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How's Your Mental Health? Self-Care and Support Resources

Let's Talk Addiction & Recovery

10:07 min | 9 months ago

How's Your Mental Health? Self-Care and Support Resources

"Welcome to another interview in this series of. Let's talk podcasts. Brought to you by the hazelton. Betty ford foundation. I'm your host. William c moyers and each podcast. I sit down with an expert to discuss the issues. That are at the essence of hazelden betty. Ford's mission for prevention of substance use and cutting edge research treatment recovery support and how technology is increasingly become a force of hope and help and healing for people families and their communities in the battle to overcome addiction. We are recording this podcast in the midst of the pandemic of corona virus and this requires us to take precautions here in the studio that means that our guest dr princess drake and i are in separate rooms but our focus is the same today mental health awareness in the workplace in the midst of a crisis. Dr drake is a mental health practitioner at hazel in betty ford and serves as an adjunct professor at the hazelton betty ford graduate school of addiction studies among her many other academic and professional accomplishments. She has her doctorate in clinical psychology at florida. School of professional psychology. She earned it in twenty eighteen. Welcome dr drake for being here and tell us about a little bit about your passion for working in the field of addiction treatment so much of what we do as a mental health practitioner training. A generalist sense. We're able to work with every population. But what i love about working with addiction specifically is the people i have found the most genuine people to work with that are suffering in a way that most people don't understand and so when i'm able to see a patient transform from the day they come in for detox until they leave with a smile it makes it all that much more enjoyable to keep doing. Thank you for what you're doing. We're here to talk of course about mental health awareness in the midst of the crisis. Whatever the crisis is but certainly the pandemic and that mental health awareness in the workplace. Why is it important that we focused on mental health awareness in the workplace. Yes so much of what we do. Ask practitioners we serve other people but often times at the expense of ourselves. And so what. I've noticed working during this period of time where i haven't had a day off unless i was already scheduled that a lot of the practitioners are stressed out themselves and so we're constantly trying to give all of ourselves to our patients but we often neglect our own self care. And so it's been my priority. When i talked to clinicians to not only tell him how i appreciate what they're doing that they continuously come to work to provide that care but also that. What are they doing to help themselves. So you're having that conversation with the clinicians but shouldn't the rest of us who are in the workplace. Also have that conversation absolutely so much of what we do whether you are clinician whether you're in housekeeping whether you're serving food everyone is important and during this time where everyone's lives are changing personally. It's even more important that people recognize it what they can do for themselves whether that's a day off taking time with their children or most of all sometimes we just need time to ourselves. She'll have a colleague who wants to convey precisely what you just talked about to another colleague. Okay just to approach that person and have that conversation. One thing that i love about working for hazelton is a lot of times. They're approaching us and it's this open conversation that we're having because that relationship is already been built and so it's how're you doing. And we know that it goes beyond just saying ok or fine or i making it but they really tell you how they're doing and then you offer your help but anyway. Is there anything i can do to help you. In that way though i may not have any power to let someone have a day off we may talk about just different self care techniques that they can use what are some of those self care techniques one of the things it always tell people i i like to practice what i preach and so oftentimes. It's you know planning time for yourself whether that's you doing your hair or nails or watching a movie listening to music. Drawing reading whatever helps that person come back to a state of con- them selves as what they can use self care doesn't have to be this big thing or big ordeal. Oftentimes we think about self care this all. It has to be for an hour if it only takes five minutes to do a meditation or prayer. Or what have you. That's all sometimes that we need so in these times we've got the pandemic of virus and it's been with this now for about four months here in the united states and it's been with us he's on betty ford in terms of our awareness and the actions that we're taking during that same period of time we've had the civic and racial strife that's occurred on the streets of our country and you and i are in minnesota. This is really where a lot of the started. Of course as we know of late we've got the economic downturn and even we've had it hazelton betty ford the need to take some actions you know in terms of watching our our expenses and so on that's included furloughs. This is a this is a unique time. isn't it yeah it is because we're we're saying it a hit from every single front not just at work As a personal color myself it has been extremely stressful when it comes to managing my own frustration or agitation. With what's going on but also being an advocate for change and so oftentimes that takes me to be uncomfortable to talk about these things whether in the workplace or at home I'm very fortunate enough to work for a team where we've been very transparent about what we're going through and being able to help each other so that we can be effective. Our patients thank you so much for bringing it up. I agree with you. hazel betty. Ford has been good On on recognizing these these unique dynamics and and and and communicating it and making sure everybody's inclusive we're hazel and before we get a lot of people watch these podcasts. Have nothing to do with our organization they just want to glean the wealth of information. That people like you have. What would you tell an organization or company a for profit or not for profit. How can they better and spill the dynamics of healthy mental health into their workplace as a great question. One of the things. I would probably tell. Them is making sure that they have available services for their employees such as e. ap and if someone doesn't feel comfortable using eap ap being aware of the mental health services that in their direct community Secondly i would offer up that person to recognize to be transparent Sending out a message letting them know that they recognize that their employees staff or faculty may be having a difficult time right now and offer their support in any way that they can whether that's a day off or having someone assistant in terms of their day to day activities Thirdly i would also encourage that specific organization to continue to advocate olive for their employees but what they do provide in terms of services. Thank you on. A personal note are getting closer to home. What is it that you find you specifically find most rewarding in regards to working with people co-occuring disorders. What i find to be the most rewarding is recognizing that is just not about addiction is just not about mental health. It's both and recognizing that they play off of each other more times than we often think we know this typically. You're more likely to see someone having both mental health and substance use and so when you tackle both of those hours. You're getting a double for your trouble in a way of because you're increasing your probability of staying sober and so why not take care of. The mental health concerns that a person may have whether it's a true mental health disorder or just additional stress on that note. I want i probably should have asked this. I but what did you see going forward given everything that's happened in the country and continues to happen. What are you see in terms of demand or the need for substance use services and mental health services not just that hazel and buddy forbidden in the larger community and in the larger country. I know that i was recently watching the news and they talk about this. Mental health pandemic. That's going to occur after cove it or even during and so recognizing that you're gonna get a wave of individuals who are either have not seek treatment during this time because of needing to isolate or quarantine but also recognizing that their caregivers are also gonna need that assistance and so we're -ticipant that there's going to be a wave of individuals who've either never sought treatment before or seeking treatment again because we have people who have returned to us just because of the current stress as being prepared for that and on that note before we close some people will be tuning in might be looking for help they might be looking for a wise word from you or some avenue of opportunity to to take that first step or that first step again. What is the message. You have and closing for people who are struggling whether they're in the workplace or not that it's okay to not be okay and often tell people even therapists neath therapist and that's true today and that'll be true going forward absolutely dr princess. Drake thank you so much for bringing your passion your expertise and your ability to communicate so effectively to our audience today. We been great to have you as part of our. Let's talk podcasts. Thank you so much for having me your welcome. Thanks all of you for tuning in sure to keep coming back for more on our series of. Let's talk podcasts. On behalf of our executive producer. Lisa stangl and all of us. And he's please stay safe. Stay healthy in these times and always.

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131. Narratives in Cardiology: Health Equity, Community Based Participatory Research, & Underrepresented Minority Women Physician-Scientists with Dr. LaPrincess Brewer

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48:42 min | Last month

131. Narratives in Cardiology: Health Equity, Community Based Participatory Research, & Underrepresented Minority Women Physician-Scientists with Dr. LaPrincess Brewer

"Worldwide cardiovascular disease affects the lives of hundreds of millions dedicated cardio nerds everywhere are working hard to fight this global epidemic. These are their stories. Hey cardi nerds. Health inequity refers to avoidable differences in health between different groups of people in this powerful installment of the heart. Eaters narratives and cardiology series. We learn from dr la princesse brewer and opera neuro a hanes how we can convert health inequity to health equity by partnering and empowering and building bridges with members from the community. The patients themselves using community based participatory research. We learn about impactful programs that they have developed and lead with incredible success and we also discuss their perspectives as underrepresented minority women physician scientists as coined by albert. We'd like to offer a special. Thanks to dr sharon hayes endocrine michelle for being keyed mentors for the narratives series and especially for making this episode. Possible this incredible discussion is brought to you. In collaboration with the association of black cardiologists the abc's mission is to promote the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease including stroke in blacks and other diverse populations and to achieve health equity for all through the elimination of disparities. You may join and support. Abc at ab a ardito dot. Org friends we thank you for subscribing to and the carter's this podcast is not meant to be used for medical advice. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of art. Employers speaker disclosures are available in the episode description. There no commercial or in kind support for this activity be showed a claim credit using the link of the episode description. We are so honored to welcome back. Dr carissa hanes one of our narratives fit advisers and to be welcoming for the very first time and hopefully not the last time dr princess poor in absolute leader and visionary when it comes to tackling disparities in the care of minority communities. I have the privilege in pleasure of introducing nurse. A hanes who's currently a third year cardi algae fellow at the university of pennsylvania. Her interests include global cardiovascular health. She has spent several years working for i. In haiti community engagement. Community based participatory research and implementation science. She is currently obtaining a master of science in health policy. She also serves as a fellow representative to the board of abc while a fellow she cofounded initiative entitled safe haircuts as we reopened philadelphia. Barbara end salons sharp which focuses on helping local predominantly black owned businesses. Stay safe during covid. Nineteen through infection mitigation education donations and cove nineteen vaccine education and mental health support. Nerissa welcome welcome to the show. Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be back and thank you for the fantastic introduction. I'm really excited for this episode. End to talk to dr brewer. Sure that excitement orissa and for what's bound to be a very special discussion. We decided to invite a very special person to actually introduce dr bernard. This person has dedicated herself to the care of women to tackling healthcare inequities. She's an advocate. For professional diversity in devoted mentor to so many dr sharon hayes fittingly is also very devoted mentor to docker poor as well as us cardiac so here is dr hayes. Introducing dr poor. Hello i'm doctor sharon hayes. I'm a non invasive cardiologist at mayo clinic in rochester minnesota. And i am thrilled to tell you a bit more about your guest today dr leprince. Brewer is a trusted and valued colleague and friend a gifted researcher and a woman of faith by day. She is a cardiologist and assistant professor in the department of cardiovascular medicine at mayo clinic in rochester minnesota. She is the first african american woman to join our staff she is also a rockstar in in the next couple of minutes. I will tell you why. I i met dr brewer when she was deciding where she would do cardiology fellowship. She had had some experience mayo clinic as a student so she knew a bit about the organization but she truly had many options in front of her. The minute i met her. I knew that she really needed to come to mayo clinic to train for many reasons but selfishly because i wanted to work with her and she did join us in twenty twelve for her clinical fellowships in cardiology and then an additional year specializing in preventive cardiology originally from north carolina. Prior to coming to mayo. Dr barua received her bachelor of science magna cum laude in chemical engineering from howard university. Then she got her. M p h from the johns hopkins bloomberg school of public health. She also spent time at the age as a post bac research training and got her. Md at the george washington university school of medicine. She completed internal medicine residency training at johns hopkins university. Where she was mentored. By dr lisa cooper and others who spurred and supported her interest in community based participatory research and baltimore flash forward to arrival in frigid town. Minnesota both the culture and climate shock from day. One at mayo. Dr brewer has focused laser lake in her research. Activities on addressing health disparities through community based behavioral interventions and for cardiovascular disease risk factor modification and racial and ethnic minority populations and in particular african americans from early in her fellowship when she started building relationships with local community in black churches to today in the middle of pandemic her charlie every clinical effort and research crushing has voted to improving the care and outcomes of those who have often been forgotten. I've been so privileged to be a small part of dr bruce career so far. She is currently principal investigator of the nih funded faith trial. Fostering african american improvement in total health. Cardiovascular health promotion intervention in partnership with african american churches. I've learned so much. With and from dr brewer. We have worked together and sharing heart. Health messages and church. Basements participated in readdress and red tyson days and work with pastors and their first lady's on a common goal to improve their health of their congregations. I watched her navigate. The ins and outs of it. An app development driving innovative research practices at mayo clinic and exploring licensing and funding sources. It has been both joy and privilege watching her shepherd the development of a culturally tailored personalized app for cardiovascular health. It has the strength of both the science and the people for whom it was intended behind it. This work has truly paid off for those engaged with dr brewer. Her foundational work in the community build trust and provided insights that preceded the covid nineteen pandemic so in these same communities face widespread misinformation woefully insufficient p p. and no access to covid nineteen testing. She jumped in to address. The highest felt needs including the development of disaster planning protocols for the churches and bringing quick turnaround covid nineteen testing facilities to the most affected and often forgotten neighborhoods through her work. She has become a nationally recognized expert and his highly sought after for advisory boards and speaking engagements and while it would take too long to list all of the awards in recognition. She's received just google for. I'll mention a few recent ones. She was twenty nineteen minnesota public radio news change maker and a twenty twenty history maker at home for the city of minneapolis and twenty twenty. She was also recognized by the national medical association. As top healthcare professional forty her community health advocacy efforts have also been featured on both local and national media including essence. Cbs pbs cnn. And the huffington post. She's an active member of the national medical association. Minnesota association of black physicians american heart association and the association of black cardiologists. And she's a fellow of the american college of cardiology and the american society of preventive cardiology. She serves on committees and advisory boards for these organizations. She gives back in many ways including becoming a dedicated mentor of junior scholars and community members and in ensuring the voices of community are heard. This means that you will see many community names next to hers. In publications as co presenters and at with her at meetings to present her science doctoral apprentice brewer has taught me much and i have been so honored and blessed to be a part of her personal and professional journey. I would be remiss if i didn't acknowledge our mutual love of small dogs. Her highly photogenic adorable. Yorkshire terrier gizmo is truly a bright spot with that i will turn it over to the cardio nerds and dr brewer. So with that doctor. Poor we are so honored to finally have you on the show and show these moments with us. Welcome thank you. i'm tearing up over here. Hearing my beloved mentor. dr hayes. Speak about our journey together. Every since i was a student all the way to now so that was fantastic. And i'm so honored and i'm just so excited and honored to have been invited today included in this wonderful initiative. So thank you for having me. Well thank you so much. And i would like for us to get started. Would you mind describing for us. What faith is and why faith was needed of course so faith is an acronym so every good cardiovascular researcher has to have an acronym for their studies actually stands for bostering african american improvement in total health and cardiovascular health and wellness program to promote cardiovascular al among racial and ethnic minority groups through innovative community based behavioral interventions. And we use a community based participatory research or are referred to from hereafter see b. pr approach to develop genuine relationships with organizations serving marginalized and socially economically disadvantaged populations in we currently have partnerships with african american churches and community health centers in rochester as well as the twin cities metro area. We have over a decade of collaborations with the african american community and track record for improving their health and just for our listeners. Cpr is a form of community engaged. Research in which community members are involved throughout the research office from conception of the research question intervention designed to actual implementation and dissemination of the findings. And i love. Cpr it really emerged. In light of the recognition that our traditional research approaches have just failed to resolve the health disparities among vulnerable populations. And just listening to my community members. They've also expressed discontentment that you know. The knowledge gained from research is not directly of benefit to them in all times. They feel exploited or us so cpr. Pr can serve as a bridge if you will to fill this gap in it also embodies team science. Because everyone's at the table working towards a collective i can give you a little bit of background about faith. It does have roots in baltimore maryland. Where i did my doctor. He's mentioned so. I'm going to start it with a class project during public. Health studies at johns hopkins and we were charged as classmates to develop a potentially sustainable community base intervention address health disparities in the surrounding community in baltimore maryland in east baltimore which is predominantly african american and as a group we felt at partnering with a trusted institutions within this community would be essential so we decided to partner with none other than the black art. We aren't with the church. That was actually just a stone's throw away from johns hopkins and you could actually see the hopkins medicines. I and interestingly no entity from hopkins had ever partner with this church on any sort of health related programming so we were right on time. The the church pastor in a welcomed us really with open arms. He was eager to develop his health ministry and he was fairly new at the church. And we co-developed attrition education program with the church pastor in auxiliary leaders to meet the needs of the congregation and i maintained a relationship with this church round my residency at hopkins unfortunately was accepted into cardiology fellowship at mayo clinic through the help and guidance of actress sharon hayes and before i let baltimore. The church. members pleaded with me and not let go of faith is that it really had an impact on the culture of the church in really cared. This with me as i transitioned here to the time Rochester minnesota in twenty thirteen endure my second year of cardiology fellowship. I was fortunate to have support from our ship directors in the department mayo clinic to then bring faith year to rochester so in all there but that's just kind of the background of where fade started. And how it got to rochester minnesota. That is very impressive. Documentary and at somebody at hopkins. Now i know that there is a real emphasis on community engagement so you may have started something or reinforce something that there needs to be worked on and actually i've had the opportunity to be on to community phone calls at of how i talk to the local neighbourhood about. What's going on kobe in the hospital out of hospital and it's a really refreshing relationship so thanks for bringing that up and it's unbelievable to imagine that you started faith as a fellow. What exactly motivated you on a personal level to start faith in the first place. Some have always had a passion for eliminating health disparities in. I've always enjoyed wade developing solutions to complex problems. And i really think the stems from my engineering background. It was one of the reasons that went into cardiology of the such. A fascinating. Feel with so many different arenas to bring your expertise that it's constantly evolving so through my public health training i was able to learn evidence based in supportive strategies to tackle health disparities and then i took those schools that i learned to apply them to develop as in another. Why if you will is to wanted to continue this. In minnesota after transitioning from maryland is. Because there's this common misconception here minnesota and really across the nation that minnesotans here are just healthiest as can be and you know. Minnesota has really been consistently designated as one of our nation's healthiest states. But when you dive. Deeper into the data in look at the differences lacks in. Minnesota are really worse off their two times more likely to die from cardiovascular disease than whites and they're less likely to have their hypertension under control. You know as we know that will place them at even greater risk or cardiovascular disease. So that's what motivated me to start and to keep faith going. I really appreciate you highlighting that doctor. Because i remember when i was growing up as a medical student and thinking about the kind of impact. I wanted to have where i wanted train. I always had this notion in my mind you know. The the areas of need are the areas that are urban. But really there's need everywhere you have to look and oftentimes not too far. I imagine orissa you found need all around you as well because i noticed some perils between faith and the incredible work that you're doing with the community engagement out of barber shops and salons over there in philadelphia. So tell me how you get involved with that. And what was your role. Sure i have always been interested in community. Engagement and listening. To dr brewers speak. I think you're right. There are a lot of parallels. I also enjoyed tackling complex issues for which solution usually involves teamwork and i participated in a few community facing initiatives. While i was in college in once at penn creek. Ovid i was involved in ece. May and they ran a program entitled cut hypertension and through Hypertension of the medical students would go into local barber shops and screen clients for hypertension. And i started working with the medical. Students says a cardiology fellow to improve screening and eventually met a medical student who would become the co founder of sharp with me. I specifically got to know a number of the barber's of very well and one barber shop owner in particular pre pandemic. His name is darrell. Thomas and he owns philly cuts in west philadelphia used to host town halls in his shop. That i would attend frequently and i greatly enjoy learning the history of west philadelphia in the needs of the community through those interactions. That is actually fascinating. Also really really inspiring orissa. Your work community clearly had a large impact on you. Why was working specifically in barber shops and salons so important to you well. Barbara shaw since salons are among the first generation of black businesses they bring financial vitality to their communities. They are more than just places where people go to get their hairstyle cut but they also service places where people socialize fellowship share information and educate one another and like the church. They are trusted entities in the community barbers in stylists have very personal relationship with their clients and they know the community very well and two parallel that after hearing some of the development that dr bruce did with faith through my own work in the community. I'm very interested in implementation science but the devil is always in the details. But what you've been able to accomplish with faith is truly extraordinary logistically. How did you establish maintain faith as a busy cardiologists awesome question. And i'm sitting here. Why be my forehead right now. You know no simple and easy be community based work is time intensive and it really takes a sincere and dedicated movement. I must say that my community partners and the communities. I've had the blessing to serve really motivate me to continue to do this work especially when it gets tough and challenging. It's not always butterflies rainbows. It's an absolute honor in privilege to work alongside amazing community partners in and just seeing how much they care about. The health and wellness of their communities is inspiring. They're truly brilliant insight fall in. They always have my back when it's really beautiful. Just looking back over the years just to see how our relationship has blossomed and oftentimes. I'll say you know what. I'm giving a talk that we did this and we did that. When discussing our work with eighth we include my community partners and dr hayes also brilliantly stated this that we were together in basements of churches developing these relationships that really grew into something much larger a really takes that investment of time and one of my colleagues consistently states that right in the middle of the work community. Is you in. I saw that totally brings home the point that you cannot do comedian gauge research alone. Thanks so much for that. And we can really appreciate the power of weei when the collective gets together and leaves the walls of whatever institution there and just beaches after their neighbors in there so much that could be accomplished. When there's that collaboration in speaking of extraordinary can you tell us a little bit more about sharp. What is sharp. How did it get started. In what needs did you hope to address surest so sharp which against stanford saint haircuts as we reopened philadelphia. Barbershops salons started after darrell thomas. The owner fully cuts which out to crystal hill of the co founder of sharp in myself and he had very specific questions about how he could keep his business cease during the pandemic and from that conversation we started to help darryl as well as a number of other businesses in the community implement proper covid nineteen safety practices in to keep themselves their businesses clients and staff safe from Quickly built a team that included students trainees faculty as well as infectious disease specialists and together we were able to create a safety blueprint for the shops. That met the see health department of philadelphia guidelines. You're also able to receive personal protective equipment. Donations from the university of pennsylvania and accenture the healthcare consulting company and in total we donated thousands of ppe items to over thirty businesses in the south west and west philadelphia area and another important thing to mention. Is that since the beginning of the pandemic forty percents minority owned small businesses have been closed. We also know that these communities have been disproportionately impacted by covid nineteen. So in the words of darrell. Thomas barber shop owner. The businesses and the community at large have been suffering a physical as well as a financial death and so due to the financial toll. We also organized grant writing sessions with the net at pen to help the coalition of businesses in west philadelphia apply for governmental financial relief. Wow this is a you know in this whole pandemic era new this is so much newness so much adjusting and so it's really really valuable to attack some of these issues and get them to make a big difference. What challenges have you had while starting and running sharp so some of the challenges that i have had our juggling a busy clinical schedule as a fellow. I'm also currently getting a master so a full course load and trying to help the community at the same time so like after look prince brewer said. It's very difficult. It's a lot of work but we do it because we're very passionate and cared deeply about the community. You can't do this kind of work and put so much time and effort into this. If this were a calling there was something. Dr bursts said earlier. that really stuck with me declaration. You said something about the community. That i've had the blessing to serve. Is that combination of words as does nothing self-aggrandizing or self promotional about that about serving the community. It's about taking care of people around you. You're such a gift. Both you guys such gifts to the communities that you're serving but you like you're the blessed what i've heard nerissa speak in very similar language. So it's really touching very inspiring and moving to to promote this kind of work. So i just have to congratulate universal for all of this incredible worth. You're doing with sharp. The support you provide as committee is just invaluable in that you were able to design and execute it. All fellow is inspiring to say the least so speaking of meeting people where they're at and lifting that community tucker. How did you decide to partner specifically with a black faith community. Thank you so much for your kind words again. It definitely is a blessing and you do have to have a colleague to do this. Work as imaging there are challenges in as orissa mentioned having your community partners working alongside. You really makes this worthwhile. So i really wanted to congratulate her on her work with sharp end barbershops and salons so you know we partner with the black faith community or what we fondly referred to as the black church because it's been the longstanding institutional backbone of african american community and in my opinion it was the unprecedented social networking platform among african americans. So everyone looks at the church. You know what's going on in the community and long is long before there was any you know. Social networking like black twitter. I was honored to collaborate with a scholar and health equity research leader. Dr david williams recently on an editorial published in the american journal public health and twenty. Nineteen minute highlighted. How the black church. In faith based organizations really have been at the forefront of health promotion through community based interventions in underserved communities since its inception hundreds of years ago and there have been several successful community based interventions delivered in partnership with african american churches even prior to faith that we have modeled that have improved cardiovascular risk of faith community in african american. So why not the black church. I guess is the question. It's the centerpiece of african american community. Why not the black church. Indeed and whatnot barbershops also underestimates them in other the fulcrum of the community so for this committee engagement to be successful impactful effective. You need to gain the trust of the people you need to have buy in from them. They need to believe that you have their best interests at heart so for both faith and for sharp power. These projects initially received by the community. And did you find yourself. Welcomed with open arms. Or did you have to build that trust over time before you could have that impact. I love this question because it really speaks to the process au community engagement and humility. And what that means in how you have to carry that with you while doing this type of work. So faith was welcome with open arms during the early days in baltimore and i believe this was likely due to our approach of meeting our flagship church there in east baltimore where they were and asking them directly. What would your congregation wants in a health promotion program rather than going in saying. Hey we have this and this for you. This is what you need to do. We ask them. What do you want and also having buy and from the church. Pastor to bring the program into the church was also key however interestingly. I was not welcome with open arms initially to the rochester minnesota faith community although i had initial buying from the church pastors as they wanted to improve the health of their members. This was not the case from the actual congregation members. So i can clearly see it now. During my first meetings with the congregations whole there was clear skepticism towards me. I received so many questions and kind of side. I looks of kind of why are you here. Why did mayo clinic in utah. Church and also distinctly. Remember someone telling me to sit down. And i didn't take that personally as i was actually standing up and showing a powerpoint slides and a sued but it really was a teachable moment that you have to kind of shed all that back take that off in. Just sit down and really meet people where they are and look at the items in you can only imagine how shocked i you know as black physician to to be on the receiving end of these comments and in a in a church of all places in although there were comments about prior historical at the coal research. Wrong smell like tuskegee. Syphilis study and in my opinion this skepticism actually was stemmed from a lack of outreach if you will historically by our institutions at this community which led to their distrust of my intentions so i knew there was a huge elephant in the room at needed to be addressed so i actually took a step back from the research itself in. Actually listen to them. In del deeper into their concerns in overtime we develop a trusting relationship in my biggest adversaries are my biggest cheerleaders and they wanted to know that i was in this process for the long run and not just a hit and run to data to advance my career. Why this whole story and process that you went through sounds is is nothing that i would have necessarily expected for sharp. Initially we were well received because in many ways the community reached out to us for help. But i i will say that. It took a while to develop the relationship with the shops and with the barber's stylists through Hypertension so those relationships were built over a number of years so that when the pandemic hit they felt comfortable reaching out to us for assistance. We eventually were well received by the majority of the coalition of businesses because we were introduced to them by daryl right and so they trusted him. He trusted us by proxy redan accepted by route. But i i will echo the sentiments of dr brewer. We did also encounter some skepticism at first due to historical lack of outreach and and so we had to definitely overcome that you know tried to show that we although we're physicians and there's a history of lack of maybe outreach. From a number of institutions across the country. We were there to help and to do best we could for the community you know these parallels and also the contrast between two startup stories or your origin stories. Working with the community are very interesting and and obviously no place is alike Would you have been able to do and achieve has is absolutely amazing. And i'm sure there are many other cities out there. That could benefit from having innovators collaborators in people with so much heart and passion such as yourselves and you know just hearing those stories before may really inform what you'd answer me to this next part but what would you say to others hoping to bridge gaps in care connect with communities however they begin like what would be a good strategic way to initiate a program. Such as the ones that you've started. So i must say that really conducting this type of work is not easy but as we both have expressed it's so fulfilling and it is not for the faint of heart as you really have to learn to be adaptable in have cultural humility. If you will and you have a genuine heart and commitment to the community and keen ability to listen because immunity can see right through those engines. Been through so much themselves at. They know when you are not sincere. And i'm very over protective. Do of our community members is. I really wanna make sure that they're not taken advantage of but instead that they're partnered with by those that are really interested in doing this type of work and i really would tell others interested in community engaged research or even along the full spectrum to cpr to really begin within introspective reflection on. Really why do you want do this type of work and then take time to build relationships with and understand the culture of the population that you want to serve. And i always find it difficult when people say oh you know. That's a hard to reach ovulation. They're just so hard to reach but always respond and say have you tried hard enough to reach them and and that really makes people reflect on why they want to do this and how they are going about doing. This work agree with dr completely in. I will say that having worked on sharp for while in order for community level programs to be effective. It's important for them to be well. Resourced which is sometimes an issue and community members should have a seat at the table and there needs to be trust without trust. You have nothing. There needs to be positive relationship building with respect understanding and humility in order to build trust and to develop powerful impactful relationships in at the end of the day no change moves at the speed of trust. So unless you have bat it's not going to be an effective of ineffective program that makes a lot of sense. You know we talk about building a therapeutic alliance with our individual patients but you're talking about is really fostering beth therapeutic alliance with the community as a whole so. I wanted to ask a question that came up in my mind after reading the paper. Hashtag me who by dr michelle albert. The president of the association for black cardiologists at ritchie wrote about some of the challenges unique to underrepresented minority women physicians scientists in. I'll quote from that paper. Many your m faculty are often pulled between passion or obligation for providing clinical care at the community level which arguably has positive health benefits to both providers and patients and an interest in academic endeavors the current model that isolates academia for practice fails the needs of patients providers and communities. I think what she was getting at. Is this sort of academic ascension right dislike tenure track to becoming a professor doesn't always prioritize patient care or community service and in parallel to that grant funding nih funding doesn't necessarily prioritize research into health. Inequities but dr board. Just it's just incredible. How effectively you've paired your passion and zeal for community service and improving the health of underserved populations with academic achievement the recognition that you're bringing into. This area is so admirable. And i'm wondering what would you say to so many young as people like nora saw or people who maybe are haven't had as much as she meant as neuroscience had who who are so passionate about community service in taking care of people who are underserved but maybe are discouraged by what they see around them in terms of how you know what's prioritized in terms of academic achievement. What would you say to those bright young trainees who who are future leaders medicine. He has thank you so much. I mean this is great to have opportunity to speak on especially after reading the city of dr michelle. Albert's of editorial and commentary on this piece. And i oftentimes tell my colleagues on that are also african american cardiologists physicians that she was speaking directly to me and i said i really wish that she would have had a case study. You know kind of at the very end of her paper to highlight You know my story to but she Definitely resonated with me. But i would give advice to others really trying to navigate academia and trying to balance their values. And what's most important to them from a research in community outreach standpoint is that you can integrate these together. I have clearly been able to do that have been able to merge not only my public health population health community engagement in service interests with my love of preventive cardiology and and training. So it can't be done but you really just have to. You know at one of the questions. Presented was the recipe for success. I i must say that. Once i stopped comparing myself to others as away from my own personal development. I became more confident in my abilities to do this type of work. And fortunately i've been able to become an accomplished cardiologists and community leader and advocate. But unfortunately competitiveness is really ingrained in our medical training. And you know it's really something that we have to overcome. But really i just encourage those that are interested in this type of work that can be done. It can be recognized as true science and not just service and you can feel fulfilled and also be rewarded for the time and effort that you put into thank you so much for and if i might make an observation you strike me as someone who's not driven by these external rewards of being recognized but rather going back that language use yourself feeling blessed to be able to serve the community. It's it's that calling and everything else is sort of the fruits of labour but the primary goal is calling to serve the community. You know but there is a way to to be recognized and appropriately so that climate academic ranks. Because that's also important to to carry the work forward mentor others to inspire to do similarly on the topic of dr michel. I have to say we feel so fortunate to also be able to call her in adviser especially for this narrative series. We've been so touched and inspired by the work that the for black cardiologists have been doing very impactful and so your fellow member of a board. Why do you think that the abc is uniquely important. In how has it helped your career l. Thank you for that question. Michelle albarn was well as Princess borough phenomenal. Mentors and i will say that. Abc is unique because as an organization it has focused on health equity diversity and inclusion for nearly fifty years and achieving equity is a core mission of the abc is also unique because it provides access to a network of professionals were deeply passionate about the wellness and health of vulnerable communities in many members such as dr la prince's brewer have made achieving health equity their life's work. The abc has helped me in my career in professional development tremendously through abc have received sponsorship mentorship in scholarly opportunities have also participated in several national talks and hosted events. So these experiences have helped to develop my professional confidence and my professional sense of self. If i'm going to be honest. I think that i am stronger. And more confident as a speaker researcher in leader in large part due to my participation. Abc nervosa in. That's really powerful to hear how the abc actually provides a community for you and a nurturing community at that which really is. It's almost like full cycle in terms of what you're doing for your local communities you know we've heard a lot about your passions and work in the community service base and also community engagement and we'd like to now take a few moments in the second part of this discussion to get to know both of you on a personal level and learn what we call your narratives in cardiology. So nervosa dr brewer. Do you recall what was the moment. You decided that you would become a cardiologists e. So my a ha moment if you will was actually when i was in undergrad at howard university i actually took my summer to complete a summer. Research program at duke university. And i worked with a cardiologist. Who was a physician. Scientists and the fact that this cardiologists was able to balance both patient care and also research was just fascinating to me and i at that moment realized that i could merge kind of my desire to give back in that human touch that i was missing with my engineering studies in vengeance. Bridge that into madison. So that was my aha moment in to see that i was also able to integrate. My engineering background into cardiology was the hemodialysis. Mx and just the teamwork. That's involved was of cardiology and again as i mentioned the constant evolution in discovery of cardiology. I was totally in nerissa. You talk to us in the past how you got interested for some medicine through a pipeline program. Would you mind sharing a little bit about that. Sure so. I think the first time that i had an inkling or an idea that i may wanna be cardiologists was when i was in high school and i participated in a program called health preparation explosion recruitment program each and dr woody lee at yale ran the program. He was a cardiologist and he took me under his wing and left a lasting impression on me and i remember wanting to be just like him and due to that early mentorship. I was drawn to cardiology from a young age. That's really incredible and returning back to that paper by doc. Michelle albert hashtag me. Who i'd like to read an excerpt. She wrote that underrepresented women physician. Scientists are isolated because of a lack of critical mass by boats. Sex and race. Ethnicity women and your ems represent only fifteen percent and two to four percent of cardiologists respectively. He subsequent isolation impedes the social engagement necessary for academic and personal success drivers of this isolation include are not limited to lack of racial and ethnic diversity racial and ethnic discrimination from patients and families bias from superiors and colleagues. A hyper vigilance from stereotype threat. Reactions to tokenism and in some cases misguided promotion of only one year end as being successful for minority women. These experiences are further amplified by social environments. Which may create an paraphrasing which may create a circumstance that promotes lack of shared social experience. With on your women and successful men of any race or ethnicity so this is a pretty loaded excerpt but docteur are there elements of this that you find relatable yes definitely so as i mentioned you know when i was reading this phenomenal work. It truly resonated with me. Because i could see myself interwoven into many of the lines of dr. Albert's abor many of the challenges that you pointed out from this expert. I've dealt with them sure. Dr hanes has also felt throughout her training as a cardiology fellow as well and it really highlighted sometimes. It's lonely at the top right. You know we use accomplish so much In it took so much for us to get here but actually when you actually get there you know. They're they're not that many underrepresented minorities in cardiology. But i think this actually brings home. The point at the risk of mentioned that organizations such as association of black cardiologists are so fiddle to our success. Because they do foster that nurturing environment and we do the others that look like us and we can be supportive of one another in afford each other opportunities again. It's a blessing to be a part of this ocean of black cardiologists. And as orissa mentioned. I've also had several opportunities that have emerged from my membership in abc. In i've really had the honor of meeting several. Abc founders and just seeing their vision of achieving health equity is really motivated me to keep pushing forward into see african american women in leadership within abc such as that michelle albert really relieves inspiring in really makes the salt. Worthwhile agree with everything That dr brewer mentioned and everything that dr albert wrote elephant in her piece. It can be very challenging for a number of reasons as a m. It is lonely at the top especially when you know. You don't frequently Get to work with people who look like you. But you know. I'm encouraged because of my patients I think that our presence my presence Dr brewers presence in just having a diverse core of physicians and cardiologists is important. Right we should reflect our patient population because it makes a difference to them And i can't tell you how many times i've had patients told me that. Another proud of me. They're so happy to see me there because of the historical klein that many demographic groups have had to do in order to be able to say that their physicians to reach this point. And so again. I i completely agree with dr burin. Dr albert and i'm also very grateful for them and for the abc for that reason because it does provide a network of professionals. Who understand exactly what you are going through. As a training end and how difficult it can be sometimes and for that reason is very helpful to have associations such as of archaeologists. Thank you both so much for sharing this powerful perspectives. And what i heard both of you say is that it's lonely at the top and i get this impression that there are a lot of people feeling. Lonely is simultaneously at just not realizing that this is such a shared experience that others have as well. So while you know the numbers within our micro environments are not great there there is power in community and power in numbers from the global scale. And this is actually one of the motivation for the narrative. Series is to share that people don't have to feel lonely and isolated that these experiences that you both are sharing our shared experiences and it's important to talk about it you know it's like dr manning told us once he don't know you don't talk about right so that thought in mind doctor. What would you want to say to someone who maybe earlier in the career and is feeling lonely. Maybe doesn't have a lot of support in their micro environment. Or maybe alternatively what would you say to yourself when you were younger and just trying to figure out life you know growing up in medicine you know. I i would just say stay encouraged. Even as as i mentioned really have to yourself sometimes to keep going really go back to the foundation of why you're doing this and i think in parallel nerissa and i always go back to our patients in our communities and wanting to contribute to the greater good lord of society. And that is what motivates me in keeps me going and knowing that i'm not alone. I have this whole community wrapping their arms around me cheering me on as i'm going on to improve the health of our communities so i would just say really to stay encouraged. We're here to support each other although we may be few in number. We're we're great in the support that we can provide to win another you both strike me as people who assess current situation make changes in look forward to the future. So dr brewer. What you say. The future of cardiology looks. Like i would definitely say. The feature. Cardiology is more diverse more welcoming and continuing to evolve and i would say it's also becoming more community engaged in focused towards achieving cardiovascular health equity for all that is a future i'd like to be a toast to the Rate so again. Thank you dr brewer for joining us. Today this has been a fantastic discussion. And dr brewer. I cannot begin to tell you how encouraging your words have been for me. You've motivated me to keep going. And i'm sure you will inspire many of our listeners. As well thank you for the fantastic work that you do and for the trail that you are blazing so that people like me can have someone to follow and thank you again for joining us. Thank you again. It was truly a pleasure. Honor and a blessing data thinking muted guy unneeded to. I was so charming. You guys will miss that. I'm sorry i'll start again.

