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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

08:01 min | 1 year ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KTRH

"If you're looking at the human body generally are there things that you recommend everyone do separate missile from corona violent virus or the flu season or anything else to strengthen communities that are basics that we can all do really known your main system biting incident pretty amazing because we come into contact with all sorts of things all the time and then the long term which is helping mom sweet good good sleep eat well exercise and do the right things I don't smoke don't face hunger only the best recommendations I can give anybody when you were a doctor Richard Harris is our guest if someone suspects that they that the flu is coming off first of all is there a symptom that you first notice and if we notice that symptom is their advice for things you can do to at least reduce if not eliminate you know the ill effects of the flu because the flu we tend to forget how bad it really is until we get it and influenza thank you very mild one receiver Instagram it's a respiratory infection but on a scale of zero to ten the respiratory symptoms for two or three or four on the other hand when you get the flu the constitutional symptoms of high fever instead he giving us an ability to get out of bed eight or nine that would be the best clue the pharmacist will be inspection is still important what also is important if you come down with the sort of symptoms to get in touch with your position because the data suggests they're getting on an anti viral medication you lieutenant who should be within the first forty eight hours symptoms or has much less goodness so early onset of these symptoms get in touch they don't have a clue if you if the doctor believes that is the a way to go there is a very rapid tests for influenza and several of them that are accurate and helpful and I noticed as you see the international response and obviously that varies country to country what United States is doing versus maybe what China's doing obvious they've had a big outbreak in in Iran are there things that you would like to see as an infectious disease specialist and a guy with a career dealing with this that you would like to see from a public health perspective a governmental perspective that you're not seeing are there some things that you're saying that you say that's what needs to be done our I thank the government under vice president pence without leading the effort this is getting there no one was really sure whether this thing was going to die down Lampung no I think they're doing it and probably the most useful approach to this news quarantine people who have been over exposed to it it has some severe measures people haven't come back from Ellie Reese mandolin hello who had to put him home for seven to ten days come back to work because you may have been exposed I think it's going to be some pretty stringent criteria when Clinton all the way to go there is no explanation for this there is no known effective treatment for one for prevention by trying to limit the spread is the most important measure we can give you know there is Dr Richard Harris is our guest by the way he is affections disease specialist in Houston at the Methodist hospital of very well regarded hospital here in Houston and if you were looking at the flu shot and I know there's a there's a no it'll be you everyone says get your flu shot get your flu shot if everyone gets their flu shot for everyone does what they're supposed to do how big a dent would that make in the traditional flu that we have in the United States I think that clearly was very concerned here some flu shots are more effective the closer to what the new back to predict six months in advance what we were gonna have so click yes an educated guess based on what's going on in the southern hemisphere but some flu shots are much more effective than others and I've I've known several people who had the flu shot and still came down with the flu but it is set yeah okay this is Jeff even if that happens Mr case computer service if you didn't have the flu shot but the more people that can be vaccinated and develop so called herd immunity especially children who tend to have better develop better immunity an optional initial spread of the virus in schools to my home and so on the more people that get vaccinated less influence over mystery that's clear and also it's absolutely clear you could not get the flu from the flu shot it is not allowing my virus if you were to get concluded inflator add nothing to it who shot it takes ten to fourteen days to work him only think it's shown as you may have a soul arm from the soccer a few days otherwise no increased risk of an incident in when you look back in your career as an infectious disease specialist doctors what is the biggest single advancement in combating infectious diseases in your professional career not you individually but that that the medical community has done I'm not sure there's any one we certainly are continuing to grow and develop more and more antibiotics and the organisms become more resistant it's been a real push in the outpatient and inpatient for more judicious use of antibiotics way too many antibiotics given to many people and we're working on that there's also a national programs in a box or two programs I think that's been a very useful and also some of the new molecular tests that we can rapidly diagnose gum restaurant Texans Aspin pencil collections have been phenomenal okay I wouldn't say there's any one magic bullet all of this and I've always said never underestimate bugs they know they're gonna burn to get resistant one with the other so we always have to be on top of our game you've got delta Michael berry show we need all wall Kathleen wall a wall of our southern border conservative Kathleen wall is the wall to help Donald Trump build a wall to protect our country Saudi Kathleen wall knows that if we don't have borders we don't have a country she's running for Congress to stand up to 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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

08:53 min | 1 year ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KTRH

"And inspections disease specialist at Methodist hospital in Houston dark our list let's first talk in talk to me like I'm six if you don't mind don't I think a lot of us don't know a lot about infectious diseases and I think there's probably a lot of fear and in the fear is made into movies and books and and and some people kind of enjoy that fear like a roller coaster but when we look at infectious diseases like the flu why can't why just why do flute what is the flu continue why can't we just snuff this thing out well first off I'd like to see the most infections are not contagious if somebody has a urinary tract infection Cora surgical wound infection a lot of infection the fearless girl that is not contagious however there are certain infections such as influenza tuberculosis coronavirus infections that are contagious from people to people who is amazing virus that has the capability to shift and helter coatings so that the body no longer has immunity to it been that way for millennia and likely will continue to be that way four from now on the best hope for who prevention in what is called a universal flu vaccine NIH and other entities are working on which would him very we are one time shot correct hello and would not have to do the different flu shots every year and that's a that's a total **** but we're not there yet what makes an infectious an infection contagious what what wire some contagious and and others not do we know well the most common non contagious infections or respiratory I would cough sneeze touch other people like that there's other one such as sexually transmitted diseases obviously infections that can be transmitted Amanda man but if someone has a urinary tract infection organisms that can jump out hello and urine and jump on somebody else and cause a problem such as an IV catheter related infection I wound infection those aren't and most the mowing is a veteran loans are not contagious it's the nature of the organism and Donnelly viruses completely or the most concerning once so when when we hear the term novel coronavirus people the in in if you if I were six to ten years old how would you explain to me why are we using the phrase novel the terms novel this is a new virus strain hi new kind of virus if we had not seen before we've had coronavirus here all the time it's very common here in the United States in the last ten years or so we have rapid molecular tests can diagnose coronavirus we do that all the time just have patience week a clone of ours right when the virus changes enough I mean enough or very low enough such as this one it becomes a novel clean and new no virus humans have not seen before and it has enough Ms because again there's the opening arguments lack of immunity it's a problem N. eight and No we talked before our conversation and I don't put you in a position to have to speak to something that I did it the world is just kind of coming to grips with I understand there's a lack of knowledge you got your areas of expertise but are there things about this corona virus that you're hearing about seeing so far that concern you more than others or is this I mean because you know we've had swine flu we had bird flu we've had scary pandemics in the past I think what is most concerning about this cars yes hello eight years it appears to be how rapidly it spreads from person to person I mean from not knowing anything about it probably closing in over eighty thousand cases already and in general when you know how many places there are there's a lot more cases that were not diagnosed the patient wasn't very strict clothing going to a doctor so they can retain his business the great concern someone on the good side of this is correct the overall mortality I believed to be less than one percent there is statistics for one to two percent and how many die from and it's probably pretty accurate what is under diagnosed in the number of cases find a lot more cases the people get over and then you're fine so on the bright side although it's a serious problem extremely serious problem hello Hainan's we've all the claims the good news is that ninety nine percent or so it over lately well in in that would be my second question I mean I know that nobody wants to say Hey guys don't worry this thing is a bad I I understand that even if that were true what I want to do that and and the fear of the unknown you know but there's been reference to whether or not this is the common colder I mean it strikes me if people have it and don't even know it then then maybe from that perspective it's not as frightening as something like Ebola that if you get it the the fatale the rates are are much higher right absolute mentality very privilege tremendous tremendously high one more people dying many more people die with influenza then they will look for COPD in nineteen hundred coronavirus influenza far bigger mmhm and throughout the world and this but it's a new or novel Barnes and rapidly spread and I don't think anybody knows whether it's about to start to go away but it was his second wave of analysts can happen so I said the bad news is it's incredibly contagious and maybe even when you're in symptomatic invents credit good news relative mortality seems to be very low Dr Richard Harris is an infectious diseases or disease specialist at Methodist hospital in Houston what are the basics that we might not know in terms of if people are concerned because it seems that people everyone is our lot many people are somewhat panicked over all these are their basic things that you would suggest in addition to washing your hands and N. you know are there a couple of things that you sort of eyes everybody I mean all still want help with the flu flu shot if you haven't gotten one washing your hands more frequently than usual has probably a very good idea right obviously restricting travel to areas of concern in the Middle China Japan Korea and Italy in some other countries and others hi down would be in everyone's best interest it's hard to tell people not to go to ball games there this symphony here restaurants within groups of people I know that is happening that people are refraining from doing that at this point we just don't have any information hello so in round in Houston or Texas have any significance there's been a few cases right very few Michael berry.

