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Week 4 Best WR/CB Matchups 2020

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Week 4 Best WR/CB Matchups 2020

"By geico Field Yates and Mike Clay hanging out with you on a day in which somebody theoretically has to win a game. We also have to find your bell as always. Is Back. In morning to both of you dig unless your back my friend it's good to be here. Guys I appreciate you keeping the seat warm with me while I took a couple of mental health days. Okay. Won't mostly Kyle kept his seat. Warm. Well, I appreciate Kyle working hard as always kept the warm could have Mike back is wearing a. Is that Chad? Pennington's music. Mike it is. It is the man. Here, there's three reasons why I'm wearing this. Okay. Jets play tonight. Okay. That's one. Chad Pennington. Is the greatest jets quarterback ever I guarantee it. Wow. Wow doing did there. Yeah I did you better quarterback Joe Namath I'm just you know yes absolutely. Yeah Barks I'm Chad I'm big Fan I. Back in the day, went to Marshall of course, by Randy Moss a little bit was terrific with the with the jets while the most accurate quarterback in NFL history before drew brees the past couple of years, and the third is guy we're going to talk about a little later Brett rippin a lot of similarities wowing these two players. So anybody thought it was a natural Mike quite. Next level. I was like thinking, I was just showing up to work for a normal day like I read through the note this morning is that kind of preparation that this was my prep. Okay. Bring. Chad Pennington Jersey that was the end of my. We got a big show today with obviously some major news that broke just about thirty minutes before we got on the air. But just a reminder before we get into that if you didn't hear, we had a ton of fun. Do our virtual live hang out the first time around. We're doing one more time of the virtual live show mailbag spectacular part do. So if you didn't come last time or you WanNa come again, we have an opportunity to join us one more time. Next. Tuesday. October six at six PM Eastern. It's our second one. It's also our final life podcast. So this is your chance to get into hang out with us. It's presented of course, by GEICO marathon. So here's what you can do. If you want to submit questions, you gotta I register and it's basically an opportunity to hangout with us. If you want to have a beer, you want to hang out and just watch you want to hang out with your kid hanging out next to you that works as well. Asks questions about fantasy football. You can ask questions about nonsense you could ask questions about Chad Pennington really it's up to you again it's next Tuesday October six, six PM Eastern time registration is free I'm. Told that there is still a little bit of space left. We ran out last time Daniel. So make this fast and gross though it's October. First let's fast here people go to bit dot lease Slash Fantasy Focus football twenty, all those are lower case that's bit dot l. y. slash fantasy focus football two, zero all lower case to join us for a fun evening of hanging out all of us here at the Oh six. Oh No. In reminded the fantasy focus football virtual podcasts, the fantasy focus football virtual events are presented by GEICO. GEICO is now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle RV Policies Visit GEICO DOT COM for more marathon fueling the American spirit. into some news and say, it's unprecedented. I am not exaggerating this is unprecedented because this is our first year we've ever dealt with Kobe nineteen in the NFL in the world. And we, have our first postponement. This morning, the NFL did announce that the steelers and titans who were scheduled to play Sunday, the game has been postponed. They have not as of the time we were having this conversation and just in the interest of updated information, it's ten three on my watch east coast time, and there is no word yet on when the NFL will reschedule this game for between the steelers and the titans, there is a very logical solution. As, presented by our NFL, excuse me a bar that's information in a group. You could push this game back Louis pulled out just to make sure I have specs here. is you would potentially try this. Let's see. One more time move steelers and Ravens, which is currently scheduled from week for week seven to week eight. The steelers and Ravens both happened to have a buy in wing eight. So then you'd move the steelers titans game from four to seven. The playout would be the ravens have their bye week a week earlier in the steelers and titans have a bi week of sorts this week and we understand it's not ideal but. I'm having a hard time feeling really bad for people right now, given all the circumstances surrounding the world thereby week isn't perfectly scheduled. I don't want to dismiss the rigors of playing in the NFL. The same time we knew coming into the season anything was possible. We're GONNA have to deal with it and the same way that the titans if this game was played on Sunday or Monday would have had to play with dramatically less preparation and the steelers. These teams are going to have to deal with a modified by week now going forward. Yeah. No question about it, and if you're setting your lineup this week, the key right now is to treat them like they're on a bye week. This is probably when all we don't know for sure it's not locked in, but the thought is that once he reorganized the schedule a little bit this will just essentially be there by week. So that's how you treat your lineup right now. Right so if you have a titan steelers. Player, you cannot put them on I are obviously you just put them on your bench as you would any normal by week, and then most likely later in the season, they would be out you'll be able to use them in your lineup. So it should work out pretty smoothly. Hopefully, we'll see but we're on it just happened as as we just laid out, but for now, put them on your bench. Don't put them in your lineup. That's how you treat week number four, and by the way there have been week number four buys for for absolutely absolutely thing they think know if this is the first year without a week four by but as of like the past couple of years there have been four by. So it's not totally unprecedented to make your alterations in your fantasy lineup, just a house keeping. If, the NFL could make an announcement any moment it could happen for this podcast over. But until that happens if you're opening up your APP right now you're going to see. Postponed next two steelers and titans player. So Derrick Henry and June and guys like that. It will say. When the schedule is officially updated, the apple be updated as well. So for now, you're going to have to find some waiver wire considerations and I would encourage you to go on the waiver wire. We understand that some things did a lot of players were added on Tuesday night as is always the case. I hate to say tough luck but unfortunately, none of us seventy control over this. So we're going to have to deal with this now and it was why at the beginning of the season, we encourage you to have expanded benches maybe even have an IRA spot, but to be clear one last thing the players from the steelers titans, they're not going in your IRA schloss this week and That's not an I are they are. They have been there in a by now. So treat them like they are. If you have a by played fantasy baseball, this is no different than like when game gets rained out and it's postponed to later in the week like it's the same thing. Works it's a very good point there. Again, I know like we take this very seriously loves people listen to this podcast this various seriously but I think we all collectively owe it to each other to be as Nimble and dynamic and empathetic to the circumstances here. Right I mean like if you're sitting here saying like, yeah, my fantasy lineup got screwed like there are eleven people within one organization the now we're dealing with covid nineteen and that might have an impact on their. Family. There might be more positive cases. So let's make sure that we take a big picture approach here as we think about all the circumstances surrounding this news. Now every other game is on and the Vikings are returning to their facility today. It's Thursday, the Vikings of course of the team of titans played this past weekend. There are a bunch of injury updates that we are going to get into four Sunday, and with that, there's no one better to bring in then S-. Your Bell Good. Morning. To you morning Hayfield, before we get to the news, I just wanted to dive tail on what you're saying I really appreciate you saying all those things you know the NFL has had the approach this year and the the league and the NFL PA have told clubs that the two words are to be basically flexible and adaptable, which is sort of like Nimble and dynamic what you just said, and this is a new set of circumstances for everyone. It's nothing they've ever dealt with before. So understand that the league and the clubs and the Players Association they're all working together and These things are being dealt with and learn about on the fly and we are reacting to them for our fantasy show in in the same way. So everybody's ability to be flexible and adaptable will be what is being asked of the players as well. Yeah and the Daniels Point about how this is like a postponed game and baseball like pick about the teams like the Miami Marlins in Saint Louis Cardinals who both of them had major major delays. Early in their season, they happened to both be playing in the postseason and it's like you gotta find a way to power through and shows some. Endurance toughness and that's what these athletes have that most of us don't, and some of the rules may change to as far as how they implement testing I've got these lists of protocols and what they're doing and so far there following them to the T.. But as they learn more, those things could change because virus has an incubation period. I just think it's really worth reinforcing that if you're wondering why can positive tests come up later? Well, for some people, it's not going to show up until. Days later, and and that's why they took the precautions they did to shut the facilities down. So just understand that everyone's moving at the speed of light, but everything's evolving in real time. All right. Well, SAT Bisazza finding in find safari underscore ESPN on twitter because Savannah's timeline is always worth your time she has been very resourceful has been a great resource very educational for someone like myself. That is learning about these things on all things, cove it, and just really anything in life to find out. Let's get to some injuries to find you also happen to know a lot about those and candidate I was caught off guard last night when Alex, Marvez the Great Alex Marvez tweeted that he and Bill Polian were interviewing Bruce Arians on Siriusxm NFL radio and that maybe Leonard for nets ankle injury was thing this wasn't just like a were putting it on the report because our fiduciary responsibility. Was the latest on money. I think that came as a surprise to all of us when you hear that, Bruce you the things coaches say on radio appearances sometimes, this is how we get the best information when they're sitting with the reporters and giving the updates they may not, and then they they make a separate appearance and you get a little tidbit like this where Bruce Arians says that. Leonard Fournette. He's not optimistic about his chances of taking the field. We already know that Chris Godwin is expected to miss this game because of a hamstring Leonard Fournette has had ankle issues in the past not a lot of clarity as to whether this is a repeat of the same problem or there's something new there. But bottom line up practicing and he gave a heads up look for somebody to potentially replace Leonard Fournette this week I mean Mike We. We keep joking about Lana Jones and Mike maybe this is the week maybe it's who knows how do you assess this bucks backfield? I would just say that if he added Rostering Ronald. Jones, like this might be clearest path for him to deliver on. Return. and. Then part of me is like that's like the devil on one side of my one shoulder angel was like Oh, keyshawn bonds. or No that's GonNa say say Gowala GonNa Resign. Jaguars right now, and he'll get two touchdowns. Shawn McCoy revenge game. So more seriously like. Do we think Ronald Jones. This is his job at cemented and you play him with confidence as potentially look at rb to given the fact that. It's not a great match up I. Don't think but the chargers around five starters already on defense. Yeah. I think Ronald Jones will handle it pretty huge chunk of touches in this game i. mean it just looked so far. This season Jones thirty seven carries four, hundred, twenty, four, Lesean McCoy, believe it or not one one Kerry. Okay. So they're just not using him that. Way Ronald Jones should get fifteen plus carries, and if they're leading throughout this game, which they very well might be in this game against the chargers, he could get perhaps twenty. He's GonNa play that role targets have been split pretty evenly but Shawn McCoy has gotten. He's been targeted heavily when he's on the field. So I think he'll still handle that you know that workload by. You Know Jerry Jones is nine targets three Games Fernandez eight. He may take on one or two of what for would have seen so. Fifteen or so carries and three or four or five targets. It's pretty good. I mean definitely an rb to with upside for numbers. If you have Ronald Jones, you put them in your lineup Zach boss was back bills practice to. But what does that mean for him in there was a wide receiver who was not there with them. Yeah is that is that most obviously missed last week because of a toe injury, he was listed as limited. So it's hard to take a read too much from that from one outing although he was not wearing a non contact jersey. So that's something that that is positive. I guess we'll wait and see what he does. Thursday and Friday to see has a chance to play John. Brown's actually the player. I'm more concerned about calf issue you know he's been managing. This foot injury that sort of flown under the radar because he's worked through it and played every week and it's not real clear Sean McDermott not wanting to answer the question as to whether they're related. But this calf issue kept him out of practice and I am fearful that he will not play this week. Okay. I. Would I would I would feel the same way based off of some things that I have heard as well and Mike I don't I Don't know off hand. What percentage of leagues John Brown is started in or has been started in recent weeks probably not a ton. So it's not necessarily making a replacement but when you have an I'm not. Not Speaking to out of turn here. Maybe. The third hottest quarterback and football this year maybe the second hottest quarterback and football I mean you could make the case the Josh Allen over the three Games is has been. Even hotter than Patrick Mahomes as crazy. Yes I'm an. Objectively speaking is been been fantastic. He's not even running quite is Miami's still one of pass heaviest offenses in the NFL Buffalo and he has been lighting it up but you have that kind of quarterback play. You might have a chance for to pass catchers to make hay on Sundays. So SPANDEX had been marvelous this year. So everybody else you know gave Davis had a great touchdown this past week and we talked about called Beasley on Monday on the shoulder, but he had one hundred yards in week three. So is there anybody that? You think has a chance like, would you put new investment into any of other of those players out across twitter touchdown last week not not to into craft there's a reason for that. The bills have been number one in the NFL four plus wide receiver sets right? So they're not even going with a with a tight end all the time now crafted a good if you're in a too tight end league fine. But they have had I, mean it going a little broader here? They've had three or more receivers on the field on one hundred and eighteen out of. Bath Place Yeah Right. So there's always three out there. Suhur them. Three going to be at Brown's out obviously digs on the outside Kobe's Lee in the slot is a flex option. Team. Leaves probably ten team leaks as well. Certainly, formats and mention Gabriel. Davis now I have outside my top fifty I don't feel great. But. He could be DFM this week he should deep leaks pick them up. A few deeply dynasty certainly get him on your roster because look he's been good so far he's got all seven of his targets for one hundred three yards and a touchdown and has mentioned he sat there receiver they like him a lot. You'll see some isiah McKenzie in there as well but they want to get this out on the field they like them there's a reason a day three pick has essentially been forced on the field over Dawson knocks at times they're tight end so. I think that Davis is just that you know maybe a breakout player at some point but. Deep leaks we used it. That's what I think about fantasy football analysis. I almost imagine like if you ran one hundred simulations of a game I, think if you run one hundred, hundred simulations of Raiders on Sunday, I think the number two scoring bills wide receiver in like sixty of those. Is Kobe's Louis And then I think the one who has the best chance not names to on digs to score at least. Fifteen points in twenty five of those simulations. Is Gave Davis know let's uncomplicated way of looking at it, but basically sparks to hey, yeah higher floor versus higher ceiling Cole Beasley seemingly the higher. Floor. Gabe Davis has much higher ceiling it with if you're looking for a flex option who out of nowhere score two touchdowns, Davis is on that list. There's no question about it in a week where we just we had to announce on expected buys within the steelers and the titans for those a misstep of the show certainly could be named keep in mind than deeper league. Alright fine. Last Thursday night. We did not have the charge on the field for the Jaguars Might Garner, mint you have him back this Sunday. I think it's an IT depends. I. Mean. He was back in practice but still wearing a non contact Jersey and last week he was a lot further from playing. I. Think than the team lead on because he was having trouble moving around very stiff, very sore listed on the injured port with both his chest and his back after a hard fall in week two. So I would say they have to see a little more out of him to be comfortable putting him out there and certainly the non context it has to come off by Friday. Okay. is, of course, a matchup with the bengals on Sunday Mike if he does play not to. Get into wide receiver cornerback match too soon. But this game is one of those sort of fun shootout potential Sundays between, of course, Joe Borough, and Gardner. Minzhu? If he plays there is certainly a good opportunity here for why haven't thirty first on my board. So it's not I'm not I don't think he's a must star in any way you seven targets in two games this season, they haven't really been throwing to them I will say this naps and routes basically the same as last season. So we still out there and I think he will come around but we used to adjust for that after two full games have not really seen quite that volume. So again, I think he's a borderline wide receiver three. But maybe at this point, you have a decent option, a healthier option you you could throw in there but not it must start I wouldn't say that So following last week, it was two raiders in both Darren Waller and Josh Jacobs that we monitored throughout the week they both played. I'm telling you guys dermal he really played I promise. He was Belhadj I just thought he was out. He played. This week's to find it's not those two that are drawing the headlines. It's actually some other teammates including Henry rugs to rugs might be available on. Sunday after missing week three, it's really interesting Jon. GRUDEN. Has Gone from calling Henry rugs tough and how much he admired and loved that he played through this knee injury that he hadn't week wine and you wonder if some of that came at a bit of a cost, he was added a hamstring was added to the body parts not clear if they're connected, but the bottom line is that. What has plagued him over the last two weeks and now Jon Gruden saying that Henry Rose is a long shot to play this week I mean, if he comes out and says, it's a long shot for him to play. Then it's definitely a long shot cause. He's usually a accustomed to allowing his players grinded out through injuries Brian Edwards with an ankle injury already expected to miss this week. So they are going to have a tough time at the wide receiver position and he had sixteen guys on their injury report this week I mean. They're banged up for sure. The Raiders Last year to write their first round pick John Abraham place just one game Josh Jacobs broke his shoulder tough through a lot of it but still they've had some bad luck have the raiders with all these injuries too high round draft picks over the past two years. I mean like I I don't know the Henry. Rugs was anybody's lineup obviously same with Brian Edwards I mean. I don't even know if there's a single raiders wide receiver it's on the radar other than maybe Hunter Renfro this week. Yeah. That's what I was GonNa say, I, think with rugs how and Edwards out as well. Run FRO BECOMES THE FLEX auction. We saw last week right nine targets six catches, eighty four yards and a touchdown, and remember that he was in this position late last season right in the second half of the living and. He did he had twelve plus fantasy points and five of his final seven games last year a lot of targets like seven and a half per game during that stretch. So we've seen it before he's thirty seven board again if a couple teams out this week and you know maybe you know maybe you don't use DJ chuck maybe you're nervous about him Renfro a guy I think he could fill in with this with this week and. Stick with PBR leagues, not feeling quite as good about a in on PBS right now pbr like I play in just one non PBR league now. And it throws me for the biggest world right every every week. I'm just like I'm looking at the waiver wire and I'm like Oh. Yeah. The Guy we know he had seven catches for forty two yards never mind. Yeah. Jamison. crowder goes from. The thirtieth best played sixty second total. It is such a it can be a little bit whirl. How about you? You have a question you like what you wanted to ask do you may have asked or answered this yesterday as I was not here. But Henry. Rugs has rostered and over sixty percent of the league's. Okay bye-bye I want to I mean I would think that other than just in Jefferson. All first round wide receivers to me are droppable right now I know there's probably a case for Jerry Judy. But like old talk about this in a moment, the quarterback play is just I mean it's leaves much to be desired right now. He's at opportunities already radio. It hasn't yielded like we haven't seen the monster day yet maybe it'll come but I would say Jefferson should be roster and over succeeding lamb lamb chops roster forgot about land but I I was thinking. So basically, what I'm trying to say was that Hendrix can you say goodbye Brian Roster to know fifty percent of Leaguers are raiders hurt so Yeah, I think there are definitely as we're looking at because this is the reality is that you're going to have to make some considerations this weekend who tropical who is not. So let's do it tangle. Shall We? Let's do it? Let's talk about it talk. Thursday night. Let's do it. I'm ready. I'm ready to do it but I wanNA use to find your one more chance before we get into Friday's big injury dodgy. She has any other remind you reminded me of this to Stefania what Daniel said well, let me get my notes ready because. I have to go through the forty niners. I'm going to pray. For Awhile Yeah. Hey, we have good news we have good. So stay stay for the good news, George kittle full participant in practice and expected to fully every day this week and then expected to play. So you get George biddle back this week Deebo Samuel back in practice with his foot now I had said just because he was coming back to practice not a guarantee that he would play cow Shanahan was. Pretty specific said we just to see need to see him go through three days? What type of shape season if he can protect himself, he'll be out there. So there's a possibility for deebo Samuel to return this week as well. Jimmy Garoppolo did not practice I expect that Nick mullins could get the start again this week we'll see what happens Rahima. Remember, he had MC L. Sprain from that jets game and there was a one to two week projection on him. He did not practice yesterday but was doing some light work on the side. He was out there. That's good. Jerk McKinnon who left last week with a rib injury late in the game full participant yesterday. So expect McKinnon will be fine for this game and then Jordan Reed is headed for for anybody who was wondering. That's. In a nutshell bomb for ordinary this'll be so that he was routed I think two thousand fourteen subvert Evans season as yet to play sixteen games in a full season I believe he's finished on IRA or. Four five of those seven seasons so. Tough injury luck forge ordinary. But hopefully that's a short term one for him and he did help the forty niners get that win against the jets in the week when. I. So he has some positive is what I'm saying it's not made a lot of money in Washington to so he's probably set up himself in the family for. Hopefully very comfortable life going forward after football are Daniel. Now it's time now sign. O' Brian I need my Anco. Brian I need my Anco. Gabriel. With. The game somebody has to win game. It is the broncos going to East Rutherford New Jersey to play the jets broncos rocks you'll one point favorite in this game and we'll get to a couple of the players that might be on the fantasy radar but I an injury updates to find as we Philip Lindsay, he has been dealing with that turf toes or any chance he plays tonight. I think they want you to think he has a chance but I think for fantasy purposes I would avoid because if he does play I, expect that he'll be on a very limited snap count. You know they've only had walked through his in Denver this week. So when you see that he was limited in practice, not really full-bore practices that he's been going through and. Turn, tow it very easy to aggravate that and set you back. So I think he may not play if he does will be very, very limited. Okay. Good to know and sounds like we'll be focusing on Melvin Gordon discussed the outlook for M., G. He is twenty two, my actually fourteen year rank Mike you're pretty optimistic here. Now Greg Williams the jets defensive coordinator made a comment after the forty niners game about how like just took away the long. Run maybe one other run their run defense was as it has been since the beginning of last year typically strong. Are you buying the by the way like you can't do that? That's how would i? Say. If you take all the good plays, dark defense is we count my birdies and bars. All summer just the other ninety, five percent of the whole, right. However Mike. Are you optimistic about Melvin Gordon this matchup is more if it is, is it more matchup is workload or is it a combination of both? It's both. My ranking also assumes Lindsay's outright. So I had him like twenty, four twenty fifth assuming Lindsay's out to fourteenth. so He's been off to a slow start. Yes. But he does have two touchdowns in three games and there's there's a theme here seventeenth and carries at running back fourteenth and target seventeenth. And nineteenth fantasy points, right so he's basically been mid tobacco and rb two so far right? That's gotten from him. And he's facing the jets as you kind of mentioned. Yeah. Big plays there. But fifth, most fantasy points to running back tenth most scrimmage yards. So touch us one player two plays the fifth most touchdowns with four allowed and they've just been hammered against the forty niners colts over the past two weeks. So I think Gordon, if you have them, I mean, what? Where do you go drafted in the third fourth fifth round in that range I? Mean you draft him to be a starter? No Lindsey he's being he's playing the workhorse role in this offense she started you know. I sometimes get over-simplified too frequently but there are a couple of cases where I think oversimplifying things really works this week. One of them would be you have bret rip in making his first career starting. You're probably going to hand football off to your best offensive player right now, which is Melvin Gordon. So maybe the workload needs to be substantial and I don't imagine based off what I've seen from the jets that they are going to have a controlling lead. Any point in this game tonight where Melvin Gordon would be off the field heck. Am I only help value with more pass coaching opportunities but Mike, and this is not the GEICO Trivia but how many seconds this season have the jets held for? Zero Zero. That's correct. They're are the only team in the NFL that has not yet held a lead in a game this season. So maybe Chad Pennington. Maybe if they had Chad Pennington, they'd be winning games. So Melvin Gordon should have games script in his favor as well. We talked about Jerry Judy earlier on Mike. Again, he has had three games as sort of being the guy. The good news is the volumes been there. The efficiency hasn't been great though at least seven targets, each of the three games as a playable tonight in your opinion Forty I on my board. So flexing twelve team leagues is the range I'd go You're right. The volume has been good seven or eight targets and all three games but he's had four four or five catches in all three games and he's been between fifty five and sixty two yards and all three games, right so we know touchdowns he's been in that same range, all three games but at twenty one percent target share twenty-seven percent of the year yards and he's been on the field for two thirds of their past plays right? So he's been out there. He hasn't been really worked as their number one receiver, but he's in terms of targets he has been. Just hasn't play. You know like you've seen Tim Patrick lay more snaps cage a hamlet or times when nonetheless he's been pretty involved I will say this the jets ten few fantasy points to receiver so far it's been low volume. There has not been good at all. It's just that they got crushed by the bills receivers and then they played the forty niners and colts who you're not getting much. Anyway I think that context is really important. There hasn't been good. So I think judy could put up a decent game in this one and that's why I think he's still in that flex range despite the fact that the results haven't been great so far national TV tens of bring out the best in some people. So maybe Jerry Judy has his breakthrough game tonight the last ones no I don't a lot of analysis here. Fans have been really good and. For what it's worth the jets are allowing the highest completion percentage to opponents this year excuse me second-highest seventy, five, point, five percent. So as a matter who thrown to the jets are usually pretty generous to opposing players and fans has looked part of being a star times this year I think he's being dragged down a little bit by the quarterback play that's about it. Yeah. I think he's tenth of my Board A. Couple of things here the jets to face the fewest tight end routes right. So that's why the numbers don't look as bad. They've actually the fourteenth most fantasy points despite facing the few routes that was interesting. They have had three touchdowns. If he's the bill, sue don't throw the tight end much and the Dow two touchdowns, Jordan Reed, and then the one last week to mow alcock. So something to keep in mind their. Fan I you know he's playing almost eighty percent of the snaps at Archer's around twenty percent. Pretty good. This is one thing that jumped out to me though. So twenty targets this season for him, that's good. Twenty, four percent of Jeff Driscoll's throws went to no often that's pretty good. That's already chair only fourteen percent were from drew lock who's obviously not playing mobile zero of nine from Brett. Rippin, last week he didn't go his direction samples really low and I will say this about ripping I think it's worth it. You know what can you expect from him? The report on know he's small a smaller quarterback not doesn't have to strong arm though I do watch them. I did watch his tape from last week and he had some decent sip including hitting Jerry Judy down the it was pretty good zip on his throw, but he's going to be pretty conservative. I think he's extremely accurate, but he doesn't have a huge arm so he's going to be A. Pocket quarterback, he's not going to run a lot. So I do think that's my long way of saying that I think he'll get the ball the fan because he's going to be utilized in that area where he likes to throw the football but I thought that was interesting that he didn't throw him at all last week's game. Can I give this short version of what the Broncos think of Rippin? John elway highlighted this smarts. Okay that was like it was like it from a mentally. I think it was the effect of like you know in talking about. From a mental standpoint, he's an extremely sharp player although I told you before the show a pick six in this game and not surprise me just me some watching him in that first game just coming out, I read throwing it right to the sideline. If you see like bless Austin, just take one right down to said, don't be surprised if that happens but I did like him a little as a prospect he was one of my more underrated players in a in a Pennington cody. Kessler sort of the Kennedy. He's a player that stands to reason that he could be in the NFL for like eight to twelve years in perhaps right? Absolutely. He'll never be a starter other than like very rare circle. This injuries deplete the depth chart, but he'll be in the NFL for eighth twelve years probably make himself. A lot of money are should the jets other side of the coin? Of course, the jets are only three. There's speculation about their head coach being fired eventually, we'll see. There's not a lot jet side of the ball Frank Gore has remained the starting running back with Libyan on bell not do back until at least week five, Jeremy Fallow reports likely week fives target right now, which makes sense because he only has to miss three games. I don't know like I'm not turn to pooh-poohed this game too much. But like how are supposed to get thrilled about the fantasy prospects for Frank Gore in this game like what I love frank forever what's the Best Case Center? For Franco? Tonight fifteen carries for sixty one yards and a touchdown. Yeah I mean I. I would say so he has one hundred and forty four rushing yards season and five receiving yards. He has won the jets as a team have won carry inside the ten yard line that was Josh. Adams two yard touchdown. So that means Frank Gore who's been there lead back basically all three games. Has Zero carries inside the tenure and he's probably not going to score a touchdown. He's not going to be targeted I mean you're the best case scenario is they somehow get a lead and he has twenty three carries for ninety two yards and maybe finds his way into that. That's there's just no real. Let me put it this way for some perspective here twenty fifth at running back and touches this season fifty fourth and fantasy points, and also they're using Kaelin. Balaj now and Mike P Ryan they're getting more guys involved it makes it even worse so. Denver's also run defense to just no reason to be started with their. So banged up right now is Dan. Richer. Draymond Jones amongst other players that have recently been put on I are for them on defense. So, we love Frank or forever one of my favorite players of all times to find and you want to add their own frank core other than just you love. That everyone already knows about because I preach it all the time I. Just I would love to see him on a night where there is no other football game get a touchdown. Great Listen Frank Gordon ever good thing that comes to him. I. Hope we thought he'd one against the forty niners because I thought they would like make sure that happened and then you saw that game in the forty niners were playing on one leg with their hands tied behind their back and still you know rough. Core, I can't believe by the way I thought. I couldn't believe it I am actually I guess I'm thinking of this past week to write the highest I come. To nothing, I mean the forty niners coming into New York, and so week to week league. It's unbelievable. I think the chance or the player that has the best chance to be fantasy relevant in any given week for the jets is Jamison crowder and he missed last week got hurt the week before. He. Be Available. Tonight, and for those of you that are wondering how my Dynasty League team is doing this like the twelve of us has James Connor Derrick. Henry is my starting running backs. It's fine Jamison crowder front of my starting wide receiver. So am I going to have him tonight I think you will these folks reporters yesterday and said not only is he confident that he'll play but he's confident that he will play the entire game. That's something when a player who's coming off a hamstring injury I mean it sounds like he knows the question, right? That's always the issue worry about a setback with a hamstring and of course, until he gets through the game without issue, we won't really. Be Able to fully exhale on the health of his hamstring, but he obviously is feeling pretty good about if he's telling you, he expects to get through the whole game. So yeah very good news for Jamison crowder. Okay. Excellent to know the Jamison crowder back in the lineup tonight Mike I would think you know he's probably Affleck's consideration in most leagues even ten team Leagues Yeah no question about a week one, thirteen targets hundred and fifteen yards at a touchdown just under eight targets per game since he joined the jet. So you know he's being used by the way who is replace them the past two. Weeks Braxton Berrios and he's been pretty good and fantasy touchdowns both so there's top slot receiver as a touchdown in all three games so far this season and I mentioned the Broncos three straight games they've done a good job against the run. They've not done a good job against wide receivers. Fifth most fantasy points allowed fifth most yards second most touchdowns with five, and they allow thirty seven or more fantasy points to receivers in all three games, Titan, steelers, and buccaneers. I, know it's the jets now but crowder is the guy right you could get double digit targets in this game. So I'm with you and PR. He's finding start you know. I love to see play well tonight, who Chris is not gonNA play well, tonight Chris Herndon Chris her you know why the jets hate Chris Herndon yeah. I mean he does leave the team with sixteen targets Mike but that number should be twice that he should be seen sixteen targets every game basically not literally sixteen targets a game but I. don't understand it like Ah, he's blocking and there are all kinds of I'm sure you'd have much better data here about how many routes he's run this year how frequently he's blocking relative to. Pass plays like I feel he's under utilized for a player that is an team that has zero depth whatsoever amongst dynamic playmakers. He's their best chance. Why can't he break out? That's the question I asked menial last week covers the jets. A great job has been for a long time and he said that his answer was basically the jets are confused why he's not producing and I'm like. We're all confused why the jets aren't producing anything offense throwing them football right? I mean it's not that complicated it was such a weird quick. Answer. Like that's not richest fall. Obviously, the jets should be finding ways to get this guy the football. But I'm with you you can't trust him. He's twenty on my board right now eighteen percent of the target so far this season seventy, six percent of the snap. So He's been on the field they're just not throwing them. He's thirty seven yards, five yards, twenty one yards no touchdowns. The broncos have not been good against tight ends but I mean, it's just you might the graphic on the board will own up I might be might have different numbers up there for US your I'm twenty fifth. That's so anyways, we have much lower. We're not advocating for starting Chris Herndon this he's my ten twelve in this game actually. Pretty good I think that's an exaggeration. Just the sake of of of entertainment. Mike who you pick and win this game broncos twenty seventeen. Thousand Seventeen. The broncos as well. Daniel what yet I'm going to take the Broncos but I don't think it's that close. I don't think it's like. I think it's like twenty, four, seven to nine rippin going to get it done for you volume what he got here. I'm GonNa take the broncos. I'll take the broncos nine three tarit. Hope that happens right that'd be that'd be great. The rocket offs the rockies and the Yankees might outscore the jets and the broncos. If the rockies are in the playoffs I should know that I'm much more of a company man. All right. We'll get back with Michael. What makes wide receiver cornerback magic just a moment but remember to wake up with Wendy's breakfast if you haven't tried it yet Wendy's breakfast menu was definitely something you don't WanNa sleep on pick from Fan faves like our breakfast bacon eater, honey butter, chicken biscuit, and frosty Chino, or mix and match, and make your own breakfast Dream Team. How about that? For Morning Win Wendy's breakfast spread the word at participating US Wendy's. 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Cowboys the cowboys could probably not cover me. Is there a chance Odell Beckham breaks out on Sunday? I think so and I know you and I have talked about this on this show fantasy football now in person now for a couple of weeks, but the cowboys has totally beat up at the cornerback position Showbiz woozy a was basically their number one corner he's on I Anthony Brown was in the slot out of the gate he's on I are and Tron digs. The rookies are other star. He's only the second most fantasy points and coverage among cornerbacks this season. So are there outside corners in this game it's going to be digs on one side and it's going to be Daryl. Worley who they converted the safety right He. was supposed to be our third safety. Now he's he's starting every down perimeter corner. So the cowboys as a result, as you can imagine, second most fantasy points allow too wide receivers to third most players lineup on the outside. That's where odal Beckham winds up eighty seven percent of the time. He'll be on these two guys throughout this game. By the way, all three wide receiver units, the cowboys at face season have reached one, hundred, eighty, nine receiving yards and fifty three fantasy point seven total touchdowns between Atlanta and Seattle. Wide Receivers they've just been getting crushed at the secondary so far this season Beckham should be next on the. He's pretty he's pretty good at football. He's really good. I just want to make it happen just right I mean I don't know what it is I can't pinpoint it. No one can pinpointed if somebody could would would've changed a long time ago it's not like Odell has become less explosive. He hasn't slowed down as catch radius to still ridiculous. It just feels like the connection that we've been yearning for has not been there for again nineteen. Thus far another one it is a good matchup is going to the Vikings which in previous years, it would be the other side, right it'll be the vikings to be an avoid. Now there are welcome in join the party have one hundred plus yards which mean good things for Willfuller no question and you can just throw brandin cooks rate in here right because both of these guys. Lineup on the perimeter about two thirds of the time. So they're going to see some combination of Cameron Dancer Jeff Gladdy Houghton Hill now. Glad Nian glad knee and dance are both rookies the both of had a hard time a little bit this season dancers missing time with injury. We'll see if he plays but if he's still out, it'll be glad knee and hill on the outside. And by the way I before I really get into this finally for Houston right I mean their schedule so far has been ridiculously toll chiefs the Ravens in the steelers, the steelers have given up quite a bit to receivers season, but the chiefs of the fewest the steelers. you know they've struggled Baltimore's obviously terrific against receiver. So it doesn't get much tougher. Finally, they have a good matchup here. So perhaps, they can get on track vikings by the way a couple numbers here fourth most fantasy points to receiver six most of the perimeter seventh, most of the slot three hundred and fifteen yards, four touchdowns, seventy-nine fantasy points to the packers, and we did find against the colts. As we mentioned, they've been beat up at that position and then right to two hundred and twenty yards titans wide receivers. Last week, we saw Adam Humphreys score a vertical touchdown against the secondary so they've had a hard Time fuller cooks and even Randall cobb into saw we're upgrading all of these guys I just would of never imagined a world that we get to three straight games. Mike Zimmer couldn't figure it out with the secondary the guys you spare parts throughout his Defensive Coordinator and coaching career to turn out good secondaries and it hasn't happened with again a very young. But like some of these players they're relying on these are not like you know undrafted free agents. This is like I and three picks that they have just not gotten the most out of as of yet. Meanwhile, Xavier Rhodes Indy just doing great he has been great. The roads are back to being close to interceptions so far for examiner roads right now, the matchup downgrade so that same game like I don't know how many people would think of the Texans as a cornerback group you should fear but should Adam feeling Ba-, fearn it. You should fear one specific player maybe not the other guy. So Bradley Roby has been terrific and let me quantify that for you so so far his assignments this season. This is tough. Right these assignments through three weeks shadow tyreek hill, and week one. Markey's Brown and week to Indiana Johnson last week. Left with an injury that's it's tough to be one on one with those guys. Those three wide receivers combined for eight targets, six catches, sixty five yards, and one touchdown on forty routes against him. The only big play was that remember that tyreek? Hill across the Middle Right? Remember that that was the only big play. Really loud. so He's been tremendous so far this season I think he'll shadow and he's been on the outside eighty one percent of the time this season that would make sense. Robby to travel with him I don't think it's a lock just because what we saw this just in Jefferson last week and he's playing outside more but I do think he'll travel with. Ethan. Still there number one wide receiver by the way if that happens just in Jefferson vern hargraves who's been one of the most speed up corners in the NFL the past three four since he came into the league that'd be that positions him for another big game. Yeah. Well, it'd be nice to see seven catches for hunters seventy five yards last week for Justice Jefferson and This is not a specific match up here Mike, but just the Patriots chiefs matchup, and obviously in this case, we're talking about the Patriots defensive backs against the chiefs litany of skill players. How do you think this thing may shake out how do you and we actually have sample size here right here we've seen the Patriots played quite a bit since he became a starter how do you expect to patient are to slow down this group of playmakers? They played three times over the past two seasons and sometimes. You know the NFL is known injuries and players rotate rosters all the time, the turnovers crazy but it's basically the same players in the Patriots Secondary and wide receiver for the chiefs is basically the same guys that we're pretty good idea what to expect here. The past three matchups have all seen Stephon Gilmore Shadow. Sammy Watkins. All three, right. So we know what they're playing is there Jonathan Jones has mostly been tyreek hill, the past two games and Jesse Jackson Chateau, Damarcus Robinson last week air last season's game so. The results have been really good for tyreek hill his stats in those three games fourteen catches two hundred and forty six yards three touchdowns on twenty three targets, not as good for Watkins Ten for one, eighty two and no touchdowns and twenty targets just three games, right? This is over the three games, right? Right so. All that being said. The Patriots have a lot of lots of receivers this season I. No, they haven't been quite as dominant as the past two year seventh, most fantasy points to receivers as eighth most of the perimeter. But still I'm not I'm not certain Sammy Watkins that. I'm still GonNa Start Tyreek Hill obviously I'm not in any of the receivers I'm still starting. Travis Kelsey obviously. That's it. I mean that's a long way of saying that I think people are a little bit a little bit sort of weary. A little bit I I want to emphasize a tiny bit because last week we had this conversation about Darren Waller and it was like, Hey, you might downgrade them might have been daily fantasy, but you're not benching him turns out you probably should have benched him I mean not that you shouldn't have mentioned the process was correct there staring waller twelve catches the week before guess a very good defense in New Orleans just a reminder that when you have more limited group pass catchers, inferior quarterback to the chiefs that Patriots might be able to body you up. But as Mike said role ahead with homes and Kelsey and hail and Clyde Edwards layer as well. All right. Daniel I'm back off to you. Yeah. You are. You. Know whatever you want to protect nobody has more ways to help keep you safe than ADT. 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So Christopher rattray wants to know if he should be playing Mo- Alley Cox over Evan Engram this weekend are you buying another big week another boom week from Mohali Allie Cox I tell you what? I don't know that I'm buying a major boom week from Wiley Cox more than then also provided more than ever ingram. I mean. We talked about this on yesterday show. He's run over thirty routes per game run over a hundred routes in total three games and yet they can't seem to get him going and I don't know if that's an ingram issue I don't know if it's a protection issue for Daniel Jones I don't know that the entire offense is just sort of slowly crawling out of the gates here early on this season mink. But actually don't know that it's the craziest decision. I certainly would prefer still to go with Evan Ingraham personally as is reflected in my rankings but. I. Think it's at least possible that Alley Cox, who for those of you who are also wondering played college basketball at Vcu so glad you noticed give an edge I mean no yes. Would you play Birmingham I'm GonNa Chase the volume on this I'm going to stick with Ingram okay. He's six tight end and targets so far almost a nineteen percent target around nineteen percent target share. So I'm going to go that direction by the way Jack Del play last week he was questionable wasn't used I don't think he was even targeted in that game he could ramp up a little bit in this game I think golly. Cock is gonNA stay involved but. I'M GONNA go stick with volume here and go with Evan Ingram Mike Clay is always very pragmatic and sensible and following logic one catch for six yards. Look like A. Expletive. Yeah Yes beep. Yes Axel motives expletive. All right. So Michael so was like sort of like create stats every once in a while and one of them is Ot d did anybody else use this now Mike is still proprietor. This is yours and yours only this is the minute you hear expected touchdowns lot expected. Fantasy points is starting to grow and grow. You're seeing that more in the industry it's very important name we beat or know what's that you collect royalties on the I should yeah. Okay. I need an attorney lawyer candidates you need you need A. We need to send around people to be able to make sure that we're we're getting points. Yeah. You're on the fantasy show right? You have senior commercials I have I do a number of things on the fantasy show we'll do. So the so explain for those that aren't familiar I'm sure most people in this audience are just a reminder what ot is and what measures. So. It stands for opportunity adjusted touchdowns, and again it's like you're expected touchdown total based on your usage. So what would the average player have in terms of touchdowns and again we can apply this to fantasy points as well with. If they saw this exact volume, the same location if you the ball is thrown fifty yards outfield field and you catch it at the five yard line and walk into the end zone, what are the odds that would turn into a touchdown for the average player? So I chart every single play every single target touch everything across the NFL come up with an expected touchdown total based on us for every player, and then we can look at WHO's getting the opportunities who's below that number who's over that number, and that can help us project touchdowns better than looking at touchdowns which are very random. I sounds like a lot of work. But we won't hold it against him because I think it's important information that we can apply to fantasy not just for this week but also going forward and who is the leader not de so far this young season Mike I don't know if you've heard of this guy as Zach. Gill. Elliott is that. As. You know what he got covered by Jeff Okuda last week. Thanks. Mess up one pronunciation week you're allowed that. You're every couple. Ezekiel there it is good cowboys. Cowboys feature under four point seven TD leads the NFL. He's four touchdowns. So He's pretty much right on track easily could have five. Second with seven carries in the inside the five, the season believe it or not up put you on the spot who leads the NFL and carries inside the five carries inside the five this season. I'm. GonNa go with Todd Gurley is running back Jordan Howard. Sorry. No. Yeah. You're not allowed to answer Jordan Howard I should have known. Howard. Air At. Ten percent of the snaps the NFL and carries inside the five. But Zeke thirty carries second and routes that running back to seize number three scoring running back a lot by the way efficiency shockingly low for him. Three point, eight yards per carry and three point eight yards per target. Both of them are atrocious. So the efficiency for Zeke has not been good but the volumes been great. So he's been great and fantasy saw. This it's the jets and the cowboys are the only two teams that a fifteen plus yard run so far this season one of those things is not like the other. I. Mean You'd expect that every week from the cab was zero so far this season worth noting they have very banged up offensive line. So that's the OT TD leader. US have an ot surprise players inside the top ten that very few of US would think. Shadow Kyle soppe because he picked one out, he was going through and said this one jumped out to him. So that's how we're gonNA talk about Jimmy Grandma I think he's a great topic right? Because I'm sure people are wondering should we buy in the last week? Should he be in lineups right now he is ninth for the season in OCD he is a two point nine td his three touchdown. So yes, in the the numbers do match up with his opportunity so far. He leads all tight ends not. He's tied for the end zone target lead as well with four at that position, and we saw last week six catches sixty yards, two touchdowns against the Falcons on ten targets. He's run around on seventy four percent of their routes in one game sixty seven of their pass by sixty, seven percent and seventy six percent. What does that mean? That means if they call passes runner out three quarters of the time you'd like to see that for sure and. I used similar staff before a split here. Mitch trubisky targeted Graham on eleven of eighty six throws. It's thirteen percent nick foles last week seven of twenty eight. So, quarter of his balls went to gram interesting and yes seen foles utilize the tight end with Philly as well. So. I I'm buying on Graham as a borderline Tannen. He was the topic or the answer I should say for the GEICO Trivia question on Wednesday I think the question was who leads the NFL in end zone targets right column getting a double thumbs up from collar for their which means I was not totally off there. How about players over achieving Mike based off of what you would expect ot over achieving would be this is a really interesting topic. UK Metcalf. Okay, right. So this is really interesting. Three touchdowns season is tedious zero point six, which means the average player with his usage would have either zero or one touchdown did very interesting. He has four touchdowns. This he I was Gonna say that yeah. He basically four touchdowns you're right and that would not have affected is td. He just had to take one more step forward and so would have been the same. It would had four touchdown. So anyway, he is one hundred and fifty eighth in OCD this season. So it just shows you how over his head he essentially is the only use one end zone target led the NFL that category last season is production has been strangely consistent for a player that uses a vertical weapon four for ninety, five, four for ninety, two, four for one, ten touchdown and all three games. I thought this was interesting too. I did a little research here twenty four point eight yards per catch the season he's on pace for over sixty catches so far the NFL record for yards per reception on sixty plus catches is twenty three point two. There's a trivia question that you'll never that one but you think that is mark late Anderson from way back nineteen sixty, five lance worth. Oh, not. So you might have got that into under guesses. Probably not. But anyway. So he's not gonNA. He's actually keep up the radar obviously, right so All. That being said, touchdown rate yards per catch. They're all GONNA come down. There are going to progressive I mean. But the silver lining is good at football top two weapon for Russell Wilson and the pass heavy offense in the NFL. I still think he's a borderline wide receiver and maybe the best deep throwing quarterback. In the NFL, those are those are believable. How good is yeah. Unbelievable. How good he isn't that how underachiever? So far this season Clyde Edwards Allaire one touchdown four, point one td again a lot of that came in week one right but I'm GONNA ask the the stat here. I'm not in D did not turn a take away the merits of it but just if all of the opportunities game in week one and I, think it was like two separate drives where he had the opportunity to score is four O. T. D.'s at. Combining those drives plus other drives. It includes every play so even if they just keep giving it to the goal line, it's GonNa keep racking up Oh td, which is a tough call I get this question all the time and in a nutshell. There's pledged minuses but I'm working on I'm working with sports information department to focus on drive by drive to to Kinda have an adjusted OCD. So we'll work on that but anyway, every play is a separate play they could have thrown it someone else told us. That so anyway. The fact is he's he's well below that mark but I do think he's going to bounce back I think he's a player even to try to trade for if you can. He's played two thirds of the snaps seventy percent of their carries have gone in fourteen percent of the targets believe it or not. He's fourth in carries an targets at running back right now. So the volume there has been good they're going to score more rushing touchdowns, and by the way if you're wondering if these taken goal, I, work away from them. They have to run plays inside the ten over the past two games. Patrick mahomes going Edwards got the other. So I don't think that's the case. Don't worry about that. We talked about him a couple of days ago saying after Monday night game being like we suggested in the preseason to take between six and ten and your drafts. If we were to Redo drafts right now, he probably go somewhere between six and ten absolutely don't panic. He's the volume so. He'll be okay overachieved he hasn't totally underachieved separate from the OT statistic there. So a couple of social questions they presented by our friends at Geiko they are Geico social questions of the day going to start with this first one we'll go through these pretty quickly. Stacey Evans wants to know is this the week for Joe? Mixon please that sounds like a Mike Clay question what do you think they are playing the Jaguars Defense? Are you? Scared of them are they've allowed three point, two yards per carry so far, which is fourth best in the League they've been good against somebody rb ten for me lots of rushing volume no receiving evolving. That's what I expect to coming into the season. So I don't know if he breaks out but are beaten. Okay. Kay. I'M GONNA send this one that's define your at Joseph Chevy wants to know rest of season David, Johnson or James Connor So I'm GonNa, go with David Johnson because I think that he's clearly the guy in Houston and connor will have these up and down weeks They probably are both considered injury risk by some I think that the injury risk on David Johnson's been overblown James. Connor we've already seen it this year, but then we thought there was going to be backfield split connor getting bulk of the work and but I think it'll be up and down for him and so I. Think more favorable matchups for the Texans are on the way, and I would go with David Johnson. All right. We're going to do one more quick. One here comes from at Dan Jokes wants to know what I do Marquees Brown do I wait for a big game and sell do I hold tight and hope that he develops consistency this season I would hold tight and hope that he continues to develop touchdowns because didn't he go five plus catches for one hundred plus yards Each of the first two games like I understand that you would love touchdown in either one of those two games but I'm okay with mark. Brown this past week was a bad week fiscal the entire Ravens often so I'm not going to single him out on a night where you got nothing from the running backs Lamar got your fourteen points which hilarious that's his floor but still Nolan perform well, this past Monday and I think that things bounced back in a major way. On Sunday against a very undermanned Washington football team anything else Daniel. Now that's they're all good. Okay. Great job with the GEICO social questions of the day from Daniel DOPP again, jets and the broncos play tonight will back on Friday with a preview of all things you need to know about all games for the weekend. Of course then big new to the day steelers titans has been postponed. We'll see if we have an update a date for that game for Mike and Daniel. Kyle. That two guys to Moreau You in. A.

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BK Recaps The Raiders Game and Remembers Floyd Little

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BK Recaps The Raiders Game and Remembers Floyd Little

"Will be no deaths by inches. This is the broncos daily. Putt jazzed with brandon krisztal. I want everything i want. All the meatballs and pasta happy new year broncos country can't call it a happy monday not a victory monday. It's final. Monday after the final broncos game of the twenty twenty season obviously twenty twenty one and the broncos found a way to snatch a loss from the jaws of victory at the same time they did improve their draft position so i guess everything in life depends on perspective right. They played well. You saw drew lock have a clean game. No turnovers no fumbles no interceptions. Three hundred thirty nine yards on twenty five of forty one passing two touchdowns including that late. Slant jerry jeudy that. The rookie turned in a ninety two yard into a ninety two yard score the second longest broncos rookie. I don't know if you all remember. Any world had a ninety three yarder all the way back in two thousand eight. But that play for judy was the longest play from scrimmage in the nfl this year and all of it was kind of overshadowed by the loss of the great floyd little not the most surprising news when we heard over the weekend that he had passed on friday he had been in hospice since before thanksgiving rare former blood a reform cell cancer and just a tragic story all the way around but he was a great great man a great ambassador a great football player and really the reason. The broncos are still here. In denver floyd little was the franchise he saved the franchise and it was wall after he should have been in the hall of fame that he was finally acknowledged and took his rightful place in canton in two thousand ten but his last game was in nineteen seventy eight. He should have been in the hall of fame in nineteen eighty. Three it's that simple so you had nearly thirty years That he had to wait. But as i say better late than never i was lucky enough alongside big allen pal deemak to be there in twenty ten outside the room when floyd found out that he got in and it was funny it was. They were looking for his family. Gone out to buy some souvenirs so they weren't even in the room with all of fame came over to tell him that he had officially made it. And so then we're hanging out outside all any pulls us and gives allah big hug and were there celebrating with family for just for a minute or two. It wasn't our moment but it was. It was cool to be in there and just feel that energy and then what a great speech he gave in in the hall of fame at the hall of fame in two thousand ten. And in fact. I'm going to play an interview that i had with floyd at the end of this podcast and i want you to hear his hall of fame speech. All of that is coming if you feel like waiting all the way until the end but let's look at the game yesterday the broncos when the takeaway battle they end up with four takeaways two interceptions justin simmons got his fifth of the year. Sixteen in the first five years of his career. The only bronco to do better than that. And i five years in franchise history champ bailey. Who had i believe eighteen in his first five years michael ojemudia four forced. Fumbles one of only three rookies the last twenty years in the nfl to do that. So he's awesome positive. Things only four defensive. Starters played every snap on defense. Not every snap. Started every game because josie julien alexandre johnson. Feel a little bit but the two inside linebackers and then the two safeties. Justin simmons and green jackson started all sixteen games. Those four guys on defense on offense by my count lloyd cushenberry and reisner or the only two offense. The players start every game. Jerry jeudy technically started fourteen but if you want to consider him a star you can say that he was there for all sixteen sometimes just formation. So it's kind of silly next year you're gonna have to be better right one of the big things that people forget about super bowl fifty was the broncos had their top fourteen defenders from week one started in the roller played in the super bowl. You had your eleven starters plus bradley roby. Plus shane ray shaq barrett so the fourteen guys that you use most and in fact the only two guys played significant snaps most of the season warning the super bowl were omar bolden who was essentially a fourth corner. And david bruton your third safety. They both went on. I r late in the year. Bruton after breaking his leg in the steelers when he played all those games her all the snapped with a fractured leg. Which was pretty remarkable. I think he played ninety percent of snaps after breaking his leg. And then omar bolden. I believe one on. I are during the playoffs. That was it so you had your top fourteen years and just remind you how important health is on offense. You lose courtland sutton early in the year. That steelers game in week two. And i think that set the tone that came on the heels of the von miller injury the number of games lost. We could go on and on and on and you'll hear that As we go inside the locker room and listen to what vic fangio said andrew lock and jerry jeudy as well as you'll hear from michael ojemudia and draymond jones who had a really nice second year is going to be count undo even bigger things in year three. Especially if the broncos can't work out a deal to bring shelby harris back so let's start with. We'll we'll skip over the conversations with dave. They were good but they were all breath because of timing. And we'll jump right into the zoom call with vic and we'll go in order that is told you so here's vic after the game and he began by talking about the three injuries to reisner graham glasgow and tim patrick. All three didn't finish a game sprained his ankle. Think graham shoulder that he's been nursing acted again in. Tim sprained his foot. Two more for you on last sequence there. How much starting to run in another plane. With nine seconds ago there was a sudden second settles and we did run another play. We tried to you. Know you may want the Before the field goal yeah or now you know we felt like the couple yards that we might get grant was in a good spot there. We just wanted to go in and didn't want to risk losing the time and their last drive while they're free l. Times could you see what were they able to do that. He just us Got open you know. He's a really good receiver and we had a hard time with him. You know pretty good bit. Most of the day vick. How would you assess drew's play and jerry's bounceback game from last. Because it's very happy for jerry bounceback back. The way did i thought he would. You know. I thought last week's game like i said would could be a defining moment for him that he needs to come back from the obviously did that very happy for him. And then i drew. I thought played wealthed. Twenty four thirty nine. You know we had over three hundred yards nope. We didn't turn the ball over. So i thought overall drew played good football of iglesia. Obviously one four year last five and headed into the offseason with a lot of optimism. Obviously not the same record. You guys wanted this year but Carry that same optimism into this off season and if so what. What kind of feels that. Well i just thank. The optimism comes from you know getting a bunch of these guys back that have been injured and missed a lot of time. That will be a good place to start. Think we have a lot of young players that got valuable playing time that will grow from this You know from them. Nail the buick. They will watch cut ups and film themselves for over sixteen games. They'll they'll benefit from that greatly and we'll have the second year of our offense in there. You know that these guys will be able to grow into even more alert touch drives they get to the one in and you guys cope time out. I was just wondering what happened. There is one sure what personality in there. And i wanted to make sure that we had the ideal personnel in there for us and the with that little time left you know. I just thought it was important there to burn the time out so we were straighten what we were doing and what they were doing that. They tweaks as the game went on ticket. Some of those guys free other on their last couple scoring on. Not really you know they. They've got a really good passing game. That a good quarterback good guys to throw to. They ran lot of the same routes. They've been running all year. Can't fault the effort in the last game of the season but came up short again. How much retrospect do you think. The lack of a regular tracy's off-season preparation affected your your young team. And what does it need most to improve. Despite just being a year-old y'all have a negative effect. But you know all all thirty two teams had to deal with it. You know we are young team so probably had more of an adverse effect on us than some of the other teams. You know so. I don't think there's any two ways about that that it was negative in that regard and i forgot your second question there mar marco head. In addition to being a year older you know for drew and everybody else. Where does this team need to. Is it just a matter of being a year older finish games or is it something more than that that this team moving forward the using that will help getting our guys back that at missed a lot of time this year defensively today i think we you know i say we have twelve starters on defense because the nickel position is glazed a lot and i believe we were down eight eight of those twelve starters for us so to get those guys back will be a big jolt force and for these young guys to improve that We played a lot on both sides of the ball and Just another year maturation thumper. Few more coach turnovers. What was the difference there in terms of forcing them today versus the rest of the season. Well we had some big hits jarred the ball out twice which was great to see Got a couple of picks one from each of our safeties that were good to see. You know it's rare that you lose a game when you are plus four. I'm not sure what stats are. But it's a really really high and you know just kind of the way it's bad you know we've just haven't been able to finish games when we have delayed the right way you know. We've protected the lead defensively and four of our five wins. We had to go out there and preserve the win. We did that some other ones where we didn't We needed to do better when we had the ball on our last drive you. We went out of bounce there. We had a penalty with curtis. So those are the things that We got improve and then just wanted to get your thoughts on honoring for little today. I thought it was great. You know floyd was great player. I remember when i was a kid watching him. And he was one of my favorite players growing up. So great player said see him go and all-time broncos at your assessment work in the off season and coached. You let it breathe for a week or two like you did last year. You jump right in to start making assessments as you try to. You know you obviously to make some personnel decisions How does that work now. I think we'll we're going to work the next few days and then take some time off with covert restrictions and everything. They're gonna close down for most people for at least a week or two show and we'll get back at at that point yet. Vague justin had his fifth interception. This season today. How important has he been for you guys. How much will you advocate for. Happy to have him back season. Well just the great player. We all know that we love him is definitely a guy that we want back in all in all of our plans and just love to have him he plays good is a good person and We all want him back on. Foods acted michael. Go head coach. Thanks for talking with us today. what did you think of michael ojemudia game Especially the two big hits. He had those great big hits to see him. Get there You know he's another guy that you know. I think will improve from this season. Just from being put in the fire there he was a guy that missed a lot of training camp. Besides all the other stuff that everybody missed and I think mike will be a good player. Moving forward for us. Michael spencer and jet fast you about the time before the fourth in one The play after that when they're going to what happened there looks like from the tv. They were a little confused on their sideline before you took time out. Yeah we want to make sure that you know. We know exactly who they had there. And how we wanted to play you know thought it was more valuable at that time to use that time out then i would have liked to saved. Obviously but you know the game at that point you. Thanks coming down to that two point player so coming up that loss when you're looking for things to build on the amount of snaps the young played and mention. It was really really big. What will it mean as it relates to this team and drew lock. We'll find out exactly what drew locks role is. I expect him to be back in the starting quarterback. I think there will be some competition. That'll be stiffer than jeff jurisco. But i don't know if it'll be somebody that can actually beat him out and going back to last week. When you heard. Melvin gordon shelby harrison Just player after player. Continue to extol drew's virtues beyond. Just oh yeah. He's a. He's our quarterback and we're gonna follow him it wasn't just cliches or was nuance to the answers. There was depth and and there's a belief that he can have games like you had yesterday over and over and over. That's what the broncos see vic fangio said. That's what john elway has said. And so when you look at so many teams that are struggling to figure out their quarterback situation the broncos while it's definitely not perfect could be ahead of the curve especially as as you mention with the offense coordinator coming back and gonna talk about that. You'll hear me ask him about it but he was asked to begin. The zoom press conference about the silver linings take from this year. And maybe what to be optimistic about heading into twenty twenty one. Yes without a doubt autism Nari now probably not for the next couple of hours away from us. That could have been a great way to end it out. But i doubt optimism now is i looked at a team started off really young kept growing and goes on naked. That plays that now. We're just finishing up for football. I'm excited to grow with these guys and keep going and you'll make this offseason the best months of my life to be ready coming in the next year but there is optimism without a doubt my isan they optimism is in the growth. That can be done on this off. Season legit off season. Both games on our mobility will go back and look at study. Same thing fleeting. Oh coming in with the same same office coordinator for the second time ever muscle ball playing career. I loved that and look forward to that. There's yeah twenty twenty or weird year band no doubt and football and all other ways and you guys had a lot of injuries and very little preparation of a lot of young guys but on the other hand it's not interceptions or touchdown pass is winning law winston losses. That's the real measure of quarterback. So have you balance all that. Of like hey. This was a tough year to try to get something done with. Taking responsibility of five eleven. Not being where you want to be as a quarterback or as a team You know there's not a lot to think about any quarterback that place in sleep out. Not but they won't wanna finger pointing right back at themselves. The ball ball everything. You do well with it. That's our job to field. The moving and the other tank is around us. Look they're all pros. That is what our job is in if they mess up stars job in the world in my opinion I love doing it. I love doing allah all shoulder to shoulder all the bad stuff guys in the locker room and through his organization. Because i love doing. I love playing this game. I love i love getting better in the offseason plant. Unlike last time when any kind of had an idea where he wanted to do. But it's a lot that can change in this off season it's going start with you know the mental side of physical size. Well bring drew to real quick. How nice would for jerry to bounce back so you can have that to build versus hoping to get together in the off season if a normal game or a quiet game and then you mentioned you. Hope pads bagwell victims. Told us you'll have the same offense going into next year. And john indicated as much on thursdays so knowing that how much of a relief is that. Yeah i think. I mean. I'm not i'm not at all i mean. I want to say that. Sound weird. But i need to come out and do this. I knew he was gonna come out and do this He had a rough had a rough on charges. We knew come back out here. There is no doubt in my mind. I was going to sing the ball tomb in this game. There was no hesitation where i trust jerry with with the ball. In regards of having the same officer coordinated. That'd be awesome for me Like i said. I would be the same time and second time in my career. The and That's a big I wanna be able to come into. Ota's and training camp in just fine tune things. I think we're good at and get better at things. Maybe we need some improvement on which isn't necessarily what we got to do this year. We just figured out here to place for you figured out what we were gonna get better at it. Drew tyree cleveland. A bunch in the first half. When tim was out what what impressed me about the way he is able to get open for. Something plays multiple years. And i was very new. The he was always a problem. Came into play those guys. I saw this guy killed and get separated magnay coverage now that they're trying to throw at us in that first half he did a fantastic job again opening just typical of us. This here. another guy getting called up answering was number was called megan replacing you. We're gonna wrap drew. Surely he will be available more. For how critical was it for you to finish the season with a game with no turnovers. I heard it. That's means critical every game. That was big for us to do But it was all the way he's right. They didn't do it but they do. Have the ninth overall. Pick now by not winning supposed to pitch picking somewhere between thirteen and fifteen last year. They pick exactly fifteen they got jerry. Jeudy jerry jeudy with a big bounce back game five catches one hundred forty yards at ninety two yard score and he was locked in. I began the zoom presser. So here was jerry. Us postgame jerry last week when i asked you obviously it was a pretty low point so i know you didn't get the win today but take me through where you were a week ago to where you are today after the performance of today ours is thinking we last week. So idea. everything apologised michaux-chevry on into s q. Jerry what happened. Can you take that ninety. Two yarder obviously looked like once. You got into space. Were you thinking score it was. It was a blurb. Oh yeah let's a whole goose space a boss. You know it in the school. I'll do school and your teammates have told me that they believe you would bounce back because of how hard you work. And how much matters. Did you have any doubt you bounced back. Today i had little dwelling sir worldwide a new light. The last game won't be one less back in my whole life for a lot. I learned a lot from that game so coming into this game which is a lot more focus of a lot. More focus on the details in discussion of all eight jerry. Now that the season's over and over eight hundred yards on the season. How you would evaluate your rookie season. And how big is it to close out on a game like this to be better to close off with a w book all my receive only a good start but a lot more work. All of a could have been better on. But no it's george jerry. How much do you think a normal quote unquote normal. Offseason will help you. And and and then secondly how much did you think maybe not having a normal offseason kind of downplayed a little bit of rhythm you could have gotten with you face of i'm just asking i'm just wondering how much you think in a normal off season would mean for your game having not had one this off season because of the pandemic also you know you have a lot of repetition but offer me day in day four but you prepare your not so hard to and what did it mean to have this game today so that you don't have to go into the off season with that that bad game in your mouth from you just you don't wanna you don't wanna bag game. Also i'm sure on this day power just to make plays an all our finished strong grown really jerry. How do you think your andrews relationship has built this season in. How much stronger can't maybe get with the full offseason. All i feel like east each and every day. We build a loud crepes deal. Throughout the whole season you know was the last question asked. Just how much more it can help to have a full offseason to build that relationship with drew a lot lot of rubber to each other during the offseason so you can build chemistry up on this key. Works into the season. Guess with korla sign back another year. Spending the entire offseason withdrew. Expect a big big year from jerry jeudy in twenty twenty one on the other side of the ball. They've got some young pieces. That should nixon nicely with the vets. That'll be returning big question. Mark about von miller and what his contract look like. Do the broncos extend. I'm that's what i expect to happen. And i think the von hopeful for that. And i think john elway wants vonda finish his career here so rather than counting twenty two and a half million cap and paint them seventeen five. They can work it out where he may still make money next year but a signing bonus gives them a lot more cap flexibility. They also have to decide. It's a team option. Cream jackson. ten eleven million bucks so what. The salary cap is affects that as well as justin simmons of course the pro bowler this year is going to command top dollar so that'll probably start between fourteen in could go as high as sixteen over four five years annual so. I think that they're going to have some tough decisions. I don't think he'll be back. As i've said i don't think that. Aj boy we'll be back so that'll clear up some money and then shelby can get more money elsewhere. Do the broncos still make the most sense for them even if they're offers a little less than than what he is hopeful to get her expecting to get on the market. That didn't work out for him like he hoped last year. But that brought him back and he had another really big year despite missing four games because of covid and then the last two games or last game at the end of the year with a knee issue in fighting through an elbow issue as well. But a couple of rookies are young. Guys that you should be excited about michael ojemudia andrea jones e. saying basketball comes back from a knee. I think it'd be excited about that too. But we all know that needs can take a little bit of time depending on on the player. And how quickly will he be reintegrated. I do think the broncos top need is probably going to be cornerback because bryce callahan. You just can't trust them even though he plays really well when he's in there he's missed more games. Then he's played over the last two years after missing all of last season and then the last six or seven games a year. Plus i think one early in the years well the atlantic right cornerback. Michael ojemudia we know is a big part of their plans. He ends up with those four force. Fumbles which means He's sticking his head in the right place he's he's making plays on the ball. And so here's michael ojemudia following last night's game and like jerry jeudy. I let off the question and answer session with judy as well. Michael with those two forced fumbles at a year in pretty rare company. I'm not sure. How many rookies of forced that many fumble your want to nine four three four. Just take us through that and overall your season from beginning to now we see making emphasis of getting the ball back to the offense in. We do a lot of work with the punching the ball out in your head on the ball so we work in that type of stuff and our during the game and during those moments better just have to excuse our back in michael. Have you always thought of yourself as a big hit type of player. Yeah ever since high school if you wash my tape i've always been my mentality so you know i it kind of a slope this year but i just wanted to make a statement this game regarding how do you how would you assess your season because you had big plays about moments where you know coach bench to you but it seems like you've come through adversity on the other side. How would you assess iraq just after the last game but you feel like you're trending in the right direction. Michael yeah i think You know from the starts to end. There's been a lot of downs but think about me. I'm a fighter so university always made me better at see. I want things to go. Look for me for most of the season. But you know spanish that i just wanna build off it the next season reminder. Please raise your hand. Lower your hand ocean raining gusto on. Keep your hands up. Yes joe michael. So how much do you think you will change what you do in the off season after spending a year in the nfl compared to just come in and trying to make you know your impact as a rookie to now having spent a year playing as much as you did. This is going to be a really big week. Because i know exactly well when we're gone now so i'm going to focus on areas of concern to happen season. Try to build off it for next season already. Kind of kind of bouncing that question from brandon. How do you think it'll help you to have a normal offseason like you know your rookie class didn't really have that this year. Because of covid. And you know in the post covid world you'll have more of winona laugh season. How much do you think that'll help is going to be really big for us. You know just gimme routine you know as in chemistry 'cause we kind of had to make chemistry on run this year so i think just john with the guys in the room you know just just working on your craft and working on these big this offseason. I think michael ojemudia showed some nice growth especially with how rough his season started. He started the game against the titans and then got really up against the steelers and they decided to play callahan outside after a few games. And put essang bassey in the nickel. And let my go-to media just watch but then as the injuries mounted whether it's too boy or then to to callahan. Ojemudia never came off the field. And i think really took some big stride. So it'll be fun to see what he continues to do. And the kind of player he grows into the idea of he and jerry jeudy getting to work together and the season. Some i think could be really really big in caja as well. You know we haven't talked about k. J. but you mix them in. With noah fant. There's a lot of great building blocks young pieces. High draft picks that have shown flashes and or shown consistency noah fant becomes a first broncos tight end with one hundred catches through his first two seasons after his performance on sunday. So i think that it. All kind of adds together and defensively. We know that they're going to have some building blocks with guys like bradley chubb and we assume that justin simmons it'll be back. I mentioned von miller contract situation alexander. Johnson like tim patrick and phillip lindsay expect all of them to be on second round tenders each of them about three million bucks whether they liked that dealer. Not and maybe some of them work a long term deal. But noah fant had four catches forty eight yards yesterday. Draymond jones had a big big day at times getting a derek carr who doesn't usually take a lot of sacks but he was sacked three times drew lock to and when you you look at draymond jones you've just around the football kind of the entire game so he finishes with tackles a sack and a half six and a half sacks on the year that second best on the team behind i guess technically third because he had both malinche read and obviously bradley chubb some great slides ahead so he had eight year bradley chubb second at seven and a half and then draymond jones finished third at six and a half he joined us and postgame zoom calls to be last trip inside locker before we hear a little bit from floyd little and the first question posted draymond was. What were the emotions locker room coming off. That tough loss of ocean wise is a disappointment and were questioning. You know this rebel game during our conference. Hui trump It back beat us. Oh to to kinda sucks especially in that fashion warrior plus turnover unusual. Those like that. Jerry what did you think about the play of the sixties today especially justin simmons Jump starting with the interception there does it so as to how we come together. Defence guide to soza. Because you don't get to pick out the rush. You know sometimes getting home to kinda save you so i think it was a collective effort between safeties on nasa linebackers draymond. I know it's probably hard to do right now. Coming off a loss. You played probably a lot more than even anticipated because of injuries. How could you evaluate your year personally. Personally hillary job saying you're coming in you know i was a last year at. I got a great start some career. I think this year condo that up and do a lot better and lecturer. I want to continue to grow and shogo player. Yeah to get six and a half sacks and missed what three games with a knee injury what that like honda Four yeah so took. So what is the ceiling for you. Can you get to eight nine ten sacks if you're healthy given the number you put up this year i can I think i'm gonna young player. Twenty three thousand four hundred. And i think lot of potential to enhance growing more staff and provide a lot of hope for the difference. That said how five eleven. What would you tell broncos country that gives them optimism moving forward because this obviously wasn't the season you guys expected uber games close brick for me. There are times were sick happening. Kamal sharply look until play in how we are definitely showed that we're willing men streaking and four to enable where we did the sixteen team. Nfl or extremely young. Especially some. I think guys the low for us. I mean we have. Monica guy is leading. A young players can better foundation within the next year will allow a much better year. Only german happy early birthday. Then what's what do you think the off season program is gonna be able to do you guys. You mentioned being a young team in having missed out on that this past season assuming it is how much of a difference do you think that is gonna make cutoff. The restrictions cove it so we can't really them together how we want to know a contracting Sprinting thing withdrawn ourselves. But i think this is a mess for every young player in order player that we need to home and you are. We had australia through to make them even better key to that was row in helpless eleven. Update yeah i think everybody in broncos country would love to see an eleven and five team team knocking on the door of the playoffs. You so much fun. Sunday was with that seventh. Playoff spot. In next year gonna have seventeenth game. We know that the broncos schedule is pretty well set by finishing in last place in addition that they're gonna play at jacksonville which could very well be in london. Actually play jacksonville. The next two years so one of those games could certainly be in london. I doubt both would be but one definitely has a possibility to be because we know they were going to go to london. Joyless is really pushing for that. When he does into your press conference we will ask joe It'll be zoom. But we'll make sure to ask about london there with the jags they'll host the jets and then the seventeenth game is rumored to be across conference with a team that has the identical record. That's going to be. Nfc north next year. I'm not exactly sure how that rotation is going to work. The other one's easier to track but it will rotate between an nfc d- opponent with a similar record every single year with that seventeenth game. So it's going to be the lions next year. And i'm not sure if that's home or away but the broncos when i looked at it yesterday they go next year. They go in terms of the games. That aren't already determined. They go quickly At home you've got baltimore and they're playing the afc north so they've got baltimore and the bengals at home. They go to cleveland and pittsburgh they go to dallas and new york to play the giants that means they host the eagles and the washington football team and as i mentioned they host the jazz then. Obviously you're division opponents At at the browns at the cowboys at the steelers at the giants are your road game. Plus the jags and we know about the line. So there you go. There's your broncos schedule you can find it on the broncos website. The future scheduled for twenty twenty one in two thousand twenty two are both posted in terms of opponents out the dates that'll be determined typically before the draft. Maybe this year after draft like they did last year when they set a schedule a week after and may all right. Let's hear from floyd little. I had opportunity to track him down at the hall of fame last year. We were outside this restaurant in the hallway where a couple of other views were going on. It was really cool the hall of fame to let us go. Do the logan. And louis show so. David did their show from there and talk to joe. Dilemma lures an old teammate. Of days the longtime bills all fame they played together with the browns. They talked to herm edwards. We talked to. Terrell davis among others is really cool and then they left and i stuck around and i got floyd on camera so that is posted on the facebook page. And you'll hear right here and then we're gonna hear fluids hall of fame speeches well because again just a great great guy and I really enjoyed talking to him so here. Is that conversation. Obviously it's hall of fame influenced mr bean champ but i wanted to bring it to you floyd i to think this is a really special weekend for you. As the first ambassador of broncos country i think nationally to not have to now have champ bailey and pablo and going into the hall of fame dollars several more deserving. I think they're having a vote now to see if they get. Twenty and next year for the centennial year. I think there should be at least a minimum of three guys on that list. Twenty a lot of people but I'm glad to champion clad. For mr me disappointed that mr could hold on a little longer Because he deserved to be here. He was so influential helping me get here and I really admire him. He was an athlete. A good ethnic. He was a owners coat. Players coach owner got. It don't mean owner but pets a lot. I'm sure trying to get to really considered being used to argue with him all the time and he's always getting my face talking about. It's not about me. it's not about me. I say here's about your. You created a rumor fame. You belong in it if you get jerry fiction that you should be. I don't care. I don't care. And that's where he and. I used to always end so when he finally got in. I was so pleased to be a part of it because he created. And i never realized i was the first one. Because when they had the bustan and had us called vail they said the first bronco please going over a bus little and i almost died because winning with two other guys brought note. I the first. So so i was pleased that so i really miss mr be said that he wasn't who's a hall of fame retort. He was a whole thing. And you look at broncos country. Last night came out in full force for the game whether it's going in sharply. Td may john elway. We may set a record though from ronca. This ends here for the enshrine. Well it certainly seems like it at least based rubs dealing in. I'm sure you will have more people than just the one but I see a lot of collars everywhere i go. I had a talk with some kids in the museum today and there was a lot of broccoli fans so this is great. It's great for broncos or now they're getting the recognition they deserve. It's been a long time before we got job. John john allen made country aware that we're denver was kind of team in place. So thank you. Yeah no question. You don't live in denver about your back a lot. I guess i'll ask you a question about john. Elway's day job being a hall of famers probably as part time gig full-time. He's running the football team. You got see him last night. It's easy. I know you haven't been out to practice. But what do you think of this. Current version of the broncos. That's what it's all about. And i got a chance haven't had this much time rich but i saw john on the feel. Yesterday i went down. And he and i had a nice long conversation. I see him at the photos op. Today we had a long conversation. We walk them together as all your bronco fever challenges as we walked together we got inside. He said at a different table because he got distracted. And i wouldn't sell it someplace else. But i would have had lunch the job day missing opportunity but i've known him since he was a rookie and we went on a cruise together. All that was great but he was he was just out of stanford brand new people but he's got a tremendous job to do and believe me he'll get a bed and talking about the hall of fame for let you go and i appreciate the time. I was talking with someone who goes to the gold jagged dinner every year. That's a member of the media. And he deals a lot of the hall of famer and he said that once they get the gold jacket especially for someone. That's waited a long time late to like yourself. The you're really overcome with emotion. I talked to champ. Last night was getting pulled in a lot of directions but once it's go jacket. Was it the same for you in that. An active at an accurate become a different. It's a different life for you. No longer champion hall of famer champion. So we're life really change when you do it in the hall because you know you're not the same you don't have any identity because you're a hall of fame you represent so it is different when you become a holiday would would go jacket represent yourself as jack recipient but having a little jaguars one of the greatest moments the people will ask me to come be part of to go or crutches. We're talking gonna junket so often when opportunity to win attack so proud of being a hall of famer that i enjoy where my jacket while we always enjoy senior inter lamb. You come to denver and we know it's such a special weekend broncos country so we really appreciate it thank you and if you miss this or don't remember all of it or did see it and watch again over the weekend i posted on twitter and you can kind of find it Really anywhere if you just google. It'll take your right to youtube. But the twenty ten hall of fame speech. I thought floyd at some great notes here Just about ten minutes long. So i implore you to listen to the entire thing. Here's floyd little as he was enshrined in canton in august. Twenty ten thank you. I am still standing all to my lord and savior. Jesus christ. I am truly blessed to be standing here on this day. The celebrate my journey as a person. And as i only wish my mom and dad. We're here to celebrate with. I know my mom is looking down on me today. And she's saying floyd. I'm proud of you. Turn good also miss my two brothers known as ranger and charles known as judy. Judy was the real hero he served. Two terms in vietnam was a war hero. Smart two brothers. But god continued to proceed with three sisters betty jackson persona three. Let me get. I put on a football helmet. That trump junior high school ladies. You had been my rock and my strength on this journey could not have made it without your fool being for me so have three very special talented kids. You've already met my son mark. He was presenter. Mark is not like a regular saw. He's also my lawyer. My visor and my best friend life would be real different for me. More wasn't around. I love you maria christie who have four grandkids. Aj sky plays in. Hey chrissy is a proud. Mommy and training and has created a career. Teaching other mommies to be better. Mommy's than i'm so out of her for that chrissy. I am sort of all the things you do. Because when i look at you do for our family we are close family because of you i have been truly blessed to have you as my daughter. I'll know you. I have watched you perform on broadway in all stages across this country and i have not seen anyone with more talent than you. You juilliard triple thread with abilities. That make me. How much is my god. Love gerald joyce. The mother of my two daughters joyce. You did a great job as a mother. Thank you for your support during those early and challenging years as a denver bronco. Thank you for your support to my beautiful wife to bora bora french partner. And everything husband can deborrah you stand shoulder to shoulder with me. You never wavered in your steadfast resolve always willing to go to battle on my behalf. Always ready to help me finish a fight. Thank you for always being by my side. You are and i love them. Law can never have imagined the impact on the phone call. I got from tom. Maggie's wife me. She called asking if i would consider meeting tom for his fortieth birthday. Because i was palms hero now. Tom and our meek but he became the co author of my first book tales from the banco sidelined by biggest supporter and advocate for my pro football hall of fame consideration. Now tom's my hero. Thank you for all you've done truly appreciate last but not least someone a third more good friend and supporter jim. Greg thank you. Jim gray for all. You've done that contribute to my moment being here today. I'm truly from jim for all. You've done the list of those. That had an impact on my life and career. As long. But i must give thanks to ernie davis to jim. Brown john merica. How ernie ball thompson. The my coaches spam. Casey j. louise fence wall swollen. Blue saving john ralston a special thanks to the hall of fame committee. Jeff flake wall. Jim saccomano my search whose family doctor. Nancy cantor doctoral robes and the vice president of the united states joe by all classrooms. All my team leagues from his house. High school bottle down military syracuse university denver broncos to pat bolan all entire bronco organization to all the bronco fans around the world to all. My friends and family are here. Those who cannot be here. Thank you for your loyalty in your sport all these years. I am truly truly grateful. There's no describe the joy of experiencing this final sports chapter in my life. This is obviously the highest honor. Any football player can garner. I stand here today celebrating my athletics. Life journey understand significance. Everything else pales in comparison every wishing one day have desire. I encourage you all continue dream for this moment. I've been failing my god and by those who had sang and what happens to me today but it was always not so easier clear. Our member being a strong angry young men in school. Then i use my strength in ways that became my weakness after being kicked out of school. I had reached an impasse in my life. Everything was done hopes was shot. And then i had a vision for my late father that came to me and said floyd i've chosen you to take my place to do what i could not do and to finish what i not finch. I came to myself with the help of those who so the good in me. I was re enroll bag at school with determination. And not only did i become to president of my class but i started my journey as a leader in everything i did and i never looked back because of those that encourage meals on early years i am so i want to encourage you every student every athlete every person who were him voice. Don't listen to a naysayer. I have plenty of those. Listen to those. That will judge you for your russia rough edges. Don't focus on your weakness so you won't become a victim final goods and you. That says yes. I saw be a good student. Yes i can be a good son and daughter. Yes i can be a positive role model yes. I can't because of better than the worst and most choice is yours. Be the best that you can be truly believe that none of us is anything to the least is something. The james ball said naked. I came into this world and choudhary. We're bound everything. We accomplish this lifetime behind passionate all so leave legs that you and your family can be proud. I've given you the best guy. I'm a better person for thank you for being here with me and for me. I thank god for his favorite day. God bless thank you so awesome awesome stuff from just an awesome human being a hall of football player hall of fame person broncos country. I think all of football mourns his still mourning the loss of floyd little who lost at age. Seventy eight after that battle with a rare form of cell cancer guinea been hospice since before thanksgiving but even though knew inevitable. It's never easy to deal with. And so the star. Twenty one and twenty twenty. One kind of a bummer. Between the broncos lawson floyd little passing but hopefully brighter days are ahead not just for the country and getting out of our covid funk but for the broncos as well. We'll be back all week. We've got broncos daily podcast slowdown here as we get into the off-season but The broncos locker room will be open. We'll be doing zoom calls with A number of the players. They clean out their lockers. I believe either tomorrow. Wednesday will hear from vic fangio john. Elway and joel. So we'll recap all that for you and bring you a bunch of it. I appreciate you. Listen listen to me than rocking with me or thanksgiving to chug. Water chilly for their help. All year jaguars chilly dot com. Promo chug water. I know was going through football season. We'll save twenty five percent off juggler. Chile's a gourmet spice of western life so again chug water chilly. Dot com and draftkings will be back rocking with me here Soon as well. So thanks again. Bomber about the broncos lost. They are picking night. So that's i guess one silver lining and The young is giving you something to build on. 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March 30  Hour 2  More NFL Power Rankings | Derek Wolfe No Longer Bronco

