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This date '06: The Adam Dunn grand slam that rocked GABP

Lance McAlister

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

This date '06: The Adam Dunn grand slam that rocked GABP

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Ronnie Dunn Reveals Which Song He Would Eliminate From A Brooks & Dunn Set List + Morgan2 And Mike D Are Going On A Double Date + Bobby Has A New Voice In His Head

The Bobby Bones Show

00:00 sec | 10 months ago

Ronnie Dunn Reveals Which Song He Would Eliminate From A Brooks & Dunn Set List + Morgan2 And Mike D Are Going On A Double Date + Bobby Has A New Voice In His Head

"I check it out. Sholom God you brought to you by just mercy. Based on the incredible true story you Bryan Stevenson. A modern day hero attorney and freedom fighter who story affects all of us and despise us to do good and be better his deeply moving and inspiring films. Show the never ending fight for equal justice and the power. One person can have to create world difference starring Michael Jordan Jamie Fox and Bree Lawson every generation. has this hero meet ours. Just mercy now playing only in theaters. Your Buddy. Mr Bob Transmitting of America is about yeah boy. Oh boy we've got a good show today Ronnie Dunn from Brooks and Dunn's GonNa come by again and hang out love that guy. Let's see what's happening happening in everybody's life here is we get to the the first Friday of of the twenty twenty right right right technically set. Oh thanks so our studio morning all right. WHAT'S THE HELPS A? What's what I give you an idea idea of what I do in the morning before I get to work I walk into my office and there are two stacks of papers one thick stack on the left is all the station? Liners where it's like. Hey It's bobby big ninety five Vice Chicago and I cut a page for them. I DO DENVER DO Pittsburgh. It can roll through the other side of the page of commercials for the show the national show and also for the local all markets. And I meant that I'll I'll I'll do and I was doing this commercial for a place called Nordic stone in Wichita Kansas and so this is how it starts. Hey it's perfect time to update your home with granite or quartz countertops from Nordic stone. And then I do the commercial and I give it up. But I'm talking to amy about it. And that's what amy did before she joined the show. She we sold countertop. Grant Guess wanted a place like this. I sold to them so like I would the wholesaler. So my company imported all the stone and then fabricators such as Nordic would buy from me or send their clients to pick out the big slab and then I would never see the finished product really but my go knock on the door of the house to do that but yeah no I would sell the big slabs of it. Well the reminded me that should come on and let her know what came here. She was literally is only Rockin and I hired her from that can be my sidekick like I worked in a granite yard in Austin I mean summer days were like a hundred plus degrees outside and I'd be hiking through to measure some piece of rock for somebody and she took a pay cut to come over here. Yeah that's what's a what's that amy so. I need advice on how to get out of conversation without being rude because I had some stuff going on here. I mean we always do. We're doing the show so if we run out to the hallway to go to the bathroom or grab something from the kitchen hitchin real quick and someone tries to start a conversation. It gets awkward. 'cause I gotta go. We have a live show happening. You ready to give I 'cause I I'm so awkward cord and then I'm like why am I do this and I just here in the studio I just go Oh crap and then I walked off. Wow and they're like oh something just happened. They don't know Sometimes there's nothing happening I'll be like Oh crap and then I just take off. And they're like Oh we must have an emergency every time never not worked okay very little piece around to see if it worked or no. No I'm telling you if I was talking to somebody and you and I were talking Eddie and you're like Oh crap and you took off. I'll be like oh he had to go get some business must have been someone. Yeah that's the move especially here. Thank you for that and welcome advice administered A. What's that I want? WanNa know if I overreacted. Because we go to a specialist every week for my wife's pregnancy because she has just Asian diabetes so eh get to measure the baby and on this once a week and we go to the same place and and they kind of a rotating. Doctor that you see. Every week is a different doctor always in his one doctor three weeks in a row and every time she comes in the room what does call her. Dr Dumdum Tom. She comes in and she was like hi guys. I'm Dr Dumdum Nice to meet you and I want to just yell at this lady and say look at the chart that is your handwriting writing. You wrote down the information last week and it's so at the front desk. I told him we never want to see Dr Dumdum again. I don't understand why doesn't she probably so S. only people on the chart. It has her handwriting. Maybe you don't remember her. I don't think it's a reason to get upset. You're really really Matt. Your doctor should remember you. Look at the chart. Say I'm the one that wrote that down so I obviously met you nice to see you again. How's the pregnancy not nice to meet you? How do you feel I feel like sometimes I overreact like that there might be something else going inside of me that I'm mad about not really Dogar Dumdum? Yes it's not doctored. Dumdum fall fault. There's some other pent up rage that that's probably what a doctor I liked. Dr Reintroduce yourself everytime that's that's amazing raising Let's go over to Eddie a what's my wife has an ammonia in both lungs. Right now. Wife has pneumonia. She's had it for about a week. We had to go to the urgent care and we're in Texas and she's been battling and your last night she's just kind of it just has bad nights bad days or whatever and I've got to take over dad role. Well you know just like single parent role and it's tough man like you know. There are a lot of single parents out there. They have to do this stuff themselves. And it's hard for kids four kids making making dinner and my wife still takes them to school. Pick them up from school. I take him to their extracurricular activities. Make him dinner helping with homework. Put Him to bed and you know like when to or behave in two or misbehaving. So it's hard to shout out to all the single parents out there. They have to do this all the time. Is your oldest son. Here's the Levin. Does he helped manage any of the other smaller kids. He's good with the baby. He kind of instigates the little boy's like the they kind of all three of them together and it's it's it's a nightmare but with a baby. He's awesome carries the baby. He'll feed the baby. The bottle play with the baby. He's great but yeah with the other to the other two kids. They're just all three three just by nightmares. If your foster kids were to not be your foster kids anymore and go back to their birth parents. Yeah would your two sons and be sad. Yeah that's a good question but I think I think they would especially in my my six year old because he's tight with with our ARA foster kid like they're tight they do everything together bones as soon as they get home from school everything together. They don't separate. Amin one picks up the play station the other the ones playing with them. WHO's the leader of those two My my son. Yeah yeah our six year old woman on your wife had pneumonia. She does and she's getting better but I mean she. She just has her days so she's gotta stay in bed for a little bit. Well shut all the single parents time. Yes all right there you go. That's what's what's what's happening in our life. Here's the the bobby bones show. podcast highlight segment of the day on the phone now as PhD. Peter who heard from weeks ago when he asked out Morgan number two on a day and he didn't sound sound weird or creepy or anything and he has a doctor and so he didn't come to town for a long time and all of a sudden he goes come into talents. Go on a date and Morgan number. Two his agreed to go on a date with him. How does that make you feel Peter? I am incredibly excited Morgan. looking forward to meeting you. Listen now providence guys that guy you WanNa marry come on Peter. Where where'd you grow up? I grew up here in Santa Barbara. And and so what lane are you in at the university. What do you teach typically? I teach you Well on the yeah just is be generic about public policy is my specialty K.. Paul and I understand that Keeping private what you do because I did the same thing with with what you sent us. I just just shared a bit of it very smart very smart guy and now you're coming to town this weekend. Yeah my College roommate got a hall pass from his wife and daughter and he said let's go somewhere and I said how about national and did you say that because Nashville is somewhere that you would have you want to anyway or because you knew Morgan number two is here and maybe go on a date with her. Well I do I'm going to visit my very good friend new foreign born kid so I wanNA come out in the back of the mind my mind. I was hoping I was hoping that might remember me. And you know what's great about that. Morgan number two is that he's he's not coming here just for you. If he was flanked the country. Just WanNA confident with you. I'd be like oh boy but he's coming up with something else in. Maybe this is the love connection. Maybe not ably statistically probably not however nothing is ever supposed to work and some of them do would you agree with that statement PhD. Peter I I think that's exactly right by the this could be the greatest meeting story of all time meeting story ever. Yes I love I love okay. Peter is on it now Peter. I don't know if you've heard but you and Morgan will be going to coffee together. With my D- Who's a writer on the show and his girlfriend Alfred. Are you okay with a solid double date. I think double dates are fine. What do you think you'll talk about with Morgan Peter? I'm looking forward to talking talking about first date stuff I want to hear about her life Nashville her favorite restaurant You know for the weekend stuff. Let's tell her a little bit about California. Nya My wine collection of don't bore with that his wine collection wine collections. We have good wine out here in California working in all right and she likes to drink and do you like to drink talks about. How do you feel about this man? I think it's great. I Love Peter taking his shot but just hearing his voice hearing his voice. Sounds a little too nerdy for Org. Org Number. Two Morgan has a spill first of all as a fellow nerd. I'm not going to be offended because I think there's a real strength to knowing what you're GonNa to say saying it in a in a way a very intelligent sounding way but when Morgan often when after bad dudes that are the opposite of him. Phd Not bad you. You never been out of the PhD. I've been out with Dennis. Is that Anna Doctor. I've had both. Oh Whoa Dang Edison gold rains Loki Flex doctor the dentist lawyer Yeah. Well I'm anxious to see how this goes Pete. I'm glad you're coming to town. When do you get to town tomorrow? Okay so and then Sunday's go out looking for two meeting. You say I have to say though you have to be prepared because apparently I've found out that I can't wear makeup after I get done for how long I for at least a couple of days which that's going to be a couple of days. Well Mark Gorgeous without data P. Morgan and friends. I've seen her without making a bunch of because we weren't got together a lot and we'll tell you she's just a beautiful without but I'll make up as she is. Oh thank you so Shapiro bring flowers or something. I'm not telling me anything 'cause then you won't get credit for doing yourself so on Sunday. The Coffee Shop Ready Mike. You're going to get what what's the place. Oh what time. I'll say what time. But they're going to go. The frost middle of everything Morgan number to twenty-six six thirty six thirty six and. That's a good age for her because she likes older guys. If you haven't heard anything for alone all right impeach DP can't wait to hear the update next week okay. Cal- question heightened wait EP. One one seventy. Wow perfect so do you. What do you do to stay so trim Iran college so I keep writing? He's an athlete. Wow You allow ran in college. Well it was an athlete you ran from who or during the mile was my favorite and half that. What was your fastest mile? Well it's actually less than a mile but I could run a little under four. Wow the genetically babies you guys will make Morgan. You're an athlete to you. I'm an athlete but I'm not sure if this ever worked out. I'm not running marathons on all the days I refused to say on. We're on the TURKEYTROT. That's known that I'm not a good runner Sunday. PhD P. and Morgan or to go on a date and we'll hear about it next week. I P good to talk doc. Divide and talk to you soon. Have a great day. There is pro. I check it out showing me into God here. Brought to you by just mercy based on the incredible true story Bryan Stevenson a modern day hero attorney and freedom fighter who story affects all of us and inspired us to do good and be better his deeply moving and inspiring film show the never ending fight for equal justice. And the PA. One person can have to create a world of difference starring Michael Jordan Jamie Fox and bree lawson awesome every generation has hero meet ours just mercy now playing only Athena's bobby show threes. Let's go to our producer Raimondo. Raymond Megan Markle has returned to North America after quitting the royal family. Sources say she staying here for the foreseeable future in in Australia. Firefighter reinforcements have arrived one hundred. US firefighters were welcomed with applause there joining the battle against brush fires. That have killed twenty six in in sports in Boston. A drunk basketball fan was arrested in banned from td garden for life for throwing a can of Heart Seltzer on the courtroom. Boston Celtics game. Look on a phone is Jenna in Des Moines paid. Jenna Good Morning. Thanks for calling us here. What's happening? Hi This is Jonathan Iowa I am starting to bring jobs say I am in a brand new city over the holidays I moved and everything is very new to me. So I'm wondering if you and the gang have any the advice for me for this brand new adventure that I'm going on. I leave for work in a couple of minutes to kick in. So where'd you move from. They moved from Cedar Falls to West. Moines okay so it's not like you're moving from Boston or Los Angeles to join right so it's still in Iowa. I'm still with my with my fellow Iowans but it's still very very new. I changed a lot when I was growing up. I went to four different schools so I had to change schools along be the new kid and then I think I've moved to completely new cities four times I've had like eight solid moves in me So I know what it's like to be the new person. So here's my advice to you and it's very simple. Just it just takes time. That's it you'll figure it out just like you figured it out ninety seven times before whether it's the first day in college and High School School first day when you move to a new city it's kind of all the same that it feels uncomfortable and you'll get to know a couple of people get to know seven people and then before you know you can have your own a little sports system and and just take a deep breath and and let it go and you only grow. If you're stretched so I I think it's a good thing you know the friends there. Yeah Yeah I have I moved with a good friend and I have my best friend from high school here in the morning. So I have community here with me now. You're good when I moved. I lived in Arkansas and I moved from Arkansas. So I'd never even been to Austin like never went there. I got a bunch of trouble breaking into radio station in Arkansas. And so they were like. That's crazy what you did should move to Austin and do nights there. I was doing nighttime. Show there so. I just packed Crop Mood Austin. I didn't know a single person. They're driving in my pontiac. Sunfire just packed to the Gills. Everything I had and I gather and didn't know anybody not in no my ball. I never met my boss at the time. I didn't have a single friend there. I moved in with somebody who I didn't know. How did you meet her roommate? Like connections connections through P Like I know somebody who knows somebody and they needed a roommate so I knew I didn't know anyone and it was really the best thing to happen to me because you have to develop a skill all you have to really kind of hone that I'm new. I need to learn a need to make new friends because if you move somewhere and you already have a little tiny friend encircle. Sometimes that'll keep you from growing your circle because you just stay with them. I think it's exciting for you. I was I was grew the most when I was put in uncomfortable situations. Jenna yeah. I'm ready I'm excited but nervous starting to kick in then like brushing my teeth and I'm like I'm GonNa call my friends over at the bobby bones show. I'm glad we could be there for you. Good luck tell everybody by we say hello. I Love Iowa so much always been so you guys have been so good to me so Appreciate you on the way from coming. uh-huh okay let us how you feel about the naming. I feel good. That's good advice time and then I would. I would also say like joint. She has friends but is joining earning things like for me helped. When I joined a gym I found a church that I liked and got involved in the community and I met people that takes a minute? That takes time. Yeah so thank you for your call. crispy cream is added new mini doughnuts with less than a hundred calories exciting for someone that has a moderation. But I do not I would go. Oh little ones I can have nine right. The donut chain announced the launch of their new mini. Donate their tiny treats. They put them in a box doc. So there's a lot of the twenty of them. Yeah if you can just have one then okay. Can you have one. Can you have one. I'm starting to get to where I can but I think there was a time for sure know where I couldn't because I had a mindset of like oh if I eat fat then I've kind of blown it might as well because I'm not going to eating more tomorrow. Carl and I have for the past few months. I've been working on that type of Outta tooting my brain like I've literally been trying to train my brain and be like it doesn't matter I can have that one and it. It doesn't mean I've blown anything get literally doesn't matter. I should just move on with my day. But I've spent way too much time obsessing over that so I think now I probably could. I talked talked Sugar Sean. Sometimes that's the name I give the guy that went sugar head officer China to do I do. I talked to Sugar Sean. You don't stop go away. I need to stop but I- Sugar Sean. Either lives with me or is in another neighborhood and so I can't have one tiny doughnut. But I do talk Sugar Sean. Unlike not today Sugar Sean Today. Because he's always cre- I love sugar so much and I know fifteen twenty years is going to be like cigarettes where where we go. We can't believe doctors worst suggestion cigarettes processed sugar. Yeah commercials about las this sugar. We're GONNA look back and I wanNA have Sugar Sean. Thank thank you name your voices now. I'm trying to think I don't know that mine would just be like if I had to shut down probably be bad food. Betty like is not just sugar. I just would treat anything like if I had a French fry. I think well might as well eat all the French fries. Because I'm never going to have a French fry again and so so bad to think that way. I don't keep suites in my house. I don't keep anything in my house because I don't moderate well just in general no moderation During the story they say that social networks and things around you play such a significant role in how you how much you weigh people. With obese partners family members close co workers are two to three times more likely to be obese themselves and so I know this specific story. We're talking about food but this goes with anything. If you want to be more positive you have to surround yourself a positive people. If let's say you're just surrounding yourself negative people or it didn't have any positive people with great work ethics four work at what you are what surround yourself with you are completely your environments true. We may not even realize it was true. You're affected in so many ways even subconsciously. Imagine if you have a bunch of friends who are exercised freaks. Well you want to socialize with your friends to hearing about it all the time. I want to take part in a conference. You either going to get a new set of friends or you're going to become an exercise freak yourself And it doesn't even have to be. It can be clothes like think about your friends are Super Trendy you know. He's talking about clothing. You are who you surround yourself with. And that's that's the number one thing I talked about what people when they set goals. It's okay I know that's what you WANNA do. But what are you going to surround yourself with that actually helps you get to that goal. I think on this show and I'll give you an example here in this room. I am not very friendly as far as like. Yeah in the morning. I'm not a morning person and never have been so what I have I have done is. I've put people in on this show that come in and earn pretty good mood in the morning to lift me up Amy Morgan number two and I don't know how grumpy I think you are. But you're not you actually quite friendly Eddie's always in a good mood oddly weirdly. Yeah it's really weird and so I have because because I know my weakness put myself around people that aren't and I don't know it doesn't it'll come in and be like woo but it does lift me. Nine percent said my office is amy and she's like Big Gun. Talk Right now so whatever you want to do in your life wherever you feel your weaknesses and we all have them. I would suggest that you you maybe surround. Isn't the work is hard to do that. But put yourself near people that you want to be like for whatever quality of trade that is I do I have to do all the time. Even creatively like there are times where I need to be around. People that push me creatively so but this is about food. So if you're at this. Is that whole story because they help you. Culture does play a big part on people's lives and where they're going to read books all the time talked about with. She was hard to read books more. Yeah Tiger leather print the all time warner whenever we've been friends literally trends around trends. It's the same thing just much smaller. Bob a micro version of that. So put people around you to help you make better decisions than help. You be a better you. That's my advice. This morning I check it out. Charlene God you brought to you by just mercy based Danica incredible true story you Bryan Stevenson. A modern day hero attorney and freedom fighter who story affects all of us and inspired us to do good and be better his deeply moving and inspiring aspiring film. Show the never ending fight for equal justice and the power one person can have to create a world of difference starring Michael Jordan Jamie Fox and Bree Lawson every generation Asian houses. Hero meet ours just mercy now playing only fetus bobbitt bounce national. Hollywood Morgan number two thirty thirty seconds. ZAC Brown band hitting the road. This summer with their roar with the lions toward the settlers will feature music from the band along with the selection of cover songs. The tour kicks off May Twenty Four. Th a little big town shared the title song off their new album coming out on January seventeenth. Here's nightfall Dan. Ronnie Dunn Album of covers called Redone. out today hears him singing Amarillo by morning news. I'm Morgan number two. That's GonNa it's time for the good news amy. I love a good animal. Wheelchair Chur story and this one is a chicken. Choose born disabled. She had like a slip tendon in her legs. The chicken wasn't able to walk kind of had strut and and they built the chicken a tiny wheelchair named out of like made out of plastic pipes looking at wheeling around the year L. over good turtle or chicken wheelchair to I don't know why but I'm also fascinated people getting creative and being like I'm doing something don't have problem solving yes. They could easily depot whip up a little wheelchairs. Nothing too crazy but that's so cool. Play chicken friends. Yeah there you go. That's what it's it's all about right. There was telling me something. Good show down and this story. 'cause us from Spain there was a woman. I've been doing a live broadcast on the news talking about a lottery story and she goes. Oh my goodness I just won the lottery I quit. I'm not coming to work tomorrow. Live live alive then she goes home and realizes schilling one. Five thousand dollars My God job take her back. I don't know it said. She had to go on twitter twitter and apologize but there was no report if she got her job back. I'll tell you even if I want a million online quitting right then put it in something to save. I'M GONNA take make sure I guess I'd say that's being responsible she goes. I'm out so I hated that job though. Sure that to be a reaction with. It's all that on. The News in lunchbox just brought the seven when we think of another story on the news and one of his like a year end recap highlight from the decade of something that happened but like a woman quit like gave her boss her kidney disease this story she gave her and then she got fired for too much leave from work. That can't be during recovery story where I found the golden ticket status because I saw I think when I saw that story on the news I saw the the same ones. I don't know that crazy says a New York woman fired after donating kidney to help boss and the reason for for her termination was too much time off are covering real though store. ABC We see news so it's a legit thank you go ahead I mean. It says that she was fired. That's which earth stories Stevens a forty seven year old mother to file a formal complained claiming her boss used for Oregon and then fired her. Oh just wasn't there was. She had to take off from more surgery right. She had only so many vacation days or sick as Oh well there you go okay lunchbox. Thanks for episode boneheads story today. It takes more than two months to turn a resolution into a habit so it's January tenth and if you guys made resolutions percents taking with them and so they say it takes sixty six days to turn a resolution which is a new goal into a habit and I was thinking about this and I mentioned that I had a goal for the year. I don't like to do resolutions. Full changes like I'm going to change who I am but I do like to set goals at certain times. Here's my new goal for twenty twenty. I'm going to in twenty twenty play five rounds of Golf. I don't know that I played around often four or five years. It's been a long time because I just consume myself with work. I'm traveling and was it the tournament that we did. We did a charity tournament. Arkansas the thing I just went and did the charity aspect of it. And so I'm GONNA play five rounds of golf this year all right. I think the weather's good today if you WanNa start now again busy today but I'm GonNa you know what's going to happen. It's November and I'm GONNA play five days in a row. I have to get this but I'm just doing it as some kind of balance in life and I know by Samo do five on the plane five so first of all everybody two months to switch out and make your resolution an actual thing for me. It's going to be five rounds of golf. I'M GONNA play this year. I love it. I've said it allowed allowed so much more than that that some people might be like. Okay y'all five rounds but you're like it's deeper than that it's about you like you said finding the balance silence. Yeah I this is my year also balancing a little bit more and I don't think people realize golf is a four hour at least four our commitment so I mean that's a lot I mean you don't have that much time so you're gonNA have to make that a priority. I tried to play last year is just a ex because I just need to find something to whine myself down a bit. I tried to play last year. Once said he could not have time for one. Run Your we talked about it. I didn't make it a priority right. We are our priorities. That's it and if I whatever I WANNA make my priority if it's kids or work or golf or reading or that's up to me to decide and build my top priority. All the way down what I'm GonNa do this year is put a little more time of me to actually be a human being sin to be a robot of nonstop work doc vibrance s an Eddie. You're probably the beneficiary of US Abroad wants to dump her sister as the maid of Honor Lucas. She'll be in a sling. Oh that's a bummer. Though I mean now my sister would stay my maid of honor. Didn't she come down the aisle on crutches your wedding. I know my sister was pregnant. Oh maybe that's what it was. A new didn't no-one come down the aisle and Crutcher your wedding. They if they do I well. No I think maybe you think you're one of my bridesmaids Julianna. She got married on crutches. That's what it is. Yeah that's that was at her wedding because she had was using a car accident right before wedding and broke her foot it and her. It was a mess a bride to be recently shared that she wants to not have her sister's maid of honor because the elbow surgery a week before for I mean I guess that is a big all ruined the pictures. Okay you can finish off. Good photographer can position her to where it won't be a focal point the photos. Here's what she writes. Obviously all my sister would be pain free and finally get her surgery but like Guinea human being the selfish side of me. I don't want to be the maid of honor. My wedding should be wearing a sling and then all the photo she'll aw okay I have a horrid. I'm horrible moment person that has to do with my wedding. My mom had skin cancer that needs to be removed from her face and I didn't understand understand the timely manner of it because I couldn't even see it. I couldn't even see what they were cutting out of her face but apparently it was intense and they had to cut from like her eyeball all down. Her are knows her face and she. I was just worried I too was like. We're GonNa have all these special pictures and she looked like she had been in a car wreck. And and can you wait I I said can you wait. That was so wrong of me and I will admit it. And she told me no and then she just wore like tons of makeup and she looked beautiful full. I'm fine and you can still in some. You can see the scar but it really didn't matter. I can't even believe I ever even said that but I think I was just thinking of. That's my mom and it's her face wasn't in a broken arm but I can't even justify that it was wrong. I'm wrong. I was bad solder when we had our last show. Pictures Morgan Number One. It doesn't work with the show anymore. got a crazy blonde hair style right before and then didn't keep it right after and so all the pictures she had like this platinum blonde hair. That look nothing like I was so annoyed for like nine months You're just like why would you change your hair. Do something different and then also not stay with it because now you're on all these pictures in when you don't look like what you look like. It'll be like me going mustache out of the week. Four pitchers then shaving off the day after so we should take pictures we will. We will An American tourist calls for help while stuck in a luggage compartment. I'll know what nineteen year old American guy originally got stuck in the luggage department of a moving in bus trip. During a trip through Israel he climbed into his bag on the bus was stopped and then as the bus started going this shut at coom locked him in. That's under the they call for help. Police stopped the bus around twenty minutes later. Here's him talking to an operator. I'm on the nine four seven bus. I just left El Al junction and I went. Did you get my case from under the thing and the door closed. And he's driving away on them underneath the bus. I want to get my suitcase under the bus and I'm stuffed under the bus. When do you want stuck under the bus can okay? So I'm very scared. Toya sending police right now and I saved them her not him and that that guy. He's a kid. No it's guy it's a nightmare so guys give a guy break. He's boys that's a guy guys fighting a nineteen year old American guy recently got stuck in a luggage compartment okay. It says authorities located the bustling twenty minutes of the young man because the guy doesn't have ever-devoted masculine and sound like I America is run. We expect to be so masculine ray again. I'm on the nine four seven bus. I just left El Al junction and I went to get my suitcase from under the thing and the door closed. And he's dried looking at a Greenspan now. I hear it thank you sorry I apologize again for Pauper's already I'm horrible person. I remember how the fourteen year old version of your cell phone if you could write to that kid. What would you say? I'm Chelsea arson join me on my podcast. Dear young rocker each week I write a letter to younger self as she brings us back into the intensity the city of adolescence falling in love with their favorite song. The way only teenager can getting up the nerve to join a band struggling with anger and body issues crushing on someone someone so hard. I can't breathe around them. Experiencing how truly awful of I s can be feeling like you. Could I blame ball of anger or sadness or both at any second making a decision that could cost you your friends your band and your entire social life dear rockin. You're not alone you lived through uh-huh living through it now you've got this kid. During rocker comes from double elvis productions is created and hosted by mutual Ersan and executive produced by Jay Brennan of disgraced land and episode one drops Wednesday January fifteenth. Listen to dear young rapper on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. The there's Amy's pile of stories Friday right so since it's twenty twenty. I thought I would throw in this little fun thing the year twenty fifty is the same distance away that the year Nineteen Nineteen Ninety S. I would think that's crazy for someone like Morgan number. Two who wasn't born in one thousand nine hundred twenty seems closer than nineteen ninety right. Yeah a little bit. And she didn't even exact numbers she will exist. Twelve mean. God hoping your existing. I hope so kind of crazy. I guess I think Sell Ninety Eddie. Does it felt like a long. I was nine or ten years old but like we lived through it like the fact that we should be if we stay alive which we should to twenty fifty. It's kind of nuts. I was reading a story. About how thirty and forty years ago. They did article on people guessing. What twenty twenty was gonna be like we should be flying cars and hovercrafts and Yet not so much but the Internet is something they couldn't predict now is watching David. Bowie talk about the Internet back in like nineteen ninety one and he was going. ooh You don't even know what the Internet's going to. It's going to connect people in a way so good and so bad and he was in it it was very Jim. Morrison esque from the sixties. Predicting Computers David boy was talking. What about the Internet is wild? Yeah what she got okay. Is there something that you I don't know created are part of that. You're so proud of like you would bury yourself with it. Well my other dog dusty had for years and years and create very proud of it may be my mirror ball from dancing with the stars. Stars did get that yes. I think. That's probably it for me. Okay so the man who created the pringles can was so proud of his invention invention that he had some of his ashes buried in one when he died. That's pretty cool. I don't think I would put my ashes in a mirror ball. uh-huh pringles can though is pretty revolutionary. I know it's a joke because it's a potato chip container. Nothing Yeah Whoa should just open on the bottom though they opened on the top and bottom so you can pull them out the bottom just in the dumping amounting and all that crap all over your hands. What else okay? So before the invention of color ATV seventy five percent of people say they dreamed and Black and white and today like only twelve percent of people do so one of my favorite questions ask somebody who speak different languages as what language they dream in especially people who come to in they. It's their second language. English is what point does it shift dream different languages and ask my daughter Sta Sheera if she dreams in English or creole. Good question crazy how you should have. And if she wants to record it and bring it to us. Yeah well see Vinnie Pinson by bill Burr reporter. Like who's seeing this and I'm like I asked you to quick interview with her. Maybe if I say I'll put it on tick tock let me shoes dot. She's Donald Tick Tock so get this Neil Armstrong. He didn't say that's one small step for man he said that's one small mall step for a man but somewhere they got taken out and he just wanted to clarify. That's the only way the statement makes sense if you say that's one stall small step for a man one giant hi it leap for mankind. I think it makes sense the other way to one small step for collective man right. I agree but I'm just saying what Neil says and it was. His statements trust static there and seen astronauts he wanted it to be clear or some astronaut wanted to clear up that no real astronaut has ever uttered the words. Houston we have a problem. The only movie. Yeah Paul. Thirteen Thirteen Tom. Hanks and it's not a thing that's ever been said by a real astronaut. I did that one of my drafts. And you you guys argued with me. That's one of the most original Movie Line sure. We argued with you history. I said I would love to have that tape the way how much are involved in anti statement here. Okay amy anything else over there. I just got one quick story about twenty twenty beauty trends in case you wanna GonNa be in the know. Okay well for your hair bobby bows are really big. Headbands were making twenty nineteen and they are still going to be big this ear but definitely throw a bow in the mix bold routes so you can actually grow out your roots like skip if you hear appointments and it's going to be totally fine. Don't feel the pressure to like. Get your roots it's done Glossy lips a gemstone is which means you put like rhinestones all over your eyes. Maybe instead of like eyeliner crystal still nails and space tattoos going to be a lot of stars and moons and things like astronomy type stuff. Put on your body's all that's a relief because I do all that already so I have like the last couple of years. I saw the rhinestone crystal nails apparently Spoil were ski for still nails are up to one hundred twenty eight percent pinterest. Everybody's doing it. I have some of these weird. It's twenty twenty predictions from back in the day. One human fee will become just one big VIKTO. That was one of them. We would have a chauffeur's in nineteen ninety-four rand said hey we'll be able to develop apes to think they'll be able to drive us so now we're just gonNA drive driving nothing right we have the Will live in flying houses. This inventor was these are the crazy ones our house will be cleaned by hoses. Basically we'll take a hose and go into your house. Bullied Candy made him underwear that is. We'll have personal helicopters. We're kind of getting Kinda happens I saw in. LA PEOPLE CAN UBER A helicopter to get to work if they went to so there are a bunch of these at best life online dot com dot by the year. Twenty twenty back in the sixty. We'd have both Telepathy and teleportation not yet uh-huh well that we know of the people that do have a Pri- don't tell me I is that it was amy's of stories it's time for the good news. Havi are so Lisa Sixteen years all these. He's walking with three nieces to the store when they're in the crosswalk and a car runs the stop sign and he's like. Oh No I got to save these girls lives and he shoves all three nieces out of the way and boom he gets hit by the car Dang so what happened to him. I can see okay is in the hospital with skull fractures actions and some broken bones. Glad he is alive and the nieces are alive and they're just saying he's a hero. I mean it's early in the year guys but I'm going to recommend in him uncle the year. Oh our already getting a little premature. I mean we're only a few days in but uncle the year I mean how do you that's GonNa win. There's there's no other uncle is GonNa do anything better. We'll put them in the running at the end of twenty twenty one when we go to the uncle of the year category. We'll see if maybe he's the only story. That's that's a possibility too. That's a good one. That's what it's all about right. There was telling me something good right. Now let's go over to amy with the morning Corny Morning Corny. How does a little build? It's house how does a Little Ping gwyn build a house. It glues together okay. Yeah that was morning glory. We are living in complicated times. I'm seventy rule. MSNBC ANCHOR NBC. News correspondent in my new podcast. Modern rules I'm going to be spending time unpacking some of the hairiest of today's top. I decided I was going to be a survivor. Survivor fights back he will board. They won't news. It's America listen subscribed to my new podcast. Modern rules on on Apple. podcast the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast the Friday morning conversation with Ronnie Dunn Dunn here I knew Oh just took the Mike off you know I feel bad I feel like I'm taking up all your time these days the personal time because you're busy do you ever stop. Do you ever stop Yeah too much and what I'll do. I'll get in trouble anytime I do. Yeah how creative types are they say. If you're not creating then you usually self destructing or getting tattoos wins the last two. You got ten ten years ago so the cowboy thing and people keep sending or you're going to get another one episode kind of addictive. I don't I don't feel like need another one. I mean I made you have won. Oh yeah one tattoo one cowboy tattoo on the other one would get Indian cowboys and Indian and then I have a buddy in Santa Fe that owns a jewelry store up on the square. So when I go out how The first time I this guys I got it starts walking up to me. And he's a big Indian dude. Native American be politically correct. And he's got Indian of here so we always making fun of one another and cowboy Indian pictures. Yeah Ronnie Dunn's here in your here here today because that finally all the music this whole record that you were talking about a couple months ago so it's a bunch of really cool covers and we've been playing on our show a lot of they've been coming out. And so oh all of its own and what I want to play on a little bit of Brown eyed girl right here listen to this with me for a second Ronnie. This is the song we know is van Morrison. But this is you doing brown eyed girl. Here's a little bit of that land. So tell me about this on why you would cut this song specifically what does this mean to you. Here's a guy. We were playing Jacksonville Florida Brooks and Dunn Tour and and It's a there's a great big club across the street. Where a lot of times? If you have like a little bit of time to kill before you need to go to the next show down the highway we will go like just step in have a drink or something. Maybe crashed the stage but We got up on stage and my wife was with us and Ah she came over and he goes. Do Brown outgrow. Never before us. And we'RE GONNA have to stand here and whisper the words to me because I don't have a clue so we get to the course and the whole place erupts and starts singing it. You know Brown allied girl really and yeah just from that moment on just realized that he kind of had an impact popular song. We're GONNA play coming up in a minute. Did you ever get a chance to meet Van Morrison or have you met. I did my first trip to La in eighties. I went to Denny Cordell House. Who is the owner of shelter records? He was working on Tom. Petty's first album and I went upstairs the first day two in the house up to the kitchen. which on the third floor in Malibu and there's this guy said at the end of the table? He's reading variety. Magazine are Piper and I I just me and him and I didn't say anything. I don't know anybody anything so I got a cup of coffee about that. Time Danny walked up stays upstairs and he goes. Does Ron say hello to van and the guy goes real slowly pulls the paper now. It's been more than any any kind of grunted up and you'll era you're reading. Yeah when you do these songs did you reach out into the folks and be like I'm going to cover song or did you. Just throw them out there because you loved him so much knowledge student. 'cause eleven eleven. I'm a big Fan. You know with how long a back in the day but in straight but not not before I do. I'm GONNA play play a little bit here of Tom Petty I won't Back Down Ronnie Dunn doing it on his new record. Who you dragging me in my mom? And here's a little bit of Eric. Clapton wonderful wonderful tonight as done by Ronnie Dunn. This is a Colin check. This out from along I feel like that could have been a brooks and Dunn Song like wonderful tonight. You Nail it seven. That feels like it's your saw. Aw Good who say that because we'll all of these you kind of hesitant to take ownership. It's it's hard because clapping on that song and it was. It's very personal very wrote about Patty and maybe we could have. I mean that's that I to me is a song that I could definitely hear as a Brooklyn not that the other ones aren't sounds like this is cool. I really liked the wonderful tonight. That was one of the biggest challenges. Oranges can I can in my head space trying to get into it and go. There's Eric Song dance lightly young man. You ever met him Eric Clapton. Yeah what was that. Like you know all all his band. durken's Domino's were from Tulsa and I moved from Tulsa here and Jimmy Decker the drummer and I used to drive back and forth from Tulsa Nashville all the time and he didn't know that much about country music so play the radio the hallway ten hour drive and I would quiz him. WHO's running out you know who's that? Oh it's so and so no no. It's not Johnny Cash Merle Haggard and he would consequently tell me stories about Eric Clapton stuff and I get caught up all the gossip so yeah. Yeah D- typing gossip. Let's go let's put it out there good stuff but this was about the eighty s. When Eric was really having fun you know there were they would go in and have to block in the room? The guys in the band after show he says we literally go up to the hotels. Put a piece of furniture against the door and stuff. He said Eric would jumped from balcony balcony if he could do it on the twentieth floor and like show up and blow through the doors. Yours would you guys ever do that back in the day. Just tear up a hotel room or just like when was peak troublemaking for you. It's when it first scarves and you're young young and excited to be out you know and it's like you're you're you're away from home for extended periods of time for for the longest time you just Kinda have too much time on under hands. What was the big vice that you Kinda let yourself to it first? Bunch bunch alcohol was girls. What was early early? No we're just we just do crazy. I mean crazy silly stuff. Bible Study Charity Work. Yeah no I get you on the road the stuff I you know. I can't think of anything that wouldn't you know. Put me in jail for but Keith Richards talks about it like in his book. Okay you read it. I read Clapton's bucket in Richard. Keith USC is is really good. It's really insightful. But he said you know. He said they'd get out there and didn't see your wife from home. He said you're so lonely. There's nothing to do. It says that you know we need like turn to drugs or are different other different vices. She says it's just because we're so so disconnected from Reality County and you're in this protective bubble with with with your world. You know you really have no contact with the outside world other than your own state. Did you ever feel at the height of your popularity or near it especially back in the ninety two two thousand that you felt more alone the more famous. You've got feel more disconnected. Yeah and it. It didn't feel natural. You know you'd be going to meet and greet backstage and stuff and people would prompt people not to to. You know not not to talk to you too long because you had to move through a lot of people below. That stuff is just logistics. You had had to do things but yeah yeah and how did you remedy that. What did you keep somebody around you or your family that were Kinda somewhat normal ish? Yeah you know Terry McBride was out for a long time. Remember Terry from abroad and a ride and we. We wrote a song that was kind of kind of our therapy. We get out and go to the JIM every day. I'm going to give an artist. One Word Association you tell me what the artist the word that comes to mind. Okay George Strait in Georgia Great. That's two words running George Okay. Eric Clapton Guitar Tom. Petty Punk. Yeah why why do you go down that lane. I'm glad you're sitting there I had some buddies when Dany who was doing the first record on on Tom. Petty and Leon Russell was involved with some of that stuff but in Tulsa and I asked him what did I say well. What's he doing now because I was trying to keep up with the shelter record bunch and he's got some new punk guy? He's doing some new punk rocker and it. Was Tom pet ever since the new so Tom Perez punk rocker the eagles Two words aren't either on. No No. We gotTA aggressive country How about Buck Owens telecaster? Oh Yeah That's why you picked Shabunda plan the telecaster. I I give you more Bob Seger. Oh a tough One word one word it's not easy trying smoker okay. Ronnie Dunn is here. He's got a new record out today called redone a bunch of really great songs that he covered You know you put me in a wonderfully precarious position. I enjoyed it. I was a few weeks ago. You text me said. Hey what songs long as you want to say. Good for me. And I thought I had to pick any brooks and Dunn Song that they're gonNA come up and play with us and the whole world and you guys know during my favorite like my lifetime when it comes to favorites and songs like you guys were the soundtrack of growing up and and being rejected by girls. All of those things that happen in your teen years. It's like you guys are a big part of that and so we settled I settled. We settled on boost coon buggy. Do you know this yet. I just got the tax okay. We're just reading the Tax Timmy. So it wouldn't have mattered. which songs I picked? You would've just been able to go right into no problem. Okay so my favorite boot scoop bogey. neon Moon is that the one that maybe gets the biggest response or is that just my heart that gives the big noise dose. There's been a resurgence. Since in that song lately like I I've seen it all over the place like kind of Clarkson's like all of judges from the voice came out and opened her show with the other night and just the pop up all over the place just kind of cool. It's really cool. Casey did it with you. Guys on the reboot record my Maria come on but it was hard for me to pick. I compared it to someone going. Here's twenty supermodels. You get to make out with any couple of them go. And and which one do I pick the perfect. That's turned the tide on you. You pick them it really. Wait on you go come on man. I don't care I'm too busy to do this. Would've WHOA that's a cool part. I don't I never take distinct for granted here. So that's what we're going to do now you have. No problem promised songs that I pay not a bit. Do you know everywhere. Every song Melania has a thing in my ear onstage it well everybody everybody uses some kind of reference like you know monitor or that but Melanie talks in my ear. What do you mean like during we use ear buds? Like you have in your in ear headphones. So as you're singing you talk you talk to him as he's singing but like like we're we're how does she know if you're not gonNA figure out that she say long no issue we have a whole system set up you kind of have to learn it was like you like your cue the first word before the beat and it just comes second nature after doing it for so long. You don't even don't even think about people that are really distracting. It's like no. It's not well no so after the first word though you're good so you just kill on the first one particular thing. Because I'll I'll I wonder off mentally. I'll just kind of go especially on all the songs you roll into boost good. You've been doing for thirty years. You kind of just Kinda. I'm out there doing my laundry list or something. If you had to pick one song to eliminate forever ever which one would it be like hit though. Don't pick like a B side but like you love them all children but if you had to pick one they're like oh this is anyone ever answered. Would that question really. We ask them about also about Brooklyn done songs. Melanie are you gonNA say booting now while I was trying to get around. But it's you know what man boots scoot. We'll do it again but just like you walk out and on the downbeat you hit and the crowd the crowd goes they do become react like they did the first day you did it like I wouldn't breath pick boasts golden if it wasn't for the people because if it were just me like our work a man or or brand new man or some of those songs were like caricatures boost Google Caricature Rodney country like the caricature jam for Yeah Come on okay. Well that's what we're going to do. We're going to do boost Guten Maria neon moon. We're clear on all those every other the right order. No no no I had to do or last night. Because here's what I thought you come out. Did they give you the water and we have to end on Neon by the way for those that. Okay Ronnie and Kicks Brooklyn Daughter playing with us for our Saint Joe at the Ryan and the rates. And they're gonNA come out and play with us which I'm so grateful to you guys had no idea. This is a show for the hospital. And you guys that are playing with this and we're pumped and I was like all right great 'cause we're going to do my Maria because I think the intro that is such a great kick to the whole set like what a Great Britain you the first part of mine real off. Aw that's going to be so great and then in the middle We Have A. She'll kill it. We have a session player. Who plays with? She's awesome a book on base. So we have the most provincial end you probably don't Madora. She's here okay. So she plays a lot of rock guys to okay okay so that and then we do boost can boogie crowds hype and it's like and then you hate that song so we just do this and then we hit it at the end. Yeah we do with NEOM okay. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA show up. Are you. We're rehearsing. She's looking at you like I can't believe you should show up. Ended up there and my here. I'm GONNA do it. You're going going to duck. I have to go with a bunch of Louisiana. Gosh tomorrow and yeah okay. And they're all excited. Come to rehearsal I give you Saturday. It's a Mimi you need some tips. Okay yes when you're in a if you're somewhere gathering where do you go. That's fancy because you have fancy places is you go. You go to island somewhere. I'm about to tell you about an entire family into the Bahamas okay. Now you're on this fancy island and there are people because I know how you fancy folks. Were you like get with other fancy people and you all around and fancy alcoholic. You're not fancy not fancy. I'm busy and do they ever go play this place playing guitar. They give you a guitar and have you seen ever ever sometimes. Okay do you ever say yes. Yes whereas all the other day so we have a little farm outside of town and I had to run to the pharmacy see from Virginia. My wife and It's New Year's Day and Walmart is the only place open and it's packed and the pharmacist goes she goes. You'RE GONNA have to wait thirty minutes. She goes you gotTa Guitar Faucet on the bench anyway. She was just being phony. Ronnie Dunn is here. He's here now I help. He's here because he has a record out. Also because we're friends now. I thought about Texas the other night and see if you WANNA go dinner dinner and I did and I was like you know may hit him up. What was that was that look for you would do that? I wouldn't do that to you. I hung out now enough to where I will be cool. We we go. We've got a record that one I go. Where would we go? I don't know I bet you get out. No I bet you don't. You're hours. I don't know what time do you eat dinner. Something down on the Gulf early usually early five thirty tubes. Now we're talking yeah. I'm not too late late dinner. pershing we should in our photo shoot the picture we did. That made Almost sixty thousand dollars. How about you really good idea? You know we had the pictures. Yeah but in the tell you this we show up to this thing and Ronnie has. He's a photographer. Really good talker and not only did I bring myself take picture. But he like provided all the clothes I walk into and a van a chest cold Galore and I'm like well. which ones do we use it? We'll use whatever you want but you can have all the rest of them so basically took Omaha cowboy out wardrobe. took one cap. Your took the Arkansas to Arkansas Candy. Really that's remind went but it was fun. You shut up like a long pro modelo and and you mean like there is no grief you showed up right on time totally pro. Did your deal and I was telling him backstage a few minutes ago in the Green Room. I've never seen anybody show up in an upcoming not just talking to you seeing anybody show up in like do. They're doing more professional way. It's the shot was like pop. Pop Pop POW. Here's my thing I'm going to show up. We're supposed to be one is supposed to be there because that's my biggest talent. It's being where I need to be wanting to be there discussing coming over here. Watch Seinfeld last night with Comedians were cars and he was talking to someone in Mel Brooks. So what's the biggest thing you learned over the years. He says to be on time in this business beyond time. He said that's a luxury people. Good yes because there are a lot of talented people. Yeah that's unlimited talented people rush into right behind you one twenty or through there. There are a hundred. Fill your place. Ronnie Dunn is here. I'M GONNA one one more little segment here. This is called did done do it. Kim We know you as one half of Brooks and Dunn but as a person I'm GonNa ask you a question and you tell me have done detailed Tehrani done ever make a mix tape for a girlfriend or a wife back in the day. No no recording off the radio mix tapes that Oh no did you do any grand romantic gestures ever back in the day. What grand romantic gestures like here? I am boombox top of my head or shop at the door with a guitar. Awesome done that. I didn't know I had to sneak up on girls. You know. It's just always always short super shy so I just have to so the stage and then suddenly just go. Did they ever watch commencing about them. Seeing you sing. Did you remember the golden ratio. And then she's like. Oh that's it. Oh yeah that'd be that's a secret weapon my almost had this fantasy about. Of course I'm married now can't do it but see awesome hot girl or something and whatever's because let's go out and then go out and walk up on stage or something. Just be you know you know. I've kind of I kind of did that. She doesn't now and then either that or she like turn on US goes. I don't like this kind of I don't like this thing. It was just kind of music. They gave me crap because I took a girl on a date and then we walked over to the opera and I performed. It's they gave me so much. The thought of the deal right girl out you still many things at dinner and I was like. Hey I gotta walk over and do a set over here no big deal and so we walked over the Reimann in Hamilton. I gotTa do like to stay here with my twelve minutes and walk down jokes. I was like all right. Let's go go have a drink. And they gave me so much crap on the man. That's fun if you can do it you can get away with us. Good other fun thing to do. I just Ronnie Dunn Ever Pump Gas. Yes what is the lasting. Ronnie Dunn watched on television. You may just answered the bell last night. Did you go to prom one junior year in high school. And and who would you go with. Do you remember Terry. Was Her first name. Remember last night. It didn't go well. I guess you seal the deal. No I did Ronnie Dunn ever go out after a show in Vegas and because you're doing the Vegas and put a big at a casino after show and it'd be like I'm going. Oh Yeah do you go to the baller tables Had A bunch of friends. These guys Louisiana. I keep talking about in the oil business and They they have more money than than than anyone needs to have. And I stumbled out to the craps table and they were all around at high five and doing stuff and all of a sudden the guy next to me who I know. Oh well massive try of chips and he just starts shoveling thousands and thousands of dollars in front of me. He's goes play just life life for you to play with his money like that fast and those are weird feeling. I walked away. I can't do. I can't take the pressure. Well listen listen I love when you come in. Thanks I do consider your but at this point good all right and what did you consider me a bud. Yeah I don't have anybody yeah I don't either. I feel the same way. You don't have anybody to go get a bulldog now. Yeah mine's broken. I'm trying to fix soccer back. What's wrong everything's wrong is subpoenas really everything is he old? No brand new is nine ten months off and so when I got told Hayes Kinda broken a little bit so you get to kind of build them back aches right slowly but surely are building them expensive these days better. Yeah they get it down you. Dogs Yeah my daughter does. Yeah in the backyard. Three two now lost on last week. I dare then mine. I long enough for getting fixed. The bill they take him back here Ronnie down. He's got the album redone to play us out. let's see which one I like to play. Let us play. We already played brown eyed girl Let's do Amarillo by morning. Yes that's what I was GonNa say that Ronnie to check got the record of so many songs on their Buck Owens As talked about him. Eddy Arnold George Strait. Tom Petty Eric Clapton. Merle haggard all this. And we're GONNA play Amarillo by morning. Earning by Ronnie Dunn. Good to see you again and we'll see you on Monday. What if I take? Can I think how let me ask you this city. They play but I take over all the lead vocal. Oh Yeah especially on my Maria. All right that's fine oppressor off. Everybody would be a- you got it already I. I don't think smelly healthy with words. Don't even look at it right. There is money i. It's time for the good news. Ah After hearing screams coming from a river a police officer named Christopher Pritchard China flashlight into the Oswego river over and yell to the other officers there someone in the water. All I did was hear screams so there in the middle of the night and by the way it's cold was a young woman fighting to stay alive officers through a floating ring to the woman yelled for her to grab it but she didn't respond so the officer at night in the cold. So so I gotta go in kick off his belt which is by belt may sink him take off his boots his bulletproof vest and then he climbed over the railing alien jumped in the dark the cold and grabbed the woman that crazy. Her whole body was gonna go under when He jumped in. She said so so he grabbed her. She was twenty years old and Fulda back to the surface raised her hands above her head. And that was it. There was no doc but the authors flipped a great down to the river and then climbed on pulled around. The river was forty two degrees. Oh my goodness crazy and he never really saw her until he got close down there. So let me shout out to and I want to say his name right here officer Daniel Bologne so let us out to you. That's what it's all about right there. That's tell me something good that was telling me something good. There's a new. TV series called Murder House flip. Oh comes in April somebody. Somebody got murdered and they flip the house. It's a home makeover show. Golly that takes on homes where murders happen it will be available on the news streaming platform qube which will launch an April will be around five bucks a month but it's homes where people have been murdered now first of all. Would you watch the show. Yes or no yeah okay maybe now. Would you buy a house that someone had been murdered in visit depend on the deal. Depends on the deal and if it's like the perfect house it's everything I've ever been looking for because I mean I'm not scared that it does. It also depend. How many murders happened was murdered? Like what are the factors is the murder. Because I don't need some crazy. Here's a thought. It was like somebody Chauncey. Come in reenact it to me I never thought about reenacted or if it gets popular again like I started watching The truth something something the truth on Apple. TV and that's basically what it's about. A murder happened in house. A guy got murdered and the case came back twenty years later because of a podcast the crime podcast brought it back up and then the house that the guy got murdered in New People live there but people are like picketing out front and like showing up. Because the resurgence of it. Let me find the name if there was a house so you really liked not perfect but really liked and it was twenty eight percent. Cheaper ran a random a random murder and it would you do it rando random murder somebody die like A. We're not connected to it. Yeah I think I could do it. My friend bought one murder-suicide he didn't tell his wife because he thought she might freak out afterward your the house new and didn't tell you he didn't want to be wasn't trying to lie withheld information because a murder suicide got. It was a nice house and a good. Oh this show applesauce. It's called truth be told and I started started and it's pretty good. I don't feel like there's such things as haunting and right I don't feel like I don't think he didn't care about vibe like this is me. I don't care about vibes. I create my own vibes right. Nobody affects my vibes. I create my own vibes. Fin- room scared at night. Do you know how many times of crazy things have happened everywhere. We are all the time over the history of maybe Probably wonderful and bad vibes every single place you are. The history of our therapy probably been a murder my house nineteen thirty like I went to the JFK spot where he got assassinated and just stand in. There was eerie. Because you because you made it eerie it felt Erie because you've felted altered eerie. Had you not known that was happening there. You wouldn't have felt that way but here in this case you know that a murder happened in your living room. I have no problem no problem with it. I don't believe in hotel I don't believe in any of that and I think that people that do see ghosts are like half asleep. Or they're on something or they want. They want like to see something and they've been told longtime your grandmother said that I was like I don't even know it could have been in these kind of believe it it I don't believe in ghosts. I don't I don't believe in ghosts. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm saying I don't believe in there is a difference. I would never tell someone that something doesn't exist. I can't prove I can't believe it either way. I don't believe I would never tell someone they don't exist. I I don't know they don't exist but I don't believe they do so. Yeah would never tell someone that something I can or can't prove is absolutely one way or the other but it's not for me they're GONNA be affected by drought. The worst is when people like it does. There's no such thing how do you know someone's like I'm for sure but you can't prove it all right. I'm speaking of which the ghostbusters show on the movies of how they made it on. Netflix series called the movies that made us ICED The ghostbusters versions. Really good to my son just told me they're working on a new one and you go. Oh well they already had all girl. There's a new or newer when they're working on. Oh over Christmas break. We showed our kids goonies. They never seen him for kids. They lose weight. Yeah we showed it to them and they I was hesitant. I don't know how they would feel about it but they loved it like thought it was so good. So maybe that's a throwback for some parents you could have like a good my husband and I. It was like nostalgic for us but my daughter popped up ride. I hope they do a remake of that like a more modern version is good. They haven't made goonies and they do. The new ghostbusters busters called ghostbusters. Afterlife let's Paul Rudd's in it. Well that's cool so if he's of course. Yeah you know. Dan ackroyd was the original. His parents were like ghost hunters. That's how I knew so much about it. Did you learn that from your down. I don't think America has ever gone back to the way that it was before nine. Eleven the anthrax attack. The fear was really that there would be a second wave of attacks and then along comes the DC DC sniper and all of the country's worst fears are realized. The gunman most likely a skilled marksman fired six times. In the course of sixteen hours the kill the five people in one day and then went on the rampage aged for the next month. The police say they have never had a crime quite like this. It is quite a mystery. It was scary to go to the grocery store or fill up your car with gas to buy do believe he was brainwashed for lack of a better term. As far as I'm concerned he was a PSYCHOPATHIC Pathak. Cold blooded killer that can never walk the street again. Listen to monster. DC sniper on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your pockets here we go top songs in music this week. We'll do country country chart I at number three thousand hours from Dan Shea and Justin Bieber and number two new lady antebellum. What if I never get over you and the number one song country music because that's only like riding roads from Dustin shut down? I like it I like it fine but you love it I love it I just want to go ride some road with it. The biggest top forty song right now is post Malone circles. He's the alternative song and I love this whole record. Is Coal Play Orphans. She say the biggest songs and music all right. Let's talk about the weekend. Amy Amy. What's going with you? Oh man just going to enjoy the weekend with the kids My Dad I feel like it's going to be like a chill weekend for us. I don't know really. We might go roller skating. NCAA Stevenson's and begging to do that and my kids start school on Monday. So prepping them for the real life because they've been out about three week break. What about you have a friend who wrote a party because does she just got? She adopted a baby. And we're having a big party for that today and then I have. I'm doing a podcast with Nashville Lifestyles magazine. Today I'm not sure goes up. I'll let everybody know my social but they wanNA talk about but I will do that. Show from Dannon. Shays coming to my house for Bobby. Cast not sure that'd go up today or Monday but it over the next a couple of days. So subscribe to the Bobby Gassed Have Rehearsal for the raging idiots. Show we have that tomorrow at nine are banned and in a lot of the artists combined practice to the big show where it's going to be a special as well we're GONNA air nationally. It won't be when we were that's going to happen. Pretty Pack we give. My friend of mine is coming to stay with me this weekend. I'll fine fine. He gets into night. yeah well our big big boss California's coming to town at dinner with him Friday. Uh good weekend full of stuff also I like to do you like being busy but hopefully also relaxes me. I like being busy at things I like to to be busy at. But what's your twenty twenty. I'm telling you twenty year where I don't hustle is hard. I just work a lot smarter at the bigger things I WANNA do. I'll always be a hustle. So you can take that out of me can take the hassle out of the guy but at this point this is my year. It's all pop in this year. All all of your manifesting you know I don't manifest saying I don't really do enjoy in but you do things like you put it as your screensaver because you know if you see it every day in your intentional about it so what I mean is are you putting it out there constantly so you know it or feel it or you just know it. I know I was working on twenty twenty back in two thousand eighteen. Oh Okay so you know it's tie it's tie everything's time for everything but the birth is happening. All that's exciting. Many births are happening. This this year can't wait. These projects have been pregnant inside of me for two years ago working here. They come screaming out. And you know what we're not using that medicine a number of a giant either really. Yeah this is going to come out and coming out right. EPIDURALS d'oro natural. Yeah except that I was thinking Jinan Right. Kerala wonder how we'll orwell do a C. section. We'll call a B section. Oh my gosh what you thought about this has going out okay. Okay thank you very much. Have a great weekend. We'll catch you back your Monday Byron. We are living in complicated located times. I'm seventy rule. MSNBC ANCHOR AND NBC News correspondent in my new podcast modern rules. I'm going to be spending time unpacking some of the hairiest. The today's top decided I was going to be survivor. Survivor fights back equal board. They want new. 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Time for some chaos

