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6: The Nose Hair Trimmer

The Immaculate Deception

29:44 min | 5 months ago

6: The Nose Hair Trimmer

"Why does identity matters so much the right to know where you come from? Imagine coming home for Christmas and mom suddenly tells you Daddy Daddy. You have to think of who you are again. You have to construct a different narrative of who you are. Your story has become bigger. And you WanNa see that story you WanNa see it full when you want to have. That picture on the wall for you to show to yourself is identity to me. Six years ago Laura. Bush was working for an NGO that campaigns for children's rights in the Netherlands and One of these days. A group of donor conceived children would continuously asked me for my assistance. They wanted Laura's help because now they were adults. They had concerns about the doctor who had given their mothers fertility treatment. Dr Yan call back. This was how the case came to my attention and there were so many rumors. Mr Badu's berm of a specific donor issues on the autism spectrum. Mr Bad's stop his sperm so potentially siblings for not siblings at all. He did not screen. His donors Sukova uses own sperm. It was just too much. Everybody knows something was wrong but nobody was really looking into what we could do with his remorse. We need to find a way to get this into court. Wish you make a case out of this. And that's what lower did in this episode the daunting task of trying to get justice for car bats victims and a secret recording that was passed onto joey together. Anonymous audio tape that contains some startling revelations about combats legal official family and how much they might have known about his deception and they spoke that they already knew in the family that there was something wrong. I'm Jenny Clemens and from something else. This is the immaculate deception episodes six. Nice hat trimmer We're recording this in spring. Twenty twenty moving. Eleven years after combats clinic was shut down and three years. After the doctor's death the fight to bring some kind of resolution to the people whose lives Car Bat. Touched is still ongoing. The case is about to be heard in the Dutch courts. That is their first opportunity to get any kind of justice but it began in two thousand fourteen when call back was still very much alive and a group of people who were conceived. His clinic contacted Laura Bush. Laura was training as a lawyer and working for an international children's rights. Ngo called defense for children here. Netherlands and part of my work consisted of Looking into cases where children felt their rights were violated. One of the reasons why. I'm so fascinated by this case and the other similar cases that I found is it. Something you just feel in your gut is is wrong and yet proving how it is wrong legally or who is wrong is really complicated. I mean what do you think what is what is wrong? What is the coin? A third is a source of identity. If I knew the answer to that question but this question actually allowed me to start studying ethics because the law wasn't helping anymore This goes to the question. What is actually harming these cases? What's to harm if you're born in certain station? That was not as you wanted it to be. And what kind of claims can you formulate as a as a child or an individual towards the ones who created you? Laura was determined to build a case against combats on behalf of the donor conceived people who'd approached her. But what kind of legal action could they bring? And who could represent them in court and our. We spent the next year or year and a half finding a lawyer willing to take on his case. That was really trying but eventually they found someone. My name is Debbie. I Birkin Hollandaise lawyer Little firm gold. Rex Forgotten Rex lawyers pool and I went to meet him at his office in the East Holland near the border with Germany. We are small town called. We can we can. We Can. Yes we should. There's only four thousand in evidence Tim Buddhis- sat across the boardroom table from US shop. Great suit and a red tie friendly but serious. He's a busy man. I had to email him four times and text him twice before he replied and agreed to an interview said he doesn't talk to international journalists but he listens to a lot of podcasts. So he said he'd make an exception for us in two thousand sixteen. Tim agreed to meet up with a group of donor conceived children and some of their parents who are all seeking justice. They got together in a hired conference room in Utrecht. It was the first time many of these people would met each other in person. Now they will face to face sharing the most intimate details of how the families were made and they had a lot of questions. There was suspicions unease about how about round the clinic but no concrete proof of anything yet. Well they asked me I think the administration is not right. They had concerns about vital piece of paperwork called a donor passport. And that's some basic information about donor. At says is high. Wade's If he's married or not what? His job is cut off his hair and his eyes and there were some examples where Mater Hospital donut passport right. After the birth of child she got it and when sixteen years old to Charles asks to the clinic for the donor passports they send it to her and was completely different. Look really like a Cabal. Just made possible. Stop other details emerged by. Then they had sufficient Nicobar uses human. But the only reason that they told me was because the seasons was when introduced. Women felt that the semen was wall when as About as covered game from outer the other room and told him now I really have good sperm. And for sure you'RE GONNA get pregnant now because sperm excellent well they had doubts about if there was correct and if it a sperm that agreed upon they will wondering couldn't it be dispersed combat himself. Tim knew they needed more than rumors and suspicions if they were ever going to bring a case against combat he needed the doctors. Dna to prove he actually was the father of his patients babies and he needed it quickly. Combat eighty-eight in two thousand sixteen. But getting him to agree to a DNA test seems impossible from the beginning on combat told. Us was true. And it's not possible because I lost my prostate and virtual anymore so I can beat the father of these children but he wouldn't cooperate though I thought. Why do you don't want to cooperate if if you if it's not true then yeah you can prove it by working and cooperating with us? And when he didn't thought well maybe there's more about this that's true actually isn't it should be very very simple if if if he's if he's not the father premium the father. Tim was determined to keep working on the case. Even without a DNA sample a year later he was ready to bring legal action. Combats clinic had been closed for nearly a decade but the doctor was still living in the same building. The stalks still nail to its roof. I sent him a letter in the letter. I told him well you you may. There's a lot of wrongdoings and I advise you to send this to your insurance company. So I didn't get nothing so then I called him. I'd come back picked up the phone and he. He sounds very happy. Strangely Mr British yes I received your letter yes I send it to my insurance company. Everything right okay. The doctor seem totally unfazed. Okay thank you. The compensation was over the will. There's something wrong with him. I think because she folks to be scared now Tim didn't know it. Then but this would be the last ever heard from the doctor. In a matter of months combat was dead so we had a big problem What TO DO In spring twenty seventeen children's rights activist. Laura Bosh was working alongside Tim butters to find legally admissible proof the combat used his own sperm to inseminate his patients they would bring proceedings to try and compel combat to provide them with DNA sample just a week before we were finally finally ready with the civil suit or file that would have been sent to mister car bats to announce that we were trying to get him into court then all of a sudden. I was cooled by the lawyer. And he said well he actually died some of the models earth that he died thought. Well I don't know anything about it and I didn't hear anything about it. There were no debts difficult sore. No nothing in internet so for US. He was still alive but the room which was so strong. Mike Golic just picked up the phone and calls all a that barriers. They rang only undetake his in the Rotterdam area and they asked him. Did you bury about and then the last one we call. Yes two weeks ago. We had a funeral of about in here so then we knew I was born in bottom near the clinic and for the for. This is a hard one of the sixty something callback. Kids the one who came up with a tongue-in-cheek keeping up with the car bastions reality. Tv idea we heard about an episode four. She grew up in the same neighborhood as the clinic. A cycle to school everyday near over the dike clinic was here. We're going to hear from INCA properly in the next episode. But I wanted to include part of her story now because she has a really unique connection to cop outs death through the man who is her legal. Father Father's always worked as an undertaker at so boaty retired but he was still working at two A. T. Institute to help out and to drive the car. Yes I was there for dinner and so they and he said Oh you know in our cooler at the moment to Dr so we talked about it. He always talk about. Yeah who's passed away in the village because it's a small village that is helping out to the undertaker and after the funeral we heard it. We found out I was. His daughter has logical daughter so my legal fodder has buried biological father which I think is hilarious but there was nothing for Tim to laugh about. His legal case had been thrown into crisis. Eventually News of combats death became public and afterwards there was an article in newspaper about it that the relatives kept it secret and just declared a news off towards. Why would they keep it secret? I Dunno it complicated. The case extremely because part of our case was asking for his DNA and seeing he was dead it would become a different story could not consent to having his DNA being extracted with the amount swap but the mothers fathers and donor conceived children. Still wanted to continue with the case. Three percents wanted to start proceedings against Cuba to get his DNA to compare it to them. They had three options option. One wants to dig up the corpse of Cabal but that will be really harsh. We did not want to go there. There was option to. We've tried to find an alternative way of getting DNA. From Mr Bad's by asking on television whether one of his family members would be willing to come forward and GIFT HIS DNA. None of combats family responded to the appeal but there was a third option. We asked the judge for permission to go to the House of Capet to get Article Step. Were used back about and to seize your doom for evidence the weeks after about a bailiff ring on the door from Mrs Kabbah. And he's told her yeah. We have to go in to get stuff from your house. She said Oh. I denied you cannot go in. I don't want to cooperate for police. Officers went in and they searched and searched every room the bathroom the bathroom. Everything took the stuff from their house. The comb a no Stromberg thinks he used DNA on its. They seized the trimmer combat news to clip his nose. Half it's still contained. A few has with the doctor have ever thought this little personal hygiene device would betray him but there was still legal hurdles to come they won the right to seize his DNA but not to test it. The judge decided we could get DNA from these articles but they had to go into the safe combats. Defense lawyers were trying to stop anyone from accessing it. Tim would need to win his the right to have it released so it could be tested and eventually compared against the DNA of those who suspected he was their biological father was a very tense situation and public. Tribune was full of donor conceived children or individuals. I should say with their families. They were all upset and they felt. This was a moment where their story would be heard. The lawyer gave a very compelling speech about why this was a violation of the rights of these these persons and the lawyer of the the estate of Mr Bada. An office says Wife she was very strong in denying everything. It was like a clash. There was this group of people who said something very bad happened to us and we feel violated than the other party. Said they did not happen. Why are you saying this? It was like a soap series. Two years passed and then in February. Twenty nine teen. The judge gave her verdict. She ruled in favor of that claim and everyone was cheering. Basically people were crying and falling in each other's arms. I was it was emotional. It truly was. I mean. People failed recognized. Of course it didn't. It wasn't closure for everything but it was a landslide decision. Because for the first time donor conceived individuals got to claim something from their potential genetic father that was previously withheld from them. Let me explain what little remains here. In The Netherlands only people conceived after two thousand and four. Have the right to know who their own a father is. This verdict was the first time don't conceived adults owned before. Two Thousand and four were allowed to investigate the identity of their biological fathers. The old nose hair left in combat's trimmer gave them a right to know who they were that they never had before. And I think that was reason why some people would cry when this verdict came about and it was a very emotional setting and it meant a lot. The hair was tested and for the first time off. Two years of nagging doubts and suspicions. Dozens of people could finally say for sure that Yan Kopat walls that far there was still so many who felt denied justice especially the women who've been combats patient. What about the mothers I mean? Couldn't you make a good case to say that? The mothers had been assaulted because whilst they consented to the procedure they didn't consent to that specific procedure. Something happened inside their bodies that they didn't want to happen. Yeah of course actually models dead were donor conceived with this even of Quebec. They told me I've I've felt raped by him because I was there in a room naked waiting for the treatment. He went into a room next door and he came back with warm. Sperm fuse lack like you. Can you can say a medical rape. That's pretty much how Lydia described her experience to me. She told me she was misused. Abused by the doctor. Even though the mothers were clearly combat victims they were largely absent from the media coverage of the case. If you Google combat you'll see image after image of the combat kids of combat. The clinic the courts and Tim in his suit. But no Martha's it seems strange to me. Give them what I'd seen about other cases abroad. They've been American cases of doctors fathering children that they've helped create and when I read coverage of those cases the focus is a lot on the mothers and the violation of the mothers. And that doesn't seem to be the case in in how this has been looked at in this country. Can you explain that? These cases were brought forward by children's Rights Organization and donor conceived individual organization. It wasn't litigation for damages by the Barents Decision Movement Where were donor conceived? Individuals started to claim their right. Do you think in some respects that has denied the mothers the status of victimhood in in the kind of wider public view here. Yeah of course you're competing for the limelight solely true and I would have loved for women's Rights Organization to step up and support because we we really should have those who are victims speak for themselves and not others. The same goes for the fathers would love for a for an organized men group to say. Well this is not how we perceive fatherhood in our society and this is like a disrobing of what it means to be a father. Yes please join a stage. Why hasn't that happened? I think they're still to hunt procreation and if it doesn't work out in your bedroom you have to go and ask for help at the doctor's office that that might hamper proactive position. Taking these groups now that combat is dead. No criminal charges can ever be brought against him but that is an ongoing civil suit. A legal fight to claim damages against his estate and Rita combat as its executor fifty-three plaintiffs people conceived in the clinic. Combats patients and their partners are in the process of suing for the financial and emotional damages. The doctor inflicted on them. Joey is one of them. You'll cases against his estate and his family because you feel that they could have done more and could be doing more to put things right. Yeah yeah is this about what you want is an admission of guilt and an apology ordeal. The money is would make as well because you have expenses. I mean what would justice? What what does justice look like? Fear for me an apology. That that's justice and also pulled you from the government because they had to supervision All of what's happened and they did not but yeah for my mom. I would like to have a financial compensation because sixty six and don't think that the woman of that age should deal with this kind of problems. What difference would compensation mate you I don't think that it makes difference But I think there has to be a compensation and for my mom or four. Four defense has affected by it but she added food nut. Coffer was happens. But that's something. Since his death much of the anger felt towards Yan combat has been redirected to what his widow Rita. We tried to contact her. Her lawyer said she won't talk to us. But how much did we to really know? How much did any of the doctors legal family no? There isn't much about combats. Legal family in the public domain. None of his official children have ever given interviews. But we do know that Rita wasn't his first wife and that he had children in previous relationships. I thought nothing about John. Callback could surprise me anymore until Tim told me this. He had two children with tree different spouses and he had twenty two official legal children. Surely this is building up a picture of somebody who really wants his DNA to remain platter if you add the twenty two legal children combat had from his relationships to the sixty or so he fathered by deceiving his patients that brings the total number of children of combats to well over eighty and. Tim told me something else. Gel of about a normal child's legal child had given his DNA to film database and database the Dutch databases for DNA. It turns out that long before they got their hands on the nose hat trauma. One of combats legal children had already quietly come forward and volunteered his DNA to the official body that looks after donor conceived children in the Netherlands. Of course they still needed combats own. Dna to bring a legal claim against his estate but the DNA from combat son provided an important clue for those trying to piece together their identity. Tell me about that son of combat. Do you know who it was. No no you don't know why he did it. No I don't know why did it. Well I guess why. He did it but he gave a sperm to these DNA. Database explicitly told them. You can only use it if combat. My father has died but he's not spoken out at all or ever spoken publicly to explain. No 'cause it's interesting. Given that his his family his immediate family as in his wife at the time of his death and they that they were so protective of him and a not wanting to cooperate with the case. Yeah the idea that one of his children would go out on a limb and do this is very interesting history and there was something else that suggests that other people might have heard the call bat was betraying his patients again. The anonymous audiotape. He was told it was a recording of one of call. Bats legally recognized children who was talking to monitor. That thought that her cello toss from the doctor and Bay spoke that they already knew indefintely that there was something wrong. Jerry didn't share that recording with us. But someone else did. It's been circulating. What's up and private facebook groups? We think it was made around five years before car. Death and that it's a recording of one of combat's many children from a previous relationship speaking on the phone to a woman who suspects she was inseminated with doctors sperm. We call verify it conclusively but we do think it lightly to be genuine. Many of the details revealed in the compensation timelines and concrete facts match. What we've heard from other sources who are going to protect their privacy. We've decided not to reveal the gender of the Combat Child on the recording and we've distorted their voice but this is what we've learned. They back up what Tim told me about. The number of official children call by folded and go even further saying Rita is his fifth wife and he has at least five children with all of them but the Humane Society of the game and that affects your boats motorcyles. They say he had a few extra marital children from when he was married to their mother. And that they know of at least twenty. Two children callback conceive. Naturally off Rusoff. They confirmed that a brother had donated his DNA to help. People conceived nf all clinic because the brother was fed up with their father always getting away with everything on wanted the truth to one day come out they say. My old man didn't live an honest life. He didn't approach things Roy. He misbehaved his whole life. He was always in a position to be able to. He's never really been punished. He got fired one when he was the director of a hospital by the head of the provincial states. So that's some sort of punishment look. He's an extremely intelligent guy but he is in burdened by conscience or honesty. He just isn't bothered. It resembles psychopathy. He experiences little guilds next time in off final episode while the civil case rumbles on all the what the future holds for some of the people whose lives have been touched by combat in very different ways. The ones who worry. How much of the doctor they might have inherited. So you're paranoid that you might absolutely paranoid all the time. They'll say stick them so egoistic and yeah and not considering feelings of somebody else of other people the ones you can't escape the consequences of what he did every single day. Everything that I do. I'm reminded combat has neglected to do basically on the ones he's lines are on hold because of him I think is absolutely Ah Taunts Him. Being my dad. Hum Immaculate Deception is something else production. It was written and presented by me Jenny. Clean Paul Smith is a producer with additional production from all the Ad Lincoln and sound design comes from will short spoke media the editor and executive producer. Is Peggy Sutton? Thank you to macktaz. Saron. Dan Cocker Mark. Rivers and Steve Ackerman. If you identify with any of the issues where reporting on and have a story you'd like to share with us on email address is deception at something else dot com.

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Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

The Baron of Botox

03:32 min | 6 months ago

Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

"The Immaculate Deception a new podcast series from something else is about the true story of a fertility doctor who used his own sperm to inseminate his patients in this new nine part series reporter. Jenny clemen meets the Children. He conceived and the people he deceived. Here's a preview of the show in twenty seventeen Joey Huffman and Marsha Vander Shawn's both received life changing news. I will hear from Jerry. Who found out that he had been conceived at the doctor's clinic. I knew that there was something wrong. Joey was reading the headlines. About the clinic. He'd seen that. It was close down in two thousand and eight. He learned about the rumors the complaints in suspicions about what went on inside it. I was quite emotional. Stressed and I tried to call my mom for a couple of times. But she didn't answered the phone and they're among the news reports. Joey saw a photo of the doctor who ran the clinic. Dr Yan Combat. I knew this is something really absurd but I can't see his face I see myself. He needs the narrow face smile. Lines those unmistakable teeth at the same smell the same look in the ice so I sent the picture to France and I did not say anything and then they say. Is that you joey. He was the living image of the doctor. Meanwhile Moshe got a call from an unknown number. I was at work and when I drove home from work. It's like ten minutes drive so it's nothing I missed the call. It was from social worker at film. The Dutch organization that helps adopted and donor children find their biological families marshes. Dna had been in its database ever since that TV show. So I went in my mother's always this Monday. Because my mother has always rushing matere minimum. And then my telephone ordering and I told my mother well. I don't WanNa answer this call in front of the children. I'M GONNA go outside to to have a more quiet confrontation and I asked her telephone and there will see three nights. Social worker from sheets said well. I have some news and actually have two kinds of news. Okay tell me how first of all we found. Eighteen of your half brothers and sisters. So wow eighteen did this. Wow amazing she's well. Yeah I have to tell you something else because I think we know who the donor is already a little bit shocked. Because it's really weird that they would find your donor and she said well. Yeah we're quite positive. Like ninety nine percent. Sure that it's looked occur by. Himself to sit for immaculate. Deception is available weekly beginning March. Eighteenth on Apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

Boomtown

04:31 min | 6 months ago

Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

"The Immaculate Deception a new podcast series from something else is about the true story of a fertility doctor who used his own sperm to inseminate his patience in this new non part series reporter. Ginny clemen meets the Children. He conceived and the people he deceived. Here's a preview of the show. Let me introduce you to a new series from something else. I'm Jenny Klayman. I'm a journalist and for the past few months. I've been trying to find out exactly what happened in the clinic of the renowned Dutch fertility doctor Janka bat after his clinic's doors closed for good. They're whispers that. Some of his patients had been given a kind of help that they didn't ask for as the babies conceived there became adults. They began to ask questions about where they came from. I'm will happen to them of his clinic. Immaculate Deception is the story of a doctor who is determined to create life by any means possible. You're about to hear preview of the Immaculate Deception. But before that make sure you subscribe on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you're listening now in twenty seventeen Joey Huffman and Marsha Vanda Shawn's both received life changing news. I will hear from Jerry. Who found out that he had been conceived at the doctor's clinic. I knew that there was something wrong. Joey was reading the headlines. About the clinic. He'd seen that. It was closed down in two thousand and eight. He'd learned about the rumors the complaints in suspicions about what went on inside it. I was quite emotional. Stressed tried to call my mom for a couple of times. She didn't answer the phone and they're among the news reports. Joey saw a photo of the doctor who ran the clinic. Dr Yan Combat. I knew this is something really absurd. I can't see his face a seed myself. He needs the narrow face smile. Lines those unmistakable teeth at the same smell the same look in the ice so I sent a picture to France and I did not say anything and then they say. Is that you joey. He was the living image of the doctor. Meanwhile MARSHA got a call from an unknown number. I was at work and when I drove home from work. It's like a ten minute drive so it's nothing I missed the call. It was from a social worker film the Dutch organization that helps adopted. And don't children find that Biological Families Masha? Dna had been in its database ever since that TV show. So I went in. My mother always said this was on a Monday because my always rushing cheer for minimum wage. And then my telephone during and I told my mother well. I don't want to answer this call in front of the children. I'M GONNA go outside to to have a more quiet confrontation and I ask telephone and there was this really nice social worker from film and she said well. I have some use and actually have two kinds of news okay. You'll tell me how first of all we found eighteen year off brothers and sisters so wow eighteen hours. That's a lot amazing. She's the valley up. I have to tell you something else because I think we know who to donor is and I was already a little bit shocked because It's really weird that they would find your donor and she said well yeah. We're quite positive like ninety nine percent. Sure that it's looked at Quebec himself. My Shoe for me. That was the immaculate deception. Immaculate Deception is available weekly beginning March eighteenth on Apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher or wherever you get your podcast.

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#41: Outsmarting Cholera

Important, Not Important

1:01:17 hr | 2 years ago

#41: Outsmarting Cholera

"Welcome to important. Not important mine. Aim is credit and I'm Brian Colbert. Kennedy and there's teddy Ted. Smashed face. You've been napping. Hey, today's topic. Brian outsmarting cholera. Yep. Yep. Here's the thing. Cholera still around. I thought it was dead and still really sucks, but there's hope on the treatment side at least. And what's that hopes name Brian that that hopes name is Dr minion? Yeah. That's right. Dr Yan is a CEO of her medical startup phase pro where she's developed viruses to target cholera bacteria because. And every. Our final losing battle. She's got a PHD molecular microbiology from Tufts University and she started her own lab because bang. That's how she rolls. Why wait around for stuff when you can do it yourself? This is another one of those really fun ones where I feel like we should develop a small segment in the in the middle of the podcast where we just say Brian. How would you develop virus today? That's what we should do literally. What is the first step? I have no idea by microscope microscope. Right. I think it's I it's don't be me be a whole different person. How many different choices different? Very smart. And she's like literally just getting started. Yeah. I love talking to these folks who are going to be going to be world changers. Yeah. Pretty pretty awesome stuff. Awesome. All right. Let's get into it. Let's do it. Soccer yen rock and roll. Our guest today's Mimi yen and together, we're going to talk about outsmarting cholera Mamie. Welcome. Yeah. Thank you. Then diets pleasure to be here. Well, you say that now given an hour. We're very happy to have you. Okay. So Mimi just tell us real bik who you are. And what you do share on. So right now, I am currently the CEO affairs pro and where Abatovic startup that uses stages or viruses that specifically target and killed bacteria and order to on alleviate the diseases in global health. So specifically looking at collar right now, very good. First question age, Brian too quick. Two stages. They have been known about nineteen twenties, and they end maybe. There viruses that just like we have an while viruses that go after our human saws bacteria also have irises specifically target and kill bacteria. Only college bacteria ages are Phages for short. And so they were discovered in the nineteen twenties and looked at for a long time for therapeutic applications, especially for anti microbial purposes. But then antibiotics came along in nineteen forties. The US and most of western Europe, really focus all of their time antibiotics because this natural bullet. Whereas eastern Europe. Interestingly enough because they're like we don't want to be like the west. We're going to not focus on the antibiotics and focus on developing these stages further so actually right now and the Republic of Georgia, but they have set up is like a center that you go in and if you have a bacterial infection, they have this whole library Phages that they screen to tailor the age their pay for your particular bacterial infection. So that's pretty cool. Wow. Brian's going to have a lot of questions. Get the answers to them though. The answer. That's why you're here. So poets. All right. So let's we'll get a conversation going here. We are big believers in questions that elicit action answers. So we're going to talk about a cholera, and how you're going to defeat it yourself, and what we can do to help you along the way that sounds. All. Right. Sounds great. All right. She was she just went along. Yeah. All right. Not so many. We have one important question. We like to start with if you actually did listen to some of the other episodes, you might know what it is. Instead of saying tell us your whole life story. I am curious. How you got where you are? We'd like to ask me, why are you vital to the survival of the species? I did hear this question. And our my God. I ask Brian every morning when he walks in. He's still not answering me. I will get it one day. I don't know about me. I do think that the stage research community as a whole can provide an alternative as we're searching for solutions to the rise of the antibiotic resistance around the world and the way that I got started with this is that when I was doing my college undergrad, also like all about global house, and engineering solutions, by related know, what action to take that on site decide to go to grad school, and I did at HP microbiology at Tufts University with Andrew Camilli, and he's this well renowned expert internationally in cholera, but he was also getting into the study of Phages and heroes interested in figuring out whether or not they could be used as intervention and joined his lad, I decided that that was going to be my way of contribution. I actually went to Haiti in two thousand fourteen and. And been crazy. It was it was definitely I opening and that was four years ready after the earthquake and really didn't seem like anything had been fix or change. I know there was a lot of aid that went through. And sometimes when that happens, there's redundancies and not everyone's working at the fish as possible to make the greatest impact, unfortunately. So I had gone down to Christian vow to help train on the scientists and page biology, boss Justice studied, the color epidemic there, and that's what really gave me the motivation as to the role that I wanted to play in global health. I wanted to be not just a scientists at the bench. I wanted to actually make an impact. So when Andy, and I talked afterwards, we decided to go for it for my thesis project, do the animal model. Testing see if it works and turns out it did. Thank you. So that's what we're trying to bring to market. Now. It has a whole other set of challenges that we're working through. We're gonna get into that. Thank you for that. Let's stab some context for today's topic which is defeating cholera. It's definitely not pronounced Clara, not the. Be totally. I think I'm wrong don't think so she's the US kind of out of. Thank you to be clear. You should definitely tell both of us. Whenever wrong in the sternest possible town, Don don't don't dance around it. All right. So we just like to get everybody. The two of us you though, I assume using ten percent of your brain to talk to us are amazing listeners at home are on the subway or driving and texting wherever they are on the same page. Bryan might have questions. We'll take that long. May just tell us again everywhere we're wrong so cholera. It's not pretty lot of folks. We've listeners all of the world. But in the US is it's pretty exceptionally rare at this point. So so I feel like people might not be familiar with it as opposed to everywhere else. But it is a bacteria infection of the small intestine is that correct? Most time leads to terrible diarrhea sometimes within hours leading to severe dehydration and often death. So three to five million people a year get it ranging anywhere is big range, of course, depending on on the pandemic upper thirty thousand to one hundred fifty thousand deaths year, we've had seven or so pandemics over the last two hundred years is that about right? My end the longest running one, the, oh, that's great news while I bought my notes, an mostly comes from as I understand it unsafe water and sometimes food like seafood far as I understand only humans are affected by it. And it seems like in a lot of things we talked about Brian rising sea levels and flooding should make it even more prevalent. Shocker shocker that. Everything is connected. Yup. We know it goes back as far as fifth century BC. Somebody founded written in sanskrit, which is great thing. We haven't fixed and as with everything else in about resistance is growing. Look, it's Bob way. Or I mean Yemen the disease is very very real very dangerous in a lot of places where sanitation is not up to snuff. So on that note, maybe is gonna tell us how she's gonna fix it. Like, so many diseases were were facing we've talked about especially 'Bacterial stuff. Our best methods are seemed to be starting to come apart at the same starting to fail as as one of our previous episodes. Dr got him dont taught us affectively bacteria has been around a hell of a lot longer than us. And it's a hell of a lot smarter than us and anything we've succeeded at seems to be the low hanging fruit that they've let us succeed at so Mimi talk to us again. Now, what exactly you're working on where it came from? And how this applies to the current situation show are so like you said cholera is transmitted through the water primarily it's in places that really don't have functioning water and sanitation infrastructure, but we're increasingly starting to recognize that forty percent of the cases are actually due to household transmission as while. So when someone in a house. Gets cholera, unfortunately because of the disease, it's spread everywhere. And the family members I immediately at risk. So basically there's this two day window after the first patient comes down with cholera that the family members actually start to experience color symptoms themselves, and what were specifically doing with our intervention in disrupting that transmission cycle. So what our pod act dies? It's faked base at eases pages that I specifically targeted towards the bacteria that causes cholera. And we want family members to take it when they're on the sick person comes down the caller symptoms. So that they can protect themselves with a net high risk window to take left one. I don't mean to interrupt there. So you're saying you the sick person takes or the family takes it preventative measure, the family takes a preventative matcher interesting. Yeah. So with any sort of diarrheal disease in Gola health, really the best solution is while rehydration salts math solution side, and regardless of what the ideology of that disease. Alas Willie is the way to go because it's cheap. It saves. A lot of lives, and you don't have to diagnose which bacterium caused it. And we're not using betas as a therapy for that reason. We don't think it's feasible acid therapy in this particular case, but at the intervention when family in the best case scenario when family members bringing their sick loved one into the clinic, it they came get our product and bring it back to the hassle to everyone in that household is protected also during this. Risk window, disrupt. The household transmission? And hopefully, disrupt community transmission as well. So it's working to protect everyone mmediately. So I'm gonna I'm gonna try to pick some questions out from in. There turned imagine this scenario little bit. So let's say Brian teddy, and I share a house small room. Like we are right now. Brian gets it. Well, maybe you got it. Let's go back. What is my first? Let's start again. Let's we try to go back to like outta make peanut butter jelly here. What is the what's Brian's first symptom? Heath Lena start by Ryan. No, it's fine. I'm used to it with cholera. What happens is that? Basically that that curium releases a toxin intestine all of the body's water is going to start flooding into the small intestine and come out how okay. So that's when my window. That's when my clock starts ticking. So how long is my window where your your your treatment is affected like how long do I have to go get that treatment before it doesn't count? Or is it just a decreasing level of effectiveness? Can you explain that a little bit partly two days? The studies have shown. Hey this price. It sounds days into. That's that's very white people troubles. In places where it's hard to get to healthcare clinics. We have two different model. Those people. But in the best case scenario where there is infrastructure for diarrheal diseases like in Bangladesh. For instance, there's this whole center on they really done a good job in trying to reduce number diarrheal disease deaths there he would go into the clinic with your with the person who's sick. And then ideally, we would give the product. So that during that today window that you came in you would be protected before experiencing the symptoms yourself. Interesting sort of backup good you say forty percent of people who get cholera getting get it. Get it from a family member or somebody close to them. That's the constantly. Yeah. It's a lot. It's on something that wasn't as recognized before. And even that forty percent. It's everyone in the global health field understands that surveillance is lacking data's lacking. Sure percent with a grain of salt, but it's still a huge percentage. And if we could really despite that transition, we could probably make a huge impact on the disease burden. Then how does it get transfer between people just in the air? Now, it's on. It's the oral fecal out. We'll be back here for reason. So unfortunately with Colorado because of the rapid nature of the disease. Your fluids are just gonna come rapidly your body. So there's a lot in that household that's being spied around. Unusually children are really affected by it. So if you ever try taking care of a child diarrhea, you know, it's not going to be sanitary, of course. So, unfortunately, that's how the family members are going to be exposed to it just by the sheer amount that's around. Okay. I just want to again, dial it back a little bit and build something eventually here. So there's no vaccine for cholera, right? The prevention is sanitation safe drinking water is that right? This box seen there's oil cholera vaccine that's been developed and actually is recommended by the deputy L, and that side of things has been interesting in terms that the way that style bed in case there will call her vaccine requires two doses in ministered by a health care worker and take the first dose and then a week later. You take the second dose, and they'll be clearer after that. That's when the early onset of protection really is. There are some studies that are trying to show that cassia just that single at the beginning and any case because back scenes depend on the immune system in order to not protection that protection not going to be fast enough within those two days where these family numbers, I really at risk. So that the niche that were trying to protect if best-case scenario. You have a family member. You get that seen the first on days here, you still have to wait. And by that time, it's too late. Is that is that vaccine that will vaccine out there that available or distributed? It is distributed. So interesting what was going on with a Maine's? Yeah. So I think in a lot of cases, we aren't proactive enough in global health. So. On the one scenario that could think of in recent years, where the cholera vaccine has really been given proactively is when the Kinga refugees went into Bangladesh onto the cough is our and the the diarrheal center mentioned previously in Dhaka Bangladesh. They the people they are really. Where had a lot of foresight in that they went to the WHO asks for the number of doses to prevent cholera in the refugee population to prevent an cholera outbreak from starting there. So that I think is an outlier in terms of how were usually responding to humanitarian crises like these. So if you look at Yemen, there's been a million cases Colorado already analysist in the last year, or so, and that's far surpassed the number of cases that happened in Haiti in seven years eight years on the caller apathetic broke out. So. Even though the oral caller vaccine is out there. Still a lot of logistical issues of supply and demand issues that need to be addressed. And of course, we're thinking about those for our product as well, how do we go about bypassing them? Or what can we do? At the beginning stations were fortunate enough to learn from the lessons from before. How can we make our product more easily distributed and more stable? How can we really get it to the population that need it the most without running into all of these complications? What form does your treatment? Take sounds like those. Choose the destroyer. I'm sorry again. We're just trying to paint a picture is it a pill is shut is it a patch. And so the animal models. We did it as a liquid formulation on that is subject to a lot of stability issues. So there's a lot of countries that have caller that are hot humid climates, so the coaching. It's not particularly functional shinning in these countries. So ideally, where working right now, I'm making it into a tablet formulation. So we it doesn't have to be stored up for degree celsius. So that if it gets laughed somewhere outside for a week. It's still stable the family members can still take it on. But that's something. We're working on right now. Did you have a shelf life can people just buy it ahead of time and not have to worry about that window fit? You know, you get sick. You just open medicine cabinet take the treatment. And you're good. No clinic. Yeah. Ideally, some there's a couple of issues that so with the caller vaccine. Gene on the shelf life for that having it's on the nineteenth years on behalf to be at four degrees celsius and the WHO stockpiles two million doses per year, which is not a lot. So in order to even be a pod to be distributed in that type of infrastructure. We have to have a shelf life of two years at least f-. Yes. Would if you can get it to be the pill. I think we could go for much longer at a hot and humid, like forty degrees celsius type of weather, and what's interesting then with your question of whether you can buy it before then it comes into how're pharmaceuticals moved around in global health like in a lot of countries, the informa- healthcare system is what people turn to they don't go to the clinic they go to someone local or they go to someone who has a lot of medicines. That are are normally highly regulated in the US antibiotics happens to be one of those things that is kinda just given out sometimes without any soy prescription. It's for us. Still trying to figure out how we can use that to our advantage is that we start off with the stage product and really start building up the space manufacturing distribution of actual community and ecosystem where is can be distributed like antibiotics so that if we have a stable stage, tablet, a can be given over the counter on. So that's something we're trying to work out and figure out what is the best way to actually get into the hands of the people in a safe manner. Geopolitically the biggest problem areas right now. Wait a start. I s I the places where it'll be hard to cholera prevention places that have war though, I mentioned Yemen, but the Democratic Republic of Congo actually has just like a steady state of high cholera cases because of what's going on there. And when people are dying it's really hard to say like, no, you can't use anti -biotics. No you like, they don't it. Doesn't matter to them the global trend antibiotic resistance, right? So hard to stay to them. No. I know you have this medicine in your hand that you believe that is going to work, but I don't want to take it. Or I don't want the government to distribute it a terms of navigating the how do we tell ministries of health? For instance, we need to start looking for other alternatives. Are you need to start distributing this other alternatives that we think is going to be successful? But there's no test case for right now navigating that and getting people to adopt to that I think is going to be quite difficult, especially in the face of civil war refugee camps. There is so much need. Recognize your your. I mean, you guys are just you're so far from this. You're just coming out of animal trials right now, which is great. But, you know, existing things like the vaccine, and such or or just. Treatments. Facing looking countries like him in which are just destroyed in so many ways how do they break down their efforts as opposed to maybe just trying to help somewhere that's a little bit easier? I or what like how do they approach a situation like that? How how is that being handled? I been talking to a few people about this for the oral cholera vaccine the way that it's distributed. It's really dependent on people on the ground organizations working on the ground so staff any local organization that really know the area on the content. You have to kind on them and trust in your local partners to distribute and understand all of the complications. That would come with that in that setting. And I would say that. We're still figuring out like the goal health committee is still figuring out obviously since cholera is still around. And it's been around like these that's the what? Or something. And you know, the best case is really during a whole infrastructure overhaul. But a lot of the government's simply don't have the money. Like if you look at Haiti for instance, new n when they finally admitted O R bad. All right. The colorado. I mean, would I just did not get a couple of years ago now, but oh my God. Yeah. And also, it has gone the number of people I talked to about this years later, and they don't know anything about it. They. Recap that super-quick until everybody would like you said it not being as big issue here. I think a lot of people just have no idea. Yeah. So quake struck Haiti in two thousand ten devastated the whole area. And then that meant a lot of service people were coming in to help out, and that's great. But as part of it when the UN workers from Nepal K men, unfortunately there wasn't enough screening. There wasn't enough training as to how human waste should be handled while they're in the country and someone had cholera and it went into the water the water because of the flooding in the area it just spread throughout the country. So quickly. Right now, it's kind of bad. So the caller pedantic is slowing down in Haiti not because there's been really any changes to the infrastructure the prevention impart because so many people in Haiti have gotten cholera. And survive that their immune to it. So one of the factors in the app idem exploring down is that previous exposure. It's so interesting because it is an effect an island, and it's so curious what that's going to do to the the survival rate there, and now collar stuck there like in the water and unless sanitation infrastructure that gets put in place for it. The people are going to continue to get cholera over the next generations that they haven't had exposure to it. So the UN finally owned up to the part that they played in it. It's hard like we do get angry. But we also have to understand that the global health community as a whole we have to make sure that we don't get twice that. We're not fighting each other because we all want to thing. So understandably the UN there was a lot going on. And I've never been in a situation where quake. Happened. And you have to be on the I'm sure there's a lot of issues that come along. But to really did backup. And a mid to it being their fault, and they committed money to helping with the infrastructure. I really haven't seen much come out of that and hauling infrastructure time, and it takes a lot of money, take your political, well and stuff like that. So that's what happened. Unfortunately, it's still going on. If you go down there. They're still call her at the still breaking out. It's been cycle. Yeah. Under new cycle. But that's the entire point of what we're trying to do here. Exact I should note as a brief like intermission to our majority American listeners again, we don't really have. Color here. I'm sure there's cases here and there, but we are not perfect. You might be pretty happy with your sanitation systems in your filters. But have a look at Flint Michigan look at our flooding or sea level rise. And that's just starting. You know, it just takes case to to come over here on a plane, and we're dealing with this too. I don't want to be a scaremonger. I never tried to be. But within thinking about how you and we're gonna work towards us. How you take action to help these folks infrastructure, and and wore wise, and how you vote where you donate your money reminder. These these things can come home, and we're we're facing a whole lot of interconnected threats that can bring these things to our doors to pretty quickly. So just you know. Don't do not on this one. Hey, it's Brian Quinton bathroom. I got a quick favor. 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All right. So you're moving past animal trials, that's very exciting. Congratulations. Thank you know, on the flip side of that. What sort of obstacles are you running into? Funding. The answer is so weird number one answer. Weird that that's always what people think are how have you been funded today? How did this whole shebang started? As Andy is at the university and the tenured professor, so he has nine eight grants. He also has a Howard Hughes Medical institute investigator. And that was that's like I really prestigious appointment where Howard Hughes Medical institution is a nonprofit that will select certain professors that are really making dances in science for humanity. And they'll give the millions of dollars. So Andy was one of those professors, and then I was coming in during his it's like five year appointments Saad coming into his second five-year appointment ASA grad student, so a lot of the money, including a fellow that I got from that same institution actually funded my Haiti trip on it a lot of my supplies and stuff. So that's the economic funding. And then right now, we're looking to move out of Tufts University, so we can have our own space, and we're just starting to to fundraising push now. So we have to be quite diverse in our portfolio as opposed to a lot of other biotech startups that are. Money making venture. So we're not going to be sees or angels. Really? Because I can't promise them at ten x return on something. How much human life interns? That just comes back to the fact that Louis, you know, Silicon Valley is focusing on an all the wrong fucking things. Exactly. So on we applied to a grant from NIH witches cynically for small businesses rela king at the Wellcome Trust. Hopefully, there is on grant money there. The welcome trust like similar to Gates Foundation in terms of on of health against Gola health is out in the UK. A lot of basic science research, it funds post docs, professors are global collaborations says like a whole bunch of stuff in its portfolio. But it's one of the biggest contributors to basic science. We search in the western world at least. Interesting though, the the funding, and the you know, what you're able to offer in return which sounds insane because which are offering to to fix one of the world's oldest bacteria focused diseases. And that's that's what they're getting in return. Which is. Yeah. Come on. Big return. I understand. But and you guys aren't a nonprofit, right? So people can't it's there, you know, these these institutional investors or or or angel investors VC's or whatever this this is not a charitable cause. Right. Right. So what we've decided recently is we were incorporated as like traditional. Where looking at converting until public benefits corporations? So that means our shareholders if we don't shoot the more commercial path to go down for our company. We can't be held liable for that we have a social mission. It's Bill Chen onto our charter. So that's what we're looking to convert to and the reason that we chose for profit is because. The small business grant of the fines that can go to small businesses. We wanted to take advantage of a lot of the funding available for biotech start-ups on alternately. We still are via tech start up just with a prioritization in global health. So we're trying to ride both world, basically. And it's been interesting because I'm not an intersection of not all may biology global health but business law, which is not usual. I feel like I'm trying to balance all of the community than figure out the best way forward for our organization as to how to take advantage of all the resources. It sounds like there's a lot of calculations or they're like, there's definitely trade off somewhere. Another like, you can't be a nonprofit or else you can't apply for the small business grants because the nonprofit is not a small business and yet at the same time, you can't promise ten x returns to somebody. Because it's at cetera. You really because this is not a drug or a treatment that that should be immensely. Profitable thing. Right. So then we have to start being creative. And there's been a lot of time spent on okay, maybe we should reach out to family offices. So high net worth individuals usually have someone manage their money, maybe touted them we can reach out to on Dacians. I give grants. I was thinking I don't have the network for this. That'd be great reaching out to people who are rich in the countries that have cholera because the US like you said, not many people know about it. They do it's thought of that disease that has been eliminated a lot of the world at let's say someone who grew up in India. Someone who grew up in politics grew up knowing about cholera, and if they have the funds for it. I wonder if they would be philanthropy about it and tribute while one of my strategies hasn't really panned out. I mean, look clearly you got to be pretty wide ranging inflexible. Good news is apparently lot of parts of America stopped vaccinating their children, so all of these diseases. It Americans will like, oh, that's dead. They're coming back, and we're being made more aware of them because fucking idiots think they're smarter than their doctors. Yeah. That's great. So maybe a big cholera outbreak will happen here. And then some rich people from here will help out perfect. All set up. Hey, I want to pause before we get to our our our action steps here and get a good emotional for second. Do you feel like now, you're on the right has personally, you mentioned, you didn't know exactly how to play yourself in this specific capacity looking where you are now. Trying to side how to focus your company, legally, funding wise, how to move into human trials the impact you can have and the difficulties the wide ranging and incredibly complex difficulties of distribution and war. Do you feel like you're going in the right direction? Mimi. Yeah. I could say for the first time they started the company I feel like everything's pouring together. So I incorporated with Andy and another co founder Lynn in two thousand sixteen in October. And it was right on the cusp of may finish not my PHD. I actually started a part time masters in public health degree program as well at Boston University at the same time part time part time master's degree. And also, I also wanna pause do say you finished your your. Yeah. Two years. And that incorporated in the same week. Have failed to address us doctor this whole time, which is great. I was just not good starting over. Start the whole fucking thing over. No as being called doctor is like a little weird. But you know, what? And maybe you don't feel this way. But I've I've got some some incredibly smart and hardworking lady doctorates in my family, and I think it's important for young people men and women to to know about young women's such as yourself that are that are that have gone through it and succeeded and hear the word doctor and have respects a big deal. I think it's important. Thank yeah. Sorry. No, no ways. I feel like I could talk off a about women Dacian whom that color presentation. Like a whole other. We're happy to run it back on the next time. Yeah. So anyways, you were saying that now you feel like please keep going. Yeah. It was a lot of hats to wear two years ago. And I kind of like I'll drowning and all of that. Because I didn't know anything about business. I didn't I was like trying to finish my degree, and it ultimately is incredibly helpful especially in my line of work. But it was December last year where I've gotten so many knows from people like all right? I have one year before student loans kick, right? I had to either get enough traction that I think it's worth it or to put it aside for now and think of something else. So in January of the year. I started pushing card on all fronts. To really get the name out band. It's overwhelming to go from two years of nose to finally some person being like, oh, I can help you out, and that's other founder eight ball and not fell. Awesome. Just having like someone else bounce ideas off of and then finally signing that on our had a business development and marketing like oh my God. I have a team like someone believed. And then since then we just went through a summer program at mass bio, which is this nonprofit in the Boston area that connects a lot of academics with the business of things to help them through. Because a lot of us don't really know how to exactly take something from the lab to the market getting into that program having twelve mentors that down focus on me for an hour each week that was something that I never measure. That I would ever have the privilege of doing. So it's been amazing. And all scary. Gotta faye. You're like nobody will help me the new like, wait. Why am I sitting in the middle of these two people, and they're all it's very quite the switch. Yeah. Exactly. And then the MIT tech review was I thought I was dreaming when I actually got on the list. So for my part, I'm very optimistic about how removing for there's a lot of generous people out there, but a willing to give expertise they're willing to buy time. And I think for my part I need to do a good job of lining all of this week sources so that they can be used effectively and efficiently to move forward. And that's been a hard lesson since I've always been kind of all the parties, but learning to manage learning to actually have workflow processes like all the product managers skills and stuff that I never thought I would need I really being. Put to the test right now. So I am very excited going forward. That's awesome. That is that is a hell of an answer and an candidate one. That will Brian is opening up is this your wallet? Yes. Considering donating? I gotta tell you though, maybe you offered to buy me. Avocado toast, like an hour and a half ago that didn't happen either. So don't fucking hold your breath and Quinn as is so generous that anytime, I even try or anything reach my wallet offer anything he always says. No, it's not my fault. Didn't do it. Okay. Wilson refuse. But this is a good segue. All right. So we've said we've mentioned before obviously cholera isn't a super prominent in the US anymore. But obviously, it is hellish nightmare in and so many other places technical term deal. I'm I'm technical. Yeah. So for medicine to sanitation to decision to war. It's a huge issue. What in our listeners do how can our listeners help support both your research and cholera prevention efforts of around the world, obviously money money helped you let's get specifically. Yeah. Where where should they be applying themselves? Let's let's start with you individual actions in. We wanted to talk about donating on. It's really that organization in a lot of work on the ground in terms of distribution. And that would be organizations like Doctors Without Borders. It would be Hyun Assaf there's Dhabi which is the vaccine alliance, and I would say partners in how does a lot of community health worker work that absolutely amazing, and they reach places that a lot of the clinic stunt reach so. Who are helping refugees who are helping the populations that don't normally have access even primary healthcare. Those are the places want to donate to because those are the ones who will be involved in the actual distribution of if whether it be handwashing services, or they're going to happen logistics on the infrastructure to set that up and then for funding basic research. There's a lot of nonprofits unless coach actually in Seattle migraines and the. I've never been by feel like I would love it. Goats green? It's pretty great. It'd be my soul city. There is the infectious diseases research institute, and that's the main one that you wanna look into donating. They do a lot of their nonprofit that their research institute that's looking to take translational drugs for TB malaria, all of the big hitters out there. What what do you feel like are the big actionable questions, we should be asking of our of our representatives? So, you know, we've gone from clicks, you can take with a mouse. But when someone uses a tool like five calls dot org or something or writes, a letter, however that works with pen and paper or something that injury. And and and is actually speaking to the Representative or they're out of town hall. You know, it again, it's a particularly not difficult, but almost out of left field one, which it shouldn't be because it, but it's because it's not here. You know, what should they be talking to the representatives about shy? And so. That's something that I struggle with because I'm I am very cholera focused with my global health training. Now, it really is strengthening infrastructure. It's looking at high may healthcare systems and building that up. It's putting distribution and stuff. And so instead of just talking about collar specifically, I would say there are policies that the US takes that affect global health on a wide scale. He last government is one of the biggest funders of global health services, and the biggest executive order that has made a huge impact since it was signed is the global gag order. I'm not sure he heard about it was signed in January two thousand seventeen I believe, and it's called also carbon ExCo city posse. I think that basically it is protecting. They say it's protecting life in global health. So any Healthcare's on her that as funded? US money that gives access to contraception and abortion services. They can't do that anymore. And. Not only maternal tout healthy, you is terrible. But also these healthcare clinics are not always the physically providing this. They're helping with HIV there helping with a ass and healthy diarrheal diseases. So they can lose half of their funding and try to do operations that way and try to do everything that they can all the other diseases half of their operational funding or they can reduce their abortion services contraceptive services, really have made a huge impact globally. It's Taylor guy. Gordon? So when people talk to their representatives about it, why people need to actually know that it happened for small and your back against it that same. Yeah. That's pretty concise. That is the exact thing. I don't think anybody has heard about if they did they've probably fucking forgotten because as I look at the window. There's just flames everywhere. Anyway, anyways, we we have we've kept you a little bit here. We cannot. Thank you enough for coming on today. Yeah. For sure. To be clear not outta here. Yet. Don't hold. I'm just thinking you. Who who else? Should we talk to Dr Yan other other world changers out there like you that we could sit down and chat with and it doesn't have to be people specifically in your field of work, but somebody who's kicking ass on cancer or trying to save the world from climate change or trying to send us to space any anything. You can always just Email this these to us later, but I think people like to hear names as well. But yeah, any ideas would be awesome. Welcome scientists back to of I would say the scientists who two three suddenly won the Nobel prize for her directed pollution of enzymes that Super Bowl from pharmaceutical and a trying to make cleaner industry. That's Dr fantas Arnold. If he can get her that would be. Awesome winner. That'd be great. Yeah. Sure. That sounds easy. Big deal. Oh, yeah. That's fine. Stars you now see what you come up perfect. Jerk. That's great. Thank you. If you do anymore. We'll we'll take any wrecks. Yeah. I will definitely Email. Thank you. All right. We have a little lightning round of questions for you. I one nine around question, but he showed up front. Hey me win was the first time in your life. When you realize you the power of change or the power to do something meaningful. Did you say this year? Yeah. Okay. An and I actually saw I called myself scientific officer for a very long time. I didn't think I had expertise or the experience to be CEO of a biotech startup global health start up whatever. And then I went to the MIT women's on conference, or I got selected to be among on people who could pitched there. And that's when I was like oh. I'm actually a bad thing that people recognize us. Good work on. I promoted myself. Awesome. Man deserved. So. Yeah. That was really the first time when I believed in myself, really because I thought I was assigned to though, I thought I would sign the shit out of it. And then other people would take it on Ryan. And actually some good with it. But this year is when I decide I would be the person to do something with that. Fuck you, man. So important that confidence strong alive. We we literally need. It hate me who is someone in your life. That has positively impacted your work in the past six months. It cannot be Brian. Tuck cancer, we know it's much appreciated. I don't have to say Andrew Camilli who is my PIN adviser. Now, my co-founder, I think it's very rare for a professor tenured professors specially to be so generous with his time his work really giving credit and career support to the people in his lab instead of just using them as minions. So without his support. I would definitely not be here today. Awesome. That's awesome. That's nice. What do you do when you feel overwhelmed with all this work, specifically, what's your what's your self care? God flaming hot Cheetos. Are you kidding me? Amazing all my friends now that once I go into a dark place, I need so many in this line. Things that can cause cholera. I have to say my microphone is a huge fan of flaming hot Cheetos that is her like, you know, one thing also and just punch myself up little bit here for her birthday. I got her a cake shaped like a bag of them. Chino? Pretty good. Thank didn't taste like them. Because I think they're Har Indus. But if that's your thing get it. Oh. On the west. I'm actually in LA right now on the weather. You guys have extra by me hot Cheetos, and that has been magical. What if necessary much extra flaming hot on just jet black key Mezan in that conference room? Hey, I got got the idea. Got to do extra. Should we just call it extra? Yeah. Extra twice as hot. I call them. My black label Cheetos because they've a good. To find these we're in LA too. They must be at my local seven eleven or whatever I'm gonna get them. Thank you for that, my girlfriend's very happy. All right, Brian bring it here we go. How you consume the news Stockton? That's changed over the past year. So as unsure everyone is trying to struggle with. How do you make sure that you're not pulled into this deep pit of despair? When you read the news. So I try to stay informed briefly, like the New York Times morning and evening, briefly ING, the daily scan short things and headlines when I really wanna dig into something I actually do my racer Tanner, go on Google and try to look for more articles of pinions about it. And I do try to make sure that I'm getting all perspective. So as angry as we are I am in the camp that we need to understand where everyone's coming from in order to actually the root of a problem. Like when you go into a negotiation, you think, okay? What is the other person bonding today? Why are they motivation for feeling the way they do wanting the things that they want and perhaps that not the solution that most people come? But for me, that's the perspective I need so that we can all come to the same pave. So I tried to make sure that not I know that chamber. Exists on social media that I am alley. Starring my readings of the news. I make sure to look at other perspectives small and not only do us. Also, how internationally how people right about if the US while because I think there's a lot to learn from other governments and other people out there. Why rational I know what? What are you talking about? You know, that's amazing. I'm so thankful that people like you that are at the road changing have that perspective and make those efforts because it really is absolutely necessary. Yeah. Imagine our world if there was a whole bunch of people felt like you be still everything is so much better. Emma, slow burners. So I ll. Probably get angry like two years down the line. About something that someone said previously. I try to be rational in the moment. So that it's not ask leading things beyond our control. Are you like that with jokes as well? Either person who gets in the elevator minute litters. Like fuck I hit a great show. No, no. I am pretty good on my jokes. No problems with the jokes. In two years for whatever you could just sit back, relax and cool down with the nice bag of extra hot flaming Cheetos. Gastrointestinal district. Really like feel. Now, we got one more quite well, not one more. But here's the next question. And this that we haven't even talked about this gentleman really today which has been testing, but if you could Amazon prime of one book to Donald Trump, what would that book be? I'm sure some people it's not beyond that. Oh, yeah. We may have just gotten that. Like, maybe not the last one. But the right. The previous pretty recently. Yeah. That's great. It's on the fifteenth anniversary coming out. So it's probably on people's minds. Okay. Yeah. Mountains beyond mountains with be a fantastic one. I think excellent. What do you feel like he could get from that most? Specifically perspective. I think privilege is not a bad thing. A lot of us have privileged. I have privileged understanding what to do with it. And have to use that to really advocate for people who don't have it. And now beyond mountains, you have this white doctor going in and you can argue that he might have God complex. He might have the white savior complex, and those issues that we definitely have to make sure that we're aware of and cognizant of when we go and help developing countries. But at least he still helping. Doing. So in a way that's entire in the local community and really relying on people to build themselves up in those communities as well. So he's easing his privilege to help others. And that's an important lesson for us. All I think not just Trump a lot of people in the US work in our listeners. Follow you on the internet. I. Don't do social media. Very often. I lurk and follow other people stalker. Where can they maybe follow your work or anything like that that we do have a website? It's poorly done at to do in welcomes two. Now that is WWW dot page. Pro Inc dot com, and I'll post press release once in a blue moon about stuff that we do. I need a higher like social media and turn or something but Jorg polity through that. Lable? What? Like, an empty promise. Again. Been great Dr Yan Mamie for sure. We can't thank you enough for for all that you're doing all that you're going to do Brian. And I were talking before he didn't buy me off a counter toast about how much we enjoy. I mean now every fucking damn have for you. I'm trying to say something how much we enjoy bringing on folks who are on the cusp of doing something really fantastical and world-beating mostly. So we can say we got there first. But right. So because it's so exciting, and and there's so much so much hope in your is still. The light has gone out. Yeah. It will. But you know, we're we're excited, and we just want to say thanks for taking the time to come on. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. Talking to you guys really fun to for my friends podcast. Awesome. 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Season 3 - Episode 15