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March 30 Hour 2 More NFL Power Rankings | Derek Wolfe No Longer Bronco

"Five minutes after the second final hour today on this. Monday our power to play sports. Poll question is up at the whole show dot com eliminate. Which think do you think he? Nhl In the NBA should just plan on skipping the remainder of the season. And yes I am lumping all of that in the playoffs in the because tell you what the the playoffs are GonNa be. Ah That's going to be a lot of planning. I mean a lot of planning to figure this out going into a short short notice changing up the dates figured everything you know with with what what what you're working with in terms of how these players are the coaches and everything. What what is the practice schedule? Look like the Games. I all four continuing. I'm all for it. But the further we go out do you. Is there a part of you that just says hey shut it down? Because it's it's going to not feel right. It's not going to have the same vibe to it and it's way different or or you know. Are you cool with just starting up the playoffs? I would like to see personally a week or two of regular season because all we hear about in the In the in the in the off season and the first three weeks of the NBA is all you. GotTa you gotTa get the kinks worked out. You know they're still. There's still trying to figure it all out. I mean I remember the Miami Heat joined forces. It was Lebron and Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. It was supposed to be the match made in heaven or their first month. They weren't that they weren't figuring out there playing like five hundred basketball and everybody said just give it some time. Let Them Gel. And they'll look what happened they. They didn't win it that year but they did go when they wanted the two years so I do think that saying oh well. They're going to have practice time. That'll be no well. Then you're you're you're discounting everything. We're hearing a lot of that lately. You know this all we could push it we. We don't need. We don't need extra games in the playoffs. So now we're like actually calling out discounting the fact that we maybe. We don't need eighty two games because every time you argue it yes. The owners are going to fight for the money but most people know eighty two games it does take one hundred sixty two games it does take to figure it out so I e which is it all we can do it without all those games we can or no. We need all those games because now push comes to shove and you might not have an option. A lot of you will just shrug. Your shoulders are now. They don't need they'll have practice. They'll have practice. They'll be able to work right into the regular season and I I don't know if it's that easy first advantage text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Yeah Colefax I was getting. I was getting some grief about the mellow thing. Some people hurt and listen. I didn't say mellow was the greatest nugget of all time. I think he's top three now. I will put a note there. That says I'm thirty three years old. It's funny though because like you get an. I'm not like trying to knock my dad's Alex English Guy. But my dad also will sit there and go you know the mellow years. Were pretty good too. So we're talking about it over the weekend. The law and my brother was a huge Alex. English Fan David Thompson Fan. Daynuss loved all the historic nuggets. But there is. There's this group of there's the younger group that's like. Oh it's all mellow then. Those other guys that was in the seventies seventies whenever but then there's the older group that's lagaras trump carbonneau ad but he didn't play defense some reason he's an old pirate. I don't know why but there are back in May Day. I saw David Thompson and Carmelo Alex English. I can't even remember the name anymore. They were so mellow guy. Here's a him and his basketball making all these shots that he makes. Oh that's terrible. Well he was a top score in the NBA. Here there's another guy Posted well a lot of us. Were around a lot more than a decade to watch the nuggets. I mean watch a little bit more than a decade cool whatever Carmelo. Anthony was drafted in two thousand and three. So we're talking almost twenty years ago Colfax. Wb If you do the math that's about two decades there so if you're just if you're just talking about Carmelo Anthony you're GONNA say well. He's been around for almost two decades so in. That's the that's beyond. I was a nineties nuggets fan even though they were terrible but I watched a lot of different kinds. The Deacon May Matombo years. Yeah I was pretty young. Pretty Young didn't quite understand everything that went into basketball. I just know that we liked it and it was fun. It was cool. My Dad knew way more about it than I did. I didn't know and then as I started to get into the ten eleven twelve thirteen. Yeah I'm starting to really get into it starting to learn more about these teams starting to pretend to do radio talk shows while driving the tractor on my family farm. That's how I got into radio practicing. They're talking to myself and all my family thought I was not. They may not be wrong for San text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Yeah mellows definitely top three. No question top five. If you want to say David Thomson Analysis. Alex English our number one thing. The debate starts there. The debate doesn't start there. I say Nicole. Yokich first off now is again. The nuggets don't have any championships. They don't have any Western Conference. Titles so you're working with to listen even if you wanted to erase the defense and the ARRA. The nuggets have been to to Western Conference finals. One in the Alex English David Thompson era. One in the mellow era. And you'RE NOT GONNA say that. Melo is top five well Brady. That's when Chauncey billups got there chauncey billips rounded out that team no question but Chauncey billips was also a nugget before that one stint before he went to Detroit and they were terrible. They were one of the worst teams in the League. So yeah we can say that. Chelsea went to Detroit and won a championship came to Denver. And I love Chauncey billips. He he kind of helped lead. Carmelo and listen Carmelo. Anthony had his issue. There's no doubt about it. He had his issues. I furious George. George Karl's book it's it's kind of a scattered read but it's there's some really good stuff that some good nuggets that you can get out of it right. Colfax okay but he did talk about. He did talk about the fact. That mellow was was a difficult player to coach. I'm not saying any of those. Things are untrue but there is an older demographic. Perhaps that's kind of like this is the new age of basketball and I don't like it so therefore he's not even in the top five. Know the facts are that Carmelo. Anthony was one of the greatest nuggets of all time. And if you don't think so then you are putting on your one thousand nine hundred ninety eight glasses and saying that the bat that basketball was great back then. It sucks now. That's not the case. There are players like James Harden that really ruin the perspective from some of these some of these NBA fans that loved the game back in the nineties. But I'm telling you man. Lebron James would have survived in. The seventies would have survived in the eighties and the nineties. Kobe Bryant would have survived in the seventies eighties and nineties. Michael Jordan would have would have survived. Now in his prime he'd be the there are players that we can again. We'll never know this until Colfax finally gets around to inventing that time machine but there are certain players that we can all look at it and say yes onto Toco honest onto the Combo. You mean to tell me that he wouldn't be a successful basketball player in the eighties and nineties. No you absolutely would. There are certain players that you look at and say they would have been very good anytime same. Same can be said football. There are guys that aren't that certainly. You can look at James Harden and say they call so many fouls now but but then to be fair to him did he not just more his game knowing he was going to get thousands. Doesn't that make him a pretty crafty basketball player? At that point there are certain players that would have just survived in either era this this day and age. I think players are more athletic back. Then yeah sure. You're probably seeing more guys. That are a little bit tougher. Guys that are are hitting a little. I remember Scott. Hastings said this once and it was cracked me up. It was watching a game and he mentioned well back in the day. If if a guy you know keeps pulling up and shoot threes like that and we're like what James Harden is doing to try to get you to Salom you just pop him and knock them down and I remember Marlow Goes. That would have been a foul. He's like yeah but sometimes they call it. I'm like wait a second. What are you saying? Wait a second. So you're telling me that the basket basketball in the seventies and eighties was better but they didn't call as many fouls so you could like knock down and they didn't call it. Well that's against the rules so did the NBA players get worse. The officials just get better so I always. Those arguments are always interesting because trust me. I'm right there with you. I get irritated when people say this guy's my favorite player when you never watched it just like him. I. I'm there with you but I'm not GonNa sit here and pretend that I can give you a realistic. Okay Alex English yes. I appreciate our history. But based on what I've seen based on what I know of Franchise Development Mellow saved an organization an organization. He saved it. Alex English joined a team that had been to the playoffs the year before and they struggled for the next two seasons and he had great numbers but that is a realistic thing to think about. And when you're talking about the greatest of all time you also have to look at well. What was the what was the team like when they got there before they got there and after they got there? I if you don't put them in your top five. Who is came Matombo? He played for the nuggets for four or five seasons then didn't win a championship. Didn't go to the west of his clay yes. He was one of the greatest defensive players for the nuggets. He was huge. He was great but he's not a top five. Dan Again didn't see him. Hell of a center probably top five right close but you have one right now. That's cracking that. That's Nicole Yokich. I do think he's the better I think he's better overall defensively. Maybe not quite there as much but he is big. You can body up a little bit better being a big guy but he has the skill set that not a lot of point guards half his passing ability and his scoring ability. Those two things together make him a very rare talent and I think one of texters pointed out last week that he's going to be around the League for quite some time because he doesn't jump much so maybe there's going to be as much wear and tear when it's all said and done we won't have to have the mellow Alex English debate anymore. Because it's going to be Nicole Yokich when we come back I want to get into the NFL power rankings. We already talked about the chiefs being number one. Where are the Denver Broncos and a tough weekend as the broncos said farewell to a staple football player and really a a great leader for the team and I was sad to see them go sixty minutes after the hour? We'll take a quick break. It's the whole show powered by. Pdc Energy your message out to our community with no cone now nine am to ten am weekdays on Kfi. This is mild heart sports editor at the Fort Collins Colorado in and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten K. FDA quarterback of the show. Sorry I always get heated with the mellow thing. People really hate the way he left. They really hate the way he left. And it's actually the opposite of the way Lebron left. I mean it was it was a solid. It was mellow speaking to the nuggets. Saying I'm going to be gone. You know at the end of this. I'm not gonNA stay as the Denver Nuggets so you guys I. The Knicks have a chance to go to the playoffs. Now and I want to join that campaign I would love to sew trade me get some assets now or we just we drift on through the season and go from there and see what happens. I mean come on. It's he hooked. He helped the ne now. It wasn't the best thing I mean. Obviously you want to say mellow should've just stayed in Denver. But who are we to decide that its contract was coming up? We see it happen all the time now. Sure it's it's it means a lot when you have a guy like todd. Helton that stays with your with your team through thick and thin but it's not always rewarded like Derek Wolfe from. We'll talk about that at the bottom of the hour Derek Wolfe. I thought was a it was a great part of what the Broncos Ravi Superbowl fifty one of the most talented linemen in the NFL. No he did have a pretty good season last year. So we'll talk about that more and kind of the bummer that is being done with Derek Wolfe but the Venom Toward Carmelo. Anthony's is kind of crazy doing to think eating country club there in a weird situation obviously right now with the social distancing and everything but if you go to their website or their facebook pages just search eaten country club. They're doing a lot of different tips on golf things that you can think about. Maybe things like putting and stuff you can do from your own home and maybe you're going out to a wide open park where you're not around a lot of people figuring out your golf swing. Whatever in country clubs putting out some tips there so check out their website eaten dot net thing about becoming a member. Because I tell you what when when we get out of this thing golf courses gonna be lighting it up and eat and country club will be one of the one of those golf courses leading the brigade in northern Colorado first advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six Kansas City chiefs according to ESPN DOT com number one team in the NFL. Hard to disagree just want Super Bowl and kept most of their necessary pieces in place so very difficult to disagree number two the Baltimore Ravens in makes sense yet again. Making some moves a OH. They placed the franchise tag on. Matthew Judah on traded for defensive. End Callejas Campbell. Which is a big move. They resigned Jimmy Smith. Which was the big question at corner there now. What are they doing the draft? How do they keep supporting Lamar Jackson? Trying to completely alter an offense for past two years that that project continues a probably GonNa add an a wide receiver something but yeah the Ravens are right there number three the San Francisco Forty niners. I I have a hard time with that one. I might go with the New Orleans Saints. They did add Emmanuel Sanders. Which maybe he's not in his prime. He did light up the saints last year but he had a good because he's you know he was really really good. But he didn't have a solid consistent numbers last year. But I think you had a guy with drably breeze and obviously Michael Thomas. Getting most of that attention. It's it's GonNa be one of those situations where you're adding more weapons to drew brees. They're sitting at number four. Green Bay's at five Seattle sitting at six today via wants at least twenty million dollars. That's a little. That's a little steep there but I am Seattle's as long as Russell. Wilson's they're they're going to be in the top ten Tennessee sitting at seven again. These are the way too early rankings before the actual draft that all just a mirage with Tennessee. I mean they. They resigned Ryan Tannehill to a lot to a big chunk. And I thought man that was kind of your weakest link. But they're gonNA loaded up again and Derrick Henry. We'll see what he he's. They put the tag on Henry. They did sign vic Beasley junior but they lost one of their injury. Okay so that's obviously better for the broncos in that situation but I I don't know Titans I. I didn't believe in them throughout the entire playoffs last year. And here I go again. I'm still not believing them and look how far they get the Viking sitting at eight bills nine Tampa Bay with the addition of Tom Brady top. Ted cracked the top ten code and see. That's that's a hell of a story. I'm GonNa tell you more about Tom. Brady and how this whole thing worked out. He almost pitched to them. Kind of turn it around Dallas Cowboys Sitting at Eleven Eagles at twelve. The Patriots are at thirteen without Tommy. Beat it's interesting. Here's what's written about the Patriots. Everything that has unfolded with the Patriots. Consistent with Allie of generally operated under coach Bill Belichick. This is going to be so much fun next year that storyline alone belichick or Brady. Now we get to see you take seven to nine bucks team that we could all agree if James Winston is better. This team is a playoff team. So now we're going to put to the test. If Tom Brady's there. This team should be a playoff team the Patriots. We've said it forever. Is Bill Check with the greater binders? Tom Brady will belichick. Finally gets to prove it. But they're sitting at Thirteen. The Colts at fourteen with Fella rivers. And it's GONNA be weird. I thought maybe they'd stay the course. Which a copy percent but now they wanna go with Philip rivers. Pittsburgh steelers sitting fifteen big Ben hoping to come back the Texans at sixteen the ram sitting at seventeen with a goofy looking logo the Falcons at eighteen the bears at nineteen. Nick foles there. We might have a quarterback controversy. There the Las Vegas Raiders. Man Is GonNa be a lot of things to catch up on sitting at twenty the cardinals at twenty one. The browns at twenty two and finally at twenty three. Your Denver broncos pretty rough there what is said by Jeff Wald broncos beat writer on ESPN DOT COM. The broncos may traits to bolster their defense acquired defensive tackle Jerome Casey and cornerback. Aj boy big moves and use the franchise tag on Safety Justin Simmons. They chose to use the bulk of their free agency. In the offense signing Graham. Glasgow running back. Melvin Gordon and tied Nick Van et and backup quarterback Jeff Driscoll leaves them searching for additional team speed in the draft and that should have them taking a long look at the cornerback option as well as wide receivers at number fifteen pick Jeff. I agree with you. One hundred percents either going to be a wide receiver. Or it's going to be a cornerback if rugs isn't there it's a cornerback. Twenty three bottom half of the league. I don't agree. I think I think they're going to be better than Cleveland. Don't know if they'll be better than Arizona. I very curious to see how that De'andre Hopkins Situation Works out with the cardinals. They're better than the raiders. They're going to be better than the raiders. They're going to be better. The bears defense is good. I have I still have questions again about trubisky and Nick foles and that'll that clearly they don't believe in. Trubisky FOLES INSURANCE PLAN. Voles is probably going to be fifty fifty shot man. He might take over that starting role. Are THEY BETTER THAN ATLANTA? Maybe could be close better than the rams I would say. They're better than the Rams Texans. No okay now better than Pittsburgh but okay to be fair. This team should be at least sitting around the teens. The mid teens but twenty three. I'm a I'm a little shocked by that. What do you think it's text the first advantage text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Hey you got the Kansas City chiefs braven San Francisco New Orleans and then the packers and your top five. The buccaneers cracked the top ten. I guess it will depend. So what is it GonNa take in? The draft can the broncos improve that ranking from twenty three to fifteen sixteen with a good draft as one player. Make the difference. The broncos big question and again nationally when you look at a team like Denver. You say drew lock. What is your quarterback going to be able to do and you can look at everything else. But if your quarterback is sitting in the average to below average still even based on his first five years or his first five games. You're going to rate this team differently. So get your thoughts on that one. The broncos sitting at twenty three thirty minutes after the hour Colefax. Let's get the latest on a local sports flash Friday on MORNINGS WITH GAIL as rediscover the joys of home with that state. Stay at home order one hundred things to do to say happy productive and saying join. Us Sixty nine looking at A. They didn't have a first victim. The second round he was the number one choice and you can work it down. His first sack ever then walk was border in prime time. In your derrick he starts his drive with a twenty yard line under pressure who get sacked out of ninety five Derek Wolfe. Brady hit the deck a ton of times against buffalo last week tall side and wore number ninety five just stays alive J. McCarron for the set move throughout the Dow Derek Wolfe Third and eleven now trying to convert three Sir Derek Wolfe a Bronco. No more spent eight seasons with the Denver broncos a part of a big part of Super Bowl fifty had a career high in two thousand nineteen with seven sacks. He was kind of a bright spot for Denver broncos decided to well they they ended up getting Shelby Harris and I thought that was a good move. They stuck with shelby he. He didn't get paid nearly what he thought he did. He was going to and they found a deal there but they they basically picked one or the other. We did a poll question a while ago. Who should the broncos other than Justin Simmons Chris Harris Junior Shelby Harris Derek Wolfe? Who should they make? Make sure they keep on this roster and I guess it looks like it was shelby Harris. I don't know if it was a make. Sure but sad. Man I mean Derek's going to get a one year six million dollars so good good deal for Derek Wolfe who really was never an upper echelon defensive lineman it was just a nice nice player for the Broncos and more importantly a good leader for this team so I would have liked to see it work out. But the broncos getting to that point where I just didn't quite make an make sense I guess Terrell Casey and Shelby Harris I I like it. It was going to come down between those two guys and if I had to pick I like Shelby Harris. Somebody made the interesting point. I don't know who it was might have been somebody here at the station. That shelby was great. Knocking down passes but was that because he couldn't get to the quarterback effectively enough so he would stop short and jump in the air and again. That's a tough tough one. If you truly watch the film you can see those things But that's a talent to be able to do that. Was Shelby Harris Constantly. Getting himself in the best position to get after the quarterback or is he big man throws up his arms. I mean yeah I'll take it. I like that but that was a decent point Aunt Joan's they believe in too. That was another thing. Was he a third round pick and this is a guy that we haven't seen take that next step yet you know. We've just seen him in a position where he was a third picks it pick seventy one. I'm trying to figure out the pick. Seventy one in two thousand and nineteen last year. They want to see more from him in this next upcoming season so I do think that they're looking saying all right. We can get Shelby Harris. For what the two point five so it was. It was a bigger deal for an easier deal for the broncos to do that. Plus it gives Draymond Jones another year of being behind a talented defensive lineman businesswise. It was the right move. It made the most sense. You you get almost. Are they the same player. They have different attributes but is one better than the other between Harrison Wolf. Probably not probably pretty damn close. So the broncos get Harris. He doesn't go on. He couldn't find another another team which was a kind of a shocker to me. It's been a strange free agency. Even with everything going on But they do again Jerry Jones. A key factor. Here they got shelby hairs for the one year. Deal cheap and now they have an opportunity to bring up. You know a young guy and dream on Jones who might be the future at that position? WanNa see a big leap for sure from him but Denver felt comfortable enough to move on from wolf and personally I just like the guy I mean like style. I like his leadership. I liked his post game and he was a pretty solid player. But if you have the same guy virtually and you can get them for much cheaper than you're GonNa do that. I mean that's that's just the way it is and so I think. Ultimately the Broncos made the right decision I tweeted it out. I said it would have liked to see Denver. Keep him somehow or try at least find a way but it it does make sense overall first advantage text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six your thoughts on on Derek Wolfe a definitely I mean. Now it's now it's what von Miller Todd Davis and Brandon McManus Leftover from the Super Bowl fifty era. That is how it goes tau goes. You mean the Bronco. We saw quickly with the broncos early and then a few guys were hanging on. But it's just a it's a tough scene for sure but now is the right move. It was the right business decision. But you talk about loyalty and all that with with teams and such and Yeah didn't work you're talking to difference between three and a half million dollars so you're saving money there you're saving money and you're getting a guy that you believe. Shelby hairs can be kind of a stopgap for Draymond Jones. So it Kinda works out. First event is text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six the Denver Post put out an article about the NFL if it does start next if we actually do get into an NFL season which some crazy predictions out there that are like. We're not going to have that the networks don't want to hear it. They don't WanNa talk about that either because football above everything else is good for business. It's good for your local economy. I remember I did a story. In Denver years ago about you can always tell when the broncos are playing because at certain time halftime all of the toilets are flushing in the in the city of Denver so it impacts the economy the. Nfl is a huge driver for local. So nobody wants to talk about baseball. Scrape basketballs great. Nhl's great but the NFL drives money like nobody else. But Sean Keillor in the Denver Post put out a headline corona virus fall forecast awful football more injuries and fewer games thinking. We have less games when we're about ready to add on a new game seventeenth game but will we get there. Lot of people. Don't quite believe that we're going to even get to a real regular season like we're used to curb street was on a Friday on a Friday program and basically said this isn't going to happen the NFL seasons not going to happen with the broncos. See Ucs you all know. None of it's going to happen and obviously that's difficult for a local scene where a local radio station that covers a lot preps college pro. We get into all of it here so that is a tough spot. It's a tough scene for sure. I can't think we're going to get that far out and not have something happening. I mean that's worth talking training camps. You Need Training Camp July. That's that's usually late July right. So it's march thirtieth. I don't know that I like all that. Gloom and Doom Prediction. I mean I know that there are people with a higher pay grade that have to really analyze things and that they're the ones figuring out about America in general in the world in general but when you get talking heads like me come on and say Yeah I don't. I don't think we're going to have football. I can say I can get closer to that date and be like yeah it. Mathematically it's not it doesn't make sense because you only got two weeks left before whatever unless you're willing to change everything that you do and I'm not sure a lot of these schedules will will change that much But if they do go to shorten season and this is my argument with the NBA. Could we see really bad football because if you shorten training camp you don't even have a training camp and preseason? Will you see you know the football? It's not even worth putting out there again and again and again this is my argument with the NBA. Nhl A couple of weeks of practice. A week or two of practice does not equal game. So if you're not if you're not having a regular season game in or at least ten to fifteen more for the playoffs you're gonna get rusty playoffs and I feel again like we're going against everything that we've built up seventy plus years with all these teams as you need to build the season you want to be playing football and November. You want to be playing your best basketball and March and be ready and now it's all about fine tuning but now this happens and suddenly we're like they're fine. They'll be in practice. I think you're going to be in store for some some strange basketball games from sloppy games. Summer you would much rather than hey listen. If it's a distraction that can help people out. I'm all for it. I just think that whatever when you get to that point with the season you have to figure out a way to have enough regular season games to be quote unquote warm ups before the playoffs. And it's not the best scenario but we're GONNA make do. I don't think you just jump in and start with the NFL please. I'm not even there yet. None of us should be there yet. Let's try to take this day by day and see where we are. And if we after if we're getting another restriction for April thirtieth okay. Let's get to that point and see where we are you know. We're we're hearing here in the state of Colorado that by April seventh to eleventh. We're going to start to get an idea. If the whole social distancing thing was working or if people should just go back because it's going to hit you no matter what so we should just go back to business and I'm not giving you any kind of political analysis there at all. Those are the facts presented. They're going to sit in hell. Man The New York The The New York mayor saying like not sure. If this was the best idea in the world right was it the mayor or the Governor. One of those one of those guys. I'm sorry yeah. It's fine basically saying hey we got into a position where we're not so sure this is. This was going to help either way and again. I don't know I have no idea. I'm GONNA do whatever the people that make way more money than US advise and I'm going to try my best. We've done that here at the radio station. We have worked with a skeleton crew for the last two weeks. Seems to be okay. We're figuring it out but by the time we get to these timelines then we can start analyzing how you know the these leagues are going to look. And that's where it's going to be interesting all right first advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. We'll take a quick break auto Taylor. They've been fixing up my vehicle for a very very long time and I appreciate all the work that they continue to do for all of us in northern Colorado keeping our vehicles running smoothly as possible. This is the whole show powered by the energy sports on KFI K. Enjoy some instant classics with KF K classics every Thursday and Friday night on thirteen ten. 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Tell them we sent you here from the whole show powered by PD Energy Derek. Wolfe a bummer. I get it. This was a good business decision. Really was if you if you if Shelby Harris couldn't worked out than I say. Yes give the money to Derek Wolfe. But he went and got six from Baltimore. The broncos weren't there and ended up getting two point five for shelby. Could they have got to three to four for Wolf? Maybe but you know what at the end of the day? It's it's probably better for Derek Wolfe. You have to look at his position to. He's going to be on a hell of an of defensive line. Now I mean they're they're going to be stacked Michael Brokers didn't go through so they looked at Derek Wolfe He's going to go back. He's rockers staying with the rams so this worked out for the Ravens and Clay Campbell. Who they got from Jacksonville and that could be a pretty hefty duo there so Baltimore he got elected like I said I don't know that Wolf. I don't know the wolf's going to be up there in one of the Broncos of all time not even close there's a guy you're not gonna say top five Colefax but he's certainly a fan favourite and was a good leader for this team. In fact when the broncos would lose I always kind of looked into his leadership his voice of reason after the Games because he didn't get a lot of coachspeak you got you got some raw emotion from a guy like Derek Wolfe guy. That was just he was upset. He was pissed when he would tell you what's going on. He put blame himself playing on. Everybody think you're gonNA miss that leadership. He in Von Miller were tight. So we'll see how that impacts him going forward. But you know looking at this depth chart for the Broncos you gotta be happy with that line right now I mean I. I think it looks pretty good. Giral Casey Mike per cell in the Middle Shelby Harris now and then dream on Jones as a backup to harass. You got demarcus Walker there as well. I don't know how the Broncos are ranked twenty three. I guess based on the season that was but I have this based on a sixteen game season which is going to be the next season then. Seventeen Games I think. The BRONCOS can win. I really do if they do the right thing in the draft. This team can be close to ten. They were three away from last year to the moves. They made this offseason season. Help them get get three games. Better I think the answer is yes right now. Sitting at eight ten nine. Get the draft right and you gotta get an impact player. An impact player. Not Somebody that's going to be learning on the job and you will be learning on the job that somebody's going to be a lot of a lot of hand holding somebody can go out and make plays early on our. That's going to do it for us. We'll be back at it for a top text. Tuesday juice got his first one last week. Who's it going to be which is GONNA take it? That'll do it for us. Good Northern Colorado old.

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The Kist & Solak Show #83: Things Are Happening!

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The Kist & Solak Show #83: Things Are Happening!

"Copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed in so lack show presented pie SP nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and so lack show this episode. Eighty three brought to you by the five folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. You could follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K. I S T. Also, follow my work for bleeding greenish dot com as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game. Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. You can find his drought work at draft network dot com. Check out his work on bleeding, greenish dot com. He is Benjamin. So lack follow him on Twitter at Benjamin. Select that's S O L A K, Ben how you doing brother. I didn't hear what number you said. It was when I was eighty three. Oh, very interesting. We could go with Greg Lewis. We could go with Josh Perkins. Wow. I lay screw you saying Josh Perkins. When I was working through film for the Nelson galore piece I was watching Tampa Bay and that was the game. Like Josh Perkins was getting targets over Dallas Qatar. I remember how furious I was and face me off all over again. But I'm disappointed in you because eight three. Greg Lewis is the incorrect answer Vince Papa baby. Oh, even know that one very nice. Heck? Yeah. Brother, finally nailed when I think you will get yelled about. Yeah. Hopefully, that's why I want that you fight said Greg Lewis over vents, I feel like outing on ripta shreds, though. Greg missiles, good do not a great wide receiver coach. But it did. So today, we're going to be doing the Twitter mailbag we reached out to you at BGN underscore radio for some questions as we enter this regency period. But before we get to the Twitter mailbag that's gonna be the second half of the show. Ben there are a lot of things happening in the NFL world right now as we get to free agency. It's definitely not a dead period. This show just may end up dating itself. Very soon. Probably as soon as we put it out, but we'll do our best. And we'll note that this is being recorded at noon on Fridays. So we can only deal with once in front of us right now, I've got Adam schefters time lineup of Mike computer permanently. But here's what has happened recently that we can speak of buckle in the Redskins and. Broncos make a deal Redskins send a six rounder in return for a seventh rounder and quarterback case keenum, so he can go compete with Colt McCoy Yippee, I don't think this precludes them from selected quarterback in this draft. But this really ain't the class. If you're looking for an immediate starter in the middle of the first round, the bills were rumored to be closing in on a deal with the Steelers and Tonio Brown that fell apart after AB tweeted fake news and then reportedly nixed the deal aby draft Twitter, Josh Allen and bills mafia is predictably dealing with it in a rational manner that too many references for me see now you made me lose track. I was I was on a roll, I'm hit them. That's what that's what the five guest is the Jaguars just released running back Carlos Hyde after trying to trade him with no luck. That was expected at least for me. It also looks like they're releasing defensive tackle me Jackson, which is interesting, but also expected this Steelers looking to trade right tackle, Marcus Gilbert in their least interesting news of its. Twenty four hour cycle Cowboys defensive lineman. David Irving, have you seen this got on Instagram smoking a blunt to say that he was quitting football. That's kind of like seeing like Florida man in the news headline just with an NFL. Twist. The giants in my opinion. Make a great move which is shocking to hear myself say they offload the underperforming, and costly edged defender Olivier Vernon in a trade with the Browns where they acquire a very good starting guard in Kevin Zeitler from the Browns who they will pair with will Hernandez at that position. Ben that move makes a ton of sense for me the giants needed more reinforcements on the line. They got a top guard with three years left on his contract. Look, they make the tough and right decision to bite the bullet on the Vernon contract. How do you feel about all these offseason moving and shakings going on right now? Number one. I I don't know anything about David Irving and Randy, Gregory, and whatever it does strike me that I just don't like this. Just confirmation bias. I don't know. I just it doesn't seem Jason Gary can handle locker room. Does Jason Garrett has you know, he's got like two two players who when he like not when he got the job see them than for while. But like four multiple years three four plus years have had serious like off-field concerns in like, I don't wanna say character concerns. You can throw Greg hardy that mix too. He definitely had a right? Yeah. They take on a lot of risky guys. Right. Like things that are like going to leave for them to be suspended. You know, what I mean like a disciplinary whatever you wanna call it like just like recreational whenever he just doesn't seem to be able to handle that which I think is worthy of note, you got Felix Jones stealing under the end of the day. David Irving, fantastic talent who never panned out ran agree of fantastic, natural tone, panned out. It's a shame to see that for the players Carlos Hyde down for if he's cheap which is gonna be because nobody wanted to trade for him. And he's been like ninety five teams. The best two years is the Josh Johnson running backs Zeitler Vernon I made this is how you do it. Cleveland? You you draft Corbett also corporate Nevada guard tackle kind of player at thirty five. You bring him in you, see if you can win a job he isn't able to win left. Happy isn't able to win left guard. That's okay off of Lyman it usually takes multiple years. And I've got Kevin Zeiler. Like you said one of the best guards in the league. But Corbett was drafted to be his replacement. You probably would have cut Zeiler after this season because he's got any bait. Like this basically his last year were dead cat. He's got to essentially option years a tad ten million twelve million with no dead cap on the cut. So you probably would've caught him for Corbett. Anyway, you know, you're gonna get hopefully not equal production, but passable production for about a tenth of a cost of Corbett on. So now you add Vernon you also move up from the fifth round fourth round. I just liberty Vernon getting the snaps as if he's gonna be the solution. Like, he's he's gonna be like the guy they needed opposite of Garrett like Zeitler Vernon's, basically two years of auctions. Fifteen point five million fifteen point five million both next two years. Both know dead cap off the cut so you can cut him at anytime. I think he's gonna get the primary snaps opposite Garrett. I don't think but he's better than Emmanuel Oba. There's no doubt he's better than Avery is right now. I don't think he's better to the point where like fifteen point five million is worth the esscalation over odd was rookie contract convert Avery's forgive contract. I think we all agree on the value that Vernon brings isn't what his. Yeah. On trucks states. But the thing is like because you have garett Ogden Avery all on rookie deals all rushing the passer, you Nadda fifteen point five million guy. And it's okay. Because right now, you're super cheap at the edge position. And you've got a rookie contract window where you're not paying a bunch for a quarterback. And you can kind of make those moves to get a contributor even if they're overpriced right now. Right. So like exactly the point where like, maybe Vernon. And it's tricky because we say Vernet like underproduced Vernon was just in a in. Apparently, I just learned recently. This is. A hot take on by learn recently. I saw what PF thinks about burnin Vernon's always been in my opinion about a run defending these bit of pass rusher. Now, right. They have him as the third best rusher in one on one situations in which really surprises me not being said, I when I watched a passenger don't really, I guess I do contextualize his Russia's like one on one versus double teams at how offer edges getting delegating because I mean, he's not getting chips. Like, I I don't really know them. He's I don't think Vernon is a high impact pass rusher. But I think Myles Garrett is diverted as a solid pass rusher not worth fifteen point five million. But you have the money to pay him. Let Garib your high impact guy lead Vernon win the one on ones that against 'cause he's not Garrett, and apparently he'll be really good at those. So it makes sense for what the Browns staffer. So I think it makes sense all around. It's a good idea. All around the Browns plant in Iceland with the giants desperately need the help on the office of line there. Clearly investing ton of money into it. Which makes sense for the way that team is currently constructed. Both teams got better. Both teams have good flexibility. Win-win Ben you remember when we were prepping for the giants. Will be watched. What was Patrick Oma seventy seventy. Oh, heck, yeah. Brother hall. Yeah. Flare we knew that was going to be a slaughtering with him and Fletcher Cox, they desperately needed to do this to intern. Sure that they can eliminate all the excuses for ally. Manning, especially if they draft at a top tackle, they're inside the top ten then this definitely gets rid of a lot of those excuses. They've actually done a decent the directing of will Hernandez Nate soldiers overpaid. But he's solid. I mean, they had to do something. That's just what the market is. But I think they've done a really good job over the past two years. We'll see what they continue to do to try and fix that dumpster fire of offense of line and eliminate those excuses, and at least themselves up for some success in the running game, the Sony miscommunication so many times offense of line just felt out of sync for the giant. So I think this fixes some of that for them bringing in a really good veteran. Do we wanna talk case keenum, if you wanna talk case keenum? I Don I don't remember if you set him in the rundown or not, I'm not sure if you introduced him as a topic, did you? Yeah. I did case keenum numbers Colt McCoy is the. Heavyweight duel of the century. What do you think this says about the possibility of AirAsia cardinals? Apparently, not listening to trade offers for Rosen yet also the rumors that they wanna take Murray at one do you think that this means that Rosen is not in the market to be traded right now, I'll tell you everything I've heard heard ninety five thousand cards. I'll tell you what I glean from various things I've heard Arizona even before cliff like we're still talking Steve Wilks did not like Nick Bosa enough to not want to entertain offers for one. So if they never higher cliff if Cuyler stays with the Oakland Athletics, Arizona would still be open for business for one. They're not in love enough with boasted that they wouldn't consider moving out of the position introduced Cuyler introduced cliff, and it becomes a lot easier to get calls for one because you can stir up smoke about Cuyler about Rosen about cliff opinion quarterback at one and if none of this. Comes to fruition will you still distract Bosa? They like from what I understand they still like Bosa. It's just they're not like, you know, locked in him at one. Okay. So will they wanna get more value out of it? You're at the number one pick overall if you're not going to take a quarterback. I mean. Yeah, you take the word chest or take a really good address. Or either way you win you drum that value and see and give yourself some optionality and some different ways, you can go, right? I think the general law that we all acknowledge to be true that we're forgetting in this, particular instance, because of cliff Kingsbury Kyla Murray like that particular connection the general law is if you're drafting one overall unless you need a quarterback, and like the quarterback that you would take out one you generate trade talk every time all the time. It Anita quarterback. And you kind of like the quarterback at one. But you're not sure you wanna take him you generate. If you don't need a quarterback in there is quarterback to when you generate trade interest. If you don't need a quarterback in there is no quarterback generated like if you want your defensive coordinator to. Know some more about the quarterback that you might be playing against and you're not gonna draft in the top ten with the quarterback. They do it for a lot of different reasons. And it's going to generate you know, that that pushed that able. If you're picking at one really the pool of people you could potentially pick as like three maybe four like talking about blue chip prospects. You have fifty visits combine, you sixty visits or whatever it is. Of course, you're gonna meet with literally everybody could be you know, it's only gonna be three or four everybody else. Descru- rally may me with mill around guys disputing that. But it's the point like like unless you are freaking Tampa Bay in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen twenty fifteen twenty fifteen and you know, you want, but yeah, you want James for Marcus, and your job is just figure out who you're gonna generate trade buzz and honesty. They may even generate tweeted trade buzz that United remember, but it doesn't matter. The fact that Arizona has so much trade talk around them for potentially moving Rosen and potentially moving one indicates to me that if push came to shove they would not draft Carter one if they had rose on the roster. That's my belief. I do believe there are deals whereas ONA would move Rosena take color. I do believe those deals. List? It would not be Rosen for third round pick. Let me tell you unequivocally. I would be flabbergasted and the simple reality is this. If you draft guy at nine and then trade him for seventy five one year later like you can't show up to owner meetings. Everybody will laugh at you, Michael Bidwell, like everyday you are such a Nydia like that's I've never seen a pick depreciate like that in the history of the universe. You oughta mainly this where we're at. So I do believe there are trades. They move Rosena take Connor for I believe, they're very very steep trades that are not currently getting discussed, but may get discussed when we get close to the draft as teams really develop their boredom whether they wanna do if I'd predict right now gun to my head. What happens I would say that like Aaron Jona ends up drafting Brian burns at seven and the Jaguars take a one that would be my alternate. Guess my next closest guest is they take both at one the Jaguars Cuyler at three in the jets moved back to seven those would be what I disobeyed happening right now. That's gonna change. But whenever this whole case keenum being traded to Washington because cans from with cliff, and he'll be part of a package for Rosen is just nuts to me. Like sure I'm down with fun. I think that's that's so many steps that you would need to have all of them completed before you made the keenum deal in a vacuum. It's good value for case keenum like changing sixth or seventh for a guy who star help. You win games is great that being said, we always talk about QB purgatory. You never want case keenum to be your starter. Because he's not like bad enough that you just totally tank, and you can go draft a rookie or you can just by putting a rookie. But he's not good enough. You're really going to be highly competitive against the best teams. You're just stuck in limbo and paying money to do it. Now. The Redskins got outta like half the money in the contract. The Denver still paying it which I mean, they pants Elway. They just pants. I don't care. It's just. Just it's absurd. At this point the things. John Elway doesn't quarterbacks though. So Walton objectively good deal like in a vacuum. I don't think it should preclude them from taking a rookie and very very critically. If keenum is playing and playing decently. Well, putting up twenty points game in their six feel like four and six they should still put their rookie in because you keenum's just like he made the he brought the Vikings to the NFC championship game. And then they got destroyed by the eagles. Like he doesn't have the firepower is starting quarterback to push a team that deep into the playoffs in consistently provide Nick foles level of magic. You know, what I mean like, that's what makes Foale specials that he doesn't seem to be that quarterback that that that that quarterback who has enough firepower to get you deep into the playoffs gave the Super Bowl to win the Super Bowl. But all of a sudden he pulls out of his. But when he's there, and that's that's what we don't understand about him. Good deal. Vacuum in context could be a bad deal if the Redskins just kind of let themselves sit around where sitting Cinderella Kirk cousins quarterback just having good enough quarterback play to be competitive. Not gonna quarterback play to be, you know, legitimately competitive. You will you know, one would say, that's my thoughts on case keenum. I like cases a player. I don't think he's part of the Rosen dealer. Whatever I'll be interested to see. I I have no faith in the Redskins. Obviously, no reason to put it on Twitter wetter as can spans buy tickets, and they're all like, we don't man we don't. I mean, you saw we seventeen the eagles fill that stadium. It wasn't it wasn't Redskins fans. There are just about as sick as Dan Snyder's everybody else. I hope he lives forever. I'm not taking him. I I love him. But Ben, let's get to some eagles news. It is now being reported. Well, said by Michael Bennett that he wants to be paid more than the seven point two million dollars that he is on the books for this year with Brandon Graham returning it makes moving on from Bennett, if they so choose a little more palatable all things considered and if you've listened to the show for a while, you know, that were always pounding the table for how well Bennett played last year. But a tough business decision needs to be made concerning future with the eagles. Gun to your head is Michael Bennett on the field for the eagles in two thousand nineteen. I'm gonna say, no, I'm gonna say, yes. Mostly out of hope. We'll we'll continue to work through this process. I'm sure Bennett just got traded as I'm editing. This. Breaking news as I predicted. Michael Bennett, wasn't fact traded as I was editing. 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We are back on the kissed and Solex show episode Eighty-three brought to you by bleeding greenish Espy nation ban. Let's get to the Twitter mailbag the gentle listeners had some questions for us. I've got a few here that we can we can start with Casey young love Casey longtime listener has been very nice to me since I've joined with bleeding green nation at Casey young front of the show asks which specific position would the eagles double dip at there's a couple of for me. I think interior defensive line is a position where they could go twice on. Whether it be in free agency for a run stuffer. Ben spending premium pick on a guy like Christopher Wilkins from Clemson other really wanna work a rotation along that line in obviously, depending on what we just talked about with Michael Bennett that would go a long way in helping Fletcher Cox get back down to sixty percent of the snaps instead of the eighty percent. He was at last year another position, I think they could double dip at running back Spencer ware than double. Dip with North Dakota state running back, Bruce Anderson would be a great moment for my brand. I know I know you huge on where did you see the micro work? What? Now gras said on ninety seven five that eagles are one hundred percent players for Tevin Coleman falcons running back when he it's free a little bit pricier Reverend option. I liked to have been really like his game. Here's the most important thing about seven Coleman. Is that obviously like don't quote me on this. But I'm going to save on a podcast. So it's it's a quote, I think that of the free. He's unquestionably the best outside zone run her. Maybe the best friend Becca overall. I'm not positive on that losing Gye is where Philadelphia loses their primary outside zone guy. Yeah. And they need the outside zone guy because outside Jones will be part of their offense. They run a ton of different stuff. But they lost a lot of their outside zone in their twenty eighteen film, especially after a giant went down sproles can run outside zone. But he's better on inside zone. Corey Clement is your power style runner. Wendo small. Hypothetically was your outside runner. Ask me how that went on. Josh Adams was the best outside zone runner in the middle. Of the year. Which was that thing where Mike, and I was like how is this is not real. But he was affected relatively effective combs of outside zone. Run on the market eagles need the outside zone style guy hands. Obviously, also Philadelphia values. So he type wise he makes sense for their one. A in terms of what they need to execute the offense. So Coleman them targeting Cullman makes a lot of sense is or position that you would double dip at if you were to get it to get ten Coleman out does that take out running back from that equation for double dipping, even if it's maybe a late run guy. Right. Exactly. It's defined double dip because I can promise you Philadelphia's adding at least UDF running back at six regardless of what happens because that's just what they do. I will say this looking at it more and more thinking about it more and more checking the fridge market. My like, I twenty twenty hot take dunno. Boston Scott makes the roster boss is the active roster. 'cause I think the number one Darren sproles retires this this ideas predicate on sproles retired does retire that Boston Scott's role which is being. Roles is guard. 'cause is there, but I was false. Retires. Scott's going into camp probably as you're leading candidate for the return man position. The other guys could compete with that shell Gibson, probably not gonna be a guy that you won the active fifty three man Nelson. Aguilar who's returned before. But they never really liked using him to try to get other guys that may be a secondary player. I don't know like, you know, talking about cravat talking about Maddix aren't necessarily think those guys have great returning ability Scott's been affected their they used in their last season. And Scott's really got that spoil style frame. He can be like Clemett, Scott. Tevin coleman. That's fine. Yeah. That's that's perfect running back room. So I look it like, you know, I think Clement is gonna be a lock in the roster. Yeah. Sproles retires than it's a free agent or mid round draft pick as your one a Clements. One b and then it's just the battle of like, Josh Adams. Boston's got to know pump Frey other UDF as just you know, Peronists going after running back free alike. It I agree with that. Let me get back to the defensive line conversation for. Second at Nick Bruins asked about thoughts on Gerald Willis, the defensive tackle from Miami. As a pairing with Fletcher, Cox, look Nick type a chat, it's hard for me to get the Boston College guard. Chris Lindstrom Bouli ING Willis out of his socks out of my head. And I I've got a late first round. Great lindstrom. Love his game. So I get that. He's like a really hard person to beat regularly get that. But I didn't see enough from Willis in the other games. I don't have a very high grade on Willis is what I'm trying to get out here. I think I prefer guys, and I'll just throw it some names. Therefore, you like Chris Layton from Syracuse, Colin Sanders from western Illinois dream aunt Joan's from Ohio State, Daniel wise from Kansas who did great during this Ryan week just to give you some all these guys over Gerald Lewis. Yeah. Oh, every single one of them. Do miss it with Draymond Jones. Okay. So Jones could not be further out on a prospect than island Jerry Jones for a long time with Jones, he flashes his pad level. Analyzed Jones, Alex Jones is a potential passer. I don't like the way he tested out as idiot. So I got I like the way he tested, but I see some flexibility there tape. I see some first step quickness. He might have the worst consistent pad level of any of the interior defensive linemen in this class. They give you fix that. He might actually be able to play the run even though is a little bit undersized is that kind of while you're out on Jones because he cannot hold up for anything with that pad level in that weight natural talent who won with athleticism had no consistency. A no discipline on film, ripe, Zuber trading entirely on ability as -bility to dominate his opponents. Then a guy who is not consistent and not disciplined did not show improvement comes in combine and tests, very poorly compared to what he should have been at a letter thought to me just screams. He's got discipline issues. Yeah. I just don't like like I have no insight on the guy from people worked with him. He doesn't seem like a hard worker. Yeah. I don't see anything that that you want to just like I so he's naturally gifted. He's got good size thinner longer into your defense. Guys. Do not work their tails off now are going to get big Boyd all of the time. I can't sell a hundred Jones he made he made my top fifty on film based on certain things now based on certain things. He did he did not check those boxes. Like I wanted to see him do right? That's the huge thing. So he's definitely going to be tumbling down my board little bit Ben love this question from at Brandon Glickman. I think this is perfect for you, which non quarterback will look the most different on the eagles board verse the consensus boards been obviously, we construct our boards were doing it for thirty two teams, but boards vary. Wildly from team. Based on what they wanna do semantically both on offense defense. Some teams have certain thresholds that will pretty solid what guy fits the eagles more than they would fit on our big umbrella big board. In your opinion as offense specifically offense or defense? I'll gave one name for each offense in this take talk before. But I'm not trying to have on the podcast deebo Samuel who had receive out of South Carolina. All right. A guy who I think will be around fifty three fifty seven if the eagles want to go wide receiver early three reasons number one if you have al-shabaab aga- or pretty much nobody behind right? You need a guy who's able to win inside and outside. He's gotta be able to play both positions. Because Nelson Aguilar, basically split even his alignment outside his alignment in the slot and his routes run from wideness run from the slot. He ran I believe like around like five hundred fifty snaps outside in like four hundred eighty snaps from the slot. Don't quote me on that. If you look at his snap distribution free. Golden Tate trade seven out of eight weeks. He had more snaps from the slot than he had out wide. Then there's golden Tate seven out of the. Ten weeks? He has more snaps out wide. He does the slot. And so really that golden Tate trade is what caused the conflict in here. Right. It's what like this. The numbers are equal. But if you divide the year by Tate, you should shows you the difference. Do the eagles won Adwa than to be out wide receiver or slot receiver. I don't know deebo Samuel can be a slot receiver or not wide receiver record got that shorter compact frame when we talk about why you lined up receiver in the slot versus out wide out wide. You're more likely to get press coverage up near the line of scrimmage, and you also have one way goes you're not gonna be able to cut out left. Most of the time if you are the left outside receiver because can be pretty close to the sideline. So really the only route you're running into sideline is a comeback the slot. You're less likely to see press, and you get to weigh goes, you can cut left and right because you have space of way. So that's why you wanna have your bigger stronger receivers on the outside. They can more likely to be able to handle press coverage and your quick receivers knee inside 'cause they can maximize the two way go the value being able to release both ways deebo. His strong ineffective releases can play outside and is quick enough to maximize the to go so inside and outside versatility. That's number one. Number two, Nelson was one of the leading eagles targets in twenty seventeen in the red zone. Those numbers completely went away in twenty eight teen poured in Zakar Hornish. Jeffrey Agla was the third by very narrow margin receiver being targeted in the red zone. Philadelphia loves to have separators in the red zone. They like to throw into the end zone between ten and fifteen yards off the line of scrimmage Gibo. Samuels one of the best separators in the class. Right. Those red zone rips with ego at the senior bowl at will. Absolutely. So deebo becomes their quick option in the red zone. That Nelson wasn't able to be twenty eighteen number three gadget plays deebo Samuel returner. Great with the ball in his hands. So he can fill that returning spot. Earlier number one, but graves volunteers worthy of having those jet pass those orbit motion those little screen touches because he can create with space. Philadelphia loves that so devote for those reasons. Now on the back end won- for hill, the safety of janea, another player expect to be around fifty three fifty seven player test out of his mind. You've heard us get excited about one on the last podcast forty four eighty four inches live forty four in the vertical jump reason. I love him for what the eagles need. Malcolm Jenkins is increasingly becoming a linebacker with every year that he gets older, that's fine. He's very good at being quasi linebacker safety. You need to have a guy was able to play deep that was running McLeod nam cloud, obviously contract shorten potentially only there for one more year you need guys able to play deep now because eagles play predominantly cover three. He doesn't need to have insane range. Right. It's very helpful to have insane range. But like when we talk about Thomas the quintessential, cover three midfield safety. Well, it's important to understand the differences in the cover three that Seattle ran versus typical cover three because they they're corner. So far up into line of scrimmage that cover three press that was kind of called that really planning on cover one. They were more willing to give up the deep ball with their corners. So you need Thomas haven't seen range. Philadelphia cover three with the coroner's eight yards off hypothetically, you don't get deep as much Jalen mills. Obviously as something to say about that. But hypothetically, that's what that cushion does. She don't need to have Lee range and photos got good range. She doesn't have range, but with he'll can do. This was crucial fantastic ball skills background as a corner Philadelphia. When running was healthy this year introduced a ton more trap. Coverage is the inverted cover to MacLeod coming down into the box more show than he had ever done. What the eagles McLeod spent time in the box the biggest change the eagles made. And that's why vaunting minutes was affective as free safeties because they let him come down. He used his corner. Ability to close down. He was playing close allies scrimmage. He didn't have full deep responsibilities. Thornhill? One of the best ball hawking safeties in the class has that ability to maximize those trapped cover just to come down into robbers to come down into buzz to run inverted cover to to affect the catch generate big plays one four nil deebo Samuel. If those two fifty three and fifty seven, I would lose my mind. I would love it. I'd go bananas. I'm with you on that, very good. Suggestions there. Ben last question. We're gonna we're gonna bring it home with this. And I love this this will fit our brand perfectly. Frank j hall calls himself. Jay, not sure what's going on there at Frank j hall if you could take any two characters from game of thrones. Who would you want to play and coach the eagles keeping in mind their skill sets? And the eagles needs night king at quarterback is interesting. But while he's got the arm strength. I don't think his forty time would be sub seven. Okay. So well, this is two hundred eighty characters Tomase. Yeah. It is probably right on the limit now keeping their needs in mind. So when I think the obvious answer here is if I'm drafting a guy for the defense of side of the ball to play we need haven't needed into your defensive line. I'm going to go with MAG the mighty the giant the dude I mean how name full name. Great. He would. Yeah. Mag Martone dough wig Meg more Tunda wig. That's my guy. I mean, I just name of the giant. I forgot put game of thrones. I wonder if this will still work. No, it did giants pain. Yeah. Now as a coach I'm gonna go with. I mean, the leadership of Tyrian Lancaster that'll the blackwater advising Dany. Like, that's my guy. That's my coach I'm going with dwarf. Wow. What with the half man Amirian very bowl. I was not the name. I expect you to say what you said leadership. Really what name did you expect not like the like the semi alcoholic always scheming dwarf? I haven't even mind maybe like Ned robber, brassy and note that makes is so Robert stance Raphael Braff staying says, no fun. He'd be like a Bill Bill. Check presser not that. We will not be disparaging Ned in this house. Yeah. Let's just trust them to verse time ever watched game of thrones. Which spoiler you've never watched it when call and Ned both dynasty aim episode Ganassi's one I had to stop watching, and I took like a month off, and then I re began because I needed time to emotionally recover. So we'll do the where were you when Ned died? I was actually reading books, and what happened was when I read the first Chevrolet. Oh, this is really good. I was reading the books right after the first season rose released. I didn't know it was a thing. I was traveling a lot for work. I didn't have a lotta time to sit down and watch television. So I had a book with me who's game of thrones. And it was the show cover. It was Ned stork on the cover, and I got to like seven tents through the first book, and he'd die. Died and I lost my mind. I'm like there's five of these books. He's on the cover. Right. They skirted you time. What is happening? So. Yeah. That was my experience. So. Yeah. But Magda mighty inter you're defensive line. Terry, Lancaster as my coach. Ben to who do you have let's say who's the other giant because I feel like I feel like I might have gone with the different giant than people know, the one that was smashing all the all the Wild Wings and everything not the Wild Wings. The the giant that I found when I when I looked at was one way one Dr one which is the the one who's next to torment and that one famous picture. Yeah. Arm is my favorite character game of thrones. I think he's hysterical. I love his facial expressions the best and he's ranted awful, and I love him to death. He also looks kinda like Chris long this this Mike K of edgy dot com. Take I don't hate it sell Tormenta defense event. So we torment coaching right coaching. There's actually no question. There's one of two people who would coach it would either be Sarci Lancaster. Laura Leno tyrel new the baddest m efforts in the hall show. All right now Alanna actually eventually catches the we all knowledge that but we knew that was coming. She lasted for longer than you would expect it. But the thing about, sir. See as coach is if you think like Doug is bold when he goes for like four thousand four like, you know, the opponents forty Sirs fourth fifteen from our twenty searches going for your own twenty. She's she's doing it to doing it. Right. If when you're the character who actually says the titular where you play the game, you know, give thrones yacht unite right exactly like you have to be certified VA, she obviously. And she can she can withstand the heat of the Philadelphia media. She walked naked through the streets king's landing with a behind her so shame. She's great. You know what I mean? She can handle very Eddie study shows wanna cut her losses. I e kill her own people, you know, willing to make the tough sacrifice to make tough cuts. Some would say very loyal Gloria Arias a super. Offensive piece, very versatile. Basically play any position have any face have any number call drug at fullback awfully there for that. Oh. He's one he's like alligator. When he tweeted the tongue out of the guy lost my mind, literally cheered alowed. These game of thrones player takes do you want any questions here? There's a question. I saw that. I want you to answer you can meet with a quick one. Which do you prefer from Carlos are at Carlos to a Spence aware. Corey clement. Travis Homer window smollet be Damon. Harris Darren sproles, Corey Clement window Smallwood. See divine is go do Johnson. Corey Clement windows Mua go the third one ago with divine who tested fantastically at his pro day. And then you add in Duke Johnson caller may shock. Yeah. I mean, we all knew he was gonna test. Well, just based off of his Tate. He's a dog on good football player. We're talking about the running back Branca. But yet then trade for Duke Johnson because they're in sproles great for a year. But do Johnson. I mean, you can have him for a few years. So I'm gonna go with the more long-term outlook. There will go with a zippo. And I'll go with Duke Johnson both. I mean, you don't have to spend a whole lot of capital on this guy. So I am definitely with that configuration. Ben that is going to do it. The kissing selects show eighty three Sega by to the gentlest news. Oh, thank you. As always listen to the kissing select show him John radio everyday day to be alive. Great did have a great day. Few enjoyed podcasts. Please go ahead rate review in subscribe on whenever happy listen to your podcast, but especially itunes because we care about that. When the most gives were prejudice towards max makes you're listening to all the rate of the Bijan radio shows cluding QB SCO show at the podium. 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RTCD #184: Combine Preview - Defense

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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RTCD #184: Combine Preview - Defense

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If you haven't already to get that fifty percent, welcome bonus. And if you haven't already what are you waiting for Fran? Of course, the Philadelphia Eagles video scouting guru, whom you should all be following on. Twitter at f-. Duffy three all kinds of good stuff from France that you can find over on his Twitter, and we're continuing I should probably mention if you're new to the show, I'm Ross Tucker. Thanks for thanks to turn in a former NFL offensive lineman. You've come to the right place. If the draft is your thing, and you try to learn more about it, especially if you want to get the best breakdown of the defensive players heading into the combine Fram. We talked about this last week. And I would encourage people they didn't check out last week's episode to go back and check out the combine preview on the offensive side of the ball. We went over, you know, the different categories friend that you'll talk about but quickly again, they are tap pick workout warrior trust the tape. Stop watch shocker will kill the drills. Most approve most productive couch player. Best pro comparison. Best story small school St.. Philly connection. Mr. average, any of those friend that you think definitely need further explanation thinks some of those are are obvious, maybe maybe workout warrior trust to tape. Stop watch. Shocker and we'll kill the drills. Yeah. I think the workout warrior is always like giving a negative connotation. I'm just picking a guy that I think is just gonna blow up the athletes testing portion trust the tape as a guy that may not test. Well, but I'm not expecting them to test while so I'm not gonna crush them too bad. If the testing doesn't go all that. Well, this week stop watch shocker guy that's going to surprise us with how he tests and we'll kill the drills is gonna look I got it's gonna look good. You know when they get into the position specific drills. So these were all categories that I highlighted in my positional previews over on Philadelphia Eagles dot com. I go very much indepth on all those categories at each position tried to cover as many guys as possible. So we'll hit on a few categories each position here. But make sure you just go check those out. For the full descriptions at each position. Right. So what we're doing is. We're going by position, and we are going to dive into not every player, but a couple of guys that Fran feels like are especially noteworthy at each position group that you should know for whatever reason in whatever category, we just gave. And by the way, just before we dive into that friend today's the first day, but it's really just the first day for the media portion. There aren't any on field workout today. Correct now on steal stuff doesn't start till Friday. So basically the stuff will see today players got into town yesterday and today is going to be head coach and general manager media day for the most part. So we don't we're not gonna talk to any players today players won't start speaking to the media until Thursday. So today, we'll be you know, big quotes from head coaches. General manager around the league. And then the players will start talking. And then they'll start talking on the field as well. Let's get to the edge rushers. It's arguably the best position in the draft. Or at least at the top of the draft. It's been talked about a lot who are the guys that you feel like we need to talk about whole certainly I mean, we know about Nick Bosa. I always talked so much about him over the course of the last year. I to me the best player in the draft. He's going to test which is a good thing. We've come in off the injury. So we'll see how he does. I think he's going to test very well, not as well as Rashawn Gary who I think is going to be one of the freak shows of the entire event at his size on just under two ninety. We'll see what he weighs in. We'll see if he shed some weight or if he's gonna keep that weight on and expect to put up those same numbers that we've seen reported. I know Bruce Feldman has written about that ad nauseam is what Rashawn Gary is going to do at this event. So I expect for Sean Gary to be one of the again, one of the top testers. Regardless of position. That's why I listen to him as my workout warrior in that combine preview, I expect him to just do ridiculous things across the board in these tests guys that I would expect to test while Brian burns from Florida state very sized. And the honestly one of the big numbers to come from this Ed group will be what he weighs in it. There was some talk yesterday. I forget who puts a report out. I don't want to miss site it. But the said he might be in the two forties. That'd be a huge win. Brian. Burns him come in at two forty five that's still under size, but a big step up from where he was listed at and where he played out early in his career. So if Brian burns coming in the two forties and test very well. That'll be a big w for him Jakab polite from Florida I'd put in that same boat as a guy that has an under sized pass rusher that should test. Very well as a very good athlete. But how is he going to come in and weigh in? How's he gonna look physically that was a question about Josh Allen from Kentucky a year ago? So what does he do this off season? He stays in school doesn't enter. The twenty eighteen NFL draft puts on the fifteen twenty pounds. He gets up over two fifty and has a huge season. Now instead of being a fringe first round pick. Now everyone's talking about him in the top five top ten. So that's going to be the big thing with burns and polite is can those guys show that they maintain that athletes is while adding a little bit more weight that's going to be the big thing with all those guys. Honestly, the guy that I think could really solidify himself as a top half of first round player with a great workout this week is Cleveland Farrell from Clemson because honestly when I watch him on films. He's probably a right alongside Nick Bosa as the best technician as a pass rusher, and he uses his hands. Very well. He's got a very well defined plan of attack. He is a high motor those are things that lead to sax in the NFL. The big question. I have Farrell is. You know, how explosive is he shows the fluid to be able to drop and play and coverage. He's done a little bit of that it Clemson. But not a guy that I would say, oh, man. He's a plus athletes. So if he can come here. To Indy on Sunday have a big time workout. Now, you're talking about guy that really kind of solidifies himself. Okay. He's checking a lot of boxes here because he checks the box off the field. His film is very good. If he can say, okay, I'm on a plus athlete. Now, you're going to be hard pressed to say that you're gonna take him behind some of these other pass rushers that we've already talked about so Cleveland Farrell is certainly a guy that I think can can really really help himself. The most this week. I get I would say Brian birds polite concertedly help themselves with their way ins as well. But that's a guy that I expect to really help. So another guy that I was throwing that same boat. It's Charles who from Texas has gained a lot of buzz over the last five six months coming into the season was not really talked about. Remember a lot of people talked a lot about Bryce Hager his teammate at Texas. But we talked on this show a lot about who over the summer guy that has good size. He's got position versatility lineup on either side can also slide inside if you need them to I compared him honestly in my preview to trae flowers. The veteran from the New England Patriots. Who's now hitting the free agent market has been the best defensive lineman for Bill Belichick. And I think when you're looking at a lot of those coaches that have played that have coached under check that need help on the defensive line. You look at Detroit you'll look at Miami. Obviously New England as well. I think who would fit really really well for those teams. So those are all guys that I think can really really help themselves over the course of this week, the Regis do a whole edged segment, and you didn't mention Jalen jokes. I knew that you would bust on me. If I did, I we all know, if you listen to the show, you know, how I feel about Jaylen jobs. He was the guy that I listed as my stop watch. Shocker that. I think is going to kind of make people remember. Oh, yeah. This kid is a quality athlete. I'm excited to see him test this week. Let's get to the D tackles the interior guys. Obviously Quinton Williams is the guy that heads up that group, but who else fits different parts of your criteria on the interior. Yeah. I think, you know, at Oliver, you look at his guy that it will certainly be a workout warrior, right? I mean in terms of the raw numbers, he's gonna post ridiculous athletic testing scores for defensive tackle. The question will be what does he weigh in it? Does he come in at two eighty five and put up great tests numbers? If he does that. I think he's he's a lock now back into that discussion. We initially talked about him, and you know, the top ten top twelve people have been slowly dropping him in these mock drafts has fallen to fourteen to Atlanta's he falling out of the first round in general. I mean, it's kind of crazy because we were just talking about him a year ago as a lock for the number one number two number three. And now we're saying, oh, he might fall out completely Daniel Jeremiah said on his his conference call on Monday that some teams might look. A him as kind of a Melvin Ingram edge player. You stand him up off the edge. So I can't wait to see what Oliver ways in it. I think we'll get that number on Friday. But we'll see what he weighs in it. I expect to test very very well. So we'll see there are a lot of really intriguing athletes on the defensive tackle position in this class and Christian Wilkins is a guy that should test. Very very well across the board Draymond Jones from Ohio State guy. I'm very very intrigued by he's going to test. Really, well, Gerald Willis has an explosive first step kid that really kind of a one year wonder at the college level initially a five star recruit. Landon Collins little brother goes to Florida has issued their transfers to Miami. And again took some time away from the game came back as a senior and now had a huge year and really kind of put himself on the map as a big time prospect. So we'll see what happens with Gerald Willis this week. He would really help himself with a quality workout one got to keep an eye on John Kaminsky from from Charleston, West Virginia D to kid is a really. Oppressive athlete. I mean for a big kid former high school quarterback that showed up. I want to say he was like two fifteen to twenty when he first got to campus. Now, he's like two hundred and eighty five pound defensive lineman was three four this past year. Only had three sacks. And that's the thing that people are kind of crushing them on. You know, it was the lack of production at a lower level of competition. But you watch Kaminsky, and he is just bigger and faster than everybody at that level of competition. Here's a very intriguing developmental player that I would expect to test very well Rennell Rin from Arizona state, another guy that I think will test well this week and really will continue to impress people. Again, slashes really well on film had a really good start to the week at the senior bowl kind of tailed off as the week went on. But was one of the stars of Monday's practice of Tuesday's practice rather? So I think when you look at a lot of these guys you could see why defensive tackles viewed as one of the best positions in this draft. There's a lot of town a lot of guys that should test. Very very well this week. I like it. All right. Let's get to the next position group, and we're talking linebackers friend. Yeah. I looked at the number one guy is Devon white from LSU. He's been compared a lot. So it's a roquan Smith from last year's class out of Georgia. And I could see why I mean, he's built very similarly a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses. You know, just a fireball. I mean the guy just plays with ridiculous urgency and competitiveness from sideline to sideline. He's ridiculously explosive. I love watching Devon white player. He's a ton of fun to watch pretty instinctive kid sometimes can be a little bit reckless with how he approaches the ball. You almost comes in a little bit too hot at times and needs to be able to come in a little bit more patient. So you can break down and finish one on one. But this kid has all the tools you're looking forward to be a three down player in the NFL. So he's the guy I would expect to go. Hi out expect from the test ver- well this week. He's the he's one of the top players in the straffed as we move down the. List? I think you get to some really intriguing players one guy that I think is going to just blow up this event is VO Sean Joseph from Florida. I watched Joseph for the first time last week. He's one of the most gifted athletes in this draft. He's listed to twenty six. That's what he was listed by Florida. So certainly light. We'll see what he comes in at this week. But every athlete trait. You're looking for this kid's got I mean, he can accelerate and decelerate on on-command explosive speed short area burst. He's not standing Blitzer. He can play in reverse not great in coverage. And that's one of the things you want to see he's got all the athlete traits. But does he have the the instincts and the ability to read routes and play the ball? Those are things you want to see from him in coverage. I think a lot of people are interested. See what he looks like in drills this week in that area. But, you know, vote on Joseph a lot of fun. Very physical. Varied stink. Tive? I compared him to tell Vince Smith in my write up of them just because they were built. So similarly, you know, tell us Smith coming out a Florida state of. Few years ago. Yeah, he was small, but when you looked at him on films was really tough really competitive, really instinctive. I see a lot of those same traits with Voshan Joseph another player that I expect opposite test very well is Devon Bush from Michigan. And the kind of the rap on Bush was yeah, he was productive for Michigan very tough instinctive. You can be Mike backer. People don't really talk about his athleticism. I think when you especially when you look at him in a straight line. I mean, he's got that explosive linear athleticism to fly to the football. I am excited to see what he does in the shuttle's in terms of what he looks like laterally, but you know, in a straight line, Devin Bush, I think is really really interesting another guy, that's really athlete because Mak Wilson from Alabama. That's not going to be a question Mark for him. I think really the question with them will be his play recognition. He will fall step times and things like that. That's why we're not talking about him as a top ten top twelve pick. But MAC Wilson athletically, everything you want. He's outstanding in coverage made some grateful as on the ball throughout the course of the career. Some of the best interceptions that I've seen from the linebacker position since I've started evaluating players. So it's a really good group of linebackers in terms of some really intriguing players. It's I think it's kind of getting a bad rap ons across a lot of people say all linebackers, the weakest group in this draft. I don't I don't know that on this surely go that far I think that there are some intriguing players across the board offering a wide variety of skill sets. You know, I was going to ask you that friend because I've seen a bunch of people on Twitter complaining about the linebackers after the top couple of guys saying they're having a real tough time finding any linebackers kind of in the in the middle rounds to really get excited about does. That mean, it's a top heavy drafted. It's lacking depth. What do you think? I mean, I think it's probably. Yeah. It's it's a little bit shallow on death. It's it's certainly not as deep as some of these other positions we've talked about. But I think that there we've seen worse positions. Let's let's say that not. Not necessarily for this year. But in other years, I mean, I know, you know, what was it? Like last year's tight end group. Like, I was struggling to find guys. Like, you know. Yeah, Dow, Scott, it was a stud, but outside of that like I was struggling to find guys to be really excited about I go to I look at this linebacker Ruben we've talked about a handful of the mardi. We talk about Terrel Hanks, we didn't talk about TJ Edwards. We didn't talk about. I'm going through my list here. We didn't talk about meeting Pratt. We talk about the only Taki Taki from BYU guy. That really impressed me. We didn't talk about Gilani survived from Hawaii a favourite of Dame brewer and another guy that I thought would have tested very very, well, it seems like he's not going to test this week. But tha vise is a guy with all all of the physical traits that you were looking for is done so many things for the rainbow warriors over the course of his career. He's played off the edge. He's played in coverage. He's played in the slot. And he's played stacked can rush the passer can play against the run Gilani tonight. I I watched him last week for the first time, and it was blown away by this kid with what he can bring to the field. Dadi Ohka Rica from Stanford is a nice solid to down guy that I think has potential to be a three down player. I mean, it's a solid group. It's it's not it's not a terrible group of linebackers. I think the the junior class certainly helped it, you know, guys like MAC Wilson and Devon white and those guys entering the draft. Evan bush. That's certainly helped it, but. Are there are some intriguing players in this linebacker class? All right. Well, let's move on to the secondary. And we'll start with the corners where I saw Daniel Jeremiah all said that there's a lot of mixed opinions on, greedy Williams. And I'm guessing you know, how. Well, he runs going to be a big part of it. Yeah. And I think really the big question with Williams is just been kind of up and down play. You don't always see the ability to sign the ball late. The ability to send the run and my nose are things that people have put into question with. He's got all the physical tools, so and he's a guy honestly that I expect to comment and look good at this event. I do expect him to test. Well, so we'll see what he does over the course of this week and health his stock. There are few guy. Honestly, the corner group is where I think there's the most grounded game for some of these guys. I mean, I think players can certainly help themselves the most in this group because it's it's really it's mixed opinions across the board. I mean, you know, I look at from an athletics. Stamp point some guys that can really help themselves. Kendall Sheffield from Ohio State tape was very up and down. But this kid's a world class athlete. I mean, he set a number of records coming out of high school, you know, in terms of his ability to run track also ran track at Ohio State. He's got it stood out to me when I was studying Denzel word last year. Just with the way that he moved in that Ohio State secondary. So kindle Sheffield has got to keep an eye on Jimmy dean from Auburn Ohio State transfer started his career there has a number of knee injuries in his career. So that's going to be something that he's going to have to work through from a medical standpoint. Like the DB's get here. So the DB's would get here on Saturday. So that hold probably going through his medicals on Sunday. So L deans can have a big day Sunday just kind of going through all that making sure that everything is clear with that knee. But outside of that. I mean, he's a world class athlete as well. I mean, some of the times that he is posted throughout the course of his career have been really really impressive. So keep an eye on Djamil dean if he were to test Julian love from. My name is a guy that isn't getting a lot of buzz right now. But was really really productive over the course of his career a three or flair for the Irish who posted five picks thirty nine pass breakups. That's really good numbers over three years. I think that's a guy to kind of keep an eye on a contest. Well, I think that he can really help himself. Byron Murphy from Washington like most Washington corners. He's gonna come in a little bit light. I think a lot of people are interested to see what he comes in. He was listed at one eighty two. You'd like to see him come up, you know, a little bit over one ninety NC if he can get over that benchmark, but on film, I really enjoy watching this kid play he's athletic. He's really scrappy and competitive, he's got the mindset to play on the boundary. He's a player that I really was intrigued by watching him on film, the player that a lot of people are starting to really gain ground on dang. Jeremiah is one of them is John Williams from Vanderbilt. I mean, he's listed six three to await rare size cornerback spot. And you know, he's got the ability to. Find the ball down the field. I mean there there are some plays. He made on the football that I thought were really really impressive. And I'll tell you what he doesn't run like two hundred eight Tom corner. I mean, if he can come out and just has to put a solid workout in terms of just abroad numbers post. You know, if you can run low four fives. Hi, four force the I mean, that's that that's going to be a huge win for John Williams. So to me when I look at this quarterback class, and I have mentioned like is like the Andre Baker who has kind of been billed as a as a first round pick throughout the course of the process. You know, if these guys can come and whoever kind of posts, a great workout, I think it's going to try and set themselves apart. And I think this is the position where the combines to clear some things up in this cornerback class in terms of how people view them in terms of mock drafts and top fifties, big boards and things like that. It's going to really kind of clarify some things at that position. Fringe system. I thought was interesting about Washington corners always coming in late. Why is that? I think that might just be you know, kind of what they like the position they may not stress. The fact that those guys need to be really big. I think that was a big thing with Sidney Jones when he came out. Right. Was you know, I think he was listed like one seventies. When he was when he was playing there. So I think when you look at the those Washington corners typically, they they have been a little bit light. That's interesting. I didn't know that before by the way before we get to the safeties. I should mention bed online dot AG. In fact, I have to mention and I need to because it's awesome. If you want to start to make Fettes fun, even bet on combine performances over a bed online AG if you're into that kind of thing, certainly you can go ahead, and you can go to bed online that AG. Use the promo code podcast one. Get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus fifty percent. Welcome owes bed on the couch performances bet on the draft. But on the af or if you're in the college hoops NBA cetera, you can bet on that as well. Fed online dot AG. Just make sure you use that promo code podcast one frame. What do you have on the safeties to wrap this up? This was the one of the last position groups I studied and a lot of juniors that I hadn't. Got to yet. I love the senior group shaped he's and we we talked about that at the senior bowl Jonathan Abram one Thornhill just the rest of that group. I was really really impressed with the senior group of safety. So I was excited to get to the junior class. And I got there were some really intriguing players. I mean Taylor rap from Washington is a guy that I actually listed as my top pick. I I love Taylor rap. Great tackler smart instinctive coverage player started playing in the Nichols, a true freshman. He's really tough the question that people have is you know, is the explosive enough as he ranging up to play sideline to sideline. Kenny be a true post players free safety in the middle of the field. But outside of that like I got no concerns about Taylor rap. I think he could play in the slot. I think he can play down near the last scrimmage. He's today's strong safety in the NFL. I think he can play in coverage in terms of being able to play man to man, he could certainly be too high guy. Phenomenal run defender. Great Blitzer outstanding kid away from the field hard work or kind of a self-made kid coming out of high school. Teams may view him differently across the league. But it would shock me at all Taylor rap snuck into the first round. He's a guy I'm really really excited about. But then you get across across the scope of this thing. I mean guys I expect a test. Well, Chauncey Gardiner Johnson was basically a slot quantity. He say he is. He was a slot corner. For Florida this year didn't play in their base defense. But always lined up in the slot. Really been he arrived on. On campus as a corner, and you know, this is a guy that has the athletes this meal play plays with an edge. Good blitzer? Tough run-defender instinctive coverage players well like I said can play the ball in the air. I was impressed with Chauncey garner Johnson. He went toe to toe with deebo Samuel in that South Carolina game it and had a number really impressive reps. One guy xpected test. Very well. Jonathan abor from Mississippi State, really explosive. I've described in the past kind of a heat seeking missile fluid hip, strong recovery speed easy, change direction skills. You know, he should be one of the top testers at the safety position as well. You know, a guy that again that I think that you can do everything you want from an athletic standpoint. I would put one Thornhill from Virginia in that same boat. Very productive over the course of his college career. I've compared them on this podcast numerous times to Eddie Jackson, former corner, I think he's going to test. Very very well. There's a lot of interesting guys. I mean, a Monte hook. From Iowa as a player who's you know, he'd been a strong safety course was career plays a linebacker for half of his final season there with the Hawkeyes this past year. So, you know for teams now that are kind of looking at like, what can I do for me in sub package, we'll kind of role can you play? You know, I think of taro Edmonds last year who was a surprise first round pick for the for the Pittsburgh Steelers coming out of Virginia Tech. I'm only hookers similar kind of player. I actually I also compare them to guy like Patrick Chung as well. You know, a guy that can just be a smart coverage player in the middle of the field. Maybe not a true matchup guy on the perimeter. Maybe not a true center fielder in the as a free safety. But as the guy if you're a heavy sub package team, and you like playing with multiple safety plan them in the slot. Flying them in in the short intermediate zones. I think Monty Hooker can play that role and play it. Well, I would say the same thing about guys like marquees Blair from Utah. About Richard Gant early Gant, rather from Marshall Maliki is really physical, really. A really aggressive over the middle of the field. Just one of the notes I put up he's got no conscience as a hitter. Whether it's down down downhill run. Whether it's receivers crossing over the middle of the field. One of the biggest hitters that I've watched in this draft class. And then one guy that I think will surprise people's Evan Worthington from Colorado any other year. I think Worthington would would have been at the senior bowl would have been talked about as one of the top senior safeties in the class. But since it's such a deep group he's kind of slipped through the cracks a little bit was at the east west shrine game. He was one of my favorite prospects down there. I think he's flying a little bit under the radar, but he's athletic versatile kid that I can do a lot of things in today's league. So those would be some safeties that I'll be keeping my eye on this week. Make sure your phone friend on Twitter at three that is the way to get at friend. You can always catch eagle eye in the sky podcast. He's got the jury of the draft podcast posted all kinds of stuff over Philadelphia Eagles dot com. 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RTCD #189: Kyle Crabbs