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Behind The Lens episode 116: Modified Phase 1B

Behind The Lens

25:44 min | 5 months ago

Behind The Lens episode 116: Modified Phase 1B

"This is behind the lands podcasts. From the lens. New orleans first nonprofit nonpartisan public interest newsroom. I'm caroline heldman on this week's episode. The cdc has issued new guidelines on how to safely reopen schools nationwide and they do not include vaccinating teachers while at the same time vice president. Khama harris has been advocating for teachers to be bumped onto the priority list for the vaccine will discuss how the new orleans public schools are handling this two lane. School of medicine administrator has been suspended from her position as program director of the schools medicine pediatrics residency program and is suing the university for alleged discrimination those stories insight and analysis. Coming up on on a cold podcast this week. Education reporter martyred juice in high. Marta health reporter. Philip kiefer's is here again. Hey philip and lens editor. Charles maldonado is here. Hi charles. marta. Education is up. I newly released. Cdc guidelines for reopening schools. Do not call for teachers to be vaccinated before returning to the classroom. However in recent interviews vice president kamala harris has argued that teachers and other essential workers should move up on the vaccination priority list locally city. Students have him back in the classroom. Since mid-september until rising case numbers called for returned a virtual. Learning elementary students returned february. First high. School students are coming back into classrooms on monday. When we'll teachers be able to receive the vaccine in louisiana and who is making that decision even all the national politics aside. I think we saw the new. Cdc guidelines this week much like guidelines that were released previously. There's not a whole lot of changes. Although many schools in other parts of the country have not reopened the way new orleans has just just like basically every other decision that's made in school district. It's coming down to local authority. It's when teachers can get vaccines same as everything else. That's coming down to local authority. That's coming to the louisiana department of health at this point in time teachers general education teachers who wouldn't qualify another way for being you know older than sixty five or a specialized therapy or counseling position. You know we don't exactly know when they're going to be eligible. I dunno felt you speculate on that at all. Last i heard on This question of tears. So we're in phase one b tier one right now in phase one b tier two includes teachers serve transit workers other essential workers as designated by the state but that tier keeps getting pushed back and pushed back as of last week. The state didn't have any estimate on when when there will be eligible by dr jennifer of edna. The roman city health director said that she expected that eligibility to come after the johnson and johnson singled shot vaccine is approved. Which is expected to happen sometime this month. We do know that about you. Know twenty two other states have kind of bumped up teachers in some capacity similarly here. We also have counselors school nurses and other other types of educators to qualify in special ways. That have you had a chance to talk to any of the teachers unions or anything about how they had their feeling about this every to union representation this week. But i didn't hear back i. I suspect part of that is just our general. You know mardi gras. This is a week off for schools this week right so yeah after six weeks of school. Virtual return the high school. Kids are coming back on monday night after we just had some some version of mardi gras. All of that begs the question. Of what are they. Are there concerns. What are they anticipating. Might happen after the return. After mardi gras district officials were pretty confident that they would be able to go back to normal or what had been normal. Which would be elementary schools. Five days a week. they're back now and then high scores on more of a hybrid schedule. So you know anywhere from one to three days in the classroom and other days at home i noticed. Pretend lewis was confident we'd be able to return. He said you know we are able to do this. I thanks giving I think the question is did celebrations in any way resemble like they did over the winter break because that would raise concerns about potential spike in cases. But we don't have any evidence to suggest that so far but at the same time. We had both margaret holiday. Suppressing test results are people getting tested and then additionally we have this winter storm that it's affected ability to task throughout the state and potentially ability to vaccinate going back to the vaccinations for a second. Philip were on tier one. B right now is worse over phase one b tier one which i mean honestly. The tears are a little bit less at this point because rather than Progressing through them step by step. Like you would expect what's happening. The is the governor's office l. d. h. have just added people to the existing tier so we were still in his one me tier one. It was expanded to include people sixty five in up so at this point. I think i take all of the tears. Were the Hefty spoonful absolve that. This is kind of there. Signaling your thinking that these people will come next but there's nothing firm in there about what what exactly that means in terms of progression so it's really just semantics. Almost okay the list of people who are eligible for the vaccine keeps expanding are all those people who are eligible to receive the vaccine able to get vaccinated at this point. No there's still delays in getting appointments set up. I mean it is happening so it but surely but at this point one point two million people are eligible for the vaccine. Roughly in only about five hundred. That i have been administered. That's less than half. The state has been saying is that they're aiming for roughly eighty percent of people who walk the vaccine and are eligible to be vaccinated before moving to the next the next tier or for For demand to be about eighty percent of supply before opening to the next one where we are large scale. Numbers there about hesitancy i mean. That's what approximately forty percent of people in the eligible categories the challenges that these early categories are people who in general have very compelling reasons to get vaccinated there from one healthcare workers. They're over the age of seventy and a lot of cases a i. Yeah that's i would sort of take my baseline. But i have a feeling that hesitancy in existing categories is a lot lower obviously think the national number on nursing home hesitant or nursing home staff. Hesitancy is around fifty percent. And last time i heard that was about two weeks ago. That was about the number louisiana. Although again joe cantor said that they were every time they were returning to nursing homes uptake among staff was gone up by about ten percent. Do the hesitancy numbers are also kind of a moving target as people see other people getting vaccinated back to schools. Marta has the vaccine tracker that they launched. The new vaccine tracker been dormant this last week or have they had been moving at all. Now we're not gonna get any updates until monday disappointing to me as a reporter. But also i think to the community just because if potentially be tight thought that we were after winter break. It'd be nice to have some new numbers since week before kids actually back to the classroom. Did they say why. They're not updating the case numbers. This week is just the holidays. I think the general party line would be something like well. We update on monday. Now in monday was wendy grosso in a week or so. Will i mean. Even next week you wouldn't expect it to perhaps it'll reflect any new cases that have been diagnosed over the holiday break. Yeah i mean we. We're not going to see the full mardi gras that if there is any for a couple of weeks But you know. I think it would be it would be nice to know roughly what our baseline is as high school. Students are returning before we could expect a potential mardi gras bike right. We did have the district issue like three line. Press release yesterday saying you know school starts for monday which is kinda the same thing they did last break. But that that release didn't include any numbers about positively ear anything related to kovin and just it just after the mardi gras honda now. Obviously the city's the city's case tracker is still going and in many ways that you know has it provides more comprehensive information in a lot of ways though it doesn't actually it doesn't actually break which cases are are related to schools in some way but it does it does give you better information in other ways right and those those numbers have been trying to any a good direction but again it's a question of what is our testing capability bed during the holiday yet. The union representatives. That you speak to have you talked to them. At all about their response to the cassisi on their behalf from kamala harris and the biden administration that in contradiction to the cdc guidelines. Yeah without spoken specifically about that. I think i think nationally. There's august a big movement to get teachers vaccine before returning to the classroom and i think that's even more of a. It's a tough for controversial subject in places where teachers students had not returned classroom at all throughout this entire year. So here. I think it is a little bit less of a sticking point because we've been we have been back in the classroom and also the union doesn't have a platform they don't they know they don't have any. They're only a handful of collective bargaining contracts in the city. So it's it's not the same type of conversation how would happen here But at the union would absolutely. I think advocate for teachers to be back stated before they interact students right as far as the the presidential party. Line they they. They did advocate for teachers to be vaccinated before returning to classroom. A also acknowledged that. That's not part of the cdc guidelines. So it's pretty interesting interesting stance. Oh again in terms of cdc recommendations. I mean the cdc's stands at the moment and has been dead transmissions can be effectively controlled inside classrooms. Right right if you're if you're using a mask if your distance That i think our schools are pretty. Well set up to do that. Generally speaking especially when thirty to forty percent of the population was still staying at home. So they're more room and classrooms than a typical sized classroom. Right good point all right thanks. Marta an update on this story. Louisiana governor john. Bel edwards announced on thursday. That teachers will be added to the eligibility lists for the vaccine beginning next week. You're listening to behind the lens on. Caroline heldman my guest this week. Weaker education reporter mark juicin' health reporter philip kiefer and the lens editor charles maldonado. Hi i'm michael stein. And i covered new orleans. Cultural economy and local government. Here at the lens is to report stories that others aren't or can't increasingly traditional newsrooms are facing budget cuts and have been curtailing long-term investigative reporting because it tends to be the most expensive kind of work. We're here to fill that gap. Please consider helping us. do this. Important work by making a tax deductible donation. Now at the lens nola dot org slash donate. Thanks for your support philip. A two lane school of medicine administrator has been demoted from her position last week. She says the move was in retaliation for a discrimination lawsuit. She's filed against the university. Who is she. What's her background. What's going on here. So her name is. Dr princess dinar. She was an administrator overseeing a residency program within the tulane school of medicine Just by way of background. She was hired in two thousand eight as the medical director for a separate program within the med school within a year. So by two thousand nine she was hired to be the co program director of the medicine pediatrics residency at the tulane school of medicine which means she was overseeing residents people who graduated from medical school but still need to go through the process of getting hands on experience deferred completing their their education And pretty soon after that She became the program director. She was the first black women program director at the two lanes for medicine in the program was leading medicine. Pediatrics are meant Dishing substantially less white than other residencies according to her lot sear. It became nervous under her leadership which becomes sort of a key. Part of the discrimination lawsuit just a couple things. First of all that she is still employed School of medicine ride. This is kind of a demotion. She received last week exactly. Yeah and the second thing. Is that this that she filed was filed well-advanced Back in october. What was the sort of genesis of that suit. Your lawsuit filed october twenty twenty Alleges and gender discrimination the allegations Star basically from within a year of her initial hiring as the medical director for this other program while she was in that first year. Chill is that during the interview process with the dean of the school of medicine. Dr li ham handed told her that. Actually the program. Med pete's vir- surfer in the eyes of applicants. Applicants wouldn't want to come there if it had a block director. And so that's why she was given the job of rector Before being promoted to full directorship from this a ton of other stuff Alleged that she says created a hostile indiscriminately climate against her end the residents she oversaw and against her program in general to some of those elements. Are she alleges that she was locked. Out of key internal software that she needed to see her resident evil to schedule them for For rotations that she was locked out of screw by list-serve Other sort of key communication platforms to the lawsuit says that her students were prevented from taking shifts that they need to gain a beam experience and that the same was not happening to residents in other programs end importantly also alleges that she was forced to use a software flow ranking applicants to her pergram but specifically discounted the education of students from each vcu's. We're lawsuit is alleging that the software if they graduated from an hugh it knocked down in the ranking that is my understanding and my understanding is that there was this software program called klis. It's used for on some level automatically ranking applicants to the program there's this in the residency application process. There's this matching system and initial are made on the basis of mutual high rankings and so an element of the ranking process through the med peds pergram allegedly res- software that ranked applicants and specifically discounted gave the ranks to applicants from hp. We explain the other two lawsuits against the university. There two other lawsuits alleging gender. Racial discrimination against the school of medicine or halibut faculty in the school of medicine read. Now that i know of one of them is very closely related to dr dinars now series. It's actually a resident in the mid. Pete's pergram dr k. Who in february of twenty twenty in this went under reported at the time. sued the school of medicine and named another fallible administrator. Who's news named dr dinars. Basically over some of the allegations that dr dinar makes her lawsuit regarding Students being given harder rotation students in residence in mid kids being given harder rotations not being given elective rotations and the students specifically alleges that she was given. I believe a year without any vacation time which was given to two other residents and actually dr dinar services a witness in this residents sued end dr dinars lawsuit alleges that the retaliation became more intense after after that went forward. The one is related. Only in broad it's a suit filed I a rheumatology researcher who studied autoimmune disorders. As matter standing. And it's it names again. The dean of the school of medicine. Dr late ham and another high level administrator. This suit was filed in twenty nineteen after the researcher was let go and basically alleges that that was based on the fact that she was a woman who had been discriminated against on the basis of gender through research. It alleges that Her research funding was sapped by this administrator. Given to other male researchers around her and that she was then terminated because she had been unable to secure funding and do her research effectively which the lawsuit then says stemmed back from the fact that she was being undermined the entire time through her research. But that soon feels like important context because it also name's dean of the school of medicine at says that this researcher went to him with her concerns that the dean said that he would investigate and then did not. He knew the allegations and didn't do anything. So what's the university's position. The university's position is that they are committed to fostering equitable and inclusive community. And discrimination in any form has no place and is not tolerated they say about this suspension is the an external review body. The ac gm came to tulane to review the med peds program and a warning status. It's called about the status of the program. They say that this status change triggered an automatic review of the program by an internal body called the graduate medical education committee which is comprised of diverse to in faculty and medical residents and individuals from other institutions. They say that that committee recommended. The suspension of dr dinar rinse gets really confusing at heart to parse out. Is that review by the outside. The jemmy according to dr dinars lawsuit came to evaluate the program because of allegations from her residence of racial discrimination on the part of the administration so her lawsuit essentially says yes. My residents brought in this outside. Which the spoiler ben says led to the review of her. There's some contention Exactly the c. Jammie found when they went there on the lawsuit says essentially that it could not rule out discrimination as contributing to the warning. Status of the program is folks. -person for those. Scroll sent me an email saying that. No in fact. They couldn't substantiate claims of racism. I'm waiting for more to come out of this lawsuit before i know. Exactly what what they said. That's still not to my knowledge but the extra exchange about this so you have this outside body come. In apparently at the behest of students who said they were experiencing racism. This automatic review happens. The automatic were view. Appears to been under the purview of one of the high level administrators named as antagonists. Dr dinars law. Seared and i haven't gotten any answer on what his involvement was in that but none of the people named in the lawsuit was the dean of graduate medical education in the ross. It says that he oversees internal education standards of residents and then the statement to lynn says. The doctor denies suspension was handed down by a committee within the graduate medical education division. I don't know what to make of that. I should say that. The case with the researcher who alleged gender discrimination in her firing that had a summary judgment issued in favor of two lane on december thirty first. But it's an appeal right now and briefs are being filed to the fifth circuit court. March are they. Are they represented by the same attorney or a couple different attorneys. And i haven't managed to get one of them on the phone that yeah this one guy Mickey always is involved in teams of all three. And he's definitely the lead attorney for okay dinar and i think is one of several filler researcher. Who do any other fallout yet. From this to alumni is writing an open letter abou- about the lack of transparency. That they think is happening as for this lawsuit. There's a student group that has popped up calling themselves slam. That also has demands. I mean it's it's definitely causing a huge amount of turmoil within the school medicine. Yeah well philip. It's a big messy story and you'll keep your eye on it okay. In full disclosure. My husband is a practicing physician and educator at tulane university school of medicine. Thanks for your time thank you. This is behind the lens. Podcast from the lens. New orleans first nonprofit nonpartisan public interest. Newsroom i'm caroline heldman. Thanks to our guests this week martyr. Juicin' philip kiefer and lens editor. Charles maldonado you can read all the weeks other news along with opinions at our website. The lens nola for listening

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Still Buffering: "Adventure Time" (2010-2018)

Still Buffering

51:19 min | 1 year ago

Still Buffering: "Adventure Time" (2010-2018)