They Walk Among Us

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Season 3 - Episode 15

"Support for they walk among us. His brought to you by ADT ADT canal design and install a smart time just for you backed by twenty four, seven protection. The new smart home is customizable to your lifestyle and make you feel safe for listening to this podcast. For instance, you can say neighborhood, watch service, an ADT will turn on outdoor lighting and make it look like your home. Even when you want ADT will set up your home with multiple smart devices and security features like video doorbells, cameras, locks and more visit ADT dot com. Forward slash smart to learn how ADT can design and install secure smart time just for you. Season three episode fifteen. They walk among us, put cans, dedicated to UK true crime. If you'd prefer to listen to our podcast a few days early without verge. She can for just three dollars a month head-on. Patriots dot com forward slash, they will come on us. This Nicole is advised is the Sepah side contains adult themes descriptions that some listeners might find distressing. The dream wedding dress hung on a door in our parents home. She had sped, no expense buying a two thousand pound gown today. September sixty thousand three was meant to be a big day to supposed to be getting ready instead. Debra Pemberton was waiting anxiously with plain clothes police for the phone to ring. Two thousand and one Deborah took two yen fell count ski while pursuing this shed interest in power by racing. They were an impressive couple yon in his early forties was a renowned respected psychiatrist and former u n peacekeeper. He was passionate about Powell by racing and even broke world records in the sport. Debra who was young than Yan in early thirties were doesn't accountant in central London. The head of of Debons a department store, they both own their own Himes yen's house in absence. Surrey endeavors flats was in polled said they divided that time both properties in Yan's boat, which was more that lime house base in marina in the east of London, their romance progress fast, and they go engaged. Femurs later, the announcement was featured in national health service magazine, a publication available within hospitals free for waiting. Patients will starve to read on their break. The magazine circulated insen Clements hospital where yen worked. Driving on the whites pulled on October twenty. Fifth, two thousand and two. Both Deborah's in Yan's mobile Fame's ring in the first quarter. Deborah, a male voice asked for her initials, and that was it. And he ran again in claimed tonight where she lived and then said, we are going to get you. Deborah found out someone had cooled, parents home a woman with a Mediterranean accent. Dimond did they tell Yan's address? Deborah cooled lodger in pole telling her secure rule. The doors takes came in, reciting Deborah's address of DM's textiles sounded with a message from an anonymous number more tax on bonded. Both of their fines with one message to Yan reading. You will never know how much feel few in the last four years. When they arrived in pull the couple reported the series of communications to the police Bill thirties were powerless to do anything at this point, but a log was kept the messages didn't stop. It was like to discover the number sending the messages in making the cools had been rerouted from a computer in Sweden, making on traceable Deborah was the recipient of more messages telling her to keep away from Yan. The unidentified woman knew the name of yen's boat untold Deborah, the boat was not for her. When the couple arrived back at the boat in London, three days later they found the lights inside on. They was sure they'd been turned off says in the harasser been a board. They reported the incident at lime house police station. It was recommended that the couple change mobile phone numbers. Deborah light said in an interview, we found the despite. Everything we didn't want to be beaten. If we changed our phones, we might never know who was behind it till the intimidation continued. Deborah was receiving up to ten threatening text messages daily, but was now just the female making contact with her. The couples, friends and family were also contacted with the colour asking for Yanan Deborah's dates of birth medical information, and they call registration the next physical incident occurred two days later. Again, the boat was the target, the gas on the stove had been turned on, but it wasn't take knighted. The boat was in a secure area of the lime house base in marina. People couldn't gain entry without first getting past Lachie operating the gate that day was Elizabeth mills. She recalled letting female into the area where the boats were moored is the woman claimed to have dinner date with Dr found counts, gay Elizabeth mills described the w-. Woman as having orange hair and a Mediterranean appearance. This incident was taken more seriously by police was filling the cabin with gas could have easily led to fight holidays. Lighten adventure. Yanga tech saying, Deborah would end up in loin house. Pulled a handwritten letter was then delivered to Jens house information that the couple any shed in private conversation was then relayed to them for further text messages. They plan to, we can get away to Belgium and kept that information to themselves. But a message came through that said, you come run away for the weekend. Deborah disgust, getting teeth twice. And when she was on the boat with the end later received a text message, the red Debra, Todd funds it whitening, her teeth of mouth could burn the pennant, desperately searched the boat for bugging devices, but I came up with nothing in January. Yan Deborah might a temporary move to a house that was not linked in any way to them low. Some comfort came from the safehouse. The harassment didn't stop the months passed, and it was relentless. The mystery person took delight in making the couple of wear that. She knew that routines biting details of their movements. Debra would often take the train to pull from Waterloo station for the weekend. It was cleared the store, canoe this and had been watching her. Some of the coils might even came from the cool books is in Waterloo station. Ninety life became a struggle. Debra said, even when she went to work, she would duck into Deutsche along the way. She felt like she was being followed. Debons wed. Deborah worked was in the middle of multi million pound takeover. AKU was made to the chief executive of the department store in which the cooler accused Deborah of leaking financial information to the press. The stalker also called the Celtics hotel in pole. The venue, Wei Yanan Deborah were to be married in a few months. She spiked to Sharon Mylan the chef following another incident where the cooler pretended to be Deborah asking to cancel the wedding. The couple setup apostle with the hotel to make any changes to the ceremony, the cools in text messages expanded to Deborah's friends and family and is the September wedding day to protest the threats intensified some of the messages threatening to win Deborah's life, read too. Two weeks left before gunman visit you. Six of the ninth Edite you will be burned down in your wedding. Dress and Funchal. Few taught. SAS man will send you to heaven. Two weeks from today, you'll be dead. Prepare your funeral. Note your wedding. One simply red UB dead jahns. Fine was also flooded with text messages in July. One read, please don't marry FD t. renewals which stood for fucking debutante. You can do better look at you. Your life is in danger. Give Pemberton's up. Now before we end to marina yacht will do well to bully you down. Further message received in September the month of the wedding. Read one last chance. Let Debbie talk go. You're going to make sure it will not be a wedding on six, nine, three, and another a few days later you had your loss chance. It's all in yes, man's hand on another council wedding gunman work has so tins gunning ready for big feast and finally die before the ceremony. Hope you spoke to drew council it or on ready gunman work, soultion gutting side hotel. What else can I ask for the chef of the Celtics hotel to texts that day? One of them said, please get Yan to cool off wedding. Six of the nine three many will be dead. If I go ahead. The venue had ready had threat saying that the culprit would poison the guests at the wedding. This time, the wedding had already been cold of the strain taking his total on the couple's relationship, but most of the guests and more importantly, the store Co. is convinced it was still going ahead as planned with authorities were hoping to catch the culprit, do police suspected that the stool would be pulled for the planned wedding day would make contact with victims that states have flat the night before the ceremony wall of is undeterred surveillance. The next morning she went to a parent's house under the pretense. She was getting married light about day police will ROY. The store can made a flurry of fine. Kohl's each one not being long enough to trace the cool to a specific fund books. Vol messages were sent from the unregistered address some threaten the lives of Yan's two children from a previous marriage. If the days nuptials went to head coups trains to boom from pole as the female stalker might her way to the venue. However, she slipped up on the cool to Deborah's flat. When she went off on a rant for too long, she was tracked and police were quick to capture her leaving the phone books where she had made numerous frantic colds after the one that trace to shed sixteen pounds of change left to make further calls. Finally, the police had someone in custody forty five year old, Maria markes. Support for they walk among us. He's brought to you by ADT. ADT can now design and install a smart time just for you backed by twenty four, seven protection. Their new smart time is customizable to your lifestyle and make you feel safe or listening to this podcast. For instance, you can say, lockup service and ADT were lock your doors, closed the guarantor, an arm your system ADT will set up your home with multiple smart devices and security features like video doorbells, cameras, locks and more visit ADT dot com. Forward slash smart to learn how ADT can design an installer secure smart home just for you. Remark as he was born in Argentina during nineteen sixty one. She emigrated to England when she was seventeen years old and found work on the cheese counter at Selfridge's a luxury department store in London. She claimed to have no knowledge of the calls all harassment. Does she admitted to being inborn Memphis? Well, as poor explaining, she got off at the room train station. The telephone number for the chef of the sultans hotel was found in her apartment which monk AC kept obsessively neat food tins stack the right way and book stacked in height order eerily. They found clippings and photographs of Yan, foul counts, gay. The passage in diary read for once something magical at one something stopped my heart at once. Something goes for me. The chef correctly identified her in a lineup. However, the description of the woman that gained entry to Yan's boat given by the gatekeeper at the lime house marina didn't accurately correlate Maria Markazi. She was described as having orange when Markazi have black when it came to picking out the visitor in the identity parade, Mark as e was bypassed, and someone else was chosen when Yan found out the name of the woman arrested, he was able to connect dots. Maria, mom. Casey was the partner of one of his clients of the hospital. The client, George, you had a history of psychiatric illness attended an appointment with Dr. Yan foul Kaos gave a half an hour every two to three months. Sometimes Maria Markazi accompanied him Georgia admitted himself as a voluntary inpatient sin Clements hospital from eight twenty seconds, June nineteenth, two thousand and two. The stalking of Yan. Deborah started in October of that year. They'd enjoyed eleven months of relentless harassment. A casualty of the strain was their relationship. A few weeks after Maria Markazi was arrested. The couple separated the doctor patient relationship between marinas pond, a neon hat to end Georgia's informed and Maria complained to Yan's bosses. For couple of months, everything was quiet. Yan was in a new relationship with Beth and Ansell who had met while boating. Bad news came on December eighth, two thousand three. When the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to progress with the charges against Maria Markazi according to court documents, no reason was provided, but some articles in the press ain't was due to lack of evidence just to suddenly as it had started before yon had threatening cool to his work incident was reported to the police December thirty. First Markazi traveled back down to pull. Even though Yan and Deborah separated. Deborah was still a target. A flat was broken into nothing was taken, but it was obviously staged to scare her. The windows had been opened letting in the winter, the light said. Been turned on and Deborah's belongings had been moved around worryingly police believe keys. It'd been used to win to the Heim. Deborah's health was suffering. She lost white. It was a point where she considered Taicang in life. Casey was arrested for a second time on my s- three weeks later on January twenty seconds. He found four. This time she turned the case against her on his head. She explained the doctor Yan found hausky at writer eighteen months ago. It happened during the period that her partner had admitted himself to sin Clemence hospital after she unwittingly digested drugs in drink. The doctor had given her supporter claims. She's admitted a pair of underwear which she wore on the day of the alleged attack. Dr. Yan foul cow ski was arrested and charged with ripe a charge. He categorically denied while the investigation was carried out, he had to cease work. It is private practice is job at the hospital was suspended and following company guidelines. He was not permitted to keep contact with his colleagues, many of which he had formed. Long, standing friendships with the underwear was tested for DNA. It was confirmed that Yan foul cow sqi was a match. Seventeen months rolled by, and it was just a month before the core case yen. Foul cow skis defense team submitted the underwear for further testing. The results also showed a partial DNA match. It belong to yen's girlfriend. Bethany Ansell. The couple were cooled. The rubbish bins outside of yen's home appeared to have been tampered with between main December two thousand three Yanan Bevan's relationship began in may two thousand three when he was still seeing Debra Pemberton, Maria MacKenzie claimed the rank happened in June two thousand and two almost the full year before the couple's started a relationship. There was no way Beth DNA should have been present. It was believed Maria, Mark, as he was the person who disrupted the bins while sifting through the contents of Yan's discarded rubbish amongst the refugees. She retrieved a condom that have been used by Yan and Bevan or it is possible. She. Could have recovered the condom from yen's workplace, Maria utilized her find 'em teeing the contents of the condom into a pair of underwear to support heraldic Gatien of ripe. She didn't realize that the partial match to Bethel's DNA was distributed at the same time making her evidence. Also downfall. The criminal for no evidence against doctor yen fell count ski. The charge of rape against him was dropped in August two thousand five before the case was taken to court. It was dropped on the advice of senior prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service lawyer case gutter. She told the standard newspaper about the persistence of Maria are Casey who wanted the case to be reinstated. Markazi started a harassment campaign against the lawyer who quipped to home with c. c. t. v. a. five proof letterbox more safety precautions or added by the CPS a bedroom door was reinforced. An a panic button was installed. So if an intruder had got into the home by the time they managed to get into the bedroom, the police would have arrived. Kenny Scudder felt these modifications to a home when necessary Mark as you're not only bombarded with telephone calls. She turned up at the Crown. Prosecution is headquarters Ludd gate hill in London. She hunts evade the uninvited guest leaving via the back entrance, though it direct physical attack wasn't the main fear. She believed my Casey. Was capable of an act like setting fire to her flat k. Scudder record an incident to the press. She said the day after I drop the case, the barrister representing Dr foul count ski, found blood over the front of his house in a red rose, didn't seem a coincidence. The DNA left at the scene did not match Maria Mark as the blood belong to another man, suspected of right. In the new developments, the stalking case was reopened. Marie among Casey was charged just under a year later on August second, two thousand and six. She appeared at the Crown Court in southern London with the four charges she faced to for harassment one for threats to kill an another. For perverting the course of Justice. The latter charge was for the phone, salvation of ripe. The first harassment charge was related to the persistent Tormenta Dr. Yan foul Kaos gay between October first, two thousand and two and September. Seventh, two thousand three. The second was the harassment of Debra Pemberton during the same period, the threats to kill chargers, put forth ju to the text messages Deborah received during the run-up to the planned wedding throughout the trial, Maria Markazi rejected the allegations. She did. Not dispute the cools and breaking into property took place, but she denied it was her that committed the x. offering no opinion on who it might have been working in defense of Maria Markazi. Peter Higginson defended his clients claims when he addressed Dr. Yan foul count sqi. He said, it remains my client's case that you stupefied her with the drug and ravished her. I suggest that you have within your own knowledge, the capacity to provide her with a cocktail of drugs. Yon found cows ski denied even being alone with Murray amok as easy. And he poked a hole in the defenses accusation by forming the burst that he did not, in fact have access to prescription drugs using the secrets affair that Yan started while still engaged to Debra Pemberton. As an example. Pizza Higginson said, the doctor's life was based on a complete tissue of lies and Cody. Yan foul cow ski a massive and complex liar. The doctor responded a regret, the wife. Turn down on now. It was very upsetting for Debra. Pemberton think things might have been very different if it had not been for the harassment. I never realized that somebody so evil would go to such a concerted effort to destroy my life. Is the verdict was read out an aggravated. Markazi spoke aloud interrupting the judge and said, did not commit this offence. You're on a, he's a rapist. Addressing Maria Mark acey, judge Joan price continued. This jury is deliberated for ten hours over three week case with evidence. They've heard. They found that between October two thousand and two and September two thousand and three terrorize miss Pemberton and Dr FAO cow sqi you got into their lives in the most extraordinary way and found out about their day to day distance. You even found out the miss Pemberton was having a teeth whitened and sent a text saying, mouth will burn. We've gone to the most extraordinary lengths of accusing him of ripe. And if it was not for DNA experts who established that the DNA found was from him and his girlfriend at the time that could have left him with a prison sentence, you have terrorized them. It is my Good Hope that something can be done fee. If not, you're going to prison for a very long time. Maria markes was found guilty. Sentencing was. Oh, spooned until psychiatric reports were obtained. The pre sentencing report found the Maria. Mark hazy was still fixated on Yan. FAO count sqi. It stated she continued to pose a great risks to him is partners. Anyone she wanted to form a relationship with or anyone. The got in her way report suggested time in a psychiatric facility was not the best course of action as they found Mark as he was not suffering from a psychiatric disorder, though planned for September, sentencing took place in January after markes actor legal team. On January nineteenth, two thousand and seven, Maria, Mark, as he was sentenced to nine years in prison was expected to serve a minimum of six before she would be considered for parole. In addition, she was ordered to pay both dunk to Yan file cows ski, and Debra Pemberton nine thousand pounds each. The total sum of her life savings. If the funds were not paid in three months, Mark, as he would face an additional year in prison, a lifetime restraining order was put in place to ban Maria markes from making contact with the end. Deborah Bethany, another people involved in the case, prosecuting barristers, prosecution lawyers, and members of the police, the Rin volved in the investigation. It also included the hospital where Yan plan to work in some of the yoting clubs where he socialized outside the core to Representative for the Crown. Prosecution Service said, Maria, Mark as a dangerous individual who wreaked. Havoc in the lies, though she singled out for victimize Asian. We are pleased with the sentence and believe it sends a message to those who would seek to x. Emily. Ski spike to report is after the verdict arrivals to the news Kapit YoM true. And as time went all as more and more worried because Casey things do go wrong, and someone's innocent people found guilty is is very worried and what was more than just walls. It wasn't a matter of being innocent as matter. My being innocent and her trying to make full tags ations receiving more unjust. Debra Pemberton was also interviewed of Barrett's her experience the way the answer telephone call and the little box that you take on if nation datasheets and life. My life has been changed incredibly expense, strong enough to pull through this with the help support my family and friends. And I would like to start again, today is day one. Appeal was followed by Alison levied QC on Maria markes behalf of the, she had dismissed defense team who have surely after the application for leave to appeal was filed. Alison levied QC was also dismissed by Markazi. You continue to supplement the submissions self. Alison Levick QC worked has an independent advisor to the court. During the appeal hearing the appeal stated that the charge of threats to kill was g -plicitly evidence presented regarding gasping left on the boat on the break in Deborah Pemberton's home should have been inadmissible as there wasn't enough proof that Maria Markazi was responsible. It was also submitted that the text messages sent to Yan FAO cow ski would not threatening, but the function it Maria, Mark, as he also sought leave to appeal her sentence. She believed it was passed on an incorrect, factual basis, and hoods to sentence was manifestly excessive. Listen, Levy's initial filing. She stated the Maria Markazi was never identified the lime house for Raina. Chew submitted. That wasn't enough evidence to show that Markazi was directly responsible for the burglary at Deborah Pemberton's property, and there was every likelihood she may have imagined it given the mental strain. She was under an outcome for the appeal was heard on February eleventh, two thousand the night. Whilst the appeal, judges Lord, Phillips Mr Justice, Royce, and Mr Justice Beatson agreed with the technicality of Alison levies multiple threats to kill argument. They cited a number of previous cases and went onto explain most of the threats in question were made in a lengthy series of text or other messages. Using similar phraseology there was no basis upon which the jury could possibly have distinguish one message from another. The issue before the jury was simply whether the appellant had been responsible for the series of messages. The judges also dismissed the submission that the overall sentence was inappropriate or manifestly excessive as each of the charges were extremely serious during October two thousand seven, a single judge had considered the application for leave to appeal labeled. Maria markes claims that the messages to Dr foul cow ski were affectionate as absurd. The three judges agreed and this was dismissed. A further submission was made boy Mark as easy as she felt the restoration order. The precludes her from visiting certain hospitals would likely result in financial hardship when she is released from prison. The judges highlighted that there was some very serious financial consequences for Yan foul Cousy as a result of the offence of which the compensation paid was only a small percentage. Maria, Mark, as he was told she could appeal to the court to have the order varied to enable a visit to a closer hospital. The judges also felt that were no grounds for which to change the compensation order. Maria markes is appeal was denied. So where are we now? It wasn't tiny. Yan FAO cow skis reputation that was in tatters after the accusation is legal. Bill came to one hundred, twenty thousand pounds need lost his private practice. After his harrowing experience, he said the victims of rape of rightly given on an imitator, but I strongly feel that should also be extended to the Houston to trial. In my case, this gave my Casey, the freedom to make a phone Sela again, then systematically use this to destroy my reputation by preaching the press mine, -ployees and organizations to do as much damage as possible. Jan receive some unexpected correspondence in the post. Often, the trial, a married couple. He did not want to be publicly named detailed their disturbing experience with Maria Mark as they became aware of what was happening to Debra and Yan. When the case went to trial was featured in the newspapers. Mark as he began to start the cockle in the early nineties, choose fixated with the mayo partner and targeted the female, harassing her work colleagues and friends by telling them the female victim worked as a sex worker. Markazi accused the mile of threatening her with a knife on the London underground. Choose bound to keep the peace twelve months of Bow Street magistrates court in London during February nineteen Ninety-two. This meant that she agreed not to engage in certain behaviors for those twelve months or she could face a fine. A record of this agreement was not kept on file the couple left London to start a new life in the north of England in nineteen Ninety-three. But the stalking continued nineteen ninety six month to terrifying incident where Markazi threatened to kidnap the couple's young baby. The police issued her with a warning for years later, she was bound to keep the peace for twelve months in the north. Of England in total the couple injured stalking and death threats for nine years in the letter to Yan. I said, they thought this would have been on our police record. Maria Mark as he had been bound over not convicted of a crime. So the information was not put on a national police database. Therefore, police investigating Yan foul cow ski and Deborah Pemberton's claims of stalking fan Bonk as e to have a clean record with no history of intimidating behavior. TV movie dramatization based on the Perez ordeal GB dead was made for itv's in two thousand nine Yang FAO cow ski was interviewed by the independent newspaper about the production, Maria markes involvement. A think she tried getting the production. Halted said she tried taking legal action against the producer. She's obviously unhappy that it's not her version of events, and they didn't offer her. A cameo party sound that was over sleet is appointing. Debra Pemberton moved to France after she separated from yen. She spied to a newspaper in two thousand and six in the interview. She said that Mark as he took away eleven months of my life destroyed a relationship between run a clear on one level. It did me a favor. If I had married Yan, it would have been a mistake and I would be divorced by now. I'm convinced now that he was the wrong man for me, it's live now. I have a completely new life and the new man with whom I love very much, but I'm a different person. I'm no longer. So I been with people. She met John the new man in life in France, and the couple were married in a small ceremony in two thousand and ten. Dope to Yan fell cow ski returned to work for the NHS and began to rebuild his reputation in Baffin, married and Yan's appearance in newspaper headlines since of been positive stories about his speedboat accomplishments referring to Mark as he told the Evening Standard in two thousand and seven, I think of is mad. Just chillingly evil. She's an incredibly devious, calculating liar, who is highly organized and intelligent. Was eligible for parole in two thousand twelve. We do not know where she is today. In the UK if you need to report an incident of stalking. Cool, one, zero one. If you are in danger, Doyle, knowing knowing nine. For further information, you can contact Paladin a national stalking advocacy service who provide former informed support advice and advocacy to high risk victims. Tha. Paladin service dot code or UK for more details. Possibly can be critical to keep a detailed log of stalking related incidents, including threats made through third parties. Phone calls, text messages and emails is this will help authorities build a case against those responsible. In addition, if you are in the UK wished to speak to someone on the phone, you can cool the national stalking, helpline run by the Susie Lampley trust the number two cold, Eze row, eight zero eight, eight zero two zero, three zero zero. Thank you for listening and special things to our patriot supporters for more information. Please visit. They walk among us podcast dot com. If you enjoyed the shy, please consider subscribing on podcasts, oil, favorite podcasts provider. One one. What's your emergency. Every sixty seconds. A person is murdered somewhere in the world. Would causes ordinary people to do think -able things. He stabbed me in my neck. Any look how easily I could kill you. 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Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

The Tip Off

05:39 min | 6 months ago

Introducing: The Immaculate Deception

"Hi folks something a bit different in your feed this week instead of an episode of the tip off. Treat yourself to a clip from the new podcast the immaculate deception from something else this gripping new series tells the true and shocking story of a fertility doctor who used his own sperm to inseminate his patients without them knowing presented by the fantastic Jenny. Clemen nine part series tells the story of facility Dr Yang Combat. Who had an amazing track record of helping? His patients get pregnant but the truth of how they became pregnant is dark and twisted one. I'm loving this series so far and there are new episodes coming out all the time. So take a listen to this clip from the show as Jenny sets out to uncover. Just how deep. The deception goes Let me introduce you to a new series from something else. I'm Jenny clemen. I'm a journalist and for the past few months. I've been trying to find out exactly what happened in the clinic of the renowned Dutch fertility. Doctor Yonker Bat after his clinic's doors closed for good. There were whispers that some of his patients had been given a kind of help that they didn't ask for as the babies conceived there became adults. They began to ask questions about where they came from. I'm will happen to their mothers at the clinic. Immaculate Deception is the story of a doctor who is determined to create life by any means possible. You're about to hear a preview of the Immaculate Deception. But before that make sure you subscribe on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you are listening now in twenty seventeen Joey Huffman and marsh. Elvis both received life changing news. I will hear from Joey who found out that he had been conceived at the doctor's clinic. I knew that there was something wrong. Joey was reading the headlines. About the clinic. He'd seen that. It was closed down in two thousand eight. He'd learned about the rumors the complaints in suspicions. About what went on inside it. I was quite emotional. Stressed tried to call my mom for a couple of times. What's she didn't answer the phone and they're among the news reports. Joey saw a photo of the doctor who ran the clinic. Dr Yan Combat. I knew this is something. Really absurd icon. Can't see his face I see myself. He needs the narrow face smile. Lines those unmistakable teeth at the same smell the same look in the ice so I sent a picture to France and it did not say anything and then they say. Is that you joey. He was the living image of the doctor. Meanwhile MARSHA got a call from an unknown number. I want at work and when I drove home from work. It's like a ten minute drive so it's nothing. I missed the call. It was from a social worker film the Dutch organization that helps adopted and Dona children find their biological families Martius. Dna had been in its database ever since that TV show. So I went in. My mother always said this was on Monday. Because my weather's always rushing my children and then my telephone during and I told my mother well. I don't want to answer this call in front of children. I'M GONNA go outside to to have a more quiet conversation and I asked a telephone and there was this really nice social worker from film and she said well. I have some news and actually have two kinds of news. Okay tell me a first of all we found eighteen of your half brothers and sisters so is wow eighteen. Hours bets allow lot. Wow Amazing. She's well after. Tell you something else because I think we know who to. Donor is an already a little bit chuck because It's really weird that they would find your donor and she said well yeah. We're quite positive like ninety nine percent. Sure that it's Looks at Quebec himself to sit for me? That was the immaculate deception. A new nine part series from something else search for the Immaculate Deception. Wherever you listen to your poed costs the Macula. Deception is out now to listen to the show. Just search for the Immaculate Deception in Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you listen we'll be having a little break hair at the tip off but more episodes will be coming out soon so make sure you're subscribed.

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Dr. Sophia Yen

Two Broads Talking Politics

25:03 min | 10 months ago

Dr. Sophia Yen

"Hi this is teddy in your will to Dr Sophia yet onto rods talking politics Eh Woah. Everyone this is Kelly to broaden talking politics which is part of the cast family of podcast and I am on with my co-host Sophie. Hey Sophie Hey Kelly and joining us. Today is Dr Sophia Yen. She is the CEO and Co founder of Pandya Health and also a clinical associate professor at Stanford heard. Hello Dr Yan. Hello and thank you for having me. Yes so we are excited to talk to you so maybe just to sort of frame the conversation if you could tell us a little bit about you and how you came to be founding and CEO of Pandya Health. Yeah so. I am a pediatrician. That specialize in teenagers so I did double the years of training just to specialize than what we call sex drugs rock and roll a little sports medicine in some acne and being a academic clinical associate professor at Stanford Hanford. I had to pick an area to choose but just my passion has always been women's rights reproductive rights and specifically birth control preventing unplanned pregnancy. The preventing sexually transmitted infections and more recently minute passion is. I'm all about hashtags has had a period optional and and letting anyone who bleeding one week out of four no that that is optional and we now have the technology turn that off and how much better would like be without without random blood one week out of four hitting you in random places at random times love it and How kings have become the CEO and Co founder of the only woman founded women lead? Dr Founded Dr Lead Birth Control troll delivery Company was I was giving a talk much doctors. Why don't those Pesky women and their birth control and one of the top reasons glove? We didn't have time to run to the pharmacy. Go get it and my friend and I were like. It's two women. We all saw this. We will ship it to him in and keep shipping it to them until hill. They tell us to stop. And then when we ran ads for free birth control delivery sixty percent of the women. That responded didn't have a prescription either expired fired or they never had one to begin with and I'm a doctor. I can write prescriptions so we added in a synchronous telemedicine where you just a lot of questionnaire. Same questions I'd ask you to came into my office. You know what medical problems you have given your blood clotting disorders with drugs have you tried like you know etcetera etcetera and Mana and Self reported blood pressure Selfie a government. Id to prove that you are who you are and then our doctor looked at it. If it looks good we write the prescription billet Tier Insurance and pharmacies and to your door set it and forget it what happened. Yeah health worries. And you don't have to so doing that. Because it's kind of culmination of my life's work. Is You know helping women make their lives better. So what type of control are available with Pandya health. Yeah so the beauty of Penny health is that we are a pharmacy so we carry all the birth control pills patches and ring. There's pretty much nothing that we don't carry. There may be a specific generic bran that we don't carry because our pharmacy doesn't have that contract. But I would say ninety nine point nine nine nine percent. We've got you covered. And we take all insurance except for Kaiser and we're working on Medicaid in different states cause some states deep have one medicaid for the whole state. So that's easy contract. But if they have is a California a different Medicaid for every single county then you have to deal with like fifty different counties and we are all about access so we want to get those medicaid contracts so we basically are services free if you have on an existing prescription at a pharmacy. You just tell us where that and we move it from that pharmacy to our pharmacy. We bill your insurance ship it to your door and then we also conclude a goody every month so sometimes it's height you very popular and now it's gotten colder. We're GONNA be chocolate which I'm excited about Gear Delis it's peppermint Bark as well as sea salt caramel and mint and then We also Provide information from other female founded founded female lead companies Were sending out some makeup By I think it's pocket pals. Forgive me forgetting the name wrong but it's you put it in your person so if you're an emergency emergency needed a little lipstick or Mascara or some rouge. It's already in there in this little pocket pal. I believe we've also given out. Feminist pins condemed Wyndhams a free subscription amid magazine a discount off of my friends vibrator the most Internet of things vibrator if you WANNA check that out lioness I mean company uh-huh so and all that is free The only thing you have to pay for is if you do need a doctor's appointment we absolutely prefer you use your doctor or your provider but if is not we WANNA make sure women have access and so in California and Florida and soon to be Texas and soon other states as soon as we get that going. It's twenty nine dollars once a year. Air To use our doctors reliability legal and all that and you have accessed relearn sixty four days to our passionate excited academics. And so as I'm listening to you say that this is all about making things easier for women I am struck by how many of the reproductive laws that we are seeing being passed around the country are seemingly designed to make life harder for women to make things Accessing healthcare harder to make things like making personal autonomous choices harder. What are ways that we could be? Better advocating four four laws. The that do exactly what you're talking about that make access to things easier instead of harder. That puts choices and decisions back in the hands of women doctors. Instead of lawmakers I think with the current administration and the current people that are in power in the Senate. It is dark times for anybody with a uterus and I don't understand the Republican Party when they say they want small government. They want to get into your bedroom into your uterus My favorite frayed my uterus my choice nor uterus your choice and this country it is about freedom of religion and even amongst the same religion Catholics for choice. They believe that you listen to your conscience and your connection with God what is through your conscience and what God wants you to do with your uterus And not from some outside force telling you what to do so I I love that attitude attitude and I love the diversity that this country represents and I don't think one religion should be pushing a view on another religion and I think that reproductive rights needs to be seen and as bodily autonomy and freedom of religion as equality. I if I'm not here to be your breathing cow how you know and if somebody rapes me that doesn't give him the right to my body and to grow whatever he wants to grow inside my body my body my choice oyster your body your choice so What our company does is unfortunately needed? I would love a world where our company isn't needed it though not for our investors but just that everyone had access all the time but we also bring birth control to wherever you have Internet in the mailbox. So it's about care convenience and more importantly confidentiality so you can't be slut shamed so that you have access people who live two hours away from the nearest clinic. Two hours away from the nearest pharmacy. People who worked two jobs and don't have time to run to the silly pharmacy. Go get their medication or even in Liberal California where I'm located gated you walk in the pharmacy. Your comes in after sees you there and then the Pharmacists Sophia your birth control and then your boss knows and and then everyone else behind. You knows nosy. Nancy then tells your entire village you know so I think this is the future for Medicine and from the policy side. What would help us is to One for the public. I don't think they realize this has come up. A Lot. Is these p. b. m.'s. Pharmacy benefits managers. If you guys haven't covered this before They are a monopoly and they control the mail order and brick and mortar pharmacies overseas. And they're squeezing out any possible new innovation competition but also the Independent Pharmacy They make people signed contracts that that make them lose money. which is crazy? Talk though when you signed a contract with CVS or care mark or something like that and you're a small independent pharmacy. They'll give you wolf. Oh for this drug. We'll give you ten dollars for this drug. We'll give you five dollars and some of them. You make money but some of them you lose money and I'm like how can they force they don't force worship take it or leave it but how can they even give you a contract wherein you lose money and and that's that's the sad part. We're seeing a ton of independent pharmacies. Die Why because of these monopolies and the government is not aware of them and I was on a call with the newest youngest congressman. And he's out there to reform reform pharmacy and he didn't know about pharmacy benefit managers and I was like. Oh please educate yourself and get people who know stuff right. So that's the other small matter. Week is telemedicine laws. So the question is what is defined telemedicine who is allowed to do Telemedicine tele-medicine and interstate licensing or physicians. So we answered this to take a national exam for the American Board of Pediatrics. The actress and I shouldn't be practicing pediatrics. Any different in California than in Florida Than Maine or whatever but I need to get licensed in all fifty fifty states or a big portion of it if I want to practice telemedicine and I'm happy to pay the fees if I have to but to fill out all these forms and and get certified by every state is absolutely ridiculous so we we need to reform that and then the other thing is whether or not Insurance Company wants to reimburse different types of telemedicine so ours is a store and forward method where you capture the information and then you Ford it. It isn't by phone isn't by video and we like that for the convenience and the confidentiality But some people consider that telemedicine some people say is explicitly not telemedicine. Some people say you can't prescribe unless you physically seen the patient but If you were to come into my office I wouldn't do anything anything differently. I would ask you these questions. I would check your blood pressure and medications so to make it invalid or not legal is decreasing people's IOS access to birth control and same thing going with specific laws against abortion pill. That's not my company but I have a lot of friends in that field and and they're facing specific log going after them. So as I was looking through this sort of process of how you get control with India It made me think about how it's a lot of it is sort of a formality and it made me wonder about sort of the ongoing. I'm going to be. It's over whether birth control should be a prescription medication or be available over the counter. And I've heard until recently it was mostly Asli People on the left. Who wanted to see it be available over the counter but recently there's been sort of pushed back on that Where people are saying well but then insurance companies could up not to cover it? So I'm wondering what you think about birth control as a prescription medication and whether how you think we can resolve that kind of dilemma. Yes I think. It's unfortunate that the Democrats and those who believe an access to birth control do not want it to go over the counter because they're they're afraid insurance won't cover it so the solution is not to not let it go over the counter. The solution to pass a law that you will cover it right and that is what has been done under the affordable care act any. FDA approved method of birth control for women have to be covered by insurance whether it's over the counter or prescription Only and Some insurances have some insurances or some companies have been opted out of it for religious institutions. Unfortunately we like Georgetown University or Jesuit colleges. Certainly you know Catholic church unfortunately might extend to Catholic. Hospital have opted out of covering birth control. And as I said it's fiscally stupid and morally wrong to not cover birth control because for every one dollar you spend on birth control troll you save six dollars in healthcare costs and that is not including Pre and post natal care and the effect on families lies. When you have an unplanned unwanted pregnancy it should be over the counter of the American College of Setris and Gynecology in two thousand twelve and two thousand sixteen and I believe again in two thousand nineteen hundred affirmed firmed? Did they believe birth control pills and consequently the patch and the ring are perfectly safe if you give women twenty questions which are the twenty questions we ask them on our website website. They are perfectly capable if they mark anything in the wrong column to realize this is not safe I will get a blood clot and I could die and so they will exclude blue bins where they've actually done research with our. They had a bunch of women take this quiz and St. How many of them got it wrong and decided to give birth control? They didn't give it to them. Just you know questionnaire are and all the women excluded themselves correctly from taking birth control. I would still like to see some physician guidance. Only for if you have Difficulties picking it or if you are obviously fit in any of the no categories then you need to see a provider to deal with that but I absolutely absolutely supported going over the counter and I think the solution is not to not get over the counter for fear of not insurance coverage but rather to mandate insurance coverage via the affordable care act and California has passed an extra law thing if the forcible character is reverse then these contraceptive rights and access are guaranteed that it will continue to be available with no co-pay no deductible as long as it's an FDA approved methods of birth control. And I believe probably five to ten other states have done similarly all the progressive states Washington Oregon Are often in well. Well it strikes me plenty of other over the counter medications. That people don't always exclude themselves from practically. Yes we always say that a tylenol. Aw is far more dangerous than a pack of emergency contraception then thing than a pack of pill. You can't do too much damage with one packet. So so what are the other things that we talk a lot about on. The podcast is a women's executive could have power. So we're we're talking on another series of episodes about the possibility of a woman president and one of the problems. People seem to have an envisioning joining a woman. President is that they don't envision women in executive roles at all We have very few comparatively very few women. CEO's for instance. So I'm wondering wondering if you could talk to to to that piece of what you do of being a CEO and a woman and and a doctor and an how that role in seeing women in those roles is so important. Yes I have heard the phrase and I I believe that Sally Ride. If you can't see it you can't be in certainly unle. Many of us have shattered. Glass ceiling entered areas where others have not been before and we definitely have our male allies and I am thankful for all those that our are allies but being a woman. CEO has absolutely opened my eyes to the continuing ceiling against against us. When I go and pitch I have all these negatives seen against me? I'm a woman I'm a mother. I'm a doctor. I'm over the age of forty five and I see vs all as benefits because I'm over forty five. I've got amazing connections and networks. Because I'm the mother I know how to multitask because I'm a doctor. I know the field inside and out and I will make sure that our customer gets the best care possible and and I think it's really important that we as consumers and we're going to start a movement it's going to be either called full and then female founded female lead our heart heart full and the glasses half full and the sky is at least half full or it's going to be while like growl women on women lead and and we're GonNa have a stamp of approval that says this company is women owned women lead women's founded because I don't know people arch checking when they look at the companies out there that this company is run by this run companies. Run by a guy. This companies run by a guy. Who's a lawyer just wants to make big money? This companies run by a woman who was passionate and just wants to prevent unplanned pregnancies and make woman's life easier and make the world a better place for her our two daughters. Which company do you WANNA patronize? And people are just like going for the cheapest possible option and we are. Prices are very competitive additive. But it may cost more because we have better doctors we have providers that are coming from. UCSF UCLA harbored These kinds of things and But it's a different the five dollars a year. You know or or a couple of dollars there but mainly I want people to look look at the company I'm choosing who is the founder who is the leader and ask for accountability if you own shares of stock look at how many boards awards have women on it and I am perpetually horrified and shocked whenever I get this vote on your stock thing that only one out of ten one out of twenty on t it is their woman representation there and what's beautiful being woman. CEO is that my daughters and those around them all know that so you can be a CEO. What really touched me with my daughter for Had John Wayne at her summer camp where you can dress up in June or July forget in and whatever costuming wanted and she's just us as a CEO so that was really. There's a picture of her. I always wear my Pandya. T T shirt a white skirt and I carry on bag and I was like do you want to carry the combat is like no mommy a dote but she had. She had the shirt that she had this skirt and I was talking to sleep. And she's like mom and giving them business cards hand them out semi camp Camp Counselor and I was like yes. They'll do the perfect target audience. Audience here takes them business cards. And so you know. I love that. She seeing this and knowing this and I love my husband for his support in my family and and everyone anyone out there and they're for anyone contemplating there is a huge community of support for you but it is a hard and long haul and I hope that women realize realized we have the money we have the power and weakened in power more. CEO's if you purposely look for a company run by woman and Support Court that if you have money to donate You can actually help. Fund female founded female lead companies through various organizations that just portfolio or impact acid. And you can actually do it through a nonprofit donation impact assets if you have a donor advised fund or if you just have money and and you can also just do it straight up with your money if you WanNa make money. But sometimes people like doing it through their non profit donations so I think it's really important to get more women. CEO's out there but also more women CEO's found funded and we need more women to invest. Women are really good at donating but they're not investing and we need you to invest in women. There's also she. EEO Give a shout out for them. And we're you know I believe the minimum vestments like a thousand dollars but there are other platforms where it's I think like Iceland women in like zero dot. Well you have to give something to invest in a woman founded did one in life company. Is there anything else that you wanted to make sure we talk about. Yes I just want If any real listeners WANNA learn more about turning off period and the safety and the science behind it to go to Pandya health dot com slash periods optional and on top is a nicely presented and find some safety on the bottom. Is My tech talk on the science and safety in the middle is if you're on the pill patch ring how to do it and also WanNa give a shout out there. We're GONNA have a black Friday cyber Monday special for those of you who want to check it out. We can deliver again to all fifty states and Lincoln Prescribe in California and Florida and soon to be tecos and soon the entire United States But always happy to answer any questions about periods about reproductive rights and One parole I always like to give Pearl is no that there are four types of emergency agency contraception and two out of the four are better than the one that most people know which is plan B or leaving gesture all generic and those two are the copper. IUD Is the most effective ninety nine point nine nine percent effective and the second most effective is the prescription only emergency contraception called Ella and because under the Care Act etc it should be available. No Co pay no deductible AKA free if you have insurance and that one is better at every time period and if your BMI twenty six or greater and I say you know my Bmi twenty-five and after Thanksgiving it's probably GonNa be twenty six no Don't be using plan. Be An generics. Ask Your providers prescription of L. A.. And have it on the side as they fire extinguisher anguish or just in case of emergencies. And when you get to ask your pharmacist for the one with the farthest expiration date after one expires today excellent will put it links up on our website and links to your youtube channel as well. Because I know you've answered lots of questions on there as well so we'll put links up for all of that. Thank you so much. I'm yeah always happy to chat about The horrible attack on Women's reproductive rights. But hopefully that will change everybody the vote and everybody who donate twenty twenty all right well excellent. Thank you so much for joining us and I'm sure that Hopefully everything will go great. And we'll get that our laws but if we have more attacks on women's reproductive health which we likely will maybe we'll check back in with you. Thank you so much for having me and I love what you guys are doing and I love women helping women all right thank you thank you. Thank you for listening into two bras talking politics. Part of the dim cast podcast network. Our theme song is called. Are you listening of the album elephant shaped trees by the band land and we're using it with permission of the band. Our logo and other original artwork is by matthew wetland and was created for use by this. podcast you can contact contact us at two broads talking politics at g mail dot com or on twitter or facebook at two brides talk you can find all of our episodes at two broads talking politics dot com or anywhere podcast found.

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Getting More For Our Healthcare Dollar with Jill Yegian, Founder at Yegian Health Insights, LLC

Outcomes Rocket

32:38 min | 10 months ago

Getting More For Our Healthcare Dollar with Jill Yegian, Founder at Yegian Health Insights, LLC

"Welcome back to the outcomes rocket saw Marquez. Here and have a privilege of hosting jill the again she launched Gigi and help nope insights in two thousand eighteen providing consulting services to clients in healthcare and philanthropy. Dr Yan has held leadership positions in a variety of health. Care Organizations in each. She has focused on applying expertise in health policy payment and delivery to problems and opportunities. Most recently she served served as vice president for public policy and strategic initiatives at Brown and Toland physicians a large independent Practice Association in the San Francisco Bay area area her background and PhD is in Health Services and policy analysis from the University of California Berkeley and prior to the work. That she's done on. She also served thirteen years with the California Healthcare Foundation where she worked to improve the California's financing and delivery system for healthcare. which is what we're GONNA be talking about today? We're GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS WE'RE GONNA be talking about rising costs and things that we could be doing and thinking about US healthcare leaders in making it better so with that I want to go ahead and open up the microphone to jail and really give you a warm welcome and thanks for joining us so glad you're here Jill thank you saw. It's great to be here. I really enjoy listening to your podcast. And I'm really happy to be a part of it. Oh awesome so glad you're here and and so you know one of the things that I love asking and I'm curious about is. What inspires you with your work in healthcare so so from my perspective it really? What gets me up in the morning is collaboration to improve outcomes and increased value? I just feel like there's so much opportunity to make the system work better for patients for practitioners for those who are paying. The bill will end for taxpayers to and that could be in terms of higher quality more access lower costs more equitable a better our patient or even provider experience lots of different aspects of improvement. That are possible in our current system. You know I've always been really really interested. In systems and interdisciplinary approaches to solving problems. Both undergraduate and graduate degrees are Interdisciplinary bringing bringing together economics. Political Science and sociology ought to inform US systems perspective. In so now. I have an opportunity to work at the intersection of delivery finance and in policy and I think that's really important because changing policy may not result in the change change on the ground for example changing expanding health insurance coverage won't create access to care if there aren't enough providers in a real community or if reimbursement is is too low so it's really important to think about a systems perspective that brings together different aspects to talk problem. Yeah I really think that's a great approach in a great way to think about this is you're right you know. If they increase access there might not be enough people in the delivery aspect but then there's the financial piece that I think a lot of people are are concerned about in this country A lot of employers a lot. Of the even policymakers right where we're very concerned about it. we'll touch on this folks so don't worry about. I'm curious from from your end Jill. What's the thing that's held you back in the past that you've conquered that's that's a great question so I would say that it's really most recent Related to starting again Health insights. I've been an employee for most of my life and the transition to having my own company. You really required taking some risks So there's a lot less security and predictability it's not always clear what next year is going to bring and sometimes even and next month Earlier in my career I would say I probably wasn't as comfortable with that level of of uncertainty and I also didn't have the the same level of confidence in my abilities and and I feel like all that is really come together at this point where I have a breadth of knowledge and experience Sayi- I have confidence? I'm comfortable with the uncertainty and the variety In this world is fabulous realized being able to work with a whole array of clients on a whole array of issues and and make contributions in an array of different areas. No that's That's a really great thing to to know and share. Joel I mean I know. A lot of people. Listening today. have had that challenge or are currently experiencing experiencing it and and so. What is it that got you to? To make the move. It was an array of different circumstances. that really lead to things falling into place. So I'm at a point in my career where I really have a pretty long checklists For what would really make me very excited about getting out of bed. And so the ability to make contribution is really a significant vacant part of that and the combination of flexibility autonomy variety And mission was best it was when in in the With creating my own company. So that's the path that I've taken and and I have really enjoyed. Yeah congratulations thank you so so in your journey Gel who's been a mentor. That's made a big impact in your life. What did they teach you know actually is pretty recent and related to the creation of my own business? I reached out to a handful of colleagues who are also independent consultants To ask for guidance on whether and how how to go out on my own and I have to say you saw that every one of them was very generous with advice and resources they met with me shared stories told me about the positive and also the negatives of independent consulting and really encouraged me to make that leap so they they sure things like Kirk templates referred me to their accountants and their attorneys Osama have invited me to join teams to Bid On work others have sent referrals for new clients So that's really been gratifying. And and inspiring in a lot of ways and I thought I would really miss the team aspect of being an executive And I've always loved building and leading teams but it turns out that I just have different different teams now. I have a team of of virtual team of of in my consultant network and then also ended up having a team at each Karan. And that's been a surprise in really rewarding. Wow that's great and and you know there there are quite a a few. I mean many consultant. listeners. To this I'm sure what you're seeing is resonating with them. They're not in their heads thinking. Yeah yeah go tale. Go Gel glad you did it. Welcome it's such a cool and very neat that you have felt the support and and and and love that and so today you're you must have a focus. So what do you think that biggest challenge in healthcare secure is that you're looking to tackle with your work. Great Austin saw I would have to land on on cost and affordability Healthcare costs at this point in in the US or over three and a half trillion dollars colors That's about three times what it was only twenty years ago and it's projected to hit six trillion in another ten years. There's so when you think about that. It's really a staggering sum. And it's a heavy burden for individuals and for taxpayers as well. You know the affordable affordable care act resulted in significant progress on on access to coverage some of which is now eroding Under the trump administration changes changes but it had a lot the ACA had much less impact on managing cost than it did on extending coverage so when employment sector we we concede benefit costs are crowding out employee salaries. You know people often think that their employers are paying for health benefits. But that's not actually true. Economists have shown pretty clearly that increases in employee compensation go to pay for increasing health benefits More so than higher salaries and that contributes to wait stagnation and on the public side. We can see that commitments to the health. Care Costs for retirees are major liabilities for city and county and even state budgets and there are other Issues that you you can see playing out in the national news these days as well the medical Medical debt and bankruptcy is a huge issue surprises. Medical billing feeling is has received major national attention lately With stories in the media about people arriving at emergency rooms sometimes even even unconscious and then receiving bills for tens of thousands of dollars because they received care from a doctor or hospital not in their insurance network. Work often without having any idea that's happening. There's actually a new series. CBS News is doing called medical price. Relax with journalists that clear. Health costs lost To bring some of those stories too late and And hopefully create change. Well it's it's definitely a problem and you know the the neat thing about how you look at things judge with your inner disciplinary approach. The systems approach coach Kind of helps you take a step back and thinking about how the you know one thing such as an increase freese toss really means in healthcare. Really means there. There's a a wage stagnation and what does that mean to the economy. You know we gotta be gotta you gotTa be thinking about these things and and so this challenge obviously is a big one. But what would you say holds us back from from overcoming the challenge and who's responsible to resolve this well. I think we're all responsible so all I think it's A. It's a multi pronged challenge. It's it's very Complex And we all have a role to play. You know when you think about it on a per capita level the That expending amount is about eleven thousand dollars annually so if we just pause for a moment and reflect on that that's eleven thousand dollars. There's for every man every woman every child and that's that's actually quite a lot of money and so from my perspective Lee. I love for us all to sort of get on the same page about. That's enough money like we should be able to provide great care and get great outcomes for that. Amount of money is about twice more than twice most other developed countries And they have better outcomes than we do on in some key areas like infant mortality. So the question really is what can we do differently to get more out of of the investment that we're making I've been to things that go ahead. Yeah well my my where my mind was going and it was because one of the big arguments is hey if you curb cost than your shrinking business right and so I liked that you went to look whoa. How can we get more from what we're already investing absolutely? Yes I think you know. We definitely definitely don't want to put the brakes on innovation and I think that something that people get concerned about But I also believe that we are capable of amazing innovation in this country and that innovation could be pointed at Getting more out of the healthcare dollar and and not just following this This past of ever increasing costs I think some of the things that factor into it. Because you were asking what hold hold us back It's a very complex problem insurance. All on its own makes all of us less concerned about price right. So that's a factor right And prices are hard to ascertain even when when you weren't interested in figuring out what they are. The prices tend to be very opaque In part because of insurance and in part because it is a characteristic that that makes it easier Often to obtain higher prices market consolidation. I think he's getting increasing attention the mergers of payers and providers that it can lead the market dominance and increased prices And then we have on the policy side also Created our own constraints so for example. Medicare's prohibition on negotiating for prescription drugs which is something that all the other countries or able to do but not here in in the US so there are many factors and many any other factors as well that contribute But I think if we all you know we can all figure out what our role to play is And contribute to creating that change. Yeah no I think it's a it's a great call to action and And like you said a big problem what would you give us as an example of you know. Maybe you've helped somebody overcome this challenge. in their own way right right. Because there's there's there's like you said a lot of different people involved a lot of organizations but every one of us can have our own way of tackling tackling. It gives us an example of what that looks like for anybody listening. I'm GonNa tell you a little bit follow about some work on. That's underway right now in California That I have the privilege of being involved in so last summer in two thousand Eighteen California passed legislation that charges the state office of Statewide Health Planning and development with developing a healthcare payments data system system okay and the legislative intent behind the system is essentially to collect information regarding the cost of care and aggregate that up from many different sources on in other states this type of system has been called and all claims database and there are around twenty states right now that have such a system in place and in California. The goal is really to gathered the data that would allow call for greater transparency and intern contribute to a more sustainable healthcare system more equitable access and higher quality. CARE so right now. We have a multistakeholder review committee which was defined in the legislation and his meeting monthly to work through these issues and make recommendations to the legislature. And I'm fortunate to be part of the team that is supporting The office of Statewide Health Planning and development. Don't which we call off pod in In doing this training work and we'll be submitting a report to the legislature by July. First I and to the legislature includes on having the database substantially completed by July of twenty twenty three so the goal is really stand up this database. He's that can sport analysis and Decision Making on topics that include cost and utilization quality coverage in access population health And the health system performance as well for example evaluating alternative payment models. So we'll give you one example of how one might Deploy it so in the prescription drug spending area. That's an area of increasing attention giving given the cost increases Over over the last number of years. And there's a potential to bring together in a database like this prescription drug utilization and spending data from pharmacies. He's with data from medical settings such as physician offices in hospitals and to create a complete picture of prescription drug spending in the state eight and that would in turn allow us to identify and address cost drivers to benchmark prescription drug costs monitor out of pocket costs for prescription drugs and investigate how costs affect health outcomes And then in turn to develop purchasing kissing strategies that narrow variation on and reduced prices so that's just one example in large on set of potential use cases for database like this and certainly California's policymakers are Impending that it it be deployed to bend the cost curve. Here yeah jail. That's really interesting and you know I'm not very familiar. With how government does you know with these types of benchmarks. So I don't even want to guess but you know I guess what would you read be on and how governments are doing it in general to use these types of Analyses to Ben cost curves or is is it just not really doing it all. What's your take on that well? So while the government in this in this he's Scenario and in these off air claims databases have been instrumental in creating the resource. It is definitely not restricted restricted. The use of the data is not Government specific on so all kinds. It's it is there each of the old airplanes. Airplanes databases has a process for accessing the data and criteria and and and access processes but researchers have made great use of it. I don't know whether you've seen there was a recent report that ran put out comparing bring hospital. Costs paid by employers to what that seems set of Hospital Utilization would cost lost in the Medicare space and came up with a finding that got quite a bit of press attention. It was employers paying multiple times. What what the same if they had been paying medicare prices and that relied in part on all pair claims databases so there are sort of policy relevant and industry relevant findings That are coming out from all All kinds of research venues. They've been published in health affairs in in lots of Different Arenas so the government has the potential to use the data to create government policy but industry can use it for benchmarking and decision making as well researchers can use data to evaluate for example aw abundant payment or reference pricing model all different payment arrangement and so they're array of different use cases. Wow okay that's interesting. Yeah my my thought was this. This was being built for the government's use but thanks for level setting. This is actually available to do. It's open obviously with its process to access it and requirements. Exactly in generally. What states do you have two different Categories of data one is aggregate de identify data. That is publicly available global. Obviously that has been stripped of all identifiers and tested to ensure that privacy is a one hundred percent protected and then a different pathway for the data that may have some identifiers associated with it and that halfway has lots of other safeguards guards in place. There's an application process. There is a review committee to review the application data use agreement And the reason that it it is in some cases available with some identifiers is because being able I. It's it's much more powerful in terms of what can be learned from the data so there's that balance of the research value of the data versus on the privacy protection but all of this Effort is subject. Subject very stringent privacy requirements. Got It. Thanks for sharing that GEL it. It's a great example and today you know I it's more than just words words folks. It's more than just talk it's happening. You know data and the use of technologies to clean the data and process. It is becoming a way of making insights to make healthcare better and so don't ignore it it's here and so Gels just given us a great example in the state of California with her work there If you had to summarize a solution for the listeners thinking Alan do something about about this. What does that plan? Look like. And what a common pitfall be that. They need to look out for. You know I you think so that people are in such different Roles in places I. It's hard to find something that would work for everyone but in general. UNROLL the way that I think about The solution it's really the whatever role that you're in To the extent anthem it's relevant take advantage of the opportunity to analyse whatever costs data. You have maybe if if you're in a whole Organization and a leadership role. You're actually paying premiums and you have an opportunity to look at the healthcare a healthcare cost data of your employees Maybe if you're a provider organization you have an opportunity to look at it from that perspective or or from a payer organization but really I think the three on generic steps that I think are valuable or to really take a look at those does help their cost data and identify where the pain points are and what promising opportunities might be and then to develop and implement a solution solution and then to evaluate the results. And either you know double down on something that looks promising. You know move towards repeating being it and scaling it or acknowledge that that perhaps was not a promising pathway And choose a different one. I think my hope for the hooker. Payments Database in California is that some of our Large public payers on such as calpers or state employees retirees system that provides coverage for about a million and a half Californians We'll find value in actionable bowl. Comparative data here seamless covered California are marketplace which covers over a million Californians In our department of Health Care Services Manages our Medicaid program we have thirteen million Californians covered by medical so to the extent we can pull together the data from across the state and make it available on a comparative basis. The potential for informed decision making on is really tremendous. And I'm optimistic. Wow that's great and so this is The project is has an output. That's doing July. You said the first. Yeah although it certainly those who are interested can follow along. California has great Open meeting laws and so the Review Committee. That's meeting monthly on this project on now has has a website with availability of all of the Awed agendas and minutes and so forth and then the legislative report will be handed off on not leader until I I love it. What a great Great Work Doc that you're up to their GEL and and promising for the thirteen million plus Californians and maybe beyond as you know benchmarking happens and you know people look for ways to make better decisions of data So let's let's get to the call action here. What would you say it is for for the listeners today? What's that called action? I I'd like to see all work together to address. Healthcare cost saw on whether that's measuring and reporting on total cost of care whether it's designing health benefits that reward providers there's for delivering efficient care for Rewarding consumers for choosing efficient providers that can move the dial as well In cost sharing hiring should be lower for care. That's cost effective We can reengineer care to remove possum. This system We can identify and eliminate low-value care. Tooting wisely is a on great example of that created by the American board of Internal Medicine in fundation and physician leaders in specialty societies identifying the services That from their own perspective has Are Low value. And can you know can be dispensed with and so they can teach their peers about died and disseminate that through the system. There is a significant potential for reducing overuse through physician leadership. There are lots of really exciting opportunities this And the question really is what's the one that's relevant Given where Where each person is operating in the system? It's a great call to Action and folks if you're you're listening obviously Or if you're listening are you listening. How about now? You're listening if you are not It's like you know jail gave us a really great great way to think about this. And and you just have to decide you know if you're Part of a large business or even a small business. You have healthcare costs. Most likely they're too high. And so you know ah look at the healthcare cost data that you're dealing with and find an area of improvement. Develop that solution around that problem and then evaluate your results. I mean Joe laid it out for us in a really easy way whether you're at a large enterprise or smaller one it's critical that you do it Because obviously you know the the the result is we keep getting the same over and over and that's not what we want. So what would you say is is the biggest cost of not moving forward with that callback bill. So back in the nineteen seventies president. Nixon talked about the extraordinary burden of healthcare costs on the American people on when he proposed his comprehensive health insurance plan but over the last last Forty years cost of discontinued to increase. I'm really concerned that if we see costs continue to increase at a similar rate for the next forty years we'll see very significant crowding out of other social investments. That are really critical to our country. You Know Education Public Safety Infrastructure Defense Healthcare is is going to suck all the air out of the room And in so I really hope we can get our arms around it. Yeah no IT'S A it's a great call out right because nothing. Nothing comes without a cost of something else else. Exactly right. We're made this quicker already suffering right. I mean schools are already suffering. You know month you see teachers on strike and you know it's a problem. Yeah yeah absolutely the problem. Well listen folks take take jails message to heart I know I am. I'm already thinking about a couple things to do. I got I got a little posted here jail L. and got a couple of months so appreciate hey it takes. It takes a village right and I know the the people that listen to this and are listening to your message. Joe Are thinking about ways they could do their part So Joe this. This has been incredible. I I I love. You could just share a closing thought with the listeners. And the best place they could continue the conversation with you absolutely saw you know I did. My my closing thought would be That we really all have a role to play in in in bending the cost curve and And I encourage everyone to to put their shoulder to the wheel. The best asked me to get in touch with me is Lincoln. I'm easy to find. They're not very many Jill and I'd love to hear from your listeners. Standing Ending Jail and folks take that call the action. Do your part and also reach out to Jill. If you found today's episode intriguing to Gel. Just I want to say thanks again for your time. It's been fun. Thank you saw appreciate the opportunity.

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Getting More For Our Healthcare Dollar with Jill Yegian, Founder at Yegian Health Insights, LLC

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Getting More For Our Healthcare Dollar with Jill Yegian, Founder at Yegian Health Insights, LLC

"Welcome back to the outcomes rocket saw Marquez here and the privilege of hosting Jill the again she launched Gigi and help insights in two thousand eighteen providing consulting services to clients and healthcare and philanthropy. Dr Yan has held leadership positions in a variety of health care organizations in each she has focused on applying expertise in health policy payment and delivery to problems and opportunities most recently she served as vice president for public policy and strategic initiatives at Brown and Toland physicians. A large independent practice association in the San Francisco Bay area her background and PhD is in health services and policy analysis from. The University of California Berkeley and prior to the work that she's done she also served thirteen years with the California Healthcare Foundation where she worked to improve the California's financing and delivery system for healthcare, which is what we're going to be talking about today. We're GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS WE'RE GONNA be talking about rising costs and things that we could be doing and thinking about US healthcare leaders and making it better. So with that, I want to go ahead and open up the microphone to jail and really give you a warm welcome and thanks for joining us so glad you're here Jill You saw it's great to be here. I really enjoy listening to your podcast and I'm really happy to be a part of it. Oh. Awesome. So glad you're here and and so you know one of the things that I love asking and I'm curious about is what inspires you. With your work in healthcare. So so from my perspective, it really what gets me up in the morning is collaboration to improve outcomes and increased value. I just feel like there's so much opportunity to make the system work better for patients for practitioners for those who are paying the bill and for taxpayers to, and that could be in terms of higher quality. More access lower costs more equitable, a better a patient or even provider experience lots of different aspects of improvement that are possible in our current system. You know, I've always been really interested in systems and interdisciplinary approaches to solving problems both undergraduate and graduate degrees are interdisciplinary bringing together economics political science and sociology ought to inform US systems perspective in. So now I have an opportunity to work. At the intersection of delivery finance and in policy and I think that's really important because changing policy may not result in the change on the ground. For example, changing expanding health insurance coverage won't create access to care if there aren't enough providers in a rural community or if reimbursement is is too low. So it's really important to think about a systems perspective that brings together different aspects to solve problems. Yeah I really think that's a great approach in a great way to think about this is you're right. You know if they increase access, there might not be enough people in the delivery aspect but then there's the financial piece that I think a lot of people are are concerned about in this country a lot of employers a lot of the even policymakers right where the concerned about it We'll touch on this folks. So don't worry about I'm curious from from your end Jill. What's the thing that's held you back in the past that you've conquered. That's a great question. So I would say that. It's really most recent related to starting again health insights. I've been an employee for most of my life and the transition to having my own company really required taking some risks So there's a lot less security and predictability. It's not always clear. What next year is going to bring and sometimes even next month earlier in my career I would say I probably wasn't as comfortable with that level of of uncertainty and I also didn't have the same level of confidence in my abilities and and I feel like all that is really come together at this point where I have a breadth of knowledge and experience I have confidence I'm comfortable with the uncertainty. And the variety in this world is fabulous being able to work with a whole array of clients on a whole array of issues and and make contributions in an array of different areas. No. That's A. that's a really great thing to share Joel I. Mean I know a lot of people listening today have had that. Challenge or are currently experiencing a and and so what is it? That got you to to make the move? It was an array of different circumstances that really lead to things falling into place. So I'm at a point in my career where I really have a pretty long checklists for what would really make me very excited about getting out of bed, and so the ability to make contribution is really a significant part of that and on the combination of flexibility autonomy variety and mission was best when in in the with creating my own company. So that's the path that I've taken and and I have really enjoyed. Congratulations. Thank you. So so in Your Journey, Gel been a mentor that's made a big impact in your life. What did they teach you? Know. Actually, is pretty recent and related to the creation of my own business. I reached out to a handful of colleagues who are also independent consultants to ask for guidance on whether and how to go out on my own, and I have to say you saw that every one of them was very generous with advice and resources they met with me shared stories told me about the positive and also the negatives of independent consulting. And really encouraged me to make that leap. So they shared things like Kirk templates referred me to their accountants and their attorneys. Osama have invited me to join teams to bid on work. Others have sent referrals for new clients So that's really been gratifying and and inspiring in a lot of ways and I thought I would really miss the team aspect of being an executive and always loved building and leading teams. But it turns out that I just have different teams. Now, I have a team of of virtual team of of in my consultant network and then also ended up having a team at each client. and. That's been a surprise in really rewarding. Wow. That's great. And and you know there there are quite a few I mean many. Consultant listeners to this I'm sure what you're seeing is resonating with them. They're not in their heads thinking yeah. Yeah. Go jail go GEL. Glad. You did it welcome. It's such a cool. And Very Neat that you have felt the support and and and and love that, and so today you're you must have a focus. So what do you think that biggest challenge in healthcare as that you're looking to tackle with your work? Great Austin saw. I would have to land on cost and affordability. healthcare costs at this point in in the US or over three and a half trillion dollars. that's about three times what it was only twenty years ago and it's projected to hit six trillion in another ten years. So when you think about that, it's really a staggering sum and it's a heavy burden for individuals and for taxpayers as well. You know the affordable Care Act resulted in significant progress on on access to coverage some of which is now eroding under the trump administration changes, but it had a lot. The ACA had much less impact on managing cost than it did on extending coverage. So when employment sector, we can see benefit costs are crowding out employee salaries. You know people often think that their employers are paying for health benefits. But that's not actually true. Economists have shown pretty clearly that increases in employee compensation go to pay for increasing health benefits more so than higher salaries and that contributes to. Wait stagnation. and. On the public side, we can see that commitment to health care costs for retirees or major liabilities for city and county and even state budgets, and there are other issues that you can see playing out in the national news these days as well. The medical medical debt and bankruptcy is a huge issue surprises medical billing is. Has received major national attention lately with stories in the media about people arriving at emergency rooms sometimes even unconscious and then receiving bills for tens of thousands of dollars because they received care from a doctor or hospital. Not In their insurance network often without having any idea that's happening. There's actually a new series that CBS news is doing called medical price relax with journalists that clear health costs to bring some of those stories too late and and hopefully create change. Well. It's definitely a problem and you know the the neat thing about how you look at things judge with your inner disciplinary approach, the systems approach. kind of helps you take a step back and thinking about how the you know one thing such as an increase costs really means. In healthcare really means there. There's a a wage stagnation and what does that mean to the economy we gotta be gotTa be thinking about these things and and so this challenge obviously is a big one. But what would you say holds? US. Back from from overcoming the challenge and WHO's responsible to. Resolve this. Responsible. So all I think it's a it's a multi pronged challenge. It's it's very complex And we all have a role to play you know. When you think about it on a per capita level, the that spending amount is about eleven thousand dollars annually. So if we just pause for a moment and reflect on that, that's eleven thousand dollars for every man woman every child and that's that's actually quite a lot of money and so from my perspective Lee. I'd love for us all to sort of get on the same page about that's enough money like we should be able to provide great care and get great outcomes for that amount of money. It's about twice more than twice most other developed countries and they have better outcomes than we do on some key areas like infant mortality. So the question really is. What can we do differently to get more out of the investment that we're making I've been to things that go ahead. Yeah Well, my my where my mind was going and is because one of the big arguments is hey, if you curb cost than your shrinking business right and so I liked that you went to look how can we get more from what we're already investing? Absolutely yes, I think you know we definitely don't want to put the brakes on innovation and I think that something that people get concerned about but I also believe that we are capable of amazing innovation in this country and that innovation could be pointed at getting more out of the healthcare dollar and and not just following this. this past of. Ever increasing costs I think some of the things that factor into it 'cause you were what hold. Hold us back It's a very complex problem. You know insurance all on its own makes all of us less concerned about price, right? So that's a factor right on. And prices are hard to ascertain even when when you are interested in figuring out what they are the prices tend to be very opaque in part because of insurance and in part because it is a characteristic that that makes it easier often to obtain higher. Market consolidation I think he's getting increasing attention the mergers of payers and providers that can lead the market dominance and increased prices. and then we have on the policy side. Also created our own constraints. So for example, Medicare's prohibition on negotiating for prescription drugs, which is something that all the other countries or able to do but not here in in the US. So there are many factors and many other factors as well that contribute but I think if we all you know. We can all figure out what our role to play is and contribute to creating that change yeah. No I think it's a it's a great call to action and and like you said a big problem, what would you give us as an example of? You know, maybe you've help somebody. Overcome this challenge in their own way right? Because there's there's there's like you said a lot of different. People involved a lot of organizations, but every one of us can have our own way of tackling and give us an example of what that looks like for anybody listening. I'm GonNa tell you a little bit follow about some work on that's underway right now in California that I have the privilege of being involved in. So summer in twenty twenty, eighteen California passed legislation that is the state. Office of Statewide Health Planning and development. With developing a healthcare payments data system. and. The legislative intent behind the system is essentially to collect information regarding the cost of care and aggregate that up from many different sources on in others states this type of system has been called and all claims database, and there are around twenty states right now that have such a system in place. and. In California, the goal is really to gathered the data that would allow for greater transparency and intern contribute to a more sustainable healthcare system, more equitable access and higher quality care. So wait now, we have a multistakeholder review committee which was defined in the legislation and his meeting monthly to work through these issues and make recommendations to the legislature. And I'm fortunate to be part of the team that is supporting, the office of Statewide Health Planning and development, which we call off pod. In in doing this planning work and we'll be submitting a report to the legislature by July first and to. The legislature includes on having the database substantially completed by July of twenty twenty three. So the goal is really stand up this database that can sport analysis and decision making on topics that include cost and utilization quality coverage in access population health and the health system performances well, for example, evaluating alternative payment models. So we'll give you one example of how one might Deploy it. So in the prescription drug spending area, that's an area of increasing attention giving given the cost increases over the last number of years, and there's a potential to bring together in a database like this prescription drug utilization and spending data from pharmacies with data from medical settings, such as physician offices in hospitals, and to create a complete picture of prescription drug spending in the state, and that would in turn allow us to identify and address cost drivers to benchmark prescription drug costs monitor out of pocket costs for prescription drugs. And Investigate How Costs Affect Health Outcomes and then in turn to develop purchasing strategies that narrow variation on and reduced prices so that's just one example in large on set of potential use cases for database like this, and certainly California's policymakers are impending that it be deployed to bend cost curve here. Yeah Jill that's really interesting and you know I'm not very familiar with how government does you know with these types of benchmarks? So I don't even want to guess, but you know I guess what would you read be on how governments are doing? In general to use these types of analyses to Ben, cost curves or is it just not really doing it all? What's your take on that? Well So while the government in this in this scenario and in these off claims, databases have been instrumental in creating the resource it is definitely not restricted. The use of the data is not government specific on. So all kinds it's it is there each of the old pair claims databases has a process for accessing the data and criteria and and and access processes but researchers have made great use of it. I don't know whether you've seen there was a recent report that ran put out comparing hospital costs paid by employers to what that scenes set of Hospital utilization would cost in the Medicare space and came up with a finding that got quite a bit of press attention. It was employers paying multiple times what the same pray if they had been paying medicare prices and that relied in part on all pair claims databases. So there are sort of policy relevant and industry relevant findings that are coming out from all all kinds of research venues they've been published in health affairs in in lots of different arenas. So the government has the potential to use the data to create government policy but industry. Can Use it for benchmarking and decision making as well researchers can use data to evaluate For example, you know abundant payment or reference pricing model, all different payment arrangement and so there array of different use cases. Wow. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. My my thought was this. This was being built for the government's use, but thanks for level setting. This is actually available to its open obviously with its process to access it and requirements. Exactly in generally what states do have two different categories of data. One is aggregate de identify data that is publicly available. Obviously, that has been stripped of all identifiers and tested to ensure that privacy is a one hundred percent. protected and then a different pathway for the data that may have some identifiers associated with it, and that halfway has lots of other safeguards in place there's an application process. There is a review committee to review the application data use agreement and the reason that it is in some cases available with some identifiers is because being able I. It's it's much more powerful in terms of what can be learned from the data. So there's that balance of the research value of the data vs on the privacy protection but all of this effort is subject, very stringent privacy requirements. Got It. Thanks for sharing that GEL it. It's a great example and today. You know I it's more than just words folks. It's more than just talk. It's. You know data and the use of technologies to clean the data and process. It is becoming a way of making insights to make healthcare better and so don't ignore it. It's here and so gels just given us a great example in the state of California with her work there I if you had to summarize a solution for the listeners thinking Alan, do something about this, what does that plan look like and would a common pitfall be that they need to look out for? You know I think so the people are in such different roles in places I. It's hard to find something that would work for everyone, but in general the way that I think about The solution it's really the whatever role that you're in to the extent that it's relevant take advantage of the opportunity to analyse whatever costs data you have. Maybe if you're in a health organization and in a leadership role, you're actually paying premiums and you have an opportunity to look at the healthcare healthcare costs data of your employees Maybe if you're a provider organization, you have an opportunity to look at it from that perspective from a payer organization but really I think the three on generic steps that I. Think are valuable or to really take a look at those hope their cost data and identify where the pain points are and what promising opportunities might be, and then to develop and implement a solution, and then to evaluate the results and either you know double down on something that looks promising. You know move towards repeating it and scaling it or acknowledge that that perhaps was not a promising pathway and choose a different one I think my hope for the hooker payments database in California is that some of our Large public payers on such as calpers or state employees retirees system that provides coverage for about a million and a half Californians. We'll find value in actionable comparative data here same with covered California or marketplace, which covers over a million Californians in our department. Of Health. Care Services Manages our Medicaid program. We have thirteen million Californians covered by medical. So to the extent, we can pull together the data from across the state and make it available on a comparative basis. The potential for informed decision making on is really tremendous and I'm optimistic. Well, that's great and so this is The project is has an output that's doing July you said. The first. Yeah. Although it certainly those who are interested can. Follow along California has great open meeting laws and so the review. Committee that's meeting monthly on this project on now has has a website with availability of all of the agendas and minutes and so forth, and then the legislative report will be handed off on not leader until I I love it what a great great work you're up to their gel and and promising for the thirteen million plus Californians and maybe beyond as you know benchmarking happens and you know people look for ways to make better decisions of Data A. So let's let's get to the call action here. What would you say it is for the listeners today what's that called action? I I'd like to see us all work together. To address healthcare costs saw on whether that's measuring and reporting on total cost of care whether it's designing health benefits that reward providers for delivering efficient care for rewarding consumers for choosing efficient providers that can move the dial as well. in cost sharing should be lower for care. That's cost effective We can reengineer care to remove possum this system we can identify and eliminate low-value care tooting wisely is a on great example of that created by the American Board of Internal Medicine Foundation and his physician leaders in specialty societies identifying the services that from their own perspective has or low value, and can you know can be dispensed with and so they can teach their peers about that and disseminate that through the system. There is a significant potential for reducing overuse through physician leadership. There are lots of really exciting opportunities and the question really is, what's the one that's relevant given where where each person is operating in the system It's a great call to Action and folks if you're you're listening obviously or if you're listening, are you listening how about now you're listening? If you are not it's like you know jail gave us a really great great way to think about this and and you just have to decide you know if you're part of a large business or even a small business, you have healthcare costs most likely they're too high and so you know look at the healthcare costs data that you're dealing with and find an area of improvement develop that solution around. That problem and then evaluate your results I mean Joe laid it out for us in a really easy way whether you're at a large enterprise or smaller one. It's critical that you do it because obviously you know the the result is we keep getting the same over and over, and that's not what we want. So what would you say is is the biggest cost of not moving forward with that callback Joe? So. Back, in the nineteen seventies, President Nixon talked about the extraordinary burden of healthcare costs on the American people. On when he proposed his comprehensive health insurance plan but over the last. Forty years cost of discontinued to increase. I'm really concerned that if we see costs continue to increase at a similar rate for the next forty years. feel very significant crowding out of other social investments that are really critical. To our country you know education public safety infrastructure defense Healthcare is is going to suck all the air out of the room and so I really hope we can get our arms around it. Yeah. No it's a, it's a great call out right because nothing nothing comes without a cost of something else. Exactly. Right. We're made this quicker already suffering. Right, I mean schools are already suffering. You know month you see teachers on strike and you know. It's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. The problem well listen folks. Take take jails message to heart I know I. Am I'm already thinking about a couple things to do I got. I. Got a little posted here jail. And Got A. So appreciate. Hey it takes it takes a village right and I know the people listening. To this and are listening to your message joe are thinking about ways they could do their part So Joe, this has been incredible I. I I love you could just share a closing thought with the listeners and the best place they could continue the conversation with you. Absolutely saw you know I didn't my my closing thought would be that we really all have a role to play in in bending the cost curve and and I encourage everyone to. To. Put their shoulder to the wheel. The best way to get in touch with me is Lincoln I'm easy to find. There are not very many Jill. And I'd love to hear from your listeners. Standing Jail and folks take that call the action, do your part and also reach out. Jill. If you found today's episode intriguing to Gel, just want to say thanks again for your time it's been fun. Thank you saw appreciate the opportunity.