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And we've got the final four so use that promo code at podcast won't use the promo code podcast one at bed online dot A. G? I of course, Ross Tucker former NFL offensive lineman five team seven years got a bunch different podcasts that I love including this one the couch draft podcasts, and it is April. And the draft is this month get excited, we are not that far away. You can of course, always check out the even money podcast fantasy feast Ross Tucker football pike as business of sports hazard ground. They're all over at Ross Tucker dot com as well. We're going to change things up a little bit today and bring. On my guy. Kyle crabs from Berks county where I'm from. He's been on the show before I think it's probably been a couple of years at this point. We can't let that happen. Again. We gotta do it every single year at least once a year. He does a terrific job and has for quite some time he grinds to tape as well as anybody, which is why his Twitter handle is at grinding the tape, and he is one of the main guys over at the draft network. Those guys are doing an unbelievable job. Cow. Good to talk with demand. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for having me back Ross here. I thought I just dropped the ball so bad on my last segment. You didn't want me back. But it scary to be back and looking forward to talking to football with you, man. No, not at all man you killed it. So Kyle's from where I'm from Pennsylvania. He went to Wilson high school, which is home of Kerry Collins, John Gilmore, Chad Henny is a current NFL. Player from wills. Nice go which is kind of a rival next door neighbor to Wilson to why missing high school, which is where I went one of these. I like the most this time of year Kyle is when you get to this point, you'll most feel like when you you start to look at all the mock drafts that are out there, and you start to feel like there's almost like this consensus of what each player is the forty names that you see in the first round in some way, shape or form of most mock drafts. And I don't know. I guess I always think it's more interesting to actually get guys really putting their opinions out there and really talking about guys they're they're higher on and their lower. Because that's really how the teams do it. You know, we always think we have these. Mythical draft boards based on all the mock drafts. And then there's always surprised when guys we hadn't gone in like, I remember Cherie Floyd. Everybody thought was going top five top ten top five top ten next thing. You know Cherie floor goes like in the mid twenties. And then there's the guys that go in the first round that weren't any mock drafts last year, nobody had Terrell Edmonds. The younger the older brother Tremaine Edmons going in the first round. But to me, that's what makes it fun. Kyle. And that's what that's what makes it cool. Yeah. There's there's always that very ability because there's thirty two teams that are scoring and grading the players relative to their own needs and wants and how they were indoctrinated in the way you need to play the game of football. And so thirty two different independent draft boards is gonna get you a ton of variance as far as who's being coveted highly who's drafting specifically for need who's drafting for just strictly best player available. Another good example last year is a Reshad penny. The running back went to Seattle and the the lake I rounded was a big time surprise as well. Obviously everybody talked about Nick chub and saquon Barkley and last year's running back class dairy guys was generally considered the only other potential first round running back and he slipped to the second round the Washington. So a whole bunch of variables. And that that's the mystery component. Of this. That is what they need the bug in the first place because there's so much into it, and you really have to delve into it and trying to get inside the thought process of each of the thirty two teams. Such a great point. I love it. And I love the examples because people can remember last year and say, yeah, you know, what they did like that guy more than other people, or they did, you know, I never saw that guy in any mock drafts. And the thing that's weird about it. Right. Is that on the one hand, you don't want other people to know how you feel because you want to get the player that you cover it. So you're these teams the Steelers hawks glad when the guy that they want isn't showing up in these mock drafts because there's certain guys that they want. They don't want, you know, some other team to jump in front of them and get them or they don't want you know, that consensus to be higher on the guy. They wanna be the only one that feels that way the flip side, though, just in terms of public perception, which shouldn't really matter. But for some franchise it does is that when their team drafts a guy. In the first round that the fans didn't hear about leading up to it. And that the fans did not see any mock drafts those fans freak out, which always cracks me up. It's like, okay. I know they got a staff of fifteen people that have been working on this draft for well over a year. And that this is the guy they want, but he wasn't in the mock drafts I read so this is wrong. This is a major problem very upset right now fade it if it you as a fan haven't heard of the player, it must mean, he's bad instead of just. Taking into account your team has specific sets of criteria. And as you said at the very top of this segment, there's a general consensus forty players. There's the top quote unquote, forty players in the class, and that's not going to be the case for everybody. But scheme specific you can get into some really really nice fits for the players with certain teams, especially in this year's class. There are a lot of players that I have early second round grades on second round grades on. But if you're going to run a specific kind of system and implement this player in specific kind of way, I can absolutely understand. Why eighteen would target that player in the first round? And that kind of shift in philosophy mice for myself personally as a draft analyst over the course of the past couple of years has been very enlightening for me personally as I've grown as an analyst. Because before it was well, this is my great on this player. And he was rated player Rex. And they took him pick. Why what's more complicated than that? So that's one of the things that were hoping to accomplish with the in-depth work that we're doing at the draft network to is to to kind of break some of these norms that you as a consumer of the draft or experiencing and get you thinking a little bit more critically to understand why your team does what it does. Well, and you guys were doing a terrific job of that. And I encourage people, obviously, if you're listening to this podcast, you are into it. So I encourage you to check out the draft network and all the great jobs that Kyle and his crew were doing over there. It's very very impressive and comprehensive and I'm glad to get you on. So what I wanted to do Kyle. And I might do this the next few weeks because this is the most interesting aspect of it to me is I want to I want to find players that you are much higher on then the consensus or lower on. On than the consensus. And just find out why we we don't know who's right or wrong, by the way on some level. You never really know. Because there's so many things that go into factoring in whether or not the player ultimately has success in the NFL, you know, landing spot coaching scheme, etc. Blues interesting as we get closer to the draft just to hear divergent opinions and people that you feel a little bit differently about. So let's start it out with some guys that you like more. I'm a positive person. Let's go let's go on the optimistic side guys you like a little bit more or maybe a lot more than the consensus. And let's start with Dalton reisner from Kansas state. It is reisner right? Or is it Resonator? Yeah. It's reisner so easy top. Fifteen overall player for me in this year's class because I think he's a pretty safe projection to the next level. You can play Gardy compla- tackle, I wanna let him fail outside and work his way in if you have to play him inside. But playing Kansas state, he is an absolute mall or I love his mentality. I love his demeanor. He's an extremely. Authoritative presence on the football field. Now, he's not the most fleet of foot, but you've seen offensive tackles Ross, you know, this. It's not just about your s lettuces them. And it's not just about having quick feet. You have to have angles and technique, and you know, you're strike timing with your hands, and how you're framing your blocks in the angles getting out of your out of your stance in your past sets. And he does all these things. Really? Well, he does the little things that allows him as a more heavy footed offenses tackle to be a player that if you play a lot of gap power concepts. If you like to have your offensive linemen firing out Ford at the snap of the ball. He can excel in those situations, and he's really really affective utilizing his length and his his role strength as a pass blocker to be able to unbe lope. Some a lot of pass rushers that have come across in lined up across from him. So he was a player coming into the senior bowl to beginning of this year's all star. Search. Guit? I was a little apprehensive about playing it offense attack because the foot speed wasn't necessarily a blue chip quality for him. But then you watched him and he owned everybody at the senior bowl and the one on ones in an environment. That's really tailored for the defensive players to win those reps. And I thought he did a wonderful job while we had a chance to talk to him a little bit. It's no his mentality his personality. And I think he's really really cut out for playing in the pros. He's very impressive player for me. You know, it's interesting. I watched him last summer his junior tape, and I I was not overly impressed. And I remember seeing some of the things that you saw about, you know, he didn't seem like a great athlete. I you know, he seemed like what what Parcells used to call. A guy that just got man guy. Right. Like, he got his guy. But it didn't look real pretty right? It just you know, it didn't look pretty wasn't fleet of foot. I came away. A lot more impressed after I what I watch at the senior bowl. I didn't even watch any senior tape of him yet. But when I watch him at the senior bowl, especially in the one on ones he looked a lot better to me. Because the the Kansas state film, my watch it just thought I thought he was good. But I didn't think it was anything special certainly not to say top fifteen player. But you're also talking to a guy where I was a got man guy was not real pretty it didn't look, but I just kinda got the job done. So I should have more of an affinity for those guys and have their back a little bit more. What about safety Chauncey Gardiner Johnson other guy? No you like. Chauncey garnered Johnson as a player much like what your impressions were with Dalton riser coming into two thousand eighteen coming into two thousand eighteen I watched his tape. And I said, I don't know if this guy's it. He's really wild. He's he's athletic, but his tackling was very very core in two thousand seventeen and he came out this year and was like a totally different football player as far as his contact balances coming to balance in space as he's trying to square up tackles much, much better. He was extremely instinctive. They played him in a lot of different spots. They they played him off the edge as a blitz player and run defender. They played him in the Nikolas. Amanda man cover in in the nickel. They let him roam inside of the intermediates and really just kinda hunt. Anything that was coming across his face in an attack. It I think that's the kind of role that you have here is an attack safety. He's got enough athleticism that I think you can afford to play him on the back end. And you could relate him if you had to or if you wanted to bring pressure, and you just wanted to have your safe he's being or changeable. So you can roll one down anytime you'd like, but I really like this guy as kind of a nickel hybrid type modern day safety that you can transition into nickel without having to take one of your. Defensive backs or or just dump this guy down the linebacker, and you can have some flexibility in that regard, and really really impressive change direction skills really impressive mental processor as far as when he's kinda flexed outside the the hashes. He sees stuff developed really quick, and he's quick to attack the line of scrimmage well. And while we're on safeties. Why don't we get into Amani Hooker from Iowa and Darnell savage from Maryland a couple of other guys? I know you like, yeah. A couple of big tank kids. So Monte hookers a little bit of a different style. Then what we just got done talking about with Chauncey garner Johnson. A Monte is a guy who can play nickel. But he's nowhere near the dynamic athlete. And my question with him. After I washed his tape was I just don't know how athletic he is. Because he didn't show a lot of burst in spring. So that that's something to at least accounts for, but he had great athletic testing at the NFL combine so it kind of. Took me back, and I reached him again, and what I kind of came away with. He's just so controlling calculated with his feet. He's very very crisp and deliberate with his feet, even if it's not the most sudden pedal that he has when he has to gain depth that the snap or his transitions. Those steps are very clean. There's no wasted movement there, and it almost gives him the perception that he's not moving particularly fast. But I love the pedigree that he has coming out of Iowa. And he was a player that was used in several different kinds of situations. He's not a guy I would want in the deep or the deep portions of the field by himself to play cover one as a single high safety. But if you're playing split safeties and cover two or he you wanna roll him down and ask him to do some things inside a fifteen yards in zone coverage and a little bit of man to man, if you've got a safety that's going to be over top of them to help them out in the nickel. He could win in those situations, and then Darnall savage from Maryland is just an extremely. Potent athlete. I thought he developed and got his ball skills. Much much better throughout the course of his entire college career. He's got a little bit of Karl Joseph in it from West Virginia was a first round pick for the Oakland Raiders as far as he's a booming hitter. He is explosive speed. He will close and close down angles in absolutely no time at all. And he had a chance to show a little bit more versatility later in his career where he was just kinda pegged as like this box speed. Big hitter type of safety, but he he can really really bring it in a lot of different areas. And I think he's a player that you've seen a recent rise for so I wouldn't be surprised if he is a top fifty top sixty pick. When it's all said and done is a guy who was generally considered a late day too early day three kind of guy. How about a quarterback Brett Rippin? I it's not a name that we you've heard a lot in this process. Yeah. So coming into this year. I was really looking for a quarterback. They kinda separate himself from the pack and obviously with Dwayne Haskins only having a half a game against Michigan under his belt and column or being behind Baker Mayfield. Like this summer studying quarterbacks was a rough study Rippin was one who at least stood out for having pro style traits. And I love the way he moves his is. But even him this year he took big steps forward as far as the crispness of his decision. How quickly his eyes are moving. I think he's a career backup. If you had to put him in a situation to start it. He's a scheme specific started. But he could be an average starting quarterback. It's pro level. His his biggest problem is his stature he's right around six to other shade under six two and he's like two hundred and five pounds. So he doesn't have a great Bill. But if he's able to build that up and relieve some of those concerns about durability the guy who's not mobile enough like Tyler Murray to avoid big hits and constantly flush the pocket and avoid getting himself crushing Kriens Brett rip in has some of the best down the field. Throws under pressure of any quarterback in this year's class. He actually one about the fastest ball velocities at the NFL combine he topped out throwing to his left at fifty nine miles per hour and fifty six going to the right. You know, that's that baseline is the low fifties. So he's got plenty of juice in his army was at the east west shrine game had a chance to see him there and talk to him a little bit. And I I like a lot of what he does as a mid route quarterback if you're gonna miss the boat on one of these early guys. Oh, come back to rip on days three. And I think you've got yourself at worst career backup. How about a couple of front seven guys on defense the linebacker from Houston? And Dante Russell from Auburn. So the Houston linebacker a Mickey Egbe Yele. I came back too late in the process. I watched him about two weeks ago, and he's really impressive. He he's versatile. They've rushed him off the edge. They use him in space in zone. Coverage a lot, and I was I came away from him as a guy who. Has athleticism? He has some length in his frame. And I was really impressed because this kind of versatility for guy who was very low on my watch list for linebackers was not expecting to get a guy who could ruin widely plays on coverage in the underneath. But also illustrated the abilities, stack blocks delighted scrimmage and showed some flexibility and Tilton his frame to be able to turn the corner on pass rushers s he's kinda slashing and all the edge. So he can do a lot of different things. He's a player for me as a fringe top one hundred players between seventy five and the one hundred on my personal board. So depending on how the teams are coveting his versatility if you'll comfortable if they feel like they can get more out of him from pass rush perspective. I personally would love to see him closer to go seventy five. But if there's questions about is he just coverage linebacker all all linebacker in a battle ball linebacker class. You know, okay. Then let's get him in the discussion at the end of the Serb around beginning. The fourth round. Dante Russell doesn't give you a lot in regards to pass rush. But I was really impressed watching him stack guys at the line of scrimmage. He's got power and his game. So he can collapse the pocket he'll give you enough. If you're running even fronts and you wanna play him over the seven as a one Techni ask him to kind of put that center back into the quarterback slap in obvious passing situations. He's very very powerful. I think he has the ability to do that. He's not often that I see nose tackle prospects. I think that's where he's best in the gaps who have enough athleticism that they can shed blocks scrape over top of blocks worked or hips over top guys is they're working down the line of scrimmage and still be able to challenge plays on outside run concept's. And and he has enough athleticism to do that. It's just a question of what is the value of that type of player? So he's kind of in that same value range on my personal rankings as zag uet was a seventy five to one hundred type player who depending on the team needs. And and how much team wants to implement whose skills would love to see him. Get the call there in the third round. Finally, let's get you. Another offense alignment before. We get to the guys that you hate, and they shouldn't even try to play football ever. Again. I'm kidding. No. But finally, let's get to another often to alignment, I know you like Eric McCoy. And it seems like I think he's going to go higher than people think I think a bunch of old line coach is like him. Yeah. The top. It's yours offense of line class in general has a lot of really like players and McCoy for me. He's right up there with bradberry and Chris Lindstrom as the top into your offense lineman in this year's class McCoy, I think is the most. Scheme diverse center, you know, gare- bradberry has ton of fanfare playing NC state. They ran a lot of outside zone and his his ass lettuce ISM. In those situations was just unbelievable. Mccoy's no slouch in that area. But I think his anchors better. I think he's better suited for teams that want to implement gap power type concepts and even inside zone where you have to steer guys with your hands a little bit more and and have a little bit heavier upper half to you versus Bradbury's guy. Who just does such a great job? He anchors late, but he's he's so good in lateral situation. So that's a scheme dependent thing for me. So you've got a team in the late first round that needs somebody to boost this interior offensive line. But they don't predominantly run outside zone. Makes a ton of sense for me. I think he's that good of a player. I think he's good in pass protection. He's pretty physically stout. He checks a lot of boxes for me. I think he's a really safe player. Well, I love it. A lot of people have said that I agree. I enjoyed watching him quite a bit taxation M's brought a lot of offense lineman out in recent years. Speaking of coming out if you haven't yet come on out to bed online dot AG, use the promo code podcast one. You get a chance to get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus to bet on the final four this weekend. If you'd like or there's some season win total numbers that are out there. You can look at my bracket, which is totally busted over it. But online that age you don't have a single final four team. So I'm not gonna win any money that I can give to you guys, but you can still win money going over to bed online dot AG and using that promo code podcast one Kyle I want to get to some of the guys that you're not as high on as the consent is. I think that's always interesting because you hear a lot of people say I'm higher on this guy. Hi on this guy. You don't hear maybe not as high on this guy? And one of them was getting a lot of love is safety. John Abram for Mississippi State. Abram was a player who I thought was a little bit more of a throwback to be honest with you, you know, twenty years ago. These prototypical strong safeties guys that are playing in the box and know filling in the run game, and there were five linebackers at certain times and certain down and distances. That's kind of what I thought Jonathan Abram was and he tested a little bit better than I thought he would as far as his raw athleticism. But I still think he wins inside of fifteen yards most predominantly, and I look at some of the other safeties in this year's class guys. Like Chauncey garner Johnson, and a Monte Hooker who have some man to man ability to to flex into the nickel and play man to man, they give you more scheme diversity. And I think that's just kind of pushed him down my position rankings a little bit because that's not an area that I personally would want to implement Abram as moving forward with my team. And I I don't think he has the ball skills in the deep portion to just play as. True single high safety. So I think he's just a little less diverse than some of the safeties that we've talked about that. I do really like in this year's class and that dropped him down my personal rankings. How 'bout cornerback rock? Yes. In from temple. What a great name first of. All right. Yes. Is in all it's a first round name. No question. And I saw him early this year. I was at the link when they play buffalo so coming into the year Tyree. Jackson the quarterback there. An Anthony Johnson the wide receiver there. They had some names. So that was the name that or a game that I had prioritized to go to and visit and part of that game. It was raining a little bit. And then the the sun came out and the the best player on the football field that day is far as what I watched live and in person was Rocky's in. And I said, okay, who the heck this guy we transferred over to temple late, and he's a great story. And he's got a great sound Dacian as a corner. So I know some of the colleagues in in the industry over at the NFL network are generally considering Rocky's in is a potential top thirty top forty selection. And I understand why. Because he's. Physical. He has been ball skills, but his ball skills. I think take a dip when his back is to the quarterback. And you see some instances of him when he realizes the ball is coming, but he's not able to track the football because he's face guarding his man, he panics, and I think he's a little too physical at the top routes. So those two situations I think it's just he's a little rough around the edges still, which is completely understandable. So if you want to draft him on the upside, that's where I think the value range and expectation of what the NFL network has kind of established for him will come into play. If you want to draft him what he could be then that's an appropriate value. But for me, he's just a little bit lower. Because ready made right now, I don't think he's quite there yet. He he needs to get more comfortable with his back to the football to not grab either the arm or the shoulder pad for the the way. Waistband and allow his hands to kind of pull that receiver back into him and get him into his comfort zone, which is where he's really on top of guys that the Catchpole. Help out some offense of guys running back. David Montgomery from Iowa State. Yeah. He's a guy. No. Some folks have is the potential Rb one in this year's class. And it's it's not a great running back class, first and foremost, so there you're gonna get a lot more very -bility as far as who guys. Like, it's it's just like these draft boards. Right. Thirty two teams. Kind of choose your flavor Montgomery has phenomenal contact. So he's one of these guys that he might catch a swing pass out of the backfield and have somebody who's broken on the play from ten yards rolling star. And they're going to drop their pads on them and they're going to bounce right off because my Gummer is built like an NFL running back. He's really thick. But my questions with Montgomery stem from you know, his vision is the ball carrier. And then I just don't think he's overly explosive. So those two things concern me because as he's coming out of the mesh coin a lot of times. He's not picking up where the available cuts are developing for him. So it slows him down as he gains tries to gain ground into the line of scrimmage in the point of attack. And then once he gets in those situations where his feet are now dead. He doesn't have a lot of spring to jump cut laterally or make the shallow cut and explode up field. So I think that really tempers down at waters down a lot of his valuable skills because I don't feel particularly comfortable with him running between the tackles and reliably finding the holes at the the quickness that he will need to to cater for some of his athletic. Limitations. What about Daniel Jones a quarterback lot of buzz about him as first round pick? Maybe the New York Giants. What didn't you like about Jones? So jones. I think his absolute ceiling is not as low as the quarterbacks in front of him. I think. His ceiling is a player is probably somewhere in the Alex Smith to Ryan tannehill range, which is fun. It's the starting quarterback in the pros. And he has this this David cut cliff bloodline that people are going to point to win. He gets drafted and talk about how that's so great. But the Duke offense was not the same offense running some of his other pro quarterbacks that are on his resumes. It's just not the same offense. And Daniel Jones, I thought it was more of a bowl distributor than a passer and a playmaker. So he really shined in the short stuff. Everything within ten yards was typically on time. It was accurate. But if you force him to eat the bowl in the longer, you ask them to hold the football. The worst results got as a passer in all phases of the field. As far as you know, when I studied film the deep ball. Accuracy was not great. When his I read is taken away from. And he has to kind of work through his progressions. The accuracy Wayne's the balls no longer coming out on time. And then on top of that his work within the pocket dealing with pass rushers. I don't think he has a natural feel for navigating the pocket and sliding to avoid pass rushers seem to many reps where he kind of drifts into the pathway of pass rusher. And I think that can be a really really troubling quality to help get you over the hump and get past as a pros pro quarterback in the NFL level. What about last guy Draymond Jones from Ohio State? Yeah. Dream on was the player who considered coming out in last year's class. Ultimately decided to come back and he had a productive year this year. But even just watching the film, I do not know what team is going to prefer to do with on Jones on anything other than third wall because he gets washed out of the point of attack. He gets pushed five yards off the ball against powerful. Offense of wine on the inside once their hands are set on. And he's a finesse player who's going to win it the next level strictly on. His first step quickness. And then you watch the film, and he's he's nimble. He gets off the ball. Well, but then he comes to the combine he he tests very poorly, and he does so a two hundred eighty one pounds. So I just he's a player. I think is more a little bit more of a Twitter. I don't have a defined role for him. He's not a player, I'm comfortable playing on first down seconds, unless it's second in ten or second and seven, plus he's going to be a pass rush specialist defensive tackle. But he's not as letting because we thought he was so that's a me is it's just a troubling kind of. I don't know what his best pathway for success in usages at the pro level. And he's one of the more fascinating players because he had a productive year. This year is a big school player. Kind of a household name as far as the players at his position, but he really underwhelming through the pre-draft process. And I had a lot of concerns on his film. As far as what do you do with him against the run? And what do you do with them? All I. Jonah check him out on Twitter. It's at grinding the tape. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #181: Mock Draft Madness 2019

Bolts from the Blue

1:05:05 hr | 2 years ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #181: Mock Draft Madness 2019

"Onto white mold Carter. This is the lightning round podcasts with your host Garrett sixty and Jamie oil charges. Go. Welcome everybody like around podcast. I am Garrett. Sixty of course, at gear sits on Twitter Jamie, of course, at lightning underscore around. You know, the deal we've been here for a while are v mock draft madness here, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it for those of you. That are new what we're going to do is first of all we're going to list are first-round grades all off season. We've talked about what players we thought deserved. A first round grade. We're going to break down our top, however, many first round grades. We've got I've got fourteen I think Jamie's got sixteen. Yep. So we'll break down our top guys at first round picks. And then we're going to do mock drafts. It's going to be four total. I'm going to do what I think the charges are gonna do Jamie's going to do a mock draft. We thinks charges will do. And then we're going to do our personal mock drafts, I will do one Jamie do one. So it truly is mock draft madness because we're doing four mock drafts. But before we get to that. And the first round. Picks. We got some news. And the last thing that happened before last time we had a podcast was Travis Benjamin signed an extension if you had to name one player, you thought it was going to get an extension this off season from the charge, Jamie. How far down was Chevron Benjamin on your list? He was not on the list. He was off completely was off. So they extended Travis Benjamin to one more year. They did I think I saw a lot of people freaking out about this on Tuesday morning. And I think it's important to point out kind of. The real reason for this extension and first of all I would say looking at this as an extension is kind of an over simplification of what actually happened. I think what you see here is the chargers decided and probably rightly so that they're not entirely comfortable with their wide receiver depth going into the offseason. So without knowing what's going to happen in the draft. Or after the draft they decided to keep a quote unquote veteran presence on the on the roster wide receiver. So I think that was the primary kind of driving force behind the quote, unquote extension. They gave. I also think that this was really obviously about cutting cost. I think those are the two the two primary driving factors was keeping some depth. So that they could kind of evaluate the young wide receivers. Jeremy Davis Arteta, Scott and Dylan Cantrell without too much pressure for them to produce. And they obviously still retain the right to make Travis Benjamin of a June oppose June one cut if he doesn't if he doesn't hack it in camp. But also they wanted to save some money so through giving him a two year extension with three million dollar guarantee. They wind up saving themselves, basically two and three quarter million dollars against the cap this year. So that's a pretty significant savings and because Benjamin was in the last year deal. They couldn't do it without extending him because there was nowhere for deferred money to go. So they gave him an extra deal. But it's basically are they gave an extra year excuse me. But it's basically an empty extra year. They kind of threw him aboard. On gave him a little bit more guaranteed money. But I think everybody here understands that Benjamin probably will not be on this roster in twenty twenty. They're obviously hoping the young receiver step up and fill the fill void. And that it gives them the opportunity to move on from Benjamin who has already lost his job as the primary kick and punt returner, and now sees himself falling further and further down, the the depth chart. So he will make believed the numbers three and three quarter million dollars this year total for a total savings of two and three quarter million dollars. So they get they get a discount. He'll fall down the depth chart. He will probably continue losing snaps. Probably will not be returning punts and kicks, and he will be one of the first guys to go during the twenty twenty offseason, at least, that's my guess. Yeah. So a lot of it was about creating cap space. I mean, they didn't want outright cut them. You were talking about keeping depth. They have a lot of young guys and tyrod Williams left. In free agency. So you know, you could say that they didn't want to sacrifice wide receiver depth. They create a cap space now, which means they could sign a player before the draft. Or after the draft. They got some flexibility and then next off season. They're able to cut him. They just added that kind of funny extra year, it's a year in theory. But it's not something that's gonna last he took the pay cut this year. So they can build some room on the roster. So while hearing extension sounds bad. What they did is they save themselves money without outright, cutting them still keeping him on the roster, and then able to just get rid of in twenty twenty the plan all along. But by giving of throwing them a bone like you mentioned and keeping him for twenty twenty though we all know he will not be there in two thousand twenty. Yeah, we talked about this early in the season. We said that it made sense financially for them to cut them. But with tyrod moving on and so much uncertainty surrounding the three guys behind Travis on the depth chart and Scott Cantrell. And Davis that we didn't think it was likely they'd cut him. Just because there wasn't a whole lot of veteran presence behind Keenan and Mike Williams. So make sense. You know, you you buy you buy some time maybe kick the can down the street a little bit on drafting a wide receiver by yourself a year. Save yourself some money creates and cap space and create a less stressful environment for some of these young guys to compete and camp. And who knows maybe still forced Benjamin off the roster. Because like I said they could still make him a post June one cut and without too much, you know, brain damage so to speak. I doubt they do that. But it's a possibility so Benjamin's theoretically here gives them some flexibility to next year and kinda in the draft. You know, they can maybe wait a couple rounds if they're comfortable with it. They've got some young guys. And of course, Benjamin could be gone before the season even start so not much to worry about there. So let's go ahead and get into our draft stuff. And let's talk about our first round picks because we've been doing it all off season long. We've been talking about who we think deserves first round picks. And if you're new here we never ever have ever had thirty two guys with first round picks. So so now this year again, we do not have thirty two picks. I've got fourteen you've got sixteen Jamie. Let's go down the list. I don't know if you wanna go sixteen to one or one to sixteen but give me the players in order that deserve a first round pick in two thousand eighteen draft class also from the bottom and work my way up, but I I do think when you disclaimer here, and that we did not at least I didn't watch any interior linemen. And I don't know if you did did you watch an interior office of Lyman. No, no, I did not eat. So that's to entire position groups that aren't even included in this. I think we need to point that out. Right. Yeah. Because gear Bradbury's a popular name that a lot of guys are talking about in the first round didn't even watch them. And I know you didn't either. So. Yeah. No guards or centers just tackles that we watched. Right. So of the guys we've watched let's start with sixteen move your way up to one. I guess I have fifteen excuse me. All right, so I- fifteen total players, Cody Ford is number fifteen ninety JJ or Sega Whiteside. Number fourteen with ninety at all over is number thirteen with ninety. Devon, white is number twelve with a ninety one day. Andre Baker number eleven with ninety one. Byron Murphy is a number ten at number ten with ninety two. Cianci garter Johnson is number nine with ninety two Devon Bush number eight with ninety two my number seven overall players Juwan Taylor with ninety two. My number six overall player is David Montgomery with ninety three. My number five. Overall player is Joan Williams with ninety three. My number four overall player is. Linin Williams with ninety three. My number three overall player is Josh Allen ninety four and my top two guys are Andre Dillard with ninety five and Nick Bosa with a ninety six. All right. So I've got fourteen you've got one more than I do. David Montgomery, JJ are segue side to names, you do not see in the first round. So I give you props on that number fourteen is Christian Wilkins with a ninety at thirteen Cody Ford with a ninety never twelve is Noah fan the tied in with ninety one the edge player. Brian burns is number eleven with a ninety one number ten is Devon Bush the linebacker Michigan with ninety one. Minor nine is also chancy Gardner Johnson. The safety of Florida with a ninety two number eight is the other. I wha tight end TJ Hawkins with a ninety two at seven at all of our made it with a ninety two at six to cornerback. Byron Murphy with the ninety three at five Devon white with ninety. Three at number four. I've got tackled Jona Williams with a ninety four at number three got jaune Taylor with a ninety five and number two of got Quinton Williams with the ninety five and my number one overall prospect same as yours for the same number. It is the edge player Nick Bosa with a ninety six. So there we go. Those are the top guys. Give me your top five. So I've got Bosa Quinta Williams John Taylor, Jona Williams and Devon white for my top five Wichita five Nick Bosa, Nick Boza under a Diller. Josh Allen, Joan Williams and Quinn Williams. Okay. Are so you ready to get in this mock draft. I think we're about ready yet. Let's do it. All right. So this is going to be the chargers heavy mock draft. This is what I think the church are going to do at number twenty eight and so on for seven rounds, and we'll go ahead and get started. And this isn't what I would do. But I think what Tom let's go is going to do. So following. A twenty eight of already got it. And I am on the clock. So guys that are available. You've got drew lock available. You've got Jonathan Abrams safety at Mississippi State AG Brown, the wide receiver is available Jerry Tillery as they're the one guy that I know they're going to take is there, and it is the offensive tackle of Kansas state. Don't reisner so all the top four tackles have been taken. And I think the chargers and up going reisner. He's going to be the right tackle right away. You can kick inside to play guard or center, you know, he's got the accolades was the two thousand eighteen big twelve offense lineman of the year smart kid with durability. We talked about the last podcast. He's never missed a game. This to me is just so chargers. I think the team is hyper focused on tackling this year and impasse Schrafft's. They put a lot of value on offense of line hasn't quite worked out that well, but nonetheless, it's kind of the draft mentality. So it's all the same. I think the chargers go. Don't reisner in the first round to assure. They don't have to reach tackle later is just kind of that. You know, they did it with these fluker. They even did it with hunter Henry, you know, there was one one or two good tight ends in that class, and they reached up and grabbed Henry in the second round just so they don't have to worry about it later. And I think they do that here with reisner. He's got the versatility. This is a Lesko guy. I've got taken don't reisner at twenty eight. All right moving on to the second round. And let's talk about some of the people that are available in wide receivers Emmanuel halls available sham. Bunting popular corner is available want Thornhill. Darnell savage is available. Yanni just is available. Interesting. He's usually not there in the second round j Sturm burger if they were looking for a tight end, Joe Giles Harris is there. But I see the guy that I know they're going to take because I know I know what these are going to be even I've never been right. On this. In the second round. They're gonna take the defensive tackles Draymond Jones at Ohio State. Now. He's obviously smaller detectable. I think he's six three to eighty five. But that's kind of that Damian square profile little undersize, but Jones is definitely different player. Another versatile. Linemen lineup multiple spots. He can pass rush from the inside. This is just kind of that chargers type of pick where you get a probably more of a third round player. But because he's from Ohio State as a ton of production kind of outweighs at all the team gets their defense of tackle. It's a big need high character guy. So I think they end up going with dream on Jones in the second round. How are you feeling so far with reisner Jones? They sound like to Lesko picks. We talked at length about reisner on the last episode. I think it makes sense on some levels. I think it's a little bit of a region some levels. But you know, if you're dead set on getting a tackle. And you're choosing between him and Yanni just in the first round. Then you gotta take you gotta take reisner. I think you know, it as long as you understand that you might have to kick him inside. And you're comfortable with that. Then taking you know, a kind of a tween offense lineman who can play inside and outside gives him some versatility and some lettuces, and I think that makes sense and dream on Jones. I mean, he's that three tack that they've been rumored to have been telling people they're looking for, you know, they there was talk that they talked to what was his name Jared Ledbetter. Yup. From from Georgia and told him, you know, we're good at edge. Can you play the three tech Jones make sense? And he's a good pass rush. He's disruptive. He gets up field in a hurry. And I've seen him mock in the first round so getting him at the end of the second round. I think I'm actually a lot more comfortable with. I would not be happy with it. If it was the first round pick but getting him at sixty. I think a lot more comfortable with. I think I had a mid to late second rate on him. So I'd be I'd be not like over the moon excited about those picks. But I did with them. All right. So those are the two pick so far reisner Jones. They've got their tackling got their interior defensive linemen. And let's talk about who's available here. So Rennell ran is available. We were got are in interior defensive linemen. I don't think they go back to back here. They've got Kelvin Harmon JJ or Sega Whiteside is available. David Montgomery, your first round pick still available here in the third round. They've got Jamal Deen. There is Kaelin Saunders. Still available Tyree Jackson is there. But you know, what I think they go a little sideways here. Least a little bit against the grain. They're going to pick. The titan Dawson knocks at ole miss have a feeling the chargers jump a little bit early on tight end this year hundred Henry's coming up on a new contract soon hasn't played sixteen games in his career. When he's healthy. He is all the tied in one you need. But this is a guy that's more of a projection because he was so criminally under utilized at ole miss. We kind of talked about tight end podcast. He would be a perfect tied into right away. He's got a real shot at being a borderline tied in one. I think chargeable love him because Knox is such a good two nations. Blocker. And that's what kind of turn them about hunter Henry, you wouldn't have to take hunter Henry or dossier knocks off the field. They keep on all three downs. Even though this is a little off script here. I think they jump on DASA knocks. They get a talented pass catcher needs a little bit of refinement because we don't know exactly what he is. Because he didn't get a lot of chances. Ole miss because there's a lot of mouths to feed their and that offense of system but early on tied into you got to a really good chance of being tied in one vertical threat and a really nasty blocker. This is a charger player. They're taking Dawson knocks at old miss in the third round interesting. I like Knox lot. It feels a little early for him. I think he's more of a fourth round pick. But I could see it. I think he's a guy who could certainly play up to that third round level. And I think you're right. I think he's a guy who could stay on the field for a long time. And he's that tight end to they've been missing that can contribute on special teams too. So I think he makes a lot of sense for them. And that's Bod. And that does kind of feel like a pick that the two Lesko might make. And it seems like always third round they reach oh just a little bit there. But you know, after that, it was a lease max and Isaac wanna and I'm not sure they would have taken a shot. There was just you know, a player that you gotta grab he's by far the best tight end at that spot worth noting. No linebackers for the first three rounds. No linebackers. Nope. Not yet. We'll get there, Jamie. We'll get there. And I think you know, who I think they're gonna pick. Because I think you think the same guy let's go around around four and at four let's talk about some of the. Guys that are there. We've got miles boykin the wide receiver. We've got Rodney Anderson the running back, we got max Scharping out note. He went to pick before. Oh, it's still going. Okay. Well, now's the okay. That was the guy was definitely gonna consider their Scharping's gone. Okay. Then at linebacker just because you mentioned it David long as they're on Connie's their corners, KENDALL, Sheffield Hampshire vers. That's a first round name if overheard one and he's up there with rocky Cinna this class, probably the top two names. Okay. So I know who they're taking here in the fourth round. And it is a guy that the charges were at the pro day. They've been linked to this, man. It is the office of tackled Chuma Adoga at a USC. I think they take some tackle insurance in this draft there, he took reisner, but. You know, his stock rose at the senior bowl. He asked him experience both left and right tackle move spring. Nice for guy his size ready run blocker his pass balking needs some real real help. So I think the charges. Take a swing here on developmental project has some good movement. He's got ideal size. He's really gonna need some work. So this is a guy they're grooming for the future. They double dip in tackles. Because boy do they need off. It's of line help and they needed a double dip, and they do here and they take when early they took one of the first round the fourth. You got don't reisner Chuma Adoga. I gotta learn how to say his name because they'll draft him really linked to this guy that at the pro day seen his name bunch. Yeah. I think they were there for Dogo and the guy you're probably gonna take the fifth or sixth round here in a little bit. Taking you take him here. When he started talking about the US pro day, but you did a little end around on me. Yeah. It makes sense. Not a great tackle class. But they have been linked to him. And he's a guy who could at least give them some insurance if not develop into a right tackle. So make some sense on paper. Yeah. And we don't want to bury the lead and say who's going to become an up here soon. And I think that might be in the next two rounds, but adobe, and then that other player USC feels like you're Jenin Awo. Sue everybody kept talking about China Wilson, the second round we're going how they never leak anything. We never hear anything about picks in the future. And they kept linking Channa. The chargers kept linking Chennai. And then of course, it took them around. Exactly where everybody said. So there are some leak in that building. But let's go ahead and move onto round five. Let's talk about some of the guys that are there. All right. So the chargers got tight end. They don't need any more tackles. They've got to ready. They already went interior defense of linemen. But are on walks is still available as Ahah bugs is still available safety. It was definitely a need. This look at corner ham Cheever's is still there. Donna Lewis junior Jimmy Moreland. So I think they're going to go safety here. A looks like the linebacker were kind of hinting at still down there in the board. So I don't think they quite reach quite yet. So they're going to take a safety and the oh, yeah. Okay. I like this. All right. So the pick that they make around five safety another safety at a Miami, just like racial Jenkins a guy that kind of reminded me of him Chauvet, red wine. They rate it. They waited 'til around five to take their safety. They need a free safety in the worst way one of their top three needs. But again, let's go doesn't really value safeties. He wasteful fifth round. I think you know, they feel safe because a racial Jenkins. And maybe Jaylen Watkins, so they waited a little bit about themselves from insurance. So they take Sheldrick red wine in the fifth round another safety at a Miami played corner played safety, Scott, some real tackling issues. He could run and cover if I'm not mistaken. He ran in the four fours thing at a four four forty time at the combine this feels like a lot of the safety guys that Gus Bradley likes could serve as potential free free safety option also serve as a box safety and some cornerback. Definitely got some versatility. I say they take Sheldrick red wine here in round five. And let's go ahead and stop this run. Because I can't wait any longer. I've gotta take my guy. And let's just talk about who's available quarterbacks Ryan finley's their east and stick is they're running back isn't really an issue. So I'm not even look at running back wide receiver Gary Jennings, junior hunter Renfro talk about interior defense lime in Isaiah bug. So arm on watts gone corner. Jimmy Morlin is still there. But we're going to stop this slide right now, and we're gonna take the linebacker came. Marin Smith at a U S C. You know, Jamie knows it. This is a player cut from let's goes clock. He's a former captain at USC worked for the charters coaches even dot com wrote this big draft profile on him. He was a mainstay on the USC defense for four years produced every year was steady good instincts. Pretty good football IQ. But a limited athlete serve as that backup. Mike behind Denzel Perryman, and I feel really good about the team making this pick. I don't really like Cam very much, but I liked. Let's go making this pick. They're going to pick him. Yeah. His agai you were going to look for in the two. Let's go charter draft yet. And I wouldn't be surprised to take him earlier. You took him in the sixth. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I could see him. He feels like. What's the kid's name from Ohio State that washed out? Oh, Josh Perry. Feels like Joshua Perry pick where they take like two to three rounds too early just because they have to have him. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him go as early as the fourth round. And it wouldn't surprise me. If they see him as more than a backup. I think he's played some in the middle. He's played some on the edge. Keep dropped a lot of weight for his senior year this year. So that you could run around and be a little bit more athletic. He does make some plays. I they're definitely gonna take them. No doubt in my mind. And I doubt that I doubt they can control themselves contain themselves until the six round the take them. I think it's in the fourth or fifth round personally. But it's definitely gonna happen. Yeah. And you know, much like that Joshua Perry pick they got joy both in the for later got Joshua Perry. Now, they got a dope in the fourth. I think it was if I went back, and then grabbed another USC player camera Smith, so grab another teammate they're happy and they're in the locker room together. So we're going to wrap up this draft. I've got round seven all queued up here quarterback. Yeah. You're looking at eastern stick as your next best quarterback wide receiver run froze gone. So you got Anthony Ratliff Williams left tight ends thirty taking care of office tackles taken care of I'm gonna pass on guard here. Nick Linders available. I'm not taking them. No schrief Miller. Johnson Ledbetter, man. We mentioned earlier is there. Oh, okay. The guy that I'm gonna take here is actually. A corner. And it's the corner from Alabama Savion Smith another guy that I've kinda thought the chargers might take a chance on this is like last year they picked up Tony Brown from Alabama. They got Chris Davis. A few years back. They like their big school corners. They were all there were both undrafted free agents. But the kinda like to take shots at corners in big programs. So this is the guy that they pick much like picking up Tony Brown. Chris davis. Take a stab at a big program corner in Savion Smith, the five star recruit went to LSU had to go the Juku route got picked up by Alabama. He's got really good size offer. Some upside of the press corner, anticipation wasn't very good technical refinement wasn't very good. That's also a working progress, but a developmental corner in that group that could use some depth. So they take a chance on Sadie on Smith and that wraps up my draft. So let's go ahead and list off. We got here in round one. It is the offense tackle dlt reisner out of Kansas state in round two. They picked the defensive tackle dream on Jones at of Ohio State in round three. They just recent grabbed a tight end Dawson knocks at ole miss. They wanted their tied into with some upside at round four they grab their US to tackle Chuma Adoga. I still remember how to say his name since they're picking him in round five. They got the safety of Miami Sheldrick red wine in six they got the linebacker Cam Smith at USC round seven. They took a shot on the Alabama corner. Savion Smith that wraps up my Lesko draft, Jamie. It is your turn everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor deter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. 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By the way, Daniel Jones is on the board at eighteen and Caleb. Gary's on the board. Should be. They both should be Jamie does. No, I'm no, I think in this in this particular case, this is a lot like the situation that you're in Garrett risers on the board. The the top two linebackers gone MAC Wilson is sitting there and they do seem to like their linebackers with big school big college big game experience. But I don't think they take a linebacker this early. There really isn't another position in my opinion. You've got this'll piss him fans off, but Jerry Tillery there and Jeffrey Simmons is there. I don't think they take either one of those guys even though they're very enticing. And either one of those guys would be eligible to come off the board and either one of our what we would do drafts. But this is not what we would do. This is what Tom Lesko would do. So like you. I'm going to go with Dalton reisner the offense tackle slash interior linemen from Kansas state. I just feel like there's too big of a drop off after him. And by the time, we get around to sixty you're looking at taking Caleb mcgarry juice guys like that. And I'm just not interested. So I'm gonna go ahead and get reisner and we'll see who's on. On the board when we're when we get on the clock at sixty here. Yeah. I mean that he just seems like the guy just more leaning towards rice. You're by the day, the more you do these mock drafts, the more you see that most of the office of tackles are gone top four at least with Ford Williams, Dillard and Taylor there always gone interior defensive linemen is skinny at that point so rice or just seems like the pic. So obviously, we agree there. He took reisner in one. Yep. I just think it makes too much sense. So we've addressed the FM tackle position charter still have pressing needs at safety linebacker defensive tackle. You could also argue that needed tight end than along the interior line. Still too early for a quarterback if they're looking that way guys that are on the board right now in the second round. We've got a Charlie Charles Amena who dream aunt Joan's, Renault, Ren. So MAC Wilson's off the board. There really isn't in my opinion linebacker worthy of being taken the second round here. So I'm not even thinking about at this point safety. You've got Darnall savage one Thornhill Deontay Thompson Amani Hooker all sitting there on in the second round in this particular case, I think we're looking at a defensive tackle. And I think it's somebody different from who Garrett took. They've been linked to this person quite a bit. They were at his pro day, reportedly they stay close to him evaluated carefully met with him afterwards. I think they take defensive tackle Renault Ren out of Arizona state. And I think they do that because they see him as a long term replacement for Brandon me bane. He he's primarily a one technique. I think he can play three technique if they ask him to he certainly Atlantic enough. He's a guy who moves bodies clogs lanes. But also makes plays on the interior. All you gotta do is watches Michigan state game from this year where he basically dominated the second and third quarters of that game. And you see what he's capable of. It's not a consistent thing for him. But I think they take him thinking they can make him consistent with some development. So I think so far we've got Dalton reisner and Rennell Ren in the first two rounds. How you feel about that? Well, let's seems early for me for Ren. I understand the player that's a round maybe. To we'll probably around early for him getting him in the second round is a stretch for me. I get the player I understand it. Because he's a guy would target and round three and four. But man, picking Brennan the second is a little rich. Yeah. I think it's a little early. I'd prefer him in the third or fourth round two. I'm not sure he'll be there in the third or fourth round. It seems like he's kind of moving upwards a little bit. So I feel like he's a guy that they just look at and they think they just need him. They need to grab them now before he comes off the board. So now, we're looking at positions. I think you gotta look at safety linebacker tight end possibly back offense tackle again. So guys that are on the board right now. If you're looking at offense tackle max Scharping is air Chuma Dogo there. Bobby Evans, if you're looking at tight end. Nobody were taking this early as their Cali wearing who I didn't even watch. Josh all over not that familiar with Eliza Mack. I did watch. I think it's a little early for him. You could maybe make an argument for cadence Smith, but still a little early Isaac now to still little early foster moros still little early. So I'm passing on tight end here. Even though I think they need it. I think Tom to probably thinks he can wait and get somebody a little bit later. I think this feels like a spot where they were probably looking for a linebacker. It's a desperate need. They've talked about it being a a an area of focus for them. And it hasn't really changed all that much aside from the addition of Thomas Davis Thomas Davis. So I think this is a spot where they'd take somebody that they think can maybe grow into the long-term two to three down Mike linebacker role in this guy. Just feels like he just feels like he makes sense for them because he's smart. He's a thumper. It just feels like a chargers picked to me. So the chargers take Jo Giles Harris in the third round to play middle linebacker. See I thought you were gonna say Cam Smith there. But then when you said, he's smart, he's thumper. I was like, oh, wait a minute. Who's that? No too early. So how you feeling about the first three rounds so far? Well, I don't love Jo Giles Harris there. Ronel Wren was a reach and reisner is just fine. So I'm not loving, the straps. So far, I'm understanding it. I think John Harris is a Mike at the next level can win at the line of scrimmage like his instincts can help out in the run game. He's pretty good zone. But you know, I think he lacks some speed. And I guess is about where a graded him out of low third round great on him. If I remember correctly, you know, a guy that we're lower on than most. But I guess where you slot them here. Because a lot of people were mocking them in the second round seems like a charger guy. I mean, he was really productive at Duke. So yeah, he makes sense for sure for two Lesko. All right. So we are on the board here in the fourth round still with needs at tight end offense attack. Michael interior offensive line safety. You could even make an argument for another interior defensive linemen. So looking at guys who were on the board here Chuma Adoga as off the board. We still got is Ahah prince on the board. Bobby Evans, Tyler Romer. Nobody really to exciting offense tackle at this point. Tight ends cadence. Smith is now to foster Moro, all they're all solid possibilities here in the fourth round all providing receiving options and guys who can block. On the interior defensive tackles, Dante vs. Russell terry. Beck ner. Chris Layton arm on watts feel like it's still a little bit too early for all these guys if the charges do double-dip safety, Mike bell, Mike Edwards, marville tell not a whole lot of real exciting options here in the fourth round. I feel like this is a good spot for a tight end. I think the chargers probably agree. So I think the chargers go with cadence Smith the tight end out of Stanford in the fourth round makes sense. That's definitely a guy I'm targeting around their little raw the blocking could use some work. But obviously a tied in early on has some tied in one upside for sure a really good traffic true vertical threat. I like Hayden Smith. He makes sense there that might be one of my favorite picks in terms of value. And. Verse talent there. So I'm actually good with that pick. All right. So let's take a look at see who's still hanging around here. Because right now, you've got don't rise her in the first Renault ran the defense tackle in to Joe Giles hair, salon background Duke at three and then you grabbed cadence Smith at a Stanford the tight end at four. So let's see here we have just kind of looking around here. We've got DeMarcus lodge the wide receiver at Mississippi stolen, the board. Nothing too exciting ofensive tackle at this point. Michael dog, bud defensive tackle really a lot of guys. It's too early for a lot of these guys more than likely the chargers probably feel like they've got their guy defensive tackle. And they're going to move on. We're in the fifth round here. There's not a whole lot left that's surefire contributors. So I think the chargers are going to go with the linebacker. We talked about I think they'd double dip it linebacker. I think this is where they get Cameron Smith. Wow. Wow. They're going to double dip. They haven't double dipped on offense attack or defense tackle, which are going to need to do in the draft. They doubled it on linebacker. I think so I think they get two guys. They're really high on guys that they think can be playmakers and really help the middle of the defense. I gotta tell you. I don't like it. I know your time to let's go, but yeah, I'm not trying to make you happy here. No, you're just being Tom to let's go, and you know, with Kaiser white re-signing, Denzel Perryman re-signing injury Phillips is gonna take over that linebacker safety role signing Thomas Davis having to tapes Brownsville around getting a linebacker. Sure. Joe Childs Harrison, the third make sense governed Cam Smith because you got a man crush on them not so much in the fifth. I'm not a fan of that one. And there's been some reaches and stuff, but in terms of value position. I don't understand it to be honest with you. That's just another extra by. I think you're just kind of looking at it from the standpoint of or the chargers are looking at it from the standpoint of. You're probably going to be looking towards moving on from both Denzel paramount and Thomas Davis after this year. So you're kind of naked in the middle of the field unless you're thinking you're going to move KYW's your white over to the Mike linebacker Phillips of one year deal tapes Brown one he'll Brown's almost up. So there's a lot of transition going on. So they need to kind of solidify the middle of the field. And I just feel like I think both Jo Giles Harris in Cam Smith. Make a lot of sense chargers picks. I just think those guys are going to really like they might like it. But I don't but who's asking much like I said, I'm not trying to make you happy. So let's see here. We're looking hopefully at a safety at some point. We're looking maybe for a developmental offensive tackle, maybe a wide receiver chargers. Definitely need help it wide receiver. Ooh, there's a guy that I think makes a lot of sense for them guy that I like, I know a guy that you like, and I think he makes sense for the chargers in terms of the mole that they look for and wide receivers were here in the sixth round. I think they take Anthony Johnson out of buffalo definitely targeting canes. Smith in the fourth. I'm definitely targeting Anthony Johnson and six I love those players in that position. So two very good picks, especially where they're at. I love both those and the rest, you hate rice ner is what it is. I'm fine with it ran I I like the player. So you got them maybe around early fine. I like them Joe Giles Harris, I'm not as high on. But when you get them in the third it's about where you should get them. Cadence myth is great in four. Anthony Johnson's great and six Cam Smith and the fifth still I'm not happy about. So this is a teen is still needs some safety help. They may not think they need safety help. So they may not be prioritizing too early. But there's some guys here that might be good fits for them on the board at safety. Not a whole lot exciting here. I think they go with saquon Thompson out of Rutgers. So that is the end of my picks and a Thom Tillis goes picks, I should say, and we wind up with thought reisner Renault Ren Jo Giles Harrison third round cadence myth in the fourth Cameron Smith in the fifth. Anthony Johnson in the sixth and saquon Hampton at of Rutgers the safety in the seventh. All right. Well, clear that board started all over. Let's have some fun. You do your draft. I will do mine. So while the resetting hit us up on Twitter guys, let us know which Lesko draft you like better. And then tell us what you think is more of a two Lesko draft, my drafter Jamie's draft, which one would you be the most happy with my draft mytalk oh draft or my Jamie draft. And then. Then after we're done with everything just tell us you like better because I'm curious. Let's see how this goes. All right. So I'm on the board at twenty eight. Oh, I like this. I like this a lot. Okay. So available players at the moment, we have Daniel Jones Christian Wilkins who Garrett bradberry hockey Butler Chauncey Gardner Johnson's there Nazir Adler is there reisner is there. Jerry Tillery is there. Let's just say that if Christian Wilkins is on the board at twenty eight the chargers better sprint to that phone and make that hit. So I know I am taking Christian Wilkins at twenty eight. And I'm just going to end my draft now because I win. Yeah. It's the perfect start. And it's the perfect fit. It is exactly what to let's go would do if he's there, and this is Jamie draft and people are always like, well if he's on the board they should run that card up to the podium. They don't do that. They're not in the room. They have a Representative there. But it's not like to Lesko sitting in the back, and then he walks up to del. That's not how that works. Get on the phone you call them. And then you you put the Pickin nobody's running anywhere. Damn at just just go ahead and ruin my my image. They're them sprinting to the podium. Oh, no. I mean, you know, run to the phone. Call right away as soon as he sees vailable. But you know, you can't sprint the car to Goodell. All right. So we have Christian Wilkins at twenty eight in the first round. We are now on the board at sixty the charters are on the board at sixty just going through some positions of need. We have Titus Howard and yada nica juiced of on the board here in the second round ca juiced, certainly make some sense at the. And the second round. I had a late. Second raid on him tight ends. Jay stern burgers there. My guy. Dax Raymond Dawson knocks interior defensive line dream on Jones is still on the board. No, Ren Kaelin Saunders. But they just went interior defensive lines. I don't think that's where they're looking. There is nothing but crap on the board at linebacker. So they're going to pass it linebacker, Sean bunting, Trayvon Molin, David long. Isaiah johnson. Joe one Williams all on the board corner at safety Deontay Thomson. Amani Hooker to Kwan Johnson marquees player. Yeah. I think I know what I'm gonna do here. So with the Thompson on the board. I had a mid second round grade on him. Some people have great as high as the first round he has some development to do. I think there are some, you know, instinctual issues with him most of which can probably probably be corrected with more playing time. And and some film some film study. But he just seems like the perfect athl-. Compliment to Derwin James safety. And it's a huge position of need for the chargers. This is where this is where I'm going with my second round pick at sixty. I take Alabama safety Deontay Thompson. And I'm just going to end my mock draft now. I don't even need to make the next five picks. I'm done. You did that after pick one. What if the next one's good too? You don't know that? Yeah. No thompsons. I love the target here in the second. I think there's since you've already done the first two rounds. I think there are. I think second round is your safety target. There's going to be guys like John Thompson, Darnall savage want Thornhill. There's gonna be a lot of good safeties there and though Cianci Gardner Johnson. Is you know, both of our safety ones to drop off between them. And then the next cluster of guys is in the big cliff like the rest of the guys like the offense of tackles or the defensive lineman. There are a bigger cliff especially on the offense tackles, which I don't mean to scare you here because you haven't gone one yet. But you know, once you pass on ca just in the second round here going to be in trouble here. So good luck in round three on offense tackles, and but the Thompson perfect pick. I love the complimented of him and Derwin. He's definitely guy I'm targeting around too. So I might be drafting a lot like part of telescopes draft and a part of yours so looking through positions of need here. Still not a lot of linebackers at I'm in a rush to take looking at -fensive tackle, I still have Titus Howard in Yod nica just on the board. You're kidding. At the bottom of three autumn of three you cheated. I admittedly only saw part of one game of Titus Howard. But I feel like there's a steel here in unique just in the at the bottom of three. So I'm taking Yanni just so I have addressed defensive tackle safety offense of tackle in the first three rounds. All with guys who were projected to be picked in the first two rounds. Yeah. Love for him to be groomed behind, you know, maybe eventual Russell Kun replacement will fight for that starter role at right tackle, you know, twenty eight is rich round to is about where I had him at a low second grade eighty one if I'm not mistaken sloughs about where I was comfortable taking him. When he folded the third. You've definitely gotta steal potential left tackle play, right? Tackle. I think you know. This is a great pick here too. So now, I'm kind of on the hunt for a couple of positions. I would be looking possibly a double dip it offense of tackle possibly to double dip defense tackle. And I'd also be looking at linebacker tight end. So just kind of looking at how things are shaping up looking at linebacker. I've got David long tailed on Coney Germain Pratt. All there. These are all guys that I had graded in the third or fourth round range. So they all make sense here. I've got a LIZA Mack. It's the fourth round. It's a little early for him. Cadence myth is there is now to foster Moro all guys that I like corner Corey Valentine, Mark Fields KENDALL Sheffield defensive tackle. Dale and MAC Kingsley. Kiki Dante vs. Russell chris. Layton arm on watts. Not really ready to double dip there yet to dove is still on the board here the offense attack Lada USC, so I'm kinda tempted here to go on linebacker offense. Tackle tight end. I really feel like I should go offense of tackle. But it's just not fun enough. I'm gonna go with Kate and Smith in the fourth round. I just really like him. Oh me too. I hope we don't have three mock drafts with Kate and Smith in the fourth round because I love them. They're just makes too much too much sense in the fourth round. Yeah. All right. I'm on the board in the fourth round possibly looking double dip it offense or at defensive tackle still need of a linebacker still possibly need a double dipping it offensive tackle. So those are the three positions. I'm really looking for the most value at but see here so linebacker Gary Johnson, Texas chase Hanson at a Utah Cameron Smith's on the board. And I'm not interested in Cameron Smith. So. So I'm going to pass on camera Smith but a pass on linebacker for now. So that kinda narrows it down for me. Let's take a look at tackle still kinda early frost tackles, you're in the fifth round. I know, but don't see anybody that I feel like I have to get. So there is a guy here that I really like he was one of my sleepers. He feels a position of need it might be a little bit early. But I feel like he's a guy who's going to outplay his draft position. So I'm taking arm on watts in the fifth round Hobo. Yeah. Man. So while you're there, I mean in round four Cain Smith is a guy. I'm looking at round five arm on walks is guy. I'm looking at round six Anthony Johnson's the guy I'm looking at. So you've you've hit them all those are good spots for all those guys like those rounds. So let's see what you do here in six then. All right. I'm on the board and the six let's take a look at wide receiver. There is Anthony Johnson offensive tackle. Nobody that I really recognize feel like I have to get linebacker. I'm torn I'm torn here between Anthony Johnson and just say to two. Fayezah at of a university of Texas San Antonio linebacker. Both guys I think offer a lot of value here. Both guys at positions of need. Both guys. I think kind of fit players they're kind of players that I think the charters would be looking for in these spots. I think I can wait onto a fair. So I'm going to go ahead and take Anthony Johnson here in the sixth. He was one of my wide receiver sleepers love the speed love the size. The hands are great. He's a guy who's just tough to cover. He's kind of a bully wide receiver, which I love I think he's a guy who really fits in well with the existing receiving core in hopefully, taking him expedites the exit of one Travis Benjamin. So that's taking cool. Maybe we should have done this together. Then. Maybe we can do that next year. Our last pick here Christian Wilkins, Deontay Thompson Yanni adjust cadence myth arm on watts. Anthony Johnson in round seven and just si- it to fair of university, Texas, San Antonio, the linebacker guy who just runs all over the field makes plays all over the place. All right. So that does it for his seven all go ahead and burn through mine. Real quick. I know we're running along here. So I'm gonna make it quick. 'cause we've kind of all talked about this stuff already. All right. So hope dude. We might have a competition for best picket number twenty eight didn't all over fall. No, Daniel Jones came Butler zero early Jerry Tila resolve there, but you know, who's still there. It's not Christian Wilkins its office of tackle, Cody Ford at Oklahoma nice size athleticism, power NFL, ready. Right tackle. I mean, I saw enough from him. I'm we talked about the tackle podcast, but I saw enough from him this loan year that he's just scratching the surface versatility play guard. He'll be very good as guard. This is the best player available. My office of tackle three behind Taylor and John Williams. Perfect pick perfect fit. Who would you rather take Christian Wilkins or Cody for Jamie? I mean, he can't lose with either there as I choose I would take bookings because I haven't graded higher on my board. And I think you too, but. Actually, wait. Now. I don't know. I don't know Wilkins's my last now, I've got four grade one point higher. But I'd still take Wilkins. I think really I think so I think so I think it'd be close it'd be a tough call. But I just think that they've been without a quality defensive tackle for so long that I just think it has to happen in focus is on the board. There's just no other option. Okay. But I do like that pick. They're both days very happy with that pick. I would like Cody Ford over Christian Wilkens. That's just me though. So then around to not quite looking to white receivers to tackle. I already got. So I'm not looking there either interior defensive line Charles Amena who Andrew mon- Jones or their Ronel, Ren Kaelin Saunders. All there. Of course. I wanna go safety here. Say I talked about earlier safety is dang, man. Okay. So how it was going to go want Thornhill here. But he's gone. The guys that are available Taylor rap in money. Hooker and deonte Thompson. I think Hooker and wrap are more strong safeties and free safeties. And I don't want to run into that problem again. And as much as I hate to do it you and I are going to have the same second round pick. But this is my draft. This is what I would do here. I would pick the Thompson we talked about. What a great pairing us would be. Yeah, I've seen people wanting to take Taylor rap in the first round for the charters. And I I don't get it. I think he's a good football player. But I just think he's too. He's too redundant. In terms of his skill set. He's a kind of a poor man's Derwin. James more of a nickel linebacker strong safety type not really fast enough athletic enough to play that deep safety role. I know I've seen some people say you just take the best player and stick him out there. But I just I don't think he suited to that. Particularly on the charter system where he's the only guy back there. Yeah. No. I think he's got the lack of top end system that you just don't want on the back end. And he's not very good silent sideline. You want him as closely as possible and. And when they played him a free safety is when he did not look good. And I think that's part of the why part of the reason why he's not a first round player to me when they played him at a free safety. He just dropped down to my grade. So I'm not taking Taylor rap because you know, you've got a much better player near the line of scrimmage, and then you've got guys like Adrian Phillips were roaming around. And you've got another hybrid KYW's. Your winds playing linebacker used to be a safety plan that spur position at West Virginia. I don't I don't think you need to take Taylor raptor. And I don't think it's a very good fit. Good player. Not a guy. I'm taking the first round. But in the second round he'd make sense there for another team. Just not with the chargers. So moving onto the third round. It's talk about some guys that I'm looking at here wide receiver. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. All right. We'll go back to receiver in just a second tight end. Josh Oliver cadence Smith, I'm gonna wait their interior defensive line, tristen hill, Kaelin Saunders, Gerald Willis. Let's go back to receiver for one minute. Okay. This is this is my draft. Right. I can do throw curve ball. I think I'm gonna throw curveball here. I'm gonna take don't hang it. All right. I'm not gonna hang you here. Here's what's going to happen. I didn't think you'd be here. But I'm gonna entertaining. JJ are Sehgal Whiteside in the third round. Oh, I like that big numbers at Stanford is I think he needs to improve his route running but such a good red zone weapon. Big tall body can get seperation downfield creates yards after the catch. I think as a wide receiver three with some wide receiver to if not best-case low and wide receiver one capability, I think having Mike Williams JJ are Sigel Whiteside and Keenan Allen in the red zone. You're almost unstoppable. How do you? Stop a guy like our Whiteside. Mike Williams, you got hunter Henry Melville, Gordon. Awesome. Neck Laura out of the backfield. That's got Q now running underneath that's a nasty duo. I want no part of that. So you got your new wide receiver three here. J T R. Whiteside who fell to the end of the third round Travis who? Uncut by. And I think one thing we didn't mention about our Sega Whiteside that I think people overlook because there's a wide receiver is his one of the smartest and best blocking wide receivers. If not the best in the entire draft every time you see. Bryce love breaking a big run usually are white size downfield making the block for him. So very valuable as a blocker. Just a little added value there. All right. So let's talk about the next round. And I'm definitely going to have to look at interior defense of linemen. But tackles Ryan Bates to know green. I say your prince's there. I'm not looking at either of them Cameron Smith is there. I'm not really looking at here. I've already got my safety and interior defensive lineman. Well, this is kind of a decision I have to make so Kaelin Saunders is there. And so is my sleeper tristen hill to take my sleeper or Kaelin Kaelin Saunders is graded higher. So I'm gonna go with my board. I'm gonna take Kaelin Saunders. Big man with a math lettuce ISM. Good bend for the position uses Bruce shrink to win in the run game athleticism to win on passing downs. He's that big man you saw doing backflips you've seen it all over Twitter can play anywhere from zero to three tech, which I love definitely compete with Justin jobs for that. Three tech spot. Starting right away. Could eventually take over for Brandon me Bain at zero tech charges. Finally, get a good pass rusher threat from the inside. Caitlyn Saunders in the fourth. I usually I'm targeting the third. So for him to follow the fourth. I'm very happy about that. It's kind of like you're just in the third Saunders is mine in the fourth. So got my interior defensive linemen in Kaelin Saunders. I've already got a wide receiver. So I guess we're going to scrap the whole Anthony Johnson bit, which is good. And then we're going into the fifth round. No linebacker yet. Right. No linebacker yet. No tight end. You know, tight end. No linebacker. I kinda wanna punt linebacker. This draft. I really do. It's just isn't a good linebacker cloudy. Really isn't. Oh, good. God, man. Well, I got lucky again and Kane Smithfield. Emmy, so you know, this is your draft and not to let go draft. Right. I wanna Kate Smith. Oh, I thought you said Cameron Smith. Oh, no, no kidding. Smith tight end at a Saint. I I heard Cameron Smith. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Shade Smith there. We've already talked about him could be tied at one down the road a fan of his I like him getting allow round later too. So let's see where we fall here because I want to go offense of tackle again and probably interior defensive line. And I'm in round six good spot for them guy. You took a round earlier. I'm gonna take him here in the sixth arm on watts. I mean, this is the thing. I love about getting Ceylan Saunders. Arm on watts that they are versatile enough. They can play zero three that you can mix. A match with those guys and that's to versatile pieces on that defensive front, which I love love watch quick for step athletic for big thick frame disciplined rusher. Love that. He's pretty smart. Lander scrimmage to gets his hands on a lot of footballs. Good band. Another guy who's got some password traps in the interior. So you got Kaelin Saunders who can rush the quarterback. You've got armone watch can rush the quarterback. I'm a big fan of what I've done on the interior defensive line. And we're going into the last pick of the draft. And I'm either going linebacker off. It's tackle I've kind of I kind of went narrow on what what position group I was going to go and I haven't listed who's available. But I kinda wanted to burn through this group because we've kind of talked about a lot of them. Okay. So linebacker to Sean Davis TJ Edwards. I. I'm not gonna take him here. Just for the second doing something different. I'm going to punt linebacker in this draft. I am just going to say I've got another year with Phillips because you're white tapes Brown Thomas. Davis Denzel Perryman, maybe even to Davis Perriman who knows but for two thousand nineteen I'm leaving the linebacker core alone. Maybe I can grab a diamond in the rough. I'm going to focus on it in the undrafted free agents. And for my last pick to be honest with you, the only guy, I know and the only guy that I've actually watched when I was watching off its tackles and that was Tyree Saint Louis the tackle out of Miami. A big body. He's pretty agile pretty athletic, but has such issues. Perfect frame guy. You're probably going to have to break down and start over again. But you really need to double dip. He played left tackle played, right? Tackle I love the size. I love the athletes ISM. But. There are some real issues in pass pro pretty good as run blocker. So need refined the technique when you get them into camp. But at least a potential swing tackle here for two thousand nineteen hope you can develop them into something because you've got a great moldable body. So that does it for my mock draft. Let's go over it. Again. I've got Cody Ford in the first round Deontay Thompson in the second. JJ are a Whiteside in the third Kaelin Saunders in the fourth Cain Smith in the fifth. Armone watts in the sixth and Tyree Saint Louis tackle in the seventh round. That does. I guys let us know who you like better who's Thom Tillis, go better who's personal drafters better? That's it for us. We're done drafts. Coming up. We'll talk to you when the draft happens and we'll review these guys I am accuracy on Twitter. Jamie underscore around. We will see next time. Thanks, buddy. 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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 2 - Defense

