are we doing here so yeah? We're doing a twelve team. P. P. R. Mock draft which is where this whole fight started tonight <hes> so it'll be jeff myself and seth in here. <hes> looks like we got jeff in the five whole drafting seth thrown me off because he's got. I own Jefferson's team name so I thought I saw jeff twice. He's in the ten spot and he's so clever. I do own Jeff though I'm not trying to be controversial I guess we'll see tonight right but I took the top spot because because I actually prefer that that that one to turn in the back end and I don't need a third round reversal so I'm pretty happy where I am yeah well. You guys can say what you want. I still think that that is a fair fair league setting that everyone should implement in their leagues okay so I I guess I think we've probably killed the third round reversal topic here complete convenient to the grounds. I'm sure there's a couple people out there right now. Scrambling trying to figure out what they're brown versus are but you know jeff good analysis of any favors with my side of the argument the opening twenty seconds pick five overall draft starts in two minutes. Obviously I know the top four players that are going to be coming up draft in so at the at the five that whole which I think is a pretty difficult spot because in Seth Mentawai before we started seth is getting vic- with me on every comment that I have apparently why don't you think that's such a difficult spot to draft. Well like well. It's more difficult because in the probably the case that Ryan would make them why he sought after the twelve is that he you might see a lot of similarities with picking Jewish Doodoo. I absolutely love you get him at twelve overall. Is that much worse than say the Andrea Hopkins at five so that's what makes potentially the five pick a lot more difficult but since we don't have the third round reversal I went with the five spot a knowing I get the early third round pick and that's a long segue of me basically saying that I've been pretty consistent on saying that I'm looking towards David Johnson and the five spot because he's a running back. I believe it was going to do this season so I plan on drafting him in this mock draft and seeing how my team works out. This is actually really my first non best ball mock draft so I'm very curious to see how my team works out and I'm excited to get this going. So I think we should do is after so after somebody makes pick the next person recaps. Perhaps all the picks leading up to their pick so in other words Jeff You pick and fifth you you read off the picks. They're being made ahead of you in. Give your analysis on your pick and then I'm next on the clock all recap the picks from six to to where I'm picking at ten song a good idea. We'll try and stick to that plan and best weekend. I don't need a filibuster the whole draft your breakdown analysis. I'm sure everyone's just waiting waiting for okay so give me an idea since just starting in ten seconds we gotta wait for all these picks seth and then and then you Ryan because you're picking last who who is the likeliest person you would love to land at ten for Yussef Twelve Ryan <hes> I like David Johnson fallen me or Michael Thomas Yeah for me. I've had <hes> not to cheat ahead but even that twelve thirteen because all of those two picks back to back at this turn a lot this season I've been able to take Julio Jones and Juju back to back picks <hes>. I like going a little bit. I like going zero rb to start sell that's. I'm hoping that those two guys are the ones that follow me late in the first and early in the second year so you're so you're just fell to pick to save. One's got picked second so you're so you're not interesting taking tyreek Hill Ryan in twelve thirteen turn man history a curveball casino. I'm thinking <hes> I've done a couple of in this is before the tyreek Hill News so yeah. Actually I'm at the scratch that tyreek Hill is there is there then that's the guy I'm taking the bottom. The Wave Kamara false you jeff here at five so the first three and a half the board Christian McCaffrey Three Barclays Zeke if Kamara false five this is exactly why I don't I don't mind the fifth pick is something crazy could happen. You could end up with what would make you think Kamara is falling just because he's a last running back available at the top four. I mean do things have happened. No I have seen crazy stuff happen. which is you know? It's not a bad point like I've seen very crazy things happen. We were GONNA draft last year where I think the consensus <music> six overall was like the Andre Hopkins and someone took seth in our real men's league. I completely forget took someone else and I was sitting at seven petrified Hopkins would go and I'd be second bad spot and then they took doc someone over the Andre Hopkins. I forget who the player would have been but crazy stuff does happen. This person apparently is taking forever really difficult situation. You know pick four overall. He's probably never done a march madness. Life didn't realize Agassi legacy is I is that like Andre Agassi tennis play like maybe this is the first crack N._F._l.. Stuff oh man and this is. This is the only downside I do mock draft. Is You get entered in league with you know Tim Morrow so here's an interesting thing. I think we talked about this. When we talk about the best ball drapped? which was that your platform that you draft on especially early in the draft could have a significant difference could play a major impact in terms of the players that go David Johnson is ranked eleventh on the board here so bell would be technically next and that's terrible so who you pick it here? What do you think in your your fifth now? We're running backs rough. I went ahead and did as I as I mentioned that went ahead angr drafted David Johnson. I thought he'd be him or De'andre Hopkins and when David Johnson consistent if nothing else on on D._J.. There Yep yeah I mean you know Melvin. Gordon obviously is should be dropping. I don't know if because his rank is still still high on E._S._p._N.. Here he's going to go higher than he should. Melvin Gordon at this point is the second round player just because of the uncertainty Julio Bell back to back as really high for Julio Very questionable pick this is this is by far the weirdest draft board. I've seen so far no idea what's GonNa Happen at twelve year so seth I mean go ahead and walk us through your up next. John Hopkins is still on the board and knowing my lock. He's clearly going to go this pick. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa try and pull no try to pull the reverse JANK's in there. He goes nine <hes> so I'm Standing Melman Gordon obviously a you can't take him when they're still Melvin when the sole Michael Thomas on the board and I'm not gonNA overthinking. I'm just GONNA take my boy Michael Thomas here yet Micheal Thomas over tyreek Hill that I am yeah. Is there anybody. But he also considered there or is it Michael Thomas. You said you're not gonNA over think it. What would you over thought it I mean I I like I do like Schuster? I do like higher killing Kelsey <hes> but I I'm just GonNa go with Michael Thomas. I'M NOT GONNA I'm just GonNa take the sure thing with Potanin Michael Thomas going to be a stud <hes> no off the field issues none of that other stuff going on my you know I'm GonNa go with Michael Thomas. I think he's he's he's going be a stud and I am going to you know pretty happy with that. So Ryan you took tyreek Hill and Juju Schuster all right. I think I've got an influence on on Ryan here and I'm sure that he's made his own decision but this is the exact spot that I would love to both of these wide receivers and I think you could end up with wide receiver one and two at twelve pick which is just crazy yeah all right and this is a position that this this is an unfortunate position to be in because right now the best to running backs on the board or Melvin Gordon who I'm still not taking here and James Connor. I I like James Connor. I don't love him as Odell Beckham Antonio Brown keen on and I'm GonNa do some absolutely crazy right here and I've never been able to get all the mocks redone all the best ball drafts have never been able to get Mike Evans because I just haven't been picking in the right spa goes before me. I'm GONNA maybe overdraft him a little bit but I love Mike Evans this year. Yeah you see I've seen him a lot. <hes> in any format kind of that tooth return so where you're picking again. You probably weren't going to see him there and for my two cents I I've railed against <hes> Gordon just to talk about the the back like you where there are not Gordon <hes> Todd Gurley <hes>. I was actually GONNA take once. Julio got overdrafted in my opinion. I was GONNA take early there that switch with tyreek once he was off the board. It was pretty easy for me to go hill and Schuster believe if you're going to be the next one up Rachel up on the clock now I'm on the clock now and the the run of James Connor Win O._D._B._C. went normally at the fifth spot. You have Mike Evans sitting here as a pretty attractive pick if you like him <hes> depending on how you feel about Antonio Brown I was doing the numbers on Tonio Brown and they could be kind of ridiculous. I haven't drafted him a lot. I think in the spot. I'm going to go ahead and take him. I really like Amari Cooper for two obviously Joe Mixing like a lot I've got D._J.. I I would not let D._J.. Influence my pick on Joe Mixing for example like I would have taken James Connor in the situation because I'm I'm just going for the best upside and elite player that I can get and it just because I draft to running backs in Rhode. I would not scared off at that at all. I want to go ahead and take Antonio Brown. He is going to see you could argue at least twenty five percent of the target shares out in Oakland this year. I'm GonNa pull up numbers on what that kind of looks like twenty five percents. I think he could get even higher. It would be reasonable Oakland. Tina has a horrendous defense. They're going to be passing at least five hundred fifty times if they have a better offense in general the probably say on the field more score more and pass more with twenty five percent target's share higher. Antonio Brown is looking at one hundred forty targets this upcoming season. It's hard to ignore that I realized by looking at the numbers especially this late in the draft in terms of being late second round or so. I like him I agree. I like more than most people in for all the reasons why for you know by people don't like him going to Oakland <hes> that's already baked into the cake you you're not gonNA get Antonio Brown in the middle of the second round if he's still Pittsburgh so you're getting him a full round more than a full round later so I still think that's really good value for somebody who's probably still has at least one more dominant and just a quickly get in here because my forty seconds left back second clock back in the third round so I love the Earth early third. This is why I love the early third. Usually I'll be targeting Marlin MAC here but Nick Chubb just fell all the way to me and the third round in twelve man draft. I mean this has got to be the easiest pick on earth. Maybe on the history of the universe thick then I just made it so this is this is perfect for me because well we'll see I got impediment picks up a few picks you have. I am targeting Marlin Mac or carry on <hes> do the agreement is when thank you and no interest in him. It's hard to get Marla Mac. You need to have that early third rounder Yep <hes> and I'm going to consider or Josh Jacobs here to Josh Jacobs carry on and then also you know this particular form Ab is too. It's too wide receiver one flex so I was GONNA say A._J.. Green is somebody else had seriously consider <hes> but right here you know Joe. What are you guys thinking? I'm GonNa Make My picking like twenty seconds. What do you think what would you guys do Josh Jacobs or carry on a really interesting dilemma A._J.? Ugo A._J.. Green I would good. I'M GONNA go running back here and I think I'm GONNA lean towards. I am going to lean towards Josh Jacobs for the the sheer fact that I think he has a little more upside than carry on. Perhaps a lot more upside. Did you go oh with running back because you already went back wide receiver. No I just think A._J.. Green doesn't quite have the upside anymore if this was A._J.. Green three years ago I probably lean A._J.. Green but Josh Shakeups is a clear rb one potentially and has a lot of upside anare have to I receiver so that I think that they're close to the same and I think the tiebreaker is. Positional need at this point brand cooks carry on. What are you thinking? What are you doing here so I just took cooks? I'm thinking that I there was about five running backs. I thought we're GONNA fall to me at this. Turn here that just this all went about in the last six or seven picks so carry on went Josh Jacobs one Aaron Jones went devante. Freeman went Marlin Mac Nick Chubb all in the Third Round Yeah so big runs affected me here I think I'm going to you weren't and just another reason. Why I'm GonNa Overdraft James Wait a little bit? You know probably mostly because <hes> the situation I put myself in there with those picks shook out very very questionable. Pick a call Ryan and a little bit there. It was a that was <hes> I feel bad bill. I'm just calling jeff out nonstop. I've got I've got to be an equal opportunity offenders. How can you call me out when I have predicted a y want the early third round right got Nick Chubb D._J.? If you want to you know in general not your your pick so far but it's in general. I just like all right so this is. I'M NOT GONNA take Derrick Henry here so a couple of players. I'm looking at receivers are still stefan digs and there are you know there's a cooper cop. Robert Woods Tandem Damian Williams here is interesting. Why is he this low this is this is got to be just E._S._p._N.? At even realized that I think I think I'm just going to have to take Damian Williams here. Even though is it kind of player they I never go into a draft saying I want to draft Jimmy Williams but why not in that offense he should get the lion share of the work and not to worry about Carl Carl's hide nipping at his heels. Yeah a lot of catches. Damian Williams would have gone earlier if this other platforms but if you're drafting on earlier is David Williams go a full round potentially up to a full round. You think you'd think you'd normally go ahead of James White pro. Hey I'm happy with my pick so I. I'm James what I do like James White. I'm not as high on on Damian Williams as other people. Are I just for for me. I I'd have to see him. Put it together for sixteen game stretch and say what you want about James White that offense last year in New England. I think there were ten in one when he had twelve or more touches would it's. It's something like that. It's a bit of obscure sat but like when he's a main part out of their offense that offense go so p._R.. Format I know it's a bit of a reach but considering again to six guys we just rifled off that went ahead in the third round there. I'm taking over <hes> Damian Williams in my personal opinion there. This is this is why do my traps. Though I mean Ryan twelve thirteen whole got the best possible outcome. I think that you could personally hope for but when a little bit untilt on the next turn so this is what you do mocks prepare for those third round runs I think those stir third round running back Rawnsley pretty consistent across the board which is what makes the dirt around a little bit challenging depending on where you're picking from now. We're in round four and around four on back on the clock. I feel this draft is just it's just coming to me. I mean they're going to be anything easier right now. Robert Wood sitting there again Tony Brown Robert Woods. I probably got two hundred fifty receptions mid two hundred receptions easy to sitting Adami starring wide receiver spot and then on the turn again. I've got we'll see I've got a few spots here but can't golladay still there Chris Godwin which is probably my top candidate to draft. I hope that he falls to me that I've already you got to running back studs and proud when I go back to the wide receiver well Yeah Sean Jeffrey who are team team Lee taking out on Jeffrey really bad pay care yeah. What do you believe you're the next one out of the three of us who or is it? Jeff is going back to you. Jeff lost by next. I'm on Chris. Godwin just went what a son of son son of a D. Bag Sammy Watkins which I found a little bit more on Sammy Watkins I've ever been in my entire life. I remember last here said remember walking and had a couple of games and we we felt bad but we had some people talking Heads Nation A. K. C. Fan who were just we convinced him to stop going after Sammy Watkins and because of injuries every year we've been more or less right this year. I like him a little bit more but his A._D._p.. Is still not reflected enough with the return of Tyreek Hill for the full season tyreek Sammy Watkins. We'll keep falling so right now. I'm clearly looking at Tyler Boyd Calvin Ridley Jarvis Landry. You know if I had a small roster like these E._S._p._N.. Rosters as I would definitely look at a tight end but I'm gonNA pretend his a much larger roster got pretending to start three wide receivers maybe to flex because those types of leagues I play in so I just want to project this out to a similarly that Ibn and draw the line with either Tyler Boorda Calvin Ridley. I want to go with the better offense and Calvin Ridley. Thanks that model Mount Monologue Drain ended down like ten seconds. I'm giving giving everyone a snapshot in my brain dues that way they can. I was actually hoping Khan really was falling me but the chance he wasn't happening anyways. Sammy Watkins Montgomery's off the board card find by me so I'm looking at t Aaron. Rodgers went okay. This is one of my favorite things to do is make fun of everybody's picks and these mock drafts <hes> okay so this this is not. I don't know envy my position right now. Tara Boy Jarvis Landry Great Analysis Seth nobody should N._B.. The position in right now break it down give people. An idea of what you're dealing with 'cause I'm clearly going for the best player available. If I do that as either Jarvis Landry tire boy or I would take a flyer on dairies geiss. Maybe over drafting him a little bit. <hes> you know what I'm GonNa go. I'M GONNA GO Jarvis Landry. I dislike the addition of Odell Beckham Per Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham Scibilia stretch that field drives land. You'RE GONNA have a lot of room to operate a must be really good. Offensive Baker Mayfield so Jarvis Landry is going to slide right into in my flex their perfect really liking how some of these people are still left later like we're in the fifth round and Terry Co and still there and I really liked that play. This is a lot of players in these mid- middle rounds that I think I like more so this year than previous years yeah and would that said Cohen just came off the board so I'm up. Obviously it's why I'm struggling to speak and and do the same thing at the same time here because I just see things at once set. So maybe maybe we should appreciate the fact that I can actually give rail analysis while I'm on the clock versus you to my analysis. I want to restart so <hes>. I you know getting a draft where you're now. Everything feels. It's slanted in the wrong direction that third round running back run has just got me going for an absolute here and and I thought either co-winner Montgomery was GonNa fall to me here at the end of the fifth round and of course they have not so now reach in here. I think it's a good analysis of me basically absolutely executing and killing this draft wouldn't going on tilt and seth over talking out of his ass me over talking talking I've liked having the fifth pick is good though because you're constantly in the action you like me and Ryan have to wait forever until we're on the clock again so I had overdraft half. Mike Evans a little bit. He overdrafted James White by three rounds which is fine but I mean like this position that we're in Jeff. You have the luxury of Sydney pick five. I'm going to take this player in you can set up your cue nicely where you know who's going to be there. I think it's kind of like when you watch Antonio Brown create separation and catch the ball and it just makes it look so easy I mean that's what you're just because I'm in his position. I make it look easy doesn't mean it actually is all around you took dearest guys pick. I liked areas guys this year and this is great valley for dearest guys thinking as my rb to here but that's where I met so and then and then I went D._J.. More with the pick after that I didn't say but I'm just adapting or adopting your philosophy that we're pretending this the three wide receiver league now that I have four my roster self took D._J.. More there because you guys moving the goalposts so I just I'm looking at my screen and I see Coleman Lamar Miller just throwing up in my mouth over here <hes> Robbie Anderson Editing Allen Robinson just see all right so this is interesting so three options here who hard when you have seth both do I go for the high upside player and potentially Mile Sanders. Do I go for the tight end I think O._J.. Howard is a pretty good? I think you can make strong cage taking O._J.. Howard here at this point six around and then there is sick and I'll give you the analysis on it in my Weenie more jeff now says on other people's takes two man? I know I'm GONNA go nuts. How many times Miami wrong about Mike Williams? How many years am I going to be on the Mike Williams bandwagon until I just crashed into a stop sign or something I'm GonNa go? Mike Williams though well on that pick I we ran Iran poll on twitter this morning asking about the number two wide receivers receivers versus their A._D._p.. In the A._F._C. West and I haven't checked in a little bit here because of the draft my phone but last saw Mike Williams was was the highest of those of those four guys so in general that looks like our twitter followers would agree with you who's WHO's Oakland and Denver's number two though so oakland just based on A._D._p.. On fantasy pros there number two right now is it's tyrel Williams and then Denver's was Emmanuel Sanders. <hes> Portland Sutton's is going number one off their board right now so I'm up in two picks have not really been fan or thought of drafting any of these middle round tight ends but it seems like now looking at my team. I've got my two running. Backs got three wide receivers and hold on nevermind I should have looked at what was drafted right in front of me. There's three picks into my tyranny and both Evan Ingram and O._J.. Howard just went so scratch that I was literally going to think about taking them right at the end of the six round if they were falling a bit? That's a good spot to grab him now. I'm GONNA move on. I'm knocking draft Hunter Henry Little worry about that staying away from Mile Sanders. I think that would love to love Mile Sanders but I think we know I think the signing Darren sproles tells us everything that we need to know about Philadelphia which is they don't care. who gets the ball in Philly? It's going to be a timeshare and we're still in six around and I can't trust that so a player that I've been kind of on this off season has been with some high upside is fuller obviously barring health issues. He you know outside of health. He could potentially be a wide receiver one. We're getting him at the end of the six round. I think as devalue for someone with his upside I agree we'll follow he was he was like my number one person person here open and fall. You're always hoping that people fall we'll do we. We have to wait like twenty picks into our next pick so yeah. We're always in the position. I'm hoping somebody falls wouldn't do that if it was a reversal draft yeah just kept them reversing to the top for you with easier yeah well. Hey we're not the ones complaining about our picks are Vicks spy. You're the one saying you know. The big fit this so hard saying is more difficult <hes> but obviously making look pretty easy right now Larry Fitzgerald so we got a couple of quarterbacks finally coming off the board at six point twelve Andrew Lock than Larry Fitzgerald Robbie Anderson Matt Ryan Mouse Senators comes off the board. Here's a player I am super not super but I am quite high on. Let me real real myself back in this is is probably as high as I would like to take them the office encourage Christian Kirk the obviously the offense we expect a dramatic improvement. They don't have that boring boring defensive coordinator anymore. I obviously don't know where the target percentage is going to be but he's at least has a leg up between all of the rookies that come in he might play from the slots lots of light from Christian Kirk caught over forty balls as a rookie has decent targeted cheer percentage on a low volume so Christian Kurkin seventh-round. If only the other people in this mock knew that you would claimed you're making that pick out at one twenty and then didn't pull the trigger on it till thirty seconds left at the time for analysis though gotta give the analysis. Here's here's the all that build up to take Christian Kirk Sesto might most most most anticlimactic pick ever all right so I am going to be so commanding about yours here and honestly nothing honestly this. Isn't I mean this is a really so I'm looking at two players. I think this this point the draft number one. I like to get a third running back. This is where you kind of start pivoting to position a little bit if all things are somewhat equal and and I think the two running backs have good upside are Durell Henderson and AAs neck ler given the injury concerns Todd Gurley in the hold out potential with Melvin Gordon. I like I like automatically here <hes> so he's who are probably lean towards and there's the pie the best receiver available is Marvin Jones at this point. I already have four wide receivers not really jumping at the opportunity to grab Marvin Jones here. I'M GONNA grab tight end. I mean a running back either draw Henderson or Austin heckler and and then I have some ideas my next pick. I don't want to give those away at in between there's only a podcast about fantasy football giving advice. You don't WanNa give that away to you. I don't I don't Wanna tip. I don't want to hit my hands so Ryan can steal my guy. You were Ryan my seal your guy from around ten. If that's what we worried about panicking draft James Wait in the fourth round one time. It's definitely grabbed the Harris right here Michelle billable no so in the U. bringing up here. How do you feel about Justin Jackson? I like him. I like him an actor cler. I like Eh cler. I mean Equa demonstrated when Melman Gore went out last year that he he was the guy who want to own. I do think there's a a scenario where Justin Jackson ends up kind of taking a lot of that stuff but I never going to be a work load and I think safer bet at this point is Austin cler given what he can do in the passing game so they're both worth getting attention to this person in the in the chat room. We're not even in August. We're doing a mock Catherine round seven and this guy's messaging people in the end democtrats. He's got that fire and his belly love that love that I should met. I asked my the thing like doing these march talking talking trash. Is some of these people okay. You know what this is a really hard decision. There's also Jordan Howard who's a pretty saw would be a pretty solid pick it as point. I'M GONNA go. I'M GONNA GO Austin Heckler. It's not sexy but I think it's pretty solid pick so I'm up now and I'm looking to grab some running backs here. I am not obey Henderson guy personally so I'm fill in the love and Rashard Penny in your oh you're too here. I've been big on Chris Carson last couple years. I think penny gets more of a workload this year. So I'm going penny there and I agree with Seth that the Jordan Howard value there is good so try to rectify running back a position a little bit. You're GonNa Grab Jones the next Pixie you can grab all the bus from last year's draft but so to carry the ball and tip and you guys you guys in your Bruce Arians fan club surprise surprise. He hasn't gone yet here. I know I do on a serious. I do like I do like Guy Slot. I do like Rashard Penny <unk> sharp penny believer all right man all right so who you taken. I'm GONNA I'm going to pivot and I'm GONNA go tight. Andrey here and I am going to scroll way down and I'm going to take you know what it's not. My fault that Iran has fallen pretty late and draft. I don't I don't WanNa Love Eric von Actually think his he's not GonNa get thirteen touchdowns again but at this point in the draft there's really no receiver that entices me. There's no starting caliber running back really available and I can grab Eric Hebron. He's getting double digit touchdowns with Andrew Walks. You're going to go down and steal the guy that I wanted. which is David Giokoo again? We're in round eight if this is a real draft getting David Giokoo after already having seven other players basically the rest of my team filled up. Up I'm going to be pretty a static of definitely taken a joke who over Eric Hebron so I'm going to take him. There's a couple other running backs that I am looking at right now as well and while picks go around. I'M GONNA go ahead and swap over. If you're on video. I'm GONNA show everyone who's watching on Youtube our draft teams right here. This is what my team looks like here. On the left David Johnson Nick Chubb Antonio Brown Robert Woods naming a joke who Calvin Ridley will fuller in Christian Kirk Gut the top running backs with debt that wide receiver obviously going to be looking at running backs on the way back. Seth Has Josh Jacobs. I'm Dee Williams is Damian Williams Michael Thomas Mike Evans Eric Hebron Jarvis Landry Mike Williams Austin Heckler and then Ryan has here James White Deer Geiss tyreek. Hill Juju Brain Cooks D._J.. More Sharp Penny and Jordan Howard all right so and I am hoping most name Heinz I was hoping would fall to me didn't happen. I took the joke who because I thought it was more important and let's go ahead here so I'm looking at running back because obviously violent Jones Jerick McKinnon was also considering latavius Murray's. Unfortunately they didn't get any of those two to come back to me which was expected now. I would say this is the first time I've done a pick where I'm like. I think I'd just rather pick a later tight end in have one of those running back to be completely honest. What are you guys have thoughts on that? Would you rather have a joke who in Ronald Jones or nineteen hines and trae Burton. I guess the swimming back I'd rather have Ronald Jones Dave and the joke I just don't. I'm not a huge team hines guy I know higher than normal people. Most people questioned tackling until last year but I think Mac is going to take the major workload there all right well. I went with Ronald Jones just because it touches don't exactly love it but we are around nine so you can't exactly hated either and I really love to go quarterback here but in one quarterback league it's still it's still too early. Take quarterback so I'm looking at the best player this point I got enough why receivers enough running backs and it could could use a running back with his slim pickings at this point <hes> so I'm GonNa make this. This might be overdraft as player a lot. I I like Emmanuel Sanders. We talk about our Ben Strategy Jeff all the time. Male Sanders fits that mold perfectly <hes> I ho- but I think what I'm going to do is I'm gonNA overdraft this player. That'll probably be there at my next pick. Should I risk it. See this is this is what happens when we have to wait so long to <hes> man. You know what I'm going to go back to. The Guy. I'm kind of liking is Sean Jackson. You're looking for someone that could basically is going to get points. You'RE GONNA get touch is going to be on the field is what it sounds like. I think Emmanuel Sanders is definitely a good deal right. Now I mean we cannot argue the fact that he did not start on the publis. I actually when I was just doing my projections. FINISHING OUT DENVER. I have him as wide receiver one for Denver that I take him and I'm hoping that my player falls to me because as a player at this point given my particular roster okay instruct shells who that is is I mean we're we're not all mine readers well. We told Ryan makes his picks. This is this is so important shelters and then give our analysis here storm thing Carl's hide here. I Have Amy Williams my roster. I'm taking crawls hide in that offense. I am going to make sure that I have that position locked down on that particular offense was that worth the hype the build up no no absolutely not so. I'm on the Carl side this year for this okay. We're GONNA clock around ten. I'd love to take a stud ish or above average really good quarterback Russell. We'll still their golf. Still there column Murray still there. Tom Brady still there. Mr Drzewiecki is still there for Russo there James Winston still there can't do it too many people. This is why you do to quarterback leagues so let's go back to the well. Damian Harris James Washington Shawn Hamilton looking at M._v._S._A.. Marquees Bell does gatling out in Green Bay. You know me I love second and third wide receivers to offenses. I mean forget the Robert Fosters the World Marquees Brown. Just give me the second and third person to a team that actually scores points. That's that's usually my philosophy even later in these drafts APPs O- on a go with M._v._S. in this case all right so that's our tenth row. Let's let's let's give some recap analysis here. We pick markey's Brown before he ended. They keep the street going. I'll start us off. I guess my only kind of tricky situation was picking Naven joke who over the other running back that I like a bit more especially when I have Nick Chub and D._J.. I really like the Naim Hines Latavius Murray who are going to be guaranteed touches even more so in that game hines with the passing but but let Latavius America easily get several opportunities near the goal line. Mark Ingram was always still use their good bit so that was my only spot that I was a little unsure about how to handle that everything else obviously thought when a little bit my way Tony Brown in the second round was a little bit trickier because I would've liked to have taken Mike Evans over him but set you took him but other than that happy with my draft got tremendous death got upside. Young players like we'll four Christian Kirk. Don't have a great third running back right now. It's Ronald Jones but injuries waivers not to worry about it because my top two yeah I think my my my toughest decision was when I took Josh Jacobs and the third round and I had A._J.. Green there and then I had carry on and I do like the carry-ons prospects this year. He had a really good rookie season before you got injured pretty balanced I just you can pencil him right in as a it probably a low end rb one high rb to so I went with the top decision but I think a lot of these players are pretty easy decisions who the first five or six rounds for me <hes> <hes> looking at mine I obviously I do cakes hill and Juju at the turn cooks at the back end of the third I mean we were talking about him. Debatable mid fourth round on our poll earlier this week so as as my third receiver on a on a three wide receiver team with flex because that's what I mean Jeff move the goalposts too. I love that I obviously just lost my mind on the white pick. Hey I hate it still but as I look at my running backs coming out of it with White Geiss Penny and Howard <hes> <hes> you know I need to those guys the catch on obviously so it's it's no guarantee but I don't hate that walking out of it <hes> I hate trae Burton as as my number one tight end but I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Paramount Chris Herndon for down the shuts just just for you Cecil. I'll be okay there. <hes> that fourth round I mean my overall strategy with zero R._V.. In the beginning as in these guys a lot of love that <hes> C._B._S. fantasy today show and they had done a recent one and I've seen a similar thing happened where people are able to get you know Freeman and Marlon back at the three or four turn that was like two weeks ago. That's clearly very different now. Those guys are not lasting that far and when that happened my whole plan blew up. I'm surprised you guys in each. Take Two quarterbacks and say almost GONNA call to quarterback back league very funny seth I think Marlin I think depending on the League obviously you're GonNa have a lot of different players kind of moving up and down. I think seth in our hometown league I could see someone like Devante Freeman definitely dropping like I. I think that he's the type of player that is kind of more polarizing in his value. MARLA MAC is just just keeps increasing in value in. He's tough to get outside. The early third round just seems like such a great value for someone who who is going to be getting most of the workload when it comes to the running back carry percentage goal line carries. He just has to stay healthy and could be easy talk twelve back yeah well. This is exactly why we do mark traps to get into these certain different positions as you keep doing them. You put yourself in even weirder positions like maybe you go and you draft Zakar Travis Kelsey just to see your team looks and then once you're done it Dan you can review it and say okay yeah. That's not a strategy that I want to deploy 'cause. I don't like the way that my team looks any final thoughts from you guys why does have one question for the both you because this is somebody and talk about at the time because some of us can't multitask but <hes> what I did at the one to turn that I ended up talking myself out of and then you mentioned later you of getting guys from the same offenses but I know there's there's a limit to any rule and with Kelsey tyreek hill sitting there at the one to turn there was a second that I almost was pulled the trigger on that. I ended up swapping in Juju over Kelsey. What would you guys feelings be in in that position? If those guys are available about taking both in from the same offense I mean I wouldn't be opposed to it because it from the same offense but I I like how you want to clear move there. I think Juju in in hill would be where I go but I'm not gonNA. I'm certainly not going to be scared off you know by for taking Kelsey because I have tyreek Hill my team. I think they approve last year. They can you now both be very very dominant in their own right even on the same offense so yeah pretty much in the same. It's has nothing to do with them. Be On the same offenses just more of us. I don't like the value of of of Kelsey they're never even when Gronk was always going around never understood it. Almost feel like Kelsey is definitely worth more this upcoming year than almost any year. That gronk was valued in the second round but it's more so on Kelsey value than anything else budgets just have reemphasized like I'm okay drafting all three rams receivers to be honest like I'm an auction league. I'm literally GonNa Target Altri because I think all of them have decent value so if I can get all three then I'm perfectly content with that. That's what it means either view or you've given your final thoughts semi final thoughts not wanting. This is a lot of Jeff mentioned the three rams receivers and there's a lot of wide receiver combos are wide receiver trios that you can stack and you can start at the same time like Chris Mike Evans you can roll them out every week. Tar Boy aged green. You can roll them on every week. Potentially Nikiel Harry and Join Edelman you have tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins and Kelsey because a lot of of those combos this year here where like maybe impasse years you know people might not want to take them if they're on the team but I'm just not shying away from that at all. There's a lot of those examples this year where you know in cases I might even like having calcium my team more if I have hill because the areas away to hedge against the other one potentially getting injured makes sense I will say as one shameless plug at unfortunate. I didn't have some kind of a tool rule like a some kind of a draft great something to tell me what to do there. In the fourth round I was I was panicking reaching for James White Cell great point guess all those have to look for a trade calculator down the line to see how to rectify some of the holes on my roster.

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Episode 12: Favorite Targets, Round by Round

Establish The Run

44:45 min | 1 year ago

Episode 12: Favorite Targets, Round by Round

"<music> i it has low welcome to episode. Twelve of the official established the run dot com podcast. My name is adam levitin. I'm one of the cofounders here and each year is as usual. I am joined joined by my partner in this endeavor fellow co founder the man who has actual football experience as which we know because he tweeted a picture of himself playing football last week it is of course silva what's going on yeah. Man's got to put on my resume. I got these receipts. How old are you in that picture. I think it was fifth grade. I don't know evan is huge in real life like if i didn't know oh that haven't like didn't play football in college. I would think that you might have like you definitely have the body for it. You know it's too many white claws stimulate clausen laws and a distinct lack of of speed and explosiveness in jilin all right on this episode. We're going to do something a little bit different. We know that most of you guys have season long draft. Ask coming up in the next week to week and a half years so we are simply go through each round based on rough a._d._p. And give our favorite pigs in that range pretty simple right basically like if we have a perfect draft. This is what we would do. These are the players that we would take so. I think it'll be fine. We'll let you know who our favorite players are in each round and hopefully you guys get a lot from it but first reminder that during the season one week one starts we will be doing two shows per week friday night and sunday morning they will be part of our season package so head to establish the run dot com check it out before prices. Go up art evan. I'll let's start with around one here. <hes> where would you because this is a huge common question that we get if you could choose your draft slot right now. Where would you choose it. And who would you take jake and then we'll get into a couple of picks later because i think there's a pretty big consensus among the top three yeah. This is a great question and it's a question i get all the time and i can't answer like every <unk> reply on twitter but try to answer as much as i can and it actually shifts from like it could shift from day to day but my drafts my favorite drexel fought right now a twelve team league is one point three and <hes> actually on saturday night i did and <hes> h hundred vigil buying f. f._c._c. main event draft with some buddies and we got the one point three and christian mccaffrey went number one alvin kamara what number two and we were very very excited for saquon barkley to fall into our laps at one point three at one point three you can avoid the ezekiel elliott holdout situation you can avoid the david johnson dilemma dilemma if you're if you're on the cardinals offense and you just take whichever running back falls to you between <hes> c._m._c. kamera and saquon and then on the way back jack. We were thrilled to take mike evans with our second round. Pick <hes> so that's my favorite tracks right now. If you would ask my next favorite draft asselot it's just as close to the one to turn as i can get and they're probably gonna take either travis kelsey and one of the first year receivers or just the chew first-year receivers and then after starting with two big time pass caters in the first and second rounds <hes> you can have your shot at two pretty big time running backs near the three four turn most of the time when it comes back to you that could be damian williams it could be devante freeman aaron jones leonard fournette kerryon johnson and and then i think chris carson also belongs in that conversation too so when we're talking about draft shots were not just talking about you know the pick itself but also so because we're forward thinkers we also wanna think about how does it position us for the rest of our draft and so those are my favorite two slots one point zero three and then as close to the one to turn as i possibly can you yeah <hes> i also agree one point three would be the favorite right now now but if i go to the back end guys that i would definitely take if i drew pick. I don't know ten eleven twelve. I like both the browns guys in the chub and odell beckham. I certainly like like julio but yeah i mean i think as evan said regardless of your <hes> <hes> strategy or what you plan to do. You're going to get eh good players all the way down at at one point one wine and two point one and two point two so i think that the back end of the first one is actually pretty good place to draft also and if i how did drafted the back end evan my favorite pick in round two by far and maybe his a._d._p. Is gonna go up based on what he did in week. Three preceding round to my favorite pick by far is davin alvin cook. I i mean perfect scheme for him. With gary kubiak a team that is extremely committed to being on team established the run. <hes> improve proved their offensive line a little bit but true three down plus goldline role for davin cook who is now an extra year removed from his a._c._l. Tear so i would be excited to start odell dalvin or chopped alvin or something like that. Yeah i dig it. I dated <hes> my favorite second round. Pick is probably it's between juju smith schuster. Mike evans right now. I think that both guys have very high floors in wide receiver one overall finishes in their range of potential outcomes juju. Smith schuster is the clear cut number one receiver on the team that lead the n._f._l. In pass attempts last year and then cut out antonio brown jesse james and they have a ton of available global targets in the offense and then mike evans has finished top five in the n._f._l. Air yards four straight years now playing for one of the best vertical pass coaches in league history history in bruce arians and were pulling out of that offense adam humphreys into showing jackson <hes> but to both guys mike evans and juju smith schuster our number one receivers on extreme volume passing teams. They have great resumes in. They've been durable. If i was going to go with a running back in the second round i'd probably side with you and go with alvin cook. I think that he very much can be in the mix of the top five fantasy back this year they i mean they're all in on delvin cook this year yeah. The only problem with taking mike evans around to is that he's the second best wide receiver on his team outon. Do this all right. I'm not doing this round three. I'm excited about running backs in in round three and i think i lean more towards running backs early than evan does in my draft strategy this year. I wouldn't want to go running back running back running back but i would probably we like to have two running backs in the first three rounds because around three the three that i really liked lenny for net aaron jones devante freeman. I think all three have massive awesome ceilings as true down plus goldline backs. We've spent a ton of time on this podcast. Talking about leonard fournette spent a ton of time talking about aaron jones and what we think he can do and devante the freemen and it's quiet around devante freeman i think because the media around atlanta is in a feverish as some other teams but man <hes> this atlanta offense is set up extremely extremely well. Kevin coleman is gonna von. Freeman is extremely healthy. Always played really well. In the past game always played well at the goal line so i'd be happy with any of those three are- running backs in the third round we look at what do you like in the third round. Yeah i like. I like all three of those guys <hes> but i would probably say damian williams i mean i think that there was a clear overreaction to some early camp hamstring soreness and it basically served as confirmation bias for a certain group of people bowl who had already decided that they were going to be out on damian williams because of his limited track record but damian williams is back healthy and he's rolling he led the chiefs targets targets in the third preseason game broke. A sixty two yard gain on a real route scored ten touchdowns over the last six games. He's big. He's always been a great athlete. He's excellent in the passing game and i don't think he's going to be a true twenty plus per game touch workhorse as a -sarily but i i think he can be a big big hit on seventeen and nineteen touch for game. You know again i just i want to invest in this offense. Where do you stand atom on damian williams verses those guys that you mentioned leonard fournette aaron jones devante freeman am i am. I being too bullish on damian williams now i i would take amy millions before those guys actually think that you know people say dams has never done it before. I actually think that's positive i mean he's not worn down at all and just because he didn't didn't play from miami. Miami's a bunch of donkeys. I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing so yeah. I like damian williams. I think the way andy reid calls plays as extremely conducive to the lead back and they've been adamant. I mean the chiefs have been nothing but adamant damian williams is their lead back <hes> so yeah and as we talked on the previous previous podcast looks like carlos hyde is going to be cut. I would be shocked and surprised if if <hes> any type of lead role went to darwin thomson as a rookie so i think that's actually a good thing like even though darn times is more talented than carlos sided. A better player 'cause tied right now. Coaches would not trust darwin thomson as much as they would loyd a veteran like carlos high. Does that make sense absolutely art. Let's go to round four here and i'll let you go first this time. Have you gotten around four well. <hes> no no you go okay. I'll let the pig together. I gotta go. I gotta stay on branding. I went to penn state. Chris godwin was an extreme producer at penn state dominated. The big ten dominated the preseason anytime he got a chance when to sean jackson was hurt over the last couple years chris guy when came in dominant except for that one ravens game. He's played on all fifty eight. Jameis winston snaps this preseason been in the slot thirty. Two times came up with a six seven to one line. I think that there's well within the range of outcomes like thirty percent of the time crisci when actually outscores mike evans wins this year and it sucks that there's so much hype and buzz around chris godwin but i do think that it's warranted and if he gets to me in round four i'm happy to take kim especially. If the draft goes how i wanted to go into all ready have two running backs. I am in absolute lockstep with you on chris carson in chris godwin if i was gonna pick another guy just to be different because those would be my picks it would probably be amari cooper this plantar fascia aasiya irritation which just seems like a routine day-to-day injury if you read dr chow has pushed him into the fourth round in f. p. c. dress us mark hooper bought out hard just coming in cold with dak prescott midway through last season seventy five plus yards in touchdown in seven of eleven games games including the playoffs and the cowboys have one of the easiest past events scheduled in the league and with a._d._p. Dipping it's time to buy the dip it as the great jeff collins would say in pounce on amari cooper especially if you've seen him in the fourth round i i i still have amari cooper is like a borderline second around value is going to frigging fourth-round now. What an awesome like stack that prescott to amari cooper. I think they're gonna i think figuring crush this season based on their schedule based on what they showed last year and based on that they have a new offensive coordinator who's probably gonna bring some new age designs signs and some progressive ideas to their offense in kellen moore. Yeah adak has looked awesome. This season i mean him and he's been absolutely absolutely shredding in the pre market brand played but <hes> he's looked also during the bottom michael gallup i mean dak prescott has been a straight ball and i think if ezekiel elliott mrs time which trump sure not still not certain that he will but that would for sure make them skew a little bit more past heavy when zeke is not out there all right. Let's go to round five live here. I am going to go with. I considered saying sony michelle here and we talked about him on episode eleven a lot. I'm going to say tyler lockett. Efficiency from russell wilson is just out of control and even though we likely won't see it in the first game because their home against the bengals. I do think that russell wilson we forced into more pass attempts this here. We've talked on this podcast before about how the defense is regressing from a talent perspective and i think that will lead to more shootouts more <hes> more on russell wilson's shoulders shoulders. Tyler lockett is for sure <hes> his best receiver by far. I mean they're they're now without david moore for a little bit there now without decay metcalf for a little bit. I think chris carson can be good in the past kim. I'm not sure they're gonna use him. They don't have much a tight end so there's a lot on the shoulders of tyler lockett here if you can get him in round five and we almost did get him. I believe that was around five of that ever see three fifty we did which he watched the video of the draft kid but we almost got tired lock in round five just missed him but he's to me. A slam dunk in round five is tower rocket. Yeah we've done to three hundred fifty dollar. Buying drafts live videos and you know you can just like wash throughout the draft and we got some great graphics six that you can see during the draft. You know talking about like uh statistics a._d._p. And all that kind of stuff <hes> tyler lockett oh that's all in the draft draft hit on a saboteur run dot com total lock it definitely one of my favorite fifth round picks. He's going to be a target magnet. This this season especially with all the seahawks talented outside receivers falling by the wayside david moore out weeks into the regular season deka metcalf who by the way only played twenty one games ole miss because he was so frequently injured ardy needed a knee scope. You know sometimes these like big <hes> like uber athletic dudes. They're just so they're just like to athletic for their bodies and <hes> decay metcalf. I'm not saying that that's the case with became calf but i think it's like sort of a legitimate concern. <hes> tyler lockett last year just destroyed in the slot. He caught twenty six twenty nine slot targets in scored five ten t._d.'s in the slot and i wasn't even his primary position was doug baldwin primary position now. It's going to be tyler lock. It's primary position addition lock. It is a freak athlete who is one of the best return man in league history. <hes> and <hes> was a great or at at least of our generation and he's just so quick like in week. One like i like dark has denard as the bengals slot corner. I think he's decent but but he is not an athlete. Title is gonna run circles around this dude the guy that i would add to this fifth round discussion like your one of your ideal targets would be o._j. Howard and you're the bucks are probably my favorite team. Stack right now and i think that o._j. Howard is a guy that we might look at after the season and consider shitter among the best tight ends in the n._f._l. Based on his preseason first team usage. She is not coming off the field for the bucks this year yep and i had some questions about that you know o._j. Howard it has not a racked up much in the box score this preseason but he's been on the field for every single one of jameis winston snaps except for one and he's run around <unk> out on majority of past plays so i'm not wearing all about o._j. Howard has usage has been awesome <hes> okay. Let's go to around six here stole one year guys here. I know you're extremely high. I on tyler boyd but this is one of the reasons that i think i'm okay going arbi. Arbi are be or arbi arbi wide receiver or even rb tight end end rb or something like that to start because i already mentioned round four chris godwin ron five tyler lockett now mentioning round six tyler boyd tyler alert boyd out of the slot for a team. That's going to be trailing a ton tyler. Boyd has serious chemistry with any dawn and i think you made the point that <hes> tyler boyd has major major ceiling whereas some guys some other wide receivers going around six does not like todd is actually good and can get up to twenty five twenty seven twenty eight percent target's could share <hes> which is massive for round six so i know i was kinda. Stole your pick there but <hes> yeah. That's my around six guy yeah. I mean on saturday night again. I did this big the main event draft on f. f._c._c. We actually took him. In the fifth round. We took tyler fifth round and we had a big debate when we were on the clock so i have tyler in these these guys that i draft with their from saint louis. That's where i went to high school. There's established run dot com subscribers to but they in these guys is a right next to each other tyler boyd and robert woods have tyler boyd wide receiver eighteen and have robert woods wide receiver nineteen both obviously in the same tier so when we come on the clock we're debating tyler boyd versus robert woods you know one guy says hey robert was in a way better offense and that's legitimately good you argument in favour of robert woods. His touchdown upside is probably quite a bit higher than than tyler boy but cooper cup is coming back. There has been some discussion russian at the rams might play more two tight end sets this year. <hes> using more gerald ever comes off the field in those situations. I'm not sure might be supercup might happy robert woods pinar brandin cooks because he just bring so much value even when he doesn't have the ball in his hands <hes> but i think it's it's super super close and i i kinda was like a dictator in the draft and i was like no. We're taking toddler boy but again woods was like higher floor more consistent option option but i think the toddler boy has a better chance to be a league winning pick. I think he's an absolute steel. In the sixth round again we took him in the fifth and we took him mm-hmm at five point zero three so we took him early in the fifth <hes> other guys that stood out that stand out in the sex round alan robinson in evan ingram ingram <hes>. I think that we see on robinson's. Take a big step forward this year. After an up and down first season with a new quarterback in a new offense alan robinson averaged nine targets per game over the bears last five games and he destroyed in that playoff game against the eagles. He was the best offensive player on the field in that game. He's been healthy throughout throughout training camp. Evan ingram has also been healthy all camp. He averaged over for seventy seven yards per game over the <unk> over the giants alas five games last season. No odell beckham golden tate suspended for four games. Evan ingram should smash targets and you know daniel jones impressive preseason. I think should increase our confidence a little bit in buying giants players like saquon barkley <hes> like evan ingram and sterling shepard who <hes> obviously is not a six round consideration here but i think he's starting to look like a value pick later iran and dress yeah. Danny dimes has been awesome and i agree with you. I it does make me more optimistic. We're doing that wrote a world of friends and family draft. I just took sterling shepherd but i didn't. I don't remember around it was but yeah. I was much more excited to take sterling shepherd now that we've seen danny. Dimes just absolutely thrashed the preseason art. Let's go to around seven seven. I have a guy that we've talked about a ton on here. Mark ingram last year was going in round four. I think latavius murray will have roughly the same role that mark ingram had by the taste. Murray is going around around seven or maybe even later you might even get davis murray in round eight in some spots because people just assume that he's going to be strict backup in hardly play behind alvin kamara. I i do not think that will be the case at all obviously latavius. We'll have some standalone value but if anything were to happen to alvin kamara it would be an absolute smash for latavius murray's so no no brainer to me particularly as i mentioned if you go wide receiver early if you go tight end early. Alitalia's murray is going to be a priority in the seventh round <hes>. I know you love that evan adam. What do you think about other seventh round picks yet like latavius murray <hes>. I guess my only issues that i've started seeing going in the eighth round oh but i but i do like him. Mike writer on at six eight turn anywhere in the eighth round. Latavius murray's just hit that button. The guy that i picked for the seventh round in an optimal scenario was actually the josh gordon who has a seven to eighth round a._d._p. Right now people are just not moving aggressively enough on josh gordon we haven't valued at established run dot com as like a a fringe v six round so if you're drafting <hes> you know right now. You're using the tears in your using the rankings. Josh gordon is squarely in your crosshairs. Good chance you're gonna get them. The patriots just pulled <unk>. Josh corn off n._f._l. Analyst were they played. They kept him there for a week and actually one be jeff. How who's excellent now for the athletic formally for the boston herald he actually suggested at one point point that the patriots might keep josh gordon on the list which operates just just like the p._u._p. List in so so in that scenario josh gordon would have missed the first six weeks. That would have been very problematic but that's not going to happen because it came off the n._f._l. So that's kind of a breath breath of fresh air and more information and it looks like he's going to be ready for week one. He's he should be able to get in two full weeks of practice with tom. Brady before the season and that is a lot more than anything. Josh warden had last year. Josh gordon came in col- after the trade from cleveland. It took him only only two weeks to take over as a big time weapon in their passing game and he only scored two touchdowns in eleven games with the patriots so he's got some positive touchdown regression shen forthcoming <hes> yeah and they really need josh gordon has talked about. I believe that was episode ten or nine of the podcast they really need josh gordon okay in round eight and this is why i'm kind of skeptical and not skeptical. I think trump's coast is going to have an awesome year. I think george kills have an awesome year. However you mentioned evan engram and howard possible picks around five round six here in round eight. I'm gonna mention vance mcdonald. I'm also going to mention hunter henry. You mostly gonna mention jared cook. I am fine with all these guys as tight ends and i don't have to tie up a first or second round. Pick in travis kelsey or george kill. I understand that those guys is are going to be difference. Makers over these other guys i'm talking about. I think will be mediocre and have up and down a weeks but i think i believe the top seven top eight. Tight ends are all perfectly fine so if i'm gets around eight i don't have a tight end yet. I'm looking at vance mcdonald looking at gerry cook and probably a good chance hunter. Henry is already already gone but our paradise hunter henry if he were still there in round eight yeah definitely definitely vance <hes> for me. Willfuller is another one sammy watkins. This is also in this conversation wide receiver three slash wide receiver four picks that have high end wide receiver to upside will fuller has eleven touchdowns over his last sixteen. Ah sixteen games <hes> we know that the texas are going to have to throw the ball a lot more this year because of their schedule <hes> kiki hugh t we have no idea what his injury the status as their lead running back now as pass catching back into johnson so naturally they're going to be more pass oriented than they have been in recent years ears sammy watkins if you look at the eight games where he played at least thirty snaps last season he was a high end wide receiver to he was really good in the playoffs. He was good when he was healthy. You know and there have been some rumors some trade rumors involving tyree kill have you have you picked up on this. I saw benjamin albright like replied to somebody with like you wouldn't believe who's on the trading block at wide receiver in eligible speculated that it could be tyreek hill yeah and it's more than than benjamin albright. It's <hes> daniel jeremiah. <hes> is an i like michael. Lombardi on his latest podcast was talking about a big time wide receiver that no one would even believe would be on the trade market. He didn't say tyreek hill so not putting words in his mouth but tyree kill is in a contract year or is entering a <unk> contract. You're next year i think and they talked about doing an extension gene with him and then the field staff kinda you know kind of like rain its course and then you know it's like. I don't think he would be a surprise if he was traded to. The big rumor would be tyreek hill for judy van clowney. That's been a big rumor but i not saying i put stock in but the chiefs did trade up for me cole hardman and what is co hartman don and training camp at the preseason bold out yeah okay and they spent a ton of money on sammy watkins so sammy watkins i think is a value pick right now regardless of the tyreek hill situation and boy what but he skyrocket if the chiefs did end up trading tyreek hill and seeing watkins becomes the odds on favorite to be the number one receiver in the best damn offensively i. I played nicole harmon abundant preseason dude as a baller man. I mean he's just and yeah. It's against second third stringers but i mean he's just clearly so much faster than everybody else on the field. That's wild okay. Let's go to round nine. I have a wide receiver. I like here particularly. If i go rb heavy early marquez valdez scanning we know the athleticism is there. We know we've in chemistry where some chemistry with aaron rodgers already. I think he's gonna play every snap and drama. Alison will come in three sets and play in the slot so it's just just a perfect situation for vowed scanning to come in there in this new scheme and play with a really good quarterback in aaron rodgers just an athletic guy in a good situation. I think it's hard to go wrong there around nine <hes> jabbing around nine yeah n._b._a. Scrape pick dante pettis a._d._p. Has fallen into the ninth round and yet do an up and down camp in preseason. Kyle shanahan has called him out multiple times in the media <hes> they played them into the fourth quarter of their third preseason season game you i'm willing to buy him in the ninth round for sure because i still firmly believe that he's the favourite to lead the forty niners wide receivers in targets and again an amazing player with the ball on his hands. He scored nine return touchdowns in his college career that has had a predictive effect on <hes> receivers in the n._f._l. Just being good with the ball in their hands odell beckham was a great return specialist in college t y hilton was green great return return specialists in college. The show jackson dez bryant was an amazing punt returner at oklahoma state antonio brown the list goes on and on <hes> just it's it's a t. y. Hilton <unk> a great skill for a receiver to have and this a._d._p. Dip i think this is a dip or you buy you buy the dip hip on dante pettis <hes> yeah it's scary i i mean. I don't know what caution is trying to do but he's like. Normally coaches don't really bash guys in the media <hes> <hes> they just say hey. You know why don't wanna talk about it or just doing what we think's team but he's like dante. Pettis has to earn his role on the team. That's why he was playing into the fourth quarter so oh i don't know man. I understand why his a._d._p. Is dipping. I do agree with you though that he will likely still be a starter and after majority snaps in week one against the bucks <hes> my pick for round ten evan also in the forty niners but it's at the running back position matt brita to me is a really talented guy like yeah you could say. He's hash tag team preseason reverend. He's produced big time in the regular season when he was hurt now healthy and i think it's not far fetched to say that he will be sixty forty hour sixty eighty five thirty five behinds having coleman but it will be hot hand like i don't think it'll be afraid to ride matt brady certain situations at all and if i can get that in round ten i'm happy with that showed nice hands hands on a wheel route <hes> in the third preseason game and i liked they're willing to use him. There on third downs too so yeah. I think my brain is nice. Pick especially if you're going like zero a b or something like that and they get here and you're like man. I need some some help but running back. I think matt brady makes a lot of sense yeah matt britos. He's reminds me of american express you. Don't leave your draft draft without a dad joke but bring it bring it back all five offensive line starters from an offensive line that return that <hes> finish top five or top ten in the n._f._l. In football outsiders adjusted line yards last year matt brita average over i five yards per carry and went over a thousand yards from scrimmage last year playing through a dislocated shoulder in high ankle sprain he just a frigging warrior man and i know that coach shannahan loves tevin coleman he does but when is heaven coleman showed us that he should be a true workhorse running running back he hasn't you know and so i think that's going to be a two man backfield and i think it's probably going to be a what is the preseason split has been what what like twenty one to fourteen right. I actually haven't had a chance to review the san francisco week three yet but it's gonna be interesting because jimi played a ton domino. Watch that tomorrow morning in and get back to you guys but yeah it looked like it was about sixty forty and i think the mob rita is a better receiving back then is kevin coleman so <hes> and we saw that on his twenty two yard touchdown catch so yeah i mean matt. Brita is unfortunately in that saturday night draft that i did. He went in in seventh round it all guys that's the earliest that i've seen mabry to go. Usually you can just get routinely in the ninth or tenth but he's a guy that i really. I wanna take every single draft. <hes> you make around ten pick. I dunno a couple of even double up on matt breeden. It was certainly matt breda but this is also the round where you start to look at tony pollard which <unk> who by the way baller dude yeah i mean. Are you kidding me. Here's my question on. Here's my question on toni ballard does he have standalone value d think if in wednesay comes back he should yeah. Should i mean this this. How is he. How's he different from alvin kamara. I mean they're like the exact same got. I mean they were like kind of like backups in college. You remember alvin kamara played behind jalen hurd see tony power play behind durell henderson at memphis. They excelled in different ways days. I'm a camera was an excellent receiver. Johnny pollard was an excellent receivers well. He also crushed on kickoff returns. I mean <unk> like if anybody seen tony pollard in the preseason and i understand that it's the preseason. I don't care the way he moves is just like he is so freaking freaking explosive and you had an amazing that today that that prescott has played what twenty two snaps or or what was your was your stat yet twenty two snaps apps for dak prescott over the last two preseason games. Tony pollard has played twenty two every other running back has played zero so yeah i mean i think zeke mrs time. I'm extremely confident saying that tony parker is going to be an every down back yup eleventh round eleventh around where i start to look at quarterback and i know people say that's crazy and everything i think if you can get lamar jackson accent in round eleven if you can get james winston in round eleven those exciting exciting picks for me and i'm more than happy to ride with that. I noticed a lot of the draft applets. I was looking through for the abused default rankings article. That's in the draft kit <hes> even yahoo which had amazing rankings like i was shocked. I haven't done that article in like five years or or something i mean yahoos rankings were too good. Almost it's like almost frustrating but they did have quarterbacks priced up way more way higher than i would take. Get them so i would let people take their quarterbacks and then to me. My favorites are lamar jackson and jameis winston and somewhere round round eleven around twelve is where i'm gonna make. The <music> plunged there a quarterback hundred percent agree on lamar jackson in our saturday night draft. We got russell wilson in the eleventh round the i got russell wilson in a football guys draft earlier this offseason the fifteenth round also like james winston here. I i just wanna read like people are down on russell wilson this year in his it's crazy. I'm gonna read off. They're scheduled to begin the year okay so we agree that they're like a team. Stat candidate not week one at home against the bengals writing week. Do they go to the steelers very well could be a shootout week three they go back home and play the saints could very well be a shootout week four. They play the cardinals who are sieve week. Five play the rams could at home in seattle could very well be shoot out a week. Seven browns could very well be a shootout so i mean that's that's a pretty dope schedule. They didn't face the ravens but they're at home and then they face and they go at the falcons <music> in the dome. That's gonna be awesome and then they come back home and they face the buccaneers and then they go to the forty niners. Okay i mean we're a deepened in november at this point that telling me that that russel wilson is overrated. Take russell wilson in your drafts. Love it yep ah i agree and and i talked about last podcast how i thought he's attempts would spike in a big way this year round twelve. We're starting to get into the kind of flyer range which i talked about in the article in the favorite flyers article. I don't know you can get darwin thompson around twelve anymore. I kind of doubt it considering all the buzz. I guess it depends who your opponents are but i think you can get justice hill around twelve and this dude has a ton of jews on a team. That's going to run the ball so so so much so justice hill to me is a nice flyer to see how they use mark ingram early and just how much they can get justice hill onto the field one thing about these late round picks around twelve through sixteen or whatever i wanna no early because i wanted to be able to attack the waiver wire early in the season. I don't want to be like well. I gotta hold onto this guy. I mean they're gems to be had on the waiver wire in weeks one through enforce. I don't wanna be like beholden to any of these guys so if justin hills getting zero carries zero catches in weeks one and two i can move on from him but i think he will and that's why i'm okay. We take him around twelve. All about justice hill life <hes> i moved <hes> michael gallup recently the end of the top one fifty and he's on my wealth round radar i in case i'm underselling that amari cooper injury which is a possibility <hes> but i rely on dr shaolin allen. Dr xiao knows way more than me about anything having to do with medical situations and he's quite confident in amari cooper but still you know there's a chance that take a ten percent chance docker child could be wrong in that scenario say amari cooper mrs time gallup has destroyed in the preseason and and it's not just the preseason reports at a cowboys campfire that he has been destroying practice to and he looks ready for like a big time second year leap so. I don't think we can get darwin thompson anymore. In the twelfth we gotta move him out to like really even like the ninth or ten but i do think that we can still get justice hill the little bit and and michael gallup all right around thirteen. I've chase edmunds. I've seen chase edmunds. Go even later than this. This first team snap count was <hes> you know like eighty five fifteen in favor of david johnson so i'm not confident or over confident that chase edmunds is going to stand alone value but i do think he's a really talented player with a ton of juice similar justice hale who if something were to happen to david johnson would be a total smash so i'm not in love with this one but i do think that chase edmunds is one of the a better handcuffs in the league. That's going right now in in some situations in some scenarios where they actually get to run seventy plays in a game seventy five plays in a game eighty plays isn't a game that chase edmunds could have some standalone value but that's what i have around thirteen yeah definitely chase edmunds at running back receiver. I like sean jackson. Jamison crowder here totally different styles of players obviously but i don't think it's crazy to think the jamison crowder could lead to jetson catches and then the sean jackson is going to be a fun wide receiver over three play when he gets plus matchups. He's going to get one of those right off the bat week one revenge game against the redskins yeah eagles beat writers can't stop talking talking about how well does shawn jackson is looked in training camp. I mean for what it's worth okay in round fourteen. I have a guy that does not like i have drawn brown here in round fourteen and you know the early role is going to be very secure for jerome brown. We know decay metcalf is hurt. We know david moore is hurt. We know greg jennings. I'm sorry gary jennings. He's has not performed for the seahawks so dry. Brown is going to play every snap. He has size. He's showing red zone ability and as i said has been mentioned i think russell wilson's attempts going to spike so certainly not in love withdrawn brown's physical ability or natural talent but i do think it's a better situation than people give the credit for on dr brown and i'm sure you can get him in the fourteenth round or maybe even later now yes he. This is where i i start like i just i don't think drawn brown as good. Oh that creates like an inherent bias but then adam you're so good at like being able. You're way better than me. At being way opportunity freddie versus talent evaluation. You've always been better than me at that and so. I know that this is going to be one of the guys on like no. I don't want this and then he's just going to go off for like four weeks <hes> but i i like dak prescott here. Dak prescott often lasts to the fourteenth round kind of like darren waller a little bit here too. I was too down on darren waller while he was nursing that shoulder injury because he has such a bad injury history but he's back and he's like locked into that raiders pass catching tight end role and derek carr likes to throw the ball in the middle of the field as jared cook experienced experienced as seth roberts experienced and as a amari cooper experienced opposite and as in tokyo brown is about to experience the awesome yeah a lot of positive reports on daring waller coming out of raiders camp are we're getting to the nitty gritty here. We're gonna do sixteen rounds. Here is around fifteen. <hes> in my guy is dontrelle hilliard who obviously with the do johnston trade steps into that pass down roy and i think the chubs pastoral will expand band but he might not take all of it and in that case dontrelle hillary could actually have some standalone value. Maybe five six seven touches a game so i just a flyer here. Here's what happens see what happens on passed down evening. Trubkin sustained health but yeah. I just think dontrelle herod is a good player in a really good offence fully aboard the non intro your trait a train. I take him in the fifteenth round like every draft i do <hes> so i'm there with also deebo samuel who also played in the fourth fourth quarter of the forty niners third preseason game like you're trying to send a message to him but he's another guy who was so good on <hes> in the return game in the s._e._c. We see and he was thirty six pick in the draft. I'm surprised that he doesn't have more bus thirty six. Pick in the draft man like going a going kyle shanahan offense a- likely likely starter. I mean i think he's gonna end up playing more snaps and marcus goodwin. I think he's a great fifteenth round. Pick yet all all right last pick of the draft here. We're not doing any kicker or defense nonsense. If you listen to our segment with scott pianowski you know <hes> to get rid of kickers and maybe even get rid rid of defenses in your league round sixteen. I have a guy who i've played every time he's been on the slate in preseason and there's not much in front of him and that's doray. I hope i'm saying that right. <hes> ronald jones has a chance to be just a massive massive boston. We've seen nothing ronald jones still <hes> all last preseason all last regular season and now this preseason also peyton barbara's certainly replacement level player dr to me <hes> as much talent as these guys and is almost certainly going to make the team. I think you had a tweet today that he's definitely gonna make the team has the number three running back and and just as a shout out to hashtag team preseason. I'll be releasing my official team preseason awards after week four but there's a good chance to dr is going to be the first team for running backs yeah and he deserves to be my last pick is going to be tied montgomery. I was listening to a recent <hes> podcast featuring drew dink meyer and he just like rip me about about like like some time montgomery tweet. I montgomery is a._d._p. Was like rb seventy eight and i tweeted that i i was twenty spots ahead of consensus on time montgomery like rb fifty eight which is like the back you know like the last five guys in the top one fifty in. I guess i guess at their website website. They're they're not very high on time. Gumri tell you who is high on montgomery and he's got kinda. Crazy is any wears his hat low and he's the head coach of the new york football jets and tie montgomery is the clear number two running back behind leon bell who hasn't played a football football game in twenty months or in twenty months yet so you know how is leaving on bella gonna react to getting hitting number one number two in his first five n._f._l. Seasons wavy on bell averaged three point six missed games per year. I mean i want the number two running back on on the jets right now. I think that sam darnold looks really good below. All powell does not look good. <hes> maguire's about to get cut in trenton. Canaan is a a special team so i hope that <hes> dink listens to this in first of all what is ding everyone. The funniest part is things like the nicest guy in the entire face planet. You're the only one that's been attacked by dink in the in the entire world for for the time montgomery love now and and i've watched the jets play 'cause they've played their first team a lot. This preseason and time montgomery and sam darnold have looked really really good together and i always like guys who catch the ball well out of the backfield in my backup running backs and that's certainly what ty montgomery can do all right. That's gonna do it here and i think this was fun. I i hope this was useful for people as they get set to draft. We have an outrageous amount of content in the draft waiting much for thirty dollars. I will say <hes> it's outrageous so go to establish dot com check out the draft kid. If you have a draft coming up. That's thirty dollars more importantly. The in-season package is on sale all right now for two hundred dollars that will take all the way through the super bowl for everything that we have at established the run dot com so go check that out as well for for evan for jerry for producer luke. I am adam good. Luck everybody uh-huh.

