20 Episode results for "Dudley Dudley"

When Is Mainstream Day?

The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

13:56 min | 2 months ago

When Is Mainstream Day?

"We are the people side environment debate. Podcast we're here to connect you with others with simmering interest in frustration in worries in the environmental crisis. That we face we hope to expand your thinking a little bit. I'm certain man my on. My co host is among. I am a photographer and show host as well. I do in lush every week. Ativity and today's question. You'd is from a place. That is very one of the ritz reservoir. It for sure isn't it. Yeah far more in oxfordshire and the question is from polling and we're going to have a a usual meandering conversation style in this because It says in the talk. This podcast debate. But we're not going to debate this when we're just gonna see where we go a little bit tongue in cheek in this question. I think william yes. It's an interesting question not be the longest episode. I left it. Wants mcvay debate this question. The compensation is always meandering. Lucky industry or bus this this hunt break left off. I k say we hate this podcast will will actually make you stop up and take notice of the nature around you and your clara and want to protect silliness for you today but This is the question we've asked polling from far more in oxfordshire. Her question is why. Can't we have a mainstream day. We have will die. International women's day i will be. Tq ever is style can never quite got these letters in in out gb. Q i think day lgbt plazas. Listen up there buddy guy. Various environmental dies walkout. Mainstream died william quite simply. We do have a mentoring. Do you want the mainstream mainstream days everyday everyday everyday as mainstream day. So the question is be is. Why do we have quite. Why do we have days for those specific things. I world we have earth day. We have to national women's day we have Black lives matter day. Chores thing as well right so i think we have. These days helps address stigma indifference. Yeah i mean obviously is an inherent thing about labelling somebody. I've never been big fan of labeling. I don't like it'd be poultry down. Psomas i doubt like labeling people conversational facebook recently about Somebody who said that they were gonna do good. They'd be labeled as a do gooder there and it was an insult central duda so even even been doing good. Their argument was if i do good twenty good thing but it can. Evocative could be seen as an insult. I could be used as divisively miss trying to get away from local spots. The reason why we have these days is actually it brings it into people's consciousness. That people are different to you if somebody took offense though it being taught do-gooder is there some truth in then if if they've got some sort of reaction to being accused of that and they'd be acted badly maybe they think might be an element of truth in the accuser. Yeah the impression ago it was. It was how it was said. Yeah the being what was said on the dick the tired of the voice and it was how they were almost shocked that they didn't are spending. So it's like yeah. It's just love label these these days of that for wednesday's and that's reasonable. The court literally called a wednesdays. Because you're making certainly aware that somebody is different to you. They think the same way as you know on the same as you. But i think mainstream is actually made up of all these minority groups. So that's what we end up with a mainstream an oil think. How big is the majority any given point anyway. You know actually. I think it's going to sound like really controversial opinion. And their baby out here. Actually things like labels and these days should not be should not be needed issue not be required that mainstream mainstream. Everybody is just remembering that role individuals role people we all have notifications asians and often those evasions very similar. You what you're saying. We're all different. And we all need. Our voices heard whether in the mainstream not the also be mainstream. Really i mean everybody's not possible utopian ideal absolutely of course it's utopian idea. I totally understand that. We told you the stunned that we watch a tribal species. We have been many many thousands of years. We're fighting against them. That we are we are inherently are changed very much within the last definitely not very much in the north twelve thousand years but definitely not in the last movie. Seventy eight hundred thousand years is a species. Evolution takes a long time for change. And i think sometimes that we're putting in all pressure on ourselves. We should be operational ourselves to change these these stigmas and these these. These awareness is again a word but you'll should should be mindful that we are trouble species. Remember that yeah like you say. Is it really possible. Utopian re utopian idea. Yes it is. But that's not necessarily a bad thing so these days effective at breaking down barriers does actually perpetuate the difference. Well what about your experience from your own personal experience in my experience of one that jumps out willed is day It might in december. The fist. I think is every year well in my experience. It gives the the The ignorant an opportunity to shout and scream Absorb some people still think i as a guy homosexual disease. I think what they do that they give the extreme end of the spectrum. An opportunity to show in the scream in atlanta an act like imbeciles actually brings more people who are sitting in into the fence into understanding these minority dice and celebrated. And then you get a critical mass that makes change. You don't need to engage the people on the other end of the spectrum because they're just pulled along with a large not but unfortunately the people on the other end of the spectrum who left tent very loud voices yes just world. i'd day. Yeah they actually phase into you can always say that feeds into the last question about positive in positively and negatively and what is more powerful when it comes to your messaging right. So what you're saying. Now i think is that those people that are used these these these awareness days to rate raised their own opinion very very negative opinion. They get listened to more potentially or they're just louder maybe village though cash so much maybe lack of empathy. I think sometimes when it comes to awareness you maybe i think raising empathy. You'll changing allopathic you all with other people pensively why would somebody is. I'd much rather be interested in more interested in what they're in what they enjoy doing. I'm more interested in what used listen to a more interested in What the who they are. What their opinion is you know. And how they talk and how they interact with other people rather than ethnicity they are sexuality. Nationality comes into the interest is well because nationality brings in different culture. Simply from a different culture will have a very different conversation with somebody who is from coach broadens my horizons and it broadens me. I fin eight years ago and made law finish friends and that is booth in my horizons. Huge link up just took it to somebody who has different from a different culture But still what's most important is what that person is like. It's not what they are. who they are. What they are is important could be important to them. The conversation with a friend of mine who is half goalie. And i remember her saying to be once and she said this on this podcast she said i remember you know often golden nyc dui conversation because it didn't really register with me because the more important thing was that would our conversation. We were friends must most important. He gave back to the question from polling roy currently other mainstream day. What kind of we have a mainstream day. William i wanna mainstream day. And i'll i'll be the leader of the mainstream but i'll be the leader of the mainstream. You never gonna lead the mainstream but the alternative mainstream. We have a mainstream day but we have a mainstream debut day in the morning and brush teeth and have breakfast as a mainstream day. I'm not sure we could actually consciously have a day because really interesting enough. It's a bit samey bit. Rambling and vast page isn't it is a bit bit mcdonald's very look it looks nice business which is very very very very boring labor to and it's called ten and why it's an interesting question. I think we've is a little bit tongue in shape. We have actually evolved into a little bit of a debate on this We often we often do. We often have a hobby invited guests on the show which we will do again when we come. We do face to face. It does become a bit more of a debate because often the person brings in a very interesting question from the own field expertise. We're off the that question but over the last year or so this this has been definitely more beyond bring compensation as you probably found from this stick zippy but this is definitely going towards the debate. Now isn't it. Yeah yeah we have a mainstream. I got back from poorly. Maybe maybe that's another question. Naive heard is a debate. This question discuss this question as it lay led to any insights view Do you agree with us. Do you disagree with us. Excess another question and anybody wants to question. How do they do they do. That's how i can take in. Send us an email. The people's countryside at gmo dot com. 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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 252: Drag The Evil Dead All The Time

GSMC Movie Podcast

1:00:21 hr | 9 months ago

GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 252: Drag The Evil Dead All The Time

"Can't decide in torn between a romantic comedy action or an Indie film to watch for the weekend. Well, well, golden state media concepts move you. PODCAST is your ultimate guide to the latest movies join us as we dissect the latest on the. Busters it's the Golden State media concept's movie podcast. Arrow. Hello and welcome to the GMC movie podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast company. I'm your host. Casey bomb. I hope you're having a wonderful week. Wonderful. Wednesday today is Wednesday October fourteenth and I'm very excited for today's show because not only is there a common theme among the movies as I try to every week but also? All three of the movies this week kind of diverted my expectations are really intriguing way. So I'm really excited to talk about them. The first one is the next movie called the devil all the time about a month old at this point I just got the chance to check it out, and because the devil is in there, I figured it's pretty easy to have a horror movie theme here because of the fact that it's still October and I'm still talking about horror movies. So I look for some movies unfortunately. Not nearly as many devil movies as I expected or was that I was interested to watch even. So instead it's kind of like demonic possession movies because they're more or less the same thing. So my weekly watch, it's called drag me to hell two thousand and nine Sam Ramey movie that I have been highly anticipating for a really long time and because it Sam Ramey, one of my favorite horror movies ever the evil dead. We're going to talk about that for me and I'm actually GonNa talk about evil dead and evil to two, and so because of that, my top five lists I figured I'd talk about my top five horror franchises of all time. Now of course, evil dead won't be on there but still I want to talk about some of my favorites. So that is to episode and let's get right into it. All right. So the devil, all the time is a Netflix movie from twenty twenty written and directed by Antonio campus as well as. Written by Paul Campus based on the book by Donald Ray, pollock stars a whole slew of actors including but not limited to bill skarsgard Tom Holland Sebastian Stan. Jason Clark. Robert Pattinson Dudley Dudley's in this movie I didn't realize that at first I was like who's that guy? I recognize him but it's Dudley drizzly right? Yeah. Deters leaders I've never actually thought about that name in full. Anyway. This movie has a lot going on. And it's one of those movies where there really isn't a central plot. It's really just a character study among a bunch of how everything is connected. So the NETFLIX Synopsis Says Sinister Characters Converge Around a young man devoted to protecting those he loves in a postwar backwoods town teaming with corruption and brutality. So I had fairly low I would say expectations going into this movie and not because I thought it would be bad necessarily but I could tell that we're gonNA be one of those slow burn very Oscar Beatty type movies. It's a character study and not a lot actually happens until the end of the movie and I really enjoy those but given that it's not in the theatres it was released on Netflix. been met with sort of a lacklustre response. You really have to have like a very gripping character study for me to be at at all emotionally involved, and so I really didn't know what to expect going into this I Hans trailers and knew very little about it. But I was really surprised I. Actually really enjoyed this and I will say up Front That, I did not even have the best viewing experience or at least the most primary experience for something like this. I had a lot of work to do, and so I was like, okay I'm going to do some work going GonNa Watch this movie I can probably do both which. Naive that's always very difficult but regardless, I was like I'm going to try this and so I put it on. Earlier in the morning and I started writing and I immediately scripted by the movie I didn't get like. Donald like three sentences and I watched the whole to eighteen of this movie because a very long movie and it really doesn't feel like it. I. Really Thought that I was gonNA feel the run time and that was just going to be a total drudge dredge drudge one of the two. But. It was really gripping and it was really captivating. I think a lot of that has to do with the performances. All of the Atkins movie is very, very strong because it's a character piece you have to have actors that work well with each other, but also can deliver their own sort of moments by themselves that let you in on their characters and. With really nice about a movie like this is that it is on Samba movie technically because there's a lot of main characters. But not a lot of them really interact with each other other than brief scenes to kind of connect them, and so I thought it was really fascinating to see every actor get the right amount of screen time because there are so many good actors in this movie and I was really happy to see all of them shine and there really isn't a protagonist as a main character I would say it's pretty clearly the clear that it's Arvin. Who is played by? Tom. Holland later on in the movie earlier, play by much younger actor and so he's kind of in the whole thing. But even in the beginning I would say the first. Twenty twenty, five minutes he's not in this movie and it's also kind of about the father, but it's also much more of a thematic movie. So seeing such strong performances in a movie that is so focused on. So many characters is really really nice to see. My big standout for this is Robert Pattinson I he's really an okay. Target had myself I think that not a lot of actors have a ton of screen time even though the to eighteen they're bouncing between things. So often that not nobody is really a main character in that. So I thought it was kind of a lot more to do. He doesn't have too much to do but what he does, he really delivers on and you really leaves a lasting impact both on the story and on the audience I think the thing that really gripped me about it. Is He's really seen most the time as this. Very Masculine Very Suave guy and most of his movies British and that's kind of how he does things and in this one. He must have like done some voice training for this role because his voice is a much higher pitch than it usually is and he's still trying to give off that or aura of masculinity but instead, it kind of shows his his weakness in his desperation in a role like this, and it makes much more villainous and militias so I thought his performance was. Absolutely. Amazing. I thought it was probably my favorite in this movie. The one thing I think Tom Holland delivers a really nice performance as well. I have to say for whatever reason I feel. He's probably the weakest point for me. It might just be because he's so famous at this point and it's really hard when you're currently playing a super iconic character to break out of that and do something. So drastically different and so like there are certain lines he would say and I'm like, oh, it's just kind of spider me any. So he felt like a little bit out of place in a movie like this but there are a ton of superheroes in this we got who got got. Batman Superman, and winter soldiers. Kinda. Of Funny I think it's funny watching movies now because Superhero movies are so popular and being able to like see who's hanging out with who like if you look at like an old movie like clueless Oh cool. It's back girl and ant man it's just kind of funny like a little game to play but I just thought that all of these performance were really performances were really really fantastic for the limited on screen time they have I also want to give a huge shout out to bill skarsgard in this as well. Because Bill Skarsgard I mean he played penny wise like this is as far from that role as you could get any, he's still menacing. But he also has this level of empathy that you get into the towards the beginning of the movie before you see any of the sort of violence violent tendencies that he has so. I think that. He is a phenomenal actor that like I cannot wait to see more from him. So they get to the screenplay. This is also very strong for this movie, and so because of the fact that I was just drawn and part of that has to do with the story. It's really cool how well everything is connected. There's a really intriguing level of connectivity within everything even across state lines I'm a big fan I'm not necessarily a huge fan of the like fifty aesthetic 'cause. I don't know it's just been so. Hammered home and after I saw Pleasantville I was like I can't do this anymore. So I'm not a huge fan necessarily of that aesthetic but. There's something so other worldly to me about. Just. There's no connection between people like obviously there's no smartphones there's emails there's no like house phones. There's nothing to even talk to people unless you're sending a letter and one of my favorite things about that is like this is just sort of. Very very in tongue-in-cheek thing I'll say right now but bill scores character doesn't even know the name of a waitress who's thousands of miles and he's like, yeah, I got a chance with her and then I will be on campus somebody and have their number and be like I can't go out with this person. It's like unbelievable the difference in mentalities from time to from from time periods so. I think this is a very funny way to connect things and I always really liked that how it's still all connected even though there's no way that they can necessarily know that it's all connected and it's just a little bit of dramatic irony for you and the story itself is pretty intriguing I. I don't know if felt like our town like it felt like a play and I think part of that has to do with the narrator I. Actually really liked the narrator in this if feels very VELIC. A word feels like a novel. Maybe it's not. Anyway. Sometimes. Narrators can be Kinda Lazy can give information that you should have gotten from the story but in this I think it just gives more context. It doesn't really give any more information and it's more of an internal monologue, but it's also fairly objective, and then when there are breaks in the objectivity and the narrator becomes a much more subjective player. That's really fascinating. The judgment that the narrator gives on some of these characters and gives you a little bit of insight for information that you wouldn't necessarily know until much later in the story, but is fairly necessary to know at that point. So I really love the narrator. I really like the story I like how connected is I? Think my main problem with this film is this happens for a lot of films unfortunately as I feel like the female characters are fairly underwritten and not only are the underwritten, but they're more or less a vehicle for male storylines and there are a couple characters who are big characters in the movie who I thought were going to get their own real ark. But instead just become sort of tool of vengeance for a lot of our main male characters and so it's really about Arvin and his father but even still there's enough to go around and including Sebastian Stan and even Jason Clark Thought Sandy was going to get a fairly Full Arc by the end of this movie, and then I also thought, of course, Lenora was Lenore is kind of the biggest female character in this. But both of them just end up being catalysts that propel another character story forward in those characters just happen to be male. So I, think that's a bit unfortunate. That tends to happen with a lot of male screenwriters wish that it didn't and I think that the screenplay could have been a lot better if some of the characters that were maybe a little bit more minor who didn't need as much information on or we could just take some of the time in develops in those female characters as much or change the fate of some of those characters a bit. I also think it's a little bit long like I really didn't feel most of the run time. I. Really only felt the last. Fifteen. Minutes or so. But I just think that it probably could have been two hours. It probably could have been shaved down a little bit and I think most of that is from the beginning of the movie a lot of the things that the end feel necessary but the final scene or not the final scene but as seen with. Tom haller patents and feels like the climax, and then we still have about thirty minutes to go. So I wish that it had been pace a little differently at the end. But overall, the pacing I think is really nice because you've got so many characters so many storylines. I was really impressed by how well we bounced between them. Everybody gets pretty much the same amount of screen time. I also didn't feel like one plotline was stronger than the other. So I never felt like I needed to go back to the other one I. was just curious to see how the next one would unfold. And some of the has to do with getting these longer character introduction that really set the tone of the story for about the first hour and so I think the pacing. Nice. Even if it is a little bit long. My final thing about the screenplay is that the whole time I really host was a character piece and of course, there's this very overt message of God faith and that's the big theme of the movie. But I actually really like the theme of the effects of war on this movie and it's fairly subtle even though it's pretty obvious in the beginning. The bill skarsgard character is coming back from war. He's coming back from World War Two. So it's pretty clear that he has some PTSD given some of his violent tendencies in some of the things that he does throughout the movie but really only think, okay, that's his character and I get that. It's coming after World War Two and this is a post World War Two America but the con- The country doesn't really play a huge role in this movie it's much more about the characters but then ending which we don't even realize the passage of time a lot of ways. But ending it with the reference to Vietnam a lot about Vietnam book ending it with these two wars. I, think is really impactful and really hammered home the message of how a country and how people can ultimately be affected by war in really subtle ways even if it's not super obvious and and making that sort of the. Prologue and Epilogue I think is a really smart way to get that done. The production design obviously, it's a period piece. There's GonNa be a lot of attention to detail they do that. It looks great. The old cars I think we're very charming. I liked to that the old cars weren't sort of the old cars. You'd think about today where you'd think of just like really nice old cars. That's really cool. They look really run down they don't look like they're very like they will get you there but not very. Smoothly, and so I I do think that that shows the class of the movie. And how smart they are in figuring out what kind of vehicles, what kind of production design would actually come into play in a movie like this or in a time period like this The cinematography I really didn't think the cinematography stood out to me all that much. It's one of those movies that is just it's just well shot. There's nothing really. Super obvious about it. It is pretty subtle in its way of how well shot it is everything is pretty functional, but it's also not strictly functional. There's some pretty nice shots. A lot of the framing is really nice I do like how the cross is framed in almost every shot in the upper half of the frame. So it's always held to a higher standard and that's pretty important whereas Lotta, times the characters are much lower in the frame and I also really like the color grading in this movie because. It kind of look Sepe A- Ish Sepah Inspire, which is kind of the type of film you would get in this sort of timeframe or that's how that time period feels to US nowadays but this doesn't really like make it super obvious. It's pretty subtle color grading in how it's kind of brown tinged yellowish and I really liked that let me get to the editing I mentioned the pacing in the story but the same thing goes here the plot lines are balanced really well, the cuts don't feel jarring. It feels like we've gotten a full story when we move from one plotline to another words waiting for that next development. There's a really great soundtrack in this movie to it's. Really charming soundtrack. It has that sort of old Americana sound. Very folksy obviously, very country inspired and a lot of the songs are somewhat iconic. But then some of them are ones that I didn't recognize because I'm just not familiar with that type of music, but it is still one that I love and it really sets the tone for this. So I, really like it and I also really like how the score itself has a very obvious violin in it that sort of the main sound of the movie and I. I. Really Appreciate when a film picks an instrument or a sound that kind of makes that the sound of the movie and so the violent is that. So, then finally, the directing I had never seen anything by this director before he had produced a film called Katie Says Goodbye which is another movie that's like. Very difficult to watch at times. It's just kind of like cringing how. Distraught. These characters get and the devil all the time is not for the faint of hearts. That is definitely the case here. There are some pretty graphic moments that I was surprised by particularly that in the first. Fifteen minutes that was pretty jarring for me, and I also just think a lot of the scenarios are just sort of like depressing a lot of ways even though. It ends on a semi, not happy note but not necessarily a Downer note I definitely felt drained by the end of this movie. But overall I think directing is just well don like there's just not much I can say about it I haven't seen anything else by this director. So I can't see if there's really a clear vision behind or a specific style that he goes for, but it really just is well put together. Everything flows nicely. I do wish that the screenplay had been a little bit different a little bit shorter had an emphasis on some other characters or just kind of made the key characters a bit more well rounded. So I'm GonNa give this movie a strong solid strong seven out of ten I really enjoyed it. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. So that's another reason why I can recommend it to you guys. If you're into period like that if you're into Oscar beatty movies, there are not a lot of movies that are probably going to qualify for the Oscars this year. So I would not be surprised if this gets nominated for picture or at least breast screenplay. But that is the devil all the time check it out on. Netflix if you seem interested in it, but next up, we're GONNA talk about my weekly watch, which was drag me to hell and then we're GonNa talk about my weekly recommendation of evil dead and evil dead two or the evil dead and evil dead two, and finally stay tuned until the very end of the episode where it talk about my top five horror franchises of all time. But right now we're gonNA take a quick break. The latest and hottest music in the airwaves don't be left out listened to the golden state media concepts. Music podcast keeps you on the loop with everything you need to know from pop rock hiphop top forty, and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates and so much more in no further because this is the gold standard in music podcasts. Welcome back to the GSM see movie podcast I'm your host Casey bomb. If you're just tuning in or skipping around a little bit I, have just given my review of the devil all the time. I will now be going into my weekly watch of drag me to hell and then my earlier Dacian of the evil dead and evil dead two and make sure you stick around to the very end of the episode where I talk about my top five horror franchises of all time. But right now is dragged me to hell and I'm super excited talk about this one because I've been waiting for a long time to watch it I don't know why I never got around to it. I. Really Like Sam Ramey obviously I love evil dead I love the Spiderman series. So Super Intrigue to watch this I knew a little bit about it had kind of known that it was like somewhat of a horror satire. Really A horse. It's just that Sam Raimi's so it's very campy. So it's a satire in that way, but let's talk about what it is. So I'm going to read the okay. So it's Ramey from two thousand, nine stars, Alison Lohman and Justin Long, and I'm GonNa read the Tagline I think the tagline is fantastic. Christine Brown has a good job, a great boyfriend and a bright future but in three days she's going to hell. Is a fantastic tagline Oh my God. So basically, it follow Christine who has a a loan officer who decides to evict an older woman who is desperate to keep her home so that she can get a promotion or potentially get a promotion and so even though she's kind of framed as a fairly good character for most of the movies, he makes this one selfish decision, and then that old woman just happens to know a few curses upper sleeve and decides to curse her and so in three days, she's banished to hell while she's being tormented by a demon named lawmaker who is I guess the devil. or at least like kind of the devil, it's the black goat. So that's also very demonic devilish that sort of that kind of imagery. So. Maybe, not necessarily the devil but definitely. Devil E. So I. Was Confused by this movie at first. I didn't know if I liked it. I was excited that it was campy but it was a different kind of campaign than I was expecting and then by the end of the movie, I, loved it. I think it's great. It definitely has grown on me too I throughout some of it wasn't my favorite and there's some I didn't love that I have now come to really like. So let's just talk about it overall the acting. Is Very natural compared to the rest of the movie. So Alison, Lohman has a performance that is Super Fund in a movie like this. You just want it to be fun. This is one of those sky and I don't want to say stupid like in a bad way it's just kind of like India ring. But it's over the top it. silly. The Gore is like. Kind of gross kind of find. So you just WanNa, have fun with a movie like this and it does that really well, it doesn't soak in its misery everything. The stakes feel a lot lower than they actually are and Alison Lohman has the performance that matches the tone the best movie she starts out fairly natural but definitely like it's obvious what her intentions are. So it's not necessarily the most subtle performance but. Again. Not Knock. That's kind of what this movie's going for, and then throughout the movie, her psychological state just gets heightened in heightened to the point where she starts to go insane. So her performance, I get a lot of very over the top by the end of the movie which I think is super cool. But everybody else is relatively grounded and in a movie that is so outlandish and so over the top. Seeing, a lot of the performances B- like pretty natural reactions to what's happening specifically, Justin long is kind of a great juxtaposition. I wasn't expecting performances that were that layered in a movie that's supposed to be or not. A movie that is a bit Sillier than your average horror movie. So it is silly and over the top and there are some performances that give in to that. So a lot of the spirits or the mediums definitely have a a performance a bit more out there than some of our main characters but I think they complement each other really well for me like this. The screenplay. Is Super Simple realistically, it's really just a character that gets cursed and then has to figure out how to not get. Go to hell in three days that's it. There's not really any intricacies in the plot she's being terrorized with this demon and there are a couple of different plot developments that you wouldn't necessarily see coming. So I think it's really smart. It's just not like a huge twist, but I really love a movie that knows what he wants to do and a super simple and it just delivers on that premise and it is super outlandish. It's super over the top and I think that's something that a lot of viewers might not have. Gotten for a movie like this, it was marketed as a much more serious horror movie. If you've seen anything by SAM, Ramey including those spiderman movies, he's got a lot of camp it just you just know he's having fun with them. We like this and he's really realistically just not taking himself very seriously, which is really nice to see in a horror movie because the line between horror and comedy is so thin and so seeing a movie that can bounce between it. So quickly, well, not just overtly being comedy is really really refreshing. The movie also develops a lot slower than I was expecting. It doesn't feel slow by any means, but it doesn't really get into the scares or the horror of it right away which it holds back in a really nice way. A lot of movies like this is GonNa scare you right away it does have an opening scene to grip you in that kind of just. How the time went S, it was two, thousand, nine, thousand, ten that was crazy. got a grip people in in a way especially, if it's a horror movie that might be a little slower and so this one isn't necessarily like slow by any means, but it does take time on revealing certain things and giving you certain scares and also revealing certain monsters like it doesn't necessarily heighten the stakes in ways that you would expect or in the timeframe that you would expect. My one thing is I wish there were a bit more monsters maybe in a movie like this where you have a demon that can kind of do anything I really like when they're very creative horror movie monsters or who are moments, and there are a lot of those but they're all kind of surrounding this one older woman and although that's kind of the point of the movie I was sort of hoping that there would be a little bit more to it like maybe there was going to be. I don't know a big demon that you got to see. A movie like that would have been very cool and I do really like that goat at the end not that's now is one of my here moments in the movie. One thing for me though the climax. Bit Too early or feels like it happens to earlier. This was the same Dr with the devil all the time that there's a scene that feels like the climax and then there's a good twenty minutes afterwards. So I don't know if that's a pacing issue or if that's just a set-piece issue and it's not huge, it didn't feel like slow at the end but there were certain scenes towards the end of the movie where I was like, okay we can pick up the pace get we're going. Okay I'm GONNA do a little spoilers here. If you haven't seen the movie, skip about two minutes ahead because I really really want to talk about that ending. All. Right. If you're still here, I assume you've seen the movie so The ending a movie I feel like a movie can be really mediocre and still like I can still love it if the ending is great and I don't think this movie was mediocre but it wasn't like fantastic. It wasn't my favorite thing. There were certain things that I felt like just didn't grit me as much as it should and that ending completely turns it on its head I. Was I knew there was going to be some sort of twist. I was like where's This going and talk about a check off gun baby the coined such as incident seemingly insignificant moment in the movie that comes back in the second actually like okay I guess it's still there and then you really I mean at least I didn't it comes completely out of left field when you realize that he still has the button and she like the design of her being foot lake completely dragged to hell is crazy and scary and sticks with you and I just adore ending. Like, unrelenting in how horrific it is, and a lot of people will say that she doesn't deserve that fate. and. Of course, she doesn't deserve that fate nobody deserves that fate. But the whole point of a horror movie is that it's supposed to be horrific and the stakes feel somewhat low in the movie until you get to that moment and it just is horrifying and then Justin Long's very natural. Expression. Is. heart-wrenching such a good ending. I talked about movie endings last week I. Think this might have to go on my top five now. Oh, my God that I love his ending. So speaking of that design of what happened there. The production design overall is really strong. I do think that the creature designs when there are when they are there is really creative and really nice I actually really liked the shadows wanted to see things I like how the shadows take on their own personality and change, and then all of the other designs like the eyeball in the cake or just any sort of moment that supposed to scare you I think is really clever and it doesn't. It doesn't fall back on the trope of really dark is on a long mouth or like tilted is in a long mouth that it does all the time, the movie, not the. No. ADVERB I don't know subject wait. I'm so sorry I am a film reviewer grammar is not my strong suit. I also think that the old lady is designed really well, she's really creepy while still feeling. Somewhat Realistic in this world, you could see that somebody could look like this obviously, but it does kind of. This very tied in time and true tied and true horror imagery, and so I do think that hurt his is really great. The cinematography is kind of weird in this movie and I don't know what it is. My friend said this to me were watching it. It feels like an infomercial. It feels super oversaturated. It feels very studio in a way and I'm sure that that has to be intentional. I don't know if it was my favorite choice I am not saying that it. Takes. All that much away from it. It's a movie that's much more about the story and the horror. But I don't know it just looks Kinda strange in moments and there are some one was really great. If there's a color that seems kind of subtle, it then pops out she walks into A. Parking garage at a certain point, it looks very, very green, but I don't know what it was. It just looks kind of odd and I think part of it might just be too. Disoriented viewer in a way you're not getting what you're expecting and so it is kind of A. Horror inspired choice in that way, but still very to me. The other part of the cinematographer that I really that I do like is that the action feels very intense it the camera moves in a way that feels like you. You personally feel the intensity of hits and there's a lot of action as their carriers moving around being like flown around certain moments and you actually feel that with the camera I think the way that it whips and the way that it pans really holds weight in this movie. The editing, the editing is very specific choice. It's super choppy. There are certain moments where you'll see the same thing from different angles that does that feels relatively insignificant and so I think that that's a pretty interesting choice and one of the things that I. Like about this choice is that my pet peeve I think in horror movies is cheap jump scares I love jump scares especially if they're really effective. But achieved jumps to me is when there really is no threat and then the editing or the sound is like Ooh Gotcha and it's just sort of like. All right. Cool and a lot of movies do that especially with the editing where just cuts to something randomly and then cuts back. I think it's a little bit cheap. Sam Raimi's does do that in this movie but the reason I think it works a bit better here is because there is that choppy editing or you never know what to expect with the editing where the cameras going to be where we're going, and so it does make it a little bit more interesting and a bit more justified even though I, wish some of the moments didn't do that with the with the jump scares, and then that choppy editing also lends itself to the intensity of the movie. It wants to make sure that you know it's an intense movie and it's a scary movie and it also GonNa ads the campaign it's just so odd that you can't help but. Add that as sort of like cheesy list for a movie and speaking of camp, the CGI, and this movie is so charmingly bad. It's so clearly CGI and I really think it pairs well with evil dead in a specific way that I'll talk about when I talk about the evil dead, just how the Gore works in both of these movies but I don't know I think it's super endearing when you can tell things like that I definitely have a soft spot in my heart for practical effects. But because there are so many effects here that are a bit more over the top and you might be able to do practically or it might be a bit more expensive the CGI. I don't know I think it looks really kind of. Off Pudding in a way. So. Let me get to the sound. The score is nothing super special to me. It's kind of generic horror movie score. It does call attention to itself in certain scenes I'm glad that it's not just an underlying. FEM- it's supposed to be there and you're supposed to hear it the part that I do like I love those opening credits opening credits are really actually pretty scary and I like how this kind of a chant going I I'm a sucker for choirs like a Gregorian type a chance and I think that because a old world type demon that sound worked really well here. Son Finally, a directing I love Sam Remy. I think he's one of my favorite directors and I think for horror movies specifically he's super tongue-in-cheek like he is just kind of making fun of himself and kind of fun of the movie at the same time and it really strides that line of being both horrific at times but also kinda got. and. So he's not taking himself seriously and it still is very, very dark in a lot of ways. So I think it's the perfect type of horror satire. It's definitely not a parody I would never call it a horror comedy I wouldn't even really call the evil dead to comedy, but even still I just love Sam Raimi's vision I liked what he puts forward in his films and so I think initially I probably would have given the film a little bit of a lower score but sleeping on. It having thought about it a lot more I'm going to give this one a strong eight out of ten. I really liked drag me to how I think. It's super, groovy you can have a lot of fun with some friends if you watch this movie and if you know what to expect, think a lot of viewers when it first came out with, we're expecting a much more serious or movie and were then disappointed. But if you're expecting a Goofy campy horror movie, this is the one for you. 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Welcome back to the GMC movie podcast I'm your host Casey bomb. If you're just tuning in or skipping out a little bit, I have just given my reviews for the devil all the time and drag me to hell I'll be going into my weekly recommendation of evil dead one in two, and then stay tune into the final segment of the episode where I talk about my top five horror franchises of all time. But right now, the evil dead I this is probably my favorite horror franchise of all time I love these movies. My best friend is a huge fan of them showed them to me a couple years ago and I have become just as into them as he is. They are totally a cult classic. There's so much charm to them, and so there from nineteen, eighty, one and nineteen, eighty, seven respectively. So the first one is the evil dead in the second one is evil dead two and I'll explain why in just a second you may. I have talked about. These movies in my top five horror satires of all time. So you might remember why that's the case if you remember the episode by we'll talk about it anyway. So the plot overall though. Is Basically, five kids that take a trip to a cabin in the woods and then accidentally bring back the dead and become possessed and all that jazz. It's pretty simple. I don't think that this by any means invented the cabin in the woods genre, but it definitely is a major contributor to it reinvigorated the John Mara and so evil dead has a strong place in horror cinema overall. So the reason the first one is called the evil dead and Evil Dead Two is because the evil dead was made on a five hundred thousand dollar budget roughly, which is first of all crazy for a movie for particularly for a horror movie of this scale and ambition and not only that but it's Sam Ramey. But also is a big part Bruce Campbell who is the lead actor? He was also a CO producer on the movie and worked very closely with Sammy we're were best friends in college and Speaking of college they were twenty and twenty one St. Mary was Twenty Bruce Campbell was twenty one which is somewhat upsetting because I am around that age and I have not made the evil. But back to the original topic at hand basically because it was done with such a low budget and these were not people who were big in the industry, it was hard for it to get picked up and eventually it did. But once it did the distribution company bought the rights to the movie as well. They brought the distribution rights as well as the the rights to the movie itself. So they own the evil dead when Bruce Campbell wanted to actually I think the studio wanted a sequel I. So in the studio wanted a sequel because of how well the movie dead Sam Ramey and Bruce Campbell came up with the idea the studios that we don't like it, and so they said, okay, we're going to do it anyway but they didn't on the rights to the movie anymore. So instead of calling it the evil dead, they called it evil dead two and the first like five minutes of the movie. They basically recap the entirety of the first evil dead in like a Kinda tongue-in-cheek comedy comedic way. Which is Super Fund but that's why so they. So Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell owned the rights to evil dead whereas I think it's new line cinema owns the rights to the evil dead. But let's talk about the actual movies. So my unpopular opinion is that I actually like the evil dead better I think it is grittier. It's kind of more raw it's. Honestly part of the reason I like is that I think that the second evil dead is actually to comedic for my liking there are some obviously that's not completely true. I obviously saw love it but I think it's a horror movie goes people like to say that the first evil dead is strictly horror and the second one is more comedy horror and I completely disagree with that statement. I think the first one is just as comedic because of how over the top outlandish is a lot of the same ways that drag me to hell was whereas evil to to is making it very apparent. It's comedy. The evil dead is much subtler in the way that it's a comedy and that's one of the reasons why I like it a bit better but that's actually just talk about the acting. So the acting is obviously very silly. It's very over the top. It's very much. Reminiscent of slasher movies even though it's not a slasher movie where teenagers are just being teenagers and they're being dumb and they're being horny and that sort of their whole thing and that in and of itself is a bit over the top but then when they start to get possessed by this. De Monarch being and they become dead eits, which is sort of the the lore of those movies. That's what they're known as. Even. That is a bit over the top because they're still kind of being teenagers and they're not being just. Demonic. They're actually toying with their victims and things like that and so it's very comedic in the way that that comes across and so it feels like. That's what the world of this is just a bit Cambier. It's a bit sillier and I like how all of those performances fit sort of the tone of the movie itself and kind of in a way create that tone as well. Also, you can't talk about the accurate out talking about Bruce Campbell Bruce. Campbell is such a strong presence in the first one. He's not nearly as much of the character that he has since become he plays a character called ash sort of become the poster child of the evil dead series, and so even though he wasn't the May I, mean he just kind. Of the main player in the first one just because he was best friends with Sam Ramey. But they all have pretty similar roles in that first one he's just the one that makes it out alive. Sorry. If that's a spoiler but that's the kind of thing that happens to these movies and it really is not about who makes it out is about how? So Later on especially an evil dead to evil dead two. He carries that entire movie that really does not work without him. He is fantastic in that movie, and so he has a really strong leading man presence, which is why I'm a little bit I don't know not upset but I wish that he had gotten more roles. He really does not have a leading man role other than the evil dead and he's in the Spiderman movies I think he was supposed to be a main villain in Spiderman for by just did not end up happening obviously 'cause that movie didn't happen. So I really love Bruce Campbell in these movies. There's really solid chemistry among all of them even though he kinda stands out they all work really well together and I really love the evolution of the possession. I know I kind of just talked about it a little bit. But when a character gets possessed how silly and still creepy, it is really toes that line that he did in drag me to hell. Soon get into the screenplay. This screenplay is even simpler than drag me to hell. It's just some kids in a cabin getting. By some evil spirits and that's it and they're trying to make it out and there's really like no nuance to it. It's just a lot of creepy set-pieces, creepy imagery and a lot of just scares at the time actually I'll bring this up production design I'll bring it up in just a second, but this is another movie that just feels fine. It's just so over the top, it's so crazy and I'm strictly talking about the evil dead when you get into evil dead two, it's even more over the top and as far as a screenplay goes I really like evil dead two because there are some phenomenal moments in that movie. The moments where Bruce Campbell is clearly going insane and it's going way over the top way more than the second one like when he's dancing in the room and everything is dancing with him and there's the head of the deer. That's kind of like laughing at him I. Also, my favorite moment from that movie is actually when I think it's girlfriend rises from the grave and her head is chopped off and she's like juggling with her head and it looked. Out of place I just think that moment is excellent and so the first one and the second one, realistically, the deaths don't really feel like they have any weight to it because you're having so much fun in the movie and I say fun in a horror way I think a horror movie has to have a little bit of fun in it or you're going to be taking it too seriously and just gonNa feel miserable in a way. Evil, dead two is also really cool because it reinvents the movie. It realistically is the same thing, but it reinvents the movie in a total way adds some more lower to it and I actually think for a sequel. It's a really creative way to do a sequel because it's taking the things that worked from the first one and changing them in a really specific way that gets people interested that they wouldn't have been if it was just the same thing over and over again. And then it also kind of expands upon the lower when I hear things about the evil dead series that it has a really extensive lore I don't love the third one as much because I think it's a too silly kind of abandoned the horror arc but the Lord does get expanded upon in the second one and I really liked that ending a lot and talk about the neck Renamo con all of it is just super cool and anything with a really extensive lore in my opinion. Excellent. Great. So he get the production design. This is what I was going to say in the screenplay. I believe that at the time this movie was released. It was the goriest movie of all time and had the most blood that was used in a movie ever which is awesome. I love. I. Love Good Gore in a movie and I it's still rated NC seventeen to this day. If it came out today a definitely rated R. I don't think that the MPAA wants to go back and rewrite it doesn't really matter. But it is NC seventeen, which is kind of cool. A rating that doesn't really exist anymore. So one of the reasons I think that the evil dead is just as much a key or not just as much but are just as much a comedy as it is a horror, not as much a comedy as evil that too. But much comedy as it is a whore is because the Gore is so over the top and part of that has to do with how it looks I love Gore that looks campy and his practical and. You can totally tell is fake and way over the top of there's too much of it and it looks like it's just clay getting. Together I think it looks awesome. I, think it looks so charming for a movie and that's one of the reasons why I think drag me to hell actually pairs really nicely with it because drag me to hell does that same thing with CGI where you can tell it's super apparent that it's fake but it's kind of charming in that way. This one does that with practical effects and I have to say that I prefer the practical effects I think it looks a little bit better i. also think that it just a bit more endearing than the CGI because there's a bit more like. Okay I'm not GonNa say this more effort to it. CGI artists have a lot of work on their plates and it's very, very difficult but I really like practical effects and there's so campy and they just looked so good. They don't feel out of place at all in this movie if because of the fact that it's like low budget anyway that's show. It's like not shot perfectly well on Sean on the best camera having that. Over the top Gore that looks super silly works. So well here, and it looks like it's cheap and it's gritty and I also think the makeup for the dead it's so creepy it's like almost clown makeup every I keep saying over the top and everything is so outlandish and in this one, it just adds to the creep factor. Some again to the cinematography, there's some really iconic shots in this movie. I think those two scenes I liked the went out the window where she's rolling her head around the one in the. House where everything's moving around but it also just like has a lot of really cool Dutch angles. There are some really great scenes you see the scope of the horror you can actually see everything that's going on, and then of course, you can't talk about. If you don't talk about the POV shots, the first hand accounts of a lot of things that are happening it's hard to know whether it's the spirit whether it's like a physical entity or whether it's just the wind or something, but those shots look awesome. So they're done in the first one over the river slash marsh, not really a river. It's kind of like a little gross lake. So done in the beginning of the movie and it's also down at the end of the movie. But. The one. That is the best one I think it's the second one I. Don't think it's the end of the first one the second one where it goes way to the woods and then all the way to the house. It's like crashing doors just look so good. I think it was done with a motorcycle if I remember correctly. So it just the amount of time and effort that's taken into a movie like this even when it's low budget is just super cool to think about. So we got the edits the quick. In this movie really add to the scares. It really bounces between characters released really well. But I like the most in this is the scene work. Obviously, each scene really stands out it adds something different it adds to the scares to it, and even though a lot of the edits are quick to make the scares of it more intense. It really lets the full scenes play out in a way that you get to actually see everything that's going on and it adds to the creativity and the originality. Them for the sound, the thing I want to play out the most is the sound design. The sound of the wind makes it really spooky. The sound of the dead is is so creepy the way manipulated their voices and made them laugh and then just kind of on edge for all of it because of how well the sound design has done. So, before I, to the directing is one thing that productions that I forgot the final shots of the first movie where they're all melting really stick in my head. It's so fake, but it's just so well done. It looks like. Mud It's just so it's fantastic like I'm gushing about it. Some the directing obviously, very similar to drag me to hell. It's just very clearly kids having fun making a movie. I have heard that this shoot was not the most fun to beyond it was pretty intense and coal and painful but you can still tell the kids that are ultimately enjoying themselves and just having fun with a horror movie and that's something that Sammy has brought into all of his projects. It seems and he doesn't take it too seriously in it's very cheek even in the first one, that's a bit more horror in the second one really leans in into the campus and the silliness of what the first one kind of started so. The Evil Dead I love yielded to I would also recommend the EV- I can't say the. Also. Recommend Evil Dead, which is the remake from two thousand. Eleven thousand thirteen is relatively recent and. I recommend it because it was marketed it looks like one of those kind of like dumb jump scare fast, very gory horror movies from that era but Sam Ramey produced. It definitely has the tone of the like the Campinas of those earlier movies but has a little more weight to it is a bit more serious in its themes and so you can tell that has the vision of Sam Remy while still updating it in a really creative way and adding to the law. So I would also recommend evil dead. But that is my recommendation. Please check those movies out if you haven't in, you're a big fan of horror but next up I'm going to talk about my top five horror franchises of all time. So stick around. But right now we're gonNA take our final break. TV has changed over time streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot and Netflix or if it's not a preference, one of our original shows Hulu we got you covered join us as we fill in the blank and talk about movies to street and what show you should be binge it. This is the golden state media concepts television pod cast. Welcome back to the GMC movie podcast. I'm your host Casey bomb. If you're just tuning in or skin around a little bit, I have just given my reviews for the devil all the time drag me to hell and the evil dead and evil dead two. So now because I ended with evil dead, I'M GONNA. Talk Top five horror franchises of all time evil dead would definitely be number one but I'm not on the list of already talked about it but let's talk about some of them because I think one of my favorite things. In horror even I mean recently but it's Kinda always in the case. Are Franchises like I actually really like building the lower of a horror movie I think it's really cool. I didn't really invested in the story and you can still have some intense jump scares or just intense. Horror elements overall. So I think franchise. Great Element of horror movies and so my number five on this list is the paranormal activity series. So although some of those movies can be a little bit slow a little bit boring. I am a big Fan of slow-burn horror I, also a big fan of found footage, and so having a movie that kind of bumped up the found footage genre and brought it back into the mainstream for. Me Is a big thing. I. Really like it. I know a lot of people don't. So maybe will discredit this movie for that but I credit this movie for that. I also think it kind of reinvented the home horror like it makes the horror lot more apparent. It's sort of a more modern day haunted house twist and it has some really great elements toward the end of each film. It also has some things that tied together in a really cool way if you really paying attention to the series so it's lower on my list but I'm GONNA give paranormal activity number five spot. The number four spot I'm going to give to a franchise that kind of existed for a long time and then has just been re rebooted in a way and that's the Halloween series. So I love the first. Halloween movie I. Watched it probably bit too young. So it really freaked me out it really scared me, and because of that is one of my favorites I really love it. The subsequent sequels are a bit goofy are pretty dumb. Not very good but I. Actually still really liked them I. Just think they're super campy and I think if you have some fun with horror movies, you can still really enjoy them and I was actually really impressed with the more modern reboot that came out I. Think last year maybe the year before but I was actually really into it. I really really liked it basically was the same exact thing as that first movie but flipped it on its head as to who was the protagonist and who was. Like. Doing the killing and I like how it's a much more feminist movie i. just think it was really really cool and it definitely reinvented it in a creative way and I'm curious to see where it goes. All right. Number three is a franchise that isn't even fully horror it started horror and then started to move towards sci-fi and the alien series alien is another hormone. That I, absolutely adore I think it's probably one of the scariest movies ever seen just because of the amount of jump scares and how effective they are also just a creepy premise and even though the threat is obviously not as apparent as a worldly threat or something that can happen on earth I still think it's very scary and I really love how the second sequel. Completely reinvents it in a way even that Halloween thing did it. It's just a complete different genre then becomes an action movie, and then later on in the series they become sci fi movies and even though some of the series comes a bit shot towards the end that kind of happens with a lot of franchises especially, horror franchises. So I, forgive it. If the first few installments are really good or reinvented in some way, and that's why it's number three. So number two. Is a franchise that Should be my favorite but I think it has so much potential didn't deliver and so it has a special place in my heart, but still not quite as good as it should be that's the cloverfield series. So again, maybe not fully horror maybe more sci fi, but there are definitely very clear horror elements in these movies and the first movie is so great I love Cloverfield and then ten cloverfield lane is just as good if not better, I have a special place for cloverfield. So I prefer that one but a lot of people prefer the second one and what I really liked about this series. is going to film dirty for a second is the fact that J.j? Abrams had in a way found a way to take really original scripts that might not get the viewership that they should that are really really like well written scripts and then find a way to market it without making it a big like hero blockbuster movie. So he could put the cloverfield name on it at a little bit about the cloverfield monsters and then basically put out the movie in its entirety without much many touch-ups because that's kind of what ten cloverfield lane did did so. Again little bit horror a little bit a film nerdy. There's a thing called the blacklist on in Hollywood that's a bunch of scripts that have yet to be bought but they're basically like the highest voted rated scripts in Hollywood that are going to probably eventually become movies. It's just a matter of when and how and WHO's going to get it, and so this one ten chlorophyll lane was a script called the bunker and it was number one on there for a very. Long time, and so all of the movie that you see is the bunker until the last like ten fifteen minutes and that's when Actually Academy Award Winning Director Damian Chazelle wrote some touch-ups to add the Hawk chlorophyll monster at the end and I actually think he was slated to direct it but then couldn't because of Lala land or because of whiplash or something probably probably la La land that was his bigger movie. But I really liked it because it was like this idea of a bunch of different stories happening during the alien attack. But for some reason, they kind of messed it up at the end of ten cloverfield lane. So it's a bit later in time and isn't quite the same alien attack. So then they try and then they tried to clean it up with clearfield paradox, which is which was a movie called the God particle, which then gets completely convoluted was really bad. It just was straight up not good and there were also other ideas like overlord was a movie that was. Supposed to be cloverfield movie but then just didn't end up being that was like World War Two, and so I just think that there was such potential to make this a hard hitting franchise of movies that were original and creative and really well written but then could still be marketable and become these big blockbuster movies even if they weren't blockbuster type movies that just a lot of people would end up seeing and we're all about the same alien attack and you could connect all the lower because I love the Lord from this movie that there's kind of a r g surrounding at so. I'm very disappointed by this franchise, but even still I like it was trying to do and I love those first two movies and I do even though it doesn't make any sense I love the ending of cloverfield paradox, the final shots grade. So that's number two on the list. But number one on this list is a film series I saw but more recently. And is just the epitome of what should be a horror franchise and that's the final destination series started out a much smaller story but then kind of leaned in to the Gore of it and why people resonated with it and it just became over the top and campy and silly, and then the thing that makes it so great is the final one wraps. Everything up. So nicely, it makes it kind of this perfect loop, and so that's why I'm going to give it number one the kills are creative. It's just a perfect horror series I could give it to saw, but I haven't seen all of the saw movies even though I do really like that I I probably would like all of the saw movies but. Either way this is that's number one, the final destination. So that is my list of top five horror franchises and those are my movies for the day I. Hope You guys enjoyed it I. Hope you're having fun this October, checking out some horror movies I know that I am. An as always. 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All 7 Series Through the Weekend

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All 7 Series Through the Weekend