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

15:40 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"On us k acts. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Lima. Cochran. His book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got a sufficient amount of era at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts, and and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers brought an m made in and that detected that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it had dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the the four rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really made the clock tick, even louder. It was that. There was the with the full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out, but they had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And it's like came again, they probably that was it. Yeah. That would have been all we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was a kind of wind e in and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch. Black Oviously inside the cave. The water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been through before them. They might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand, they sold their way along the the guidelines, but you're right all the options that they could be thought of we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable tube. That was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the humming along caves, they realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great efforts to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some octogenarians water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over in the caves. They tried to pump out the water right though. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early, and it did not stop huge resources will put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as as a camp three which is where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers. And the divers the owned that it's probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was a it was a good effort. It was worth trying as absolutely I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control, and it became a matter of would a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They didn't control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now who's idea wasn't Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the doctors who had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is. I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba diver would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few dollars on your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just I'm thinking that they could have a regulator in their mouths. They'd have a mosque there is they could stay calm as they were pool service. And they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would have been I would stay calm as an adult. Well, well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way's up. You can't see anything visibility. That's the one thing about scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up for down, correct? That's right. And so. And that factored into some of the planning that they did to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned what these fooled by smart, and they if it's the typical scuba masks, which are two paces a mask and a and a regulator mouthpiece has your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the Joel on and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keep some pressure in as the as the oxygen something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the notices, and and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected intended to the boy, they would put that in front of him strap it to his front noughties back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave, hopefully, still face down. Hopefully, still breathing and remain there weighted down by that tank by that lead, wait until he's rescued Ivette could feel his way around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by sign. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now that that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting it took about six hours to get in and about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to b. To get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No. I know it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as diver, you would know that that's that's beyond what you could do on eight Hank two tanks, even the three tanks that they would take in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew where they would be. They had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors which were full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snap, and they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the divers would know which thanks Erin them, and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this Volvo, it just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panic along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who is also an expert cave. Dive up one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and the boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold ketamine. You also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the of was injected into the boy's leg he was given an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name zanex that would come him down. It him down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris lap and talk to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine. To put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the most kind of hot stuffing things, I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the the rescue is gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving pot of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour each of the boys would have to be revised life. So each of the the the British recovery divers. The dog is actually to one boy H and one of the time out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of ketamine separate from its needle and at various stages. They had to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water. Well, in a part of the tunnel kind of which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with his other hand to get these reloaded ketamine syringes out and trying readmits to that got through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't the site too much or exaggerate anything. And he said it was a it was a pretty nervous. My with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the doctor Donald these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there are certain breed. People who go cave diving for fun, generally have a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their loss. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out with the breathing respirator in their mouth. What would keep them to the full face? The full face mask was was sealed tightly to their almost almost like a helmet. That's right to the front of the. Okay. So they didn't they didn't have anything in their mouths breathing like scuba diver. Correct. Okay. So that that helped a little bit. So they're knocked out there sleep. They've got this helmet on leak proof and off they go. For a five hour trip. That's right. Although there was one more thing that was done to try and enhance the chances of the rescue being a success. And it was something that it was probably the biggest revelation. I think the the research that I did for the book, and it was something that certainly wasn't nine at the time. But before each was put in the water to to be taken out of the cave. The rescuers did one more thing which may sound first controversial. But was absolutely necessary. They cable tied the boy's hands behind his back, and they did that. So that he did wake up along the journey. You wouldn't panic to struggle. He couldn't refuse mosque off. He couldn't fight with the the rescue diver. It was solely to try and help that boy survive and the coach survived that they did that. The it's the only way they would have been able to help them. I think by doing. That's right. Knocking those kids out. And once once they got let's say the first one out. Pandemonium, of course, people were cheering crying. It was just it was a miracle. How many divers did it take to get the twelve boys out and the coach? Well, the actual what they called recovery divers, which is the ones who actually to one of the boys and did the diving out there were four initially. And then I believe two more guys came into to assist. So if I'm remembering correctly, I am a total of six recovery. Divers? Then there was support team of another dozen also dotting instructors who mostly based in Thailand, and they were stationed along the way to check their vital signs to help tanks to because at each point..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