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 306: Running Back Scarcity

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 306: Running Back Scarcity

"Golden state media concepts fantasy football podcast is your one stop shop for fantasy football news and advice sign rooted draft first round Dali Gaga, and how a lot of your team's got. You covered dishes only sinus steam leaks he arlene IDP. piggly fed to see football Seanez. We break down all the question of fantasy football. It's the golden state media concepts, fantasy football podcast. Welcome to the G. S. M. C. Fantasy football podcast on the GS. M. Z. podcast network. How's everybody doing hope we're all doing. Okay. We're living live doing well. You know we got to come in with a winning attitude over here on this I, we are practicing winning culture thinking about how to think like a winner. So that way you will always remain a winner over here at the M. MC I liked that one that's what we're doing here so First things. First, we got a lot to talk about we're going to be talking about my personal fantasy leagues again, of course, you know I've got to keep you guys up to date on what's going on in my leagues, a lot of things moving and shaking, and maybe a mistake has been made. Mistakes are currently in the making who knows but. There's that we gotta talk about some Robert Tanya N-. Maybe the Ravens fancy wiser offense has not really been looking too hot for us. running back scarcity is getting real. It is getting real for many people out there what to do about that the titans. The titans situation going on is not helping that whatsoever rest in peace Aj Brown owners in the. You know people who took. Derrick Henry around the eighth round or I'm sorry the eighth pick overall recipes some player targets and trades, and then of course, we get into some games to what's going to happen on Sunday and what to look at so. First things first, we gotta get it in and get an strong right. So Robert Tanya an had an excellent game and he is one of the Prophet. He's like number one now just by edge, he's like number one. Tied in in fancy scoring. and. That's exciting. If you pick them up this week, you looking up. But how much is this going to how long is this going to last? Maybe it's time to get off Robert Tanya in real quick. So here's why. I feel like Robert Tanya and he should be a good threat right in theory. But we've seen how this sort of thing happens right right now. Aaron Jones is on in all like tear said all time but last year we thought it was no timetable. He's on pace to break his touchdown. numbers from last year, which is insanity right? He should be on the same level of regression. The lower is because if you do the math, that's Kinda how things work, but that's not really happening right now but isn't a congressman. Jones. But Aaron Jones playing about as well as he could ever play. And you know Aaron Rodgers is playing out of his mind. A Lot. The ball has been moved around a bit. There are some injuries across the board and Robert Town Robert Tanya an eight. A feast against the Falcons granted it is the Falcons do secondary is heard and bad. Their defends as a whole is not very strong. It would seem to be a recipe for disaster in a Lotta people speculated that picking Robert Tanya when Allen Lazard was injured and such would be a tough scene. for the fountains defense, and thus you should have looked to probably look at Tanya N-, for example. But here we are right. So Robert Tanya had excellent game and here's my thought process. Everything, will be fine until Davante Adams comes back devante. Adams is a reception. Monster he eats receptions for breakfast. Remember for week one, he literally unguarded. And he caught everything and he got all the touchdowns Aaron Jones eight everybody. Else's kind a little bit scarcely spread around offense and with that thought process in my win. devante Adams come back one. He's going to be very upset why? Because he wanted to come back against the Falcons where they said No. So, when he is allowed to come back, he's going to play out of his mind. He's going to be motivated. He's GonNa have a thought process already has he doesn't have to work his way back into Aaron? Rodgers he knows how to play Ovarian Rogers has been playing with them for years. So it's not like some sort of chemistry issue that he's going to go back to what he does. Best. When you have a team that seemingly has underrated levels of often to weapons, you know the whole story of. Not. Having enough offense firepower for Aaron. Rodgers is starting to become a little bit Shakey. This year who would have thought that you know Allen Lazard and Robert Tanya. Would be able to hold their own and they have no Davante. Adams who thought but. Here, we are in similar situations and for fancy purposes. Aaron Rodgers does spread the rock around a bit but. There's also an. You know the ceiling is going to shrink. On Tony you're not, GONNA see Kelsey. George biddle type numbers from Tonya especially if Davante Adams comes back so if you have him and already had him you, you feasted on the Labor Robert Tanya in this past week. If. Somebody were to send you an offer for him. And especially, if it contains like if they have like a surplus of running back, he was somehow someway they've hoarded running backs over the past few weeks which I find. Hard. To believe because people have been. Phoenix running backs for all season. Long s basically after week two. I WOULD Highly. Suggest that someone sends you a running back you value. I would fire off and I would. You know stripped stream tied into a little bit until you find one that you're comfortable with because unless you're in a tied premium league, the drop off isn't that far I mean yeah. You won't have a premium tied in so to speak but I have a hard time believing believing that Robert Tannin. is going to end up. Maintaining this level of pace. So it was me I probably skip off them for a while and try to trade him. Just like you should try and Trae Odell high right now because there's just no way Odell is going to continue to. Excel like this with Baker, Mayfield not excelling like is just Baker Mayfield hasn't had A. Really, good game in although all dell exploded. That's more due to, Oh, Dell's level of greatness rather than Baker Mayfield in the Cleveland Browns as a whole because Cleveland's whole thing is we're going to run the ball lake. Stefanski is literally display Minnesota football. In Cleveland. At a higher clip at his own choice. and. That's what it is. Right now it's a lot of running down your throat. We'll throw a play action hopefully, Baker can hit the target. That's what that's what's happening over there in Cleveland. So. When you have something like that going on. If Baker. Mayfield. Isn't on it for the day then you know it was kind of up in the air if. Odell is GonNa have success. So if I had Odell, I'd probably try and trade off to right now and try to get the. This is going to be his highest peak of value. So you might be looking at a nice return if you can get him off in time. But Yeah let's continue on so. Let's move onto the trade I make or made recently remember I traded for Dr Andrew Hopkins that happened now deandre Hopkins is a he's not on my team. Anymore. and. A lot of things have moved and Shaked since then right? Basically. Let me get an opinion out here. I'm trying to play the long game for fancy football because. In the first quarter, I haven't really needed to stress the only loss of taking one league so far. Is. Legitimately. against. The Guy who's foreign now. In our league. Other than that I'm three and one. And I felt that could take a risk. because. I am not in a position to. Lose badly in the next few weeks now granted. A Lotta these guys teams changed week to week because there's just so many traits happening all the time however. As far as I see, I have a high chance of elise going. For the next quarter. Three and one. And, I would say at worst to and into as long as Michael Thomas Plays because traded John Hopkins for Michael Thomas in Trey quantum if I tag trae on Smith as the collateral. Because at this point, I have no idea or should I say I got him as like the idea of being handcuffed to Michael Thomas because Michael Thomas. Does not play this coming Sunday, which honestly I would not be surprised if he does not play because. There's a bye week for the saints for week six. And then the next week against the panthers. Division game pretty important if he doesn't play, Sunday. He is against the chargers. He's definitely gonNA play week seven. And if they really care about winning the division and they feel like they don't want to risk return to league hindering Michael Thomas's one hundred percent recovery rate and they feel confident enough with the team they have. Already. They just would probably go ahead and arrest them another week. Give them two extra weeks arrest before they get into the grime because by week seven, they're going to have to get the ball rolling regardless. So that's why I got trayvon Smith because Terri Kwan Smith has impressed. Basically for the arrest for like this season since week one, right so he's gotten. Quite, a bit of looks so He had five receptions week five I'm sorry week two against L. A.. Gets Love Vegas, let's get right. So he only got in his first two touchdowns of the year came against Detroit. And that's really nice. He had four perceptions and they were big time receptions to you know fifty four yards is nothing to sneeze at and then the week prior. He had four receptions for forty two. You only had eight points, but that's okay and then of course, like I said in week two, he had five receptions for eighty six yards. So He's been serviceable was also keep in mind I have Emmanuel Sanders who has shined in recent time compared to his first three weeks in the season to where Arm Sorry his first two weeks where in week three and four. He has acquired fifteen fantasy points at least and that's great and he had touchdown in week three. So I think he will remain a bigger part in their offense and it's unfortunate that it seems that I'm just stockpiling saints players but that is not the goal here. That's not what I'm trying to accomplish. What I just wanted was a guy who I know when he comes back, his volume will contain will be the same. Michael Thomas out volume? Will remain. The same. And that's just what I can see. then. That's what I feel. I, think as soon as drew looked comfortable in Detroit is going to get the ball rolling for the remainder of the time it just no way. That him and Michael Thomas Aren't going to be on the same page. I just have a hard time believing that considering that he's still been in practice he may not be playing with he's still practicing. So I rather get the guy who was the best receiver. In fantasy last year for a guy who is putting up really great stats volume is. The karloff into starting the IT cooled off from the first beginning of the first two weeks of the first quarter of the season and I am worried because there's a lot of players on that offense that are kind of touching the ball besides the ones that people's deemed important like you know Kenyan drake and is already been said that Kenyan drake needs to get the ball more. In the offense might still be trying to find itself and I think the at and the daily might spread the ball and spread the wealth a bit more and I, have no I. Don't think that the Andrea is going to continue to get the same amount of volume. As he is right now. And that concern me also the ankle thing angle thing didn't look too good as far as I'm continuing to play. I think. A tough guy. He's GonNa continue to play but also I don't like when people sit on ankles. Are Say play early on ankles. And continue to play and just ride it out till it goes because it ankles take awhile to feel right And even when you come back, they won't feel one hundred percent. What you need to do in their wide receiver needs to cut a lot. They have to be able to dig their feet make quick turns. In the turf for the field of they're playing it. The ankle thing. Concerned me so I said well. If the ankle thing is going to concern me, he had eleven points last week against a panthers team. WHO's defense honestly is not. Give up a lot of points to different players like. The two main guys did you would want to stop. In deandre Hopkins. who was limited to four catches I'm sorry, seven receptions for forty yards, and of course, can you drake has been a crying shame thus far, and I really don't know why it is because I don't believe he's a bad player. He's being so severely underutilized especially in the passing game that is getting ridiculous Christian Kirk is getting all touchdowns and we're seeing a little bit of second year. Issues from Colin Murray like when. For the first two weeks look darling looked great. But you know he is the second year quarterback and he had things he had to work on in the first year in that are still kind of peaking. It's ugly heads out. So that's where I met Michael Thomas is on my team. And will survive. All right. We're GONNA take our first break and we'll come back talking more fantasy football here at GMC. Before, we get back to football would say man, it's time to chill out and the best way that I like to chill out with course light, it's made to chill. 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He's expected to suit up against the bengals on Sunday despite missing Thursday's practice where they stomach ache, but he also has a knee thing going on. So just to keep that in mind before we get going here but Lamar for all intents and purposes, right? He had twenty five last week you know two touchdown passes. he also a rushing touchdown that helps. but against Kansas City, fourteen points against Houston seventeen points and against. Cleveland yet twenty seven points so. Overall Lamar has been a little bit disappointing as far as what to expect but. Once again Lamar is getting the natural regression that we probably should have that if you didn't expect, I don't know what you expect it. Right Lamar was only going to regress from what he did last year. It's the same thing with Patrick Patrick Mahomes two years ago was unbelievably fantasy gold. And then he regrets last year injuries and all that came with it but the regression happened aggressions happening right here before our very eyes and unfortunately. That regression. Also impacts everybody else on the team because at least fantasy. Wise Right. Because Jackie, dot com, late jk diving's Mark Ingram. Mark Andrews. These guys Marquees Brown? They're not. Blowing up the fan, the fantasy stat sheets right now in the first quarter of the season, and if you drafted them expecting them to be what the cowboys are. then. You're having a bad time because not everybody is getting you know getting the sugar given the wealth. If anything if drafted Lamar release, you got yourself a high a high volume fantasy running back essentially right running back and throw the ball and I mean you know he's a quarterback but his statistics are close into a running back one if you drop it in him and that's what a lot of people looked at him as in the first place but he is not the same Guy He's basically. I'd say sixty five percent of what he was last year so far, and that makes sense you know the competition he's played has been a lot tougher in the first four weeks of this season than it was last season. Mark Ingram. He's just not getting the. He's not getting a lot of the touches a he would've last year of course bringing someone I j Dobbins. The question marks on what the running attack will look like was there, and now we're seeing a little bit of what my possibly be a regression in his production and in Mark Andrews Mark Andrews has kind of been touchdown are bust a little bit like last week. His. Three of his catches, two of them were touchdown. So if he doesn't score, he has another bad week. And that's not to say that you know I'd rather have Mark Andrews then you know. Austin Hooper right now but at least I know. That hooper is going to give me a solid seven. You know is getting a little bit concerning when you own these Baltimore players and. I don't really know what else to save size it. All ends all lives and dies with Lamar Jackson right now, Lamar Jackson fantasy wires don't get me wrong. They're winning games. They look like a top three team in the NFL still right they are amazing team. But for fantasy purposes. It's not looking great. So maybe it's time to look to trait Lamar to get a better package somewhere else that is up for you all to decide. Of course, you know these are your own teams you get to choose what you want to do. However. If someone is offering you a package that you cannot refuse for Lamar. Jackson, I suggest that you should figure it out. And do it. Expeditiously. Speaking of expeditiously figuring out, we need to figure out this running back scarcity problem pronto because. As we see if you have not grabbed one. You are if you did not be one if you're one of the lucky ones, right like I consider myself very lucky individual I ended up getting album Kamar. Luck. This all up. Alvin Kamara has panned out to be what he is right now, and even he as a player is probably do first midseason regression as Michael, Thomas is going to come back. But I'm Camara has been a blessing to me. He's one me two games out of my four singlehandedly I would say but if you ended up drafting Alvin Kamara drafting even. you know, Aaron Jones or he ended up drafting. Someone like. Wow like in our money back names right now. But especially, if you didn't end up drafting Christian McCaffrey drafting Saquon, which is still ended up getting a top. Five running back nick job. It stinks right? You know that hurts really bad but. For a while if you had chubbier winning. If. You ended up drafting. Ezekiel Elliott. At a certain point. You would say at least he's not hurt for the entire season or miss like six games or going to write you are being you're okay you're your water. Running backs. Are Very thin if you have. Three on your Austria, you're sitting pretty personally in my opinion as long as they don't have the same by week you are doing well, you're doing something. That you doing great. Keep going like. right now I'm would not be interested in trading away running back unless you know for sure like if you feel like Mike, Davis is going to have significant regression when Christian McCaffrey comes back then sure trade away Mike Davis but if you and you need to get a decent hall. To circle that you know to either fill out your team than I would say, yeah go ahead try and do that but at the same time, right I'm not even sure that we see Christian McCaffrey and of getting the same workload. that he got before injury because they may want to try and ease them back in. He may be on a pitch count. He may not be running in between the tackles he may be only doing passing game work. Mike Davis as far as I'm concerned. I think he will hold value for decent part of the second quarter of the season. And I would be very cautious. On, his uses rate now right now as US rate is through the roof. So if you are a guy who cares about. Having people at their highest peak of value, and then letting them go and then moving on and doing that sort of thing. Then of course. It might be time to look elsewhere and move them off somewhere but. If. You just need a service full-back that might be able to give you ten eleven points a game. You know if that's your running back to or whatever. Then that might be you might just need to hold on them and just sit because running backs his are available. They're just not running backs are so scarce. Through. DISS. Waivers were running backs are. The top running back waiver wise for us right now in my league. Keyshawn von. Right we have some Alexander. Madison who I ended up drafting right? I drafted him and I dropped him because I didn't know the situation with Alvin contract with that was going to look like and then down cook of course got paid. So that was all well and good but. You've seen a lot of like. Jordan Wilkins out there. You you get in Trenton Cannon. Is Not looking well, it's not a good is not good I mean tried and true. Bernard is down there but I just don't think Giovanni. Bernard is GonNa give you anything worth anything unfortunately if especially if he's not catching the ball which he didn't get one reception. In their win. And they're going up against Baltimore. So maybe maybe he gets more passing work. So if you really need a running back, he might be one just because if you think Cincinnati is going to hang in there with. Baltimore. And being able to run the ball I just don't think that's going to happen but. Know you can only do so much in these waiver wire before things just start to look very scarce. So you may have to spend a spend some trading and getting some guys out there. Because right now the waiver is are drying up the waiver well, if you will. Is drying up. It is not. Looking quality. It is not looking quality. So I'm not I'm not particularly happy about it. Personally, it gives me it scares the Bejesus out of me that running back scarce is high, maybe things will change. Once guys players started coming back and people will be able to. you know be a little bit more lenient in their trade talks right now you might have to give a pretty piece for Josh. Kelley. That's insane. Insane. People with awesome Equa who didn't have Josh Kelley are in a lot of emotional. I. Would Be I just saw somebody trade. Josh Kelley. For Melvin Gordon. I'm sorry. That's why I saw somebody trade offs neck nectar for Melvin Gordon just because he's already one in three and he can't afford more losses. If. He won like if he was my position where three and one you just gotTa, sit on it. You just gotTa. Sit on in a ride through and just know that whoever's replacing him is only gonNA give you about at at bear. Maximum. Eleven points. That's what you're hoping for reality again, like six. You'RE GONNA have to ride that six points per game until awesome can return. That's just what it is unfortunately. I wouldn't. But. For the real when you're down bad. You'RE GONNA, make some down bad decisions is just like. When you know somebody's down back when you know a guy down bed is when he starts selling stuff that has no value just to just to make a little bit of change, people are starting to go to game stop. And so their game systems, right? That's when things are getting tough because you know game stop is taking your thing hand over fist for like fifty bucks paid three hundred or four, hundred dollars for. Two years ago you're done. They're saying you can take the seventy five and go on with your day or you can keep your system which one. And these just be surprised is how many people? Look at that guy who's he selling it to in? Is Look at the playstation. Closes is and just handed over. down. Bad. People are down bad running back situation I. Am I feel down that? All take to just one. I'm at a Myron back course thin of three running backs on roster right now. Of them play on the same team. I still have makers who are drafted and I have durell Henderson Junior. Or Darrell, Henderson Junior. either. One of those is just kicks the bucket. I am in. Panic mode I am and have to start shopping people on my team that I don't want just survive him gasping for air. So I am in I've been searched to fill the running back void right now, and it's not good trying to get people to come running back right now is just not possible. It's actually almost impossible. People don't want to trade running backs. Everybody's asking for one in the League you're not getting it. It's tough. Honestly I don't know what to do about it. I'm just going to have to wait a week by week by my time. And do my deeds in the darkness so to speak you know I try not to try to get my trades done in privacy because it's going to show up in the group chat. There's GONNA show up in the text read someone's GonNa put damage in there and know somebody's not going to like trade and they're going to start talking trash. That's the number. One thing have confidence in what near decision making was in trade. Because if you can't justify the trade. Then No. One can justify the trait and thus you got fleeced. And If you regurgitate what someone else told you in a trade. And why it was good for you to make the trade you got fleas too don't get fleeced. Make strong decisions. Make right minded decisions. That you have your heart and your paper on right these you're trying to win some paper here. So money. So move off some bragging rights. You gotta put it all in. You gotta be able to be all in at all times and you don't want to be caught slipping. because. They will start sliding on you and you don't want people to slide are on you via trades because they'll start smelling the chum in the water right now if you're one in four, I'm sorry if you're one in three if you're in for the Chum, you're the Chum right now and people are swimming around the sharks are on their way. So, you got to start making some moves to get some dubs because if you're not winning. You are in big time trouble for people to just start berating you bad trades berating you were bad trades. That's what people are planning to do to you. There might already starting right now it might be small little blips here and the radar saying like. Hey I see your own four about me Joan Saux ICEES on your. please. But. Let's take another break and we'll come back talking more fantasy. We're GONNA talk. About. Some titans coming up. Check out the show that's built on the a from UFC too extreme cage fighting. They got the fights covered check out the GSM MC MMA podcast get the latest news on past or coming fights join us as we've talked to and about some of the biggest names in the. Past. Present and future when it's the fight game, there's just one show to checkout GSM. See podcasts dot com back slash me dadge podcast. Don't forget to leg him on facebook and follow them on twitter visit GS MC podcasts dot com for more INFO. Nori we're back GSM see fantasy football podcast. Here we are still taping. It is Thursday. So, game was not played yet. We'll talk about that later on Let's move onto the titans situation. Right so titans. Kovin struck them pretty harsh. Last, week in. Reports have said that they were not following proper instructions throughout the entire season. and. It is not looking good. So as NFL continues with positive covert test across different teams to week, five games set for Sunday has been or two week five. Games set for Sunday have been postponed. So the Tennessee Titans in the buffalo game has been moved to Tuesday according to Espn Adam schefter well, New England and Never Broncos game is being moved to early in the week as well as you'll be moved to Monday night. broncos reporter Mike Killed reported that both the Titans and the Patriots have been postponed in week four. So Adam schefter saying that bills and chiefs game being switched from next Thursday to Sunday with goes back it. will go back if more positive tests and Tennessee per source. and. Mike key says that the broncos have been informed that their game against New England has been moved to Sunday to Monday per source and it will be early. Monday night game so. For the titans and Bills Games are still no guarantee that the game is played on his new date due to outbreak with the Titans Organization what began with you positive test on September twenty fourth as transformed into over twenty members of the organization tested positive for Covid nineteen their week four contest with the Pittsburgh steelers was postponed until later in the season. Forcing schedule changes that impact the Baltimore Ravens as well. Reports have recently surfaced showing that the titans holding team workouts and high school fields. Are Holding team workouts at high school fields even after the organization was advised to stay away from the facility in not hold group gatherings with positive tests still coming in, it has some believing that forfeit should be on the table. The bills were scheduled to play the Kansas City chiefs on Thursday night in week six, but the game is now being moved to Sunday schefter reported that. Is unless unless bills week five game against the Titans is postponed in which case there matchup with the chiefs will remain on Thursday. The Patriots and broncos matchup delayed due to New England's cornerback Stefan. Gilmore tested positive for covid nineteen. The Patriots had their week four game against the chiefs moved to Sunday to Monday after Cam Newton tested positive for the virus. All of the tests have come back negative and so more played on. Monday. It seems as if the NFL's now reaching a breaking point and the twenty twenty season after three relatively smooth weeks of play to open. Up The campaign the last week plus has been filled with numerous problems more positive and potential outbreaks will continue to push back other games and create scheduling nightmares so so far league has found a way to work around it, but it may not last forever. This is from Yahoo Sports Ridden by Ryan homer. So great information there. So what do we do if we tighten players? I Have Corey Davis on a roster what do I do? Honestly. I don't know because there's so many things that could go bad for this view have. Derrick. Henry. which to be honest I'll be honest with you I've been trying to by Derrick Henry for a reasonable price. For a reasonable brise, I've been trying to. Get Derrick Henry off of one of the guys that owned him in my league and he refuses to sell an I, understand pride hurts. But keep in mind just because as they do forfeit some games. We still have really no idea when the titans will be able to play football and the relative future because it doesn't seem like the situation is getting any better. Like this Sark's. Player. This is a read. This is a randy's horrendous. This is bad I don't think I'll be able to get off Corey David. See this is not good and I don't even WanNa get off Corey Davis per se. He was having one of the best start debate start of his career thus far in fantasy wise and I was enjoying having him on my team so much so that last week I thought you know what they'll figure it out. This thing would be nixed later on and we'll be all good. So maybe somebody will penetrate Derrick Henry. So I've been trying to get him for a while. For. At least a week now I've been you know fielding offers. and seeing how it works out. But Derrick Henry is just not leaving that dude steam and more power to them. I just hope he realizes by in two weeks I probably will not be asking for Doug Henry because sometimes you just have to move on from guys with respect their decision to say no to your trades. That's the biggest thing. Respect the decision when people say no. Because if you don't. Then, you just being a being a bad guy and we try to promote good trade activity here at GMC. Fantasy football podcast. So don't be a bad guy if he says no that trade move on find someone else if you really needed that bad. But Titan situation looks pretty rough. I don't really know what to tell you because it could be so. With. What your what your team makeup is and what you have. But hopefully, you don't have a lot of titans players to try and replace the bigger ones is the fact that against the big three would be dig Henry. I Guess Ryan Tannehill to less extent. and Aj Brown who even I've put him ahead of Tannahill. But that is It's not good for anybody owning those guys you could probably replace. Tannahill. Were they. Decent level of production you're not. GonNa, Replace Derrick Henry, and you know the whole ideology that Derrick Henry only get stronger as the season goes along as nice and good but he's GonNa be really fresh. So maybe Siri doesn't work out as far as suspensions go. Now. Honestly. If the League really wanted to show how serious they were about covid nineteen. There would be some hefty suspensions coming from. Migrate or Mike Gabel in the gang. Tennessee head coach offense coordinator Defense Coordinator, whoever is the coaching staff. The I'm sure it would just really go to the GM. Or the head coach. Probably head coach over the gym. Right. But there's just no way that the entire organization did not know they were still practicing. So a lot of people are going to have to take the hacks. For this I, don't know who is, but someone's going to have to take a mighty chop from the big acts of the NFL for this. And it's not going to be a player, right? They're already basically being suspended technically because nobody can play. But. The fact that other teams have to sit here in deal with punishment via proxy. Not play their games. In have to push them back or loser by weeks because of this, it's horrendous. That the bare minimum, they need to forfeit a game to the steelers. because. It doesn't seem like this is going to work the titans can't keep this up. This can't keep like if they keep getting positive test, this is going to be horrific. And I haven't seen. Any News on if the contact traced is down and the fact that they went out and practiced last week. Even, though warned in told to stay away from doing so. is a complete disregard to the league's total agenda this year disregard to the fans disregard to other teams. You've put safety in jeopardy for everybody else in the League, you're jeopardizing the league. This. Is completely scale of one to ten. This is like a nine. This is artistry the nine almost close to ten like when people were furious. With Lou Williams for going into a strip club to supposedly get chicken wings where he does have chicken wings named after him. And such. Right. That's the thing. People were saying that he should be suspended from playoffs. He should be suspended for X. amount of games. This this requires immediate discipline some disciplinary action needs to happen. Blake, let's look at this from a pandemic side for just a second. This isn't going to be the most fun thing because we kinda disregarded the pandemic for a little while and this podcast just because football was back. It was fine. It was quirky. We were getting back into grew. He felt like never left us and they technically didn't. But now starting to have some some showings what we all feared was that if we can't control outbreak. What are we going to do or not in some MBA bubble situation right? We can't. Get constant test on the days. Notice one consecutive place. You can't put thirty two NFL teams in one place, right? That's impossible. Because of just the sheer size and will some people talk about I've talked to friends about this say well. Put It on, put them in different cities like you know the during let's say Atlanta because I live here. You know put them at the Marriott for a little bit. Just let them stay there for a long time and I said. NFL Players Association would never agree to do such a thing they want to go home. They will always wanted to go home in this sort of situation. And We can't compare. One of the biggest. You know amusement attractions. In the United States in Disneyworld to Marriott Hotel and you have to stay there the whole time like understand they make millions of dollars like a lot of these guys make millions are you guys make a lot of money that we will never see in our lifetime? But we also have to understand the even us. People who do not make millions. Barely want to be in hotels it we pay a lot of money for. For like a week innovation. Let alone an athlete who can afford better houses look better. Have, to stay there. Go to practice. To work as good a team meetings than just go straight to their their living room I'm sorry to their hotel room. Every day and do nothing else. They can't go anywhere. No it's not happening is. happening, it just can't happen. There's nothing to do. You're going to keep going to the pool twice and then you're done, you're ready to move out and keep in mind these guys travel all the time they've seen all the hotels they know what hotels are about it happen. And it wasn't going to happen that would never have been agreed upon. And the players just wouldn't have come back. I have a hard why they would come back but they wouldn't have settled on that. It would have had the change from that point of view and it still will never happen. There was probably more. Success. In idea of thinking, there'd be like football island like there was fight island. If someone live like Jerry Jones in a gang of super rich investors is started football fields. On like some. Remote island somewhere and just really just went like high school football. Stadium like construction plan. Whip it up, get it going and just a NFL there. That would that I would have believed that would be something NFL PA would've agreed upon before the injury to put people in. You know regional bubbles with their bubbles are just basically hotel rooms and they. Never going to agree with that I wouldn't agree to it and I'm not a player. I. Don't to sit in a hotel room I'm not doing that. Absolutely not. When people go on vacation right when you can do stuff of course. When you go on vacation. Even Corentin Endemic people have gone on vacation. They've had the book hotels they had the book Airbnb staying inside. Why would you do that? If. You paid all the money to. It's crazy thing we pay all this money. Right isn't about. Money. Hotel price rent. I'm not trying to do that. What I'm saying is we as normal society we pay so much money. To rent a hotel room because that's what they charge. But we don't even stay in there except to sleep. That's it. Really we always say in there except asleep either we're taking midday naps or taking the long nap, which is going to sleep at night you know and then we leave. The only bright side about hotels is that you don't necessarily have to make the bed. Some people do it to be Nice Shuttleworth Arrest Westbrook. Eight thousand dollar tip and he made the bed left at spotless in the bubble shout out to him. But you know you don't have to make the bed as long as you know, they have a cleaning crew. And if you get the continental breakfast or get breakfast provided, you're living pretty that's the best part of a hotel. Experience is a continental breakfast for me. So if you remember anything about today's podcast order in general. Even, love the continental breakfast it's been stated here is written and Code. Right there. So. In fact. Showed us out GSM GMC fantabulous pockets on twitter. Let me know you let continental breakfast is right there. We're GONNA take our final break and come back for our last one of the after we talked about some games right here right now GMC we'll be right. Back. Out The show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to the extreme cage fighting we got to fights covered. The golden state media concept's. MMA podcast the latest news of Kobe Feis discussions of previous matches. Join us as we talk to about the biggest names in wins mixed martial arts past present and future. When it's the women's game, you know where to listen to the golden state media concepts, women's MMA. PODCAST. GSM See. Fanciful ballpark has going through. Some Games man but I talked about players who target, but we're by then the plug has off on some games to we gotta talk about that but. Fancy Bros. put out a nice little list. They've done it for a couple of weeks and now I feel like it's been a good chunk of time. So titled Let's make a deal by Dan Harris ten players targeted in trays by week five so Injuries continued to take their toll. For Week four in the result was a significant increase in trading activity in the chart that they provide show the number of trade completed in leagues of managers that have incorporated their teams into the my playbook. From Monday, through Thursday, night of this week so Number one ranked guy over the past week in trades Kenyan drake number two with David Montgomery number. Three Josh Kelley Number Four Todd Gurley number five Antonio Gibson number six Melvin Gordon Number Seven Mike Davis number eight miles gaskin number nine who Jones number ten David Johnson. So last week the top ten most traded players were dealt. A total of fourteen, thousand, eight, hundred, twenty, four times this week, they were eight thousand eighteen thousand six, hundred trades involving the top ten most traded players with injuries to Nick Job Austin. Equity fancy managers running. Running, back, deaf has been tested. So. It's no surprise that nine of the top ten was traded. Players were running backs. And we're going to examine some situations of each of the most actively dealt players and using the trade value chart. It will be seen as if we can find some deals, a fancy managers may want to propose. So Kenyan drake has been one of the biggest appointments and fantasy particularly after last week when he gained thirty five yards and what would have been a smash spot against the panthers. Drake has been as seen a ridiculously low five targets on the season and chase edmunds is found the end zone more often as possible that drake is bothered by his vague preseason injury that had him in a walking boot though there's been no indication that the element is hampering him whatever it is drake's production. This season raises red flags such as buying low is a risky proposition. With that said, you should buy low on Kenyan drake. Drake is still the nineteen breaked running back. For most people enough to make him worth roughly a Juju Smith Schuster type of receiver, and you'd argue that you would continue to be willing to be part of that type of asset. If you need running back though and drake can be had for lower. you start with your offer but be warned this is not a joe mixing hurry and go run out and buy low situation happened last week whether it's Drake's health or offensive philosophy. Something it seems offer the running game. Arizona, and although drake presents a low by opportunity, the operative word is low in the only pay full price you're in is in real neat running back with upside. And there are some repeat offenders from last week's article so. Last week the right erode the Montgomery is always going to be one of the most traded players this season, and that's just how is going to be and unsurprisingly checks in the second most traded players. But this week Todd Gurley was four most traded player this week and was the third most last week Kenyan Drake Mike Davis Miles gassing, and David Johnston all appear on the most traded list for the second week in a row. Well. And for the most part, the same reasons offered last week as to why these Baxter being traded apply today Montgomery girly gaskin and Johnson are all the type of low ceiling guaranteed touch running backs who can be high highly valuable depending on the fancy manager with buys starting injuries to several prominent players that position and covid nineteen are forcing players and potential. Our first thing potential postponements cancellations running back through guaranteed floor can be increased incredibly valuable. As Collier Gates Ashley put this week. So colleague Gates tweeted out me and August Colon? No I don't want maybe on bell on my fantasy football roster me now. Colon will somebody please trade me leaving on bill so I can have starting running back. They're not entirely in the same tier, of course, girly job Montgomery Gaskin in this order. In which they should be valued in the opinion, but all offer a warm body. If you sell high girly after his two touchdown game such as for Amari Cooper then do so but girly does have a light schedule coming up and with Julio Jones injury, the Falcons could lean in on the running game a bit more don't give him away. Montgomery. Is What he is at this point, although fancy managers can expect him to maintain the increase work and the passing game we saw last week. This is not a savior for your team Montgomery value is lower than girlies and this has been written prior to the Thursday night game, of course, but swapping him for a kindergarten day or day shark type player would make sense if you need a wide receiver as for David Johnson fancy managers should try and wait until least this weekend when it's valuable, hopefully be higher after the Texans take on the Jaguars. Johnston has been less than impressive in most difficult matchups in with Duke Johnson back. Fantasy managers are almost certainly not willing to pay for price if you're offering Johnson holding for now unless you can get similar return as you would for Montgomery. As for Gaskin, it depends on the particular situation. If you do need some guarantee touches than gaskin fits the bill if he hasn't had fewer than thirteen touches or six total yards in any game, this season although he lacks touchdown upside that sort of stability is useful for fantasy managers still gaskin is merely on par with John. Brown. Type Receiver in his should be in that range of any deal and as far from Mike Davis he said this last week the writer he's a running back to so long as you start running. Back for the panthers and will be a minimum of two more weeks and possibly longer, but they're still little to no chance that he has much value in the second half of the season. So other than a week later nothing has really changed. Davis will be an excellent play this week against Atlanta but it's unlikely to have significant value over the second half of the season. If you can survive this week, you are in good shape considering making an offer for us in Nick Chub and fortify your team for the long haul. Joshua Kelly. So Josh was Kelly. Inclusion on the list of the most traded players surely has to do with Austin clears injury, which to keep him out of action to four to six weeks. Kelly is presumably taking a heavier load of the platoon work in the Backfield with Justin Jackson garnering more role going forward as well. Kelly's values difficult to assess. He's a rookie who has fumbles and back to back games, and he faces the saints and jets in the next two weeks certainly possible path for Kelly value to stay right where it was prior to the. Acquis injury, but the charges likely aren't going anywhere this season and Anthony Lynn has turned over to start his role to Justin Herbert. They'll want to see what they have in Joshua Kelly. So although the youngster will still surely split time with Justin Jackson probably that he'll see upwards of fifteen touches per game and produce like borderline running back to. If you're roster Kelly. And our strong running back during trading him for someone like Deontay Johnson Disease More Tyler Boyd. And yes or the chance that he could be worth significantly more than that if everything breaks right. But so too is the chance to he'll be worth significantly less banked production now if you have the trade him or reliable asset. And Samuel, Gibson and Melvin Gordon so Gordon Gibson together will be addressed because fantasy managers should value them similarly in trade discussions both are coming off games that resulted in a gain in trade value Gordon touch the ball twenty, five times for one hundred, eighteen yards and two scores against the jets. While Gibson score total one, hundred, twenty, eight yard touchdown against the Ravens Gordon will have to deal with Philip Lindsay's return. Likely beginning with this weekend against the Patriots and gives him we'll see a quarterback change both could be reliable running back to Gordon a bit more valuable in the standard formats in both equally valuable NPR and this year's environment. This equates to a low and wide receiver one value. So don't trade either back unless you're getting a Allen Robinson decay metcalf for Tyler, Lockett type of player. And finally, Julio Jones. So there's been a lot of questions about Julio's trade value. And more than any other player this weekend, there's the his take on this, right his take not his tank but take unless you buy incredibly low don't bother trading for or away Julio Jones just don't. We don't know how much time he'll miss with the hamstring injury if any. So you're necessarily evaluating trade without any data. Will that said some managers just love to deal so if you're valuing. For the moment that he's in right now, it would be as a lower in wide receiver to. Pick him in the same value DJ Shark and Kenya Golladay and just below Robert Woods Interior Maclaurin, if you roster Jones and you definitely need a replacement. There's an area in which you'll be looking. If you can talk if you're targeting Jones prepared to possibly the possibility that he'll miss -nificant time either now or after potential aggravation to injury, and if you have the deaths, go ahead and make a move but really He would prefer to include Jones at any deal at this point. So, those are your. Let's make a deal ten players that you can find real quick and. Real. Quick. Before we finish out the PODCAST was go ahead and look at week five NFL. Games and see what we have here. Right. So. Right now the Patriots. Patriots. Tampa. Bay is playing looser cargo bears. They are up ten to zero and Chicago has vase for six on the Tampa Bay forty six. So that should tell you how that's going. So if you did take the If, he ended up trying to bet. The under like I took a bet that the Chicago bears will be within six points. So I took the six on the Chicago bears it's not looking great right now we need some let's put our prayer hands up. Maybe you're biscuit coming in the game who knows right? We might not know maybe Matt Nagy might surprise coach firing that we just didn't expect to see because it's the second time he's been trubisky and since Bisky has been. benched technically, he did win a game with Nick foles Nick foles look good. He lost last week and this is not looking great. You know it's early second quarter and they are down ten. Oh and they're about to get the ball back to the buccaneers we have Jaguars Texans. That's GONNA. Be Interesting game just because of the storylines Texans fire their head coach we'll see what happens on all spectrums occur according to their offense. SEE WHAT CHANGES I'm still a fan of Jordan Atkins but I think he's still dealing with a nagging injury. We'll see what happens bengals versus Ravens the Bengals game is GonNa be fun to watch on Sunday for me just because I like to see just what exactly That ravens rushing attacks look like because the bengals don't have a very good rushing defense. Although they're passing defensive look pretty solid this far this year and I like to see what borough has to do against an a a defense strong although there this might not be the Best Joe Mixing game because they go down a few scores will have to throw the ball and get active in the passing game. Falcons Panthers is going to be hopefully a redemption story for all you goose egg Kalam really owners, and hopefully, if you own desire more, something will change right Robbie Anderson show right now. Mike Davis show right now teddy looks great but. I have the panthers winning this game, and if they control it by controlling the ball and keeping it away from Matt, Ryan in that explosive potential offense the Falcons then I see a lot of Robbie Anderson in the slot or not in the slot was you know it was lat routes in inbetween routes? and. Unfortunately, that might mean these amoral continue to be limited for the. Foreseeable future. The chiefs are at home against the raiders and the raiders. The chiefs right now. Dr., team. That's kind of clicking at the right time in this part of the season right? They're not fully there yet but they have offensively looked really strong even though I would say that, Clyde, ever lehrer non PR leagues has been a little bit disappointing since the first game but he is a rookie they might still be trying to work in. joss Jacobs is a guy who needs to have a bigger game but against the chiefs, if you go down a few scores, he might get schemed out. So be prepared for that, and if you have their wallet as might be a big game for him. cardinals at the jets. The as I Have more sales to say this the cardinals at the jets. I say the biggest game of the week, there's not too many of them. Obviously. But I think that. You know looking forward towards. A. Week Five Saints Appearance Against The chargers which is Monday night game might be the best game of the week and I'm not trying to be biased but the seems what it is. But without a doubt, that's the podcast for this week man how everybody enjoyed it as much as I did. Please rate review subscribe. 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The Kist & Solak Show #92: Who Are You Trading Up For?

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The Kist & Solak Show #92: Who Are You Trading Up For?