"Hello welcome to still buffering a cross generational guide to the culture that made us early. Snarl I'm Sydney Maccarone and I'm Taylor smirl. So it is now as we're recording this, it's July eighth Do you think that the the fourth of July fireworks can end now? Just here now it's like like plague and murder Hornets. Just fireworks all the time. How the yeah! The CICADAS just settle in for what years or months at a time or whatever just for a summer? That's what. I it is i. they started long before the fourth. And they persist. They were so loud last night. And very close to us. I could kind of see them through the trees I couldn't see them well, so I couldn't tell exactly where they were coming from but I kind of see them and here in West Virginia. I guess it's legal now to have the real ones. you know I? Don't even know if it is but I know it definitely wasn't like two years ago, but now it seems like everyone has them so. I have no idea because it. On the fourth of July, it sounded like. Like I if I felt like we were under attack. Yeah, because there were so many different. Explosions coming from so many different directions. Have to imagine it was even worse in New York a the fourth of July, I mean it started at two PM, which I really don't understand what the joy of setting off fireworks. When it's daylight, you can't see them. Especially the. Ones that are. I mean I. Don't know it's one hundred dollars firework show going on at like two PM. It started around two PM in it. It went on until about five. Am I'm pretty nocturnal but like? This past month it's just been laying every night. They start around like eight or nine, and they go until two or three and it just. It doesn't it, does it? I don't know it doesn't stop and they're all. They're all cleaned up the next day, but like it's A. It's. Like you know usually like the people that said that like it's just it's. It's weird. My my personal vendetta against it is that there is a kitten that was crying in front of my apartment. This was like a week ago two weeks ago. and I was trying to lure it out. But people kept setting off fireworks, and so it was hiding up inside this car and it was like this little like. A dirty little kitten that clearly was like not capable of taking care of itself and I. I was desperately trying to save it, but there is no hope because this was like two o'clock in the morning it woke me up because I heard it crying. Outside my window. But then somebody started setting off fireworks again, so there was no worse no hope of rescuing the the the car kitten. I didn't realize I having never had. Dogs. I didn't realize how much I hated fireworks until I had kids I know people with dogs often cannot stand fireworks because they scare their dogs. And then we had kids, and I was like I understand now a hey. Fireworks because I want my kids to sleep at some point, and the fireworks prevent that Also. They're like really dangerous. Have you ever thought about why we let? Like why? Why can I have these things that explode? I, yeah. Patriotism that that is? Like we choose to risk exploding our limbs off. To represent the fact that some people were in dangerous. I don't know I. I thought that Roman candles were not a thing anymore like I thought they dislike. Biz I was legit like. Walking back from the park the other evening l. Ed, maybe like eight, and all the sudden like there's just a Roman candle. Go shooting by my head. I'm like what the heck? These kids were just having a Roman candle fight like in. Just up and down the sidewalk. Just like the good old days. Yeah, I didn't know that those those are back I, don't. Like the one fourth of July memory I love to share of Griffin. mcelroy and my child sized innertube when I was no more than five with a Roman candle to it. Those are the ones that displays that. They were there because it was that the same year we almost caught your house on fire. That those are the ones that do that because there was a long patch in West Virginia where you couldn't get the you know exploding ones, which was good and I. Mean they're all bad, but now they're. They're worse. Yeah, but I guess like any conversation into like. Should we really let everyone have? These explosives has to lead into like well. What about guns and America doesn't want to have that conversation ever, so we get to have fireworks to I. Guess I will say we have you start teaching the next generation well Sydney when Charlie was at our house on the fourth of July. Of course we didn't do any fireworks. We didn't have any outside at night swimming with her, and we kept hearing the fireworks going off, and seeing them on both sides of us, and it was just horrible, and Charlie just yelled the void. Why do these people have fireworks? Those are terrible, don't they? Know we're not supposed to have fireworks this year. Well. We told her that. You know when she's when she's not behaving well when she's like fighting with her sister and we'll do what we ask her to do and all that. We. Don't reward her with like ice cream or a new toy. She has to not get those things and maybe go to bed earlier. Something I. Don't know we're not very good with punishments, but you get the idea so like. But we won't reward bad behavior. And, so if right now I don't understand why America gets fireworks. America does not get dessert. It America gets sent to its room to think about what it did. And to come back when it wants to behave better, I agree. Yeah well. I like to be real like every summer in New York like there's a lot of fireworks. A lot of illegal fireworks find their way here. Like that's nothing new. But the consistency and the frequency and the quality that's just. I mean because I've had a lot of people like. Oh, you're just this your first summer in New York like no, it's fifteenth. It's this is different. Since two. Just. I love fireworks like the opposite. I love fireworks I have been that that. Person Making that great decisions jumping over them and shooting them my friends and let him my friends shoot them at me I am. Not Make good decisions. and. Even I. Am like yeah, I'm tired. I never want to see him again. They no longer spark joy. Go. Conduct polls scape I much like Frankenstein have always had a fear fire, but All right. And the scarecrow from the wizard of Oz I am afraid of fire but also the Combo being a parent and position. Don't want fireworks. Don't love him yeah. Would be fine if they went away Yet that boy I have now this year. Come out against parades and fireworks. Well. I am not. You're not a patriot. We know that I'm a bummer. Is What I? Like Dad used to say party has a pooper. That's why. It's me. I am the one who's like. Excuse me, I would rather us not have a parade because the crowds that will gather. Not, the only one year the sparked one. Everybody is now cover out of your way of thinking you were right. Now. All summers when poor small Riley just wanted to have some fireworks and sparklers, and some fun and Sydney went on and on about the dangerous. Now we're all Sydney. Everyone real everyone does hide in your home. Stay inside. Stay inside where it's safe I've told you all along now. You're finally listening. Think about what you did. Think about what you did But. I don't know. It's not a bummer adventure time. This is my my week mine. Everyone! My Week, now! I can you share it with the rest of us because a three person conversation whatever I suppose? If if this is your week, could you make it better than last week or the week before or the week before the week before that or the? We have say we'll talk Bradley you. Do you want to claim any period of time in this because I? Sure don't notice these weeks. Your mind I am not responsible for any time space continuum. That's happening. Poor mom the beginning of the year? She will shows your mind. She shared this on social media. At the beginning of twenty twenty, January first, she said this is the year of Mary. This is my year. She had a big birthday coming up. She was like this is my year. I'm going to do things I love. We even like for her birthday plane like this big birthday trip where we all three. We're going to be with her and be together and we're GONNA. Go hike. LOVES HIKE GONNA. Do we're going to go outside and hike, and now every time something else happens, or we'll bomb the deer year. He claimed. Let's. Yeah I don't think we could take other year, very. Like, so you don't think Mary can take another year. Sorry. Mom, yeah, anyway, you can have a better year. You pick a different one and they get to the end of it, and then just retroactively claiming that Siri we'll let you have take back. This is this is your take back? Wake back this year, and then you get another one. Yeah, this is A. We I think we all get a preview on this year. I think we just keep like this hope so just. Nobody has a birthday this year. Nobody gets older. Nobody has still like just. You know just next year two thousand twenty again. We pretend this never happened. Yeah just turns forty this year and I have no idea how I'm going to make special right now, so I turned twenty this whole time. We've done this show. We've been talking about when I. Come to my end of teenage years. Who knew all this was going to happen? At the end of my teenage years is what happens I, mean you're? You might turn twenty I don't know. Time might continue to cease to turn, and no one turns anything. Yeah, there was like a video of like a bunch of crows descending in a Walmart parking lot and gathering a Mike Oh well at least. This is happening. That's right. We. I just felt a sense of relief and I couldn't explain it like well at least the zoo here. That's good. The bird carrying the shark. Although although twitter inform me later I believe it was a tuna. According to I looked like a shark, but twitter consensus was that it was a tuna, well all right. Yeah. In my brain. adventure time. Is a cartoon that was on Cartoon Network. And it started in two thousand ten I, think I probably started watching it the time it came out because I was very young when it first aired and it didn't finish until twenty eighteen, so it was a pretty long running cartoon series, but I was very very into it growing up, it was like the first cartoon. I remember watching from beginning to end throughout a very long significant period of my life And it's kind of I don't know. It's one of those cartoons that is just kind of silly in its in its characters and stories in its forms, but also looking back on it now we're watching. All of it it had some. It had some good messages. It had some good moments. It was not all just silly candy people and stretchy dogs. So well. Why do you think in particular meant so much to you? I you know I tried to think about this and I. It was a cartoon I remember. I started watching with my childhood best friend at the time, so it was something that whenever we were together. That was what we would turn on. Even if it was I think that was around the time that Lake Dvr and on demand, things on TV started being things you could use so we would always like record them or do on demand and watch them together for the first time. Would you Tibo them? Tibo them? I guess I Never Tiv Oh yeah like the original dvr, right? We still say Yeah they re. We still say bloop. Because when you fast forward on Tivo it would make a little bloop bloop sound, and so we will still say like on a TV show like. Do you have bloop left? Reporting it live like you have any bloop. BLOOP through the commercial. Cute. There's no bloop though bloop anymore. But yeah it was. It was like a moment for for us in our friendship, and then beyond that I remember it was like the the of childhood I held onto throughout like high school as I was getting older, I remember it was like my bank. Dirty secret was ono. I'm eighteen years old and I'm a senior in high school but I'm GonNa. Go home to watch some adventure time. No one will know. On adult watching. Cartoons which like now I love cartoons. I don't watch him all the time. But when you're in high school and you know like you gotta be either cooler, you're not cooled like I, can't. Taylor was not understand. I watched adventure time at the same time as you did, and I was like. Oh, I was in like. Few. Adult that boy to save. Seventeen. That was just a few years ago I was thirty and I was like yeah, going to watch adventure time like. Was My thirty year old plans. I you know I. Never got but I think I think it's fair to say like cartoons in general I don't seek out the way that like what like Justin will say your husband does he does and I have watched like Steven Universe because of him a lot of the other cartoons I watch now, because, of Charlie sure or to a extent because Cooper tends to watch whatever try to watch, but but I didn't watch I. Mean he did watch it I. Think, but I never watched adventure time. Yeah, like I, had very little I. I was aware of it but I. Until now had never sat down and watched. It was a little scary. You thought it was a little scary enough for me. I watched it with China. Oh, I think it was a little scary. Charlie had some moments where she was kind of like. The Ice King. Did she not know? Watch what? I I? Don't know if it was I. don't know what. We just clicked on an episode. We were kind of doing random based on the pictures, and that's what they usually do and Marceline Dad. Yeah that's okay. That's fair which by the way fun fact, I didn't realize until today. The Voice of Marceline is the Little Girl in love actually who the WHO sings. Christmas is you. Can. You know what's impressive. Charlie was watching and she was sitting there for a second inch. Princess Bubblegum He said Yeah. That's star fire. It is now and I said what and she said that that's the voice of star fire, and she totally right, and I was very impressed that she just after. The show, either, but after a few seconds, she went that star fire. Yeah I'm sure Charlie loved Princess Bubblegum. She loved Princess Bubblegum. She also identified the ice. King is Tom Kenny right away. Because IT SPONGEBOB SPONGEBOB WOW after a few minutes of listening to the ice king she went. Is that Spongebob Terminal those tunes listening for Justin Rose? Is Is that the guy that I met? That's the real spongebob, but not the one from the musical, but the one that from the cartoon Tom Kenny. We met him once at a CON-, Yeah! But she knew the spongebob musical before she knew Spongebob. Yes, as he said the real spongebob, not the one from the musical. Well. I didn't realize I was watching some of the. I love the living. Grab episodes because yes. Czar character and I don't know why didn't pick up on this. I guess because when those episodes were first out. It was maybe before rick and Morty. but then I was really watching them like just enrolling the curator, one of the creators of Rick and Morty. That sounds like a voice in it is. It's a so one in this I can hear that now I think. Yeah. Yeah, it's. It's super on the nose, but I did not realize that until I was watching it and then and then the voice of Jake is. What's his name? John John Michio what is. That seems right from the credit. Yes, yeah, yes, that is his name who was also. He was also bender from Futurama yeah wow. Now that you've seen titans and Kim possible. WHO IS THE ON TEEN? Teen Titans. Go Okay I haven't watched that. But anyway. I do like it now though watching it back because. When you think about like you watch the opening credits, and they give us a little like tour of the whole world. That's left. It's it's a apocalyptic earth is what? It is yes, it is the series. takes place about a thousand years after what they call the great musher more because it was a big nuclear war. that wiped out most humans except for Finn and then a few others, but that's why you have people that are candy, and you have like the ice king because he was, he was regular human, but he found this crown that powers during like the apocalypse, and all these back stories come from a post-apocalyptic now. This is the world. Why are there so many princesses? I guess just a bunch of different. Is that known areas and universes? Unless I missed something I, don't. Know. I was just curious. I observed in the few episodes. Princesses, yeah, I. Do know that when it comes to bubblegum. Like was on her own at a certain point and kind of made all of the people and her own family, and all the candy people herself issues. That's one of the things I love about that character. She is an all pink princess. which like you know very stereotypically feminine female? Whatever, but she's not. A damsel in distress. She's a smart scientist and she is powerful and makes it very clear that she like isn't there to fall over whatever yeah I like. The first episode we saw her in that we were watching she like her first appearance. She's wearing a lab coat. And it was about making tarts and she. If you watch like the later seasons, you get like the flashbacks all the way to like right after the apocalypse one of the I think it's the. Maybe it's Simon and Marcy. Focuses Simon and Marceline Simon is who the ice king was before he was. yeah, and they're running from like the weird post-apocalyptic like Gooey zombies litter everywhere, and there's a pink goo that spread across like a bridge that they climb up. It kind of gets them to safety, and then later the pink Goo gives them the can of soup that he feeds to Marceline to help her feel better. Is the like. Pre. Bubble gum is birth from. Yeah, so she kind of like formed from the post apocalyptic radiation. She was berthed from this radioactive bubblegum. Detail that she's the one that gives marcy the soup until they rewatch, and then it made me cry because of like. Looking out for Marceline all the way when she doesn't even have arms yet. Good just go. The lorries. And Weird? It starts out. You think it's like Oh, princesses and sore. It's fun. It's cute, and then like when you see the whole story, it's it's so big and sad and weird Yeah. 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Human, which I know they make that distinction seems silly like Oh, a human dog, but it is important, because then you find out that humans are very rare. Species now in in the new is what it's called, but right But they said that this time period is when magic started coming back into the earth after the events that everything you know, the whole war and apocalypse and everything so that's why you have princesses and kingdoms, and you have thin with his his swords, and his fighting for good and not wanting to do anything if it means, he's being evil, or he doesn't want to hurt anyone. That's not a bad person. That this is supposed to be the time period, when like good is is coming back into the world, the Magic's coming back into the world to beautiful. Why do they tolerate that ice king stealing princesses all the time? Well Sydney. Why did the Mario Brothers tolerate? Stealing. I mean they didn't tolerate it. They kept trying to defeat him. We'll we'll finish jake, while just kinda. Take the princesses back, but the story for the the ice king gets a lot younger insider because you find out. Is that Simon? Who the Ice King was protected marceline through the Pacalypse, and he discovered the crown like every time he put it on. It would give him the ice king's power, but it would make him more and more of the ice king, and so he basically sacrificed his identity, and his his awareness of himself to protect marceline and eventually. Eventually became the whole ice king, so they kind of and I mean you can kind of see. I don't know I'd be curious to know how much how deep they had their their lower planned out before they started it. Because the ice king develops over time kind of away from a character, that's just the one note of Oh. He steals princesses into something a lot deeper, not sadder and a lot of people talked about how 'cause marceline interacts with him still and it's very sad for her because he's forgotten her, he's forgotten this. Oh, pass them and. That it's a lot like a parallel for having a loved one with Alzheimer's and a lot of the episodes that were. She's trying to get him to remember some part of them. so yeah I mean I the start. The ice king, silly character, and by the end it's like I. I don't know one of my top favorite characters like the saddest story line in adventure time. Yeah And I mean I. Think when you watch it I went back and watched as much as I, could from the very beginning and definitely the first season, and somewhat the second season. It's little one off episodes that don't usually have time to do with each other, and they're all. You know like eleven twelve minutes long. usually I remember they'd play like to back to back in one thirty minute slot, so you just get to little stories but then it was like they really really got into lower and characters, and then they would start doing these backstory episodes, and they would show these flashbacks into you know who the characters were where they came from and then they even did there were. I was reading about the show and I read an article about the thirty best episodes, and why they were the best ones in all of them. Were you know about either just really great story or characters, but one that's always been I think like my top five is Fiona N- cake. Which is the Gender Bent Universe episode of Finn Jake which they said, was just them taking fan fiction and turning it into a real mad, so it was the entire universe was gender bent, Neil Patrick Harris was the voice of Prince bubble gum, instead of Princess Bubblegum Cake was like the female version of Jake Cat but they do tackle a lot of lake. Fiona girl so I. She's talking about like needing like dates in wanting to date prince bubble gum also maybe Marshall the vampire instead of Marceline. But then by the end she's like you know whoever I am. I'm going to be an I'm GonNa be me for me and if something comes along and I wanna be with someone I. WanNa be happy, and that's great, but if not happy who I am and I'm GonNa. Do Mining and I'm going to fight evil and be my own person, and it's very cool, because it's like you have a then a female at the center of a whole adventure universe, which I feel like. Usually you get males at the center of those. Adventure Down Yeah Yeah. What's really cool I? I knew that they did that. Because I think I saw merchandise to that fact around the time that happened. Yeah, that was one of my favorites, do you? Do you think that they responding over time to who their audience was because I? Know watching so cooper really enjoyed it watching it I think because. There's so many different like shapes and colors, and it's a very visual it's it's very evocative from visual. It very cute so I. I don't know that she was really following the plot. Sure, but she was really into it. Charlie was a little more hit or miss. She wanted the ones with the princesses. If there wasn't a princess involved especially Bubblegum, she was a little less, and there were there were definite definitely characters and moments where she was like. Oh, no. I, I am too little for the. Looking at us, like what are you showing me? and so I wonder if overtime. They realized they had an older audio. I mean when the show starts. Fen is twelve years old, so you know I started watching. I was about ten. And it's kind of like They aged him up almost with every season, so when they ended the season, he was i. think seventeen eighteen and the reason they ended the season, or the series was they said because this was about his growing up and going through adolescence and learning how to be an adult and entering adulthood, and we ended this part of his story here because this was him leaving his childhood and becoming an adult so I think they definitely started aging up the stories, and the characters with their audience, because I know that I almost aged up perfectly in line with thin throughout the series which is pretty cool to. To why that is. I think it follows that same formula. We talked about it when we talked about sailor. Moon I think Steven Universe does it to where they start with something that seems kind of oculus and very easy to follow and easy to understand and episodic just episode of the day, Ish and then it grows in depth and complexity with the audience and I. think that's Really A. It's a smart way to to play a cartoon. That's going to last for that long yeah! I wonder if more and more cartoons. Are Going to do that? that are aimed at children because I. Don't think that was ever a thing like traditionally with cartoons. We Watch when we were little that they would grow into like. Something you could follow share beyond. You know just a little one off episodes with stories and characters and no connection between episodes. I mean. But I I would say that's more and more true of the stuff. We watch yeah. With the girls H, just every single character. There's even a whole episode that's on that list of the best episodes looking at cold brew Beer Guy, and it's about this little side character that's in the very first episode called group or Guy Who's just amuse little candy personal looks like a little thing of root beer, but then he gets a whole episode. That's just about him and this like deep life he. He has about wanting to be a true crime her and then he's not very good at writing, and he's married and has kids, but then he stumbles upon this plot to kidnap Princess Bubblegum, so we start falling in around and writing about it, and like it's just things like that where they give even the smallest characters that seem most innocuous like Gunther, who's The ice king's like head Penguin Luca. Becoming like the ice king sort of equivalent by the end and once power, and also wants his own drum set like the ice king has and the peppermint. WHO's like Princess Bubblegum? Servant ends up having like dark magical powers. This is. Everything has something it's awesome, and some of the I mean. Both standalone episodes ended. Laura! It's like. It the depth and kind of the sadness that they don't shy away from the cookie princess episode. data episode I watched that in mad. It's entirely about this this little cookie who? I guess he's in like a candy person orphanage as a kid and princess bubblegum visits, and says like Oh. You can be anything you want to be. And he says I want to be a princess, and she laughs at him, and so he grew up with this like kind of sadness about you know. Princes bubble gum laughing at him. Like the story is he takes a quickie mart like hostage to force. Princess Bubblegum to give her crown to him, so he could be the cookie. Princess add like it's really sad like it's you know they're all the banana guards like him. And he he jumps off a cliff and shatters like ends up in a mental hospital in a straitjacket, and then like Jake shows up with a crown for him, so he can finally be the cookie princess. It's a really complex episode. That kind of. BUBBLE GUM is a bad guy and. Jake's not really paying attention to the the the sadness of it. It's like that's not just something that like kid can. That's just not like. Oh, it's a funny episode it's it's really deep, sad or Not Not sad, but but deep the episode where Jake goes or the fingers into the pillow world. And it he lives entire life like he meets the pillow Princess and marries her, and has kids with her, and grows old, and and chooses to stay there like Ese opportunity to come back to his robot doesn't and so he chooses to die in the pillow world, and then in like comes back to his world as like a little boy again like it's, it's a whole lifetime that he lives inside the pillow world, and then just forgives, forgets it, and like starting just like goofy funny stuff. That's like A. You know. That's a whole lifetime. That happens on doctor. WHO SOME YEAH! Yeah. I was just thinking. Oh, on, doctor, who? You know not a plot line that you would imagine in a kids cartoon Yo. No, no well, and that sounds to me like the kind of thing that isn't. There are a lot of There are a lot of plotlines. You know okay. You guys are GonNa Make Fun me. When when I watch pepe pig with Sharleen Cooper. They love pepe pig, but they're like there are lines and jokes and story parts that are clearly because they know parents are watching like very evidently, they know parents are watching and They're very funny, but like the plot is not about that it's. It's aimed at kids like it's four. This is for kids has been made to watch pepe pig many times, and there is no through plot. Knowing on. No, it is four kids. Yeah, but there are moments in there that they're like. Don't worry. We got Bigger. Here's a little song for you. Because there are moments that make me laugh very hard and both trailing Cooper turnaround. Look at me like. What what are you doing This is not like that because that's. Not like. No I mean this is. Like is there a? Pepper pick that I'm missing out on. Now, it's not. It's not a depth. It's like little lake. Little things that they throw out there for the parents like when you watch spongebob back, and they're all those moments like jokes I have watched spongebob back in. There are moments in jokes where I'm like. Oh! I didn't get that as a kid. That's adult now. See like well. I think it's because it's a lot of a lot of the real like it's not necessarily lessons that you learn adulthood, but the things that you encounter. It's kind of like Oh. That's a new thing I have to think about. That's that's a reality. I have to face and that's the thing like adventure. Time doesn't always boil down to. Here's the lesson about sharing. Here's a lesson about friendship a lot of times. It's like years just a weird gray area of truth that you'll confront. As, you come of age that you'll have. Out How to deal with. Yet and that sounds to me like that. That's different. That's what I was gonNA. I was contrast. Like? It. This is something where like a plotline like that would be aimed at someone older would not be like Charlie can identify with this part of it, but there's also this other level mid sounds like it is on that level intentionally like we have intentionally made the plot, this complex and nuanced. As opposed to pepe, pig is wonderful, but not as complex nuanced. Perhaps I. DO think it's important to mention this in our a few episodes ago, But the very last episode the series finale ends with Princess Bubble, Gum and Marceline the Vampire Queen, sharing a kiss, a very sweet moment where Marceline is worried principle. Die, basically, there's a whole nother war going on, and she doesn't and then. They kiss and there's this whole backstory that's never talked about in too much detail or like, said explicitly, but it's like Taylor mentioned before they used to have some sort of romantic history And then you see that at the very end of the show, which I think is super cool. Because I think that was probably the first time I'd ever seen. To female animated characters, kiss or be together medically. Eating I never seen before. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it comes from nowhere because there is a lot of back and forth at the characters where you can you get the sense. They were very close, and then there was a falling out, and then you know there's a lot of tension between them. and it's really it's really beautiful. rewatching it'd be like This was always supposed to happen. Maybe always I think they've said like it was the decision. They made like earlier on in the series, but and started like dropping hands, you know. It is nice to see like. There was such a longtime wear that sort of representation that was kind of hinted at and suggested. was as good as you could hope to get you know Whereas now like when you when I think of like the cartoons that my kids watch now We've talked a lot about the loud house as being representative of not just straight relationships or in straight characters but Craig. The creek is another really great example. which if you're not watching? Creek is another one, too where I I get the sense that there is going to be more of a through line that they're slowly sure building, but it's so slow, and so it's still feels very like one off kind of but like. But but again like the representation of characters who aren't straight is, it's explicit. It's part of it whereas before like you, you would kind of couch that in some sort of magical fantastic world. You know same as Steven Universe, right Steven Universe very much started with that kind of idea the relationships, but it's also like they're not human so. Yeah which brings up I. think my favorite relationship in adventure time between Jake and Lady Rings. Who are together from the very first episode Lady Raina. Corn is just this magical flying. Rainbow Unicorn, who only speaks Korean I, believe is what she's speaking. The whole time. I think yeah I think you're. She's big screen I. Think it's Crean but. I watch subtitles almost always just like by force of habit. They don't ever put in. Oh. Here's what she's actually saying. It's just. That is her character. That is language he speaks in Jake is the only one who ever fully understand Sir and they have a very weird relationship, because Jake, the dog and then the Flying Rainbow. You'RE GONNA have babies. And they have lots of little magical babies, and they're all very kind of. Like they all grow up the. Children of rain accords or magic dogs very fast, so they all like becoming young adults and Jake Asa deal with that and. There's one episode or one on one of his kids super responsible, and like put together and professional, and it's contrasted with Jake just living in a tree house with his kid best friend. It's like. Yes. My kids more responsible than me. What do I do? but also. Jake and thin, which I didn't mention earlier, our brothers, a like adopted brothers because then was abandoned when he was little baby, which you find out later like there's this whole like protection by his human parents, and they had to leave him behind and all this kind of stuff, but then Jake stock parents find him and they're like Oh. Let's take care of this baby and the stories you know based on him. Jake was a baby. He pooped on the ground and fell into. His poop. Is the story called Boom Boom Mountain, and then he got very sad about it, and he was crying is a baby there and he pooped and then Jake's parents. Found him in his poop and carried him home, and then they adopted him and owned him, and now he's Jacob Brother Pupil just now. See I. Know say that was a lot of that. It was very sad. He was like they were trying to save. Someone who is stuck on boom boom mountain and Finn had deal with like this whole traumatic past he'd had there and had to like still fight to save the people that were out there, even though being there gave him bad memories of being there when he was a baby, and being alone in his in his boom boom, and then is kind of one of the weird round about ways that they deal with things that are actually like. Silly salary, but they're talking about dealing with passenger. Sure sure let's they they they could. Which again yeah you watch kid and you're like. Oh, he pooped. Got Stuck in his poop crying. He's a baby, but then you when you're older and you're like. Oh, he! Has Some traumatic experiences going on there and he's having to do with those through the help of. The city like you brought up his his parents like he he finally like find his dad and his dad's a total jerk face. Like like you lose an arm trying to find his dad and his depressed like like like. Yeah, go Sir Depression afterwards and they. You know this is not stop. Like at adopted kid confront like finding his, you know. His parents and like discovering that they aren't getting people like that's. That is a storyline for its cartoon unimportant what I think, but you know dealt with any kind of a fanciful like magical way, but then relating to something that's real and important to recognize. Sure. not as important, but I did enjoy the goose. You did. The the goose made me laugh a lot. I also wanted to know if Dr Princess is a character that comes back, or is she just there for the one episode she helps deliver gutters. Baby Yeah I know there are several episodes where like all the princesses are just like in of one big princess. Cluster I want to say she's there for all of those. Were just you kind of got all the princesses there? At once I enjoyed the I'm not even a real princess. It's just my surname. Yeah, those are good. But I. Felt seen from Dr Prints. Kind of has a you vibe. Has Me by. I saw her and I was like okay. I'm present I forgot to mention jae-kun lady raining corner. Have Babies and jake know identified as a male character, but he is the one that has the children. and Jake's dad was the one that had him and I like gave birth and I think that's really cool that you have this male character who is. Dating in married to I suppose a a female character, but the males are the ones having the kids because like gender roles seem to mean much in the world adventure time Never thing they make a big deal out of either just like I don't think they ever make like a whole big. Oh, no controversy ordeal over like bubblegum. Marceline, be at some point. to think. Very I just wanted to check she Dr Princess Does appear. In. A lot of episodes, but also she appears in disguise as science wizard. Wizard. Now, did you now you've given away? I often am disguised as scientists are, did you? Did you perhaps encounter tree trunks in your in your little bit of what out? My Gosh the I I I kind of felt like the first season, real light and silly, and like the first episode with drugs like maybe it's one of the first steps in the season series. It's really door. treetrunks is a little tiny elephant and she's like woman. Larry Boys only cute yeah. But. She talks of wanting to pick this perfect crystal enchanted Jim Apple because she makes pies, and she wants to make one out of this apple, but she's not very good at adventuring because she's old, so Finn and Jake take her on this adventure through the the. Scary forest to find the gym apple and. Show her that she can be a good adventure, but oh, like her way of trying to be or monsters to like put on makeup and do a sexy dance. Seduce them. They don't shy away like she's going. To seduce with Baba. No, but it's very good. Spoiler very old upset. Measure time at it all culminates with finally they find the crystal apple, and so they lived her up, and she takes a bite of it and the explodes, and then they go to credits. And then you just a wild before you hear from trade. Backs, she's you know. She's fine really. Oh Man. I think every episode just has so many weird. Little details like there is so much world building. There are so many characters that like you just you want to know about, or they'll eventually come back to their so much loop around La. It's really the the amount of creativity That's poured into this like Yeah, it's it's amazing. It's so dislike. Rich. Were you, watching I was going to just pick at it a little bit to get the base basics back, but. I couldn't stop watching well I. Think I will be watching more because trailing cooper very much. Okay? Watch more good, so I'm. Glad you try, and Cooper will like they'll raina corn. Jake Baby. Yes, yeah. Especially Cooper was like demanding didn't want to go to bed last night. Another episode yeah. Kinsey Cooper Liking. Fits very bright so what I will say. One of the main creators on that Pendleton Ward There's a not for kids, but there's a new show on Netflix it's called the Midnight Gospel, which is one of the most beautiful things animated one of those beautiful like just heart wrenching. It's basically like it's kind of build her out a podcast. Actually It's like he's interviewing. These different people and they're kind of going through these fantasy landscapes as he's interviewing them, but the actual dialogue is from a podcast interview. And it's really. Gorgeous. It's intense. Like it's definitely word. Alz! Let! The kids watch this. But it's really good. said what's up next. Oh, next We haven't done archie yet. Now man we go. Oh, man, now doing. Without Riverdale, or talking to Archie at least at least make sure you. You know the language of Archie, comics. Aw I will let you all discuss Riverdale as much as you see fit. I will not be watching Riverdale I had to sell potting Riverdale even so I will. I will be discussing the she's of your I'll reread some of your old ones. They still have the house. Sure I have some. If you need some, oh good. Even more needs. Some double digests got some We'll thank you all for watching adventure time with me. 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122. Narratives in Cardiology: Diversity, Implicit Bias, and #BlackMenInMedicine with Dr. Quinn Capers IV

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122. Narratives in Cardiology: Diversity, Implicit Bias, and #BlackMenInMedicine with Dr. Quinn Capers IV