10:15 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Probably would. Yeah. That would have been a lotta we were riveted here in the United States day by day. With this incredible story and people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in we and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was picked back obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been three before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be sold up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad, they contemplated as you say something of inflatable shoop that was one of the Musk's suggestions. They did actually trial that in canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged rocks are within the long cave. They realized that would never work. They went to the rescue is went to great efforts to try to drill an access hole using industrial machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when Android a few meters into the Weinstein when the boys were found, and they pulled it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out that was still could get some oxygen and water. It could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options the fight most favorable option from much of the rescue period was to simply wife and just plants survive in there until the monsoon was over in the cave. They tried to pump out the water right pumping was going on the whole time humping started early and did not stop huge resources will put into that. And and that certainly made a difference foam the entrance of the cave to what was not became known as a as a can't three which is where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers. And the divers the on that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist, and any sorts that actually went in there. But it was it was a it was a good effort. It was withdrawing absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in. At some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, would rent a bit of an inch? But it would go down pretty often. They didn't control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was. It was going to happen. And the reason for that is a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive at would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you had a few days under your belt, these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth. They'd have a mosque over. There is I could stay calm food service. And they have never done that before on they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I I think I would have been able to stay calm at an adult Bank through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you can't see which way's up because anything is. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is a certified scuba diver in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning that they did they get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned was these food by small, and they the typical scuba two to Moscow and a regulator mouthpiece. So you have this is a single piece of plastic that goes over yours makes us feel around the whole face and the full head down the side of the face around the jewel on and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in the cylinder that is considered an easier option for notices, and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated and terms of what you were saying about nine which is up or down. The other thing that I did was to put the oxygen cylinder. That would be connected to the boys. They will put that in front of him strap it to he's not he's back as you might imagine. And then in addition, they put a lid on the five is that the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver ends the boy became a separate separated. Was down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down, hopefully, still breathing and remained that weighted down by that tank that lived wife until he's rescued. I bet good feelings lay around in the darkness and. The kid would panic by that time would have no idea. Well, now that that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours? The wooded harm was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point A to beat way to get out of the cave would take five hours direct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's the on what you can do on eighteenth to even the three tanks that they were taking in each of the divers had three straight three times strapped to them and they positioned spit. Thanks, along the way to replenish supplies Opoku. They find them. They had systems worked out the different sports that had been marked the new way that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones a full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of glow in the dark blue sixty snapping night. They come to life. They had those types of the tanks that would let them up in green or red for for twelve hours. So the job is would know which thanks that even them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking or going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this is a lot. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly the rescue daughter as well. So a decision was made. At the time very secretly for Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of any two people in the world who has that skill set went in and the boys to sleep using topple sedative police academy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the name was injected into the boys lake he was given an anti anxiety, drug abuse, other brand names that would calm him down down to the water's edge would sit Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris and stuff to how he would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque, and therefore create another drowning has an suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all the one of the most kind of stopping things I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of the diving diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last. For about an alum. So each of the boys would have to be revised. Each of the the the British recovery actually took one bleach and under time. Each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of main separate firms needle and at various stages. They have to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up. And there were other dot instructors volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Johnson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water while they're in a part of the tunnel. Had no money banks on the side. He was forced to just hold the boys. Best he could samba around with his other hand to get these reloaded ketamine syringes out and find reate minister that the wizards. And he describes it either. Very calm. He's he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't to the state too much or exaggerate anything. He said, it was a pretty nervous moment with syringes and rep is floating around in the water in these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there are certain breed people who cave diving for fun. Generally has a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their loss. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out with the breathing respirator in their mouth. What would keep them full faith? Mosque was was sealed tightly to their almost almost like a helmet. That's right to the front of the. Okay. So they didn't they didn't have anything in their mouths breathing. Like a scuba diver. Correct. Okay. So that helped a little bit. So they're knocked out there sleep. They've got this helmet on leak proof and off they go. For a five hour trip..

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"Coast to coast AM I'd cagey. Oh, eight ten. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Liama. Cochran. His book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. Selenium so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got sufficient amount of air at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts, and and put some level of panic in the the rescue efforts was one of the divers board an air made it in and that detected that the that the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting toward dangerous levels. If it had dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the the four rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly going to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really made the clock tick even loud. It was that. There was the widow full cost because heavy rains had been four costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out, but they had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains with coming again. Anything can begin. They probably that was it. That would. Yeah. That would have been all we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. And then there were a couple. Scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black Oviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So so the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been through before them. They might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be thought of we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad, they contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable tube. That was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rock saw within the coming along cave. They realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few maters into the launch time when the boys were found and they pulled that off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never gonna get the boys out. It was still Habsi could get some oxygen and water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options, perhaps the most favorable option for for much of the rescue period was to simply wife and just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over and the caves they tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time pumping started early and did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference foam the entrance of the cave to what was not became known as as a camp three where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was a it was a good effort. It was with. Trying as absolutely I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if he would rent a bit. What are we go up to an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They did control. It. Well without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now who's idea wasn't Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dodgers had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that are recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few onto your belt, so these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth could have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as they were pool. Exerted and they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly odd I think I would have been able to stay calm as an adult. Whoa. Whoa. Being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You come see anything has visibility woman. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down? Correct. That's right. And so and not factored into some of the planning to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these food by small, and they to the typical scuba masks, which are two pieces a mouse and a regulator mouthpiece have between your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over yours makes us feel around the whole face on the forehead down the side of the face around the Joe line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the air is something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the notices, and and certainly for the voice who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about not nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air someone that would be connected intended to the boy, they put that in front of him strap it to his front not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid waste on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became separated Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down. I really still breathing and remain there weighted down by that tank. And by that lead white until he's rescued. I bet could feel his way around in the doctors and try. Aw. The kid would panic by that sign. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now, that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours? The water was too strong and most hostile swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours took correct to go from point a to b to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. Now, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's the on what? You could do wanna on eight hundred two tanks even the three tanks that they were taking in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew where that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones with full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snap, and they they come to life. They had those touch to the tanks that would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the job would know which thanks Aaron them, and which were D. Now, the ordeal, of course, will be hot. Do you? Get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them. How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with a diver? And of course, this is where your story and your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescued diver as well. So a decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Dive up one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and put the boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold ketamine. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the name was injected into the boys league he was given an anti anxiety drug business by the brand name that that would come down. Walk him down to the water's edge. The boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and talk to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine. To put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another founding hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the most kind of hot stuffing things, I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the main would only last for about an hour. So each of the boys would have to be reduced play each of the the the British recovery divers. The the dog is actually to one boy H and one of the time dotcom out each of those expert divers had a a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of ketamine separate from his needle and at various stages. They have to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy com. Floor in the water. Well, never in a part of the tunnel tunnel, which had no money banks on the side that he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could samba around with these other hand to get these preloaded ketamine syringes out and trying readmits to that through the wet suit. And he describes it either very common. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't to the site too, much or exaggerate anything. And he said it was a it was a pretty nervous. My men with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the tunnel. These divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there. There are certain breed people who go cave diving for fun. Generally have a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their life. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out with the breathing respirator in their mouth. What would keep them the full face? The full face mask was was sealed tightly to their almost almost like a helmet. That's right to the front of the. Okay. So they didn't they didn't have anything in their mouths breathing. Like a scuba diver. Correct. Okay. So what that that helped it a little bit? So they're knocked out there sleep. They've got this helmet on leak proof and off they go. For a five hour trip. That's right. Although there was one more thing that was done to try and enhance the chances of the rescue being a success. And it was something that it was probably the biggest revelation. I think of the the research that I did for the book, and it was something that certainly wasn't nine at the time. But before each was put in the water to to be taken out of the cave. The rescuers did one more thing which may sound controversial. But was absolutely necessary. They cable tied the boy's hands behind his back, and they did that. So that if you did wake up along the journey, you wouldn't panic struggle. He couldn't repeat mosque golf. He couldn't fight with the the rescue diver. It was solely to try and help that boy survive and the coach survived that they do that..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"See. So it was all done by over diving was done by hand. They felt they were along the the guideline, but you're right all the options that they could be thought up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions. I did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as had spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shop jagged rocks within the come along. They realized that would never were. They went to the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial grilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was so perhaps it could get some oxygen in water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options, perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white and just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over in caves. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early. And it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was it became known as a as a camp three which is where I sort of afford up writing, basically sit up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was worth trying. As absolutely I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would Ryan bit. What are we go up age? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was it Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the doctors who had cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is. I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you had a few dollars onto your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as pool service. And they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, not no no experience like that. And and frankly, I would stay calm at an adult. Well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way's up. He can't see anything his visibility. And that's the one thing about scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so. And that factored into some of the planning that they need to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these fooled by smart, and they they if it's the typical scuba mask, which are two paces a mosque and a regulator mouth face. The have your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face and the full head down the side of the face around the jewel line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out. It keeps them pressure in as the as the oxygen and the air is pumped in from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the notices, and and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about not knowing which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected to the to the boy they will put that in front of him strap it to his front noughties back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate is Yanni was the boy who down to the bottom of the cave, hopefully, still face down, hopefully, still breathing and remained there weighted down by that tank. And by that lead white until he's rescued. I bet could way around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now that we're going to get into but one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting it took about six hours to get in and about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point A to B to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. It was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's beyond what. You could do on eight Hank two tanks, even the three tanks that they would take in each of the three strike three tanks strapped to them and they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew where that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones with full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixty snap a night, they come to live. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the drivers would know which thanks had Aaron them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this bottle. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So a decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave up one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. The boys to sleep using powerful sedative cold kit, a main he also gave him a couple of other things to help that process. So before the ketamine was injected into the boys lake he was given an anti anxiety drug business by the brand name that would calm him down. I would welcome down at the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and talk to Harry would give an injection into his lake of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that well he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the most kind of hot stopping things, I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue. It's gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving diving pot of it. And during that process, the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. Each of the boys would have to be revised. So each of the the the British recovery divers, the the dog is actually took one boy H and one of the time out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of ketamine separate from its NATO and at various stages they had to re administer that. Most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water in a part of the tunnel. Kind of which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with these other hand to get these preloaded ketamine syringes out and try and reate minister that. Through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't say too much or exaggerate anything. He said, it was a it was a pretty nervous moment with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water in these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there. There are certain breed people who've go cave diving for fun, generally has a certain kind of character, very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their life. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out with the breathing respirator in their mouth. What would keep them? Face to face mask was was field. Partly to their almost almost like a helmet. That's right to the front of the. Okay. So they didn't they didn't have anything in their mouths breathing. Like a scuba diver. Correct. Okay. So that helped a little bit. So they're knocked out there sleep. They've got this helmet on leak proof and off they go. For a five hour trip. That's right. Although there was one more thing that was done to try and enhance the chances of the rescue being a success. And it was something that it was probably the biggest revelation. I think the research that I did for the book, and it was something that certainly wasn't nine at the time. But before each was put in the water to to be taken out of the cave. The rescuers did one more thing which may sound it first controversial. But was absolutely necessary. They cable tied the voice hands behind his back. And they did that. So that he did wake up along the journey. You wouldn't panic to struggle. He couldn't repeat mosque off. He couldn't fight with the the rescue diver. It was solely to try and help that boy survive and the coach survived that they did that. It's the only way they would have been able to help them. I think by doing. Knocking those kids out. And once once they got let's say the first one out. Pandemonium, of course, people were cheering crying. It was just it was a miracle. How many divers did it? Take to get the twelve boys out in the coach..