"Let's see again Benjamin. So lang. It's the kissed in Solex show, presented pine SP nation and bleeding great nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show this episode ninety two brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green Asian. I am your host Michael kissed. You could follow my work at bleeding relation dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K. I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin so lack follow his work at the draft network dot com. Follow him on Twitter at Benjamin Solex. That's SO L A K. Ben, how're you doing brother every day to be alive? Mike, you know, this all the good stuff as three days out. I I'm having a very very interesting week for me. It's holiday week for me. And so the church going on at the time suspect, quiet like very prayerful. And then also the NFL draft on Thursday. Vengeance on Friday, I have like midterms also next week as well. And so if I make it through this week, we'll never die. This is this if this'll be the most ridiculous week of all weeks and then as all pill from here. We're so close to being done with prognosticating in predicting what this NFL draft is going to look like as we ramp up towards that Ben or recording this on a Monday. This is released on a Tuesday morning. We're a couple agonizingly long days away from the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. We're gonna hit a range of topics today as we frantically tried to tie up. Loose ends and hit on any topics. We feel weeding give their proper due throughout the process here. Let's start with some official. Visit updates and this will be our last round respond. Gary defensive lineman. Michigan is an official. Visit. We've talked about him before we are not the biggest fans of selecting unfulfilled potential high in the draft Dexter Lawrence defensive tackle, Clemson is an official. Visit. Ben. And I do not like the fact that he's commonly mocked to the eagles at twenty five. He's sixty eighth on Ben's big board. He's fifty six on mine. Maybe he's a second round target. I feel better about that. And finally wide receiver. Deontay Johnson from Toledo isn't official. Visit. Johnson doesn't really fit the types of profiles. The eagles have brought in or official visits. No, not not really like when I looked at the different production profiles at put this up on beleaguered nation dot com, but the production profiles mixed with the slot production. So some of the analytics don't necessarily lineup even though I think he can play on the outside and a lot of the outside guys. They brought in had a lot of reps from the slot outside of nickel Harry. So there there's that mix on it. But he's a productive player. It is noteworthy though that twenty percent of the eagles visits have been wide receiver. It's been gaining some steam as possible pick at twenty five notably Peter King and Daniel Jeremiah have made a connection with Markey's Hollywood Brown from Oklahoma. Again. I wrote this offer bleeding relation dot com. Making the argument that the eagles could go a few different ways in terms of the role Brown or the others. They have brought in if they draft them could play. And I think it all comes down to the current role the slot role currently occupied by Nelson galore with that role gets filled by drafting a. Big body and gimme Sean and others more slot reps. That's one way the other way being drafted a guy like Brown and giving them more free releases from the slot, and I've gone over his slop production before, but I think it's pretty crazy that Brown only had eighty five snaps from that alignment now you have to consider the Oklahoma offense. Twenty one is basically their base personnel. They run a lot of sets where they don't have three wide receivers. But I health each chunk of Brown's production came from the slot including his eight of ten touchdowns. And also from that alignment, he had an absolutely absurd. Seven point four five yards per route run. That's coupon. Cours man that's top in the class. There's nobody within two point two yards of that. Ben nine yards per attempt yesterday. I every time he was running around out of the slot. Seven point seven five yards or picked up by the offense. Just crazy seven point four five. Now, I will say a couple things about the receiver position. And as we know fifteen years ago twenty years ago, whatever it was the slot position. Where you put your. Smaller shifty receivers. And then you're you know, you're outside boundary. Receivers will that's where you were putting your your bigger guys. You're has been contested catch situations than they were winning down the field and your slot receivers. They were the players who were they were. You know, staying in the short areas, they were the quick separate or so on and so forth. Is that still the case in today's NFL? When my argument would be no what is the value of lining up in the slot in the slot. You get the two way go, right? As we always talk about in the slot. You get the two-way way. Go instead of getting you know, when you're on a boundary receiver up against the sidelines. You're unlikely to break to the sideline if you do those rows will always just be in comebacks quick outs. Like, it's not gonna be a ton of complex stuff. So the slides where you really get that two way. Go. And so you guys who are better in vertical play as about on the vertical third with deep long speed. They go outside and the as you can maximize that two way go without running with physicality or with quickness, whatever it is. Then playing the slot for Philadelphia's offense Pacific -ly if you're going to play in. The slot for them number one gonna have to block year you're gonna have to come into line. You're gonna have to be able to move on his h Becker and half to be able to crack blocks or does. Well, number two. You're going to have to be able to hit like, you know, the three step five step RPO game NBA hit slants, but hate Carl's. Hey, quick outs. Because that's where ton of that. Stuff's going to be run the bang down pretty much those quick breakers. Those are going to be a heavy part of your responsibility and besides that it's deep overs. So it's not even like like again like the eagles are not running a high number of whip routes not running pave it routes running. A lot of auction house is not a huge part of their offense will you and they do have those things I don't want to reduce those but more so than a lot of other more traditional west coast. Offenses the eagles will are not asking their slot to do with ton of complex multi break route running stuff, and what you've seen with at least in the slides a lot of deep over stuff. And so to me, you know, we talk about the wanna get themselves a slot receiver. It's cool because they can go a couple. Of different ways that they can bring in the Hollywood Brown's bring in the Johnsons who's also like more of a speedster guy Johnson has a ton of returning experiences. Well, and he's the guy who is very allusive gray with the ball in his hands. But then they also bring in Kiel hairs Browns, and they can go with the big slot mold, and it's important to note that a lot of slot reps in his office are taken by the tight ends. And the titans are big slots. That's you're not shifty quick release Zakar that's guts, they win their leverage in size, those quick routes, obviously the seam and so- slot receiver brings to mind small shifty great route runner short areas. The eagles have a good healthy amount of that receivers. But it's not the whole kit and caboodle they have a lot more three level work from their slot. Receivers than also the blocking aspect than your traditional thought of the slot receivers that's important to remember when they're looking to address the position in the draft. What's interesting, Ben is I went through and I took out all the slot reps. Because if they draft a guy. Why you could say that Nelson aglow is probably going to be on the move. It makes a ton of sense to me. So if they do draft a guy out now understand to the eagles have often said that wide receivers one of the harder positions development takes the most time. So we might not necessarily be on the move. However, do spend hydride capital on it. We'll see how that goes. But if you take out Agla snaps you take out Tate snaps you take out Jordan Mathews, naps Kamar ache. And you know, those different guys. There are six hundred and ten slot reps left to be filled by someone in my opinion. If they draft the bigger guy, I think a lot of those go to Sean Jackson, they draft a smaller guy like marquees Brown. I think he gets a lot more slot reps than he did in college for the reasons I explained earlier now taking a look at what you wrote for the draft network dot com. You wrote a piece about three Nelson Agla replacements for the eagles. You went early middle and late in the first one. Of course, I absolutely love early. Devaux Samuel from South Carolina. Who's a very very good player. Top forty player on my board right up there with wide receiver too wide receiver three him and Kelvin Harmon, basically hugging. So that would be a great for me. And what I like about Samuel is the inside outside versatility that he gives you which is going to be a great thing for him in the middle rounds. You have Emmanuel hall one of the guys who ran into for threes from Missouri. If you said that he reminds you a lot of Agla we can dig into that in a second. But I mentioned the one that you had in the late rounds Dylan Mitchell from Oregon wide receiver who we really haven't talked about much probably more of an underneath guy, not necessarily the deep threat that you want. But I like what he does on the eighth routes. Ben those three yes. So I one of my stronger gifts of recent memory, Michael was when you share the Hollywood Brown rodeo earth that DeVos Samuel rotor will blurb whereas said less than he's not gonna make a pass fifty eight and it was like, well, well, guess who has pick fifty seven right? Listen, they miss out Hollywood at twenty five they can't take Hollywood at twenty five and they end up getting Devaux instead of fifty seven and as great gif of Tiger Woods, very suspenseful watching something offscreen, and he very slowly goes into a fist bump, and that's what it is. They missed Hollywood lucky IBO in fall backwards into that that makes it very happy. You know, it was running the four threes. Divas running into the four fours. How much difference is it don't really not. I think people ran like four four nine. He was like, hi four force. But he the way this also about sixty seventy pounds. Heavier to Hollywood's checking in at one young man is as a full on thick boy deebo Samuel well-built. Young fella. What we have is a player who's more consummate three level threat who is better in the intermediate areas because his ability to catch through contact visibility to play through contact on those contested situations. Deebo is surprisingly strong for a player his height. Obviously again returning experience. Great with the ball in his hands. It's interesting Samuel as much more. So the Aygul role than the galore type like Agassi? Four is very loosen. He's long leaner. Right. As Samuel is thick, and he's shorter is more compact a little bit more explosive on the role being able to play a lot outside being able to create with the ball in their hands to the point where they're worthy of gadget touches and to be that intermediate guy who can win without running. That's deebo Emmanuel hall for a long time. Watching hall reminds me of abuse jumps out to you from eagle or tape at USC it just how freely this guy moves right? Whenever you're watching a player. And he makes it look like the other guys are moving at eighty percent speed, right? Like, that's like a fool with pledges really easy nap for move. That's hall hall super loose. Just just there's no angle. He can't take. There's no cut. He can't make an his jumps and his forty yard time fun, but his jumps in reflected that really explosive player. Great flexibility halls got drops issues in in in the big way in the bad way in the. Yeah, you have seven maybe six fingers sorta away like it's just not great in terms of his cash Techni Howie addresses the football comfort doing civil issues. Dylan Mitchell, the Oregon kid, always Mitchell. The problem is that he sees the ball late. So you'll be watching him trackable down the field. And it's clear. The defense back will find it before him just to before him inputs Mitchell outside of position that being said Mitchell's a route runner, and as athlete really exciting. Again, a ball in his hand sort of player. Just get the guy touches shore and let him pick up more yards for you easy touches easier. That's Mitchell's going to be successful. So deal fits the role the best hall. It's the time of the best. And then Mitchell is a similar mold of your in terms of the build in terms of the physical ability. He's definitely a day three guy. You know? I think if Mitchell comes in I'm not sure he's wide receiver three over mccollum's right away on it means he's like a late option, but deebo in hall, both very much interest me as potential round to round three. And then if you can get hall around for that's huge but round to round three guys that would be replacing agw or in terms of his role in the offense. How he's deployed. I will say, you know, you brought up if they draft this guy who gets more. Lot reps. I would love to see. Also, get more slot wraps was on that we talked about in the in the beginning of the season. He actually the first two weeks of his availability week four week five against the titans in week four and the Vikings week five Jeffrey actually took a combined thirty three snaps out of the slot for the remaining sixteen remaining fifteen games that he played he then subsequently took seventy five snaps combined. So like a third of his snaps slot came in those first two games. And then after that, you know, he kind of had see ause numbers drop. I love see him move back into this life because I think his his his size and his quick ability to separate on the short rows makes a lot of sense there slut by committee. Hey, what do you think of this cop? I just thought of this. And I can't believe I haven't thought of it before it was a player. I really liked them last year's NFL draft class if I were to comp deebo Samuel VJ or right now went out more had I think more like true running back sort of like when you got the guy the ball behind line of scrimmage. It was like shoot. Kate can move. Yeah. On a he was a bit more like a gadget sort of a guy. I think deals bet around better natural catcher better job addressing coverage. It's cetera. But from a body type perspective, we have like five eleven to ten guys playing wide receiver and they're both deadly and space. So yeah, for sure that that's that's a that's a confident. I've seen before makes sense. Ben anything else to say about this wide receiver class the possibility. Let's talk about Hollywood a twenty five about what that means. Yeah. Let's do that. Because that's interesting to me. Tony pauline. By the way, saying that he doesn't believe that marquees Brown will even be there. So if the rentals did wanna target him, it might not even be at twenty five. It might have to be a trait up which is super fascinating to me and not necessarily my Cup of tea bend. What do you think? Very interesting a few things number one. I officially no longer thing became at caps. The first rider see Roth aboard because I mean, I'll put it to you this way. What what teams are picking a wide receiver? Baltimore Seattle right in that twenty one twenty two range one going Seattle interest me valid Baltimore hasn't had. Traditional experts ver I can't you when right? We're calling Michael crapshoot traditional cool. I've call him a bad axe. But that's just me. What about the fact that they're basically moving to the flex bone offense. And they're gonna need their Calvin Johnson on the outside not calling decay Metcalf, Calvin Johnson put that on me. I'm just saying body that can go Gifty ago. All I heard was decay Metcalf. Minimum counting Johnson. No. I mean, like, listen, I'd love to convince myself Greg Rahman image morning, where you're gonna do that all brave it when I see it. You know, what I mean to me, I think they're going to draft paras Campbell? But Lamar Paris Campbell out Collins on the same backfield and be like, let's get in freaky in the T-Bone. But like, I know Washington doesn't like decay. I don't think the Packers are gonna be willing to spend whole indicate. I don't think buffalo the giants aren't gonna draft the wide receiver. I don't think Buffalo's gonna take wide receiver in this class over defensive player they desperately need tough to find his spot. Meanwhile, we keep hearing so much about three guys. Hollywood Paris Campbell and not bother Highwood pairs Campbell and Asia Brown as guys who potentially surprise people getting into run Wallner in that area. I two receivers in the first round. I think maybe one of them is decay. But I'm not sold. It's the first one he's the first one the way I was like a month ago. Yeah. Number one Hollywood. Yes. Absolutely. Could be gone. I one hundred percent can see the the resume just taking Hollywood Brown makes sense to me. Baltimore absolutely makes sense to me. If Hollywood gets there and the eagles select him. I think Carson Wentz throws the ball. I season six hundred fifty times. Here's here's my thing. If you're going to draft Dowell, Scott or at forty nine overall last year when you have Akers in the building acquired, Sean Jackson free agent in via trade only to come back and take marquees Brown. Even if you're losing Nelson Agla, even if losing him you have Sean alshon and marquees as three outer Cevers, which all those guys are great in the twenty plus yard been in terms of pastimes like throwing down the field. All those guys are incredibly strong players. And now you have Zakar Dallas Qatar who can be your underneath guys. Like, they can be your stick movers. You don't have to get like you have no possession receiver between al-shabaab to Sean marquees. And that's fine. Because you have got it. They can be your possession guys. No problem. And then when I allows you to do that allows you to run your quick game. And you're running game. Concurrently at the same time in the hurry up. Right because you can run your quick passing game. Like, you're spread and tread. You can run out of twelve personnel and go four wide and just run your quick game hurts and gutter and then come at the next snap. Hurry up and be like a heavy twelve personnel. Run the football. You know what I'm saying? When I look at the way talent acquisition has gone. There's no reason to be reneging on her. So if you're adding another wide receiver after you already added to Sean, there's no way you're like, listen, we're gonna ease Carson back, and we're gonna stab. Nope. I don't draft running back. Get rid of all the running backs. Don't keep any master is pointless. Those six hundred fifty times if they drafted around wide receiver at all. It's very clearly indicating that this team is just going to want to their running game is going to be the quick game. And they're passing game is gonna be twenty plus yards down the field. And they're gonna go bananas number one. And number two, especially if it's Hollywood to me indicates that there that Zakar in Dallas Qatar are going to get one hundred targets each all of them six yards or less and every. Else getting thirty bucks targets. I think that's how I was on that offense. I mean, I put these questions in the article that I wrote up about the interest in the wide receiver position the questions that defense would have to ask themselves. If the eagles did in fact draft someone like Markey's Brown or another big body. Some of those questions include how do we deplore defense with Jackson outside Brown inside? How do we defend Bo Jackson and Brown in the slot? When they're just stretching. This seems like crazy persons does Jackson kicking inside reduce the amount of resources. We could use to stop the big boys outside. Do we have enough coverage on our roster that can match up with that many big weapons? Do we have anybody on a roster that can run with Markey's Brown? Sean jackson. I mean, the questions go on and on. And then can you bracket? Zakar? It's like what Ryan rain. So currently talking about a that doesn't exist. Right. They they Brown has not been selected yet. And so this might be known by Thursday. But what's exciting? Exactly, if you if you sit down, and you say, okay, they have Sean Jackson on one side of the ball and Markey's Brown and the other who here was to play middle field closed. Coverage nobody 'cause there's once there's one safety in the league why would trust to do that. And it's Earl Thomas and he's coming off injury. You don't want to go to the field close. And if you do to Sean Jackson, I believe led the league in our bridge cushioned because teams would play single high men have to cover Sean they were playing seven yards. All right. And so okay. So we're looking at potentially then a deep safety two corners eight off the ball eight yards off the ball than eight in the box. Ask any eagles fan. How that's gone for Jim Schwartz over the last two years because it sucks, right? You hate you hate it. Double moves then. But if that's gonna play office, your love, double moves, real fricking quake. But yeah to me then you have to middle the field open. You have to go to safeties. You can try to match quarters if you want, but you're leaving your seat your corner selling island. If one goes vertical corner has to take him. So unique guys run for threes. Because you have the Sean and you have marquees and the eagles are pretty good at dialing up quarters BUSTER shown a propensity for that last. Okay. So we're going midfield open. We don't wanna go quarters. We have to go cover to two safeties that we have a deep safety over Markey's Brown. We have a safety over to Jackson. They're seven of the box alive. Backer has covers that guard water. We do here. You know, what I mean, if you if you force a team in cover to Zakar it's gonna have every game twelve or sections eighty four yards a touchdown and the fancy community is gonna lose their minds like he's going to be the highest volume player in the history of the league. They're not ashamed of just feeding him when he gets a linebackers. They've done for years. So like, I. I'll be worried about the marquees Brown fit. Because obviously he's got the he's got the high floor because of the speed is a lot that things to worry about. But if you're gonna salvage them as a deep threat in that offense, it becomes very very difficult to run man coverage or single high safety against the eagles, which means teams half the go light in the box. And once you get teams light in the box. You can impose your on them. So that is the case for Marcus Brown, a player that Nian Ben or really high on. But then making the case for how he can fit this offense in the challenges. It will present a defense. We'll see how this unfolds on draft day when we come back here on the kissing Solex show episode ninety two on bleeding Gration. We're gonna talk about a potential falling edge that might interest the eagles in whatever we get into as sidebars. That's your next on the kissing Solex show, everybody Neil Patel, editor and chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. 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Some teams have taken him author board other teams say it's fine. They just have to take extra precautions. So then what are the chances that Montas sweat starts to slide right into the eagles range. And then maybe we can talk about some other players that were kind of looking at if they start to slide during drafting that the eagles might trade up folks, I think trade up is very possible rather than sitting at a trade upper trade back. I doubt that they sit there or preferred to sit there but trading for Montas. What is that a possibility? And essentially, we'll talk about the train up trade down thing in a second. Because I have a game for the you don't know about. Okay, reminding I might be missing. Remembering this? I want your help last year MAURICE Hurst, Michigan defense tackle goes into the combine enlarged heart in my memory of that process. That narrative we very quickly heard like in March heard like all right? He's going to fall down teams boards because of his heart. I don't understand why it took us so long to hear the Montas Westfalen downwards. I'm confused. Okay. With hearst. It was right away and mostly because he wasn't allowed to participate in the drills. The combine cleared Montas sweat to participate in the drill. So that was more immediate. But if they cleared him, right, then I don't think he sees the same type of fall as Hearst. Now. Again, this time of year it is smoke season teams could be saying off or board. We started to hear about latent Vander h late into the. Process that he had a neck issue. And he still got drafted pretty early in the first round. So you don't know what to believe when it comes to this. As we always say, it takes one and only one right? And that's why using this is done using the NFL draft results to support as evidence NFL draft narratives actually doesn't make any sense because literally one in ration- like people who complain about mock draft simulators in the same breath, go well dollars NFL draft. You Lilly complained about the exact same thing in my head because Terrell Emmons went top twenty one. We're we just like the stupidest happen that aren't mad process objectively until like monta swag going around one doesn't mean every team at around grade. You know, whatever that is it only takes one I expect there to be multiple like I've heard he might fall out of. I don't expect that because there are teams who for sweat. It's just a a monitoring thing. It's just you have to make sure your checking on his hard to measure the situation. Doesn't get any worse than address it accordingly. But there's no reason to expect it to get any worse. So it just needs to be monitored. It's not like he needs to be treated. They already have the devices in place to monitor it. They just have to do some extra things to make sure that it's closer to sweat at all times from what I've understood from what I've read about it. They've already got these systems in place for the most part until so it's elite athlete elite xc production. Great tape potential round pick. I struggle to believe for how desperately want starting edges that this guy gets out around one teens where I would expect him if he's around in Philadelphia circle if he's around in Philadelphia's just just like anywhere in striking distance, whatever range, they set for trade up. Yeah. I'm down. Absolutely on down. You kidding me? I wish nothing but health for months has sweat. I wish nothing but the bathroom, but all I need I need for twenty nineteen UNM likely. The eagles are gearing for Super Bowl run this year. Very clear from the roster building a healthy for one year. Great young immediately. I like he's an immediate contributer. Right. Exactly. And that's what the eagles desperately need at twenty five slash round is immediate contributer at a high impact position. That's what they haven't really gotten out of early draft picks, obviously, no round one pick last year. Dallas gutter backup is contributor. Derek barnett? Six axe falls off. They have the rookie who's really like come in like just solidified on taking over a starting role like Maddux Douglas, Saint Malo. It's all been like overtime in certain situations. Situationally which is usually the sign of a very good roster. And that's what the eagles have. But it'd be great to get an immediate contributer at high impact position to me like Montas wet. I could just by picking him as early as five two. He's around at seventeen eighteen let's do it to me. I expect to be one of the teams that's fine with sweat, and I expect them to be absolutely interested in going to go get him. If he circles in a range. So I was doing research on what it would take to trade up in what it was like for the eagles. I think there was a trade last year that was very similar to this. But if the eagles wanted to get to twenty two or. Twenty one that cost recently has been a third round selection somewhere in the nineties. So that to be some moving around in whatnot. Maybe they go a little bit higher than that. But some players that. I would argue the eagles would be looking for if they start to fall. I mean for me personally. I don't know if the eagles would do this. But for me, join a Williams John Taylor Cody for like any of those guys start to start to fall into the teens. I am getting on the phones you're talking about Brian burns. I'm seeing him mocked into the late teens that someone I'm extremely interested in for the eagles as well. Let's said I have all ago Brian brands applying I had not even thought of making to the eagles number one. I think it should be so early number two. I can't get that excited. I can't do that to myself and the not yet it like to be I need to I need that just happened on the day of. So I don't hopes up. I would be static as he's number three on my board. What is number four for you overall? Yeah. He's I mean, he's yeah. He's everything. He's a very good player. Can you imagine? 'cause I saw socks Daniel, Jeremiah. You look at the NFL dot com look around and he's like sixteen is fall into nineteen. I'm thinking peace there at eighteen men. Be aggressive. Go make a play. Go. Get yourself in a leap edge rusher with double sack potential. I am about it, obviously. And Oliver person that we talked about maybe even having a trade off for Christopher Wilkins. Because a lot of people think he won't be there at twenty five anymore. So there are a lot of different possibilities. That's why think a trade up is very likely the cost is fairly cheap. What a mid to late third round pick to move up from twenty five to around the to early twenties possibly even twenty obviously at to have dance partner. Other teams can't jump in front of you take your guide, but those players are much more enticing to me. If who I'm thinking is going to be there, the dearth there at twenty five is what it is unless we're cool with sitting and you know, drafting garner Johnson untold fine with that. But I also don't mind being real spending some capital move up and get a guy Ben any of the thoughts. On the possibility of trade up a trade down way think is more likely. Do we sit here if they trade down again for the second year in a row, I will be sad for the downloads mind at all because I'm not on the show for day. One for TI. No eagles texted. I won't be fine by me. Yes. I do. So I I'm Brian burns nothing. It's like it's very funny because every detracted for Ryan burns talks about his run defense, which like I don't care if you're really gonna rushing the passer output you out field the ad like somebody asked me once on Twitter. They were like, aren't you worried that when Brian Berg is on the field teams will just automatically call power that side and put a polar his direction run trances run split zone his way. And I was like if you telling me I can take a player and put him on the field, and I'll merely know the play call amick playside the best player in the league right on the with sixty percent accuracy. I know is run frontside. I went I win the. This is ideal him to do Jack. I know where the please go. But on right like people talk about his run defense. I don't know defensive line defensive coordinator in the league. Who cares less about his run defense front for than shorts? I mean, the demons tackles do a little bit the edges. Don't like it's Brandon grand pursue plays or we're just bathrobe. Like, it's not. Did you watch any defense? They care. Nope. Exactly. It's like I e it won't affect the at all. But I have if if then or not if I have Andrews I have two options for you in terms of what the eagles ended up doing on draft night. And I want you to pick between the two and their the include trade in trade downs. Gimme a little little blurb. As to why ready gay? I I they select decay Metcalf at eighteenth overall at the cost of trading away, a third or hug Brown twenty five whole whole that's a spicy one. That's a spicy Meatball? Decays my for. Teen overall player from not mistaken Markey's Brown is right around the fifties might be fifty one fifty two if I adding quarterbacks for that value for that big of a spread while my board and understanding the fit that we already talked about man, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go in trade up for decay. I'm gonna go and trade for decay. You get the speed that you've got from marquees ads this thing than table for eighty pounds. Heavier. I like all the ravens are going to draft like an I talked about. No Meg to the ravens. But it's something you see like the ravens aren't gonna take Metcalf to they need to speed receiver. Honey, I have news big men can ski randomly through three big banks goat. All right. The eagles. Hang Tai at twenty five just like Cleveland furrow or they move back into the top of the second round recouping afford and sledge chase win of Chatham Michigan. I think that's a little high for one of its for me like it in the fourth back. But what's your hit rate on a fourth rounder, you probably package that up with some of the force. It back into the third which is in Tyson. But just taking that static where it is hit writes about ten percent Cleland Feroz a guy feel much better about especially immediately, contributing really polished hands. I like him. I like a good deal more than you do. Yeah. I'm gonna go Cleveland feral take fair where are you big enough gap role? Where do I have Earl that's a good question. Hi. Top sixteen on as I at twenty three for me with quarterbacks included twenty two without quarterbacks. I mean, that's that's honestly like twenty five is a great spot for him. And I think it's a bit of a reach for windows at that spot based on my board because I have him forty six. I have been for all sixteen which I remember perfectly. They I'm sixteen great player. I mean, you're talking about a really good address or you can definitely so me on him in the teens to go way like have Christian Wilkins above clear. Infernal got Chris Wilkins thirteen. We did that little heretic. We did that on the whole SPN nation writers mock thing I made the case for filling everything told you might thirteen. I just do the math because I learned referral wasn't on your board and having global awoken is. We'll that's crazy math because thirteen typically is higher than twenty. I just learned for all on your board, sir. You saw the bordering are big board fight. We're just plugging shows now Christian Wilkins at twenty one over twenty one over all see traded away a fourth again to Seattle's pick or okay. Generally at twenty one overall trading fourth to Seattle's PEC. Oh, John Williams all day. Yeah. Give me the most polished pass protector in the draft. Give me that guy to be the future at tackle protect my quarterback for shirt, right? There's there's definitely a big enough gap there number one. I I mean, I like Wilkens there at that spot, but Joan Williams you bring him in. You don't have to coach him up or wait. Like, he's ready. Plug and play. Let's go let's do wits. The reason I struggle with that one a little bit and trade big. And you're gonna get you're going to get value back from big trade extras complaint reason, I the reason I framed that when that ways because it's twit trading up to twenty one to get a guy was gonna take forty percent of the snaps this season for trading wanted to get a guy's gonna take. Jason Peter stuck eighty percent of the snaps so twenty percent for general use. And so it's trading the same amount to get to the same pick for has many snaps. Dough care literally don't care 'cause you've answered you've answered a year early. And there's your emergency plan with Peterson. I am not counting on to even get eighty percent of this naps this year another year another older that really really concerns me is not like he's a thirty ruled that's going through the same thing. You just getting progressively older. And I love Peter's, but give me bodyguard point. Oh, Tony Williams. One of the smartest players in the draft. One of the best prep players in the draft. Pair him with Stauton goodness. As dog good football player. Ni-? I n last at least I have you. Do you hear me? Do you agree? Would you do the same? I'm like gun my head neither just stay coward. But now, I would I have difference between Joan and we'll on my board is much larger than your difference. I knew that because I've seen aboard previously as we discussed. Like, I have at eleven I woke at twenty six even close for me Joan everyday of the week. I thought to be more challenging for you. But you are also correct. So while than any other scenarios last one traits. This is the first picture the eagles. I wanted all skills now situations all trenches. And so if you wanna go a scenario a Mr. early twenty-five deebo Samuel at fifty three Daryl Henderson fifty seven scenario. Be Cody four twenty five Bama edge Christian Miller at fifty three. Arizona state has tackle Ronel renovated seven. Oh, man. You're gonna make me reach on rent for the rest of it. But I ran man you wouldn't take for my board. It is like I'm okay with Ren are not that high on them. I think that's a bit of a reach for where I'm at. But the value gift from Cody Ford at twenty five and the value gift for Christian Miller, I'm gonna have to go with that at more premium positions. With that change four to Dillard, change four to Dillard. One of the heart one of the harder. You know, saying goodbye to Sears saying about diva that easy? I gotta make little harder on you. Now. Here's the interesting thing. Right. Dillard is a top twenty player for me. And I just talked with Brandon thorn great year, the interest special number two, and we talked about Dillard, and we said he's going to need a situation with an offense of line coach that has a history of developing players stout. Lynn, of course, long long history in college of developing players, that's one of his strengths. So that fit makes a ton of sense for me four Dillard, I feel a lot better about Dillard, if he goes to a situation like that. So that part is interesting. But yet gimme Adderley give me depot give. Yeah. Give me. Oh, yeah. That once cutting for left your Gratien. Yeah. I mean, I have him so much higher than Dillard and DiBa was higher for me than Miller at the ED's position. What was the third one that you Durell Henderson? I mean, give give me a play making running back as well. Which is nice over Renault Ren all take that. I'm doing I'm doing the same thing. I did last year on his time, by the way, which I'm slowly talking myself into the fact of the aren't gonna take a running back at all did exactly thing last year. And did they take running back? No, they did not like I wouldn't shock me. And they just added some more like that's kind of what they do in with the such low number of valuable running backs that I really see like making a meaningful contribution like they're fun fits their fun, compliments and all that stuff. But this class doesn't have a complete back. It's got a Josh Jacob service for Peter King said that the eagles are interested in Josh Jacobs in the twenty four to twenty seven range, and I would just like to say, I say, that fact night said another fact and. You can choose whether or not they're related. Okay. So fact, one Peter King said of the Josh shake the twenty four twenty seven range along with the colts in the Texans fact to Peter King got two picks correctness mock draft last year, I got seven so we should be deferring to you Benjamin. So that was that was that was not supposed to be the takeaway here does not supposed to be take away. That's what I inferred. You did not you did not imply, but I'm taking it to that level. Because I see what you're saying the draft is entirely different beast. Of course, I mean teams are going to like multiple players. Just kinda help us thing works. I like a lot of players. I would have interest in frigging Jay stern burger if you like the fourth rounded I've received so many questions about the drafting no fan. I can't even tell you. Everybody wants to go to draft fan which like it's the log art in here for it. I just know they're not I put the mock draft out with no offense as the round one selection for the eagles along with the the the meme, let's let's start a dialogue. Let's open a dial, right. And a lot of people like that, man. Like it as teams get smaller in their nickel sets the eagles, get bigger and bigger in there. Just gonna pound the crap out of you with these super than you want to give you a baseline be the big fan like it man big body. Like that man, it it makes sense. I'm just saying don't rule it out the NFL draft is decadent and depraved Ben that his going to do it for all of our thank God, all of our pre-draft shows here on the kissing Solex show will have more content coming your way. Then when last time before the draft starts say goodbye to the gentle listeners as you are whisked away to Nashville by thank you for listening to them. So I show him be radio. We'd appreciate you coming by. If you're looking for more draft content while there's nowhere to go. 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"Now. You are now locked in to the dodgers podcast. WASHCO. Dodgers podcast I'm your host Neal Malig. No. Joining me today is the man who not for health reasons or against his will enjoyable eats Tofu Tacos what's up Josh? Did it on how good Tofu can be used stop hating on Tokyo you're discussing the other person we have on the show today is hopefully someone who does not eat tofu tacos Adam was about. J- I was vegetarian for a year I lived with a Vegan for five years and I hate Tofu. So yeah, Did you have an Air Fryer in that time I feel like the air fryer really does does a good job with Tofu. This interesting. I can see the argument, but you're wrong and that's all there is to it. The question is Adam do you hate Tofu because of a past? That you WANNA forget or do you hate to you hate it that whole time you did? Galt conquer. All right. I'm just asking these things to be answered. The listeners need to know. Tofu. Neil. Started trying to turn it on me like it's some sort of deep Menem like thing that's going on with me that I don't like a fucking air I mean. You seem to know scarred a little scarred little. You know. You had a history with it. I have no history with it. To Bat valid question you have no history with an audio you don't like it I mean you know I might take a nibble here there Allah now like you Mr. Strict. Vegetarian for a year. So vegan excuse me respect Yeah. All right. Listen not a fan of Tofu. Not. A fan of Tofu only person FANTOMAS PODCAST has bad takes. So it makes sense Let's let's about football gentlemen. Bus. Ie will football watson football I feel like we always victory lap. So let's let's continue the trend that started victory laps, Adam you have a victory lap from week five that you feel really good about you want to get some exercise out on their. I've got a one feel really good about, but I got like four five others. There's GonNa be a bit. You take victory laps like no other man man this what we're here for like come on I just I literally only record for the hour these first couple of minutes where I just get to talk. Bow It was right. So, Hey, guys like brandin cooks breakout week. I mean if chased claimable pool doesn't catch four touchdowns I'm getting a Brandin cooks number one week right after it Oh bj number one week to just like completely polarise my season perfectly. But we just barely missed brandin cooks wide receiver three, NPR I mean Adam. Sealand is the wide receiver four also phenomenal I think he's wide receiver two on the season so far. So that's just crushing it and then a over at running back miles sanders finally really hit hard this week and chase edmunds who I just I drafted a ton of investor all even though I was pretty on Kenyan drake at a bunch of him as well. you know chase Edmunds shown that he might be the better back their overall at last week was the runningback seven and I think that's phenomenal and I know he can continue to produce like that I mean he's going to be huge for those. This best ball teams facts to chase edmunds man the man of the hour the man of the hour we will talk about some chase. Don't transition away 'cause then we got to come to the quarterback position guys and I Kinda WanNa let you try and take a Derek Carr victory lap but you don't get to. You get to is because couple years back. It might have even just been last season but I remember Beagle, debate, we all had about Derek Carr. Little quarterback named Jared Goff and just constantly. Being told that Jared Goff's trash and you know Derek Carr just finally needs is opportunity in he's getting it and last week he used fantastic I mean Derek Carr, qbe eight It's like his ceiling is that that's awesome and then Jared Goff. Finished just ahead of him QB seven. checkoffs to Cuba ten on the season guns I don't know if you're aware but a take note and take notice 'cause. He's crushing it I mean, that's fine. Let let me let me make a correction for you. We do not debate jared Goff and Derek Carr last year who is Jared Goff and Sam Darnold which way worse? Way Worse, but Derek Carr. was in that debate as well. When he was in the debate, you'd is hated him. This specific argument was you in Josh Fighting Back and forth about Sam Darnold and Derek Gov. That was not their car was a third man in that debate regardless the whole debate around Derek cars that he's he's just a high end qb to occasionally he has a big weekend is still not as good as jared Goff but like he you know he can be okay to sometimes. This is facts listen I'm GonNa let you you take your victory laps. I don't like to trip people when they're taking lap. So I will let you take your lab. You took it. I'M GONNA jump in here because you mentioned Eric Ours actually like this is you have the right to do at this point. I'm just GONNA victory lap on raiders period as a team because Derek Carr top ten, henry rugs tap ten Nelson Agar top twenty craziness Josh Jacob I. Don't even know where he finished already finish let's check really quick Josh Jacobs top five top five Darren Waller Darren Waller top five I just eh top five top five top ten top ten top twenty. It's all in one week. As in one week folks as in one week. The raiders offense his firing like crazy out here. I'm not even not even GonNa sit here and like I seen this coming especially against the chiefs like I didn't. I didn't expect this offensive explosion in this week after down week last week out I was bummed out. Our down and depressed about it but I mean just overall this team has been. I like to say this you guys think I'm a homer already you think I'm drinking the Kool aid week after week but I felt a little corner being turned in that game. Yesterday I felt a little corner turned guys little healthier dangerous starting to row. John Gruden's calling the right stuff out here. I feel like the raiders offense can be trusted I i. think it'd be trusted going forward and taking victory laps and how Henry Rugs. How about Harry Houck innocent I seen all the jokes on twitter I see all the fucking jokes. Oh, raiders took rugs I. At all these other receivers, it's the biggest joke ever look man the guy was healthy and you're talking shit for what? What's the point? The raiders out here calling the right plays they're not just making them a little gadget guy rugs looked great in that game. If you wash the game fucked numbers if you watch the game, you know Russell great as receiver. So I'm excited about my raiders in fantasy end in real life. What crazy what a crazy life I live? That's my victory laboratories. Josh you get to take one now since you just sat there quietly. Humorous This jerk off nastiness that is already. Is throwing you off right. We started with Tofu and Jared Goff this episode. Toby. Better than Jared Goff, Derek cars, the Tofu quarterbacks. How dare you? So. Disrespectful. Because it's pretty. No, not not a chance not a chance. Not a chance that is a question for twitter. Is Aimed Derek cars ahead of Jared Goff. Say what it again Josh said against what are you even looking at? No, he's not. Only, Derek cars at twenty three point four, eight in jared. Goff's at twenty, two point three. Okay you're looking at it from last week or something 'cause that's no. All all season. I okay like. There's a chance that I'm wrong here and I just don't see what it is I don't think. I am but there's a chance nearly the average listener point difference per game. I mean a could also just be the yeah. It's the site scoring probably if different sides whatever regardless they're very close. It's weird what they're doing with golf because he's he's he plan really well like they he's thrown over he's throne nine yards per attempt, but he's also just not knowing very much. Which is, which is very different than what they used to do with him. So I don't know it's interesting what they're doing and like Robert Woods in Cooper Cup are dying for. Their getting nothing like they're they're not doing bad PR. But they're down, they're down so far in air yards like the the rams are just not throwing the ball very much. the honestly they just they haven't been forced to you. I. Mean outside of the shootout with the bills are winning games pretty easily and the I mean that being said that that's just Kinda that run the pass rates, shifting that direction I. Think it'll be interesting when they play more competitive games later on in the season to see if gough can produce those sort of games gross as well He. He's a great start this week. That's for Damn. Sure. He is going to be a great start this week against the phone or at the plant for nine. Forty nine dollars. Yeah, probably. Tear it up, tear time game though who knows it has true. Josh even victory laps or you're discussing. Decay metcalf decay metcalf one of US had decay metcalf wide receiver seven coming into the season and that. That is looking like it is not hot enough. It doesn't offset having. Dj. More four g shut your mouth. This is cancelling tons one victory lap you're going to trip him back with. Came Metcalf. That's that's the only name we're talking about right now decay metcalf. What is it man I mean? Like there, there was weeks where people would ask Tilakar decay might have both voice start at this point. Do you ever say Tyler Lockett or do you say both or how were you this? While decay, metcalf is getting so much more volume is the not. Yeah. So so I think I think you have to go with. You have to go with meg half at least targets. He's getting a lot more volume in his way up there in air yards. So Tyler, Lockett can always drop a a big game but I feel like a calf is the safer bet do. You know I've felt like that question was lock it forever until that game on Sunday night I don't know what it was, but just watching them come down to like the last drive of the game and the last plays the game and watching Russell Wilson just focus in on metcalfe. kindest. Showed you the type of player that he is that like he is kind of that next level guy where he has a lead, you know top five in the league ceiling and I think For me. That question was always lock it. And I think it is shifting towards metcalf I don't know if it'll be that went the end of the season I think from target share perspective lock it could still targeting the rest of the way but metcalfe I mean he's that dude I just just watching like the way in which at the end of the game he was going to take over. I. Mean. That's the type of stuff that you see from stars. So you know I, think I think this is more or less his breakout performance in the NFL. Yeah I mean look at if you look at. Weeks one through five peop- PR literally number four he's is d Andre, Hopkins which is crazy to some people right away way his new team and everything. But Adam Phelan Calvin. Really who is seen it up and Kinda slow down a little bit points but you know he's been ribbon up all year and then decay calf right? Right right above tyreek Hill. Robot. He'll even weirder than than him being there is Robbie entertaining six ashes crazy but it is what it is man. We talked a lot about Robbie last week. So somebody thought DJ Moore's name should be there it's not now just reminder again, just a reminder. So right now I just looked it up metcalf lock it both have a twenty four percent target share but metcalf is getting forty two percent of the teams air yards to block. It's twenty two percent. Oh. Yeah. By far and honestly like. If they keep letting Russ Cook to the level they have been, and just he's airing the ball counseling than, yeah. Metcalf probably won't produce Lockett but if the season shifts get into the winter months and they start running them all more in having a bit more conservative offense. I think you're GONNA see lock it ended up having the larger target share. where. Both about the sorry Neil. Did, you see Chris Carson's line this week? It was like Ena. Reasons seven targets like it used to be twenty three carries and three targets on the crazy thing is he produced on that as well. So it's a it's interesting game flows going to dictate a lot of a lot of that but I think that ultimately with what we've seen from the seahawks so far they definitely have shown a dramatic shift in the way that they're calling calling the games and I I mean I don't know if that's GonNa stay. Proud. Whole season but it definitely seems that this point that's used to and and for what it's worth both receivers metcalf and inside the top ten right now pr scorn. So either one man you got you got you know congrats on either player in this point in the season. So Yeah you came out of great victory lap Josh Great Meiji Latman let's move on to some breaking news breaking news four today right before the podcast went live for. Levian. Bell released by the New York jets. Now, nothing surprises with New York jets. They are a train wreck. If there ever is one a lot of people are asking questions like why wasn't Adam gays release instead of Lebanon Bell you know what? The Hell is this team doing Le Vian Belot happy. You know on twitter don't the peace sign up or whatever it was. He was excited the EMOJI put up there we have no clue what's going to happen here I mean do you do either one of you have six cents an inclination? Do you think about waivers or do you think he will go through errors and then get picked up? I think he probably goes through waivers gets picked up It just seems like the tendency for these vets that being said I mean, it's like the best case scenario rebel from fantasy perspective. I mean I thought he was dead and big part of that was just that Adam Gates offense but him escaping out of there I mean we've seen from Bobby Anderson another example of players. Year after year getting out of an atom gates offense and looking fantastic. So I'm not gonNA write beloff and I had already written him off. So it's Kinda interesting that. A coaching change could make that much of an influence. If Josh agrees with me remember everything he said coming into this season about coaching not mattering and it all being a player talent and just throw it out the window. Go. Ahead Josh. It's Adam Gaze is clearly that guy on the bottom that actually sucks so bad that he can Mason Rudolph a team. But Littered for net moving and doing so far nothing with the bucks makes me nervous about other running backs giving teams. Is there a team that he go to Josh that would get you excited? Or at this point, is it like you know it's it's you know whatever team he goes to. They have a guy that the kind of feels their guy and he's just gonNA share workload and you don't know how that's not me. Basically this will I'm asking you is where Levy Bella signs do you think you'll be more excited for Lebanon Bell more concerned about the running back who was already there? I think there's there's definitely what if he went to the rams that's probably not going to happen because he's expensive but they don't seem to have a guy that they're settled on. And then you know the bears seem like just a a place that has a vacancy. And There are definitely places road. excited. Yeah. Adam is there anywhere in particular that comes to mind instantly for you that you're like that team you think has a good shot taking 'em in and mattering. Obviously, Tampa pay would be. With us for that would be the place that he would probably have the most success of potential actions that being said, I mean it. It's the Year of the attrition of players like eventually a team is going to need a running back. He's going to end up somewhere. It's GonNa Happen. So for me, it's just a matter of time before he gets a bunch of touches I mean really like as far as teams that could use running back mean he should be going to try. Like really. Had Out these rookie options you know Adrian Peterson Brandon, Bell Fad that old backfield I dunno, I mean. You like you said there's a lot of places that look solidified but a ton of places look solidified and so you know an Adrian Peterson Lulls Hallam comes then and that's about. So he goes somewhere with what we have is perceived starters are perceived than talent don't be surprised if bell steals touches like I, I won't be yeah. You gotTA assume if he. Gets through waivers that he's GonNa sign somewhere cheap and you would think it's I would think it's a contender but I mean Y- There's no certainty in this game but you know the rams are an option if it's cheap because obviously they didn't WanNa pay a girl you're like that I would love for the colts replaces Jonathan Taylor guy known skin There's. He's I mean there are some interesting spots at their. These, these are actually fun things me I like when this happens I mean the question is is, do we care about anything on the jets that this changes like do we care about our running back there now or do we still one part of this offense at all like is open up anything for you guys in terms of anyone there wire receiver anything. No I feel like Jamison, crowder was is already sort of doing some kind of magic trick. Really though like. Yeah Yeah. If if players leave Adam gays and become better like Jamison crowder as a superhero as facts. Yeah. I like this concept man we'll. We'll. Obviously, we don't care about the jets and we don't really care who who takes his place but where he goes, it's really fun. I don't think anybody will take him on waivers just because I believe they're going to like millions and millions of they do but where he signs after I'm really intrigued to see if he goes to a contender or if he doesn't care where he goes, he's just going for like you know to play. so it'll be it'll be fun to see There are some pretty good options if you guys had to guest, you think it'd be more obvious option or do you think we'll be surprised Guests the two teams, the jump to mind, and you're not gonna like one once the chargers. And the other is as unlikely as it seems, it's probably the bears. Three Cohen I don't know how much they trust Montgomery is like a true workhorse, the news in Patterson. But like I could see them adding to that backfield. I. Don't know I mean like I said before there's so many injuries out there that like. I could see a lot of different teams thinking that they need the. Depths like like a team who who has a running back who's had one good week like Joe Mixon Harrison. We can use some Josh you don't. Know Joshua slander. On it that way. Yeah. Any anyway point being levy bells released. This is big news. It's exciting because like you said, a lot of people did right off Levian bell some of it was just because they thought you know he's lost at this point, but a lot of it was the jet. So it'll be fun to see if I mean there's for me I feel like why doubt the guy like why go crazy in denial that he could. Bounce back hard here like. There's older backs doing it. He's done before if he gets in the right situation, it's it's believable. So I think if you could buy him cheaper now bio, if you have them just hold it happens But yeah, I'm not doubt about this at all in any way shape or form. I'm not one of the guys who say he's finished and you know it's it's over forum. So I'm excited to see where he dropped always this season drama to spice things up a little bit. So now it'll be see how it plays out other big news though besides the sign in here was injuries this we again. We keep having to touch on these each weekend. It sucks but. The biggest one and the and the thing that obviously you know got a lot of people bummed out last week was that Prescott. You know done for the season Aleatory -able he he was clearly upset when it happened who wouldn't be and then you know his seems like he's in good spirits and and we all feel like everyone should be happy for Dacca I'm sure he's GonNa get healthy quick balanced back and everything is sucks the whole contract. Thank you will keep bringing up. is is garbage, but it's for him. It sucks for the cowboys years showing a sugarcoat in Africa Oh, this is great for the cowboys which I've seen people try to do as well but just generally it sucks but I have no doubt that he'll bounce back and be great and be fine but it but it is a. You know a big hit teams right because there's a lot of people who drafted back. Or drafted him to be their guy and carry their team in super flex lease and all these things, and then this happens I'm kind of curious though before we talk about his backup and all that kind of stuff do does how much does this change the wide receivers in Dallas for you guys? They're super talented they're going to need them to win, Games. Adam does this like is this a severe hit? If you have one of these is and don't just say because you see lamb is this gonna be a big deal to you? It is it is not going to be a big deal They are playing at an above fish like the way that they've played to the first four or five weeks was just so beyond what even in average performance would be that I think it's definitely gonNA. Come back down to Earth but you know you said not to get into what that could mean but I I think Andy Don's going to support those guys they do. Okay. So you do think that he can and I knew your doctor Fan before this season. So I mean, if anybody believes that any, Dalton should be fine with his group to. Oh I mean, I'll I'll get super bowl them mean. If you're in any sort of two quarterback or Super Flex League I. Think you should be spending as much waiver money as you think you need to on Andy. Dalton. Has top. Top twelve qb potential throughout the rest of the season. With those playmakers and even what he's done prior like if you go back and look at Andy Dalton seasons, this guy can throw a ton of touchdowns he. Is Inefficient quarterback, and he also uses his legs a ton in the red zone. So for me Andy Johns Nice Guida, just be adding the super deep super flex to qb leagues. I. Don't know. I think it offers a ton of potential upside and I don't think a lot of people are. Really seeing the potential. Yeah, he's he's definitely going to be a be ad. And like you said, you weren't a great deal of your or hall. Correct. Yeah, I mean into quarterback in super of exit I mean, we're talking just one quarterback whatever you of anybody all week to week and be able to you know get spot start some not as concerned in leagues like that to be spending up for a guy that I. Think's GonNa Start the rest of the year but you know in in any sort of two cubes, Super Flex or God forbid. If he's out there dynasty like you need. You need own Andy Dalton Fisher that's a good point to to make the here. So people know what we're talking about here did the difference Josh do you see any big swings here? Any big changes because of this or do you think they just stay with the status quo who's been good will continue to be good in a not much change dollars. But if Andy Dalton comes in and plays anywhere near the level, the deck was playing than than wide receivers officially make quarterbacks. At arguments over this guy's lying this guy's always looking. Sadistically. I think I'M GONNA, go, ahead, and give. Green. Hilarious because he's doing a hell of a lot without him. You lost me there. Maybe maybe you've got a point but I don't. I don't understand. has done nothing without Andy Dalton throwing hoople. Giving Aj. Green. Credit right now for anything just feels dirty. It's super gross. He's a great career but interest destroyed him and the only time that he was good. He was with Andy Dalton. So it goes both ways. You know Andy, domes order back. He's. He's thrown for thirty touchdowns in a season before you know multiple twenty five plus touchdown seasons like. personally I. Think. He has the potential to. Have, a high floor weekly with some spike weeks in there. Kinda performance. It does because he has fantastic wide receivers in Dallas the best. Josh is GonNa stay on this wire receiver thing Adam reminder what you say. It's man. Coach. Doesn't matter either. Coaching doesn't matter why receivers do Adam. It again, this is another one of the story lines. I. Guess it unfortunate storyline that we have to you know because it means Dak hurt but it's going to be another you know. Interesting storyline to follow like I. Again, these receivers are so good that it's hard to imagine like. Anyone. Halfway capable messing this up. You know what I mean like any Dalton seems like he has to be. Above the level that you would require to make these guys continue to roll that make sense in any way like he's run to you know sufficient offenses has whole career basically so like to think that he couldn't handle. Panin Zeke. The Ball, a million times a game, and then just throwing good pass guys seems hard to believe I mean. So yeah, I'm with you I. Don't I don't really care who makes good here I just feel like this team shouldn't take dramatic setback, but I'm not going to pretend like he's GonNa put up numbers or nothing but I feel like if you have virus Uber's you like panic or anything because of this So yeah is this is just you can just between you two right here. This is the point of contention. You guys are fighting over Andy. Dalton alternate now. I've maybe maybe we will get really lucky and Andy Dalton will be bad and people will people will be off CD lamb by the end of the season because that'll be screaming by. There's a lot of things here, and then of course you gonNa have the people who say, Oh, do so good and why give back Debbie contract and that's what I don't want to get to that point I don't want the conversations to get to. So there is a point there that I really don't want to cross other than Dak Prescott can hurt Dobbin cook her We're kind of used to this teams at this point. Who Draft Alvin Cook No to get ups adoption cook. So everyone who had domin cook should have one of his backups. If you don't shame on, you is point like I don't have to tell you why is this is kind of what happens unfortunately without confirmation bias over you're talking about draft and handcuffs. Cool. I. Didn't say you had to drive to hang them to say if you don't have one at this is your fault. You should have it. You don't think you should have that goes back up I mean come on man. Not at all I don't think stoop drafting. So stupid that's so completely limits your upside. Why are you drafting backup? So Dome I the logic. I guarantee on every single team based confirmation by on every single team that you've drafted you've dropped players ready row. You've already dropped him. We already dropping. So if you drag it so if you draft. Players can be Mike Davis or those players James Evanston or other players that you can hit on as opposed to just having Alexander Madison sitting on your bench to then potentially be able to get a spot start for him for one week. NOT WITH IT I dress I had my Davis on my team. Before the season started, I didn't need to fight with them. I didn't have to fight for on the mad bucks. I just had them didn't matter to me man by I didn't even have Christian McCaffrey. So. Didn't matter like to me. It's worth it. When you have deep rosters man, there's no reason for these guys not to be on your team says matter like if your boss ten team league or something like that who who cares I mean? It's pointless I even when I talk fast tomatoes leaves. Daily opposite. Disagree you WANNA own a lot more assets on your bench because those guys can. Disagree. Josh what are you? What are your feelings on this man? Feel like there's a bigger conversation about running back Anka's the don't panel and how often. But I also feel like we've seen Alexander Madison be fairly good and even Mike Boone has been decent. So. I don't know. I think I think Delvin Cook might. Might be one of the exceptions to the rule you probably do get what you want out of his backups. Yeah I I just don't see the point like if you're talking about guys like we have seen done dual like you said, Mike, Boone Alexander Madison Tony Pollard like to pretend that these aren't high upside guys like does he have make sense to me like? Not. High. Upside. Play because the upside is if you're if you're running back at thirty if you don't have cook if dowd into your should take him no, I'm you should take now listen. This is. Eighty four percent of the whatever you don't have Alvin Cook. And you draft Madison has how is that different man? Okay, here's here's what's different. It's Game Theory. You're spending two roster spots on what could only ever be one starter in your lineup. So weekly the maximum you can get from those two spots that you're spending on your roster is the production of one player. If you use that other roster spot theoretically any other backup they have the same opportunity to gain touches from an injury like this one because injuries are this like I guess if you just think that Delvin Cook injury waiting to happen then yes. Sure. Just take Alexander Madison on the team as well. But if that's how you feel you shouldn't be drafting Cook Anyway 'cause you think he's probably GonNa get injured disagree with that Man I. Disagree I'm not talking about any backup in the league I'm talking about Dowling Cook a guy that I believe is going to get hurt. So. Of course you drafting Melvin Cook because because he's amazing when he plays. Out For the whole year on the possibility of maybe getting his backup leader in the draft, which means that you have to try and reach past. ADP to get a guy who again is only going to ever start in a situation where you've already lost your best player as opposed to a situation where you can have literally any of the other backups that have hit this. Year at Jerick McKinnon on Mike Davis James Robinson all these guys who were going very late and Drass you would've lost out on the opportunity to get any of them. It's just a pure game theory thing. Yeah. I I don't agree with it. I agree with it in general like if you're saying like Oh devante booker and Oakland in Las Vegas I, don't draft him over. An upside I get that but I'm not certain guys. Why see hurt every year for Gamer to affect during some potential like you know when you talk to guys doctors, physical therapists, all these guys say this guy has some kind of you know soft tissue issue or this issue or that issue like, yeah these break it hurt every year like this is what it is like. something. You deal with when you draft I guy I'm okay we're taking their backup I. think it isn't high I, think it is high upside. So I'm going to disagree with you on it. I really don't care what else you got to say about it That's where I'm at. So like drafting off tiger at least backups like Pat I'm like Todd Gurley even so I wasn't. Tiger these injured all the time too. It's the same logic. Draft girly and I didn't care for Tiger Lilies offense I don't care about any of it unless it's a wonder why receivers I wasn't. That's that's Ito. Smith has had opportunities and. He has had some games but like I don't think he'd Oh Smith has the upside the Alexander Madison House. especially, that offense leapt. Runs dude into the ground like again I'm not saying anything against Alexander Madison or drafting of later anything again, it's just a game theory argument gun drafting a player who is a backup to a player that you already have i. think it limits your upside. I think in many it may. But I think there are exclusive cases where I, I'm going to do it like I said, you don't have to do it. You don't have to grow at doing it but I do feel like when you draft certain guy if you feel like he may get injured because that's what has happened in the past or because he's getting older, whatever you're feeling is on it if you. Feel like he has a very, very talented backup or an offense that has totally used that backup and a high level when I went out for whatever reason I feel like there's value there and they should be drafted whether they're on your team or not talking about just because on your team I will drop Alexander Radison whether I had done cook or not. I really don't care I feel like he's a good. It's a good opportunity for me to be a part of Madisonville Again, I'm not drafting every single running backs backup or handcuff and every running back on my team. But when there are certainly running backs and they go down and they're a huge part of their offense I don't believe like many do like hey. Christian McCaffrey gets hurt Mike David's is irrelevant I don't agree with that I think is gonNA matter after that and he did. So I'm willing to bet on. I, think that is a high upside. So I don't see how there's a argument is not hindsight play So yeah, I'm going to agree on there's no problem with Dad's here for Buddy So Yeah Dobbin cooks hurt hopefully you have madison or boone I like Boone even too. So I'm I'm GonNa either one kyle and got her left the game which brought in the Alex Smith era which made everybody. Happy. I don't think do care much about the quarterbacks there in Washington as a matter until you guys. They matter as a super flex villain. Yeah. I just feel I just hate for Terri maclaurin man, this is killing me. I decided to just had a quarterback. I don't see how these guys are really better than doing Haskins at this point but I guess you know Kyle a fair chance he got hurt and Alex Smith clearly is. Back from. Dramatic traumatic stuff here. But and hope hope it works like whoever they try out there. But I don't know if Kyle we back next week or not. If they're sneaky Brawley Alex Smith. Because that's who they like and that's who he's back and we'll see but Yeah I I agree with you, Josh Super Flexes the only Real Matter there Deonte Johnson left the game again. This was a back issue I believe. So. Are we do? We know at the John Soon like as far as like? I was I was super high on deonte Johnson coming into this Eden Sir. We like super back off on this guy now at this point. I. Mean it's Week Five. He's got a nagging back injury thing. You know they'll probably have a couple of weeks before you feel comfortable. You know it I think he's one of those guys that you have to watch produce where you can put a Mac your lineup. Where we still with them now but I think you'll probably produce again throughout the season here I mean. Before he was struggling with injury, you is getting like a thirty five percent target share all. I definitely can see at shifting back to him when you salty. MARRIED HR hurt his ankle about it's going to be a big deal and the other. Guy. Sammy Watkins Aj Green both got hurt. Do we care about wanted semi walk into Your Guy Adam? I mean we a heavily invested either one of these guys are. I mean, I think we should care about Sammy Watkins. He's been doing great this year so far but the reason we care because it just opens up the opportunity for guys that. You know in that offense could win more explosive. It'll be interesting to see how many everyone kind of predicted as being McColl, Hartman. But they've given her Amundsen a lot of runs so it'll be interesting to see with. Watkins missing time. Into, that role. I agree. All right. That's it for the injuries. We we we've talked about the injury covered the Lebanon Bell release. We've covered victory laps. Let's jump over to trust issues. The first one we have here is a guy who was the mana the day chase cable. So the question, we have here the roster trust issue that we're presented with is chase. Klay Pool be involved into the wire deceiver one in Pittsburgh Trust trust issues with that had. Your trust issues manages what he did was awesome amid I. think that if you've got a player that is just exploiting defense that much and the defense can do nothing to stop them, it's great coaching to discontinue. Asli. Go. Back to that player I mean that's what you see from League coaching Mike Tomlin's elite coach what we've seen Pittsburgh do in the time that. Mike Tomlin has been there. The wide receiver position is basically a stash. I, mean they've turned out. So in the most insane Europe wide receiver talent and we're seeing it once again with this chase klay pool breakout and honestly everybody thought was going to be Bianca Johnson Johnson look great at the beginning of the year. So you've got the Johnson who had a huge. Target share when he was healthy as we were talking about a minute ago, you got Juju who has put up some great performances already this year and has one of the best beginnings to a career NFL history, and then you've got chased Klay Booze coming off a huge week I think really what you're going to have to sit namic offense and from fancy perspective. You're. GonNa. Have a lot of guys who you're GONNA WANNA put nearline of every week for the probably going to be more boom bust. They are going to be consistent reliable week after week options. Yeah and then you even have James Washington is not obviously not putting them the numbers they are right now but he's not even the slouch himself. So they got tons of. Pittsburgh Josh do you trust or have trust issues on you know obviously like I said he was talk of everything mean he was just absolutely crushing amazing doing things that not many players have ever done. So I mean do do you think that like we have trust issues with him being heavily favored moving forward now or you know do you think you know like Adam said there's a whole bunch of guys who are doing really good here and we can't really trust chase closing like right away with this thing. I think that he will. It's it's great that he flashed and I think that signal going forward for his career even if Chase Klay poll is going to be a very good player in his rookie year I expect spikes and then just duds. I mean let's let's be honest. Calvin really had his game that's as anything I mean next week and zero cash. It's just is what it is is how this thing works, but it was like you guys said it's great to see it happen. You know it's great to see the flashes great to see that you know they know how did he isn't what he can do when they see the exploit you know in in the in the defense they're going GonNa take advantage of it. So overall you know it's just Pittsburgh drivers ears they are talented any concrete issues sometimes because you're like you know you don't know who's the big week. While these guys get healthy and everybody's rolling out there can be fun to watch. the next one the next show have your someone actually acts like a line of questioning automatically questions overall. So or third and here shots at bomb underscore squad ninety two, but his the trust destroy here is Kareem. Hunt over Clyde Edwards Hilar- recipes in NPR DO Trust Trust. Issues With Adam. Say Trust issues but I get the sentiment like I do understand what that's coming from and I think that for Kareem Hunt. While Nick Mrs Time. He has like up higher weekly ceiling I think Atwood's Lara's. But there is a rookie in its fifth week in the League and he's the RB twelve fantasy I think they're fads epic I think right now we're seeing is they're still working him into that offense. They're still figuring out what he's best at an Andy Reid is probably the best play caller in the league right now if not, you know top three. He's going to schematically figure out ways that he can use at where Solaire veteran better throughout the year and I just think we're just GONNA see continued improvement from him So for me, I'm still sticking with his seat age but but yeah, I mean hunts hunts phenomenal will now agree on dot how you feel about this one issues on Kareem Hunt over I think I think Clyde Edward Slayers GonNa Bounce back he's getting a lot of volume is nineteen point three. Points per game, which is not beaten by very many guys that's like up in the top five and cream hunts down around fifteen. So. I I I would bet on cluttered slayer fallen in the end zone a couple of times on on all this volume that he's getting and out faith in Kareem Hunt over the long haul. Yes the. Super Big Week one I think you know anything after that for people is not that feels like he's underperforming or something, but he's been doing fine and he's doing great. So yeah. His position feel safer and you know that big time offense and being you know the guy and with that play caller and Patrick mahomes just feels more comfortable the next one here chase Edmunds Adam brought him up earlier will continue to out produce Kenyan drake trust or trust issues with that Adam. It kind of hurts to save I trusted. From how that offense has been running so far he just seems like the better fit I mean. You know we call it the air raid and everybody jokes. It's a horizontal air raid like that's all they do is dig in Duncan. It's just constantly moved the ball downfield five yard pass at a time and chase Edmunds is fantastic. And their snatchers been basically the same. So you know maybe as it starts shift to the colder months, you see them try and run the ball more and Kenyan drake you know gets a little bit more work but. I don't know I really liked what I'm seeing commandments right now and I think there's a fair chance that he out produces drake rest year. Yeah. That it is interesting I. Mean You Know My my concern here kind is like is Kenyan drake now getting the David Johnson treatment of last year like that's what it feels like. Sir What it feels like I mean I I don't I don't really know like Adam said, it hurts even say 'cause I also is high in Kenyan Drake this year Millau Forum advantage before this last year and it just sucks to see it happened in like this. I know he had like a kind of a bounceback week last week which we we expected we talked about. It last week also like restarted last week because of the opponent. But it just feels like man I hate to give up on him early by the same time like this has done stuff like this to other. Unabashedly. David. Johnson and chase Edmunds is wanted. So there's no reason to like hold the guy back but Josh, do you trust like overall rest of season out producing Kenyan drake? It's tough. It's tough to trust him because drake is still getting so much more of the work. Yeah. But. The thing is that Edmonds is getting all the targets. He's got twenty three targets to drake six on the season so far, and we've been saying this for a few years right? Like everyone keep saying, Jason Jason Season Chase embassies and it seems to start you know popping off a little bit and the. Fully materialize and I guess with Kenyan Drake. Cavern. This earliest season struggle people this may be the chance, right? Of An unfair comparison that when when you look at the rushing volume edmonds has been a lot more efficient. He's is done that because maybe because he's gotten a lot less volume, it's hard to be a with more volume but he's been a lot more efficient and he's getting the passing work and I think that's the side. That's the side I'd rather beholding instead of the Jordan Howard role, you have nothing less. It's obvious. Defense should have chase. Edmunds in it and they should have more and more of him as we continue to proceed forward I would say so both these guys I feel like how value to be on your team and individually you know separately from each other but I don't know if at any point like chase edmunds is going to completely rang Kenyan drake job but I. Think he's GonNa be one of it could be a week to week thing it could be you know I don't think at any point they're like, say hey, Kenyan drake were pushing aside chase Edmunds as a guy I don't think that's ever going to happen. So it's hard to trust from that standpoint but I do for like both have value you know moving forward and chase Edmunds obviously. the hotter player at the moment that make sense. So we'll see how that goes. We'll see how it plays out on the last trust issue I have here really quick is for the wire receiver Travis How do you pronounce his last name Fulham Fulham? will go on you'll leave its whole half I. This is the second week in a row with the last name issue. So shot how to says on twitter he sent me a video for your falcons wide receiver last week Josh on how to properly pronounced the name. You know they had a little so he sent me. Neal's avoiding attempt to pronounce. Now. Session even try you know I probably should do more research before the game before these episodes star saw the video it was not how I thought. Yeah, that's. That's A little off. Every. Other podcast. So on this trust issue receiver Travis. Weekly flex starter rest of season. This comes up because obviously the head honchos the vet wide receiver isn't really have struggled to stay healthy and you know someone has to play their man and so travesty well, last week. Have Trust issues or do you trust him being a weekly Flex Starter alias I gotTa have trust issues I mean. Who? It's just so interesting how Just continues to do something with nothing they're like. Find ways to make is successful who. Before the game you did not know who they were or you know you knew a little bit about him that they've never had production before and then all of a sudden. He's able to cause a blow performance somebody. So I I don't know ultimately I'm not sure what this says for career. These young guy said, this could be. The sign of things to come. But for me, he's going to have to do it a couple more times before I feel confident starting. Many wear. I mean, as far as he's out there on waivers you know he's definitely an interesting gotta add though yeah. How do you feel about Josh? You agree it's like just again who and like. To bet on there, any kind consistency greatly. Will. So whatever Fab I have left is getting thrown this guy. Wherever wherever I don't have my David's so I I'm I'm definitely rolled. It is with him that at the same time I won't be surprised if he if he kinda fades into the abyss and the end I have to admit it at this point I'm asking if Carson Wentz good I don't know I don't know if customers says good. He's struggling when you continue to have no one around him and make these guys that you've never heard of before relevant. I mean that s where something. But again I mean, who knows this guy's probably great based on? Josh's life. It's probably just like a hidden gem of talent who made Carson wentz relevant. Week. Well. It does also go in the face of your wide receivers quarterbacks pot- potentially. Right. Josh. I just cannot yeah like I, I, really I I do agree that wins has had very little help and so that makes me want to cut him slack but. It doesn't look it doesn't. He's not. He's not doing anything great I. Guess I guess if you say that he you know supported fogy in this role in this game. I I don't know. We'll see I have a lot of. Doubt happening. Yet it's been interesting there Greg Ward now go my. You. Know everyone thought to Sean Jackson also Jeffrey and we've gotten ward focal. Man This is a a strange season in many regards so. I think it's Well Josh stopped me. If you're not all that money at him, you trust them or or are you just doing because you may have five dollars left after all the money you spent everywhere. The Places have more than five dollars before this week, I had more than five dollars so. I mean, it's just it's. It's an impressive performance from him and I think that I think that you can't really afford to turn your nose up at that. So all right. So you trust them. I'll take you try. I. Understand I. I. Like that like you taking the chances on a man taking the chances. All right. Let's move over to Can he do that again? Can you do that again, the first one how for you guys here is Mike Williams had over one hundred yards in two touchdowns. Can he do that again, Josh? Boy with Keenan Allen out. Just herber was slinging the Rodman. You know I don't I don't think Mike Williams is a bad player i. you know hundred yards in two touchdowns not something that happens every week even if you get ten targets the game but. He he'll do it again. Some point in the season, how about one hundred yards and a touchdown candidate anyway. Yeah, he could do that again. Okay Adam. Yeah I'm I'm. GonNa more or less agree with Josh as thinks that he can't do that again in Leskinen Alan Mrs Time. For him I think if he gets flooded with tar, it's because of how he works downfield needs like this big body guy I think he has the potential to have some huge meets like this But ultimately, when he announced healthy, it's going to be too much of a target Haagen that offense. It's going to be super soon. See how this passing you know group develops with Justin Herber the Herbert suspend. So beyond what I are very anybody else expected him to be and especially this early. I legitimately thought tyrod was starting thirteen games this year. So you know I wasn't in any of these chargers guys. So for Mike Williams in this, this is huge end for his career I mean this this is really positive. He's still very young, and now he has the potential be playing with a extremely talented quarterback. So it'll be interesting to see how this develops for years to come but as far as the season goes, he's a great like flex sky in your lineups right now with digital big upside. I think that more or less the while Keane announced in there I'm not feeling super confident. Yeah. recharges fans that quarterback is excited man he was making someplace where they were phenomenal. So it's a it's like you said, I don't know if anyone expected this fast but man, it's a it's a good flash to see right now we'll see if it continues at the rookie can continue that pace, but it was exciting to watch the next one was. Just, give us a he had. He had five catches. He did that on five catches like I feel like he's really stretching the bounds of. Even. The valve volume he got. So his his volumes going to have to go up considerably, right. Now out. So it's like. It's crazy but I mean, yeah. The numbers are crazy for the volume. So yes, I think he could do it again tough but as pretty impressive what he did with what he had. Yes. So we'll see the next one Darrell Henderson led the rams carries in week five. Can he do that again at him? Yeah I definitely think you can I mean I. Think that Jon mcvay The way that he runs his offense is more to exploit defense weaknesses. It's going to be interesting to see how he uses is core running backs moving forward but it seems like Henderson is the favourite there. He seems like you might be the most versatile So for me like I feel like you've gotta feel confident starting him especially with the running back apocalypse that's occurring right now I'm in a lot of people don't have choices. So you have someone like you just gotTa feel confident. Right. A lot of people are rejoicing out there right now, if they've held onto daryl this whole time because there was a lot of people who had a lot of love for him and we're super excited about him and we're holding on for a long time I. Don't know if camakers made everybody get off that way when they drafted them but you know he e did pretty well in an opportunity here. Josh. Do you see that he can do this again? The Rams. Backfield is one of the more confusing backfield's for me so far this season, but but I do because. Henderson is also if not mistaking getting the most targets out of that group. So. I feel like. I, feel, like that gives him. Just. A better chance of becoming the guy and not being in a completely split situation for the duration. So if I was going to bet on someone, it would be Durell, Henderson? Yeah. He touched out through the air and on ground. So produce on all levels I mean I could ruin him right now's Levian Bill Josh. Very, not rams. And that will make me excited for Levy on bill for sure The next one here. This definitely want we definitely want Adam the start with this one Derek Carr was a top ten quarterback and we five. Adam can he do it again? Getting in a dramatic shootout this week. Now, there's actually by this week by we. Have a weeks. Seven and we week seven against the box, Tom? Brady and the bugs on the fries load on his supply amnesty no, we can't Neil be gophers goat. Gophers go man. Their cars teach brady a few things out there. Josh man can came Kandar cargo top ten week and week seventy bucks. You. Know it week five. Kansas City is a negative matchup for quarterbacks and. And Derek Carr has been you know twenty six. Points Twenty to twenty, five, twenty, seven like I don't think this guy I don't think the matchup matters a whole lot to him. IS JUST MR consistency. Will see top ten is all obviously you know asked him for a lot at a Derek. But we'll see we'll see if he could do it as editor that in there for Adam really kind to get my raider digs as much as I can't express derek are Preston Williams led the dolphins and targets can do it again. Yeah I. Mean, he was the guy was very high on coming into the years. We can definitely do it again I'm interested to see how Miami you know two out targets moving forward there. I'm not super confident in him being able to do it again From what we've seen so far in the seems like Parker's sold the guy there. That being said impress Williams. More, talented than just some walk on. So I think that a you definitely has a lot of potential to. The target share there, which is what I expected him to do coming into the era and all the interested to see if you can do it I don't feel super confident but Sam probably like seventy, five, twenty, five was twenty. He beat out Parker in that game and targets he only had fights argues. Whale their. Reproduction on this yeah. Parker is rare Mike Williams like in week five, Josh, do you think back and forth year with him devante Parker Parker still scored last week to right with this going on. So He FDR's touchdown me do you think we're going back and forth where one guy leaves this week long these that week or do you think Devante Parker will majority you know how the majority of the higher producing weeks? I do think we're going to have a back and forth and it might even be A. Back and forth, where is am Ford gets into the mix at. Preston had allayed injury I would like to thank that he is just starting to catch his stride and become what I hope to would be but. I know that Isaiah Ford out targeting us just. It just makes me think that the ceiling is not so high. Yeah, it's GonNa. Be a interesting. We'll see if the. To with that does he has a favorite or if he's a, you know spread the ball around also. So again, uninterested in offense to pay attention to moving forward the last one I have here for you guys on. Can he do that again devante? Freeman. Had Twenty touches in week five. Can he do that? Again I'm. Not Maybe, I don't know. itis. Detroit student WHO's anybody I mean they're gonNA sign love Eon Bell Le Bells going to get twenty touches next week so I don't go for the giants Bra. No. Twenty touches he has seventeen rushes three targets. I just. I mean. Possible It's possible. He does it again I mean who else is there like really Realistically, there's nobody to threaten to take touches away from him. So I mean how often do you go through the giants points though I mean it's much different. So if they you know have another big performance than sure you might get twenty punches. But if they have a normal end, there's no way he gets them on touches Damn and Dana Jones have been disappointing this year for me is. Really Ardent Spent twenty. Me as well has been a big year at him I know Barkley. All that kind of stuff I don't know I thought he was really. Big. Spike weeks. Last year. Ceiling was there yeah. We thought it was gonna be a little marcus. So we'll see I do have throughout the freemen awesome teams though. So Act happens Scott Fishbowl and I've actually had to start last week it is getting pretty Iliescu fishbowl. Saudi week but I'm having a pin. You know put pieces together there. It's been ugly All right. That's that again less. You are not so obvious lack of the week before we close bad boy out with our no foul. Not obvious lock of the week. Adam. The. Probably did. Not We've all done at one week. All right. So we can end the segment. We're all one one in one and the field is too. So. Yeah. Let's let's see. If one of us can tie the field this week. So I don't know if you guys want me to write off. Daria. Slayton her having a huge week last week and you know not just being the lack of the week. But like really showing up for me, Michigan's the top twelve fantasy PBR wide receiver. So that was awesome I'm going to try and ride the wide receivers going this week and kind of go with a little bit of a similar strategy is Slayton was where Slayton had a really big week one and then did nothing and went off again and that came down to picking the right match up and I think I might have the right match up in a situation where You know the wide receiver that dominates targets on his team is coming back off the injury and finally going to be suiting up again I think Marquez scan has a good opportunity to. Really have a breakout week again, this week they're going up against Tampa Bay and I think that game is going to be very winnable Green Bay So you know grid his bend phenomenal this season so far I mean they put up thirty points at every single game. So getting a part of that offenses, you know definitely a good opportunity Last three weeks NBS have been pretty disappointing. So I think this is bounced back week I like them in the spot. Okay MVP s all right. I. Like that man that's a good call. Good call packers, receivers. It's not in our Santa Crazy idea any we can go off Are Josh she picked Mvsa he went wide receiver again he was are returning winner from last week who are you going to use a counter? His mvs I this this player he started to catch fire a little bit this week as very excited. Yvette I, very much like to see it continue and they will be playing we playing Dallas bleak six although Dallas is a different Dallas now without Dak but Christian Kirk Christian Kirk is my of week and this is going to happen. INOSITOL. Christian Kirk. Is. Finally getting right he's healthy I do not believe that this guy is just gonNa fade into nothing which is what he has been of our this season but. I I think I. Think this is the week where he writes the ship. Respect it. All right. So we got Christian Kirk and we got envious I. Feel like we should go see retreat out here man and just let are wide receivers in August get out I you guys are kind of both going off of guys who have had down weeks last week, right? So I feel. Unsafe Kirk. As best we could year, he's been consistently trending up, but still has not eclipsed thirteen dvr points. So yeah, I KINDA WANNA. Is it cheating if I go pressing Williams? Okay Having that's fair. Didn't you have Preston Williams last week? No. No I waited. Won this thing. I'm teasing. I would win the deal I I would to beat your Slayton pick. You had whatever Cleveland running back. Appointed man there ernest heated gooden a backup fill in roll off the fly but then. Sucks when he's playing practice all week for terrible. pressing Williams man he he he he finally you know did something even with five target that we mentioned he's playing the jets. Plan the jets man. I feel like. This. Is a little kicking horse while he's down now the jets her desire to get kicked around right now and I've really devante Parker and who can both go off again, you know new well, touchdown each fifty, one, hundred yards each so I feel good here pressing Williams mvs Christian Kirk. What a little what a little bunch of their little crew man. So interesting group I put them on here on my list to make sure had them all. So I don't forget while I'm watching the Games press in. Williams we'll throw that twitter poll up last week atom one. Last. Week atom one or see if we'll see who knew what was going to have. It's funny. They actually voted you and you want. So we'll see if that street can continue. We'll see if they could be one now into next week. We'll see how that plays out All right. Let's I'm over to our. No farrelly quick. I just have three of them to run by you guys really quick the first one is there is zero doubt that Alex Smith will, win Comeback Player of the year Fowler novell. Idiot. You know I'm not Oh. Eight my heart is coming from, but I'm just now excited about Alex Smith. You advocate a bad person, Josh? Josh Josh. Terrible person you do this every lost half of our at the end of the show Josh always seems to get weird on his man. He's either admitting the crimes he's hitting on good people human good story of the year and Josh is like an whatever. Maybe, even, watch the game. I I. I wish you would have said something like, Hey, man Newton, you know as my guy like he's going back covid now he came back after you know last year being down no one signed him at least give me an argument you're like I'm just not ruined for Alex. Smith was like. Geez. Just don't. Really, comes down to what does that award mean to doesn't mean the player that came back from the most or does it mean the player that came back from something and played the best year for me? I think it's the former rather than ladder and I, think for that you have to Italics Smith I mean for him to even get knocked community to start was just so poetic you know. It it was crazy. What he came back from I mean, he came back from an injury that people thought he could lose his leg. I mean, this is insane. This is life changing stuff and you know he's right back in the NFL where he was before it was it was awesome to see until he started taking sachs. Who yet still the NFL? Why doesn't he just like Kobe with his children cheeses but Yeah. I mean, I wish I wish Washington was better but happy him back I think he deserves to win that award. Yes. There was like world peace for thirty seconds when he came in game. Like everybody was happy for some reason so. We need more those moments man now imagine if he plays next week starts over or this week whatever starts this week because Kyle Allen still or they wanNA. Give them a chance and he actually does crazy. What if he does good man what if maclaurin gets touchdowns? From, like a fan standpoint, I don't understand you don't start him. It seemed like offering tanner trying to gain some viewership. You know they changed their name they're. Trying to make all these changes there who better than that guy coming back off an injury that people thought he'd never play again and you know for him to be starting your franchise. How crazy is it guys that we have two players in the league who are starting quarterbacks that people thought might never play again I mean between him. Teddy Bridgewater. Amazing. The super players comebacker. It is it is. It is fascinating. It's awesome. It's everything. So. Yeah Man Except to Josh. I'd rather give it to Robbie Anderson for overcoming Adam? Grace. Rather, give it to, Teddy. Teddy's almost lost a leg. He makes it through the season. Give it to take i. mean if you would have said something like that the gate. Yeah. But you said I just don't root for Alex. Smith. Just. Like like Oh. Are you are you back to be a mediocre? That's fantastic. How can we cut his Mike off? Is Man. If it wasn't for passionate Mahomes, we'd be talking about Alex Smith the Super Bowl loser or something. You know why? Though tyreek Hill. Receivers or read. All right. All right. The next one here is I got to think about this because you know Lebron just want another finals championship as like you know instantly as soon as he wins every once arguing who's better hammered Jordan I started to think will never agree on who is in any sport because it's more like a generational significant argument rather than numbers and Championships Fowler Novella Nut. I I actually say foul I. Don't think most people dispute the Jerry Rice's the go. Like that one's interesting I feel like guys who grew up watching the seventies they respect with Jerry Rice did in the nineties and the late was the late eighties. Early nineties was like almost before my time away. Yeah I can't remember exactly when he started his career but like early nineties is what I remember nonetheless like. I don't think it's the same I think basketball's polarizing because there's This Hana. Put it almost like this. Blend of physicians if you will like a shooting guard center or Different what they on the field right. But as far as what people actually perceive them to do in regards to being the greatest of all time like. People would put wilt Chamberlain up there with Michael Jordan they just kinda all get thrown into that realm where if you're talking best NFL player of all time, people would probably say it's Jerry Rice but then they be like but that's if you're not specifically saying a quarterback, right? You're saying quarterback might be Tom Brady. It might be you know Joe Montana might have your generational arguments like you said that Moore applies to positions in the NFL and then like if you go into hockey I, don't think a lot of people argue that it's Gretzky. in soccer I lose a lot of argument generation only again so I think it's different sports sport. Yeah. Yes. Definitely. Possible. I was just get to thinking about it because I'm always like you know. It I, feel I feel like if you didn't wash the player. Like is harder to value them over players at you watched. Your generations guy like you know what I mean like like when I think of like best why receive Riley, my mind I'm always like Randy Moss yet I mean it'll go jerry rice. And it's like I think Ramos's fucking amazing like how could you resume? That's how I think about it but then I might be you Australia rice film. Do you go back and look at it and see how and he was Almost, feel like the Jordan Lebron think can be similar to that like people who watch Jordan will never put slip on guy ahead of him but the kids who grow up watching the broader now we're never gonNA put this old. Jordan. Guy of I mean so I feel like they're that argument Josh how do you feel about that? Do you feel like you can't break generational thing I think that's exactly right. Got People that are my age are just going to always say Jordan. Just it's just because like when I was, you know in middle school and high school and you know impressionable Michael Jordan was. Destroying basketball and the Bulls were incredible. And like I just I'm just not that taken aback by Lebron James as I was when I was a kid watcher. Michael Jordan? Yeah. I also wonder how much of that is like nostalgia you being a kid and all said, there was less distractions back then right I like. Lebron has to be one distraction in millions now but back when Jordan was the world, like there was less noise means as also possibility that you know people have them you know more beaten into their head because of less things they got to hear you know what I mean I don't know I just think it was interesting because this conversation happens every single time like some wins the championship or you know whatever the case maybe someone these great players do something like this argument ensues never ends I. It's it's unwinnable and there's so much variation All right. The last fowler no foul I think had to be on here is DJ Moore's back Fowler no foul him. Foul. Bobby Anderson saw produce them. I just I don't know man I guess I should be believing in Carolina at this point but I'm still just resistant. So yeah, I don't I don't think he's back in regards supplying him being consistent wide receiver one moving forward or anything. I don't mean Josh. What is your feelings on this man did did you feel vindicated at all? Did you feel like you wipe the sweat off your forehead for a little bit? Now. He only got like five targets. It's great that he got two hundred yards and got a touchdown on five targets but Robert Anderson had i. think thirteen something obscene like that. So I had this conversation on twitter a few weeks back actually when. They more kind of like struggling. But I think I wanNA say Digi more started off a little better. So I had this conversation like you know my wife said the. Bail guys or you have a really good backup erupted later starting over those guys and I think it was who was it that jumped in pretty much right away with was Was it Michael Michael Lou Oblivion mcglew. Mike me up and me up and I forget which one he said he trusted more but he said he trusted like Dj more over Joe Mixing as far as going forward do either one of you guys trust one of these guys more because they both have been inconsistent right I. mean they both had Jim x one week and then play Baltimore and didn't do any again like for the most part. So like for the people who Are Struggling or I guess quote unquote struggling because they've had big games but do you guys trust Dj more or Joe Mixing in more like in your lineups which will make you feel more confident and I know Adam is you know all in on Joe Mixon like he feels great about him. You probably have better options on your bench to put over like who who, who really makes you feel more confident like on a week to week basis Dj more Joe makes and Joshua. GOPHERS. Probably, Joe Makes Because Joe Mixing is still monopoly in the running back volume on his team. Yeah. Dj Moore's like clearly a number two target has crazy sucks. Does suck it sucks. And you know what else? Is Like New Wide Receiver comes to a different team. I just feel like that was a horrible bet. The end in for him to dominate a player that has checked every box along the way like I just don't feel like there was any reasonable line of thought that leads you to Robbie, Anderson. Yet. It's it's. It's I. Mean it's just crazy. This. Summer that I never knew this is totally off base from numbers and stats. I did not know DJ, Moore's name was Denison. I didn't either I did not either. So from this point forward, he is Denison more on this podcast. Tinson war until he become wide receiver one yeah you are no longer DJ. More does you are Denison more? E.. N. I S. T. O. N. I'm confident saying that correctly Denison more junior Sir That's who you are. That is your birth name and that's who we will call you until you earn week one numbers over Robbie Anderson. It's Just going to go and that's what we do here I'm GonNa call him DJ because I'm not here dead naming people on a Louis. What's wrong Denniston come on Dennison's great actually never seen that before I've never seen either as Denison Winston. Yeah, it's interesting I. Think it's cool I literally it's not often that I see names I've never seen before I can't think of anyone with that name like any other famous person or celebrity. It's an interesting name on there and as weird when some guys have these initial names at sometimes it is really just surname like the initials. Like you never hear that other you know the true name like it's weird like we never heard that name before now for me Google his name's weird So yeah, I just think it's interesting I've never heard that name said before it usually some guy will say, oh, crabby. Yeah I never knew it. So it's interesting Denison more. That's who he is So Intel before we wrap this up, do you guys have anything for today? I do I. was watching. I read before we started the podcast but Bert Kreischer just released his new show on Netflix called the Cavan and it's it's quite funny He's naked in it way too often her for anything that I want to watch. So be willing and ready to divert your eyes, but it's worth it. It's quite funny. I WANNA. See I think you'd dropped a trailer. One of the group chats or something I know is coming out actually So yeah, I'm excited to see that. So it's on what our? Nestle Okay and it's why is it one episode? Right? The whole season. Now I mean I guess you could call it a season. It's just five episodes and they're all like twenty minutes. So it's it's a pretty quick watch. Okay. Yeah. Check it out check it out and they look good funny So I WANNA. See I. Definitely WanNa see that. All right. Netflix I'm just typing and as I'm talking to you guys I don't forget. I Apologize. Josh, do you have anything that you want to show and tell today? Yeah Yeah. A couple of small things. So do you guys have the food chain? You guys have bombs where you are? googling. It might be only, Oklahoma? Best. Sandwich, is Brahms the best? So he better there on the restaurant Yeah, it's like a drive thru type of place. And Oklahoma Texas Kansas Arkansas, and Missouri. That's good enough for me. Is it is it am I stupid I typed it in as B., R. O. MS. Yet. Okay just making sure. Clarkston, that's Love I'm glad that you phrased the question way yeah. LemMe interesting their breakfast Sandwich because I'm looking at photos this. Doesn't doesn't look quality Is there a particular kind of breakfast sandwich there like a like a Bagel, Omelette and a sausage patty like a Bagel egg sausage it's very good. Oh, okay. Got Hit breakfast I. See it. Okay. what was the name of a Josh where we looking for here? For the listeners please go to Brahms dot com and it is spelled B. R., A. U., M s Nabi, our Ms and follow along with us. This is know interactive. which then would you get Josh Road? It's. I think it's just like a spinach spinach and mushroom omelette alcon. Able S it spinach Bagel omelet okay. Adam you're not fucking with this. No I love breakfast. Okay I was just saying the images that. Like. Make me super excited I mean it just looks like a drive through breakfast. Some good drive-thru breakfast sandwiches. I got spoiled living in Chicago for a decade though because you just you have the opportunity to literally go to so many like places where they will for the same price. So you something that is so much better than anything you could get it like a drive through so. I miss the places. I hear you sandwich doesn't look too bad. Doesn't lead to battle. All right. All Right Brahms I can't believe I type did a brl Ms very disappointed in myself right now. Very discouraged very discouraged lender quick thing I know I know that air fryers are not new am late to the party but you if you don't have an Air Fryer you need one actually. I don't have one. Get One. Pretty fantastic. Why doesn't someone donate me one? Because our fans. Get Neil and airfare are the inexpensive I mean what are we talking about here? You need to start starter. I heard for seventy bucks. Probably. Already, but I think listeners can make that happen. Right? It's not too now just kid. How the check into a car I swear I've seen like is this an echo potentially have seen like infomercials for before? Yeah Okay, yeah I think I've seen like QVC type ads or something for it. I never actually got one but what are we talking about here? What what what game is it changer for? What is it doing? What does the air fire doing for a guy like me who spells Brahms brl Ms Aria so anything that you want to reheat that would be like Fried or crispy any sort of way it actually makes it crispy again. Okay. So I'm like replacing like toaster oven with the singer or something. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Replace Your toaster oven. There are also other alternatives I don't actually own one my parents do so I'm no way not making meals with it. I'm normally like just heating up some stuff that I'm not actually supposed to be eating at their house. Okay, Gotcha to. Eat with them anything that you would pan fry oil you can do in an air fryer. M Edwards. Healthier. Yeah log healthier. It do a great job with Tofu. Not happening that will be what I experiment. I will look into the Air Fryer for sure. I will definitely do that everyone listening right now is like how is this guy not using airfare I know. It's crazy. This kind of things happen All right. My show until I kinda got disappointed with Adam last week I recommend the paper goes and he seemed disappointed he seemed disappointed the guy's voice. And the narration did it did it end up about bugging you enough to stop listening Adam or did you continue to it? It did okay that's what I thought. The episode has that. Some little disappointed. Now a little disappointed. Now, my hate somebody else had that feeling I had that feeling but I rolled with it you stopped and so now thinking, Hey, there might have been a recommendation that soured on because of that So I'm going to hit with another murder pot another true crime pot and hope to redeem myself I. Don't know if I will I could just be too deep in the game at this point and that anything will satisfy my urge but I'm going with counter clock not sure how commercially to this guy air friars but counter clock is a good podcast. Man is produced by company called Audio Chuck. And yeah. It's pretty good podcast. They had one season in the books so you can listen to that one and they're currently in a second season You know obviously different cases in each but yeah, it's another. It's another pretty good murder pot. So if you're out here like mainly street struggling listen into. Narrators they're reading books you might want to jump over to counterclockwise. Instead if you're having difficulties like Adam did on I apologize I really apologize sometimes you don't hit you know it is what it is I tried. Other. Than that I have nothing else to show Intel Atom Josh you have anything else to share before you put this week in the books and your advice is closed out in audio form. Is there anything else you want to share before we close this episode out? Any parting words any player we didn't mention that you feel we should have is there anything left at Youtube I was wanting to talk about how Derek is getting tons of volume but I'm pretty sure he's scored two touchdowns tonight. So Derek how the titans though like straight but ran through the undefeated bills. Yeah who knew getting fifteen days off was a competitive advantage. For why do you always going to be so? Down in. Drag me down. It's great for the titans this just this is what the league year is going to be guys I. Mean we're going to have some weird situations because Kobe. Yeah I mean if you know how to exploit them for fantasy if you have the money to gamble man this, this year could could definitely give a lot of opportunities I. Big Money Making Situation I think it I think it's fair to mention that this this episode is being recorded the day of that game, which is Tuesday, which is weird obviously because Kobe, like you're mentioned. We should just at least touch on the fact that TJ Yeltsin somehow lead the buffalo team in Russian. He also had a receiving touchdown I. Don't know what exactly is happening here. Devon Single Terry didn't do much of anything. digs again had another hundred yard performance ten receptions That was really for the bills nothing major but Ryan Tannehill, he knew untouched wander yards passing but he had three touchdowns. Passan and then he had another forty yards and a touchdown Russian? And then Derrick Henry like you said, two touchdowns did how a a ton of yards but he was out here literally sent in Joshua when flying through the air with arm like it was a magic trick or something, and then Eighty Brown man came back to life a little bit. Corey has gone because Kobe right now. So he had a good game but other than that man oh, John John. touchtone who touchdowns. So Yeah I was I know you're saying that they had all this time office, but it was it was impressive to watch. I didn't expect it to be such a a blow out I've the bills of a great man. So he kind of surprised me to get mopped like that but I guess like you said that break is valuable it is important I will keep saying the name Gabriel Davis though for the bills he is worth on your team he's got to be owning dynasty and every league you're already Brawley but he's A good player if you could trade for forum target them, I, see I, see him to constantly improve it here. Man I know that. Team is Kinda stocked over there but he I I am excited about him just like I'm excited about Mooney in Chicago. I wish why is your team not getting the ball enough man I feel like some young guys out here. They're busy winning every game. At up. Shut up. All right. That's it. That's it. We done allow guys. We've we've not had a lot of stuff if you WanNa Find Adam and talk to him any further and he'll. Kinda soberly tell you you're wrong or something really bad when bothered, you can find him at the other F- F guy he's usually busy tweeden awesome stuff about that video that you have seen knockout. You like that one. Episode. Videos. Oh Yeah. To look race. Yeah like mortal. Combat Yeah Man. Crazy I mean. That is potentially the best knockout I've ever seen. Yeah. Did you did you see him? Did You Live to that was seen sane. But. Now in person. On. Television. Live. I mean it was just one the prelims. So for it to be this like crazy catch kick turnaround switch kick like just yeah, I mean. Just. It was so clever. To See, you could not like I could not process it when it happened. Yeah. It was the good of all knockouts and did you talking to him after the fight like one of his interviews or something? He just kind of walked off the interview and he was like you know getting phone calls over here you know you create a moment like that's what you do. When you come out here you have to create a moment and like you the calling me saying, give you all the money like to. Give, him. All the knockout bonuses signed the check right now like that just put you have see in himself on the map like in the second here. So I mean it might be the best nocco in MMA sense the Anthony Pettis, run off the cage now I, mean that to me is still the best knockout of all time. I mean it wasn't in a UFC happening at championship like it was huge stakes but this was as far as his. Unexpected you're never. 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2019 RB Tiers