"Worldwide cardiovascular disease affects the lives of hundreds of millions dedicated cardio nerds everywhere are working hard to fight this global epidemic. These are their stories. Hello carter's it's welcome back and thanks for joining us for the cardi. Inert narratives and cardiology series designed to promote diversity and inclusion in our beloved field because our differences do make a strong in this powerful discussion. With dr quinn. Capers fourth led by dockers arena. Sharla and greg. We discuss the importance of diversity for health equity clinical excellence and research innovation. We also discuss imposter syndrome. Implicit bias and strategies to diversify our field as we dive into the personal narratives of these incredible individuals. We discuss the experience of being. A black man can cardiology. We are so thankful to the one. And only doctor. Kimberly manning for providing an incredible introduction to the man who needs no introduction stock capers. So dr manning the fourth doctor leah docker pocono. Thank you so much for elevating the cards narratives and cardiology series and thanks to dr pamela. Douglas for sowing the seeds and providing incredible encouragement and mentorship in developing this entire program. Hello cardio nerds. Thanks so much for joining us. As we continue our narrative series highlighting the different paths and stories of pioneers. In the field of cardiology. We are so excited for today's discussion with a truly special guest someone who's been a tremendous influence and mentor in my life and training path dr quinn keepers the fourth. Welcome to the show dr keepers. Thank you so much. Serena is such a pleasure to be here to talk about things that i'm passionate about and added pleasure that it's you and i to have this conversation dr capers. It's an absolute pleasure to meet you. I've been following you throughout my internal medicine career. And as a cardiology fellow. I feel completely honored and humbled to take part in this cardio nerds episode in regards to seeing people in cardiology that represent minorities. I would have to say you are at the pinnacle you have shown that as possible. Her north to be successful in cardiology. And i truly appreciate that. Well gregory humbled me with your words very moved by. What you just said is truly a pleasure to meet you and you gotta surpass anything that people like me done i can. I can feel it. It is such an honor of heavy with us your support advocacy and impact has been felt by countless men colleagues and cardi everywhere. We feel privileged to have you as an adviser for this very narrative series. I know this will be a very special discussion and so to get started. We asked an equally special individual to help us introduce. The man requires no introduction. She herself is an incredible advocate and educator an absolute change maker of visionary of our times who has inspired so many of us to be better with that. I'd like to share a few words from the doctor. Kimberly manning professor of medicine programs record for the transitional year residency program and a vice chair of diversity equity and inclusion for the department of medicine at emory university. School of medicine. Hey cardio nerds hold up. Wait a minute. This is doctor kimberly manning. And y'all i am so excited to have the opportunity to introduce the amazing dr quinn capers. The fourth listen you got to say the fourth when you're talking about dr capers. Okay that's lesson number one today. Let me tell you just a little bit about this. Amazing human being and leader. Dr capers grew up in dayton ohio and left his home town to do his undergraduate training at historic howard university. H you. He became his journey in medicine at the ohio state university and went on to do residency. Cardiology fellowship and interventional cardiology training at emory university. School of medicine. After his graduation he worked for eight years in private practice and made the switch back to academics and came back to his home state of ohio to join the ohio state and continue his career in two thousand nine. Dr capers was named associate dean of admissions. And in ten years the college of medicine went from thirteen percent. Underrepresented minorities to a whopping twenty six percent of the two thousand nineteen entering class and and the last six years. Women have outnumbered men in the incoming classes at the ohio state in two thousand and nineteen. Dr capers was promoted to vice. Dean for faculty affairs received the award for professor of the year. And the diversity. Champion award from the ohio state university most recently. The state of texas gained an absolute jim as dr. Capers moved his time his talents and his family to join the. Ut southwestern school of medicine as professor of medicine associate dean of faculty diversity and the inaugural vice chair of diversity equity and inclusion in the department of internal medicine. He has an expansive list of accolades and awards. Dr capers was awarded the american heart. Association's lennox clinician educator award in two thousand eighteen. He was recognized as the two thousand and twenty recipient of the exemplary leadership award of the group on diversity and inclusion from the association of american medical colleges double amc. He's an inaugural member of the american college of cardiology diversity and inclusion task force and in two thousand and twenty one. He received the pamela s. Douglas distinguished award for leadership in diversity and inclusion. Dr capers has had an impactful presence on social media where he created the hashtags hashtag black men in medicine to counter the negative stereotypes of black men and hashtag take a woman to the cath lab to show that women. Of course are bosses. Dr capers is a passionate advocate for enhancing diversity and inclusion a champion for improving health equity and devoted member to countless trainees. He's also a committed. Father committed husband and i have to say is the reason why. My military push-up game is much stronger. Thanks to his hashtag drop and give me twenty campaign helped me do twenty push ups a day just to keep up with him on twitter. Y'all it is my privilege to introduce this amazing leader human being and one of my personal heroes. Dr quinn capers. the fourth. i'm stunned so dr. Manning is one of my favorite people on the planet that was just so incredibly kind so incredibly warm a now. I kind of lost some of the things in my mind that i wanna talk about but to be credible introduction. Thank you thank you documenting. We'll catch up later for sure. Now with an incredible introduction and i myself have been so fortunate to been able to start off my medical education with the support of your doctor capers and personally from the moment i heard your voice on the phone and you call to personally tell me that i had been accepted into the ohio state university college of medicine. I just knew how passionate you were about your work and your presence in the hospital especially as immediately felt by everyone you bring a smile to everyone around you trainees look up to you as an inspiring mentor and remember being in the cath lab with you. Patients feel an instant common. The cath lab during an emergency situation. So we are so excited to have you on the show. Thank you serena so proud of you and everything you've done and thank you for such tided glowing words all right so set the stage. I would actually like to start by reading an excerpt from a perspective paper that was recently published in the new england journal of medicine by. Ls at all. Jackson highlights common concepts that black applicants like myself experienced during interviews. The paper starts off like this sata conference room with a long wooden table black residency. Applicants sat next twelve applicants on interview day. None of their peers of black across the table. Hong photos of faculty members including the program director medical director and department chair number black in the corner of the room administrators. In coordinators were monitoring the agenda non of them were black rosters with descriptions and headshots of the faculty interviewers were attributed. None were black later. Residents spoke applicants over lunch and nurses set at their workstations during the tour. None were black during the course of the day. The black applicant was asked whether they were lost in twice was assumed anyone applicant. They were told they had an unusual name in that they were articulate at the end of the interview. The black applicant wondered twyford in here. dr capers. To be honest after reading this article felt like extra from my personal life the hard to pronounce last name comments of how speak all of it in medicine. We go through the interview process so frequently to med school residency fellowship normalize some of these experiences certainly not for every single interview but it was actually pretty common reading. This article is reminder that although it is common it doesn't mean it should be the accepted norm. Thanks for sharing that greg. Such a powerful visual striking portrayal of how this could so negatively impact an individual's perception of the program and more importantly their own confidence and self esteem. Training is hard enough as it is without these external factors dodger capers. What are your thoughts on this. I'd i'd like to think that these are isolated. Instances the exceptions rather than the norm. But what's been your experience. So first of all i'd like to thank the authors because these are thoughts that need to be out there. People need to hear these internal monologues. What strikes me about that narrative that you just read is that the academic medical centers where they were interviewing probably think they're doing a good job of being fair probably they're doing a good job of treating everybody equitably so. This is an example of a structural bias or structural racism where we say structural racism. The way differs from individual. Racism is you can't point your finger at one person and say this is because of joe or this is because of mary. It is structural institutional and very often institutions might not realize that there are carrying on something that that simply extends a legacy of bias an exclusion so for example it might be at a medical school that at one point excluded people of color. So what that means. Is that the department chairs in the luminaries. The deans are all going to be people who are not people of color. And so if your conference room you hang portraits of the luminaries. You aren't gonna have any people of color now. That medical school will say i wasn't doing anything to make anybody feel an imposter syndrome or to be a bias. All we're doing is honoring the heroes of our medical school while that may be but at one point your medical school excluded women were excluded. People of color and so the point is that as a medical center as a division of cardiology as department of medicine. You have to actively undo some things. You can't just start from where you are in say. Well i'm of the person. And i'm the chair of medicine and so i'm going to be sure. We don't discriminate. You've actually got to put him some work to actively undo some of the things that are extending a legacy of and racism. That's what i took from. That took both from what this person was feeling. Did an excellent job outlining their feelings. But what i took from that also. Because i've seen it. Is that the person who is the fellowship director or the internal medicine residency director or whatever program is person was interviewing from. When they read it. I would bet you got a little defensive. Because they'll probably felt no. We treat everybody the same but again i'll just in my comments on. We need to actively undo the structural racism biased just in the air in the atmosphere at our institutions. Thank you dr capers. And i appreciate you talking about how the history behind some of these structural racism the bias insidious and not necessarily from malignant intent. But no less harmful and you start off by saying that these conversations are important to have actually having these narratives discussions has been a little bit of a coming of age for for my own self when we first started designing these gregory to know because we had a lot of conversations about this in the beginning we were a little sheepish about having these conversations so explicitly and so deliberately and i got a call out and out to dr manning because it was conversation i had with her one evening when i was picking up my son and i remember very clearly in she really was the one who gave us a license to go out and have these conversations and be explicit about it because she said look. You don't know what you don't talk about Give a lot of credit for empowering us to bring about the series and you know having these conversations so i'd love to play a game of fact or fiction too. I explore the value of diversity and inclusion and so i will offer a few statements and if you could tell us this is fact or fiction. And why serena you wanna kick us off factor. Fiction minority patients are more likely to follow recommendations of minority physicians. Oh that's a that's a strong fact. That's that's an easy one so it's been shown in multiple studies that minority patients are more likely to get their blood. Sugar checked more likely to get their blood. Cholesterol checked and more likely to get flu shots. Flu vaccinations if recommended by a minority position. And here's a big one for all of the cardiologists out there. Listening black patients specifically are more likely to have open heart surgery if recommended by a black as opposed to non black physicians. And i think we think about the number one medical issue going on right now this covid nineteen pandemic and how we're all wrestling with an all concerned about vaccine hesitancy in communities of color so there's a mistrust of the healthcare system as a group and communities of color and it's will earn right is because they've been historic atrocities committed against people of color wing all the way back to slavery times and so when people of color have some mistrust. That's another way to call. That is very diligent to have some mistrust so we need more doctors of color and we need our white physicians working side by side with doctors of color a so that we can all get more culturally competent to get our patients. Doing the things that we know will help them. But that is an absolute fact. Thanks for asking that question. All right at capers. Here's another one for you. Professional diversity has no bearing on addressing healthcare disparities. That's absolutely false. So it's been shown now healthcare disparities which is an interest of mine. Which by the way. I'll give a shot up to serena co-authored review paper on racial healthcare disparities in cardiology some years ago and she was an absolutely fantastic co author. It is multifactorial when i say healthcare disparities. I'm talking about when two groups of people with the same diagnoses get different levels of treatment. Get different levels of quality evidence based care that kind of healthcare disparity is a real embarrassment to our healthcare system. That is something that really drives me to do. So much of what. I do well as multifactorial so in a lecture that i've been given to i you. Medical students for over a decade now and radio was in those lectures. We talk about healthcare disparities. And then i'll put up a blank slide and we say now. Let's come up with a list. A list of potential culprits. And then. I'll put another sides in a. Let's come up with a list of potential action items so that we can get over these healthcare disparities and i only say that i mentioned that just because there really are many things at least healthcare disparities but there is no doubt greg that one of them is a lack of diversity amongst providers and some of that leads back to the question that i was just asked about patients of color having evidence based care. That is more likely to happen if we have more minority physicians. You know that really speaks to this. Wonderful conversation. Recording just shared with dr princess brewer in. She talked about this amazing impact. She's having with a program called faith partnering with community churches in communities of color to improve and enhance preventive measures. You know she's doing this. The community based participatory research in. She talked once you talked about the lack of trust that even she met with she first began to the community so she herself so dedicated head to build the trust but one thing that she said but really spoke to me is the way she worked at. She said these communities that i am blessed to serve right and so even though she's putting heart and soul to project she's working so hard spending so many hours of every single day her perspectives that. It's her blessing to be able to serve the community. And i think that really speaks to this calling. People in is so important. I couldn't agree more. I love that terminology we're served. Physicians are servants. I couldn't agree with dr brewer more. We're the lucky ones. It's wonderful okay. So the next statement diverse research teams produce more innovative science published in higher impact journals. That is a fat so excited about does research study. It was actually published twenty eighteen. But i recently discovered it by professor shibley. Hope i'm pronouncing that correctly. Where in this study. They actually went after that. Very question does diversity of the research team have anything to do with the impact of the resources produce and they defined impact by the number of citations of the paper and so they looked at nine million scientific papers. Science technology engineering and medicine papers nine million and what they were looking for to see was do the citations a number of times. The papers have been cited. Doesn't have anything to do with diversity. On that research team. They looked at diversity of affiliation. So if people were from different universities diversity of how long you've been in academia. They looked at gender diversity and they looked at racial ethnic diversity. All of those types of diversities had some impact on citation but the number one driver the strongest indicator of the number of times a paper would be cited was how diverse was the research team racially and ethnically diverse so racial and ethnic diversity on the research team drives the impact of the research. Which just makes sense with what we know about. Decision making what we know from a literature from the business world that executive boards of businesses where there is extreme. Everybody came from a two parent family. And they're all white males and they all wear brooks brothers suit to work every day. And you have this homogeneity. Those boards make decisions that are less profitable less profitable than if there is some diversity on that board so it brings. Innovation brings a creative tension which can lead to really innovative ideas. And so i'm glad that That that's been proven. So that statement that you just made is a fact yet. This is all very consistent with what we learned from. Dr pamela douglas in our first narratives episode so it seems incontrovertible that diversity enhances patient care it reduces healthcare disparity. It improves the impact of our signs. In our research it increases creativity. So if that's all true and it is. It should stand to reason that the intermediate goal would be to improve the diversity within our own workforce so in a recent article that you published in java a survey of cardiology program directors revealed that while sixty nine percent respondents endorsed the belief that diversity is a driver of excellence in healthcare. Like we're discussing only six percent of the respondents believed that diversity should be in the top. Three list of priorities recruiting. So how can we work to address this so that cardiology as a field is diversified as physicians. We are evidence based wanna make decisions based on evidence. And so just like. I'm not going to stop using one look thinner and start using another one just because a pharmaceutical sales rep says to do so when they tell me that i'm going to say show me the data show me the data that one outperforms the other and that's what will drive my decision making the same thing we we have to do with our colleagues who are fellowship program directors residency program directors admissions committee members. We've got to be very active and almost missionary about showing them the data showing some of the data that we that we just discussed. I personally think that being on one of these. And i like to call them. I think of them as gatekeepers. The people who are at that gate who decide who goes forward and who does not. That's search committees for leadership. Positions academic medicine search committees for new faculty fellowship program directors and s election committees residency program directors and their selection. Committee's admissions committee members college admissions committee members. If you want to go all the way back to grade school the teacher who has the responsibility of deciding which of the fourth graders will be referred to the gifted and talented programs and which ones will not gatekeepers as well. I think a lot about these gatekeepers. I think it's an honor and a privilege to be on a selection committee with us residency fellowship or faculty or admissions committee to medical school. And so that honor should come with some responsibilities other committees. We have no problem. Being on other committees and other types of committees will say well on this committee gotta get everybody up to speed so everybody read these five papers or everybody do these modules these online learning modules. I believe we should have the same kind of strategy for our admissions committees residency committees fellowship selection committee. If you're going to be on this committee there's some there's some responsibilities you have to read these papers or go to these modules or attend these lectures Etc so. I think to answer your question the way that we will get over that hump and turn a needle is by making more data that shows the diversity enhances quality. But we've got a ton of it already making sure that our gatekeepers are aware of this data. He and they're all great points record keepers and you know just to kind of speak to that a little bit from my own experience in medical school. I was fortunate to be part of the admissions committee as a medical student and myself. Remember taking part in implicit bias. Training that was required for all members of the medical school admissions committee. Just how i opening it was in general to realize that many do have unconscious bias. And i think this doesn't necessarily mean that you're racist or discriminated against someone but it does reveal an implicit bias which may be affecting your behavior and i read a statement that you had made an article about how admissions committees are the front door to medical schools so they have a strong impact on the health of this nation. Can you explain a bit about what you meant by this sure so you don't get to become a physician until you get by so to speak that medical school admissions committee a so what that means if you look at the hundreds of thousands of physicians practicing in the united states all of them at one point or another. We're given the thumbs up by an admissions committee so our admissions committees as the front door as the filter might be another way. You say it have an incredible responsibility because they are crafting. Our nation's physician workforce which has so much to do with the health of the nation. So again it goes back to what i was saying. It's an incredible honor to be on an admissions committee or a fellowship or residency selection committee. Dr capers thank you so much for that comment and rena would also like the piggyback off of your statement. Earlier i was also able to play a role on emission comedians student and also during residency as a hospitalised. Now i'm actually impressed by the fact that you are offered courses on implicit bias on emissions committee. I think extremely important to have some of those things highlighted. Because you're absolutely right. It makes a huge difference on how we evaluate. It can how we choose certain applicants. It's impressive that even on the residency level in an highly academic institution. You would think some of these things would be set in place to prevent implicit bias this from happening. But i think it's very interesting topic. And i think something that should be done on the cross all admission communities throughout the nation because as you said dr capers. It's we are the gatekeepers. We are the people who allow. who are essentially shaping. The future workforce a physicians and if biases are kind of set in place. Certain people won't be able to be offered an opportunity and our vision workers would be extremely homogenous and patients may not be able to get the most appropriate care that they need or greg. So there's hope tell you that a lot of people are doing just what you've suggested. So i'm aware of paper where radiology residency training program. I forget what university. They're doing something similar to what we did at ohio state with implicit bias testing and then implicit bias. Mitigation training oven coast to coast talking to academic medical centers about this in many residue programs are considering it or starting to do the same thing so i think the future is bright. That's excellent and the kind of piggyback off of this how you can help. Recruit individuals from diverse backgrounds. Early in their education exposure is so so very important for young people. I mean if you think back to when you were a youngster what you saw was so important in what you aspire to be right so i mean if you if you see superheroes on television you know you wanna be spiderman and if you see police officers in a positive light you want to be a police officer so we have to expose. Young people want to compete with other professions. We have to expose them to medicine. I was always a big big fan as a student as a youngster of career. They always get very excited On career day were people of different professions will come and talk to us about what they were doing. We all need to make sure that we're still doing those kinds of things because you know in the day to day routine work of say a fourth grader or a fifth grader. You really can. They could lose sight of why they're working why it's important to do their homework. Wise important to listen to the teacher and then incomes of cardiologists to say you know. This is what i do. It's a blast. I saved people is the number one cause of death. And i really feel like i'm making a contribution but it all starts with you as a fifth grader fan to your teacher doing your homework. That's very powerful. And so i think we have to be working on two fronts simultaneously. I've spent a lot of time as universal cardiology fellowship program director and as an admissions dean for a decade. I spent a lot of time on what we call the in game. Two selection process working with the gatekeepers but equally as important is working on the pipeline. Trying to shore up that pipeline. Get more and more young people interested in becoming doctor going back to that perspective paper we had discussed earlier. There were many topics and concepts raised that applied to individuals of diverse backgrounds at interviews including stereotype threads tokenism micro aggression and imposter syndrome as a woman in cardiology imposter syndrome. In particular is sort of a common topic of discussion in various forums and at women in cardiology seminars. Something that i myself has have experienced at times in my training. Have any advice for trainees that experience. This just this impostor syndrome. Which is you know. Just a wonderful term. It really is a description of this feeling that you may have that you know what i don't really belong here. I'm not really smart enough to be here. I don't know if they know it yet. They might know it. They might find out and boy. I don't want them to find out. That's that's a terrible burden for somebody to carry around with him thinking that if i answer the question wrong. They're going to discover that. I'm not smart enough to be here or if i do something. Make a mistake with this procedure. They're gonna find me out. I don't belong here. I think the best way to deal with that is to talk to people who share your background. And if you can't talk to somebody to shares your background read about somebody that shares your background because we don't all have to somebody who shares are exact culture who is doing what we wanna do but learning about the reading about them can kind of help with your confidence. And then what i want to say on the other side. Now that i'm on the other side of that those of us who are medical educators out of our way to make sure that shy person over there in the corner on rounds that they're not feeling that that we can do the best we can to make them say you do belong here and it takes all types capers spot on. I completely understand what you mean. When you say some of these things arena i felt this during residency and even as a as a fellow here coming into this huge world renowned institution and the only black fellow many times. I think when they find me out. Won't they spot me out. But you know i've looked to successful people in color in cardiology like dr capers yourself. Clyde yancy someone in research dr gary gibbons at the age all successful widely productive men who are just like me so research exactly like you said dr capers. I look you all up. I see what you all do. I follow you on twitter to gain some of that assurance that i am in the right place and that i was like before reason and their potential to do great things. Like the people before me is there. I'll have to work hard. Great thanks for sharing bad. And you know that's a perfect high into this next portion as you switched over to the narratives portion of the talk where we get to learn. More about the leader's who inspire us. Great which you kick us off dr capers. We saw a recent twitter post of your showing a picture of you taking the ninth grade and what was on your mind back then including football basketball science spiderman trying to cool in a mission to become a doctor. Think back story. Do you remember the moment. You decided that you would or could become a cardiologist cardiologists. I i do. It was my biology class in high school freshman year. My first biology class. So i'd already knew i wanted to doctor. You know we talked earlier about calling. So medicine is a calling for me. So i never really wanted to do anything else as a profession so i knew from the time i was a toddler that i wanted to be a doctor would cardiology came into my life with my very first biology class in high school and for some reason this biology class. We did the circulation last so we started. You know with the nervous system and you know for somebody who wants to be a doctor. It's all interesting so i was like. Wow this is pretty cool. Too nervous system. And then we did the musculoskeletal system. And i said wow. This is pretty cool and then we did the digestive system and it was all cool but then we got to the heart and the arteries and veins. My mind was blown. I loved everything about it. I loved how the heart and the arteries and veins they talk to each other. When the heart gets weak it sends a signal to the arteries to dilate so that it doesn't have to pump against such force and ways that they're speaking to each other. I found that fascinating and sometime at freshman year first semester Found out maybe through something. I heard on the news. That heart disease is the number one killer in the nation. Then i was hooked said. Not only is this something that i'm extremely passionate about but but it's the number one killer. So here's what i feel like. I can make a difference now. I didn't know the difference as a freshman in high school between a cardiologists and cardiac surgeon to me. There's this heart doctor. So i knew at that time that i had to be a doctor that was involved in taking care of people with heart. Disease love that story. Dr cooper's so you have accomplished so much in your career. How do you manage to keep it all balanced with work and making time for family. You know what i think is so important as read reader because i absolutely adore my family and i put a high priority on family time but i also feel like i'm on a mission in my professional life and often they're long hours and so the way i balanced. It is by early on appreciating in saying to myself that every day is not going to be balanced so if the ideal is for you to spend let's say fifty percent of your day thinking about your career and fifty percent of your day loving on your family. Every day is not going to be fifty fifty not seven days a week. It's just not possible for people who are distributed in their career but if by the end of the week or by the end of the month it averages out then that's okay so in other words with a very long week. I made it my business that while. It might want to sleep in on saturday morning. I'm not gonna sleep saturday morning. get up. i'm gonna make my wife breakfast in bed. Then we're going to get the kids up. We're going to the zoo and then after zoo. I'm tired we're going to watch disney movie. I know more about disney princesses that any man is about disney princesses. I've seen them all and then after that then to get ice cream and then it's walk in the park and so by the end of that week you know the fact that i was getting home at nine o'clock every night during the weekday by the end of saturday and sunday it kinda evens out so that's kind of how i balance it and also about having a wonderful partner my life you know we. We made deals one deal. I make was. I want to put the kids down to bed. I want that to be my job. Because i knew i wasn't going to be there a lot during the day and so that time and story time was was was my responsibility so if i didn't get home until nine o'clock it was okay because the kids knew that daddy is gonna he's gonna. We're gonna get bath time which is fun to just splashing bubbles all over the place and put on our pajamas. Sarah prayers and then have a have a fun story. So that's the way i balanced but you know it could be as individual as many people as you asked that question but i think what was key was realizing that getting back to that analogy. Not every day is going to be fifty fifty. You have to be okay with that. If monday to thursday. You don't get to see your spouse as much as you'd like. Then you gotta make up for it on thursday five saturday and sunday but it should all hopefully come close to evening out. I love the papers and you know. I think it's his trying to balance kids and work and all these other things like being able to anchor at one activity that you're going to have with them. You know bedtime story time bedtime. Something that you can hold onto and i love everything you said except for one thing when you mentioned about giving your wife breakfast in bed i think if my wife or that i'd be in hot water so i have to decide whether going to leave that in the recording. You can delete that in on the topic of family. Add like to ask you about a painting. Your daughter drew and painted that you share social media on your lectures and talks and it features a black man in the middle to his right are coronavirus particles in reno that covid nineteen pandemic has disproportionately affected communities of color to his left. Our policemen who are holding a gun pointed at him in under their feet is a black man in handcuffs laying the floor and we know that some communities of color have also been subject of police. Brutality and behind him is a city on fire. so you know there's there's pain and anguish all around him but if you look at him you know his stances one of strength his pushing on both sides and as you've described the expression on his face is one of determination. And what i want to ask you is as a father you know. I mentioned my son through by two new. Babies are of another and as a father. I would want them to stay innocent for as long as possible. I'd i want them to not feel these these atrocities within our culture for as long as possible. You know when your daughter to this. She's clearly feeling these problems on a whole new and different deep level. So if if i may ask how did you feel when you realize that your children are feeling these things you know like. It's not at innocence be there. How'd you debrief with your daughter and your students. Your men tease when it comes to these atrocities. Thank you thank you. So much for mentioning. That piece of work is very important to me. And i'm very proud of it as you as you can tell and we were really proud when it graced the cover of the journal academic medicine in december twenty twenty. So i'm proud of her. I'm proud of my children. I never had a problem with them. Understanding that the world is not perfect. We keep trying to get it right. And i'll tell you this anecdote about my other daughter. Two daughters episode in two daughters my other daughter the baby of the family one thing that made me really proud was i heard her telling her mother a story about a conversation at school that she might have been in like the fifth or sixth grade and it was an innocent story. White children had heard the inward. They didn't know what it meant. My daughter wasn't in a conversation but one little white girl said to the other little white girl. What does that word mean and white girl said. Oh it means black people so my daughter is then inserted herself into the conversation. She said no. That's not what that means. That's that's a bad word and that hurts black people when you use that word and they said okay then. They all went and jumped rope or something like that. But i was incredibly proud. When i when i heard that so. I never had a problem with much. Understanding the world isn't perfect but we've got a role to play and we keep trying. Keep trying. keep trying to capers. When i first saw that picture i was incredibly moved and i thought it was amazing that you're able to post that picture but it also made me reflect on the fact that many times children of color have to grow up early and we're not afforded that innocent to speak of a helmet from a very young age. We are known that we are different and we face many things may younger. Kids are as me enough to face. You mentioned your daughter. Her young age and grade school wasn't mature person. And explaining that word means this and this word symbolizes pain. Some sure she was in grade school but she already was mature enough to understand and to communicate those feelings. Fourteen year old kids black kids. Kizza color are being murdered and tried as adults. You know it it seeing this picture and you know made me feel all of these feelings and stand that. It's incredibly humbling to see this picture. It's incredibly amazing that your daughter had the maturity to draw a picture with so many different meanings and to show that as a physician a black physician we are standing strong amongst what seems like the world come crashing down on one side. Please rotel their side and you know a fire in the back you know i was truly truly touched on many different levels by this picture and you know i actually wanted to communicate that to you and i met you well. Thank you christian daughter christian capers. Do that. I'll tell her tonight. We very moved as my thank you very much after keepers. You've been described as a physician activist. Do you recall a particular moment in your journey through medicine that made you want to combine your desire to treat patients with improving the world around you with respect to justice inequality. Was there a particular moment where you kind of made that connection or break questions arena. I don't know if there was a particular question. Those two things came together organically because both of them were in me. Like i said always wanted to be a doctor and i always even as a child felt very tinley racial injustice and had a desire to do something to eliminate or reduce to a degree that i can racial injustice so the two of them just went so naturally within me but yeah even young age I wanted to do what. I can to make sure that people being treated fairly logical though for doctors to be activists because as i said before what we're trying to do is is heal our patients and make our patients better and their many examples in history of physicians. Feeling like they wanna do that with the world. They wanna make society better. They wanna he'll society and certainly one of the most malignant diseases in society is racism. So i think it's a natural for doctors to want to go beyond that patient in front of you and think about how society is impacting this patient and then wanting to do something and so being activists might be writing your congressperson. It might be joining the picket line. It might be marching. That you know might be picking up a brick and throwing it through a window. It might be using your your pan. I consider the paper that we wrote together a piece of activism. The town criers to say. Listen we still have. After twenty years we still have these racial healthcare disparities. Let me just give you a shout out is rena what we found and we'll be talking about in that paper. Was that over. twenty years. There have been more than three hundred articles in the literature describing. Black white disparities in cardiovascular. Care twenty year time period. Three hundred papers. But at the end of that twenty year time period and at the end of that three hundred paper things were no better than at the beginning of that time period. So just holding that up as a mirror and being town. Crier is a piece of activism. So you serena your physician. Activist doctor capers. We talked about that ninth grade picture of yourself and what that guy was thinking about at the time if you could you know right now. The arc of your career has been just absolutely exemplary. You've impacted so many people. You're a leader of a social movement. You're bringing out conversations that are changing the way we think about our colleagues and you've had you've had such tremendous success in area if you could go back in time. What would you say to that ninth grade version of yourself in terms of what or how could accomplish things in the future. Well first thing. I would tell him would be. It is really going to happen. Because even though i was a very confident and i felt like it was my calling until you actually get there. You know journey from ninth grade being a doctor in you although this they're multiple steps right so even though i was extremely confident they're always was at least in one portion of my brain this. I hope it happens. I hope it happens. I hope it happens. So if i could talk to at ninth grade or now i say look dude. It's going to happen. You can relax and enjoy the ride A little bit. It was very important to me. I think it is for many people for all of us really to be successful to be a pre planner. I did a lot of daydreaming. And i didn't daydream about the next step. Always daydream d- two or three steps ahead. And i really mean that so even though i knew i wanted to be a heart doctor when i was a pre med student college. I wasn't daydreaming about being a medical student. Daydreaming about being a cardiology fellow. And when i was a general cardiology fellow. i had fallen in love with intervention. Like you greg. I wasn't daydreaming about being an additional fellow l. daydreaming about being an individual attending so it was always daydreaming. Two or three steps ahead. If i say something to ninth grade quinn capers afford. I'd say keep doing that but also be sure to enjoy every stage. You know it's going to happen. Enjoy every stage. You're reminding me of advice. I got from a deer mentor. Subject i who my program director during residency and during our exit interview. When i was leaving baltimore to move to cleveland. He said. I want you to picture. Goal okay so your goal is the the end scene of a movie and imagine all the scenes on that real all the scenes to get to that end scene whatever that nc may be in and think about not just the ncaa. What each of those scenes look on the way to get to that goal and make sure that you plan your day your plan your activities that were you hit each of those mid scenes to get to that ultimate goals. I really appreciate that. I like that very much. Yep your mentor. that analogy dr capers. Been an amazing opportunity to chat with you. During the narratives and cardiology with the cardio nerds. We've learned so much. We've been enlightened. I think a lot of important messages today or were delivered. Things that i think will help. Change medicine moving forward. We thank you for your time and personally for me. And i'm sure you're going to feel the same way you know as an honor to be able to sit down and chat with you and get to do this all through the cardio nurse platform. Thank you very much. Thank you greg. Thank you amid. Thank you serena you you all are awesome. This is such an awesome platform and such an awesome project proud to be involved with it and thank you so much for. Let me have a conversation with you.