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12:59 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KTOK

"One thousand KT okay worldwide on iheartradio. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Liam Cochran. His book is called miracle indicate we're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam so they're sending food in dude. Are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got a sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers brought an m made it in and that detected that the that the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it had dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tie rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly going to sleep and died in there. So this this is what? It really made the clock kick even louder. It was that. There was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But then I had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And it's like begin they probably that was it that. Yeah. That would have been all we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're going to make. A couple scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind -i we've and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been tree before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was old on by diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guidelines, but you're right all of the options that they could be thought up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the along. They realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial grilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they pulled it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was so perhaps it could get some oxygen water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just trying to survive in there until the monsoon caves rained. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early. And it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as as camp three which is where I sort of a Ford operating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that, it's probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was there was a good effort. It was worth trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would rain a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was. Probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was it Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you're you know, if you had a few onto your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just I'm thinking that they could have a regulator in their mouth. They'd have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as they will pool service, and they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would have been I would have stay calm as an adult. Well, well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything his visibility. And that's the one thing about the scuba diving has I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water, you don't know if you're going up or down. Correct. That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these fooled by smart, and they they differ to the the typical Maas which are two paces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. You have between your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes a seal around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the July and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the auction something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the novices. And and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were saying about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected to the to the boy they were put that in front of him strap it to his front not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a little white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the caves, hopefully, still face down. Hopefully, still breathing and remain that way to down by that tank by that laid waste until he's rescued. I bet could feel way around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now, that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting it took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to b. Way to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. All my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's what you could do on eight tank to tanks, even the three tanks that they would take in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew I would be they had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which was full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim. Lots those sort of low in the dock low sixties snap a night, they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. The drivers would know which thanks had Aaron them and which were empty. Now, the ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with a diver? And of course, this is where your story and your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today. These kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for their survival. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panic along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who is also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. Put the boys to sleep using powerful sedative cold Kimmy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid Maine was injected into the boy's leg. He was given an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name Xanax that would calm him down was walking down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap. And stock the Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the my kind of hot stuffing things, I think also the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. So each of the boys would have to be reduced life. So each of the the British recovery divers, the the dog is actually took one boy H and one of the time them out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of kid of main separate from his needle and at various stages. They had to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations. That was set up and other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Nelson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water while they're in a part of the tunnel kinda which had no muddy banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with his other hand to get these preloaded ketamine syringes out and trying readmits to that through the wet suit. And he describes it either. A very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't say too much or exaggerate anything. And he said, it was a it was a pretty nervous my men with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the tunnel. These divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there are certain breed..

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"Four nine. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Liam Cochran. His book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in cave in Thailand. Salim so they're sending food in there are they pumping air in there to do they need that. Or is the Cape got sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts, and and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the daughters bought an m made it in and that detected that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tire rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in their. So this this is what really made the clock even louder. It was that. There was the a full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But I had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains with coming again. And it's like can again, they probably that was it that. Yeah. That would have been a lotta we were riveted here in the United States and day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it in a couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean, the was the cave was kind of wind e in weedy, and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one obtains through before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be sort of put on the table. And frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the time navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the cave. They realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great efforts to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few maters into the launch Stein when the boys were found, and they pulled it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some oxygen in water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over in the caves. So they tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time pumping started early, and it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as as I can't three which is where I sort of afford writing base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist, and they searched that actually went in there. But it was it was a it was a good effort. It was worth trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They go to under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would write a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. They did control it but without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now who's idea wasn't Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the divers who had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is I it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that are recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few onto your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit. Not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just I'm thinking that they could have a regulator in their mouth. They'd have a mosque over. There is I could stay calm as they were pool service, and they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and frankly, odd I think I would have seen. I would stay calm as an adult. Well, well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything is visibility of. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned what these food by small, and they they differ to the typical scuba mask, which are two paces a mosque and a and a regulator mouth face. You have between your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over yours makes us feel around the whole face and the full head down the side of the face around the Joe Alon and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the auction. Something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for novices. And and certainly for these voice who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected intended to the boy, they would put that in front of him strap it to his front naughty back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sit down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down really still breathing and remained there weighted down by that tank by that led wife until he's rescued. I bet could feel way around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by. That's fine. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now, that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in and about five hours to get out helped along a little bit. By the flow of the water. Are are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to b to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. It was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's beyond what. You could do on eight tanks two tanks even three tanks that they were taking in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spit. Thanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew it would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which was full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the divers would which thanks had Aaron them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you give him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with a diver? And of course, this is where your story and your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this bottle. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue daughter as well so decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who is also an expert cave. Dive up one of only two people in the world. Who has that skill set went in and put the boys to sleep using powerful set? It is cold kit me he also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid name was injected into the boy's leg. He was given an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name zanex that would calm him down walking him down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and stuck to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine. To put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the my kind of hot stuffing things, I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. Each of the boys would have to be revised. So each of the the the British recovery divers, the the dog actually took one boy H and one of the time Dodds amount. Each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of ketamine separate from its NATO and at various stages they have to readmits to that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Nelson. He's boy com. Floor in the water while they were in a part of the tunnel kind of which had no muddy banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold the boy as best he could fumble around with these other hand to get these freeloaded ketamine syringes out and trying readmits to that adds through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't so the site too, much or exaggerate anything. And he said it was a it was a pretty nervous my with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water. And the Dow sun these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