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3: The Last Interview

The Immaculate Deception

32:55 min | 6 months ago

3: The Last Interview

"Last Time on the Immaculate Deception Joey Hoof men went to confront dot yonker bat at his clinic and that was like five hundred meters where I had my gm really. Yeah so you had been so. Close all the time yeah. He suspected that the fertility doctor who treated his mother might also be his father. He turned up a combats gates looking for answers and when he rang. The Bell. Rita doctor's wife onset I said could speak to the doctor. If you could come back another time then we can give you a tour here. No problem two days later. Joey heard the news that Yan car bat was dead. We now know that Joey is living proof of one of Europe's biggest medical frauds combat used his own sperm to father at least sixty children without their mother's knowledge or consent. None of the people can see through. His deception will ever be able to ask combat why he did what he did and neither will. I. I can't meet him face to face to see if he's a doctor who wanted results any costs an opportunist. He got rich taking shortcuts or a narcissist. I think he is a God complex. But that is someone who did get challenge anchor bat right at the end of his life twenty sixteen. The journalist Camille ballot rang. The doctors. Do about and once again retains answer it. After a few minutes she led me in. I was just waiting there. And she went inside Eskin Yonker but if he wants to talk to me like really reluctantly she was like sort of insisting not too happy of course combat gave Camille his last ever in depth interview. Says those sisters came today? Six thousand people are living in the Netherlands. Because of US I'm Jenny clean and from something else. This is the Immaculate Deception episode. Three the last interview. There's I was just wondering if I if I would have problem like ask word in the English. We Can. We can ya. Camille is a Polish journalist but he specializes in reporting Dutch stories he was in Rotterdam while we were in town so he came to meet us. Our Hotel Steve. Kerr of the story of Camille and combat begins long before they met by the time. Camille summoned the courage during the doctors. Doorbell he had already spent two years researching every detail of combats life and the more he looked the more. He saw combat everywhere. I remember that I went to buy bread. The Bakery was established in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven and I just saw it and I was like. Oh that's corvettes. Birth Year. Everything was everything dairies. Even like a final mattress stub in Warsaw in Poland called combat. It which sounds sort of like car body and I was like were sufficient officially obsessed Camille. I came across the doctor's name in twenty fourteen when he was sitting in the cafe where he likes to work hunting around for new story ideas. I had this Routine AF- reading Dodgson Flemish newspapers. And something caught his eye a piece of very bad journalism. The title of the article was spur. May Fiesta Spun Mafia. They sat there was this sperm bank and thinks swearing as they as they were believed to be. I got hold of the article. Camille was telling me about from a Belgian supermarket tabloid cooled humour. The headline might be trashy but the details are popping. It was quite a story described private fertility clinic just outside. Rotterdam had used dodgy medical practices the administration was a shambles. And it said the tanks were frozen. Sperm was stalled when leak but the most shocking detail to emerge from the clinic. At that time was the story of one donor who spun had been used time and again over decades. The biggest story was around. Louis we met Louis in the last episode. He was one of combat. Most prolific sperm donors. A man determined to make his mark on the gene pool. He's now known to have fathered. At least seventy children have overshirt the grandchildren so for the moment I have one hundred descendants succeeded. Oh yes he must be to a former patients at the clinic. Who'd been told? Her donor was married with two children and had a high-powered job at a bank. When kids grew up in such for their impressive father they discovered Louis. The magazine spoke to other women who had also been given the wrong information about that donors. The clinic sounded utterly chaotic. Camille went on to write a book called all Louise Children. Which focused on Louis the super donor and the donor children who now exist because of him but while he was researching it. He became fascinated by the doctor. Who allowed it to happen? There was this man behind it who to be a responsible doctor. Camille had of the racist appetite for anything he could find on Dr. Yan Combat he read his PhD thesis cover to cover he even devout obscure articles about and written for medical journals including one on how remote communities in South America will being attacked by vampire bats and what was it about combat the fascinated you that made you want to start researching him. I mean it's a pretty fascinating. I see two twenty two investigative deep. I had this idea of villain from movies from Children's book or something like that I was like I had this weird figure of the guy in my mind. I really wanted to confront him. 2016 Camille was armed with an offer. Search the time had come to preach doctor himself and I was really scared I was like I know a little bit too much about this guy. The humor article had made combat notorious. He was all over the news. Alongside allegations of questionable medical practices terrible record keeping and broken promises. Some of the coverage from that time is pretty sensational. One headline says five hundred women pregnant by men who should never have been donors and another one. Wait a minute I'll get you some fresh sperm combat didn't seem to be giving interviews. That was the old statements here and there were. He admitted to administrative errors. But nothing more. I was very stressed. I didn't really know what to what to say to convince came. I felt like okay. But what if it's not going to happen? What if he would never let me in and I have so many questions? Camille made three separate trips to the clinic at Barron trashed. Khobar had worked and still lived that bright yellow building with the metal stock on the reef twice went home without even ringing the Bell. I was pressing. Bhai for like the fourth time or whatever and I and I saw darker bat just like Joey. Camille found his path to the doctor blocked by combats wife. Rita told Camille that. Combat wasn't talking to journalists anymore and I was like I travel all the way from Poland. Please and she was like yeah. Come back in the afternoon or something and I came back and after a few minutes she led me and we went together to the main entrance. Dr And I was just waiting there. She went inside. `Skin Yonker Bite. If he wants to talk to me like really reluctantly. She was like sort of insisting not tube but he was like so happy it was like. Oh of course. Yeah so like what was going on that you think she was trying to protect him. Yeah I mean. I'm pretty sure that she just knew him. And she knew that he's GonNa tell me something that She would find appropriate. So what happened. You went in and you so him when I entered. I heard surfing. Usa by the Beach Boys. He offered wine but I was like no. It's hit it drink wine. By the way I stick through the looked like like an old man. He had this very deep voice like Strong regional accent. He had this machine. It helped him because he's had like that My muscles done listen to me anymore so I need this. Did he look very frail? I think a totally new that you know every week could be his last week now. What I have to do is to Ricard. Produced met again go litigation. Camille ballot had made it through the clinic gates past car bats wife Hamas now. Drinking tea with Dr. This was his chance to finally put questions directly to combat. How many children were conceived per donor in his clinic? Did he care about the identity? Struggles of the Children. He helped create and would he admit to using his own sperm. How would call even begin to justify himself combat and Camille one to loan during the interview? Reoccur Bat. She was woken in and out the whole time as well as being his wife. Rita had also been combats assistant at the clinic. I had the impression that she really didn't want me to be there but he insisted the first question was like. How did you start? What did he say he said that at after the medical school there were no job opportunities in the Netherlands so because he already a family they moved to Surinam Suriname small country covered by rainforest on the northeast coast of South America. Combat would have moved there in the Nineteen Fifties. It was a Dutch colony. At the time. There was this big need of Dutch doctors in Surinam. Combat was an army doctor based in the capital Paramaribo with his young family he told Camille that was where his career infertility medicine began with a knock on his front door. One day they were due to really poor women. They knocked at my door and asked me to occur bats. My husband is infertile. Please help me. Why would they knock on his too? I mean he was from the Netherlands and he was a doctor. I don't know Dr helped me. My man is infertile. We wanted to have children and he was like I had this chauffeur. He had blue eyes. He was black. That's not very typical hills. Slag sort of magical guy is awesome and then the other day Dr Khor Bats while Driving Fru Pot Murray Bowen Surinam and he asked the chauffeur. I have a request for you and chauffeur reply it. What's DAD's Kerr bad? I'm ready to help and combat sat. I need your sperm back big. Not so his first artificial insemination laws using the sperm of his driver in Surinam. His again insert yet he He told me that for some years a lot of women in bottom audible and other cities with a visit him of having made alighted they'd come to his ring his bell ignore an ultra his help. He told Camille the fifteen years he gave help to. Every woman who approached him inseminating them from his practice. This is an idea. Of course is much simpler is the process of putting sperm into a woman's in the hope that it will fertilize her egg talking about the fifty fertility medicine didn't exist as a specialised field back then. It was shrouded in shame and secrecy. People cooled artificial insemination adultery by Doctor. If you needed help conceiving you just go to your family doctor who did what he could. Depending on his sources experience and willingness to push boundaries and artificial insemination has always had a check history from the very beginning. The first reported case took place in Philadelphia in one thousand nine hundred four on a woman who is said to have been knocked unconscious with chloroform and then inseminated with sperm of a medical student. Nine months later when she gave birth she had no idea. Her husband wasn't the biological father of her baby. The tilleke medicine is a field where women have no choice but to trust that the is behaving ethically nine hundred and sixty five combats contract expired and he returned to the Netherlands so his young children could get a Dutch education. He worked in a hospital in The Hague for two or three months performing insemination there to eventually. He landed a top level job. As the director of a hospital in Rotterdam called Zydeco can house in seventies the two most important things for him where running a Zayda. It can house So like quite a big public hospital in Rotterdam Anna running The biggest to abortion clinic in a country which is interesting. Because we might think that as a fertility doctor who was so much about creating new people call bat was making a name for himself as go to man for both abortions and artificial insemination. He appeared documentaries and newspaper. Articles often pictured in front of freezers. Full of sperm. He was heralded. As a pioneer of a new radical field of medicine I WOULD. He was like a golden child of his era. I wonder if any of them here. Combat Yanko bat at me see. Ooh Here's something in Dutch. Host is now bill. Busy and donor. Mclean Jojo busy at cool entire Paul and I had a look online and found some clips of combat during this time and we found something we didn't expect to find so eas loan on youtube matching combat hospital in Rotterdam do days at the medicine for look with the donor in seminar. Oh my God oh my God. I can't believe I'm watching. This is a man masturbating. It's been pixellated and man with very bushy peeves masturbating by the desk. Here then a guy with a moustache gets out of sperm sample in a jar and hands it to a nurse and we see with the patient. Oh my God and he's this is in this video on Youtube. He's putting speculate into a woman she's lying back on the table the tables kind of reclining but angled up so she can see what's happening is cranking the spectrum open cutting crew. I mean she's looking as relaxed as you can be when you're having going ecological examination and being filmed going much in anything that I would want less. He's got a big smile on his face. He seems to be delighted. Being filmed now. Knee Tomomichi across Europe and the US. The field facility treatment was exploding in popularity. His New World of possibilities for childless couples the men who could perform this cutting edge medicine and it was always men was celebrated and revered those doctors were sort of heroes. They really felt that they are helping people. In one thousand nine hundred eighty coubat left his job at the hospital. He didn't tell Camille wide exactly and opened his private clinic in an old farmhouse in Barron. Dre Sloppy Daddy. Lead boasted to Camille patients flocked from all over the world for treatment from Greece Yugoslavia. Italy Germany France even Columbia. Some women he said hop on a plane to be inseminated and then please straight home. Note that has the clinic with the stock on the reef. We found another documentary from the nineties and the farm that he had deja decode. Alum Stan. Nice what's playing in a wife Rita? I think that's Retour isn't it? Yeah that's SORTA don't they? They seem to be going through paperwork here. Retur and Yaakov APPs. She's got glasses on the whole. He's making some nights mental note if ever to spend in another scene combat is interviewed alone in an office right. So I've got some this translated here at this port that looked at this says. It's like a sport when it succeeds. It's kind of like hunting challenge. She says you try to fulfil women's wishes as quickly as possible to get much desired baby. He makes facility treatment. Sound like a game. He doesn't mention making families or dealing with vulnerable. People are putting all that trust in that doctor that audience with combat in two thousand sixteen with Camille only shot getting answers from the doctor. He's still had tough questions. He wanted to put to combat about how he managed or mismanaged his clinic sipping tea while the beach boys played in the background. He did his best to hold the Docs to account without causing seen I ask him what was the maximum number of Children per donor in your clinic. Remember Louis donated thousands of times and fathered at least seventy children his at that I know off eighteen. And like that you know and you're like documentation and it was like yeah. Eighteen Sixteen Camille also asked about anonymity and whether combat thought the children he helped conceive had any right to know who their donors were. He said that he did try to reveal the identity to some parents or even that once he even introduced a dollar to a single woman and that was the biggest mistake he ever made outside. My combat said she'd somehow got the idea. Had donor was a doctor when she discovered he wasn't. She was furious and disappointed. So he said that after that he decided that his not experimenting with non anonymity anonymity was useful to carve out. Wasn't it gave him an enormous amount of power in many could run his clinic in this completely shambolic way and it wouldn't matter. Camille was determined to get called out to face the truth that so many of the people conceived in his clinic left searching for their identities. What do you think Mister Car bad about? Donald Children who are now under twenties thirties. They are looking for half siblings. Donner fathers and he'll like I didn't think about it at that time. I just wanted one thing. My clients had to be happy client. Fragments client happy and of the story. So you think call bat thought I gave these people life. They should be happy to be alive why they're complaining about this piece of their identity. That's missing I asked him like how was it to have the beginning of one's life in your hands and he was like. Oh no no. Don't ask such questions. It's like that I was technical. I was just doing my job. I didn't feel anything like that. He didn't revel in that power. No this sentence will sort of. I believed he did lie. It was true he just didn't perceive him as the Creator. He perceived him as a successful businessman and successful medical doctor. Proud of the results so you think that he did what he did because he was just focused on driving straight ahead getting the results and he didn't light rules. He was a guy who didn't like rules who wanted to be as effective as possible. Because the way you described him I hear somebody who's Libertarian. Has this kind of political belief that human beings should be subject to the lease rules possible and should be allowed to do what they do so long as it doesn't harm anybody and he clearly didn't think there was any home and what he was doing. No I think I think. He ignored Any potential harm. The clinic closed on New Year's Day. Two Thousand and nine combat was in his eighties then and still determined to practice. He told Camille that the authorities in The Hague ordered him to shut it down all the machines. We have are too old and must've all I am too old. So they said that's the end of the clinic call that was left shuffling around the building where he wants created countless lines. The treatment rooms have been rented out as apartments. He was still brimming with confidence and self belief but his glory days were over the doctor who once represented the future of fertility. Medicine was now living out his final months in motorized chair. Call back was out of touch fertility. Treatment had moved on and so he genetic screening he never envisaged a world where people would take DNA tests for fun during our interview. Pure nonsense. He said that he doesn't believe in. Dna testing what's that not to believe about DNA testing? He said like oh I so so many situations when the DNA evidence was just false and then somebody checked again and no. I just don't believe it. So I'm pretty. Sure that in sixty seventies maybe even eighties. That was still knew. He believed that no one would tell that he used his own sperm Dan. He had to find a way like how to cope with the situation. There are people who have evidence right if he was confronted with those children are his that have his distinctive features. How would he explain that? My God I wish I know heart attack. I think uh Camille told me he did ask about if he ever used his own sperm to inseminate his patience and combat shrugged it off that bits. Not In the transcript. He gave us of his taped interview. He might have asked it when the tape was recording. How did you leave it with Kobe? I was so emotional that that I didn't really have more questions. I just realized that it's not going to happen. Because he's GonNa Light Me. Camille time was up. Even if combat hadn't answered his questions honestly the encounter had been revealing the doctor given Camille an insight into how he viewed the world how he justified his actions. How might have deceived and defrauded his patients without thought? Even when I was when I was leaving the House Reoccur Bob was like. Oh you helped. So many people and media are so much about Bat Staff Determined to have the last word coubat shouted six thousand. People are living in the Netherlands. Because of us you know I was like Oh you little narcissists. Yeah so. It was called a fraud. He got rich from lying to his patients a narcissist he got a kick out of creating as much life as possible or simply a libertarian. Who wanted results? He could have all of those things the same time. Rita showed Camille out escorting him to the Iron Gate all the show. You won't back to Baron DRESS THE STATION HIS HEAD SPINNING. They got away with something that day. Camille had recorded combats last proper interview and combat had been given a chance to explain himself without ever having to admit responsibility for his actions Of course meet. The grads is protective. Wife and former assistant is still alive. Perhaps she might be able to give me some answers sir. We we re to the chance to talk about what we're saying about on this podcast. The name keeps coming up time and time again and I have been trying so hard trying to contact her. She said she was working with Rita but she passed the message on still had nothing so then I got details of her new Laura and our emailed him about four weeks ago. Got No reply. So I'm going up because I want to know one way or another. She's going to be happy to talk to me. I I have a feeling the answer is going to be no so. We're dialing not want him. Hello the Louis didn't know we were recording the conversation. So we're not gonNA play the audio but I can tell you what he said. I'm not entitled to give any interviews whatsoever and neither will miss his car bats. They don't seek the news. Shall we say he told me are then said? She really deserves the space to respond to what people have been saying about her and he said. Yeah but she doesn't want to just like that. I have to respect our wishes. I'm awfully sorry for you as a journalist but I can't give you any comments. Neither will she getting people to speak on the record for this? Podcast hasn't been easy. I've been trying to find mothers who can tell me what it's like to find out that the baby you carry it and raised was actually the child of your fertility doctor. But so far I've drawn a blank both marshon. Joey told them of his. Wouldn't speak to me re media all in bank on the media and they don't want to be an interview or at any on it okay. That's fair enough and that's good to know. Marsha said she'd Ford my request onto the other combat kids. No one is go back to me yet. Next time there was one more thing about told Camille during the into the bills like I broke some sperm to San Francisco in Miami. I'm going to investigate combats American connection if what he told me on director just true than you sold the sperm all around the world. And I'm going to uncover the stories of the other fertility doctors in the US. Canada and beyond combat wasn't just a bad apple. He was one of an incredible number of broke doctors prepared to portray their patients at the most vulnerable and use their own sperm to make them pregnant. How many cases like this? Have you seen worldwide? Were probably up to over thirty at this point certainly in the United States in Canada in South Africa Tokyo Belgium the Netherlands UK Germany. That is insane. Why so many dot is prepared to do this? What does it tell us about the fertility industry and? Is there anything that can stop it from happening again? The Immaculate Deception is something else production it was written and presented by me Jenny. Clemen Bull Smith is a producer with additional production from all Abington mixing and sound design. Comes from Wilkes? Short spoke media the editor and executive producer. Is Peggy Sutton? Thank you to macktaz. Barron Dan Coca Mark. Rivers and Steve Acumen and thanks to Camille ballot for allowing us to share some of his combat tapes CA meals book. All the children of Louis is available online in Polish. If you identify with any of the issues where reporting and have a story you'd like to share with us or email address is deception at something else dot com.

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HLA-B*58:01 Genotyping to Prevent Cases of DRESS and SJS/TEN in East Asians Treated with AllopurinolA Canadian Missed Opportunity

JCMS: Author Interviews (Listen and earn CME credit)

24:29 min | 9 months ago

HLA-B*58:01 Genotyping to Prevent Cases of DRESS and SJS/TEN in East Asians Treated with AllopurinolA Canadian Missed Opportunity

"This podcast is supported by an educational grant by Bausch health made available through the CD a corporate support program. Welcome back back to Jason Mess author interviews podcasts. I'm Kirk Barber. The editor in Chief of the journal Cutaneous Medicine and surgery. Today I'll be interviewing Dr Yan dukes. Dr Deutz published an article in our journal. November December Twenty nineteen on H. O. A. B. Fifty Eight. Oh One Gino typing. This article is pertinent for all of us because it highlights a missed opportunity in Canada to spread the word that East Asians with his are at risk if they are prescribed Allah pure and all so without further ado and my interview with Dr Toots. Thank you John for joining me today to talk about the article that you published in JC Mass in volume twenty three numbers six hour November December number issue and. I'm really quite keen to hear how Y- you've how this is a Canadian. Miskin Indian opportunity this testing and how valuable it is and that sort of thing because so often we're confronted with diseases. We can do nothing about now. Here's a disease that we can actually prevent with with with the a little bit of forethought so please help me to understand. What took you to do this piece of work? First of all This this paper is about severe cutaneous adverse drug reactions so as dermatologists. We often see people with severe disease. Sometimes we see people with diseases that are In fact preventable and Drug reactions can in certain cases be preventable so our story actually actually starts I. I imagine about Two thousand twelve when One of my residents are Kirchhoff decided to do a retrospective review of all the cases of severe drug reaction and in this case specifically toxic epidermal neck occur license that we're seeing at our site that is Vancouver General Hospital and more specifically in the burn unit and Intensive Care Unit and he and his colleagues there were a number of other residents and staff including Dr pap a plastic surgeon Were involved in this. We reviewed all the cases over about a ten year period. And what we found was that over ten years. We had a little over sixty patients that were admitted. Committed to hospital with these severe drug reactions and Of course they were related to drugs. The most common common drug Single drug that was a culprit in these reactions. Based on patient history was the drug Allah pure no so Allah pure and all is a drug that is commonly prescribed to people have high uric acid and that because of that get episodes so of gout or problems with their kidneys. So it's a it's a relatively commonly prescribed drug in to prevent the attacks attacks of Gout. And Hyper Your Assia. So what was specially interesting in that sort of ten year review was that Although most of the patients in our group were were Caucasian about list a little under a half of those patients admitted to hospital were were. I would say East Asian so either Chinese or of Filipino no dissent and the mortality in that subgroup was much higher than in the Caucasian group so of the patients that were admitted to the ICU with severe adverse drug reactions The people that were East Asian had a forty seven percent mortality which was significantly higher than the Caucasians and in almost all of those patients. The causative drug was Allah pure. And all so so. This was something that happened between two thousand and one and two thousand eleven and it turns out in two thousand and five. There was a very important Horton paper that was published by scientists in Taiwan Looked at their population which are Chinese and that showed that the severe adverse drug reactions to Allah pure and all were linked to a specific tissue type marker which we call H. L. A. B. Fifty eight a one and that people with that marker that were given Allah pure and all had a much higher risk of getting severe drug reactions This group in Taiwan has since gone on onto show quite Convincingly that if you did the Gino typing test or if you type type people for H. L. A. before starting them in on a pure and all and you did not put those people with the tissue type at risk risk that is the H. L. A. B. Fifty Eight. Oh one on the drug you could prevent virtually all the cases of adverse drug reaction due to Allah pure and all in Taiwan. Have they managed just a second. Have they managed to Make that public policy in. Taiwan would seem something correct so yes so in Taiwan I wan now it's essentially Good practice and policy to to do this test before you initiate initiate treatment for Gout. Or hyper your seem you with Allah pure. No people have looked at this We have a colleague Based out of Harvard heard high on Choi who also works On occasion here in Vancouver and he did this a similar analysis using whole us database and also found that There was an increased risk of getting this drug reaction. Tell a pure and all in East Asians and they also calculated the cost efficacy and savings if you actually did this. Genetic genetic testing and they They presented data. I guess in two thousand and sixteen to show that this was also a cost effective thing to to do in North America within this sub population. In fact the data is is is convincing enough that the American College of Rheumatology in their guidelines also suggest that before you put someone of East Asian descent on Allah pure and all you should check their tissue shoe type and ensure they are not H. L. A. B. Fifty eight a one. So what we did in. This paper is actually Looked at how often That genetic test was being done and compare it to how how often we estimated new starts on Allah pure and all would be it. Was this paper again was prompted by the observation. That that enough in this follow up study so from two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen When we looked at those people that were admitted needed to hospital with Ella pure no induced drug reactions again? Most of those people if not all of them were East Asians. All of them had the specific high-risk Lille and none of them had been tested before being started on that drug even though by then that is is two thousand and twelve publications had been out and guidelines had been out suggesting that this is something that you should do and the presentation of these he's patients which is in the article? These folks had severe disease right so they either get toxic epidermal neck releases this where you Have Blisters where you lose over thirty percent of your skin surface and there's a significant risk of death usually between twenty five after thirty five percent or there were patients getting a a similar slightly. Different drug reaction called dress Where they they get Hives and reactions and high easing affiliated with the involvement of other organs so in both of these cases these are severe drug reactions with with with significant sequentially so we we looked at over a period of one year How many people? We would estimate based on our provincial. Databases would be started on Alipio. We calculated What fraction of those would likely at least in our catchment opened area be East Asian and then we we compare that to how often the test was actually being run We found that The test is being ordered more and more as we As we teach people about the importance of this but in the year that we analyzed which Was I believe twenty Twenty twelve Testing was still still being only ordered for under fifty percent of the at risk patients so The test was still being underutilized. it to a significant extent The reasons for that May May may may be due to education so that people people just don't know that they should be ordering the tests. It may be that. They don't know how to order the test in in our metropolitan area the labs that Do the tissue testing Routinely do this for the workup of patients in the transplant. Unit but the test is available through The public labs And it it may be that they they don't realize that this test actually isn't that expensive. The current cost for that test is about one hundred and forty dollars right so so if I was to just have the idea that I need this test and I don't have especially immunology analogy LAB FORMS IF I put it on my community requisition I would think that'd be alert somebody to either get in touch with me and say you got the wrong requisition or actually proceed with the testing. I mean ideally you would put on the requisition please. Test for H. L. A. B. Fifty eight o one because if you put test for Allergy to Allah pure. And all. I think that would make the lab. Technician somewhat somewhat confused so so there is a kernel of knowledge that probably has to be there to order the appropriate test. But if if you remember that you have to order H. L. A. B. Fifty Eight. Oh one before starting Allah pure and all then I think you're in the right position to order the right tests before starting the drug. So yesterday I had opportunity to talk to a group of pharmacists. Yes and I knew you and I are going to be talking about Today and so I asked them. I said what you're canceling with respect to appear and they have not heard of this Leo and and weren't weren't had zero awareness so I said okay well. Here's twenty of you. Here's here's the beginning We can start to talk about the you. You should ask as you when you're feeling that prescription have you had your test done and you don't even have to say what the test is just that test and the hope that you send you back your doctor before you swallow this pill. Please be sure you have had this test or had a test right a specific test right right so as a as a quality improvement exercise what we're trying to do here in BC is is raise awareness of this One Way we've done that as we have a continuing when young magical education program That is disseminated through email and the Internet to to our local physicians Where which is entitled something like I wish I knew that? Or something and we we've done a segment on that But you're perfectly right that the other groups that should be targeted are the pharmacists that they should actually be aware of this. interru- this interaction or Availability of test to predict the interaction specifically in Southeast Asians The other thing we've done is is is added A letter to the Ama may J and two are provincial. And we're planning to do the same thing for a provincial organization. I think there's a number of ways of disseminating this information it goes goes from talking to pharmacists all the way to trying to include this as a warning in your car. So that when you you know On the the Mr Click on Allah pure. All the question comes up. Is The patient East Asian or not. And if so you should order this test right and wouldn't that be nice Thing at the Chinese Cultural Center yes pictures and things disseminating to the public. Because I what I'm finding as far as medical educations concern. It is his often the public that's educating not educating US but demanding to seek out further education with regard to various topics correct. Have you heard of this doctor. I found this on the Internet. Exactly so do you think you've moved to any of public policy. NBC The are you finding. Are you do d think there's an increased incidence of the use of the tasks that you can quantify if you seen fewer East Asians admitted to hospital spital What's your sense so our last review of this which is in this paper went back to two thousand sixteen so we're now three years later? I can tell you that three years later we are still seeing patients admitted with this adverse reaction that are east Asian and are of the risk. Lille so I can tell you you for certain that we've not hit so called one hundred percent compliance But the graph of utilization is going the right way And and the tests are being ordered more often I think it's really hitting the these ancillary using these ancillary techniques that will be able to get even higher compliance compliance that is eventually integrating this into Emr and ensuring that pharmacists are aware of it. I also wonder if. CPA They might be a logical place to put a letter That's an interesting thought because this is preventable. It's a preventable disease. And and if I knew that my doctor had ordered the test I ended up. Being blind on the test was easily available for hundred and forty dollars dollars I I'd be upset about that particularly given that in two thousand nine. It appears in guidelines. Now you may not expect family physicians to read the American College rheumatology guidelines but you might with proper dissemination of information mation through the day just a letter I mean we hear so many things about obstetrical things and things that don't matter to they we don't we don't practice obstetrics as dermatologist. This is one for not dermatologist. But for rheumatologists and family doctors it could save a life for two exactly so when we looked at at who ordered the test I mean it was most commonly ordered by family physicians rheumatologists. So the right people are starting to order it but It's really important that we try that. We continue to push an advocate. Essentially for for one hundred percent compliance compliance as it has done in in countries like Like Taiwan is there any sense of the ethnicity of the physician. You think I we we don't have that data no not at this point We you know in in NBC. We're lucky in that. We have a public database And we are looking at novel ways of identifying ethnicity and ordering of this test With the writing of prescriptions. So we can track the writing of prescriptions. We can now track the ordering of tests So it's possible that we'll be able to get more data in the near future Linking the two and looking actually at improvements over time but but That's a project that I that that that that's just beginning. Let's talk permitted about Stevens Johnson Syndrome. And it's -nology and how you work like this can help modify it. Are there any other uses of work that you're aware of that listeners. Should be aware of right. So the treatment of this disease is something that is a moving target and keeps seems to be changing From year to year I guess the the Basic Tenet is that this is an immune reaction where immune cells mainly T. cells are actually damaging and killing the skin and and they're driven to do so by a cross reaction with With culprit drug. So the first thing that is important is is to recognize the disease and recognize the pattern if you have someone that presents to the emergency room with with burning eyes burning mouth south painful skin A severe adverse drug reaction should be foremost in your mind. And if that's the case it's important to be able to get a history either from the from the patient or from his family as to what drugs he has been taking. We find that these reactions usually occur within three to four or five weeks of the onset of the using a new drug and so the most most important thing is to stop that drug so we when we see these patients we often we stop all drugs that they are been until we until the dust settles and we figure out so what's actually gone on so prima facie do no harm I-IT's stop all the drugs that they're on now The second thing is we have an opportunity if we act quickly and early two may be stopped the damage that the immune system is doing to the skin and to be we have an opportunity to to actually improve outcomes in that way. How can we stop the immune system from further damaging the skin well current Evidence suggests that there are a number of things that we can do one possibilities to start the patient on a medicine that stops the activation of t cells and that medicine now is called Cyclosporin Over a long term. There's there's there have been concerns. It's about toxicity of that drug. But over short period it is a safe drug and very effective at stopping the immune activation that damages the skin. And there's now also data that may be the use of Chemicals that inhibit site a kind such as TANF inhibitors specifically. Tanner Sept- may be of benefit. When you give it early on in this disease there's been a lot of discussion about the value of something called intravenous immunoglobulin Berlin and the the validity of of the data Regarding that in the use of that is still not completely clear so I would say that's an area where they're still L. quite a lot of discussion similarly with corticosteroids. Steroids are very good at stopping the immune system but Really would be best. The only used for a very short period because if they're used for longer the increase the risk of side Effects Infections And and other toxicities. He's so I think most important recognize the pattern of of a severe drug reaction. That is pain in the eyes in the Mucosal And on the skin Recognize that that may be drug and then stop all potential culprit Dr Bags and then if If the opportunity arises use some of these newer strategies to inhibit the activation of the immune system and perhaps prevent further damage so prevention prevention prevention and early intervention right. Don't don't be afraid no-one no one is no one has died from their first dose of cyclosporine. I think this is one of these yet. We're we're we're you know. Being aggressive early pays dividends Yes. Yup Yup Tanner Sept- as well and we've had some articles in JC. The previously. About the use of Tanner Sefton and clearly more aggressive of you are the better you can always stop can always stop well. This is a very nice piece of work. Great Clinical Picture. Just thank you And significant advice to those of us that speak to family physicians that speak to pharmacy groups and I'm going the urge our colleagues to make sure that even at a at the end of their lecture even if it's on a topic Exzema if it's the appropriate cultural group it might well be worth a picture and and a comment. Yeah well thanks very much. I really appreciate your taking time out of your data to help us understand this and thanks for for doing this Not just the podcast for for the work that undoubtedly will save lives right. Well thank you very much I enjoyed it. Produces both a dermatologist. And rheumatologist is also the professor and head the division of Dermatology and skin science at the University of British Columbia the interview. I had with Dr Deutz today outlined the work that he and his colleagues have presented to us on H. L. A. B. Fifty Eight. Oh One Lille geno typing. This is an important issue because SGS NTN`er frightening and mortal illnesses. That are preventable. And clearly. We have a way to prevent it in East Asians by simple blood test so get out there her and spread the word about and bring this article to life and even more meaning than it has dermatologists. Speak to your pharmacists. Speak speak to your family practice colleagues and see if we can't make a difference. These articles are going to be available free on JC MASS DOT CA for a period of three weeks from the time that the podcast are uploaded onto your favorite podcast site. So please take the opportunity to read. Read the articles as well for even more information about this important topic. Well that's it for this episode. Thank you once again for listening until we meet again to each other.

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1: The Clinic

The Immaculate Deception

27:13 min | 6 months ago

1: The Clinic

"A couple of months ago. I traveled to Rotterdam the second largest city in the Netherlands with producer. Pull it took a thirty minute. Bus Ride into a quiet suburb. All the people he would have made this Germany and the patient and kind of notes and anxiety and fear they would have felt. We passed picture. Postcard scenery dodge flags flying from gabled roofs. Little WATERWAYS CYCLISTS WHEELING PASSWORD. Fos kits on their bikes. Am I going the right way? Yeah we have to vote. Yes this right. Isn't it? Nice little suburban area. Very quiet street numbers this to look for number two seven. Six feels really creepy. Actually heritage is And it's a very strange looking place. A huge building. We came to a set of wrought-iron Gates behind them at the end of a long paved driveway. There was a custody yellow building. It looked like something out of Disney cartoon. There is I might goodness there. Were Net curtains. Behind ITS TALL SHUTTERED WINDOWS. There were black lanterns. Illuminating the path to its frontal there is a storybook on the top of the building and perched on the roof peering down the entrance. There was a large metal stalk the bird that magically brings babies to grateful parents everywhere cameras. Is that on the rive? Yes that's true. Hundreds perhaps thousands of women walk down the long driveway under the gaze of that metal stock for nearly thirty years. This building was the place where life was created. This is where a renowned facility experts lived and worked. The women who came here trusted that he would be able to help them conceive the babies they so desperately wanted. The doctor was famous throughout the Netherlands and beyond such a charming man and he will sell an ethic. Can you would really listen to him. Fairly good doctor the CRANDALL Akron lest hogue of people who did it have children and didn't have chance to have children but after the clinic's doors closed for good. There were whispers. That patients here had been given a kind of help. They didn't ask for as the babies conceived here became adults. They began to ask questions about where they came from and what happened to their mothers at the clinic. My mother had to tell everybody the story but it was never meant to be claiming you andrew. Look mom there's something wrong. This is the story of a doctor determined to create life by any means possible. This is the whole thing. The whole question. What went on in here. There was definitely medical malpractice because there was lying was it fraud is the scene of crime. Is the scene of an assault. Or is this the place where puts a desperate people came and left Frechman? I'm Jenny clemen and from something else. This is the Immaculate Deception episode. One the clinic. I'm a reporter. I've been writing a book that looks at the future of birth and it's made me realize just how much power we are already putting in the hands of doctors. We depend on them to help. Make families as fertility rates decline as we delay becoming parents as the definition of family becomes border than ever before? We depend on them when we're at our most vulnerable Jerry. Hi Good Morning. Spain adopted this is Joey Huffman. He's one of many people whose life changed when they found out what happened in the clinic. Embarrassing rushed in twenty seventeen when he was thirty is old. He summoned the courage to ask his mother a question. It had to him for as long as he could remember. He just arrived back in the Netherlands after holiday in the Canary Islands. He was feeling refreshed relaxed strong for the first time in years his mother had been looking after his dog while he was away. So we picked up the and when he saw her he felt that the time was finally right. I asked her in the garden of coffee. Mom I'm now okay. But it wasn't for a long time and they're still one question that's bothering me. Is My father my biological father. Because I've really big doubts and I ask is there something happened to you or am I from neighbor or somebody else and she was quite upset when I asked her dad's and she wouldn't believe that. I think that I'm not from my father. She couldn't believe that you would think that she'd been unfaithful. Yeah yes she was really distressed by it and see mood unwanted. Talk with me anymore to say mom please. I have to know for sure. Can we start at the beginning? Joey grew up in Rotterdam but I met him over one hundred kilometers away in the north of Poland because a lot of ice through. Joey has smile lines around. His is a narrow face permanent teeth. His home is spotless and ordered a stark contrast to the chaotic life. He had when he was younger. It was never a secret that Jerry's parents had needed help. Conceiving him they told me that They went to a doctor because of my father his dad had a sect to me after fathering teach children in a previous marriage so they undone procedure because my mom really wanted to have children of their own and they went to the hospital. Jerry's parents said the fertility treatment. They received straightforward. His mother was artificially inseminated with his father's sperm. That the seat of my my dad's a was a blessing of the room of my mom. That's what she told me but this explanation didn't sit right with Joey because he always felt like he was an outsider in his family. My broad and my sister. We were so different from each other. My brother was more of a fighter and I was quite own. My father had always debts so every time you get presents or something then they say we have to hide it because we have a lot of debt so people come take her furniture. So you have to put your stuff in a in a suitcase and bring it to the neighbors That's kind of things and I already was saving my money And it was quite good at it so I could not understand that the time while Joey was entrepreneurial and resourceful his parents spent most of that time at home drinking and arguing there were fighting and police game. And you come back from school and you're hearing the streets already the music playing out loud and you think oh no not again. This is all the time this week. You know that it would be late and that you are shaking and trembling in your your beds. Jeb couldn't bear living like this and feeling so isolated out of place. At only fifteen years old. He'd had enough he met his first boyfriend moved in with him and left his family home forever. It was the best decision I ever made that I. By the time Joey was nineteen he owned his own gym business was thriving. He was in a stable loving relationship. He'd grown into a completely different person to his dad but even though he'd been able to escape the chaos of his family home his unease about his identity remained. Something still. Didn't make sense to me. yeah solved at really bothering me and yeah. The border became a depression when my father passed away. Because I knew maybe I never going to know what's what's happening or what happens at the time. We're in a ready state when he passed away when he passed away. I thought it was also Grief Bud yeah it. It never stops so after two or three or four years is still in in state of mind of depression and don't want to come out of my bed and and it was two in verse feeling. I ever had. Joey's depression brought him to the brink of suicide. His psychiatrist urged him to speak to his mother. He finally confronted her with his doubts in March. Twenty seventeen he also had to take him through exactly how he was conceived. She saw the straws with the name of My father he's talking about the plastic straws that contain the sperm used in the insemination. She said they were labeled with the name of Joey's father he had to Jerry stand and this begin to talk about the clinic. Chubby wants to find out as much detail as possible about this clinic. Ask you what's the name of the doctor? And she said Yeah. I don't know it's it's quite long ago. Put His name was Johann. Probably and yet it's in the street a Colon Dyke Dr called. Yon Something a street with a diet. One of those little water as you see a Lova Dutch cities not far from where Joey had grown up in the suburb cooled Narendra. We're googling and then we saw all the articles. What did you read? What were the headlines to government or shutting down cleaning of the administration was not okay. There was story after story about the clinic complaints about missing paperwork and lost stores suspicions. That women had been given the wrong sperm. A court case and a famous fertility doctor in charge of it all as it is this claiming you. Andrew Look Mom. There's something wrong and yes. He was upset. And shoot me out of the house at the time It was almost like Like a realtor showing a a really Nice House. The nice man coming up next someone who started looking for biological father twenty years earlier. Her search led her inside the clinic. Did you ask about who your toner was when you were there yes I did? I asked questions about if they have records or something and the people at the administration with all ready. Tell me there. There's nothing here. Everything is destroyed. Hello Marcia Marcia it's Jenny cream and I met Marsha Elvis in Rotterdam almost two decades ago. She got a private tour of the clinic as she search for answers about her identity. So tell me who did you grow up thinking you are until I was seventeen. I thought I had another biological father. But he wasn't my life so I grew up together with my mother and that was okay for me to really had childhood. She's thirty eight with bright smiling eyes and a striking smile. She has the aura of someone who did grow up happy and then when I was seventeen. She told me that that man that she married once isn't my biological father and then she told me that I was from a donor and she was really scared that I would be very angry or would run away from home because she never told me before so years neither her mother nor her legal father had breathed a word to anyone about how their daughter had been conceived. They never told anybody until my mother and father got before and he told his family showed in. My mother had to tell everybody the true story but it was never meant to be told. Was She ashamed? Yup by the the clinic they would tell people. It's better not to tell anybody to secret was really recommend over there so it would be better for the child if nobody knew that there will be another father. Wow Yeah so. Your mother took hot. Oh yes the doctor who ran. The clinic had a presence and authority that impressed marshes mother and she always said it was such a charming man and he was so embed thicken. You would really listen to him it would. It would seem like the right way to go. So they followed his orders and didn't tell a soul but just like joey just like anyone entering their teenage years and thinking about who? They are who they want to be. Masha was wrestling with big questions. She wanted to know more about the father who had left her when she was only three. I was asking those questions from I. Think Eleven or twelve. Just curiosity you. Why did you leave me and my mother those issues? I would really want ready to confront him with that. So my mother also when I was twelve she called the clinic and she said well marshes twelve now. I want to tell her but when she spoke to the doctor he told her no. Don't do that wait until she at least seventeen when Marsha tan seventeen and her mother finally told her that her father was an anonymous sperm donor. Masha still had questions. She wants to know how she was conceived and then She told me I could go for a tour in the clinic that was offered so I did what was it. That was really really strange experience for somebody who's seventeen. I went together with my uncle because my mother didn't really WanNa go there anymore. She said I to March emotional stuff over there and go with my brother. Okay so I got to see the back entrance where the donors would come in and the little rooms with all the borden magazine in the videotapes. The staff who are giving Marsha the tour was so used to the process of sperm donors. Coming and going that they didn't think there was anything strange about showing a seventeen year old girl. The little rooms women watched porn and educated into some pots and they were all really and through. She yesterday about what they were doing there. It was almost like Like a realtor showing a really nice house in the night men and then also the treatment rooms for mother and I went to the room suited. Thanks where they would keep the frozen samples and it would show me how to get it out. I saw distrust and then also I went to the administration office. That was in another place in in the building. I think that was the most strange experience for me because when I entered there there would be working all the younger girls with long blond hair. The women were startled to see visitors coming into the office and they would turn over in All the pages with information on it so I could not see anything not any information. No names nothing everybody would get real jumpy and turn the pages and welcome. Did you ask about who your donor was when you were there? Yes I did. I didn't ask directly but of course I ask questions about if have records or something and the people in the administration with all ready. Tell me there there's nothing here. Everything is destroyed. I knew that I was donor child. And that okay for me and no I would never be able to find out who my biological father so I let it go but then ten years later Marsha was on maternity leave and I was watching television in the morning. It's coffee time. She saw something on daytime. Tv In two thousand ten an appeal for Dona children to get in touch to get your DNA tested and see if you have some siblings or maybe find your donor father. I watched IT A. Wow that's the only way to find out if I have some siblings. I talked to my house finger in. Let's go for a blood test for dish. Television show waited for three months and I actually had a at a match. Masha had been an only child all her life now. She finally discovered she had a half sister. That's really special in the bill. Show told me right away. There was no match with the domer- Marsha and her new sister email each other and met up a couple of times. She went on living her life as a busy new mother. Not Thinking too much about her biological father until twenty seventeen the same year that Joey had discovered that he too had been conceived in the clinic in our Indra. I knew that there was something wrong the same year when Joey was reading the headlines about the clinic he'd seen that it was closed down in two thousand and nine. He'd learned about the rumors the complaints in suspicions about what went on inside it. I was quite emotional Stressed and I tried to call my mom for a couple of times. But she didn't answer the phone and they're among the news reports. Joey saw a photo of the doctor who ran the clinic. Dr Yan Combat. I knew this is something really absurd but I can't see his face I see myself. He needs narrow face smile. Lines those unmistakable teeth at the same smell the same look in the ice so I sent a picture to friends and I did not say anything. And then they say that you joey. He was living image of the doctor. Meanwhile Moshe got a call from an unknown number. I was at work and when I drove home from work. It's like ten minutes drive so it's nothing. I missed the call. It was from social worker film. The Dutch organization that helps adopted and donor children find that biological families Martius. Dna had been in its database ever since that TV show. So I went in my mother's always this Monday because my weather's always rushing mature minimum. And then my telephone would ring and I told my mother well. I don't WanNa answer this call in front of the children. I'm going to go outside to to have a more quiet confrontation and I asked her telephone. And there will see three nights social worker from film and she said well. I have some use and actually have two kinds of news. Okay tell me how first of all we found. Eighteen of your half brothers and sisters so vile eighteen. Oh did these bets allow them. Wow Amazing. She's well yeah. I have to tell you something else because I think we know who? The donor isn't allies. Already a little bit shocked because It's really weird that they would find your donor. She said well yeah. We're quite positive like ninety nine percent. Sure that it's Looked to combat himself for me. It's in twenty seventeen. Joey who fron and Marsha Elvis were confronted with the unimaginable dot Jan combat. The fertility doctor wants renowned across Holland for making his patients. Happy the man their mothers had trusted to help them when they were at their most vulnerable. Zalmai certainly their father. Joey and Marsha soon connected with each other. They were half siblings. I there were eighteen then. Twenty three then thirty four. When I started work on this podcast the title was around fifty five now just a few months later more than sixty people are known to have been fathered by Dr Yan Core Bat without their mother's knowledge or consent. That number is growing all the time every month. Also a new child of Quebec joins the family. That's more than sixty country of seventeen million. Many of them grew up in the Rotterdam area. And it's not a big place. Just think about the practicalities of what it would mean to have so many half siblings for years these children of call back these. Hof Brothers and sisters will have been passing one another in the street APPS studying in the same places maybe even being attracted to each other. Who knows what complicated relationships they could have gotten into unknowingly because of the doctors deception. I have to tell my children if you get a partner and you WanNa think about children gathered DNA tests and make sure you're making children Viteri nephew or your cousin. Constantly screening people in your surroundings if they have the same resemblance and if you should in contact over forwarded you'll eva paranoid that you might be running into Sidley. Yeah and that's why I also did the DNA tests with my husband just to be sure. This is the story of the fertility specialist to use his own sperm to get his patients pregnant. It's the story of Mothers. Who would duped into carrying their doctors babies and those babies discovering they with the product of one of the biggest medical frauds? Europe has ever known it's emerging as the first generation of donor conceived. Babies Reaches Adult Hood at a time when home. Dna testing has become so normal that we give each other test kits for Christmas. It's a shocking story. But it's not extraordinary. 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Simulation and Synthetic Data for Computer Vision with Batu Arisoy - TWiML Talk #281

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41:35 min | 1 year ago

Simulation and Synthetic Data for Computer Vision with Batu Arisoy - TWiML Talk #281

"Hello and welcome to another episode of twin. We'll talk the podcast why interview interesting people doing interesting things and machine learning and artificial intelligence. I'm your host Sam Charrington. I'd like to start out by thanking Siemens for sponsoring today's show you probably know Siemens as a global leader in the area of industrial electric vacation automation and digitalization and or as a supplier of systems for power generation and transmission as well as medical diagnosis. I recently had an opportunity to attend the company's spotlight on Innovation Event Down in Orlando Florida and learn about some of the interesting work happening within the R._N._D.. Branch of the company. I'm happy to be able to share a bit of that with you the today's conversation with a computer vision research manager there to find out more about what Siemens is up to in areas like digital twin cybersecurity smart city infrastructure and more visit Tuomo A._i.. Dot Com slash Siemens are everyone I've got to Arisoy on the show bought two is a research manager breath for vision technologies and solutions at Siemens corporate technology to welcome to this week in machine learning and A._i.. Sure it's great to be here. It's great to have you on the show and I'm looking forward to this conversation. Why don't we start with with having you share a little bit about your background and how you came to work in computer vision and machine learning sure <hes> so actually I started my education and career in the field of electrical incompetent incompetent engineering with a focus on computer vision topics in Turkey and after finishing up my <hes> Bachelor of science there <hes> I joined same new and started working on compensation Germany to problems such as video construction from point clouds and genetical shape matching and at that point <hes> deep learning was taking off every day and that point were mostly using traditional mission your algorithms and that's how my interest started at at the time we're always using okay can expect some hand-carved features in order to represent the geometries but then we realized that there might be a better way of doing this and that's how I started this mission earning Johnny after I received my p._H._d.? In computational Germany that that same year <hes> I drink <unk> corporate technology and I started integrating into competition Germany together and right now. I'm technology manager for Vision Technologies and solutions team in Seema's Koper technology which is actually R._N._D.. Hub for seamers seamus and we are providing high quality research development consulting services for our business units within the seamus. Okay you mentioned that a big part of your focus is kind of merging <hes>. Did I interpret this kind of merging in the traditional computational geometry approaches and deep learning is is that how you're approaching the various problems working on this correct that's one facade of our approach but basically our team is known as is the company Vision Ltd data problem. Our team is working on have to solve computer vision problems by leveraging some simulation methods to generate synthetic data or by developing intelligent and a algorithms to eliminate the need off large amount of training data set collection because you might be seeing in most of the domains that this is one of the obstacles to actually deploy systems in industry. You have to collect a a large amount of training data sets for specific custom task. That's for your interest but at the same time after collecting this data IOS a heck to annotate the state so we are working closely with academia and researchers with insieme to tackle this problem from multiple angles how to Seoul learning or configuration limited tighter problem is their use of simulation primarily focused on <hes> synthetic data or are you using simulation and other ways as well some view simulation in two different ways the first fail for us. The simulation is actor to generate synthetic date and <hes> one great example use case that had all have the open the past about spare-part ignition. This is a problem if you have a mechanical object and that you deployed in the field and you need to perform maintenance and service operations on this mechanical functional object or time in in order to solve this problem what we are working on his using simulation to synthetic generate a training data set for object recognition for large amount of entities in other words with unstinting degenerate images as these images are collected in real world from an expert and their annotated from an expert and this actually comes for free using the simulation <hes> the have the system together with our Seema's colleagues were deployed this for the maintenance applications of the trains and the main goal is it serves engineer goes to the field it takes his tablet. He takes pictures then he drove a rectangle tango box and the system automatically identifies. What is the object of interest that the source engine to replace and in order to make the system reliable they have to take into consideration different lighting conditions <hes> texture colors or whatever these parts can look like a real environment okay so you you've got some ground truth data? which is the parts itself from these could be? I'm imagining you have them both from like maybe catalog images perspective but for some of them you probably have down to cad <hes> description of these parts and you want the service engineer to be able to take a picture of the parts in place like not having you know taking the part out and putting it on a white background or something like that but just in place and then draw bounding box of some sort around it and your system should be able to identify what the part in question. Dennis that's exactly the case of you're interested for the built in case so like to eliminate the need of this assembling mechanical object in order to identify the object of interest because sometimes people might have already engraved some Q._R. Codes on on these parts however we are targeting application scenario. This object will take so much time to assemble or the Q._R. Code is not visible or due to some customer preferences. We cannot print any who are couldn't I._D.. Detect on this part. Our system is designed to be able to vote on such scenarios. I can see how generating synthetic data particularly you're kind of typical data augmentation types of synthetic data. Were you doing <hes> shifts and changing the lighting conditions and things like that would help a model solve this problem but you also have <hes> I would imagine the issue of kind of inclusion collusion of your part is a big challenge to overcome is that dealt with via synthetic data or other methods so that's a great question actually yes so that was actually the first that we took was talk. Meditation matters to be able to actually <hes> used some previous catalog images or cad models to generate synthetic images however the real challenges modeling also the sensor structure. So what are this sensor noise always that you are going to get when you are in the field because if you're sensitive to generate images you don't consider the noise that comes from your acquisition device or you don't 'cause they're the distortion that come from your acquisition device or some other electromagnetic fields effect and this is rare <hes> published a paper <hes> in two thousand sixteen. That's called that sent and Irvine modeled bit very high detailed how Adept Sasser works such that arsim later generous very high detail detail depth images from the CAD model renderings so that's what it makes it really successful. We are not only generating or augmenting data by creating it's different skills different rotations but even take into account the <hes> parameters that affects the image acquisition and that favor able to achieve success to deploy such a system that petitions and so there's the depth characteristic address the exclusion <music> of your part by other parts in assembly or <hes> yes. How do those two factors tied together should actually very synthetic rendered these images we rendered entire assembly so that even though we see objects <hes> itself <hes> v Synthetic simulate as if there are inclusions from the neighboring parts so our synthetic database does not only consist of clean images you also take into account all these cases where you senators simulate this corner cases as so this is all baked into the simulation platform that we have? I'm curious with the depths in th paper what the general approach approach was were you. How did you incorporate the characteristics of the sensor into the training of the models to get better results shown <hes> for example <hes> in our paper we talk about the representation off the depths and pipeline which consists of the projector model inc.? Camera Modeling Object Modern Reconstruction and post I listen modules and each of these models takes as input a cat model and synthetic the generous Iran drink of adapt image corresponding to this cat model and during the project modeling for example we simulate the patterns motion between Exposures projector and Lance affects in the camera modeling beer and taking distortion motion blur and other noises that are from them and object modeling taking on Motion Control Illumination Material Properties and also even the surface micro Jim to modeling properties and at the end of the day the even apply how this German or how this image will look like if our duets applying some post processing steps like the summoning or wholesaling and that's how you actually get that images that looks really realist can in our paper we shall comparison <hes> our simulation results the real <hes> detection and <hes> the stimulate what if somebody is using a handheld device and he walks within the building they take into account the vibration that comes from walking evident the environment are takes the motion between the exposures as well and that's really stunk and so are the modules that you described are these modules steps in pipeline or are they more like layers in and <hes> <hes> deep learning model so for this one <hes> this is not based on the deeply earning model but right now this is still enter and pipeline but during that time <hes> v actually modeled ah this mathematically is behaviors cool so we dove right into a pretty detailed use case but maybe before we talk about more use cases I can have you take a step back and talk a little bit more broadly about what your group at Siemens does sure sure in our group actually everyday V have three different types of interactions or activities and inaugurated as as I mentioned before we are targeting computer vision with limited data problem however what are the <hes> different venues vary actually execute this work and this can be grouped in under the tree different product categories or activities our our first activity involves day to day interaction with our business units business units to understand their needs and try to identify Vich competent visionary sources can make the largest business impact for them. After identifying such opportunities fortunatus you formulate proof of concept projects guitarist victim to improve their competitive advantage but <hes> this is one type of the interaction that we have within the company for our scientists the second type of interaction. That's also excitement of our scientists. Here is the our interaction for more fundamental research topics. We are very actively engaged with subsidies and grants in U._S._A.. Screen Potential Co for proposal issued by U._S. government entities that alignment our long-term vision and if there is anything bellone for us because liberated multiple universes Indiana's so partners to Dr Peppers full proposals and a great example of such activity was right now. We are one of the performance <hes> we didn't DARPA PHYSICS OF A. For GIC together with Cornell University and we are also part of the Darpa automatic scientific knowledge extraction project programs while this actually concludes our second type of activities and the type of activities is more about <hes> how can our researchers and scientists volk on the topics that are going to create a business impact in the next two three years for seamounts for these topics are teams are collaborating meeting new nurses and other industrial partners innovate and published resources in top conferences for example last year artem had three C._p._r.. One is the publication and presentation and this year we had von C._p._R.. Publication also organized comparision with biased Ohio state over workshop led by our principal scientist Dr Yan and and with our team member Dr Contra Pank in Long Beach California us week okay and what was your C._V.. Our paper this time sure <hes> it was actually a very interesting topic what you called learning without memorizing so this project is also <hes> is an important incremental. Learning is an important task aimed that increasing the capability of train model in terms of the number of classes recognizable by the model so what it means is the key problem is the requirement of storing the training data associated with existing classes while teaching the class to learn new classes and this is a work jointly down by Richard Makram Singin quantum pink and what they actually invented this they found out they find out avail of emulating the relationship between a student and the teacher how it works in real world and they applied it to artificial intelligence so the way the system works as there's one teacher model which tries is to explain what it learned so far but it doesn't want the student to just learn everything by heart it wants the student to understand why he makes the decisions and that way if actually capable of teaching into neural network how a noodle network makes decision then you can actually pass the inherited information from the previous experiences we dodge requiring access to the previous state of sets are there maybe correlations between the student teacher type of an approach and something like an auto encoder where you're can have trying to map what the primary model learns into some lower dimensional space and <hes> have build that back out. Yes it's similar because actually this work is built upon one of our previous publications which was which was trying to attention modeling and attention modern modern executives trying to understand. Where does our new network pay? Most of the attention made makes a decision and we are capable of highlighting. Oh okay these are the set of the PIXELS <hes> that contributes to most of the decision and this is the paper that published last series Coulter Town Nevada to look <hes> and in this paper by leveraging <hes> this powerful explanation mechanism were able to encapsulate. I Know College. That's very unique from the training data sat in a lower dimensional representation step state and that's how it works actually that's why social relevant to the Otane quarter what we are using ener- mechanism textually and cups relate to knowledge coming from the training data sets okay and so how how does that <hes> that mechanism work in the <hes> the learning without memorizing paper should <unk> <hes> debate this work <hes> works actually <hes> first of all. What's the <hes> he'll use case the real use cases <hes> you might be familiar with all these edge do Isis Ri- we are capable of power from real time computer vision tasks on on that and <hes> if you like to improve the improve your model for example you like to train or teach this model classification recognition of the new objects you don't want to retrain your system <hes> using using the previous training data set? I it takes too much time again second. You might be a not have connected or you might not have access to this data and there's also memory limitations on your age. Do is which prevents you take tortoise data on your device for further training purposes so the main ideas can slate the knowledge that was only inherited from previous training stage and pass it to the next stage of the training and the way dog written works as it tries to memorize exit you call it learning without memorization but we he tries to always consistently pay attention to the same regions of the image pixels to make the decision so it doesn't allow its attention mechanism to divert too much by looking at the new observed data so that way by keeping our attention consistent then yard preventing our attention to be hurt or disturbed and by preventing that we are capable of actually maintaining the data as much as possible of course this is something at the research stage and we are working on it faddish for more industrial use cases going back to the tell me where to look paper. What's the key innovation there so the Keno Vision there was a very interesting assistant paper because <hes> I don't know if you are familiar with attention modeling frameworks but what they are trying to do is <hes> the the famous example? Is You like to recognize the ship and in your training data set you always have the ships that are on we'll see then you like to see okay. Let show me the what are the pixels that my new network is paying attention and you realize that all my noodle network is paying attention to the sea because it's actually learning the patterns of the instead of the geometrical features of shape so existing algorithms onto our development <hes> the attention models were not extracting the bonders of the object of interstate or more noisy competitive our. <HES> recent development but we did that work was <hes> we demonstrated that we can actually mask or height. Some pixels of the objects are some pixels of the image and then we stand by this information permission dismissed or altered image to fire onto. It's not capable of recognizing the end of the correct classes that were in an iterative fashion remove more pixels from the images onto arcus fire starts failing to making king the right decision and at that moment said okay we are successfully recovered all the set of pictures which impacts the decision of making this is a cat. This is a ship or etc.. This is the one <hes> branch Afar Rock. The second can branch out there. The masking is done as part of the process. It's not like a labeling type of step is that correct correct it was it's completely trained and to end the system optimizes jointly trying to identify to pay attention pixels and at the same time I remove some pictures to see if it needs to grow this pixels over time and this way actually corrects and improves its attention mechanism and realize that you were able to get much more accurate boundaries of attention and they were much more <hes> cluster together sites that they're more compact representation of the knowledge and it also provides explainable that aspect okay and I think <hes> At least some folks in our audience will be familiar with the lime paper <hes> which is <hes> Carlos Guess strengthen his folks from University of Washington and they do something similar where they kind of perturb aspects of the inputs to determine which are the pixels that are most relevant to the classify decision. Can you relate <hes> this work to to that should from a from a higher level <hes> yard trying to solve a similar problem <hes> but I don't know the exact details of that paper so that's why I won't be comfortable to diet compare compare them to hear cool and then you mentioned a computer vision with bias data workshop that you did at C._P._R.. This year can you talk a little bit about that. Yes actually this was the the second series of this workshop organized by our principal scientists John Ernst and actually the main object of this workshop was bringing together people from industry academia and also <hes> <hes> students as well to identify. What are the big problems right now in the competent vision with limited by state and one one a famous example is like <hes> if a training database? You're always eh clus imbalanced problem. You always have so many data points off the nice results but you don't have enough number of samples of the negative samples are problematic cases or out of distribution cases or the unique unique rare cases so we had a list of speakers and you can also find online the list of speakers from the website three Proton in nineteen bookshop website and we discussed together <hes> what are the some common problems that the academia and industry is facing right now and whether it is some approaches that academic industrial tried so far to tackle this problem that was the main objective of the doc shop and now these kind of class imbalance problems that you've described they come up all over the place but they are particularly present in what I imagined pretty common use cases for are you at Siemens like industrial inspection where you're trying to identify damaged parts or damaged products coming off of an inspection line or maybe looking for damage on and <hes> wind turbine rotors things like that like the you've got so many pictures of the the good parts <hes> and very few pictures of the different types of <hes> of damaged <hes> parts what are some of the key ways that you're able to deal with this sure actually <hes> some some people call this problem out of distribution learning some people call it Noel to detection or animal detection as well and yes. You're right because it's always easier to say okay. This is something normal looking versus. This is something defective but Dan McVeigh hundred different ways this defect might look like right so and if you like to try to annotate tatum this together <hes> it might take too much time and you might not even able to color entire problem spice so for this one <hes> we are working some animal detection algorithms in order to learn <hes> representations as similar approaches what you mentioned previous using encoders such that you learn visual trends and then being able to identify okay if this is how normal scene look stock. How can we identify a the sample does not fit to distribution and the data that the learn from and that's labeled as normal and this is a very powerful technology if you can kill it different use cases so what are some of the most interesting either use cases or case studies that you've had a chance to work on it at Siemens what's most exciting of the various applications of computer vision their sure sure <hes> actually this is a very hot area and the computer vision and we always try to add to research that's ground to the industrial needs and business needs and <hes> the usually take a approaches together with government as well and one of the performance and <hes> in one of the programs <hes> by office of Navel Research and this is called an activity cognition project <hes> arrive? We are trying to develop a system <hes> the user will interact Avidan is system that usually will tell okay. I'm looking for an object and the user will be able to define this object okay. It's going linked to head redshirt. It's going to have blonde hair or it's GonNa say Short told this attribute or I'm looking for a white car or et Cetera then the system automatically filters are or distills millions of. Feed your images or millions of videos in order to identify and locate your object of interest that you defined but the Nice thing an interesting thing is this is a problem <hes> that's actually two-way very believe and this is very exciting. Recall this human in the loop idea so what we believe is you or use it can provide all this information and to the system but we don't want a system to just return okay. These are the results you want a system to come back and counter back saying that did you mean by this and such that they are going to have a conversation between the user and the system until they actually filter out and locate the object of interest because sometimes we we also observed that people are not at by describing what they're looking for and the system might be able to correct it saying that did you mean by that this and we are trying to actually map human input to the visual search queries and I'm having a conversation between these two. That's I'm envisioning a lot of moving parts here between the natural language elements of it and the visual querying and the choosing the right examples to maximize maximize information transfer between the humans and the computer what are the different elements of solving a problem like that show and actually that's what makes us really unique because corporate technologies research an R. N. D. Hub for Simmons and yet actively investing in research and in the domain of artificial intelligence and there are multiple teams contributing all over the world with diverse backgrounds and as you have seen here this problem requires an nature language processing by Crown District Computer Vision Macron this problem requires also <hes> the person identification or this kind of application migrants so that's why <hes> the main team consists of multiple sub groups and <hes> one off the team is focusing on identifying attributes from multi camera stream so that actually you need to still train the systems on some training data sets such that you can learn okay. What does it mean really having a red car but does it really having a blue car so the first part of the computer vision element is being able to identify objects and then being able to identify the features of this objects? It's afterwards after your identified this and you are capable of action of processing to human input where the user says I'm looking for after that Santa's you look for the verbs and nouns an are natural language processing experts are working on how to relate the user queries to the mathematical queries in order to actually find objects of interest that are found by this computer vision and modules afterwards of course there's another team which is a user interaction team which is focusing God okay. What is the information exchange efficiency so are actually going to be able to find a solution? If you go down to this rod or should the system come back and ask the user <hes> did you mean by this such that it actually improved quality of the search results and along the lines of of kind of government projects. You mentioned earlier Darpa physics of A.. I. Project and I wanted to ask you a little bit about that. What's that project about so dot for physics of A._I.? is a program where multiple <hes> university partners are contributing and <hes> they have our team member. Dr Teaching Chang is the P._i.. For that project and this project is actually trying to incorporate a physics into the artificial intelligence systems in order to eliminate the data of large training data sets and as I explained at the beginning of my discussion so this is really what excites US learning with limited tatum whenever there is such a program we try our best to be part of it and here we are working with the a Cornell University and actually <hes> this project is trying to reconstruct <hes> Three d images from a sub sampled air resolution sensor data via. They know some physics constraints but they don't they don't have the full visibility to the data for reconstruction and they're focusing on how to incorporate the physics in order to be able to reconstruct three D. by knowing the <hes> relationship if he didn't Elmer's the state Cetera okay I find this general direction of research to be really interesting in that you know we we're kind of coming from a history of you know building building systems based on <hes> you know very robust models of the physical world and then we the pendulum kind of swung too you know let's throw away all the physics and just use statistical models you know from just building up from data and I find that there's a lot of interesting work happening in the middle now Kinda the pendulum kind of swung into the middle where we're trying to integrate these two and <hes> attach the physical knowledge of the world or the way whatever system that were modeling works with <hes> the statistical information or statistical modeling techniques. They're a bunch of really interesting applications there yes and actually one era day example that I use like. I don't need to observe thousand times at car is driving on the road. In order to understand irregular car does not fly so so if integrate some knowledge about okay there's gravity at our roads and et CETERA. You won't need that much data. That's that's something that excites us and we definitely and interested in this time of stops. The seamen's spotlight on innovation event not too long ago and one of the use cases that are application areas that I saw Siemens is talking quite a bit about was <hes> smart cities <hes> and a lot of kind of a broad much broader array of applications than I usually see when smart cities comes up <hes>. Is that an area that you're works. Works in not at the moment but we believe the technology that dope can be applied there as well. You also mentioned the project automating scientific knowledge extraction <hes>. What's that one about <hes>? That's a project that we're colliding with our sister group here insieme C team and actually that's the peers the doctor Yan Yan is an excellent <hes> what we are trying to in that project is <music> <hes> Senator Darpa effort and objectives. If you have list of papers. How can you make sure that the knowledge that extended from this papers corresponds to the code that you actually get delivered at the end of the day or or how can you make sure that you can automatically understand what is actually explained in this paper <hes> by looking at the images the text and making its relationship to the <hes> the software and our team is contributing to the recuperation of decomposition of the neural network images on this papers and these papers are mostly <hes> scientific papers where you have the multiple layers and actually we are working on developing a system? That's capable of taking as input such a scientific paper and then <hes> processed the images on these papers and tell you okay this paper is leveraging and neural network architecture <unk> x. with this many layers and they're using this drop out and this pulling layer and etc so we are working on that component to be able to to make the screen and such scientific knowledge papers and try to summarize is an content knowledge in my sense is that a lot of people who are listening to this podcast would probably be really interested in <hes> a system like that you know particularly with all of the papers that are <hes> they come out in in our space to archive. It's super difficult to keep up with even a subset of those papers. Yes that's true but of course now we are terrorists are stays of this in the future are going to see hopefully more and more example of such work because right now if I remember correctly in in C._p._R.. Nine thousand three hundred attendees an old thousand different papers and right now if you spend three or four days it really takes too much time to even figure out what are the paper said to like attendant visit so such as solution would be even good if it can actually eh screen titles and then does it fit my interest and then I can't go there. It has kind of towards the basic research side of the spectrum you know at least relative to what some other corporate research arms are doing. What is the <hes>? How do you ensure that this stuff is tied into aligns with the actual stuff that Siemens is doing and for that matter how important you've mentioned that that's important into but you know how do you strike a balance between contributing in these broader efforts collaborations and doing things that ultimately has an impact on the kind of stuff they seem as cares about sure and actually <hes> with government <hes> and also other research projects we are more tackling the lower tier al projects which means the lower technology readiness levels by develop some proof of concept and published some papers of course we secured I._P.? And that's the one of the important metrics for us how <hes> my how many new ideas or a piece can be actually contribute to our seem as business units to <hes> increase the competitive advantages from a grounding perspective any topic that we invest always I think about plus it really related problem that we have in house or does really have some <hes> potential official to be converted into a product in the future and that's always our grinding mechanism and our team is working all these papers that republish even though they sound on their cool research projects they all get into the real world at its is one component of a product that your experience in the world and actually the spe product nation <hes> Alberton that I discussed at the beginning of our interview. The sexually called is a spare idea. If you go online and Google it you can say that's actually a product that our business units right now actually leveraging and providing the service so that's how the transit take Niger transition happens I actually power phone the research <hes> internally and in collaboration with academicians and then our job is transferring the streets are true or relevant products but you always keep in mind that whatever we do needs to provide some impact of in the next two two years foresee much overall when you're taking a an idea like this at the later stages of this process like the easy spares are their unique challenges that you run into kind of in those final types of commercialization always and that's why we always have support from other experts from our business units who are really and know how to productized something and <hes> definitely experienced challenges like one of the challenges with the noodle networks <hes> the memory or the processing times so <hes> the experienced challenges during the end of the proof of awesome face before demonstrating Tauch business students will want to thank you so much for taking the time to share a bit of what you're up to sounds like a lot of really interesting stuff <hes> and I'm imagining some folks will be be interested in digging into some of the recent C._V._A.. C._p._R. Papers that you'll be sharing with us. Yes thank you very much for your time as well and I like to also point out that in caves studying other additional questions sends your audience is free to reach out and I think you can also post my email website so that I would happy to connect with them. Afterwards will include it in the Sonos. Thanks to thank you all right everyone. That's our show for today for more information on today's guests visit twitter dot com slash shows. Thanks again to Siemens for sponsoring.

