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"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

Tom Roten Morning Show

04:09 min | 1 year ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

"When you look at Some policy here I wonder how good a policy it is to to bring thousands of unvaccinated people into this country either from afghanistan or by opening our southern border. Those people aren't being checked agree. I think i think there's a there's a part of the problem. Is that the inconsistency which which breeds distrust and if it doesn't take a if it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that That if inconsistent to tau a regular americans that they can't enter a restaurant or that they have to show that they're vaccinated and to shame them while at the same time. I have no concern or care for people for example running across the border Coming in from other countries telling americans who've gone an airplane they have to they have to be vaccinated they have to they they have to wear coverings and then not applying the same rule the people who have much greater risks of actually carrying and spreading the disease it. It doesn't make sense. And you know. I think i think it just makes people more more and more skeptical of the endeavor. Yeah last question dr klein. I've watched the the back and forth between senator rand. paul who's also a doctor and dr fallacy And senator paul is really pushed the idea of natural immunity and and so i wanna ask you should people who have recovered from covert And have the antibodies. Should they have to get vaccinated. I don't think so. I had covert and then i got. I chose to get vaccinated. I'm not you know thinking well. Maybe it'll do some good probably won't hurt. i do. I think they need to know. I think that that data suggests that infection is is at least as protective. Maybe more so against something and than banning vaccination. So i you know i don't think so. This is a natural process. We we're we saw virus we have. We were hit by a virus. We haven't seen before..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

Tom Roten Morning Show

04:45 min | 1 year ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

"Though there are some who have had very very adverse reactions these are extremely rare and then of course cova can rarely produce in a young person the same the same type of ill effects so so i think you really balancing risk for a very young. I think the older you get more vulnerably everything. It's really easy call. But i think we do have to understand that these reports of of Injury from the vaccines are are extremely uncommon for pfizer we they've given out over two hundred billion doses. We've had three hundred fifty million People over three hundred fifty million doses of vaccine administered the ad state and if there were if there were serious problems that were coming we would we would. We would understand that. I mean we would know that better. So i'm not saying it never happened but it's unusual so for the fully vaccinated Everybody from the president to the various governors were encouraging it to the point where they would. Hey you get fully vaccinated. You don't have to wear the mask you get fully vaccinated. You can spend time with your grandkids now. But now they're coming back. Dr klein and say well You might wanna social distance. You might want to wear a mask You may not want to go to that. That big party. So which is it my view. I think if you're fully vaccinated. I think we can go on with our lives. I i don't. I think this has been really mismanaged and i think it's we're we're really we're at a point on from other rationality were you. We're we're saying that these teams almost eight are almost perfect at preventing serious illness. Very very rare to get a serious infection We're saying that you can occasionally break for infections. But you don't get sick vaccines readily available for everybody. We're saying breakthrough infections are rare. But then they're telling people to cover their faces which aren't good there. There hasn't been good day day on in the first place. But obviously if breakthrough infractions are rare there's gonna be a little limited impact if any from from covering your faith and i think that's been true throughout the epidemic. In fact in the letter that i mentioned in england journal three out of the four people contract cove. It you know again not getting sick. Got infected from family members who were unvaccinated vaccinating. So i think. I think that's the larger point. Is that if if these face covering drew. Let's say they work. You'd have to wear them all the time even around all your family..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

Tom Roten Morning Show

03:41 min | 1 year ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on Tom Roten Morning Show

"Eighty. Wpa chew dot com. Thank you for tuning in really appreciate that. We are In a situation now where one of the cova vaccines has been approved by the fda The pfizer vaccine Has been has gone from emergency use authorization now to full approval by the food and drug administration to talk about that and more. We want to bring in to the program. Dr roger klein is a faculty fellow at the center for lol science and innovation at the sandra day o'connor college of law at arizona state university and He's licensed to Not only practice law but also. He's licensed to practice medicine in ohio. Florida and wisconsin. Dr klein good morning. Welcome back to the program. How are you sir. Hi tom scratchy. With you yes sir So fda approval for the visor shot are. Do you expect there to be a full approval. For madonna and johnson johnson as. Well yes sure i eventually i mean i think pfizer No visors has been doing this awhile. And they probably weren't the best. They had their vaccine out early. And at least relative madonna that had never which had never produced an approved product. Before you know they they're experienced going through fda. So i expect the others will also apply in And get approved. Yeah so i. I want to ask you based on You know what what you're seeing here with the The millions who've gotten vaccinated and i believe it's You know over. Sixty percent of the adult population in america's already fully taxed And seventy three percent have had at least one dose. So what are we seeing from the data here I mean it appears that a lot of even the vaccinated are coming down with covert. Now i don't that's that's there's nuance so first of all. It's it's infections Which is what they're called are not unexpected. And they're relatively uncommon. I think what's important is the when people have to get infected. They're they're not getting sick in a in a serious way. It's rare to get to have a serious illness for fully vaccinate person. They almost never die for example. And i there. There's just something that was published. A research letter published in new england journal of healthcare workers. And there were only three out of a thousand who vaccinate who at breakthrough infections. None of them were her four out of a thousand about three or four hundred thousand rates. There there were four workers in and they They they weren't sick at all. I mean they got sore throat second. Yeah now there have been cases of adverse reactions hundreds of thousands. Some of them had been mild. But some have been pretty severe. And i just. I just spoke to a local nurse. Thirty one year old healthy young lady. Mother of three Felt pressured at the hospital. She works at here locally to get vaccinated Did so and then spent several days in the hospital where she worked and it was determined by four doctors that it was a vaccine injury Thankfully she's home but another nurse at Who'd been at the same hospital has had her life turned upside down. She went from a marathon runner to not being able to get up off the couch..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

06:40 min | 1 year ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"For Mandy should be back on Monday. Yesterday. We spent some time critiquing the A news story. That quoted a Biden spokesperson and some analysts that NBC NBC TV The Biden spokesperson was criticizing Donald Trump. For the slow rollout of operation works, speed and the delivery of the vaccine. And the NBC analyst said, You know, at this rate or this pace His exact word at this pace. It'll take 10 years for Americans. As a whole to have access to this vaccine. Uh, my reaction of that was was the following. This is the early stages of the rollout. I give the Trump administration credit for their Anticipatory structuring of operation warp speed so that we could hit the ground running if not sprinting when the vaccine became available. Also, the vaccine makers apparently were manufacturing the vaccine even before the FDA approved it, assuming that they get FDA approval, and as such, it would be more ready available than if they waited until that approval came before they started manufacturing, getting back to the so called analyst on NBC. I guess if he did the math and talked about how much has been delivered so far, he could say at this pace that we would take 10 years. But why extrapolated the first week or so of this to 10 years? Obviously, the pace is going to be greatly accelerated. If not heads on a roll, and it won't be Trump's fault because he will, assuming Biden is inaugurated on January. 20th. If if this pace maintain that it's currently lower level for the first four years of a bright, inviting presidency, people would be understandably upset about that. But just Tomo hyperbolically make it seem as if this is malfeasance on the part of this administration in this last couple of weeks is typically kind of bias we get from the liberal networks in any event. For a more reasoned explanation. Someone who can answer your questions, and I'm sure you have you will have many. Dr. Roger Klein joins us again. We had him on the show before. Not only is in MD, but he's also a lawyer. He's worked with a number of government departments and agencies, including the Federal Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control, Health and Human Services. He's gonna explain the vaccine itself. What the danger of an allergic reaction or a side effect might be. And let's also talk about who's producing it, how they're producing. And what the differences between the two vaccines and take any questions you might have. Let me throw out the telephone number and you could start queuing up three or three. 713 85 85 our telephone number. Dr. Klein. Good to have you with us again. I'm like. Thanks for having me. You heard my explanation of at this pace it'll make it'll take 10 years. What do you make of that? Yeah. Yeah, I I just You just you can you just shrug your shoulders? You don't know what to say. I mean, this here we have this remarkable accomplishment. Uh, an unprecedented historic accomplishment to bring two vaccines. Now we have Available for more American than you have. You have already criticism. And if the one Donald Trump everybody else would be, we'd be cheering and they just don't want to give this guy credit for anything. I mean, I I I would just, You know, we're at the point where we It's very difficult about these issues to look into. To anything, the media thing. This vaccine took 11 months to come to finality and distribution. From what I've read the earliest in history before this Franny vaccine was four years. It was. No, you're right. That's pretty good, remarkable accomplishment. And there were critics when Trump said. It'll be available by the end of the year. And he said this back 173 months ago, there were people saying no clinical testing, and sometimes that takes two or three years will be lucky if we have it even by the end of 2021. Well, who was right? He was right. And I well, you know that's probably went down is one of his life. You know the life I think when he hears out to be right, But no, I think that's very frustrating. But I mean, look, they're just getting Rome. Getting going with this, and I think you know, I think it's going to work out. Fine. We really I mean, I have a different opinion that you know, I think the most important thing is to vote to get the elderly in the vulnerable vaccinated the people Halftime from this, And once that happens, it's more or less over is a public health crisis. You know that. You know if we get away from the particularly maybe the 65 up group, but even higher than that, once we get away from that No, it's it's going to be people choice. A lot of people probably decide not to take it. In many, many millions of people have been infected, many more than has been reported his cases. All right. Let's talk about the two vaccines, The visor bio in tech vaccine and the Moderna vaccine. What is the difference is one of the similarities They're similar in the sense that both using new technology are in a technology, which is which allows it allows up Taken T O human into people felt get the vaccine of coding sequence set that helped them produce a protein against what you could develop immunity and and this is a new technique allowed them to move. Faster, and I don't believe there been any improved vaccines using our innate technology, so both of them are similar in that respect. The prominent Justin from practical sampling is is that the visor vaccine requires extreme temperature conditions for preservation. Where is where is the modern of acting needs to be cool to very low temperatures, but not anything approaching? What? What The price of everything needs to be Oh, needs that have as a storage of vehicle with which one are we partnered with a German company? Uh, well, the fighter is is partnered with the German company Bio intact so well..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