"They're really fun Saturday gains recording this first part. So it's fresh Dr minds on Saturday night. This of course, will be available tonight to our pitcher subscribers pay Jan dot com slash Dunkin Loroupe, but of course, we'll also start dunked on on Sunday night. So I think we should start with what has been the most entertaining series. And I was hoping the nets would win to continue this series because I've enjoyed it so much from a strategic standpoint from a drama standpoint, which I'm usually not in four, but I'm in for when players actually criticize other players games in a specific way. Although Jared Dudley would tell you that if you read the whole, quote, it wasn't that inflammatory, but use the word average in today's society when everyone wants to be above average, and people are going to take it the wrong way. But enough meandering let's start with the big adjustment. Danny that the nets made to their starting line-up. Yeah. I mean, this this was really significant. So we had talked earlier about how Brooklyn was getting all this firepower from their bench, and they were the context in game one that they were. Okay. Get. Beat by Philly starting lineup as long as it meant. They could do better with the bench. They made two changes to the starting lineups of the first one was well actually could talk about it together. They pulled Demari Carol and Couric's and they've brought in Kerris sliver and Jared Dudley, and you see some of the effects right away. Now, it wasn't entirely those two that helped key the successful first quarter. From Brooklyn Philly having ten turnovers in the quarter, many of which were forced by good place from Brooklyn was part of it. But we did see a different dynamic from the nets changing up their starting lineup. Yeah. I thought right at the start at least this getting that second ball handler. And they're really helped next when they're able to swing it to the other side, get Lavertu going downhill, and he finished very nicely twenty five points nine of eighteen from the field three abate from three four of nine from the foul on he'd love to have that back in. What was such an incredibly close game down the end put the avoided getting completely blown off the floor in the first five minutes of the half. Which is the. I've been doing a lot of times against that monster Philly starting lineup. The Vert had this unbelievable pass behind his back basically to Jared Allen for a layup against both on it. And then that's searched out to thirty three twenty four lead. After one the other thing that they really did well was controlling their own defensive glass and Jared Allen playing more helped some with that he had twenty one points on seven eleven and seven of seven from the foul line, although it critical turnover late as we'll get to. And then the next guards did more on the defensive glass. Also with said that they needed that for them were guys are actually going to be able to fly in and tip balls away. They've got the advantage because you don't have a body on you. You can take a step and job. Whereas usually the big for the other team are engaged in some sort of boxing out. So those guards can fly over the top. They did that better in this game. So that really helped them to be ahead in the possession game at the start of the first which in many cases, they have not been. Been or all case, basically, they have not been against this Philly team over the first three games irt wished also talk early in this about Joel Embiid. I thought that Embiid had a really impactful game overall despite not having as many of those just indelible sequences, you know, he had a five five six blocks. Sorry, six blocks I've turnovers, but he was just really affecting the game throughout twelve of twenty two from the field for thirty one points got to the line six times. So not that Jared Allen immediate foul trouble or anything like that. And also, a huge, sixteen rebounds and seven assists. There were a series of plays where Embiid was getting lots of attention, and he was able to funnel that into creating a look for somebody else. And that was his most impactful was not in that fashion. But he was able to find open guys for for in this game in Philly ended up shooting fifty percent from the field overall and fifty eight percent onto point. Yeah. Interesting. It didn't seem like your typical Joel game when he's just going through guy. Is getting fall dominating the ball as much as he made more of a concerted effort to get the ball in the paint and score when he tried to face up with that knee. It didn't look as good that is what led some of his five turnovers only took three three pointers out of his twenty two. Phil goal. Thompson Tobias Harris another unsung guy on this. Philly team a guy who you don't really feel him through. The course the game especially because he was over four on threes. But he did a great job of using his size to go up against guys like Tobias Harris Lavertu Russell he's able to put the ball on the floor. Get to a spot pull up for a floater or jump shot. The nets are hanging back in pick. And roll defence at an Harris, a heroic forty three minutes with Jimmy Butler sidelined after that third quarter altercation and twenty four points, six assists. Not the other day knows really interesting about Phileas just a ton of pick and roll Harris Butler in that second quarter. We saw them go to that quite a bit which really they're one of the lower pick and roll teams in the league. But I think they felt they really had the advantage on that. That against the nets. I was also very interested in the continually changing Philadelphia center rotation having emptied for thirty two minutes absolutely helped but Boban only played eleven minutes. And then there was this disastrous three minutes stretch for Joan of Bolden. The biggest play there being one where Brooklyn was bringing the ball up the floor. I think it was after miss shot and bulletins guy was Jared Dudley Dudley. Kind of fallen down on the place de ngelo. Russell was bringing the ball the floor. Bolden was back there. And he just kind of like me Anders over to Angela Russell. And so when Jared Dudley crosses the crosses the time line and gets into the play. Nobody is on him. Diangelo Russel very talented passer. Sees him and Dudley strokes the wide open three. Brett Brown calls. A timeout. Jordan does not see the court again doubly had a nice celebration to after hitting a couple of his threes. Doing the Ben Simmons arms out like a stay away from him a celebration from the last game Dudley had that terrible airball. It was a struggle for Dangelo. Russell he did get to the foul line. And he did hit some. Three pointers, but only two of ten on two points for him SIS, six assists, had twenty one points negative eight and Joe Harris really continues to stroz he had a number of great looks for the guy lead the NBA in three point shooting this season at forty seven percent over six they ran a couple of really nice place for him in AT owes to get him threes, and he just could not convert on them. So those are ones that the nets will probably be thinking about all summer now as they're down by three games to one. Let's talk about that fracas ended up with Butler and Dudley both getting ejected a flagrant foul. One on Joel Embiid. Nobody also was penalized. What did you think of the outcome of that? And I guess we just say what happened here. I that. Joel Embiid committed what was thought to be a hard foul on Jared Allen? The second time that Embiid is followed Allan he had a pretty big elbow to of and then sort of apologize, and then Ben Simmons and Joel started laughing at the podium, which the nets did not take. Kindly to. And so am bead knocked Allen Donnie and beat said, hey, I got all pointing off of Ellen to say the ball went out of image should be our ball. And then Dudley sprints in gives them be to a shed show of Dudley said after the game like guess should have got him harder than I did. And then Jimmy Butler saw that he gives a big shove to Dudley that escalates things Dangelo Russell ran in. I thought us going to get penalized because he shoved a bunch of people. He was really the guy who kind of made everything spill into the stands. But he was judged later be a peacemaker, but what did you think of the outcome there? They get it right in terms of the penalties. No. I I really don't think they got about any of it. Right. And the differences ended up being material because Dudley and Butler getting ejected from the game Butler in particular. I think that his objection was really unfair. They called him an escalator. But no not escalating he's just doing the same thing that Dudley did his guy. Yeah. And Dudley's hit was. Yeah. But you could say it was. Vote by previous antics and all that kind of stuff. But it was it was the real escalation, and when you run up on a do like that. Yeah. When you run up to do that as an escalation, absolutely. And so giving those two players the same punishment seemed really unfair. And then also because Butler a seemed like after that kind of shove back was trying to keep Dudley and Embiid separated. So he actually was more of a peacemaker than the the people the reps gave credit for for being peacemakers Embiid it. So this gets into a really weird thing that the NBA might want to look at in the flagrant foul rules. And I understand the intent behind the intent behind it. It's basically one of the one of the elements of it. The last one is about the kind of the big picture consequences of it. And so one of it is does it lead to an altercation and in this circumstance, it doesn't happen very often. But it is it was very important in this case this led to an altercation, but it led to an altercation because of a mistaken impression of what the foul was. And so like, I understand your deadly. He doesn't get the benefit of replay. He sees Embiid. Swing and hit his guy who's. Been bashing the face by embeds elbow wants to stand up for his guy. But it's completely crazy to punish Embiid four that 'cause then you can get an all these words circumstances of, hey, if somebody does something that's close you might as well incentivize it, especially when it's a lower end player comparatively Jared Dudley and Joel Embiid who's the best player on the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers. We haven't seen too many players game this system, but I'm a little bit concerned about where could go. Yeah. That's right. It if could just communicate that to their players, it does seem like there is an incentive to escalate when there is a potential flagrant foul, and you're more likely than to get it actually called as a flagrant. Embiid did have quite the wind up where. Yeah, he did hit the ball. But when you wind up like that that's the referees. Gonna see you could say maybe got lucky and hit the ball. But I mean, that's a big swing. And when you consider the history there, I'm not surprised that the call was made. I there's an argument even with Phillies problems that jerk deli. Might have been more important to the nets in this game us plus wall, by the way, then Jimmy Butler was to the Sixers because the Sixers had other options to go to now they did the Sixers did end up with Mike Scott guarding Spencer Dinwiddie at the end of the game. You know that something that could have been exploited a little better, maybe by the nets. But I think Dudley especially because w is really the only guy who's had any success using his girth to match Benson's physically to not just let him get run over and get to the Cup. E- can make the argument. I'm not sure that I agree with it. That w is more born in this game than Jimmy Butler was Simmons ended the contest with fifteen points, eight rebounds and eight assists seven to twelve from the field not as dominant as game three. But still I would say a solid performance overall from him, and it was really scramble at moments for both of these teams to adjust to not having a player who was a key part of the rotation who had kind of a role in an identity within this series to lose that player within the third quarter. Was was certainly different. You know, Philly went to. Mike, Scott points. They went to James NS at points. Even dusted off TJ McConnell briefly and Philly so Philly had all that. And Brooklyn day went to some smaller lineups where they played their pro their keep remember players altogether. Demari Carol got a little bit more time. And I thought it did make both teams a little bit more disjointed. And I don't think that is like the reason Philly one or anything like that. But adding a little bit of variance. I think you know, with some of the shots that went in is in go into the end of the game. I mean, I it would have been different. I I still think Philly probably wins. But it changed it for sure. The end of the game. Who was fantastic Brooklyn started attacking JJ Ruddick in pick and roll which they didn't go to at all really in games two and three and they were great at it in game. One Philly at tried switching it in game. One Rettig got roasted. So now, they instead head Rettig try to hedge recovery didn't do a great job of that was leading guys turn the corner. And that ended up with Jared Allen getting an alley dunk on the head of Joel Embiid. From charissa avert in the fourth quarter. They got a lot of good stuff out of that. I felt like they didn't even go to it enough down the end just some of the noteworthy plays office of rebounding was enormous. Jared Allen had a huge offensive rebound that he tipped out to the ngelo Russell for three to put Brooklyn up to then Joel Embiid head amid slap a bunch of MS tips. Philly had a ton of miss tips in in the fourth quarter. But they ended up getting the ball out of bounds. Then Ben Simmons Scott his own offensive rebound off miss flora, the Sadat's Rettig and Rettig appeared to just slip with his left foot as the past was in the air still managed to recover and even with this feat. Not set took the wide open three made it for all those who say odd JJ Rennick never seems to make a key three while there's one for you put him up by one. The nets throw it away with a terrible Spencer Dinwiddie pass. Then Joel Embiid tried to ice. Oh, up top the Sixers who had tried this counter a lot to the top locking on Ruddick. What they did was. They started Rettig higher out on the. Floor and then either set a screen going towards the baseline former just let him shove off on the guy and go to the corner, and he was open this play Embiid head his head down by the time. The ball got back his hand off the dribble. He tried to throw it to the corner, but the window is closed. The nets get a steal. Joe Harris makes a really tough layup often ice pass from Russell over. Embiid puts the nets up one. They put intrigue on grand for Dangelo. Russell good offense defense replacement for Atkinson. I thought Philly missed some chances to do a offense defense with the number timeouts. They have. And then the key play. Embiid fronted in the post, they lob it into Joe Harris comes over to great play to get a hand the ball squirts free in the baseline and Embiid. Great job, most, important assists. The night tips at to Joe Harrison the corner for our absurd to Mike Scott in the corner for what ended up being the winning three pointer. And then what did you think of that last segment where the nets had a chance to either tie or take the lead and journal Ellen up turning it over I thought it was a great play pair of. Plays actually by Ben Simmons. Simmons was actually guarding off the nearside player. I believe it was Joe Harris and Jared Allen is kind of driving towards the basket Brooklyn is only down to and and he looks like he has a little bit of a lane and then Simmons digs down and gets into slowdown. And then that allows Phillies help to get there. And then when Allen kind of pulls back and brings the ball over sent to try to finish. It. Simmons comes back in and deflects the ball ends up getting the steel. And so now instead of it being a Brooklyn shut down to Philadelphia has the ball and Tobias Harris gets it and get those two free throws. And functionally ends the game. Simmons did a great job communicating initially to get out on Joe Harris. The play initially looked like it was for Joe Harris to get a three. And that's certainly what you wanna do there. If you're down to at least have a look for three Boerner that wasn't there. The nets were very upset that Tobias Harris who switched onto Allen on that plays. He rolled towards the rim was not called for grabbing Allen around the waist. Absolutely. Did that? Was a clear fall Ellen may the past kind of out in front of him. And he fumbled it because he didn't get as much of a running start ju- that hold from Harrison that enabled Simmons to get back into the play. So maybe that ends up being dunk for Jared Allen. If that hold good called properly that's supposed to be appointed education refs missed that one the money. Mccutchen will not be happy. Because supposedly at the end of games in the playoffs. They're going to call it consistently the same way to do every also thought the nets definitely had a gripe there, but they certainly had many many other chances in this game. And they got to the foul line more than the Sixers did by a long shot despite not having like, actually that's not true. They are one of the better free throw shooting teams in the league in terms of free throw rate. The nets are with a lot of that Carol in Dinwiddie, and those weren't the guys pushing it in this game anything else in general you want to say on this one. Yeah, I had a couple of things. So one Brooklyn in this contest, they took more shots from the field. And they took more free throws than Philly did. But because they made fewer of of. Those shots. They were they had a true shooting percentage of fifty two percent Philly was it about fifty eight in this game that made a big difference. And so even though they they won the turnover battle. They won the offensive rebound battle. It just wasn't quite enough because their offense wasn't as efficient and something else. That was really amazing about the I had I would have thought it was high. But I wouldn't have expected this journey. Allen contested twenty eight shots in this game. And most of those are at the rim. Yes. Speaking of shots at the rim. The nets took seventeen shots at the rim in the first quarter of big reason why they were able to get on the offensive glass so much early was because they were getting shots at the rim. Some of which are missing in those are much easier to offense everybody with the help having reacted at Davis. Unfortunately was unable to play he'd played single digits minutes in gainst two three was not able to go at all in this one. So they really only have one center on the roster. That's Jared Allen. They had to go to Rhonda hells Jefferson. I thought that when Philly was really killing them in the second quarter in pick and roll. Role. They're going with either w Hollis Jefferson at center, but still playing conventional pick and roll defence. And part of that was because Embiid is on the floor, but you know, his Hollis Jefferson really gonna stop and beat in the post. No, you're gonna have to double team. Anyway. So really doesn't matter that much who you end up with guarding impede. Why you just switch in that situation? Because what ended up happening was there. They had Dudley and house Justin playing the exact same kind of pickerel defense that Jared unusually, but he's but Jared Allen it's seven foot and a great shop locker when you get to harass or Jimmy Butler with the head of seemed going at Hollis Jefferson Dudley. They're just going to be able to score on him every time or get fault. So that I didn't really care for that strategy. If you're going to go there, we still didn't see any of the Dudley at center lineups w didn't play the whole way of Dudley at center, Lance without Hollis Jefferson on the floor. It's really spacing it out the first quarter. They did get a ton of penetration and gets their kind of looked similar to the way it did in game one. But they never really went all the way there. And I still felt like they could have done that. I felt I could even gone after. Rettig? Born fact, it was that was what they went to to get that tying layup for Joe Harris in transition, which was was smart. Let's see any other notes that you had me go through. Yeah. I have one more. So huge part of the year. The early section of the game. Was Brooklyn getting ten turnovers in the first quarter. Philly only turn the ball eight times in the entire rest of the game. And that really helped them get back into it. Because when you're more effective is as the offensive team on your shots, then getting up more shots makes a big difference. And so I thought that really helped the game. So Brooklyn had twenty five points off of off of turnovers, but a large portion of those came during that first quarter. So it was a big advantage that they had which basically evaporated after that early part. Yeah. So they had twelve points off of turnovers in the first quarter and thirteen in the entire rest of the game. I thought the Angela Russell is actually had a better defensive series than I thought he would they haven't targeted much isolation with him spending time guarding Butler and Harris wants of the time. But. When the few times, they have he hasn't gotten totally trucked. They've kept him off of guys like, Greg. So there's not a ton of coming off screens. He's not that good at getting over screen do there. But I think he's at a good effort. He's made some plays defensively. James Ennis, a big twenty minutes it again for him seven points, plus three just giving them. Something was important. I do think though that Russell just offensively. It's such a Mitch mixed bag with him. I ne- hasn't had a single game in this series with more points than true shooting attempts under fifty percent shooting and this has been kind of an offensive series. I did think that they helped him out a little little bit by not making him be the guy who has to take the shot every time on that starting lineup. But hopefully, they'll stick with that as well. But I think didn't would he gives you a little bit more versatility. They did close the game with all three of the guards Harris and Jared Allen. So they really went with an offensive group down the end tomorrow. Carol really struggle us. Oh for six trivia on Graham was over three didn't really have a lot of other direction. Sco Kurtz didn't. Play it all you always have to question when a guy goes from being in the starting lineup to not playing it all like why was he in? If you believe in that little Wisey in the starting lineup at all. You know? It's just already is a rookie. It's kind of a good story. You know, whatever. But they threw away three games in this series with him in the starting line. But he's I don't think is a bad player. He's got a nice future. But if you don't think he's one of the top nine players on the team. Maybe don't start sa- thought there part of what makes this will really tough to bear. And this this'll be a story in Saturday games with the nets is that I think their their core players. I thought did did pretty well overall, not not sterling games revert was affected offensively Dinwiddie had some nice moments. Russell better defensively had another game where he had some better moments in the fourth quarter than earlier on Jared Allen was affected and played a lot of minutes. But Joe Harris missed all six of his threes. Four fourteen from the field Demari Carol you mentioned the desire for six Trayvon Graham missed all three of his shots. And that's that's tough. I mean 'cause those. Players have been an important part of their success. They were a lot of them were providing value on the defensive end, you know, doing other things. Well, but at a certain juncture, the guys that are usually creating shots for need to make at least some of them. And if you're facing a capable Ponant, which Brooklyn was it that could be hard to survive know, so three two one. Now, I think we've already usually by the time you get through game for most of the key adjustments. But made out imagined they're kinda gonna stick with some of the same stuff that we talked about just trying exploited even more potentially here in we got a lot of other games to get to. So as we're going into a game five here. Clearly, Philly the big favourite in that game five I do feel like the series. This was the one that the nets had to win to make it a six game. They affiliates better than them. But even if the sends up being five I'll feel decent about the prediction that I think we both made that this was going to go six there were some aspects that were troublesome. And obviously the health of Joel Embiid is going to be a big factor as well when he was able to play thirty two minutes. They basically. Really didn't play him at all in the last like nine minutes of the first half. But he was still just awesome in this game. Despite clearly being limited. And I think they deserve credit to for the strategy of rusting of en- game three knowing that they had nearly thirty six hour turnaround here for the next game to just say, hey, we're going to give him five days arrests than the next game in the series is what they got two days rusted between so with this short turnaround, it made much more sense. Give him another couple of days. So he could play in this game rather than game three. They're obviously trying to manage this as much as they can one other quick thing invention since we won't talk about this series until game five huge incentive for Philadelphia to close it out because then they can give him beat in the rest of these guys some rest before the second round. Concur there sue Ford move. I wanna tell you about him Zev. You've heard me talk about them with regard to hair loss where I have used their service with the finance ride to help keep my hair. But now they're offering. A new product propranolol. If you find yourself suffering from Anglesey, sit important moments not overall inside. But say of speaking engagement a job interview, you feel your heart starts to race. And you start to get a little bit distracted that something that can happen to anyone. 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Com slash don't see website for full details and safety information. So we felt as if the nets had one that they'll be regretting for a long time. But that's nothing to me in comparison to the opportunity that the Utah Jazz blew the night agreed especially because Utah came into the series in a different place than Brooklyn Brooklyn was happy to be there this I would say this was a successful season and Utah IB Houston is a terrible matchup for them. But remember they finished this regular season. Third net rating actually underperformed the point of rental of fifty eight win team. And now despite having a lot of positives in this game. They're on the precipice of losing the series and possibly even being swept out of the first round. James harden started the game over fifteen. And yet even at the point when he started his score a little bit. He finished his three of six to five from three in the fourth quarter and got to the line quite a bit. And overall finished fourteen to sixteen had ten assists and six steals for harden. Twenty two points overall, the jazz still barely had the lead throughout much of this given I believe when hardened got his first field goal. The jazz had already fallen behind the jazz had maybe a five point lead the three point lead throughout the the meat of this game. They never were able to pull away head some atrocious turnovers. Ricky Rubio was a big culprit there the three point shooting. Once again, just did not go down twelve out of forty one. And the did try to get some more shooting on the floor. Korver was able to play closers door will minutes. They put in George Neang for seventeen minutes. I those guys are pure shooters. But man, Royce O'neil one for five he had some wide open ones. Rubio as wide. Once Joe Ingles, usually so reliable too for eight on three pointers. It was a struggle for him. So I ain't. That's what they're going to be thinking about here. I mean, you hold Houston to one of five offense of rating, and that was due to some fireworks at the end. You know, they were under a point per possession for most of this game. And yet the offense just could not bring it home in that. There were back to back possessions were huge Don Mitchell had an alleyoop from ROY. So Neil that was just a little bit too far ahead of an Donovan now too good one foot jumper. So he needed to slow down. Try and grab it with to jump off a two feet and just couldn't quite put it down Derrick favors missed a wide-open dunk it at one point right after that Mitchell. L U Joe Ingles and a wide open wing three all this is with the jazz down one. And then Eric Gordon came right back and hit a three and the jazz. I think that was actually their last chance to take the lead at that point. You mentioned a lot of near misses. And there's one other one that I thought was important in this one. And that was Utah missing thirteen free. Throws a game this close Mitchell was twelve of seventeen but then a bunch of other guys, you know, just had missed a couple, you know, picked up those things, and I think. Another important element to discuss the outset of this game is the change in starting lineup. Derrick favors coming off the bench. I thought he did decently. Well, overall, having Jay Crowder out there made logical sense. It wasn't the best Jae Crowder game overall. They were just going through other things. I think the process of that decision was right? And it worked out it worked out reasonable. I mean, they started out molten. They were they were started. I think it was an eight oh run though, part of that was benefiting from what seemed like an incredibly dubious foul call and James harden. Donovan Mitchell got four point play in the corner. And didn't seem like there was much contact at all that was I believe that was hard and second foul got two thousand quick succession. Paralleling Durant actually in the clippers game and paralleling that one also, Dan Tony kept hardening the game, which I thought was one hundred percent correction, and the fact that hardman ended up missing all the shots in the quarter. Doesn't impact with that was rhetoric. Incorrect. Correct. Yeah. Hard and it was a real weird game for him. The jazz certainly came out with much better defensive intensity. Rudy Gobert was all. Over the place. He had three blocked shots in the first four minutes. The game blocked harden. A couple of times blocked, his floater wants Guerrero, so blocked a Chris Paul three pointer. A he definitely was more active. And but harden, I mean with some of the passes that he is throwing in getting deflected and the number of shots at us getting blocked. It just seemed like something was off about him, and it could have been fatigue, especially towards the enemy mean he looked so tired may miss the first game at altitude. You'll maybe he'll come back to be better in game four, and you get a chance to acclimatise the a little bit. Maybe it was just the the crop. He looked almost like disoriented at times out there buddy managed to fight through it. And at least gets the follow on enough to salvage eight semi decent night and stayed with it until that fourth quarter and down the end. Houston was always going to have the advantage on Utah with their Sapir isolation players that we could talk a little bit more about some of the strategic machinations that throughout the game. This has been a really interesting. Series that to be sure. Well, before we get into the back initial something. I thought was important. When harden was still struggling was some of the big shots and shot making that their bench players had so often Evers hit a couple of threes. Gerald green was three for five. But had he had one particular that I just thought was really really tough little kind of relocation drew off the dribble. Three and house had a big one. Erik Gordon had a few big ones as well. And having those types of players have been we were talking about the jazz had to go to George Neang. And and all these other players in Houston. You know, it's not like they threw massive resources on the table to get Jodi green, Austin rivers and Daniel house. Now, they had a selling point that there was playing time on this team that will be competing for an MBA that is one of the best teams in the league. But it is notable that basically all of those guys were our minimum contract players, many of whom were even cut in season and have been are important parts of this team yet that was KE keeping them in in the first one when you Tony. Had a five point lead the first half and Utah played very well in the first half overall other than you know, still missing too many open shots, although the they hit more a especially in the Ang had a couple of weeks in that first. He was brought in as a stretch for part of the thinking there, which I think it has some merit is while it doesn't matter who you're fourth-worst 'isolation defender is against the rockets because they're gonna go after the fifth worth sky. So you might as well have your fourth worst guy provide a little bit more offense. You know, there are limits to that. Because you still need to get help on the backside is up the Neang as an intelligent player. And I thought that was a quality adjusted another really dice adjustment for the jazz was really emphasizing the roll man again. And that was something that they had had a lot of success with in their one victory over Houston the playoffs the in game two the other thing that allowed them to keep a close as they actually didn't just get completely slaughtered. Right. It's the start of the game which David Locke pointed out his basically happened in all these other games during the. Teams in the plaza except that one win that Utah had. And so what are the things that they started doing was on the pick and roll remember that Houston does not switch as much now. So they really were trying to not only get the big guy ruling to the rim. But had the big I post up on the smaller guard coming over helping you remember how small air usually that's going to be Chris Paul or an Austin rivers size guy, or it'll be hardened. And so Rudy Gobert has gotten a lot stronger. He's not as great post moves. But if he could just get his, but it to the guy you throw it up to him same thing with favors. He's able to make that catch. Neither get a foul or a dunk and that worked really well early on those they got hardens I fell on that action. The other thing they did too. I thought I don't know if this is intentional. But especially with Rubio setting a lot of the screens for him closer to the rim inside the three point. When usually you want it to be further out. So the guy can accelerate and turn the corner. Well, if they're going to bring a guy like Capella way up on the ball almost trap that what you wanna do is have. A pass available to the roll, man. That's gonna get the roll man right at the rim as opposed to forcing the guy way out on the floor. Now, you throw it to go. Bayer favors and he's at the freeze for line and he has to make a play. Now, you can throw it too many scout that size advantage on the helper coming over. So they really Ribble to emphasize that quite wallet. I was impressed there with that adjustment. I thought done but Mitchell's passing in the first quarter was awesome me at a couple of plays just diamond guys up again, the other just couldn't hit the three pointer. He had one just like awesome backhand passing through Zee's where he's not as great of a left handed passer, but it'll kind of loop his right arm around behind the ball and throw it almost backhand onto it shooter. He had a couple of those. He had this one great fake at the top of the key worry froze, the help guy through joy Neil for wide open, Gordon three, which of course, miss, but the jazz did manage a one fifteen offense of reading in that first and ios just going downhill from there Mitchell also had a rough stretch from shooting not as pronounced as hardened by thinking missed twelve twelve shots. In a row, and some of those were I would say most of them were were reasonable, accept them. We're a little bit IMB issues, and it can happen. And also Mitchell had just another one of those haunting MRs where on the last play. I thought it was really interesting oh decision. Whether it was tactical or more and more happenstance where go bare kind of lays back when he's kind of setting the screen for Mitchell. And there's a miscommunication between Austin rivers and click appele. So despite having all the incentive in the world. Houston's up three they could have theoretically fell because they forced Utah to burn their final timeout, which makes it even clearer that if you have the chance to fell instead done Mitchell gets a wide open three could have taken a tub. Oh, Cephalonia esque amount of time to get set gets the shot and misses it. And that's the end of the game. You know, the rent a really nice play the the new Houston would be switching everything and they force them to miscommunicate Austin rivers Inc. Cappella and ended up getting just that wide open three for their best body of shooter Mitchell. And I think he is. Just so surprised that he was opened that he missed it. I mean people like choked while let's forget that like nobody in NBA history has ever shot like over fifty percent on open threes in their career. So even if he's wide open, the bore likely outcome is still going to be that he misses it. So let's go crazy. But certainly a missed opportunity that he would he would love to have back a couple of really funny moments in the second quarter. One was a jazz missed free throw. Cal Korver was just you know, one of the guys in the lane line just because you have to have someone there in the NBA. He just starts jogging down as the boggles up the rockets funnel. Fumbled the rebound. And Korver only turned around to see that the ball just bounce right out to him. He's jogging now court the crowd starts to grown. And then Gortat turns route because the crowd started to grow in grad, the offensive rebound. And then on another play when Mitchell drove Quin Snyder ended up getting teed up. But number one, he saved his his guy Rudy Gobert from getting technical, and maybe even getting thrown out of the game could screw bear. As the action is going down the other way, just run str-. Towards the baseline and starts yelling at the referee tonight. Or thankfully, got in front of him and was so angry himself that he saved goober the tea, but go was like totally out of the place. That would have got fast break it almost ended up being a good play by Snyder, just take the tea and sled. Stop the action. The rarest the rarest of things the euro technical fell. He. Down the end we saw a Cup or not even necessarily done the end. But we saw a couple of things that Houston did that were over throwback last year number one. They went more with Tucker at center, Mike dantonio actually had told Alec Yan Johnny of the ethnic that he wasn't going to go to that alignment because they did have the same size to switch everything that they did last year. But he did try it when to try and get heart and going down the end of the second quarter with a net force Tucker to be guarded by Gobert, and Tucker, I think he had a corner three there. But the rockets still did get much out of that line. But it didn't go back to the second half. And the other thing is they started beating up those coverages. I mean, they were taking advantage of they're still getting good looks the the coverage of two on the ball, which they've been doing for Wallace cappella that they actually just went back to the streets. Switching down the end in the jazz really were not quite ready for that other than just getting the ball to Donovan Mitchell guarded by James harden. Finally, they went back to that. And I thought I mean when you look at the game that hardened had. Yeah, it was in trouble. I think also when he he's more wary of getting an offensive foul that really kind of slows down to some degree as well. But in the altitude they made them play defense more. I think that that really helped to tire them out and Mitchell with the accession of one play blue by harden every single time he was ice on me. It wasn't as bad as when hardened just has the guy trying to take away the step back, but almost as bad hardened. Just wasn't even getting into a stance at all not even trying and Mitchell was just blowing by one time. At the end harden did force miss when he actually did try to get into a stance. But overall, I thought they got good stuff out of that. And then it was just a question of Mitchell making the right decision, which he didn't a couple of times at one time. He got blocked by cappella when he had favorites wide open, then he adjusted and he made a nice drop pass to go bear for dunk later. But or guys missing shots when he was setting them up on that dry, but certainly in game four although the series is over you'd expect to see more of that Mitchell getting going early. They also ran a few shooting sets for him to come off screens, which I think helped so I mean, he had a wonderful. Quarter. Obviously struggled in the second half a other than when he was going at hardened. But I thought it at least looked better for him tonight when because there's always going to be a certain number isos against Houston. So at least get against the worst offender entire out heart and evening, if you're gonna miss shop, you brought up pardons foul trouble, another part of this game that we should mention is that Chris Paul picked up his fifth foul before the end of the third quarter still played pretty close to normal minutes. It was it was a solid Chris Paul night. He did have that nice play late where he froze go bear. And then got the layup. But I mean, I just being able to stay on the floor considering paula's one of their more important offenders. You can be a stabilizing force on that end an intelligent passer to be sure so staying on the floor when you have foul trouble and not sacrificing as much defensively as as hard did is significant and was significant for the last thing here, and this isn't even a criticism of of the jasmine particular when you are down in the last with the shot clock off when you know, you're not gonna have a chance for another possession without following why on earth, don't you have three. Guys going to the offense of glass, maybe even four when Mitchell miss that shot. There's like one jazz guy going for the offense rebound like there's no downside for everyone going to the fence of glass and trying to get it. Maybe you wanna leave your best three point shooter. Or maybe the guy who took the three to be out there for a kickout potentially. If you're down three if you're down to that everybody should be sprinting to the offensive glass in that situation. It's hard though to get the offense rebound, and then like gerbil backout it and shoot at three. So maybe you leave one guy out there on that play. But a new really should be having everyone go there, and there's just the jazz guys. I'm just gonna stand out here at the three point line. Like, it's an almost shot with three minutes left in the second quarter. We almost forgot the other huge rebounding mistake, and that was right before that PJ Tucker. Yeah, harden harden and miss the miss the step back PJ Tucker is there, and I mean Ingles I think was misplayed that Rudy go bare could probably could have gotten closer to it. And PJ checker gets the clutch offensive rebound like he has so often especially as a rocket, but also throughout his career splits the free. So that gave Utah chance, but I mean, if they get that rebound with ten seconds left up down to sorry. There are a lot more options there, and then there would have been more options of they hadn't had to burn their final timeout. Absolutely right there talk Nogi Spurs. Boy Denver's short turned around this this. And this is game fours are just so Basset in series. I mean, the Spurs up to one it took a miracle win for Denver initiative miracle, but a miracle quarter with Joel Murray is really the only time they've looked good. The only time he's look good in the series and Denver really after the first quarter when they held thirty four to twenty two and it looked like they were just done a controlled this one throughout one seventeen one three. It was garbage time for the last six minutes of the game. And now despite all the trouble, Denver, probably I think the series is gonna go seven regardless but to to headed home, they're probably gotta be the favorites in this series of shaky as they have looked at. They did. Did change Mike Malone change their starting lineup. They brought Tori Craig in place of will Barton. I thought that brought a couple of different benefits. What of the being, Tori? Craig going five for seven from three touring rig actually being much better on offense than Wilburton which we didn't see coming. We didn't see coming. And also I thought he made a big big impact on the defensive and made life harder under drills and ended up with a good. Buck scoreline nineteen point seven to thirteen from the field got to the line. But I thought that Tori, Craig made life harder. He's also a much more adept help defender, so he was so Craig was able to impact things and also in the very very early going. I thought that being on the second unit helped activate will Barton was really at the beginning of the second quarter. Because at that point he was there. They were going to Montaigne Morris a lot in the end of the first quarter when Barton came in. But then he he had two threes. And then he got a little bit thirsty in Barton. I think he went he he missed six straight shots in that neck stretch. But he was more active. He was also I thought he did a better job with the citizen. And that is the rule that is best for him. I'm on a team with these kind of aspirins out. It was against the steam at least he gets his team. But I mean, theoretically, if they're facing the warriors or somebody else, then Barton's gonna run into other problems as well. So or the rockets should they or whoever I mean, great, and maybe not in the in the second round because that whole side of the bracket is weird. But Craig was a huge plus, and then one of the most important parts of the game was something we did this game for the NBA cast that we missed part of probably why it happened at the time. And that was Mason Plumlee, picking up his hook picking up his third foul in the first quarter. Yes, sometimes when we have the sound off. We're not aware that I don't think they flashed a graphic that said three falls just come in. He played three minutes. Like either to look at it. Yeah. So, but what ended up happening was Nicole Yokich and Paul Millsap started the second quarter down twelve and I thought it was just oh Bologne is going to go for the jugular, by the way. I mean, this is bad bad process. Good results. Yolk agenda, playing twenty two minutes in the first half bed process because meets impulsivity is going to play what fifteen minutes for you max and always fault trouble. We'd better take about. He's not gonna close the game. Just leave him out there. Andy finished with four files in eleven pretty bad minutes. I thought up, but he Mike Bologne stuck with his overly conservative foul strategy. And instead brought back Yokich and that really worked. Well, because we'd saw that Paul Millsap who did struggle offensively here but in this game, but the overall matchup was little bit better. We saw that Paul Millsap had been guarded by poodle on with that second unit instead of reggae 'cause Millsap it beat up gay. But then with Pertile enga- in there together versus Yokich kitchen Millsap. That's when the nuggets were really able to get right back into it. They immediately cut that twelve point lead. I think they want to seven oh run to start. They put up thirty two points to twenty Zan Tonio in that quarter. And in fact, the Spurs only got twenty because I think they got at least. Ten points on just like really bad falls over the back breakers to three shot files for Patty mills a couple like rakes rake falls when derozen did the hardened extend the are moves through a guy who is digging down in that guy just reached in and committed about file you just plays where the Spurs didn't do anything to really deserve getting the foul, but the next just made mistakes and filed them so they really dominated that second quarter. And then did the same in the third thirty seven twenty five. But it was really I mean, the whole tenor of the game changed when they went back to Yokich, and he was awesome. Thirty nine minutes. Twenty nine points ten to twenty two from the field. Eight of eight from the foul line, eight assists and plus seventeen and he was the best player. I think out there tonight's. Well, there's one other important thing with yoga, eight assists, zero turnovers Denver as a team only turned the ball over seven times. So they won the possession game against the San Antonio Spurs. Not something that happens very often because they also tied in offense rebounds, eleven to Levin and. Tonio got got most those little binges like a Pearl out a couple Aldridge had a couple, you know, those sorts of sequences. And I thought Denver's defense looked a lot better after the first quarter. They were forcing San Antonio tough shots. And yeah, I think it was they were five of singers will something like five of twenty two in that second quarter. But they just got to the foul line so much that they were able to put up twenty. I thought that Mike Malone made some nice adjustments. So number one, obviously was starting Craig you don't expect Tori credit go five hundred for three it's tough shot. So he deserves so much credit for how he's improved the versatility of jumps shot. I think he's actually also got a lot better defensively this year. I thought that he was know kind of more of a paper tiger who looked like you'd be a really good defender and tried hard. But wasn't that good last year? And I was critical of them just giving him that contract off of the two way this year for the goes like almost three billion dollars. Now, I think it was two million bucks. And I was completely wrong about that. He's been outstanding desert starting to play thirty seven minutes in this game and had eighteen points. Also was Kia on the glass. Where they've been hurt at times in the series with eight defensive rebounds, two steals. A block a more impactful help defender to be sure. And so putting him in was good. They also went a little bit more with some lineups with him at the four. The first time we've seen them go with someone other than Plumbly Yokich and Millsap at the four five positions. I thought that those units worked pretty well. Also. And then there are some strategic things one thing that we had talked about after the last game was to get Jamal Murray going maybe actually go with some more high pick and roll. And I thought that that worked pretty well. Barton Gallo bit of high pick and roll also. And while the DA Joe game has done because it involves more guys you get a lot more player movement. The problem is that when you on a DA Joe, it's a lot harder to actually set the screen and get that imposition. It's better easier to get good contact on the screen when you're doing a high pick and roll because the big man has the freedom to just move wherever he wants to move your your tethered to your dribble. Your tether, you got. To protect your dribble or you've picked the ball up. You can't really move. It's up to the guy coming off of that delete. Go tight off you and so those can get blown up more easily, and you just never get a chance to get it to the guy or they hand off to Murray m than white who such a great athlete is right behind them, and as able to bother the shot from behind so by going to a high pig you're older able to ensure that a better screen took place the and get those guys a little bit more room. So I thought that was a nice adjustment from them as well one dynamic of this series. That has surprised me. But also is extremely important moving forward is San Antonio getting so little from their bench in this one. They really only played four guys during the competitive portion of the game Rudy gay zero for seven from the field. Didn't really have a place to be in a lot of his minutes. Bella Nellie awful defensively missed his shots. Authencity Patty bills at the free throw exhibition and and had a couple nice passes. And I think he was better defensively overall. He was probably the bright spot on the novice batons was was okay. Not not as impactful as I had hoped. He only took one. Three pointer in the game and missed it. And so all those guys played seventeen to twenty minutes, though. Some of that was a I think a little bit of that might have been in garbage time, and broadly speaking they were outplayed by Denver's bench. Yeah. Maybe having brought in there to get a little more playmaking help to Monte Morris. When he wasn't falling Patty mills three times on three pointer. Thankfully, one of them was deemed non shooting. Fall a nice game with eleven points of his own one of the things that really struck me from the last game. When I went back and watched a Samaha Derek Whyte was ill to put up that thirty six points was just how much us getting the rim, and how little of an impact Yokich had when he was getting there. I mean, the oaks on the floor for a lot of those for many he never reacted or when he did white was able to score easily Aranda and that was the case for a couple of early buckets. But in large part the nuggets adjusted because remember game to fourth quarter Murray is helping ton off of white whites. Just standing at the three point line, and they don't make him pay a then game. Three a ton of help is coming off. A white and white is getting cuts. He's attacking hard when he's not being guarded. He's getting to the rim and the nuggets don't have any rim protection. So he's able to finish their very well game four they switch up again. Now, we're not going to double off of Dirk wedding more. In fact, they didn't do much to me at all. And they had I thought they did a really nice job on both derozen and Aldridge when those guys try to to get into their ice. Oh game, particularly I'll just audited twenty four points and was ten of eighteen but a lot of that was kinda quick plays around the rim where he got set up by other guys like his direct posts ups really were pretty ineffectual in this game. And with Craig on the floor. They're allowed to play a little bit more straight up help in conventional ways at the room when there was penetration. They just helped deny penetration sports were eight of nine at the rim in the first quarter of that thirty four points. We thought it was just going to be more of the same. And then after that during the competitive portion of the game, they're able to shut that off a little bit more. I took twenty three shots at the rim. The rest of the way but made fifteen of them, which was acceptable. Especially when this. Has jumpers just weren't going to of sixteen for mid range from the league's second-best mid range shooting team behind the warriors. And then the three pointers they didn't even get any up fourteen their three out of fourteen from three and the nuggets just made everything there are fifteen to twenty nine last game and fifty at twenty nine this game during the competitive portions. So they outscored the Spurs by a tidy thirty six points from the three point line during non-garbage done cutting out the final six minutes it. It is interesting how this game tied in with something that you and I have discussed in the series, which is the idea that San Antonio's offenses. They're going to be in that like, you know, one ten offensive rating range one ten to one fifteen maybe and that was true in this. I mean, it was it was very St. separated because they were much better in the first quarter than the second and third San Antonio ended up at a one eleven offensive rating before the final six minutes, but Denver by hitting every shot not turning the ball over. They put up a one thirty. So there I think their defense did play better overall. But denver. Offense stepped up to the plate one above that. And so that's what gives them control of this series again, albeit not firm control because all it takes is one one more San Antonio win in Denver, which they've already done before it had to wrest control back yet. Clearly think the winner a game five is going to take the series at this point. And then Tonio despite the fact that they shot so poorly still actually had a one eleven offense of writing during the competitive portion against Denver is found the panacea. Here will see whether this three point shooting carries over you imagine they're not gonna be shooting over fifty percent from three for a third consecutive game. Other quick note Plumlee, I mentioned that he had a rough game petty mills was just destroying him in pick and roll the scheme is for pulling to get out on the floor and first mills gets a running start at plumbing because they set the screen out near half court and just goes right around him for a layup, then mills splits, the pick and roll defence gets right to the rim than paulie tries to let them split at mills just goes right around and gets right to the rim again. And so it was a really rough. Stretched fortunately for the nuggets they were scoring during that stretch. But it easily could have got another way in the Spurs could have gotten back into it is, but the nuggets maintained about a ten point lead through that early part of the fourth, but it was a employee also hit a couple of those ugly sweeping hook shots at. I heard on Twitter compared to the decamping Matombo hook shot, which I thought was pretty accurate though is not a work of art either. So what are you looking for here as we go into game five between these teams can Denver continued to hit shots will San Antonio's mid range shooting in particular progress to the mean, but even if it does the margin at the three point line is huge San Antonio game two three three. And also I thought Jaka Purnell had an impactful game. He did deal with some some foul trouble at different moments. But he Denver having those two bigs on the floor. Lot gives Purnell the ability to effect shots. Whether it's you know by just being in the right place oftentimes at the right time. And I I wanna see how he plays in game five. Yeah. He is one of the higher fall guys NBA, well and his pal. Trouble got muddy unison the game for a brief point in the third quarter. Which was which was surprising also little bit confusing because those guys were similar numbers. And so, and so I think it's twenty five and twenty eight respectively and so- Modena's was in not in the defensive stalwart. But then Pearl came into start the fourth I believe Yokich getting the twenty two shots was huge and San Antonio doesn't have an answer for him in the post, and whether they get into that start off with that five one pick and roll which you saw a little bit more of still seems like they don't have that in as a cold play. That's all just gonna improvising and but Yoka cheese abuses, Purtill with the up and unders he's just too big brain. When he's able to back down a position. He also has his defense out on the floor and protected the rivers and cook. But his post defense has been outstanding on in the series did not let him get to that right hand, even once and he's not strong enough to back down. That's very important for Aldridge because despite being kind of a thin guy he really needs to be able to create separation for that fadeaway jump shot of. So that's that's what I expect to see. A R Spurs gonna try and double still how much are the Spurs going to believe in the three point shooting of Craig to they try and bring help off Millsap was probably also inconsistent three point you to the reason that Barton is in the starting lineup of the fact that he makes a lot of money is that when you have Craig Millsap out the spacing can get really tight. I'm not sure that there are a ton of adjustments left would like we said, you know, after game four you kind of start to figure out really what this series is. But there we have really enjoyed seeing a lot of counters. And now, it's really Gregg Popovich is turned to respond. I do think that the Spurs. I mean, Denver gave up like I think close to the most corner threes and a ton of threes overall and to get up seventeen three point attempts. That's just not enough for this burst. Even m Michael right at a nice piece for ESPN about the Spurs player development. And one thing that I thought was very interesting was doves protons who was obviously benefited under this regime from great published. But he said, yeah, you know, you're not allowed to bomb away from three here. Like, they want you to still work at around and get the good shot. And I think this I could benefit a little bit more for bombing way. At least altered space out. He even took two three pointers in this one. But in the Spurs starting lineup took eight three pointers. You white is not really a competent three point shooter. At this point in time. Forbes is really the one guy who can shoot it when he's on the move. I thought they did get more out of mills though. And and I think mills adds a pace to their offense. Both in transition. I think he's a little bit better defensively. Getting over screens a Anne brings a little bit more pick and roll play. Then Forbes does so I might try to bring mills in a little bit more. Maybe there's just a feeling that mills mills is also better at like drawing bullshit files, which Denver seems very happy to concede. A so I would like to see maybe a little bit more mills little bit less. Forbes. You know, Rudy gay had a real struggle tonight at over seven Denver did an awesome job. I think I commend Denver and Mike bliss only that Mike blown his talked about before the media. I ca. Amend Denver for other than committing a few falls forcing guys to where they need to be forced and always having disciplined that making Rudy gay go left, and he really struggles when he was forced to go left. Same thing with all Jeju talked about how he likes to go face up and go to his right? So they've taken that away. But San Antonio to me, they're not going to do this. They're not gonna change and shoot a lot more threes. But that's one of the big weaknesses of Denver is giving up a lot of threes and San Antonio has been unable to really exploit that. And now that it seems like Denver has done a slightly better job at least of cutting off the rim at least for jewel penetration. And a lot of that. Joe penetration was coming because they were helping off of white so much and white was able to get right in. If Denver is avoiding giving up those kinds of straight line drives maybe they can contain the Spurs offense a little bit better than they had. Another thing is it seems like Denver got a little bit more conservative with Yokich in pick and roll defence of few white pick and rolls Yokich gut in traffic coteries out on the floor for. Other and he laid back a little bit more force white to take the mid Roger derozen as well. I think they're laying more off of him and their content with him getting into the Madrid. Especially now that they had Tori, Craig on Jerusalem. I think they felt crank and fight over bother him from behind the a little bit more and yet Jerusalem at a decent game with nineteen points on sixteen shooting possessions. But I think that's something that they will live with especially if the you're enabling Yokich to stay closer to the rim. And that's about all I have on this one sweeping pulling some very late nights during these play offs gonna do some rewatching. Sometimes there's multiple games on it at once. And I'll tell you what once I'm done. I'm exhausted. Can't wait to hit the rack with my awesome. Helixsleep traits might not only do I own it. It was made four meet helixsleep as developed mattress that's customized to your specific height weight, sleep preferences. You have the best sleep of your life at an unbeatable price way it works as you. Go to helixsleep dot com. 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The to the conclusion of of this series, the four five in the east, and my general observation is the NFL Pacers could not score against the Boston Celtic day, especially could not score late it. This is a pretty amazing stat for me three of the four games of this. Weep were within five points in the final five minutes at some juncture. Boston's clutch net rating was plus seventy four point four one fifty six offensive rating eighty one point eight defensive rating at Hera thought you're gonna say seventy four point four offensive rating at zero defensive. Written. I felt like that appointed time. I it really did. I mean, how much weight are those? I've tried to think of those three those three threes that they made in the late portion of game to a. Yeah. That stretch that they had at least one or two of those counted. But yeah, I for me game four kind of getting into a little bit though, this is targeted with the broader themes it followed a similar script where the Pacers had enough. You know, they made enough shots. They had some better defensive stretches. Also Boston missing shots to to keep this game close. But then they didn't have the firepower to win close games so sold evocative of their series two years ago. The last gains Paul George played in a piece or uniform against the Cavaliers were they had some games a really close late ended up being a four-game sweep that they lost by total of sixteen points, which is the closest four-game sweep of wasn't quite that close in this series. A especially in game four, but it really was clear that they just head. No where to go with the team. And that's to be expected in part with the vitual depot out. But I do think that they need some kind of an upgrade at point guard in the off season Darren collison, I think is really just not being good enough to postseasons in a row here. Not really guys going to create his own shot shoots. What really well from three but not a versatile enough jump shot. And then defensively is too skinny gets taken advantage of the kept trying to hide him in various iterations. It just couldn't find a place to do it done against couldn't put him on Kyrie put him on a bigger guy at the very least that guy was going to be able to shoot three pointers right over the top of him on a close out so thousand problem but Donovan had a wonderful season this year, but even in the regular season when he became the first option after about a month or so teens really cotton to what he was doing and were able to take away some of the limitations in his game. Doug McDermott had an atrocious series wasn't even playing by game four. I don't know that he made a three pointer in the entire series at an for three year twenty two million dollar contract. That's not what you want for a team that has. Playoff at aspirations. That was one what seemed like my overpay at the time with this defensive limitations to have not even hit a shot in the series. Rough the Bontemps wrote about this today, the idea of miles Turner and democracy bonus plan together that combination did not fare well in these playoffs. Their overall spacing really was not amazing Turner himself had his worst offensive play offs of his career. He's been in the playoffs all four years and even as a rookie. He was able to score better e-. I thought he was very very good defensively in this series, and that perhaps different usage. More players around him not being guarded by someone as good as L Horford for a lot of the time would have helped to allot also. So this is an incomplete Pacers team. Unfortunately, we don't know old depot is going to be back at one hundred percent next year. He actually finally made it to his first game in person since tearing that quad tendon back in January for game four which a wasn't too festive. So both in terms of the offense. The players so many guys are are free agents. As wall with Thaddeus young Donovan, which Carlson Cory Joseph sa- bonus is going to be extension. Eligible lose under that rookie contract for one more year. So they have a lot of decisions to make and it was tough without Ola depot to before to evaluate some of these guys. And I do think a little bit of the way that they have really gotten worked in close games really in the three playoffs that McMillan has been the coach deserves a little bit of scrutiny as well. They don't come out of this looking is as good as they did last year. Yes, they did lose in the first round, but they lost it eventually stern conference champions. And they gave them in my opinion, the best series of any of the teams that Cleveland played in the east McDermott. I wanna give the actual numbers on his series. Played in three games did not play in game. Four total of twenty nine minutes to for ten from the field zero for seven from three. And he was really the guy that they gave a multi year contract to. I mean so Indiana last off season there were very zealous justifiably. So I'm not criticizing purchased for this at all for keeping their flexibility in the twenty. Nineteen off season, which they already had a lot of guys that were going to have contracts expiring, especially when Thaddeus young picked up his picked up his player option. And that's a big disappointment. You know, any money you have on your books, depending on which path they go that isn't particularly useful Pertz a lot more especially for a team that is going that could use a lot more and discipline is turned question. We got a lot more information over the course of this year. But I don't think we got an answer. And I'm I'm fascinated to see I was I think big picture with that. Because I was writing their off-season preview today actually last night and today, and they have some big decisions to make some of dictated by what they want and some of it dictated by the kind of offers that that he is young and bugged on bullion Bogdanovich get as well. So that's their path is is pretty much concluded for this season. But now Boston looks like they're going to get a week off or pretty damn close to it depending on whether the next series starts on Saturday or Sunday. And I'm not completely sure how I feel about where they are. At this moment. It was a one note series. Indeed. Thank Boston condemn cart in a few things. Jayson Tatum at a nice series sixty percent shooting twenty three usage for him. They got good enough play of their bench. Gordon Hayward had a nice game was pretty efficient in the series. As was Jaylen Brown, but both of those guys weren't really being asked to create a ton. They had nice closing performance by Correa though. He was relatively below standard for him in the streets. But Indiana's a very good defensive team at thought miles Turner really caused the a lot of problems for them at the rim. I don't think he were despite the fact that he's been playing better, you know, he's not really trusted to be one of the main engines of the offense they've gotten into a lot of Kyrie that it's pretty much spread evenly between everyone else Tatum has going to the number two guy that haywar did look better getting into linear actually, scored three times in isolation on miles Turner, which nobody else on the team Mench to do. He's started. Getting those slowdown change speeds it in the lane. In throw off the timing the shop locker finishes again, his three ball has looked more confident. But I thought the first quarter of game three really encapsulated them a lot. Just absolutely dominating. Right. Forty one to twenty eight on fire. And then you look at their shut chart, and they're ADA ten from three and the only had three shots at the rim in this forty one point quarter. And so they are so dependent on getting a lot of threes and hitting oughta threes, it's gotten a little better. But not getting to the foul line. Not really getting a lot of shots at the rim finishing a lot of shots at the rim. Kyrie for all his brilliance, and for all the Houdini finishes and the great handles and all that he's not really getting all the way to the rim that often he's not getting the foul line that often he's not getting into areas where he's going to draw help and find wide open shooters all that off. So they don't have even though Kyrie scores. Very well on his own. He's a great offensive player and having him score. Usually at the rate that he does and on the end against it can be very useful. How much he opens up for his teammates is somewhat to. Beatable? So all that is things that we knew about the Celtics. I don't think they really changed my opinion of the much. I guess the one other development you could look out for them in this series as being a big positive is they swept it without Marcus smart. We thought was one of their best players. They still play great defense. Again, not against the team that is really going to stress you out either with their creative offense of system or they're great individual players with Ola depot out. So, but they did manage to stop them. It's better than not sobbing him. Even though it's a it was a limited team. And they got that five man unit going it again closing games, which I think is there five best players when those guys are all going well Brown Hayward, certainly is the most defensive versatility with the exception of when smart is visible. I think I might even consider moving Hayward into the starting lineup and moving Baynes to the bench because I'm not really sure against the bucks, unless you're gonna have Baynes guard Yannis that it really makes tons of sense for him to be out there. Maybe they feel like Baynes can Guardiola's he did it semi. Okay. Last year. But Johnson is even better. And he's got a lot more space, Iran. And him anymore. You want to send the Celtic a little more on the Pacers. But give you the field here for a sec. Yeah. One of the things I wanted to say about the eight minute Mark in the fourth quarter was tied. I think it was ADD. And I kinda saw where this game was going and ended up being largely right? But I started thinking about how I'm incredibly excited for Celtics bucks and the opponent quality shift for both of these teams is going to induce them whiplash. And I'm intrigued because it's hitting both of them at the same time. You know, I would say that the Pacers are meaningfully better than the pistons event, especially because Blake Griffin missed the first two games. But they're both gonna have to take this massive step up. They haven't played ITO superman meaningful games against level. Opponents trying their best in a while. You know, like, that's just the way this works out. The teams were pretty well. You know, Boston is probably those games against Indiana before the playoffs started where they were battling for C that was in the playoff games too. But I wonder how that's going to turn out in. I think it's going to be an important part of that series is going. B whichever team just to that. And can can deal with it. There's only so much preparation you can do for an opponent that is so much stronger and faster and deeper than who you just played for the Pacers a few more staggering numbers ninety two offense rating for the series j Michael there be writer head these that they shot twenty two percent on isolation's for the series. And they got forced into a lot of isolation. When the Celtics were switching they shot. Thirty one percent on jumpers. Twenty eight percent for midrange and overall thirty eight percent in the half court. I in that is just really actually atrocious numbers. And we've seen some of the bad teams in these playoffs. Having like, you know offense of ratings from fifteen years ago and the Pacers were the worst of that group, but still worth noting that the Celtics only had at one zero three point seven offense rating themselves, which is about the level. In fact, that is below the worst team in in the NBA this season, the New York Knicks at one four point. Oh, and that's with a lot of these guys shooting the ball pretty well. By their standards. Because again, they're free throw line interior play. Not really they're they're also hampered by the fact that L Horford was sick for that one game to you know, he he had a rough game was game to. We'll also Boston turn the ball over so much in this series. Yeah. No. And that's another thing. Where Irving is kind of a low turnover player. He's your league guard. The indeed does a great job of forcing turnovers. Like, Thad young is awesome. That category in particular. I thought he had a pretty nice defense a series. And I appreciate the the Pacers battling. But I also preciado the fact that they lost in four in woes a hopeless series that didn't drug things out for us. Any longer a one other thing see my wife this week as result? So thanks Pacers. One other quick thing. I want to mention miles Turner had a great drive in dunk on Gordon Hayward Hayward subsequent with scorn on him. And that was it showed Turner's growth as a driver. And I think there ways that Nate McMillan can use that more and features especially as a more consistent threat from three, you know, the idea if they give him more shots than guys have to close out harder we've seen Brooke. Lopez do that a few times, including a few times in this bucks piston series, but I'm excited to see where Turner's game goes from here. We saw this massive growth on the defensive end. And he still could there's so much on tap potential offensively. So in other series that very easily have been a sweep was Orlando Toronto another series that I think fell into very much what we expected before and accept that. It was Orlando that one the one truly close game in this series, which was gained Wanda on that August three pointer and Toronto has nearly completely controlled it since despite what by all accounts is a pretty good crowd in Orlando. Josh Robbins, a nice piece about you know, how is the atmosphere going to be in the new building? They haven't had a playoff game since twenty twelve and even that team was drawing dead with the Dwight Howard injured that year. So good to see them back in the playoffs. But another sobering. It's three one. But you imagine that Toronto will close it out at in game five another sobering dose of reality for a team that had been the playoffs for a while. Snuck in and was just utterly outclassed. That said I think the magic have they've fought reasonably valiantly in this series. They've looked good for extensive goo good coaching. Their defense has been about as good as you could hope, you know. I mean, they they just don't have anywhere close to the towel required. There's there's a huge Gulf between those top four teams unfortunately with oh deep injury. The Pacers didn't qualify in that. And then and then really everybody else and Orlando has had these real moments in this series. If defended well they've had some moments where they're hot shooting and every once in a while this happens in a series where the game that is in many ways the outlier happens to be game one. And so you sit there for a day and a half and go did I calibrate this series wrong? Like, I thought I never I never thought that for a second. I did a good bit in this series. I watched that game. I saw the magic go. What was it like fifteen at twenty nine from three or or whatever it was or fourteen and twenty nine from three and shoot thirty five percent on Tuesday and not get any good to point looks. Yeah. True. And I and. You know, I saw bet lottery play. The only doubt might have been like, oh, if Lowery just continues to be this bad, but quite letter to care of a of that. And then summit, but I I mean, I thought I actually thought they could slow down the raptors made even more than they did these last three games. But other than just technically slowing them down with pace rather than actual scoring rate. They weren't really able to do that. And it seemed like they had no chance to score against these guys. And that prove it didn't help it other than battling the flu for game three. Collide. Leonard has basically be his is a demon. I mean, he was awesome in this game. And I think Orlando we talked about it. I brought this up after game one that I thought Orlando has a pretty intriguing group of guys to try to slow him down. And it does not appear at this moment. Like there really is slowing down Leonard thirty four points on twelve of twenty from the field eight or nine from the line as well and had some really really nice defensive place. You know to me watching him like in man-to-man, he isn't I have. I'm not seeing the same guy that was the defensive player of the year. One of the most. Valuable defensive players in the entire league pre injury. But still an incredibly talented defender rebounder steel guide deflector blush. I had a couple of really nice blocks in this game. And so maybe he's not that same person at least for right now. But he's still insanely valuable defensively. And then when you combine that with PASCAL Siaka who is versatile and doing a really good job Marcus has just been living in the passing lanes deflecting, so many balls in this series, and you've been banging the drum for a little while. Now, the Toronto might have the highest defensive ceiling in the league we've seen some serious signs of that in this series, albeit against the team the Toronto can look very good defending against core. Leonard sixty three percent shooting. Thirty three percent usage. Twenty one point three net rating in the series in thirty five minutes per game MVP level of performance not turning the ball over either Pasquale Siaka. He's been awesome as well. We've gotten really excellent contributions from pretty much everyone. Other than The Danny green hasn't shut it quite as well as expected Marca soul, except when he was in trouble and had some hilarious reactions to being involved. Trouble in game three. He's been awesome. He totally shut down which Serge Ibaka. It might be one of the better backup centers in the NBA right now as well. And it's really just been a very impressive performance in these two games in Orlando for them sold particularly wanted just give credit to just how good his hands are for a seven footer on defense like how many steals and deflections? He gets a and then you mentioned how good he was in this game. I mean, I think probably at least seven or eight of his buckets were right at the rim, and because really for the first time in his career. We're seeing this now him playing with Baca playing with Gasol. And we carved for years in San Antonio about how man if they just played him at the forest. They just had some more spacing if they weren't playing him with two bigs all the time they weren't planning in with. Tony Parker who you know, can only hit a mid-range jumper like how good. This guy be and we're seeing now I mean, he was all obviously awesome in Santoni. But he really is able to physically overwhelm nearly anyone who's trying to guard port west of windy just gets put in the goal every time and even someone like Aaron Gordon who's really power for you. Leonard is able to abuse him. If he gets out in transition he's able to go through whatever little guards are back. He's not worrying about getting stripped because he's just got those absolute meat hook hands that you're not taking it away from him. And then if he needs to can get to mid ranger he can shoot three's off the dribble. It's a very very complete performance. I mean, and he's looked every bit. You know, if not the best player in the Eastern Conference playoffs, so far I guess pretty decent individual defenders. He is one beats Janas one eight at this point. It is not the reason Orlando lost this game. But I do think that Jonathan Isaac first-half foul. Trouble made a meaningful difference. They had to go to some of these really unusual lamps. They actually dusted off Terrell Martin who had a three to the crowds Intel. Pence delight. But he's he's just not a player. Good enough to be in this series. And no shame Manatt. There aren't a lot of players that are good enough to to be in this series against the Toronto. Raptors so Isaac. He also has a lot of room to grow a lot of a lot of improvement as necessary on the offensive end being able to hit a wide open. Three would be a start though. I mean he was killing their offense. And they went to Ross they couldn't affect. Yeah. Bras, talented score. Even though he only hit one one shot from the field in this game. There was one that. I just drove me completely crazy. It was norm Powell drove off of the he drove from the three point line on the on the far side. Turn throws his standing underneath the basket. Norm Powell is basically driving Streep for him. Pretty he had a little bit of move to get past his guy and Terrence Ross just stands there. And let's finish sitting there going come on, man. Like, you're physically talented DARREN'S Ross, you know, it's not necessarily apply to athleticism to defensive in. But you have to be better than that. And really for Terrence Rossi's, you know, pending free agent this year had put up some. Offensive numbers this year, but the difference between starter money and nonstarter money. I think is this could end up being a very significant year for that discrepancy, depending on you know, it only ever takes one team, but it might be harder to find that one team. And it's the defensive end that's costing him that starting role. Yeah. I mean, it's just a lot of guys. Just don't have the mentality. They just looked themselves. Be knocked out of the way. They don't come to it with any kind of force or physicality move. You look at turns Ross he doesn't look any different than any other shooting card. Does does he looked that different than like Danny green for body standpoint? But Danny green is really tough and turns Ross's and. Yeah. And so I think we're learning a lot to the clippers series is another example just man guys who real good players on the regular season stalwarts for their teams guys who can get guys in the playoffs. Even in the case, Nicole vuckovich and all star level a player and going against a top four playoff team top four seed in a conference. They just can't get. I mean, it's it's just such a different. Level of competition when you're really locked in on a guy like food, which who is very talented. He carried this entire offense this year, and when they're really locked in on the pet plays to get him going if he can't bully his band in the post, which he can't do to Marcus oil if he can't get open pick and pop shots. He's he's gotten a few, but he has been able to make it just a completely different animal against some of these some of these best teams deserving all star albeit in the east, and there are still many many centers without weaknesses who would be better. But he's just the best. I got you know, and the series was sadly for him because his first time in the playoffs. Maybe it's a wake up call for him in the organization that even you know as good as he has been this year. And maybe they're going to bring him back and on big money. Twenty three percent usage forty six percent shooting and a lot more turnovers unusual. The one thing that Orlando has done wellness get to the fallen. They actually had this massive foul differential that normalized a loop at in this last game. But I think that just seemed like kind of an anomaly. The magic we're one of the lowest freezer teams in the NBA this season. So game five will keep an eye on this series, certainly seems over. But there are a lot of guys on this magic team who, you know. I mean, August in is another one of those guys, right? I mean, you remember he got it going game one. And then basically just couldn't get a shot off the rest of the series. He ended up seventeen percent USA Jay shot at really well base. Especially in that game. He had twenty five points of but he actually ended up with the worst net. Renting among the magic time minute guys negative nineteen point seven and just didn't have the size of it was very similar to back in twenty fourteen when he was playing for the bulls. He had a good game right at the start of the series than watch it but Trevor REEs on him and that was it for him in the series. So whether it's is it who really needs to improve his jump shot at improves his off the dribble game get stronger. Aaron Gordon who actually probably did have a producer easy hit at sixteen point third quarter tonight at didn't hitting a bunch of contested long twos. But those I if he can add that Jews giving that's at least shot they can get off in the playoffs. Whether it's Ross is going. Be free agent four nine another guy who you know, really had had a bad series. And it's kinda limited defensively, and, you know, not really gonna get by anybody on the offensive in every person on this roster with the exception may be Gordon has a major weakness. And some of those guys can improve it some of those guys never gonna be able to improve it. But the question of yet we made the playoffs. Otit? Do we have a long way to go? You know is one that's gonna come up pretty often in these discussion it will a couple other points one while you're right that he had a rough series. I was very happy to see if informed a have a better game four he was awful in game three one of twelve from the field. And just you know, if he had been a little bit better. Maybe that game could have been more competitive, but on a larger scale note, I'm so damn happy that Marcus oil is on a playoff team this year. He has been awesome in this series. I'm really excited to see what he can do in the next round, assuming Sumitomo makes it which which they will at some point. I think it's more a matter of when rather than if and it's looking like it'll be another tantalizing matchup from Arkansas. And it's a reminder that. You talked about how hard it is. You know, once these players get into that culture, and especially the ones who've never been in before of this happens. I mean, we've talked about it with LeBron James this year of the players who are good enough to be in that. But are stuck on teams where they do not get that opportunity, especially if it's for multiple years or for the foreseeable future. So the magic despite this early exit aren't necessarily going to have some cap space this off season. But if you want to maybe create all extra cap space for yourself, consolidate your debt or pay off your credit cards with London club to get one fixed monthly payment. If you're just paying the minimum on your credit card. You could be paying it off for decades since two thousand seven lending club has helped millions of people regain control of their finances. With affordable fixed rate, personal loans note trips to a Bank hydros credit cards. Good lending club dot com slash cap space, tell them how much do you wanna borrow picked terms that are right for you. 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There's a critical stretch where they had their best guys on the floor and gold state head Klay Thompson and a bunch of role players. Golden State actually extended that lead and Thomson was outstanding played forty minutes with thirty two point six of nine from downtown twelve of twenty in total. I thought overall. To clippers played well in this game shea Gill jus- Alexander had a really strong performance or especially early on twenty five points nine fifteen from the field was getting his spots. And also had some really nice finishes at this. Beautiful. Righty finished Pastori mongering that I really liked and his composure in this game. Particular was great, you know, other than Gallo who really did struggle in in a lot of this game. I thought that they competed. They executed some things pretty well. In defense and Depp part that you brought up in the fourth was also notable because in the first half due to Stephan. Curry's foul trouble. They were not going with that second unit and the the warriors current theory of the bench that lineup with Sears, which can be without Durant in curry is defend as well as humanly possible and try to score enough to stay even or close to it. And in that fourth quarter day outscored the clippers seven to four before drink came in. I think it were even until curry check back in. That's a pretty big win against teams. It's an even bigger one against the clippers because they have two of their best players. Coming off the bench. Kevin durant? I think this was game. In in some ways was a little bit of a preview for the next round. Because in the third quarter. The offense started bogging down. And so they just did the, hey, Kevin just go get buckets. However, you see fit and he did pretty well. He got got seven points in that quarter with nobody else could hit a shot, and they weren't they weren't defending super well that quarter as well. And then you brought up playing forty minutes the other huge part for him twenty-seven first-half points. Absolutely. You know, it started out. They were doing some of the attacking mismatches bully ball type stuff with clay. And then he started getting open from three started drilling shots, and that was all setup by the clippers by Doc Rivers, making a change and starting Jamaica green, which I thought was really inspired choice and root out reasonably well. Even though they didn't win this game. Frankly, Kerr polishes started looney agree group Bogan ended up falling out, and he struggled in a lineup that head five three point shooters in it and some of the clippers the best votes bogut was negative eleven. Came at the beginning of the first and the beginning of the third when he was really trying to get on the perimeter. And couldn't really do it that. Well, I thought that was pretty good adjustment. The they were doing a ton of switching they really got away from the top locking strategy and did more switching that's part of what putting green in. There was supposed to facilitate and they didn't have anyone under six five in their starting lineup and inevitably one who is a slow center. So it worked with that group. When you gotta go with Lou will it gets a little bit worse. Gallo had a miserable night at five hundred twenty. We could talk about him a little bit more later. Lou really struggled as well. He he bist some pretty decent. Looks at jumpers early in the fourth that could kept them in a little bit more that stretch that we talked about earlier, and Shay was awesome. Although he didn't really score in the last like eighteen minutes or so of the game after putting up twenty five early. I was encouraged at the number three pointers that he took over all in this series. A thought he was aggressive from there. He took six three pointers tonight making four of them and over that the clippers got up a lot of threes. And they shut it. Well from three over forty percent, but they couldn't make anything at the rim in a few those were just bad finishes, especially in the third like Beverly missed a finger. Roll Gallo missed the easy layup, but I thought that green and to a lesser extent bogut in looney were really really good defending the rim holding the clippers fifteen of thirty three forty six percents at the rim and green was actually a what I highlighted in my brief segment where I get to put together some highlights for my appearance on ABC's sports the bay area after the game today. But. He was just all of the place that there's this one play where he switches onto champagne on the burner of great shooter forty percent three point shooter enters it in the post to green against the mismatch to Michael Green. And this is from the wing and he's guarding a forty percent three point shooter. Jamaica green tries to turn over his right shoulder makes pretty quick move and dream on just sprint in from the three point line and blocks his shot at just caroms off. Only the backboard, I just like the kind of play that just know even thinks to make really where he's just like, I know this guy. He's got the mismatch. He's just gonna shoot it. I don't have to worry about in passing in this guy. No hugger to three point jittery is anxious goes and gets it like, it's just a great read. And the combination he has of intelligence ability to cover ground in a short area, and then still protect the rim pre. Well, he's fallen off a little bit there. But not that much is impressive, and your colleague Marcus Thompson at the athletic wrote a pizza about how he's lost all this weight. And I really see it in his game to you. I absolutely do. And yeah, he he's moving better defensively, and we also some of Draymond attacking the Basque. It wasn't. It wasn't as prevalent in game four is it wasn't game three. But I still think he's looking better as an attacker as well. Also, I think I think significant take away from the last couple of games of the series is that the warriors benches doing well Kvant looney has played has had strong series. This wasn't his best scoring outing. He's strangely. Ben really effective as a score in the series. But Igwe dolla kind of tying his minutes was Lou Williams. I think that is worked out well and McKinney. This was the best game. He's played in a while. You know, the buck scores that's weren't necessarily there. But I thought his defensive rotations were better. And he's about to be put in the pressure cooker. So having a good game about a week before the probable rocket series starts is important, and I think with dollar he had this massive Duncan may one of the best dog he's had in a while on a nice back door. So really the warriors the green his ability now attacking off the dribble attacking in the post. He's gotten a couple of post buckets against the kind of these smaller guys like Beverly or or Lou Williams that's been important. I think is. Well for them when they went to the death line to have that is one more option. What if you throw it in the posted when they switch everything everyone's worried about the shooter's you can just been by guys for lamp and actually make that lay up. So I think actually the way that dream bond is played on both ends. It's probably been the biggest harbinger for what's happen with the words, and they played really well defensively for most of the series the clippers been right around appoint possession. They've had some little scoring Jags and obviously that huge second-half engaged to. But aside from that is this a very good clippers offense has been relatively limited. Goulden said also hit the offense of glass, which will be big in their shoes against Houston. That's a weakness for Houston and shut off the offensive glass. Only ten percent offense rebounds for the clippers in this one. Doc also changed up to get jerem Robinsons of time. He had some moments in the second quarter for a little bit there, but not much static. They've had a valiant effort just another team of players Gallo is one of them. Right. I mean, he generally has been a little bit too slow in the series. He hasn't been explosive. Finish at the rim. Another guy who really depends on getting to the foul line baiting guys into the air for fouls. When teams really locked in. That's going to be less effective. Does I playoffs actually since twenty twelve for Gallo because he was injured in two thousand thirteen when he was a teammate of big dollars with tornadoes L. So it's been awhile for him in the playoffs integrate refugees Lou Williams, great regular season, but he's basically had one really good game in this series. Aunt has been a massive defensive liability for a lot of the series. Also, well, speaking of defensive liabilities. I thought that an intriguing and good adjustment. While you mentioned the clipper switched a lot. Their base alignment had gallon Ari on Andrew bogut. And I thought that made a lot of sense because gala Nari doesn't move particularly well in space, and so you just put him on bogut. And I thought it it masks some of his deficiencies on the defensive end now that is more of a playoff gimmick type thing. But I thought it worked reasonably well. Also wanted just give some credit to how will Gert temple is played defensively in this series. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for doing. So on both clay and stuff. Stuff and really remarkable that he was available essentially for free. He ju- Michael Green to celebration players were available essentially for free when they're plenty of other contenders. That if they could maybe even ponied up like a second rounder an expiring contract or something. Philadelphia's potentially could have had those guys also worth noting that Golden State was turning it over like crazy that was fueling that clippers run in the early part of the third quarter. And then when they stopped tearing it over the became unstoppable again. I mean, that's a big part of the story for them when they don't turn it over there. Score a crapload of point. So if they can just simply avoid doing that during good shape. I let's turn to okay, see Portland now. Okay. See righted the ship momentarily in game three all those missed three-pointers when they made a grant of ten through the first two games we're going in and even in game four they're going in as well. David Lord was able to keep it close with a crazy twenty five point third quarter in game three, but okay, see controlled that one largely throughout and so it came down to game four, and I predicted that the sues. It's going to go seven I thought. Okay. Sued win both games at home. And they did not how come some of it for sure can be credited to Oklahoma City missing shots. But I've been impressed. Overall did shut over forty percent from three. I'm I'm talking broadly about the series. But I think Portland's defense has been better than I anticipated. I mean beyond NS Kiner starting in thinking that there will be some ways to attack him there. They've competed defensively they've made shots harder and broadly speaking, I mean, I think that other, you know, Georgia's certainly had some some big performances he dropped twenty two, but that was on seventeen seventeen free throws in game three like that was the big part of him there. And then in today's game he had thirty two eight of twenty one from the field twelve fourteen from the line. But when you look at really the rest of the guys Portland has been making their shots harder. They forced fourteen turnovers in game. So they won the possession battle. And they also won the possession battle on the boards. They had more offensive rebounds than the thunder did. And they've Portland has really been better overall defensively now, Oklahoma City is a. Different type of team to defend than most. But I think Portland has done well there, and then they've gotten performances in this one. I thought it was Lillard and CJ, of course. But also me new had some big moments. They've gotten enough from those guys to make through cleanly. I took it what you said about Portland. A lot of guys in the team have been better than I thought the number of guys for Portland who you just think of as total defensive wolf flowers like noling? Did they hold up they made place like it's cantor had a massive block on Russell Westbrook. CJ McCollum had a massive block in the two on one. Paul George went back down the other way and hit the icing three pointer. Rodney hood had a couple of deflection cancer had the another steel. I mean, they really eight block shots mohawk. Who does make more plays had three blocks offering commute was awesome shooting the three as well. As Portland was even better than okay. See was from downtown in this one. So yeah, I was really impressed with what Boylan was able to do defensively. But also a big part of that was. Was Paul George mean, you mentioned he had the thirty two points, but twelve or fourteen from the foul line. A lot of those were the on driving to the rib, and I feel some contact. I'm gonna throw it up and get the foul. He actually was four of ten from three in this. Once he was awful. But some of those were kind of desperate three pointers they but he did not have a dominant game in this one. I think that's that was pretty clear he hasn't had dominant game in this series. And he was having dominant gains when the team was at three PECS. Whether it's the shoulder. Whether it's the fact that for a couple of months, he was way over his head shooting the ball, whatever you want to account for and even defensively, you know, Hugh Hughes has the primary matchup on C J McCollum and CJ twenty seven points and was quite efficient in this game. He he was not really able to shut McCollum doubt Makoma at an awesome game on both ends. So that was an issue. And then Russell Westbrook. Yeah. That's where I wanna atrocious Westbrook. He only got to the free throw line for four for four tenths in this game. He took twenty one shots. A whopping three of those. Twenty-one shots were in the paint and two of them got blocked. Yeah. Two of got blocked. He was three of eleven for mid range two of seven from three. And it was a reminder of his limitations. Sure, he had seven assists, also three turnovers, but Westbrook in less. He's getting downhill in transition, and he and he had some really nice moments at you know, you had some strong moments in game three to be sure. And also in pockets of games one and two, but when you get into a playoff series and the other team is putting the ball in the basket a little bit more often. And they they're getting back in transition defense. Hopefully, they have a plan for you. Some of those strengths are merging allies and some of the weaknesses come to the fore and even his like really good game last game. He shot fifty percent. And he's not really capable with the way. He plays of having a game where he shoot sixty five percent. His his really good games are gonna be visited percent, then it's really bad game. So he's gonna shoot twenty five percents. Like, he did it in this one. And all that said Oklahoma City was doing just fine in this game yo-yoing back and forth. Paul George gets his third foul on schussed in atrocious. Call it was so bad a charge call. Seth curry sets up a tradition to take the charge George steps around him with the euro step and so- curry both slides to his right, and even then was not enough to make contact. So he sticks. His right forearm out to basically like expand the size of his body. George runs into his forearm. And then gets called for the offense. Afoul. Billy Donovan sent him to the bench with his third ball candidate guests how many files he ended up with any. I'm going to guess he fouled out with six. No, no. He finished with three calls, and it looked like that was okay for a while. And perhaps Billy would have brought him in even seem like things were about to go out, the real, and okay, see was still doing just fine until just at the very end of the quarter, a devastating eleven run by Portland, which grew to sixteen zero at the start of the third and that run happened in me, of course, of about two minutes or so and that was really kind of the bulk game. Okay. Seek out back think within four right at the start of the third and then Portland controlled it thrust the way they got within seven very late within the last two minutes. But then they missed another wide open three Ferguson. And then they followed heartless on a loose ball hit a couple of free throws. And then the game was really over the Portland led by as much as sixteen Portland one despite shooting nine out of twenty seven at the rim. It was the three pointer and fifteen thirty five forty two percent. And then ninety six percent twenty two hundred twenty three from the foul line which. Was massive. And they just shot the ball really, well and amino Lillard McCollum combined for thirteen three-pointers just in their starting lineup. And you know, I thought me new hit some just enormous shots when he has going from three. I mean this Portland offense. So really good off. And they are the were the number four offense in the NBA this season and yet nurture prize a little bit better than cancer. But can't still provide a lot. He was plus sixteen a great series. Even despite being only to afford did not get taken advantage of defensively. Sack. Collins gave him a so nice minutes with ten points. Just a really impressive performance and for okay? See in their down three one CJ seem really happy is talking a little bit about how are not going to give chance to go. See my brother Eric play in Europe. But this is one where I'm not quite buying the three one, you know, it's over it's over yet. I mean, this is the four or five series at did think these teams are pretty evenly matched going in. So it's possible to me that okay? See could win that game. Five in Portland in Portland doesn't lock in. We'll see whether an o'casey. Won a game five done three one though they were at home and that did take twenty five point comeback in the second half to do it a year ago against the Jasim. You remember that that series went to game six, and it was very close at the end. But in that game six and there's the controversial no call on PG with that three pointer. But you know, you occas you probably just lost that series and five and it looks like that's what's going to happen to them again. And there's gotta be if that is indeed what happens. We'll talk more about this in their off-season preview, of course. But there's gotta be a lot of soul-searching in. Okay. See Stephen Adams, really struggled in this one. He didn't even close the game. He looked like he got a blow to the chest 'em. They changed their pick and roll coverage towards the end the game three. It looked like when he was in the game actually half in late backwards. They really did not do much of at all. And I'm not sure whether that was because Adams had something wrong. And it was kinda limited physically, you know. He had a shoulder injury. I think it was in that box gamy kind of tweak things that last day the season or just was that mobile or was that effective or what? But negative twenty one six. Pointedly one offensive rebound. Okay. See a great offense. Rebound Emily at six for the game annual. He was even out there late. I mean, this is their their guy who's they're paying basically max money to any couldn't even be on the floor at the end of the game for them something else. I wanted to mention I'm wondering if assuming Portland makes it to the next round. And I grew with you that is less certain senators for some of the other teams that are up three one how his idea of playing five bench guys together is going to work out. They went to this lineup of curry hood Turner Meyers Leonard Zach Collins, and I'm just sitting there going. What is like what what what is this lineup supposed to do? And they had a couple of couple of not Zauq unless as much as possible and. Yeah. And just hold the fort for a couple of minutes until CJ can get back. I mean, that's that's he knows that. It's her. Yeah. He he does. And I thought okay see didn't really take in this game. At least didn't really take advantage of it enough. They had to wind up out there. That was not much more inspiring with Felton shooter Morris. No, Alan, I'm trying to remember who the islands. It was during that period that George picked up that fateful third vault. That's right. Would Seth when Seth leaned over. And so I wonder if they face and then presumably if they face a team with a better a deeper roster in the next round if if he tries to go to that and they just get smoked in a game or two but Portland starters played. So well in this one on I wrote a piece about this for the thank about the courage rant stagger. But the whole idea of it was there is a theory behind the concept of your main guys are so good together that you can sacrifice being worse without them on the floor. And that probably is a part of the argument for Terry Stotts, a lot of times those line if you want to slow it down and grind it out a little bit more. But I just sitting there going, oh, man. This group could get smoked by a really good team. Couple other notes on this one. We have seen some more effort from catcher he has his play where Paul George came off screen, and he just switched out of in the corner and who didn't like lock him down. But he forced him to take a contested missed three. I thought that done the end when okay see went to the desperate. Jeremy granted Senator switch everything lineup. That Portland strategy was pretty bad. We see it close down the end. And they go to that same group either Dame or CJ had Schreuder autumn. And either of those guys has such a massive strengthened Vange again shooter just not a good individual defender that they could just get to whatever spot they want on him and rise up, especially CJ. And instead they're running pick and roll to get the ice on grant in what crazy world would you rather have grant as the guy you're trying to get by then Dennis shooter? I mean shooter is especially just every time. They tried him in it. I thought they've just put them in this series. So especially when you're trying to run the time down, you're not as worried if there's help behind because you just want to get to a spot. Take a jumper up to your run. Twenty three seconds off the clock didn't really care for that strategy, a Nerlens Noel gives them some intriguing play at times, but still makes a mistake. And also he's just so painfully that I mean, Alfred Camino who if you compare his body now to where he was at the start of his career. He's done exactly like a weight room warrior, just. Went like right through him for versus just like pump fake knocked him backwards and just went up for a layup. I mean, you know, Alfred communities six eight like if you're this great shot blocking center, you shouldn't be able to just get knocked backwards like that. But I think the lack of strength is really limited new career. And I think that's all I got on the series. I'm not sure where okay see goes from here. What you do to get Westbrook going. He stopped taking the jumper in the second half. But he's still finished a over seven even with a more judicious shot selection. He was two or three on threes in the first half over four in the second half. Some of those were desperation tries late only seven assists for him as well. I'm just not sure what else you can do to get him going like he's not that subtle of a player. They tried posting up on Dane that hasn't worked at all. They don't really have any like good. She or maybe maybe what they could try and do is dust off Patrick Patterson. And maybe try to go to some more like switching intensifies. But I think Patterson is probably too slow at this point in his career and the obviously he's really disappointed in okay? I thought the granted center unit and the switching I mean, that's probably something. They should try to go back to at least a little bit of Dame gets cooking. But I don't know how tenable that is overall a grants has been a better shooter, and he shot at well in these two games in o'casey who's three or five tonight from three. So maybe you feel like, hey, we can space the floor enough to get going. We'll switch defensively. But I mean, that's so far away from sees core philosophy, and sometimes you get you just go there when you're desperate in series may we'll see more of that. But new appalled Georgia, and Russell Westbrook are just gonna get out played by Damon DJ, which I thought they were again tonight and the fit if not the quality of Portland's role players disappeared to me, then there's like two Westbrook and Georgia got play better. I don't think there's much of a panacea other than that. No real arguments. Here we've got a little bit of news to get to very quickly Sean marks entered the referees locker room after game four. Now, that's the real homecourt event. You know, exactly where that locker room is when you're going to run in there and complain to the referees. The and get fine. Apparently it was. Not about the Tobias Harris hold on Jared Allen that we talked about earlier in the program that prevented him from rolling to the rim, which the NBA's last two minute report that came out on Sunday said was a file inch and should have been called. But it was more about the Embiid. Neither of his two plays being called as flagrant twos. I think both of them were flagrant wants even the elbow to me. It was reckless. But I don't think he knew that journal was guaranteed to be there. I think you just made that's been moving. He had his elbows up, and you know, he wasn't sure whether Allen was gonna come off or not. So I think the right call is made in both those places, but marks then presumably owes him or someone in the organization who leaked towards what his intention was which was how the franchises determined to support the way that they are competing in the series. But he'll be suspended for game five and docked one games pay which no how that works exactly for general managers and fined twenty five thousand dollars and then in Minnesota we talked about how Michael winger was a candidate there. He is informed the wolves that he intends to stay with the. Clippers to continue the work. He has done there. Certainly they have some big free agent aspirations and while there's conflicting reporting on this John gruden's. He did say that whoever they bring in as the president basketball operations would be able to decide on Laden and Saunders. I'm guessing number one. That Glenn Taylor will be more disposed to a candidate. Who says he wants to keep those guys and number two would set also that they were at one point finalizing plans to keep both of them. So it seems like at least that's Taylor's preference. If not a mandate Gerson row SaaS perpetual candidate Calvin booth who I know a little bit. I actually met him back in twenty twelve when I had just a blog and the only place that would credential me was the euro camp in Italy. And he was just there basically as an independent just scouting and trying to find a job back at that time, and he's really risen up. Thanks to Minnesota. Then moved over to Denver is gotten rave reviews there. So he apparently could be a candidate back in Minnesota has a touchtone with the organization as well. And then Chauncey Billips also another guy. Who was in Minnesota. And they ended up letting him go much to their detriment. Imagine how good they could have been if they just kept him and he developed the same way that he did it in Detroit. But he's also is going to be a candidate. But you know, winger to me is probably the most exciting of those candidates at any is no longer in the run. And I think that's all we got anything else. You wanna talk about forego? We'll show I'll mention briefly because I'm not sure we got to before that the Durant engine. Michael Green technicals dad, dad double tees in game two or no those game three eight those got rescinded so drain his back down to two for the playoffs because they get two separate ones with Patrick Beverley in the game. They both got ejected from. And I I have my off season preview series for the athletic is going strong because so many teams are getting eliminated so quickly. So I gotta start our own off season. Right. Pretty great. So like this weekend. I'm watching the games 'cause my kind of stated practices the day after a team gets their third loss. I wanna have a draft in and under sitting there looking at the list and going oh God. Six pieces that I either have to write or have already. Fortunately, some of them at Ardy written. And so, yeah, I don't know exactly what were their coming out. But I'm loading them up in the athletic editorial staff is is knocking them down. Which is great. But I so I don't know the exact order, but there are going to be a lot of those coming out this week 'cause we're gonna see we already solved one of the nation. We're going to see probably another six to seven more by the weekend and the plan for tomorrow not a ton of intrigue in those two three oh series. So instead opened a have my buddy day do four on met at SBC Beckett. In twenty sixteen been a nice career for himself now working with the counting crew among other places. So he's be able probably talk about the playoffs a little bit more generally tomorrow. Some of the trends were seeing biggest to support moments. Most surprising coaching coaching adjustments that we've really liked instead of doing those games tomorrow. If anything incredibly important happens, Danny, and I will, of course, talk about it. But a tentative plan is no gamer for tomorrow night. And then Tuesday. Is going to be ridiculous. There's going to be four games on Tuesday. They'll thankfully, some of them are cut in close out five one or five game series. But I really excited about San Antonio Denver in particular on Tuesday night so gala contact combing for you, and this has been a long episodes. So I'm gonna stop talking right now.

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The Im Kevin Durant Edition

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The Im Kevin Durant Edition

"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hi, this is Josh Levin. And this is sports podcast. Hang up and listen for the week of April twenty second two thousand eighteen on this week show slates Nick green. Join us to talk about NBA playoff beef. We've got Ben Simmons versus Jared Dudley. Kevin Durant versus Patrick Beverley, everyone's favorite Russell Westbrook versus earth. ESPN's Gregoire Shinsegi will also be here to discuss the bloodbath and the NF H L playoffs, but the metaphorical one and the one that you get when Alex vetch can punches a guy finally Sports Illustrated writer and two time jeopardy champ. Jack Dickey will help us assess the man the machine the moneymaker James hold our who smashing game show records at a furious pace here with me in our Washington DC studio with my co-host Stephan fats, s authored books word freak and a few seconds of panic. Hello stephan. Josh you've never tried to go on jeopardy. Right. Have nots. Now, I think maybe I did try to get on the high school ornament the teen tournament and a girl from my high school got on. Yeah. Not me. I tried to get on to the millionaire. I never got past the telephone dialing phase. Could they tell that you were just annoying on on television? But is that what they screen for let us what they screened for. Yeah. Or trivia knowledge when one or the other one or the other? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Josh, you have a book coming out. Yes. Still the way it's called the Queen. Thank you. We just let's go. Overcome the awkwardness of my entry the show. And then you having to talk about my book, we'll figure it out. We've got a few marshes to go. I could just do the introduction in that way. It would seamlessly go into me plugging the book, I like that. I like that next week. We'll try the cover does not have the subtitle on the book. This is interesting for people who like book covers not interesting for people who don't like covers. Yeah. I like the I endorse. So Josh or his marketing people are book designers. Maybe you could tell us. This will be a great story for when you go on tour decided to go with like hunk of text on the cover. Yeah. That's what it's called the text hunk. It's called text hunk technical term rather than the subject, but the subtitle is on the title page of the book. It's true. Yeah. I think that pretty much covers. Much more than. Decision. All right. So here's the real explanation for the text hunk text chunk. It's actually called the text crawl in the parlance of publishing so what it says in the nineteen seventies. Linda Taylor became a for wearing Cadillac driving symbol of the undeserving poor. But the original welfare Queen was demonized for the least of her crimes Taylor was a con artist. Kidnapper maybe even a murderer never before told story of a singular American character lost in the rush to create a vicious stereotype that accomplishes two things number one kind of enticing. But I think you need to change your your intonation when you say, maybe even emerge. I'll do that the next time thing, but also explains a book where the topic is a little bit unclear when he does look at like the cover the Queen picture of this woman at is a draw, and it's also a little bit of a back. Story helps move some copies like it. Thank you bullshit. And very often do not convey this conveys the up, but it's not the subtitle. The subtitle. You have one it's on the title page subtitle getting a little bit short drift it, I think that's okay. I like to think of it more as the crawl getting elevated than the the subtitle getting shifted. Here's to the crawl. Here's to the crawl. What would happen if baseball outlawed the shift will out getting transformed pitching strategy the way moneyball reshaped offense. Find out on counterpoint. S- the sports analytics podcast from MIT Sloan management review here. Top experts in the field engage in a lively and sometimes controversial conversation about what's really happening. Both on the field and off subscribe to counter points wherever you get your podcasts. The first round of the NBA playoffs is proceeding as the first round of the NBA playoffs. Typically does with no upsets really in the offing nuggets. Spurs is close that one could go either way. But otherwise guy, you're warriors. There's a little blip, but they're up three two one the clippers the now really much drama going on there, the bucks or rampaging through the pistons Celtics beat the Pacers. It's cetera. So what do we have and the NBA playoffs when we don't have on court drama Stephan. We have psycho-drama beef. We have beefs we have so much so much be going on and here to assess the gradations of these babes is slates sports. Correspondent Nick green. Welcome nick. Hi, guys. How's it going? And Nick just got a deal to write a book about basketball. So. So we get more of an authority than he was the last the last time it was a transcript of this conversation is going directly into the buck. So don't don't stammer at all. Nick easiest way to do. It. Let's start with Kevin Durant and Patrick Beverley, which is kind of. A unusual beef in that it seems grounded based on mutual respect, which is less fun. But see it's like organic beef. I don't know like impossible burger, it's not really beef. But we can pretend. So this was a more interesting beef in the first two games of the series, the clippers came back from thirty one down in game two, which was bizarre an unexpected. The the warriors have gotten things back on common and familiar ground by winning the next two games. But let's listen to what Durant had to say. After game two. It's a little bit hard here in the beginning. But he describes Patrick Beverley as a pest. But I get the ball of us bus pest Patrick Beverley up on the knees, me, definitely shoot. Over the top school. Every time a one on one situation got his in and help. And we got another guy that's sitting on the way from you to dribble. The basketball the basketball on the floor. I you know, I could probably make forty three percent my shotgun shooting like that. But that's not really going to do nothing for us at with the outcome of the game. You know, 'cause we got a nice floor by touching route everybody shootings going. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get away the game because you know, I wanna have a little. Back and forth with Patrick Beverley. I'm Kevin Durant. You cut it off before he says, you know, who I am. I wanted to let you do that part. What what is the best part of that monologue neck that these specificity of forty-three percent? Yeah. And I think that's probably correct. And or the next game. He basically just did that shot over Beverly we had the ball. And I think he what far higher than forty three percent. So maybe he was kind of under selling his ability could be some game and ship there. But yet it's clearly someone who sees the game in a way that is remarkably clear and slow for him. Whereas Beverly tries he might try to speed that up and make things muddied and confusing drank. But that's obviously not happening didn't happen. Which is kind of why it's not that great of beef baby. So I would disagree. I think it's actually entertaining beef because of it's more like a little Abbott and Costello beef because the size disparity between these two guys is so weird, you know, Beverley guarding someone that's what seven eight inches taller than. Durant's like seven feet in Beverly six one or something one. Yes. Six one. I thought it was like six three also getting and he's getting low and he's like poking him, and he's exaggerating mimicking Durant flopping. I mean, this is fun beef because he's down around his ankles, like a little brother big brother kind of beef. And I enjoy that and to ramp being Durant response to that. There's another clip I think it was from the same interview where he said, you know, when you put that out there on the court against me, then the rest are going to give them a little bit more. So when he runs up on me like a pit bull grabbing me holding the I don't mind it. That's how he makes his money. That's how he feeds his family. And it should be noted though that the terms passed in pit bull really can't be considered insults because Doc Rivers the clippers head coach calls his own. Team cockroaches in a you know, kind of complementary way so pest and pit bull are kind of upgrades from cockroach, I would say, and it's really disingenuous. Durant say that. No dig deal, I mean Durant teed up will they both got ojected from. We should've mentioned there has been some testy moments. But the thing that I've that that is interesting to me as why would there be mutual respect here. When there is an other cases, we'll get to other cases and a second. But Beverly is annoying. I think Beverly intends to be annoying. He wouldn't be surprised I think its success for him to be considered annoying. He injured Russell Westbrook's knee that time by when Westbrook was going to call a time out. He doesn't ran him over he somebody who is not beloved by certain other players in the league. Do you think I think honestly neck? It's what Durant says at the end of that clip that we. Played he's Kevin Durant. And he. I kind of enjoys this particular challenge or feels like he is somebody who's always so much inside his own head. I think within the playoffs. Maybe he feels like he needs this or wants this and you can kind of see him smiling. Sometimes when Beverly is like, you know, biting his ankles. Yeah. It's a good tuneup for sure I think it's probably good that they had a tough opponent. So I can't sleep walk through the first round is, you know, the warriors have been able to do for the past couple of years. One thing that must be noted is that Beverly is not a superstar. But he made a NBA team a couple years ago. He's a really tough, dude. There's a recent poll of NBA players. They asked a bunch of questions and one of them was who would you least like to fight and Beverly was in the top five and everyone else was considerably larger than six one. I think is number one, right? Herati? Yeah, he's a seasoned may fighter and he's also a large large person. But yeah, Beverly the fact is he's a tough, dude. And I think the respect isn't begrudging. It's maybe partly out of knowing that this is a guy that can chop at your knees and make you pretty hurt if he wants to. So I think it's kind of a good battle. It's more even than it might seem just by the sight gag of it there is certainly tradition of guys like this being viewed with contempt by their peers, the number one example of that recently was Matthew Della Vedova who and the finals that you're just injuring everyone on the line between being a past and being dangerous is. Pretty thin, right? I don't think I don't think Beverly does anything dangerous. I mean, the Westbrook example, you gave that was a while ago. Four five six years ago in a lifetime ago. It was a he was a guy. It's a lot of well having since then let's move on to Ben Simmons and Jared Dudley, which is a higher. Great a higher grade of beef. And there seems to be some genuine dislike and distaste there. This started with Dudley after game to Q in mind. The Dudley did not play in this game. Because he was injured just Jared Dudley willingness to insert himself into into this beef with that with real no standing beef sanding, it's quite admirable. So after game to it's deadly did not play any said, Ben Simmons is a great player in transition. And once you get him into half court. He's average Simmons's response was that's coming from Jared Dudley. Come on. I love how all of these beefs just saying the person's name is it's part of the beef. Yeah. So what what else has happened here? Neck. What are your favorite parts of Dudley? Semons beef. Yes. So I think this Dudley Dudley quote. About him. Not being you know, being average in the half court is kind of true, he certainly better in transitional half court. And it's one of those things that the quote itself was so tasty of soundbite that it kept getting tweeted and tweeted re tweeted, obviously Simmons got asked about it. So it was something that was the definition of. So it was a guy who wasn't even playing saying something kind of almost in passing on combat. Yeah. Knock US for the fact that he wasn't even playing actually makes it less innocuous, but keep going keep going. Well, I think that Simmons the way he reacted kind of Seib. Like except for the next game Dudley actually did play and he played terribly. He didn't score a single point. He air balled a three and Simmons was caught on tape or was on the on the court at the time raising his arm sort of in mock celebration when air balled oh three it was kind of fun and friendly not a big deal and seemed to be like a return to the status quo. Where in Ben Simmons is an all-star Jared Dudley is Jared Dudley. But the other game the last game game four playing very well kind of really kind of relishing his role as pests, but not in the Beverly way in the sort of talking trash getting people's faces. He made he made it three did the same Simmons celebration that he did what he airball three, and it was actually turning something really interesting. And then. Dudley have got a little head of his skis there and got himself jetted and that kind of turned the game. But he also got Jimmy Butler Justice is my point is like the similar to the Kevin Durant. Patrick Beverley there was on court consequences for the beef. I mean, the Beverly Durant was mostly on court, and it was mostly involved watching Patrick Beverley, look like again, your little brother, this beef spilled over into sort of serious NBA beef, Jared Dudley had been fouled by Joel Embiid who we're going to get to this inserts himself into the beef, which makes this beef even better and then Dudley pushes them bead than they spill off of the court and like into the first row of the stands, which is a big. No, no in the NBA, obviously and Dudley effectively gets Jimmy Butler of jetted from the game Beverly took out Durant. Here. We have a star for one team getting kicked out when the past. Takes action that tussle in my opinion. Actually, kind of good word. Yes. The brouhaha the Donnybrook. Sort of exemplified why the Simmons Dudley beef isn't maybe a full beef in the fact that Dudley was very much trying to get under Embiid skin Butler took offence Butler stormed over Simmons and Dudley. The two protagonists of this feud of this semi beef actually themselves sort of intertwined and in a position that if it were a real kind of vicious beef could actually be fighting, but they were kind of sort of cradled, and sort of just kind of floated into the stands with each other. There's no real animosity between them they got back up everyone separated. So the two sort of main characters were confronted face to face if this were a a fantasy movie, this would be the sort of climactic battle and nothing happened. Everything else was kind of tertiary beef. So the Simmons beef might actually be more of the kind of kind of wrestling styles stage antics than anything. Real coast to animosity. But so the thing about the Sixers net series is it's a good close tightly contested intense series. And so, you know, with Beverly and Durant there's some serious on-court competition there, but we know who's gonna win. There doesn't seem to be any serious issues between the teams or the clippers on the warriors have had thirties in the past. But this time around it just seems like fairly standard issue stuff. But Sixers nets like the nets are young and scrappy and. Not young. He's young the Sixers or the favorite in the series. But you know, they're in beads been hurt and the before the Sixers won and game four the, you know victory and the series was kind of in the balance, and it just seemed like in that context. The Dudley thing was just weird. I don't know if it was intentional because Dudley is older. He's very smart guy. I don't know if it was like, you know, Kenny Atkinson, the coach was telling him to do this stuff to try to get in the Sixers heads or if he's just freelancing here because he thinks it will help the team. It's just the combination of the beef seeing so seeming so like out of nowhere and pointless and the series being so closely contested and physical and consequential is just been a little bit hard to parse really. But that's where beef comes from one offhand dismissive remark by one supremely talented athlete toward another supreme. That's my question offhand because it seems like Dudley. What do you think this is? No, I think the Dudley has been doing this intentionally to try to stir stuff on then he did manage to not only drag Ben Simmons into this, but drag Joel Embiid into it and bead after the the fight game on Sunday called Dudley. Nobody and they both both Embiid and who was on the stand with him. It was Butler on the at the news conference kind of sort of snickered and roll their eyes about Dudley. All right. So let's end with Russell Westbrook versus the world. We're going to talk about Westbrook and his dealings with the media and our bonus Aikman. But let's also talk about Russell Westbrook versus the blazers and Damian Lillard in particular. I hadn't been paying super duper close attention to the series. But I watched. Game four on Sunday. And the thing that was so odd for me neck is just used to seeing Westbrook going a million miles per hour. All the time for good or for L. It's been a little bit more for L this season for the thunder. Then the second after this game. He just didn't do anything. He was just kinda standing around and Dennis Schroder was initiating the offense. They were you know, getting the ball Paul, George understandably and Damian Lillard is just like so such far and away the best player in the series on the court. It just seemed weird to me to see Westbrook. So deferential, and may maybe I'm psychoanalyzing too much. But he just seemed kind of defeated. Yeah. He was over seven in the second half scored one point and they were playing well in the first half they had Lillard and check for most of the first-half until the very end of it yet Westbrook's shooting. Has been terrible year. He's really been struggling with it. And he's able to kind of make up with it, you know, with his other play makers pointer in game three. But yeah. And he played, you know, he played really well and game three or kind of force the, you know, the thunder over the line there. But it just seems like everything's kinda catching up with him in in a playoff series where you see the same opponents over over. Again, they kind of learn your tendencies kind of learn how to fend you the trailblazers were really backing off of Westbrook. When he was behind the three point line kind of encouraging him to shoot I saw something where a cantor the center for Portland was picking up west. I think in transition and everyone the blazers bench for screaming at him to backup backup kind of let him shoot. And he rimmed it in and outta a three that that missed sites. Get Westbrook's kind of his season long shooting struggles that here's able sort of get by are catching up to him. And he just. Can't kind of cut it this series trying to analyze basketball here, and we're trying to analyze beef. Let's bring it back to the beef Lillard. They've been the thing about this beef. I think that distinguish it distinguishes it from some of the other ones is that. They're also signature moves involved. Dame time, you know, Lillard pointing at his watch Westbrook rocking the baby after he makes shot I load using someone's move against them. That's a classic beef myth. Yeah. But this is so here's the story that the using Dame time point of the watch move that was Dennis Schreuder in game three with like a minute left. When the game was already kind of guaranteed, which is kind of like M be jumping into the Simmons Dudley beef sort of piggybacking of the beef. And I think with Westbrook and Lillard it's tough because Lillard is a very calm, you know, level headed dude in Westbrook is very much the opposite. So in terms of styles make fights that's kind of fascinating for this beef. But when you watch it, especially Lillard outplaying Westbrook, so much it just looks like a sort of odd pantomime of of some sort of. I don't know like Buster Keaton gag where one purses sweating and huffing and puffing and getting nowhere in the other person's kind of calm and casualty. Hitting threes thirty feet out and kind of torturing his defender fellow. Buster Keaton, we're hitting all the. Classic kaeding hitting threes from from thirty feet. Well, the thing that's so disappointing about Westbrook and Lillard is that out of all of these beaver. That's the only one that's the the players have have equal billing and equal standing standing abilities talents. Wherever you want to phrase that I mean Lillard clearly the better player at this moment in time, but at its best in in game three, and you know, who knows maybe the series will will turn and game. Five of the looks unlikely. At this moment that we said that Portland's head three games to Portland is a head three games to one. It just felt like it could be an on-court and off court beef that would be settled with amazing, you know, shod making and this is not going to happen. Unrequited beef. I'm Lee Baz LAN, the host of slates new podcast charged. It's miniseries. Told through the story of one person terrar- he was twenty when he was caught carrying a gun in Brooklyn. He knew he was in trouble. But would you didn't know was just at the moment. 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This also involves Russell Westbrook, and is Westbrook versus the press tear that conversation join slate. Plus, it's just thirty five dollars for the first year. You can sign up at slate dot com slash hangup. Plus. The top seeds in both conferences in the National Hockey League have been ousted in the first round of the playoffs. It's the first time that's ever happened. Farewell Calgary Flames and Tampa Bay Lightning. The Tampa one was especially shocking because a the lightning one and NHL record sixty two games in the regular season. Be they got swept and see the team that swept them plays its home games in Columbus, Ohio and his nickname to the blue jackets. The possibility of Columbus Nashville Stanley Cup final is alive. And so as the possibility of Columbus Las Vegas final. And I say that because our friend Greg wishing ski who covers ice hockey for ESPN joins us from sin city straight from the MGM Grand Hotel. He watched a double overtime game in Vegas last night. Good morning, Greg. Good morning, a quick anecdote. I was on the San Jose Las Vegas series since the beginning. And after game to San Jose was prepared. Tired to come to Las Vegas on my company's dime for several days until the Tampa Bay Lightning went down. Oh to Columbus. And my editor said, no, no, no, Greg. You're not going to Las Vegas. You're going to Columbus Ohio scramble jets Columbus. Let's start with that. They got broom out of the playoffs. I mean, it's playoff hockey, Greg. The puck bounces in funny ways. But Columbus outscore Tampa Bay nineteen to eight Columbus fifteen fewer games in the regular season and Tampa Bay what happened combination of factors one in particular that not enough people talk about is that Victor Hedman who was just recently nominated for the Norris trophy for the league's best defense when he won that award. Last season was pretty banged up. He played the first you games very ineffective and did not play games three and four arguably the best player on the lightning and they were without him which is going to make it difficult to win any series. But the Columbus four checking system put a real damper on the lightning offense of system. They couldn't get anything going. The other big factor was special teams with a lightning who had the best power play in the regular season in the NHL since the nineteen eighty nine campaign. One for six on the power play. While the Columbus. Blue jackets went five for ten against. What was the typically the best penalty kill in the regular season? I think Ryan mcdonagh their defenseman on the lightning defenseman said it best when he said everything that we did great in the regular season Columbus better than us in this series. My favorite explanations for why Tampa Bay lost. It's like the classic explanation. Upsets happened in the playoffs. It's like Tampa Bay was just too good. That was that was the problem were just too dominant in the regular season challenges chance to they just got to use to winning. And then when they started losing, they just got really sad. It's just all feels like ex post facto explanation for the an explicable, or do you think that they're actually in something to the fact that they were just too good at hockey? And that was their downfall. They never faced any adversity adversity. Spin was dumb. Because the core. The core of this team was the same core that pretty much that you know, lost in the conference finals to Pittsburgh into Washington blowing a game six blowing a game seven both times. So they'd had they faced versity this group. But the the there's a sidebar to that that I think is valid and might explain also why the Calgary Flames are no longer with us as well. Which is that when you are a top seed, and you've clenched and you're in cruise control for in the case of the Tampa Bay Lightning since before a March like they hadn't played a meaningful game in months and you face a team like Columbus did Tampa Bay like Colorado did the Calgary that's been playing playoff games, basically for the last two and a half weeks of the regular season. I mean, Columbus one seven eight games to make the playoffs in each of those seven. Victories allowed two or fewer goals. So they were insanely good down the stretch. There is something to be said for teams not being able to flip the switch against teams that had been playing in playoff mode for several weeks. You wrote on ESPN round table among hockey writers about who. Now is the favorite to win the Stanley Cup. You said it's Columbus. You said that pass twelve games including the playoffs since the jackets cleared tok city from their dressing room with a team meeting. They've been on this tear. You gotta get toxic city out of the dressing room. Mersa is one reason to talk. Another is apparently to do better at hockey. What what what was the toxicity? And what did they do? Well, the one thing is that that I learned from that team being around it. And this might come from there bloviating coach John Tortorella as the source varies eight unique honesty behind the scenes, and let me bring it to you this way the blue jackets in two phases of the season have faced really weird circumstances involving their player personnel. The first is that when the season started? It was an open secret in the NHL that arguably the two best players are Pinera n- a great Russian forward who's the leading score. And Sergei Broschi who is a dozen a winning goaltender open secret that they both gonna leave. The team is unrestricted free agents the summer. So the team held a meeting earlier this year that cleared the air across all the players on data issue there kind of plan line about it. But the air was cleared then during this western Canadian. Road trip. The team was struggling after going. What was better described is all in at the trade deadline. They kept Pinera and the kept the Broschi they made a big trade for Matt Duchenne and Ryan single from the Ottawa Senators and they struggled and apparently at this meeting in western Canada on this road trip. The air was cleared again of various and sundry issues and ever since that point the players said they'd been locked in on the same page playing great hockey. I do think that they are a team that is built to win a cop. They've got two really good offensive lines. They have a foundational franchise the fence when Steph Jones that every Cup champion seems to have an if Sergei Brodsky who had been a punchline in the playoffs figured himself out as a playoff goal either. They could they could be it's comes out of the east my problem. And this is kind of ironic considering we just talked about with Tampa. Is this layoff might kill that whole mental. They're going to be off for like a week. Before they have to play their next playoff round. And that's a long time for a team that had been playing a playoff game. Every other day to be sitting around waiting to see who comes out of that Toronto Boston series. They shouldn't have been Tampa. So comprehensively those recites my favorite moment in this series came after the series was over when the Tampa Bay Lightning Twitter account emotive the following. We don't have any words, and we know you don't want to hear them. We understand your anger. Your frustration your sadness, everything you're feeling we get it. This isn't the ending we imagined. And certainly not the one we wanted. Thank you for being there. The entire way. Maybe the most emo- moment in the history of sports, not just in hockey. But I do feel like it captures something about playoff hockey, and the feeling that it makes no sense that it's capricious that why doesn't the lightning. Call me back. I thought we had something answered my last twenty texts what is going on? Like, I do, you know, the the Twitter account of the team you like to kind of capture the spirits of the fan base and the emotions, and I feel like this was a fact of in that way pro perhaps I mean more effective if you set it to a joy division song. It's true. But, but no, I think that it was an interesting statement and one interest ads. One that the fan base. I think some of them seem to really understand and other ones were really kind of angry about it and wanted him to fire their coach, but listen, this is a supremely talented team. They're they are locked in with the Dacian of players in their prime for years and years and years to come and the thing about all playoff teams in speaking about the randomness of the play offs, and and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't the Washington Capitals. Last season are beacon of light there. The lighthouse they the ones that you look at and say there was a real sense that this group was never going to win and especially with never going to get past their tormentors the Pittsburgh Penguins that happened and the caps. You know went on to win their first Cup in franchise history. A racing years and years and years of playoff utility and losing heartbreaking series. So every single time. Now that you have a situation like the lightning. They're gonna come back and say, look, we it wasn't our time. That's what Nikita kucherov. They're up. Probable MVP who did it very not the thing by getting suspended for game. Three by a cheap shot your guy in game two. He said best. He said it wasn't our time which is kind of a stunning admission. But I think that's the mindset for these teams. Good transition there. Thank you. Because I want to ask you about Alex vegeta- of the Washington Capitals. Beating the shit out of Carolina Hurricanes nineteen year old rookie Andre smashing a cough in game earlier in that series. You know, you can do a forensic analysis of the fight. There've been some conflicting reports of who asked who to go whether it was spatchcock after the two of them sort of were shoving back and forth calling out of the fight or whether it happened the other way around it seemed both a bad idea for spectacle to take on Ovechkin. I mean, he idolized this guy Russian on Russian kid against adult. But from I sort of like. A little sick. And bio veteran agreeing the do this. I'm beating the shit out. I understand hockey and codes. And you know, the gloves are dropped. You gotta go because of the age difference, you're sticking by just thought it was like a veg can should've just skated away rather than pummeling this kid that idolized a may December fight. Yeah. It was also a fight between a bull in a pigeon to Ovechkin itself a much larger gentleman than stressed the cough. A first of all this is the weirdest initiation. I think to Putin team the flat of your Putin PR agency. That's a Ovechkin has run on his Instagram account. I don't quite know what's going on there. But I will say this about the fight. I think that the obsession by the Carolina Hurricanes communications team and their coach as to who asked who Masoom the fight is a little unfair to a veteran. I mean, it almost makes it seem like they're pointing towards a guy taking liberties with a kid verse a guy who by the way hasn't had a fight since two thousand ten versus this being a voluntary about between the two which is the case, the the sadness. Of course, is that specially coughs lost the fight Bangusae out on the ice can cost missed a portion of their series. But you know, these things happen and in in the case of Ovechkin you know, he's continued to have a remarkably good postseason, and and hopefully special cough. I think will return to the series reverting house. Right. And I was talking about this with our producer Patrick. Honky referee before the show, and he said, look what we should be talking about is whether special office getting rushed back from the concussion protocol. That's what really matters here it does. And I have to imagine if they're taking good care. Look the hurricanes punched above their weight all season. They're one of the better stories of the league they had made the playoffs. I think since before the Pixar movie up was in theaters was the last of made the playoffs in two thousand nine they aren't time everything. Yeah, buddy. I wish I wish that I had a different answer for you. Inauguration sin debuted in theaters they made the playoffs somewhere between last crusade and crystal skull now, listen, the it was a really fun year for them. But especially 'cause is part of a really really bright future for this team as far as the prospects that they have I don't imagine that they're going to do anything, but take the proper care with this kid. He's a franchise level play wrote at a very high draft for them this year. So you you hope at least that they are being very careful with his recovery. I want to ask a question about Vegas. But I I just wanted to note how impressive the level of tautology is. And it wasn't our times. Like, no shit. Did it wasn't your time. You're just like literally saying what happened. It's like we lost is another way to say. But it just sounds slightly more profound anyway in Vegas. I do find it fascinating. That in the NHL every team in the playoffs can based on reason. History. Say we have a really legitimate chance to win the Stanley Cup. It's obviously not true. And the NBA teams can say that. But you can't believe that that most of the teams then be plots actually believe that it's true. But I'm curious how that manifests in Vegas franchise that you know, made made the finals last year probably going. Imagine team probably going in. I don't I don't know if they actually believed that if any team didn't believe that they can make it was probably them. But now how expectations work for a team coming off of such like a crazy? You know, lectured breaking pathbreaking performance. Do they feel the burden of that? Or they seem all loosey goosey still. I wanna start by talking about the franchise because I was discussing this with another writer at game six when you're out of Vegas game. It it really is one of the singular experiences in sports right now. I mean, the interim presentation the fact that you have Lil Jon flava flav and Gordon Ramsay at a game. The fact that they're marrying people and renewing wedding, vows Elvis impersonator outside the arena before the game. Like it. There's nothing like this in sports right now. And I encourage any hockey fan to come the and see a game. However, as I said last night, I couldn't hate this franchise more like there is they've never they've never known the the the pain and anguish of several years of the climb to get to where this team has been for the last two seasons. Now, they might depending on how this first round goes in this next round goes if they make it through, but as a devil's fan who grew up getting just. Absolutely curb stumped by the Rangers and their fans for the better part of a decade before the devils were relevant. It's it's kind of stunning to think about this success coming to Vegas early that said from a team perspective internally. Yeah, there's a lot of the line here. They got a in the off season. Arguably the best line of the team right now is one that was put together since last season with mass patchy ready being acquired by trade from Montreal Paul stasio sighing signing a big free contract. And then Mark stone being a huge trade deadline acquisition who they immediately signed two eight year contract. So there's a lot of money invested it at their owner. Bill Foley wants to win especially after the teas of last season. So even though it might seem like, hey, you know, the honeymoon in Vegas the expansion team. What have you the stakes are are ridiculously high for this franchise internally? We didn't get to the New York Islanders. Go islanders. There's gonna be a game seven in the Vegas San Jose series. It'll be in San Jose, Greg wishing ski will be there covering for SPN, Greg. Thanks a lot for coming on the show. This week's episode of hang up and listen sponsored by butcher box with butcher box. 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He's got a long way to go to get the seventy four, but the professional sports gambler from Las Vegas, Nevada as Alex trebek's might say is tiger in the two thousand US open secretary at Belmont, Georgia Tech, beating Cumberland two hundred twenty two to nothing in nineteen sixteen after twelve wins holes our has racked up more than eight hundred fifty thousand dollars in winnings number two Jennings, including the top single day records Mark of one hundred thirty one thousand one hundred twenty seven we're recording this on Monday. It's conceivable that the dude lost in game number thirteen. But it certainly doesn't look like that is in the often, but you never know jeopardy Sports Illustrated, editor and writer, Jack Dicky's here, not because he edits and writes for Sports Illustrated. But because last year he went on jeopardy and won two games and forty seven thousand eight hundred and two dollars. Welcome to the show, Jack. Hey, guys you lost in game three because you didn't. Tommy Lee Jones was. This dude seems to know everything what's the difference between Jack Dickey and James hauls our. Well, okay. So he probably does know Tommy Lee Jones was in the fugitive. Which isn't even though the fugitive was a movie, I think you under under sold it. I did I knew the fugitive was it was not in my it was not in my mind. I knew it was a TV show. But it I could not summon it with everything on the line. So so that's one difference. I think the bigger difference is that he took a sports gamblers approach to game play which has netted him. All this money end. Just you know has these like incredibly lopsided totals heading into final jeopardy every night. And that's something where like I feel like most of us. No matter how much we know. No matter how much we love jeopardy. No matter how much we studied the show go on the show and try to play the way the show has always been played. And so for someone to come along. And completely changed the game. It's it's admirable. But it takes more courage than anyone would these strong kind of social and cultural norms around. Here's how you approach betting. Here's the order in which you played down the board. People have been making lots of different sports analogies. A piece we ran on slate compared him to Serena Williams, but in there's also been like a moneyball comparison and his like kind of changing the approach, but what you just described makes me think of Steph curry in like he's changing or. Like, James harden? It's like shooting like thirty three pointers in a game. It's not caring. How you're supposed to play. It's just playing in the mathematically optimal way. I didn't think of the show this way until I was through with it. But they're sort of two games. So and there's one that you against your opponents, and there's one that's you against that game jeopardy. So normally, you I think when you're going into this you spend all day when you're there sort of in a in a tiny green room with these people, and you sort of think like, oh, let me focus on how to beat them. Not that there's much strategy. You can. Can optimize for any given opponent. But he's really focused on feeding. The game itself doesn't really seem to care much about who he's playing against in. So I would say that probably the biggest the biggest area in which that comes into plays with daily doubles. Where normally you're wagering strategy is dictated dictated by your opponents scores. People don't wager that much because you don't wanna fall behind. You. Don't want to wind up losing all of the money built up already. He's just proven that if you know the answers, and if you're on jeopardy probably have a pretty good handle on what what the answers, are you should just ways almost all of your money. Right. And that's what he's been doing. And he's been nailing answers correctly at a Jennings rate, and he's got a very quick finger on the buzzer. Which is in. Spendable because as you just pointed out if you're if you've made it through all of the qualifying and interviewing to get on the show, the knowledge part is almost a given. Like all of these people are really good at jeopardy who get onto the show. That's what everyone says is that everyone knows all the answers, and it's just based on who can buzz in I but that being said, Jack. I mean, he's had some perfect games where he's gotten right forty right? Thirty nine right. What do you as the most impressive thing? Somebody who's played about the way that he plays or is able to so. They tell you in the morning before you take is. There are no rules beyond the rules. Everyone knows about halfway jeopardy. But Justice of rule of thumb use should go in order category by category because it will orient you better when you get to the harder clues. So sometimes there's a pattern. Sometimes if even if they tell you the pattern like if it's rhyme time or something it will help to get the easier ones. Leading into the harder ones. Just so you you're familiar. With with the rhythm of it the way he plays in in single jeopardy right off the bat. He just goes for the thousand dollar clues in each category. Which are the hardest clues. And obviously he's coming into that particular category cold and he switching from category category. So you can't really get any. You there's no there's no solid ground. You know, that you're that you're building on top of he's familiar with the game by that point because he's a multi time champion, and so he is perfectly oriented, but the people he's playing with are the ones who aren't on solid ground. Yeah. He's not worrying -ted in the sense that each category is is it's on challenge. But he absolutely the the reigning champ has an advantage in terms of buzzer, timing or her signaling device timing. And has an advantage just in terms of late TV specific nerves like when you are a repeat champion, the only the only drag is that you they take five shows in a day that hit a week's worth of shows each day. So you may be fatigued relative to to your competition. But you certainly have had the advantage of knowing what you're doing. I wanna talk a little bit more about this guy and how he is sort of lab built to destroy jeopardy. ESPN did a profile and talk to his gambling buddies and his trivia buddies and his fantasy football buddies one dude is quoted as saying right right now, I'd say on his full keeper baseball team of the top hundred prospects, he has eight or nine of them. His team got older. He's rebuilding right now. And his team is completely stocked up. So you've got like he's a total fantasy sports nerd and he's built predictive models for. For baseball and football and college basketball, can I enter Jackson say my favorite thing about that. I think it was that story with that. Apparently, he built his bankroll at the beginning of his pro gambling career by figuring out that oddsmakers had miss allocated. The odds for the two thousand six world baseball classic. People are betting on the world baseball classic. And he figured out the arbitrage to make a lot of money for that to bankroll him. I think one point he described himself as retired. So he's made a lot of money gambling is my that. And now he's made a lot of money playing jeopardy. So this guy is sort of built for it. Just like in every other mind sport that you see it's Magnus Carlsen right now he's an outlier in the game. I play scrabble guys. Like, Nigel Richards, the guy that won the North American championship five times in the world championship a bunch of times decided to take up French scrabble and memorize the entire dictionary in nine weeks and won that championship. I mean, there's that rare combination of prodigious memory supreme recall predator, natural confidence and desire to sort of crush the game. I guess the way that jeopardy could beat whole tower is by making the questions harder. And Jack, that's the thing that. Is kind of an interesting balance because jeopardy has entertainment it's a show that people like to watch to see great champions. But they also like to watch to try to you know, play along. And it seems like if the goal is to. You know, make a game that would be challenging somebody like James holds our the questions would just have to be way harder and the questions it seems like aren't hard enough for most of the people that are on the show, and it's really a test of the signaling device and and TV nerves. Do you think that that's a fair characterization absolately? They they don't want people to get killed by the game. That's not that's not in their interest as TV producers. They want the questions to be hard. Because there's a there's an expectation that that would people watch jeopardy day our immersing themselves for you know, twenty two minutes in. Arts and literature and geography in all these subjects they might not be encountering in there. Otherwise humdrum lives, but they they don't want contestants to go and strangle for one winter. Separable Blitzer who manages to to struggle with the easiest questions celebrity deputy, I wonder with whole tower, and it was in one of the stories. I think the land may have interviewed some someone who worked in in game show production previously who said there's a line item for for winnings for for these shows, and it is almost certainly true. That holds our is obliterating whatever. Budget item? They had they had set for this set of tapings. I don't know what what their disposition is. I think they're probably the ratings boost cancels out, whatever he's costing them. Having no doubt for outline victories for sure. But you you do wonder what will happen if he if he goes on a streak that is Jennings like because Jennings streak it caused them to to change certain parameters of of contestant prep. And I think that the way they selected contestants to the piece actually was uncertain about whether they would have insurance because the amount of money that contestants typically win is within a very predictable range, and he's just blowing that completely away to he's winning like an average of seventy thousand dollars a show and. Previously in Jennings. Run was like half of that. Right. Right. Yeah. I think that's right. I also wonder if they did make the questions harder. If it would actually be helpful to him. I guess it would be a test of really how knowledgeable he has. Because it does seem like there's a universe in which somebody could come on the show be better at trivia than whole tower and just get completely run over in this world where everybody knows of the questions. So that would be an interesting test. I would like to see, and I guess in the tournament of champions, the questions are are more difficult, and Brad Rutter a guy who is from the five times a champion. And then you're out era of jeopardy has been demonstrated to be the best player ever. Like, I guess there will be opportunities for us to see whole tower against the best players. And we'll we'll see how how deep knowledge is though as Jennings has pointed out, he's forty five and not twenty nine. Now, he's not studying as much he's. Not as sharp. So he's like I can't beat this guy at this stage in my life fatalism. There's also been a lot of statistical analysis of jeopardy history, of course, and jenning streak was kind of a fluke. He got the right questions at the right moments and was also really good at playing and he's knowledged that statistically, he's not that much. He's not a huge outlier in terms of percentages of of questions got right at cetera et cetera. And you know, holes hours gonna lose eventually a couple of miss daily doubles myth final jeopardy clue. This is more random in some ways than we might like to think is an Jack. Absolutely. And I think it was Friday night's show holds our missed the for what he was going through the thousand dollar questions he missed the first one, and it would eat travek was startled to see him with a negative score. And he didn't appear that shaken because I'm sure he he knows this is a consequence of his strategy. But it does seem entirely possible that he could get hit with a top daily double or he just, you know, goes four for six on on those thousand dollar questions in in single jeopardy and just doesn't filled up as much of a bankroll as as he's accustom. Ability on but his that said, his his knowledge the breadth of his knowledge is pretty impressive to me. I mean, that's Jennings is my favorite player watch. Because he really does seem to know everything about me nervous possible subjects and then also jeopardy so everything's nursing. But but about the lease nerdy subjects to I mean, they end and hold sour. I sort of had had taken him for something of a nerd, and then they the two thousand dollars Palu the other night about an actress whose first movie role was in hairspray and he rang in with Ricky lake, and I know that and said, wow, okay. He's he's really something. Ricki lake because what did it for you? I mean, what else could it have been Jack Dickey went twenty and one in attempting to defend his two time jeopardy championship. Lashed drain on Holt's our seriously tournament of champions, call Jack Dickey now, Jack thank you for coming on the show and congratulations on winning forty seven thousand eight hundred dollars on jeopardy. It's all right. Now, it is time for after balls, and I was trying to think of a jeopardy related thing or person to celebrate. And I encountered the story of Eddie to Manus who was the first fully blind person to win on jeopardy. One five times and Eddie to mantis sports writer for USA today. Did you know that seven? No, yeah. He was a contestant in October of nineteen ninety nine. They made some adjustments to the game to make it fair and equitable for him. He got the category names. In braille that no video based clues. But otherwise the game was entirely the same and do just wracked at men dominate it. Five of the lot in jeopardy. Yeah. That was back in the day when you have to stop after five for a week. He would still be winning every single game. If they hadn't kicked him off. Unceremoniously? All right Stephane. What is your attitude mantis last week, the New York Yankees announced that they would no longer play Kate Smith nineteen thirty nine recording of Irving Berlin nineteen eighteen hit. God bless America. During the seventh inning stretch and the Philadelphia Flyers followed suit by ending a fifty year tradition of playing the song. And they also covered up a statue of the dead singer outside their arena UAE a fan told the Yankees that Smith sang some racist songs in the nineteen thirties. Kate Smith was born in one thousand nine hundred seven in the Jim crow South America was incredibly racist in the nineteen thirties. And as Jody Rosen pointed out in an excellent Twitter threat over the weekend pretty much all music and musicians from the early twentieth century, including Irving Berlin were touched by minstrels -i. So you can argue whether Kate Smith singing racist songs in the nineteen thirties was racist. Or just a product of the times a niece of Smith told USA Today. A over the weekend that Smith really did not see color which. Okay. But boy were these songs racist. Here's Smith singing. That's why darkies were born in nineteen thirty one. And here's a scene from the nineteen thirty three film. Hello everybody in which Smith sang picking any heaven. I'm living next on a little colored children who are listening in at an orphanage in New York City a yard. Any detail? That I know. Tien? You get there happens. They're great big watermelons roll around and get in your way. And there's a Swannee river made of real lemonade America kits myths. First appearance in connection with sports wasn't with the Philadelphia Flyers but another Philly team on July. Twentieth. Nineteen sixty nine play was halted at four baseball stadiums. When humans landed on the moon in Philadelphia UPI reported players on the Phillies and cubs lined up on the foul lines followed by a moment of silence in prayer for continued success of the mission and a recording of Smith singing. God bless America that December the fliers played GB after the Canadian national anthem instead of the SS be the Philadelphia daily news said the reason was a mystery and added that it sounded great, but it's still not our national anthem, but the flyers one and they want again with the song a few days. Later when Philly beat the kings of the next month the spectrum scoreboard, flashed Kate Smith now three and oh in February nineteen seventy-two flyers. Vice president Lu Sheinfeld told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he started playing. God bless America. Because he had noticed that people were paying less and less attention to the national anthem to a lot of people that have no meaning people talked. They bought pizza. They walked around and hardly anybody sang along imagine that. So he played God bless America. Instead, some people complain some people loved it. But the flyers kept winning with China. Velde said at the time that the team went foreign with Smith and sixty nine seventy six one in one in seventy seventy one and was eight nose so far in seventy one seventy two so eighteen one in one to that point the next season. He claimed that the team was twenty four one in one with Smith this past Saturday in the inquirer Sheinfeld who is now eighty two. Blamed the PC police for shutting down Kate Smith. I played God bless America. Only twenty one times over the first three seasons solely for a key game. He wrote and it worked like a charm. The flyers won nineteen of those games tied one and lost. Only once a far cry from their dismal losing records in those days. But a hang up and listen investigation reveals that Sheinfeld was wrong for starters those flyers sucked. They didn't play any key games. More important Kate. Smith record may have been exaggerated. Unwillingly are not on April thirtieth nineteen seventy the flyers beat the Minnesota North stars to run their record, according to the Enquirer to seven and one with Kate that season the next day. They tied the kings, Los Angeles Kings, and the paper said they were seven one in one. Kate can't help the paper reported after the penguins beat the flyers later that month. Dropping Cates record the inquirer. Said to seven two and one two losses. Not one to after that the flyers. God bless America. Record is all over the map in nineteen seventy two the Enquirer reported at I twenty one three and one then is twenty two two and one and finally as twenty four one and one the flyers kept adding retroactively better with Kate Smith. They definitely lost another Smith game in the playoffs in April nineteen Seventy-three. And at this point who knows what the real record was but Smith had gone viral on opening night of the seventy three seventy four season. Smith appeared live at the spectrum for the first time because the flyers had earlier rejected her appearance fee demands flyers skate the daily news wrote in a headline after one win the broad street bullies made an unexpected run through the playoffs and on the morning of game. Six of the finals against the Boston. Bruins with Philly up three games to two the Enquirer played a story about Smith on page one. One. She sang the song live on the ice that night. It's MIT stayed the whole game the flyers one one to nothing and hoisted the Stanley Cup Boston coach Armand, bep Guido lien said that fucking song that fucking carpet that fucking Oregon. They turn this thing into a fucking circus. I'm assuming Josh that he said fucking it was printed in the daily news as bleep we the lean went on to rip Kate Smith. This is nine hundred seventy four not nineteen twenty four fans. Rioted standing on top of trucks cars and chartered buses the Enquirer reported, they alternately sang God bless America. And chanted such things as one two three four who the hell is Bobby or the same story later said that frequent often drunken renditions of God bless America were heard that inquirer. Article was headlined streakers drinkers singers and was a straighted with a photo of two naked dudes running through center city, the flyers claim they were one hundred and one thirty one and five with Smith. God bless America. I say. Don't trust the numbers. Definitely a couple early losses weren't counted. Anyway, it seems like once it got going the flyers patted the Smith record by playing God bless America before games against shitty teams, also Kate Smith or no Kate Smith playing God bless America. And the star spangled banner at sports events is jingoistic nonsense that has nothing to do with games and should stop. Josh, what's your editor? Mantis? I cannot palm a basketball that is my at each mantis. I don't feel that bad about it. Because back in two thousand fourteen Kevin Durant admitted that he too cannot home the ball, which means we are basically the same when it comes to basketball. When Durant made his confession. There was some speculation that maybe could actually palm the ball people were not willing to believe it. But Darnell Mary who was then in Oklahoma City, thunder be writer. This was when Durant played for Casey wrote about watching Durant. A scrimmage Durant stood in line trying to palm the ball and it kept slipping. So it does appear that he struggles to palm it at least for long periods. The stars. They're just like us. I was curious about the history of pumping the basketball, and I discovered there is a guy who is credited as the first to be able to do it. His name was George horse Haggerty. He was born in eighteen ninety one in Springfield mass his horse as middle name. Or is that his nickname that is his nickname? He was born in Springfield mass. Where basketball's invented? So he had a little bit about home court advantage. Haggerty was a member of the most successful and famous team in the early days of pro basketball, the New York original Celtics, which Haggerty. Joined in nineteen twenty Haggerty was a big dude for his day. He was six four to thirty and was known as a great rebounder and shot blocker. According to the buck basketball, a biographical dictionary Haggerty quote once knocked out a spectator who had insulted a teammate and another time Florida referee who had he had thought was favoring his opponent to which I fair enough. Haggerty was known as a fan favorite for obvious reasons. His nineteen sixty one bit. And the Washington Post said that he was too basketball. What Babe Ruth was to baseball, which seems like an enormous exaggeration. But just go for it wa-, pow do your thing. But Stephan, do you know who horse haggerty's biggest fan was? Hold on Babe, Ruth, the one and only Muhammad Ali hating New York Times sports columnist, Arthur Daley and nineteen forty-three column. Daily talk to hagerty's old teammate NAT Holman who said that the horse was the most colorful basketball player of the mall. The horse would think nothing of bringing sneezing powder on the core with him and casually tossing some of it at a man about to shoot a foul. The Celtics Patrick Beverley should do that. The Celtics didn't need any such to win. It was just haggerty's wave amusing himself. Kevin Durant would explode if Patrick Beverley through some sneezing powder at him ready for another horse anecdote, the good nature giant was a tear with the officials once a second personal fouls assessed against him unjustly. He thought Haggerty. Bellowed call another like that. And I'll hit you on the Chen a few moments later, the referee walked over and a Haggerty and said another foul on you. And here's my. The horse could not resist the temptation of the proffer joh-. He let him have it. What a lovable scam. The pro basketball encyclopedia notes that in nineteen Twenty-three Haggerty became the player. Coach of the Fort Wayne knights of Columbus. He tore attendant his ankle wait for The Fourth Way and knights of Columbus. Correct. Okay. I'm my intonation was a little bit off Fort Wayne knights of Columbus. He tore a tendon his ankle he had ankle problems for the rest of his career. He then became a bricklayer and a business agent for the bricklayers union in nineteen fifty nine. He was elected to the Basketball Hall of fame as a member of the original, Celtics. So that is the horse Haggerty story in. The course of researching this I found an article the claim that the second person diploma basketball after horse. Haggerty was a guy named Charles Gilliam, his nickname was horse, which leads me to wonder horses. Do not have opposable thumb. Uh-huh. They don't really have. They have hubs not go to basketball. A lot of questions about why someone named Horace would have specific palming skills me. This guy is named after the guy because he could poma basketball big guys were just nicknamed horse. Perhaps a topic for further study that is our show for today. Our producer, Patrick, fort, pashas and subscribe or just go to slate dot com slash hang up, and you can Email us and hang up at slate dot com. If you are still here when entice you to subscribe to the slate plus membership program, I will entice you by noting than in our bonus segment. I plus members we're gonna talk to Nick green, our friend our basketball correspondent. About the notorious. Russell westbrook. Barry, trample beef to end all be travels. Just got a job to do. I mean, that's kind of like the can line that you could given the situation. But it's true. He has to go ask players questions after the games. And if they're not going to answer, it he can't not ask questions of the more. 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Best Of (LeBron's credit, GSW potential, Simmons' Sixers?, Faith in Thunder?)