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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 2 - Defense

"Uh-huh. Hello, welcome back to part of the big big board podcast of our positional. Top tents. Chris we did not go away for very long but ready to break down the defense. Yeah. This is the strength craft right here. So let's get to it shrink the draft of probably the highest volume of where the giants are going to pick. We talked about how they have twelve fix in one of our last podcasts over the weekend. We're not expecting them to pick twelve times. But I would expect a majority of those picks to be on the defensive side of the ball because that is the strength of this craft. And it is the weakness on the giants roster. So what start with a position they are probably going to hit quite heavy. And that is edge. Like we did for the offense. We're going to break down our our top ten's each. And then talk about where we differ who we like a little more than others and would just go by that position by position on. Just like we did offense. So for by edge. We'll get into my top ten of Brian birds from Florida state as edge one Nick Boza from Ohio State edge to Josh Allen. From Kentucky is three Montana's. Wet from Mississippi State four Cohen Ferrell from Clemson at edge five or boy, Bemba Nobu Ed from TCU at six, and then I have chased winna vich from Michigan edge seven o'shane's Jimenez from Old Dominion is edge eight than ethnic Nelson from Iowa is edged nine and Rashawn Gary from Michigan is edged ten for me. Chris let's run down your top ten at Ed. Yeah. Mine is very similar to yours, basically right down to seven. So just start out. I've got Nick Bose's edge one. Josh Allen to Brian burns it three months. Sweat for clone. Feral at five perpich at six. Six and Bandhu at seven. Here's where we started get get a little bit different. I have Christian Miller from Alabama at eight then oceans immunize Old Dominion at nine and Gitai polite out of Florida at ten. Yes. I think edge is pretty straightforward. We only have two guys each who are not on others for me. That's Anthony Nelson from Iowa. I like him a quite a bit. He was fairly productive thirteen percent pressure. Raipur SIS. We rushed about eighty percent of the time. So he does have an ability to drop back a little bit. Obviously if you're drafting someone as an edge rusher, you're not drafting him because of his coverage ability, but Nelson was asked you drop back a little bit. So he does have that ability and t was fairly athletic seventy nine th percentile per spark. So there's athleticism upside there he had a good pressure rate. You can maybe develop him war dude in in the mid to late rounds? And then I think surprising as a we have talked. We found this with the quarterback. I was somehow higher than you on Dan Jones. I'm also apparently higher on Gary who is my edged ten obviously, he is not going to be taken at ten. So I'm not completely taking him at up my top ten if you had him in the third or fourth round and want to try to Bank on his athletic upside up for it. But where he's going to go into first round is why I'm going to say away. But I don't think his production was so bad that you stay away from him completely. I'm going to stay away from him where he's probably going to be drafted though. Yeah. I actually don't have Rashawn Gerry as an edge on my board. I have him listed as an interior defensive lineman at which point I do have him as a third round prospect. But I maybe I'll get into that. When we get to the interior defensive line. I have Christian Miller. Eight the fact that he's injured right now, the a torn biceps I think that hurt him throughout the draft. I I was hoping to get to see him at the senior bowl. And then at the combine and than Alabama's pro day. None of that happened because he was he is really good off the ball. He's got good burst. He can bend around the edge. He can play with his hand in the dirt or out of a two point stance. And he was just disruptive. It was mostly last year. But he when he was on the field he was disruptive. So I I have him as value pick. I I don't know that he will be one of the first ten edges off the board. But I think the team can get him in the middle rounds. They will get good player. And then Jakob polite dot he has had such a weird draft process. I don't know. If he is Ben sick. Or if he got hurt and has been just trying to gut through it. Or if he just got some absolutely terrible advice. But the guy we have seen since January is not the guy. I saw on tape at Florida at Florida. He looked like a young OC human ura. He had probably the best first step in this class and considering this class that saying something. He could get off the ball. And he can just get grape depth with his first second third step. He could bend around the corner. It there were times he was just embarrassing offense of tackles. He was a little bit. Leaner, kind of a smaller guy. So I have feel maybe somebody told him to put on weight, and maybe didn't give them a whole lot of guidance as to how. And because what we saw at the combine he was a lot thicker, and he had just a lot of bad weight. And he had just a terrible workout. So I'm I have him at ten just betting that if you get him get him in house and get him with just a good nutritionist and good strengthen conditioning advice that you could get the guy we saw on the field at Florida back yet, his pre-draft you circuit really concern me through the combine it seemed like he didn't do very well in the interviews. It seemed like he was not really fazed that he didn't do. Well in the interviews and his by testing was atrocious below the first percentile zero point nine percent. So you just you don't see guys six seed there that is so far below what is the expected or accepted athleticism cut off at edge that I would be completely scared away from him. He's someone who would probably be off my board where it's not really worth taking a shot on him. Just because. That Atlanticism was so poor. And so that's why I don't have a mayor. I'd much rather as much as we've said, we don't really like Rashawn, Gary, especially where he's going to go. I would rather bet on that athleticism. That UK polite who has kind of not done this entire process. Well, was one of the worst athletes we could possibly see from the combine. And I just I don't expect that to translate on the field. And then that's that's where we differ there. At the end. I will be at the top. We again, we have the same top three that are switch. I think maybe having Brian burns as edge. One is probably not a very wide held belief. But I like him a quite a bit very epileptic great sparks score and the ninety four th percentile he was second in pressures of bunged this edge class football outsiders. They're sexier, which is their projection system for edge rushers. He was I in. In their sexier projection, which takes into accounts of bit of scouting. And also in their sex you rating, which is just the raw data in doesn't take into account discounting side. So he is very very good edge prospect, and there's not a lot of talk of him being the guy at six for the giants. I think he possibly should be because I think he can be that good. Yeah. I definitely see that with him. He probably has the best bend in this entire class. Just his ability to get even being a little bit taller guy or little bit longer guy. Just to get low and get his hits close to the ground. And. Get that angle between his legs and the ground be as small as possible he can do that better than pretty much. Anyone I have Nick both at one just because he is basically his brother, but with better lateral agility. And we already saw Joey Bosa come in and just straight dominate the NFL as a rookie both of them came in with just absolutely polished pro ready hand usage, it was almost impossible for a college tackle to lock in on neck Bose's chest plate, and it's going to be damn hard for an NFL tackle to do that too. And he also brings power so he could mix a bull rush or a long arm, and then put those hands to work with like, maybe a club rip or other moves like that. So I just like that he has more variety open to him as a pass rusher in we both like Josh Allen. We've said that basically from the beginning I'd like to see him come downhill with maybe a little bit a little bit more of an edge to him as a pass rusher. I think if if he can learn to do that and maybe continue working on getting stronger, he could have a Khalil Mack like pass rush. Then we both have Mont has sweat at four. I don't know what to think about his heart condition. I don't have the medical report supposedly some teams are wary. But also Mississippi State knew about it the senior bowl knew about it. The NFL knew about it. Everybody's cleared him to play football and to work out. So I'm not sure it's going to be a huge deal. But he is just such a phenomenal athlete that I can't have him any lower than four. I'm not terribly worried about his Ben because he doesn't have the most flexible hips like burns does. But he actually does have pretty good flexibility in his ankle. And he can bend around the corner. It's just the Mississippi State rarely put him in a physician do that played him at a lot of four and five technique in the games. I washed him he was only at like seven technique. A couple times. But when he did he was off the ball, and he gave John Taylor headaches. He he embarrassed Alden reisner a couple times. Yeah. I think what it's going to come down to here is the medical for him. I think some teams are going to be okay with what's whatever is going on with the heart issue. He apparently has and that some teams just aren't going to and that's fine. So he's going to get drafted by one of the teams that is okay with what's going on. And I think we kind of saw that with marines hers who was the interior defensive linemen from Michigan had something with his heart. Come up at the combine he dropped to the fifth round. I think some people expected him to go possibly in the first at least the second. He dropped to fifth. I'm not sure sweats going to drop that far but Hearst played all year in Oakland, just fine. So not sure how similar those situations are, but there is a little bit of president there. So let's move on now to the interior defensive line class. All through my top ten women Williams that one and all to Jerry Tillery from Notre Dame three crucial Wilkins from Clemson four of Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State at five dream aunt Jones from Ohio State at six Zack Allen from Boston College at seven Dexter Lawrence from Clemson at eight Charles many, Hugh from Texas at nine and tristen hill from UCF at ten Chris. Let's go to use. All right once again, we are pretty similar through the top five. I have quit and Williams. One at Oliver to Jeffrey Simmons at three Christian Wilkins, four Jerry Tillery of five and Jalen Ferguson out of Louisiana tech at six Zack Allan at seven. Charles, Hugh at eight Dexter Lawrence at nine and then Gerald Willis out of Miami at ten so. I think I will start off is saying I believe in Jeffrey Simmons if he was healthy if he hadn't torn his ACL working out for the draft. I believe he would be a borderline top ten pick. He is just that good. He didn't get the buzz during the season that Williams Oliver got. But he he was right there with them. Just great off the ball disruptive stout. Everything you could ask defensive tackle to be. He could do that. Yeah. I think the injury is obviously going to be a pretty big deal. He is coming off an easy L, which I guess isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. But because it happened so late he did miss everything. And so the recovery time is going to be unknown for the start of the season. They're also he did have a you know off the field incident. I believe in high school, so. So I think that might hang up some teams little bit. Although I think if you if you read into what a Mississippi State people have said about him, he's he's been great since being there. So maybe that's not as big of an issue as it potentially could have been. But yet the L does does play a part. You know, I still have him as number five for me. So it's not like I'm completely running off. Obviously like Quinton Williams and Oliver who are just the bee's and should be top ten picks. I like, Jerry, Tim, who is a very good athlete. Very good pass rusher from the interior and one crazy thing about Tillery is he tested really well at the combine with a torn labor them. He got surgery on a torn labor like two days after the combine a so he played part of the season with labor him. He had all his pre-draft process with that torn away. So he just had surgery, but he should be back in that recovery will be a little quicker and with the shoulder. You don't really worry about it quite as much. So he someone I'm very high on. He I think he should be first rounder. And I think when you look at what I think both of us will like I think we do value pass rush from the interior both of us have desert Lawrence quite will again surprise. I am technically higher index or Warrenton. You I have a mid eight you have him nine. But when when you look at the other guys, we have in that area this Allen, the many, Hugh, I have Tristan hill, you have Gerald Willis all of that is pass rush potential from the interior. Yeah. And I do have tristen hill as my ideal eleven so I really like him to I would like to know why he lost his starting job his final year at UCF. But he's just such a great oddly. He's so disruptive. I take the chance on them. I think our biggest difference is probably you have dream on Jones, and I have Jilin Ferguson. I was disappointed in Jones after the season at the combine. He what I saw the calm. I just did not measure up to what I was expecting based on the season. But Jalen, Ferguson, I have him as ninety L not as an edge. You know, kinda like respond, Gary, I don't know that he has just that ability to bend the edge that you need from edged defender, but he is just such a bully. I don't think there's a question he could step in and play five technique or three technique in a nickel situation and give guards fits. So that's just where I am with him. And it kinda have to respect the production. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean for me, I would have great Draymond Jones's production to be a little better. We the twenty-first percentile spark. But he was still able to push the pocket a little bit nine point nine percent pressure rate. Pretty good good enough for me where some of these guys are especially in that area. So when he's able to push the pocket like that from the interior. I think he has more vocal mobility than he has actual great athleticism. Which of course, the guys I think have great athleticism are the guys I have at the top Coen Williams. Who's just really good not a super athlete, but incredible at creating pressure and over who is that super athlete and j Hillary has that potential. So I do like dream on Jones just from a what he was able to show, and then you will get all the other guys and Zack Allen is someone. I think we both like from the ability to play on the inside. Side and the outside and then like Jones a little more than many, Hugh. I think Tristan who is someone talk about he was kind of in all over situation where he was played a little more on the nose, and he probably should have. He probably should have been a little more of a attacking three technique in a more traditional defensive tackle. I think an NFL team puts him there. He will be much better the difference with hill and all of her was he's not at all of her status. So when he got on his coaches nerves I think he'd just lost the starting job instead of just being at all and the coaches being like what we have to put him out on the field. So I think that's a big difference is there. Yeah. And Gerald Willis, I think he is a guy who's kind of been overlooked throughout the process. Just watching the Miami defense there. Twenty seventeen and I at the start of twenty thousand they were fun to watch and Willis just kept flashing in the middle. So I think his best football is a head of him. Yeah. I think so too was decent creating pressure. She would be my interior eleven also. So I think he does have some upside you would like to see a little more of past production for me to feel good. But he was crazy twenty two run sauce, which was the second most for where this interior line class of just behind Quinten Williams, so he's able to get himself into the backfield in the run game. You would hope that translates a little bit into the past game. And that's where I would feel a little better about him there everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. You can design systems without having to reveal any individuals particular medical record journalists academics, Lena Khan who thinks that we should be doing way more to break up giant companies game on Facebook in hindsight. Allowing casebook to buy up both what's up and Instagram proved been the wrong call, and we talked to Texas ios video Bill Baxter explained. Exactly, how smart TV manufacturers make their money. It's about post purchase monetization of the TV. It's ads. It's ad. Check us out every Friday to your everything intact. From new iphone leaks to breaking down. Facebook's ongoing issues of private. See to just me and Paul ranting each other about the role of government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe diverse wherever podcast, we'll see. So what's move onto off ball one backer, which interesting? I think we might get some angry emails over this. It's an interesting position where there's a very clear up to and then after that crew knows. So I'll just run down mine. So I think we give it away a little we agree here on the order of the first few which is not widely held belief, but I have Devin Bush from Michigan as linebacker one. Then Devon white from LSU is linebacker to then wake Cashman as linebacker three Johnny via from Hawaii as before. And Ben Burtt curving from Washington is linebacker five take on Coney from Notre Dame as linebacker six. Bobby Ricky from Stanford at seven drew tranquil from Notre Dame at eight MEC Wilson from Alabama at nine and chase Hanson at ten. Know, we are actually the same through the top three different Bush, Devon white. And then late Cashman, though. At also happens to be how the awful linebacker position sorted out with spark with different Bush as the spark monster of the class Devon white a little bit behind him in like Cashman, surprising pretty much everybody and coming up pretty close to Devon white than I have been curbing at four Mak Wilson at five Bobbio Greek at six drew tranquil from Notre Dame at seven Boesch on Joseph of Florida at eight Terrel Hanks of New Mexico state at nine and Dakota. Alan of Texas Tech at ten. I'm higher on Mak Wilson than you are. But I also am not terribly high on him. I think this will be another case of just pedigree and athleticism getting him drafted highly. He has so Alec tree in him where he is defending his spot, and he will not move from his spot. And as as we've seen that's not a great trait, but he is athletic, and I think coaches might decide to take a flyer on him hoping they can coach him out of that. I personally have Blake Cashman member. Kurban pretty not too far behind deafen Bush, Devon white. They're both first round picks on my board. And then Cashman Burkart. Win are solid second round picks. I don't have an awful linebacker in the one the two fringe area. And then with the rest of the guys I just kinda went for athleticism and coverage ability. Yeah. Which is what you should be. Looking at a four elf linebackers. I mean, that's basically what the game is right now if you do not have an athletic linebacker who cover you might as well just not have any one decker on the field at all to get your back. Wilson point one of the reasons I'm pretty low on him is Vito about him during the season was that he was athletic, but he tested as not a great athlete. Indie thirtieth percentile from spark any four seven one, which is not fast. So when you combine that with some of the instincts he lacks a little bit east of quick twitch instincts that he has to to quickly identify something. That's really pushes him down my board to wind Becker nine. I think it shows the state of this linebacker class that I don't really like neck Wilson at all. And he's still my linebacker nine. But I agree with you with the athletes and the coverage Gilani to buy did not test because of a shoulder injury. He had but has been very good. In coverage at Hawaii the same thing for on Coney who did not not test at the combine, but two things Coney has done very well in his career at Notre Dame have been coverage was one of the better coverage linebackers last year. He's been pretty good throughout his career. I think career like four point four yards per target allowed over about thirty three targets. I believe per sports solution. So that's very good to me any Coney not miss tackles, his one of the lowest of broken tackle rates of this class. So even if there's no testable athleticism. I think the fact that he has proven to cover well and does not have broken tackles when he is trying to make them in this class that is more than enough for me. Yeah. That. That is a whole lot of good traits to have at with Divi. I I hate that. He was injured. I wish he could have worked out because a lot more people would be talking about him. Yeah. I think so I think that's possibly why he might be a good value pick for a team that can take him especially in this land class of where. No after the top two maybe this three if you do like Cashman a little bit. But he's not on the same tier of of the two Devon's. So it's going to be trying to figure out what interests you in a backer. Once you get past that Mark end of for a lot of people each it should be coverage that is what rules in the NFL right now these big hawking run stopping linebackers just they don't play often enough to make an impact on teams aren't running often enough for them to make an impact. So what's move on to a position that I believe does make quite a? Bit of an impact and that is quarterback of run through my top ten greedy Williams from LSU is my corner. One by remerci from Washington. Number two, rocky sand from temple number three. Andre Baker from Georgia number four Djamil deed from Auburn number five just in lane from Michigan state is number six or warrior from Penn State is number seven tree on woman from Clemson is number eight Julian love from Notre Dame is number nine and Mike Jackson from Miami is number ten. All right. And I think fairly consistently. My we have the same two top corners. But they're swamped I have Byron Murphy from Washington is CB one, greedy Williams at two than the Andre Baker at three money or warriors at four just in lean at five and David long from Michigan at. Six rocky sin at seven Julian love at eight. Isaiah Johnson from Houston at nine and Joon Williams from Vanderbilt at ten so our top two I just happen to believe the Byron Murphy, even though speed is a problem for him. I think he will get his speed. I don't think he's a slow corner. I think he's faster than he tested the combine because he added weight. So I think that will kind of normalize as he gets used to just being one hundred ninety pound corner instead of one seventy five pound corner or whatever played at Washington. He hit his frame didn't look over overly, bulky. So I don't the wait actually look fairly natural on him. So I think that will speed will come back yet that makes sense to me. I think why I have greedy over Byron who I think both of them are very good. I think greedy spent a lot more time at LSU in man, coverage and Byran Murphy was a lot more in zone at Washington. And that's fine. I just think greedy is going to be able to catch up in man coverage at the NFL a little quicker than by Murphy is although I do think it's not that Byron Murphy's not going to be able to catch up to that. I just think I like grease projection little bit with his size and his lane on the outside in man coverage than I do Byran Murphy who little shorter played a lot in zone. I still think he's going to be very good cornerback still might number two. I just think that puts greedy at the top for me. Yeah. And that's fair. The Andrea Baker. I he didn't take the step forward that I think a lot of people were expecting from him coming into the twenty eight season. But I don't I still like him. He's just a very sticky corner. Once he gets tight coverage on somebody. He just stays there. And I also do like his ball skills. Oria? I think we've been over him enough that he didn't test out as fast as I think people thought, but if you want just a big pressman coverage corner, he's gonna be a good one. And that's something that crops up kind of again, and again and again just in my bottoms five or six Justin lane, David long. Isaiah johnson. And Joe on Williams just all long either look like wide receivers or actually are converted wide receivers. They can. All of them play. Just pressman coverage. I Johnson is guy. He intrigues the hell outta me. I I'm not sure if he's going to last long to be value pig, but I think he could almost be like Darius slay type player once he really gets it because he's still transitioning from a wide receiver and then Rocky's in I'm high on him to keep going back to the battles. He had with deebo at the senior bowl. I would take him basically anywhere starting maybe even the league first round. I would be totally okay. With that. I mean, I'm pretty high on Rocky's in obviously, I spent a quite a bit of time watching him during the regular season for the college football. I did wash in the regular season. I watch temple quite a bit. Because that is where I went to school. So he was he was very good did not allow long receptions at all was basically a completely shut down. So he is like that's why he is my. Corner three right behind greedy. And Byran Murphy then. Yeah. I do have a Andre Baker Djamil dean is someone. I like a what who is not a journalist. He is super athletic. He has to knee injuries, which I believe is probably going to hold up. Some teams is probably why his draft stock is not going to be as high as it should be. He was healthy enough to test at the combine and boy did heat at the combine pretty much jumped through the roof. Four three forty forty one inch vertical one hundred thirty inch broad jump. These are all great explosive metrics, and then when you look at his coverage metrics only allowed thirty one point nine percent of forty seven targets to be completed last year sports influence just under five yards per target allowed. So I think dean has a lot of upside and you'll get a six two. So we also has the link you would like so that's why I am higher on him. Then most and then the other. Guys. I think we just differ a little bit. I think from athleticism David longs. Probably my corner eleven he is super athletic and good. He's just little small were immi. I think he's a was listed at five eleven urge five ten and five eighths of just under five eleven so for me. I was just thinking more. I'd rather focus on some outside guys who can be bigger and win more on the outside might be able to do that. Because he has the athleticism NB college production to a to have that. And then I think I like some other guys like Mike Jackson was also fairly athletic the ninety first percentile in spark and allowed just thirty seven percent of his passes be completed on him alas season. So this is this is a good corner class. I I liked the corners here. I think some people say this isn't a great core class, which may be what you get. Past greedy. And Byron Murphy. There's maybe not the top top tier? But I think there's some pretty useful contributors all over the place. And I think this is a fairly deep cornerback glass. Yeah. Kind of like the awful linebacker. There is a little bit of Gulf between the top two guys. And then everybody else, but there's a lot of players who could fit in a lot of different coverage schemes there are guys who can play pressman. There's guys who could play quarters or or cover to cover three corners. You should be able to find a cornerback that fits your defense in this class. Even if they're not going to be a blue chip star one guy he fell just outside of my top ten that. I like for a lot of the same reasons you like dean is Sean bunting out of central Michigan. Again, he's got the size. He didn't exactly jump out of the gym. Although forty one and a half inches ain't bad. But just all around good athlete that I think a team could take a chance on. Maybe come up with a good contributing player. Maybe even as late as the third day. Yes. It'll be possible. I think might go for that. I think there's been some pickup on the Sean bunting hype forty one percent of passes completed against him. That's good five point seven nine the target last year, which is decent. So again, I think there's it's like you said it's kind of like the linebacker position where afterward just kind of trying to figure out what you're looking for. The thing about quarters is a better way more than the off all linebackers do so what's finishes up with eight go through the safety rankings? So last position. So I will start Chauncey Gardiner Johnson from Florida safety won sear Avary from Delaware's my safety to Taylor rap from Washington, my safety three one Thornhill from Virginia's my CD four Deontay Thompson from Alabama is my safety five money. Hooker from Iowa Eighty-six, darnold savage. From Maryland, my safety seven Jonathan Abram from Mississippi State, my safety eight Morville tell from USC is my safety nine and Chaudhry red wine from Miami is my safety. Ten chris. Let's run through your ten. Okay. Top to Chauncey Gardiner Johnson, and is your Adderley same same. Then four three I have Donald savage Maryland than deonte Thomson out of Alabama Taylor rap out of Washington. One Thornhill out of Virginia. Jonathan Abram out of Mississippi State money Hooker out of Iowa than Google Ahmadi out of Oregon engine Kwan Johnson out of Miami. Really, the only places we have different guys are at nine and ten I think I've been fairly consistent about liking go Ahmadi just because of his coverage ability. He I don't he didn't test out as a great athlete. But you know, he is just really good at coverage. So for free safety. I have to like that. I think I'm higher on Darnell savage than a lot of people are apparently not because I think Rappaport tweeted that he might be finding his way into the back half of the first round. So people people finally starting to listen to me because for me he just plays up to his name when he comes downhill from a deep zone. He is just savage, and I think he might be the fastest safety in this group. He had a great combine he does everything he can cover out of the slot. He can play a deep zone. He is. Fearless coming downhill. I just really like watching him play. He's someone who can move around. Wait a bit. Let's see him for solutions. He played twenty two point two percent of his naps from the slut last year. A seven point six percent in the box. He was a super. Athletic safety from the combine eighty six percentile of four three six forty. So he does have that straight line speed, which you like I do like him. I just I think I like a couple of guys more than him who potentially a little athletic can move around a little more still have him as safety seven. I like a money Hooker Deontay Thompson little more. I think one Thornhill can possibly be that he was a little more athletic, especially perspec- and can move around a little bit. And I liked the little bored. What he did at Virginia than what savage did the, but I'm not going to be opposed to you liking, darnold savage a lot. I think that's a good bit of this is because we're grouping all safeties together is a little bit eye of the beholder here. Again, I think a lot of this is, but because we're more so in this position and the rest is kind of playing different positions. One. Thing the giants will like specifically as guys who can play all around. I think you have that with most of the guys we listed. Chauncey garner Johnson. You basically was a nickel corner last year, but can play free safety complex Strug safety. He can play all over the field. Just mix plays literally everywhere. He is so good. And so fun to watch probably outside of Cuyler Murray. Maybe my favorite prospect to watch in color Murray was just insane. Chauncey Gardiner Johnson just made plays all over the place. Not surprising. He is the safety one for both of us as we get into our differences Morville tell for me, I've like him a lot. He is a guy who can play. I think all over the place had super athletic. Good testing at the combine in the ninety nine th percentile of Boric. We ran a four five nine. But all these other testing was crazy four a one short shuttle, which is kind of insane. He was great in the jumps. I think he has the ability to play all three safety position. So I think that at the lettuce and that first Tillery I think can make him a mid to wait round steel on the same thing goes for Sheldrick red wine who was also of fairly athletic and can play all those different position. So I think that's why I have those two they're over the the two guys you have at the bottom. Yeah. And that's fair. I would say more telled among these safeties wins the name game. And you know, if he makes a roster and becomes a player in a major contributor. He's going to get nicknamed captain marvel. That's just going to happen. Let's do it. Right. Win win vendors and game also comes out. Yeah. Yeah. And she's still in theaters. So there you go the original captain Norval. That is true. And now we are getting nerdy on a whole different area. I'd never restrained. 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B.I.G. Interview | Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos Talks Off-Season Moves Chatter

"Hey it's andrew bogusch from cbs sports radio. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi welcome back to the show. We're live from the article. Asian specialist studios with me now is our broncos insider stevens from dean. Vr broncos zach. My friend love. Get you on every monday. Because even even though we're in this weird off season it's it's absolutely entertaining to talk about to dream about what this denver broncos teams ultimately going to look like. There's a lot of things still to be sorted out especially this this month as we hit march i man. There's there's a lot of things heating up. Yeah let's go go time and two weeks brady. The unofficial start of free agency starts two weeks from today. Pretty much to the minute right now and then of course march seventeenth which is that wednesday is when teams can officially sign players. And just with the way that the nfl has kind of moved to To these things in the past couple of years we've been getting news today coming out in the nfl which does affect the broncos of course jj watt with that huge contract. Go into the cardinal. Yeah i mean you think about that. Yes. it's a it's a. It's an interesting move. It's a big move in the nfl. But like you just said that is a big impact for for the broncos situation and von miller situation. Yeah it absolutely is j. J. watt a guy who you know very similar kind of career path at von miller although he does have more accolades in bonn miller but he does not have that super bowl fifty. Mvp that von has but jj watt in aging player. You've seen it in his game the past couple of years in the past two years. Jj watt has nine total sacks. Radi von miller in the past. Two years has eight and a half show. I mean we're we're talking about a very similar type of impact player. Of course bond missed all of last season but he only had eight and a half sacks that year before in twenty nineteen and what type of deal was. Jj watt gonna get. He pretty much. It seemed like he could choose the team. He wanted to go to Maybe it was going to have to take a pretty big pay. Pay cut if you went to a true contender this year but instead he went out and he got paid and man. I mean the cardinals are going to be a very very interesting team this year. But how it affects. The broncos is okay a lot of people now believe that fifteen and a half million that. Jj watches got two years. Thirty one million is kind of what the floor for von miller this year In the broncos trying to potentially renegotiate deal with them and radi in my mind. I thought that the broncos we're going to try to get bond to take pretty much fifty percent pay-cut He was he was scheduled to make eighteen million dollars this year. I thought they were gonna wanna put them right around ten eleven million. This would say that that's not going to happen. So would at three million dollar discount be enough for the broncos to keep on miller around. Personally i don't think so. I think they're looking for a bigger bigger pay cuts than that if this was john. Elway's decision still. Do you think that there'd be a better chance that denver would go with a fifteen and a half million type deal Million dollar type deal for von yup. Absolutely i i think that with john elway we have seen even though there was crop gate. A couple of years ago in those contract negotiations. We've seen john away. Stick by von miller. No matter what i mean. They had a contract option in his contract last year to and the day after the season ended john elway said no. We're picking up and completely just kabosh. Any ideas of the broncos moving on from From van last year now with payton. There's no emotion. Attached von miller was john elway first draft pick number two overall helped him deliver The super bowl fifty was a you know the the biggest reason for that as the mvp award would show doors. Payton has no emotional attachment with that. So i think That that george isn't going to go to the extent that that elway was zak stevens joining us from denver broncos and zack as we approach free agency here. How aggressive are the broncos going to be. Obviously we know they have to take care of their own situations. I with guys like justice. Simmons and we'll see what happens. Lindsay as we just talked about with vaughn show. Here's a lot of names. But how aggressive do you see them getting outside of their own camp knowing that there's still this may be possibility of trading the farm away shawn watson because you want to be careful. You don't wanna get too many contracts in here and then you you. Maybe the trade could happen and now you're in trouble. Yeah and that's what's so tough about this. This shawn watson scenario or if russell wilson becomes available. One of bildt's guys it really makes you okay do you. Do you plan for that. Potentially opening up to you move on from that and try to move things in the future but brady icy this broncos free agency really keeping their own gut they have forty five million dollars in cap space right now after moving on from terrell casey last week which puts them in the top five teen for having the most cap space entering free. But when you look at it if they pay justin simmons fifteen million dollars a year if they pay shelby harris around ten million dollars. You're boom it now. Twenty five of forty five million has gone. You've got to save about ten million dollars for the draft class so there's thirty five million and then you can use that ten million dollars to you know Put put a tender a second round tender on. Tim patrick a second round tender on phillip lindsay. And then there you go. There's your team we haven't even talked about signing any other free agents. Now if you move on from von miller you free up eighteen million dollars cap space. That's the money that you would use in free agency to go get maybe one. Big name Dollar player or you can go out and get a couple of five ten million dollar players there so this free agency. While the broncos do have a lot of money i expect it to be spent internally zach so obviously number one priority justin simmons right yup get him taken care of. That's number one. What's the number two is it. Is it getting a guy like shelby. Harris locked up know getting von miller just dealt with one way or the other. What's what's the second priority. For the broncos. I really think that's second priority as shelby harris moving on from drill casey last week. You have one true defensive end on your roster and that's draymond jones and you feel very comfortable and draymond. It seems like he very much going to be a starter for your team. But then you have mike personnel I the nose tackle. Who's coming off a pretty significant injury especially for a guy who's thirty years old right now. That's something that you can't overlook the broncos are gonna count on him With the contract they gave him last year. They're counting on him to be a starter. But you kinda have to have another option. There they do like mattel mctelvin agim there Who was a rookie last year. But you gotta add Another great player on that defensive line and shelby harris the guy. That's already in your backyard right there. So might as well keep him and then expect them to make another move on the defensive line whether it's the draft or whether it's free agency but i would expect a good investment in shelby in. That's why he's a number two priority. So okay justice simmons shelby harris. And i agree. You gotta you gotta take care of those guys. I love watching both those guys play. We know simmons's is definitely big time on the priority list. How about let's go to. Let's go to your top five three four five. What's next denver. Oh boy like you said. Von miller figuring out that because it's not necessarily keeping von around or not knowing how much money you're going to have to work with. They have a hard deadline coming up with him in less than two weeks Actually right around two weeks brady deciding on what you do with him Whether you have twenty million extra dollars to spend in free agency. Like i said if you're going to spend money on outside. It's going to be with bond miller's contract right there unless you're not going to get a deal worked out with justice which from this list is clearly not the priority there so Figuring out what to do there and then what's he's sneakily comes on. This list is figuring out. Kareem jackson because kareem jackson has a team option. He has absolutely lived up to his his three year. Thirty three million dollar deal. He signed two years ago but brady. Are you going to pay to safeties over twenty five million dollars Not only is that a lot for the safety position. I if you do end up paying. Justin simmons twenty five million dollars or fifteen million dollars a year but also this is if you go back and historically look vic fangio has taken bad safeties and made them good. He's taking good safeties and made them great and he's taken great safety and made them meet so this value really may not be there. If you decline kareem jackson option. There's about ten million dollars in cats based frees up as well so that becomes a very tricky situation right there because you love the player. Kareem's been this would have nothing to do with him but can especially in a capsule neighbor going to be about one hundred and eighty million. Can you do that. That is going to be tough because if you keep kareem on you you arguably have the best safety duo in the nfl but if you do pick up that option and then hope to to sign for a long term deal what have you. I mean that does put you in a tough spot as you start looking at other contracts and other big time moves going forward. You're right that'd be a lot Shelling out for one position essentially. Yeah exactly and then let's round out the top five and of course quarterback to be in there and if they have their eyes set on a big time quarterback then of course that's the number one priority but just where the broncos are right now thinking about. You know potential veterans hedge. If that's the route if they're going to go after one in free agency it's probably going to be a hedge and so of course that's in your top five as well Interest justin simmons shelby harris von miller cream jackson and of course the quarterback physician outside of you know big time guys like watson and russell. Wilson should be interesting man. How about these other guys on the list. Not i i agree. I wouldn't consider these guys your top five priorities but priorities. Nonetheless phillip lindsay. Tim patrick another big name on that list. What are you what you see in the future for both of those guys. Yeah both very interesting. Because you're not going to let can patrick. Just walk right now. You would get nothing for him And he he is way to valuable to just let him leave but is he a guy that you have in your long term plan. The broncos said absolutely not by the move. They've made And so are you really gonna pay a guy A lot of money to stick around for for the long-term when he's not in those plans. No you're not so what you're going to do is you're going to throw a second round tender on him. It's gonna cost you three and a half million dollars this year and he's going to be a fantastic fantastic fees. he's also going to see the field because he's a very good player but you're not gonna sign him to a long term deal. Then after he leaves this year he goes and gets a big deal somewhere because he can play Or you look to trade him. This year may can get a second if you could get a day two pick for him you do that in a heartbeat But if not then you let them walk and maybe get a third round compensatory pick next year but you can't just let him walk right now you've got gotta pay him that second round tender which is three and a half million and phillip lindsay holy cow. This is you know the unknown of phillip lindsay is pretty incredible For me what i'm doing. This is easy. I'm throwing a second round tender on in three and a half million dollars And then can figure out the long term plan in a couple of months or after this year but you again you can't just the lindsay walk and if you don't put a second round tender on him you're essentially letting him walk. You put an original round tender anything like that. He will not be denver bronco anymore. And that doesn't make sense phillip lindsay Is worth three and a half million on a one year deal so you do that. And that's what. I expect the broncos to do as well but any long-term deals i. I haven't heard that there's any talks going on. It's such a weird i know. Philip had some injuries and he didn't. He didn't live up to the hype from his first two years with denver but we go from last year before the season starts with elway talking about. Oh yeah we're gonna we're gonna. We're gonna get something done with philip but now we're talking this year maybe as ed who knows But it's amazing how One year one offseason from last year changes things. Yeah really and i mean you have philip coming out this offseason and saying you know his displeasure with Some of the offensive calls and his role in the offense. It really hasn't been any positive sign on phillip lindsay in the broncos staying together for the long term really for the past year. Like you said brady. That was the only thing we heard phillip lindsay signing a long term deal. Was john elway saying that they're going to look into it. And that was it. The the there was nothing further beyond that. And that's been over a year now sack one more for you. Have you heard anything per your sources. You're close to about houston and the show watson situation does look like deshaun watson doubling down after meeting with the head coach last week saying still wanting out but houston standard. Pretty from. what's what's going. How's this thing going to end. Yeah sit back and wait. Unfortunately that's that's not what anyone wants to hear what the situation but The texans are digging in just as much as shawn watson digging in and the situation should and right around the draft will it. I don't know man. That the texans the best thing that they can do for themselves and british on trade him Before or during the draft in a very interesting thing is if they trade him during the draft like win the draft going on they can acquire twenty twenty four first round draft. Pick so that would mean a team could then trade for first round picks in order to get him right now. A team can only twenty twenty one twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three draft picks. But once the i team is on clock then you can open up the twenty twenty four draft picks in order to trade. And maybe that's what the texans and gold truly is. Just wait until the draft collect all the offers and see if teams wanna throw four first round picks it them and so just puts it puts teams and weird positions. And you're going to see a couple of teams back out during free agency when they end up signing some guys I don't think that the broncos are gonna make any moves like that During free agency that totally. Take them out of the shawn watson sweepstakes the and from what i've heard is For my sources the broncos will be involved if the texan ever Allow him to be traded. The broncos will submit offer. That's gonna be interesting man like you said it's of it's must see something i don't know if it's must see tv or just must see must hear about zach stephen stuff each and every week. Dnv are broncos. Made love what you do. What are you working out for. So we can check out outbreak down. All the broncos unrestricted free agents restricted free agency. And what they're going to do with their own guys 'cause like i told you brady. That's where the money's going to be in this agency. Period is paying their own guys and also having to make some tough decisions on on guys that have been around for a long time. Yeah no it's it's heating up for sure my friend we'll We'll catch up with next monday right. I'm brady thanks have a great week. Youtube zak stevens. Denver broncos excellent stuff. There's always twelve fifty three time. We'll take a short break when we come back. Get to my game of the week things. We're talking about things heating up because we're getting spring mode. Whatever my game of the week man. This is another thing that's mountain. West conference is heating for sure. All right we'll we'll take a quick break here. Rely from the articles in specialist studios. It's all show powered by pd energy. Get your notepad ready. We're going to explain this mountain west conference situation. We'll be right back. 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March 1  Hour 1  Nuggets Crush Thunder, Is Jokic The Greatest Nugget of All Time? | Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos Calls In

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March 1 Hour 1 Nuggets Crush Thunder, Is Jokic The Greatest Nugget of All Time? | Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos Calls In

"Monday already man Time just keeps flying and it's marched. It's the first day of march. And i mean okay. Hold against bear with me for the last. I don't know four or five years. We've done our march madness bracket challenge through cbs sports. We used to be or we still aren't affiliate of cbs here. Kpfk carry some of their sports programming over the weekend. But they're not like the brackets are not open yet and they said they're still working on it so we we don't we if you haven't got an email from us yet. It's because of that so we were experimenting with. Espn today. and that's been a weird thing. So just hanging. Because i mean colefax last thing kovacs and i want to hand fill out brackets. No thing i think we do it at that point. It's just like no. I trust you. I trust you but we are going to keep registering people because we will make it happen. There will be an outlet. I mean do eating country eating country club and golf course to force them. Give away free golf for you to start the year off right coming up. I mean you could probably go. You can use it whenever even if it's cold We're getting a crp. Four by four waiting on their information. But i've heard maybe even a tv of some sort. We'll see a lot of great sponsors jumping in on this and we're excited about it so it's a gift package. Were working on and we do this every single year. And i think kovacs at i finished in the top five two years ago i i want to say that i got like third or something in this thing. You were up there. But i can't access it so there's no way to prove it. I mean i won three years ago. I was three years ago. We didn't we didn't record it though. I mean i remember it but it wasn't like being a anything on the whole thing though you did win the whole else right. You did and i was like well. I mean you know. We didn't do the brady colefax tell. Yeah there was no bet on it. We that you're out there. And then i lost. I think it was way down at the bottom. But you won the whole thing though. That's that's bigger than say so like evens out it does. It does even out average. I don't even who won. Because i was knocked out early pretty much because i took was that the year i took baylor to do some big things and they lost the first round and that really screwed me over. I can't remember. I can't remember. This is a fun time though is good so we're going to be registering people for that. Today i'm going to try to get five in today. So those of you that have registered. You probably got an email from espn today. I guess ignore it for now and we'll kind of keep you guys posted power to play sports poll question of the day and i listen. I asked this last year. It's worth asking again. Is nicola yokich already. The greatest denver nuggets of all time. Yes no or. He's in the top five now. If you're gonna go purely off of stats in history. Then you're going to say no you're going to go. Alex english like alex. English has all the numbers. He has all the records. I mean he owns the biggest records. I should say you know. Not not rebounds. You have danis with rebounds jokers right behind him. Yeah of alex. English assists alex english points. All the important is the most important. I mean percentages. And all that. You can't really like. I don't wanna look at percentages right now because jokers only half not even halfway through his career assuming he stays healthy and wants to stick around for a long time he is number one and triple doubles though and nobody else other than fat lever. Nobody else's even close this record for Joker nuggets is going to be untouchable. He has forty nine triple doubles already. He's played for what this is. Six season. fat lever had forty. Three next in line was matombo with eight. Alex english had five. So that is a that number right there. Yeah isn't that crazy. Look at how far because You know english wasn't rebounding and carmelo. Anthony wasn't getting assists so the alex english is fourth overall and rebounds. So i guess to say that he. But you know just didn't do it very off the triple doubles. I don't even know if they did. They were core those as much back then because it does seem like an obscure stat. Doesn't it well no fat lever. I mean he was in that time forty-three millet mellow. According to this again this is basketball. Reference dot com pretty. Damn reliable mellow only had one but again he's not he's not getting assists so that that number to me is up there. That's a big one points. Yeah joker has some work to do he is. He's eighth on the all time. Points list behind fat lever. Then there's byron back ralph simpson david thompson. Carmelo anthony. dan. Isel alex english with twenty one thousand six hundred forty five points. Joker is sitting at just over seventy three hundred points You've got alex english played. How many games about eight hundred. He played eight hundred and thirty seven games. Joker has played four hundred and fourteen right now. So if you double up right now you double up jokers games to get him close to that. Eight hundred mark. He's you know. And if he keeps this average appoints which again his point totals have grown every single year he would be on pace to according to where he is right now he'd be on pace to hit like fourteen thousand but i mean his point have gone up every single year. He's averaging more and more and more so to be fair. You kinda gotta look at the trajectory. He's on right now at this stage in. Probably gonna play for while i mean. He's this is all okay. This is his one two three four five six. This is his sixth season. So i would imagine he's going to have a pretty long career ahead of him and our guy harrison wind new nuggets insider forest from dnv nuggets jokers. Gonna be in it for the long haul here. He really believes that. So if that's the case. I guess the question is though is he. Is he right now. Is nicole catch the greatest denver nuggets of all time. And yes. You can go stats. Correct me if i'm wrong. Though and again. I know the ariza basketball but have the nuggets ever had a guy like in the campaign for mvp at this stage. Like so hobby. Mellow sure that. I'm sure it came up and i'm sure alex english came up but make no mistake about it. Nicola yokich is is deep in the campaign for mvp. So now i know. English has all the stats and all that. But how much do you give credit for. An mvp caliber year again jokers hasn't won anything. Denver has a lot of work to do to help make his case. You know they need to get. They need to get in that top five top top four even as far as playoffs go by games like tonight our big but yeah there's work to do but it's to me i mean. Have you ever had a player that does it all like this joker see alex. English owns all the stats. But it's important to note joker. Does it all english was better defensive player. Okay we'll give you that But joker doesn't always need to score a lot of points. He's as we see you know he's going to get assists. He's going to get rebounds. He does all for his team now. English was good. It was great but did he do everything i mean he did. He'd be leading in every category. 'cause joker is going to be leading in every category. If he retires nugget he will be the leader in damn near every category here. Maybe not like three point field goals. Three point percentage. But you have like. English is on the offensive rebounds. He's owns that record but overall rebounds is dan isel alex. English is sitting at number one in assist. So i mean he did get boards offensive boards for sure. But you gotta go all right. Well and i mean he he. It's kinda crazy to me. That english was number. One in offense boards but overall in defensive rebounds. It's dan so byron back to kim by matombo and then it's alex english. We'll keep in mind colfax to crack the top five in stats and record books for denver. Do you have to be a hall of famer for denver. We're talking not that great. Not that rich of a history to kim back played what five years. And he's third and rebounds so you gotta take some of these stats with a grain of salt. English owns all the records. But who else was competing with. I mean it's i know that's i know that sounds harsh nuggets fans and you're mad at that but mellow didn't play nearly as long. How long did it did alex. English actually play for denver. I mean he. He didn't start his career for denver. I mean all. Those numbers were accrued with denver. Though it's what we're talking about. He played four one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve about eleven twelve years mellow played with denver for seven. So i mean almost double you know. English had way more seasons with denver to acquire the staff so again alex english by rights is the guy in that conversation because mellow did play seven years for denver and then went on to do other things and get big numbers with the knicks and such. But when you say well. English owns all the records. Yeah he does twelve years joker right now. I mean who is the greatest nugget right now. Alex english nicole yokich if you could draft right now in your in their prime who you take alex english nicole yokich because i'm taking nicoli. Okay now folks and doesn't that answer the question who's the is nicole. Yokich the greatest nugget of all time right now and to okay brady. come on. You could take them now but in their prime. They're both in their prime who you take. And if the answer is nicole yokich. He's the greatest stats are not everything. Plus nicola hasn't been in the league. Long enough i i'm telling you there's nobody in the nba. Did i would trade nicole yokich for. I know that sounds crazy. A year ago. Modest said different. But i would not trade nicole yokich four at at this stage in their career. Like if you want to say. Lebron james prime. Although he's playing like he's in his prime that those are different but right now i believe nicole. Yokich is the best player in basketball. I'm probably a little biased. I i watch a lot. More joker games than i do. Anybody else a lot. More nuggets games than i do anybody else but i think i think it's a worthwhile poll quick question. It's fun mclean says yo. Yokich is not yet the best nugget of all time. Alex english had all eight. Had a all star appearances and yokich has had what three. Yeah three but three out of six halfway through his career half of his career has now been. He's going to be an all star so again. I ask the question as far as english. Joker i mean there's not. There's not a huge crowd of nuggets. That are going to be in this discussion. He's definitely top five. We put that in there. And if if you don't believe that you're crazy isn't a call yokich already. The greatest nugget of all time. No forty seven percent of the hooligans have voted to the whole show dot com to vote thirty one percent of the whole against saying yes. Twenty one say hey now but but he's the top he's a top five guy. We'll go there with you. He's on his way but we are comparing apples to oranges. When it comes to position possession position and era. Yeah but you you gotta do it. You gotta do it because at some point. Mclean on your deathbed. Someone who's gonna come up to you and say who's the greatest nugget of all time. You're not going to have enough time to say for some reason. That's the discussion. You're having under deathbed. You're not gonna have enough time to say well you know know you gotta go. Who is it. Who's the greatest nugget of all time. And is it already somebody. That's plain like joker gets hurt today. Knock on wood. You know hates it. And he's never able to be the same guy or even play again Would he go down as the greatest nugget of all time. I mean career-wise. He hasn't achieved as much as english. But damn near team wise. I mean an english and those denver nuggets went to a lot of play offs. So if you wanted to say that. Yeah sure i mean you can use that argument right now but also use the argument of. Who would you take in their prime. You get to pick. I want alexey like right now for the nuggets in their prime alex. English or nicole yokich. Today it's english when it's all said and done it should be joker but i also look at the fact that i mean joker spends a lot of his time now know english is there and assist. Joker spends a lot of time just trying to make his team better and obviously english holds that. But dude nicole just going to pass that record. So he's fifth all-time in assists already. That's kind of crazy right. Don't you give any owns it. But joker is passing. All of these. Michael adams dan isel. He's passing all of these greats every single year and he's only been i mean he's not even done with his sixth year yet. So alex english has thirty six thousand. Almost let's just say thirty seven thousand. That's round up thirty seven hundred. Thirty seven hundred assists. Fat levers at thirty five. Andre miller's at twenty nine tiles twenty-seven jokers at twenty three. He'll pass tyler larsen and and miller probably after next season so he'll probably jump into number. Three is far as soon as next season as once that year. End as far as total rebounds. He's gonna pass. He's number seven right now. He'll pass marcus camby up a great defensive player for denver in denver history. He'll pass can be up this year and move up to six jewish key and then alex english hill pass alex english shop probably next year. I mean if you let's say let's just quick math if he's averaging let's just say he's averaging nine seven thirty eight yeah he would pass. He'd pass alex english up and boards next year. If he keeps on this trajectory. He'll come he'll he'll he'll pass up. Marcus camby this year and then he'll go to more guys. He'll pass up mckay to kim by matombo in two three years than byron back. He'll pass dana nessel in four years again. Assuming everything goes goes right. And that's in total rebounds so no he doesn't own those records. He's not there yet. But yeah i'm i'm there with joker joker. Flying dutchman says joker no question hey flying dutchman and i agree on something damn that's a big take best all around guy right now in the nba but top five currently is arguable. I would say if he was a free agent the lakers would want him immediately or the mavs and they would walk away with the championship. I mean that's the other thing to put the joker on any of these teams like any of these teams. That are right there on the cusp. I seriously think if he's with the mavericks steams winning title this year joker right now. The nuggets have murray and again. I gotta say this. There was a great article in the denver. Post this morning by michael singer because murray kind of called out the defense saying hey we just don't have that guy and in fairness tim conley before all of us are so quick including myself are so quick to say we got to trade. We've got to trade. We've got to trade. We haven't had a chance to re paul millsaps harley. Playing gary harris is hardly playing dj. Michael greene was supposed to be the guy to make up for. Jeremy grant hardly playing. No that's an excuse and all the other teams have to go through it but it is what it is. These are guys on your roster. Michael green should be valuable player on this roster as crazy. I think it's a fun question. I mean i know that odds are people are going to english because if you look up every stat but i mean i'm taking if i'm drafting today in their prime. I'm taking nicole each and that to me says that he's the goat in terms of denver nuggets history and in fairness no. I didn't grow up watching. Alex my whole family that we might brother had an alex english jersey and was a big diet. My dad my brother. They were diehard. Alex english guys so i mean i grew up hearing off. We're never going to have a player like that. We're never ever going to have. And even when mel okay man it's like Although my dad kinda came around later he's like. I don't know what was just such a ridiculous scorer. But he wasn't overall the guy that english was defensive player and all that but i do think that joker makes everybody better. And these are the hidden stats. Colfax are the pass to set up the pass for the shot. You know like the third hockey. Assist the double assist. I do think that those are others. Things that go on go look noticed his ability to move the guys around. He's a piece of center that just that can play point guard. He brings the ball up and down the floor very versatile player twenty minutes after the hour. colfax When we come right back we'll get to our good the bad the ugly from the weekend that was Some great news too bad news and some really confusing news. That i'm just gonna make ugly. And i'll get your take on this because i've gone back and forth with this all day Pertaining to the mountain west conference twenty two minutes after the hour. It's the whole show powered by pd energy. We have the games go to thirteen ten. Kfi k dot com to see our preps college and pro game schedules. A northern colorado's voice thirteen ten k. f. k. What's happening in your own backyard. Listen to no co- now with tanner's swint a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Everybody this is dalton reisner to nineteen draft prospect out of wiggins colorado and. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten ks k after the hour. Welcome back zak. Stevens on from dnv broncos in just a moment talk about phillip lindsay. Tim patrick show. Here's a couple of other names outside of justin simmons. Will they be broncos. We'll get his thoughts there any movement on the shawn watson situation. Have my big story today. Comex jj watt going to arizona. Get into details on that so he decided to go to arizona. Cleveland i thought i was gonna ask. I thought they were going to land him. But there you go. jj watt. Let's get to the good the bad the ugly from the weekend that was The good hereafter a terrible loss to washington especially the way it went now. Nobody goes to the basket. Brawl upset by denver comes out against the thunder on the road. And i know the thunder. They're not a great team. But you gotta destroy a not. A great team won twenty six to ninety six. No catch caesar crease and score six hundred now. One out of nine from three and border junior has himself another trae a floater thereby jamal murray is good three or four lead to go in the third yokich gets it right back a hand winds up that three jamal murray playing these fourth quarter minutes here might be a little surprises. Denver's lead is at thirty one. As rj hampton just elevated up to the rim denver. Nuggets a wire-to-wire win here now. All right nuggets. Take care of it against the thunder. There you heard at joker with another triple double got his forty nine. Nineteen points thirteen assists eleven rebounds monster performance michael porter jr. with twenty jamal murray with twenty. This is the field good game you needed after the way that last one ended. Here's the bad. You're really needed. San diego state to split with boise state. You really did. Boys state forced overtime in game one and they came so close in game two and i still from alston go downhill will go bring back to legal. So i'm gonna outline this but that was bad because listen. The rams can still win the regular season title. They have to win out. And now san diego state there one game remaining on the road against unlv. But if if san diego state wins that game it's there's and going to outline all of that because a lot of a lot of the whole against the rams fans freaking out because whether both sitting at three Conference losses in the rams actually should get over. The amount of conference wins but their games. This week air force tonight new mexico wednesday and then nevada friday. They went all three of those that would put them at fifteen and three sago the best. They can fourteen to three not so fast. In new mexico games. Were not cova related. They were forfeits forfeits. Still keswick all right final story the day the ugly is that mountain west side of it. Now the ugly is because of what it means for the rams. Does it mean it's wrong. I mean colfax. If a team you're set to play against four the game what does that mean does it. Should it go down the records as a win for your team because you can't punish that other team you gotta if you're gonna forfeit and say now we don't we don't feel like we've got the guys cova depleted us. Whatever it wasn't cova related should should that other team be punished and just pretend it never happened if it's covert in their although here's my deal with that and again covert you can't really prevent but it's like man if you're not able to play a game should've just go down as a win and a loss on the other side on both because this is new mexico just up and deciding i don. I know there were rumors like new mexico. Just gonna four for the entire year But that's weird. It's still weird but yes if a member of the utah state situation on football when they just decided because there stuff going on they just didn't want to play the last game. We'll see you get that win. They were rewarded. That win football so can't be cool with it for football. If you're not cool with it for basketball it's still sucks. You still has a chance but they got to win three games. San diego state has to lose to unlv. Now that doesn't mean the rams still don't get into march madness. They probably need to go couple of ways that they probably need to go to and one in these next three and then win two games in the tournament first round second. What around went to games or if they go three and no meaning. They beat nevada quad team on friday. Then maybe they just have to win one. And that's kind of the scenario. Is that the the the movers and shakers are putting out there for the ramp. So very doable here. At least to get it. And that's what it's all about thirty two minutes after the hour when we come back. We'll talk broncos. I got zak stevens coming up from. Dvr broncos always good to catch up with him. any movement on the sean watson story Von miller justin simmons. Where are we on this. First day of march. We'll get to it but first. Let's get the latest on local sports flash here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Hey it's andrew bogusch from cbs. Sports radio listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi new welcome back to the show are live from the auto collision specialist studios with me. Now is our broncos insiders x. Stevens from dnv are does. Zack my friend a love. Get you on every monday. Because even even though we're in this weird off season it's it's it's absolutely entertaining to talk about to dream about what this denver broncos teams ultimately going to look like. There's a lot of things still to be sorted out Especially this this month. As we hit march i mean. There's there's a lot of things heating up. yeah let's go time in two weeks brady. The unofficial start of free agency starts two weeks from today. Pretty much to the minute right now and then of course march seventeenth which is that wednesday is teams can officially sign players and just with the way that the nfl has kind of moved to To these things in the past couple of years we're even getting news today coming out in the nfl which doesn't affect the broncos of course jj watt would that huge contract. Go into the cardinal. Yeah i mean you think about that. Yes. it's a it's a. It's an interesting move. It's a big move in the nfl. But you just said that is a big impact for for the broncos situation in von miller situation. Yeah it absolutely is. Jj watt a guy who you don't very similar kind of career path as von miller accolades von miller but he does not have that super bowl fifty. Mvp that von had j. jj j. watt in aging player. You've kind of seen his game the past couple of years in the past two years. Jj watt has nine total sacks. Brady von miller. The past two years has eight and a half accent. I mean we're we're talking about a very similar type of impact player. In of course bond missed all of last season but he only had eight and a half sacks that year before in two thousand nineteen and what type of deal was. Jj watt gonna get what. He seemed like he could choose the team. He wanted to go to Maybe was going to have to take a pretty big pay. Pay cut if you went to a true contender this year but instead he went out and he got paid and man. I mean the cardinals are going to be very very interesting team this year. But how it affects. The broncos is okay a lot of people now believe that fifteen and a half million that. Jj watches got two years. Thirty one million is kind of what the the the lower for von miller this year In in the broncos trying to potentially renegotiated deal with them and radi in my mind. I thought that the broncos were going to try to get to take pretty much a fifty percent pay cut He was he was scheduled to make eighteen million dollars this year. I thought they were gonna wanna put them right around ten eleven million. This would say that that's not going to happen. So would at three million dollar discount be enough for the broncos to keep on miller around. Personally i don't think so. I think they're looking for a bigger bigger pay cuts in that. If was john always decisions. Still do you think that there'd be a better chance that denver would would go with a fifteen and a half million type deal Million dollar type deal for von yup absolutely. I think that with john elway. We have seen even though there was crop gate a couple of years ago in the contract negotiations. We've seen john elway. Stick by von miller. No matter what i mean. They had a contract option in his contract last year to and the day after the season ended john. Elway said nope. We're picking it up and completely just kabosh. Any ideas of the broncos moved on from From bonn last year now with payton. There's no emotion. Attached von miller was john always first draft pick number two overall helped him deliver The super bowl fifty was the biggest reason for that as the mvp award show. George payton has no emotional attachment with that. So i think That that george isn't going to go to the extent that that elway was zak. Stevens joining us from denver. Broncos and zack as we approach free agency here. How aggressive are the broncos going to be. Obviously we know they have to take care of their own situations. I with guys like justin simmons and we'll see what happens with lindsay as we just talked about von schober. Here's a lot of names. But how aggressive do you see them getting outside of their own camp knowing that there's still this maybe possibility of trading the farm away to get to shawn watson because you want to be careful you don't wanna get too many contracts in here and then you you. Maybe the trade could happen and now you're in trouble. Yeah and that's what's so tough about this shawn watson scenario or if russell wilson becomes available one of those guys it really makes you. Okay do you. Do you plan for that. Potentially opening up you move on from that and try to move things in the future but brady icy this broncos free agency really being about keeping their own gut they have forty five million dollars in cap space right now after moving on from durell casey last week which put them in the top five teams for having the most caps entering free agency. But when you look at it if they pay justin simmons fifteen million dollars a year if they pay shelby harris around ten million dollars year. Boom it now. Twenty five of your forty five million has gone. He got about ten million dollars for the draft class. There's thirty five million and then you can use that ten million dollars to you. Know put put a tender a second round tender on. Tim patrick a second round tender on phillip lindsay. And then there you go. There's your team we haven't even talked about signing any other free agents. Now if you move on from von miller you up eighteen million dollars in cap space. That's the money that you would use in free agency to go get maybe one big name a fifteen million dollar player or you can go out and get a couple of five ten million dollar players there so this free agency. While the broncos do have a lot of money i expected to be spent internally zach so obviously number one priorities justin simmons right yup get him taken care of. That's number one. What's the number two is it. Is it getting a guy like shelby. Harris locked up getting von miller dealt with one way or the other. What's what's the second priority for the broncos. I really think that's second. Priority is shelby harris after moving on from drill. Casey last week. You have one true defensive end on your roster and that's draymond jones and you feel very comfortable and draymond jones. It seems like he is very much going to be a starter for you team. But then you have mike pursell It the nose tackle. Who's coming off a pretty significant injury especially for a guy who's thirty years old right now. That's something that you can't overlook the broncos are going to count on him With the contract they gave him master. They're counting on him to be a starter. But you kinda have to have another option there. They do like mattel mctelvin. Gene there At who was a rookie last year. But you gotta add a another great player on that defensive line and shelby harris the guy. That's already in your backyard right there. So might as well keep him and then expect them to make another move on the defensive line whether it's the draft or whether it's free agency but i would expect a good investment in shelby in. That's why he's the number two priority. So okay justin simmons shelby harris and i agree you. Gotta you gotta take care of those guys. I love watching both those guys play. We know justin simmons's is. I definitely big time on the priority list. How about let's go to. Let's go to your top five three four five. What's next for denver. Oh boy like you said. Von miller figuring out that because it's not necessarily keeping von around or not. It's knowing how much money you're going to have to work with a hard deadline coming up with him in less than two weeks. Actually right around. Two weeks brady deciding on what you do with him Whether you have twenty million dollars to spend in like. I said if you're going to spend money on outside guys it's going to be with bond miller's contract right there unless you're not going to get a deal worked out with justice simmons which from this list is clearly not the priority there so figuring out what to do there and then what's he's sneakily comes on. This list is figuring out kardashian. Jackson because kareem jackson has a team option. He has absolutely lived up to his his three year. Thirty three million dollar deal. He signed two years ago but brady. Are you going to pay to safeties over. Twenty five million dollars. Not only is that a lot for the safety position if you do end up paying. Justin simmons twenty five million dollars or fifteen million dollars a year but also this is if you go back and historically look vic fangio has taken bad safeties and made them good. He's taking good safeties and made them great and he's taken great safeties and made them elite so this the value really may not be there if you decline kareem jackson's option. There's about ten million dollars in cap space that frees up as well silk that becomes a very tricky situation right there because you love the player kareem then this would have nothing to do with him but can especially in the capsule neighbor going to be about one hundred eighty million. Can you do that. That is going to be tough because if you keep kareem on you have the best safety duo in the nfl. But if you do pick up that option and then hope to sign for a deal what have you. I mean that does put you in a tough spot as you start looking at other contracts and other big time moves going forward. You're right that'd be a lot Shelling out for one position essentially. Yeah exactly and then let's round out the top five and of course quarterback has to be in there and if they have their eyes set on a big time quarterback then of course. That's the number one priority. But just where the broncos are right now thinking about. You know potential veteran hedge. If that's the route if they're gonna go after one free agency. It's probably going to be a hedge and so of course that's in your top. Five is well interest. Justin simmons shelby harris von miller. Kareem jackson course the quarterback position outside of big time guys like shawn watson russell. Wilson should be interesting man. How about these other guys on the list. Not i agree. I wouldn't consider these guys your top five priorities but priorities. Nonetheless phillip lindsay. Tim patrick another big name on that list what do you. What do you see the future for both of those guys. Yeah both very interesting. Because you're not going to let tim patrick. Just walk right now. You would get nothing for him And he he is way to valuable to just let him leave. But is a guy that you have in your long term plan. The broncos of said absolutely not by the move. They've made And so are you really gonna pay a guy A lot of money to stick around for for the long term when he's not in those plants. No you're not so what you're gonna do is you're going to throw a second round tender on 'em it's gonna cost you three and a half million dollars this year and he's going to be a fantastic fantastic depth feet. He's also going to see the field because he's a very good player. But you're not gonna sign him to a long term deal. Then he leaves this year he goes and gets a big deal somewhere because he can play Or you look to trade him this year for me if you can get a second if you get a day two pick for him you do that in a heartbeat But if not then you let them walk and maybe you get a third round compensatory pick next year but you can't just let him walk right now you gotta pay him that second round tender which is three and a half million and phillip lindsay holy. Cows is it. The unknown of phillip lindsay is pretty incredible You for me. what i'm doing. This is easy. I'm throwing a round tender on three and a half million dollars And then you can figure out the long term plan in a couple of months or after this year but you again you can't just lindsay walk and if you don't put a second round tender on him you're essentially letting him walk. Do you put an original around or anything like that. He will not be a denver bronco anymore. That doesn't make sense. Phillip lindsay is worth three and a half million on a one year deal. So you do that. And that's what. I expect the broncos to do as well but any long-term deals. I haven't heard that there's any talks going up boy. It's such a weird deal now. I know philip had some injuries and he didn't. He didn't live up to the hype from his first two years with denver but we go from last year before the season starts with elway talking about. Oh yeah we're gonna we're gonna. We're going to get something done with philip. But now we're talking this year. Maybe as ed who knows But it's amazing. How one year. One offseason from last year changes things. Yeah really and i mean you have philip coming out this off season and saying you know his displeasure with Some of the offensive calls and his role in the offense it. It really hasn't been any positive sign on phillip lindsay and the broncos staying together for the long term really for the past year. Like you said brady. That was the only thing we heard of phillip lindsay signing a long term deal. Was john elway saying that they're going to look into it and that was it. Th there was nothing further beyond that. And that's been over a year now one more for you. Have you heard anything per your sources or anyone. You're close to about houston in the the shawn watson situation Does look like to shawn watson doubling down after a meeting with the head coach last week saying still wanting out but houston standing pretty firm. What's what's going. How's this thing going to end. Yeah sit back and wait. Unfortunately that's not what anyone wants to hear what this situation but The texans are digging in just as much as the shawn watson. Digging and situation should end right around the draft willett. I don't know man. The the texans the best thing that they can do for themselves and for sean is to trade him up before or during the draft in a very interesting thing if they trade him during the draft like win the draft is going on they can acquire twenty twenty four first round draft pick so that would mean a team could then trade for first round picks in order to get him right now. A team can only trade twenty twenty one twenty twenty two twenty twenty three draft picks but once the i team is on the clock then you can open up the twenty twenty four draft picks in order to trade. And maybe that's what the texans and gold truly is is just to wait until the draft collect all the offers and if teams throw four first round picks at them and so it just puts it puts teams and positions. And you're going to see a couple of teams backout during free agency when they end up signing some guys I don't think that the broncos are gonna make any moves like that During free agency that totally take them out of the shawn watson sweepstakes and from what i've heard is For for my sources the broncos will be involved if the texan ever Allow him to be traded. The broncos will submit an offer. That's gonna be interesting man like you said it's a it's it's a must see something i don't know if it's must see tv or just must see must hear about mushrooming zak stevens stuff each and every week. Dvr broncos man love what you do. What do you working on four. So we can check out out breaking down. All the broncos unrestricted free agents restricted free agency. And what they're gonna do with their own guys 'cause like i told you brady. That's where the money's going to be in this free agency period is paying their own guys and also having to make some tough decisions on guys that have been around for a long time. No it's heating up for sure my friend. We'll we'll catch up with your next monday right. I'm thanks have a great week zak stevens. Dr broncos excellent stuff. there's always twelve fifty three the time. We'll take a short break when we come back to my game of the week things that we're talking about things heating up because we're getting spring mode or whatever My game of the week man. This is another thing. This mountain west conference is heating up for sure. All right. we'll we'll take a quick break here. Live from the article is in special studios. It's the show powered by pd energy. Get your notepad ready. We're going to explain this mountain west conference situation where back you're listening to the hall's show powered by pd energy and thirteen ten kfi k. Brady will be back after the break up. Party in northern colorado's force thirteen ten kfi k. The block party wednesdays from four to ten pm everybody. This is dalton reisner. Two thousand nineteen draft prospect out of wiggins colorado and. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten ks k. Welcome back to the show. Oh my goodness we blew through that first our colfax. Wow zak stevens bring in the noise there. A lot of priorities but there's x. priority list. I'm going to tweet that out later. Justice simmons shelby harris von miller kareem jackson. And if you're not going for the shawn watson which i don't i just again million times over. Don't don't see it happening for denver Then a quarterback like a bridge not abridge guy but somebody that could come in and be a potential backup if things really go south for drew lock. So yeah that's going to be on the priority list to phillip lindsay. Tim patrick all those guys hopefully work something out. I'd rather see them in broncos uniforms in the second hour coming up we'll get into the mountain west. We'll get to my game of the week. We'll get to more on Nicola kitchen the denver nuggets planning the bowls. Tonight we'll be right back.