12:59 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on 710 WOR

"Two four nine. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Liam Cochran. His book is called miracle indicate we're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the board an m made in and that detected that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it had dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tire rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in their. So this this is what really made the clock tick, even louder. It was that there was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But and I had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And it's like him again, they probably that was it that. Yes. That would have been. Riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean, the was the cave was kind of wind e in we and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been tree before them. They might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by over diving was done by hand. They felt they were along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be thought of we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the cave. They realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out, and it was still perhaps it could get some oxygen in water could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was caves. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early. And it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was it became known as as I can't three which is where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was worth trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would write a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. Right. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was it Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dodgers, you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that are recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few dollars under your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit, but really strongly and had never been scuba dog. And before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouths. They'd have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as pool service. And they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly odd I think I would stay calm as an adult while while being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything is visibility. And that's the one thing about the scuba diving has a certified scuba diver in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down? Correct. That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning that they did to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these fooled by smart, and they they differ to the typical scuba moss, which are two paces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. Have between your lips? This is a single piece of plastic that goes over yours makes us feel around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the Joel line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the oxygen pumped something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for phenomena, and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder the air cylinder. That would be connected. And to the boy, they will put that in front of him strap it to his front naughty back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid waste on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separated Yati was boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down. I really still breathing and remain that way down by that tank by that lead, wait until he's rescued. I bet could feel his way around and the doctors and try. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. That's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit. By the flow of the water. Are are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours? The water was too strong and most hostile swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to beat way to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking is how would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's the on what you could do on eight hundred two tanks, even three tanks that they were taking in. So each of the divers had three straight three tanks strapped to them, and they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew it. I would be I had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones were full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the divers would know which thanks had Aaron them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you give a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly rescue diver as well. So a decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who is also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. Put the boys to sleep using a powerful. Sedative cold kidding me? He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid of Maine was injected into the boy's leg. He was given a an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name Xanax that would come him down woke him down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris, his lap and talk to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the most kind of hot stuffing things, I think all the rescue and of the sedation process was that the the rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. So each of the boys would have to be reduced. So each of the the the British recovery divers, the the dog is actually took one boy H and one of the time dot out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of kid a main separate from its needle and at various stages they had to readmits to that. And most of the time this was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy what com floor in the water. Well, they in a part of the tunnel tunnel, which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with these other hand to get these reloaded ketamine syringes out and try and reate minister that through the wet suit. And he describes it either very comment. He's a he's a stiff upper lip. British guy he doesn't so the site too, much or exaggerate anything. And he said, it was a it was a pretty nervous my with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the doctor Donald these divers were heroes..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on WTVN

WTVN

12:41 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on WTVN

"Liam Cochran. His book is called miracle indicate we're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. Salim so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts, and and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers brought an m Mehta in and that detected that the that the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tie rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in their. So this this is what really made the clock tick, even louder. It was that there was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But and I had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And it's like him again, they probably that was it that. Yes. That would have been all about we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in. We've and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been SRI before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand they sold their way along the the guidelines, but you're right all the options that they could be thought up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable tube. That was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the caves, they realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the launch time when the boys were found and they pulled that off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some oxygen in water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options, perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white and just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over in the caves. They tried to pump out the water right pumping going on the whole time humping started early, and it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as as a camp three which is where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was with trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would write a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the doctors who had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few dollars under your belt, so these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just I'm thinking that they could have a regulator in their mouths. They'd have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as they will pool service. And they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would stay calm as an adult well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything is visibility. And that's the one thing about the scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If in pitch black water, you don't know if you're going up or down. Correct. That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these fooled by smart, and they they differ to the typical scuba moss, which two pieces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. Have between your lips? This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us seal around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the auction something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the novices. And and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about not knowing which way is up down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected intended to the boy, they would put that in front of him strap it to his front not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver and boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down. I really still breathing and remain that way to down by that tank by that lead. Why until he's rescued I bet could feel his way around and the doctors and try. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. That's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit. By the flow of the water. Are are you saying they had to they had the swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong in most Hans to swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to b. To get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No. I know it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's the on what you could do wanna on eight Hank to tanks, even the three tanks that they would take in. So each of the divers had three straight three tanks strapped to them, and they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew where that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones were full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours, the divers would know which Aaron them and which were empty. Now, the ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today. That these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this bottle. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. The boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold Kimmy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid Maine was injected into the boys leg he was given a an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name zanex that would calm him down that would him down at the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap. And stock the Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the my kind of hot stuffing things, I think all the rescue and of the sedation process was that the the rescue is gonna take it's gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour each of the boys would have to be revised slave. So each of the the the British recovery divers, the the dog is actually to one boy H and one of the time. Each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of ketamine separate from its needle and at various stages. They had to read minister that that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water. Well, in a part of the tunnel kinda which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold the boy as best he could fumble around with his other hand to get these reloaded ketamine syringes out and trying readmits to that through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't say too much or exaggerate anything. And he said it was a it was a pretty nervous. My man with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the doctor..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