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2019 RB Tiers

"Talking heads fantasy football podcast show here, your hosts Jeff carrier itself wall. Hello, everyone and welcome into the NFL talking heads fantasy football podcast show, streaming live to YouTube. Seth is our first time going live on video. How does it feel? It's feels it feels a little different, especially you would know beard. So clean clean shaven and ready to talk some fantasy football. I think I legitimately shaved off a few years. The does it not look like I got a bit younger, by losing the grizzly beard. It does you do look a little bit younger, which is usually what happens when, when you shave I go through the same thing, too. I try to keep it like you know, this, this normal level. But I try every now and then and every time I do I look like I'm a middle school. And so we are streaming lights YouTube. We're going to going forward, if you want to go ahead and. Watch us on TV you gotta streaming device open up to YouTube app hits. Subscribe to the NFL talking heads YouTube channel, we're also going to an upcoming episode. Start streaming to Twitter and Facebook live will as we get more, you know, a better schedule and more comfortable with this. We'll start putting out a schedule where you can actually listen to us as relied and then interact with us. That's a cool part that we really want to get into. We're going to have a live chat on all of these streaming devices and platforms whatever's easier for us follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook YouTube, hit the subscribe, and it will send out notifications once we go live, you built a chat with us. Ask us questions. So Seth I see something maybe towards the end of an episode in the future, we've got people listening live, where we can actually take some live questions answered those and not only that will be. Able to build more interactive on the video will be able to show either some videos or some stats that were referring to just something that you won't be able to get through the audio platform, but whatever is your preference. In terms of consuming the NFL talking heads. We're trying to make it a little bit easier for you. Set. So this episode, we have an actually backup real quick. So in this episode, it's just set the ni- Ryan is out of town for the weekend, and we'll be joining us back on the next episode. So just seven I just like the good old days. And you know. Going forward is going to be probably. I'm sure plenty of other episodes where it's just, you know, two people Ryan and Seth Ryan I vice versa, whatever. So we're doing running back tears set. You've given me you're running back tears. We're going to cover that. I though we have a opening question as we love to do. And I posted it live to Twitter here as a poll question, and we'll try and get some feedback and maybe recap it where we stand by the end of the episode, see if the audience. Is feels the same way as we do. The question is. With Todd Gurley dropping we discussed this a little bit in the last episode, but it's such a hot topic, and we're talking about running back tears, with Todd Gurley dropping two point zero three Daryl Henderson at six point zero five in the respective eighty Ps and a twelve team league. Does. Does drafting bowl to those players. Make a good investment. I think it's I rate on scale on the ten ten being just the best investment based on the value and one being terrible investment. I'd read it like at a seven because you can get Todd Gurley outside of the first round, which I think we talked on the last podcast. Todd Gurley is no longer first rounder that goes without saying giving his new situation injury concerns so you can get Todd early middle early to middle second round and then follow that up with making sure that you grabbed real Henderson in the six round to protect your investment on Gurley. I like it for this reason because you don't, if Todd Gurley healthy you're getting a first, you're getting top-five talent atop top five fantasy production and if he gets injured, you're getting a drought hunters gonna get all the touches could potentially be a stud. And you get him in the six round. So it's not like a timeshare situation where you're getting is on a normal handcuff situation, which is why I like it. And again if. You're the upside is if Todd Gurley healthy, then, who cares these spent a second six round pick on real Henderson. Because you got Todd Gurley at an extreme discount, which is going to half dividend. So I like it. I'm not really in favor of it to be honest. I think that the combination of both of those playing the same exact position on the same exact team. You could make the argument that if Tagro is great. But then you just wasted a six round pick. I mean, that's still eight truly valuable pick then something happens girly, then we're hoping Durell Henderson can fill in and be very good. And we're hoping Terrell. Henderson is also the only person we remember, they have Malcolm Brown and some other players there that obviously doesn't sounds appealing. But I mean, this is a pure hypothetical here just on relying that Darryl Henderson's going to be the man. Not only that, we have maybe one of the worst outcomes, which is that they completely eat into each other shares and target really is giving seventy percent of his work load from the previous year. But it's not you know it's not great. He's clearly a starter. But then again wasted as the sixth round pick. I think it's too much of an investment on the same position. Maybe if we saw this happen a lot with Atlanta when Tevin Coleman was getting drafted as the two right in. He was. Had some good years, but it's still always seem like heaven. Coleman was too highly rated he needed. Devante Freeman injury to maybe a breakout candidate. And even when that happened he wasn't actually really a breakout candidate. I feel like we've got a similarity here. I think it's too much of a rich investment. I'm okay taken a risk on girly with the value. If you think that he could be getting eighty percent of the workload, and he's still going to be an Rb one. I think that's the way to go about this. I don't think drafting a unproven rookie running back behind early in the six round is a smart idea. I mean nothing nothing. You said there is wrong really. And I think the drawl Hunterston it's the six round is definitely the tougher pill to swallow out of the two and taking early in the second round, but look at it like this. I mean, the play devil's advocate, if you if you believe Todd Gurley went how the top five maybe top three pick normally normal seasons. Last year. He was like last couple years. He went into the year's top, I pick then would you trade, your second round, pick and a six round pick to get healthy Todd Gurley? I think everybody would do that ten times out of ten right? If you know Todd Gurley is going to be healthy ninety percent of what he has been at the top of his game, then I would absolutely trade. My second six round pick to get that player. So when you do that, you're, you're really banking, or hoping that you're gonna get stud Todd Gurley. And I don't think it's a terrible risk to take because the upside is so immense. Yeah. I guess that's a good point. But at the same time, it's like, well depends on who you're drafting in the second round like if you hit on your second round pick from last year, which is what we're Michael Thomas went, right? Or someone else. And then our six round picks that we were in love with which was like Cooper Cup right? And Robert woods. You know, I don't know talk really wasn't absolute B's last year. Would you trade Todd Gurley and six hundred this year for like the one O one saquon Barkley, and the one one of washer? Yeah. You do that all day long because you do that right now, if you're in a draft at allows trading and you have the two point zero three and the one one person's willing to trade one one for two point three and six point. Oh, five. Then yeah, I guess obviously you do that. But I don't think that's really on the table. Yeah. As I put a seven on scale on the ten I don't I'm in love with it, but it's definitely a strategy that I think I would I could see myself employing depending on where all depends on where you're getting Todd Gurley now. And a second round, am I am I using that strategy taking Todd Gurley over Travis Kelsey, and my Gibbons probably not. But I would I would take him over Damian Williams over in Tokyo Brown over dalvin cook. So I think a lot of it depends on, you know, take over all Beckham. So I think a lot of it depends on how you know what happens in the second round which players are there. How late you can get because right now tug early two point. Oh, three his eighty p if that drops further. And you're looking at two point zero six two zero seven then that changes things a little bit. All right. Let's move ahead to the running back, tears early runningback, tears. But I feel like overall these are going to stay relatively similar. Let me go ahead Seth and pull up your first one. I'm just gonna read these from you, and then give you my feedback as you kind of explain your tears right off the bat. I'm a bit intrigued here. So you have saquon Barkley as tier one by himself, clearly what you're saying is. And now we're sure we're speaking in reference to PR league. Saquon is without a doubt. You're saying the one one pick right by this by this by putting him in his own tier. Absolutely. And it's not even that close. I see I debated through lumping him in the first year with the other big three running backs. But then I was like he's clearly he's the clear cut guy ten times outta ten year taking him with the number one pick overall. You know, and I, I don't wanna say it's not close at all. But I think he's head and shoulders above the, the big three that I have and tier two. Okay at any is it for his volume of workload. The amount of let me, why would you not consider to, to that would really come to mind, especially NPR league would be? We'll not especially Zeke for sure. Like I struggle between the two. I really like I like the offense better in Dallas. I like how Zeke is not gonna be as alliance on. As relying on catches as saquon was last year. And I also like the fact that Ziba only had six rushing touchdowns last year. Yeah, I love the but I think saquon, I'm not worried about the offense he plays in to your point about being relying on catches. I mean he had we had ninety one catches last season. I think he has upside to get over one hundred catches. So I don't look at the ninety one catches for saquon as being like this aberration. With with Zeke on the other hand, you know, last year, he made a massive jump in terms of receptions, seventy seven catches, which was up from his rookie year when he had thirty two catches. And I think Zeke is I don't think seventy seven aberration either. I just think saquon number one has much more. Upside in the passing game. I think he can be the Christian McCaffrey in the passing game while also being pretty close to Zeke is on the running game. So I think he's kinda got the best of both worlds between Zeke and Christian McCaffrey he is once in a generation prospect coming out of college who lived up to all the hype last season, and he's going to get all the touches he's gonna get a crazy amount of all. William, and he's just he's got he's better runner. I mean, the different Zeke I guess, but he's just got more. Upside, he's more explosive, and I think that his floor is very similar Zeke. And I think when you look at the number one overall pick you're looking at projecting. Upside on top of what their Flora's, and I think is upside is something that Zeke is just not going to be able to match unless Zeke just is posted the fifteen to twenty rushing touchdowns. That he's capable of. Yeah. All right. So let's move on to tier two tier two. You have the rest of the big four, which is Zeke Kirch McCaffrey in Alvin Kamara walk me through, that, let me know if you kinda have them ranked in a specific order of, how you would like to take them if they're in that order your thoughts on those running back since you're too. I, I like Zeke Zeke is clearly, the, the class of that second tier division, so to speak, and I've been Christian McCaffrey will be number two in that group. And then tomorrow would be definitely third. I think when you look you saquon looking those big four running backs that I call them I think Kamara is, is definitely the fourth I think, at the line, is that. Because of neural Norlin offense. And I think he has between the three I think he's the most likely to. To give up Kerry's give up touches to other back Norlin to work in a lot of other back backs. Mark Ingram isn't there. They're gonna be working other backs in. I think Christian McCaffrey we clearly saw what he was capable of in the passing game last season. You only played the only started ten games his rookie season. And we're waiting for him to make that big jump which he did last season with a hundred and seven catches. That's going to be hard to, to, to do again for Christian McCaffrey. And he's got the durability issues at his size, and in college against durability issues. So I think Zeke he's extremely durable. He is going to get all the touches he's going to all the goal line carries and the Cowboys have shown a willingness to try and get Zeke involve more in the passing game to kind of manufacturer offense, seventy seven catches. I think Zeke has the upside of eighty plus catches. I think Zeke is, is definitely the cream of the crop with that second tier. I go McCaffrey, Kamara. But I mean. I, I wouldn't blame somebody for going McCaffrey over over Zeke I think it's matter preference with Zeke I think us look asks lightly safer, pick and number two with McCaffrey may be having a little bit more upside. But I, I don't know as though McCaffrey McCaffrey's ever going to be a guy to get over two hundred and fifty carries two hundred and nineteen carries last season. I don't know where you fall in that. I just look at the one thing that I think, puts McCaffrey below Zeki, my opinion is just I don't see him. I don't see him getting the volume of carries necessary to top Zeke, especially when you consider his receptions, as good chance those come down a little bit. Yeah. Definitely have Zeke at the top of that tier as well. Again. Like I would even have to strongly consider him in as a one, a one even even in a PR league increase McCaffrey Kamar. I mean it's so close in a lot of the things that you had mentioned with the amount of catches that McCaffrey has, I don't I mean, I don't think it could be over one hundred again, but at the same time, I don't think it's going to be any less than what Kamara is done the last two years, which is eighty one in eighty one consistently. They seem to use Kamar very consistently as well. Mealy had one hundred ninety four rushing attempts last season, which is very repeatable you can clearly look at us touchdowns. And, you know, maybe say there's a pullback there little bit of regression, fourteen on the ground for through the air eighteen total. But they are the New Orleans Saints have a great offense overall. I don't think you can go wrong, clearly, though, at this stage of the draft this earlier the draft, you are kind of trying to nitpick. And find any kind of depending on what you're going for you, and you might be the type person says it this kind of pick. I just wanna make sure the points are there. So he maybe lean towards Kamara. And then maybe if you're like, well, I'm gonna go even bigger, the maybe you go, Christian McCaffrey, knowing that maybe if he does, get more rushing. That is upsize a little bit higher. So let's, let's move along though to tier three at this is when he gets very interesting. You have DJ David Johnson, Gordon and levian bell. So walk me through that. And then follow that up with why you think bell is in that same tier because I don't think I would put him in that same here. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be in of your say anything bell is an a lower tier. I don't think he's definitely the third out of this here. I just, you know, when I put bell in this here before I go, I would rank them I put bell in this tear out of respect to what bogey on bells on his career to this point. And I think we've got to at least respect what he's capable of even though he is with Pittsburgh anymore. And he's playing for the New York Jets, he's gonna throw the ball to him. He's a really good runner. So I think the production should be there if he gets the opportunities, I would put see this is tough because I David Johnson Melvin Gordon, a really close out personally go Melvin Gordon, and then David Johnson and beyond bell. This love Melvin gore. Now he does miss games every single season. I think his two thousand seventeen was the only season in what she played all sixteen games. But when he plays he's an absolute workhorse is gonna get touchdowns. And he catches the ball to. So he's probably the most bounce to the three running backs. In terms of what you can expect from fantasy production standpoint. At least this year Johnson, clearly has a lot more upside, what he did in two thousand sixteen seventeen he's anything close to that. Then you know he probably belongs in tier two. That's against matter preference. You guessing you'd go David Johnson ahead among gore, and I think it's really close out go Melvin Gordon slightly above, David Johnson is over close, and the only reason that I'm going David Johnson over Gordon is probably because of the injury, you're guaranteed a couple games. You don't know when that's going to be could be playoff time at the risk of something kind of crazier happen. But also I am just super high on. I'm high on offense. But I'm really high on David Johnson this year. I think he's going to be one of those players that I'm going to have a lot of shares of depending on where my draft position is that's gonna be a tricky one, because I really wanna get David Johnson. I'm okay taking him at the one oh five. We've talked about in the past, and it looks like he's kind of moved all the way up into that position when we were talking. You know just even a month ago. He was like down at one oh nine it was crazy. So I was like. Sign me up for that all day. Now looks like the market has corrected itself a little bit. And he's up two one five so it looks like I'm going to have to if I do want Johnson. I'm going to have to go in there. And basically, you know, I would say pay a premium wouldn't you? When you say like for someone who had kind of a poor year last year. You're hoping that the offense is good of a change in offense. You you're hoping that calamari throws a ball to running backs. Now, we've got some stats that I like to pull some of these numbers together, maybe more as we get closer to the season. We've heard that running quarterback helps out the rushing game. Right. Like the running backs but might not necessarily translate into pass catches for the runningback. So the you feel like one kind of premium for David Johnson compared to that he was going at, like one, oh nine a month or two ago. I think it's absolutely premium because. Even if you think you're going to get very close to what you saw out of him and show them, sixteen seventeen like. Would you take him over saquon? No Zeke w taking over the top four. So he's right behind them. So you're not getting, you're not getting that big of a discount. Let's say he got it was just tears, right? Yonder hopkins's file. So you Johnson at six put him at the top of this year. Six overall pick for David Johnson. Given the Dow near that he had last season. That scares me a little bit, which is why put Melvin Gordon because let's face it with injuries as the only thing really were out, Gordon and the two years. We're talking about is two thousand sixteen in which he missed three games. And last year in which he missed four games. Each of those seasons. He's still had ten rushing touchdowns. So my point Gordon is, is if he's just going to miss a few games, you're, you're getting your money's worth in the time that you have on your team. And you can always spot him like the two or three games that he miss make sure you go. And you get Austin Eker in the tenth twelfth thirteenth round stash on your bench. You can replace him for a couple of games. I just Melvin Gordon is one of those players that I just think his too much production is too much production to leave on the table. To get David Johnson. Now David Johnson towards the end of the first round maybe early second round, great value. But and this point the draft is so many really good players just two or three picks. Moving up in the ADP makes a big difference. Yeah. As a stance right now. I think I'm still if I was on the clock today, still going David Johnson, just because the upside, I mean, would you agree that David Johnson has more side, the Melvin Gordon? Yes, because he's a little more explosive obviously and he catches. He has attention. I'm more accepting Melvin Gordon. We have on your team or your playing against fantasy seems like he's catching twenty balls game. But this is a guy who has never had more than fifty eight catches and a season. You know, especially when you contrast that with the, the saquon had ninety one catches in his rookie season, McCaffrey, who had over one hundred catches road say they rotate out a lot of running backs in LA. So I always I always think of Melvin Gordon as a pass catcher. And he's probably one of the more is extremely efficient. But the, the numbers are what they are. And I think David Johnson is somebody that has the potential to have fifteen to twenty total touchdowns to have eighty to one hundred catches the big questions the offense. I mean they upgraded the coach presumably in terms of offense, they upgraded the quarterbacks you can't really get worse. They added more weapons at the receiver position, which is only going to help David Johnson. So I think he's going to have a better season. How much better season is he going to have is you give me closer to the guy. We saw in two thousand seventeen. Yeah. And that's why. That's why if I were we do we do a league where it's called the Kentucky Derby style picks where you put in your draft preferences between one in however many players you have in your in your leaks one through twelve and my first, my first pick is probably one. Oh, four. Right. Like just gimme the gimme the one four, I'll take one of the big four at one, four after that, I'd like to get David Johnson. Maybe my second one is one three I let Johnson but I'm not gonna put in one five as more, my hydro preferences, because I don't want to be stuck taking him there. So I'll probably look at one zero seven or one eight hoping he goes there. But then I'm also playing with fire because if he goes, there, really don't want to be the person taking the first wide receiver off the board either. Because like when we talked about in the last podcast on the wide receiver tears. They're kind of all similar to where I'd like to get on the back end of that as well. So a little bit. Tricky there. Let's move to bell in this tier. What is his range of outcomes? What's the what's the upside was the low side in terms of where he finishes at the running back position? I think bowels upsides to your too. I don't I don't think he's going to end the year as the number one or number two running back or probably number three. I think he's going to be outside the top three best case scenario. And the downside is, he's somebody that we could look back and he falls into the tier six range, I think he could be and we'll go to your six. I don't know if we'll get to your six but I think he could be middle of the pack like productive. I think he's gonna finish the year as a downside is bore line. Rb one is up side is to your too. Okay. Tier four four running backs in this tier. We have James Connor mixing cook. Girly, walk me through this and right now who's your favorite others here? So first of all, I'm gonna say this, this, this here is extremely risky. I am. The values terrible with these guys. But they're all extremely risky in their own sense. Maybe with the exception of mixing because I think mixing, I think James Connor to me is all right. The second James Connor to me is the most risky. The one most scared off by an group and I had them in a dynasty got traded him. For this reason I wanna trade him at the peak of his value. This is a guy who Mustangs on a good running back. But he he needs the volume when he was at his best he was getting twenty one twenty four carries a game last season. The last what five games of the season. He had fifteen carries or less didn't top seventy yards. Once only three touchdowns out of his last five games. And they have Jalen Samuels. There's all these reports that they're going to spread the ball around more evenly. They're going to mix other backs in which makes sense. He's not Levy on bell. He's not a complete only he's going to be a complete workhorse. And if he's not that guy, he's not the guy we saw the first eight games of the season last year. That was an absolute beast. He's somebody that they could drop to a few tears least so to, to rank these, I would go, and they have Girling this. Here's James Connor, Joe mixon delve coke and girly. I struggle with ranking to be honest with you, if I had to rank them, I would go. Joe mixon tog early. Dalvin cook James Connor. Yeah. It's really telling what James Connor that from week, ten on which, I mean, we're talking half the season. Here he didn't didn't have than fifteen carrots as you mentioned, or sixty five yards, it's just very telling now he should be the goal line back, which is great also got injured, which is another sign that, you know, maybe he wasn't fit for that workload. You know, the drafting of another running back not super high. But you heard last year you know they'd love to get gene Simmons the ball more, but James Caan was playing really well in seeing that as Samuels learn the offense more, they did find ways to kind of get sprinkled in there. So there's definitely some concerns there now with his eighty p. I'm really curious James Connor. I mean, we're talking about only running back tears, but I want to get a gauge of whereabouts, would you like to take him. I think you're between a rock and a hard place with James car because you, you really can't let them drop too far. Some point you're like I hate him. But I he's a good example of player that I was hoping somebody else takes him. So I'm not putting this position because one more thing on James Caan twelve touchdowns last season. I don't know if he can repeat that Levy on bell, never had more than nine touchdowns in his five years with with Pittsburgh. So, I think when they they weren't Jalen Samuels and more, even James Connors, the quote unquote goal. I'm back is obviously not Levy on bell. I don't think he can repeat touchdown toiling. That's coming down is a guy that only put in fifty five catches, and that went down Jalen Samuels came enter the picture last season. So I think I don't think he tops fifty five catches. I look at the last year as as probably his career season. So I think he's probably two point. I mean, it's tough I'm not taking, I'm not taking him over Schuster, right? I mean, tell me if you disagree with any of these, I'm not taking him over Schuster, though, I'm not taking over, Mike Evans, and I'm higher on, like, Evanston, most people. But I'm not taking him over. Antonio Brown's close a might take him over Kelsey not taking over ODBC probably. I take him over Kelsey. I still I will not. I know how great Cousy is. But I'm still not into this Kelsey top fifteen pick. I can't get there. I just my mind is not they're ready for that on tight end and I don't wanna get down. Now, I would say, I would take James Connor probably over Damian Williams who will talk about in the next year. But I don't feel great about that. Like, Damian Williams has just as much upside. James connor. I think we're really leaning on the production that James Connor had last season. If you take him in the second round, you're hoping that, that these reports about them really spreading it around. You're hoping that he's going to be the I get a lot. I don't know. He scares me a little bit based on where he's going. You're paying a premium to get him. Second middle early second round. Yeah. Right. House was eighty two point one. Right. Which is, which is great for someone like both of us as great. You know what it's kind of like someone drafted David Johnson five probably somewhat near his peak of his value Jaffe him at. No real difference, where you think is outcome might be don't think he's going to finish as top five with the amount of touches that he's going to be projected for moved to mix a no. He's got some. He's got some crazy upside. I think I mean we have Zac Taylor coming in supposedly going to be running the Rams offense. I know the draft two running backs, you know, who knows. They're finished the year with three out of the final four games with over one hundred yards. If Zach killer uses anywhere similar to the Sean McVay offense with one running back the way that the Rams used Todd Gurley there is some crazy upside, you'll mix in because not only the goal line back. He can also catch passes in obviously going to be the workhorse. I think I think that change head coach could make a big impact on someone like Joe mixon. And you look at Giovanni Bernard if Giovanni Renard, if they can just kinda tuned him out. That's a lot of catches up for Grammy Giovanni, Bernard thirty five catches last season. Which doesn't sound like a lot for somebody to plays a minimal role like him in the terrible offense. Thirty five catches decent amount. So Joe mixon already proven somebody. They can give you a thousand yards and right around ten touchdowns to me with Joe mixing. It's are you a believer in him being a workhorse in the passing game two and a lot of people didn't things could do it. Zeke just flip that switch. And you near three just went gangbusters. In terms of this catches. So I think I think mixing get up in the sixty sixty to seventy range for receptions, if he does that we already know what he can do on the ground. The offense should be improved, which is why I would put him at the top that's here. I mean mix and I feel like a pretty good value here. Because let's just say he kind of does what he did last year. Which by the way, he missed two games because of a knee injury. Came back after that which was kind of surprised most people. But we're talking about a person had nearly three hundred touches last year ran five yards per carry mean fifty five. He had forty three catches. So. Almost fifty catches your your own. You really pretty good with that. If, if someone else is going to be the workhorse in the goal line back, only one, receiving touchdown, almost double digit nine total. Really all those numbers provide a really good in fourteen games, by the way, if the offense as a whole can just be better than Joe mixon, even with the similar like share percentage. Right if he's just he plays sixteen games offenses gets a little bit better. They're more scoring opportunities. And he still keeps like the same percentage of runs percentage of targets all of his numbers are going to just naturally increase. Yeah. I mean, he basically basically put up James Connor numbers last season in a year. And what you would your soom it's not even close to a career. Taibbi for Joe mix because he's second-year player. We assume he's got a lot of upside. And that's why which is why he's going right around the same rain James Connor gave you James Connor numbers and we expect those numbers for mixing to go up, whereas James Connor, we look at last year as maybe the high watermark, because I think the touchdowns will come down love Joe mixing, you know, we've seen eighty creep up now he's one point eleven so he's, he's somebody that might go in the first round when all said and done. Writes, let's move onto that was tier three set. So now we're onto to your four four t or four tier five we're going to total of sixteen years, tier five is Damien Williams, and Nick Chubb to people with. I mean especially Williams with the crazy range of outcomes break those down and where you see each one's upside and downside. Well, so I mean Damien Williams is we've been saying this for a while as the unsexy player based on any, he's twenty seven years old. He's not he's not a, a young running back like Joe mixon. He's been in the NFL for a while. But just based on his situation, plain and simple. He is he's he should be a stud in with mono Kareem hunt as the workhorse in drafter back. Right. They did draft running back in the late rounds. But he is going to be the guy. And as long as it looks that way, Damian Williams is somebody that you're gonna have to have to respect. And I think to me, I put him head and the Chubb he'd be ranking this year, I think you could make an argument that I could put him into your four. I think the fact that he's, he's twenty seven right? And he's been in the NFL for five seasons. He's kind kinda bounced around went to Miami or starting Miami for a few years. It was just basically a pass catching guy. Never never had more than fifty carries in a season. I think that's the reason why he is in this here and not to your four. But just he somebody that has the potential for big season and we have doesn't have long track record. He didn't play. You know he just played in a few games for Casey last season. But he was really big in those games and Nick Chubb, monster years, a rookie, the offense is going to be a lot better with Baker, they bring in Odell Beckham do Johnson, Mike it traded before the beginning of the season. No Croom hunt for a game. So I think Nick Nick chubby looking at pure upside. I think both these people you're looking at pure upside. They don't have a long track record. And which is the only reason why they're not into your four we have them into your five, but I think the upside, both these guys chub and Damian Williams. They easily find themselves in at least tier three range. Looking at ADP here as David Williams finished as the number three running back to last month of the season weeks, fourteen through seventeen Elizabeth three Derrick Henry one, Chris Carson was number two for any curious. Dimming Williams scenic Tra I could see myself drafting for sure. Demi limbs type of person that I'm trying to figure out where I feel comfortable just because. His his ranges, so crazy. I'm a little bit worried about his downside. So are you taking Damian Williams ahead of Tonio Brown? Put me on the spot in this one. That's the tough one that could go either way. I think part of it would come down to. I guess, if I had to make the decision right now, obviously, I would I would lean towards Damien Williams. I think Antonio Brown's has own question marks and I think part of it might depend on what I do in round one not not to a great extent. But like let's say I miss out on on the big four running backs. I have the fifth overall pick on saying, I would do this. Let's take the Andre Hopkins. You know, maybe follow that up with Damien Williams and sediment, Tonio Brown because I, I wanna get a potential stud running back in the first two rounds. I don't wanna go the first two rounds without getting a clear-cut Rb one. At least that has clear Rb one upside. So I think that might factor in a decision a little bit. You know, if I if I can get a Ziege, or Kamara or David Johnson Melvin one of those guys then maybe that change a little bit. Maybe I go in Tokyo Brown. I mean, I think they're really close. I know that I won't be taken them in the second round, I'll just I'll just I'll have enough people ring tire if it's Nick job or Adam. Phelan T Y Hilton. I mean, I just you take atom feeling t y Hilton over. Think so yet right now, I think right now. I think it's crazy. I don't think it's crazy. I. Have enough people in front of them where I'm not taking the second round. I'm pretty sure you know, we still have all training camp in. We'll see here. But I'm pretty sure that Damian Williams is going to be one of those types of players, like on the draft of rid you know on drafts we like to do like stay away from this player in this round. It's just there's not enough percentage of upside with societas risk to take him with the second pick is how viewing him right now. So I'm gonna go ahead and take the points win Mike Evans Hilton whatever Adam Phelan. And again I, I take the trouble for him. And then if he's there in the third big difference, I've got a couple of things Dame limbs, you say, take the points. I mean that's what I look at Amy Williams. I think he's kind of risky, because he's never been AVI guy before. But with no, Nick job, Casey used. They're running back extremely valuable and that offense specially with Pat Mahomes at the helm, this were any other guy than Daming Williams. He would he would be easily first round pick because his name is Damian Williams is the only reason you're getting him in the middle of the second round. So I realized that, but also we have to remember to these teams get stuck in a situation like Kansas City did. It's not like they had there were kind of thrusted he was rusted into that role. So I think a portion of his production was due to the situation that city found them. Selves with having to release Kareem hunt. So now we have in Austin and now now they have an off season to build more, you know. Okay. Damien Williams, these packages Carlos high. They bring in Carlos Hyde, who is a pretty decent pass catcher, which is Damien has made a lot of his points and production from, you know, there's just. Is your points with him because he's in the candidy offense. Yeah, but I don't know. Like we're still the second round she'll talking about some really nice players going around him. Well, I think I think David Williams is a really good example of a player where this situation is going to work itself out. Completely when we get too early to mid August, because I think so because at that point once train camp rolls through once preseason started, I think we're gonna have a much better idea of how we feel about Damien Williams impossible guy to make a decision right now, but mid mid August when we're doing drafts I think we'll have a much better grasp on. Okay. Do we like Dame lambs? Or do we not lie? Deeming williams. I just I offense it's really tough which is why, you know, Meco Hartman in dynasty leagues was a was a top ten pick and most drafts that offense alone is different animal that just based on that offense. And that situation, you have to you have to give his do and I'm not worried about Carl's height at all is a guy who had one season in San Fran. With fifty nine catches, never had more than twenty seven catches any other year in his career. I'm not we're about Carl's hide. I think damn Williams. Not offense is going to be really good. And I don't think middle to end of the second round is, is crazy. I think that's pretty solid value. But at the same time there are a lot of players in the middle of the second round. So I don't think it's outrageous to take the t y Hilton over him. But I personally would go with Damien Williams. Even as we sit right now in June. Okay. Let's move to our last here tier six. I've got some interesting feedback on this tier. So obviously, let you run in start with this. You have four net Freeman. Devante Freeman Marla MAC shakeups carry on Derrick Henry Aaron Jones, pretty big here. It was all pretty this is the point where where you have deterent start to get a little bit bigger. I it before for Wrangham or anybody meant to your you disagree with that you think doesn't belong here. There is two people that I think absolutely do not belong here. Which are they? Derrick Henry NPR league for sure, and devante Freeman. And on top of that we can address that. I, I think there is definitely one to two maybe three people you left out. So Philp Lindsey, potentially you're talking about. No. I just I you kind of mentioned it here in Rico in Torri Cohen. David montgomery. Okay. Well, I wouldn't put name garnering the tier absolutely not. So I don't I disagree with you on that. But I do think when I text you over these tears, and I was going through and looking at him like you know what to Rico in. You could put a record in this here. And I even said, I said to Ricco in at five point eleven which is whereas ADP is at right now, Debbie my favorite ADP for any running back. That's great value. So I have no problem with lumping in this here. But based on your as presently constituted with the tier six players. I sent you over Aaron Jones is in Demonte Freeman are the to materialise favourite. I think bear the bobbing. Vonnie Freeman is is a distant last place in this year, the only reason than I put in this tears, I still think would know Tevin Coleman and, you know, my boy, Leo Smith, if he doesn't turn into the Tevin Coleman than I think, in that offense in Atlanta. I think. Devante Freeman is going to be solid, and I've always talked about I've been saying I really do not like the Freeman. He won't be on any teams. But listen like we're at a point in the draft now to your six. If you put him last place, I would probably put him maybe slightly, head of Philip Lindsey. You can put your Recode honest here I would rather have three Cohen Freeman. So, so maybe I made him a good job. I you well timeout one player. So maybe I made mistake with freemen but I don't know. I'm trying to also play a little devil's advocate because a lot of you'll have them higher than me. So I would rank them. Well, this is your tears anyone else's so true. All right. So I'll rank I'll ring. I'd go Leonard fournette, one. I would go Josh Jacobs to outgo Marla MAC three. I would go Derrick Henry four or I go carry on Johnson, four, dear Derrick, Henry, five surprise of the cannery. I just think you always taught you always do this with people like PR league. I can't see taking. Well we're looking at overall points. And dare can we didn't last game? Season is just he was a man among boys. And now is he going to do that every single game season? No. But this is a guy who I mean Tennessee again they didn't draft running back. The only Dion Lewis, Dan Lewis isn't doing anything Derrick Henry has the potential to be somebody who gets over two hundred carries obviously over yards. He is going to be a touchdown monster. So what he d- doesn't produce in terms of receptions, he's going to potential to make four and touchdowns. And. Again, we're talking about somebody who I have at the back end of, of tier six. Right. So I think you're a little too hard on Derrick Henry, I don't love him. But again, we're talking about tier six. I think it's pretty good value for somebody that has the floor. The Derrick Henry has is going to have the workload that he will have the season to the floor. The Derrick Henry has is waivers, that's where he was during the fancy football championship. That's the floor. That's where he was last year before the final four weeks of the season. So before heading into week, fourteen he came into that week with no more. Let me repeat this. No more than fifty eight yards rushing in a single game. That's the four for Derrick. Henry. Okay. And how the end of the season I mean based on what he did the last four or five games of the season. He would he would be easily first round pick. So which he's not going in the first round. So is he closer to that guy that we saw the last two games? Or is it closer to the guy? We saw in the first half the season who like you just so eloquently put a waiver player. I think you kinda split the difference to some extent. I think he's going out of very reasonable spot in-draughts right now, which is four point. Oh, one fourth round, I only that's terrible. I think he's really close to carry on, and I love carry on more than most people carry on slightly out of him. But I would rather have him in Aaron Jones, I think it's close but I think I'd rather have your carry their Jones. It where would you put Derrick Henry? How far off am I was Henry? I mean, the guy is so touchdown dependent on a team that can't score touchdowns. Like that's the other thing too. It's like this is not that he's max while he had twelve touchdowns. I mean he could be on a team that can score touchdowns. And he can still have touchdowns just by virtue of somebody's going to get touchdowns on team at some point and he had twelve touchdowns last season. So many of them came in the last month. Okay. So are we going to five towns for the entire rest of the season? I the first half season. More heavily in the second half the season. I mean, which which games are we not just weighing the season here? We're what we're doing is we're weighing like four one quarter of the season. Twenty five percent of the season versus like seventy five percent of the season. And we're also looking at what he's done historically, which is he historically back. I two years, five five rushing touchdowns apiece. You know they had DeMarco Murray there for a little bit, especially his rookie season. I, I don't know. I don't like Derrick Henry. I don't like the offense. I don't like that. It can't catch passes and PR league. I don't like how the offense can't get in the red zone forum. There's nothing really that is exciting about Derrick Henry. Yeah. I think that you have to understand in the fourth round. These are all imperfect running back, which is why they are laser fourth fifth round guys. I think Dirk Henry. I don't think it's I think I'm growing on tell you where I'm taking Derrick, Henry you do that. You do that. I'm doing right now. I take him Darius guys in the six round. That's that probably take him in front of Daryl Henderson, six. All right. So he belongs behind James white behind Chris Carson in front of guys Daryl Henderson. That's where he belongs. Yeah. I mean he he definitely has. Yeah, I don't know. We'll, we'll even have that we've exhausted, the Derek. I don't think you spend more time talking about Derrick Henry, I will say something to Leonard for now letter for net has had a rocky kind of relationship with Jaguars in his first two seasons being overweight injuries kind of off the field issues and injuries is the biggest concern with Fornet like like is the case with all these running backs it seems, but I look at for net and I'm like, okay, this is a guy who look at his rookie season when he's been somewhat healthy even missing three games is two hundred sixty carries over a thousand yards. Nine touchdowns. Thirty six catches and I look at his first season similar to kind of how Zeke started off and now he's a poor man's Zeke. He's not Zeke, he's not as a fishing, he's not as good of a runner Zeke, but with Nick foles under center for the Jaguars who was a significant upgrade to Blake Bortles if they're off. Offense can take a marginal step forward with Nick foles and Leonard for that can stay pretty healthy play thirteen to fourteen games. At least there's no reason that we should expect him to get under a thousand yards ten touchdowns and under fifty catches. Like I could see him make pretty decent size jump in the passing game offer more production and PR leagues while still having the volume and still getting everything that, that you like with their canneries upside in terms of the touchdowns also, there's more upside more catches, I Leonard fournette is not only the number one guy in this group. I think he's somebody when I was looking at it. I almost put him in the tier with Damien Williams and Nick job. Yeah. I mean obviously, you can't just because no but I wanted to, but, I couldn't because of because the because the because of all the things I just mentioned all, you know, the, the injuries the offense we still don't know what it's like Nick foles, and we haven't seen him be this guy that's going to catch sixty seventy seventy balls a year. But I think he definitely has the potential, and I kind of, again, I kind of compare Zeke poor man's Zeke. Okay. Yeah. Let's move onto not really fight you on him per se. He's a player that typically haven't owned same here since he's been Lee, but it's fine with his upside and whatnot. I pretty much sounds like we're kind of an ingredient with Aaron Jones. Some question marks there. I like Jacob's carry on MAC. I think you're you're right on point there. I think there's definitely some room to maybe split up this tier. We talked about bring into Rico in three Cohen, you know, he's a role that is the reason why I put David Montgomery in this spot is is because to Recode is going to do. His Pacific role that they have them aligned for you know, he's going to he's going to run. Maybe a hundred times nine times last year. He had seventy catches for over seven hundred yards and five touchdowns. If he was a wide receiver. I mean you almost have to consider him a wide receiver, just listen to Hilton's numbers last year. Seventy six catches pretty much the same six such downs much same extra five hundred yards. And of course, cones more upside, which why going a little bit further. But to recall, an also has the has the advantage of the running back position you're starting wide receiver in the running back spot with three Cohen, the fact that he's going five point eleven. I agree with you. It's too low. He should be. He should be in this year. And then maybe you can discuss teams white as well. But I don't to get onto much tangent. He's not in your tier divvy. Montgomery, though, tell me why you don't think that he should be in this tier. Josh Jacob should knowing the fact that Jordan Howard finished last year. Final four weeks of the season as a seventh-ranked running back. We just talked about Derrick Henry's kind of splits, right? In. He had two hundred and fifty touches last year. Granted three point seven yards a carry during how he's obviously not a great running back. I don't know if they've at Montgomery's greater not we'll, we'll find out. But what I do know is that Rico ans locked into his spot, and as bad as Jordan. Howard was he still gets two hundred fifty touches and almost double digit rushing touchdowns. Shouldn't mcgary basically fall into that. Maybe I mean he wasn't. He wasn't close to the prospect, Josh Jacobs was coming out of college and I like Josh shape situation. A little more. I think that I think the offense is actually going to be sneaky good for Josh these. He's a better talent. I think we're splitting hairs a little bit because I think Dave Montgomery would be my next year. So am I saying that David Montgomery is somebody that is three or four rounds lower than Jacobs? No. But to me, I'm just banking on that mean. Oakland took Jacobs in the first round. Is gonna be the focal point or we think he's the focal point of their offense day Montgomery was taken the third round. And we who we don't know that he's bad of Jordan Howard. So I mean, look at the year sharp penny who's taking the first round there sharp penny had look at, you know what, what happened with Ronald Jones in Tampa Bay. So if it's not an elite talent, which I think you probably put Josh Jacobson, borderline, maybe leave town just based on the fact he was taken first round. Dave Montgomery's not that, and because he's not explosive and he's not athletically as gifted somebody's other guys. The fact that that raises a few more red flags as a rookie is just we don't know what to expect, and he's going to need a lot of all ume to justify taking him in the third or fourth or fifth round somewhere range. Yeah, I agree. In terms of he is behind, Josh checkups. He's not the same player in everything that you just mentioned. So I think the big thing here is that maybe if I was doing this tier split it up. I would have Gumri maybe with Aaron Jones in have Jacob. With MAC and carry on and four net and take out Freeman, Henry Jones, and maybe some people, I probably would split it up a little bit, because I think there's definitely a clear difference in terms of talent opportunities upside within just just as tier alone these players and the people that we've also added talked about. I think in that group honestly the player that the might have the most size Aaron Jones. I mean look at what he did last year Green Bay and it was a really weird situation where you had they still have Jamal Williams and they kinda shuffled around who their star was. We're talking about a guy who was as a fishing as they come five and a half carries five and a half yards per carry rather seven hundred twenty yards. Eight touchdowns catch the ball, probably the probably the most explosive out of the group in an offense with Aaron Rodgers. So Aaron Jones has a ton of e might have the most outside in that group. It's just how are those carries going to be divvied up. I think he's somebody that you could see the season gets closer. He is stock rises considerably. All right. So th any any parting thoughts on your sixteen years won't be discussed? You know, I I'll side from three Cohen who I even acknowledging our Tex chain. I think to recall when is somebody that I really, really like at five point eleven even his ADP moves up Derrick Henry, your I might be a little bit high on him. I still think I still think justifiably higher than you think you're too low on them, but I think. I don't really have the place I think felt Lindsay is somebody that, that didn't belong in this year, sunny, Michelle somebody that didn't belong to any of these tears, like, you know. So I don't think there's anybody outside to recon that I left out that I think deserves to be in there. Is there is there, anybody that I didn't mention we didn't cover the you think you know, we, we did a great disservice to leave him out leaving them out. No. I pretty much. You know, wanted to bring in to Rico into conversation. I think the one that we didn't really touch on that, if you, if you made its Rico a-and argument, then why wouldn't you make the James white argument, I guess? I think recall is much more explosive. I mean he has much more. Upside, I don't think that James white. I think we know James white is what he is. And they brought in Daming Harris the draft. They have sunny Michelle, I don't see a path for James white to really. He's going to be extremely frustrating profanity on us because those games where we already know it doesn't get any carries at all. So that's why left James whiteout. I'm the one player I was going to say that, you know, just real quick. I agree. That's why bring them up earlier. But, you know, someone listening might think, hey, these are the same players and their close. But I think that you just kind of made some good points in terms of what is different about them that would force to Recode be ahead of James white with three call? You're, you're, you're a believer in his talent. And that goes along ways when you talk about five eleven he's using he's typically used more consistent, James wise. He's pretty consistent. But you. Have this weird games with, with the patriots working catch us thirteen and then catches three the next game. And then he also doesn't run the ball nearly as many times as we come into. I mean there's a good chance that to Rico in also like one running back away from turning into a Damian Williams. Where the white is just never going to happen because they've gotten teen they'll bring somebody from the practice squad, and they'll get twenty carries over doing why I think the only other player that maybe we should've mentioned or I could easily put into your six Chris, Carson, Chris Carson gets enough. Love one of my I say him, he's another player. I love. I love three Cohen's ADPL's a love Chris Carson in the fifth round, you really can't go wrong with Chris, Carson. So I think he's not a player that I don't mean maybe I didn't give enough love with those tears. He's only put in that year as well. All right perfect. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 543 The FIrst Week In Review

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 543 The FIrst Week In Review