Other Big Brother

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Time for some chaos

"<music> welcome to the other big brother podcast only podcast that tells you all about big brother rather twenty one the way you WanNa hear me right because that's what no well listen. I'm not gonNA BRAG or anything. I know. This is the second time I brought this up but we are up to eleven cents. That's right eleven pennies on on the podcast so it's pretty exciting stuff on being attacked by little dog high popcorn so we start off back in can't come back where everybody's up. There and Jack immediately goes over to lovie and gives him a hug and says I won the h h he's like Bro. I know I heard and then we have Tommy with lovie and Tommy's like I love you and always Kinda like guys. You all voted me out unanimously. You don't really got me. We're not really all that tight. Let's go. Let's play the game bright. He says he's ready to go on the war bat which lovie on the warpath. I can't really imagine it <hes> they flash over to cat and she's just like I'm back and then realize she never actually left. I have some thoughts about cap that I'll get into in a few minutes here but she never left can't you were always in the house. You actually you know you never went home. So you're good you're still here. You didn't go <hes> we see Mickey who is super upset. David is back because he's like. I'm the one who put him up. I'm the one who made him. Go home. So you know what am I going to do and cats like we've got to get on his good side like we gotta get in on on David's good side and then Mickey goes talked to him and she's like play nice or something like that. which is we're like? Why would you have to tell an adult to do? Hey play nice voice. Come on so mickey grabs David they go into the laundry room and Nikki takes is a very strange tack that people are taking this summer and I'm talking mostly about <hes> Mickey and Jack and it's this kind of <hes>. I'M GONNA blame you for the thing that I did so the youth thing that you did it. When you didn't really do it I did but I don't want you to blame me for it so I want you to think that you have something to do? Is that gas lighting. I'm not sure but when Mickey dead is he grabs David and he's like listen man. I don't blame you. If you have some sort of feelings of anger towards me for what happened you know man but I set you up to win. I expected could you to come back in the house when that first person came back in. I said that you were going to be the one and then it wasn't you being attacked by which is awesome. I <hes> David's Kinda like you're listening to this going to buy this guy's selling like I don't have to hear like no. No this is unacceptable and we flash out MICKEY'S KINDA like. I don't think that he'd bought so at least Mickey's self aware enough to know. Bat His line didn't go over well with David so then Mickey goes over to do damage control over these same basic things like Bro. I did everything I could to protect you. You know I did everything I could but we didn't have the votes yes and so you know it's kind of on you type of thing. It's like what no it wasn't on him though wasn't find that interesting bit of information from Lovie that the nightmare power is <hes>. It's dormant so he makes it back into the game then it's back into play which I was kind of wondering out before because it didn't really tell us what would happen with the nightmare power so it's good through six weeks so if the first four people are out then I assume that we have he'll be able to use it for two more <hes> ceremonies if it comes to that but we'll see I don't know so then <hes> Micky and Jack it together to really really bro it out and they even do a bro Hug at the end which was adorable and there was little soundbite for it and they're kind of you know talking about what the plans are and <hes>. What did they say? They said something crazy think think Mickey was like listen man. I went up to him lovie and I wasn't threatening. which do you want credit for that? You weren't threatening like good for you. I guess he's like I was really passive aggressive and get this lovie still wants to work with us with his power in Jack's like man great job and then Mickey hops off the couch into Jack's arms and they hug it was very bizarre. <hes> you know and it's also using because I think a few episodes ago I was talking about how Jack like. I don't like these people that are playing the game too hard right now. You know it's just like you. You're playing all sides. You're in an eight person alliance. You're manipulating everyone you can. You're actually playing big brother so when other people are doing it relax. They're doing exactly what you're doing but they're not you. They're not in your alliance and they're not the chosen ones so whatever get over yourself we then cat comes in on. David is in that little boat room. WHO'S GONNA keep calling it the boat room because it looks like a boat and cat says you stole my favorite blanket like she walks in the room and immediately? That's that's removed you still my favorite blanket and he's white and then she's talking and like I don't want to speak ill but cat is dim. Ken is a dim bulb remember earlier on when when I was saying like <hes> like when she was just like I'm back and then realized that she was never back so she's a little bit ditsy. Which is fine? You can beat ditsy. There's been d'Ici players in the game that did well so you know but the blink of things very confusing and then she's like he just got a lay low for the next four weeks. He's like it's not for weeks. It's two weeks like what are you. She's like two weeks four weeks. Whatever like whatever her and she goes on to say she's like listen? I just want you to know there's no alliance as in the game right now in David's like cool but there definitely are. She's like no no no no what I'm saying is. There's not like a big group of people working against the other side of the. House type of thing and he's like Yeah Yeah Yeah what there is like obviously based on the voting. It was unanimous. Vote people are working together. She was disliked mm-hmm so then we get Nicole Novi and they kind of give a hug and a Kohl's like you can do it. She's like on over his team and then lovie is like this doesn't make any sense the way this all played out and she's kind of trying to like feed them information but not just giving it to openly. She's like maybe not everybody has your back. Maybe not everybody's being up front with you and then he's like do you think it's is Jack and she kind of scrunches her nose a little bit and and she started spilling the beans that no Jack did not have your back and maybe he said he had your back at one point but he certainly didn't have it at the vote and so then lovie starts feeling betrayed because well he was and he starting to Kinda see. I don't know how much he sees but he does see things aren't going quite the way the people are telling them that they're going and so he's like I'm not sure who to trust lovie. Trust no trust Nicole. Why not all right then we have our wack tippety competition? You know what before we do that I think I'm gonNA pause for a little break here for our sponsor because if I'm GonNa make all these eleven t sense than I need to give it over to them. We'll be right back. Hey this is show the host of the other brother podcast and I'm here to talk about anchor. 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Let's just roll the dice and keep going guys. It's time for chaos whack tippety style competition. This is holly. Tommy let me check Salmon Mickey and they're all in their little rooms a go out. There's three containers that are like aquariums and in one side there's a snake you yes and then they have to then go around the back yard and find a snake that matches the snake. Snake inside of the Aquarium we'll oh yuck but they all do it and they do a pretty good job but the thing is axed felt worse for the snakes and I did for the people because they were getting manhandled like the snakes were not into it at it was like who's in charge of the snake union like. Is there not an A._S._P._C._a. for snakes because here's the thing I remember from another of season that they had snakes and like maybe people are stepping on. I don't know but here's the thing like they're living creatures. They're they're not game pieces relaxed with the snakes and look like maybe <hes> Jack Got Bit a couple of times where he didn't even react man of steel. I don't know <hes> so then. Jack did very well and he was like let's let's get it. Let's go and then he said Gotcha Gotcha and they did some finger guns and then he was quiet then it's more you did a lot more finger guns. <hes> Tommy did his whole thing he was like funny voice was like you know I thought we I had a good rapport with the snakes and I thought we were friends and that everything was great okay but then I think producers think that he's fun to watch I tire easily of all <hes> Sam. Dan was in he was at least knowing that he's been all season so I'll give him that he really thought he he did not win Jack of course and when they're leaving the voice over person goes see you later lose service <music> like that till this like snakes do Jackson goes inside and he lies to the faces of Mickey and Holly about not winning is like I didn't win. I don't know who one must have been Sam Sam guess what he didn't didn't you. Didn't you want you're digging yourself a whole because this is your alliance your main alliance and you're lying to them about this cool sin Jackson goes into the confessional and he's doing all these poses with a little card and he <hes> the way it works the chaos one is in a veto pick when they pick the chips if who's going to go up to the veto if they don't like the pic then they can stand up in front of everyone and force a redraw which seems bad because any kind not exposing yourself you had this thing can only use it once and <hes> I think it's can be used until they're six. People left in the game. So that's the chaos the we have the <hes> what was the nightmare which is now the chaos which is Jack's then we get a little T._v.. Thing and there's swaggie p Bailey and bread and I didn't see the other person was but they're pushing for that new show love island which and then there's this little sad thing. Nicole says I guess I would go to Fiji with we go alone. That's kind of sad and then <hes> what's her name Mickey. He's sitting there and holly is Kinda rubbing her head and she's like do you know with this. Is I'm rubbing. You're you're moving your head in. He say she's like what he's like. I'm trying to find your brain. There's no brain what that's not nice so Mickey and and as it turns out wants to spend more time with Ali he likes to hang out with holly because he doesn't like dealing with cats craziness so he kind of asks holly if she wants to be in a show mance with them and then we're foments. Romance I don't remember what it was. He's a cad is a burden. You know I would pick holly over cat and holly's like Duh of course you would and then she's like. Maybe you shouldn't be sleeping other people's beds. If you WANNA be in a show with me. He's like go to bed in my bed. I wake up in my bed. which from what I've read there might be some fibs there some serious FIBS and holly knows what's up high knows the deal and then <hes> cat comes out and she like gets? It's into the Hamic with them which is awkward. It's very strange like third meal type of thing happening and she's like Oh my interrupting something I shouldn't be here but I'm here but okay it's awkward and when Mickey's doing that thing like well so then we go to Mickey and Jack having their Bro Talk where Mickey's I don't need this twenty nine year old hounded me around you know the juice is it's just not worth the squeeze which is nothing I've ever heard before but is just terrible like come on so them Mickey goes to cat and he's like listen I think for the sake of both of our names CBS with each other we we got to kind of break up a little bit and then he goes on to say that she's basically a liability for his game and she's like what do you mean what are people are talking. What are they talking about? I haven't heard anything what do you mean and she's just I'm kind of clueless and he's just he's she's clueless. He's ruthless and he even throws out the listen for the first time in my life I feel like I have to focus on myself and my game which is just dumb like you're playing being big brother clearly and he's like but listen. I'll still have your back behind closed doors. It's it's just it's. It's like a camp relationship where he's like <hes>. You know. You're still girlfriend but I I don't WanNa really put it out there. I don't want everybody else to know about it so behind closed doors. We're still tight and she's like cool. No I don't need you and if we get out of here like don't call me because I won't answer Nid assist. It's it's very <hes> how assumed fourteen year olds break-up but I don't know then she just leaves the room and he just goes well. That's that not even like that was hard. That was rough. Nothing just that's that done done so get out. You're gone so that's that right which clears the way for Holly and here's the thing early on in the relationship I was looking at cat and analysts is being the problem but actually <music>. It's Captain Holly Dunn Dunn Go two bedroom where Nicole Jessica and Bella are hanging out and they're starting to form a girl alliance and then they call it. The black widows and then Kenny comes in a little bit late. And she's all Lynn but she only trusts belly in the game <hes> and all these four they sleep in the same room so that's how this relationship kind of formed I guess but then Bella immediately and they they call us her final allowance. Ella Alliance immediately goes upstairs and she's like all girl alliances never work. Maybe it's because of people like you who give up the all girl alliances and she goes to Jack in the grateful of room that h h room totally spills the beans the whole thing Jessica's doing this here the people who were involved no Kinney's there <hes> the coal by and so then Jackson decides there. He's like I'm GONNA put up Kimmy and Jessica because they're plotting against me and if they would win h h they're gonNA put me up so I gotta put them up so then Jessica goes up in the H._O._A.. Drone had a different point just to Kinda chat with Jackson about game and you know hey. We don't talk much. I want to avoid getting put up and and he pulls her aside. This is another one he's weird manipulative things which I've never seen people talk to each other like this. He's like listen. Let me start off by saying how wonderful you are. How beautiful you are a great person? You are which if somebody's doing that to me. I'm just uncured buttering me up for the kill. What are you doing and then he's like listen? I've also heard that you've got an all girls alliance and that you would put me up if you had H.. O. H.. So you know things are not looking good for all just say and then and she's like who in the world would have given him this information. Where did this come from right? Well we know Bella more like is a I think it was easy or as is is it is our name goes. She's the is a when she's good and Bella when she's bad whatever go to nominations where David and lovie up the camp comeback watching on T._v.'s they can see this whole thing I one kimmy second one Jessica Mickey puts his arm around Jessica to comfort her. I guess and Jackson Psych I respect your game. I respect you as people but I've heard from multiple sources that you would put me up if you had the chance and that you've also so formed an all girl alliance suggests limit. She's furious that she's like you. Just Watch. I'm GonNa stir the pot which is usually not a great idea early on in the game when you don't have any power and you're on the block but you do you I guess and then he's like I can't wait. I thrive under pressure. We'll talk again. Let's just try to keep level heads and we'll see what happens in the veto competition and see if we can get out of this whole thing day last one of the last solo scenes when they're kind of fading away is Bella and Nick or kind of maybe in bed. Maybe smooching unlike there's a lot of smooching going on this season. Oh of smoking anyway next episode who knows what we're going to see. I think it's going to be the <hes> the veto competition so that'll be exciting to see if that will change things at all <hes>. I don't know we have a great time. 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#159 - Brooks & Dunn

Bobbycast

26:52 min | 1 year ago

#159 - Brooks & Dunn

"My name is Danny Shapiro. The host family secrets three years ago. I took a DNA test and this test meant to be a fun exploration of my family history turned up a massive family secret. I wasn't who I thought I was join me, and my guests in the journey of family secrets listen to family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or ever you get your podcasts. And if you want to read about my family secret, my new memoir. Inheritance is available. Wherever books are sold. Welcome to episode one fifty nine of the body casts Brooks and Dunn saw buyers show, and we talked to them actually a lot more than was on the radio show because we recorded much of the countdown we've recorded during the commercials, and so it's actually like over a twenty minute interview. So I wanted you guys to hear the full Brooks and Dunn. I love these guys and I gave a little bit. But it was so cool to learn a lot of this stuff. So. Yeah Brooks and Dunn episode one fifty nine check out our other podcasts four things with Amy Brown. Her husband should be on this week's episode of this week or go back and check out the episode there if you're into sports the sore losers with much box Eddie end Ray talking about sports every day and the velvets edge with Kelly Henderson. It's a lifestyle podcast or women talking about fashion and beauty. So check all those out of you can subscribe. Hear this right now going, right? A good note over on the on the patriot and write notes people. Don't right. Good note. That's not very nice here. It is the full conversation with Brooks and Dunn in its entirety. Unedited? Enjoy episode one fifty nine Friday morning conversation with bricks and done. They're not even an area. That's kind of cool to hear the Brooks. And Dunn about being a studio. I know. Hung out with. Fix. I told you that embarrassing story. What did you say? Stop there. Surprise party is not. Come on. We definitely will. But come on. You gotta have a c- come on friends. You work every day with as many people around his nervous. We need a big staff. We're not very good. I'm not very good alone. So I got to have maybe better. Is it cool for me less at I know that we've met I know that when we see each other last at the Kennedy Center. Our nation's capital it in so, but this has never been on my show. And that sounds pretty cool for me from beyond recall for off Brooklyn Donner here kicks you, and I met I don't know if you remember. But the first and second Tom played the opera you were playing and I wanted to your room. And you're very nice to me that was you. That was me. I think the first time we met actually was was at when the in Norman, Oklahoma. Oh, that's right for the tornado. Yeah. We both did a benefit together out there. And that's right. I had to get over there. Quick and your manager with nice enough to go. Hey, get on the plane, and then you and I flew back together. Yeah. But I want to say that because I don't know if you want to know, how rich you are shut up my plans. Plans this plane was that anyway, we know I just got on. And nobody said anything that metoo. Luckily, it was going back to national report of that. Paola trial. Jet ride, and Ronnie Dunn come on Ronnie, okay? Come on. Are you kidding me? I shut up. Have you seen you? I must say nothing door. We've all been dislike I used to get on the radio and beg you guys to come in. And you got. This. Okay. She kicks call your radio station would be like aching kicks come over. And they'll be like. No. And I was like I don't care what somebody told me anything what's up with this project because I know about it. It's out there. Couple songs out today. How do you feel when someone does like a celebrate Tori project toward you Ronnie like they made these songs the two that are out today. Luke combs brand new man caned Brown does believe like how does that feel when someone celebrates you and make your music? Well, it just kind of old, you know. And that's Monte Rosa said I get over that. And go dang how cool it's it's super coup and started to in the studio with these guys, you know, and and get to do it in real time. No in today's digital age. Everybody's like cars are going on cross town. This dramas are over here. Singers are over here ones over here. Well, got in the same room. And did it I'm gonna hear this. There's some headphones if you want, but I'm gonna play a little bit of brand new man from Luke combs, you can check this out right here. You guys are in the room whenever that's happening. Like, you guys are making that with him and put us THEO pretty whole school in the room with next to one another face to face that is old school, and you know, look actually had posted ham and a couple of his band guys acoustically plan brand new man, and and it got sent around to us. And you know, we just said that's cool. You know as crate, and it's kinda how this guy going. It really wasn't our idea. Couple of different Casey must graves doing neon moon in her show, and whatever and our manager said, and this these seemed to dig y'all's music in there may be a project here and know several like, and I guess he came back about a month later and said, hey, I got a big list, and then everybody seems to be in. So we'll shoot a single again. Here's Kane Brown doing believe. There was anybody. Desert ticket to the other side. Dance lead on. Me any. Come on. Isn't it crazy because that's a legendary song? I got a massive fan of you guys. And I'm okay sitting in front of you telling you that I'll geek out a little bit. I think I have every time I've you geeked out and that always happen. But like that's didn't even go number one back in the day. And when I hear that that's quintessential Brooks and Dunn, right? That's didn't even go number one. And everybody knows everywhere to it. That's crazy to me. Let me somebody career songs that come along for you as an act they don't necessarily hit number one. And that was a song was long. You know, I remember Keith Olbermann doing with us in a country fest concert and turned around the mill the show, and he gets or the rehearsal getting goes, this is no this is no like two minute boy pants. So yeah, it's just so many was a great surprise stepped up. I mean in his records are one thing. But we plug somebody into a song like that. And that's that's Ronnie, STAN I can't take any credit for it. But I think we both just kind of lifted each other when he started singing. Wow. This is going to be good. No what he's like really started singing and just light Ribeira down, right, man. It's like all the stuff you need your voices. Their love it. Then the whole new album by two songs out today. But the whole album comes April, fifth and reboot. And so who else is on it Casey's on it? Canaan Luke obvious. There aren't Luke combs who else Thomas Rhett, Brett young Landco linka. I have the list. Yeah. Yeah. I know everything I'm starting to like help us. Others. Ashley McBride John party. Br young Landco Midland Cody Johnson and Tyler booth a hell. Yeah. All those guys you can comment about all of them banned. Enough time. Let me ask you a couple of questions. I always want to know, my heart is, okay. Yeah. Can we do it can add some Bobby hard questions? Go. All right. Because when I've spent time I don't wanna geek out. But now, you're my world, I could do whatever I want as I walked onto bobby's house. Okay. So you guys got together like thirty one years ago. I looked it up like exactly thirty one years ago. So you get put together like suggested that you guys should meet each other. Right. So who makes that suggestion? What's the first impression? You guys have each other. When you meet. Tuck it k b well Tim DuBois called us both up. He he was he was starting the label Aerostar at the time Nashville with club Davis. He'd already signed Alan Jackson. So he didn't want another boy singer. He was trying to get one everything. Yeah. And he'd signed down in Rio he'd signed Pam Tillis was his girl photo formula yet and the judge were breaking up. So he was determined to get a do they needed a new do? Exactly. And so, you know, he just said we literally met at launch over a bad enchilada, and he pretty more less offered as a record deal. If you know if it worked out if we could work together, it didn't really say that he's saying way and write some songs. Isn't that same week we rode a brand new man in next broken heart? That was Tuesday. We wrote those songs on Thursday and Friday de modem to come back, and he jumped up and down, and then he offered us a record deal. But when you okay, you're right brand new, man. Do you go? Oh, we this is something like, we didn't even know each other, you know, three days ago, but we don't brand new man. This is something we didn't know never know never know when you ride him in until they you know, they're become hits. I guess I thought it was pretty good. Yeah. I really did. 'cause you know, and Ronnie had that idea, I'm a changed, man. And and my near miss on. What if we changed that? But he already had the I saw the light. And I was baptized by the you know, in Ronnie came from Oklahoma. He hadn't been hanging out in Nashville for ten years like me. So you had a lot of fresh ideas that I think we get bogged down and formula riding sometimes when you're doing that for a live. And so it was for me as a writer. It was a really a breath of fresh air, honestly to to have some new ideas that you weren't just sitting in a room and everybody passed around twenty times already, and it was kinda it was fun. We wrote a lot of stuff early that. I thought it had some good energy to it. Whenever boost Gutenberg you happens and the dance blows up and everybody. That's you know, what I actually learned to step to boots can boogie like a big part of my life was being in Arkansas and this girl named Kari Carter had the biggest crush on was headed to step in and electric slide, by the way, both of them. I learned to boost Gutenberg the theme song. And so when the boost Gutenberg, you starts to be a thing did you guys come up with their dads. Did you know it's gonna be a thing. Like, how does that whole thing happened? I wrote an Oklahoma. We played a big club there. Call Tulsa city limits, and we we had to do cover songs, and you play club bars and stuff or they don't they want regional stuff. And the people kept coming up in asking us you'll play it again. So we'll maybe there's something there. So we'd sneak into the set late at night, but they were doing those dances. And you're the dance doll line, dancing, and all that stuff is already up and going strong and Oklahoma, Texas, but down there if you if you play song or or play in any of the clubs, go dance. Then you're you know, you're out. So we had had to write songs that kept people moving to right Tarn soul beer now. So. So I've never been close to Alon dance acting to step a little I would kill myself. I'm the clumsy person in the world. I'd kill myself trying to LAN dance we used just don't in front of the stage and go. And dangerous. Boogie was such a big part of the song though. Like, I mean for two guys that don't dance like that was such a massive part of this song was that was the music video may not even watching t that's crazy. That's awesome. Awesome. You offer like fifteen minutes. This is the best thing. Out to harder now going. Oh my goodness. Okay. So how about these Las Vegas shows? You guys are doing like you come back together. Right. I mean, I bet that Pasto much does Vegas shows. Holy crap. Little change all this money to I mean, right. Like, you get to play all the hits and do stay in Vegas for like three or four days. They put you up. How does that work? The give us all sweet. And have you seen the under yet? I wish that they're that big. Skates. Come on. So if you want something that anytime, you get that. But on the night. Good you. Yeah. We're two weeks at a time four times a year. So you're out there. You do three shows a week, and, you know, get some golf in and it's just fun to stumbled down from your hotel room onto a stage where all your tar ten and it sounds the same as it did last night and just as sing and play. It's about as great situation as as you could ever hope for and it's fun to sing those songs again. I think it was good for us to get away from it for a few years and REBA, you know, kind of we got a great referee out there. So, you know, it's it's we've been having a good time. Honestly, we we both. We mentioned earlier what the Kennedy Center honors, and you guys have a longer relationship the review than I do. I'm again hugely fan. And she's been great to me. How did you guys become friends with REBA? Gosh, she hired us in two or ninety three. I guess she was the first tour the that. We actually got hooked up with and hardest. I think back then they were like four or five major her straight Alabama who else I think. Yeah. And then REBA so either she had a spot and gave us the opening spot was ten feet of stage in ten minutes a hundred dollars or not we took her bucks. But if you years later, we both kind of kind of got a good a good wave going and and hooked up. I think in ninety six and maybe ninety seven we we did some co headlining together we had twenty one trucks nineteen buses out on that tour. So for for that, really. Yeah. Good. Wow. What song is what gets the biggest reaction when you play what song 'cause you have so many hits that people react differently. Have where you go. What what's the one where you get people go? Boom firstly. They got it. I'd probably say mammary morale come on. That's a dance. Yeah. Maria. Gotta be kidding me. For me sleep is so important when I do this show. I'm sure whatever you're doing today sleep is so important, but you feel like maybe you can't get quality sleep because you're so busy. We're all busy. We need to have the perfect conditions to get that. Good rest, and let me suggest to you a sleep number bed. My sleep number is third. I love mine. There has never been a better time to save on proven quality sleep now during the ultimate sleep number of a Queen three. 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Right. You've got it. Here's page one tell them. They're awesome. Checks. Formula? Yeah. You got to age to remind them. How awesome? They are. Yes. Three good luck in the future. So you. Brand new man was the first one I number one. What's that number one party like back, then I time you get a number one. Oh back in the day. You hit number one. What do you do? I know Donna Hilley through so party Sony. I just remember we were big into our logo is this this this Longhorn steer on steroids. And Donna didn't know the difference for bless her heart. We turn the corner on our party, and she's got a cow out there. You know, these little horns America. Okay. Let's good effort. You know? But I think not. Did it ever get too big for you guys where you go? You look around and you go holy crap. Like, this is this is a lot like a lot of trucks a lot of stage ever go. This is this is a show. You know, it's just a matter of personal. I guess subjective viewpoint there. There's time was growing to the point to where you get on the bus and the door would open and shut like every fifteen minutes somebody going. Hey, we need more lights. We need to add the lights where do you think about adding, you know, more more monitors and that kind of stuff that's the most strenuous part. I think just dealing with the day to day. You got going opened not gonna step out there. And you know, not have enough a quick moment. And it was that was kind of out of our wheelhouse. Let's sing and write songs like more to it than that. Obviously you ever did the thing where you have the wrong city what up to below talking? When you're in rapid city and Cedar Rapids. And you know, some other something city, you know, that where you really have to remind yourself. I think the worst mistake I ever made that way was we played the basketball Coliseum at Michigan state. And I and I was really disoriented walk into the stage and going where what town is this though. I know I know we're Michigan state. But anyway, I just a see their logo going to the stage. And I went okay, I got this. So while you wanna scream something when you go out there walked out there, and I go how about you. Oh. I know I saw was on the wall. You know? Spartans. No, you're not coming back, dude. Like halfway through the show. They start to kinda smile. Smile again. Yeah, that's funny. So we started type. Right. The city on the ground swore. I'd never have to do that. But red deer road you both wrote that right art kicks heavy lifting. Does that mean you come in with most of the article? The bus were not after a show any said, he's got this idea title, or whatever. And we started talking about I grew up like in rural route three in Eldred Arkansas kind of you know in. We we talked about a lot of that stuff. And I'm not sure we didn't have the course. No well on its way. So funny. How we remember this stuff? Yeah. Everybody rock song. A different story. I'll tell you what really happened with after. This is my law. And then I remember having to like Tuykov and go, and we it was a long long drive like from somewhere like somewhere to Oregon relented in San Francisco, and we had a show in Sacramento at ARCO. See I'm in Oregon, you're on the other coast. You're on the right coast. They're both over there. All right. So anyway. I am in Beijing. The buses takeoff. We got morning kicks us buses parked in front of us. And I see him get out in. This is hair is like it looks like he's been through World War three or something. Stumbles up on the bus was guitar and he plays plays the song the versus on like good. God, man. Bingo, you hit it. You could tell done. So what really happened? Ronnie wrote down the primarily those great lines from the chorus on the airplane flat to San Francisco yet Terry McBride with you, and he hands it to me and goes, what do you think of this? I'm like shit that is great. And we had had this discussion about where we grew up in the red dirt roads, and we decided to name our album that but we'd said we got to write a song that goes with it. So I jumped on my bus he jumps on his and we had for Sacramento, and I just grabbed my tar went to work. We get there him and Terry go knock on my door and go let's go get a steak, and I said, cool, but you got to hear this. I saw in listen, and as rare Ronnie Dunn for him, he went I love it. That's great on which along with you. Let's go let's see to stay drink a beer all that kind of stuff. What was the one hit? You guys had with over twenty three number three number ones are looked earlier. What's? The one where you wrote you went that's the one like you could tell them media because I ask you the flip side of this in a second. What's the one where you went? That's it dirt red dirt was pretty close. I mean, I think that was a moment where we were all sitting around in played it for the first time went, I think, I think we've got it. It went in the studio. And then, you know, here comes that lick dot dot dot dot down. And it just turned into a like, I couldn't wait to get home and play that for Mark. Right. Because we we started gathering up some songs, but we needed that anchor and to go with the title, you know, and that's it's just that mammary go how we did it. So many variables contribute to that moment. In a lot of times. It's just when you sit down in the studio not knowing where it's going to go and the guitar player. It usually if tar sit down hit that lick, and he hit that intro lick up up up up up on there just turned into like kind of an anthem kind of the way we went on the other side of that what major song, but big hit you guys had the took forever. And you're like. Oh, let's think took forever to write to. We didn't get it. Right. And producing the first couple of times, we didn't put it like what's the struggle song? They're all struggle. That's like having a go. Do your homework. It's fun to saying funded fun to play. I think he'll Billy deluxe was one that was. Totally different song than believe. But it was a song that never, you know, barely got in the top ten. It might have made it might not even made top ten, but I'll watch our sales double. And and it's some of those songs just like believe people to this day. Go that song changed my life, though, songs that have the impact and it really make a difference in whatever they're not always those ditties that slam up to number one on radio or something like that. But you feel a connection to your fans, and and to your career that you're like man, that's that one now on got down there that one did some good, you know, the song that and I've often referenced on the show we talk about songs that actually make you like physically cry or feel like calculus don't cry. Are you kidding me? Are you still if that thing comes you hear that man? Oh, man. That song still I've heard this long ten thousand times, and I hear it again. And I don't I don't know if it's REBA being in a to the pushes me over the edge. But are you kidding me? Then she's things it back after our dad. I getting. Are you getting? There were a lot of red heads that had had a part in that tournament bride has has written daughter. I have to go through the red heads, and then REBA REBA factor in there as well that song and they're all into horses that song guys. I'm telling you. I don't know about said this shit. You guys are awesome. Have I told you guys that so far just making? Sure. All right. Four seven tell them. They're awesome. Listen, April, fifth the reboot record comes out there to songs out today. Luke combs with brand new man. Cain Brown with believe Brooks and Dunn here let me say this too because we have a lot of listeners on our Vegas station REBA Brooks and Dunn together in the Vegas Coliseum Caesar's palace. And so the twenty nineteen days on sale now or June twenty six twenty eighth and twenty ninth and July third fifth and sixth. So hope people go check it out. I'm going to go. You know, what I don't ever got anything. Right because I'm busy. I'm Wacoal, right everywhere. Well, you are I'm not that cool. But I am everyone. I'm trying to be I'm working on. I'm working hard, man. I was talking about dancing was like, dude. I just got off that show. And I saw you guys. And I was like, I'm tired. What everybody says hard house tired? I'm gonna come on watch one of these shows. We'll come on. Can you give us a tickets? We had some people don't like this on the. You show up your. Brooks and Dunn and yeah, check out. I'm excited about the record. I'm excited to see you guys appreciative of both of you guys like individually because until you guys together ever, but I appreciate you guys being called me. And yeah, thanks guys. Cool, man. Shit it one more time. Oh, you guys are awesome. Just want you guys. To know. You're a big part of my growing up and love and country music and small town in Arkansas that's getting smaller as telling you. Yeah. For me, man. I retired now. Like this. There's only a few people he out on. It was probably the Garth Brooks reading. Coming up with this is my childhood right here, doesn't what bucks. What did you grow up and talk on mount pine, which is seven hundred people outside of hot springs. But you know, as I do you go up in a small town in Arkansas. Oklahoma you go everywhere. So you know, you mentioned Eldorado, I know it. Well, we play ball down there. Yeah. So all right. I'm gonna let you guys go you've been here. A long time. I'd like to a couple more hours, but we can't run trying to walk out the door right now. So I'm not all right. I'm going to get out of your way. I'll feel like. Brooklyn. Good to see you guys. Thank you guys. Bobby show.

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11/2/19 - Is No News Good News?

WNBA Weekly

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

11/2/19 - Is No News Good News?

"This is Nicky Colin Dunn Canada another episode of WNBA Weekly. My name is Jason Snow and I am coming to Christie here in Barbados are just a few months ago so excited to be back I don't have time to do that I used to do but I did prep on a few stories so Baheren Barbados wish you guys with me out spent the day at the beach yesterday was beautiful time so we're kind of regrouping and we've got some interesting things going on we're you know increasing our coverage to also include podcasts over the NWS L. National Women's soccer in your life is still a great podcast totally recommended It it really got me into soccer at the end you can find in wwl biweekly I'm in a couple of other projects that we've gotten a works when we appreciate you sticking with us during the offseason we can do our best to bring you high quality WNBA weekly off you feel like supporting the show in more monetary fashion you can always support us on patriotic a new design because it's also on hoodies mugs and other stuff but a new design just a as always we appreciate it if you leave us a five star review on items that really helps us out currently we report has really been paying off in and we're seeing a big growth in the show so yeah we we would appreciate we liked that is because it means more people getting supposed to show the higher we are on the charge higher we are in the rankings episode first thing I wanted to talk about it shortly after basketball kind of settled one of the significant ones is that they're leaving their current home and moving to the Gateway Center arena for next it's interesting thing they did was this this new logo that they came out with I if you haven't seen it it's all this one is is much more shield ish if that makes sense tradition stuff that kind of flows into very shield ish Atlanta's history the rising phoenix when she can kind of tell if you look at the low if you look at their primary understatement the city's rise civilize the city's rise from ashes of the civil war to become ask which if you look at the bottom of the logo Kinda the curved lines of the basketball says represents so great logo big fan of the lower I like when they work hard to put Steve had was that this logo would really benefit from a customized that should probably be prominent bigger you know as a patch it doesn't really I mentioned the other big news coming out of Atlanta is the fact that they're moving over to the gate from Atlanta nor have I ever even been there so Atlanta people feel free to tell me that it's GonNa have better concessions and better WIFI better parking so there's average attendance of four thousand two hundred seventy the new venue only seats three thousand especially because last year their their their peak game the the had the highest attendance was over seven and you size and while generally I consider that a con the one prices will probably be able to be pushed up a little bit so you get those increased prices many people you know just the acoustics and everything sometimes favor that smoke I mean as much as we talk about rebranding all that stuff the dream have some serious stuff to figure out we're coming to visit in Beautiful Barbados airplanes flying right over my house so hopefully that's not too loud on the October saying WNBA W. N. b. p. a. have agreed to extend really the only news we have is no news A lot of people speculating myself up is that you know the the Wnba in the NBA even though fifty percent in the WNBA closer it's more in the twenties I I don't have the exact numbers on me but here's a pie of money how do we split it up but you talk about things like fist fit fixed you know really simplistic example but you get the Los Angeles sparks in Los Angeles Lakers playing in and so you think maybe say you know it costs ten thousand dollars to of revenue that night whereas the Lakers you know getting three hundred thousand back layers needs to get paid everything so it's it's a very complicated equation that they're dealing with aren't getting picked up you think about Gustafson this last season and also just this is just maybe one that I personally hope for but maybe better venue stadiums books because the stadium was accounting going to the playoffs or Yada Yada Yada whatever it is cements it sounds like right now both parties are very committed to the conversations that are going on compensated more fairly and if we could get the conversation around investing in Women's sports is come out but now I just WanNa turn over real quick into a highlight so I just wanted to give you a quick game of the week and this week it is going to be the number South Carolina of their four players season score ten are only returning to they lost returning a five ten guard Tisha Harris she went ten and nine or ten four points per game and five point one rebounds per game so you the US virgin island us down here fellow inhabited it's a team that's reloading and don't bet against on Staley and a lot of circumstances that some some skills to buildings and stuff So a little bit I guess amid reloading one exception is Brianna phaser who Brad Fraser who graduated she only started in two games Jack highlighting among those six one guard Kayla Charles who went seventeen bounds so big big players there and in very very but this is an early season game this game next Sunday and so you already has synergy who already knows how to play with each other is going to be more prepared team this year I just see that this is a little bit too much a little bit too early she could definitely have this team ready to go but for me all indications not tomorrow Sunday as of me reporting this being released so I just wanted to

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Ep 106: The Death of Jordan Davis: The Loud Music Trial