10:32 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"KFI AM six forty. More stimulating talk. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with leeann Cochran his book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam, so they're sending food in there are they pumping air in there to do they need that. Or is the Cape got sufficient amount of ear at that time. Did not know that was one of the things that really spit up and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers board an MA in and that that the that the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tie rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time offer that will found would have slowly going to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really made the clock tick. Even louder. It was that there was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been forecast for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out, but they had a bit of a break in the with it too. They they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains with coming again. I think can again, they probably that was it. Yeah. That would have been a lotta we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in weedy, and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obesity inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand, soap, they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be thought up we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad, they contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions. They did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged rocks within the cave. They realized that would never work. They went to the rescue is went to great if to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when Andrew made it into the Weinstein when the boys were found, and they called it off. That was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it would never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some oxygen in water. It could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period. Was to simply Weiss and just survive in there until the monsoon was over in the cave. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early and did not stop huge resources were put into that. And that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was it became known as as can't three just sort of afford uprating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers the beyond that probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in. At some point. They got it under control, and it became a matter of would rent a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They can control it but without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is it's a long difficult dives your visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you're you know, if you had a few under your belt, so these young boys who could swim a bit, but really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth. You'd have a mosque there is they could stay calm as they were pooled service, and they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would have been I would stay calm. Well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up to come. See anything has visibility. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so. And that factored into some of the planning what they did to get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned with these food by small, and they if it's a typical scuba masks, which are two pieces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. You have this is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the Joe line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out. It keeps them pressure in the as the OC. He's something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for novices. And and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated and terms of what you were saying about not knowing which is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder the air cylinder. That would be connected to the boy, they put that in front of him strap it to he's not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid waste on the front is that and the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver and boy became a separate as Yati was boy would seek down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down really still breathing and remain that weighted down by that tank by that live Weiss until he's rescued. I bet could feel his way around and the doctors and try. The kid would panic by that time the kid would have no idea. Well, now that that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving weighting it took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit. By the flow of the water. Are are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours took correct to go from point eight OBT to give out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's beyond what you could do on eight thanks to tanks, even the three tanks. They would taking in each of the divers had three straight three tanks. Struck to them and they positioned spare tanks along the way to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots. There have been sort of marked the new way that would be had a system of mocking the tanks different colors, which ones were full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those types of the tanks would let them up in green or red for for twelve hours the drivers with no which thanks Aaron them, and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours breathed this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue dog as well. So a decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. With the boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold Kimmy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process before the name was injected into the boys league he was given a an anti anxiety drug business by the brand name. That would come him down will come down to the water's edge would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and stuck the Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the kind of hot still think things I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is going to take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an so each of the boys would have to be revised..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on WLAC

WLAC

12:54 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on WLAC

"AC. What? Come back to coast to coast. We are here with Liama. Cochran. His book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers brought an m made it in and that detected that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it had dropped a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the the four rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really? Made the clock tick even louder it was that there was the widow full cost because heavy rains had been costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But and they had a bit of a break in the weather to they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And if they came again, they probably that was it. Probably. Yeah. That would have been all we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean, the was the cave was a kind of wind e in. We've e and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water with stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been through before them. They might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guidelines, but you're right all the options that they could be thought of we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable cube. That was one of the Elon Musk suggestions. They did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks within the cave. They realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few maters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was. So perhaps it could get some water. It could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option from for much of the rescue period. Was to simply white and just trying to survive in there until the monsoon was over in the caves. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early. And it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as a as a camp three which is where I sort of afford up base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was worth trying. As absolutely I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if you would write a bit. What are we go up to an inch? But it would go down pretty soon off. That's right. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was it Liam to say we're gonna put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few guys on the belt for these young boys who could swim a bitch, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouths. They have a mosque over there is they could stay calm as they will pull exerted and they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I I think I would have seen I would've stay calm as an adult. Well, well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything is visibility. And that's the one thing about the scuba diving has I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water, you don't know if you're going up or down. Correct. That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning to get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned these fooled by smart, and they if it's the typical mass which are two pieces of masking to regulate a mouse space you have between your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us seal around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the joy line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the as the air something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the novices. And and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the cylinder. That would be connected and tethered to the boy they put that in front of him strap it to his front not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separated yadi was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave, hopefully, still face down. Hopefully, still breathing and remain there weighted down by that tank by that lead, wait until he's rescued. I bet could feel his way around and the doctors and trial. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. Well, now, that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting it took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point A to b. To get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's beyond what you could do on eight Hank two tanks. Even the three things that they were taking in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spare tanks along the way to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew where that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones were full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snap, and they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks would like them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the drivers would know which thanks Erin them, and which were empty. Now, the ordeal, of course, will be hot. Do you? Get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them. How do you give him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story and your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this volatile. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. The boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold kit me he also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid name was injected into the boy's leg. He was given an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name Xanax that would come him down that would walk him down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and talk to Harry would give an injection into his leg of of Maine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the car. Kind of hot stuffing things I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that. The rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get to camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last about an hour. So each of the boys would have to be reduced life. So each of the the the British recovery divers the dog is actually took one boy H and one of the time out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of kid main separate from its needle and at various stages. They had to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy WorldCom, although we're in the water well were in a part of the tunnel kind of which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with these other hand to get these loaded ketamine syringes out and try and readmits to that through the wet suit. And he describes it either. A very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't sort of state too, much or exaggerate anything. And he said, it was a it was a pretty nervous my with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the Donald these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

13:21 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"FM. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Liam Cochran. His book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam, so they're sending food in there are they pumping air in there to do they need that. Or is the cave got sufficient amount of ear at that time. It did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers board an AMA in and that detected that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If it brought a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tie rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found. Would've slowly gone to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really my the clock tick, even louder. It was that there was the a full cost because heavy rains had been forecasts for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out. But I had a bit of a break in the weather too. They they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains we're coming again. And it's like him again, they probably that was it that. Yeah. That would have been all we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was a kind of wind e in we and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been through before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guideline, but you're right all the options that they could be thought up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable tube. That was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, they did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks within the along caves, they realized that would never work. They went to the rescue is went to great if it's to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few maters into the launch time when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some octogenarians water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just trying to survive in there until the monsoon. I've ran the caves they tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early. And it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was night became known as as a can't three which is where afford operating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was worth trying as you're absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in. Yeah. At some point they got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, if it would rain a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They did control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now who's idea wasn't Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dodgers who had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is. I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that are recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you you know, if you had a few onto your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth. They have a mosque there is they could stay calm as they will pull exerted and they've never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly odd, I think I would have been I would have stay calm as an adult. Well, well being dragged through that terrifying situation not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything is visibility. And that's the one thing about scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so. And that factored into some of the planning that they did to get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned with these fooled by smart, and they if it's the typical scuba mask, which are two paces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. You have between your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face and the full head down the side of the face around the Joe line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in as the as the actually. Yeah. Something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for the novices. And and certainly for these voice who guide to be sedated. And in terms of what you were just saying about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder decide the air cylinder. That would be connected. And to the boy, they will put that in front of him strap it to his front not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave, hopefully, still face down. Hopefully, still breathing and remain that way to down by that tank by that laid waste until he's rescued. I bet could feel way around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by that time. Well, the kid would have no idea. That's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point a to b. To get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. Now, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as a diver, you would know that that's that's beyond what you could do on eight Hank two tanks, even the three tanks that they would take in. So each of the divers had three three tanks strapped to them. And they positioned spare tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew it that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones were full and empty at some points in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks that would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the drivers would know which thanks had Aaron them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking or going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this of auto. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue diver as well. So decision was made at the time. Very secretly for a stray leeann anesthesiologist who is also an expert cave. Dive up one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and put the boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold kit me he also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the ketamine was injected into the boy's leg. He was given an anti anxiety drug a business by the brand name zanex that would calm him down would welcome down to the water's edge. Boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris lap and stuff to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine. To put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that well he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pulled these kids through for five hours, and they were knocked out? They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the most kind of hot stopping things, I think also also the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue is gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving diving pot of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. Each of the boys would have to be revised. So each of the the the British recovery divers the dog is actually to one boy H and one of the time out. Each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of kit, a main separate from its needle and at various stages they had to readmits to that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up and there were other dive instructors had volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Melanson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water. Well, a part of the tunnel kind of which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with his other hand to get these preloaded ketamine syringes out and try and read minister that got through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't say too much or exaggerate anything. And he said it was a it was a pretty nervous. My with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water and the tunnel. These divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there are certain breed. People who go cave diving for fun, generally has a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their life. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out.