04:58 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Alright again, my thanks to Dr Roger Klein, as well as to Dr Todd, who called in and I thought That was an interesting conversation. Let's um Let's move on to an entirely different subject, and that is the 13 individuals who in I guess Michigan, mostly but in other states have been charged in a Bizarre plot a bizarre plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, the Democratic governor, Gretchen Wittner. Six were charged in federal court with conspiracy to kidnap the governor. In reaction. What she they viewed as her uncontrolled power. Now, all of this, All of this comes out of the way. Um Governor Whitman. As most governors including our own governor, Charlie Baker, have imposed limitations. Now, first of all, I would like to Play a sound bite of the ringleader. Who apparently, um, is no fan of Donald Trump. He's a right wing. I mean, real right wing. Wack. A doodle name is Brandon Caserta. So, Rob, Listen, played, Captain. Okay. Trump is not your friend dude. And it's It amazes me that people actually like, believe that when he's shown over and over and over again that he's a tyrant. Every single person that works for government is your enemy. So? So? So, this guy apparently was one of the ringleaders who was indicted in These are guys that like to run around in the woods with rifles, okay of guns or whatever explosives. I don't get it Love to know how much time they might have actually spent in the military suspect. In most cases, not little. Not much. Um, Governor Wittner was the subject of this plot. Why she became the subject of plot You do remember they had These these demonstrations at the Michigan State House and Lansing last April in which a lot of people showed up with their weapons on their hips or slung over their shoulders, which was a very disquieting A scene to observe and it seems to me that even in a state like Michigan, which I guess is a right to carry state When you have people showing up at the state house with automatic weapons over their shoulder. You wonder if you and I believe that they actually were able to come inside. The the Michigan State House. So the US attorney announced the charges yesterday and cut to rob Last night, the FBI And Michigan State police arrested six individuals charged in a federal complaint with conspiring to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer. According to the complaint unsealed this morning, Adam Fox Very Croft tie Garbin. Caleb Frank's Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta conspired to kidnap the governor from her vacation home in the western District of Michigan before the number of her election. By the way, Brandon concert or was the guy you heard on the first sound bite of this segment? So I don't know how. Why you would even think That you could kidnap a governor. Who I assume like Massachusetts has State police protection. Um, if it is beyond me now, Governor Wittmer. Has somehow decided that she's going to blame Donald Trump for this. Because of his Unwillingness in her mind, Tio condemn. Hate groups Cut four Rub. Just last week, the president of the United States stood before the American people and refused to condemn awaits supremacists and hate groups. These two Michigan militia groups. Stand back and stand by, he told them. Stand back and stand by. Hate groups heard the president's words, not as a rebuke but is a railing cry is a call to action. Well, I don't know how she knows that. Okay? Andi, I think that she makes a mistake. It was the Trump Justice Department that brought the charges against these buffoons, And it was also the FBI AA, which is an arm of the Justice Department, which actually conducted the investigation. If I was Governor Whitner, I would be very thankful..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

07:58 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"But what I'm saying is that application that I've seen. That's why we want to be careful about anecdotal evidence. We're talking about a disease of seven million people with 200,000 plus death. It might be a disease of 70 million people. A doctor Dr Klein mentioned early. No one is diminishing the seriousness of the disease. We was simply commenting. On a comment that Dr Burkes had made and I don't think that that's what I mean. All I was trying to say without one listener as one listening about be using those comments to demand the disease particularly went in the same conversation. The same few sentences. We brought up hospital charging more money for being reimbursed more money for covert cases. When you put those two together, Garrett is if we were Saying that there was there was some connection or alternative. For doing for counting death in case of the way we are, and that's why I got concerned about if you don't think that was a message. Great. It was not it will. I can speak for myself, and I'll have Dr Klein speak for himself. It was not a message that was attempting to be forgiven either overtly or covertly, Dr Klein No, I agree. But I also would comment that Dr Redfield made a similar point about the about the You know the cares act in financial reimbursement, and he felt that That there could. He felt that there was likely in the D RG moron. Outpatients and death could be a potential for for for over counting the disease and the and, and his comment was what we are there we go through the theft certificates, CDC, but I think everybody knows that certificates are Notoriously inaccurate pathologist. I can tell you that it's well documented in the literature. So so I, you know, I hear that Dr Brooks. In fact, the first person to make this comment or this observation, Dr Redfield made it in front of Congress. And I am, but but I I also agree with Dan and and there was nothing man to diminish anything. This is a very serious disease, particularly for some people. On the other hand, most people who get Contracted and most people who get infected your critical care purse and you're seeing worse. Most people who get infected with this disease have mild or no symptoms. Well, anyway, now that we can agree on that, and I understand your point as well about about counting cases my my point stands, though, that I hope that they scrutinized the use of P P p money as much as they would How people are diagnosing Cove it just to get actually inverse mint because it's certainly not something I'm staying in the hospital, but we're trying to do I'm with you. I'm with you completely, and there is absolutely no no intent on my part to think that hospital should not get get reimbursed. So so that if if there's any suggestion and that major No, it isn't there. It really had to do with numbers and how and em again. I think we're not going to really understand the numbers until the epidemic is over. And people in in in a calm situation are going to be able to analyse the that's in different way and come up with numbers that including the excess. That's right now, where are unaccounted for? And t really understand what happened. All right, gentlemen very much. Thanks very much for holding through the news as well. And thanks for being a call it a night side. Thank you very much. That's kind of one more caller here. I'd like to give him an opportunity to ask a question. Hell in New Hampshire. Go right ahead at your own doctor client and I'll be really quick and I had to climb. Give Teo too. Just speak in plain language. Well, but I understand. Thank you so much faster than a second pad. I will diminish the need these if you have suspected CDC, 2018 19. Roughly 2,800,000 people died. And this year 2020. We're gonna have everything stays on track. I have 2 2,800,000 people died. The average is there you think seeing huge increase. There isn't one and that's total deaths were caused. That just kind of Steinitz was great in that patent again. It's just very frustrating to me, and it's so refreshing at the death declined and I would get off on having speech. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it died to climb. We have covered the waterfront tonight, and we actually went into overtime. I just want to thank you, but I wanted to give Todd who's also a physician and opportunity to have sex, say as well. Any final words of wisdom that you'd like to leave us with the night, Dr Klein. Now, are you? Well, yeah. You know, I was I was I think the last comment was was right. And I think we're we're Lee. We really What we need to do is look at this disease. Take it very seriously. But look at it with a sober attitude and try to really understand. So the key points that I had made which first of all, it's extremely contagious, and Wei have limited ability to contain it In then second that most people and CDC sat in margin and what really appears to be true smoke people before that before we get enough immunity in the population after the back screen are the cops going are going to get infected, But then the majority of them are not going to get seriously ill. We need to be very faith and crosses, particularly if it were I repeat, we need stay away from other people. Perhaps math will help, but but I think staying away and that not taking undue risks. If you're at risk is an extremely important part of what we need to do is minimize that we need to save life. That's most important. We've got death team coming on the way and hopefully those get out and get to our first three founders and our honor and our at risk people in nursing homes and outside were 40 to 50% of the best have occurred in nursing home. I really This is really what we need to do is prevent death from an epidemic that is, it's difficult to contain difficult to control. But but something that we need to learn to live with is that we can and to try to mitigate the harms which which are you know, with the most fearsome, which is death, and I think we can. We can prevent many of the crew aggressive policy, for example, in nursing homes that we are doing that Dr Klein. Thank you so much. You're always a great guest. And I very much appreciate you spending the time in the extra time with us tonight. We'll talk again soon, my friend, okay? Thank you. Very welcome. Very welcome, Dr Roger Klein. So When we come back, we'll take a very quick break here. We're going to open up a different topic, and I'd like to talk about this. This crazy story out of Michigan, where 13 Um people of some political persuasion. Ah, who were being described by some as being right wing extremists, and they probably are, although, if you listen to a couple of the Uh, the statements made by some of these individuals before their they were arrested. At least one of them doesn't seem to be a fan of Donald Trump it all but I guess right wing extremists like left wing extremists that difficult to understand. If you don't think that we have problems with the extremist in this country. Well, we dio and As we move towards the election through the election and onto the inauguration. There are people out there who are looking to stir up some trouble, and I want to talk about that. We will begin a conversation about that..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