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Indias foreign minister visits China amid Kashmir crisis

"I'm sweet today. Provide you with in depth news and expert analysis telling the whole story bigger picture the news to today india's prime minister visits china amid kashmir crisis. Mrs hong kong condemn violent acts after police officers sustained spurns from petrol-bomb china and japan of out to build ties for new era. <hes> strategic talks resume economists warned the per loaned china u._s. Trade war could lead to recession jeffrey absence desk by apparent suicide inspires new spiracy theories. You're listening to today a news per one with a different perspective. I'm joing nicole me. Our we will bring renew in-depth analysis on the news and other stories. We've been following to listen to those out of soda again or to catch up on previous episodes. You can download our podcast by by searching world today. India is looking to ease tensions in asia as external affairs minister. Astray shankar is on a three day visit to to china in a drastic move. New delhi is attempting to end the special constitutional status of indian administered kashmir also known as jammu and kashmir kashmir beijing has sharply criticized india's decision saying it undermines china's territorial sovereignty the visit comes after pakistan's foreign minister. Mr shawn muhammad qureshi trip to beijing last week talks between russians and his chinese counterpart while he resulted in a pact that countries this will uphold justice for pakistan on the international arena islamabad also said it will take the kashmir issue to the united nations security council was beijing's support for more on those aspirin in shoop or associate professor at china foreign affairs university professors students joining us credit union. I'm so jay shankar house matters chinese counterpart we as well as chinese vice president xi sheng here monday so first of all. What is your take away from their meetings. I think the my mission of the indian for mr s came to china as to coach heart west our counselor one e <hes> the highlight will china india <hes> culture <hes> exchange exchange mechanism the second meeting of the high level culture <hes> mechanism this is i. I think that my mission of a <hes> okay <hes> her wage by the second i think there is has to explain informed china what's going on in <hes> jim and 'cause mir and only specially to explain the rationale of indians <hes> the action just past the the bill <hes> y to revoke about the autonomy of jerem more and <hes> kahsmir and unilaterally change the status co in this region yes as as you said this com says at a particular timing when <hes> but india to <hes> it's doing was articles three hundred thirty we know that chinese president xi jinping camping and <hes> indian prime minister mody they set bilateral relations back contract was the first-ever informal summit last year in hon <hes> this the dot com that came after earth seventy three day standoff at dr clem in two thousand seventeen so how does india's latest move on on the status of kashmir for the complicated is bordered china. Yes just you mentioned. I think <hes> the leaders especially stabilize and on improve the bilateral relations since two thousand seventeen and <hes> i think <hes> china india now how many call me entries out out of money <hes> cooperation issue areas <hes> <hes> y- <hes> especially under the framework of the brakes and utter that you twenty other <hes> <hes> the multiply so <hes> frameworks so china and india <hes> sarah many common interests <hes> but this is what's going on in jammu and 'cause it's really <hes> well complicated the bilateral relations. I think the mine <hes> demand the fact is between the possible <hes> and <hes> per town so <hes> the military confrontation between <hes> india and the puck stem and they 'specially dodwell a fact that the china's a bother security this is the first of the possible council the military confrontation between in pakistan and india that will that china's security and the second is <hes> what is indians are passing the bill <hes> <hes> that will <hes> <hes> has the <hes> <hes> effects china's sovereignty and we know kahsmir also close to <hes> to china's voter and that will <hes> if india unilaterally changes <hes> the policy and that will <hes> also her china's <hes> territory and the sovereignty so that is why way how how very concerned turn about what's going on in jammu and kashmir actually the visit comes just days after pakistan's for minister shell mahamoud karesh his trip to beijing and islamabad said it will take the kashmir issue to the united nations security council was the support of beijing but how likely is for pakistan to push the issue onto the formal agenda of the u._n. Security council. I think it's very likely and the expand well <hes> bring up the issue to u._n. Security council <hes> and i think what china pakistan <hes> way out and say which you sell the problem of negotiation. I peacefully now to using <hes> the military way so that is why the pakistan for mr came to china and on out so <hes> if we look at the new ambassador paxton ambassador to china also <hes> to kerr a petition <hes> so so now away how a very close consultation with pakistan and <hes> going to the u._n. Security council. I i think that the common <hes> as the consensus between two countries and the u._n. Council could help up that both countries <hes> to avoid that the military <hes> confrontation. I'll a further the crisis <hes> escalation action but we know that you achieve antonio guterres on august an ias he referred to the ninety seventy two shimla agreement which rejects rejects any third-party mediation on the issue so seems that it is not offering to mediate on this issue so tell us more a what that agreement and was all about yeah i think first of all i think the <hes> you and chief <hes> generosity meander through the shaimaa agreement this ashim agreements signed a in nineteen seventy two just after the wall between pakistan and india <hes> the both leaders from pakistan and <hes> india their tries with sao decided down <hes> their bilateral relations after <hes> <hes> the wall in nineteen seventy one and the india from the inside they really stays <hes> <hes> there is no third party intervention of the mediation <hes> <hes> you know solving the balata kahsmir <hes> issue but actual eat the real agreement. That's now contained <hes> that clubs we kinda standing here and it's kind of surrey especially in the nineteen seventies especially during that period the <hes> the pakistan <hes> gout support from <hes> from the united states so i think for indian really concerned that americans the intervention in the nineteen seventies so <hes> at that time <hes> you say is the <hes> shoot avoid that the third party intervention <hes> in <hes> <hes> on the cause mir issue but now how even this time <hes> we can look at the trump also so if both sides i ask him. He will like media <hes> what's going on on on the coast. Mira issue india also rejected his a alford so i think for indians vary <hes> outliers in india believe lee style is a great power and they try to solve the problem bilaterally and they <hes> think now from the outside ah intervention but i think the international mediation is necessary. <hes> especially one the <hes> the military out of the crisis escalated light either <hes> going further and <hes> the both sides shooter from <hes> and dirty multilateral framework to sell <hes> the problem mm-hmm well. It's been reported that pakistani forces have started moving equipment to their bases near the indian border. So do you think we're going to witness this on some military confrontation anytime soon yeah. I think i'll <hes> is obvious you now one begin indian unilaterally change the status co <hes> i yeah absolutely from the <hes> for the indians that believe <hes> they revoke poke the article <hes> three hundred zero seven <hes> revoke the autonomy statute of the gym and kahsmir is the internal affairs especially especially this area and there can show back indian but but so <hes> pakistan's died that his unilaterally change the status quo so the pakistan <hes> has true response to indian <hes> <hes> passing the lao so that i also way way can see the indian government now. Take some street aggressive actions in the area. They controlled area so i think the ochsner has to respond to the actions taken <hes> by <hes> indian <hes> common so the especially the very <hes> dangers. There's a devastating <hes> puzzle is about <hes> the military crisis between two sides so so i think <hes> now the doc style already so they like to <hes> bring the issue to the u._n. Security council goodstein <hes> that they tried to stabilize risk and to <hes> down <hes> the effects of the <hes> the issue of chris muir. Okay thank you dr chu ball. Associate professor was sean us china foreign affairs university. You're listening to world today. Stay with us. China plus dot cri dot c._n._n. Is your home for everything you want to know about china the latest news in china and everything anything china related from around the world everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel chinese culture language learning and more sharon applause dot cri dot c. n. China plus dot cri dot c. in your portal in today's middle kingdom. You're listening to world today. I'm joing the hong kong special administrative rich and government delivered strong condemnation regarding sunday's illegal protests a city which saw rioters attacking police the government spokesperson said they will bring those illegal protesters to justice the increasingly violent demonstrations of pushed the city to what what the government calls an extremely dangerous edge and government officials are outraged by such behaviour for more earlier had a talk with the turbo our current affairs commentator so victoria first of all. Could you tell us more about what exactly happened on sunday well four for sunday. It is very unfortunate that chaos and rioting and disturbances continued in hong kong and a ah there have been many cases of south house and also more alarmingly have being <hes> attacks on the police as well as throwing rolling of <hes> kotov fi at the police officers <hes> resulting in injury of police officers and this is really <hes> very serious and a major change in the nature of some of these riotings on the other hand. I think the hong on complement do the right thing. <hes> the <hes> condemned such violence and <hes> the spokesperson of the hong kong police force. It's also said that anyone attending such illegal gathering is actually guilty of hong kong crime and need to be dealt with as such a from the rest of china from mainland perspective. I think we forty could such continuation of violence lynne's than chaos and disturbance in hong kong and we want to urge the hong kong government and the hong kong police supposed to do whatever they can to bring the situation. She'll paxton normalcy to restore order and to restore rule of law and to bring those <hes> guti off <hes> attacking police and creating such social all the to justice. Why did the protesters keep targeting. You're getting the police which is not commonly seen in demonstrations or protests elsewhere. This is indeed very alarming. <hes> police force in hong hong kong is the very important line of defense or walk law traditionally people in hong kong. I actually a very very attentive to police offers and they really a police authors of this time for ten weeks in the row and in a very much allowing escalating and <hes> the <hes> disobedience of police and even attacks attacks on police have been rampant including for example biting off a finger of a police officer on duty and more recently for example one bantam and indiscriminate attacks on police officers <hes> performing their duties and again this need to be very much which condemned now one reason may be that <hes> you talked about protests <hes> yes indeed ing hong kong law protects the people's right to protest and to demonstrate but they need to do that legally and <hes> this time <hes> sometimes the number of people people involved in protests which may start as peaceful but then eventually they deteriorate in nature and the numbers of people involved involved are huge and also the hong kong police have been operated with maximum a restraint so some of these writers probably <hes> ah wanted to test the exact limits of the police patience and restraint and they are using more and more risky and dangerous and criminal and illegal activities to attack these police officers and i think this really runs the danger of <hes> <hes> destroy rule of law in hong kong and putting the situation in hong kong completely into an abyss. It is also reported that some protesters i have taken to the streets was their children. I mean how'd you look at such moves are because it seems to me that these children are used us as tools engage i oh i think we <hes> analyze the situation in hong kong very closely first of all <hes> being financing for some of these riotous <hes> i hesitate to call these <hes> protestors or demonstrators anymore because many of these situations actually involve illegal illegal gatherings and therefore i think they are no longer legal protesters authentic streeters and i think the <hes> political forces behind such movements <hes> pay for the younger people for example <hes> to go to the full front to commit such acts the violence and rioting and allegedly the paid three thousand hong kong dollars per person for sutton activities two thousand dollars per person of fifteen hundred purpose and too far example five hundred hung on dollar per person for a series of things that the need to do most of these activities are illegal activities when you talked about the kids for example yes of course where we look at <hes> situation in other countries or other regions in peaceful demonstrations for example yes of course sometimes people participating such demonstrations bring that family members including kids with them but this timing holcombe is very different as i say many of these activities have been classified by the hong hong kong government <hes> hung on police as illegal things they need to disperse. Sometimes these people who bring kids probably want to make the situation russian even worse probably won't to make even greater dramatic headlines for example and eventually the kids will be the victims as well as the family members will brought them to the front of such illegal gatherings in hong calm but allow me to say that restore ration- of rule of law all is off the top priority in hong kong and i think people of all walks of life in hong kong need to be fully aware of their legal rights to respect the law and all the and in this particular case they need to listen to what the police has to advise them and they need to stay away frans such a daego gatherings and if they do protest and demonstrate they nico do that legally. There's already some terrorism nancy. I think so i think the hong kong police several weeks ago already announced that he discovered hotel trove of explosives all all weapons <hes> stalled away in the warehousing cow alone for example and more recently we according to media repulse have also learned that they have explosives bombs for example being thrown into the crowds and <hes> special chemicals which which <hes> very much causing injury to police officers as well as <hes> standbys for example being used and one report which was also ironic ironic. I'm very alami was that young lady was throwing such chemical to please actually by exit drop some of these chemicals all herself so so she actually screamed and yelled out for help by the police officer and it's very <hes> significant to notice that the police officers actually rushed to hard rescue and try to say try to save her so i think it is a very clear that very dangerous element chemicals weapons explosives have be increasingly used in hong kong and this is definitely as i mentioned no longer a a peaceful demonstration or protests so some of the western media's keep using pro democracy pro democracy protests no way cobb. This is is no longer a pre pro democracy protests demonstrations. These are violence. These are riots. These are attacks. <hes> <hes> people said civilians and attack on police forces. Yes just now you mentioned about how the western media is reporting all those we see the us titles like hong kong police fired tear gas at protesters without mentioning much about how violent violent the protests have become so why do you think they are somehow biased to on this well <hes> very apparent that the the benefit of the western media reports are biased and prejudiced in their reporting of <hes> the situation in hong kong wide because they seem to have a motive to follow and the motive is that regardless of the violence at the riotings and the damage of the injury and the attacks on the police committed by these rioters as they are old justified and they are also called the pro democracy <hes> demonstrators and <hes> whatever the government is to whatever the hong kong police forces to old wrong dow illegal and and <hes> they have the goal of creating the overthrow of the hong kong as our government and completely <hes> discriminating against the police forces in hong kong and i think such prejudice in that media report needs to be corrected and eventually they also need to realize that the journalists they need to be objective. They need to be impartial. They need to report the situation as happening rather than inserting their own version of the truth and they're all version of the ideological twists of the facts for example into them media reports. I think people in hong kong need to read the <hes> repulse in a very accurate way and non biased away. Hey and the western reports really need to come back to says is because what eventually maybe doing is not only appre accomplished to such violence and attacks on police but also inciting violence in hong kong so is this having some long terming packed on hong kong's economy as we see the business groups in hong kong. They are calling for an end to the violence. In the city of course hong. Kong is <hes> tonight's. There's no financial center. It's a very congested plays. Population does it is probably one of the highest in the world and <hes> when in hong kong can no longer be drawn in a smooth men ain't if you shouldn't van <hes> when people worry about that lives when people can no longer log on to work in the normal way when there are huge massive disruptions of traffic by m._t._r. By <hes> <hes> railway by highway by threes for example and when people really need to worry about getting around <hes> with <hes> <hes> lives for example. How can anyone expect to have <hes> stability in mind. How can be <hes> cow can be you really expect at the prospect of the future of hong kong will be stable and in financial matters. If you do not have predictability you for a sound and reliable future then you want to a vote with all foot then you may eventually they might be capital flight light out off hong kong jobs may be lost and <hes> eventually people the hong kong will suffer as a consequence of therefore. I personally believe those who are committing such violence and rioters dry. It really do not care about the fundamental interest of the people in in hong kong they i'm being used as forms by forces beyond their control and sometimes these voices come way from hong kong itself out really coming from foreign countries offering regions with their own political agenda to pursue in hong kong the i use younger people students for example as you mentioned kids walk brought to the demonstrations as prongs as pawns <hes> to pursue their own political agenda and this really will <hes> spell very bad opened asli for the future of on klein. I hope people and business leaders in hong call political dita's hong kong will unite and <hes> pool the resources to do put an end to such violence and rioting in hong kong. That's victory. Go our current affairs commentator. You're listening to the world today. We'll i'll be back into hello. 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Jonah and japan hand said they will work to build a relationship that met the requirements of a new era esotique size resumed strategic talks after a seven year hiatus the strategic dialogue between janis vice-foreign minister low you turn and his japanese counterpart takeo akiba withheld on saturday in nagano prefecture in japan according to a brief statement issued by jonah's for ministry of foreign affairs the two sides had kennett exchanges about bilateral and regional issues and what push push forward the consensus reached bitten chinese president xi jinping atas japanese prime minister shinzo lobby before the group of twenty summit in osaka back back in june for more on this we are now joined on the line by young shoe research fellow with the china institute of international studies <hes> dr yan joining joanie us so we know the strategic dialogue resumed after being suspended for seven years. How significant is while. I plus <hes> i. I think <hes> resumed talks in what can i. I'll foreign ministry. <hes> really signal touch <hes> i i that all four plus tips until elections between china to japan is started. <hes> that is the correction can be characterized by partnership. We see each other and the no stress against each other. The principal was set the two top either president xi jinping's and prime minister is avi late last june and the tax the exact today we'll pray a role to explore the concrete a pass and measures to improve manche <hes> <hes> principles possesses assessment either so what are the topics that topped the agenda during their talks <hes> basically the topics cover suppose the pilot toy choi and the multilateral <hes> ranging from political security and <hes> <hes> economy simply because both chat china japan. Here's the <hes> commands a brash racial <hes> <hes> powerless <hes> in <hes> various areas the into and <hes> reasonable and the global aranda especially the bilateral. I think <hes> the <hes> the key pulpy is <hes> <music> how to <hes> reset the bilateral <hes> reset the mode of our bilateral relations between japan and china china <hes> and that the goal has been set by the pool top say power no we charter and the know kiss each other but in practice are <hes> that would be a numerous <hes> <hes> difficulties and the challenges of course opportunities corporation as well so <hes> the he talks to pay special attention to the <hes> to to sleep points so bad that the two sides can set the pace for the larry the corporation in other <hes> and they lots electro actually <hes> hand <hes> japan china <hes> have a wide range of differences especially at <hes> security retina but <hes> neil while release share <hes> quite a same opportunities but also faced shared challenges <hes> so <hes> i think <hes> the topic will be very complicated as some areas. We'll be a very positive but america will be very sensitive high walk. After the latest summit became to <hes> to public eaters. I think that allows the <hes> hassle in imo candidate <hes> format and that's the that was very very productive and doc will play a player go as guidance for the following a period of pilot initiative development so you mentioned about a shared challenges. Could it be more specific on dodd on what kind of challenges are we talking about and what is clear to country stewed together well <hes> the in my view in my observation the most urgent and the media to challenge that <hes> <hes> sheriff facing by china japan <hes> is the unilateral <hes> cabinet do lateral a troll <hes> is <hes> <hes> especially in the tweet area <hes> is well not that <hes> trump trace out the united states since last year has been launching a comprehensive trade wall against another not only against china but also against all trading partners i all major trading partners and all state but if we look at the other a look at the trade will from other angle we will find all all countries all <hes> economists evolved industry will artie called level of warding tree the pollen so will unilateral <hes> majer <hes> made by your as israeli producer confidence and analyst negative influence influence on the individual <hes> trading partners but also very serious challenges them in front of states on the global choice quaid so this unilateral challenge really made a big problem for china japan so fussing about china japan the two countries which is the lar- the second and third largest economies award should work gather chew strengthen a ah trend of multi-lateralism to oppose <hes> against the unilateralism not only for ourselves interests but also oh for the interest of the global economy well laterally besides to trade on practice from the trump administration. We're also seeing a deepening rift that in south south korea and japan so it was dot also having a wider impact on the economy of the region well. I think the current <hes> tr <hes> tensions between japan south korea is not a h- your tweet friction. There's not a <hes> <hes> a uh-huh same poll friction between the two countries actually as a complex of breaks <hes> friction <hes> starting from the political abuse. If you played an opposable positively for the expansion security area. I think these complex convictions all tensions begin to countries <hes> has being affecting actively bilateral and ice well. I will begin to produce <hes> spillover effects on threes in especially in <hes> in the economy. <hes> it's well known <hes> just a couple of mice because that's a couple of weeks ago <hes> china japan south korea <hes> had koch consensus paul and <hes> <hes> promote <hes> trilateral cooperation boastful app q._a. and why they're a range of economic cooperation and as well <hes> the make joint efforts are repeat negotiation <hes> but because of the latest frictions between japan and are okay <hes> i think the momentum trilateral among china japan south korea we'll be effective the negativity and greatly <hes> so it's a <hes> it's a very sad story for this region especially in the economy a a re <hes> area and the bill while i think another complicated the effects is the the worst and wasn't the worst bilateral between japan our pay also affected <hes> began to affect more of them all about the security traditions that by the united states <hes> <hes> <hes> japan and south korea so e shot the friction between <hes> the complex of friction between japan are okay <hes> greedy producer very complicated facts in quite daily the area's industry region. I see thank you dr young. She research fellow fallow with china institute of international studies. This is world today. Stay with us what matters to china increasingly matters to the world keep up to to date with the latest news and events about the middle kingdom with the china plus up to the minute reports live streaming audio insightful opinion on everything china related facts figures and language learning resources at your fingertips everything in focus all in one place search for china plus in the app store or google play welcome back. You're listening to the world today. I'm doing the editorial board of the wall street. Journal warned the trump administration that mistakes in trade policy could turn the u._s. economic slowdown into recession. The article titled a navarro recession recession referring to what house trade advisor peter navarro. The editorial came after several media reports imply that u._s. president donald trump recently overruled rolled all of us economic advisers are then navarro when he decided to impose an additional ten percent tariff on three hundred billion dollars worth of chinese skews who's starting on september the first year bus economic growth slow to two point one percent in the second quarter of this year partly due to escalating trade tensions marking a sharp slowdown from three point one percent expansion in the previous quarter for more on this my colleague john spoke who has low balled shown professor was university the city of international business and economics and einer tongue in author and columnist bochum first of all. What is your assessment of the current status quo has has the trade tension escalated and how has it enter into a new stage. It seems that a a the trade negotiation has been very much entangled more politically thing economically so trauma racing is <hes> high a. I still remain resolved to echo this issue <hes> so jeopardy of his own economy or the the counterparts and he really wanted to show <hes> victory although not easily won right now during the election season he wanted to show oh to americans that he delivered promise but so far they didn't really score very high over all the company promises so the medically is fighting with many other institutions does not really have a a lot of supporters around him. <hes> apart from i'm peter navarro <hes> right now. He's also fiercely. Fighting was the with the fete <hes> so to to lower the the interest rate in order to show short-term good picture for the economy so at the moment we do not really see that that can be a possible ospel solution. Even the september meeting does take place. <hes> china is also very determined to take take to his principal so we do not really see much of the whole and where is really starting so far well about channel so lawrence warren summers of former u._s. Treasury secretary said that in the u._s. recession risks is much higher than it needs to be and much higher than it was two two months ago so what's your take on that. Why is it well. I shouldn't say it is still the us. Economy is still a rather is at the moment because the unemployment rate is extremely low is considered by food definition full employment <hes> and <hes> the inflation target is still <hes> maintained below two percent but the problem is that the growth rate has not really near hear what the trump has really promised does <hes> stay around a two percent instead of three or of <hes> also trade deficit is it <hes> saw widened a great deal despite has <hes> all efforts to try to reduce the deficit and <hes> right now the capital spending is also their low <hes> so that means that long term wealth is not really warranted and <hes> the manufacturing manufacturing jobs are still a positive despite the service sector is really increasing in the job openings so it's really you have very mixed picture <hes> right now. I think trump is trying to take this exact moment while u._s. Economy me a still he considers strong enough so he can really threaten other economists to surrender to piss terms but that's a far higher risk than hanes administration has anticipated <hes> but both on some economy says even this escalating trade tensions also also nudging the world economy was his first a recession in a decade so do you agree with them which dragged the global economy doll. Definitely you know the two way economies of fighting with each other with no hope to conclude the deal in a foreseeable future can be highly disruptive to the global supply chain and also to global financial marketplace so if you look at the stocks on both sides of the pacific they are very gibberish and <hes> right now is investors are holding back their they are money and the the are not really willing to invest in long-term particularly on in a manner factor actor or really economy and also so that <hes> businesses trying to relocate or at least making plans to re allocate their manufacturing sites which can be very costly the face a lot more uncertainties. You know other economists are really part of the supply chain are really victims over that although although some smaller economies like van or combodia may benefit for a short term but <hes> global trade is brother leumi and it's also you know the trouble going on europe with brexit so you know it's really a troubled water that is being rated. <hes> had it by the trauma station and also another thing is that they are might be <hes> currency rate depreciation going on whereas says <hes> many of the many those <hes> economies do not really few secure enough to ensure a steady growth so <hes> that that make trigger another war of currency rates so i know the latest setback hits the german industrial production which in june <hes> registered his biggest annual decline almost a decade. This is highlighting the severity of a manufacturing slump in europe's largest economy so what's the status quo of manufacturing industry globally and why is it showing signs of weakness well. It's worst three years and for many of the reasons that the professor has stated which is <hes> uncertainty. People don't know what's going on and but i'm going to disagree with little bit about the where the u._s. In terms of actual strength <hes> a labor department report has indicated that many people are taking second jobs just to make ends meet so there are more jobs available all right but it's not necessarily increasing the worker participation rate so this is why you don't see these wage rises. This is why you don't see inflation and also why you're not seeing productivity rises plus you know if they look at the last numbers that were put out by the by the u._s. On the economy. Everything was down including manufacturing the only things our government spending and consumer spending and the consumer spending came in much higher but the problem is real wage growth has not reached the point where this is sustainable so if i'm spending a lot now it just means is that i won't have it later so and plus the effect of the tariffs which is expected to be about eight hundred fifty. That's existing at another four fifty three fifty. If they put on additional ones this could really really hurt american families and really <hes> pushed the u._s. recession in terms of germany forty percents of there <hes> output. I mean exports. I mean puerto g._d._p. Is judah exports a manufacturing slowdown. We'll have a massive. <hes> accelerated accelerated effect on the german economy and this is <hes>. It's one of the leading <hes> you know components of the e._u. In terms of economic growth if if that goes down it pushes the overall e you interest session. England is already basically there. There's no good news on the horizon so there's no reason to not expect that we'll go in. I mean the wall street. <hes> i mean larry summers said it's a fifty fifty chance that will be recession within twelve months. <hes> the the <hes> economists has said nine months so and that is if these <hes> terrorists continue so there's a lot of very pessimistic thinking out there that is backed backed by a lot of data. That's telling gone author and columnist and knew about him. Professor was university of international business and economics speaking was sierra john. You're listening to the world today. I'm joing conspiracy theories oregon and momentum after the deaths of jeffrey absent at a federal jail in new york some suspect the financers steps was not a suicide afternoons ties was president donald trump former president bill clinton and britain's prince andrew are at the center of unsubstantiated online rumors and theories absent was arrested last month on sexual crimes allegations. The multi-millionaire had pledged not guilty and awaiting trial next year joining us now in the city was my colleague john so could you give us a brief recap of how his dad's occurred and perhaps how we got to this point yeah so basically last long love federal prosecutors in new york unsealed a case in which apps dying was accused of having paid sacks was girls as young as fourteen being at different locations and those sexual intercourse is happened betraying the year or two thousand and two thousand five there was something like a a trafficking ring that somehow helped out stein gain access chew and then half sack's was teenage girls. Actually he wants face to similar cassation in florida back in the year two thousand seven but according to local media in miami he signed a plea deal was states prosecutors which allowed him to avoid federal judges and police guilty to some lesser states level prosecution charges. Now was indictments unsealed in new york. Last among he was facing some new chargers he had asked for bail to allow him to stay under house arrest but the request was rejected so he was held adds to metropolitan correctional center in new york so one thing people are questioning whether the death was indeed as the authorities. This claim a suicide and if this was a suicide. Why was it not prevented by putting him on suicide. Watch yeah. I think <hes> the idea that this was a murder. Not a suicide is appealing to fear to conspiracy theory theoretical but really on the other hand. There is a lack of hard alvin suggesting that was true as to the suicide watch indeed. He was temporarily put on a suicide watch last month. After some injuries were found on his neck. The injuries were not serious. It was unclear whether there was self inflicted or caused by other people's assaults agstar they have told authorities that he had been beaten up and called a trout perimeter but at present who have no way to verify whether davos chew and then after going through some daily psychological assessments for some periods he was taken off the suicide. Watch at the end of last month like you said et cetera practice. We're on the other hand doesn't look to be too problematic in american jails suicide watch usually lasts. Only one with today's because resources are limited butting this particular case. It actually lasted more than a week so still many people are questioning say. It is just ridiculous that he was taken off the watch. Well like you said earlier. Absent phased similar accusations in florida back in two thousand seven but he signed a deal was state prosecutors theaters which allowed him to plead guilty to lesser charges. Why was it possible for such a deal to be made at that time yeah. This is another key question in this this case basically the plea deal. We're talking about here granted him some kind of immunity from criminal charges in the conviction back then he was guilty of soliciting listen prostitution including wong a minor he was sentenced to eighteen months in jail in two thousand eight however during his entire gerald term he was actually actually permitted to leave for work five days a week and he was released a five-month earlier so probably there was corruption behind us plea deal. There were are now separate investigations into how authorities doubt westie case more than a decade ago u._s. Labor secretary alexandra starr actual resigned resigned last among with youtube suspicion that he might have plates some kind of role in brooklyn deal because he was attorney in miami at the time still the deaths of gaps in men's the federal criminal case against him as of of course over a bit as this man they entire investigations over. I i think the car is situation is vinyl means something like everything is over. When some accusers heard of heard of his staff over the weekends the reaction the action was really a combination of mixed feelings because on one hand they work rates fall that such a guy would never harm anybody again but only on a hands they were just angry that there will be no chance for them to see him answer for his conduct and because they have you know struggle for so many years to seek justice justice but from a legal perspective they are some other ways are actually opened for accusers to pursue justice for example they can pursue civil cases against the real estate's of apps stein. He owned properties in manhattan impound beach in new mexico in paris risk. He also has a private islands in the caribbean so these are places from which accusers can seek economic compensation okay. Thank you ding hon. That's all the time we have for this edition of world today to listen to this episode again wrote to catch up on previous episodes. 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Salty Erotica of the Deep

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Salty Erotica of the Deep

"Own MG. Yes dot com does large-scale peer reviewed scientific research about what's sexually pleasurable for women and turns the findings into beautiful videos and animations until OMG. Yes. Sexual touch techniques hadn't gotten funding because of out data taboos OMG. Yes, funded the studies themselves in order to replace miss and misinformation with a fascinating truths about what feels good for different women, and why stay curious and get ten dollars off by going to g yes dot com slash minds. It's Monday may thirteenth twenty nineteen. And you're listening to enquiring binds. I'm enjoying the Scotus each week. We bring you a new in depth exploration of the space for science, politics and society, collide, we endeavor to find out. What's true what's left to discover? And why it all matters. You can find us online at enquiring dot show on Twitter at enquiring show and on Facebook. You can also get an ad free version of this show by supporting us at patriot dot com slash inquiry mines and guide to the show on itunes or any other podcasting. This week's big news includes the release of a report from the United Nations. It's by the intergovernmental science policy platform on biodiversity and ecosystem services and the news is not good. The full report won't be released until later in the year. But this summary suggests that because of human activity over a million species plants and animals are now potentially facing extinction. Over the next few decades. That's a bigger number than ever known in human history of the total eight million estimated species on earth twelve point five could go extinct over the next. Few decades. Ten percent of insects forty percent of amphibians and thirty three percent of reef corals sharks and marine mammals the oceans cover more of our planet than anything else. And they are also among the most threatened thirty three percent of fish, stocks are harvested at levels that are not sustainable fifty percent of the total coral reef surface area has been. In lost since the eighteen seventies. We've lost eighty five percent of our wetlands since the seventeen hundreds and already fifty five percent of our ocean is covered by industrial fishing. The problem is only going to get worse as climate change threatens our own species, and we need to look to the seas for food. So this week. I wanted to revisit an interview with Mera heart. She's a marine biologist and one of her goals is to help build a sustainable future for people and the sea and since so many marine mammals are facing extinction. They better start having sex. And so her first book sex in the sea published in two thousand sixteen might provide some of the solutions that we are looking for when facing this incredibly large problem. Welcome to enquiring minds, Mara heart. Hi there. Thanks for having me. All right. So let's start with one of the major problems in the ocean that, you know, a lot of our listeners might be able to relate to and that's it's sometimes hard to find someone to do it with. This is true, especially. Because the oceans are about ninety nine percent of the living habitat on earth. So to find a date or a mate, and all that blue is can be a big challenge and animals have come up with all sorts of different tactics in order to do. So from the smallest to the largest so that's kind of an amazing figure ninety nine percent. So that means that of all the habitable space on earth. The vast majority of it is in water or in the oceans, it's in the oceans, and that's because of the huge amount of depth, right? The oceans are a three D habitat. And we get a little of that on land with something like a forest where you can live up in the tree tops and kind of in the middle and the bottom. But really when you get into the air. There's there's nobody up there really taking advantage of all that space. Whereas in the oceans it's full from bottom to top. So that means if I'm a little fish. I not only have to worry about finding someone in the hawk. Horizontal sort of space spatial direction, but also up and down. Yeah. And so imagine you're a blue whale, for example, biggest animal to live on earth. But in the oceans, you're still very very small little dude swimming around, and you could be swimming over some potential mates and not even know it in less. You employ some certain tactics to help you kind of hone in on who else is out there, and who might be willing to engage with you. So let's start with a blue whale the biggest animal on our planet. And you know, there are that many of them, right? Correct. They're coming back though. Which is oh, that's good news. So if I'm a blue whale how often do I mate, and how do I find someone? So it's really good question. In terms of how often I think that's still something researchers are trying to figure out blue whales are different than some of the other species. At folks might be more familiar with such as humpback whales who gather yearly to mate on agregation grounds. So they go to meeting grounds. A known location once a year, and they all get it on. So that that's like speed dating like speed dating. Yup. And with blue whales, it's different. The males literally have to roam around the entire ocean basin trying to find these groups of females who are also roving around. So I think most females because they have long reproductive cycles. Kind of like us. They're probably only meeting once every one to two to three years in sperm whales. It's every five to eight years per for one female, so it's a really long cycle. So for these males. It's a tar defined female on hard to find a female who is receptive in at the point where she can actually get pregnant where the if you're a sperm whale. You can go five to eight years without having sex for the females. Yeah. What about the males? I mean, do they do they is it kind of a one to one thing or are the males? The males will be trying to get it on with however, many females they can find as often as possible. Do we know how successful they are? Well, they are somewhat success. Awful. But I think this is again, this is an area that we really don't know that much about nobody's ever seen to sperm whales. Mating. Nobody's ever seen to blue ELS meeting. Really? Yeah. Absolutely. Because it so how do we know? So some of it comes from their anatomy understanding, their they're different proportions. So it's really really cool studies that you can do in this happens for all animals when a male has a particularly large set of testees, right? So giant Kahane's? It tends indicate that they're producing a lot of sperm, and there's a reason for that. Right. Sperm takes energy to make. Why would you make so much? We think that it's when you're in a system where you're competing where a female is meeting in close succession with many males. And basically what happens is her reproductive track becomes a battleground and those sperm are not only racing each other to get to the Ag. But they're having to race against other male sperm and for male the best thing or one of the best tactics. You can use to try to win that battle is to just produce copious amounts of sperms that when you meet with that female, you are flooding her her tracked pushing all the other wiggles out of the way and getting your guys up this far. As you can towards the cervix and yet, so we see this in some wheels species where we know there's a lot of competition going on best example of that is like North Atlantic right whales their very injured. There's only about three hundred left, but they're also extremely frisky. And they make all year round. Even when we know the females camp, we don't think can be getting pregnant because they all birth at the same time of year. So there's a certain cycle like us. It takes a certain amount of time. So if they're all berthing at the same time, it's likely that they can only get pregnant in a certain window. They are still having sex year round. So that some evidence that those animals are enjoying it. Well, you know, this is where there's some fuzzy lines. We know in dolphin species that they do have sex all sorts of ways any which way with male males. And with juveniles where definitely reproduction is not the purpose. And it's likely that this is some sort of social dominance. It's a way for them to establish kind of rank within the group with the whales. I, you know, to be honest. I don't know with right whales. I have not heard or spoken to anyone who has mentioned that that's sort of the the intention is for dominance. Instead, it really does look like they're just playing and frolicking and enjoying this. And by dominance are being a little you mean rape me in some cases. It's definitely aggressive for sure in dolphins, especially the mail mail. It can be pretty pretty intense, and it's likely to show power and dominate male male. Oh, yeah. Mail mail. They'll do again, they'll do it with juveniles of both sexes. They will use their noses to. Poke around a bit what? Yep. Dolphins have been dolphins are a Randy bunch and already aggressive with their sexual displays. And we probably know that because we've observed it, but we're just guessing then about the blue whale, correct? And again, so we rely on things like anatomy to help inform. You know, what we think is going on until we go back to the right whale. We know there's all of this activity. They're having lots of sex, and we often see what's known as these surface active groups, and this is where you see a female come up to the surface and she's surrounded by males. And they're they're rolling and frolicking, and it's pretty clear that they're sexual activity going on. They have the Atlantic male clinic right whales North Atlantic. Right whales have the largest testees on the planet in total volume as well as proportionately so they're much smaller than a blue whale and their package is about ten times bigger. It is a half ton testees each one ton thousand kilograms. Wow of. Sperm factory going on inside these these males. They are also the only species of whale where we have literally witnessed a double penetration. So one female rolled onto her back and researchers were out in the field. They were tagging these animals they were watching another male came up on onto one side of her and Philip Lottman. Dr Filip Clapman is one of the researchers who relayed the story to me he was on the boat. And he said, you know, someone yelled out Pena's, and this is somewhat common that they'll see you know, sort of this activity in this giant pink Fallas whoops up in enters the female. But then someone went oh my God. There's another one they looked out. And sure enough this other male had come up on her other side and looped his giants. You've got basically like the golden arches pink penises entering into this female, and these are like eight foot long schlongs, right? This is big tackle. But. When you have double penetration length that true threesome that is about as intense sperm competition as you can get. So that's why they make these huge huge testes in reproducing all this Spartan because they're literally having to compete with other males at the same time. Boy, but the female has two vaginas. Nope. Just one so. So. Yeah. Just one. Yeah. It's pretty intense. It just they just sort of squeezed their way in there. Yeah. It is the other thing that's really cool with Wales is that the female's reproductive tracts are really diverse, and this is work being done by a researcher named Dr Sarah, neck, and her colleague Dera Orbach, and they've been studying whales and dolphins with some of the smaller ones and looking at the shape and sort of structures of of the female, and they finding that in some female species. The the vaginas are very they're like tubes. They're just really straight. They're really simple easy for sperm to get from point A to point B. Other ones are an obstacle course. There's flaps enfold and blind alleys dead ends. I mean, you name it all sorts of trickery going on when why? So so they're trying to figure this out. And documenting said to me at one point she said when I when she first opened to do a lot of this study through dissection when they first looked at. One of these structures the reproductive tract. She's like, oh my God. Like, how does the sperm find the cervix without a GPS? This is insane. So the think and again, this is all being sorted out right now. But again, this is a way that a female would actually maintain some control over who is getting to her eggs in a system where she's basically being forced to meet with a lot of males. Like if she if she can't not engage in those sexual advances. Again, if the males are pretty aggressive in our forcing copulation, this is sort of evolution sway of the female having a little bit to say after sex. So do you think she can control these can she actually shut that we it's possible? Again, this is like really new research. They're still coming up with it. But they think through potentially muscular contractions or secretions that there may be ways that the females having a bit more influence than than we than we think or it could just be that it's another level of selection. In that only the strongest toughest sperm that can actually survive and check out all these different pathways and find their way through this maze. Actually, get there that might be a way of screening for hardier sperm which would have better genes and so on so it's still up in the air. Exactly. How it works? But given that all whales don't have this. It's likely that it serves a purpose, you know, for for these females, and it's likely that it's in these systems where they are unable to control who's gaining access to their bodies. You know, initially and Sarah says home field advantages for the females the end of the day that last whether it's a few centimeters or a couple of inches or a few feet in the case of giant whale. She she gets to say, you know, what's going on in their this makes me wonder if some of our GOP spokespeople. People are actually in biology. Anyway. All right. So we have some idea then maybe about what's going on in some of the biggest animals in the ocean. And of course, they have the problem that there's fewer of them. So that's hard to find. But they're big. We also have the problem that they're the tiniest animals in the ocean. Also have to mate is there is it is their plight easier because there's so many of them or do they also have similar problems? They have similar problems to COPA pods are great example of this. So Kopa pods are tiny little crustaceans cousins of shrimp crabs that really are a major link in the food chain between the microscopic plants the the final plankton that fuel the oceans food web. They link between them, and sort of the higher fish sort of fish, larvae crab larvae that then feed the fish that then feed us so there are really really critical link, but they're tiny. They range from the size of a poppy seed to maybe your thumbnail. So they have to find one another and really reproduce an enormous number. Offers in order to maintain their populations, and we know to maintain all the animals that feed on them. So they have to they have to have enormous numbers of children each one of them each because the ocean is so vast and the there's so much ground to cover. Well, we know that they're having that many. And we know that they're having tons of babies and being able to reproduce in huge numbers simply because so many animals are relying on them. So when you have something the size of whale that eats COPA pods in his sustained by Cova pods, which are so tiny. They're just has the has to be enormous abundances in order for them to be able to do that. So they lay a fair number of eggs. So they are pretty fa- conned as we would say, but they also have to be the males are going around in meeting with as many females as they can now in some species, a female only mate once and other species, she'll meet multiple times. But if you imagine these animals are looking for each other in this giant ocean. And they for some species only have a few months or a few weeks to live their lifespan so Yuccas ticking. They gotta get somebody quick. Yeah. So they do what a lot of us do when we're looking for a mate as they go to a singles bar now in the ocean. The copepod singles bars are basically these these very thin sections of water that sit between two layers in the way, I like to describe it as instead of thinking of the ocean is a giant uniform pool of blue. It's actually more like a layer cake and their sections of the water that are warmer and colder saltier fresher, and they swirl around and in where these two bodies of water will meet they stack up in this layer forms in between that we call a boundary layer water does not like to cross that boundary. If it's warm. It stays in the warm layer if it's cold it stays in the cold layer. So you actually get a very stable sort of thin area and the COPA pods can feel this. They're very sensitive. So for them when they when they go through different bodies. Of water these different layers. It's as if we were feeling silk and then quarter, ROY and then cotton it gets very clear to them. Like, okay, we're moving along here. So they can detect when they're in these layers, and there's two things that they do one is they will aggregate, they'll swim up to find one of these layers. And then they'll stay in that layer. So that helps concentrate their numbers and make it more likely for them to bump into each other. The second thing is COPA PAZ being really small water feels and acts completely differently for them. So when they swim through the ocean, it's as if we were swimming through a pool of molasses water. It's thick it's sticky, and they literally are digging their way through which is really kind of hard for us to conceive. But it's what happens when you get to life lived at very very small scales. So as they dig their way through especially the females it leaves, it leaves a trail leaves like footprints in the snow, and there's wonderful researcher named Dr Ginette Yan. Who's down at Georgia Tech? She studies COPA pod movement. She says the females leave these sort of envelopes, and then the spritz a many species will split some fair in there. So it's like she's leaving this scented love trail for the males to come and encounter, and again because this is happening in these boundary layers where the water's very very stable it it allows for those trails to last a little bit longer. So again that increases the odds that the mail is going as he swimming around to hit one of those trails, and then he goes through this wonderful sort of acrobatic spin process, where he'll he'll spin around in he'll honing on the direction based on that gradient of of the trail and know how to follow her and he'll just zoom up the trail. And then he tries to sort of jump onto the female, sometimes a female is willing. Sometimes she's not there's definitely cases where we see the female jumping out of the way or where when the poor male finally gets onto her. It's like a bucking Bronco. And she's doing everything she can shake them off. We have. No, not sure if this is her way of like testing, his strength and endurance or whether she really just does not want this to happen. And then, but then if all goes, well only hangs on he'll insert, you know, his his manly parts into her and transfer sperm packet and her exile down the road, get fertilized and off they go. And as soon as he's done that he then goes on to look for another female, and then again, the female depending on the species that might be it. She just gets one one shot and she's done or some some females will mate again if they have within that species. So in in your book, you you have a great analogy for how we can put this into perspective about this. How difficult this task? Is you talk about standing at the top of a building. Yeah. So so they can host these males their ability to sense where these females are is amazing. It says if we were standing on top of John. Like sixty storey building and being able to kind of sniff the scent of the perfume of your date walking by on the street below and then being able to just dive bomb, basically down on into her and get the job done of amazing. And it kind of makes me wonder if you're a marine biologist, and you're studying these species like do you just hang out in the ocean? And you're diving the year like how do you find like how do you observe the? So it's it's really neat. So again, Dr Yan her lab has some really cool setups in social collect COPA pods from the wild and bring them back, and they'll run all sorts of experiments and in. I it's amazing what she can do. She'll set up these cameras slow motion cameras because this all again happening really fast when you see a male hone in on a female. It's it's like lightning. He just boom sinks on sinks in on that trail. He's wasted. No time, but she has wonderful slow-motion cameras. That capture and are able to to show if you were to put a trail of female through the water, she'll she'll mimic that trail, and that sent using moans, and then the mail they can record when he swimming. What happens as soon as he hits one of those trails and watch how he zooms up at and how he sensing it so many of these things with animals at COPA pods. You can have it in the lab for big whales. Like, we were talking about the blue whales much of it is done again through observation from the surface to the best of our ability and for species that are, you know, frolicking openly like right whales. We can see that for things like blue whales, it's more indirect. So for example, by looking at their anatomy, we can tell that for blue whales. They're probably not as as much sperm competition going on again. Their testes aren't proportionately super super enormous. Their penises are the largest on the planet. But there about twelve feet, but proportions. Is about the same as us. It's not, you know, two ridiculous. But we also one of the neat things that we've seen with blue whales is through their song. So that's a huge way that we understand a lot of information about Wales is because they sing males just the male sing. So they're all Barry Manilow. They are all berry mental os. And in blue whales. They're actually starting to get more like Barry white, which is really fun. So what's happened is again as you mentioned blue ELS? There are not that many. But there used to be far fewer back in the twentieth century. They were severely over hunted in the Southern Ocean. Ninety five percent of the population was wiped out at that time, a male's job or primary concern was just finding a female just basically calling out as loudly as he could to try to figure out where she is. Now, what's happened over the last few decades is we've noticed that the whale songs. The males are singing lower and lower and lower. They're dropping the pitch of their song. It's dropped by over thirty percent, which is a pretty big shift, and this has happened worldwide. And we're still trying to figure out what's going on. But some of the researchers who are studying this have said, well, you know, the population of blue hills has actually started to recover to great conservation story that we put this moratorium on on wailing in place and lo and behold, you don't kill them. They start to breed and reproduce and come back, which is great and with that recovery. Now, it's likely that the blue hills don't have to work quite as hard to find the females, but they're now having to probably start to compete, and we know that across the animal kingdom deeper voices are sexier across the animal. King cross from koalas to blue whales to us females gopher a deeper male voice, and this is because a larger male can produce a deeper sound. And in general, bigger was better in terms of protecting your young or territory. For us. I think it's just a sort of an evolutionary leftover that we haven't gotten rid of yet. 'cause you're just walking around the size matters. Yeah. Well, see that's the thing. Right success in size for us the little trickier these days, so, but it seems to hold, and we think that it's a way for these blue L males to show off their stature, and that can be either to intimidate competiting, competing males, or it can be that they're trying to attract the females and sort of convinced them there the guy who's who's got the biggest biggest Braun and is the one that she should go for. OMG? Yes dot com does large-scale peer reviewed scientific research about what sexually pleasurable for women and turns the findings into beautiful evidence based videos and animations we've been talking about sex in the sea. But there are things that you can do right here on land. They can make it more pleasurable for women sexual technique is one of those topics where even curious people tend to think they already know all they're ever gonna know, which is unfortunate by blunting our curiosity. It becomes a self-fulfilling. Prophecy. We explore less. 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So I would have thought, you know, not knowing anything about Blue Wave reduce that maybe the lower frequencies travel further the way, they do like you can hear the base of the party next door gets sound in the sea is the physics get a little bit funky. And it's true that a lower tone does travel further, but it's also quieter. So there's sort of this sweet spot where a slightly higher pitch actually has more volume. And to be honest. I had a wonderful professor named John Hildebrand who's an expert in whale sound. Explain this to be multiple times and walked me through it. And I will defer to him to explain how how that exactly works. But that was part of the trick. Is that a likely we're projecting at this slightly higher pitch because in ocean actually did project. Further because it was a louder with. Intuitive. But maybe the distance are so great that you have to worry about dissipation know that you. Yeah. Yeah. So so all right. So we've kind of talked about the problem finding a mate. Yes. We've talked a little bit about some of the solutions that like now, I sort of any any time. I want to say that somebody has big balls. I'm just gonna say that's right whale. Right. That I will act like a right whale. And. But what I wanted to talk a little bit more about let's get it down into the sex. So how do these, you know, what are some of the most interesting stories that you heard about about how these animals solve this reproductive problem? How do they actually have sex? Well, there's there's two basic ways you have internal and external right? So internal fertilizers or like us. There's going to be some sort of a male reproductive organ or part that inserts into or onto the female. And then there is external. So we can't have this doesn't happen on land. But in the sea because there's all this lovely, warm, salt, water environment, sperm and eggs. Don't dry out. So species Kim just release their eats the sperm in the into the water and fertilize ation happens outside their body, which basically means sex in the ocean can be an out of body experience, which is pretty neat now for internal fertilization, you have a whole range of approaches. This is speech. Such as the whales that are mammals. It's also sharks knit also things like squid. So with let's take sharks, for example, sharks are very cool reproductive strategy. They have really diverse you have sharks that lay eggs, you have sharks at live birth. In have in bulk accords and the little pups were born with belly buttons, which really neat. Whole range. But basically, the copulation part looks pretty similar. We think across species, and again, we've only seen this in a handful of species and a lot of it is deduced from what we know about their anatomy. But sharks are double hung the males are born with two class bers class. Bers our organs are at the base of the tail they're extensions of the pelvic fin. And these are they're called intermittent Oregon is the scientific name for all penises anything that sticks into the female to deliver the sperm and so- class birds and sharks because they develop out of the two Finns. There's two of them, and they have this really cool Jackie Latian system. That's just wild. So imagine that you have a cigar. And it's rolled up fin. Mike Reiss, a picture great white shark. This thing's going to be about three feet long. When it's, you know, a full mature adult, and it's basically an extension of the thin that's rolled sort of like a burrito almost and it just creates a groove for the sperm to slide down. So unlike a mammal peanuts where you actually have the Aretha and the sperm going all the way down to the tip and out in sharks the opening where the sperm comes out is up at the base of the tail so you have to get the sperm from the base of the tail and run it down this grooved class Bor in out into the female class per inserts into the female. But there's there's this sort of pathway of this sort of drip system where the sperm slides down the class bird to get to the female in order to increase the flow in the pressure sharks. Have this internal giant sack that runs from their tail all the way up to their gills by their head and they'll fill. Fill up this sack on the one side that they're approaching the female with water. There's a tiny little poor and using muscular contractions can inflate the sack like a balloon, and it sucks all this water in. And then what they do is the male will approach the female he will bite onto her pectoral fin which is like the winglike Finn that sticks out rolls her over, and then he takes his class Bor and inserts it into her genital opening and then he squeezes. And he squeezes those muscles around that water sac, and it shoots the water out by the poor where the sperms coming out and flushes it down. So it's basically like having this giant super soaker water gun that he's saying to kind of increase the flow of his sperm. So that it can run down the class Br to the female while nobody else has an ejaculates lake sharks. Do and it it works. Very well, it gets the Spurs up into into inside the female. And then again, it will progress either to. Relies eggs or it. Oh, fertilize alive live growing young so sharks that and how they get that done. But there are also sharks that practice immaculate conception. There. Are there are so this was really neat. And this is the thing that's so cool with sex in the sea is it is just the research is exploding. So much of what we're finding out is happening because of new technology and new science that's occurring literally as we speak. So just this summer so about six months ago, researchers for the first time where able to use a new genetic technique to go out and sample an endangered species of shark called a what's a Ray actually, a small tooth sawfish. It's not a fish. It's actually a Ray, which is a cousin of shark. This species has been over hunted. It's the one that has that really long nose with the teeth along the sides. So it's been hunted for as a Curio people liked having those swords as sort of a tokens in their homes so severe. Overfished also used in shark fin soup. So it's now under protection, but researchers have been trying to understand what the population numbers are in how they reproduce in one way. They do this is by looking at paternity and maternity tests. So just like in humans how you can test. Somebody's DNA and trace it back to who the father is or who the mother is. You can do the same thing in sharks. And these researchers have used this new genetic technique, and they were taking samples of some of the females that are being caught through this program to to look at in test the species and see how they're doing what they found was there were younger sharks new generation of sharks whose DNA had no male component. There is nothing from a male contributed to to the genetic blueprint of these individuals, which is really weird. Yeah. Yeah. So it turns out the females these mamas who are probably having. Trouble. Finding a mate got tired of waiting around and they're able to using just their own DNA. There's a process called parthenogenesis, which basically means female, reproduction, only female reproduction, and it's this little complicated. But basically the eggs able to split off. And there's this thing called a polar body, and that polar body becomes a matching set of DNA and the two to have fuse and form a unique genetic blueprint, but it's just with the mother's DNA. There's no male input. So they're just females then they can female be birth daughters. But that's it. The daughters are still going to have the problem. So you might actually get to a point where the entire species is female. So this is the thing. So in nature, we know other animals lizards and a couple other animals. We know can do this trick, right? The females can make babies on their own, but they tend to only be one sex that depends on. How the chromosomes lineup but in sharks? It's always females females make only females. So that's a problem. You're going to be after a while that's not going to work. The other issue is that even though there's some mixing it's still only mixing a mother's DNA. So you're diversities lower. You're not actually getting the benefit of that sex provides in terms of bringing to different unique genetic blueprint remixing for a whole novel new DNA. So it's it's a good stopgap seeing that these females are actually reproducing in such an endangered species is actually probably a good thing for the short term. It's putting more individuals out there over the long term. We want them having sex. We need for them to be able to find mates and reproduce in the way, that's a little bit more traditional. So it's it's sort of good news. And that it could help get over the gap and especially for the for the sawfish protections are in place now. So the population does. Look like it's starting to come back. You know, there's no fishing allowed. They're highly highly protected, so this could be a good stopgap. But long-term. Every species even if they can reproduce, the president Genesis every species always eventually turns back to sex because it brings these other benefits for the long term survival. So we've sort of talked about the problem of finding mates. We've talked about some ways in which these animals have devised interesting ways of actually reproducing, and I wanted to talk a little bit about why we should care, and you know, the ocean is vast needs to be populated with fish because we eat the fish, and it has a whole host of other benefits. But you tell one story in the book that made me really feel sad for some species of fish who have are really trying to reproduce a major ways. So these are the fish that are having orgies and that essentially makes them vulnerable to fishing. Yes. Absolutely. So again, we were talking about internal versus external fertilization and for fit most fish species as well as. Corals and seer chins, and tons of other animals in the ocean. They released their sperm and eggs into the water. It's actually how sex I began. That's the oldest form. And when you do that, you magin it's again, a big ocean. So you have this problem of dilution in that the sperm and eggs might not meet up one way to overcome. This is to make sure you're bringing a whole bunch of animals together grouping them up and tight small balls of fish that then all release their game means at the same time. So it's basically a giant orgy in scientific terms. We call this a spawning aggregation, it's a little less racy. But it's basically an orgy and species from tuna to Jack to snapper grouper that we all love to eat reproduce in this fashion. And what happens is through seasonal cues and light cues, they all sort of know where to go, and they kind of aggregate on these very specific locations at the same time in place every year and often is only once a year that they'll do this. So right now on Valentine's. Day. I think the full moon is in about another week. The Nassau grouper will be moving into into the location. Probably starting now as we speak, and they all huddle up and often it's around sort of a big reef outcrop or promontory, and they'll be about three or four days of total bacchanalia may just spun it's Baden's bond with mardi gras. It's told it's my exactly as mardi gras and they knew their timing. And they they do this, and it, and it works really well to boost fertilization rates, but the same cues that allow the fish to find their other fellow fish are the same cues that allow fishers to find the fish, and you imagine that four fishers. This is an unbelievable opportunity very lucrative opportunity to fish out all the biggest individuals of population. That's normally highly dispersed NASA grouper are extremely aggressive territorial fish. It's very rare that you actually find more than one. You know in any one location on a reef you have to sort of search all over the place to find them because they have these home. Territories. But here once a year, you have four thousand fish, literally the entire breeding population of one island that will gather around one spot, and we know this the there's a project called the group or moon project, which is run by scientists out of scripts institution of oceanography and the reef in varmint education foundation, and they're working really closely with the Cayman Islands government. And they've set up listening stations around the island, and they've put their call hydrophones all around the island, and they've tagged fish with little tags at send out a ping. So they can literally track the movement of these fish, and they have found that around little little Cayman island. It literally is every single adult fish goes to this one spot in makes this one giant aggregation and about six or seven years ago fishers discovered this giant spawning aggregation. And within about a year two years Hindle officiers wipe that population down to half took out half the fish while. So these aren't using big factory trawlers. This is artisanal hook in line, you know, small fishing pressure. But it can do a lot of damage very quickly. So these researchers have been working really hard to try to say, you know, when we fish on spawning aggregations, you are doing two things one you're likely taking way more fish than you realize out of the population. Because when you're surrounded by thousands and thousands of fish that are all spawning at the same time. It's really hard to get a sense that you're actually reducing that population. Because it just looks like they're so many fish there. So there's this false sense of abundance. So that's the first thing that makes it tricky. The second thing is the fishing activity itself is likely disrupting a lot of the behaviors that are really critical to cue the spawning. So while we talk about the origins something where they all get together and despond there is coordination. Often, a female is swimming around and she'll make especially in grouper, she'll make these giant arcs where she goes up in the water column in the leading males will trail in after her and she releases her eggs, and then they'll release their sperm. And so there's there's certain behaviors and cues that are likely going on for these fish to understand exactly when to release their eggs, and who they're going to jump in the next jump in the best way to totally. And it's like I mean, it looks like geysers of fish just going off. And so when we fished though, when you introduce mois from the boats and the hook and line, and all these things it likely is disrupting some of those cues, so we're probably not only taking fish out, but reducing the amount of successful reproductive activity. That's happening. Even in those fish who are left. So I like to say that one of the easiest things that we could do even though nothing is ever easy is simply no more fishing on spawning grounds. I mean, it's basically like if what does it don't come knocking. When the bag the Rockin, right? Like, this is when they're getting it on let them do what they're gonna do. And you're going to have an increase in population that then the rest of the year as a Fisher, you'll benefit from and certain countries and regions are now starting to put this into effect realizing that this is really the the crux of where the next generation of fish is coming from. But it's, you know, it's a challenge in the sense that these these fishers this is their livelihood. So we can't just sort of cut them off and not not try to lend some support. So it has to be a coordinated effort that allows some social support to the fishers provides them, I alternative livelihoods, or at least some stopgap for them to get through this time of adjustment until hopefully this populations recover. So it's it gets complicated. But in terms of the conservation side, it's really easy to enforce a closure of a spawning aggregation because again, we know when and where they occur, and it's limited in time and space, so resource wise. It's not that hard to really get good. Closures in place, and it's really important that we do. So I mean, it sounds like a lot of the research that's exploding. Now in terms of understanding how marine life really produces is a critical step towards conserving. It it is. And it's a really exciting time. Because I think that technology is helping us to understand so much more and the research funds, especially these long term studies to really understand what is happening kind of up and inside these more intimate intimate acts. It's really important that we continue that work and some of them are just starting to come to fruition. There's there's been some wonderful studies on sharks, and again, Dr Mesic studies on Wales that's been going on for years just to get enough. Specimens and understand what these elva China's look like, right? This is not easy work to do. So supporting these long term efforts, and then also supporting the technology, a new techniques like these genetic techniques is really sort of allowing us to lift the veil and do more than just sneak a peek at what's happening. Down there. And it sounds like this is a great example of how understanding the basic biology can lead to really, you know, direct changes and applications. Yeah. Absolutely. So one one piece that we didn't talk about is a lot of animals in the ocean are sex changers. Right and many of them get together. And do these these groups bondings as well. And part of what they're doing when they gather this once a year is there actually sussing out how many meals and how many females are there? And for example, parrot fish will do this. They are sex changes. They start as females and then they transitioned to males and this is because they reproduce inheritance. So when they're small it makes sense to be a female and be able to spawn with the mail, and then as you get big enough in brawny enough, you can transition and become a male and take over a harem in gain all the reproductive rewards of having multiple females who you're spending with. But this also means that when we're fishing if we're fishing all the biggest fish, you're also taking out. All the males. Right. So you're skewing the sex ratio without knowing that these Fisher sex changes we can't put management into place that says, hey, we need to not only be counting the number of fish left. But we need to be sexing those fish and making sure that we're not disturbing the ratio. You know, we we have to have the knowledge that this is a sex changing population to know to do that. And we're starting to get that knowledge and be aware that these are things we need to look for and designed better management. So that we can accommodate these strategies and help sort of boost their productivity rather than you know, stifled snuff it out. Well, I want to wish all our listeners a happy Valentine's Day and remind them that Mars book sex in the intimate connection with sex changing fish, romantic lobsters, kinky squid and other salty erotica of the deep there is something for everyone in this book. Absolutely. And it just highlights the fact that we as humans are pretty boring. Yeah. I will I will say that there's a lot to learn in a lot to play with should you? Choose to take the book back to your bedroom. But also I wanted to just warn there is a you do have a warning here at the beginning of the book about shouldn't try some of these ideas at home without the proper. Marine, biology sport, absolutely. Kamara. Thank you so much. You for joining you so much for having realize it also like to thank our supporters on our patriotic campaign, especially David Noel, Charles while Clark Lindgren, Michael gal, goule Stephan Meyer, a wild. Kyle Rohullah Joel Jonathan Wordsley Yushi Lynn, Eric Clark, Jordan Miller. Herring chang. And Shawn Johnson. You can visit our website entering Quiring dot show, and you can support us at patriotair dot com slash enquiring minds and get an ad free version of this show. Find us on Twitter at enquiring show and Facebook, and you can send us comments feedback future. 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President Trump ends news conference after contentious exchange with reporter