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It is Monday and we've all gone through one of those spiritual days in America. That's right. It was week one Sunday. A full slate of games were on display and it was a good one couple great games around the league and of course with a couple more in action later tonight. Everyone will have week one under their belts and here at the start of our podcast. I GONNA get talking around the League at what was going on. I hope everyone when Hata fantastic weekend I spent my entire time watching football myself. Saturday had a great slate of college action games capped off by that. Lsu Texas game down in Austin in Texas a great one right there. Lsu Poland now won out over the Longhorns then of course on Sunday. It was all football all the time kicking off at ten. AM here on the West S. Coast and did not end until the Sunday night battle that was really a blow out between the Patriots and the steelers. We're GONNA take our time here and just explore the League after week. One see what we like what we didn't like and see where we go from here for some teams as well of course on Thursday everything got started with that bears packers game the packers pulling it out and then and the redskins and the Eagles had a big match up there in Philadelphia Carson Wentz leading that phillies squad and he looked shaky start art to say the least wins not on his game for the most part of the beginning redskins jumped out that early lead case keenum for the skins look solid at the quarterback spot in the added that offense role in the defense also kind of keep in Wentz on his heels then when Scott comfortable and he started gun slinging and it was a familiar face for Philadelphia fans that really got that team electrified and that was that of the calbears former wide receiver Sean Jackson D Jax Back in his number Ten Jersey for the Eagles and doing what he does best turn and burn down the sidelines a couple of fifty plus yard touchdown receptions for Sean Jackson got his his team going and they took off from there the end up taking that game in a Comeback Victory Thirty two to twenty seven Redskins kept pace for the most part but wants to Sean Jackson got going really opened up the offense for Carson Wentz he really settled in after connecting on that first bomb up the same route to Sean Jackson that opened up Erz Darren sproles roles got heavily involved as well Jordan Howard miles sanders all the running backs in that committee in the Backfield for the Eagles doing good work and Carson wentz steals steals a victory from the jaws defeat a one Oh start for the eagles in that NFC into Sean Jackson thirty one now career touchdowns of fifty plus jarred second most in NFL history. That's what he does and the Eagles happy to have him back in. It just looks right to Sean Jackson in Eagles uniform. That's what that's what you expect to see on on Sundays so glad to see Jack back out there doing what he does. He looked so much more comfortable in that system really happy for the guy these refound success but now we move on to another another matchup another close game bills and jets and what a wild one this one was the New York jets and the buffalo bills. Neither of them really wanted the to play offense in this one for the most part the jets scored on a pick six on a tip drill. Cj Moseley the the middle linebacker for the jets takes shakes it to the house they jump up six nothing and it stayed that way for majority of the game actually neither offense could really get anything going the Josh Allen Sam Darnold the matchup at quarterback left a lot to be desired but the jets were able to jump out to a sixteen to nothing lead and then the bills decided that they wanted to play some football they end up coming back on the road against the jets. Take that one seventeen to sixteen a wild one that difference in the scoring on the pick six the place kicker for for the jets missing the extra point and that pat went wide the jets ended up losing by that one point so a tough one out there for New York jets fans a classic classic jets lost though so close to start off WanNa know just could not get it done but you gotta take your capped Josh Allen and the bills leading that comeback charge big win for buffalo flow there just to get off the season on the right foot then we go back to the Mid West here with the Vikings hosting the Falcons in what looked like it was gonna be a pretty wild shootout Matt Ryan in that offense always can be poised for a big game you got Julio Jones Calvin really healthy devante Freeman Austin who Brett tied and really promised almost to be a big scoring game for both sides granted Minnesota Vikings defense is one of the better defenses the NFL but you'd have to think with the passing attack of Ryan and that the Falcons offense they were gonNA put some points on the board but instead it was the vikings that jumped out to score early and often and it was behind the fresh running back Dalvin even cookie pops off to rushing touchdowns in this game he's back he's healthy and he showed it looked like one of the best running backs in the NFL on Sunday. There is every every time he touched the ball. It looked like he take it to the House and he got the vikings out to an early lead kirk cousins only throwing ten passes he goes eight of ten for about ninety ninety seven yards but that's all they needed in the twenty eight to twelve win the defense for the vikings fantastic game for them really kept the falcons down a last minute touchdown down for Julio Jones Save Face a little bit there for Atlanta but still a route out in Minnesota the Purple People Eaters Crab Win Number one on the year and they look like a tough tough team to beat you gotTa Stop Delvin Cook First and foremost it looks like in that offense as they really focused on getting him carries get him reacclimated to NFL game and he looked all all ready for the challenge. Falcons got to figure it out defensively they looked out of sync offensively as well even with Julio Jones and Matt Ryan that connection. That's been there for so so long just couldn't really get on the right page in that offense so something that they are going to need to address here before week to rears its ugly head for them and now we you go down to Florida in what was one of the biggest beat downs we've seen in the NFL for some time. The Baltimore Ravens just absolutely take it to the Miami. Dolphins opens fifty nine to ten Lamar Jackson was spectacular. We'll talk about but out him more as the show goes on in greater detail sale a fantastic game for Lamar though to say the least he came out ten of ten to start his day for the passing attempts he puts up fifty nine points five touchdowns for Lamar Jackson Two touchdowns rushing for Mark Ingram so the Baltimore Ravens they went out. They got their guy running back. Mark Ingram had a fantastic career career. He really did so well in the Saints Backfield as the main guy and as the one guy to change of pace with Alvin Kamara they marking or goes was into Baltimore Two touchdowns one hundred seven rushing yards really show that he can do it. He didn't even really catch any passes out of the backfield. That's another skill that Ingram does have as a pass catching back back so they had didn't even really need to use that the other big story in that Baltimore Ravens game was Marquees Hollywood Brown two touchdowns sounds on two receptions for the rookie a hundred and thirty yards of offense now just on the first two passes to him not something you see every day of burner out there at the wide receiver seaver spot cousin of Antonio Brown and he showed it right there huge game for Hollywood in his first action in the NFL he announces says his presence with authority and the Ravens look like they have a big time threat at the wide receiver position was exactly what they need to offset the rushing attack of Mark Ingram coupled with the dual threat capabilities of Lamar Jackson and like we said we'll talk more about Lamar Jackson in greater detail. Here is our goes on but we're going to look at it. What was another below Ou- game that chiefs take it to the Jaguars in this game was close for a while until the devastating blow was the injury to Nick Foles we talked about Nick foles in our last show on Friday about how he's been so good in the playoffs but really as a starting quarterback in the NFL has fallen on tough times of consistent play? He looks so good for Jackson the early goings but he gets his collarbone broken when he got hit as he threw but he went out with a blaze of glory a beautiful mutable pass to the back corner of the endzone a bomb from Nick foles. If you haven't seen it look it up on the highlight reels it was a fantastic throw a perfect pass for the touchdown catch team minute but he broke his collarbone on the hit he took right as he let the ball co that ended his day but Garner minhsiu the second the rookie quarterback we're back out of Washington state. He kept his team around twenty-six points to forty. It's not too bad for Jacksonville considering they had to keep pace with that. Patrick mahomes offense garner mentioned fourteen of seventeen passing. That's exactly what you want out of your rookie thrown into his first. NFL action he looked solid back there. He looks like a quarterback that can really lead his own team at some point of his career but Jacksonville is GonNa need him to do that. A little bit earlier than anticipated Nick foles going to be out probably six to eight weeks with a collarbone injury injury like that so garner mints you can be thrown right into the fire the Jacksonville Jaguars defense though one of the premier defenses in the NFL got exposed by this chiefs. She's offense Patrick Mahomes make it look so easy throws for three hundred I believe two yards passing in the just the first half of action of that game he ended up game game with about three hundred and eighty plus yards of passing on the day a bit of an ankle injury from a homeless pretty shook it off didn't miss any game time for it so nothing that he should be too worried worried about the chiefs jump out to a one nothing excuse me at one start to their season Jacksonville Jaguars Owen one but they look solid they can get good quarterback quarterback playing their defense can ratchet it up. They could be a team that can make a run in their respective division. One of the more surprising results of Sunday's action action was the result of the Cleveland browns playing host to the Tennessee Titans and it always happens it seems like in the NFL teams get hyped up preseason. We saw this one Michael Vick and the Eagles formed quote unquote super team out in Philadelphia. They got to the playoffs but nothing more we've seen in a couple of other times the NFL when big free free agent acquisitions happen. Maybe a couple especially in one offseason for a particular team and the hybrid really starts to build in this age of social media doesn't help tamper that hype at all and this time it was the Cleveland browns getting all the talk that Baker Mayfield Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham Junior Nick Chubb is was getting hyped up as the next great running back and what we saw from the Cleveland browns was disarray on the offensive side of the ball and an absolute collapse on the defensive offensive side of the football all this talent on Cleveland you can't argue with that they have one of the most talented rosters player to player in the NFL but schematically just it left a lot to be desired and the Tennessee titans took advantage of that Marcus Mariota led his titans offense Derrick Henry Fantastic Day two rushing touchdowns for the big former former Alabama running back as he's looking to have a fantastic season out there in Tennessee and he got started off on the right foot of the browns have some issues to address Baker Mayfield led his team team down and score a touchdown their opening drive to get the season underway but it was really all downhill from there is the browns just could not get anything going even with that elite Talent Talon on the offensive side of the ball that Tennessee titans defense kept them bottled up all game long turnovers hurt Mayfield as well some ill-advised passes created extra extra opportunities for the titans they took advantage Wayne that game by thirty one of the bigger upset upsets and bigger blowouts of opening week one browns of not one a week one game since two thousand four and since the turn of the century they've only won one game on week one they've lost eighteen and tied one on as well as we're GONNA take another look here at one of the closer games in the NFL the rams and the panthers this one. If you're watching it was a good one it was back and forth with all game long Christian McCaffrey and His Excellency on Display for Panthers team. They have Cam Newton still nursing that ankle injury a little bit but Christian McCaffrey he took over in that game to keep his team close jared goff in the Rams sputtered a little bit out of the gate but got it together dog early rush for ninety seven yards and though Sean mcvay mcvay said that he wasn't going to have a snap counter a pitch count he was going to be in as much as they could get him in there you only had nine rushes at one point deep into the fourth quarter. He ends today. We're just ninety. Seven yards wasn't really a factor in the passing game so todd Gurley. We're not exactly sure what is up early but he clearly was not is not the Todd Gurley we remember at least by this week one performance his usage just not the same Malcolm Brown two touchdowns rushing for the rams that Kinda shows right there they went away away from early on goal line plays and just times you expected to see number thirty in there. He was absent from the game. The Rams did take thirty to twenty seven. They lean on that defense a little bit just to hold off the panthers in that fourth quarter Christian McCaffrey like we said did all he could but just not enough as the panthers fall short by three three in their opening contest at home rams a big win on the road there to get started to one and a record panthers GonNa look to rebound but one thing we do know about that Panther squad squad McCaffrey is looking to have a huge season. He's a guy that out rushing the ball fantastic he can catch the ball in space. He's running routes like a wide receiver. The main is all all over the field. You're just waiting for him to touch the ball. They was impressive to watch from the former Stanford running back and going to be a fun season as long as McCaffrey stays healthy. We could really see something and special from number twenty. Two as the season goes on RAMS GONNA look to improve that passing attack goffin his wide receiver especially Brandin cooks just a little out of Sync Gov at times missing guys like Cooper Cup that had those intermediate routes they were open golf made some ill-advised throws but they still come out with the thirty to twenty seven Evan wind do the rams were going to keep looking around the NFL review in week one action here on the GSM see football podcast. We'll take a short break and we will return. We're GONNA look at another close game. The bengals and seahawks came down to the wire out in Seattle. We'll be right back with more an analysis here on the GMC football podcast. 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Andy Dalton passes for a career high four hundred eighteen yards in the loss for the bengals and the one of the big extorted for Cincinnati Joe Mixing just an unproductive day I running back with he came up a little injured on one of the plays definitely left led to his lack of production and he's a the guy they need. He was the rushing champion in the AFC this last season and he's got that offense is really gonNa lean on especially without Aj Green is going to be mixing and Tyler Boyd Tyler effort. I tied end in that game a lot for the bengals as a receiving option but the seahawks behind an impressive day from Chris Carson's at running back Carr's long with decay metcalf so much hype around him after his physicality was noted in the Columbine and in some Jim Pictures The hawks drafted him and they really a used him a lot he was one of the top targets in the offense for Russell Wilson Tyler Lockett stretch the field for a big touchdown late in that game as the Hawks rate will take twenty one twenty twenty so they keep pace with the rams both of those. NFC West team starting off one or no Bangles on Oh one starring tough when they're on the road look I might be able to steal one in in Seattle but the hawks able to hang on and Pete Carroll gets win number one of the two thousand nineteen season a lot of close games in week one of of course that one and not to be outdone by the chargers and colts game in San Diego Austin editor the running back for the San or excuse me the Los Angeles this chargers as Austin cler game winning seven yard rushing touchdown in overtime he was of course the backup to Melvin Gordon who's still in his holdout an echo look fantastic in this game taking the place of Melvin Gordon and the production was there a fantastic game one of the lead options in that offense for the <hes>. La chargers as Philip rivers did what he normally does just picked apart the colts defense for thirty points twenty four twenty four as as they went into overtime the chargers got the ball to begin in the colts. Never saw charged one right down the field score that game winning touchdown Jacoby perset looked very solid as as the new lead man under center for the Indianapolis Colts Marlin mce fantastic game rushing popped off one hundred and forty forty five yards with a touchdown as I was still with time left to go in that game and Jacoby were set it was interesting you thought with Marlin mackey was going to be so so tough for him. The rush with Andrew Luck on you'd think that the boxes we're going to be stacked. Everyone knows that Marlin Mac had a really nice season last year. especially the back half of that twenty eighteen season you would think that all the linebackers all the defensive backs would be keyed in on trying to stop the calls running in and make your copay beat him with his arm but he showed that he had the capability to do that. He and T. see why Hilton hooked up Multiple Times in that game for some big yardage plays Eric E. at tight end was really nice option for Bruce set as well so that opened up for Marley okay Mac and he gashed that defense look for the colts. Maybe a little bit of a surprise offensively here as the two thousand nine hundred season goes on a tough Oh and one star for them a big one for the chargers the colts even without Andrew lucked still looking dangerous on the offensive side of the ball and as it goes with all the overs and unders and lines that get put on games each and every week it's so interesting to see how the scores shake out and the forty niners buccaneers game the line was fifty combined points for the two teams and of course it ends forty eight total points the buccaneers and niners there was no offense in this game for the majority of the back half especially in the fourth quarter both teams decided to start going at it and it was the forty niners defense that one then this game to pick sixes Richard Sherman his first interception return for a touchdown as a forty niner they'd beat the buccaneers thirty one seventeen Jameis Winston a tough game for famous James the former Florida Boorda's state seminal really struggling this with three interceptions on the day really looked out of sync he had the one touchdown pass to Chris Godwin was threatened in. They're quite nicely beating Richard Sherman on the coverage for the forty niners. Jimmy Garoppolo Garoppolo didn't look fantastic either in his season debut the niners get the job done a big win on the road against Tampa Bay a one star in the NFC West had a very nice week one here in the NFL season the buccaneers Oh and one's GonNa be a tough off season for them. Just no real running back options there as we saw Peyton Barbara Ronald Jones the second both with underwhelming performances and it's tough running behind that buccaneers line and a lot of offensive weapons for Winston. He's got Mike Evans Chris Godwin. OJ Howard just really couldn't get anything going in the passing game and Winston was benched inched in favor of Fitzpatrick last season. He's in danger of that again. If he continues this play as he had in week one but we'll see as the season goes on buccaneers a team to watch it might be making a move of that quarterback spot in the niners happy to get this start one as they're really looking for the Jimmy Garoppolo era to begin out in San Francisco. We we had another huge divisional match up here in week. One who was the cowboys and giants one of the oldest rivalries in football and this one not as close the giants were hoping to blow out in favor of the cowboys thirty five to seventeen but even though the score makes it look a little closer than it really was on the field cowboys dominant in this one that Dallas Alice offense looked fantastic DAK prescott fantastic day four passing touchdowns ties a career high Ezekiel Elliott didn't look like he missed a beat out there. He had a solid game game Amari Cooper the new number one option after being traded to Dallas from the Oakland Raiders last season had a nice game as well Michael Gallup opposing him as the number two wide receiver in that offense for Dallas looked like he was going to be just that another good wide receiver option for Dak Prescott who really picked apart a giants defense defense that just doesn't have too many weapons on that side of the ball. Eli Manning and Saquon Barkley did what they could have Ingram had a nice game at tight end but there was just no stopping Dallas offense as they cruised to a WanNa know start to their season and wrap up the last two games of action gotta talk about the cardinals and the Lions aliens a game where we saw some rookies really showing out the number eight overall pick. TJ Hopkinson out of Iowa the tight end for the lions this y you draft a tight end at number eight overall. You'RE GONNA use them a hundred and thirty one receiving yards and a touchdown in his first. NFL Action so some rookies around the League we had saw Marquees Marquees Hollywood Brown with a great game now TJ Hopkinson out there with a fantastic game at tight end Eric Hebron thrived in that system with Matt Stafford quarterback spotted Hopkinson no different he was getting targeted regularly in that passing offense Marvin Jones junior and Kennedy Golladay the other two big weapons for Stafford in in an underwhelming day for the running back Kerryon Johnson his he had sixteen rush attempts just could not get going and get over the fifty yard mark in this one and and that's one of the reasons that allowed the cardinals to come back so much passing from Stafford losing completion stop the clock and there was enough time for cuyler Murray to figure it out as he had horrendous first half for the Arizona cardinals but he figured it out especially in the fourth quarter he started firing on all cylinders. The former heisman trophy winner from Oklahoma showed why he was number. One overall picky led his team back to tie the game at twenty four apiece he forces overtime. They get the ball to the cardinals to begin overtime Murray drive them down the field. They get a field goal and then the Lions and Stafford in response Matt Prater banks through a field goal their own. The game ends in twenty seven twenty seven anti but an impressive showing for Cuyler Murray here we rebounded nicely. It just looked like the lions were gonNA cruise this win but Murray pulled his team back and at least was able to force a tie to begin the season for the Carl's. You'll take it if you watch the majority of that game it really look like the lions were just GonNa cruise but without an effective running game they just really couldn't establish rush a lot of control a lot of possession as the game got into the later stages that allowed the cardinals and with Larry Fitzgerald the wide receiver spots sometimes collar mergers had to throw it up turn. Let the big man go get it was sixteen years in the NFL Fitzgerald still doesn't look like he's missing a beat out there some huge catches for him not only the touchdown to to force overtime as well as he makes the big grab to get them into field goal range of bomb from Carlisle Murray that he hauled in down the left hand side line able to push that twenty seven twenty-seven tyne impressive start for the cardinals and then impressive start for the Lions Matt Stafford throws for about three hundred thirty yards of offense out there for Detroit and they look look pretty good if they can establish Kerryon Johnson that offense really could have some very viable weapons and then we're going to look to the Sunday night football game and this was a massacring massacring by the Patriots they showed whether the defending champs and they showed why they're going for another super bowl ring this season they get the steelers in Foxborough. Ben Rothlisberger Burger has had zero success in his career going into foxborough five and no is Tom Brady in that matchup regular and postseason games and this one was no differ make it six no for TB twelve thirty three to three just beating by the Patriots as they looked unstoppable on offense so many any weapons Sony Michelle only Russia's for fourteen yards. He was really a non factor as that was the one piece of the offense that the steelers defense could control Tj wotton those linebackers Akers Devin Bush the rookie just draft in the top ten by the steelers this season they were able to stop Sony Michelle cold in this game but James White catching passes is out of the Backfield Julian Edelman Josh Gordon the flash himself look fantastic in this one some big grabs for him and you just saw Tom Brady surgical like has ever just picking apart that secondary for the steelers really just exposing that defense for thirty three point Gostkowski with some good field goal kicks as well the steelers just three points it looked like he was gonNA be coming out party potentially for Juju Smith Schuster but was such a tough match-up Stefan Gilmore the lead cornerback for the Patriots and one of if now the best quarterback in the NFL pretty much locked Juju Smith Schuster down he did have six receptions in the game on about eight targets but just really couldn't get any big plays going big Ben. He led the League in passing with fifty one hundred passing yards last season just to not look right here in game one you try to attributed to the fact that the Patriots or the Patriots isn't that defense was just too good in that game they had so much time to prepare and because of that preparation they're able to shut down the steelers entirely so you're hoping that Big Ben can figure it out and the steelers in week to an cupcake matchup against Miami will be able to get back on the right foot but in this one big Ben to not look great number seven Eban for the steelers old reliable had a tough game out there. They're gonNA need to really figure something out on the offensive meeting room prior to their week to match ups here in the NFL as they they just got exposed the Patriots though a one of those start a dominant one annot star Tom Brady I quarterback with three hundred plus passing yards in a game at the ripe age of forty forty two plus as Tom Brady now we'll get another weapon in Antonio Brown. We'll talk more about that as well as the show goes on here on the GMC football podcast cast. We're GONNA look at the game coming up here however Monday night Texans going into the Superdome to play the saints. It's going to be a nice quarterback order back match up there in New Orleans going to Shawn Watson against drew brees could be a high scoring affair. I would look for the saints to take this one. Though it's home opener it's week one in the superdome and it's drew brees. It's Michael Thomas. It's Alvin Kamara that's going to be a potent offense. Once again this season the Texans defense no slouch themselves probably on the better defenses in the NFL of course we have Jj Watt. You always have a chance but there's very little hope to keep this saints offense contain Shawn Payne and drew brees drop a fantastic game plan. I'm sure look for the saints to impose their will offensively Texans. I'm sure what the Shawn Watson looking to do some damage their own they got new running back to Johnson in the backfield and of course they have nuke out there on the wideout spot de'andre Hopkins Look and have a big week one could be a shootout saints defense though however has looked solid last season they were one of the better defenses in the NFL. They had a nice to have a nice secondary real lockdown corner and Marcus lattimore look for the saints to be able to pull this. One album should be a high scoring affair expect the saints the score probably around forty points as is usual for them on opening nights. You could see the Texans go for about maybe twenty seven respectively and then we're going to look to the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum for what could be or should be at least the last season on Oakland for the Oakland Glenn Raiders. They're playing host to the Denver Broncos and this is going to be an interesting match up no Antonio Brown as he is gone so raiders new number one wide receiver is going to be tyrel Williams looked for Darren Wall Waller at the tight end spot to have an increase roll especially with a BB gun hunter renfro the Clemson wide receiver in so many big games for the Tigers going to try to make a big pro debut as well. We've already seen a couple rookies do it can he do it as well Josh Jacobs another rookie on the offensive side of the ball for the raiders needs to have a big game at the raiders. Take this one. It should be an interesting running back matchup Josh Jacobs for the Raiders Philip Lindsay trying to follow his up his all pro season with a good starting week one for the broncos he should be fed early and often in this one joe flacco at the quarterback spot relearning a new broncos offense could be leaning on his is running back in that backfield to really push them through raiders defense projected to be one of if not the worst in the NFL very young a lot to prove. It should be an interesting game between those two U. F. C. West rivals always bad blood between them when they square off so it should be a fun one out there in Oakland as the night will be dark and the stadium will be loud for the raiders but saints most likely take it over the Texans. If I had to pick out probably say the Broncos are just going to be too consistent on offense flacco. He'll take his shots when he can but that defense for the broncos are GonNa look to stop the run. Make Derek Carr beat him that something that car really Ha- just hasn't been able to do ever since he broke his leg in twenty sixteen. It's a big prove it year for DC out there in Oakland. It should be a fun one tonight as we're GONNA. Take a break and we're GONNA come back. We're going to take a look around the league bit more here at other games that that went on in the NFL when we return here on the GSM see sports football podcast. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and attacking your peace of mind it's pain and getting in between you and a life you want to live. CBD Medic targets your pain added source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free soil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat week. You're or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time. 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Mame Dash podcast don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit GSM see podcasts dot com for more INFO uh-huh and as we jump back in here on the GMC football podcast David's this Ellington here with the we've talked about all the Games on Sunday of football action. We've gone over a bit of the Monday night action of we're GONNA see upcoming here later this evening evening. Now it's time to go back and look at some of the highlight really some of the great players of week one and really some of the interesting performances that we saw from some teams and we start of course with the Sean Jackson Great Game Out there in Philadelphia so happy to see that guy doing well Carson Wentz really out of sorts in that one until he started hooking up with Sean Jackson he had a monster game did g jacks went through for three touchdown passes as well eagles trying to be dangerous again that Defense Really Kinda got tested a bit with the redskins. It's not something that was expected going into the game so eagles a lot to figure out as the season goes on but we had a big matchup of second year quarterback Sam Darnold Josh Allen going at it in the jets home stadium but the bills take it seventeen sixteen. We've talked about this one and Josh Allen so much hype around him coming out of the draft out of the university the University of Wyoming the big running capable quarterback with the gunslinger arm and the bills went out. They got their guy so much hype around him and really they just haven't seen much from Josh Allen in the ways of development as he really struggled against the jets defense that for the most part of this game held him down the fourth quarter it started simply. Cj Moseley the middle linebacker really leader that jets defense got hurt at once that happened that defensively lost that cohesive edge they had for most of the game and the bills Israel to score on some bigger plays and they were able to pick apart the jets down the stretch to steal that game out from under New York but on the other side of all Sam darnold another guy with so so much promise coming out of USC the Trojans quarterback really had so much hype around him of another big pick. The jets got their guy that they were excited about. He was picked right after Baker Mayfield when number one overall to the browns and darnold in we in year one for the jets underwhelming but you could see that there were glimmers here and there every every now and then he had a big game for the jets passing wise and he didn't do terribly in this one either Robbie Anderson had a nice game at the wideout spot for the jets but but other than that Darwin just that inconsistency still remains for him under center and that's something that the jets need to figure out a way to get him more calm in the pocket it more reliable I also has some of his passes or right on the money and some you just started left shaking your head so donald a guy that has so much promise but really in year two who doesn't look like he's really ready to put it all together for this New York jets team but the defense for the jets at big highlight for them in that one and then Dalvin Cook a guy you gotTa talk about about we'll talk about him on our fancy podcast as well as he was tremendous for the Vikings and on the other side of the ball Matt Ryan really struggled for the Falcons had his timing looks so so off we even with Julio Jones Calvin Ridley had that one touchdown catch nice throw by Ryan there on the wheel routes Ridley but other than that really that play in in particular the Falcons offense held down by this defense of the Minnesota Vikings so the Falcons with what is always one of the highly regarded offenses is in the league came out with just a whimper on Sunday in that twenty eight to twelve loss but one of the big players want to talk about here on this segment is going to be Lamar Jackson so many questions around around the Louisville quarterback when he got drafted people were saying you should be a wide receiver these fast but he's just now. NFL type quarterback we've heard this song and dance with so many guys coming out of college these run pass option quarterbacks and Lamar Jackson did it so well for Louisville rose them to prominence moments and there's just so much negativity around him. Come draft time. The Ravens ended up taking him at the very back end of the first round and everyone was questioning why the ravens instead that they said you could wait they said why did you draft him. As a quarterback he's more valuable as a wide receiver and this was his big chance to prove everyone wrong. He had a great matchup against the dolphins. If he was going to have a big game it was gonNA be right here right out of training camp and sure enough. Lamar Jackson comes out four touchdowns right off the bat. No Oh problem. He looked a fantastic in this game ten of ten to start he hit Hollywood brown the rookie wide receiver out of Oklahoma for some huge gains and in the passing game too long touchdown Hollywood hundred thirty yards on those two passes combined for those two guys and Lamar Jackson definitely a force to be reckoned with in Baltimore lab to see as it goes on with Mark Ingram in that backfield the Ravens really have a nice complimentary offense there you can run the ball with Mark Ingram Twenty Times Times a game no problem. He's a bell cow back you can also do a little. RPO With Lamar Jackson you can put drops in place for him to run the ball and of course he can throw as he showed tremendous accuracy tremendous velocity on the ball really great game from the Mark Jackson so excited for this young man in his second year in the NFL really getting a shot to prove himself himself and he's shown that the ravens made the right move and that they're gamble for now is definitely paying off and then on the flip side of that coin is the disappointments from week one in that has to be highlighted by the Cleveland browns forty three to thirteen dredging that would was given to them by the Tennessee Titans and and Baker Mayfield Hewlett very good on the opening drive goes right down scores a touchdown no problem Brown's look like they're gonna just rip and rip it in this game and then after that something happened in that Brown offense they lost all capability to push the ball down the field even with so much talent Nick Chubb really got bottled up in this game no oh running game for the George running back as he really struggled in this one and that really kinda fueled the fire on the offensive side of the ball for the browns as they crumbled underneath the need that Baker Mayfield forced to drop back in pass made some ill advise throws trying to thread it through coverage and because of that he just really couldn't get anything going and the Brown that forty three to thirteen loss a tough one there in Cleveland you gotta rebound from it but we'll have to see as it goes on all that talent but you've got to have a the system around those players if you're gonNA have success browns with a tough loss big win for the Titans Marcus Mariota another prove your for him much like Derek Carr these quarterbacks trying to show show that they're still worthy of having the main role in these offenses on the NFL side of the ball and Mario good game in week one to get things going underway for Tennessee him coupled with Derrick Henry could be a good one two punch for the titans as we keep looking around the league at some performances we talked about Christian McCaffrey free already an amazing game out there in Carolina for the running back and then Jacoby perset another guy we wanna touch on both he and Marlin Mac tremendous games even in a lost the charters and over time you have to be pretty encouraged if you're a colts fan after watching perset his hookups with ty healed looked really solid his passes to Ibran and the other weapons bins that offense were fantastic and Moreland Mac just imposed his will one hundred and forty five rushing yards basically through three quarters of that game he was just dashing the chargers defense defense and that's a good defense they got Bosa Derwin James Hayward they have really solid defensive backs in front seven as well and they just could not stop Marlin Mac he was a freight train that just got loose in that game impressive there for the colts running back really look like he could be something special in that offense and the other offense that really showed up was the dallas cowboys offense the Big Three of Prescott Zeke and Cooper did would you expect it to do they were as advertised and there's a lot of hope in Dallas right now as well. There should be tremendous game for them. All around defensively Jalen Smith the middle linebacker fantastic comes back off that horrifying fine leg injury and he's having himself pretty nice. NFL career he just got re assigned to a big money deal then he's paying off vanderbilt the other linebacker. That was another guy that the cowboys drafted the Mark Jackson people were asking so many questions. Why did you draft vander rush so early for not first round talent? This isn't where you're supposed to go you you guys reach for him and the cowboys just proved the haters wrong. Advantage has been fantastic for them in that linebacker spot he and Smith really a force B reckon within the the middle that defense for this cowboys team and that defense built around that good linebacking core are just flying all over the field. They're young. They're aggressive. They're hungry and they're getting the ball back to Prescott in good field position. They're managing the clock. Well cowboys could be poised for what could be a pretty good season look for them to make a playoff playoff push as it goes on as long as they can keep everyone healthy and look like they did in week one are GonNa be a tough team to beat in the NFC as they just gave it to the giants thirty. Five seventeen is the giants won't have regarded as the worst one of the worst teams in the NFL this season upcoming but still an impressive win for the cowboys it would have beaten most teams on that Sunday Sunday with the performance that they rail the put out there on the field in that one at home in Jerry world and another impressive performance at talk about Cuyler Murray very of course touched on him. A little bit really tough starts at the game for him. The pro football defense of the Detroit lions welcomed him with some saks they are making in a move making them run and you could see. He wasn't really aggressive in his running. He wanted to sit back. He wanted to throw the ball. He knew that cliff Kingsbury offense it was built around him being able to be a passer he had David Johnson as a safety blanket in the running backs Baden of course Larry Fitzgerald always such a dependable target in the passing game and Murray he used his legs a little bit when he had to but he wasn't overly reliant on them and that's always good to see from a run pass option quarterback cuyler Murray. He trusts his arm strength. He's got plenty of it. In a really nice job by Kyle gets his team back ties the game forces over time that game ending in a tie and really just an impressive performance from both sides lines look good good in that tie to in these teams deserved type this game I would say the Lions for the majority of the game with more impressive team but they couldn't put the game away with clock management with the ability to run the ball that somebody's gotta work on they have to continue to bolster and better that offensive line for Kerryon Johnson very cable running back that really just could not find any gaps in the cardinals front seven here in this one carnivals and Lyons with that draw to begin the season and we could talk about the Patriots we could talk about the steelers but we talked about already L. Rain. There's really nothing more to save just a beating by the Patriots they came out Bella Checking Brady did what they do. They show how good they are. One of the big highlight performances is actually Tom. Tom Brady himself. You would have thought that they probably rely on Sony Michelle a little bit more to run the ball. He got fourteen Russia rushing yards. He had plenty of attempts. Just really couldn't get through and you could see the offense of the Patriots adjusted on the fly that okay we can't run the ball right now. Michelle's getting bottled up. We're GONNA keep going to him to keep pounding. Keep establishing the running game but Brady's GonNa do Brady's GonNa do then he was hitting all his receivers didn't care who you were. As long as you're aware Patriots Jersey were getting looked at Philip set catches a touchdown pass flash flash Gordon Catches Touchdown Pass Julian Edelman does with Julian Edelman does the slant route. He's taken hits but he's making plays. James White was feature out of the Backfield in the passing offense as well and just an impressive all around win by the Patriots Defense Fantastic Shuts Down Ben Rothlisberger Smith Schuster and James Connor for the steelers as Pittsburgh really just they looked they looked outmatched in this one and it shows on the scoreboard it shows in the box score patriots and Tom Brady even though he's well over the age of forty not showing any signs of slowing down Patriots really going to try to make another run at the postseason run and the Super Bowl and when they add a be definitely within the cards they're even trying to get Gronkowski to come back and give Brady another weapon like he needs it. That's really a wrap up of some individual performances around the league here on the football podcast. 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You've got Davis Ellington with our final segment of the day here on the sports football ball podcast and of course we gotta look around the League at some of the storylines that we talked about going into week one just check in a little bit on them here wall so talk a little a bit more about the Monday night football games that are upcoming here later on in the evening and the one of the big story lines of the season was todd Gurley in that knee injury are- exactly what was going on with him and we saw a really big much bigger role for Malcolm Brown the running back to rushing touchdowns for the rams girly though he said there's so those Sean McVeigh said he was not on a snap count and that he was going to be full go clearly that was not the case for early in the thirty twenty seven rams win over the panthers as early just a shade above ten touches overall in this game nine Russia's at one point deep in the fourth quarter ninety seven yards total for are todd Gurley in this one in the rams former superstar running back just did not look himself in this game. You can just see that he's not running back. He was at at one point of his career in that. Something's just off with him. It's got to be that knee in some way and with the increase workload for Malcolm Brown Durell Henderson didn't get the looks everyone. Everyone thought the rookie running back who's picking around what's going to Brown though very solid option for this rams team running back in girly. It'll be interesting to see how the season goes on will touches increase or they just trying to save him to the rams thing that they can make the playoffs with a minimal usage of early in that way once they hit the postseason they can really turn their workhorse back loose. That's a possibility Sean mcvay however in week one did not really give girly attention that you would think and they end up still win this game by three and a very close match up with a good panthers team match up of couple great running backs between girly and McCaffrey McCaffrey statistically in the better end of that addio even though his team ones up on the losing side of the football contest so girly again to be a story to watch. La Because that offense really just does not work as well without Todd Gurley managed thirty points but if girly can't be one of the main pieces that really takes an explosive element away from McVeigh's offense and relies a lot more on jared goff being one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL and really be able to run that offense and at times we saw goff just really out of sync with as wide receivers this week if one but it's GonNa be something to think about for the rams as the season goes on a couple other teams can some wins the NFC west as well so they look like they might have a tough road ahead in that division as the season continues and of course we have to talk about the biggest storyline in the NFL Antonio Brown as it looks like the saga for Antonio in some ways is finally ending and in other ways. It's just beginning for number eighty four as Antonio uh-huh Brown signs a one year proved deal with the New England patriots and it's hilarious because there is so much speculation when all his shenanigans with the Oakland Raiders for going on that really it was just a grand master plan for Bill Bella check to somehow land the all world talent wide receiver in sure enough he gets released from the raiders and later that day signs deal with the New England patriots another huge weapon in the offense four. Tom Brady and this has shades of what Randy Moss did did when he was with the Oakland Raiders. Moss spent some time in Oakland during his games he played for the raiders. You could just see that the big hall of fame wide receivers hardest wasn't in it. He wasn't really producing for the raiders he was now running routes with this full heart. You can just tell that he wasn't the Randy Moss when he was sooner in Oakland and then he goes to the Patriots under Bill Belichick and has a career year a record setting year with Tom. Brady Brady threw for fifty touchdown passes does that offense was just a cold plays away from being the first team to go perfect nineteen in Oh as they were trying to catch the seventy two dolphins they lose of of course the super bowl to the tremendous comeback led by Eli Manning and the New York giants. Is this going to be just like that. Are we gonNA see a patriots team. That could possibly go undefeated after Sunday night. That's a very real possibility that defense for the Patriots absolutely shut down the steelers and and if they know they're gonna get just a boatload of points on the offensive side of the ball you know Bill Belichick GonNa give all of his time and effort to making sure that that defense is ready eighty each and every week for their match. Make sure everyone's healthy ready to go that the scheme is right and we very well could see a run at history again in New England might right sound a bit presumptuous just in week one but the steelers are a classic. AFC favorite especially when they had the big three Bell Brown and Rothlisburger now with two of those three pieces Gone Smith Schuster looks to pick up the slack for Antonio Brown but now yet to find someone to pick up the slack for Juju at that wide receivers Chris to spot you also gotta be be frank here that James Connor is not living on bell. We saw that in that game Sunday night so the steelers were still a good test defensively civilly always are fantastic and brady made them just look like a peewee football team out there as he had no problem going for thirty three points in that game and pass over three hundred honored yards. You put a be in that mix with Josh Gordon Julian Edelman the running back tandem of James White as well as Sony Michelle is going to be a really tough challenge to beat this patriots team and because of that you who who's to say I mean they they could do it. They could do it you. You can't say they can't there. There is a real world possibility with the addition of Antonio Brown that the Patriots could make some history but now we gotta look back at how this came to be an Antonio oneal brown you could tell really from the Gecko once he got into camp once he started running some routes with Derek Carr in this raiders offense something clicked in his head that he did not want. I WANNA be in Oakland. I mean he did the cryotherapy happens and you chalk that up to operator malfunction with the frostbite on the feet then he goes on this insane escapade with the helmet trying to get all that taken care of in think in trying to use his old helmet. He's used forever he. He's had six months to do it and he doesn't think that's enough time to find a new helmet. I mean he's not looking for new kidney. He just needs a helmet you. There's ways to figure that out to make it fit and make it. It'd be comfortable everyone else in the NFL did it why couldn't he that becomes an issue. He's stays out of training camp. He doesn't do the walk throughs. The helmet issue did not mean he couldn't couldn't practice with the team he did that on his own accord and then he goes after the general manager of the raiders after he gets fine for actions he knows our final. He did them with that in mind. There wasn't like that fine just came out of the sky on him and Mike mayock gets verbally costed by Antonio Brown he goes on a barrage. I use of slayer of slurs cuss words to Mike May Auchan your raiders still still planned on playing him in there Monday night game against the broncos broncos that says a lot about the raiders as an organization that they were willing to take this abuse from Antonio Brown and take all this Prima Donna behavior behavior that was happening with Ab and still play him Monday night when he's barely practice with the team we talked earlier in the season here here on this show about how Antonio Brown by taking all this media attention has helped the raiders rookies developed because they haven't had to deal with it and that's still true in the lot of the raiders rookies have talked talked about in themselves and the second year players have said by having Antonio Brown. It's been nice that they haven't had to deal with the media coverage and hard knocks and that was really a lot more centered around Antonio Brown but he's also had a terrible example as an a way to conduct yourself as professional with what he's done with the raiders clearly didn't want to be there show the the reaction video when he finally gets released from the raiders and all of that finally goes down and I think the raiders are better off for it you if you're going to establish a new culture in Oakland. You can't have this going on in your locker room on your sideline. You need to get Antonio Brown out of out of there if he wants out all the better let him go you cut your losses just saved a lot of money by voting that twenty nine million that you would yet. You'RE GONNA pay him over the three years Antonio Brown you get your wish you go you get to play for the Patriots I think both sides can kind of wash their hands of the issue but now the rest of the NFL has to deal with the Patriots and Tom Brady having Tony Brown as viable and very real. You'll weapon for them another thing to touch on though is this really has highlighted how much of just a dumpster fire the raiders have been since bringing on Jon Gruden route and I mean at this point of his tenure in Oakland. I mean remember. He was signed ten years hundred million dollars free coach. He's not playing down down. I mean granted. He does the ski schematics. Get your team ready to go but you're telling me you can't find another coach that can get four wins in the NFL for a little bit cheaper than one hundred million dollars and what does he do before a game is played for the raiders cuts chol-min Trades Khalil Mack doesn't want trade them to the bears yeah yeah you got a couple of picks for him but he's gone to the bears and showing that he is a hall of fame talent. He's one of the best if not the best defensive player in the NFL at any position and he has been absolutely destroying it for the bears. He's made them a super bowl contender. They could find a quarterback or if Mitch trubisky could figure it out under center then he goes you trade Mario Sorry Cooper. Amari Cooper has gone to Dallas. He's fantastic and of course you've got another pick from that but what do you do you traded two guys two teams that are now playoff contenders each and every year. You'RE NOT GONNA to get the draft capital that you think you're GONNA get from those trade. You're getting made too late. Twenties on the first round picks for those guys so those are two very questionable trades at this point then you go you get a B. He backs. AB The entire time isn't condoning all the Tonio Brown's actions all of the antics and now this comes back to buy them again so so far in Oakland Jon Gruden era take two has really just been a frankly catastrophe for the raiders to begin and now you gotTa L. Look Derek Carr Guy. They signed to a huge contract. He hasn't been able to really step up in the pocket ever since breaking his leg. You can just see that he's afraid of it that the hipster kind of setting inform this brother went through the same thing in Texas with Texans and this is a really a big put up or shut up your Derek Carr at the quarterback spot they might have to go and get a new man under center if he can't can't figure it out for the raiders here in this season so a lot of questions going on in Oakland and we're GONNA see some answers here in the Monday night game. Where do they do with no Antonio Brown round tyrel Williams GonNa need to step up other guys or need to be big playmakers and it's GonNa fall on the shoulders of Derek Carr to guide his team to a big Monday night win remember? This is their last season in Oakland most likely and he's on Monday night football once again got put up some big numbers. GotTa Get your team win. They've get any excitement around this raiders team right right now. 'cause it's all doom and gloom for them as is in Antonio Brown now going into a fantastic situation with the patriots but that's all going to develop as the season continues on here and we've talked about this other team a couple times but need to look back at exactly what is going on with the Cleveland Browns and the Miami Dolphins Albans Miami Dolphins just tear terrible game fifty nine to ten. It just was not what you're looking for. Miami Dolphins are rumors that some of their players are being are calling their agents asking to be traded never a good look for an NFL franchise when you have players don't want to suit up on Sunday to go out there and play the game. Dolphins are really in a tough spot. They've got no real answer at quarterback. Got No real weapons on the offensive side of the ball Kenyan drake drake had a decent season last year. That's about it as far as no worthy performances go for them. They got fitzpatrick at quarterback. Hopefully he can find the magic he had last season a little bit form just to make them a bit exciting on the defensive side of the ball there like wet paper and the guys running right through him. It's GONNA be a tough year in Miami A. and then if you're Cleveland on the on the exact opposite end of the spectrum so much hype around them coming into this year and they come out at home and just absolutely lay an egg against the Tennessee titans they weren't going against the Patriots. They weren't going against the steelers. They weren't going against the saints they weren't going against the rams. They had the Tennessee titans at home Marcus because Mario to a guy who has been struggling to prove that he is a quarterback in the NFL these last two seasons comes out just dismantles a browns team that with all the weapons they should have easily been able to dispose of the Tennessee Titans. The titans are a team where you just have to go in there saying we're going to put eight guys in the box. We're going to try to stop op Derrick Henry from running everyone over like a mack truck and we're gonNA make Marcus Mariota beat us through the air. We have good defensive backs. We're going to force some issues with our pass. Rush myles Garrett Garrett on that front line should be able to do that instead you give it forty three points. Pick six by Baker. Mayfield didn't help the situation he found Odell Odell Beckham junior a couple of times in this game but nothing really know where the on that connection Nick Chubb was really a non factor in this one as well Jarvis Landry couldn't get any pressure off off Oh. BJ because he was struggling to get open on his own and really just a tough start to the season for the browns and all that hype just flies right out the window once you suit up on on Game Day in the NFL you gotta go out and prove it. BROWNS did not go out and prove it. They need to find a way in week two to get to one and one they've they've had so much hype you have to to make the playoffs at this point. If you're the browns just to prove yourselves correct in your aspirations and it's GonNa be a tough division as always the ravens look fantastic like with Mark Jackson steelers. I'm sure we'll figure it out after the little wakeup call by the Patriot so it's GonNa be an interesting season in Cleveland could be a disappointing one for them though if they don't get their schemes figure it out here in the early going into the last thing we want to touch on tonight is some things to watch for in the Monday night Game Saints Texans there could very well be five five to six hundred yards of passing in this game Shawn Watson drew brees are going to go at it and you got Alvin Kamara going to be solid and he's GonNa be on display the running back spot for him to make some nice catches out of the backfield Michael. Thomas needs to be a weapon. He's going up against Andre Hopkins two of the best if not the two best wide receivers the NFL are going to be squaring off between those two guys and couple defenses with a lot to prove both of them Kinda getting written off the season Houston defense within once they traded JV uncloudy really got the short end of the stick when it came to the hype around their Defense Jj Watt still there if he stays healthy that teams always got a shot in on the saint side of the football their defense. It's has been good at times last season. They were Sol in the year before that so you're looking for the saints. Take another leap in the right direction defensively in this would be a big game if they can contain Deshaun Watson in this game and then you look to the Monday night game raiders and Broncos two teams teams that are really just you know they're. They're not exactly going to be in contention for the place. Most likely this season raiders though need to get a big win on Monday night football. We talked about it on the broncos Ronco side you have Joe Flacco at quarterback now need to find a way to really make him involved in the passing Game Yacht Philip Linzie as a back as the running back there and he he should have a lot going on but is going to be tough for this Broncos team but the good thing is they got that defense and you have that defense. You have a chance against this raiders offers team and another big story is going to be this raiders defense. Can they figure out a way to stop flacco and the broncos offense. This is a good test for them early on the season that you're at home favorable matchup. You get to be at home on Monday night. Football Blight will be bright and you get broncos offense. That's not what it was back. When manning had all those weapons with Thomas and Julian Thomas at the tight end spahn stead you get a flacco led broncos offense you gotTa Stop Philip Lindsay you got all these young pass rushers all these young linebackers bill that have come come in to stop the run and do just that so this'll be a good game for them to really try show if they can do that broncos trying to prove that they are still a threat in the AFC west team that you need to be prepared for? They're they're gonNA look to go out. There and you know kind of kick. The raiders in the teeth a little bit offensively flacco has got that big arm. He could try to take the top off. Defense Jonathan Abrams at the safety spot the rookie. M.'s going to get tested early and often. I'm sure by this broncos. 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"The meantime show featuring lenny is presented by ziprecruiter ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire oh hello and welcome to the meantime show featuring featuring the only n._f._l. Podcast we're one of the host thinks running. A skinny post means chasing the mailman for breakfast. That's but that's not me mike. Why do you think dogs. Hey mailman so much and male women money's equal opportunity in his hatred equal opportunity in his hatred for a given profession i i i don't know because it's not like it's not a bull seeing red like. I don't think there's anything triggering mailman uniform cover right. It all seems like no like a pleasant blue. Usually ah and other people come up to the house and deliver packages. Well not deliver packages but you know park drive by. There's something about about the mail. It's like a genetic code code. I will say the first time i did meet lenny. He was also very protective so i think that might just be like you know the way he fends off strangers. Obviously you matter a lot to him and so i appreciate the fact that he's willing to protect and also attack or you just look like a mailman. It is august. It's finally early. August division. Previews are over real football. Sorta real football is happening. We both watched the hall of fame game. I know i know this because we both wrote tweets about it. That did not get a ton of engagement. I'm not gonna live but i was actually excited for the game mike not so much from the falcons then though we did get really sad lookin' matt shop at the end there on the broncos side i did want. I wanted wanted to see drew lock in action. We saw drew lock not not a lot of action but he was there holding the football releasing it from his hand helmet and every real human being. I think vic fangio put a best when he said <hes> not not exactly what he had hoped for right which if your own coaches shading you after a week zero priests these poor. It's not the best outing yeah a little uncomfortable quote. They're almost as uncomfortable as the fact that vic fangio completely stole the show with his passage of kidney stones before a preseason preseason game himself in the early runnings as one of the greatest football guys of the year already and the dp. I call who could forget. I'm just so glad i was there to witness that you the thought about going out to dinner thought about seeing other people and being with friends but instead i stayed at home with my real friend which is preseason football. Listen to the division previews are wrapped up which is amazing for those who've listened to the previews. They know we didn't actually do picks right i would i had a lot of integrity. I just talked about the teams. I wasn't gunning for any sort of record or trying to be right well. That changes today mike because i he came up with the system last night. It took me a few minutes and i'm sure the math is really stupid but my system is such that we are going to talk about every single team today. I had a cute name for it. It's sort of like we're going to draft teams to win the super bowl okay. Here's my system so we're going to alternate taking teams so basically it's just we're going to try to you know it's not just about which teams are good but which we think will get far because you get points. You get a point obviously for every wins so thirteen one team gets you thirteen points. We add up at the end of the season and then if you make it to the postseason you get five points joints if you make it to the division around you get ten points. If you make it to a conference championship you get fifteen points. If you make it to the super bowl you get twenty five additional points. It's probably a really stupid system i apologize to i'm sure that's too many points or whatever i don't care and if you win the super bowl you get a ten point bonus sumita. Here's the thing is a lot of really smart people that come on this podcast and i think relative to the rest of that group i am pretty close to the dumbest and so you have to understand stand for the most people listening i am. The meat of the bell curve and that system sounded finding me. I was excited about the number of points. I earn so. I think you've accomplished your goal. I don't know what that makes me far. From the meet the bone of the bell curve the gristle of the of the curve podcast by the way you lenny eats it all. We'll put it that way. I think that the point of this exercise is not to to win because we are millennials. We're we're just trying to participate here but really just to kind of talk about who thinks kid who we think has a chance of going pretty far this year and postseason record every all that does matter here so i have looked at schedules and tried to get a sense of who might regress who might perform better. It's not just in a vacuum who was the best team so we're going to do this draft. I am giving you the first pick mike as my guests but before we get to that first pick quickly wanna tell you guys about ziprecruiter ziprecruiter haven't heard yes you have if you listen to podcasts hiring used to be hard multiple job sites stacks resumes confusing review process but today hiring hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get a ton. We get a ton but also get it done. 