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

KLBJ 590AM

13:15 min | 2 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

"Four nine. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with Lima. Cochran. His book it's called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. Salim so they're sending food in there. Do are they pumping air in there to do they need that? Or is the cave got a sufficient amount of ear at that time. Did not know that was one of the things that really spit up the efforts, and and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers board and m made it in and that to take that the the the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting toward a dangerous levels. If it had a few more percentage points the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide what is tipped over and the team and the poor tire. Rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time after they were found would have slowly gone to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really my the clock ticking, even louder it was that there was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been full costs for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out, but they had a bit of a break in the weather too. Like they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains coming again. And if they came again, they probably that was it that. Yes. That would. We were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in we v and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black Oviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been through before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by over diving was done by hand they felt their way along the the guidelines. But you're right all the options that they could be thought of we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad. They contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoob that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions, but he's actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as had spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged some of the rocks are within the coming along as they realized that would never work. They went to great the rescue is went to great efforts to try to drill an access hole using industrial Burling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when and drilled a few meters into the limestone when the boys were found, and they called it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out. There was still Habsi could get some oxygen and water. It could be a a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options perhaps the fight much favorable option. So much of the rescue period was to simply white. And just survive in there until the monsoon was over in the cave rained. So they tried to pump out the water right pumping was going on the whole time coming started early, and it did not stop huge resources were put into that. And and that's certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was it became known as as a can't three which is sort of afford operating base was set up for the the rescuers and the divers beyond that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and asserts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was worth trying as sure absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in at some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of would rain a bit. What are we get up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They didn't control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was. Probably well worth it. Certainly now who's idea wasn't Liam to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the divers who had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is I it's it's a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that are recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you know if you had a few on your belt for these young boys who could swim a bit. Not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouths. They'd have a mosque there is I could stay calm as I pool service, and they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would stay calm at an adult bang dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up. You can't see anything visibility. And that's the one thing about scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning they did to get the boys out. So the the first thing as you mentioned with these food by small and they differ to the the typical scuba mask, which are two paces a mask and a and a regulator mouthy. So you have on your lips. This is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the Joe Alon and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out. It keeps them pressuring the as the air is pumped in from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option. So if the novices, and then certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated. And in terms of what you were saying about about nine which way is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen cylinder. That would be connected intended to the boys. They put that in front of him strap it to his funds not exac as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid white on the front of that. And the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver, and the boy became a separate as Yati was the boy would sink down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down really still breathing and remained there weighted down by that tank by that led Weiss until he's rescued. I bet could Phillies lay around in the darkness and try. The kid would panic by that sign. The kid would have no idea. Well, now, that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving whiting it took about six hours to get in and about five hours to get out help a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most Hans to swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours took correct to go from point A to be to get out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a better of a half hour or something like that. Now, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as a doctor, you would know that that's that's beyond what. You could do on eight Hank two tanks, even the three tanks that they were taking in each of the divers had three straight three tanks strapped to them and they positioned spirit tanks along the way to to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots that had been sort of marked that they knew that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones were full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those attached to the tanks that would let them up in green Allred for for twelve hours. So the divers would which thanks Aaron them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys with something that was absolutely necessary for this level. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken out. They would have panic along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue daughter as well so decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. The boys to sleep using a powerful. It cold kidding me. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the kid Maine was injected into the boy's leg. He was given an antianxiety drug a bit nine by the brand name zanex that would calm him down. We'll come down to the water's edge. The boy would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and stuck to Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the my kind of hot stopping things, I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the the rescue was gonna take ours is gonna take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of where all the diving the diving pot of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an hour. Each of the boys would have to be revised. So each of the the the British recovery divers that the dog is actually took one boy H and one of the time dotcom out each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of kid a main separate from its needle and at various stages they have to re administer that that most of the time. This was done at various stations that were set up and there were other dive instructors in volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Nelson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water. Well, learn a part of the tunnel of which had no money banks on the side. So he was forced to just hold. The boy is best. He could fumble around with his other hand to get these freeloaded ketamine syringes out and find readmits to that got through the wet suit. And he describes it either very calm, man. He's a he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't to the site too, much or exaggerate anything. He said it was a it was a pretty notice my with syringes and wrap is floating around in the water. And the Dow Donald these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there. There are certain breed people who've got cave diving for fun. Generally has a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their life..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on Perspective

Perspective

05:05 min | 3 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on Perspective

"Welcome back to perspective. I'm Sherry Preston in mid July. The impossible happen. Twelve boys and their soccer coach were rescued from cave after they had been trapped by floodwaters for two and a half weeks. Now, we're hearing the stories of rescues from the divers who risked it all miss split-second decisions that saved thirteen lives ABC's met gut men has more a drew shoot soaked melt northern Thailand in the deep down dark majestic, death Trump after nine days of guests Brit searching the mission members of this boy soccer team, and their coach are found Barack you Asli alive. Her. Your bert. Absolute elation, followed very quickly with wait a second. Now we've got get these kids out the heart rate, chic- tales. We didn't know about the rescue until now directly from the divers carry it out. The divers who find the boys, John philanthropy, Rick Stanton and fellow divers Jason Melanson, and Chris jewel belong to an elite British cave. Diving team with unique rescue skills in Thailand. These volunteers working without pay come to be known as the also foursome. I'd never had to think for second about whether I would go. I think it's human nature tonight. He got going to Betsy Khushi will. What stands between the boys and the daylight? They haven't seen in two weeks is about a mile and a half underground obstacle course of rocky chambers have flooded canals and fully submerged sections. The longest. Those is three hundred and fifty meters the length of seven Olympic swimming pools and it's filled with water. So money. It's like swimming and coughing. Those new to get him out, whether we could get out alive on. A US air force search and rescue team headed up by major, Charles Hodge's Master Sergeant Derek Anderson joins the effort. What was the probability of success? So when I was asked that question by the governor, what I told him as I think we can probably realistically save sixty to seventy percent of the kids. I expect anywhere from three to five to die in this operator on an enormous cache of extra air canisters is already in place and support. Divers are deployed in the chambers throughout the cave. But the tip of his spear is that elite force of British divers when the Brits reach that far away cavern they find the boys shockingly called choosing who is first in line is actually no small decision. That boy will be sort of human Guinea pig in a first of its kind rescue, and it falls to Melanson to shepherd the boy out safely volunteer volunteer to take the. I out I'm not going to hang around in the back and used it from, so just limited. Already wearing a wet suit. The child walks down a steep slope into the water. Now it's time for an absolutely critical step agree to in advance. By the time government, the boy is injected with a common the you said it if called ketamine by Australian diver, Dr. Richard Harris, anesthesiologist and Melanson reveals the shot is not just to relax the boy. It's to knock him out cold soon. That first boy is out cold and a face mask is strapped tightly on him. A single leak could be potentially fatal hours not fully confident of in the mouth line, but mallet sin is not one for turning back. He enters the cold, murky water with the boy for that daunting. I dive stage remember it's three hundred, fifty meters long, three and a half football fields or follows. Next is a sort of choreographed underwater ballet with one hand Melanson has to. Hold onto the guideline that stretches to the cave entrance. While the other hand is holding tight that strap on the boys fest as he floats face down after about twenty painstaking, agonizing minutes Melanson successfully completes the first time stage waiting for him are to support divers who help him get the unconscious boy out of the water. We realize that yes, the mass worked. The trick worked after that a new. There's a chance with them all out, but he and to support divers have to physically carry the child to the next dive point, then swim across deep canals with rushing water after what seemed like intern ity balancing emerges from the darkness with that first child in toe, he's then loaded onto a stretcher for the remaining half mile extraction by nighfall the next day for more voice trade the darkness of the cave for starlit night after pulling the soccer coach through the most dangerous part of the caves flooded section Malan and off to another diver..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on 20/20