Anderson Cooper 360

45:05 min | 4 months ago

President Trump ends news conference after contentious exchange with reporter

"And good evening today. The president said his Rose Garden News. Conference that we have met the moment. And we prevailed. He said this on a day when we crossed a sickening and stunning milestone eighty thousand deaths in the United States. You may recall early in the pandemic estimated that eighty thousand of US would die in this country but that wasn't projected happen until early August. Today's May eleventh more than eighty thousand are dead and the president saying speaking about the American people and similarly his administration as well as well. We prevailed in other words mission accomplished. Or sure sounds like it and sadly we know how that went. We have met the moment. And we prevailed. The president says prevailed past tense. As in it's already happened. It's over prevailed as in we one later the president said he was talking about prevailing on testing. Though he didn't say that at first he also then later said we're making great strides toward total victory at the same time. The president saying we prevailed. He's unable to articulate clear guidance for this country about testing and contact tracing and all the other elements needed to move forward his subverted his own administration's guidelines forty eight states partially reopened or making plans to do so and many of them do not meet his administration's guidelines. The president doesn't seem to be too worried about that anymore. Instead his answers at a formal press briefing in the Rose Garden word first misleading then insulting then he left the president once again repeated align that became something of a sick joke a few weeks ago after he. I said it on a visit to the. Cdc anyone who wants to test can get a test. He said way back then amazingly. He repeated that lie again today and his own people how to correct him right in front of him. His testings are admiral. Br Juror corrected the president. Anyone who needs a test can get one. The Admiral said then. The president ignored that correction and repeated his life once again. If people want to get tested they get tested but for the most part they should want to get tested. There's no reason no reason keeping them honest that's not true now and it has never been true. The president's statements about testing have been all over the place since this crisis began. But were just everybody that we need to test anybody that wants to test. We took over an obsolete broken testing system. There's not a lot of issues with testing. The governors are supposed to do testing. We are lapping the world on testing. We have so much testing. Think you need that kind of testing that much? Testing the notion that everyone needs to be tested is just simply nonsensical. We've done more testing every other country combined so in a way by doing all of this testing we make ourselves. Look I've always said. Testing is somewhat overrated. Something can happen between a test where it's good and then something happens and all of a sudden this is why the whole concept of tests are necessarily great. Protesting certainly is a very important function. And we have prevailed. We have prevailed. The president was also asked questions today about White House. Staff who've tested positive to we know up-to-date Katie Miller the vice president's spokeswoman and wife have top trump aide Stephen Miller also a White House valet the president clearly trying to downplay that this. How can you ensure Americans that it's safe to go to their own workplaces when most secure workplace in the country the White House cannot contain the threat of the corona virus? It's infected some of your own staff. Well when you say sub so we have a person and the person Got Something happened right. After a test was done. Three other people met that person came into relative. Contact very little contact and their self quarantining. That is not exactly not controlling it. Well you can try to downplay it but in a new policy announced today all White House staff are now being ordered to wear mass. In fact you could see them on display at the Rose Garden event today and while any American who wants eight task can't get one. The White House sure seems to be relying on testing when it comes to their own employees. Now of course. The president is downplaying these infections in the White House in the change in mass policy in the White House because it offers evidence that no workplace not even the White House is truly safe it also points the need for adequate testing of employees to at least keep offices and businesses functioning the most graceless moment of today's news conference and that's saying a lot happened at the very end we're reporter from. Cbs tried to ask a reasonable question. Not only shut her down suggesting the Chinese American reporter ask her question to China. He then refused your question from our reporter and shut down. The news conference in kind of Huff said many times that the US is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing us. Why does that matter? Why is this global competition to you? If every day Americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases every day we're losing their lives everywhere in the world and maybe that's a question you should ask China. Don't ask me has China that question. Okay when you ask them that question. You may get a very unusual answer. Yes behind you please Sir. Why are you saying that to me specifically not saying it's specifically to anybody? I'm saying anybody else could nasty question. Please go ahead okay Everybody else please go ahead the back place. It's okay I have two questions this action next place. You call it on me. I did and you didn't respond and I'm calling on CY. Young lady in the back place my colleague can ask. Ladies and gentlemen thank you very much appreciate it. Thank you very much. Joy Now is Kaitlan Collins who is the reporter you saw standing near the mic was called on by the president and politely allowed the reporter to ask a follow up question which is standard practice and then the president clearly in Huff left. Caitlyn. Wh what happened there. I mean the idea that the you know. The president is so flustered and that he flees a press conference. Because you are asking to ask a question when called on is kind of remarkable I've ever been called on and then not allowed to ask a question after that just because I let another reporter follow up. Which is you know as you noted standard operating procedure for these briefings. That's the whole point of following up a question so then the president can't avoid questions he doesn't like or does want to answer by then just calling on another reporter and it was kind of disquiet there. The Rose Garden for a moment for the president turned around and left. There wasn't any applause typically from his guests that he invites sometimes or staffers. And we all just kind of stood there for a moment but clearly the president did not want to continue that exchange that reporter. We had multiple questions he had not called on. Cnn yet about not only testing but also the new mass policy here at the White House. What he's doing going forward and the president just refused to take those questions. It obviously comes at a bad time for this president who is encouraging states to defy the White House's own guidelines and encouraging protest or justify the White House's own guidelines about social distancing the fact that there is now been an outbreak of corona virus to people in the White House close to the president and the vice president just explained the new policy because suddenly it seems like everybody now in the White House is being told to wear a mask and I assume they can be tested. Yes they can't anyone who's interacting with the president senior staffer being but they're kind of letting other people if they want to be tested get tested and that's always so confusing today because obviously the point that many reporters were trying to make. Is that if you can't even control an outbreak here in the in the White House which is actually really small looks big on TV. The West Wing is pretty cramped and pretty small. You know how should other people feel comfortable going back to work when here at the White House you can go and get a test and find out if you have? Corona virus are not within fifteen minutes or less that is not the same luxury afforded to other people. Obviously there is an important in the White House and the president and his top aides. Being able to get tested for the question is how should other people feel comfortable going back to work day? Themselves cannot get tests and it was so interesting in that Rose Garden today before the president abruptly left Anderson because he was saying anyone who wants to test can test the admiral there who was standing to his right. Who's been the one that's really the point? Man on testing so far saying people who need needed test can get a test but then he was making the case about who it is. That needs attest talking about people who are symptomatic. Now that seems to go right in the face of what happened here last week. Which is when the vice president's press secretary was eysenck dramatic? She had tested negative the day before. If she was a regular person she probably wouldn't have been tested the next day but she was tested and then it was positive she had not had any symptoms. And that's the case for more people across the nation is that they do not have symptoms. They're going back to work. How do they know if it's safe for them to go back to work? So that was really the point that so many you'll we're trying to make as the president was talking about ramping up testing and what it's going to look like over the next few weeks so interesting when you see Charlotte in try to convince you of something because a lot of times. What they say is so obviously untrue. But it's also kind of depending on just the brazenness of the lie and is based on the idea that everybody else is a moron and doesn't pick up on the lie when you actually have the president saying yet again. Anyone who wants tests can get one which he said at the. Cdc wasn't true then isn't true today. His own admiral says it's anyone who needs a task can get one with doctors. doctor's recommendation et CETERA. And then he comes out and again just ignores what he just said and just repeats the lie again. I mean it's the most obvious microcosmic example of just the president's strategy to just invent his own history and it'd make up his own facts and a lot of it has to do going back to the beginning of this is that the United States was incredibly slow to roll out. So you still today. Comparing it to South Korea and their numbers obviously South Korea a different population but also they started their testing mature rigorously much earlier on. So they were able to flatten the curve. And that's why they've got a couple of hundred deaths and their country and in the United States as you noted at the beginning show. We've we cross eighty thousand today alone and so comparing those. It's not really the same thing and so that was another point. The president has been making about where we are in to other countries and other nations but a lot of it Anderson has to do. I think we talked to be. We'll going back. The failure and the criticism about the failure of testing is something. That's one of the most sensitive points for the president and that's why I think the way you see him talk about testing the way he does because he is sensitive to that criticism keenly does seem pretty clear that this president views testing as something he is not been encouraging and it seems like at least part of the reason is that he believes more people get tested. The numbers go higher and he knows that or believes that reflects badly on him. I mean he has said that such he even said that last week in the Oval Office with the Iowa Governor. Can Reynolds talking about that? He was saying you know it makes us look worse because the more people you test likely higher numbers they are and that's what we saw so many states including my home state of Alabama struggle with is that they didn't have the capability to do the testing early on so it looked like they didn't have a lot of cases but then when they started doing testing. And as now what you're seeing is a spike in cases actually happening right now because not enough people took it seriously enough early on to stay home and do the things that they needed to do. So you know it is so important and that is why you the health experts known of them have said you know tried to downplay testing or dismiss it or anything like that because they know how critical it's going to be and how much it can change the trajectory of what this looks like over the next several months today. We prevailed on testing. Is it is what the president said Kaitlan Collins? Thanks very much his chief. Medical correspondent Sanjay. Gupta school. You're border and Michael Star Home Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and policy at the University of Minnesota. Sanjay the president's saying we prevailed on when it comes to testing in this nation. I mean based on what you've seen what you know we need. Is that even remotely accurate? I mean I know. Obviously the tests have increased greatly. But they're still a rush to get more test out better test faster test more accurate tests and not. Everybody can get tested right. No sadly you know. We're not yet where we need to be. And I you know I think. Most people recognize this in order to start reopening You know businesses the economy We need to be testing a lot more. We need to figure out you know. Who has the virus? I think the fact that this virus can spread a symptomatically before or or without any symptoms. It complicates things if you could use screening test to test for symptoms and have reasonable confidence. That would be good enough. That would obviously make things a lot easier. That's not the case here. We need to be able to test because people may not have any idea that they are carrying the virus and they are potentially spreading the virus. I also think this idea of continuously comparing the number of test we have to other countries really just I. It's doesn't make any sense it. It doesn't really give us any more information We need to know how many tests we need here and is quite right. I think the fact that we started late an Anderson we you and I talked about this a few months ago. Now if you're going to do these things you're going to stay at home owners place. If you're going to start robust testing all of it makes a bigger difference. If you start earlier we started late. Which is why we have more than a quarter of the world's confirmed cases right now and we're not even five percent of the world's population we've been behind the curve on testing Michael. I'm wondering two things from you. Wear what a what you what you took away from what you heard today out of the White House and also just where you think looking where we are right now tonight on this night where where we are in this pandemic. What is what is looking like to you well. I think Sanjay's really summed it up very well testings critical. We need it. We don't have a system for testing even the test. We have for example. The one they're using it. The White House gives us an unreasonable number of false negatives meaning that even if you were tested you could still be positive infected and we there so we really need to do much much more to complete the entire system of testing in this country. Not just only getting the results but how it's used in terms where we're at. I when I hear the word. We've prevailed That's hard to understand because as I've said before too early in the second inning of this nine inning game You know we have between five to twenty percent of the population this country. That's been infected. Most of the country closer to the five percent range. This virus will not stop transmitting at the level that it is until we get to sixty to seventy percent if you think about all the pain suffering in doubt that we've had all the economic disruption to get from the nowhere to five twenty percent and we still have a long way to go. I don't know how you can talk about prevailing when we still have such a road ahead of us. Gloria from a political standpoint. Does it seem to you that the administration would sort of like two is sort of trying to basically get as much distance between the president and this virus as possible as as possible question death tolls to raise suggestions about questions about death toll? Don't be promoting a testing or or hangups about testing encourage people to go back to work essentially to make deaths from corona virus. Just you know somebody else. I know has made this comparison. I can't even remember where where I read it. I thought it was interesting. Comparison the the idea that essentially the the administration wants to get businesses back up and have whoever dies from crow virus. Just be deaths like school shootings. Just things that happen. That people say you know thoughts and prayers. But there's nothing that can be done about it. This is a president who is living in an alternate universe right now and the universe. That he is living in is saying okay. The Corona virus is going to be behind US really soon. We're going to get back to normal and the phrase that really struck me today under senators press conference was he talked about a transition to greatness. Think about that. What that means is that okay now that we're opening up the country now that we're getting past all of this. We're going to be great again. This is you know this is my plan to let the American people know that I'm in charge and everything's GonNa be fine but don't forget. This is also an administration who promised to have twenty seven million tests by the end of March. That didn't happen so the question is at this point. Will the American public believe the messages that are coming out of the White House right now on testing particularly what they see going on inside the White House itself right now with people getting tested and then getting retested and people showing that they are positive for the virus? CaN'T BE CONTROLLED. They're how can it be controlled anywhere? So it's a really strange message. He's delivering right now and a little too rosy particularly for a lot of those governors in states who are slower about opening up. Michael the idea that you know the. We're not going to get to a place where everybody can be tested every single day at work. And you know that's not going to happen just logistically. So what would it look like to have enough tests that? What would that look like? Well first of all we have to have we call smart testing. You know when people ask Willie Sutton Way Rob banks because that's where the money is. We need to be testing everyone who has any clinical signs or symptoms. That could have this disease. That's what we're going to find the most important activity In terms of what's happening with spread next donated vehicle to test healthcare workers or first responders who were having contact with patients who have made some symptom and we don't know if it's a potential early cove infection. We need to tell people in hospitals that are there and we suspect that they could be infected. But not we'RE NOT HOSPITALIZED FOR COVERT INFECTION. But we want to know so. There is actually a scheme which we can actually prioritize. But we're not in many places in this country even close to getting through just what I just shared with you. So that's where we need to concentrate our testing but eventually expanded. We do need much more expanded testing. You know and I think in Anderson just put context to this When you think about that sixty days ago today this disease was not even the top hundred causes of death in this country this past month it was the number one cause of death. There is no other disease since nineteen eighteen. This done that and we're just getting started in the second inning of this nine inning game so you can understand why we have to have a comprehensive plan for things like testing and so forth. That are so different what we have right now. We're just getting started. Yeah and federal leadership not just a piecemeal state by state approach. Michael Oklahoma appreciate Gloria Borger. Sanjay Stay with US still to come more on the president's confrontation with chinese-american reporter from CBS. That Rose Garden event. Former presidential candidate Andrew Yang. Join me to discuss a lot. More ahead stay with us. We've been talking about the president's news conference state including the way he ended it sparring with a reporter about a very reason after she has a very reasonable question the. Cbs reporter describes herself on her twitter. Account as a chinese-born West Virginia. The president told her to go ask her question to China many times that the US is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing. Why does that matter? Why is this a global competition to you if every everyday Americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases every day while losing the lodge everywhere in the world and maybe that's a question you should ask China. Don't ask me has China. That question okay. When you ask them that question you may get a very unusual answer. Yes behind you. Beyond what Sir. Why are you saying that to me specifically John You? I'm saying it specifically teddy but I'm saying anybody that would ask a nasty question leaves. Go ahead okay Anybody else please. Go ahead the back place. It's okay I have two questions election next place you call it on me. I did and you didn't respond and now I'm calling on CY. Young late in the back place on my colleague can ask. Ladies and gentlemen thank you very much appreciate it. Thank you very much. And he left joining me now. Is CNN political commentator? Andrew Young former president Kennedy was George Joe Biden Andrew. Thanks for being with us. I eat the idea that the president I mean. I don't know if it's say that. He became unhinged or if he left in a half but the idea that he couldn't deal with Caitlin Collins asking him a question and yet again calling a female reporter's question nasty and telling her ass China. I'm wondering what you made of this. Well there was a memo. That went out to Republican political operatives recently Anderson and it said to blame China for the corona virus because distracting the American people from the failings of the trump administration in helping address. This crisis is just about the only way they can put this in some kind of light that would enable him to win in November. So that's out there for everyone to see. And when trump got a question about his administration's handling of the virus he went straight from that playbook he said talk to China blame China the fact that it was a Chinese American reporter serves to further the distraction. Well we have to do this key. But tension what Americans care about which is our health our communities our economic recovery and not distract us off really shoots. It is clearly the playbook I mean obviously early on the trump administration which was in negotiations with With China over trade was praising Chinese leadership of all things appraising try Chinese transparency which was obviously not actually occurring. Now as you say the playbook has been written and the the president is following in trying to make this as much as possible. You know something that they did rather than the failure of his administration the missing month of February where he was hanging out with diamond and silicon talking about miracles happening in this disappearing by by April. That's exactly right where there are very few narratives that he that. Don't call attention to the fact that his administration has mishandled this pandemic in unprecedented ways unthinkable ways. And we're all paying the price or one of the few ways that he can frame. It is saying that this is China's fault. This is a foreign effort and it's US against them instead of saying well we're dealing with this pandemic that experts have warned about four years. And we've dropped the ball. He can't win saying that. We dropped the ball where seeing Greek depression era levels of unemployment thirty million plus jobs that is not a winning case for an incumbent and he knows it so this is one of the things you can draw on that might distract enough voters to give him a path to victory. I don't think it's going to work but it's one reason why I'm thrilled that we're talking about this because we have to call it out every time he tries it. And make sure that this particular play is a total dud. What this reporter was also partly calling out was the president turns everything into I. Don't know if a game is the right way but but into competition with another country where we're he is the only victor where you know. We're we're he wins. Were AMERICA WINS. When in fact you know it's very interesting when you see that mentality play out because you heard him week suggesting that you know more testing means his numbers go up. The numbers of people who are actually infected goes up and that reflects poorly. He believes on his administration on on the United States. It's it's such an odd way of looking at at this and it's clearly I mean if that is the way he's looking at not having so much testing because the numbers will go up and make him look bad. That's a really dangerous thing. We know that we're number one in the world in cases in deaths from the corona virus. And you're right that he likes to frame everything in terms of competition in terms of numbers. Unfortunately here the numbers are disastrous for us all the not just in terms of the cases but also again thirty million plus jobs lost record. Numbers of Americans are trying to figure out where their next paycheck is going to come from so presenting it as zero sum game to me. It is something that they've written out as one of their few recourse but as Americans is not. What's going on in other places? It's what's going on right in our homes. Our local hospitals are communities every single day. Injurying I appreciate your time. Hope you and your family's things safe we being a dad got so freaking pump for you. Thank you so much that I really. It's just extraordinary. It's as you as you well know but it's just incredible calling vice because I don't know what I'm doing anytime I can give you advice as to how to keep them alive. That would be kid. Thank you all right. You take care. There's breaking news ahead on a study done on the drug hydroxy chloroquine and of course president trump has been pushing for krona virus patients and his advisors were pushing. Remember Peter Navarro talking about you know as social scientists. He knows how to read studies. And how great it was. We'll tell you what the new study says. Moment breaking news tonight about a new study on the effectiveness and medical impact of the drug hydroxy corcoran famously pushed by the president For weeks In the pandemic joining him now does. These studies lead researcher. David hold grave. Who's the dean of the School of Public Health State University of New York at Albany? Thank you so much for for being with US David. Your study looked at more than fourteen hundred patients with krona virus. What conclusions did you come? Come to when it comes to using hydroxy chloroquine most. Thank you for him. The Anderson when we've looked at these just over fourteen hundred patients who were living with corona virus were hospitalized in New York We really looked at three questions Did Physicians actually used these drugs where they prescribed or not? And for whom and then. We'll look at three outcomes. outcomes in the basis of In hospital deaths cardiac arrest and normal heart rhythms. And what we found was that adjust for differences in terms of illness upon admission to the hospital and other factors hydroxy chloroquine in with and was not associated with a benefit in terms of the in hospital nor was associated with a benefit in terms of Abnormal heart rhythm when we looked at cardiac arrest what we saw was that the combination of As a three mice and an hydroxy chloroquine did seem to be associated with elevated levels of cardiac arrest. And that was true. Even after we made our statistical adjustment for differences in illness upon it Admission to the hospital so not only was it not effective in in what they hoped it would be effective for. It actually was associated with with more cardiac arrest is that am I. Yes you are Anderson. Exactly in terms of in hospital bathroom. Normal heart rhythm didn't see a significant effect of benefit or a significant effect of harm. But when it comes to cardiac arrest especially for patients who got the combination of these. Two drugs We saw that. There is an elevated level of cardiac arrest and that remain true even if we made these other statistical adjustments for things like patient age and gender and level of illness upon admission to the hospital absolutely again just reminder of the importance of of actual medical professionals being people who discuss medication not politicians. Or newscasters recommending. It isn't saying things like well. It's not GonNa kill you when in fact it's actually associated with elevated cardiac arrest and you point out that your study does have limitations and you write about in your report that we need. We still need clinical trials absolutely. This was an observational study So not a randomized controlled trial in which the researchers would be assigning whether or not By random association who got the drug and who got placebo in our case we did an observational study. Because we thought it was important quickly to look at what was the actual real world experience of Physicians Prescribing. These drugs and bought occurred with their patients. When these prescriptions were made and the kind of observational study we did its weakness is in terms of randoms. Ation not being able to randomize Two different conditions. But its strength is that you can do something in the real world. That's looking in a very timely way and much shorter time period To be able to see what the effects would be. But I think the WanNa take into consideration. What were the findings of our study of other observational studies? That have recently been released. Made the other randomized control trials but also said he was very consistent with recent Fda Statement of drug safety concern for hydroxy chloroquine and it's also very consistent with a recent h treatment guideline on the use of hydroxy chloroquine and is the three Miocene together and AIDS treatment guidelines said. They made the recommendation in a strong way that needed to see some more empirical data and hopefully studies like ours are helping to fill those gaps in terms of some needed empirical information out there. Yeah it's such an important point you make that your is your observational. Say It's not an outlier. It is when you look at it in the context of the other studies that have been done the other advice from the FDA and others it you know it it adds to that and it's so important that sensitive. I really appreciate what you do. Thank you very much for for coming on and talking about it Thank you very much while questions pile up on that drug. The biotech firm regeneration says it expects to begin clinical trials next month of an antibody cocktail that it hopes will prove critical treatment. Not a vaccine. WanNa Bring Sanjay back and also joining us. Dr George Yen Coppola's that companies co founder and chief scientific adviser Dr Yan Coppola's. Thanks so much for being with us. You said that the the antibody testing could actually prevent people from getting the disease. Can you just explain to me how that might work? And how optimistic or if you're optimistic about the the antibody cocktail antibody testing. Let me just remind you what are cocktail. Is We all know when you get a vaccine? That's intended to make you. Immune against the virus. What is immune against the virus? Meets the means that the vaccine is making your body make. Antibodies anti viral antibodies. That will attack and kill the virus. That's why the vaccines are so important. We hope eventually obviously to have a safe and effective vaccine. But we've heard from so many people from Dr Doughty. Those could still be a year or two away. We'll what we've done is over the last many decades we've developed a whole new set of technologies that we've actually invested billions on to make these sort of antibodies antiviral anti outside of the body without a vaccine recombination. It's called grow them in these massive bio reactors purifying and then we give back these. Antibodies just like the antibodies vaccine does but much more potent much more concentrated much more powerful and instantaneously. There would have the opportunity to make somebody immune as if they had been vaccinated but even more powerfully and moreover they can even work where whereas vaccines you can't give them to somebody who's already sick or infected. These things have been shown to actually work in other diseases in cases where people are already sick and in fact it so the reason why there's reason to have a lot of hope for this is because these exact approaches and technology that we invented and we've applied over and over again too many other diseases On the order of ten or so Different antibodies using these approaches. Have been or will soon be approved by the FDA and most notably we use these in the Abullah epidemic and showed rather dramatically that he could save people in the early stages of infection with the ball or even the latest stages. And as we know of Mola much more universally lethal disease than the Kovic that is a Lotta confidence Sunday. It's got some questions as well. Yeah so you take these. Antibodies you give them to somebody. D. Do you have any idea how long that might last? Then in terms of giving them protects vaccine the bodies essentially making antibodies and it may last a long time maybe for the rest of their lives even the protection. What about with this antibody cocktail talking about now? That's a great point. That's why we need both of these approaches vaccines the goal of vaccines is. They may actually make your body. Provide these protective antibodies forever. The the the limitation of our approach is that you will have to take them once a month or once every few months however as we know with vaccines they also have their limitations. They don't tend to work as well. For example in the elderly and the immuno-compromised some the people that are most likely to be affected by this virus whereas giving them these. Antibodies that we're talking about allows those sorts of people to immediately fight against the virus so there's re both we need to have both. We need to have a lot of effort on the vaccine front. For exactly the reasons that you pro- you talk about. You can create herd immunity in a large percentage Latian. But you also need these coaches because they can either immediately cure people or they can actually protect people before vaccine or those people who won't ever be responding well to a vaccine. Wow that's incredibly exciting doctrine topless. I wish we had more time but I really appreciate you coming on. It's it's fascinating work. I look forward to following your progress. Good luck we all need. We all need a lot of luck. Thank you up next very special family reunion in Texas. Dad left his job as an attorney. Volunteers and nurse in New York. City is finally finally out of quarantine back home. Us BANK. Thanks you for going to work and for staying home for treating patients and having patients for being on the front lines while having our backs. Thanks for working together and playing. Podcasts you love. Us Bank can't thank you enough but we can do our part. That's why we have donated millions to help our customers employees and communities in need equal housing lender member FDIC. I'm referee Aubrey Edwards. Johnny Shivani and the boss man himself Tony. Kahn returns to eighty w unrestricted. When we heard the Jordan down we were shutting down to a we needed to tape as much content as include before that shutout listen to aws restricted powered by state farm for free. Wherever you get your podcasts. You may remember last week when we showed you video of a young girl squealing with delight at the television set when she saw a picture of her Dad Dad. She hadn't seen in quite some time. He'd left his family to volunteer as a frontline nurse. Here New York City to treat corona virus patients when he got back to Texas. He couldn't see his family because he was in quarantine. Here's his daughter's reaction. When we showed his picture on the program. Last week World War I that is gracie now she and her mom Dr Gina Molin and your physician. Or United with Gracie's Dad. Jim Mullen and we're very happy that they all join us now. Thank you so much for being with us and as a family. Thank you all for the sacrifice. You made Jim that you went out of your way to do something like this. You're you're you don't even work as a nurse anymore. You're trained as a nurse. You're an attorney is a if my memory serves me correct. Volunteered to come here in a different state. It's just amazing to me that you were willing to do that when you look back on it. Now what do you? What do you think you know? I look back on it as an amazing opportunity. It's something that I'll never forget as long as I live. And now that I've had the opportunity to come home and finally B-be with Agena grace I look at it slightly differently Just because you know you you see how it affects to early leave which seemed so happy home but overall it was it was an unbelievable experience it. I'll never forget Dr Mullins went through your mind first of all when you saw your husband but also when he first told you you know what I'm going to go to New York and do this kind of like in shot and you have a few Selfish lots they go through your mind but At the end of the day I want it to be supportive. And I knew that he had been on the Atlanta and I wanted to Support Him in this grace. is so beautiful and she's just glowing and so adorable wh- gracie. What did you think when he saw your dad come home? Which is in kisses. Yeah happening again. And I also understand the Gracie received a special gift. Is that right something? That data putting dad has been putting Having together yeah. Did you get a dollhouse like it? Yeah you say thank you to Mr Cooper doctrine. Mullen the community outpouring. We're watching again on our TV screens. It's so uplifting to see given what a sobering time this has been and to see people clapping in their windows and banging pots and pans and to the nurses and the doctors. And you've been working in a hospital in in Dallas. What message do you have for those? Who who who came out even decorated their cars to welcome to welcome you guys back to welcome Jim back you know. I think we're just so appreciative. But we don't want to forget that there are so many people out there on the front line. Then get out that we're just two people are trying to serve our country and the people here and so so many people we never say. Thank you to everyone. We just hope everyone continues if they save and continues to take this seriously. Jim just lastly you know those watching right now who may be missing their own loved ones. Who are on the front lines. What message you have for them. And for those. Who are you on the front lines and you know what that's like? What what's your message them. I would say just keep doing unbelievable work that you're doing five minutes before I hopped on this call. I was scrolling through my facebook. Feed saw a patient at the hospital in Queens where I was that Had Been discharged after twenty nine days innovated in forty five days in the hospital. So you know. Your work is making a huge difference and paying dividends for families all over the United States. 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The Manchurian Candidate (1962) Ep. 42

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The Manchurian Candidate (1962) Ep. 42

"I'm max Baril. And this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown classic movie. Well, looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least. We'll talk about what makes these movies classics. Classic movie Musk's releases every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie, viewing plans classic movie must is supported by listeners. Like you. If you want to help support the show, I thank you so much and second head on over to patriot dot com slash classic movie. Musts every patriots subscriber earns cool parks and ways to engage with the show, including the opportunity to vote every month on a movie they'd like to hear discussed on the show. All it takes is one dollars per month. In fact, today's film was selected by our patriots subscribers in our January movie poll, a huge thank you to our current patriot subscribers you make this show possible. You can read about all our support tears and the rewards over pay tr. John dot com slash classic movie. Musts? Thank you for joining me this week. As we discussed the timeless political thriller, the main churry and candidate in this episode. We welcome Mike Emel from the cinema STS podcast to help break down, the politics and artistic qualities of the Manchurian candidate. But first, let's get into this week's opening credits. Our film this week is the Manchurian candidate which was directed by John Frankenheimer, and it was released in nineteen sixty two the Manchurian candidate starts. Frank Sinatra Laurence Harvey and Angela lansbury and also features Janet les and James, Gregory for your streaming ease. The main Cherian candidate is available for rental on itunes, Amazon YouTube and Google play during the Korean war the Soviets capture a US platoon and take it to mention in communist, China three days later, staff sergeant Raymond Shaw. Play by Laurence Harvey and captain Bennett Marco play by Frank Sinatra manage to return to u n lines upon recommendation of the platoons commander kept it Marco Shah is awarded the medal of honor for saving their lives in combat show returns to the US to a hero's. Welcome where he is exploited by his mother, MRs Eleanor Iceland, play by Angela lansbury on b. Behalf of the political career of her husband and Shaw's stepfather United States Senator John Iceland, play by James, Gregory when asked to describe him, Marco and the other soldiers automatically respond. Raymond Shaw is the kindest bravest warmest, most wonderful human being that I've ever known in my life. Even though Shah is in fact, cold sad unsympathetic and a loaner after returning Marco is promoted to major and assigned to army intelligence, but suffers from a recurring nightmare in it, a hypnotist Shaw blithely, and brutally murders. The two missing soldiers before an assembly of military leaders from the communist nations during a practical demonstration of a revolutionary brainwashing technique Marco is compelled to investigate but with no solid evidence to back his claims he fails to receive support from his superior officers. However Marco learns at another soldier from the platoon Allen Mel. Vigne has the same nightmare when Melvin and Marco separately identified the identical to men from their dreams as leading figures in communist governments. Army intelligence agrees to help Marco investigate. Meanwhile, Eleanor drives the ascension of Iceland McCarthy like demagogue, stirring, domestic turmoil and climbing the political ladder based on claims that varying numbers of communists, work within the department of defense. Shaw who broke away from his mother and stepfather immediately upon his return to America is gradually revealed to have been programmed by Russian and Chinese communists to be a sleeper agent who blindly obeys orders without any memory of his actions. His hero ISM was a false memory implanted in the petunias during their brainwashing. In Manchuria his programming is triggered by seeing. The Queen of diamonds card while playing solitaire after being induced by his handlers. Shaw eventually finds happiness when he. Kindles a youthful romance with Jocelyn Jordan, the daughter of liberal Senator Thomas, Jordan, one of his stepfather's political rivals. Eleanor Iceland had previously broken up their relationship. But now facilitates the couple's reunion in order to garner Jordan support for Iceland's bid for vice president although pleased with the match Jordan makes it clear that he will block any effort of Iceland's to seek their party's nomination Jocelyn wearing a Queen of diamonds costume at a party for hurt thrown by the Iceland's, inadvertently trigger Shaw's programming and elopes with him in response to the senators rebuff, MRs Iceland is revealed to be Shaw's American handler triggers him to kill Jordan at his home shooting Jocelyn as well when she happens upon the scene afterwards. Shaw has no knowledge of his actions and his grief stricken when he learns the murders. And then surely discovering the cards role in Shaw's conditioning Marco uses forced deck in an attempt to deep. Program him and reveal his next assignment, which appears imminent, MRs Iceland, primes for son to assassinate their party's presidential nominee at the height of the ongoing political convention. So that Senator Iceland as the vice presidential candidates will become the nominee by default in the uproar. He will immediately seek emergency powers that when elected will MRs Iceland's words, make martial law seem like anarchy. Mrs Iceland tells Shaw that while she had requested a program to Sassan for the task. She never knew it would be her own son who was selected by the communists in order to bind hurt more closely to their 'cause this is Lynn than vows that once in power. She will exact revenge for her sons selection as an assassin Shaw, enters the convention halt disguised as a priest and takes up a sniper's position high in the farthest reaches alarmed by shelves failure to call in. By the appointed time Marco and his supervisor race to the hall to find stop him. When the moment to shoot comes Shah. Instead kills his mother and Senator Iceland when Marco arise an instant later. Shaw tells him he failed to call to prevent anyone from interfering with his change in plans Shaw, then fatally turns the rifle on himself. The main Cherian candidate had a budget of two point two million dollars and a box office hall of seven point seven million adjusted for inflation. It's a budget of roughly eighteen million box office hall of nearly sixty four million. Now, why don't you pass the time with a game of solitaire because it's time for our feature presentation. Joining me for our feature presentation today is Mike Emel host of the cinema podcast and with pike cast name like that, you can tell he, and I are kindred spirits. Mike. Welcome to the show. It's an honor to have you on sir, hunters all mine max like you so much for having me. Now, Mike you were generous and gracious enough to invite me on your show back in November. We chatted about to Hitchcock movies in strangers on a train and the lady vanishes. But any of our listeners who didn't catch that episode. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what you do over on cinema? Because it's a great show as you mentioned you, and I are kind of kindred spirits. We're both very interested in the classic Muc's. So it cinema. What we're doing is. We are taking every episode two movies included in the book one thousand one movies. You must see before you die taken to movies that have some kind of common theme or thread same director or anything like that. And we're just debate. On if we think they really deserve to be considered essential cinema. So as you and I did with those Hitchcock classics they were to train films. We debated on. If we felt they deserve to be viewed as must see movies, but we turn everything over at the end of the episode to the listeners for a two week grace period on our website. We have a poll which offers everybody the chance to vote those movies onto ballistic essential cinema. And at the end of two weeks. We reveal the results if if enough listeners decide there must see movies than we get them on the list, and if not they kind of go by the wayside, and we just had a fun time talking about him. I really appreciated having you on and kinda just of Aloes definitely find to partake, you know, obviously, his listeners of this show. Now, it's primarily episodes with just Mesa being actually have a conversation, and we had a fun little kind of back and forth. Fortunately, we ultimately kind of agreed in the end, and that was a fun show. What are what's your next episode of cinema seats going to be covering? So we were delayed. Has been sick this week. So we just dropped our show on training day in GRANDE Torino yesterday next week. We're still kind of working things out. But it looks like our headliner is going to be eraserhead from David Lynch. Nice. All right. Well, I'll vote for you for sure I can already preview that training day absolutely cinema. I have to add to reflect on grants arena a little bit more. I don't know where you definitely should. I highly recommend if you want a rage. If listeners interested in a rage induced half hour to check out that episode. I did not have a good reaction to grant rano. Okay. All right. Glad I'm not the necessarily. But give us a little preview if the Manchurian candidate our movie today were on your show. How would you vote for Mike? Will it definitely will be on our show at one point. It is in the book, I'm hardcore cinema on this one. This is probably one of my all time favorite conspiracy movies. I think it's the ultimate political thriller. So this is hands down a movie, I think that everybody's got to see. Okay. Well, then then we're talking about it in the right place. Let's let's go ahead and dive on into it as you say. A political thriller conspiracy thriller for the ages. I at the start of of our show every week. I I talk about you know, hoping to highlight both the artistic. Insights, and the kind of the artistic technical side of filmmaking. But also the historical context, and this movie certainly doesn't lack on both sides some weeks. It's a little bit more than the other. And I feel like there's so much to talk about let's start with the political side of things. Would you agree Mike that maybe the politics of this movie tend to kind of maybe overshadow the artistic side a little bit just because they're so strong. For me. I wouldn't necessarily say it's the case. I think it's one of the rare examples where the politics in the craft actually worked pretty well together. I think what this movie's doing in terms of filmmaking technique is always as impressive as saying politically. But I would have to agree with you that the the lasting taste. It leaves in your mouth is definitely one of paranoia and general discomfort with political climate. Yes. Indeed. I agree with you. Where almost I mean, the the politics of the movie are, obviously. So on the knows it's not it's it's not necessarily breaking down that obviously Senator Iceland is is a strong criticism of McCarthy the McCarthyism of fifties. It's it's clearly a Cold War reaction what I find obviously, so astounding. And potentially unfortunate is how much this movie still resonates today in two thousand eighteen not look best do not necessarily looking into kind of tying to our own. Current political state. But at the same time, I think it's what you said, which it's it's the paranoia. And that's what makes this movie so timeless finding that history. If not repeating itself as certainly rhyming this many years later, what do you think? Yeah. One thing I always loved to give in credit candidate credit for. It is. It is always timeless. I feel it was released in sixty two. So it's fifty years old, and I feel that we've gone through the same cycle over and over again. So it wasn't just like these were issues that we had in the post fifties McCarthy era, you know, these issues the popped up again during Vietnam, we had them again the first Gulf war. This movie got remade by Jonathan Demme at the height of the war in Iraq. And now I would say that there's probably a resurgence going on again with in terms of scapegoating. So I always like to give this movie credit for kind of tapping. It's finger into the pulse of what is troubling American society throughout these decades and still managing to seem fresh into approach things in a very entertaining way. I think it in Dr Strangelove or kind of like the only two movies that I think have pulled that off and don't seem to have ever day aged day. Yes, Dr Strangelove if you haven't checked out our episode on that I think it's episode twice. Twenty one offhand is also another another fantastic movie as I said in that I think probably the most the film that most directly taps into the cultural moment of all time, but this movie right up there as well and both films that are say deeply subversive of the Cold War and kind of political climate at the time. It's hard not to say at the end of this that this movie is deeply critical of both sides. If you will this does not paint a picture of the communist communist or ultra liberal side of things which are clearly presented as extremely dangerous and hypocritical. And then you have the kind of ultra conservative side of things as being presented as sensually the same thing. They're traitors. They're essentially equal to the other side. This movie doesn't paint a kind of glamorous picture of of the kind of American ideologies present or or you know, battling to the. Well, that's very interesting because I would say that to my I probably is a little more forgiving of the more liberal side with Thomas Jordan's because they do stand up against the fascist regimes of the is loans chore. No, there's no question that I say that. Of course, you know, they're alternately Thomas. Jordan Senator kill killed ferry unceremoniously and presented as not being able to impact the situation either. So while noble, certainly. When I'm Lee ineffectual Yeltsin ineffectual, and then the the far left. Being the communists the threat. If you will I love the scene, it's a small moment. But I love when when the doctor from the Pavlov institute says he's got to go shopping at Macy's for his wife. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of of that side of things as well. It's a great moment. I'm glad you brought him up because his name I will not pronounce it correctly high day as Dr yet low that is a supporting turn for the ages. I do not understand how the academy could not give this man at least a nomination. It's so good. Thank you for bringing that up. I mean, there's actually quite a few good or excellent supporting performances that one probably the best of all. But he so both scary with while also being just the slightest bit likable at the same time. It's which is all the more disturbing always with humor hallways with humor. I love that look that he gives the Russian doctor when he's like, you know, who should he kill. And he gives them this. Look like what we could kill you right now. Yeah. But. Does his laugh of as you say with always with humor, but going cycling back a little bit to the politics of it and kind of its resonance both then and now and in the many years in between I can't help kind of come back to the idea. I think as you mentioned, the paranoia of this film, the sense of paranoia and suspicion conspiracy is what I think drives so much of the emotional investment that you're watching it. And I think ultimately it's tied to a historical context aspect of it. Which is that. So so prevalent in American mythology is the sense of the free will individual. And this is the movie that calls that into question. Would you agree that I think part of what makes the movie so resonant is creating the sense of paranoia around our sense of free will in regards to our own politics. Absolutely. Because I think this is why the movie manages to age. So well is that I think this actually says some things that we subconsciously to believe about the political machine that we would prefer maybe not stated as blatantly as Manchurian candidate puts it that puppeteer is a threat that we feel in all major political MAC nations, and we worry about who is holding the strings behind the front, man. And so with the eyes Lund's you have this perversely. Grotesque example of somebody who manages to seize power with a bunch of sound and fury. But you know, you see that he is constantly being controlled by his wife in your only later learning that they are controlled by some kind of alliance with this communists, supergroup who has brainwash, Raymond. And that they have the specifically targeted Raymond in order to bind the is closer to their cause. Because they worry what she can do if left to her own devices. So that's kind of their ace in the hole. The Queen of diamonds diamonds. So yeah, what what the movie says about how people are controlled. I think is what makes it so affects you'll because we would like to believe that American hero soldiers who win revolts who spring eight of their comrades out of POW camps acting to their own free will and the movie posits that it's all Assad that everything is a MacIntosh in. It's a a move in chess game to some kind of more sinister end move. And I think that you know, it does that not only through Raymond. But I think a lot of the hoops that Marco has to jump through as well. Nobody is ever really free to make their own decision or be effective as you just mentioned with. Senator Jordan that there. There's always these moves to be made and Manchurian candidates kind of exposes the network of strings that control everybody. Absolutely. I mean, one of I mean, I still rewatching this movie the beginning of it. Which is you know, it's just kind of sets things up. Really, I can't imagine an necessarily even in nineteen sixty two. It's rare that you see these are American troops in a war zone. Get so completely you know outdone right off the bat. Right. I mean, you see the instantaneously these troops are betrayed, and they get taken captive, and it's just that's a loan not something that we're used to seeing or built into our American mythology of war films. And then obviously in the in the sequence, which I'm sure breakdown much more in a moment of the brainwashing. They're already brainwashed. But as you say this sense of free will and this extent, the Dr. Low goes to to show his power getting Raymond shots who murder his to his two comrades comrades. Maybe not the best. Two brothers in arms to fellow soldier is so haunting to watch. And to the extent that these two men don't even fight back because they are also brainwashed. I mean, it just calls everything we believe as Americans and the sense of free will into question, and that of it self is this whole new theater of horror because we're like you set mentioned with all the war movies. We we had gotten to a point in American history where we believed ourselves immensely superior. We're one of the most powerful nations in the world coming off the Victor of World War Two. There's no fight. We can't win. And here's the Manchurian candidate. Introducing this new level of warfare that doesn't take place with a fist fight. But that are ideal Ogies can become corrupted that the strongest soldiers can within three days be overpowered and brainwashed and can be made to sit through a communist brainwashing seminar and before Stu kill their brothers in arms. Yeah. It's I mean, that's that's what makes this film timeless because we certainly haven't given up on that with Allah G, and that in this film still calls it into question so convincingly now, I think part of it's convincing. This is are the kind of the artistic side of things technical the formal techniques play. So maybe we should start getting into those there that you particularly like to start. Maybe we should just dive right into the big one because it comes up so early that brainwashing seminar where we're cross cutting between multiple different realities. Yeah. I guess there is really it's it's the elephant in the room. It has to be addressed. There are others. But you know, we should we should get into that first. And then we can kind of go into somebody off shoots. Yes. The end say the offshoots. Ironically revolve around or you know, gain their power from that one, and it is to start off with that revolving three hundred sixty degrees shot as you say. Inter cutting these different realities, and the fact that it's so unsignalled I mean as the audience watching it for the first time, you, you know, it's not a dream sequence. In the sense that you understand exactly what you're seeing yet. And the and these realities are are the film, assumes a certain kind of intellectual intelligence on the part of the viewer to say you'll put this together time, but not not right away. Yeah. I think that's kind of what I admire about it in a way this kind of feels. Like the American version of a new wave movement in making because this is very experimental. But it's taking place within this Hollywood funded political thriller starring Frank Sinatra. But you have like you said this camera move that is weaving different sets in your cross. And from there, you go to cross cutting between I think it's gotta be something like eight different setups because there's all sorts of different permutations. Exactly, I you know, trying to say they're supposed to be. I think three there's only supposed to be what's actually happening with the men being held at the seminar in a Soviet complex than we have the New Jersey garden party, which is the reality that they have been brainwashed to see. And then I think there's a permutation of that with the African American soldier who sees it as a garden party runs exclusively by African American women exact garden party. But. Frankenheimer does so many different takes of that where he's gonna put Dr Yan low in the garden party background. He's gonna put the hydrangea woman in front of the pictures of Stalin. And it's always so interesting. I can't imagine cutting the sequence together in picking which take or you're going to use an which background is going to be there. And what is that going to say about the way that this psychiatric psychedelic trip is going to play out for an audience and still make sense? And I think it's really impressive that it comes together as well. As it does. And also, I think kind of helping take some of the bite out of the political message because I have to imagine in the early sixties when we're about to have the Cuban missile crisis that it's got to be rough for American audiences to see a bunch of Soviet overseers. Brainwashing our boys, it probably helps to have, you know, the the mighty Russians voice in the mouth of just this sweet old lady tried to talk about flowers. That's an excellent point. I hadn't even really thought about that. But it does kind of. Yeah. It makes it more palatable to to us as the audience, and of course, to the soldiers themselves. That's what keeps them calm is that they are in this garden party this boring garden party. And as you say, it's it's this surrealist sequence the way as you say cuts together with the various permutations that you feel like you're viewing as you say. At least, you know, eight to ten different versions of it. When it is. In fact, really only three and primarily really only to that. You're seeing cut together. Although I do love the detail of it being of you know, when you have when you're cut to corporal Melvin 's perspective that is all African American women as that would not necessarily alert his subconscious detail. But what what strikes me so much is the contrast in the early goings of this film, the beginning of which is is shot in a would say strongly a documentary realist style. I mean, you have this kind of these sequences in Korea that are, you know, have voice over work. It's very much presented as a a March of time almost documentary and then two out of the blue get transposed into this brainwashing. What comes dream sequence? That is. Part reality part, not it's so off pudding. But it's so I mean, it just sucks you in. It's absolutely fascinating to watch. And I think part of that is that contrast from what is this ultra realist style that pervades much of the film? And then you have these surrealist dream sequences. It's so helps enhance that Irina is that is creates that sense of suspicion. And it's great visual storytelling to bridge the gap between the last time we saw these guys they were captured. And then after the credits, they're coming home, and Robert and not Roger Raymond, Raymond. Shaw's getting the congressional medal of honor. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know that that coming home sequence? Is is starts to get at what I think part of the large part of this message is which is the power of pageantry and all these things in the United States, especially in the coming of the television era, which became so powerful with the election of John F Kennedy. And that kind of segues into I think what is the other probably potentially most powerful sequence of the film. Besides the dream sequence is the sequence of the interruption of the secretary of defense by Senator Iceland, and that sequence this argument of which takes place entirely in the background of and slightly out of focus in comparison to watching it on the TV's in the foreground, and especially Eleanor Shaw Iceland, watching it as we know her later too. We don't really know at that point. We had you know, we have hints of it that she's really pulling the strings. It's absolutely fascinating to watch. Yeah. We were going to the same place. That's the other sequence. I think of where the craft is just so unbelievable. Not just in terms of staging like, you said I love how we are actually having seen in the background, but we cannot help but be drawn to the smaller screen within the frame to tell us what's going on. But. But the the just cacophony of noise, I always find it so difficult to latch onto the dialogue. It's actually being said in sequence because there's just so much commotion and yelling, and is Linda's racking up so much noise that I think that that is making a fantastic statement about. The state of politics that movie is trying to take down which you know, Raymond's mom, even says a few scenes later when they're trying to nail down. What exactly is the number of communists in the department of defense? And she says while you're you're asking the wrong question. Nobody's asking are there any communists in the department? They're asking how many, and so I think that that scene is a great take down of the death of deliberation. And and probably. And facts, I mean, which is hell echoing where we are now. Which is all it takes is someone to say it loud enough, and it becomes a reality. Right. And also maybe playing little fair handed. I think the movie does a good job to show how the climate has been cultivated into something that somebody like John is Lynn could rise to power because who who is it who's his opponent that Marco is acting as public relations for the secretary of defense. I think it's the secretary of defense if it's not the, you know, if not a Representative of the department of defense in some capacity. Okay. Who is I think it is the secretary of defense though, who's just unbelievably belligerent though, because I think before is Lynn steps up on the scene. The question. That's posed to him is can you explain why these budget cuts have happened? And I think his responses since you ask a simple minded question. I'll give you a simple nine answer. Oh, yeah. I'm just thinking like, well, you know, what? What we're doing with the budget seems like perfectly reasonable question to me. Don't think it warrants or response like that. No, you're absolutely right. The secretary of defense is is he's like deeply offended to be you know, to not have his word taken as gospel in relation. And that absolutely speaks to the people in power and that side of the political spectrum as well. You know, once you're in power. How dare you question me? And instantly. A United States Senator comes in. Now, forget the reporter and makes very strong acusations. And it's not like, well, let's get to the bottom of this. I'm going to throw you out of this room. I mean, you know, it's not exactly position. As a welcoming debate on either side. But yeah, it's it's an absolutely enthralling sequence to watch. I love that that mrS Iceland miss shot, MRs shy, she watches the I mean, this is happening in her room. And she like us knows that she's washing it only on TV because she understand that's where the real nexus of power in the United States is. And she wants to know how this is being perceived in millions of homes. She doesn't care what's happening in the room. She cares. What's how it's being perceived? And obviously that comes back into play later with the assassination attempt later on. But it's a it's an absolutely fascinating sequence. And I think it starts to hint at the other side of things. So I mean, we have this kind of realist style that pervades much of the film. You had these surrealist dream sequences and I- what I really appreciate from Frankenheimer is the visual irony that he layers through. Out this movie. I mean, there are quite a number of sequences. And I think this starts to hint at it that are visually. I mean, actually, rather funny. Not funny, given the context, but I mean, you understand that he is pointing out how ridiculous much of this really is. Oh, yeah. The the underlying sense of humor in this movie is never anything less than impressive, particularly because I don't feel that. It's. I think it subliminal because I don't think this is a movie you come away from feeling like you had a good time. Oh, no. It's it's it's bleak worldview is just palpable throughout and yet. Yeah. There are moments of humor and irony. That I think if they function for levity, they are equally functioning as cruel irony. One hundred percent. I totally agree with you. I mean, the to a couple that stand out in my mind, I mean, well, I I'll get to those in a second. Actually, you do have these lighter moments. I love the sequence when we're jumping around through the film. But that when when Raymond Shaw's mother says she's about to give him orders and used she says, I'll take the Queen of diamonds because you might get yourself into trouble just to have Jocelyn walk in dressed as a giant Queen of diamonds. I mean, the you can't help kind of laugh in that moment. Absolutely. As you say, this kind of cruel irony. In a couple of sequences that obviously a lot of the murders that take place happen underneath kind of giant symbols of American iconography, Senator Iceland, obviously continually dressed as ABRAHAM LINCOLN or standing next to ABRAHAM LINCOLN picture or portrait's as he will then be assassinated in a movie theater and the one that strikes me as you have these two military officers in pursuit of an assassination about to take place. And they're completely immobilized by the salute given to a national the national anthem completely stopping them in their tracks preventing them from what they're supposed to be doing. You know, that's the kind of irony that is as you say, you can kind of smirk at it in the sense that you're watching a movie, but it's not it doesn't leave. You feeling good? At the end the movie, I feel always seems to be in service of the idea that the universe is just governed by random chaos. I think some. Of those plot developments like. What is Jordan's daughters named Jocelyn like joslin showing up in the giant card? Show. Just how outrageous fortune can be right. Yeah. You're absolutely right. On the flip side, we even have an entire character. I feel embodies this idea what Janet Lee with Rosie who I don't know that any character has ever been more just pure essence of ideal male fantasy that she has rescues Frank Sinatra on the train lights his cigarette leaves her fiance because she falls head over heels for him. I never know what to make to that of that seem to you correspond to this urge you subscribe to this idea that she is potentially. Another handler of this group. That's been brainwashed out of Manchuria. I'm glad you brought it up. So the first time I watched this movie when they are speaking at the train, and she starts having him memorize in a, you know, we understand them to be phone numbers and addresses. But it's so out of the blue that one hundred percent the first time, I saw it. I was like oh my God. She she's in on this. And then. No way from this point forward. Do they ever address it? And I'm pretty sure in explicitly. It's not in the script of the implied. So, but for the sake of suspicion and paranoia that pervades this film, her actions are so overbearing that in my in, my soul and spirit. One hundred percent can't believe that she's not in on the conspiracy. And his handler of some sort to be perfectly are on the train when major Marco has for the first time, leaving Washington DC to intercept him be they're perfectly to say. She's calling off her, you know, her engagement as you say to constantly be there to accept his brash proposal out of nowhere. I can't help. But feel that. Yeah. I mean, it's it all seems a little too perfect for it. Not to be kind of dubious. Right. It's it's so out of nowhere. And I guess this most recent viewing coming out, and I've looked at it a little more favorably because I've thought that. If I meant to take a lot of the movie as a thesis on how the universe can be so random and cruel as to set up a sequence of events in which a man will unknowingly murder, his new bride. Could I not also believe that it could be so random in good as to offer somebody like Ben Marco somebody who will take care of him through this post, dramatic stress will be there for him. No matter what it's it's this weird kind of optimism that seems so out of place. But I think it worked so much in the movie just because it's it's opposite. In terms of just chaos is so strong that I think we needed there to balance it out. I like that. I mean, that's certainly more optimistic view of things in. I think you know, it's a testament to the, you know, the tone that the film sets in general, but also Janet Leys performance that for her character to come out of as you say seemingly nowhere and to play. You know, this kind of strong. Handed part also out of nowhere. I find her so intensely likable at the same time in the role that it's really I mean, it's you know, it would have been very easy for her character to feel out of place and a weird drag on the film, but I don't think it comes off that way at all. Yeah. No deaf in the early sixties. There is nobody better you got for this role than generally. No. And I don't know somewhere in between what I'm saying what you're saying about, you know, is she is she in on this or not I feel like we have to then flip it over. And this is kind of where I I tend to also lean towards, you know, she's she's also handler of some sort is Angela lansbury as MRs Eleanor Shaw Iceland, because this film clearly seems to paint a. A fairly negative. Maybe misogynistic view of these women as being these like overbearing characters on their male counterparts. Obviously, she as the villain of the film is amazing. I mean, it's she so dastardly, and she really comes into her own as the film goes on. But she's that way from the beginning. I'm curious what you think of her performance her the kind of her own character. What I find most poetic of this film is that you know, she didn't realize it was gonna be her son who's been brainwashed. And at the same time, the irony is that Raymond Shaw was always already brainwashed by his mother. I mean, forget that. She's his handler. He she asked even though he hates her. She asks he asks her for permission to do anything. Right. And that's to me a nice kind of poetic balance to it. All but I'm curious what your thoughts are. I think it's an amazing performance from someone who I don't think I ever would've expected it from. I've never seen Sweeney Todd. But you know to me Angela lansbury as MRs Potts from beauty and the beast. So to see this cruel puppet. Master like, you said this hitch, Hitchcock, mom on steroids. Is it's absolutely magnetic. And you call out the thing that actually really turns for me is at the very end when we wonder if the the wires, so so called have actually been smashed because Raymond seems to be back under her spell, and she is giving him his final mission to assassinate the presidential nominee, and that whole speech. She gives about how this is an act of vengeance against her that they picked Raymond in order to exercise some kind of leverage over her because they recognize she can be dangerous, but they feel they can control her by making this human walking walking human assassin her son. And that moment where she just goes dark and the camera goes from a wide shot of the room Dali's right up into both of their faces. And she says once we're so near the end in once we have been swept up into power with these emergency powers. John will sees we will. Grind them into dust. And they will come to recognize how fiercely they have underestimated me. It's always a little problematic. I think in a lot of great movies that strong women are these types of figures. They're kind of the political conniving puppet masters. But this character again, you know, it's this character is the best in the whole movie not only because you just that twist when she finally gets to say, why don't you pass the time playing solitaire that that is an amazing smash cut during that costume party. But you really the whole movie kind of shifts into perspective because you have seen her be this master of the image who has manipulated John. She has put out the image of him that they need in order like been mentioning to play this chess game to get him into the vice president nominee slots, and it is so well played from plot. Perspective in a movie that seems to be populated with a lot of randomness. So I think Angela lansbury just holds that altogether. Amazingly. Well because you see her. That doesn't come out of left field. I guess is what I'm saying. Is that you kind of see her in the beginning as domineering mom, who's got a little more vested interest in her husband than her son. But this this turn brings truth to that line. She has in the beginning when they're driving to the plane. She says, this is all I have is my boys. I'm always just looking out for you to while you find she's really looking out for herself. They're always just pawns in her game. And it's about to end. Yeah. You're absolutely right. A moment of which I think is very twisted Lee darkly encapsulated at the end of that sequence that you talk about where you know, you're gonna grind them into dust. And then she kisses Raymond I on the cheek as a mother might. But then quite quite passionately on the lips. I mean, you can't help but feel that this woman just needs to dominate everything in her in her sphere was definitely. And as you say, it's when you think about this movie coming out a couple of. Years after psycho. I mean, this is also a twist for the ages, but one that as you say is entirely believable in the in the kind of trajectory that we've come to know this character we from the beginning. She is presented as domineering woman. We just don't understand quite the depth of her power. And the capstone of which is another one of those visual ironies that is. So cruel in the end into have Raymond Shaw killing his own mother dressed as a priest while wearing the congressional medal of honor. I'd say where leaves you, you know, with kind of how Frankenheimer feels about all of these things. Exactly. But I mean, I find that putting the metal on is actually very nice moment. Because. You know, you spend the whole movie thinking will those, of course, the the Chinese or the bad guys? It's the Soviets everybody. And you know, here you find them. They've just been agents in her game that the the real mastermind behind the communist plot are the people who are blowing the whistle on the red scare. And Raymond getting to finally get his victory and standing up to his mother and being able to save his country. I think is a very nice touch abs-. Yes. Definitely incredibly perverse. Yes. There's no question that you do feel like in the end he finally earns it, but of course, at great personal sacrifice in cost, the as you say, even even within that context that he does alternately save his country. He is still a very dark ending to have. You know, we cut back to major Marco. And you know, kind of his anguish in that moment in this thunderstorm of tears if you will outside the window. It's certainly doesn't leave you as Perot feeling at the end. Yes. All optimism is very succinctly cut short. Yes. Indeed. I can't now I can't help keep coming back to Rosie. I feel like seed now this, but this is the beauty of this film because it creates such suspicion and paranoia. That here. I am still like consumed because the one part of this movie that bothers me that I it feels like a weak link in. What is an otherwise? Like extremely taut. Compelling narrative is that major Marco allows Raymond shot and Jocelyn to go on their honeymoon weekend to me that always feels ridiculous like go on your honeymoon after let's let's fix this guy. Who is otherwise extremely dangerous. Let's just get that out of the way. I shan't her. I can't you know, why you know, like, oh, we'll have him back here in forty eight hours for some reason. You don't think he might there's a chance he might not come across a Queen of diamonds in between. But to me what better way than to kind of extract. Raymond Shaw, get him back into into the fold. If you will then to have major Marco have this romantic new romantic flair in his life. It's clearly his kind of romance the sense of romance in him sparked by Rosie that has like, well, I want this couple to have their honeymoon. So if anything I don't know, maybe she's kind of working behind the scenes to get to get Raymond out of out of control never thought of like. Now, I very interested in rosy. I need to know what she's up to. I always seen that as a quasi believable move. Because I think that is one of the most genuinely nice moments in this movie is after the elopement and. How does the Joe Laurence Harvey says that they they went to the priests preseason? He looked like Gaucho marks because he's dressed up like a cowboy and he gets this. Unbelievable. Nice moment where he says, I think I just made a joke. Have you ever known me? Raymond Shaw to make a joke. I think that moment is utterly charming. And immediately get set why I think we've gone along with this character so long as that. He's a monumentally unhappy person who has like have been manipulated his entire life in here. We get to see him in a moment of absolute joy. And so I've always seen that Marco letting him go as I can't I can't pull him out of this right away. I need to give him a weekend with this. And I think the the underlying assumption is that if they've eloped they've gone AWOL, then they're already beyond the reach of the is Lund's, so forty-eight hours more can't hurt. Right. And then, of course, the John Iceland calling out. Thomas Jordan as a traitor. I think is the bait that polls Raymond Shaw back to his mother one hundred percent. Absolutely. It's I mean, I it is a moment of pure friendship, and and you know, kind of fiction, and it's it's Raymond shop proving his point which is that he is deeply unlikable person. Except when he's with Jocelyn, and is very true that in that one particular scene back from his honeymoon. He does make a joke and he's acknowledging it's bad joke. But it isn't he is. So you feel for him. You feel you feel happy for him. It is this kind of pure love moment. But at the same time, let's just let's just get him. Let's just get him locked down. Then you guys go on an extra long honeymoon. No, you're you're very, right. What is rosy up to? And I don't know. I 'cause I just don't think an unromantic involved. Major Marco would have let him go. But this new romantic major, Marco, I dunno. It's a strong point. What do you think? Thank Frank Sinatra and his performance in this film. I love this one to actually I've singled out everybody. I've said, oh, you know, high de is yen low of called out, Laura. Tar sands around everyone except Frank Sinatra. Yeah, I think Sinatra's greatness movie because. I'm no expert on the guy, but you know, Sinatra to me has that legend around him of like the big gruff hard-drinking, dude. And I've seen a, you know, a lot of movies that he's in where he certainly shown vulnerability. But I think I like this one the most because here's this guy who's a major army intelligence, and I love how Sinatra showcases his post traumatic stress that he can't quite hold down a job that he's a mess is public relations guy that he can't light the cigarettes. In a way, I think that's what helps me embrace along the rosy things is I'm very happy to see how she kinda helps him get on his feet. And then just the overall sense of ownership and brotherhood. He starts to forge with Raymond. Who's a guy that everyone openly admits that they all hate because he so unlovable after the big drunken scene where Raymond has got to bare his soul and talk about the one time. He was lovable the summer. He was with Jocelyn all the sudden Sinatra gets to start calling him kid more. And I think that is that pays off so wonderfully when we're introduced to the force deck, and we've got fifty two queens of diamonds and Sinatra's just telling Raymond that. I'm getting you back where smashing all the hardware. No one's going to be able to tell Raymond Shaw what to do anymore. Yeah. That's that's not something that I would have expected. The first time I saw this movie from somebody like Sinatra because I would have just expected him to be like, you know, the dog on the case who just keeps his ear to the ground unravels what's going on. And kind of proceeds with how to fix things regardless. Of how Raymond's going to feel about it? Right. And the movie takes turn to show that what really saves. This guy is that he finally gets a friend who cares about what happens to him. Which is something that no one else has done not his own mother, not anybody who has turned him into the death machine. So I liked that that is in its way kind of a moment of victory of human decency. Right. Yeah. You're you're you're right. He does kind of have this unexpected human quality me have this military officer who is in counterintelligence. You would almost expect. Hey, we've got this covert operative who's been brainwashed whose deadly you know, you'd almost think. Yeah. He you know, what what happens to Raymond shy irrelevant? The the important thing is to you know, to eliminate him as a threat, really. But as you say he's so invested in saving, Raymond both as in terms of his psychology and his his, you know, his love life as you mentioned earlier. You do have these extremely human moments. And as you say, you talk about the kind of PTSD side of it, which I think is also under you know, under appreciated necessarily for nineteen sixty two. The two scenes that really stood out to me one. We talked about which is the train sequence. I mean, kind of his anguish he has he can't like the cigarette. How he's so it's Frank Sinatra. And here he is being seduced by by Janet lay. And he's so emotionally, you know, kind of deadpan, but it works in this vulnerable way. The other moment of which and I think it speaks again to the kind of the sophisticated layering of, you know, props and just kind of Meson Sen. in general, but without necessarily over explaining I don't know if you agree with that. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But the scene when I believe it's the Colonel comes to remove tell Frank's major Marco that he's been put on indefinite leave and he's commenting on all the books. I mean to me, I take that as you know, that major Marco is reading nonstop just so that he doesn't fall asleep. Yes. Most definitely I think that that's definitely meant to. Show that he is doing whatever he can to keep his mind occupied. Even if it doesn't make sense to. Yeah. Exactly as you said. French French plays or whatever he's reading. But it's it is this vulnerability that you don't necessarily expect from Frank Sinatra that I do think he pulls off very well. And the doubt the self-doubt he has at the end saying, I shouldn't have I shouldn't have banked on him being free of the shackles. And the doubt he has that. In fact, he's put everyone back in danger by letting Raymond Shaw loose. And then just you you understand how right at the end that he understands that Raman Shaw's, you know, he's about to kill himself. You know, he ended up killing the bad guys. But he's still Margot Marcos still heartbroken for him. Yeah. He's he failed. He failed to save Jocelyn. He's failed to save Raymond. And the last of the movie of him reading off. In diving or inducting, Raymond into you know, these this volume of heroic acts and saying that they he cannot be listed because these actions were too horrific to speak of and then the last line of the movie is just all hell and Sinatra breaking down very emotionally potent. Indeed, indeed Pylos dude knows kung FU. I feel like we should we should talk about that fight scene. Not fight scenes. Not something the nineteen seventies. That really kind of proliferated fight scenes, and apparently both actors really went at it. No, stunt doubles or anything. I think Frank Sinatra even broke his one of his fingers getting thrown over a table. But in retrospect, kind of hard to watch. Yeah. I mean, that's that's kind of like you said before we had the editing language to make fight scenes go over a little smoothly. I love Western's but trying to watch a fistfight and a western sometimes just not enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not and you can tell I don't think for Frank Sinatra particularly trained in the martial arts despite his just got a hold your palms straight in over your head. Exactly. Just hold your and get into what is has to be the stiffest boxes. Pose you can possibly find. Go from there. But you know, credit to the film for as you say, I mean, this film has a lot of experimental qualities in them. And I think that's one of those things you don't see fight scenes like that in Hollywood at the time. And he was certainly trying something new, and I'm sure probably at the time probably pretty pretty exciting to watch OSHA. I mean, definitely plays a beat to kind of get the adrenaline up. Absolutely. Absolutely. And and the fact that they're so well matched. I mean, you, you know, you realize that in is it's one of those suspicions. I why is this character here in the first place? He can't be the American handler because he's not American, but you know, and then to have him being so ready to fight. It just calls into question. The paranoia that that is in all layers of this film, reintroducing Marco knows there's something going on with Raymond's hands. Yes. Also, an excellent point. That's very true. It's it's economical if not exactly handled flawlessly exact. Really well said well said I I mean, I think this this film will always I think the politics of this film kind of help classify it in people bringing up in era after era. But I mean, when you really combine the politics of it with the Arctic side of it. I mean that I still dream sequence. Just gives me chills every time. But also the final sequence in the in the convention center. The welcome home parade. Another fun note that apparently the private plane Iceland's private plane was actually Frank Sinatra's pilot private so and what a great image to to undercut the so called like solemnity of American governments have respected Senator in this tacky ass plane with lights on the bar. This is my office. Yeah. I mean, that's also another character Senator, John Iceland. I mean, he he become comes off his such buffoon. But it works perfectly too that character. Right. Especially since we are very much building. How much Eleanor is the real mastermind? You know, it's it's real. She's really the senators all the policies are hers all the action. He just he's the man who can get in front of the TV. Indeed, I agree with you that political conspiracy thrillers as they go this has to be one of the best at you have any other closing thoughts. You want to touch on for this timeless movie. Nothing profound actually have to nitpicks. I would like to talk to you about for a second. Sleaze put you can totally cut these out as well. You're just a really smart guy. So wanted your input. No, no. It's James Gregory who plays John is. Lynn does your does. Not look exactly like sterling Hayden. Looks like sterling Hayden. I never I've never thought about that. I I don't I can't I always think it sterling Hayden because I'm like that guy is very striking. This is an interesting performance. Where have I seen him from an all the sudden, I think like, oh, yeah. He's in the killing. And he's in all these new are movies. And he's the police captain that gets shot at the the middle of the godfather. And that's why the assassination of the end. Look so familiar, but it's it's not it's James, Gregory. That's so that's one of those things that it's it's never it's never crossed my mind, and at the same time now, I wonder if it'll like I'll never be able to get out of my mind either. That's all right. I do defy you. It's the. Not gonna watch it again. Go cue it up and start over the the other thing has barely a little more substance on it. But I wonder if this is something the movie does on purpose or if it's just something I shouldn't worry about. But Laurence Harvey has an English accent my wrong. He is he's British. Yes. I mean, he's I mean, he was himself British okay. I think his accent is in the movie, I think Angela lansbury who's also British carries a British accent in the movie, why is this movie about this American political dynasty family, showcasing that, you know, the the most American medal of honor winner sounds like James Mason. I think I agree with you. I think I didn't notice it with Angela lansbury. I guess maybe I think I don't know. Maybe maybe you're potentially very right or that. She's just a little bit more of a seasoned actress and can hide it a little better. I think for the. Both of them. Because I don't think Laurence Harvey it doesn't necessarily to me quite come off as the British accent so much as the elite snobbery accent, which I think given that he is in fact, British kind of starts to cross that line a little bit. I think he's supposed to come off. So pompous so era. This sure times that it it. You know, he speaks in such a way that is not of a US military soldier down. You know that kind of thing. But I agree that there are a variety of times, especially his accent that it does take me out of it. When I'm like, this guy just doesn't even really this is not an American speaks exact even in any circumstance. If I now that we're like I'm gonna cut this off before we just like completely get off the rails in speculative talk. But if you had a remake this movie exactly as it is today. Laurence harvey. I don't know. But he reminds me. Tremendously of Benedict Cumberbatch. Yeah. I could see that. Okay. So the way if you, you know, for anyone remaking this movie, not that you should do it again because let's just leave it as the you know, it's already been done. Good. Thanks Joe to me. Exactly. Let's just cut it off. But Bennett Cumberbatch Laurence Harvey, maybe a bio pic about Laurence Harvey. I don't know maybe his personal life is worth making a bio pic about and and Bennett's can can take over. 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Time to Cancel Netflixs Cuties? | 9/15/20