05:59 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Until December. 7th. Originally it was supposed to end on November 1st, Massachusetts environmental officials declaring a level three critical drought in the southeastern region of the state on Ben Parker. It's night side with Dan Ray until you easy. Boston's news radio My guest on the line with us as Dr Roger Klein. He's a pathologist, he says, Ah, medical degree and a law degree and As I mentioned before the break. Dr. Deborah Burkes, who made some comments yesterday about co morbidity was here in the Boston area today and she Noting that our number of active cases has uptick. For example, yesterday there were 730 for yesterday for 109 cases today, 734. We reported our death number totals, still saying stay in the double digits, But our new cases have had a pretty dramatic uptick in the last Two or three weeks, and she attributes that to the fact that perhaps people need to start wearing facial coverings or masks. Uh at home. I know that that you have us somewhat skeptical of the the value of maths. What masks? What do you think of that suggestion? Dr Klein. Well, I think it's really you know, I have to say that was I'm glad you brought this up. Because you're the first person is Friday document. I've done a lot of media experiences appearances and this This is great. So So we don't have You're irrespective of what anybody will leave you to believe or lead people to believe we don't have direct evidence that man wearing by the public either stopped or slowed the spread of the disease, and certainly no evidence that it would actually change the course of the epidemic. What we do know is that Masked and, of course, their various types of covering that range from scarves. Teo, too, and 95 respirators, which are which are dense and and really black particular matter, though, there their rum These. These are worn throughout by by the public, but we really But again we don't. We don't really have good studies that suggest that that I mean, this helps fight. You know there is there is there aren't really good correlations between countries that have done very well in math. Wearing, UM and and Debra Byrd is pointing out a really great point, which is that some of the most stringent mask wearing and other Other restrictions of this nature seemed not to work. So We've looked at this question of man for 100 years. There were debates about math during the Spanish flu. There was even a league formed in San Francisco of and I met people, so the same types of debate And that that that go on today when I'm Ben and weak and fight all of the interest were never able to show that math. Black or prevent the spread of respiratory virus is certainly not not that we've never seen that They really changed the course of an epidemic and there's been lapped in my studies on it, so we haven't seen those data and if you look at CDC website And you go to their guidance for influenza. They'll say we don't we cannot recommend mask wearing by the public. They're not able to do it. The reason they're not able to do it because we don't have direct evidence for it. But they say that if people want to wear masks, they may need toe wear them at home. Oh, that is that is that that's I loved it because the first time you've ever come up It's the first and maybe It is the first time that I heard Dr Bergson and she brought it up. I think in the context of off, okay? In Massachusetts. People do wear masks. You go to stores and everybody has a mask of in different communities. There are places where you have to wear a mask, even when you're walking on the streets, and I think that in No, I'm not saying the people being thrown in jail. But I think she's taking it one step further. And I think what she's saying is people wearing masks out in public, but they're not wearing them at home in maybe I think she might be. Grasping for a cause, but she I think she's saying that maybe people need to wear the masks. Now at home. I know that the CDC and March was saying master not necessary, and then they change their thoughts on it. So Let's do this, Dr Klein. There's so many subjects that I could ask you about. And when you talked about the costs associated with the pandemic, you know the financial cost of lockdowns but also the societal cost of Of opioid abuse and alcoholism and domestic violence there. There's so many things to talk about, but I got full lines, and so if we can, let's let's take some phone calls. Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely. Excellent. No us today, but we got phone calls. Trust me on that. Let's go to Rachel. Who's in Quincy? Rachel, you're on the ring. Central. Nice. I call a line with Dr Roger Klein. Go right ahead. Rachel. Hi, Dan. Rachel. What I'm concerned about is the incubation period. So just say you come in contact with a person that came down with a cold bitch or may have the cove. It I have learned. Okay, it's a 10 Day. Incubation period almost like the chicken pox. Um okay. So now you get tested and you negative. What happened on that 11? 12th day..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

03:56 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"To 4%, and that's a 10 full, different if you know if if, in the United States, for example, CBC, Ah study suggested. In July. There's 10 times the number of cases are number of infections cases were really talking in the in the 70 over 70,000,080 million Case infections they had, which then brings the death rate down by a factor of 10. So you're talking Maurine the 100.2%. Or maybe twice that deadly is the flu. Three times as before. We need to take it seriously but it and it is very dear, but it's mostly theirs because of the numbers of people who have, in fact because we don't have immunity to it and so contagious and it's also particularly dangerous above 80. So that elderly people and elderly sick people are at high risk. And you know the risk of a 65 year old considerably greater than a 30 year old but it really you know it starts to go around. So that's the first Misconception is that I think people over estimate the individual risk for the back from the virus. And the second. Is there a bit that we have. A great ability. They control its movement or toe contain it, And I think this is simply wrong. It's too contagious Cynics if you just think about the fluid and how the flu's been with us forever. And we can't contain that This supposedly you know appears to be maybe two or three times more contagious than influenza. If it twice or three times within for contagious is influenza, and we can't contain influenza. Think about how likely it is that we're going to be able to contain or control this virus. And so any step we take mitigation steps. Even if and and we don't have very good evidence that that of what what potentially works and what doesn't. There's there's a lot of variables going around and a lot of inconsistency between places and countries that promote the most. The most obvious thing is the more threat out. People are the less likely they think to begin, the less likely it seems to spread in an in an area But in general, we really don't have great data on how to how to how to accomplish that. I think, you know. So So in that vein, I think you know if you consider the flu again, which would be a less contagious. We can't stop or contained man, and I think we need to be very, very conscious and implementing stringent. Measures under the under the pretense that we can, then we have more control over this and we don't because what ends up happening is that the cure is worse in that, then the disease and I think we've seen that in some of the economic damage, particularly in some states that have had prolonged shutdown very stringent. Ah, ah, restrictions. My guest is Dr Roger Klein. We have so much to talk about. If you'd like to join the conversation 617 to 5 for 10 30 Triple 89 to 9 10 30. We have several topics that we're going to get into as it relates to covert 19. And if you have a question or a comment I got to do is dial the phone. My name is Dan Ran the host of nights. I My guest tonight, Dr Roger Klein. Hey, is both a physician, a pathologist as well as a attorney. S o. He has looked at the world from at least two different perspectives. Very different perspectives in some respects, but he has a very accomplished on Dr End an attorney, a law professor as well. And we're just going toe kick right back here and and try to figure out through through him. Some of the things we were doing right? Maybe some of the things we're doing wrong in what we might be able to do going forward. That's what it comes down to tonight. Or nightside this hour coming back right After this night.