Court Junkie

00:00 sec | 7 months ago

Ep 106: The Death of Jordan Davis: The Loud Music Trial

"It was the day after Thanksgiving and in Jacksonville Florida fourteen. Each boys were getting ready to go to the mall. It was black Friday two thousand twelve a day of super sales and the unofficial beginning of the Christmas season but the boys were more interested in meeting up with some girls and hanging out for the evening then shopping. Nineteen year old Tommy. Storms picked up his friends Leland. Brunson and Jordan Davis from Davis's house in his Red Ringo. Suv The three friends drove a few minutes to their friend. Tevin thompsons house where they got dressed up to allow. The boys had only hung out as a group once before November. Twenty third two thousand twelve and were new friends. But what happened that fateful night? Eight years ago would bond the boys together forever. Tummy drove the Group. I to the town center mall an upscale outdoor mall in Southeast Jacksonville there they visited Jordan's girlfriend Elliott Harris who is working at urban outfitters Jordan and Elliot had met at school but hadn't been dating for very long when he Tommy Tavern and Leland stop by the store. She was surprised by the visit. They chatted for a little while until she had to get back to work and the boys loved. The boys decided to leave the town center mall and hit up the avenues mall in Jacksonville's southside neighborhood the boys pile back into Tommy's SUV. With Tommy. Driving and Tevin in the front passenger seat while Leland Jordan were in the back on the way to the mall. The boys stopped at a gate gas station on South Side Boulevard to buy gun in cigarettes. Tommy left the car running and went into the gas station store while the three other boys remained in the car. Loud rap music playing from the cars speakers. Tommy came back to the car a few minutes later and got into the driver's seat. He saw a man in a block. Volkswagen Jetta parked next to him. See something and then. He saw a gun. The man fired the gun three times and Tommy through his car into reverse to get away. The gunshots continued as he reversed and drove into a neighboring plaza. He heard glass shatter then more gunshots as he drove his friends to safety tummy noticed. The man with the gun was now outside of his sedan but didn't appear to be following the teens tummy stopped the car in the middle of the neighboring parking lot and called out his friends names wanting to make sure everyone was. Ok Tavern. Yes Leland yes Jordan. All Tommy heard was his friend gasping for Air Tummy jumped out of the Durango and walked over. To where Jordan was sitting. He saw Jordan was hurt but still alive. There were bullet holes in the car door. Tommy ran back to the driver's side and drove back to the gate gas station. Parking Lot Thinking. It was a good place to get help for his injured friend. Kevin and Tommy called nine one one for help while bystanders at the gas station pulled Jordan out of the Durango and administered CPR Hours later at a local hospital seventeen year old Jordan Davis was pronounced dead from four gunshot wounds. This is Jillian and you are listening to court junkie episode one. Oh six we live in such an advanced society. Nowadays or robots can vacuum our houses and we can send text messages through the watches on her wrists but the hair coloring industry is one thing that has always stayed the same. And it's frustrating. You either go to a hair salon where you sit for hours and not to mention spend tons of money or you have to go to a convenience store and try to pick out your own color then you get the color you think you should go with and it ends trying out your hair or worse. Not being at all you envisioned now. There's finally another option. Madison Reed. 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Your free product tour right now and receive your free guide six ways to run a more profitable business at net sweet dot com slash court. That's net sweet dot com slash court within twenty four hours of Jordan's murder. He's killer was apprehended. Jacksonville County Sheriff's Office arrested forty five year old software engineer Michael Dunn outside his Satellite Beach Home. Some two and a half hours from the gate gas station in Jacksonville following the shooting. The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office had responded to the scene and scoured the Dodge Durango and the gas station parking lot for evidence. Police found nine bullet holes in the Durango and kill an evidence technician with the sheriff's Office said Kibble said. Three bullets hit the front passenger door and were stopped by the doors. Interior Metal Wall narrowly missing Tevin Thompson. A bullet through. The truck's rear window passed through the car and struck the driver's side Sun visor. Next Tommy. Storms his head and then hit the front window. Kipah would later testify in court that he found several items including his cell phone a- basketball and a bottle of hair gel in the car but did not find a weapon or anything remotely resembling a weapon. He said the boys who survived were lucky to be alive. Given how narrowly? The bullets missed them during the shooting. A bystander to this shooting had jotted down the license plate number of the car that had fired on the boys and within a few hours police had identified. The man believed to be responsible as Michael. John cleese canvas for local businesses to see if they had video footage of the shooting but to their dismay no one including the gate. Gas Station had captured any video. There was no video evidence that could show police. What may have led to the fatal shooting? Leland who hadn't stopped shaking and was visibly emotional as well as Kevin and Tommy were taken from the gas station that night to the Jacksonville. Sheriff's Office Homicide Unit. There were put in separate rooms and interviewed separately between eleven thirty PM and twelve. Am The following morning. The police showed the boys of photo spread of various suspects including Michael Dunn. In hopes that the boys would be able to identify the man who had shot them. All three identified Michael Dunn as the killer Michael Dunn and his fiancee. Rhonda Rower had been Jacksonville over Thanksgiving for his son. Christopher's wedding they had arrived in town on Thanksgiving with their seven month. Old French bulldog Charlie in tow and checked into the Deerfield Sheridan near Jacksonville. The wedding was the Friday after Thanksgiving in Orange Park. A suburb of Jacksonville done told Divall County detectives in a recorded interview. He and Rondo went to the ceremony. Sated the reception until about seven PM and left to return to their hotel rooms so they could let charlie out for a bathroom break on the way back. The couple stopped at a gate gas station on sell side Boulevard and done park next to a Red Durango because it was the closest parking spot to the convenience store after they had parked done said the Durango began to play loud music. Rhonda would into the store to buy a bottle of white wine in some potato chips leaving done in the car he told. Investigators at the music was so unbearably loud that he rolled down his window and politely asks the boys in the Durang goes back seat to turn the music down. Well him embarrassed to say this but Got Out she's on the store in there like Suv next to US and And The music starts and I roll down my window and I asked them nicely demand morale. Thank you guys. Mind TURNING THAT DOWN. And they started off. I was like thank you Cordial cordial he said he ruled his window back up and everything was fine until he started hearing the guy in the back seat who was later identified is Jordan Davis swearing at him. He said Jordan was agitated and told his friend in the front seat to turn the music back up. And so the music started blasting again. He said he didn't know if they were singing. Or what but he could then hear them say kill him. He said he rolled down his window again and said. Excuse me are you talking about me? He said Jordan was swearing at him and then pulled out what looked like a shotgun threatened him and then opened the car door so done pulled out his own gun from the glove box and fired. The Durango then started driving away done. Said he was still scared and so he shot about four more times as the Durango was fleeing. Now I am. I still feel safe. I thought you know there is another car. I I didn't know I mean I'm in a strange town. Strange area just had my wife threaten. The love of my life is one store and she doesn't know if she can't find her she and I have to go. So where did you go after I started doing right to the Hotel Bentley display? Those are waiting for another time calming. He said he went over this a million times and what he should have done was to put the car in reverse but it was fighter flight. He said and he didn't think there was any time for flight. At that moment I was going to get shot. He said after the shooting Rhonda came out of the store and the two left. The scene for their hotel done told detectives that they parked outside the hotel's front entrance and went straight to their room. Done took his puppy for a walk outside the hotel while Rhonda remained inside the room. Neither called nine one one but they did order a pizza to be delivered to the hotel done said he learned on. Tv later that night that a teenager had been killed during the shooting the next morning after sleeping very little done said he and Rhonda checked out of the Hotel at eight am and drove home to Satellite Beach when detectives pressed him on why he left Jacksonville without calling nine. One one done said he didn't want to bring quote this shit storm down in Jacksonville in wanted to get Rhonda and the puppies settled at home before things get out of Control Kit it to detectives that he never should've left the scene but said he loved because he was still afraid for his life right off. The Bat police were sceptical about done. Story had the teenagers really threatened the forty five year old man. Why did done flee after the shooting instead of calling nine one one if he was so threatened and afraid and if done said he was threatened by a gun then why had no weapon been recovered from either the vehicle or the gas station. Police told done there hadn't been weapon in Tommy's storms. His vehicle in response done asked the detectives if there had been a stick or anything like that he could have confused with a gun. No the detective said the officers were also confused by something else done was saying he said Jordan was starting to get out of the Durango when he pulled out his gun and fired yet. By the time you come back and start shooting. He's still on the truck coming out. I think he was doing was running back again. I know but that's all care. He is sitting in the backseat of that truck. When he is hit goes right through the door. Three bullets went through that door. Okay he wasn't. He wasn't hit standing outside the drug. I I and I know I sound through the door. Probably him out of door. You're shooting for computers. Yeah latches Kinda learn. I went to do what I was doing when I came back I'm firing latches the door now when when I got my gun on the event what you what you mean by the last one of the doors of he's been okay so he's stepping out. Yes and then I and you go to reach the by the time you come back and come up just blazing. Somehow he's still drug for me. I'm not staff with the whole thing that it was already wasn't getting out with a truck absolutely you once. The officers also explained that none of the teenagers had a history of violence and none of the witnesses heard any kind of altercation or dispute between done and the boys done told the detectives said in his mind. The boys had a weapon and he assumed they wanted to hurt him. When you go to confrontational those guys have Amanda. If there was a gun truck they wouldn't shut. You had to get out. Bayer shot right through from the. It was like he was shooting from your car. Because you guys your your directly able when you hire you are found with the front passenger and we can figure no thing from work emerged on Jacksonville. People don't get out of the car to be seen. They shouldn't so one goes through. She writes on it. I. I'm getting out of his car. Where does close to ten? He was getting out of his car out here after repeatedly told me that he was gonNA kill me. Done continued to tell. Police said he feared for his life and was acting in Self-defense. But by the end of the nearly hour long interview done was charged with first degree murder and three counts of second degree attempted murder. All Michael Dunn said in reaction to his impending arrest was that sucks. Shortly after Jordan. Davis's murder. His parents filed a wrongful death and defamation civil lawsuit against Michael Dunn arguing that he caused them damage when he claimed their son was violent. Done initially did not agree to a settlement but the two parties eventually settled for an undisclosed amount in January two thousand fourteen before the start of Dunn's Criminal Trial Dunn's trial loomed large in the United States and drew comparisons to the trial of George Zimmerman. Who was acquitted in two thousand thirteen of all charges after shooting and killing seventeen year? Old Trayvon Martin in Sanford Florida like Martin Staff Davis killing and duns trial launched civil rights protests across the nation and brought a renewed focus to the issue of racial profiling. The cases did have many similarities both featured a seventeen year old boy who was black shot by a man who was white within the same year. The shootings came at a time when the black lives matter. Movement was gaining momentum and Florida's controversial stand. Your ground law was drawing increased scrutiny. The law code defied in two thousand five allows people to use lethal force and claim self defense if they have a reasonable belief that their lives are threatened regardless of whether the threat is real or perceived Michael Dunn went to trial in February two thousand fourteen to secure a first degree murder conviction. The State of Florida was tasked with proving that done had acted with malice when he shot. Jordan Davis Assistant State Attorney. John Guy said in his opening statement that done shot at the boys because he was angry and that he intended to Kill Them. He said the boys were simply out enjoying themselves when nine bullets came crashing through their vehicle killing Jordan Davis lying in the backseat with his head and we would Brunson's unbeknownst to any of them. Three of those bullets at found their target one of them at entered is right leg one of them at entered his left leg and one of them had entered his right side limor after both of his loans and shredded is in the end. The blood that for seventeen years running so naturally through Jordan Davis Baynes arteries was pouring out of prosecutor. Guys opening statement focused on Dunn's reaction to the shooting and his behavior in its aftermath. He described for the jury. How done drove back to his hotel room and walked his dog. He then ordered a pizza and made himself a big rum and coke. Prosecutor guys said before watching a movie. He fell asleep around the same time that an emergency room doctor pronounced Jordan Davis dead rather than moving his car. Going into the store because the music was bothering him. Prosecutor guys said done rolled down his window and chose to engage in altercation. He urged the jury to find the inconsistencies and done story. He said Jordan Davis who wasn't alive to tell his side of the story in court didn't want to be told what to listen to or it would volume by anyone let alone a total stranger. He said after Davis and done exchanged words. The next thing anyone heard were the quote three incredibly loud bangs that killed Jordan Davis Corey Strom. Dunn's defense attorney repeatedly told the jury that done felt threatened by Jordan Davis Tevin Thompson Leland. Brunson and Tommy starnes for the first time in his life. He has to defend himself sterling done. He had never used his gun before that night. And the evidence is going to show the only person that I was Jordan Davis and his words to Michael Donahoe. Rana fucking kill you. I kill you right now. See that's in your guy didn't tell you the facts are gonNA come out to a stroller said that. Jordan Davis antagonized done into shooting him and that the teenager was solely responsible for escalating. The situation he argued that there was no visible sign of aggression or anger from Dun. Dun hadn't gotten out of his vehicle hadn't banged on his steering wheel and heading yelled at the boys before the shooting on the other hand he said Jordan Davis had gotten out of the car had sworn at done and engaged his client in an altercation. Stroller also argued that police botched the investigation and thought it was a typical Jacksonville murder. Not a case of self-defense. Jacksonville is the murder capital of Florida. He said and police responded to the shooting like it was every other incident and not a clear case of self defense. He said there was a lot of time for the teenagers. To get rid of the weapon. Done had seen Jordan Davis holding the gestation. Parking lot was big enough that some people hadn't even heard the shooting he said and police didn't search the gas station. Parking Lot. The bushes the roof of the gas station the dumpsters or the nearby lakes. The parking lot wasn't even secured. It was open to the public shortly after the investigation sterling said and evidence could have been hidden destroyed or simply overlooked. The jury was tasked with stepping into Michael Dunn's shoes and determining whether he had acted reasonably prior to the shooting. They needed to decide whether he had acted with malice and intended to kill the boys or whether his life really had been threatened and the shooting was justified. The state's first witness was Jordan's girlfriend Leah Harris as mentioned before. Olivia worked at the town center mall at urban outfitters and saw Jordan. Shortly before his death he had come to visit her that night and seemed to be in good spirits and happy. She said nothing about his demeanor suggested he was agitated or aggressive or looking for a fight. Elliot's testimony was brief on cross examination. Defense Attorney Cory Stroller of Jordan had ever owned a gun. Elliot's said no he hadn't he asked her of Jordan had ever carried a knife. No Elia said she had never known him to carry a knife sterling. Finish the cross-examination by asking how long she had been dating Jordan. He wanted to undermine her testimony and show that she didn't really know Jordan that well and therefore could not reliably say if he had owned a gun or carried a knife. She responded that they had only been together for sixty days. Before the shooting. After Leah's testimony the state called several witnesses to the stand who had actually seen the shooting at the gate gestation that night. The first up was Steve Smith. A general contractor who built apartment complexes and had been at the gas station that night to buy a fountain. Drink Smith said he had frequented the gas station to pick up snacks and drinks for his crew but on the night of November Twenty Third Thousand Twelve. It felt a little different prosecutor. Angela Corey who is one of three prosecutors working. The trial asked Smith if he had noticed a Red Dodge Durango that night Smith said he had and that he had avoided parking next to it because there was music playing loudly and he didn't want to deal with it. He pulled into another parking spot to avoid the nuisance. He said there were plenty of open spots at the gas station so it wasn't a problem. Smith testified that he got out of his truck and went inside the convenience store he joked to the cashier about how loud the music was and said. I wish they turned it up. It's my favorite song. The cashier laughed and Smith left the store to return to his vehicle on his way out. Smith saw the Durango was still blasting music but didn't notice anything else and testified that he didn't see anyone in the truck talking to anyone in the nearby cars. Nobody was outside of the cars. He said Smith past behind Dunn's Volkswagen Jetta at the time of the shooting. He testified that he saw no weapons. Coming out of the window of the Durango but did hear a man say you're not GonNa talk to me that way in an angry voice before he saw a pistol coming out of the JETTAS window. When I heard someone yell at me turned around us. All a pistol in the front seat between the stern will go compartment area. That was a big silver chrome millimeter or forty five dollars. A large caliber pistol. Tell the jurors how you could see that. Turn around and it was. It was right here. The other pistol and were you. What portion of the Black Jetta were you looking through to be able to observe what you just described passengers window and was there anyone that you noticed in the passenger seat or in the back seat of the Black Jetta normal what happened? Then the gun was pulled around shots. Were fired at the Red Ranga. Was there someone firing those shots just fan? Who did you notice that to be the driver? After witnessing the shooting Smith said a woman came out of the convenience store and the man in the Volkswagen Jetta said get in. Let's go and the car drove away. The state's next witness was Andrew Williams. Who was driving past the gestation on South Side Boulevard? When the shooting occurred Williams had been driving his wife and two teenagers they knew from their church. Williams and his wife were chaperoning the two teens on their first date they like Jordan Davis and his friends were on their way to the Avenues Mall. They had planned to get some dinner and then see a movie at Tinseltown Theater Williams heard the shooting while he was driving and pulled into the gate gas station to see if he could help. He testified that he saw a black car. Leave the parking lot quickly. He said he never saw the four boys. In the Red Durango which had returned to the gate gas station discard? Any weapons are toss anything from their car. She told prosecutors. The young men were crying and yelling. He's not moving. He's not moving so he rushed over to help. He took Jordan's pulse while the boys friends held him and continued to cry. The Gate Gas Station Cashier Maria. Grimes testified next and she said she had been helping. Dunn's Fiancee Rhonda Rower at the time of the shooting. Grimes heard the gunshots and exclaimed. He's shooting he shooting get down but the woman had walked out of the store leaving her chips and white wine and the counter. Grimes described seeing the same thing that the other witnesses had a man shooting a silver pistol pointing out of a black Volkswagen. Jetta but the prosecution was hoping that a man named Shawn Adkins would be their most essential witness in the case. Atkins was a homeless man. Who had been living in his car and who happened to have parked at the gas station when the shooting happened. Atkins PROVED TO BE AN UNLIKELY STAR. Witness for the prosecution when he testified. He was actually incarcerated at the Florida State Penitentiary and serving a seven-year sentence for stealing from his grandmother and her friend. In fact in a twist of irony his criminal case was prosecuted by the same attorneys working. Dunn's case Atkins was escorted into the courtroom by security shackled and in his prison uniform. He told the jury that he was living in his truck on November. Twenty third two thousand twelve and had parked at the gate gas station so that his girlfriend could use the bathroom. He testified that he heard two or three pops that sounded like firecrackers. He looked over just in time to witness a man with gray hair. Shoot a gun towards the Red Durango from a small black sedan. A minute later a woman came out of the gas station. Store got into the man's car and drove off. Atkins said he got out of his car and as he watched the black sedan drive away wrote down the license plate number. How did the shooter drive off fast? They drove off the same directions to join. Go a little bit of speed. Did you stay in your car after you had memorized his license? Tag Number of for a second just to make sure he drove Now into the gas station right. What did you do when you got inside the gate gestation? I gave the first cows. Our first cashier is seen the license plate number Atkinson. His girlfriend left the gas station immediately after the shooting because he had violated his probation five days earlier. 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When they calm down. Kevin Thomson was the first to testify. He told prosecutors that he had met Jordan through mutual friends and they quickly became close on the night of the murder. Tommy Jordan and Leland pick seven up at his house and they went to the town center mall. Tevin said he wasn't quite sure what time they left them all but they stopped at the gas station so that Tommy could get cigarettes and gum on the way to the avenues mall. The other. Three boys stayed in the car. He said and were playing music while they waited. Prosecutors asked heaven if he could identify the man who had parked next to them after. Tommy went into the gas station store and tavern identified Michael Dunn as the gray haired man sitting in the courtroom wearing a black sweater over a white button. Tevin said he heard done. Say I can't hear myself think and ask them to turn down the music. Kevin was sitting in the during goes passenger seat and complied. He said Jordan then said to him. Fuck that turned the music back up from the back seat. Kevin said Jordan was clearly talking to him not Michael Dunn and turned the music back up to a piece. His friend Tevin said he heard Jordan talk with John. Likely in response to the man but he said he never heard his friend yell or threaten the defendant in any way. Did you ever see anything? And Jordan Davis HIS HANDS. While he was talking to the defendant. Moso did you see or hear Jordan Davis Attempt to get out of the Durango at any point. Did you ever see or hear Leland? Brunson threaten the defendant anyway in. Did you threaten the defendant? That Way Mosa Tevin said at some point. Tummy got back in the car. Shortly after that Michael Dunn fired into the car prompting the boys to flee recalling those tense moments for the jury Tevin said he remembered Tummy calling. Everyone's name and Jordan gasping for breath in response. Dunn's Attorney Corey Strila Grilled Heaven and how loud the music was in the car. He tried to poke holes in the three boys testimonies by asking questions that implied that the music was so loud that they couldn't possibly have heard Jordan threatened done or an altercation. Is it possible? That Jordan Davis threaten Mr Dinan. You didn't hear it. Also I sustain. Are there things that he was saying and yelling? That you couldn't hear because the music was loud. Same Leland Brunson. He's sitting right there behind you and you couldn't hear him talk either and isn't it true that you never heard. Mr Deng say anything. You can only see him what you say. Mouth the words through a window and his windows. What is tinted right and your work and you even told me that he could never even see inside the caucus their tinted correct. So at that point he just knows he's talking to a car full of people right. Sustain Leland Brunson's testimony was very similar to Evans Leland had been best friends with Jordan and had known him the longest of all three boys he told prosecutors that he never heard his friend threatened. Michael Dunn and he had never seen his friend with the Weapon Leland said Jordan was tired of people telling him what to do and is set as much in the car he said Jordan. Didn't yell at done until the forty five year old man was already screaming at the boys about disrespecting him. Leland also said that Jordan never used profanity while speaking with John Tommy. Storms is testimony went the longest of the three boys. He was after all the person sitting closest to Michael Dean when the shooting occurred. Tommy was inside the gas station store for whatever the preamble to the shooting was. But when the gun went off Tommy's first reaction he said was to get away and he threw the car into reverse. The gunshots continued as they drove away. Tell me get out of the Durango to check to make sure his vehicle was okay and didn't have any severe damage. He then described realizing that Jordan had been shot. When you call Jordan Davis's name. Did He respond author? Did you look back into the back seat? When Jordan Davis didn't respond and how is Jordan Davis Position? I guess Leila Against Against Leland like leaning on him user was Jordan Davis. Making any sounds at that time but was that was. Jordan Davis moving in any way no sir. He ran back to the driver's side and drove back to the gate gas station. His best chance of getting his friend help. Tommy was on Felony Probation for a third degree felony burglary and had a seven PM curfew effect. That drew scrutiny from Corey. Stola sterler questioned whether Tommy was telling the truth about where he was the night. Jordan was killed questioning how long it took them to get from the first mall to the gas station and wondered if Tommy was hiding facts and times to avoid issues with his probation. Tommy denied doing so. Sterler also questioned Tommy's character by asking him about a song he had written produced and released called Jordan Davis in the days after the murder. Sterling asked didn't you release this song and hopes you'd make money off of his death. No Tommy responded but you would only hung out with Jordan Davis twice including the day of the shooting. Stroller pressed on. Yes that's correct. Tommy replied sterling again tried to plant the seed of doubt that Tommy seven and Leland were actually witnesses to an altercation started by Jordan with Michael. Done all three boys had maintained throughout their testimony that done became angry with them and Jordan had not done anything to provoke him. Did Mr Don do anything to make you notice him? Stroller asked no. Tommy said he wasn't banging on the steering wheel and screaming. Sterler asked no Tommy responded sterling. Wanted to make the case that done had remained calm and collected during his interactions with the boys and that he hadn't shot. Jordan Davis in a fit of rage but rather had genuinely feared for his life. Rhonda Rower Michael Dunstan say was the prosecution's first witness on the third day of the trial. Her testimony was highly anticipated by the prosecution as she was able to paint a picture of what happened. And how Michael Dunn had behaved in the shootings aftermath. Runa looked visibly nervous and her voice shook. Is she began her testimony. She sniffles loudly before she started and frequently had to pause to dry her eyes and regain her composure prosecutor Erin Wolfson started her questioning by asking Rhonda if she knew Michael Dunn Yes. She said through tears he is her fiance and they had known each other for six years. Rondo told the court that she and done lived in satellite beach a small community on Florida's Atlantic coast. The two had gone to Jacksonville for done son's wedding and started their day with breakfast. At Mimi's cafe. They left the hotel to go to the wedding between three and three fifteen pm she told prosecutors the wedding was in Orange Park and done drove them in his black Volkswagen. Jetta for the twenty five minute journey at a reception directly after the wedding. Ronda said she drank a glass of red wine and three rum and cokes. She also had a glass of champagne during the toast. Prosecutors asked how many drinks done had and said she thought he had three or four rum and cokes at the reception. He may have had a sip of champagne. She said but didn't drink the whole glass because he didn't like champagne. The couple left the wedding around seven PM before the reception was over because they wanted to get back to their seven month old puppy who was created in their hotel room. Once again done drove prosecutors asked if Rhonda was worried about Michael. Driving as he had been drinking. She said she didn't think twice and that he didn't appear to be under the influence on their way to the hotel. They stopped at the gate gas station because they hadn't eaten much that day and wanted some snacks to take back to their hotel room. Ronda said they perked really close to a red truck and noticed that even with all the car windows up she could hear music coming from the inside. She couldn't make out the lyrics but she could hear the bass she said. It wasn't so loud though. She said that their car was rattling or anything like that after they had parked but before she got out of the car. Ronda said she remembered done saying I hate that thug music. She kissed her fiance took twenty dollars from his wallet and went into the store. She went inside and looked for a bottle of wine and CAPE COD potato chips. She was walking to the cash register when she heard the shots. Where were you when you first heard? Pop Pop high was walking to the register. Kind of goes slake along and then the cash cash registers rate here. So I was kind of walking up. The aisle in the clerk was standing there. Were you at all paying attention to what was going on outside? No why wasn't what did you do when you first heard gunshots. I said what was that. And where are you speaking of the cashier in front of you and so it was? What did you hear? Next when I heard another pup pup pup and what did you do after you heard the second set of will? I didn't do anything. The cashiers said the guy Evening has the gun and I turned around to. She was talking about Mr. Our when you turned around. What did you see Mike Looking? Note his driver's door. In what position was the driver's door? The door we could use the body profile the profile of the defendant of that time. Es Wake could you describe for during what position he was in? It was like he was facing out the door. Could you see what he was doing with his hands knowing I didn't see his hands. Could you see whether or not he was crouched down at all knowing not. She left the chips and wine at the register when she got outside done yelled at her to get back in the car but she said she froze done asked her again and she walked over to the car just in time to see him putting the gun back into the glove compartment. As soon as she was inside. The Car Ronda said done reversed and drove out of the gas stations main exit. He was driving quickly. She said and they went straight back to the hotel without calling nine one one when they got back to the hotel. Rhonda changed her clothes and done took the puppy outside to go to the bathroom. Ronda said she went to sit by the elevators. There was a little lounge area as she figured. The police would be there soon. She was waiting for them. When done returned from walking the dog they sat together in the lounge for a little while they eventually returned to the hotel room and ordered a pizza because Rhonda's stomach didn't feel well and done thought she should eat something he made them both strong rum and cokes to have with their dinner they went to bed and Ronda said she woke up around seven. Am when she awoke done was in the bathroom? The television was on. She saw on the news that a teenager had been killed at the gate gas station that night and her stomach turned. She told done she wanted to go home. She said she thought she was going to be arrested. Two and wanted to get their puppy taken care of before the police came Rhonda and done were supposed to go to Saint Augustine a historic city. Not far from Jacksonville that night with done son but they canceled the trip and instead when straight home they left their hotel by eight. Am without eating breakfast or getting a cup of coffee. Done drove them the two and a half hours. It took to get home and they arrived in satellite beach by ten thirty back in Satellite Beach. Rhonda got a phone call from a Jacksonville number. She handed the phone to done because she thought it might be his son. Instead it was a homicide detective Rhonda was also a key witness for the defense. She knew Meikeljohn it better than anyone during cross examination. Corey stroller was relatively gentle with her. He asked if she had been upset by what had happened. Ronda said she was very upset and very shocked about the shooting. He asked if when they returned home she and done had made an effort to hide the block. Volkswagen Jetta there was undeniably linked to the shooting. She said Dome done had parked car next to the hotel entrance while they were there and then he parked the car in front of their home when they returned. Sterler was curious about duns tone at the gate gas station when he said I hate that thug music. Rhonda's said he hadn't acted angry or had the dashboard and he certainly hadn't threatened anyone in her presence. During the prosecution questioning of Rhonda Prosecutor Erin Wolfson had asked about how much alcohol Rhonda and done had consumed at the wedding. Sterling's questions sought to contextualized. How many drinks they had do you and Mr Dunn Have Alcoholic Beverages? When you go to dinner he asked yes. Ronn decide they also drink at home? And when they are at friends homes. She told him she reiterated for Stroller. That done did not seem impaired from the alcohol at all at the time of the shooting stroke also pressed Rhonda on the details of the evening. After the shooting he had run to clarify done had ordered a pizza and why they watched a movie. Ronda said they did both things to help settle her stomach and get her to relax. Stroller also asked Rhonda about whether they were rushing to flee Jacksonville the morning after the shooting or if they were trying to get organized before dealing with the police. Rhonda's said they left to get themselves and their dogs settled before they inevitably questioned by the police. The prosecution's final witnesses included the medical examiner. Who DID JORDAN DAVIS AUTOPSY? Following the shooting Stacy's Simon's a forensic pathologist and the county medical examiner said that Jordan's body was brought to them hours. After he died he had no drugs or alcohol in his system. According to a toxicology report she said and he was killed by multiple gunshot wounds. Simon's testified that Jordan had likely been killed while seated given the nature of his injuries. And the information she received from law enforcement about the bullet holes in the Durango. This testimony conflicted with defense's assertion that Jordan had been standing up and pointing a shotgun at done before he was killed. Simon's also said that Jordan was five feet eleven inches tall and weighed a hundred and forty five pounds with clothes shoes and while wrapped in the sheet used by the medical examiner to transport bodies. She said she believed he. Likely way less than one hundred and forty five pounds at the time of his death. This piece of evidence was interesting. In light of the fact that done was six feet four inches tall. And we'd more than two hundred pounds by those standards. Prosecutors argued done shouldn't have been afraid of a teenage boy who was significantly smaller than he was. The prosecution rested their case on day. Three after Simmons's testimony the defense is first witnesses. Were Michael Dunn's friends on the Fourth Day of the trial? They all said that done was a stand up guy who is always polite and calm in their presence. Many of these friends had met done through his hobby flying airplanes and we're also friends with his parents. Randy Berry was one such friend. He testified that he met done in the year. Two Thousand and they became close spending holidays together and forming a tight knit group of friends. I always thought he was a gentleman. He said Beverly Berry Randy Berry's wife also testified that she had never observed anything other than a calm demeanor. She said the news of Dunn's arrest had shocked their community. Dunne's friends testimony was very brief and so was prosecutor. Angela Corey's cross examinations. She questioned how well the berries really new done were. They better friends with his parents or with him. Prosecutor Corey asked Beverly Berry if they had ever played rap music at their gatherings. When done was present no she said had beverly ever seen done interact with black teenagers. No she said. Christopher done Michael's son testified that his father hadn't been angry at the wedding and there wasn't any animosity between his father. Or any of the other wedding guests. Starla asked Christopher if he had seen his father pounding drinks and Christopher said he hadn't in fact Christopher said his father seemed to be in a really good mood that night Dunn took the stand on the fifth day of the trial for several hours telling his side of the story he had been jailed since his arrest November. Twenty third two thousand twelve but had been in constant communication with Rhonda and his family sending them letters decrying the media's portrayal of him and the prosecution's depiction of his alleged crimes. His testimony would be key for his case as it would be the only chance the jury had to hear about what he said he felt an experienced before the shooting done repeated his fiancee. Rhonda Roure had told the Court and said they left the wedding early to let out there puppy on their way back to the hotel done said. They stopped at the gas station and he parked closest to the convenience stores door next to a Durango. Yes done said there were other parking spots available but they were further away and he wanted to be close to the doors. Since Rondo was only running in for a few items done said he couldn't recall if the music was blasting from the Durango when he parked next to it but it quickly became an issue. He said he had asked people to turn down their music before he was heard of hearing in his right ear which causes his left ear to overcompensate he said the music was so loud. He was physically uncomfortable. He said he rolled down his window. And ask the boys to turn it down. I said can you turn it down? Please the boys turn the music off and done said thank you. The front windows of the truck were tinted enrolled up so he couldn't see who was inside but the back windows were down and he could see Jordan Davis. How soon after that did anything else happen? Other than that. Kind of moments of silence just talked about Very soon after I start hearing things like F him F that in some now saying Abbey where they actually saying a word or or you pair. I'm paraphrasing okay. Was it in a nice tone? Was what will now. It was mean-spirited. You know just like annoyed if you will and once you read these comments did you look back over react at all. Not even a little bit. Did you roll your window down and say anything? No did not make you angry. Note did not. Did You Punch your steering wheel. No did you throw your phone now. Not No reaction at all. Okay at that point after you don't react at all. Does it. Escalate well the music came back on the music comeback on same or even allow now is probably a little bit less loud than it was but it came back on and was still that based on just absolutely done told sterling that when the music was turned on again he was going to just deal with it but then he said he started to feel threatened and again did you turn yellow the guys in the SUV. When they turn the music on the second time. I I I wasn't gonNA ask compared to more favors again. Okay and did you still hear somebody yelling and cursing? At that time. I did now now ugly. I I heard you know something something cracker just did you actually hear certain words are gathering paraphrase. I heard some things. Okay and without going those specific terms you gotTa knew what they were saying to. Yes I did now again. You're not showing any reaction at this point to things escalate out of the person yelling you in the SUV. Yeah because you know when when this enough that there was no music playing Hear him now there's Something base and I can hear him. His voice is elevating he. Can you hear it? Because he's yelling so loud it's over. It's over that thumping noise okay and this yelling now. Include threats of violence against you well after hearing the something something cracker in this Matt I hear I should kill that motherfucker How many times did you hear that? I heard hired him. Say That and I wasn't sure if that's what I heard. Are you trying to listen a little? Now I'm listening closely like when I'm sitting there. I'm kind of thinking about the Nice Day we had. I'm thinking about San obviously tomorrow but when this I should kill that. Motherfucker comes through now. I'm paying attention to what they're saying. That kinda got it. Yes in an even more elevated voice. I hear I should fucking kill that motherfucker. Now he's screaming. There's no there's no mistake of what he said. That is what he said do you. That look over see. Is Somebody talking to you? I did. In fact I'm to the point where I think it's time to to try to deescalate this. Okay and what do you mean by that to try to calm things down? He said he lowered his car window and asked them. Are you talking about me when he was saying this? He said he saw Tommy storms out of the corner of his eye walking back to the car but he was really looking at the guy sitting in the rear passenger seat. Who We now know was Jordan Davis. He said he could clearly see into the vehicle and he saw two young men with quote menacing expressions. And why did you ask that as a question if they were talking about you while they're saying they wanted to kill the her and I wanted to know I was that Okay and if they did say yes. And you said you wanted to de-escalated what were your intentions of talking to that back passenger while I wanted to Make it clear that I said thank you I mean I i. I didn't mean any respect by asking the turn the music down. He said he didn't escalate the conversation. But that Jordan responded to him and said yes. I am talking to you He he reached forward and pick something up and slammed it against the door. Okay when you said he reached forward. Did he reach? He reached down okay down towards his feet down towards I mean I could see. His shoulders moves conceal his hands. But you can imagine. Somebody's shoulders move forward that they're reaching down all right. Could you see actually lean down towards the floor? That are incident. He said he was feeling threatened but he didn't reach for his firearm. Or try to get away at this point. He said he then frozen fear when he saw the barrel of a gun sticking out above the during goes window were Jordan was sitting. He said he knows what his shotgun looks like because he used to shoot sporting clays pretty regularly with his father still. He said he didn't reach for his firearm. At that point he He put he slammed Something against the door and Yeah I'M GONNA fucking kill you because when I asked him. Are you talking about me? He was just saying I should kill them ever and I asked him. Are you talking about me? I didn't know what it was that first. But when he says I'M GONNA fucking kill you I look. I'm looking at a barrel. He's he's showing me a gun. Needs threatened me. He said he was stunned and feared for his life. He wasn't just threatened. He was threatened with death. He said he was also afraid that Rhonda might be caught in the crossfire and be injured. It wasn't just my life. He told Stroller but also hers at that moment. Sterler ass done what changed for him. Why did things escalate further? What prompted done to pull out. His pistol didn't react to this I'm just like processing what's going on in the the CY young man in the back seat in the back passenger seat opens his door. You know like he cracked it. He just topped it open. Could you hear the door unhedged? Yes and I signed move just a little bit okay. And at that point. Because you've already said you were fear of your life when he said you're dead bitch with a gun right well. He said he was gonNA kill me but after he opened the door then he looked at me and said you're dead bitch and we're you still sitting there in shock. This I was still in fear for your life I became even more fearful at that point. Okay at that point. What did you believe was about to happen to you? I thought I was going to be killed. He said still. He didn't pull out his gun. Then he said he saw Jordan. Get Out of the car After the The continued threat of your debt. Now the door opens and this young man gets out and as his head clears the window frame. He says this shit's going down now. Done admitted that he didn't see Jordan with a gun as he got out of the car but said he felt it was still a clear and present danger. He reached for his pistol in the car's glove compartment stripped off the holster cocked. The gun in the window in pointed in the direction of his alleged attacker but went through. My mind is That this was a clear and present danger. And I said you're not gonNA kill me you son of a bitch. Michael Dunn testified that he does not recall how many times he fired. But according to law enforcement testimony and records nine shots were fired that night. My hearing kind of dimmed I sentences just kind of everything. Faded in the background and it was focused on the target in pulling the trigger without target of being. Just just vidor shooting at the door. Let's for the threat was coming from That was the last place I saw my attacker in. That was about as far back as I could get where my position done told. Stra that after the shooting he was shaking like a leaf but was trying to be stoic and process would have just happened at the same time. He said he was worried that the young men might come back or send others after him. When Renzo came out of the store Dunn said he told her he had acted out of self defense and that they weren't in trouble with the local police. We might be in trouble with the local gangsters but not the police. He said he told her done. Drove the couple back to the hotel and said they spent the night exactly as Rhonda had described earlier in the trial. He walked the dog order a pizza and poured them drink so they could try and relax unlike Rhonda Dunn said he couldn't fall asleep until five. Am He was having trouble processing the shooting and felt extremely shaken up? He watched the news all night and used his phone to look up information about the shooting when he found out that someone had been killed at the gas station. He said he went to the bathroom sick to his stomach. He was in the bathroom trying to clean himself up when Rhonda woke up and saw the news for herself done said. Rondo was an emotional wreck when she found out about Jordan Davis's death but he tried to soothe her by saying he'd done nothing wrong. I knew I had done nothing wrong but it was hard to get her to understand. It done said Sterler asks done if he believed that morning that he was going to be accused of the murder absolutely not he replied stroller then asked questions about duns pilot license was it active. Did he have a passport on hand did he? F- cash. Did he have access to a plane? Did he contact airlines? Did he contact a car? Rental did he. By a bus pass done said no to all the questions which were meant to insinuate that he hadn't tried to flee and that he was confident that he had acted in self defense when done got home to settle a beach around ten thirty A. M. He said he contacted his friend and neighbor. Who worked for federal law enforcement? He walked for about three minutes to his friend's house and told him what had happened in Jacksonville. He was shortly after that called by the Jacksonville police and he told them that he was going to the Brevard County sheriff's Office to be questioned. He didn't take his gun with them and didn't try to get out of it. He said but instead officers showed up at duns home and he was instructed to come out of the House with his shirt off and hands up. He told the court that he was considered by law enforcement to be a high risk arrest because he had left the scene of the shooting without calling. Nine one one. He didn't understand that he told Stroller but complied with police orders and didn't try to resist or flee. He was put inside a police car and taken to the sheriff's Office to be interviewed. Done said he spoke to the two detectives who interviewed him freely as he had nothing to hide. He said he was cooperative. And wasn't trying to be evasive or disrespectful but that the officers were combative with him. He said he didn't know at the time that they had a warrant for his arrest. Assistant State's attorney. John Guy handled the examination as expected. It was the most lengthy cross examination during the trial. Prosecutor guys started by asking done why Rhonda was so shaken up in scared by Dunn's actions if he had acted out of self defense and she knew that Shirley she would have been calm and collected. He also questioned Dunn's testimony about how he said. He was trying to deescalate the situation by rolling down his window and asking if the boys were talking about him. The Truth Sir. When you roll down your window instead are you talking about me? You were challenging is seventeen year old bore. I don't believe so I put the inflection on me and the truth is he took your challenge. Didn't he said Yeah I'm talking to you. He didn't say that he said Yeah. I'm GONNA fucking kill. You answered it. You were being disrespected by mouthed teenager orangey now I was being threatened threatening to kill somebody is a disrespect. That is just crazy. Prosecutor Guide then focused on when they got back to the hotel. He has what they were waiting for in the elevator lounge after the shooting done said he was waiting for the Durango to come back. And retaliate prosecutor guy asks done how many times he told Rhonda that. The boys had a gun done said numerous times. According to Rhonda's testimony and deposition transcripts there was no mention anywhere that done had told her that Jordan had a gun but during his testimony done was firm. He had mentioned it several times to her. He said she probably forgot because she had gotten a lot of things wrong in her testimony including that he had called the boys. Music Thug Music. That's how What Ron Characterize? I don't recall saying you don't recall saying I hate that thug music night. If I were to set anything I would call a rap crap. Thug music is an internment so miserable. Got that long. I wasn't gonNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT BUT I don't recall saying that and that's not a term use okay. But she wasn't upset we over the Gate Station Right Employment Realizes Lon trauma afterwards and She could have imagined. You could imagine a gun anything's possible it's not likely like I said Between his threats and actions reinforcing what my eyes retelling during cross examination done also implied that Jordan may have actually shot at him. I something that prosecutor guy seemed to be incredulous about miss that he didn't shoot you right. He didn't shoot extra. You know If you listen to the video there is some kind of pop. I don't know if that was Him or somebody else but hold on. Are you telling this jury? That Jordan Davis is discharge. The firearm match you. I have no knowledge of let he dinner. Didn't do you know shotgun. Sounds like right? Sure sure it's not quite as no no. That's a boom. It's a distinct that's bone okay. So we would hurt his shotgun and the pop. I'm talking to you. It sounds a little weak. I'm not sure what the heck that is. But it's not a shotgun going no so you were not shot. Well I don't know I just telling you what I heard on the audio you guys will hear prosecutor guy asks done to think back to the moments before the shooting. When he said he heard Jordan threatened him he asked done if his window was up during this exchange done said yes. His windows had been rolled up but he could hear the boys over the loud music prosecutor. Guy Asked don again. How was he able to hear everything with his windows? Up and the music playing so loudly it was causing him. Physical Discomfort done admitted that he couldn't hear everything but that he could tell Jordan was irate also on direct done had testified that he yelled. You're not going to kill me. You son of a bitch before. He fired his gun. Prosecutor guy asked him about this. Have you're not going to kill me. You saw a badge a train right. And you're telling this jury didn't even raise your voice today and said that Moore A to myself. I mean I'm inside the car. Getting my My pistol so I'm not saying to him. I'm saying this is the thing that I'm saying loud. Okay did you say wow this I did and you don't think this got her. I hoping that you will be a shared. That's that's part of any sub defenses. You WanNA yellen kind like stunning attack. Gill you're not gonNA kill me some. He's still didn't mar thankfully. No prosecutor guy also asked done why he got out of his car and fired more shots at the Durango as it was fleeing if he was so afraid of being killed done said he got out and went behind the fleeing vehicle because he believed it made him less vulnerable to attack given that people don't normally drive forward and shoot backwards. Done then blamed tunnel vision on the fact that he was still pulling the trigger as the. Durango drove away. He said he believed he. Only shot three rounds but knows was actually six prosecutor guide corrected done and said he fired nine shots not six and definitely not three. Everybody in the car was a thug. Or GANGSTER RIGHT. After the way they behave yes. They did their way behave. Well the the one man in particular but his neighbor seem to have been in agreement right there with them. The Guy Artsy actually trying to visit Iran right. He was the reasonable driver. He didn't threaten you in any way urine. He did not prosecutor guy also questioned Dunn's actions after the shooting and why he decided to leave done said he thought it was best to leave the area for his safety. Why didn't he call the police? He felt scared and threatened gassed. Done said he knew it sounded crazy but he couldn't tell prosecutor guy what he was thinking. At the time he was in a panic he said dunst testimony marked the end of the defense's witnesses but there was one more piece of crucial testimony loved the prosecution called Rhonda. Roure DUNN'S FIANCEE. Back to the stand to answer a few more questions. Before the end of the trial their particular interest was with whether done had ever told her that Jordan had a gun. Did done ever tell Ronda that he saw a weapon in the Durango did done ever mention that. He had seen something like a stick. Poking out of the window here was her answer. There is no mention of a stack. No there's no mention of a shotgun. There is no mention of a barrel. No there's no mention of a lead pipe nickel back in the hotel rooms roure that same night the defendant ever tell you that. He saw the boys with the firearm know. Did he ever tell you that? He saw the boys with a weapon on the two hour. Drive back to provide the following morning. Did the defendant ever tell you that? He's all gun in. Suv New two hour. Drive that he ever tell you he saw weapon of any kind and that s you know after the closing arguments Judge Russell. Healey who presided over. The case spent an hour giving the jury their instructions and then sent them off to deliberate unfortunately fourteen. After thirty hours of deliberations the jury returned with their verdict. Michael Dunn was guilty on three counts of attempted murder but the jury could not come to an agreement on whether he was guilty of first degree murder for the killing of Jordan Davis. Ten Jurors believed done to be guilty of first degree murder charge. While to jers held out the shooting was justified. Judge Healey declared a mistrial on the murder charge. What of the jurors told. Abc News Nightline after the trial that to jurors had believed done to be justified in the shooting from the very beginning quote. That was the thing that those two folks believed he was frightened and there was no other option for him. In regards to Mr Davis a life was taken there is no longer a Jordan Davis and there was only one reason why that is. The boy was shot and killed for reasons. That should not have happened. Prosecutors announced immediately after the trial that they would retry Michael Dunn on the first degree murder charge prosecutor. Angela Corey said that because judge. Healey ruled mistrial. On the first degree charge they could really tried done solely on that single charge. She also dismissed questions from reporters about whether done may have been overcharged for his crimes. As his lawyer and other critics of the prosecution believed the state moved forward with done second trial on September. Twenty fifth two thousand fourteen after similar testimony but a new jury done was found guilty on the first degree murder charge and sentenced to life in prison without parole plus ninety extra years for the three attempted murder convictions. Done files an appeal to overturn his sentence. With the First District Court in Florida on the grounds that he had ineffective counsel and that his lawyer should have hired an audio expert to check the audio on surveillance tapes. That they said would have shown Jordan Davis firing a gun at done before the fatal shooting. The appeal was considered by a panel of three judges and was rejected on November seventeenth. Two Thousand Sixteen at the end of the first trial Jordan. Davis's families spoke with media and supporters to share their grief and their hope that justice would eventually be served for their sons murder. Ronald Davis Jordan's father described along of four hundred fifty day journey to the verdict and said he did not accept laws that allowed children to be collateral damage. He said Jordan was a good kid and he wanted the laws to protect Jordan. Lucy Macbeth Jordan's mother said she was grateful for some closure. She said she and her family prayed for done. Who would be spending his life behind bars? One way or another make bath. Who had been working as a flight attendant? At the time of her son's death used her grief to fight for change. After Jordan's death she joined moms demand action for gun cents in America a group that advocates for sensible gun laws in the wake of the two thousand Twelve Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. She also joined mothers of the movement. A group of African American women whose children have been killed by gun violence group. She was active in defeating Florida legislation. That would expand campus carry laws in the state then in two thousand eighteen lucy. Macbeth ran for the United States. Congress in her home district in Georgia thirty six district Congresswoman Karen Handel conceited Tuesday's election and congratulated the Democrat. Who beat her Lucy? Macbeth like She Weinberg's district well. It has been nearly eight years. Since Jordan's murder on the anniversary of his death. 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"It's Merriam Webster's word of the day for July thirty first. This episode of Word of the day is brought to you by I progressive by definition discount is reduction made from the gross amount or value of something with progressive drivers can earn discounts for things like enrolling rolling in automatic payments and going paperless visit progressive. Dot Com today to start. Your quote discounts not available in all states and situations today's. Days Word is import tune spelled I.. M. P. O. R. T. U.. N. E. Importuner is a verb that means to press or urge with with troublesome persistence an archaic sense it can mean to request or beg for urgently impotent can also mean to to annoy or to trouble. Here's the word used in a sentence from the Houston Chronicle for nearly forty years Houston. Jimmy Dunn Has Emperor Tuned Texas Access lawmakers to ban corporal punishment in Texas public schools to no avail. ENTREAT BESEECH AND IMPLORE BEG suggests earnestness or insistence especially in asking for a favor as in the children begged to stay up late in treats implies an effort to persuade or to overcome resistance as she entreated him to change his mind beseech implies implies great eagerness or anxiety as in. I beseech you to have mercy and implore adds to beseech a suggestion of greater urgency or anguished. Rushed appeal as in he implored her not to leave him but it is import tuned that best conveys irritating doggedness in trying to break down resistance assistance to a request and the accompanying annoyance as in the film makers were importunings viewers for contributions as it has since Middle English speaker adopted it from anglo-french with your word of the day I'm Peter Sokolski visit Marian Webster Dot com today for definitions wordplay wordplay and trending word look ups.