Pat Gray Unleashed

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Time to Cancel Netflixs Cuties? | 9/15/20

"Path grade is here on the. Radio. Network but for being with US triple eight, nine hundred. Thirty three, ninety-three. Also, at at unleashed on twitter looks like climate change is raising its ugly head once again, and because of the fires fires, we didn't have fires until the climate change. Yeah. That's new brand new thing. I hate it. Why did this start? Well, climate change? Obviously, that's why it started. But how do you stop it? I don't know but fire we could put to use maybe this new thing that we just discovered. Yeah. Deal with it. I mean I burns things down. Don't put me on the spot. Too Dangerous. Send Bowling here fire situation. Wow. I mean would catching on fire. What a weird thing. If, you have a lot of it Jevon cleared in the last hundred. Years The fires can get even bigger and maybe burn out of control. Another brand new thing. So I don't I don't know what you do I. Really. I really don't I guess you just let the would continue to. Multiply and then you just hope that nothing's going to catch fire. And that's what they've done and that's exactly what they've done the policy and it's devastating NBC News a tool yesterday where you could superimpose the area of these fires on your hometown I mean it's devastating like the entire area fort worth effectively and that's just one fire while it's it's really sad. But yeah, it's right. Yeah. We didn't have any of this stuff but not until climate change. Things just didn't burn. It's weird. It's really weird. And Gavin. NEWSOM. The Governor of California had some brilliant things to say about it like the debate is over about climate change. What he had to say, this perfect storm, the debate is over over climate change. Come to the state of California observe it with your own eyes. It's not an intellectual debates, not even debatable. In the midst of a climate emergency. We're in the midst of a climate crisis. We are experiencing weather conditions the likes of which we've never experienced in our lifetime. We're experiencing what so many people predicted decades and decades ago but all of that now is reality. No, it's. They've always had fires. In California, there have always been fires there's always been drought. There's always been hot weather every single summer guess what it's GonNa. Get hot again. Man and if you continue to have stupid policies. About. Burning off some of your forest then. You're GonNa continue to let that. All of that would build up hang on a second get dry things are going to catch on fire and it's Challenging government I am. Not An intellectual debate pat, right that's yeah. That's what he said up. Every debate was intellectual but no. Man. Okay plus I thought you could debate pretty much any part of science, right? It's part of sites debate. And and exchange points of view. Then when he was talking to the president yesterday, he had this to say. I'd be negligent and this is not an we known each other too long and as you suggest the working relationship I value, we obviously feel very strongly that the hots are getting hotter you getting drier you could feel that all you want they're easily feel very strongly that the hots are getting hotter and the dries or getting drier, you can feel that all day. It doesn't make it so. I mean I feel like time has sped up. But guess what the time is pretty constant. Just. Feels that way to me and others, but you can feel whatever you want. Again. That doesn't make science. It doesn't make it so. When we're having heat domes, which we've never seen in our history hottest August ever history the state say the hottest August ever. Every single year every single year whether it's true or not. It's the hottest August ever saw summer ever odds the hottest year ever every year and I'll tell you this certainly, not the hottest in Texas that it's ever been in fact, I think we had one of the milder summers I ever experienced in Texas and lovely it's been lovely by the way he makes it in a new. least for me a heat dome. Yeah. Have you ever heard him use that phrase heat dome I mean I haven't I don't think so okay. But yeah, it's been very nice summer in Texas probably the best of our. Nine years now here And and certainly better than anything I ever experienced in. Houston when I lived there for eight years is. I mean, we had some really hot miserable days, but you're going to have that. But mostly, it was really bearable the old and in some some days downright pleasant. Last week we had sixty degrees for the high sixty one maybe it was crazy. I've never seen the like of it. I mean Phoenix has had fifty something straight whenever they got up to one hundred plus I mean that's what happens whether they're cycles and deal with it. And Los Angeles I think has been pretty hot I mean I I was reading the other day where they had a high of one, hundred twenty or something that doesn't usually happen in La. So it's global warming, it's global warming. Yes. So anytime. Global. Warming ignore every other temperature that happens during the course of the year only pay attention to the ones that fit your agenda that fit your narrative and that's what they do. That's what they do. If it ever gets hot, then that's global warming. If it's ever really really cold, that's global warming to which is interesting if it's ever dry global warming if there's floods global one hurricane on the Gulf coast global warming and that's what they're saying as well. Ferocity these fires route five plus years. Yeah. One hundred, sixty, three million trees to that drought. Something's happened to the plumbing other world stupidities happened. It's not it's not the plumbing of the world though it's your stupidity. Of. The. Plumbing of the world is stopped up I. Guess. Colorado router see what see what they employ. Of Things in California the need flushing so that appropriate. Explanation it's so irritating the blame the fires in California on Climate Change Stop It. Biden. Mongering to. Taking on trump he's a climate arsonist i. believe man let's see what Joe had to say yesterday because he's brilliant as well. As climate denial. May Not have caused these fires and record floods. And record hurricanes. But if he gets term floods or hurricanes, these events will continue to become more common. Oh, more devastating and more deadly. Like. That while Donald, trump warns that integration is threatening our suburbs. It's ridiculous. But, you know what is actually threatening our suburbs climate change wildfires are burning the suburbs in the West. Floods are wiping out suburban neighborhoods in the Midwest are they hurricanes are imperilling suburban life along our coast? Yeah. That's positive. For Second. That's why you should live on the coast. Maybe I don't know that seems to be more a decision about people making their homes on the water that it is about anything else. He's fishing for suburban votes there big time every phrase suburban this suburban. Let's see the rest of this. We have four more years of trump's climate denial. We'll have suburbs will be burned all of them in wildfires. Any suburban neighborhoods will have been flooded out every one of them, how many suburbs will have been blown away all in superstorm all of them. Yeah. If you give a climate arsonist, four more years, the White House labradors. Set right so. We. have. More America blaze. If you give a climate denier, four more years in the White House. Why would anyone be surprised when more of America's underwater? Because they're stupid. Need a president respect science president understands Lydia president damaged from climate change is already here. Unless we take urgent? Action. Lake was soon be more catastrophic green new deal. President recognizes understands. That Americans, are dying. which makes President Trump's climate denial ism disdain for science and facts. All Worn conscionable. That's what that deserves. Really. Rather than taking it seriously. There is no increase. There is no increase in hurricanes. In fact, there's a slight decrease over the norm. There's no increase in in hurricanes and frequency or intensity same with forest fires. Fires. Michael shellenberger again, trying to warn people try to tell people stop claiming climate change is responsible for these fires in California they're it's not. This is one of their guys. This is one of their main guys. Fires a bird one point, three, million acres of California's for us over the last month. That's one million more acres than burned. Last year, unusually high number for this early in the fire season. Gorse. Gavin newsom said if you're in denial about climate change come to California. Eleven thousand dry lightning strikes we had over the last seventy, two hour period leaded this unprecedented challenge. He goes on and on and on and shellenberger says heat from fire is required for the release of germination of Redwood Seeds and to burn up the woody debris on the forest floor the thick bark on old growth redwood trees provides evidence of many past fires. It's supposed to happen. The difference is now California's terrible policies because they don't let this thing burn they don't they don't do the controlled, Burns, which would get rid of some of that kindling. Plus. The, forest need the fire for. Growth. It just so happens that now California has so many people in it. That there's homes all over the place near the forests. Inside, the forests. You know you're going to put forty, five million people somewhere. So, we also says, nor is it the case that California's fires have grown more apocalyptic every year as the New York Times reported. In fact, two thousand nineteen saw a remarkably small amount of acreage burn just two hundred and eighty thousand acres compared to one point three, million, one, point six, million in seventeen and eighteen respectively. What about this year's fires? I see the current. California. Fires as a normal event just not one that happens every year according to John. Kelly. A leading forest scientists. That's what he told. shellenberger on July thirty, two, thousand, eight, we had massive fires. Northern California due to a series of lightning fires in the middle of summer it's not an annual event, but it's not an unusual event. California's fires should indeed serve as a warning to the public but not that climate change is causing the apocalypse. Rather it should serve as a warning that mainstream news reporters in California's politicians can't be trusted to tell the truth. About climate change and fires. And it's getting worse. I mean they they are screaming from the rooftops every time they speak Biden newsom every time these guys talk about it. They attributed to climate change and it's a stinking lie. Can we stop with it? Please Scientists again. Naturally. Claiming. This is the hottest summer ever. Northern Hemisphere just sweltered through its hottest summer on record. The period from June through August, was two point one one degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average in the northern hemisphere. I. Just don't believe that that can't be true. Isn't Texas in the Northern Hemisphere or did we move? Do we do we move to the Southern Hemisphere, this year is that what happened sometimes like we're right on the equator. Really does. Feels like we're about a mile and a half from the sun. But? We did not have unusually hot summer at all. This August ranked is the second hottest since record keeping began in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty in the northern hemisphere supposedly the worrying milestones come as historic wildfires extreme weather events in the US sharpened focus on global warming block island on. August was particularly steamy for the planet average global land in service temperatures. Last month surpassed the twentieth century average of sixty point one degrees by one point, six, nine degrees. Was it good thing? We have the oceans though well, because without them what would happen? I think we learned from CBS News what would happen if the oceans didn't exist I mean, what are where would we be? Then it'd be bad carbon emissions also trap heat today's report shows oceans have absorbed ninety percent of that heat all raising ocean temperatures by half a degree had old. He'd gone into the atmosphere air temperatures could have risen by more than two hundred degrees now would not have been pleasant if the planet wasn't the planet, right? If it didn't work the way it work, then we'd be screwed. We'd be Venus Oh. Yeah. Yeah, actually. We might need to escape there because maybe we can talk about it. Later we've discovered a sign of life there. Yeah. That's that's pretty interesting and talk about that later. So. Some, regions however felt the August heat more acutely last month ranked as the hottest August record in north. America was the third hottest in Europe fourth hottest and South America and OC on Otani Janica. Okay one third of the US faced at least a moderate level of drought conditions in August and California suffered through record-setting heat waves. After temperatures and Death Valley. Hit a sizzling one, hundred, thirty degrees. South Eastern China parts of northern Russia and Western Australia. Also experienced above average. Now I thought we were talking about North America. A pretty sure Australia isn't in North America Well, I mean you just or the northern him in the point that it's hot everywhere 'cause global warming except for. Greenland th this year have their coldest day ever greenland did. Win. Recently No. No. Northern Hemisphere Aright in January my point is. It's weather man it changes. No that's a new thing though, isn't it? It started changing. Let's see here. Okay. Let's see. Norwegian. Weather. Station. Twenty three. August twenty, three I. Love It. weather stations in Norway logged their coldest ever July temperatures. Okay. So in July when he three record. Record cold. In other words and then Greenland earlier this year I'm just scrolling down here and you know you have to Google. So these are filtered results of course, Let's see anyhow. Yeah. They don't want to give you anything against their narrative. And so they try to keep all that stuff I don't know if it's on page one, million, two, hundred, forty, thousand when you Google search or where it is but they hide it. Yep, I mean it's pathetic. Triple. Eight nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety-three when winter was the coldest in thirty five years for Iowa. I'm just telling you man it's just it's just it happened happens. Yes it does it happened on. All right. Let me tell you about Patriot mobile because every day we see new shocking videos of anarchists threatening innocent people destroying businesses. Throwing Molotov cocktails at police. Police being shot and these riots have endured because the money keeps flowing in Juneau the verizon donated ten million dollars to a bunch of social justice organizations including Al Sharpton National Latch Action Network. Patriot mobile shares, your values, and unlike big mobile at and T. They won't send your hard earned money. To, aid in this destruction of America. 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There's an interesting example I was going with that one. Eighteen is ruined. I'm trying to ignore that one and nobody will let me milk. I. Write these down because we have destroyed then English language PAT heads man they suffer every day. There were there at the water cooler talking with their spouse somebody will say something and then you got to keep it to yourself fans because otherwise it's too weird. What if you're like, why did you say? that. Like to read. What's the deal with you honey you gotTA listen to Pat? You know what never mind? I'm going to start making a list. Yeah. You guys start posting these and tag me pat on twitter we'll come up with list. Yeah. First of all. Yeah Rob you're right first of all. You know here's what you can do. You can turn your friends and neighbors on to the PODCAST. Tell him to get the podcast on Apple. IHEART. spotify. Google. Chrome. Watch the whole show on Youtube. 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I'm not a big fan of hate crimes, but if you're going to charge you know. Trump fans with it. Then you gotta do it for the other side as well and they obviously. Were filled, with, hate. And when the men that one man came up and tried to help the little boy and his mom punched in the face. saw. That serves them. Right. We'll see what happens keep an eye on that and Couldn't happen to nicer young women speaking of Delaware I, don't know if we have the picture but there was. A lady running for Senate up there and she's a republican she had like a booth out where you you know. Try to register people to vote and a little girl was out there and some jerks drove by an egg the place in this all girls just covered in egg shows and stuff. I mean what is just a a little girl? How proud your family must be how proud you must be knowing that you're responsible for that? Alone By the way. Some good news though here federal judge just ruled Pennsylvania lockdowns. Are. Unconstitutional. Ruled in favor of several Pennsylvania counties that filed a lawsuit against Governor Tom Wolfe and secretary of Health Dr Rachel Levin over coronavirus restrictions and the state order. To close all non life sustaining businesses. Lower they still under that order. US District. Judge. William s stick men. The fourth wrote in his sixty six page opinion filed yesterday that Wilson restrictions violated the first. amendment. Right to freedom of assembly and the due process and equal protection clauses. Love. This guy this Guy Up like you said, a trump appointee federal judge in Pennsylvania forty one years old keep your while and Williams stegman. Wow. So. Here's his ruling. The court closes this opinion as it began by recognizing that defendants actions at issue here were undertaken with the good intention of addressing a public health emergency but even in an emergency, the authority of government is not unfettered. The liberties protected by the constitution are not fair weather freedoms. In place when times are good but able to be cast aside in times of trouble. Thank you. Thank you, right. There is no question that this county has faced and will face emergencies of every sort but the solution to a national crisis can never be permitted to supersede the commitment to individual liberty that stands as the foundation of the American experiment a judge using the phrase individual liberty. Thank you. Sir. The constitution cannot accept the concept of a new normal. where the basic liberties of the people can be subordinated to open ended emergency mitigation measures. Rather, the constitution set certain lines that may not be crossed even in an emergency. Actions taken by defendants, cross those lines. It's the duty of the court to declare those actions unconstitutional thus consistent with the reasons set forth above the court will enter judgement in favor of the plaintiffs who. Brilliant and dead on ruling it's common I mean it's It's just a constitutional argument is the judge laid out Yep and yet it's as you would say manna from heaven. No kidding. Absolutely. Manna from heaven. Because, it's so rare. So very, very rare. To get a ruling like this makes complete sense to you. And to any constitutional lover. Because it's usually the complete opposite lately. It's it's usually just be beaten over the face. There's head. Yeah. There's an early list from pat heads on twitter right now of words that you have. Okay destroyed in their lives eighteen. Milk No. Interesting. For a striding. S The voith. Methane. Spoons yes, right there. Fear anger suffering? feared. Or is it the other way wake or lease to fear fear leads hate hate. To suffer and okay there you go. That's. Out Goes. And there's capsized captive over and capsize. Partial list. Oh. Yeah. What's What's that? The best. That's great. Triple Eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety-three. You'd like to share with us or you could do it a twitter at Pat, unleashed? Twenty twenty it's just a weird year and in fact, somebody has. Taken it upon themselves to help out a patient WHO's been in a coma? Through much of this year and then just came out of the coma wow. And then catch up the comatose patient on what's been going on issue. Jeff desirous it's It's everywhere man is bad. It's very respiratory. It's very contagious. Can make you sick for a few days or week or so. So it's the flu. Okay. Don't people don't like that comparison. toot. Sounds, like need to go the country I got grandparents in Italy Oh. Ball. Oh. We can't do that flights are really g but we're not allowed. Okay. Is there any good news? Yes. Yes or no sponsors right? Two words Tiger King Watch on Fox and. Climate changes improving. Warnings Reducing. Nice I'm sure the animals are flourishing right now Yeah. Actually a little too much. Maybe we have like murder Hornets now or something they're bees the size of. Armadillos I'm not even GonNa ask electioneer though right? Is that getting crazy? That's making everything you wild I mean we still at this guy vying for power with no experience all the money in the world why it's not look though. Conway I'm not go there. Berko Gotcha back to the Kanye West Yeah definitely not east. Of the East, we gotta with them right out. So speaking of beef I haven't eaten in like seven months we should go to the market and get don't say markets either. Way. It's going to be president. He liked to fill out the paper workers later turned to Lizzo. trumper Biden Oh Biden take. No He's fine. Just trump and by the debates should be real fun. They've been told us to stay away from nursing homes but I guess we're GONNA turn the White House into one. Yet I think that's everything. That's a quick rundown. What's been happening since you've been Been Pretty Wild but glider back rest up man I told you everything. For me. Yeah. Sure. Gobi. What what? I. Just Twenty twenty. I. Go back to your Colo.. You're one of the lucky ones. You. Forgot the Kobe thing to. Wow. Yeah. That's just a partial rundown. mean he skipped some things. Could have really blown that comatose patient's mind There's. A lot there. You could fill in. So far. Yeah really fun triple eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety-three, also pat unleashed on twitter. From the means screens, of Helena, it's Pat. Gray unleashed liens. I got some tweets here. Carrot, thirty, twenty two. Gavin since wins fire considered considered a type of weather. Yeah. Saltine American don't call me cracker well, technically news right you can't have an intellectual debate with these morons. Wildfires climate change they're just too stupid. From. Putin. Blaming California's fires on global warming is like Al Sharpton 's blaming Al Sharpton Stupidity On teleprompter it's an internal issue. We got some more words that we've ruined for you. Chaz them there's a chazal twitter instead of chasm. Because John Kerry corrected are MIS pronunciation of the word. Let. US was Chaz AB-. Yeah. He also taught us how to pronounce Genghis Khan Genius that's been wrong to the fashion reminiscent of genders cad. That's true. That's. This of course inconceivable. Commits. So inconceivable or outrages or unbelievable, it's all the same of. Abusing. Thinking Miss Democracy. We're not a democracy. So every time I hear that I get like pins and needles jammed in my head. I'm calling. For its cold. And unmitigated. There few more for you. triple, eight, nine, hundred, and three ninety-three. You know are you familiar with a company called Lululemon? That's apparently a trendy Lululemon is that what it is? Thank you. Lulu. Lululemon thanks Martin. How do you know that Are you a big yoga pants purchaser glow that's what the fan man Lululemon Yeah Lululemon. K Yeah, it's a Yoga Pants company well, then yeah. So, they're publicly traded. They have a market cap of almost forty, one, billion dollars forty, one billion. They're actually promoting on their website. They were the they just took it down because I'm sure they got a little bit of flack for this. They were promoting an event called decolonizing gender. Didn't realize a gender had a colony of any kind. Apparently does their decolonizing better well, it's about time someone did that? Yeah. It was a workshop. Here's how they described it. It's a workshop to unveil historical erasure and resist capitalism. What was their market cap again? Yeah. Their market cap is forty, one, billion dollars Keith. Lululemon. And forty one billion dollar company that's trying to get us to resist capitalism. Hey how come you're selling your pants for one hundred, twenty, nine dollars a piece then. What are the SPANDEX little bit of spandex sewed together probably cost you five dollars to make in a switch. Why don't you guys resist capitalism? That's just unbelievable. Home Man Lululemon made the instagram post three days before it reported a four, hundred, eighty, nine, point five, million dollar gross profit for the second quarter. The second quarter. Thanks. To one hundred and fifty five percent spike in net direct to consumer revenue. Recent growth came as covid nineteen. Lead people to hunker down and when we're hunkered down, we didn't wear our office attire instead apparently lot of women turn to Lululemon and bought their stupid Yoga Pants. Here. Yeah I mean. The Vancouver based retailer also has seen its stock price climbed nearly forty percent since early March. Wow, three hundred and twenty bucks a share. Yeah. Resist capitalism might I know wondering they took down the post that is just pathetic man. I. Do these companies do this kind of stuff? Isn't that bizarre? Who are they putting in charge of these? Social media shops, and the media accounts and somebody's not thinking here i. mean before you post that don't you think, Hey, we got a forty one, billion dollar market share. I wonder if people would perceive us as really really capitalist. Now. We're telling them to resist capitalism that reminds me of a tweet that Hillary Clinton had yesterday. where she said, we deserve a president who cares whether his fellow Americans live or die and she was blasted with Benghazi photos awhile Stevens? Yeah. It was abortion numbers. Yes. So that was a very good. It was fun. It was fun but it's like you do not think I know. What About me if I post this. I mean, we think about that with everything we do because you've got to be consistent. You're going to be torn to shreds. So. Nobody's thinking in. Lulu Lemons corporate headquarters. Hey, maybe that's not a good idea to have a resist capitalism workshop. Anyway don't do the. What was the gender situation decolonizing gender? Maybe, we don't do that right now. I mean unless there's a follow up story that says that Lululemon is GonNa start giving away their yoga pants. Yeah. Right. Right. which there's no indication. There's not of that being the case shocked no, their pants still cost about one hundred and twenty nine bucks a piece so well, I mean. I mean that that that seems steep get. Does I mean I? Don't know if the workshop is still on because they took down the pulse. Okay. But it was supposed to be for Thursday this coming Thursday from five to six thirty eastern. So if you still want to be a part of their resist capitalism workshop, maybe you still can I'm not sure but. I hope somebody shows up with a camera to that would be awesome. Yeah. Just to let them know, hey, you know we were just thinking about your forty billion dollar market cap and. Decided you know what we're going to resist capitalism and not by your stupid pants anymore. How about that? Also speaking of capitalists and. Companies that should maybe. Think twice before. In Finland Burger, King and McDonald's got together on a little promotional thing you see. You see the Kevin defeated. The Macdonald Burger King donal and you know The the. Okay. So the two mascots yeah. For the companies, the clown and the king, the the clown Ronald McDonald and the Burger King Okay got together for a passionate kiss no right the level. Why did you do okay now I did. It. Gay. Kiss. Because that's a way to honor. Ride Week in Helsinki Finland. Okay first of all. First of all, add to the list. Okay. Careful with this question guys. Okay. I just want to know Is there video of this I'm not requesting it Gets just a photo. Just the photo. The finish campaign though shows the two rivals kissing in an ad titled Love Conquers All. Love conquers all. So that's beautiful. Beautiful. Now. Burger King. Finland's brand manager Casey Casella. said. Burger King has always stood for equality love and everyone's right to be just the way they are the only instance where it might not seem. So is when we're bantering with our competition, we thought what better way to convey our values then by portraying all encompassing kiss between Burger King and Ronald McDonald. We wanted to show that in the end love always wins we know McDonald's stands for the same values we stand for two by chance where they wearing one hundred and twenty nine dollar yoga. They might have been I. didn't see him from the waist down only show for the shoulders up. But since when do. Burger King. Wind is the Burger King and Ronald McDonald exhibit any sexual preference. They represent fast food outlets. You invite customers there to eat. Not Have, sex. Of any kind hetero or homosexual this is targeted directly at our children to that's what really pisses me off and we all know you're just pandering to the LGBT Q I a two plus groups it's unnecessary and it's wrong your fast food joints. that. Why would you exhibit any sort of sexuality I? Don't even understand where that comes from why do you find that necessary Unbeliev it's unbelievable it seriously unbelievable. Me Tell you about Omega xl. Maybe all of this stuff is giving you a massive pain right now. If so there's probably not much we can do except you know give yourself some time to get over it but if you're paying is coming from inflammation, then Omega xl is what you should be taken like I did for my And that inflammation is gone now I if I would've slapped my elbow lake, this four with that inflammation would be writhing on the floor right now. It's just it's awesome and it's backed by thirty five years. 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Ronald. Your. Ronald McDonald. Yeah. That brings a whole new meaning to that. Doesn't it that that that? I'm loving it won't. No. No. Not that there's anything wrong with it. No, that's great. I misunderstand don't Miss. Don't what I'm not saying. That's why we're all suppose to just you know adhere to the superior lifestyle? Man. Also speaking of capitalists and capitalism Louis Vitton has designed US something interesting. Interesting. It's a luxury. Face Shield. I cared is right there. Aren't we doing this to us? Does that look that doesn't look luxurious to me. I've got something just like that. It did it cost two thousand dollars like this does. I'm not, GONNA, kiss like Ronald in the king but right it cost a little bit. No, it was a that's the stupidest thing. I've ever seen. Ridiculous. Help. You're not covered in the. Around your whole face I wouldn't think that would even work as well as the surgical masks that we all wear. That's ridiculous and it's nine hundred, sixty, one dollars. Plastic Face Shield for those who prefer to street to the grocery store in designer wear. The Pricey piece of personal protective equipment meant to block air. aerosolize droplets from Zik passersby will be on sale starting October thirty. Yeah Yeah you do I have to wait and. Pandemic going to be over by then No, we're looking at two years maybe it might be with us forever or November. Yes uh I could buy one of those nice masks from Louis Vuitton or I could buy seven point four pairs of Yoga Pants. You rather have each day of the week. I don't know that you WanNa see me and yoga pretty sure I. Don't. Get the mass okay. Hard plastic covering doubles as a hat it can be flipped up like a visor. Features. Louis vitton embossed gold studs, a monogrammed elastic head strap away monogrammed. CanNot makes all the difference. And Trim in the brand signature. Lv print the LV shield will protect the wearer from the sun's rays to the clear covering transitions from cleared a dark. Light all it changes. That's fantastic and again for the low low price of just nine hundred and sixty one dollars. That's great. I. Give You buy in both the discount. No. Let's Louis Vuitton Man. That's true. Yeah. You don't want it to be discount. You want. You want to be able to tell people paid almost a thousand bucks for this space shield you like it we. The reporters on CNN start wearing them all probably very. Some guy doing weather the hurricane stuff some whether guy this morning on CNN was wearing a mask doing the weather. was he standing in a puddle of water? No, he was inside. But it's like if you're in front of the the deal, the wall. I mean. Is someone else like in your space the Camera Guy Maybe? No, he's way over the yeah. So I don't know if these trying to protect the green screen from getting infected or what's going on there symbolic, you know it's just symbolic. Everything's about how it looks that matter if it works doesn't matter if it helps, it doesn't matter. They're just everything's about symbolism now. Triple Eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety, three Keith alluded to this earlier. Might be time to move to. Venus. We've we've found apparently. Traces of life potentially on on Venus there's gas that could be coming from microbes. Detected, in the planet's clouds. exerting. Yeah I mean we're getting there. Right how could he live in that? Poison is really hot atmosphere. That's really amazing. Oh, scientists detected. Traces of. Phosphene gas that could be coming from microbes in clouds swirling high in the planet's Atmosphere Sa- colorless gas that smells somewhat like garlic. Or decaying fish. ooh, that's all now I'm ready to move there you better believe it on earth is produced naturally by bacteria or the decay of organic matter experts lead from the UK found traces of the gas and clouds above Venus unlike plant. The planet's surface conditions in the upper cloud layer our earth like oh I didn't know that. However experts have warned there could be other sources for the guests. So we really other weight. Wrap it up like that, and by the way it could be something completely it might not be anything. So would you live with the fish smell if it meant one hundred percent freedom To Hall. thinking. I don't know that's a tough one. I hate this this the fish smell and the fish tastes like, but but constitution applies to your freedom probably. Yeah probably wait a minute. Then we'd have to wear masks though. Oh and then we're back where we started right back to where he. On Man. Triple Eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety to do the wheel of cancel coming up in just a few minutes, pat. Gray unleashed. Way. With US triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also pat unleashed odd twitter Bob Blah Blah tweets who knew the burger king was actually a dairy queen. Wait. caffeinated Texan. So blue whatever lemon is working under the Michael Moore business strategy get rich using capitalism by denouncing capitalism. Here's a word for this. Oh. Yeah. Hypocrisy asked what it is. That's the word rate there. Might have been more here. Yes. Indeed. spunky trucker. Why isn't Canada and Mexico overrun with wildfires global warming end at the border. Yes. Yeah it does. Southern Sense slinger a newsom you're experiencing arsonists debate over Jackal. A little video from Washington? From Washington to check. Out Somebody. Doing. Exactly. Setting afire I spoke about fresh video from Washington wants. Guy Walking along to do to do what's in his right hand. Oh, it's a lighter What's that dry underbrush? What's he doing? In a blaze. Watch this is he doing that? Because of climate? Change Yeah. meet him this. Yeah. He got so hot that invest up his mind and he decided now to start a fire and you don't see it here. But yeah, here we go. We go back to the smoke. Saying, they're gonNA boom just started one of 'em on. My. Gosh. Why would why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, the word I want to use is not appropriate for the blaze but there you go. There you go global warming inaction. He up. All right. We're going to go to the wheel of cancel. I guess our wheel of canceled has been looking pretty rough I. SO somebody sent us a new one in the mail. Love this. This is from Lily Matthew. Really Nice very nice fat and Keith. And the whole team at unleashed. Hope you find this wheel. Helpful. Cancel some stuff like that and she bought some order some cookies to from truly scrumptious cookies. Thank you. Excuse me. JUST COOKIE DOT COM? That's that's correct. Okay. Yes. All right. Yeah so so she sent us this. Brand new wheel of cancel which I mean I don't know I think these are wild. That's a wheel of canceled destructions I. Don't think we need those but it's like a color wheel. So it's GonNa. It's going to be kind of intense. Nice. Some assembly required not by me, but maybe it somebody to work on that maybe we'll get ROB and. A great wheel isn't that something so All right. We'll create that and this is. Heavy Duty Yeah that's nice. So. But in the meantime. Yes spin the wheel. We do need a new one. Story number one strand. One. We are canceling dogs. No No. Because white people owning dogs. It's racist. Is this real this can't be real it how just look this up and see if it's That look off me and Mathilde, could you look at it? My twitter profile ought that's cute. She's a sweetheart. Okay. So all right. So white people me white savages. took the work and credit from the Eurasian people and branded these magnificent creatures as their own. Really. Filthy white savages did that this cap your real story I'm chickens guy out right now the need for white people to claim premade or P- rediscovered is it real? It's been pulled off the page. As it really yes. But see this as it because it's hateful hard because it's not true I don't know but you're holding the only copy of it available in this building. Still protect it because it's from a a pro animal website, and this guy has got a lot of different stories about animals on there. So it look legit in this world is so ridiculously insane that it's totally it's hard to tell because you don't know what satire any more. Yeah. Because there's almost no such thing as satire anymore, the world has just become so outrageous that. You can't top what's actually going on. The need for white people to claim premade or rediscovered things is not isolated to just this incident. Countless Times in history whites have been have been caught stealing the work of talent and work and talent of. POC people of color for their own success. Really. We are bad people we suck. We are bad people with me honestly speaking, we shouldn't be surprised. The white people would steal the domestication of dogs as well. Based on historical knowledge. This behavior will not slow down within the white community. It's true. We only get worse as time goes on. What's this? If. You're white and you own a dog openly participating and advocating for cultural appropriation and colonialism. That's what I thought every time. I went to the pound and get a dog. I thought man, how can I be through and it? So what was the guy's name what the name don't don't trust that just yet when His name. Let's see. Well, it's from United Wildlife Union. Yeah and where they are their primary goals are two primary goals or to protect analyze and further social justice, and this is according to bio archaeologist Greg or Larson. Bio archaeologists shot up. What's the first name again Greg G., R. E. G. Four when you click on their authors. GETS MESSED UP NOW So. There you go. I think I. Think he was legit and I think that this website was like that's not really going to help our cause for protecting animal lives in furthering social justice. So they took it down. Unbelievable. Yeah. It's probably it's probably his point of view because it does say he's a vile archaeology real thing totally not made up at all and he does claim the domestication of dog started in two places eastern and western Eurasia. Yeah. We got a video this dog tired of being oppressed his white owners and he's showing the other ones how to escape look at this guy he's like me away from Whitey. And he climbs the top of the fence here and look the dog figures it out to he's like, Oh, you're onto something and so they got away from there racist handlers and they will not be subjugated any longer. Good. That's a relief. Yeah. All right let's spill spin the. Wheel. Again. Never Five Story Number Five, pat tell them what they've won. Reverse discrimination. Canceling white women from the Midwest, we have husbands. No. That's oddly specific women from the Midwest husbands. I have bad news for Kerry. Former Oberlin, college professor is suing after she says, she was denied a tenure track position based on race ethnic origin, sexual orientation, and marital status morning. Journal. Reported that Alice Bloomfield. A former visiting assistant professor of dance. I love the visiting professors dance. Don't you professor? Okay I mean I like it when they visit well, who is the other guys title it's better than that guy biological archaeology or whatever it was. Filed lawsuit alleging discrimination after she says Oberlin Dance Department. Chair and Cooper. Albright told her. She couldn't be hired because she was another white woman from the Midwest with the husband. Listen to that. So obviously a straight white woman and she wasn't about to hire one. The statement allegedly occurred. July seventh. Twenty Nineteen Bloomfield was told look for a position elsewhere. Ms Albright acting individually and inner capacity is chair of overland's dance department. Effectively rejected MS Bloomfield for the new tenure track position, not because of her accomplishments or skill her experiences, her work ethic or her individual and personal qualities But instead because of race color skin or sex or sexual orientation, national origin and ancestry, you can't think that there's Too many visiting professors of dance to choose from. So that's That's not good and she's out she's she's out because she's been canceled white woman from the Midwest right with a husband with a husband Those are all bad things first of all white please that's enough right there. That's a nonstarter. All right. One more time. Let's spin the wheel. Owe Cat so. Story Number Three Three riday one. We are canceling now the word. Happy. I twenty twenty s already canceled the word. Happy. Salon had to remove a job advertisement. For a happy stylist because it's discriminatory discriminatory against unhappy I give up officially. Alice burge listed a job at looking for a part time qualified hairdresser at her salon in Britain the position called for someone with five years experience of working in a salon whose confident in barring as well as all aspects of hairdressing. Okay. So far so good. You I guess you can still ask that they have some kind of skill. That allows them to do John. I will be next. Yes. The advertisement also stated though this is a busy friendly small salon. So only happy friendly style is need apply WHOA WHOA WHOA back. On Wednesday Birch. Says, she received a call from her local job center informing her they could not run her ad because the word happy is considered discriminatory. Come on, you gotta be kidding me. We are done man seriously all these stories at one point you would have said, that's not true at Santa you're making that up. That's that tire. Birch claims the jobs that are told her that the advertisement man make some people feel they can't apply if they do not consider themselves to be a happy person. Well Yeah. The don't apply. She said she doesn't want unhappy people. That's discriminatory. Is that's right. You're right. For God for a second, we're done. She claims the man at the job centre said to her I'm sorry. But the word happy is a discriminatory word and we aren't allowed to use it as somebody who is not happy. We'll be discriminated against Oh. Come on overcome on. Seriously that can't be. And yet it is and this is Britain right. She says I thought this was a joke realizing it clearly isn't his left me absolutely speechless. What has the human race come to? Excellent question pudding. Excellent. Excellent question. Well this we've come to this where you can't ask for people to apply. Really. Amazing. And why is that? Well because we changed everything we've changed our and Barack knows that we are going to have to make. The. Conversation. We're GONNA have to change our traditions. The move into a different place. We've moved change our ads for. Employment. and. Deep seated cultural cultural. beliefs and structural bias sees half to be. Changed as I yep. Yeah. About the lemmings in the audience I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Change our religious beliefs. Yeah. Credible. Change our deep seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural bias I. Mean Western Society had a good run. For a while. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yes it's over now but. When you want you want it to last forever. Now nothing lasts us. Let's get real matthew sweet. With my real ones. Triple Eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety-three, three. Let me tell you about bills dot com being in debt really sucks I mean it adds so much stress to your life credit card. Debt student loans mortgages doesn't matter what kind of debt it is being in debt flat out is awful. But. There's a way to defeat that debt. THANKS TO BILLS DOT COM. If you're losing sleep over maxed out credit cards or stressed out thinking about your mortgage payments or student loans, bills, Dot Com can help you take back control of your life. It only takes a few minutes could save you hundreds or even thousands of dollars every month. Debt settlement personal loan consolidation to student loan or mortgage refinancing bills. Dot Com has you covered. 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Accounts. Yeah. Okay From bovines, scatology. Pat, why would I pay nine hundred sixty one dollars for a Louis Vitton Fe Shield? One for free. The next peaceful protests really good point. I forgot about that eight point. Yeah you wouldn't. You wouldn't do that. saucy small mouth small mouth bass. Aussie Small Myth Bass. Purchase having, Fun Yeah Yeah whites owning dogs is racist for real thing. Is A for real thing these people will not stop until all white people are canceled. Okay. All right. That's probably true. also don't forget coming up in a few minutes. We've got Hillary Kennedy. She'll be here to talk about the cuties movie on netflix which they're still defending the director is still defending it. netflix's still defending it. In the middle of a lot of people saying they're gonNA cancel their subscription and and boycott net flicks. So. We'll talk to her about that and. Some interesting. UFC stuff. Conor McGregor was detained in Corsica for attempted sexual assault he denies that. But we'll get into that as well. got a couple of other words that people have come up with. You know that we've ruined. Over the years eighteen milk interesting for Astrid added F you. Th that list is really lengthy. Ones here. Okay. Metric Yeah Turtles. I could care less I. Hope we've ruined that. We have because that's. I, can't abide it. You you gotTA. Do. So. When I see a straw. Straws don't belong there but the turns don't know. Love the smiling faces he. Also. alright? Protesters over the weekend closed down the George. Washington Bridge in New York Dot. It was a cool thing to do right I. Mean That's Six. Black lives matter protesters got arrested after a crowd stalled traffic on the GW bridge connecting of course, New York City New Jersey around one hundred protesters took part. In the rowdy to burrow rally I marching from the Bronx into Manhattan on the Cross Bronx Expressway. Then moving onto the George Washington bridge, they moved to the upper level. Blocked traffic for about twenty minutes before police finally arrived and dispersed. First of all, you know how? Do, you know how busy the GW bridge is. If you've ever been to New York or if you've lived there for any length of time, it's a nightmare during the best of times. Then for a hundred idiots to clog it up. Just. That would mess up your whole day. How screwing up somebody's life. Helping your cause help me understand that I don't get it. I mean I might I might join them actually I mean. Sixteen? Bucks. Sixteen Bucks, toll right and that's not even the big rigs I. looked this up the big rigs to across that. Thirty two bucks, WHOA is it really? Wow might be worth. I think it used to be eleven bucks to go up to sixteen yes, she yes. Oh, that's your twenty twenty eight to cross the George Washington Bridge and besides all that one hundred people getting in the way of traffic you're putting yourself in the middle of the road in front of someone's car. And then what you're doing is asking them. To be responsible for your safety. How does that make any sense like I'm putting myself in danger by by stupidly putting myself in front of your two thousand pound vehicle, and now I'm going to get pissed if you try to move all of course, I'm going to try to move. This is a roadway and I'm trying to drive over it to get to my destination. and. If I'm going to I don't care where I'm going I'm going to be really upset with you. screwing traffic up like that. You know now I'm the aggressor and your the victim. When it was you who got in front of my car. There's a word for this phenomenon, they're calling it safety ISM. Now. Yeah Safety Ism no no more, new words. That were all they know. The English language completely full up. Anymore new. That's why they're having to change the definition of words now like like female. Yeah. It's just how you identify one of the sub definition you identify. It says. So I could be a female if I'd identify those if you if you identify the opposite of Male, I mean thank you webster's dictionary. Yeah. That's powerful. So it has nothing to do with what's in your pants. Then do they say anything about Genitalia Well Yeah Yeah? That I. Could apply to. Help us but we're the science deniers don't forget that we are the ones who deny science as long as we're adding sub definitions just put. How you look in Yoga pants that's what determines if you're a male or female. Okay. That could be definitely one of the accurate than if you like uniphase the opposite of of. Of. Mail. Your female your hands right on. It is right there I already. We've missed from that story okay. So they've updated the definition. Yeah. As you mentioned, yeah. They having a gender identity that is opposite of male help of relating to or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs. Okay. So yes. So that is the there you go. A good definition scientific, but that's not all encompassing. Primary. Definition overtly acknowledges the biological reality of the female sex. It still does the I it is makes it distinct from the male sex? The US dictionary effectively negated its own definition. And that is true. That's. True. By adding additional explanations to seemingly submit to the radical transgender movement. So they also describe it. One of the definitions is having a gender identity identity that is the opposite of male. No I'm sorry. Identity has no partners so dumb. You. You can't just make up fake definitions because some people think that they should be offended by I don't know women being biologically different for men. This is. ABC Ear for Merriam Webster's Dictionary Suren, we're adding definitions to female where adding words that. Before didn't exist irregardless comes to mind Just it's crazy what a wonderful year. Right. It's it is a good word for it. It's. It's fun no because we've canceled discriminatory and take that out of the dictionary to make room for irregardless looking for happening. Villa job opening don't doing. Gray unleashed triple eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety, three also pat unleashed on twitter where lone-wolf tweets does this mean that Rem Song Shiny Happy People can no longer be played in the UK. UK. Or anywhere else Outta here hats gone. oops all berries tweets I don't own a dog but I may or may not a dog faced Pony Soldier From the Biden libraries. Kevin kind of tweets stop with the new words. My vocabulary was full at militia is. Less you're listening yesterday we learned that they gave us that. This is for you. You made the claim back it up. Know. How is he a racist? I'm not going to answer you why because you can't because you won't know because I'm pissed a you and you should leave our campus. Militia is this country. Kids militia. English because I suck it. Just because he has had his his. Militia. Our military yes. Be used to protect buildings against people who have been killed multiple times. Wait what he's protecting us against Zonta. The people have been killed multiple times. That's trump's trying to protect us from. Well, I want to be protected from people have been killed multiple times apparently, they come back from the dead. And that's kind of scary to me this scary writing. Yeah, it is. We're being joined. This is not scary. We're being joined by Hillary Kennedy of the four minute blaze. And our website of course Hillary Clinton Kennedy Dot Com. For. minute. Four Minute Buzz formatted what? We call the four minute blaze all except for Labor, should do A. Name. Change over there. But Hillary Dot com that's with one L.. Thanks. Thanks it's plug. So you have been looking into the cuties controversy a little bit on Netflix, right? Yes. So the last time that I was on your show, actually some of your viewers and listeners sent me information about this film because they had seen the artwork. So the film hadn't been brought to America yet it's a French film, but they had seen some of the artwork and they said this artwork. Is Disturbing because the film is about an eleven, a group of eleven year olds and one of them grows up in a strict religious. She's kind of looking for a way to break free from she feels oppressed and people don't understand her, and so she meets these other little girls who are in a dance group and starts kind of trying to explore growing up with these other little girls. So the poster that net flicks put out was very different from the French poster. And it's just it's there it is. It's very hyper sexual is. So people were outraged about the poster to begin with. Netflix. Actually apologized about the poster saying, this was a bad judgment call. We shouldn't have made this poster like this. So I apologize for that but then they said this isn't representative of the film. Yes it is. So I watched as much of the film as I could stomach this film is disgusting it is very, it's exploitive. I mean it's it's no softcore child pornography in my opinion I canceled my Netflix subscription as did thousands and thousands of people. NETFLIX's lost nine billion dollars in one day because so many people either saw song clips from it because they were so disgusted. It was their stock price. Plummeted immediately, there's I believe close to seven hundred thousand signatures on a petition to try and get the film pulled from net flicks. But also everyone wants the Department of Justice to look into this because what they show in this film really fits the legal description of exploitation of a minor. So I think to something that's been interesting. A lot of the mainstream media sources will say, Oh, it's right. Wing conservatives who are trying to get this film pulled from net flicks. That's not true. It is people from. Both parties no parties everybody it seems is in agreement about the fact that this film is would think Democrats can get on board with not with not sexually exploiting eleven year old girls I. Mean I hope they get on well Tulsi Gabbard came out and said, she thinks it's absolutely horrible and that they're complicit in distributing child pornography. Tom Cotton Ted Cruz I mean there's been a lot of politicians that have stepped up and said this can't go on our country Netflix's needs to be held accountable but to be fair I did find a positive review of the film and I think we have a clip of that Right off the bat, just first impressions regarding the controversy. This film does try to make you sexually aroused by eleven year olds. And I'll. I'll say it's not bad at it. It's not a total failure and in that regard at least for me. Okay. How disturbing is that? Because they they're scenes in the film where one of the little girls takes a photograph of her private parts to Upload Online. There's a scene where you see the actual breast of one of the young girls. Is Not True Netflix's claims that's not true that there's no actual nudity of the girl. Lying. That's amazing. Yeah. They're scenes I mean there's one scene where girls in her underwear and it's a close up and you can see everything and I there's a review talking about why someone who went and watched it with open mind and I would like to listen to his review as well because it really sums up how I felt about it. So what is the big issue you might ask? while. It's the fact that they showed it all on camera. The objectification was the film. These goals were onscreen working, humping the ground grabbing each other's behind, and they didn't just show this stuff they zoomed in. There's almost two minutes worth of close up shots of these goals, crotches, and backsides, and none of these scenes playing to the story not even one. You can't even see their face in most. Of the final Straw for me was when our eleven year old protagonist gets her pants pulled down by the bullies and we just fully see her in her underwear. That's the entire shot. Just her body actually jumped out of my chair when that happened not just because it was so uncomfortable but because it was so random and didn't fit what was happening whatsoever. Yeah. That ladies and gentlemen is cuties. Well. It's doc- aiding and these are these are people. These are girls than they actually were all I believe when they filmed thirteen and under they said, they had a child psychologist onset to help them work through some of the issues that the things they were being told to do. But I mean. What a slap in the face you're the one forcing these girls to do these things. So the fact that there are adults making the movie, there were adult parents consenting to their children performing these adult acts. It's it's disturbing on every level disgusting. To hear from these parents. But also when they auditioning girls for the film, they had everyone. Film auditions at home initially, and the more sexual moves that these girls did those were the ones that made callback were brought in for the in person auditions, which is also disturbing. WHO Why they couldn't have cast if they wanted to make this film why they couldn't have cast someone age who looked very young. The review the review just watch teammate a good point about the movie. Precious. It was about a sixteen year old girl but Gabbay that played the character she was I believe twenty six at the time. So why they couldn't have hired adults that looked very young more maybe made a documentary interviewing kids about their experiences or at turned this into a book I mean there's a million other ways they could have gone with this. Instead of having these young children reenact these disgusting things. Is there anything to the Netflix's excuse that this is actually an anti young girl working movie they're just trying to show you that it's bad trying to make some sort of social statement on that. I I think they could have gotten away with that if there weren't so many gratuitous shots in this film that were the reviewers said completely unnecessary completely unnecessary don't is that this shouldn't be happening but they showed they're trying to show that this girl kind of gives into peer pressure and feels like the way to get ahead in life and get out of her rough situation is to be more sexual and get more likes attention online and by people in your life and at the end she decides no I wanna I, WanNa leave all that behind and Lee lead my life as a normal little girl. So the message could have been really good. But the problem is the way that they are saying they're fighting exploitation is by actually exploiting these children in why don't you given into pressure yet and? And pulled it off I think Netflix. May eventually pull the film but right now it's in the top five because of all the publicity. So. In the meantime, why not get the most bang for your buck while you can, and then you know they have pulled other films. This is the thing Netflix's has pulled other films in the past. There were some outcry earlier this year about a film that they have. It portrayed black face and so they pulled that immediately. But with this, this has been going on for weeks and they still haven't pulled. You've made the point gone with the wind go all of these films that people had a problem with any streaming platforms. Gosh. When it came to social justice, they were pulled immediately so. It's not like Netflix doesn't have a history of pulling films. They've pulled films that China has said no, we don't. We don't want this on our streaming platform here. So in China has complained or Germany has complained or New Zealand has complained they have pulled films that those countries didn't want their well, Americans clearly don't want cuties streaming on net flicks and there it is. It's still in the platform. Really something else. Also. On another a topic your favorite athlete Conor McGregor, running into a little bit of trouble again. Ono did he actually sexually assaulted a woman? So they've released him without any charges. So he wasn't charged with thing they said pending evidence he could be recharged, but they have released him apparently a young woman said he exposed himself to her she's a young married woman. What is that? That's a quote from the store. That's what the police are saying. MARRIED WOMAN SO I. Got Yeah. He was over there with his fiancee and children but he's actually taken this pretty hard for Conor McGregor. He usually doesn't show a lot of emotion, but he did put out a tweet that has since been deleted saying I can't go on like this I mean he it was a very serious series of tweets where he almost sounded like he was I don't WanNa, say suicidal but in a very bad don't place but those have since been deleted I deny doing it. Was it was like a bar or something, and she was on her way to the restroom. He was at a table back near there and that's where his life no I believe he was with his management team and some friends but I. so I've always been really big on. You've gotta give people the benefit of the doubt innocent until proven guilty and I still feel that way man and tell you where it's bit me in the behind a couple of times bill cosby jared from subway. Arcelli I mean I've always like wait a minute. We've got to wait for the whole story to come out and there was always it's always been me in the behind. WanNa root for Connor. I. Defend him vigorously as I have. Bill Cosby in the past so. You want to believe the best. From subway subway was a tough one. One man I think he's still in prison I think so. For some time to come. Problem. So is connor coming back to the UFC or not? I don't know I mean he's retired so many times now that I think if he can get past this, I think he's got one or two really good fights left in him I think he's He's just got too much ego. I think to let it down I. Think he's got to go out like one more time and like a big flashy way. But thirty, one, thirty, thirty, one, thirty, two how old is pretty old for? In the final, how is he i? Bet You know his birthday date of birth time he was born. He's thirty three. She wants to say she but I I. I do wish he would come back and fight again I. He's my favorite fighter, but again, I I hope this news isn't true but you never know I hope it's not true too because Y- I'm tired of people doing the whole sexual assault thing and It would be nice if there's some famous person who actually didn't do what he's accused of right well as management teams. People are always looking for a quick payday and that's what we believe. This says Santa's management team must have I, mean if you sitting at the table with them and somebody walks by wouldn't they have seen the exposure as well? That's what's been weird about the stories there have been very few details I. Mean you haven't heard anybody really saying much about it so Come out and Standard. It's not true. I think that's why he wasn't formerly charged because I just don't think there's enough evidence to. All Right Hillary. Thanks a lot. We'll be watching for you on the four minute buzz coming up in. Just a few minutes. Yeah too bad. It's not full. Because that would have been convenient would have been unfortunately it's words ten minutes out so you need to get ready. All right thanks triple eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety-three also at pat unleashed on twitter. Got To tell you about score master. 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It puts you in control of your finances not the banks enroll in just minutes and see how many plus points score master can add your credit score visit score master, dot, com slash pat score master, dot, com slash path. By the way conor. McGregor thirty to. Thirty two years old. Oh, she was just acting like she didn't. It didn't seem like she was the stalker that she is of him triple eight, nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety, three also pat unleashed on twitter. Why is covid nineteen more deadly and people with obesity even if they're young. That's A new article from Science magazine Tackling that particular question very interesting numbers here. And see in the first. Meta analysis of its kind, it's published on August twenty six then obesity reviews. I usually wait for the swimsuit edition no no. That's the one time that's not going to work sir. That's the name of the Journal. Of the journal Yeah Ooh you think they're subscription count is up to two maybe. An international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer reviewed papers capturing three hundred, ninety, nine, thousand covid patients. They found that people will be who contracted covid nineteen were a hundred thirteen percent more likely than people have healthy weight to land in the hospital seventy seventy four percent more likely to be admitted to an ICU and forty eight percent more likely to die. Wow look at this graph look at the how so. I mean I think work your way up from the bottom. If you take the the obesity, count your about seventy percent of those that have died. and. Then overweight I think is another Twenty percent so really. The. The people with normal BMI a normal weight considered that only ten percent percent. Yeah. I mean, that is a fascinating umber right there. Why? Why is that the case now really strange I mean you'll have to check that The latest. Issue of Obesity Review Yeah and you don't need to wait for the swimsuit edition on this one because I know you do not. Think it comes up before the swimsuit edition. Yeah. I don't want subscription at all just going to get this one issue and be done. Meanwhile, Chinese gist who fled to the US after claiming Beijing covered up covid nineteen vows to publish evidence proving the virus is manmade. Go all I love Chinese people to become on. Glenn's even non scientists will be able to verify the data. Yeah respected Chinese corologis Dr Li Ming. Yon. Who specialized in variety and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health claimed that Beijing knew about the virus well, before reports began to emerge are we shocked no, Oh, absolutely nuts she's totally believable on this. She has since been forced to flee Hong Kong fearing for her life and appeared today on loose women. From. A secret location I'll write it. What is loose? I don't know change your show name please revealing that the Chinese government had removed all her information from government databases. Dr, Yan, claimed that reports the covid nineteen originated at a wet market in Wuhan are a smokescreen and she plans to publish a report claims has. The virus is manmade. Oh. SNAP. So. Men made on purpose and released on purpose dad I don't know that it was released on purpose but. They were playing around. She says, the first thing is the meat market in Wuhan is a smokescreen and this virus is not from nature. When asked where the virus comes from, she replied comes from the lab on. The genome sequence is like a human fingerprint she said and based on this. You can identify these things. I will use this evidence to tell people why this has come from a lab in China, why they're the ones who made it? Anyone even if you have no biology knowledge will be able to read it and check and identify and verify it yourself well. How come Dr. Dr Saint found she of DC hasn't. Hasn't told us about this fact he says the opposite. It's critical to understand it. She says we cannot overcome it. It will be life threatening for everyone she claimed that ahead of fleeing her country, her information was wiped from government databases and that her peers were told the spread rumors about her oh no not in. China. Come on they don't do that then no, that's nonsense I. Don't I won't hear of Yeah it was a believable article until then he pulls out that I will not have you saying this about our Chinese government friends come on. Right. Yon says she was one of the first scientists to study the coronavirus. There would become known as Covid nineteen claims at the end of December twenty, one, thousand nine she was asked by supervisor at the university to look into an odd cluster of SARS light cases that had erupted in mainland China. Though her medical and scientific contacts of through her medical and scientific on tax, she claims to have stumbled upon a cover up of epic proportions again but our evidence about human transmission and claims Beijing deliberately distorted details of the virus were ignored. During my investigation what I found. I've reported to my supervisor. There was no response because everyone was worried. Yang claims she saw nobody responding to a reports of human to human transmission and while there is fear surrounding the Chinese government, she could not keep silent. From the beginning, I decided to get this message out to the world and it was very scary in the world because I'm a doctor and I knew if I didn't tell the truth to the world, I'd regret it in the future. Okay. Brave Woman Yup really brave where she's hiding out but hope she's safe. Well. I. Mean we should keep it are safe. Right? We keep others safe who seek asylum here I would think that we'd keep this person safe and sound. And not only is the Chinese government. Covering up where this thing came from, but they're definitely covering their numbers. These still cling eighty, six, thousand or five or eighty, six, thousand cases and forty, six, hundred deaths. In China where this originating anybody buying that. We. Have almost two hundred, thousand deaths. They have four, thousand, six, hundred. and. No. No. Let me get a temperature check if you will. You get in that vaccine when it becomes ready. I don't know it depends. Depends I mean I'm not absolutely against it like you're I I would consider it. Definitely consider it. But if they tried to force me then I then I don't WanNa, take it. So don't don't mandate it. That's GONNA. Be I mean? Look at their track record with the mask they're going to, they're going to mandate it. It'll just it'll be interesting to see if that will be a condition on which you remain employed. In order to go to work, you have to have the vaccine in order to go to the grocery store you gotTa have the vaccine if you wanNA driver's license. Go to Disneyworld vaccine if you want your kids to go to school vaccine Mandate it. It's not like they're mandating pad. You could stay home all the time. Dean yourself you have that option permanently for the rest of your life. Stay in your house can do that. If you want, we're not telling you have to get it. This is going to get so it's going to be ugly. It is it's going to be ugly. What are the odds that they don't mandate like that in some way mandated I think of their about zero. Zero Yep. All right. We will sit with more news. On sorry won't be happy happy. He's been canceled. So you're going to be with Glen next right. Yes.