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Okay readers with a bang weird. I'd take the team that had the m._v._p. The league last year in barely lost in overtime in the a._f._c. championship game and that's okay make your make your. I mean it's weird because i thought you're gonna take the patriots so make your case for the chiefs. Oh also dan. I hope you're actually keeping track of what we take. Oh yeah he's all. He's is all over this right now. Super producer dan's. I mean listen. My case is this. This is a team who achieved everything they did last year. Obviously on the backs of historic offense offensive performance or patrick mahomes one of three quarterbacks to throw fifty touchdowns in a season in the history of the league with peyton manning and tom brady. Obviously we all expect some regression with that. The difference is you can't get much less productive on defense than they were. Last year i mean outside of chris jones and default occasionally flashing in in the past rush aspect on the backend run stopping they were abysmal and so you go out this year and yes you get rid of you lose four but you add frank clark. You get tired of matthew on back end offensively. They're bringing back a large contingent of what they had minus kareem hunt in the backfield. I just feel like even with some offensive regression. This team is going to go up and get some improvement on defense. Allow for some balance and patrick mahomes and andy reid are still there and so. I'm still confident in this group so the chiefs were my third pick so i may have overreacted to. You're trying to bring some heat at the top of the show. I really thought you were gonna take the patriots so so i'm stoked because i'm going to take the patriots spoiler but and part of the reason. I like to patriots so much better than the chiefs. Mike is at the patriots roots of each easiest schedule in the n._f._l. And the chiefs have the eighth hardest and i'm using football outsiders two thousand nineteenth schedule so that makes me a little nervous chris. No concerns really about this offense. I is people who may have listened to our a._f._c. West preview with field yates. You know it was my second one so that was a ways back. Most of my concern about kansas city was. I just didn't feel like they had done enough. On defense had added enough off your you make a great point which is it's hard to be worse and obviously they did trade for clark. I was kind of a talent bet over de ford ultimately and i do think frank clark is better than d. Ford <hes> still really do not love that linebacker group do not love the the secondary in general even with the addition of matthew they are switching switching things up a little bit having added spags as their defensive coordinator donator who he's style is very very different very aggressive. It's all about getting to the quarterback doing whatever it takes a lot of pushing and i just i'm not sure that's <unk>. Secondary can handle that but i don't think that the run defense should be significantly better basically eight is i envision them being pretty pretty similar team to last year. Mike and you're right last year's team could've made it a super bowl so it's totally reasonable the first pick i just like the pats better lucy because at the schedule no listen the pats or the second team i had on my board here so totally understand it. Obviously the pets are a lot of interesting to me right so i guess we can safely say with the second pick in the draft. You are taking officially the new england patriots yeah let let's talk about the pets the pats who made a shocking indecision in stuck with their quarterback. They're they're old quarterback. Tom brady. How do you feel about that by the way it's a little bit of n._f._l. News we can talk about you. You know what it makes sense. It's basically a series of one year deals now for tom. Brady heave acknowledged that this is not a multi year deal the way. It looks like it's the syrian you know it's a one year deal with avoid voids after that so it makes sense but it's interesting to me because this is the first time that the patriots as an organization are really acknowledging. Tom brady's mortality. We're playing this year to year now. Yeah it's definitely your. It's so weird right. Tom brady's contract. Is i do feel that the benefits benefits of it are a tad overstated. They certainly matter so you know he's he makes them what twenty three this year or something and they can million dollars. That's offensive but it's about a ten mil difference right between what he well. He probably get more on open market but what like the top the court line quarterback. It's paid now in the n._f._l. And that is money obviously that you yes they get to play with additional ten to fifteen million dollars in cap space every year as a result but when you look at the patriots roster yes that money gets spread around and the players on the margins right. It's not a stars in scrubs roster your by any means and obviously they always make a lot of really smart trades guys like michael bennett add veterans who are willing to take a little bit less. That's very patriots. The contract's kind of weird to me my because it's not weird because it's brady and everything about him is not normal in the n._f._l. But if feels like to mean both sides sort of gave up a little bit of leverage to get to a situation where they can both easily walk away when they want it to end right because the patriots cannot franchise brady. They won't trade him which is obviously obviously so. He doesn't want them to have those options meanwhile for them. There's no guarantees so it is kind of like mutually assured like we're both going to assume there's enough trust here that we can get out of it when we both want to. It makes sense considering everything that we experience with brady this year here is going to be a first where the quarterback of his age and the success of the team at the same time we're in completely uncharted territory and so the relationship between these two sides is just truly difference. I don't think there's any way else any other comp any other way that we could look at this. That would be appropriate to actually compare so you're right. It's just there's mutual assurance that we've been doing this long enough together. We're yeah we're not probably both in the situation we exactly love but it's when we both agree on if removal ah perspective just to kind of get back to them versus the chiefs for the top pick the schedule is really what does it for me as i mentioned when i did the division in preview. I'll stop saying that sentence promise this last time. Why can't promise that but i'll try to say it less as i mentioned i do that too much on shows <unk> as i mentioned like assuming which you should never radio t._v. One and one never assumed people have been actually listening but i'd love the secondary. I love this linebacker group hightower quietly one of the most important patriots in franchise history but that's neither here nor there pass rush. We'll see in the playoffs. They went from sort of having a non existent pass rush to having the best pass rushing the postseason a lot of that was from play calling in defensive creativity by the way kyle van. Noy who was a playoff pass rush hero is is guy they might use. Some of the cap space freed up by this new brady contract pay. The biggest question for me is obviously the skill players right eight and who knows maybe that is too much of a leap to assume that <hes> you know a very lackluster receiving group both at wide receiver and tight end can step up but i'm gonna go ahead. Make that assumption because it's new england okay third pick. Who do you got with the third. Pick i am selecting los. Angeles rams really interesting. Thank you for taking naps so i don't have to struggle with the the homer yeah. No this is to fold you. You kind of have to give me the first pick. This is your podcast. You're getting ready to call rams preseason games. I don't wanna put you in a moral quandary and so so the rams go here but they're also pretty easy picking this one like this team. Obviously that showed a ton of promise last again a lot of the same things we can say about them. Especially defensively you can say that we did about the chiefs but the difference is the rams a we brought over the free agency roster of the all time last year especially with some guys in back in the defensive player of the year and a guy who so grossly outpaces anyone else it is position in aaron donald on that side that i'm willing to put my faith vigne him defensively to make enough place to give it back to an offense. That's going to return cooper cop and we know what a difference he made in that offense. I know for you. You're very excited about durell henderson. Send their backup running back who's going to be helping out with what's now an interesting running back situation officially with todd gurley and that degenerative knee their offensive line shuffle. Some pieces has got a little bit younger drafted bobby evans out of oklahoma drafted david edwards later on to help replace roger saphal john sullivan in the middle of an airline that had gotten old in a hurry so all across the board. I mean i don't see any reason for this offense to keep being less creative or less productive given the fact that they returned most of their important pieces so here's the case for and against the rams. I'll give you that because i have obviously been spending a lot of time thinking about this football team. I don't know if there's still on earth right now that no there's there's many many many people that's the by the way one of the interesting things about preparing to do this. Preseason game calling is and everyone who's a fan of a team notice and i've said this often if you're a hardcore fan of the team you know more than any national person and it's interesting right when you start really diving into team and listening to people who are very smart who talk about and cover and realizing you don't know any about the team but i am trying to get caught up so oh my thoughts on on the rams also have them obviously ranked very high. Are that the concerns. If you have concerns would be you mentioned. The offensive line in has turnover. They're starting to new starters. They're not new players. There are two thousand eighteen draft picks at left guard and center. The center transition in particular concerns me which while sullivan i do there you saw if you wash around last year. They did suffer a lot. More interior pressure at the end of the second half of the season really really hurt golf so in some ways you think okay. Maybe this is good to move on and get younger but you know mike the relationship between quarterback and centers show important and while sullivan may not aww player he once was he had the brain right so that's gonna be a big transition going to brian allen there at center and then the other concern. I suppose if i was to i._d. Something is they added a couple starters and eric and clay matthews who are all time n._f._l. Players they're also old. Keep philippe you older so we don't necessarily know you know at some point aging hits those guys on the plus side i think reasons to think and and by the way i'm sending aside all very obvious things that you like about this team or or but the things that are changing that are reasons to be excited. I i do think they're going to get a better outside. Pashas pass rush this year which is always been a whole not always but it never really placed quinn. It's it's been donald and whoever's benefited from aaron. Donald being double teamed but hasn't really exploited that i think dante valor is gonna step up in a big way based on what i've seen from camp. I think additional asiana matthews helps at all and finally i realized we're spending way too much time on the rams so i'll just wrap it up here. I don't think sean mcvay is gonna roll out the same offense this year yeah yeah. I think we're going to see changes. I think we're gonna see more personnel groupings. I think we're gonna see creativity. I don't buy the whole the patriots of the blueprint on stopping the rams. 'cause that's the no one's the patriots but i do think he's going to counter that okay. I talked too much about the rams so i'm gonna give my pick number four and i'm i'm gonna go with my super bowl winner the philadelphia eagles. How how do you feel about the eagles. I actually feel really good and so this is twofold. Obviously you've mentioned strength of schedule which they have one of the weaker schedules that they're facing all but also and you mentioned our friends at football outsiders one one of the more interesting stats from them that we see year to year is the adjusted games lost dealing with injury dealing with the amount of guys and the eagles were dead last in adjusted games. James lost last year one hundred eighteen and a half games lost amongst the guys they dealt with in that waits for starters versus key backups different positions all these different things and and you couple that with a lot of the offseason moves they. That's a really good team. I mean i love both lines. The death which is similar to the death in some ways that they had their super bowl run in the trenches but man this wide receiver group is just so fun. It's so fun jeffrey. They added jackson. You and i both loved j._j. Ceo whiteside. I just i'm a dynasty league this year for the first time ever with danny kelly and and man i really wanted him. I just missed out on him and i was very upset with myself about that but yeah for the reasons you describe which are very the schedule the injuries really last week we were asked about their weakness and i really only identified a secondary but mike. I don't think it's a glaring weakness. I think it's just a question mark right because they've got guys coming back and yeah so i i love the eagles i just i'm super high on this year. So who do you got five all right at number five team junior selects. I'm going to go and actually meet change on the fly because i have another guide at hyderabad. I'm gonna reach and you. You know why the indianapolis colts no. Yes okay make the case. I got them winning the division. Also i guess that's the thing is now that we're starting to get into this range. I was looking at who's going to be winning their division and putting themselves in the best lane because as we get later wildcard wildcard teams going to be kinda tougher but i think the colts win this division obviously all the talk was the cap space this off season. They didn't do a ton with it. Signed devin funchess to that weird eared thirteen million dollar one year deal. Just in houston was the only pass rusher of notice. They added but again another team second to last in the n._f._l. In adjusted games law so very the injured last year despite all their success. I'm a little worried about the cath. If i'm being honest but you'd be it's it's very worrisome. I'm very worried about this. Friday dropped down my yeah. I mean this is so high risk reward potentially while there's no i mean we're not doing odds odds or anything so we don't really better than i do. I'm so worried about it. Yeah all right so i'm extremely worried about that. Obviously this all really hinges on lucky looked like the league m._v._p. If it weren't for patrick mahomes last year with what he did you and i both liked peres campbell who they added on the defensive side rock use in the draft pick for them. Mata temple. I think is going to be a pretty good guy to help sure up that secondary the real interesting selfishly for me. I took them because i think they have the best offensive line in football and it's super interesting because they they fired their offensive line coach after giving up a legal and sax last year. I actually think this group could get better. I actually think that's possible so and this is away to inside offense of note for them but the guy they hired chris trouser was recommended by howard mudd howard. Who's the offensive line coach during essentially the entire hire peyton manning colts era that whole team so all the jeff saturday lines you think of howard mud's now there is like an offensive analyst adviser. It's a little more of an overarching role but essentially right proud him out of retirement with this idea that he could come and coach the super talented group and there was talk of guys feeling like maybe their techniques slip because digal yama who had been their coach was the line coach in new england that year and fifteen were tom brady got brutalized and they essentially beg dante scar nekia to come out of retirement so he who's a holdover from some of those hires that happened with josh mcdaniels snafu and so i just think it's really interesting this idea that their strength could get stronger howard lord mud coach the seahawks line forbid. I know that because i have always thought to myself howard mudd definitely he can't coach any position other than off into line with that game. It's just not happening. I love the line you know. I i just i have a lot of the luck. Thing is just killing me man. I be freaking out about <hes> and then the defense does a lot of question marks secondary did they draft rocky's in marvel. Tell also credible name and i think they did resign peer to peer who had sort of a career best season veteran db you but largely i don't know i'm not very enthusiastic about that secondary and then i think a lot of people thought they were going to dave rolled over a ton of cap space so a lot of people thought they would go a little bit bigger. Perhaps and houston was a really nice signing for i think the value got for him and there's definitely some upside there but you know it's definitely not one of the better defenses in the n._f._l. I'll just say that okay well. You took the cold so you made this pretty easy for me. <hes> um did you because now seeing remind i was gonna take what i thought was an obvious team next. No i'll take the saints here so we're at six. I think yeah that feels right right where it's okay so yeah. I'll go ahead and take the saints here. I think they are a slight slight. I have them in. The bears is like the n._f._c. powerhouses that i kinda worry about a little bit regression wise but i think the rosters too good and i'm not horribly concerned by what we saw from breeze at the end of the season by the way breese second best player in the n._f._l. Coppola kaput one hundred. I think given what they ask out of him in that offense now. I don't think it's the armstrong thing is horribly. Horribly concerning right in what i'm referring to is his splits at the end of season were significantly worse but i just think again the the lines are both offensive. Line is one of the better minds football not much change. Their schedule isn't too horribly horribly difficult so yeah you just from a roster perspective mike. It's hard to argue with him. Yeah no absolutely that was going to be the team next on my list. I was sitting here knowing when you were deliberating who it was and i'm with you. Gimme interesting jerry cook they bring over who is essentially the raiders only source of offense plays one of the more important positions in the sean payton drew brees offense offense so excited to see the touches the look he's gonna get in that. He's gonna rip it up yeah again. I thought they might take a pass catcher in the draft right eight. I like you know you're you're gonna wanna see more out of marcus davenport. I think this season come back healthy especially because they're we're gonna sheldon. Rankings still coming back off as that's my concern i they added. What's his name. The patriots guy right on the d line and malcolm malcolm malcolm malcolm brown the kid from texas yeah. He's on the saints. Is this time of year. You know it's confusing because there's like three hundred malcolm alcom browns in the in the n._f._l. Now but okay i'll go watch right there by the way max under their center retired new kid eric mccoy rookie from titanium right. I'm probably going to be in there. You mentioned the importance a little less over the quarterback drew brees. I digress. They also sign icky ston from the vikings but i think you're probably gonna want mccoy winning nutjob who you got next there was a team that did i want to see if you take the team that i was wavering between them and the saints yeah so now i'm wavering between who i believe they are and another team and this is getting really problematic but no i'm going to the chargers. That's what i was going to get. You know i've been on this podcast. I think second only to dominique so i think we're starting to kind of understand tendencies here. The brain meld here. I mean i think it's entirely possible that the chargers win the a._f._c. west start there. I think that's entirely possible i mean. I don't know there's a ton to the like about this team obviously offensively even with the melvin gordon situation right now and not knowing exactly how that's going to work out for them right. I mean you've got you know. I'm not i'm gonna say ostanek laura justin jackson perfect replacements but i think we all kind of know the conversation around running backs and i still go to bat for the warrior elite but melvin gordon is not saquon barkley and he is not as yukio elliott right and if the chargers offense is different you know a river is splits where a little bit concerning as well not not horribly so but he definitely wasn't as good down the stretch. I think my big concern with this team and this is why i i moved them down. Seven right is the offensive line which is so clearly the weakness of this team and with russell. Oh coon battling saddling pulmonary embolism that tackle position is rough man sam heavy on the right side. They took third round. Pick up yeah. It's it's just a west coast. Steelers secondary like a position that has been such a weakness known for so long that they try and fail to address at every turn. It seems the the charges. The secondary awesome derwin james is going to be is going to be a defensive player of the year before it's all said and done like that guy is such a freak show. We did a like a n._f._l. Pick ten players. Do you see that where you would build around and i think he i think he made the consensus team but he was no doubt her on. My team stands at texted me. Only twenty five teams ago we got through seven stands showing right now all right. We'll keep rolling. I got i got a wild and one for my next pick very interested in this one because i think it is. Do you okay so we're on eight and i think the top seven. I think most people will agree with the teams. We put there. I think there's a few on the fringes now we're getting into like you pick your poison territory and i'm going with the green bay packers. Oh wow okay didn't think i was going to go there. No browns honestly. I thought you were going to different n._f._c. north team. Oh i thought oh boy they are a little higher in mind and i think some of the bay whatever i'm giving that away 'cause you might take him next but yeah you know i he just defense is going to be significantly better than it was last year and it's for as much hand ringing as there was about aaron rodgers and him you know he coaches and all that stuff. The offense was actually good by advance. I think they're in the top ten at the top of my head so i'm not worried about that offense. I don't think that it'll be worse. I don't think we're gonna see any. I think i'm kind of excited to see what he puts together. Loafer i know he didn't do alon tennessee yada yada but i this is kind of for me a bet on the defense and some of the additions they they made on that side of the ball. No i remember you were super high on a lot of those. It's the first time we've really seen them. Address that in a meaningful way in the off season or anything in the offseason the last couple of years in general so so okay we got all right. You know what i said. I thought you're going against and i'm still going to pick a different team. I'm going to go the bears here okay. I'm gonna go way down way down but i get it. It's a big bet on mitchell. Trubisky obviously got alan robinson there. Don't well you know. I think it's so interesting. They obviously let jordan howard walk. David montgomery from iowa state is getting rave reviews in their training camp so far the running back spot there that we know oh matt nagy likes to have fun with but i think this defense sweet we we talked about it on goal can win the other day but teams that lead the league in turnovers and takeaways each year tend to regress respite about just over eleven takeaways the next season and even with that the bears could still have the best defense in football and get you won't get as many opportunities to mitch put that offense. I think is capable of stepping up at this point but i know it's all a gamble on him for sure. Yeah i mean the bears. I think success it depends so much more on mitch trubisky than it did last year and we've discussed the many reasons why they might you might see a tad a little bit of defensive aggression still an extraordinarily talented defense but for all the reasons you described because of the coaching oh chain because of the injury luck a couple of losses in the secondary i mean it's still a ridiculous defense but you just can't see this team. I think <hes> uh-huh leaning on them quite as hard as last year. They do have the fifth hardest schedule in the n._f._l. As well so and i think the other two teams in the division that was the the packers in the vikings. We'll give them a bit of a harder harder competition this year so i guess you're right it is it's all about trubisky for me all right. I'm gonna i'm gonna go. I wanna go crazy. We're at ten right. We're ten okay so i'm gonna go with the browns here. Ooh ooh i do not. There's still much coming out of can't like freddie. Just chill with the you know you saw the thing about bob wiley the offensive line coach saying that was responsible for the offensive success somehow that creativity manifest itself cincinnati in there but i digress cheese and let's go really very clapback a little but you know i just think as much as people we'll talk about odell and baker in and just saw a glorious clip of of them too. I just think this front seven is ridiculous. Now maybe not the front seven but the defensive line with the addition of libya vernon and sheldon richardson a defensive line that already has myles garrett who larry jobe the secondary was tremendous last year. I imagine they're going to get even better. Everything you're hearing out of camp on greedy williams just just tantalizing so again. It's all about the two concerns they have other team offensive line which i think people are underrating and then putting it all together and coaching but i just think that if you want to roll the dice on a extremely talented roster these are going to be your guys absolutely. I'm with you on the offense of line. That's something that's probably going under talked about. Kevin zeitler was a guy that they traded away in that deal with the giants that i believe was part of bringing odell over or aleve. I think it was odell right i either the group got a little bit weaker. That was already at best sow. How you're buying the browns hyper early. I love it ten ten. I feel like in this ten to fifteen range. It's really you know it's you can take risks. So who do you go next speaking of that. I'm going to go the team. I mentioned i'm gonna take the vikings here. This field eleven feels like the spot. I think you saw the tweets the other day. I know it was kind of making the rounds but daniel jeremiah who works works over the n._f._l. Matt saying that he's gone on his training camp. Tour twelve personnel has been really sexy and high on people's list and i think drafting irv smith junior out of alabama. I and we talked about a tight end rich draft. He probably got lost in the shuffle. Amongst those iowa tight ends as a guy who did a ton of different stuff and that's kind kind of how they're using any sort of that h tight end in their offense and they resigned kyle rudolph their veteran there to a deal more of a traditional guy so you've got a great twelve group you add garrett bradberry at center there who might play guard to start however it works out your offensive line got a lot better on the interior because of him and then they're all raving about dalvin cook and camp like he's drawing some strong harrison's right now now that he's been healthy and so with that in a defense that i think got written off a little bit too early last year i think this team team totally agree on the defense by because they were a totally different unit in the second half of the season and i think in the first what happened with us by his defense willian who not having everson griffen and some i guess there was just some bad luck i think they turned it around completely the twelfth things a really interesting point right because that's something we've seen the eagles do a lot of it makes a lot of sense because the way offense of trans work in the n._f._l. Team starting to run eleven using more three wide receiver so you had to get guys isan nicolau you at smaller defensive backs on the field so this would naturally be a counter to that the issue i think in by the way you're sort of also you've got defenses now who are saying okay. We're going to run the ball. You're gonna run. It later downs in. I think you might see more offenses. I think respond to that buzzing sure we gotta tie and he can block can catch whatever the problem is not every team in the n._f._l. Has two tight ends. I i think the vikings are an interesting one to your point that they drafted. A guy brought back rudolph. I think that will help so yeah. I do like them. I think was me warren sharp and i talked. What about this last week. Mike i'm just curious to see whether this talk of offensive creativity actually manifest itself on the field right new coordinator stansky saying saying a lot of things. We like to hear about running play action and not going as old school. Perhaps is my example like <hes> but you know we got. We got to see that eh the kubiak influence there will be interesting to obviously someone who's giving around a ton of good boot action a perfect match for the skill set of many players. They have on that roster mr twelve i'm going to take i'm going to take the pittsburgh steelers here producer. Dan just texted me. We're at forty minutes so i'm really sorry but we're gonna try to move a little bit quicker but i'm gonna. You know what it's august football's here. People are excited. You can split this podcast for your own personal listening. We're not gonna actually do that work. I'm gonna i'm i'm gonna take my handcuffed to the browns. I think there's you know reason to believe the offense will will not perform significantly worse this. I'd i'd agree yeah liked the devon bush signing still oh concerns about that secondary but obviously they addressed their biggest area of need on that side of the ball brochure devon bush's. I think a huge difference maker we've seen with that team looks like when it has an athletic difference maker in the middle of the field so totally with ya okay next speaking of the athletic difference makers in the middle. I think i'm going to reach for the cowboys here. I think i'm gonna go for the cowboys here. You've got so much youth and athleticism on the defensive side. You re signed demarcus lawrence offensively. I don't know and it's it's it is not sexy. Kellyn moore's one of the most interesting people in the n._f._l. This season what he is going to do with that cowboys offense is going to factor into. We've got the z. Cold out going on right now. Sources told josina anderson as the recording this podcast and the zeke will not play in two thousand nineteen eighteen without a new contract all the posturing that goes on but we talk about what zeke's meant to this offense what he means going forward is really entirely dependent on what kind of offense we're gonna see more. That's such a great point because i think there's a lot of exciting about more and some of it i think is because dan lobski our friend on this podcast talked about you know his creativity and his intelligence and some of the sort of modern concepts we might see from him. <hes> you know stuff from boise state great love that but if they don't know if you're going to be there like as much as we think running backs are overrated. Perhaps by teams what's not overrated. Certainty is knowing what your offense is actually gonna look like i for one believe still believe they're going to get a deal done with zeke and i do believe this is mostly posturing but if if kellyanne mortlake stay he he's he plans an entire offense. Zeke doesn't come right. That's very challenging doing for a first time offensive coordinator even as much as i think you know you're able to sort of bring in different running backs and get similar production but that again is entirely contingent on the type of offense you call so. I guess it concerns me. They do have an easy schedule. They did get lucky last year insofar as they want a lot out of really close games which is something we tend to see regrets but i am worried about it and there's some holes you know on defense defense and we'll see i guess i think this is about the right spot to put them the thing that scares me more than anything zack martin's aggravated disc right now between that and the tyron smith bodily a breakdown that we kind of see progressing more and more each year. This offensive line is far from two thousand sixteen but i think could still be very good if health holds yeah an offensive line and you know again when we go back to the running back conversation was far more responsible for deck's performance than anything else on the team pay offensive lineman okay fourteen gene. I'm a fourteen going to take. The carolina panthers a team that i am higher on. I think a lot of people i don't know about you know they were a little further down on my list whisper this. This feels like exactly what you're talking about. With this area a lot of volatility we know about camp health but this defense also kind of underperformed last year a defense that that i think i use the word ridiculous front seven to describe the browns. I walked back singing the linebackers. This is ridiculous front. Seven just you know absolutely absurd and i think also a front seven that has the potential to do some creative things as well. They are transitioning to a three four which i had sort of mixed feelings about just because of the personnel and how good came ashore. It's been in the four three but i think that we're going to see some different looks from them and i think that they have the talent to execute them on the other side of the ball. Cam newton was tremendous last year before four getting hurt and they actually upgraded their offense to the offensive line. That was surprisingly good last year. I think a lot better people taylor moton was much better than anyone could have expected expected and daryl williams coming back. They drafted greg little in the second round. They signed matt parodies at center so i just think think this is a team that got better and already probably underperformed relative to their talent level. No absolutely they're going to be very exciting to watch christian. Mccaffrey is going to be a guy who could flirt with some mm serious splits as far as receiving yards rushing yards this season okay. You got fifteen fifteen. We we're chugging along here. I'm going to go. This feels feels like the perfect spot. I'm gonna go jacksonville. Wow gimme the jags. I get it. I've heard all this talk about how the receiving or super underwhelming and we still said if they they got something just better than what blake bortles was providing them. Look what this team could have been. It's going to be offensively a lot different. You're gonna marry up. The things that nick foles did well obviously the same coordinator. He worked with in his time in philadelphia. I just think that coupled with a defense that is loaded with dogs eggs. This and you tell in should be noted television smith sitting out there. You're obviously affects what they're getting the middle but miles jack still making candles for the whole gang hang in the middle of that defense. I just think this group got written off because of what happened last year. I think this is a playoff team this year. Don't love the skill players do like the offensive line relative to last year just guys coming back from injury a little bit of news on that front unique thing is going. He did report right and he said he's not getting a long term deal which is crazy to me that jacksonville's not giving him a long term deal. I don't understand that at all but you're right. The defense is very good and i mean there are team. A popular bet to get better. This year. Obviously just falls so it's not unreasonable. Alright wasn't unreasonable as how much time we spent on the first hyped teams but we're finally at the midpoint and that means it's time for mail back question question lenny for your thoughts. We're gonna blaze through these mike in they're not very serious. De mardi tea party asks chicken nuggets or chicken strips ooh i used to. I love chicken nuggets as a kid. I used to get the mcdonald's twenty. Do you ever get that of course come on me and i was fat for a long time. It's kind of a rhetorical question a sweet and sour barbecue barbecue. Oh see that's where we differ. I love the sweet and sour sauce donald's but i go with tenders. I i mean just because i'm an adult you know. They're more like there. Were very few situations where you can even get nuggets as an adult fact me an intellectual eating eating chicken strips <unk> christo holy moses asked for the best place to eat in seattle so i'm way behind the culinary scene in seattle <hes>. I really liked that place in ballard walrus and the carpenter. I'll throw that out there but i'm sure there's much trendier cooler places these days also trendiest place on earth birth all like good restaurants start doing two nouns like four can spatula or put your in the bear pistol and rifle you. That's not a good one. Don't do that pinecone and nut. That's not a good one hard. Maybe this is a sign that you and i probably won't restaurant to animals as a concept right like you know anteater and hedgehog also really bad restaurant rask's. Oh four oh one. Oh this is a great one asks for the best name for a fictional fictional power hitter in he offers up me to choose between max clubbers and scotty mash definitely max clubbers but also if we want to think of our own. I mean heaters. Maki tested you know what's that hits home. Especially jason fitz who works on golic and wingo with us now has really been driving home tators in his sportscenter updates homerun call of choice. I'm gonna stick with of mine and go bobby. Dinger's bobby dinger's dot com. I'm awake and white away. Three twenty one asks if lenny could switch places with any human for a day who would be <hes> <hes> okay so lenny's priorities. I was just talking to my husband about this like what would would happen. If we just put out a bunch of food would lenny eat it all or would you eat until he was full because cats can self regulate their appetites but i don't know if i don't think he can i. I think he would eat throw up and then eat again. Maybe throw up as well so if he was switching places with human he would want to choose someone who had a massive appetite tight and also no self control and access to a lot of food like personal. Oh not talking. Maybe like kobe she or something. The hot dog did yeah. I was going to say competitive. Eaters seem like that that or me last question afghan ambler secretary asks if you get hired as a g._m. In ten years what job would you give lenny who definitely could not coach or scout although i don't know i feel like he's got a real knows for talent. I'd love to put him unlike the interview room because honestly if somebody's not with my dog that'd be great for the combine interviews. That's a really good test. Just add that to the combine in general would dog portion where you just walk in a room and it's all right if they don't get along with my dog. It's like a significant other gone. This is like my reminds me of my idea for a tv show like the bachelor but it's a dog and they're choosing being their family that will adopt them and so the expend they go on four hometown days with four different families and then at the at the very end you put them in a field and you line up the four families on each four corners and see the dog runs. Do if i'm one of the families. The dog doesn't hughes if daughter doesn't look at me in public or walk away when i approached a pet i am distraught for the rest of the day the amount of crying i do in that field good lord. Am i up next. Do i have the sixteenth. He's pick yes you do. Sixteen media cans didn't start it with the back half or any gonna go see here seattle. Yeah i mean i had them a little bit earlier and then my draft got derailed but <hes> here's my realistic homer take on the seahawks. I actually think the offense is going to be really good. I think it's the defensive you've gotta worry about with this team. I think the line is finally sort of solidified like you can finally expect hopefully average play from this offensive line which is great. I'm not worried about i. Losing doug baldwin hurts but he was in and out a lot last season. I'm buying a lot of the decay <unk> hype man and they got tight end back. I think the the running group has really really solidified wilson's great. I'm not worried about that group. <hes> it's the absence of a pass rush. That's really the killer on this team was the last time you said that about a seahawks god so crazy they are saying against the should be ready week one which is against the bengals so it's a soft open so at some point won't have dishes ready but come on and find you find your way making just put something on the plate okay. Who do you got at sixteen. I'm going with the falcons yeah. They're in my next cluster. Figure this one. I mean obviously this off-season big for them. Defensively resign grady jarrett to that big deal on the defensive line looking for some production there. They've really struggled. Vic beasley never really panned out pass rushing wise waiting to see on tag. Mckinley dion jones at linebacker get back neil l. healthy and that secondary so all these things lining up. That's another defense that if it closets way out of the cellar that offense i mean matt ryan almost threw for five thousand yards. I know you're very pro matt matt ryan so yeah i know concerns about this offense best wide receiver group in the n._f._l. Arguably changes play caller and bring back some oldies all these for that but i'm not worried i think whether these guys can come back from injury whether they can get enough of a pass rush. That's my question with them at seventeen. I'm taking the baltimore ravens. I am a very a._f._c. north heavy. I think i have yeah. I have the browns. The ravens is so. I have really hedge my bets on the a._f._c. north. I'm just really excited to watch what three it's team. Looks like man every thing coming out of camp on what they're doing on offense is just interesting and exciting because it's not it's not like that bob who hoople you got harbaugh saying we're do things n._f._l.'s never seen before which is obviously a little bit dramatic but that excites me more four obviously greg roman we know has done cool things in the past with mobile quarterback tyrod and cap and then. I think this is the best secondary the n._f._l. Wow all right. You know what i would agree that defense. The defense top to bottom is going to be vicious. Obviously i feel every time i think about the ravens defense defense i say in my jon gruden voice dag on jude on they really need him to step up because the loss of this minutes. What's that pass. Rushing production is really god so he's going to be very key. I do think that the secondary helps a lot so broussard and forums need that was actually pick eighteen so with nineteen gene team. Goal junior takes be houston texans next an offensive skill. Firepower is just too much to ignore. I don't think they did enough to address arrest. The offensive line woes. You've got tired howard from alabama a._n._t. Or something and mac scharping that i think at this point are both gonna start or at the very least are in the conversation conversation. I think they're projects. I don't think houston shown any ability to develop projects on the offensive line defensively. We obviously know the deal over there. It's driven driven by the same cast of characters. It's been which is a very good albeit cast of characters that is aging the clowney question looms large over them. What's going to end up happening with him so that'll that'll factor in but will fuller john hopkins and what they've got their into shawn watson. That's that's worth enough in and of itself second hardest schedule which hurt them in my my ranking. Let me ask you this question if the texans g._m. By committee if they traded i did for trent williams. Would you move them up. Absolutely oh my god wow you saying that actually elicited a physical response my body. I'm salivating fading right now. Trent obviously that whole mess in washington that we'll get to whenever they come up in this but yeah that would that would change a lot having anything that resembles adequate protection for shawn watson would be huge for this team at number twenty. I am taking the feels like a perfect spot for the tennessee. Titans tightrope the team that inexplicably finished with nine wins in no one knows how it happened so you know we've been through with the titans. We have no idea idea where we're going to get out of marcus mariota because of the health concerns obviously it's funny i put him at twenty and they finished twenty second back in an offense in one thousand nine hundred defense efficiency wise last year so feels pretty accurate. I do think they improved a lot of pieces around mariota. Although the taylor lewan suspension was that four games or more games four games okay that hurts <hes> an offense they did add rogers hassled on that side right left guards words but you know that's still obviously with mariota and some of the issues he's had some of that is self self imposed. That's a problem but but <hes> i did like adding humphries brown on that side of the ball and then on the other side. I think the secondary has the potential to be very good. I liked the linebacker group rupa lot jay and brown woodyard landry wake. That's nice not super special upfront though and you know they did spend that first draft pick on jeffrey simmons. He's gonna have a redshirt year but i still think it's going to be a better than average defense absolutely they have gone with the identity of their coach and drafted very high outside linebackers since variable showed up out there so nothing shocking there but this quarterback room it's like because it seemed but they're the same quarterback like a guy. That's prob- yeah what's your over under tannehill taken job yeah either by injury or by performance. I could see tannahill starting getting five games. This year totally got twenty one twenty one. I'm going to go with the san francisco forty niners their twentieth for me so i i just i think in bilbao <unk> great piece on five teams that look like they are primed to have bounceback seasons in two thousand nineteen san fran super high in the list. Obviously you could hard hard. Stop at just jimmy garoppolo but this team also had said lit takeovers takeaways. Excuse me on defense last year. They had two interceptions all seasons so crazy how people like not talked about that more. I could not believe that what i saw that and goes article you keep like looking at the stats sheet and going online line and making sure. I'm not reading it wrong. It's not a typo so just off that you know they draft nick bosa who a lot of people were expecting to come in and just be a carbon copy of joey but you do do that the deformed ad also on the edge for them so i just i mean by existing in two thousand nine hundred thousand more turnovers for an offense. That's going to get the quarterback back. We all expect to run. Shanahan stuff better love this defensive line. I think they have the potential. Just destroy teams do not love what's happening behind it. I think jason you get a lot of upside right because he played at a pro bowl level and has been racked by injuries and this is sort of a bet by them and it's a very low risk given how little they're paying him but that's where he's gonna depend a lot on those pass. Rushers make life easier for them but but i do think that defense is gonna look a lot better also don't love the pass catchers outside of killed pettus on this offense what happens goodwin by the way aw every time i laugh because dance texting how long this podcast is going <hes>. He's he's still there. He's still he's old okay. I'm take the lions next so at twenty two. Is that in the neighborhood of where you've got them. They were the next team down on my list with san fran in baltimore gone so detroit detroit this is this is their spot for sure. Yeah i mean i think a win the n._f._c. with adam schefter and we both had them as sort of being the odd team out in this group although football outsiders is way more optimistic on them then i am i think they have them like in the top twelve or something so we'll see what the darrell bubble effect yields <hes> really love jerry johnson obviously that he's going to get the get the rock lot more in this offense. Some changes on the offensive line on the inside could help as well adding flowers. Was there big pickup on on the defensive line that i actually think is really good. You know with a snack harrison made a massive difference in the run defense last year but sean hand also i think has the potential to to to be a real difference maker there who they signed by the way who was the other d. line signing they had oh right mike daniels too bright yeah huge interior d. line signing for them so it feels very patricia lake extremely all right with the next pick and the number i have now lost track of. I i am going to over man. We're really getting into dicey territory now. I'm just gonna say go with washington. God really oh god. That's where i'd go. No you know what it's just. It's one of those things where we're at that time of year where i am getting and buying into the yearly round of healthy jordan hype between that like i know colt mccoy starting right now. I think we're going to end up seeing dwayne haskins pretty early. He's got terry maclaurin air who is used to from ohio state. If jordan reed stays healthy. It's it's become one of those situations. That's the refrain this could be. The year the trent williams stuff scares me but they still got some other. They're solid guys on that offensive line even without a ton of depth and you have the entire s._e._c. west playing d. line for you. Add montas sweat to doron pain and jonathan allen there at some one point. That's gotta start to buy you something and i think some point is this year so the redskins released their first unofficial depth chart. You know the number. One quarterback is right. Now is a coal. It's called mccoy maj. Gruden's pumped. I just i just can't i just i just can't it's funny that you mentioned those bama guys on that line because you look at it and you're like yeah you know. He looks like a good defensive line but they were really hedley terrible against iran last season so i don't know i don't like the secondary at all just so much uncertainty there. I know they're really high on some of the young guys but obviously adding collins helps but outside of him but norman. There's just a lot of question marks for me in the secondary as well. I don't know i just r._t._c. picking around this range because we're starting to look down and i'm starting to see a long yeah yeah and look but by the way with washington <hes> i am now. We'll see what happens with williams but just too. I did like the haskins pick and where they got him in now. I think they really do not want to play that man. I got the jets second easiest schedule n._f._l. Behind new england everybody knows sam hive and by the way ryan kalil coming out of retirement for one last job to police center for the new york jets looked almonds lines going to be better. The play calling is going to be better. They've got levy umbrella express some concerns on the podcasts that they were going to have sam thinking that gays who's done this in the past. My frustration is going to have standing dan thinking and dunking with the occasional e past robbie anderson and enjoy seeing that because i think sam darnold is a better quarterback than that but but this is one of those things where you know they made a lot of very ditzy and possibly ill-advised signings but they had a ton of cap space and a rookie quarterback so i don't hate any of it when williams defensive rookie of the year the best human also what a star must protect him love that dealing by the way i yeah i can. I can talk myself into the jet sneaking into the playoffs easily all right well. You stole the pick that i really wanted in the spot and so now now i've got to do a thing. I really don't wanna do pick the denver broncos really yeah. I'm just i've got teams ahead of them so listen. It's all well look ugly. I'm making a lot of decisions against the best wishes in my draft chart i keep looking down here and seeing what lies way and i figured von miller and that defense him and bradley sadly chub are still worth a lot as book ends on that side of the ball. I think that is maybe still one of the elite pass rushing groups derek wolfe on the interior for that offensively. Absolutely it's going to get a little interesting. We obviously know the flacco thing what vic fangio is going to have going on on the side of the ball. That is not his specialty but i just again again. We're we're getting down to right now. I'm counting on that defense being strong enough to at least be better than some of the other teams. We've got left. I'm probably underrating thing this broncos defense with fangio as i look at the depth chart it's pretty nice father recently described and yes i imagine to what fancy will do also with the secondary. I think it's a little bit different from some of his past defenses is because you could say the weakness is probably the linebacker inside linebacker gary which he always vanja always has like this like an elite you know or leader i guess sort of a quarterback of the the defense and missing that here but the pass rush is just ridiculous and i think the defense is going to be really good as well but yeah i don't like this. I don't like the offense. I'm excited about this next team. I'm gonna take the bills here yeah another defense so we talked about them. Another defense that i love underrated defense ridiculous secondary at other coach who's kind of building the team in his own image and sean mcdermott who i think's very good. This is a team where the the quarterback can be potentially a limiting factor. People got mad last year last week when i talked about cam newton being a model for them. It's not a cop. It's a model all per josh allen but i stand by that. I think i like what they're doing around him. Mitch morris getting a concussion is obviously not not good for much more for or the team because that's something that you want to see him in their early and he does have a history but aside from that i think if he can come back and be healthy i think we should continue to see some improvement from josh l. I know that was hard for you to do me as someone who is down but just critical of joshua's address critical to pick yes critical critical of the pick pick pick out the planet next. I guess i'm taking the bengals. I guess that's going to happen. That's where are we are yeah. That's that's where we are in the zac taylor taking over like obviously a._j. Breen being out for this extended period of time to start the season is a huge blow to all this. They resigned tyler boyd and they're going to expect a lot from him as they try and figure out the rest of what they have joe mixon. It'll be the feature guy from now. I think we're going to start to fade giovanni bernardo. I know fantasy owners should be concerned about that but yeah. I think just in general i'm excited to see some change here. The marvin lewis errands. Cincinnati is over and a franchise. I don't think cares all that much about winning at least showed a pulse so there are thirty one on mine my list yeah yeah <hes> <hes> just gonna. I'm just gonna you fans are there's. There's definitely things to be interesting exciting but i mean i i want to to this point like what do you what do you watch for. When your team's not good like what are you paying attention to because i certainly went through that as a seattle fan as well and some of those mid-2000s mid two thousand and early two thousand ten whatever type years like recent as recently you're looking at draft picks and asking yourself what you want to see out of them and it is a bummer with the bengals losing jona right off. The bat really stinks and a._j. Who i once thought was a bleacher report blogger and that's a different story but i'm gonna take the bucks here. That was the one i was flirting with. Don't like the schedule. It's difficult do like the offense i think with. I think they're gonna shred aeriens. I think they were unlucky and a lot of the metrics that are like not likely to happen again. I suppose year to year in terms of just being really really really bad in the red zone. Another team like the eagles had really really bad injury. Luck a very young secretary. Sorry seventy minutes. Take the bucks here. I just love the constant. Look at the clock at this point a race against time to get in points about these bad n._f._l. Teams at the bottom <music> this. This is who yeah i i mean. It's just coin flips at this point. I'll go oakland okay. I'll go oakland. They've at least got a veteran quarterback. Antonio brown figures out what the hell's going on with the bottom of his feet. This is an offense between him and josh jacobs at least have weapons. He who must not be name is coaching the line some kind of freaked out about that still but brought trent brown over again. It's all crapshoot now still really really tough depth chart on defense and a really tough schedule with yeah fourth artist okay so i'm gonna take the giants next purely because they have the fourth easiest schedule in the n._f._l. And because they're offensive it's of line is a lot better this year. It's the best line that they've had in a while. As you mentioned earlier. We talked about the browns. They brought in kevin zeitler. I can't imagine nate's older will be worse than last year. I think he's more likely to be better. We'll see another year of development from we'll hernandez and when eli has protection detection can play i think at this point average level so i'll go even though they lost three hundred wide receivers to injury. I'll go with the giants here all right well meanest lena's since you started off the podcast with giving me the number one overall pick as your guests. I'm going to finish by allowing you to take a team. That's near and dear to your heart. I'm going to take the arizona cardinals which will leave you with your beloved. Fish tank love to see it. Although i'm worried mind fitzpatrick's going to mess around and screw me here but well not screw grooming because actually if you get a bad team so you want these bad teams to do what you want. All the teams do well also. I haven't thought through the system a lot but you know what i mean yeah a cardinals. The dolphins are fun a fun coin flip allow meena so i've just been alerted that now after are your selection of the dolphins which albeit was forced because i took the cardinals you now have the entire a._f._c. east congratulations. I wonder there's probably some strategy attitude because i have most of the a._f._c. north as well you took the bengals like there's definitely because of a smarter person would have looked at my point system thought-through through lake some strategy in terms of trying to take division. Get all the possible winners in every division but i am not that person so let's get to the final segment and now it's time for dinks and dunks. I'm getting paid to listen if you've been listening to this podcast since long you really liked podcast so i want to tell you about another word because hey let's think of some more of your time. That's the fantasy football focus with matthew berry field yates to find your bell l. and it is back the oh six one crew we post the new episodes every weekday to the end of the two thousand nine hundred season download and subscribe to the fantasy focus football podcast on apple apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your pods might just feels like a good place to start my first question coming off of some of those bad teams which is who do you think takes gets gets to next season. Ooh do i think gets to a next season. I think ultimately it's going to be the dolphins. Let me rephrase that. Who is the second. Take take two next season. Yeah i guess looking at all this. If i'm looking at the teams that could potentially be awful in the market for a quarterback. I could see the bucks because that brings up though i really think they're going to extend janus i think he's gonna shred and they're gonna extend. Just feels like something's going to happen again. And if i'm going outside the obvious miami the bucks crater bruce arians sees a guy that can definitely push the ball downfield and the way he likes and they'd be range. I think they could be up there. <hes> i wouldn't throw out denver to as a crazy option point defense might be too good but you know i have to look at the picture they have they the ammunition and the thing about the dolphins is they have so many picks that even if they're not at the top they've got the ammunition to get their question to which disney character do you relate to the most ooh ooh man yeah. No good solid company question here. You know what i will say that coming off of seeing the lion king in theaters now check it out. God is making so much money disney stock great right now i would go with which i forget of the mere cat and warthog which one is to moan and which one is puma admittedly think award hawk. I would go with poobah. He is large. He is jovial. He likes to sing even though his voice. It's not perfect little pitchy at time so i can relate to a lot of that. Andy's weirdly emotional which i also fall into that category so yeah the more i think about it. I got a lot of really weird similarities to a cartoon warthog warthog are you and i to mona puga. Oh wow oh alameda you always said if we were to ever have a show we would actually be like brandon from game of thrones but this might be better is also feels less problematic. Maybe this is the better comp. Okay get at us in the mentions if you have better suggestions question three. I've actually never asked you this. I'm very curious because he grew up in a sports family so your allegiances have always been kind of complicated complicated. It's not the normal like oh. I was born here and every fifteen. Have you ever had an n._f._l. Team that you root for i grew up again. It's skewed because of family. Oh i grew up rooting for the eagles. My dad spent the majority of his career. There i spent most of my life growing up in the northeast and hating the teams that my friends were fans of most of them were rather giants or patriots fans and so i leaned into the eagles thing i was there for like the brian westbrook donovan mcnabb brian dawkins years so a lot of good runs john's when andy reid was taking them to n._f._c. championships every year so i was definitely there for the good years interesting so we're you stoked when they want people. You know what i kind of out of your system. I'm now. It's one of those things where and this is the <hes>. I don't really harbor a lot of ill will towards anything from the n._f._l. At this point like i kind of got out of it what someone one of my skill set tends to win all things considered but i just went through the process an everyone either cutter didn't sign me so they kind of all go kiss my ass array for my friends at this point. I don't really i kind of gave up on that allegiance after going through the process question four. What is your favorite part about the preseason. My favorite part about the preseason is probably the first. I'm trying to think of what was exciting about it for me. As a player versus now like i i really think is watching all the rookies at just right like we mentioned at the beginning of this pod two days ago noah fan going out there for the first time for denver on the other side ceiling some of the rookies for for the atlanta falcons especially offensive line like getting our first look guys especially for me as someone who covers a lot of college football and watching how they've made the transition to the pro game kim actually follow question because let's not stop ourselves. Why not try to get that hour and a half mark here. What position do you think at this point like most quickly translates to the n._f._l. Man i still think i think it's running back like at this point. You've still joe got because i think it's going to be interesting. How it changes right the pipeline now that we're devaluing the wrong word just not as willing to highly pay and guys go where the guys tend to go where the opportunity is to get paid so i think you might see kids in that kind of skill area. Maybe look more towards the slot and i'm trying to say if this is where football is gonna live. Let me be there but you still got a glut of talent there and you can plug them into different spots and have backfield with multiple guys for very little no inexpensive draft capital like i think and you can use them situationally. Not every guy has to come out and be graded. Everything that's the jalen hurd model right poplar dynasty pick. I've noticed our last question as always comes from lenny's kind of long so i was like a pedia trying to change my mom's picture. She really doesn't like her picture and if anyone else's listing who knows how to tie please change the picture perfectly to one with me and i decided to go to your what could could be a page. Something struck me about it. It says under personal stuff golic was born with a severe pain and food allergy. That has a major impact on his life then later it says golic's stated he does not have any allergies. So what is it. Why did you first off lenny i want you to. I know that i would never lie to you. Ever you mean too much to me second yet. This is been confess. I truly don't have an answer for where this came from. I am what what this p._s._a. If you made the end of this podcast please tweet out at anyone who will listen junior no way shape or form allergic to anything in peanut related. Why why did you then. I'm convinced with this movie. Okay chain to my picture. Police is and also somebody changed because it says you were born with peanut severe allergy major impact on your life. I'm convinced that one of my friends did this is to get back on me because i have this nasty habit of lying about things that are inconsequential. I once convinced my buddy's wife that my middle name was randolph for six months for no reason i once convinced the entire notre dame hockey team as far as i'm aware of for four years that my brother was adopted and boy did that pissed my mom off. I did that just like flippantly. Not thinking anyone would bite eight and so i think all of my friends were so sick of me taking advantage of them because listen. I'm very believable like i'm a i'm an honest guy for the most part. I think this is a revenge plot from one of them. I'm not pitcher who yet though the pope.