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

09:35 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Until you easy. Boston, All right. Welcome back. That was an interesting hour last hour. A lot of people really know a lot about cars. What? We're going to get back to an area that I'm a little more comfortable with. And we want to welcome back to the program. Dr. Roger Klein. He has been a guest on this program before. Dr Kline. Welcome back tonight. Side. How are you? Good high and I damn Thanks for having me you're more than welcome A Dr Roger Klein. He is a faculty fellow with the center for law, Science and Innovation. At the Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law at Arizona State University. He was the medical director. At the month molecular oncology division at the Cleveland Clinic. He happens to be a physician and a lawyer, his medical degrees from case Western University, But he completed his medical degree, his fellowship in residency at the Yale University School of Medicine. He also has a law degree, a juris doctor from the Yale Law School, and he is very much involved. He's an expert with the Federalist Society regulatory transparency projects. FDA and health working group. So he is someone who knows a lot about medicine and the lawn and we're always very happy to have him and some of the The issues will talk about tonight might surprise you. Some might not. But Dr Klein let let's start off with the whole drama that we have just seen played out. At the White House over the last A well, maybe eight days. I mean, it's it's It's incredible to think that was a week ago. I think Friday morning at quarter of one when we found out that the president had tested positive for Corona virus, and now a lot of people are looking at The event where Amy Cody Barrett was announced as the president's nominee for the open seat in the U. S. Supreme Court and many people at that event and others. Um, how did this get? And again. I know you probably don't have a definitive answer, but I love you. Thoughts on how did this get out of control? Inside the White House where all of us thought everybody has their temperature checked everything. Hey, you know, such precautions must be in place. Area so they didn't have a lot of they had intensive protocols. I'm not privy to the details, and I don't think they really really released them. But you know anybody who came near the president was tested and I am until it was a very Very heavily. The processes were very heavily reliant. I'm testing, I think I think what what people have to understand is this is a very contagious virus until it got into a two on environment and it spread very rapidly. From person to person. If there's a prolonged close contact, and I don't think it should be Viewed in the sense that that anybody did anything wrong or there was any anything deficient. I think rather, it should be looked at in the context of People engaging in activities and taking Much. All the precautions that you really can can take to better that would be known to prevent spread of the virus in it simply, it's simply moved along. I mean, you know other people have been infected who are high profile recently who weren't in the these events. We've had a number of people all along, get infected who are very, very well known. And and you know, The truth is who died so far? Nobody and and truthfully, I don't know that anybody has Associate with the White House has even been seriously ill. You know which which, for which we're all grateful, But what has turned again? It was that I thought that I had heard And I believe that I had read that before anyone would have any access to the president that the temperature would be taken. I know that the The media who are in the West Wing in the press room, which is a very small room. I've been in that room in the White House. It's you can hardly turn around. These people who were who were signed. There are in cubicle situations. But all of a sudden, I mean, someone must have brought it in there, and it must have just spread like wildfire. We don't need to mention all of the names. But is there a lesson for us there for me and for you? Maybe not for you because you know more about this stuff than I do. But for the people who are listening is is there an inherent lesson there that But we we need to be more careful or or is it something that is just an evident is the other lesson? Perhaps that it's inevitable. It's going to affect virtually all of us anyway by time. We go through this process. So to your first point about temperature checks, you know, it's really you think that really unreliable. Many people who give who get infected don't have a fever, and you can certainly be contagious even if you're going to develop symptoms before. Before you would you would develop them and in fact that that you're right before the development of onset of symptoms is beginning the period of hype. Infectivity, so I don't know. I don't think temperature check. They're all of failsafe were regular testing can be very helpful. I think the latter point that you made is really the most important. People don't necessarily want to hear it. CDC announced on March 9th that most people were probably going to most people were likely to get infected with the virus and Most people wouldn't become seriously ill. But over the next 1 to 2 years, people should be prepared. And if you're in a high risk group, you really need Thio hunker down and stay away from other people that that that message wasn't well received, quite frankly and And and sort of glossed over. Ah, and we've gotten into this or so have been lulled into this notion that somehow we have more control over this. We dio you can look at meat packing is a really good example of people worked very closely with one another, and for example, in places like South Dakota in ST Where they where they had almost no spread. Initially, the virus ran rampant in meatpacking plant and almost everybody got infected. You look at places like nursing home where there's a lot of contact, or, you know, you look at prison. And everybody gets infected. So I think, you know, I think that if we want, if a person that high risk in particular but anybody who doesn't want to get infected, really needs to stay away from other people. And I don't think we should look at this as any kind of failing. I think what we should understand how readily this virus spreads. So if we look back, 100 years, you know to the flu of 1918 the Spanish flu as it was called, But my understanding is that it actually began in the United States will save that for a story for another time. We've had high contagious events. I think h one n one was highly comm pages. I think vice president the other night mentioned that there were 60 million Americans that winter who contracted H one n one. But I if I recall correctly, they were 12,000 fatalities, which is a minuscule percentage because, although is highly contagious. It was not nearly as deadly Aziz this his flu is, um we seemed to learn Mohr every couple of weeks. What advice would you give to people who are listening tonight who haven't had the flu? Is there anything that we can do now that we're not doing that, you think would be helpful based upon this little experiment that we've seen at the White House for the last week or so. Dad. You know what I what I would say is, I think the biggest problem that we've we've faced here quite frankly, if I think way we've been given to 22 narratives, both of which are in inaccurate or certainly, ah, misrepresented and that and that would be the first would be about the seriousness release ality. Of the virus, the individual and an individual basis, the individual risk. And, quite frankly, for most people, it's it's quite low. The risk of dying from this is probably in the range of one Four out of the 1000 You know that the number commonly quoted for the flu is one out of 1000 W. H o in recently this week. I think I'm October. 5th six came out and said there were 20 times the number of infections in cases which would make that the infection fatality rate, the death rate. Well below 3% and 3% was what Iceland recently estimated to be there with with really a lot of data. I think the first thing is to understand that when this virus first came out, people were talking about 3 to 4% not 40.3.

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07:26 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"To the show. We're speaking with Dr Henry Miller, physician and molecular biology senior fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. And he was the founding director of the F D. A s Office of biotechnology. And before we turn to a discussion of vaccines, a couple of things one Just on the matter of masks and stopping the spread. You know the suggestion from a lot of quarters, including Dr Roger Klein, former head of molecular on college he had Cleveland clinic is That we're not going to stop the spread masks aren't going to stop the spread. There's no really really science behind that contention, and so it's ultimately going to be a combination of people getting infected and a vaccine that gets us to herd immunity. Is that inaccurate? Well, I I think Herd immunity appears to be a natpe oration goal. But it doesn't seem to be in the cards for this currently, um the the percentage of people in the population who have been infected Given that it varies in different parts of the country is maybe 10%. And the vaccines have limitations of two kinds. One is that no vaccine it's 100% effective. Oh, and FDA has shut the bar 50% advocacy for to be approved. Uh, the other factor that's critical is the uptake. Find a population. And upwards of 50% of Americans at this point say that they want up to take the vaccine. And so if you have a say on 80% Affective taxes, but only half of the population. Take it. That's 80% 50% that gives you a 40% community. In the population from the vaccine, and that's just not enough for genuine herd immunity. It'll help to be sure. And I'm one of the great boosters of vaccine development on the White House's operation Warp speed, which was ah, brilliant exercise in getting the vaccine available more rapidly, much more rapidly. Then it would have been otherwise. But the vaccine is not going to be a kind of see it. We're going to need a CZ. Your quote earlier, said tto. Learn to live with this. In some sort of MotorCity, then that's acceptable to individuals and to the nation at large, just on the threshold of efficacy. Ah, I remember it correctly. I think, the CEO Fizer said. They would apply for FDA approval for their vaccine and development. If it proves out by and they should know by the end of October that it's effective 70% of the time. Is that is that an appropriate threshold to bring to the table for FDA approval, even though it says sensibly higher than the the threshold that the FDA is setting well, sure, 70% is a lot better. Then 50%, and it's interesting that the vaccine developing companies have been extremely responsible in this regard, but they put out an unprecedented statement that said That they wouldn't push for premature approval until they were absolutely certain of adequate safety and efficacy of other vaccines. 70% would be On an excellent taxi and 50% would be okay but still acceptable for, uh, preventing a disease that doesn't have a cure or another means of prevention, just going back to the herd immunity issue and the amount of the percent of the population that's been infected. This is this is a sort of an argument. But it wasn't an argument between inside and a silent fashion between Foulke between Atlas and then others jumped into on this notion of cross reactive immunity. And that it may be ah, significantly larger percentage of population that has some level of cross reactive immunity to the virus, then is otherwise borne out by the antibody testing that's been done to date and found she didn't like Scott Atlas criticizing Dr Redfield in public or disagreeing with him in public, But he really didn't dispute the fact that that could be true. And so I just wonder if if maybe we don't really have a handle on the The percentage of Americans who have been infected. Well way don't know that way. We don't know whether the virus is aware of that speculation or not. There's a lot unknown here. You know, we've described this as being in the fog of war, especially in the spring. And in many ways we're still there. Some of those data should come out. Of these very large vaccine trials because we'll see in the placebo group. How many infections there are placebos grouping me untreated. Good subjects being compared took vaccine treated, so we'll see what the incidences of them and get some idea of how Easy. It is how frequent it is to be infected. When you're not protected by a vaccine, a CZ you watched, and I mean, this is a little bit beyond their their scope. But Trump's medical team and all the attending coverage of President Trump testing positive for Cove. It Over the last 72 hours, basically, It seems to me the hope should be that President Trump and and everybody else infected with that high profile mean everybody infected generally, but for this limited purpose, everybody high profile associate the Trump campaign. Survives and I would and without too much incident, I would say the same if it was Biden and his team. Because number one. They're human beings. So you want people survive, But number two is that maybe it will disabuse some people of irrational fears of Overreactions trying to achieve this balance we were talking about when you see a 74 year old guy who's you know, not exactly. Jack Elaine. Able to get through to the other side of uninfected without too much incidents. The probabilities here are Are striking, but they're only probabilities you know at at at age 70 for the president has a three times higher likelihood of being hospitalized with Covert 19 infection on DH about five times greater. Probability than someone in his twenties of dying from it. So it's all probabilities, and a lot of the outcomes are factors that we don't understand. By the way, you mentioned his being at Walter Reed. There's an interesting tidbit here. The National Institutes of Health E, which is directly across the street from Walter Reed. And that's where Tony Sal trees offices and yet he hasn't been in evidence at all. In the president's character. I worked at an I age, so I know the area. Well, interesting. He is Dr Henry Miller, physician and molecular biologist, senior fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the F D. A s office of biotechnology. Dr Miller. Thanks as always, for joining us appreciate that's always.