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183: A Deeply Warped Tour and a Random Dan

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183: A Deeply Warped Tour and a Random Dan

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O. dot com slash drink or use promo code drink at checkout for twenty percent off your first order. So. Let's see my story by the way. I'm very happier here I'm so happy I'm here last time. I surprised you in so. You weren't like mentally prepared this time we could both like get excited. This together. We got to text each other about it. Yeah. That was fine. I got to complain finally about the flight and everything I don't know how you did that without complaining the first time. Oh I find other ways of complete eva I got. Your emails I have plenty in my. My email address and just like an email I don't use anymore i. read your stepsister emails. Okay. So my story is Excuse me super short. I I tried my best to find more information, but I actually have been using a marvel Monday for evil also, and I've been asking people in there for like kind of immediate responses only is there a story I haven't covered love when people are so helpful in that I like I ended up, it ends up being a good thing and also not so good because the whole point is to like you know hang out people unanswered questions and it ended up working out for me because it was like a slew of like suggestions. Yes. Okay. But also everyone just watching these screen shot marvel Monday a million times. But anyway, this was someone. That this was from some of their recommended, it through marvel Monday. So this is the story of Well, it has like three different names. it's called the anti-gun Ghost, the antidote poltergeist, one of those two and then the fire Spook of Caledonia. Mills. And the Mary Ellen Spook Farm. So a lot of words that you just said Lotta words half your notes for the day. Yes I just actually have a copy and paste. I don't I just apparently just in case anyone's wondering like oehler to cover this ice wanted to make sure I got all the name. So it's all under one umbrella. Exactly. Yes. Also, if you can't no, I can't stop touching my hair 'cause it's going to long maybe you can perfectly long cut it in Diet purple and then it turns yellow. Yeah. Well, it did happen to me. Thank you for calling that out. To be fair people might comment. So yeah, let's just get it out of its post per turn orange yellow post purple purple went away. Okay. So this is the story of all those things. So this is in the nineteen twenties and this is in Nova Scotia Oh love love it up there. And so I think this is actually in Halifax. I was just telling blaze. THAT WE WANNA. Go back. I'm for our next anniversary when we can actually fly when I tell you I'm so jealous you've been to Halifax and it's been my dream like well, I do feel bad about that I did almost bring my Halifax backpack today though you wearing your beliefs one though. I'm always wearing something. You've given me. It's like you're like slowly just kind of. Ourselves. Not Slowly but. Not. Fully just injecting. Okay. So this is In Nova Scotia it's a farm. And it was owned by Alexander and Janet McDonald, although I couldn't stop things Zandi. So I thought Zandi the whole time we'll McDonald had a farm. Got It. Or? Now Built Poltergeist House. Go try to spell like Halifax or something, but that didn't work. nope. nope. NOPE and so it was Zandi and Janet. And Their fifteen year old daughter Mary Ellen hence the title, the Mariel and spook fraud. So the farm was near Caledonia Mills Hence, the Fire Speaker Caledonia Mills, which was twenty minutes southeast of answer Garnish Aki goes. Got It got. Yes, early, all of it in one fell swoop bear understood. So this is in December nineteen, twenty one and Zandi tended was standing to his animals and he noticed that all of his horses and cattle basically just escaped from the stalls Oh even though he knew he had secured their like. Their stables and all that they were just fucking out in the field and running around. No. which I don't know how as one person you than gathering them. Once you've gotten one aren't the others like just like. sheepdog are for right they like I get around them. I never saw anything about dogs. I just saw like he put them all back and it's like I feel like that was a really short sentence for a really large accomplishment. Why are we not giving him more of a trophy right right. It's like it's like doing something for what? I. Presume the entire day and then it's like Oh. Yeah not happen anyway he figured it out. Let's move on. So, he put them all back, Humble Brag I guess and then minutes later they just like all broke free again and at that point by the way I, would no longer be a farmer. That was too fucking much. I'm not going to go chase down like a dozen cows again. Although maybe he knows one of those tricks on Tiktok I learned that cows love corn and cows love like the trumpet or something maybe he knew some weird slick trick to like at the mall to him instead of played the trump. He. Was Is it a cornfield and just like. Donald. Trump. He waved his trumpet around. He just showed us. I'm so glad you're not a farmer for the rest of the world. I've just very happy that you're not far your badge they're like Oh what do we do with the sheep trombone? I played trumpet in Eighth Grade. Let me go get it. It's like my Ukulele is like pro. I'm probably skilled enough to handle like one goat you know. So, not only did he like okay. So he brought all the cattle back in for a second time and he also noticed that as he's bringing them in. A lot of their lake. They look. Like their tails in their manes braided like it's like. Something very intricate where like if if first of all, they just ran off themselves than there's no reason for that. But also got a perm at the went they went to the barber. But also if the barber was the one that was like releasing them, there would have been no time to also do not berating. He's trying to wrangle them, right? Okay. So it makes no sense if it were very weird, it makes sense if it were a person or the animals right either way it doesn't really add up and he also knows his at the starts happening all the time like he starts going into the barns and even if the animals are they're all of a sudden, there's like this. We have different hairstyles every time. Yeah. Okay. Like one hundred. Bob. Well technically horses always have Mohawks right because it's just like, no, they're not like up though they're like so you just have a relaxed mode. Yeah, you know. The. Falcon no I'm saying stop myself. So So not only are the animals acting weird but he also notices that they're starting to find things like ash in the cow's milk hill. So like that makes no sense I don't know if that means like fresh from the cow or like in their store milk quartz CLO- they're finding ash in it, but it should never it's never been there before that's no good and they're all starting to see figures walking around in their windows at night. He'll God and two neighbors actually saw a hand waving a white cloth from a window and nobody was home who Kinda like however trumpet to the cows. You attempting to get. Them back. Inside. and. what else? Oh, and then people start seeing a bright blue light coming from the Barn Oh which I imagine it's kind of like the alien kind of look like something's glowing. Yeah The McDonald's started losing stuff in a start going missing and things were like reappearing in random places for no reason. Even including like heavy farming equipment like the tractor wouldn't no one where it was and so the all this happening and then June six and our nineteen twenty, two that is known of the night of thirty eight fires Oh because now, things are just spontaneously combusting. And they're just ignoring all over the place in their house, not on the farm, but in their house. So the McDonald's are apparently like wallpaper and rugs and things that are not near Phlegm will flammable material are just bursting in. My God and then they put one out and then on the other side of the house opposite, another fire would break out and like including like wet towels like things that should not catch fire. That's not that's troubling and so apparently, there were at least thirty eight that night and they had even run over to the neighbors and had the neighbors helping them try to put the fires out all over the house and basically. It just went on all night if one ignited and they put it out, it would. And so. Even the neighbor said that it looked like the house was like short-circuiting and blue fire would just appear on random things for no reason like there'd be a flash of light in the room, and then all of a sudden would be on fire uh-huh and what was extra weird beyond like being on wet papers and wet towels, it shouldn't even be starting at all but the fires weren't hot at all what it was just the flame. Like like it wasn't. They weren't hot fires gate was one of those like Cannell from Costco where they dislike. Flicker but there's no. It was just actually just waving. And waiting for you like kind of like user unplug it. Okay. and. So That was odd I. Yeah. But also like in the grand scheme of things if you're going to have thirty eight fires in your house at least, it's not going to burn. Cold Right yes, you nailed it. And so a week later, the family at this point was still freaked out so they left and they moved in with the neighbor. and. We're neighbors like, no no, no please don't bring my towel. Weird cold fire. The the neighborhood actually started like a neighborhood watch specifically for these fires. People were taking shifts and monitoring the house for like riches random fire at any turn at any time on anything. except flammable items And so eventually, the press heard about this and so start spreading and only a couple of days. Later, this guy named Herald whitten he was an interview or he was a reporter and he came to interview them and he ended up coming a second time later to investigate on his own and stay in the House for three nights. Okay. and so when he went to go stay for three nights, he also brought Zandi with him uh-huh and. A local cop who is named Detective Picchi Carol. Fun I like it why not at least you're known as Peachy like you could be known for anything at least you're like jolly sounds like a positive I mean it's not necessarily like menacing like or assertive like you might want. Like like. Intimidating like makes like makes you feel like you're kind of in charge. It's like peaches arresting you. It's like although it could be that thing where your it's like a sarcastic because you're the exact opposite here comes peachy and he never smiles and he is your comes peachy he's GonNa. Fuck you up. So let's see. So he never smiles. He's GonNa fuck you. To. Mike he's a bad guy he's. Like he's like, yeah I imagine peachy like an cop comedy of like peaches the one that everyone he's like, grumble grumble the the the Karma Jn curmudgeon. Yes. That's I'm glad we landed in the ven diagram of the to the two extremes that we both have them not smiling to you're GONNA get fucked up right in the Middle Budget and that's peachy and that's a check on it. Now. Thank you, and so the first is that all three of them were in the house it was fine. But on the second night, apparently Herald Peachy heard strange noises upstairs and they didn't know what it was, but they couldn't fall asleep because noises were so loud and then eventually herald felt something slap his arm really hard to a point where he felt like under the blankets. Oh, he like he his arm was under a bunch of blankets and he felt the slap that well so. That freaked him out and he told Peachey about it and peach is like, yeah, I felt something on my arm to and they both the next twenty minutes felt something staring at them and they felt very uncomfortable. So peachy was at least not peachy then no. And so they like a freak them out and they told Zandi about it later and he had slept through the whole thing. He's like so used to it. Honestly I mean he lives there. Yeah. Probably just to whatever's going day to day. and. So Herald, the next day was too freaked out and so he. Ended up leaving. Early 'cause he. He's going to be there for three nights. I ended up leaving. And he his reports on the House of gained a lot of interest I'm GonNa take my hat off fix my hair. It's like, how do you do? It's the Sean Hunter I can do now remember when I used to have like spiky hair. Not Spiky, but I definitely couldn't do this. Yes. I do recall now it's like a nice luscious wave, a lush cloud if you well, the other day I'm literally. Well, I D I d I'm about something and I responded owes about your hair. Yeah and then you're like man I just learned how like voluminous and full my hair. Extra. Gradually, this must be nice I never because my hair was long. It was long I hated it. So it was always up and now and then the second I cut it. You always make sure I was gonNA keep I never got to experienced like the ven diagram middle if you will of like, Wow, I'm pretty how. You literally wrote Hashtag Blessed and I was like, yeah, there it is. I. Really I have realized I think my hair is probably my favorite feature about okay I'm feeling confident quarantine confidence. Go finally it only took a pandemic for me to find some self-interest. So let's see Oh. Yeah. So they got up on the arm herald left the next day and he ends up reporting on the house, and that's when it got kind of international notice. and. So because this was the nineteen twenty s was near the end of the spiritualist movement and of course Sir Sir Arthur Conan, doyle was interested. So he even came out I. Didn't see anything about Harry price or Houdini. Actually I think Harry Price did work on this I feel like I remember hearing about this for the first time when I was doing notes. For him so I think Harry price was had the scoop if you will But I don't know about that. So I know, Sir Arthur CONAN doyle was interested in another person who came out who was super interested was as parapsychologist in. New York and his name was Dr Walter. Franklin Pierce Okay and people knew him as kind of an ass but he was very well esteemed in the parapsychology world. So pretty much what his opinion was went was allowed to be an ass allowed to be arrogant. Yes. and so he came to investigate and he spent like a few weeks there and he invited herald comeback since he had had an experienced there, he also invited Leo. The, neighbor. And he invite like not the McDonald's by the way. Like their neighbor and. Maybe they didn't trust them. Outside sources actually in on this actually that makes let's put them to the side. So their neighbor came heralds the reporter came back and then a local random person named Dan. What about me? I guess we have room in the car. Yeah. They didn't explain his relationship at all. I imagine he just like popped on the scene who was like if you need a third. We don't. Need the kind of guy where you're like okay just don't tell. Like, what are we talking about? He's absolutely that person that you like leave out of the group. Few Funny Anyway, he always away in. A new group chat also because he was a local I said, he was a local, but the phrase that was actually using the notes because apparently. A Halifax resident like a local in Halifax is called the Haligonians. I'm fucking about that I like that I. didn't know that because when I first read it, they said and Jala. Goania named Dan sounds like an alien breed of alien or some it does a little bit in the best like eighty the plea what are they called? Thinking about fucking on so It kinda allegations. Canadian. Rock band just like billy talent like a tour a tour warped tour I. Love it helped indeed. Deeply. Warped. 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He had Dan and Herald try automatic writing who'll which I think is interesting to the story, but also I'm kind of. Of It because I've heard you talk about it and it doesn't sound like something you can just do it sounds like if the practice at right I mean I feel like you can anyone it's like one of those things I as far as I know, anyone can do it but you're right like you need to be like. In the right head space you're not day one. Yeah. I. Feel like it's something where you have to be. I mean, maybe if they followed the protocol, maybe Dr Prince was super super good at explaining the direction. Maybe Dan with. Some doubt Dan was good at following. Maybe. It was actually just like a secret. It's possible but so he decided that he wanted them to try automatic writing. So he told Herald and Dando hold pencils over the Basically, this is what he told them, which doesn't sound like very like narrow. Detail of instruction. Okay. He said Okay here's pencils put them over the paper and then spirits if you're around talk to I see so it doesn't sound like anyone's got even the spirit similarly get. Like what do you want me to slay already doing that we're setting fires they're like I don't WanNa work with Dan you. Oh. So anyway, they it sounded like. Like nothing really happened from that. Shock and later I think like six days later herald actually had to leave because he had to go report on a different story and so he said like I'm heading up before I. DO I have this really weird urged can you help me try do that automatic writing? Okay and so Dr Prints set him up with the. Pencil and paper, and basically for the next two hours herald just wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote. So he really went from like. Like grasshopper till like. full-blown expert So he wrote for two hours and to this day, we don't know what a lot of the messages said Okay because Herald was like, oh, some of those were really private and it's like, what is blind? and. So. Everyone wants to know more. Yeah, I was like, okay. Wait a definitely keep our injury. He's stirring me along but so he promised that the spirits wouldn't. Are You promised spirits he wouldn't say what happened but he he did give. We gotTa Sleep I. Really have a crush on Dan God was just Dan like whispering from behind the curtain making him think it was a spirit. Maybe that's why he was afraid to say something because Dan was next to him like they said some shit about Dan Oh, they're not having it with Dan. I'm not going that must be what it is So that being said, Herald, does claim that the spirits let him know that the fires were caused by paranormal events that they were responsible and nobody else in town He also got a message from his sister apparently who passed away and according to the messages. His sister said quote people must realize that those who passed beyond our ever present God is merciful. God is good. He is just spirits do visit the earth after death. Okay. Here's the thing I. understand that like I respect automatic writing and I think it's can be a really powerful tool. But. Also, it's probably the easiest thing to fake because you're literally imposing rise in just like getting a message from spirit and you could write like Dan Sucks and be I n say it yeah. Exactly. Oh. The Spirit World God is here and I mean you could just write that shit out exactly and my God my hair you're really gonNA have to cut my hair something. I've seen what you can do with your brothers go anywhere as up. You probably don't want me involved but so yeah, that's my thought to like day one. He didn't know how to do it, and then like six days later he's like Oh let me give it another whack at it, and now he's just writing. Figured it out. It seems unlikely seems a little much And so basically, it seems like none of the messages were negative in any way, which is good. If you're gonNA fake the writings at least you're saying Nice, things. but he did say that most of the messages were good and. When he did make contact with the spirits causing mischief. Excuse me. They did say that they wouldn't bother the McDonalds anymore. Okay. So fine. Good. So Dr Prince published this report in the Journal of American the American Society of psychological research like ICAL psychical research. Yeah. Otherwise, you look back at my face or I did not look like I knew it I was talking about I was like. Are Using. Site cyclical or something. Yeah. Hookah cycle who could forget when people still tweet me every day about that can forget. As PR? As. ESPN. So. He published his findings in that. Journal is the nineteen twenty, two version for people trying to find it. If you want to. But despite herald messages in like this automatic writing that was like so profound apparently Dr Princeton took away from it and you can read it in the reports that he thought that it the whole time it was the daughter Mary Ellen what is up with like same with the Mongoose like the daughters Stirring up some trouble. It's always like a fifteen year old girl who lives on a farm in the middle of nowhere who's board in the twenties. So cute. So fun so bored. So cute so fun. So bored. Yes. Longest in the wall I know he just repeated it but I needed it for the emphasis I liked it. I like watching you say it's more fun. I liked from USA. Okay moving. Okay. No Year so cute. Okay. So you say. Okay. where I'm just like lost in our love I forgot what else is new? So Dr Prince Does it was Mary Ellen. He also said he doesn't trust perils automatic writing and. What else? Glad glad I'm not the only one, but let's say, let's say it was real that dot Amac writing was real because Dr Prince was so a well like renown in. That field. Even if it was real because Dr Prince said, it wasn't really completely discredited. Life Sucks. So he can really just like Yay or nay something. It's the word of the which also went with Mary Ellen because as soon as you said I, think it's mary-ellen everyone assumed blame teenage girl yeah yeah and so. He said that. Even though the automatic writing was his idea he still doesn't trust that ever happened like there are some reports where he has like legitimately said he's denied flat out that story ever even happened. Oh. Wow. Even though apparently they maybe maybe the automatic writing did work and it was just like so personal shit about himself that he can't release this. Nobody can now your mother from beyond his comeback? told me all sorts of weird about me about you Dan so This is a quote from Prince that said the fires were undoubtedly set by human hands judging by the unmistakable signs left in the house. The Burns are never found the wallpaper higher than the reach of a person five tall. Which is the height of the girl in the family valid point I guess Mary Ellen came back and said, I have never set fires. I have never untied cat on the Barnes. I never played the tales of horses. I. Would have been too afraid to which same I don't WanNa get near a horse long enough. They kick you. Yeah. Yeah. Why would I let me touch every single one of their tails for a long time that I can rate it fully yeah. Give Him French bread and not a one will kick them in I. Don't believe that I've never played their tails. I would be too afraid to I. They claimed I had a boyfriend a sweetheart who did the WHO's at the fires and now they're saying I did it I. Tell You I don't care who Dr Prince is. He ought to be ashamed of himself Oh, hell yeah. She's fifteen twenty s so good for her. Yeah. Yeah. She stepped up and then Dr Prince later, kind of took it back and he said the. Before, he took it back Lenny before he took it back said Oh. Well, the Mary Ellen I met would have never been able to even make that statement about me because she had the mind of a four year old. What, who is this fella? Is a classic I guarantee assist under straight white man who got felt a little a little dowse of rejection or a dismissal and was like I will you're stupid. So anyway, that's what happened a jerk and so he ended up, I guess getting called out enough I think even other people thought that that sentence was way out of line and so he ended up taking it back and then he ended up saying, Oh, well it was still mary-ellen and she is not capable of doing those things because she's smart. She's so smart you guys but she was she definitely still set the fires because she was sleepwalking and or possessed. Okay wait. Okay. So he really just he's like an an a well esteemed expert in this and he is like, okay well, it was her boyfriend who by the way has never been mentioned ever in this storyline can't braid a braid someone's hair drive his life by the way, and then he was like Oh Mary Ellen. Also, she is a four year old never mind she was possessed or maybe she was sleepwalking also like the opposite of being because. I. Think it was his way of cushioning the blow of being like. Okay fine I'm going to stick with Mike quote that it was you. So I look stupid but I'll take the responsibility off your shoulders because if you were sleepwalking possess, you didn't mean to. Yeah but I just by accident. Sure? Sure. Sure. So some actually believe that like another common theories at the neighbors were setting the fires. There's all committing random acts of arson for no reason. But also number that blessedly the fires like. Normal fires also, I feel like if you set enough, if you sit thirty eight fires, someone's house like the houses Gonzo also, if my neighbor knows how to set a wet towel on fire, that's a bar trek of. Do it again. Don't tell me do. Talk. Talk Yeah unless it was like gasoline, right but. Anyway. Where was I? I don't know I. Don't know anymore. So one of the original legends that are not one of the original legends. One of the legends now to kind of set up the story is that apparently there was a guy who came to the farmhouse forever ago and he needed somewhere to stay for the night and when MacDonald sold him no, he like cursed their daughter and ran off into the night and they think, okay well, the legend now based on what Dr Princess Said Is. Oh, she was cursed whole time, and that's why she starts sleepwalking and being possessed in setting these fires inbreeding the hair, her horse's head, and just like also like practicing her breaks I mean when you don't have a sister or another friend out there with long hair, you gotta try on the Horse you gotta give it a low Bob. Especially when there's nothing else to do I be braiding I know every inch of that horses here. Funds aboard. So. Herald said just another way to kind of not discredit Dr Prints, but just to give you another perspective on. His. His Strategy Investigation Herald said, the doctor Prince acted really weird during the investigation He was already known to be super arrogant. He was arrogant with Mary Ellen saying that she was stupid and Basically, he just started acting really weird. Apparently the whole first night that they were there. He didn't even investigate it all. He just made himself like comfortable in someone else's house and demanding all this privacy and like didn't want anyone near Ham it's like counters like moved in. And then the. Nobody else was allowed to stay at the farm including the McDonald family, which now makes sense. You made a good point of like maybe they would have been. Maybe. They would have been messing around or like muddled up the investigation in some way. Although, at the time, apparently a lot of people thought that if you brought in the family. To, the haunted location, it would trigger activity, right. So I think for people who think that way it was weird that such an important in like well-known gator wouldn't do that I see. Okay. Interesting and so he also denied a herald did any automatic writing later on even though herald was like that was one of the most spectacular things that ever happened to me. So I definitely happened up there you Dr Prince when so first of all he never. Talked about the cattle or the braiding of the tales he never even cover that he would always kind of dance around that when asked and when Herald and Peachy were like what about when we felt that hand and her noises Dr Princeton that they were hallucinating because they were so cold that. Even though they never said they were they were hallucinating because they were cold like they were hypothermic like that doesn't make some no But so that all being said, Dr Prince did say that even though he didn't believe there isn't a paranormal stuff going on there except maybe a casual possession while she's sleepwalking. He did say that there were some weird things that happened in his office when he got back to New York just like some weird Knox and sounds that he wasn't used to. Okay. She's like, Oh that was kind of weird. Maybe something following me home but then we never heard anything else after that. But Three months after the investigation, the McDonalds moved back in support Leo their neighbor was like it's been three months. Please go back to your home. To three months later they moved back in and there was no paranormal activity for a while but then small little fires started again. and so because. So many people believe Dr Prince's reports of Being Mary, Ellen, the like local authorities took action and just arrested Mary Ellen Oh like our parents charge or anything they just said like you're committing arson in your own home my God and they brought her to. the Nova Scotia home for the insane my God and the newspapers dubbed her the Fire Spook. That's awful. So she like was just hanging out brain her horses tails, and then all of a sudden she is no. But away in an institution because someone decided to say that she was arson and everyone darkness innocent people believe it's awful So she was released a little bit later but it was noted that whenever she did for the rest of the time that she lived. In that house, she would go into we're transis at night apparently, and apparently little fires would start around her oh. Okay. Wow. That's creepy and like in areas where fire's don't start. So she'd be walking all of a sudden. It'd be a fire just kind of like popping up behind her God although I don't know if that's local legend or that straight from the McDonald's mouth but. that. was mentioned And now always. So she later moved on -Tario there was no more activity on the farm after she left but then the family later moved in the farm fell into disrepair and some stories say that the farm itself mysteriously on fire one day and the whole thing just kind of burned down who was bound to happen listen full circle closure but a the. Local legend now is that the whole land is cursed if you ever take anything from that property than you are bringing the fire spook into your home and things will start catching on fire. Oh no which apparently, there was one woman who did take cup in her house later caught on fire I don't know how soon after but it did catch on fire and burnt down. and local investigators have said that the curses very real one group said quote this curse has been tested by regular everyday people who have put things such as shingles or bricks in their sheds in their backyard like just picking up a random thing and putting it kind of near the house and it catches on fire what it will the buildings will always catch. This is so weird. So the McDonald's were, described by people as quote straightforward substantial and God fearing i. think this was actually Peachy who I firmly believe that neither the fires nor the strange occurrences about the farm were caused of Human Hands Oh and Herald. The reporter said quote I will believe to the hour of my death at the fires and Alexander McDonald's house and the mysterious on fastening his cattle were caused by spirits. So Oh Except Dr Prince thinks that it was spirits. Dr Prints. Thanks it was mary-ellen. Think Dr Prince knows what it is but he something. At this point maybe. He was just fucking Dan I think he something somebody caught onto something and he wanted to put that all behind him. The sounds like a conspiracy anyway ways like that. Never happened I don't know eighty who it's a mystery. It's a mystery. Honestly, if you don't believe the story may be go take something from the. Tell us what property and then throw it near Your House. Not Ours got. Throw, don't put it in our hopes threat tyrannies house. Well thank you him. Listen Ice Spooky Spooky story, we'll. Eerie we'll eerie in theory Great. Well, I have a story for you as well. Excellent. Oh. Okay. We can just both do that then. I don't know I really hear me a main, a main I, needed. I, need her to braid my hair. I. Knew I wasn't trouble I started doing the Justin Bieber thing and I was like, Oh my God we got. Too Far was like we're the scissors. Okay I'm sorry for you. This is the story of the Whitaker family murders I. Love It. Okay. Never Mind I was going to say I love of family murder now. Not. What that out of contact no I love stories. I, assume this is similar to other family murder cases. You've told like the bloody benders or What was the one I said a while ago where everyone was found in the barn I I li- hinder effect the hinder. Yeah I I don't know why but that. Genre Genre I yeah. It's very specific. I like those the most because usually I guess I think authors a disappearance are murder. It's got to be someone there related to and the title alone takes that Roemer out for me right now now now, it's like a bigger mystery. Yes. Yes. I agree with that So where if okay, I found this on a so I found this cracked article on cracked. Love me to come. Back to Be Clear. This is a very easy to just pick and. I love family murders and crimes. That is not our stance on the issue Okay. 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Controversy thing and I went what is it and I went and read the and they were very nice who posted this like they weren't critical or anything but they were like I don't know if I'm in crecy know this but because we talk about that website a law or what's wrong with apparently the guy who creates the blog or the page and he ain't hosts a podcast which I didn't know there was a podcast but I guess he has the podcast. Let's just say, here's some troubling viewpoints. Made it very clear in some of his tweets and his podcast that he's kind of just a terrible racist assholes. So I really good to know. We did not know that Okay. Glad. We found out apologies all around. Yeah, and I didn't even know there was a podcast but apparently that's kind of where this stems from. That's where he kind of workouts his own means he lets himself really color I love family murders. But he got but like in reality some of this stuff, and apparently it used to be kind of more conspiracy theories and fun stuff and now it's like conspiracy theories that are troubling and not. Just not in line with anything that we really believe you look it's not cute. It's not fun It's not boards not boring I tell you that and then I went on his twitter I was like, yeah, this daily we're GonNa talk about the CHEESECAKE I. Also can idea corrections corner to of course it's not really I. Don't think entirely necessary because I've already made my case pretty clear in the at least amongst the marvel Monday community But so a lot of people have been tweeting me saying that I an English speaker by the way. Does not. Do Not Spanish when I was talking about the island of the dolls I kept saying Don instead of Don Hulian I was I was saying. Short for Don ran for short I was don instead of who I am because apparently dawn is saying like Mr is the the guy. So I will say one English as my first language. Second. And a lot of people were nice about they're like we know you don't know just so. I would like to credit my my research on. Bagel bites who kept saying done, and so I assume that was direct your future correspondent. So according realize that I should look elsewhere research wise then. Zaka Pedia so Just just. So we know that I was I heard on a million times and I don't think I heard Hulan Lot side Kinda ran with it but LAU. Okay. So just clear secondary incorrect information that you got from an incorrect source as far as I'm concerned he brought maybe he was saying I swear I kept hearing right just ran with it and Donna's is an. English name. So I just Yeah Donald Trump they don and Dan all our characters and the show anyway I am aware of it. So you don't have to guess about it but I appreciate you know this appreciate the Spanish speakers trying to educate me a little bit. Yes. 