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Dominique Dunne

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Dominique Dunne

"Real quickly we are going to be at crime con- This year. S and we are going to have a booth for direct appeal and for women and Crime and that will be the weekend of May. I may third in Florida. Anyone who any of our listeners. Who would like to go would get ten percent discount if they use the coupon code? Direct twenty twenty so just putting it out there see at crime con. If you WANNA join US please come see us. This podcast may contain content. That is graphic and disturbing in nature listener. Discretion is advised. Today's episode is about a young hopeful and talented young woman whose life was cut far too short in a surprising act of violence by someone she had loved and trusted the trial of her killer that would follow and the ultimate outcome would shock the family of the victim and leave the public wondering if the criminal courtroom is really a place where justice can be found. This is episode nine the Dominique Don Story Hi Amy I million I and welcome to this episode of women and Crime so amy we'll ask. We'll start off. Do you know who Dominique Dennis. I know the name. I don't know the story. Okay have you heard of Dominic Dunn? Yes I have. I thought you were just saying the name wrong. Which wouldn't be surprising actually for us. So okay let's talk about Dominique Dunne. You're right there is a there's dominique and there's dominic. So I'll differentiate Dominique Dunne was born on November twenty third nineteen fifty-nine in Santa Monica California to Parents Ellen Beatrice Griffin who was a ranching heiress. Who goes by the name Lenny? She always went by Lenny and father to dominique was Dominic Dunn and he was an acclaimed writer and television producer. And she was also dominic was also the niece of a famous writer. Joan diddy in and she's yeah you know who she is yeah. I've read herself right. So Dominique comes from a very established well to do family obviously a very talented family as well in the industry of the Arts Dominique was the youngest of three children and she was the only girl her older brother Griffin Dunne is also an actor and I didn't know immediately or connect to it was but I looked him up and once you look him up you'll know exactly who is in. He's been in a ton of things the only thing. I remembered him most for him. He was the teacher in the show. The movie my girl and I'm not sure why remember that but I do anyway. So Griffin Dunne is still an actor to this day. She had another brother. Alex and Dominique studied acting and was very passionate about this career at a very young age and she was already successful by age twenty two. She had acting roles in the shows. Television shows so. I don't know if you remember chips. It was a it was a cop show. I don't remember it. Well I know the movie that Sheppard then movie call chips out. You know everything Dutch shepherd. I think he did a based on television series. Of course okay. So there was chips. Do you remember Hillstreet Blues? Okay how about fame? Nope fame the dancing. No the dance like the the. Oh my Harry. I'm younger than you Meghan. How that was like taking a bullet okay. So she had acting roles in all of these and other television shows but her big movie breakout. Role was in poltergeist. Released in Nineteen eighty-two wishy and poultry the kid no. She was the older sister. Oh okay there were three children and she was the eldest so she had her breakout role again. Poltergeist released in Nineteen eighty-two but unfortunately dominique would never get to see it. Let's talk about what happened to dominate. I'm sorry how old was she at this time at the time. Paul Trick At the time of whatever whereabout. I'm assuming her murderers right. So the Crime. We're going to talk about. We'll be the murder. Dominique Dunne and she was twenty two years old at the time of her murder so she was quite young and just just on the up just on the rise. Let's talk about the crime. Who murdered her? You know well as I mentioned before the crime was committed by someone. She loved and trusted. Dominique met John Sweeney at a party. In nineteen eighty-one Sweeney was a charming up. Comer also working as assistant chef to fame chef Wolfgang Puck at restaurant. Mommy's on and I don't pronounce that eloquently. I'm sure but he had come from as I looked up. Sweeney was from Pennsylvania and he was from a very blue collar family and he was looking to sort of breaking into the La scene and he was doing well for himself he was he was about the same age. I'm sorry he was a little bit older. So Dominic was twenty. Two and Sweeney was twenty seven. Oh time but still young and still In a in a great position at you know again famed restaurant working for Wolfgang puck anyway. They did not date long they met and they said it was like you know it was a chemistry immediately. But they didn't take long before moving in together into a one bedroom house in West Hollywood and I mean I think they're only did maybe six weeks or two months but it also wouldn't be long until they separated because John's possessive and abusive temper would quickly become apparent to dominique and others around her. Dominique reported that John would not let her go to rehearsals alone He wanted to go with her or anywhere alone for that fact. He accused her of lying constantly. He groped her on her whereabouts. He grilled her on her friendships. He reportedly would wake her up and keep her up talking about all these issues that he had with what she was doing it like three. Am when she had rehearsals the next day? She reported that he was isolating her. I mean all the things that she reported by the way are classic signs of abuse and but then there was act- the actual physical abuse that followed because these are you know this isn't the actual physical act that's happened yet so on one incident in Nineteen eighty-two during an argument John Grabbed Dominique by the hair tearing clumps of her hair from her head and terrified. Dominique fled their shared home to her mother's house. Her parents were divorced at the time. Lenny Dominic would divorce and so she led mother's house but sadly John came with flowers apologizing minimizing what happened. It was a y of the bell. Right totally fits the bill of classic abuse and so- Dominique would quickly forgive him and return home. I didn't see what her mother actually said about this. But of course everyone. In retrospect says they wish we knew how serious or I wish we knew how bad it was. Although her Mother did report the Dominique was clearly very frightened when she came to the home in a second incident about a month later and this was in late. September nineteen eighty-two John Grab Dominique by the throat and threw her to the floor where she claimed he tried to strangle her. But a friend actually interceded and likely saved Dominique's life at the time came in to him trying to choke her and Dominique called it. Quits with Sweeney right after this incident. Sweeney left the shared residence and done changed the locks. She was done with him but as we also know. Leaving an abuser is an extremely dangerous time for victims and sadly this would also prove to be very true for dominy so john has left the shared home. Dominique retains it on the night of October. Thirtieth nineteen eighty two just a few weeks after the Split. Dominique and a male cast mate. Were running lines in her home for her upcoming part in the series V. Have you ever heard of V? No that was also one of my favorite to see you know it was an eighties movie about people who it was like aliens at common. They look like humans but they were really reptiles so they would sound like the worst movie I could. It was a series and it was amazing. They still shielded skin off and there. There would be reptiles okay. It was like a phenomenon it was a thing it was a thing was only a couple of seasons but anyway she was rehearsing for the Series v. She had gotten a part and Sweeney showed up at the home demanding. That dominique come outside and speak to him now dominate didn't WANNA go. I mean she. She obviously knew at this point. It was going to be a hassle was going to be a fight but she also had no clue that stepping out onto her own. Driveway would seal her fate. So in an argument that ensued in the driveway. Sweeney became enraged and apparently he hit Dominique and after that he grabbed her by the neck and he choked her to death in her drive and the friend was thrown side or the castle yes and friend was inside and I'll tell you what happened with him. Estimates from the medical examiner are that it took between four to six minutes to strangle dominic to death. Think about how long that actually is. Because we're GONNA come back to that detail will come up again so. Keep that in mind inside. David Packer heard the commotion. And knowing how dangerous sweeney was he called the police and he also called a friend saying that if he was dead tomorrow it was John Sweeney that killed him cheese. He then exited the back of the House and came around to the to the front driveway where he saw John. Basically crouched over a lifeless dominique and John. Sweeney yelled for her friend. David Packard a call. The police which is interesting when the police came so he didn't try to attack. David I would have been. He did try to attack. David and I will tell you David I read some articles and will cite the sources later but I read articles that David took a lot of criticism. For why didn't he? Why wasn't he the one who burst out sooner and Save Dominique? I really don't think that's a fair criticism. Level at someone especially interceding relationships. One comes by and says let's talk outside you jump out of place. It's not your place. I mean. He called the police. He called someone. He went outside when he felt it was safe. So I don't think there should be any blame. Cast ON ON HIM. But okay when the police came. Sweeney quickly confessed. He said that he killed her. And he said something to the effect of allow. I really blew at this time. It went too far. I choked her and then he said about tried to kill myself right after with pills so he said that he basically killed Dominique and then right after he tried to swallow a bunch of pills to on. The scene on. The scene is what I said but he said that he went into the house at some point ran into the house to get pills. That part of his story could never be confirmed his behavior and support it. I don't know if they did toxicology but certainly they couldn't find any evidence that Sweeney took any pills. Dominique was quickly taken to the hospital where she remained on life support until her death on November fourth nineteen eighty two when her parents decided to move her from life support due to the lack of brain activity so she survived for five days. Just so people understand to Dominic Dunn. He wrote one of the sources. Here is a story that he wrote for Vanity Fair. He chronicled the trials of what happened. From the moment he found out his daughter had been strangled was in the hospital but he describes what it's like to see someone on life support what it was like to see his daughter. Oftentimes there's these images like someone was on life support. So they're laying in a hospital bed and it's it's fine. It's like acquaint picture you get. But let me just say in Dominique's case dominic describe seeing his daughter. Her hair was shaved off completely so that a large bolt could be screwed into the top of her head to relieve brain pressure. Her eyes were open and protruded staring straight up at the ceiling but lifeless bruises and swelling marked her neck at some times. Her body would jerk react in a jerky fashion to the life support and tubes were inserted and coming out of her basically everywhere so this is the last image that the done family would have of their daughter. Dominique so I just wanted people to understand that it is not such. It's not a pretty picture at all. I believe that her mother Lenny donated her organs. And maybe dominic was. I know she donated the organs actually believe kidneys and someone got her heart and that was the last act of her daughter. What would happen next would be the act of the parents following through with trying to see Justice Dominique. So what's going to happen now with John Sweeney? So John Sweeney was originally arrested for attempted murder because remember. Dominique survived for five days but when Dominique died the charges were obviously increased to murder. Detective Harold. Johnston would work the investigation and would become an ally to the done done family in many ways. John Sweeney had a public defender Michael Adelson who also had assistance. Though from Joseph Shapiro. He was a private attorney. Who represented Mommy's on the Restaurant and so. He worked for a large prestigious firm. And so I believe that the owner of the restaurant said that he was going to help Sweeney. He described as a young in courteous. Talented young chef. And you're going to cure the way this. This case was framed which is very different than I think. The the reality of it Stephen Barshop represented the state as the district attorney. He had a very good reputation but he would consistently be fighting uphill battles in this case and dominic describes him as someone who was a solid performer and they were glad but he wasn't very warm and fuzzy at first it took them a while to establish a good rapport. It took him a while to give the Dunn's his phone number so they were all easing into their roles. Here sadly around this time to just wanted this kind of a side note but right after Dominic Steph and episode of Hillstreet Blues. Would air and in this episode. Dominique played battered child so her mother had beat her and she was in the police station. But the sad part about this and what most of the world did not know at the time. Was that the bruises. All over dominance face and throat in the episode. We're not make up. They were real. They had come from an earlier attack. The one I described in which. Sweeney attacked her. Why wasn't sweeney arrested for domestic violence because Dominic didn't report it to the police? Which is not uncommon. We know of women who are abused as well but you would think someone on the set would be like. Hey you look pretty bad. We should probably purport. There was a lot of talk on the set of facts that you know dominate didn't need much makeup or you know and it was a very sad point for her parents because they didn't know at the time had only heard after and when they watched the episode they knew that those bruises were real and their daughter. So this was something that happened right. After that that revealed the pattern that was going on here back to Sweeney after many failed plea attempts and preliminary arguments the trial against Mr tweenies commenced in August of nineteen eighty three. So that's almost a year. After Dominique's death judge Burton cats a young judge who Dominic Dunn described as Stylish good-looking. And someone who knew it was he was good looking comfortable with an audience and almost flirty with the jury presided over the case. The defense would win a number of early victories in this case and although they did not win this one. Adelson who was the public defender requested that Lenny Dominique's mother not allowed at the trial because it would create too much sympathy for the victim. Lenny was in a wheelchair because she had multiple sclerosis and they tried to get her ousted from the courtroom thin. They weren't successful or no. They were not successful in that one but it would not be the first time. Just see another. It'd be a number of other times. Where the defense would try to get dominic and his family. The brothers removed from the courtroom they were actually warned. You'll hear so the interesting thing is the dynamic that'll be laid out to between the judge and the attorneys but the family. The done family was warned on a number of occasions. You know not to show emotion and not to. There are warnings in court. If you can't control your emotions but it seems that it was more directed at the done family actually okay. So he didn't win this one but they did win a couple others that would definitely impact the course of the case. So one of the major victories that definitely changed. I think that trajectory here was the exclusion of the testimony of a young woman named Lillian. Pierce she was John Sweeney's previous girlfriend and the judge allowed her to testify outside of the presence of the jury to see if her testimony would be admissible so she testified in front of the judge in in front of actually in front of the courtroom. Just not in front of the jury. I never heard of that happened often. It does happen in some cases. Yeah determined to miss ability so yes. Let's say. She was allowed to testify in the presence of the judge and the attorneys for sure with a direct and cross examinations. So what Lillian said was that John Sweeney had beaten her at least ten times. During their couple year relationship and in two separate incidents caused hospitalization for a punctured eardrum collapsed lung and a broken nose. She described regular violence against her and she described being terrified of the defendant is interesting during Barshefsky questioning. He's the district attorney of during brushes testimony of William Peers. John Sweeney the defendant jumped out of his seat and ran for the back door quickly. Subdued by a bailiff a sobbing Sweeney was addressed by a seemingly sympathetic judge Katz. Who actually said Mr Sweeney? We know what a strain you're under. An who accepted an apology from Sweeney. As if though he hadn't just tried to escape the courtroom my was it apparently too much for him to listen to what was he got upset by. The testimony is ex girlfriend. Who's saying he's a violent abuser. He GETS UP AND RUNS. Tries to run from the courtroom crazy and instead of I mean someone has held in contempt of court for that. Of course so what happens is they subdue him. His his lawyer was actually yelling. Don't hurt my client which is interesting and the judge is seemingly very sympathetic. Saying we're sorry. We know you understand. We know this is hard for you. That's crazy and so- Sweeney's we saw bing and the apologizes to the judge and the judge says it's okay. Don't worry about it. No big deal so okay Lillian. Pierce was obviously afraid. Everyone in the courtroom was actually shocked and and pretty scared. I think by what happened. So was her testimony admissible so the judge decided that her testimony would not be admissible. For what reason okay. So the judge says that her testimony would be more prejudicial than probative. And we hear this. What a pattern established as a pattern of behavior. We hear this. When when there are questions about a defendant's passed a lot of times. The past behavior is not relevant to the crime. So it's more prejudicial right it just makes them look bad I this is directly relevant to the pattern to the way in which he inflicted these crimes. There's also no question that he why didn't he just plead guilty? He admitted doing it while this go to try it so he was actually going to plead guilty There were a couple of times in which he considered pleading guilty pleading guilty and but he would plead guilty with the stipulation from his attorney that he would only serve seven and a half years and they wouldn't meet that so that's why he went because it's a short amount of time but I'm saying and the prosecutor and agree to it sounds. Cuter didn't so at one point. The duns were approached about a plea deal and then they were going to do it. Dominic Dunn reported that because of Lennie's health because she was seriously ill he considered a plea deal. He didn't want her to have to go through. This and that deal somehow fell apart. I'm not sure why then a second deal was offered by their attorney in which John Sweeney the defense it would John Sweeney would plead guilty but he would only serve seven and a half years and that the district attorney objected. That should've yeah. I agree that's that's not an appropriate deal but we'll see what happens. Okay okay. So so William Pierce testimony which would have been critical. It's out okay. Lenny would also testify in front of the judge but outside of the jury about an incident of violence in which Dominique fled John and her their shared home and came to her house and she came. Injured came terrified. It was the incident where he pulled her hair out And so many had information about what Dominique it said it. How she looked she describes her you curling up in a fetal position at a fear. She describes her being clearly terrified. And this is what Lenny observed so judge cats ruled that Lenny's testimony would also not be allowed because it was more prejudicial meekness deaf overarching question. What was the defense claiming? They clearly weren't claiming self defense. We'll get there. Oh because I sure can't understand what they're not claiming he didn't do anything okay. We're GONNA get there. Though by the way the judge also ruled that none of Dominique's friends could testify about the five weeks prior to her death about the incidents between her and Sweeney because of the hearsay rules. Who the hell was testifying in this trial. Well one of the people who testified was John. Sweeney okay the defendant. So Sweeney takes the stand in his defense acting sweet courteous and emotional crying but never with that outburst never violent seemingly very sympathetic character seemingly very remorseful character aiming that. It was a mistake so what he says is that he and Dominique had broken up. They plan to reconcile and they were going to work it out and when he came over that night she by the way that the plans to reconcile was not supported by anyone. This was completely supported. This is his story when he came over that night. Dominique told him that she had changed her mind and he said that he became so upset. And so this was just. I was so emotional and so upset. My reaction was to attack her but conveniently and amy. Stop if if you haven't heard this one before he couldn't remember the actual attack Dow all right which was several minutes of strangulation and he claims. He's remorseful I don't know what came over me okay. So his lawyer framed this always as a crime of passion and he always called it the tragedy that happened the tragic incident all round rather than a murder. Wow and that's how this was framed. And that was that provided the framework for the whole case. Okay well how is that cross examination of him that the defense do a good job of trying to tear apart his so the defense you mean the sorry the prosecution? Oh I'm so sorry. Yes the prosecution the prosecution. They referenced. you know did a fine job in but he stuck to the story and he never lost his temper. Okay which is so important. They couldn't bring up the past incidents. Don't you have a history of violence? None of that came into play so they worked with what they had and they. The prosecution did a good job. But also you're going to hear and as Dominic Dunn would describe it. The judge favored the defense. They really they had a previous relationship. The judge knew him. The judge did not favour barshop but also it seems as though the judge didn't actually like him now. I can't substantiate about not of course all right so let me tell you you know. Framed Sweeney testifies in the end when Barshop rested his case. So that was the prosecutor judge. Cats would deliver the most devastating decision regarding the charges. The jury could consider so judge. Cats precluded them from considering first degree murder and limited their consideration to second degree murder or manslaughter. Adelson argued and the judge agreed that there was no evidence of premeditation which I think was clearly a question for the jury. Yes that's the whole purpose of a jury and they're saying because he didn't show up with a weapon because his hands were the weapon that how big was he compared to dominic. Oh he was takes. Dominique Dominique was five foot. One and one hundred and ten pounds about your size smaller smaller. Yes and John was as I understand six foot and two hundred pounds so if you were doing like a self defense claim you know what I'm saying like if you need to consider sizes here in key clearly overpowers her well? That was the argument from the attorney to the argument from the Prosecutor and obviously the done family was. This guy's weapons have always been his hands. He's bigger guy and he used them he also as they understood it had a couple of drinks at Mommy's on and plan to go over and Confront Dominique. So I you know what I have to say though. I do think it's a stretch. I don't think the evidence necessarily supports premeditation. I think he's Shit. Had this guy and he evidence might not. I think the evidence would have shown that he I mean we talk about a little bit that he was planning to go over and so of course the defense would say he was just planning's go over and talk to her and of course. The prosecution said he was planning to go over. He was enraged. She wouldn't take his calls anymore and he was going to confront her. If she wasn't going to take him back he was going to kill her. Yeah so either way the jury should a jury should have been able to decide but they also by the way the defense also a couple times painted dominique as they tried to dirty the victims. So they talked about a couple times went out and had too much to drink kind of dissatisfied with any has nothing to do with any they allow that they allowed that in up so and it really upset obviously it upset Dominic Dunn obviously upset his family so during one of the brakes Dominic Dunn called Adelson piece of Shit his face and it's great for which Adelson tried to get him thrown out of court but the judge wasn't going to the judge said one thing he wasn't going to throw the victim's father out and especially in one of the last days of trial barshop warned not to do it again but the trial was soon over in the decision handed to the jury so it became a non actually dominic. Did you'll hear he did yell again. He had an outburst at someone else after the evidence is presented and none of the medical evidence is refuted you know. They had established that John. Sweeney Killed Dominique Dunne. He strangled her for four to six minutes. That's what happened. That's not in dispute. It's what level of premeditation or not was it. What level of murderer okay? The jury went out for eight days. Which is a long time. It's good though people. I'm sorry if you don't know this. But what is the difference? This is in California right. Yes what is the difference between Murder murder to and manslaughter. Because I know some states the difference between the two is very slight it is slight and some states so I know that also when we teach it to like a second degree murder means that you did intend to harm the person you just GonNa take exactly. Manslaughter fits that. It does too. But it's an emotional response in which murder wasn't the intended consequence so I think it's you know what I mean. It's it's a reckless act. It's wondering what the how the punishment differ the antenna to the punishment is. There's a big difference in the abundance and the intent is really you know what the what the issue isn't differentiating. But yeah there's a huge punishment gap between okay so the jury was out for eight days. They asked for clarification on jury instructions several times. It was clear that they were confused. And I guess the judge kept telling them to for refer back to the instructions in. I'm not clear about what the issue was but I think they were definitely confused however when they came back on September twenty. First nineteen eighty-three they found. Sweeney guilty of manslaughter for Dominique's death and misdemeanor assault for the earlier choking incident the maximum sentence for the two charges six and a half years and with parole sweeney could be out in less than three. Wow that's crazy. Wow is right so. Emily is highly outraged. Yeah let's get to the aftermath here. After the jury gave their verdict Judge Katz. Thank them for their service. Pronouncing justice served to which Dominic Dunn shouted at Him. Not For our family and clearly shocked. Judge Katz told done he would have his chance to speak at Sweeney sentencing on November seventh. The press however was very critical of judge. Cats afterward. Yeah I think this is. This is when we like to see the press. Hold people accountable so they questioned whether this was justice or a legal loophole and judge. Katz was put on a list of the worst judges in Los Angeles. I thought it was awesome to the day of Sweeney. Sentencing protesters took to the streets outside the courthouse. Protesting the verdict and the judge. So Judd cats heard statements from everyone and pronounced the maximum sentence. Which was you know six? And a half years blaming the jury for finding Sweeney guilty of a lesser crime than he deserved so the judge blames them. We'll get to that in a minute. Judge Katz asked to see the Duns in his chambers as well after sentencing Dominic reported that he was very curious what was going to happen so Dominic Dunn reports. That cats was very sweet to them. Both telling them that he was shocked about the verdict in disappointed by a verdict that he had clearly helped shape. Yeah from the outset. The verdicts might have turned out a lot differently. Had Judge Cats not made some of these crucial decisions his apologies and he dominic Dunn said he judge. Cats gave them his phone number. Said if you ever need anything and I think Dominic Dunn said like what the Hell would I ever call him for it? Meant nothing to the duns and of course judge cats would quickly be transferred to a family court following. This trial could yeah. I think that was good as well. The done family did not get justice that they felt of course but they did do all they could to fight for their daughter and as they reported Dominic Dunn reported talking to one of from an organization like the parents of children who said to them. This is the last piece of business you'll do for your daughter. You have to go to trial every day and you have to make sure you do everything this is. The last thing you're going to do. Lenny became active in the organization. The parents of murdered children and she founded her own organization as well while Dominic Dunn would go on to become a famed crime writer focusing on high profile cases involving he wasn't a crime writer prior to this he wasn't no he really didn't write about crime until he wrote about his daughter's case and that was the first thing he he wrote about and then he would go on to Work ON SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE CASES. He does true crime yes so he would work on. He focused the rest of his career or most of the rest of his career on high profile cases involving celebrity criminal defendants in which there was maybe going to be a case of injustice. Would someone get away with murder? So done became a regular he was actually offered a seat at the O. J. Simpson Trial and he befriended the Goldman family's AH commentator to was he he had a show power and I forget the show power injustice or you know something he he. He had a television show when he was a writer and yes he was a commentator to some degree so he befriended the Goldman family and he also was the person who urged Mark Furman from the OJ trial. You know disgraced cop still a good detective is Dominic Dunn would say. He urged him later to reinvestigate the Martha Moxley murder So Mark Furman. Did that investigated it and wrote the book and was kind of integral and that was really at the behest of Dominic Dunn And Dominic Don would also sit in and write on other famous cases so he worked on the Menendez Brothers case and he worked on the close bulow case and a couple of other high profile cases. That's what he would spend the rest of his career doing so what happened to John. Sweeney John Sweeney would be released after three and a half years and returned to a position as a chef in Santa Monica in in like a high profile restaurant but Dominic Dunn wasn't having it. I believe that it went something like this. He quickly got his himself in supporters over to the restaurant passing out fliers letting the customers that their meal would be prepared by the man who murdered his daughter. Yeah so the position. For Sweeney would be short-lived Sweeney would eventually leave California and changed his name. Don would follow him for several years. He had an investigator and I believe even after Sweeney changed his name he got engaged again to marry someone and they believe the father of that woman contacted. Dominic Dunn asking. Is this the same person and I think? So you know maybe even Dominic Dunn was you never know. Maybe he could have prevented another tragedy by by following him Kim tabs on him he had a private investigator who followed Sweeney for some time but eventually he. He said that he had to let it go. He had hoped that something bad would happen. To Sweeney before he died and that would be the end of that story so dominic did let it go eventually but obviously it's scarred their family tremendous where sweeney is today or what his what he's doing now. I I don't I did look you know. He moved. He was smart of him. Change Your name move. Oh I change your name and move and at some point I think sweeney claim that Dominic Dunn was harassing him. Which you know. I don't know to. What degree Dominic Dunn was following him or doing anything but the claims never went anywhere so I don't know what happened to Sweeney. I believe he changes. He changed his name as I understand it to John. Moro Okay N had relocated far from California. So who knows if he has a family and maybe he reformed his life. I have no idea maybe among us and we don't even know it's possible it's also interesting that this crime for which he paid very little did not pay much of a debt to society had a real impact on the done family in the way they would go onto impact other cases. Dominic Dunn would become one of the best advocates for celebrity injustice. So at the end. Let's talk a little bit about our opinions because I have a few on this. Do you want me to go first or would you like to go first? Amy I mean I could just tell you that I. I'm assuming you feel the same way. He there was not justice. In this case I think it was a little sexism. You know the way. They were trying to devalue Dominique's life and like you said there's probably some politics at play right because they had the judge had a relationship with his attorney and he. Yeah it's it's really shocking to me that they did not include the testimony of the former girlfriend and the mother that is directly relevant to the case. I could almost see the argument for why they didn't or why the judge wouldn't have allowed Lenny's testimony. It was reporting an incident that Dominique told here say possible. Yes and he also said it was prejudicial I still think it should have been allowed but Lillian years major major mistake. And we've talked about this. We talked about indirect appeal all the time. How one decision. Judicial discretion has the has the potential to change the course of the case had that come in. I think we'd be looking at very different decision. I think regardless I would have to agree with you. It was probably not first degree murder however the judge should have at least let the jury is set to agree with that but I do think it should have been secondary not manslaughter. Second degree murder for sure. And so what happened? I think I told you is that the judge blamed the jury and then the jury blamed the judge saying well. You know we didn't hear about X Y AND Z. And we didn't see this. The Judge Limited our decision making and they also said that the jury instructions were very confusing. And they ask for clarification but did not get it so I think that's we should have gotten second degree murder. That would've been justice. I think I mean it still would never be enough for the family but what would inappropriate sentence. I I really sat and thought about this. What's the right sentence for someone? Who does something like this and for me? The magic number probably would have been somewhere around twenty years. I don't know I'm putting you on the spot I know but now I think maybe there's gotta be a number. I think the crime so now. There's no like you said there was no number. That could bring her back right so family. I think if something is not premeditated I think we have a problem in our country. With over incarceration. If you're going to give people twenty years for something that was not premeditated. Then what are you gonNa give someone for premeditation right so to me? I think we need to back up all sentences so I think maybe ten years with the possibility you know. I'M SAYING POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE AT ten years. I think that would have been so. I wonder if you change your mind. If you were sitting in the court for the demonstration where the Barshop. He opened his opening statements. Very powerful said this man strangled her for four to six minutes. We're going to sit here. Wait I want us to sit? They sat in silence for four to six minutes. That's a really good strategy. And it was Dominic Dunn described it as being the most horrifying point you realize how long it was and how it wasn't quick had to sit there for a very long time so I could even make an argument that there's a difference between a quick motion of a gun or a stab four to six minutes of choking the life out of someone and time for you to change your mind and that's the argument. It's a lot of time to change your mind. And that's why I went with a higher sentence as well because you could. He could have backed off at I. Yeah taking that into account. I think that's a valid point. Okay well I was just hoping. Amy would agree with me at some point so regardless if he definitely justice. Who's not serve? Justice was not served. And we hope that you know we hope by highlighting some of these issues. We bring attention to points in the system. That should be reformed or where? There's a potential for reform. So anyway thank you so much for listening. Today this was the Dominique Dunne Story and will catch you all next time on women and crying women in crime is written and hosted by Megan sacks and Amy Schlossberg our producer and editor is James Varga. Our music is composed by desert media. If you enjoy the show even get access to add free episodes exclusive. 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"We'll take a picture that day. You're listening to the this is a BI coastal American history. PODCAST each week. I David Anthony read the story from American Irish history to my friend Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about and nemesis. We're not enemies last Enemies is not the same thing as well. No we're not you are mine. No you're my you think where you think we're friends while I know you're my nemesis hampers. The friendship a great deal for me. I really think about how it is for me. It sounds like it's the crazy just fucking date. I agree with you. Yeah seventeen ninety two illegitimate baby. We go it's Ireland. That's that's half illegitimate baby. Adult Cook was born to Robert Cook. An unnamed servant on the vast asked cooks borough estate near Melander in Ireland melander. Let's say it wrong. I can understand what the fuck you're saying. You all do it if you can all do it with a half second delay that helps everyone said at the same time but not Robert and his wife Lady Martha Saunders already had two children but but when Lady Martha learned of a Dolphin she left Robert Okay Yeah you wouldn't think that would happen. No yeah that's Ed. I like that move finally. La Little role reversal. I'm sure that's that's great. Divorce was illegal then I believe right so she just walked away. Yeah so she just illegal yet. Divorce worse okay. I know you guys get behind on that kind of stuff a little bit and she left a dolphin with no. She left her Robert. Ah Robert Okay all right different. Not as exciting for me. Sorry so Roberts. Ashamed the anthonys distraught new he sends his mistress away and he gave it office to a local nurse named Mary. Kelly okay. We're direst Irish name. The Mon- doesn't get the baby to a a nurse. Yeah yeah sure just how things worked. Yup Mary Office lived in a two room. Thatched cottage inch near what is known as the nurses pond on the state so that was hers. Yes yeah okay. They were forbidden from coming near the estates. Big House of CA okay. So they've got. He's got his illegitimate son with a nurse near near upon just living wait. We've been on the okay that what is there on. What a stay? The cooks boroughs day. Okay and he big biggest instinct okay. And he and the father is forbidden from going to the mainstay of the kid to the main house. Okay they just king maybe go to her pond. They get to stay in it. That's well it's hers. fucking Robert had food and supplies sent to Mary. Ann Dolphins every day. Sure they never got more than one day's supply at a time. Is the story of Blue Apron. Yeah we don't need to do it do mine. But that keeps them on edge right. They don't know everyday every day. When you're like Oh God just another? I knew he shouldn't have had dinner one potato again. That's a stereotype. We have about you guys. That's true. That's so great. What a turnaround we've had with Ireland? You know we've really gone through some bumps of this country right. Dave remember when we had to retire the accents because some guy found it racist and here we are making potato jokes. It's just what a world the world okay. So every day they were looking at the window to see if they were gonna get bread and Jam. That's right each item had to be accounted for. The potatoes were weighed. The salt was measured. The sods of turf firework counted. So the potato. The thing is not a root stereotype. They are literally day potatoes. Tomatoes and salt potato thing. Yeah it's a big potatoes. went away at some point. Wait and I've heard of it in English. took all the food they were. Cool still are yeah Once a year Mary was allowed to go to melander. I don't care I'm gonNA say different ways every time to buy adult clothes and shoes shoes and charged the bill to Robert. Okay once a year you get new clothes and shoes so this kiss. She's just taking this as this is she. Now is just GonNa fulltime race okay and and you know he gets he gets. He's it's an awesome life each day. You get food and then once you get wait salt and a potato and then once a year because kids grow very very very slowly so once a year you're able to guess what kind of spur this year's going to be like you know what I would you know what I didn't say anything. I haven't seen anything. I would not do that. Racist Dolphins was sent to school school in England and his teens. He joined the army during the wars. He was stationed in Spain Portugal and South Africa. Okay He was described by his peers as quote a polished gentleman highly cultured and well read standard literature ancient and modern. His library contained nine thousand books and amongst them. He had not a single copy of the Bible. Okay guys. That's a really important book. First and foremost second of all no way. You read nine thousand. Come on. I mean that's like that they didn't have TV. Yeah you'd have a phone. Oh they didn't have fun though. No iphones is the ice phone. I thought this was no oh interesting. I thought it didn't come along until the eighteen hundreds. Okay I thought we were OK late. Eighteen okay when asked by a reverend. Why didn't have a Bible quote vote? He told me he told them that he would rather read the Cran than holy writ and that he preferred Muhammed to savior of the world. And from that answer reverend concluded that he was an infidel. Like the Reverend's probably just like what am I. Don't you have a Bible and he's like because I'd rather read the Koran. This went wrong so much blood. Just Caillebotte me. It's Shitty but it's an Irish accent in eighteen thirty five. Robert died at the age of eighty. Five okay he's the two legitimate sons had already died long before we got is the one so Robert Cooks entire inheritance and estate was left to his illegitimate intimate son. Dolphins Cook this sounds like the beginning of like a comedy. Show like intro and here. We are unpolished dolphins with all all this money. The cooks Bro. Mansion and farms totalled about seven hundred acres the rest of the property Four thousand acres was lent out to tenants. It's I love a landlord. Yeah dolphins quickly gained a reputation as a generous landlord. He provided tenants furnishings. Pensions funeral expenses and blankets gets uses blankets. That's very nice also also besides funeral. How about a blanket? That's very nice which you like a blanket. After I paid your dad husband had gone to ground blankie. I would love a blanket. Yes I would love to blink. Your husband's dude. I don't actually actually needed. I thought you were saying and I was kind of placating you so if you're going to be an asshole I don't need the blanket funeral. In what way saying I pay for funeral the blanket blanket. Oh it's so warm and it soon became clear that a office office was not a typical Irishman. Whatever that means English he's ran himself with strange men and gave them positions of power namely to fat strange men named Billie Dunn and Tom Cruise? I like I knew it was built in sip moment. Okay so fat. Tom Cruise dynamite dynamite. Yup and what's the other guy's name Billie Dunn Billy done all right so we got a maverick gotta use. Let's do it. Billy got done was described as quote quote tall rob boned man at the dry. I'm sorry around Rob Own Robin as opposed to cook bone and I have an answer. Okay okay look. It's a quote I didn't just whoever said raw-boned someone should unlike as opposed to About fifty years of age he was flat footed and the juveniles of monger to annoy him which shout after to him that they would spin on his toe which often caused him to form and rage like a maniac. That's just encouraging that abuse. That's yeah that's why they they do so you'd say you're going to spit on his shoe and get rabbit. Yeah okay that's perfect all right. What about Tom Cruise Long? We're not there yet. We're still going through billy. Billy spent a lot of time drilling pulling imaginary troops and playing policemen and billy get US fifty. Yes so billy still plays well. Is it playing. If you're you know it's pretty serious if you're in charge of some troops but it is not a charge of troops is in what way we're not real but that's the problem right there. That's where I'm GONNA flag it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So he's just in the yard just like shouting at fake troops day. Well he's running into the you know sure he was very that was not good enough jumper Gabbay better about charging ahead. No that's right. I want you to stick around private. I'd like to talk to him. Always is found something special about you as a dolphins is from the window. Like what is he's kissing. The grass was shut it. Let's give into temptation visit raw bone. Finally it was very fond of the police and they in turn very kind to him sometimes on race days and fair days billy would tire himself in a cast first off suit of clothes with a straw rope around his waist. So is this man really fifty eight problem from which he's like you guys are so good. Thank you a little. You're fifty. I pretended to be your today right. That's fucking insane With the straw run his ways waist which dependent around stick which he called his band net. That's equipped he would start through the the streets of monger to to the race. No No to the race course giving word to halt a quick march right about face as if he were in command of a force of the Rico followed by a troop of urgence and others to their ineffable delight and adults. This was like I need this guy on my team. This is like well this guy. Clearly he ever gets troops. Look out this guy's ready to go there's an actual actual army Mike. God you see when you see a guy who knows how to be a leader with a stick is telling men to about face that don't exist. Tom Cruise was also strange. Range believed in Seton. I thought we were going this way quote. He was of a sullen disposition. Lazy Slovenly and dirty on a fine summers day he would lie asleep on. The flags asks for hours oblivious of passing events. These are the two guys he hired. Yeah whether only two guys yes. Tom was obsessed with sports ruled his life. He travelled very far to go at any and all sporting fixtures he collected subscriptions of the events and ask the local priests to announce them them at Sunday. Mass and these are grownups. You're sure you've got the ages right. He would even interrupt sermons and okay quote father. You're forgetting to tell them about the sports at long field will tell them I I. This is about the Lord. Get to the score. I will do it at the end. I told you that Tom Cruise the fat Tom Cruise Billy and Tom were inseparable and traveled from town to town. Because who else could they hang out with. They only had each other. It seems like they'd be a lot of fun When they grew tired of urban life they would go to resorts in the countryside? Despite their friendship people saw them frequently fighting with each other crow quote Cros was a braggart record and he frequently declared that he would thrash billy and leave surgeons work on these threats of course would be uttered behind. Billy's back cruise was was a coward but done was brave and other pugnacious temperament done was done was informed of Tom's threats result was that he challenged him to mortal Oh combat. This is too many references here to just okay so Tom Cruise and billy done and we're gonNA play mortal combat. They're going to have a duel. Okay Oh a dual a real duel. Okay they menace now. They're using obviously like twigs. They met in a secluded valley with their supporters. And before What they're going to fight actually sorry? Okay let's they could do it like dual paces. Yep that's just yeah exactly for the fight started. Tom told his second that if he was getting beat up to draw him which meant to end it. Okay like throw in tall right sure. Yeah right far and away. Real documentary show fight started and billy elite punched in the nose and blood poured out driving. Tom Yelled quote. Draw me let me know if you need help Tom Trot me. I'm ready to jump in a second. Did nothing sense it. Dom tried to defend himself from From the bunches billy through through and kept yelling quote drama. For God's sake kill me say the secret word shopping. Everyone just laughed. Tom said quote to the hell with the holy draw myself and he walked off. Why did he need the other guy? I don't know your second guy. You're not quitting your guys doing it for you when you went back to hold me back right. L. May back and someone's like no and you're like you better go me back. I do not WanNa fight those guy so these guys are now helping. Dolphins manages property right. Okay so the competent infrastructure to stand offices. Good graces billy. Tom And all the estate tenants had to follow rigid rules where they be evicted. He was a disciplinary Yeti. Let this one guy like command a fake army in his yard nothing wrong with that okay. In eighteen fifty seven the fifty-six regimen of Ireland was stationed near Malone are. How is that closer adult? You're wrong you're horribly wrong. Adults learned An Englishman named Captain Cook was stationed there. So he invited. Captain Cook come over visit. Is it because they had the same last name so simple time just like a simple time when I learnt at meal yeah. I follow other day Anthony's on twitter. Yeah and in real life. The captain accent sent accepted the invitation and they became fast friends on a wet day. They were getting ready to holiday on a day Irish Day. They're getting ready to hunt when Captain Cook said because of the weather he thought they'd have a bad hunt. Dolphins disagreed so they made a bet. Bet Elvis was claiming they wouldn't be able to carry everything they're going to shoot issued so many animal issue would be transporting the animals after a few hours. They had not shot many animals and Captain Cook asked for his money and adult said the day wasn't over till they got out of the woods. It's as they pass. Some of his tenants farms office saw one of the farmers had a pig weighing about sixteen stone so he shot it Jesus Christ and then he said he won the bet quote. You will not be able to carry the big in your bag to Mullen Mullen Gerd. What about the farmer was he like? Hey asshole I'm sure he was not happy. Yeah you shot my a fucking pig but thank you so much for your pig. Sacrifice means the world to me but he did win. I mean he did. It is hunting the rules. Yeah there are rules okay. No that's Donald trump junior hans different at this time at this time eighty nine percent percentage of Irish was Ireland's Catholic. Believe that it was rare for someone not to have religious beliefs and when a man told a dolphin about the savior and going to heaven. Adolf's became furious at the man for introducing such a subject. That office had a completely different belief. Sure he believed in the transmigration of souls and that after death he would be changed into a Fox so he believes in reincarnation but he's Pacific leave thought he would come back as a Fox. That's right it's not getting away away from my issue with religion the specificity but us out crazy. There's not abandoned the clouds. I'll be Fox when I die. What a blanket? I mean you know all made up. Yeah I hope he comes back as a pig you you know which one to you But he did not think being a Fox would be great life. Wait so he has this prediction but he's but I'm not looking forward to it. Yeah Trust me. It's not on it's cracked up to me. It was gonna be a pain in the ASS. That's right because he would be haunted by dogs and his as wealthy neighbors. I mean you've heard it a million times. I'll come back as a Fox. They're gonNA hunt me. My neighbors will try to kill me. I'm just not excited for us. the only thing that made him feel better about this was that he knew the land well and would quote. He thinks he's going to be a Fox. They're yeah right right in the area and then he knows the land so it'd be a high out because you know you come back with your knowledge of who you are. You're like oh I'm still the dolphins. I'm just a Fox. I think the Catholics are more right. which is saying something you don't hear that often yeah? Yeah move on his belief in the transmigration. Man's migration of souls affected his interactions with animals on his estate and in the nearby woodlands. Adulterous firmly believed that a local Turkey was his late father. That Turkey's laughing all the way to the bank by the way you know I remember that very clearly. It's more. Ah Meet unbelievable. I remember that. So He's such Goi Daddy. Daddy Daddy why was I the only one that you didn't want in the main house I know I know I know I know and when I know and that was hard for you but it was hard for me to you know you made the tough decision but I also I had to figure my own way out. Yeah I know I know I. I'm there to help stop but we're GONNA work through this if we're GONNA be normal. Look I'm not going to be. Dolphins Bradford soon. I'm going to be box and I don't know I mean I hope we can still be unlikely friends then all right. Well moms what Dan. I love you to hear that. O They don't want to Dad Dad. Dad Dad has some more brandy. I know you like that Ligo can asleep in here again. Pop I forgive you. Forgive you pop. I for Q.. V. Forgive Me Papa. I'm so happy about the way the afterlife worked out the super convenient okay. I go believe it or not. I can't really tell a lot of people about this. They think I'm cuckoo. ooh Daddy Yeah. I guess I'll stay. That just came back in is like what happened to this podcast. His father's Turkey don't leave. He demanded that the Turkey be treated with the utmost respect. This Turkey the best. This is what if your Turkey. You just hit the lottery. Yeah he demanded his servants tip their hats and bow and every ever the Turkey hawks by loser. Good Day thank you other. He made sure that Turkey was wealth at and taking care of would not be killed for food and he could only die of old age Turkey. The best dolphins also had a dog that everyone on the estate loved his name. His name was gusty. Gusty Gusty Dog When a dolphins was in a good mood he would address the dog up like quote gustavus? Adolphus the hero of Sweden. Nice Crossover Crossover. But Gusty did one thing that upset office hated when he put outfits on him. Gusty would often wander around the fourth as and four thousand Acre estate and quote. He made the acquaintance of other dogs not as highly bread or cultured. Shoot himself. So there's even canine classism. Yeah don't associate with those other dogs this. My father's watching coaching this greatly incense Adolf's he was severely reprimanded by dolphins for his wandering habits that he the dog doc was reprimanded by okay. Share just wanted to get some clarity and his love of low company And he would order gusts to be placed in solitary confinement for three days and placed on short rations for mingling with the lower breeds. This took a dirctor also fun for a minute. Other than that got gusty was treated pretty fantastic. Yeah other other than solitary all right. Put Him in the hall. It keeps talking to those other dogs but After being in solitary confinement many times came to the conclusion that gusty was a hardened criminal and was not going to change his behavior. PODCAST Brian. Thank you. I'm a little worried about his lentil state Goo Augusta's Adolfo. Sorry Not Gusty not guys how you meant gusty. Because he's been solitary confinement. Well yes I'm worried about gusty but a dolphin seems to be Crazy no he's just he's animals different way than you and I in a bad way. Well I wouldn't say that okay mic. Backup Yeah so obviously. Tale was not having an effect on Gusty. Jesus Christ were still sticking with this. A Dolphin gave him one more chance to change his lifestyle. What's the Dave? He's not gonNA dog he won't do it and then in front of his employees Dulles Toll Gusty if he hung out with the lower breeds again again he would quote expiate his offense like other mortal criminal criminals on the gallows and he was shown the rope which was to hang him and from the tree from which he was to be strangled. and the dog was like you see. That's your fate okay. They ended up fuck around anymore gusty. For some reason the threat of capital punishment did not alter gusty these behavior. Did you think anything to do with him. Being a dog doc. I think he's not I think he's a bad listener. Yeah you're right. I think what happened was he was talking to those other dogs and they were like obviously corrupted him. Yeah yeah so so gusty kept mingling with the lower breeds on the estate gallows. What is he doing so a dolphins called for trial? All right. That's IT Africa. Trial all right. My father will be representing. You guessed he. He's one of the best Turkey lawyers we have on the property. That's right he's one of the best. ooh I will be the prosecuting attorney and the judge is obviously this turtle why I put those little glasses on him. Looks Really Wise. The turtle unless dog refer here is a a pigeon. I'm screaming remake mission. That's right and a jury of your peers. Made up at squirrels. Snakes that plants from the house a teapot that glove some shoes and a bucket of water. Hey Bob Way. The Journal Cable so adult as quickly organized a trial for ten o'clock in the morning and and if you're approached about taking part in this case how do you say yes or you have to say yes okay. Our you know it's terrifying but you gotta you gotTa know. I'll go to absolutely trial Crawford. Trial crime well. He keeps talking to lower class dogs. It could see your in your face. You understand the problem it's disgusting. Here's the crazy part. I showed him I was going to kill him still doesn't Doug won't listen my mother. Some cabbage manages that interesting. Yeah I'm going to be Fox right around here. So every employee was required to be there. I I mean if you work for him you've got to be like this is kind of a gravy train but also this could turn sour real quick on us. How long until he's like? I know you're dating the kettle title Bitch. Once everyone arrived. Dolphin spoke quote. Well we know why we're here. Gusty was duly arraigned and charged with quitting the precincts of cooks borough dementia with without leave and associating with dogs of an inferior order Tom Cruise and Billy Don were chosen to be special advisers advisors shoe and helping helping the jurors to who they're really are jurors going to pick a jury Tom. Tom and billy pick the jury. The two workers who brought gusty into the hall had to give evidence and detailed testimonies of how gusty had been arrested they explained how gusty had resisted arrest if if he had succumbed to arrest. That would be weird. He thought they were having chase around. Plato dog they're like come on acquitted. What's he doing running away? When arguments finished the jurors went into another room and deliberated for two hours? I'll tell you what they talked about. The fuck is going on is this is this. This is insane right. Do we have to go out there and give a verdict on the dog and I think we have to find the dog guilty. He's crazy the gave their verdict guilty by misbehavior. Well they hoped the verdict would satisfy dolphins. See that's what they're doing. They're placating the madman. Marion to our president keep a office then solemnly spoke. Didn't WanNa hear this quote. He quote laid much stress on the heinousness of the crime for which gusty was convicted. How old is he his ingratitude to a good master who fed head nurtured him with tender solitude since he was a puppy? My God is he gonNa Hang. This dog. Gusty was to be taken to the place of execution home and hanged by the neck until dead after he would be buried under the tree where he was hanged. A Dolphin drafted a tombstone epitaph for gusty. I hope this dog comes back as an assassin on the property. Here's the epitaph executed executed for high crimes and Misdemeanors Gusty once a favourite center. Dog of a Cook esquire cooks borough and it is earnestly. We hoped that his sad fate will be a warning to other dogs locked ending. That's not how dogs work. Well I would talk to you but you remember the people vs this gusty dog trial of the century no way he now needed an executioner. Commissioner who is taking. I guarantee you. It's going to be billy done or that stupid Tom Cruise. He gathered some of his workers offers and ask them if any would hang his dog. Please no no one was interested. Okay good yes. They're all. Hang your dog perfect so he fired them all for their disobedience. Does he have a business of any kind. He's just like living billy Madison right now. I guess like an Evil Billy Madison property. It's not he just has so much time on his hands. That not only can you have a dog trial. He could fire all his servants for not killing the dog. Yeah I mean he's a rich guy a nearby bye bye. Worker heard what was going on in Russia over and announced that he would hang gusty. I got this. The worker was known on as the bug. Me The the bug me the bug the bug me. I don't know aw that's all. There was no explanation for the name. He was called the bug me. Well I don't know anything about it but it does sound like the kind of person who would be okay with hanging a dog. He said quote I will. I'd hang me father and Judy and the children obliged your honor. Aw is that the guy you want on your side Sheila's family. Hopefully it's not great all the buggies the whole kind of bug meas La Walkman boy park park may me also time to get out of their family. I mean you know if you're the family like sorry the bug me I mean honey. What did you say I said I'd hang you and the kids if The boss wanted me to well. He's hanging a dog so it doesn't seem like a crazy thing. UNHEEDED HAS CUE to deal. Yeah okay well we will be home when you get back back. That's a promise. Ah You're proven you know. Go hang that dog not the first dog of Oh cool I used to be the dog. Hager of Dublin Paul. I love learning about you so I thought this was great. Yeah that employees would hang dog quote you you are a good and faithful retainer of mine here is five pounds for you and I shall not forget you in my last will and testament when the dread sentences carried out. Let me know as Mr Cruz. Mister Dunne myself inspect the dead body of the criminal dude. This this is tough. The bug me was told to hang gusty the next morning on one of the seven lime trees that were a quarter of a mile away from the main residents accidents at the execution time. The bug me put a noose around gusty snack and walked him off to the lime trees which is terrible because for guest Zizou walk like it's walk. Yeah he thinks it's a leash yeah. Dolphins crews didn't Dennis father step in at any point. Be like this is crazy. I Know Dad but heap heated this. He associated with other dogs. I understand on that but I am the man of the matter now and I'm not listening to you. Stop it no more objections. I'm not above hanging you either father. I love you you so much and I respect your decision to abandon me which obviously has taken no mental whatsoever. You're now if you'll excuse me I have two dogs. We're talking to others. I'll be with the bug man. The bug me Adolf's crews and Don waited and after ten minutes. The bug me came back with gusty. Still Alive yes. Yes our cheering for the criminal. Let's let's pump the brakes. I Dunno out of the woods yet adult. He told take the crime. Adult was furious. That gusty had not been hanged quote. What is the meaning of all this? Explain yourself why does not carry out the sentence pronounced and the bug me. said he took gusty to the lime trees slash Gallo to be executed. But someone was there to stop. I can't wait. What who you adulteresses dad the Turkey? If you had told me that line before the show your crazy so pop Turkey did step in Adolf's was shocked. What quote what El- other say? Tell me quick what action my father. The Turkey cock took to prevent the action. Okay so my interpretation right now. Is that the bug me. He is a really good dude and brilliant and was like I'll do it and just made this shit up but the reaction. What tell me everything my father said what what did he say? What was this doing? How feathers angry? He gets like that bug me said the Turkey agaist attacked him when he saw the noose around gusty neck. Interesting quote he flew up at me and dragged the hat over my head and then he began biting me Shins Intel. He left lumps on them as big as two heads. He then I wait and I love big make in his mind as big as something to get its Turkey. But it's two hens. They picked you. He then began screeching and blubbering about gusty and Dan thought to bite the rope into the bug. Me said he thought that maybe gusty was another relative of offices. Yes S. bug me. Whatever you are I have a theory that this is your grandfather and that it would be a shame to hang a relative quote like a common sheep stealer office contemplated in thought for the been Aldana? Leave me for a moment in my crazy head. Then he said quote. You are a sensible fellow that pause for the bug me. must've been like Oh shit. Well I think it's obvious what's going on here. You got it. You are sensible fellow and only you are a believer in transmigration like like myself. Obviously I plan on coming back as a frog. I have no doubt from what you've told me. That gusty is a member of the Cook family or Turkey. Cock doc would never have taken the trouble to save his life henceforth your duty shall be to feed and to ten feet my friends the Turkey cock and gusty custody and you must be courteous and respectful to them as you would to myself. Wow unbelievable yeah. From that day forward the bug me was in charge of the Turkey and Gusty until diabled age. Well played the bug me one day. One of the workers saw that an ox had fallen into the river. I don't as I mean we. This is like an evil Dr Doolittle we're dealing with and the OX was close to drowning panicked. He told a steward to ring the bell to bring as many workers as possible to rescue the OX. The first to arrive were Tom. Billy and Adolf's many other workers than followed. They quickly stripped off their clothes and got ropes to rescue the OX. Get naked and get this out of here. I got your APPS. What check out your APPs upset? Hey yeah core. Did we have to get fully naked to do this. I don't know but it feels right. I mean yeah yeah well we should probably get the oxide of the river. Oh yeah remember that. It wasn't just the new shipping. That's right yeah you know. It's like really drowning so we should. Yeah Yeah I just I I just think you have a nice Dick. Thank you man thank you so much. Thank you use this kind of Weird Potato Accident Child. We all were and So while this was going on in office Tom and billy had a little meeting sidebars do a little new side by before we get the oxide of here. They then announced announced the cattle on the property she driven to the river and the MED should not do anything to get the hawks out until the cattle arrived now. Is there a reason reason. The workers are confused and asked why sure adulterous probably probably a word. They use a lot. The dolphins quote wrote the cattle will have an opportunity of seeing their companion drowning. And it'll be a warning and caution to each and every one of them during their mortal tenure to sean the water so billy at Tom obviously out of their minds as well or they're just you know they got a cush job right exactly. That's a good call it. Yeah that's down here will make a lesson socks. Yeah it'll be what we call the oxtail. That's his version of mallender worker. Asked if they were expected to let the animal drought. Adolfo said quote let him be drowned. It will be a caution to other cattle to avoid going into into dangerous places. Yes with respect. That's not up. Cattle Work Dolphins. Tom Ability that walked off toward the residence. Once they were gone on the wick workers quickly rescued the OX. Okay fuck this yep one day. Dolphins was walking through his property. Came across. It's a safety. I did you show the other cattle. Yeah they were all super freaked out. Yeah they are one of Mexico's new so so I think they're done with that business actually saved the ox to is really heroic would loved it. I feel like some. Ah Your cousins interesting. Turkey was riding one Dad It's classic but you never talk to him all right Do I what do you mean. Of course I talked that you're not until USA Turkey. Well the ad not not until Turkey. But that's a lot of kids do that. A lot of kids wait until our dads become Turkey as they talked to him. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I didn't by the way I would rather talk to him as a church then when he was a man. You wouldn't want your father to talk to you and hug you and teach you how to play football stuff. No that sounds stupid. I'd rather my dad be regarded as a Turkey and then we can form a friendship. That's stronger because he realizes what he did wrong. No that isn't isn't Turkey and he's Pop Turkey Daddy. I'm sorry I must be allergic to your bullshit because I have just tearing up over here a yeah. What did you talk to your human? Oh Yeah my dad. Stupid stupid stupid right now. He taught me ought to be a man and he showed me to. You know sweating but mainly it's going by by head is going to my is there. You can't see it on my head anyway. Talk taught me in the blanket. One day dolphins as walking property and came across the bull that he believed challenged him to a fight. The bully all right boy. How do you WanNa do it? Gloves adult this Ah decided he was not going to be pushed out of his own field by his own. Bull listen asshole this is my home. I'll be foxy or no time. He went to the residents dressed up in a red coat. Grab a sword and went out to meet the bowl. A few seconds into the fight is an interesting color. A few seconds into the fight became very clear that the bull was going to win Yeah it's a bull. Yeah Yeah and made serve it. came running out to help. Adolf's she set loose the dogs on the bull and opened the gate just enough so adult. WHO's could escape? The dolphins then fired the maid servant because quote only the best should be allowed to survive. I don't think that's supposed to follow because it's not a great lesson that that made with what you're out of here you week Obviously I was GonNa win that one. The bull running scared or I'd that'd be gored to death the way it should be But then I'd come back no time Fox and then me and my father would be hanging coming out Fox and Turkey just as there ought to do. You've heard it a million times of all the animals in cooks borough now the most serious obsession with with the local birds specifically the crows and jackdaws. Does he believed that. The crows on the estate were the best and strongest crows in all of Ireland and again no evidence in any way you know. They're just crows. Crows who are like. Yeah Right. He's like Oh yeah look at him. He would've picked anyone who tried to who harm any of the birds at the same time. He despised the sounds. They made life just. This sounds like torture particularly in February and March when it was nesting season one day in March Dolphin said had enough of the birds noise and quote sent for his faithful Henchman Donlan and informed him that he was tortured and fractured by the calling of the JACKDAWS. jackdaws crows about the house that it was their season for nest building and that they were in search of Moss twigs etc to build their nests. So is this GONNA go on. Demoralizing mission told Donlan to get all the workers on the estate and have them collect as many bundles of brushwood as possible. So he's trying to take away the nest building components. He's helping no he's not he's aiding them in their their nest building okay. The next morning the workers began gathering brushwood for the birds. The amount of shit they were talking. I'm news them very much. It took them three weeks to complete the job as mobile. There's other places as they got close to. Finishing worker. Jokingly said that getting twigs for the NASA wouldn't be enough they should go ahead and built a nest for the birds to save them. The trouble dolphins thought this was a brilliant gesture. You're my new right hand man perfect and you know how much birds love it. When humans admits touch their nest? So so now they gotta go pill nasty told the man to start building immediately. Sir I was being Excited so the workers went about building bird nests and having a good time but when the nest redone the birds completely ignored them. Yeah it's not up to snuff. Adults only comment was quote. Love's labor lost not long after the bird Incident and office saw worker. who was late for work trying to sneak in unnoticed? I called them over and demanded he explained why he was laid. The man said he wouldn't be angry once he heard the reason. I think that's an impossible to know. The worker said he was headed to work when he looked up and saw the entire sky covered with crows. jackdaws coming from the neighboring. The town of you're right. I'm not man. What Kill Malik I l. l.? Ucla Kalookan what the hell just happened. There's some people. Oh speaking Klingon. So what's the name of the place Kalookan. Okay you must be like woopsie now. You Know Day feels like right. Yes So the birds made the loudest autosound he'd ever heard and they must. He said have woken up. A dolphins dolphins nodded and he said quote. You all right roused from my slumbers scripps. Absolutely lutely go on with your narrative and interest me so out of his tits and now everybody everybody knows how to play. Yes now. It's it's just easy. You just make up shit about animals now. The crow was talking to me. I had a feeling it would tell me what he set out for some brandy. You're my friend now. You'll be a giraffe. One day. I like that about you through it. The worker asked the Dolphins to guess what the crows wanted when they got to cooks. Borough that's the best thing to do to. Why don't you guess what they wanted with more twigs? Exactly exactly. Adolfo said quote how do I know Golota with your story. You are in the thick of the plot now. I have anxious. We know what the I am anxious to know what brought to my place. Now if you don't mind I'm GONNA take my trousers off to keep going. I'm GonNa do push-ups tell it backwards. It turns out the crows came to push over the nests that the workers that built the employee described the battle and his own involvement. When you're honors crows seen seen the beleaguered invader invaders from kilcullen? They gave the alarm to their brother and sister crows. who were fast asleep and they got up and while you be satiety th rap stick whatever whatever just get through the story? They were in each other's wool and there was blood upon shirts and feathers flying about like snowflakes in January. While I took part with Your Honors Crows Among One Thousand Crows. Will I threw sticks and stones at the Gillam thieves and killed some hundreds of them. I mean that's this dude went big. Yeah definitely find a middle ground where they didn't like but he probably he'll finish it so he's a man he was like looking at his face like not big enough and then they committed a genocide. Really go on friend. This is intriguing. Well the dolphins was very pleased quote. So micros fought bravely. Oh Sir some of the Bravest Davis grow armies. I've seen yes absolutely. Yeah they were wearing little army helmets to it was a whole thing Do sound like my chrome. Yeah well they certainly were sir. They told me as much God they respect the hell out of you. I'll tell you that a lot of them. There's not a dissenter. Among each one of them a big fan of you and your father other I mean look is a non flying bird. Obviously they find a connection there. There's a kinship anyway. I'm sorry I was twenty minutes late. I just now you've got to understand why now a dolphin said I shall go and see the killed. Wounded founded the Let me finish it office. They ate them all the crows eight every man piece by piece. I watched it all within twenty minutes. The worker told the Dolphins the crows had already carried their dead and wounded away close. It's almost demanded to know how the battle ended a quote. The fight lasted a couple of hours and several times is the killer crows took. This is not a word of Pacific. Love your honors Ness but between myself and seven your own crows. We drove them out and they ran away and we chased him into Gilligan. And a look at me close. Close your honor. They are all in tatters on me back. But I'm afraid that the even bigger may return with reinforcement reinforcements and overpower your overpower your honors Gross. Well we'll be ready. Billie Dunn is one of the best commanders. We have they need a leader. We've got it right there. Worst case scenario fat. Tom Cruise will come in a good feeling dolphins. I was absolutely blown away by the story. I mean I mean it's almost unbelievable. You know what I mean. It's almost too crazy. Almost he told the worker quote you are a good and faithful servant and defended my property manfully for which I shall reward you. I shall buy new clothes for you instead of your tattered. Ones and less the Khun Crows return and dispossessed micros. Go back to the wood and bring another man with you to assist you in repelling any attack. That may be made on Micros or their nest and if you require to be reinforced sent for help and firearms. If necessary due maintain my authority absolutely sir at sowed so fucking crazy. But I'll do it. The workers spent that Spring and summer as the protector of the cooks. Borough Crows They were just out there like dude you just nailed it. That's the best fly ever. I know man. We had to work anymore once in a while the worker would gel adolf's Gillick grows at attacked again and every time. The Cooks Bro Crows. Were able to drive them away from the estate everytime dolphins would ask to see the dead and wounded but the worker would say they are carried away and of course they were consistency. Something I respected micros adolphus than Ashtray casualty list. Instead absolutely sir we will lost plus the woods. We lost frank and Tommy L. E.. Jim San yes. As an all of us got older he started to obsess over his death. Death and burial arrangements at first he wanted to be buried somewhere isolated where no one had been buried with no tombstone. No prayer said just quietly put in the ground but the older he got the more the plan changed. He couldn't settle on a single idea at one point. He said when he died he should be quote buried the Horse Park. Where man and beast trample me with impunity? That your final choisir headaches. How about that but soon that idea was replaced by another exploded? That'd be fun. He told US inside of my father. Yeah like that I did. He told us man to build a vault forty feet wide and forty feet deep so quote that the screams names of of the jackdaws crows would not disturb him and his long slumber. You know they're always in combat micros can get pretty violent out there especially when they kill the men and take the bodies away so he wants a soundproof tomb so that he hasn't rise when he's dead also the birds don't bother right exactly right. He used his remaining fortune for the construction of the marble steps leading down to room. That had an arched roof lined with marble slabs inside inside was a great fireplace in front of it was a huge marble armchair beside love sitting in that eight table and Lecter shelves were on on the walls for his nine thousand books on the table. There were pens ink and paper is new plan was to be embalmed and laid to rest sitting upright share in front of the fire which was to be totally burning by the way. Don't spend that money yet once. He's dad like all right Burnham. Let's go get a car I know what he's saying. Let's get a boat something nice. When it was done? They completed it. He had the vault sunk into a pit. A doll called himself the superintendent on the job and billion Tom Engineers. Is it possible that they're all three. Yeah okay during construction. Dolphins had to leave the estate for a few days and when he returned he found one of the workers that built a fence around the pit to keep cattle from falling in and and he demanded to be taken down. The worker tried to explain that if the workers in the pit could be hurt if a cow or horse drawn carriage fill in and it also said he didn't care quote man and beast must mind themselves. The worker refused to remove the fence but then the driver of the horse and carriage took it down himself and now the Pitman refused to enter the hole moments later. The driver backed up the carriage against the pit quote and becoming frightened at the screams of a passing crow the fiery steed pushed the car back and both toppled over into the mint. It's amazing that it was a crow. That did it to perfect. It's perfect battlecry. The workers went in to rescue the horse but it rained the day before is now wet. Clay made the job even more difficult as the pit. Workers struggled covered in mud. The cart driver hid behind a tree. What is he doing? This assist doesn't want to be involved. When the horse and carriage were finally out he reappeared and it office heard about the fiasco and he came out? He said nothing about the horse. Rescue view quote that the workers were dirty fellows to be such a state and that they should have kept themselves clean and tidy like the cart driver. Tough work environment. This is like a stress but he's a stressful boss. It's hard to know the rules. Yeah Yeah you're still. He felt bad for them and And gave them a crowning water to clean themselves. I couldn't figure that out but he gave them money and water. Okay then. He dismissed them for two weeks for disobeying him but they didn't care because he paid them while they weren't working. Aw that's like when is the get like out of school suspensions. They'd be like it's so bad. You have an out of school suspension. I was like a day off from school. SMART punishment assessment. Eventually the vault was finished quote after spending several days sinking the vault expanding a considerable sum of money on it he had it closed closed up guys placed the the embalm him. Get Him sitting there writing the American death novel as it office got older her He drafted a whale. That left everything. I can't wait no to a Scottish nephew then came to visit with his fiance. WHO's affairs office? Planned a grand celebration and banquet but first he took the couple on a tour that included the marble vault of. Oh God now I know what you're thinking I'm going to be in a coffin in here. No no no. I'll be positioned as I'm writing and the fire. We'll burn a turtle cooking me. All the comedy cooked slowly roasting me potentially slow Britos slip off the bones would be tender. ooh What a bite of this guy. But don't that's something I'm going to put in the wheel. No one can eat me separate my father. Have you met that recently. Is a Turkey now BUBBA. But afterwards they went in the house and his nephews fiancee's sat on the chair armchair and asked. Is this how you will look in it. Dolphins flew into a rage and he banished them from cooks borough indefinitely that day. He rewrote his will. But only after sending all all the food and drinks met for the banquet to his workers. Well that's a benefit but I mean if you're that nephew you're like look it's I told you to not say anything to it but this this is a pretty good deal we had going on. It just seems so crazy. I know it's crazy but that's what you just not go. It's you know. And then we got a bunch of money takes the Turkeys his dad just shut the fuck up just took issue with that. It seemed really weird. The next will left the property to his his cousin. Dr Wellington Purdah who lives on a nearby state burden off enjoyed hunting with his hounds and one day he came into Cox. Bro Property Pity and kill the Fox right in front of a dolphin. Oh No no no no I. This man cannot be trusted well. Dolphins had been assuming when he died died who come back as a bird lately. Oh so he's tweaked it but then he also is like I might be a Fox so even if he was not going to become a Fox offers was concerned that purdon could have just murdered one of his family members so he wrote him out of the will. It'd be tough to find a suitor for this. Will you then have his men day quote a number of exceptionally deep foxholes trenches lined with stone which he could use in in case of need when he was a Fox. So if you've worked for this guy for a while like you've just heard everything. I need you to build foxholes for when I come back Fox. Yeah yeah sure we can put some over there and then a couple over there for nearly line them with stones. Make it really hard for anyone to find you get into. That's exactly what I'm after. That's perfect the third version of the wheel. Everything to the youngest son of the Earl of Longford Edward Peck and Ham adult only condition was that the boy high hyphen his name to Edward Beckenham Cook. which the kid was more than happy to share? Yeah I'll do whatever Turkey boy. Let's do this adolphus. Cook died on March eighteen. Seventy six at eighty four years old. Wow So long the enemy it's like if you have dementia when young and and then you dementia did he just start to be normal at the end was he like you know what I think. That's just a Turkey crazy guys. We're GONNA EAT DAD. Had the rector of Kellyanne was Reverend Morley DESMA S. He was the same man to whom adults had said. Previously I would rather read the Koran holy writ and all those years. He had held a grudge. That guy still alive out of spite. The Reverend Desmond's major sure dolphins. His final wishes were not carried out. I kind of really ulker magic just like no. We won't do to him it up looking to hang him like gusty. Hang the bitch. A Dolphin had redesigned his father's tomb to look like a beehive in the event. His father was reincarnated as a B. But that happened long before he returned as a Turkey wait. His Dad was a B- before he was irked. I I thought he might be at before. Yeah so he built the Beehive Tomb and then it turns out and came back as a Turkey which happens. I mean that's the thing about that's the thing about about so hard to predict yeah transmigration like you're you're prepared for someone to take the buffalo like fuck. Yeah no plan for that right. Yeah Oh Dad. He always kept me guessing. So the re reverend had the marble vault destroyed and then buried Adolf's under the stone beehive with his father and Mary Kelly the nurse okay. The Beehive Tomb is still in the rain. yard near his as a state it stands twelve feet high and forty two feet in circumference beehive. Big What's the Queen's the Queen's is a regular Queen Elizabeth Dr Purdon of the second will challenge the third wheel in court on the grounds of the Dolphins was of unsound mind. I like how the I will. It's a slam dunk. I Guess Dr William Williams a witness for the deceased office after William William. That's right got me billy billy a witness for the deceased doves cook hated Dr Purdon and quote was prepared to swear. The dolphins was saying Williams newest dolphins for thirty six years and admitted he was a difficult person. Sure he told her the time he curated office of serious disease but was never invited to the house. Agai- Williams was cross examined about the time of Dolphins said he might become a screech. Owl screech. Elliot's Dammit I didn't no you knew you thought this is from the court transcript. Oh yes council. How many LL's council quote? Can you give me the exact where to us. When he said his voice was becoming like that of a screech owl dr quote he said this is the first day I perceive my voice becoming like that of screech owl? He was very horse at the time. His lordship quote. Did you ever hear a man say A. He was as as a raven doctor. I did his Lordship now when Mr Cooke said his voice was becoming like that of a screech owl. Do you think he supposed. He was a Screech Gel. Doctor I do not is lying. The verdict was for Pankin Ham. Cook because it could not be proven that a dolphin was insane. The judge concluded quote if a man believes he will turn into a successful screech owl after his death. That is no proof that he is incapable. Can you imagine Agean that the judge the judge like. I can't believe this is legally very this is tenuous. It's difficult We now call the stand Turkey. Daddy Dr John took the case to the High Court in Dublin. Where the bug me provided testimony about gusty criminal trial? I mean there has not been a normal name for a while the bug me. Dr Purdon lost again but after paying for several trials. All of the cooks borough inheritance was exhausted. The estate was declared bankrupt. Edward Pankin Pam Cook dropped cook from his name. The Dawn and picking him families remained enemies Intel death a few days after dolphins death. The Fox was caught sneaking into the kitchen. Oh boy residents and it was killed. It's just gonNA come back as a screech owl holy Shit. I can't tell you how fast I thought we were GONNA move through the phase of him being crazy with animals that first twenty minutes I was like yeah. This is crazy but it could lord. Where does this go no? It is just. This dude was Razi with animals. Oh my God it's pretty normal It's a story about believing in yourself. Yeah I mean you know so. It's Turkey Dad probably died at some point during that story right Yeah it's tricky. I Turkey's don't live that long. Turkeys eighty four. Didn't cover it in the Some reason didn't cover the whoever wrote. This was just like Jesus Christ I don't know how much explore why did I start this. I don't know The main source for this was tales of English. ECCENTRICS centric fraudsters cheats and other desperate characters by Tony grumbly Greenwich also. Aw Irish eccentrics by Peter Somerville Large Probably Large. I don't know Yeah so there you you go and then. Tom Cruise went on to grade A movement of his own. Wow Right Yup also I wanna I wanNA thank I want to thank the researcher for this Sharon Saya poor who did Some really great rich. Yes I should say so now let me ask you this. Let's say Donald Trump hits the White House lawn tomorrow and starts claiming that and his father is a Turkey. Does anything happen. No that's right. No it's actually a quid pro crow. In this case there was no quid. Pro Quo of You got how many guys thought I was GonNa do the potato man. Some of you had it been were Sunday. Yeah Dark Catholic Church Holy Shit. Oh there's some great stuff with nuns and orphanages. Yeah Sir the story area that story needs resolution resolution which is not getting. Yeah that one's not ending to that story. That'd be fun. who still kids the bugger? When there's no one there's no more children that's what we can do? The Irish Catholic Church story which is good news not too far off. Aw thank you guys so much for coming out we appreciate it if you've got the Main great thing I I think I don't know what the Hell you're supposed to stick around. I don't know what you're supposed to do. Is Glenn here Glenn. How are you buddy?