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

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04:36 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"I think it's two million U. S. Okay, my correct And that might be right on that off. So that would that would give us a death rate of about I guess that would be 2%. No death rate of one. 10% 200 was nowhere near 10% nowhere near noon. Well, Yeah, no, no, we lost was lost 200,000 people. I think it's I think it's seven million infections in the U. S. To be really honest with you because I think that are the death rate is somewhere in the You know, 23% tops. It's It's nowhere near 10%. I'm sure I assure you, my John Yeah. I didn't think it was high. That really wasn't my call. But, you know, maybe Dr Klein wants to come and tell you that I would say that. You know, I'm looking at the world the meter right now has 7,000,548. A 799 cases. Not only was confirmed by Dr Klein but also by my producer, Mario. So it's it is 200,000 Deaths. 7.5 million confirmed cases, but not no need to get lost in the numbers there, John. What's your question or comment for Dr Yeah, Yeah, I thought it was, But the thing I was wondering about that herd immunity. And my understanding is we have a way to go on that. But again, we don't know what appears to be different virus virus when we had quote unquote herd immunity. We'll talk to Dr Klein explained that we don't know that they could be a multiple of the cases that are known. That would be a multiple up, which is upwards in someone study. As many as 10 Times could could actually be have have been infected, But that's there's a lot we don't know about this disease. Right right in is based on, you know, path. All we can do is write as we make our best predictions, doctors and scientists like the best predictions on past Um, similar things, is there. Is there a thought that Dr Klein has on what the number is that we need to hit her immunity with this virus. You know, I wouldn't venture a guess. But you know, it's an interesting thing that we do seem to get. We seem to be hitting levels of infections. In certain areas. You know how we were getting what? What we call spikes and we get these levels of infections and Arizona, Certainly New York Other other Ah Other places. And all of a sudden it seemed to level out kind of hard to understand why that is. So you know, I think what ends up happening is that may not be an all or nothing phenomenon. And and what really happens if you start T hit to hit enough people and the spread bread begins to slow down. And then um and and now you don't happen to people. I think what ends up happening is people act more cautiously in these when when they have the severe outbreaks and so behavior serves determines how much The the speed of threat and then you have you know, we especially older people, for example, will be more felt protected. That younger people and so younger people will tend to get more They want have symptoms. You won't get sick. And or many won't And so what ends up happening is you get you get larger number infection, some of which come to medical attention. And then you end up with with a decreasing or locate fatality rate, which is what we have in the United States Now. I mean, initially when it was Weir get we're looking at all these sick people in hospitals. Case fatality rate look much higher. You still see that in the New York data? But but I think you know overall, it's it's much lower here. It's I think it's around 3%. Despite Scott, I think we I think we call that human nature. Dr. Klein, John. Thank you very much for the phone call. I appreciate your question. Dr Roger Client, I I promised you Ah, let you go by 8 15 Thank you so much for staying as long as you did. Well, we'll get you back in the not too distant future on One on more noticed than I gave it in height. Thank you so much for being available tonight Side into our audience. Dr. Roger Klein. Thank you so much. Thank you Talk soon. We're going to take a break. We have our news at the bottom of the hour coming up and you are more than welcome to join us for the rest of the evening. It's going to be you and me 617 to 5 for 10 30 Tripoli. 9 to 9 10 30..

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03:55 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"It was they activated. It was over 10 times. Red I saw. Yeah, and a TTE. This point I'm trying to recall the number of Americans that have tested positive. I know the number Now is what 207,000 have died. Is it It's about seven million who have been identified as having been, you know, infected. Is that not the number and if it is 10 times that we're talking 70 million Yes, it is. It is over seven million and I think I think that's a fair estimate. It could be higher. We've had serology studies that that made it appear to be higher. Now. CDC did another surveillance study. And and it wasn't it was done in a different way. And they and they found that the anybody worry about 90% of people, but they never reconciled. The two different to different claims. And I think I think that the antibodies can fade. You know, I would affect its more based on everything that we've seen. I suspected Mohr Toward the higher number rather than the lower and I suspected at least 10 times the number of infections now we don't know what it takes to reach the level. We don't know what the level of immunity that I know. People like to say. Well, though, calculate a row and they have a model and They're going. They're going to decide and tell us that we need 60% 70 perfect. But we don't really well fully know because of what I the point that I made about the immune system. There are other Corona viruses, for example, that circulate in the population and they could have proteins that look like The proteins on the on this this particular Corona virus, and you could have crushed immunity, so it could be that people who have been exposed to these colds recently. The that's where they cause are cold and they circulate out regularly. They could have some level of immunity that you know that doesn't prevent the infection entirely. It makes it so that it's it's really nothing more. Than a cold and that that could be one of the reasons or the primary reason even white Children tend not to get sick with it. So I think we we don't we don't really know. I think people who are wrong. Who make authoritative pronouncements in this area are Are you run a risk that that they're going to be proved wrong? Because I don't. I don't think we haven't. We have enough knowledge of this point to understand what it takes. I also think that you know there are certain areas, for example, the Bronx where they probably have significantly more than 25% of the people have had have been infected. My guest is Dr Roger Klein. I'm Dr Kline. If you could stay with us for another segment, we get back. I'd like to ask you about again without diagnosing which I know you cannot do. Ah, patient that you have not examined. I'd love to know what your thoughts are on how the president looked as he left the White House. Is this truly an abundance of caution? It seems to have rubbed up pretty quickly. I'm sure that a lot of people would be interested in what you're Reaction is Dr Roger Klein is my guest. He is a pathologist with an advanced training and medical Michael. My microbiology and virology happens to be a double graduate, both of Yale Medicine Medical School. As well. School of medicine, I should say, and Yale Law School will be back with Dr Roger Klein here on night side talking about just an extraordinary historic day here in America and let us hope that It all ends well, and all the concern of the Yanks that many of us been feeling today will will dissipate in a few days back with Dr Roger Klein. And eventually get spoke calls If you like 617 to 5 for 10, 30 triple 89 to 9 10 30 right after these messages, Nightside.