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 543 The FIrst Week In Review

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 543 The FIrst Week In Review

"It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and the life if you want to live CD medic target your pain added source it's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil get get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the golden state media concepts football podcast latest news on off-the-field be at College Football Big Ten sec twelve pack twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered listen listen to the golden state media cut sets football podcasts <music> <music> hello and welcome listeners. You're tuned in to the GSM sports footfall podcast brought to you by the GSM see podcast network. I'm your host Davis Ellington here. It is Monday and we've all gone through one of those spiritual days in America. That's right. It was week one Sunday. A full slate of games were on display and it was a good one couple great games around the league and of course with a couple more in action later tonight. Everyone will have week one under their belts and here at the start of our podcast. I GONNA get talking around the League at what was going on. I hope everyone when Hata fantastic weekend I spent my entire time watching football myself. Saturday had a great slate of college action games capped off by that. Lsu Texas game down in Austin in Texas a great one right there. Lsu Poland now won out over the Longhorns then of course on Sunday. It was all football all the time kicking off at ten. AM here on the West S. Coast and did not end until the Sunday night battle that was really a blow out between the Patriots and the steelers. We're GONNA take our time here and just explore the League after week. One see what we like what we didn't like and see where we go from here for some teams as well of course on Thursday everything got started with that bears packers game the packers pulling it out and then and the redskins and the Eagles had a big match up there in Philadelphia Carson Wentz leading that phillies squad and he looked shaky start art to say the least wins not on his game for the most part of the beginning redskins jumped out that early lead case keenum for the skins look solid at the quarterback spot in the added that offense role in the defense also kind of keep in Wentz on his heels then when Scott comfortable and he started gun slinging and it was a familiar face for Philadelphia fans that really got that team electrified and that was that of the calbears former wide receiver Sean Jackson D Jax Back in his number Ten Jersey for the Eagles and doing what he does best turn and burn down the sidelines a couple of fifty plus yard touchdown receptions for Sean Jackson got his his team going and they took off from there the end up taking that game in a Comeback Victory Thirty two to twenty seven Redskins kept pace for the most part but wants to Sean Jackson got going that really opened up the offense for Carson Wentz he really settled in after connecting on that first bomb up the same route to Sean Jackson that opened up Erz Darren sproles roles got heavily involved as well Jordan Howard Mile Sanders all the running backs in that committee in the Backfield for the Eagles doing good work and Carson wentz steals steals a victory from the jaws defeat a one Oh start for the eagles in that NFC into Sean Jackson thirty one now career touchdowns of fifty plus jarred second most in NFL history. That's what he does and the Eagles happy to have him back in. It just looks right to Sean Jackson in Eagles uniform. That's what that's what you expect to see on on Sundays so glad to see Jack back out there doing what he does. He looked so much more comfortable in that system really happy for the guy these refound success but now we move on to another another matchup another close game bills and jets and what a wild one this one was the New York jets and the buffalo bills. Neither of them really wanted the to play offense in this one for the most part the jets scored on a pick six on a tip drill. Cj Moseley the the middle linebacker for the jets takes shakes it to the house they jump up six nothing and it stayed that way for majority of the game actually neither offense could really get anything going the Josh Allen Sam Darnold the matchup at quarterback left a lot to be desired but the jets were able to jump out to a sixteen to nothing lead and then the bills decided that they wanted to play some football they end up coming back on the road against the jets. Take that one seventeen to sixteen a wild one that difference in the scoring on the pick six the place kicker for for the jets missing the extra point and that pat went wide the jets ended up losing by that one point so a tough one out there for New York jets fans a classic classic jets lost though so close to start off WanNa know just could not get it done but you gotta tip your cap to Josh Allen and the bills leading that comeback charge big win for buffalo flow there just to get off the season on the right foot then we go back to the Mid West here with the Vikings hosting the Falcons in what looked like it was gonna be a Pretty Wild Shootout Matt Ryan in that offense always can be poised for a big game you got Julio Jones Calvin Really Healthy devante Freeman Austin who Brett tied and really promised almost to be a big scoring game for both sides granted Minnesota Vikings Defense is one of the better defenses the NFL but you'd have to think with the passing attack of Ryan and that Falcons offense they were gonNA put some points on the board but instead it was the vikings that jumped out to score early and often and it was behind the fresh running back Dalvin even cookie pops off to rushing touchdowns in this game he's back he's healthy and he showed it looked like one of the best running backs in the NFL on Sunday. There is every every time he touched the ball. It looked like he take it to the House and he got the vikings out to an early lead kirk cousins only throwing ten passes he goes eight of ten for about ninety ninety seven yards but that's all they needed in the twenty eight to twelve win the defense for the vikings fantastic game for them really kept the falcons down a last minute touchdown down for Julio Jones Save Face a little bit there for Atlanta but still a route out in Minnesota the Purple People Eaters Crab Win Number one on the year and they look like a tough tough team to beat you gotTa Stop Delvin Cook First and foremost it looks like in that offense as they really focused on getting him carries get him reacclimated to NFL game and he looked all all ready for the challenge. Falcons got to figure it out defensively they looked out of sync offensively as well even with Julio Jones and Matt Ryan that connection. That's been there for so so long just couldn't really get on the right page in that offense so something that they are going to need to address here before week to rears its ugly head for them and now we you go down to Florida in what was one of the biggest beat downs we've seen in the NFL for some time. The Baltimore Ravens just absolutely take it to the Miami. Dolphins opens fifty nine to ten Lamar Jackson was spectacular. We'll talk about but out him more as the show goes on in greater detail hail a fantastic game for Lamar though to say the least he came out ten of ten to start his day for the passing attempts he puts up fifty nine points five touchdowns for Lamar Jackson Two touchdowns rushing for Mark Ingram so the Baltimore Ravens they went out. They got their guy running back. Mark Ingram had a fantastic career career. He really did so well in the Saints Backfield as the main guy and as the one guy to change of pace with Alvin Kamara they marking or goes was into Baltimore Two touchdowns one hundred seven rushing yards really show that he can do it. He didn't even really catch any passes out of the backfield. That's another skill that Ingram does have as a pass catching back back so they had didn't even really need to use that the other big story in that Baltimore Ravens game was Marquees Hollywood Brown two touchdowns sounds on two receptions for the rookie a hundred and thirty yards of offense now just on the first two passes to him not something you see every day of burner out there at the wide receiver seaver spot cousin of Antonio Brown and he showed it right there huge game for Hollywood in his first action in the NFL he announces says his presence with authority and the Ravens look like they have a big time threat at the wide receiver position was exactly what they need to offset the rushing attack of Mark Ingram coupled with the dual threat capabilities of Lamar Jackson and like we said we'll talk more about Lamar Jackson in greater detail. Here is our goes on but we're going to look at it. What was another blow ow game that chiefs take it to the Jaguars in this game was close for a while until the devastating blow was the injury to Nick Foles we talked about Nick foles in our last show on Friday about how he's been so good in the playoffs but really as a starting quarterback in the NFL has fallen on tough times of consistent play? He looks so good for Jackson the early goings but he gets his collarbone broken when he got hit as he threw but he went out with a blaze of glory a beautiful mutable pass to the back corner of the endzone a bomb from Nick foles. If you haven't seen it look it up on the highlight reels it was a fantastic throw a perfect pass for the touchdown catch team minute but he broke his collarbone on the hit he took right as he let the ball co that ended his day but Garner minhsiu the second the rookie quarterback. We're back out of Washington state. He kept his team around twenty-six points to forty is not too bad for Jacksonville considering they had to keep pace with that Patrick mahomes offense garner minhsiu mentioned fourteen of seventeen passing. That's exactly what you want out of your rookie thrown into his first. NFL action he looked solid back there. He looks like a quarterback that can really lead his own team at some point of his career but Jacksonville is GonNa need him to do that. A little bit earlier than anticipated Nick foles going to be out probably six to eight weeks with a collarbone injury injury like that so garner mints you can be thrown right into the fire the Jacksonville Jaguars defense though one of the premier defenses in the NFL got exposed by this chiefs. She's offense Patrick Mahomes make it look so easy throws for three hundred I believe two yards passing in the just the first half of action of that game he ended up game game with about three hundred and eighty plus yards of passing on the day a bit of an ankle injury from a homeless pretty shook it off didn't miss any game time for it so nothing that he should be too worried worried about the chiefs jump out to a one nothing excuse me at one start to their season Jacksonville Jaguars Owen one but they look solid they can get good quarterback quarterback playing their defense can ratchet it up. They could be a team that can make a run in their respective division. One of the more surprising results of Sunday's action action was the result of the Cleveland browns playing host to the Tennessee Titans and it always happens it seems like in the NFL teams get hyped up preseason. We saw this one Michael Vick and the Eagles formed quote unquote super team out in Philadelphia. They got to the playoffs but nothing more we've seen in a couple of other times the NFL when big free free agent acquisitions happen. Maybe a couple especially in one offseason for a particular team and the hybrid really starts to build in this age of social media doesn't help tamper that hype at all and this time it was the Cleveland browns getting all the talk that Baker Mayfield Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham Junior Nick Chubb is was getting hyped up as the next great running back and what we saw from the Cleveland browns was disarray on the offensive side of the ball and an absolute collapse on the defensive offensive side of the football all this talent on Cleveland you can't argue with that they have one of the most talented rosters player to player in the NFL but schematically just it left a lot to be desired and the Tennessee titans took advantage of that Marcus Mariota led his titans offense Derrick Henry Fantastic Day two rushing touchdowns for the big former former Alabama running back as he's looking to have a fantastic season out there in Tennessee and he got started off on the right foot of the browns have some issues to address Baker Mayfield led his team team down and score a touchdown their opening drive to get the season underway but it was really all downhill from there is the browns just could not get anything going even with that elite Talent Talon on the offensive side of the ball that Tennessee titans defense kept them bottled up all game long turnovers hurt Mayfield as well some ill-advised passes created extra extra opportunities for the titans they took advantage weighing that game by thirty one of the bigger upset upsets and bigger blowouts of opening week one browns of not one a week one game since two thousand four and since the turn of the century they've only won one game on week one they've lost eighteen and tied one on as well as we're GONNA take another look here at one of the closer games in the NFL the rams and the panthers this one. If you're watching it was a good one it was back and forth with all game long Christian McCaffrey and His Excellency on Display for Panthers team. They have Cam Newton still nursing that ankle injury a little bit but Christian McCaffrey he took over in that game to keep his team close jared goff in the Rams sputtered a little bit out of the gate but got it together dog early rush for ninety seven yards and though Sean mcvay mcvay said that he wasn't going to have a snap counter a pitch count he was going to be in as much as they could get him in there you only had nine rushes at one point deep into the fourth quarter. He ends today. We're just ninety. Seven yards wasn't really a factor in the passing game so todd Gurley. We're not exactly sure what is up early but he clearly was not is not the Todd Gurley we remember at least by this week one performance his usage just not the same Malcolm Brown two touchdowns rushing for the rams that Kinda shows right there they went away away from early on goal line plays and just times you expected to see number thirty in there. He was absent from the game. The Rams did take it thirty to twenty seven. They lean on that defense a little bit just to hold off the panthers in that fourth quarter Christian McCaffrey like we said did all he could but just not enough as the panthers fall short by three three in their opening contest at home rams a big win on the road there to get started to one and a record panthers GonNa look to rebound but one thing we do know about that Panther squad squad McCaffrey is looking to have a huge season. He's a guy that out rushing the ball fantastic he can catch the ball in space. He's running routes like a wide receiver. The main is all all over the field. You're just waiting for him to touch the ball. They was impressive to watch from the former Stanford running back and going to be a fun season as long as McCaffrey stays healthy. We could really see something and special from number twenty. Two as the season goes on RAMS GONNA look to improve that passing attack goffin his wide receiver especially Brandin cooks just a little out of Sync Gov at times missing guys like Cooper Cup that had those intermediate routes they were open golf made some ill-advised throws but they still come out with the thirty to twenty seven Evan wind do the rams were going to keep looking around the NFL review in week one action here on the GSM see football podcast. We'll take a short break and we will return. We're GONNA look at another close game. The bengals and seahawks came down to the wire out in Seattle. We'll be right back with more an analysis here on the GMC football podcast. 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GS MC PODCAST DOT COM for more Info uh-huh Welcome Back Act football fans GSM see sports football podcast even looking around and fell week one first Sunday in the books. We were just talking about the ransom panthers now. We're GONNA look at another close game. A real nail biter out there in Seattle is the hawks plan host to the Bengals a twenty one twenty win goes the seahawks way. Andy Dalton passes for a career high four hundred eighteen yards in the loss for the bengals and the one of the big stories for Cincinnati Natty Joe Mixing just unproductive day. I've running back with he came up a little injured on one of the plays and that definitely left led to his lack of production and he's a guy they need. He was the rushing champion in the AFC this last season and he's got an offense is really gonNa lean on especially that Aj Green is going to be mixing Tyler Boyd Tyler I for at the tight end in that game a lot for the bengals as a receiving option but the seahawks behind an impressive day from Chris Carson's at running back as long with de he came metcalf so much hype around him after his physicality was noted in the coal mine and in some Jim Pictures The hawks drafted him and they really used him a lot he he was one of the top targets in the offense for Russell Wilson Tyler Lockett stretch the field for a big touchdown late in that game as the Hawks rate will take it twenty one twenty so they keep pace with the rams both of those. NFC West team starting off one annot bengals an old one starting a tough one there on the row look might be able to steal one in Seattle but the hawks just able to hang on and P carroll gets win number one of the twenty nineteen season a lot of close games in week one of course that one not to be outdone by the chargers colts game in San Diego Austin equitor the running back for the San. Excuse me the Los Angeles chargers as Austin editor game winning seven yard rushing touchdown in overtime he was of course the backup to Melvin Gordon. WHO's still in his holdout in Ecuador looked fantastic caustic in this game taking the place of Melvin Gordon and the production? was there echlert fantastic game one of the lead options in that offense for the La chargers Archer's Philip rivers did what he normally does just picked apart the colts defense for thirty points twenty four twenty four as they went into overtime time. The chargers got the ball to begin in the colts. Never saw the charge right down the field scored that game winning touchdown Jacoby look very solid as as the new lead man under center for the Indianapolis Colts Marlon mce fantastic game rushing popped off one hundred and forty five yards like it was nothing with a touchdown as I was still with time left to go in that game and Jacoby reset it was interesting you thought with Marlin mackey was going to be so tough for him. The rush with Andrew Luck gone. You'd think that the boxes we're going to be stacked. Everyone knows that Marlin Mac had a really nice season last year. especially the back half of that twenty eighteen season you would the thing that all the linebackers all the defensive backs would be keyed in on trying to stop the Coles running in and make Jacoby percent beat him with his arm but he showed that he had the capability to do that he and T. Y. Hilton Hooked Up Multiple Times in that game for some big yardage plays Eric Ibran at tight end was a really nice option for set as well so that opened it up for Marlin Mac and he gash that defense so look for the colts. Maybe a little bit of a surprise offensively here that has twenty two thousand nine season goes on that's a tough Oh and one star for them. A big one no start for the chargers the colts even without Andrew lucked still looking dangerous on the offensive side of the ball and as it goes with all the overs and unders lines put on games each and every week it's so interesting to see how the scores shake out and the forty niners buccaneers game the line was was fifty combined points for the two teams and of course it ends forty eight total points the buccaneers niners there was no offense in this game for the majority of it and then the back half half especially in the fourth quarter both teams decided to start going at it and it was the forty niners defense that one then this game to pick sixes Richard Sherman his first interception return for a touchdown as a forty niner they'd beat the buccaneers thirty one seventeen Jameis Winston a tough game for famous James. The former Florida state seminal no really struggling with three interceptions on the day really looked out I think he had the one touchdown pass to Chris. Godwin was threatened in their quite nicely meeting Richard Sherman on the coverage for the forty niners. Jimmy Garoppolo Garoppolo didn't look fantastic either in his season debut the niners get the job done a big win on the road against Tampa Bay a one star in the NFC West had a very nice week one here in the NFL season the buccaneers Oh and one's GonNa be a tough season for them. There's no unreal running back options there as we saw Peyton Barbara Ronald Jones the second both with underwhelming performances and it's tough running behind that buccaneers line a lot of offensive offensive weapons for Winston. He's got Mike Evans Chris Godwin. OJ Howard just really couldn't get anything going in the passing game and Winston was benched in favor of I've fitzpatrick last season. He's in danger of that again. If he continues this play as he had in week one but will see as the season goes on buccaneers a team to watch might might be making a move at quarterback spa and the niners happy to get this start one annot as they're really looking for the Jimmy Garoppolo era to begin out in San Francisco. We had another huge divisional match up here in week. One who was the cowboys and giants one of the oldest rivalries in football and this one not as close as the giants were hoping in a blow out in favor of the cowboys thirty five to seventeen but even though the score makes it look a little closer than it really was on the field cowboys dominant in this one that Dallas offense looked fantastic DAK prescott fantastic day four passing touchdowns ties a career high Ezekiel Elliott didn't look like he missed a beat out there. He had a solid game Amari cooper the new number one option after being traded to Dallas from the Oakland Raiders last season had a nice game as well Michael Gallup opposing him as the number two wide receiver in that offense for Dallas looked like he was going to be just that another good wide receiver option for Dak Prescott who picked apart a giants defense. Just doesn't the have too many weapons on that side of the ball. Eli Manning and Saquon Barkley did what they could have and Ingram had a nice game tied end but there was just no stopping that Dallas offense as they cruise to a WanNa know start to their season and wrap up the last two games of action. GotTa talk about the cardinals and the Lions a game aim where we saw some rookies really showing out the number eight overall pick. TJ Hopkinson out of Iowa the tight end for the lions this white you draft a tight tight end number eight overall. You'RE GONNA use them a hundred and thirty one receiving yards and a touchdown his first. NFL action some rookies around the League we had saw marquees Hollywood Brown with a great game now. TJ Hawkins out there with a fantastic game at tied Eric Brown thrived in that system with Matt Stafford at the quarterback spot and Hopkinson Hopkinson no different he was getting targeted regularly in that passing offense Marvin Jones junior and Kennedy Golladay the other two big weapons for Stafford in an underwhelming day for the running back Kerryon Johnson his he had sixteen rush attempts. Just really could not get going didn't get over the fifty yard mark in this one and that's one of the reasons is that allowed the cardinals to come back so much passing from Stafford losing completion stopped the clock and there was enough time for cuyler Murray to figure it out as he horrendous first first half for the Arizona cardinals but he figured it out especially in the fourth quarter he started firing on all cylinders. The former heisman trophy winner from Oklahoma showed showed why he was number. One overall picky led his team back to tie the game at twenty four a piece he forces over time they get the ball to the cardinals to begin overtime Murray drives them down the field. They get a field goal and the Lions and Stafford in response Matt Prater banks through a field goal their own the game ends in the twenty seven twenty seven tie but an impressive of showing for Cuyler Murray yearly rebounded nicely it just look like the Lions we're GonNa Cruiser this win but Murray pulled his team back and at least was able to force a tie to to begin the season for the cardinals and you'll take it if you watch the majority of that game it really look like the lions just GonNa cruise but without an effective running game they just really couldn't establish a lot of control troll on a possession as the game got into the later stages not allowed the cardinals and with Larry Fitzgerald at the wide receiver spots sometimes tyler mergers had to throw it up there and let the big man go get it was sixteen years in the NFL Larry Fitzgerald still doesn't look like he's missing a beat out there some huge catches for him not only the touchdown to force overtime as well as he makes the big grab to get them into field goal range of bomb from Kyle Murray that he hauled in down the left hand side line able to push that twenty seven twenty-seven tying impressive start for the cardinals and an impressive start for the Lions Matt Stafford throws about three hundred thirty yards of offense out there for Detroit and they look pretty good if they can establish Abbas carry-on Johnson that offense really could have some very viable weapons and then we're going to look to the Sunday night football game and this was a massacring by the Patriots they showed why they're the defending champs and they showed why they're going for another super bowl ring this season they get the steelers in Foxborough. Ben Rothlisberger has had zero success in his career going into foxborough five and no is Tom Brady in that matchup regular and postseason games and this one was no differ make it six no no for TB twelve thirty three to three just beating by the Patriots as they looked unstoppable on offense so many weapons Sony Michelle Michelle only Russia's for fourteen yards. He was really a non factor as that was the one piece of the offense that the steelers defense could control. TJ wotton those linebackers Devin even Bush the rookie just draft in the top ten by the steelers this season they were able to stop Sony Michelle cold in this game but James White catching passes out of the Backfield Julian William Eshelman Josh Gordon the flash himself look fantastic and this one some big grabs for him and you just Tom Brady surgical like as ever just picking apart that secondary for the steelers really just exposing that defense for thirty three points Gostkowski with some good fuel kicks as well the steelers just three points look like he was going to be a coming out party potentially for Juju Smith Schuster but was such a tough match-up Stefan Gilmore the lead cornerback for the Patriots and one of if not the best cornerback back in the NFL pretty much locked Juju Smith Schuster down he did have six receptions in the game on about eight targets but just really couldn't get any big plays going big Ben. He led the League in passing with fifty one hundred passing yards last season just to not look right here in game one you try to attributed to the fact that the Patriots or the Patriots and that defense was just it's too good in that game they had so much time to prepare and because of that preparation they were able to shut down the steelers entirely you're hoping that Big Ben can figure it out and the steelers in week two and a cupcake matchup against Miami will be able to get back on the right foot but in this one big Ben to not look great number seven for the steelers old reliable had a tough game out there. They're gonNA need to really figure something out in the offensive meeting room prior to their week two matchups here in the NFL as they just got expose the Patriots. Though I wanNA know started dominant one in all star Tom Brady I quarterback with three hundred plus passing yards in a game at the ripe age of forty two plus as Tom Brady now will get another weapon in Antonio Brown. We'll talk more about that as well as the show goes on here on the GMC football podcast. We're GONNA look at the Games coming up here however Monday night Texans going into the Superdome to play the saints. It's going to be a nice quarterback match up out out there in New Orleans. It's going to be the Shawn Watson against drew brees could be a high scoring affair. I would look for the saints to take this one. Though it's home opener it's week one in the superdome and it's drew brees. It's Michael Thomas. It's Alvin Kamara that's going to be a potent offense once again this season the Texans defense no slouch themselves probably the better defenses in the NFL of course Jj Watt. You always have a chance but there's just really very little hope to keep this saints offense contained shawn pain and drew brees going to drop a fantastic game plan. I'm sure look for the saints to impose their will offensively the Texans. I'm sure what the Shawn Watson looking to do. Some damage their own they got new running back Duke Johnson in the Backfield and of course they have nuke out there on the wideout spot de'andre Hopkins Look and have a big week one could be a shootout the saints defense though however has looked solid last season they were one of the better defenses in the NFL. They had a nice to have a nice secondary. Lockdown corner and Marcus Lattimore look for the saints is to be able to pull this one out but it should be a high scoring affair expect the saints to score probably around forty points as is usual for them on opening nights. You could see the Texans go about maybe twenty seven Evan respectively and we're GONNA look to the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum for what could be or should be at least the last season Oakland for the Oakland Raiders. They're playing host to the Denver Broncos and this is going to be an interesting match up no Antonio Brown as he has gone so raiders new number one wide receiver is going to be tyrel Williams tmz look for Darren walls that waller at the tight end spot to have an increased role especially with ABC Gone Hunter Renfro the Clemson wide receiver in so many big games for the the Tigers going to try to make a big pro debut as well. We've already seen a couple rookies do it can he do it. As well. Josh Jacobs another rookie on the offensive side of the ball for the raiders needs to have a big game it the Raiders WanNa take this one should be interesting running back matchup Josh Jacobs for the Raiders Philip Lindsay trying to follow his his all pro season with a good start in week one one for the broncos he should be fed early and often in this one joe flacco at the quarterback spot relearn learning a new broncos offense could be leaning on his running back in the backfield to really push them through raiders defense projected to be one of if not the worst in the NFL very young a lot to prove it should be an interesting game between those two. AFC West rivals always bad blood between them when they square off so it should be a fun one out there in Oakland as the night will be dark and the stadium will be loud for the raiders but Saints Most Likely GonNa take it over the Texans. If I had to pick out probably say the Broncos are just GonNa be too consistent on offense flacco. He'll take his shots when he can but but that defense for the broncos are GonNa look to stop the run. Make Derek Carr beat him. That's something that car really just hasn't been able to do ever since he broke his leg in twenty sixteen. It's a big prove at year for or D. C. Out there in Oakland. It should be a fun one tonight as we're gonNA take a break. We're GONNA come back. We're GONNA take a look around the league a bit more here at other games that went on in the the NFL when we return here on GSM see sports football podcast. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between view in life. You want to live CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CD medic available online and at cvs these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. 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GMC PODCASTS DOT COM backslash emme Dash podcast don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit gs MC podcast dot com for more INFO uh-huh and as we jump back in here on the football podcast Davis Ellington here with the we've talked about all the Games on Sunday of football action. We've gone over a bit of the Monday night action. We're GONNA see upcoming here later this evening. Now it's time time to go back and look at some of the highlight really some of the great players of week one and really some of the interesting performances that we saw from some teams and we're GonNa Start of course course with Sean Jackson a great game out there in Philadelphia so happy to see that guy doing well Carson Wentz really out of sorts in that one until he started hooking up with Sean Jackson he had a monster. Mr Game did G Jacks threw three touchdown passes as well eagles trying to be dangerous again that Defense Really Kinda got tested a bit with the redskins not something that was expected expected going into the game so eagles a lot to figure out as the season goes on but we had a big match of second year quarterback Sam Darnold Josh Allen going at it in the the jets home stadium but the bills take it seventeen sixteen. We've talked about this one and Josh Allen so much hype around him coming out of the draft out of the University of Wyoming combing the big running capable quarterback with the gunslinger arm and the bills went out they got their guy so much hype around him and really just haven't seen much much from Josh Allen in the ways of development as he really struggled against the jets defense that for the most part of this game held him down the fourth quarter it started Sibley. Cj Moseley the middle linebacker really leader that jets defense got hurt and once that happened that defensively lost that cohesive you edge that they had for most of the game and the bills were able to score score on some bigger plays and they were able to pick apart the jets down the stretch to steal that game out from under New York but on the other side of Sam Darnold and other guy with so much promise coming coming out of USC the Trojans quarterback really had so much hype around him of another big pick. The jets got their guy that they were excited about he was picked right after Baker Mayfield field when number one overall to the browns darnold and we in year one for the jets underwhelming but you could see that there was the glimmers here and there every now and then he he had a big game for the jets passing wise and he didn't do terribly in this one either Robbie Anderson had a nice game at the white out spot for the jets but other than that Dr just see inconsistency still remains for him under center and that's something that the jets need to figure out a way to get him more calm in the pocket more reliable viable I also as some of his passes are right on the money and some user started left shaking your head so donald a guy that has so much promise but really the near to doesn't look like he's really ready to put it all together for this New York jets team but the defense for the jets at big highlight for them in that one and then Dalvin Cook a guy you gotTa talk about we'll talk about on our fancy podcast as well as he was tremendous for the Vikings and on the other side of the Ball Matt Ryan struggled for the Falcons his timing looks so off we even with Julio Jones Calvin really had that one touchdown catch nice throw by Ryan there on the wheel routes Ridley but other than that really that play in particular the Falcons offense held down by this defense of the Minnesota Vikings so the Falcons with what is always one of the highly regarded offenses in the league came out with a whimper on Sunday in that twenty eight to twelve loss but one of the big players we want to talk about here on this segment is going to be Lamar Jackson so many questions around the Louisville quarterback when he got drafted people were saying you should be a wide receiver these fast but he's just now. NFL type quarterback. We've heard this song in dance with so many guys coming out of college. The run pass option quarterbacks Lamar Jackson did it so well for Louisville rose them to prominence and there is just so much negativity around him come draft time. The Ravens ended up taking him at the very back end of the first round and everyone was questioning why the Ravens did that. They said you could wait they said why did you draft as a quarterback. He's more valuable as a wide receiver and this was his big chance to prove everyone wrong. He had a great match up against the dolphins. If if he was GONNA have a big game it was gonNA be right here right out of training camp and sure enough Lamar Jackson comes out four touchdowns right off the bat no problem he he looked a fantastic in this game ten of ten to start he hit Hollywood brown the rookie wide receiver of Oklahoma for some huge gains in the passing in game two long touchdown Hollywood hundred thirty yards on those two passes combined for those two guys and Lamar Jackson definitely a force to be reckon with in Baltimore Laczi as it goes on but with Mark Ingram in that backfield the Ravens really have a nice complimentary offense there you can run the ball with Mark Ingram twenty times a game no problem album. He's a bell cow back you can also do a little. RPO With Lamar Jackson you can put drops in place for him to run the ball and of course he can throw as he showed tremendous accuracy accuracy tremendous velocity on the ball really great game from the Mark Jackson so excited for this young man in his second year in the NFL really getting a shot to prove himself and he's shown shown the ravens made the right move and that they're gamble for now is definitely pay off and then on the flip side of that coin is the disappointments wait minutes from week one in that has to be highlighted by the Cleveland browns forty three to thirteen drudge was given to them by the Tennessee titans and Baker Mayfield. He looked very good on the opening drive goes right down scores a touchdown no problem Brown's look like they're gonNa grip it and rip it in this game and then after that something happened happened in that Brown's offense they lost all capability to push the ball down the field even with so much talent Nick Chubb really got bottled up in this game no running game game for the George running back as he really struggled in this one and that really kinda fueled the fire on the offensive side of the ball for the browns they just crumbled underneath that Baker Mayfield eight feel forced to drop back in pass made some ill advise throws trying to threat it through coverage and because of that he just really couldn't get anything going and the browns would that forty three to thirteen loss a tough one there in Cleveland you gotta rebound from it but we'll have to see as it goes on all that talent but you ought to have a system around those his players if you're gonNA have success browns with a tough loss big win for the Titans Marcus Mariota another prove at your for him much like Derek Carr these quarterbacks trying to show that they're still worthy or the of having the main role in these offenses on the NFL side of the ball and Mario too good game in week one to get things going underway for Tennessee him coupled with Derrick Eric Henry could be a good one two punch for the titans as we keep looking around the League at some performances we talked about Christian McCaffrey already an amazing amazing game out there in Carolina for the running back and then Jacoby Bruce said another Guy Wanna touch on both he and Marlon Mac tremendous games even in a loss to the charters in overtime. You have to be pretty encouraged if you're colts fan after watching Breyer set his hookups with T. Y. Hilton looked really solid his passes to e Braun and the other weapons that offense were a fantastic and Marlin Mac just imposed his will a hundred and forty five rushing yards basically through three quarters of that game he was just gashing the chargers defense and that's a a good defense they got Bosa Derwin James Hayward they have really solid defensive backs in front seven as well and they just could not stop Marlin McHugh is a freight train that just got loose in that game impressive there for the colts running back really looking like he could be something special in that offense and the other offense. I really showed up was the Dallas cowboys offense. The Big Three of Prescott Zeke in Cooper did what you expected to do. They were as advertised and that's there's a lot of hope hope in Dallas right now as well. There should be tremendous game for them all around defensively Jalen Smith the middle linebacker fantastic comes back off that horrifying leg injury and he's having himself up pretty nice. NFL career he just got reassigned to a big money deal then he's shown that's paying off vanish the other linebacker that was another guy that the cowboys drafted and much like Lamar Jackson people asking so many questions. Why did you draft vander rush so early for he's not a first round talent? This isn't where you're supposed to go you guys reach for him and the cowboys just proved the haters wrong and vandross has been fantastic for them in that linebacker spot he and Smith really a force B reckon within the middle that defense. It's for this cowboys team and that defense built around that good linebacking core are just flying all over the field. They're young. They're aggressive. They're hungry and they're getting the ball back to Prescott in good field position. They're managing the clock well cowboys could be poised for what could be a pretty good season look for them to make a playoff push as it goes was on as long as they can keep everyone healthy and look like they did in week one air going to be a tough team to beat in the NFC as they just gave it to the giants thirty five seventeen it is the giants it's one of those regarded as the worst one of the worst teams in the NFL this season upcoming but still an impressive win for the cowboys it would have beaten most teams on that Sunday with the performance that they were able to put out there on the field in that one at home in Jerry world another impressive performance talk about Cuyler Murray of course touched touched on them a little bit really tough started the game for him. The pro football defense of the Detroit lions welcomed Hinduism sacks. They are making a move making them run on and you could see. He wasn't really aggressive in his running. He wanted to sit back. He wanted to throw the ball. He knew that cliff Kingsbury offense was built around him being able to be a passer he had David Johnson as a safety blanket in the running back spot and of course Larry Fitzgerald always such a dependable target in the passing game and Murray used his legs a little little bit when he had to but he wasn't overly reliant on them and that's always good to see from a run pass option quarterback Tyler Murray he trusts his arm strength. He's got plenty of it and a really nice job by Kyle gets his team back ties. The game forces overtime came ending in a tie and really impressive performance from both sides lines. Look good in that tie I tune these teams deserve to tie this game. I would say the Lions for the majority game with more impressive team but they couldn't put the game away with clock management with the ability to run the aw that somebody got to work on they have to continue to bolster and better that offensive line for Kerryon Johnson a very capable running back that really just could not find any gaps in the cardinals front seven here in this one cardinals Lyons with that draw to begin the season and we could talk about the Patriots we talk about the steelers but we talked about already and there's really nothing more for to save just a beating by the Patriots they came out Bella Checking Brady did what they do. They show how good they are. The one of the big highlight performances is actually Tom Brady himself. You would the thought they'd probably rely on Sony Michelle a little bit more to run the ball. He got fourteen Russia's rushing yards. He had plenty of attempts. Just really couldn't get through and you could see now. The offense of the pagers agers adjusted on the fly. They said Okay we can't run the ball right now. Michelle's getting bottled up. We're GONNA keep going to him to keep pounding and keep establishing the running game but Brady's GonNa do a braves GonNa do then. He was hitting all of his receivers. That didn't care who you were. As long as you're aware in Patriots Jersey were getting looked at Philip door set catch a touchdown pass Flash Gordon catches catches touchdown pass Jewish settlement does with Julian Edelman. Does those slant route. He's taken heads making plays. James White was feature out of the Backfield in the passing offense as well and it just an impressive all around win by the Patriots at Defense Fantastic Shuts Down Ben Rothlisberger Smith Schuster and James Connor for the steelers as Pittsburgh really just they look they just looked outmatched in this one and it shows on the scoreboard shows in the box score. You're patriots and Tom Brady. Even though he's well over the age of forty not showing any type any signs of slowing down Patriots really going to try to make another run at the postseason run a super bowl and when they add a be definitely within the carves they're even trying to get Gronkowski to come back and give Brady another weapon like he needs it. That's really a wrap up of some individual performances around the league here on the football podcast. We'll take a short break and we'll come back and touch on some more of the news pieces surrounding the NFL as we really he just grabbed all our information we wanted to get ready for week two of the NFL here on the GMC sports football podcast hi. It's Jamie progressive's number one number two employee employee leave a message at the Hey Jamie. It's me Jamie this. Is Your daily Pep Talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your acapella group mad harmony but you will will bounce back. 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You Got Davis Ellington with our final segment of the day here sports football podcast and of I look around the League at some of the story lines that we talked about going into week one and just check in a little bit on them here wall so talk a little bit more about the Monday night football games teams that are upcoming here later on in the evening and the one of the big story lines of the season was todd Gurley in that knee injury exactly what was going on with him and and we saw a really big much bigger role for Malcolm Brown the running back to rushing touchdowns for the rams girly though he said there are so those Straw McVeigh said he was not on a snap count and that he was going to be full go clearly that was not the case for girly in the thirty twenty seven Rams Win over the panthers as early just a shadow above ten touches overall in this game yet nine Russia's at one point deep in the fourth quarter ninety seven yards total for Todd Gurley in this one in the Rams uh-huh former superstar running back just did not look himself in this game. You can just see that he's not the running back. He was at one point of his career in that at something just off with him. It's got to be that knee in some way and with the increase workload for Malcolm Brown Durell Henderson didn't get the looks. Everyone thought the rookie running back who's was picked third round was going to Brown though very solid option for this rams team at running back in girly. It'll be interesting to see how the season goes on with its touches increase of they just trying trying to save him to the rams think that they can make the playoffs with a minimal usage of girly in that way once they hit the post season they can really turn their work horseback loose. That's a possibility Sean McVeigh however what in week one did not really give girly the attention that you would think and they end up still winning this game by three in a very close close matchup with the panthers team matchup of couple grape running backs between girly and McCaffrey McCaffrey statistically in the better end of that deal even though his team ones is up on the losing side of the football contest so girly GONNA be a story to watch and La because that offense really just does not work as well without Todd Gurley they managed thirty points but if girly can't be one of the main pieces that really takes an explosive element away from McVeigh's offense relies a lot more on jared goff being whoa one of the better quarterback in the NFL really be able to run that offense and at times we saw just really out of sync with his wide receivers is just week one but it's going to we something to think about for the rams as the season goes on a couple of other teams can some wins the NFC west as well so they look like they might have a tough road ahead in that division as the the season continues and of course we have to talk about the biggest storyline in the NFL Antonio Brown as it looks like the Saga Lago for Antonio in some ways is finally ending and then other ways. It's just beginning for number eighty four as Antonio Brown signs a one year prove the deal with the New England patriots and it's hilarious because there was so much speculation when all his shenanigans with the Oakland raiders were going on that really it was just a grand and master plan for Bill Ballot Check to somehow land the all world talent wide receiver and sure enough he gets released from the raiders and later that day signs finds a deal with the New England patriots another huge weapon in the offense four. Tom Brady and this has shades of what Randy Moss did when he was with the Oakland Oakland Raiders as Moss spent some time in Oakland during his games he played for the raiders. You could just see that the big hall of fame wide receivers hardest wasn't in it. He wasn't really producing for the raiders. He was not running rows for this full heart. You can just tell that he wasn't the Randy Moss when he was suiting up in Oakland and then he goes the Patriots under Bill Belichick and has a career year a record setting year with Tom. Brady Brady threw for fifty touchdown passes that offense was just a Co plays blaze away from being the first team to go perfect nineteen no as they were trying to catch the seventy two dolphins lose of course in the Super Bowl to the tremendous comeback comeback led by ally manning and the New York giants. Is this going to be just like that. Are we gonNA see a patriots team. That could possibly go undefeated after Sunday night. That's a very real possibility that defense for the Patriots absolutely shut down the steelers and if they know they're going to get just a boatload of points on the offensive side of the ball you know Bill Belichick GonNa give all of his time and effort to making sure that that defense is ready each and every week for their match Chaffetz make sure everyone's healthy ready to go that the scheme is right and we very well could see a run at history again in New England might sound a bit presumptuous just in week one one but the steelers are a classic. AFC favourite especially when they had the big three Bell Brown and Rothlisburger now with two of for those three pieces Gone Smith Schuster looks to pick up the slack for Antonio Brown but now you gotta find someone to pick up the slack for Juju that wide receivers to spot you also gotta be all be frank here that James Connor is not levy on bell. We saw that in that game Sunday night so the steelers were still a good test offensively always are fantastic and brady made them just look like a peewee football team out there as he had no problem going for thirty three points in that game and pass for over three hundred yards. You put a be in that mix makes with Josh Gordon Julian Edelman the running back tandem of James White as well as Sony Michelle is going to be a really tough challenge to beat this patriots triage team and because of that you who's to say I mean they they could do it. They could do it. You can't say they can't there. There is a real world possibility with the addition of Antonio Brown that the Patriots could make some history but now we gotta look back at how this came to be an Antonio Brown you could tell really from Gecko once he got into camp once he started running some routes with Derek Carr in this raiders offense something clicked in his head that he did not want to be in Oakland. I mean he you did the cryotherapy happens and you chuck that up to operator malfunction with the frostbite on the feet then he goes on this insane escapade with the helmet trying to get all that taken care of and think in trying to use his old helmet. He's used forever he. He's had six months to do it and he doesn't think that's enough time to find a new new helmet. I mean he's not looking for a new kidney. He just needs a helmet. You there's ways to figure that out to make it fit and make it be comfortable everyone else in the NFL did it why couldn't he that becomes an issue. He's stays out of training camp. He doesn't do the walk throughs. The helmuth issue did not mean he couldn't practice with the team he did that on his own accord and then goes after the general manager of the raiders after he gets fine for actions he knows our final. He did them with that in mind. There wasn't like that fine just came out of the sky on him and Mike mayock gets verbally accosted by Antonio Brown he goes on a barrage of slayer of slurs and cuss words to Mike Mayock and raiders still still planned on playing him in there Monday night game against the broncos that says a lot about the raiders as an organization that they were willing to take this abuse from Antonio Brown and take all this Prima Donna behavior that was happening with Ab and still play him Monday night when he's barely practiced with the team Y- we talked earlier in this season here on this show about how Antonio Brown by taking taking all this media attention has helped the raiders rookies developed because they haven't had to deal with it and that's still true in a lot of the raiders rookies have talked about in themselves and the second your players have said by having Antonio Brown's been nice that they haven't had to deal with the media coverage and hard knocks and that was really a lot more centered around Antonio Brown but he's also a terrible terrible example as in a way to conduct yourself as a professional with what he's done with the raiders clearly didn't WanNa be there showed the reaction video when he finally gets released from the the raiders and all of that finally goes down and I think the raiders are better off for it. You see if you're going to establish a new culture and Oakland. You can't have have this going on in your locker room on your sideline. You need to get Antonio Brown out of there if he wants out all the better let him go you cut your losses just saved a lot of the money by putting that twenty nine million that you would. We're going to pay him over the three years and Antonio Brown you get your wish you go you get to play for the Patriots I think both sides can kind of wash wash their hands of the issue but now the rest of the NFL has to deal with the Patriots and Tom Brady having Antonio Brown as a viable and very real weapon for them another thing to touch on though is this really has highlighted. How much of just a dumpster fire the raiders have been since bringing on Jon Gruden? I mean at this point. Uh of his tenure in Oakland I mean remember. He was signed ten years hundred million dollars free coach. He's not playing a doubt. I mean granted. He does the Ski Schematics you get your team ready to go but you're telling me you can't find another coach that can get your four wins in the NFL for a little bit cheaper than one hundred million dollars and what does he do before a game is played for the raiders cuts Khalil men Trades Khalil Mack trade him to the bears yeah you got a couple of picks for him but but he's gone to the bears and shown that he is a hall of fame talent he's one of the best if not the best defensive player in the NFL at any position and he has been absolutely destroying throwing it for the bears. He's made them a super bowl contender. They could find a quarterback or Mitch. trubisky could figure it out under center then he goes. You Trade Mario Cooper. Mario Cooper is GonNa Dallas Awesome. He's looked fantastic and of course you've got another pick from that but what does he do. You traded two guys two teams that are now playoff contenders each every year. You're not going to get the draft capital that you think we're GONNA get from those trade. You're getting made too late. Twenties on the first round picks for those guys so those are two very questionable trades at this point and then you go you get a B. He he backs a be the entire time condoning all Antonio Brown's actions all of the antics and now this comes back to bite him again so so far and Oakland the Jon Gruden era take two has really just been frankly a catastrophe for the raiders to begin and now you gotTa look at Derek Carr Guy. They signed a huge contract. He hasn't been able to really step up in the pocket. Ever since breaking lay you can just see that he's afraid of it that the hipster kind of setting inform his brother went through the same thing in Texas with with the Texans and this is a really a big put up or shut up your Derek Carr at the quarterback spot they might have to go and get a new man under center if he can't figure it out for the raiders here here in this season so a lot of questions going on in Oakland and we're going to see some answers here in the Monday night game. Where do they do with no Antonio Brown Tyrone Williams? You need to step up other guys guys are need to be big playmakers and it's GonNa fall on the shoulders of Derek Carr to guide his team to a big Monday night win. Remember this last season in Oakland most likely and he's on Monday night football once again got put up some big numbers. GotTa get your team a win. They've get any excitement around this raiders team right now because it's all doom and gloom for them as is in Antonio Brown now going into a fantastic situation with the patriots but that's all going to develop as the season continues on here and we've talked about this other team a couple times but need to look back at exactly what is going on with the Cleveland Browns and the Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins ex just terr- terrible game fifty nine to ten just was not what you're looking at four Miami Dolphins there are rumors that some of their players are being are calling their agents asking to be traded never a good look for an NFL franchise when you have players that don't want to suit up on Sunday to go out there and play the game. Dolphins dolphins are really in a tough spot. They've got no real answer at quarterback got no real weapons on the offensive side of the ball. Kenyan drake had a decent season last year. That's about about it as far as no worthy performances go for them. They got fitzpatrick at quarterback. Hopefully he can find the magic he had last season a little bit form just to make them a bit exciting the on the defensive side of the ball there like wet paper and the guys running right through them. It's GONNA be a tough year in Miami and and then if you're Cleveland on the on the Exact Act opposite end of the spectrum so much hype around them coming into this year and they come out at home and just absolutely lay an egg against the Tennessee titans they weren't going against the Patriots they weren't going against the steelers and weren't going against the saints. They weren't going against the rams. They had the Tennessee Titans at home Marcus Mariota Guy who has I've been struggling to prove that he is a quarterback in the NFL these last two seasons comes out edges dismantles a browns team that with all the weapons they have should have easily easily be able to dispose of the Tennessee Titans. The titans are a team where you just have to go in there saying we're going to put eight guys in the box. We're going to try to stop Derrick Henry from running everyone over like like a mack truck and we're gonNA make Marcus Mariota beat us to the air we have good defensive backs and we're GONNA force some issues with our pass rush myles Garrett on that front line should be able to do do that instead you give up forty three points pick six by Baker. Mayfield didn't help the situation he found Odell Beckham junior a couple of times in this game but nothing really know where the on that connection Nick Chubb was really a non factor in this one as well Jarvis Landry couldn't get any pressure off Oh. BJ because he was struggling to get open went on his own and really just a tough start to the season for the browns and all that hype just flies right out the window once you suit up on game day the NFL you gotta go out and prove proven browns did not go out and prove it. They need to find a way in week two to get to one and one they've they've had so much hype. You have to make the playoffs at this point. If you're the browns just to prove yourselves correct in your aspirations and it's GonNa be a tough division as always ravens look fantastic with Mark Jackson steelers. I'm sure we'll figure figure it out after the little wakeup call by the Patriots so it's GonNa be an interesting season in Cleveland could be a disappointing one for them though if they don't get their schemes figured out here in in the early going in the last thing we want to touch on tonight is some things to watch for in the Monday night game saints in Texans. There could very well be five to six hundred yards of passing in this game named Shawn Watson drew brees are going to go at it and you got Alvin Kamara Gonna be solid and he's going to be on display at the running back spot for him to make some nice catches out of the backfield Michael Thomas the needs to be a weapon he's GonNa Against John Hopkins Two of the best if not the two best wide receivers the NFL are going to be squaring off between those two guys and a couple of defenses with a lot to prove both of them kind of getting Renault. This season Houston defense within once they traded Jadeveon clowney really got the short end of the stick when it came came to the hype around their defense. Jj Watt though still there if he stays healthy that teams always got a shot in on the saints side of the football. Their defense has been good at times last season season. They were solid in the year before that so you're looking for the saints take another leap in the right direction defensively and this will be a big game if they can contain does Shawn Watson and in this game and then he looked to the Monday night game raiders and Broncos two teams that are really just you know they're. They're not exactly going to be in contention for the most likely this season raiders though need to get a big win on Monday night football. We talked about it on the Broncos side. You have Joe Flacco at quarterback quarterback now. You need to find a way to really make him involved. In the passing game you got Philip Lindsay as a back as the running back there and he should have a lock on but is it's GonNa be tough for this broncos team but they're good thing is they got that defense and you have that defense. You have a chance against this raiders team and another big is going to be this raiders defense. Can they figure out a way to stop flacco and this broncos offense. This is a good test for them early on in the season at home favorable matchup you get to be at home on Monday night football the lights he'll be bright and you get broncos offense. That's not what it was back. When manning had all those weapons of Thomas and Julian Thomas the tight end spot instead you get a flacco led the broncos offense you gotTa Stop Philip Lindsay? You got all these young pass rushers all these young linebackers built that have come in to stop the run and do just that. This'll be a good game for them to really try show if they can do that broncos. They're trying to prove that they're still a threat in the AFC west and a team that you need to be prepared for. They'RE GONNA look to go out there and you. You know kind of kick. The raiders in the teeth a little bit offensively flacco has got that big arm he could try to take the top off the Defense Jonathan Abrams at the spot the rookie of going to get tested early an often. I'm sure by this broncos. Passing attacks a look for these good matchups here on the Monday night football games as we got two more games for week one is officially in the books and that'll do it for whereas here today on the GS Mc Sports Football podcast Davis Ellington. We'll see you next time on Wednesday as we'll get ready in the mid week for what will be week two of the NFL NFL season here in two thousand nineteen five yourselves a fantastic Monday have some fun watching the Games and we'll see you next time here on GMC sports football podcast. 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Week 9 Trust Issues + Bye Week Buys + The Not So Obvious Flex!