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Glass trailer reaction

Talk Nerdy to Me

04:10 min | 2 years ago

Glass trailer reaction

"Hey, listen. Superhero movies here. A movies about a whole lot of CGI well, then you're in luck, sit down, get comfortable, and let's watch the trailer for glass. Nice. Sure is, but you've less. He's giving institutionalized. Keeping heavily sedated. There is a reason for that. Spoiled food. You won't be lonely anymore to friends gun. The beast, three of you think you have extrordinary gifts like something out of comic book. I. Treatment for this disorder. The light will force a different identity to take over. Headphones back control. So you're not gonna shake my hand and let me walk out of here. Good for you. I am here to see if tales of the extraordinary be true. Beat the b, Mary Reynolds. I need you abilities what he asked for. Forget us all out of here. Shogo world we exist. That sounds like the bad guy teaming. You are visiting angel. David. I have to get out of here before he get's. They are contained. Under estimate the mess. It is begun. I've found someone will require your attention. You shouldn't be hiding in the shadows. You might want to stop us. A lot of people are going to die. Like a PB Jay. Sandwich. We are not meant to this major power. All of for the world. What we are. People need to get. What have you done. Glasses. The third of 'em nights trilogy for the unbreakable or east rail one seventy seven series in glass. You can see that David done Kevin and Lijir price are all institutionalized in the same place, and they're being looked at by psychiatrist for delusions of grandeur little does. She know they're not delusions. We see Mr. glass is using Kevin's twenty three different personalities to try to get to the beast in order to make David Dunn reaches full potential. Unbreakable was really the first superhero movie before the John or hip big split came along later and introduce David done at the very end of the movie, and now glasses going to tie them all three together in the trilogy as always thanks, you guys for watching, please subscribe as YouTube channel. Press that bell con to be notified. When I upload a new video, I will see you guys. And the next review later nerds. Is that you. What do you play in all each e.

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Giving Can Make Us Happier

Kind World

00:00 sec | 3 months ago

Giving Can Make Us Happier

"Produced by the island at Wbz you are Boston. Welcome to kind world I'm Andrea S. Y.. SLAMMER Andrea. Did you ever watch the show? Friends? Yeah, I watch it occasionally. Yeah, no. I was a casual viewer to, but there's one episode always sticks out in my mind. What about you have those babies for your brother? Talk about self. About well. Yeah, it was a really nice thing and all, but it made. You feel really good right. Yeah, so well made. You feel good, so that makes it selfish. Unselfish good deed, sorry. I was never a huge. Fan but I actually remember this one. phoebe spends the whole episode trying to do a good deed. That won't make her feel good to prove to joey that he was wrong, but she never manages to do it. You know that really all tie that lives next door to me. I snuck over there, and and raked up all the leaves on his stoop, but he caught me and he looked force-fed me, cider and cookies. And I felt wonderful. That'll Jack Ass. Yes, she always feels just a little bit happy that she was able to help in some way and I. Remember having this question in my head after watching this episode like wait. Am I not supposed to feel good after I? Do a good deed is supposed to feel like a sacrifice if it's really real and I thought about this episode again recently, because our guest this week says that this is actually the wrong way to think about Jenner's behavior. Sometimes it might seem like. paying any attention to how giving we'll make the givers feel. You know it can seem selfish right like if your goal is to help others than you shouldn't be thinking of yourself, but. IDEALLY WE WANNA. Make helping be a behavior that is sustainable. And joy is kind of evolution's trick for making us continue to engage in behaviors that are good for us and are good for the community. That Dr Elizabeth done. She's a social psychologist who studies happiness and social connection, and she says that instead of thinking of good deeds as a moral obligation, we should lean into the idea. There were actually wired to feel happy when we help others in her research Dr Don found that people who gift to charity tend to be happier like a lot happier. In some cases, giving charity made about the same difference for happiness, having twice as much income, but not everybody gets that warm glow from giving to charity that we hear about so if donating does nothing for you, does that mean there's something wrong with you. I'm not so convinced. The in that human beings evolved to. Experience Joy for these really abstract helping situations where we kind of have to assume hope vaguely envision that our dollars are making a difference back in the day. The past we were living in relatively small groups where everyone would have known each other. You know it would have been Sova vastly far removed from. Say Me entering my credit card into a website to help somebody on the other side of the world. In other words. Giving makes you happier when it feels personal. So Dr Dunn says that if you're helping other people and you're not getting that. Feeling from it. You literally might just be doing it wrong. So That's interesting. You say there's a right way, and maybe you're wrong way to do it, so could you differentiate between the two? There's a few sort of key ingredients that really seemed to to make a difference in turning good deeds into good feelings. The first one is connection, so we're more likely to experience joy from helping others if we really feel connected with the people or the cause that were helping second one is impact, so if we see the difference that are good deeds are making that seems to really. Really understand the emotional benefits of generosity, and finally there's choice so the quickest way to sort of strip, the joy of giving away and leave it really not feeling very good for us is to make people feel like they've been forced to give connection impact in free choice. If you think back to giving experience. That wasn't pleasant for you. Odds are at least one of those elements was missing, so Dr Done. She has advised on how he can rethink the way. We give not just a charity, but also in our own lives. That's up next after the break. Welcome back our guest this episode. Is Dr Elizabeth Dodd. She's a social psychologist. At the University of British Columbia and she says instead of thinking of giving is something we should do. We should treat it as an opportunity to feel more joyful, but there's a catch how you give makes a difference. So what can we do to make giving more fulfilling for ourselves and? And others what we can do is think about well. Are there ways that we can provide help to people who need it? That will contain those key ingredients that make giving phil good. How can you create a connection? So if you're somebody who who cares about a certain cause? Can you think of a way that you could foster the connection between donors and recipients? Some nonprofits do this really well. Dr. Don told us about a program in Vancouver called plenty of plates. That's where a group of people get together and raise about five thousand dollars to help with food security in one of the poorest neighborhoods in the city as part of that donation, you get to go and make and serve a meal to the people in that community who you're helping, and so it's a really different experience because you know that the money that you're raising is being used in like spectacularly efficient and helpful and sustainable way, and you get to actually connect with the people that you're helping. Have a real conversation with them. It would be a game changer. If more charitable causes could find ways to connect donors and recipients in meaningful ways like this. But Dr Dunn, says these principles go beyond charity now more than ever. We have an opportunity to incorporate more giving throughout our lives, and maybe boost our moods in the process with the economic downturn that seems to already be upon us. Many of us are going to be facing tough decisions about what to give up, and so it's tempting to think well. You know I don't I'm not doing as well now. Now I can't possibly help others and I think a really striking finding that we've come to from our work. Is that even when people are struggling to meet their own basic needs? They still derive joy from helping others. Everybody has something to offer asking ourselves. What could we give right and that I think draws our attention to our own strengths and resilience in a way that I at least have found. Found very empowering. So could you kinda give advice to those of us who are trying to be better people like you said that we that we can reframe our thoughts to think about other people and giving to other people. I think every time we start to look ourselves. We can potentially ask. Is there some way that I could use whatever I'm doing right now to help others as well so for? For example I was actually at a conference just as the outbreak was beginning, and so I went to the drugstore to get hand sanitizer for myself, but I decided to buy about another fifty bottles and I just gave it out to everybody for free. Just to you know because I realized. This was just a small thing that I could do right. It didn't cost that much. It wasn't that hard. And Dr. Dunn says that's really the key reframing. You're thinking so that joyful giving becomes a regular practice instead of an isolated event one. We learned from happiness research that you're never at the end of the journey. Nobody gets happy and just stays there permanently without continued effort and some challenges happiness. Isn't this destination that you get to and you get to stay forever? It's more of like an ongoing journey that you have to think about you. Know each at each for road. Our thanks to Dr Elizabeth done for joining us this week. She's a professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver Canada. She's also the CO author of the book. Happy money the science of happier spending. Thanks for listening to kind world this week. Our show is a production of WB. You are Boston's NPR station. Paul vicous and Marie do sound design. Sophie Eisenberg is our WB you. Our Fellow and Sophie produced this episode. Catherine brewer is our managing, producer and editor an Irish is our executive producer I'm reporter and producer Andrea us? Why and I'm reporter and producer? yes-men Armor, join us on Friday for the last episode of kind world. It'll be a special one, so you won't want to miss it. We'll see you then have a great week.

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Our 3000th Episode

60-Second Science

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Our 3000th Episode

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WEEKEND EDITION- Las Vegas Is 'Gambling With Lives' Across the Country and The Boogaloo Bois

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WEEKEND EDITION- Las Vegas Is 'Gambling With Lives' Across the Country and The Boogaloo Bois

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On the weekend edition I'll be bringing some of the best stories from the week. Health experts have said that casinos are high risk environments for covid nineteen and a new analysis of smartphone data shows just how interconnected the is with visitors to las. During a four day period July twenty, six thousand devices identified on the Las Vegas Strip and in that same weekend, those same smartphones showed up in every state on the mainland except for Maine for more on just how mobile people are despite the pandemic will speak to Marshall Allen Healthcare reporter at Propublica, reach out to a couple of companies that specialize in this kind of data. One of them was called mode. Their company that gathers cell phone device data they do it in a De identified way I mean the whole. Thing is pretty creepy right when you think about how our movements are tracked based on our smartphone devices, they. So they get this data from APPs we use for fitness or whether the things that track our location and a company called Tech Tonics does the analysis and visualize the data. So I reached out to those companies. I asked them if they could do in analysis based on Las Vegas I, also have great love for Las Vegas. I used to live there for five years. I was journalists there the LAS. Vegas Sun newspaper. So I know Vegas real well, and I had a feeling that Vegas could be a problematic place when it comes to the virus what their data showed, they have a data set that represents about five percent of all the cell phone devices in the country and during a four day period in July they were able to identify about twenty, six thousand devices on the Las Vegas Strip. So we're all the big hotels are and they were able to look and see where those same smartphones showed up in. The same day period and what's amazing is just how far the reaches for travelers who go through Las Vegas, I mean even in a pandemic people are extremely mobile and those cell phone devices. But some of the same ones that were on the Strip showed up in every single state in the country except for men and they showed up by the thousands in places like southern California and Arizona, and even by the hundreds in Milwaukee Detroit Chicago Cleveland area in Texas even all the way out to the New York area. And what it shows is that people are still extremely mobile. Our country is very connected and the real problem here is that casinos according to the public health experts I've talked to are exactly the kind of place that would be a likely hotbed for the virus to spread you have an indoor environment and you have people who are mingling together. You have a lot of strangers coming from a lot of. Different places mixing together and you have a collection of people who may be more prone to taking risks. Right I talked to a lot of workers in Vegas and they told me that the people who come visit they're really trying to come to forget about the corona virus right they wanNA have a good time they wanted to get away from this pandemic and so they've seen a lot of problems with visitors. Not wearing masks or refusing to wear masks. They've had people gathering in crowds and it's got all the ingredients for what public health experts would say as a problem and that was part of the problem to the Vegas Casinos Open on June fourth and we remember how there was promotions for almost free air travel to get there they wanted people to turn out in the kind of got their wish people did. Go, and then we started seeing cases spike again but you know you were talking about how people didn't WanNa wear masks and whatnot that was also part of the problem because the regulations were all over the place there was no set to govern all of them. Really each casino or casino group were left alone to make their own rules. In some said, we need customers to wear masks other said they don't. The workers, there was testing on some art of it others didn't do testing. So this was also kind of the problem there this patchwork of rules. That's exactly right. The regulators Nevada give in a lot to the casino industry because it is really such a dominant force in the in the city I'm one of the historians Nevada told me the gaming industry isn't just the tail to wag the dog it may just be the dog you know. So I mean, they really are running things in Nevada and one of the biggest problem here is that our public health system. Is Not really structured in a way that will identify any type of outbreaks that would occur in a casino all of our contact tracing. That's the process where a local public health agency will call people who tested positive ask who they've been in touch with make sure people are quarantining to prevent the spread of the virus that contact tracing process is really not focused it all on county to county or state to state contact tracing, and it's not focused on looking for an outbreak or looking for a super spreader event in a place like Vegas. So you have this environment. Where it's ripe for the virus to spread, and then all those travelers are going back to southern California they're going back to Phoenix or through out the rest of the country and the public health system is not even identifying whether or not. They might have picked up these cases in a place like the Las Vegas Strip that's one of the biggest problems with corona virus already were always playing from behind on its movement. So it's hard to even track it that way Marshall Tell me a little bit about some of the casinos. Kovic. Plans you talk a little bit. About MGM resorts and some of their plans and in their policies they basically say if somebody comes down with corona virus that say they stay there they go home they take a test you my gotTa have groves they're supposed to notify mgm, Senan email or something but I mean I'm willing to bet a lot of people that's not top of mind for them. They're not gonNA email back and then on top of that, it's just they don't provide some of that data with how many people have at them back up how many possible outbreaks that they've had at their properties. That's correct. Yeah. I reached out to MGM and I asked him if they could tell me how often that has happened that they've had people email them and they wouldn't tell me but the experts I talked to said it unlikely you know the people are going to reach back to end Jim and say, Oh, by the way I tested positive I mean it could be but even The local health district there in southern Nevada said, they have not really been hearing from other public health agencies or not very much, and frankly all the public health agencies are overwhelmed with cases in their own jurisdiction. So they don't really know where everybody picked up the cases. There's community spread all over the country. There's a fourteen day incubation period for Covid nineteen so you could have. Picked it up fourteen days before it shows up a lot of people don't even have symptoms. I mean, it's really hard to trace the origin of this disease, and so it just makes it really difficult to control. US spoke a little bit about the employees, the workers there in Las Vegas that work in all the casinos and all that let's talk a little bit about that because. They're also worried about it to you know when these casinos were set up, they weren't setup for social distancing. You mentioned some workers in the kitchen at binion's cafe down in the Fremont area and how they're working elbow to elbow basically in a tiny kitchen because that's the way it was set up. So long ago and just the the increased worry they go through that something might happen. I think this is really the tragedy you know one of the experts I talked to the historians about the workforce in Nevada said what's happening here is that people are gambling with lives, the casino owners, the properties themselves, they're gambling with lives when they require the workers to show up for work in the middle of a pandemic where it's very difficult to social distance and a lot of the guests are not wearing masks and just to be fair you know the casinos have done a lot to transform, las. Vegas. I mean if you go to Vegas now your experiences are going to. Be Much different than it would have been last year I mean they have distance the tables they have plexiglas barrier setup have hand sanitizing and hand washing stations set up on the casino floor in different places that workers are all wearing masks. But the workers I talked to said, the guests are not a lot of them are taking it seriously but many of them are not and when you have that many people coming into one place and then they refuse to distance and they refuse to wear masks even if a few of them refuse, it creates a high risk environment for those workers. Just, looking at that cell phone data going back to that, you can see how it's possible for this video game. You can see the spread almost in real time does looking at that cell phone data. You can and I think that's the visualization of it is so powerful and astonishing. You know when you see just how connected, we are I almost every major city in the country in that same four day period had people coming through Vegas and so the weird thing is it was only a four day period. Vegas has been opened for months, and so there are way way more people going through than just that and it just brings home how interconnected we are one of the public health experts I talked to. WHO. Does. Infectious Disease Modeling compared to a forest fire. So if you picture a forest fire in Las Vegas and then you imagine a group of trees that are on fire and then some of the flames jumped to another area and then ignite trees in that area. That's exactly what can occur when people gather in Las. Vegas spread the virus among each other and then dope on planes and hop in cars and drive back home to communities all over the country Marshall Allen Healthcare reporter at Propublica. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you I appreciate your interest. Hi I'm Heidi Markov host of what to expect a new podcast from iheartradio. When I first wrote what to expect when you're expecting my mission was simple to help parents know what to expect every step of the way on what to expect will answer your biggest pregnancy and. Questions, about everything from preconception planning to birth plans, newborns sleep to toddler tantrums. 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Live on apple podcasts, iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Whistles trying to leave for this week. You might have heard about the boo-boys, a group of Hawaiian shirt wearing anti-government insurgents. They're hoping for a second civil war and often organizing gun toting militias vice news followed Mike Dunn, a nineteen year old man organizing against gun control and saw he rose into the bugler movement. The movement evolved from an obscure Internet meme to national security concern in the span of just a few months. Or more on the bugler movement will speak to test Owen senior reporter advice news. I would describe it as an insurgent anti-government movement that as you say, it's pulled an array of ideologies from heartland libertarians, antigovernment extremists, and some white supremacist. They're pretty new. It's more of a kind of a movement rather than the Structure Group and. I decided. kind of as a mean to refer to uprising or a second civil war on some kind of fringe parts of the Internet, and then about six months ago it kind of started growing into this movement primarily on facebook and I think the first time that even heard of a blue boy was interestingly a rally in Virginia in January a big gun rights rally, and most of them were kind of regular gun owners, a militia type, and there was one group there who had patches on their jackets, things, bubis voice and logos that we associate with the movement now. So those were kind of like I think. Do, poison the wild I guess. But that time I think a lot of extremism experts hunting really hard up and they weren't on the radar. And then as you said, I think they really. So it Kinda come out moving from the Internet into the real world I was in response to lockdown covid nineteen, and so they started showing up at these anti lockdown protests with guns or they were showing up for example to quote defend businesses that chosen stay open into finds lockdown orders offered. In Minneapolis than the movement latched onto the blast protests started showing up you know in that Hawaiian shirts with guns and people didn't really know what to make of them. They couldn't tell whether they were there to protect against stop as matter and I think it was a listen. Clare some groups I think have seen themselves or position themselves as ally whether or not how are you gonNA go without or believe it, and then others it seems like we're there to. Exploit the unrest to advance their own vinyl agendas, which in some cases was they wanna Von Down with police or hope to prompt one side the other into shooting. It's interesting really to try to pin them down. It's very difficult as we were saying, the ideologies are all over the place, two main themes that I have picked up on our opposition to gun laws, and also this kind of notion of anti police or government action or overreach, and in that case, that's why some of them tacked onto some of the George Floyd protest because it was against police brutality so it's tough to pin them. Down on the ideology, and we'll get to that a little bit more in a minute but you profiled Mike Dunn he went to the military he got involved with some of these groups and he started organizing militia groups and then he full on there was this kind of evolution that you noticed in him after talking to him over the course of a few months or so and he finally admitted yeah, I am Boola boy and he kinda rose into this movement here tell us about him and how it happened. Back in February I was working a story about Capello radiation and personal laws in Virginia and how not with galvanizing militia activity across the state and when some militia. Then specifically in the South West Virginia where the uptick in the militia activity or organizing county militias was really happening and it was in part I think because of this like 'cause the polarization on like a spiritual rift happening in northern Virginia, which is increasingly wealthy and liberal in the southwest, which is poor on more conservative and more rural, and anyway after he got back in nineteen us, the world pretty much turned upside. Down until I tabled story on the people can sure if it would ever be relevant and you know a post or during the nineteen world, and then if you later took one of my main contests with this nineteen year old, Mike. Dunn. Who I interviewed in February and he had gone from being a gun right back to this and organizing these militias to being loud and proud of in this movement I've been writing out the boothia movement and knew that the movement had pulled in tens of thousands of people took online network that it was quite strange to face on it and I. Would adorn him in, and also what some of the ones were between his identity is like a militia guy which many people still quite extremes and the booby boy. For, Mike How would he define is ideology and miss what draws him to the Google movement and makes him want to wear the Hawaiian. Shirt, carry the Gyn go to these events where the militias are gathering like, what is it for him? Well I think that he said he was a marine and he was medically discharged due to you know a heart condition on that. He learned a lot about guns and. Marines, he sort of being interested in politics for firearms and gun rights, and then offer he got out of the Marine see sort of this group. Night purchase a local militia group. But I, think one of the things that was important for me to remember was that even back in February, there was kind of a generational divide happening between Mike who young and some of the kind of like older traditional militia tight and you know it was pretty clear that back in February Mike Dunn Pitch Invasions. Militia. was actually rubbing some people the wrong way and some of the older generation I spoke to basically their vision was something more along the lines of clarified boy scout unit. Who could you know? They could organize against any gun they deemed unfair. But if someone needed that roof tarps during the flood, make a help but Mike's vision with a lot more paramilitary. Even ben and then. More Mike said the turning point for him and being kind of crystallizing moment for the movement in general, which was in March. The death of twenty one year old Duncan lent he was killed by Maryland police and no not grade and length was known anti-government circles online and he police were executing the warrant officer. They got a tip that he possessed a legal. Deduction of weapons and my can meet Duncan. Then they were friends on facebook and length has kind of become a martyr for the movement in general like do boys mcpick pick talks put for just pictures of land and they are you know facebook pages dedicated to him they have said they want to seek out violence against police officers to then just function lumps. and. So for my that was really the big turning point for him to about thought a lot angrier and I feel like. Death also gave a kind of a shape and a face and then name to these grievances that were already just like driving this renascent movement and it's interesting that you say that lamp and what happened there he was killed by police at a no knock warrant and I know that some people in the Bougainville Movement have even attach themselves to the Briana Taylor movement getting those. Officers arrested and account for because she was killed after the cops went through a no knock orange. So this kind of division of race and all that stuff is it gets very murky with this group they are attaching themselves to specific incidences in finding common ground in that at least but overall, it seems like the blue boys they find themselves as these younger more action oriented. Of militiamen even in talking to my done, you know he talks about. Well, we're the guys that are willing to go out there and actively defend something you know we're gonNA, use the guns if we need to. That's why they go out there and display themselves with them as you mentioned kind of paramilitary and he has that background and he trains others as well a so they're looking for something to actively start I i. know sometimes they talk about the movement and looking for a second civil war but this is something that they're actively seeking. It seems like. Mike, he's kind of. I mean he probably he's so young, and then he goes back and forth between being. He's careful with his words, but he'll say something like, ooh, that sounds like a cool or else I don't care about the extremist store. They'll say, yeah, you know, of course, I'm GonNa Watch List said he told me that the FBI had business in the month between February and then they don't on July so I think it's hard to know this is the same with a lot of these movements where be like just traditional management or the booth newboys or is how many of them actually steer against or you know how much of it plain dress up And how much of it is actually you know they do actually want violence and I think that's one of the most confusing things about this movement is so big. It's so sprawling. There are so many guns this violent ideology underpinning it, and you just aren't really know the difference between you know who's for real and he'd just playing. Tests Owen senior reporter advice news thank you very much for joining us. Thank you so much for Halloween. That's it. For this weekend. 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Little Atoms 586 - Hamid Ismailov's The Devils' Dance

Little Atoms

30:34 min | 1 year ago

Little Atoms 586 - Hamid Ismailov's The Devils' Dance

"This is little atoms. A radio show about ideas and coacher with me nailed any. This week, how made is Milo on his e b o d literature prize winning novel. The devil's downs. Is my love is in us by journalist and writer who was forced to flee Pakistan in nine hundred ninety two g to what the state dubbed unacceptable democratic tendencies. He came to the United Kingdom where he took a job with the BBC World Service. His works abandons back. Stan several of his Russian original novels have published in English translation, including the railway, the Deadlight, which was long listed the twenty fifteen independent foreign fiction prize and the underground. The devils Dunn's which we're gonna be talking about today is the first of his us back novels to appear in English. And the translation by Donald Rayfield has just one. Twenty nineteen APR the literature prize. How made welcome to little atoms. Thank you very much for inviting me. And for having me, I want to talk about the title of the novel. I is the devils downs in English and inside the novel. It gives us the, the original translated title, which I can't read. But it also refers to the, the legend of the Jin as well as well as the devil, something about that title. So the title is an easy one because there was a short story by the protagonist of this novel by the main character of this noble and I call Nichols back right after lot Cordery, and it's called the devil's Dunn's. In fact, the different translations of this of this title because some people, they prefer to say the feast of devils. The other people are saying done of devils, we decided to go for the devils dance because it's very snappy. It's dancy. So it catches exactly what we wanted to catch why I decided to use these particular especially Newsweek, for example, why decided to use these title of LA Qadri because for me the Soviet period, especially what about the? Voice through arrested by the Stalinian regime at the same time he has been he was betrayed that, that time by his cO leagues writers, you know, the same all spec writers, who were on the one hand admiring keys pros, admiring, his personality on the other hand there, where writing these complaints and letters to catch be in order to arrest him. And he was arrested because of them, so it was kind of devils Dunn's, especially the rule, which and Kenya, d lady became catchy B and Cady played in all of that. They in fact, there was sort of, you know, narrative against narrative narrative of, for example of the ROY tab, Audrey and at the same time, the narrative of the end Kevin d they considered him as a nationally stieg, you know. A good very sort of, you know, kind of very narrow mind that nationally nationalist, and so on, and so forth, whereas when we read him, we've found completely different personality. So there was a clash of the narratives here as well which was like the devil's dance you know, whatever you think, for example, on the one hand there were Anjelica promises of the October evolution. Yeah, you will believing in the paradise in this world. But it ended up with the devils dances, Qadeer Abdullah Khudairi, who's the real life is back. Right. That is the main protagonist of this story and the story. Ital- hair is of a legendary loss novel of his an idea that he had for a novel. And so you retell that story as well as well as historians baseless is a few months of his life under arrest by the end k v. Tell us something more about his life before that and his work he was one of the. So representatives of those people who you know, were quite young when the October Revolution has happened. And as I said already, you know, lactobacillus Evelyn promised completely new world that everyone will be equal every, you know, those three ideas fraternity, liberal equality, egality, so equality brotherhood and liberty. So they promised the same, and he was one of those young people who believed in it here, except in a way, lactobacillus volition. But it turned out little by little, he was seeing what it turns into he was a clever enough, you know, to understand where it's going, you know, all of a sudden, there were more equal than equals. For example, more fraternal than for the sort of, you know brothers cetera et cetera. So he started to on the. Stand, it very quite early in the twin teas and therefore he was quite an open minded person who wasn't afraid to criticize even the presidents of that time, you know, he criticized in one of his satirical, essays the leader of who's making stunt at that time and immediately was arrested in nineteen twenty six and he mows the kind of person rib person for whom the morals and values played in numerous role during this trial during his speech. He said, you better kill me because I can't return to the circle of those people who betrayed me, how I'm going to look into the eyes, I would rather prefer that you kill me. You know, you short me that, so, you know, moral, the moral was this person. Yeah. High moral person with values, which he could. Sacrificed, for example, for the sake of these values. So he wrote one of the most iconic was back novels. In fact, he wrote the first we can say the first who's bec novel because before him the literature existed in poetry form. All the novels were paid forms, like, for example, you know, Shakespeare's tragedies so or Milos tragedies everything was written in verse. He was the first who brought the pros into who's back literature, and he wrote a novel which was called days by gone. It was about the last days of the, you know of the traditional who's back candidates in the end of the nineteenth century. So the story itself, it goes like that EPA sent from Tashkent goes to Margalla, which is one of the cities in Fergana valley eve. To give the sort of, you know, the equitable of English equivalent, a London is chop goes to Yorkshire that say, yeah. And without any concept of his parents, he falls in love there with the local lady young lady, and he marries here without any consent of his mother and father here, it turns to his hometown to Tashkent and leaves his wife at the place in Yorkshire. Let's say he comes back and parents are unhappy. They want him to marry a local, you'll be Sussex, girl, or Essex girl, but they won't something cloak. And he says them he admits that he's already married, but they insist especially his mother insists and he marries the second wife and then the first wife comes to him because he wants because he loves and the reason these rivalry between two wives and. Younger wife. The Essex assessors Gill poisons Yorkshire go that is the mobile and because he's so unhappy to lose his love. He decides to end his life fighting the Russian conquest you know, because at the same time Russian where Russians were conquering central Asia, and he dies in one of the battles that is the novel in became one of the most iconic was back novels of all time. Ask any who's back any whose family, they would keep these novel somewhere along with Koran, you know, along with the holy books. It has been translated in many languages including recently into English as world. So that is his novel and he became very famous in the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties. He wrote several other novels as well. And then in the nineteen thirty seven he was going around, and we've got the. You know, memories memoirs of different people saying to them, I'm going to write another novel about the last century about the time of the great game I am going to write a novel about not the slave girl. But one of the girls who became the wife of three hunts or king's local kings. There were fighting for her. They were waging wars because of your she was like a summer candy. Helen of Troy, let's say Helen of summer count, and he wanted to write a novel about here and he started to collect material about here. We know roughly, what these novel should have been about, but they say he even started to write this novel in his manners manuscripts. But unfortunately, on the thirty first of December nine hundred thirty seven he was arrested by an cavity and showed that, after, you know, ten months. In being imprisoned, he was shot dead on the fifth of October nineteen thirty eight all his manuscripts where taken by an Kennedy and they were burnt out, and we haven't got anything left from his manuscripts apart from these Qatar, you know, memoirs of other people that he wanted to write these novel. So that is his life, and I decided, we'll be talking about that. How I came to this idea how I came up with this idea. But we can talk about that, but that is his life. So this is the story. It's Halland this in this novel. This great lost novel, the heroin and tell us who she is. She is this lady, who he wanted to depict the in his novel. He used to say I'm going to write this novel in such manner that it will supersede all I've written before it'll be so beautiful that everyone will. I forget what I wrote before that. So that we knew, therefore, she was one of the ultimate beauties of the time, you know, because three kings were fighting for her. She was ultimate beauty. But we know that she was in love with Hugh boy, you know, we and she wanted to marry another, boy, but she was taken by one of the kings, and their different views about some people until now the majority of people considered here as the luckiest woman of these earth, to who was on these because three kings were after hill, and she was enjoying the company of three kings. But very often they forget that they were forcing to marry you know whereas he had his love, you know, he had hoped lands, he wanted to marry your beloved and so on, and so forth, but she was, you know forced. To marry those kings, you know, who were in a way, you know, humiliating insulting kill trumping, basically, you know, your own ah and your personality. The novel. We're talking about the devils downs tells the story of Kediri. He's in prison, he wants to write this novel about this woman on, I'm the three calls, but as she said, all of the manuscripts that he might have gone been panned. We have some hair say about what it might Philip out, now, of course, EMMY today's you could have just made it up. That's fine. But how do you go about telling the story and staying true to kade'er is vision? For one thing, I read everything canary road. Yeah. And I love what he writes because he's a muster of the pros you know, he must must've the language he used to call himself, you know, thief. In what sense he used to go to check China's tier houses like to the pubs. Local pops of Vegas them and listen to people know and he would imitate wonderful characters in a, he would imitate them through the woods, for example, any person, for example, which he describes is a live person. You know, you can immediately imagine this person sitting in front of you talking to you, because he describes Kim, so will through his speech through his habits through his gestures. So he's wonderful writer. Therefore, I learnt quite a lot from him. At the same time I must say that initially he wasn't on my us. You know, for this novel initially, I wanted to pay tribute to this country because I'm living in this country for twenty five years, you know, and I all these countries something, you know, and I wanted to write something about the great game when the English people where. Discovering summer, con Behara Sam of them even lost their heads. They, you know they were beheaded captain corner. Lee, Colonel stalled the they were beheaded there, so they paid quite a lot of price to learn what kind of people live there, and I wanted to bring them into life as well all those connections between the central Asia and this country. So my idea was to write something about the great game at the same time I had an idea to write a novel about our wonderful, poet, the contemporary of Abdul Qadri whose name is troll porn. He's of the scale of Yates of the scale of, you know, Thomas, STAN Elliot, he's our Katina treasure in poetry of the twentieth, century. And I wanted to write something about him, but then I realized that he was a contemporary to Audrey who wanted to write about their time as well. And all of. Sudden everything came together. You know I decided to write a stereo scope. Tickle noble one about the great game. But through these oil Hawn poor Hawn, ultimately, captain Conal meets a in my novel. So the reason moment of fiction, there, lots of moments of fiction, but at the same time, I think, because I was following all the documents available including the diaries of captain Connolly, and stowed, including loads of documents of people who were ascertaining their fate in summer, content Behara. So I went through tons of material. And therefore, I was absolutely sure that I can write something interesting about the time based on these documents. But at the same time to give some sort of liberty to my imagination. Elicits a little atoms. I'm now Danny today. I'm talking to Hamid is my love. We're talking about his novel, the devil's downs which was translated from those back into English by Donald Rayfield, and it's just recently won the electoral prize twenty nineteen and Hammett that time the time of Stalin and the Soviet Union has gone. Now, back STAN is, is a guy an independent country. But as you mentioned in the first part, if the been back since nineteen ninety two as b person, I wasn't as big STAN several times been to bake STAN several times, but before two thousand and five mostly because we have an office there. But in two thousand and five after the massacre in under John where the governmental forces used this proportional force against the civil population. So and we were broadcasting from these events, you know. They decided to put a ban on too many of us, including myself, apparently, maybe my writing played a certain role. Maybe my journalism played a certain role, but my last attempt in two thousand seventeen when I was once again, a member of the BBC delegation, coming tools, Becky STAN, they allow everything member of the delegation. But they allowed me deported from the airport, not explaining why not explaining who gave these older or whatever they just said that you are in the list, so please go with us. So I spent four five thousand a kind of sell there and then they put me into the plane to stumble and deported me so that is the story how it goes about why I'm off my relationship with based on. I don't know why they banning for example, my work, wake I am in this. So called least and sons of I never, you know, wrote any manifest does or I can't see in my work, any subversive motives, purely political or whatever, you know, I think I can guess I can guess that, you know, anyone writer is subversive by his own nature because what one Astrid does he describes. So she describes the reality, but the authorities, they've got their own sort of, you know, version of reality that we are living in paradise that we are absolutely happy people, and so on and so forth. So when you are breaking their image of reality, you are becoming immediately subversive. I think it's more about my aesthetics, like synapse cassette, you know, rather than anything political, you know, we have differences on aesthetical on cultural ground, I think in. Understanding the reality of nowadays was based on realities of nowadays wilt. And yet you bring in those coach are writing poetry to a worldwide audience. What do they not? See, once again, it's the, you know, quite think, and it's a puzzle for me, you know, puzzle to the extent that for example, they announced the price the price for this book, as any who's Baker should be proud. That was better. Literature is recognized by the world by the specialist experts readers and sons of. But at the same time, I know recently, for example, union of who's back right as gathered and some of the representatives of this union said these would is a plot against us. Becky stem political plot against bake Histon. We have to disclose who is behind. What kind of groups behind of that? We should protect our youth offer sort of. You know of these novel and Sony's of, it's a stallion in language. You know, it's exactly the language, which poor up the pottery was suffering from, you know, chill on fifth rat, and many others were suffering from, and it's a modern twenty first century, whose Becky STAN. So sometimes I'm wondering what happens there? This book has just recently translated and published in English, but it's not a new novel and you're right. I think twenty twelve and your work is banned in Pakistan. So how do you get those bags to be your work, for example, with this book, when I wrote this book? And when I was sure that the book is ready. I started to publish this book chapter by chapter on my Facebook and it became in a way viral, you know, people started to repose state to share to publish. Newspapers in the neighboring countries to print, it out and hand over to different people. It became something, you know, I've got plenty plenty thousands of emails or Facebook of, you know, comments, and so so forth from that time. So it became an event for people sometimes, for example, with my other books. For example, I read them and put on YouTube, let's say as a full audio book, once again, people read people listen to these books, so dress Gorie, social media now. So it's very difficult to censor nowadays, you know, especially with the internet with all kinds of Chad groups and sense of I can't see this as a problem. But the reset of aggressive silencing that is a problem. For example. They don't mention people are not allowed to mention my name, let's say. If they mentioned, so they face, apparently some kind of, you know, problems or whatever. And I've seen many for example, especially on the Facebook, for example, someone is commending saying, for example, why we're not publishing Comey. The smile of book suggesting to the publishers. Yeah. Next week. I'm looking this comment has gone, for example immediately also was deleted. So apparently they were pressure on this person to take it out. So I can't feel and I can see the reas- these aggressive silencing about my name, but what can I do? All I can I can just put on Facebook on Twitter on YouTube or other social media, so Karimov. He was the post Savia later Pakistan, obviously, in charge when you aband- is dead now, I'm still staus a while ago now and still allow. Back as it stands. I'm hopeful this will change the future. I don't know the strange thing was, I was believing that the with Karimov all these ban has gone. But as I'm saying, you know, I was a member of official delegation in two thousand seventeen when the new president was in full Powell ready, and yet, they didn't allow me and those signals which are coming now, for example, from these from these union of who's Bek writers are quite worrying, you know, this kind of Patino signals the were not even during the Kareem of time. Funny enough, you know what happens on the one hand, I'm optimistic because the country is opening up economically liberal lies Inc opened up to other countries of the region. The real, lots of positives. But on the other hand, there are these issues, for example, when I look at my. Personal affairs. For example, I can see all these troubling moments what does it mean for you, the, the because one is prize, the literature prize for first of all, it's recognition of those Beck literature because, luckily, these book about those that literature in different forms. It's about the court poetry. It's about the women poets. It's about the poetry competitions. It's about the one of our best writers of the twentieth, century. It's about the best poets of the twentieth, century. It's in a way, encyclopedia of who's backlit real life, and I am bringing I am proud that people are reading, and in a way I'm serving as a bridge between my literature and readers all over the world, just finishes often. Normally I would say, would you read as a selection from the novel a now you've got some? In uh specs. Would you be something else that, you know as a tribute to the translators? Yeah, I myself was a translator for many years used to translate different poems, different especially poems. Why I'm paying tribute to translate as, for example, this book was translated by Donald Rayfield and his Pacific -ly learned who's back on the basis of his Turkish to translate these, these wonderful people who are bringing different cultures to this country. You know, they should be treasured by all of us, and Donald night, about the translation, at the back of the book he mentions the difficulties translating learning those pack is the numeral alphabet replaced in those language over the past century. Why was that, that was, you know, do the due to the political changes, for example, traditionally, the Cal? Of it was the Arabic one, but with the October Revolution. They decided to it's the end of the religion, it's the end of Islam is the end of the Arabic influence, therefore they decided to change it into that. So then they've once again, they've improved these Latin once again, then they decided to bring it closer to the Russian language in the forties. They decided to change the Latin into surreally after the independence, they decided to be closer to the open world, and decide that once again, to go for the Latin, now, they're thinking, once again to change this Latin and be closer to the Turkish world. So it's non stop changing of the alphabet and its disaster. Because with every change of the alphabet, the, you know, cultural sort of, you know, cultural level of people is dropping because for example. Those who read our big. They couldn't read in cyrillic, or in Latin, for example, those who read in Latvian. They couldn't read in Siri league. For example, over the last twenty five years, those people who were studying Latin they can treat in surreally, but ninety percent of the fiction was published in cyrillic only. Ten percent of fiction was published in Latin and exactly the sort of, you know, the ratio is by the way around in scientific books. Those Qatar Hawaiian cyrillic they can't read the new scientific books whereas those people are left without fiction. So it's always a disaster. I'll read you one poem of Paul Verlaine, you know, the which is loose Anglo via long. But I'll read it in who's back in my own translation, all who along Jackson, long couscous Lara the ordinary Joe yours on our. Sauce year. Gabriel Soulard truck saw blowing his own. We are two can they are whom room towing shoo, shoo, Dr hall, Seoul. Shamal Minna, cooler whom than marriage chain seen. Gerra has on Birla has on, but architecture to Hamid is my love would be talking about his novel. The devil's towns, I'm which was originally published in back and is translated into English by Donald Rayfield in this edition, which is by tilted access press. How many thank you so much coming in and sharing it with us. Thank you very much for having me. This episode of little atoms whose produced presented by me, nail Denny edited by sky Redman and was first broadcast measurements. One four point four Atlanta. Gms is supported by eighty nine up in hosted by cast if you enjoyed the show, please. Stay subscribe, raters, Junes, and even tell a friend, thanks for listening.

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Will coronavirus cause a global recession?

FT News

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

Will coronavirus cause a global recession?

"Hello from the Financial Times in London. I'm Katie Martin. And this is news infocus where we offer our insights into the stories that matter. Today I'm joined by our economics editor Chris Giles to look at the risk. The Corona virus epidemic poses to the global economy news stories about the spread of the virus. Often focus on the human cost quite rightly but also growing economic costumes disruption to trade supply chains tourism and transport. So what is the risk that this will push? The global economy into recession can the actions of central bankers and policymakers. Help avoid this Chris. Let's start with damage. What are the sectors of the global economy? That worst affected. And how big is the damage? So far you've mentioned the big ones tourism damaged very substantially in the areas where the outbreak is quite severe. So it's Li China parts of Asia. We're seeing huge pools in two stumbles. And that has a knock-on effect straight away to airlines in particular but other transport hotels leisure facilities all of the sorts of companies often small companies particularly when economic down to hotels restaurants and other leisure activities. So we're still in the part of this crisis where we don't really have any hard economic data but we can expect some very very large impacts which we expect to be temporary. We've got some surveys. The pair my from China was dreadful. Was the biggest drope. Even that the financial crisis in history in February Chinese costs without ninety percent that is not a normal number for any part of the economy. Because if you have a lock down. Lots of things simply won't happen. So those are the sectors. The ones that you've mentioned supply chain's first-quarter loss of this would come out into manufacturing. Why plants which shut down because essentially. I couldn't get parts of that is all happening. We don't know exactly how serious it is quite hard to pull this together. What we know that in China. It's very serious. You can see that from the pollution. Tater the upside is that. There's a lot less pollution but also means as a lot less activity going on and that is now spreading out around the world. Everyone thought it was going to be a reasonable sort of year in terms of economic growth the US China trade tensions calm down that when things pretty hunky Dory if unspectacular how vulnerable is the global economy because the epidemiologists are so uncertain about how far the viruses spread. The economists started off predicting very small total global economic impacts but those a growing pretty much by the day. We're now seeing pretty large effects. Go think the CDs is the best focused for the global economy. We we've had so far. They say that if it stays pretty limited said limited as to China and parts of Southeast Asia then the knock on effect on the global economy would be to take off half percent in twenty twenty percentage point off growth so to put four not two point nine percent but if it spreads much further than the two point nine could easily Hav and go to one point five or so. That's where we roughly on that is a reasonable for cost range at but as easy to get if this spreads much further there we're GonNa hit contraction touch the grabble economy and I think one thing you need to remember is one hundred percent we even to put. Four percents of the global economy does really put us in the zone. Way You talk about global recession because eight eight in the ten percent smallest levels of growth in any sort of reasonable historical period. And so if it's in that sort of button tenth of echo performance than we are talking really about to grab her recession and two point. Five percent of growth is whether the IMF likes to talk about recession. Does this crisis hit a weak spot? How damaging do you think it will be in terms of corporate debt levels and government at levels? Is it catching a time when the world is really quite indebted yes? I don't think this is one of the worries. The second round affects the if we have a short at shop down then we get over the corona virus problem and things get back to normal within. Yes you could knock activity off twenty twenty growth and is not the end of the world and it doesn't have lasting knock on effects. This is your classic v-shape recession shop down by shop up once the crisis posts. Not that much Tom Dunn. Everyone's lost a bit of money. But you can make a bit up where that gets more worrying than spreads into something more insidious in more longer lasting such stock companies that we find lots of worries in the global economy if he'd have to reach him in the IMF global financial reports tonight concerns about the levels of corporate debts in the world. More than than others venture. I read quite a lot of the cage since the financial crisis a decade ago companies have looted themselves up with the more that though Poke its vulnerability and those pockets is on the busy if that hit by a short cashback program that content short cashman from something. Massively more serious. So this is why. We're seeing lots of central banks policymakers old trying to make sure that banks full close that there's full balance of that that we don't have this little second round where a short term problem terms into something more serious but I think we're saying with things likeness small case globally but in the UK. On Thursday we see Flyby a small regional carrier which was in trouble anyway. Will that's going on because it's the straw that broke the camel's back and I think you'll see that with other companies as we move into this crisis particularly begins to lost a long time that companies web banks will pretty worried about finances anyway while this poopie the loss tool. So let's look a bit more. What policymakers are doing the? Us Federal Reserve came out with a half percentage point. Emergency Rate Cut. Will others follow suit? And why haven't we already seen them do this together? Well I think this is really interesting. It's partly because they're pretty much out of AMMO. So central banks outside the feds have got interest rates either at zero below zero the European case the case or very close to the UK case. And it's just much harder to get coordination where you have a loss of monetary space and in the European world. There's a lot of debate about what exactly is right. And so these things can't be done immediately like they were in October. Two thousand eight hundred. I was pretty much a half point cut around the world on the eighth of October member. That didn't save the world. Then lieven happened a week later but it was seen as a forceful moment. This was much more of a script because there was a g seven cool. The appears to be quite a bit of coordination between central banks beforehand. But actually in the end they couldn't agree a coordinated policy action doesn't seem that the Fed's decision to cut its main policy rate was actually communicated on my kohls those people didn't know in terms of finance ministries of what was just about to happen and so instead we got a line Statements saying governments will take all appropriate actions and we then go loop like uncoordinated. Fed costs a few hours later and it felt a little bit of a mess. I'm not so markets interpreted it so instead of galvanizing markets and making them feel that the authorities had a grip on the situation and work with us on shock and awe tactics instead. It felt all a little bit uncoordinated and panicky opinions very divided as well On. What kind of impact? This assistance from central banks can have you know there are some sort of old time as with almost kind of gut instinct to oppose zero interest rates or extremely low interest rates negative interest rates. Who just think this is a waste of time. It's going to do more harm than good. And then there's another school of thought that says well they may as well go ahead of the problem. What harm does it do? May as well try and stop stress in financial conditions before they start. How's that debate shaping up being well? I think it's it's one of those debates where you can take a textbook view and say is this a supply shock or is this a demand shock. Central BANKS CANNOT RESPOND TO SUPPLY SHOCK. Newsom central bankers last week. Saying exactly that. And then you have to get into the real world and say well we don't really know it's bit of both now trailing nobody thinks low interest rates will reopen schools. Governments have insisted enforced by law to shop down. But what they can do is they can host confidence and they can attempt to mean that these supply shock issues where things are just not allowed to happen then morph into people running for the hills and not spending to create an even further problem so is attempt to affect the second round the first round of this crisis. We know that it's going to be economic harm. Caused by the current hires but he wanted to turn a witty rather important a nasty health and economic problem in to a self sustaining crisis that feeds off itself and that is where policies really trying to intervene. And this is what are you also saying. A lot of suggestive action to help banks for bad loans to stop. Companies have sudden drops in that incomes. Go bankrupt all that stuff that is temporary targeted on that. Sadler more policy in that space I would thought says something targeted the day-to-day needs of smaller companies. Yes and then we might if this gets more serious and it might than we might. Well start to see big fiscal actions because again. Now there's the temporary stuff to stop and crop seeds and to stop people who've suffering temporary problems but if this means everyone panics and no one spins a tool then you have a big confidence crisis and you'll have a self sustaining and potentially vicious circle and that's why you might need government to step in as essentially the spender of last resort to keep activity going. That's why we're not in that stage yet but this depends entirely on both the epidemiology. How quickly and how extensively the virus spreads at also behavioral response. How do people respond to this? And do they all talk about simaltaneously which we know from economic says if they do that we have a much bigger problem but we just don't know with a That's one of the interesting wrinkle from all. This is the issue of whether the Fed has jumped in specifically to calm market volatility. And the kind of moral hazard that some people think this spits out so every time the markets have a wobble the central banks there and is that healthy. I mean how much do you think? Market volatility in of itself is an input into central bank decisions. If what don it doesn't pay to be may be more than you would like absolutely dealt with more has to rule the roost. He don't want people to think we can take any risk. We like because in the end if we make a big mistake do something silly. The Fed will come to the rescue. All other central banks and that the Fed's not in any way unaware of this problem and is fully aware but it has difficult tradeoff. Does it do nothing? Even though a knows that maybe interest rate reductions might help alleviate an economic problem. Because it doesn't want to give markets the impression that this there is a permanent backstop. Or do you take action move again knowing that this might give the impression that the Fed is going to try and rectify any problems that exist in markets every time. And you know it's just very difficult and I think the Fed. They understand this problem and they would have felt. Actually the the economic situation is serious enough that they have to take action are think the Fed will be horrified. If it got into position way always had to put a brake on any market foles innocence. They've got no good options and they may as well do the one thing that they think might help yes. I think that's exactly what I did. And that's what they said that the you need to second guess this they felt it was important was necessary. Could help not so much for market. So that didn't help. Mockus markets foul. A day happened but might help for the wider economy. Both companies that was stressed of households encourage people to spend and then not superheroes. Central Bankers Equate keen to point out the tools on as powerful as sometimes guess we think monetary policy does work in stimulating spending. But it often doesn't work quickly and so these tools that they should use have learned to use quite effectively but no one should take. This means that I won't be recession. If the forces both the virus and human behavior means that people want to stop spending than we are definitively going into a recession. Well thanks Chris and thanks for listening. Remember if you missed our previous episodes on Donald Trump's influence over the US judiciary India's big brother State all the role of Antarctica and regulates the oceans you can subscribe and listen on all the usual platforms.