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RTCD #170:  Week 13 College Football Preview

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

34:42 min | 3 years ago

RTCD #170: Week 13 College Football Preview

"Four cell phone code one strike and listen to Russ stuck in Philadelphia Eagles film junkie. Fran. Duffy breakdown the top college prospects on another tasty edition of the college draft. Yes. Daddy, soda time. And it is the college draft podcast. And this is insane. Because we are going into week thirteen the twelve game for almost every team. Not all but almost every team and it's rivalry weekend. It's really the end of the season for the most part next week. We'll have conference championship games. Army navy then we will get into both. I'm trying to get sad to be honest with you because we know how many months we have of no football hard to believe here. We are at week thirteen when I say we I mean Fran Duffy at FTSE three does such a terrific job as the film. Delfi eagles video scouting guru. Really enjoy hearing his thoughts on the best college players each and every week what he saw from the week that was who we need to watch out for in the week. That will be I'm Ross Tucker at Rostock Renna fell former NFL ofensive Lyman, you can of course, always check me out on Twitter and Instagram at Ross, Tucker NFL or on Facebook Facebook dot com slash Ross. Tucker and fell France. Let's get into it. Let's start with just some of your quick reactions to last week's games. What did you watch and what stood out here? Yeah. You know, it was kind of build as a boring weak of house football. But you and I both know Ross there's no such thing as a boring weak of college football. So there were a couple of games that I was kinda tuned into you. Gotta love what Washington state and Mike Leach have done this year. In Gardner Minhsiu the quarterback. There has got to be one of the best stories in college football. He set a school record was seven touchdowns on Saturday night. If they went on Friday night against Washington and the apple Cup. We'll move onto the Pac twelve title against Utah. I'm not sure that anybody would have predicted that championship game back in the preseason. You look in the big twelve. Yeah. Texas got a big win against Iowa State twenty four ten I've got questions about Sam etlinger as far as being a pro prospect. I haven't studied him yet. But that's just the sense watching him on TV. But those receivers for the longhorns really appear to be pretty impressive Colin Johnson's a big body kid looks pretty savvy as a rat run or watching on TV and then little Jordan Humphry. You know, he's he brings them some juice as well on the outside. And then, you know, I'm always a big fan of of upsets in college football. I got admit I was kind of pulling for Maryland there in the noon games on Saturday afternoon. I turned that game on in the fourth quarter. And after Ohio State had to fight tooth and nail. So that touchdown to open overtime Maryland comes back like score on the first play. And I got to say, I know it's easy to say this point, you know, to Heinz. Being twenty twenty but I would have kicked their forced Ohio State at try and score. Again. I don't know how you saw about it. But they end up failing on the two point conversion the play call. There was great the receiver was wide open the back of quarterback just missed him and the types fall. But with how easy the turps made. It seem overtime like I almost say like, let's make a high stake. Do it again just kind of up the stress level and there's on there. And but it was a good day college football. Yemen. I had a chance to see Miami play Virginia Tech in person. And that was watching a lot of that Ohio State Maryland game on TV before my game. And first of all it was great to be at lane stadium down in Blacksburg incredible environment when the hokies enter the field, they say, it's even more intense for a night game. But just the whole crowd jumping up and down really really something truly cool and unique, and I can see why people love being a part of it. But during the actual game, man. It was the Miami defense that stole the show. We'll say this. There's a kid I want you to keep an eye on redshirt sophomore wide receiver. I probably mentioned this after the Florida state game for Virginia. Tech name Damon Hazelton that he'll be a name to watch going into next year. But was to me from this game friend. I mean, Miami has pros everywhere. On defense everywhere. I mean, it was you know, Joe Jackson at one end. He's a junior Jonathan Garvan who they tell me they think he'll be a first round pick the sophomore D end on the other side, Gerald Willis number nine, obviously having an unbelievable year as defensive tackle the linebacker trio is very good. Was thoroughly impressed by shack quarter min his range and interception almost took back to the house. But I think what's out to me almost more than any of that friend was actually Miami's DB's. I mean, really, you know, they're very hyped up. Jakulan johnson. Michael Jackson, two of the fourteen semi finalists for the Thorpe. Award. Jackson has not had as good of a senior year as he did last year. But he's still has impressive size made a number of really nice plays in the ball to Kwan Johnson was everywhere and Frank. Between him wearing number four and Jeff Thomas on offense for the hurricanes wearing number four. They've got some explosive play makers Sheldrick wed Ryan red wine made some play. He's a junior that's played. Well, and they get a little corner trade in bandy number two. Only a sophomore he made all kinds of plays in this game and really has all year. So I was impressed for sure by the Miami defense. I would imagine a good chunk of those guys are going to play on Sundays. We'll see how many get drafted. We'll see how many stick, but Virginia Tech has seven guys. Fran from last year's defense that our own fell rosters right now seven, and that's one of the reasons why they're just frankly, not as good I think Miami has the potential to a year from now us be saying that they've got five or six guys with Jackson. And Johnson and Willis and we'll see if Jackson the D N goes pro and quartered on. We'll see what happens some of these juniors. But they have a lot of future pros that I'm guessing are locked in in part because of omega six cognitive boost cognitive boost is the boost you need to get their look, it's not about ten cups of coffee. It's not about crushing coffee or five hour energy. At least give something like this try that has alpha and omega omega threes. You've heard all about them critical to brain health it. They also have alpha-gpc in him. It's all about years of clinical research, and you know, how I feel about stuff like this. The key is the two powerhouse ingredients, but the sixty day money back guarantee. So they're giving you a chance to get it for sixty percent off a one month. Supply when you go to Olmecs boost dot com slash draft today to get that sixty percent off so omega six boost dot com slash draft. That gets you the sixty percent off. And then you get to sixty day money back guarantee. O M A X B O S T dot com slash draft. So I also wanted to get into with you some of these other games. But also, we we gotta get into some of the senior bowl acceptances. We've got some guys that are starting to accept them. So again, I saw on the opener against Penn State. Jalen more from apps state is first up the running back. Yeah. He's five ten two hundred and ten pounds. And I watched him his junior season. When I watched them, I saw an explosive athlete, and he's got straight line speed the burn. He's got the ability to pick up chunks of yardage in a hurry. I think he's got solid vision overall as a runner, and I think he can be an effective one cut guy on. Outside zone scheme to the next level. He runs behind his pads, you rarely gets knocked backwards. He packs a little bit more punch than I thought when I first turn the tape on. Honestly, any of the big concerns? I do have are really I guess it would start with the ability to make that first man miss from what I saw from him as a junior. He did struggle to do that he's strong. But too often he would go down on first contact. I think he'll be that type of back Ross, honestly for people that are, you know, fancy football people right now, you know, he's going to be a product of scheme and usage and line play the next law. I think if he lands in a position where there's opportunity I think he will be an intriguing player, but I'm not sure that he's going to be. He's quite talented enough to be a primary back. I think he's not quite dynamic enough to be a satellite player. He's he's an intriguing player. I like the way that he plays keep in mind too that he just missed he missed time as a junior last year and he missed most of this season with an injury as well. I think it was a foot issue so medically. There's some concern there as well. He's got a lot that he can prove he can come back healthy for this game. It's just a matter of if that's going to happen in late January. How 'bout LSU tied in foster Moreau? Yeah. He's one of my favorite tight ends that I studied so far, you know, he's six four he's over to fifties. Got long arms. He's not going to be a certify pass catching threat. I think he's a marginal athlete, but he's got reliable hands. Each is not a mismatch guy in space, but the area where I think he really offers. The most value is as a blocker. He's really really competitive is used in a lot of different ways throughout his career as a blocker. He works hard to finish. And everything that he does if he can just get better route runner, I think there's some starting potential there at the end of the day. I do think he's probably more of a solid backup quick note on him to I talked with his former quarterback Danny at link back at the combine last year. It was just asking you who who are the guys down the road, and he really hyped up borrow to me as a guy on that LSU roster that would transition well to the NFL, and I think he was spot on without assessment. I really like Morrell I think he's definitely gonna to leak. What about? Guy. No you like you've talked about as well Kentucky. Josh allen. Yeah. Honestly, he's one of the most improved players in college football this year. I remember watching him early in the summer because remember he was getting like top half of the first round buzzing mock Trask back in like may and June watch this kid, and I came away. Just I was left wanting. Yeah, I saw skinny edge guy was kind of a jack-of-all-trades master of none. He would drop back in coverage and look pretty fluid moving a reverse. He would stretch a set a strong edge in the run game. He used his hands while at the point of attack. He'd get after a quarterback, but he wasn't really polish with anything. He did. And he lacked the power to collapse the pocket consistently. He was like two thirty playing as a junior last year fast forward. Now, a few months he packed over twenty pounds of muscle this offseason. So he's up a little bit over to fifty. He's also little bit more refined with his hands as a pass rusher. So you're talking about a kid now who's six three six four. He's over to fifty. I like his get off you can win with speed. But he can also win with power now as well that extra weight gives them a little bit more pop on contact push the pocket. His rush skill. I think is still a little bit of a work in progress. But the tools are there. And I thought one thing that Scott's and evaluators are going to love as well, especially the old school guys are that a lot of this production. This year is coming in crunch time late and gains when his defense needs a big play. He's coming up with a sack or a sack fumble and giving the ball back to his offense for a guy who racked up last year. Six of his seven sacks in the first half of the season. And just really fell off down the stretch last year. It seems like they put more of a priority on him on finishing this off season. And that's shown up Allen has really helped himself. I would think he's right up there with guys like quitting Williams. I've really just kind of improved their stock from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen and I think he's got the to further do that down in mobile. I'm really really excited to see him in person because he's a guy who plays as a three four outside linebacker. I think a lot of teams are going to say that. Yeah, he can do that. But also he can be. That premier pass rusher from three point stance. Actually, like a more is a pass rusher with his hand in dirt. But certainly has the ability to move in reverse a linebacker as well. So he's just a very very intriguing player that you know, if you would ask me two months ago is he going to go in the first round. I would say no, I really don't see it. Now. I think there's a pretty good chance based off what I've seen so far in two thousand eighteen what about Texas Charles Amon who? Yeah. Different kind of guy for sure I mean, this is a big bodied kid. He's over six five. He's just under two hundred and eighty pounds. He's got a freak show. Wingspan? I have to key in a little bit more on his senior film. But this is a big strong powerful kid. He does he does not win with athleticism off the edge. But he can certainly play the rod, and he could certainly collapse the pocket I like him best as defensive end to can play the run on early downs. And then I think down the road maybe offer a little bit of of pass rush value from the inside he's a high floor player to me. It doesn't have a really high ceiling. But I bet a lot of teams view him as a potential started. Because he fits. A lot of teams look for physically on the edge. I liked the way he plays. And he's he's shown up every time. I've watched Texas this year as well. What about some smaller school guys that are getting Old Dominion ocean? Say his last name is his last name because the minis za minis Charleston, West Virginia D line, John Kamensky, New Mexico state linebacker, Terrel Hanks. Yeah. Yeah. In the senior bowl is always good it on earth thing. Some of those guys. Phil savage or now, Jim Nagy. They they've got a great network of scouts around the league. And they talked to those guys and say, hey, who do you want to see on the big stage who do you wanna see down there? And so they're able to find some of these small school guys and Zimin as is really been on the radar since the spring. I think when you talk about Old Dominion quietly put guys into the league over the last couple of years. So there's been some buzz about him. And when you talk about pass rush plan. I think this kid's got a pretty good one. He uses his hands. Pretty well. He mixes in a lot of different pass rush. Moves he flashes. That ability win with power. He is a little bit stiff, and he doesn't have the greatest first step. So the upside is a bit of a question, Mark. But he's been productive. I think he's going to stick in the league. I am excited to watch them on film from this year. And then you talk about the Charleston, West Virginia, kid, John Kaminsky. I knew nothing about this kid before he was announced with a senior bowl. So I made it a point to go and watch him as soon as he was announced. And here's all you need to know he showed up on campus as a two hundred and eighteen pound option quarterback out of small town, Ohio. Five years later here today. He's six foot five two hundred and eighty five pound defensive end in their three four scheme. He lines up everywhere on that d- line. He's been crazy productive throughout his career. He plays with a really high motor. And he's got the strength to hold up pretty well at the point of attack. As is typically the case with any small school guy with Kaminski it's going to come down to how he's going to show up and make sure you kinda show that you belong. He dominated his level of competition. He stands out as soon as you turn the tape on each just bigger and faster than everybody else with of the two level, which is what you need to see. Now, it's going to be all about. How's it gonna look what he's taking on an offensive lineman from Alabama or Wisconsin? Or Clemson or Mississippi State that's going to be the question last year the kid from Ford. Hey state Nathan shepherd. He really stood out down at the senior bowl. And that helped him put them in day two of the draft. We'll see if Kaminsky can do the same in January. But I think that the tools are there for an intriguing player. And then you mentioned tarot Hanks from New Mexico state. I I like to skip back in the summer. We talked about him when we did our preview of the top. Spects outside of the power five because I watched his junior film. I liked him. I saw athletic kid. He can line up wherever you need a linebacker to up and he can make plays from sideline to sideline. I think he's built for today's NFL from a physical standpoint. My biggest concern, honestly, outside of the fact that he's only thirty was that. I don't think he always took great angle. So the football, and he did find himself out of position a little more than I would have liked. But overall, he's athlete. He's explosive. He's physical. There's a lot there to work with. I think he's got three potential in the NFL. Finally, what about Houston cornerback is Ahah Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this kid I watched him over the weekend for the first time. He's a pretty intriguing kid. I actually talked to his defensive coordinator over the course of the summer marked off Rio. And I talked a lot about Oliver. And you got a sense of what was off the field. And just ask them. You know, hey, who are you excited about Johnson is one of the first players? He brought up. He's got impressive size. He's six to two hundred pounds got long arms. He's got the speed to recover. Vertically? Make plays down the field. He's a former lied out there in Houston. So not only can he go up and play the ball. But I was particularly impressed with his feel for route concepts down the field and deep zone coverage as well. Now, I do think he's a little bit. Stiff has changed direction. Skills are a little bit of a question. Mark for me. I washed three games. I'm not quite sure how much of that is physical. How much of it is mental and just trusting what he's seeing says he's still adjusting to play in the corner spot. But you know, big long kids with boss skills. We say this all time whereas with corners, if you're tall and your long, and you've got boss kills and you can run typically those guys don't fall too, far even. If there really raw. So I could see a team seeing him as a day to pick even though he may not quite be ready to play right away. The traits are there to the point where if he has a really really good week. I bet he could start hearing from top fifty buzz. Like, I really I really do think that then again, he could go down there and go the other way too. So I think this is a really really big week for him. When it's all said and done, let's get to some other invites you can just rattle off. And then we'll get into some of the other news around college football. Yeah. You know, the Penn State quarterback trace McSorley, he reportedly got an invite nor wet northwestern quarterback Clayton Thorson gotten invite. I think probably got better tools McSorley, certainly has been the better college player over the course of his career. So it'll be interesting to see those two guys side by side. I'm assuming that they would both be on the north squad. Umass wide receiver. Andy Isabela got invited. Not an official acceptance yet. Do this kid is intriguing man. I just why we talked about him last week in the matchup for Georgia. He was really productive. And again, like sixteen catches against Georgia this week, but Isabelle as an intriguing guy. Oh, man. I mean, he's quick. He's explosive. He tracks the ball. Well in the air. I think he's got some savvy to them as a route runner. He's small that's going to be the big question is size is going to be a concern. And I do think, you know, his hands. There are a lot of double catches on film. So that's going to be the one interesting thing seeing him in person obvious to see the official measurements of his hands. When they do come in at the senior bowl because look hand size. We said it's all the time when it comes to measurable. It's not an issue until it's an issue. And I do think that there are some times where he can be a little bit questionable at the catch points. So something interesting to watch their with Isabelle offensive, line wise. There's a small school kid Titus Howard from Alabama state that I haven't dug into yet. But I've heard some good things there. Kansas state's Dalton Richner you. And I both watched him over the summer, we weren't as hired him as others. But he he's still being mentioned in first rounds of mock draft, which I still not quite sure that I see northern Illinois MAC Scharping as well. He had a couple of big time games this year against Florida state and some other big time schools so interesting to see that some of that matchup off the edge Michigan's. We've talked a lot about him Carl Granderson from Wyoming has a pretty good first step, and it has the ability to bend. The you talked about Miami, D tackle, Gerald Willis earlier. He got invited to the game. I'm sure he'll be down there. That'll be a big opportunity for him both on and off the field and then the two corners. We just talked about a couple of weeks ago temples Rocky's in the transfer from Presbyterian, and then Penn State's Amani or awas the first year starter there for the line. So we're seeing a lot of invites role in I heard about the Delaware safety, nausea, Adderley that a he just accepted, actually just recently. So I watched that kid late in the summer early in the fall and based off his junior fill. This is a Philly kid. I was pretty intrigued with what? So I've gotten word that some scouts were really high on him. This is a kid who's built like a corner. He started his career at the blue hands as a corner. So he's got that skill set. He's still young only be a twenty year old rookie, but he's athletic. He reads routes well from the secondary's a four year starter. I can't wait to watch them this year and get a better sense of how he saw things from the safety spot. And how he ran the alley. I thought that they were starting traits there with that kid so zero from Delaware as well as a guy to watch he's going to be down there in mobile. So there's a couple other topics. We need to bring up for in an I thought one of the most interesting things that happen in college football from draft perspective last week was Thursday night. When Ed Oliver and major Applewhite got into a little tiff on the sideline over him wearing a jacket that suppose the only for guys that are playing in the game. Major Applewhite kind of try to tug it off of them and Oliver supposed left the stadium at halftime curious to get your thoughts friend. Well, you know, it's it's funny because I mentioned earlier that I talked with Mark dantonio the defense coordinator that I was an interview we did over on the journey of the draft podcast back in the summer and everything I've read and everything from talking with the with coach about him is that you know, he's a blue collar kitties kitties, a really hard worker. So this this occurrence. Honestly, kind of caught me off guard. I wasn't really expecting something like this, and I caught up on on Friday morning and just kind of took all that it. I don't I don't know what your overall thoughts are looks like he's obviously competitive, and I there's there's a lot of details that we're not going to know because we don't know how healthy at Oliver is. Or isn't. We know Houston hasn't had quite the season that they expected it's late in the year. Does he want to go out and risk of self is if he's not one hundred percent healthy? Then again, it was also like fifty degrees. Like, do you need the big jacket? Like, I don't know. It's. It's an interesting situation. I get what mitt where it major Applewhite's coming from. Because you don't want to try and say that this kid's above everybody else. If you're telling everybody else on the sideline not to wear that jacket. Why should never be able to wear the jacket? It's it's a tough situation. I I don't know what your overall what was the first thing that went through your mind when you first saw it thought it was a real bad look for both of them. That should not be handled on the sideline like that. Thought may drop a white trying to tug it off was a really bad. Look them. Them going at each other is a bad. Look, I don't know how that helps major Applewhite with recruiting when the best player may be like in school history. You're kind of embarrassing on national television. That's very smart. I mean handle it at halftime. I thought would have been much better way to go about it, you know, behind closed doors, and Fred Oliver, you know, I don't know enough to know about what the rules are what he was told. But here what anybody says, it's a lot more in my guests about the fact that he wasn't playing then the jacket. I don't care what major Applewhite says, my guess is. It was a lot about the fact that Ed Oliver's now playing, and I think the fact that he left the stadium is probably not a good look now. I also think you know, he's handling it a little differently. I don't know if he'll play again this year. I tend to doubt it, and it almost feels like it'd be better cleaner. Whatever if you. Did the Nick Bosa and just made it known? You know, it's like where he's seen on the field before the game. Throwing around the football jumping around having fun. He's got the knee injury. Just not it's not a great look for him right now. We know that was Mike MacIntyre fired. Or just report that he's going to be. I think it might be reports I have to look at. I know I saw the news go across the ticker like a million times on Sunday. So. It seems like that's what's going to happen. And if that's the case the one guy to keep an eye on would be the quarterback, Stephen Montesquieu's, a junior talented kid. I haven't studied them yet. But I've heard a lot of good things. I know our buddy Greg Cosell was really intrigued by Montas studying over the summer. So he's a name to watch. They've got a couple of guys on defense that are younger as well to keep an eye on the potential guys declare but Montas will be the big name. Any other guys got chance to study recently? Yeah. The one guy that I really feel like I need to bring up before we get into matchups this week is Washington state's left tackle, Andre Dillard. Look, I did it a couple of weeks ago where I went through his film. I was really really impressed. He's a three year starter on the blindside athletically. I was just so impressed with how under control he was. I like his feet I like balance he's a natural need bender. He's never on the ground. He's used to playing on an island there as well. Because of those wide splits in that air raid offense with Mike Leach up front. He sees things. Really quickly impasse, bro. I love the how uses his hands in the passing game. He's got a heavy punch. When he gets his hands on defenders usually the battles over the questions with him. I think or that he can play a little bit straight legged at times a little bit high part of that is that they never have him. Just put his hand in flag football. So some people are going to questionably to play out of a three point stance, which whatever it is. You know, some guys that turns some people off, but depending on the scheme they on the coach that could be an issue in the run game. I think he can be. A little bit slot with his hands as well. He's not really like a true glassy eater kind of Mahler in the run game. So that may rub people the wrong way. But I really really liked the kid. I he I think he's going to be a good starter at the left tackle or guard. I could see some people like him inside. But this is this is a good player. I think he's a first second round type of town. Well, there's going to be a lot of first second round type of talent on display Thursday Friday Saturday, it'll be a veritable Schwarz's board of college football rivalry games. Having a chance to play in a bunch of ivory games in my life. Man. There really is nothing. Like, let's go head to head. And by the way, you can bet on all of these rivalry games over at bed online dot AG using the promo code podcast one. So I've told you guys about it before if you haven't done it yet. Now's a good time. You get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. When you use that code podcast one over at bed, online dot AG. Huge college football weekend fell NBA NHL, whatever it is that tickles your fancy and that way, you get at least an account number. So if in when a win the podcast one sports that challenge again, you can be one of the people that get one hundred dollars credited in your bed online Dutt AG account. So what do we got friend? I mean, we got Thursday night. Ole miss Mississippi State in the bowl. We got the civil war Friday night. Oregon Oregon state the apple Cup, Washington Washington. Stay iron bowl, Alabama, Auburn Michigan. Ohio State, Clemson, South Carolina, Notre Dame, USC Florida. Florida state Stanford UCLA unbelievable. Three days of college football. What are the specific individual matchups? You look in it. He L let's just start with a couple of quarterbacks. I think you look at the iron bowl certainly jarred stood him. This is John enormous test for him against his Alabama defense. We know how that group is just chock full of talent. So if stood them does declare I guarantee you one of the first games that evaluators will be watching. We'll be this game. And just seeing how he reacts to that pro style defense with just so much blue chip talent at all three levels. You look down at the bowl with ole miss Mississippi State on Thursday night. Jordan, Tom who was a senior quarterback. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about really wasn't a full time starter and told this did start a handful. Games over the course of his career when shape Patterson was out of the lineup. But Jordan, Tom was been very very productive this year. Obviously a talented receiving corps their four ole miss so take on Mississippi State, and that defense, you know, we talked about all those guys at all three levels, sweat and Simmons and Peters Jonathan Abram. And all those guys, you know, Leo Lewis, and it's a good defense. Orissa state. So big test Africa Orden, Tom. What about what else do we have in terms of quarterbacks versus tub defenses? Yeah. I think you you look around the of Michigan quarterback shape passionate. He's got a big test here against us Ohio State defense that seems down but certainly could still get after defensive line chase young Draymond Jones. And all those guys up front will be a big test. Then you look at running backs against linebackers Damian Harris who I think was out with a concussion on Monday. Monday's practice. We'll see if he's able to go Saturday against the Auburn, you know, that that second level that Auburn defense that defensive line is very good. But they've got to seniors at the second level of Daryl Williams and desha Davis. Davis a little bit of a throwback. Dr Williams more built for today's game. And that he can kind of play space a little bit better. But both those guys are good against the run. So keep an eye out for those guys against Damien Harrison the Alabama run game out in space with these receivers and tight ends. He looked a little Egbo AJ Brown DeMarcus. You know, that's one of the best receiving course. In college football going up against that secondary. Mississippi State, you know, Jamal Peterson a big corner. He's a senior he's draft eligible guy who some people feel that could be a press guy. Some people feel could be a safety and the Jonathan Abram is one of my favorite safeties in the country. I mean, the guy has got a really explosive mover. He's physical. He's a dog out there in terms of playing against the run and also playing in space. He's a guy. I would absolutely keep your eye on in this Thursday night game. And then Louisville taken on Kentucky and other one. Look Louisville's obviously doubt between trio's out. But they do have some talent there. Jalen smith. Probably the best senior on the roster in terms of NFL potential big bodied receiver playing out in space against this Kentucky secondary. Where you've got Derek Beatty. You've got Lonnie Johnson. Mike Edwards in the slots or wherever Jalen Smith lines up. He's going to face a next level defensive back. So big test there for Jalen Smith and then down in the trenches. I know how much you love these guys up front Thursday night. You've got ole miss left tackle, Greg little some people feel is a I. Round pick in this draft. Technumn Montessori wet another guy. Some people feel is a first round pick. So you got a great matchup their sweat does lineup on both defensive defensive end spots. So sometimes we'll get matched up against little. Sometimes he won't when those to do go at it. That'll be a really fun match up to watch South Carolina. Clemson, South Carolina line. You know, having watched them closely. It's a pretty impressive group for especially for a college offensive line. Dennis daily is a guy at the left tackle spot. Second year star big bodied kid when he gets his hands on you. I think he could be really he can be really tough to get by question. Whether or not his feet are quite good enough to last at left tackle, the NFL. But we'll see I do what I've seen from him. Zach Bailey just a tough physical guard. He does have some tackle experiences while I do like him better on the inside going up against this Clemson defensive line, Christian Wilkins, and Dexter Larence and Cleland feral in Austin, Bryan, Albert Huggins and all those guys up front for Clemson. And it's going to be a really good match up there something to keep an eye on as well. And then I'll have state Michigan. Chase winner. We'll see if he's able to go in this game. He's been out of the lineup. So far this week. We'll see if he's able to go for Sean Gary did make his return this past week or I think he actually came back online a couple of weeks ago but had a few big plays in this Maryland game. So he certainly will be in their Ohio state's got a right tackle Isaiah prince that some scouts are really really high on. I think he had gotten some top fifty type of grades over. The course of the summer. I'm not quite sure I see him there. But he is a big bodied kid. He's got some length to him has been three or start a four your started there for the buckeyes. So keep an eye on that matchup Isaiah prince against Michigan deans in that Florida. Florida state game Martinez Ivy another big bodied left tackle guy. Who's got the ability to play inside at guard as well. But just great size. Rare linked for the position going up against Florida state Brian burns, who is one of the more explosive pass rushers when the more flexible pass rushers in the country. So another interesting match up to watch their in that rivalry. Game. Yup. Looking forward to that one for sure it's interesting to me that I've Ian Mitch Hiatt Clemson were the top two ranked offense of tackles in the in high school when they played in the army bowl, and they both are going to end up playing for years. They both have now won red-shirted. But now the one left score the either which usually when the guys, you know, the top two tackles one of them ends up leaving squirrelly so set something that's interesting to note, you can always catch friend all of his stuff at f- defeat three on Twitter. That's the key or Google friend all kinds of stuff for you over at Philadelphia Eagles that come. Of course, tomorrow is a huge day at RT media with even money podcast with our beds fantasy feasts podcasts. I got a big win last night. Thanks to Brandin cooks. Put me over the edge on my fantasy league. Evan civil always hooks me up from road a world on the Fancy Feast pod. Cast. 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BK Previews The Raiders Game with Benjamin Allbright

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BK Previews The Raiders Game with Benjamin Allbright

"Lee began today as meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mcafee. Iced coffees close. Your eyes and deep seven and deep satisfaction out. Take a treat retreat at mcdonald's right now mcafee iced coffee and any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents until eleven. Am price of participation may vary. We'll be no death by inches. This is the broncos daily podcast with brandon krisztal. I want everything i want. All the meatballs and pasta have you wednesday broncos country although. I'm not sure it's happy. Wednesday either with the news at shelby. Harris is going to be out for another ten days. You test positive for coronavirus. I guess the biggest surprise when you have close contact and he's been away from the team. Since last tuesday. Believe staying in a hotel based on all his tweets but now at least we see they can go back home when we find out that his wife and kiddos had tested positive so he was staying away from them now. They're working through it He can work through it and hopefully he's back on the field for the dolphins game. We're gonna talk to benjamin albright here in just a little bit. He's been all over devante. Busby news coming and going as well. Benz minutes plugged in there as anyone. And so the broncos field here later this afternoon we should see graham glasgow back. They're going to be playing against. The banged up. Raiders team without regina. Canada didn't have left tackle. Colton miller the other day and didn't have trent brown whose offer i think another month because of where things are with covid And in his reaction to it. And then i think there was a negative reaction with an iv in cleveland. So the the biggest right tackle in football and the highest paid right tackle in football will not be trying to block jeremiah to me. Read and bradley chubb when he lines up over there. Looking at the raiders. Here real quickly. Before we get to to ben the match up the broncos offense continues to be really really bad. Twenty six in yards per game twenty-six in yards per play twenty seven points per game at twenty one point eight so despite scoring thirty one and twenty seven when you had an effort like sixteen against the chiefs in tough one against the box score that many you're not gonna slide up the league average couple more games in the high twenty s and that'll change the rushing yard dead middle of the pack sixteen passing yards. Twenty four to twenty five game They are now thirty first Interceptions as they have twelve on the year. Druze obviously been a big part of that lately. Giveaways their thirtieth sixteenth so fumbles plus the thirtieth was sixteen. Fumbles plus the twelve interceptions third down. They've been atrocious. Thirty seven point three. That's twenty ninth in the league. And they are twenty-seventh in reds on the rate is on the other side of the second third down team in football they are second right. Sorry second best team in football fifty point nine twenty first in red zone so they keep moving the sticks and derek carr has only been interrupted twice. They have lost the ball. Seven times on the ground running with fumbles receivers to thirtieth in the leaks. So maybe the broncos can get a couple of loose balls but they won't get it from. Derek carr who gets the ball out super quick especially with the banged up their ninth in rushing yards and nineteenth and passing yards flipside. The broncos defense is top ten or higher in a lot of categories miller. Pack and points per game. Twenty two. But some of that is Twenty-second rather twenty seven. Point one per game field position turnovers and even points with special teams. I guess i don't know how they equate. Or how they calculate all that But they're sixteen yards per game tenth in yards per play eighteenth and rushing yards. Seventeen th in passing yards and those numbers have gone up a little the last couple of weeks they were in the top ten before that eighth and sacks twenty two saks fifth third down percentage which is a really impressive number and second and red zone so it is true bend but not break defense the third down defense for the raiders twenty second red zone defense nineteen and they are in the twenties or even thirties in every other category. Twenty third in yards per game. Twenty six in yards per play twenty eight twenty fourth in points per game so allowed so the there will be an opportunity. For for the broncos we're going to get into the brick on when we go behind enemy lines. But i wanted to talk to benjamin albright. Today's veterans day and ben served in the army proudly It's not something that he talks about a lot. He doesn't jive away from it and he certainly talked about it before. But it's not something that defines him and so he broke the shelby harris news. He's been all over they busby and then because it was veterans day. He felt like the perfect guest. Talk to here on the podcast. Before we do that one remind reminding about juggle water. Chilly chug water chilly dot com promo code chug water bouquet to save twenty five percent water. He's spicer western life. It's available grocers near you so go to chug water chilly dot com promo code chug water. Bk to save twenty five percent plus without further ado. Here's my chat with our own. Benjamin albright from broncos country tonight. Then let's start with the breaking news. You put it out there this morning. That shelby harris has tested positive for corona virus. And i've confirmed that a lot of other people in town as well so good piece of breaking news there by you unfortunately unlike thankfully some of the breaking news you put out on players has been done for the year. This is just another missed game. And i believe you said that. He's not experiencing any symptoms. So if the math is right in my head and we know math is not my strong suit if he is out today and it's ten days. He should be back next friday saturday and could play against the dolphins. Yes that is correct could play. That might be a bit of a stretch. No week no practice. I'm like three weeks and all that kind of stuff but he could be available at least and it's probably the best way to put that for now You know kind of disappointing to shelby. I think he. I think he really wanted to play the raiders. Obviously that's team to let you know that gave up on him and he always plays them. Well i think he wanted to play that game but You know good for him for taking the the self report and the precaution and good for him for For hold him out now that he's tested positive right now. No symptoms and feeling good in good spirits. We'll see we'll see if that continues to develop symptoms. That could be a problem but right now all clear i guess the other side of that coin is if he doesn't play obviously he's not playing. Their randy was okay on sunday surprisingly because i had todd gurley in a couple of Daily fantasy lineups. Draftkings where i thought it was gonna go nuts and some of that may just be on girly but damarcus walker draymond. Jones and company obviously played well enough against iran. We know about the past events as a whole and obviously they give thirty four points but you get those guys now again this week against a team. That's even bigger upfront. And a more of a focus on the run game could be a tough task. And i'm saying all that to say if the broncos are thinking about bringing shelby harris back obviously getting my back and they just paid him on that nice three year deal. Nice for mike. Maybe not the type of money shelby could be looking for if they were going to bring shelby back. The case may be the case to bring them back. Maybe made by these other players not playing well enough and then realizing how much they're missing shelby here. If it's a second game potentially a third game that he's out we'll right. I mean you talked about over the last two seasons could shelby's productivity eight and a half sacks Something close to twenty batted passes. At the line of scrimmage Which is by far leads. The league You know his impact is is very well known You know that's despite not getting heavy usage on on third down obvious. Obvious passing situations so You know i i. I think she always a more impactful player. One of the more underrated players in the league You know as a as a whole I don't know the broncos going to be able to afford to bring him back. I think they'd love to. But i don't think that they can realistically with some of the other players that got take eric potentially justice et cetera. without gets a major restructure spawn. So ask deathblow the next game already about. Its as special. You look the raiders team at Mouth running football team the get one or better off. Its lines out there at jacob's hispanic running back so it's gonna be a tough task as stop up with him all this week and without going too far off the off the path that we're on because we talked about because you know mentioned in the contracts and bringing them back or garrett bowles justin simmons. I don't know how much you guys have talked about. On broncos country tonight. I've talked about it a little bit in passing and on this draftking stream that i will do with them for madden. Sometimes that and i can't remember. I feel like i'm borrowing. Somebody's point but the salary caps projected to be one hundred and seventy five million. I guess i saw this. When they traded for quanta alexander in new orleans that they're they're projected cap right now is like two eighty five a next year and the cap we think is going to be one. Seventy five is gonna go down a little go down dramatically because the owners aren't going to cut off their nose to spite their face and have to cut all of their players good veteran players but i do think there will be two things that happened. One fire sale on some really good players because they just can't afford to keep all of them so some are gonna get let go. New orleans is going to have some decisions to make even if you're retired. They still have to figure out how to manage that cap. So you have much players out there. And then a player say light shelby or even garrett bowles but may even more so shelby than garrick left. Tackle and year stays the same. He's gonna command close to top dollar top ten kind of money at least is that you'll have guys that won't be able to max out like they would in another year so maybe they can structure the deal to where it doesn't pay as much front but that's not usually i knew deals work. You at least want the big signing bonus even with the other money comes in in subsequent years. So i'm not saying shelby. Sign another one year. Low deal like he did here but he may not get to break the bank because of the economics of the league. Not because he's not worth a lot more money right. And i think the broncos are going to be unique position at about four or five teams that can carry over significant cap space with the rollover so the broncos are being a tactical advantage With route with regard to signing some of these guys and doing all that if the ownership doesn't borrow against future broadcasting rights to kind of smoothie cap transition And you're looking at that one seventy five. I suspect the ultimately will even want to on the front end because they view that as an interest free loan to the players. And that's you know that's not something they really want to do. But i suspect in an effort to keep the competitive balance alive. They're going to have to do that. Otherwise you're gonna have a deluge of free agents hit the market in a team like the browns or the dolphins absurd number of Or the colts even absurd cap space. are gonna let guys up and have competitive teams for the next few years chided adage on that one and the other side of the coin is in the short term. Be when you don't have teams like that. That have that much room. You'll also have the chiefs and maybe seattle and green bay teams like that. That have these hall of fame quarterbacks and patrick's there yet but hall of fame trajectory on bell where they're like you know what this year i'm not breaking the bank. The market's not there for me. So i'm just going to go try to win a championship and then next year capitalize on the opportunity if if the economics aren't right across the league so i think that that is. I think it's going to happen. In general with teams like the chiefs certainly with patrick mahomes being there and twenty four years old or whatever he has twenty five years old so i think we'll see that a lot we have these levian. Belle-type moves year-over-year. We'll see at least one guy. But i think next year depending on how the economic shakeout you could see two or three of those guys go to a team like the chiefs or the seahawks just to chase a rain right right. That makes total sense. I think I think the main thing right now is that teams like for instance kansas city which are in their super bowl window and kind of prepared on a four year. Arc are going are definitely going to be pushing for cat smoothing You know it. Because they've already made plans. They've already spent that money versus teams like the broncos that that are kind of on the front end of what they hope or building into a window that have kind of made that money available and so i think for league parodies sake you're gonna wind up seeing it. I hesitant to do that. And then eventually they'll just do it because it's really chaos well and finally on the economics i heard Doug gottlieb on a promo on fox sports radio so the league was gonna lose seven billion dollars by not having players in the stands and i talked to league official about that Somebody with the team and they said that that number doesn't sound right. Quick math is more like three and a half billion which is a lot. It's not it's not. it's not lost money. It's lost revenue which is right versus lou. Actually losing money. You know if you go back one hundred dollars on the broncos on one of our favorite gambling sites whatever it may be mine. Of course his draftkings bed. Mgm that is losing one hundred dollars but if you just want someone who's about the hand you one hundred dollars and they don't that's different. You didn't lose that money that you never had it. So the best example of that is if you listen you laid parlay for one hundred bucks that pays out twenty thousand dollars if you win. You didn't lose twenty thousand dollars in one hundred bucks. But now i guess the difference is the expected revenue because the nfl is in the shape that it's in on game day and so many cities certainly in denver places like green bay and and we could go down the list. You know jacksonville since you are a little different. But for the most part and with new stadiums in vegas and la we knew it was gonna be Obviously going to be a big year at the gate but the league doesn't rely on the gate they're better than any other probably pro sports league in the world. Maybe the side of the premier league in terms of relying on the gate game day revenue in stadium as as part of their overall economic model economic reliance. But because they're very likely going this year and knock on wood whether they're adding weeks tweak in the playoffs should also help the economics because there isn't any concessions to tv networks to this point right other than having to move around those couple of games and probably move around a few more games and so the tv networks were able to drive whatever you know commercial revenue they could and so once they get through this the doomsday scenarios. Maybe get muted a little bit assuming that everything's on track with the vaccine and we. Are you know normal and quotes back to normal by next football season. Well yeah. I mean to be honest with you. The league is not hurting for money. It's just a drop in revenue for one year that kind of affects the cap the overall profitability viability years. Still there in the league mate. Seven eight profit at seventy billion dollars last year Their their plenty fine if it dipped into capital reserves which doesn't appear to they also increased their broadcast rights revenue fox. What's thursday night. Football fagin fastly expanded. So that's why the borrow against the future broadcast rights thing is such a viable option because Because the number went up so massively for thursday night football they're They're going to be just fine. The question is whether or not they would borrow against that future over the cap now at it normally. They don't wanna do that. They've done it before they did it. I believe in the lockout year or whatever that was that year round there were they. Have you had kept your. They did that that year to bacon. Make everything smooth out and it again. So getting back to the broncos. And i know we went took a bit of a left. Turn your. you've been all over devante. Busby news coming and going at various points here in his career from the second he landed here from the af and so demonte busby backed that. Certainly some broncos fans. I'm not sure. He's on the field on sunday if he makes a difference or not but it was seven point game. And maybe if he's on. Because i don't know if he's guarding. Julio jones any better than ojemudia anybody can t to be fair without those starters there but i do think devante busby would have made a difference because it would have just calmed things down a little bit versus having devante played any real cornerback. Snaps and then two rookies out there. It was obvious that they were in over their head. A little bit busby comes back. Where's what do you think is mindset is with getting cut at the end of training camp then promoted than cut again and then arizona then caught again so do you have any idea Where he is and how happy is to be back. He's very back. He sees a huge fan of you know of Faneuil he's played for. Don't you know dating back to chicago. And it's part of the reason you came out here despite other offers so you know. I think he's excited that run. I think what happened. Was you had a case of sky. Got kind of jerked around lopez to start the season to avoid guaranteed salaries investor veteran year for them on the practice squad and they kept bringing him up the down. Kinda jerk and moran little bit in you know. I think that they only we also blue side of the cuban compounded this ethic. You know we look at business aspects and say hey this broncos just make its business boots which was curve but on the flip side of that. Being the other loyalty gets test. It's like hey you guys all it out amid least your fourth-best corner What the heck. And so i think what happened. There is there might have been smart feelings for a minute and When they when the broncos had to make some suraj construction decisions in order to bring back I think that gave an opportunity for a for bosnia to look at other options. You know the arizona cardinals. Who'd been after him for three years. I mean there are other offers out there to carolina in baltimore new york jets pursuant or whatever but when you feel loved up by team you know it's been a while you you know and you're not feeling it from your your current team you tend to go for it and that applies a lot experts life. I guess but So he you know. He went over there and decided to try surprise with is only they brought him up there for that game by week and He made it pretty good tackle out. They're not used to play a press band so they wanted to put it back on the practice squad and Kind of get used to plan within the confines of scheme but the broncos came back and said you know hey baby we made a mistake. Maybe come back. And so they'd be a big lake lady off waivers. he's back home. I think there was Sport i understand. There was a player. Lobbying for that In the locker room as well respected guide. I lock her up. Well lights You know i. I think good it's back you know. I may not be a lot of hype for a guy is probably a dime quarter but certainly some love form on twitter there that they might think he's champ bailey and with apologies devante bosley. I know champ. Bailey and user are no champion really buddy over the cbs there ryan green. I think the best poll. I've seen in a while. It's a which which homecoming which was the greatest athlete homecoming lebron to cleveland or devante bosnia back to affected denver so I think he's definitely a fan favorite though he's just one of those guys and so he's gu-guy in the locker room you know they they up there so i think it's good. I'm not expecting the broncos. The subway become one pass defense of all time but You know he certainly competent and able to shore up some deficiencies the have well. So do you think. I'm not holding your feet to the fire on this. But do you think he spends the vinyl eight games on the active roster here with the team. I think so. I'm certain he's got be on for a couple of weeks. Because you've waivers. But i i think so. I think you've got enough reps for for a guy like bassey who looked very good in in run. Run support You know sure tackler but still has a lot of coverage side of the house and You know so i think. You put a bac- panic as the core corner and and you know let him get some more reps a practice and all that this year you kind of project to maybe be a contributor at the dining spot. next year bosley probably finishes the season this year. All right couple more for you here real quick. I had this conversation with rick yesterday on the podcast and used his dad as an example as alliance fan. You know because we've talked about on your show. And i brought it up to alan joe joe as well. The broncos aren't winning the super bowl this year right but on game days. Even though you know that von miller is out and courtland sutton is out and drill. Casey's out in this past week. Aj bryce callahan and shelby harris route. Mike sells out. That's seven starters that it's hard to win. Games with seven starts with apologies at john fox next great. There's a reason some guys are making millions. Some guys over glasgow. You're right guard and you lose your right. Tackle your veteran right tackle. Who's already in theory. Your third right. Tackle your down to your phone right. Tackle wants to mar- and goes down for the second half. So it's a lot to ask to overcome but rick's dad's been alliance fan long-suffering lines fan forever and that doesn't mean on game day. He's not yelling at matt stafford. And i know that. I yell at my jayhawks. Even though they're overmach. And you probably yell when arkansas razorbacks are getting scored on even though the problem not supposed to beat alabama the game starts and your fan ship takes over so it's hard for the fantasy the forest through the trees. I guess that's more of a statement than a question. But do you agree that you know broncos fans need to realize this is about building for the future and all of these young guys at every spot you know other than the veteran safety is maybe the veteran corners couple of guys. But you know young guys lloyd. Cushenberry in the middle obviously lock goes without saying but not just lock cushenberry. Young receivers noah fant near to all these guys just about them growing and growing together. Well yeah and i think this provides some additional It additional reps for guys who may not dead it. Otherwise which is which is nice. We knew the broncos this year. But we do that. We're hoping there the face of crawl walk run. You know trying to be edited at all You know we. We knew that wasn't going to be a super bowl winner. Answer i think it'll scuttled upset. You know losing But you know. I think the other part of this season we we got. Get rid of this false dichotomies. That's been a. that's been four years now. Factually that may be correct. But the broncos done to resets of that time to rebuild asked joseph and then try to rebuild. They'll advance go vic's only been here a year right so we we can't sit there and say four years former talking about a year and a half based on all the roster turnover. Coaching philosophy change. everything else. so. I know it's tough to tell people to be patient but that that's a part of becoming successful in the nfl. Especially if you're you know you look at teams like the niners. They had two three down years they will they had a bunch out your when cal shannon and gets two or three down years of kyle before they got competitive yet and sometimes it takes sometimes. It takes two three years of consistency getting this in the system in place getting the right personnel ford. Then you're in the get go. So i think i hate sitting there telling patient with release. The trick is to be patient. Let this thing. Continue to build their laying the foundation right now. The whole house isn't done yet. You can't judge the house on the foundation and the final thing i have for you. Were going to go off the board a little bit although your presence on twitter kind of ties into this but as we've been sitting here i wanted. I wanted to have you on anyway because we've been sitting here. I see a million veterans day tweets and my neighbors got his marine corps flag out. And you are a proud army veteran and a resident veteran at koa. Angie who works with us as well Is still an active duty reservist and is going to be gone for a year overseas. I'm curious how you view veterans. Because i asked my best friend grownups in seventh grade. He's retired army down in the springs and text him and say thanks. But i remember asking him. Hey girl boss to that you know. There's plenty of people out there that because they didn't serve go out of their way to make it a bigger deal on veterans day. So i'm not trying to minimize it. But i don't wanna do anything to make it my own and i understand congratulating people. I could easily do that or thank everyone for their service. I think it is nice but has to feel genuine. And i feel like too many times. People are doing it to do it now. Have you got family members or or really. Close friends that you know that served or that you know that. They may have lost their lives protecting our country. That's completely different thing. But and maybe. I'm cynical. But i feel like sometimes it's hey you're making yourself feel good by congratulating the veterans maybe shake their hand or. I don't know go to the. Va and offer by someone launch or something like that helps them of work veterans. Get a job. Don't just thank you for their service. I'm curious for you as a veteran who is gainfully employed Certainly in and Has had a great life. Post your military service. How do you view veterans day. And then secondly how do you view everyone else kind of jumping on the bandwagon to celebrate you You know honestly. I forget about veterans eight talk. It reminded of that was one of those things. I woke up this morning this semester. And that kind of Was I i don't i don't know some guys need recognition so guys need to thank you the oil that kind of stuff i never believed in me I appreciate it when people do it. But it's not really yesterday. And i reach out veterans at all. You know that. I know and i'll i'll send provider message. Coolest thing for me about better ever happened everybody Bj kissel east ortiz Every year without fail myself Three other people that he knew that we knew each other. That our veterans and he would just without saying a word. Just send us a pizza for lunch. And to me was the weirdest thing that i always felt like that resonated more with me than anything anyone else had ever done with buying stuff or making a huge deal about or anything. It was just one small token thinking about jaundice day and I appreciate which did yield pizzas. Least i can do but it's kind of thing to me. That always mitt so much of so. I'm looking forward to pepper each afternoon from bj. i You know i just for me. That was that was. The thing is small token type stuff that say. Hey i'm just thinking about. You always better point but i don't need the accolades that don't have been that guy. I'm sure there are people that are but for me. I just tried to remind people i'm thinking about. You know what they did you know hopefully Hopefully everybody sheets that And that's really kind of it. I i don't really I've never been one to eat. It needed that kind of affirmation. Yeah well not once you got into your post military career. That's where the affirmation is. Hey great job breaking that story on I mean honestly you know. I've known you for a while being. You certainly take pride in your military service. But i don't think you let that define you saw plenty of other people do and that is totally okay. But i've never thought that about you. It's something that you did. And and you were proud of the time. And i'm sure you have memories The things you love and things that i'm sure you you hate it for a number of reasons but it's never define you And so. I thought that. I appreciate it one way or another i. Just there's an observation of who. I think you are to some degree. Not pretend to know you know more than i do. But they're they're released what it is for me. It's something i did. And i am proud of that. I wouldn't change it but Yeah now i'm onto the next phase and all that kind of stuff and we get the country and more capable hands than my now anyway so well The there is that What do you think of the nfl. Who certainly had egg on their face when we found out the there were handful teams charging for military recognition. They've gone so far the other way. And then obviously the players kneeling. They took it to another step understandable. Step i'm not critical of that. But with the camouflage gear on the side part of that does feel like it is nike driven. I don't know how much of no marketing driven on. How much of the money is going to help veterans or even other military groups out. There where do you come down on Because they go straight from was breast cancer. Now it's all cancers to let's salute our troops which i appreciate. Does it feel like grandstanding or do appreciate the way the league does it. A little bit of both If i'm being early honest I appreciate it but it does feel like you know granddaddy to it's it's it's it's kind of both And you got to take the bad on that you know like i mean i can only speak myself. I can't speak better way. I look at it you know i. I appreciate the effort. And i'll always appreciate the effort but it puts in Sometimes it's it's that effort gets a little bit minister overlooked by the fact that Obviously it's something benefit from as well as being seen patriotic angle and all that kind of stuff But you know. I i always appreciate. The effort is probably best way. Put that i appreciate the effort whether or not it's something. Let's say what's expressway to fraser. Some percents behind it. But i'm not really it's not something i Go out of my way to pay attention to that makes sense now i get. I mean sort of where you started the answer that you have to be reminded its veterans day by grabbing your phone so i will let you run on that i guess. Do you wanna pick raiders broncos winner now or should we tune into broncos country tonight later in the week Especially with the news now. Shelby harris isn't playing to make a call on the game. Like to see who were getting back in secondary but I think the broncos have a good shot in this one. It's going to be tough. Raiders have a good run game. Broncos can corral at run game and keep that offense limited on their big place especially with with anglo rugs shots affect the broncos to win it but But they got they've got a pretty tight game or two it night all right. Well ben thank you again. And i am honest when i say this. Thank you for your service and to all the veterans that you will be in contact with the day. Please thank them on. Behalf of all of our broncos daily podcast listeners. So thanks will track you down here against you absolutely sometime again. Really appreciate bannon and all the veterans out. If you know veteran make sure to say. Thanks on this veterans day. I've already sent a text of my best friend sergeant steven scott. The us army who's retired lives down in the springs. We don't see each other enough. I'll blame the pandemic on that. This time around we do get together and play cards Normal a normal times. Thanks to him. Thanks to anybody you know I have some family to the was in the military. So was my wife so Really appreciate anybody is listening to the veteran. Thank you so much We will hopefully track down. Kevin harlan tomorrow and talked to j t the brick. If we don't get a hold of. Kevin we'll talk to big allen instead but that is the plan here so Enjoy there's veterans day and we will see you next time on the broncos daily podcast. What's super nutritious super delicious. And a little nutty american becomes the original supernet packed with all the good for you nutrition. You need and the flavor that keeps the family coming back for recipes and more visit. American pecan dot com.

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Hour 3: 11/26/18

The Paul Finebaum Show

40:39 min | 2 years ago

Hour 3: 11/26/18

"Carello everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies and the seasons never change. Because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper the official Drake of fans Ville grab some today. Fried passion and patterns re of college football leagues. Here is the Paul finebaum show. Our Twee podcast. Second half of the program is live and underway. And we've had a good one Carl Shurmur with this. Most recently other guests as well, ma'am. Escon of from ESPN Baton Rouge giving us the take down there lottery action to Saturday in all shapes and forms. Let us continue and Adam in Louisville. Go right ahead. Hey, Paula Tattenham from Louisville. Thank you, Adam. Total SEC fan. Loved Mark Kentucky Wildcats on just a little surprised of also I want to I'm sorry. I wanted to start off by saying to them a little. Dan, you gave me something to do. Well, thank you. We thank you. We're so glad you could participate. Well, that totally appreciate the sentiment that's been going on in the last little bit. But I'm just so proud of on Wildcats. We beat archrival handily. No. Has L or and I wanted to give you a shout out to your Tennessee volunteers. He does. Hey, let me assure you. This is one Tennessee fans that can be crowing about anything. So thanks for mentioning it. Well, you know after Shurmur or who, you know, I'm a fan of two. You know? I just didn't what you have. Joe, listen, I I think when you're when you've gone through with Tennessee has gone through over the last fifteen years, or so you just you just say maybe ten twelve years, I should say you just take it all with a grain of salt. You're you're happy. You want some games? I'm extremely proud of Kentucky. And I just wanted to get your opinion on. How in the world Florida can get a January first ballgame when there's a third place team now CC. East? Well, here's the deal. Let's assume Alabama goes to the play offs, then the next highest ranked team, which would be Georgia. They would go to the Sugar Bowl. That's part. That's a contractual situation. The sugar has with the SEC and the big twelve. So then the next school would be eligible to go to one of the New Year's day bowl games. That's how it happens. Yeah. I mean my goodness. We'd be Florida after thirty one years. Well, that's true. Head Kentucky, not lost Tennessee. I think you'd be going to that game. Yeah. I agree. So in effect can see how Florida to it comes down to. I believe it's the highest ranked team in Florida will definitely be rank higher than Kentucky. Yeah. I know. I just it just I think it's because the name on the jersey, but I'm still happy with my cats, and you know, regardless we've had a wonderful season. We know no one can take away the number two and they from us. It doesn't matter. What the rankings are just want to call and say, hey, and. Great job. Let me say this, Adam. Thank you for calling. We wish you the best. And and hope you have a great holiday season. Thank you, very very much. Thank you pleasure to talk to you. I'm Anne is calling next. What did you say? I man. Hey, good afternoon. Paul. It was a sad occasion. But it was great. See you last Winston. Thank you very much. I really get a chance to talk about that on on Friday much. But it it really was to see you to see Larry see gradison. Greg Allison from Franklin, Tennessee. It was really. It didn't didn't take away the solemn this of the occasion. But it was it was heartwarming to see all of you. It was. And when I saw Leary he walked with Allison. And I knew it wasn't his girlfriend. But I asked him I said is this your doctor she taking you out for a day trip or something. And then, you know, but but they're great people. And it was extremely sad. But, but I tell you Paul this is something that you do with your interviewing that is through the roof, and it comes natural to you. You you hear all the the norm out there, you know, the norm when you talk to people whether it'd be the big stars a little people like us in, but you pick up on little nuances, and I stood by you at it shaves, Shane scrape side. And I listened to you it chapel the other day, and you know, people so well in you read, so well people, and it's a natural gift that you have. And that's that's why this you see people hired you. I. He was the first tire because they knew they had a Phanom. And when you hear guys like Jim from Tuscaloosa myself in complaining about the good old days is because there's so much of your personality did has gotten lost in this. And I understand this is TV and radio and ESPN SEC network. But there's so much of usually get shuffled around because of all these other things that this business. I'm in. Say that that's what we talk about. And I probably shouldn't say this. But I'm going to because you you're nice enough to bring it up. But it was one of the reasons why I consider leaving a couple of months ago because I do miss that part of of the connection, and when you're doing a four hour television show at this ruling, it's very difficult to to connect because there's a lot of stuff that that goes on here that. Your. Pushed into doing. Yeah. And then that brings me to add in I'm member I've talked to Ed numerous times, we call on his birthday and just talk to him. When we when we knew he was under the weather, and that kind of thing, and it was just he was just eat up with you. He loves you. Then he lived your show. And he he lived a lot of the callers and he loved to listen to people. But it was asking me some things I said when Paul starts talking to you. That's when you better beware 'cause it's going to be real kind or he's fixing to eat you through your spine. And I said, that's that's just he hears these things and he picks up on. And and and you know, the conversations that you had with Ed you brought a lot of Ed out on this show. And egg was was a great guy and a very good guy. And we would talk about his days in making and all those we had good conversations because he knew I love Jay MO and the drums and all those kinds of things, and but it was. A real community driven guy. Good heart could character. And we're going to miss him and my condolences to his family and knows it also prayers with you. Thanks so much great to hear from you. Really? Do appreciate that a lot. James is in Georgia, James, go right ahead. Thank you that the McCall. I've been two questions. One is do you think the Jordan Alabama game will be close or blowout? And to got a friend that goes all run. And he said there's a rumor Alao is what America's coach dumb. I am coming to be in office going into possibility. He frees have you heard anything on that? Or is that just? Yeah. I have I think I think that's the first of all, thanks. Thanks for the call Gus malzahn, freezer tantamount to being best friends. So they talk all the time. In fact, coach freeze has been Auburn few times this year and spent time with him. I think Gus would like to bring him in assuming few doesn't get another position. Elsewhere. But Hugh free still has to be cleared to coach again in the SEC that is up to the ultimately, it's not it's not specifically under the purview of the SEC office. But it's more of like advise and consent. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it very very much. Kenneth is in Louisiana. You're on the air. Go right ahead. Hey, paul. I'm not an ordained minister like fan was your one of your previous guests. But I am a Cajun who trail as you that we went. We know what CNN is and what the officials did test issue. Am game was a CNN. I would like your thoughts on why didn't they review the fourth down passing play. But he was definitely short of the first down marker, which would end the gaming. They can't answer that I checked with with an with the with the officials today on that front of that. I'm not defending anyone stating what I was told. They were told they told me that the yellow line was wrong that it was. I think two yards off on that play. So I know that may not be solace to your ears. But that's what I was told by people who have reviewed that tape. Okay. Okay. One more question. Why it wasn't considered that Kellen Mont was down and possess the ball when he bobbled a snap. If that would have been a pass play that would have been ruled incomplete pass. So where's the justification? And that I mean there there are a lot of questionable calls. I think the I think the one that may have raised the most hackles was the pass interference call in the was it the seventh overtime. Yes. That looked pretty close to me. So I mean, you know, us cages down here we have a sale and you have every right to be upset. Kenneth your team routine loss of a seven overtime game. Where you can you can point to six or seven different yells out of two hundred and fifty five but. What's the saying you Cajun's like well? We we have a saying down here we say God, they don't that means look at that. I wish the officials have lifted. Thank you for taking my call. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. I gotta learn me some Cajun. Peyton is up next hour you Peyton in California. Well, what was it is the fall of that LSU complaining about all that it's always always fast implanted? But by the way, had your prediction come out about the iron bowl. Both Joe might have paid us and thirty and football. We're going to be on sixteen basketball. So it's all right. But anyway to LSU fans what Mitch melodies red referees. All they had to do is make it I the last session of the game gets an average defense in the game was over so quickly complaining and move on. Anyway. Yeah. Iron bowl after eighty. Well, not very at all they'll be did out Russia, which was surprising. Well, that's great. I think the remarkable thing about the iron bowl was at Auburn loss by thirty one points, and it wasn't really considered that big a deal. Yeah. It sucks to have a seventy five yard touchdown the gated over holding call when Alabama holds every place. Yeah. I think that's a good approach. We have to do with it every year every team does. But whatever. What did you get what happened last year that called go against you'll you last year in Auburn? No. That was just the straight of Asheville. Okay. Just like this one was up against a break a five to four to seven to eight five more to come to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Hello, everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies in the seasons never change because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fence Ville this full during a college football game near you, Dr Pepper the official drink of fans Ville grab some today. Pride passion, then packing. Tree of college. Football leads here. The Paul finebaum show. Our Twee podcast. Welcome back to the program. Greg markets here with talk a little bit about the seven overtime game. When he buying on cyber Monday. I just bought. Paul. We first of all this going out here. From the LSU perspective. I saw some of your tweets during the here's the on a real or not happy or whatever. Oh. Shades subject you go. You know, what if I'm not at all? But but here's the thing. There was some egregious calls. Henry greasy greeted no I'm saying that the way I want to sit egregious costs. Can you spell it? No here. Here's the thing. Paul. I can deal with the I can I can handle the judge McCall's. Mike stern burger fumble. Was he putting it away? That's all subjective to who. The false don't trivia and the misalignment of the wide receivers. I what are you doing at that point Trayvon and kill him on to only two people in the backfield. And you miss a false store. I I don't know. Look, I'm not this is not about the determining the game. It went into seven overtime. The LSU could have made a play in the game. Like don't let him. Once you go up. Don't let them score vice versa. But but just those really just I mean that that that part is a bad. When for me the pass interference on greeted Williams. I didn't agree with the call at all. But would that be sad? You know, it's a judgment call about a roof course, listen, I mean, you lay that call very often in that situation. I mean that was I how do you to call the week before similar situation? So they've been less and less scared to do like, Ohio State Maryland there were two third down penalties that resulted in. I. Ounce for the opposition. So I I mean was where there Kohl's throughout the game that I disagree with. Yes, wasn't unfortunate that every questionable. Call seemed to go against LSU. Yes. Yes. Surely unfortunate. Yes. What I would also say is that if you blame the officials that's loser's mentality. And of course, like that's a loser's mentality and later them in Waco today, the fight, but the player you don't leave it up to the official you'd be approached that the team should have. That's I think that's the pro you probably had approach you gotta have. I mean. But would that be a sale at someone knows continue what you can control what you can control the only pro-? The only issue. I have is the pre snap ones. Okay. That's my biggest gripe. Because at that point you not it's not judgment. Is. It is what it is. It's a penalty. It nothing else is happening around you for you not to notice those too. But like I said the PI do I agree with the car? It's a lot of calls Paul in games that don't involve LSU that. I don't agree with. With that being said those to stick out to me because I feel like the riffs were caught in the moment of the game as opposed to paying attention to their all. They get paid for seven overtime. Oh, told you is going into rabbit hole. He's in the dark place. Man. Listen, I am not. I am. I have always even when I was a player. I have always been the one to say this is a difficult job that these risks. Do is very very hard fight is just the ones that are so obvious even when I was playing ones that are obvious like when a offense of Landman jumps before a snappy. You don't call the false store, you you are the land judge. This is what we're north John. You're what you're not watching a movie when looking at. I'm sure what thing laid all -til there. There is a referee in the middle of feel in between the first and second level of the defense or LSU side. And there's a bad George behind killing Molin, and trivial Williams and not one of them. So trivia Williams, false start. That's just bad. That's bad at what you're doing. That. Ain't that's I mean. Like, I said this mission have said, you're gonna show at there could be some you how much show it. Suits coming down the hall. So. I would say this though, I've seen a lot of laziness on social media like for instance, on the fourth down conversion where the yellow line was not in the correct spot. It without the yellow line yellow line was wrong. And then people are shown see that is like at least if you're going to take screen show doctors and talk about stuff at least let it be accurate. Nice. You off like like the pictures like the pictures for fans feel like I always. Gets them. I I have no idea Piton think that in the early two thousands and thousands second pregnancy that they didn't use to think. That's why can't I can't. I can't buy into that narrative because the frustration is not with the riffs. I'm gonna give you a perfect dynamic to why this whole conspiracy theory are they against us is a couple of weeks ago. It was about Alabama and Devon white is out before the Alabama gate, and it was Alabama bias. So was this Texas am bias Saturday. Like number is it was it like this that and then beats LSU every game. Look, I can be frustrated is fine. But don't get don't get so far down into that. And I'm wit with grade. That was my point with the Alabama situation where Evan why you're not playing in the first hand look players win in lose games. That's what it is. You take away the best player. Guess it's a tragedy. It shouldn't happen. We don't like the rule we expect that a million times. But with that being said man, you can't go into the game saying, we don't have them in white. So we go lose you can't do that. And the AM winning seven times because the revs didn't the res- didn't catch any of those such now Rogers caught they didn't make any of those throws killing my mate. All right. They didn't make any they didn't make any of those plays for takes them to get in the end zone. It was for LSU defense the stop and vice versa. LSU was getting in the end zone offensively too. So it's just I mean there as Dave Ramsey gave up seventy four. That's the funniest thing. This whole thing play great in the secondhand hand. No, I was tweeting on Friday after watching it Oklahoma West Virginia that was the worst defense performance. I've seen on college. We all feel in a really long time. It was bad. It was lack of sound. They couldn't tackle. Like, it was it was tough to watch. And he's a basketball game to see that. So many people lose their mind with the final score. Oh, so this is watch. It was thirty one all at the end of regulation. Is not comparable when it goes to seven overtimes and you allow eighty four points it over it's not the same. Nine fifty six. By the twenty minute during the game to overtime. He was like, oh, I guess the big twelve ain't so bad up though. I'll say y'all had this in the first half. Yeah. And by the way, Oklahoma's best defense best defensive performance in the month of November one they allowed forty to Kansas. So like, we we need to just like we live forty six how much? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's just it's just frustrating. It's like, oh my goodness. Honestly makes it hard for me. Right. We have these discussions about the college football playoff coming up. And yes, they are prolific offensively. It's no question about it. Probably the top outfits in the country if Omid inbound man what they've been doing. But went there being saved, man. We know that we know what the movie is going look like they go start off as. Kirby. Ordinary is go go into halftime and adjust. And they go have a tough time getting it done in the sa- gap. That's how that movie is going to play out. So I understand it. Right. And I know over Homa fans have been like, you you wouldn't you wouldn't beat his good defensively. If you played maybe not maybe not leave. But if but it wouldn't but technical not that mean three row guys at the second level. We got the Rosebowl last year though, this like we saw Baker and that offense lighted up in the first half. But we also saw Joe Joe offense lighted up as well. And not in the first thing. That's what I'm saying. In the second half, Georgia defense adjusted and shit the powerful home opens down at the Georgia just raring. Wow. I think they were in for like six hundred dollars would you know, I'll St. or Oklahoma right now. Ohio state. I would too. I just like I'm an urban Meyer fan. That's that's what it gonna count. I've heard it all now. Liked. You are bought at much that was the toughest game of my life trying to decide which school which coach root against it. I finally opt I pulled through Ohio State you, Dan. I just think I can't from here. Don't have a. Simple as that. There's other guys on the staff though, what happened to him did Ohio stages. Played a best game of the year. First and foremost is started with MandA coverage. All right man coverage against Ohio State, good luck day against him. You'd better cover those guys man to man they were in the same play ten times. Shell scandal. Caja hill. Boom. I mean, it's like it was pitching catch. And when they couldn't rush the passer, it was it was all she wrote. Then they hit a jet sweep or two and it was out the gates best teams. Of course, played a factor as well. But Ohio states legit Ohio State on offense can go you say early this year because they are one of the best teams in the country. The problem is they're also one of the most inconsistent bounce in the country. And if I watched them on defense to see them struggle as much as they do stop the run at times is troubling. Because there's nothing worse than watching a team that doesn't reach their potential like Ohio states guy guys at all three levels that will play longtime on Sundays, but they've been like this. And there's no reason for them to bail, man. So I would favor Ohio State slice slightly over Oklahoma because they have better Pearl. Bailey gave up thirty nine now because they have better personnel on defensely dream on Jones. If you take the starting point tar starting eleven for Oklahoma in the starting eleven Pearl. How state Draymond Jones at defensive tackle. It'd be the first pick that I'd pick amongst those defense. Both. Will make them much of a difference. Heck, yeah. That much of a dad's most isn't it both? I think the Landon college can change the game as much as anybody. So Nick Bosa was unbelievable. You another thing to Nick boasted aside shut down for the year say, this is my own personal opinion on this deal. So I would be curious to get your take on it. When Nick Bosa decides to shut it down. He has the core muscle surgery. He can't come back. We know. That course, take a long time to figure out and he wasn't going to be able to make full recovery and helped his team win this year. But as soon as he shut it down, then all those other NFL prospects on the deep at the side of the football four, Ohio State. We're starting to think like. He should right. I might I might need to shut down to like that causes a little bit of division. And that's why I thought on Saturday. They had a chance to win the game because hey, man, it's all hands on deck is our last chance we've been disappointed all year. Let's go out there and give it our best shot, and they did and they played well as a result. So I think the Nick Bosa injury impacted them not just from how good their personnel wasn't the front, but it impact talent. I think throughout the course of the season two. I don't I I mean, I don't know. I don't I don't know the makeup of the guys. So is you know, that's that's a big that's a big conversation about who's in the locker room was who's the voice human nature, though. That's human nature the same terms. We live in term like when you play like these no Bosa was going to be a top five pick that regardless of if he played didn't play. And honestly with that being said, gee, I know the mentality when I play with a lot of guys I gotta go out here and ball every Saturday. Yeah. I'm. Go to the league to right? So Voces affecting that I'm affected me. Right. So I don't know. I mean, I I totally see where you coming from. But I just think that's a fragile mentality. May is man. I hope it's not true. But now news who knows thinking loud coming up later in the night. When you go come visit the show. Did you visit mardi McGee. Visit. They just asked me if I could go through and get lunch. You went on mardi McGee was on the show. Yeah. Why I know I was on there. I just went through. I never I didn't. I didn't have a span that heart. That's diet thinking out loud. I can't why can't you? Why can't you get what you got the cons number? Give them away. We could do that. Thanks, guys. Can't get digging. Florida listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. You know, those blink motion activated security cameras. Yeah. Hoped would go on sale. Just did is the blink black Friday cyber Monday sale with huge savings now through Monday. Blink cameras are motion activated when they detect someone snooping around you get an alert on your smartphone with an HD clip and blinks live feed option, let you monitor your home pets and package deliveries. Visit blinkprotect dot com slash radio. That's blinkprotect dot com slash radio or hit Amazon and search blink camera. Pride passion. Then pageantry of college football leaves here. He's the Paul finebaum show hours. We podcast. Welcome back to the program show. Glad you're with us. It's been a pretty eventful Monday. Let's go to the phones. Andy in Ohio Indy. Great to have you on. Fall before I get into the obvious. I was on vacation then returned not at my phone on me all day to get all all emails and all the tax about the horrible things that happen with him or her grandchild and that out in the on the balcony of the hotel and listen to listen to the show, listen to five cats, and and it was great here. So many people say only things about her because she was a truly beautiful person. And. Wanted to call in before the iron bowl and do sort of a tribute Tammy call with some of the Tammy 'isms and listened to a bunch of roll calls and just realize that I couldn't do it. And I couldn't do it because she was so often it at any tribute. We just be a mockery. 'cause 'cause no one could do like she did. And I just wanted to. I know this isn't the hour for it. No, no. Thank you so much for saying that it means a lot to to so many even in Tuscaloosa the other day Andy there was a sign of by an Alabama fan commemorating Tammy. Well, she was a wonderful person. And she used to say nice things about me occasionally because I used to say such nasty things about those bams. But she didn't like my take on on Cam Newton Cam Newton Cam Newton at all. But all as the the resident old man Buckeye fan. Here. I must say like a Phoenix rising from the ashes blow. The season. Oh, fantastic. You know, everybody's got all this speculation up here about about Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh Jim Harbaugh, then getting go the NFL you're gonna go here. It's gonna there. Jim Harbaugh is Arnie rich Rodriguez and Jimmy along. If you wanna stay in Arbor, we in Ohio or bet. It was it was just mind boggling, but followed everything all year, and you know, being somewhat educated. And and the things that go on down there in the I don't speak for all stay fans. But I think the the conscience educated fans with with me when after we seem what the Buckeye can do I say we want some packing some punching back from the fact twelve in the Rose Bowl. Anything to do with Bama, Paul. No, I think you go to the Rose Bowl and win. And it's been a great year. You you you play Alabama in the first game in lose. It's not a great year. Yeah. You know to twenty fourteen I was calling the show all the time. I called in. I kind of had this, you know, happy to be there mentality. Let's see what happened on the way. Indy. What where do you go? What's the bowed where do you go? If you lose north western. You hide you hide in the dark hole. This qualified from Rose Bowl consideration. If you lose the northwestern, but no, no. I mean, two thousand fourteen it was all hey, happy to be here here. We don't get Bama. I think we exploited and things here. And there I think there are some big questions about your quarterback. Phil discussions that we had. It's now there's no discussion fog, you can't you can't have a defense that this flawed and go into that game, especially with how potent offense is in Alabama. You know, I'm supposing the Knicks. Save fifteen coaches aren't going to call the same three run plays. Nick Sabin has wanted another shot at Arben for four years. But he would like when this year. Well, he should he's the call. I it should that happen. He be sure to call Jim Harbaugh on his offense masterminds up there. I some tips on how to move the ball against themselves. You know, all the things that that Ohio State defense is deficient at let's just ignore all those things and by God, we're gonna play man ball instead of taking advantage of all Ethan fishing, but thanks for taking my call Paul and give me interesting to see what happens championship weekend here. But even up here in the frozen north where I'm driving at a frigging snowstorm looking for that global warming. We're all very very Cologne down south India. Check, it's cloudy and fifty seven degrees right now, not bad day. John is up next in Maine. Hello, john. Good afternoon. Welcome to our program. Hi, paul. How you doing quite? Well, john. Thank you. Thank thank you very much for taking my call picked a heck of a day to make my first call. I can't quite us all of some of the other calls we've had but some of the touching tributes anyway a couple of points. And I know they go counter to probably ninety eight percent of your audience and the network itself. But the idea that Alabama just automatically get in even if they lose I think people should take a another look at that that they get a pass every time they lose because it's the SEC John John. Let me let me just ask this, quiet. I I understand the furstration. But but Valla Bama loses they have one loss, and it would be the number four team in the country. So who should be in there other than Alabama? They is what I'm asking you relearn. I understand that. And I think you know, if they lose the Georgia they basically already lost one of the playoff game. They long. Got to be a playoff game. But anyway, well, you know, I think you know, what I mean, you know. I just think it's it's easy to say that. But you you would have to tell me why would you why you would put Ohio State with a win over northwestern? The team that lost to Akron or Oklahoma been told we've been told that conference championships needs something, and it's what they do. They didn't mean anything last year when Alabama got in Ohio State was under was the next team out, and they won one again, Alabama always gets a pass. I mean, let's look at some of the. But let's get some pass. But well, can I I just want to know how Alabama gets a pass? That's all I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. Then we go right ahead. You tell me right now. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. They they're scheduling. I mean, if you look they're always eager to play that kickoff game at a neutral site. But I don't see him scheduling homing homes with an Oklahoma or USC, and I'd like to you know, maybe that week they play the citadel or Kentucky Wesleyan text date come up north and play in the cold late play first of all you control your schedule. So you play your big game. They played SE Jeff they played Michigan neutral. I don't see how. Let me also tell you this. They have a home in home every year with LSU, you think that's easy. Well, it's just not any ninety let me know anybody else. Hey, do you know anyone else who wants to play a home at home with LSU though? I'm sure Ohio State would they'd played gone out and played Oklahoma. Well, listen, I'm not going to criticize oh house. They played Oklahoma, home and home. That's that's about as tough as it got. So let's not forget two thousand fourteen. Let's see. You know, what I don't like though, people from Maine calling you with species comments without being able to back it up. You can criticize Alabama all you want. They played Louisville. This year turned out to be a joke. They're playing Duke Knicks year, probably a bigger joke. But they play in the SEC they they they play across over they'll get they also have to be the winner of the east this year Georgia they're playing they're being a number four team in the country on a neutral site. Why would they go up to to Michigan or Ohio State in November on play a game? Besides the the big ten doesn't play non conference games after they start playing conference games in October. So that that's a that's a red herring as well. But thank thanks for calling from from. Maine. Hope you have a nice winter up here. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. AARP can help you become your healthiest self. It's why we offer health tips for your body and your brain. So take on today and every day with AARP learn how it take on today dot AARP. The pride passion then packing. Tree of college. Football leads here. Paul finebaum show. Our three podcast. Welcome back to the program. Glad you are with us here on this. Monday night. Hayden is in Baton Rouge will Laden. Hey, how the going? I thank you. I I just wanted to talk about the LSU ADM game. And now, you think getting a lot of calls about it. I wanna talk about second quarter. There was a first down that was called short in his round the twelve yard line and JIMBO Fisher runs to the rest gets into view it calls over to. I'm not arguing the call. I thought it was a good call. It should have been a first down. I just wanted to know why LSU couldn't get any of those calls reviewed in the fourth quarter to benefit us at all. Listen, I've I've gone over all the controversy of plays late in the game with with officials, and there's there's an explanation for everything. But you could also turn it around and AM fans are in talking about a million other calls a game that has two hundred fifty plays seven overtimes. There's plenty to go around. I'm not dismissing your question. I understand the frustration from LSU fans, but most of the time you have an opportunity to win the game and put it away which they did. And they didn't do it. Thanks for the call Lance is up next. And how are you Lance Phil away? I mean, I'm all the calls the see strong gotta tell you three to five hundred dollars offense Lola cowpox. We're gonna get real special bought. A I got tells you Mullen learned Arctic glitter sleepiq day, Frank really setup Schumer. This ball who do I need to talk to about still on my damn Molin eight oh me it takes a lot of damage or types on from a fan. Put it on this show when you know them. Well, lasting Jasper creative. Hold on. Atlanta, John you asked me. Slowdowns second this talk show. This is not a is not congress where you can get up and bloviate all day long. John. Did you have a question for Lance? I was just curious Lance. What are you talking about it? Someone steal Molin eight and use it on an SEC network show. You put it on. FCC short film, when you know, Dan, what else the ball aid was originated, although one in Jasper show, and I got my wallet here. Rossi rothfield. It's gonna car somebody else made some money trade market. Created them all of the market. Lance unless you unless you trade market or licensed the name. You're you're out of luck, buddy. Well, you know, damn, well, I be more than happy to give you the guys from SEC shorts. And you could do us a favor and call them oblong the March. I mean these guys on. They're all yours yourself as five hundred dollars. You're trying to market. I didn't have the money February when I give my income tax back, install my dad, they stole my damn thing. Lance. Let me save as. A dollar. Then you promise not to call back to and listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Hello, everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies and the seasons never chained because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans Ville this full during a college football game near you, Dr Pepper the official drink a fans Ville grab some today.