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But like just a heads up to everybody else maybe they'll see this and thankfully somehow the universe put it in my g mail I. don't even know how it ended up there. But so thank you for the update. We now know. Serious. Universe. Let's not let's just let's just say in our own universe. Wait a minute. Hey. Universe my world was just our. Own version of troubling I. Love that stays in your own universe. Wait a minute instead of stay in your lane. I'm so sorry I did not mean for that to become like just a huge like No fourth karate's and be said cracks section Oh. There we go. Listen wait a minute eva right that you're seeing you really on it. Like a correction. Like Sudoku I feel like I could accomplish the numbers. I feel like I. What is something I could accomplish normally, I couldn't and I guess it's the Doku is where my brain immediately goes. So let's Take that. Okay and just make your own some students. I'M GONNA go back to my. Own. Universe. I'm so sorry let us talk about this family murder that excited. About right. So I will say I got a lot of information from a super great episode of the Generation Y. Podcast who was at Kraken the year we were good times good times There was a great right up in people Newsweek and on medium, and so those are just the main means sources. So the takes in sugarland Texas. Already love it in two thousand and three sugarland sugar busters from there. magical place. So there's this family. Their names are the whitaker's, and they're pretty standard like well off white upper middle class family comprised of parents can't and Tricia and their two sons twenty four year old Thomas Bart goes by Bart and nineteen. Year. Old. Kevin. So or for four people, two sons and just kind of your average like well to do voight Texas family. So in December of two, thousand three, the family went out to celebrate Bart's graduation from college. So he was graduated with honors that month from Sam Houston state and his family was super excited because at this point, he was twenty four and they were like, you know he did it like heave he's finally getting his degree So they went out to a place called Pado, which is a local Cajun restaurant to celebrate. And they had a great time. There's even a photo of lake him holding up a plate where they right in like chocolate by saying congratulations which and I'd like for me for. My finger on and I'm like I don't know if that's allowed or not. But I do that when they give me that. Actually they never give me the Congr- it's always for someone else and then I put my finger on it. Anyway. That's cute. Charming. It's really nine. Especially, during a global pandemic. Just reminds me of the carbon. Okay Courageous Toronto Fuck you will literally never was made eating it isn't a reason. Up Are you still eating. You had the nerve to pressure me to drink. Yes I'm sure the depression, the host of and that's why we drink to drink my husband's birthday party. I was so mad I saw that I saw Carville and also we also I were the last people at that party and I was like, fuck? Yeah like I beat everyone else beat the shit out of this case survived the gauntlet had the Kate I was like, thank God you didn't like present this when everyone was here I would have gotten a sliver now I get a whole fucking cake but it just. Still eat it you really I cannot. Thirty in your house. I'm covered in dog for now. So no I can't. See I'll eat it and you're like, that's not proving I know everyone is thinking like. Three million. But I have to think about it every day so. and has to think about it because it was so traumatized. Curve Okay Kottayam. cheesecake in a few hours. Okay. Okay. So anyway. A Cajun restaurant and as a graduation present Bart's parents give him with a four thousand dollar Rolex casual day. They asked later like, why did you give him a in the dad was like he really wanted it. I was like me to. This. Oh my God. I'm like my car was less than that. One I I bought my first car anyway. Okay. Oh my gosh. In any case just to give you an idea of of their lifestyle and everything. So for those dollar rolex. After dinner they returned home and Tricia the mom and Kevin the nineteen year old brother they headed in first to the house while bar realized he had left his phone in the car and ran back to grab it. As he turned back toward the house, he heard gunshots, Ou tricia and Kevin had come face to face with a masked intruder who was in their home who had shot Kevin I right through the chest. Oh. My God then shot Patricia right in the chest and Kent Been. Kinda waiting on bar rushed into the house to see what was going on and he turned right as the guy shot and shot through shoulder so he was shot but not in the chest. So then obviously Bart Russian afterward confronted the intruder and they kind of struggled and he got shot in the left arm as they fought than the shooter exited through the families back door jumped the fence and escape the property. So a neighbor heard the commotion came over was trying to stop the bleeding with their own t shirt call nine, one one, and Bart the the oldest brother called nine, one one shortly after and unfortunately nineteen year old Kevin died almost instantly with for chess right in the chest. Within minutes of being shot he and Trish his mom were airlifted to nearby memorial Hermann, hospital and Unfortunately Patricia Tragically died shortly thereafter as well. So Kent and Bart, their injuries were not as there in the arms. Yeah. The shoulder in the arm So they were rushed to the hospital and they both survived their injuries. The bullet that hit can't hit six inches from his heart. So it missed any vital sure portions of that good good question Mark Right. So. One first responders asked for information about their attackers bar told them. He believed the gunman was black and they said Oh like, why did you think that if he was in a mask and he said, Oh, I could see like through. Ask Yeah like through the whole. So they were like, okay Then they put them in the hospital and they were like time to recover you know police were like, okay. This must've been a burglary gone wrong So they went and examined the scene and they found that Kevin nice year old Kevin's gun safe had been pried open with a blue crowbar and the murder weapon had been left behind and it was registered to Kevin. So whoever had broken into the house head pried open the state, the gun safe taken the gun out and use that kill the family and moral left the gun at the scene. A little strange that they left the murder weapon behind and even though the gun was left behind, Bart's cellphone had been stolen to like the one he had gone out to grab and brought back into the house. So they were like a little bit odd So wait. So the phone was still did it was the phone actually legitimately in the truck or in the car? Yes. So he had gone and grabbed it and was walking back with it, and then he got to fight with the. So one thing that I thought was maybe that the guy went to grab the gun and excellent grab it. I also saw the cell phone it was like an old school. Early, two thousands like big block phone. Like maybe he went to the gun and described the phone, I didn't realize it. They shall something and just grab for it. Right so not they weren't sure but it was just a little bit odd. Do you think it was not knowing the answers yet? Do you think this guy wanted to actually kill them or do you think he broke into the House wanted to get into the safe for money right found A gone and was like, Oh, well, this is my way out of here in case they catch me. So at this point, right so at this point, that was what they were thinking is this guy got in to rob the place just money will reaching for money was found the safe you know grabbed the weapon out of it. So that's kind of like the the initial view that that police had of this situation. at the hospital Kent Bar grappled with what had just happened especially can't the dad he later described having. Laid on the ground and he heard his wife like still alive I can't imagine awful. Yeah like. And what he said was he called out to everyone in his family and she he called out to her and he just heard her like gurgling basically said I didn't know what I didn't like basically I didn't know that I would know the sound of someone with blood in their mouth would sound like and he's like, but that's what I knew. What was happening I mean it was really really traumatic. So he said he instinctively knew the some sound of someone trying to clear their lungs from filling with blood wishes just like the most horrific thing So bar both Kent and Bart were obviously angry. They told investigators they wanted them to catch whoever had done this to their family Meanwhile, investigators like looked at this as like a pretty basic robbery, but somehow they just like couldn't the kept hitting dead ends left and right so house was robbed pretty close to that to their house pretty soon after police were like, Oh, well, it's probably the same guy 'cause I guess sugarland Texas doesn't have a lot of you know violent crime and so another house nearby was rob soon after and they were like, oh. Let's probably the same guy but. Didn't pick up that man sent the whitaker house at all and so they had to determine like well, there's nothing to go off of here because there's no indication that this man was in their house. So the lead skater, his name was detective Marshall Slot and he took a closer look at the crime scene and that's when he began to notice some inconsistencies. Let's say. So, in an interview with CBS News, he explained in the master bedroom that dressers an armoire all had drawers open on them, but they were all open an equal distance. It was very neat and orderly. Yeah I get like a a burglar with OCD maybe. It's just gotTa make sure it's all right. Perhaps they were like this doesn't strike us as your traditional burglary in that it looked like someone had just opened the doors but like. Smiling and right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like it was almost intentional that they were trying to make it look like a burglary. Aka Stage. So not typical of robbery and additionally the safe that housed. Kevin's gun. So the safe that the killer had pried open with the Blue Crowbar? was in a pretty remote part of the. House. So the burglar had gone directly to the safe as if they knew where it was, which was strange because like how would you believe in your house like yeah exactly. Know exactly where this safe was and again they left a murder weapon they had left all the electronics in the house, but they had taken bart cell phone. So they're like this is just a weird right so far I. I. kind of understand the argument of like maybe guy he was grabbing, Gara but like if it was like a Nokia phone or something could felt like, yeah, like John Yeah so So I watched the friend said on this too, and they actually had photos of the drawers and like you said I mean it was really. So it says like, Oh, they were open like an equal amount. They were literally open like an equal. It wasn't even like Oh, they were just and not rifled through may they were open like very specifically? So is just really strange. Tipped it over or something and all the tourist. But then if push it up like some of them are going to close a little more others like it's too precise. Yeah. Exactly. And then that also done that by the way. Okay. What happened what that were? You stuck your you got your head stuck in something. You were this was like a couple of months ago or something. Putting. It on backwards and he didn't believe me was what it was a dresser and he was putting on the panel backwards and I was like trying to prove it to him and he didn't believe me and said look I'll show you and I put my head into showroom the back he works at a hospital he's like he comes home with so many thoughts of like how do people get in these stupid fucking situations then you're like look I'll put my head in to prove a point and then he's like Christine take. Your head out and I was like I can't and he's like using take your don't be an idiot, take your head out and I lit like how your ears get stuck then and he was not a thing and I was like, of course, the thing like have you never stuck your head to a banister and he was like, no and I was like, Oh, well, I have and he was like that doesn't help me like you get your head out and then I started crying because I was like laughing and was frustrated. And also ahead, you probably wildly CLAUSTROPHOBIC. I was like Oh. This is not where I want to be at this very moment fighting with my husband, but also my head is stuck in addressing I'm not winning the argue when you got out board, the dressers were the the drawers like unperfect percents. That might confirm something about this. Oh my God. Yes. So then I proved that he was putting it on backwards. So I put my point job. You're right. That's Bullshit Christine thing everywhere. I'm like I will literally do anything to prove that I'm correct which is just so messed up by being correct he did something so I myself. I caused more problems than it than there were before look I'll stab myself prove that the nicest shark. Okay I do it I mean that's like I. I know I'm sure tillis story. But like when I was two I jumped into traffic, I ripped away from my mom's jumped into traffic almost got hit by van and my mom was like why the hell did you do that and I was like, Oh, I wanted to see if you cry if you'd cry if I were when I was dead and That's me trying to prove. Tick Tock right now like a sound but about a by. Someone going like I'm not going to bash are like everybody else, but she needs a lot of psychological evaluation. I literally was two years old and I was like, well, this is going to be a long eighteen years by two year old said I want to know if you would cry when I die I'd be like well, let's get in the car and go to. My parents that point on my sister now has much. She's much more advanced world as far as therapy at that point, my life nineteen, ninety three, I was not a was not ready I think the world was not ready for it wasn't really ready for therapy sessions the dresser wasn't Helped me. Okay. Anyway. So they're looking at this case in there like something's weird about this scene something's off we just can't figure out what it is and then a strange tip came in. So there was a journalist covering the case and he had made a strange discovery. He called the university the same university to figure out what degree Bart graduated with in the university was like he is not enrolled at our school. And the journalists was like wait what like I was just calling to verify that he was getting a criminal justice degree also think about like that journalists who is like I found a fucking Hook nobody else? Yes. That's the ultimate scoop. Our story is going to be the one exactly and he I'm pretty sure he was in the forensic files up so. I like. Yeah. So he made that discovery and he's like, Hey, police turns out he like isn't at university not only did he not graduate? He was still listed as a freshman on academic probation. So since his freshman year had not advanced twenty four and he's twenty four, he'd basically been living in a townhouse that his parents were paying for like partying it up not working pretending he was in school. So just bad look big red flag. Doesn't. Not Cute Cute. of course, his dad was like angry hurt confused and like all honestly pissed 'cause he's like listen like now they're looking at you like why on Earth would you have lied to us about this and when investigators asked why lied told them? He needed a break from school, but he didn't want to disappoint his family and he felt a lot. Of pressure we've seen this before I can understand yet in some cases still fishy in this scenario it's right now fish right now it's not good. This is not a good look. Yeah. So when Bart was released from the hospital, he moved back in with his father the two of them live together and underwent what Kant called a seven month discipleship. where according to ABC News they spent almost everyday together reading the Bible, discussing their faith like kind of coming to terms with what happened to their mom wife. And son slash brother. And it was like this father son bonding experience that can't said brought them extremely close and they were trying to like recover together, basically and then in the summer of two dozen, four police caught a huge break in the case when a man who claimed to be a former roommate of Bart's contacted police said so few years ago just a heads up bar asked me to help kill his family. Oh. And this a friend of his? Bart's former roommate called the police and said, Hey, I feel like you guys need to know this information the a couple years ago. Here's some hot guy. I know that journalists already found some scoop ice cube of my own. while. Yes. So he said a couple years ago like this is not the first time you know. The notion of his family being killed has been brought up. He's like fears earlier had asked him to help kill his family, the wildest parties, his parents knew about that. But his parents kind of looked at it. He was like I was drunk we were joking it was a misunderstanding and so his parents were like, okay and they all moved on. So. Double. Red Flags Bashar like everybody got. A LOT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL So like just not good. What's worse is only three days later bark disappeared. And he disappeared from his Bible Study with his dad, he just like vanished and his dad was like, uh-huh. So on the Lam he's on the Lam has dad like head had kind of suspicions growing that Bart may have been somehow involved in the murder of the family, but he didn't fear for his own safety because he is like building a bridge to each other got shot in the shoulder you know and he's like, but we're building a to forgiveness but then the second bart with gone can't said things began to crash down around him because he knew if his son were innocent, there's no reason he would've just like wrote lead just because there's like a little suspicion thrown his way so. Police didn't know at the time and Kent didn't know at the time but Bart had fled to Mexico. Meanwhile his dad's left behind like grappling with the fact that his son probably had his entire family killed and like had him almost killed right so he's up there dealing with that and meanwhile Bard is in Mexico. So in the generation Y. Absurd I listened to Aaron Justin described Bart's time in Mexico and like they did a really good job of telling this whole story which I didn't really see in a lot of other places. But apparently had taken like anywhere from seven to ten thousand dollars from his dad in cash and had bought an ide- off a guy who was a busboy at Workers Country Club. and His name was Rudy Rios so he bought this idea of really RIAs. and. According to forty eight hours, he settled in a town called salvo where he found a girlfriend and found work at her family's furniture shop. And historian when he got to town was basically that his mother was a sex worker, he was essentially an orphan like he'd been abandoned and that he had sustained this bullet wound while fighting in Afghanistan. So he was like this like local hero who had come in from America and needed to be taken in by families. We had a girlfriend and her family took care of him. He worked at their shop I always think about the like the new girlfriend or the new partner of like someone who just comes in mysteriously. Imagine how shattering. For them or they're like Holy Shit that's where you came flying wouldn't you just trust? But like yeah, it's especially if I found out allison is like a serial killer be like wow i. you'd look at me and go what have you. That would I would kind of be the central point of that issue also be like, wow I she probably wanted to kill me so many times. Somehow Yeah, as far as I know Allison's in the clear. Okay. Just up way. Across. So apparently like wall, he was down there living with his girlfriend's family she and her mother got into an argument she was really upset and she later said like she didn't know anything was wrong with him until this argument happened between her and her mother and he just looked at her and matter of factly said, oh. Well, we can just kill your parents. Oh, and she went sorry what and he was like well I know you're upset and you got into an argument like we can just will take very quickly very quickly. His true colors were shown escalate real fat right and she was like I. Don't know think that's like noticed a little angry darling but yeah, I don't think that our I know not to make you man. So that was his solution. So it was more than a year after bar had fled to Mexico before police made another huge break and this went they had no idea where he was apparently barreds neighbor whose name by the way Steve Champagne who and I was like I. I'm sure I didn't hear that right manolas. Deep. Champagne and it's spelled Steve Champagne. How and I love the Steve Yeah and then all. The phone. So Steve Champagne the neighbor came forward to police and confessed to being involved in the whittaker family murder explaining that although he was a getaway driver bar had been the master the mastermind behind all of it. so He'd own investigators at Bart had lured his family dinner to celebrate his fake graduation from college and as they celebrated Champagne said, he was in the car in the parking lot while roommate a guy named Chris Chris Bashir Chris Brochiere sorry a head in Bart's SUV outside the house. Then sheer entered the house disabled. The alarm with Code Bar had given him waited for the family to come home. Shot them all and he knew where the safe was because Bart Hatorah. Hey, my brother's gun safe is here. I guess. It didn't even cross my mind that like Oh. Yeah. He didn't. I should have known so much earlier in the story if I just used my brain like five percent more of like if he'd never graduated than, yeah y y did he he would have known this graduation. Yeah. He lied to his family. He said, oh I finally graduated also I know her Yeah I put that early part of the story. It's because it's it's hard to because why would that even be I? Guess maybe I excused as he felt guilty and played yeah. Because I'm sure that happens to young but also there's a photo which is so chilling an hour before his family is murdered, there was a photo taken of him and his brother and in he's literally flicked like flipping off whoever's taking the photo and like smiling his brother but he's giving the finger and like you don't even notice it until you like look closely near like, oh no, he's intentionally. Giving the finger to whoever's taking this photo and like smiling, and he knows that in about an hour, they're gonNA old people are going to be killed. Wow I can't even not that I want to. But if I like if I tried to put myself in that place and sit with everyone in, know what was going to happen I mean like it's A. It is what? The anyone's brain could go. There is just while Bananas Bananas so basically he shot the family Chris did and then he said he later said that before he fired the first shot at Kevin, he thought he saw him smile briefly because he was kind of just like surprised or like thought it was a prank or like. Back which like that chilled me I. Don't know it's thought. That was so disturbing. So after shooting the first three members of Whitaker family, he and Bart wrestled or fought, and he shot him in the arm which was planned like Oh to take the guilt officer Bart. and. Then when asked When asked what motivated his involvement Steve explained that Bart had told them his family was worth a lot of money and that he promised the millions of dollars. If they helped pull this off with the kicker is they had not gone one cent like they literally shut his own family and then he was like anyway, thanks and that was like we'll they're not gonNA cover for your ass now if I got you like didn't even pay them right? It's like hold up you're under the bar guy like what what do they have to be like I'm going to defend this guy right while also Imagine his quote luck of like being able to have two roommates and they were found in a roommate who are on board with us to begin with like you. It makes me think that he must have. Pitched the idea of his family. To multiple people before he found he didn't try on the first time. That's a great idea. You know there's probably a lot of people out there who? Who have been propositioned for him? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point that I had not thought of laying who else had heard about him. Jokingly talking s you know. So according to twenty twenty barrhead told Steve Champagne the getaway driver after the shooting that he wanted to finish off the job and really kill his dad the next time that they did this. So he just wasn't even like Oh. Thank God. My Dad actually survived he was like, no I wish he had died. He was like sitting through his discipleship. Bible study exactly how that's actually said, right so if they had any doubt deceive story, they didn't after he led them directly to the lake where they had thrown a Duffel bag full of evidence after the murder including the blue, crowbar a water bottle and Bart cell phone. So they basically like dredged this lake I don't know if that's the right word they they searched the bottom of the lake and even though it was under water for two years, they were able to take this bag and get DNA off of the mouth of the water bottle that belongs to Chris Bashir who was the shooter. So now they're like, well, shit we really tied this all to them. Wow. So at this point, they finally have enough evidence to pin this on Bar, but the problem was they didn't know where the hell he was 'cause Mexico but then a good guy named Rudy Rios showed up yeah and he couldn't resist ten thousand dollar reward. Why would you? Why will you like knowing like I? Don't know if he knew he probably didn't know at the time when he sold his I d like what rights guy had done was like getting him a year or something yeah exactly. By the way I don't mean to keep interrupting but I wonder and maybe someone out there knows but like So. Does he just become get immunity for like what he did? who like this rudy guy for like because I imagine he could get arrested for like giving someone a fake id I don't think it was. I don't think it was just like it important enough to be charged I 'cause I wonder if you're part of it in some way and you did something mildly illegal that you didn't know was part of a bigger story I. think since he was like you WanNa come forward like call yourself out or I don't know especially because he was like, Hey, by the way I know where he is I just didn't know right done. So I don't think they ever had any intention of like getting him in trouble for it. Okay. and I think it was just a mild thing of like Oh my was expiring. So he just like gave it to him in A. Anything deeper than that Gotcha. But yeah, that's a good point. But he did come forward and say like, Hey, I know where he is and although he managed to hide out in Mexico for fourteen months, Bart was finally arrested shortly thereafter and now that they had him in custody police asked why the hell he had done what he'd done to his own family and he matter of factly told police he one hundred percent guilty and then he did it because he hated his parents and his brother. Okay share. The prosecution when this went to trial the prosecution claim that Bart wanted access to his family's wealth, which was estimated at more than a million dollars and bar does deny this but also I'm like I don't care what eighty is. I. Don't trust him. He's not trustworthy person. during the trial was also revealed that Barr had tried multiple times to offer his own family. So like there were these that attempt that we talked about earlier, but it came out that there were was at least one prior plot into thousand. Bart had had a couple of his acquaintances from Baylor University break into his own home to kill his family. But when the alarm went off, they fled so like he attempted this before wow, like full-on attempted it the gunman crisper sheer by the way is white and Bart had like lied intentionally about being like, Oh, I saw he was black Turned into a rabbit hole of issues rogoff the case right So that was just like worth pointing out of like he was just from the beginning like planning this out and trying to throw the investigation. Obviously. So Chris Bush. His name is really hard to say, I do not know why. Chris Brashear. Okay. So Chris Brochure pleaded guilty to murder. He was the shooter and was sentenced to life in prison and Steve Champagne. The getaway driver took a plea deal with a fifteen year prison sentence in exchange for his testimony because he's the one who Kinda came forward. Like I said Bart testified he was one hundred percent guilty. But in somewhat of a plot twist. So this is why this cracked article about. been. Told you the crack? Plot twists. Okay. True. Crime Stories, major plot twists. Full circle here. We just said, we left crack. Yes. So plot twist Bart Stab took the witness stand to plead for his son's life. And despite his pleas, the jury sentenced to death for the murder family and so can't was wholeheartedly against outcome he he was like, I think this is an unjust sentence for my son because neither Bart's late brother or mother would have wanted him to die for this. Show Mike who know how do we know that? But okay, I guess you wouldn't want your own some die but also you wouldn't want your son to kill you. So know it's just a weird change scenario. Things are a little bit off balance. But in any case he explained the most important thing for him was to find out the why the situation like why bar felt motivated to destroy his family and caused pain Nores and caused pain in his conclusion was that Barr had built empty inside hadn't been able to accept his parents love or understand emotion he felt defective and broken, and so he spent years learning to forgive his son basically and he says like through his faith, he was able to heal because he was able to forgive. So I mean I'm happy for him that just like he was able to move right despite like, I, don't. Know this is all a lot if there's a silver lining or a good yes it should be lad find some peas. Yes. Like key and he got remarried and he said he was only able to find happiness by forgiving his son which I'm like okay. Good for. That's good. But do that I don't either I don't know if I could do it and that's why this is just like the ultimate plot twist I, guess so. Meanwhile according to detective slot who was on the case since the beginning he said the only way he can reconcile what part did is by including he is associate path I'm personally inclined to agree because in response to detective Slot Statement Bart simply said well, then I am what I am. Oh okay. uh-huh. Okay. In February of two, thousand eighteen but was scheduled to be executed by lethal injection that day mere minutes before the execution was scheduled to take place all of Kent's effort hits add efforts paid off and Bart was spared the death penalty by the Texas Governor Greg Abbott. When bark the news in the small holding cell that was literally feet away from the death chamber he told prison officials I'm thankful not for me but for my dad, any punishment that I would have or will receive just but my dad did nothing wrong the system worked for him today and I will do my best to uphold my role in the system when showing. Bart sentence was commuted to life behind bars without the possibility of parole and to this day Kent remains wholeheartedly on his son side He's now remarried like I said he will leave having given his son like brought him happiness in two thousand eight. He wrote a book called murder by family in which he walks through the entire ordeal from like the pain at the beginning to how he has managed to forgive his son and according to ABC News Kent's book details the letters he and Bart have written over the years while Bart was in jail um and on death row including one he wrote to bar that ends with my son I love you all is forgiven. And that the story. How I think my favorite part is of the beginning he said, yeah, these stories are interesting because like it's immediately taken out that it's someone that they are. Eating, my word boy. Here we go. Well plot still liked to I still couldn't figure it for a while side. tipsy topsy turvy. Tops today we'll be in. Is Miss Christine Yeah. 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Everybody up here that he met a fool a big kick out of their indian wrestle. No way this on the street wear on the street. I wear football game and Because a lot of people laughed. Like you're doing now at me like i'm a run out laughing at you. I know you take all the spirit of good grief. Run to seems to stay rather ridiculous for a grown man To be parading around in a there so like this. It's not a bear suit. It's a cuddly bear suit out of Very soft fabric and they have to be a pretty good man to fill this out. I'm probably the biggest godly better. I guess you certainly. We'll keep you warm on a call. Dan grid laughing again Well manly Next game very funny guy who we look on with very funny manley chadli ladies and gentlemen like the program anyway. I'll tell you that right. Now bob rae. On classic radio theater can find our website. Classic radio dot stream are podcasts. Always available anywhere find. 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Now here's your host. Why it cox bennett killed. Pack starring mr keen tracer of lost persons. And the case of the rush. Bill murderer this episode originally broadcast january fifth nineteen fifty gentleman aniston and karmanos present mr keen tracer of lost person one of the most famous characters of american fiction. One of radio's most thrilling drama night and every thursday at the same time the famous all investigator takes him as violence brings to us. One of his malzahn a-rated missing persons cases tonight's cases in the case of the rush though murder. And now mr king and the case of the rush though are seen opens and the home of dr prentice around on physician and psychiatrist who resides in the small new jersey community of rush though the not does daughter a tall lovely young gal reaching for the telephone which has been ringing insistently as aware of the agency of this particular. Hello father. But i'm coming home after i hang up be sure to shut and doors and windows one of my patients justice from a hospital. She's a homicide maniac. Laura and extremely dangerous. I wanted to tell you right now. You'll do as i ask this insane. Patient of mine is under the delusion that i'm her enemy and she may end for the house immediately. I've already informed the police. Don't let anyone inside the house. I'll be only twenty minutes. Laura shut locked all the windows. Who say no. Don't touch me Donohoe was found by the police. Five minutes after. I had phoned mr kim. She'd been stabbed to death with a kitchen. Hilmi with all the windows and doors and your home locked to put his no mistaking the windows were shut. But apparently laura never had time to lock the back door. That leads to the kitchen before. Natalie cravenly insane patient reach the house sense for service apprentice. You're saying patient seem to have your home immediately after escaping from the hospital. Yes that's a little odd in itself. But i told you how this patient felt about me was king. I treated her for a mental disorder for two years but she developed a fixation about the and began to feel that i was her mortal enemy. You're devoting your time to bring back to sanity. Yes mr key at one. I meant dr this. You were in the hospital. The time of the insane woman's escape now if she wanted to muddy you. Why didn't she attacked you. After you left the building. Why did she come to your home instead. Attack your daughter. The mind was psychiatric. Reaction not ways mr king. This woman nettie craven may have thought i'd left the hospital then. Finding wasn't at home. She must've protect my daughter. Laura to revenge himself on me and see what you mean. Since the death of my wife mr king they've been only two things in my life. My work and my daughter. Laura laura gotten now but i still have my work and i intend to carry on naturally i. I don't want nettie craven punished for the crime. She's completely insane but she must be caught and returned to the hospital before she claims another victim. You for instance dr punches. I wasn't thinking to myself. I'm thinking of others. That's why come to you mr king. The police run the case of course. And if an investigator of your ability in desert and webb's along with them woman will be captured. All the sooner. I intend to do everything i can knocked apprentice. Thank you mr keane. Needless to say you'll be doing great public service. But also thinking about your doctor to simply. Don't worry about me mr clemson. don't mind. I'd like to do a little prescribing in this particular case dr princess. Where's your home in new jersey. Don't call rush ville russia's just across the river that's right not to point. I'd like to exchange house keys with you. I'd like you to stay in my apartment until this case is over. Mike and i will stay in your house. What my what my practice a little bit better for you to miss a few days work now doctrine to end up with no work at home you mean you think nettie craven would try to make me her next victim. If this insane woman killed your daughter. Yes i insisted you take the precautions. Dr case Do you ask mr kim fine and be careful yourself. Remind you that home. Seidel case like netease is most dangerous. I'm aware of that dr punches. There's just one thing. I'd like to add mr kim. If a young man named john digby because try to break the news of laura's murder as gently as possible. John is laura's husband has been. Hey was he living in your home to dr. No matter of fact my daughter laura had just come back to my house the day before she and john will marry only a month ago they had a child is quarrel. What was nothing. Thomas kim young define boy and i was sitting negative. Patch things up between them. You try to notify him of laura's death in iraq apprentice yes. I couldn't reach him anywhere very well. Dr punches you can proceed to my home immediately. I'll notify the hospital. You won't be available for a few days. Meanwhile mike and i will bend every effort to put our hands on this rush vilamoura before another victim is added to the list. The light switch must be this wall here mr cancer. Oh here it is now. Dr punches seems to have a very comfortable home. Mike showing us to barry lost his daughter. It's pretty tough for to go through something like that. mr king. He still has his work and is one of the best in the profession. We can just a minute. I thought i heard someone moving around the neck. Strom right mike. Someone here open that door. I haven't gone handy just in case mr. Don't move value thieves. No young men. We happen to be working with the police. the police. what are you doing here. Dr punches home. I'm talking my wife his wife. This must be young. John digby boss. Laura's husband my name father-in-law doctor apprentice about your young. My name is key and this is my partner. Mike clancy how you got into. This house was a kitchen window open. I didn't want to win the front doorbell. Because i thought laura wouldn't let me in. We'd quarreled like a couple of silly kids. She'd left me. I've come back to apologize to her. Saints preserve us. He hasn't even heard heard what. Sit down john. What is it. Why are you both looking at me like that. Where you've been to the past. Two days was so miserable. After our quarrel. I went to a little town in philadelphia. Explains why you didn't learn of a tragedy what tragedy. It's going to shock young so prepared so right. Laura was mud. Laura murdered by mania. No i don't believe that it's true. I'm sorry one of your father in law's patience. An insane woman escaped from the hospital. They think she attacked you away. I should never have left. Laura leave our apartment. It's all my fault mr gene. Sometimes fate works things our own peculiar way john and you think of that maniac who killed laura. Well that's the general opinion well. It isn't my opinion. You mean. John is to keep a few days ago. Laura was troubled by something important. She wanted to tell her father. She started to tell me about it when i got home. I interrupted earned. That's when we had on coral. You don't know what it was. What did your wife. I can guess we fought because i was jealous. Mr keane jealous of a man named the author halliday. Who is he john. It used to be a medical student at the university in town. Apprentice is a member of the examining board and that university. The board that passes on a student's character before he's permitted to graduate as doctor go on holiday. Drank gambled examining board found out and dismissed him from the medical school. They decided he was too weak to accept the responsibility. A must take you say you were jealous of this holiday. Yes mr king. He used to see a lot of laura before we were married the other day. I saw them together on the street. She never told me she was seeing him. Now it's beginning to be clear to me. Halladay was probably trying to use lars influence with their father to have himself reinstated at the medical school. She refused and he made a threat. That's what you wanted to tell her. Father doctor prentice about you. Don't mind my saying so john. You're taking for granted but it is worthwhile looking into. Is nick mr keene. If i ever find out that also halladay was responsible for his death. Are you looking at the taylor center. News show shocked mike. Would you like to lie down inside for while on. yes. I think i'd better. I'll be all right mr keene. I just want to be alone for a few minutes. Mike his doctor painting place. No not at the moment. My name is mud. Craven gribben mr king. She must be related that insane patient who escaped. She's my sister. Come in miss craven. My name is key. I happen to be looking for your sister. Is the king defames investigator who you won't put net in prison. Will you sir. She doesn't realize what she's doing. Or i want to return to the hospital where she belong. I looking for nettie. They think she emerged at the doctor's daughter laura. I came here to tell dr pinkus. How unhappy made me. When i heard about what happened. You know way or sister may have hidden scraping. If i did. Mr king had called the hospital. I knew how dangerous it is. I don't want to give her the chance to to someone else what she deport. Excuse me ramones as hello prentice. He is not in the moment. Who's going blazers. When will i eight on the rich. Why very shortly is important to me anyway. I is this a friend of the doctors can give him this message. He's kicked me around long enough of him. I can't get into medical school in the country. He doesn't stop hounding me off square accounts. Hello hello michigan jose. Mike young medical students don dig. They told us about wish. I could have gotten his address but if he was a student in the town university they can. Can you reach him. King if you want me to do i miss craven window transport service with someone outside boss. She's daring in the window. Face looks like an animal nettie. He's my rep him. I king isn't she incites. She disappeared like a ghost boss to dock out here and see when she went. She couldn't have gotten pham. Something tells me she's still close by. I'm on search every inch of grounds. In just a moment where return to mr king and the case of the rush bill murder meanwhile january fifth nineteen fifty mr keen tracer of lost persons. We continue in three minutes on classic radio theatre balance of nature's fruits and vegetables in a capsule changing the world. One life at a time being the truck driver. I don't always eat rice. And it kinda balances out. 