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07:15 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Inside with Dan, Right, W B z Boston's radio. Well, thank you. Madison Rogers Madison, Our newsroom duty tonight and Wow, What a day you talk about in October. Surprise. This is This is his big in October. Surprises I can remember in all the years that I've covered elections. My name is Dan Ray. I am the host of nightside Marrow shares your eyes back in the control room, setting up all the phone calls for you. And of course, I think all of you have watched the news at any moment today Know that there was one story tonight and that is the The announcement early today, actually early this morning that the president and Mrs Trump had both contracted Corona virus. Ah, a lot has happened and a lot hasn't happened during the day. The information coming out of the White House was fairly scarce. Ah, and the president did not tweet himself throughout the day, as I understand that I don't follow his tweets every day. But Apparently the That the tweeting was down on DH. Then it was announced late today that the president would be spending the next few days or several days. At Walter Reed Medical Center, raising all sorts of questions and all of a sudden the politics that has been so hot. In the last few days, a Supreme Court nomination the death of an associate justice of the U. S. Supreme Court debate controversy about the debate. Would they be future debates? Everything changed about one o'clock this morning. Quarter of one when the news broke, so to try to work through it and get a perspective, I have asked. I'm Dr Roger Klein. To Ah, join as tonight, and I'm delighted that Dr Klein is on the phone. Dr. Klein has been a guest on this program before. For those of you who might not remember. He is a a pathologist with advanced training in medical, microbiology and virology. He happens to be not only a graduate of the Yale School of Medicine, but he's also a graduate of Yale Law School, and there are not many people in this country who hold both. Medical to Grady's MDS and law degrees J. D. So, Dr Kline welcome back to night side. How are you, my friend? Good idea. Thanks for having me. Well, thank you for being available tonight. And I know that as a doctor, You can't diagnose things in advance, but I'm wondering if you could walk us through the day. What your thought. Wass when you heard that the president had contracted had tested positive for covert 19 as well as as well as his wife and, of course as the day of all of them. I'd love to know what you must have had some thoughts as a doctor that that probably I would be interested in hearing. Well, so I first found out about it. I get it about five today and I and I thought the report now you know, Of course, it's very concerning now. You know, looking at this objectively. The president's in good health. He's sort of overweight and my first instinct, Wass. You know, most people who get infected. Even older people don't have a serious illness and certainly don't his risk of Of dying from this is quite low. So that that that's the first thing that crossed my mind. And, you know, I just thought to myself you have a guy who Really, really getting more precautions than that than anybody else. Probably anywhere. He people around him. Can't get near him without being dusted. And still he contracted this virus which just speaks to how contagious it is. If you spend time in a long time in proximity, that somebody who has it And I, you know, it just reinforces the idea that which is something that I had Ah, and others. It's not not unique, but I You know, I just sort of look at this philosophically and kind of With the understanding that we're in the middle of an epidemic with a very contagious respiratory virus that most people who get it are you don't don't get Seriously ill. Many don't even know they have it and ah, and it's unlikely to Teo the epidemics unlikely to die out until enough people Get either infected or get developed some immunity through a vaccine so that we reach a level in the population that that the epidemic sort of burns out. Yeah, That's the concept I believe is called Herd immunity, Correct. Him. You could call it herd immunity, population immunity. I think that the butt but I think it's it's generally accepted. Although many people won't won't speak to it that It isn't going to go away until until sufficient numbers of people. Are either get infected or get immune through vaccination. And I've heard that that numbers anywhere from 60 to 70%. And at this point, my understanding and maybe they don't know what percentage of the population has actually been. Impacted because a lot of people have had covert as I understand that showed no symptoms and had no reason to get tested. And so We already could have put up I'm told in New York, for example, they're saying it could be as high as 25% of the population in New York City could already have the the end of bodies that would indicate that they had Had the infection, some points that do you understand? Yes. So I think it's it's not solely antibodies, which which can fade it. It's really over. So anybody there? What? What? What I would call a surrogate for a larger response. They Hey, the amount system's complicated. You have what are called B cells that produce antibodies of T cells that are that directly can attack cells infected by the virus. And what what really happened to the complex interplay of Of a range of of what our really defensive Ah, and so I think I know anybody there one part of it, but it's uh but but and I are kind of reflective. Of whether or not AH person's been infected to the extent that they don't dropped below, a level of, um Of detection. But then the immunity stays. So I guess that would be the comment that I would say if you get there, you get this lasting immunity and memory cells and when you get exposed to Sit. What's called the managing to the protein that that's produced by the heresy, you rev up the antibodies in the response and everything else So, yeah, I mean, I think I think you're right. You know that the most infections are Our most people who get infected. Probably don't know they have it and the number of infections relative to cases anything to study and, you know, a few months ago and based on their surveillance..

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News Talk 1130 WISN

07:10 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN

"Dr Roger Klein. Our pal is on the phone actually on Skype. To talk about the recent rise in Corona virus, positive cases and also cases of Cove in 19. We always do a very poor job of differentiating between the virus positive test and the actual disease. Dr Kline. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much. Pathologist. With a sub specialty board certification and molecular, genetic pathology and molecular diagnostics. You have advised the CDC, HHS and the FDA. What do you make of the quote rise in Corona virus cases, And if we're looking specifically at Wisconsin, it is coming largely out of two counties, and it's mostly young people. I'm saying this is a net positive of its young people, and we're not seeing increased hospitalizations and deaths. But Other people seem to think the apocalypse is looming in the in the very, very near future. Oh, hi, Vicky. So thank you for having me having me on so I I agree with you in the sense that I had certainly isn't a cause. For alarm, and I think it was to be expected. It's very hard to keep people people themselves locked down especially young people in and so we know that they're going to start returning Teo to normal activities and they're going to come in contact with one another, and they're going to get infected. I don't There's really no way to prevent it. And I don't think there's a problem with it because most of them won't suffer any consequences. It's it's it's similar, or maybe even less dangerous for them than the flu. Uh, the one worry that is that we We know that they spread it to people who are at risk, and I think what we need to do a focus our attention on protecting those people who are at risk. Sooner or later, people are gonna have to get Immune to we're gonna have to build up a sufficient level of immunity in the population in orderto for this epidemic to burn out its I'd rather see it happen among young people rather see the infections among young people than among people who could be seriously harmed by the right, Dr Klein. That is largely what we are seeing is that people in a knot in and and not not in an at risk population. Are, you know, mixing and mingling, And it makes sense, right? If you're gonna riot that's not going to be somebody age 52. You're going to get together and scream and share megaphones and you know riot together. You're going to be a young person if you're going in the crowded bars of any worries about crowded bars. You know, I don't know about you. But when is the last time you went to a crowded bar every Mino crowded bar in 20 years, so that typically is going to be a younger population of less get risk population and last I checked. You know, it's not like the 23 year old college student is hanging out at Grandma's kitchen table every single weekend, so we're not seeing this jump into the more at risk populations. You know, one would think you would want to have a measured response to this and say, All right, well, you know, young people. If you're going to do this, you're gonna want to make sure you protect yourself or your grandparent's our people at risk around you, But other than that, you know, go forth and create some herd immunity. I really wish people with start thinking. I wish our policymakers and our particular media would be looking at this in a more balanced way. There was a study that came out in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences and, Well, you know, well, I'm not enamored of models. I'll cite one because it seemed to Teo be somewhat realistic, and it said That we would need to. We would need Thio isolate 1/3 over 1/3 of asymptomatic cases. In addition to all of the symptomatic cases in order to suppress the virus to one prevented the population, so their calculations suggested we would need to do something impossible because there are there will be 30 million infections in the states. We can't do this. This is not realistic. We need a more targeted approach, and we have to understand that this virus is just going to need to run its course and from Most people. It's not that serious. I understand that it inspires fear. But much of that fair is driven by the media taking specific examples, for example, and playing them over and over again that aren't representative of the population. Yeah, Which is why you have schools, hemming and hawing over whether or not they're going allow students in the schools because what I think we had 11 story that I can think of of a young person who got a very rare reaction. To the Corona virus. And so now we're not supposed to allow kids back into schools, which is also probably driving idiotic rules like anybody over the age of three. Must wear a mask. Three. Can you imagine trying to keep a mask on a three year old? Oh, are all Children in a school If they do go back to the classroom must remain masked at all times in state, six feet away from each other. Factor Klein that isn't even realistic. I mean, keeping kids six feet away from each other and making them not fidget with their masks. It's just It's just I mean, nobody thinks that's going to be possible. No, I I don't believe so. But I do think we're being somewhat disingenuous If we think that that the kids aren't going to get infected and potentially spread it, and I think you know, I think that that's a risk we need to take because We're balancing several considerations. And so I might have a young. I actually have a younger child. And I'm looking forward to the possibility that probably a reasonable possibility that that will contract ground of Iris here and I think No, you you do the best you can and likely it is. We won't be seriously harmed by it. But I You know, I worry about my father. So I tell him Look, we're going to have a plan for the spring, and we're going to make sure that we keep you away from exposure, and that's what we need to do The same with teachers. You know the younger teachers, it's going to be fine and most parent most Children who are young Children, particularly their parents. They're young, too, and they're really not at serious risk if they get it, But there are teachers who are in high risk categories and, you know, maybe they are They don't think about doing something else, And it's sad to say it, but maybe they should do something else for a while until well, you know, a year year and 1/2 for however long it takes for this to run its course We needed me, but but we can't. We can't stop. Educating our Children are letting them develop normally, simply because there's an infection out there that that is, you know is is harmful for some, but for most is really not going to be more than a flu like illness. Yeah, right. Yeah. Also what? Let's let's explain or try to explain this deaths and hospitalizations. In most areas have gone down. Even as the infection So in Wisconsin infections have gone up largely driven by young people, But so so, naturally you're you're probably going to see you know, young people not be hospitalized. Young people not actually die from this. But you know, you still have AH, population of people in high risk categories that are still contracting Corona virus in Wisconsin in Minnesota in wherever And yet we have seen a dramatic reduction in the death rate from this..