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High Stakes

Championship Drive

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High Stakes

"Carello everybody you're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold. Dr. Pepper mission where every day is Saturday in everyone's a fan, even babies and the seasons never change because the only season is college football season get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper, the official Drake, a fans Ville grab some today. This is campus conversation. Now here's your host. Ivan Mays l.. Hey, there welcome back to campus conversation. It's Tuesdays temper twenty. Fifth, that's right. Three months until Christmas. I don't know why that's relevant to this show, but I just thought I'd point that out joining me on campus conversation today. Heather dinner, Chiloe, Heather. Hello, Ivan, I'm already ready for the weekend games. Ready to talk about it. Good luck to Penn State and Ohio State to fan bases who both seem to think I hate them these, yes. Well, and we've established that the the whole west coast is angry at you as well, which we did last week while I was out there. So you're continuing to win friends and influence people. I do not however want you to be ready to play today since it's only Tuesday. Another lovely cliche Adam written Berg joins us as well. Adam, how you doing doing great. Ivan has open. You keep rining there and in relation to that Ohio State Penn State game, I was at the Penn State, Illinois game on Friday night, turned into a blowout and went down to the field actually with our former colleague Pat forty and there are about a thousand people left in the stands most of them, Penn State fans. And and some of them were asking Pat night and make predictions on the state game right then and there while the previous game had even finished. So. That was fun. We thought about doing I was gonna go OH and he was going to go, I, oh, just to see how they would react, but we thought better that good move. Personal safety always should be foremost. We are going to dive deeply into instate Ohio State on this show. We were going to talk about not only Nick Bosa, but another big loss on the defensive line in college football and who knows maybe even a little big, twelve, West Virginia and Texas Tech. You know, it sounds a lot better if I talk into the might doesn't it. Typically? Yeah. Into the great beyond. I'll try that for the rest of the show. Another course that I do that, I, I'm going to bang my face into the might, but anyway. That's my problem. West Virginia and Texas Tech is the point I'm trying to get to another top twenty five inter conference matchup that we all need to pay attention to that game in Lubbock. We're gonna get to all of that as soon as we get out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. As you may have guessed I am in studio a overlooking the scenic hallway to the cafeteria here in Bristol, which is why I'm having microphone issues. It's just I could have stayed home and done on the show been comfortable. But no, I'm trying to take things. Yes. The the face for podcast is, as you want said, all right, where were we big game Saturday, Saturday evening in state college number four, zero state winners of nine straight number nine, Penn State, winners of eighth straight. The second and third longest winning streaks in the f. b. s. behind only defending national champion UCF at big news atom out of Columbus with the confirmation what we all suspected Nick Bosa out until November as you learn from mom herself. I give us sort of an update on his injury and what Arben Meyer intends to do to replace him. Sure. Well, it's a unique injury, its core muscle injury as someone who works out as much as I do. I know exactly what that's about, but goes without saying, I have any muscles left or even to begin with. But unique injury and obviously unique surgery. So he is working naked working with a specialist in Philadelphia who his parents both believe is the top Dr. So he's rehabbing there right now and urban Meyer had said in a news conference earlier, Monday, that boasts would be out, quote, a few more weeks or four, some more weeks, but both John and Cheryl Bosa speaking media outlets I spoke with Cheryl said that Nick would be out at least until November because that's when they're going back to Philadelphia for a reevaluation. Now, she said that he does certainly wanna play this season for Ohio State and help them try to get in the playoffs and beat Michigan and win a big ten championship and a national championship. But you know, there are other considerations with this player because he's widely projected to be a top five draft pick maybe the number one overall pick in next year's NFL draft. So that's a consideration that they, they'll talk about as a family. Fortunately, they have experienced with this with Joe, his older brother, Joey. Who was also a first round draft pick as was John Bosa as was cheryl's brother, Eric Coomer also number one draft pick. So this is a very well-versed family in the NFL and in making those decisions. But Cheryl votes was telling me that Nick is doing great with his rehab and very much wants to return for the buckeyes at some point this season, but that likely wouldn't be until the very end of the regular season. If not the postseason I'm glad you brought up there. Kuma rope connection. I had forgotten that. And also when you said he's rehabbing in Philadelphia, I thought, well, okay class. But if he's going to go pro in the spring, then that's almost irrelevant had her. I did find it fascinating. And I, I'm trying not to say this with any degree of snark, but. Once again. Not that urban disassembled. When he just he just sort of said he would that Bosa would be out for a few weeks, but he just sorta gave a nondescript answer. And then we immediately learned what the actual vets at least November. So clearly his absence does not diminish. The impact of a game Saturday night, I would assume, at least from your playoff vantage point? No, not at all. And Ohio State is still so good even without him defensively. But I mean, you know, Adam pointed out just what a difference maker he is, and he's obviously at a different level than anybody else and most players in the country. But look, when you look at it from a playoff perspective, everybody knows that the winner of this game is going to emerge as the favorite in the east. Now, Michigan might have something to say about this eventually, but the jury is still out on them, and I think whoever wins this game, the entire conference sort of puts their playoff hopes on that team shoulders and rightfully so. And I think the difference right now to me between the two teams is simply that Ohio State has been tested already. They, they beat TCU, which was very good team. Penn State just hasn't had the opportunity to do that yet. And they need to they, they have to have a win like this obviously to impress the selection committee. So this is arguably the game with the biggest playoff implications for the entire rest of the regular season. As of right now, according to ESPN's leverage index, it's it's a big one. Nationally, not just in the big ten right nationally. Wow, that's interesting. Okay. Before we get into that just. Adam, so replacing bozo house, Ohio State going to do that. Well, you know, chase young has emerged as a threat on the edge. We talked about them. I think last week a little bit on the podcast. He's only a sophomore, but the the buckeyes are very high on him as an option. And then just their overall depth on the defensive line will we'll have to be a factor. Draymond Jones has tremendous experience and the inside know he had a touchdown against TCU intercepted a shovel pass and ran it in. But there's nobody else on that team that necessarily impacts the game play. The play like a Nick Bosa will. So I, it is going to maybe stress different areas of their defense and having seen Penn State's ofensive line on Friday night. And I know it's still annoy, but that's a much improved group a group that's no longer dealing with the attrition from the sanctions probably hit more than any other group on the team by the scholarship losses and they held up pretty well. They've held up pretty well so far. Season on their on their on their offensive line. So you know, trace McSorley is one of the best in the country. I think he's he's underrated has been underrated throughout his career and underrated this year for some reason. And it's going to really challenge Ohio state's defense to try to at least keep him contained and ultimately try to get him to the ground and try to make mistakes. And it's going to be obviously tougher to do that without Nick Bosa. Here's what I find fascinating about. Let me get back to the playoffs discussion. How to Penn State. Schedule. It never dawned on me until I started looking at it for this game, but their schedule is so much more advantageous to making a run to the playoff. Then I would say any other team in the in the big ten. And we could argue whether that's Michigan state or not. What we all wrote Michigan state off after they lost their as on a state, which I think might be a little premature. But anyway, Penn State's toughest games are at home a high state this week. They're off next week and then Michigan state. I win Wisconsin or at home now they do have to go to Ann Arbor, but there are other road games are Indiana and Rutgers. So it's really. Set up nicely. Now, obviously they'll lions the problem, but but it set up nicely for Penn State to make a really good stretch run. It is. Listen, live in, come on. You gotta. Give me some credit. I just had an answer for you how the all the problem. Well, listen, is this looking issue come on Chris? Well, then I misunderstood you. I heard the part where it wasn't where it was backed up to depth. I didn't hear the part that you considered it a strength. So my my apologies. Anyway, gentleman as I was going to. Yes, we're talking about why you're not listening. No. I'm sorry how they're doing things head against computer. Okay. If they don't have a lot of margin for error because of that non conference schedule upstate pit and Kent state. So it honestly, it's very similar to Georgia in my mind and that they have a lot of good income opportunities. But the non conference schedule is very weak. And when you look at the big ten from the big ten's perspective, if I'm Jim Delany, I'm rooting for state because they beat TCU. And if you've got a one loss conference champion compared with other power, five one loss conference champions and it's either Penn State or Ohio State. You want it to be Ohio State, assuming TCU rebounds from it's back to back losses and finishes at the two loss team, but that non conference schedule could come back to haunt them if they lose a game. Now I'm looking at Michigan state which of course, as I said, goes to Penn State, but high state in Michigan, both Goethe east Lansing, and there are other road gains other than ten state are are Maryland in Nebraska. So maybe it's it's, I think it's more of a four team race in the east. Then we all give credit for. So. I'll keep coming back to this that you know, because I talk so much about non-conference schedules. I feel like everyone is assuming Clemson is a lock because they're four, no, and they're Clemson, but they might not have one ranked opponent on their schedule all season. By the time, this thing is said and done. Boston College losing to Purdue was big because it knocks them out of the top twenty five, just the sheer incompetence of the entire ACC this year does not bode well for Clemson. So if they, Josh, Josh could be very excited about a Syracuse win over Clemson Clinton. Hey, been there been there? Yeah, exactly. Thirty percents. Better than I mean in each of the past two years, Clemson has lost two at team that it was not quote supposed to write. So as I kinda nitpick Penn State schedule and talk about that, it's also on the other hand, wait a minute. Clemson has like zero margin for error. In my mind. University of Syracuse is better. I think certain. Well, of course, there's keys course. They're better than Josh gives them credit for because he he's a Syracuse fan, but I think they're pretty good. I, I'm not going to sit here and tell you they're going to beat Clemson with a quarterback making his first start. You know when Syracuse may have one of the best quarterbacks in the country, I'm not going to say that, but. Last year, they are not going into death valley and winning again. Clemson has this game circle and they're going to. They're, they're gonna whip up on them. Okay. All right. Mark that statement and we will come back to it on Monday. Let's go to the big twelve West Virginia number twelve at Texas Tech number twenty. Five. Adam? Can we say it's an elimination game in the conference. Well, yeah, for the conference rates, I don't know. I mean, they're both teams still have to play Oklahoma. Both teams still have to play a Texas which is emerging now, but it's certainly a big opportunity for for a number of reasons. I think the big twelve to me might be the most interesting conference rates right now maybe taking the SEC west out of it, but you Texas Tech's defense was just stunned with some of the numbers that they put up at Oklahoma state. You're no points allowed in the second half the only thing, Oklahoma state it'd been shut out since two thousand nine, no passing yards allowed in the fourth quarter and go home estate, and that's insane. So this'll be a nice test for will Greer as he's trying to assert himself and the Heisman race. I think there's more attention justifiably paid so far to what is doing it, Alabama, as is what Kyle Murray is doing it Oklahoma, but here's a big chance for for will Greer to show, hey, I'm still here. I'm going to be a factor in this thing and you'll be a nice road win for Dana Holger sin going back to Texas. Tech and going against his good friend clip Kingsbury who I wrote about this a little bit on Monday. A lot of people had cliff Kingsbury pretty much done as far as his coaching career entering the season that he would lose his job. And I guess it could still happen, but he's had a really nice start to the season with that Oklahoma state win coming off of the Houston win the week before. So I think there'll be some good buzz in Lubbock and probably a lot of points. But both these teams can also play a little bit of defense, which is amazing to me how they're when you think about how epic leap poor red writers defense has been really throughout berries. Tenure with the exception of began to see it last year and it's a credit to David Gibbs who landed at Texas Tech. I think four years ago and it's just slowly and methodically created what has become a very good defense and. Yeah. I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying that, but it it. It's true. I mean, for the numbers that that Adam pointed out and I, I don't know. I West Virginia has won the last two visits to Lubbock. It's traditionally considered a tough place to play, but always Wendy, which is tough for supposed to be difficult for passing quarterback, but I don't know what do you see here? I think it's going to be difficult for West Virginia to win on the road, but if they do, I think thanks can get a lot more interesting because that could position that in my mind to be undefeated going into the November third game at Texas and coming into the season. I thought it was Oklahoma or bust essentially for the big twelve. And I still believe that even though they struggle to be army in overtime, by the way, I don't think people are given army enough credit. I mean, I know Oklahoma should've won that game and it shouldn't have gone into overtime. But that's one of those tricky games. You can't just it's hard to prepare for that anyway. I digress. I think if it comes down to Oklahoma West Virginia on that Friday night to end the season, like I thought it would going into into into the year, I think it can be really good for the big twelve as a conference and their playoff hopes. But if f p is right, our football power decks, west, Virginia's gonna lose at Texas Tech. They're going to lose that Texas. They're going to lose that Oklahoma state kind of leaves that game against Oklahoma. So I don't know. That's, that's why I think it's so important for them to go on the road and win at Texas Tech because I think it changes the whole picture not just for them, but for the league. Let's be the first to beat the drum for November. Third, West Virginia, Texas, Duke Miami, and which is a game that you know in the actually may have some relevance. And of course, the two biggest game Stanford, Washington, Alabama, LSU. I'm sure there's a game in the big ten that I'm not mentioning since I've mentioned every other conference, but it's not Wisconsin Rutgers they play on the thirds. I digress. Does this mean Adam in your mind? Do you. As you know, Heather made a great point about people just sorta say, well, it's army. And so of course, Oklahoma has every chance of struggling, but was there anything they are Saturday night that troubles you about the Sooners for the long haul. Glad you asked a guy. I again, it shows to me that Oklahoma's defense is not going to be good enough to win a national championship. I felt that last year and I still feel that this year. Heather's, right? You're Jeff Mogens done a terrific job with the army program in reviving it and they'd beat navy a couple times, and then they won ten games last year. But if you can't get off the field against that team enough to give your offense to chance that's troubling to me when you have all these great offenses in the big twelve still to play this season, and I've talked to coach is a no, some Texas fans are all over me about some of the things I've reported about their personnel, but coaches love the Texas defensive personnel a lot more than Oklahoma's defensive personnel. So that's still my main concern with Oklahoma, where's the defensive linemen that scares you? Who's the linebacker that scares you on that team? I just don't see it now. Maybe they'll prove me wrong here in the in the next couple of weeks. But the army game underscored my general belief about Oklahoma, tremendous head coach, great offenses scheme, dynamic, quarterback, and the defense not good enough to win the national championship. I agree, but it was the same. Story last year to eventually gets exposed. Right? But the selection committee had them ranked highly in spite of that defense. And remember they called out Oklahoma's defense and several of those Tuesday teleconferences and ranking reports that they had. So is it a problem? Absolutely enough to keep them out of the top four? I don't know because it didn't last year. I think they'll get in the top four. I just think when it ultimately comes down to playing the games, they won't win the national championship. And I've been to your earlier point a Penn State at Michigan on November third. So that is quite a weekend. It is quite a weekend and let me just point out. Yeah. Okay. The Oklahoma defense was not very good, but. Georgia did need overtime to come back and beat them, and you know, and Georgia's solved the defense in the second half. But for the first half, oh, you flummoxed them. So there something was going on. But anyway, it is as I, as I keep saying it's still September. We even have one more weekend of football. It's hard to believe. We get five, September weekends, so I don't know whether saying it's still September is relevant when it's week five, but I'm going to stick with it because it works for me. One other piece of news that broke during the podcast yesterday and crisslow brought it up the Trevor Lawrence, starting at four Clinton against the university of Syracuse this week, replacing Kelly Bryant. Adam was a smart move. I the only one who has a problem with the timing of the move because most people I reached out to fellow reporters and such said that, you know, hey, this is an inevitable. Lawrence is a generational type freshman who's just going to be the guy who takes them to new heights. But but I guess when I looked at it and it's like, okay, you're giving this to javard Lawrence because he played better against a bad Georgia Tech team and ignoring the fact that Kelly Bryant won the game that really mattered against the really good team on the road a game that you're celebrate. A defense, your greatest defensive line ever was not really a factor there against JIMBO Fisher's offense in the end and Kelly breath reason, you won that game. And so what kind of message does it send when a couple of weeks later, he's losing his job to a freshman. The guy who had taken Clemson center helped them get to the playoffs last year. I, I don't know. It just didn't sit well with me and while. Yeah. If you have to ask me who's a better quarterback long-term, Trevor Lawrence, but the timing of it. You know, I just don't know how that that resonates in the locker room locker room that rallied behind Kelly Bryant who's been a great citizen and a great Representative for Clemson throughout his career. And he's the guy that one you the game? Yeah. He wasn't great against Georgia Tech, but they didn't need them to be great. So that just didn't jive with with with me. I don't know. I seem to be the only one who is upset about it, but but I just didn't. I didn't like the timing. The other difference to me that stands out as unlike with Jalen hurts or a fromage Georgia's at Kelly Bryant, a senior had there. So it's not as if he's got an option to go somewhere else next year. That's a great point of mind and think about it that way. That's fair and valid question. And if I'm Kelly Bryant, I mean, gosh, it's it's hard to truck back out there. I mean, he's he's been great off the bench, his his resumes, outstanding. But you know, Tony, Elliott also said the co coordinator said that the starting quarterback role is still a week to week decision, but Trevor has earned the right to run out there. I so, I mean, what does that mean? The law. The locker room. I, I get it and they do that a lot. These coaches now that that it's the competition never ends, but I think the team wants to know who it should be rallying behind here and given the upcoming schedule, and fact that Trevor Horn's has really good. I think he'd have to play poorly against the Syracuse and whoever else they have coming up to lose this job. I think this is very much about this is going to be the guy that we think can win a national championship. So we're going to put them in this position now and I understand that. But on the other hand, let's not discount with the other guy did in the game that you almost lost. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's it's and just to to your point, Ivan Kelly, Bryant could transfer because of the new rules and play next year. Year back. Right? So that's that's something else that that could be an option for him. That's really interesting to your point at them after this week, Clinton plays that wake and then a week off. So you almost wonder why, why would he not make switch during the all in two weeks? But nonetheless the switches made, and we will see what happens. Saturday at noon. That's noon kick Syracuse at Clemson. When we come back, we will get your questions using that hashtag Lachlan's. But first word, dateline fans Ville, make sure to tune into my new favorite TV show. Fans Ville presented by Dr Pepper airing every Saturday throughout the college football season. During the commercials fans Ville is the only show that stars Dr Pepper, what's the spotlight on fans and perfectly captures the emotional roller coaster. That is the college football season. Critics are saying. It's good. Fantastic. Is anyone else thirsty? And literally the best thing since diet Dr Pepper and Dr Pepper cherry in fans Ville. Dr Pepper delivers. I tour to force performance alongside legendary college football, co-stars, Brian, the BAAs BAAs worth Eddie. George, the mad Hatter himself west miles experienced the pain, the passion in the deliciousness of college football fan. I'm this fall on fans Ville presented by Dr Pepper, so pullover veer right slant left. 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Just get here if you can as as someone wants beautifully saying, Ben, Isaac says the first question at tweets from Ben, Ivan, what's the most iconic sound in college football? Could it be rocky top at vol's games, enter Sandman at Virginia Tech, the cowbells at Mississippi State the campus conversation intro, music, or the washing machines and cable cars in the background. Whenever Ivan is on the podcast. Ivo fan, hey. Hey, okay. Yeah. First of all, I am back on the east coast so we we will get neither cable car bills nor the f sixteen washing machines. Powerful washing. Yes, it is. It's those stains out my my other candidates for most iconic sound and football would be. The USC fight on little, you know, little thing, not just the song, but the way they sneak it in when they make a first down. You know, just that's what then. You know. So I would include the Auburn, eagle cry when. Yeah, that's good. The Auburn, eagle cry. Of course, the Michigan fight song. Definitely one of the greats and also the word I, I think is an iconic sound I? Yeah, I like that one one that I was expecting you to get in there was the was the Florida. Go gator. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no. And every school it's amazing as different as. Every school has cheerleaders, but they all have a little different icon. Ick twist either. It's the fight song or something emphasize that, I guess that's what makes it so much fun. That's exactly right. And I'm sure I'm leaving plenty out. I'm sure you are quickly. Yeah, Heather. Next question for you from smitty j. at Il smitty if Notre Dame and Michigan, both win out which program is more likely to get into the playoff, an undefeated, Notre Dame or a one loss champion, Michigan. I'll see. Like can't be both. If I have to pick one. I think it it's Notre Dame because of the head to head win. But in my mind, that would be Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama and Clemson, especially of Oklahoma's defense does what Adam projects it might do in an lose the Sooners game, which would not be unrealistic to me whatsoever. But undefeated Notre Dame in my mind is in. And when you look at Michigan schedule, it's better than Notre Dame's honestly tend to strengthen schedule because they would play ranked, Wisconsin, ranked Michigan state ranked Penn State, ranked Ohio State. And then somebody else again in the big ten championship game. I don't see how they could be left out. But again, the head to head should Trump the. Everything else. And that's why I think Notre Dame and Michigan, but both get in Notre Dame and Michigan. Obviously, both blue bloods, which leads us into this question about other blue bloods from a preferred walk on Kimball. He says, let's talk about those blue bloods USC in Ohio State have both fallen on hard times following NCWA sanctions, but it seems that USC is having a more difficult time reloading in comparison to the buckeyes is this due to one the severity of the sanctions to the head coaching higher that each school decided to make or three simply east coast bias? What are you saying. Love number three. Kimball great. Try by you, but you've been to USC campus, and if you've been to the surrounding areas with high school football, it's not east coast by the answer is mostly to with a little bit of one. I think USC again did get hit with some real heavy sanctions coming off of the Reggie Bush situation. We could certainly debate whether those were valid were or not, but they did impact the program. I think, in some cases more than anything that happened at Ohio State for sure. And you could probably put it in the conversation with Penn State and look how quickly Penn State is back when we thought they may not be quote back until at least twenty twenty. But I think the main issue here is the head coaching hire bio state. You had that incredibly mediocre season in twenty. Eleven under Luke fickle. After Jim tressel had resigned and lo and behold who's ready to be hired, urban Meyer that never happened for USC was lane kiffin Steve Sarkissian. It was now Klay health and your no no coaches with the accolades even. Close to what Meyer brought to Columbus. They were able to endure that twenty twelve season when they didn't have a bowl appearance or a national championship to play for and still went undefeated. And then they really got it going couple years later with the national title in two thousand fourteen. So yeah, I think I think USC certainly hurt by the sanctions, but probably hurt more by not having that Pete Carroll like head coach to take over for Pete Carroll. Whereas Ohio State went from a national championship winning coach in June trestle with one year off to another national championship winning coach, urban Meyer. Good answer. Keep the questions coming. We can get more good answers like that. Just make sure you use the hashtag, walk on the extra point. I'm gonna try to swallow my bitterness over the fact that I did not get a good answer. Your answer was good. Oh, okay. Fine. Now I have to beg for. Well, Keno agai. Okay. Extra points time for us to find a little nugget in the world of college football and tell you a little bit more about it. Now there, what do you have? So I have an updated list of the highest remaining games on the college football playoff race. According to leverage index, I referenced earlier when we were talking about how state Penn State, which is number one, but I wanted to point out the four, big ten games remaining including that one that according to our information group are among the top ten games that will impact the playoff race, Ohio State Penn State. That's this week, obviously, number two on the list, Michigan, Ohio state week. Thirteen. Number three. On the list, Penn State? Michigan week, ten. And the number six on the list is Ohio State, Michigan state. So the pink ten continues to be a huge fan. Factor in how this whole thing is going to shake out. We talked about some of the interesting conference raises at a mentioned, the SEC west, and we talked about the big twelve, but I mean, it all starts this week with two of the top ten games. The other one is Stanford Notre Dame this week. That's number four. On the list of plenty of good games. Two of the ten biggest are this weekend. The big ten. It's the big ten east. It is based on that analysis, but very good point. Thank you, Heather. Thank you to the signature DHS. Adam already have. So one game, I can't believe we didn't le- include in our November third rundown is Georgia going to Kentucky and extra point is about Kentucky because you tell me many teams other than maybe LSU that have accomplished more in the first four weeks. Then Mark stoops's team has you know beating Florida finally ending that losing streak and then a definitive win over Mississippi State holding that Joe Moorhead offense to seven points this past week, and you look at what's upcoming for Kentucky and no, there's some challenging games this weekend against South Carolina is one South Carolina handled Vanderbilt easily last week, and then they have to go to Texas. But those are both winnable and then you look at the remaining schedule, Vanderbilt at Missouri. Then the big one against Georgia at Tennessee who I'll see this weekend and Athens in crisslow put out as a thirty two and a half point underdog to Georgia and middle Tennessee, and then that Louisville who's struggling. So this has the potential. I'm not saying they're going to win the SEC east, but this has potential to be. A real transformative type season for Kentucky given what they've shown so far. I mean, this is Kentucky program that hasn't won more than eight games since the one thousand nine hundred four season on her. Jerry Claiborne they haven't won ten games since nineteen seventy seven. So and that that is very much realistic, I think nine or ten wins if they can stay healthy and continue to play the way they are on defense and and who knows what that will mean for for Mark stoops I don't know if there's a bigger job out there. Kentucky's treated them really well and stuck by him. But this is a very, very interesting development that's going on with with the Wildcats in Lexington after this hot start. That's a great point. And in November, third is is beginning to sound epic. All right. My extra point I'm going to take us back down to the days when beano an were on the show. You know, always tried to. I had a hat and I still have it. I have a calendar at home. It's now about ten twelve years old that list hall of fame college football hall of fame members, birthdays and so I would pick somebody from each week. It'd be Noah's on. Somebody was in the hall of fame and I would ask, you know about that all Famer and he would tell us a story because beano head anecdotes about everybody in the game. And I'm been thinking in my head. I wanted to get back to doing that. And the reason it comes up today is that yesterday, of course, Tommy McDonald the Oklahoma two time all American nineteen fifty-six Maxwell award winner died at age eighty four. He he went on of course to become a great player with the Philadelphia Eagles. But the story I always think about what Tommy McDonald is that in one thousand nine hundred fifty six. The reason one of the reasons took a credible conflicts of events for Paul Horning to win the Heisman on at two eight. Notre Dame team, and part of that was it was always Notre Dame was the only national school in what was then a a extremely regional sport. But there were other factors going on. One was. Well, Jim Brown, of course, was I start Syracuse, and he was not going to get votes from southern writers because Jim Brown is African American, and Jim Brown probably was the best player in the country that year and finished. Fifth, Johnny majors was the star Tennessee. Tennessee was very good. Johnny major suffered a severe ankle injury, either the late in the season to the point that his he just didn't. His candidacy didn't make it to the finish line. Well, Oklahoma, of course was in the middle of its that was the year Oklahoma won its second consecutive national championship. They were in the middle that forty seven game winning streak, but they had two players that got national attention. One was Tommy McDonald. The other was the linemen Jerry Tubbs, and when the votes came out, McDonald finished third tubs forth. That's how Paul Horning on a two and eight football team. Won the Heisman Trophy. So Tommy McDonald did win the Maxwell award that year. He was a two time all American and a terrific player. Despite being only five, nine of really good running back. He played wide receiver in the pros, and now he is sadly gone at age. Eighty four. That's it for today's show. Thank you, Heather. Thank you. Adam. Thanks of course to Josh. Tomorrow's show. My to show winning streak is over. I will not be on tomorrow's show. Peter Barnes, Fred Edwards in Jake Trotter will be here until they arrive. 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Hour 2 9/15/18

Dari and Mel

38:58 min | 2 years ago

Hour 2 9/15/18

"Dorian Malley SPN radio, ESPN app, good to have you with us taking it at ten o'clock eastern time. Get your any for the day in college football also talking a little bit of NFL as well. By the way you just heard the bear crisp alita give us his three college lines plus the NFL line. I do needed throw that up on Twitter for you, and I will do that reminding you as well. By the way he joins us via the shell Pennzoil performance line get triple extra protection for optimal engine performance shell, power, nitro plus premium gasoline. Scott Spreitzer out in Vegas. Gonna join us, give us his three college picks and his NFL pick as well as we move along in the show, but we've gotten into now Cincinnati's win against your Baltimore Ravens week, two of the NFL season, but much like we did last week with our overreactions two week. One of the college football season, we're going to give our top three overreactions two week. One of the NFL season Mel. It is. It is the hottest Melman. What is your number three overreaction to week one of the NFL season. I'm gonna say that this whole thing that that Prescott is that a good quarterback. They gotta find somebody and he's very average that Prescott s- quarterback that's Prescott does not have receivers tight end and offense of line at impacted. Obviously, it only went for sixty nine yards. Their offense is having trouble not because of Zeke, not being a great running back, not because of Dak being a quarterback that isn't the man for the right man for the job that Prescott is, but you need some help l. this notion about these quarterback star. Everybody goes right to the core. I don't think they watch the games. I think a lot of people just look at stats, adequate Bax terrible. You're gonna, get the quarterback, isn't the issue in Dallas. It's not the quarterback of the line and the lack of weapons around the quarterback, particularly tight end wide receiver, and there's Whitten dozen their prime there. There's great line from a couple years ago, this different cowboy offense. It's not that it's the other guys. It's not Zeke. The other guys, you got the quarterback got the running back. They unfortunately don't have a lot else working on offense. All right. So Dak isn't demand in Dallas right that that's your first overreaction number three overreaction week when all right. I'm gonna give you this. My number three overreaction for week is this that the Brown's got lucky to tie Pittsburgh. Cleveland defense is capable of winning games for them. Tyrod Taylor's better quarterback than he showed in that game. Guess there's no denying this Pittsburgh choked away chances to seal that game in the fourth quarter. But Cleveland made plays when it had to on the defensive side. This there's three elements to a football game offense, defense and special teams. Cleveland defensively is pretty good. Now five Pittsburgh turnovers that may not happen all the time, but don't big ones in the fourth quarter. Those were Cleveland give Cleveland's of credit for doing that. Offense did very little until the great touchdown catch from Josh Gordon tied the game, but it was set up by short field that defense gave it. The Browns made plays when they had to make plays. Each team had an opportunity. This thing in overtime. I'm not saying Cleveland is as good as Pittsburgh, but I'm also not going to sit here and listen to the fact that Cleveland didn't earn the tie that they got against the Steelers, good for them. Look at ties better than a thirty. Second loss in two plus seasons. Take the run with it. But I think Cleveland if we say they got lucky were discrediting the defense and Cleveland defensively good football unit. I agree. And I'll tell you what Myles Garrett the end the block late in the back that that push them back. And he had an unfortunate penalty that wasn't a penalty on the roughing. The passer, it shouldn't have been called. He is a beast off. The edgy is going to be the best defensive player if not right there Khalil Mack and others. One of the top four or five best defensive players in the NFL. How about your number two overreaction from week one in the NFL I, it's jets and it's not saying darnold. I mean, Santa had the bad, throw. The first pick six and all that. And then he played well, but he played against a bad team a team that may be one of the worst teams in the NFL and that's of over reaction to the lions seem ready to play. They cared are, but the jets had a pump. The. A little bit there. I like the jets are a decent team. They could be a better than these and if Sam is consistent but expecting sand Abe's, I Sam, the save your SAM's the, I think they did it with Mark Sanchez com. Sanchis just be careful. Don't put that much pressure on a guy right away, and Sam will handle better than happened. Then with the bottom line is don't expect what you saw against Detroit. Lions basically, lost theory sleigh early and they came back losses Iki lots early and their defense than shop. Wilson chance to break up the touchdown, pass Anderson. Any other events about what that didn't happen? There's caught two touchdown. A lot of things went their way in that game is not gonna continue. This notion of the jets are playoff team, I think is a little bit of an overreact. You know what. I, they're going to be two zero at the end of this weekend about that. I mean, look Miami's going to New York. I think the jets defense gets to tannehill a little bit of backfield of the jets is going to probably make ten. He'll make a couple of mistakes. Darnold around two can run the football. I think the jets beat Miami and they're sitting there which what do we say back in August said the jets and Santa at set up schedule-wise better than any of the other young quarterbacks because of who they were playing early Miami, they get Cleveland Jacksonville after that, but the first games, the Troy with that defense, which is good and Miami, create opportunities for your quarterback to have some success. There is no no doubt about that. My number two and fell overreaction from a week ago as we roll through the hottest. The Jimmy g. Jimmy Garoppolo is overrated and overpaid. He played poorly in the Niners loss at Minnesota. He threw three picks, yeah, those facts, but Mel, how many quarterbacks has Minnesota gonna make look bad. That's a phenomenal defense. One of the top two or three in the NFL this I don't think is a refund. Action on Jimmy g. in fact, I'd rather look at the long-term production from the last five games as a starter year ago where he went five and as a starting quarterback that's warm indication of garoppolos ability as a quarterback than what we saw Sunday in Minnesota. So let's get off this Jimmy g. is not the real deal train that he's overpaid. Now got the contract. He probably shouldn't have gotten look. The Vikings defense is going to make a lot of quarterbacks look bad. That's overreaction. Number two, yeah, they get the lion's this week at home Ed, y'all wit you gotta beat. The lions are reeling right now. So that's one I with your Saint star, is my biggest over reaction this, the saints defense, the saints in general, I, we Super Bowl that you're right. The saints lost to a team last week that at quarterback just being his own, he was feeling from the get-go, Mike Evans statue, everybody making place for him. Great. The saints have been historically bad starting team out of the gate and you'll get last year. Oh, and two years prior that they struggled in didn't do well. And it wasn't like they back met, but last year they did. Did say that gives you and I hope that okay. At the struggling first game, they'll get it together, the saints will they'll be better as we move forward through the season and Cleveland Browns. They say, the young defensive players will see what happens there, but don't overreact the sense of first couple of games of the year. The last five, six years have not gone good for the saints particularly last year when they bounce back. I think the saints, we'll get better. But one thing they gotta get traded up to get Marcus Davenport. The Pash rush has to improve on the defensive side of that group to get any better. Yeah, that was a little bit of a questionable pick traded up to get him that high. Did you? Boy, when I sat down with him after that at the draft, I couldn't believe he looked so much smaller than I anticipated a top draft pick position well, what they do, what they needed because Cam Jordan, they didn't have the pass rush and he he's gotta give it to them. But you're asking a lot of young guy that big jump up in terms of level of competition from where played in college. I'll give my number one real quick and this kind of tongue in cheek that. All right. What I what I wrote down here. Is that Aaron Rodgers is not superman. All right. He comes in. I've heard a lot of criticism of the bears rightfully so did they let that game get away from it more that maybe Aaron Rodgers didn't necessarily make all these place. For instance, the touchdown to Randall Cobb where he just bought himself a little time, found Cobb opened in the middle of the field and Cobb into the rest I, this is a little tongue in cheek to say, you know what? Aaron Rodgers is superman, and it's not just because of what Aaron Rodgers does when he's on the field. It's because of what Aaron Rodgers means to the Packers. When he comes back in the football game after that injury and Chicago, there's a different feel on both sides of the football field for Green Bay offensively defensively, yes, guys are making plays that they were not making. When Aaron Rodgers was not in the game into Sean. Kaiser was to think for a second that she Kogyo gave that football game away. As I have heard, I'm not buying that. Aaron Rodgers showed why he's an MVP showed why he's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL showed why. He's a first ballot hall of Famer. Aaron Rodgers came in lifted the entire team with his performance and they got a phenomenal windows start the season. That dude is superman. That dude is absolutely incredible. Well, I disagree with that. I think that that game should have ended in THAAD with Kyle, fuller interception, and it wasn't that granted the ball was tipped, and obviously it was not going to directly thought it was initially right between the two and three, and you got to catch that ball. And yeah, if that. Adar take man. You're not. You're not. You're talking about Aaron Rodgers right now being superman, getting the job done late. That should have ended, as I say in thud with a pick game over and how these quarterbacks look at the Matt Nagy and the the bears and their whole offense scheme and their philosophy get first downs and run a five, six yard out route. If you need their certain simplistic, things aren't being done. It becomes alley ball and seven on seven football and her by strong data field kit Bill wash. Most important thing on offense. I down and running a six, eight yard out is easy pitching catch. They don't do it. It's like these guys over think everything they're trying to be created trying to be now and be trendy and be something not what you see in the seventies and eighties, go back a little more seventies and eighties dig- on first down. Fair enough. Yeah, the bears lost opportunity. There's no doubt this was more just me praising Aaron Rodgers. 'cause I've been wanting to do that. There is that is our hot list or Email ESPN, radio ESPN app, straight ahead. Look at four more games around the country in college football that maybe or not top of your mind, but they at least to be near it. ESPN radio ESPN app. I just saved hundreds of dollars by switching to gyco. I should've done this years ago. Disclaimer crumbling Buchan time is physically impossible unless you know how to build a functioning time machine. Then by all means trouble twenty five years back in time, Switzer car insurance Geico you could save up bunch of money while you're there. 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Meanwhile, let's dieback into some of the other games that might be a little bit on your radar in week. Three of the college football season. We fired up with this. Number five, Oklahoma at Iowa State. Just got shivers from what happened a year ago in Norman when these played by the way you can see this noon eastern on ABC. Remember when I was state went and hung thirty eight spot on Oklahoma last year out of nowhere Norman with a third team quarterback. Now that thirteen quarterbacks, Kyle camp camp is highly questionable to play in this game, and I always stayed got beat thirteen three scored a field goal last week at Iowa, and it was bad luck for them because they were supposed to open it home two weeks ago, whether cost them that football game. So now they've got to go open at Iowa, our tribal good defense they're facing. They couldn't get going now is their home opener for fifth-ranked, Oklahoma and camp to beat the Sooners your ago may not be able to play. I, I don't think we're going to get the same result as the last year. Well, no, I don't think you will. I think David Montgomery for Iowa State now you can key on him even more Dari last year or six games, the average under four yards a carry so far this year hadn't got it going yet and against. Iowa. It was seventeen carries forty four yards stacked that box. You can take away any great back and Montgomery as a heck of a back bay is not getting going and and for I say, we're the points come, how do they score points for? Certainly for Oklahoma revenge mode, a lot of weapons. They should be with say, three backs can take over Rodney Anderson unfortunately hurt out for the year. So that's there's not a lack of talent there. Oklahoma should roll to a relatively easy victory. Number Ted, Washington, Utah. Or so the huskies are going to walk into one of the most underrated places to play right rice-eccles stadium, Salt Lake City, Utah. Going to be nighttime, late, kick Washington come. They have a loss, can't lose another one. If they want any shot of playoff, they cannot lose another one. And then there's Utah who might be there is own ABI in a bit of a flop. USC not looking complete, Utah might be the best team in the pack. Twelve south probably is. I mean, this could be potentially the first of two match ups this year, the atmosphere in Utah, though, and a defense that's giving up virtually nothing especially on the ground as Washington gets tonight. Yeah. I mean, it's a four point game washes favorite item in a final four. You gotta win this game. Obviously you're at if you don't win the game anyway. So it doesn't matter. But things haven't gone their way. It's not just about the town's about the injuries. Trae Adams was going to be the best left tackle in college football out for the year. Now with the back surgery, the last year they have not been able to get Jake Browning in that zone yet. He's at. Fifty nine, four completion percentage. Three picks three touchdowns that's not working. Utah's defense does a real good job opposing quarterbacks miles Gaskin great running back and got it going yet as well. This Utah defense tough to run against. They don't stop the run washing those like they did last year. Vida was anchor defensive front. It's just not everything just has gone awry for Washington. Huskies need the show up big tonight at Utah to have any chance to win this look ballgame as only a four point favorite. Houston, Texas tech. I keep giving you my first reaction on these me your first reaction on this knowledge on the backs, Oliver, Oliver, this talk about pump the bracelet, Aaron, Donald comparisons, always going to be out there. Aaron, Donald had eleven sacks his final year at Pitt. Okay. Right now at Oliver doesn't have a sack yet. And I think that's where you wanna see our step that up. You know, he's gonna be behind the line of scrimmage, everybody double teams, Aaron, Donald, Aaron, Donald as a sophomore, had eleven sacks and sixty Ross. He was a marked man. Okay. Drop back the five and a half sacks where we got to eleven five and a half at Oliver last year. So to say, it's going to be the next Aaron. Donald is still right now a bit of an exaggeration, even though it could be the number one number two pick overall battling probably end up battling Bosa from Ohio State that defense undersea who will be the number one pick unless a quarterback, like Justin, Herbert, Oregon or Drouot Missouri jump into that leak group as quarterbacks tend to do Dari but read Oliver. I want to see them against Texas Tech, get some Saks. If you're gonna be the number one, pick number two, pick sat numbers, and this. Sleet or important and comparison to Donald right now, invalid because Aaron, Donald head war, much more impressive. Sat numbers at our though criticism hours player is disrupt the sacks to become the number one, pick it can happen. It can happen against Texas Tech. I doubt about Texas Tech. Yes. Put up a seventy seven spot last week that was Lamar. They scored twenty seven against an old team that gave up thirty eight in the first half to southern Illinois the week before that. Now it's in Lubbock. The crowd should be there and perhaps an impact for Texas Tech. I in Houston, beat Arizona last week Arizona's is one of the great disappointments in the country, frankly, under Kevin, somewhat right now, but still allowed over five hundred yards to the Wildcats I see this as an opportunity protects tech pensively to break out. I think Texas Tech will beat Houston today in Lubbock. But if they don't, we keep saying pressure mounting on cliff Kingsbury. This would be a bad loss against a group of team at home to fall to one and two. It's basically a pick them game right now, Dr. one one and a half lines. They're called us in Vegas. Basically, you pick the winner and you got the right side. Fair enough. Next up. Schori at Purdue. I think if you look at the end of last season at all of the results of the season in college football, one of the five biggest surprises would be what happened with these two teams played in Colombia. Last year, thirty five, three Perdue not so much the Purdue one, but the fact that Missouri and the drew lock offense. He threw forty four touchdowns a year ago, lead the country. They didn't get in the end zone against Purdue different story this time around, it's an offense that is, has finally found its rhythm. I don't know exactly what it's going to look like at the end of the season under Derek Dooley. But I know this even if he is not the offense of mind the Josh hypol- by the way to join us, unless ten minutes is as an offensive coordinator. There's so much talent on this team. They're going to get Joan against Purdue. I wanna see Missouri's defense against the Boilermakers Purdue by the way is really close to be into no, but an awful loss at home to eastern Michigan last week now has them to after they lost the opener. Northwestern, I wanna see Missouri's defense at work. I wanna see if Barry Oldham's right when he tells me that it's a unit that is going to be better than people think. And for Jeff Brahms. Boilermakers just can't keep making mistakes. They make their beaten teams everywhere, but on the scoreboard and they're walking off that field saying, how do we lose that football game now against Missouri, Terry Beck, ner juniors, defensive lamb, you gotta block. If you're do, he's disruptive. He's Activa plyer. But can you handle drew lock in those receivers and match up? They have not said before Missouri is not found that running game right now. Crockett's averaging three, seven Rowntree's average three, eight ish Witter average five, six akara went well over a thousand yards. If they don't have a running game, it makes it easier on their produce to get after drew lock out the worry about the stack in a box. I think finding running from his URI, it's going to be important today and moving forward from snow junior college in Utah to the university of Oklahoma national championship quarterback to the Oklahoma coaching staff to Missouri off its of coordinator to the university of central Florida as a head coach. That's the path Josh hypol-. Take it. And here they are UCF battling for that new year. Six bowl spot that a group of five teams gonna get hypol- cancelled game today joins us. Next ESPN radio ESPN app. You're working late. When you get into Lert on your smartphone, your blink motion, activated security camera, picked up something suspicious at home. You open your blink out and watch video clip of someone peering through your kitchen window. You dial nine one one and police role. 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What ball game at all. Well, yeah, you know, at the end of the day, that fishing gets made of my head, you know, you're really just concerned about the wellbeing of all the people that are going to be impacted. Obviously, you're concerned about the welfare athletes at both universities. The weather pattern coming in your kind communication between both universities? Both like departments there, obviously haven't conversation with people they're going to, you know, have to medically help people throughout the entire state there and in emergency relief people in and at the end of the day, you know, we got word late Tuesday that it was probably the right to cancel the ballgame. And you know, then you talk with your administration and make sure that you're putting your student athletes in the right position. Just take our listeners through today will be like for you and your staff got Florida Atlantic coming up Friday link and spot in what is your day going to be like now that you're not playing North Carolina? It's really. 'cause you're all ready almost completely done. Game planning for a game that you think you're playing on. You know, the Saturday against actor align of and immediately got to kind of flip the switch and move onto your next opponent. So we gave our players a day off in the middle of the week. This past week, once we got word Tuesday afternoon, game Wednesday, off our entire staff kind of move forward towards the Florida Atlantic. We spend a day and a half on Florida Atlantic gave the kids off today, and our staff went out recruiting a last night. They will be off will be in the office later this afternoon. And then for that land plays the late game tonight at six o'clock. So we'll be in early tomorrow morning, watching the video for that and then moving on which tomorrow turns into Monday to quick turn around. And so you know, works out about moving onto the next game. Players were disappointed about not having to play this week in North Carolina, but we'll be ready to go next week, Josh hypol- UCF I your head coach joining us dorien male, ESPN radio, and the ESPN app, Josh. She spent years under all mater staff at Oklahoma as an assistant running an offense as well. You go to zuri do the same thing. What's been the single most surprising adjustment from going. From being an assistant coach and a coordinator to being a head coach. I think at the end of the day, really, it's just your total involvement in the overall wellbeing of your student athletes the overall, you know, thirty thousand square foot view of your program in in in trying to always be a quarter ahead as far as organization, timeframe, schedule, schedules, which going to be implementing for for your players. Once once you get football fields, not a whole lot different. Obviously, I have a lot more interaction with, you know, guys are defense guide on special teams, love that portion of it. But I think that's the major difference, Josh go back to the us which withdrew lock Missouri. Now you have McKenzie Milton at central Florida at UCF. Compare contrast lock with Milton. I figured I'd get that question from you today. Mel. Folks are. Young man, they're both winners. Their skill sets are slightly different, drew a little bit. Bigger bills has a huge arm. MacKenzie really does have have a quick powerful arm, but the -bility extended make plays outside the pocket. I think both them are really smart players. Candy. I think that's the thing that maybe surprised me as much anything coming in here. Just his ability to grasp the entire game. Got great recognition of coverages understands protections, really well has the the to to change protections scrimmage. He's extremely bright smart player, who's he reminds you? Gusta Josh McKenzie, Milton. You've been around all these quarterbacks yourself as well. How do you see some similarities with McKenzie, Milton as a cop to somebody in college football, the NFL right now when I was coming out, I came out around the time drew Brees came out and McKinsey. Reminds me a lot of drew impart because of his build. But the power behind his arm, smaller guy, maybe a little bit more mobility than than drew at that time. We can just continue growing out of the pocket. I think through really, really good job and only has of manipulating and finding the soft spot in the pocket. That's something that we worked on this off season with with against UCF. I, your head coach, Josh hypol-, joining us Mel, you knew I'm not gonna. Let Josh come on the show and not go home remote, right? You know that Josh Joshua born and bred sooner. What's the school there? Sat through four really bad years of football in my time as a as as a student. Oh, you two years after I graduate, you win a national championship. I will never forget the two thousand season. So many things went, well. Y'all came out of nowhere to do it. When you look back as a quarterback out of snow, junior college at Utah, to winning a national championship in Oklahoma, what stands out to you more than anything else. Oh, yeah. For me, personally, I think it's just staying the course. You know, understand that working every single day pushing towards your alternate goal, but but having great purpose, every single day is what it's really all about. Something I talked to our players about nicely had a tremendous run there, a Lago rents that played with their three appreciative of, you know, coach Mike Lee to move gaming opportunity to to come Oklahoma and play and in growing learning that system. So you know, right coaching staff and and just really appreciative that up to Josh. I never be on a stage with you when you're lighting it up the Texas gay back when you were overthrown us little football fans, Josh after you had that great game. And here we are fast forward two thousand eighteen. And here you are right now I'll tell you, I thought I don't know your settle pitch. Like Bob stoops he, oh, it's amazing. You absolutely do. I was thinking the same thing in the way that you talk, Josh. That might be growing up as a coach for for a long, long time and being around him too. It's it. Is it Bob and Mike and Mark? All-south? Exactly the same. So it's it's. It's just a, I think it's funny. It's got an intonation thing now, but you got, so now you're back at FAU next week. So it's funny. I mean, that's great too, because it's it's, we're going to get a real good display of the non Florida, Florida state, Miami football, right? The group of football in the state of Florida. What is it that people don't fully appreciate about the great quality of football in that state? Aside from the power, five teams. Great players in this state. Now go to go recruit great players. You know for us in a four, five hour radius, you know, our coaches are on the road recruiting, they're in cars. Most of the time we don't have to fly across the country like the other place that I've been to scoop up a bunch of really good football players. You know, this conference that were playing in power, football, it's real. You look at what this conference does. We can leak out. You know, next week faxed up against FAU, really good proponent play great high level football, you know, this conference go compete with anyone and any Saturday anywhere in the country. Joshing. I'm not gonna let you go without asking about pro prospects and Jimmy one guy that I should be watching NFL scouts when he come in there and say, hey, you got to watch this kid. He's going to be an NFL player. Gimme one. God qualifies as a future NFL. Necessarily stand out, but I certainly NFL star. You talked about MacKenzie against being folk were back. You're gonna play for a long time because of his ability to to make place arm strike his is. He is a talented football players. Gonna play a longtime at a really high level. There is the first year head coach, UCF coach enjoy the day off. Although, of course it's not great circumstances that give you this day off, but good luck against FAU n beyond we appreciate you being on the show. Well, certainly we would much rather be playing this morning at four o'clock kick-off, but appreciate you guys. Having me on show you got there is UCF head football coach, Josh hypol-, and you're, you're right. It's funny because you know, Bob stoops has this very, very recognizable, very recognizable speech, Pat Bob, Mike, and Mark all habit, and it does. It sounds like it's coming across their Josh. When you listen to Lincoln Riley. Now it's the same thing. It's really, really interesting how that happens. He's big on McKenzie, Milton the man. Drew Brees comparison strong, you better believe. Absolutely. All right, so there it is Josh, by the way, Herm Edwards at coach of the twenty fourth rank. Zona state send devils is going to join us about forty five minutes from now. But let's dive into the biggest games of the day in college football, there are a few of them that you need to know more about. We're going to get you ready for you're gonna hear from Ohio State interim head coach Ryan day as he gets ready for his last game. As the interim on field head football coach remind you. Nothing makes up for your football obsession like surprised from one eight hundred flowers dot com to order a dozen multi-colored roses, plus an extra bouquet in vase for just twenty nine hundred nine. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com. Slash ESPN biggest games of the day in college football next ESPN radio ESPN app. Dr in Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Always good to have you rolling along with us. Her Edwards AirAsia state head coach sitting at two at sandiego state tonight. He's going to join us in about forty five minutes by the way, Josh Hypo was just on UCF head coach. Thanks to him. For jumping on the shell Pennzoil performance line to remind you today when you're listening to college game day on ESPN radio, Matt, Schick, Brad Edwards, Trevor madij, West Virginia head coach, Dana Hoeger Sohn will be on at one o'clock eastern time. That is a dangerous team in the big twelve a team that was supposed to play NC state today. But that game was cancelled because of hurricane Florence. Of course, it is now time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless, best phones, best networks, no contracts Mel. Let's look at some of these massive games and I don't think it gets any bigger than what's going to be on the planes. Twelfth, rank LSU taken on seventh ranked Auburn, Kirk herbstreit college football analysts earlier on Golic and wingo different animal. You go to your hair and in a rivalry game and take on a pretty talent all team who has just as good of a defense if not better. And when they're playing at home and you got a veteran quarterback now jeered stadium. So on paper, the game that would favor alderman because they're at home and because. Of the quarterback, but this this has the feeling of one of those typical. I don't know twenty to seventeen twenty sixteen low scoring who's gonna kit a block Pont who's gonna get a turnover, deepen the opponent's territory kinda game. Tell me this off base. When I say this data, two things one for each side, hell well, opera Djabel to run the football against LSU because that's what Gus always wants to try to do and chip Lindsey, the offense coordinator, and the other thing is, can LSU hit a big player to in the passing game because we have not seen that from Joe borough yet. Now engine Joep RO you'll be consistent for four quarters, throwing the football and make accurate throws either go back to the game. You know, it's Miami. There was interception to be had early on. It was dropped. So again, he has picked it up. I think he's realized that at the level competition, the athletic ability and the closing ability of these defensive backs of these playing against. But I think you'll get Jarrett's them. That's the advantage over or borough Jarret stidham is now a veteran quarterback. He did it at Baylor that it had all been when he just at last year. Now he's in a second year. He's a talented kid. He understands it. But right now, who are you leaning on? Yeah, that's the thing. These these teams are trying to find an identity Dr they don't have it right now. Now running ball consistently has been an issue, run the ball games going to be an issue. These defenses are very stout, Devon, white. If you wanna watch the best player on the field for LSU in this game for anybody, it's Devon white, their grounds echo players. Well, that fence attack, oh, for Auburn, but linebacker Devon, white for LSU. He just flies around field. He is fascinat- linebacker upgraded in years, and he is fun to watch. So you'll get greedy Williams as well the corner. But Devon, white number forty is a special entity on that LSU defense. That's a big one, of course, on the planes at Auburn. How about a game tonight? In Arlington, Texas eighties torn- ABC you can hear it seventies turn on ESPN radio, Ohio, State, and TCU. And of course, for Ryan day, the interim head coach at Ohio State. This is his last game as on the field coach because urban Meyer will come back from the three game suspension in time for nest. Next week's game. Here's on. Rather here is Ryan day on preparing for the horned frog. Folks, coach your first game as acting head coach on the road happens to be a top fifteen matchup how you described the challenge that your team will face going into Saturday night's match up. Well, we've got a big Jones ahead of TCU a program coach, Patterson great job over the last twenty years of really creating programs one of the best in the country. So we know that coming into the game guys are excited, had a really good week of preparation and so excited about it. And we know that coach Patterson is a defensive technician, so we know it'll be chess match. When you're starting quarterback, takes the field. It's been your message to Wayne Haskins well, it's the same thing not to over think anything that's going on preparation of in the same practice has been the same, but this defense posed a new challenge. You know, they got good speed and their defense has great answers adjust quickly to what you're trying to do. And so we have to be on top of that game goes on there. He is with Maria Taylor. I continue to look at this and want to try to figure out where TCU has an advantage on Ohio State at a hard time doing. I'm really. Impressed by the way with Ryan day the buckeyes look like a legitimate national title contender and TC. Maybe it's one of those deals to if this game was week, ten or eleven mile, maybe I'd give TCU more of a shot then being in week three against this book, I, I think this you said with you need to do one thing they can do is run the football. They got three guys quarterback Robinson, two running backs that are doing a good job. They lowest average per carry among those three is six point two yards. Now to competition gets better. But I think if you have pets rushers like Nick Bosa and you got Draymond Jones, athletic defensive tackle your run right atom, and that's where again, can they run the football. You got that ability to control a little bit. Keep Haskins off to feel control that clockwork that clock little short net gain by running the football TCU can't do that. Then it's Sean Robinson who oppresses runner against SMU. But Dr I throw a football, he's only at fifty five, two, that's the completion percentage. So you're not going to get a lot done there with that. Pass rush and those cover guys back in, I think running the football. If he was going to spring upset, it's going to be because they Rabl to run the football -ffective -ly against so high of state defense if they can't. And those shot. Then there's one team in the country. That I think has an opportunity that it absolutely one hundred percent has hit on more than anybody else. And I'm talking about seventeenth rate. Boise state mail there in Stillwater. They're taking on Oklahoma state. It's the only power five team on the Broncos schedule. And I think the Broncos are really good. This could be as good a team as maybe they've ever had. They are built on both lines of scrimmage, they are big. They look like a power five team. I said earlier, and I believe if they went into the big twelve, if they were big twelve team, that's a top three team in that league, they have blasted Troy which on the road by the way in week one was a really good win. They ran gained over eight hundred yards of offense against Connecticut last week at home. This is a really good team, but more than anything else we talked to Josh Hypolite UCF there in this conversation USF might be in the conversation group of five team that will get that one guaranteed spot in a new year, six bowl game. This is the one game that. Boise has to impress that committee and they can do it. They can go into still water and they can win this game. It's a huge opportunity for them. Well, it's the only game under schedule. Look at the rest of the schedule. There's nothing there. There's there's that one statement win the rest of the regular season. That's it. They could be eleven one. It's no big deal. You can't make any argument if you're eleven and one, you lose Oklahoma state. You got to run this table. They lost that Washington state and overtime by three, you go back to their twelve and two year in two thousand fourteen. Let's ole miss early in the year first game of the year. So this is the game where you can run the table and then you have maybe a legitimate argument, the pen and Oklahoma state on a highly ranked team either. So you would hope that they can Oklahoma state as a better year than people think and had any shot jumping up there. But this game this is about must win, must win for Boise state and it's Mark. It's Brett ribbon. Being able to continue to throw the football as effectively as he has. He's been finales, but he's been a guy I'm watching Dr. Just NFL stamp went because very few balls hitting the ground. He's throwing the ball down the field, not just those little. Pitching catch five yard passes. He's throwing the ball down the field from, but believe me a lot of NFL is will be on Rippin in this ball game. Yeah, veteran quarterbacks, the differences Rippin historic a ton of games in his career Taylor, Cornelius at Oklahoma state of fifth year starter or fifty or senior who lost a competition for years ago to Mason Rudolph who's now hanging out in Pittsburgh. And now this Cornelius team six touchdown by the way, passes three interceptions Cornelius in his first season as the Cowboys starter for my gun. And then road when you're thrown about NFL Rippin is they only allowed one sex at aligns held up then ding it, you're holding a ball longer. There's been more pressure on that line and so far they have held up well, can they continue to hold up well against Oklahoma, say who has been able to generate a pretty good Pash nine sacks already for Oklahoma state this year, what you need to know those three games as we ran you through those Herm Edwards, by the way, gonna join us Zona state head coach, thirty, five minutes from now, Scott sprite. Throughout Vegas. Gonna give you his three college picks and his NFL pick coming up in twenty minutes. We'll look for potential upsets as well. Interesting underdogs that you might think about taking, at least in my opinion, under the radar game still ahead. ESPN radio.

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Victory Monday! BK Recaps the Dolphins Game with Ryan Edwards

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Victory Monday! BK Recaps the Dolphins Game with Ryan Edwards

"Lee began today as meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mccafe. iced coffees. Close your eyes and deep seven and deep satisfaction out. Take a treat retreat at mcdonald's right now mcafee iced coffee and any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents until eleven. Am price of participation may vary. We'll be no death by inches. This is the broncos daily podcast with brandon krisztal. I want everything. I want all the meatballs and pasta. Heavy victory monday broncos country. It's always happy when it's victory monday. The broncos taking care of business against the miami dolphins yesterday was just what the doctor ordered. Twenty two thirteen was called a complete team win by so many people starting with vic fangio and then working through the organization all of the players calling a team win. We'll hear from vic fangio here coming up whilst from a happy and relieved drew lock but the broncos dominate on defense six sacks the interception for justin simmons late in the game to seal the win ryan fitzpatrick in and relief at two of who had been knocked out and it was a bunch of people getting in on the act in terms of taxes. John williams with me read. It was bradley job. It was draymond jones. It was demarcus walker. They were all they were all in the mix so it was good to see a complete team effort yesterday. Special teams really. Good they neutralized yukimi grant the stud returner for miami and it kind of relations. You what you thought this team could be. I guess maybe reminds. Isn't the right word but indicate shows you what this team can be when everything comes together. I know that can be a big. If but coming off the effort against the raiders to come back home a team that six and three that had won five in a row to buy low playing great as a rookie and to completely baffle him. Stifle their offense. Just thirteen points are lone touchdown coming early on a really nice catch by devante parker but just a great great effort. And you're on the ground for one hundred eighty nine yards you. Get eighty four for melvin gordon. Plus two scores. Yes the fumbles. Concerning phillip lindsay make plays eighty two yards on sixteen carries. Actually were tied both at fifteen carries for eighty four yards until lindsey was dropped for a two yard loss late in the game and and that ended up being the the difference after the interception so At least in terms of their rush totals between each other that battle but drew lock bad early. Good if not really good late certainly good. Enough completing seventy five percent of his passes. After starting over six. He finishes eighteen thirty on the day. Two hundred seventy yards. Maybe would have been two. Oh nine the the throat to end the sixty yard tim patrick. I'm sure help some people's fantasy football leagues if they played tim patrick. Or if you played drew lock The over under which i saw was anywhere from thirty seven to forty two for passing yards drew. Well under two. Oh nine he ends up going over at two seventy but When when you get a team win That's really all that matters now. You welcome in the saints team that took it to atlanta tastes. Him hill played great in relief of drew. Brees out with the broken ribs. Their defense had eight sacks came jordan the five time pro bowler at three. So they're gonna come to town. It's not going to be easy but at least twenty four hours. They always talk about the twenty four hour rule. You relish this win. Here's vic fangio. Dave logan post game and you can hear the enthusiasm and his voice. Congratulations i thought. All three phases contributed to this thing today all team with. Yeah it was. I thought sam Did a great job. Putting brandon made his kicks. I thought we Neutralize their return game which they've really been hurting people within Their overall kicking game has really contributed to their winning. And i thought we did a good job there. Although i think we did dodge a bullet on a potential blocked punt that they could have gotten out of spillover. Our kicking game was better. Obviously we ran the ball a whole lot better than we have been. And when you do that you know it just changed the whole complexion of the game and you get some three and outs that we were getting on defense and you're running the ball and the whole complexion of the game is different and that was good and obviously we played good on defense. Got some rush. We you know had the hang on there at the end. I kind of felt all week. I kept talking to the players that fitzpatrick was gonna show show up in there and he did so but overall a great team win. I wish we didn't have to struggle at the end there you know. We fumbled going in. But hey we'll take it no doubt about that. You mentioned the running game. Thirty-three carries for one hundred eighty nine ers. That's five point seven per carry. I saw different things in the running game in this game in terms of the scheme that had seen this year. Yeah i think we had a couple of runs in there and that were game specific for their defense and a couple of them. Pop nicely thought. Our backs ran good. I thought i'd line tight ends. Did a good job blocking and you know when you have some success with it you can stay committed to any gives you a better mix of run past. It's like i've been saying all along you know what's wrong with the offense. I said if we just throw it a little bit better that will help the running game if we run a little bit better. That will help the passing game and we had some more of that today. You know you defense play. Great as you mentioned the at six sacks on miami quarterbacks and then even though they had the lay driving things got a little bit tense with that veteran quarterback as he. He understands and knows where to go with the ball. What a great play. Great jump on the ball by justin simmons for the interception. Yeah was he He was looking for that the whole way there. He was on the left side of the field. Eyeball what was going on on the right side keyed in that. A quarterback made a great play and made a great catch. You know there was a collision there and just thankfully hung onto. Yep congratulations victory win. Thank you dave and how about a little bit more from vic who not surprisingly really classy gesture they end up honoring little. Here's what vick settling sat down. He was asked. Did you think about sending a game ball to floyd to or to his family as as we find out. The broncos hall of famer is in hospice As he's dealing with cancer so he was vic fangio there into his postgame press conference. Yeah we talked about him. One on the all time greats and bronco history all number forty four. I remember magic kid growing up. He was wearing my house. An eagles fan growing up but from a fire was a fluid. Little fan too and we did get him one. We're gonna get it sent to him. Then can you talk about defensive effort especially after you have the early interception in the game. Kind of just staying with it. yeah. I thought her defense played. Well good for the most part. Even after we through the early interception you know they had the work real hard on that short field to get it in there and we had a bunch of three and outs. We had a good day on third down. I believe for the most part and we justin came up big there at the end. We had the six sacks lot of them were up kind of late meaning late in the down the where cutting our coverage was good and Just really proud of the entire team next okudah. Did you do any in particular because he was a rookie or just kind of stick with a more aggressive package over. Well you know we were thinking to be a little bit more aggressive than we actually work. We did pressure more but actually it me before the game i we i was planning on doing it even more than we did. Some of the situations then come up. They had they beat us in a few of them. So i had to go back a little bit and we were able to Still get some pressure and still get them stopped. Ronald congrats on the win. As always to four The running game today. What about filming of and a follow up. I mean it was big car to winning that game. Obviously i've always said the court quarterbacks two best friends are running game and a good defense for the most part. We had that going tonight. And i think reflected in drew's play after. He threw the early interception. I think it was pretty solid after that. Then you know it was a great team win. They've been doing a lot of things in the special teams to help them win. We ran with to not give up anything there. I thought sam did a great job on brand made his kicks and overall it was a great team. Went follow up. Did the pet run a lot of new run stuff today where there whether different angles you guys want to turn a couple of neurons in for them. Because of the title france that they play and a good game plan by the coaches. We had some success with those couple of pop nicely. I see we twenty art by philip. A twenty five yard by mao and You know just some big plays in. But we're able to stay with it too and that's you know. Part of the problem on the atlanta game. Anyway was too far behind. It's hard to run it when you're behind the raider game you know we had too. You know we run it but you're going out a bunch that cuts down on your opportunities so amazon success when it helped the early doubt game. Two congrats on the on the victory What was it that allowed Drew to settle down after that interception to pat. Saying you think tim to kind of get his head straight. I think the i think drew comes back from bad planes. I think that's one of good qualities. I'll think it he lets it longer and get has a hangover from it but again getting the running game gone. You know which helps the game and have the defense play well alongside that you know turns it to where it's not a game to where you gotta throw it every play and they can t off in the russian also. It just changes the whole complexion of the game for coach. Congratulations on the win. Had issues closing out at times but today you did in what it was. Different and justin has had a terrific year this kind of just an exclamation point of the season. He's having thousand a great play by him. He had one earlier in the game at the gate. It gesture great player and we love having him came close to some place earlier in the game to besides the one that lost to the day. I think it's justice that he was able to get the game winner inch single. I know you'll have to kind of go back and look at it to have a a real specific idea. This would you see from sean. Williams couple with was really active. Wasn't the only one on the in the front seven. Obviously but we're kind of your first impression. Yeah i mean. I can't comment his tame play but overall front had the work hard. We did get sick but they were hard to get meaning we had. They were a little bit later. In the down coverage was good we had to keep grind. We had a chance at a couple of other ones but to patrick. Elusive is the scramblers and just kudos to our front. For the way they fought time for more trying to get your thoughts as we can't go any integration. You guys had third and ten or more four times today. She converted three of them. What was going on on those third and longs and made it work today. Why we've actually pretty good job. We've had too many of but we've converted our fair share of him relative to the rest of the league and Joe can stick it in there and tight quarters you know we have some good routes the protection good and you know we don't give up on third ten you know. We think we still can get them up to marchers. Circle have coach alluding to some of the stuff you said earlier. How much easier game to play and coach when you have an early lead and to what extent was this the formula. You'd like to see for the rest of the year. Yeah i always would like early league. That's for damn sure but again it just goes back to what i said when you are running it decently and you're playing good defense. The complexion of a game is different. You know you. you're not feeling like offensively mad. If we don't score were troubled got throw it every play defensively you can kinda call the game way you to call it not feeling like you have to call it a certain way because the way things are going and allows you to mix things up and That's you know we definitely would like this. Play that style. Play both sides of the ball and Still would like to improve our finish. Their you know we obviously could add the ball. On the one yard touchdown there with melons run. You know those are things that we can't do. And we've got to eliminate that which i heard you tell dave logan that you thought you'd see. It's patrick and you're telling players this week. So how much did you prepare for. Maybe on this. I at least in your mind and when he went into the game did it sort of unfold the way he thought it might with his execution to to yeah. I kinda thought that way week that if we played good they would put him at and that came out we he to. It only played three games. So it's patrick. Ups that we watched and the film that we watched the night. I watched the myself on the side I just kind of had a feeling. We're gonna see him if we played good and then of course drew lock coming off. Those four interceptions wasn't great but didn't have to be great was good and i think you'll take good at this point. I will hear drew. Lock with dave and then we'll hear drew his press conference as well because you never get enough of the starting quarterback when he plays well right. So here's do locks. Dave logan post congratulations man. Gr great bounceback win for him. Thank you that was a big one. There sure Hats off to our off tonight man. Those guys came into play and let us through this today. Tell me how tough it was. You'll put it up and you throw a pick and they get the ball on the twenty two yard line. Then they score. What was your process mentally going back in that game at that point given sort of how things had gone. The last couple of weeks You know was just. I don't even know you can't really even put into words. It's just listen. You've got to be doing this with a profound word at the end of that statement It's time for you to step it up and you know that doesn't necessarily mean you know you have to make every single play. You don't have to throw five touchdown to this team to win. You don't have to force balls down the field. It's just doing your job and you know letting the pieces fall into play That's that's the that's the thing that you know. I i need to really put in. My brain is know you come from college and you gotta make every play that is it is what it is you know. You're the better player. The best player on that team and That's completely different in the nfl. You gotta get the ball in these guys hands. Trust around game. Czeslaw solvents of line. You know outcomes might be different. Yeah no doubt about that Really effective i guess. Effective would be an understatement. Thirty three runs for you guys today. Eight hundred and eighty nine yards. We were talking during the game. And i made the comment then asked vic about. This is well i. It sure looked like there were a couple of new wrinkles in that run game. runs that. From a schematic standpoint. That i i had not seen. Is that a fair assessment. Yeah that's fair We were dialed in for this week. you know. We knew what we wanted to check into against their zero when they brought everybody. And you know we. We had around that. We liked going into that. We had been quite a bit of stuff that we ran this week. Different formations that a dialed and Coccia coach shurmur says the best though. It's the players not the place you know those. Those aren't integrate. Looks all the time. But those guys are blocking their butts off. And melvin fill royce. We're we're doing their thing tonight. Absolutely congratulations man. Happy for wait. Abouts back and we'll talk later this week. Thank you so. I think withdrew. You hear more relief than overall exuberance and that's okay till he was a little bit looser and i got some smiles awesome smiles in the postgame. Zoom press conference will let you for from do here as well and the first question to drew was about his sore ribs and as well as the team's mentality going into this game Had they approach it and how come away. The this is a game that was pretty much chalked up for we played. It are a lot of people's is there's no way that we were gonna be able to pull this one off. And that's just typical. Nfl football man. You gotta take a week by week. And that's what. I figured out that was really hot. Dolphins team covenant if in scoring points on defense takeovers or turnovers. Taking the ball away from offense. I was extremely determined There's a lot of talk about playing this weaker. Not plans we can. There is nothing that nothing is going to stop me from. Playing games are definitely wasn't an easy. Be good practice. I through and even today a little bit but off landlocked advice house claims night. Nice game lori drew. I one of the renegade iota front row seats impress free with philip involvements work they're awesome awesome fill is almost these talks about in media. Shutdown deserves a whole lot of credit for this from game in this office The blaze on the field and in the locker room model from last year this year. It's completely different. So i've been extremely impressed with how east progress as a leader for this offense just as overall player in general second interception three and out how much of that third ten to hamler sort can calm down and get you in a group. Yeah it was. That was a big one. Knows one of those playcalls where you know. You're pushing the ball downfield sitting there. Take one if you have to now is the mindset going into it time to upgrade cages. A threat over the top. He's got a lot of speed when you mix that with you know really good ability to able to shut it down. Quick stop to guard. That's exactly what it was. Perfect timing for for both of us route. It words please. We gotta have these games. They're they're trusted tomatoes. That was one of the plays that maybe last week the week before. We don't make coming off visit different mile on the sidelines always progressing congratulations on the win. Today's you you had the early interception but last year. You didn't make a mistake. Seem to settle down calm down and then is this who this offense should be thirty thirty five forty or you know that balanced as you think maybe this is the secret sauce for without a doubt i mean about offense is always the best offense There's games where we start slow and we get down offense side. Scores guys were the baltimore. let's this is the game of football aren't it'd be ideal to be super balanced solid time attack And no mix things up on defense. Sometimes i say you down your throat more than than you'd like and Are run game tonight. Exploded too much shula. All the guys all of those guys playing their office plan going into this game plan a little monday tuesday carryover in a row this week. So i'm really proud of the guys for to adult and said that we need to ask you. Because i said that hug that he gave you after the first pick. He said maybe i know him asked drew. He's my guy. And then pasa tim patrick. It doesn't tend to be caught. That's the longest play from scrimmage yard. So doyle about the things you know. Dalton we've been like this since we got here First night in denver was knows with him. We would move in together. Suspend a whole training camp olivier's together. He knows better than anyone team him in riddle and i've been so appreciative of having those guys around helped me through some of these things now. I detest to them. I'm so proud of the way that they've helped me throughout the week on extremely appreciative and Know the last we did time since the jets ideal everyone knows the place ideal iota run out of you hold a little bit and then chuck it and gus appointed. Try to roll out. They brought the zero twenty off the edge. I believe it's tough to really get out. My main concern was you just got gotta thrill it. You gotta get it out Don't let this clock run outright year. At that moment. I knew it was either going to be right out of bounds or was gonna be tim down this time it. Actually you know. Make a play for some Something happens filmed. The object reset said earlier yet learn. This is a week to week business. So why would you mean by that You know pay cliche in line. You know Any given sunday ion says it. But it's very true. It's so true you'll look at the last games. These dolphins have had last games. We've had as an offense and knowing that. Come in here until you got around Definitely went in this game. No one's going to say that and and our locker room with our mindset and that's exactly what we were thinking regardless. How learn what you watching into from the last week and come into this week. Ready to go fired up. Take what you learned from week by week. And eventually this team's gonna have learned a lot and we're going to keep rolling and we're gonna end up in a team that's I wanted to watch out for. Lets you ever melvin gordon to. We don't hear from too much. Certainly not as much as we do from phillip lindsay but a big day the two touchdowns eighty four yards on fifteen carries. Here was number twenty five post game on on his day. You not to close job with scheming of the fries. Looks and being able to check out some great looks for that. Would it came down to a ouseley. Everyone execute on the line did a phenomenal job out. There being a bouncer. That he's really bulldozing guys over making a really great lengths sports and then we had to do a couple of guys miss. We did gracing. The secondly after a big of a relief was just the interception as heavy was happy sale. Man it's crazy 'cause Some work on You know every week some might think about some really caused to go to the game in pretty much score had know away from me. Like data sucks but You know these came through and We got the dog. So have you that droid. It's one thing to win. Melvin but when you do it where you control the line of scrimmage. How good did that feel. Because that's kind of the blueprint of how you and phil could work together right. Is it feel better. When you're able to win. At the line of scrimmage like that it definitely is you know you able to run the ball. Pass the ball Effectively on the game allow a lot more fun You know we can go after some fun with it. S what the game is about in balance are balanced. I think the biggest thing was this week. We weren't behind the chains You know shooting ourselves in convert. Not their douse Able to stay out there in kabul reckless It's kinda hard. We kinda shooting yourself in the foot third and long knock averted we were. We have good jobs teams execute Third-down burden Been keeping in filling on field arms to make to make explosive. Plays melvina drew took some heat this week when impressed you about how he responded today. Just like is a quarterback you know you have to be able to head at mindsets where not can get to you. You have to go out there and just make play when everyone is gets. You gotta understand and your teammates. Which and that's really the only pain that really matters. I'll sleep you know yukon weirdest sita. You probably ran across bangs. And you've probably heard something for good quarterback kinda kinda blocked at out and go out and do this needs to be done be noted like i said. I'll tell them all the time games winning by losing a win or lose his job especially at quarterback so For him to come here and be resilient dude you need to do to help. The team win lead after he took so much heat last week it just shows player he is good to see both gordon phillip lindsay get gone and something that we just haven't seen really to this point much almost two hundred yards rushing. I think I think broncos country will take that every week. let's go to the other side of the ball real quick before we get to ryan edwards from bradley chubb. He did have one of those six sacks. Is the best player in the defensive front without question. I think you make the case. Justice says the best player on the back end but bradley chubb came to play after a couple Obviously player week but after a couple of weeks without a sack was able to get one yesterday and will end was near till two bunch so He began his press conference by Answering the question. What did you guys do to to disrupt two as a game plan. We knew he was going to be on a decals off as knew he was gonna start to run game. Gladiator didn't have him with his big government. Wave moves around so we wanted to get some early rattling up. Barely feel like we. Did you You for the rest of the game. We kept him back there. So i was just to make sure we kept him in pocketing. Wants we did that on. Just his start adding up in the so. It was good for us Early the performance by the defensive front today is that something you hope to springboard and are are we starting to see maybe some more cohesion especially considering all the turnover in injuries up front for show a lot more cohesion. Those guys they play hard because they have to step up in roles were sheltered being now might be now so you just say guys that we had Starting to play starting play together with the defense and it's just fun to seize noodles guys were Plenty enough talented. It was just about opportunity for him now. having to sacks de walk the sack dre having second me and me both emi is crazy we sit back for sure fine. I can't wait to keep it rolling. You told me your last week barley. There's no quietness team. What is pushing these guys in daylight this you know because you got by and clearly but today like this give this team kind of that confidence it needs to finish the second half of the season for sure I feel like this was like ultimate team. Game are supposed to play amazing. Offer his split amazing on defense played. Amazing live we even when the office made a mistake or we made stay right there. We were right there to fix it up for them so it was one of the ultimate tango. Glad we had his game in. It should one of those Those games that pushes us words more wins than win. Okay that'll do. For zoom portion of this podcast. I want you to hear my conversation with ryan edwards from last night from broncos react Couple things real quick on the injury front Shelby harris don't know if he's gonna play this week. He started his workout yesterday. But vic fangio threw it out there that he may not be back in time for the saints game so not sure what's going on but he's supposed to have a workouts if he's on the practice field wednesday that's not a good sign I don't think it's my understanding. He's no longer positive for covid more to getting back into football shaper We will keep an eye on that situation. Graham glasgow vic fangio talked about his calf In his monday press conference as lower legs in the soreness air. He took himself out for the final ten plays. Let him play. I thought that was a better way to go. A mutual decision if you will sell Appreciate glasco being that. Selfless i guess to say. Hey we're better off here without hurting. This further led austin play. These final ten plays and they were up. I think at that point when he came out twenty two ten before we were reminded about chuck water. Chilly it's starting to get cold Snow in the forecast here in the denver metro. Go check water. Chile dot com use. Promo code chuck. Water be k. juggler. Chile's a spice of western life. Twenty five percent. When you use my promo code you also get your local grocers. Maybe after thanksgiving you'll make some turkey chili using similar great jaguar. Chili chili powder. So charlie dot com promo code chug water be k. right edwards from broncos country tonight and he joins us last night on broncos react like you always does so. Here's my chat with. I'm curious ryan when you in ben. We're talking this morning on. Bet fred opening line What betsy like. I'll tell you when. I light and hit pretty early phillip lindsay over right around twenty nine and a half depending on what you got. But that's where. I saw that. I love that and then my favorite stat of the night was drew. Lock depending on where. You're looking anywhere from two thirty seven to forty two. He was hitting two. Oh nine before that final heave. That wasn't necessarily intended to be caught. Tim patrick is he told his postgame. But that puts him over so some people were happy with that completion. And i'm sure some people were disappointed. Will yeah i mean you think about how many fantasy matchups swung on putting over one hundred yards. Obviously you have to one nineteen. So i know the league's i have tim. Patrick and i was pretty thrilled about that. But i i always think about those moments and you see like games were a running back will stop on the one yard line or go to balance the nick chubb last week as an example of that. And you know he's in every single lineup so those are always fascinating to me from a gambling and for a fantasy perspective. But now i mean we we the broncos in this one. I think we were. We were willing to take the points in this case but also you know bedford at a great boost. They had if you wanted to go on the money which obviously paid you get to plus one ninety on the broncos in this game so we ended up. Both of us took that bet this morning and now worked out nice. Yeah so when you look at the game and what a difference a week makes and we took one call from bill will take a bunch more but the aim starts. The first thing you get is a drew lock interception and it's like oh here we go again right and rises having them give them a hug on the sideline man are we gonna see brett rip and not that anyone saying that's happening immediately but what kind of game would have the broncos stayed with it. We saw more creativity from pat shurmur and his run design saw drew make some big throws and i think maybe the biggest of the game was at completion of k j. Hamler what what were some things that stood out to you. Well i mean you bring it up right there. He started owen six clothing interception and put the defense once again in a bad place. And it's just like what we keep saying over and over and over again this is what's killing the team. Is they out. These bad turnovers the leading the league turnovers and then putting their defense in a bad spot and this is the defense again. That's the number one red zone defense. Since last year so again that all sorts their stats to But but they always had an interception there with that was called back unfortunately but then he goes on so he started the whole game. He completed sixty percent of his passes. But if you go after the oem six start including that interception. He completed seventy five percent. And i slam the table. Of course because we got steve atwater shoutout but he completed seventy five percent of his passes after going over six so it was a complete one eighty from what he has been and what he had been all season to go into a really efficient thing and again you do the running game. I mean the running game. One hundred eighty nine rushing yards averaging five point. Seven and melvin. Gordon almost got an extra yard in there and extra touchdown. They would've had one hundred ninety and three touchdowns but of course he fumbled right there but overall mean you just have to be thrilled with the effort. It was a complete team win. And we really haven't seen very many of those and then make fangio said the second. He sat down. Dave he start talking about the special teams but they neutralized you came. Grant really good obviously brandon Makes his four kicks field goals and really good job. I san martin but the defense with six sacks. I say undermanned in some respects. You have to when you don't have your starting line. It's kind of by definition undermanned. Would you think of the defense. And the mixing it up to get to six times in basically knock him out of the game. I mean you have to love it right. We're taught you said a perfect. I mean you're talking about playing with your backup rotational defensive line and they got pressure up in his lap multiple times. The edge was getting their melik. Read obviously was a huge force early on bradley. Chubb may big plays. I mean you have. You had to be thrilled. And vic fangio characterized this really well a lot of those actually because of coverage because the kind of came late you know to his looking around looking around. he's just nothing coming open and then the pressure eventually got to him but that that for me again coming back to a complete team win all three really all three levels of the defense made place today there certainly things you want to clean up a little bit out there but mean th. They held him to that one. Touchdown couple field goal drives and the broncos really because just the way this thing was set up they really should have won by a lot more but it again. That's just the way it ultimately fell. They won the game. It felt like they were in control the whole time. And like i said this is definitely kind of momentum building moment for this team. So let's give question the bill in. La just asked me. Is this the team that we expect to see. Or is it a mirage. And i said that i can't answer that talk to me a week or two not not ready to say that mirage. But also you're gonna get this every week. I was just explaining that. I think it's a talented roster and you see what they can be what they're capable of. So how would you answer that question. A bill were call you up from l. a. Tomorrow night on broncos country nine ask you the same thing i mean i think that we we kinda hoped that if they started to be a little bit more efficient on offense and established the run and we knew this defense was was playing was a capable of playing better football than they had been so. There's just certain things about this team. And i think that's what's so frustrating over the last few weeks is because you just know that they are capable of so much more even with all of the injuries. There's a lot of depth and talent here but it's all very young and you just. There's something that needed to kind of unlock. And i don't mean that as upon necessarily but there's just something that needed to spark them and today's performance who knows i mean you know you thought. After they won against the chargers that would be a little bit of a spark but then they went to the atlanta falcons game. They were really decimated on the defensive side especially in the secondary missing both buoy and callahan. So they got in a big hole in that one. And then against the raiders. They just had a really bad game like just top to bottom a really bad game but that that game you heard guys like dalton riser ends. You heard Guys like even drew lock after the game saying that was a kind of an inspirational moment for them. The defense even said you know we can play better than this they. They knew they knew that performance. That happened in the third quarter. Where their offense only touched the ball four times. They knew that they can show better than that. And so maybe the loss more so than the win this week. The loss last week to the raiders. In the way they really lost in all three phases. Maybe that looks like the spark when we look back at this season ryan edwards broncos country tonight fame of course on sunday zero. Hear them all morning. Long than as part of the broncos. React as well from fred opening line to the koa fantasy football hour and then. Of course you're broncos countdown to kickoff final. One i have for you. You watch out of the corner. I'm sure the falcons and the saints. And we saw the falcons view weeks kind of have an idea who they are when they're great when they're not so great. You saw tatum hill. And the saints. What's the expectation. Because i haven't checked what. Fred has it but i saw someone tweet that it's around the broncos a five point home underdog to taste some hill and the saints had. He'd think this week's gonna shape up especially with thanksgiving in the middle. And now sean payton bringing the saints will the one constant i'd have between what they just saw to. A tongue of my law and tastes hill. Is they're both quarterbacks. To hold the ball really long time and tastes him hill. He is some hit some nine step drops in there and he comes swinging all the way back so we can see the entire field but that can also be a little bit dangerous. And the broncos. Pass rush i mean. I like the broncos pass rush in many ways especially if they get shelby horseback many ways. Better than what the falcons can throw out there without. The falcons are have all sorts of problems on the defensive side so today's performance was impressive in the sense that tastes them hill. Didn't look like an abject disaster out there and you know that he's going to be able to get some rushing opportunities. Michael thomas got finally got one hundred yard receiving game alvin. Kamara got a touchdown in the game. So you know the the regular guys were all gonna get touches and they're all gonna make plays but if they can get taste some hills to make some mistakes hold onto that ball too long you do like the broncos chances to get them behind the chains to get them behind schedule and if the broncos offense can play complementary and and put up some numbers like they did today. I really like their chances. All right hope. You enjoyed the victory. Monday broncos daily podcast tomorrow on tuesday. I will have a conversation with ian rapoport from nfl network as well as maliki read broncos outside linebacker. And we'll see what's going on on the broncos injury front as well. I believe the team will have the day off. Tomorrow is a rumor that i heard in a victory tuesday as well so a couple days off in this kobe world. You're trying to keep guys from having come in so unless you're getting treated I think that they're just keeping guys at home. So i appreciate you listen. It's going to be a busy week this week. We got a a bunch of good stuff on a mechanical stuff for later in the week as well. So even though it's thanksgiving may take thursday off give you the day off to watch football Have plenty on football. Friday to go behind enemy lines And look at the saints. So thanks again. Thanks for listening Congrats on the victory monday. Everybody broncos country and we will catch you next time on the broncos daily podcast leaving again today meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us a little treat can go a long way so pick up your mccafe. iced coffees. Close your eyes and deep sip and deep satisfaction out. I think a treat retreat. Mcdonald's right now can mcafee iced coffee and any size. Any flavor for just ninety nine cents until fm am price of participation may vary.