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96: The Sun Rising

The Slowdown

05:21 min | 1 year ago

96: The Sun Rising

"Pay. I'm Jennifer lie. The producer of the slowdown each weekday. We're here for you with a new poem and a new perspective. We rely on you to make that possible. This April celebrate national poetry month by making the slowdown happen support. The show you love today at slowdown show dot org slash donate. I'm US poet laureate, Tracy case Smith, and this is the slowdown. Most days. My alarm wakes me at five thirty eight that gives me a whole ninety minutes to go to the gym or work on slowdown episodes before my kids wake up for school. Because once they wake up all five of us are thrust into the mad weekday rush chased along by the ticking clock, but weekend mornings are different weekends afford us to magical days, where if we're lucky my husband, and I can lie in bed an extra few hours just blissfully being honestly, it feels like a form of time travel where we're permitted to revisit the early days of our relationship days when we had it now seems nothing but time to do whatever we pleased, of course, those time machine more. Innings only last for so long inevitably they give way to the scampering of footsteps down the hall that leads to our bedroom. And then the bed is full with the five of us, and we're a family again flipping pancakes tying shoelaces and venturing out into whatever kid centered activity the day holds. I recognize the Sunday morning version of myself and my husband in today's poem, the sun rising by metaphysical poet, John done were there in the speakers wish to push back the days, relentless sun and guard a little more time to spend undisturbed with the one. He loves the speaker wakes up vexed chastising the sun for trying to rouse him and his lover from bed. Busy old fool. He calls the sun essentially telling him where he can stick his rays of light. Because when you're in love nothing the day promises could be better than holding the one you love in your arms reality. Of course is different. The sun. Does what the sun does no matter what one's wishes may be the same can be said of ones. Children. The sun rising by John. Dunn busy old fool, unruly, son. Why does thou us through windows and through curtains? Call on us must to they motions lovers seasons. Run saucy pedantic wretch, go chide late schoolboys and sour practices. Go. Tell court huntsmen that the king will ride call country. Ants to harvest offices, love all alike. No season knows nor climb nor hours days months, which are the rags of time they beams so Reverend and strong. Why should south think I coulda clips and cloud them with a wink. But that I would not lose her sight so long if her eyes have not blinded vine look and tomorrow late. Tell me whether both the India's of spice and mine be where thou left's them or lie here with me ask for those kings, whom thou sauced yesterday, and now shalt here all here in one bed lay. She's all states and all princes. I nothing else is princes do but play us compared to this all honors mimic, all wealth, alchemy thou son, art half as happy as we in that the world's contracted thus vine age asks es and since I do dis be to warm the world that's done. In warming us shine here to us and now art everywhere this bed. Vice center is these walls by severe. The slowdown is a production of American public media in partnership with the library of congress and the poetry foundation.

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3 Conversations, Disciples Making Disciples: Your Life As Ministry

Sunday Homily

00:00 sec | 2 months ago

3 Conversations, Disciples Making Disciples: Your Life As Ministry

"This is the third and final week of our series three conversations, disciples making disciples. Two weeks ago, we spoke about intentional prayer praying with intentions is a type of conversation with God and with others. We name our intentions out. Loud. Others named their intentions out. Loud. That way we talked to God, and we take some time to listen to God talking and listening that's conversation. That's prayer. We asked you to continue to practice intentional prayer. Practice, praying with your family and close friends this way asking them to name a thing for which they want you to pray. Last week we discussed sharing your faith with someone else. That's our second conversation. Sharing our faith can be simple and easy. Don't make it too complicated. Start with someone with whom you are comfortable. Tell them a little about your life story and how or why God is important to you. When you look back on your life. Where there are some times where you now recognize that God was telling you something or pointing you in a direction. was there a time when going to church seem very meaningful to you and why? was there a time when your heartfelt particularly moved and you felt very close to God's son Jesus. We're often so quick to share good news with others like our favorite sports team winning we discover a great restaurant and we want to share that. We go on a great vacation and we just can't wait to tell our friends about that experience. Or? Maybe you are in love and you want to share that experience with others. If I can share those experiences, surely I can find it within myself to share how much God loves me and how much God loves you. So we also encouraged you to practice that type of conversation. Practice with people around whom you are comfortable family and friends then try it with someone outside your closest circle. When we step outside of our comfort zones and prayed with others. Others we have not prayed with or share our story around those with whom we have not shared it. We are doing what? Jesus. Told US do. We are making disciples. It really is as simple as having those two conversations. Today we're looking at the third conversation. We want to help you see how you can or already do witness the faith to people in your life. If one works or volunteers for the Church often referred to that person's work as ministry. For example we. Have our music ministry and. Our Children's. Ministry All who are involved in those ministries helped to minister to others. As you minister in those ways, you're giving witness to what you believe and our faith by the way you love and serve others. However you do not need to be an official minister or belonged to a group in the parish who ministers to others in for you to be a minister. The word minister comes from a Latin word that means servant. We are all ministers in that we all serve in many different capacities. All of us here are ministers in one way or another because we all serve in one way or another. Not, all of us will have the privilege to be paid to work in ministry. Many priests deacons. Dunn's different ministers on Sundays, and children's ministers are never paid for the work they do. Your ministry does not come from a job title or from a paycheck signed by a church. It comes from God giving us his work and his son. The biggest ministry you will ever have is the life you live. So. How is your life and ministry? You may not feel qualified to tell people about Jesus. He might not believe you're able to bring someone closer to God, but you are qualified and you are able to bring someone closer to God. Every day when you go to work, you show people what life is like living alongside Jesus. Through your joy in your persistence and trials while you're caring or thoughtful. Each moment of your life becomes a testament and they testimony for God as soon as you walk out of the door, each and every morning. If you have children the way you treat your kids shows them how their heavenly father loves them. The way you care for your spouse shows them how God cares for his creation. None of these things require a job title or a paycheck. A role on a staff or a church to give you the authority to do it. God give you the Authority when he sent his son to die on the cross for you. All you have to do is keep reflecting him in the way you live. Your Life. Don't wait for a microphone or a special moment. Don't expect someone to ask you to lead or give you a specific opportunity to share. Let your life be docile instead. Ministry is not about a time or place or job description. It's a heart felt willingness to respond to the spiritual need that God put in your path anytime anyplace. This certainly includes participation in church type stuff, but it must be far more. We must view every dimension of our lives as a forum, a forum, for Ministry, a forum of service. Marriages Ministry parenting is ministry friendship is ministry. Living with neighbors as ministry work is ministry. Life is ministry and Ministry is life. When we divide our existence into two separate parts ministry or life. Which one gets the short end of the stick. Guess which one has to get by on your leftover time. Your Leftover Energy, your leftover finances and your leftover. Passion. If you see ministry is something that you do when you step outside of your life that is when the church has programmed and scheduled some form of ministry for you. Than, the vast majority of your life is yours to us just for you. But the Bible. Teaches the reverse of those priorities. It challenges us with the reality that nothing we have belongs to us. We don't have a life divided into God's part or our part. It's all God's part the whole thing. You are not your own for you were bought with a price. 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#161: Enter the Shyamalaniverse, Pt. 2 - Glass

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#161: Enter the Shyamalaniverse, Pt. 2 - Glass

"Between the past. Leads or someone out of the pass. Antoon take -sition of living. We may be through with the path is not through with us. Welcome back to the next picture show movie of the week podcast to a classic film in the way, it shaped her thoughts recent release. I'm Scott Tobias here again with Genevieve Caskey Tosh Robinson, and our last sewed we discussed m night shamans. Idiosyncratic superhero thriller unbreakable now Shamlan has reunited with Bruce Willis and Samuel Jackson for glass, the inclusion of east rail one seventy seven trilogy, wait a trilogy. You ask. I thought this was shamans first film with Willis Jackson together since the year two thousand oh, no, no, my friend. Here's the deal shovel on made a hit movie a couple years ago called split about a guy named Kevin Wendell crumb AK the horde played by James McEvoy who suffers from dissociate identity disorder and as twenty three separate identities on top of that. Some of those identities affect physiological change within him making him powerful and dangerous. In addition. To being emotionally unstable and on top of all that Kevin has hidden twenty-fourth identity called the beast. That's basically like an evil hooked out zoo animal at the end of split. We get a shot of Bruce Willis as David Dunn, aka the overseer which brings him and by extension Samuel Jackson's Elijah, aka Mr. glass into the same cinematic universe glass brings all of them together in an asylum. It opens with David trying to free four cheerleaders from the beast. But both of them are captured by the authorities in thrown into the same institution. David's nemesis. Mr. glass has resided since he was caught the end of unbreakable at the institution, Dr L staple. Played by Sarah Paulson is working hard to suppress their superpowers, but Mr. glasses still evil mastermind and the overseer is still a brooding hero. And the beast is still demented wildcard and the dynamic between the three proves impossible to contain. Because that is how comic books work. All the action builds to potential showdown the gleaming new Asaka ability downtown Philadelphia where arch freon could be expected to fight the trilogy ending battle royale. Or maybe m night Shyamalan has another trick sleeve will have spoiler filled discussion about it after the break. The three of us convinced yourselves to have extrordinary gifts like something out of a comic book. David done, the only person to survive that train wreck all those years ago when he do insecurity. You think you have superpowers feeling vision to touch you believe you are a protector. I name is Patricia. I have no question. There are two dozen identities. Mary Reynolds senior. That live in that body with you be common any minute now for you. Why what I am questioning is your belief that you are something more than human. And yet it is true. My boat's break as head ninety four breaks by you having struck mary-anne q. This is not a cartoon. This is the real world now way. And yet some of us still don't die with bullets. Some of us can still been steel. Been waiting for the world to see that we assess. This. May I meet the beast. For your sake that Alexia that sounds like the bed teaming. A lot of people are going to don't do. You ready? What do we call USA? I may Mr. last night. Hey, so we're back talking about this film. We've been we've all been waiting nineteen years to see. I was just on tent or at the end of unbreakable during about win the final chapter in the east rail one seventy seven trilogy come okay, all that said when I was in the theater watching split. And at the end of the movie, we got that shot of David done. My theater went bat poop crazy people people were definitely after that movie was over or really antipated this and as much as might miss your watch the with the dumbest. That's that's a horrible thing out of joy out of it part of that crowd. Dedicate this episode to the people possible, that's really so the irate listener who like emailed us couple years ago writing just do split. You cowards. Supposed to do split with us coward. I don't think. Psycho did psycho though. We're supposed to split and something else you. Three inch with favorite connections favorite. We're all dancing around saying. We thought trouble genitive, you seemed like you really were in this. I was angry at when I was I was angry that I had spent two hours of my my life at this hacky boring film, like my biggest gripe this movie, and I had a lot of them. It just all adds up to something felts. Oh and nerd and boring. I watching ninety minutes of Sarah Paulson talking and then thirty minutes of parking lot fight. We should we should specify before we go any further. Like, Scott said, this is going to be spoiler filled. We we really need to lay out too. Not not just you know, the inevitable Shamlan. What are the twists? But there are things. There's so many things in this movie that we can't discuss without inherently giving stuff away. So you should really not be listening to this podcast. If you're spoiler verse. And you haven't seen them. I mean, we're we're recording this before it actually comes out. It's projected to make like all the money this weekend. So presumably anybody who's listening to this has seen our podcast will do what we really? Ever see glasses? Donning this podcast. We do what we wanted. We don't care what the critics offensive about it. It's it's light. It's part of our part of her thing. Anyway, would do spoiler discussions do spoiler discussions. It's just that like sometimes if I respect the twist and a movie, I tend to try to dance around it in this case, it's not so much. There's one big twisty must not know as like discussing the second half of the movie at all is like there's almost everything interesting about this movie comes out of stuff that you expect to happen. And it goes off in another direction like discussing at least half of this movie is inherently spoiler because it keeps offering things it's never planning on giving you so just consider yourself warned. Okay, tasha. I wanna hear what you thought because you said after the screen that you liked it more than you were expecting to. I was expecting the load. Okay. Like having having really not liked unbreakable. Just the the idea of more of. But this time of payoff for the fan. Like just did not excite me. And I thought split was interesting for the most part. And then I thought it went into just a really really hacky direction. So when you wondered when powers activate two things I didn't care for all that much into something that's meant to be like a gigantic payoff for fans of both of them. I was expecting to really hate it. I was just felt very detached. Most of it just kind of played out away that seemed to me like we'll yes, of course, that is what they would do. Well, yes that is that is as expected. All right. And I kept waiting to be surprised or intrigued kept waiting for something that wasn't just kind of plotting predictable thing imaginable. And in the end, I got that in the form of we're not we're going to claim we're going to do something big and important, and we're actually not gonna do anything. And then the big twists. Of the movie are basically, screw you. If you care about any of this. So we can we can get into like if nothing else it had me going for for parts it where I was just like what is the story here. Who are we meant to care about? What is the direction of this like is there anybody in this film that were actually host to care about? And will that emerge at some point? That was what kept me walking through the movie. And then at the end the reveals that we get are both so clumsily handled and so- dour and sour and sad. I just I walked out of the movie just feeling like not like somebody had shot, my puppy. But like somebody had shown me a pitcher of puppy and said, maybe you might get a puppy later. And then put a fist through the puppy pitcher like for fun a shallow pool. The whole film kind of feels like a an act of clumsy choreographed. Nihilism Scott can't top that. Well, I would say that. I haven't glass or like. I I don't have that kind of. Had we sent you. Oh my God. I very strongly not a fan of the film split. And and think that McEvoy is terrible. And almost everyone. So I hope to get like I can rank I can do like a ranking of most to least annoying of I'll probably know us number one. But what's number two knowing number one, most headway, of course. Patricia paul. Okay. So the ones we see the most of. Dennis after that. Maybe not the piece is worse than Dennis anyway. But he's when are you doing your your rancor dot com initial there's all twenty four personalities ranked? Well, he does like five or something five or six though, the whole scene where any Taylor joy has like sit there while he go like dying going there every single one of his stupid. That's what I mean. Like the too much gene, you thought split did a whole lot with the personality, and you give them all to you in rapid succession with bright blinding lights in between and the cash she had this this movie does need an epilepsy. Warning. It's just okay. So glass. This is your suggestion Scott. I'm just gonna put. Well, first of all, you know, I thought unbreakable as substantial film, we're talking about nice still feel that that is the case though, I guess my. Significantly higher than y'all's. And so I was hopeful for this because it's the style. It's the Shamlan style that I keep coming back to and hoping is going to be good. And they're they're actually select shots and sequences in this movie where we get a lot of the old magic, but not nearly enough. But this film took all of the stuff that I disliked in unbreakable, the title sequences, and then put it right of the dialogue and then had had all that play out. So we had to get this verbalised deconstruction of the comic book, and how comic books work specifically limited additions yet. Which which I which I told is completely wrong note, every people who know anything about comic books or saying he doesn't he doesn't know what he's talking about. Which is really a term that is used to describe a specific editions? Yeah. Maybe one off is kind of what they were what they were getting at was crossover. Some. Kind of special crossover story are. Yeah. But but just to have Sarah Paulson have to explain all that stuff, Mr. glass. That's all he does is explain stuff. And and then Bruce Willis is just total non presence in movie. I don't even know. I literally don't remember anything that he does in the movie except drought drowned. Now, he doesn't wanna be there. You know, who does want to be there? Spencer treat Clark. He is happy to be in this movie. I feel. Yeah. I enjoyed both that performance in that care. I mean, I'm not really saying that to to slag Cam like in terms of investments, his performance felt the most like connected to the movie itself. I guess like James McEvoy. I mean, he seems really happy to be there. That's he's he's really exercising every possible acting muscle. He's gone do Ana talk about that. Because like, I don't hate it. I don't I don't hate it the way you seem to to hate it. So we own split say that that. Oems device. Got split. But it's it's just a little I don't own a physical copy. I still can't believe you throw away. Your your screener your awards scream they say to destroy him. So James back performance. Like what I'm saying? In the first half Shamlan just always does too much. But rarely does it to the point where it's like fun. I think that hord character is an example of it being fun. Like, I find it entertaining. It's definitely too much. It gets grading over time. But I think because McEvoy just seems to be so invested in it, and it's just so weird that I kind of like it at heart. But I do get very sick of it over the course of this movie. I feel like there's too much of it. And it's often overwritten, but I'm endlessly impressed by James McEvoy, changing his physical and verbal language so profoundly that you can tell every single time. He's he's changed characters. Like, I find that act of. Expressive overdone chameleon ship to be I mean, it definitely tastes like a reaching for an Oscar with most acting rather than best acting. But I still really enjoy it. I it's it's difficult to take to some degree because Hedwig is so annoying listening to that lisp that can't says and roller skates. And but he's also just he's an annoying personality. You know, the personality that shows up to to mock the terrified cheerleaders her about the die is not a personality want to spend time with and yet. It's the personality we spend the most time with a our apart from the beast. So I wish there was like a lot less of him, but not necessarily less McEvoy. I feel like you're underrating like what he accomplishes here. So I just I all those all those voices are pretty broad. I don't think there's a lot of the difference. I think we can tell the differences between them because they're because he over does every. So maybe Dennis. Maybe I don't remember what? Dennis sounds like. But yeah, I'm not gonna try to do my own versions of Patricia. But no one, you know. It's interesting to me that those characters though, are so big and broad and exaggerated and overdone. You can always tell when he goes back to Kevin who is defined by the absence of all of that. And just seems like a person and it makes Kevin unappealing presence because he's not everything all of his other personalities are and given that this movie asks us to believe that Taylor joy came out of all of this in love with Kevin. Oh, my God that character. I'm so I'm so angry because I really like on your dealer joy. What is that character? And I was pretty fascinated by with by her in split and just her the degree to which she basically trauma superpower, you know, having been through a trauma. She came out of it with a tool kit that she uses survivor. She's it's like she's the final girl from a previous previous movie who is. Not fazed by the monster. This time around, you know, this is Halloween too. She's already been through Halloween one. She's not as scared as all the people who like haven't been in a previous version what this movie does with her. I'm just I'm baffled by it. It's like Laurie strode just kinda going. You know, you know, who is really kind to me. Michael myers. I want to spend time with him at everybody else's expense. I think that's a really bold and interesting choice. It's just yet. Again, not one that the film justifies or can possibly make me believe in. I kind of like the structure that we end up with where there are these three characters carried over from other films that are you know, the heroes and the villains the big outsized characters. But each one of them has their little shadow character alleges mom, David Davidson and on you Taylor. Joyce character. You know, the each have these peripheral people to whom they mean a lot even if the audience doesn't like these CARA. Actors you're still given the understanding that they've had an impact on the world. And there are people that love them and the way the movie moves in the direction of these characters are two outside to be in this world. And we're going to end up with you know, the leftovers of the people that have their memories, I thought that was an interesting choice. Plus you set up you sit up the next movies with. I mean, you do kinda need those characters to be around at the end to like give any sort of Addis factory emotional payoff because you're the three characters you spend the most time with are closer to the stupid building suckling that just feels like such a giant troll. Like like did did. I miss some sort of explanation. It was just misdirection Mr. glasses party never actually intended for them to end up at the soccer. I don't think ended that. Because he he didn't have cameras everywhere there that he had control of the whole idea of them when he first laid out the plan like you guys are gonna go fight at the top of this building. My first thought was giant crowds aren't going to see you on top of the building. Well, there's a whole thing with like an also chemical company works there. And there's one point during like his overnight machinations where he's like tip. Ping away at a computer. And I guess he was that's when he was setting up the video stream, but I took that to mean, maybe on purpose that he was doing something to release chemicals or some sort of evil comic book villain scheme involving the sock building. So maybe that's also misdirection. I think that's deliberate. Mr. I think you're not meant to know what he's doing there. But it is putting the clues out in plain sight. So you can have that that, you know, clean flashback to all of the pieces were in place. You just didn't recognize them at the time. I think my problem is less that we don't get to the fireworks factory. So to speak with the building. It's that we end up in a parking lot. Like to go back to you know, Scott's whole thing with style. This is just not a fun film to look at. I feel like, you know, it has a lot of these sort of showy shots lot of the sort of hundred eighty degree vertical pans thing that we get in breakable and lots and lots of MIR shots, you know, but a whole bunch of hero Cam where the heroes are the cameras are physically on people's bodies. As the fight choreography is really strange with the rap alling feel so bloom house the whole trick. But it doesn't it doesn't work. Like, it doesn't have any. So I don't find it like scarier unsettling or exciting at all to just like have a close up on Bruce Willis his face while he's getting squeezed, really hard. Like, it's part of the whole boring amalgam that is this movie, but real quick on the style front. I have a question of tasha style question. But it's about a stylistic flourish rather than. A narrative one but to go back to the whole mirror shots thing. There's one shot. It's just a quick scene of Sarah Paulson like walking to her car through the rear view mirror of a car. And I don't think anything else happens in it. Why is that seeing their why are we just showing her walking to her car? Is it just as show at through a mirror? Maybe something in the film is because it's it's it's it's a scene that doesn't do anything. Like, it's the kind of thing that you're of course, gonna forget because nothing happens in it. But it's framed in the really like through a rear view mirror, and it's kind of tricky Shah, and it just feels like so quintessentially like Shamlan at his worse. Like, I'm going to do something flashy, and grabbing no Reese, maybe there's a small girl in the car. It's from her point of view, but you don't actually get the reverse shot to reveal that. But it's a secret. I'm willing to admit I may have missed something in that. While I was rolling my eyes completely focused on the scene. So I'm answer for you. Because I don't remember that specific shot. I really just wanted to bring it up because it encapsulates like why I get really annoyed with some of his flashier moments. As director there's a lot about Sarah Paulson's role in this film that I don't understand. His head come across audio. So there's a lot about her character that only really makes sense in order to have somebody there for X position. And there's a lot about the setup such as the you only have three days to do this that only makes sense in terms of putting completely arbitrary deadline on the movie to ramp up the stakes. I guess it's a lot of what goes on with your character. I guess isn't well justified and his very clumsy, but sort of makes sense in terms of like we're trying to speed this along and give it some urgency. What makes no sense to me is that when David done is being murdered. She halts his murder for a moment to make it clear to him that once she sat in a restaurant for a really long time waiting for people who aren't part of her secret society. She's trying to communicate in that moment. I think is meant to be I'm sorry that you have to die. We did it for a purpose. And we mean, well, what comes across? Instead is you're not going to survive this. But here's some information. That's gonna make it worse for you. Because, you know, this group of controlling people is going to do exactly what you've dedicated your life to stopping they're going to continue murdering more people. And there's nothing you can do about it now die, and the fact that this is presented as some sort of lake act of kindness or mercy to me is just yet. Another indication that I'm I just don't feel like shown understand human beings. If it had been written or constructed differently better. I think Sarah Paulson could have brought it across like, I don't think she's bad here. Like, she has a certain she liked projects vulnerability when you can tell she has a steely center. In a way that I think works with this character. But the way dialogue is just scared exposition machine. And I think there's only so much performance can do fix. It's unfortunate for her. This is she's kind of playing the role that you expect to Jackson. Samuel Jackson was the one in breakable who is telling you how everything works in the roles. Everyone wants to play what elements of comic books are what in a lot of that as been shifted over to Sarah pulse it here, and it's just torture. It's so much of it. There's just so much explaining what every little thing is. And I don't think it's a luminated at all. And it's it's very false. I mean, it was was that way breakable too. When it was a psych. Okay. This is now things are established your hero. And I am the arch villain, and this is in this is how these things work, and it's very it was strange to see somebody living their lives like like. Aesthetic concepts rather than people. But, but this is that times ten I mean, there's just it's so painful to watch her have to go through all Joe through all this explanation. And then all the business about the secret society and her standing up at restaurants that are apparently just packed with secret society members their secret society, the bartenders apparently part of this society outsiders, and then just sort of like, wait for a moment where all the outsiders have finished dinner and left, which is to such a weird mechanic, which would never work. See everybody just like sitting there watching that one couple that won't finish up like eating their damn pizza and they finally start and then like a new couple walks in. And everybody's just like, oh, we're gonna have another hour and a half for this meeting. They're probably looking the people are this secret society. Probably looking around saying these people are not even like dinners sitting around for everybody. Keep watching us in grown in when we order, new drinks. Just the mechanics of it all, and it's all it's that style without substance thing. It's all in service of that moment, where somebody walks out the door and everything goes, quiet and somebody's like, you know, we're alone. Now, it's a cool moment. And it kind of like tries to feed your personal paranoia that everybody else in the world is in on some secret that you're not in on it just makes no damn sense as as a mechanic is a way of operating, and it's it's one of those things that's like this is great as long as you're not thinking about it at all. Well. We're gonna. A bit more. And and really ponder the east rail one seventy seven trilogy after break. We'll talk more about unbreakable glass. Ineffective treatment for this. The light will force different identity to take. One my headphones back working controls. Now, it's time for connections. When we bring these two films together, let's say split we bring the three foams together. Now, we'll talk about and and talk about all the things they have in common. One idea is the notion of free will vs termination because in unbreakable. It's all about characters who have to come to terms with the roles. They are faded to play glasses may be some different ideas about that. I think that glass opens up the possibility of change, you know, maybe this is something that split kind of brought on as well in the the beast in this idea of transformation there is this opening for roles to change and for people to do perhaps different things in this one. It's not as it doesn't seem like you're just putting the pieces into place in glasses much as you are and unbreakable. Maybe I'm wrong about that my wrong about that. Now, I think an interesting idea that. Glass kind of brings to the fore is with that Sarah Paulson character and the endless exposition of her picking apart. All the reasons they they might not be superheroes in like finding ways to inject doubt and into their their identities. I think with the David done character in this, you know, maybe projecting a little bit. 'cause I don't know the personals like does a whole lot to earn. This interpretation with that performance. But I think like you do see maybe a slight bit of temptation on his part of India that he may not be faded to do this. This may not be something that the universe has determined for him. And that he is in fact chosen for himself, and he could by extension. Choose not to do that feels like a direct link to unbreakable which is so much about David allowing himself to be convinced and convincing himself that this is. The person he is. And this is what he is faded to do. So I think last sort of faints at the idea of reversing that in an interesting way. But then as tasha put it just comes to this nihilist ending word alternately doesn't do anything. None of it matters. It's interesting to me that both of these movies are so rooted in self doubt. I mean, the whole plot breakable is kicked off by alleged doubting. Whether he has a purpose, whether he's a mistake, and the, you know, his payoff in the end is saying you exist, therefore, I'm not a mistake. His doubts have been resolved. David's doubts were resolved. When he he goes and performs an act of arguable, but also still very nihilist akara wisdom, given that you know, two of the people he goes to save her dead, and he has to murder somebody to save them. It's all very dark and depressing and minimal but still they both engage in indecisive acts of trying to act on what they believe they are. And that's. How the film resolves is like we've we've both taken steps. The fact that glass revolves so much around. Injecting doubt back into the narrative is part of what makes it so inert for me. Because it opens with you know, the horde is also questioning himself. You know, the beast has come out and it didn't change the world. It wasn't this gigantic revelation for everyone maybe the beef business powerful as the horde thought. So there's also that question of doubt. But he's acting on it. He's kidnapped girls. And there's a like a confrontation with stakes. Are we going to find the girls and time once we do we have to fight the horde, you know, this is a very conventional kind of superhero face off. And in the process, we see that the horde has powers, and we see that David has powers, and we see that he's acting as a superhero and then have the middle act be about. We'll maybe none of that is actually trade. Maybe none of the stuff that the audience just saw an experienced an enjoy. Is true. A real. That's not a question that you can engage with as an audience member. It's just like a good forty five minutes of yet. Remember that stuff that you may be liked what if you didn't actually watch any of that? I think if we hadn't gotten the beast crawling on the ceiling, you could maybe maybe maybe get away with teasing out the idea that these are just two really strong guys convention four hundred fifty pounds, or whatever, you know. But the fact that we see like actual superhuman behavior at that point. Just totally like you say negates, the exercise of entertaining this notion and makes it really really frustrating. But to go back to the idea of free will vs determination. It's interesting to me that of this lake trifecta, you have one person David Dunn slash overseer that you would slot as a hero. And then to that you would probably slot more as villains. But. As the movies, Sarah, Paulson character kinda takes pains to point out like your neither you're both. It's it's all what you do. But anyway, both of those villainous characters the horde and Mr. glass, have traumatic childhoods. It comes down to something bad happen to them or they had a very bad condition. Put on them in childhood, and that is a direct link to who they aren't allies. There's even there's even a line. I think Spencer treat Clark's character says something about like, it's all about the parents. You know, it all comes it all comes back to the parents. So feels like the implication is that like if you have a bad childhood or like, Mr. glasses mom is actually a very good mom, but he he does have this very traumatic circumstance that he is in in all the very painful injuries that have come from it David done to my recollection doesn't have anything like that in his past that has the car crash, but I'm not entirely convinced. He has. A path or from kind of hiccup of he was high school football star. And then quit. Yeah. So I don't know there seems to be like some wonky thinking here in terms of like trauma turns you into a villain. I guess I don't think it's trauma turns you into a villain. I think it's trauma makes you more relatable villain, which is something. We've seen a lot of in in narratives in the over the past couple of decades because I think that there's a there's a progressive idea that somebody who does bad acts like you have to look back into why they did them. You can't prevent the next generation of killers without considering what makes somebody a killer. You can't present prevent the next generation of any other kind of criminals without considering the environment. The people are being raised in that forces them into criminal life, and the causes are important. I don't think that looking at a given criminal and saying this person had a really traumatic background is saying anybody with a really traumatic background will. But. It's a way of understanding them and here, ultimately, I feel like it's not saying that they're they're in a deterministic state where they were inevitably going to become villains. It's positing them both as people who need to be rescued, and I feel like Anya Taylor. Joyce character does keep trying to rescue Kevin. And in the end. There's there's just the slightest sense that he's relieved to be being let out of the existence Mr. glass is still fighting his demons and in the end, he feels like he's accomplished something. So like both of them are trying to overcome this hideous background and their present selves in order to have some form of catharsis at the end. And I would argue that they both get it. It's just such a sad and meaningless catharsis, given everything that's come before it. But it's interesting that he does break them out a little bit in that respect. So someone who was saying that they thought the three characters were perhaps opposed to. B o and soup. I saw that it would make a little more sense. If the horrid wasn't already all of those things, and then a whole bunch more. It depends. What about Patricia whereas traditional wanna I wanna loop back a little bit to Sarah Paulson in terms of free will I guess I am baffled by the sequence where she brings the three of them together to interact right because that is a therapeutic method that has been used in some very interesting cases, it brought up for me, the three Christ of zloty in the movie that was made out of it relatively recently where there were three psychiatric patients who are convinced. They were Jesus Christ. And a psychiatrist brought them together and had them interact because they kind of counteracted each other's delusions. I feel like maybe that's what they're what Shemona's trying to do with those sequences. But once again, it's an idea that doesn't develop it's like putting them together in the same space might let them feed either each other's confidence or each. Others doubt. But instead we just kind of get this like weird sort of circular banter yet because you've set up those characters in a way that they can't interact in any useful way light like Mr. glasses presented to us at that point in the film is catatonic. He's not talking. David dunn's. Nada talker. He no end Kevin slash the hord is how how do you interact or how do you have a conversation with that? So the Sarah Paulson character put in the position of of like drying out what you're talking about. But just through her without any actual interaction between those characters that was showing up being very clumsy. Remember what I said to you earlier when we were alone. I'm gonna say it to you again now that we're here and it just feels repetitive. Like feel like she's trying to offer them a free will choice to doubt themselves constructively and walk away from this whole situation and instead in its up being this like weirdly deterministic, we're only here because. The narrative thought it would be interesting to watch these characters interact kind of thing also seem like it was just a staging conceit in search of a reason to exist narrative -ly to of just like the you want to see these three big characters from these movies share a space together, and that's going to that's going to bring a special kind of energy. And I don't think he really thought through howl that was gonna work things that is most lacking for me in this film, in terms of energy is any sense of Bruce Willis character making any kind of choice making any kind of change being any kind of dynamic character part of it is just a complete dead -ness of Bruce Willis's performances these days, I don't know what interests that man. But it just doesn't seem like being in films is one of them. And they apparently because he made a ton of money per day on this like most of the budget or something because the budgets only twenty million. But I think I think he was collect. Eating a pretty heavy part of that money. But but I don't think there's his performances virtually nonexistent. I can't remember anything. He doesn't this thing except die. Well here. Let's let's let's make Bruce Willis a connection. Actually, I'm going to do on the fly because how do you feel this compares to? 'cause I 'cause I mean like he's still operating at a pretty low register in breakable you need him to be. But, but when you're seeing when he's on screen for that long in the film itself is paste the way it is. And then that performance feels right for what the movies doing, you know, and it still feels really dead. I feel like the even breakable in unbreakable. I feel like there's that one sequence where his son pulls a gun on him to try to prove that he's a hero. That is an intense sequence because you can feel what's going on in at least two of those characters, Robin. Right. We're we may talk about. Women in these films because Robin rate is such a non entity and unbreakable despite being this kind of hanger on throughout a lot of it. But in that one scene the each have a motive, and it's a very intensified one. And it seems like all about the only time during the film, Bruce Willis, like really wakes up in his fully present and brings his like Krizman force personality to the fore, and it's all to try to shout down this kid who is in terrible danger of possibly murdering somebody, you know, and that one sequence just kinda shows that like he still there, but the rest of the film, I don't ever feel that kind of energy from him and certainly not in glass, generally, though, if you think about these two foams in comparison, you just their scenes in moments in breakable that just are so crystal in your mind, I saw glass the most most recently, I saw them all three in a row. And I and I remember by far the league. I I recall of glasses very really poor. Because it doesn't have that same sense of purpose. It's it's kind of throwing all these characters together. Putting a lot of comic book talk on top of it. You know, staging this absurd climax parking lot with like a tank, we'll take a water high. Why is the tank of water? They're empowered the water jets and David's room to keep him from escaping which was a kind of an early give giveaway that Sarah Paulson completely disingenuous about everything she claimed believe water jets 'cause there's no reason to have a like a super villain deathtrap to keep him in play. If she doesn't actually believe you superpowers, like, she says, you know, these are here because you're delusion says that you're you can't blah, blah, water, blah, blah. But if he didn't have superpowers they didn't need that there. And that's a tip off at everything. She sang a lie. Let's talk about the best part of any. Movie, and that's the women. Cast. Hit me. So so Robin Wright Penn still at this point. I think he was just rubbing right at this point. But you know, I say that I don't think I checked the credits. I think I was just looking uses call mean, she's not let's just say, Robin rights. I am db says as Robin Wright Penn. Maybe that's what she was. So morose. Ship was not great. No. I know she's once again in just that that thankless task of her only role in this film is just kind of a wet blanket being needy at him being sad at him being the reason that he gave up football. And now the reason that he feels unfulfilled in life. But then at the end of the movie like that moment that you called out where he shares that moment with his son to me that moment is I trust this. I don't know eight year old kid with my secret. But I definitely don't trust my wife with it. Yeah. And it just becomes this yet. Another thing that he's cutting her out of I once again, just don't believe in their relationship at all. But he looked so sad in in glass when he's looking at the back of someone who clearly isn't stove. Yeah. And then they pull the, oh, you're we sent your wife to a secret island where should be safe. And by that. I mean, she died in between movies that? Sparta enough to just not have the character there. All right. I'm sure I'm sure he tried to get her back. This real quick. Let's talk about the Shamal on cameo in. Oh, these films specially how it's handled in glass where it is not only the same character. But it's the same character who comments on himself in another time in my life. When I was what being a bed running drugs the stadium. I was I was running with a bad crowd. Let me tell you. So my point being I'm sure he tried to get Robin Wright involved in this. But she's like, no, I got Netflix money. Leave me alone. Or possibly United read a bedroll. Yeah. Exactly. Let me be involved. I mean, this is in no way unique to shamans movies. But he is particularly agreed perpetrator of the female character who only exists in relation to Ammann's pain, and these two movies like to a one every single female character is at Annan split to with the psychiatrist character as well. You know, the women are there to either be wet blankets to somehow prop up the the male characters victims, Doug dumbs. Yeah. And it's just it's so obnoxious. Like, I I don't know. Maybe there's a better character somewhere in his filmography. I have not seen all his movies. But yeah. They're not in any of this. That one that was that was the thing that kind of made split and then the bit here with Chievo cheerleaders the little bit. It's all that stuff is display to ski for me all the all the obsession with scantily dressed teenagers. It's a year being objected tied up. Just a little moment. I hated was during the escape when David's helping the cheerleaders escape and the beast there. He throws a table and just like wings one of the cheerleaders against the wall, really really brutally in. It's like it got a laugh in our theater and that just like made me sad. And I I can't say for certain it wasn't tended to generate a laugh, but it kind of feels like it might have been. I don't know that it was especially because she got up afterward with him. I I don't feel like it was intended. I felt like that was a reaction to it being both startling and kind of ridiculous and even more ridiculous when she gets up. But yeah, shoes charge of this this, you know, proactive secret society that she's not in charge. She's an employee of. I mean, she's like in the scenes where we see her talking to them. She's giving it's like she's begging for funding like she's begging him for permission. She's like laying out her plans. And she's also just in both ineffectual at her job. And as I say that just that whole business with weight stop murdering him. I just wanna let him know that we're going to burger other people too. And that we don't think we're bad for doing it because it's worked this way that her line about we don't consider ourselves evil is really interesting because it plays like she is revealing something, but what she's revealing is that again, she's singe anuas, and that, you know, people that murder people are still bad people. Well, oh, trauman disappointed us this time. Visit. I thought the visit was kind of going to be a combat to do. I liked it. Pretty pretty okay? Didn't it wasn't any fun out of the ballpark thing. But compared to something like lady in the water, which if I had the power to push button, burn every copy, and every memory of that film. I probably would the thing. Well Doyle foot photograph. That's pretty, but there's a thing where I with him though, the visit bothered may because it isn't him. It's not his style. And so so it's like the one thing about his films that I that I tend to connect to is gone. And so now what? But but it's affected for what is Keith hates it. He's not here to really slag the visit. But for the record, I don't think Keith would have been the dissenting voice when it comes to our opinions of glass. Was curious not not having a good time. But it's going to see him out there. So of their seeing movies, it's always to stirs letterbox great. So unbreakable available on DVD and Blu Ray and can be digitally rented on all the usual platforms. You can only buy split. Currently. We're watching Jimmy dean towns last is in theaters now, we'll be right back with your next picture show. Finally, it's time to catch each other up on films or film related items. We've seen the interim. That's our last podcast. We call it your next picture show in the hopes that will put some interesting choices on your radar Genevieve. What in the film world has been good for you lately. Well, you know, it's been awhile since we've done one of these and in that time, it was the end of the year, and we did all of our end of year lists and catch up movie watching, and I watched a lot of a lot of movies between then and now, but I wanted to pick something that was still in theaters. And that I really think people should go see in the theater while they still can which is if Beale street could talk berry Jenkins's follow up to moonlight. I suspect. Most of our listeners are familiar with this movie if they haven't seen it already. It's it's been out for several weeks now. But if you haven't, you know, there are a lot of movies out there. I would I would strongly urge you to get out and see if Beale street could talk it's a really beautiful film based on. On a James Baldwin novel set in nineteen seventies Harlem and just sort of broad strokes plot outline KiKi lane stars as she said it Chicago-based actress, by the way, KiKi lane stars as Trish young black woman who is trying to clear the name of her lover and the father per child Fani played by Stephen James with the help of her mother played by Regina king who has rightly been getting a lot of awards attention for her performance here. So that's sort of the broad plot. Jenkins presents the story non linearity jumping between these very highly romantic segments showing sort of the early arc of Trish and Fanis relationship and the events leading up to and following funny being falsely accused of rape which are heartbreaking so sort of because of that jumping around in the time line, the performances have to be really sharp in terms of sort of keeping the characters emotional journey, consistent and coherent as the story skips around in. I think all three of the actors, I named equip themselves, really. Well, in that respect, but I brought it up because I really wanna talk about the filmmaking on the way to urging listeners to see this in the theater while it's still there. I'm pretty sure we talked about this when we did moonlight on the podcast, but Junkins is just so good and making these small and intimate moments seem larger than life through the way. He shoots him. But also, his use of sound and music and all sorts of stuff in this movie. Has it has some big moments. There's actually a amazing scene involving the families of the two main characters coming together. This like such amazing exercise tension and release and is not what I would call intimate. But is definitely a smaller moment, it's a family moment. But it just feels larger than life. And that's what a lot of this movie is to me. It's like small interpersonal relationships just rendered highly romantic. It's very sad movie in a lot of ways. But it's also like I say highly romantic and really worth checking out. Definitely one of my favorite films of last year. I think you are both fans as well. I was it made my top ten of the earliest, I talked about it a bunch on film spotting 's and of year episodes, but just kinda pile on that there is a degree. I was also just talking at length about this film with a friend of mine a Wesley James from the odd splice podcast, which is also about film. They're about to do this film in fact for one of their upcoming podcasts. And one of the things that we kept circling back to was that we're just we're not used to seeing sex scenes that are are completely balanced between. It's there's it's not about the female gaze. It's not about the male gaze. It's just about a humanistic gays. There's a sex scene in this movie that is one of the most like I want to say casually erotic thins I've seen in film. It's all about like black skin being beautiful. And it's not about who you're looking at necessarily. It's about intimacy in a way, that's invulnerability and vulnerable in that respect. It reminded me a lot of the beach scene and moon and moonlight as sort of another example of sex scene that operates on that level exactly and moonlight. Just the the sense of like of intimacy and longing and a Roddick need that kind of runs through that movie is concentrated in places in Beale street and then in scenes outside the sex scene. You still get that same kind of vulnerability in need, but also in places a kind of like burgeoning confidence because there's so many different places in the movie where somebody needs to just kind of forcefully stand up for themselves, and it satisfying. But there's just so much tension and emotional ache to it at the same time. It's a really beautiful film. But I've also just got to get a shout out to the soundtrack, which is Ma my God the soundtrack for that movie is so. Oh, rich and lush. And there's so much going on in it. It's a really good film Hogger free to I I won't add much the to that except I mean, it was my top five. I really love it. And I and I think it's every bit as good as moonlight. I think it's I I really hope more people get a chance to see it. Just feels like it's been caught up in the whole Anna pictures mass at the end of the year says it meant gotten the kind of attention. I think it deserves. But what really bold me over the end of the movie, and this is entirely due to Jenkins's, heightened, you know, one car y esque style is is the fact is the revelation that that what what really happens to this to this couple is absolutely ordinary like the way the system ends up working for them is so familiar and dislike just to realize that he's that it is that for millions, and that Jacobs's taken this story and elevated to the way that he has and given all. All the emotion life that he has it really got to make. So I love this movie, and certainly would recommend people. Check it out one car sense of color to. I mean, in this film in particular like moonlight was so spare in so many ways like intense sharp visuals, but just so often operating in like a relatively small selected color set Beale street is just about all of the colors. Well, I wanted to bring it up. So that people would see it in theaters also wanted to bring it up because I'm able like didn't I wanted us to talk a little bit about on the podcast so mission accomplished, Scott. What about you? Okay. So so well this this week I've been extremely steeped in the films of Chris Smith. I I had a couple of features run on the the ringer. One was unexpected piece of news about the fire festival documentary that he made in its conflict with the fire festival documentary that Hulu made and the other was just was more. Just a straight up profile. Of his work. He did American movie. He's done a lot of films that I really like Jim Nandy the rape beyond is another one. His first film. American job is is really outstanding the pool. He's got a lot of good movies one. I wanted to recommend. Now, again is a movie he did in two thousand nine called collapse to be all see this movie collapse. This is very much in the style. Wise would remind you a little bit of of the the fog of war by air Morris. It is about this. Former LAPD officer turned independent reporter named Michael Ruppert. And he is the sole subject at he is ranting about this issue of peak oil, which is that his his idea is that the entire global economy is going to collapse. Once we reach this point where oil production reaches its, apex. And then. Fossil fuels decline in all of the industrial economic infrastructure around will just completely collapse along with it. And so in the way, he says it is utterly compelling. But the documentary is so clever because it is on the one hand, it feels like one of those kind of doom Laden, documentaries that you always see. I mean, you know, there's so many documents there where you're like that make you think about how the apocalypse is going to happen with it's come with food shortages or water shortages or or climate change, or whatever we are debt. But this kind of takes the approach of like, this is could this just as much about his personal collapse into paranoia it conspiracy theory as it is about his theory about how the how the world is going to end. So so interesting tension between those two things brilliantly edited, it's really MS Moore ising to watch. And it was a film that I really loved and rated highly the time it gave it an A. And just never thought it got the kind of attention that it deserved. And I think it's. Interesting now ten years later when none of this guy's predictions of really borne out. I think it really enriches the film rather than takes away from any kind of get you. I think that mindset that he has is is infected us even more even as what he believes in as even as the thing. He was going to happen really hasn't happened. So it's called collapse. Vailable you can pick it up to rent in any streaming service. So interesting collapse. So what about you touching? I mentioned the odds place podcast a minute ago, which I'm very biased because these are people. I know, but I'm having a a lot of fun with it their concept isn't hugely dissimilar from ours. They find a theme in the two of the hosts Josh Caleb each bring in one film that they think fits that theme. And they debate the how the film's compare and contrast how they fit together, and then west is the arbitrary who's supposed to pick one of them in the end and. Most recently they. The theme was Peens on screen, and they did the hunt and eastern promises and talk about both that how both of those films handle things like masculinity and gay characters and conflict and taboo and just the idea of masculine and male genitals. I think it's a lot of fun as the most recent one they disagree a lot and they fight. An and it reminded us reminded me of us. Beautiful, but that's just a personal recommendation for a larger cinematic thing. So Karen, Coosa MOS destroyer is currently in theaters. And that's a film that has gotten kinda middling reviews. I can see the flaws in it, but I enjoyed a lot because it is in some ways a conventional Raymond Chandler esque like film, Noir, hard-bitten detective movie with Nicole Kidman in the lead role as a unlikable damaged detective who is very clearly a male type, a male cliche male trope who has not been radically rewritten because it's a woman playing it and it just plays into Kasama 's films, including yon flux, which was it's kind of well known that paramount like took that away from her during a regime change, and butchered it, and that she's very unhappy with how it came out and Jennifer's body, which was overlooked. It's time and has become a cult film like her films, so often reach for some kind of intelligent commentary about women's role's how they work in society, and how people feel about them, and I feel like destroyers doing some really interesting things in terms of having a lead character who is not likeable. And in some ways is not justified in her behavior, but is distinctive and memorable and interesting and exciting to watch. There's a lot of buzz around the coal Kidman, potentially as an Oscar contender some of which may come from the fact that she she grubs herself way down for the performance. But some of it is just it's such a hard charging role, and there's some physical conflict in this movie. That's pretty brutal in a good way. I mean, it's it's it's intense and shocking, and there's a lot of motion conflict that's really well handled. I think it's a really interesting film. But for people who are interested in Kasama in general, I also re. Recently watched for the first time her movie, the invitation, which is on Netflix, currently, and is a little kind of chamber horror film about a couple who comes to a dinner party at home of a friend. The the x of one of the members of couple and with haven't seen in a very long time. And it's a reunion of bunch of friends who haven't seen each other in a very long time. And slowly. And surely the evening tips off the rails. It reminds me a little bit of the host. It reminds me a just a good deal of like bloom house movies in general, it's got that smallness to it. It definitely feels like a play because it's mostly single set. And there's that sensation of just like a hot box of things getting worse and worse and people getting more and more uncomfortable. It's very tot. And eventually, it's very bloody. But the process of getting there, I think is is really interesting. Scott you're nodding for a lot of. I I do enjoy it. It's it's as you say, it's the chamber piece. It's full of you know, escalating tension and surprise. And I remember thinking the ending was not a very satisfying. But I did think it was kinda gripping giving there, and it was very very nicely made kind of restored confidence. I guess that. I that was been lost a little bit from some of her previous work. I wasn't obviously inflexible and flex. But I think the time I was not really into Jennifer's body either. So this felt like she was just, you know, just a very solid exciting fund film, the ending as one of my favorite parts of the not to give anything away. But it's there are certain things you expect a the end of a movie like that to do that. It doesn't do. There are certain really obvious beats that it ends up not hitting in favor of doing something that surprised me a little and I find it. I found it really gratify. Buying but near mileage, certainly right on Netflix. So see it all cash tree level is really low at Genevieve. It's your favorite thing super super tents movie where you're constantly worried about awkwardness and then there's a whole bunch of islands. Yeah. Put on my list. So Karen, Kasama destroyer and the invitation and the odds place podcast. That's it for this addition of the next picture show. Our next pair will come out January twenty ninth February sixth Genevieve what's coming up next almost exactly twenty years ago. Chris Smith's American movie was the talk of the Sundance film festival winning the grand jury prize for best documentary and an unusually lucrative distribution deal for nonfiction when Smith was putting the finishing touches on his first film American job in an editing bay at the university of Wisconsin, Milwaukee he met Marc Busch art a fellow filmmaker in big personality who dreamed of getting a personal opus called northwestern off the ground. American movie is about four Chartres clinging to that dream as he grinds through low wage jobs mounting debt in an unfinished horror short called Kovin. Now Smith is back with Netflix documentary fire another film about a visionary who over promises and under delivers the visionary. This time is Billy McFarland a brash young entrepreneur who's fire festival was pitched as a luxury music festival where ten days could frolic on the beach supermodels and influencers, but it turned out to be a fraudulent to buckle that played out on social media on our. Pair episodes will compare and contrast Bouchart McFarland and consider how Smith is continue to work in a changing independent landscape. In the meantime, we'd love to hear your feedback on this week's discussion of 'em night, Shamlan movies and anything else film related. You dog talk about we want include your thoughts on future episodes of the show. You can leave a short voicemail at seven seven three two three four nine seven three zero. Or Email us at comments at next picture show dot net. We may post your response on Facebook for discussion or redid on a future episode of the show finally before closing out this week's episode where can we find everyone these days Genevieve in the deputy TV editor at filtered dot com. And you can find me on Twitter at Genevieve Kaczynski tasha. I am the film TV editor at the verge dot com. You can find my work there. And you can hear me on a bunch of past and present film spotting podcasts. I think are the live show that we recorded in Chicago last week is going to be up as a podcast soon. Yi can here. For me, talking yeti still more about the end of the world and making fun of Michael Phillips, Chicago Tribune critic. And you can hear me in the audience going. Yay. Tasha and you can hear neither of saying anything about the jug inexp- later. It was crawling the stage during. Thanks. We did turn unlock is at one point. When that spider was was upstaging everybody because I know how Jimmy feels phone spiders, Scott. Where can we find you can find me on Twitter at Scott underscore Tobias? I had a really great week this week professionally. I'll just say it like both of these both of these pieces that ran in the ring are two things I've been I don't know five Venice proud of a couple of pieces of is is those two. So you find me there right about Christmas and writing about the writing about the conflict between the two fire festival. Documentaries and gossiping New York Times Washington Post NPR and also the editor in chief of the oscilloscope musings blog can also find a gigantic interview. I did with Karen Kasama the verge dot com, and you can find our other host Keith Phipps on Twitter at at K Phipps three thousand you could find his work at places like the ringer and pollyanna and the version vulture and other fine publication. And so will forward to having him back. We love you Keith. 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#20 The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh