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN

News Talk 1130 WISN

11:07 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN

"Check out my Facebook page ads Vicki McKenna show on Facebook and you you can get the automatic link for Meg Ellison's open Wisconsin now central Wisconsin protest there others coming online as well there is there is one and I will link this up shortly that is going to take place at the Wisconsin capitol next Friday not this Friday but next Friday and there is one that is that is there there is a national day of protest that is also taking place Wisconsin is going to be part of that that is to be announced we are hoping to be able to announce as well a fox valley area rally as well in Wisconsin so things whatever some of those legislators are claiming it looks like a lot of people in Wisconsin are frustrated with this endless shut down and a governor who seems to be giving no inclination of lifting these orders anytime soon presumably because the whole state must suffer because of Milwaukee I guess all right but now I want to introduce on the program Dr Roger Klein doctor Klein is a path allergist he has also worked in and as an adviser to HHS to the CDC you have also been part of the regulatory transparency project you are a a a certified physician you have been paying attention close attention to the numbers to just spread to all of the information about covert nineteen doctor Klein can I pick your brain on my program today that right thank you again for having you back all right so doctor Klein no slouch got his medical training at Yale so you know it's not like you gotta you correspondence certificate for your medical training you're the real deal what what what I have seen not reflected in media coverage but what reality seems to be showing is that we are on the other side of the peak on the spread of corona virus in the United States is that what you have been seeing is that what others have been seeing because it certainly looks like the models that were originally used to generate numbers are not accurate yes I made so getting to that the model in the press nothing wrong with using them for preparation if it's not if we don't if we don't take actions that are to train but I think treating them as fact that the evidence and then acting on them yeah eight eight with profound disruption of people because now my flight it is the type your proposition height you know what much of the epidemic it is still it better on the effort at the center in New York and I think they're still around forty percent of the New York metro area around forty percent of the cases and deaths than I am so what we talk about they're doing that one because I think there's lots of different places in the United States that Moscow different clothes many of which currently been curves and more like a line that I think we're not we don't really know we really haven't seen the kind of exponential growth that you think about what the curve in fact and we just didn't see that explosion and I think you know I I I think we're gonna get out yeah that's kind of the point where we understand enough about this disease to realize that yeah without it there probably a lot of infections that are never either stop clinical meaning they're not recognized or simply mild mild cases and that that may be mold yeah yeah I'm mad if right if in some circumstances specially called temple on contact pretty transmissible yeah well it's probably gonna be with us but if you have also a very it looks like it's got a very low fidelity rate based on infection the map steps from St in Germany in high school and the and the M. I. N. M. projections are our big problem captive fifty goal after minutes from the Oxford evidence based medical center which is one of the best in the world and is talking about of the daily rate of twenty one point three six percent but what that really means that we're saying that it may be it could be more or less like a bad or severe look okay so so that's kind of where we are we're not supposed to doctor Klein you're not swayed you I know you've got in trouble for me too but I but I can't help but because of the comparison of what the point I wanted to make so before I and I know I'm rambling on here but I think I think the idea that probably it's not as bad as we think it is in many respects and it may hang around awhile because if you have been impacted that many people and we're gonna have to learn to live with it which means getting on with their lives in the state and that taking out the way and protecting our body under the protecting those four types can can can you explain why we we keep her about herd immunity it does not require people to actually be exposed who are not going to become very sick from it does it it means we need to have a certain number of people exposed in order to protect vulnerable people from this do we not what about you have to work out of the air you know like you can get her to get it from a vaccine if you haven't which we don't are you can get herd immunity which means getting people impacted so their opinion and what I've got the acting as the virus can't spread as easily because it's been countering many people who are affected and those numbers by accident but again these are the same kinds of modeling an estimate I think we're giving this like implants are surprisingly low you know in that fifty or thirty three percent range in some situations which makes you wonder if maybe that is a part of what's going on in certain areas of New York where that maybe maybe it's not really about the the imposition of the stringent measures that are moderating the case numbers but actually that they share number explosion learn factor so yeah because New York is in in New York City is very very dense I looked at the density in New York City New York City overall is twenty two thousand people per square mile which blew my mind that's the densest city in the world by the way sixty six thousand just in Manhattan so that's a very that's a you know very both of I guess desirable place to be because sixty six thousand people per square mile are willing to cram their bodies into that city you know they make it work but it does it has to suggest that way more people than have been tested for it have been exposed to it yes so there was that stagnant women who I think they were right around a hundred Amanda thank you Matt lock not use but it they what they found was that for all of the mice so what maybe there's no more than that but the four of them were were five of them were symptomatic and then the rest are a symptomatic and I guess it was more you know more maybe with several hundred but it but that what happened was that the evidence is fifteen percent were called in nineteen our buyers called to positive of the fifteen percent of the just the theories of women who came and pregnant were more positive than most of them didn't have any of them so so so I think what that the gap if we if that if that are reflective of the population at large in New York New York City odd that would translate to maybe three million in action but yeah I mean yet you know you have a lot and from areas that could be what many warranty that they're fun they're they're much harder to get than other areas then it could be it there could be quite that bad that you have but method maybe very good double that rate maybe double fifteen provider I don't we don't really know we don't have epidemiologic risk their lives you got study but when I popped in a friend the word R. E. directing lab in New York I was hearing positive positivity rate for the for all comers of around fifty percent which you know which the gap that there were a lot of a lot of infected people walking around so sorry so to the pregnant woman studied everyone just these are just pregnant ladies who had to go see their doctors and they were tested for covered nineteen they didn't but most of them showed no symptoms whatsoever but fifteen percent of them were positive for cover nineteen said they had been exposed and they were showing no symptoms and that is suggested that a general population could have it to the to to the point of fifteen percent or as you say maybe in some areas maybe even larger than that have been exposed so maybe New York is on its way to your herd immunity maybe it is the rest of us are are essentially being told we have to behave in such in in a way that suggests we are going to face what New York is faced by the way news out today New York icy use are not are no longer overwhelmed in general in general perhaps or one or two or a handful that are overwhelmed but in general they announced that they have now kind of gotten ahead of some of the serious cases here can we talk about high drug drug to core Quinn because you know the anecdotal evidence we always have to say that because no one wants to do a study I know that the South Dakota governor is going to basically let her whole state be a study but this is a a a a a a disease treatment that seems to work prophylactic Lee and also seems to address people who are symptomatic not as well but it also seems to address the problems when it gets very serious why aren't we doing everything in our power to blanket the states with this particular protocol of drugs which and also includes a antibiotic well here's what I would I would say about it I I think you know normally what we do and our our usual process for evaluating drugs involved will call the clinical trial and if the input of the randomized double blind clinical trial where people don't know what people in the investigator don't know what matters that the people are getting and come get the drug but don't get the drugs we compare the mentally beat out work and what that he tended to do is eliminate any bias is not in our rights and I respect that so we have that it it it's difficult to say that bad that rug help on the other hand built by the way I would come at it as a physician as it may work if you have if you have them I'm very good safety profile although every drought and I I think it's important to point this out because some of them have five point is that you have to ask me about that I mean any drugs can cause the problem or a or a rare individual but we need to understand that there's there's never zero read but the fate the profile of the drug get quite good the safety profile of death or mac is very good and I you know if you don't have anything outside of the I don't I don't see any harm in that story and in trying to get I you know it if you don't have dental but you're not that guy I think I think you have to you know if something.