20/20

04:36 min | 3 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on 20/20

"Storm clouds gather at doing unknown mountain, rescue team, anxiously awaits approval for its daring plan to get that Trump soccer team out of those nearly impenetrable tunnels. Had you waited one more day, what do you think about it? If they. One more day. I think that will be really difficult for us because ladies. Agonizing hours pass. Are they gonna break down today, Big Ben. Finally, the word comes down from the type prime minister himself. West q. mission is go. It's about six PM at night which thankfully that was when we finished up with all of our phase one operations. We were ready to go at that point. What was your reaction when you finally understood that this is happening relief that we could get on with it, but also nervousness that we would actually have to do it. Today is d day we are one hundred percent security of told us that these are for the first voice to be rescued from that cave. You're seeing more and more personal writing. Now the waiting getaway to Sutton furious action. The media is moved away and green Kirk is put up to block the cave entrance as a parade of divers is seen going in. It enormous cache of extra air canisters is already in place and support. Divers are deployed in the chambers throughout the cave. But the tip of the spear is that elite force of British diamonds, each of tasked with bringing out one boy at a time. It was one diver, one boy house. That's a tremendous amount of responsibility, very much. But when the Brits reach that far away cavern where the team is trapped, they find the boys themselves are shockingly com sinning, the terrifying ordeal they're facing. There was no sign distress and no hint of of a problem, extremely confident, brave, brave Yanlin. In fact, the tight Dr inside the Cape with the wild boars says they decide on their own. What order they're going to go out and been gone for home did was decision made by all the boys because their physical and mental condition was about the same new guy. Boys who live farther. From the cave went first because they thought they had bicycle home to tell their parents. The news. Of course, those parents had never left the cave since the ordeal began. But choosing who is first in line is actually no small decision. That boy will be sort of human Guinea pig in a first of its kind rescue, and it falls to Melanson to shepherd the boy out safely. How do you pull the short straw taken the first kid out phone to volunteer to take the first out. I'm not going to hang around in the back of the firm, so just pull him Ted. Already wearing a wet suit. The child walks down a steep slope into the water. Now it's time for an absolutely critical step agree to in advance. By the time government. The boy is injected with a common. The use sedative called ketamine by Australian diver, Dr Richard Harris, and these Yala gist, and now it's in reveals the shot is not just to relax the boy. It's ten not come out, cold calving twitching around, you know, when the stop move in Rams moving around this potential for them to kill themselves. There was potential for them to kills. It was much for me to sit in on. Keep him on the show is basically an ultimatum from the British divers that they're not going to do this operation unless those kids are sedated. They absolutely made that a red line like, yeah, I, if if we're going to try this and if it's going to be successful, like the kids need to be sedated after receiving that jecklin. The first boy is out cold and ready for the next step of the rescue. You just like you news training sessions that full face mask is strapped tightly on a single leak could be potentially fatal. The child is now fully prepped and ready to go at the veteran diver is still assailed with doubt. I was confident of, you know to one of those kids on dive the mile hours, not fully confident of getting them out line. Why was that? Because we didn't know for style, they were going to react to them the wall to whether the droop that we've given them with this officiant k. them on there for the flooded section. But mallet sin is not one for turning back. He enters the cold, murky water with the point for that daunting..

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"dr richard harris" Discussed on Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine

Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine

04:36 min | 3 years ago

"dr richard harris" Discussed on Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine

"Hello everybody and welcome to saw jones merrill tour of misguided medicine i'm your co host justin mcelroy and i'm sitting right breath in between the middle of the insure that they were happening he okay i am okay on having as its the anxiety is bad today but to leave town for like two weeks i'm film very like stress out right now i'm a hard time with the second week is far beach week i know that will be nice but i still feeling kind of stressed out about i'm sorry it's just being away from home this is where i thrive this is why grow this is where the deals get done here in in in the house i'm into ask you side the house right i'm going to ask you before we started recording but did you pull up the nest came of our daughter yes i got i got the charlie show our sorry cooper show is pulled up here okay enjoying it immensely it's a condo episode she's just sleeping so and tim black and white which i stylistically is not my favorite so we'd like to do at least for the duration of this episode well what is it about justin maybe this maybe this will be good for your anxiety right now usually when we cover i feel like when we cover current events or topics that are relative to things that are happening today it's usually bad i don't know if that says a lot about a lot of the current events that are happening these days little bit everything since since we're talking there since we cover a lot of misguided medicine if we're talking about current events than naturally it would be somewhat disconcerting well this is a current event that i thought would lend itself to kind of a more positive story a more a happier story have did you hear about the the soccer team in thailand that gus stuck in the cave wilson that i'm assuming you're speaking rhetorically that was a very difficult story to miss a lot of chatter about that on the on web i never know sometimes you go twitter dark for a while and i don't know what's happening in yes periodically yes as many people have heard that there was a group of twelve yes kids in thailand who were they were out with their coach exploring like some caves and then they're flooding happened and they got trapped in these caves and as you already know they're already they're out they're out rescued yeah that's why this is a good story good but a lot of a lot of what people started talking about as they were trying to figure out how to rescue this team was the logistics of diving and the dangers of cave diving one of the people who went in and actually helped assist with the rescue was a doctor who happened to be are you friend know for near all doctors don't know each other an australian doctor who happened to be there on vacation dr richard harris was an came because he's also a diving expert and so when asiya diving expert need winton and assisted and says like australian as gis diving expert i know everything i need to know about him i feel like i've written his entire biography my head looks great really super handsome right yeah of course i hate this guy how many kids your eight this guy he's a good guy away a lot of a lot of people worked really hard to use their particular skills to get these kids out and and the coach and and it's really kind of i mean it's it's a wonderful story because do you know how hard that is i mean i think i took a course in diving when i was in college and the most diving i did was in the swimming pool in the gym at at our college yeah and as you remember you taking that guess and i found it very scary at the bottom of the pool the the physics and the medicine and the science that goes into this it's really incredible and so i thought a little bit about where diving and medicine intersect and in the history of hyperbaric medicine i thought would be a good topic for a show and relates to this now as we love science i know that this topic you were mentioning frustratingly to me last night does crossover into a different class of science of physics and you weren't you are necessarily thrilled about it i am a biologist and.

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