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Best Of (LeBron's credit, GSW potential, Simmons' Sixers?, Faith in Thunder?)

"Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip, Shannon. Let's go. Here's the thing. We do talk about LeBron a lot on this show. And there is conversation that always seems to go back to a certain moment in the twenty thirteen finals were skip credits. Ray Allen for saving LeBron's legacy with his game tying three in game six where he was asked about this shot yesterday and said it was quote foolish to think it saved LeBron because every title team benefits from contributions from various players LeBron. Of course missed his three point attempt for the time before Allen kept Miami alive long enough to eventually give LeBron his second career, title, Shannon. Are you surprised race said this milk voted through? You know, what I like I like formation because I really got Email, and you know, when you book a flight, I go to Atlanta back and forth, you not fly delta. And I love when he says confirmation, which means I am confirmed. All this book a hotel firestorm. Cork you are. Confer which means I have a room upon my arrival. In other words, what Ray outages did for me is awful confirmation of what I've been saying since it happened. No, Allah will write these all level rate because he saved your. That's so unbecoming. No one wants to talk that when they ended the fourth quarter. The Miami Heat were down ten points. Lebron James scored sixteen he had to assist on threes. So he accounted for the twenty two of the thirty points. They scored in the fourth quarter that was LeBron James to give that context give you remember game six of the Golden State the year. They went seventy three nine and Klay. Thompson was bonkers. He went bonkers had eleven three. He accounted for nineteen points in the fourth quarter for context. Lebron James we're responsible for twenty two of the thirty in. No one ever mentioned that Klay Thompson safe. Steph Curry's bacon. But that's the hurdle that we will get out. I just wanted to throw that out there for contact. Why do you always get changed? But I like context we liked contact. But why do you do get no one mentioned that LeBron James headed triple double in that game? Did you know this did you LeBron James at thirty to eleven and ten and that game in which railing save this bacon and say, so we didn't get to the highlights. What Ray was saying? He said, but Mike Miller had a big three to Mike Mila hit a three with no shoe and play before that run James came down and lost or three. He says without LeBron. We're not even that close. We're not even there you see Ray Allen, just confirm what I said all along any teams what you need teammates. And LeBron James only one not allowed to have teammates because you see no one ever says Adam venit, Terry zave. Tom Brady's bacon. Even though he ticked kick game winning Super Bowl. I'm set up every time he said it up it's not like to an inner seven and then Adam venit. Terry said I'll kick an eighty yard field goal. And we'll win the game. What about LeBron sitting it up by scoring sixteen points? Did he set that up? No moment. It's my Dettori. I'll give give me like thirty seconds. No one ever says Steve Kerr, and Jim Paxson John Paxson saved Michael Jordan, but they hit shots. That's what team makes Duke. And now, I would say he's Rahab thirty five and a triple double. And LeBron only had one three point six points in that game. I will say skip you, absolutely, right. But that would point of order would happen if Steve Kerr and John packs missile shots. What would happen? What would have been the ultimate outcome of those series? Will never know Michael Jordan would one we don't know. It wasn't do or die wasn't game. Oh, yeah. No. I know that we don't I know we don't know. We don't get though. I know you have say he was six it had he not been forced to retire. He'd been eight. No. We will never have got a game seven because he didn't need to go. We don't know this straight in the in the final that's impossible straight allies. One thing about my turn here. Affirmation chance McCarthy. Good. This is laughably sadly absurd. This is Ray Allen saying what he had to say. Do you think rail is gonna sit for a TV interview with Sports Illustrated and say, yeah, I save lebrons legacy. He's not going to say that I've been around Ray. He's a really good guy. Nice guy played for twenty years. He knows how to play the game off the field is allowing cannot take credit for saving somebody's bay issue. Just cannot well he won't he won't. He is class your class. I would love to hear what race as off camera about that right now. I don't think so at all. So let's go back to what really happened because the game really didn't start until about three minutes left though. I must go back to the five minute, Mark. When LeBron did miss a free throw that could've put him up for. And you never know how that would play out. But let's start at the three minute Mark, shall we? In the last three minutes. Lebron James had three turnovers. Think about that this game on. This is season saver here. If you lose his game it's over and my team wins yet another championship as it becomes the dynasty. And yet with three eighteen left. Exactly. Lebron had an offense foul a charge that costs you a turnover then with we all the way to the thirty nine second Mark LeBron just dribbled into a turnover. And the guy who's up in Toronto. Now got the ball. He he got credited with the steel. But LeBron if I just remember like last night feels like last night, he just dribbled ride into that guy. And the ball gets loose them. There we go in by the way that guy got fouled immediately at thirty nine seconds left that went over to up in Toronto to the line. And he missed the first free throw in if he'd made that that would put my team up six with thirty nine seconds left and all of a sudden to score game. Lou, I just don't know could we have hung on with the signal lead. 'cause you couldn't hang on up by three with like. Well, hang. Now, we get to the twenty eight point two second, Mark. So just ten seconds later. Lebron dribbles right into just lose the ball. And even I don't root for LeBron James somehow bet on his team. But in this case, I'm saying you can ask Ernestine I'm saying what what are you doing? What what what like he'd just come? But I'm glad you did it what are you doing that? I'm glad you did it. So I also neglected to mention it the 4._0._1. Mark Ron Missa seventeen foot jumper. And now we go all the way to twenty three seconds left in the game. He missed a three point shot liberate it. And the reason Danny green is now raptor occurred right here. Because he never quite got out of Gregg Popovich's doghouse for what he did next for some reason Danny green who's got a little bit of moon. Man indication where you just say, Danny what are you with us or not he takes off running like he's going to cherry pick Bergen. He's going to try to snowboarder and he did not block out one. Mike Miller who retrieved a long LeBron rebound just like the last one was and he just gives it right back to LeBron. Who's just all alone three three point line? And he made it made it and that cut the lead to to believe. Yes. Cut the lead to two. So now, it comes the things transpire, but we go to the seven point nine second, Mark and LeBron LA Brix three to tie in as soon as it hit the missed it while you gotta say bring so everybody is anybody that misses the three moving board. It's a nobody has longer LeBron rebounds. Lebron James nobody because they Kline so badly that they just blowing. What about Westbrook? Well, we're talking about Braun come on. What are we talking about? Because I want you to stop this. This this notion that will LeBron misses is brick they were sexual events. They're going out to the three point line. So what happens Tim Duncan is not in the game. Don't ask me why they wanted to guard the three point break Popovich, they leg you could argue that guy in Toronto the first guy who say that's his legacy. Go go, I wanna make you. So obviously Chris Bosh allowed to roam free Ginobili tries to contest him for the rebound. But he's only six and he can't leap with Chris Bosh Bosh, very deftly. Just flicks. It right to the corner and rail and Tony Parker. If you look at the video is all over him in the corner. And does a great job of not fouling him. He got up into him as close as he could get without fouling. So you can't guard it any better. And this is the greatest clutch shot in NBA his that was it right there in a soon as that hit nothing but bottom of net. I just fell on them. That I just pick. It was devastating. It was dumbfounded. Because I didn't see it coming as soon as the ball hit the back iron from LeBron. I'm thinking skunk. We got this. And it's over about they had circled the they put up the court on's the rope. Call felt whatever right in VIP of VIP are about to have are about to present the championship trophy to the San Antonio Spurs. And he did that. And you could just see as Popovich said my team just couldn't get up off the why hold on wait a minute. A team coached by Gregg Popovich, one of the three of best coaches in the history of the NBA with Tim Duncan the greatest power forward to ever breed minute nobly. Tony parker. You just admit it was the greatest show. It's hard to recover from the news, especially if you're not at home, you're. On their court in the momentum shifted while Judy. If you don't mind me, maybe you could help me out 'cause my memory fog. Sometimes my memory comes and goes, can you tell me where game one of the NBA finals last year with in Cleveland and Golden State at Golden State. So another words when JR Smith had that snafu and LeBron James like JR, what were you doing? And they win the overtime. Isn't that the same thing? At the end of that game. Lebron James was had been as hot as I've ever seen him from distance. He had the ball in his hand and got the switch. He wanted with little tiny Steph curry it's like Patrick Beverley on Kevin Durant, and he can rise up over Steph curry and shoot basically a free throw line jump shot. And he turns it down in favor of passing to George hill. Who look Giorgio came mrS Schott, Milwaukee you see that. You can't miss a three. You can't put the ball and George hill sans. He's not that guy twice the Spurs gave up on him. I know I know what you say Mr. free throw in the miss that free throw heat a put him up by six. Can you tell the people who missed the free throw before co idea that was well before minimum? No, no, it was on the minute left in the ballgame. Can you tell the people at home because they weren't they they were sleeping late went late into the we yell care. The people that home who missed the free throw before missed. Here's minute Ginobili missed one of two what one of two, but it was the one don't do a magnitude had risen, you know. And I know that was free throw. And by the way, would you believe that guy had shot eighty three percent from the free throw line during the regular season? Eighty percent skill number two. And what people don't talk about. Did you know of a possible? Fifty three minutes overtime ballgame. Lebron James play fifty and gay your trip dome. I guess he just running out of gas at the end of the game all those turnovers. Michelle what happened what happened in overtime? And what happened in game seven tell people at home would have an in game seven that virtuoso. My team didn't show up. What you mean the had the lead? They didn't show up at elite lay the ballgame out of gas. Lebron says, no light great and game seven. I get you. But he knew he was front running and games. Do this. I just noticed this on the video the rail and show LeBron's out at the top of the circle doing this. Yeah. Give me rob another show. I just wished that Bosh pass it on. I just wish I just wish have another chance don't drain that with like. Like with the lucky because there was no you, you know, you're gonna say. No time, but thrown to the phony go. The phony golfing. What about the one that Mike militates down any pass it back to LeBron? And LeBron do with that one that one. Oh, there is no real heat. What would you say this what who or die or as we call it on this show DWI or die? Right. It's do or die mountain dew. All going toward die, Shannon, usually go. The last time a team went into the fourth quarter down by teen. Yeah. In the Boston. I'm not going anywhere. But you got up if LeBron Gada good free throw with five twenty eight left. You're up four that's cruising. You shoulda cruised on. He's the closer. But we know he's not. Is the. He closed that he opens triple dubbing game. He had a dubbing game six virtual so in game seven thirty seven. That's why he averages has the highest scoring average in game seven in beaten a history. So anybody who knows basketball would say right Allen saved LeBron's legacy because without that shot. It just comes down to that moment that shot without that shot. Lebron James is two and seven and what about the? What about the so did Malcolm Butler say Tom Brady's legacy? No because he's got six. No, he wouldn't have six. So we're gonna take the Malcolm Butler pick away. We're gonna take to field goal. But have Avila Terry. He's three and six now. He's three set up the fields each oak. Did he commit turnovers like LeBron? Did did. He miss John. Whoa. Whoa. No. No. He didn't. I mean, Tom Brady played great all the vegetarian. He didn't play. Great. He played all time. Great. The lavar didn't play great. He was flawless in all three how many Viteri games where there too. Oh, he was. He was. He was he was he was lawless. He was flawless in. That gives the ram Florida ornery wasn't at dry Abeille four quarters. Go back and look at it. So he can look at this zoo member John man's up there, saying take the ball out of the kids hands. Just shut it down a play for overtime to completion. Completion completion completion field goal. You know with this is where you and I separate bring you. And now we walking down the road. But this where you go left and go right because every time that Tom Brady is always if a moment Tom Brady did this in a moment. You never say LeBron did anything in a moment. No less. He has fifteen points in the first second third and fourth quarter. Lebron cannot have a moment. Cannot have a two or three minute theories where he goes bonkers. But he look at the turnovers that hair he missed two free. Throws the truth. Is you go left, and I always go right though. That's the point. I always go right though. I'll make a little in another Lempicka right back to the writing ashamed that I'm having to defend Tom Brady in the same. Same sentence with LeBron James because Tom Brady has six rings on six game winning drives. That's that's Jordan measure. That's beyond what you were the only been two six to nine what happened with three. Well. Yeah. Second. He had a game winning drive with two minutes left against the law, and then the ram game winning drive the game winning drive if you lose he gave him moving drive this. Defense. They say about Malcolm Butler did he from Russell Wilson. Do you realize Tom Brady against the legion of boom in the fourth quarter four hundred twenty four yards and two touchdowns just in the fourth quarter. So he had done everything he could do to get them to that URL Tom tall lay room Kamchatka had a torn meniscus. Richard Sherman had a torn elbow ligament. They had lost their top two corners would have broken and Shannon Sharpe. Always tells me if you step on that field. You have no injury. Do this get. Oh, good. You have no excuse. Did they not have those torn those ligament have no idea? Then do I to me, you know, what? They're getting lit up by little element and little amendola. You know were getting lit up by twelve. No. That's not the here, nor there Ray hit is the man that was in the arena has spoken. I did not save. Lebron James legacy confirmation. Do you want me? Get put ball bowler that we're gonna ball mother thorough investigation. You know? Kevin Durant led the warriors to an easy game. Three win over the clippers last night. Katie responded to see curse challenge to be more aggressive leading the warriors with thirty eight points. This was after dren only shot the ball eight times during the game to collapse. Durant certainly appear to be motivated by something. But after the game he continued to insist there was no extra fuel to his fire. Take a listen. For twelve years. Thirty two only show. Nobody nothing at this point. I think a lot of people who are the game who analyzed game thought that I should be engaging in a one on one physical battle whatever that is to other people would Patrick Beverley. I don't I don't do that type of stuff. I just play. So that's why I was trying to let people know by f s one NBA analysts, of course, Burr soured. Good to have. What did K D show you last night? He showed me when I say in a few days ago that I've always believed about Kevin Durant says he's been in the league, he's unguardable and as much credit as Patrick Beverley deserves for the first two games. And he was great. The fact is Durant was limiting himself by only taking eight shots. If you go. And here's the thing with Durant. If you go back to the last two months of the season all the March and April for some reason wasn't shooting is much. He went from nineteen shots game. So fourteen shots again. And I don't know why nobody else's shot stopped his last. He gave an eloquent reason for his struggles. In the first two games. It was it was basketball savvy. It was it was great insight. It was right about the refs leading Beverly get into more. But the key phrase to what he said was. I'm Kevin Durant. Y'all know who I am and yes. And that's my point. You are Kevin Durant. We can't have you been a role player. We can't have you taken twelve shots. Eight shots. We need you to go out there and be the star. And so that's what Steve Kerr was trying to get him. And last night. That's what he did. And what I liked about it most was the way. He did. It was he didn't do it with over dribbling. He didn't do it with too much eyeso-. If you look at last year Houston in that in that series. There were they baited him with their switching defense into going one on one a lot and ice. Oh in a got Golden State out of his office and almost lost the series in large part because of that yesterday. It was post up. It was one or two dribble. Pull up it was catching shoot. And when he does that. I mean, it didn't take away from anybody else. Like, he was fantastic. And you just need. Kevin durant? To be Kevin Durant. Like, you said, he's Kevin Durant. Then beat that. Don't be a role player via star Kevin retinue show me anything that already know. He's unguarded. He the unique. He the unique talent because we never seen the guy. That's this tall this scaled that can do what he can do most of them who coming up they played with the back to the basket. They couldn't step out to the three point line dirt. Brought that in as simple Dirk can't put the ball on the floor like this guy. Can he can put the ball on the floor and go to the whole he ungodly? So he didn't show me anything. He can scoring anybody. I like that. He let the game come to him. He was aggressive. But nothing was forced you know, the difference between the I'm being aggressive and you force bad shots. Yeah. He had a couple of heat check because he's feeling good. He wanted to see how far is ranch could be pushed out, but Kevin Durant. Let the game come to him. And so even when they posted him skill that imposed him down the block they posted him at the top of the key. So now and the. Clippers like bra if you wanna be facilitated go here, that's not you. Lebron impact the game by passing the ball. You impact the game by scoring the ball. So we'll take that. We'll let you. We'll let you take eight nine shots a game. And you wanna have twit ten twelve six have it. But the way Kevin Durant gut you is by the mid range putting it on the floor. And if you watch them in transition last night skip he he went to the rim a couple of times. But he pulled up fifteen he followed up put back and one. Kevin Durant plays. Like, look he plays like this. Oh, yeah. Well, go might have to concede that he best player. But as Chris layer two months, he's taking fourteen shots per game as opposed to nineteen and we did see the first two games. So until we see more this because we know what he represents. He is Kevin Durant. The most scale player that we've seen especially at putting the ball in the hole Sam tall ten put apex on his jump shot. God all that. So he didn't show you anything that you didn't already know skill by the way quick point of order. I do remember them on one fast break. I think it was game. Three two years ago pulled up in the three point line. Yes. It was gardening. Ex-team? He would what LeBron on field. What he likes to do is the hazy new light. And then go by MO he saw LeBron thinking anticipating that he pulled up Kim. I gave him credit. What you want me to? We're not talking about that yawn said I'm the best player on the planet because that was the kings house that was the first time they've wrote through with Kevin Durant to win and his first finals MVP out of two straight. So Chris, Bruce, I have closely observed Kevin Durant for a long time, and I found him often baffling perplexing con pounding because I've never quite figured him out because he's never quite figured himself out. He still suffers an identity crisis of who am I I came to Golden State to play beautiful basketball share the basketball unselfish basketball. And then to your point he after a while he wants to be a cog in the system. No, no, no. You're the system. You are the guy. Draymond green was crying in the parking lot calling you on a cellphone after losing game seven because they realized that group couldn't do it without one more based nuclear weapon phase. Okay. Did you? Drop a triple double. So I have told you for two years. Kevin Durant is now the best player on the planet. But I have conceded an asterisk to that. Which is when he decides to be because he doesn't always decide to be last night. He decided to be it was a little bit of an indictment for Kevin Durant that he needed the media to push button because the media pushes button last night. He he reads everything he's the thinnest skin superstar ever. It doesn't seem to really thwart him in any way. He not on the court. That's why I mean, he rises above it on the court, but he reads absorbs and takes to heart every little speck of criticism and this got him. And he's saying, you know, me people to analyze basketball winter meeting gauge with Patrick no we wanted you to engage with the game. How about just engage dried your Patrick Beverley up? Right. You shoot do. But bust them all up, and then I loved his, quote, you're reading about the I'm Kevin Durant. But he said, I'm not gonna get in the way the. Game because I wanna have a little back and forth with Patrick. Beverley? No, no, Kevin. You are the game. You can't get in the way because you're you're in right. They're going to go as far as he takes them in the end Steffes trims all time. Greatest shooter. Clay canby streaks? And dream on dream on. He can be the guts and the glue. But, but we know when push comes to shove, it's thirty five or bus in. So last night there a little bit of trouble against the clippers. They know the clippers see said, we know they're gonna come out with a lot of energy, which they did. And what did he do to their energy? He just shot it. He makes his first five shots. I got twelve points of the quarter and the game's over it's forty one to twenty four ballgame right guy. Like that can score the basketball. You don't won't James harden to go five or five you don't won't step in these guys like Katie to go. It's over what they see the ball go in the basket like that. You got no chance of stopping. Okay. So kevin. He's had the shoop campaigns and my nice, Kevin or am. I not nice who am I don't know who I am. Am I tough guy? Rem I really good guy. I don't know who I am. Because some days he's that guy and some days he's that guy, and my friend the mean streets of seat pleasant Maryland or an entrepreneur in silicone valley. I'm all of the above right? He'll wake up on a daily basis. Like today. I feel like I'm that guy day. What is the confrontational with the media? That's what he is most. I've said to Kevin because he'll text you when need unlike something you you say, oh, yeah. Yeah. He'll tax you. He'll let you he will and asset to him when the guy on Oklahoma City is different. Like now since you've been Golden State, cursing more calling out the rest more going, and he told me he said, this is the real Kevin Durant. The guy. No, casey. I was just being trying to you know, what I needed to save the median glow because he'll curse I didn't. You know candidate, you know, bible. You buy whether you bite or not. That's what he that's what he told his this is the real K D. Okay. And I don't know. Like, I said it wasn't just the first two games. This is gone on the last two months. I don't know. A remember even said it in his his little spiel the other day for the last two months. We've been playing this way. Well, he's been playing that way. Steph shots having gone down clay's haven't gone down. I don't know if Katie was trying to get boogie more involved his shots when a little, and this is why do think that I think they'll be fine. Maybe better without boogie. No, no offense to him because he is really good individual. You can have too much, right? Like, he giving it to boogie takes away from K D And staff and clay. So now, I think it'll be more fluid with the three of them sharing a ball, and they should be able to row. I don't care if you go into the, but he could have went to a back and forth 'cause he could have got up twenty shots and go into get into a back and forth. Like, Ben Simmons got into it with Jared Dudley yesterday skill and he wasn't, you know, he, hey, I'm just going to do what I do. And then at the end of the day, we don't count it up. So we've got the most points, right? We're talking about it. Bottom line. Steve Kerr two days ago said Kevin Durant can get any shot. He wants at any time period that could do that James Horne can get into shot. He wanted anytime. Lebron James could get any shot. He wanted anytime. Steve curry breaking news get like, he wanted interrupt normal schedule program to break this news here into can get any shot. He won't eight foot jump shots. That are unstoppable. Three point shots are stoppable, especially when LeBron or LeBron shoe, you go let let his growing here, we see the specialist trying to their growing Basel. We got some somebody your next year buddy go into that physical therapists in Beverly Hills. He's off the team. Ways. Core pool is not a bus ways. Core pool is not a taxi ways. 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Looked pretty dire for the Sixers last night when Joel Embiid was ruled out of game three with a sore knee just minutes before tip. But Ben Simmons made sure there was nothing to worry about. He led the way with thirty one points and seven assists and made eleven of thirteen shots. This came after Jared Dudley said Simmons was just average in the half court. But after the game Simmons denied any extra motivation and said any feud with Dudley it's over with Shannon. What did Ben Simmons show you last night? If you don't keep them have to paint you have gonna have addict trying to stop him skip. And they was lagging off him so bad because they don't they don't respect his ability to shoot the ball outside. He doesn't wanna shoot the ball outside where they gave him a head of steam become downhill at him. He is sixteen if you stand in the lane, and you let him get ahead of steam. He's gonna either dunk on you or lay the ball over the top of you those are two options do. Eleven of thirteen Levin of thirteen eleven those shots came into half court, set only two came in transition. He was nine eleven from the free throw line. Ben Simmons phenomenal talent. And I told you yesterday skip I believe J Diller the way to the series before he said what he said. Of course, guys skip you or saying Ben Simmons is averaged ball player is some is one thing a current NBA player saying that is something entirely different. Of course, he's going to take that personal. Of course, he's going to come in. And again, I say this. I believe once the net once they saw Joel Embiid. Yeah. Because his greatest been Simmons played Joel Embiid is their best player. The tendency is when the best player goals out you relax. No, you can't do that. And Ben Simmons took it upon himself to play down. He'll to get everybody involved. And they played extremely well. But. If you let him get in the paint. Yup. Six put you in trouble is a simple as that. Because these shoot a shot outside. He didn't shoot a ten put jumper. He didn't shoot a three all of his points were in the lane layups or dunks. Okay. So this topic is just like our opening topic of this show. I asked previously. Why did it take the media to push Kevin Durant button? Why did it take Jared Dudley to push this kid's butts? This is only a second NBA season. So let's let's be a little patient. But I'm gonna remind everybody because I know Jared Dudley very well. He's been in this league for twelve years. He was once upon a time the ACC player of the year Austin college. So he was no joke in college basketball conference in America. You could certainly make that case historically. Yes. And Jared Dudley has started to hundred eighty five NBA games played in thirty one games. So he's been around. He knows how the game is played off the floor. And you said he should have waited. I believe there was method to this madness because Jerry Dudley's mostly very PC with what he said. Yes, I think he decided that this kid is psychologically vulnerable if not week. Let's. Go for the throat because we're going home for two games with at one to one and we've got them on the ropes and maybe on the run. So let's just go for it here in let's put the pressure in the onus on him. And he didn't know Joel wasn't going to be able to play obviously. Right. But we had Michael Rapaport on this show yesterday, basically trying to incite a riot. That was a hostile environment. Would I can't hear via TV everything it's being screamed at Ben Simmons? But you know, and I know it got vicious Ryan thought posted the poster outside missing poster. Yes, very clever very clever right on tech kindle Jenner. If you sit right. Okay. So, but it was what it was deserved. It was it was warranted. Because he's asking for that. But he got it right between the eyes and then he gave it back. Yes night. And the reason I was so highly impressed was that was hard. What he did? He's here in all kinds of taught ridicule from the first three rows. And remember. They went right up. Let's go to the end of the game. They went to hack a been at the end of the game because they don't respect him at all. And they hacked him the first time he missed the first two free those which the only two that he missed and then they hacked him again, and he made to and they hacked him again any made to and I don't like the way shoots because it's like sideways, he turns his left hand this way. And yet he made nine out of eleven, and I believe he will them in like out of anger. He tried to dismiss Jared Dudley at the shoot around yesterday like saying come on. It's Jared Dudley. Well, no, it's the guy's legit then around he's played out. He knows what he's talking about. And by the way, Jared Dudley is a career thirty nine percent three point shooters kind kinda knows something about shooting. The basket. What new player skill? What new players say, regardless of the sport players know, they know so now so a thirty nine percent career three point shooter was going after a kid who's owed for eighteen. From three in his whole career been Simmons has never even made one three point shot in his career. So we know and he was a fifty sixty percent free throw shooter this year. So he's kind of Lonzo like malign. Right. So for him to step up in. I don't know if they turning point, but it was eight turning point in the series in that game with no Joel Embiid and make nine of eleven and then in the half court, not not in transition, which was Jared's point. But in the half court, he just terrorized them. Right. They're playing slow. But okay, I'm a big Joel Embiid fan. You are too. I'm saying he's the new beast of these postal LeBron. But last night, they look like a different team without Joel Embiid because the ball was moving and people were moving in the lane was unclogged. No. So ball with the big name. That's the thing those give because because he plays with his back to the basket. The majority of the time he's needs to be close to the lane. Yeah. That makes it very hard for Ben Simmons to do what he did last night. Because. There's no traffic there Nozoe. Now. He's not he's out of the game. You can space the floor. And then getting the ball that the free throw line. They're not even a bony. Yeah. And so now he takes one dribble crosses over. He the lane. Yep. And what does he do very well highest level? He can pass the bath. He's got the gift the passing gift, so he had nine assists last night. And when he gets in the lane, he's causing problems because even Greg Monroe can standard of the basket wide open and dunk it exactly. Until by his hairs got some buddies from him on just because everybody's trying to keep Ben Simmons from the William would if in plus two by got hot. He did. So he outside. He didn't miss a three. So now he gives he gives you twenty nine and sixteen skip JJ ready gives you twenty six. So if you're gonna go eleven fifteen oh that team whoever you play if you have two players, go Levin fifteen from three point line. Yeah. Oh, the other teams losing. Okay. So I am not for one second trying to. Say they're better without Joel Embiid because they're just not in Boston. They're better without now. They're not I'm sorry fool yourself. But I thought last night was also great for Joel to be forced to have to sit there in the front row. So to speak on the bench in watch this unfold, and maybe made him sit back and wonder. And then once they wanna play game without me. Wow. Oh, maybe I maybe I should they should take this little more serious. Right. Skip is not very many playoff team specially playing that. Now, he's going to come back and play that you want to gain without your best Platon. I don't believe to Ronald going. I don't believe Toronto's beaten, Orlando qua. Why? Point though. No, I don't believe that. So it's not I'm not sure they're going to beat him with don't do you try to do that that's becoming. I can't even believe you do that. But let me tell you what it does skill. I'm rooting for. I know what you. It does something to eagle it does. To know that your team can win without you. Yeah. And this moment a regular season games. That's one thing. But we put value, regardless of the sport on playoff victim. And they got a playoff win against the team. A good team not saying that, you know, they made eighty eighty six a failed ticks, but they're good team. And they won a game without you. But if Ben Simmons is going to play with this age because I yeah, he had a Madge, but he wasn't out of control, and you go let him go come down. He'll legal let him play down. He'll and you'll let him finish at the rim with a dunk or layup. What you got this? What you're gonna get. Yeah. And by the way, when he said in the shoot around come on. It's it's just Jared Dudley. Didn't look like it was just Jared deadly wound. They're out on the court together. Because when Jared did airball three he's he's doing this. Like, see I told you what about them? Don't forget. He mean, he mean bug into the crowd. He looked like what? And he was. Scoff inside and giving side item, you're Dudley. Right. So I think he got him all of a sudden Ota play the players know ask the players. Okay. We ask a place where we didn't ask him. He bothered information skill. So he said this. But now you're gonna just county you can discount us on. What is he? No. He didn't play. He never dribble basketball, the MBA yada, yada, yada. Jerry doesn't have your being film room study. What he said. Yeah. We'll be mad at me be mad at him. He took it out. He's been on like twelve teams. But that's that's a good thing. And what we're talking about. He's been around because they valuing they do because he's three Indy. He can. So Gregg Popovich had a great quote once upon a time he said, you must play in big playoff games with the appropriate. Fear like appropriate fear, meaning you play scared but good scare right last night. Philly played good scare with appropriate. The're. They played with. I think an urgent desperation because they knew they were up against it at Barclays center. Right. And they were stood early run by the now because got out good. They got. And I think they knew skip you can't you can't afford to go down to one another game in this building. So now, they rust wrestled court back away from the news, and it gave Embiid an opportunity to rest because you don't wanna put him you need to try to end this as quick as you can to get your beat. And because the father you go he can't be missing games in the second round skip. And he governs. Governor final. He definitely can't miss a game. But I don't know if that's his call. I mean, I just think he's hurt. Probably say he needs much as he can because it's not winning without him. You can start and the further you advance you not winning without your best player. Yeah. I hear you. So here's what we saw from Ben Simmons last night eleven of thirteen shots. Nine of eleven free. Throws nine assists in three block shots. That's big time. Yeah. Right. I'm going to ask this again. We're has that been so to speak before been whereas that been why did it take Jared Dudley to get that out or why did it take Barclays on the road to get that out of you? Why can't you do that on a pretty much a nightly basis? Why don't you play with that kind of urgency or edge as you call it every night would would because that's what the greats. Do. Lebron always plays the way different lately. But Drew's prime. He played every game. He just brought it. He was going to be LeBron Kobe was always going to have MAMBO mentality. And trust me, the real Twenty-three up in Chicago every night. It didn't matter who it was. It didn't matter. No, the real Twenty-three doing that on. We're about to talk about the. Oh. You better. So unbecoming new. It's not it's so becoming. Because you hope that LeBron becomes that. He just won't that. But what you mean? Because when is well the point is been Simmons can become something really special like he can become an all time. Great. But how did that feel can you carry that feeling into game four because this ain't over do? They think it's over your funded by one you talk about heat. He could become LeBron is already a butterfly. Why do the hope he could become a Caterpillar? He's already been a butterfly. Yes. Okay. I'll give you butterfly. He plays like. That saw what I'm saying? He already going this. Okay. He's already gone there. You talk about a federal route around about. Ooh, I wish I could be a Caterpillar been there done that hated it. Really? Yeah. He was a Caterpillar Jordan was never Jesse was never had don't you know, what he was born alive. He was alive. A lion code do any became wrangle. All right now. Right before tip off in Brooklyn last night. While Embiid was ruled out of game three with a sore knee. But the Sixers still had been Simmons. He led the way with thirty one points and seven assists, and he made eleven of thirteen shots this came after Jared Dudley said Simmons was just average in the half court. But after the game Simmons denied any extra motivation and said any feud with deadly is over with Christmas art is still with us. So Chris, what are the Sixers show you without dwelling on new dated need oil to beat Brooklyn. Okay. They still got three all star players Benson or caliber all-star caliber players Tobias Harris, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons. They will need him be to win the next round against Toronto to have any chance or really winning that round. But last night. Let's let's just focus on Ben Simmons because he was the story and what I saw from him. We've taught we all know about his lack of jump shot, but he can do everything else. Everything else. He's a good defender. He can post up he even through a sky hook you laugh. He can get into lane. The key for been Simmons is his aggressiveness. You you talk about. He can't shoot that's a liability in today's game. But on the flip side the floor is more spread than ever in today's NBA and so driving lanes or there. So he can until he gets a jumper. He can overcome his lack of a j by being aggressive getting into the paint. And if they wall him off he can find the open shooters because he's such a great path. So he was terrific and last night without Embiid. The lanes were just wide open. Because usually you got Embiid in there and you go through him. So the game plan was different to even when you had a Senator in a Greg Monroe. Bo Bon the game plan isn't to go through them to jail. So it was more wide open for Simmons to do what he does. And he was tremendous. And I've said it, and I do stay. By Embiid and Simmons are not yet mature enough to lead them deep into the playoffs in my view. Maybe Simmons's maturing before is. 'cause I love the fact that with the fans in Philadelphia going at him with the media going at him with Jared Dudley calling him out with this. You know, the little signs the missing jump shot signs that were outside in Brooklyn outside of Reno with all day, he answered the go. He's show the dog any, but I need you to have that dog in you every night, especially in the playoffs every single playoff game. You have to have it. He didn't have it in game one. There are times he'll willingly just let himself kind of be a bystander even when he gets close to a triple double or big numbers. He doesn't put his imprint on a game. He's good enough to put his imprint on the game every night. That's what he did last night. He needs to do it at least every playoff game. Would you look at this game? Skip we live in LA close to the. Full five the full five doesn't seem nearly as crowded with those eighteen wheelers not hogging up on traffic. You know, it get crowded regarded skill. But when eighteen wheelers not out there. It's not nearly as crowded, and that's what Joel Embiid. And so the lane he him being the ballgame. It's open, but you know, what else opened up the lanes Tobias Harris go and fix for six from the three JJ Riddick hitting those three. So now you can't clog off so you're trying to catch him. Because you like why am I gonna pressure about where he not gonna pull up unit? So you trying to catch him and you letting him get ahead of steam. Well, they seem JJ hit that three. They seem to buy hit those three. So now, they're less less apprehensive to help you right now he's able to finish at the rim either over the top or Dunkin on your head. So if you're right transition, he only had two baths to make baskets in transition only took two but in half court said if you let him run down he'll and he's gonna people forget he thinks ten and a half. He's not in six one point car. He thinks ten so he's going to be able to finish over them to everybody in the NBA. He's got touched when he finished, and he competed with either hand can't I mean, people I sometimes I pick you shoot the free throws right handed but shoes eleven so I don't really know. What he he could either hand he can throw the ball into the basket. Getting that the difference was last night. Yes. He was aggressive. But when guys are gonna make those shots, and you can't help him off because he is a sixteen point guard. So he knows how to pass the basketball out of the double team. So they let him one on one. He put his tomb ever had him one on one in the basketball. So last night was everything we've all wanted to see from Ben Simmons. It was a tour divorce. This is really only a second year. But that was rare last night I seen a lot of that. From Ben Simmons over time that was more of a blip than a trend. I'm might even suggest that was an anomaly, right? Like, it's it's an exception to the rule. The rule has been no dogging him not enough dog in him. What did I sit and say that whole year he was at LSU point low motor care. Does he stand on the side? You guys do it. And it felt like because he got stuck at Baton Rouge for year because straight they don't make you wait. Come here, and you have to wait a whole year pro basketball and cash your first check, I don't know. So the point is that it took Jared Dudley Dudley to flip his switch last night for the first time, and he got really slipped and I loved what I saw. It was highly impressive. Maybe it took everybody flipping switch. Maybe it took. You criticize him me. Criticizing the world criticizing the Sixers fans starting to turn on him in going to Brooklyn into hostile environment as you could ever experience with a missing poster out on a pole outside who saw a couple of those. I'm sure he did. And you don't think they were all over him last night with Redick you'll that that is unspeakable, and they even resorted at the end of the game to hack in because he's a sixty percent free throw shooter. And he missed his first two and had the guts to step back up there. Two more times and make both four for his last four nine for eleven that that's guts to me that showed you what he can do win challenge. What about when he's not challenge? What about when it's just free and easy. And it's just another game to him. Does he care enough or disease only care if somebody really checks in same approach Joel Embiid in the lineup? Maybe he took me out. I can make the case obviously, the Sixers better without joylin be. No. But can been Simmons be better without Joel Embiid. I can make a case. Yes. Well, when he gets a jump shot and be it'll be great together. Then we'll have to always go into post and force him. Out. But until then and if he never gets jumps on Philly may have to make an decision eventually because NB health may always be a problem. Oh, who can we say with certainty that four or five years from now joylin MBA going to be a monster and killing go, and you could I'm not I would not break them up right now. There's no way they're too young led them both grow let them develop together. But you could certainly make an argument that you could build around Ben Simmons as your big into days MBA because he can post he can scoring oppose it you do if you shoot some shots. But but the aerobically. Let's be honest. You could feel radically play him just like Milwaukee plays Jaanus, you if you put four shooters around him and have been Simmons bring the ball up, and he can either drive or post he can pass out. Like you said teams today the defense is don't help because you have to stick on the shooter's we rather get a two to three but with his ability to get into lane and finish. That's a that's tough. It's a tough choice to mate with. Here's the thing. What we starting to see John? This is Johnny Jaanus is starting to take three. He's starting. The middle men Fagor at it. Then he will not even tell elicits shot clock running down or the last segment of a quarter or half. That's the only time he's going to tempt two three for eighteen in his career. He's never made one three right? Last night. I had to watch Yokich to sit out there and just rip them like their free throws made three seventy that's going to be the key for him. He's gonna create he's going to have to develop shell question suing. No this some right? This is it you brought it up. Does. He have that dog and killer in him. I saw fire and desire last night. I've never seen from him. But it was inspired by Jared Dudley. So you and I part ways on this one. You think that your Dudley should shut his mouth until the series was the do in either Jared Dudley has been around so long on so many teams twelve years in this league? One time ACC player of the year at BC. I think he saw an opening that this kid to him appear to be psychologically fragile and he. Went for the throat. Well, he's great in transition. But he's average in the half court because he wanted to plant more doubt in his brain making play out of character making out of sorts. And instead he rose to the Cajun. Of course, he scoffed at shoot around yesterday come on. It's Jared Dudley. Well, then on the court he's saying Jere deli airballs at three and he goes here is. I so clearly he was well aware of what was going on. I understand that you know, he saw to his man this, but just because the doors open doesn't mean you walk in there. It might be a trap. Okay. Well last night, it was a trap. It actually worked to their favor that in Beed had to sit the all the sudden the whole onus the whole focus went on Benson. And in fairness Assim Simmons game to within be there. He did the same thing. He didn't score thirty one set the tone with his aggressiveness fifty one. And do you think the nets underestimated because in be was not gonna play like without their best player? They can't beat us. Possibly they're young first time on this stage. Yeah, I could definitely see D ngelo. Russell your leader. Look there people around the league that will tell you about been Simmons that he's more interested in being a celebrity, and I wanna be a star. But yeah, then a superstar he's gonna look LeBron his ICTY. He's got a not a bad. Not not. No, no big. But I'm saying that's what people say about being bins Ghana recognize, and I know clutch rich are telling him the way to become this icon, this cultural icon, this celebrity is to be the greatest basketball player you can be. And he's got a focus on that. You're right. His motor has been in question. And the question is is he going to be a Magic Johnson type killer because magic at that killer. Even though he was smiling and on stuff smaller. Izzy is the Andrew Wiggins who Andrew Wiggins has nights like this where he'd shows you. You know, every we know now what we is. Okay. But Andrew Wiggins is more athlete than basketball player to me this kid can pal. He's got he's got it all, but if he doesn't bring the energy every night and the attitude of I'm gonna put my imprint on his game. I'm going to dominate this game. Then it'll it'll fluctuates magic killer about. What we will boy imagining you do this to me right after they. This would a boat. Keep it going game for tomorrow afternoon in Brooklyn, Chris. Have you? Well, it is pretty much a must win for Russell Westbrook and the thunder tonight, they're back home. After losing the first two games in Portland. Russ may just five of his twenty shots in game two. And after that game said, quote, I take full responsibility for tonight's loss. Because the way I played was unacceptable on the other side. Damian Lillard has been great averaging almost thirty points per game in this theory, so Shannon. What shot did you give to win this series Vegas small shot? But I'm gonna give them a chance because they still have to all star to all India players, Paul, George Rosa Westbrook's. And if you really look at it if you look at it for player for player, they might be more talented Portland because Stephen Adams is better than the me. Do you like you like you like grant or you like heartless? So when you look at you start getting peeling back layers, but I think the thing is he just can't help themselves get he can't help himself and let the game come to him. He wants to insert himself and beat. The deciding factor in the outcome of the ball game. And he is most times, but not in the way that he had hoped because he shooting bad bad shots. Yeah. I hear you. I'm gonna stick with Oklahoma City to win this series it it's probably going to go seven. But that means Oklahoma City is going to have to win three games at home, and that will be hard. But I think they're highly capable in Vegas definitely thinks they're highly capable because they are a seven and a half point favorite tonight. Russell Westbrook will play possess tonight. Snl? I said that the other day his problem is he tries to hard. No one plays harder. Sometimes you try to hard. Okay. So can he back off a little bit? Can he channel his rage into beautiful basketball? I don't know. But when this team is right. It can be really really, right? Paul George sits. I don't love him sitting on the bench with big ice bags on his shoulders, healthy the show. I don't know. I have no idea. But. I don't know seems to be able to shoot it pretty cleanly. They go as he scores and defense. Russell is obviously the engine but the score and the primary defender is Paul George. So if you're telling me that he's got some shoulder issued that is really hampering him, then all bets are off. But remember they were favored to win the series as the six seed over the three before Vegas. They were the favorite, and I like them and I picked them, and I'm going to stick with it is an uphill. It's way. Uphill. I got losing six. The question is are they going to be able to solve that puzzle which CJ McCollum and Daimler averaging fifty eight points between the two of those? And they seem that they always do. Okay. Got no chance you can't stop that. You gotta shut that off. That's your only chance you really have to shut off all the rest of it. You can't have Innis Kanner coming in and just doing you can't really do anything again to he did have twenty eighteen game. But when you let CJ goes for thirty three, and then you let go for twenty nine you got no chance I've seen him. Both go for big numbers and lose games because it's just Golden State. Yeah. Against your right? But in the end Stephen Adams needs to play big because he's a huge man who can play big and Jeremy grant. Yeah. He he's like, a borderline all-star talent. You know, he's got that much body can protect on ram shoot two three. And listen Schreuder was a shrewd pickup for that team. Because he can really light it up coming off the bench and he had a bad game game. They cooking him. Yeah. Dame, giving it to a point guard Dame giving it to. Yeah. Tonight is a big game for Russell Westbrook. Maybe even for his legacy. We talked about this the other if they lose this game. And then they just sort of go up in flames, and maybe get swept this would look really bad for Russell Westbrook because it would discount three. Straight years of triple doubles because it'd be easy forever. I sit back and say what a second that's three straight years you've flamed out here. I exactly so the value. Yeah. Got him got him into the playoffs. But he's going. He's getting bounced as these historic seasons in the first round. Yeah. Especially you got Paul George and you're getting you've been bounced twice with Paul George who by the way, remember in the close out game six at Utah. He scored one field goal and that was mid first quarter. And that was the last field goal. He scored in the game. Really? Okay. Joe? Oh now, he's yours fault. Again. I thought I thought he was balling, George W like Paul George you had him in the MVP discuss had him leading the. But I just go night tonight. I say what I see. And I was seeing a guy who had taken over the lead in the but that was about six weeks back. And then I think he hurt his shoulder. I don't know how. But that's what they kept saying. Nick finish. But I like James harden new questionnaires Russ was going to be a stat line. He's probably going to have a triple double. But really be officiant. Yeah. Well, he's been in the playoffs without Kevin Durant. He is averaged six turnovers a game. It's hard to win when you average six turnover. It's just too many gonna leak because what happened to the ball overs. Give you have a lead you allow team to get back into ballgame without giving you opportunity put the ball up against the rim. So with that being said, he just needs to take better care of. But he needs to he needs to shoot the ball better. Yeah. All shots aren't good shots. You're not this great shooter and your score not shooter that I understand the determine the shooter shoot. But that's not what Russ is. Yeah. I promise you he'll be even more possessed tonight. Because of what happened last night at Staples Center because his ex teammate was the talk of the NBA once again last night. Kevin durant? It hurts in it eats atoms. Get not a bit. He's not a good player. Kevin durant? Why would that eat at you time Oklahoma City management decided he was Rome middle flat wrong? Bad Rome DA, Rome. He just needs to be careful. Not to do too much rustling counterplay, Katie. I do not. But it again, do I love the way he plays with that crazed rage. I do and win again when this teams, right? It's good. It's better than. Thank you. For listening to the speeded podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Keep an eye out for the weekend edition of the podcast tomorrow morning, featuring this week's best segments have a great weekend. Everyone. Of of one.

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Not That Different

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Not That Different

"Hey it's dan. Patrick here to tell you about the dan patrick school. The sportscasting up teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting. Bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports so you can connect with audiences no matter where they are or how they're tuning in learn more about full sail university. Dan patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot edu slash espn. Pardon the interruption. But i'm mike wilbon. Tony in new zealand. Woman was arrested for trying to smuggle acci in her clouds. I'm tony kornheiser. Ever put a cactus down your pants. No knock pleasant and neither. That's a bogus phone fake news. I don't believe that for one second. Look you've been on the golf course at arizona. You get too close to those jumping choya. What happens to know they reach out to believe this newsy lalonde remember. Don't remember mary. Tyler moore a little song dance. Matatus stay on your pants. And i think i deserve asthma. Free about this cactus. What's different welcome. Pti boys and girls in today's episode questions about the nba's all star plans beef. Between jared being paul george and a toss up between rob gronkowski and travis kelsey but we begin today with brett farve once again talking. This time it was to yahoo and five said to shawn watson should onerous contract with houston farve said and i quote get paid a ton of money to a certain job and just do it and let the chips fall where they may. I think we make too much money voice an opinion but i'm not saying he's wrong again. It's a different day and time uncorked figure that one out watson's agent replied quote. Brench should probably stop throwing stones from that glasshouse. He's sitting in unquote. Yeah we who saudi one we should have had a sound effect of gra- glass breaking brett. Farr who is last eight to ten years in the nfl did nothing but wake up and cause drama. That's all brett farve. Did far requested trades in his life. Then he whitney retired and he come back and he's unretired. What his job back. Are you kidding me. But i'm not angry at this tony because brett farve in my experience and i think yours to. He's one of those guys that you put suggestion out there or out there. He'll go either way if somebody is said brit. Don't you think that the shawn watson getting hosed by the houston organization he said yeah that's right the shut up and trade 'em brett farve will say anything so i'm just not i'm loud right now but i'm not going to get worked up over brett farve in the inconsistencies of his perspective so brett farve at the moment is a giant burr in the saddle of the united states of america. He talks about every single thing every single day. Good he talks about you. Know what it is that copper sleeve put it over his mouth. Because he's talking about aaron rodgers and he's talking about the shawn watson and i believe he just recently said that jacksonville's should not draft trevor lawrence should take devante smith it's like it's like breadth for right now. He's anchored to radio row and as you say will say anything about anybody and yeah he. He retired and unretired twice two different teams. I got. I got this one note that i wanted to tell you about when he says it's a different day and time line. And the implication. Mike is that players now aren't respect for they're not compliant. They're not good citizens. But let's go back for while. It's forty years ago when john elway playing from baltimore. That's right it's twenty years ago when he said i'm not playing for the giants so so it's always you know what sworn watson has the same rights that brett farve did. Listen the reason why. I'm not getting worked up five just wakes up and says what am i going to say. He's doing a podcast radio. Yours like remember who wrote. The columnist said scatter shooting while pouring wall. Who wrote that report black. He said okay. Busy ken bridge far is just. This is the new form of scattered shooting while promoting icy hot. That's the thing is is what is the far. What's he promote. You just kind of leaves anything else you know. Yeah columnists leaves you and few now think. That's what i'm saying lakers reserve. Jared dudley has a problem with clippers star. Paul george last season. George told the nba tv. He thought he and kawhi leonard with duo in the nba now in a book entitled inside the nba bubble championship. Season under quarantine dudley response quote. We think it's disrespectful for paul. George who hasn't won the put himself on the level of lebron. James and anthony davis close quote. Tell who's more out of line with your comments. George or dudley. So let me get to that in a second. But i i've been told. This book is forty two pages long. It's a good for today's who paid you. Pay got is the. That's the definition of a bathroom book. Because you can sit once and you can get through this book. Maybe i really also enjoyed tie lose comment about the book when asked about a tulou said i want to quote him accurately a book. Jared dudley tremendous put down in who who saidamazon or who's who's saying bad things neither one. It's totally fine that they both said this. It's totally fine. Paul george in an attempt to pump up himself and his team said what he said mike. It became bulletin board material. He had to eat it for one. Laders okay right so so it. It's also fine jared dudley. He internalized everything that he said that. The other guy said paul george and then when they lost when paul george loss he was able to say he's a choking dawn and the only thing i would say about that. Is we find out that. It wasn't paul george thing because he blamed you boy doc rivers. That is unfair. That thing paul. George is much much much much much better player than jared dudley. Jared dudley would be a much funnier and engaging dinner companion than paul george. Jared dudley is a funny chatty guy and it's no no surprise that he would take these comments and say what. Are you saying dude. Ever want anything people who want to say well. Why would deadly attack. Kim dudley dudley wasn't pumping himself up as you refer to so i'm not offended either. These comments fit. Who those guys are. I would expect. Jared dudley write a book tied lou. What a shot tyler took it. It's a funny one at jared dudley but tony jarrett dili's right. I mean. they weren't the best. Do they got in the playoffs. And they didn't live up to it. And it was largely paul george who did live up to it if we want to be honest about it. So let's go to things right away. One jared dudley says. Hey paul george. You haven't won anything through anthony. Davis hadn't won anything if davis had only won a t shirt. That said that's all that he didn't win one. But before the fact he hadn't won a thing and jared dudley apparently on his resume lists himself as a future coach and future. Gm which is like me listing myself as a future astronaut. That is that is. He's a future and a damn good one tv talk show host. I'll i know. I don't you got every facet say the booth. Thanks for listening. Maybe aaron fox will be in the booth with the box who's playing well enough for sacramento merit. All-star consideration has come out with this opinion about the proposed nba all-star game in atlanta. And i quote. I'm going to be brutally honest. I think it's stupid if we have to wear masks and do all this for regular game. What's the point of bringing the all star game back unquote. We'll bond. Is the nba making a mistake by pressing with an all star game. No you're not making a mistake when you're pressing forty and you're thinking about doing something. They're investigating whether they think. This will be safe. First and foremost i hear deer foxes. Point if you're separating guys if the regular season games then what's at stake if you get them all together a couple of things tony. I've been told one players have expressed. They want it maybe on fox but a lot of players critical players key players veteran players and if no all star game is played where would they go during this period would have seven days to be wherever if you're together at the also like a mini bubble. These guys all take private flights. They be tested where they are and together where they are. That seems less risky than just. Turn them loose for seven days to not be supervised and not be tested by the league. So those are two things i would mention the. I'm going to go the other way. And i'm going to say i believe it's insane. It's far too risky. If you take the best players in the nba and you bring them together wherever you bring them together and god forbid one of them happens to contract the virus. Then you're sending all these great players two separate teams with the potential of having the virus just the other day. Kansas city brought in a barber a barber to cut the teams here before the super bowl. He tested positive. He could have infected the entire team to me with all these variants out there. I know what you're saying that it's sort of like a bubble but an all star game is also spreading the gospel. These guys. it's not just a game. They're going to be asked to go around and say hello or whatever do not this time time. I think it's really risky mike. Baseball didn't have one football didn't have won. The nhl just cancelled if you wanna do something. A charitable impulse which. I'm told yup write a check and promise a game when it safe. So it saves the other thing basketball's in the business of running the nba. Seventy percent increase in fan for patient for voting right now so the players the fans and yes just with the welfare. Your check in mind. The broadcast partners want this particular thing. And they're they're in the business of running a business. They got these other games. Tony they're gonna play games. Anyway so people are gonna watch sacramento and deer and fox against orlando so where there are no getting them all together. That's something they have to take six saints as possible with protocols but you know what. Play the game once again mike. A barber almost infected the entire digital. Break test. you barbie. Everybody wants to barbara mike. You everybody else wants one coming up. Rob gronkowski holds more records. But will travis kelsey go down as the greater tight end. We tell the john thompson barbara you probably from summer. The holyoke lebron rage tonight. Who's more likely to win. Mvp that's a funny story. People would love that story. would they not have a. 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One is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions kind of like choosing to listen to another episode of your favorite podcast and with our top rated app you can deposit checks and transfer money anytime anywhere. Making capital one even easier decision. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one member. Fdic a time to get my second w the weekend toss up. What's i toss up. Who will go down into the greater tight. End rob gronkowski travis. Kelsey is this a trick question because it's rob gronkowski. I mean he's already won. Three super bowls and kelsey has won one super bowl. Gronkowski has ninety eight touchdowns. Mike ninety seven from brady. That's the second greatest passenger receiver combo in the history of the nfl. Kill see us. Fifty seven touchdowns is forty one behind gronkowski. He's got thirty seven from the homes gronkowski averages fifteen yards per catch kelsey averages thirteen yards per catch in gronkowski's at superior block or so i guess what people say is. Oh well kelsey will catch. Gronkowski will retire and kelsey will catch him because chelsea's young monte both thirty one years old. They're both thirty one. I don't chelsea's great. He's better now than gronkowski but in terms of all time it's gone hausky kills done craft. He's done. I don't care if he had seven catches issue. He's done and he goes right into the hall of fame right. It shouldn't take too many. I was in that room for ten years. You can say ladies and gentlemen rob gronkowski check next guy. It was argued about that but kelsey could play five more incredibly productive seasons. Then what are you talking about. Supposed kelsey wants with four super bowls. Suppose he wants up other than the average yards per catch. He can top all those numbers. Tony he could have four hundred more catches in his career. So we all know. It's a complete gronkowski now but the question how it could easily be ease. But that's unknown. The unknown factors. One kelsey is going to do is gone cousy now. Thank u next tossup. They played tonight more likely to win. Mvp the coke yoga or lebron james. Let's understand something. Lebron james is not going to win the mvp old. Never gonna win another vp. No because he should have won last year when everybody knows he was the best player in should have one and they gave it to onto to combo. The last time you were the lebron james one thing was two thousand thirteen. So he's done. Because it's like with michael jordan. What we gotta give it to somebody else. Even though since two thousand and thirteen pretty much every single year he's been the best and most important player in the nba. So if you're going to give it to yokich this is a good year. Could yoke yoke inches numbers very good. He's averaging two more points for more retails for systems with ron shooting. A higher percentage in the field. Lebron only leads them into categories. One better three point percentage and to being a better player and more value. Three having more wins lebron's going to win the mvp. I told you this for the season people have gotten past the lebron out. Lebron james has been bead go. You said iran. No lebron is going to be the mvp this year and beans have an mvp. Just like yokich is tony but people are passed. The lebron fatigue point you mentioned a number of years between his last one and he's going to win even if he can take of all. It seems to me and i'm not asking you know this from him. It seems to me that lebron wants to play an every game. Even though he came off playing at thanksgiving you know in the finals. Righty exaggerating by a little bit bras. Best player lebron's have been the most impactful season. 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Under the Covers with Jim Mitchem and Laurie Smithwick

Charlotte Readers Podcast

26:39 min | 1 year ago

Under the Covers with Jim Mitchem and Laurie Smithwick

"Welcome to this under the covers episode of Charlotte readers. Podcast authors. Give voice to their written words. This is the Friday version of Charlotte readers. Podcast where hosts land is Wade and his author. Guests get under the covers thus Roy we get in and out because they're just too many interesting books engaging authors in the region and not enough town and just like the longer version of the show. You'll learn interesting. Facts about the authors and their books and the authors will read their work and also like the longer version you will find images links and information about the authors in the show notes Charlotte Readers PODCAST DOT com support for Charlotte readers. Podcast is provided by Park Road. Books the oldest and only independent Bookstore in Charlotte conveniently located in Park Road Shopping Center and by Charlotte Mecklenburg Library a connector of readers leaders and learners with twenty locations and a twenty four hour online presence raw so grateful to those of you offer member support for trump leased off return member only contact curated with our authors and myself. You find out more about this member only content how you can help authors give voice to the written words at Charlotte Raiders. Podcast DOT COM. When Landis is not getting under the cover it bookstores at events and on the road he does it in the well-equipped podcast studio at advent co working located in the Belmont community near Uptown Charlotte. But enough where the prologue? Let's get under the covers. I'm your host Landis Wade. Thank you for listening listeners listeners. Welcome to this under the cover episode on visiting today with the gym. Mitchum and Laurie Smith Wick. We're talking about their book. Gone Dogs How y'all doing. Thanks so this is a book with fifty stories and porn but people from all over the world the right. That's correct stroke. How'd you find fifty people from all over the world? Social Media's of very good thing. We're GONNA talk about a little bit for you going forward do that. I like to Talk about the author's second on the under the cover show 'cause we're going to get under the covers and your second but first Jim On your website you say. You're a professional copywriter. Founding advertising you talk about being born with no obvious talent and then after you said after a stanton. Us Air Force. You sort of ended up Where you said in a gutter New York City and then Your life significantly improve from there and you thought it was damn ironic when you gave up as you become a better writer and advertising too but what does this mean when you say you're an ad man who has raised by wolves? I'm just trying to Piss off my mom and dad. Now I was a big fan of kipling throwing them and was raised by wolves. So I always play pluck that in there when I can't in the SCA and Laurie On Your site you talk about the fact that you're You say you love what you do even if you can't necessarily define what you do. Yeah so if you can't find it how do you talk about that? That was a challenge for a while. I seem to have settled on the title of fulltime artist for the time being for a long time. I called myself a graphic designer but abandoned that and now. I'm working more as a fulltime artist. So y'all brought your talents together Jim. You being a writer. Lower you being a graphic designer to put your this Beautiful Book. We're looking at the book cover now There's a dog on the cover. Who's dog's mind today Sydney she She passed in twenty. Fourteen was kind of the inspiration the for the book which she got her. Paul's hanging over there is at the front porch or something. That's the backboard watching the kids in the back shepherd. How long did you hear her? We thirteen fourteen years just about lived a long life thought. We lost her a couple times but made miraculous comebacks and and she finally had her day. I got a dog like that. I might mention before we're done but Laurie. You probably know this dog. Now's Willis any dog. You've ever to having been doing this book with Jim. Yes I know all of Jim's dogs very well Let's talk just a second We got the first of all the book cover. You had you get these This great image on the front but you get images throughout the book as well Lori is that where you came in or did you take the photos or did someone else the photos or do you just. Kinda put them. You had that work so the photos everybody who submitted a story was also asked to submit a photo of their dog And so every photo that accompanies each story or poem is a photo of that. Dog submitted us by the author. What where I came in. Is that many of these? Photos are very old. Like for instance. The photo of my dog is from when I was eighteen years old and that was a couple of years ago. Just a few and so I as a graphic designer I had to do a bit of work on a lot of the photos some of which were just given to us literally as snapshots from the drugstore And to bring them all Linda high enough resolution to warrant their inclusion in the book before we get under the covers this book again. I can't get away from it. It's a black and white. I mean you know black and white images can be stunning and and you have this on the front of this book. Was that a choice. Y'All had to make rethinking color black and white. Obviously it was a choice to make that choice. I I my contribution to the art direction of this book is one thing. And it's that photo okay and And and in terms of it being in black and white I think Laurie can talk more to like how that it actually is a is. It's actually a color photo originally but we Sydney herself is so striking in in her gray and whiteness. That we just felt like it made it feel more and more More weighty to have her on the cover and black and white does okay. We'll are already going to cover. Come on you gotTa get if you like. Our mission of helping authors give voice to their written words. Please consider leaving a short written review about Charlotte Readers podcast on Apple podcasts. Or The podcast platform of your choice because when you leave a review. It helps authors reach more listeners. You can keep up with news about the show. Member only content for our member supporters by joining our email list. We promise not to spam because well that takes too much time and if you join the list who will give you a free e book written. Mommy the first book in the Christmas courtroom Trilogy Charlotte Readers. Podcast is a member of the twin city. Podcast network powered by Ortho Carolina for more information go to Queen City PODCAST NETWORK DOT COM. Gone Dogs the origins the book. I think I remember this get It start from a blog post. Jin that you wrote about your dog passing It was simply a tribute to your dog but a generator response. We're kind of response did you. So I you know as a writer I had a blog and my dog died and This is like twenty ten and I've just getting into social media for a couple of years and you know share share the blog post through my little network and it spread around. You know we would call it viral back you know now but The response was overwhelming. I was getting messages and emails and for for a couple of days. Has the story took off and it made me realize you know just that first of all that I wasn't alone. That grief was justified. And that everybody who has a dog coast through this so yeah it was really cool experience so you call this. The greatest collection of stories about dogs ever published so. That sounds a little true in a little. Bit like marketing. Bit Above both maybe advertising people. Yeah but but house Talk to from your own experiences wise. It's such a great collection of low scores so after I wrote my blog post That you know and then in twenty fourteen Sydney the the the dog on the cover died and and I did it again. And that's when I realized you know what everybody goes through this why not create a tribute anthology. Two dogs that have gone. That left us so gone. Dogs was an actual name for the book and We received over over three years as we were leaving content from people One thing rang true. Every story was different Every rider style was different. But one thing there was a threat and it was deep love for this animal and It it didn't waver from from person to person all those submissions. We received now as I understand. Loria you in gem kind of swimming pool is that right yeah. Our kids found each other and the baby pool. Actually they're all heading off to college now. Y'All sitting there talking one day about things and Jim's talking about Riding Your Tom. Bad Graphics in this idea comes up and then y'all kinda would move from there. We had already done work together on projects for a while at that point I mean literally. Our kids were four and five years old when they met and And they are literally all headed off to college now so it was a long time ago and in our time together is elementary school parents. We had the opportunity to work on a lot of projects together. And so and we. We really respect one another's abilities. Jim Is my go-to if I ever need words and I tend to be one of his go to's if he needs graphics so when. Jim had the idea for this book. I think after telling his wife the idea I think he came to me and said would you be interested in partnering on this project with me and the other thing is that you know. Deep within the bowels of ad agencies the magic exists between a writer and a designer. And now she's come from that background and I come from that background. Didn't and like pretty much right away. I could tell that our personalities were a good match and this is way before this book so when the book did come up she was my. I wanted to. My wife and I went to Laurie about it Because it was the right thing and of course you know. Here are yeah. We talk about On this show authors giving voice to the written word so you got the words themselves that paint a picture. Then you've got the beautiful graphics these pictures of these dogs and you look at him and you can see the personalities in the dogs or see them in a moment in time but I was little I wondered. I know how you got into this because you're all passed but was there any Paul's about choosing a feature only dogs. Who had died and headed? Joel come to terms with that. I think that By choosing to include only stories of dogs who have left us. What that does is that enables. The DOG's owners to distill down the stories that matter when the dog is still alive. It's still living. The stories are still being created. Still trouble they're still GONNA trouble in your. Maybe more focused on just what happened yesterday. Whereas after dog has passed away certain stories bubble up to the top and stay there and those stories are the ones that we feel like. Were on one's the most worth capture every dog owner has those stories. That's the beauty of Maria. So is there a common theme to the stories being told Anything that any thread that runs through these stories or they all different in their own way again. It's the love that that would be awesome. It's the foundation of every one of these stories other than that. It's a wide open. So I you know I'm curious The different ways that people chose to tell their stories. You Joe Laura. You're going to read a little poem that you wrote about when your dogs and Jim you wrote in prose you can read a little section that or at least of section of somebody's today but they have approached it as purely memoir they could have written it kind of is a day in in one one day life that stands out. How did they do? They come in all different ways. I think so. I think I mean probably if you were to look at all the stories that we received submissions they probably all break down into maybe five categories like you said memoir or a day in the life or a funny story a singular funny story or the story of the span of their life. You know you definitely might find some standard Arc's but I think that what What Jim said about the stories all being about love? Is that the other thing about dogs like you said. They're they're alive. Dog is still getting into trouble. You know my dog for example that I wrote about in that my mother wrote about was really cute stupid dog I mean he was dumb and on North right well so living with him. We were constantly wrestling with how dumb he was. But now it's all just love. You tell that I'd say that to you about my dumb dog that I had in high school and that's just all sweetness and love these animals like I talk about in my story they They spend ten ten years thirteen fourteen years with us. That time will never disappear. It will always be part of our past and To you know so yes So people there poetry. I think we put a lid on like five thousand words. Max that was the that was the bucket that we we put out there. The the standard so people you know we didn't want novels. We didn't WANNA make this book of long stories are now. We've got a time for reading from each of you from the book. We're going to start with with Laurie. you've got a picture here in the book of Little Little Dog White hair black hair like yours covering this is Dan. Here is is is is is Dudley Dudley. Okay and and listeners. Just so you know. We're going to also have complete Longer version of this show on our patron fee for a members in which Laura's mother Judy Goldman is going to read a prose story from the book. We're going to have readings from other authors as well but for now he's got a little poem and the name of it. Laurie is state. Change Anytime you. I'm walking across sharp coastal Bermuda grass toward the pier the river motorboats Tan summertime campers everywhere. Laughing I just finished reading a letter from my mom. This was the moment the summer I was eighteen when I stopped being a person with a dog. Okay don't take many words to convey appoint right. Yeah so you were. You're eighteen. Where were you? I was at summer. Camp counselors the summer before I headed off to college. Did you get the message by phone call or I think it was a phone call but my mom and I couldn't remember so we decided to make it more poetic and call it a letter but it had happened while I was gone. They had to have him put down and and the stark contrast between this way. I think it was a phone call. I was in the office so inside and then I walked outside to this gorgeous coastal North Carolina Summer Day just blasted with Sun Bathing. Suit kids running around by the river and I remember just walking along going. I'm a different person. Now that my my status as a human has changed an hour ago I was a person with a dog and now I'm no longer a person with a dog and that identity really made an impact on me that Debbie airport. Your family right is like losing a brother or sister added now. Yeah Yeah Okay. So we're going to move from the the poetry to prose for a moment. Jim You've got a story About your dog Tucker right that's right. Yeah and the picture beside this prose piece is amazing. Dog is got some spring has jetson his legs. Yeah you're at the Bates. There's bluewater you're on the sand your knees or craft a little bit This dog half his body is above the top of your head. This trick with he just wanted to treat the treats on my right hand. You could see the that I'm holding a treat but It was something we used to just do. Love to jump in. What kind of dog is Australian Shepherd? They can really move quick. Yeah he was just a puppy like year-old site to set this up before you read the name of my pieces Just a dog and It it opens with me talking about The morning that we knew that we were GONNA put talker down And I'm just going to pick it up a little bit into it thirteen years earlier when it was just me. Tina Tucker went everywhere with us. They knew his name at our beach. He walked the streets of Saint Augustine like the mayor. He was a constant companion and positive distraction for us. The year. My wife worked two jobs to put me through three colleges at once so that I could graduate and we could get on with our lives when we moved from Florida to Charlotte. Tucker sat shock under the moving truck on teen. I bought our first home together. We selected one with big backyard for dogs and kids when daughter one was born. Her first word was puppy. In large part due to Tucker's watchful gaze he was also a good shepherd and raising daughter to over. The Years Tucker helped shape a pack. That has three other dogs. Join it and since we moved. He's been a daily companion for me as I sit at my desk and right thirteen years. They say that's ninety one dog years but it's still thirteen in mine. Thirteen to my possible. What eighty probably sixteen percent of my own life when I'm done other than my mother and now my wife. I haven't been round another soul on this earth on a daily basis as much as I was with Tucker so it's A little hard to listen these stories Although although there's there's emotion of love there's also this emotion agree that sneaking into the equation to and then you know someone who's just listening for the first time I can sense this Tremendous loss that you had for this dog and you too Lori To learn about it from a distance so I've got a dog he. He has tried to dive at six times. We think we think he's got more allows and a cat and he's he's on fourteen. He's outlived all other dogs and he. He was a rescue and I liked him. Not As one who is rescued but as the as the hero. Because I feel like he's rescued me number times and it will be hard when when you can't take that walk with me but You know stubborn dog. Can these guys and I'm sure Tucker probably today's talk okay. We're going to shift now for second to the writing life. We've got a few minutes left to. You're not many but I wanted to do this. you You went out. Broadly sort of across the world is submission process to get All these different submissions just quickly. How did you go about doing that? Networks social media and our personal networks as how it all started and did you get a lot of submissions and was it hard to choose which wants to put in the book it was we had. We had to cut cut the number of submissions down by more than a third in order in order to two-thirds. Didn't make it into the book and that was nearly impossible because every story was worth telling and worth reading and was a difficult Did you find yourself personally and also talking to the authors for them to write about This or was it helpful to write about it so one of the things that I experienced was Catharsis when I wrote about it in twenty ten wrote about Tucker that the story I just read And we kind of talked about the idea of Catharsis when we Put the call to submissions out. There and people grabbed a hold of it. They understood what we meant and Yeah that wasn't a huge thing to overcome. I mean everybody who has a dog has the stories in them. The dog it's just part of the contract that we have you know they. We outlive them in his closer in time for you. Jim Laurie not to age as but you don't little longer since you had had. This dog was still hard right about the or was it helpful. Did you enjoy the process? Oh I definitely enjoyed the process. I mean we this was. This was in fact the last dog I've had all my brother has continued to have dogs. So I've had nephews and Nephew dogs she always gets Gets beat up on my pack when she comes up when I come over and ask about routine sometimes on here but amusingly speaking to one author. Y'All had to develop routine yourselves right because you're busy allows your parents you get. How'd you do it Email snapchat what Oliver. Your mom everything. Every means of communication. We have literally. I mean everything that we can think of no good. So how has producing? This book changed your lives. That's amazing question You know my favorite thing in the whole world is a new and to take a new idea and turn it into a real thing is. Is that really an underrated process and to be to have been approached by Jim five years ago and work solidly for five years to create this thing that I can now hold on my hands and feel proud of is Without anybody ever asking for it right I wasn't. We weren't assigned by a boss or a teacher to make this to have created. This really feels like an incredible accomplishment. Just so proud of it plus you. Jim has has. It changed your life so this is the first thing I've ever done like this I. I've written a novel before and of course. Laurie helped with design and layout of that Back in twenty thirteen or fourteen or something But but this was way different they. I'd we'd better off way more than we realized what what it was going to be own. It always is. It's it was unbelievable that learning curve to this was quite steep so Having it in my hands could feeling but I think words changed my life. The most is that I really love dogs And you know I'm a copywriter and I I'm a like a gun for hire for companies And while I do well at that job my heart is in into it like it is this and so in terms of a changing my life. I want this franchise concept to keep going in. And they're going to be a next chapter two doll- or the plan has more of the same. Are you gonNA do some other thematic approaches to the animal universe or what who knows but we do so so I may not have had a dog for many years. But I've had a lot of CATS I. I lived in New York City for a long time. This'll be be like the chick-fil-a cows. The cat people came out of the woodworks when we create just like you. So I'm excited about that. Because the stories are going to be different relationship with their cats is different CASS. We'll do that next next. My daughter's cat person. She's got a couple of the name of it to okay. Look this all the time we got unfortunately we're going to have to To sound offer. David you'RE GONNA find Some links Information About Laurien Jim in the show. Notes And as. I said you're GonNa get along version if you become a member supporter of the show. How to do that? You can find out at Charlotte Russe. Podcast DOT COM Laurie. Jim Thank you so much being on. Thanks so much for having Salinas. Well that's it for today. Another fun author giving voice to the written word. Landis will be back next Friday getting under the covers with another interesting author for before then coming on Tuesday. We'll have another long form episode with readings and conversations about the written words and the writing life they local or regional offer landis loves helping authors give voice to their written words. But he can't do it alone if you're a clown to help me help authors give voice to their written words. 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Shaq puts on his Detective hat to investigate some recent stories, hosts an epic Senselessly Sensitive and gets Borderline on The Big Podcast with Shaq