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"dr roger klein" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

06:47 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"I didn't feel uncomfortable at all people were very nice and distancing themselves and their lanes that freak without the mascot would be near that guy that's what they were and that's fine with me stay away from me assuming we get back in time depending on when the governor answers press conference here in a moment at one o'clock we're supposed to talk to a doctor Dr when I don't know if it's Richard Robert now there was about to announce that Dr Roger Klein this guy appears to be quite the rabble rouser when it comes to running up against popular opinion and he is out there saying look we don't need to be doing what we're doing to the economy we don't need to be destroying our economy we should be doing this in a smarter way he's not just anybody though he works in a molecular molecular biology so he also knows what he speaks but I keep getting emails from his people saying it did whose growth over I do think the World Health Organization screwed us over like a hundred percent there's no doubt in my mind on that I really really believe that they help well now they're saying the governor's press conference at twelve thirty so stop vamping and I will law I'll tell you what else is on the blog so doctor Klein interested to talk to and hear what he has to say because like I said this is where you're going to run up to a problem between people on the left who believe that scientists can do no wrong if you notice this like it this is a gross over simplification so if you don't fit into either of these categories please no I'm not talking about you but kind of a big picture view of the way I see the clash between some on the left and some on the right when it comes to things like coronavirus climate change religion and faith people on the right tend to be the kind of people who say I believe in god that's right but my faith I believe in god god has a plan what happens happens it's going to be okay because if I'm a Christian especially I believe that I'm gonna go to a you know a secondary life and have been all that good stuff again gross oversimplification but on the left where people tend to be more secular they don't have god to kind of dump it into god's lap when you have a problem they are constantly looking for answers from people who work in science right because scientists are smart this is what they do they spend all day every day studying these various things so you're looking for answers in science except they they ignore how often science has been wrong I don't mean a little bit wrong I mean stunningly wrong they may face creams in the early nineteen hundreds with radioactive particles in them and they thought that was a good idea doctors used to recommend smoking to aid in digestion they thought that was a good idea and so right now for the last fifty years doctors and scientists have been waging war on dietary fat only to find out each sugar that's been the problem the entire time or maybe it hasn't this is my point and we have the schism right now of people who say look if I get code if I get corona virus and it's my time I'm right with god and it's my time now they don't want to die it's not a fatalistic attitude to say if it happens it happens but there's some freedom in that there's some freedom of being able to say you know what if it's my time I you know I've done what I need to for my family I could get hit by a bus just as easily although there's not many buses running right now but you know what I'm saying and then on the left you have people you guys my friends who are hard core progressives and yes I have dear friends that are hard core progressives literally terrified all the time of coronavirus they're afraid to do anything because of coronavirus they are locked in their houses and apartments all they do is watch the twenty four hour news cycle and they are living in a position of such fear because the scientists have not solved the problem yet now I'm not saying the scientists won't solve the problem I too have a great deal of faith in the ability of science to help us overcome these things I you know I don't think you have to say your your religious person or you believe in science I'm not stupid enough to say that what I see on my friends in the left is is like this almost pathological fear that that they're going to die of this before some guy or girl or woman can figure out how to treat them or cure them it's just it's a very different weird schism that I'm seeing and I think it's why so many people are so angry on the left that Donald Trump is actually talking about trying to re open the economy that governor Jerry Polish is talking about trying to open parts of the economy again you know because man hasn't figured it out yet it's just very strange that was just kind of one philosophical point that I noted over the last weekend and you guys were as bad as we have it here in lockdown my best friend is in her apartment in Brooklyn which is in the part of Brooklyn that borders probably the largest outbreak in Brooklyn right now which is in Williamsburg which is a huge Jewish Hasidic Jewish neighborhood in Williamsburg and they're having a huge outbreak and she said this morning I talked to her every day she said this which is like I cannot handle the sirens the sirens are nonstop twenty four hours a day the sirens she's like it has not stopped in four days so no matter what we're going through right now here in the Denver metro area you're not locked in your apartment with no where to go for four days with nothing but sirens so if you have nothing else to be grateful for today be grateful that that is not you right now okay hopefully the governor will take the the lectern right at twelve thirty but if he does Susan what can we talk to him if not I'll come back and then we'll join the governor when you get started sooner we have the news today okay so we're all understand home orders right that means you think okay everybody's just in their own home doing their own thing apparently in boulder during this time they are seeing the most burglaries they have in ages I'll tell you a little bit more about that how is actually happening and when it's actually happening at twelve thirty on Keighley newsradio eight fifty AM ninety four one of them.

"dr roger klein" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

05:30 min | 2 years ago

"dr roger klein" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"With Gordon deal thanks for spending time with us welcome into Wednesday March eleventh Gordon deal Jennifer could shrink some of our top stories and headlines Byton claims more momentum over Sanders with primary victories last night including Michigan one thousand coronavirus cases in the U. S. versus eighty seven thousand flu cases congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez says people avoiding Asian restaurants are racist about corona virus E. S. P. ends as the NBA may move games to cities not impacted by corona virus Wall Street journal says Pepsi is close to buying the rockstar energy drink FS one says rob Gronkowski may join the W. W. E. and the favorite college mascot that's retiring that story in about twenty minutes has over regulation hurts our ability to fight the new coronavirus in the U. S. Dr Roger Klein an expert with the regulatory transparency projects FDA and health working group thinks it has he is the former medical director of molecular pathology at the Cleveland Clinic and a former adviser to the FDA and CDC doctor how do you see this what we're doing is we are there to fear of the unknown right now and it's being obligated by the by some extent media reports say and maybe a lack of knowledge in some cases yeah and they and people are I think blowing this way out of proportion most people who get sick with this with this virus the experience a very mild disease are we better prepared than other countries to battle this I think we are I mean I I look where we're falling down here is impacting and the problem is one of over regulation what's going on is the FDA is preventing hospitals from tactic the way they did in the H. one N. one epidemic and what happened in that case everybody was was very frightened about it hospital got tapped up I'm I'm wide rapidly started tapping thousands of patients and what we found out what it really wasn't any worse than ordinary hello but we got information very quickly we could we we were able to diagnose people right away and manage them appropriately and in that case there's no real treatment what we're talking about is is identifying people finding them in either isolating that people who have disease are quarantining them if they if they're exposed finance providing supportive care in and what we need at the hospital to be able to tap so that the doctor can order the tap and right away in a very short time to manage the patient appropriately and and only the hospital can do that if you either it's great to have question lab core involved the commercial after Bob but they've got a four day turnaround time so why is the FDA preventing some of this testing the FDA I you have to be up BA I I don't yep yep based on a risk benefit calculation where you have a disease that potentially could potentially cause an epidemic can cause death and you don't have a treatment you're really using that that the result to isolate somebody or or to to quarantine people that the risk of harm him seem quite low if relative to map testing which is what's going to happen what we need to do is we need to get out there and tap people who have mild symptoms we need to do it in the hospital we need to get people when they come in the hospital what could get captive and identify those folks I yeah but I never I just received an email from a friend in a major institution who told me that they're there unfortunately they because they can't set up their camp there have been committed to allocate bad then they take people in with the station they're taking hospital beds in there waiting on people who may not even have coronavirus most people probably have the flu comment the what and if we go out and we can if we if we connect people with mild symptoms were gonna understand better what the Rangers goal of the disease how severe it is and we'll have that how widespread is that and when we end yep we cap will monitor it to understand in this way when it when it seems to be spreading or not right we're speaking with Dr Roger Klein is an expert with the regulatory transparency project we're talking about corona virus this so you you are calling for this the widespread and dial it liberal diagnostic testing is one of the bullet points says here is that tied to these kids that we seem to be short of but are ramping up production of this week I think that there are almost a distraction since when did the government of a medical test manufacture we what we've done is we've we've engaged in in centralized planning for protecting them it doesn't work better anywhere in drag every in diagnostic testing any better but it doesn't anywhere out and what we need to do what we need to let the hospital go leave them alone let them set up their cap and let them have their patients under look B. B. blab the regulator they have highly trained professionals not the let the birds that are going to set this up are going to be those with with with some very experienced personnel major Saturday we need to let them do their job doctor doctor Roger Clyne expert with the regulatory transparency.

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