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On classic radio theatre mr keen tracer of lost persons january fifth nineteen fifty back domestic keenum. The case of the rush. Mr keene grit investigator and his partner. Mike clancy are investigating the murder of lot digby the not a daughter while non physician dr perez whose attached to a hospital for the insane one of the patients an insane woman named nettie craven escaped from the hospital. She's the one who is under suspicion. The crime now mike and mr keene of just seen that his face bearing in a window of doctor prentice home does as such grounds for her. She was standing right over here. Mr keene near this wind s she was mike and i don't see any footprints. It's starting to snow boss now. I go back inside the house. Maybe netted craven manages a civil a after all my yes boss come over here from a look at this period ause leading right into the ground. It doesn't into the ground. I probably leads into the cellar of the house. Some of these old fashioned hoses have sella's this way cebu open mic and i try no came. It must've bolted on the inside. The thinks she's heightened in there now. She must be somewhere inside the house. Mike let me handcuffs with these handcuffs or the rings on the doors locked from the outside. She won't be able to get out the way she came in. Now let's go back inside the house and find. Did you find my sister. Native not yet mcraven. We think she's got inside the house. Who the selo. She why you're not afraid of your sister. I oh i don't know mr king. I used to be able to reason with nettie lately. She's been so violent. You better stay right here in the living room while we make such mcraven i mike will phone the police in the hospital and tell them to send help. Here's the telephone boss funny. What's the mike. Sounds like the phone is dead just money. Let's see whether home while runs to this wall and runs along woodwork a window. Open up the window mike. Mr king formalize been pulled right out of the outside wall mike. This window faces the side of the house where we saw integrating the nettie craven must have pulled the phone wire out just before she went through the celadon. Mr kim a car coming down the driveway. What he's not coming out of the way bus. Stop on top of that small hill weather driveway. It was up turns out to the main road cuter now. He's put his head lights out. Mike to such this house see you can find that. He craven but be careful. I win myskina. Get hold of john to help you. I'm going outside again. See what Latest visitor is up. My name is helen. I've a holiday the medical student the x. medical student if it wasn't for dr prentice i'm not have been practicing now if you owe character didn't should have dr punches in the school bald wouldn't have stood in your way you must be. I talked to on the phone a few minutes ago. That's right my name is keen. Got out of my way. it's practice. I wanna see just a move. You happen to know. The duct apprentice daughter. Laura has been murdered. Laura murdered in read about it in the papers. I just got back from new orleans. I tried to get into another medical school down there. But they wouldn't have me. That's dr apprentices fall to. The man has a bad reputation. It travels fast. I'm not asking you for your opinion. Keanae asked laura to help me. But you wouldn't so. I decided to take matters into my own hands. Now get out of my way before i shoot. I ended appealing you or other still about your movements parking. Your car up there on the hill sneaking down dr princesses dry and the dog that gun. You have seems to me out. I'm going to get square. See apprentices my enemy. And the last thing i look aligned you try and trick me or car running while young holiday over here on this couch mike. Easy now car. Roll down the hill smashed into the house after hitting today. I don't think he's seriously injured. Just done managed to push him out of the way mr keen. How can a man be dumb enough to pokhara and the head with his hand break off. The rate was on when i left it. Did you what he said boss. Yes mike that means someone deliberately release that handwriting. Hoping the car would roll down. Kill the tortoise. Where a. John digby and more crave missed the king. What's happened this man's been hurting his grave him. Where have you been. I know he's upstairs. And i went up to investigate. I hope that i might pay to reason with my sister. Nettie and you mr cayden. Having left this house. No mr king. The conclusion the mr keen tracer of lost persons from january fifth nineteen fifty four in four minutes on classic radio theatre as much as life has changed over the last year. You're still pretty busy. 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The conclusion of mr keen tracer of lost persons from january fifth nineteen fifty. John dick they might well. He wasn't in that bedroom where he went to lie down boss so i started to search the house by myself and just as i started down into the summer i heard the crash was what was that like. My sister. nadine shows like an insane personal right to the mara. Just listen to coming from the selami. Come on let's get down there immediately to gene. Stay where you are sake don't move. It's john digby boston. Craven standing behind him. Mike within accent yes will be there was she says mr keen. But you'll berry that acts in the back of my head nettie. Why do you want to John digby friend of yours. He will chew put that acts down so we can talk. I can talk with the axe in my hand whereas doctor practice. He's not hearing that he ever do is lie to me. Where is he told you. Doctor prentice is not here in his patient. Here beautiful patient. He ever had his waiting point. Adams takim kim man. I tell you the way. I think you're very clever. Nitty van within sense. How long have you been hiding here. Inductive apprentice house. This is you know that it's snowing very hard outside now. Snowing i canaan you'll need rubbers when you go home what you'll catch a cold. Yes will wouldn't you like us to take you home in a car the car. Where do you want us to take you. I of apprentice why. I don't know i had a reason. Get it no. You won't that ride in the car. Yes hide it. Put the axe down scrabble. Analyst jon nettie. Did you kill dr. Prince's daughter laura. Anyone would you want threatened up to princess. Didn't you you go there. It's my least. You found mr king. He's everything right. Yes scrape my cue. Have an extra pair of handcuffs haven't you. You're not good handcuff. My sister nettie. Are you know. I believe i can handle nettie with little psychology. We're going to handcuff you me on him. I laura you go. You told me you never left that livermore crave yet your shoes of wet snowflakes and your hair you wear outside the house and you release the handbrake and not the holidays call nettie. She didn't know. I know that justice nettie has been inside since it started snowing because her shoes dry one. Who released that kabri dry to kill holiday and me was the one who have duct his daughter by it that well we'll see her fingerprints on that brake handle no doubt. I have a hunch. They'll match with your ad. I was wearing gloves. Cost you however that admission is all i need you. Drink me you just way. Dr prentice did outage. Dietrich you thought it was enough with me. But he was only leading. I knew party more. I knew it all the time. He used to be there when he came to see me at the hospital to talk to me. I could see it in your eye. He didn't offer you nettie standpoint. You get rid of him was because of you don't juicy. Nettie doctor was one who said you. What insane he put you in that hospital. You know you key. Look at maud. Craven's is she looks crazy as a systematic is. I know john is both sisters hopelessly insane. And you'll get our. That's why you'll mustard. Laura must have found out about your mental condition was going to tell her father. That must have been why. Laura was worried mr keane exactly no wife laura found out. More craven was insane as assistant. Porsche informed the doctor more into the house and killed him. Not coming with us now is not. She's coming with you. Just going to stay with you know mental hospital. I think we can pick. Both of them are way. Consider the case of the rush. Ville murder closed And saw mr keene solution to the case of the rush though minor Mr cain tracer of lost persons is based on the novel. Mr king the radio seek was originated. I'm produced by franken then dialogue by launch plea helping plays. Mr king is on the air. Every thursday at this time godless mr keane next thursday one. 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Fifth nineteen fifty-six hollywood. It's time now for. That's strange. Kaelin lila someone from police. Department asked me to call. Charge it monosso at this number but i did. Yeah reno's it was trying to reach you. Your phone didn't answer sledding. Trying to get some sleep then. The officer came by. Where are you johnny. What's happened. We're at the appointment of a girl named marty midnight over here layla. You'd better brace yourself honey. You're got another shock coming. Your husband didn't diana ed burning auto alive. No not no. They were shot to death an hour and a half ago here marty's apartment. I don't know yet. Hang on to yourself. And i'll come by and see as soon as i'm free here tonight. In every weekday. Night bob bailey. The transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed. Expense account america's fabulous freelance insurance investigator. Truly johnny dollar a special investigator. Johnny dollar location los angeles that the home office trinity mutual insurance company ltd hartford connecticut assignment. Ceylan matter expense continued. The homicide squad was finishing up. Its work when sergeant reynosa. And i got back to the apartment of mardi midnight star stripper. The brass monkey in any gains body had been photographed. Check measured fingerprinted examined sketch written and reported on taken out finally under a white sheet. I held the door open for the mortgage tenants to get out with their sign unburden instead watching them. Wheel stretched down the walk and loaded into the waiting ambulance. allied missed. it started the fall. Damn coal blanket of fog was seeping down from the dark hillsides at griffith park beyond the road. There was a feeling of finality in the air. The end of things and for the man who died twice it was final and there was no doubt about at this time. Eddie kaelin was dead. I am tired johnny. Just plain dead dog tired. It's gonna be a long night. Sit down and start talking any particular subject surgeon. You know what subject you weren't surprised when you heard. Eddie ceylan had been alive all this time that it wasn't his body in the right car out in palos verdes. How come johnny. Why weren't you surprised. Because i was expecting. Why else now. You gotta do more talking than that. Well it started with a hunch and the hunter started when you told me you found the door of any killings apartment locked when you went there that he was supposed to have died. Yeah i know locked with a key. You mentioned that but that was the important part if it had been a door with a lock or a spring. Latch that snaps. When you pull it shut. It wouldn't have been anything still doesn't as far as i'm concerned i look. There was evidence that had been a fight in an apartment at night. We assume that somebody had knocked unconscious or killed him there in the apartment then taken his body onto his car. Driven it onto the varies headland and set fire to right then at the time that somebody left the apartment. The heat was on at a body on their hands. Maybe someone and heard the fight. Call the police. They had to get out fan as sure but under those circumstances. Can you imagine anybody taking the time to go through these pockets to find his door key and bothering stop and locked the door behind them. It's a logical except for one person. Eddie himself what him it would be. Just a matter of habit locking the door as usual when he left home. All right jenny. I see your point than how do you call a play that night. About the way we were tagging it up to a point. Anyone sixty thousand bucks in that poker game with tombola only. He went home either alone or with that friend of his speech timer so so topple had no intention of taking that kind of a loss. So he's on his trigger. Man mike kelso recover the money. The fight was between eddie and mike. Only mike was the one who lost. Not eddie new figure eddie. Put mike kelso's body in his car and drove it out to palos verdes and said fire. Sure with pete steiner's help probably well. It's possible body was practically destroyed. All we had for densification was the wallet. Watch keychain so on they could have been planted i think were it was a sudden idea. Spur them on. But eddie was ripe for it. There he was was sixty thousand dollars in his pocket but a dead man on his hands and as far as his wife was concerned. I think the chances shaking her and not sharing money was just an added inducement so he. Npr range for the body to be identified as his and eddie just disappeared and hold up here in his girlfriend's apartment. Why not in pete. Both apparently the three of them were planning to jump the country. Judging by that forged birth certificates you found in there on the breakfast table. only it didn't work out that way at. He's dead really dead now. Peden martin disappeared again and the sixty grand dismissing find them and you find the money janney. It sounds like the same old story. Big money big temptation and a falling out among friends. That's the most likely. Of course there is one other possibility. I've set top linley. Was he out. Yeah i'll come zero combination. Johnny good lawyer on his side and the poor case on ours. He was sprung two hours before the neighbors reported the shooting. Here the anonymous neighbor. Well it could be. But i'm still betting. I was pete steiner. Our money midnight. I'm not betting anything anymore. The way things stand now. It's anybody's guess. His own gun. No prints on it. You pays your nickel and you takes your choice. Well at least the field narrows down. Seems like we got a visitor. Rally one of the uniform boys on duty outside. Yes policemen outside safe for me to come to you. I m genetic voire. What can i do for. I am the person who reports the shooting on the telephone. Come on now. See misuse gummy. Refuse to give you a name when you phone the police. Captain sergeant reynosa. This is johnny dollar mr boyle. He's also is working with us on this now. I wouldn't you give you name when you reported the shooting. I am very sorry. Misuse you see. I have not been in this country too long. And i am afraid that i will be implicated so i do not give the name at first but finally i think it over and i call my friend the console and he must come to you immediately is right so you heard the shooting weans you. I was walking past in front. I leave three places down from here. All of a sudden there is bang bang. Bang and i am scared to pieces. Imagine then the door of these places slam open very quick. And i jump into shadow behind bush girls dot to come out and then she stopped in the door to doc for telling good but i have seen her before i knew from her hair. Very long black even. Was that the one that girl who lives here. I did not know her name. All right what happened. Then she standing the dough for a second. She is wearing a how you say it a right-wing she is holding something in her hand. These things she wipes with raincoat all over then throws it back into the room. Was it a gun. I think so. Then she pulls the door shut and ones down the street. I am too scared to sink what to do for a minute. Then i hurry home very fast and i telephone to. The police. didn't see anybody else around the place in the street in front. I watch for my window until the police have come. Nobody else has come out or go in. I see well. She won't get far go with her. Legs draws too much. Attention will pick her up before morning. Thank you for your information. Mr bois and view of your cooperation. Now i think we can forget about you not telling us all the sooner i can go now is just leave your name and address the officer outside of kind of surprises me. I figured that two of them together game up on any but apparently it was just morning midnight on her on been done before. Johnny and not the weakest sex no matter what the book says. I know but the fact never fails to amaze me it. Shouldn't you must have been on some of the same kind of cases of trauma stationed at the entrance to the apartment. House told us what had happened. It's a somebody a man. He thought lurking in the bushes beside the house. The prowler fired a shot and ran. He paid no attention. To the order. To halt patrolman at fire twice missed a fugitive who had escaped into the dense underbrush griffith park just across the street. Sergeant reynosa spotted men quickly along the edge of the brush. Set up a portable spotlighting. The squad car sent his other carbon access road to block off the ridge. Line radio for reinforcements within five minutes. Fifty acre area of the slope was surrounded and blocked off. Well what do you say johnny. She go going after him. Looks like we'll have to. He seems to be the shy call. It i'm putting my money on top willingly good bed. Let's go get back to back. Out of the way could be any docker water. Should you flash over there. Throw the right know all right. We've got this around the better. Come out with your hands up. You tried to resist. You'll only make it tougher on yourself. You hear something then. No i think stickler watches johnny's thrown lead once again that tree flush steady. Come out with your heads up. Pro joe less chats. Wanna choice johnny. He's down come on well buddy know. It wasn't top lay. It was eddie kaelin friend. Peach timer Expense account item nine one dollar for a newspaper. Two packs of cigarettes in a cardboard carton of hot coffee purchased from an all night diner across the street from the queen of the angels hospital. I took them up to the police. Emergency ward room. Six twelve pulled a chair of in front of the window and sat down the wait. Pete timer was still unconscious. Still have been able to speak a word since he dropped to. The ground with sergeant reynosa bulletins so i waited outside the coal missed. Still coming down steadily was pretty far gone. It was less than three hours before dawn beside the bed. Only sound of the room. Was the horse. Slow breathing after a while. And there's for something. He'd seen two rows slightly at the sound of the door. We're not try to talk theirs. Eddie here now. He's not here and he ought to be here. It's always been like this relaxed. It's all right eddie. His runs out and leaves somebody else to the history music and those were his last words before he went to face the music. A part for the five part yours. Truly johnny dollar story and is originally broadcast january fifth nine thousand nine hundred fifty six. The kaelin matter. I'm wyatt cocks. You can find us on facebook or me. We are web page. Classic radio dot stream our podcast at usa classic radio via i'm wyatt cock. Thanks for listening. 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The six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty and witty tonight. It's aria and it's in. It's been a crazy week for big. When i imagine you guys have been discussing this pretty extensively for the last week or so but up to thirty four thousand right now. I think its scraped thirty. Four thousand five hundred today and people just got stimulus checks. I hope they're smart enough to use that to purchase bitcoin. But time will tell you suggested that the last time and if anyone followed your suggestion now we don't give financial advice but We will talk about the things we might do. That proved to be a good suggestion. What are double almost tripled since then. Yeah 'cause it was like seven or eight thousand then oh no way more than tripled. Hasn't it Yeah was it that cheap. It was on the downside. Yeah i know it's been a while it really used to seven thousand dollars. Bitcoin is dead. Can change a short time with bitcoin. Clearly it can because it went from the record high of twenty thousand two. I mean it's just continually setting new records almost every day. Yeah almost but five twenty thousand thirty five thousand in like two weeks is absolutely insane in other things that are insane. The governor's house recently had a candlelight vigil at it. Yeah last monday yes and the police showed up in force with batons and all kinds of crap. I mean they were ready for a fight. They weren't and we now have here with us. I didn't actually get his name. That's okay. I'm not really sure what we should call him either. Is it schuyler. Is it savage. Welcome to the show. You can call me either. Yeah yeah ben. Lots of people like to call me savage. Yeah i was. I was the guy. You're the guy that got arrested. After you received a ticket for the the claim of picketing so i mean just to bring our listeners up to speed in case they haven't seen any of the video and there's a bunch of video that came out of this. That's a good problem to have right where you had a lot of activists with a lot of video cameras. I had vincent a former co host of ours. Do some editing. And he'd grab some some some of your footage Schuyler in two or three other people and cobbled together a twenty minute long video to kind of give people an overview of this. You can see that over at the free keen youtube channel. If you haven't seen this but basically you guys rolled up at the governor's house at like seven. Seven o'clock or something like that on monday evening and there were what at least a dozen to twenty state troopers that were already waiting for you there. Yeah so. I like anything that i say can be backed up. You can so have a youtube page savage truth six. Oh three and i put the unedited footage of the entire The entire event start to finish from the moment. We showed up until he got arrested. up there for everybody to see because there's nothing there for me to hide. But you know. I i definitely feel like the town in state. Police have some things before we go on. I just want to remind you you are on actual broadcast radio tonight. So against fcc friendly. I realized things can get get heated when you think about. You know what the cops have done and you know the things that i've been so i had my my kids yelling at me for the past like two hours about my language. I'm not gonna lie if i if i speak slowly. Or if there's like weird pauses. It's because i'm i'm i'm trying desperately to censor my myself. I appreciate it so let let's before we get into all of the what went on monday night. Let's go back a little further. What was it that inspired you to go to this event in the first place. Because i've been to a few of these protests at the governor's house. I wasn't the one that you were The the candlelight vigil i was here Doing work whatever but I've been to at least three of them. Prior to that. And i hadn't seen you there. So what was it that brought you out this time. So i guess just to give very brief background of why the protests are happening in like. I don't want to speak for the the organizers of the groups are we're all under the same understanding i think for the most part There's been several violations to the constitution This the governor has been conducting secret meetings at the national guard facility in pembroke with The ag and certain other members of the legislature and denying access to the public So they've removed all forms of redress that we have by by way of the constitution. We can't it doesn't make sense for us to pick it or demonstrate outside the state house when the state house is closed in the governor's race from his big white house on the hill right. So that was what started. The the demonstrations at his house was the mask. Mandate that really triggered because there was a lot of talk this year There were as you may know. There were the reopen new hampshire protests. That happen the at the state house back in april and may and you know earlier around that time and then throughout the summer there was some discussion about well. Why don't we go to the governor's house and some people say. Oh we don't wanna go there yet or his family etc etcetera and it never ended up. Really you know materializing until finally he came out with this mask. Mandate of course just a couple of weeks. After he said he wasn't going to do a mask. Mandate typically yeah and he comes out with this mask mandate and now you know that there are a bunch of exemptions. Most people don't realize that they don't ever read these things so they just go with what they hear on the media so they believe that. There's this iron clad mask mandate in there might as well be as i what people believe. So that's what sparked the protests and then of course things just keep getting worse with him. Passing another governor's emergency order. That as i understand it completely removed religious subject object. Excuse me religious exemptions from receiving vaccines which as though we're sort of paving the way for force vaccinations even though they didn't actually say they were going to force vaccinate yet. They seem to be preparing for that. So i'm not a legal expert but my reading of suggested it only applied to healthcare workers Okay that's where it's going to start and it'll be you know. Then they're going to say you can't put your kids in school without having them vaccinated and they're going to say you can't. You can't where i mean. They've already talked about. Not letting you have a passport. Then you won't be able to fly at all then you won't be able to use mass transportation and then once they push us into a digital currency. They'll just they'll show your bank accounts off if you don't do what they say they've been shut down for for years like i just went off on a little bit of a like a you know the deep end a little bit there but like this is stuff that i have been paying very close attention to for over ear and he said been calling all this stuff. It's crazy like where things are going. And how fast they're getting their. We've seen china doing it with their social credit system now they have a digital currency and they can. If you're social credit is too low they can just shut slightly cut you out of the financial system yes so i posted a video on my youtube channel like a year ago and it was like one of the first videos i ever posted. And i just kinda edited some stuff together with like this. Free this free like soundtrack that got off soundcloud and it shows like all of the cameras everywhere and how they log people's faces everywhere they go and they're paying they go to stores in. They're paying with their faces and like the kids in school. They're like analyzing their faces when they're like doing schoolwork and it's like it's terrifying it's terrifying. It's creepy their cameras everywhere. It's even worse than the united kingdom but here it's bad or at least a lot of them are supposedly private security cameras so you go to a gas station or something. You just sort of expect to be on camera shirt but in the united kingdom i think. They're all state-owned aren't they. Well there's a lot of Tv cameras that are run by the government. Yeah and that's horrifying as much is true and that's been the case for many years. I mean that that was more than probably a decade ago that they started installing those so so savage. I've been curious. I i heard what exactly trumped up crap. Did they arrest you for well. All right so. I guess i should go back to the beginning because we kind of we started at the beginning and then like win around this. Let me let me let me get right to the to the to the meat and potatoes of it so we so the reason i went there. This is actually the first Demonstration that i that i attended there and it was a candlelight vigil for the people the victims of the lockdowns the suicides the the domestic abuse victims the people that have lost a businesses. The people that you know like there's a lot to this whole thing so that was. What the candlelight vigil was supposed to be for so as soon as we pulled up they decided they were going to victimize more of you hang on stick with us. We're going to you got time right. You can hang out all the time in the world cool more with the schuyler savage bennett's he is Savaged truth six. Oh three on. Youtube will continue. I can't wait to hear the rest of the story. At how how aggressive the police just became for absolutely no reason to stay tuned. we're gonna get further into it. This is free talk live. Look i'm sorry but you're in for a world of pain. 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It's easy to look at something that's new and she'd be like what's that i'm too busy. I don't have to like we can talk currencies on a whole 'nother thing because that's like i have my own opinions about currencies in general so so by the way for our listeners just tuning in we've got a special guest here with schuyler bennett aka savage. He hosts a youtube channel called savage truth six. Oh three and we were getting into what happened to you last week. We actually had one of the other guys that was there with you. Build a minute ago one. The the older gentleman that was present He was just outraged at what was going on with these A phalanx of state troopers. That was on the scene. At the governor's house in new fields new hampshire for a. What was a candlelight vigil. I mean it's one of the least offensive things that a group of people can do in sort of a protest right like there's chanting that's pretty offensive. You know it's loud. It's obnoxious or whatever but candlelight vigils are peaceful. They're quiet they're nice like i don't know that chanting is any worse than a candlelight vigil noisy right like chanting his harsh it can be angry. Candlelight vigils are always very you know caring sorts of events and but yet they decided they were going to target this event with their new Their precious new ordinance that the town had written just what a wait a week before days beforehand finished this ordinance to ban so called picketing which of course on its own is constitutionally suspect and probably highly violation of the constitution. But even if you were to say oh picketing bad to call candlelight. Vigil ing. A picketing event is pretty ridiculous. I mean these cops were ridiculous from top to bottom as you learn. You were just telling us what happened when you arrived on the scene. The beginning of this thing so Yet so we arrived. We showed up and we were immediately greeted by five or six state troopers On foot there was. I believe for five state trooper for cars in sooners driveway. And then so like. Of course you know kingston new. He lives on this giant giant. Cul de sac. Okay in his house is up on a hill like probably two three hundred feet from the edge of the road and then there's the road and then there's a grass culture sack in the middle of that has to be at least a half acre of grass. It's it's huge okay. So we're they've normally set up for protests Before was in that grass area. What we actually wanted to have our vigil on the opposite side of the call tax. So we're talking five six five six hundred feet from the edge of his property not even from his house so you are pretty good distance from his knees and hips not. It's not like anybody was like you know blocked his driveway or like banging on his windows. Like it's not it's just people have just a inflated idea of how like aggressive in like in his family's face it was. Have you seen the little crybaby wining on twitter. Oh he was yeah. He did a radio show today in. Somebody sent it to me and it's like so we can like i'm gonna continue into the story in again. You can see it all on you two gentlemen. There was never a point where anybody was in his backyard by any stretch of the imagination that he claimed that in the on the radio. Today patently false. He claimed that and so he. So here's like yes. Yes he did. He claimed that and very explicitly made it clear that it was me who was the person in his backyard. really yeah. Because i was the only one rested. I was the only armed individual. Well now you may not have been the only armed individual. You're the only one arrested. That's true yeah okay. This is new but nobody nobody but nobody was open carrying. But like because i got arrested. They searched me. And you know So okay so we pulled up and they approached us and immediately were very like you know you can't be here. You can't do this and you know we always and well-spoken individuals. It's not really hard for us to to push back on just this this like basic. You can't be here. you can't do this. Well we have rights you know and that's kind of where you know in you know we weren't Aggressive or you know trying to fight with the cops at all you know. I kept saying them. I know you guys are just trying to do jobs as an anti police thing like we're here because we have no other forms of redress with governor. Because he's hiding in his house. These conducting secret meetings with the ag at a national guard facility in in banning the public from these meetings. I don't even think he's hiding in his house anymore. From what i understand he had been present for the past few protests. Yeah he seems to have maybe a second house or maybe he's at his resort that he owns. I think he owns like a whole ski mountain or something like that. So who knows where he's hiding but he's not hiding there. The house was pitch black when we were there. I guarantee there was nobody home. We we announced openly that we were gonna have our candlelight vigil there and I'm quite sure that he planned to not be there bright. He used plenty of state resources to make sure that the police could bully us and and it seems insane to me the he had state out there enforcing a local town. Ordinance he did. That's a really interesting point. And i'm i'm gonna get to that in in both later in the story because it's a really it's a really crucial point of the story so they told us we couldn't quote unquote it. We pressed them to define what picketing and who said you know. We're here for a candlelight vigil. We're not here to ticket. Ticket in picketing involves signs blocking entrances disrupt disrupting things. We weren't there to do that. 