The Big Podcast With Shaq

49:41 min | 2 years ago

Shaq puts on his Detective hat to investigate some recent stories, hosts an epic Senselessly Sensitive and gets Borderline on The Big Podcast with Shaq

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One sports net production available on Apple podcasts and podcast wind. This is an exclusive presentation of podcast one sport Shaquille O'Neal Suchet podcast. This is Shannon Cast D._J.. Drop that. She said I decided to go to New York. I would have had the rock back from Jersey. We had to create the Mecca. I don't care about article had that Iraq and all his twenty year curse would've been no mother twenty years and guess what I WANNA walk the patch meals mobile mother podcast with Shag Jonky Kate Rod Jenner's Shaquille O'Neal The star the Shell and of course Brandon Harper or two as shock is in Croatia. Yeah <unk> shack see me joining US joining us here in a in a couple of minutes not from Croatia not from Croatian no no no not from Croatia. I hope not well. It's weird. Is that that expensive connection to Croatia. No we gotTa do who is we have to play a game one week where we talk of all the places that shack has been since we started this pod we play where in the world is Shaquille O'Neal since we started by this is crazy and this is why but when shack lives he lives out loud and everybody in the seeing him first of all I fought mosh pits. Were nineties a yeah. I guess they still show up at some of these big nice. We're having mosh pen and in an e._d._m.. Festival where it's down the house if you haven't seen a videos of of shack in the Mosh Pit oh you have to look for what what did you say to me before. I'll look like Clifford. The Big Red Dawn. You saw that somebody tweeted that too. I was looking at it is now mind that I wanted to put out is Shaq Shaq hangs at the world's largest sausage part. It was all there wasn't one dome was on the Mosh Pit. If you're a group of guys where a bunch of sweaty guys are bumping into each other throwing each other is that like I don't know what that's called but in my neighborhood that's not that's not called the mosh pit. That's called something very very depth de l. what's going on there. One woman that comes to these things I must be. She's in the back now. It looked like the cast of the young and the date Lewis speak to that. I'M GONNA say it didn't look like it was funny to watch shack in the middle of Mosh pit. Oh my God man amongst boys guys love and to get a leading people out of the way guys pushing shack trying to get him. He's just throws resolve to them that everything that was. It looks like it looked like an awesome time and that was one of those tops shirts. The checkout at Walmart always tells us he shops at Walmart you talking about the tank anywhere <hes> he wears those all the time got him at Walmart of course he did. I give him for like eight dollars. That's what he does a fertile impact for like one of the ones where you say to check how how did he get smart so rowe chick because he's buying Walmart. She's fine Walmart shirts his eight Grand Alan Shirt to D._J.. Any bought a five pack of further looms as I was just being like the shirt that I'm wearing like how much cost price thirty bucks. I Dunno twenty eight Bucks Thirty Bucks. Shacks were eight dollar one yard exactly so he's really do three dollars shirt that video. I'll tell you that whatever he lacked in the mosh pit he made up for on the yacht okay. Did you see the pictures on T._M._Z.. Shack on the yacht first of all. I need to know who's yod is that I have no idea idea like I need to know that next. I gotta find out probably my guests. It'd be rented it. Okay wait a minute. You're telling me that yacht is just sitting around waiting for someone to this charters. Yeah those charter yachts are now. I don't know how far in advance he might have booked at like like he might have known. He's really to sail that to him. I'm sure Mediterranean and Solloway below deck there by the way it has staff to of course it does Yeah No. That's one of those like a private charter yachts. Those are the best Scott's been on one. They'll cast that is absolutely ridiculous. That thing looks awesome. What really pisses me off? I'm looking at these pictures this shack on this plush yacht and if you haven't seen him they're just up at T._M._Z. and more from click at throwing them like rock and I'm like why are on this. Why are we doing this vote? They would have had a problem scheduling us to be all would have had a hard time. They would've called US two hours beforehand and said can you can you can cruise today. Can you do a cruise today on the big boat. You guys are my day hush. You're going to be in a dinghy. Guess what I'll be. If that's the big boat yeah I'll go on a dinghy. I'll bet you things better than anything you and I have ever said talk about it is absolutely now before. Shat shacks going to join us here in a few minutes with some stuff that we take before he went to Europe so we couldn't do what he's on the Mediterranean and he's been in your two weeks so he we can't take when he's in Europe so we do have some awesome detective shacks. We have an epic senselessly on the way absolutely epoch senselessly and that's the way it was that even scheduled. I think that I'm not sure because because it sort of took on a lifestyle I felt it went on a whole. It went off the rails. You'll you'll love that coming up. In a minute we do have a couple of audio have to play real quick because it would show with addressing these two things the first one comes from Shaquille O'Neal via Sportscenter sportscenter and why are you laughing at this. I love it all right. I love this from sportscenter. Oh man what year do you think this was. This was probably two thousand four thousand four thousand three all right. Let's go oh to Shaquille O'Neal from E._S._P._N.. Two thousand four follows four hundred five years. I'll kiss his feet on fear factor which he's on it. It'll never be done again. I would suggest that if Carmi the sale for those of you who do not have the fifteen year old reference that we're everything fear factor used to be a game show yes they did is all our kids would no fear factor probably not but they brought it back. They did a fear factor like a celebrity fear factor actor I think like last summer's before something but I wash rogan hosted by love Joe and he's Great Guy Good Franjo hosted fear factor and it was you had to do all these ridiculous stunts or disgusting thing once they had religious de la once they had about eating roaches and everything I couldn't do it was the eating challenge is always the sickest couldn't do the roaches shack said he'd gone fear factor. There's your fifteen coach and eat cheese off his feet so slick his toes with cheesy. Steve Kerr's curse feet have gotta shack. Do you realize that Steve Kerr agreed to do this and shack agreed to do it. Oh for a no no no for a gofundme me for a jolly that I think would be awesome if he turned turned into something like that but otherwise you know shack as well as I do. He's GonNa Welsh and that bet shack ARD is shed GonNa Lick Lick. Steve Kerr's you're right though if it had a charitable angle he making my well guess what net bets so fast okay we will be calling him on them as soon as he hears this. Week's podcast part of next week shacks back in America when we come back to find out if he's GonNa make good on that bet oh I can't wait dine the other audio yeah. I absolutely half the play yes. Did you see Steve Bomber. Can I tell you how much I love Steve Bomber okay. Can I tell you how much further okay tell you again. I said it again before. I love the fact that N._B._A.. Players are doing what N._F._l.. Players don't do all the can't what what would baseball players never been able to where they're taking over their league. They've had their taos standing up in their pushing their agenda but an owner oh I would I would I would run through a the wall for this Guy St Bomb Okay so let me play the audience Steve Bomber owner. This is the clippers owner bomber you store for Microsoft. He started founders of Eicher Saunders of Microsoft with Bill Gates one of the one of the original the OH jeez bombers at the introduction press conference for Jordan Georgian coli. Here's the bomber just today cool. How did stay ball? Were used to live in a van down by the river. My Name Is Matt Foley and I am a motivational speaker. Just in five years old I am I and I live down by the river sounds exactly like I did not know you. Were GonNA play that. I knew you're going to play the ball borough. I heard close my eyes and I hear St bomber and that's what I hear just by name is can I tell tell you this every one of us in America at some point and all the foreign countries who listen to the show to you hope to work for somebody like a that is Steve Bomber that is just going to unleash his enthusiasm his resources his resources and make sure he's doing everything he wants his fans to win so bad oh my he wants to win and he's if the clippers win. Oh my gosh he might explode like he might just spontaneously and that might be it for Steve Bomb. I love we go so hot. I love what he's doing and I love the energy and I think that everybody loves an owner and owner that you're sort of wears the phantom on the sleep yes and Steve Bomber what I really love about it. Though is he's got a coach that he believes in and he doesn't get the hell gets to the hell out of the way mascot a general manager. He doesn't get in his way. St Bomber is the head cheerleader head P._R.. Man Of course that's it. He doesn't feel the need to he doesn't go out there and to try to make roster moves. He doesn't think he's Jerry Jones he doesn't he doesn't feel the need to run his team. He hires competent guys and then just plays the crazy man and I might man. He's done well for himself for guy. That's lived in van down by the incredible well for absolutely incredible over the top though little the fine with me I I the entertainment alone is he's so entertaining if I if I stop like how many years does your favorite team won a championship. Oh maybe it's once in your life. If you live. We'll stop taking look at me. Hey Falcons fan that eagles win to me. Will it changed my life as far as just joyous. See something that you may you thought you Michael Your whole life. Never being able to say and said to me if sports is in entertainment to you so if following your favorite team and root for your favorite team in entertainment straight guy is enter. Tell me he adds more to it. I love entertaining as hell but I had to play the Matt Foley Audio so good now what I will request as I strong arm Shag back okay. We've been wanting to do a podcast out in L._A.. I would love to do a podcast out in L._A.. Clippers Lakers. Oh when is that well. I mean they're gonNA play in the time remember. I remember Clippers Lakers. You get the two later gail home game so there's like four or five times. We could find a way to do this and we go to Shaquille Shaquille at down Clippers Lakers. That'd be great. I mean you're right there. It's right APEC and I bet you crowd. It'll be jacked up. Oh you're a podcast trying. Get Steve to come down and get change. Come down and cheese I would like to see Jeanie and Steve Together with Shaquille like view on the podcast. Get Genie on one side table which Steve Bomber at the other. Oh my God. I just let the to have a lot going back for a lot of fun. All right. Well shows going to be fun that we do. Have we do have a great show. 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LICKING PEOPLE GS a couple of weeks ago well now. We got another one. No this is the case of the tainted rocky road eight. Four of Florida woman was arrested after police say she spit in ice cream picked her nose touched it and urinated in a bucket used to churn ice cream. God that is filthy forcing an ice cream shop to close for days. He's on my this woman young soon. What p sixty six years old chrome was charged with sullying two thousand dollars worth of ice cream? Oh my gosh what what is her name young soon. I'm going to say why why songwriting why Chuck we too low cream of some young guy holy top but she was called on surveillance video and she was arrested. I didn't she faces this. What is happening in the widening? Do this. Everybody wants to likes kids. Water likes you know this one wasn't about likes this woman was sixty six. She was trying to let me show into next to the ice cream cream parlor. Wasn't there ice cream parlor share located. There was dropped through on the through the bathroom. It was the sign. was there some feud going on between the businesses. Don't that's crazy. Oh guess what I'm putting because you could spread disease through that and things like that. She deserves to go to prison. Thanks yes joins or probation good personal that is terrible but I'm asking honestly yeah. I don't know what the what the repercussions no no no no what if she had herpes or if she had a disease that's what she did. She spreading disease spreading spread h she gets spread H._i._v.. In bodily fluids she could be spending stuff. You don't know what she's Guy Yeah. I can't take the I guess what even if she doesn't the risk of someone else thinking oh I can do this and then doing that. It's it's a health example uh-huh. Oh my God it's terrible that is never have an ice cream. I'm not a big ice cream guy but I'm never have an ice cream agai a couple more quick ones here for detective shack this one I love this is the case of the cooking crook. Florida officials say they're looking for a Hamblur hamburglar who broke into to Wendy's restaurants well. You're going to be a hamburger then fixed himself some food and then stole the money so this guy broke it had Martin's county sheriff's Office say he got a new two different Wendy's and Jensen Beach Florida by smashing the window then fired up the grill made himself a hamburger and then walked out with the store safer clever alarm go off. Black criminal was dig deep. What is it? It's not like firing grill at home. Isn't that like the special machines that you have to use their their those grills. Turn the the knobs on the grill at home. Do you yeah I'd seen the see I've been back in those kitchens before and seeing the knobs I was going to say I thought maybe some special training so maybe he worked at a windy Oh switch and he only rob's Wendy's he still enlarged large by this day. If I'm Bravo to place and I WANNA Burger I'm going to Burger King. I want to slay broil lame bro. I WanNa flame bro Walker so I want some. Can you said Donald J.. Burgers Hang Donald. That's one burger shack. They may Shag. They named the big Mac themselves. That's why it's it's called the big Mac McDonald's Burger King around long cheap cheap food ray KROC ray KROC business model tell us that's what I'd take fo- TACO Bell I want to do. I want FRY Burger. No I want I want. I want a flame Broil Burger by the way don't you don't you up your nose at Taco Bell because it's came out recently that they're the most healthy fast-food chain if you could be Taco Bell Taco Bell Taco Bell Up Papa's joins be going down there. The first of the month and go to pop is one of US funds is the check wait a minute minute. Popeye's Sandy Springs Georgia geico play to the White Popeye's in mining. You come down to the Popeye's wargo really okay. That'd be interesting. One in the now go by nine dusk dust street smarts street smarts biscuits sort of best though at that time late at night. Okay you are lured me there. You are lured me their last my favorite story of the entire week by the way last story over the weekend Clay County Sheriff's Office at Liberty Missouri. Police were searching searching for a person who had a felony warrant for his arrest well. This guy is on the run. He decides to hide to avoid police and he farts so loudly that it gives up his location is on the run from the cops. Rips is one that loudly Guy Gas S._P._D.. Silent but deathly silent but deadly Shaquille O. my cropped us. The plane walks around first class doing or do you pretend you're asleep and you do it a releasing move and everybody knows that you question. Where's the most was inappropriate place or time you let one church church? Marsha church the worst because it's just where's Waldo. Who did it churches the worst you see? There's now one of these new video challenges to where people are doing it in the frozen food section. Oh because it for some reason it hovers in the in the cold air people are doing it and then watching someone else like they're far like over the lettuce and then watching other people come along someone else's filming and they're watching someone else come along that smells like a church. It's a fraud abuse. which is the worst funniest to add in the Catholic Church? I don't know that your church the wooden pews well yelled like the wooden whole new meaning. Where's the most inappropriate place older I was always on the plane plush Shag up the Dutch oven every once in a while? I'm sure pull someone under the jury. Does God ended many relationship. If you want to be here sweetheart thank you to by the way Kevin Thomas who sends a ton of these stories what just happened. Hello you answer. It was not me what are you talking about. They get a Kevin and Thomas Jesse at our g mail Jesse there it is we have no formal version of the shack jumped into a bunch from the other day but we haven't done a formal. It's an off your chest senselessly sensitive in a minute so I'm GONNA go ahead open up the floor Scott. You want to start you want me to do you start up started. Do me just the smallest favor favor. That's what you said your wife if you if you are walking down the street and you are walking in the same direction maybe a car would be driving. Move your ass to the sidewalk. Get Out. There's nothing worse to meet people who walked down the middle of the road through the middle of a parking lot or like what are you doing. There's cars get your ass out of the road. Get off the stamp. Waddell your fat ass next to Toyota Celica down the middle of the road. There are freaking cars coming jackass pay attention. I liked that sorry drives me crazy because they walk down the middle of the street and it's like I'm now. I'm driving behind. You'll mile an hour. I'll tell you this is that I know a lot of you. Feel very accomplished in life and you've really like you've accomplished great things and that you were able to go get yourself a pair of ipod the ear pods. We'll guess what first of all I can impress second of all when I'm standing behind you in a store when I'm sitting next to you at a restaurant when you're next to me at the airport waiting for your flight. I don't need to hear your conversation. I don't need just because you got your stupid little oddson in and you think you have oh we'll let you. Can you believe sure he's doing that. I can't believe sure he's doing that. She's a home yes. She is really really that. Do you know what I'm doing bro Tonight. Here's auto plants. Nobody gets a crap about your empty. Alive and well really impress the you saved up enough money to get these things. You're sticking in your ears. Shut the hell up. Take your phone call on a normal phone. Don't subject all of us to it. I'm not impressed by you. You've accomplished nothing. You bought something from Apple Shut up can. Can Piggyback on your seriously he back on yours. Yes if you're on the phone and you're about to get the elevator. Hang on this conversation elevator go to work. I don't need to hear all your life. That's when you get onto the plane the phone conversations over when you go to sitting your seat don't say to it's title and you've got your ear pods in Oh important look at me here. I'm it's Horton. WE'RE GONNA move sue SISLEY. What's that Iraqi when you see the person coming out of the smallest section and you know doing small trying to squeeze that's what among the women k. find them sides it all sweaty all sweaty? None of your smalls fit these small just jot down. It's unbelievable Shaquille Shaquille okay. That's gotten a few off your chest. I got one CHICK-FIL-A Louis Yeah good. y'All do everything everything right right by me. Those far but I got this one's Malia she job. If I'm on my healthy you know thing and I get the little spicy chicken salad. That's a nice is salad. Why the hell you give me one pack of salad dressing? I'm a grown man with facial. Oh Hey Sally address solid sir. Please thank you thank you. How do you have any addressing I want I want my wanNA eat address out swimming swim and dressing? They're black dress. I get news white people to like dry salad. I'm sorry you're a psycho of your salad draw. It had the way it just on the Salad Front. If you're serving iceberg lettuce that ENA SALAD ICEBERG LETTUCE zero nutritional value go for it dominance Obama lot I lost my grandparents great man beds and be doggy might have sold a story about the young grandma that was in the home and <hes> the parents came to see their mom mature face was swollen and they said she felt that year. Oh yes it is a do elder. Abuse can hope you rod inhale. GotTa pick on a useless old man an old lady first of all. How'd you get the job second? You had the job you gotta throw around the Catcher. We're going to be on T._V.. 'cause I'm more U._S.. Yeah I'm Matabeleland Advocate that but you know sometimes you have to protect the can protect themselves and that was my grandma. I like John Boy. Oh man we're going along through. I'm just going to look at the WHO's watching grandma. John Jenkins and Tom Utah Turbomeca both for your ass was who did it. I'm not out yes. Yes mostly bring grow. That's horror as Sir Abra lawsuits from Shaquille O'Neal. If you ever have Iran's or you want us to go off on one that you wanNA share with the show you can always share it at the big podcasts was shack at g mail DOT COM edition of borderline breathing breathing is rock rock. Turn off your mic den is that sounds like doing cardio the Iraq serious stopping. It sounds terrible that you would have to take the stairs instead the elevator. Oh I bet it was sure you're going there for second. got a quick one but of really good one for Jacob G. Mail. This is uh from a Houston Astros game on Fox. The announcer head are one of our favorites slip ups about tonight. Raging hinges Wade Miley since the start of last year is really enjoying the best sex success has had in his career might be both excellent. He's a player man. He's in the big show that he's enjoying the best of his career. He's he's like it. We have an old clip from a show called. Most haunted it comes to us from Scotty on twitter are old friend and this medium. I've never heard of this clip before I love it is suddenly interrupted. You know like a mediums trying to channel is spirit. Oh Yeah and then they start acting stupid to say and stuff like the spirit when this guy it communicated with Mary and her husband Dick but this piece in commerce spiritual activity. Let's see let's see with. Maybe a little stick a nice lady but I feel she's got this great move and take his awesome. Oh my Gosh I love that he just convulses in the middle of maybe little stick areas this great love for Dick. I've got a great love for people who enjoy their work. That's a good thing all right. Let's go more classic border line from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. It is a recap of the playoff game between the Lakers and the Knicks and yes this is one shack dunked on Chris Dudley. Oh him to the floor. He treated him like a bitch what he really did he did it treated like say he moved on him like a bitch and then Kenny main from E._S._p._N.. Sportscenter I've never heard but here you go. Fourth Quarter Lakers up three Chris Dudley Dudley takes exception fix up the ball and drill sack and the button drill shack in the Bud Dudley. Get along Mug along with people okay. I didn't know if you guys even had a relationship or anything because you look real faced him if you'd like really embarrassed him a few times. Let's be honest shoved on the floor. You treated him like a bitch right. That is this week's edition of borderline there. We go that way. You don't have to dig every four music guy. I the right to take right. Everyone goes nuts. What's right? Oh hold on. We need to do like a whole list of every time we do the reading things and then you know put it up use the Promo Code podcast one to receive a fifty percent welcome bonus. That's right you heard me a fifty percent bonus will water butterfly. Those quick grow about. It's stupid Yahoo. Daily fantasy is for you. Deli is was reading Ray. Everybody aw on this show everybody go to renew harangue also get twenty five dollars and free play when you make your I two five using Promo Code Fayza files. It defies it <music> Start Planning today what you remind me when he was in school teacher called call the Pentagon akin read everybody Jonathan. Would you like three is just take zero marines. It's gotta be Jimmy. I'm not gonNA give Jimmy's last name Jimmy in grade school. They had to move Jimmy out of my class because Jimmy had a speech impediment a stutter or did you make fun of him. Oh now Jimmy was my like one of my best buddies so so Jimmy stopped talking and would have me. I could understand Jimmy when he would start when he would start to get into a stuttering I would understand what he meant and I would finish for him so they had to remove separate groom's like this or play for larger prizes. Eh Job growth classroom because John's finishing you finish turn understands it. I was like the Integra Larry This my brother the days Oh man I go to finish what sentences I do the rug junior and add all right. Let's get border like sheep. They moved to class because when they were trying to Jimmy to talk I whenever he would start to start it would finish the interpreter. Go to the bottom up Jimmy. I'm not very proud of the last one this one comes to us from very popular good morning. Radio show called the breakfast club okay very very good. Good great show good people they had this was back when fifty cent and Floyd Mayweather we're feuding about who could read and read well. The breakfast club wanted had had floyd in studio. They wanted him to read a liner. Here was the liner they wanted floyd. May here's the liner I'm Floyd Mayweather and I've joined iheartradio for this show. You Scribes Movement to support hiring vets go to show you scribes dot O._R._G.. Website that connects conventions with employees and helps business find candidates with the best training. How long was that ten seconds okay ten seconds all right so that was the liner they wanted floyd to read okay so but who was that guy that's Charlemagne reading the liner okay? Here's the line was Stephen even a Smith's so that was that was a list okay that was them saying here's the liner here's Floyd Floyd Mayweather Floyd Mayweather it and I've joined heart radio for the show uh-huh and I've joined heart radio for the show. We'll strikes movement to support higher vits join all my heart radio. Yes what it's hilarious boy may whether I'm Floyd Floyd Mayweather and I've joined heart radio. Oh Oh my God show your stripes movement to support higher events. How did this show it's not when he was in the studio? Go to show you doc or Oh my God okay website veterans with employees. Let's go the website the business with the best training Kat. I'm floyd heart radio. Your stripes morning at that point is when they actually put their hands it said stop stop playing that was like a minute ten. It goes on for probably much longer so hey look he said five people couldn't read it is I and you can say whatever you want about fifty cents God that is terrible. They're checking snow on Camera Shannon on afraid of Floyd. He's afraid of floyd casinos that there's some people that could kick this don't do that. What does on stuff kick his ass? I check. I love you three over you go it alone. Alone might not go sick. I hopes the Hell Dan Patrick gets this audience. The Dan Floyd the white man shouted about all right also. Here's one more throwback for you that shack s for before he went on vacation. He wanted us to replay the Uncle Shannon remix from a few weeks ago and also reminded me about another uncle Shannon remixed that we had done maybe several months prior to that so you're gonNa hear the most recent one first and then stick around for the classic Luke Wobble Remix from a few months back. I'll go shannon for you on the shack cast. This is a little out of context but I love it. It's undisputed detective Matthew with skipping Shannon. They're negotiating how they're going to go out of conversation and it just it sounds so borderline slow. Go do short a so. Where do you prefer we do it in reverse started skip but oh do it? In reverse wrote up clip you just play and <hes> <hes> me so hard. That's a real one of your own. Let's see we can't get this thing. Go slow speed said no doing reverse here here. You Got Ready. Slow River knowledge it to me so long shared sharks yes John. This is going to be hearing on next week. Show the deliverable for like next week. Let's rob a little time and he's GonNa deal they all event. We gotta think our old friend Max on twitter for this one. This is Shannon talking to Lavar ball of all people and he cutting about stumbling when he taught so he gets the Stop and stumble here but Lavar like kind of like Jabs Adam so here you go now. Do you say he doesn't watch me on twitter. He jumped out. You still blocked. I'm still block. You're still blocked on twitter. You're GONNA stay block. I blocked becomes I do no he doesn't even all because of the fact that he can't park is upset with cameras and everything it shouldn't take that you're doing so well for so long and miss I will this was this is a classic six. Stop and snuggle. This is from NATO at our g mail Neto. This is uncle Shannon talking about the Anthony Davis debate and I don't know what happens. He's trying to recall a woman's name but it's like his brain gets stuck in like a loop of some sort here so he's not a part of future anymore I would they did you right now. I'm a bird would play back. Go to your little bug thing and every time I stumble hit me with that. We're not a part of my future anymore I would they gotta do right now yeah well. I'm the beginning of the wobble I in <music> overtime dancing like this uh-huh frustrating that really good Sean if you have any classic stop and stumbles assisted the ball out probably a little more susceptible if you have any classic doc stumbles from Uncle Shannon sent him over the big podcast with shack gmail.com we did that for multiple countries and free taping. It works well together. Hopefully everybody had a great time on the shack cast yes this week. Remember the big podcast shack gmail.com. We love it. 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1.22 Biography Edition: John Winthrop

The Political History of the United States

34:06 min | 2 years ago

1.22 Biography Edition: John Winthrop

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the united states episode one point twenty two biography edition john winthrop before we jump into our subject matter matter for today. I want to take just a moment to introduce a different kind of episode that i'm gonna be doing periodically seeing that. This is the first episode that i've done as a biography addition listen. I want to go ahead and explain what i plan to do. With these reoccurring episodes these episodes are going to be a bit different from what we've done so far and will exist largely largely as a supplement to the ongoing narrative what i really want to accomplish with. These biographies is to identify people who are going to be really important to our story moving forward. When i say really important i mean the people who are going to fundamentally shape the united states. These are the people whose actions are largely going to come to define the american experience syrians. This is not going to be a comprehensive list of people who do important things either but rather people who i chose to go more in depth on personally otherwise is when we get to the american revolution. This podcast would be nothing but biography after biography. I'll tell you right now that i'm gonna do my best to focus on those figures that might not get as much attention attention as they should. I would anticipate that. There's going to be just a couple of these every season. There may be some season with more. There may be some seasons without any at all as far as what we are going to be discussing. These biography episodes will also feature a little bit of a different structure instead of going into huge amounts of detail about out there laws and everything they did. I'm looking more to give a broad overview of their life and their accomplishments as four specific events that are critical to our story. Those are going going to be taken care of largely through the narrative itself. My hope is that when these people enter into the narrative you've already got the background on the person to know that they're going to be super important. These episodes therefore are going to be structured in such a way that we are going to basically have two parts. The first part is going to be moving through a general history of that person's life their accomplishments accomplishments failures philosophies and beliefs. The second part of the episode is going to be spent discussing their legacy and why they're important. I always hate when you're told that of somebody is really important in history and it is just left at that. Is somebody gets a biography on this podcast rest assured that at the end i'm going to make sure you know what their legacy is and why they're worth remembering. That should be enough talking about the show. Let's go ahead and move on into today's topic. Almost from the moment that he arrived in new england in sixteen thirty john winthrop would become amongst the most influential colonists winthrop a highly religious this lawyer from england view the world through a highly religious lens appeared on hulu become disturbed with the state of affairs in england under king charles. The first winthrop would view his immigration to new england as nothing short of a biblical journey rat out of exodus. It is out of this that winthrop would write a sermon entitled a model of christian charity in this he referred to new england as being the city upon the hill this ideal the thought of at the time just new england glennbeck later the country itself as being a city on the hill is something that has become deeply ingrained in the american ethos as recently as ronald reagan reagan in the nineteen eighties. The city on the hill has continued to play an important role in american politics in so many ways the idea of a city on a hill encapsulated loyd's what the united states itself aspires to be joan went through was born on january twentieth fifteen eighty seven in the village of groton located in suffolk green is located to the northeast of london and around fifty miles east of cambridge winthrop was born into a family of some means his father was a local lawyer and this means that it afforded him degree of privilege as a child when he was fourteen years old young was ready to enter into the university and he would soon enroll at cambridge. Cambridge winthrop would find himself in an environment that was decidedly pro pure it a position that winthrop himself would have already been. I'm familiar with through his father. Winthrop spent his youth in that hotbed appeared an activity that was southeastern england recall from less than that. This is the area area the puritan movement truly flourished and expanded it following cambridge winter became a justice of the peace in suffolk. This was a position of relatively high stature stature and moved winthrop into a more influential role this position made through a local leader and put him in a position suffolk where he had the power to help influence local policy it also gave through at least a peek at the practical functioning of a government something that is going to be very important years in the future in his role as the governor of massachusetts massachusetts by all accounts winthrop remained consistently concerned that his actions were not sufficiently serving god winthrop would ride that he was offering concerned that he was not doing enough in his position to promote godliness. This is something that seems to genuinely concerned him and later would be an important consideration when he goes to new england it when there was a scrubber to the idea that the best method to help keep saying obey was with a schedule so busy that his would be kept pure this means that his days were always highly structured events warnings of prayers work in business later in the day and capping the night off engaged in study was the name of the game for winthrop in his personal. Life winthrop was no stranger to grief either winthrop's first wife. Mary fourth died in sixteen fifteen shortly after her death with rope. Put mary again however within a year. His new wife would also be dead. It's sixteen eighteen married. Margaret tyndall didn't would survive longer than winthrop's. I do wives lives surviving until sixteen forty seven but the time that sixteen twenty eight rolled around when throws career was flourishing with rope was considering a move to london and by that time had become an attorney of the court of wards and liveries this was the position that for most people would have been the highlight of their career at the the same time however not always right with ropes world as we discussed last week throughout the sixteen twenty s the puritans in england. We're getting increasingly nervous about the way things were headed. The current movement of the church of england in a decidedly non calvinism direction had winthrop concern that such a move had england on the road to damnation in simple terms winthrop saw reform in the church as the path to salvation. If england continue down the path it was on that was going to result in the wrath of god being brought down upon in england and her subjects. When there had considered immigration before a one point he was considering going to ireland winthrop's ireland as a place where the enlightened englishmen could go and worship freely difficulties and selling his matter in groton would ultimately kill winthrop's plans to move to ireland what we get from this episode code however is the idea of leaving england was something that was always on the mind of winthrop the entire experience of considering a move to ireland took place sometime around sixteen twenty the three by the time sixteen twenty eight rolls around england is in a much more precarious place for the puritans charles by this point was looking more and more like an undercover catholic catholic and at the very least seemed interested in stamping out calvinism throughout england ireland may have fizzled but for john winthrop he was clearly worried about the direction of england and was open to the idea of leaving as for how winthrop learned about the massachusetts bay company that is something that has been largely lost a history was hanging out in london during the late sixteen twenty and was likely in contact with several people who were at least sympathetic to the cause of those looking ahead to new england if not personally involved it was aware of the preaching of john white who if you recall from last time was one of the main driving forces behind reorganising the dorchester company into the massachusetts bay company winthrop soon found himself at the forefront of a group that was looking at new england as a place to escape the growing hostility in the religious situation that was developing throughout throughout england in some ways it is surprising that winthrop would decide to immigrate to new england. This is sixteen twenty and sixteen twenty nine. Now there is no doubt about the condition of life in north america with rope an educated man would have known about the disasters at roanoke we knew about the starving jamestown the struggles and the high death rate in early early plymouth plus. Let's not forget the sixteen twenty two massacre in jamestown that had become sensational news back in england with rube strengths. Were quick to remind him as well that this was a a really bad idea at this point. They're basically saying to him. John what are you doing. You're not a young guy anymore and basically everybody who goes to north american dies. This is is it going to end. Well don't go joanne. Throw pover- had a few things going for. I he was increasingly prominent in england and may have seen going to new england as a chance to increase his personal influence. If wonder up wanted to remake the world around him the chances of accomplishing that in england during this period are extraordinarily slim. Yes he was influential but that influence only went so far in new england however winthrop could position himself in the central place where he would actually have the ability ability to create the new society that he so desired secondly. The massachusetts bay colony was going to prove to have a big difference. It certainly didn't hurt his interest that the leadership the colony was not going to be based in london like previous companies but in massachusetts itself this means that the ultimate decision orders weren't gonna be coming from the investors in london who had never seen milan or the conditions on the ground rather the colony was going to be run directly from massachusetts the decisions being made. We're going to flow out of actual real the world conditions at that moment and knock greedy investors it also meant that the colony was going to have a degree of tiny that neither jamestown nor plymouth ever for new the autonomy meant that massachusetts was going to have a much greater say in their own dealings and in the direction that their new society was going to move for a man like john winthrop through seems genuinely concerned with building a better society. This must have seemed like a dream come true if that all accounts show that it was right around the same time late july sixteen twenty nate that the company was seeking to move corporate headquarters to massachusetts and that's right about the time that winter a really becomes involved in the project personally the decision to move the headquarters from england to new england was not without political difficulty and in fact look to be something of a minor coup the puritans were not only interested in moving the headquarters but then pershing out those who disagreed with general plan winthrop unsurprisingly was all for this and throughout the planning for the transfer of the company to the new colony winthrop emerged as a leader a position that he's going to hold for much of the remainder of his life once went through personally made the decision to emigrate probably during the summer of sixteen twenty eight he quickly quickly found himself not only a leader but one of the primary promoters of the company winthrop wrote a document called the general observations which was meant to be a laundry list of the reasons for going into new england. This document became widely circulated. Amongst the relevant groups was one of the primary pieces of propaganda to get people on board with the idea of immigrating among among the ideas espoused in the general observations were one bring the gospel into america and raise a bulwark against the kingdom of the anti christ to go to a place of refuge from judgement of god that was about to descend on europe in light of the thirty years war three escape. The overpopulation of england england four escaped the growing inflation problem in england now just to interject briefly here. This may well be referring to the growing economic issues throughout throughout the region recall back from two episodes ago we had actually discussed the textile collapse that was devastating. The economy southeastern england five get away from oxford and cambridge and they're increasingly corrupt practices and teaching six god has given them the entire new world to go and improve and to once again. It's your jet here. All that uninhabited land just sitting there was wasting away against god's will it was in with rips mind their job to improve the land now of course he may be saying that the land wasn't an inhabited that the indians were there however for winthrop that doesn't really seem to count as of this moment. Nobody really recognizes can ask the indians had much right over the land. Don't worry that this belief will soon be challenged and that's something that we're going to have to wait until next time to address. Seven those going to new england would have the chance to lay the foundations of a new church eight. This entire observation ended with a plea from winthrop trip that basically positions the trip to new england as some kind of a mission. It was something that they had to do. The takeaway from from this seems pretty straightforward. England was an overcrowded pit of despair filled with heathens and a faltering economy new england offered a decent chance to escape this and start over again at the foundations of a new and better society by august of six twenty nine winthrop was one of a handful of men who had signed an agreement agreement to wrap up their business in england and agreed to make the voyage to settle new england throughout the summer of sixteen twenty nine meetings and negotiations continued towards the ultimate goal of moving moving the headquarters of the corporation to massachusetts for all of his work over the past year winthrop found himself elected governor of the colony on october twentieth sixteen twenty nine. It is a position that he would hold off and on for the rest of his life. It was decided that winthrop would initially travel alone. His wife would be following in the future sure she was pregnant. At the time drain his time as governor will still in england winthrop was involved in the actions of negotiating with those investors in england that didn't plan on going along to new england in flowery language winthrop told the investors that look the company is moving to new england. You guys aren't going to have a say in matters do the right thing. Take take the settlement and drop your interests. Oh and by the way god is watching you well. He was not entirely successful of pershing all of the lenin investors who will continue to cause problems for him in the coming years. He did manage to eliminate the majority of them. Thus ensuring more power would find itself centered in massachusetts and not back in london finally on april eighth sixteen thirty when th rope along with seven hundred other colonists would leave england and embark on a journey to the new world it is at roughly the same time that he left england that winthrop would deliver the sermon that would cement his legacy though unclear if the sermon malysz given in england shortly before the departure on the trip over or even possibly new england itself winthrop delivered a sermon known as the model of christian charity the sermon offered nothing in the way of plans for the colony a declaration of what the government structure should be or really anything that would be of any practical use in the colony when did deliver however was a vision for what new england should be. The model of christian charity was one of three works which was primarily aimed at stayed in the goals of the new immigrants to massachusetts. Their goals were twofold. They wanted to lay out what their mission was. The mission was to go over and work actively towards reforming forming the church these works the other being god's promised to his plantation by john cotton and the humble request which was also by winthrop sought to establish avenue that will reforming the church was the main priority they were not separatists when the rope and company had no plans to separate from the church of england they wanted to make that clear to everybody involved winthrop and those involved wanted to make sure that everybody backing lennon understood that they were all working for the same team in the model of christian charity winthrop will conclude by saying we shall find that the god of israel is among us when ten of us show be able to resist a thousand of our enemies enemies when he shall make us appraising glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations the lord make it likely that of new england four four we must consider that we as a city upon a hill the eyes of all the people are upon us so that if we shall deal falsely with our god in this work we we have undertaken and so caused him to withdraw his president help from us. We shall be made a story and b word through the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies. He's to speak evil of the way of god and all the professors for god's sake we shall shame the faces of many of god's worthy servants and caused their prayers to be turned into curses upon us to we become consumed out of the good land whether we are going the line from that speech for we must consider that we shelby as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all the people are upon us has the place as one of the most famous lines in american history. It serves almost <music> as a mission statement for what the united states itself wants to stand for today. The legacy of the line is so often portrayed in terms of democracy eighty or the moral attitudes of the united states which genuinely really is not winthrop had intended however the fact remains that the simple line by winthrop has withstood the the test of time and remains one of the building blocks that the united states recipe poetic sermons aside winthrop still is a columnist travelling to a harsh and unforgiving land after an initial dispute over the location of the colony in salem winthrop personally relocated to a new settlement off the charles river near massachusetts massachusetts bay in what would become boston winthrop's next task was going to be the establishment of a government. We talked last time about the government that was established in new england. The freemen who were members of the church had a vote for the assistant magistrates those magistrates would then vote for the office of governor it is important do not get carried away here and begin thinking that john winthrop was in any fashion early republican and just a quick note here on terminology because i want to be clear about this until we basically reached the civil a war. If you hear me mentioned republicans please no. I'm referring to small are republicans. In other words. These are not members of the modern republican party but rather these are those who advocate the creation of republic got it good terminology side. John winthrop was no republican winthrop government. It was essentially a limited democratic dictatorship sure members of the church did get a vote for their leaders but that's where democracy ended. This was not a complex complex form of government in fact it was unbelievably simple vote for the guy you want and then up until the next election they are going to have near absolute power additionally with was not a supporter of universal suffrage he in fact did all he could to limit the electric winthrop insisted that only those freeman men who were members of the church could vote this of course is going to have a widespread chilling effect members outta the church would have no voice in government likewise likewise by limiting who could vote it should the church would remain powerful. This isn't to say that when through wanted to establish anything looking like a theocracy instead he wanted wanted to limit suffrage to men whom he knew would support the puritan way of life in this way winthrop had not established democracy where the people act as the source the power rather winthrop had designed a system where a small group of loyal men tied more centrally to the church would become the source from which power could be obtained so sure john winthrop was willing to let church members be part of the electorate but at the same time is going to be a vast overstatement to refer to winthrop rope as being a pro republican or even particularly democratic the power of the governor which more often than not met winthrop had full rights over both the practical tactical function of the colony and the legislative function in terms of legislative action there was relatively little early in the colony law and order was important but they already had a law code the bible winthrop turn to the bible asses legal code and was sufficiently satisfied to simply follow out the punishments prescribed within initially during those early years winthrop would develop a rivalry with thomas dudley dudley would often find himself at odds with winthrop deadly repeatedly call that winthrop's policies then would become a general pain in the side of john winthrop biggest conflict between the men came over the laws. Both men supported the bible was there legal basis winthrop took a more lenient view understanding that colonial life was harsh winthrop supported acting in a manner that gave more lenient punishments deadly looking at this said. Hey we have a covenant with god. Who are you to disobey him when he came up with these punishments. Do you see a list of exceptions lunacy yeah me neither eventually winthrop would lose out and with those the governorship over these debates but don't feel too bad for winthrop. He is going to be back as governor soon enough well. There's really goes to show hover is that it's not like winthrop exists on an island in the colony. He does does have to deal with political pressures of the day and navigate the seas like anybody else. Ultimately with rope would become something of a moderate politically wedged in between the the more conservative thomas dudley who we've been talking about and eventually the more liberal minded roger williams who we are going to talk about in depth next time this isn't to say that winthrop would be a moderate by contemporary standards because no he really isn't but at this moment he found himself occupying that position this also moves us to a more central point about the politics and the beliefs of john winthrop winthrop often talks about covenants between the settlers and god this dominated the worldview of winthrop and was something that seemed always to be at the forefront of his policies in winthrop's mind. The people had an agreement with god in some ways this this is not terribly dissimilar from the political thought a century later during the american revolution john locke one of the biggest influences in the revolution believed that a social contract contract existed between the individual and their government. This is a very popular line of thought throughout the age of enlightenment and would be a central theme of the entire era winthrop's beliefs are not that out of line with this however he views the contract not as one between a body politic and the government but rather with god god as the sovereign in other words. There was a social contract between everybody and god and again. This is not to say that winthrop is some enlightened enlightened thinker. The guy really isn't winthrop was as previously discussed anti-democratic at his very core. If winthrop would right at one point that a democrat is amongst the most vile nations accounted the meanest and worst of all forms of government because i already said it once i want to be clear that democrat macron in this instance is a small democrat in this fashion winter viewed politics with a top down approach. There is a compact between god and the people as part of that government arises and liberty is something that comes from the government itself. The takeaway from all of this is that will well. It is tempting to try and make winthrop into some pro republican. He just isn't winthrop believed in a system that was top heavy power flow down from god through through the government and then eventually reached the individual god was the sovereign all power originated with him in idea like the people being the sovereign would have been ludicrous to winthrop so when looking at winthrop it is important to always keep in mind what he was and what he wasn't as much watches we want to shoehorn winthrop into enlightened voice. Preaching democracy winthrop wasn't that and shouldn't be seen as such winthrop's policies are rooted in the bible able not in the enlightenment for when throughout the chief argument against him over the years. We'll continue to be his relative leniency. The argument which began again with thomas dudley would continue as a running narrative through the later part of the sixteenth thirties despite the ongoing controversy winter would become governor again in the later half of the sixteenth thirties when throughput alternately forced and says the governor of massachusetts for a total of twelve years when ups chief concern remained the risk of separatism well certainly believed in reforming the church he would remain a staunch anti-separatists for the remainder of his life. This would often lead to tension between the the more separatist leaning members of the colony. This is going to be of particular importance to one dealing with roger. Williams williams was in comparison to winthrop. Nothing thinks short of a radical in his ideology a fierce separatists williams would into bouncing from church to church. None of them reached the level of purity that he was seeking. We are going to go ahead and leave roger williams alone for now however he is going to get his time in the next episode. It is the injured play however of these two men in that is really going to set the stage for some of the biggest controversies of the day and we're gonna see more of that next week for winthrop he would spend much of the rest of his career attempting into perry the repeated attempts to change the religious direction of the colony in two episodes time we are going to dig deeper into the increasingly complex religious situation in new england during the later half of the sixteen thirty s and moving into the sixteen forty s these attempts to steer the religious direction of the colony are always going to remain the most important thing for winthrop as you'll see drain that episode winthrop would spend the rest of his life right in the thick of the religious debate around new england well practical governance was was a pretty huge part of what he did after all the guy is the colonial governor in harshened unforgiving land he always remained tightly tethered to his puritan beliefs every decision he made was directed at maintaining the religious order that he helped established upon arrival in massachusetts however keep in mind that despite winthrop using religion as the basis for basically everything including how he runs the government he is not in favor of theocracy in fact winthrop was distinctly aware of the dangers that come with a theocracy and actively sought to avoid it and this makes sense think back to the origins of where the puritans come from cacophonous. They're coming out of the reformation. The entire purpose of the reformation is because the catholic church hierarchy had become so corrupt in the eyes of people liked luther so for winter he wants to avoid letting that kind of hierarchical structure form where the government and the church are so closely intertwined winthrop winthrop recognized the danger of having the church and the government being the same entity when they're wanted a government that would be protective of religion the government guided by religion however the church needed to remain separate of government and went through new it the church had no official authority in the government government and the government was careful not to allow the church to affect civil rights winthrop spent much of the sixteen forty s working through twin crises. The first question is was going to remain in massachusetts to begin with king charles finally relented and called for parliament that the great migration that had been going now for a decade not only ended if threatened to reverse course with parliament meeting again the doors were open to return to england however for winthrop he viewed his place as being in massachusetts wither had built something in massachusetts heat viewed his place in the world as remaining in the new world and working on supporting his more pure church at the same time however a crippling depression hit the colony in the sixteen forty s this depression that winter was personally forced to sell large amounts of his property property to pay his personal debts now without going into detail. The loss of his money was largely not winthrop's fault personally one of them in that he he had put in charge of helping rented the state's james lectured was basically really awful business and possibly corrupt lectured begun taking out large loans in winthrop's name loans loans that winthrop would never be able to pay back ultimately he costs winthrop huge amounts of money and lead with up to selling off large amounts of his property to pay back the debts winthrop had spent spent his entire life battling to create a better society through a more pure church by the summer of sixteen forty eight however winthrop's health had begun to decline despite this however for he does appear to remain a leading member of the colony throughout the year by february of sixteen forty nine winthrop had developed a fever and a cough winthrop would battle on for for another month on march twenty six sixteen forty nine. John winthrop died. What is the legacy of john winthrop winter. A clearly clearly is amongst the most important colonial founders he was often on in charge of the massachusetts bay colony nearly his entire time in america however being the governor alone is not really what makes winthrop a standout john winthrop came to massachusetts to create a society that he viewed as being more pure appear absent was the corruption of england instead what was left was a land where a more peer church could be created and flourish by and large he accomplished it sure he was always fighting a battle with separatist factions but winthrop had created a church that he at least would have you as far better than anything that had existed prior to him leaving england more than anything however the legacy of john winthrop survives through his single line in the model of christian charity. The idea <music> of a city on a hill is something that has remained incredibly enduring throughout the history of the united states in many ways it is almost like a mission statement for what the united states strives to stand for though originally written for settlers heading to the massachusetts bay colony it has become something that even to this day stands benzes a guiding mission of the united states john f kennedy ronald reagan george w bush barack obama are just some of the future presidents that would quote that line from winthrop even as i was sitting around writing this very episode. I saw an interview on t._v. Where a member of the house giving an interview with talking about the united states' it's position as a shining beacon on the hill. A common variant of the speech politically winthrop in his time ended up being something of a moderate within massachusetts. It's that is not to say over that. He was a moderate by any modern standards likewise as tempting as it is to try and tell with rope as a product of the enlightenment heat. He just really isn't sure he talks about there being a covenant which is a similar idea to the social contract with rope however always viewed power as something that comes from the the top and moves down this was it a social contract whereby the people had the power and agree to be governed instead. The power in this situation comes from god. Everybody below had better fall in line. Winthrop shows this in his creation of the government in massachusetts sure he makes it more democratic. He allows for a limited popular vote. However once voted into power that person was nearly absolute in their power winthrop would light it on this over time time much because necessity demanded it but at no point would you consider winthrop to be a particular proponent of democracy. Finally i want to mention the impressive aggressive legacy. That winthrop has left behind in terms of descendants. The winter family has remained a powerful political force throughout american history among the several important members of the family. You have robert winthrop the speaker of the house in the late eighteen forty s rubber with rope was the four-times great grandson grandson of john winthrop and just in case. You don't think the winter of family is still a force former senator from massachusetts secretary of state and democratic acquatic presidential candidate. John kerry is the eight time great grandchild of john winthrop so even after all these years. The winthrop family remains very much alive. I and politically influential well. John winthrop may have fallen short on the ladder in terms of forming a more revolutionary society winthrop's words continued to serve as something that the united states strives to be it is how the united states wants the world to view it and for that we have john winthrop to i think next time we are going to move on to the second biography episode of the show if john winthrop was a moderate than roger. Williams must have seemed like a radical in two weeks time we are going to dive in and start looking at the man who is so often at odds with john winthrop and who would ultimately earn his place as one of the earliest founding fathers until then i wanna thank you for listening and i will see you back here in two weeks as we look at the life of roger williams <music>.

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Episode 185: the silver dollar vine, Xerosicyos danguyi

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Episode 185: the silver dollar vine, Xerosicyos danguyi

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And if you commit to the legend or superfan level then you get extras like ask free versions of the show and two extra episodes a month in the fall of my extra leaf episodes. I've had a great week working on legends of leaf. My house plant books in production at the moment. This book is going to tell the story of twenty five iconic house plants and also dig into the secrets of making them. Thrive in your home you can pre-order a copy via the link on my website and there are loads of lovely things you can get from prints from the book to a copy of the coverall wouldn't learn to mix it up on the ledge so this week's show is really devoted to a little delve into one particular plant species the silver dollar vine. Zero six dangle dankali. It's an madagascar native that i picked up a couple of years ago now at the characters world live event and the i've rather fallen in love with this succulent foreign. So i hope you'll indulge me chatting to you about this plot for a few minutes in this episode but you know what it will be so much better if i had my plant in front of you. I'm talking so hang on a minute. I'm just gonna pop into the house and get my silver coin. Be right back just to yourselves. Did you miss me or back. Got my my zero six ios here. And what can i tell you about this plant. There are a lot of plants that reference money on their from plants that have coin shaped leaves like pilot pepperoni oevp's to plants. That are supposed to bring you good luck. In some way like precare aquatic and also the jade tree chrysler of autre but this plant is definitely in the camp of being named after the shape of its leaves because they really do look quite like coins. The mature leaves already quite thick and chunky. I would say there were good almost half a centimeter in depth and they all quite round. The young growth starts of quite tender and a lot less chunky and then as relief matures it becomes very very sturdy studying solid and this is Vining plant is often described as liana because in its native madagascar eat grows in semi arid bushland type territory. Where there's plenty of other trees and shrubs around a dade likes to clamber around through those trees and shrubs has a good little trick for clambering around. It has tendrils now when you look at these tendrils. It reminds remind you of a cucumber plant or melon plant. And that's because actually heiress issues is part of the queue kirby tayshia family the q. Kirby family which includes things like melons and goods and cucumbers so these ten rules that produced by the young growth latch on to anything. It can find an allow it to climb. My plan is still quite young. This was probably a cutting taken about two years ago. And i've got about thirty centimeters of growth all. I haven't propagated this plot yet. But i probably will do at some point. We'll come onto propagation in a bit and the genus name. is there. Well that comes from. Two greek words xeros meaning dry and ios meaning cucumbers. So there we go. There's the cucumber remembrance. There are total of six species in this genus. There's not a huge genus. And they're all found on madagascar which is off the coast of africa. The two best known of the other species are zero. six ios perea ally and their issues besson's and the latter is particularly well known amongst succulent collectors. Because it's a cord disa- form in fact all these species across has called form but it's pure besson's that has this huge codex as it grows older. What's accord were cortex just mean stem. But it's also taken on the meaning or a swollen basal stem a big fat potato looking thing which sits on the surface of the soil and acts as a great reservoir for water and nutrients for these plots. I suspect the reason why Zero six ios dongyue doesn't have the codex ican store so much water in these leaves. These coon shaped leaves whereas p. aides and pereira. I don't seem to have the same kind of succulents to their leaves. In fact they are deciduous so they lose their leaves for part of the year whereas thank you young keeps. Its leaves all year round and deng you is from the south and southwest of madagascar around the city of toliara and this is a place where temperatures never really get below about fifteen degrees centigrade. That's about fifty eight fifty nine fahrenheit and for most of the year the temperatures around the mid to high twenty centigrade so midst mid seventies fahrenheit also unfortunately all of the zero ios species are to some extent under threat. I think pereria is particularly under threat because of that cortex it makes it a very appealing thing for collectors to take from the wild and sell so the first thing i'd say if you want to acquire one of the specimens of this genus is please please please make sure that you're getting it from somebody who has not well collected your plant. Certainly with dangle it pretty easy to propagate so there should be plenty of opportunity to get hold of plants that have been cultivated in captivity as it were. We've talked often in the show about plant poaching and the wonderful plans of madagascar under a lot of threat from deforestation and removal of plant habitats as well as plant collectors. So we really need to be conserving. The very precious flora off madagascar. And if you're interested in exploring this further as a great twitter account which is at team. Kmc which is the cute madagascar conservation center. Which is working to stop biodiversity loss in madagascar the flowers of zero see. Ceo's you are really not that exciting but there is something interesting to say about them and that is that this is a diary ships species. What does that mean. Well it means that plants are either male or female in other words. They produced a male flower. All they produce a female flout they don't produce as opposed to a mono issues plant which has both the male and female flowers or in some cases monetary. Shes plants have so-called perfect flowers which contain both a male and the female sex organs. So give you another house. Plant example begonias their monory shoes on the got male and female flowers that all separate. But they're on the same plot. Which if you have ever examined your begonia closely you'll notice and the diary shes plants. Well there's the commodore is in the palm family. And also you phobia a visa or turkish temple all the talk gulf ball whichever it's con- named you want to use that's also a dial inches plants get male and female specimens. I'll put a link in the show. That explains a bit more detail about this subject. The flowers in themselves are not that dramatic. They are sort of yellowy. Green eloquent small oncoming clusters. I mean not actually dissimilar to wear flowers although a lot less dramatic. And i've put a picture of what i think. Are the male flowers on my show notes. And i've linked to some female flowers in those notes as well so you can have a look and compare and contrast so if you did want to produce seed you'd need to make sure that you had a male and female plant and i'm not sure whether when you buy one you'll be able to establish this possibly if you have a very knowledgeable grow up you may just have to take potluck. I mean that said gr growing this plant from seed is probably not that wise an idea because it is so easy to propagate and indeed. let's get onto that now now. my plant. I'm just looking at it now and i was wondering about whether i would propagate but i've read a bit more about propagating. This plan and the advice seems to be that propagation happens much more readily from mature stems so at the minute. I'm thinking that. I'm not going to cut it back because it is really still quite small at the moment but if i was going to cut i would need to be taking whole sections of stem because unlike various of a succulent species this does not propagate from a single leaf so in a way it is bit. Like where i you see. You see those lovely leaves heart shaped leaves in an individual popper it may grow roots but it will just never continue to grow into anything beyond the leave a seeming. There's no stem. Attached seen section of stem. I've leaned in the shadows. Were videos showing the propagation of zero six ios. Thank you ye. There's different methods people. Use the pretty video by wonderful woman. Could who has an account called. Maria plants did go look at bat. She's so much fun. And she shows propagating by cutting up a vine and just taking one section of stem with one or two nodes and one leaf attached the video that are linked to shows four leaf cuttings. I don't think it really matters which you wanna go for. I guess that if you if you're going to sort of bulk production than the one leaf options probably the way to go. But if you're not looking to produce that many plants it may be safer to go for a four leaf cutting make that bigger with with more nodes on an all succulent cuttings. It's it's really important that you allow the cut to end to callous over day or two in the fresh air before you actually. You're cutting up into some gritty compost in terms of your substrate. This plant actually is growing in pure pumice because this is what it came in. And i haven't reported yet on just wondering lifting out this part and throwing throwing pumice around my desk with the russian have a gut reporting it I suspect it's fine in here because it's got nothing no sign of routes coming out the bottom and i'm not sure wanted to disturb at the moment but when i report i probably will put it into a mix is not pure promised because most of my house plants andy. My succulents are in a soil. Mix rather than this kind of mix and it just makes care easier across the board if you can apply the same levels of fertilizer because pumice is nutrient free. Do have to use more fertilizer when you're using that particular type of substrate so yeah i think this is doing okay at the minute. This plot is one that will grow vigorously during the rainy season in its home nation of madagascar and so spring and early summer is when it's really putting growth on where i am here in the uk on at the minute is doing really nicely. I can see i've got. I'm just gonna actually get my little magnifying glass out here. Because i'm not sure if i've got flowers coming over five got two more leaves. Hang on as always. I have a story about my squeaky chair. I have a magnifying glass. In moi draw. Take a look and see if i can see what this tiny knob is gonna turn into. You know. i think that tiny knob is going to be a flower bud. But i'll keep you posted. Can't quite see see. It's so tiny that it's hard to see. But i think that's going to be a flower which is exciting and yeah this plot will grow lock during that growth season and then it will have a nice rest over the windsor. And that's when you want to keep it a little bit cooler and keep that potting mix really quite dry. This is known as according to form plant so it must have some kind of stem. I'm just gonna dig around in the pauline. See if i can see anything in the way of A swelling look. I'm digging. yeah. I mean when i've talked down about an inch now on i can see that the stem is somewhat swollen. This is quite young cuttings or hasn't had much time to develop. But that's will help the planter to to keep moist in a town times when there's not much water available and say those leaves are really the key because they are so. They're so firm and solid once they have reached maturity that you can imagine. There's an awful lot of water stored in those two. So i'm hoping this will will allow me to spring now. And i don't know quite what i'm gonna do in terms of supporting or otherwise this plot. I have seen it growing in various ways. I put a picture in the show notes of a wonderful garden in california where this is grown in air escaping outdoor scheme obviously there Very mild winters. It will be possible to grow this outside. And there's a beautiful escaping bed which you can see and this plant features there in his country scrambling around among other cacti and succulents. I think i could put something in there to support it but in the mini. I'm allowing it to dangle. And i suspect what it will want to do with those tendrils at some point east. Grab onto something and i find this with my heuer's that they grow better when they're actually given something to grab so i will be providing some support for this plant once it gets a little bit longer but if you just want to let it go crazy then you can and it but it's always going to be seeking out. Support is what i'm trying to say. So we've talked a little bit about propagation. We've talked about the flowers. What else to say feeding wise. I think you just we've already said about feeding. This is a plant that is used to living in places where the soil is not going to be nature rich. See don't eat be lobbying on the house. Plant feed all the time. Yes a good weekly feed when the plants in active growth but week week. Diluted is what i'd recommend. But i've already said be aware of what substrate you're using and whether it already contains nutrients so you're putting into some kind of soil base mix or compost mix then there will be nutrients in that stuff already so give the planet a chance to use those nutrients before you start feeding. So that's is there assist ios. Dang i and. I'm glad that i'm able to bring you some information about this plot. I'm just gonna drop in here if you're in the mood for trailing succulents and who isn't to other trading succulents that i rather like the rat tail. Cactus poorer cactus fledgling four miss. Now i recently got hold of one of these. It was sort of a rescue mission for where somebody had contacted the british cactus and succulent society asking for somebody's takes implants and one of the plants. I ended up with. Was this plot. The rat tail cactus. Which i have no heart since i was a child. And as the name suggests these rat tail like trailing stems and mine hasn't flower jet because it's sort of still recovering but i have had some of the rats tails fool off so i am rooting those to make some new plants. It does have these lovely flowers in spring and summer and they usually kinda reddish color beautiful like most cactus flowers on needs from a different continent than zero six ios. This one's from central america parts of mexico and like the rip solace and lopez. Ma'am this is usually to be found growing in trees or sometimes in rocks which gives you a clue about its potting needs funnel one author ca pences commonly known as ruby necklace. And think string of pearls. But you've got these sort of being shaped leaves on bright purple stem and this one comes from the acing caper south africa. Like so many succulents. Do i have a feeling that. The genus on this was recently changed crass owner which is strange But i mostly you'll still see it sold as a fun pence's it's a member of the asteroid and if you look at the flowers probably will realize that because there little yellow daisies. I think this one's a little bit easier possibly than curia raleigh. The string of pearls. Maybe you disagree but you do have to do the usual succulent things of making sure that substrates really nice and free draining and making sure that the plant gets a cool dry rest period am during the growing season. Really ramp up the watering. If you put it in full sun typically outside it will go really really bright red. But obviously if it's in a more shady spot then it will stay much greener so harare for the trailing succulents. Those are three of my favorites and three. You might not have tried now. It's time for meat listener. And this week's listener. Greg who you might know from the facebook group house. Plum fans have on the ledge where he's a regular poster. Let's hear from him now. My name is greg. I live in coastal southern california in an apartment with my boyfriend are pets and the plans. I have an extensive collection of house plants. An extensive collection of potted outdoor plants on our balcony and i maintain the plant installation helped to design and install at the local public aquarium. So when i get my fix at home. I go to the plan over there to question one. You've been selected to travel to mars as part of the first human colony on the red planet. There's only room for one house blonde from your collection on board which plant the cheese. If i were to go to mars and live there i would bring a golden. Golden post does not necessarily sound like the most interesting choice at first. But if you're going to mars you're probably not going to be able to get another plant shift to you. If the one you bring dies so i would really want to bring something. That i was confident would not die on me. And if you think about gordon you can easily divide it up into multiple plants. It takes a lot of different conditions in terms of light and water. It doesn't really mind not getting much nutrients so it seems like a really good choice in that regard and then in terms of it being kind of boring it might be boring here on earth but once you're on mars it's a plant from another planet and i'd say that's pretty exotic question to what is your favorite episode of on the ledge. My favorite episode is episode one sixty four. Because the guest. I think his name was travis. Talks to jane about how. Jane wanted to be more expressive with clothing options clothing choices when she was a kid and jane expressed regret that she hadn't been kind of more putting yourself out there as a kid. And then travis said what if you start doing that now and then inspired me to start dying my hair when i was a teenager. I always wanted to do it in my twenties. I always wanted to do it. But i was afraid to. For some reason so even though it might seem like a pretty insignificant action the fact that i was overcoming this fear of how people would view me expressing myself made it pretty significant. I dyed it purple. And currently it's block on top law and on the sides and on the back of question which latin name do you see to impress p poop so the name that i used to impress people. I don't have one. But there's a latin name that i would be impressed by someone else can say it. It's the name of an orchid endemic to madagascar that is critically endangered. It is critically endangered because the pollinator for the orchid has gone extinct. It's cold in grey. Come long cal car. Improbably saying that wrong but the species is l. o. n. g. i. c. a. l. c. a. r. I think so if you can say that. I'm impressed by you. Question fool you nation as metabolism hookah attention. I'm the sort of person who will to a bookstore in viable. Because i'm excited about the prospect of learning something. And then i never read the book and i have a bunch of books i've ever read similarly. I am not familiar with cam. I am familiar with guitar. So i'd have to say cam because like all of the unread books. I own the cam. Photosynthesis wikipedia pages unread wikipedia page. But i'm excited about day reading. So i'll tell you what if you feature me in the podcast. I'll read that whole wikipedia. Article talked about question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on variegated monster all two hundred pounds on twenty interesting cacti. I would go with the two hundred dollar monster. I have quite a large collection of cacti and succulents just to pick one genus off. The top of my head of many genera In my clutch and dudley. So i have a dudley dudley. A- insult loris w package them dalia fair nossa Dudley a tony. I attend you. Oughta dudley sign mosa big war or a mountain. I have quite a few so i. I don't have an established variegate amongst era. So it'd be cool for that reason and then as you might be able to guess with so many cacti and succulents. I don't have that much space for twenty more. Thank you greg and now it's time questioned the week which comes from claire. Who sent me a picture of a philodendron brazil. Doing its thing. Stunning table with to macbooks. And a glass with lemon in it. I don't know why. I love those household details. But they was making me small. So what about your philodendron brazil is concerning you. Claire claire says this is the only trailing plan or having a nausea on getting the best room from it. How can i make it fill out more. It gets really long and i give it yearly head haircuts but it hasn't really expanded. I lost a trail during winter as it was weak at the roots. Should i nip off the bottom and drive more. Propagating typically crisscrossed the plant to give it a comb over to make it look fuller. Put less pressure on the week roots where they meet the soil as that fell. Intuitive any helped make this plant thrive really wonderful okay so it looks like this. Philodendron brazil is very healthy. There's nothing wrong with this plant in terms of The leaves all look good and healthy. Like most philodendron brazil's the variegation is very variable on this plot. People often panic because they get one leaf. This all lime green rather than the standard pattern of dark green with a con of loin green streak in the middle running down the middle of that heart shaped leaf. But you know you get all kinds of variants. Which is why. I'm very very doubtful about these very very expensive. Oh it's brazil but it's got this cream splash or whatever. It's supposed to be like that. It's just this whole species is variable. I mean just think about human beings where we're all in the same species but we will look really different undone. Philodendron hetero regime is a bit like that. That's the species name of the philodendron brazil. So that's not to worry about. But i see what you mean claire. Because you've only got. I think two stems going into the soil. Howdy might this plant bushier. I like the idea of crossing over the stems to sort of make the plants to support itself. I had this problem with my field engine. Brazil and i'll tell you what sold it for me. And that was growing it up a support. Lots of these plants a bull do okay trailing but i find that they tend to just grow better when they have gotten more support so i put mine on short covering shape support which i will i think i blinked too in the show notes before. But i'll try to dig out on find a link for it's basically made of plastic covered wire and it's a bit like an obelisk it's open at the top so it's a set of circles joined by vertical wires and the beauty of that is it means you can tie it in and as long as you can tied in again and it just means that there's not so much strain on those stems as the plant grows longer looking at the port claire. It looks like quite a big pot for the number of stems. You have now when you reported. I don't know whether there was a fool route bowl there. That's pretty much the whole pot or whether the roots made up a very small minority of the volume of that part. But that's something to think about because if you've got roots in port where there's a lot soil and not much route a they're much more likely to be under pressure and falling out and be you just get kind of rootless soil which when water gets very clumpy. I'm wet doesn't really drain very well. So it may be the need to downsize that potter little and a router as possibly recommend some kind of trellis or support. If you don't want to do that. I think the main thing he can do is just take loads of cuttings. You've got some really long growth there. At the end you could definitely take. Oh five six seven eight cuttings each with one node. Propagate those and then i would just add them into the top of the pot. This is what i've done with mine and it's worked a treat so propagating those just make sure you snip of just above node and then trimmed to just below node remembering the node is just the point where the leaf stalk the petiot joins. The stem says it'll bumpy. Bid on the stand so cop just above a node and then trim that cutting just below node. because that's where the roots will be produced from trimmed down the leave. So you left with one or two leaves. And i would usually stick philodendron brazil in water propagate and it shouldn't take too long to produce roots and then once you've got a decent root system you could just make some space in the top of the partner and chuck it in that. That's what i did is sounds kinda brutal but did work. If you don't wanna do that you could just wait. Until about plant needs reporting and then amalgamate the cuttings in with the original route ball at that point but i think you can make loads of cuttings and you could definitely fill up that pot. Claire you may end up with a small applaud temporarily but ultimately will help to push it out. It will also help to push it out because you're doing. What's called removing apolitical dominance. In other words once that stan is cut it will encourage the plant to push out more side sheets and hopefully grow longer and this is a problem. That does want to do that. Because you'll notice little knobs on the dam and that is the start or routes which will form either to help the planck cling onto something or indeed to make new cutting if you cut it off. So that's my suggestions for you claire. I think you're plant will be fine. It's a really lovely plant. This super tough minds suffering from some aphids at the minute but aside from that i just find this a real easy plot are not a great arrowhead Grower but this is one that i find super easy. So i think you will be okay and it's always worth taking some extra cuttings of any plant that you love because you just never know what's going to happen to the main plant and that way you got some to give away to friends or indeed to just make this plot look fuller. That's question of the week done. And if you've got a question for me drop me a line to on the ledge. Podcast at g mail dot com and i will endeavor to provide you with an answer. I can't provide a reply for everybody. Because i just get so many messages these days but i do. Try to answer as many as i possibly can. So do also consider joining the facebook group. Houseplant fans of on the ledge where their lose of knowledgeable listeners who will be able to help you All this week show. I will be back next. Friday may the twenty eighth twenty twenty. One there won't be a show on june the fourth. Because i'm taking short break. But i'll be back on june the eleventh and before i go. I've got a message for you from your house. Plants they like to say thanks for everything you do. The music you heard in this episode was roll jordan roll by the joy drums the road. We used to travel when we were kids. By and the tracks chiefs and endeavor both by dissolve the ad music was still pickles by the halftime banjo. Orchestra tracks and licensed under creative commons visit. Jane perron dot com for details.