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S1E125: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 05/05/20

The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

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S1E125: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 05/05/20

"The take pity nevertheless has been made season the League you always John Candy. Think KIDS BILL OFF THOUSAND POUNDS Album THE MORNING. Everybody would want to bless each and every one of you guys. It is a talk Tuesday. Tuesday made a twenty twenty forty minutes after the hour. Welcome to Shawn Lobby more. So featuring singer Way You get your one stop by Chapman. Please show each other. Some love dissuade gets you morning love or you dead. Call the numbers. Five seven zero nine eight two six nine five zero broadcast radio DOT COM OF IHEART. Radio Talk Show Dot. Com Com radio facebook loud and all major podcast platform inability light in share the show. God bless each one. Sidney J up turned up Tuesday morning. And how will use Thursday in Good Morning Sean? I'm doing great and wanting to everyone happy and we have a great show for you today. We're going to get started with any where I will let you know what's going on locally in nationally so make sure you use the ground force back Kamran Saney. Good morning everyone here. In Bethlehem guys it is forty. Six degrees of highest going to be sixty three today is going to be sunny day in Strasbourg. Forty three degrees sixty one for the high is going to be sunny in. It's a possibility that there will be a little bit of clouds some time in afternoon and in Newark New Jersey forty six degrees sixty three for high fair and again a possibility of little clouds sometime in avenue but no rain forecast forty six in New York City. Six three for the high end sunny in Miami. Seventy five degrees eighty four for the high partly cloudy right now but the come out and it's going to be nice in sunny guys in. Atlanta six degrees eighty four for the high fair in a possibility in showers around eight o'clock. So if you guys are out please be careful in Los Angeles sixty four degrees ninety four the high in clear and in Chicago. It is forty five degrees in. That will be the high as forty five and it's going to rain all day in Chicago. That's where the half where you all. What's it look like what you are? Barbagallo that you live from the show having one show featuring DJ will you get to more on started right exactly see along? Always we started right. We have the The morning was like Eric. Balancing of we had the morning person. I guarantee you before nine. Am this morning your head will be buzzer sitting with us. You have was the nine o'clock hour we're GONNA have sending says in. I'll let you know what's going on in Hollywood and entertainment news. You don't WanNa miss it? Yes and we have a little harvey to sports guys. Stay tope okay so listen. Don't you guys go nowhere because you know what we're going to do when we come back? We're GONNA shout doctors out with the heart set in the chat. Will you know the anthem? You know what it is so here. We are grateful to be here on this chart of Tuesday. But we're going to do right now. we are going to go back to the morning. Drive will not here so we in the built and welcome. Everybody likes show ladies. Let's clap. One get savage album mash everybody. Now she's like the Mama Group I can't we at Girma. Kim You guys it Cinco Demayo. Any white is not a damn about the mile. Shaw wanted show a semi Barbie. Good morning how are you this morning Massachusetts Rally? You Coco seven out of lands on. You always said like the last week when it with the rain said it's GonNa Rain Forty nine days at ninety nights. Now it's GonNa be cold for number ninety days at ninety nine because everybody WanNa come outside and get reinfected to stop this cocoa but hopefully if you put your coats away then bring coke's got for the day you'll be fine with this are good. I need you back. 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I mean I guess there in the box but it just seems like such a daunting task. Oh No city I. I don't even have any tools over here for real. I have lake a maybe screwdriver. A maybe Allowed sometimes the girls. They come with the necessary to Janine so check. Check your opening in look incisively the blank. I look it. May it may be a blended plan clicking players. I don't know I get little alecky right right. I just spent a hundred fifteen dollars on. They'll have opened it up. I bought it like two weeks ago. And I'm going to give me a new one today too because it was a good deal at Walmart and it's a three burner. Actually it was actually impulse buy because I just went there to the grocery shopping but when I in summer comment the house by grills could be are grown woman stuff right grown with He. I just gotTa say you'll check tops. Behavior be hollering. Yes once foods. Good so I was in big grabs like okay. This girl a whole full. He got the baby involved. Well she actually got me involved because she had doing but you know my daughter she got into a low slick stuff for her and hello friends on the phone. So I took her phone away from her and I know she's been going through electronic withdrawal and all that so I was like. Let's do tick Tock but now I'm off to stop collecting the family. It's like Omar keep on cranking because they are definitely allowed. There's no question about we have doing. Sean Dowell talent is critical. Download them but I had a top like Avi so busy at elitist show. Grosso machine comes on and I'm so in for the whole day I have to go out to go do something mass on his coming in fast and hot well it is hard because it's like a production gotta change close so a and I know it is because I was like I gotTa do this. I say you know what. Let me just really answer time. But I haven't had an exact right. I feel you girl all apprentice to show apprentice you happy Barbie banking locate your shoutout girl every time. I don't know what it is. I promises name. And it's not upper cam here city. My subconscious won't be that's what it is. You're self conscious like no. I'm magazine I imagine just doing your behavior. Is You always remember when it's time to stop doing that? He's like the last one she goes old. My God I come back. Come on and everybody turned up. Tuesday Tuesday made the fifth twenty twenty seven Minnesota the outlook Bat Shaab features in detail by Glenn where we get our morning started right. Only place on earth will get you more than started to chat booed. Please call five zero nine eight two six nine five zero of we appreciate each and everyone else joining us each in every day. Thank you so much of body. Cologne good to see this morning. Let me get close up to camelback AC- if that old on only just one doing Rona check. Just checking on I. Up A body. Witless the weather light. What's going on everybody barbies back up? A guy is forty six degrees the highest go into B. Sixty three today. And it's GONNA be Sunny. I might have sparked my up today. Well who in Strasbourg forty three degrees sixty one for the high sunny and a possibility of some clouds later in the day in. Newark New Jersey. Forty six degrees sixty three for the high fair in Again possibility some clouds later in the evening but for the most part they it's to be a beautiful in the New York City. Forty six right now. Sixty three for the high end. Sunny and Miami is seventy five degrees the highest going to be eighty four today. It is partly cloudy right now. But it's going to come out and it's going to be a beautiful for the rest of the day at Miami in the at Hotlanta as cine will call it. Sixty six degrees eighty four I. It's fair right now. But it's a possibility of evening showers. So if you have to go out to be careful supposed rain really hard in Los Angeles. Sixty four degrees ninety four. The high in clear. Ninety South Beautiful forty-five is Chicago. Forty five will be the high and it's going to rain all day in Chicago. That's where the half for you on. What look like where you are coming to. You live from the show every reminded show featuring Cindy J. will get. You started right exactly where you want other right here on a turnt up Tuesday. Guess what I mean. The phones always ring on this. Show we to wait for for everyone who calls and while we in the break over the phone so we appreciate that but in saying that we won sat out the room and we want the knowledge everyone in the chat room and we definitely appreciate each and every Monday. You guys so Before the chat room. Let's show a stingy bottom Cologne creepers. Some love 'cause you're GonNa get thousands of folks missing just listed. You don't WanNa be in that room so we appreciate all the haven. God bless you up now to the all stars in the chat when we wanted to show your love of because without you guys. We wouldn't be here and we definitely appreciate you guys support. So I'm bobby come on. I'M GONNA test out the lungs because I've been directly involved with COCO now when we do the anthem and if I can get through it. I think that might might be cocoa freak. So let's test these lungs out and if I start coughing please somebody please look out for be since some assistance over here so but before we do it. I want to see the heart in the chat room with all our hearts and we need to see more. Because that's like the comfort zone right this so. Please put those hearts in chat that we wanted to show you some love on this tarped up to a heart attack in the chat room. Hey with a heart attack in the chat room with heart with a heart set in the chat room with a heart set. Cindy. Let's go turn down for what? Hey with a heart. Sac with a heart. Set a where the hearts turn down for what Hayes with with heart set. 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They're you know God's own coming down you I get 'em keep those kids is not a bobby. I think Oh go get me. I think the I think he came through with three or four. I think I might have to coastal about four times as far four times already case cocoa full-time just know where it's cocoa or the committee. I don't know which one was worse on your Dick. They way they gave you white milk for the committee of baggage. Today I would know never had it. Thank you Lord. You may never know so that committee now shine okay just checking. I bet that's one of the most common day right air. Most common a with to the clinic Bobby Cologne. I told her that. Like penises on fire. Bobby he went by one. Bob And we've net Yo. Hey put a morally the fire extinguisher on you stupid and that we have in the bill that Reggie Harley hey good morning Masan D. is he a good morning the sign. How're you have family Veneta George Henry in the Buzzer went up. When I oversee Eric Martin is here. Hello Hello overseeing how are you this morning Lynette? Net Net Serano is in the building. Good Mono- beautiful. Yes maroma Jackson. Hey wrote going on and show you a mess Wilson just pop in Good Morning Show. Hey neuroma jazzy okay. Geneva shedding point Roma's his name twice but about could ship. Mak- is in a building. What upshaw meek. God bless America. She'd been room for three days rice. Any yeah yes. He's after a couple of weeks. Yes you Math is in the building. What I'm glad to hear that you are doing so so much better. Thank you going to therapy now. And he's learning how to walk on walking again and put them gave his grant raft new back outside. Yes he will. Who else do we have in a building Jessica? Wilcox's here what I've just come on in you Jones. It's in the building. Good Morning. They young nurse is here. Hey we're GONNA get Martin Rory Treetop Frazier in the building or a man from Haiti crystal. Just pop thin. Hey Chrissy Lynn Rooney. 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If and guess what we'll do going back to the morning drive wheels screen with Dj Ninety eight with from that with a thumping those cindy take. Let's clap on Burma conscious single and no baby out. How you it right Hubble. Wait wait a minute. She says she has no babies and she single yet. What she's black like a nice black and where in your styling shots tile. She's in Chicago Fed's Cori- so she's in quarantine and she's and she has no children yes. She is living the life right now. Well then that means you must be out of her mind. Something's going on but we into that we find out what's going on with her of but welcome to the show young lady. God bless we'll be right back senior mental issues. Of course no girl you. I live in their wrangler night. Blessed well no since you're new into to this group Grow Up. I want to introduce you to send J. She's mentally challenged. He's out of reminds you. You're very smart young lady. She has beautiful young. Bobby a Barbie. Cologne is absolutely out of a mind. As well she's from Newark New Jersey Crazy woman in Newark New Jersey. I dated went ahead to call the police on have nerve Jada but very a very attractive young ladies in very good hearted folks in we welcome you aboard. Now Kim Leshan. You have a job to do here if you don't mind if you enjoy the show God bless you. We want you to have some of your friends come in and we welcome. So that's it and if you an illustration if you need to go on a trip got my friend Jacob Holmes he will take you on a trip to China our. He joins us. When you got here. She away goes Gary a much right. Everyone is crazy listening to this show. Okay I'm completely Arnold Weekly. I'm completely out of my mind and I've shared that thousands of times and I have rejected all medications from the doctors so I'm completely out of my mind and you're listening to me every day. Everyone please reevaluate your mental condition. If you're listening to me that's all I'm saying article. We'll be right back. Well I guess we Kinda got to be a little crazy. Every Sorority sorority out is my act until she said she's GonNa share it with her songs in the variety because he's been in quarantine for the last Leyland School. How old are you? How do you eager may thirty three parties pointing forty? Sean is fifty five? I'm fifty five years old. She del Chan girl every time. Every time there's a sobriety they always say Delta Week Kelly Kells on Delta everybody's into Delta. What about the other? My when my aunt? My Aunt Susan Mount a new Queen Diane Good Morning. How you Queen Whispers Up Jesoni? She's fifty years old. That's right girl. I'm fifty five years old young lady. I would talk to you but I'm currently in a relationship right now. She's single and no kids single in quarantine say there's something wrong. Listen see what happens when you prematurely valuing cocoa by yourself everybody welcome to join in net. Please welcome to the jungle as Sean. You do comedy in Chicago Ever. Yes. Comedy comedy. Disa- cargo area. I've done comedy all through the Midwest. When he said you know the before cab cast this. Somebody wanted to eat among a rat in China. Now I can't go out and one comedian everything that's going on here. There's no global traveling. There's no food. Is His life good? Stuck in this town is Maureen makes this morning talk and this town wherever so all the neighbours though in cocoa to hoping though. I'm supposed to Caribbean earn July. I don't even know what that's going to happen but we'll see oh Damaris de Good Morning Damaris love you to death. That's my homegirl. The marriage you said what city Damaris who. I love the death of XP Mex- Her best friend. Abe Avis Denise night as you damaris. Post a picture on the subway and she was dressed in aluminum foil. Like you couldn't eat it all. Because he was protecting herself old unnecessary. Leshan I would The new for the new. Listen God bless you I would. I would talk to you like I said I'm in the relationship and I have two girlfriends in the chat room at my chat rooms though. Just please enjoy the show. Way You want you saw on the Logan in Veneta those of my girlfriends and chat so please a everybody else fall back back to work past a you know. Listen Listen Listen listen ladies. I'm having my own show over here. Got Okay right I come back. It is a turned up of Minnesota attorney of Tuesday. Tuesday Maelstrom Twenty Twenty. Twenty minutes after the hour back show featuring Sydney Jalen co host Cologne. Where you get your twenty started right only place on earthly you get. You WanNa Start Right. We broadcast Monday. Friday five seven thirty to ten. Am EVERY DAY. So we appreciate your. The phone lines are open. You could call an end in numbers nine five seven zero nine eight six nine five zero broadcasting live or I heart radio radio DOT COM. The Shaw One show DOT COM COMEDY. Worldnet radio the Almighty facebook Blah and all named all parked on Ashani. One is show a cine. Bobby no shot now. Listen Listen Listen Listen Listen Overseas. I need you to go back to Your Bible. Studies Not Hooking. Everybody up. Coach wants go back. Put Your role one practice for Sunday. We want you to let us know which preaching about on Sunday with the hoops right now. Where's your where's your wife? That Sir I don't understand why Donald put your wife wanted to thought right now sir. Where's your wife? Well you better stop this. I'm tired of you hooking up everybody while you're ripe is at work. This did not hold me at search. All your deacons trying to get your smash on. He says quack this with. You'RE GONNA preach all Sunday Sir and I need you to do a community service like you've doing sir. Okay Purpose Akagera. Now you want to Hook Up. You haven't even hooked up sending Jay yet. The Right Reverend Cocoa Borrow. Say nothing to mess with your talking about me. Oh Kobe who GOCO VIRA SAY NOT MESS WITH POWER. Christ's compel you Kreisky. Who Go ahead. Go Go go made a Christ. Impel you do rule called. Say Not in the best. We're going do. We want to go down goblets but my apartment Cologne. If you don't mind turned up Tuesday any local weather here and insane asylum right here on his Co. Silo with you went. Oh Aram to have all of. Are you ready grab art? Who did you your agrees me move? Illu laughing they want to go on without worry would do you copy the whole world swift horse not say way cocoa. I'm saying that northwest. Where just that's what I'm talking about you. Harmful influence on a here about bloom. Bright Guy now guys is forty six degrees going to be three today and it's going to be spent in Strasbourg forty-three high of sixty one and sunny with a chance of clouds sometime in APP. Or you a little where you are coming to. You live on the show. Have him on the show features? Jay Will you get you WanNa start a rag weed you get your morning started right. We really appreciate each and everyone of you guys So I guess what we're GONNA GET RIGHT INTO A lab tests. A front page news occurs. I know there's a lot of women on winner You got a lot of news going on A A again. This identification this right here. No just before we talk about a little. Bit of Coco says we talked about Koko. Look Power Tower this agile. So let's go with Cindy. Jc The ESTA the double N. Y. In you can't deny the got the front page news Fox News Joe Santa Jay. She goes away. She's the estimate Eagle if it can't Bernard you got the news front page news yo or your real quick. Y'All tube you so much for that yes. I do have News for you guys today. The first thing that I'm going to talk about single Maiyo because it is a day here and a lot of people do not know what it is. Maybe where comes from has some misconceptions so I'm GonNa give you a little bit of information on Cinco de Mayo for anybody that doesn't know. Cinco de Mayo means five of May so may which is today. It is a Mexican holiday. Many people think. That Cinco de Mayo celebrates Mexico's Independence Day or something like that. But this holiday celebrates Mexico's victory over France in the battle of play Blah and that happened on May fifth in Eighteen. Sixty two now. It was a relatively minor battle but the French we cleaned Pueblo. A year later on eighteen sixty three. The Fridge actually came back in and took it over. But it's a symbolic one. Because small Mexican army defeated a larger occupying force by eighteen sixty seven Mexican troops had France out of the country permanently again. Singled Mile is not Mexico's Independence Day. That holiday is actually on September sixteenth and it commemorates the Greek dull day the Which is a priest ringing of a church bell in the town of Dolores in eighteen? Ten that triggered Mexico's War of independence from Spain. So that happened before in France. So there you go Single also is not the day of the dead which is also known as GM those That is a three day. Holiday which families across Mexico gather remember deceased friends and family members? And that's actually from our number thirty first to November second so You know in it for some reason translated over into America probably because we have a lot of Mexican immigrants if you are in Mexico and you did celebrate it. It'd be something that you celebrated here so you know if you want to celebrate it any way you want. Most people celebrate it you know. Listen tacos and I'll probably be doing that. I like to go out with my friends today. So I'm actually doing it and memory of my friends that we can't be together. So shout outs Mexico. And they're small Mexican army that defeated the larger occupying force Boo to France. Did you like that show Chat Room? Put a number one in a chatroom if you give a damn about single. Demayo listen just because you have Latino Pena's day and even barbeque Cologne. Had the Latino pain is he doesn't with damn about no smarter. Do you care about my own. Listen It's good to know a little bit about everything. So somebody says nobody Mexico's Independence Day. You not you know. We don't hear not twelve La Battle of him. Lobe Super Mahler. Nobody aw doors. There's no that city Jay. I'll probably to the simple hope. Toast up tonight. I just wanted to get everybody now. Snap Row Sean. Everyone one learn anything new. Nobody learn something new. You know said we got killed. One thousand people dropping into the cocoa. You sit up here ready to tow stuff for so good. Mario. I'll give a debt. Listen I got a lot of Mexicans I love. I'll give a damn about this. I will obviously because you didn't play any music that I asked for me. Thank you trying to get people trying to get people in the mood. Lukewarm or to move inside the quarantine or move for what that's who wasn't sickle the Meyer Today. Put on some music you know. Get some good vibes. Slow Guests Tequila. Make yourself a alone Margarita. Enjoy the sunshine. Shy soon saying do a to stat you need you need some emergency peanuts are slim. You have too much free club. Your Tick Tock in your celebrating sequel. Demayo was going on with truth either. I just started to pass the time you know what I'm saying. I'm getting comfortable in my home. I coming out. It's a hunker down and do what I can't and within these walls number one in a chatroom if you care about if you is this is ridiculous energy God thank God God bless the Mexicans. I like I said I got Mexican prints. I love with respect respective but you black folk city day single. Look at me. Your mother has infected you with watching all these grady bunch and all these Babylonian shows through all your life that you on the single Demayo that no one cares about since you only one in this room right. Now that cares about Barbie. Cologne has no worse. Because she's ready to move onto the next door neighbor. Can't nothing about the bio and and you would you gonNa do you GonNa Crack Open Corolla to go trick or corona to disrespect the cocoa that you to do to why you take your shot to kill it this afternoon on the holiday that no black folks. Jay about well when you say it like that. God bless you in sync with Jane which Mexican buddies who I love the deaf and now respect but black folks don't care put up a one you don't care about but look all the ones in the chapman you wanted ones in the channel once in a chat room. Because I don't care about and he I guess the chat room you guys are pulled. Replay latest city the chat rooms. It's not even be Sanjay. I know you're always come down because I talk a lot. Is I get a city on the chat room? That black folks. I'm sorry rich notice and I don't mean to you this sending black folks to care for your lead story. You should be ashamed of yourself but blacks the but that which you do not you and bobby team. I'm which percentage j you should be ashamed of yourself by starting off. New Store Will Cinco de Mayo. And then you have live into what you GONNA do for the rest of the day for Cinco de Maya postal kid thing. Nothing single US folks in there will even had known it was six months goblets. Nobody so that's a no a can you let her know that is number ones and down that chat room. Yeah and then by once the whole ones who once I I. You like a goal I love you like Cj. I Love Bobby. Cologne article owners like my little sister. Because she's too old to be my door. You really starting really young but yeah we. We like brothers new you would. You would be my sister. You'd be my my other sister bumper. Cj my oldest shining able. I don't blame no case saying they came here rag. I don't blame you a blamed. That mother kept me away from the black culture. She did a great job. I mean you know went mentally crazy and it's nothing wrong with that because I can identify since Jay. God bless you. Respect your story. But we don't give a damn about no single and his. It's like say at Saint Patrick's Day like we really care about Saint Patrick's day the but we do because people like to drink but let's say eat that's always about black people celebrate holiday. That's not for us because we eat and drink. Sydney where where we celebrate national black? What do you see any Mexicans running around celebrate with no birthday closed for Mexican men? They love the black giant. That's facts. Well they don't celebrate with us. I love Mexican. I love Mexican one of my friends Mexican. I love allows. It's all good all celebrate with us. I'm always go out on this days. It's married sentimental to me celebrate. Celebrate your visit. Celebrate your culture and other news Canada and then you know what? Glaxo's look look Sean who tackled tools to tackle it's Taco Tuesday like what are the chances that Taco Tuesday what they gonna Bio Right. You know what I'm saying Ed and it's all being destroyed by Corona Sean the name of Mexican Beer. It's a travesty. I tell you a travesty if the bars were open today what kind of snaps. Weekend Tuesday or think bio. It's like from God. It's like a joke. Ado Ado respective that. You glorify those holiday Tuesdays. They go the Maya we can get better and we stuck is not an. I love Mexican old. You don't like people sometimes Mexico along with Mexican food. I'm very concerned. On the way you glorify this holiday senior very that you know the cause of it. Fight the whole thing with ACTU-. Did you ever see the movie belly? You say no. You never numbers last year. Last year I started. Never seen that. You never so Harlem nights none of these great movies until you came onto this show. But you have all of the inflammation that we need for. Cinco de Maya singer very deserved. I my research. Do you know the Mexican national anthem. I you know I shoulda Shoulda Hatton name okay. We can be very disturbing Ned Cine J. Glorifies this Mexican holiday like I'll say this respectively to my Mexican friends a disturbing that this young lady glorifies this holiday. I don't find it disturbing. I think everyone should be well rounded with different Nash What not gonNA clean it now? Keeping nothing is your black woman said He. Maybe there's a black woman the glorifies disrespect. I love Mexican. I love Mexico Cindy where you glorify this holiday dister also like Jennifer Fischetti said. There's other things today to teacher appreciation day and also giving Tuesday. So if you want. You can think a teacher like myself as the you or you can donate or volunteer. If you don't want to eat tacos and SIP Tequila with me. You can thank teacher donate or volunteer. Your time rebel. Everybody who's doing that in lieu of Cinco de Mayo. Right and Canada Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Has Banned assault style weapons. This is two weeks after. A gunman killed twenty two people in the country's deadliest mass shooting in modern history. Everybody time I surely habit. Everybody says it's the deadliest but is the deadliest where we have school. Shootings rob these. The Las Vegas like every shooting is. The deadliest wouldn't say that to the to the victims is the deadliest to them. I know I know. But I'm just that. Why even say the curb the deadlier that makes him? So I mean we're still gotTA have shootings. They're all horrific. The ban covers about fifteen hundred types of military grade. Assaults are weapons as well as mortars and rocket launchers but not handguns Trudeau said. The measures are effective immediately but disposal of the weapons will be subject to a two year amnesty period while it may seem extreme by American standards some Canadian outlets have criticized the move as not extreme enough trudeau has been promote promising to beef up gun control since being elected in two thousand fifteen so and this is the first time he's banning assault style weapon which I mean is a good thing. They should be banned. We all know that Obama. Put THEM ON THEM HERE. And then trump lifted them so now anybody can get an assault style weapon. You have to wait like three days. You don't have to have like. I think they still have the mental health check in place by Gary Lucy. The hospital about weapons in Etowah band the of the weapon that we don't need it. And if you WANNA buy market up a ten thousand percent of the weapons fifteen hundred dollars mark that same soul style weapon up to twenty five thousand up. Lotta will go with right and again. Our condolences to those folks. How the president just said you know what we banning all of this right now right on. But the way he did applaud. Contact trae saying which is a big thing going on right now as states Local government agencies and everything trying to find a way especially with everybody opening up there trying to find the best way to contain this day tech companies are going all in on the practice of contact tracing now contact tracing of anybody does it now is basically when you the CDC Very light infectious diseases. Places are doing it already. That's basically when you say that you have it and they ask you. Who Do you live with? Where did you go in this fourteen period and then make a little map and try to determine who you may have come in contact with during that time now apple and Google are working together to develop software that can help people manually track whom they have come in contact with and whether they have been exposed to the virus the two rival companies shared a series of images guidelines for government and public health authorities to integrate with their own contact tracing APPs including how users will be notified if they have been exposed the UK is also testing contact tracing APP using different technology? That will alert users if they have been near someone who has tested positive so I mean I think it's really I think it's a little like sci fi but I mean if we can have an APP in our phone we just love and see you know the hot spots quote unquote that are around us. I think that would be excellent. Did something like that in China already and is coming here to America. I'm telling you any and it's unfortunate. You know like they reopened in the country in the death to count still goes up but they going to try to force everybody outside reasons this one of the ways they going to do with this APP. Yeah with contact tracing. I mean it's very I mean. If people are being honest you know what I mean when people are not being honest and things like that it causes problems it but I think most people will With the economy Clothing Company J. Crew has filed for bankruptcy and it could be first of many major retailers to fall victim to the pandemic economy. Stores have been shuttered. Hundreds of thousands of retail employees have been furloughed and companies are losing most of their sales. Especially this really crazy time because we already know. Retail stores were already on the decline to online sales on. This is bad news for other struggling. Brands like sears. Jc Penney Neiman. Marcus meanwhile the Aviation Aerospace Industries. Continue to struggle. Ge Aviation announced plans to accelerate its cost-cutting by permanently shrinking. Its global workforce by as much as twenty five percent. Screw this year. That is that includes cutting as many as thirteen thousand jobs in its jet engine business. United Airlines has encouraged employers to consider voluntary separation from the airline as it looks to cut costs and jobs United Airlines. Why would they will? What was going on or have city. Yes I just hit my my stand so you know that's going on. I think that's crazy. Biology telling people to voluntarily. Yeah but you see your companies have to pay. The unemployment rate was yes oversee. What's GonNa Happen voluntarily separate at not getting the so if voluntary separate will you approve my unemployment? Because I'm elise that money to take care of myself yet and you know what you're absolutely right but that's the setup you almost see the setup trae young everybody gotta go back to work because everybody thinks I mean. You don't have to go back to work. Give them all. You can reinvent yourself. You can do whatever you want. No question about it but this will be a time where they're going to say. Listen we gotta cut you know. We got to cut production. Because everybody's home. He didn't go out in biology. Purchase these things and some of us. Don't understand that now. Are they willing to sacrifice the economy for live? That's with this. That's what this is going to me. The way I look at it because they reopened in their country to save the places but a sacrificing laws. And then these companies who are chopping in twenty five percent and saying hey. We don't know we pay you. This is very disturbing. Nash Swat if we will all listen if we will we will all we will all listen in practice because there's no cure yet to this no-vaccination so if we vaccine Rican just separate eight in practice the social distance sending all of this then these jobs in these companies can survive but we wanna come up so early that they can't do it so now they're laying off everybody and is nine no money in that step that unemployment fund and they were doing the when the economy at some point. Take some time at the end of the year. Everybody gotta go back to work if you sit there and go. I'm not one of go back. Or whatever they don't get and they are not going to qualify you for unemployment rate is this. I mean this is what I won't say it but everybody wanted to go outside. Everybody one so let you talked about the trace part of this singer. I think all of the initial including ourselves. We could kind of trace. Who have been with. That's that's a good thing but people go outside. Everybody wants to go to the beach. Everybody WanNa be in front of the state capital guns WanNa go outside and a distinct just won't stop and you WANNA see more companies cut. More people in every was out of work. Yes this is listen of a major world. Were done anyway right the mall. The malls has been was done anyway. And now it's really going to be done. So yeah you know you gotta you gotTa reinvent and you've got to do something else because if you're sitting there and unemployment and all that that is not going to last okay. The government can write a to a two trillion dollar check. They could get that money back. There make fifteen trillion off that to will keep risking writing checks right so what you said about the active radar. Did doing it in China. We all need we all need. That's why I'm saying body. You have to win when it's time to get tested for the corona virus. You have to take the test. Yes taking the those who take the dress because attract if you have it or not isolate they give you whatever so we can all go back so we can go back also Joe Biden Twenty twenty information Joe Biden did interview. He was talking about his recent elections with the Senate aide. A Tara Reid who had the allegations brought against him He went on to say that No such thing ever happened and he encourages omb sorry he had an eighteen minute interview and he denies claims that he sexually assaulted read but also said she had a right to be heard and asked the Senate to locate any complaint she filed in the nineteen ninety s meanwhile are Biden's vice presidential committee says that they are looking at more than a dozen women to fill the role of is the running mate and there are just under six months left for November's presidential election it looks Li- Bernie Sanders and Andrew. Yang are teaming together to file a lawsuit against the election of the New York Election Board Committee because they changed the date of their primaries amid corona virus outbreak. It looks like it looks like a burden is still even though he's told people to you know he's endorsed Joe Biden. He's still tallying his constituents to vote with their heart a November Hussein Hussein Bernie Sanders because he's a sore loser. Continue on your support an assault rain. So that's right out for election twenty twenty even though Biden. It hasn't been out there on the campaign trail is he's still you don't try to do his thing. But behind the scenes I encourage Biden's team to make his platform clear So that we know what we're getting into come the election you know because I know that there's a lot of people feeling you know a loose in this whole process right now or maybe you might be feeling that way I do. I do you know about linked to feel confident and secure going into elections out last night. We have the situation Bobby Cologne who also was very adamant about the way. She filled out greed. A win women have these sexual charges against them of sexual assault charges and they WANNA follow against the man they always do it at the opportune time which I think is wrong barbed cologne a right. Barbie remember you was like that. Wasn't right and agent. With a woman a woman comes to the forefront and said that she's been sexually assaulted by any man of forget about Abidin. Whatever I just don't understand why they do it at the time. When this is running for president she said she said that you found some complaint with the Senate floor. It's not did it. Can't find it in the greatest thing is if it was there wouldn't have surfaced when he was President Barack Obama's running mate your Sydney. What happened during that time but Badgen just faking his pay. Probably say all this nonsense. We'll take a break in the minutes and they'll go on to the next door but let me tell you something city. I totally agree with. This woman was twenty nine years old when this happened to her. This is the role at woman. At this point she gets sexually assault. You could go to the police immediately. This is a done deal. This is real easy to go all the way back now. Twenty thirty years and now you're going to come up with no room and JOE is even saying. Oh look up information. She said she got a right to say what you want. Let's get this prove out. Cindy this wove. I'm just saying like in a Bernie. Who's a frigging soi loser and the other one? Yang who had the great policy about giving everybody thousand dollars a week. I like that. I'm blind a month but the the the state of New York for not having apply Mary as it. Really all about you Bernie this thousands of people dying in New York. You already can see. Joe What is your problem and you will have vice president. This is very exciting because women wanted to vote for a woman anyway so now so please if this would this bring it out you take. I hate to say this. And I'm not minimizing under Barbie Cologne but the sexual assault charges on these famous. Folks are starting to play outs Jay. Unless you walk through. That happened that day is also on the loose. I'm so sorry I know how you advocated all of that but I leave Joel if you can't find it. This is stupid to me. I was a soak to Sydney J by a beautiful woman. I'd have been artful women on a regular Barnacle back in the day. I was sitting. I was assaulted by this back in the days. I didn't call the bully. I'm sure you didn't of course you did sean. Hey maybe he should say you know worked for Donald Trump. He had like twenty a saw accusations against him he presidents right so maybe maybe Jochen lean into a little bit work view maybe a month or maybe I don't like Joe Biden and I don't so maybe that might be. This might be something personal which you I. It is a personal decision so right now with the elections was held today. Would you vote for Jim? Amongst these allegations of sexual assault libraries. My Business Sean. I know your vote is your business. I'm the same. Would YOU OFFER JOE? I don't I don't know I'd say would you know you? Listen I'm talking to a woman who celebrate Cinco de Maya so already my question is would both for Joe Right. Would you forgotten? I mean if Bernie was on the ballot I would vote for Bernie my Joe Biden. I don't know if it's JOE in King. Forty five are they're black people that are voting for Germany garden or king forty five because then you seen oversleep that day so not so if you don't vote for Joe Biden Cindy J. Then you sip your given a vote to king forty five I mean. Is it really railway because every vote count if you don't vote for Joe This Louisville but Joe Biden Donald Trump? Yeah Yeah right that so so right city. If you don't vote for down a Joe Biden then you're gonNA give that vote. The king forty five. That's the king. Kong GonNa vote for Joe Biden. I just don't like and it doesn't set while in my soul. We'll be right back Dr. This sounds so painful him. I don't much joe because I feel like he doesn't have any. I mean I know. Trump doesn't either but like actually trump didn't have a platform he made. He made his like like he just doesn't like useless coming in here just and again riding on a wave of the black man because of Obama had paid this way for you as far as putting you in the White House where you know what I'm saying like you're only getting the vote because people trust you because he was which you know what I'm saying so again that white rise to the top off the back of a black man you know what I'm saying. People are still talking down about Obama. Supposed to go and vote for him just because like. I don't like that and I don't like how many be handling these little girls either. The oranges go look up. Compilation of Joe Biden a little girl. That it you see. It's weird Bro. It's weird you ever stand in front of a little girl that you don't know her Russian her hair weird that's just feel vote or whatever it moving say you're not either one. He's going to let me know of Madman. It's part of the problem too when African American community. So you need to repay that buddy so grabbing the woman's Vagina is better pay for trump's Trump's president each in the you making me very nervous is the advocate until the king fully. Not just really know because you know I. I got into voting like years ago saw I really got into it like I read up on people. What they're doing what they're you know what they were voting in the Senate what they were for what they weren't foreign so I'm doing the news and everything I really got into it so to me. It's not just just take this one like I really care about. Who's in there? And what their beliefs are what they wanna do so it you know if you really want to talk about voting you should be passionate about it and you should want to put somebody in there. You think that's going to do something for you if you're not passionate about. Who's in there? It's going to make you upset. You should have passion behind you. Can't it's my wife and I should be able to vote for who I want to vote for and I don't like setting to me like Joe Biden some type of savior. There's another when he was when he was vice president. What he wasn't doing damage that you talk about nothing do nothing policy. Flip the president. Who's playing behind the scenes Cedar Rail Behind the scenes? He pulled them Alania on that. One disagree with you since day. You just said you check a lot of folks record. I would go back and check. Joe binders when Obama Administration but city. You do have two options you have. You don't have to vote at all or you can both king forty five. Who who's this man came? Forty five is a a open racist? You know you're a note that he doesn't like black PEOP- black folk king forty five. Let's go with the record. Take forty five has never been in the hood. Rice in the Joe Biden has the whole black support we talking about. That doesn't mean he's going to shine. He goes to the hood. We're talking about all black. People Mobile is. Cj Why do they love him? A A king forty five has not one real black person in his administration. Well I'm you. Trump is of course. You don't need to sell me on. Not like saying that I like him. I don't I don't like biting either. You have that right of course but what I'm saying is making me very nervous. Single good by a matter is just going to be an otherwise. I in their message. Stuff up that is you know. But that's all right now. That is wrong out of you know looking better and better each Mike share with you all the time. More impact your blurts and get the hell out of here but sitting at my whole thing is you is very concerning with you. How negative war about the Democratic candidate and out? You're very undecided. Sided was only two of folks to vote for employees If you don't vote in this next election You are voting for Donald Trump. I know that shine. I'm very aware please chat room reach out the city Jay. I'm very concerned. Love silly like the daughter but I'm very concerned very concerned Israel. Where right bobby looks like you talk. You're talking about checking everybody's records and If you check. Donald Trump's is a foregone conclusion. Would you say I want Bernie to to get the nomination for the for the print is he? I mean you know but unfortunately barbeque alone. Just what trump's support on the lot so all we want to show us only come on everybody. Clap Man Kathy. Hey Leonard who roy? Hold on hold on. Hold on a second. This is a man that one shattering them. The week that doesn't care about you know In My Linda this'll be weird that I'm going to save you but I think if you talk the city Jay long enough. She might converts of might have so. That might WanNa lane towards the trump can't of words you would like to say the Sani to Kinda she she hates Joe Biden. Addictions vote She doesn't like US platform. Maybe she she. Since it is since added platform I would want to vote for Joe. Wright somebody let me know what it is exactly and I know about the platform was to get bounced off out of office now Captain Katie. My we'll talk if you was to pick Cindy J. to come over to the other side with King Forty five Captain Petty. What would be one of the first introductory kind of conversations? You would have with undecided. Voter like Cindy. Jake Kaplan Pat yes. He's undecided. I would probably say that city. Jay would be undecided right. I don't know if she was undecided. She just not happy with the choice she gotta choose okay. That option is that means who want shoes by. I mean she she choose Joe progressing that we don't. We don't know that we don't see might see. I got faith in as you might go. Bopha trouble chopper. She might go in their booth. Vote for the came. A Hacker Betty sell in drive through two bit someone who joined the King Forty five movement. What would you say this Joe Biden Apply Bill Clinton put off other. Calls vast incarceration that black. Everybody drunk can hold on. Lynda Jacobs call in to fill free Linda. Without you'LL SIDNEY J wouldn't even be on this show but call in. Sydney is undecided continuing credit calls. You know what? What are you going to be fought rightful? When you Dov registration through the whole match incarcerate fall to the people that have bought into the prisoner. Investor POUT LEX donated money off. Blackhawks crashed already already. Get some strikes against Joe with the mission of black folks passing the bill under the Clinton administration will by Leisa play both sides of the fence. Now you have to play both sides of the fence that you've been Gordon Catherine Petty. Is there anything else that you might want to stay? 'cause you'd see undecided at the moment. Is this anything else you would like to say the KUNA convincingly Jada Join The king forty-five hanging body joined the trump campaign party. You know chain Mega. I was saying you know. I mean that's right. It is what it is all align and he said city. Would you like to join the mega mega movements in his Aga- magazine Maga- movement? How does that feel she had? Gi chocolate a canvas and he was talking about women's America. Great brace when you Service dog people and not just to the net worth of fifty million dollars. I don't have two million dollars net worth something pretty okay. That's why I came out of his mind against America was great. We had slavery segregation. And you know I guess. That's what America was great y'all Africans that year he. He's he's doing the mental gymnastics thing about it. He said how slaves get hit the first but would you. Would you like your fellow. Babylonians brought us here. We was practically Africa today. What they lazy ass over there because they WANNA do the damn work over. That's why we have okay. Chain eating regulates record makes profit or a captain captain. Petty would you? Would you invite city? J. To a mega rally the rally would you know. I don't I don't do that sort of thing I mean. Don't you know somebody black? Come to center on all Political Conrad Off Thinkers album cine. You might I mean he saying all the right things. This might be something you might want to investigate in J. joining the king forty five movement. he's not gonNA solicitude to join this movement but he in subtle ways like come on over and hang out with us. I don't WanNA join try. I don't I don't support hand. No join him. He'll crave either. Tell me I mean I will vall for Biden to vote but I feel like I'm doing it under duress this city. You don't have to do the duress at all. Nobody's forcing you do not. You're undecided voter. And maybe you want to hear all the issues maybe my one here with forty five have to say the king or Joe Biden. Come to your decision and I'm already. I WanNa hear which that was Bernie Burns. Not through between Bernie normal. Well he'll run again for a year. So would you sewage? I will help his campaign for years because Bernie will run against A. Would you say would be safe you? I'll see I'm going to see who biden and takes for his vice president and see what she talking about that. Maybe I'll get behind him okay and if you don't would you not vote this it now? I'm still involved voting for the King Donald Trump this year when you vote for the king a would you have on your trump shirt. Because you way would you go to the forest whole intimidation and they won't let you vote is why folks is a bunch of black hole so we now now states neighbor George Stash. She had in the problem that you've had all perch Barbara's yet team but she still loves her have all black. Republicans in Georgia radio so when you go vote with would you fellow? Black are so. They don't know who you voted for. They don't want US Blackpool's go to vote. We kind of know who all right when you turn off the paperwork that attorney and should you right ex that you know you're not disclosing Europe so so listen behind the scenes. I want you to reach out the city Jake happened. She has to to make her do that will. Maybe she might need just shared experiences. Maybe might WANNA join the king. And now now we only city Kingston lose any you tell you something right now. Like I said I know your Mama's tripping out but let me take this on we say I love you like the Senate vote for the king. Forty-five would not change the way I feel about you. Senior shot voting for before we go to all that's been missing for the last week was born over you the family. That's the first time that I have experienced watching a funeral. Stray dog you too because it's an only be people there and I was trying to be of the nephews because I the last rookie awful that they were so after spending a lot of families. The song This past so you know. It's it's a bad experience and you have. John People who've been rough walk upright exteriors really decent. You know a great uncle uncle. And how well listen condolences to you? Captain Petty now on the back grooming. God blesses we've gotta go goblins funny so let's get back into the news. Let's get back to be okay. I have I have turns up a story for you. Have a couple of them one. A New York City woman stabbed her roommate for criticizing her drinking. You know this is all you know. Because we're accords. He'd everything that people living together Ny nuanced any woman. Said she was stabbed to death by her roommate and it was all because of her drinking during quarantine the victim's name Tatyana Nazareno La Raza Renova. She's an upper east side resident. Who was living with twenty seven-year-old Daria Alya Babe amid the lockdown Tatyana was repeatedly stabbed and die because Doria wonder to stop drinking. Titanic detailed the weeks leading up to the alleged stabbing sang. She used to live with Dr Yan California years ago. They recently reunited on the East Coast where she was trying to help her get back on her feet. The victim claims Daria always had a drinking and partying problem but that she wanted to lend a hand to her new friend because they're both rushing and that's what they do says. Daria actually got worse while confined indoors actually allegedly drinking all hours of the day. Which finally boiled over a few weeks ago after near-fatal confrontation law enforcement sources? Tell US Tatiana found a Whiskey Cup in the living room that after she apparently told to only drink in her room so she took her her shock class through it in the same and that set Doria. Tatyana did that. Yeah that's all that. She grabbed a night and started stabbing Tatiana with multiple stab wounds and bleeding profusely. Doria took off after the stabbing. This is all Rohner. Y'All all I'm going crazy. These here homes in these Chrome River Street. She left her with multiple stab wounds and bleeding profusely. Doria took off. Paramedics were able to stave Tatyana after getting her to the hospital. Police actually got Daria. Eight days later booked on attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. And she's rightly she's currently in rikers right now. Ronas sanctuary on a Sunday and she has She's Audubon for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for once again like Captain Petty says you know domestic balances on all tongue. I yeah they're saying that during the attack totten underwent surgery to treat a stab wound Abdomen also received stitches to repair lacerations to her head shoulder. Face and hands. Her face has a cut about three inches long. And she's experiencing numbness in her fingers has no feeling in the top. Half of her lay where she was stabbed in the it was she survived. She survived barely merit. Right like this minor. She's drunk already so girl was drawn to know. I guess the the girl that got stabbed. She didn't want her to drink. And you know what she was just trying to be a friend to her to probably telling her like girl like you're drinking too much so let me day growing with Yo stop drinking. You disrespected the road. Because every shot cause me I have like wide jaw you wind any like disrespect in the Rona. So the woman. The woman that was drinking was the woman that stabbed the right. This is this is why Barbara Colona advocate for Martial Law of folks need to be up. Anyway we need cocoa holden stations. All pretty you know. She's drinking and she stabbed and again. It goes back to what I the time. A lot of disrespect cocoa we we get complacent we lay up the house. You know we we start drinking on your demons. Come out there. But why do I have to take her class at? Throw it in the same like labor she. Y'All live in the same place. It wasn't like she was having sex in the liberal or she. Was You know messing up the place? But she did say she was helping her. So maybe she wasn't paying the bills but probably know she wasn't doing anything very annoying. This maybe to go got upset at through the glass like a glass doesn't need to be stabbed almost death for. Hey Hey listen with this. I used to drink that white liquor. I used to get angry to get angry. They and I used to get angry with ovine. And you'RE GONNA get angry with the beer and I would hear you're angry. I was I was really drunk. Tylar angry and then we'll get in a car. Can't drive almost ran into a tree. What time I got so drunk driving Bobby Cologne so paranoid that. I jumped out the car on the road and left the running nowhere for no reason for no I. I JUST. I had that drug I do. Woo Hoo are you. Can you recall what was going on your mind when you go into your paranoia phase? What happened can't I don't know how I found? The car with. The car was still there but it was no on from the county like they were saying they were going to tow the car and I came back. I didn't even know where the car was at the to drive that way. I think the cars over there in the car were dead. This is what I'm Taupe this woman was you through the glass in the state. That LADY LOST TO MARCH WITH. Who WHO WHO? I was jogging a a and I ran away from the car. New drink crazy. Stop this stop. This vicious cycle may the power crisis can tell you like a girl who stand drinking up in my bedroom fell off. The floor started. Crying ran to the window. Look at the call. 'cause I go hit somebody and kept the hit run. I looked at the Carlos. Nothing wrong with the car I drip all of this San Uganda ticket easy. Everybody slow now with the drinking tap Tuesday Borgo blue. Just we'll see says. Now she's in cocoa irregulars. That's whole they got coca flying around this already infected. That's a rat I it's not. She's not getting out of jail. Seven hundred fifty thousand dollar bill. The courts are not open like that so they'd be in for a minute. Sit there the next year to cocoa. Calm down will deal with you. And that's what's going on. That's why please be careful. And you have a glass of wine. You know Cindy. Turn for Cinco de Maya Cindy. Please don't get into when your friends tonight. Lawrenceville here Me and her and the kids or Laura still would law right now. I don't know what she's doing. She's not watching the Xiao watching this show watching the child. Socia- might have left. What do we have to get the liquor before? 'cause you know. Pennsylvania if you call now between nine and one you can put in order and I have to go up to now pocono to get it otherwise. I'M GONNA have to go to Jersey exit for aid. This is what your day has come. It's GONNA run now everybody's already. They're already the other liquor store open at seven. Am will. I'm so sorry to have to have you here. Nine twenty Bosnia follow up and if you wind up sober today in that you can always blame it on me. Our No. That won't happen. I have wine here but he can't really do mine in Taco kind. Kinda one over the city. No I this I tried. I'm usually doing the barefoot but I tried this cabinet cabinet. It's Gratiot and I have some yellow tail rose as A. Don't you have any bread in the housing? We'll wind no real food. Incite BABIES IMPORTANT KID. Let me go get grandbaby. She's up. Kids will not leave that house to twenty twenty three my mom and yeah. I haven't seen her. She came she drop stuff off on the porch and leaves but I have it like embraced her smelter. Miss you Bob Sydney. Who's going to be with you tonight? Laura because Marlin gone all in a city on you win over you know. You're so young and got. Let Shaw arguing and fighting with the coaches is easy tonight. We want to hear. No no domestic is. We don't want to be as news. We're seeing jail. I like tonight. She was she's already been in the front page news. But where you forgot about that you guys sitting the Bobby. A Sydney Sydney gets wizard and for some reason goes. He calls me walking on. Ob haven't worked at seventy five hundred days and she called rebe. No no you know. She said her best friend. You see that city you got. You got a raise win. Buster is the. Oh I see I see where I know. I know really here for me right now. You see Fanny Sidney while you twisted knees but once again like yesterday missed it though in box you baby fall on any other man. You don't in the last two years in acts how they're doing going any dating sites while you twisted in star flirting cine. Please try your best to refrain. Koya mother Cindy j just do something different and will you guys start drinking? Tonight's topic Mr. I think we're going to start like this afternoon. Right like high noon. One o'clock okay. How about you girl and you know I I kinda WANNA put together. Because I want the steak on their Rate Yeah do that burglar. She's not doing none of that. When liquor GONNA GET TWISTED? Just talk about the neighbor across the street and now the hot glamorous they are at this moment tops. They too would be waiting with us. Yassin looking really quick a New York man is was a. He was arrested for stealing. Twelve thousand dollars in stimulus awards. That was marlins open by right after the show. Since you're going to wrap this show housing right now. Are you? Not Right. Point Wave Door. Hey whoa wait a minute. Marlon Wallen make a u-turn and take your ass home none of this the first thing in the morning via later. I don't care how room you folks saw. Wallin come over at four o'clock in the afternoon we add staffed. Start this at ten o'clock in the morning. Coming over he alive okay. I don't I don't I don't like it. I don't like this old like you mall and don't write the three of you. There's a sinister plot that is about to go down and I don't like it. Continual distorts his name is Fang Shan. He's thirty one. He's from New York City and he was arrested for stealing. Nine Corona virus stimulus checks worth more than twelve thousand dollars. Twelve thousand dollars. How many kids they got right can was 'cause I know weight is twenty four hundred four call. They give cap like four. Five kids with Chen was discovered by police when they caught him looking inside mailbox in the Sunset Park neighborhood of Brooklyn. Chen was also searching inside a medical collection. Been looking at male left at the door after leaving a different building with what appeared to be items for mailboxes. He Spider NYC. Police officers tossed the Mail on the sidewalk. Once he was apprehended by police he was discovered to have more than twelve thousand dollars. Credit cards open envelopes and letters bearing the names of various individuals and mail addresses. He made his first court appearance earlier this week via video conference and he is charged with mail theft and faces up to five years in prison. Well again people try to disrespect the cocoa great. You could have got away with it. Bro. Just one you want be Green Green and then you do and broad daylight people looking at you going from house to house mailbox to mailbox go. Well you know what I'm saying. He couldn't do it Lennon because most people are home so they check the amount so he wouldn't be able to get checked if he delayed later. I mean everybody should be all right. Quarantine should yeah. Well you know trying to get them and funny God they all male were are absolutely right. I totally agree with you. The New York City's a an animal out there. They will still in rob in front of you. In the middle of the day in the morning was as long as you. Just take one check right now. He WanNa take them all the cops found him. He already had twelve thousand dollars on his person and credit card. Meaning whatever you was doing you got you little come up okay. Dude was he. You get greedy angry now. Human rights with the coca is to those people I mean now opposite that money though going to get back to the people you just said he was found with twelve thousand dollars. Yeah but how do they know who? He is? Easy simple math mathematics if he cast. Those checks adds up. You can check into forgetting the name on Jackson Yeah I quit great city employees. We'LL BE BACK. Madhu some Harvey's houses sports and we'RE GONNA GET OUTTA here no problem. Yeah Walk and go buy one already put together. I got time of that. We already put together. I get my brother trump young. You sign your. We have put together stuff here. I want to get home and get right on. Grill cleaning up. She's not win at Daegu and putting stuff together. Nonsense Babe. She's Margaret Marland Com. Put together the grow. That's why you need be doing Marlin Wash Lazy. You know go rogue could be put together. He's going to be like digital. Get your check. Let's somebody's vessel. I my lazy will make you need help you a man award Colona I guarantee you. They all arguing about one. One fear to South Kim Kimble. Did you get blocked because I know you? I tried to comment on one of your comments and it was a little. I think you've got blocked for a second. I'm sure you've got worn by facebook because the comment was very negative when Catharine Patty was on a fall talking about trump. Whatever Kim was getting real here she said I hate a cone and I think facebook blocks a second or at least you got a warrant because she of you know. Listen I say all the time we get to the split Who I said all the time. Appreciate everyone on this forum in all the support that Joe Gibson thank you with this is not the arena and this is not the rule for y'all just go off in say which you want to say. This canal is controlled by facebook. You can't things would not give me what. Act like this team. It's like this need is your age. You won't get you want to say I wasn't wrong baseball more if you can't live facebook now she's here but can you gotta you gotTa stop saying all. You can't even sit what you're saying they'd knocked me off. Be Gone Too much. And they're gonNA knock you right off the field and they're gonNA knock you out there. They're going to block you out the room. I. It's I don't even have to do it. They're GONNA do it. I love you and I'm GonNA contribute to the show of course but slow ticket back right over here. You and you won't be able to get started right now for three eight days and then you're going to have to go back to listen to your ninety nine thousand one zero threes that they don't give us about you see the sandwich none of saying you can run down chapel new. You're saying with lease refrain from all this. I say all the time. I'M NOT GONNA keep saying get blocked out here and keep a push easy. This is out spats out on your own page. Therefore up in here. Look look at this ditch. Urine Auntie's house. They could go into your house. Grandma's grandma grandma you know the show respect to rule. Because I don't even have to do it will do it. That's why you can't put I'm gonNA tell such stuff like that immediately immediately. A block off the warm of this pace. Kim I've been blocked off the group thirty days twice now areas that posted streaming right. How can we all love you? We know how rocking the slow down and listened to me because you have a problem listening. Can I don't know no but Kennedy listen to me because if you keep it up? I'm going to block off the room and I don't WanNa do that. I just think I will I. Will you go so you must? I forgot you can't see the group from their mom said which I though after the show she needed to get out that you would over here so I know you mamas and saying my mama say anything any member we love Tacos for you can remember we love you in the group of cleese take it easy call now. We know what you about this all the gas cam. Leonard can get under everybody's skin with his love for trump. But you have hats and you can be cordial it. Keep push because even though we members can Kim listening shocking. This show been going on for years before the body and they she got a shock. You awesome second shot this morning. We've been doing this for a minute. Bit is a long time trump supporter loaded day. But he's wearing but he's one of our own member he's the family member who voted for trump. That doesn't mean we're going GONNA throw them out we. This is how I might let me try that one of my favorite Arizona for trump. I might donate town but but you know that so. I want you to go to the lease Scott. School of a the disciplines. Slow you know. Slow down a little bit window We'll go into quick Harvey's houses sports and we get out of here. Everybody give him a hug please. It's your care kamiar youngest. You're Kim a hug and so she calmed down okay. Let's go liquor houses for Sporting Cologne or get morning. We GonNa take a quick little look at Nine hold on Marshawn Logan. You don't care. We don't care about captain. Petty Captain Petty is one of your family members. Any I know you don't have to care for him but one of US WE CARE FOR. You Sean. Bill is about you. Don't care for captain. Petty he's one of our own with other. He goes to Wego through Sunday. Colin tennant Thanksgiving Dinner. This year cabinet. She you're a hug and you start wants you to say that about Captain Petty. He's one of our whole another about you sean. Penn's around way before you join his road. He's one of ours just laying. No Sean. She calmed your she comes. She goes down. She Good Pettis one of us met this. Guy Atlanta cine j when I was doing comedy when I used to do. Standup stop saying he's a decent man. He's very rich man to he's a good guy. I'm out of my mind but we sit here. We we'll show to each other working. Yeah right leave me my girlfriend. I love the Sean Logan. She's girl over to Veneta Georgia's girlfriend number one and I have my group of women that I loved it that but they love showing the so much recently. They're talking about like Catherine. She's staying Kick Right. Patty continual you out anywhere the sports you would think that because the sports has a high revenue that they will be the most popular. But that isn't the case. I was looking online and see what was the most popular sport. And what sport brought in the most revenue. Well according to You know I was sports illustrated and ESPN of sport sites. Soccer is actually the most popular sports and this was based on foot a global footage fan base. They didn't say revenue viewership on television TV rights deal sponsorships etc CETERA. Oh my phone charger was. Soccer is actually the most popular sport in the world and I thought it would have been the football baseball with but no spiker because global and believe it or not cricket your beat our football. Allah who was cricket only American like football. You're considered cricket. Cricket is a big time for all over the world of it. In here I go. I noticed and soccer has three point billion fans. A Creek has two point three fans. Baseball actually is number three on the list. Because you know it's It's where we're also two point. Three billion fans and believe in not guys. Football was only number not downs number nine on the list with only Four hundred million fans. I thought it with the numbers would have been much higher than that but there wasn't Baseball beat out football with five hundred million fans. He you believe volleyball beat out baseball and football with ninety million like what. Bobbio again once again even though like the football is our number one sport. I mean you baseball day. Whoa has there's some parts of the world that don't hear nothing about the NFL care about stuff like that. You know what I mean in name. India got a population about twenty billion people over there. They don't give a damn gray the right so then we're on. Msn nothing with football being castle. General revenue the football was the highest grossing Sport worldwide with thirteen billion dollars in baseball was in came in second with ten point. Three billion and soccer came in third which is five point three billion which I thought it would have been different because since they had the highest number of fan base. I guess they spend on coins like the football fans are The NBA came in fourth with four point. Eight billion in hockey round off the top five. With three point seven billion dollars in revenue. I mean I thought those numbers was you know. We're just kinda odd because like I said Being a popular in fan base. I thought it would kinda pretty much the same with revenue-based but they ain't Bobby Cologne. Can you play all? Can I play volleyball? Yes I love alley. Okay and do you like to spike the ball when you play? Well I can't really spike because I'm not telling up so when you play volleyball on Komo whip position. Do you enjoy playing the mums. Our have I just like to play this boy? You know I just get hit. I could serve well so you might tall enough and I say that you can serve the ball very well apnea can be great server and wonder last time you served the ball man says. I able on who you are a bad influence on me. I'm like a city women. Played Volleyball Years. Do you like to spike the ball? Yeah it's like a couple of times. I don't mind but a lot of energy and and Mike Barber Cologne. Do you enjoy serving all I do. I do enjoy. I serve multiple balls. You Serve Multiple Athlete me so you can serve and spike ball absolutely. I'm there wherever you need me. I got you laws of spiking. Today's and actually interested in doing both aboard. Would you be interested in serving or spiking wall? Today I need to get me a play you know. Yeah while today's the day after Thanksgiving Day in Mexican you found someone to play with. You wouldn't mind serving the wall. I would mad ogre survey that rail life by and that when the game's over would you spike Google Morbid? Well you know. If that's part of the game showing back a little bit all any city will you? Would you be interested in spiking if you have someone to play? Yeah I have a quick story for study size. Okay bought continue. But that's the go ahead saying he goes. That's that's okay all right so we already know. What's the what's the most revenue soccer right now? The most revenue is football. The the most reverend was football with thirteen billion dollars and the The highest fan base. The most westward is soccer. That means they don't want them to that means nobody's buying soccer stuff being better memorabilia or whatever you great action will not spike a ball. I'm not interested in spiking above Barbie Cologne. Want and I wouldn't want to play with anyone. That's the everybody well documented. I am too old to be gay. A fifty five year. A No hot body guy wants to deal with me. People are coming out the closet every day. Sean don't let that stop you sitting on a wait your baby great. Show be great right. You know what I agree with both to all right now uh? Cj to all such thing and the right and tie what they look for and not. I don't think the young hot body God would be interested in me. Barcode at fifty five years old. I had to never know you might be tied. Just they look for everybody got gave Wabi colonial. Look somebody just like. I'm just saying I've had surgery. In the rectum area twice Barbie Cologne. I think maybe that area might your goals and I. I think that'd be good for the young and I was. I don't WanNA fifty five year old queen like me. I don't want you know what I think. The visual of me and another fifty year old men have. It's very disturbing for the miserable Canada disturbing to meet to only WanNa talk about no more because I'm just getting disturbed thinking about. Yeah but that's what I'm saying doesn't want a hot body wouldn't want me up Arthur. Them too okay okay. Fighting any of the oxen with you arc are Kelly planes with judge for a release is doing this for the third time. But he claims he's Diab- any more he's more susceptible to Cova Nineteen Cal's lawyer filed new documents asking the judge to release his client claiming that Kelly is lightly. Diabetic are all black people. I mean we all one. Cool eight away from diabetes. We're we're not being the away. We're not diabetic. We're right on that line. He loves that sugar good great. He claims the Bureau of prisons failed to disclose his medical tests for March which show yes underlying health condition He says he He's at higher. Risk R Kelly's third attempt requesting early release but each time he has come with UNI greasing. He asked the judge his case released him. Due to neglect the alleged he was experiencing behind bars and he claims the job was not providing adequate materials for cleaning including hand sanitizer. All guards didn't give you know sanitizer right. You Ain't got the luxury home in jail. You'll get what you said was learning. The judge denied book our attempts R. Kelly made last month saying he is a flight risk as of now. There's no word on the judge's decision in his third filing but we would imagine that it will be denied there will be Cremona King must never forget man as a sexual Predator right and he should stay the remaining calm in jail or whatever the processes data crime. Kale's should've thought about all that. Would you was married? Thirteen year olds. Brought to you by this day. You recorded the stuff. That's why by got you still it right. Yeah and then also really quick Kanye West is reportedly Ab- sorry he reportedly texted Forbes magazine. Telling them that no one knows how to cow after the publication reported his earnings as one point three billion instead of three point. Three billion Showing the publication reporting time. He's earnings as one point. Three million yeas the magazine attacks letting them know they made a mistake. He said day Forbes said they put honey in the billionaire category after he shared his financial records following months request in the article Forbes claims that kindly reportedly reached out to them after they did not include him on their annual billionaires list shortly after the publication confirmed that he is in fact a billionaire with a net worth around point three billion so he was upset that they miss quoted his earnings. I mean they gave you more than you actually did have. Pa But will. He wanted them to get it right right well baby. You can't true Kanye West Fashion. You can't you can't disrespect abilities especially when he's black. I've always is always a good look of Barbie Cologne Sidney J to know that some of our African Americans even though Heroes Meadow Connie West is completely out of his that he completely completely but he's a billionaire. So that's what we love the most about that You know him in that wife over there. I salute this guy. He's crazy out of his mind but he's a billionaire so since he's a billionaire of Arbitrary Sean. I'm going to dedicate this to our good friend was they'll do is your own do it. I can't wait how he text in arbs Mac and trump is. He is trump's support when the of comfort trump supporters is crazy Leonard. Here you go. You got a million and that. Look all boy crazy. Conjugate they crazy. You gotta be crazy. Support trump behind are gonNA play billions of the second but I applaud. I applaud county for his billions and billions and billions three billion. He said it's three point. Three billion. It's nobody after billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions billions and billions of billions billions. And where are you going to all have money from news I I? I had that much closer allowing lower and you selling shoes for ragweed behind closed for fifteen thousand dollars of apple carrying. Maybe it's his yeezy line binion's really good news if it was no covert around. Cj in in the county came through and he wanted to smash negate you low twenty five thousand dollars today for the smash. Nobody just came through. Would you smash Connie was right now? This Afternoon Afternoon Delight. Low wolves twenty-five stacks fellow tiny by without law. Just had just on a on right now as soon as we can show wall of Kanye West came through right there in your rooms. Listen I got twenty five snap stacks I just WANNA SMASH. That has gone to the airport. Would you take twenty five stacks now? Sir? No thank you come on. Barbie real quick afternoon is real quake drown. Yeah he's not my guy twenty minute wait a minute wait a minute. I fifteen minutes like. I told Y'all you can low fifty minutes to make twenty five thousand. You could definitely spy tempting. Got It's very tempting but you know and then you drink so su only really like Niagara smudge down killed so now or particle twenty tax real easy no. Nobody got a snack. Well let me to. Compass can't compromise my morals yard right now if you want say or you know who who's aware that address album issues album twenty-five stacks right now so so you will smash stack right now right at the could let me going. Call Him. His publicist of what you would spend twenty five thousand. I just might happen to 'cause it his cue. He is a very history and bell. Is You sound very selective? Bobby question would be win. The last time young came through instead he was much match for twenty. Five thousand never happens exactly is that okay. Let him he but he just got but say wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute if condie came. Oh we gonNA say he's not your Time Not GonNa Smash Twenty Thousand. Think about let me take Obama. Let me make a bigger catch off. Legs point he's doing get them. Coins might is her trump when the last time a many thousands of the giant now now I wouldn't might give away our last one offered you about seven allows you be brat up. Man Took you to his house and steaks. And all those fancy match that Barbie you for again you never smashed for relationship data accounts because I went out with a date with a female your knowledge in Nas smash up with for three days. We ought to hear what you got to find me. Bribery CLOTHES FACEBOOK PROBABLY. Cologne designs on Instagram and Barbagallo Balasore. Graham J can find you go tackle. Spi Okay said he jay of as Graham and on fat is three and sending underscore Jay on take todd or hey guys listen. Strong on facebook comedian show facebook offering the more poorly won't portly. We're going to hang out and we'RE GONNA go over to the group room that I have a great time with today I love you guys. Guzman. Please thank you so much to support this movement. 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Giddy Up Podcast Episode 15