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Oh, but that probably doesn't hurt right when you when you've got that innertube around shorts, ice in ice hurts. At all times, we gritty. I like him. He's great as mascots go, I don't. Okay. I like him. Let's roll a new our here because we got a lot to do in this second hour morning and it begins with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've got their first win of the season in an aerial shootout in Tampa, but did Ryan Fitzpatrick doing the hold onto the buccaneers starting quarterback job was four more roughing. The passer penalties last night, how high prices the league paying or protecting its quarterback. It wasn't a lot over the first weeks of the season. Wind Clark will tell us who has been the most impressive. He ranks the top five teams in the NFL. I'm this hour Guetta starting now. It's just the beginning every tunnel quarterback got hit. It was roughing. The passer, personal foul. Nothing to pass up in the past. Oh, come on. What are we doing here? Gently lay him down Chris. Monday night football ain't Tampa Bay a big one between. Unbeaten bucket. Ears led by that man fits magic and look at the enthusiasm that he is found all over Tampa. And of course the Steelers are looking for their first win and early on Ryan Clark. How about this play by the fell, hey, this is what you have to do. You gotta make plays down the field. He was wide open on the cats. Chris Conte comes to make the plate and you punch him in the face, not once, but twice the seventy five yard touchdown for one and that Vance McDonald took down goes Frazier and often goes for the touchdown, steals admits an extra point. So at seven, six pampa at this point of the game. Now the second quarter bucks were down nine, seven second, eleven, and then the festival of turnovers would begin. That's Chris Godwin and that's a loose ball. God has the place all night that he needed to make variety to already birds that guy. He doesn't get the starts starting comes with the big plays his helmet own the ball second play. After the turnover, there goes back, man, listen, you gotta get in Tonio Brown. The ball early and you saw a conscious effort by the his. Berg Steelers to get in the ball close to the life and allow his yours after the catch to take put doodoo Smith Schuster was actually their big play man last night, but there's a twenty seven yard touchdown. AB sixteen seven Steelers next drive. Here's another tomorrow. This one not that's Patrick. Well, right here they didn't pick up the bliss. Boston comes three makes the play with his hands. And then you see Hilton make the interception, but it comes in the red zone, so terrible turnover for Tampa. And then same scores, second and ten. This time deep in their own territory wiz. He throwing this while you know, Dessi Palmer said, I should've been his quarterback coast. I feel like he couldn't follow go because of the pressure. It was an overthrow the risers with a huge play by the three and the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive passage through interceptors on three consecutive passes. We go to the fourth quarter. Now talkin here's down thirty two thirteen, but they're not going away Fitzpatrick thrown into the back of the end zone. Godwin comes down with a jump all four yard touchdown. Buccaneers cut the deficit to ten. This was a game in which wine Patrick could become the first quarterback ever to throw for four hundred. Yards in three consecutive games. This one twenty four yards to Mike Evans for a touchdown. Tajik off for fifth passages fire the UPC that this team believed that they can win. He looked like Conor McGregor when he's not out Jose, although in thirteenth, it really does what like Conor McGregor literally and figuratively, but there's rothlisburger to juju Smith Schuster and the Steelers would run out the clock behind that and behind a little running from James Connor. And it wasn't quite enough in the comeback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who suffered their first loss of the season, four hundred eleven passing yards. Three touchdowns three for fits Matty. I have so much fun playing this game. I have fun playing with these guys. And I'm, you know, I'm here to ready to do whatever it takes the help the team win. And I think that'll be my mindset going forward. I mean, I'd love to get a chance to talk to James face to face. Before I tell the rest of the world. We love James Jameson. He's member of our team in anxious to get him back. He'll he'll be great in our locker room, and I know James whatever role that that he ends up in. James will embrace that role and give it. Everything's got. Ryan Fitzpatrick started one hundred and twenty two games. He's now throwing for four hundred yards in each of his last three starts. He had one four hundred yard game and his first one hundred and nineteen games combined. I was four teams ago as titan in twenty thirteen. So let's let's get to the obvious question here. If your cutter, who's your starting quarterback Sunday against Chicago, it's Ryan Fitzpatrick is because of the way that he's played, but also the way that this team has looked offense with Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm. And I know James Winston will be the quarterback of the future. But right now, if you're cutter, you had to ride the hot hand as the showing Jackson said and those three interceptions doesn't cool that hand off for me. This team continue to fight continue to rally in the second half against the Pittsburgh Steeler team that looked to be blowing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers out. So for me, dirt cutter, you go Ryan Fitzpatrick and in the future you continue to evaluate nyc Evans actually took responsibility for one of those interceptions. But another thing that he said and of course, he's good. Good friends with James Winston, there are probably the closest friends on that buccaneers team. He said that James brings an energy that really can't be matched by anyone else to their locker room in to their squad. He was giving Fitzpatrick a lot of love and saying that, you know, he should be the guy for right now, but it's interesting that energy, I mean being in a locker room how much combat infuse this that is important. I think you saw the same thing Philadelphia with Carson Wentz coming back in energizing team. Mike was makes agree point. If you watch Jameis Winston, the pre-game talks and the different type of ways he tries to in drives the team. I believe that's true, but it also comes down to play and Mike Evans into showing Jackson in this offense has never looked the way that it has. Now the last three games Fitzpatrick would James Winston as the quarterback? Can I answer the question with a question is James Winston, a franchise quarterback? I James Winston can be a franchise quarterback, but franchise quarterback isn't about only what you do on Sunday. It's about what you do off the. Field as well as on. All right, fair enough. I don't disagree with you, but if he's a franchise quarterback, you put it back on the field when he's back and he's how? Well, if he's if he's a franchise quarterback, when you're asking a question about him, you don't say he's a member of the team. Aaron Rodgers isn't a member of the team. Tom Brady is a member of the team. We won't just be happy to get those guys back. We are waiting to get those guys back. And I think that's very telling when you listen to what coda was saying in that post game interview, fair enough quickly on the Steelers your former team, did you see enough of them last night that makes you buy back into them? It's been a very shaky. Don't think you ever get off the Steelers? I think the one thing that you saw that been rothlisburger still has legs left at Tonio Brown is Antonio Brown and physically they can make plays, but I'm still nervous about this defense. Even though you win the game, you create three turnovers. It's not the performance debt. You need to be considered a Super Bowl champion, and that's the standard in Pittsburgh. There sticks, Lombardi trophies for reason, and if you're not winning. Lombardi trophies the year is a failure right now. This defense isn't championship rate. You've heard booger McFarland last night and lamenting the roughing, the passer penalties, and the controversy continues to surround them. It's a team and it wasn't thing Monday night. Both the Steelers and the bucks were flagged twice with all four of the roughing. The passer penalty is coming in the first half the four roughing penalties match them most called in any games since two thousand one. Both teams saying, penalties impact of the game. Got the penalties kind of Mark the game. There was a lot of penalties on us and on them. We'll look at it and learn from it. We've always worked hard to play within the rules moves a tough time of it tonight. I mean, obviously the we had to adjust to. They were calling it tight on. It's like every tunnel quarterback got hit. It was roughing the passer. I don't want to criticize efficient, especially when you're talking about a penalty that that helps the quarterback out. But you know, I was surprised that the first one second one legiti him in helmet. You know, it was kind of like here not loud ring when the when your helmet gets hit, but there are a lot of I can't imagine the fans at home or join too much. Finally. Yes. So here's where this becomes a bigger problem, William Hayes, trying to avoid getting a roughing, the passer penalty there, and he ends up footing himself. He tore his ACL trying to avoid the sack penalty. This was against Derek Carr, and that's where you start to get a little concerned. Richard Sherman took to Twitter talking about this, and he said they don't care about the rest of us getting hurt long as the quarterback is safe. That's obviously true. And I know that Richard Sherman is speaking something he knows to be true, and it is implied that he's being critical in saying that, but the reality is look. The only other business that I have ever worked in besides broadcasting was restaurants. I was a waiter for really long were, yes, yeah. How waiter like touch to plates. I'm sorry. I haven't been an excellent. The conversation I making brilliant analogy and the two kittens. You don't have a really, really good successful waiter who matters and is important. And if you lose that weight or the restaurant doesn't close, you lose the chef. You got no food and that's what's going on here that this is not unique to professional football. They're protecting the most important people that's true of the whatever sales person cells. By far the most is treated differently than the people who sell a lot less than they do put this almost any other walk of life. They're going to protect the quarterback. Now we can have a separate discussion as to whether what they're doing is unfairly an unnecessarily. Putting other players in harm's way clay Matthews didn't hurt himself, right? He got fifteen yard penalties. So those aren't the same thing. It's terrible what happened to the kid in Miami and it will impact their team. But the reality is they're doing what they feel they need to to protect Aaron Rodgers Rothlisberger and guys like that because that's the league without them. There is no restaurant. No, I absolutely agree with you and I'm, I'm a defensive guy. I'm a guy who always hated all these rules. I mean green for my last seven years in the league, I was on. Every preseason video at the referees brought around because I was doing something that they were now trying to outlaw and you do have the gesture game. You have to figure out ways to play within the rules. When Aaron Rodgers goes down the league suffers, right? We watch that last year with Carson. Wentz goes down even though the Philadelphia Eagles win the Super Bowl, the league suffers. You see their energy that these quarterbacks bring to the game, and they bring to the fans, and the fans eat will dollars. And that's what it's about. It's about the bottom line and the bottom line is these guys get paid more than anybody because they're more important than anybody is William Hayes. It's going to be lost to the Miami Dolphins and people that love the Miami Dolphins will care. But when they go up to play the New England Patriots next week, they're going to be more concerned that Tom Brady's out there than the fact that will you haze is missing the game. The one thing I would say that I, we haven't seen this yet, and I really hope we don't see this. But what if some of this in trying to avoid getting these roughing, the passer penalties Lee. Leads to low hits on the quarterback, and we haven't seen that yet. But most of these guys that we've talked to have said, I would much rather get hit higher then lower. Well, here's the issue. That's also a pin. If you hit a guy like, and you know why pivoting. 'cause Tom Brady got hurt and for no other reason, Tom Brady goes out in the first game of the season. Matt cast the play, their eleven and five, and nobody cares because Tom Brady was not out there. So there's a small strike zone already. You heard, Alex Smith talk about it is going to be impossible to tackle quarterbacks eventually, and that's what the NFL and look players get it. Justin, Houston. Just this weekend said Jimmy. Garoppolo should have run out of bounds rather than running himself. Helm is like, I know you we're going to we're going to talk about, but the point is that is that is a defensive player in the national football day this statement ever per handy. And yet that's a defensive player, saying, man, the quarterbacks got to make sure he doesn't get himself or even the defensive players at the end of the day. Understand. How important on the edge there without right before the break coming up into the season. Some things have been at the head of the class. Got his power rankings show you, which I've been the five most impressive teams in the league. So far LeBron has one goal for the Lakers this year, and there's one team he sees as big as challenge. We'll ask Stephen thinks the Broncos can overcome warriors. Back on it is time for today's fundamentalist, and so we are three weeks into the NFL season. And that seems like more than enough time for Ryan Clark. Absolutely cited who's really good and who isn't. So today we have Ryan's top five teams in the NFL. What we really excited about is that Sam darnold not on my good number five. Invalid listens to go with the Jacksonville Jaguars and listen to this team would have been higher if Blake Bortles could be consisted. I didn't like the way that he looked in his office, look this week of the Tennessee titans, but without limited for net without that running game, I expected to get better when he returns. He has a little hamstring injury, so they are going to be number five. Number four. I'm going with the New Orleans Saints, and this is the reason drew Brees drew Brees and drew Brees and you have Sean Payton drew Brees no matter who plays with the right now. Michael, Thomas has broken the record for the most catches through three games because of the way this team works Alvin Kamara last week, fifteen catches over one hundred yards receiving and finding ways to score points in the fourth quarter to come back on the road against the Atlanta Falcons. I think that was a huge win. And I believe that this defense and Dennis Allen, the defense coordinator will get things together and we will see them improve. So they are number four. And number three, it's Carson wits, winsome Vania. Philadelphia. Here we back thing. Listen, we watch Carson Wentz get better right before is last year and we saw him improved throughout the game. This week. He got more comfortable main plays with his lakes. Thirty. Nine of must have it. Play rates to tablets in the backfield makes it thought Nelson Aguilar. He gets the first down the Philadelphia Eagles coming to defense is getting better. We saw them excel last week, and that's the number three teams. Number two, Patrick Mahtani. Listen, he's going to break the record guys. He's gonna throw more than fifty five touchdowns this year. You know why? Because I already said it. I said it last week and I miss it is only three point, two touchdowns poor week for the rest of the year, and he can do it easily took off foot off the gas last week. Listen, this team offensively, they're phenomenal. They have so many weapons on the outside. Patrick Mahomes a guy who triggers it. That's where you go for number two and number. I love the. Here's what sore my mic. They're going to score points on everybody. We don't care if it keeps leave is out. We don't care if Marcus Williams is out. 'cause you can't score more points state. We can show you this week. We'll come with tonight. We're going to beat the Minnesota Vikings and then you know what? They might just go undefeated. They may never. So part of really. Back. May I say incredible long brilliantly done that the next time you do a fundamentalist exactly like that? Well, my goal I the only. By runs. Hey. What him anyway, whatever. Do you have any beef with this list though? I, I had mad with the list on, so I talked about it. Let's get to Jimmy j. shall we this season's over after just three games. But what does this say about the way he plays the game and who should be responsible for his injury in the NBA season is right around the corner. We got Stephen on the O'Brien and coming up next and hopefully Ryan will come back. He's not coming back. ARCE. Where are you though? When it comes to hiring, you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Post a job in minutes, set up screener questions, then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard, and when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free at indeed dot com slash podcast that's indeed dot com. Slash podcast, terms conditions and quality standards apply. No days on. Shortly strengthen gradients man days off was NBA media day yesterday, players and teams around the country getting into all of it. And here he is even a Smith about a half hour thirty five minutes away from I take this morning because run through some of the interesting things that happened yesterday would start with LeBron talking about the Lakers this year. You said you think they make it to the Western Conference final that is correct. As far as they get before they meet Golden State Esco. Here's LeBron on the defending champs. We've got a long way to go to get the Golden State. They pick up where they left off starting with training camp if they start today or whenever they start, we're picking up from scratch. So we have a long way to go. You know, we can't worry about. We'll go and say is don't go and state is going state and Etta champions, and they've been together for a few years now. So you know, we put that to the side. We can only focus on what we can do to get better every day as Lakers franchise. And you know, hopefully someday we can put ourselves in a position where we compete for championship as going state has done for the last few years. Have you listened to the totality of what he said over the course of the entire. He's got a reasonable expectation for the season, and yours obviously is very optimistic. And if you look at the overall power rankings and we talked so much about the west being so much stronger than the east, but Toronto and Boston and Philly are all considered among the better teams. Candidly, I'm starting to come around to your side LeBron maybe making the Lakers potentially the second best team in the only two teams in the league that would beat the Lakers at the end of the season with a possible. Third in Houston, I'll give Houston to respect of saying they can make it intriguing and interesting. But outside of that, it's just Boston and the Golden State Warriors outside of that. I don't see anybody that I think I would spend my bet my money on beating LeBron James and the Los Angeles, Lakers nephew, LeBron James understand that you plan what house money, listen to his word, listen to his verbiage or whatever. He's a massive control the narrative. We all know this, but he's a three time champion. He's a four time league MVP universally recognized as a greatest play in the world who was telling you, look, we got law way to go. Go to states. Ben together. Did nucl-. Alias is intact. They've won three of the last four championships. I would know I've been a victim of that personally. That's what he's basically saying to you. So getting Rondo and land Stevenson and javale McGee and having Kouzmin Ingram in Lonzo ain't gonna get it done. He recognizes that he recognized that there's more work to do, but more importantly, he wants to make sure that's the position he l. acute because the level of expectations is not draped on his shoulders for a change because you know that he's in the same conference as the Golden State Warriors and the Houston rock look anyone who was expecting the Lakers to win the championship this year before they got LeBron is just unrealistic or doesn't understand basketball. The warriors right now are shaping up to be maybe the best team of all time. They start five. All stars hasn't happened since the sixties. So the warriors sort of our in whole different conversation. There were complete outlier. LeBron has to bring those young guys along figure out who's going to be with them when they get to next summer when they can go out and try and bring in one of these high priced free agents to run with him. And that's going to be the team that you also gotta remember something of ever very important about going. Not too many people are paying attention to the acquisition of boogie cousins. While on paper seemed surreal because this brothers, twenty eight and twelve. That's what he puts up for you. When he's healthy, you have to remember that he's looking for a new contract. He said, a five million. It wasn't people kicking down his door trying to get him get his services for them because he's coming off of that injury. Not to mention the fact that again, he's in a quiet taste. Everybody's not going to fall in love with boogie cousins. He is a big time player, but he is somebody that's playing on a team with Steph, curry that for two hundred seven million plan on a team with just so by like Draymond green and Klay Thompson, who are both looking for deals in excess of one hundred seventy five million. You got Kevin Durant that's made over three hundred million dollars and we know he could stop another two hundred million anytime he wants to because he's the second best player in the world. But you boogie cousins, average twenty eight and twelve and five million is enough for you in what world. So let's make sure we recognize that an understand that it. Wish Suming that they're going to jail. And I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt because all of those guys are great guys, and they're great players. And boogie cousins can bowl too, and he's not selfish like that. I think he gets a bad rap in that regard, but there's nothing wrong with him wanting to get paid, especially when he is surrounded by dudes who are getting paid. And that is an adjustment that they're going to have to make while they've got him on the court and he's out there to show what he can do. You know, calling him an acquired taste, I think it's a really well. Now we know about the continuing drama. We got dealing there with Jimmy Butler. So the t. wolves, head coach, Tom sat down yesterday with our Michelle Steele to take us through exactly where we are with that. It's not uncommon in the NBA. You know, Jimmy's not the first guy to request a trade, nor will you be the last in our job is to seek out a deal. That's good for us that can help us in. So we'll do that. But for our team, the important thing is not to get distracted. We're starting training camp to to be ready in whether Jimmy's with us or not with us, we have to be ready to go, Tom. Can you give us a sense of where the trade market stands right now for a top ten player like Jimmy Butler and the important thing for us just to, we know what is value is. So when we feel that we get something good, we'll we'll do it. If we, if we don't, we're not going to be pressured into a bad deal. We're gonna make a good deal for the timber wolves to where does this thing go now? Jimmy Butler saying he wants out. He's not coming to media daytime, trying to talk him into staying there waiting to see what deals they hit. Where does it go? Here is the problem, Thompson, middle, a man that I have profound respect for as a coach and the man. He's a good man in a great coach defensively. Anyway, he's talking like he has power. And you do not. The power does not lie Thompson to power laws. Glenn Taylor, the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves employs to though who has instructed to get a deal done and get him up out of here. Tom typical met with Jimmy Butler tried to gauge changes. Mind, assuage is concerned to some degree. It did not work. Jimmy Butler wants out because he wants out the owner wants about, but Tom was saying, we're not making a bad deal. Well, you're right. You do have some letters from the standpoint, we're not gonna make a bad deal, but you will make a deal if the owner and the player who doesn't want to play for you wants to deal done. And that's the problem, the person with the least amount of power win. All of this is the one talking as if he has some power because he's the president of basketball operations, which usually met his until the own steps in and you served sure thirty by reminding you, you're the individual who caches the check. I am the one who cuts them, this is how it's going, which is why I should have walked out the door the day that Glenn Taylor is telling other owners. If you can't get a deal done with my. People then call me directly. He is cutting the legs out from under his people, and he basically has made Tomba into a joke. This is not no effective owner would ever operate. I can't say that I strongly disagree with you in that regard. In this respect, when you are an executive and you're making those kind of decisions, they're all owners and numerous sports that step in from time to time and you served your thirty. We saw it in baseball with the Yankees and a rod. We've seen it in basketball on numerous occasions. It does happen now when they try to coach for you naturally, it becomes a problem because they've got no business doing that. But as an executive when you're not just take into account personnel, you're taking into account dollars and sense. And what have you sometimes you're basketball? Acumen gets in the way of your business sense. And the owner is there to remind you that his pocket is the one that's being effective. So when he gives you the job of president of basketball operations, he expects you to be thinking about him too. And usually when they step in is because they believe that president of basketball operations who. Also happens to be the coach isn't thinking enough about the owner. So to own a steps down to remind you, you need to be thinking about, and that's fine for the owner to tell him that for the owner to tell the other owners. Yeah, go ahead just call me directly and cut him out of the process. That's where my I was once told that when it comes to billionaires, they live in their own world. Everyone is outside of it, so them speaking against one another is not us to judge. That's what I was once told by a billionaire, went to be a world. I would love to visit some. Thank you very much. I take less than half are away here on ESPN or let's get some football. Yes, even has to get his show so he doesn't get to talk about the Cavaliers. We'll have Ryan Clark did that instead. They've scored forty one points in three games fewest to start a season since nineteen Ninety-three coach, Jason Garrett says, playcalling isn't the issue here is this quote on Monday. I think it would be false for me to say, this is about playcalling. This is about everything we're doing authentically. We have to be better. We have to coach better. We have to play better. We have to run it better. We have to throw it better. We have to protect better Garrett. Then voice support for authentic coordinators, Scotland and added. He will not make significant changes in personnel or in the playcalling operation. So Ryan Clark calling nothi issue. Well, I just don't like that. He didn't just put all the onus on him. You know, we've gotten used to coaches getting up there and say, you know what? It's on me the Bill Belichick way of we have to coach better. We have to prepare better, and I think this team looks unprepared. It doesn't look like a team that's ready to play and understand protecting your coach, but there's also protecting your players. And I don't think they Jason Garrett went out and did that in the same way that Jerry Jones seems to partake Jason Garrett more than anybody else in the Dallas Cowboys Ryan, how much of this is about the quarterback and how much of it is legitimate question as to just how good that Prescott is. I think it's a legit question because we haven't seen that Prescott. It'd be good since his rookie year. We know that that you're excuse me was ruled by the offensive line and Zeke. KEO Elliott, but you don't give him two weapons outside. You get rid of this Bryant. Jason Witten now works for us. He doesn't have a guy that he can count on. You look at the two interceptions in the game on Sunday Gallup drops a pass, hits them right in the hands. And Earl Thomas makes us Shing catch and then laid on the game, he's having to force the ball. And so I think that Prescott is a if everything is great around me, I can run the team. He's not a guy like Aaron Rodgers or a guy like drew Brees where it doesn't matter what's on the outside. You have to put the right personnel around deck Preska. I agree at the end of the day, they're just not a very good team. Absolutely around the quarterback and he's not he's there were very few guys out there who could lift everybody else up. Another one of them isn't going to be Jimmy Garoppolo at least not this year yesterday the Niners worst fears were confirmed and shows Jimmy j. the tornado Seattle, he's out for the year and after the game chiefs linebacker Justin Houston. This is the team that were playing was asked about the injury, and he had the following very interesting comment. I saw that was I think his pretty, he's not hurting at the series, but as a quarterback you should, you should step out of bounds. It's only. Hits when the made a difference, you got the stuff out of bounds. You got to be smart thing about your team. Ryan, you don't like it. Here's my hopes. My hopes are at the time he hadn't seen the replay. Any hen been told that it was a non contact me injury. I'm hoping that he thinks no sin hit him, and that's what caused the injury because if it's not, it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anybody say ally football player because Jimi football player. He's not just a quarterback and I know the world is upside down and we protect these guys like they're made out of feathers. But Jimmy is trying to show his team that he's gonna fight. This is a team that is down by thirty points in the first half and Jimmy is trying to endear himself to his teammates. He's a guy who's only started ten games at this point. We don't know what ton about him in the much maligned. One hundred thirty, seven million dollars contract. He's fighting for every single your and we're Patrick. Mahomes goes out and does a wurley bird on the field and runs around and make that makes that throw Justin Houston gets up off the bitch. The defense gets up. The bitch because they see a quarterback that's fighting for every single play. Jimmy g. didn't get to make his move or do whatever he's going to do because his knee was blow and it was non contact. It was non concept which means to me, it was gonna happen anyway, right? At some point, this is going to happen Jimmy g. whether he runs out of bounds or I agree with you because that he didn't get hit on that play, that was a non contact injury. So not the reason that he got hurt was that he turned it inside, but the notion that a quarterback should run out of bounds rather than turning it inside and trying to gain an extra yard. Like maybe this is just looking at the result and then talking about it, but we are trying to pretend to quarterbacks here. He is more valuable than everyone else he is more valuable than that one extra yard. Are you telling me his teammates would look at him funny if he stepped out of bounds there. I'm not saying they will look at him funny, but you wouldn't feel the same way about quarterbacks don't work out with us. Right? So they're not in the weight room lifting the waste that we lift. They're not out there running the way. We would their different ways that quarterbacks treated not only by rules put in. Place to protect them. But by the way that teams treat them, that's the way they endear themselves the team. How many times have we seen? Josh Allen drummer jump over Anthony Barr in the last two days. How many times have we seen drew Brees, put a spin move on pool and get into the end zone. We've seen these things because these are things we love. These are things that shows us that quarterbacks are football player suit. They're not kickers. I think we should abolish kicking, but when they as. As out of order bags are football players, and I'm never going to be mad at a guy for trying to work hard to get actually yours. Do you wish Jimmy g. is still playing me as an outsider in a fan? I do. Absolutely. Cow Shanahan does, but he's not hurt because he was trying to get an extra yard. And I just hate the notion that we're saying that quarterbacks. It's almost like saying quarterbacks people to because there are people and their football players, and I love the fact that Jimmy g. was fighting all right. I'm about fifty percent of the way with their. Meanwhile, if you had been Rothlisberger on your fantasy team, you had yourself pretty good night. He threw for three fifty, three, three touchdowns. That was good for twenty four points as for who you should add a roster today. It is time for exploring the wire which is brought to you by Subaru. Here's Matthew berry with the injury to Jimmy Garoppolo and by weeks coming for Cam Newton. Now he might be looking for some quarterback replacements. So how about any dome going on the road to peace, decimated, falcons defense get this since built laser took over as the off. Corner of since he don't. As the third most passing touchdowns in the NFL he's available and seventy two percent of ESPN league. I taught running back at this week is the guy talking about all season long, the Packers, Aaron Jones. How is this guy? Not one hundred percent roster in his first game back in suspension Jones led the Packers in both carries and rushing yards should have an even bigger role moving forward last year Jones. The second highest yards per carry among running backs with at least eighty carries Green Bay also faces the bills lines and Niners in the next three games. All team to struggle against opposing running back does available and just under fifty percent of leagues guys, I keep telling you this. He needs to be one hundred percent roster. Finally, my top wide receiver add this week. I'm going back to the Bengals in Tyler boy now has consecutive games with at least six catches ninety yards and a score. He's got seventy five percent of his targets over the last two weeks. Whereas all other Bengals have caught under fifty, seven percent. He's rostered in just twenty three percent of want the most in-depth Vanisi information or just want to see a grown man talk to puppets then get the fantasy show. Streaming all season long on ESPN plus. All right. Coming up, Aaron Rodgers. Look like a mere mortal Sunday in Washington. Ryan has an explanation why he'll explain that net. That was a crazy game the other day and what is now going to become. I think a Tuesday, staple with us here on get up. If you follow Ryan Clark on Twitter, you know is a lot to say about basically every my missing out on something here. Okay. Well, worldwide dance. The only he only is is when the jets when when I saw him dance yesterday morning in the makeup room because he plays his soul every day. He's still mad. I just I'm trying to get to the Ryan thoughts here that I can't. I didn't know that we were turning this until they ca- dance party. We didn't either, but that where we're going to have Ryan explained some of his tweets because if you don't follow Ryan Clark on Twitter, you making a huge mistake because you watch NFL games on Sundays and it's like you're watching them along with Ryan. He's making interesting observations for you and we'll do it now in explain your tweet. We start with this one again. You just saw the stunning game buffalo in Minnesota, and you tweeted at one forty, three PM bra. I knew it was on tape. Buffalo is back. This team is excellent. No vantera retires and narrow up like forty one nine cents, and that really wasn't like the true reason why they won with. Sometimes you have something like that. Go on and galvanizes. The team team comes together a realizes only the guys in the locker removed. They can depend on who they could lead on. And these team came out and played inspired. They got at the current cousins early. They created turnovers and Josh Allen play. The brand of football that was fun to watch and and nobody circles the wagons like attained that Bontade Davis quick and I thought it was amazing. A very well. Thank you. Know next up tweet that reads this Jacksonville, Tennessee game looks like the ten and under pop Warner city championship. What? What are we not on that personal? The uniforms were awful. Like doesn't miss loop like this. Looks like the Duval kittens playing against the Nashville nets like it was terrible to watch. And when you watched like lane gabbert and Blake Bortles and even Marcus mariota to the extent they look like my little cousin who plays into breath league van route nine, six. This was like a high powered baseball game. This set offices back a hundred years. Jacksonville, Jaguars wanna being a discussion for the team in AFC. They believe they have an opportunity to go to the Super Bowl if you can't get consistently from your. Quarterback, you can't win. And watching this game, I was disappointed in football in general. But more importantly, Blake Bortles than his Jaguars off. It was a terrible game. We will have more explanations of further Ryan Clark tweets in just a few minutes. Cleans welcome in herbstreet college football analysts for ESPN, and we gotta get you to weigh in Herbie on Clemson, making the switch at quarterback two, Trevor Lawrence, from Kelly Bryant. It's been talked about a lot, but now they finally do it. What are your thoughts. I, I have a question I gotta ask you when college football I started before northwestern was one and two greenie used to do this segment with me, but now has he punted on college sample. As he. This is is just beyond me as much seems to be, and I tried it really, sadly Jeremy. Larger news northwestern's best player had to stop playing football injury. It's a very those of us who bleed purple Herbie. It has been a very tough month and you know, he's also on a sad to see. I know I'm sad to see that about Jeremy Larkin. I'm just glad to see degrees still follow in college football, that's that's good to see. I, I think the Trevor Lawrence thing is is interesting because I think Trevor Lawrence is a super talented guy and eventually going to be superstar, but may Kelly Bryant when they went down to Texas, am played incredibly well. And to me face the adversity of the twelfth man and helped Clemson come back with a big victory and you know, so I mixed emotions. I can see on one hand why Trevor Lawrence, with all his abundance of talent is being given the reins. But on the other hand, I really felt that Kelly Brian has improved from where he was year ago, relent them all the way to the playoff where they came up short against Alabama and I don't. I don't think this is done. I think for now it's Trevor Lawrence, but Laura, I think that Kelly Bryant's waiting for his opportunity and he's gotta maintain a really good attitude because you never know when his number will be called, but I get it. But at the same time and. Kelly Bryant. He's been there and done that and been able to deal with some hostile environments, and that's kind of what makes him the player that he is. Yeah. Her come into now mater with some of these top teams as they have very deep quarterback spots in some experience at those spots. How about some early Heisman favorites? I know it's early. So that's why keeps saying early, but who do you like right now. Well, what to is doing is not fair to the rest of the planet. He's out there just doing things that we only see when we play video games and you almost starting to run out of thin, positive things to say about him because you just every week he continues to raise the bar and by the way, it's not just to it's the players around him at receiver the running backs, the offensive line, Mike Loxley calling the plays. I mean, it's kind of the perfect storm which we predicted before the season would start how good he potentially could be a distributor in that offense. And I don't think he's going to go away. So he's kind of an at a level by himself right now. Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State is having a huge year. He is a big stage this week against Penn State. So he's a guy, I think to keep an eye on a guy that to me, I don't know if he's not gaining traction because of who they played, but keep in mind. They have played TCU, but this week against Penn State, we'll give him an opportunity to kind of showcase his talents and and what he's been. To do through the first four weeks of the season, right? Yeah. We'll certainly be paying attention to that one speaking of Ohio State, Nick Bosa going down with this injury. That is a lot longer than I think a lot of us hoped it would be. Does that impact state season. Well, I mean you're talking about maybe the first pick in the draft next year and we we know what he means to the Ohio State defensive line. You know, he's been able to play inside. They moved him outside this year to be a dominant defensive end, and he's got so much better just through the reps, not just as a pass rusher, but defending the run and just being impact guy his t.f ELS and sacks. If he were healthy all year would have been through the roof. So you take him out and obviously impacts you especially on the road in this game. And I think that dream Draymond Jones becomes an x factor. He's a big tall rangy athletic defensive tackle. I wouldn't be shocked to see him maybe moved more to the outside, but because of his skill set, he's, he's, he's a big guy that I think he's twitchy. He can get to the outside and get pressure on a quarterback. So I wouldn't be surprised to see eighty six moved from in to out where he can be a little bit more of an impact and how he can rush to quarterback. All right, Kirk, I breaking news. I'm being told that Herbie will be talking. With greeny next week, if northwestern can just get a few more, we go to Michigan this weekend Herbie and I feel that I have not given up hope. I think that we circle the wagons like the bills last week and we take. What do you think. I love it. I'd say all three of us Ryan loves college football too. I say it was just break it down. You know, just hang out with king. I just wanted to be out of the man. I don't understand it. Get right in there, Laura, Laura, this isn't love. You love having talk in college football with you because I know you're right. They're concerned about granny because the first two segments he was on there and I haven't heard from central whoever they lost him right. Well. Whoever they laws to, right, we'll be back on up just a bit and we're talking all about Aaron Rodgers. Shouldn't they be resting him Ryan Clark weighs in on that when we return greenie. Okay, we're going to be Michigan this week and automate fine. Okay, good. Okay. Okay. There we go. Our tomorrow morning when you get up with us, Kevin Hart will be here. Tell us is eagles can repeat a Super Bowl champs and see if he gets on the stage this time plus Damien Woody. We'll figure out why the patriots have been struggling and Paul finebaum on why Notre Dame is in for a tough test at home. By the way, Jalen just tweeted at me. He wants to bet on the Michigan northwestern game. Speaking of tweets, let's have Ryan explain a few more of his again. You got to follow him on Twitter on Sundays as he's watching games. Here's a tweet. Adrian Peterson still runs like an undrafted free agent explain well, listen, I drive the three ages for like they're fighting for their jobs every single play, and they'll Adrian Peterson is a future hall of Famer. He's still runs the ball that way, and I'm excited. I think he's a physical marvel at the running back position. He's kind of our version of LeBron and everytime he gets downhill. People are in trouble. Guys are scared. I still talking about the day. We locked eyes in the Flatts. I've never been more terrified on the football field. So you know, an Adrian Peterson is coming downhill. You better strap it up because it's going to be after you locked is well, we'll have it was we both decided that at that point we were okay with being because and we dove at each other and I had a terrible stinger. He was like great hid. RC was like. That was like. Great job, Adrian, great job, but I couldn't come out the game because you know, at that point I felt super tone because I actually would scare. And finally, we have this one smart move. You say by the Redskins the kryptonite in the Packers locker room seems to have worked. Superman is down a bit explained that to listen. You watch every Rogers play this game. He looked more hurt in this game to me. Then he lived against the Chicago Bears. We one limping on every time we run the ball. He was off on a lot of throws, and apparently the Redskins put some kryptonite in Superman's locker room because there's no way that Aaron Rogers ever looks like he's hurt at the. He's heard, I believe that he'd be playing. No, I don't think so. I believe if Aaron Rodgers, if sitting for a week or sitting for two weeks, gets him healthier for the stretch of the season. You have to think about the future more so than the president? Yeah, it depends on what the future is. If he can't hurt himself in big picture anymore. You ask yourself, is he really helping you more than two Sean Kaiser would like, no, he wants to play. I mean, I think that's the other thing. I think he has a lot of saying. Yeah, he definitely wants to play, but you have to think for him as the coach, an organization. He is Ryan Clark. She is Laura Rutledge. I thank you both for being here and I thank you for getting up with us this morning. We'll see you tomorrow. I hate is next. The right hire can make a huge impact on your business. That's why it's so important to find the right person. But where do you find that individual Lincoln? Lincoln jobs mentioned people to your role based on more of who they really are there skills interests and even how open they are to -tunities. That's why new hires made every ten seconds easing Lincoln hurry to Lincoln dot com. Slash get up for fifty dollars off your first job post. That's Lincoln dot com. Slash getup terms and conditions apply.

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BK Breaks Down the Bucs Game and Previews the Jets with Ryan Edwards

Broncos Daily Podcast

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BK Breaks Down the Bucs Game and Previews the Jets with Ryan Edwards

"You've worked so hard for all the things have. The. Salary the status success. With that image, there's a drink. One to one wide want to loosen up wanted to take the edge off. But how do you know what a drink is more than just a drink? We get it we can help. Karen's grandview program has been helping accomplish just like you regain their lives. Talk to. Visit Karen. Dot Org slash view. There will be no death by inches. This is the broncos daily podcast with Brandon Krisztal. I want everything. I want all the meatballs Apostol. Just, keep coming broncos country after reported drill Casey done for the year with torn Bicep we talked to Vic Fangio on Colorado's morning news and he dropped on US allies. You're Wilkinson's starting right tackle will be hitting the shelf headed to I are for. At least a few weeks, he's going to be on their through the by week and the hope is with his fractured Shin that he'll be back and ready to go after the by which, of course is Halloween weekend. So he'll miss the upcoming game against the jets. Then the game against the PATS, which by the way was moved to twenty five from eleven o'clock next Sunday, October eleventh, and then he'll miss two home games, Miami and Kansas City. So four games for sure and then that by week hopefully, it's enough time for Wilkinson to. Heal up in that time you'll see Demar Dotson you may even see Calvin Anderson among others and we'll see if Demar Dotson still has anything left in the tank Vic Fangio's I mentioned joined us on Colorado's morning news. We end the conversation did Marty Lens April Zesbaugh by asking specifically about that drill Casey injury in a big blow it is to his team it is but you know that's just part of life in the NFL. You've got good players behind them. We're GONNA rally and do a good job and we also have added. Allies, you Wilkinson you know like yesterday was confirmed that. He has an injury and he probably also will be going on I our tease in your many years of coaching. Have you ever had this banged up a team this early in the season I mean, obviously I can't remember all those years but probably not. You said yesterday you make a decision by today. So since we have you rather than waiting until you talk to all of us at twelve thirty I'm curious have you made a decision on who you're starting quarterbacks going to be in New York? Thursday Yeah, we're still deciding on that. You know we made a decision, but I'd like to indicate with the team I before I say anything publicly. I mean, there's many things that seems like are tough for the broncos right now coach I mean quarterback play may or may not be one of them but but what is this? What does the team missing at this point that their own three obviously injuries a part of it? Is there anything that you're seeing on film saying we're not doing this or missing that? Oh. We're just You know we just need to make a couple more plays than all of our phases to try and get over the top tier. You Know You know on that coaching that's playing. That's everything. And not only do you have a long list of injuries but we've we've mentioned this. You've got a short and week. How does that impact your your game prep? Well if has a major impact on it, you know everything's Crunched up you know it's like cramming for a final exam and You know we don't do much work on the field as far as. Full. Speed moving around. So. Everything's adjusted for short week you know and plus we have to travel. To the East Coast tomorrow. So that that will wipe out a good bit of that day too so. We're jesting we'll be ready to go. To look for maybe some positive news here. One Philip. Lindsay. Do you have hopes? He's plan how close do you think he'll he'll get Thursday? Can you determine that yet and then can you do lockup date? He's not on I our house his come in and could we see him sooner than later? I think Phillip is close. We'll see how he does here today and tomorrow and how he's feeling and make that decision on Thursday. Drew is doing goodness Rehab. You know he's definitely gonNA. Be Out this game. don't know his status for the game that follows that if it's you know it's not that game then hopefully, the game following. Also fingers crossed. Maybe we'll see drew lock sooner than later, and as you heard there at the time, I'm putting this out here we don't know who the star is GonNa be I'm using the duct of logic and I think that if vic says we wanNA tell the team. I well then that means you're probably making a change because if you're not, what are you telling team Oh, by the way, Jeff still are starter you don't hold press. conference. Usually to say you're staying in school or to say that you're not firing a coach, but maybe I'm reading too much into it somebody who the Broncos told me I was I don't know I think I'm GonNa go with my gut and say I won't be surprised ones Brat Ribbon, and then maybe a bigger story not here locally although it has the potential to be depending on how the schedule shakes out here down the road and the. Spiderweb that's potentially. Unleashed I guess depending on how the NFL handles what's going on with the news at broke this morning as well that both the Vikings and titans have completely shut down their facilities after positive tests in Tennessee for. Krona virus with both players and with. Personnel Staff so They are being proactive. Those teams played each other in Minneapolis on Sunday and. The Titans won't be in their building until Saturday, the other they're supposed to play the steelers this week and It'll be curious to see if the if the league kind of cuts the head off the snake if you will and. This the snake cuts the snake off that yet cuts off the head of the snake is what I'm trying to say. And for the Vikes, they were supposed to go to Houston to play though in three taxes. If I'm the League I err, on the side of caution I thought they should have done that in Atlanta with the positive test for cornerback. Aj Daryl and we'll see if if that ends up leading to any any other positive cases there in Atlanta and if that spread to the bears and this could get real ugly real quick. So fingers crossed both the titans and Vikings are taking care of it and then we'll be able to. Move on and just figure out how to make up the last week or not. But that'll be on the league. It certainly won't be on Anyone else to have to figure out how to make those games up. It's Ryan Edwards is coming up and before we do that actually, would you hear from Dalton Reisner as well? Because I really enjoyed listening to Dalton with Dave and rick yesterday. Dalton's got great energy and even in a loss, you can hear why he's considered such a leader on the team. He joins them every week. He also joined Suzanne the pre-game show, and because I help coordinate that I get to talk to Dalton in passing and we give each other a little bit of a hard time for K. U. K. State asked K. State was playing last week he said he was Kinda down on them but then of course, they go in Norman to beat Oklahoma I think when I run into him later this afternoon or rather talk to him later this afternoon because we can't face to face interviews we'll find out that. he was all in on its wildcats. Once he realized they were playing the sooners. Before we get to adult no one to remind you about Chug Water Chile, Amateur Dalton hasn't chug water chilly. 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So let's hear from dollarized her joining Logan Lewis yesterday as I mentioned and typically when Dave talks to players coaches as well as John elway early in the week, he'll begin the conversation often the same way by asking hey, when you look back at the previous game, in this case, the box, what you see on tape. I think it was a tough day for all three phases for the broncos. All three phases needs to be better I. Think we need to work better as a team in terms of when the defense gets to stop. We gotta go out there and scores offense when the special teams my faults falter we got back up for them I. I just don't think that we have that jail and I know that nothing can really be said it's it's tough the day after game Dave just talking about the game and making an excuse because at the end of the day I truly believe there are no excuses. we just got to play better. We gotta be a better team in certain areas. Everyone's taking their play sometimes offense along with be perfect, but then they're running back would be off for the running back to be great with the offensive line, Mr Block. The quarterback had a bad throw or ten blocks for him to make good. Throw I. Just think that we knew joe better as a team work together better on all three phases of the ball man. So it's definitely frustrating, but it's part of the game we gotta continue to bounce back not waiver and get ready for a game here in three days. He, the first of all congratulations on your case day wildcats huge come from behind win. Over the weekend I'm sure you're excited about that. So the last couple of games, there's been a lot of pressure on the quarterback sacks, quarterback hits, and not not to point fingers at anybody on that, asking you to do that. But. What do you guys need to do on the offensive line to be able to give your quarterback a little more time to throw the ball Well, there's a lot of different things we could chat about man and I appreciate you bringing it up I think honesty's huge You look at the first game when we had drew in there, we had no sacks that game and that's because we were together an offense of line where Joan together as a team better in that first game and yeah, injuries are tough. You gotta be able to battle through that I think. There's a lot of reasons for the hits in the Saxon. The quarterback you know you watch the from yesterday sometimes they bring four and we my pick them up clean and we might have plenty of time in the pocket Sometimes we're in four and then one person on the office blind loses a battle that's going to happen. We don't want it to happen, but it's going to happen on top of that. You know. I'd say that never you're blocking their bringing six or seven guys, they know that we have backup quarterbacks in they know that court down they know that we're down by fourteen points and I know you guys all understand football. When you're down by fourteen points, it's hard to get a run game establish when you're eating the clock and you're trying to get back into football game. So you can be back in those big packages yesterday we. Get, down. So quick, you know you watch the film, you break it down they're bringing six or seven guys. Most of the time they're bringing one more that we could handle and we were throwing up and if they're not, they're bringing six guys and they're twisting them, they're making them one on one on the backs because we wanNA walk the big we want to block the big for the running backs. We don't WanNa put them on. We don't WanNa put them on check bear we WANNA. Leave them on Devon white number forty, five, number fifty, four guys like that. So. A lot of things to take away from the film there. Let's be honest I love I love the quarterbacks Jeff just didn't mazing job I have the high praise for him and Brett Rep for for coming in what they coming in and doing what they did hanging in there and giving us their best shop. Those guys aren't as as drew lock says an office of line that we're used to that we have to know that when they're throwing hot or that when they're twisting that these quarterbacks that we have in while drew's injured, they're not gonNa to move around quite as much as druids and be able to get out of the pocket and throw on the run. There's a lot of things I could talk about we could probably talk here for forty five minutes today about things that we gotta work on ways to improve, but in retrospect. Talking to my coaches yet about the film I believe that teams are going to bring blitz is on us. They're going to bring six or seven sometimes more than what we can block as an offensive line and they're gonNA force us to throw the ball and they're going to force us to pick apart the pressure but that's just my take and no matter how much they bring us into line we have to. Be Able to pick it up as good as we can So they're on like I said I feel like there's all stages have to work better together and it's of line we'll take that I don't care if some people don't know how full works how many they're bringing or what's going on within the game we'll be better players and we got put that on her shoulders and be better for our team we're. Talking to delegate Reisner we do that every single week during the regular season brought to you by Colorado's for responsible energy development I. Think what you said is true and I think also in that league when you know you get two games of tape like you guys have had the last two games you better believe you're going to get all sorts of pressures to until everybody works in concert and can establish. That hey, the broncos able to pick this up the quarterback is not going to hold the ball too long the line will pickup et twists the back able to stick the linebacker onto the Chin when that's a hot route, the balls got to be completed to the back until you guys develop that you're GONNA get. You'RE GONNA get pressures that even from teams that don't like the pressure they're going to pressure you get. You said it right on the you understand the game football and that's refreshing talk to because you understand how that works you. You know that that's why that's going on and on top of that you know you look at yesterday with a guy like Tom, Brady I think we have great pastures and we got a few sacks but we weren't being a ton of blitzes because we know that he's probably gonNA picked apart Tom Brady's been a leak for ten years. We know he's probably GonNa pick that apart if they bring if they bring. Them. So it's it. You could talk about so many excuses I guess my answer at the end of the day would be no matter what the quarterback does no matter what the running back does and no matter what the defense does as an offensive line we need to pick up the five guys that are splitting we need to do good and we need to make sure that it's not a half block we're not. Rounding around the edge making the quarterback step step up into a blitzing linebacker the running backs trying to pick up it's my answer would be at an offensive linemen we gotta be better and that's where it starts. Hey, last thing religio and you're a young guy. So this may not affect to nearly as much as some of the other guys but but I remember back in the League when we had to plan a Thursday. And even as a wide receiver, my body felt horrible I mean, how do you deal with a short week? What? What do you do this week and in what days do you do what you do to get ready to plan Thursday? Absolutely right. You know I know I'm young but I tell you what you know that doesn't really matter whenever you get done with the game on Sunday that you're going to war. When you're in the trenches, you're going to war those receivers running around all day quarterbacks for they can hit running backs are getting hit on run on run plays they're trying to pick up linebackers. We're all sore you know I I've already we've already been the conflicts already been tested. Guys were almost the whole team was in the training room getting treatment taking care of our bodies massages today making sure we're working out the soreness and making sure. We're not sitting around all day getting up and moving our body tomorrow we need to be mentally sweating reviewing all the film getting ready for the jets watching jets film tonight whenever you have three days, it's gotta be jam-packed but at the same time to know how to take care of your body. So making sure that your normal game reading I seen your body making sure you're moving around getting in recovery getting a list in you know all those things are extremely important and that kind of stair step. Today's more of a you know taking care of the Body Day Treatment Day moving around watching film tomorrow get. Through, get a walk-through lifting, get the body movement when there's going to be a travel day. So it's GonNa be Quique but we're ready to get a win away on the board for the broncos. We're all frustrated broncos country, frustrated We're more frustrated as a team. Were there every day working our tails off making sure that we can go out there and be the best team we can be and we're not doing that when we get out there. So we're going to be better. We're GONNA continue to work. We're not gonNA waiver says the NFL there's been plenty teams that have started really really bad ended up being. Great. Football team. So we're not gonNA talk about the injuries you know we're going to get back to work continue to push forward. We're not GONNA be the team that throws in the towel especially thirteen games last so we're going to get the boys going that's about for me. You can guarantee that as a leader on the team we're GONNA we're, GonNa get roll we're going to get a win on Thursday night we're going to get things wrong for Denver broncos. Well, I, like dolls positively. Let's hope that he's right and I guess we'll find out when they had to New York to play against a really bad jets team. Now yesterday I talked to Ryan Edwards as well. This was before we knew anything about what's going on at the quarterback situation. So you have to keep that in mind but. When I put a broadcast out in the morning I'm not GonNa, be able to track down that early very often although it will talk to shack at super early last week on his way to work in Tampa. But. Ryan, obviously plenty of good observations as host of Broncos, country night, as well as your Broncos pre-game festivities that you here on Koa, every single Sunday and in this case Thursday So without further, do you follow him on twitter at our Edwards Radio? Here's my chat with right Edwards. All Right Ryan when the news broke. Ryan take me through another Monday and another season ending injury. What was your reaction? When you heard case he's done for the year. Well I think it's like a lot of people. You know you have that You know sort of feeling of all man. Here we go. Again, another big time playmaker for the team down and I mean it you know there's some people that Kinda I saw twitter's the reaction. You know some people just kind of laughed because at this kind of gotten ridiculous. For me I, I'm still in the mindset of you know I. I haven't given up on the season. It's still too early in my opinion to do those kinds of things you despite all the injuries despite the performance that they've had so far in these games when we get some of that. But yeah, I think that it's it's just it's GonNa. Be Tough. You know. I mean whatever you expected out of the defensive line this year it included drill. Casey and you know I mean you you if you at least had dream Aunt Joan's to lean on that. You feel better but he's not available demarcus walkers not available. So all of a sudden it's to Sean Williams, and it's going to be mckelvin game art step into Prom, very prominent roles and. I at this point it's a massive hit I mean there's just no way around at the one thing that the broncos have been able to lean on. There aren't a lot of great things happening team but one of the things they were able to lean on as they were still pretty good against the run overall and that takes a hit. The NASD. ISDN. Size there will be there for depth to they'll bring him up but If, you're the BRONCOS and you probably weren't sure what you're going to do with Terrell Casey anyway. In terms of a contract extension or a new deal and you have shelby, Harris back on a bargain basement deal and he's already Shown to be playing, I would say a little better than Casey I think that that's fair to say right I mean he did have to Sachse Tom Brady and maybe has one less deflection. If your John Elway and Matt Russell and company and Vic fangio obviously factors into this. Are you looking at resigning either of them, and if so, which one is the leader in the clubhouse? That's tough. Call Yeah, I'm definitely considering it. I think you. You'd like to see what Dr Jones can potentially offer. You know later on this year you WANNA. See what Draymond Jones You know 'cause he's a a heavy investment the same thing with mckelvin game, they're both rounders. Kind of the future of your defensive line but I think you know stacking it with vets is always a good thing Mike per cell. If you can remind me is he going to be restricted after this year or sea? Is. Restricted this year. Yeah. I'm trying to think because of his years of service although there's so much practice squad in there I'm not sure if there's even one more year restricted because I feel like that happened with shack where there were like two years he was restricted with Shaq Barrett if I'm not mistaken. So if not, they're going to have to pay my cell I, think solid money too because you've got. A Guy that's clearly proven his worth and his. The necessity for him in the middle of that defense even with the. Addition of a game and so I think that. There's tough decisions would be made. You gotTA figure out what you're doing, Garrett Bowles. Who Continued? I think play pretty well, it left tackle. You're getting John James back unless he retires gotTA. Pay, justice. They've got a lot of really hard decisions to make. And they've put themselves in pretty cap situation and they're they're planning on rolling forward quite a bit of it. So they're they're going to be I think in an advantageous position regardless if there's a significant drop in the CAP which they're most people expect there to be at least drop down to around one seventy five that's the floor. So they're going to be an okay situation I think they can, and as we've seen from some of these other teams you know in the end cap money doesn't necessarily matter I mean you can find ways to fit guys in if you want down the question coming back to drill casey versus Shelby Harris. At this point, I think probably take shelby. There's more experienced there you know obviously when when the chips were down for the Broncos defense yesterday came up with a couple of massive sacks and a stalled drives and i. just he's kind of been the guy that has sort of kept kept. Pulse in the locker room kept guys upbeat for the most part in the locker room throughout this time last year when look like we're gonNA lose both shelby and Derek Wolfe we thought that'd be a really massive, the defensive line that got back shelby and obviously the better for it. He's he's been a standout player from since week one and continues to be that regardless of however anybody else's playing. So I for me, I probably lean towards shelby but I'd love to have them both back. I think we both would. And I guess that's the other part of it too is because Casey now finishes you're injured maybe you can get a discount assuming that he wants to be back here in likes playing in Vic. Fangio's defense knows it. He's got one more kind of look at this. You also have to look at Von. Miller. Is Money to do they extend him coming off an injury and and where is he? There's some really tough decisions it's. Going back to the way, broncos fans are reacting their frustration for this early part of the year and what we think you know certainly won't be another run to the super bowl this season if even a playoff berth when you start Oh and three and you're losing. All. Everybody that's made a pro bowl safety for for two running backs right if my math is right to this point and fifteen pro bowls I think now with Casey Sutton and Vaughn out. They can get creative like you said, but they are going to have to make some tough decisions as to who they're keeping who they're bringing back who they're looking at Kazaa go and signed guys in free agency as well. Well they do, and so it you know the off season going to be really fascinating to see and. They might even start. Tip in a little bit that direction even here in season you just think about you know how many more games they lose till you start to to sort of put a picture together of okay. Well, we're going to have a high draft pick what is that going to be as that can be a quarterback is that can be some other positions like left tackle you know you you start to to formulate those plans even halfway through the season but yeah, you know you're right. I mean you know the injuries have added another little twist on on all those decisions because we thought well. These will be just based on performance. If von Miller has a career year will, of course, you're going to keep them. You know if if giral Casey or Shelby Harris play really well well, then you're going to have to make some tough decisions there. But again, you know if shelby hers plays out the year me I think it's pretty safe to say you'd like to keep him depending on what the market bears form one and kind of going back to. The injury itself as we look at this team now short week just what the doctor ordered in terms of an opponent with the jets struggling as much as they are Adam Gates on the hottest seat in the League, not the Dan Quinn's isn't isn't as hot or or certainly close to it. How do you bounce back from this Vic Fangio saying all the right things and players. Post Shelby has talking about the guys are GonNa. Fight and and Tim Patrick can't believe their Owen three with the with the talent. They have I played all that sound on Mondays podcast I'm I'm curious It right. It's easier to say, hey, up and all that do they really believe that and I guess is part of just if drew lock and get back healthy sooner than later can his presence be enough to kind of galvanize the team to continue to to think they've got a chance to to make some noise Well Yeah I mean I definitely think drew lock could be a shot in the arm you know as far as the short week you know it's funny you bring up that love for the Broncos they get jets might be the worst team in the AFC maybe even the NFL I'm sure the jets are looking at the broncos similarly so. No question both teams are probably kind of feeling the same way like Oh. We're very fortunate to get a team that's reeling as bad as they are with injuries and performance but I mean the thing about it is that this team from the beginning known that they're going to have to Kinda create their own energy right whether it's without fans yet two of your first three games at home and you weren't going to get the benefit of of a of loud stadium to back you up. there. So they knew they were gonNA have to find a way to create their own energy and create their own momentum and it's just been challenged even more. So when you look at the the injuries, you look at the early season performance I mean the the thing about it is is we could sit here and be very reactionary and like, oh my gosh, you know the sky is falling what poor performance against Tampa, bay or you could also simultaneously say. The first three opponents were eight and one in their in their I re games and you know the one loss for Tampa Bay. They were still figuring things out against the saints and the saints haven't really looked the same sense then the. Saints Really Could Be Oh in three. At this point you could make an argument, Tampa? Bay. had come out firing but. We we digress here to say that Short Week. If you go to the Cliche of what a lot of players tend to say is I'm actually excited that it's short week 'cause we can forget about this last performance put it behind us and go out there and try to just you know go go play football again, and that's what we do. We go play football. Just get back down the field and we can forget the previous week. May I tweeted out last night and again it's it's a minor silver lining. But it's one that I think just people as they get into this reactionary sky's falling feeling that if you realize that the raiders lost the chargers lost the chiefs, will you know we were recording this? They haven't played yet but the you know it's a tough match-up against the ravens whether they win or lose. The point is you know you get one win on Thursday and you're right back in the mix and the division it does feel very bleak right now. But that's the beauty of the NFL is things change on a dime? And speaking of that you certainly can't predict injuries but this does feel maybe it's magnified by the fact that we didn't have preseason we're guys are getting hurt and so it just game start guys are getting hurt. Some of these injuries I think are just flukes right drew lock. If he gets tackled in week sixteen into the ground, the shoulder is still going to hurt every time it gets driven into the ground or saying with Aj, boy whether it's week one or week week sixteen and so. Part of it is the thinking while aren't the broncos have been bitten by injury the the most along with obviously the niners niners keep winning but they've also done it against the giants and jets. There's that. But but the idea that maybe they'll. Nuts get healthy but just have a few less injuries. Go few weeks where they can say all the other teams may get bitten by the injury bug as well for whatever the reason may be no certainly, and a you remember was it a couple of years ago when the Patriots went went on kind of a run there they're playing backup quarterbacks they just it just so happened to break for their schedule that every single time that they played a quarterback that the starter had been hurt already and so you know I remember going into their playoff run and I think eventual super bowl win was well, I mean they haven't really been tested because. They've only played backups, but in the end they were what their you know they. They actually were pretty good team and they just caught some breaks and yeah, you're right I mean eventually the Broncos may on the other side of this catch them breaks the jets are really they do seem like a team that's Kinda kinda quitting on their coach. There's dissension in the locker room that those the kinds of teams that you want to be facing right now especially as you struggling team. You WanNA, face those teams because they've got other things on their mind. Now they're going go out there and compete and there's thinking well, we'd like to you know obviously represent halt well at home and on prime time. But at the same time they were going to be guys that locker room for the jets that want to coach gone and if that's the case you know you're you want, you want to get up early on them and not give them any reason to have any fight. Do we think there's any way Adam Gay saves his job. I have hard time seeing it. I mean really If you if you watch some of that press. With Sam Darnold he he looks broken to me in a lot of ways not just on the field, but just off he. And Adam, gazes job. Primarily, there is to help develop SAM darnold there a draft pick from a couple years ago the guy that's supposed to be the franchise quarterback and because it isn't coming together and seems like we've talked we've spoken way more about the jets and the dysfunction with lay beyond bell with the Adams with Gosh. I mean you you could just GonNa, go down. The list of all the the players that that they're either pissed off by Adam Gates or that you don't WanNa play for him. There's also Jason Greg Williams not getting along from the get go right great having his son and Adam's father in law and those guys hate each other and they're all on the staff together right and you know that media market like like you just know that that. The the bill's GonNa come through here, and if they were winning well, then you know you could pass a lot of the the drama but they're losing and losing bat like really really bad and they just look they looked rudderless like that's the one thing about this. The broncos is I don't if you're making comparisons to the twenty, seventeen, twenty, seventeen team for the Broncos when they're just getting blown out I don't see the same team I do see significant injuries and I and I do see youth especially on the offensive side of. The ball and you know some of that youth shows up, I mean no fan with his drops you know members only second year player Jerry Judy is a dominant player just yet he's. He's obviously still work into some things out cage ham played the most snaps of any receiver, and so if I told you going into the game that that was going to be the case, you'd be like well, that's going to be an interesting situation for the offense not that he can't be lead he's just not there yet, and so then you're. In with your third quarterback in three weeks, maybe you know I mean Y- now we're getting ready to to potentially start Brett rippin depending on what they decide to do on Thursday night. So you know what I see from this team now is not a team that's rudderless. The broncos are not a rudderless team they're just they're just kind of you know blown away. By injuries and some of their performance is kind of matching some of that. They haven't quite figured out how to play together. Lack of preseason is really really showing up in my opinion for this team But what I looked at the jets I, do think about that two, thousand, seventeen I think about a team that just doesn't look like they have it right now. In I kind of say skip the lead but we've forgot talk quarterbacks, and so I did want to get your thoughts on how this game plays out and there's a chance by the time people here. This Vic Fangio will have announced who the starter is I know that I'm GonNa, certainly, try my hardest on Colorado's morning news to ask them we get to talk to him at seven twenty four, which is about five hours before talk to the rest of the media he may not have made a decision yet or not WanNa, make it public and then he'll let us know in zoom call with certainly could happen. But if you're if you're VIC FANGIO and you're talking to Pat Shurmur and I'm sure John elway certainly has some input at least as a sounding board who starting Thursday for you against the jets. Well. This is a tough call I it doesn't seem like that for some people because a lot of people I think are just feeling like, Brett rippin should be the guy he looked the best. During the game on Sunday but you know there's certain amount of experience that you you do appreciate in in a short week like this, and I am not the biggest Jeff Guy I said that even in the off season, I really wanted the Broncos to go bring in Jamie's navy, take a run at Cam I i. was I was all four a upside backup I think you're going to go with, rippin? I think that probably makes the most sense I think because at least you have a chance to. Identify what he is. You know get a little bit of time out there on the field See if you can put together a game plan where he can get the ball out super fast, they're not going to deal with the same pass rush that the jets are the jets are not even close to the level of pass rush. They've seen the entire season so far but let definitely last two weeks with the steelers and the bucks those pass rusher are night and day to bid to what the jets are being able to do right now. So I I think they're going to be able to run the ball pretty pretty what basically whenever they want to, and if they get the ball out fast and not get behind the sticks I, think they can put together a good game plan for Brett Ribbon to manage the game and and just keep you know make make sure the time of possession is a little more equal I. I feel like that would make the most sense but I, I, wouldn't be surprised if he leans with experience. All right. So then regardless of quarterback, how do you see the game shaking out? Well. I mean again, this this one is like a lot of games for the broncos right now you know momentum how can you hold onto it when you have it and how can you keep it away from the other team We we can diagnose the reasons why the broncos lose pretty much every single time they lose time of possession they lose turnover battle they their yards per play whether it's on the ground or even passing can sometimes be dwarf compared to the other team. They're not good on third down you know so on. So forth, team with with very thin margins. So the way I I'd like to see it. I'd like to see them try to be a little aggressive upfront. You know try to to get it in the jets heads that. Okay. Well, you think that we're the reeling team We're going to show you that we're not in that. We are actually the more superior team even with. UNDRAFTED quarterback. Playing for US or a sixth rounder that is looking for his second NFL win you know. So you know I, I think you take it to them early on I. Think if you can get a little bit of a lead, I think the jets based on on just their body language and the way they've been playing. I think that they they might folks you know what's funny is there won't be any any fans there, and if there were actually played at the broncos advantage, if they were to gain that momentum early and make some plays, the bluebirds could be out and you could end up. With a crowd that left at halftime or any of that, and be all over the jets, gays and everyone else. So it will. It won't happen this week but maybe that's something where the judge actually glad they don't have fans or at least their football staff is glad there aren't fans there to do them when things don't go well especially when you have a game and I know that it was on the road but you have a couple of six from Sam Darnold and and things are are not right. So it's going to be an interesting week I always like the short turnaround. From what we do right because just more football talk about and we like more games than than than we actually weekend ourselves for one a few times. So it kind works both ways arguing escort prediction. Are you gonNA hold onto that and we'll have to listen to broncos country tonight. Yeah I'm GonNa wait on that. Yeah but you know this is the thing like it's it's to be tough. You know I think there's GonNa be a lot of broncos fans that if the broncos lose this game, they're going to be really done with this team I'd encourage you not to be but I definitely I definitely get it it. It's it's tough this this a tough little stretch here, but they've played really. Good teams these are these are all teams that are probably GonNa be playoff teams and now you're facing a team that is vying for top five pick. This is where we'll kind of see what they're. They're made of and I think they're gonNA find it's a little bit easier sledding against a team that's also dealing with with a ton of injuries and they're also not mafia drama. I said last one but I had meant to ask you this few minutes ago because it's something you said, but I'm curious and I was even asthmatic this on zoom call Monday but. I was Gonna ask what do you like that? You've seen so far right. Let's let's get a little positively just for fun. So landed here with that. I. Know Yeah but but who who, or what excites you so far just through these tough three games. Well. Let's I'll start on the defense because they're they're just the overall better unit there the more. Consistent. Unit. Yard I thought I thought by cody bounced back nicely after the game and in Pittsburgh and you know you and I remember, of course watching Isaac Him and the slew of other corners they've brought in. Especially the young guys they they get in their own head and to the point where he eventually just snowballs and you have to bench him. Michael Judy it looked like he belonged out there i. thought he played really well, the bucks did a good job of finding some mismatches i. mean you know when you've got Mellick read downfield covering on Chris Godwin that's GonNa be a problem you know. But they they did a good job getting some some mismatches I had liked the way the. Defensive. Line overall has played against the run. You know they've they've made it known to opposing teams so far that you know you're just not going to get huge chunks yards in the running game That's something that remember last year early on that wasn't the case. So the defensive line play I I'm hoping will continue to play up I mean everybody everybody. Loves. How shall be Harrison playing I mean he's he's been playing unbelievable football. So I'm I'm pretty excited about him I really like air bolts so far I didn't know if I would be saying that or not, and there's definitely some suspect play on the offensive line overall but he's not that guy, he's not he's not the reason overall they are struggling. So yeah, there's definitely an you know I mean aside from the drops are no fan I. liked. I like what? No Fans Don to start the year you know he's he's looking more and more like the Premiere Titan weapon that the broncos need him to be he's Obviously not have drops and he's gotta be playing more consistent but I I'd say those are just some of the the cursory ones throw off the top of my head and I think that will we're in for some surprises with some of the younger players down the road. So you got some positivity from Ryan Edwards to help and our Chad I appreciate it as always but and we'll talk to hear soon. Sounds good. All. Right. Thanks to Ryan Edwards also hope you enjoyed Dalton reisner there. I thought you might, and then Vic Fangio actually breaking some news with us on Colorado's morning news. Let's hope that there's no more news to break other than the starting quarterback is getting I'm putting money on Brett rippin but I guess we'll find out here soon enough. So I appreciate listen we'll catch you to moral on the broncos daily podcast. You've worked so hard for all the things you have. The salary, the status, the success. With that image, there's a drink. One to one wide one to loosen up one to take the edge off. But how do you know what a drink is more than just a drink? We get it we can help. Karen's grandview program has been helping accomplish people just like you regain their lives. Talk to us. Visit Karen Dot org slash view.