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 Andrew Luck Retires, Lakers sign Dwight, DBook Crying in Pickup & World Series Predictions

Real_Sports: A Snapchat Sports Pod

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Andrew Luck Retires, Lakers sign Dwight, DBook Crying in Pickup & World Series Predictions

"Welcome to episode twenty three of the real sports podcast snapchat sports pod on this episode episode. We're talking andrew locks retirement just straight out the blow boogie cousins <hes> injury and dwight howard replacing him and some m._l._b. playoff prediction so let's get it right. Football offers a cut ballgame the real sports fan. I'm i'm your host jackson under supports on snap chat account big news coming soon on the snap and the pod but until we get there. We're just gonna keep view in the dark meat. Today is my co host as always a ban on abel's going on brother. What's up eight episodes twenty three. I i was trying to think of the number twenty. Three's just brainstorming throughout the day. I couldn't think of many you have any. I really don't have many besides like obviously. My instagram is jay settlements twenty three hours when he third <hes>. I don't really have any we'll have to think about as lou williams might work twenty three i. I think you're right <hes>. I'm trying to think of some other goods funny. If it comes us it comes us that the end <hes> but i <hes> let's just this get into where where were you in news game down. Where was i all right here. Here's a funny story so <hes> i was working and for those who don't know what i do. I i make an set <hes> gambling odds in prices for different from bats of all sports whatever so when the news broke what standard procedure is in my office to do is to pull down every bet that has andrew lock the colts <unk> anything related to the colts t. y. Hilton bats blah blah poem off the site immediately well and this might have been an inside job. I don't now. I gotta do some research into who's working in my building but it's like ten forty five last night in the fire alarm goes off so me and a few of my buddies that i work with yes we had to evacuate the building and i swear jack where outside for thirty seconds and all star buzzing and there's literally nothing we can do. We can't can't go in the building. Andrew walker just retired. I was like i follow so many like parody. Adam schefter accounts comedy accounts that like just keep me humble from here from every now and then like if i see something and i believe it. I just got to take a step back and question myself so that's what i thought this was immediately. He like this was a joke. Andrew lock wasn't retiring and behold. I mean this was absolutely wild. There's no other way to put it. I mean i just got for taxes like andrew lock w t s and one of them was may right yeah. I was just kinda like like what do you mean. He tore tors. May or something like i was going to be out for like the season because of the season for sure. Will oh definitely be out for the season <hes> but let's let's just talk about the issue at hand which is he gets booed coming off the field so i'm curious 'cause. I'm going to have a little rant on it but if you wanna get your two cents in on what we're thoughts were on the boeing on his decision on the whole thing <unk> overall overall. I well the buring first off. There's no other way around. It's fucked up like the guy retired for legitimate reasons. <hes> i understand understand as a family. That's your first reaction like like when the for instance when the raptors fans booed the katie injury in game six they they weren't or they cheered are sorry so it was a similar situation except ones for the opponent and once for your own guy. It's a similar situation. The gut instinct as a human being is just to react does a fan and i totally understand that <hes> that doesn't make it right but like i don't know it's definitely messed up that they booed but in the same aim breath <hes> did andrew luck do much for the colts it out in his six years when he was on the field so administered interesting that when he was on the field he had the third most of the second passing touchdowns in his first six n._f._l. Seasons he had the third most passing yards in n._f._l. N._f._l. history throughout his first six chelsea's <unk> the guy's biggest accomplishment was a cincinnati bengals wildcard playoff win of now his biggest biggest one was the twenty eight point comeback against the chiefs which is an epic comeback he never will he went to the a._f._c. Championship against the patriots deflate deflate gate game so essentially he was short of a civil by game and a lotta people wanna put it on the g._m. Because he never they drafted three offensive offensive lineman <hes> before the seven ounce or one through six while while he was there and all three were absolutely horrible until right but that's that's what makes the timing of this so weird it is like they finally have one of the top offense of lines and football if not the offense. That's hurting again so that i know that but they finally have that they have very good defense. They have a competent jama competent coach like this was the year where like andrew lock in the culture going forward that are very trendy be pick and it's just like it's my modeling at this time but the one thing that i wanna point out is gronk retired this offseason right right. Do we hear a single word about the fact that gronk was retiring and how it was unfair. Fair to the organization on my only <unk> ahead is the only counters that there's a few weeks before the season. I get it like i guess that is the difference in the two but like what what's the difference between him and gronk visitor difference between him and gronk in this situation not the impact on like for the organization but the fact that locks came out of the clear blue sky whereas there's been reports of gronk mulling retirement for like a few seasons now because of all these back injuries i get it. They've had the same injuries but that's like the the true difference is that patriots fans not only do they have nothing to be sad about because all all they do is win but they knew that this was kind of inevitable whereas colts fans that makes the different whereas colts fans had this this this whole like they could go to the super bowl this year like finally lock was gonna do peyton did for them and live up to it and that that's really it was just the element of surprise like back. If this had been a story for the past few months like the culture awaiting andrew walks decision than it wouldn't have happened the way it did so i get the fans booing booing him because it's just like you're saying i i don't agree with it but i understand why i don't agree with that either but the idiots online who had time time to actually take it in think about it and then what out tweets reports and stuff digging on andrew lock is one of the craziest things things i've ever said i bought this is mental and physical health. We're talking about is isn't so it's not like he broke his winger this mental and physical health that he's putting at risk for the rest of his life. He just had a kid. He has a happy wife. He said the game was not fun for him at all. It was just a rehabbing an injury process. Ah i understand that but i mean it in my opinion it was just the element of surprise. I don't think <unk> actually feel as a whole the way they were kind one of viewed in the public cy last night but like it's crazy like he was supposed to be like the the next coming of peyton for the colts holt and like he was amongst many scouts the highest grade quarterback like coming out of college like maybe ever i mean. I know you have t- law over him. It aiden is painting and then it was him and then it will be larence as like the three you can't miss quarterback so luck was supposed to be like the colts holtz next peyton from all right so payton left the colts in twenty twelve. I believe then lock and peyton side-by-side by side. Stats are pretty wild. <unk> lock has a worse winning percentage sixty one percent to seventy nine a worse completion percentage worse yards for game a worst passer rating andrew lock. I mean payton went to two super bowls. Am wanted granted. I know the defense carried him and he didn't actually he wasn't actually the reason. The the broncos won that super bowl but it's just crazy to think that the colts had this decision and granted at the time. It was the right decision like you have. It was the right decision decision but it's crazy to look back and see the side by side numbers from twenty twelve in peyton is x. amount of years older than andrew lock turning earning thirty or something next month and just pay in numbers just beat him since he left the colts i mean the internet is just a funny place because because our internet's hazing. How old are you twenty three yeah. I thought you should know that but okay twenty three and twenty three <hes> which is nice. Oh by the way i found some athletes <hes> j._r. Smith has worn twenty three before john yet. Jimmy butler arian in foster has worn david freeze that big r._b._i. Devin hester but the internet several be it that i think that is everyone so we're both twenty three locks twenty nine turning thirty so in seven years. If i told you you could be married with the family a kid have a hundred million dollars. Would you question anything so like like if if it's really just a matter of his physical mental health and what he gains from walking right away from a game that he plays for our entertainment obviously he gets compensated amazingly. That's why has one hundred million dollars but it's just a game at the end of the day and you know really for our entertainment. There's obviously real life jobs to this and it really does impact the economy but to walk away from the game. That's gonna make you healthier make you happier. You'll have one hundred mil in the bank and in a family to live your life and not have any pete's not p._t._s._d. But <hes> c._t._e. Any aching injury like it's it's almost a no brainer. The fact that he would even even consider playing on isn't is done over the past couple of years so you left a ton of money on the table but it's <unk>. You saw the press conference press conference. This was genuine. He was the most beat up about this and he took it like a champ because he had a plan. His plan was the lettuce teammates now. Let the organization let us go now and then they were going to let the public is going to forget clock today right and then and then it's someone else's job in journalism they find out the tip so today they break the story and what did luck do. He didn't hide itsel today. He he acknowledged everything. He spoke extremely transparently extremely open. You did like a true through proud and it's a great great way of handling it so i'm off. There's one more thing so you know. I'm a big conspiracy atheist right yeah we note x._f._l. Okay so let's just tell the listeners a little digging on the internet and i just don't happen to find out that andrew father oliver lock is the commissioner of the x._f._l. Now the x._f._l. Is they just came out with teams. I'm personally the houston roughnecks fan jack do the vipers tampa bay vipers. I hated that logo by the way i'm a big rough rough rough neck fan but anyway this league is just coming out. They have one quarterback committed right now oliver lock his father is the commissioner you're telling me oliver locks not trying to top vince mcmahon to have them throw a sizable amount of money to come have andrew lock play in a less competitive league a game a season that has less games in the n._f._l. Has less turn your body now granted. I believe andrew lock is really gonna stick away because he just seems like a guy that doesn't need football like you just get a travel around and everything just enjoyed within live with a smile on his face but it'd be wrong if i didn't try and spin listen a conspiracy theory so look out for andrew lock ama- houston roughnecks making a push farm ridiculous <hes> anyone anyone has any words about andrew lock for me. Please find me. I wanna talk to some people in the d._m._z. about this if you're to chat about this on fan i'm sure we have some colts fans out there the majority of coats vans who responded semi snap story when i posted the news where they were just more sad than anything anything. I don't think a lot we're angry. I actually didn't see any responses which i was happy about. But you know we obviously saw fan. The colts fan you want me to help you spin this jack. The coach of the coach of the colts <hes> shrank right frank reich also was the offensive coordinator slash q._b. Coach of of the eagles when we won the super bowl so i think he knows what he's doing with backup quarterbacks jacoby so you're you aren't doing your job because there is a fake fire <hes> but i managed to get down to money that coates would win under nine half god. I ended up getting money on the jags over eight at plus one on fifteen so i did something when the division so if if if everything pans out even more giveaways for the real sports venture this all whole lot nothing really made me think like what if the eagles did franchise tag nick foles right now like what are we getting for him from the colts like they're blowing up our phone about him. Yeah absolutely absolutely <unk>. There's a like maybe keenum will actually people are really high on. He's only twenty six. He's been entering by ballot check. He did just as much as essentially jimmy. G. did it one bad season. <unk> like it was a it was his first year in the offense and everything so they're hopeful and i actually think there are good coaches in in india. I'm curious to see how how it goes. I would love to see him succeed as long as it's james. I really don't think the colts are going to be as bad as people think like they have a stout very good young defense and that might just like i said one of the best offensive line football starts up front. It's obviously there's been probably bigger drop offs in the past but when luxton off the field the colts have been the worst team in all football like over the past six years doesn't play they just lose and that's why his impact is going to be missed so so much even more set like when payne left they were horrible and when loch was hurt they were horrible. So <hes> i think is a better replacement than they've had in the past but i don't think they're attacking for t- law i mean that imagined that string of vegas walkout peyton to lock the <unk> would be insanity. It'd be the three most highly touted prospects quarterback of twenty years for the record by the way we were talking about the weapons he has around him. I've told you i was a big fan of marlin mac. Yeah we're getting the marling. Take it back. I really did think he was poised for big year and i think he's a really good running back and we'll definitely discussed discuss that on thursdays. Pod stay tuned for our fantasy pod. I personally have two drafts this week one tomorrow one wednesday so i'm kind of in mock draft graf mode but i'm not as high as i was on marla mac anymore good. You're you locked out then no well while while to immune to do that which is pretty fussy. I've seen those jokes all over twitter already really walk your scares you c. J. simpson's tweet yeah yeah. That was crazy. Oh that was extra funny a bunch of people drafting him like and lamar miller. I saw one guy had lamar unlock ten minutes last year. Last year. I drafted crafted jerick mckinnon. He got hurt twelve hours later <hes> blake griffin anthony davis frank core on number twenty three so that kinda rounds rounds out the loan okay so sliding over the basketball before we talked white and demarcus. Did you know that stephon couriers older than derrick rose. I literally just saw that before. We hit record on this. How crazy that crazy water by like like because when you thing a seventy thing of the young the young guy. I know he's been a new generation. You think of de rose you think about the n._b._a. And that won m._v._p. Season he had you think he's like fifty. People forget when derrick rose m._v._p. He was the youngest m._v._p. And week history by the way when i was looking at the the warriors lineups legion hoops is really good jobs putting out updated lineups. They're going to be nasty and i've said it more out the warriors when clay comes back its staff di lello clay draymond kevon looney willie cauley stein like they're going to be very very good. I saw all the same. I saw the same graphic that you did and they put willie. Collies third enough onto mckinney in their starting five are calling san could start art learning. I don't think you will but they put mckinney because they put on the bench. Which is fair is coming off the but you're telling me that five isn't one of the best in the league league you're crazy. They want defend a lick. Who's gonna stop them on off probably will get into us in the n._b._a.'s not yet jack not yet so your a favorite team the los angeles lake through that's not stop doing this all right wipe your west coast team because apparently every teams on both coasts i oh i just i don't understand why can't be supportive of another team like i need every other team to go with eighty two. That's unreasonable. I'm a basketball fan would would you rather the lakers win the title now. I can't even come up with some foot so here's days a week. Now i get that brought. Let's say the sixers are out. They limit in the second round lake. Show aca joe johns <hes> still the lakers signed dwight because boogie got hurt in practice which is another like like andrew lock boogie. I feel so bad for bogey. It just get married this weekend. So congrats boogieing rat loves. I'll throw another other hilarious turnaround. Remember when bogeyed literally eighteen months ago was most hated playing basketball. He was a cancer to the team getting constantly tact. He couldn't win and then now now he's like everyone loves him there on the side because he's gone for a guy that wanted to do was to get that big contract. It's just like everything collide yeah but you have and then you have his antithesis would just white dwarf was everyone's favorite player in the league. He was the youngest center to lead a team into an n._b._a. Finals and then just since then it's been a constant drop off to now like the funniest tweet was wrong. I figured if it was shams but they tweeted like rajon. Rondo jovanovski had the sign off on these going in different direction. I didn't even know this was is like such a like corey looked upon player in the league. He's just he could constantly the story about him beefing with coaches and front office awesome thinking that his role should be bigger than it is for like people have to understand that the n._b._a. Is just like change. Yeah what i saw was. The most intriguing intriguing thing to me is so the lakers sat down with dwight howard and wanted to say like can they trust and blah blah blah blah blah in his role like <unk> trust him to embrace a plus a role that he's accustomed to it is all day he was obviously one of the best hunters in the league if not the best center in the league and he was treated as such and then obviously he's fallen off. You know it's interesting two years ago in charlotte. He averaged seventeen in thirteen a glass so he was averaging like a high. I am triple-double. I mean sorry double-double seventeen or eighteen in charlotte your and he went to watch some stories. I came out of that yeah yeah but anyway so there was a meeting with the lakers and i see a quote from its james tweeted says. Can we trust you to guard the likes of joel l. embiid. Can we trust you to embrace your all. He must be one damn good lawyer to convince him that he can defend wallaby at this stage in his career. You okay okay whoa whoa he still like if anything i'm worried about his offensive game defensively. I think he could lock him. Be at what what do you think has changed. Apparently he moved his twenty pounds every off season. That's like the new thing with duarte. He's added something to his game and then we never say it. I mean seventeen and thirteen in charlotte. You're plugging in seventeen and thirty or you plug in tannan. I need that feel massively productive for lakers of course it is i just don't think he's in the life of the top one or two in basketball no doubt out that in my mind that he'll be able to guard i just don't. I don't think it'll be a risk score on the likes of m._v._p. Won't be able to guard out in space and on the perimeter out into throw a a small small than than hell throws than the lakers also throw small bone play five what he's presenting which is the reason they signed him. Just give a b.'s not willing to play. The five lakers aren't gonna win the championship. I agree and this is honestly like people shitting on the the lakers for this move just because it's the lakers another big name is the brawn james watt. It's just memes like people on the internet are so obsessed with means and so their whole vision of sports gets like confused. I think is amazing basco fire. He's been pretty average in his career yet. A good rookie season and then they think dwight is like because well the stories i get why but if you look at it on court production it's it's unbelievable in terms of what in comparative so it's it's a massive signing for them. He's he's better than obamacare isn't he. Not one hundred percent and the people what people don't realize like like the people that are trolling the signing or whatever like it's a non-guaranteed deal which it's a low risk very high reward deal for the lakers whereas if they're beefing if him jared dudley you're fooling around in the locker room showers after game and they don't like that they can cut him on the spot without any financial liability dudley dudley the people yeah people vote another another hilarious swing of momentum dudley was like the most hated troll in m._b._a. During the playoffs and then a month months later he signs at the lakers now it's he's. He's the most amazing veteran reader in the league and everyone loves dhadly jared dudley. He's a very from what i've heard from basketball analyst and other players around the league like this guy's like a james jones in phoenix where like he's destined to be a g._m. One day of his knowledge of the game is just that elite where he can contribute to a championship team in that way other than that. He looks like a looney toon. I don't know what he can do physically for them but i think that he's a good locker room presence for them him mm-hmm and wachner caught fooling around he can imagine imagine a taco dwight at lebron soccer speaking to watch. I think lebron missed out on taco tuesday last week. You think everything's okay thank you should send him. A letter. Shooting attacks the yukon checking on them yeah <hes> all right so net positive move for the lakers. Sorry about blogging obviously question caution. Actually what do you think is next for me because to me. I see big three ice cube. Let's stop at sony's eerie asli being honest no do you. Do you think you can come back to the n._b._a. After this tornado <unk> torn quad tourney torn achilles. It's gonna be tough but he was doing it. You know like is this third it injury really the difference. I don't know i mean the quad is not just it's not just any old injury. It's an achilles an a._c._l. Well which one was this. This was an a._c._l. Yeah this was the a._c._l._u. achilles in new orleans on the guavas in the playoffs in cherry. This should be the easiest comeback from so. They said the reason one of the reasons why he tore his a._c._l. Is just because you cannot play on any injured quad and like that's why it was just one one player. Tournus quad was like he knew right who i when you heard the report he was he was fine on a bag quad and that's it just destroys your whole life so i think i think the boogie injury really speaks volumes so why you're seeing a lot of these guys de commit from team u._s._a. Like an everton supporter george injury back for team u._s._a. A few years ago like these guys are putting so much wear and tear on their body. There's many more of you. Would you say if you're gone deep in the playoffs. There's not there's not really an exactly. There's no offseason offseason so they're no reason there's no reason these guys wanna play <hes> eleven for team u._s._a. For all this stuff speaking of team u._s._a. We talked to that a couple of pods you. You said you weren't worried. I said i was we lost <hes> trouble for the trouble in paradise my friend trouble in paradise. I looked at the roster. I mean it's obviously solid but it's a lot of ice. Oh ball you know just like just guys who who have no chemistry. These use australian teams the spain server. They've all been playing together for years and the u._s._a. Team it's it's a rotating door. Obviously our talent has always been levels above a loss australia for the first time time ever. They haven't looked relatively good at all. They lost the g. league. Whatever super team where they'd played now he finally worried like i think i think i i was a little just like over the top about team u._s._a. That we shouldn't worry. I do think they'll still win. Gold <hes>. Maybe it won't be as easy z. I just think that guard play in international players. The most important i think campbell will really be the difference for them. You can but really this is amazing guy. So i aloft kemba. I love i stayed home sick back in like middle school. Whatever i look in the big east tournament was on. I saw the step back against pitt and i found love yeah and i love him and then carry them to the tournament and he's you know he's he was a winner in college but he's just never done anything in the n._b._a. So here's his chance the bench finally institution yeah the the best town if he's not superb doesn't lead them to a gold than we can officially move the arm fox past beacon guard hard play in the n._b._a. I wanted to ask your opinion on this because i think we talked about it. What do you think about the whole devon booker double team thing and pick up. We promise what are you. Are you team tamer team. Devon booker promise will do m._l._b. We'll do it we can get. What do you think about that. Oh what do i think about that. I think think that a._t. Team or team d. book. I'm jobs because i me i'm. I'm team d. book all the way through like i did not because of not because of the reasons he stated like is this summer like this is pick up. We need to work on our game. Can i get double season but from the eyes of the defender it's pickup if you can't guard your man one on one and pick up and go guard the fat kid with two shirts on like a two shirts on planning in any of those runs john's right you know what i mean like. It's an analogy. Go guard the worst player. If if you can't stick your man like when you check up and you play pick up like it's a war one on one and if you're getting if you're gonna work you're getting worked yeah but that's that's what it is to me. I think it's that the concept of do you wanna. Go work on your game. Take after your little pickup run. Go pick someone up and go one verse them if you wanna play real basketball. I don't care if it's in regular season game playoff game. I'm trying to win a pickup game. I'm trying to stay on the court. Whoa there's three teams of five behind. Say what i wanted to know about. The situation was the score of the game what was going on if someone had win. I don't care if someone has wins or your second doc in <unk> <unk>. I'm trying to win the game and if that's the way to do by the way if devon booker is getting double team such an advantage in a pickup game you're running four on three three with unbelievable players like just that's easy i get you don't get to work on your game but that's also a different opportunity work on your game. Passing out doubles driven out doubles scorns goering's through doubles like that's totally an opportunity if him getting doubled in a pickup game is preventing him from working on his game. He's probably we not working that hard on his game outside of pickup games which is the real concern. You're telling me if the scores like three to one and they just checked rockin like joe keam mhm sending a double like come on do the reason i love it so much because it's your keno descending double team kids. It's conway ethical in his part. I love it. I i really think i'm throwing throw at. I like the concept of we're trying to win the game whether it's pick up or whatever that's that's enough n._b._a. It's still ogg riyadh time all right final thing on the pod <hes> we were doing normally will do monday mailbag segment here obviously but we're gonna do questions for the pod or for the fantasy football podcasts which will be on thursday back to look out for those first. Let me just run through a little zero sponsorship from ship station. When you're selling on getting your order can be a real pain. That's why you need to ship station dot com. It's the fastest easiest merciful railway to managing engine ship your orders matter where your son amazon etzion website ship station brings all your orders into one simple interface ship station to get orders out quickly. Save money on shipping causing and keep your customers happy right now blue. Ir listeners can try ship station. I free for sixty days. That's two months when you use code blue. That's b. l. u. E. league. There's absolutely no risk free trial without even entering a credit card info ships h merged with other major carriers including fedex u._p._s. even amazon fulfillment so you can compare and choose the best shipping solution for your customers. Now wonder ship stations the number one choice of online sellers <unk> ship more in less time with the best rates available just visit shifts station dot com click on the mike at the top of the homepage and type in bill that ship station dot com and enter promo code ship station dot com make ship happen abe ape. We'll talk about for like thirty seconds but when i was watching the college football game last night the late one arizona y ship station <unk> at actually came up with just funny speaking college football last night. I predicted twenty six twenty you f- it was twenty four yeah. He's pretty good twenty eight twenty. It was a sloppy hilarious game but it was good to have college football back and then took off for hawaii zone. It did you now. I'd worked to nutty game. Cole mcdonald shootout cold mcdonald who is a quarterback threw three touchdowns in three picks in the first half he then throws a four touchdown down unstuck in half and then two more picks. He gets pulled even though he had three hundred yards in like five todd's the backup crumbs in lead them the two scoring drives hawaii can put the game away. They're down seven fifty seconds left from their own like fifteen. They drive all the way down to thirty ten seconds left. No timeouts cleo tate's scrambling housing. It's tackled it like the one and a half yard line and the time expires. It was like crazy. It's a hell of a game we start on arguable back and we're hype about it <hes> texas so m._l._b. Coming up obviously right now while we're recording it sunday night sunair baseball two best teams while not the two listen. I think the teams in baseball so that'll be my world series prediction. I'll just get to a yankees dodgers. I know lashes have the pitching staff have but look they were. Landers lost like two or three of his last starts when he's been a massive favourite. The yankees are hundred times better than the orioles. The tigers and i know he'll turn up for the playoffs and i'm not scared of ranking. The playoffs and the yankees have been the best team the entire year in the a._l. They just smacked the ball. No matter who's been in the in the lineups they're pitching. It should come around. Maybe it won't but i think they actually have the firepower to do it and then when i look at the the dodgers lineup is not that good pitching a topic media dude. No i'm telling you it's really good but it's not like the braves have a better lineup than that and they have the best often like the end of this lineup is taylor beatty barnes and then the pitcher like the top five a jock muncie turner bellinger in seger's nasty. I just don't think that a._j. Paul it's not in the lineup tonight either yeah but i'm i'm saying like it's nothing crazy like the yankees have so i think the yankees out but i do think the dodgers get out and out because they're just levels above love every other team everyone. It seems like it's dodgers than the braves are like a decent chunk below and then it's just hilarious crap shoot for the next few spots what's right. I agree. I think the dodgers are coming out of the n._f._l. On even though i think that the braves might have the better lineup throughout to me when i look at golf baseball and what matters october it's obviously pitching and the bullpen and though the the braves did add and wendy as who is unbelievable in fact he never gives up runs whatsoever <hes> they have the n._l. Rookie of the year most likely mike saroka who is a stud so so far ten in two with a two yard. I just think that the experience like you're throwing a rookie out there in game one or two of an evans l. c. s. like like i granted. That kershaw is any better in that situation. He's a huge veteran but i'm gonna take the experience of the dodgers being that this will be their third third or fourth straight pettit. This'll be bird yeah anyway so i get the dodgers coming out of the n._f._l. Even though i i do love the braves lineup throughout a kuna is just he is eshel man like he's doing stuff. That travels at this young age with thorin basis in the home runs yeah and added the a._l. I'm steering away from the yankees for the exact reason you said the pitching staff <hes> i think the astros had the lineup to compete with the yankees. <hes> have the firepower. Obviously it's not as much firepower as the yankees because an all season addition for the yankees. He's like a debatable m._v._p. Catinat d._j. Mayo but the the the houston astros still have great bats and whether or not they're performing. I mean throughout this entire. Year consistently isn't much of a concern for me because i think that they know it. Matters come october and they can flip the switch out at any given moment and then just just look at the staff in the three headed monster of your thrown out garrett cole <unk> overlander and greg easy for three games like do that three games. That might be seven seven innings. No earned runs yeah i just i don't think ranki you know we talk about. Oh kershaw being not that great in the playoffs. I think grind use. He's also got that against them. What he's got that that playoff thing kershaw all has no so you know. The free seven room runs plus. You have to think that the yankees have good chance of getting the <hes> getting heading home field. I really feel snow survey yet homefield and then they can get a win off overlander under coal and then all they gotta do be cranky or like a wave miley in houston and then take care of business again at home seems very favorable arrays. Do not scare me me. If i'm the yankees the twins nor the indians donating like even i mean in the indian team baseball for longtime ah they dropped six of their last time the twins now have three game or three and a half gamely lost. Jose ramirez says today's <unk> broken hand. Oh wow let's you big nats back up there though you do have a good lineup <hes> but i just all right gene. That's why they're the sneaky team in the n._f._l. Because you chirs earn a good strasbourg start you can win anywhere it. Oh forget about patrick corbett. Who's it's been a star yeah. They might have the best come playoff time they could sneakily if i would love the dodgers nafta that would be a really fun sear here. I think i'd rather see dodgers brave for the firepower ups. I'm saying i first round l. D. or your phillies are terrorists right. I'm not i think we'll the most phillies thing ever was taken to hard-fought wins in boston a two game sweep and then bryce decides. It's a it's a good time to have a child. I don't know who told him he could do that. So he went on paternity leave and then we drew drop to three to the marlins. I think we're to three out. It allowed card. <hes> the team has no business being in the playoffs. If we're going into washington scherzer i mean we'll throw. Chances are or noel do what he did today. Play a great game. He won't get the run support and we'll lose <hes> absurd ride and we still for it feels like one of those things where you're you almost just want the season to be done because you know even if you get in the playoffs y'all not sake and like you have no chance hundred percent lasting for we got. Did you see what happened. <hes> the red sox royals game. Oh you have a fifteen minute game may had yeah. This is one of my favorite things that has happened in sports in the past. The royals were playing my oriels and the red sox were home. They'd they'd delayed suspending a game top ten. I wanna say one out on august seven so they come back two weeks later. No now is in august. There is a royals red sox game. Yeah yeah pretty sure it was in july. I'm going to fact check you. After this is august seventh i know i know you're of it. I haven't you on the royals red sox gave that they just finished. Yes that was from july from august. I'm looking up right now. Best part about podcasts and that this is on like it's confirmed on august seventh. You were saying so who's right so i i just need you say i was right on the islands misinformed. You're got your misinformed. Anyways game august seventh get suspended comeback top tan inside one out and the royals get out in the top and the red sox twin fans. Actually i assume is free admission because there are only like a couple of thousand fans there but twelve minutes the game goes and then the royals had to fly. They had to go a from baltimore to boston played twelve minutes and then flied to. I believe <hes> cleveland. I mean that's mainly baseball's looking to speed up the game. Just play offs and i love rate. They fit like six games in a one point two winning games. I real source. Thank you guys for listening to episode twenty three eight. You didn't hazard. You didn't have their number twenty three. Since when does your twenty three from madrid <hes> you were ten is awkward according to google. I'm still looking at twenty three eden hazard but if not worse on ilyasova also were twenty three. I feel like we could be forgetting something something. I don't know we'll put it on ours pod on baby. I'm sure if you guys think of anything <hes> but thank you for listening android fantasy pod coming on thursdays awesome. Make sure to get your questions in tomorrow. You're listening to the pod and then you've made it this far which we appreciate like those die hard listeners. You guys through truly our favorite g._m. Abe so we're gonna know you're listening to a lesser instagram abe underscore grant off g. r. uh-huh f f g._m. Abe your fantasy questions. I wanna see how many guys made it this far and if you live alone you guys thank you guys for listening fantasy coming thursday as always thank you <hes> from jack and we'll talk to you soon uh-huh <music>.

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"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go here. Joined by Eagles radio rookie running back Mile Sanders Sanders with us. Thank you for joining the show. I was thinking about it coming onto undisputed knowing this guy. Big Cowboy's fan take me into the mindset and preparation and joining US Society of This is a big opportunity for me. A dishonest of excited at the same time so you tried to butters up brought us his Hoodie here. See this run be run. which is your sort of slogan? I liked to go. We liked. That came up with this school. Still lives in your hometown or Pittsburgh. Swiss failed neighborhood right. And if this were green I would not where but I just I must grudgingly admit you had a really good rookie year. And this is the ultimate compliment. I can pay to to this man. Is You scared me as a cowboy fan because every time you touch the ball I started thinking not good. Something good is going to happen because you were slashing so that brings us to offensive rookie of the year. What your gut feeling on your shot at winning that award? I think I have a pretty good. You know I mean with the other guys has been nominated you know. There's Josh Jacobs had the year two in college and Calum Murray all had great rookie years but You know I've I've got confidence in myself based on type of production I gave Basically I think half a season which spoils going down. I'll go on. Ira Ah George how. We're going down for the rest of the half so you wind up with eight hundred nine hundred yards pretty not made the playoffs. The Mother Guy They made no playoff uh-huh hey. Aj Brown. Obviously the receiver from Tennessee. Looking at you you were big down the stretch. You mentioned all the guys are going they are. You're and you're asked to carry more low run the football in case to football and probably your best game with that game against the cowboys I just wanted to why you took why you slide down. uh-huh you gotta Rub. You gotta put salt in the wound. And why would we see was smart. Not Sportsman like we have. We're in charge move so it was his first down to go down sooner. They get So when a cookout cookout would you call it. I've never heard that we have you know I'm going to show Zaluski Slip Dinners Oh nice. Okay so what. Do you think you're going to win this award. That's what I want to know on on what he thinks. happening behind the scenes. Who Do you think has the best shot you've made your case? Obviously I I feel confident in myself. You know And I just pray God I you know I can be busted opportunity. That will be blessed and Jim come to so okay. So do you think you should win it over a quarterback. I'm a big collar. Murray Fan and I thought he had added extraordinary year. He and not so much he doesn't believe that. But how. How can you outdo a quarterback with degree of difficulty that he had for a bad football team and they they won five games and tied a game is pretty good? I think he's GonNa say This how important for gains where the The little game on and it does knowing that we had to win those against in order to get to the playoffs so we had to go for and they were all divisional getting so they weren't really. They were easy. We played the giants twice. which doesn't matter added a record or anything NFC East's tough especially defensively. So I think those four guys were pretty big and I stepped up pretty pretty anyway. You know They asked me to do a lot. They like to find ways to give me a ball and I've been doing well as far as east. He's getting better and better at it so you did you surprise yourself because obviously you played somewhat in saquon shadow at Penn state and it's hard to know what you can do at the next level. We're you saying saying wow I can I can do this not really I I've been doing this my whole life you know and I just been getting better. I think I have yet to play my best. This football I think I did a lot of stuff to improve on. And that's what makes it so special and exciting that. I'm just my eager to get better. You see and that's why diverse Colombia at the at the eagles. So and I get it from them you know I I walk in the huddle and I see guys exact urged got I'll show you got on Jackson you got this off Salah you got Carson right next to me too. So and they they demand greatness and you'll it makes you want to be great and then I got there exposing my running back in my ear. Just give me knowledge and just watching him. Where is this exciting? You look at the NFC you guys like you Saquon Z.. Adrian and Peterson obviously ages faintness way out. But you gotta WHO's the best running back in that division. I mean my goal is the WBZ. BESS and in like I say I think I had a stronger year. But it's just a bus in being taught with those they're running back boy saquon and Z. Those are probably one of the top running backs in the league. So it's it's a blessing as being named with them and being you know Just mentioned what you talked about the guy that you land up in the huddle next to Carson wentz. Obviously the comparison because he actress God came out in the same draft class. WHO's the better quarterback back what I'M GONNA take my guy living no not I got him Thing I love about him is it doesn't matter who's on I feel he's going to give them confidence no matter what he did have to go. Get No Amari Cooper. My Guy didn't have mile sanders this year. These the Zeke's tragedy all. I mean this guy was playing better down the stretch than my guy was playing. I kept telling you that I'd say that. Okay and my guy. I didn't have Zacharias because he is really good at what he does that guy. That's his ultimate security blanket. He just looks eighty six. Oh I'm about to have Alshon John and Dj out there to list. That covered a couple of those guys that the box. I could've got a thousand young. Well he did have out there and what we all adopt made up to whip barrel out of the building burning down here with the baby but he would not unlike Agla fans crazy their own. Okay so I wanNA know what do you really think of the cowboys. Your division upon what happened in the seventeen eighteen to nine game at at Philly did you did you guys just know you're better than them. What what was your minds on? I think I mean we had confidence going into that game. You know the big win and against the redskins and the giants and coming into like I said we. We knew what we had to do in order to get to the playoffs and it was when he's last four but most importantly beat you know. beat the cowboys in that whole week was different to me. And this is the focus that that was all throughout the weekend. We had a lot of people just talking talking. You know throughout the week just saying how like ought investigators. How important is game in a game night game division online it was? It was exciting. Adema considering that you had you got to play early in the year with the Dallas and it bumped But you felt like we could beat this team better than this. What did you see in the cowboy defense or not see? Do you think they're average. Do you think there gettable. What did you think you could just rip and slash on them are not? I think they're a great defense. You know basically especially the first game when they played us They play really good. You know is not a team you can really just go side to side on guy really he just because they're they like to go for the quarterback so that's why we had. We set up the screens and stuff was really well screens work so and stuff like that and to play action than we start running the ball really well too so I think that that would he play well too. So were you predict that. You're going to beat my team twice next year. Because they've they said absolutely would came here until my cowboy will they are. It's already seen on the the big talker and we do either walking tour. We got a new coach and he's got a big old ring on his. That is true. Some confidence walk into they got a coat who got a big oregon his finger fearless a whole. Wb Yeah AH WE HAD OUR MAN Orlando Scandal. I don't know if you know Orlando. But here's your teammate. It did he get into law that. I'm a rookie sake. My head down in Orlando came on and sit. A lot of your veterans are living in the past like they think there's still super bowl champs when they have proven nothing this year that's ahead of the Dallas game the second game man. I know we poodle by getting playoff so I probably I think he'll he didn't think we're GONNA make it so you guys around in this thing will move the buffalo lose to the guys go to the cowboy. They did a lot of what she proved them wrong with. You can't get the he had to be hating. You're a you're handling it the right way. Appreciate you coming on. Thank you for this. This Susan Eagle who handled himself with class. uh-huh well you're doing all the right moves. I loved that. Move as well. Thank you good luck. Next season the Kevin Durant did a Qa on twitter yesterday and when he was asked about the top five hardest players to guard. I listed fellow finals. MVP's Lebron Bron. James and Kawhi Leonard. He then added to other clippers. Williams and Paul George and rounded out his list sixers big man Joel Embiid so Shannon. What does his list tell you? They don't mean the players know that everybody look for the play of top one hundred. It is the one who who made the list and who didn't make listen. I'll know if your guy made last year but they probably do a one on one so he probably make this but anyway and I was saying. How'd you gotta be thirty-five year? The me why up still be tough guard. All case go he AK shoe. But you know there's more to just guarding player than him scoring on you. Lebron gets other involved. That's very difficult in Katie know. They've had some epic battles epic because Katie was on the court that night. Lebron dropped fifty one in a in a finals game. The most point bore losing player in a final NBA after he did that. Skip those games. Even though they lost Lebron James had Kevin Durant rant. No players know Jimmy. Bulla had a list. What did Jimmy Butler listening skill? Maybe get about two three going to be on that list because everybody knows what you refuse to acknowledge go. James has been heels will forever be that Guy Nasa you realize that's medical all you talk about your life. Your life is good now but what you acknowledged that. Say you say go Jay Watch. There's like a cloud be removed from you when you say goat. Jane Greatest Interesting my turn right now even the rim can guard Lebron Guardian. Could we see L. last night. I just enjoy it down we please. We see what happened last night. Oh He's Oh he gets loose-knit the rim blocked his shot Lebron gift you kind of get the ball over the ramble. Who God that was a rejection put? That was like a veil shit right. Where did it go that rim might make the all star team? Whatever yeah yeah? So what did we learn from K D's lists and we know that Kevin Durant went to Lebron House back to back. NBA Finals and showed up Lebron by showing out in his house by taking over a game. Three and back to back years to win finals. Mvp Bowl Times so we know. Katie is qualified to rank because he is the best player on the team is but nobody realizes that right now because he's out of sight and what do we say no they knew so it was interesting. He posted this list. And so I'm looking at the list and I'm thinking Quiet Linens on this list. He plays for the. Oh the clippers. Yeah Paul Paul George is on this list now. Plays the clippers fifth player on this list. Is Lou Williams. He plays for the clippers. Kevin durant ranked three three out of five Los Angeles Clippers. That should be horrifying to one. LA- Shannon Sharpe and to Lebron Jane because because a D is not one of the five hardest to guard. Lebron is. I'll give you that way to go. Lebron but three out of five are clippers. I was stunned by a little clip with Jimmy Buckets. Well I I think I'll take Kevin durant missed Jimmy so so now you try to see you. Zoo's you're trying to do now you try to minimize anything. Jimmy book the Best Player on the planet he says these are the artists to guard the better defender Kevin Durant or Jimmy Buckets. Kevin durant campaigning a year ago before the season started when he was healthy. He wanted to be defensive player of the year hill or Hornbook Nkhoma Harrisville campaign. That'd be president. Jimmy Butler been defensive player of the. I don't think even sometimes I think Jimmy talks a better defensive game. Oh so Jimmy Butler play defense. He's pretty good but I don't know if he's that guy he also you go see now because he had Lebron. And now you WANNA minimized. Didn't have any but he just said in no particular order on particular order. Lebron okay. He did mention Lebron I but he said I'm not ranking them in order okay well. You should've Melania Melania. So what was your favorite color blue. You have not commented yet on Coli Paul George Lou Williams skill. They're they're they're unbelievable. Whoever's forty are you loo loo loo? We've is instant bucket. Paul George has elevated his game from an all-star to all NBA player. What's he got to okay? C. E. play. They would a lot a lot of confidence while Linda he the two time five of the MVP to defensive player of the year. So I'm not here to debate. That means list. ooh tough covers but I know a go janesville. So you've got Paul George on list of toughest cover when they can cover you. Indicate like crazy or making bother lavar. Paul George already know what we do know coed knows that was when he was flying solo at Indy It's gotTa help now when we was flying solo. Also we gave we gave at work. So obviously Kevin Jimmy Butler. They're paying career achieved rear achievement. It's like well. We got to honor Loboda. It's like a career. She award like what Tom Tom. Hanks got at the Golden Globes. We got to give you an award for something because your career award. Whatever the League is you there you go yeah thank you road to perdition lot of Philadelphia might have been some of his best work with with Gilby like that thing? You do real good point time you gotta give them a little bit and yet you know what what what. The acknowledgement is actually an indictment of your guy. Because I still give you. He should be one of the five hardest to guard. What are they talking about? Shooting Shooting Jumpers. No they're talking about freight training to the basket because when he freight trains on Kevin Durant. Kevin can't stop his Kevin Seven feet tall with like a seven seven wingspan. Okay and he can't deal with him because Lebron is too big strong quick powerful. You've got the guard and he's ambidextrous at the rim. But I I don't see him attack the rim very often sometimes late in games he doesn't WANNA go clank. Those free throws last night balls. Go look they don't give us they. Don't we're shooting a career low from the free throw line. I get that but also skipped we go into the land a career low. I told you what's happening. subliminally the refs are not reciting. They're not respecting him because he can't make late game free throws Jane's makes his like crazy on you due to the free throw line because you cash them in what about what about the other night. Thirteen thirty seven last night. What was it called Ale Portland? Oh James Jason Way. I thought it was significant. James is not on Kevin's list of hardest to guard and a lot of people believe the greatest offensive player in history. Yeah he definitely got to be able to live okay so guess who is on the list. We haven't talked about my guy. Joel embiid Joel. And Kevin's okay. But but he's acknowledging he is difficult to deal with a measure question if they'd had this say back safe from nineteen ninety three until two thousand three who take the toughest Cook Guard Shack. He three twenty five okay. So He's saying in beads that all all right but you can't beat that guy if you get zero points in a game well to me he got on this list ahead of James Harden and that might be a little hard for james to swallow. Yeah I guess I don't Look I. I appreciate James Game You know. I think he bought the stuff that he's doing. I didn't think anybody over over dude. I didn't think I'd see somebody. Once I joined. Go for thirty seven. He'll season. I ain't nobody ever GonNa get that close again but the James Harden go through JD threatened. PORTIA game yeah. But there's some nights when he can't buy three and when that happens you gotta chance there are some Nice. He can't miss a three seventy five. I agree but last night back boy he looked like he was in a skunk funk he would he was not happy but that's okay but lonely my guy all my guy even list yup gets honored by everybody. All you worry about eleven assists the gang. Is that a career. He didn't rank best point guard the way he made it real clear high res not on this list but he's at he's healthy. Kevin said he's the best point guard. Okay about all that because Kyrie re was on Jimmy Buckets list cavs predicted okay. He got he got a handle. You know we've seen steph curry. We've seen Isaiah. There ought aw became. Nobody knew what Carl Riccadonna. I wouldn't even that so Kevin being a little hot water with Kyrie and James. His former team carries Guy Areso. We need a few more pieces where he learned that Brian. Jane brought that up because I wanted to. The Lebron get blamed for car easy TV three years ago. Today Correo say well. That's what Lebron always said that that was four years ago skip. Yup We're at the Super Bowl and the Lakers had their nine game. Winning streak snapped against is the magic last night. Lebron scored nineteen points and also dished out a career high nineteen assists. But it wasn't enough as Marco Foltz had a triple double for Orlando. Lebron had a chance to tie the game late but missed three with four seconds to give. La Their first loss since Christmas. And we're now join me Fox sports. NBA analyst US Crispus Art. Good Morning I would like to know a letter grade for you when you're looking at Lebron his performance. Last I cannot give heir Gordon Gordon in Markelle Fultz in a yes man. Gordon has some of the greatest dunks seizing as well. Yes all right so oh Lebron. This is tough because the obviously did some great things career nineteen assists and he did some not so great things. I'm GONNA give him a seat. I'm GONNA give you. You must see. I hate to use that great but I'm GonNa give him a see all right. First of all to nine hundred nine career assists. He was incredible as a playmaker. No question about it and I think thinking about Lebron's mentality. He's always thinking strategically I think he may have been thinking mediocre opponent. Nine Game Win Streak. Let me get the other guys. We're going to need Quinn Cook. Perhaps down the line we're going to need obviously. ACP Troy Dare UCF. We might need him to come here. Dudley Dudley as much hit that real to know what they'll be put it on the floor. I'm are but those other guys all got double figure shots so I think he's getting them involved and he Jordan used to do this too sometimes. Not Shoot is much early. Try to take over late. I think that was Lebron sinking and even in the fourth. Yes some good assists. Yes you know the the one Quinn Cook bring them with the point with like four minutes left the one that McGee for the dunk late and then he hit a couple apple threes in the fourth to the bad defensively. He was one of many Lakers. Who was just an I look? I don't expect them to keep Markelle. Fultz it's in front of me but Aaron Gordon was able to get to so defensively struggle. My biggest problem was the too late turnovers in the fourth. The four minutes yes in in about a minute later the travel the bad pass. Those were the biggest problems I had with. Lebron did he had nine points in the fourth. Five or six I know only shot three refer nine but DJ's off it is what it is the dunk. It happens it happens to everybody. Ducking our to jared era Dudley. Do we think he can't dunk anymore. Happens in hindsight you say hey you lay it up. That's is a big basket. Maybe Chris Lebron laid that ball up so I decided I go across our remember back in the day Michael Jordan would tie I right so we'll have a problem with that the three good move to get the look right a couple pump nice pump fake and like a lot of his threes because I think he missed his six or seven or something like that. It was on line a lot of his threes right online back at the rim or in and out and this was back in front of room out. Yeah it happy you miss you miss game winners. He took it. He took it with confidence. Look I got no issue with that. You missed it. You missed it so I think the bigger picture. What's in the grand scheme? What's more important getting Quinn? Len Cook Troy Daniels. And these guys confidence up and thinking okay. We can be players if they need us or beating Orlando on a Wednesday in January. Sounds like you're trying to push it up to be about a seat. Plus okay. So he goes. What does the La- Shannon you already know what I gave not? I just say that he ruined by special a half especially I've been waiting. I waited a whole week. I ordered it and I was going to bring it out here today. In the broad got to put a note I would it be back beat Iraqis little Saturday. I'll be able to believe that they got here on Mondays Sundays in. NFL Day on the game. No Toronto Lebron go for fifty four triple that call here. I'll put a call. They boy triple double. Do it. Automatically just asking you will shall receive delay home but either way once you asking downgrades say please now Unisys. UCD bodybags nobody body back earlier this year. Why are you picking a little bit? I believe the election Lisa you like why are you picking on him. He kids but they were hand. DOC You already do. I gave him a C.. But for the base they read skip. I thought it that's he. He walks a very fine line. Very tight rope trying to get guys to win Bob and going to long. Didn't take a shot in the first quarter. That's only the third time in his career and that's the first time since. Oh Six we twenty twenty let me think here for Zecha skip alone as men and I think it through about his rhythm because Lebron is like most. NBA Rhythm guys. It's hard just to Tila quarterback we don't want you to throw any passes the first quarter with the rest of the game. Now that's not how it works and sold sold abroad rhythm was thrown off. I thought he has great. Looks they going up on the screen. He has choice the three ball. I'm sure built good. Look good for where I was sitting but it it just didn't go in nineteen I say eighteen. I laugh okay. He got ninety but it really does look good. But but when you're talking about Lebron James you're talking about the criminal career. He that the top happened mountain. He's only limp. And so you have to hold them to the highest standard you have to the harsher critique for the best players and he didn't didn't get it done last night you you can't even get you can't start out by eight with Lucy. I will play you lost game but I gave him a C- 'cause I know Lebron played better to turn over. He started early the game. Turn the ball over. He tried to go behind his back on. Wendy bounced off his shoe and I thought that started it because in the first quarter everybody would just turn the ball just careless with the basketball. Hello and that's one of the things they have to guard against is turning the ball over. I thought some late deepens a rotation Dwight Howard not getting guys with the three point shot. But I'm not concerned about that because we've got thirty three wins right now keep it. I got five cases of do won't be disease where I'm looking at something like sixty one sixty two win. So it's my turn and somebody somebody on this panel is going to be objective today so it falls on my shoulders. Yes I am going to correctly. Give Lebron for last last night's performance especially the fourth quarter. AD is in dog. Because I am grading on these strictest strictest highest order because I I just heard Mount Olympus criminal grand or best player on the planet earlier in the show so how can I not give him a D for that dog of a performance the assists fourth quarter he continues to close my case my longtime case he is not a closer user the great irony the fascinating irony of last night was I've said from the start the closer for the twenty twenty Los Angeles Lakers has asked to be Kyle Kuzma somehow he is being rejected even though we saw him explode on Friday night at Dallas and explode with no idea no Lebron Iran on Saturday night at Oklahoma City explode because he is capable and he's fearless and he loves the fourth quarter spotlight or did you have to feed him and get him rolling and you have to live with an occasional missed jacked up shot because that's who he is and occasionally would you believe how Kuzma played three and a half minutes of the fourth quarter and got up zero shots last night. That's all you need to know for the record. Lebron James took a nine nine shots in the fourth quarter last night which were for more than any other player on either team on the floor. Last night which jacked up Lebron's fourth quarter total for the season. Two Two hundred and twenty eight fourth quarter shot attempts that is by far number one in the whole NBA that seventeen clear of second. James Harden it to eleven just for the record. He's trying to close and he is failing to close repeatedly and this time it came against yet another sub five hundred team even though the magic have improved one six of their last eight games and yet last night they didn't have Evan -fornia and dean no no Dj Ej and here they came and they go up twenty then here. Come the Lakers push back and now. It's a seesaw game in the fourth quarter. And I'm going to give Lebron credit for this because it. He's a typical fourth quarter from Lebron. Because to Chris's point he did with tuna three left. He nailed a big three at the end of the clock. I love him at the end of the car. There's no decision to be made. He knows okay. Now I gotta shoot this and he shoots it with conviction and he made it that put them up one then. He makes a driving layup which I didn't see again the whole rest rest of the fourth quarter scoop shot with his left hand because he's ambidextrous and that put them up three and then here. We went down the stretch eight forty three if we could see this us. He's missed a three up one. And then we go to eight fifteen and this is the all time embarassing moment of the night here. We go he gets it's the baseline and he gets blocked by the side of the rim. What skip odd another another miss three four four than six fifty four left we got? He's going to force a shot over here in the left corner and he misses a thirteen foot. Or they're up four at that point so that could have been a death knell right there then. We got the travel. Chris talked about he just took off running with the ball. I think you have to dribble when you run with it and then we got another big mystery. They're down to at that point point three thirty five. Then we'RE GONNA go to thirty and this is the second turnover. At least he was trying to get it to cal cousteau who was completely blanketed and there we go and then here we go again. The worst late-game superstar free throw shooter ever. He clients the first one when they were down two and then finally always made one that it was a big shot back and look at us. Lebron's got Marquel and he just gets you so he just got school. You can't stay in front of him and then finally we get the game winner and Chris said it was right online. Why out wide left scorn? Who knows Chris? You've been coveted. How long twenty-five quarter-century about Kevin Michael Jordan over Mister Dole? Yes he had gotten hung on the rim. But he's missed dunks Karen Sharpe if you could find me video of Michael Jordan getting blocked by the rim where he shorts day. Oh by the real. Oh away I told you I sold you iron. Oh is it because he couldn't get up over the rim you leave leave the ride. That was the year seventeen dunk get blocked by the by six. What did I tell you to open the show? Michael is missile on the back on. We just slams it to remember when my wife wasn't he when he was laying it up okay. Couldn't that was at the end of his career now age. Thirty five Lebron in year. Seventeen to seventeen so seven. You can't look at the eight years and I totally agree. Here's where Lebron's at a disadvant- is in these conversations with Jordan Magic Bird and all that this is a wins Wednesday night in January the dog days of the NFL Sunday against a mediocre team. And we're critiquing his last six minutes Jordan. Obviously there were shows like this there were radio shows like this when Jordan was doing it so we don't remember let alone Magic Andrew. We don't remember for the Games the the big misses at the end. The Games WanNa give them all about Lebron he has some bash shooting performances is in the finals in J.. Occasionally did he's the greatest closer. I ever saw really usually covered his bulls in Chicago. We're we're now down. We're not debating. How great closer he was but this notion that he never lost he never missed a shot he never been missing? There's the problem with you and me. We separate okay. But he missed a game winning shot in game five at the United Center in Chicago Against Utah in that final bull. Run a nine hundred ninety eight and then what did he do. He went to Utah and Scotty was sick as a dog and they didn't think he could play game seven which is going to be Utah. And what Michael do that held old depose national. He's the show he did push. I is miss. Burke he did the highest impose I got that but he worked cal our flag on cow. Boy that New Orleans did he swished the shot that our viewers. I want your home of. You're sure of your. I liked it because it made my point. He Back Iron Arendal point he missed it. Got The viewers on your search. You just stay on appreciate so you being here. We will see you back here soon. WE'RE GONNA SHIFT GEARS TO CONOR McGregor. Who is back? He's making his return. The Octagon this weekend fighting Donald Cowboy Sironi in Las Vegas McGregor hasn't won a UFC matchup since two thousand sixteen and his past few years news on the losing end of some fights may have humbled him as he was surprisingly respectful and complementary during pre fight news conference yesterday. Take a listen for yourself. That's one hell of a code. Donald my God I gotTa give credit. Where credit is you know what I mean? I don't know whether you've ever lawyer on the baby here. You know what I mean. But that's a Damn Good Cobra. What is it and it was a crocodile Python polycom grandma? It's hard not to respect on right now at this stage and he has my respect and although there will be blood spilled on January eighteenth it will not be bad blood and Music Mike prediction it will be Ko. Okay Pat Buchanan. What did you make of the way? Connor handle themselves. I'm not surprised because the last time we've seen Conor McGregor vice skip he got. Tko did he got choked up. APP gives his hard. How Bravado are you talking about on the bed no you? Not because the last time we saw you know Boehner canvas time before there. We saw the referee waved at all. Because you had had enough cabos around your pie might get me one Probably like that call yet color. After taking about that skill look Conor McGregor has had a rough last couple of years skipping rope repport inside the ring and outside I mean it goes back to you. Know he's got Boehner Miami and broke that stop. Don't it the allegations of sexual assault. He sucker upon demand in a bar in Ireland and then the last two times. He's in a world of square octagon he got. Let's give you that across road right now. I mean something. Ah Great HIP press conferences. I mean owning the great except one with him and Floyd Mayweather because I think both of those I thought both of those guys Stepped over the line with the racist and especially the stereotypical skip. But he's got a crossroad. Skip because if you're not if you remember correctly I'd I know a female that went down the same path her name is Rhonda rousing. She was whipping everybody and she gets you on the grassy arm body leg. Lock you and it was over. Ah But all of a sudden the women's say you know what we get into the ground probably hall's not I'm not going to the ground we'll kick in your face and Manu Nares who we were in New York Amana Menudo. Give us over here. I was right here. She was right there and she said I'm going to beat her. And I remember you and I was over. She said she's going to beat her up. Yeah what did you react at. Does she live over. You really zero run your new it. Yes you can run through Ronda Rousey. He wanted blood. He needs skill what we see from Connor if he can keep it up he can get you. 'cause he's amateur boxer. He has Supreme Boston skill skill. He went twelve Robert. Say whatever you want floor with thirty nine with thirty you say you won't. He went ten rounds in with arguably the greatest boxer. especially in this way e-class ever that speaks volume to his skill. Say agree but where he struggles if they ever take him to. The ground is like when obeef got him on the ground he was there for the rest of the round. It takes so much out of you. He doesn't understand how to get back up. So I'm Surani did an interview on the podcast. So you know what I'm thinking about. Everybody Says No. Don't do that. Take it to the ground. But I'm thinking about fighting. Here's why guys make mistakes. My job is to win the that'd be that'd be the equivalent of the Tennessee. Titans says you know what we will be the Kansas City chiefs game. We'll let Ryan Tannehill thought about fifty times the show a weekend beetle. Better Pat and why your objective is to win. You WanNa you WANNA prove how tough you are. You beat him. That means away. I was the better fighter but he says he wants to stay. I hope doesn't he just fooling connor. Skip I'm not surprised that he took this approach. Because it's kind of hard to Brag when you've been tapped out at you you been Tko. And that's what happened to connor in his last two fights. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised but I kept sitting there saying Connor. Where are you where did you go? Who is this guy cotter? Come on. You're you're the greatest prefight entertainer in the history of any sport. I'd never leave you. Yeah after all league except Connor will go all over the line. And it's like stand up comedy it's like x-rated stand up comedy. He's gifted at it. Yes I saw next to none none of that yesterday because Ginny used this word earlier in the show humble connor. I'm going to put a D. on the end of it on how long he got humbled because he knows what happened. The last time he went after his heritage is culture religion Yep everything he went went after him and he nearly paid with his life. Fight hadn't been stopped. He would have been choked out literally right. Yep He nearly got his head cold off because he was up against pure rage in could be because it could be going to get even with him. He's going to put him back in his place and he did and now he won't fight him again because he's done with. That did what he wanted to do. And now I didn't even recognize them anymore so I was listening to a Conor McGregor. Yesterday he doesn't. I want to do this anymore. He's actually campaigning. To box. Floyd again and Floyd is almost forty three years of age or pack. y'All but that's that's his plan B. O.. If I have to all box pack yahoos forty one now okay out there and he knows if he boxes Floyd Floyd not a big puncher. No and it's it's not gonNa feel good but but it's not going to really hurt. He's not going to get you. He's not going to take your head off your right right so you could box floyd for ten or twelve rounds and you could walk away right and without any real serious injuries. Probably not and yet in this ring in this octagon you. You can get hurt yes. It's hard as Dana. White said once you make one hundred million dollars you don't feel like getting up in the morning and getting slugged in the face exactly with basically no gloves right now. It's just nothing. And so he's taken so many shots that I think they were. Both these are too old warhorses cronies thirty six and they've been in a lot of quote unquote wars right. Yes and so they were basically acknowledging each other with respect right. We both been out out there. We've done all this. Let's just go out there and put on a good show. That's what they're saying. Let's put on a good show we're going to entertain you but let's hope there between the lines are saying sent. Let's let's hope we don't hurt each other and there's GonNa be no disrespect. There's GonNa be no trash talk. There was some half hearted trash talk near the in when Floyd I mean floyd. Connor used one of the lines that he did about. I can read cowboy like a children's book. Will he said that. Like eight years ago okay. And then they half-hearted exchanges about that and then the shock to me was the final question of the press conference was asked by somebody who shocked me and it was the highlight of the whole press conference. If we could see that final question please. We'll do more. You got a question. Go ahead buddy. Before I bet this money is is how confident are you. In Saturday's fight welcome to the best show on air the ultimate fighting championship avenue. So so. I'm extremely confident that you can tell I'm coming in. We're we're we're full preparation full commitment and full confidence in my in my striking ability semi shots. And who knows maybe a submission. But I'm going to be going for the knockout so Chad Johnson pops up out of Nowhere Dana Ena data recognize knew. He wanted to ask a question and we didn't see the very first but he's a little Chad was a little tentative and he introduced himself as Ocho Cinco here. We still back to that. Oh He's reporting on the fight so he's sort of goes around and around trying to ask a question about. I'm here to bet the house should should I bet on the house on you. And what's connor going to say. Oh I don't know I'm not sure I would bet the House on countering skipping. That's what's so impressive. Impressive when you see these guys that have like Habib. Had this long win streak. Nunez had this ring winning streak John. Johnny bones never tasted defeat but in Orna Cup of coffee for the wild connor was the face of the USC. But in order to continue to face what you gotTa do you gotTa Win. You can't keep taking pills and talk about you. The phase bill by the new new faith and by the way he is not WanNa fight since November twelfth of two thousand sixteen which we're when we saw Manda. We were in New York right before you at at Madison Square Garden. I it was Alvarez. Yeah I'm losing track. I mean that's three months ago. Two Years Twenty twenty now okay and thinking about this game. And he's only twice was against a Florida gets maybe that's it okay. So why is he doing it now. Partly for the money and partly because I think he just feels responsible to his fans like they're like we we. Are you know that that is for the fans what they want. I don't know Conor McGregor with talk himself back into being Conor McGregor McGregor but he's he's saying nothing offensive to his opponent because he even allowed the opponent he's he's GonNa Fight Him at one seventy which is is going up in so cowboys is thankful. He's he's arrested gratitude. Thank you for. Let me fight at one seventy. I didn't have to lose any way. We're also also skip because one forty five fifty five so he doesn't have the losing the way he's all the to do just maybe two or three pounds because these strikes me of the guy that walked around seventy one seventy five. Okay so let me tell you when they faced off after the press conference or you've cowboys running much bigger cal. He's half the size a cowboy cowboy prod walks around one ninety five remind just my he looked like it yesterday. He's young he's definitely the bigger. Yeah so this. I don't think this is going to be easy for COM humbled connor. Still don't leave him saying that but in be wins. I don't know if he keeps. I just can't see sticking to it Z.. Antonio Brown is preparing for a boxing match against a Youtube Star. Logan Paul and seems to be taking it pretty seriously brown on has been working with a former Olympic boxer to train and even posted footage of his workouts to social media. This is an interesting story. Look at all is a a big star in terms of the Youtube Sensations Shannon good or bad idea a good idea hopefully they behave withdrawal. actualised gives us is a bad deal. First of all you watch him you see straight leg. ABC's IT hitting alien wheel of U. Boxes. You know that they they boxed they bought from a crowd skill knees slightly being see stiff legged. The he'll get up outta there. Let's get look someone helped me understand. has this helping. Ab Give back to the NFL. I don't know I thought he was number one objective. His number one goal was to get back and get into the. NFL houses helping again was he tried to do. Try to appease people that's going to have no bearing on whether or not He gives back in the NFL. Oh Yeah you do it. You can beat it loom. Leave people alone now. This guy the Internet Youtube Star Internet star Ktar but he I guess he fights a little bit to favor. You don't fight wrote this genre staying you'll plays okay how how small the guy is here in may be no fight with that man that man fight for real he bipolar living ABC News. You'd think everything you think like everything's a joke. You think everything. Is Kiki going in there. Oh get exactly what you're looking for. Well you said somebody help you so much should help. ABC because he needs a lot of help at least he could do something more credible if you wanted to box a boxer even if you want walks floyd now at least I'd say okay. I'll get that like this is credible but this is a youtube phenomenon and I get that what he by goes on. I know he fights in other youtube. Fight Okay I get that. But it's not credible to me because you were a superstar. NFL agree and you're going to stoop to did this. And it's just more attention seeking watch me on out of the limelight. I'm going to create new limelight. You cope with a guy even too tall Jones. You I didn't I went to. He was six point nine. What was killed by two seventy five? It was in Las cruces New Mexico. Do be named in his Zeus Manassas off which he did. No that's right. That was a real fight though I mean and thought he was a boxer and the add some credibility boxer answer okay. I got that I was there but the point is to your point. How is this going to get you eligible again? What are you doing doing? It reminded me of Pacman. Jones was out on the outs with the NFL. Remember when he was really down and he got into wwe getting he became a pro wrestler for okay. Well at least that's just sheer entertain light. But it didn't help him with the Commissioner. It didn't help his because the commissioner she wanted him to be outta sight Outta mind pay his penance. And let's start over again and the way this is going. This is only getting worse and worse. I know after this on the heels of that disgusting video hosted the other day. There was just hard to watch. I guess I guess the guy says something the baby and he said he would drop Abe quicken and the Patriots did and he told to do square up mainly than low Gra. I fear that it might be money driven because the last fight Logan Paul did for Youtube Against Different Star. They made eleven million dollars so so my fear is that he needs the money. I don't mind doing Thanksgiving for money if my our professional athletes football player yeah so why am I taking leaks ring God. No she's going will not be impressed. Yeah there is along with him every day. It's something different rough on the show. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Jenny tapped. 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Lakers Fast Break- Trade Deadline Silence and Buyout Blues with LakerTom!

Pop Culture Cosmos

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Lakers Fast Break- Trade Deadline Silence and Buyout Blues with LakerTom!

"The breath bring. PODCAST is Jira glass for Komo right back after. Got To hear from pop. Culture Cosmos the Lakers fast-break inside sports. Fancy football game source. Thank you so much for listening to all of our great programs and thank you so much to not only discover community network where the Lakers fast-break also gets played each and every week but our new station the RTF sports network. We cannot thank enough for allowing US onto your station every Tuesday night. We're so glad to be a part of it and for everyone out there that the isn't aware of the sports network for some great rate. Sports shows you gotta go ahead and check it out today. Artists sports network DOT COM. That's RTF sports network DOT COM. Well he's back again. It's my a good friend. I know him as Tom Wong but you know him as Laker. Tom Be part of the conversation today at Laker Hall Dot net. It is Laker. Tom And later Tom to start off on an Oscars note. It was a great time at the Oscars with an upset that was truly made to order. Oscars deal deal and absolutely we did. And thank you for joining us. Right here. At the Lakers fast-break podcasts as Jiro glass. Recover right back out here here and yes we did Tom. We did have a great Oscars weekend celebrating the victory for parasite if you WANNA check out our arth thoughts on that both the predictions on Friday and also swell are recap of the Oscars. You can check it out today at Pop Culture Cosmos and we thank you so much for doing wing. So if that's the case I mean I saw parasite I'll let you know that to starting off on a different note than what you normally do. It is an excellent movie. It is well deserving serving of the ward. It was for me the number two movie of last year that I saw and it is the best of the nominated films so I think it is well deserved. Am I surprised. Yes I clearly said. I would be surprised if that film one. Because of the hurdles it would have to overcome being the first foreign language language film to Ever Win Oscar for Best Picture and people thought OK it won for best international film. That's good enough but now obviously that wasn't the case. This is a great film a highly recommended like I said it was for me number two overall over the year for the year. Twenty nineteen and a A best of the nominated films. So I'm very pleased that one. I just didn't think it would well well. WHO's the number one film in your mind there? the fare well with Aquafina Aquafina. That gave the best performance last year. My opinion and the farewell I recommend truly truly truly very much thought. It was ripped off from several nomination so I was very disappointed that but you know what. Hey that's the Oscars congrats to parasite well-deserved and I'm just so happy to see a very good film that it's not too controversial. I know nineteen seventeen had won a lot of wars leading to it but and I know it's a great film but I don't think a lot of people are upset that parasite one because of the fact that it is that underdog type film right all right. Well I was Kinda surprised myself myself but the people were surprised it only won a couple of awards like spirit awards and things of that nature leading up to it and sag too I think think couples words For the most part nineteen seventeen and won the Golden Globes whatnot. So you know. A lot of people were choosing parasite but I will. We'll say right now. That speaking of underdogs the Lakers after the trade deadline are now can be considered a definite underdog in over the overall race towards the NBA finals. Because they have now got a little bit even steeper challenge because a lack of activity. Tiffany at the trade deadline has caused a lot of people to shift even further into the camps of the Milwaukee Bucks and also as well the in Los Angeles Clippers. But what can I say. It's just you know I I. I know we talked about Rob Pelinka getting that extension in January wary and I said he had to prove it to me. Well he hasn't proven to me yet and I'm kind of disappointed that they went ahead and got you know before everything laid itself out through the core season gave that money out because I think there should have been some activity at the trade deadline and unfortunately there was i. I was kind of A. I have to admit that I was really shocked that we didn't do anything at the trade deadline And in fact I I pretty much stirred up the Hornet's nest on Laker Hall Dot net by taking a position that I thought it was a massive mistake The I would've I would've Taken a deal for Danny Green and Kyle coups for sure I think what's really fascinating about. It is the double the contract the contradictory stories that have come out from press What is actually so you really happened in that transaction Because we had Romania Ramona Shelburne. Come out and say pretty much. That that the Lakers acres were offered that deal and turn it down and then you had broderick. Turner come out and completely contradict herb. Based basically basically saying that the Lakers offered dreaming and Kouzmin as I offer and the Knicks surprisingly turned it down Even with a back story that the mavericks were already to trade a draft pick for Danny Green if the Knicks at bullet tradeoff in-in-in-in supposedly according to Bob Turner came back and offered There are counter offered that they would like to have a re- Bradley Adly Danny Green and Kyle coups minute. Second round draft. Pick for Morris and Lakers turned that down It's kind of a fascinating fascinating double story and we haven't heard. I haven't heard anything more about the contradiction between the two of them. So I've spun it in my favor because I was extremely disappointed in as you know We differ a little bit. And how how much we think of Rod Blake at this point at what point. He's proven himself as the Lakers vice president of basketball operations. I thought he's done a splendid job and I was really angry that he didn't take the Danny Green. Ah Kyle Kuzma thing But the other side of it is I would not have traded demarcus cousins. I've always felt the demarcus cousins. This is the Ason all in that. He's he's one of the main reasons that enter. Anthony Davis will stay with the Lakers and he is forecast in my mind as a guy that the Lakers will will use their full Emil Emilee next year or a good portion of it to sign him to a two year deal in order to earn his bird rights and be able the overpay him. Whatever they have to nick Ordered the Lakers Ashley need to have next to Next Anthony any Davis so at least in my spin I'm able to retain my confidence in Rob Pelinka for not making the deal with cousins hanging onto that fact that cousins sort of lockout redshirt star quarterback be will for next season And we'll see what happens in the in the buyout market But elephant even just the the failure to get Morris was depressing. It was two other things sort of happened simultaneously simultaneously the first being cal Kusuma. who had had two very aggressive games right before the trade deadline Murray Yanked Down Twelve and sixteen gene rebounds and was really hustling like everything? All over the court in any comes in and throws out to dud games where he basically scores four points in it in the next game has four turnovers So that was disappointing. That was not the kind of response that you wanted to see from that young man after surviving after surviving the trade deadline. And then we have. Darren Collison the Jehovah's witness totally turning around and saying you know I'm not gonNA come back to the NBA. This is after the Lakers hosted admit at the game at Staples Center city next. It's the genie buzz at conversations with Anthony Davis Supposedly went in. I heard double stories again. Contradictions at either went into the locker room. Uh after the game where he didn't go into locker room after the game But at any rate you add those two disappointments and and you know it. The Lakers are the underdog underdog. I think you're absolutely right Gerald And in some ways maybe less good but then you look at how they played the last two games And they played just like Kyle Kuzma played Lebron vary mortal Eighty looked like I couldn't get his own shop We had some good signs. Avery Bradley Shooting Lights out all of a sudden from from everywhere in the nets. Definitely a good sign by the defense doesn't look anything light. It was originally And we almost lost. We lost did we did lose to the rockets in their new Super Small Ball and we almost lost to the to the Golden State Warriors And it seemed obvious that you know the same night. The Clippers got white van. They gave a binder and forty points to the timberwolves with without the Ngelo Russell. A A- and with the both the quiet Leonard and Paul George and the lineup. So it's you know it. It's it's definitely the dog days of the NBA. Everybody's looking forward to the break at the All Star for the All Star game so forth in the you know I. It's hard to not be disappointed a little bit in the Lakers. I thought the roll out of options air After after I heard about the Morris Straight I was even willing to entertain your your proposals for the other Morris who at least I could be a a stretch five to play alongside a Anthony Davis Win. Lebron sits so We got we got a game tonight. That should be a Cakewalk then we have game against the nuggets on Wednesday night. So it'd be interesting to see how the Lakers respond to these games. How Kyle Kuzma response to those those games And thank God. We've got the break for the all-star game over the weekend and hopefully Lakers will regroup GET THEIR MOJO JOE back in and be ready to take the rest of the League and All through this entire mess. We've managed to stay number for offensive rating number number five in defensive rating number three net rating and we've actually increased our lead now to four full games in the loss column over the the Clippers and the nuggets. So everything is not terrible. You know I think we're in pretty good shape All of the guys that we were I I mean I was hoping we would get call us Williams. Both of them are gone at this point dying now it looks like in God. We've got a great relationship with the rich Paul and Clutch sports it Because it looks like the logical candidates or candidate if you will depending on how many moves we make are going to be Dion Waiters Sousa Clutch client and Jr.. Smith is watch client waiters. Waiters could be he could very well be another version of Dwight Howard. That's what you'd have to hope for the Lakers. Were willing to sign him He did play with Lebron for a brief period the with the cavaliers and that didn't turn out well they turned around and traded him Waiters has talent he can distribute the ball. He's averaged deal three point and eight or three point three assists per game over the last two seasons before the ill-fated season Rees only played a few games Andy can score. He can create his shot and eaten create for others He's not a bad defender. He you just have to worry about. What kind of headaches? And you know he sorta like Dwight Howard was a guy that you just didn't know if he could ever get on the same age as the rest of the team. You know as a reputation mutations a salvage player and you know you've probably got to watch out for a given him dummies love Blaine and be careful of this whole thing. If there's a team in the league that can take a player like that and tournaments around. I think it's a team with leadership that you've got a Lebron James is an and Anthony Davis And I'm sure that if they were if they do sign waiters or even signed Jr Smith. It will only be after Anthony Davis in Lebron. James both approved that situation and feel comfortable doing that So that's sort of my summary of allies saw the entire debacle of the trade deadline and the clippers. Moving moving ahead of the Lakers. The bucks picking up Williams who had a obviously had lined up four Williams ever negotiated a buyout. Asa both of those teams made advances in. There's an argument to be made. The Miami Heat could playoff picture at this point in time as a possible threaten in the east the the Toronto Raptors. She just can't keep ignoring those guys. They keep winning games They have a versatile defense. A great coach who makes ex-great adjustments and who knows in the West. The rockets rockets are scary. Team if they if they hit a lot of threes they can take anybody down in a seven game series and small Dantonio in Maurier going to go out in a flame of glory. Or they're going to go out in a flame of denial one way or the other. They're putting all their money on on the ultimate analytics team and they've got the guys to do you know we're signaling. The REP for a quick time out. But we'll be back with more of the Lakers fast-break podcast check out. What's been going on with the pop culture cosmo show an eh the PCC multi-diverse? I see the potential for basically a another netflix signed a paradigm shift. Where here comes this other major player? 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There's cannot think enough for picking our show up for a great season of Laker's fastbreak rake basketball and you seem to pile it up all their on the You know full recap it whatnot but I want to go ahead and break it down piece by piece. It was the trade deadline You know and there was a lot of speculation on what the Lakers would do and you mentioned that previously that the not that Rob Pelinka himself was in a he. He did have a lot to go through. And we discussed that on last week's program but I you know it looks like the offers is that were there. They were asking maybe a little bit too much in the New York Knicks light but they seem to get a lot in return. I would still held out for Landry Shamet if I would have been the Knicks six two and I think they could have gotten it just because shortly after the Lakers dropped out you know. They're still at thirty minutes to go a boy when the Lakers said we're pulling Guzman we're not gonNA make a deal. Yeah I would have taken. I would've asked for Landry. Shamet on top of the deal and the four first-round pick ammo heartless. I think they could have gotten it. Because if they would have been a bidding more with the Lakers You know just to keep the the the Marcus Morris. Keep Marcus Morris away away from the front of the Lakers. I would have done that but you know. That's next the Knicks. There's a state of disarray. anyways bringing on presidents firing presents anyways so It's really weird that there. There's talk now. Probably going to waive heartless by him out which means that basically they traded markets Morris first round draft pick pretty much. Yeah pretty much at this point in time. Anna's Hannas you know who knows how high it's going to be a first round draft pick but we have to wait and see and I know Leon rose I believe is going to be the new president president of the New York Knicks Pretty soon. He's bringing in some people that I think will do a much better job going forward for that team but yes I gotTA scratch my head. Uh on on why. The Knicks did what they did because they could have gotten more out of clippers. I think in a personal opinion And I'll mention that hopefully will get get a chance to talk to my good friend Anti Barbara who is a beloved clippers fan. Who should be kind of on a high or was on a real high? I know he texts me back and forth worth was one I got to be on the show got to be on the show again and unfortunately they happen to get destroyed in Memphis or men's Minnesota actually and and you know that kind of put the damn things but I hopefully will get him on this week for the program so we go ahead. Talk Lakers clippers and how everything is going there but right now now all the pundits all the prognosticators. They're also pushing the idea of Milwaukee which did get Marvin Williams a veteran forward from the Cleveland. Hornets in a buyout. Thirty three years old Still could play defense. And he's almost a forty percent shooter from the three point area. So that's always attractive. And then of course. Like I mentioned Marcus Morris at forty three percent three point and also as well a very good defender and can play the small ball five. He goes over to the clippers and makes them a more enticing team. They did get Isaiah Thomas but did ended up waiving him so he is now available on the open marketplace. One name that you didn't mention was tyler. Johnson who is just weighed five phoenix. PLAYS COMBO RO role of both point guard and shooting guard kind of intriguing. I'm not saying he's the answer. In fact everything off the buyout market right now hasn't been the answer because I do not share your faith in Jr Smith. I still have that imprinted in my brain. The Look Lebron gave when Day Are Smith made that terrible mistake in the NBA finals. That will forever be go down in history along with Chris. Webber those two mistakes were probably right up there. One to as far as bonehead delays in a crucial situation Shen and yes shack and a full indeed but he also have dion waiters. And I'm sorry. I'm not going on waiters silence once again because you know. Gummy bears aside. There's some real issues there on why he's being let go after being such productive player I mean also the stability gets injured quite a bit and with most of these guys that are on the Bayat market. That's part of the problem is injury woes signal. Look at Tyler Johnson. Okay Dion waiters. Take a look at all the different players that are out there creating next year and they're all free agents and they're all have been injured in in the recent past so they all have a history of You know not being able to suit up when you need them the most kind of worried about each and every one of them. So I'm not not exactly thrilled with any of the options or overjoyed with any of the options. But I think of them Tyler Johnson again a point guard slash is last year shooting guard. He's a Combo Guard may be able to be effective playing on the ball and off the ball. Enough shoot spot. Thirty seven and a half percent right now from the three-point report line so decent which may be good enough to spell you. Know as far as Lebron when he goes out of the game for those crucial crucial five to ten minutes a game. That you WANNA go ahead in the playoffs. I mean he may be able to be that playmaker. He's young enough to be the playmaker that the Lakers it's kind of neat. But whether or not he has the ability to do that I don't know that remains to be seen so we're GONNA have to take a look at that. I mean your impressions of Tyler Johnson. They're I'm not great with me but then again not exactly thrilled by what's on the buyout market at this point in time. Yeah I'm I'm sort of in the same boat as you. I happen happen to think that. I think that there's a chance that we might give waiters a look but again as I said it would have to be because he you would have to convince Lebron. Ad that he was going that he's understood. What the Lakers were about? The Nets probably a long shot at best best. Jr Smith I tend to feel the same way as you do that. You have the additional problem that he hasn't played for six months you know. He hasn't played since December of two thousand eighteen. Actually so it's it's like eighteen months out. I think if there was a player out there who might interest the Lakers. You know the biggest problems we had was the lack of second playmaker when Lebron's debts and another bigger wing to guard the top scoring wings on other teams. So I think the first one the playmaking thing. It's not a Sirius' Mrs as people put it out to be simply because once we get into the playoffs Lebron's going to be in that game for forty minutes a game so we're going to be about eight minutes. It's that you've got to cover with somebody else and I do think there is a solution to do. Net wrote an article in in medium and had been pushing it on twitter and ended liquor all dot net basically that The solution is Anthony Davis to be the second blame air Surrounded founded by a bunch of three point shooters But also I think the staying staying on the subject of the defensive wing. We could knees. I definitely think that heartless would be odd possible option I know that the Mavericks feel like they have a lead into him And the Knicks have not committed that they're going to do a buy out Supposedly told him that if he was willing to do it. They would You wouldn't have to move. You could stay in Los Angeles. He can get a measure of revenge. The only reason he was the starter for most of the year for the clippers was is defense. He's six seven to twenty Long arms so he's got a good reach and he's probably a better option for defending a guy like Jake Kawhi Leonard Than Danny Green is or or KC or any of the other defenders at the Lakers. He's got a little extra hyphen sized to to do that. And right now he's really the only he's really the only buyout candidate that I think could have an impact. Act on the Lakers. At this point in time other than possibly waiters if he was able to somehow recreate the same pathway that might our debt therein lies the problem. I mean you know. It's more than halfway into the season and he could have those opportunities. He only got to play a handful. The Games in Miami before being traded at ample a game Zoya admit that's true. I mean and forty seven percent from deep. I am just to sample size. So we'll have to wait and see a very twenty by like three or four games and you know if you approach Lebron and say your choices. Horses are a dion waiters. Going back to you. Know Doc into waiters islands once again or be you have. Jr Smith Smith. Both of whom are cluff clients. Jerry doesn't matter or get both of them. I'm sure timely man. Both A- sure at some point in time Lebron wanted to go ahead and give them some type of Gut Punch history with Laurent. Yeah and and it's not always that great. Hey you know some of it's good some of it's not so good so I mean with Braun. I think you've gotta go ahead and and maybe try something different. I think again. I'm not taint Tyler Johnson. The answer I'm but I'm saying maybe someone else is. You talked about other people that have other players. I should say that are in the process the possibly being bought out I mean this buyout market. I was hoping would transpire little bit faster quicker at least before the All star break. You would have some sort of definitive answer by now. Who the Lakers would be getting or would be interested in or would be obtaining but yeah the fallout from Darren? Collison not just deciding not to be a part of by the Lakers or the clippers. That's a killer And that's that's a real ding in the armor for either. Either one clippers or the Lakers both had a great use for his skills in his towns. Yeah you know there. I spent a lot of time just thinking about this whole situation and I. It's kind of ironic. I did A. I've I've been playing around with the new tweet series that you can create and I created a series of tweets that focused on Anthony any Davis and and basically what to do with the whole situation of when we do. We're almost an unbeatable team when you got Lebron on the floor the net ratings are just off of the rough An eighty goes out in Lebron's stays in the floor and it's still you know we're still a team that just destroys everybody. The problem comes when you put. Lebron sits and eighty comes on the floor we actually have a negative rating. This is with a top five player on the team and a lot of that criticism I think has to go to frank. Vogel for the adjustment. Cities made Bogle at the start of the year when he was. I talked about as a coach. A lot of people. A lot of people commented that they felt that he it was still left in the previous era before analytics pre analytics because basically he he didn't he really believed in defense I but he also believed leave. The offense started in post inside out rather than outside in. I think the game is pretty much. Flip that around. You know you can still say the defense starts it at the at the inside out situation but if you WANNA play offense in the modern. NBA I think it's pretty. Well been determined that it's an outside game right right now. It's driving kick. It's getting three points or attacking the basket and Franck while he has embraced that and said that he's changed his philosophy. Lots of e in that respect what still remains is that he comments about players some players like Roseanne Rondo that basically legal he doesn't he doesn't go entirely by the statistics. When it comes to a guy like Rondo and when you go back and look at the problems that the the Lakers have had when a de- has been going Solo? A big problem has been. It's always always with Rondo as the point guard and so you can even find some of the couse buffet screaming bloody murder because when Kouzmin gets an opportunity to play the second time it's also with Rondo as the playmaker so I've come to the conclusion that there is a way for the Lakers to not do anything as far as bringing in players from the buyout marketer free agent market but just keep the exact doc same roster but what they need to do is whenever Lebron leads lineup. They need to do several things. The first of which is bench Rajon Rondo. The second is don't put another big guy out there who's a non shooter who is a non threat like Javale McGee or Dwight Howard Lord instead. I think that they should play Dudley. I know that you are not a big Dudley Fan. But Dudley Dudley shooting shooting fifty percent on three point shots he said sixteen or thirty two threes. He's taken he has the lowest catch. This he has the is the only later with the defensive rating under under a hundred. So He's a guy that's as crafty guy. And if you put him out there with three guards who can shoot the ball Danny Green. It could be dating Green Avery Bradley and and KC It could be you could You get include Daniels. In their times you could include Caruso in times if he's being aggressive and taking shop but the whole point of the thing is that what. Anthony Davis needs to do to be successful. He's a number two playmaker and the team averages three and a half six per game there's not another player on the team other in Rondo at five point. Four and Lebron eleven that even more than two assists per game. So what you WANNA do. Is You need to spread the floor. You need to make sure that the he's got roomed operate. I leave the comments made by the clippers all Georgian in colliding. Both raving about Marcus Morris Morris. Marcus Morris didn't hardly had any impact on a score or in the stats. But the one thing he is when you put another shooter out there it created more more space than they were just impressed l. at the space it was created because of Morrison's gravity as a three point shooter at the Lakers would surround Lebron with surround. Anthony Davis with four elite three point shooters. They can still have a good defensive lineup. They can have. They can have Dudley Guard center. Erin let that roam around. So he doesn't have to bang inside and I'm positive that this lineup would unleash him so that he could really he'd become the kind of player that you want because bright now every time he goes in there. He's got to non threats that are out there on the court I mean. How many times have you seen guys is in the Lakers? Drive have beautiful drive to the basket. Fire the ball out to an open three point shooter and Lo and behold the upper three point shooter is resign. Rondo and then falls apart hesitates or e TESA shot in middle. Or How many times do you see you drive into the centre. And there's two or three guys waiting waiting for eighty to eighty attack the rim simply because you've got Vail McGee or or Dwight Howard in the game and that's a whole different game the the big success that eighty had an playoffs two years ago. When eighty swept the Portland Trailblazers Dame Lillard was all based upon having a a great three point shooter at center and that was demarcus cousins? And this is why I believe the Lakers did not trade cousins. It's also why. Oh I think the New York Knicks wanted to get cousins. They wanted to get cousins and hope that they could steal. Anthony Davis over the summer cousins. Basically three was hard before he got inter to hit the shoot three hundred. Three's that thirty six percent the very next year. The Guy who did that was the first in the history of the NBA to ever do that as a center and it was Brook Lopez for the Milwaukee Bucks. And it's what took the Milwaukee Bucks from us. Oh team to end in in an freed the court up for Diaz for us to really attack the rim so the Lakers have to use that saint. Possibly I believe that I I believe very much that Pelinka is never going to let go of cousins at this point in time. He's back him on the bench sitting next to her lover. Ad They love all those two guys love of him. He's going to be the center of the future for the Lakers. But they could take a step forward right now and this and do the same thing with Dudley. It's not gonNA going to be like having demarcus cousins in their Dudley can shoot the three and he can play pretty good stand up defense. They understands verticality galaxy. He knows he makes the right rotations and so forth. It doesn't have the athleticism he did before. He's not quick as he was before you'll get beat and certain times but he's also also gonNA have Anthony Davis roaming free on defense and he's going to have four guys on offense that and basically they can't leave any of those four guys opener the shots and that's the kind of spacing and freedom. That Anthony Davis need in order to for him to carry the second unit and be the second superstar on. This team will be back. 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I'll tell you what things have to improve with the Lakers overall as far as their standard of play because their defense which was their a calling card the first portion of the season when they got that Godley record and you and I were living high off the hog and everything was great and everything was Dandy. That's seems to have gone away with both the Lakers and clippers. I mean there have been very poorest. Both of them defensively in the past couple weeks. I've taken great notice with this. Only the Milwaukee Bucks think have actually kept their focus because I think Milwaukee's really driving towards somethings which is kind of scary at this point in time but you you know you see the lack of focus. Some bad habits. I think has been talked about a lot when it comes to what we're seeing on screen a lot of analysts are saying. I think that there's a lot of Bad Habits that are doing this season that happens over the course of eighty two game season which is unfortunate especially for Lakers fans. But we saw I know this past weekend with the Golden State Warriors. I'm just GONNA say this friend. It was one of the worst wins. Ever seen of the Lakers. Before at least this year maybe any year because they looked absolutely awful but but yet because they were playing against a glorified G. League team. They were up by twenty one and still had to fight to win ultimately in the end because they were just playing so badly so so sloppy so you know so lax on defense they just totally did not give any credit at all to golden state and the thing is again S.. I've told you this comes around to. What will I be seeing later this year? Not The season but later this calendar year when Golden State gets all of its guys back and all those young guys. All those g league's players that they've signed two contracts. They're going to be getting that kind of experience and they're gonNA around out. What could be a very decent bench now very cheap bench for them going forward? That could be ready to play and ready to play hard when all the main main guys come back which could make golden state scary. So I've got another point lead into this but I want to hear your thoughts when it comes to the Lakers this past weekend and Dan how they need to snap out of it because you know playing against the Golden State team like that in that way in that bad isn't going to get done on virtually any other team. Well if you look at the two games that they played after the trade deadline I think the first problem started with the game against the rockets. I Matt should've been gain where you knew. The rockets were gonNA come out and shoot sixty or seventy. Three's okay and for old school. NBA Fans who think that the three point shot has changed the game in negative. May you still have to understand that. Three points costs more than two points and you cannot. You cannot have a differential of made three point shots of ten. which the Lakers did I mean? They made ten Kenmore three point shots for the rockets equals thirty more points it all you can dominate the boards. And do whatever you want to do. It's almost impossible to make thirty points now. The next night one thing they did better against a fourteen the warriors was at least one or three point battle by three three points fourteen over thirteen it dominated the boards. They killed him aboard. But the problem was turnovers. We had so many turnovers we gave them eleven points in turnover differential and we had about twelve points in free throw differential warriors may twelve more more free throws Lebron. Hardly gets the line and that's really just a total crime in and of itself if they reps would get him the little bumps that all of the other superstars seemed to get at heart and seems to get no matter what you do they would be fine but the combination of Lebron just Lebron on was mortal Lebron Talk About Playoff Rondo. One thing we can't have happened for the Lakers is if we don't have superstar Lebron. We're in trouble because add still basically is putting up numbers but now it's just like it was to be honest in New Orleans. He put up a lot of numbers that you didn't win. A lot of games because of those numbers it still comes down to a player. Like Lebron carrying the Lakers in the Lakers live and die with Lebron which is just like Allison's would have been such a terrific help to the team I don't know what the solution is. Part of it is part of. It is obviously effort at this point in time time It's a long grinding season. Eighty two games as my wife always reminds me when she says another later. Dame this week It's it's you know it's always on and you know it's it's like it's like a job to commute the gotta get an that plane and they gotta go to these Games and I got to show Ella practice and so forth in an in it grueling and I think at this point in time they need a break off. I'm just hoping that they can manage to hang on the good. A good part is that Malays sort of spread around league everybody except for maybe the Milwaukee Bucks. They've been blowing games. You know in verb remarkably through this stretchy. We still hold that four game lead in the loss column so I'M NOT A. I'm not as worried about that. I'm I'm really more worried. Read about what adjustment Frank Bogo will make to the offense. I think we'll get our MOJO back. Defensively I think that the the big key is what would what do we do. When eighty goes solo? Do we still stick him in with a big man. Down if the dunker spot and with resign Rondo running the offense. If we do that by it's GonNa be a long season you know. I think it's I think that we could even lose home-court advantage. We continue you to do that. Because the plus minus are so negative when Rondos running the offense that you know it's like a handicap I I know that Lebron and ad really respect and trust Brando. But there's a ban sodas Frank Vogel but there's a point. There's a point that we've reached her. They've I've got to take a look at the numbers and say we've got to try something different and the only thing different to try really to be honest used to go small and even if he doesn't doesn't WanNa play center put somebody else in there bring up cake from from the from the D. League. Let him on be the the small ball center. Do something to keep the team going when eighty when rebrand sits down Otherwise I think the strategy will be a struggle. We may lose on Gordon vantage or we may wear Lebron out by the time we get the playoffs and neither one of those is a solution and for us to head into the playoffs and the right step so right now at all sticks. It's all on Frank Vogel's head. As far as I'm concerned. He needs to make some adjustments and he needs needs to come to some reality about John. Rondo you can bet the Rondo is just surprised. Probably thrilled gallison. Wasn't GonNa join the team and he's probably. The only guy team was thrilled. Housing wasn't gonNA join other than maybe troy. Daniels thought he might get cut I I don't think we have to cut anybody but we definitely have to. We definitely need some help from our coaching staff. And I would say it's also applies to Kyle Kuzma who's GonNa gotta start showing something. He's got to start showing some fire and come out there and start to play the way that we expected him to play if we don't get a contribution contribution from him. It's going to exacerbate the impact of not signing anybody not making a deal at the trade deadline And and he's a talented player. We need something from him. Going forward a lot more than what we're getting at this point in time And I think part of that problem problem is also on Frank Vogel. You know. It's the combination of Larry putting him I don't think he's a good enough three point shooter at this point in time that I put him out there with eighty four guys that I'd surround eighty with but maybe we've got to put him out there because at least he'll have more room to operate at that particular time The truth of the matter there is A. He's probably better playing with Lebron than without him because he's really not a guy who gets his own shot. He's a guy who who can make great cuts to the basket and so forth I'd like to see him put an aggressive rebounding stance on like he did for the last two games before the trade deadline fine He added get impressive. Job Hustling any offense and glass and defensive glass for rebounds But again you know players have certain players have certain strengths and weaknesses in. It's up to the coaching staff to find the right situations. In order to emphasized their strengths and minimize our weaknesses and frank. Vogel I think has done a terrific job. Coaching the Lakers. But the job's not done yet and he needs to make the right moves as we go for the rest of the season in order to hold onto homecourt advantage and see what happens right now. It looks like if the standings els uh we blame the Grizzlies in the first round than either the Mavericks Early Rockets in the second round and obviously the Clippers Arisen Western conference finals in. I think either the either the bucks or the raptors or the Celtics. Maybe maybe even from the east to Celtics Celtics keep playing well. We're only got a few minutes left so I ask you this my friend. I'm GonNa still got three do things I want to touch on and I is. There was a comment on one of the Lakers. PODCAST that are out there. Not Quite as good as ours of course. But one of the Lakers podcasts casts. That are out there. What are the individuals that was on? The show commented that they had a hard time understanding her believing leaving. The Lakers should have a championship or bus mentality. That a lot of the Lakers fans out there and also the Lakers organization has and I was kind of taken taken aback by that. Because the fact that you know they should have a championship or bus mentality. I mean Lebron is not getting any younger. Eighty is a free agent. You don't know what's going to happen next with injuries and things of that nature and again I will mention as I've already mentioned to you several times over the course of the season already golden state gets healthy and you also have these other teams. I mean you look at the top what. Let's say the the top seven teams. Let's throw up Memphis right now because Memphis is still Tina's growing as they've got a great future going forward for them. You've got to take a look at these seventeen. Maybe you can thraw Oklahoma City because they'll do reshuffling because the supreme agency and things of that nature so let's take these six teams those six teams top six teams in the West S.. Right now they're not going to go ahead and intentionally take a step back they all gonna take steps to go ahead and improve upon what they're doing right now plus again like you said you had golden state you have Portland. Which obviously with the veteran nature that they have would try to go ahead and make improvements in tweaks as well so yes yes there should be a championship or bus mentality because the West is only going to get more contested? Only going to get a lot. More problematic for the Lakers going going forward. I'm not even talking about now for the rest of the season. I'm talking about going forward because you never know what's going to happen. You know that John is GonNa land here in twenty twenty anyone. You don't know a D is going to sign on the dotted line for sure in twenty twenty so I ask you my friend. What is the concept of why somebody would? Actually she say that because it to me. What's kind of troubling because the Lakers should have a championship or bus mentality? Because right now they need to get it done because that's the window and their window might be closing faster than you think. I agree one hundred percent with Gerald their window eventually. Two years they have they have to guaranteed years left on Lebron James Contract. But you don't know what kind of Lebron you're getting extra time it's going to. I mean even as well as Lebron has been playing. We've seen signs that we haven't seen the previous year of his. I mean I mean just look at the clock just look at the game with Boyer's another factor for the ways that you didn't mention his are going to get a very I this year absolutely and And let me tell you inder witnesses. Very talented player is motors. His motorists got a question that the kid can play Any a perfect perfect fit for for them much better fit for him. The allows a great job that they did pulling off that trade and first-round pick on top of it. I I definitely I definitely feel like the Lakers. The one thing that I think I've drawn a line on in the you know I've even gotten to the point where I would have been willing to move t at the trade deadline. And he's a kid that I think has great potential but he's only magazine years old. He's like two years years away from being a potential candidate even any roster time. He's not ready at all. He's just not even best player in the South Bay Lakers but he asked is terrific. Potential cousins is the one big thing that I think is is a play for the future but other than that. The Lakers the Lakers. Basically you look at all of the guys on this team and there are very few people who they're very few players on this team that I expect to be there two years from now. Then that pretty much says that the Lakers are a win now mode and anybody I think and I don't know who I didn't hear that I didn't listen to that. Same Bob Gas but my reaction would have been the same as you that that person is crazy. The Lakers are on a total win. Now mentality they're playing a few. They're keeping a few little cards in your shirt pocket. You know demarcus cousins and and maybe not trading a second round pick next year But when we get down to this summer in Kyle Kuzma is probably GONNA get traded. I wouldn't be surprised if Danny Green got traded and even if we win a championship happen ship. I think that's the same thing is going to happen. I think that you're you're going to be seeing a lot of action because all of these guys who have no trade contracts at this point in time. Next summer they'll be traded and so casey peas not going to be safe. You know develop McGee's not going to be safe because cousins is coming back to the lineup China. So I think the Lakers are in a in a two. They have a championship window right now. That's two years if they can sign eighty the summer and that's not a guarantee see. I mean we saw everybody thought Collison was guarantee at one point in time everybody. Zacharolli was a guaranteed. And you're a fool if you think that is a guarantee I mean. That's the main reason why cousins is still here So I I agree with you. One hundred percent. That's a crazy statement to make the Lakers more than any other team in the League at this point in time is in a win now mentality and should be. We're signalling the REP for for a quick time out but will be back with more of the Lakers fast-break podcast. Hey Listener Dutch here from voice from on the underground the podcast my coast and I want to invite you to check out our little corner of the podcast verse at voice from the underground we talk about all the crazy happening around us and try to make a little bit of sense are the nonsense with little to no results if the idea of hearing three semi intelligent outspoken nerds talk about politics social issues current events sports movies pretty much anything that we decided to talk about because well. It's our show appeals to you. Grab your shoveling. Come on down in the underground and then consult a qualified psychotherapist. Finds Wherever you get your podcast just not where you buy your weed from the underground we've got just a couple minutes left so I do want to touch touch on a couple of things. Real quick first off is the week ahead. Tough game coming up. In Denver on Wednesday at Denver that will go ahead and basically solution the bush and where the Lakers are at going into the all star break but then also like I said the tough game in Denver that they do need to stay focused on because Denver is now right behind saying them in the West three games out so a lot of things that they have to go ahead for their your thoughts on the week ahead for the Lakers. I don't think I don't think The Phoenix Game Trap Game. I think that will take them easily. I'm hoping that won't be sloppy hoping that the little. I'm hoping that they got the slop out of their minds. But it all really depends on the Brian. Brian sets the tone for the game. You know The way the way the warriors game MHM started with the ball rolling out of bounds was hilarious. After we win the jump you know he and eighty walk over there and they both look at each other. The ball rolls out of bounds. Talk about a harbinger sign of things to come for the rest of the game. The Denver Games a tough game. I think we match up well against Denver you know and we handle them. Last time we were. They're they're going to be eager for revenge. Jokic is playing much much better than he was back when we played them last time. And that's got to be a big factor and I think they'll get our attention. I'm hoping that everybody will be up for that. Game will get our defensive Mojo back and really show them you know that they're pretenders were the contenders genders are. I prefer we had out once again. I'm talking to Laker Tom. You want to go ahead and see him today. At Laker Hall Dot net also wanted to be a part of the conversation there is a Laker dot net and real quickly. So WanNa hear your thoughts on why people need to check out your awesome sight. Laker Hollick's dot net. You can imagine A lot of activity going on at the site and traffic has been roaring through their With the trade deadline and all of the various things happening Laker fans there. Are you know having a lot of mixed feelings right now. There's a lot of people who were are angry at not doing anything at the trade deadline or others who are angry angry at Kuzma for not playing well and others who are angry at the fans who are angry at Gouzer not playing. Well almost everybody's angry at Rondo. So that's is at least one unifying theme throughout the whole thing. We're worried about human. Lebron you know you WANNA have Super Lebron. Everybody's a little concerned about how the defense has been going that leads to good conversations and things have still remained very civil so it's a place where you could still come an Afghan a fun regardless of what your opinion is which side of the argument you're on you'll still get a lot of respect from the people for what you have to say. And and that's I think what makes the site really unusual for a fan insight. It's it's it's not a barstool barroom type atmosphere instead it's A. It's an intelligent is beer where people are backing up their statements with logical conclusions and and some good statistics and and a lot of still a lot of good faith in in the Lakers existing roster. Everybody they're still feels that we're going to be I in the western half homecourt advantage. Most of them are intelligent enough to accept the fact. That a the clippers. Maybe the favorites at this point in time but in the end I think that it comes down to the fact that we still have Lebron. James and Anthony Davis and good talented roster a good coaching staff. When a good front office office we may not have agreed with everything that the front office coaches have done or the way that the team has responded in the last couple of games? But we're here for the long-haul and and all of us bleed purple and gold. Things will be okay once again. That's sacred Alex Dot net. You gotta be part of the conversation today at Laker Hall. Alex Dot net. Well for us again. If you have any questions it's at Laker's fastbreak on twitter also swelled Laker's fastbreak at Yahoo Dot Com. It is going to be another interesting in week to see if the Lakers make any changes they pick up anybody off the buyout market will be checking it for you right here. LAKER's fastbreak take on all of our social media. FACEBOOK also wall twitter and all the nine yards to check it out today. Be Part of it at Laker's fastbreak I'll tell are you what Tom it's. It's very interesting time for the Lakers. They should continue that championship or buts mentality as we head into the all star break. I'm looking forward to it as seeing. What's going on with the Lakers? Going forward after that and I'm also hoping that the avoid any gummy bears on the way out. Here's hoping that the Lakers will go ahead and make the right decisions going forward. Go ahead and have a focus again on defense and we'll be coming back LAKER. 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RPDC 34: Chuggin' the Bad Juice with Thirsty Dumbledore