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Week 9 Trust Issues + Bye Week Buys + The Not So Obvious Flex!

"Michael Dear ever have a name you wanted to be no no. I was called Jason. Do you get that Josh. No the I guess I look like a Jason I tell people i. We worked for AMD JOSH NEXT DAY. Always Jason I get. I get nick all the time. I don't know why and the first thing they always just call me nick and in the first and they always say when I say my name Neil. They was go neo like the Matrix. That's funny come. You are now locked in to the dodgers Welcome to the clock dodgers podcast. I'm your host Neal. We have a special guest on today's episode. Were also down regular man on today's episode with with me today as always is Josh was Josh Yeah Hi Josh you are Josh Okay. Okay so the reason Josh Russia saying that is because we don't have Adam today because he's on a trip to Boston or some other lame excuse he made. We do have a guest today. Who is also Josh? And so we're trying to figure out we're GONNA go last name. We're going to go josh. One in Josh to however you guys aside this among yourselves since you are the Josh's and not me the other Josh that we have is josh pig from Vanisi fusion. What's up guys? What's better than one Josh to I? Guess asked if you like them so you have to fill Adam shoes today. Josh I think you can handle that. No probably not. What about the other Josh? I'll try. Why are we going to go? What do I do last? Name's Josh one injustice. How do you want to do this? I prefer last day of the bird. Wants them. Respect right so they like that. You get what you what you want to be judged number two if you want to be Johnson and he's Crocker scrubs call back here call gender number one number two. Whatever you guys want is so we can go last name for Crocker? which is our original Josh and Josh Guests Josh? Do you WANNA be Josh. Should you baby. You can just call me Josh. Because everyone knows Crocker's cries or is we all know he's full Josh Josh Crocker over there so all right cool so crocker as our guys always ear and Josh will be. Do we're going to confuse the listeners. This is great. The other. Josh is our guest Josh. So let's do this. I I always like to give some background when we have a new guest up into the show. Especially since you've never been on the show before it has come a long time coming So for the sake the listeners. Obviously MIA JOT ME Crocker. Know who you are but for some people listen they might not so. Let's talk about you for a second Just really quick briefly. Fli You have a website and a podcast as I mentioned earlier fantasy fusion. How would you describe your podcast Josh on my podcast? I don't pretend that I don't listen to other fantasy podcasts. Basically so I'm not afraid to share. There are what I've heard other places. I just try to bring it all into one place so what I'm doing. This season in season is kind of doing a next week tonight thing in where I focus on. What's coming up the following week and select said? I'm not afraid to tell people what I heard here. A little bit from there little bit from everywhere everywhere but a bring it all together one place for you so you can get a head. Start on streamers good. I cells things like that. Yeah it's fusion fantasy issue football fusion F. B. DOT com. That's set me so D- Are you saying that you feel like you. Bring the news or the or the advice before they happen. Is that what you're saying here I try. I mean if you don't if you get tired of getting Alerts from your are major platforms ten minutes before game time about who would be a good play then Maybe she'd check me out and all her you the same thing the week before. It's a little bit of shots fired. I respect I respected Josh. I respect a man so so from an angle of what you feel the value that your show brings your site brings everything brings other than than all these other sources and everyone's consumer from my clock dodgers and all the other big platforms. Like you mentioned. You feel it's the just is. Is it just the fact that you think you're saying it earlier or you're saying like I listen to their podcasts. Admitting it are you are you saying that. Just from a`research standpoint or do you feel like other podcasts or like acting like they're the only voice that you're saying no I mean other people are aware of other people but actively I'm not afraid of naming names and not in a bad way but actually recommending. Gosh and it's a little bit of both of my own stuff and things I pick up here and there you know one podcast will will mention somebody. And they're not necessarily thinking about looking forward a week like I am but they mentioned something that I meanwhile back it was Dallas Guard. Someone commented that got her was getting a lot of snaps lately and so I was telling people. Hey maybe should go get got her a week before you know. He had that touchdown game two weeks ago and then another good week this week and now you probably can't pick them up so it's a little bit of both me just bringing it's more. I would say condensed. Because we're all these other podcast. That's not what they're focused on their focused on this week So it's much more up. Close I'm folks it on the next week. At least what. I'm doing an off season. Do all kinds of different things and it all dynasty focused but soares right now in season. What I'm doing? Yeah it's more of a condensed danced. Approach that you know that I'm focusing on the next week and I can bring in a lot of different ideas and takes from various places that are picked up and also like I said a lot of my own stuff right they are the answer ago. Describe and yeah. It's fun to talk to Josh whether you're listening to podcasts whether you're using the site whether you're just in chats with him or on twitter is where what's the twitter so people can find you again everything's fusion. FFB vision fantasy football so after FD on twitter and fusion SP DOT COM got. Him are cool. I assess that gives a quick summary of you. What you're about and while you're here so let's go go ahead and talk a little bit about the past week going into the future week here? Let's talk about everything we always do. In fancy the first thing I did want to start with because I feel like it significant in some sense and also I think it's about time and that's Andy Dalton being benched by the bengals. He's following Mariota's footsteps to to the bench. So either one of you can start I I guess Crocker that. I'll let you start first because you were I don't WanNa see it bothered by Marietta being benched but you were kind of like you know you felt like you is little maybe unjustified How do you? How do you feel about Dalton events? Do you feel like this one is justified. You get the longtime longtime come in or organic. You feel like they're trying to force a scout well. I think that the bengals are different place than the titans. The bengals are you know. Obviously not competing this year and they wanna find out what they have and Ryan Finley so from that perspective. I understand what they're doing but I know I'm not not I'm not super excited about it. Because the Bengals wide receivers have been producing I. It's been a little bit fickle Google. It'll be Alex Alex Ericsson a week. It'll be ONTA- Tyler Boyd will get in there and have a big week and I. I've I've used those players. I've liked seeing that happening and I'm afraid that with Ryan Finley I. I don't know that we get any conductivity at all. So even though Andy Dalton numbers on his own have not been have not been fantastic. He's been fine really's been like a bottom in and QB one. I N QB to He. He what he has been doing that is worth more to me. Is is supporting those wide receivers. I'm afraid that with Ryan Finley. That goes away. Yeah so it sounds sort of like how he felt about. MARIOTA's incense He wasn't that bad but it does feel like when Ryan Tannehill in him. The offense you guys something if you if you feel I'm wrong here but it does feel like it's more alive right. I mean there definitely is a difference definitely feels different. Josh Not Crocker. Josh Josh do do you think that this is going to play out. Kind of like the Titans did where you bench the the longtime starter and the new guy kind of brings a new Leipzig the team or do you think that this is going to be a negative effect for the bengals right now immediately. I was a bit of a defender. Her of Maryetta. Even if I said he wasn't that great but it seemed like he had some tough breaks for a long time and I was willing to give him a little bit of pass here and there but you can't deny that they're passing game has certainly come more alive than it was and see. I've got to conclude some of. That's on Marietta. So I don't think that's what we're going to see in Cincinnati though because like cropper was saying like it or not i. I'm not sure Dolton was really the problem now. He's not a transcended quarterback. That's going to lift his team up but I'm not I'm not sure he was holding them back either. I mean it feels like they're replacing him because they don't have anyone to replace offensive linemen with right. Yeah it's definitely you know we'll see if the time in plays out correctly but it does lead me into our entire trust issue segment. Kiowa wanted to talk about Dalton I because is on our trust issues I have Ryan Finley and I think it's obviously it's a big deal. You know moving forward because like like you guys were mentioning. We're not really. We weren't really concerned about any Dalton per se but the wide receivers that he was making productive. And so now you know obviously Ryan Finley whether your your plans. Glands are ever to play this guy. You're you're in a position to have to do that or whatever but even just as weapons what what what you know. I can't help but think were concerned about this right like Aj Greens had come back. Eventually he'd get traded so he'll be a Bengal and then that already come through. You know some issues into the the wire receiver area. There were we said some guys were all standing out one week in the next but I mean can Finley really do better than Dalton with like you mentioned the battle line how things are saved up. Can we really -taining better or can you only get worse. Kroger I I don't think anything about Ryan. Finley really inspires confidence. I mean he was a fourth round draft pick in a QB thirsty NFL if you are big in the fourth round rounded QB. Nobody thinks that much of you because if there was even a chance you would be Daniel Jones. You know so that that to me is a big a big problem and then his stats by themselves are not that great. College yards per attempt was thirty eight th percentile. You know his his. Qbr was quite a bit better seventy third percentile. But it's it's just underwhelming so josh you liked like to look ahead you mentioned earlier. That's kind of the way you approach things that you're showing everything if you have bengals wide receivers right now from. Aj Green Down to all the the players who have gotten hot and then disappeared. Hot is peer. Are you selling 'em all or they're ones that you're buying well. They're on by this week right. We're recipes in the C- YEP now. I'm just saying they're on by this week so I'm not even sure where you're not going to be able to see so I wouldn't be be moving if you can sell actually get something then go ahead and do that. Just because they're on by and that's ninety points again this week seem as we'll get something but Finley am I wrong. Did he come in briefly in a game with Dalton was out the season I think about it and I can't find anything anyway He I don't know I heard good things about him. Decent things about coming in but like crop I. I don't see how it'll be much better for the receivers Maybe you could say. I don't expect Boyd to lose much. Because he's still the number one guy so you would expect an inexperienced quarterback to still be the number one guy just as much but you know quality aldy per tempt may go down yeah. It's tough I mean like you mentioned. He actually hasn't come out. I don't think unless I'm missing. Something he may have came in the game and Darko passes. It was briefly It wasn't for it was either just too close at a game. Or Maybe Duncan had to go out for if he got hit in the head or something like that. Yeah get checked so it'll be interesting to see how you know. Finley does with these guys and I mean I have Finland Dynasty League so You Know I. It felt like he was worth drafting. Derek cars they got to have backups. This guy actually. I'm eight no in that league and I just steamrolled steamroll. Doug our good friend Joshua here last week. So sorry about that Josh. Well a Nasha steamrolled but it could be points pretty pretty decent right. Don't worry you're not the only one I've steamrolled everyone this year Ainhoa. I'm waiting for someone to stop me. But that's beside is a point. I made me. Maybe I'll start leggings. Ample we'll see how it goes in the playoffs. Maybe I'll start Finley when he comes back just kind of own a chance in A. That'd be nice. Yeah maybe I'll do that. We'll see so so overall right now it feels like just as far as the bengals go as far as Finley goes as far as wide receivers go I. There's no no way we can say trust for any of US right. I mean for everything. We're saying everything I'm gathering. It sounds like we have trust issues with them. Period going forward I guess the only question I have to either one of you. Do you think any wide receiver will emerge would Ryan Finley as his guy or do you think it's going to be like it was dolled in one week league. One Guy. One Week connects I if I was GONNA make a bad I would probably place a bed on the person in his playing the low A. Dot role so so so far. I think we're looking at Alexander Erickson again. It got an eight out of nine tyler boy. Both of them were playing. Pretty close. To the line of scrimmage so you know maybe maybe. He's homes in on on Tyler Boyd. But the that would be my guess and then we got Adrienne Green when he returned and of course he would just be the the guy for if he comes back in. Well that's why I would stick with boy because if AJ green does come back you kind of get a repeat of of even last season were buoyed was the underneath guy and Aj who was making room for him. So Boyd is is both the incumbent option right now and he can profit from A.. J. Green taken attention away. So we don't trust Ryan feeling but we do trust boyd to entrust. Aj Green no again. If he's is on the field someone's got to defend him so I really want them to get traded sorted. I what are they doing. I mean I don't know I guess there's a lot were pieces than I than I see with a trade like that. But why would you. Why would you keep him not that he doesn't have value? Your team is not in that place. It's funny I mean. We think that but they may think they are in that place who knows who knows thinks speaking of place where a team is at Yossi. Did you guys see Levy on bell. Come out after the trade pass what he said about the jets Noah did they seem like a video and he was like you know these things take time. I'm happy Majette like you guys understand. This process doesn't just happen overnight like you. You can't build teams as quick as you think like finding super a lot of success early so like he seems like. He's all in on the on the jet Jet Michigan State. Or I think there's a lot of people out there that I'd like to talk about. How bad a team May Bellas? Because he held out and that may not be true at all. I don't think that's a fair conclusion for someone to reach. Yeah so we'll see we'll see how the jess plow but Levian bills fan man. He's a fan with what's going on. He said he's happy to be there. speaking of a running back h his patriot Patriot Fan. I don't have a problem. With what the jets have been doing. Seems like the only bad move they made lately as geese Ah I think he's right. They are building something pretty good other than that. Yeah Tanto. He's hard for you. Know I guess from a Fan perspective you know we always want things to happen quicker than they probably probably should or can you know Arnold was what the youngest starting quarterback ever. Oh you know you're you're kind of feeling dylan right. You're kind of filling in for Adam and you can't show Donald Love at all so you got to dial that back a little bit man. You're supposed to tell he sucks. It's all do better all right The next guy on our list here is Darius Geiss. He'll be returning he'll be returned in healthy hopefully and hopefully doesn't get hurt again right away now. Obviously a has done pretty well while guys has been gone but we know that the redskins are you know weren't trying to push ap earlier in the year. They were forced to when this when you know when he got hurt so going forward no word again. We're we're talking about rest of season going forward if it's this week or just rest of RASA season. Do you guys trust Darius going forward or do you not trust him. I don't trust him. You know Adrian. Peterson has played a role that for a fantasy asset. He's he's been very up and down and that just comes with being a a running back on a below average team that also also does not do a lot of passing work and so I'm excited to see if there is guys can come in and incorporate that you know. Be The bell cow be Chris Thompson. NBA NBA. DRIAN Peterson. But as excited as I am for Darius guys I really thought that it would take Dwayne Haskins hitting for Darius guys to also hit you know because the team could get so much better and so far. We're not seeing Dwayne Haskins hit so I definitely affiliate trust issues with Darius guys as much as I think he's equality player Just is he's going to be a product of the Redskins Big maybe do you think I want to be like are your name and they told me not to break rules airman. Listen Do you think guys come in and get all the workload workload again or do you think this time they're gonNA say let's split it up evenly. Let's just keep it safe and just split both these guys make it hard for us even harder harder for us to choose who to use and if we're GONNA start them if we're going to play them or do you think they're gonna go with the youth and push it all on them but I I don't know for sure of course but I cannot imagine that in the position they are with the injury record. This this guy has that they would put it all on him at this point in the season. Well I mean why what would be the point. kit what you cannot can't add. AP This year Oregon back in easing back in slowly. The other thing that you remember here is there's been a coaching change. Since since all listen with ice and I guess I mean this could new coach. I can't remember his name but he has commented you know he wants to run the ball but I don't think that's that's means he's just necessarily GonNa give it all the guys. He's a nice upside Ad For the playoffs if your tender. That's what I'm GonNa you know. Label him as us. But I'M NOT GONNA FLY NOT GONNA put any confidence on so if you had one hundred dollars right now and you had a bid on him. How much would you put depend on? How running desperate? My team was but No more than maybe third gotcha Crocker Cesar survey or would you go lasker. You're afraid of him. You know at this point in the season. If if I'm sitting there with a lot of Fab left days guys is there. I think I'm GonNa make the playoffs playoffs. I might. I might go fifty percent or more on him because what what else are you gonNA spended on. Strew make sense makes sense so another guy that ah sounds like. We're all Kinda you know where where temporary expectation so we have to trust or trust issues is something we all trust issues again. Yeah Yeah But you know with the understanding that you know it. The problem is the redskins. That's what I go back to before for. He got her is where we're at now. It's like redskins man like just so. Hopefully the new coach they matters. We'll see but there's a whole list of guys we could go down through. Who are good situations if the guy gets hurt? Yeah and a he for me. He's just on that list. You know if ap does get hurt then maybe guys could be league winner but there's about four or five other guys. I could list that on the same kind of situation Darshan all right the last guy on the trust issues. I had to put him on here right. So this guy caused quite a fuss on twitter this past week as Mile Sanders cause more a fuss because of Matt Kelly and Afghan. Oh I can't believe the guy in twitter's name started what was the guy's name who tweeted it would allow Angela okay So so one with saying that Mile Sanders was a couple years away Matt Kelly disagreed right and that caused a lot of issues because of how he disagreed how he went about Saying he disagreed and so it causes a big fuss on on twitter which you'd have to go back and read it all to totally understand Enjoy or not enjoy but Miles Sanders was hot. Name this week and He did well he did. Well he didn't look like he was two years away so I'm curious what you guys are feeling as far as trust in him for me. Obviously really I feel like I could trust miles anders but with the understanding that you know like this may be inconsistent ride. You know right now Because you know I'm still the Big Jordan Howard Fan. I'm never gonNA take my foot off that gas pedal so I feel like you know you never know but mile senators clearly is gonNA get a lot of you. Know you're GonNa get work and clearly playmaker No matter how he gets the ball but some people don't trust them and I don't know if this game changes that for the people who say he was a couple of years away or if they still you know stay in that lane. But I'm curious where you to think Crocker you can go first and let me you know you have trust issues with hammered. You trust them. I think miles sanders is a is a good player now and just like looking at any. NFL running back. Jack saying will your your two years away from being a good running back. That's just saying you're not good. I mean I'm not. I'm not a a a tape grinder nor am I any kind of a expert on player development or any of these kinds of things but we know that running backs. are almost completely dependent on their circumstances. And it just seems Silly to me to say if this running back develops these skills that in two years he can be something when we don't have any idea what his situation will be in two years like. Maybe maybe this is good analysis for like an actual the NFL team but for fantasy football. I find it to be useless. Yeah I feel like there's also this part where like I mean for his stats. This past week right. He had three Russia's I believe for seventy four yards and then three catches for four hundred miles. Sanders are broad. Just just in the in the receiving you know give being targeted downfield and and doing well with those targets is fantastic. Yeah it's a big part of that too is like if you look at. How many yards? He's getting per reception or per attempt lake. Sometimes you get guys who are good. But they're not a grinder right. They're not the guy who has to carry the ball twenty times a game and have this awesome You know grind the team out kind of feel like sometimes guys are just good when they get the ball. You know ten sometimes a game or whenever it is from all different angles and they make one big play here one big play there and they don't do it all game long they make the big plays and they're just they're just playmakers in that sense and if that is whom I'll centers. Is that really a problem. Even I mean I don't have an issue with that right. That's what Philip Lindsay is in a sense. That's what you know a lot of guys. Are they make big plays as here there and can change games in in one play and then other than ad they may not always you know. Put together that way and it's just the way it is like. I don't think there's something wrong with that. Do you know what I mean. I don't either. I mean he is a little bit undersized. Two hundred eleven pounds thirty percentile. Bam is so you know. Maybe he's not going to be fantastic between the tackles but I just I don't know I just don't think of players like that in the NFL. It's this is Matt Waldman thing but like when when players get to the the NFL it is not learning how to play your instrument. It is practicing playing the songs you know when they are practicing what what they do. I wholeheartedly believe that they are just practicing. The plays the playbook the scheme I do not think that they are really teaching people how to play position especially running back. I just don't buy it back to that whole twitter thread by Angelo. It was a whole threat of analysis but two things about that was first of all it was it was analysis it was like tentacle scouting. You know about how how is running an angles and stuff like this But it was about how he was rushing the ball running the ball on the ground and for the past few few weeks If not three they've been getting him more and more involved in in the passing game as opposed to the Russian game At actually to Angelo's credit he admitted at the beginning of that that he was more involved in more fruit in the receiving game then he had scouted him initially so that to me. It's Kinda funny that both people could almost take wins on this because they could say well. Yeah he's not involved in the run game meanwhile match always looking at and saying he had a great game two points lanes but but from where it was from the passing game I'd actually been recommending him as streaming option versus They were playing a lot of defenses. That have been bad against receiving packs so for that very reason I actually was putting some confidence in him and And again this coming week Unfortunately he he had a really good game this week. I was thinking this would be his down the week because it was a pretty good match up but I think he's a decent high upside flex depending pending under team. But I'd stream. This sounds like this one. We all trust so. We're all in agreement on this one too and you know. Maybe maybe you're right. Josh as far as from running standpoint you know Jesse strictly running the ball maybe he has you know this room to improve in. Maybe Angelo's right in that sense but you know again I have A. I have a problem put in like a timeframe it like Crocker saying I mean that is a little weird two years out. I mean it's okay to say these are the issues but then it was a Lewitt to put a timeframe. Maybe maybe it just takes a couple of games and it's GonNa snap snap and he's GonNa get it you know and that's that's a lot of besides it's more nfl then fantasy. Yeah and so I I hate to put any kind of time frame on that. He could get it next game. You could get next season you could get it never But what we are seeing in the past game is good and he had certainly are willing to use them in. Yeah yeah he's a he's definitely usable now. He's definitely good now and you. I don't know if that argument was even a fantasy argument. Like you say righteous football analysis argument but yeah for sure we all trust them in a fancy aspect whether it's a flex or however will see how he develops but he definitely has the stay in power and enough. You know big play ability to to be worthy for sure in your lineup. So all right we all trust them. So Oh that's it for trust issues. Let's go ahead and move over to rank them or analyst three players for different reasons and we're going to rank them how he favor them From our higher favored to lower favoured so the first one we're doing is buying on the by I got three players here who are all on bi week eight this week. I'm curious how you guys would rank them. As far as who you would buy The Mo Mo most likely to buy an lease likely to by trying to get them. I'm obviously while they're you know. Owner may need a trade to fill in their spot. Or if you're just trying to get a while they're not playing whatever the reason is but these are three guys who were on by they. Are Daryl Henderson. Alex Erickson. We've seen talked about a lot the last couple weeks and a new name to the list and a new name to the podcast that we have not spoken about it all Russell Gauge So I'm GonNa go ahead and let Josh our guest guest start today on this one curious who you're buying more more light more likely by into your least likely by I'm GonNa Stash Daryl Henderson I just because I mean there's the upside with Malcolm Brown getting beat up. I'm not sure how long he's going to possibly be. I'm guessing he's back after this by but either way they they saw some good things out of him so just the upside alone Who knows when guerrillas knee decides you know arthritis decides to flare up as we get later into the season so oh upside alone? If I'm a contender he's who I want. Then I'll go in a between Ericsson engage. Look we've seen gene WOOD ACCENT IS I. I'm sorry I can't do it. I can't buy into it especially with the quarterback change at least gauge. Has that you know that word upside. So I'll take gauge next and Ericsson last interests and Crocker. Are you in agreement with this order or are you going to mix it up a little bit. No I I I think I think Durell Henderson is probably the one that you wanNA stash the most but I would also say that you know Malcolm Brown what. He's not involved in the passing game at all in the problem but he has been a good runner between the tackles. So I you know second and you Greg Forty four point seven percent. I just I don't expect him to to really completely lose that job and that that limit some of what what derails Dell's upside is that I would still take him first and then Alex Air Alex Erickson. I would take next I just I like. I like a guy that goes out and gets double-digit targets and that's that is what he has done done. At least I think it was week seven. He did that Russel. Gage I I mean I. He stepped up to fill the void. But I think that all he will ever be is the the extra targets the Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones cannot absorb I think that's I don't see a lot of promise. There may be missing something on Russell also gauge now. I think you're right as far as you know. Obviously we're seeing him more because of you know Sanu Sanu at dimension you say Durell I say Darryl. You're just this is your thing man but Yeah I mean he can be A. I don't know that offense obviously is not the team is obviously not that great. and they're throwing like crazy match. Shaab went off for crying out loud so I mean if he was at the ball like crazy it puts value on him just for that alone and then the problem is like you said. There's Julio Jones there's even Freeman. There's hooper is all the other guys that are getting targeted. So you know. How often is this as gauge? Be Productive you know and be worthy of plan so I actually with you. On the order you went with Crocker. I'm curious Josh. So why are you choosing gauge or Ericsson. What like always nothing's in a vacuum so it's GonNa depend on your team? I I certainly hope that for my team. I don't need a guide that I'm happy if he gets ten points. I'm often or more than that. Hope have other players if you really do just need a Philan- In from weeks ten on then that'd be fine. We're taking Erickson. I just worry with him. I mean you said you double digit targets while most of that came and what one driving Jacksonville to ago and then he was was six or seven last week so I mean yeah it's consistent points it's it's not much different than what would you talked about Sindhu accountable. He would give you so if you just need to fill in an absolutely have no problem with that and on Henderson. Something you said they're made me think Do we really think the the rams are doing anything this season now. I mean this is a soon to become law season for them right. It's not going. Well Yeah So. Are they really going to keep investing in Malcolm Brown OR THEY GONNA maybe turn and see what they have Henderson Anderson so that again is kind of my thinking. The Rams struggling is an interesting thing to dislike man. They've invested a lot of. Have you know draft picks and money in the guys sign. It's just like if should I get lost season man. I don't know like the the rams look a lot like my dynasty team where I bought I bought early and I was trying to win now now at an didn't go. Well yes me. What happens then? Like if the if they're not good or they're not good enough now now like where do they go from here like what needs to change. You know what I mean. Is it just too weird thing but steph because here can you know not very long. They're going to have to pay jared Goff and that's not GonNa make anything easier and rebuild and Ramsey and they can sign don signed Dalton regulated. Somebody's training for awesome for this Trail pass away. I don't think that this year is golf's fall. Dot Gov is not very good but he was not very good last year when the rams were fantastic so I I can't really put my finger on exactly what it is. That has changed but I. I don't think it's Gospel. Here's an off season. Trade could see. which is nick? foles go in Ele- replacing off. We'll see guys I don't know I think golly I'd never been a huge golf fan and I thought I was kinda reconsidering that last year. What yeah on an all atom isn't a nicer there's better options around anyway so Adams and he killed you when you? Here's his podcast. Man Love in darnold hating on golf off it is Finn into me and Crocker steams over here. Man It's great All right the next group that we have here is why receivers. Josh Reynolds Goths teammate. Chris Conley foes teammate. And any Amendola looking at this for I guess Redraft Obviously Amendola on here recipes in Crocker. Late you start man. This is a tough group gourmet. I mean Josh Reynolds came in replaced Brandin cooks targeted day. Times which beats out the usage brandin cooks has been kidding vizier so I would whatever it is. That's going on with the rams in Brandin cooks is not getting a lot of usage which is very very disappointing. And part of me just wants to see if Josh ruled can do something different so i. I'm a somewhat excited about Josh Reynolds. At Conley commonly has been been seeing usage should last two or three weeks with the jags in. It's not just because Didi was out so I value there too. I mean he's been getting six seven eight targets of anonymous taken. And then Danny Amendola I think may be the actual beneficiary of of Kerryon Johnson. Going Away with the the you know the short passing game so you know I think most upside it is probably probably Josh Reynolds olds. Because Chris Conley should have already fired and Danny Amendola. We know what he is so I I would go in that order. Reynolds Conley Amendola Ola. But I don't know I'm not I don't feel extremely set in that ranking Josh. I wish you were than it would be more fun than I disagreed. Disagree with that. Also look this is similar with the you know. Do you want upside or do you want a solid fill in so I'd probably take Amendola. I wore confident going back to the no confidence trust issues here I would. I would go amendola I just because I think he's going to get you more consistent. Points Reynolds definitely is is next. It's between those two Just nick because of the upside like you said he's. He's always done well in the past when he got inserted into that that third wide receiver role in In McVeigh's offense so I think it looked like he just kept doing it again this week. Chris Conley Yeah. He's getting those targets now but he was at the beginning of the season two and then all of a sudden it disappeared again. So who's to say it's not gonNA disappear again I I'd have to check on on. How Serious de he west Brooks injury was and that he's going to be out more than a week or two? That would obviously sway me but all right I respect both your takes. I'm GONNA GO Amendola. I I just think he's like like Josh mentioned here. If you're looking you can just for consistent guy to put in the lineup at you trust that you hoping. NFL You too much. I feel like he's a safe bet. At this Point Matthew Stafford singing the rock everywhere they have the ball crocker mentioned running backs out. Start running backs out so I think manolas a safe play you know from week to week. I'm actually going to go Conley second though. I'm not buying the Reynolds thing yet. He's only done one week. He's only play good one week. Conley if you look back at his stats. What's these are? These are games. That he's had ninety seven yards seventy three yards a big lull thirty seventeen twenty six zero pry out that week but then up to eighty three and one of the next two following games two touchdowns on the year. He makes big place right so with men shoe Conley. I'm not mad ad like their. There's something there there's something there I don't I'd have to dig deeper to see why it's happening and disappear and like that. But the Josh Reynolds rentals thing I mean I don't have enough consistency to believe in that. And then there's so many other wide receivers. They're super talented talking about the running backs that are talented golf. You Know Oh struggling. Just not. Fans of 'EM Yeah I'M GONNA put Reynolds last song. I'm going to go Amendola Conley Reynolds. I totally delivery that if I had to start. What are these guys for the rest of the year it would be Danny Amendola? You were just picking Reynolds when out early