Giddy Up

1:52:07 hr | 19 hrs ago

Giddy Up Podcast Episode 15

"Welcome to the giddy up podcast episode Dane this time I'm joined by something someone different tonight I'm very very excited to be joined by Don Hogan who is actually a world famous singer that we just in last week's episode if you haven't heard that clip don singing. Posted again because it just makes me laugh every time I say it how I don't think. Oh. Might I'm excited. Introduces a singer and I say you Elton John The back there are you outs insurance for or as soon son what more can I say one day I will bust. I promise I have not touched that it just there for visual effects. I'm touched plenty months to be on. Honest. Some very came to get back into it and I got a new an attachment that I've been waiting for. It came from overseas Roy a couple of weeks ago sucking Hook, my ipad into and it's like medium music. It's very exciting and we'll celebrate the learning onside before you know it will be busting at tunes top forty lookout. Now Tell me did you use apply in the autumn it said something he coming back to something you just decided to pick up a did strangely enough I pie windows youngest. So I went to Yamaha music for about three years when I was very early is you know when I was twelve thirteen, fourteen summer and can still read music and Morongo goes high on the cable. Music and play, but molest hand and the. In. A bit shaky. So and and that's the skill is just been out a raid, the music and the coordination going between the two ends the rights go on waiting lists too in the other. It's bloody habanero Donna for awhile. I'll tell you. It's funny that you say it's something used to do when you're keyed was. Might Joyce up as a pilot with my wooden leg and Staffan one tree story my sisters who's be the bloody cool room and lock me. If I had to bang on the door dad eventually, let me out. You know the first thing you. Come out of the court. Sheva mckim burst. Out of very early, but I'll tell you see this is what happens inspired by the cable Johnny take. Let's get singer on. Let's find out what he gets. Your attention. On this plane hate going on in Australia and the world of course, it's job to try and bring everything to listeners and we know we're not interested in the boring sheet. We for the good stories don't even think wanted to start off with the. Full Monty. Not Not. Not. The Shari. Shaw Channel Seven they brought it back the guys and girls. Scripted show to raise awareness of of breast cancer prostrate cancer. Did you tune in Donnie? Oh, actually in additional Andrew, pinal little bit of anger spend a bit of family Tom Tuned into the to the full monty out there and when the. Full Monty are think reminds me of a few trips Hawaii and. We. Had some skits on defense always. Somebody, front and center when it comes to have let's get the gear off. So. But we when all watch these I saw the dock big wind Kerry. Uncle don't get up or just sort of Brazil. He he's probably the most honest. Day He signed can't dance. But I'm happy to give it a crack got everybody's labels conduit and sit. In the corner and bio but the fact that he's having a crack heads off Dr. Love you that way because I know you love having a crack at things. We've law for you preach it. You talk about it when you're at motivating people is that just so happens. From. Haughty near Watts. We. Shall. We. We don't want people to say that he's tried undies on you tough. Love that you have crack. Maybe next week, we can go a bit further bitter it's been. It's been a smash might the other writings are actually off the charts only? It should be hell goodies it when you get a a serious message in a lot harder white look all that he's being a suppose it's been the thing I've subscribed to millar fees. Let's let's talk about anything you lock. Let's gets serious, but it doesn't have to bring you down. Let's talk about and have some fun with it some. More the more like that the better stay. Well, one point, nine, million people on each Indian that's a big audience and it nearly doubled the fieger from previous Sundays had the plight of origin, which was clearly a flaw. It people tune in because it's the celebrities or I just WanNa say to flesh because we're all locked up getting frustrated. Yeah. The giants as. Let's get it on. That's what I think it is that's what you need. And it was all the blocks wasn't quite literally adding more. Now. Well, we'll speaking of everyone getting a little bit paint up in a bit frustrated might. Came across young lady Jess, grief from New South Wales. Donnie. Now want to give this a little bit of context We're talking about stripping and let's face it. If you've got a Potty, you know these young people there. Must be a hanes nod or box no, and it's not uncommon. Is it that you would have a strong that would come. Normally Organiz takes organized by someone and of course. Sometimes I coming outfits and costumes, and it's all a bit of fun and I think it would be fair to say that. Police he's a common. Stripped There's plenty of strip is with the police uniform. That's the that's what you want. You want to a uniform action think silence I said Jess was having to be to potty. Don't even the rains and. Let's say things were getting a little bit noisy and couple of neighbors didn't appreciate the noise and I thought that they might call the police don and Let's. See So to see how the economy went down, you got clip on my on my have a clip a I'm just saying if I can find it. One somewhere do. Think. It's. Sort of since this is just stole for me while if lying at each. Which I'll tell you what it wouldn't be unusual to. To have things well, Cincinnati Smart Backfire on. So don't how missiles? There is being audited have. A stripper at my studious actually. To The technical term. When was the real? Defender Graham headed that guy in. was piece funding to is the funniest thing. Is the next I four thirty it's all going to the swimming pool show and our sheets. You note why Fatty Graham was working on the cash register at. All and The. The We we've just locked is obviously on rocked up there to pay. She's the. We just had a laugh nor do they each other Well and What actually happens during don't monitoring down to to match outfits It was the nudity involved on. It wasn't the foam full monty because thank goodness I. Don't now if were saying that like this, this chick was lodge than loss, but she certainly my burt difficult to breathe when always sort of traded that baby between. Brussels. So it was. It was bloody piece funny and the funniest thing of what dodgy watts and. Your of the sister that arranged sorry. Get your head around that northbound on a good news of finally found it. What do you got a? Problem once taking. All my Scott Up. I did everything. Sorted except for these on just doing Allen's again it's much. You got to tell like it when the Beta the sweat just turn your head when you. Job Just get some sleep soon body. Need a button. Get to the sick and You gotta live live live broadcast. But Anyway, here it is. It's coming up and I'm just waiting procured clunk and Clunky we got After you win six four tars. On, its run I haven't got it forget it on. We'll find. Out. Of Three zero called at the same thing you know know which ones reach Naso probably got it and night but. Also. The same. Page basically, of course, the the cops genuine cops broke up on, and of course she she's thinking not genuine gop so. She's assigned. Gear, let me play with you ties that you're going to get out your. On the before works and Let's just. Wasn't great right Now do that is funny that would be something more daughters would do stone. Now we'LL we'll make up for it. I think what I always that. Big Joe V. Portray Very. Out there in facebook will that knows how to produce voluntary But who make it up if we don't have that clip because you know we do like having fun with what's his name? Over in the states made he ease nine jumping now I trump. Or the other one what's on? Not Baden. You know. We Love L. Little. Cognac segment right because he's always got something going on and. He's a rockstar he's he's going to have. something. Yeah. That's right. He's a Rockstar. He's a lot of things. He's a presidential candidate now, which is incredible. Now, he kind of lost the plot again. Now you know he's been off the. Man Very. True. But I don't know if you had what happens during the weight. Tony with Tony he literally got his grammy. we're pretty prestigious prize. I would've thought in the music industry put it in the toiler. Put it in the toilet and then pieced on it. We'll see actually bi. Because he thinks that the big conspiracy that the whole music industry and all these guys are screwing I- Rowley artists and they contracts associate and he he's just had enough. So the NBA according to him anyway the the NBA. And the music industry corrupt and so he's decided that he's GonNa fix it for everyone now adid just happened to get some genuine footage don't now. It's not easy to get forty from global. Mega. Stop. And it took me a long time to find on the Internet don't eat. But these genuinely forty jet Aaron Endows biodegrade weekly now. Newly legit footage from Connie I. Look it up on the Internet. This is genuinely true. Story is what happened not yet stay here for these. What lighter if you're really into looking at Wayne is it a? Hammer. He's literally it's a fine downs abuse. You just saying that the we going into the toilet onto the crime look it's you. And then he's like posted about twenty post after. Having Been Tibet Gordon is. Everything. So. Anyway, what fodder from nothing changes sometimes doesn't it? Now don't of course, everyone's in lockdown and we all just want to get out of and look fast and. One of the best ways to get out of he's on applying now, of course, cornices struggling at the moment So he's tiger onto annoy long. Sold bit what. Virgin it's talking going yeah. Didn't know that. I airlines. Yeah. That'd be they'll never fly again that brand has gone finished holy crap. Pizza you're well, it rightly, soccer's seriously nothing against the NAS people on target, but the sheet ones never. Liked Thomas she does it so. Back to quote unquote. Some release to fly during the week, Tony and it's sold out in ten minutes. Gone, of letting Thailand. Bali or? Singapore where would've been gone on strike to Pook, you'd think it'd be a hotspot. Wouldn't you really all simplysafe? It's not it's not gone anyway knowing. What do you mean this point around just taking squeezed taking her out for bill. From. Sheila tree story it's It's leaving from Sydney and it's about a seven flaws in the beautiful dream lotteries. Lovely plying. And it just basically going around northern. Territory Queensland New South Wales. Pretty Much GonNa go past. On the week. Sundays Goa. Coast Guard by it's. Seven hours it sold out in ten minutes Donnie. East. That is a whole lot of Sydney. PAYPAL discount scroll you. Dislike awake at new they doing that just to. spite. Unbelievable. Qantas shareholder I heart I tied a fortune for funniest say that one hundred and forty nine people going on tickets would use dumpy something economy seven, hundred, ninety, seven, bucks premium economy seven, eight, hundred, Ninety, seven, three, thousand, seven, hundred, eighty, seven for business class everything sold out within ten minutes or got ten says you would allow to use your for. Oregon you might be right Tony. You don't even get to judy for your nothing nothing. Literally, not landing anyway. So take off and landing. Did He? Well they dumb sheets. Of Your Mail when you could justify electron sky. Only. During, the holiday. Seven seven house think. Wing be seat notified. Well think it's funny. Now. Oh. Target is going. To be sad. Virgins living sign they've been selling off planes, the airlines, etc, and Qantas while we nine thousand people have lost their jobs at Qantas and they'll never come back here. They said that they styling down. Well, everyone everyone feels the pine donated even the Alan Joyce. Now, he was in charge of a very, very successful company for a long time Don but well, these different times things tough. and. He's had to take a pay cut Donnie. Yet Ni- he's eighty three percent cotton. Yeah. It's GONNA be tough. My designedly, you only got one point seven million Lucy. Hype everyone feels for him. I'm thinking of starting a Guy Fundy page to trumpet because when you go to come down to one point seven, he's doing pretty tough and I think you know we all should feel for. Say Corner Quantitative. Dropped down and. Walk. Disgraceful. Right season that poor bastards. Feel. Time thing ever legs or walk now but that's buddy seriously if if Joyce dropping then what I Detroit Percents Kat. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. He's to get it back. Tax I'm sure he'll be fine. The Guy Fund page shortly, very successful and people will want to give to enjoy. So there's no doubt. Now speaking Tony. they're awesome. Some plans afoot that they have of just put it out. There on the movement estate's. Assets. Tens of thousands of jobs on the line Qantas the national icon who called Sydney home since nineteen thirty eight is tonight threatening to relocate and Victoria's premier has already made a play to snatches. The spiritual home of the flying kangaroo could be helping borders and we're GONNA fight as how as we came to secure as many new quotas jobs else tight as possible. So been a long time. Sydney may now he's cash grab at the moment it is saying who which side he's going to throw. The is amount of money to them to move. Well, they've got a decent build I to the government scholley. Sorry Lot with their Ram. The rain for whatever joint on typically looking to earn the place where I move into. But what a what I saw. Avalon and Sydney's buddy sick and runway nuts staff were were slanted around as places all. Corners are going to Adelaide I should back. Mike. Really significant impact on the wheel locks wherever they are. They GONNA. Take millions of dollars worth of infrastructure I should add lie. More somewhere in the strangest add some sort of value. because. Seriously have been rapidly no ever since. State of origin I get stuff out of corn dog while they're at it. Yes talking about friends. I just love and life at the moment and look and I. Only, looked down and I really feel. It's Out of. You. Big I'm exactly. But. It's not all bad news done because got a plan to revitalize Victoria Don and heavily these for a fantastic plan turning streets into. Has Changed the Way New York's cafes have gotten back to business in convict world culinary concept coming soon to Melbourne, you will say rides and line wise closed under the roadmap lockdown. Melvin, cafes and restaurants can been to outdoor seating only once there's been less than five daily cases on average for fourteen days. To go at those everything will be. Problems old. You. CAN'T THE DATES IRONIC City out Sawday you by locked up what? They get. Saw It in that right, and you know what's going to happen is all the councils go now you don't have. To put your your table at neither got on and they're going to foster. Keeping the issuance is that cancer is GonNa Foster and they all just think I've lived in Melbourne for mice basically, and I don't know you. This is something quite unique about Melbourne and. Of Well, he's a little bit of clear that. This is going to work with the tow dawning concept. This is that all. Of the other side. Of. Debit Four, seasons in one day buddy how it's. GonNa work, and of course, those people that have got restaurants underground and they had no a sitting. Again what a what a brilliant solution these money's no wonder we're up the sheet. My Cape Thinking. If it ain't bark. Fix. Seriously what's wrong regarding Oregon if you ask Paul, Webster Every restaurant and said. Don't outside only or just go back to business. What would you rather guy might equipped to guy to? D-, audience saw. Him with a whole lot more expenses to be able to run the sign buddy business that be happy to do the earn y the main don't forever side. Are they just? Ivan the guy imply on well speaking of open the gates, the Prime Minister is. Not Welcome in Queensland. Now, of course, we heard from the Queensland Health Minister she she leaves Nice night on turn. On not to ever do anything that puts the queen sign population at risk unless they've got lots of money in then it's okay. So do you think it's like how you Donnie the payments being sold? He's not welcome to be fair. It's not just a PM Anthony Open as a everyone's being told, sorry, not come in it's rotten the middle of the election and normally the big guns coming and lend their support. No one's allowed in. Yeah you I find. Really really interesting around this is Sam Can you imagine if this devastation brought some not wish is upon anyone but you know those fis we hadn't. Victoria and the PM. distrupted near the provided support. Let the local government now hi, you got national backing. What are your in the coins and premiums can style if she'd hits the fan because it's easy when the sun shone beside you stay at, they would do a needs. Feel free will you she to cash? Will you be the celebrity going to be donor TV appearance on a path everybody else can stay out I think if I needed some cash, that buddy will be kicked in for the premium. Sound signed double standards of Bush on what's it face that we all Docu sign she wouldn't do anything back. She should go swimming update this whole other sort of the lips and that wouldn't fade the sharks then we wouldn't have to do anything. On well, there was obviously story a couple of just throwing up every wake around. What this is doing to two families in real I wanNA play a little bit clicked on this is. A. Clipping context goes sixty seconds but I think it's important to hear the whole. The whole place giant walk was driving his recently purchased, Secondhand Khadijeh. Kagame Regional Victoria when he hit a tree and the bags filed to deploy the twenty four year old father of two is on life support at the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne but Judaic arriving virus restrictions the family of being told visitors. Are. Only allowed in special circumstances and they do not qualify checks brother Luke joins me now from hate Khadim Victoria he's joined by two of his family Frayn's full support look appreciate your time on what a distressing situation for you and your mom and Dad, what does the hospital side you when you ask to see? Jacob. Why why can't you see him on the special conditions. Basically, what they're saying is that he has to be practically dead to allow us to go in and say him. And as far as we can work on the special circumstances, you know he's on life support these fighting hard for his life. He had crashed odd four times in one day on the Saturday and all we want is we wanNA. Go same for five minutes so. Pretty pretty hot breaking to. The ECON- go and say you probably your son you know husband Bay and they offered they said y y for the life of me. We can do the carbon testing you can turn the results or any now is. Mike is through the carpet will wear the full pay PA WE JUST WANNA go and say, Gorka five minutes. What's the problem? In my first thinking around that Jiji when it comes there is surely we have to there's a reason for it. Chilly days is some sort of rationale logic behind it and you know when I think about it, my first thought after that is doctors nurses the people that need to be looked after, but then I think to yourself. What is the quickest? We can turn a test derail. And if the quickest she can turn around easily. Then, do it in a die and then getting the next day because what concerns me is that the governor said he's the rule and invited a blanket rule. When it suits him there's exceptions to the rule. There's exceptions for Rockstar being quarantined in the NFL how faint setup so clearly there's there's exceptions to every single. The rules are written by somebody and a little bit of Liquid Piper nobody pin minute ninety rule. So honored think. A new sign person would look at that and think that it's unreasonable and so in my opinion, I think the hospitals who are most likely only following government direction have got it wrong and it's buddy polling I really wish that I could look at dye situations in China, it's it's heartbreaking Mike's Nonsense. Tomato Ahmadou, it makes absolutely no sense the humanity of it he's just a polling and hopefully the consequences come down at some point for the people that have made these ridiculous decisions. Now. This is news just out to not is going to be close to that go on in Melbourne and they've trusted five families. In the city of Casey area. And it was confirmed that I have aubain outside of their five K. radius. So doing the wrong thing. And and and of course, then compromises everyone else and that means he's helping drag Salonga. Had these response from Daniel Andrews. Giving contact rises the correct information timely manna is worth a lot more than one thousand, six, hundred, fifty, two dollars every single Victorian. So the last lousy we WANNA do is anything that size paper not come forward and get tested Will sites paypal not tell the full complete and timely story of where I find diaper. Any contact with somebody said basically come out and said he's Not GonNa get fined if you tell the truth to the contact traces so So. You can say the contact actually you know what? A Guy Drive, those ten ks so you can actually say not did the wrong. And Daniel Andrews coming and said well we don't. Know what is much as I want to give that? Family to keep your Jetta Daddy the exact Simon Voss I'll give to markets on K. warn you do if I don't ever tell the alarm Aachen, defend them, help them be there for them so I played that Raleigh my family. Yourself in the Shit give it to me straight when you call that, we'll work through it and they. It's exactly what Daniel Science my. Account. Or Block to say all that's bullshit. Money but even the logic of going. We're not. We're blinding now we're at a point where we. Stop at going forward in actual fact I think he's probably. It's coal. What am I don I are Full. Yeah I agree with you. I think you know in the end of the day what you Wanna be able to do he's actually tracked down and and and stop the classroom. That's the reason why and of course, you people consent about not telling the truth. Then you never going to be able to do that and therefore exposes the community to a greater risk. But just what what is frustrating again, the lack of consequences. People that are doing the wrong thing and I think that's what's frustrating when sign many of us or the people in moments and to ask. People listening to just Melvin. So many people are doing the right thing and so when you got that small one already put everyone else at risk and therefore this thing drags Longa and then there's night consequences yet you wanna go for drive to the country and we'll give you a five thousand dollar fine. Just, the just doesn't add up. But look at that I. Think we're kidding if we think that is not the world over for from as far back as history goes its always people who those pricks from all offices people were little pocket of people in the population that are doing their own thing. So we're never going to get away from it It's he's one of these and what your hope is that com- or poetic justice twice and I get. Hit BHADRA. Night I just get their receipt Felicia, because it's not helping anyone that's typical of small monitored selfish folks way. You. One of the things that what people working from home and even now for the is it now back into the swing of things you had that experience from working from home. Now, for a lot of people hadn't done, it was always like the dream is. To get a job working work from home and all the flexibility and everything that comes with it and Doing it now for five six years myself, these period isn't really anything new bit normally. To travel. But we came across clear it's actually use old and it talks about. The fake commute and how important is to get a fight commute into your routine gonNA play the clip us ran a minute but actually. One of the best work from the lack of a commute nine, we'll standing face to on on a crowded train. If you work from a lot giving yourself with folks, commute can really help. What do I mean by that? Adjusting you walk around in circles before you had. The finding reasons in the morning before you start your work, grappa coffee, pick up a newspaper to spend a few minutes out of the House. There are two reasons to do this. It gives you an excuse to get out of bed get showered and get dressed otherwise it can be tempting to drag it out into bed before you know it, it's midday and feel gross secondly, a house make separation between your home life and your work life. When those two things share the same space, they can get mixed up. Going on a false commute trickle brain into thinking. It's going somewhere else for work. Because you're in a different place during a different mindset. For the next time you work for my fake commute, take a walk around the block and let us know if it makes a difference. San. was video videos on five six years ago. But some guy paste advice donny yeah. You spoke about this a couple of weeks ago when you still get dressed even though you're working from home and discovers self in the right mindset for what? I. Think when I hear the fight commute like that's the one of the things that all right now. Traffic yet. Don't have to be stuck in traffic but gone. We within now I think it's spotty guard advice but oil lights just. Say. EXA sauce like just sorry asset of cuddle up with a block. Then come back and have some great. Any good only as. Commuters will. Look out for one and you'll strike to. Walk Skies as well when you. Look. Great. I worked in the city for a long long part of my career and so getting stuck in traffic very regular thing for me. But what what it did do is always someone who likes to mice time I do a lot of phone calls so it'd be ringing people back and whether it was might. So we're goals whatever inside Tom ago, listening to music and and it was just that little. That separation was just nice to get back in the drawing I. Ride on done and I think when you when you don't do that or you work very close to hyme, you don't get that separation, it does tend. Blur into the same. So actually really love that. These corrupting it'd be seperation yourself at the start of the die whether it's five minutes or fifteen minutes. Great. Contact Pizza out of it's just another circuit breaker it's free and will use their watch. Wise but watch the smile. So it's it makes good sense or Saying that central but then China. Fantastic. Now, we wanted to talk to you spirit rice time one of the topic earlier Netflix only because there's a new movie that's coming out code, little cuties and. Cheese, it seems to be wrought on the border and we we have. All of it but it's basically the premises at ten eleven year old go code I mean when she thought to rebel against a conservative family traditions when she becomes fascinated with free spirited dance crew and these dance crew sort of young girls around the same age ten eleven years old and they literally dancing around all dressed up and. Make up in the works and you. There's been a lot of people to sign. This is just gone too far don. It's interesting jt as much WANNA of. Shit can the show. And have akin site. Every week might off zero tolerance spotty abuse women and children's Sir exploiting children in any way I will form. For some crepes gratification? It makes my blood boil however that issue have with this is not with the movie. The issue I have is with the fact that. The senses that obtained pied the money to put some sort of staple native side. No, that's actually a legal pornography or buddy. Child abuse not doing it. Go Jay. I should be able to do. GOING MICA movie if it crosses the lawing somebody is getting pied side. No, that's not going to get any airtime. So in my opinion, the senses native big kidney are us then the CREPE set my music the movie must have be I watched the clock said I want to be educated to get my head around what we're going to talk about. Off had three daughters go past live of h they've never they've always danced around the house and they've always. Thing girls and they should be allowed to be girls and and unfortunately this movie moves it into a space that makes you think she does ideals all young women will wear out and it should never be let to happen. But more importantly, it should nip be able to get. It shouldn't get to fucking Nick Netflix's I it's okay and we're going to endorse his someone needs their ass kicked for letting that happen because hasn't done the. The. I've only seen the primarily thirty seconds sort primate Cleveland, it was just young girls Danny ran basically. But don't go ask the question and we we obviously getting. With society middle aged on. But the youth of today clearly growing up quicker than probably what happened in our generation and This this watching talk videos all day. Of the same thing just goes doing dance moves and etc. I is it just out of touch or or or is what do you think is genuine concern any Or my thinking with that, he's Gills doing. TIKTOK. If they're expressing themselves from being free to dance the why choose then? The is a difference between having a producer who's written a script to manipulate them to do that, and so that's the. So when kids dancing and being unison. Mike it. That's why. And that's making the difference between watching TIKTOK TIKTOK. A movie might not very, very good point. Tony Now I WANNA move onto one of the topics we know he's is is one of your favorites. We love to cash right Now, some some trends US guests going on here and whether we're going to a cashless society obviously now we. Don't want people handling stuff. So it's been a preference for. TAP. In Sitra. Payments is that something you're doing or you still gonna be older cash handmade. Might ought like this out go to. Games. Anyone. Nice. Meantime. On. Foot. The Jiji, what I'm looking forward to seeing the most as. A lot but from. Our have saying. Of Bonus Strips or white for the day that. His truth truth accounts. I. Tapping. INTO SAY A. Happy Place. seriously getting life from a cash making us into a cashless society. It concerns it concerns me because. At the moment every single time you tap, there is A. Pipe betrayal of way obeying how much you cash that's called. Donna. That is worth go. So market is banks I can sell that. And people can track. They'll really couldn't give two sheets paypal tracked me my salon here we are live people now at Heinrich they. It's not obvious. It's not a sacred rather what what does concern me is if you ARATU, kite cash out of Assadi and and the June saying that's bullshit. How quick does it tight for June to get on some cash verse getting on a cat what would I look? No let's get no matter when you tap it, we'll swap it. You're touching the cod cash she's between two people so it can transfer the cod. No one else touches your cod. Or you try taken buddy to the casino, put it on the table my. Coming if you draw buddy handed is. Doing. And that's how I got nightside JT. My point is that are think you think that all the things that that? Takes Care of. A little tenor in the buddy in a Christmas card or. Completely no cash I know to theory there ain't. No what you do drop a Buddy Visa Card Neil as a big toast and. It's it's not healthy. I think we give all it all permission to government and to banks when you take away cash. Is Applies for cash and the truth is. Even. If they joined bang cash, what are you reading the black market? He's fight. Papouis. Find another currency. So what now I use cash? Well, there was six point, three, billion dollars in cash withdrawn from. April and that was in mice. Most of the country was in lockdown and it was the smallest amount of cash taken out since May nineteen, ninety nine. So silly went back bought since April caches actually going on the increase. In July Australia through nine point five billion dollars nights from ATM. It would actually sing to actually suggests that people are actually starting to go to cash in probably because they worried about where everything's going in terms of the economy and be confident having some some cash actually in your hands. or You said, the other digests they look to the world is not ready yet to guy cash somebody. The bank, all the dishonest think that your for -dult transaction frizzell you bloody. You've payment methods mentioned that on a Friday not just telling him to a long weekend got absolutely no access to any concert or whether it's cod okay. That's cries he stops not. Bring on cash. Back. Cash. King Spiro and Miranda well, and truly onboard with that as well. Now, of course, everyone's trying to make a buck these days, donny and Let's just say. Is a Slovenian woman that. Thought that she had a good ide-. About getting some cash with some insurance. Prosecution. Nana she she took out a bit of insurance. and. Then just a sawed, it's. Her at boyfriend decided it would be good idea to just going to say it sore off her own hand. She. So they took. Thousand stood to gain about one point. Ever, million pounds has probably about two million. in what do you call and conversions now? That's how much I would've gone. had. They got away with it and. Why people that commit crimes? This is stupid because. Obviously there was some Internet searches or made about artificial hands in dice beforehand. She's still sign. It was an accident and would suggest that only. He's saying otherwise now Donnie. Love trying to get clips from everywhere and it just so happens don. Clip Cliff Hey. Look. I just got clip Or can't get. Too much piece ahead of him because I must be all I grew up a be envious of people that had car accidents right and sales we. Might who losses leg and got to be paired because of workplace accident buddy has. Made those bone missing bits dots though I often said to my brother? Hey you. Can you could just just buddy hit me like it's a little bit more leg got to be worth so. then. All realize that he was real twisted unit and probably would take out. Probably GonNA. Get through that. In this instance has these the the court found that she and her boyfriend had intentionally. Left. The severed hand behind. Rather than bringing it with them to ensure that the disability was permanent. Authorities recovered in time to sell it back on boom boom. All. Attempted suicide that he's ultimately crash and burn having any luck and all must meet when you. When you read that you said, I say and her boyfriend tried to white south thinking one how much Si- she had. Like Well. We'll catch you next year at the Paralympics. Exactly right. Now don't spend a lot of riots, Downing Melvin, and it's been pretty confronting footage to be honest August, the footage of the south mill mock. It was actually very disturbing and spend a few of my friends about. You say that foraging what the Hell is going on in that country, the Meyer when he's at. His barged through a market way this families day shopping buying food and you've got riot police in full riot gay just ball and people I've ever and and it was yes it was pretty bloody her into so but Melvin groups coming out and. Some crack Fod is basically and it just come out and they said that Wig offer protection now So anyone that wants to protest. The going to protect the protesters he's a, he's a little clip explaining it makeshift security force has been set up climbing to shield protesters from police in Melbourne. Ninth and glove has posted this video to social media citing the highly trained group will have the sole purpose of protecting people from right. Place. He didn't do another tactic do not contain attacking police members it highly trained and yeah with Jesse. Needs to. Engage their services or two sonatas. Now I'll tell you what all want. You don't want a front row ticket for when they SPEC in heroes is ending it up to the police and the police to step aside and bringing the Special Operations Group, the army or the. Luggage brought abdicates and like seriously like. Anything not for sale these guys are surely selling this. They clearly, it would be interesting to safe. Anyone makes it booking rule that will paper on What's out Slovenian army. In that business she is. I us that's not she's A. crackpots forget them. Now, there has been a lot of news. Talking about the Boris went over at Melbourne. We're. Melbourne Bitta, obviously, the global stage just had a huge impact on the world and remember early days. Everything was around it was. Done and if you recall there was a doctor. That tried to warn everyone. Dying and he was suppressed for months by the Chinese government and he was trying to get it out there saying these things not good. And those a lot of speculation around how sparce started was at my or was it in wet markets? Ever in China now there's there's a Chinese. Pronounce that Ron I think it's just Dr Li Ming. Yan who basically said that she's got proof that it was made Mu Hon in a lab. So it's lab and I've got a little bit of the play. The world's response to the coronavirus pandemic was slowed by lies and cover ups by the Chinese government that at least is the charge according to one dissident researcher. The danger of the disease was kept under wraps scientists were arrested discredited and silence in an interview with Fox. News Dr? Leeman. Young. Beijing of engaging in a huge cover up and said, she feared for her life if I eight eight, Hong Kong the moment I start to tell. I will beat these paired and kill. No, one can hear me. So. For this purpose. I liked to go to us and pels a truce of the origins, of Kobe nine. To Work Dr Yan confirmed the story told by deceased whistleblower Lee when Liang clinical doctors and Wuhan began noticing SARS like virus outbreak by the end of twenty nineteen. So she goes on a basically says the genome sequence. Is Luck human fingerprint and she says it's clear that it was human my and well the. So that's newseum itself. But what what's being used on wapping? Is that. She went to the state. She's come out publicly and said all the stuff a few days ago and twitter account just got suspended. Ming that they're going to have their wacky heartbeat. seriously. That's. Anybody who speaks against the party as big as pathways China. You know got so much at stake. You don't have to be rockets on his jt to realize that. Less a person has gone missing on being good owner. And often at a twitter account well, all the sudden tweet applying bloody God deciding what's factually correct. She's got evidence backing up who's fact checking her? Hell Lucy's trumpy I would just really out the shitty. tweet after tweet and being put something out it's probably going to be creative. And is not the first time it's been war with somebody. Why is that not with hearing? Well, not an I can't speak on behalf of it's interesting that your account was suspended for a claim of violating the twitter rules. Interesting. Now. Something happened in Melvin Don and got a little bit of a Cleveland. It's it's really something you just have to say I'll post the Lincoln now group tomorrow. With kidnapping of a child it was we did see. This. Well horrific video has emerged showing the moment. A father is forced to fight off a man who tried to kidnap a toddler in the Melbourne PA check this Let's go to bill tush cost that video plays is a what happened. How did it all play out? Call this is an. The footage is is is staggering and this actually went on for a couple of minutes and there was a lot of punches thrown his dad just trying to hang onto his keyed for green life. The other guy eventually get to the kid and thank God was other people. Came in and basically sort of helped and these guys out run off but it was horrific footage on NY parent would. WanNa. Say. Now when I say I was really glad that I'll watch the rest of the story twohey what was going on Kidnapping I. Think sinister really bad. Then the rest of the story who the scar was dragged fought them thought it was he's arcade and he's trying to get it back and he got it doesn't justify it. But at least helps me rationalize that L. will hasn't gone to sheet You know it is just kind of drugs in this case, didn't like the outcome. Any good. It certainly does make you think shit you. Even like that's the other thing. The fact that that happened with the drugs enroll its case you to think that that what he's the dad wasn't they what if he didn't put up before feels engage on the final distracted I. Loved the most is at the end of that forty jv neither pay by cleaned up to go to rest it whatever the how many people come in. That's that is what I think is being missing from. Saudi. For too long. Is people willing to go something's wrong or go to go there instead of. Just. Turn away and pretended it never sort. So a lot of home she'd story I take A. Paper will still come to defend some something that's role and he said he was apprehended. He was drug induced it. Charlie. Actually. Pleaded guilty to pretty much every charge was At Him. But yeah, it was pretty scary stuff now speaking a scary stuff tony but something slot change. Geeze. Harmless. Seeds or something more sinister, these mysterious packets have been showing up in mailboxes around the country and it's left authorities baffled. So challenge, it's coming from Asia. We're not saying China specifically. but has been seized consent, and this was happening in the US a couple months ago as well. But just random packets of seeds being sent to paypal and they've been told him well. A wished I sent random packets cash like. Was it. She'd know him once and what have people doing planning. Guy Hang on a minute. Well from what I can tell everyone's going hang on a minute what the hell is these. But of course, his concerns around. Yeah. The Bio side of things about whether this diseases and stuff that are coming into the country, they're obviously peaked up through the usual custom. Screening prices, which is concerning itself. And remember synagogue on the US he was planning and he goes yeah man I'm just going to plant them and see what happens. To what? Yes. Grower Who reminded to try and see if we can find out if someone's. From. Making a fortune. That's his we'd. We'd right I'm not sure if there's anything sinister behind not. Bas. So just by chance he anyone in network has received some seeds we. Go to. Start. Now Don I love my apple stuff and of course, we spoke about it last week about getting up early three am to listen to the. And Actually didn't I've done it in every other EBA now. Glad I didn't because my snuffle happened. Really there was no. You find released on religion you I watch some updates to some ipads and that sorta stuff but the big news which is very unlike apple. Because everything only guys to. Read saying is that they had the announcement that they were releasing irs fourteen, which is the major updates to their software platform that runs across all the devices on on my balls and watches and etcetera. and. It was the next day. So it called a lot of developers by surprise only as we speak about the seeding process and all that sort of the Golden State, which is always the last one was released a few days. So it wasn't necessarily a surprise. But it's certainly unusual for apple and already downloaded Khalsa have downloaded is fourteen and. Get on board. It's bloody. Awesome. It is definitely. Yeah. It is really really good and. And Saifi aside from the same bugged of STU got on my fine, which is clearly something with my final think Robin software now. It's awesome. Really a whole bunch of new features that that bring epilepsy with some of the funds that are out there and Very, very polished So I can recommendation for sure is Dan Lloyd you want regret it. It's actually a lot of the dice. So they bring in something new but I still go to Bugnay that drops out your Bluetooth. Fifty Nine That's why upgraded straight away because I was thinking this smart actually you know help the problem but I think. What happens with a lot of songs with software is literally got to do a lot to clear it. So obviously go to glitch someway from something and I'm GonNa have to do a lot wipe and. Redo it would just a pint of the awesome prices to go through. The. Winds coming up. Well, I'll type night out. Oh well. Incident just Tom Feeder have. Up to the Bulls. Do about the new updike. Is a little yellow dot. Says when you're marker phonies on because we say. They play this story, I know sheet. So least now they indicating listing they don't realize body. Let's naive indicating that. Exactly right. Little yellow dot whenever the microphone is on this. Rain has a huge amount of privacy. Protection in it and as soon as you download it, you notice a whole bunch of new things happening you find and asked me permission because he wants these and these at wants that, and so they they'd trying to be a lot more transparent around everything and and that's what nine four and get it right mice to the time but it's certainly been very, very big focus on that in our sporting. Let's. Talk when you would put the new software near Updike Foreign and then all of a sudden favors would change and other people saint like it just went back to different. Settings. Game in China in hard all the the naughty shit up looking at some. Wonderful. If you give it a tick might where we all lush mart get on board. Now, of course, one of the things that happens when we have tragedy in the world is sometimes people to get and they do good things. There's fun pages at set up to help people that have had all sorts of horrible things that have happened and this is just fantastic stump up the cash and try and look after the people as best they can. But of course, we're a good things happen Donnie. There's also a bunch of decay to try and take advantage of some pretty sheet situations and he's he's something it's just happened after the tragedy of Of Kerri Kenney store that died during. A scam has tried to exploit the tragic death of lay Sakari and grant. Kennedy's daughter this in twenty four hours after she died in a Queensland Hospital by sitting up a fight fundraiser Melena Wall easy in Brisbane for us. Melena. This is such a low act. Yeah. We didn't WanNa hear about how pathetic? I'll tell you you have funny that that people a sorry disparate and that's what he is. So disparate that I need to forget any sort of decency or values and scoop to just such a sheet act such as shifting to. Actually as much blocked to buddy random. I. Actually feel sorry for them that they lost could be so crap that thinking that thing to do to exploit the death of someone so Really, really, really unfortunate every level and of course then instead of naturally grieving the loss of your door, you've got to come out and go and confront the media decide height whatever you support these. It's rock each that's terrible and It's pretty ordinary and well speak of ordinary Donnie you deed, remind me to do something the start of the show and I didn't do it. Push. Record. I didn't didn't hit records we. Have not recorded that whole shy whoa. And Funny. What's even sadder is it actually took me to even realize. Actually pushed it. All she we count. Unions that are watching get a whole other love. That these buddy piece. Funny. Basically, if you're watching now, this is the podcast because I recall. took. China. Johnny featuring a lot tonight they China around a bank caught allegedly I will say allegedly spying. On Australia is two and a half million people being tracked. It was pretty extraordinary and we're going to put just explains how what's going on and some of the people that are actually being spied on Chris Building an American economics professor who worked in China for nine years was leaked massive database from shins firm at the time to be honest I really did not realize what I was coming into possession I was by far the largest. Surveillance System opens. Intelligence. System that I've ever encountered canberra-based cybersecurity expert Robert Potter was recruited to restore it. He found two and a half million people would being tracked including thirty five thousand is trillions a few hundred of them given particular attention Atlassian billionaire monk Cannon Brooks among them the former ambassador China Jeff. Rabi one time Foreign Minister Bob Carr and singer Natalie Imbruglia. Guys only. You cut it off at the. Must be well, listen losing too much of that. Most. People laughing you know pushing water knob seriously. Job really out of everything. That's the most important. And the Muslim football actually that's true. That is the most important the next month he forties. Froze the why in staff we entertain but look the good thing is as we can, we can relax because it's not podcast. Writings. It's just the fatal not. Sorry. I'm trying to think through how we get out of this ship it. I haven't caught is GONNA K plan because we want to stop. Is recorded automated. Well, we'll just just give me cease awake and we'll be back next week and around me says. Good luck. For you four or fact up because got stuck into someone and we. Shall we say broader and? Feel guilty run up until now. On. Just to make you feel better. Thanks my. Love One. And For everyone I think noise last couple of weeks I'll have a little bit under the pomp of actually sort of paint. He two minutes before the show started in. Don's carried a lot of the wired getting everything ready. And to not always super organized. Had All everything done tonight. Clips. Of these tonight and then. Just. Oh. Thank you, Mike. Seriously Everything good in the loyalty game like doesn't matter what happens. Brilliant. So let's talk about some other interesting stuff Donnie because there is. Share. Let's talk about Sharon's. All right. Let's so questions right so we know. That was mel who said. Was a mountain. Rice did it because the Sharon factory was given an exemption sign Victoria given exemption to Cape Mike Conforti's. Penalty. Apparently, that's an essential service don. Well you know it's funny because all working a Industry and in industry is still work taking flight so. The coiffures come down from the Job Cape and all that sort of stuff you had to in the first lot. Sorry of lockdown it went down to united early could have forty percent of your workforce. and. So you know. In some cases and was a whole least of all the different industries manufacturing X. Y. and Z holler about. The question I would say he's I'm pretty sure if you went through with a fond tooth car of all the businesses if you kinda up any industrial estate and how to look at which businesses are still going. And that are really essential and have a legitimate permit from the government to be manufacturing, doing whatever they're doing or. Sheet able doing it and. People go to evolved and the fact that it's Sharon you know what caused the major you're GonNa ask question where the ball's coming from I already mind let you know what Sharon could've come out in the NFL could have come in and said, yeah we've got our stock already for the year. They're in a warehouse under lock and key at night could sit com buddy mike is full schedule but instead they've come and said Yeah we've got an exemption a move at all sides are I can. Probably be a bit of a Beta. Darkness Bullshit if that are led off right when you've got people and businesses going to the wall. This surely enough footballs or a ham for to supply the I fell through a final series been is only a handful of games that have gone on every clubs potty hundreds of foote's Lana ran anyway you've gotta be kidding me. It's ridiculous double standards again, like fell being allowed into to Queensland into Hob and yeah just no to sits rules and I think that's what pieces off mice people he's It's not fair two sets of rules and when you got out of the businesses at connaught open, you know people dog grooming is is finally go to be an exemption, but there's a whole bunch of stuff. Argue more far more central in making a bloody football on. Well you know what? I had massive fallen for those that stuffed up because it's a, it's a dream industry i. Agree with you. There's a sheet lighter foodies around and I an Brian you buddy. Precious. If you went ahead looking mice obscene. On a brand new unusual everyone shifting one, you'd have more than enough for the Games and all the fall series. So I definitely agree with you but. Hit. Oregon. The only difference is they've made a noise about it versus doing it on the cloth. Okay. Well, to get it gets bigger and more important than anything that we've talked about tonight in fact, Asia on the on this. I'm sitting down for this. This is this is this is a big one. I'm going to have it buddy sprite just to be ready when we're doing your sheets. Try. Calm. Preparing them ready for a weekend and you'll big news I. Tell you what he's lost on basis. Founded. Dumb When did you find it? I'll wadden fond the good smart scientists people have found that by what they believe. Is Potential. Evidence. Of Life on Venus. Update I didn't I They've done a bit of research and and looked at some some guests that I can I can monitor to stop from here and I look at. Radio wives and all sorts of stuff to determine what's going on and they found traces of these guests phosphene. Pretty Buddy, Saudi emily, some of these. We've got some exciting news scientists and stargazers this morning that's left us all asking is they life on Venus certain type of gas has been discovered in the planet's clouds that could mean just that to tell us more. We've got to chat to our resident space expert Dr Alan Duffy from stuff ellen duffy a good. Town we made Maidana to tell us this is my job done lot so. We can have allies Valence Choctaw look than you rinus it. was waiting for them? Look it's It's it's fairly close. It's a little bit warm. The surface temperatures roughly four, hundred, sixty, sixty, two degrees Celsius it's tod Ted. Woman. And the atmospheric pressure about ninety times greater than that on. Earth. So I. If you challenge I, don't think anyone's moving the tomorrow. But they're basically what white. So exciting is that this this fall Spain that is produced on earth and it's produced by bacteria. And sorry the fact that they found the spouse. Or they believe their families, false. Spain suggests that it could also be bacteria. That means it's dead law whatever there is twice as a bacteria. Bacterial there is traces of live It's pretty damn exciting in terms of. Big Science News it's about as because it gets. What what really concerns me? Is that all about episode died off what will we up to? Father Facades guys. So what are we up to forty fifty types? I'd Tinari in you have an beach. At the Tells job nothing to get their shit together. So that, you could just get decent service at your house. Him. Yet we can tell you if clouds fatted. Since and it's headed mystery guests, but we can't get into net. Sir. What's Going crazy. Don But. No look at he's been a bit. SORTA got me wondering there's been a lot of. Well, they city on again for the day. Discussing the beginnings. was made a lot of racist. I want to billions of dollars spent on trying to work out with his life on Mas. And now all of sudden. There could be phone I now switching and governmental maybe we should send some shit Venus and have a look check it out. It's all good but I, want to. Close off It's a very good question. My somewhat. Tells you all the. Is actually of it main issues inhospitable site. That's why they're focused more and mods 'cause it's more similar. I'll just want to ask the big question to you into our listeners that. Gives a shit. What does it actually? If we find live. What we're spending bills, but is it going to change when a wake-up tomorrow is it GonNa Change? My Life isn't going to change anything whatsoever. it will if we take a can try out there and say he. Like nice series. Now I'm with you couldn't give a rat's toss either buddy. Any other planet series if we can't manage line one, are this pay. Off and I'll give feedback on law at matter is spot. And I wouldn't you. Know. Victoria and you off a sheep piper. We really do. We really think we've got up together it's humans that we need to conquer planets own thoughts nine I exactly right. So anyway. Will Continue so Speaking of quests obviously AFL season, he's coming to a close the moment we had north Melbourne played this game for the I've had a shit season it's fair to say and well talking about boom. Came out today and just said live implies thanks for coming. See light a magic door we spike about magic and he's comeback earlier on came back from a pretty tragic. Incident that was well documented in Diet. He's given the book today from North Melbourne along with some other plies at the club a long time and. Telling me needs don't even It's as you exit door people. I well, at the end of the day they on the border with a Lotta had the chance to perform. I haven't caught it. They go together and if you want to pay off in what is saying is born largest teams good enough from we'll get back there and just to be the top but the reality is they're not cutting it. I need to make some changes and so racy mob mob of swung, Yak somebody could moss I I'm all for it. I. Think it's funny. We're sorry. The number you have dialed is not in service at this time. L.. on just slightly Ailey you just mentioned Telstra destroy me something 'cause my complaint. We tell stories still ongoing. and. On want to win a lot about telser but my God still alive. As, he's restore that they've come back through the TIAA. So the Telecommunications Industry Busemann have now come back and they have confirmed they said, yes. There is a black spot in your area. Bottle Kirk we not really give a shit because it's gonNA cost millions of dollars us to fix the network. So we suggest that you join another provider. Piece you off. Why, if you don't spot with Telstra and another provider is not gonNA have one. Different my networks I do use the telstar network, but there are separate networks as well. So opposite example, he's a completely separate network to Telstra than it used. The same is they have their own towels. So, also, maybe I should switch Rooney he says I maybe we'll get better coverage without with is talk that was pretty much they solution just going Boeing. Yeah, sorry. Don't care upgraded. Yeah. And even paying. Monthly fees. Or whatever? And you clearly have been getting what you're paying for and Whip saw this area where I leaving these apparently not spot. It easy and Metropolitan Melbourne. It's just bizarre that. They don't seem to give a shit, the Telstar image. Industry Guy Yeah Jeez that's a bit rough but nothing we can do. Maybe. You should just brought to you your local government office and. JT pissing I didn't push record because now when he galleria and the means listeners here, this podcast will want he these will tell you of your house still stays out. How ridiculous but the one thing I just want to tell everyone because spiking previously about net promoter scores, which is on a scale of one to ten how likely are you to recommend? A product or service your family or friends, and it's something gets used by a lot of businesses. But another one is being used what's called the customer effort score, and so if you ever go to a place and the question is normally how easy was it to do business with us today or how how easy was it to purchase a product from US today? How easy was it to make an inquiry with us today? So. That is now what we call these customer effort school because we know that if you make it easy for customers, they're more likely to stay with you and spend more. So if you ever get asked that question, how easy is it to do business with us? That is businesses now doing what's called the customer if school. That's they with Venus guests. Fair enough. Customer. Anymore, stuff how you doing a locked by style just. because. Daughter coins. I. Loved it. I think it was Nikki said how? Pathetic piece. He looked drinking little light eat drink with. What you having buddy isn't little. Zero sugar thank you. Could've anymore Mardi. GRAS worthy fading. Delicious said you should be able to double something and the giant step up. Extremely should we haven't any fish tank water get Stephanie he So We're GONNA talk about don't eat. We got to pretty much wrap up the story last week Johnny. Bit, you decided to keep it in. So what the hell are we talking about? All I want to I want to get your response because what I watched that identical stranger by always watching and of course, having followed Yo soy alone what I I was really intrigued with all one what you think watching these because that was really really Powerful to me because I connected that show with you on the adoption of of the. Adecco triplets now is separated at birth, and of course, you would you were adopted and grew up as far as you're aware as an only child with some step siblings But then loitering you find on that, you've got three half others all strike. And of course, I wanted to know what other adoption stories have you seen in and when you see it, do you connect with it locked to you? Interest could you not give shit or what happens? look I think good question with no thought. Yeah. Look I think when you hear other people's adoption stories. I think just the human side of it that you connect to. Because I think everyone's stories different and. You Don. A leg. But when you're talking somebody's mason an arm. And stuff, but you both had very different experiences and I think. That you can relate to for sure. And was all Slovenia chopping it? That's. I think there is that part of it with the adoption bits I mentioned On brush with fame. Couple of, weeks ahead. On and she was talking about her adoption story and. There was a number of things that she said that really resonated with me and our incredible sigh up got a short clip from from that. So after you win six four tars. And this means your the greatest surfer in history. What was the feeling similar to winning my first title? Just that sense of relief because I had to find success on this becoming a world champion but becoming most successful suffer in history. And that's when I stopped went. Okay. So this is what? All right. I'm enough now and a friend what's driving you'll be like, why are you so fees? And she said, do you think it has anything to do with the fact you're adopted and risen that it was my hot? So strongly I went yes it's my fear of rejection I had to find success as becoming the most successful suffering history and I had rejected myself and everyone around me off until the point where achieved back and then when I got there I went. Okay I'll start rejecting things now. Oh Wow. So those short clip, it was defense Alpha male as it was a lot of insight into how she had dealt with things and still struggles. Even now as you know, the most successful suffering history still struggles and she puts a lot of that down to her adoption and she did speak about meeting a mom and has really struggled with that at first and reconnected again. So the lighter when she was more matured to handle it So yeah, I think look everyone's going to. Different story. But I think I would have been moved by that story man even if it wasn't adopted maybe maybe I wouldn't have. That's why maybe it does bring. A team with me but I would have thought on feed watch the show I would've thought just the humanity sought of it. You will be connected with anyway. Yeah it's fascinating look in particular I certainly. Suggest that we've got something in comic saw I really appreciate your story for what you've told me and shared with. So many people through are podcast that that it's so easy for people to go dawn you've got a disability that's that's the category of the box. So that's the place we locked to put you in law often so you must know everybody else. GonNa. Disability you must. Have the same issues and empathy and all that stuff that people like to live, and of course, the on curious to say es that is the one thing one of my coaches was adopted and. something. He. found. This out when I asked him what we were doing a thing on one of the teams and we had desire out tell us something that nobody else would know becky and it was the very first time. It actually mentioned it publicly that he was adopted talk. With both got the same tattoo on ankle stuck with a course of nights and. So. Nine for a long time and when he did that one where I've Sissel faulk look, it's an only from hearing your story is at my age been more powerful of of his journey. Yeah it's quite. Interesting. The whole adoption spice. I I have I question do you intend to? Want US store code but. You did say that your brothers, it was basically in a court to when we're going to catch out with your basically you've done all you could. Do you have any because you persistent as all get out with your old man? Do you feel that why would you brothers that you haven't sparked to yet? ooh Yes in Iowa a kind of. A little bit content that at least nine alum around. And and that was something the at least the right to know and obviously what they choose to do with it then. Is. Largely up to them. So I look, it's not something to be. To. Force the issue and and it wouldn't be hard to bump into either of them. But probably, not something good. I'll do of of got some communication with the the oldest. Brothers, which is nice and that will actually GonNa continue to progress in. which makes things a little bit harder to. To connect I guess but. The other tour in Mel was on. On that Seattle chance to to meet your family and you got kids. Is that taken place non well, he has given us as he hasn't spent much time down here in Melbourne and cyanide. We haven't really spent a lot of time other than having DNA which I spoke about a couple of weeks ago as. Physically or him in dot. connected. On facebook and you know we have a few chats every now and then major citrus i. From, that point of view it's being gripe. Obviously with everything God is when We come to any ought go there. Anyway. It's good. You live to each other over the fence somewhere but. Terry enough like well, tell you what it's I cracking one in. We'll leave that up to you with a and what happens with future podcast with your adopted. One thing audrey lot to say stay is that stinks it's with that. We got into some hail even if the adults story stock stay out, see what we can we can do. Drive. Now we as united on we scallions and it trying to find. Funny. Now I gotTA. Tell you sometimes it's. Funny, clip because a lot of them are visual and we salute that element. PODCASTS. Watching a lot of funny videos and thinking that's hilarious. Without visual, you don't get up but I, did stumble across bond did want to share it and. You heard of the term of Freudian, sleep before. I may have made a couple. I have heard that soon. It's signed by a pair of practice is also known as a power practice but it was named after Sigmund Freud and. It's all banned analysis and stuff and it's basically sometimes you say that. You're in your head just rattling around and comes out when it probably wasn't meant to come in. So that is what he's nine as a Freudian slip in well. Let's say. It's just. Let's just say it's been a frustrating time for a lot of people that will not suggesting this was a Freudian slip. Don't leave it for the viewers to decide. This is the season that matters and despite the fact that they've had such a tremendous amount of sex during the during a success during the regular season. Are. Clearly a Lloyd and buddy. That's We'll leave that one right there. That's on. Brings us to the part of the Shire which is You like the model adoption, stinger, but got to tell you. Donnie we each week we've we've been trying a few different formats and sort of landed. Discount beyond funny couple of stories that you've come across India law from one that's always interested made on, and on I would something a topic that everyone was hearing about and talking about is because, of course, you've been to a few big events in your time namely Paralympics. And we all know or we think we know that. A lot of action seems to happen in the village. Do believe ansel. Come no manufacturers ramp up production for a lodge period of time before the Olympics to make sure there's enough supplies. Now Don you're married man and of course, with the beautiful book for a long time and you've compete in a lot of event sub to sputtering Stories, he won't be able to share about what does go on. Inside At the Olympic Games I have massive Manta condoms by because it is well, religiously a pretty randy at a price they have twice as many condoms for the parents declined because I. Do not want US look too great. So they asked for everyone to. It's not entirely. So but what I can tell you though is I was a couple of times. What you need to do is you need to. Teach. These the fortress that he's the Olympic Village and light to a cited apparently delete these you soccer has. People with M, sixty machine guns on at the x-ray terminals to get into the village marketed. There's no scarier. When you meant to be the then getting into the village? So the The couple of places at a bank to. Actually had to tell you straight up. Manage to snake FEM-. Who Village it so To which is. which just colossally on currently flooding impressive that because it is very hard to get. Let's give you the most wasted want. The moist rates on the Commonwealth gains in two, thousand fourteen, and so how it was at the causing ceremony I obviously going with my yet my uniform, it causing ceremony and the closing these way you do some of the best work with trading near uniform. So you swapping lot crazy to get some really cool. She that can way back home because it's sort of not walk around the streets in your Ustralian uniform but it's I can I wear an American some other tracks outside that's why we hearts swap seats and The, the causing I have my my wooly block granting gold. Jump on it was down wanted to swap. Waited more. It wasn't bit slow. So archive tool put this on and stick with me. She don't using the crowd, jumped the fence and try all now stocks looking and I fly looks it tastes great cy look Athlete Cup around folder mate or said just get on the bus. The one criteria need to get anyway is an accreditation along which is basically a possible hangs tearing gained and you can't go anywhere that up to get both under the bus because it's an this is series Massey man of hurting people. Like this probably a hundred buses all hitting back to the village within. Twenty minutes and is another hundred buses like it's crazy talk in the closet. So boost macy's on a bus I already she's go. UNITED BOOKS NOT AS. Necessarily co- comic collected when she's doing the wrong thing because traditionally, she doesn't do all right there. We get to the the skinned. Of the the entrance to the village acid to stick with by aren't we put all. Because, of course, as big x ray machines but all this stuff through through the scanners and we come out the other saw get you accreditation on it gets gained by some guy, and then all the village in your free soon as you possibly. Dont. Have your accreditation wrinkle. Getting a nice guy says to high where's your accreditation? Oh. Said if anyone asks it's back. You've lost it back there at the thing. At the causing. And she goes all D- only. Fuck she's been out. So I go back and said Oh as Mukunda said by flooding. Lost it back the said it was crazy busy. We didn't y lots know about arbiter. And he said that you can't get him. They added worry. We'll just ringing your shift of Shaw or get them become the other day or the PGA. Now are we'll just tell you what we'll hit back at he NAN which forbath Sugaya back in their attempt to find it and he goes no you can't go back to you. Might you've actually got to go around? And say God there and then you can go you can't back out way we just walked in. Do that. So awfully Gaza dentist mega zip down at watch we call unmet why the God wasn't communicating with the Guard told us way to guard acid- tie with both or extract pas him and into the by books in the village cy after that, it was distinct as going flat out on but after I. Walked into the bar and he takes. What are usually like there's no. Visitors tosses for the closing ceremony last naught and it was it was pretty amazing. Of course, we did what athletes do during the village and markets. And that's exactly how you might. It's. Awesome Jiji something very pedal. Well, it's on. Both the Siwa thought. She was just such a good law-abiding citizen but both these. Guys are. Love it. Stripe. It's an awesome starting now. Did you say you do that twice? TWICE MOF best fit. Well, that was buddy. The other one I did was at the Sydney Games and or had they. So This another dial upside at save it for another day because. We Love, we love cliff-hanging everyone's going to hate me again now. But we dive I. Good Stories Donnie. Now. I want to talk about. A couple of great law facts that I think you've got this week Tony. Forest. Well. One thing that I know that is send. A. is nothing like getting nearly cry and you get it wrong in council and is now actually what you said to vice as. WHO's bullshit? Like you got. To be stuff so Good we have the opposite. Way Back and I said I get some tumor Kindia which is the. What's up buddy turmeric extract and it's a little tablets showed the buddy tablets and said, this is golf asteroid. Let's get it India last night on the news which on what my job at our happened to what? I said the banks and so on us, do some studies instead Jim Rick is the Balm for arthritis they've come out and prove the point we would billy with it just on on a hunch that it works for us and has been the biggest scientific evidence that bit logged is gas niff- is from Venus that have done some work on this. And so gets. Gets to India and he. He I don Tony Good stuff now Now. Guy Take I. Got Go another great little teapot think. Off Got. A. Good about one are really a duties from time to time and honestly it I'm sure does more for me than the recipient and nuts sounds body. We'd because these is all about doing something for somebody else and it's a random act of kindness. Often we go all if I want have sought out a gifts of money, not help family duties do. You don't need a sheet night of money to make a difference in somebody. Else's lost a very, very generous active cornices to used to pay it forward to pay something somebody as a complete surprise Dune in advance and when they get to the cash register. It's high whether it's in the drive thru you. Just you just happen to say somebody behind you soup mocking you know what might just here take these pine nuts. While you're conveniently slowly packing your bags. You just tell the alleged with that you cod because. You know any shuts where to go. But it's a wonderful why in loss to to pay it forward so Why biggest tip for this week is to pay it for would do random act of kindness to somebody say and you will feel amazing. Eleven. That's a great guy through drive through the best in news is. One hundred Lubbock. Good tip Tony a one on one to share It's not really mind but Mirandola one of Lisa's last week to stop just did a comment actually loved it when we're talking about some tips and she had just says. Dry riding down three things that went well for you during the dice every night just try and write down just three things that went well for you during the die and said after twenty one days you started looking for the good robin the bad. It's just a way of shifting your mindset. If you just kate riding dancing good things you look back and go. Actually you know what? At a pretty good run for the last few weeks. Oh loved it. It was a really good tips. So if if anyone else has got some great tips welcome in the Senate in we'll we'll share them because I. think more sleep. Love that one one. With you and it's worth it. Hell easy. Is that to build a little Dahri of you know positive thoughts. Affirmations that that are real things that you grateful for Lava Brilliant I. Love It. Now, Donnie a twinkie gives us a bit of. What he called a book tip what do you got for us? Well a guy view the book tip last week, JT monsters Tarot this is monster blood tattoo book to the what's called the late Lauda. Now, telling you if you've read book one. Challenge not to book. 'cause you Buddy Wanna read it. It's addictive. It's A and it's Eight. You just get lost in. This world of Buddy. Ladas who lauding paths you know protect to protect people from the monsters are now. Monsters two and a half Jack take seriously. When you say like monsters, you talking like Y- like a dinosaur guy stood. Dracula role look what do you? What do you mean by monsters? Chai on talking they're all sorts of monsters and what I really like about this is that when you read the book the First Book you you'll see it and the second book and Trust me. There's a good book next week Jiji and when you he would that third bouquets you'll go. Fondly. You'll you'll see jt and you don't even draw a good book I. Liked it. That was great. So by interesting pickup to jt that. Books have helped helped. Under the gift that keeps on giving giant who would have thought on who would have thought? Now while we did. To, drop the bomb then Donnie. Did you did. Did destroy guys bump this data be interested drop job on. Let's go. Now, does. Label has yet. To be ended mentioned earlier and I wasn't sure whether you do not. So Okay. MOM somebody coming. Now, would you believe it? Initially thought spirit voting I because I thought. So spirits come up according to the timeline, which is what is public and what everyone can sense that. It is. Not going to believe he's got the doughnuts. Give it to me. It'd be bloody legend. Whoever needs somebody awesome. CAN YOU BELIEVE MIRANDA? Has Got. Got It again. woah candlelight. Did set of you giving her the script she. She's got A. Day in the neck connection than every other. Your provided. Maranda. I want to be with them. Congratulations. I you cleaning up. We might as well, just do a bulk shipment to you get Daniel to. Just move you shop. That's exactly right now on. This little segment that I tend to do. Every week. That joke. Oh. SOGETI this is. What they've come for you, what the numbers just got to after the drop off because he for this I don't know about you but I'm having all sorts of issues. I can't say the fate or the numbers or anything at the not. So running good I actually can't see. So. Anyway. That doesn't matter because I'm going to tell my dad jokes anyway. So don't this is. You know I got a few Santa Fix and we've got it all on so. To Shraga listeners, tonight. With me. Here we go. All right. So Light one, nine, a man's driving down the road and he speeding a fair bit. Just happens to say a COP COP notices. How fast he's going. To salty bitter pulling my. Shit her. The man, he says, well, excuse me Sir. Are you aware of how fast you're going? And the man replies will. Yeah. Absolutely gone in at my does destroy skype from a robbery that always involved in. An. Looks at in. Skipping might what will you the one thing roped? The man just casually applause no you guys know I committed the robbery. The COP looks be shocked and he's said that the man would even admit to that he. So you're telling me that you a speeding and that you committed a robbery. Yep says the man very calmly. Got, all the stolen geared systems in the. SA-. COPSES. As Black Donna going to be Kwasi anger and he says I don't have to come with me right so he Guys looked any Kane and getting out of the car. So the COP breaches in through the window just to try to subdue the man and the man guys hey, Hey, don't do that might on buddy staging and a fine the glove that the gun that team a glove compartment. COPS, is. What So he's he's GonNa. Is Blog. He's just obviously admitted to speeding rubbing a bank to having a gun and he's buddy. What the hell the cops on this. Is. Called for backup. So before you know buddy cops every way this 'cause helicopters come down and. Get these men out of the car and handcuffed him, and he's he's been taken towards the divvy van and. They saw the call the senior sort of cop on the same just walks up to his his mind. He's the COP that originally forty my varies is sort of gone sir. This officer just informed me that you've committed a robbery. You've got stolen goods in the body a car, and you've got a loaded gun in the glove compartment however. We just went through your car and we actually found none of that stuff in your car. The man's guys. It will a bit that body lying cops it I was speeding to. Clever. Quick enough to think that she. Is Not. Next month. So the three guys that die to get in a very tragic accident on it said. I'm sad museum they all go to heaven. So it's a good news story. Now, when they get there some great some and he says, I gotta go as welcome as only one rule here in heaven. Don't step. On the ducks. So they into heaven and sure enough the ducks all over the place. It's almost impossible not to step on doctors that many of them. And they try utmost to avoid standing on them. The first guy soon, accidentally step someone. Some paige than appease with the. With the ugliest I mean the. Ugliest woman, the guy has ever seen. And some played a change, the woman woman to the guy and safety him your punishment. The stepping on dock. is to spend eternity. Chind to these ugly woman. Hank done. The. Next Day. The second guy. Also. Accidentally. Steps on a duck. Once. Some data shows up and with him is another extremely ugly woman. He changed the woman to the second guy saying your punishment for stepping on a dock. is to spend eternity changed to chain to these ugly woman. And costs go on the Third go he's observed always, and as he really doesn't want to be chained to an ugly woman for eternity, he's extremely careful where he steps. And indeed, he manages to go months without stepping on any ducks. But one day. Some Peter Appease with mice. Gorgeous woman the guy has ever AH light is on. She's toll conventis-. Tanned extremely sexy. Without a word, some pay to change the woman to the guy. And the go I happily says to the guys wonder what I did to deserve being chained to you for all eternity. and. The woman replies will I don't know about you but let's stepped on a duck. Very good by all. That's all. Good lock the lesson is. The first one was pretty good. Thank you very much. Don't even what else we? Well we got. Here, this is what I wanted to put out to the pundits. Pundits. Pumped us. Who was L. here this week. You've literally got. A couple of minutes to come up with a hero. And John Not agrees that person he's a legitimate hero. And Worthy. We should get him apprised gite. We'll give him a chronic. We'll give him a bloody good prize on. Road I well, there it is. So you've stayed with us, it's whatever taught me not. You should be tucked by bit more memo I said to be. Big Twelve call come harm. Anyway. So. Doing Wallet they're good. People are coming out with something, and we do have a crack and browse for the person that can come up with who they think should be nominated for the hero for these wake. Each week. It's one of my big segments that I get very very bad tapping into your celebrity. And We've had a few lane wakes don. Let's be honest. Sort of starred Murray about whether you get the actually had the goods at all but what do you got for on hyper beat to make up for everything what I can tell you Jay is not an easy beak, but it's bloody interesting because he's GonNa, here who got. He's got. He's got a story and is another story and then this story, and so although seemed for a little bit of a snake of just wrought nail will want from east to give me two minutes of. Just ignore if you ask yourself a question. Full. What advice would you give yourself? You'll youngest self knowing what you know now what by so this is the this is the the thing we've got Mati Pask Mit Pass Dad's like he played for the foot's cried and went up to Brisbane anybody's mocked plan for bridge but he's come back and he's now He's finished up these Corinne and now he's going to be. Fool Donning Awesome Ladyboy saw with to my little kids. But what I really really locked about these is that he thought data about this question I said what are really well because he's gone now is athlete manager the some big name helpline at Dawson Hempel and from essendon he's got some really big nine to looks after off and what a way to think about is this guy he is in charge of young adult men going through their food or Korea looked after Brian liked took brian like got. To premierships by getting him to off on. So He's GonNa be pretty nervous? So Heavily Cinta Mati ceases body pass with the question of what would you tell you young itself bites are now. The advice on have some younger self would be that everything in law happens for a reason and the key thing. Particularly when you're younger and you striving to be the best version of yourself that you possibly can be whether that sport school relationships eased that. A lot of the time without mistakes off Filings Oprah Cups all falling short of Gao's you've missed out on one of probably the most important things in law, which is growth. And I feel that once you understand this and you really drill down into it, you know that everything. To serve a purpose and you can push forward and that growth that you had. Particularly young person steals useful when you're older to understand what I need to do in particular situations in law, how on a to reacting those situations and ultimately and most importantly experience, which then allows you to make the appropriate decisions with the best possible outlook and official that particularly when you're young, you look at Lia. As something that is the worst possible thing you'll laugh and rejection as something that. Forces you. To want to try on north to want to keep pushing forward. And with Resilience and growth, you understand that just because it's now or just because win now doesn't mean it's not yes or a win next week all the wake after all the next time you try and when you do try the next time, you've you'll somebody that has grown as a person you more resilient as a person and you've obviously got a FOB outlook on loss. In terms of a question that I would ask other view to wrought now. Is. Her would win in an arm wrestle. Clearly. Has Lost the plot V things even a continuing With the bloody mile might very seriously. Tonight Bill. I wouldn't put my arm up there for you smash. Our machine. Now. The answer is every day. I'm scared the Baylock. Deputies Bedroom. Wakes to. Put out a live every time I love that clip that was one of my favorites got. Photos. It's thought provoking and so the question all I think when I when I ask Marty these and when I talked, he's beautiful partners Shiny. It's. A wonderful relies new shiny shiny management for many many years and is no surprise that Johnny and Matia going into a toddler and their buddy going great guns with fifty management and what I really love about the what Mardi is he spoke from the heart and he genuinely, let's cut him why from the bullshit and and the rates and said, the sparks could not working up something is because by hey, now is in the tried period. So you talk about magic door and the other ten blocks it got got. Sacked from North Melbourne I. Now, going to the try if I think they're still gonNA career student and it's blogs like Mahdi that the going to bat for these guys get. All does a lot of work with the draft of the young guys but as Gopro Gopro. On and that was I. It basically stand team as I hold on a fulbright right on the back of back-back Premiership. So by a lot of people trust mighty with what he dies and I think it was awesome that he gave is much some are sorry that Austin if you wouldn't mind jumping onto a Scott Colt and we're going to dig a bit deeper into his story and also what he's got to offer an we'll put that out sometime during the week. So stay tuned for that. I'm very much looking forward to that is you said it is that time of the you in try purity's I felt we realized that for a lot of our listeners that I couldn't shit about I felt that some of you do. So if you are interested in learning more about how the tried period guys, what's happening? A works and how it impacts. PLAYAS IN FAMILIES AND We see these guys run around the football field and? just reading on one of the groups. Of One of the north. One of the fans story on applying just just flying back in just how Dejected. Looked because you know it's pretty horrendous early we. Now working laws, but it's not often that the whole world just finds out. You just got the ASS basically. Just played out in front of the whole country and then. You know that would be very tough and these young guys at the end of the day you know not everyone's paying twenty year veteran of the NFL cease to these young boys and men that. it'd be pretty tough emotional sought of it. So be really interesting to get that insight. into how to how to. Deal with that and get themselves up after I guess the the brutal truth of getting the sometimes. Yeah. The automatic huge I take because y'all normally the Kiva but off gotten the US up. It's Eight a bloody demoralizing feeling when you you know you don't up pace of you. And you think that you'll. Also comes when you not ready for. That's the truth that sort of taxi by surprise and Rattles by the most amazing thing continues to happen. And that he's the son will continue to come up the next night. But so often, we don't see it that way and you might, let's move onto our last little pace and that is. 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