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Matt i got a review for us from amazon Is for the disney plus app. Hey disney plus by disney app It is a television streaming. Netflix type app for any of those of you living under a rock. This review is written by. Ben ben himself and you know the title caught me you know why frontiers title to tell you it is someone called corn because this app has issues issues is the name of a corn song. I think he also did the capital aren corn. It looks very authentic. Better to be read her. Maybe maybe yeah this us. In all caps. There's one corn fan in the audience that absolutely hit with. Hey are still double over laughing anyway ben writes. This app has always had issues but lately it's only gotten worse it's moody. Sometimes it decides that while watching series. Almost every other episode will have audio but no video. I have to go back to the menu and then back to the series during up and credits. The screen will shrink down to the corner and leave the main screen to show a preview of the next episode cool. I like to know what's next except for when it continues to play the next episode in the tiny little box leaving the main screen blank like what every now and then the apple exit out on its own then there are the quote unquote collections of sorts. For example the simpsons halloween episodes. The app conveniently has them altogether in one spot. However there is no play. All options and the episodes will play in chronological order. According to the season it was not the collection. There's way too much going back and scrolling to where you were because it doesn't take you back to spot you are at it. Takes you back to the beginning. The inconvenience between episodes just renders the collections useless. Finally i've noticed. The performance of this app is better through fire. Stick than the app on my smart tv. Although that's not usually saying much at all it has so much potential but it has not been a great experience for me to stars for disney plus for bed. Just update your app. I think the answer. This guy lives in a world. Where yeah you you know. He doesn't know that applications can have updates and be improved his wifi. That's the thing it's probably just as bad wi fi. What's your paying man. Check the ping pong collier. What what's that website. Check my pink. Dot com dot com internet speed ping pong dot com. And then you you send a screen Tells us to give you free month's come on we're three advice here but what i really think is funny is yeah this Ben thinks technology is still sort of in the super nintendo era. You can you know you get the cartridge. You can't download and update the fix the glitches cartridge. That super mario super mario. You wanna wait on one and done. There's no one. Super mario world three one point one edition of you. What you see is what you get. This guy's this guy's iphone absolutely does not like him. It's constantly like hey you got. Update pays off that. He has an updated iphone since nineteen ninety seven s. It's a to g g vega ninety ninety seven order had to g remember. I always think about that. Remember when like h reduce seemed to g. This shit is so fast your head will explode and now it's like a to g. I can't even be bothered. I don't even want to g. I wouldn't even i wouldn't even have to g for free five g komen. What are we on now. Some there's some five g out there but it causes covid and oh the five the covert one. I thought that was the four g. No i think it's five. I tend to turn a blind eye to that. Sphere of the world to the jeez. Yeah yeah the me you know. I'm with them any more. Geez six seven. Jeez they're gonna start causing trouble. I think that's why there's five. Jeez there's bound to adjust statistically to be a bad g in the bunch. Eventually you know what i mean. Yeah you've got your dog and you got your g money we've got your g well occur as you think he's fine but keep an eye on him you keep going like the law of infinity. One of them is going to be g for global pandemic and we. We happen to hit it at five or six. It looks like bad. Draw what we're stuck with. Hey working with the help of some internet content out there listeners. Eight how are you. Gotta you gotta review. I honestly i maybe. This is a terrible idea. Or maybe it's the most perfect idea. I've had this episode. I have an amazon review here for a product that has been rated many many times. This product has two hundred ninety thousand eight hundred and eighty two global ratings and the product. Is the fire tv stick with alexa voice. Remote now topical. What sex worker. Yeah and even marts. Africa is iran's title to his review which is huge third dot com. Oh man we should. That should have been our podcast in the name of our podcast. Yeah i should have consulted ron on this. That just makes me think of like a nelson tight bully like beating us up and being like review. Party dot com. What a stupid name reminds me. Turn victor dot com. Then we'd cry punch. Yeah all right. So ron ron has. I don't think it's quite the manifesto That was his nuts. Head right ban. of course. H ben aged nuts. benda few nuts But ron still has plenty to say. Ron writes read carefully. Fine print five exclamation points says compatible with all these apps and companies. I think it says quote and hundreds of streaming services except one huge one. And he's got the the greater than and less than on either side sort of forming an arrows pointing towards youtube. Tv only the hottest streaming tv app on the planet right. Now that's like the nfl telling me. I can watch any team except tom brady. And the patriots. Why is this you ask well. Apparently to huge multibillion dollar companies or in this case one trillion dollar company amazon and one billion dollar company. Google are in some sort of piecing match. And i am the one who got cut by the buzzsaw because i imagine quote jeff and the boys quote from steve jobs when he pitched the ipad. Rip the mobile tablet market away from amazon. Ll yet go. Steve and sergei all and all the other idiots over there are in some dispute. So good google don't do evil which seems like all they do lately and all the weird people from my hometown of seattle that our amazon can get it together. In the meantime hey amazon in big bold letters right on the sales page not compatible with youtube tv and you have to go to the internet and jailbreak the fire stick and loads and third party afro some russian laptop hacker weenie to get youtube tv on your stick lee and we have amazon would rather do that and put american households at risk instead of working out a deal with google. Put that on the sales page right up front then no problem you know. I see jeff's philosophy that he drilled into people from seattle in the nineties. Slipping away with stuff like this one. I always liked about jeff is he understands consumer's expectations and how to exceed their expectations. But we might be backsliding on that. Now jeff one-star. I two things come to mind a hoffer to say to ron ronald here. One is well one one. The first one is you. I can't believe you would say that man's name in my presence while my heart is still delicate golden shells. Don't don't even sorry. Don't even someone up that man's presence on kansas city a all right and secondly i think if you're gonna get angry about corporations do in greedy corporation stuff which this man is very clearly fuming just beside himself. it's affecting his life. And that's what i can't you're going to get mad about that. I don't have to kind of time to be mad about harm. Rations doing greedy corporations. So there's not enough time in the day dude right. You're just walking on yourself in circles. You're digging a ditch in circles. So we'll be walking on the sun tzu. Child smash mouth yes. Do you know that that jammed. Yes of course. Okay okay okay. Got a deep cut. Its underrated classic. All era john. Where'd perfect thank you. Go t is forming on my face. My glasses are turning it into aviator sunglasses. What's this a bowling shirt appeared on me. I have become smash miles. But i can't watch youtube and that's really grinding. My gears here. Yeah it take your. Take your your anger towards amazon to amazon and posted there are they gonna do they're laughing. You other thrones weight of money. Shit ron bought the damn fires They got you do the. Gosh you got you. You're still using it by shorthairs he added you. They're laughing laughing their way to the bank in. You're doing nothing but frustrating yourself. And but i guess you know supervillain origin story you really. You got walking the sun by smashmouth stuck in your head. You just gotta get somewhere to listen to it and pandora. You can't just you know type in a song and then listen to you. Listen to the radio. You gotta wait for it to come around so often. He needs to go to youtube to get that source. Game needs walking on the sun now and he yet have it. What are we supposed to do has no mouth and he must scream. Smashmouth walking out the sun. That's all i got to say to ron. Let's move past streaming services for now. It was fun. That's fun yeah. Let's take as far away from technology and let's take us back someplace real a second week in a row that i'm bringing us back to our favorite place to visit here on review party. That's right tokyo. Yelp reviews it's practically a segment. Let me find which wanted it. Is i put an r. oak. The suckers name is are all right so here we are at a tokyo yelp. This is a yelp review. Four z location piss alley tokyo Piss sally is an alleyway lined with street. Food and bars okay. So it's kind of a cool old school. You know you you turn the corner and this narrow alley as far as the eye can see just all dingy who homey. Tokyo bars cool. Yeah it's gotta check it out if you go to tokyo andrew like food and drink but i don't think our would agree with me here user our our rights. Don't come here to eat. Don't come here to drink. Don't come in here to join the atmosphere. Don't come in here expecting a good time. Don't come here expecting to get your money's worth during our three weeks vacation. We actually made it a point to see all the quote unquote tourist things just to experience. Firsthand how they were so our bar was set. Pretty low from the get-go piss alley or memory lane as google maps likes to call. It is among the worst places we encountered during our trip. Don't come here not even to check it out. It's a waste of your time and money. The areas divided into two allies. That are about a city block long. We tried a few restaurants in each of the alleys and got an idea of how the area was having been through the area. Piss is the most apt name the locals could have given other than meat on a stick alley. There isn't anything here you couldn't get for cheaper and convenient store and the quote. Ambiance of the place is disappointed. It was the worst tourist trap pros close in the subway station. Mosa restaurants here can communicate in some form of english. Qods straight up deception and many of the restaurants including drink requirements. That aren't even stated anywhere. The restaurant or menu expensive small portions cover charges in excess of four hundred at up each restaurant very cramped very short one star. It sounded like he was going to not Not quite are are are be at the beginning there. He was laying down some lyrics dorm. Google don't enjoy the atmosphere unless your neighbors. I like where he was going with that I i got lost in the bridge though while he is just rambling on about him. Not really liking this type of place. I i mean you go to piss. You got big expectations. I understand you know who wouldn't that name conjures up. So many thoughts somebody somebody images of yes type of place. But he didn't for how much he ended this place. He didn't make any display. Smells like piss jokes. So like yeah. I was waiting for that. come on. what's funnier are. What makes what makes you want to go to a place less than someone saying. That play. Smells like piss. That place has a lot of this. I want to stay out of a place like that. I don't like that. But sally seems like there's not that much piss was just seems like a fun name. He's cute. I think i might investigate. Trepidation asli die. Gun alley nocturnally in sally. Sally sounds like justice magical place just a little bit seedier than the first to i will die. Elliott's a cd place right. Galleys is is on the up and up nocturnally. 'cause whole whole let's when harry goes to the scary part. The ghetto with the evil wizards. That's nocturnally yeah piss sally's is. I don't know it's like the adult. It's the other way. Yes that's just where the adults go to is butter beer hall. I know right because harry drank. What is to get fucked up. Ails am not ambrosio. What's the what's that liquorice. Tesa drinks the absence absence. Probably that stuff that dumbledore drank a whole bunch of you know about the memory. Juice nana nana in the cave likely of so thirsty. Let's let's take a we gotta stop the piss alley talk. I got to learn more about thirsty. Dumbledore here. I've read all the books and watch the k. They're looking for for the hor- cruxes they're looking for the end. Is it an evil spell. Harks he just needs a fucking needs. Some gatorade bad no they. There's a to get the heck rex carrier in goal by the seaside and the waves are crashing and they have to swim and dumbledore is little bodies to the cold water and the yup get through the wall with some ancient magic. And there's the lake. And i'm like oh there's a whole lot of dead bodies under this lake. Let's roll this boat across and there's little i don't know. Oh yeah okay back back. I just googled the dumbledore thirsty. The image i came up. That brought me back. He got to drink this gross. Drink a double aside. Harry no matter what i say. He's gotta make drinks a drink. Sure that's weird. That sounds really weird. That logo no software. Should i out of slop. I i really want. That's off anyway. Here's the picture that's man looking at it looking back in that scene i thought about for seems fucking weird. Yeah because you can't you can't magic the stuff out of the out in the you gotta get it out but if you drink the water from the lake the bodies will come alive and it's like all right. It's the it's the positive big riddle. Everything's a big riddle. If only you had a little What are they called no sham. Wao sandpile exactly. Yeah harry's lose through a sham royal into the into the foul Turn into like a brick of this poison juice. The house south of them. I am forgetting the house name. He drank it before dhabi or the evil one he wasn't he was just mean. Meanwhile like crook fuckers something cruikshanks. Is the cat fucked the cat. Yeah no hassle. See we're google way. Never turn away from now. I love this rabbit hole. I'm looking creature creature. Creature loves the chuck that bad juice. He did for his master but he liked it. He likes serving his master though he was like he had the heart of the whole time. Have you read some of that juice. And dumbledore what. The fuck are non. Don't give me any more of the bad jews airy that's the bad news all the not the jews. It was definitely like what's the worst kool aid. Flavor kiwi kiwi strawberry. Because it's not that bad. The largest just mad is not as good as we thought. It was a kiwi strawberry. That's great. what is this harry. I wouldn't strawberry kiwi man. We should we. Should harry potter stars. There would be way and we're also were not turfs. The universe would be fixed All right we're right. I feel like he just man up about it. If you don't like place say why you don't like it and move on. He really was going a bit too. Far was this the pros. The pros and the contradiction should have been the review in. It would have been pretty good even the hip hop preamble followed by the pros and cons. Yeah i think a lot. More people read the constitution if the preamble was i. Guess that's what hamilton. That's what this we did it all and all the if only we had had that thought two years ago we'd be rich low more than that but if only jk rowling had thought of this product that i'm about to talk about from amazon dot. Com it is called spirit. Cocktails mindful margarita. It is a non alcoholic cocktail in a can cause dry january. Some people do that even though. This episode isn't coming out in january as far as far as the calendar goes. It's good reason because you probably wouldn't want his anyway. We'll maybe now are safe zone if we make anyone thirsty with this review. Our consciences are clear. Just coaching and kiwi strawberry. It's not as good as i thought. I get an attracts like shit. Sugar so amazon customer titles their review. Not very good and writes. This was awful. It would probably be. It would probably be better if you just dumped it out and drank some margarita. Mix had friends over and they also tried it. God if i planned on disappointing to other people at once. I would've gone to dinner with my parents. Those guys got bits. One-star sweet yeah. We went from one. Nasty little battle beverage to To another year. yeah yeah. We flipped the other side of the coin. This year's disappointing parents as as with most coins in my life the other side lies parental disappointment. They're not they're not mad even now even now. Your words cut like i'd rather listen to hear about tom written. I can't even say it. I don't want anything to do with that. So this battle juice This is probably actually. We got ahead of ourselves with the kiwi strawberry. Cooley this is actually what was in that in that in that purple fountain was mark stuff. I looked up a fair amount of of non alcoholic cocktails and things and they were people saying this tastes like grass. i asked cocktails. Have to that genre of beverage. You're setting yourself up for success. I feel like how you're making it. You mean yeah or like posting a recipe. How can you make a bad non-alcoholic hotel is just like who makes all these tasty together. Make a tasty saying yeah. I don't get it. I get it. Maybe it's more complex than that. I think and i'm sure it is but couldn't it in can the alcoholic element out. That's one more variable for failure removed. I would think. I think it's that. They're trying to imitate the same haste. Oh rights the spirits. The punch spirits adds a lot to the cocktail we got. We got on the show. Ferrets the hawaiian punch merits. That's yeah that's what. Harry was fighting in the book. The punch of the spirits. The punch of the harry. Let's the unreleased book that Jk rowling sitting on harry potter and the punch of the spirits. It's very transphobic. Yeah she started. it started. She was really cooking up this Transphobic document and then it started to come out that People don't like that too much as you put it back in the vault. go man. Well you know it's getting a little spicy in here little top or spicy. Yeah let's let's cool up. Let's cool off. Who get past me something. That bad juice. I gotta kulov saying. hey everybody. Thank you for listening to our lovely little podcast if you'd like to go above and beyond and supporting our show or have the most fabulous conversation status in sliced bread. Go to review party. Dot com dot com click on shop and explore some fabulous t shirt designs. Where's your favorite place to work on my body mine. Mine is app store. Place where t-shirt review dot com dot com click shop. Why stop there. Don't stop now. Don't stop me now because buying a t shirt by in hello everybody. We're back with more review party for you. i got a segment a new segment. I'd like to try out one. Gold mine of internet reviews that we have left. I think willfully unexcavated yes Can you guess what it is that facebook not law that is true we should dip our toes into their considering them real sludge think. I've had one. Facebook review sent by my cousin alley. Yeah i i remember. That was a good one. But i'm talking about steam Of goals and yes the video game. The online downloadable video game purveyor steam has a lot of views on it. And i think the type of us on it just to open the colonel little bit are are not the way the way they are funny is not in the type of funny that we usually go forward with reviews i think is why we've we've avoided it but i i think that makes it perfect for the segment here which i'd like to call steaming pile of reviews i love it. So this week's this week's a steaming pile reviews features reviews for the game planet zoo. Oh i have a free. T shirt from those people often really comfy shout shadowed planning zou developers. Yeah it's like zoo tycoon. Make your own. Zeus So i'll just quickly fire off some reviews They don't do a star thing. They do a recommended not recommended. I'll just say that after and You have pop in anytime you want. I review for planning. Zou comes from silver. They have seven point six hours on record. They they're review reads zoo recommended. This is a review from user. Sweet tea fourteen they right. It's got animals it's got plants got rocks. It's got my attention recommended. This is from jess. Just twenty eight point three hours a almost a. That's over a day a full day of making up making a fucking zoo get it get it. Just she writes. I had to install thirty two heaters in my tundras zoo just to keep my twenty-seven lemurs from dying in the cold. Also the gaming's janitors because no one has any respect for my zoo. There's literally one hundred trash cans but my guest seem to prefer littering. Ten out of ten would recommend. I like that peek behind behind the zoo management their notes for hotta how to manage as we better than game lets her. She's helping out with some real world experience. She can put this team review on a resume. yeah with little cutesy girl. Cutesy fox girl anime avatar and everything. The whole this reviews from no cab. They have your impressed by twenty four forty eight point four hours on record straight up they write a built beautiful zoo have nice amazing looking animals. Lots of money and guests monkeys escaped. Critics not pleased bear escaped. I now have no money all at all experience recommended. I mean that will happen if you let the monkeys out. There's there's a couple of problems there. I mean maybe there are friendly. Maybe they're friendly monkeys but everyone wants to look in the cage for something and if there's no monkeys in there what kind of zoo is after. all what. if what if the harry potter riddle to get the hor- crux involved letting the monkeys escape. What if thousands only option each. Now harry you need to let the monkeys escape no matter how much i beg you not to let the monkeys escape. I need you to keep heated up to safety the war not just hating these ones picking bugs out of his hair attacking. Oh yeah monkeys. Love dumbledore hair. There's a lot to pick from. You know there is this next reviews from our bureau. He writes you've streamlined. Your staff workload customers are happy. Prophets are looking good. Animal welfare is top. Topnotch evenly inspectors. Pleased then one of your timber. Wolves teleport's red panda closure extremely accurate. Highly recommended wondering if that happened in. It's a bug in the game. More of arturo likes to play around by pausing and moving in animal. Yeah he may be his little fingers or or in that pie just to see what happens. The next one is objects they write. You buy monkey from customs back alley or black market. You make monkey happy by making fun. Cool habitat that matches. Monkey long list of means. Monkey do cruel things very fun to watch. Monkey do cool. Six people stare at monkey force them to learn great monkey fact with giant fees and speakers if people you money to stare at monkey had money garbage bins by big ass bears recommended. I like this is their. I'm gonna have to try and play this game and actually find out if there are multiple methods for acquiring your monkey. I believe there is like market monkeys. You've got your cultured and tagged monkeys. The reason the the moment of inspiration for the segment is My fiancee loves this game at her laptop as it slowly. You degraded as gaming. Laptop stu messy speed able to play it. And i'm her new gaming. Pc is coming soon and she's very excited to play it and she said how there's like a new content. Pack just was kind of curious. I looking at the steam page. And i was like these reviews are too funny not to share. So yes anyway. I think from listening to her play. There is multiple ways you can like adopt you. Can you know all that kind of stuff. Cool i also just really liked the way. That review was written nailed. It sleeps timers over. Fulltime is now you have be more than monkey. Oh man i just now. I just wanna watch dexter extras lab that shows as a tv host. Tv open clam bonk They made store like a surfer bro. Motorcycle bro at such joe. Their the avengers ship their lampooning vendors before like the marvel universe before excellent. Excellent movie even came out like our before superhero movies even began. Probably maybe even before what blade came out nerds. Some big volume organizers lab and they've made some great stuff yeah because they're they're passionate ways major glory right. Major could picture events Square rectangle as giant chin had major glory. They framed their segment is just sort of like a a roommate sitcom but enough Ninety s nerd reminiscent you can that elsewhere For the finale of our our little trip to planet zoo I have a review from jeff. Wise eight fourteen. Most hours on record listed here Eighty point eight hours holy cow on this game. A thirty point five at the time of review jeff rights to denote testino's hot pizza rolls recommended. I think jeff's brain is trying to order food or he thinks computers the microwaves because he's been playing for too long. Hey thirty. Two people found this review helpful. I would recommend tina's pizza rolls to sure sure would get extra crispy side of air. Fridays are big knowing about the great in offend friday. Don't burn your mouth remote in there. Don't burn your mouth do. Hey you got to review. Yeah yeah you know where. We haven't been dummy vail colorado. It's time for another winter. Themed review so. I have a google maps review from vail ski resort. Just breathe in the alpine air. Michelle fairbairn rights. i'm. I'm going to try and identify with whom michelle is person michelle wright's great conditions. Today all powder runs were fun and fluffy trees rasul pow pow. Dank food was delicious too weird vibes on the mountain too expensive on a whim. Upper-class culture for sure three stars man the vibes are very important to this young lady so much so much. So i mean the pow pow sounded immaculate. Dank pow pow. The top was absolutely tank. Absolutely shred -able and yet the vibes were so off that got three stars very must've been some very daughter vibes. That's what the trumark of a high level amateur skier slash snowboarder is. When you're cruising up the mountain before even get there you can tell with the vibe of it is you can. You're going up the ski lift. You can smell the vibes fucking mile away from the peach. The blight the bright glow of the fireplace from the lodge window to know how the vibes are you. Can you could smell sweet sweet liquor air. That things aren't good now. These are weird vibes. Weird hoity toity. Perhaps i i agree with michelle too expensive on a whim. I don't make the kind of money to just. I feel like going to the mountain today. Yeah especially if you're some sort of a snowboard bomb got you. Daddy's trust one only goes so far. Better yeah you don't wanna see other people like daddy when you're spending a daddy's money to go slow gordon. Even if the pow pow is extra day pop man that power pow man fi like pal so another language when the ball hit me. I would think when you search for something on google maps and you check through views and they give you little like little bubbles. You can click on at the top like these are the key. Phrases in people's reviews like pow pow pow pow fluffy who is going on at vail. The pow pow was fluffy. Dank powell vibes. that's basically the review piled was fluffy and dang vibes bad pile. Fives bad here stars. I i understand like that. Conveys the information just as well as service is like double speak a. That's double sent going on in the on top of the hill. Maybe they could use some you know. Give pass around the nineteen eighty-four maybe some lows those upper crusts would get with it a little bit ask. Yeah they bring on our guest pass for once. Jeez louise religious. She's low. We bring your bring a democratic socialist nephew up to the mountain every now and then would you please. He's he works hard. He works hard at us. Is frontline grocery store job. Let them let them. Enjoy the immaculate powell view. If you don't mind no no as irv you from amazon This is for the mega man. Mega buster gun. Replica by geek. Sick it's written by jonathan. Kerr sia the right pros. I liked the sounds and the size is okay. I like the elimination when you hold. The button cubs cheaply made plastic is a fingerprint magnet. I did not like the box guys. This is supposed to be a collector item. La boxes just simple. Stan is also disappointing. It looks like a jar when place vertically. Led looks cheaply made. The blue color does not match the color of the capcom official helmet. Yes nine now. Oh that different companies made the two items but hey they're both licensed by dot com. I think that the mega buster shape should beat more of an oval and actually looks like this replica. As a jar to install batteries. It's difficult to remove the screw. Watch the youtube reviews and they agree with this. The price should be like a thirty to forty dollars. Not ninety nine thirty to forty dollars. It would be fair but for eighty nine ninety nine. I would actually expect a real mega buster skip. This item for the price hopes review helps to stars. That review helps yeah. I don't know that i would need to review. Tell me that that's something. I wouldn't pay a hundred dollars right i. I'm a pretty big fan of mega. Ma'am you know. I i. I often do understand. How mega man doesn't get sort of incredible attention that someone like sonic does star treatment. For mega man. Yeah mega managed just as iconic has been gone just as long but yeah. I mean a review It's hidden. it's this. Consider this mega. Buster mega busted. I i don't want. I don't want the things not matching. I totally agree with that. I'm not gonna show up to a con to cost. Play as mega man. In buster doesn't matter my helmet you got an iv con- sending out the the pan tone color of the mega man blue and this is spoken by someone who had their friend makes them. Make a replica. Vega man buster a youtube video. Yeah of back in college mysterious. Nerdy friend made you do that. We won't say who but that videos out there. He was out there and it's still pretty fresh. Yeah i think that. I thought your your little take on the outfit that i sorta gave you a small group for foreign you. Execute was was super excellent. Thank you now. I think they know who are talking about. Yeah it was me. And i and me and matt made a little video included magmatic So i guess this just goes to show how far a. I'm a nerd for mega man. Rabbit hole goes. And i don't know yeah. I wouldn't pay eighty dollars for this. Little little excuse for flashlight. Also come on mom it gets fingerprints all over it. Come on collector's item. Explain it you. You shouldn't be touching it enough to get fingerprints is either display item or toy. Like you know it's hard to have it in between cheese. You hang on the fridge or you don't right to that. That have helmet. They are talking about not. I don't know if this is just like a. This is a rare item. So the prices jacked up situation that capcom where will helmet two hundred dollars. Dude holy cow. It's expensive out there to be a nerd. Ask better have like a sick ends up display or something on. Actually there's a there's a mega man pro pro man helmet. Will chris exclusive for only twelve dollars as a mega fan. I would just prefer that. Look cute on your desk. But i guess it's a certain type of person that needs to wear a mega man. Halbe it is as much as i've wax poetic about mega man's wonderful as good as sonic and you designed that helmet. Don't look good. Don't translate to realize to on a man he's probably got men to these the match. 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Lakers Dominate Rockets, LeBron Puts On A Show

Lakers Nation Podcast

52:48 min | 5 months ago

Lakers Dominate Rockets, LeBron Puts On A Show

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles. Yes, his the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane. Hello Lakers Nation. Welcome and my oh my the Lakers just pulled off a dominant win against the Houston Rockets 1:17 to 100 game. That was never really that close throughout most of the way. In fact that the Lakers really made the rockets look like they did not want to play basketball. Maybe there's some truth to that will get into it. I'm traveling for lakersnation.com do make sure you subscribe to the lady on YouTube channel and don't forget come join us over on the flick app. We're talking Lakers basketball. They're all day everyday. It's like a giant group chat with all Lakers fans. It's a ton of fun. We were talking wage at under and the game tonight. So come join us right over there. There will be a link in all of our YouTube video videos that you can find or you can just download the the flick app and search for Lakers Nation official page. An easy way to find it as well so welcome in everybody tonight as you can see, it's just me know Chris Masters know Gary Sheffield Junior this evening. So it's me and all of you really everybody coming in from you know from Facebook from Periscope welcome and we taking your questions and comments and be giving away some lakersnation.com license plate frames as well as we break down this game and we talked about what this game means moving forward like how good are the Lakers really was this game about the Lakers being really good was this about the Rockets being banned a little bit of both we're going to get into that. We should talk a little bit about all the key players of the night. We'll also talk about that ridiculous shot by LeBron James. I don't know about you but I've replayed it already about 20 times re-watched it because it was so amazing. We'll talk all about that one. You guys know what shot I'm talking about. So we're going to dive into all that but first quick shout out to our sponsor for the night and that is man wage. So manscape deals with men's below the waist grooming and they are wishing you a happy New Year. They're the best in men's below the waist grooming offering precision-engineered tools off Family Jewels and they're here to help you ring in the new year with the right tools for the job. They do have the lawn mower 3.0 which is waterproof and skin safe. This trimmer will reduce box to your two best friends. The third generation trimmer even has a light to shine which is incredibly handy and you can get 20% off and free shipping with the code Nation twenty of manscaped.com 20% off and free shipping. Just go to manscaped.com again use that code Nation twenty. We always appreciate it when you guys support the companies that help support us. All right, I can already see the questions and comments flying in hear people mentioning that they Lakers are unbeaten. Yeah, right. Now the Lakers are unbeaten on the road. They have not lost their better away from Staples Center than they are dead. There which is weird. Usually not the case but given the error that we're living in right now with no fans in the buildings that has been a factor. It's something we're seeing around the NBA. We're Road teams are having a lot more success than they normally would because the home team doesn't have that advantage of having the crowd in the building Houston does have a little bit of a crowd and so I think that's a bit of a factor but if anything it's like it picked up the Lakers. It's like having that crap. They're just gave them that much more energy, even though it wasn't their crowd even though it was a raucous crowd. You've got some players who will play if there's a road crowd that is particularly loud got some players who get motivated by that who play to shut up the crowd who played it to silence them and that may be a factor here with the Lakers but regardless dominant dominant performance check all the boxes. And here's the thing. I wasn't sure what kind of energy we were going to see out of the Lakers tonight what kind of effort because they blew the Lakers the Rockets out two nights ago, they blew them out and now the Lakers have been in huge dog. For a couple more days. It's hard to beat a team twice on their home floor two games in a row like that. That's difficult. And so you weren't sure are the Lakers going to come out with that same kind of energy that same kind of effort or was it more of a one-game thing. Everybody's fired up because Anthony Davis was mad after the loss to the Spurs. It was that what's going on and then we're going to kind of go back to this low-energy Lakers was not the case wage not the case at all. The Lakers went out and got after somebody mentioned Justin hard for Danny Green with 29 Points tonight. Yeah. Well talk about Danny Green in just a bit. But the Lakers got after the Houston Rockets and I'll tell you what, we've been criticizing the Lakers for a while now. Okay, and I guess it has it really been that long but it feels like a while what eleven games twelve games that we've been talking about how the Lakers defense just doesn't look the same. Yeah, these last two games that has these last two games. The Lakers defense has looked like last year's defense and I'm talking about not just the way they played not just the schemes that they play in I'm talking about the urgency the way they are closing out to the basketball right now is tremendous. And yes, there was an absolute led up during this game, but that's because they were up by twenty-five Thirty points. And so of course, they're going to take their foot off the gas at that point, but when the game was in any sort of question and even for a good chunk of when it wasn't the Lakers were flying all over the court kcp jumping into passing Lanes Alex Caruso doing the same thing putting pressure forcing extra passes out of Houston Rockets and then forcing turnovers, and it was great to see just beautiful defense by the Lakers held the Rockets to 39% shooting from the field 30% shooting from 3. It's you know, they only had 13 turnovers, but the Lakers got a lot more stops than that. They really did the Lakers got a lot of just just dominate them. Questions on the defensive end of the floor where the Rockets just didn't look like they could keep up. I actually I've got them at fifteen now $15 status of updated 15 turnovers and the Lakers scored 27 points off of those turnovers great to see finally get getting those turnovers and forcing the other team to deal with their transition play and that's that is the path of success for the Lakers if they can get defensive stops and get out in transition there really tough to beat except for maybe tonight. I don't know what the deal was the Lakers gotten transitioned and then blue dunks, right but three dunks they missed tonight is that they ended up with three missed dunks. In fact, they were Montrezl Harrell gave the rim a nice long stare down. It was like the death stare at The Rim because he couldn't believe it that he had missed the dog. Maybe they they raised that rim or something like that something was going on there, but the Lakers actually missed dunks fortunately. It didn't really matter. All right. I want to get into some of your questions and comments and give you guys a lakersnation.com license plate frame. All right, let's start here. So Juan Andrade so from Facebook one go and shoot me your information. Send me a DM right here on Twitter. Send me forever underscore Lane. Send me your name mailing address email address. I'll shoot you a lakersnation.com license plate frame said, what's up with this tht rumor? Can you talk about that? Yeah, let's do it. Let's talk to you HD. I do want to focus a lot on the game, but I know everybody's going to have a lot of questions about what's going on here. So Sean devaney of heavy.com reported yesterday that there are a few teams that are interested in Talen horton-tucker that would like to steal him away the Lakers. I believe it was Dallas and OKC and I'd have to go and and look and see who else it was. I've got it right here. Let me see. Oh the Knicks Cavs and Mavericks. I was off on OKC game 6 Cavs and Mavericks are the three teams that Sean devaney reported would have interest in trying to pry THD away from the Lakers. However, I put out a video earlier today with Eric Pincus from Bleacher Report and basketball in Ciders where he basically explained terms of salary cap, it's not possible. If the Lakers want to keep THD, they can keep him the rules are set up. That way. He would fall under What's called the Gilbert Arenas provision. What happened was back in the day Gilbert Arenas was the second round pick blew up for the Golden State Warriors and because of the way the cap works out the Warriors could not match the offer that the Washington Wizards gave Arenas, they couldn't match it. And so they had to watch Arena go away for nothing and that meant the warriors were then penalized for drafting well and drafting a good player because they watched them leave and the NBA recognize. Hey, that's not right. That's not how this should work. And so they changed the rule. So now the way it works is the amount that an opposing team can actually offer THD is limited or the first couple of years to the mid-level exception which means the Lakers would be able to match that. So is it something they're likely going to do is a team going to Max tht well. It depends on what he does from here out. Not have a good night tonight by the way bad night tonight, but was really good in the last game, but he's twenty it's it's what happens but let's say A team out there really really really likes THD and puts out a big big offer the Lakers suck at it and I would imagine they will assuming he continues to play well and wants to stay and and all of that so don't worry if the Lakers want to keep tht they can that that's all that matters them to keep them. If they want you where there could be a little bit of a domino effect is in terms of the Lakers overall cap because you look at the added kcp gave him a New Deal New Deal to Kyle kuzma. They're going to have to bring back Alex Caruso's on the final year of his contract Dennis Schroder might be getting an extension in a month. And that's going to add up plus you throw in Anthony Davis LeBron James. He's off contracts. Yeah, it adds up quick. And so at some point the Lakers are going to have to make some tough choices because they're going to be into the tax and and that'll be something to consider. But if they look at the h t and they see, okay. Kid is really something this kid can be a star. This could be an All-Star level player for us. They're not letting them walk away. So first and foremost, that's that's important. There may be a domino effect a little down the line in terms of how much money they can spend where they have to make some tough choices elsewhere. But if they decide THD, this is a guy we want we want this guy long-term. They are protected by the CBA so that they can keep him. Okay, so hopefully that that helps you guys out a little bit there with that one. So I am going to dig into our through this out on on our flick at by the way guys if you're not on the flick app yet. Make sure you are I flew it out through it out there on flick to go to ask a questions here for this show. So let's go. Let's go with this one. I like this one cyberghost psyops from which is great name from flake says there's a lot of hate for Kyle kuzma. Is it warranted or just an over-reaction by the way guys on the flick app, you can also make predictions for each game that you can win cash prizes for like the cash price for tonight was $2,000 $2,000. If you made the correct predictions odds for tonight's game and you can do that before every single game. It's a lot of fun. So make sure you guys come join us over there. I'm talking with everybody all day pretty much. It's like a giant group text with all Lakers fans. But so he's asking there's a lot of hate for Kyle kuzma. Is that warranted or not? Well, here's the thing with Kyle kuzma. We were probably guilty of over-hyping him. I think that's what happened. We probably hyped up cuz my little too much and thought happened was the expectations for kuzma just went through the roof and part of that was Kawhi part of that was Kawhi Leonard last offseason when Kauai said no to the Lakers and he joined the Clippers the The reaction was okay. Then the Lakers third guy is going to be Kyle kuzma because that that's the way we've been trained to think for a while was we don't have Superstar pairings. We weren't ready for this this modern version of the NBA is all about Superstar pairings Kauai MPG Cady and Kyrie wherever Kyrie is okay LeBron and in a d these Duos, right and that's what we're seeing. But at the time when when Kauai said no to the Lakers the question was oh, well who's their third star? You got to have a third star? Who's that can be and everybody turned to look to Kyle kuzma. And so we and I'm guilty of this too. We set the expectation super high and then when he didn't meet those and remember, he was injured that offseason didn't get to train didn't even start the season didn't start. You've missed the first few games of the season because he was still hurt and so he got off to a slow start and people were really getting on his case because of that to be fair kuzma has been a bit of a rollercoaster he's dead. Up and down up and down some games. They'll be great other games not so much. I think defensively and a lot of the ways that we don't notice so much. He's improved his softball defense has gotten a lot better. His communication has got better shot selection has got better even though there's still some issues there at times kuzma has improved as a player but the reason why he gets all his hate is because we expect him to be up here and that just might not be who he is dead. And that's okay. It's not bad having a guy like how kuzma on your bench that you know in a pinch can fill in for a starter and you're going to be just fine. That's a luxury that I don't know if any NBA team can handle an injury or loss to a starter an on a Dean on LeBron starter the way the Lakers. Can you look at the depth? They've got they missed kcp kept on going lost Alex Caruso key rotation player kept on going no problems. They can suffer these losses to their rotation and plug guys in and just keep rolling and some of that is indeed credit to Kyle kuzma. So is the hate song Him warranted. No, it's not and that's not to say that he's lived up or expectations. That's not to say he's the perfect player. That's not to say everybody should be so pumped up about Kyle kuzma's future wage. Now. He's not the breakout star but he's also not a bad player. He's a solid role player on this Lakers team with the potential to be a bit more than that with the potential be better with the wage bility to step in for a starter on any given night and put up 20 points. There's only so many guys in the league that can do that. So Crews might get hated on for not being the guy that's up here. When I think we need to recognize him a little bit more than being the guy that's that's here at the very least. Okay? All right. All right, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Somebody says Talen Horton Tucker played like his age to night. Yeah, he did. He did. There's no question. There's no this was not a good and thing is it didn't cost taxpayers. That's the brilliant part of this right Taylor Horton Tucker 148 shooting for turnovers 5017 minutes. He had his best performance of the season last game this month in his worst bad decision-making wasn't making shots. He did not look good at all was terrible again. This may have been his worst performance package the Lakers won by 17. It didn't matter. How incredible is that how big of a luxury is that for most teams? If you get their young up-and-coming guy puts in a performance like tht did tonight they're losing they're losing that game. The Lakers have the luxury of bringing tht along letting him play through mistakes wage. Letting them focus on other areas of his game, but I'm scoring he doesn't need to do all the scoring the Lakers have plenty of other guys who can do it. That's so beneficial to the Lakers and to tht THD has the ability to step in learn from his mistakes get better the liquid convention if they need be a Frank Vogel needs to send a message. He's not like this key piece to the rotation where suddenly All Is Lost if he's out. There's a lot of teams when they get a young player with the talent of Talen horton-tucker. They need that guy to come in right now and save us put the ball in the basket and save us if this was the Lakers for years ago. Talen Horton Tucker would be playing thirty minutes a night plus There wouldn't be another option. You would need him to do that. But thank goodness. That's not where the Lakers are right now so you can take this game where a twenty year old kid comes out and has a really bad night after just having a phenomenal night and you can say okay, let's take this and let's make a teaching moment. Let's learn from it and let's get better from here. And seven Hotel car doesn't have to walk around feeling like he just lost the game for the team because he had a rough night instead. He knows that he had a tough one and he's going to grow and he's going to get better but the team just cruised anyway, that's awesome. That's fantastic though. The Lakers have the luxury of developing a young player while winning games. How many teams can do that how many teams can develop a young player and win very very few? That's why you see so many teams tank when they go into a rebuild young players don't win games typically. The Lakers can do both. So I look at a game like this and I say yeah, it's UHD was terrible. Let's just call it what it is. He had a really bad night. He was great a couple of nights ago tonight. He was bad, but it really but the fact still 1 by 17 just underscores. What a great position. The Lakers are in and Taylor Horton Tucker. Isn't this was one game big picture that's amazing that you can have that guy play so poorly and web page eighteen. All right, let's get into this. Let's just talk about it that LeBron shot. Did it was anyone upset by that shot by the way, did anybody think that was a little bit too much wage showboating I could see that that response coming from non Lakers fans. I saw that a little bit on Twitter and and I get that but it was such a fun moment and this is what the NBA is all know. It's not about show boating but to mount those fun moments those moments that you'll never forget. And that's one of them LeBron just provided one. Like when we think back on this season like five years from now, we're going to remember that play right? We're off Braun shoots the three from the corner doesn't even watch to see if it goes in turns and looks at his bench a goes in and the bench just erupts and they're also excited. I think it's it's more than just that shot. That play was amazing. Right just taking that shot just the guts to do that is incredible most played obviously thousand isn't in danger of getting benched or anything but most players would be fearing for their their spot in the rotation for their minutes getting cut if they did something like that but LeBron doesn't have to worry about that. It was a fun moment and I think it's important that sports are fun. But basketball is fun that we enjoy it. And then this is going to something that's going to get us all buzzing and talking about it, but it was also so much fun for the bench and for the guys on the team and so that's just that's team-building. That's camaraderie. Seeing how excited all the guys were for LeBron James and it's easy to just Overlook that and say all the brunch is showboating or whatever that's fine. You can a certainly make that argument but seeing the guys bond in moments like that is great. And those are the kinds of things that that matter that are going to matter as the season goes on. Look how much dead Mystery mattered last season the Lakers won not just because they have LeBron in eighty-nine certainly didn't hurt but that's not exactly the reason why they won they won because their chemistry was better than anybody else's they went into the bubble walk into a really tough environment and the Clippers fell to Pieces. They didn't like playing together. You could see it. There was just yeah clip they couldn't figure things out and we saw that happen to a few teams where they just under those circumstances. They kind of fell apart. The Lakers flourished the Lakers started switching up their lineups Alex Cross. So you're in the G League last year. Hey, you're starting pivotal Game 6 of the NBA Finals go Frank vogel's toying around with with lineups and everything and he knows he can do it. Nobody's going to get upset about being benched about going to the bench so that a Caruso can go in or so that Markieff Morris can go in everybody's going to be fine with it because they had that kind of chemistry and I feel like this Lakers team this year is building that wage. It wasn't there right out of the gate, but it's coming you can kind of feel it when you watch the way these guys interact with each other. They're excited. They're enjoying hanging around each other. So I think bigger picture that LeBron play it's amazing. It's going to be on the highlight reels forever and it's and it's one that we will never forget but a little bit deeper than that. It's a play that can help bring a team together that can give them that combined celebratory moment that that just helps with your team building. I'm not saying this is like the moment we're suddenly they they just rally around each other. This isn't the circle your wagons moment. Like we saw last year in Chicago at the beginning of the Season where the Lakers had to really rely on each other or then, of course, I can't believe we're coming up on the anniversary for this already January 26th. The last year losing Kobe Bryant the players really had to lean on each other off that this isn't that moment but it's still it is a a team-building moment to see a play like that occur. So I think it was bigger than just the play itself. Will LeBron finally be the regular season MVP? I think he could be I think as a g said can LeBron win MVP wage never going to say he can't never going to say you can't now our projection going into the season was well LeBron. He's probably going to take his foot off the gas a little bit. He's probably not going to be going a hundred miles an hour the entire season or specially with the quick turnaround quick turnaround 72 games crammed into a tighter time. Yeah, LeBron's MVP possibilities. Probably aren't the same as they were last season. In fact, NBA general managers were pulled about this and LeBron didn't get any votes. Yeah, no no votes for LeBron to win MVP none. Luca got them Jonas got them LeBron. Not so much off. Nikola jokic got votes. LeBron did not and again, that's not because they think LeBron is a bad player. That's because they think LeBron's probably going to rest a bit this season and Thursday. Is still be coming, but if you look at what he's doing right now, and the way the Lakers are playing. My God, I mean was he tonight? 10:00 for 20 shooting 449 from Deep eight boards five assists one block 26 points plus 15 on the night and he was messing around Palm of the night. Like let's be honest LeBron was messing around most of the night. Once the Lakers got off to a big lead. LeBron was just just having a good time and he's dominant dominant dominant dominant. He's amazing. I would not put it past him to win MVP this season. I think he had a strong are stronger argument that people gave him credit for last season. He could very well win at this season. Let's talk to Anthony Dave quick 19 points ten boards one from one from Deep seven of eight shooting didn't have to score. It's out of points. but the big number five blocks It's like a decent finally said okay enough with slowly ramping things up. I'm just going to be the defensive monster. Everybody knew me as last season and at the top of the show, I talked a little bit about how good the Lakers closed for. How good their rotations were through the open man and how big of a difference that made and a lot of that would stand by Anthony Davis you watch the way he rotates comes flying out and just he just blocks out the Sun comes. In fact, there's just no shot. There's no shot to be taken right when everybody thinks oh, I've got to open. Oh what just happened. It's like an eclipse know it was Anthony Davis. It was flying in. I don't know where it just shuts down everything the one kid from Houston tried to dunk on him trying to dunk on him. Don't do that. Don't try to dunk on Anthony Davis. He got it rejected in his face. He he's like when he does this on the defensive end the Lakers about Unstoppable and I said this in my pregame video I said if the Lakers played defense like they did in the first game against Houston thousands nothing Houston can do it's over the game is over before it even starts. Because Houston can't do anything with that. And so I guess that leads us to the question are the Lakers this good or is Houston this bad and I think it's a little bit of both. I think we have seen the Lakers flip the switch. I think we've seen a Lakers team that was really mad after the loss to the Spurs against Chicago. They tried to kind of get things going but then Anthony Davis came back and that turned things around a lot. I also think she has just just matches up terribly with them the way they're constructed right now and Houston came into this game knowing they would lose. That's really what it looked like from the opening tip. Houston's body language was off. They look like they wanted zero to do with the Lakers like they did not want to be out on that floor at all. I don't know if that's a James Harden trade thing. I don't know. I'm sure that's weighing over the franchise. That's that that's not an easy thing to go through for the organization's not a thing for the other players on the team rumors flying and things like that and then people have got to wonder, you know, well if Harden gets traded am I going to get wrapped into a trade in the next thing, you know, I'm being sent somewhere else or I'm being said she third team is part of a deal, you know, that kind of stuff can certainly disrupt team but the Rockets do not look like they enjoy playing basketball right now and part of that may very well just be they don't enjoy playing against the Lakers. There's no six wins in a row when you go back to the playoffs to for the Lakers over the Rockets. I feel like the Lakers not only are the Rockets going into these games knowing that they're going to lose its like they're traumatized like the Rockets are going into this just going please just get this game done as quickly as we can. And the Lakers came out with energy and made sure that if the Rockets had any little hints of competing with them, they snuffed that out like instantly just jumped all over them and said you're not going to come close tonight. You guys can go through the motions for the game. And and this is done. It's the Lakers are really really good. The Lakers are really good when they want to be but what we saw tonight. This level of dominance is a combination of the Lakers being really good and the way it's being not good not enjoying playing basketball together. They don't look happy out there on the floor and I think there's a little bit of of like trauma there were Rockets are probably still having nightmares about the Lakers after what happened in the NBA Playoffs where the Rockets came out and they won game 1 in the second round and they were feeling their oats. And yes, this is going to happen small ball might sneak Tony seven seconds or less we're going to win. Yeah, and then the Lakers said, oh now we were just playing around in in game one. Let's switch up our rotations Markieff Morris is going to start and we're going towards you. I think the Rockets still haven't recovered mentally from that and I know there's new players on this team, but still you can just it's hanging over them. So I think you have all those things combined that created this much dominance, but I do think the Lakers are very very very good, especially when they lock in defensively. I'm not going to expect them to lock in defensively like they did tonight and every single game but tonight they did em they do they are scary. Scary scary scary. Jimmy Jones from Facebook says y'all do know kuzma is shooting 38% from 3 going to this game. That's pretty good. Why is everyone on his case again? I think it's just an issue where people are are looking at Kyle kuzma and the expectations are super high. I haven't looked into a stats in a bit to see exactly what percentage he shot one for 2 from 3 tonight. So let me take a look and see if he's really a 38-page. That's what we were asking last year. That's all we were asking for was for kuzma to increase the 3-point percentage and you are right 38% and after tonight stats kick in. I'll probably pick up a little bit more cuz it was one fifty percent tonight. I mean that's that was the main complaint last season and the season before about kuzma was that he didn't shoot well enough from 3. He was in the low 30s and we said that wasn't acceptable need him what 36 37% at least he's a 38% might even be thirty-nine after tonight. That's good. That's solid you'll certainly take that kind of shooting percentage. But again, I understand the consistency can be a little bit of a problem. All right guys, we are going to get into the Master Lock of the night in just a moment here. I've seeing all kinds of comments coming in here about Kyle kuzma. I know for whatever reason Kyle kuzma is just super polarizing. So people are mentioning Danny Green I'm saying his name pop up ads on my phone. Apparently. Danny Green had a night. I was watching the Lakers game. But yeah, Danny Green on the night. He took 21 threes. Danny Green. Did I ask you one sometimes teams going game? But don't shoot 21°. He took 21-3 as himself. He played fifty minutes 9 for 21 from Deep ten boards, six assists two steals to blocks if you plugged in Danny Green to your fantasy lineup tonight, congratulations, cuz cuz I don't think we're going to see this again from Danny Green almost thirty points good for him. Great for him. Let me see that Danny. Danny Green is a good guy. That being said I am doing that shooter trade every single day. If you can get dentist router for Danny Green, but tonight was an amazing night of him. And so congrats Danny Green loved it loved to see that love to see that. Somebody mentioned Danny Green so like 33% on a year. Yeah. Well that's popped that's going to come up after tonight certainly. But yeah, there's this is one night. I'm still taking that shooter trade in a Time. Somebody asking is Wes Matthews injured. Yeah. So what's going on with Wesley Matthews is he has a sore achilles? And so the Lakers are saying look a killie's West Matthews already torn Achilles earlier in his career. Let's not mess with it. Play it safe and we'll hold them out. That's what's happening and you can't blame them at all. They didn't need them. That's the benefit of having such a deep team. You can say, you know, it was rested rested chill get to 100% then come back. Same thing with Dudley Dudley has I believe a sore knee. So yeah, he's not out there right now. So red cloud from YouTube said Houston is a wounded animal and that's how you dispose them quick painless and easy, but it's in no way an indicator of that the Lakers Defensive Juggernaut is back I disagree because I'm not looking at did the shot go in or not. A lot of times we get caught up with that we caught up in did that shot go in order to not go in and if we see a shot not going then we say, oh that must be good defense. If a shot goes in we say, oh that's bad defense. What's going on there? I'm looking at the energy the Lakers played defense with when the job was when the the job wasn't done when it was still close when there was a question about who's going to win the game. The Lakers were really really closing out and it was Closeouts that they weren't making earlier in the season where they would close out to the wrong map tonight. We didn't see that as much there were a few times they were perfect. There were still some mistakes but the energy and the effort was there that what's what is is what often differentiates? Teach them from their opponent is how much effort they put into getting to those Closeouts stopping shots contesting shots if they need to and that's what we saw. So I think that even though yes, this rock team is not good and yes other teams will play better against them. I think this represented a significant step forward in terms of their defense. Now we can say maybe they're not all the way back to where they were last year, but the energy was very different. If you watch this game tonight, you watched the previous game against the rockets and then you go and you watch game three of the season and you compare those to the energy was very very different. And so that's what I'm watching. That's where I'm seeing. The Lakers defense really returned to form. It doesn't mean they're not going to get beat. That doesn't mean there's not gonna be nice where they don't have it that's certainly coming that's going to happen. That's just it's what happens in an NBA season, but I'm comforted by the fact that they've did this that they had this energy level that we know now they can get to this place again. That's that's why I'm so excited about the Lakers defense and why I am So encouraged by what we've seen that doesn't mean the Rockets are a great team. It's not like they went out here and torch the the Clippers two games in a row or the Sixers are you know, the top teams in the NBA two games in a row, they didn't do that. That's not what happened. But the energy on the defensive end of the floor was very very encouraging. All right, let's do it. Let's do the Master Lock of the night. I think it's time. Here. We go off off and all right the Master Lock of the night for tonight. I'm seeing in the comments a lot of people saying master lock tht it was a bad game for tht but it was a worst game. For a Houston that's right. The Houston Rockets all of them are getting the master log tonight the entire team why because I talked about it. It it just that the Lakers wanted that they made it look like the Rockets did not want to be there. They made them tap out. They made them quit the Houston Rockets looked like they came into this game knowing that they could not beat this Lakers team and then the Lakers knowing that they had that edge stepped up and finished off the Rockets. They didn't let them stick around which we've seen them do in some games. They didn't play down to their level. They came in and they took them out immediately. It was a great performance and the Lakers in six straight games beat the Rockets twice on their home floor and left. No question. No question that this Rockets team is nowhere near the same level of the Los Angeles Lakers and so because of that, I mean look at Grizzlies played the Lakers closer than Houston just did. And I attribute a lot of that to the Lakers own energy and their own attention to detail in this series. And so the Lakers put the master lock on the Houston Rockets. They're going to be having nightmares about the Lakers four months four months. They're going to be having nightmares about what the Lakers defense has done to them in these past year games that's going to happen. If that's not a Master Lock. I don't know what is off Master Lock of the night to the Houston Rockets all of them. All right question you're coming in from the flick app from let's see. This one is coming in out from I can't see the name on this but it says not really Lakers related. But do you think the league shutting down again due to covet is a possibility? Okay, that's another one of my topics for the night. So we do need to get into this home. What's happening. We're seeing games every day now get postponed. I don't want to say canceled postponed. We're seeing this happen. And that's certainly worrisome and there's been some talk. I've seen some people saying well with the NBA needs to do is hit the pause button just pause for a week for a week. Let this all kind of came through and then come back and try again and the NBA is saying no that's not what we want to do. So this can definitely change but as of this moment, that's not the path that the NBA wants to take a name is some rationale behind that it's not just hey, we don't want to mess up our schedule there's more to it than that. So what's happening is we're seeing the cases pop up from the holidays from Christmas and New Year's the N. We the NBA knew this was coming. They knew January was going to be tough. Not only do you have winter people staying inside more therefore virus is transmitted easier and you know, it's why it's flew off also, right. That's why that happens. But the NBA also knew that like people are going to be visiting family and that just means we're going to see this pop up more. But right now they're operating under the idea on this is according to Adrian wojnarowski of ESPN that shutting down. The season would actually be worse in terms of transmitting Cove it it would be worse and they're the reason why is there thinking gosh, you know if we shut everything down and we send all these guys home are they really just going to sit at home? Are they really going to sit at home? Or are they going to hang out with friends? Are they going to hang out with family? Is that going to create even more issues and then when they come back they've been exposed to all these other people. If they're staying with their team, then we have some measure of control. We know. Hey, this is where James Harden is that well, sometimes you don't know where he's at. But this is where this place at. This is who he's been around you can trace contact you have a little bit more control of the situation. So what the NBA is opting to do instead is to vastly increase how strict their rules are. It's basically took shelter in place almost. I'm in terms of their their rules now and hope that that can sort of help weather the storm and that things will normalize a little bit once we get a couple of weeks away from where we are right now again, right now, we're seeing all the positive cases from the holidays. That's what we're getting right now. And so the hope is that now the players are kind of back in the NBA system and and hopefully they're being safe and doing what they're supposed to be doing that will cause this to tail off in the next few weeks. So that's what the NBA is hoping for an obviously. There's a huge advantage to not shutting down the season not disrupting your schedule. Terms of money ratings all that kind of stuff. That's that's all important. But the number one thing is they're thinking that it would actually be worse to pause things because they would then have let's just roll over the situation. So that's we're at right now. I don't because of that. I don't think the NBA is going to pause the season now if it gets really bad, they may have no choice that's possible. Okay, and we never know. Changing every day. But for right now the goal of the NBA is not to shut things down. That's that's where things stand at this moment. All right Lakers Dodgers from YouTube said hey Trevor. I thought these two games were just statement games to show the league how much better they are than everyone else in the league. Do you expect this energy level every night? I don't I don't either I don't either nor nor I think should we wear is somebody's asking where's Chris Masters? Chris is actually studying for a test at this moment. He said he will be on tomorrow night's show though. So best of luck on your test crisp. Yeah kill it man, but he is he is busy studying right now for a test. He only got to even watch just a fraction of the game. He's getting ready for a test. Yes to take tomorrow. So odd best of luck. Chris go get a buddy and then he'll be on the show tomorrow the energy level for the Lakers know and I don't think you wanted to I don't think you want the Lakers playing at this energy level through the whole season. Cuz what happens is by the end of the season, you're going to be pretty burnt out if you do this every single night for 72 Game season. Yeah, that's that is not think about the Warriors right at the record for games won in a single season and they put everything into that then they got into playoffs what happened they wound up blowing a 3-1 series lead in the NBA Finals. They ran out of gas. They had nothing left go. Come playoff time. That's not what the Lakers want to do. They want to defend their championship and win back-to-back. That means you're probably going to have some low energy games at some point. You can't expect this energy level but it's very encouraging that they can kick things up to this level when need be when they really want you they can kick it up and really get into a team. Let's go with this one the new Centrist from the flick app said could Dennis be Unleashed running the second line up. So we've talked about that a little bit Dennis Schroder. Should he be coming off the bench? I don't mind him with the starters. And here's why his defense has been a lot better than I expected. The two big question marks about schruder where his shooting in his defense and his shooting was hot start season. I'm a little bit cold since and so maybe you can say okay, there's a little bit of regression here with the shooting that's certainly Fair although 649 tonight and to 4243 that definitely helps him but the defense has been pretty consistent. He's been good defensively in a couple of blocks actually in the last game where he came in from the weakside came flying in a blocked a shot at six one. That's that's pretty pretty nice. He's been very good. They're young and so because he's held his own on defense and because he's done what he needs to do on the offensive end. I'm okay with starting him and I think Vogel has done a nice job staggering the minutes to where you don't have to have him running the second page. You can get away without doing that heading into the season. We thought okay, LeBron's a ball-handler Shooters ball-handler can anybody else really do it? If you start them side-by-side who's the ball-handler for the package unit? Well what's happened is we haven't seen quite as much of a delineation like a here's your starting five. Here's your bench five and these five play together and these five play together and they don't mix and match. We haven't seen that so much. We've seen a lot of mixing and matching. So even though Vogel is starting shooter and LeBron he can still rotate things so that you've got one of them on the floor for pretty much the entire game and so because of those things because she has done well defensively because he shot. Well, it feels like he's getting into a rhythm with the offense. He had a really nice backdoor cut for a bucket from from Marcus. All Marcus all with a beautiful pass out of the high post. It feels like he's starting to get really gained some comfort there with the starting unit. So I would leave him for all of those reasons. I think he sticks they're in the starting five and I've got I've got no problem with that. He's been good. All right, guys, we're going to do we're going to do a couple more. Then we're going to call it then. We'll we'll call it anything the Lakers do play tomorrow tomorrow night the Lakers play the the Oklahoma City Thunder. So another road game back to back on a garment from Facebook said 11 points 11 rebounds coups is doing exactly what he needs to do. He just needs to stop jumping at Shooters on Closeouts. Yeah tonight was not a thought for kuzma. 446 shooting 11 boards 11 11 points, you'll take that some mistakes. Sometimes Christmas mistakes can be glaring like they really stand out and so then it can lead us to think you gave us game than they actually did but I thought he was solid tonight not great, but solid Montrezl Harrell same thing solid night two blocks, by the way for Trey's fourteen points for boards. I like this song. I really like this. I put out a video on this earlier. I really like the Montrezl Harrell feels like the Lakers are kind of unleashing him. Like they're giving him that freedom to do things on the offensive end that other teams didn't let him do and I'm specifically talking about the mid-range jumper. They're also utilizing him as opposed to playing a bit more. Because they're finding that he can shoot those. He can hit these these turnarounds and he's quick enough to beat his man. I mean he made John Wall look, like he was standing still in the previous game. Not that he's faster than John Wall, but he's quick off and I think they're utilizing Trends in ways that previous teams just more comfortable with and that is winning some points with Montrezl Harrell. He's looking at this to say it. Ok, previous teams told me I don't do anything. All we want you to do is dunk the ball set screens and that's it and rebound like crazy. Don't try to do it. Don't you dribble them? If no one is near you don't you dare shoot it pass that ball if you were standing fifteen feet away. You passed that ball. We're not giving you the ball in the post. You're not going to do any post moves on anybody home. And now he comes to the Lakers and the Lakers say, you know what we trust you. We believe in you we believe in your skill-set. We think that you've got more to offer than what you showed last year with the Clippers and you were Sixth Man of the Year off. We think there is more to your game. Your game is not as limited as people think. Montrezl Harrell you thinking? Wow, this this team Believes In Me he's talked about this in his comments multiple times now after games. About how now he's finally getting to show his game that he's got even more to his game that he hasn't quite gotten to show yet. And that's really cool. That's great to see it's it's great for treze. It's great for him to be able to kind of took his wings a little bit but it's also great for the Lakers organization cuz I'll tell you what other players around the NBA right now that are in systems where they're being forced a square peg into a round hole where they're being told. Okay, you are only doing this this and this and that's it. Don't do anything else, right? Because that's what our system wants you to do. And those players are feeling like but wait I can do all these things and they look they see Montrezl Harrell. I think oh man must be nice to be a Laker. And it's not just hey their championship team. It's look at the way they treat their players. Look at the way. They partner with their players. Look at the way. They get the best out of their players. They were comments earlier today about Frank Vogel be the best Communicator that a players ever had. This is an organization. This is a franchise right now. That is very very attractive. And that's going to matter. It already has mattered right Marcus all came here Wesley. Matthews came here right back up all these guys in free agency Montrezl Harrell wanted to come here at a discount. He had a bigger offer with the Charlotte Hornets. He said no, I'm going to take less money to play for the Lakers this matters your reputation around the league matters when it comes time for the Bayou Market and the March when the buyout Market starts to pick up players who get bought out the Lakers have a roster spot. You better believe or the Lakers are going to be at the top of the list players are going to want to come to the Lakers because of the way they're treating their players because of things like what's happening with Montrezl Harrell cuz the opportunities that he's getting even though he's shooting less tries to still left with the feeling like the franchise believes in him and Trust in his talent. That's really cool to see very cool to see. Chris Collins said do you see Harold continuing to flourish? Yeah. Yeah, I think here's the difference. So Montrezl Harrell, the first few games first few weeks really he was off defensively off his rotations were off. He looked like he didn't quite understand where he needed to be in pick-and-roll. That's why the Blazers just torched him torched him. They targeted him every single time in the fourth quarter and just live off cuz her wasn't quite sure exactly where he was supposed to be in coverage. I think we've seen less of that. There were a number of times tonight where I'm watching the game and I'm looking what's happening off all and I'm watching trades and I watched the one that handles the Pick and Pull and I went yes that was it right there. He just did exactly when he needed to do was a nice defense. He started to figure out that part of his game and that is bleeding into the other areas now suddenly, he's got all this confidence. Hey, look, I just snuffed out a pick-and-roll. Just stop that from happening. I'm going to come down on the other end off. Oh, I got the ball a 15-footer. This team wants me to shoot that. I'm going to shoot it. I'm going to hit it. He's making those shots. He's hitting those and he's not he's not a sniper. He's not stepping out to the three-point line. That's not happening. But if you suddenly have to guard Montrezl Harrell from fifteen feet out. He's got a Defender up close on home. That just makes it that much easier for him to get to the rim because now he's shown the ability to shoot a little bit because the Lakers said we trust you, we believe you can make this shot. So I do think trust is going to continue to improve I do think his fit is going to get better and better there's going to be nights where he looks under sized where that's an issue. There's no getting around and he's 6767 Center Page. There's going to be nights where that's an issue that's coming just be prepared for it. But overall Montrezl Harrell has been getting better and better and better and looking more and more comfortable and he looks like he's really enjoy his time with the Lakers and that's what I really like. Ricky tan with a great observation said Treads looks like a guy who has a lot more minutes of energy left at the end of the game. Yeah, which is great. Which is great and tries is one of those guys that just keeps it going right he could run all day. Somebody mentioning on YouTube Alan has been talking about beating you down on Echo Park every night saying it after every Lakers win. I don't know if we're starting to start something here with with my name is Ellen and I will get a game going. I don't know if he's actually saying that stuff is if he is that's that's great. I love it Alan. I I'm sure at some point when it's safe. Maybe maybe we'll put a game together. It will be the ugliest game. You've ever seen em, I don't think this is something people actually want to watch cuz it's not going to be pretty but maybe if enough people want that we'll have to figure it out and get that done. All right, we're going to do one more one more Taco Reaper from YouTube. So Trevor should we still consider looking for a big or are we looking? Okay, as of right now do we really need that extra big I still think you do home and it's not so much that I'm saying they need an extra bag. It's because I want the Lakers to have as many different skill sets to pull from as possible and with the one skill set. They don't have right now. You've got three in D Wing players took ball-handlers. You've got mobile bags. You've got a passing Bay. You've got a stretch big you've got guys who can do those things. What you don't have is the traditional Rim protecting big you just don't have that skill set and I'm not saying it's a guy that they would lean on all the time. But just so Frank Vogel has that option. Because we've seen he adapts on the Fly especially in the playoffs and he might switch up his lineups. He might put in a different skill-set in order to attack a specific weakness of an opponent. And if that is that there you don't have that Rim protecting big you can't do that. So that's for that reason and that reason alone. I would still add a bag. I don't I'm not looking at this team thinking. Oh my gosh, we're dying for a center of this team is going to be terrible unless they go get a center. No, I'm not that's not where I'm at. But just in terms of having that skill set. I think that's why I would still go and look for a big. All right, guys, let's wrap things up there. Let's call it an evening. The Lakers do play again tomorrow night. We'll be back during the postgame show up then don't forget to come join us over on the flick app. Make sure you guys come over there tons of tons of great conversation happening over on flick. All you got to do is use the link that'll be down to the bottom of this video in the description on YouTube. Click that take you over to the flick app. I'm talking like a basketball they're all day every day. 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Lessons from Earnings Season

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Lessons from Earnings Season