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Big Blue Big Board: The safety dance, Josh Rosen, and a LIVE mock draft

"Everyone is Dan just want to what you know. This episode was recorded before the alleviate Vernon trade happened obviously on Friday morning, he wished fitted to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for Kevin Zeitler. We have a podcast with Ed a going over what that trade means. So that's why we don't talk about it at all here. You'll see in the mock draft. We do waiter in the episode the Verner trade might change a few things. But I think for the most part everything six the same. But that's just what did you know that Twi? We don't talk about it in this episode. We don't bring it up at all. But mostly everything else. We talk about in the show should stay the same. With regard sued that trade in what the giant outlook is right now. So thank you for listening. And I really hope you enjoyed this episode. Hello. And welcome to you. The big blue big board podcasts. I'm Dan Zuhdi. Join tear by Chris Chris. How're you doing today? I'm doing pretty good. We got a little surprise for everybody. So I'm kind of excited for that. Yeah. We get some fun things. Come in in this episode. A later on we are going to do a alive mock draft. So we're going to just do a mock draft on a dissimulation machine. We're going to use the draft network. We're going to run through this together. We're going to talk through who is available on the board. And then we are going to you come to a agreement of who we're going to pick. So hopefully that works out, and hopefully, that's not terrible. It should be enjoyable. We did quick run-through before this and it came out pretty well. So we're going to try that. So that's going to be the second half of this episode. But before we get into that mock draft and go into who'd might be on the giants in the. The future wet start with someone who is not going to be on the giants in the future. And that is Landon Collins. So since we last came to you the giants have decided to not put the franchise tag on Landon Collins, that's something we expected pretty much since Dave Gettleman spoke at the combine our reaction episode to that pretty much stated that it seemed that Collins was not going to be a giant in two thousand nineteen that now officially is the case, no franchise tag. So he's free to test the market he'll get a lot of money somewhere. So what the giants have now is a glaring needed safety. They already needed to upgrade from Curtis Riley. But now they need basically to starting safeties to replace Riley end Collins, so we're just going to go over and try to figure out where they could possibly go from here for the safety position to be. He salvaged in twenty nineteen. Yeah. They've got some options in free agency that has suddenly become fairly crowded. It can remains to be seen whether or not the market will be the same as last year. Or if the number of talented players on the market will drive prices up or just the NFL being weird will just take a one eighty from last year. And yet there's some really good safeties in the draft class that that was something we noted in our draft wrap up that so they at least have options whether or not they'll get any options that are as good as Landon Collins that remains to be seen, right? And we have to wonder and probably take into account. How the giants value that position? They obviously did not value. It very highly last year when there were some safeties. Available and they decided to have a competition of okay players, but that included dining Thompson, the -cluded Andrew Adams both of those players were eventually cut and the job was given to Curtis Riley who we know was not very good in that role. So I think the Riley thing should show the giants they need to invest a little more at that position. But also, then the Collins thing shows, they don't want to invest too much in the position and part of what came out from the Collins thing was there were reports that the giants were concerned about Collins ability to cover we went through this. I wrote about it at big review. His cupboards concerns are incredibly overblown, especially when you consider what he had to deal with around him last year. I gave the analogy of Landon Collins was the kid in a school group project who was forced to do all the work. That's what he looked like all of the time last year. And so I think those coverage concerns were overblown, and then there were some other reports that the giants and James Becher want a little more versatility in their safety. So you can play both safeties in either position. And obviously you couldn't do that. With Landon Collins and Curtis Riley. I think Collins probably could have done Brierley's job a lot easier than Briley could have done Collins, but that's basically on Curtis Riley. So if we're thinking about the giants now are going to value safeties who can cover and safeties who can be versatile and play different parts on the defense. Then there's a couple of guys who they could look at. If you look in free agency, there is a pretty deep class. And then you kind of wonder how the NFL is going to value all those guys because now there is a decent amount. There's the guys on the top of the west. There's Earl Thomas, and then you get to. Atlantic Collins is going to be there for somebody else. Obviously not the giants. And then you get a widow further down you got the tire and Matthews and trae. Boston's and then you get even go further, and they're still going to be some players who can contribute. So you wonder if some of those guys at the top of the market are going to get those big contracts, or if safety is just a devalued position for some reason, which it really shouldn't be this is not running back where you can throw someone in and get the production of one of the top paid guys. That's just not the case. But if we do look forward into free agency there are couple of guys who the giants can go forward. And I think personally they're not gonna sign Earl Thomas, that's just not going to happen. So we're not going to bring him up, obviously, he would be ideal fit. You put him back there in the back half of the secondary. And you don't have to worry about it. Earl Thomas covers sideline to sideline he covers everything. The teams just don't throw deep when Earl Thomas is there. But that's not going to happen. But maybe just a tier below if Thomas is on a tear by himself. I think is probably Adrian Abe of the bears. He played decent about of the free safety. And he played next to Eddie Jackson. Then obviously helped Jackson was one of the better safeties Adrian Imos had more pass naps than any safety last year. So he played the past quite well, he was the best among safeties targeted at least forty times in yards allowed per attempt. So he can cover the past. He can also come up make some plays against the run. He's also a twenty five. So I think he's the only guy I think I would feel good about being able to replace the value of Landon Collins. Yeah. In that versatility to play the run and play the pass and make plays them. Both that does seem to fit what the giants want to do. Do but he is not going to be an inexpensive option either. You like you said he played well on a good defense last year. So I don't know that he will be a value option. You know, maybe less than what Landon Collins is going to get somewhere. But I don't know if he's going to fit in the giants self-imposed apparently seven million dollar budget. Right. That'll be a thing. And I think if you sign a most it's it's probably going to be around where a wind Collins market value is they're probably going to be about the same value. So if the giants do value the past defense more I could see possibly going Amos there. But you're going to be spending just as much money as you would have on Collins. And you're just kind of switching up the responsibility that you are valuing more. And if that's the case, then fine, I can understand not one. To assign Collins if you're going to sign someone like, ammos long-term, and you want to commit money to that position. But just have someone who can defend the pass better fine. But I think if you just going to not pay Lynn and Collins, and then you want to try to get some bargain box safety to to fill in and again, just calling call into box AT, which a lot of people have done really just underrates. What Collins does bring to team? But I think a lot of people who watch the giants regularly will do that. So I think that's really the only big tier guy that would make me feel better about wedding Collins go, but then you move to the next year, and you got guys like trae Boston who would be a good deep safety, although he's played in a lot of covered three which in just play in the middle part of the field in the giants. Played a lot of cover one last year, which means Boston would have a little more responsibility from sideline. The sideline. I still think. He's he has good range to be back there. He'd be much cheaper than ammos. But again, not the same level. Now that you look at tire and Matthew, obviously, there's the Jayme better connection there and methods struggled a little bit in coverage last year. You're just overall per pass the allowed eight point one yards per target last year, which was actually worse than Landon Collins. Although if you go yards allowed per coverage snap and not per target. Matthew looks a lot better. My thing about both Boston and Matthew were they were both vailable last year. And the giants showed no interest in either one of them. Even though I do think both of them at Boston has ties to get in get them drafted Boston and Matthew played under Becher in Arizona. So there's the ties there that made sense last year. So I think both of them are going to be more expensive this offseason than they were last off season. When the giants didn't really show interest in either. Yeah. I think that brings us back to the question of just how do they value the position? How highly does Dave Gettleman value a safety in just looking through his draft history. He's only drafted the one in trae Boston. And that was in the fourth round of twenty fourteen since then they had Kerr Coleman who he signed as a free agent in twenty fifteen to play the free safety position at age twenty seven three year contract worth about five million a year. But that was basically the biggest investment is made in safety. So it's just it's just a question of how valuable does somebody who believes in running the ball, and stopping the run believe the safety position in general and the free safety in particular are. Yeah. And it's going to be interesting. And that's I think going to shape a lot of a what happens because if they go big at safety, and I would say Ambos would be who I would target, but you have guys like walking showing her haha Clinton Dix all of those would make sense in in some degree. I think is the best of that group. If they go there than they do have an investment in that position. And they are showing that they do just value pass coverage more, which I guess is fine. I guess that's a very twenty nine thousand nine hundred thing to think which is good. It's not necessarily what you would associate. Dave Gettleman with. I think. Possibly more likely is they might not just value that position at all. And they try to just throw something cheap together. And I don't think that is going to help the defense out at all. But you could also maybe look to the draft. I don't know. Maybe they like some guys there. There are some good safeties here. There's, you know, Cianci garner Johnson who I've talked about a lot against him and said when he was talking to reporters at the Columbine that sometimes you have to be patient when watching safety film because sometimes they'll go like six games without making a play. And you just hope the ball gets thrown to them which a very weird quote for general manager to say out loud outside of that you get Chauncey garner Johnson. I also wrote about this when I wrote about who they could take to replace Landon Collins or just safety in general and the governor Johnson might not go six naps without making a play. So he's someone there. Then you got the guy like Nasiri? Yet, a Delaware one third hill is maybe a guy who can come later in the draft out of Virginia. A so there are options whether they are going to make up for the value for Landon Collins, and for whatever you think he doesn't have impasse coverage. He makes up for in literally everything else. He's great against the run. He's a very good Blitzer. So you have to get that whole thing together. So it's going to be real interesting to see what the giants do. They're. Yeah. I think when it comes to the traffic, we should probably look more towards those maybe high early day three prospects. You know, they've got the multiple fourth rounders, multiple fifth rounders that would probably I think be about where they look. And there are some guys there who are who could be good values. You know guy. We both like he might be a little too small for the giants. But go out of Oregon east got really good movement skills. He can play the ball in the air. I don't think he's afraid of contact at all Sean bunting at central Michigan. He had himself a good combine. I know I'm gonna go go back and take a look at him, you know, very closely. Mike Edwards out of Kentucky. They have had a pretty good secondary over the last couple seasons. And he kind of caught my eye watching Josh Allen. So there might be some value in that range. Yeah. We'll see. There's there's a lot to be done. There has to be something added to the rest of the giants cannot go in as useful. As a Michael Thomas, and Sean Chandler are as either in third fourth safeties and on special teams. That's not the do. Oh, you want to going into the season as you're starting to safety? So as safety is going to get half to be added sometime this off season. Yeah. Now, there is an just to say as a transition. There is one move the giants could potentially make that could free up quite a bit of money and potentially solve some problems for their just teams a whole and to create room for their. Defensive acquisitions. Yeah, we're gonna get into that. So the quarterback thing. And obviously we it doesn't look like the giants are going to draft a quarterback six overall a but the team drafting number one the Zona cardinals might draft Cuyler Murray, which we put Josh Rosen on the market. If that is the case the giants should absolutely be interested. There's rumors going around that cardinals have been either taking calls or if they're not necessarily actively shopping. They're they're taking offers and getting Josh Rosen makes so much sense for the giants. I would give up the thirty seven th pick in the draft. Right now, there's rumors that his value is only. His values only third pick right now. And that's that's been nana's. He should be way more than a third round pick. He was the tenth overall pick last year and as poorly as he played last year with an offensive line. That was worse than the giants like significantly worse than the giants supporting cast that was seeking difficultly worse than the giants coaching staff that was significantly worse than the giants. You put him there, and you trade for him. So I if you do that his signing bonus is already charged to AirAsia. So if you trade for Josh Rosen, he counts for like a one point three million dollars on the cat next year that is right now less expensive than will Hernandez's cap hit for twenty nineteen and that's about two hundred thousand dollars more than the giants. Just re-signed Alex Tanny for. So to put that in perspective that's about as cheap as you can get as starting quarterback. So you trade for Rosen you now put him in the giant system you one don't need ally manning anymore. You already have solved possibly solved what you need for the long term or you have Rosen so cheap. If he's bad again in twenty nine thousand nine hundred you can cut him with no dead money because all of the guarantees are already gone or most of them. So you're barely losing money. If you want to move on. And if you just want to keep them on the roster as a backup that doesn't cost you anything you literally paying him, Alex Tanny money insane. So you do that you can move on from UI manning that's going to free up seventeen million dollars since you are only spending about less than one point five on Rosen. You're opening up fifteen point five. Million dollars just this year to make other upgrades on the roster. So I don't see how that doesn't make the giants a much better team in twenty nine thousand nine it pushes fast forward on everything. They wanna do. They want a quarterback who can sit and learn for a year Rosen didn't sit. But he sure learned and you put him in a better environment with the giants. And that's only going to help you put them in Shurmur play action system. That's where Rosen thrives, and he had some really good throws last year. A when he had the opportunity to a so if that is an option for the giants they have to do it that it just speeds up everything they're trying to do and it makes the roster so much better so much quicker. And it's something you should consider even if they didn't particularly like him last year. It the economics of it should force them to at least consider it assuming. It is an option from Arizona's point of view. They're the gatekeepers on the whole thing and just freeing up that chunk of money and making the leap in getting to that next era that could be huge for the franchise. And as long as they're doing that they could three up even more money with a few moves we've already gone over such as restructuring Odell they could cut Reynolds in if they wanted to have a rainy day fund, they can make Alica will share post June first cut. We saw last weekend that this off ball linebacker class is surprisingly impressive and could have some real nice value. They could if they wanted to wave generis Jenkins. And then they would have the money to go. Spend on a cornerback who could be in upgrade, not just maybe hope to get lucky out of the scratch and dent been you know, L hope. That Jason Barrett stays healthy. So had that could free up a ton of money in. It's something they should at least consider if it actually is a possibility I would almost be negligence to not consider it yet. That's absolutely, correct. And just the cap savings from getting Rosen for one point three million dollars moving on from ally. Now, you have you already have the plan in place. That's part of the reason you're not getting rid of you. I is because you don't have anything on the roster to replace him. But if you bring in Josh Rosen, you're probably paying a one point five million dollars. You're already freeing up fifteen point five million. So you barely even have to move on from other contracts. You don't have to restructure Odell his structure now make sense because of that rookie quarterback that's not taking up any of the cap space. You do that. It's. Engines makes so much sense. And it suddenly justifies completely saquon Barkley it. Does get your cake and eat it. Yeah. This could be something that absolutely just falls right into the giants lap. If you had told anyone last year they could come away from the draft with saquon Barkley end Josh Rosen. You would think that was a home run. So you do that and as much as as much value as there could be in the thirty seven pick, and you could possibly get a pretty good defensive player there. You're not getting anyone with a value of Josh Rosen. Again, this guy was the tenth overall pick leisure. There was talk. He was going to be a top five pick. There was talk about him being number two over a halted the giants. This guy did not just lose all of his value because he struggled in his rookie year. There were enough lashes that make you think in a better situation he will be a much improved quarterback. And that's something that the giants should throughout out. So now it. Also, if you do that Rosen for me are stories out that would probably be by number two quarterback this year. I would still put Bernie ahead of him up. But I would easily put Rosen over Haskins right now. So if you do this, and you trade the thirty seventh overall pick, and we don't know if that's what it's going to take. But if it is that's what you do. Because then you trade the thirty seventh overall pick you get probably the second best quarterback in this class. Arguably for some might be the first I would highly doubt. He's the third for anyone. And then you still have the six overall pick to take probably an impact defensive player. So you have all of those things going for you. It just speeds up the giants process so much by one simple move that they have to do it. If I were Dave Gettleman will there were many things that would have been done differently to this point. But if if I was in that position, I would be calling Aaron and offering the thirty seven pick. Right now, I would have called days ago. And I think that would be a no brainer for that pick. And as you said, even if he is bad, you know, last year wasn't just the wasn't just a function of being in a bad offense on a bad team with a depleted roster. And you can't cut him. That's the thirty seven overall pick wouldn't be the greatest resource. This team has squandered over the last fourteen months. Yeah, it's not bad at all and navy. Wanna be like all they wouldn't have a second or third round pick. If you get the six overall pick say, it's an address or you come out of the draft with the edge rusher. Josh Rosen and Sam Bill in the first three rounds. You still did pretty well. So I just don't see why that shouldn't be an option, and I think they should absolutely explore it. Yeah. And. Just from an issue just straight draft value. You'll be trading a second round pick which for a player, you would have four years of control on which lines up and a contract that is as you said, basically a little bit cheaper than what was the second overall pick in the second round last year, just leaving positional value aside because we know how Dave feels about that just lining up the pick for the player if vets. Yes. It makes a lot of sense the giants would be instantly better and positioned better for the future with just one trade. So of course, this is all speculation. We don't know what Arizona's going to do. We don't actually know what Rosen's price tag would be if they were going to trade him. But if that's an option that's gotta be what the giant seriously look into. So that's going to be what we cover in the first half of this episode. 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And then we're just going to to see how it goes. I think we're going to come to the agreement to start that we're not going to take a quarterback sixth overall. Right. Yeah. Because there have been more than enough mock graphs with the giants taking Dwayne Haskins at six who knows the machine might not even put him there for us. Yeah. Squirrelly? Right. So let's see we're going to get this started right now now. Okay. And it's it's mocking me with Colin Murray still on the board. But we're not going to do that. It looks like the top available players are going to be John Taylor. Offensive tackle from Florida decay Metcalf wide receiver from Mississippi Montas, sweat the edge rusher from Mississippi State and Brian burns edge rusher from Florida. I think we can look at some of the other guys. But I think that would be who we would think about taking where so I think if we're just are we putting ourselves Dave Gettleman shoes or just leaving as us ourselves. Our own original thoughts. Let's go with our original thoughts because I don't want to jump into that head space more than I have to. We spend enough time there already. So I think maybe we can leave Metcalf off just eliminate him off the bat. I'm not going to say, the positional value is wrong. Because just adding another weapon is never a terrible idea. But they can't figure out how to use all the weapons they have right now. Anyway, they they're almost at the point of diminishing returns. Right. When you talk about what you're looking forward in improving any roster. I'm not saying this is how the giants look at it. But how really you should look at it in twenty nineteen if you're not improving the past game where trying to stop your opponent from improving the past game, you're probably doing it wrong. So as crazy as Metcalf would be at six, maybe that's not as crazy because you throw Odell sterling shepherd and decay Metcalf out that with Evan and grim and saquon Barkley, and it actually then does not matter who your quarterback is which we'll say we're not gonna go there. So I think it's either going to be Taylor if we wanna go authentic tackle. Or if we want to jump at edge, sweat and Brian burns. I think album I'm going to go with sweat because if you're going to get an edge rusher who is going to be productive and worth a second contract down the line. You have to get a an elite athlete and be a first round one. And those just happened to line up. You're going to get elite athletes generally go in the first round, especially at a premium position like edge. Yeah. The production might go toward burns, and I might lean there. But I wouldn't be opposed to sweat night. Feel like he's probably the most likely giants pick. I if they had to pick their so we'll go sweat with six overall. And we are coming up now on thirty seventh overall in the idea. World this pick and traded for Josh Rosen. So okay. Let's look at what we have on the board right now, we have no fan, which in reality is probably not an option. Yeah. He's he's listed fifteenth on their on the draft networks board. He he's probably gone. I would say distinct possibility of being a New England patriot. And so after that marquees Brown wide receiver from Oklahoma at Jeffrey Simmons interior defender from Mississippi State, both of them come with injury questions than we have Chris Lynch rim. Not even going to you mention Daniel Jones. Dextra warrants interior defensive linemen from Clemson neck Wilson, the linebacker from Alabama Justin lane cornerback from Michigan state, and Greg wiggle authentic. Tackle from Mississippi. This is not a great not always be at thirty seven at this orb. Did not fall very well. Our first run through was much nicer. Yeah. So let's just put this the pick before us Jonathan Abram safety from Mississippi State, a was taken by the San Francisco forty Niners that Nisar Adderley was taken twenty nine th overall. So if we were looking for one of those safeties that we talked about earlier in the episode they were taking Chauncey Gardner Johnson was taken twenty first. So all of the players. We would really like I mean, if this was a real life scenario, I would take into a fan, no questions asked. I would I would figure it out. The giant not do that marquees. Brown scares me. Not great target yards added came into the combine very slight. He obviously has the. List? Frank injury in his foot that would scare me very much for a someone who's supposed to be a deep threat is. So I would probably stay away there that honestly scares me. More than target yards added. Just like you said he's supposed to be a deep threat. He's not going to out physical anybody. His whole game is just quitting and out athlete in the entire defense and list. Frank injuries. Are kind of scary especially for receiver of our draw. I think I would go either. Chris Lindstrom interior offensive line, Boston College or Dexter Lawrence. Lindstrom might be my favorite interior offensive lineman. He can pretty much do it all he can play. Left guard. He can play right guard. He could probably play center at the NFL level. And the giants just so happen to need a center and a right guard decks Lawrence. He's a good all around solid classic defensive tackle. If he's supposedly a great leader in their locker room, he can penetrate and create pressure. He can create opportunities for other players to. I'm I could go either way on this one. Okay. So that's cool. We're gonna we winstrom here. I think furrow Lawrence. I want to see more pass rush potential from someone. I'd be taking on the interior defensive line. He has that a little bit. But he's more of just the gigantic run stuffer. The giants don't really need that. I think they need more of interior pressure and to grab someone at the top of the second that doesn't quite bring that at the level. They need I'm going to stay away from that so critical. Interim is fine with me you probably play center and guard the so depending on what the giants do there in twenty one thousand nine and the future. I think probably makes the most sense. Yeah. Chris Lindstrom is the pick as we now. Wait for. A while. Because the giants dot have the third round pick which again Sam Bill I feel like we bring that up a lot. But I think we do because so many people just say the giants don't have a third round pick. But Sam Bill was was the selection and the corner is going to be a position of need. So they have someone who wasn't on the active roster last year. So that is going to make an impact the giants. Didn't just lose eight third round pick. Okay. So come up now in the one hundred eighth overall right now, we have some interior defensive linemen and a whole bunch of running backs. So Draymond Jones is the top player on the board right now. I if he's there I would probably run to that by Ronel Ren, also interior defensive linemen from Arizona state. I would take Ren over Jones. I did not like what I saw from Jones at the combine it always worries me when? You see an athletic freak who just is not athletic. He kind of trip the Mike Adams alarm I had from the Ohio State offensive tackle from a few years back. I did notice tristen hill is still on the board there. He's a little ways down, but he put on a show. And so if we're going to be looking at interior different divine, which it looks like just the way the board has fallen that makes the most sense a so if we're looking at spark yet Tristan hill, a was in the eighth percentile Ronel when was in the seventy eighth percentile. So you've got to pretty athletic guys. They're Ronel ran from Arizona state a little bigger at almost six five and three eighteen he does have that pass. Rush ability from the middle. We talk about dream on Jones a little bit. He came in it, just yet, the twenty fifth percentile of spark which again, if you're not familiar with spark. We have brought it up is just a the compa. Visit score for all of the combine testing just into one number and then put out as a percentile. So yeah, I'd I'd be good with rent here. I think that makes sense that gives them more of the defensive line rotation that they want you Knicks him in with BJ hill. Dalvand Thomasson, I think he can play next to either one of those guys. So I think rents are good pickier yet. They would just have to go in with into that knowing that there would be some transition and development to be done for him. He played almost exclusively for some reason. I don't know colleges occasionally just make weird choices as a heads up nose tackle and played basically out of a four point stamps the whole game. So while he has a ton of upside there is there would be some work to be done. Now, they do have BJ hill in downtown Wilmsen. So it's not like they would be relying on him, right? Away and as a fourth round pick you can kind of stomach that. Yeah. It's it's somewhere on the board where you're not expecting him to be a starter. He doesn't have to jump right in and make an immediate impact. You guys in the third and fourth round in these bid rounds? You're just looking for someone who can contribute at some point. So wh- with Ren playing in that kind of weird you nose tackle. He didn't have as many pressures as you would like. But I think he has that ability. If you move him around and get him into the right position of which I think still brings some upside. So right now now we're in pick one thirty two this is the fourth round as we look here. I'm not sure if we can have any discussion about this. I think you know, where I wanna go. If you're looking at this Boyd. Yeah. On the board we have Tyree Jackson quarterback out of buffalo. Antoine Wesley wide receiver at a Texas Tech trivia in Williams running back at a Texas A&_M. And Ben Banyu edge rusher at TCU damn obviously wants to go with tyrod Jackson quarterback at buffalo. Yeah. Obviously I've been big on Terry Jackson in wasting mid around picks on quarterbacks who go into develop. No. So we're we're just gonna take Benvenuti here or goo a still don't know how to pronounce his name, I should add. He's one of my favorite players in this raft. Number one edge class in spark tied for third in pressures among this edge class tied with Josh Allen for the most quarterback hits athleticism and hen production. You put those together that is a great rotational edge peas, especially in the fourth round. I know we already took in be can never have too many edge rushers. So I think his value right here is way too good to pass up. Agreed. And it puts you in a situation where you can go back to just sending waves of just hyperth-. Let it pass rushers. The giants could send at least for right now. Livia Vernon Montas, sweat and Bano goo, and then Lorenzo Carter. And you've got three guys there who are just sparked monsters, and then on the inside you've got BJ hill, Davin Tomlinson and now rental read, so at least the front end of the giants pass rush is suddenly a lot healthier than it was. Yeah. Absolutely. So now we re onto you pick one forty two in the fifth round. We have data that picks you one forty and one forty three the book at the board Silla bunch of running back there some wide receivers the markets lodge. Did you I would stay away from negative target yards added? That is a huge red flag for me. You have Daniel wise interior defensive linemen from Kansas. He's a guy. But we I think we've done a pretty good job reinforcing the front seven. Yep. I think so we can probably look. Elsewhere Keyshawn Johnson wide receiver. From Fresno state, Anthony Johnson wide receiver from buffalo. We've got a few kind of intriguing wide receivers. I think that's an interesting place to go especially this late in the draft. I think you could you could take a fire on a guy. And as we're looking at what the giants have done. They took a kind of committee approach at the third wide receiver last year. They just gave a original round tender to Corey Coleman. Because he was a former first round pick. That means anyone who would give him an offer sheet would have to give up a first round pick. If the giants don't match and no one is giving up a first round pick for Corey Coleman. So he is definitely going to be back for the giants. He gave a wiggle more promise on special teams that he did as a receiver last year. But I still think you can grow that receiver room, especially when there's really no one there. I think looking at it Anthony Johnson talent catches my eye. So he's six two he came in eighth in target yards added and that was in buffalo with Atari Jackson. So he was still really. The option there still added quite a bit to that offense. And I like, I honestly forget who has set it. But I like the philosophy of building your wide receiver room kind of like a basketball team. And just having different sizes in skill sets in there, you have oatmeal Beckham who's, you know, LeBron James or James harden their time to do anything sterling shepherd who's the smaller guy who excels in this lot. But can also play outside. If you add a taller guy. Like, Anthony Johnson. I would not be disappointed in that. You can have him be the reds own threat. He can still get open deep down the field. I mean, that's basically all they did at buffalo was Harry Jackson throwing bonds. I think that's where I would go because really none of the other receivers and the interior defensive line prospects at this point there's a lot of running backs, but the giants do not in need of running back at this point. So I think just based on the board. I think that's where I would go. Yeah. I'll agree with that also depth wide receivers. They can help out on special teams. They've got a lot more like defensive backs late in the draft. They've got a lot more utility than just their role on the offense or defense. So yet Alec right? So we'll do that. And that was picked one forty two. And now we're on the clock again at one forty three. I think I might want go defense here and look at the baby go down with some of the quarterbacks the possibly bunch Ray hearted from northwestern. Kendall Sheffield's from Ohio State Isaiah Thompson from Houston. I think he is a developmental guy. I am intrigued by yeah. Johnson. He he caught my eye at the combine he's a long corner. I think he's like six two and has thirty three inch arms something like that. And we've both gone back and looked and that is a definite trend for both James Becher, and Dave Gettleman they like just toll long armed corners. Yeah. Although now that I'm looking at it, the Derek Beatty of might take my I there instead a sit at six three he allowed thirty nine point one percent of passage toward him to be completed less year per sports info solutions of four point five nine yards allowed per target, which was one of the best in this class. So I might switch my allegiance here and go bady over Johnson. I like both of them. I said in the first half of the show Kentucky had a nice secondary. And I wouldn't be opposed to either of those guys. I think they both have some good upside. And they have a I think the chance at least to develop into a player are two. We're going to grab Derek Beatty. Quarterback from Kentucky at one forty three. So I believe we have what more pick in this draft. That's going to be at the end of the fifth round. So coming up on now, pick one seventy one. So we have so far we've hit edge. We hit interior defensive line. We've hit the interior of the offensive line wide receiver cornerback in one place as maybe left as a Wook at the board. Here might be linebacker, say linebacker or safety. What are we got? I do not like the safeties. Yeah. Okay. Just for those of you who can't see the screen safety is not ready. I do like Ben Burke Irvine at linebacker linebacker at Washington. Yeah. So we talked about him in the who impressed us during the combine Denver Kervin came out as one of the most athletic off ball linebackers in this class, a per spark a game in six in the eighty second percentile in spark. So he. He is quite rangy. And he was when I did my appre combine top five. He was my number three inside linebacker on probably much higher on him than a lot of people are, and I think we can see by where he's right here and that he's still falls in the fifth round. So if you can get him at this point, and I think at the end of the fifth round you got special teams component in there. I think he'd be good there. I think he could play as an inside off off ball linebacker on the field. So I think we go with him that makes the most sense, I think. Oh, yeah. He's a guy like then recur van and lake Cashman four day. Three. I I love both of those guys for the giants. You can see on tape. They're both extremely instinctive smart guys who play fast. The don't really waste a whole lot of motion hemming in hauling they just their first step is generally towards where the ball is going to go and they both tested. Extremely well. Which is something the giants need in the middle of their defense. Yeah. Absolutely speed and athleticism is something to try to bet on now at this point in the draft. You can just get someone who's super athletic. I you just kinda hope for the best and hope they can contribute because in the fifth round. That's basically all you can hope for. So that ends our draft rolling gonna go five rounds because again, the six and seven three hundred kind of crazy at this point both in regards to the prospects, we know and have evaluated and really. How the draft machine works. It's pretty much just going to be like running backs and wide receivers listed as the best available, and that doesn't really serve any purpose so wishes quickly go over who are draft came up with so six overall we went Montanez sweat edge for Mississippi State, thirty seven overall, Chris Lynch rim interior offensive line from Boston College one. Oh, eight Ronel Ren interior defensive line from Arizona state one thirty two Ben Ben Agoo edge TCU one forty two Anthony Johnson wide receiver from buffalo. One forty three. Derek Beatty quarterback from Kentucky and then one seventy one Ben Burke Irvin linebacker from Washington. I think we hit pretty much anywhere. The giants really need something. Obviously, we talked to that. We were going to ignore a quarterback that's still an elephant in the room in many different places. So I, but I think in terms of that the only thing we didn't really come away with was an offensive tackle. That's probably something. They're going to do in free agency. But getting winstrom in the middle. I think kelps that a lot just solidifying that interior. We also didn't get a safety. But that that might be something done in free agency. Also. So I think in terms of what the giants need doubling up on edge. I think gives them the rotation Ren in that interior defensive line gives them another rotational piece there in the interior. So I think we did fairly. Well. Yeah. Now, I would have liked to have nailed to grab safety. But as you said that something that hopefully, there is good talent pool of free agent safeties hopefully, they can pick up one or two maybe they could use bady as kind of a broker maybe like how Steve Spagnolo used. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie. Back in twenty sixteen. Beatty has the size to be able to play a role like that. I'm. Really happy to get sweat Ambeno. Goo just the two most athletic at dressers in the draft are giants in this scenario yet James debtor did a lap around the draft room. After after we came around with that. Oh, yeah. He's happy. Yeah. So it's not not bad. They're in depth of isn't. There was there was the safety run early that stopped us from getting one of thirty seven. 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[184] Week 2 vs. Carolina Panthers in review & Week 3 at Denver preview

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[184] Week 2 vs. Carolina Panthers in review & Week 3 at Denver preview

"Every year in the NFL, it's a new team. As far as goals go. WE HAVE ONE Putting the. Finger. Well, the BUCCANEERS observer podcast is row Phillips back. Today is September twenty. Four Twenty Twenty Couple of days till kickoff at Denver. That is A. Four Twenty Five PM GAME We keep mentioned that because we don't want you to miss it. We've to remind ourselves. It's hard to keep up with all the schedules you know last week we missed her daughter's dance clashes completely forgot about it. We. Remembered it as soon as. A Yeah I was like oh She dance. We got we got into it today though. All good in the woman. And I'm finally catching up with the game film which We're going to talk about that a little bit. We've got a good episode for you. We're GonNa talk about the all twenty two with the Carolina Panthers from week to. Molly's got the preview for the Denver Game. Now, we have not watched any Denver. I do not think. So have we watched any. DENVER. Now now I, think we watch as they order lane all AFC Games they played Tennessee week one and Berg. We watched part attendance that we watched the last part because. We, we had a choice between games and we said all we're playing Denver eventually. So let's watch them. Okay. I remember. I was drug at the time. and. Anyhow doesn't matter because Denver is a whole new teen. Lost a lot of people lost every starter in half their second-stringers I think. Between them and forty niners they're going for the most injured award this year and you have to wonder what these teams that have a ton of injuries like what's the difference? Is that bad luck as a they weren't doing enough conditioning, their strength and conditioning coaches was it. Tackling and practice. Tackling they're getting you never know, but the seems to happen well. We've had two teams of really really hard. Yeah. Week I think the lack of the preseason related affect teams. I do too but there's always a team. I mean, that's how everything works. There's detail in both ends you know. We've been hit with injury about before. Quite, well, we've we've had we've had a rough out with injuries over the past decade in now you know I, I, talked it up a lot to the. Trainers I felt like. There was just way too many injuries consistently every year you know there was something they were doing wrong but we got any fact checker follow ups. Now, wait. I did have some on my phone I've forgot to do them. Okay. We're GONNA take a pause here for a second while we get some notes. And thanks to modern technology. We are back with notes I. Did that like three seconds? Quick. Quick. Fact check the Olympia and that the Buckner is brought in was in twenty thirteen is emas. Depth. He had every time. You say that I go. That's right. That's the guy. I never WANNA guess. He played with the Patriots in twenty twelve, and then he was with us twenty, thirteen and two, thousand fourteen. And then he went to the colts in two thousand fourteen. So apparently, we caught them at some point and stayed there until twenty fifteen and then he's been out of the. League. So that was his NFL career There you go running fast doesn't translate to being a good football player. Although you know making it in the NFL is a big deal. Yeah. The Olympics. Yeah. Yeah that takes so much commitment. I? mean. You're talking about years and years it's basically the equivalent of getting a doctorate, but you don't get paid. College athletes. It's kind of similar sort of man yeah when I'm. Really is fascinating to me and how dedicated these guys have to be to go through. So many years of. Basically putting your body on the line. Just for the shot that maybe one day you might possibly. And it's a small small small chance. What else we got Fact Check Shaq Barrett agent is drew Rosenhaus so. Molly was right on that one the only reason that made it in their. Checks where you're wrong and now I need to start doing. You're wrong a lot if I were. The play where this the follow up where day P P flipped over Robbie Anderson or Robbie Anderson got flipped over. Shaun Murphy and was the other one in that play came in torpedoed his legs. They're awesome and then JP mopped up. Brett Farve was add the game because he was credentialed media. So. Yeah Yeah I think we talked about that in one of the daily. Yes videos. Now. Did you hear that some of the buccaneers players are kind of sad because the saints are allowing family members into the stadium to watch the Games? And the selling A. Can't do that well, Ryan Jensen tweeted about the Brett farve thing. He like re tweeted the video and was like Brett Farve can come in, but my family can't. Krona viruses especially adept at not. Attacking. Anybody that's got a hall of Fame Jersey No. Rain Jacket. He he's in the hall of Famer. Fact That's that's like a brain fart there. He's got to be his I mean he's been out in the league since two thousand I don't really pay attention he added to be a first ballot. Had Been Right what else that's it that's it. We didn't mess up or I didn't mess up much. You didn't mess up at all. Strain? Anyhow the game. Sunday. Another. Very interesting game in the sense that it wasn't interesting. On our wins wins. are kind of boring when you do the film analysis. Yes it does happen a lot because. It's it's not you're not looking for why did we lose what was the reason and all that good stuff I like ways to improve right? I mean there was a lot of stuff in there but compared to the New Orleans game which. I showed you my notes on the spreadsheet and it was every single play almost which is at rare and this one is probably This is about normal. It's about. Every fourth play. He know taking notes. So. It was a big difference and plus I was able to get through this on a lot quicker to thank God. It was it was it was very strange in that. It wasn't outstanding. There wasn't a whole lot outstanding. There's lot of small things but nothing really big. We know of course in our receivers dropped a lot of balls. If they wouldn't have dropped those balls. Tom Brady would have had A. Four five hundred yard day six touchdowns. Other than that. You know the everything just kind of with good. I'll tell you our defenses really really really playing well, our secondary fantastic, our defensive line. Is playing good linebackers. Good. Now I WANNA see more shack `but we talked about that. They've got him last year. He started off playing on the right side going up against the left tackle and. When JP came back they switched him and they they switched a quite a bit throughout. The season. This year they're not JP's always plan on a write. Checks playing on the left that straight. Then like we talked about in the last podcast, they're dropping shack N. J. P p. back quite a bit. Not. Not. JP as much but so shack is not getting those pass rush. Opportunities late last week, he had thirteen out of I I want to say it was sixty plays. He was in those all past players. So, thirteen out of probably thirty passing place almost half he was dropping back into coverage. Now, he would drop back into coverage in this game quite a bit too but not near as much I didn't. Care to take a precise notes on how many consider accountable but I'd say probably five times. And A J P P probably about the same. We actually dropped back Vita once. They knew that. I know it's so funny because the guy can't job every time you see them jump, you know jump up China bat a ball down he goes. Honestly, six inches is about the highest I've ever seen. Hundred pounds big boy he could run. Can you jump? So. We've got that in speaking of veto. I've got notes on just about everybody on the defensive line have have got good marks where I take notes and write down in a play when they do good. I've got forty five got ninety three he did the best. of the night. He's got quite a few good plays thirty five. Ninety. Fifty Four. Fifty, a ninety, two, twenty, four, twenty, eight, twenty, eight, again ninety three. So forth and so on. You noticed who number didn't call out there. Lita right. That's been two games in a row where he has really done anything he's not playing bad. He's not playing Vida. Supervisor. and He needs to step it up. It is step see Shaq. Barrett. Step it up to. Although again, he's not playing bad he's got they're not getting beat the not getting thrown around the feel. They're not making spectacular plays like, do you think it's just that everyone else is making spectacular place there's no place left for poor Vida and shack. Everything that Could. Be Restaurant even seems to share. That's the problem I. think it's more of last week against week one against the saints there was so much holding at nobody can do anything and then also. Drew brees gets the ball out. So quick most of the time I? Mean there was probably in week one, there was maybe three four, a handful of passes where he held the belong three seconds as it. Yeah. Many in when did we got to? In. The same thing with. bridgewater he didn't hold the ball either he was keeps getting rid of a quick. So that's hurting shack and Vida. As far as their pressuring the quarterback but also shacks on the other side and he's playing that role constantly and he said that it was a mutual agreement between hill. J. P. J.. p. p. likes the right side. Jag doesn't really care. So he was like I'll take left. He thinks he could do better over on the left. and. Defensive Coordinator was cool with it. But I'll tell you what our defense. You said this last year where we hired him that. We were gonNA see some crazy stuff on defense just crazy formations and all that and we did last year this year man they are vomited up crazy really and they're playing so well. Yeah. They are so coordinated and their communication is spot on. I love watching the linebackers you know linebackers. Move in seek. I'll always watch for that and we do it. So pretty it's it's really neat but you could. You could see him communicating with each other and then everybody just get right in sync and but we're doing so crazy crazy stuff on. Defense. Were rarely blitzen rarely, but it and feels it looks like we are needed because a lot of times like I said, we'll drop guys back from the line and in Russian did linebackers or quarterbacks or a safety you know and it's just were throwing. So many looks me but I'll tell you this. We are a hundred times better on in man coverage than we are in zone that were bad at zone but a lot of the place we give up our in zone coverage course that has a lot to do with the end of the game. We were just letting marked in field slowly but. We are much better man coverage team we are zone. It's interesting what you said about the communication because, Shaw Murphy. Bunting was miked up this past week and you could just tell like he's super vocal. He is kind of like Devon white as as far as like with the other teammates and especially him and Antoine Winfield were spent a lot of time together on the film. Like he was always talking to Antwon Antoine kind of I mean it might have been just because he wasn't miked up, but he was a little more like serious and subdued like he wasn't quite as vocal but Shumur if Murphy Bundy was really. Surprised me how much he seemed like a leader on the team and but they were they were just all you know Yakking it up together and talking, and they were all married vocal. Well, you know I, mean we've watched throughout the years whereas a play of broken play on the defense or whatever and deal see after the play guys kind of get together and you know like what? What happened in other you know they're like, I don't know you know we've seen that throughout the years have seen that at all this year at all really none of the finger-pointing they're yelling at each other. Not a single one where they they don't. Whether confused at all. Yeah. Yeah and it's an extremely extremely complex defense well, and think about what this does for the offense to because last year, the defense really didn't Gel until maybe like two thirds of the way through the season maybe halfway and the offense was doing great at times and then sometimes not so great. But the thing with James is that. A lot of pressure on himself to. Carry the team sometimes and I kind of felt that way especially when the defense wasn't Jalen yet and wasn't kind of performing like James Caan, took that on himself. And now here we have a tom on the offense instead and the defense is gelling. So it just it takes off that pressure I think from the quarterback as much, and then you've got a quarterback is a little more composed incapable of taking the pressure. Yes yes. I'll get to that in a second Brady's performance. But. Yeah, you're you're exactly right OFF UNTIL Difference. It makes especially on offense that still kind of. Jelly for. Word. Yes. We. Are Jailing Very Well on defense I can tell you that. There was a I'll go through a couple of plays here real quick to twenty eight in the first quarter. Devon White. Actually. Tipped the ball causing it to go air teddy bridgewater through it and it was incomplete. That was something I saw on game film but it wasn't in the broadcast. On Special Teams Jack CINCI got his face mass held. I'll put this in the Still on the team, you're asking that the other day I don't remember him getting cut, but I hadn't seen him. I think he's like forty six. Forty eight. Okay. He was playing special teams and he pushed his Germain Carter number fifty six for Carolina Panthers Kinda push him in the chest. You know maybe a little bit of his neck or anything and it was it was almost kind of like an off handed push. You know he's getting ready to run down the field. So he just pushes guy this guy took great offence to it apparently because he reaches out Grad cities, face masks, which is Yankees head. And then follows him all the way down the field just hitting him poisoning grasping the guy. Ended reaction. I don't know maybe they don't like each other problems. He's having a bad day. It was a fair catch and you know how everybody just kind of jogs down the field near going well, yeah. The kind of jogging on the field, this guy was like pushing him. Like what are you doing? Man. He takes his job on special teams very seriously. Su had a lot of good place who played very well. and. Dean had dean it pretty good. Deeds have been disappointing to me. He's made more mistakes this year than he's. A good plays but I think he's going to get up steam I. I definitely think Bruce Arians knows more than me about football because I would have said to put Dean instead of Carla Davis but Davis has been it up. Yeah Well Davis did. Have A. Pass interference on third down it really is. Yeah. What was this the game wearing Davis had his finger popped out pop back in and then he got the interception. This is so bad. There's only been two weeks and I'm like I can't remember what? He had interception in the fourth quarter tension and he had his finger before that the training staff popped it back Kim. Yeah, he's he's a tough on. These guys are not playing around our defense is monstrous. Of but like I said, I WANNA see more out of area and more out of Barrett about that they're playing bad by any means but. I'm not going to see Barrett. Doing a lot of moves I've seen him wants been move. And you know a couple of whims and stuff like that. But. None of us. Really, nothing out of took it. You know maybe he's one of these people that needs to fans in the crowd noise you know could be I mean it could be any number of things. We've talked about this, but it could be his. Contract extension not getting any recognition from the team or from the League. Know, a half of the play on that side of the ball all the time. No fans you know it could be all kinds of stuff. Maybe, he's a saving it up. Could be saving enough. For Denver, he's got light them. I can't wait for the. All right. Let's go to the offense offense where the action was that. The defense did very well, but the offense where I saw a lot of stuff and yes. Now I'm GonNa say this last week against the saints. We didn't play that physical. You know we were I to me. It looked like we were kind of playing not to get hurt. And I talked to there weren't fans in the stands. You know just like you guys didn't have that extra off or whatever. Well I'll be damned if they didn't have it this week. I sort of got our offensive line which is throwing guys around crazy was awful. Yeah. We manhandle those guys except number fifty, three Brun Burns that guy's good. Really yes. Yeah. Use their first round pick last year. He's good. He's good he. He beat worse and he'd be Donald Smith. Four Times. Maybe five. But he just. He put a weapon on COM in. Dom Smith is somebody's gotTa talk to him and we can't put that worse. This game send the first game. Now. Horse Thank God for us that Tom Brady is able to get the ball out because there is so a few plays where I'm just like man if that would have been Jameis Winston, he'd be gave right now. Because Burns Burns beat Dom Smith on three spin, moves. Three different times. And they were all clean as a whistle I mean just spin right around him and straight for the quarterback. So it's like the quarterback had less than two seconds to get rid of the ball. Near like thank God Tom Brady was able to feel it coming or whatever get rid of it, and here it was you vouch for him in the off season Donovan, even well, there was one play I put this in the things I found interesting video. With the fumble remember the hand off with. Yeah. Arrived in Roggio yeah. Well it was. Guy That recovered it. Might, he might not covered I'm not real. Sure but. He fell on it anyhow. He was you know Hillman Don were locked up and the guy sees roggio coming. So he kind of pushes, Donovan? Away, and then he sees ball out now pause the video and you could see Donovan and this guy are both looking at the ball Kerr both standing right beside each other for both looking at the ball that guy dives down. Lands atop the ball. Tom. Brady dives down there Ronald Jones dive down there tristen worse on the other side of the line dot though. Donovan Smith stood there in. The whole play didn't move. He had his arms by his side and just stood there like a statue. A foot away from the Paul. Come on. I was just like, ooh, man I don't know how long that's GonNa last. But. We can't put Josh well in their tosh wells was in for one play and he got woved. Actually eat it really gets war TJ was confused as to what would play was saint. They can happen last year he just seemed confused about lot. Any lead Brian, Burns go right past him and get a tackle for a loss. What? Brian Jensen was throwing around. House Kappa don't be around. Alley more pet was throwing people around. and. Got A flag flying around here just driving me crazy can't stand for. Tail. That's why I love spiders because they eat flies. Keep pet spiders just to watch him eat flies. So, Alamar pet even got involved in the toughness and I've never seen him do this before it was I want to say it was thirty three. Can't remember who it was. He just grabbed him like Breitbart throats lane took him off his feet I've never seen. I know I don't know our office angry about something well between that, and then the late hit that he took exception own got on somebody's stays right? Yeah and. Worse was a big pretty nasty, but Genta by far was. As usual. In the saints video that you did he like Through is that what it's called a hip throughout. Kept us. Like two different people. Later on them. The love he's he's a nasty man. I'd like it when the big boys get Chevy there is nothing I do too and especially for your offense line like you need that. Yeah. Well, you saw it helped are running game. You know. But, Donald Smith, you have got to step it up buddy. We would never call anybody get cut. Because you're bucket near here. We were the hardest on a player that we've ever been Donovan. Deservedly, so I think he's just any had can't pass Aguirre last year. The best he's ever played right what the here's the thing. All of these instances where He got beat by somebody. Didn't really affect the play. Because like I said Tom Brady would get the ball out. Yeah. and. If it was a been Jameis Winston. He tried to scramble and it'd be a fumble or whatever in your dislike. Wow. Tom Brady has made it. He has nullified Donovan Smith Sucking. There's that. Definitely. So our offensive line played really good I enjoyed watching them. Are. Receivers is not so much really were dropping balls all. The one Mike Evans was going across the metal and Brady threw it and it kind of went off Mike hand reached out for it. It looked like it was a bad pass. Brady's arm got hit by fifty three Brian Burns. He poised seventy Tristan Morris right back in Brady and reached out and hit Brady's hands as he was thrown it. which we did that to forty five, Devon white comes rushing in and slams into bridgewater hits bridgewater as he's throwing bridgewater still had his arm to aside and somehow. It was very oppressive pass by bridgewater. He got that ball off in food a good twenty yards to Christian McCaffrey really with his wrist. Flick of the wrist now it was ugly ugly pass I mean it was like anger. It floated for a while now that the password the announcers that some kind of bird, he called it a duck. But? Yeah it's so sad because Devon White Hattie dead to rights handyman on you know it was wrapping mop and had a shoulder into him and. Bridgewater just. flips as wrist. Go Twenty hundred I know I was very impressive. I pause the video. REWIND and fast, forward it. I was like look at this. That's all he's doing to get the ball. He just flipping his wrists. flicking his wrist flipping. That's impressive. We're played pretty good game. But, our defense is GonNa make tougher anybody. They're gonNA feast. Week three. Yeah it was not that much holding in this game nothing like there was during the saints and we actually had a holding penalty called on us. pissed me off on really. After all that. The Saints? He Call Dang thing you're not gonNA call one against us. But we did have. If you recall. In I'm putting this in my penalty video for the saints which should become more. We had two false starts in the. Defensive. In Trent's what's called defensive. Defensive. Yeah we'll say encouragement we had two of those viva. Another was now Kong Su. Both of those brady was a breeze was in the shotgun possessor this. Week, one. was in the shotgun position and he flinches, yeah no wait a minute. The first one he was under. That's right. He had his head turned and he turned back in dropped his butt. And it caused three of our guys. To jump in Bay got called for. In that same game breezes in the shotgun position is got his hands out in front of him and he just jabs his hands out a little bit. You know like he's anticipating snap and it caused Suda come off signs and then there was another time during the game where he did the exact same thing and I want to say it was a goal that was Barrett. Jumped all sides, but he was able to get back. So. Least I. Thank you. Can't remember. My point man three times in week one, the quarterback did a false start and we got called for neutral zone infraction. That's all it's called. It happened twice in this game. Same Damn thing Teddy Bridgewater in the shotgun formation and he bob's head and does his hands. Caused the. Oh my gosh, why are the rest not calling? This is that's what's annoying about it. It's illegal to in their books. And he did it twice. So I put that in the video. For the. Things, I found interesting. Is has been five times in two weeks. We've got neutral zone infractions for the quarterbacks. Fall starring. Ralph's get on that mess but the rest didn't do a bad job this game definitely nothing like, Boettger. In his blind crew. Oh I forgot what our commenters on Youtube and I forget who it was. said that. Trump boettger and brady have a history. Yeah. You were telling me about that I wanted to look it up. Yeah. I'll pull up to comment and we'LL TALK ABOUT ANNEX SIGN Works for me. So whoever your comment or keep your gave you next time. On some. Proper Credit Co kids. A. So. Yeah. The the delete really needs to start doing something about that or at least our Ralph's. You know I don't know how widespread it is across the league, but he's quarterbacks are getting away with. Flinton. Yeah, acting like they're anticipating snap. Not supposed to move at all. I mean, they can't. They can't do any sudden movement. That's that's the road can't do any sudden movement that simulates a snap and they're all doing it. You know so. There we go. All right Oj Howard had it dropped wall Right in his hands. you know of course well, no. Shady McCoy had that drop in end zone. Scotty Miller had a drop all touchdown. Fifteen young man that was a beautiful pass. He Was Wide Open Sarah Grace. Right off your helmet. As. He had his hands up to how the how does that happen? Too. Fast. Oh. Gosh. But yeah, I mean he was we totally tricked their defense. He was wide open on the sideline it would have been touchdown. Right now helmet. I can recall I. Think it was week. One the offense was on the field, the box offense and Tom Brady it was on the broadcast and I think as just Watson was coming motion and Thomas Stop. Wait like right in the middle of the play. It was just such a weird. Thing that I noticed during the wrong cast and I was like it's definitely like a rhythm or timing thing for Tom. Receiver say that like the he wants to get a feel for where you're GonNa be and when I think he's just got this like internal clock this. Yes and The. Well. Here's a funny story with Grayson. Grazing is doing a great job blocking this guy. I. Think it was ninety four. From Carolina Panthers it was a run to the outside. For picking up five yards anyhow. Well Donovan Smith runs out like he's going to be a lead blocker out there and Ron's right in the Grayson knocks him down right office mayor say. Donovan Smith fell down. Yeah, he was a mess. He was. He had. He had one good play at the beginning of the game where he? threw. A guy but it was because more pet came over and helped him so. Donald's really I don't know what's going on there but. Cannon together. But UH. Home. That's right. Yeah and we talked about that their off season, it was going to be rough. Dame is I mean have the same thing with James when you? When you got that newborn man, you don't get sleep. Sleep. Anymore yeah and you just never know. You know I. Mean that whole first year I don't think we slept through the night till about four years I still don't sleep. Well. You never did so. Talking. About me I'm thinking since. I didn't start getting eight hours again until. Age for probably. Going back to the defense quick. I see here in my notes in the third quarter forty four seconds. Christian McCaffrey runs to the right and for five yards both Vita and Barrett missed tackles on a hill and it would have been good for five yard tackle for loss they both missed. It's like how come on man did they? Did he just slips through or they didn't even they shot or something. He slips through. Yeah he's a he's hard to. Bay Addict did a great job beaten has blocker with a nice swim move and was immediately in the backfield and win ended up basically. Right out of his grasp. Bear. It was right there. Barrett chased him down and went to. Foot Swipe, him and he missed him. So Played goodwill everybody except notchers notch. It really hasn't done much what this is so great. He was the training game warrior. No Right. I think he got a penalty. Sweet. Week one. But he really hasn't done. He hasn't gotten a lot of snaps. Recall. Thirty snaps in the past two games. But when you figure the interior defense I, mean like he comes in for Vita right. I mean and goal stand he comes in for all right earn. He's on the end no Golsen. I get I still haven't figured out the positions now that we switched to a three or four, I can't tell the difference when he would be a defensive tackle goals. So he's out there all the time him sue and Van. Well, Nacho well, when you think about Vita like his performance this season and then nachos coming in for him. So now hasn't really done much better. So that position, it sounds like it hasn't fared well mart. Double teams. Stuffy. Of course, but you know they. Always played against double teams always played well, he's just not getting that off. A lot of an. Is because teams are just getting the ball out as fast as I can against us. You know you have to have to you have to cannot setback Ter-? There's too many menacing faces on that line. And they're doing a lot poison. You see in Barrett's getting double teamed a lot But we're we moved around so much. You know you see them set up to like double team it, and then Ho drop back into coverage and those guys will be standing on all. What are we doing? It has all the time and it's it's, interesting. Our defense is really hard to figure out I. can't ever look at it and tell you what they're gonNA do ever. Sometimes, we'll play with five big guys up front. You know we'll have NACHO. Vida Golsen. Sue. And A. Who Else? I'm missing somebody took. Guns. Will have the big five beef guys up front. and. Then we'll have like a two. We'll have David in. The. White mixed up there too. So you got just as big massive amounts on the front line. And they don't do that very often like two or three towns, but I'm just like, oh, they better not try to run and I, always try to run it in your life. Why would you try to Raleigh stealing King Rodriguez? And that's another thing are run. Game are run stuffing has it been as good and I think a lot of that has to do with Vida. You know he's just not getting getting his Strength going there whatever well I just think that are Pasquin. Pass defenses so much better than it was last year so. I mean they're GonNa get yard somehow you can't completely cut it off. So I think with us not allowing as many pass yards. Kinda comes out on the other side in the run game. The last thing I want to talk about is Leonard Fournette. Yeah. He needs that starting job. Ronald Jones, you tried buddy. Four net can just you know some people called vision but it's it's really just being able to read your cues and four net is a master at he really is the level at seeing where he is supposed to go and follows his blockers in we used to complain about that all the time. Yeah. You know these running backs will you'll have a tied income over and go to a whole or fullback or whatever in the runback decides I'm to go over here. You know it's like you know follow your blockers. To do their. Zayn that away. Four net does that fantastically and he reads where he's supposed to go and he executes it you know and. Robert Jones just. Doesn't. Mean whole. They had the same holds they had the same guys that were playing against. They had the same offensive line. Porn. It can pop off. You Know Forty Yard touchdowns, thirty yard runs. Averaging five yards Iran before he got that touchdown. So. He just. He's more. He has Beijing Colorado. Yeah I predict. Week. Buying I think we've allay by like thirteen or something. I predict by like week eight. Ruin. It could be sooner but. If he goes to Denver and does the same thing then he'll be the star. Because he catch the ball to he had a great kachins game. That got us in I mean, he almost got a touchdown I. think he fell right at the one yard line. Herbs tackled right at the one airline but he. was, a tough catch and he was covered by defender and he made the catch and. got some yards after the catch. Jones I think you're going to be relegated to second stringer and I don't dislike Roger I. You know he's just young and hasn't quite developed. I mean for them to hold that roster spot. When we've got other viable options, it's an it's one thing you know the backup is Peyton Barber Dahri. Where you're like, yeah they're all kind of on the same level of just given road. Joe We don't depend on the run game anyway. Yes. Yeah and then we saw on that touchdown pass. When he got to that second level, he had learned speed on him for that Dan I. Mean He Outran Two safeties You know they were right there and he outran. Got To do. So I I mean I'm not rooting for Roda Fail, but I wouldn't mind I. think it'll be a good change. Really Change Pay. Good. Upgrade. The second story? Right. Before net is just definitely a better running back and it was going to be better for our team. It'd be nice to have roggio. Fill in the gaps. Yeah. He's the three down back. I mean he he can be out there sixty nine corey. Yeah he's a, he's a workhorse. Jacksonville's whole offense. Right Brew Merge. Ba doesn't. Have Workhorse running backs. So, we'll see doesn't believe in full backs. It's not believe in fullbacks. Doesn't believe we're using tight ends in the bathroom how God he had the press conference and he bringing it up this week everybody's like Yo you're paying Gronkowski dollars always doing a block it. Just grunk but I mean cameron, we're paying him to. Day Got, often I know He's rarely on the field. Mainly OJ anger up. Yeah and. I'll tell you this. Dude worth paying nine million for Gronk block at Billy I haven't seen no one else. Nobody ever did that in the. Things I found interesting as I pointed out they were both blocking side-by-side grog and Oj, and I just did a comparison has two different blocking ability there. GRONK. Is definitely the better blocker what do you say? Is Worse Than Oj blocking? Yeah. No, that's what I think too I. Don't know people on twitter were saying breaks are worse blocker and I'm like no chance. OJ looks like he resents me ask you to. Get that feeling he doesn't really put off into it. He's Kinda like Vernon hargraves on special team where he's like it you can tell that he's pissed about being out there for that reason that's how I feel about Oj and blocking that's a good way important. Put it. because. He's just basically a big body just gets in your way around him. He's like I don't care and he's not is never going to struggle with. Ya Right. Angle hurt myself I got balls to catch. So, grog has really improved our blocking and that's helping in our run game to. Pass protection by I. Did notice that we were not doing a whole lot to donald side. You know we. We We seem to be moving over to the left a little bit to the right. That's crazy. was to the left, but it wasn't Donovan's I think it was between Marquette and Jensen. When he got the touchdown Howard the running backs doing pass protection I haven't noticed. Vets. One of the things is that Brady's the ball out. So quick that they're not happen to pass the tax. That's crazy. Yeah I mean or Get because they're not gonNA. Lucia McCoy got beat. Okay. That was last week. Okay and he really has no excuse because he's been in the league long enough he should be a pass protect. Well the guy coming in about twice as big as he was, and he he held his own for a long for you know he got into guys away and helped him up a little bit. What he did beat just worth sack. had been last week. But I really haven't noticed her path block, which is a good thing. You know it just doesn't seem like they're getting the opportunity to block that much. Okay. Well I'm scan. Yes. Yeah. Looks I tell you what man are offenses look at its Gelin it's looking like it's coming together defense. No questions about that. No question about it even say that they are air on time and on the money they make mistakes back there Jamal Deen made a few mistakes but. Overall. Really. Really. Top notch playing good football back there. I like that Winfield. Yeah. Me Too. Don't forget to vote for him for Pepsi. Rookie of the week. NFL. Dot Com. Remember last week when Mike Evans went out for that touchdown. Pass and Brady threw interception and everybody was whose fault was that and it turned out to be Evans's. They ran that same play and that's when Evans got that big yardage. It wasn't exactly the same play with that was the same route between those two and. You could tell they were just very proud they were. and. It just shows that they're getting better and actually wrote it down in my notes. I said, Hey, that looks like the same way, and then there was an interview with. Different coordinate. No. Questions and he said that they ran. The. Is basically the same route. On. That play. And they did a little bit better on it. All right. So defenses great offensive line is Jalen except Donovan. RUN Games coming along and it looks like our receivers are getting in sync with Tom Brady. So I think the League needs to watch out. The whole I gotta say, and it needs to start with the Denver Broncos. Braga on the Mall High, and we're taking him to the ground Mile High. Drama from a mile. I kind of feel bad for them. I don't know who you are if you decided. No Mercy Strike First. Strike hard now. The injury report, and then all talk about their injury bug and. How They fared the season and how I think we're GONNA do so the injury report for Thursday. Chris on the bucks side Chris Godwin with concussion. He's been a full participant all week Scotty Miller has a hip slash groin injury. He was limited Wednesday and again on Thursday. Shaped has a knee injury. He was limited. Wednesday. He did not practice Thursday but typically he's had Thursdays off. So I don't think it's injury related although he is on the injury report. Donovan Smith has a knee injury. He was limited Wednesday and Thursday, and then Justin Watson has a shoulder injury. He did not practiced Wednesday or Thursday. On the broncos and their injury report is quite extensive. Tackle Garrett Bowles has an elbow injury. He was a full participant, Wednesday and Thursday. Tight End Jake but. Has A. Injury. Journey just say end blood. So. Unfortunate. Has a hand. He gets rib all day long. I. Do not change play tight end. I mean if anything place safety sometimes Dan tied but. But tithing. Tab Day. He was a full participant in practice all week. Defensive End Durell. Casey has an elbow injury he was limited Wednesday and a full participant on Thursday. Wide Receiver tyree Cleveland had a HIP injury. He was a full participant Wednesday and Thursday say. CORNERBACK devante Harris had a hamstring injury. He did not practice Wednesday or Thursday defensive end. Shall we Harris had a neck injury? He's been limited both days. Wide Receiver Jerry Judy has a rib injury. He's been limited all week running back Philip Lindsey had a foot injury. He has not practiced all week. quarterback drew lock has a right after injury. He did not practice all week. He has reportedly out three to five weeks. So we will talk about who we're going to face in a moment safety trae Marshall has a hip slash wrist injury and he's been limited all week. Titan Albert Oh. Cool wake. Hooked on phonics. Had A hip injury and he was a full participant, Wednesday and Thursday. Outside linebacker Bradley Chubb. Do not practice Thursday. They've is not injury related. So in addition to all those injuries they have lost. Let's see eight players already to injured. At starters now, not all they only lost two or three starters. This flaws job. That's what the kids like they're in and out and shut the door my mother you live in a barn raising aren't. We can't automatically look at the quarterback I will tell you. Okay, so they having off. Backer. Dramatic. Way. He was a rookie fifth round. Injury that required surgery. Learn. Defensive End Draymond Jones they lost him wide receiver Cortlandt Sutton. which sisters happened last week he was, of course, there are number one. He's gone. Are you writing for fantasy. The at. Zero. He's got. So Wide Receiver Jerry duty who was on the injury report. and. K. Hamblur. Are Starting. They're both rookies. Receivers. So that should be fun for our defensive backs. Do They Lost Titan Austin Fort Linebacker Marc Maron Hey former buccaneer. We will not see him on injured reserve. I don't know of course, von Miller, they lost. Defensive End Markus Walker and then cornerback. Aj Buoy. Von Miller. Aj were starner's in court inland Sutton. Those. Three starters that they lost. Just very unfortunate and then of course. Jerus- walk got hurt against Pittsburgh last week. And Then Start with his name. Driscoll Jeff Jeff. Lawson, my notes anyway. Driscoll came in and got nearly murdered. They sacked him six times. Holy Cow Pittsburgh. Then what six times? We second ten I know like, no wonder drew lockout hurt what the and apparently has got Smith is saying that the. Row there's there center is a rookie and he struggled against Pittsburgh. So Vida might have a good day I. Hope. I hope so. Yeah. So driscoll ended up going against Pittsburgh eighteen of thirty four, he had two, hundred, fifty, six yards, two touchdowns an interception. The. Six sacks for fifty three yards that that's just outrageous six sacks. Three yards either yarns could love. One Game Yes. I know. That they're off it have. Well they ran for about one hundred yard sales like. Yeah. Driscoll had acute quarterback rating of fifty, four point eight and a passer rating of eighty four point nine. Melvin Gordon is running back. He was their leading rusher for seventy yards. They had just over a hundred yards rushing ten also forgot he winter I did to. payday there. There are leading receiver was Portland Sutton. Who of course got injured when he had sixty six yards although forty five yards came on one Passo. Not that spectacular. There tight end was actually third leading receiver Noah fant. So we might see a little bit from him he had fifty seven yards and a touchdown. Their defense only had one sack against Ben Rothlisberger? And Ben did pretty well, he went twenty nine of forty, one for three hundred eleven, yards, two touchdowns, and then interception and just that one sack. He had one receiver had an eighty four yard reception. So it sounds like to me. They probably can't tackle or cover. So as to me like they're. In. For whooping son. Yeah Driscoll. is on his third team in three years came in the League in two thousand, Eighteen, he came to Cincinnati. Then last year he was with Detroit, and now he is with Denver. He started eight games in his career. He's thrown for one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, four, yards, twelve touchdowns, seven interceptions. So it's not too bad. Positive. Of course, we have Shaq Barrett going home but then we will also see Demar Dotson who was denver starting right tackle. Shack Burger is going to be going against Moore Dog. That's GonNa be a good match up there. Yeah. Fun. Yeah. All Right Ralph given all that information. What is your prediction? What can here's one hundred forty. DENVER. To okay let me tell you. So they played Tennessee weak one, they lost sixteen to fourteen. So it was pretty close. Of, course that was withdrew lock. And then an courtroom son at Pittsburgh, they lost twenty one to twenty six. To close games one with half thirteen knocked out of commission. Yes. which do do we know which one was played at home Denver I now. Tennessee Tennessee. His Plane at Bloomberg hard. Place to play. Yeah senior. I'M GONNA? Go. With. Buccaneers, of course. and. I'm just trying to figure out how big of a margin I wanna make high now you know I kinda shot on my initial already. Have Mine do you WanNa hear mine. No. Okay. I'm going to go thirty one, seventeen. Okay. buccaneers. That's that was our score last week. Really thinking outside the box here. Really. Yeah. That's what we beat the. Thirty one week by. My prediction last week I said that the box we're GONNA win forty, five to ten. Yeah. So was off. I wanted to do like a big I actually revised my. Score prediction my initial, almost thirty eight to nineteen. So I bumped it down to thirty four nineteen. Okay I think between all the injuries and. Our team just being really good. To have We're. Inexperienced quarterbacks are going to have a very difficult time with this defeat so far we played to experienced quarterbacks very experienced. Some of these quarterbacks coming up or just going to have a very difficult time. Well, and when you have so much change on your roster, it's just Har- yes weather. But then again on our side. We're GONNA be playing at Mile High Stadium Yeah that's difficult a little bit difficult so and they're going to talk balls flying through the air. Kicks go further. But you get winded quick. Hopefully they got these guys playing. Those oxygen masks at. Remove your oxygen. Yeah, yeah, you run with them. So that makes it harder to breathe struck. Yeah. It's you don't even realize it's happening when I'm when I lived in. Colorado it was. It was an experience actually passed out biking one day almost got killed fell right over in the street. They had no idea not feel lightheaded or nothing. I'm going to do next thing I know. Millionaire and there's a tire van squealing to stop. Elma Guinness Him hope that doesn't happen in. You got anything else. That's it. That's it. We've got our predictions in putting our money down at the casino. and. We are going to win this week. No doubt about it. I'm not gonNA tell Y'all what to do with your money because last time wanted the titans last year. We all up and I said, I'm not going to do that anymore i. just cost people money. So. We have a really good shot at winning against Denver. Although I'm pretty sure the spreads way in our favor. Saint. There we go. Denver four twenty five PM. Sunday be there Think positive. Let's get gone. Bucks. Are GonNa win if you want to get in touch with the best place to do it is youtube comments. Or twitter. Or handle, is at box underscore. Observer. Molly handles all that social. Social Engineering is what I was getting a call it. What's it called? Social Media Social Media Look that's all off. 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