The Ride Through Pavilion

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#20 The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh

"Our casts. The goes. Rise. Rise. Welcome everyone. See right through pavilion podcast. This is the podcast that takes you on a hyper detailed ride through of your favorite Disney World attractions so you can really have that release of that. Magic wherever is. My name is Jeremy. I'm amy. Oh, I'm Fana and somewhere around here is Liam Liam as our special needs adult son who loves going to DisneyWorld just as much as we do. He loves the rides just as much as we do. But because he cannot express his opinions on Mike. We will be doing that for him. And he'll be chiming in every once in a while. Let's see before we go any further full stop full stop, we need to make a special announcement. This announcement is is that you're listening to pavilion. Yes. Ses of two final episodes of season one. But that's okay because we're going to be back in town. Back in September to bring you some more amazing right through episodes and companion episodes. This is AM are with Amy who's shrinking. Anyway, listen, but here's what we're gonna do fret, not, because you're still gonna get sure dose of the Dunn's that hard last name is done. I'm not sure if we've ever said that high where the Dunn's, but you're gonna get continue to get some great episodes from us. At why do I know they're great? Because our subject matter is pretty spectacular, and we're very excited about it. So we will be dropping every other week during the. This is great. It's the UPS man, Elsa. Kamerhe Chimaera, Elsa. You guys. This is very exciting. This never happened before says live people. But we think the problems of live. L sustained side. Stance is Elsa. The man and Brown that's not going to hurt you hear drove away wish her back is bristled. Okay. Good. Liam supplies. Just showed up at the door. So I'm glad that happened in the middle of our nouncement guys. Let me just say this. We're going to be dropping episodes during the summer every other week and what we're going to be doing is watching drum roll. I don't really have a punctuation for that. I'm just kidding. Continue saying what I was saying before, we'll be watching all those great ninety sitcoms where the where the family went to DisneyWorld. And so we're going to what will be giving commentary. We'll be watching that along with you also giving back story any notes. I've a feeling that they're so far from what I've seen there are quite a few troops that, that occur from episode episodes. We'll actually compile over the summer a list of tropes from these to top it all off. We've also been looking at these weird recipes from the last what eighty years sixty. Well, yeah. Eighty years of Disney. Disney will often actually surprisingly more often than I would've thought will get a sponsor light craft to, to host a TV show or they'll get the American dairy council back in the forties to put together a cookbook in. So there are these Disney themed recipes out there that aren't quite questionable. They're vintage. So they're, they're prepared with some ingredients that maybe we don't use as much today. Lot of. Yeah, that's back when when processed food was celebrated. And so some of canned foods, some of those recipes look challenging, you know what, power through listener we're gonna we're gonna make. Oh so you you're gonna follow us into the kitchen and we're going to make those together. And then we're going to sit down and watch these six. And we're going to have fun. I did not know about this cook. You're saying to me, Jeremy, what do I gotta do? These episodes hit that's of scribe button on your podcast app. Hit subscribe, those, those episodes will be dropping in the same feed as our normal episodes. So look forward to that and enjoy these next couple of episodes as well. So are going to be about drummer will let us know the attraction that we're writing today. The many adventures of funding too. Yes. This one is near and dear to the done tarts, -absolutely. It's a good one for sure. A classic. But hey a couple of order of business before we do this. We gotta give shout outsource sponsor as we always do every week except this week are sponsored. The episode is brought to you by goofy candy company, three feet of sugar with an endless assortment of flavors and colors, this foot, basically, this yard of pure sugar will feed your child's already over stimulated system guaranteeing, the wildest away. The wildest meltdown in the wilderness. Candy company three feet of sugar. Wow. We've experienced firsthand s this, this product it down. If you don't get it, and it causes meltdowns, if you that's the truth right there. Mom, dad. Can I get that, that tube of sugar no meltdown? Give him the sugar. They're happy two hours later still meltdown. Why did you buy the sticker on the say that they don't know where it's coming? They've never are you kidding? They'd never blamed it on the sugar. Well before we jump on the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh, I thought I thought we had some fun last week. Introducing a new game and that was Disney mind meld I thought one to you to play a quick round of it. And for those of you listening for the first time Etienne field. Yeah, we'll wait. A person has an improv Shawan raining outside, welcome back. So now that you're all caught up on how this game works. I feel bad. Now, I feel like nobody actually did that because I was a joke, but they need to know how this works essentially mind meld as an improvisational up game. Funeral is an improv classes. And what this game does gets people working together, kind of gets them. Loosened up ready to just kinda do stuff on the fly and what happens is to people. We'll say a word at the countdown of three to one. They say a word then they take both of those words and both of those people without communicating verbally. Try to think of what other words those two words might have in common than they three to one try it again. Hopefully every time they say new word they're getting closer and closer together until they can figure out how to say three to one the same word. So that's how this works. We liked to put a little spin on it. This is the Disney addition of mind meld, so girls want you think of your word. Got it. Attitude ready. Here we go. Three two one cream sandwich. Flood and ice cream sandwich. Flood flood is just related word. Yeah. Have you been there? Didn't know I was just thinking. Oh, yeah, okay spoiler alert. Geez. Okay trailer. Here we go. So between flood sandwich. Yep. Three two one. Actually, I had loaded up lovely guys. That's good. Usually doesn't take that long. Yeah. Well. One word is usually. Okay. Usually takes longer than that. Usually takes longer than that. It is Friday afternoon. We've got somewhere to be my brain is on overtime on overtimes working overtime. Anyway, that's how you play Disney mind meld. I'd love to keep going mine, general that that's true. That's true. Hey, if you're on your way to Disney, and you need a good game play my mouth. Yeah. That's exactly what we hours. Yeah. All right. So one final bit of business before we head to business business. Business. I leaned into it. I really did. I made a meal out of that word. One more bit of business is we like to we just need to step on over to our. That's it. That's it, Amy. It's time to do this business, which is we're going to go by the right through pavilion, refreshment port. We have installed in our pavilion, right? To villian is a real place. We're broadcasting live from the right. And we got one of these during one of our food and wine festivals. We had a kiosk set up. We've we left it up. We don't care. Okay. Okay. So here's what we serve at the refreshment kiosk. Well it changes from week to week, depending on the right we're doing. We like to create a cocktail that isn't no mosh to the to the that week's attraction. And this week is no different because we're getting on the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Then we have a delicious cocktail for the adults feel it's gonna tell some moments about her mock tale about all that. Here's what we have we have the OPA other. And this cocktail consist of bourbon, Honey, lemon, and orange bidders. And then we give it a nice little orange twist right at the very end. It's very nice potent. Then we'll have you saying south? Ooh, that's good. That's this podcast promise feeling about your mom till things. Then I'm calling ers rainy day cloudy lemonade. So it's Coty lemonade, which is lemon. So it's like I mean like. Simple syrup, sugared stuff and then put lemon juice, some blended, all altogether puts mice in smarter in some of that syrup stuff in a Cup in a mate, cloudy, nice and delicious cloudy. Yeah. It's really sweet to. All right. So what about these recipes? How might one find these recipes might if they have access to a smart device or computer or public library, public library, or a hotel room, which would also give them access to a computer, they could look up at Pinterest, don't not at Pinterest Pinterest at. Ride through pavilion and that we try I've failed the past couple of weeks. But by the time you listen to this. Boom is going on. You know, we're posting this in about two hours. Okay. I'll man I'm gonna like you don't even know chest. Don't worry about it. Get to tonight. It'll be there. All right. Do tomorrow. Okay. Procrastinate. All right. Great. You guys did you say over? Oh I thought it was just going to say the head and say right now. So there's Twitter at a ride degree pod peo- de not. Peo-. D C. A S T just pot. And then what's the last one? Oh, instagram. At right through pavilion. So if you can keep the ride through pavilion in your head you're gonna made pretty much about of three. All right. So without any further do you guys, let's head on over to magic kingdom fantasy land. And let's do a right through of the many adventures of Winnie. The pooh. This music doesn't make you happy. You have no soul. As always, we're going to kick this off with Amy giving us the facts. This is the well we're going to all do the facts that aim is going to give the official Disney description. No, listen. I'm with the facts trouble through hundred acre wood with an oversized. No, i'm. Pause rewind travel through one hundred acre wood in an oversized, honeypot and get lost in the pages of a Millns classic tales. There you go. The stats are this. It isn't fantasy landed open June fourth nineteen ninety nine it is a dark ride, you read around in honeypot. That's not crazy. Crazy end. It is three minutes, and fifteen seconds injury feeling they're clean honeypots. Let us know about the excess ability information must transfer into we'll chair meet remain in real chair. There's an audio description description held hand captioning is available. All right killed captioning. So as we approach this, this is this is a, it's really hard to miss this because when you when you're in fantasy land so much of it is, especially if you're coming through the castle, you're, or you're coming from the, the like that side that corridor, it's very renaissance fair and it's the flags and all of it is very consistent. But and then. When you when you keep walking past the new, you suddenly, you see this big old tree with the leaves turning, and that's when you know that you've gotten to the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh, and you do you see this giant tree, too. When you're looking at the building, we see it to the left of the entrance, and that is missed says the says Mr. Sanders on it, and that we know that, that is, when the Poos house. In fact, we see a mailbox this is PU and there's Honey dripping out, so even has an ass. What he right? Then we see that nice little hanging doorbell as well. And then we see the signing, of course, for the ride, which is on a big giant kind of very natural wood plank hanging from the branch with Fiqh ropes, and there's also behind up in the tree. So this is one of those things look up. Look up look around you. There's a lot of detail thought put into it because it does have that open Q. I think you're just like trying to judge how many people are there and, you know, miss a lot of the thing. Yeah. But do see a birdhouse up on that. Same tree and a has the standby time. Now when you look over, you'll then to the right see the fast pass line. Now, this is one of my favorite features of, of the of the outdoor. The exterior is because that fast past sign. Is is a coup clock sitting on a perch, and it's in has an analogue clock face, and the instead of instead of a Kuku bird coming out of it, and has a tiny little Pooh in a little, Honey? Jar. And it's like the cutest thing in the world walkie rights thing in the world. When you're when you're there in that moment, it is. Not as important. But you know, as we know we're looking at this building, and we do see the would fencing we see these kind of wispy grass areas, and these islands that the accused kind of go rhino was really interesting. And then there to the left is the meet and greet for Winnie the Pooh, and France. Right. When you're looking at the building, you do see would awnings coming off of, and it's very supposed to feel like the woods in England, but it's interesting when you just look up a little bit above that, you still see that it's show building. You still see that renaissance fair with the flags so it's, it's a weird choice. I know that, that ties it into everything else, but it's especially with new fantasy land being so organic feeling with the mine train, but doesn't it kind of go with the end of where everybody's celebrating poo at the party with all of the? Yeah. I suppose. Yeah, I mean, what's those payments and stuff? I just I thought it was interesting that they didn't like fully, you know, redo the exterior when they put this attraction. Anyway. So why don't we talk about the Q and the load area. Okay. Okay. So we're not walking through the hundred acre wood. And if you're in the standby line, there are plenty of things for your kids to do this one was really thought out and pretty much anywhere that you are in line besides this one little part, you can see your kids in the play area. Yeah. So they don't have to stay right? You don't have to stay right on top of them. They can kind of wander, and it's kind of a good place to go when everybody's getting a little impatient. There is actually a sign that says, you know, adults this way, kids the player for kids this way. So it's not intended for people to kind of slip in and out of line. They created it like you said, where you can look, and you can see exactly where your kid is. And that's the great thing about these different here, where your kids are most of the time in this thing because there's all kinds of drums, and we'll that's cool to like this dange Yale, you're tempted to game by everything to the point that, you know, you're you have to play for certain amount of time to. Leave something. This is these are actively he's right. That if the lines, moving faster, you're like, hey, kid get over here. You know it's not like they're they're halfway through something right? And you have to interrupt them, but the different activities. Are you can chime in on these because I know you were. Playing these two playing I still play with some of them. Like the smell and drums. They're there. Drumming motion with her fans which does not translate and saying, drums. Here's the one. I don't get is these, these sunflowers at spin and they're kind of have bells. Are they supposed to do something else, or just? Okay. I mean they're cool. It's, it's like a great little piece. But how go for pop up in rabbit's garden. Really cute. I do like that. Yeah. And that's where you jump on those little pressure plates. And then it causes. Sure. Feel like Weber's. No. No. That's something else. Yeah. That's the radishes this radishes. I think it is too. So then then you have this little pin, this little cage with chicken wire on it. And on each side of this box, there's these cranes. And there's a bunch of little red balls heirs. Is that? I think that cranks radishes or apples or tomatoes or what any of the above. Okay. So then, like kids, probably not apples. Because apples grown a tree. The more they crank that thing in the top. It's almost like that vacuum cleaner that popcorn vacuum cleaner that these two have. Yeah. That's kind of what that reminds really my favorite one or the beehives that you can take the bees along their their little path. That's it. They're like in a wire, and you move passes through when the hives because. Yep. That's fun play with those and then forty four. And then as you kind of turn the corner and you start getting into the overhang into the Omni area, you're getting closer to the boarding area. However, you're not quite there. And so what they've done is they have these giants is where you kind of can't see your kids. So there with you now. Yeah. So this is kind of like a thing to interact with your whole family, not just a great point. So they have like these walls, these panels set up on the wall that look like, you know, pages from a book, but it's a big video wall. And there's just it looks like a bunch of Honey coming down. Now when you touch the screen, you're able to, to wipe away that Honey and the Honey leaves the screen wherever you wipe in it takes because it's so thick. It takes a while for it to drip, back down. Touch screen hover over. Yeah. Because the sensors are actually like, strips it within the frame in front of the screen. So if, if, if you're adverse to touching everything else, everyone in the world is touched, then you can still play this, you can just you don't have to touch it all the way you can get your hands. You know where else is like that uses that same system? Seven doors. Mine train onto mansion, I was gonna say when you're touching instruments, and it makes yeah. You don't actually have to touch those that is that is that still that sensor? It knows x y kind of thing where knows the position of your hand wherever you're breaking that laser signal or whatever that's it knows what to play certain. So then finally, we, we get up to the gates and there are two loading gates that you can get into our that you can line up with. And when you look across the tracks there you do. See just big old pages. Now, they're really pulling you into the story book, which is very much like the, the feature film, this is based on, right? You go inside the book. They were it was kind of this, there was this kind of meta aspect of that Disney storytelling of, of Winnie the Pooh, because because there was, they addressed the fact that they were in a book, and maybe the characters didn't address the fact that they're in a book, but certainly the stories some from our POV, we knew they were in a book, and I think they had to know to think at one point that book tips over, and they slide out or something or the words get jumbled. Yeah. So they're, they're having a lot of fun playing with that. And as you're waiting than suddenly, the right cars, pull up, and they are honeypots, and there's a two by two seating in there. So the whole four people to Perot, which we love there aren't a ton of these attract right? Whole family. We're a family of four or five, maybe even six if you wanna squeeze everybody in their children in the middle lap. So I do I do appreciate this, a real quick from Liam. Thank you, son. We'll say this that we've covered this on our may remain wheelchair episode. But if you are in a wheelchair you can there's a special car for you. And they will they will just put you right in actually take you out of line and load you in where people get off. That's right. That's right. So, so that's really great just make sure you let them know when you pull up and there is a little gate there. So it's not a problem at all. So, yeah. Then off we go. And as we begin to take off, we do hear a safety message feeling that you know, that safety message was on here. Now did K all the poor dog is crazy lady was holding an umbrella. It is raining outside. Well starting. All right. Well, how appropriate for this trash. Yeah. All right. Let us know what's going on with that safety. Net's. -ment. Oh out there. It's me. Tigger double Gert, or TI double. G GI, double girder. And being safe is what 'tigers like best. So please stay in your seats with your hands arms feet, and legs inside and grownup types. Please watch your little kids, who TTF N Totta for now and off we go. And then we pass through a few more pages and few more big pages and we see ourselves now in the hundred acre woods. But what is happening? There is a big a big gust of wind moving in. As as you're going off, like a book case type thing. And like if you look to see the people like how it is you're sitting, and people who are going into the ride, they turn to the right. And if they don't see their cart like going into the books, which I always think it's really fun to watch. Yeah. That is fun to see them disappear. Yeah. And I we'll still kind of I'm like, oh. Well, the narrator lets us know one day in the hundred acre wood, the eastwind traded places with the west wind, and it stirred things up a bit. And then we see the hundred acre woods things are getting blown about it. Looks like they were just caught off guard, because we see piglet holding onto a broom and he's spinning around received PU holding onto a balloon and, and on his way up. He's actually trying to get some Honey out of the tree, which is typical o. And then we see or kind of. Cheering him on or just at least a dressing it, and he's, he's saying that he doesn't think the pool will ever reach the tree. He doesn't have very good outlook. No. He doesn't. Then as we go around, we do see rabbits garden and rabbit is very flustered. And he's in his his will barrow and he's covered with his crop sent him. I think he's saying, why me and then and then we do see now we did see a gopher also kind of coming out of his holes. We. So he was there his name. Oh, yeah. That's right. I forgot about that. Day, then we see rue blowing away if he weren't holding onto a scarf, and kanga holding onto the other. And he says, let's it good mama, and he says, look, mama. Kite, cute. Probably says, look mom look mama lick mama. Now, where do we go from here, we go shoot right up the tree into AL's house, or outhouse? And as we go in well, see something here. I think we should wait for the canyon road to put in Iraq. You're right, you're right. That's good. That's good. We'll say this. I mean, it is still Alice house. That's not right. And we say stuff kind of either flying about strewn upon the floor or action, kind of coming up off the ground cars, like bomb, while I'm guessing you can't see, but it's like moving all players jerky movements. I was just there's a lot of wind. It's like you go through a wind tunnel kind of thing. And then the next one you're really kinda jerk. We'll, we'll see we go through this, that the car plays, a big like the actual feeling of the car, and the what the car is doing plays a big part of Racha experiencing. So anyway, so we see his house in disarray. We see dishes. We see, you know, friend busy pictures of all his friends. So just nice our he has pictures of his friends sitting on a rocking chair. Yes, perched up there, and he's dispensing either wisdom or some Noah toll no at all ISM. Toddlers them. And so it's rather short. But now I'll say this is this is a right that this is a nice mix of, of flats and, and sculpted items, because a lot has there are some two d things. And then there are three D. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, there, there have been attractions in the past that are so flat Ori flats oriented that it's just, you know, not great. This is nice and the flags here are very detailed. And there are flat in real life, like portrait's. Yeah, I mean, the frame isn't necessarily flat. But yeah I know what you're saying. Yeah. As we then pass out of. Howls house. We've been find ourselves. Oh, no. I did the wrong button. Oh, I think this is what I went. Because we find ourselves, we see another page and we see tigger pop up out of the page. And now suddenly we're in the hundred acre woods again, at night, chasing tigger, and he's inviting bounce along. And he says, I'm tigger compounds with me, and then the vehicle itself begins to balance so cool just run up and down. And it's a it's a very kind of analog feeling thing you know, I don't know, just somebody. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like the jumping his he gets real like hi. Okay. Keep his balance, I hold on a heaven hold onto the bar and he like moves it up and down. But I. Not. Well as he invites us to bounce. We see him in many different bouncing positions. We seem bouncing on his tail and then he pops up again to the left, and then we see his tail coming out of the bushes. A little further down the line. And then he comes down lower down out of the tree above us. And he says, I almost bounced right out of the right stretch. Remember when I said that there was this kind of Neta thing in the storytelling around this about acknowledging that they were in a book, and they kind of knew they were in a book. They kind of accepted some kind of like book stuff happening to them. I think this is a great extension of that for him to say almost bounced out of the right. He's acknowledging that in a ride. Yeah. You know, and that the cars are bouncing. Yeah. Yep. Very cool stuff. I love that. And so then we then a really kind of get to the end of the hundred acre woods and we see the where pro ching, Poos house, and we can kind of look in, and we can see it's going to sleep. Yeah. Who has on his night clothes? And tigger has kind of jumped on top of pinned him down to the ground. And he saying, well, you better watch out for epilepsy Roussel's, and that kind of worries Phut as he goes into a deep sleep. Well, then we end but the next room than we really do enter into his house. We are now in. In. A little bit. Dream, I guess, but yeah. So, so now we're inside his house. We do see Phut passed out right up against running. And then he comes out of his his spirit like leaves his body, and spins around on the wall. And then there's some words being said as well. Yeah, I don't know what those words are. I remember that. And all's or something like that. And then, then as that projection is of, of Phut tumbling. We, we have the doors open up into a whole new room. And this is a fun room. Don't you dare kosher because you're gonna look around and you're going to see suddenly Poos dishes are, are larger than life and they are cartoony, and they have is, and you see these Jack the giant Jack in the box with Heff or with Wiesel heads. And now you're navigating through in your view here. There's take picture. Oh, yeah. If you wanna get like your whole family in the winning the Pooh ride, you can just turn real quick and take a picture into the MIR. Exactly. But there's a lot there's a lot of bright colors. There's the Heff lump song is playing is shoot with a cannon. It's just trippy. And it's, it's just like a weird dream but in very much like the flavor of the car does anything special, it doesn't just you ride through. I believe, so. Yeah. Okay. What I love is coming around the corner. And then you see that Heff lump in front of you. And then. Shoots. Big rare cannon, an air cannon, and it shoots that that being smoke, right? At you. I'm shaking her head. She's not a fan of that. Headache because of the fun machine. Staley son. I'm sorry. The smell so with all the weird activity going, and this is very much like a sixties. Seventies kind of delic- Laffin kind of trippy disorienting kind of. That is still very innocent lights or anything, black lit. Well, there are here in a second. When we get into this, other room, but not in this room. And, and then I think the final thing, there's a Heff lump who looks like he's real or here. She's like ended Honey. And like almost like strumming rubber. Yeah. This, this honeys coming down. She strumming it like a harp. And then there's a big hotter balloon in your field. And one of the basket, but then that gives way to, to this small little room, in which there is a thunder and lightning. And there's this kind of black light comes down down. There's this black light effect that, that did you see the water dripping then yes, Amy you're right? We go right into this other room. And now we're literally did not know there were other words to that. Other the rain came down down down. We'll, I think that point you really looking at what's around you and you do see a lot of these, these LED and even even fiber optic affects showing that it looks like the waters tripping on their some kind of tinsel or something Hain from the. Yeah. So there's a lot of practical effects here. And as you come around now, you see that there, you get the sense that there's water on each side of the view and another way that helps that out is, again, the ride vehicle begins to rock, like a boat back and forth, as you go through there. And if you look down, you'll actually see that all of this is chief by the shape of the track like this isn't like some kind of fancy hydraulics that I love. Anyway only can only assume that the track changes as because you can see it's changing and that somehow the it feels like you're floating down. Lazy river. Yeah, it's so fun. And as you come around you do see gopher popping his head at that of the whole, and he's, you know, spitting a stream of water. And then let's see as you come around then to your left, you see that, that rabbit, and kanga are, are floating in an upside down umbrella. And she is passing ru off to your. Who's got his tail out so Rick and drab can grab out so, so e or is on dry ground and they're floating and they're trying to, you know trust ears tail. I know seriously, I think comes off trust me or period. And then a little bit further down. You see. Still owl, in his rocking chair conveniently. But I think because he's still sitting up above the top of his house because I think we're looking at the top of his house, where tigger is kind of holding onto the weather vane type thing and piglet is in a chair kind of floating away toward a waterfall, and in tigger is reaching out in order to make sure that piglet does not go over the waterfall. So with all of that business happening with all of that kind of panicking happening, we turned the corner, and then what do we see, we see poo and he is he is half into a tree. He's got his head into a tree eating all that. Honey out of it, and he's covered in Honey. He's been collecting Honey, and trying to rescue the Honey. And then he found Honey in this tree, and now he's in there eating too. So he's unfazed by the storm. Right. And we always come around there. So then as we come. Out of there. We, we look and we see that the ride is over and. It's almost silver because then the narrator says, and then the rain went away and everyone gathered together to say and they say hurry. And that's when you come around the corner, and you see this big giant page with all the characters except piglet pig birthday party. It's a party to celebrate the going. And piglet is not on the painting. He is a sculpted figure right there. Three sculpted figure right there. He's the only one. Except to the right you do. See PU sticking his head out of the tree hole covered in Honey and his sticky and goo. But what we do as we come around the corner. And the narrator says the rain went away and everyone gathered together to say and we say, oh. That feeling that started. Maybe the first time we were there. Yeah. Just very much into this attraction and just. Personally with poo and just said to him. She was an incredulous child. But couldn't believe it. But it yeah, it's a cute little part where he's just all messy. And he looks like you would say, oh, Putu. Then as we come around the corner, it's over you see the cue you see the, the, the platform where you like a wreck in over. Yeah. It is. It's a lot of these dark writes that just tells us story short and sweet. And then here women's voice say about to left, please left. And that's what this exactly what we do. Now, if you if you've transferred from a wheelchair you will find that they allowed you to get out of your wheelchair at the, the loading gates. Then they take your wheelchair. And then they just put it right there at that platform, where you get out, and then usually a cast member there that will hold the door open for you to open for you. And then yet you just go on down the ramp. Of course, it's Disney exit out the gift shop, which is one of the cutest gift shops. And if you're looking for any kind of baby shower present or. It's a really good. Preschool ish. A young age Winnie. The Pooh stuff for sure. And it's all just soft and sweet and cute. Yeah. Yeah. Also a really good place to stand when it's raining. It is inside that also they brought back the three feet of sugar machine. They're dead. Yeah. So thanks to our sponsor. You can get one of those. Yeah. For sure you guys this may be one of our shorts episodes ever. I feel like we covered a lot of ground though. I mean we went through this entire traction. So what's going to happen? It's just a reminder next week is our season, one finale and this, and it will be a companion episode to the Winnie. The, the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh where we will talk about the history of this ride we will talk about the secrets, and hidden Mickey's, and all that great stuff. And we'll also messages. Other hidden messages. And then we will take a look at the different rations of this. Right. Across the globe, including one really impressive spectacular one. That is. Shanghai. Yeah. Which is really more of an e ticket in my opinion. I mean that thing is like I e ticket attraction. So, yeah, that's what we're gonna do you guys anything left to say any, any parting words of listen at the end of this, this, our penultimate episode of season. One. Like what do you mean? Oh well, no, I guess that'd be kind of companion. I was just gonna say that's a great place to get cream to right outside. Yeah. But. If you want to know where a great place, get ice cream is next. Tune in next week, we'll be ready for you. And then, of course, after that, then we're gonna start dropping those prime time very special episode. You don't wanna miss it. They're going to be so much fun. If you're a fan of nineties television, Disney and Disney and bad food, and in, vintage recipes than this is going to be the little mini series for you and didn't think it existed. Oh, contrary, so to be watching blossom ever hear her. Maybe not a lot of people full house. I know our heard of that. Family matters. Family matters Roseanne this bit of it. The story, I think. What you brought it up. Okay. Well, I hit tell you. So this is the my dad, I can't tell you exactly what we were looking at his. We're not save that for the companion episode, but we're going into the post tree house. And so there's like a little opening for toddlers and stuff. And then if you go around the back of the tree. Bigger door. When a going. So you go in to retrieve your kids crawling on the ground. So I was looking for a hidden. Thing. How so excited, he cried it? Toddler? And I'm like, I'm not doing that. I went around the treatise. There's any other way. I found the big toe. 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Ep 179 - Interview with Kathryn Dunn of "Big Brother"

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Ep 179 - Interview with Kathryn Dunn of "Big Brother"