"The revision daily briefing. Live without a net friday edition. I'm live with ed. Harrison and jack farley. Welcome gentleman thank you great to be here ash. He you have the net right. There is no net jack. There is no net nationally. Had one job talking one job. I you guys obsessively watching markets all week. Long your one job. Tell us what are you seeing. What's cross your attention. And what's important for people to right now. Hey jack i mean you. And i right before astor talking. We're talking about the same thing. Earnings I know the market's down today. And you're gonna give us the numbers ash but earnings have been really good in and jack. He ran through a bunch of numbers that were very nice Why don't you tell us what those numbers look like jay. Sure ahead well. So far about she hundred companies have reported their earnings of the snp hundred and about ninety percent of them have actually beaten the expectations from the street. Now many say that those expectations are artificially low so to look to so to make the couple's look good and of course that's true but ninety percent is still very high. In fact i was reading paper earlier. That found out. The average beat for s and p five hundred companies over the past years was around seventy four percent so ninety percent is very good and to give you another point context in the kb w bank index. It's an index that has twenty four bank stocks. You wanna take a guess. How many of those twenty four bank sox beat their earnings will. I'm guessing since i saw On my screen. Bank stocks hit fifty two week highs today. The dancer is every single. One yes. That is exactly true. Actually surprised that you got and Yeah every twenty. Four of twenty four made that axes making a chart earlier. It's it's a remarkable chart so yeah earnings good across the board. Today in terms of price action you had asia opened up very weak. The hang sang down about two percents That weakness bled into us equity markets in action. Tell us about that later. Bonds very flat. You saw commodity weaknesses as well. But that's the price action. I wanna get into the bake the inch with you guys. Let me just say before we got into deep for people who advised missed the close Doug jones industrial average closing thirty. Three eight seventy four down about one hundred eighty five points on the day or down zero point five ish percent s&p closing at forty one eighty one down around three quarters of a percent and nasdaq off about a point. Eight five percent closing below the fourteen thousand level at thirteen thousand nine hundred and sixty two. Jack got a question for you when we talk about this This you know be a missed calculus. Is it worth pointing out as as you point out obviously There is clearly the thought that companies put them a little bit lower than they like so they can have a b. But what about the magnitude of some of these beats. I'm thinking google here Clearly that must matter. The degree to which accompanied beats the earnings. And i'll just throw one other thing out for you jack In my conversation with thomas thornton on tuesday he observed that when they're blowout beats and companies. Don't get rewarded by for investors. That's a sign that maybe potentially things may start to be looking a little topic to great points there yet. You mentioned google so the expectation from the street for adjusted earnings per share was fifteen dollars and sixty three sense. It reported twenty six dollars and twenty nine cents a surprise of sixty eight percent that you sometimes see that with small caps that maybe aren't that well covered but for a huge mega cap behemoth like google. It really was crates wrecking to that. Point of tommy thornton. You're absolutely right. We did see earnings beat of about nine. Ten percents a microsoft but even that The wall street analysts even though their number were beat the street was not very happy with that stock trading down so you did see that phenomenon that tony mentioned what say you i'm thinking about the fang in And i'm thinking about them as the new value. I know this is kind of i was talking to someone about earlier an interview and you know when they're trading it thirty times earnings. It's hard to call them values dots but they're the new stalwarts in in an interesting way because of a lot of them have traded sideways from a pt perspective or down. Let me tell you across the board. The ps are. We're looking at thirty four times for microsoft. Facebook is trading at twenty eight times apple is trading at almost thirty times twenty. Nine ninety five amazon is the as the outlaw fire but they're only trading at sixty six times in remember that's because they're supposedly reinvesting so much money into the business that you know. The net income doesn't represent the free cash for their spending off. And finally. If you look at google ak alphabet. They're trading at thirty one times earnings. So what that's telling you. Is that these. Biggest companies are trading at multiples. That are much more in line with the market They're not trading at the huge premium traded to the market in. And then so when we think about where. You're gonna invest your money going forward in in this economy that those are places where you're not going to get beat up Whether or not you have inflation whether or not you know. There's some sort of Lockdown that comes out of the blue because obviously they did well in the pandemic. These are becoming the new stalwarts to invest in The value the. That's how i'm thinking of it. I'm still trying to put together a thesis in terms of thinking about it. But i'm not looking at it as in microsoft was down on the day. I'm looking at it time. That they're much more in line with the market. They represent compelling value at these levels relative to the rest of the market the average. it looks like the average up. he on the nasdaq. One hundred right now is over. Forty forty spot three four on four twenty three according to recent data from wall street journal markets. Yeah go ahead. I well i i think both of you make such good points to the stocks are gross stocks because they grow very quickly typically people investors assigning premium to that but they are trading at a price to earnings multiple that is somewhat reasonable. I'd also add i. i'm not. I'm a journalist really upheld on these matters but on an absolute basis. I don't really have a view. But relatively i mean where else are you going to put your money. You wanna put it in a place like a stock like aaa which has a very. It's a fixed asset business that has a price earnings multiple in the in the fifties. Are you going to invest it in some. Let's say Spac where the ceo has never had a real job. You know. I mean i think that fangs They remain very good place to put your money. They'd had extremely consistent returns. I also think that one reason passive has outperformed active. Is that the active managers trying to be very clever and underweight fangs and that that has really hurt them by thanksgiving facebook amazon alphabet. Google searches socks in. Let me say by the way. Here's an interesting Re reading here is if you go across the board you look at the bait of these dogs and how they're trading This goes right in line with what you're saying alphabet is trading at You know it's betas. one point. Three amazon has obeyed at one point. One five apple has obeyed of one point two one facebook one point three and then to top it off microsoft The big daddy. Zero point seven nine so this is a style that the volatility is incredibly low relative to the market. I mean microsoft has been just a cash machine now for years And that seems to be the case moving forward and you actually see that now in the fact that it's got lower volatility than the overall So here's the question. I have for you guys When we look at something like amazon. I think amazon made a net income of something. Like eight billion They're trailing twelve month earnings or twenty six point nine. Twenty seven billion dollars Is that a high watermark for growth for them. Can they continue to replicate. That are the beats very difficult going for. Because i've heard a lot of people talking about this coming quarter going to be the more difficult quarter and maybe this is why these guys are are selling off is because by the Room sell the news. There's nothing else to be gained. What do you think yes sure. This is an interesting question. I think people who have been bearish on amazon even act evaluations about sixty. Have historically a run into some problems with that with that short trade. I think it's fair to say but look there is a question here about what the law of large numbers starts to look like. We're at one point seven five trillion dollars or so in market cap on amazon. Now you have to wonder. How much growth can there be when you're approaching two trillion dollars now. I suppose you could say that. Amazon can continue to grow and become more powerful representing greater percentage of for example cloud services or retail. But there's a certain point where you begin to attract the attention regulators regulators. Look and go. Hey the market cap of this country company starts to be a reasonable fraction of us gdp. Maybe that's maybe it's time to take a look at it so it seems to me again. You've been wrong if you've gone if you've got against it but it circle point you have to wonder does the growth of begin to taper remark cap perspective. Is there really just simply no way for to continue going on. I don't know that's my thought. What do you think jack. I happen to believe that. He fang stocks Do offer opportunity relative to the other stocks especially the hyper growth stocks. I think amazon has been incredibly consistent performer. And i do think that there are opportunities for For integral now but when does it then wins eight ninety giving you a thought here about these stocks cause you know when apple released their earnings. They said they wouldn't be buying back like ninety billion dollars in shares that someone said. That's you know. More than seventy a components of the hundred the total market capitalization and and what's more is the up dividend by ridiculous amount at the same time. These are now the stalwarts. These are the companies. It's almost as if another thing in in terms of value or the betas being like one is these are companies that are almost the bond proxies in a world in which you know. People are concerned about bonds. If you wanna get a dividend Or or you know. You wanna get a coupon clip. The coupon a via the the dividend of of apple knowing that they're going to trade with the market they are the market and so in some cases. Yeah trade with the market in terms of volatility but consistently outperforming so bond like volatility equity like returns. I don i also add that you know these companies make such a good point about regulation but i think that really is the only headwind and if these companies can manage to finagle their way out and not be regulated not be broken up one things facebook. Of course it's being most vulnerable to that. I think that the highways there the the runway is there. And you know to echo michael sailor who has his view on bitcoin. He said if you're not long you're short and i kind of think about the fangs. If you're not long the stocks which really are the bedrock of the american economy and have shown amazing potential to consistently grow. Then you're kinda short them all right. I'll make the counter case just because it needs to be made. Look if you were to say the phrase the only thing that we see for this company that looks like a headwind to me is the potential threat of regulation and it was standard oil in one thousand nine hundred eleven. It would be a pretty consistent. Headwind look alpha out some numbers About twenty one trillion. That's the size of a us. Gdp twenty nineteen Amazon now again. Approaching the market cap of one point eight trillion Certain point when it crosses say ten percent of us gdp Where folks are on on the other side of pennsylvania avenue in the capital's start to say. Wow this is really something that begins to look like. It poses a threat a concentration risk of the broader. Us economy competitiveness Small business a whole series of other risks. I'm not saying that that's a certainty. I'm just suggesting that there is a point at which the becomes almost kind of defacto ceiling for growth on these companies in the trajectory just can't continue indefinitely. I'm not let me let me give you the counter to that. Because as soon as you said that i said let me look up the return on equity for standard oil. 'cause i immediately thought of a standard oil of indiana standard oil of new jersey standard. All of new york. I mean the broken pieces of standard oil Chevron exxon mobil. i mean they're behemoth companies for a long time. You probably outperformed you say the same thing about. At and t. You look at the broken up pieces verizon. Being the most obvious company to be i would call the the new. At and t. As opposed to at and t. itself How would you do in terms of return equity with with that So it's almost as if perhaps being broken up isn't a bad thing for them. It takes the overhang of regulation off of the companies and they can still grow in their respective verticals. Yeah absolutely. I grew up in. At and t. Country out in northwestern new jersey in nineteen eighty. Four divestiture was really a benchmark for Then was kind of the almost microsoft of its day can think of it as sort of evil empire In a way the microsoft's soft was in two thousand. Maybe when facebook was in two thousand twenty. At and t. was in the nineteen eighties And you look at what came out of that. All the what they call the arbox original bell operating companies but in addition to that companies out and clearly in loosen which was for a time a market leader obviously made some bad bets But you really can't blame the mistakes that some of those. Some of those brave companies may on the breakup certainly it seems like the potential to liberate an enormous amount our value for the shareholders by and this is the interesting point is really the company being operated for the value of the shareholder. And might they not do better with the divestiture scenario but when you have these incredibly powerful charismatic executives who were the founders of these companies leading them whether or not they retain the ceo role whether they call themselves chairman of the board. They are clearly a massive massive force In these companies night add one other thing which is multiple classes of common stock which allow these founders have super voting rights in these companies in perpetuity. You take a guy like mark zuckerberg. Who's clearly in his thirties. right now. Very long runway could be running this company for fifty years by the way. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing The cap you could argue the counter case. Which is you had. Great american companies. That were run by charismatic founders. Who had a vision Who then took the company public. You think of steve jobs being the most obvious example lost control of his own company. I apple the quintessential example. Be great american company today when through years of significant difficulties after john. Sculley fired. steve jobs All of these questions. I mean. I don't think we have the answers but at least the question. Detroit that throw important thing. I definitely at a critical juncture in this particular cycle because all the rotation that we have that was emblematic of reflation trade is now moving to the reopening the full reopening and the full reopening trade. It's not clear to me that trade is what the pitfalls in that trade dr and i think the segue of from equities into any other topic is because everyone's talking about inflation. I don't know if you saw what the what the b. e. a. released today in terms of personal income outlets but diana is quoted it on twitter saying that You know the the the first line that they had there was something. In the order of twenty one percent personal income increased four point two one trillion dollars or twenty one point. One set at a monthly rate in mars That's ridiculous amount. This is the wall of money. That's about to hit. The economy and a lot of people are a short on the bond side. Because they think that's gonna lead to inflation. And i know jack he's probably got the stats to to talk about that. Yeah well let's see this article from bloomberg that one in four shares in the t. lt. It's twelve billion dollar. Bond fund that owns long-duration treasury is duration of twenty years. And more one in four of those shares now sold short. So you have the potential for a minor short-squeeze phenomenon if not a squeeze phenomenon where as the price increases salaries have to sell and gama's use these things happen every day But yeah there's there's a short very high short interest that we haven't seen since two thousand seventeen so bonds short remains on the images say For people who are not as following this as closely as jack is when t lt rises in price yield's fall and the obvious converse is true as well So that's a play for rising rates when you see that number falling yet. I'm telling something short is when you sell something that you don't own so it's like a double or triple negative. Yeah and if you buy a put option on it then Your dealers have to synthetically that position so it's basically like when you go put option. You're you're you're having the same impact in the market pretty much. You're melting frames jack. Let you talk about the about gamma. Now ascendancy starts talking about synthetic you know that he's melting brains. Someone someone's pounding beers right now watching this you know drag to you. Know i think there was one Rb db with a you were accused of pounding. A beer mid midstream. The asha refrain team. Green tea exxon so I think it is interesting when jack talks about the shore and the The potential for a short squeeze. Because if you think back about the price action during the reopening or our during the reflation trade we went from ninety basis points on the ten year treasury all the way up to one seventy five. I think we got as high as one seventy eight before we slip back into the run fifty. Now we're just above one sixty so the question is where do we go from here. And that slide. That we had from the one seventies a high seventy two. The one fifth accuser coincided with a massive unwinding short position. But it seems almost from the numbers. That jack is giving us that that short position is back on and to me. That says n- not that we're definitely gonna get The long bond with yields that going higher it could mean that we actually get yields going lower very quickly because everyone has to cover their short because of a short squeeze. Hi i'm ashton host of the real vision daily briefing. You are listening to a podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by air. Med care have you ever thought about what would happen if you or loved one needed to be airlifted to the hospital even with comprehensive coverage health insurance doesn't always cover the full cost of an emergency medical flight which means you could get hit with substantial costs. You didn't count on while no one wants to think about a medical emergency planning ahead for such. An event is essential to ensure your financial protection. That's where air med care. Membership comes in with an air med. Care network membership. 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Structural question is talking a little bit about the phillips curve in what some of the economic philosophy is behind this. Why it's happening. But i i should say if you see. Jackson is getting a suddenly the reason. The sun is just come out on the upper east side. Yeah it's not the beer that you guys are pounding. You talked about the most. Because i've got a question that you know. The yields could go lower because of the short squeeze but that's like saying. Oh this stock went down so much. It has to go back up. Some sub socks that appear to be evalu-. I think the value trap like what if there's a reason that everyone is short bonds namely the economy is reopening before our eyes. You know commodity soaring Yeah so i bet isn't rates are gonna rise right. That's exactly why ashes making the segue into the fields. Because that's what people are saying. I mean i think mohamed aaron says it pretty well And there are some other people who are saying. This is what bill dudley. The former new york fed a president. They're saying that basically what's going to happen is is that it used to be that. The fed was preemptive about inflation. They would see signs. That inflation were percolating. Like the things that you were just talking about jack and then they would preemptively tight to make sure that it didn't get embedded and spiral out of control. What people like dudley are saying and actually muhammed eleryan as well. Is that what the fed's new regime is the clear regime shift in their pow with. They're saying is. We're gonna wait until we actually see the white to inflation is. We'll wait until the inflation is actually right on top of us. we see. it's actually happening and only then. Will we tighten and with dudley muhammed area. And many others. Larry summers is another one. They're all saying is you'll have waited too long. Because of the the long and variable lag in how monetary policy works. You have to stomp on the brakes. In a massive way dudley was quoted as saying it will get to leads three and a half or four percent on the ten year in this new framework. That powell powell fed are using so Vice chairman dudley ad says very well the thing you disagree with most yes definitely. I've got completely disagree with him. It because what's behind. This is this this perverse phillips curve. Stop the basically what he's saying that the is that when you get unemployment going down to low. That's what inflation happens. So what happens is is that you get to a point when there's so few extra workers in the economy to to higher than inflation starts to go up because you're bidding up wages and when you bid up wages people more money in their pockets and they start buying stuff in the price of those things. Go up and everything's fire was out of control. He saying we need to stop that from happening. And the way that we're gonna do it and this is what he said when he was. A fed chair are fed president. He said into seventeen quote if we were not to withdraw accommodation risks would be that the economy would crash to a very very low unemployment rate and generate inflation. So in order to make sure that we don't get that inflation. let's throw people out of wordless rates. Throw people out of work and by doing that. We will stop the inflation bugaboo from from hitting us the economy crash to a low rate of unemployment. Terrible everyone's working herash to very very low unemployment rate. You see the wording now. You caught the crash but even the very very low as if very very low unemployment rates are bad. That's what he's saying. He's saying a low low unemployment rate crashes the economy. So if the jack up rig this is the this is the paradigm that is using that. Mohammed ali aliens using that bill dudley's using that's the old paradigm and that's the paradigm where at the end of the cycle. Just when you thought your paycheck was gonna you know humming along with everyone else. Asset prices have been going up but your paycheck is not just when things are getting going. Quebec cam the fed comes in. They start jacking up. Rates and the whole cycle falls apart. And you know half the people who got into the at the end get on employed again so to me. That's that's a perversity and the question is if you don't do that what happens to inflation because that's the regime that we're in now. They're not doing that anymore. And i've got a question for you to what degree is bill. Dudley is larry summers. Do they still exert influence. It's my understanding that these people are on the outs. They are well respected but they are not in positions of power in other words like people are actually on the fomc committee. Their opinion matters a lot more than what these people who are. Running collins matters right exactly. I think that the proof is in the pudding in terms of the bond vigilantes. Because i think in the bond vigilant as front runners. I don't think of them as intimidators. Not intimidating the fed into doing what they wanna do. The fed said over and over again many members of the fed. That were gonna do what we wanna do. we're looking at the stuff that we're look at and we told you what it is and that's it but the bond vigilantes are saying we think you have it wrong. We think that. Summer's eleryan. And and dudley right that when Back to win when we get to the point that all the stimulus gets into the system. Inflation will rise so much you guys are gonna have to slam on the brakes until we are going to front run that and send rates up ahead of time. So that's where the short position comes from because they think they can benefit from this eventuality. Right i want to point out that. Sorry go ahead. No i was just gonna say just to underline this point the the big picture issue here is what we've seen is using this tremendous are run up in asset prices particularly in us equity markets Over the last five years And the point is is one that's very well taken which is just as the economy begins ought to start humming along. In a way that ordinary wage earners began to participate in it with some job stability with some opportunities. maybe some overtime those kinds of things. Then suddenly you start hearing talk about taking away the punch bowl and you know the question is what we argue the conference we can see right now. The top all items. Cpi is above two percent. Obviously there's always a risk of things overheating but it really does seem the definition of inflation. This idea of a general rise in prices. We know that. There's there's energy price inflation. That's a huge factor. Look at all item when you netted out and just look at core. It's much more modest much more moderate really the inflation. That people are feeling if you talk to if you talk to ordinary americans. Who aren't economists. You're sitting at the kitchen table. Paying bills they talk about generally. It's the same three things that i keep hearing number one healthcare terrifying for everyone right you lose your job and you just need something as simple as an appendectomy and suddenly you wind up in debt for decades terrifying thing prices have been rising insistently in healthcare number two the cost of education as any parent. America it's crippling it's terrifying. It's all whole and number three. The thing that we're hearing increasingly increasingly is about the price of food. Inflation is something that i feel. Certainly that when you go out to get a hamburger. There clearly is a rise in the price of food. At what do you think about that. From the broader perspective from the perspective of what americans feel when they look at their bills at the end of the month. We'll i think of the anecdote you told right before. He came on about bill dudley Being one of these economists who was talking about ipad and deflation the guy's not living in the real world He's living in his world of models with. That's the kind of inflation. You're talking about inflation. Another part of inflation. That i worry about where the to come right together. That is asset price inflation and real inflation in in the real world is house prices because for the first time we're seeing not just house prices going up. Which is the asset price inflation slash real inflation for those who are owners. But we're also seeing apartment Prices reflect this so when you price people out of the market in You know first time homebuyers. They're going to start the bidding up the price of rental car and so that's a party. I'm flation that is very pernicious. It's one of the largest in the inflation basket and that's the sort of thing that yes down the line. It could surprise the fed and caused them to do exactly ads dudley and all the rest of them are saying is going to happen. You know absolutely and now you have not just this challenge where you talk about the interest. People who own assets versus the interest people. Don't but you also have an intergenerational impact where you have people perhaps blue collar workers who bought houses thirty years ago And you look at where they are compared to their kids who are in similar jobs and it is a real real significant challenge for the country by the way i should say though with regard to mister dudley. Apparently i believe i owe him an apology. I just googled that ipad story march. Fourteen two thousand eleven. Cnbc the headline. I wrote about the ipad story. Fed president impersonates marie antoinette. That was probably funny. Explain yes let me let me say one other thing I have a interview. That's very interesting coming up with the dairy perkins who is someone who's very sympathetic to the shift in policy. But he's talking about actually the fiscal policy shift. There are two shifts that are going on at simultaneously. There's the one that we're talking about the whites of the eyes of fed policy shift and then there is the fiscal shift that we see with biden's that it does seem is catching a bid also in europe as well what darrow sane is is that. It's the fiscal side where you know deficit. Spending putting money in people's pockets directly really is going to be the thing that down the line leads to more inflation. That's the thing that is going to make a difference. Four wage earners but also eventually lead to two more inflation will. If it were may running policy. I would have a much more loose fiscal and tighter monetary policy. I wouldn't have loose lose. That would have tight tight. And if i had to choose one to be loose with it would be fiscal over monetary a very nuanced point. There ed unfortunately is one that relies on congress to get things done As opposed to twelve men women in a room on the fomc. I should probably say i. We're getting a lot of comments coming into us a lot of questions. We should probably jump in and ask them out. The first one is precisely to this point up from bad boy at five four. Three seven seven. What do you guys make a fed governor kaplan's remarks today. In case you haven't seen it often ever kaplan Out of dallas fed has basically called or beginning to think about raising rates. Isn't that what the bonville janis are telling you. They're telling you that kaplan in he's a hawk you know he's more hawkish that this is. This is the direction of travel that at the margin. We're gonna see the fed moving in the direction of the market as opposed to the reverse. So they're all piling in to the negative bats. it's interesting. I have sympathy for that concept that the fed is not as impervious to The changes in the economy as they make it out to bid. Yeah i think it's important point. So on the one hand he saying similar things to larry summers and to. Who's the other gentleman. Who was a little dudley dudley. He's saying similar things to bill dudley. And larry summers however a huge difference in that Robert kaplan is a president of the dallas fed. He actually has real power Unlike those other people who are kind of like a junior from the sopranos like they. He they were a character who had a lot of power that but they are on the outs whereas robert kaplan is more. He's in the crew. He's he's doing action. So i think that is very significant. How as you say that he is known to be somewhat of the hawk. I think remains to be said though i mean. We had powell's the address on wednesday. The federal reserve remains committed to price stability. Wink wink nudge nudge. And me a manageable unemployment and it really wants to get unemployment much much lower and i fed has pretty clear if you take them at their word that they they are not going to taper unless they say unemployment well well below where it is now. What jack i. I should add a throw in the sopranos. Metaphor of your choosing but governor kaplan not on the fomc not a voting member of this term right but he is still within the body fat but thank you absolutely no absolutely. Let me say by the way you know that when we think about this Going forward we've gotta think that The question really is. How quickly do we get down to low low levels of unemployment because the quicker we get there if we believe. That's where the fed is the more likely they are to raise. And i think that the implicit a statement that you're making jack is that the fed is a de facto Employment mandates dominator. That is that the employment mandate is now dominant over the inflation mandate. And what we have to be watching is the level of employment. The rate of inflation is less important in this new paradigm yet. Yes they want to overshoot that two percent target and they think that they derive authority because they have undershot at for so long by the way Questions absolutely blowing up. I think we have more questions on this episode than we ever have. Before so i'm going to dive back in and hit some of them tummy. Cow triple five q. How do you evaluate crypto tokens when we don't have visibility to their financials while all crypto currencies are appreciating against fiat. In addition tommy. That is the Trillion dollar question. It's a great one for for example bitcoin The internal financials obviously are not quite like what you would see with an equity Is transparent in the sense that you can see number wallet addresses you can gauge transaction volume off for some of the more abstract ones. You're exactly right. It's just a bet on the future. highly A highly speculative on the future but one that investors in the space believe is worth thinking about because of the trajectory That ben is taken in the past. And i should say as we were talking off. Line a sixteen zero. That's entries and horowitz are looking to raise a new fund eight hundred million to a billion dollars that would effectively doubled their exposure to the space. I think there are about five hundred and fifteen million on their last fund. Hot red hot also a final point a report coming out of strat for talking about if theorem potentially going to ten thousand today a trading Obviously in about a quarter that right now looking at network effects and things that are very similar to what our own ralph palestine saying for some time. Let's let's get more of these questions all right. So here's another one also from tomek. Actually as i see are we headed towards japan japan affiliation ed. Yeah i would say that. That is less likely out the way that i would describe. Japan advocation is. I would say that basically you had a problem in terms of the paradigm shift The japan was stuck in the old paradigm but they needed to move to the new fiscal dominance paradigm. So the one way to think about it is is that they said look. Here's what we're gonna do is. We're going to shock the system with massive deficit spending every time we have a recession and that shah will help us get out of the recession and then we'll move to a new sustainable economy but every single time that happened they would immediately start raising taxes before they got two full employment and then they would fall back into a recession again then they would go with massive deficit spending and then you know the economy will get back on its feet again and then they would again try tax away that benefit rather than waiting for the economy. Get to get to pull employment again. Meanwhile there subsidizing the losers what people call zombies in the corporate space. There was no structural adjustment whatsoever because they had zero rates and they were doing quantitative easing so they continue to do this over and over again. And that is futile We have done that in the united states. Really for twelve years Are we going to do it for another But it all depends on where the fed goes. Because as i said my view is is that what we want. Is we want loose fiscal. And we want a tighter monetary policy together until we get the full employment and in by doing that you avoid You know the slamming on the brakes with inflation the way that summer's talks about the way. That dudley talks about. I think that's a much better way of getting things done so i don't think we're there but we're halfway there say chair harrison has a nice ring to it s. If i could add my two cents. I think the spirit of the questions. depend occasion Extremely reduced volatility in in currencies. Inequities that the backstop is always there. Sure i i see that. I think it's quite apparent. I would highlight to differences number. One it's demographics. Japan is very very old country and that is perhaps why it's needed such a large amount of quantitative of asset purchases. And the us we're in country to have a somewhat vibrant immigration system and immigrants tend to be younger. We should have this renewal of. We're not we're sort of aging at the incredible rate. That japan is that europe is. That's number one number two. I just think in terms of scale. I think the scale of the bank of japan's interventions really have nowhere nowhere close to there. I mean if you read. Princess of the yen by dr professor richard werner. There is a when there were. There was a city city square. I believe or perhaps a very small plot of land in tokyo that had a greater market value than the higher state california. Likewise i was actually reading a book by peter imperial palace. Yes exactly thank you. Thank you Al always there. I've appreciate it. And then i actually reading a book by peter lynch. He was noting that there was a recent ipo. A public offering of a old Basically like telekom stock was sort of like an. at and t. stock but it was very small very old not growing quickly and it was worth more than at and t. and bell and all these other stocks combined so obviously that was a result of the bank of japan's unprecedented intervention. So i don't think we're there yet. Could we get there. Of course. But i don't think we're as close as perhaps some people think check. What are you wearing. It's not a fan of like. I was there at the time. So you're talking. Ntt and So i remember those those things. What you talk about these things historically. I'm thinking about them as as they actually happened. And that was part of the internet. Bubble That we had as well. We had stocks. That i think were pretty ridiculous. a decade later. But we were able to recover from that. It's it's not That housing Stuff where this debt allocated. That's that's the thing that really gets you. Support for this podcast comes from goldman sachs goldman sachs expert and leading thinkers have to say about trends shaping markets industries and the global economy. Stay informed with the latest insights from goldman sachs on the economic and market implications of covid nineteen available on our podcasts at yahoo dot com slash covid nineteen or any of your favorite podcast platforms. Right and t tito come up check. I wire so it's not like the fed is ever going to buy a corporate securities. Come on that's fair. I mean by the way we're joking. Of course the fed is a under the thirteen. Three programs done precisely that since the beginning of the covy crisis. But still to your point jack. Absolutely nowhere near the scale relative to the capital markets. We've experienced i ask. You're absolutely right. They did do that under that program. Didn't by as much simply because they didn't have to say this. The ruben The rubicon has been crossed. But they're not at rome yet. I'll say that Waiting into the rubicon. The title of your memoir. It'll be like your slouching toward gomorrah jacket as potential ago. Here's wondering jew brag deflation or inflation. A your dollar based debt deflation versus dollar collapse and hyperinflation but the spirit of his question. I really about deflation versus fact. We've been talking about the inflation risk during this conversation but nothing on those who've been talking about the risk for incredible are increasing. I should say deflation based largely on technological drivers that we see And the automation in and and offshoring of work So your question is about inflation and deflation Can you repeat that question one more time. Sure so alan says inflation or deflation than his specific question and this is a little bit more in the weeds. We can address the broader picture. If you like i- eurodollar based deflation versus dollar collapse. Hybrid inflation obviously. He's talking about the implications for this In the currency market. Yeah you know when people start talking about hyperinflation dollar collapse and things like that. Generally is think that i would consider those outlier events. So if you're looking before you know something that could potentially it's like those call aucoin going to a dollar it could Does cone going to ten dollars. You know maybe wanna put a a one percent of your basket into that into that too thought but really it's probably not gonna happen. There are special circumstances. That would allow to happen. I think that we're looking at the inflation numbers. I think jim bianco is probably right when he says look. I'm only talking two point six inflation. I'm i'm an inflation easter. But i'm not talking about even thousand nine hundred seventy style inflation even if you got two point six percent on a persistent basis that would be enough to change. bond yields dramatically. The large enough such that You you'd have huge losses on your bond portfolio. So you don't really need this. See dramatic changes to see Some big changes just from an investing perspective. Yeah by the way on a lighter note. We took him bet. I think it was last week about whether doj was gonna be higher lower. Although i'm bearish on doja secularly. I said higher than we are now trading at about While just under thirty three cents up from where we were last week to rally continues week. I think every time we do this. I think this is the drinking word. If there are people who are pounding bruce's right now. Everything say does the they have to take a ed us talking about. Pounding brews and wearing a dark green I always feel like you're in fraternity. The dartmouth green is a little bit It's a little darker than this and You know It's like they say in vegas. You know everything stays stays in hanover. Animal house did not that went on to be a global phenomenon. S definitely by the way so much in hyperinflation. I'm actually reading a pretty famous book now. Lords of finance and so just getting into the republic. That was an incredibly intentional decision. By the reichsbank to devalue the currency. So you know it's a common interest you if you're a dead or if you owe money you love when the currency that your debt is denominated and goes on in value so it was intentional and by the way people people were reporting doctors reporting patients had psychosomatic illnesses. Where because the price of bread would go from one hundred to three hundred dollars in over the course week. Doctors patients had illnesses where they're like. Yeah i'm forty chilean years old i have i have two trillion children that they would that they would say that in your parlance. Wow that is interesting. I hadn't heard that Here's a question that just sounds like it was custom tailored for you. ballard the carefree bear q. What is your take on short end. Us raise moving lower while long and moving mostly higher is this collateral demand and if so how does one square this with a quote expectations hypothesis expectations hypothesis very interesting. Yeah i mean at a technically you can have some Some movement Because if you take a look at the curb in in you derive it into You know what you think. The the interest rate should be In three months or in ten years overtime and then there's a premium based on liquidity for different Different times in the the term structure. You can build out a yield curve Bought there's gonna be some movement around that. So for instance. I think that if you look at the short end the curve we could even have negative rates of mildly negative. Just for pure technical reasons. And then if you have Gangbusters economy with you know closing the gap to previous level of unemployment. You could still see rates going up somewhat so you could see the yield curve steepening Via both ends of the of the ilker. But i don't really think that the the short of the yield curve is has a lot of Down in terms of how far negative you can go just because unless the fed is telling you that they're going to go negative or you fear that they're going to go negative. There's no reason to for for neo very substantial negative now. I don't know if you guys are watching. The comments about their absolutely ripping a doing this live is just so much fun. And so cool. And it's great to be doing this with you and to be interacting in real time in reading the questions. You're welcome out. I hope i pronounce your last name correctly. So here's a question as we get toward the close that i'm i've been eager to ask both of you. It comes to us from echoing owl and the question is what's the dinner choice friday night ash. Ed and jack jack man. Well let's see. I think for a snack. I had four. I had an rubella salad with some bacon. bits. That i made I may i may have some pasta and chicken From last night sorry to wish. I could say something a little more interesting last friday. I did go to quite a very interesting soccer bar downtown with a few buddies And the food was very good but How about yourself. Who john dick for that. By the way since you say a rubella. I'm thinking i don't know if you know back in two thousand and eight. When barack obama was on the campaign trail he was talking to him about food price. They'll have you seen the boot rises like the price of paying for food and his the first words that model was like. Yeah you know the price of a ruge going through. And i had. Because i don't even know what rula is rob You know my my my meal is going to be whatever my Whatever whatever the right answer and you could out from from takeout or mcdonald's or whatever it might be so i'm a little bit more basic i imagine jacker having dinner with john kerry tonight. No you say that. Because i eat a rubella i must be such a hoity-toity fancy lad. It sounds like i don't know. I don't wanna like accuse year but it sounds like you might be. I think president obama was unfairly maligned for his college. I think i you know what i'm having for dinner tonight. I'm going to bear burger. And i'm getting grasp at beef hamburgers because now dining in new york Indoors open again and like the pleasure of eating scalding hot burgers with melting. Cheese is something that. I've just missed and crave i do not cook. I'm a classic new city bachelor. Bridges totally empty seven ordering food in except for like maybe like a bowl of cereal in the morning so like going out and having sculling hot burgers with dripping melting cheese. Sauteed onions just absolutely delicious. That's the clan for tonight nouns. Good i liked it. Yeah i'm pretty hungry. Listen to that. Jackie should meets in your head. You're not going to want on eighth. And i are. You eisner one. Yes that's going to. Oh wow small world very close now. Anyone who's in new york then they know where to get you guys. They can ask more questions app. Yeah yeah it's like the religion daily briefing after hours during. Yeah we should do it if. Pj clark's at some point for all of our new york listeners viewers. Let's do that. There's a place that our head of business a george took me to while back. It's called bathtub gin. It's one of those places. It's so cool that it doesn't have a sign and it's actually a really cool place. I went there again with a few friends Two weeks ago and that we should have something there. It's very old fashioned. Kinda like a speakeasy vibe could play everything jack to cool to have a sign. You're not doing any yourself. Any favors here without sounding. What utility so gentlemen as we come to a close here. We're at almost the hour mark. Now we've run long as we always do on these friday briefings but it's been a lot of fun final thoughts that you'd like to leave the audience with the. That is a question i mean. We've been all positive and so forth. So i don't wanna bring negativity but I'm generally positive on the us economy. I think that The us economy is going to outperform. Forward leased a good three months. Europe is is behind. But they're going to be coming out of it. The place to watch in terms of outperformance or underperformance is actually asia. Because you know they're the ones who supposedly came out of the pandemic the bass the earliest. They've been outperforming but really some of the things that you've seen. I'm not talking about india. Talk mud elsewhere suggest that we still have worries until you know we get hurt. Immunity We so we don't know what's going to happen so Right now the. Us is the best bet over the short term in terms of outperformance. Yeah china asia. That really is key because they consume so many commodities oil copper have been you know surging so if you see a slowdown in china. That could pour put an ice bath on that commodity rally. One thing i have my eye on is rising yielded in europe. Which i you know you have your as well. Then that makes it slightly. More attractive for capital flow into europe would be good for the euro but really i want to close with a spot. That is kind of simple. Because you know ed you guys take a pretty high level. Because we've been talking above the rim but i just want to close with a very simple thought which is that. The stock market is up and that the nasdaq has had. You had positive months for the past. I believe five months so all this yields going to rise and that's going to be kryptonite for tech stocks. Which by the way i was saying by we were all i was wrong. People who said that were completely wrong. The s. and p. Five hundred yesterday made all-time highs and i actually was looking at technical indicator which is breath which is a percentage of stocks in which participate in the rally and in april. We had a best monthly breath on record ninety five percent or more of us equity benchmarks closed above their two hundred day. Moving average in eighteen sessions for all the trading sessions that month. So it's literally the best on record so your economic optimism. Ed is clearly shared by equity investors. That's all and before Leaves his final word. I don't think you're wrong jack. I think you're right. It's just that we take pause. What happens if ridge good to two percent or two point three percent. It might be different. I think would. We're in the goldilocks period. At least right now And so let's enjoy for the time being but if rates rise again. I don't think that that that picture is gonna look the same. Here's what i'm thinking about guys burgers and beer. I'm thinking about it right now. Because that's what i'm craving. And i'm also thinking about it. Because new york city is in the middle of a reopening going seventy five percent a internal capacity for dining. Next week i believe may seven the week from today This is something. That's going to be really interesting to see what good is going to happen. Here in the financial capital of the united states As this reopening trade happens you know. I was out last night went to my first party. Post pandemic it's really really weird talking to people When they're not wearing masks it's weird being indoors. It's just like super surreal. I did my first indoor dinner this week and the thing that killed me and recently gone out. You've been locked up for a long time in your apartment Like i have. It was the echoes in the restaurant. I hear people talking at the table. Like behind me. And i couldn't filtered out because i had been in a space where there were other people talking. It's a really weird experience. I know people in other areas of the country where they didn't lock quite as hard as we did here in new york so obviously with the intense population density the incredible incredible carnage that we had Last year in the spring but it is a really surreal feeling so i'm thinking about burgers and beer. I'm thinking about what's going to happen with the animal spirits. Obviously as ed pointed out at twenty one percent rise in incomes obviously this is some impact from the From the fiscal stimulus. But it's going to be really interesting to see what this summer looks like. Are we going to have roaring twenties part two and if so what's the impact that it's going to have on the animal spirits of the economy. That's what i'm thinking about right now and thinking about in the context of actually ordering a burger exelon sounds good. We'll have have not fun. You guys. I hope that the two of you have a great time at your burger tonight and hopefully i'll see you in new york sometime soon and ask for next week. You can't forget the net. Okay gal definitely remember put. It propped up on the bookshelf. Ed jack thanks so much for joining us. Thank you so much for watching everyone. Thank you participating in the conversation own.

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The Book of Ebenezer Le Page by G.B. Edwards

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The Book of Ebenezer Le Page by G.B. Edwards

"The Hello World News about Mr Pope Coast that gives new life to old books. I'm John Mitchelson. The publisher bound the website where readers get to cry from the books. They really want to read. My name is Andy Miller. I am the author of the year reading dangerously and this week take all. I was attacked on Social Media Boy Sky Anchorman Adam Bolton for reading too much. Did you say that I did indeed contributed. I think an emollient tweets saying don't trigger these people don't trigger wasn't trying to trigger him. I just put up the Thailand. You didn't do anything I think. There is news on this view that he was actually trying to pay you a compliment but he had a pretty runway going about me. He he said posted a pile of a picture of the pile of books that I read last month and it was twenty books and some of them were short but reading is my job and he re tweeted my tweet with the words well done. Do you have a job or family and I replied saying I do have a job out in Bolton and my family is very patient as I imagine yours must be. It was quite quite the twitter spots respond to deny then everyone else for the spectator. It's eight way did not bring enough anyway. We're also doing today. Boy Will Smith it will is a former stand up comedian actor screenwriter. He's Co Roisin co-producer veep for which he he was one of the recipients to emmys and two Reuters guild of America Awards. He contributed to the thick of it. How many people are seeing the sick of it. No in one as Roy and actor where he played Peter Mannequins Invoice Phil Smith Phil Smith whose whose is Keith character elements were he was obsessed with Lord of the Rings and he was described in one episode is having a haircuts called the Disney prints. Yeah that's what I what you will is the author of several books and a novel entitled Mainland or which was published about three or four years ago a thriller set in Jersey which is where he grew up boo the independent described by as John Kerry meets Middle March Elliott and Smiley together a lot so before we get to that we are hit. I should say you perhaps realized from the acoustic that this is a live edition of the protest and we are at the Games he literally a Tree Festival in the beautiful James Church and assembly rooms in support on the island of Gercy so thank you for the invitation very very happy to be here so we'll you grew up here. No blow wash your mouth out. I grew up in Jersey Jesse bookstop. It's a superior island no it's. It's the frame bigger. That's probably more offensive. Teach you see much. I don't know where the residents of the Channel Islands traveled to the other islands overlaps frowned upon know the best we came here from the he spent considerably more time with you which speaks volumes right miserably and toilets at the I see so did you come to match when we did trips to sort of all the islands but not not as a regular thing. There is a strange rivalry an remember the basis but it just is. It's fine. It's fine. We do have a barrier in front of the stage. We're in a cage right now. I'm John. Have you ever been to guns e before. I've been to the other place for a conference fine. Literally on the three slightly like the jet lagged hours. I've having in going so far a very nice man I thought incredibly friendly gave me a along the coast which was spectacular and I just love Ireland's. I'm I like a lot of people I just. There's something about a culture that I love so I'm looking forward. I've got tons tomorrow to go and do a bit more exploring. It's hard coming off. The back of the book that we obviously is. Perhaps the the great novel of Ganzi. It's really really amazing being here. James's I came to concert and James is in one thousand nine hundred eighty five and I'm wondering if anyone was here here on that ninety nine hundred eighty five. I came to see a folksinger and I'm going to play you the first minute of a song that I remember him implying his name with Jake factory. How many people in the Great Great Yorkshire shown Sunday Jake Thackery live in Jersey and start doing he. He didn't do that show yeah so we're going to listen to just the first minute or so of a song called the last will and Testament Jake factory shake factory delayed about about twenty years ago so hearing his voice again in this space is going to be quite a thing for me and also this lyric could have been written by or about the page on young to be classed foaming type will when I taught up with Tomas. Laugh told me when I don't know we don't know bringing base goal so go go. We'll go for another round of took this shade of Jake Thackery the book we are here to talk about is his the book of Emmy's page by GB Edwards a first published posthumously in nineteen eighty one before we set the book up. I normally on battle-tested. Read the blurb but I'd like to ask. Will you grew up channel islands. This is most famous snowballs yeah now the Channel Islands. We aware that growing up or when did not read or when did you find this tool and it was a big big reader so it's kind kinda surprising that some on the Jersey it probably is the Jersey thing that it probably is seen as a over there probably seen as a book because I think Steve is not I think he's tried to set up event. Promoting the biography and it's just don't know what he's talking about. It's I think it's probably that inside but I kind of came to it. I'd either started or building up to a Jersey which became mainlander and I wanted to read other channel Nobles Nobles and the mainly guarantees for some reason hobby any nobles I read talk of the save which is fantastic and I started and the go-to bit stuck and I can't remember whether it was just thinking Oh. This is really great but it's nothing like what I'm trying to do so I need to check not trending on. It's no what I'm doing. It's been done before Weber and also because it's so unusual that the way he goes into the narrative in the style of it and the way he sets up with stories. It's very kind of elliptical silence of diversionary and you'll sort of jump around the time line and so I and I read it again for the podcast I got it stuck at the beginning and then when it's up and running any and everything they are just overwhelmed blast. It is amazing once once those wheels a turning yeah exactly he wants all the balls from the founding. It's an incredibly credibly difficult book to go away from comeback to get it when you just have to keep the voice is so intense. I had read it for when we first started the podcast a couple of people that sets me you know it'd be a great book to the Book of Evans Page Boy G. Edwards and the only. I never heard that I confessed. I'd never heard of it so I read about three or four years ago. I liked it very much. I read it again for the purposes of this post coast and it really blew me away the way some books do that on a second reading if you're lucky enough to come back to them. I felt that once I knew what to expect want. What's the kind of the surprise funnily enough had had had drifted away slightly? I really engage with the book itself and I got so Sir Chow on second. It's so intricate and the so many stories and like I say because he's jumping around once that's sort of in your head from the first when you go back you kind of you get even more all the way he trump's things in him. Be Edwards Yeah I mean that we need to talk about that and kind of how he gets onto that voice but what I can't ask ask as someone who grew up in the chaplains it kind of resonated with me on the kind of I've heard that voice I've I've met Batman in Jersey in the you'd hear David there and I just wondered what it was like for you coming to it was hard to into the rhythms all the Joe. How did it feel I felt it was hit me me with absolute force revelation. It's I feel it's a book I've been looking for. I'd never known anybody do that. That monologue is world. People who listen to podcasts will now I love but that's w h Hudson the the people who've I suppose you are coming from Peasant Ed rural backgrounds who are telling their life stories in a direct way. I mean that's the first thing is that the voices. I don't think footsteps there. It's yeah and it's it's a big big big book your he delivers in an almost sort of James Joyce in kind of detail names families kind of the whole of sort of eighty years of the history of dubliners a few weeks ago in a very on the nose gesture because I was going to Dublin and I think the comparison with Dublin is in some respects he's pretty good in terms of Dublin's of short stories by James Joyce obviously but the idea of building up in an almost quilt like picture of a specific community a specific take place. That's one of the things that Gerald Edwards did in the book of Ebeneezer Lopez and also with no sense that Edwards is trying to undercut Ebeneezer in any way. There's nothing about it. I think he achieves what very few novelist I mean this big claim but I think achieves what Lawrence was was kind of doing in some of his early novels that we discussed recently that I know you can't stand but joe was a massive disciple of love and was in fact commissioned by Cape to write the what would it be in the first book about the SMOLTZ's work. He didn't eventually right it. I'd also like to reassure listeners who share my feelings about d h Lawrence about the ways in which the book of evidence and the pace differs from yeah let me read the blurb on the back of the New York review of books edition and incidently our friends at the New York review of books until May the twenty fourth twenty nine teen offering thirty percent of copies of the book of avenues in the page. If you boy from their website and you use the code back listed here's the blurb on the back of the book Ebeneezer Lepage cantankerous opinionated and charming is one of the most compelling literary creations of the late twentieth century eight years old Ebeneezer. He's a has lived his whole life on the channel of Guernsey Stony Speck of a place caught between the coasts of England France. Yes a world apart from either. I'm just just GONNA pull us this because it occurs to me that the I'm wondering if Gerald Edwards friend and biographer Edward Chaining who is sitting in the front row. I staring at me Yeah Yeah. Did you see this blue. Ah Yes Edward says he probably had something to say about it quite we'll. We'll keep going. Ebony himself is fiercely Ashley Independent but as he reaches the end of his life he is determined to tell his own story and the stories of those he has no he writes family secrets and feuds unforgettable friendships and friendships betrayed love glimpsed and lost the book of Ebony La- pages abusively detailed chronicle of life but it is equally an oblique reckoning in with the Traumas of the twentieth century as Ebeneezer recalls both the men lost to the Great War and the German occupation of guns during World War Two and looks with despair eh the encroachments of Commerce and tourism on his beloved island. Gb Edwards Labor in obscurity all his life and completed the book of Ebony Zillah page shortly shortly before his death published posthumously. The book is a triumph of the storytellers ought that conjures up the extraordinary voice of a living man. I think that's a very good and actually the voice that reference at the end the voice of Ebeneezer the page I think is is is what is one of the remarkable things about the the novel believe him in Philly was real. It's I mean I know. That sounds really simplistic. That's what books is supposed to do you just I do. I really felt it. We're GONNA read parts of the novel as we go along but we will be nice to hear the first paragraph of the book. There is an incredible credible twenty two hour audiobook recording of Roy freese ninety two years old he was he was he was yeah he was. He was in his late eighties. The early nineties. I am reliably informed. He recorded in two days. Is that right recorded in two days. Race is an absolutely terrific audiobook and we've just got the first paragraph. What I should say is when Roy D. Trees Introduces each chapter. He speaks like this. The book of Ebeneezer page cap to walk good. I'm Jamie good has gone on Sean. You shove they say well. I'm sure he older audit and the more I learn the more Arnaud Nelson me on the oldest on the lighter endorsing Lucia capital from primal say she is older. I reckon she's putting it on when she was a young woman. She stepped birthday once every choice for years but for years now she's been having have been two or three a year to tell you the truth don't know oil. Dahlia Mama put it down on the front page of the Big Bible but she put down today and among and forgot to put down the year al-Sham pose. I'll could find out if I went to the Griff but I'm amount God the buzzer about that now. Every all of us have now started book Ebeneezer. Look how many people here have read the book of Ebenezer the page again again no one that seems extraordinary so this is your second goal. This is my second year on the things about the voice. We heard the voice that what you said it made you feel like he was a real person. What I can't get my head around. I I really generally how he wrote it because it's obviously very intricately plotted but then it's told by a man who is pretty much. Illiterate doesn't read books. He's writing like a novice and yet Edwards is dropping in these things that make it absolutely workers a book. The structure and the artistry is completely of Edwards is completely subsumed into the by the Voice Evans it so it's it's just seamless. The cats are is so fully realize I mean they're all kinds of things you could have done. It could have been full of knowledge about guns in a funny kind of way he isn't. He isn't the some very very very funny scenes in the boom but the one where he kind of goals the archaeologists Dudley Dudley Wayne Ed Lee way within. He knows that he's off to fax work done very recently and I think the charm of the book is yeah. It's totally believable. You know as I did practically nothing about guns in its history except for the headlines things that it was occupied during and the way he deals with history and the way he deals with with the war both wars is so and it's so delicately done so believable. I think that's what makes it resident. I mean I found it as well as being very very. Funny is incredibly moving. Yeah I mean there's a lot of negative qualities to him but it's a charm and integrity to one of the endings in all literature. I think yes yeah very interesting when he goes to Jersey once thinks that everyone goes to Josie they win win. That's the most he's he's insular is over Noland and as you as you say doesn't much he's actually only read one novel in his whole Trusgnach's Robinson crusoe good novel we were talking on the last episode of Bat listed about a different book by Daniel Defoe and also noble vocal crusoes daughter by the novelist Jane Garden and actually that Reading Evans Page crusoes door to close together is quite interesting experience as well because because both books are out the extent which one journeys through life alone alone alone and you end alone one way or another and joe new talks about the ending one of the extremely clever wily things that Edwards does in the book. Lebanon's page is bring bring the past and the present closer together as the book goes on goes into real time yes. It's actually had that device I thought was it's pretty much handled and I mean there's there's in it was brilliant book genius friend which we'll talk more about this. There is the discussion that perhaps the ending was was overdone and he resisted that the sort of plot is to the fat without giving away massive spoilers. Must've you've read anyway so you do but both lies and Ebeneezer. It turns out that the young couple they're both related to it's. It's very neat but I'm not uh-huh read some from the end before before we go anyway and just because I think this is wonderful. It's the redemption and in fact the the great American critic in and story writer. Guy Davenport says if I can remember correctly reaching for for for the book he said that it was the he said it was I know of no description of happiness in modern literature equal to the one that ends this novel which is pretty extraordinary thing but I I kind of. I think that's fair. Actually actually I think again. There's a kind of euphoria because the Cotonou succumbing thing I mean you know that whole thing about who's he gonNA leave his money to the very funny. It's almost there are times when it feels to me almost chore Syrian in that that sort of the repetition. He's going to try this then. I'm getting then he goes to see the he thinks the policemen know intra policeman yes in any kind of gets very very funny and there are some just straightforward farcical scenes when he's being pursued. We were talking about being issued by the the widow to marry him. I almost Fleischmann ask not what she coming and she wants to come into the gangplank and he's not letting you go on. Just get money any as as a company. Roy is the comedy coming from here is the company coming from character. Go back to this page. Tissue again turns of phrase really often at a terrific and this this jokes actual really funny beds. It's but it doesn't completely believe it's coming from Ebony because he's surrounded. He's so fully fasted and fully fully realized one of the characters in the book of Ebenezer the page in fact at the beginning of the book says this book is the property of Yes Neville fallow the property of Never Fowler says and on the Front of the book it says this quote from William Golding author loaded floors to read read it is not like reading but living I was in shop in some pizza for yesterday and I saw a copy of Pincher Maltin by William Golding so all by that and when I took out in the shop and opened it up it says the prophecy of Margaret Fallow ooh. Ooh Ooh is that you I seriously you. Is this your actual chill coffee. Is this a simulation. That'd be good. I'm going and have a chat Margaret's because this is hilarious when I go to Al.. It's full of underlining you. It was your dissertation copy on William Golding you know I don't want to give the impression this as a small island but goodness there is something quite like almost phantasm Agora. Maybe just the jet lag but looking war memorials and because you spent immersed in hours of this book both reading and Roy Detroit's in your ear and then you look on the woman morals as in the majors and the the names from the book just there it is it is a really really remarkable thing he created. Maybe we should talk a little bit more about Joel Edwards in the writing. The story of the book is sort sort of tragedy when he spent most of his life all of his life freely writing this book early promise I mean he was obviously a disciple. Lawrence approached John Middleton Murry and the Adelphia magazine and wrote famously wrote a very vicious review of ashore but he was regarded regarded by his friends Middleton Murry the author of one upmanship Steven Wasser Stephen Potter and John Stewart who went on to write another one of those great rural narratives. The worm forgives the plow the very different he was regarded as a kind of a genius and yet he didn't it kind of deliver. The book on Lawrence didn't get written stuff wasn't published and this book was originally planned as a trilogy wasn't it that never actually happened. I mean pulling get right forward to the to the end of the sixties which is when ed wood turning comes onto the scene. The book is finished in. It's it's rejected by the great literary houses of the day one of the wonderful things about the book apart from the extraordinary detective work of trying to he burned everything. I think that's the kind of key. There was very little left. The job of detective work in this book is wonderful but also the the picture is as we were talking before hand of of how you went about submitting books publisher in the nineteen seventies one of the things about Edward Chaney's book genius friend is first of all. It's it's a a tremendous were detective work trying to find out as much as he could about his friend who met at the end of his life but Edwards left the rights of the revenues of the page to would Cheney and it's really thanks to Edwards efforts that the book was published and continues to be available in print and on audio and descriptions in Edwards Book of how you went about out approaching. A publisher in the nineteen seventies is totally fascinating. We forget how quickly technology has changed. Everything you Troy to save up enough money to print one copy plus a spare then you send it to a publisher. They rejected it. It came back several months later who did or didn't have tache notable submissions were really frowned upon and then in the end it was picked up through a contact by Christopher Sinclair Stevenson Hamish Hamilton in one thousand nine hundred one and was published very successfully in the early nineteen eighty s as payback the penguin books. I think what's interesting about. It is the then subsists on word of mouth like all great books do but we are talking about here today. Not Because of its publishing success published book of the year in nineteen eighty one and then it's picked up harold bloom literary critic includes it in his in his book the Western Canon it gets included by Margaret travel in her in the new edition of the Oxford Oxford companion to English literature. It's widely admired but it still I would reckon a book that is is known known by a lot of the people who consider themselves sort of on top of the Great Novels of Twenty Century Literature which I would certainly say this is one of the Great Twentieth Century English novels G Think Novels. Do you think it's similar to if someone hasn't ready and you want to point of comparison. You're only got really unhelpful. left-field comparison that it well there's two books it reminded me of one and you're just starting one is catcher in the Rye because of the voice it's it's a direct voice completely untethered by literally convention and it's just speaking to you directly and you you just download of that character and the other is a broths. Sabbath theater because both Susan Page and theater I think we're about grief and loss and it reminds his thing about Jim which affects him throughout his life Monte very much when Mickey Sabbath who this is kind of cantankerous he's much more objectionable than ebony but he's just a provocative and just like blowing up social situations and then at the end you realize it's because his brother died in the war and and there's a there's a scene where he goes to find an old cupboard at the founding. How's the flag that he was given what his brother's body comes back and this is seen of him. He's just walk up and down the beach. They used to go to his kids in the rain crying for hours and it just Turks me off. I talk about it and as the definitions Joan any any advance on service theater catch on as a sort of fiction. You've got the voice sled fiction. There's nothing of that period but now what atom thought tried to do all the -ten capturing the rhythms or grabs with waterland trying to catch the rhythms of Acura speech. I'll always come back to Ridley Walker as a sort of the thing about about Evans is is he could be in one thousand nine hundred amazing. You could be a nineteenth century. Character is a sort of timeless again almost Beckett element there although it's the more accessible and Beckett that waiting for Gado craps last tape an old man's voice remembering and going back and re going over his life life three books that I thought okay of one is straightforward. It's very like an American novel by Royce called Allen Gonesse us. Yes called oldest. Living confederate widow tells all who's a massive fan who was only yesterday. Alan Ghana's was a huge fan Dan of the Book of Urbanism. The page which is not suggest that he's borough has anti only dear of that extended monologue by somebody living not just their life life. The century up to that point is very very close to oldest. Living confederate widow tells all the other books that reminded me of one of them. I'm not sure driver. I'm not a big fan of either of these books. She I preferred the book of Ebenezer the pace of these books but they did come to mind the first one is the ragged trouser philanthropy by Robert Trestle. The reason why I mentioned that book is it seems to me that though the house lunch press has some flaws is still a tremendously important novel because there are no other novels like it and in that respect you an editor could cut fifty thousand words the hundred thousand words from the rugged trouser lunch as indeed they did when it was first published and it would probably improve the book and yet there's something wonderful about how how baggy and discursive is to some extent. I feel that with the book revenues in the page the other points of comparison me and I Joan would lay money money that Christopher Sinclair Stevenson had this book in mind when he agreed to publish the book in One thousand nine hundred one is one hundred years by Gabriel Garcia Marquez now. They're nothing like one another midnight's children weirdly is also much more show. Offi but if you if you going for that sort of inside inside the head of a yes but they're also they're they're on big canvases and they're about communities over long number of times and family relationships and friends and it seems to have that that clean of yawning element which was popular in fiction in the late nineteen seventy s and early ninety nine hundred so I can. I I see that Chris Clemson is not just responding to the literary quality of the book but also he can see that there's a commercial opportunity for the book look and that's what makes great publishing. It's bring those two things together. I was just thinking of the the thematic thing in the book as well which is the attempt. Ebony is remembering his life and he doesn't like what's happened to Guernsey. It doesn't like modern life and I think again what's brilliant about genius friend. Is You realize that that jailed Edwards was similar in this regard didn't like the modern world much it could be a tremendously conservative conservative restrictive disappointed book and the fact that it doesn't end up being that although we've said he's ornery in difficult. I don't think I've read any any book the philosophy the idea of you know. Here are some things I I really am interested. In the role of religion in people's lives the the the arguments you know that you find in great Russian novels Dostoevsky in particular discussions about the nature of faith discussions about about the importance of what religious faith is of doubt of the loss of faith the character Raymond who is the nephew income right cousin cousin cousin but he's older he yes right on about Raymond because I think Raymond the character Raymond in the novel is me was the most powerful and the most moving portrayal of the book because of this sort of innocence and the sort of his character who who can't fit troy's wherever he forced himself into it never works he has sort of quite enjoys the big in the the army sort of brings. It doesn't get to go and fight so that's good and then it's religion an awful but we're ebony doesn't seem years after the marriage is burnt down many find him drunk in the C- he wouldn't be as he was going to kill himself and then he brings him home to live with them and then the occupation happens and then he goes to the other side of the arm and then it all goes badly wrong spoiler should be all goes badly wrong again and again all goes badly wrong spoilers because what I find fascinating about. This book is littered with spoiler every time ages character and it's amazing. It doesn't affect you. I'm he'll say mentioned Raymond and then he'll say of course he came to a terrible end. You know he just kind of blows things about this. I was just like I mean just breaks every rule. It's amazing he goes. I could say anything to Jim. If I'd done a murder as it happens. uh-huh I haven't away I could have told him and let me just the same. That's a hell of a thing to slip into the conversation just as an aside. That's just is there and you're like well. Do you WanNa read us the murdering question the Minnesota yesterday before the murder. I thought you could ask me that. I can't uh-huh okay so backstage was saying send you to read some allies. We'd love you to read. Some bits is just the thing is there's one part that I've tried. Loyd reading aloud three times and I can't do it without weeping genuinely choked up the treatment. Also of the ambiguity over Raymond's sexual orientation in the book is being handled so subtly handled you know that he he marries just character after character of Genius Christine his wife. There's a very famous essay by Angela Carter About D. H. Lawrence d h Lawrence. It was a cross dresser that no man should be this obsessed with women's clothing the detail Lawrence put into writing about women's clothing and she accuses him of being a classic Cross Dresser. which was the kind of thing that was fun to do? In the nineteen seventy s but avenues is all over the close women's clothes. He's brilliant descriptions. The film actually have a particularly brilliant description of women's clothes here but I trust us. Well I could do was to read. This is a beautiful passage. I think about him talking to Raymond and this idea of how do you get ideas into a novel without them feeling like a sort of cut and paste in mccune. I've just spent a year with a brain surgeon. Here's a lot of stuff about brain surgery. The long dark evenings he would talk to me by the our of his miseries of child and of the half and half happiness of his marriage. It was those winter evenings most of what I've written about him in this book and I haven't said won't say I think he's hard was broke because he doubted. If God was love couple of isn't love he said. Is there any other body want to have to answer that question question. Is there Ebeneezer he said. Have you ever known it yes. I said he sat for a long time looking into the fire saying nothing at last he said did your thinking if your friend Jim why I said I wasn't thinking of Jim as a matter of fact I was thinking of jean-baptiste and my sister Tabitha. He said yes but Jim and John are dead. It's easy to believe in it because it wasn't broken. They didn't break themselves. I said perhaps it never really is broken if the truth was known. I don't know why I said that because I'm not at all sure I believe it. He said I hope to God. You're right. It's brilliant. I think I just want to mention you. Were talking about the the female characters. I think we should issue a twenty-first-century warning that there is a strain of misogyny. Oh Janie running through the character of Evans in the novel which was picked up at the time. I've got a review by ah the great Peter Kemp which is an excellent review. He loves the book but I just want to read this out and then we'll just I'd like to run it by you and see what you what you both feel about it. He says standardization is what the novel itself. Never lapses into managing to be both Matra facts and out of the ordinary it has many original strengths and some eccentric weaknesses and I would add of course these interests as in fact one of the strengths of the novel most prominent mom the latter. It's attitude towards women. will she a human being or only a female. Evans wonders at one point in keeping with such readings readings vein of Misogyny runs through the book hardiest grooming nations on the horrors of marriage rebound once a man's Mary's alone for the rest of his life. A Man Must Learn to live crucified defied. That's what marriage is for illustrating the truth of such openings. Most of the books wives the scheming harpies clapping men into wedlock they detach them from their friends than hound them to break down all the grave one carries persecution even further burying her husband in the color of his football clubs rival team gene but now that's not a reason not to read the book right isn't just the genius this is why we read fiction okay if you know about. Joel Edwards and you know about the kind of the stuff that he was Lawrence we all know about Lawrence's misogyny. It's kind of all emanates schopenhauer nature and in particular niche stuff that was around in the air at the time the genius of the the novel is Yes. You have character saying these things but they're saying in character as characters but you've also got some of the I think some of the best lows cure pro is is one of the great characters fiction the fact that she will not bend to any man's will at least of all Evans's but the end of the book has got to be one of the most glorious the bottom passage at the end of the book where they they meet when they're old and she's old and bent and feeding chickens and he kisses and kisses a quiet quiet sexy way as as an I mean it's still the milk journal that he boards exquisite and that's the thing Lawrence if you don't followed it more himself trust the tail not the teller whatever whatever stuff is floating around there and the attitudes which are at some of the characters so things and Evans assess things which it clearly it doesn't really matter because in the end as you can see that he you don't need to have all the philosophical baggage you can just see that those are beautifully realised characters and it doesn't matter of Komo de la La Tabby sisters are brilliant. It would be if the character was a feminist. Wouldn't it's so it's that balance. You don't want to miss that and say. Oh doesn't matter because that's how he is you can see elements of the story that would make him turn it and turn into misogyny because of the frustrations he has with Lisa you can you can make an argument for that. I also think the character is alive but as one of the remarkable things about the book because the character is so alive you I can live with his floors even Paul. I don't feel compelled to pass judgment on the book and I I it doesn't mean and you agree with him on every every everything he says and don't disprove viewpoints and it seems to me that although there are obvious elements minutes in which John Edwards is you. Can you write a character. You can't not put it through the filter. It does seem quite quite a remarkable feat for Edwards who doesn't really go back to Guernsey yet. That's the amazing much Joyce in writing about Dublin reconstructed on his head and fascinating reading Edwards book is this is not a character who Edwards who is particularly repossessing. I have to say he's certainly in his early stuff. He's quite quite arrogant and difficult to lie. This is interesting but he create create this absolutely authentic voice and it's I can't think of any anymore I mean in cut our way of describing what it is that fiction does that nothing else can. Do you create these characters that that genuinely live several times remind myself that this was a novel. This wasn't actually a memoir wasn't actually somebody's real life. That's why I find myself crying over the death of someone who didn't exist I and what is happening. Can we read that. I know looking to meet if I did. He was up with the Lark in the morning and out swearing at the cows. It was good at swearing before but he was better now and you swear words. Even I didn't know I think it was Welsh but the cows didn't take a blind bit more notice than it used used to swear in their own language. Tabitha came for dinner to house that Sunday and in the afternoon when Jimmy was sitting on the rocks he said pitchy. I couldn't have married Tabitha Sir. I would've loved Tabitha. I wished he could have married Tabitha's though I like John. He told me about his training. He was a good shot with a rifle he said then. You always have been if I can shoot birds. I suppose I can shoot men. He said but I knew he didn't like the idea didn't like throwing hand grenades. He said when he pulled the pin out of the mills bomb. He was always afraid. It would go off before we got it out of his hand. I hoped he wouldn't be advanced charge. I couldn't do that to a chap. Happy said I said they'll give you run before you go over the top and it will be trying to do the same to you. I can't Rep Chapo. Police said it don't matter who he is. He spent the rest of his leave with phoebe in the kids. I got a postcard from from Southampton saying he was on his way to me. Wrote don't Sigh don't cry. I got a letter from him from France but it was flatlined sumo all I could read was don't think I have forgotten you if you don't hear from me for a week or two are right again as soon as I can. I saw the news in the press. I just come in from work and the press was was on the table where the boy had thrown it. My mother was frying some fish for our tea. I opened the press as I always did hardly thinking of what I was doing. I saw it at once killed in Action James Marr he beloved son of James and Agnes Marhiyev grant as you go since Simpson's for God God and King and country. I went out of doors. I cried going. It's big. It's the so many things going on that. Just brain and one is Evans is reaction which is ECON- crime from his mother. He just has to go out and be alone. It's young getting in. It's just a really why I'm really blowing my heart. In which but it's Jim is well it Jim. It's just a big kid. Kids the NAIEVETY. It's like it's just a big pharma a WHO's being sent out with a bayonet and he's like can't do that and then and then proceeding that when you discover the he he was ripped he goes over the top near Bristol here but but also when when he tells a beneath that he's GonNa fight and which will do that for it's nothing to do with us. It's you don't have to waive volunteer. At least white into scripture and unequally forty says I want to ride the train again and you just like our calm it just it just gets me. I just it's terrible and it's also because that's his he's the love of life to some extent also the pain you've been through the marriage and the fact that he had regrets and he he also says if I told them to stay he might have stayed and I didn't was that any guilt towards the mother because the mother you've always got influence over and yet I was very lucky. Steve gave me a tour of the some of the sorts of avenues of the page this morning and Steve is an expert and has reconstructed where they think certain houses were and Liza carry Powell's House House is currently for sale her plane Gonzi cottage how much on for six hundred thousand go to live simply in the leaser carapace style the amazing enough just last week. Laurie Lee's cottage inside. Ah One the one next to his the to granny's were lived is that's five hundred five hundred and twenty-five thousand we're. GonNa wind up in Table's going to beat the murder of it that I can. I read the bit where anticipate to have tea with Auto German soldier. It takes as to go with their buddies but he goes out fishing and they become friends again. Hold on yes. She was in the kitchen boiling the everlasting acting sugarbeet when all started to come in he came in and stood to attention as if on parade this is my friend auto I said she turned around from what she was doing in facing him that stood stiff awards and didn't make a move at the shake hands say a word I said tomato. This is my sister time author. She is a widow. Her husband was killed in the first World War. I tend to understand what she was behavioral. She was he said my father was also tab held out a hand. He took it in his bowed his head over it. I brought some fish I said and and put it on the table. She said Cook it now. If auto can stop and have some he said he could well she cooked it and made some real team what was left over from what I brought from Horace which you would never have done otherwise and there was bred those mousy bread rather and even whisper butter auto auto to say Offi. He said it was good. I know it was the meal enjoyed. Most of any eight joined the whole of the occupation nowadays when every year there was a celebration of liberation it isn't so much the chairs and the excitement of when we was freed. I think though I was glad that excited does does anybody but also Tabitha and me sitting around the table eating long is that was Liberation Day. I'm afraid that's ooh. We've got time for Neil. You've got something up your sleeve I should say thank you to our wonderful. Audience here Begins Festival. Thank you too will thank you to our technical team at the back. Chas Andrews Chaz Andrew. Thank you Jeff Chaz Andrew Sean anything else before I turn it over to the audience and Ktar FM if he won't be show notes and links and all the other stuff that we've done because thanks John thanks will and now over to the Guernsey Audience There isn't time for audience questions. No Madden don't run away. There isn't time for questions but you do you know what to do. When you hear this Music Yeah Ah

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1888, Cleveland vs. Harrison: Tariffs and Truths

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1888, Cleveland vs. Harrison: Tariffs and Truths

"A listener note. This episode quotes historical records containing racially offensive language. It's the morning of September six eighteen. Seventy two at a local sheriff's office in Buffalo New York Sheriff Grover. Cleveland sits at his desk and silence. His mood somber. He's been dreading this day for months back in June man named Patrick Morris. He murdered his own mother and Morsi in Buffalo in July more he was found guilty and sentenced to death and as sheriff of Erie County. It's Cleveland's responsibility to carry out the sentence. Knock at the door breaks the silence. Excuse me may I come. In Course Deputy Deputy Richard Harris Cleveland subordinate. He stumbles into the room. Looking a word mess. Were you able to sleep? Sheriff Ardley me neither. I couldn't eat a thing but did manage a few classes of brandy. Sir as Cleveland Turns to the deputy pauses for a moment the deputy pulls out a small bottle of brandy as he struggles for words I. I'd like to volunteer to take your place. No that wouldn't be proper. It's more than proper sheriff losses. You can appoint a surrogate for a ten dollar fine south question jobs up to me Mr Sheriff. I can do something like this without it. Haunting me the rest of my days. You can't so I won't take no for an answer. Cleveland size deep down. He wishes he could take Harris up on his offer but the responsibility is his his mind is made up. He's determined to see through. Cleveland stands looks hair squarely in the is now. I have to do it myself. I am the Sheriff Harris Nods and understanding. He offers Cleveland to drink. A CLEVELAND. Doesn't take the bottle. No thank you. I need to be clear and sharp and I don't want this to be a public spectacle. There's already a crowd gathering outside share. How many quite a few will send them home. They've already assembled Sir than ordered the men to clear the square by force. Yes Mr Scherr at eleven forty three. Am GROVER CLEVELAND. Leads Patrick Moore's to the gallows in a courtyard of the jail? A small crowd of invited witnesses. Gather around as a pre speaks in the solid voice as the news is fixed on. Moore's he's neck and his head is covered. Cleveland takes his place at the base of the gallows he grips the leader of the trap door. The priest opens a piece of paper and Reads Morris. These last words. I'm ready to go now goodbye. God bless you. Grover CLEVELAND. Pulsa LAVER THE TRAP springs and Patrick. More spotty falls as his neck snaps. Many in the crowd gasped and look away. Cleveland DOES NOT. He ordered his men to construct the gals in such a way that he would have no choice but to look. His eyes remain fixed on Morris. He's Bonnie Dangling twitching poor steph. Wicked game is sponsored by the Economist. Politics is a Horse Race and had horse races. People make bets in a fascinating article from their graphic detail. Daily Chart Series. 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I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game during his time share of Erie County. Grover Cleveland earned a reputation as an honest man who never shied away from his responsibility. That reputation earned him a nickname. The Buffalo Hangman. Not once but twice. Shariff Cleveland was forced to administer the death penalty and both times though deeply conflicted. He insisted he be the one to carry out. The extreme sentence Cleland's reputation as a tough but dutiful public servant propelled him to an illustrious career in politics. I the sheriff of Iraqi County then mayor of Buffalo then governor of New York and finally the twenty second president of the United States as President. Cleveland would again take a tough stand on a difficult issue that would become the centerpiece of his reelection campaign. The tariff Cleveland advocated for lower tariffs. He and most Democrats believe that these lower tariffs would protect American industry by opening up American goods to an international market but Cleveland's almost singular focus on the tariff would leave many with the impression that he was out of touch with American voters and it would also leave opened the door for a Republican candidate to fill the void and challenge Cleveland stance on the tariff issue in eighteen eighty. Eight Republicans would nominate Benjamin Harrison grandson of President William Henry Harrison as their candidate Harrison and the Republicans advocated for protectionism the view that higher tariffs on imports bolstered American industry and protected the American worker in the eighteen hundred eight contest. Cleveland and Harrison would fight it out of this tariff question in a contentious campaign defined by partisan rancor political scandal and in the modern parlance fake news. This is episode twenty six eighteen eighty eight cleveland versus Harrison tariffs and truths. It's seven thirty. Pm on May fourth eighteen eighty six and Chicago Illinois. A light rain falls on the crowd of two thousand McCormick reaper. Plant workers gathered at Haymarket Square for the past three days. These workers have joined forces with thousands of laborers throughout Chicago demanding a shorter workday and higher wages yesterday. The peaceful protests turned violent. Police fired into a crowd of striking workers. Outside the McCormick factory. Several men were wounded. Two men died tonight. They gather again to protest police brutality. Pro-labor Chicago Mayor Carter Harrison is the first speaker. My fellow Labour let us continue to strive for acceptable working conditions for all mayor. Harrison's attendance here is a little more than a political maneuver to curry favor with the Labor vote. Many in the crowd as he leaves the rally. The mayor has a quick conversation with police. Captain John Bonfield captain. How many men do you have here? Nearly two hundred mile one. Sure this meeting of anarchists peacefully. The meeting will end soon enough on account the rain just syndrome in home but the police captain does not follow. The mayor's instructions. You saw the fliers advertising. Tonight's rally reading attention working men mass meeting tonight speakers will denounce the latest atrocious acts of the police shooting of our fellow workman yesterday afternoon. So Captain Bonfield plans to keep his entire force on hand until this meeting ends or he brings to an end as the evening wears on the crowd thins by ten o'clock only two hundred and remained here. Labor Activists Samuel Field speak field and roars to the crowd for years. We have labored in poor conditions. We ask only the companies follow. The law shorten the hours increase. The pay since eighteen sixty seven our federal government has dictated that the Labor shall work no more than eight hours per day. But does that? How many hours you're forced to work. I've heard many employers won't hire men until he signs waiver of the law we call for this corrupt practice to end the much smaller than it was earlier in the evening. The crowd is getting worked up. They chant eight hours for work. Eight hours for rest eight hours for what we will. But the workers protesting aren't the only ones being riled up a Samuel Field and wraps up his speech he notices about one hundred seventy five policemen gathering at the back of the crowd. Captain Bonfield Forces Way Forward to the makeshift stage. Disperse this meetings gone on long enough. I know you intend to throttle the police and I won't have it field attempts to diffuse the situation now. No this is a peaceful demonstration. But the captain isn't taking no for an answer so field and relents. He turns to step off the stage and then a pipe bomb explodes a huge burst of fire and shrapnel enveloped crowd instantly. Nearly one hundred are wounded eight policemen and four laborers or dead. Though they didn't know if a protester had thrown the bomb police opened fire into the crown within minutes. Dozens of activists late dead or wounded. Police searched for the bomber but never found him nor learned a motive for the bombing nonetheless. Police arrested eight labor rights leaders including Samuel fielding were charged with murder all eight were convicted and sentenced to death. Public opinion was divided. Many felt that the trial these men was pure partisanship and anti-labour spectacle and miscarriage of justice. Others felt that the so-called anarchists had gotten what they deserved President Grover Cleveland. Oh offered no comment on the trial or the demands of the growing Labor Movement. The haymarket affair as it would come to be called was just the beginning of the sometimes. Violent struggle for labor rights in the run up to the eighteen eighty eight election. Social unrest would be rampant in the country's our crisis. President Cleveland would by and large look the other way in doing so he would jeopardize the safety of the citizenry and damaged his prospects for a second term. The haymarket affair was not an anomaly in the eighteen eighties. The fight between big business and labor was contentious and often violent and influx of immigration only contributed to American workers economic anxieties and deep-rooted fears that they were being marginalized and displaced in eighteen. Eighty six the number of labor strikes doubled the previous record across the US. Coal miners factory workers and rail-workers demanded safer working conditions and higher pay to match rising corporate profits but it wasn't just the laborers in the cities and on the railroads that had issues in the eighteen eighties. The United States face significant economic and social issues across the board for farmers. Us monetary policy stood out foremost in the past decade. The United States had gotten on the international gold standard a set exchange rate between gold and international currencies this strengthened the US dollar around the world and bankers most politicians like the system however a minority of members of both parties called inflationist or by medalists advocated for using gold and silver toback printed money. These inflationist argued that by metallization would help farmers and other labors have accessed more credit. These groups had struggled to repay debts under the gold standard which limited the amount of cash in circulation because dollars were backed only by gold and there was only so much gold in the treasury. Adding silver to the mix would put more money in circulation and therefore loosen up. More for lending. Cleveland'S OWN Vice. President Thomas Hendricks had been one of the champions of bimetallism and advocated for increased coinage of silver however after Hendrix untimely. Death Cleveland largely ignored the sober issue. He also ignored the problem of not having a vice president choosing not to replace Hendrix at all across his presidency. Cleveland PROVED TO BE A hands off leader. He thought he should only intervene. On matters which affected the entire nation Cleveland viewed the president as a referee between disparate groups of Americans. Not a champion of any specific issue or side. When Texas farmers were nearly wiped out by severe drought? Cleveland vetoed aid bill. He explained. I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is no manner properly related to the public service or benefit though. The people support the government. The government should not support the people. Cleveland applied this principle to social issues as well and the spring of eighteen. Eighty six ten thousand railroad workers members of the Knights of labor union walked off the job. They laugh nearly six thousand miles of track unattended. Produce rotted on train cars grain mill shutdown for want of wheat and thousands of Americans lost their supply and travel lines. Strike also soon turned deadly governors and four states called on police to protect rail lines and get the trains moving again. At least ten people died in altercations between police and railway workers in Fort Worth Texas and Saint Louis Missouri. Cleveland acted as a mediator and were to bring about an end to the strike but he did not take a stand for or against Labor instead focused almost entirely on separate political issue tariffs might be said that Cleveland believed lowering tariffs was a cure for all nations many woes. He certainly believed that. A lower tariff would protect American workers while lowering the prices of manufactured goods and so despite growing unrest across the nation. President Cleveland made the tariff his top priority many Democrats worried the Cleveland's determined stance on this issue would weaken his upcoming reelection campaign and many Republicans felt they were right. While the president had a singular focus on the fight for lower tariffs Republicans worked behind the scenes to use Cleveland's tunnel vision to their advantage. It might be said. The President Cleveland's decision to focus on lower tariffs took the fight to the Republicans political arena for years. Republicans had tried to use the tariff issue as a point of contrast between their party and the Democrats Democrats like Cleveland wanted to lower tariffs and open up American goods to foreign markets. Republicans advocated for protectionism. The practice of shielding the country's industries from foreign competition by taxing imports for Republicans. The tariff was a fight many wanted in a fight. They believe they could win. One Congressman put it. The Democratic Party has come out in the open field where we can get a whack at them. But before the Republicans could get a WACK AT GROVER CLEVELAND. They needed to settle on a candidate. And the party was still divided into two primary factions the stalwarts and the half breeds. The stalwarts were largely pro business and pro federal patronage. I process where supporters of a candidate were rewarded with posts and perks in exchange for their support. The half reeds were largely pro reform. They wanted to get rid of federal patronage in favor of Merit based system where the most qualified person got the job to bring these two disparate groups together. The Republicans needed a distinguished leader with pedigree and a strong national reputation. They would find their man in Benjamin Harrison. The grandson of William Henry Harrison America's ninth president. He was a gifted public speaker lawyer. An astute political mind a war hero most importantly a devout protectionist harrison saw the tariff issue as a way to curry favor with the American worker. He said that while establishing tariffs the wages of American Workman's should be carefully and kindly considered the free trader is for cheaper coat and Inglis coat and he does not seem to care that this involves a cheapening of the men and women who spin and we've cut and stitch in America but at the Republican convention in Chicago in the summer of eighteen eighty. Eight Harrison was not the front runner by any means. The Republican Party boasted a crowded field of potential candidates like former speaker of the house. James Blaine former president pro temporary of the Senate John Sherman and former Michigan Governor Russell. Alter so at the outset of the Convention Harrison the one term senator from Indiana was an afterthought but his words at the convention helped catapult him from Long Shot. Too Big shot. He took on Cleveland's tariff position arguing against what he called the paralyzing shadow of free trade. He largely avoided the controversial issue a federal patronage and instead united the Party around two issues the tariff and protecting black rights Harrison reminded the Republicans that the thirteenth fourteenth and fifteenth amendments which were collectively designed to free the slaves and guarantees citizenship to black Americans. Were the true legacy of the Republican Party. The legacy of the Democrats was rebellion. Sectional strife and oppression. They were the party of the old south. Republicans were the party of the future. Thanks in part to his eloquent speeches Harrison won the Republican nomination on the Eighth Ballot Levi. Morton a former congressman and wealthy banker was selected as his running mate and the platform that the Republicans adopted was a clear signal that the party was united around Harrison and protective tariffs it read. We are uncompromisingly. In favor of the American system protection we protest against its destruction as proposed by the president and his party after the convention. The New York Tribune stated the voters need to know what the tariff means what it does for them and what a Democratic victory would involve this year the Republican Party to depend upon facts and reasons. There must be argument at the beginning argument in the middle an argument to the end of the campaign so on the campaign trail. Republicans would try their best to draw a contrast between Harrison and Cleveland. But not just over the issue of tariffs they also pointed to issues of character and patriotism. Harrison had served in the army during the civil war and helped to put down the rebellion. Cleveland had paid a substitute to take his place. The contrast between the two candidates was also evident in their campaign styles. Cleveland would not openly campaign abiding by the political norms of the day and leaving his advocacy to his friends and supporters Harrison by contrast would launch an aggressive front porch campaign making a bevy speeches in front of thousands of Americans who flocked to his home in Indianapolis to hear his gospel of protectionism. Still the eighteen eighty eight contest would largely be fought not on the stump but in black and white both parties would use the press to push dubious narratives about their opposition candidate. Both parties would resort to dirty tricks and both candidates would find themselves on the receiving end of an October surprise. 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All right chance some little fun today. Bring me the flag on that quickly going. Certainly hope. So Captain Landry in his sailors hoist the American flag letting the Stars and stripes wave in the wind. Canadian Captain Quigley sitting on the dock nearby notices and calls them. I order you to strike your colors. You are under the Dominion Canada's Power and will not display your flag in such a manner captain. Landry knew that quickly would react exactly this way. But he wants to nettle. The Canadian who has been a thorn in his side for three days. Landry had sheltered investment shelburne harbour for twelve hours waiting out a storm for this harmless act quickly had find him and seized his fishing boat refusing to let landry and his crew get back to deep sea fishing in international waters. American sailors snigger as quickly gets red in the face but they can fly and lower the flag now or later though captain. Landry allows his sailors to raise the American flag again. Quigley hails from the dock again. I ordered you to strike your colors. New Americans laugh. They're tired of Quigley's pompous attitude but quickly has had enough he shouted to his men to grab their rifles. Armed Canadians. Board the Maryanne. Grimes quickly himself boards and looks deadly serious for the last time. Lower your flag. Laughter's Gone Captain Landry's no longer smiling. But he's also resolute. No you've no reason to keep our ship any longer. Take Your Amen. Quigley's men point their weapons at the Americans. The unarmed sailors back up quickly moves forward lowers the flag himself as he leaves the vessel to Canadian. Captain makes one last remark. You will not fly. This flag will stay my power until I say otherwise. Landry and his crew are furious. But there's nothing they can do quickly disembarked the Marion grimes with their flag. In hand the next day the American consulate finally gets the ship released. What it's too late to save their fishing season. Captain Landry's Bait has four. He and his crew returned to Boston. Empty-handed but in the aftermath of the incident. President Cleveland Souza Political Opportunity Shore up support for his presidency and win voters to his side and the always essential electoral state of New York in eighteen eighty six. Us fishermen did not technically have the right to fish in Canadian. Coastal waters in eighteen. Seventy one to two countries had drawn up a treaty that allowed Canadian and US fishermen to fish in one another's water and sell their goods in any port for a fee by the mid eighteen eighties. Americans had grown tired of paying Canada a premium for fishing privileges and so Congress withdrew from the treaty. Creating confusion and fueling animosity between Canadian officials and American fishermen Canadian custom houses started charging exorbitant fees and seizing. Us vessels like captain. Landry's Maryanne grimes. And after dozens of American ships received similar treatment Congress intervened in March eighteen eighty seven. They passed a retaliation act. This gave the president power to bar Canadian fishing vessels and any Canadian products from entering U S ports. Cleveland had the good sense not to use this power against one of his biggest trade partners. He asked his secretary of state to take care of the fishing rights issue who immediately began negotiating a new treaty with British Foreign Minister Chamberlain. Who Control Canadian foreign affairs but dealing with any Britain was politically dangerous. By the mid eighteen eighties anti-british sentiment ran high in the US. Grover Cleveland's position on lower tariffs was considered by many to be a boon to British manufacturers. Canada was also largely seen as a mere extension of the British Empire. This anti-british sentiment was especially strong. Among Irish Americans. In a key electoral state that would likely decide eighteen eighty contest New York so to appease Irish voters. Cleveland needed a treaty that favored America's interests over the interests of Canada. His Secretary of State delivered the Bayard Chamberlain Treaty of eighteen eighty eight accommodated American fishermen and ensured that no more American vessels would be detained. You went to the Senate for approval in February eighteen eighty eight but Senate Republicans saw chance to undermine the president's anti-british stance and we can his image with Irish voters in an election year. One senator told a British on boy that he would reject the Treaty. No mattress terms. We cannot allow the Democrats to take credit for settling so important a dispute but President Cleveland and Navy. Secretary William Whitney expected this from Senate Republicans in August. Eighteen eighty. Eight Whitney told a political ally. I want Cleveland to take the aggressive on the fishing question. And after they reject the treaty retaliate as suspected on August twenty first Senate. Republicans voted the treaty down. Twenty seven to thirty for these Republicans. The vote was less principled stance and more piece of Political Calculus Republicans. Hope to put Cleveland in the position of defending the treaty. His administration had negotiated regardless of the terms. The tree was fundamentally a deal with the British and Republicans wanted to cast Cleveland as the pro British candidate and president. Who PUT FOREIGN POWERS INTERESTS AHEAD OF AMERICA'S BUT CLEVELAND In more than defend the treaty? Two days after the vote he caught Republicans off guard. Cleveland sent a message to Congress. He denounce Canadian treatment of American sailors. He then asked Congress to give him retaliatory powers against Canada and lambasted Republican senators for rejecting the Treaty. With out attempt to amend it. The message was crafted to earn political points for Cleveland because he already had retaliatory powers against Canada and he knew that the treaty was a good deal for America and guaranteed American fishing rights. Cleveland's message to the Senate simply ensured that anti-british voters would see him take a strong stand against British interests. The White House went one step further. They leaked Cleveland's message to the press and ensured that favorable statements from Irish political leaders ran next to the taxed former Irish League president. James Mooney predicted. Cleveland's measures would have a good effect among all friends of Ireland and haters of England and in the days and weeks after the message leaked hundreds of of support from Irish families came flooding into Washington through deft. Maneuvering CLEVELAND HAD WRONGFOOTED. Republicans and had begun his reelection campaign on very solid ground. Harrison's Republican campaign of eighteen eighty eight look different from the previous election in one key way. Harrison's front porch campaign had him giving countless speeches from his own front porch in Indianapolis campaign managers hoped to avoid a fiasco like the eighteen eighty four Rom Roman ism and rebellion speech where an unscripted speaker had insulted voters and embarrassed Republican candidate. James Blaine they would not allow that to happen to Harrison. He himself explained. There is a great risk of meeting fool at home but the candidate who travels cannot escape him. So Republicans invited delegates special interest groups and supporters from all over the nation to Harrison's front porch when crowds grew too large to stand on his lawn or street hairs move to a nearby park with a stage ample seating he delivered over eighty speeches and always managed to work in his support of a high tariff Harrison was considered a cold aloof man attributes that earned him the nickname the human iceberg but his front porch speeches helped to soften his image make him seem approachable when he spoke to the. Tara hold railroad clump Harrison promise promotes safe conditions for rail workers and enact federal laws to guide labor disputes. He argued that a protectionist tariff benefited the railroads that do the transportation the working men who find steady employment at good wages the farmers who supply their needs. Harrison's eloquent speeches brought in droves of supporters Republicans needed to do more to unseat the incumbent president. They needed something to weaken their opponent needed an October surprise mere weeks before the election a Republican leaked a letter from British native and naturalized American named Charles F. Murchison to Sir Lionel Sackville West the British ambassador to the US in the letter Murchison asked the British ambassador which presidential candidate was best for Great Britain. Murchison explained that he was personally inclined towards Cleveland whom he called favorable and friendly to British interests virtuous and also wrote the Cleveland was for British natives. The one above all Americans they consider their own and their countries best friend but Murchison was concerned about one thing Cleveland's aggressive stance towards Canada. He wrote that if Cleveland intends to cease his policy where his reelection is secured in November and again favor England's interest. The Nice should have no further doubts. But go ahead and vote for him. I apply to you privately. And confidentially for information such information if favorable to Mr Cleveland would enable me to assure many of our countrymen that they would do England service by voting for Cleveland. British ambassador Sackville West responded to the letter claiming the Cleveland was absolutely great. Britain's man he wrote. You're probably aware that any political party. That openly favoured the mother country at the present moment would lose popularity and that the party in power is fully aware of this fact. Ambassador explained that Cleveland would have to downplay his pro British sensibility on the campaign trail but once elected he would return to a spirit of conciliation towards the British newspapers across. The country published the letters irate. Irish Americans in New York stopped campaigning. For Cleveland One Republican campaign later wrote to Harrison the Sackville enter is having a wonderful effect on the Irish here and proves more at the dash of a sentence than we could buy argument during the whole campaign. Cleveland was shocked. He couldn't believe that sappho would do such a stupid thing as vouch for the president's political intentions in a ladder with a stranger a week after the letter appeared. Cleveland fired Sackville West but the damage had been done. Republicans distributed thousands of copies of the letter at an Irish protectionist tariff rally in New York City. They claimed it was proof. That Cleveland was in the pocket of the British. But it wasn't proof of anything Mr Murchison the British native and naturalized American. Who wrote the letter was not British at all? He was an American a Republican from California a political operative named George. Osgood be acting on his own. Osgood be written to Sackville West. On the ambassador. Had responded Oscar be published the letters he hoped that Sackville West? Promise that Cleveland would return to a pro. British stance would offend Irish voters. And it did all of the political points that Cleveland had garnered through the American fishing rights crisis seemed to be melting away. Things got worse for Cleveland when in early October evidence surfaced suggesting Democrats in New York were actively buying votes for Cleveland. Desperate to find a scandal of equal proportions Cleveland's campaign would lash out accusing Republicans of buying votes in New York for Harrison. In the end the Democrats attempt to fight fire with fire would backfire. Cleveland's popularity would be severely weakened and the Harrison campaign seized the opportunity. It's Wednesday October. Thirty first eighteen eighty eight in New York City a reporter for the New York Evening Post walks to the hotel room of colonel. William Dudley Dudley. Is the Republican National Committee treasurer and a personal friend of presidential candidate Harrison? The report holds a copy of a letter recently printed in the Indianapolis Sentinel the latter gives instructions on how Republican campaigners should go about buying votes Indiana newspaper. Tributes letter to Dudley reporter wants to get Dudley side of the story. Excuse me do I have the pleasure speaking with Colonel Dudley. What you want. Reporters Shows Dudley the printed. Leonard Sir. Did you send out? The circular Dudley doesn't even glance at the letter. He knows what is he knows what it says. The circular as published is a forgery. Did you send a circular substantially the same as this? I won't answer. I will only say that this letter as published is a forgery sir. Are you aware that the Democratic National Committee Chairman Calvin Brice claims this letter and your signature upon it are genuine Dudley size? He was not aware of that. But it doesn't change the facts of the case a few weeks ago. A similar letter from Democratic campaign organizer Authorizing Democrats to buy votes was leaked to the press. From Dudley's point of view it's parent white chairman. Bryce would claim that his party is innocent and the Republicans are actually the villainous vote. Buyers donelly enters the reporter's questions carefully. I will say only this. The letter is a base forgery. They attribute to me words that I never used. I propose to prosecute every paper that has published this alleged letter what inaccuracies do you notice in the letter? He looks over the latter response. Many entire letters distorted and mutilated. Forgeries appear everywhere. I know time now to stop and point them out. Well Sir. A satisfactory way of settling the matter may be publishing the original letter the evening post would prey. Forthwith but Dudley looks appalled at the suggestion. I'm not going to give away my case before trial. Fi. Save for the last time. This entire letter is a deliberate forgery. Every paper that should print it will be prosecuted for Libel Dudley Slams. The door and the reporter walks away when he didn't get much but he got enough for an update in tomorrow's paper. The Dudley letter was found by a democratic mail clerk. Curious about the large number of letters coming into Indiana from Republican Party headquarters. The clerk read one. He realized that held an answer to the vote. Buying accusations being thrown at Democrats the clerk sent the damning letter to the Indiana Democratic State Central Committee and they published it. Dudley publicly disavowed. The letter's contents. He sued the paper that I printed it but his friend and candidate Harrison. Stay Silent Dudley. Circular went public on Wednesday October. Thirty first eight hundred eighty eight only six days before the election. It was the scandal. Cleveland needed to pull attention away from the damaging. Osgood letter but it also had an adverse effect. The scandal highlighted that Democrats had also been accused of vote buying on October eighth. The Indianapolis Journal published a letter from a Democratic County chairman instructing. His precinct workers on how to buy votes. It read in part mark every voter. Who has to have money as afloat look closely after everyone let no one escape. Dudley's letter to Republican County. Chairman had the same tone put a trusted man with necessary funds to make responsible that all vote our ticket. There will be no doubt to receiving the necessary funds through the national state and county committees only see that is made to produce results. Both parties face public scrutiny. But most of it fell on Dudley. He was on the national. Republican Committee. Scandal had the potential to hurt Harrison. All across the country and especially in New York the Empire State was Cleveland's home and Democrats tirelessly to maintain his base there. The Dudley Leonard was strong ammunition against Harrison. The Democrats did their best to use it to shore up support for Cleveland and while Republicans hoped to steal Cleveland's home state away from him. They faced an uphill battle. Cleveland had strengthened his public image by marrying two years prior to the election. One newspaper editor equipped. It will be much harder to win against both Mr and Mrs Cleveland because Democratic campaigners knew how to use Francis Cleveland's public appeal campaign posters featured. Her husband his running mate and her but Cleveland's emerge wasn't bulletproof. A Sackville letter hurt his chances so too did his strong stance on a lower tariff when party leaders asked him to soften his rhetoric. Cleveland responded. What is the use of being elected or re-elected unless you stand for something on Tuesday November sixth eighteen eighty eight voters went to the polls in droves anxious vote-buyers went with them both Democratic and Republican precinct workers had cash on hand to sway undecided? Voters one party worker said his political counterparts had lots of two dollar bills. And so did we. But these methods did not have much effect since both parties attempted to buy off undecided voters in might be said that their efforts cancel each other out. And the Dudley letter had election workers on high alert New York City chief. Federal election supervisor. John Davenport hired hundreds of temporary poll workers to watch for and prevent fraud. One historian has noted that as a result of the Dudley letter. The election of eighteen eighty eight was the cleanest in years. The OSGOOD BE Dudley. Scandals rocked the final leg of the campaign but the largest scandal on Election Day. Eighteen eighty eight received little if any press coverage. Black voter intimidation ran. Rampant as suppression of black votes continued in the south along with Jim. Crow laws unfair and confusing rules polling places discourage black voters and while outright violence was rare in eighteen eighty eight wide election officials certainly knew how to keep black voters away from the polls using fear and intimidation. And of course if any black did manage to vote holing officials could make their ballots disappear as one Mississippi Democrat declared. The niggers can vote if they want to. The we count the votes. You can just bet your bottom dollar that the white men are going to stay on top late on November. Six Cleveland sat in the White House as election. Results poured in from all over the country as expected. Cleveland won the solid south. He also took Connecticut and New Jersey. But only by a thin margin Harrison won his home state of Indiana but the real lynch pin was again New York. Many Irish voters abandoned Cleveland. Believing him to be in the pocket of the British as a result. Cleveland lost his home state by mere fourteen thousand boats by midnight. The president knew it was over. Harrison won the presidency with two hundred thirty three electoral votes to Cleveland's one sixty eight. In retrospect Cleveland realized he could have softened his tone on the tariff issue. But that would have gone against his principles. The lame duck president told a friend. Perhaps I made a mistake from the party standpoint but dammit I was right. Cleveland publicly admitted defeat on November seventh. When asked to explain his loss he riley said it was mainly because the other party had the most votes. But IT WASN'T CLEVELAND. Won The popular. Vote Garnering one hundred thousand more votes than Harrison but Harrison One New York and Indiana critical states that gave him a majority in the Electoral College. It was the third election in American history in which the victor did not win the popular. Vote as Benjamin Harrison prepared to reinstate the Republican Party in the White House the republican-leaning press could not have been happier on November eighth eighteen. Eighty eight the pro. Republican New York Tribune declared also be thankful that under the rule of the grand old party. These United States will resume the onward and upward March. The Republican Party nickname grand old party have been used sporadically for a few years. But with this article celebrating Harrison's election it became official after the election of eighteen eighty eight. The Republican Party had a new monitor the GOP while Harrison geared up for his first term. The young Cleveland family prepared to retreat into Civilian Life Francis. Cleveland had thrived as first lady and she felt the loss deeply but she felt something else to a desire to return to the fold in March. Eighteen eighty nine Francis. Cleveland told the White House Steward I want you to take good care of all the furniture and ornaments house for. I WanNa find everything just as it is now when we come back again. Baffled sermon asked what she meant and Francis Cleveland added. We are coming back just four from today in the election of Eighteen. Ninety two grover. Cleveland would again run for reelection. Cleveland would seek to make history hoping to become the only Democrat to win his party's nomination in three separate presidential elections and the first president to serve two nonconsecutive terms what to win back the White House. Cleveland would have to contend with more than just president Harrison and the Republicans. He would also have to get the best of a burgeoning third party movement known as the Populist Party this radical faction largely made up a farm which challenged the status quo Garner and impressive chunk of the popular vote. Threatened to make America's third two party system a three way race on the next episode of wicked game the election of eighteen ninety two Benjamin Harrison. The centennial president survives a deadly strike an international conflict and the massacre at wounded knee but during his campaign for reelection. The death of a loved one threatens to deprive Harrison of a second term. Don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty hit the subscribe button and your podcast APP now. This show is supported by you. Our listeners please give us a rating and leave a review but the single best way to help this show grow is to tell others share with your friends and family and find us on social media at wicked game part. I'm at Lindsey Graham. 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"I welcome back to the Sodano show Allen Seaway Andy Kamsky filling in for George Sodano on. ESPN LA Ak You you. You can't making that reference and what we're going to break down the cowboys and the rams was game coming up this Sunday but real quick you kept referencing the two thousand nine team some of the similarities. Yeah I mean they're just as that team and I covered them for the La Times with Brian. They were coming off just that emasculating. Humiliating loss against this team six. They lost by thirty nine to the Celtics in Boston and gatorade shower on the floor. I mean I I was there. I was actually in Boston for that. And like I've never been in the locker room like that afterwards army where players. I like didn't know what to say. We we as media didn't even know what to ask 'em sure like is that me. It was surreal to see a team get beat that badly especially team like that. That was good. They were really really good and they came into the two thousand nine season. With the this this type of hyper focus and you know just driven to the point of obsession with a championship that I've never really been around a team. That was that intense. That wasn't feuding a loved by the way yeah. I love the by the way it was that lost to the Boston. Celtics that probably got the Lakers two. NBA Championships. So if you beat the Boston Celtics there. I'm I'm obviously just speculating. Here is that hunger there. Is that chip on your shoulder there. They got smacked by the Boston. Celtics and the way they lost that game six that probably propelled them first of all. They got that championship. The next year against Orlando but it was the following year. It was like wait a minute. It we get another shot at these guys. It wasn't just about it's an. You're playing them in the finals or your. You have another opportunity in the finals. It was we get a chance to go up against. It's the team that beat us to give. This was so fun. There's actually one of my favorite memories covering that era of the Lakers was the Lakers actually punched their ticket it to the finals before it was Boston and Orlando they. They were deciding who would go to the finals and Lakers were already done. They'd beaten Phoenix. So they're waiting to find out who they playing around these practices and naturally were. You know we're asking. I'm not asking dumb question but a lot of people are asking me. Who would you rather play and to a man? You're getting these just cliche. tropes both teams are really good. You know it doesn't matter you know. We're just focusing on US right now that we're just it's all about us. Everyone knows their line. Fine until you get to Andrew Bynum who God bless him has no filter whatsoever. We want Boston. Oh we totally want those guys and he finally said what everybody was thinking but of course you're right. They wanted that Opportunity for redemption against that team. I remember Kobe. After they won was talking to the media is like we were lying. And you guys the whole time you know we. We wanted Boston. Toby we had no idea. Thank you for taking US behind the curtain and letting us know what it is is kind of funny that that game aim against the Celtics back in two thousand eight. I WANNA look injuries. Happen right but even that one you hear so much while we'll perkins didn't play in that game seven here at Staples Center under bynum and Trevor Rees over injuring that two thousand and eight NBA. It's part of the deal. I mean someone is still bring it up twelve years later Hashtag tag never forget. It is part of the deal that does happen. You don't have to be the best thing the health the healthiest and the hottest at the right time. Okay so obviously a a huge game for the Los Angeles Rams this weekend against the Dallas Cowboys Couple of days ago Kurkin I were filling in for for George Sodano and I kind of walked into the show thinking. I don't think the the rams are getting in by the time Kirk was done with his speech. I'm like they're getting any given Sunday They're getting in and they're the most dangerous team once once they get in. which actually by the way? I do believe that if they get in. They need some help. So it's not like it's just the rams rams take on the Dallas cowboys cowboys lost four of their last five games. There obviously are actually they start the season off three and they've lost seven of of their last ten games in total. But it's not just about the Dallas cowboys this weekend but if we want to just look at the game against the cowboys this weekend What what do you think Rams chances are they're starting to click. Cowboys are obviously on kind of a spiral downward well. They're the better team right now. I mean the last couple weeks the rams have been and better than Dallas. I was actually in the locker room after they beat Seattle and it was interesting. Hearing these guys talk about how they they know Allen that their our fate is ultimately not entirely in their control. They're chasing Minnesota. I personally think Minnesota has a little bit easier of record or I can start schedule in front of them and Minnesota the chargers this weekend yeah And always make it tough that win or lose and this is why charges will make a tough is because their games don't matter her anymore right right when when it matters least chargers will out of nowhere win loss. It's also like a Minnesota Vikings home game because there I guarantee there will be plenty in that style in those stands and their final two games from Minnesota Green Bay at home and Chicago at Home Chicago though May Chicago's Out of even the Faintest playoff hopes by then they know who your Green Bay game by the way. That's the game the game which which look a week a week away from the Sunday. It's the rams and the forty niners. That's I this is kind of like the season right and and somebody said it and this happens Alon sports play offs already. started the rams. Oh yeah the this. Is You gotTa Win every game but you need some help in the bone was interesting though. Talking to like Andrew Whitworth or Jared Goff for some of the guys in that locker room like they recognize a in all likelihood they have to win out like they really cannot lose a game. I mean if not mathematically just realistically that you'd be asking the Vikings to lose the two rams out of their final threat you you have to win out in and they know this and they also know that they could win out and it still may not be enough uh-huh and the attitude about it was very zen hearing these guys talk about. I think they recognize like look. We're playing well enough that we could be a playoff team but we put ourselves in this mess. Ultimately we're the only people who can potentially pull ourselves out of it and if it's not enough it's our own fault we're in it in the first place and there's nothing we can do about it so there's no reason worrying about it like there's there's no way of putting like I mean like they they don't seem mm-hmm daunted by it. I think it's lit a candle right. There opposite started putting it. I just think they recognize like look man. It's our faults. Yeah we should not be in this. I mean they. We talked about injuries earlier with with the Lakers over the course of history with the playoffs. They've had some legitimate engineering issues across the line. BRANDIN COOKS MISSED A couple of games. Robert Woods is missed a game. You Know Todd Gurley has not been used like Todd Gurley for whatever reason because we're never getting a straight answer. Yeah Yeah but you know the rams have not been themselves for a lot of this but ultimately I think they would say it's their fault. They're you're in this position it's up to them to try to pull themselves out of it and all they can do is just they can hold up there into the bargain and if it's not enough it's not enough you know it's interesting thing ak I I know that sometimes happens in sports Probably I would say the NFL more than any other sport if the rams get in and if they find a way to get in. That's not a team. ANYBODY IS GONNA WANNA face because for them to get in. They'll probably going to have to have won in five games in a row leading up. They'll have to beat the San Francisco. Forty niners beating Seattle. They'll be Seattle and handled Seattle but it it. It's kind of one of those. It's not uncommon to see these wildcard teams. Get in and they got in at the right time. They're gelling at the right time. Other teams maybe They had their best punch a little bit earlier in the season. No one's GONNA WANNA fake. Imagine if you got in and you got rams in your first game due to To kick off the post. Here's the thing though I mean and not to be pollyanna about this because the rams have spent a lot of this year looking like a pretty average to you okay but not great teams are the only reason it's been no worthies. We spent the whole season on. What the Hell's wrong with them? Yeah like what injuries aside like. They've even playing bad and in some ways playing illogical or inexplicable in the game plan like in ways that have nothing to do with injury. Like what's going on over. The last injuries given up fifty plus to Tampa not injuries. I mean there's there have been issues with this team that you're just wondering why are they doing it this way like. Why is Todd Gurley getting so few touches you know? Why are you allowing this? You know if you're Sean mcvay. Why are you allowing this to be a case? In a way that it has trickle down effect for the entire offense. Offense makes Jared Goff a lesser quarterback. Golf is responsible for his own decisions when he's out there and golf has needed to pick it up but when you're talking about threatened the backfield backfield to make his life. Nobody is more important for the rams offense in terms of it being as dangerous Akanbi than talk girling period Like like their ceiling. If you WANNA hit it is todd Gurley being utilized like Todd Gurley and then everything from L. from their falls into place. Yeah it seems like And I know you know. It's almost like Lakers road trip right. We're already looking ED and Miami's a tough game tomorrow but we weren't really paying attention Orlando. We're not paying ATTENTION ATLANTA. We're not paying attention couple of these teams for the rams. I feel like it's a very similar situation. You're assuming they go into Dallas and I'm not saying that that's an easy game but statistically the way the cowboys men playing versus the way the rams are playing you're assuming that they just take care of business and I can't help but look at the game against the forty niners. That'd be careful though because the one thing you don't want to I was going to say hobbies are desperate and Philadelphia's tied with them now they somebody will go from the NFC east. Well that's the rule goes. There's they have the tiebreaker right now on Philly and the last game of the season I think is Philly Dallas in Philadelphia. So that's that's That's obviously cowboys have no margin for Arizona L. and locks forty five so they're going to be desperate as are the rams obviously to Come out when the game I do coming up next. We got todd. Archer covers the Dallas cowboys for. ESPN will have him hop on the show. Give us a little bit of background on on the cowboys. How things are here? Some of these stories about Urban Meyer. Jason Garin all this stuff. So we'll we'll get all that we'll get archers opinion on it. Stay right here. This is a sodano show. So Alan. See One Andy Cabinet ski fill in for George on. ESPN LA. I welcome back to the Sodano show Allen and Andy came Nikki filling in for pseudo todd archer richer covers the dallas cowboys for. ESPN hopping on the Sodano. Show talk thanks for taking a few minutes up on the show. Yeah no worries how we doing. We're doing good we got Got A big game for both franchises. Coming up on Sunday. We'll start with this. I just want to get your get your thoughts. Dallas controls their own destiny. Obviously if they went out and I know they've been struggling last four of their last five game seven of their last ten. What is your thoughts on the confidence of where? There's franchises is Thinking that they have a legitimate chance of getting to the postseason of course. They're they're big challenge coming up this weekend against the rams it strange is to say because of everything you just said. They lost ten lost three in a row. Four or five They're under five hundred. They even have the chance now. All the guys in the locker room that we've talked to during the week and said they feel fortunate to be in this physician. Still have this chance and they know they need to come out because pretty soon they're not going going to have this chance now win or lose Sunday against the rams they'll still be in position to win the division because the how bad the NFC is. But I I think for this team to put away some of this bad feelings around it. They need a win the team with a winning record since last year and the schedule shakes out. They don't have another chance to do it again unless they make the playoffs Th this year due to be the team of winning record so I think they're looking at this as a game where they can kind of right. The wrongs of the of the last month and a half say and kind of get back on track to where they think they can contend and do more than just win the NFC NFC or it's interesting though because the rams had actually been in that same position of having a write their own wrongs. They've mentioned that the last couple of games what specifically has been the biggest issues issues for Dallas specifically when it comes to stuff that may be problematic against the rams. Well it's really at all the the entire operation and In so many ways but On defense they don't take the ball away enough They don't make critical stops. They can't get off the field A A predictable easy defense to figure out which. That's always been the case when you look at this game. You know what they're gonNA do but they're missing too many tackles they're trying they're getting themselves selves out of their gaps and allowing big place As as I said they can't take the ball away. You can't create any takeaways and then you look offense. It's the first time in Franchise Manchester. They've had a four thousand yard. Passer Thousand Yard rusher thousand-year-old receiver all in the same season. Well that should tell you that they should be pretty good but now lately they they can't score any points they can't get they can't make big plays on third down they. They're having a hard time. Getting Chunk. Plays now so everything's Kinda gone wrong. And they might as so special teams in their their kicker. They just replaced this week while he missed ten field goal attempts mostly in the League so kind of everything that has gone. Could go wrong to these guys has. And they've not been able to Jason Garrett says they've not been able to handle the adversities of the season very well soon as one thing goes wrong either side they kinda just fold and that's been that certainly wasn't his team demo last year when they rebounded from a three and five star Thanh covers the Dallas cowboys for ESPN hopping on the Sodano. Show out sue and Auntie cabinet ski here. Todd let's say let's say things don't work out all the opportunities that the cowboys have had this season to get into the postseason in order to win the division. Hypothetically let's say they lost to the cow or they lost to the rams and then they lose that game against Philadelphia Eagles to close out the season. What do you think happens is in the off season? Where is the finger pointed just adjacent? Gary How do you think things play out. Yeah he's The guy who rented the season without a contract extension For Twenty Twenty and beyond so clearly he will he will not be back and honestly. I don't know you know just winning the division and getting into the playoffs. That's probably really not enough to save his job so But if they if they were not make the playoffs for sure. You're looking at a new head coach. Probably knew a lot of new assistant coaches and and truthfully there's turnover every year on Rosser for the cowboys right now. Have only thirty eight players signed for next season. There's some big decisions to make in terms of free reagents and guys on one year deal that that they'd have to make that You know you'd be looking at a completely different rostrum. Twenty twenty as well as new coaches. So this is a this is a big moment for everybody This last three weeks to either save jobs here or make. Sure you're getting job somewhere else next and correct me if I'm wrong but Dak Prescott. It has still not gotten his extension correct right. He's not but that he. He's not going anywhere they they. They've made their decision that he's their guy And it might head down the franchise tag Lane here when we get the march but the the he will not be he's not a guy they're moving on from there they're all Daqing want him to be the guy for twenty twenty through hectic the next five or six years so that they're not moving from it. You mentioned before Tom. We're talking with todd. Archer covers I the Dallas cowboys four. ESPN that Jason Garrett. His job is on thin ice right now. If they don't make the playoffs most likely gone could be gone on even if they do make it. I guess to question for you one. What's kept him around so long? Because I know for cowboys fans it's been incredibly frustrating and and then what's the direction you think. They'll go in if he doesn't up getting fired. You know. The first part is when he took over this team and twenty eleven after Wade Phillips was like in the middle of the two thousand ten season this team in transition and they really rebuilt on the fly in twenty eleven twelve twelve and thirteen. They weren't a super bowl team despite all the stuff. I'm sure we can find Jerry Jones talking about them being a team that can win the Super Bowl so in two thousand fourteen. He hit it right. Answer that season without a contract extension as well they go twelve and four winning a playoff game lose controversially up in Green Bay earns his contract extension. And then you know and so he gets at deal on twenty sixteen thirteen and three with a rookie quarterback rookie running back Twenty the eighteen. They make the playoffs after three and five start. It's not been good enough from the from the standard of what the cowboys have. When you look at super bowls if you judge it all and that? But he's he's not a guy that has been awful either. He's been just good enough and I think now you're in a situation where Luke manages nine seasons in it's Kinda remain the same a change for change's sake sometimes what has to happen and then as far as direction that they go man I mean Jerry Jerry will do you and has shown he will do whatever he wants In in a number of respects I never. I don't think anybody thought bill parcells would have been the cowboys coach. But he got him so I can see. I'm trying to make the big swing for Sean Payton. Whose even though he's under contract in New Orleans trying to get him but but also know the big time college coaches with Lincoln Riley Bourbon Meyer? These guys go go play at them. Look at the assistant coaches available. But there's not this great candidate out there unless I'm missing it Where you say back the guy that will take the team over the top but I do think when they guy gets here? Whoever it is inherited inherited team Bakken win pretty pretty good right away and and I'm not saying it'd be Jon Gruden Tampa but the possibility would exist that they bet the next coach could do something like that? Does it help if you're Johnny Walker. Blue man like sheriff. Have you ever had the pleasure of having a Johnny Walker Blue With Jerry. I have yes Yeah I have first of all. How good is the Scotch ridiculous? I'm not even Scott Guy but even I knew that was pretty good. How does he take? How does Jerry take throw some ice cubes in there? and He's good to go so you need. That's it's all you need. I fought final question with all your experience around the cowboys how do you. How do you think this this kind of plays out this game against the a Los Angeles Rams how do you think it plays out on Sunday and do you think that the cowboys get into the post season or not? You Know I. I wish I could give you a good answer. You're like oh I'm syncing this and practice or or others but you know they. They started out three. Oh lost three in a row. And then they came back near their best game against Philadelphia After for that to get to four and three since then they've not been the same. I think the last ten games is more of indication of what this team is. As opposed to the first three so will it would surprise me. If the rams didn't leave eight hundred eighty more the win Then again that doesn't mean the cowboys will make the playoffs because it will be the week sixteen game against it's philly and then week seventeen against Washington it will determine it but the the the five around the team and maybe it's just being too close to it. It's not not looking good for the cowboys right now this week but they can still win this division as dumb as that sound and that will give them hope going into that. Eagles all came through Sunday time process. You take some time and hopping on the Sodano show. Todd Archer covers the Dallas cowboys for. ESPN todd you gotTA. Thanks guys appreciate it. I didn't want to go too far down this rabbit hole with Todd Allen but it's a little bit disappointing to hear the Jerry takes that Johnny Walker blue. I'm just saying in both of our guests so far. Dr One question was about the cigars. The next question with the next guest is about the Johnny Walker. Blue Scotch and cigars. I already see your life offense like outside of the closer the weekend my you know my mind drifts to certain places I just I I hope I mean look I mean Johnny. I know that with the Johnny Johnny Walker Blue. The Jerry's pacing himself over the course of a game. But I'd like to think that he's not completely doing in that. Just high-end Scotch with too much ice maybe one qb just open it up. Yeah that's that's all you need right there Aka. Let's do this. Jared Dudley. Yesterday was in a was in a brawl. So Brawl in Orlando Jared Dudley obviously has a specific role with the Los Angeles Lakers. He got thrown out of the game. Lakers win in Orlando. Let's talk about Jared Dudley. Only when we come back the Sodano show ounce Andy Cabinet ski filling in for George on. ESPN LA all right. Thank you to todd. Archer covers the Dallas cowboys for. ESPN hopping on. It's going to be a fun game the rest of the schedule however however it kind of plays itself out the. NFL has so many good storylines right right now the AFC the NFC stack. Does they are It's GonNa be a fun game this weekend. Cowboys and the And and and the Rams I think it's really GonNa be fun to with the Rams is going down to the wire air because hopefully they. They handled Dallas. You know stay pace to try to get that wildcard spot. They have huge game against San Fran then even Arizona Arizona. They're not an easy. I mean the rams last game with them not with solid. I'm sure they are typically not an easy out and even though Arizona has nothing to play for. They're still going to have their guys out there. Here's what they have to play for. Can we ruined the rams season. Yeah I mean the spoiler is when you have nothing to get up for. That's a game you there. There's this can. We not only ruined the rams season but can cuyler Murray be the guy that ruins zor season of cuyler Murray becomes the guy that the second time around you know picks up on some earlier defensive tendencies going into next all of us because these are two of the higher profile quarterbacks in this suddenly really good division look into your negativities has to stop. This has to stop Did you see that. Play from Jared Dudley. Yesterday today yes it was it was all out brawl in Orlando. I actually thought it was comical. Show yesterday jared Dudley gets thrown out. Dwight Howard Little little hand slapping and then Jared Dudley pushes. Maybe two guys before the guy that he's actually trying to push just kind of moving the pilot he put it How is that an ejection action by the way can you? Can you just help me understand you. Want to hear Jared Dudley. I urge action. I here's Jared Dudley courtesy spectrum. Sports yesterday Lakers Over the Orlando Magic. Think for one. It was multiple guys. And you know who's getting ship you already with a lot of fouls I'm being called both ways and then for that you know push someone in the back so it's just a push. I thought I should double check second. They WanNa Jack Jack other big of a deal for you that just stand up your guys. Sometimes it's pushing. Sometimes it's hard thousand times. It's whatever you have to do this time a push and I could really get to them so I just pushed the pile minister and make sure everybody moves pushed the policy. Bush put the basketball. The Bush Bush perfect. It was the rare quadruple technical. Double ejection like you. Don't see that action like what happened. All we need to action the one. That's an injection. Well first they always go after the third or fourth guy. Because they're looking they're looking for the people that really have no dog in the fight. Scher but like Dwight light and was it gave out of nowhere. It was Jonathan Isaac with Dwight wasn't Isaac I can't remember I don't remember who it was dwight but like those guys had a direct act dog in the fight but then you start getting and neither of them cared. Both of them. Were kind of like walking away but then you get the third especially. Let's be honest. Dudley Dudley. was really really taken this thing up. Here's what he was the equivalent of. And this is what I always think is the most amazing thing about the mouse at the palace you know the Pistons Pistons the Pacers. When Meta went then run? Our test went into the stands. I don't condone what he did. Of course and as much as that fan instigated instigated him. You cannot have players going into the stands Ron got suspended should have been suspended. I Love Meta. He's a great guy. Yeah needed to get suspended. But but at least he was directly addressing something that happened directly to him. He had a dog in the fight. When Stephen Jackson went into the stand Steve You could see he was like man? I need never get an opportunity to something like this again. I am going Ham. Stephen I get to hit fans like I do this. Oh well yeah. By the way Gordon trying to protect Ron. He wasn't trying to. I'm all for like I. I'm not a fan of these fights at all like I. I hate seeing any of it what we saw yesterday. I don't know if this is just today's NBA but I think even in today's NBA. You would have thought something. Dangerous happened on the court yesterday. Literally nothing happened. How's that not just a technical for everybody and let's get back out here employees? I think they're basically saying jared and I forget who is the other guy that got ejected. Yeah basically saint knock it off. You guys are being you guys are bringing nonsense to this. AD on Jared Dudley play. Those play well Off Threes Some good things are moving fast. One office advantages for wages. Assume He. He's he always as already know. They played the game basketball so anytime he's ready. Oh was a guy like that. Who's always he's ready on no matter what? It's funny because Dudley as much as we talk about people knowing their roles right part of Dudley's role is this right. He's that veteran for the Lakers occurs. You saw last year when he was in Brooklyn Was it against Ben. Simmons Him and Ben Simmons were the ones kind of Chirpin at each other. But this is going to be as well. And we're not gonNA always see Jared Dudley said. Yesterday he knows he's GonNa play forty to fifty games at Max but this is his. This is what at this stage of his career which by the way he three three pointers yesterday. You know that was obviously. WHO's for the the Lakers? But this is his role now. Yeah I tweeted out during the game yesterday at Camp. Brothers Jared Dudley was signed by the Lakers to serve as both a hothead and cooler head depending on the situation nation like he's brought in to be that cool head veteran but also the guy that goes in there and scraps on behalf of his teammates. Like let's be honest. There was no real reason for for Jared Dudley to do what he did I mean. I don't know zero reason right. I deal not upset by reason to Lakers Miami Heat tomorrow. Michael Thomson has claimed that that is the toughest road game of the year and has nothing to do with basketball reason. Oh but on top of the basketball reasons. Miami's a pretty damn good team right now. They are on their second in the Eastern Conference. I think ten and Owen Home Teno at home. So they haven't lost Obviously a home game yet in their last win was against was against trae young in the Atlanta Hawks when trae young called. It's over six. It's still a minute left by the way. What is your if you're a player way? At what point is it okay to call. It's over because I think up six with a minute left on the road and they have the ball. That doesn't sound safe. I mean look I like a good idea. I'm a big fan of Yolo. Oh so I do it like up by two one possession. Other team has the ball up by two three forty eight left in the first Gordon. Yes that's game okay. It's over dangerously. I'm the type of guy that you know I'm in Vegas. I got twenty. I hit I will say that so that that's the last time that's the last time they played probably the game. They ended up winning by fourteen. By the way and overtime there are eleven and all actually at home so they're eighteen and six overall second the best record in the Eastern Conference look. I don't know how long this is GonNa last. 'cause you know Boston's a good team philly. I thought philly would be the class of the Eastern Conference Toronto Toronto playing some good basketball but Miami has proved they can hang with a lot of good teams. We we were talking earlier about Andrea Gonzala. Miami's the type of team that I could see. Maybe deciding writing you know what we overbid by ten to fifteen percent to get Andrea Gonzala. Because we're a good team right now. We may be ahead of the schedule. We don't know what we're going to be a difference yet. Jimmy Jimmy Butler. As great as he's playing he's you know he spent years under tibbs and that can age a man very quickly. You know Jimmy Butler had injury issues before like try to get this now. Throughout outlook either DOLLA can fit on a number of teams. You mentioned that if he landed in Denver Enver Houston or one of these other teams. But that's where Miami sits right now. You obviously can't overlook the Miami Heat Lakers got to Miami. Last night is when they flew obviously from Orlando Indo- so there there I think for three nights. Oh there's a lot of time it live. This is what I tried to do in the in the post game tried saying. Can they go out tonight and then just take tomorrow off. Relax and then get the win in Miami and then go out again on Friday. I had it all planned out. I don't know if they're going to stick to that I mean here's the problem album on one hand you've got. Lebron is the leader of this team. He has been hyper focus. This year is higher season. I think he said a tone top down that the entire team corresponded to either way yesterday and post game. Just listening to him. I loved hearing. He sounded angry like they got the win right but he was like we shot awful from the free throw line. We did this wrong. We did that wrong to go on your point of Focus. But here's the other problem. Miami's his town. Miami is his town. Aw No question. He's got in my and got people to see he's got places to give connections is no nobody knows the best spots to go to and you you never know if there's a few people that he wants to see and wants to have a dinner before that meeting you never know what turns the whole team. Just go to go to applebees closes at ten well. That's how Michael Thomson Rather Nice. He describes the way it was on the road for him during showtime. That's exactly how it was on the road so they got the Miami Heat tomorrow night. Then you've got the Atlanta Hawks followed by Indiana and Milwaukee. If you're GONNA give your little prediction one down four games to go on this road. Oh trip how do you think they do tomorrow against Miami W.'ll loss. I think they're going to win that game. Actually I do that one. That one to me seems like the biggest challenge of all the games does it. I'm not downplaying the Milwaukee game but just getting to that Milwaukee game is is one of those and to have Miami about a week prior to that That's going to be a tough one tomorrow. So so you got them winning in Miami. Yes okay Atlanta you and I can suit up with Lebron Caruso and we'll win by four and then you got Indiana Pacers which is kind of a another kind of quiet sneaky. Last year Lakers Pacers Pacers. They loo- out the Lakers. They've been really good. They don't even Victor Drove Depot Sixteen and nine seven of their last ten. And then they close it up against the Milwaukee Bucks. I hate to say it. I think Milwaukee as the closer for this road trip tripped. Yeah he's going to be extremely difficult like that's big for them if I had. You've if you think about it okay. That's as much as you know the Lakers WanNa make a statement achievement. That's a very big game for the Milwaukee yet own statement in their own right and how about how about Anthony Davis and he honest. Yeah how about that. I mean they're they're two of you know the people in discussion for MVP. But they are the two people for Defensive Player of the year. And I mean like it's GonNa be interesting to see see like the idea of could win both Because the way he's playing right now he could legitimately win both of those awards so he would. What say that again? MVP and defensive player the year eighteen so good on defense he has though been so good he has now. He's been no argument. And by the way. And that's that's just that's just giving love to where credit words do what you honest has done. The season obviously has been amazing. As well I ak so what we don't know is if coups Ma is going to go in any of these upcoming Games Obviously the Lakers just got back. Avery Bradley we'll see on John. Rondo when we come back. Let's do this. I WANNA get your thoughts on what we talked to her a little bit about Kyle. KUZMA SMA but there's been an expectation on Kyle Kuzma Walking into this season and I don't know if it's been fair or it's not but definitely he's been talked about a lot amongst laker fans. We'll do that coming up next. This is a Sodano Show Allen C.. When Andy Cameron it's filling in for George on ESPN La? I welcome back to the Sodano show Allen Sliwa anticommunist minuscule filling in for George here on. ESPN LA Georgia's. Just kind of big time does not mean big time. Does he was out in Toronto watching quite get a ring. Yeah Yeah. He was On the court interviewing everybody. Yeah and then you know He. He leaves behind his own show for the available to fill it. We should call them to see if he's available to talk he's he's rarely available for his own show interviewed him You know we we We tease this coming back. Talking about cow coups Ma look at the role all players obviously on this team. He's the one question mark where Danny Green's been in the league long enough we know it. Danny Green's GonNa do right Javale oh McGee understands his role. Dwight Howard has established what his role is going to be with. The Lakers might be eight and eight a game with a block or two and we're all praising him after that it doesn't have to give you the fifteen and twenty or twenty and fifteen like he did in earlier parts of his career. The KUZMA part. I still find to be very interesting right right the the role. I don't know about you but I walked into this year thinking okay. This is sixteen twenty a night from coups and you could just chalk that up. He's going to spread the floor. He's going to get a Lotta Open. Looks Anthony Davis is going to be two guys on him. Lebron everybody's going to be worried about him so far this year. That's not gone as the plan and I do want to preface everything by saying that. The guy's obviously been injured he. He's had injuries but I also think when he's been on the court there's been times that he's looked lost. There's been times that he doesn't it. Looks like he's thinking too much rather than instinctively playing well I mean some of that can come from just the fact that he's been injured so he hasn't had as much time with the guys is to build that familiarity to build that type of chemistry particularly in the second unit. When when at times? He'll be playing with teammates that he doesn't have as much experience with. But but like look I Allen I I've written a lot of people aren't aware. Cover the athletic along with Brian. I mean covered the Lakers along with Brian. The for the athletic that to me when it comes uh-huh to the Lakers reaching their highest ceiling possible the biggest X. factor the biggest key is who's MMA Because when you're talking about somebody who could be not necessarily just the third score but that third overall option of third presence I think coups has the greatest potential for doing that but then you also look and you say I don't know who else it would be so to me. It feels like it's either going to be Kuzina or it's going to be nobody. Well based off of twenty five Games uh-huh I think nobody is probably more accurate and I say that because on a consistent basis are you saying well I know Casey P is going to give me sixteen tonight and always not I know Danny Green is going to give me eighteen tonight and always not like they might have. They might have instances where all of them have one of those games where you're like. What a great performance formed by this individual but you thought coups MMA would be the player that would kind of have that consistency? And that's that's very important Porton. That's not like a luxury that we talked about earlier. What's a luxury? What's necessity this a necessity for the Lakers? Well so also to the idea in a perfect world me especially the way coups talked about the steps that he wants to take this season. It wasn't just about being like a sixteen to twenty point nine score because that's what he was last year and the average almost nineteen game last year. I think he was around seventeen or eighteen as a rookie. We know that he can score. But he's talked about wanting to be more of a playmaker. He's talked about being more of a reliable defend next level. Exactly like the in terms of becoming a more versatile complete player. You know like the type of guy that can help facilitate at times with that second unit. The idea the idea being that he can help create buckets for other guys as opposed to just generating his own and tacomas credit. I think he's been better this year. Defensively than it was last year. And he's definitely putting in the work. The issue with Kuzma is never. The work is never the effort. That guy really has high standards. Hundreds for himself as a player agreed but the consistency hasn't been there and obviously the Lakers haven't suffered much for twenty two and three but again in terms of I you think hitting their highest feeling that's next on the regular basis. Absolutely I think a lot of that really does come down to. WHO's is player? Yeah it's interesting because because if you look up and down that Lakers Rosser and what Lebron's doing is I think he's still the best player in the world about to be thirty five or forty amazing. What what Anthony Davis is doing look could kind of make the argument and say this is as good of a season? Anthony Davis having. I was expecting this from him right. Now you're walking. Look in your weather a team where there's a ton of veterans this is your best chance when NBA Championship. And you're so damn good to begin with right now. You're just kind of seeing it more than a night in night. I'll basis. You can technically have two players that carry you. But when Kobe shack were carrying the Lakers Derek Fisher was was putting up some points. Rick Fox was planned up some points. Robert Ory was putting up some points. other players have stepped up and the the COMP has always been can kyle clues may be one of these players for the Lakers. They're going to need help. You cannot just depend on these guys every single night at thirty eight to forty minutes a game being the only two that deliver every since they don't need I think a ton of help like they don't need multiple guys putting up eighteen to twenty two and night but they do just one more right right like one other player like if who's giving you sixteen to eighteen a night kind of what I was GonNa say if Koussa gives around eighteen to twenty and then one other other Guy Casey p Danny Green Toes right just kinda come in if you can get one other guy somewhere between twelve and sixteen. This team's going to be really hard to beaten like really hard to be ask you this do you think. As the season progresses does Kouzmouk get back to. I mean maybe our our expectations were too high for Kouzmin knowing that you can put up those numbers on a bad team right. You're going to you got a lot. More Focus Focus. GATOR was saying this a little bit earlier. We had him on from spectrum. Sports Net Chris mcghie he talked about how yeah Ingram is doing what he's doing but Ingram has the ball in his hands every single possession. Do you think coups at age. Twenty four never know playoff experience. No postseasons do you think he can. As the season progresses be the guy. Hi That's given you eighteen to twenty nine. I mean I don't know here's the question that I can answer in order to try to come up with your question how often you can be on the court We don't know if he's going to be available Friday tomorrow against Miami you know he's feeling lingering effects from that ankle sprain in November. You know he's had the I- issue E- Kuzina actually has had had a lot of injuries over the course of his career career. And you know for the last two years I think the royal we used to focus more more on the injuries for Lonzo Ball Brandon Ingram because those guys were second overall picks so the stakes were higher with them and coups mine a lot of ways benefited did it from being seen as found money because he was twenty seven overall picture as if nothing else in terms of what you pay coups mma. His production made him one of the best bargains in the League. KUZMA's no longer found money like he does not have the luxury. This team doesn't have the luxury of being seen as found money anymore. So now you really start thinking what about okay. Are Injuries now going to be baked into the cake with coups MMA and if they are how much does that get in the way of progress in his development as a player. WELL WE'LL HAVE TO I. I do think there was something telling yesterday. When he didn't play against Orlando Magic? That obviously set right then. He's got these. Lingering injuries Lakers will get another chance. We'll we'll keep obviously like offense posted if cosmas ago tomorrow. Or maybe maybe AK. They're giving him some time. Get healthy rest up and this is a long season. And they're looking at obviously. The long view of Lakers and the Miami Heat tomorrow tip offs at four pregame starts at two thirty and then coming up next now is soccer. Weekly with Dave Denholm A. K.. Good stuff appreciate you. Obviously look we're doing. We're doing a favor to Georgia. Say Appreciate George appreciate what we've done. He should alycia Andy Chemnitz filling in for George Sodano on E._S._p._N. L._A..

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"When it comes to sports history doesn't change? Or does it come find out on the special teams podcast which is now available on Jason Smith and Mike Harmon together Jason. I are looking back at the most compelling teams in sports history why we rooted for them or against them as they achieved their title of best of the best. Aw do remember the big moments and maybe become aware of some. You didn't know each episode features a different team and we just know you're gonNA love it checkout special teams right now on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts Hello Boys and girls welcome in to the boys and girl podcast with cowboys. NFL Network reporter Jayne Slater and NFL network producer. Bobby Bell cowboys voice community with the inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys. Now coming straight to you from the lone star state. Here's Jane Amen Bobby all right well full disclosure everyone. I'm battling a little bit of what I think is sinus infection. But I'M GONNA push through this adversity in the set-back hopefully a little bit better than a Dallas Cowboy state against the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday night football. That was a tough one. Bobby it was and it's we've talked a lot about what what is this team's identity and that's been the question and I think a lot of people are saying. Well now we're heading into week eleven and we're still trying to figure out the no you've got the identity now. The identity is this. This is a team that beats up on bad teams and can't find the lucky bounces against the good teams. You know a lot of times people say you make your own luck. This team doesn't make their own luck against the good tames have long argued. That Dak is different than Tony. Romo in the sense that he finds ways to win instead of loose and he certainly tried to do that last night. Despite getting eating down fourteen no in the To start this game. This looked like it was going to get out of hand early. The way that duck settled in there and the way that he put them in a position -sition to get the win and the final minutes of the game I think is perhaps the most frustrating thing and look. I appreciate that the players Jalen Smith and then last tonight Dak Prescott once again pointing the Fingers Not at the coaching staff but at themselves. Then you'd better job of executing on the plane while you could make that argument. I think for a lot of the defensive players this last night on offense. They were winning in spite of. Oh yeah no I think this was very reminiscent of the Green Bay game. They played minus the turnovers so the Green Bay game got got so out of control so early because kept turning the ball over. And that's what I did a lot of. But I mean if you look at it. It's very similar. It's prolific passing attack from Jack. You cannot stop. The opposing team's running back in the pass or the running game. They're just eating you up. It was very Dalvin. Cook was very much in the way. Aaron Jones did a few weeks ago. In Fact Alvin Cook finished. Just one hundred. Eighty three yards from scrimmage. Aaron Jones finished that game with one hundred eighty two. The packers won that game. Thirty four to twenty four Vikings win this game. Twenty eight twenty four so similar performances. Formats is outside of some of the silly mistakes that were made so for for those of us and I was one of them who said you know. What is that game? Look like against the packers. If they don't turn the ball over are they able to make more plays. They're able to put themselves in a position to win that game. You have your answer now. That was the Minnesota game last night and they weren't able to pull it out and I think the other thing that stands out for me. Bobby is this team's commitment to the run is admirable right. They said that's their identity. They're going to stick with the run but on a night when it's not working out that she failed to convert a first down every time you run the ball. It seems as though if if you're receiving courses horses red hot as they are last night why not trust them for whatever reason it's like they don't trust the passing game they have. It trusted it in recent years and like I said I know that Ezekiel Elliott this run game as they said time and time again as part of their identity and you and I talked about this today it was a fairly balanced game when you look at the way they were mixing in the run in the past But when the run game is not working for you any go to on second and then again on the third down that leaves you sort of scratching your head going. Why yeah and and you know? I'm had this debate a little bit with people on twitter. I was saying you know your linebackers haven't been good enough this year defense there you know. They've dropped the ball too many times and somebody said why is it. The players are at fault on the defense but on offense. It's it's the coaching staff. So I think inherently when when you're on offense you're on the offensive and you can dictate where the play goes and you can avoid some of your weaknesses and on defense your reaction or you're just reacting to what the defense does. There's only so much defensive. Coaching coaching staff can do to put you in a physician. You've got to finish the place. So I think on offense the cowboys crime or the issue that they had where they failed was not moving away from a weakness late in the ball game and DAX after the game. And I think Jason Garrett said as well that you know part of the reason they were trying to run the ball there and pick got the first down was you. Don't want to leave them too. Much time left. That's dangerous for two reasons to me. One you're worried about leaving too much time for your defense. What kind of a vote of confidence is that that to the assumption that you're gonNA score you know instead of just worrying about scoring? You're worrying about how you're gonNA score and in what timeframe I mean that's incompetence but it's confidence in the wrong thing. which is you're running game? which at times running games look good? You Know He. Zeke had back to back really strong games against Philadelphia and then the giants. The the vikings are a different ballgame. That is a different defense and you saw last night Eric. Kendricks had a great game. And that's where it was. A little confusing was the the balance itself wasn't so bad. It was pretty even early on when the cowboys got down. They finished the game with an ink. Forty eight or forty nine pass plays and twenty Russia's for Z. Twenty two runs runs total. I think for the whole team and they definitely were throwing it more but then you look at first down on. It's like sixteen runs and fourteen passes you're putting in these circumstances of third and eight eight and third and twelve and he's making the place I mean. Last night he was I think the bill Barnwell had the stat that he was perfect picked up five first downs on five opportunities of third down seven or longer. And if you look back this year on third and twelve or longer he is eleven of seventeen. Two hundred twenty yards eight first downs. He He's picking up a first half the time on third and twelve. which is if you have a fifty percent conversion rate on third down period ignoring the down and ignoring the distance? It's incredible but have that on third and twelve as Herculean. Dax doing everything he can to put them in the ball game or to keep them in the ball game. That's why it's it is a little funny. You're backed step inside your ten. DOC throws you down into the red zone and throw you into the end zone all of a sudden you don't trust them to get it done and instead that you go to Zeke three times in a row Yoda twice on the run play and then you try and you know throw him the wall on the outside and again matched up one on one with Eric Kendricks. That's not the matchup you want with the way he this play that game so it just. It's odd that they seem to be forward thinking that different different points of the game and and you think they've come into the modern era with some of their and then there's other times where they go. Oh let's throttle back a little bit and so then the question. I know that's getting tossed around this morning. As and throughout the afternoon and really will be up until their next game. which is Sunday against Detroit is where you lay the blame again? We keep talking about the players players while admirable keep pointing fingers at themselves. You know we've got to do a better job of executing we'll Jason Garrett was asked on one five three the fan about it this morning and here's what he had to say coach. What was the thought process on that final? Drive on the second and third down before the zeke incompletion. What were you guys thinking? Or what did you guys see that. That kind of led to the second and third down calls at the end again You Know Collins Calling the game and that situation it's second to when he felt like he had a good opportunity fraternity against a favorable Bach to run the ball in those situations and Anita those plays we had options beyond just the run. And you know unfortunately fortunately we weren't able to convert and we got into that four thousand situation didn't convert that so obviously you want to continue that drive. You want to go score touchdown. They're enforcing Jordan get it done so it is fascinating you know when they win. Ever wants to celebrate Kellen Moore. He's done it. Despite Jason and Garrett is the head coach and then when they lose everyone wants to blame Jason Garrett Yeah no and you know I think Kellen after the first loss of the year where he was is out there with the media that week. And he's like Oh so when we lose Jason's off he's lie goes sweet set up for me is like no that that doesn't fly. We can't do it that way. And that's true through at the end of the day Kelly Morris calling the plays now the the question isn't I guess where people are wondering. WHO's at fault here is is Kellyn calling the play? And it's with Jason Jason Garretson. Why don't we go run here? Maybe picking the play but Jason Very well maybe influencing if they're gonNA go run or pass I typically Wade Wilson talked about this years ago. The late Wade Wilson Talked about that when the cowboys getting their two minute drill. That's generally script. They significantly narrow down the playbook and that they had you know each game plan. Has You know a handful of plays and at that they used during the two minute drill So I'm wondering if they were in their two minute offense offense at that point because when they got the ball back. There's a little under five minutes left. They're already in the red zone by the time they were inside two minutes so I I wonder if you know there was a limited playbook they were working off a smaller playbook and that's where some of these run options came from but ultimately it is a little odd that something something that I'm Jerry said it after the game that you could have put up a sign at the beginning of the game that said Zeke's not going anywhere tonight and for them to acknowledge that that was the case ace and then still try and ran their head into a brick wall. It's it's frustrating. Let's the definition of insanity bobbing. Yeah doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. And you know. I think there's at this point it's okay. Well who's the insane one is Jason Garrett Insane one is Kelly Moore Jerry Jones the insane thanks for putting Jason Garrett out there every single year to have the same sort of issues crop up when it comes to meet quality makes a huge difference in texture and taste and even though it might be better for you and the environment a lot of the higher quality meat you find at. The grocery store is just too expensive for most people's budget thankfully there's butcher box. What's your box believes? Everyone deserves access to high-quality humanely sourced. Meet at an affordable price. That's why each month which are box. Ships curated selection of the finest cuts right to your home. Choose from one hundred percent grass-fed and finished beef. Free range organic chicken heritage pork wild caught Alaskan salmon and sugar and Nitrate Free Bacon. No antibiotics no added hormones. 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I'm curious about how deadly because we've always talked about Jerry. Jones says things that are purposeful right. He's very calculated very calculated. He ascended reporters after the game. He says quote. It's disappointing disappointing. We'll have to pay for this one. Hopefully it won't be terminal terminal to their or Season Terminal to their coaching staff. If it's a I think he's talking all encompassing. Because of its terminal to their season it's terminals coaching staff discussions though it is but I mean that's I think that's the thing. This was a big game for them because as we said this was going to be are they contenders are they pretenders sanders and this is now out of the six teams that are currently if the season ended today the six teams that are in the playoffs for the NFC Dallas play three of. They've lost all three. They are one and four against everybody except the NFC except the NFC east. This year. The cowboys beat the NFC East and the Miami Dolphins and that is it it. It's staggering to me bobby. Because you know we talked about heading into the season just how how different this team looked right and we saw it in the first couple of games like look there. Is the offense that we were talking about. And and I see the talent out there. I mean we'll get into Amari Cooper and a little bit we've seen Michael Gallup's development and other a couple of incompletions. Michael still has some of the jobs these but he also system makes them pretty impressive catches for second year wide receiver up broken play against the giants where he danced alongside line and scored the touchdown and then. Of course. You've got Randall. COBB BOB who easily had one of the best games in recent memory and then I I have a lot of faith in Ezekiel Elliott. Even though Ezekiel Elliott Staubach's Staubach's isn't looking all that sexy sheer if you look at the tape. He's also doing things in terms of blocking the way that he goes. After some of these guys that offenders offenders is impressive. Just go back and look at the tape on a couple of plays. That's what I was watching for because I remember leaning over here at one point in going. What is he doing tonight? And so I- purpose. I was purposeful in this every time I watch the guys lineup. I wanted to see where Zeke wasn't what he was doing and how he's affecting the game and like he was blowing guys up so like as a blocker he's has been impressive for you out there just for whatever reason I don't know if it's because teams have enough Tapan Zeke these days I don't know if it was because Zeke missed camp and it's just you know there's some Russ there I don't know what to make of it no. I think that you know I looked this up yesterday. I if you look since two thousand sixteen which is Lindsay got in the League league and the Most Games with twenty times and fewer than four yards per carry Ezekiel Elliott leads the NFL with nine next is lady on bell and Carlos High Tide with seven. But that may not be as much on Zeke. As much as it is this cowboys tendency to kind of ran their head into a brick wall a little little bit and you make the point that he was doing a lot and blitz pickup and. That's a big part of the success. That DAX been able to have and the passing of has been able to have but also at the end of the day is a reliable blitz pickup guy and kind of average yards per carry. Is that worth ninety million dollars. I I don't quite like know what to make of it this year. And then there's also this I won't say it's he's been apathetic more so this year than he has been in your spouse because I don't want I don't think it's fair to say read a person's body language but even just the cut away during the game you can see the frustration on Zeke's face and even I we were having the scrum last night. You know I asked him you know. What are you guys? Make of some of these slow starts. Here's what he said. How do you make sense of these slow starts especially when you see the way that you guys battle you know in in the second half of these games and then the fact that you ask so close there in the end he's got to eliminate them By what you said. We battled back and we we got ourselves. Within striking distance. Exit took the lead lied But no we eliminate those slow star so we know where we would be. I mean do all we can do. Just focus uh-huh meek watch a film in where we can improve battling back at some point to get it really wears on these guys. Nice play from behind tally. I think some guys relish Senate guys like Dak Prescott. I think there's other guys that that struggle with it and I think Zeke struggling with some of the playing from behind this year whereas a guy that's had a chip on his shoulders whole life His mentality has always been this sort of underdog play from behind. That's where we you see sort of ducked shine. A guy like Zeke's used to being a proven winner not used to playing from behind. That's not his mentality. That's not his personality and again I don't know if it's fair this is gonna I'm GonNa Bring up one of my body belt conspiracy theories this week. I feel like some of that is wearing on Zeke. This year. I wouldn't doubt that I mean remember. Remember that you know. He had really successful rounded Ohio state. Then had you know little to no adversity his rookie year. The very first bit of adversity we ever saw really was that Denver. The broncos game his second year and he had an interesting game checkout and so it it very well could be that. And there's still you know he's still a young guy they're still maturing to be done and growth to be had and look given an I want to be fair here in qualify this week. He hasn't given us any indication. You've been a bad teammate. or no or that. There's any infighting or frustration with the staff finding means I'm just saying that it feels like energy wise. It's worn born on him. I think overall the whole team is sort of worn out at this point because of the high expectations that they were placing on themselves. And I think they really feel like they're dropping the ball now in yet another year. I mean you could point your finger at things in the past. You know injuries for the most part this. You're not missing some of the key guys you've missed the nearest pass and the Games Games. You really should have won on the front end of the schedule I think now they're staring down at the remaining parts of the schedule. This is where this thing could could get ugly. Yeah and it. It's not looking as tough offers at once did Detroit's cooled off. Chicago's cooled off by the Patriots logo. Got The eagles on the road. There's still and yeah I mean okay. Let's talk about this for a second Detroit. They might dodge a bullet. Matthew Stafford has some some back issues you may not have them in the game but thinking about the gains that they've caught a pass in the sense they didn't have Adam feeling winning this one against the Vikings they didn't have drew brees playing. When they face the Seitz? Who else am I missing They lost the jets. They the jets. I mean they'd it just gotten Sam Darnold back and I mean the jets. Were a winless team at that point on the packers. Were playing without Davante Adams. Okay so even when you've caught a break from good teams uh-huh you still can't capitalize and that would seem to be an issue with the coaching staff. That would seem to be an issue of making sure. These guys are mentally prepared to play Jason Garrett's whole roll on the scene for years has been the CEO. He's the walk around head coach. He's the he's the leader of men more than he is. The you know calling Colin plays and things like that. Well okay. If that's your job your job is to make sure they're prepared and make sure that they're not checking out and make sure that we're not having these slow starts his his jobs in real jeopardy at the end of this year. Just if we're grading through nine games you know it's interesting you say that. Cover the saints. And I've had some extensive conversations with the guy like Sean Sean. Payton in Sean does things to motivate his team and way the way that he thinks the motivation aspect is always fascinating to me. You know if you've been on the road of me. The speakers that he brings into locker room they are the most obnoxious speakers of any team I've ever covered. And he wants even when they go on the road or after when they are the allowed us. Things that you here because it gets them hype Sean. Payton's like a really terrible neighbor to have your like an apartment complex or condo. He'd be awful just hero music but then the people that he has come and speak to these teams the way that he's dressed up certain mascots to fire them up like everything he does is to get in the ahead space of his team. He is with their minds the way that the way the way bill parcells used of course. He's part of that Bill parcells coaching tree. Wile like I'm a fan of Jason Garrett. I'm a fan of the process. I'm a fan of the fact that that team continues to battle forum. But the way that he gets his troops ready to play is so different than a guy. Like Sean Payton. Of course we're talking about Sean. Payton to after losing the one is seven. Atlanta Falcons with seventy one. So that's something to revisit this week but it is the is the the thought process that goes into motivating his men that the is always been fascinating to me about Sean Payton and something that I have not heard about Jason Garrett. All it's different when Jason geared does bring in people to speak to the team though Tristan Hill falls asleep leap. So I'm waiting for that. I was again. I wasn't going to let it go. I need to drop that in there but no I think it's just it's different. I think there is something to be said. We've we've talked about this for. I think there's something to be said about steady stability and not freaking out and not changing up routine because for instance if he was to change things up wildly this week. I I don't think that would be viewed as anything that. Oh this can fire. I think it would just panic. What yeah what's going on? This is a and that's Jason's off laughing. There's I appreciate that and I think that's fair. It's it's just different ways of doing it but you know they're negative eighteen on their point differential in the first quarter this season negative eighteen there plus ninety nine quarters to through for which is insane. There's something broken about this team in the first quarter to those of us on the outside it felt like the sky was falling but here is what it sounded like on the inside it Monday when we caught up with some of the players. Yeah we got quite the unexpected treat. So normally how Mondays work for the cowboys. There's very few guys. It's not a practice day so there's not a lot of guys in there. A lot of them are ready to talk. Not a lot of want to talk especially after a loss. So when you head into Monday log or not usually expecting a lot It's later in the day. It opens about four hours later than it normally does during the week so Monday. You're always kind of tempering your expectations about what you're going to hear from the guys in the locker up but we did get a treat. We got a surprise is Michael Bennett. Spoke with the Dallas media for the first time so He talked about five minutes. I'm just going to go ahead. We'll play the whole thing. Here of what Bennett had to say a Kind of uninterrupted. And let you guys just make your own conclusions based off of what he said and have your own thoughts. So here's what Michael Bennett had to say in the locker room on Monday and the giants what stands out to you. I don't know how to just do the simple things they always about. The simple as it comes on every single week is who has his fundamentals was the most disciplined in the league. And sometimes you can grab their moorings verses regrouping into that things. We know football's always been. Where do you know Jean High Level Early High School College is always the same thing here in in your locker or they dow cooked so heart the biggest thing say good versus tackling doing fundamentally just talk about your process fitting in with this team the last couple of weeks a good journey coming? Aw Come here on a group players getting what excites you about being a Dallas Cowboy says you covering the cowboys. And that's what made it such as this. I think they have the the game. Something that makes their running game. Par stopped because we will be able to make on Thursday they do do please offspring action. So the guy's got a rebuilding keys with autism. He just wanted to fast really fast. Necessarily people were really kind of speeder. BEKKER's like they say to yourself. Seeing time to get into now reviving play. They might like escape. Go Way back. I think we grew the water. This is part of the process that we always be friends always takes that when I was in an obscene second close always close relationship. How much is a scheme has been new to you? And how much did you know already coming in a lot of. I mean it's all the same steams very familiar for us too so the place with the most decency Sir any other differences pretty much. Busy Martellus talk to you about the cowboys before you talk about you know just plan for Garrett and Jerry and just this organization before you came here at high important was that just for the transition he eddings a great fan base. He said you see amount of basement. Fan Base like this people show to the Games in the cavaliers. Everybody there's a couple of in the country. I I grew up watching cowboys. Harper Michael Kennedy nor his full grown up under gave it taper organization who grew up as a kid Houston and being able to see this teams. Can you discuss your your talks with Jerry Jones and reduce your contract to one year important. was that you know Getting next year off the afraid to have the season could be molester awful. I'll just be showing that gettable. What's the best thing for my family was the big thing feature on so I took it one game time when you're at a time the opportunity is a great opportunity? Where right now is enjoying this game and joined seven Games football for you to enjoy myself? You've been out there year. I'm Oh man right now but at the same time I try stagings with what is what does the ceiling of this look. Look like you guys. Just part of it is market. Is the key to Marcus at the medicine. Bass players play nothing great players the ruthless roundup bargain quickly. Earl Thomas Richard Sherman Closer Cox all these great players play with Jim. McLay Alison demarcus. Lawrence is probably at the top of this guys. Play me and his leading. I think he's got great leadership. He's also agree captain and he goes out there and for some modern see week week by example so for me. It's great to be around to be through the energy influence playing football. Not They mm-hmm so there ago. Some interesting stuff there from Michael Bennett. When was the last time you watched your home movies if you're like most there's a box in your closet videotapes film reels and photos? That don't get watched worse. They're degrading. Hi I'm nick. I'm Adam ten years ago we started legacybox to help families convert their aging media to digital. Here's how it works. Filled legacy box with your camcorder tapes film reels and photos we've professionally digitize and send them back on. DVD's thumb drives or the cloud ready to watch and share. Legacy box is the world's holds largest most trusted home movie and photo digitize her over four hundred fifty thousand families abused legacybox. And we've been featured on good morning. 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Like I don't miss has any of that and then going back supposed to be in the thirties or whatever And obviously I love covering the cowboys but it is funny though because you wanna be like. Yeah eventually I'll come back but I just don't see that happen. I think Dallas is stuck with me now. Do you like days like today. I know you love that you love being told like Oh you must love this weather. It's nice and cold because you're from up north. Yeah well I mean. I've been here now nine years so it's like I but people don't understand that you adjust to it and you're just like yeah. It's this is cold to me because it's been hot all summer. Okay like if you had a Michigan summer where it he really only gets to be one hundred like once or twice then yeah then. It's hard to like get acclimated when it's a hundred lake for an entire month like you just you. Change climates. Pretty Fast I. I made the comparison the John. It's like it's like the kid who was like two years old when they moved down to Mexico and then people stole expect them to speak Spanish and from Spanish for so long. It's GonNa work exactly now as the rest of you now on. I always joke that Texas. You know there's an old saying it's like I'm not from Texas but I got here as quick as I could. Yeah there are so many transplants points that come down here and and if you're listening to the Dallas Cowboys PODCAST here with us. Then you probably are a big Texas fan just in general. I feel the same way I've lived in other places but Texas just climate climate wise cost of living. Yeah show me a better state to live in. I'm good brother and I always go through these scenarios like what this place offered you a job or what if this place offered a job and it's like like every year that goes by that list of what I would take is so much less than like really the only thing that's left for me would be on the west coast just because I love when we go out there for training camp in in California but quakes fire and it's super onethingus right exactly. I go back and forth people. Ask Me that all the time but I think as you get a little settled into your career and especially when you cover a team like this. It's the golden handcuffs. I've always said are they're probably more intriguing jobs out there. Maybe but not many eh because we get weeks like this John where the sky's falling again in Jason Garrett who enjoyed a brief reprieve because he got the win against the Eagles and it was a bi week. So all since we're forgotten the play calling in issue again last night and despite heroic performances by what I've been arguing assist receiving core Dak Prescott. They can't get it done. So where are you pointing the finger today. Oh you have to point at the coaches I mean I. I'm one of these people. I hate when when people just always blame the coaches and especially here because Jason's been here for so long in a league where coaches generally aren't around on that long But that was just a mistake to run back to back. Plays run plays there. I know that they were trying to run out the clock. But this isn't twenty a fourteen Dallas cowboys where your defense is basically led by Rolando. Mcclain Jeremy Mincy. Like you have a good defense. You've you've been building since two thousand fourteen to get to where you are right now. How you go and you go ahead? If they come back on you. And they score a touchdown in a minute and a half while. Hey you tip your cat to them and you say well that was on the defense and Sobia but you went out there and got Michael Bill Bennett and and Robert Quinn and you've drafted these linebackers like you have players now like put them out there to make plays you should trust your defense and I just feel like the entire time. I've covered this team. It's always been offense. I will you finally have a good defense. Give them a chance to make plays. They're late and I know that obviously Galvin Cook was running all over them. But you gotta at least give give him the chance. I I'd taken your foot off the gas whether you do it in prose or in college. It always seems to kill you and I just thought that that was a mistake. You should've just let dat keep throwing. I thought he had the hot hand when he was playing as well. As I think I've ever seen a play. Why do you think that I mean speaking to we know the coach has been an issue? But I mean I think consistently all your the linebackers have played way below where they were out last year why do you think Jalen Smith and Layton vendors seemingly regressed this year. I mean that's a great question. I was walking out with some other reporters after the game yesterday. And that's all we were. We were saying it's just like how how come they're not making those same plays and I think it's a combination. I don't think that they've done as well stopping the run on the defensive line. I don't think they've been as strong either. And and it's almost like Kinda how you see with the rams how it's like. It seems like almost in a way like they're starting to kind of the League. Starting to figure Sean mcvay out. It's almost like maybe there's just tape out from last last year where they found little things maybe jalen coverage things like that where that's clearly not his strong suit. You know. One of the things I notice is that he'll drop way back in coverage so that he can move forward so everything's in front Donovan. which you know nobody did that? Better than add read. I mean he'd move off the off the screen but he was just such a freak athlete that you could just make up that ground and so with a team like glass night where like kirk cousins was. Just Duncan Duncan and he was complaining that stuff underneath. It's like yeah jalen keeping the guy in front of them but they're still first downs and they're moving the chains and things like that so I wish I had a good answer I it it stuns me that Sean Lee would come into that last game and play like maybe the best one out of any of the linebackers this year. I never thought that would happen. I thought that Jalen Enlighten Layton would just taken off built on what they did last year. The more you play together the better they were going to be in that. That just hasn't been it and they've talked consistently anytime he's talked to Rodman Allier in Chris Rashard but specifically Marinelli when he's talking about Defensive Law Sophy if you're talking to him about Thursday but within you fast will always come up. We need to play fast. And you'll hear that from opposing coaches and conference skulls. They'll say you know of that. Defense is really fast they move. I wonder if that's why they're getting gashed. So bad on these screenplays. If they're taking advantage of teams are taking advantage of this over aggressiveness. As this let's fly and then they just aren't. Let's slowly kind of set things up and then let's hit the screen passes. Then you're having you know thirty are gains for Dalvin Cook on screen passes I. It seems like that's that's kind of become the way to try and hit the cowboys as let's use this aggressiveness that they have on defense against them for share in the reason the what gets you to play fast is knowing knowing exactly what you have to do at all times and so that's why they don't deviate from what they do and that's why other teams know what they're going to do and so that's great. I was joking with Helmand yesterday. David Hellman of Adel Scott was calm that that game to me. was that Spiderman. meam where it's those two spiderman point each other. Yeah because that's exactly what deck said before they were GonNa play the Vikings like last Wednesday when he talked to us it was like yeah. I'm not really worried about them. Confused and stuff. 'cause that's not what they do. They do what they do. If you make mistakes will make you pay but you know what to expect from them. and that's exactly what everybody says about this cowboys defense when they're preparing to play them and so while they have good players. I just feel like the other kind of know what to expect when they go against this defense and the offense that's been the argument and the knock on them too. That's why I think it's been fascinating to see them. Mix It up this year and not be able to see this offense capitalized. Because let me ask you this. Do you think there's good players was on this team. Oh yeah this is covering team in two thousand eleven. This is without question the best cowboys team. I've covered no doubt. So how frustrating is it just as a beat writer and can you imagine for the fans that they're not able to piece these things together because we're not talking. This is a young team in some respects but this is a young team that has collectively come up together together. In other words I get when you've got a whole bunch of young guys. And it's addition subtraction. But these guys sort of come in this thing together the nucleus has been there so I feel take the young thing out of the equation at this point. No you do for sure. I think one of the problems though is because you have a lot of those guys together. I just see a lot of I see a lot of like the way they're playing these games. This year reminds me of last year in a sense of it's like they have to be at their best when they're back against the wall and God knows we've heard this a million times from them but like you look at last season like even after they got married they lost that first game it took him to fall to three to five three and five words like well now we have to win every single game and I feel like that's how they play in these games this year. It's like well. We're we're so talented that we fall behind a little bit. We're GONNA come back. We're we'RE WE'RE GONNA make this run and I feel like that's what's GonNa happen the season and now they're going to put themselves in the spot where they're going to be back's against the wall again and they might have to win five of their last seven games and they might do that just such a cavalry thing to do right. I was literally here. We are talking all about the front end of the schedule. And how tough how easy it was that. If they they need to put those debated then focus on these. This remaining stretch it would be such a cowboy thing to do to go and shock and all this against the the Patriots to win that game on the road against the Chicago. Bears get another one against the eagles and then all of a sudden they've got that hot hand they get in the playoffs and this that would be the year for them to get into. I'm not kidding. That's how this team is to me. It's just if you look at it on paper. Statistically you're saying yourself there's no way like this this this to me was the turning point in your season you played the six and three team. We've been arguing you're there you're either contenders pretenders. You look like pretenders last night. Yeah there's no question about that and I agree with you like like I mean I know we all cover the cowboys. People think they were being homers. Whatever no this is there best team and I heard you guys talking earlier about you? Know these teams not have in Burris not having thelander to Adams the the Lions Probably Matt Stafford like. They're all what I always say. Relatively healthy I mean they are. They're not really missing anybody so if you were to make around and say they won. Five of the last seven Tennessee x division got in the playoffs like on paper that I could easily see them making a run. What you said if you go down the list of like you know? Everybody comparison every everyone to the Patriots. 'cause they're clearly the gold standard but like there's clearly weaknesses on Patriots team. One of the biggest problems is guys like trey flowers and they have good years ears and then teams pick. These guys know. This cowboys team has been building for. I would say at least two thousand fourteen to where they are way and so no I mean they. I know it's doom and gloom today. But if they got run. There's no question that they could make. They could make a super bowl run for sure but he doesn't look like that right now. The team that this reminds me of an John. I think you were here at this. I'm John in New York currency back then but the team Kinda reminds me of his the two thousand eight cowboys where no seven. They went thirteen and three and heading into it was. It's like okay. Romo is GonNa take the next step. They went and added Pacman Jones and tank Johnson. And they'd really kind of fleshed out there holes and then they you know they started off that you're three. No and and they looked like they were going to be right up. There Brady gotten hurt. At that point. People were talking about them as the Super Bowl contender and then turmoil head and they started started losing games two teams. They shouldn't have lost two and you know near the end of the year they would surprise people in. Oh we're going to beat the giants on Primetime football her first in the division right now on. You know. We're going to shock. Everybody and they kept just teasing you a little bit until the end of the year when they get blown out in a winner take all division game against the Eagles. Yeah and and it just feels like that. We're that Oh eighteen that went nine and seven to me is one of the most talented teams they've ever had and they just it. It didn't work and that would be my concern with this team. It was not an accident. It was a car burglary gone Dan. It was businessess. Nation is public official who discovered corruption in his own department. He was stabbed in the heart in front of the building where he worked. Kevin until we're about to dive into you and unimaginable world of corruption and depravity. That would nearly ruined fills career put Kevin's life at risk and expose is the seediest underbelly of Oregon as having deep ties to the very people who were supposed to police Michael Frankie's killers. They were never brought to justice. And you'll find out why this season of murder in Oregon listen to murder and Oregon on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. You know what's interesting to me is Jerry. Jones has gambled so much in his business life. Right we've talked about comstock doc. This new energy company that he's got he's invested. I think he's like six something like two billion dollars of his own personal money and my buddies are on Wall Street like it's the worst investment. That's why he was up appear garnering public support for this while the deal was getting done. He's reading he's bringing the bell on the on the stock market but yet he has played the safe hand Jason Garrett all the time because it's like he doesn't WanNa rock the boat and I gotTa say there are times I find myself agreeing with them in the sense that you've only had one losing season. This team is still still fighting for him. But I am curious if the team still fights for after a game like this I mean I. That's the only thing I I've never seen them. Not You know so. That's why I would be so stunned if that was to happen for them to just give up like you talk about that. Eagles game within a year I was at two thousand eight. Yeah like I just. I don't see them doing that with this particular team. And because of that. That's what always he's GonNa have backing them up because you see it so much because coach want because look. That's everything. There isn't a lot of options out author renowned woke. Exactly you look at what Arizona did bringing clippings where a young innovative. You think you're going to shake things up Sean. mcvay we're actually seeing him exposed now l.. After you know such dynamic start is that coach it's taken Kyle Shanahan awhile but I mean he comes from a ridiculous coaching tree and then had you could argue all his success in in Washington D.. ABC You look at Adam Gays. That's not working out for you. That much with the jets Freddie Kitchens up in Cleveland Florez Down with dolphins. So if I'm Jerry and my biggest you know he. He laments that one of his biggest frustrations in life has been wasting Tony. Romo's youth these guys aren't getting any younger. I mean we're heading into what fifth seasons now l.. For you doc in Zeke and somebody while you're locking them up trying to lock them up long-term how much longer do you want to waste their seasons with either a new coach or staying. The course I would imagine it's frustrating for Jerry right and we were just talking okay so to me. The Gold Sanders clearly the Patriots and so like a team. The cowboys are about to play this week in Matt Patricia. I mean that's the the lines is are by far the the team I follow the most outside of the cowboys. That's not working there now So so there's a guy then Josh mcdaniels. Who's obviously you know? They're oh see like I could see him be enough for jobs but like show me a guy that's left the Patriots and had all this success that there really hasn't everything just goes back to bill belichick whether it doesn't matter if it's the GM's if it's the coaches association the different animal all right. And then I even look at Matt Leflore right so he had some success with Green Bay. But that's Aaron Rodgers. Yeah Yeah I'm not putting that on the coaching. Also I this your guy and and that's the thing it's like. How do you adjust the trends? I remember listen to a radio interview. It was on one five three fan earlier. This year with Tony Romo when he was talking about Kellyn more in basically how like you know. I can see him having success early on because people won't know what to expect. 'cause there's nothing there's no tape. There's no film on what he's done but it's going to be about how you adjust to that and that's clearly where we're at right now. We're in that stage that it's how are you going to adjust to what they're doing. And as you mentioned Sean. McVeigh that's what they're going through right now. So the only thing that I could see that would shake this thing up. And this'll be a wildcard. What if they ask Tony to come back and coach? I think they're okay. Well then we're throwing out wild. Possibly this is wild wild. Better chance of Jason witten being the next coach. Then Tony Romo. I've got I've got three wild names for you to stack in light loved poor Jason Garrison through a season winning record and we're already throwing out while what else are we supposed to. I'm just curious if you stack the likelihood but this is arguments as to two why Jason Garrett remains here so we'll throw out the wildcard show you what else there is no front for most to least likely SORTA lose his job. Mostly like at least likely would get get this job Lincoln Riley. I don't see it happening. Dan Mullen Bob Stoops. I don't like any of those options. uh-huh Bob Bob Stoops. He would yeah. I'd go Lincoln Riley Tune Demo and mostly you think it'd be most likely to those three that he would get the job but why college Wjr I mean. College isn't always work but college. It's worked other than Jimmy Johnson. Who obviously was wildly successful? Pete Carroll but I think in general and I'm eclipse he'd also is in the NFL. I but you know the thing is a has college work. Let's just look at what the cowboys have been saying that last year the cowboys kept talking about college concept. So the cowboys clearly not bug by the college coach but if you want college that had previously been in the NFL like that has been harbaugh's Mo finish pristine off. Push him over the edge. Oh you like Jim Harbaugh. I would think that would I don't I don't think that'd be. Why Not Meyer? I mean what. Dan Mullen was running at Mississippi. city-state Meyer stuff. Now that's obviously the Hammett Dak undoubtedly is going to say that. Because you know it's funny you said. Why is Jerry stuck with Jason? This long remember at the end of last year. You're the thought was they're gonNA stick with Lenihan and it seemed like feedback internally is what changed things it was players play and so I think the reason Garrett's lasted it's a long. Probably plugger feedback is also a little bit of a wild card with Scotland a hand. That hasn't come out that factored into a little bit. So Scotland ahead. Actually I was told had a little bit of it saying some of that personal piece for something. That's going on off the field well in that get him on the pike. Yeah let's do it so so in that sense. Though that players generally feedback matters to this Organization clearly with the coaching staff. I mean that's going to have a hand in it and the next one and we know how much he thinks. Dan Mullen and Dan Mullen. I think it's interesting. Yeah no he's going to have a big San. That's why I always thought that going into this year when you know obviously storyline is similar to what it is now where it's like. Well when are they GONNA pay Dag. His Dad can be the core of the future and I just don't find it funny. I'm like yeah he's GonNa be the the future and he's literally going to be the guy. They changed coaches that. He's going to be sitting. They be what works. Best for deck built around deck. Like he's not going anywhere he will definitely have a huge thing and the next coach. It wasn't even if he doesn't have a say what he does Jason Garrett Fan I mean he is literally said to me go easy on my guy. Jj when I would argue that I'm probably the softest media commentator out when it comes to Jason Garrett because I keep going with show me something better but he will say to me go easy on my guy j g you know. It's one of the things about him and why. I think that a lot of this happens to is like you. Never see him. Like you. See other coaches like we'll get into place sometimes on the sideline and they'll be a little back and forth. You will never see that would jason. I've I saw it at the ultimate task. That was when obviously Zi Greg Hardy was slapped. clipboards out of hand and I mean he's not getting involved in anything like that like he doesn't throw players under the bus. He never like called balance flags at Ross really hard I mean I mean there's an offensive coordinator on well but even that even that looks a lot because of it high little charring to us because because he doesn't do that right. I got one other conspiracy and Jane and I talked about this with Calvin Watkins last week because his contract about come open and there has been talk about. This is kind of do or die. For him to Zimmer well they obviously like him and listening to get your way they talk about. Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer. It's as if the guy as dating you buddy he's on instagram scrolling. These like that girl man. She's looking chick. She works out really where she works. She got better. I got that out for us. And so there's a little bit of the one that got away with it. Because that's the name that I've been kicking around later. Zimmer would be one that makes sense because they know him he's he's known to be kind of like a light your fire under him. He comes from the parcels tree. I think they would feel like they're still keeping some of the structure that Jason has he'd bring Terence Newman back. Tears Newman's the coaching staff. I can I. Can I be selfish for a second year. Yeah I want them to stick with Jason. Garrett then Mike Zimmer with the media is just not I I'm I'm trying to have fun here and and is let's hire Mike Lee okay. Well let's get crazy but like the Jason Gary that people see on the podium is clearly on the same reason Garrett that we see in the walks we you see at the combine or on a training camps like that and I think he's pretty media-friendly so selfishly I would and the reason why I'm I'm saying that is because I don't think that there's going to be a major difference. I don't I don't know like I mean you'll be surprised if Mike Zimmer if they lose the second round the play offs like clearly the MIC. That's what I'm saying. So get some again. The Spiderman means different. It's the biggest overall issue with seem right now though by like in general like Like not like position specific but it just the way they play. Are you talking about this season. Yes slow starts. People been the thing that is crazy me at the slow starts but to me. What's more impressive about the same as the way? They battled back when their backs are inside. Your fourteen. Nothing in the first quarter was the first quarter right. Fourteen fourteen Sunday night football and you battled back the way that they did. That is impressive or no twenty one nothing to the the packers and it was thirty one three crummy team. THAT'S NOT A. That's not a poorly coach team. But this is this. Is Stephen Jones Jerry Jones. Both in the last twenty. Four hours when Zimmer has come. They've brought up Zimmer on marrone. And when they bring up Zimmer they bring him up with the I think they talk about any guys on their on their staff because they look at it as he's one of ours they they they may they may they may. They may talk glowingly about the attribute. They both brought up on their own was. He had that team really. Well prepared. I think X. files conspiracy. Whether whether it's Zimmer Zimmer not I think that it is fresh in their mind that they don't feel like this seems fairly tweak why would you believe what he's got right now. I'm saying that his contract's almost up and they're like they've it's kind of been to the edge and number precise if that if he came open to John's point it's the kind of the same reason why Sean ultimately wasn't the look. The cowboys have one at Jonathan Secret. Then he goes in. HE GETS HIS LONG-TERM DEAL IN NEW ORLEANS. One of the factors that played into that is everything that comes with doubtless Alice. You Mike Zimmer is kind of a golden gotTA MINNESOTA Shawn Golden Garden in New Orleans and the media. Scrutiny is not the same when I go and cover Minnesota or New Orleans. It's different different. It's it's different but what if you have that type of personality that you want to be known in China because Sean is the one that likes that I say that. That's a Sean personality. Mike Zimmer personality through no no but this is home for summer this is where Zimmer cut teeth. NFL coaches here for fifteen years or whatever it was I mean I think I think Zimmer does have an affinity for Dallas and what I'm talking about you know that quote that he said that about how they hit where after they won the Super Bowl I think he said that like yeah they know who I am and like the other cities in the division. But when you're the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys they know you are in China over. There is an ego that you have to have an ego to be the head coach of this team but an ego. That can remain checked right when you've got Jerry. Jones and Steve and John Mayer boss. My theory is using the. FSU off the couch. That's they don't even bring that stuff. Don't even speak that show ever put that out there. That all right so your thoughts heading into this game John. Well if Matt Stafford plays than I think it's a close game because he's playing at at his highest level and although I don't think the lines are a great team they are pretty pretty talented and they will be playing at home but if he doesn't play. I don't think there's any reason the cowboys someone by at least couple touchdowns I mean there. There will be going with Jeff Driscoll. I I mean that's that's that seems like the recipe for exactly what this team needs right now and they have beaten the bad teams that they've played. The lines are a bad team. They're not have Matt Stafford isn't playing now. Stafford plays lays. We've seen when I was played against mets after they've all been they've been some of the most entertaining games that we've watched recently so I think that's the key. If he plays it goes down to the wire but if he doesn't then yeah the couch easily win this game shawmut showed him my man. I'm looking forward to some of the restaurant racks and Going to visit the town that you we're now far removed from Where can some of our followers follow you on social media? Follow me on twitter. I'm on there from time to time at Jama. Shoda J. O.. Enemy C. H. O.. To go for the content stay for the moves. That's it for this episode. We appreciate you sticking around. 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