"You are listening to the reality seed. Podcast with your host reality Steve. He's got all the latest info and behind the scenes juice clair's upcoming season of the Bachelorette and interviewing some of your favorite reality stars now. Here's reality Steve. Welcome to podcast number one seventy nine. I'm your host reality Steve. Thank you all for tuning into this. Podcast got a good one for you almost two hours long this one and it is with someone from the big brother world. I haven't had anybody on from last. Summer's addition of brother. But I do. Now it's the only season of big brother I've ever watched in my life. If you remember during that season towards the end of the season I actually had one of the writers from rob has a podcast on my site or on the podcast and we and we broke it down because I had so many questions. Being a big brother novice had no idea about pass strategies and past winners and all that stuff But we finally got one of the contestants on the show. You've probably seen her name. In a few interviews that have popped up recently it is Katherine Dunn. And she's a local She's a Dallas girl born and raised in Dallas and got in touch and we cover a lot of stuff. We don't necessarily break down the show. That's the amazing part of this almost to our conversation with Catherine is. There's very little talk about like what happened on the show and alliances and stuff like that. There is a little bit but I'd say maybe ten percent fifteen percent of this conversation is about that we talk about the main issues from this past season and what has happened to Po. Show we talk about her early relationship with Jackson which is apparently to my knowledge after talking to her. Been misreported with Jackson or or Mickey whatever you WanNa call him and then we talked briefly about the quote unquote boyfriend that she had going into the show because that became her moniker. Early on that her boyfriend took to the airwaves. Or the inter-web whatever you WANNA call it online. Shared some text shared some videos shared some stories and basically sold her out. We talk about that for a good fifteen or twenty minutes. Then we get into you know her time on the show obviously. She became part of the jury during her time on the jury she became involved in a relationship with Nick. They have recently broken up within the last week while it happened earlier. But it wasn't announced until recently And then come to find out the night before taping this she had a falling out with Holly Holly Allen Former podcasts guest of this podcast for an ex girlfriend of Luke Pell I didn't know until I read it in the story that Katherine Hawley aren't on speaking terms anymore. We talk about that Also talk about her career as a mavs dancer. A Dallas Mavericks Dancer. As some of you know that. Listen to this podcast. I'M A DALLAS MAVERICK. Season ticket holder and So we talk about that and kind of talk about influencing because that's her job now and We talk about that as well. So we cover a lot of topics in like I said an almost a to our podcast so Katherine Dunn Very Fun to talk to And just Definitely thinker and I will be Keeping in touch being that she is a Dallas girl. I do want to jump into something that I have never talked about on the show and I. Hopefully this will help people and I was So my father who have never even spoke of on this podcast before He has a partner in China that he used to do business with It overseas That person has been in China before but the bottom line is. My father has n ninety five masks that are available to the public with a minimum quantity of three hundred pieces. So if you have a business or maybe even know somebody who has a business? Who is looking for masks? I can tell you these are. 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Please email me at Steve at reality. Steve DOT COM. And we'll go from there so I just wanted to get that out. Hopefully this'll help. Some people who are maybe having trouble getting masks or have tried to go online. And it's just taking too long and they didn't place the order so Anyway just wanted to throw that out there but not a whole hell of a lot of bachelor nation stuff to get to so. Let's just jump right into it with PODCAST NUMBER ONE. Seventy nine okay. Let's bring her on. She was on last summer's season of big brother. She's a former Dallas Mavericks Dancer it is Katherine Katherine. How are you doing? Good just quarantined. Not just like the rest of us going strong. I just want you to know before the interview begins. I am not conspiring against you. I feel like you might be. I don't know I feel. I'm a little wary book. Big Brother actually had a mess with my mind on that. And I think everyone's inspiring against me but I mean honestly was that joke did or did you really think that everyone was conspiring against you or and got off the show and you saw stuff. Did you realize you were saying it as much as you did? Yeah okay so yes yes so I I guess the first week are so I also didn't realize that there's a huge alliance that had formed the first day like when the within like the first hour and I didn't think that we were actually all conspiring on day. One so me being personality like I kind of like play around and try to lighten the mood so kind of trying to lighten the mood and be like. Are you bitches conspiring against me. I didn't realize that they actually were so but then like people were don't know. I just I and sometimes I also admit that maybe I have a little bit of a addictive personality at times so sometimes I think I'm being funny. I don't really know stop so like no one else. Thought it was funny except for me in the house but I just kept saying it over and over again but I also. I didn't think it would make air because I didn't know if CBS could air the word bitches which they can clearly bitches officially is not a bad word. No it's not. It depends on the context that it's used. Because someone a fucking bitch I said. That's yeah yeah I don't think I would. I see every time I say bitch. It's never and like a negative connotation I use a much harsher word for that. I'm getting I don't know I just I I. There's a lot of people that will message and the I guess they're really not a lot of people but they're actually offended that I said those calling people bitch and I was like y'all it's a joke but anyways. Nah that was. I didn't realize actually conspiring until I got home. And realized it that was the ungrateful alliance ungrateful which was just the stupidest name for an alliance. I mean well they will. They thought that they were like the best alliance of all time like they would all even in jury because of course they were completely shut in the world so we don't know what people are proceeding us. We don't know what people are saying who their favorites are. Who who isn't it? You're kind of living like your own little world And it's really crazy. Actually to now I go back like think of the social hierarchy that was in the house and compare it to kind of how it shuffled out in the real world. It's really. It's very intriguing article. It's just kind of crazy to think back on that and then also in the jury house when before we know that the whole world hated grateful. day would go on and on about how they were the best lines of all time and that they were so stacked with talent and the day you know if it wasn't for I forget who it is that they blame. I think that they blame cliff coming back in the camp comeback competition or something. But like they're like this did happen than we would have swept the whole game. We were the best of all time and I think that they were very shocked to realize that. Nicole is actually who America's favorite player and people were calling grateful hateful and yeah reality. Check my history with big brother. I told you before we got on here. I never watched the show until this season I knew names I had seen them. You know other big brother people on the challenge which I'm a big fan of and other reality. Tv avenues. But I had never watched the show until your season and I only did that because I kind of knew Holly Allen which you touch on later and I was just like okay. Let me get started. And my my whole thing is and I think one time during season I had on a person who recaps big brother. Four ROB has a podcast. She came on and I had a lot just basically Kaelin Herman no somebody else but it was. Somebody from rob has a podcast just over there. I was like hey can you? Can you send me one of your writers for my pockets because I want to talk about this because I don't know I because in the end this is interesting because you can hear this? You were on the show. My thing was and granted it was the first season ever watched. I had nothing to base it off of in terms of strategy and alliances and whatnot but the one thing that I was taking from your season as it was going on was this doesn't seem to be the most likeable group of people out there and I was like normal. Gosh no it's not now. I was GonNa say that earlier when you told me before we got on about that. You picked a really bad season to watch her. I highly recommend going back and walking season. Twenty me they said you have to watch last season. I'm like yeah can barely tolerate forty episodes of show regardless this. It's too much for me. Yeah I don't really know where where we went wrong But I do think that it's outside of the house. Everyone you know we all have our our strength. And whatever and I think that we're all pretty likable But for some reason in that house when you get in that mindset and you haven't seen the outdoors in a while and like that's not world in the house all you know I think that people like they're the side of them. It wasn't the most likeable definitely came out And of course you know people people that maybe have never had that kind of power before in their lives star kind of getting power hungry and then they start pushing people around and saying things that they would never say out in the real world. Act that way. So it's Kinda it's a very interesting social experiment. But that's why it is big brother for sure and I've always been a huge fan of survivor. Survivor is is my favorite reality show of all time and everyone told me throughout the years. You know you gotTa Watch Big Brother and my whole thing was because of what I do and it airs during the summer which went bachelorette airs. I'm just too busy to dedicate three nights a week to a television and I said the only reason I was going to do it. This last summer was because of Holly and I. It's wow somebody that I know is on a reality TV show which has never happened in my life so I was like okay. Well I'll just I'll watch it and I'll probably stop watching once. He gets eliminated and he never got eliminated watched stuck watching the whole season. But obviously once I was a couple of weeks in I was like okay. I WANNA see how this plays out and you get your other favorites and whatnot with you. Who are they? Who are your favorite. I liked Tommy. Tommy I like I like I like Nicole. I thought she was fine like me. I thought you were intrigued. Your character I thought you were here to like you but yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that you didn't like me. And now that I'm asking you Yeah I had questions about well here without. I'm here to answer all your questions. I had questions about you because you know there is a whole Internet world out there of people who cover the show and dedicate their whole lives to staying up till six in the morning and watching a live feed and hearing all this stuff and seeing all this stuff and I I would I got turned onto this not like you know I was turned onto it by people. Who said you gotTA follow these accounts? If you WANNA work really know what's going on and what people are saying on occasion I would check in but it wasn't something I was like every day. GotTa read what? I miss last night when I when they were sleeping. I'm like no I cannot do this. It's taking up way too much time but early on something came up in regards to you which I have questions because I still don't understand it. You've addressed in a couple of recent interviews that you've done and this is a relationship you had with a guy named Marty before you left for so I'm just GonNa let you tell it and then I'll follow up with questions that I have. What was your relationship with Marty before you left for the show? And what did you tell him? The plan was yeah I mean all I'm pretty transparent transparent about this and I but I will say that I don't really expect anyone to understand it Because our relationship it was complicated like I I considered him to be my partner in life We did everything together. We work together. We would hang out after work together. We would go out to eat together. We will hang out on the weekends together. Like pretty like our whole. My whole life was marty just because we really complimented each other so well and and sometimes of course you know the lines are blurred. And because I think that win like I really did have such deep love for him as a person That I always I was always drawn to maybe trying to make it work romantically with us. But you know at the end of the day I we couldn't be together because at the time we were working together and you know and I think a lot of people would definitely put us together. Like you know it professionally. Of course you'd be going to events together all the time and we were definitely like a partnership duo But it just. It wouldn't have been appropriate to be a public relationship with him because I started off working for him But of course you know. Sometimes the lines were blurred which he would always kind of have a reality. Reality check to go back with but No the the plan was that I was going to go away for good brother and you know and I. This is something that I was GonNa do for me because I wanted you know I had previously been in a relationship for five years and I feel like I lost a lot of my independence and this is something that really could have been a good challenge for me that I could learn to more independent and kind of do something for myself Become a better person for it And then maybe this'll be kind of like my L- boss big thing that I could do before you know settling down 'cause also before. I left I had always been you know kind of like I wanted to like a party girl but I definitely like you'd be socialite to go to events I like to live a single lifestyle So I was like well maybe I can go away and they come back and Marty can continue Our relationship I'll go work for whether it's myself which is what I do now or maybe I'll go work for another PR agency or something like that But definitely this'll be a good way to like cut the cut all the professional ties. It Mardian I have really keep us together to you. Know I can come back and then we can just we continue. Continue Things Romantically But we were. We weren't in an exclusive relationship. Any we weren't even I wouldn't even say we were in a relationship because he was dating other girls when I left And then I was of course dating other guys on our last which by the way they all they all. Don't talk to me now because things I've been on the show but they're not like I mean I dated this like talking and hanging out or whatever but But it just it wasn't even my love for him was so so serious relationship together with other than our friendship that we had Was it a serious romantic relationship I Don I mean when it came out like it wasn't until I know it wasn't a huge media store because he did absolutely leak private messages and videos and photos and things like that which which were strategically leaked so it makes me look bad and ruin my reputation But it wasn't until like my actual like family members and my other best friends and other people that know. Us started coming out and saying you know this. They're not together like yours. A picture of them kissing. But it's not what it looks like it. Just it just was a total kind of smear campaign about my character which is really crazy to me because no matter how if the roles were reversed and he had done that and got on a show and I was hurt because I get that he was heartbroken. I would've never drug his name. Mud like that He was also paying people to cover the story as well So that was Kinda how it got. More I guess accelerated because he was paying these media outlets to to talk about it and to come on and do interviews and then because he I mean he owns a digital marketing agency. So he knows how to really you know have have. The News. Spread quickly You know putting paid advertising behind his interviews and really trying to this character other than that He also told the guy that was taking over my instagram to. I guess I he convinced him to change my contact or my. Yeah my contact email to my sociable email. Which I'm obviously locked out of you know I don't have access to And they also. 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I'm going on the show but don't worry about anything. I'm not going to get with any guys. I'M GONNA come back to you. We're GONNA GET OUR GONNA do amazing race guys. We're going to do amazing race together and that was one of the tax that you would send them. We're going to be on amazing race together and then within I guess. Three days of the show there was live feed post that you were sleeping with Jackson. Michi- yeah and so that's where he got all that's what that's what caused him to release the stuff that he did and understandably so well the other thing is is. I feel like looking back on it like I feel like with The relationship that men Mardi had and even though. I'm still extremely heartbroken. The best friend anymore. I mean I I tell people all the time that like. I'm coming back from the show. Like I was the loneliest. I've ever been because I didn't have my best friend anymore. Like my entire Dallas lifestyle and you know existed for the people that are circle that I was hanging out with. It all changed because of that and you know. It's very unfortunate but I I feel like I always. I always had supported him in everything that he wanted to do. And I was a little shocked by how much he didn't support me in me. Going on big brother It started out. It honestly started a lot of arguments between US leading up to me leading And Uh so a lot of things that I was saying. Were maybe an over. Overreaction me over Over expressing my love and my like thoughts towards him because I was trying to maybe in a way I guess like win his approval of me going on the show for some reason. And I'm not saying that that's like right wasn't the approving of you being on the show because he's he I mean I I hate to like even like this whole 'cause I 'cause I don't I guess because I know how it felt for him to have a whole media tour kind of talking about about me I don't really want. I don't WanNa talk bad about him but but sixty But he was he was a very kind of Jealous PERSON IN A way. I mean I have another so I would always talk about my two best friends. I have my best for our you know had my best friend. Marty and I have my other best friend Anthony where we have been either best friends for thirteen years. You know he's like a brother to me and he's you know his family but it was like getting the point. Where like Marty was getting upset at me? Even going to hang out with Anthony for Anthony's birthday. You know like things like that that were like totally not even normal considering that he was also dating other people and he knew that. I was dating other people like that. It was just a very weird jealousy. Kind of thing With hanging out with the other thing was is I was. I did have a job as influence before going on the show and I was getting. I've got some pretty cool deals. Like one of them was with The MLB all-star game and He like always managed to like take my deals and Kinda like cling onto them. An post about them like they were actually his deals so like that it was also the monster energy model and he also kind of like would post about that kind of claiming them as if they were like one of his clients and all they hold on like this kind of stuff that. I'm doing with these big brands like it's not. It's nothing to do with him but because he was kind of jealous of he was jealous of personal relationships. But also jealous of I. Think like my professional growth I think that we would have happy together. As the plan that we talked about actually came to fruition. I don't think that I would have been able to really go. And Thrive and be the person. I'm supposed to be because I think he would have always tried to hold me back or or maybe not hold me back would try to cling to whatever it was that. I was doing which is very interesting because then I mean he also sang with big brother like he managed to use a situation to then cling on to another another one of my professional growth opportunities and make it about him which he tried to do and luckily when people came forward and I think that people got to know the real me they realized. Okay there's something more to this than than just what Marty saying. So you guys were never boyfriend and girlfriend Well I actually know. We weren't But I think that we did things that may be boyfriend and girlfriend do but I mean like I don't but we were never like like I mean the crater that was like my parents didn't even dated and now we were together so imagine the shock to them when they're seeing all this news all the news and then even more so like my parents were always very kind of Marty. They treated him like a son. He would come to our family. Get Togethers on the holidays because his family doesn't live here and And he was always my friend. Who's never my boyfriend and my whole family knew that But at the same time like my dad was trying so hard to like. He was trying to contact with Artie. And trying to call up and trying to say like you know like Hey. Can we please talk about this? And Mardi wouldn't answer his calls. 'cause Mardi was so much more thirsty for the cloud that he was getting through like going to different media outlets that he wouldn't even talk to my parents who are like the kindest people in the world and then on top of that I had of course left some stuff over his place. Because you're doing things that you know people that are boyfriend girlfriend. Do I guess but I would. I left since F is at his place and then He finally texted. My Dad was like you need to come pick up Catherine's stuff and He kind of ran them on a rat chase like at least five times. They had to you know they live in Lewisville. So it's like a forty five minute drive that drive to Dallas to come up my stuff only to have him not answer the door whenever they got there and then they'll drive back and then they're like. Oh sorry I was in the shower so they would drive back. Try Give Myself. And it was a very like you. Use emotionally torturing them. I mean my parents in deserve that so I think it takes a special kind of manipulator to you. Know to tell somebody that they loved them but then run that person and their family through all that you know. I don't know so when he was going to the big brother boards and whatnot. And saying that's my girlfriend. Here's all the videos of her before she left saying that she loves. This is really interesting which is really interesting because he told me to send a video but whatever okay so you guys were never boyfriend girlfriend. But it was a relationship. I guess. Just kind of playing devil's advocate here. Could you see where he would ever think you he was? You were his girlfriend. I can see where he would use the opportunity to manipulate people into making me look bad Because we were very clear like we had even if we wanted to be boyfriend and girlfriend. The fact that I worked for him is really what always held us back from being that I mean he didn't even if there were times like oh like I do want to be your girlfriend or I want you to be my boyfriend. Whatever it was always like well you know what is so and so works going to think about that or you know like so. It wasn't so for that reason we weren't boyfriend and girlfriend and also you know I guess it wasn't meant to be and because I think that had we gotten in that relationship and we were exclusively boyfriend and girlfriend for that long. I don't think I would have gone on big brother I think he would have kept me from having not opportunity so yeah I think that's where people kind of I guess saw it as one of these things because it has happened on other shows where people say their interrelationship but they do go on the bachelor and the just say. Hey this is for me to promote my career. Don't worry nothing's going to happen. I'll come back to you. And then just all hell breaks loose and it's almost impossible and honestly I would have gone back to him. Had this not happened God showed his true colors. But I'm I remember when I was in the jury house like talking to Jack about how I couldn't wait to see Mardi and I was so. Yeah so excited to see him. And you know it's Kinda telling Jack like what you know about. Well well our relationship before all top and Like I was. I was super excited to see him again and talk to him but you know he just he I think I think that he is opportunist And he's a very successful person because I think a lot of successful. People are also opportunists. But I think that he saw this whole situation as a way to like. Hey like this is something about Catherine Bet. Just like he did with all the other things kinda latched onto it was also white from to latch onto and then make himself more superior to me and also I get that he was heartbroken so I understand why he did that but I think that it's a it's something that like. We could have had a conversation about and especially and especially because he's not he the fact that he was dating other girls like come on. You can't get mad at me for what I did on big brother but so when you when you got off the show and finally got your phone back and you found out this at all happened when because obviously you had no idea this was happening and he had this stuff until you know three months later when you got your phone because you get your phone for ninety nine days of filming once you heard about all of it did you just say. Oh fuck deck. I I'm done or did you try and reach out and be like what happened. Did you ever have a conversation with him about after words? Yeah actually so I found out about it because we do these backyard interviews where it's like a press media junket in the backyard where you know we go from person to person and I just by I my first interview. They brought up Marty out of nowhere and I was like what the GOP so weird but okay whatever. I think that they were like. Oh what do you do out of Jackson Nick or Marty? Who Do you pick and I was like okay? Random Mardi da you know and then and then after the interview she told me essentially. Hey just so you know like there's more to it but this is Kinda what happens so just be careful who will shit but then when I got my phone. Luckily I didn't get any of my my text messages from when I was away. 'cause I think that would have been heartbreaking But yeah I mean it was. It was really hard. Of course I was. I was like fuck that guy. I'll also very drunk the first night out because most alcohol I had drank in a long time but it was more like I for the longest time like I mean even now. I think that this is the first I've ever were and I guess it's over yet but this is the first interview that I've had that I haven't cried when I talk about him. because it was it was so heartbreaking like I lost my best friend and has kind of it kind of just quelled. He hasn't tried to interfere on anything. And you guys this go separate ways since then. Well I mean there was I would. I mean I'm crazy girl you know and I would and every once in a while especially you know especially when I'm having night I would tell them and I'd be like you know. I can't believe you did that to me like like. Please talk to me like I want closure so there actually was one conversation that we had a couple. I guess it was like a couple of months ago when it was really it was It was while he was away out of town. I do know that. But he had this long conversation and it was good for closure But the crazy thing is that the whole time. We're having this conversation. I really wish that I could have like really poor by heart out to him but I was just so worried that he was recording the conversation to use against me so it's like so they're not kind of realize like wow. I really trust like now. Yeah like and it's not even like trust is a trust. Like Oh like. Are you going to cheat on me or you can just like normal relationships? Have it was trusted? Like are you going to record this conversation and sell it to the media? You know it just? I don't know it's unfortunate but yet is I mean. I'm glad you talked about it. I appreciate you talking about that because probably easy you know it was. It was something to where it became a big thing. And that's why I said so the whole time. I'm watching you because I found that out three days you were because because I didn't know and maybe you can clear this up. I'm only asking this because you put yourself on this show. There are live feeds. There are live feeds and bedrooms. Whatever the case may be so now people can talk about your sex life. Yes I know surprised so so did. I don't know if it happened. Just read that it did based on life feeds that you and the reason that Marty did this was because on the live feeds in the first three days that you had hooked up with Jackson. Not Jack Jackson. Yeah so the I feel like it kind of turned into a little bit of like the Mandola Affect because the first week that were in the house. There's no live feed There's there's there's not at all but yet people they've stopped now because it's it's completely over but people would send me messages and be like Oh. I saw a video of you in Jackson having sex elving. No you didn't like I promise you you did not why there's just there's like so. Many people were talking about in saying that. They saw habit that people who actually believe that happened I haven't watched the show but From what I've heard because I've talked to Jackson on this show the clip. They showed a clip of us in bed And I guess it was like when I was like hugging him or something and then they dubbed. Kissing always on top we always. I've actually not even supposed to talk about production but like I mean but it just goes to show that like. There's definitely like there's tricks dating tricks you which I like. It's like I I understand the TV By and then of course you know. Jackson is your typical frat boy. He's GonNa go and talk to his buddies about you. Know like Oh ick. Slept with cancer in Los Angeles Oh the other thing is is Yeah like we actually did share a bed and I guess brother has made me very numb about like sharing beds with people because I mean of course like the married people in the house share a bed with anybody of the opposite sex but like but we were all the time and also like at late at night whenever the lights are often everyone's asleep that's also kind of win. Our Mickey was able to Kinda sneak in and give me some of the some of the details of what's going on the other side of the House 'cause Even I mean the first couple the first two weeks were very turbulent in and me and Mickey's relationship obviously but like the first week like what he was very helpful getting me information from the other side of the house so this is all stuff that we were talking about late at night. And I don't know I mean it's weird but I don't know I guess if anyone ever accused of sleeping with someone just tell them I go knows we're talking game. I don't know so so you didn't. I'm taking that answer. So you didn't is. What an answer but I just I wanNA try to explain to my mom all the time too. 'cause my mom she's like. I don't understand why y'all don't just like tell everyone that you did it and it's like well it's not that easy when literally and our NRT. I'm like already cringing right now because already nominated slammed for this by all of the trolled and fans. 'cause they'll attack they'll be like we saw that you said that are we saw. You did it and I'm like no you didn't like it. Just there's so many people that have already made up their mind about what they saw and what they think that it's I really like. It's it's like I don't even want. I don't even like to come clean about some things because it's like it. Because they already know they already know what they think they know. And there's no telling them otherwise I do. I'm a liar or fake or whatever you know I I deal with this house. Our world people have. It's facts aren't even facts. Aren't facts anymore? It's everyone's own. Self truths is what we've come to as a society now. If someone believes something happened even if you present fax to them in their mind well no. That's not true that whatever you WanNa call it fake news. Whatever the case may be exactly everybody's GonNa have their own opinions based on their own self truths and with their own self beliefs and most people aren't going to admit that. Oh maybe I was wrong about that unfortunately and especially when it comes to reality TV. So so I kinda. I'm I'm kind of like a Kardashian. I guess is so I I just will literally just let people run with some of this stuff every once in a while I you know I love getting on read it and I love you. You know like I love hearing the rumors and talking about it and whatever Sometimes I will like. They'll be something that they're talking about it so not even true but I will look them. Kinda run away with it because I'm like you know what it's fun. Whatever it's all good fun Very rarely do I ever come on and I'm like that's true because I just the backlash that I would get of like setting the record straight. No one wants to hear that like there's There was one instance. Like I kinda I kinda Some oh this is so this is kind of a rabbit hole or whatever but like someone on Reddit got on and they were slamming Tommy and saying how. There's no way that Tommy could've won the game like everyone in the house hated up and I was like hold on. I was like actually like He. If he would have been he would have won. I'm telling you to literally everyone in the house would've voted my. That was my guess. This makes the finals. He's GonNa win. He seems almost likable guy. It would it would have been you honestly would probably probably been unanimous but but this is going on and on about how like. Oh everyone hates Tommy. He had no chance of winning bulb law and so I went on and I was like no actually probably the whole thing. You know what I just told you. And then that fan came back at me and was like of no like what are you know like trying to like basically put me in my place and I was like look personal bitch? I was in the house. I'd love to these people actually know what's going on. But he just didn't he already had his idea made and he didn't want anyone telling him otherwise even though I was the one that was actually in the house living the whole game. But whatever showbiz speaking of Tommy. This was this was an interesting thing. This season was the fact that Tommy elected me. Well besides that that I'm not over yet. Apparently not his pre show relationship with Christie Chris. Christie was in a seven year relationship with his cousin. Was it his aunt an aunt? That's right okay. So we we we as an audience know this from day one. You guys did anybody at any point. During Ninety nine days think that Tommy and Christie knew each other pre show. It's so funny because there's actually clips I have to go find it. You know like the little Twitter links like transcribe all the conversation. There is a conversation where I'm Telling I think holly that. I'm going to start a rumor that Christy and Tommy know each other and that was basically nothing you were just saying. Like messing around like a troll. People who do like I should have started that because it would have made them totally unravel but whatever no tommy and Christie. Were hiding in plain sight. I mean they were They Kinda had they called it a gay man. Because you know they're both LGBTQ and they they. They really bonded about that quickly. You know. They're like oh like were. You know it's a gay man segment. Okay cool do whatever And so they just got super close super faster so we thought but And Yeah and they were absolutely just hiding in plain sight so they were that they were that good at covering up their past and nobody ever caught talking with horrible covering of the postures. Also so many clubs. Now that I'm seeing where Christie it? It's funny to watch or even show where Christie's like talking about like her house is like. Oh Yeah I live like three blocks away from Tommy and they were all just like whatever you know. We're just dumb honestly they. They were hiding in plain sight. I mean that's like it's like that's the crate. I mean you'd be surprised by like how many what you can get away with really hiding in plain sight. If you just approach something with confidence that no one really questions but But yeah that was quite the plot twist well I mean. Look I'm sure. Christie is a is a nice individual. I'm sure she's got a lot of friends. I'm sure she's made friends. You guys probably all keep in touch her. She's got a a a group of neutrons from the show but she was unbearable to watch for me. Christie is the most polarizing person from the season. I think I mean. Take it from me. Who DIDN'T WATCH SEASON? Good there. It's like people either think that she is the best game player of the season or they can't stand like there's no in between like she either has hardcore stander hardcore haters She is so cool in the real world like. She's probably one of the most drastically different from the house and everyone we'll talk about it Like if she would have been how she is in the real world in the house like she would have for sure watches. She's so chill. She so responsible she just as I. She's nice and funny and she does not that person in the House I guess but we obviously the lot you would like her. If you met her in person like I said I'm sure I would just like me and now I don't know you seem fine now before you were questionable. Know what happened with with Christie. Was it was just like? I didn't realize I thought she was playing a game. It was just every single thing and look. I can't. It's hard for me to speak for her because I've never been in that situation. I've never been isolated from everybody in my life for ninety nine days so I get where that could wear on you. You Talk to anybody. Who's been on reality? It's just a different experience when you can talk to friends and family or text anybody that you know forever and you have no idea what's going on the outside world so I'm guessing combined with. Maybe she is an emotional person. It was just she would break down and crying in a confessional over something so small i. That's what I couldn't watch but nothing to do with her game. Play craziest the craziest thing it is. I did not realize that she cried that much because it was always in confessionals. Oh she was good. I mean I didn't watch the show from based on what I've heard of her character on the show she was she was like you said people either really liked. I think you could actually still like her game but just wish she would cry so much. I mean that was yeah was it just seems like my. Gosh but then I have myself in their shoes like okay. Maybe she's just really missing home. And wasn't junior Tommy's aunt wasn't that relationship ended like pretty close to her leaving for filming or was that a while by. Actually I don't know the time line with that. Maybe maybe that had something to do with her. I doubt I think I just think people crazy because the Christie that I know now like she's like I mean when I say that she's just like a cool girl she just hasn't together like I can't even picture her crying out in the real world and someone like me who only knows her from. The show is like yeah. I know I know you just have to. You've have her on and then y'all can talk and you'll be like okay now I get it Yes she's she's just Chill but man. The Big Brother House really makes people crazy the other thing that came up and I think 'cause here's here's something that maybe you don't know and you didn't find out until after the show. There was about a three or four week. Run in the middle of the summer where people who had direct TV lost CBS law. Heard that so. I'm trying to remember at one. I don't even know if I saw your boot from the show. I can't remember at what point my but I have direct TV. So I missed nine episodes right in the middle of the season. It was right around July and victim dressed as the lumberjack. Anyone except for Jess on my way out because I was so over everyone their shit okay. I don't remember I. It's hard to remember because you see so many of actions. You see so many competitions and head of House. Okay so then you must have a good week though you must close angels week. I can't remember if I get when Jessica was h and then Jack got addicted. Did I see Jack Get evicted? I think I think it was back on. I remember seeing him. That was before that was before I got addicted a week before. Then I think it was then I think the blackout for CBS. On TV happened after Jack. 'cause I I know I saw jacket victim okay cool. It might have been the week that I got addicted so there was a three week chunk which was basically with three episodes a week. Those nine shows that I missed and then you know a lot. Yeah and then. That's kind of when I started getting more into the boards to fill me the twitter accounts to fill me up. Fill me in on what was going on then. Now this is what I don't remember so I'll ask you. Did it. Come out on the show or was it people that did background checks research that you and holly knew each other going into the house knew of each other what was a relationship with holly pre show. So I'm an idiot and I actually you know law while I was talking with Jackson the first week. 'cause I 'cause we he I just you know color me stupid. I thought I could trust them and I like I trusted him with the fact that I knew holly production didn't even know yet And Mike wasn't on so I thought that he thought it was like being slick but because I wasn't So I think that that was kind of like their first heads up they called me and said the Dr the Dr too which is like where you go. If you're like in trouble or have to take meds the call me in an hour like hey do you know holly and I like no. And they were like okay. We'll just wondering because overheard you last night time. Mckee that you did and then so I kinda like came clean with them but in I kind of forgot about it. 'cause on it because at the end of the holly didn't know each other like we she was a rockstar energy model. I was a monster energy models so we kinda ran in the you know the pro model circles And then as she was a patron garage girl. I follow all the hot girls on instagram. So of course I follow her on instagram and She was also helping helping out at a project. One time that I was in But it was a very like Distant relationship if that you know it's like we're we're their pictures of guys pre show though there's there's one pitcher of her when she was missed Wyoming and then me I was going to watch it was it was at a pageant. I was going to watch. I just like took a fan photo with her. Okay so when when Holly- saw you in the House? Did she realize that she knew you or no? Yes she did so I mean we definitely like new. I feel like we kind of had like are so what I thought we had. I felt like we kind of had a mutual understanding of like. Hey like we should be working together because you know we have a lot of mutual friends back home. That are probably rooting for us. You know I like why. Why would you burn somebody that you know your friends whether your friends are friends with thought to understanding so you know we just kind of? We didn't really talk about it at much. We just I assume that she was like my wife. My go-to person turns out that was not what she thought I don't know why she did this or said this but it wasn't until I got home that I realized that she talked a lot of shit about me I mean she. There was a lot of things that she said that we're completely unnecessary publicly on the show. Confessionals or behind on the live feeds like twitter talking to people like Cher member. She told she was She had told I think Christy. And Tommy that I was a gold digger or something like first of all. I'm not I'm not a gold digger but why why would you even say that about somebody in the House and decisions you would turn around and tell me like like hey just so you know like people think that I don't like you but it's just because I don't want them to know that we know each other and it was like okay. Well you don't have to like talk shit till like like we know each other you know which is why so it was just like a little strange I think that maybe she just kinda wanted to talk shit and she kind of like use that as an excuse to talk shit Bi So. I don't know but we didn't really it wasn't like a Christie Tommy scenario of US telling each other and I know a lot of fans won't understand this But about me. And Holly being in house together with no sorta twist was really just like I just kind of happened Which is honestly not that much of a rare rarity because pageant girl than pro girls were always being cast for different shows. So it's like it's just a small World Hannah Bachelor has made a point of it. The last two seasons with a yes. I've known every season of the bachelor. I know at least two girls because the pageant world and the Promo World and It just it's it's not that strange to have to pattern girls on reality show. I guess I just didn't remember. I just remember it as what the relationship was going in. I think I I thought it was like. Oh they know of each other but you would. They did like did what did both of them tax saying. Can't wait to see in the house beforehand. The answer would be now. Okay yeah so in terms of the show itself and like I said I'm not going to sit here and break down everything you've got a victory on day fifty eight which was a little a little over. Halfway through the season you go into the jury house You develop a relationship with Nick Who when he got evicted was. I guess somewhat serious with Bella. I am getting so I don't again. Here's a situation where I'm sure has a story. Nick has his side and Bella has her side. And you have your side. But there was a lot of hatred towards you in nick and or actually more towards nick at the way he treated. Bella once again our that you and nick had a relationship. So how do you cover that? Or how did you talk? Nick is a very I think nick is a very in the moment. Kind of person And I think he is I. I don't know I mean like when you first got out of the key. I know that he had gotten a lot of crock. Because God did he. Kinda win latched onto says Because they had that Kinda flirty relationship And I don't he he has such a great heart he really does. I don't think he was trying to be any KINDA. I don't think he was trying to be that guy I think he just is a very young big heart full of love and he's very in the moment and you know whatever But Bella did. She broke up with him over twitter when the that that week that he was. I guess like Oliver says or whatever So I mean I don't really see that's kind of strange thing about the whole Bella thing is like it. I think that when Bella got out and I mean all all say it. Nick was not very well liked person on the show like he pretty much everyone. There is general consensus bottom. Serie JACKSON'S I. I think that maybe when bell off the show and she realized that she wasn't really well liked on the show and then shelter is. Nick wasn't liked on the show. I think it was very convenient for her to then play the whole like. Oh I hate Nick Card and I'm going to publicly. I don't endorse him and what he does. I'M GONNA break up with an all when really. She knew exactly what Nick was doing. And the hostile time because they were doing it together and I honestly think that Bellas. The reason. Why Nick was slimy decisions he made. We're kind of fueled by Bella. So I mean she can't she can't act like she didn't create that but I don't know I mean. I think it was convenient for her to be on the Anti Nick Train. And then whenever the stuff aired about me and nick being super close in the jury house it was inconvenient for her to guess like retract her breakup statement and then act like she was like heartbroken by neck. But I mean if she's if she's how in the world like live in acting like not supporting Nag being hearst. Wholesome lifestyle like she can't she can't inconveniently come back and play the victim And I get that. It's like it's weird and it's an it was an in. It's got a little bit nick. Also he asked production in the jury. How can I like him? And I worked very close injury and we were hanging out every day and We were spending a lotta time together and developing feelings and Nick was always always asking the production like can I please talked about like like monitored phone call? Just let me talk to her so I can you know in things because he realized that and also I think he had also heard stories from us about how like she had treated US House and he realized that he was kind of blinded by the whole Big Brother. Fang and she was actually kind of a shoe. That wasn't the type of person that he wanted to be with So just like wasn't working out but she just I mean she just conveniently plays whatever cards she can win she can and I don't really respect cloud. Well you guys as the jury gets a vote on the winner and it got down to obviously Holly and Mickey I. When I did my interview with the person from an I I apologize to her for forgetting her name I think it was around final four. Maybe it was the final five when I did the interview with her and I said if tom gets my prediction is if Tommy gets to the finals. I think he wins. I said if Jackson gets to the finals he wins or and I said if holly gets there don't see any way that holly wins just because there were plenty of H H is. That still hadn't taken place but I I just think I don't know I mean I guess it depends on the jury. Each jury is different and and I knew nothing about pass juries on this show if they vote with their head or they will with their heart or they vote based on ability. And if you want a ton of Peop- head of household you're probably GONNA end up winning in the end when I saw Jackson. And Holly in the finals those like. I don't see any way holly wins. This people are GonNa vote for Jackson just because he was so dominant. And who did you vote for? I forgot I actually. I voted for Holly. Why because I guess Not that you couldn't go coming from because I think truly like I don't know if I would have voted for her against anybody else. I don't know we'd have to see but I mean she did like she kinda herself up all season to land in second place because she was playing the supporting role to Jackson. Yeah and so it really is only I mean. That's what everyone saw is that she was you know she was kind of riding along and she did and she was. I will say doing a lot of strategic social moves and really holding Jackson back and saving Jackson a lot of different situations that I don't think people necessarily saw but from from what it looks like probably on TV and even to people in the House. It looked like the people that she wasn't really talking game to it definitely look. She's playing a supporting role to his win But I I had worked closely with both with Jackson in hallway. So I had seen a lot of Jackson about to make an explosive move. You know socially that were totally. Put a target government's done him addicted and holly was the one Kinda holding back and I just think that her social game was a lot stronger than his. He wasn't there and And I just I wanted to make a good like I wanted to make a clear decision and not based on I really I don't. I don't think that someone should win big brother based on how many competitions they win Because it's so much more than like it's also social game so then like whenever you look at Holly and you think Ok. She actually won a bit a competition you know. She was like two or three hundred households. I can't remember. Yeah so she did so she so she really. She was kind of like the complete package as far as a winner. Goes I mean she had a great physical game? Her social game. I thought was better than Jackson's. No one ever look at Jackson. Like the most competence. Total Beast veges. His social game. Wasn't there so I wasn't that moment. I felt like she deserved the win over him. I think that she deserves my vote over him. I think he definitely deserved the win. In the long run you know now now that we kinda like are looking back at everything. Yeah no I thought it was I just. I just thought the jury would look at it as she's not in the finals unless Jackson carries are there. That's the way I looked at it. And the only the only way that she would have one is if she would have one. Hoa Final Three and took the other person over Jackson. The only way that she would have one because I would have been just a savage is move But I mean truly. I mean it was there. Yeah but you know the other thing is though is it? She went the longest to the season without being nominated and she wasn't nominated until there was no one else to nominate like she had to be nominated. And that's a really good social strategy to And I'm not sure if people like I will say. At first I think annelies she might have avoided the block a couple times because people were a little frightened of Jack. And what you do But I don't I can't really say that same for Holly. I don't think anyone would necessarily afraid of what Jackson would do. If someone holly up I think she was just consistently good with everybody in the house. So okay say the final two or Jackson and Nicole. Who are you voting for Nicole? I honestly I I mean I can say this now because I've already said I already know about wearing Jackson seen him and I had a very explosive relationship in the house So now we're cool but like based on the way that he treated me in the House and again like I don't WanNa dwell on that because we've moved on but But there was just. There is no way that he was gonna get my vote in the finals. Because I mean all but also from that standpoint Which I think has. That's not really necessarily being bitter. I think that that's him showing that his social game is a little chaotic But I just I wasn't gonNA I wasn't planning on voting for the competition. Beasts winner But I will say this a lot of people that watch the show think that Nicole would have been like a runaway winner. Had she made it to final two and I don't thinks that she would have because we don't see what goes on in the show. We don't watch the live feeds. We don't we don't really realize a lot of things going on. I don't know if she whatever it just. Depending on how her final speech would have gone but You know we're in the house. I don't think anyone would say that they were gonNA vote for Nicole so if it was Jackson and Nicole you voted for Nicole in was Jackson. And Holly you voted for Holly. What if the final two was Holly Nicole? I I. I'M GONNA get a lot of. I might get a lot of hate for this because I know that everyone stands Nicole so hard But I just I did not know enough about Nicole's game to give her my really would've depended on how that On how that conversation or how her final speech wet and then at the same time I mean me and holly did have. We had a final two. We were working in the game together. We were closer than me in a culture. I mean realistically I would vote for Holly but do you think Nicole would've won. If they were the final two Nicole. Almost I feel I know the stands are going to come after me so hard. I don't because you also have to because you also have to realize that jury was so it was so comprised like made up of grateful members that eight Alliance of eight from the beginning That they think that they thought that grateful was the greatest lines of all time and that they were going to vote for someone in grateful over someone not ungrateful and also you have to realize that. Nicole's reason why grateful broke up so would they? I mean I don't know and I also don't know if they really respected that game move from who thinks that they. I think that they thought that instead of it being a game move I think they viewed it as more of like Eh. She accidentally did this. And this is what happened. You know she was just running her mouth So if she could have spoken about that and I- orchestrated that plan and got here then maybe they would have respected it but you have to realize that jury was all grateful so one of those people were GonNa win. What about Nicole and cliff final two? Who Do you oh I wanted to cliff to win so bad. That was that was. Yeah I was. I was leading the cliff. Fan Club injury so much like one time. I started crying because I was so passionate about like China. I convinced into like we're talking bad about cliff so like crying and then there were like ways. Clinton Really Your Dad. Because you're like getting away to emotional that standing up for him. Well okay so that ends. Obviously there's stuff that comes out about. You said you you and Jackson have had kind of a tumultuous you had a very explosive relationship in the house. But you're fine now recently. In fact yesterday I didn't even know this was a thing since you started started. Doing your interviews. You have said that you and holly are no longer on speaking terms. And I don't know I didn't know any of this I have not spoken to holly so I have no idea what her side is. What you say about what happened. I mean I think that we're both pretty clear on like I don't even think there's necessarily a side I mean are maybe are now but I I. It happened back in February. I think yeah happened back in February and people were slowly noticing. The her and I didn't follow each other and insert them anymore and they would. They were asking about it a lot but I I did. I see and I still don't like I don't think it's necessarily like respectful to like give details of why we had a falling out but at the end of the day like. I think that you know she can agree on this like there. Were a couple FE DIFFERENT. Instances that had happened in the past whether you know on the show or whatever that I think that maybe she was harboring towards me and Eh just Kinda I think that once you have a lot of feeling bottled up to eventually explode which it did and it is one thing to have a fight with a friend but like a lot of things were said that it just friendships had to be severed at that point. Because you can't say something to someone that's like you know so rude and then just say like you know just happen. I mean like the things that were said. Were definitely thoughts. That had been had so. Yeah we both realized that it was healthier if we just weren't friends anymore because coming from both sides did she say stuff to you and you said stuff to her and it was like well. I mean I mean this is my stories. Of course I was in the right now. I I'm sure like I mean. I'm sure that there's saying that I probably upset her. By which caused this reaction but I don't know I mean I would be stupid to sit here and be like. Oh It's all hurt with me because obviously there's two sides every stories. I'm sure that she has reasons debt that she said the things that she did But Yeah I mean I. It's really unfortunate though because I really do. I miss her a lot I feel I cur and I like. We had kind of an unlikely friendship in a way. Because she's very kind of you know sarcastic and dry humor and you know a little bit. You know kind of a little bit bitchy there and I've never really had a friend like that and you know she kind of make fun of me but it was. I thought it was odd. Maybe it wasn't looking back back but I really liked her. Is kind of dynamic on our friendships with unfortunate that it's not gonNa work out and maybe we'll someday but until then it's just going to have to it a difficult honorable. I don't know I'm I'm not really sure That is why I mean I hope so. That's why I'm kind of careful whenever I do interviews and I'm sure she's not happy with me like going on going on in interviewing about this stuff anyways I don't know I mean maybe Sunday will look back on it and laugh good as of right now. It's not healthy for us to be friends anymore. Okay so whatever. The situation was what percentage of it had to do with anything that happened on the show. Or is this something more po show stuff. Well I will say it was a wine night. So of course like maybe have. A percentage of it had to do with wine. I'm getting kind of getting of course when you're when you're drinking wine everything. Kinda get does related. You know that probably with a lot to do with a lot of it but I wouldn't say with what had happened on the show. I think it was more of the perception of what had kind of what had happened when we got off. I mean I want to be careful because I want to get too much information because I I just feel like it. You don't want to kind of be respectful to her but I think I mean she had mentioned that like whenever I don't know she mentioned it whenever we hang out like fans will. Dm Her and be like. How can you hang out with cats? She so Immature she so this so that Kinda talking. Bad about me which versatile. I don't believe that I think she might just use that as a leverage to like about me but but I think that maybe like on that same note maybe fans had been messing her saying things about you know me or you know like what you know different things and because that's also something that kind of played into Knicks. Demise is that fans were messaging ham and saying things like. Oh you know. Did you know that cat did this or I heard that cat did that? And it's hard not to let that subconsciously. Get into your head So I think it was more. It was less of really what happened on the show and more of her. Having all these subconscious thoughts that people have either been telling her things that she had read and maybe things that she had seen or heard about that went on the show and it just kind of all lead to one thing and a big fight so when this fight happened you guys were physically together at the at the. Yeah I actually. I'd gone to La on my way to Bagasse. And I decided to stop in allow on the way So I had stayed there for a couple of days also to get some work done. I like to go there well. When I'm not quarantined. I go there a couple times. A month but We would usually stay with holly in Jackson but but now I don't know I don't have a place to stay but yeah so yeah so we were like physically together. Well I mean I don't want to say I'm glad that you guys aren't friends anymore. But I'm saying I'm glad that whatever happened happened in person as opposed to just sniping you know back and forth whatever yeah. I agree with that. I don't know I I'm sure that in a couple years ago maybe we'll look back on it. There's so many there's so many times that like something happens. Especially now that like me a nigger going through our break up There's so many things I wish I could texter. And Belie- are like just show or talk to her about bed that I'm like. Oh Yeah we're not friends anymore so so I thought that was. That's the next topic. Let's move on to the other relationship that dissolved in your life. Who Am I love relations and left and right? Ticking time bomb. I'm getting so recently within the last I guess week or so. You had You and nick have have called off you guys. Broken up well we. It happened a little bit. It happened over. We which today today happened on the night. We just. We just didn't go public about it until recently because I I just I wasn't really prepared for their stand backlash and whatnot. So so what I've gathered from. This is that. Did you guys really break up over an instagram live? Like what the Communists option so we do not break up over. Inserm lives we. We were already. They're already a couple things going wrong or not wrong. But a couple little you know speed bumps here and there in our relationship and It was we especially with the quarantine going on and we are long distance It was definitely making things a little bit harder And the timing of everything is just. It wasn't conducive to our relationship I mean I mean one thing is like like I. I work from home so it didn't. It didn't necessarily change my day to day that much. Because yeah because you know. It's I work from home. So that's the beauty of working social media which is great but I'm so I was still kinda like living my life and staying busy but then again he's a therapist so his work had stopped so I think it was like a little bit of confusion based on just like The Times that we would talk. You know he's at home according to this board and you know he'd WanNa talk all the time and I'm like why can't just like sit and facetime you all day like I work to do and you know there's that and then also just kind of like the same thing I'd mention with Holly? You Know People Messaging Him commenting on his staff saying that like Oh Katherine really liked you. Then she would be quarantined with you not even like not even keeping in mind that my family lives in Dallas said I'm based out of Dallas. Of course I have like realistically. Yeah like I have to say here but fans are trying to make it into something that it wasn't and then like there was even a story that came out that it was fake. They're like Catherine hasn't liked or commented on any of his photos since two thousand nineteen. That's not true but whatever so like different things like that that were kind of I think subconsciously getting to him and to getting to me and wants the straw breaks on the camel's back then breaks So all that said we were going on in our mind that night and I brought him in and he he kinda like lashed out at a fan a little bit because some fan made a joke about him living at home with his mom and then he goes like oh like. Let's go bank account to bank account which is so awkward and like who says that so I was an eye being me trying to lighten the mood and I made a joke that you decide if it was in poor taste and I said Oh if I lived at home with my mom I would have more money in a two which is true not true. It's true because you you don't have a rent to pay unless the mother is charging me I'd like and he jokes about living home all the time so I didn't think about even a big deal but for some reason like at that moment he got so upset. He log onto my facebook. Ornamentation logged on Monster mlive. He started coming up in the comments and being like Your Dad paid for your college ball. What the heck like visit escalating quickly But we don't break up over in serum lives I I then like Kinda like finish alive and then I called him later and we. I asked him why he said those things that we talked about things that we had. You know maybe kind of played into him lashing out like that and we just both decided you know what at this point? It's just better also we just end it. You know okay Is this something that's done or is this will revisit. This when quarantine is up and we can actually see each other again and talk Definitely I go see him again when quarantines over. I think I owe that to happen. You know I mean I. That's pretty Shitty to break up over the phone Especially after all we've been through together and he actually he did. He did pay for my flight to go out there before quarantined started but I had to reschedule it because of Kovic. I think it'd be Kinda Shitty of me. If I took like flight credit that I have that he had bought go else depends on how savage. I feel at the moment I got so go. See Him And we'll talk over on person As far as if it's GONNA work out to be. I hate to say I hate to say no never because I care about him a lot and he's he's so important to me. We talk every day. I hope we're always in touch and always good terms but something I learned through all this is that completely in different parts of our lives so I don't really know if I don't know I mean. I think that he has a lot of in a way growing up to do you know and I think I I think in my but also like me. I have a lot of things I kind of need to get done. Also you know and work on myself so just right now at the time but we'll see what is this something to wear it when you say different part were at different points in our life is is marriage and kids something that he wants and you don't or vice versa or you talking that line of thinking maybe so. I mean yeah I think just kind of all of it like I mean he was talking about you know how he really struggles with being long distance and how he wants to you know he wants to move to the same place and it's like well. I'm not really ready for like an already a live in boyfriend or not really ready to get married and I'm already for any of that And and at the same time he is he still has a couple of other things yesterday for therapy license or I guess he had this therapy license. But there's another something he's working on. I don't know how that works. But you know he is of course focused on that and he can't really move anyways. Delegates that over with So it just I don't know I. It just wasn't working out for for us now. Okay well then. Just in terms of challenge people challenge. That was that was. We're GONNA talk about next but In terms of the big brother cast I once that season ended outside of you know maybe anything that one of the major outlets covered which I don't remember much of I don't think you know You know not until US weekly covered your break-up with Nick and did people know. Who's a couple still? Whose friends have there been falling outs with people. What's been the we're all? We're all pretty good terms Actually I I actually think we're all on graveyards. Were a lot of us are in a group taxed and even like even in holly even though we don't talk one on one word a group facts together like we're not like weird about it you know And Yeah I'm pretty much. We we all keep in touch. I mean I know that. Of course Jackson. Holly are still together. Actually our dog together. So they're thriving the lascaux man standing but Yeah I mean everyone. Annelies aren't together. No they broke up like right after the show there. Ya Know but in the jury house they were so cute together. I don't know I was I was I mean. Consider me the only one surprise that they broke up because I thrive off but you know but but things happen but but they're I mean they're both in the text together there obviously on good terms We're we're all under. I will say that I don't I mean if I had to talk to Hollier Bella I would talk to haul you so I mean that's that Kinda of goes I don't talk to Bella. Unfortunately I don't have to Kimmy I thought I thought a lot of things about her on the show on the live feeds that I you know really upset. Her and I've reached out and apologized since So I'm waiting for her to accept my apology But I guess everyone for the most part of our season is close with somebody else. So we're all they consider as he didn't twenty one to be like the most closest season. Everything yours interesting. I mean I think Tommy Christie Cliff Nicole. They seem well cliff Nicole. I think are probably close right. And obviously Tommy close. Yeah Oh and then we'll know Nicole and Tommy's brother are dating. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah isn't that some T. Brother is dating Tommy's brother. Know Tommy brother is dating Nicole. Tommy's brother is dating Nicole. I didn't know that in the House so funny because Tommy would always tell Nicole like I really think my brother like you liked. I know his type in your it. And they've been dating for I don't know how serious they are but I think they're pretty. They're at least instagram official. I did not know that. Yeah 'cause I don't follow any of them except Holly Ninety to follow me awful awful you know. I have a feeling and they've got to conspire against it. But I feel like as soon as I get off this. You'RE GONNA come out with this with this. Podcast edited to like total good. And then you're going to be like she was the worst interview ever no not at all. No it's going to be from the time I hit record to when we end this thing. I just run at it my podcast. Unless it's an audio issue and I have to cut stuff out because it sounded. Your phone has an cut out or anything like that. Mar. I'm just getting I'm just don't like me. At first I was just indifferent. I was like something something's up and obviously the first story I heard about you was the Mardi stuff and I'm always skeptical skeptical. Jesus I can't even pronounce the word. Skeptical about people who go on reality shows with significant others back home. Yeah and that was the impression I had my first impression of you was. Hey so is it a slow news? Week Finally Win Cameron reached out to your like sign. No you know what I had anybody on from your season and I was like you know what maybe I should start talking because it is a season that I did watch from beginning to end outside of the three or four weeks might. Tv didn't have CBS. But yeah I mean I I just never thought of it I was just booking guests and not thinking about big brother and You know your guy came to me and said would you like to have caffeine on. Mike will yeah and then nothing is as we talked about before you and I have a mutual friend because you're mavs dancer from twenty thirteen to two thousand sixteen percent right and I know someone who is a mavs dancer during that time. You Know Emily and so we have that in common. You were ABS- dance. World is so small. I'm a mavs season ticket holder the TV dance. I well the thing is obviously saw. You dance but I didn't know who you are at the time to do kind of look the same. The Blonde Hair Anna. Well they just bought the best answer the best blonde. That's me on the point. Will they used to have? I used to be able to say all the mavs dancers looked like but since there are no mavs dancers anymore and they took them away from the team. And let's talk about that real quick. How `Bout we talk about that? You are a bit. You've been outspoken. About being a dancer with the Mavericks and how things were as a mavs dancer. I want you to give your thoughts on the fact that you know the Mavericks for those that. Don't know the Dallas Mavericks. He Major Front office in Inst- investigation done against them There was some sexual harassment. Things done they had a whole revamp done after that after that happened. The next season the mavericks dancers uniforms were changed. They were less scantily clad I guess and then twenty nineteen season that started and went into this season. There were no maps dancers anymore. They basically cut the program and a lot of fans were not happy including myself. So give me your thoughts just being. Apps dancer being a dancer for an NBA team for three years. Just kind of what it was like in in your issues that you had with it now. Well they will they have. We've kind of spoken this before the show but they have revamped the mavs dancers move comeback. It's like a coed team which sounds really cheesy. But they're actually really good and they have a lot of A lot of the formats dancers that were on their back on the court as as well as some guys do like hip hop dances and whatnot. So it's really cool But they're big debut was actually the game right before the NBA shutdown. Okay Gotcha so kinda stinks. 'cause it's like 'cause. I follow a lot of the girls on instagram. And they were all so excited and all and we're gone so But they'll be back next season so you'll see the men got No I mean I. It was always my dream to be a professional cheerleader. I had tried out for the Dallas cowboys right when I graduated from high school. And then then when I graduated from College. I auditioned again. Beta training camp. Both Times Then after the second time you making training camp I decided that. Hey I should go audition for dancers and you know. Maybe I'll make it and I did and it was. It was some of the best memories of my life. I mean I you see my picture on. The side of a bus on. Billboards are all in the in the AFC. And I got to go to Bogota Colombia. Behalf of the Maverick stance earned on behalf of the Dallas Mavericks. And there's a lot of really cool experiences that I got that I'm super thankful for But I think that a lot of girls and this is definitely something that they do in Dallas Which someday I'll write a book on it If if there's even still professional cheerleaders at that point but but in city of Dallas. Like when you're when especially as the girl you know going to dance classes. They talk about the Dallas Cowboys. Cheerleaders like they are just the epitome of success and beauty and You should aspire to be doubts cupboards cheerleader. Because look how great they are which I do agree that they're great role models for young girls who are dancers but they placed so much of an emphasis on that in the Dallas. You know a younger dance. Gerald met a lot of these girls. They up thinking that that is what they want to be when they grow up like I mean in in Dallas. You'll ask I have five year. Old Girl what she wants to be when she grows up and she says adults cover sure later. And it's like okay. Well that's great but it's not your career you know. What are you going to do after that But because he's girls are Kinda bread to always grow up thinking that that's what they want to be when they grow up. They don't really look at the big picture and you know they're not they're not going to college to you know. Learn to be what they you know to learn their craft what they're gonNA do for their profession It's either. They're not going to college or they're just doing it on the side while also but it's like there's it that's the peak of a lot of these girls careers And they don't really talk about you know what's what's next. I think actually the DC do a good job. The girls do have to have full time jobs while they dance But the mavericks down and not a lot of teams. Do so you will. So what happens? Is You get a lot of these girls that the show about auditions? And they don't even care if they're getting paid like they. If they make the team they will dance for free. They will do for appearances because they just. They want to be accepted by the team. That's the Pitta me of success. That's what they've always dreamed of doing. Which is Great? Don't get me wrong. But it's like because they've been kind of molded to think this way then whenever someone speaks out or someone does you know says something or speaks up. Then they're kind of come back with the whole like okay. Well if you don't like it then we have a whole room of girls at thousands of girls who would love to take your spot so it also shows very replaceable And what you end up getting as you have a team of really severely underpaid dancers who are dancing games for free or they're taking these free appearances that organization is getting paid to thin them on And they're using their pitchers for different things and they're making money off of their likeness but the girls don't ever see any of it My Third Year of dancing my year to date pay was a thousand dollars. And that's when I'm showing up at pretty much all the Games and dancing and aside from that your practice for two hours every night that yeah You get paid hourly at practice. But the kicker is it's like you get paid seven dollars an hour for practice so you're getting paid fourteen dollars practice But there you're expected to be there from like five. Pm To sometimes eleven pm or midnight but because the contract is practices from seven to nine. That's all they pay you for the pay for two for two hours of practice But then if someone says oh I I have to work. I can't show up at practice for five out five six hours and not get paid then they just come back with the whole like okay. Well if you don't do it then I'm sure that this other girl who wants to for the team will do it. And I don't know I just agree with the whole like how it's kind of been this way of getting these girls to basically work for free when they The other thing is that they also try to act like it's going to be there like their step into stardom and this is going to kick off their entertainment career. But I can't think of any former dancers I mean in Dallas. I can't think of any that ended up turning it into entertainment career so getting bottle service. The club yacht school. But that's not that's not you're not famous and I think that they kind of play into lodgings goes emotions and they're different desires just so they'll they have for basically nothing But I love the girl actually. I was talking to a girl at night on mainstream live. Who was a dancer for the jets and I brought this up to her. Because I'm a pretty passionate about it But she was saying how I mean I would have done it for free. You know I just. I have the love of dance. It's like okay. Well that's the problem and nothing and says girl like A. It's a problem when you say things like. I'll do it for free because now you're cheapening the now. You're you're cheating your price. So then these teams organizations. They don't think that they need to pay these girls. Because you have girls like her who are great dancers beautiful people that are saying that bill for free so why would they pay you know another beautiful great answer more than they're paying the girl that'll do it for free My take is I think that they should if they want the NBA back on the NFL comes back. I mean truly the girls it might sound silly to someone outside the dance world but the girls really do put in enough hours and time. It truly is a fulltime job They should be paying them at least like forty forty k. Salary a year or season or maybe make it like how the players are based on the girls like based on their abilities and their techniques and maybe like how desire to be on the team then maybe hire contract value than say a rookie and it goes up in price and then if that's the dignity could also hire them on fulltime marketers. Where they could be doing their social media or were working on social media opportunities for In this case you know the Dallas Mavericks like all day like it's their full time job and then they'll practice and I don't know I mean I know that probably sounds deleted someone who's a lot of people think that they just show up at the Gabe dance but there's a lot of hours that go into it. No I mean. I've heard that these girls are being compensated for it. All we've heard through the years I mean there's been lawsuits put up. I think the raiders cheerleaders did it. Were basically saying like we are. We are grossly underpaid for how much time we have to dedicate to being a dancer. Because it's not just dance at the Games for you know an NBA game. Two two and a half hours is the hours we have to practice to put into it. We have to do appearances within the community. And all that stuff. You don't get paid for the community appearances. I don't believe or is that hourly it depends and but then I mean that's understandable but sometimes there are appearances that they just say like. Hey like I mean and they'll tell you before that it's free so I mean I guess there is the thing is you could say notes the free parents but for me. When I was a dancer I was afraid to say no to any appearances because then I felt like it would be at the bottom of the barrel of who they would reach out to for future appearances so I was always taking because it's that same mentality of like if you don't WanNa do it. Then we'll replace you someone with someone. Who does they'll do it for free. And I don't know it's just like it's Ki- it's just a toxic environment That I think these teams are making so much money that they can afford to pay these girls. What they're worth and also without being said. I think that they would end up seeing a lot. More talent coming through because especially with the rise of social media these days like you can. If you're a pretty girl in a great dancer you can go on top and be ticked famous and and make money off deals and make you know. I'm sure those girls who dance on. Tick Tock Charlie and Addie are Addison Ray. I'm sure that they're making probably millions as crazy as but But why why would they a? Are you know someone of that calibre decide to go? Try Out for professional team when they can just do it on their own. And that that was kind of my all moment that I realized was when I guess I started working kind of a semi influence or if you will Before big brother and I was making money off my own likeness and I realize that. Wow I I've been making this much money off my likeness or now making this much money off my likeness in the mavs have been making probably even more of my likeness and I've been getting paid. What a thousand dollars a year to date. So I don't know I mean. I think that there's definitely some things to ways that they can improve. That and I think that getting rid of the dancers was the wrong move which I told him about it. A little bit Was it was like I? You know I had been coming at them and doing interviews and saying you know the dancing to be paid more because I kind of felt like maybe was. Maybe I was my calling in life. Maybe I should you know. Fight for these dancers who are underpaid by. I mean and said as a result they didn't like got rid of the dancers and it's okay. Well that's all we wanted now. No one's getting paid and I don't think it's important to have you know the dancer the dancers at the game because being a young also like a young girl go to go into the sports games with my family when I was in school You don't see the dancers further sexualize uniforms. Are there like sexualize answers or whatever they were talking about you see them as he's really beautiful girls who you can look up to all your brother's looking up to the players you know what. I mean so it's kind of. It's fun for the ADS. The whole family fun atmosphere. Yeah and like I said the first year after the Mavericks Investigation Into Their Front Office. They totally toned down the outfits which was just ridiculous it was almost like dancing in blogging. Every it costs us made it got a little bit more. I won't even got on. I think that the out the uniform that they ended up with it was really cute. A little dress but I was like man. That's like literally justice quote unquote scandalous as the other. Uniforms were But Yeah I mean I. That's just people that I I'm hugely against people saying that a girl needs to cover up because because they need to protect you know whoever's watching the game I know that a lot of people are coming forward like oh I can't take my son to a game because the dancers are not dressed appropriately like first of all like your son is like if he's old enough he's GonNa be like I mean I don't know how to say it was not something a total you know like I'm like I'm too like Brazen already but but most kids aren't looking at the dancers and sexualizing them. I think they like that comes from the parent telling the kids something sexual about the thing that they're seeing Like I mean yeah. Maybe if it's like a kid going through puberty now they might get a look sign like so what I guarantee you. He seeing worse other places. But like it's not like the dancers are responsible for corrupting your kids. I think that comes from what you're telling your kids about the dancers and yeah if you're sitting there telling your kid like Oh yeah. Can you believe she's wearing now? What's ganked yeah your kids get an associate that with being skype but But dancing form of art. And even if you go to dance competitions or anything dance costumes are very minimal. Because it's about moving your body so I don't know I mean. I think that was like the total wrong direction to take it in because and also I think that it was also showing young girls and showing even the girl that are dancers that they should be ashamed for him to their bodies. And that's not something that a dancer should a dancer should be celebrating their body and celebrating You know just how they could you know. Embracing their curves pricing Everything about it. Not trying to like cover. I just didn't understand the whole point of like to me. It's you know you guys are entertainment when you go out there dancing. You are not. Your routine is not spinning around a pole or sliding down a pole or having a guy underneath you and your writing him even to let these days. What I'm saying the people that saying sexualize dancing. You're not grinding up against somebody. You're not pulling out of the audience and torquing on them. Yeah it's dancing. I've never understood it. It's it's entertainment. I enjoy it. I'd like any red blooded heterosexual male. Would like it's just we? We like watching attractive. Women dance what's wrong with that. It shouldn't be cut out because this is over sexualize of women. It's just not and but I understand. There is a faction of people out there that get offended by you. Know half of a breast showing out of talk. You know it's just you're never gonNA please those people that's the problem. Yeah those aren't the people that you WANNA please anyways. I mean those are the types of people that they're going to be angry no matter what so if you get into them which. I feel like they kind of did by getting away by getting rid of the dancers they're just GonNa then complain about something else and The people that are the season like maybe if it was like the season ticket holders all banded together and said get ready dancers like there to lewd then like okay like maybe like. Let's see what we can do about it. But who's really talking about this and saying that the dancers are two district you that are they the season ticket holders that are paying money or like the people that are going to the games or is it a bunch of people on Twitter. That are watching the game from afar. And you know they're they're not gonNA say bad things no matter what you know. 'cause there's no pleasing them just it didn't make any sense to me. I never understood it. I don't know why they were taken away. And you know there's nothing because they're back now and the you know as we talked about with uniforms. There's nothing wrong with short shorts. There's nothing wrong with showing Titi here and there is something wrong with showing cleavage in your top. I mean it's just I don't understand it but I ended but I but I am aware that there are people that just get offended by everything and that does affect that crop top does offend them that showing all of your waistline does offend them. And the fact that your shorts are short does your don't actually just remembered though is what I just remember. This is actually really messed up. Okay so We whatever were in the locker meeting ready game like we are so taped into our outfits. You're going to see on Netflix. Because we're so taped in But in our con I can't remember is in our contractors are director told us but if we ever were to have a nip slip on the big screen we would have been benched for the next game which is so messed up. Now I think about it. Because why US HAVING NIP slip like why is that something that I mean. It's an accident why you know what I mean. There's a lot of so. Yeah I I think that maybe they. They told us that we would make sure to really be taped in. But like they kind of the mentality that I had towards the at one time was like you know if if you have an flip off your you know but Carson than shows on the big screen than your benched or you know like well you need to change your class or you need to change something more conservative. Because you're making assembly was always like the dancers like what do they need to change when it was really just a bunch of girls who are underpaid showing up to do what they love and let them wear two-piece outfit like there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It doesn't get it you know I'm a guy you know you're attracted to attractive females. The dance like not speaking out of turn here. I think I speak for a lot of the mavs season ticket. Holders and guys watch that. Watch you guys perform in the first quarter and the third quarter in the fourth quarter whatever. It's just entertainment. I'm not going home and forget it now. I well I hear Ya. I mean it's Yeah I just entertainment. That's all it is but I think that they realize that because now that they brought back the other team and they also have a different choreographer who super talented so I think that You're you're gonNA see a different side of the mountain dancers and I think it will still be a little. You know sex like a sexy as you know Dan. All dance is kind of sexy here and there to see how when we're old enough but I don't know I'm interested in seeing how that goes once the comes back. I just thought of something. What do you know where you were on January? Twenty four th of twenty twenty. I can't remember why because I think I saw you when I went back watched it. I can't remember you and I were at the. Oh at W. W. W. E. smackdown. Yeah that was you know I was trying to remember. I remember that you and I were at the same event. How did you know because I didn't know you then because I thought on someone tweeted me so I was like Oh Katherine Dunn Reality Steve Or both? We're we're famous. Maybe that's how I knew because I read a tweet at me. Maybe someone maybe someone tweeted that me and said Hey Katherine is sitting right next to you because you are right behind the announcer's booth right. Yeah right next to me I was I was I wro- ringside to the left of you. Yeah I never I well no. I didn't even getting. I didn't know until I went back and watched the show when. Dvr It there were a couple of shots. Obviously of the announcers and you could see you standing up and cheering right behind me. Right behind the announcer's Anthony. Look so ridiculous. I know for some reason like a sore thumb. I was really looked like we were paid actors. I yeah that's that's like I was like. Yeah that's right that was you must have been a tweet that. Inform me that you were there. And that's how I knew I couldn't remember what it was and now I do know. It was smackdown on January. Twenty four th addio. Look at it before had you on I want to clear one thing up before we before we end this thing Can you tell people about this stuff going around on twitter about you a couple of other year big brother people appearing on the challenge next season? Can you just clear that up for what's going on? Yeah Okay I'm yes I'm not only never say I might not be. I don't know I don't even know at this point. I'm not currently being cast for the challenge and no one will not to my knowledge as but basically nick because he's kind of an idiot sometimes he had told a fan for some reason? Whatever reason I guess maybe the sound cool. I don't I honestly. He doesn't even know. He has got a clear answer on this yet but he had told a fan that like me. Jack Bella him were all your currently being cast for the challenge or something like that. And then Nicky van like Oh but like. I don't even think the big brothers in a letter are under leauge. Basically started as like big rumor that the challenge fandom has gotten a hold of and I'll be honest the challenge fandom is really savage and rude and rough yeah and meanwhile I'm over here because well I told you earlier me and my friend just Nixon had done these Bachelor recaps this year. Everyone on my my answering loved so me and Anthony. My best friend. We were thinking. Well maybe you and I should do challenge recaps so every Wednesday. I've been doing this challenge recaps and then actually tonight. I'm going to be doing instagram. Live with the girl. It's on the challenge because I'm watching the show. I'm interested but it's turned into this whole like so i. I don't let trolls get them for some reason. This is because they're all like Oh. She's so thirsty. She so desperate like you know and it's like. I feel like these people were my fan before and then now all of a sudden the alike. It's rumor that I'm on the challenge for some reason. I'm like Dylan is and And try to come forward and say on my twitter and be like. Hey all like this. Isn't this isn't a thing which really just I. Honestly I should just let it ride out. Which is why I deleted my tweets. 'cause I was like you know what I'm just let this right out because you know whatever like let them talk and maybe you know get them whatever from it but it's just the way that they like they're just so rude about it so Mike Okay people. This is the answer to the question. Are the screen shots or whatever I am not currently being cast for the cut so that that is out there definitely yeah. It's all over twitter. It's been like I don't know I honestly like it's kind of like second. Guess like I feel like I've probably shouldn't I don't even think I'm going to do the challenge recaps anymore because people are really that rude about it? Which honestly is very unlikely. Because I usually love trolls but I don't know these are just a whole different kind of breed. So I hear you. They are but every show seems to have a group of like the Big Brother Fans Batra nation. I mean there are some trill intimidating intimidating people out there for sure. Yeah Yeah I was really surprised when I realize it the fan that you know the fans liked me. It could have been a lot worse like I haven't really had a lot of. Hey It's been pretty warm. Welcome and I feel like the except expected me embraced me and I don't know I don't think I'll have Albert opportunity to get the challenge fans on my head because I'm not currently being custody challenge so there's going to be hate me for a while and then final thing. Let's wrap up here just Let everybody know exactly kind of what you're up to now and I know I was GonNa say you're Corentin but you you actually address this when you're interviews that you're you're basically a social media influencer. You have no problem admitting that and but you're also smart enough to realize that you understand that this isn't going to last forever. Yeah I mean I hope it does but I guess it's that same kind of mentality of united talked about that. You know the dancers earlier how you know. They in similar like the little girls at corrupted Then after that is over then they're like what now so I've always like I feel like I've always kind of the bigger picture in mind and I've always realize that okay like this isn't the this isn't my end is stepping stone to something else also won't be the end because it'll be a stepping some something else So right now I'm just I'm working as an influence or which is a great career to have right now just because everyone is getting their news there everything off social media so people say that it's not a real job these days it really is. I mean it absolutely. Hey can be a full-time job if you have an followers and you have enough intrigue and if you're smart about it because it's like some girl augments. I'M GONNA I. It really is just as easy as like okay. Like funds at me about some of the post a picture about it but but there's a lot of people the people that really truly make their jobs and careers audit. They do treat it like they are their own little marketing agency So I'm trying to you know I'm coming from a marketing background I feel like I do have all the tools that I need to be able to be really smart about this so I'm working as an influence or now but I'm also using like my myself as a case study if you will to then once you know maybe maybe my relevancy starts to you know steep or even if it's time for me to move onto the next thing. I can take what I've learned from this as a case. Study to take an apply to other businesses. So it'll be. I WanNa have a digital marketing agency. That's really geared towards influence or marketing That is not only representing like the influencers but also brands as well And maybe even like I before. Cova did actually before it even happened me and my photographer were kind of trying to work on the first couple of steps of this and it was going to be kind of a real trouble. Oh travel part of it if you will but then Cova it happened and we were We were grounded but are I. Like Beta. Testing trip was GONNA be Earlier this month. So so we're at a standstill right now but we are But I am making moves into more of that will eventually be me working as a digital marketing type agency and I know you're working on clothing ran right. Now that's releasing your own line of facemasks. Yes okay so that actually right after we get off this call. I have to run over and pick up the samples. I'm so I've been my best friend. Sidney owns live on Game Day. So she wants. I got off the show. I released my own conspiring Bitch Merch that. We capitalized on every holiday. We all conspiring which conspiring grants Cupid confiding office staff but She also has been making a lot about quarantine like different quarantine theme shirts and stuff and then every week she makes a donation to whether it's feeding America or the North Tex- stupid country or An organization that helps benefit those who have been affected by Kobe. Nineteen so I'm going to be in the next couple of days as soon as I get to where I can really fit conspiring bitch face masks. Good there's nothing like having bitch on your face that will I mean the proceeds are going to go towards? I'm thinking I'll probably have these go towards at North Texas Food Bank. Just because that's of course you know so close to home. But yeah but the. But they're going to be benefiting people that have been affected by the nineteen. So I figure I don't know how can I make? I really do want to use my influence to make a difference and you know like I. I've been doing their lives to kind of. I feel like kind of try to lighten the mood. I've been trying to keep my post really positive because there are a lot of people who are struggling right now and I know they want to see you know positively and all that But I was trying to think of how I could take it to the next step in like you know. How can I help? Support those who've been affected with money and you know kind of giving back in that way. So so we'll see how it goes. Well Good luck with that. And it's very cool that you are giving back in that way so Catherine this has been an enlightening almost to our conversation with you. Oh you know I. I'm getting but thank you so much for coming on and sharing this and people get a little more insight into you. I know I certainly did And Good luck with everything and we will. We will definitely be in touch considering. We're both Dallas. Maybe I'll see you hang out for giving out after we are social distancing and maybe I'll even see you in a game. I'm sure I'm still GONNA Maverick's games. So yeah when who knows when that's going to start up again but we'll see her. Hopefully you know well now. I don't even know there's no talent. Maybe twenty twenty five all right so thank you Catherine. Thank you so much again for doing this. I really appreciate it and thanks for having me. Good luck and we'll keep in touch all. Righty all right. Thank you so much Katharine for. That was a Lotta Fun. She's a she's a very very lively woman and Just a lot of fun to talk very open very candid and I know probably Iran wants answers to everything and you know I. It's you just never know with people. Sometimes I understand how she wanted to hold back. She doesn't need to air her. And Holly's exact details of their conversation on the PODCASTS. And I respect that and you know as people know like I'm I'm cool with Holly. I hope that this isn't some sort of. Oh you're choosing sides. I don't need to choose sides I can talk to holly and talk to Katherine and be fine with both of them clearly. They're not talking and who knows if they are going to talk down the line like Catherine said maybe two years from now. We'll we'll look back on this and just laugh our asses off at it and be like God. We were being stupid but for the time being. It looks like it's fairly serious. I don't know what was said but I don't really care I can still have you know friendship with holly and have a friendship with Catherine. At least I hope and Katherine seems to be fine with it. I you know I would smoke holly in a in a little bit. So who's But Gavin I think it was a great yes to have on Shared a lot about You know her time on big brother and what has happened since Her break up with neck. What's going on with Holly and whatnot? 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Assuming things don't change and they don't cancel or whatever and I never planned them out that that far in advance but I might be recording five podcasts within the next two weeks and Kinda. It'll be great because I've never done that before. I usually try and record podcasts. Within three or four days of them airing maybe a week at most and I think the most I've ever had in the can at one. Point was to so the fact that I have five people have said. Y'All do it lined up. Hopefully I can record it and I can take a break for a little bit and just you know. Also release them every Thursday but Hopefully we got that coming up. couple in Bachelor Nation of those five. But anyway thank you all for tuning in to podcast number one. Seventy one seventy nine. Thank you so much to Catherine for being such a good sport about this and being so open and honest about everything. That's that's happened so again. Thank you for tuning in please. Rate Subscribe and review and Apple podcasts. And like I said. Got A lot of hot gas lined up in the next Four or five weeks so that'll be good. Hopefully I'll get them done in the next couple of weeks. Enroll them out every Thursday from here on out so again. Thank you very much the Catherine. Thank you all for tuning in. This has been podcast number. One seventy nine on reality. Steve and I'll talk to next week.

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