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There that's by the way that's the name of the band in case you did not know rebel inc good stock trigger. He's wearing a metal shirt. Oh yeah surprised. Metalhead till i die bro. Y'all could tell by the by the beard for sure so with you tonight. It's ian and we're joined by schuyler who is telling us about the protest. Protest the candlelight vigil that occurred the week before last thing is it didn't even occur. I mean you guys never even had a chance to the candles lit. Did you know an attempt attempt because swooped in immediately. Yeah the concept and immediately aggressively the state troopers by the way that we're they're enforcing local town ordinance and what happened next so fun fact before we get started you guys know who's signature was on the town ordinance to make it to make picketing illegal in michelson michael sununu and that's brother right. Yes but the governor said that he had no involvement with that town. Ordinance okay so back to my story So they came up. They told us we couldn't pick it. They wouldn't define couldn't define what picketing was after being pressed on it and they said you can't stand one spot you can't target a residence. Couldn't stand across the street even though it was public property It belongs to the water department. They said it was. It was private public. Property confronted them about that The previous protests. That happened other because that was the first time they put those no trespassing signs up over there because they had them there before its share. You look at it on a google map or whatever it's designated as scott. Green park looked to it right so it looks like it's a park and you know they didn't threaten me when i was walking on the property before but then all of a sudden one week. There's now no trespassing signs up. So i asked one of the cops about it on video and he gave me the same lame explanation that it's private property and so we'll wait. How is how is it private property. If it's owned by the town he says oh it's the water department but that's still still the talaq for that exact taxpayers. It should always concerned people out. There really need to pay attention to that particular aspect of this. That what we're dealing with here in new hampshire where the cops aren't as as bad as they are in a lot of other places. They are literally just making crap up as they go. Order the tyrannize well and that's because there's no penalty for the police right so when it presumably what's going to happen here to at the very least the people who are ticketed as i understand it was nine. People were ticketed and then skyler. You're the only one who ended up getting arrested. And we'll get to that but i expect they're going to likely drought these tickets because they don't want to take this to court they don't want to to lose these cases in court so they'll drop the charges but there's not going to be any kind of penalty for the officers. Who wrote the charges or for the townspeople who voted for constitutional account. Or or for the counselors correct. Well i mean. I'm going to do my best to see that there. Some some people are held accountable. And there's a lot there is a state police trooper that wouldn't identify himself And literally ran away from me when i tried to get him to identify himself. Of course they arrested me for exercising my first amendment right and when you look at the the way that they went through the process they didn't even go through the town legislature. Michael new just signed this thing into into Order and made it. This like like that doesn't like i that doesn't dictate my rights. Just because you have a problem with what we have to say or would i have to say. Well there's multiple legal issues. I mean even from within their system there multiple issues with what they did. Legally as far as new hampshire is not what they call a home rule state so in order for a town council or city council to pass some sort of an ordinance it has to be approved in advance or it has to be allowed by the state legislature so the state legislature for instance has said that towns may have zoning some towns don't other towns to and that's because they are authorized to either have it or not depending on what they wanna do but the state has to sort of clear the way for that and allow that to happen. I i have never heard that. There's any kind of or you know. State law that says that local towns can ban picketing. But that's what they did here. Now you said it was just a new. I thought the all three of the signatures were on that from the town council. Am i mistaken on that. Well i very well could be mistaken. Because i think you. Okay so i. I just remember seeing his for sure. But oh yeah that's stood out. His signature stood out but they started the process. I think two weeks prior to that. And they had a what they call a first reading and then the second reading and they gave people time supposedly to comment on it. Still rush this crap. Yeah yeah yeah so so so when we got there. They said we couldn't direct anything but they were allowed to quote unquote march. And we said. Okay what is the march. And then they couldn't define what a march was like. How far do i have to go like to before this to be considered a march like hundred feet hundred miles like what are we talking about here. And they couldn't give us. Oh cut out the end of the street. i'm like well. What if it's what if the next street over in the streets only five hundred feet long district's three miles like there's a big difference and they couldn't Again they couldn't define it so we just okay. We're going to you know we're gonna walk down this way out of sight we walked for. I don't know a few hundred yards. Except for one guy that had a cane and was tripled and he couldn't really go. They ticketed him too. Didn't he that was on the way back. That was that was after they arrested me. Okay so we so. We walked down through the neighborhood again. Very quietly nobody's making any noise. There's no bull bullhorns like a bunch of a bunch of lies We came back through and the path a paved sidewalk right. That goes up next to his house to general store at the top of the hill. It's like i don't know the path itself is maybe five hundred feet long and we we were gonna go up that path and go to the store get some water and then take off so as as we get. We start approaching the cul de sac again. You know again. We're descended on by swarm of state troopers and a couple of cops and wasn't this at the point where like another reason cruisers rolled in. Didn't they more than double their numbers at this point. Yes so we said hey. We're going to walk this. And they were like okay fine and so we started walking up the path and then again. The guy with the cane was like yo. Can you wait up. And so we stop for one second in as soon as we turned around we saw the like the whole cavalry just rolling in another at least dozen cop cars and So then i the that was when i started trying to identify. The police saw the state troopers and most of them. Actually i'm not gonna lie. Most of the state troopers were they weren't they weren't terrible. It was this one would identify himself the rest of them. It kind of felt like they were doing a job that they know they shouldn't be doing but they have to get their paycheck and go home and feed their family like the rest of us. And like i don't know so. It's well when the nazis used. Yeah well i agree with that. But i'm just. I don't know they have discretion schuyler so every police officer has has discretion and they can use it obviously the the department can punish them for using it like by putting him on the overnight shift or something like that but generally. They can't be fired as i understand it. For using their discretion and there only very certain circumstances in which i understand that they cannot use discretion so the only cases where they can't use discretion where they must act is like if they witnessed a violent felony taking place or something like to do anything then because i have no duty to protect. Well that's true that's true. They don't have any duty to protect but in trouble with the police department. That's okay yeah. So yeah so. They stopped us and then all of a sudden. There's a stack of fifteen fully swat ready state troopers on sidewalk like looking at me and here here. I am asking this older state trooper definitely some sort of commanding officer To identify himself and he can be seen on video repeatedly like running away from me covering his name is his name badge and then he pointed me out to be arrested by this by the swarm of state troopers right so they cut me. They searched me. they surround me. They walk backwards for like three hundred yards. And i'm surrounded by at least a dozen off and i wanna tell you about their attitude to like. They showed up ready for a fight. 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Talk radio that you control and you wanna talk about anything. That's on your mind at six zero three. Two eight three six one six zero. I did that automatically. Got halfway through without even thinking about it. And i was like wait a minute my out the right number and i turned out to be which tonight it's aria and not and we're joined by schuyler who was recently the only person arrested at governors house outside of the governor's house during a candlelight vigil that never actually got to happen to recap the story. They showed up. There were state troopers everywhere. I think he said up to a dozen of them and the the cops just made up all kinds of crap on the fly. You know you have to keep moving. you have to. You have to mortgages jumping jack ups and so they did. They went up to the store and then they came back and there was this old man borderline crippled and trying to help him. This one state trooper became agitated that you were trying to get his name or something along those lines and ultimately told the other state troopers arrest him now. What was the charge. They dreamed up when they did. We didn't even. They told us we could walk up to the store and we didn't make it there. They stopped us before we get up there and and then that's when they started harassing everybody. They gave everybody hundred dollar fines. And you know the funny part is i can be seen again on video saying to The officers as trying to get their information. That i was just waiting for my ride to get ticketed and then we were gonna leave and it was after that point. They had that they pointed me out to be arrested. I'm not sure why. I was the only one that was singled out. Got my ticket ahead of everybody and then was singled out to be arrested for some strange reason. I was speculate that it was because you were trying to get that state Himself and yeah. That's really petty. Yep and they have to abuse in their pettiness and he was an older one. So like i feel like they're a little more even more stuck in there. Like bullheaded like you know what i mean like. You're not gonna tell me what to do. Kinda shit sorry. Put on hold there for just a second. We can keep them on just to do the thing of the already dumped it. Yeah i forgot that there the connected to dump anything since then. Don't do that again schuyler. Sorry yes so distracted with rolling something down so they so they arrested me or they detained me. They searched me. They're walking backwards in this huge group at this point. I'm talking to these guys. Like i'm not out here for myself. Not here trying to stir up trouble. The reason that like we are doing this as the reason that i am doing. This is because i care about so many people. I know that are in the service. Industry like bartenders servers and Hairdressers and massage therapists. And i mean there's a million different occupations where that have been severely impacted with these lockdowns and stuff and that's literally just telling these guys like You know that. I'm not out here trying to cause trouble. So they walk me back and they they stick me in the town cops cruiser which i immediately was like. That's kind of weird that they detained me and they put me in the town cop cruiser and made sense to me almost immediately and the reason is because i said there so we take off. We're headed to the station and the cop that was driving. He's young like he said he was twenty six. I don't i don't know if he was even that old awhile in and he was the He was the one that gave me the ticket. And a bunch of the other people tickets to so so soul to the devil early. Yep i was like you understand what just happened back there right and he didn't say anything. I go. those cops sold you out do you. Don't understand why it took fifteen to twenty of them total really to arrest me and then they took me and put me in your cruiser until you to file. The charges on me is the did that. Because somebody's gonna lose their job now. Well i don't now man like b. It's all on video. You pretty much have to be a rapist as a cop to lose your job and that won't fully do. That's really the only thing that can do it. I would like to think that somebody is going to lose their job over this. I want to be the guy that wouldn't identify himself. That'd be nice man. But i've seen this to me. I've seen this too many times. I mean actually you just saw. Derek jays victimless crime. Spree right you want to say that. Today guys lost their jobs. I'll tell you that. Not one of them that's true. Yep we'll see how thank you just broke my heart man. I was really actually like full steam ahead of thought. I was going to do this thing now. Now i'm gonna cry myself. I'm not telling you to back down right like please make much of a show of it as you can't because ultimately that's all that that this is good for winning is right is to show the people what's really going on out there and because you got video you can do that. It's so much more persuasive when you actually have video rather than saying well they said i did this and i know you got video. You can show what happened in. It's crystal clear that you guys weren't a threat. It's crystal clear that you are a peaceful group of people and these cops were the ones being the aggressors And that's all you can do. Is you can just keep chipping chip chip. Chipping away at the you. Know the legitimacy of these officers got a tough question for you schuyler so in the In the video one point you say to the officers that we're all on the same side or something to the effect of we're on the same side. What did you mean by that. So i have said for a while that i think that there's there's gonna be a lot of law enforcement that are gonna have to. They're going to end up stepping away from law enforcement and walking away from the state and they're seeing it in a the i think there. I think there's some that there's a lot of obviously are free to do it but when you appeal to somebody as a human being in and stop looking at them at like these guys like literally look at me like A terrorist all because they showed up toe to hold a candle like they're so brainwashed. Funny and like there's this there's a part of me that feels bad for them in wants to appeal to that side of them and say like your human like me would like we're this is not about cops like i just feel like it's big. It's much bigger than that. Okay that's that's a good answer because like that you're saying the same side was humanity because somebody could have looked at that somebody could have looked at that statement and said wait is he and undercover cop. Goon okay i trying to. I was trying to appeal to them as a human. Yeah and there are. Humans are somewhere in there. They've been so brainwashed by their training of them and we're them yes that's always been trained into this whole thin blue line mentality literally. Is it training of them and they try to dehumanize the people that they're going after and it's really sad. It's really sad. Because i don't think those cops got into it to stop. Candlelight vigil lists. And that's that's kind of what i was getting lighter like other. These guys are fathers. Like what kind of world are you leaving for your kids. If they can't go out somewhere and hold a candle like i'm trying to appeal to the more human side of them. Just there are a lot of them are just brainwashed so brainwashed and it's it's the other that thing that's a shame as we are all a slave to money so even if your career they absolutely hate but you have children to feed a lot of people stay in that career. So i don't know man i just. I think there's a lot of people out there that when when there's actually a real line in the sand they're gonna they're gonna step over to the to the right line in san realized that the issue is is is the government and the military complex and the militarization of police. Not people who wanna stop rapists and murderers and that we're asking questions can really come in handy when when when you've got the chance to actually get an answer from these guys because they may not answer in front of their superiors or whatever but asking him you know. Would you confiscate guns force people to you know vaccinate line officer and i guess part of the reason that i feel the way that i do is because i have. I have privileged information that there are a number of police within the state trooper organization that fully support what is happening with the with the protests. And the but they're just afraid to step up so sure because then the thin blue line will turn against them which is why it's hard to find any good cops because if there are any good cops they are cowering in fear of what the bad cop do to them. I mean the bad cops are pretty bad. They may you know. Cut cut a dog's head off and leave it on your front porch or whatever. If you're a good cop you know. Just try to intimidate you or Yeah i remember a fr- a former co host here on free talk live. Brad jarvis years ago was a. I think it was epping new hampshire. He was a police officer there for more than a decade before he turned against the war on drugs and started speaking out while he was still an officer against the war on drugs and they started doing things to him they started like doing sort of somewhat intimidating things like they never beat him up or you know sure or hurt him but they were. I can't get into all the details about. But they were definitely like targeting him ashamed. I'm not surprised. Oh hey skyler. Thank you so much for coming on and telling gates touch scholar. So let's you know let's talk again. I definitely appreciate coming on. We'll we'll get updates as this is going on. Yeah definitely keep us updated Fight this thing obviously. Give them an inch. This is free talk. Live six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero we have some good news the indictments against rossall brick in the district of maryland were dismissed with prejudice. Meaning they can never be refiled. This especially good. 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His brother's name is on the town legislation and his state troopers were out there enforcing the local talent ordinance bizarre. But we're going to move on now to talk about other things because Lockdowns are still happening and they still are not working much to the surprise of probably no one who listens to the show. I you see. They just need to lockdown harder. It's clear that's what will solve the problem. We just haven't been locking down hard enough. So now he just need to have total lockdowns where no one can leave their home at all even for essential goods. That does seem to be what people think. It's it's bizarre to me how. They don't seem to understand that the government is it only has two tricks up. Its sleeves now. One of those inflating the currency. The other is oppression. And that's all it can do. Neither of those two things are doing anything to curb the spread of this virus. That doesn't seem to be killing that. Many people chris carrawell sick and he's fine. He had a couple of tough days apparently but before we get into it. Let's go to the phones. We've got cold calling cole. You're on free talk. Live still with us Who is it. it's it is muted. Yeah go ahead operator error. Yeah that's all right Yeah one. I island area. You would say twenty six year olds police guy that they you know more or less gave You know it all to him and more or less you guys are screwing now. That's what happens with the state. Police really actuality he's gaining his ranks. So they're giving him. You know the the pistole sales more or less. They're earning him not arrest so he's gaining rank and a gain rank team. It's like everything else like five. I don't think you're right about right about that. I know that. For a fact. That my i can i have family that saying and yeah i was in a predicament. Where they gave arresting officer there was three of them and they gave it the one that just started the rest on me as a dui because it because he has a rookie and they just didn't mind. Losing the rookie in the middle of the event will hold on where you really drunk them. They're not gonna lose. He's not he's not gonna lose job but wait. We're losing his job. I mean you know it matters whether or not you lose your best cop at a scene that you clearly expect to become violent. I mean it would seem to make sense to send the rookie away. Not your best people. Okay but what i meant. the i've written. Okay hold on. You're saying you got a dui and they had the rookie do your arrest. Were you actually drunk during the dui. No okay now. I blow Very minimal. it was a three hour dinner. i'd wind what's to dinner sell forth honestly and they actually pulled me over coming in different. Directions is a cameras that they have on the front of their vehicles. State place they cut through the medium pulled me over. I wasn't even speed. And i seen them common. There was an hour's slowed down the over and laugh and more or less time at me. You know got the truck and gave it to the officer. That was just start vehicle. Your theory is correct here. I think that it's much more likely that if they have a questionable arrests they will give it to the newbie because it it'll look bad for them in the upper officers you know. They don't have that bad arrest on their record in that particular case and i'll give you an example We were here at Doing a nightcap as we did for thirty six weeks in a row this this last year in two thousand twenty as protest. We were outside at central square. And the common here in new hampshire. Keene new hampshire downtown and fully visible to all the cops there for weeks and it wasn't until like week number twelve or something like that when we finally had an with the police where they showed up and started leaving tickets on people's cars only week twelve i thought it was way further along than that and maybe it was a little further than that but it was several weeks. It was a bunch of weeks into it And so they known we were there prior to that known we were hanging out and probably knew we were drinking because we weren't hiding in. We made it abundantly clear. I mean we took shots as they drove by. Yeah and so the cops but what happened was there. Were two cops in the same cruiser. One of them was the younger cop the other one was he was young but he'd been on the squad for few years so there was one cop that was brand new and then one that was on the squad for like four years at least at that point and the one who is on the squad for four years was telling the young guy what to do and so the young guy got out and he was the one issuing the tickets. He was the one that i targeted. When i had my video camera allerton was you know giving him a hard time Cop did not know what he was getting into diddy. I think that he had probably some idea i mean. They probably briefed him. Some extent. on. Who the liberty people are free staters or whatever they call us and i they wanted him specifically to sort of him in that this was his. You know initiation so to speak like all right. I know jim. You gotta go down and hand out tickets to the free staters even though they know. We're going to challenge them they know we're going to go to court. They know we're gonna take it all and all of them that were challenged were dropped. Yes so they were just messing with them. What i meant. When i'm an aspect was the state lease. I meant divide down from county sheriff or your local and he state is different. You know you're in new hampshire. i'm talking about. I was talking to jersey. When i said that i live in pennsylvania so it's the states differ from each other. But yeah when you get down to the county local you know like city metropolitan daddy all have their own different roles. Accessibility for whatever reasonings. That's not why was calling in a sense. Okay why are you calling bullshit on the radio. So thank you goodbye. Sorry man and that's twice with the same word from people. Nice sorry about that call Give it another shot. This is of course a radio show. You gotta keep it fcc friendly. I think he was done anyway. Well he wanted to talk about the great reset right. Oh he started with that. Yeah i'm ready for nightcaps to return and you know as you really y- y bring them back this a little cold right now. I'm anxious for you. Know mid february and march whenever they return. I'm ready for them to return. Because there's a lot of fun and friendly did do one in the middle of december and you get. It was two degrees. We stayed for an hour and i had to spend a lotta time warming my feet up after that. Pretty tough man. I wanted to go. And i was off work and you know i went home and there's a nightcap tonight and i looked two degrees only no i'm all for it but that's a little chilly. We had as many people as we did out there. I think we had like ten. Ten people out. there says was a good one. It frustrates me. Though that i managed to miss every single one of the ones that had cop show up except for when we chase them down when they put that guy for not turning over here on his headlights for that one. But all the other all the other fun adventures of nightcaps hike. I ended up missing. And that sucks so lockdowns don't work according to us statistic stat statistician hate that word. Because they force people to congregate and fewer places which we've talked about repeatedly but now this guy evidently is going to crunch few numbers and you know actually really reveal it to us the altar notes that a lockdown is not the same as a quarantine because under lockdown people only have a limited selection of venues at which they're allowed to gather meaning. Those locations are busier. And therefore mak- virus more transmissible logic. Like we talked about last week. Where oh this. Stores limited as it's ours curfews limit stores hours bars hours and it just forces people to go to those places during those hours. Yeah it used to be that you could go to someplace as twenty four hours a day and now you can't. Yeah so that means you have half the amount of hours in the day that you can go to them and the obvious result of that is more people in the same amount of space. Lockdowns are merely forced gatherings writes the author briggs. People in lockdown are allowed to venture forth from their dwellings to essential activities like spending money at arc run stores. These stores are collection points where people are concentrated somewhere allowed to go to jobs. Such as supporting electric run stores briggs notes that lockdowns concentrate people into fewer areas outside before it then forces them back inside to mingle with a vengeance. It is clear that are one hundred percent. Transmissible bug was spread. Much faster when people are forced to spend more time indoors with each other one person gets it. He will spread it to those in his own immediately. 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It's been a long time. I think. I remember saying around the start of this cova. Not says her. You know six months into it or something that you know cove. It was going to outlast brexit orange on. It didn't actually done anything. They've reached an agreement. I guess well yeah. There's been a whole lot of hot air surrounding brexit but not a whole lot of action. No absolutely nothing has happened so far. As far as i'm aware we knew it was going to be like this. I mean because. I didn't want to do it. Well i mean some people did one okay government. I'm sure some people in the government did i mean for for some people in the state it means more control right so some people love the idea of supranational government like the eu or the or the The united nations united states is another example but so some people. Some bureaucrats are enthralled with that idea but others. I'm sure would rather have their own little fiefdom where they have total domination. And so i think you're going to have a split in between the government guys on this. I like the idea of the uk leaving the united nations. Not the united nations the european union. Simply because. I do think that you know smaller government. It's somewhat easier to hold accountable than larger governments and if fresh traits me that people don't realize that the united states is the same sort of super-national apparatus at the european but the brainwash of what a state is has corrupted people's at the sense to the extent where they think is just some sort of principality or just a region district or whatever instead of an actual sovereign state. But boris johnson has held these glad tidings of great joy in a christmas message on christmas eve after sealing his six hundred and sixty billion pound brexit. Trade deal the. Pm gave the nation and early christmas present as he secured this historic agreement which finally sees the united kingdom take back control from the eu. Four years of bitter wrangling. So it's over so this is it. This is the trade agreement right. They were waiting on. I guess i grab in our chat room right now is saying brexit happened and i guess he means what you're talking about this is it. This is is this the final. Is that a piece of the puzzle. Here i mean it's it's hard to see. These processes are so political there so drawn out there so long. They're so boring. It's hard to really know when it started when it ended. I mean how can you tell. Like what makes it clear that brexit happened are there now checkpoints at the border where there weren't before i mean what is it that you know. How do we know. How can i be. Sure about this. Phone lines are open. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty so. This trade deal is five hundred freaking pages yet reading yup speaking video twitter. He said tonight on christmas eve. He's really going through the ceremony of this. I have a small present for anyone who may be looking for something to read in that sleepy post christmas moment and here it is a five hundred page piece of legislation written by attorneys and lawyers that no one but attorneys lawyers will understand or even care about as a deal to give certainty to businesses travelers all investors in our country from january the first. Oh so evidently it went into effect january. The first a deal with our friends and partners in the eu. You remember the oven. Ready deal by which we came out on january. The first that oven ready deal was just the start. A weird weird. Idioms ma'am i assume he's talking about january thirty first two thousand twenty like a year ago because as you pointed out this crap has been going on for four years. So that's it. That's the good news from brussels. Now for these routes and a ham british people vistor. This is weird idiosyncratic. He received another boost last night as someone in labor vowed that they would back. The deal meaning is likely to sell through the comments next week. Which of course would be this week. And i don't have an update scottish. If i was good at my job i would. Scottish fishing yesterday branded the brexit deal hugely disappointing. But they're still they haven't even seen the full details of the agreement. I look forward to the united kingdom seceding from the european union. I hope they're more successful with it than certain states were from seceding from the united states. He told the nation at a momentous press conference on christmas eve. That brits were right to take back control in his deal delivered what they voted for back in two thousand sixteen. We have taken back control of laws and our destiny. We have taken back control of every jot and tittle of regulation So yeah you're right. He's favorite because it gives him more control more power in a promise to brussels. I mean ultimately. I support all secession movements. I don't care even this if it's socialist movement if it's tyranny you know that they wanna have to enforce on themselves because i don't wanna see more more centralized governments i mean ultimately a massive. Eu is more controlling than you know likely a british government but even so if the britons want to have a more controlling state than let them have it that is clearly what they want. I you could not pay me to go to the united kingdom. I'm not interested either. Same thing's true in catalonia in spain where there's been quite a bit of Secessionist movement to the point where they actually brought in Police from all over the country what. They had a vote to to succeed from spain. Here's some cops. They actually tried to stop the vote from happening. And and those people want more socialism. Those people who are voting aren't freedom fighters they only want freedom from madrid. They don't actually want freedom freedom they just want freedom from the other states in spain and you know what i again. I vala trista. I don't believe in any of these state things. But if that's what these people want then that's what they should have shared. Just don't force it onto others right. Fortunately will yeah. That doesn't mean. I'm against secession. Just because they'll force it onto others. Same thing's true. I want california to be able to secede. Even though i know that that probably means it's going to get even more socialist out there and i feel bad for the people that don't like socialism but you know what you've had a chance to get out of there. Maybe you should actually do it. Maybe you should actually pick up your life and leave california now whether you go to south dakota whether you go to new hampshire whether you go to texas whatever it is that you think is more appropriate for you. You probably don't belong in a socialist hellhole. 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Let's go to the phones. We got a rat. Speed calling using the matrix ever that you can find matrix dot dot. Fm rat speed. You're on free talk live evening. Hello i was wondering if you either of you. Or if anyone and the students have watched the recent video it's it's three three days old now but Protests that happened in public area in london where people were being arrested for hugging one another. Yes i saw one man arrested. I don't know if other people were arrested. There was the gentleman Black gentleman and it looked like it was happening at speakers corner in london where he was hugging consensually. By the way it wasn't like he was going up and you know battering that would be assault. Right he was. Actually you know people were putting their arms out. They were welcoming his hugs and he hugged what appeared to be at least five six maybe eight people and then the police came in and they put him under arrest because they claimed that he didn't know the people that he was hugging and they weren't in his bubble holy crap. Yep it happened now. Compare that to the video. That's currently going viral on twitter. Which is at a Trump protest for counting the votes. The speaker behind the speaker is calling for everyone to give each other a hug. Give a stranger a hug and they start hugging each other. So i started comparing the two and i'm thinking so this i mean the way that we have it in the united states. Is they paint anyone. Who has quote antibac- sir or anti mask. Or whatever the label you want to give them as some kind of a right wing. Protest trump's trump loving supporter. But yet over here in the united kingdom. The person was black and a couple of the people that he was. you know. Light color doesn't matter itself but it's interesting to see how even so you have two different dynamics. He have one where it's being celebrated among people and then you have the other place where you get arrested for it for the exact same action. It's amazing to look at the the relativity of this. And so i would. I showed it to my friends. And i said you know what because the i told them. They showed the trump video. So i showed them this video and i said well. It's better than getting arrested for hugging someone and that person said to me. Well you mean the viruses spreading better. And i'm like no you don't understand it. This is voluntary interaction between two people. I said imagine. If i went to go visit you and you was having lunch with you out on a public street and i give you a hug and we both get arrested for it. That's essentially what. That's what just happened here and trying to get through their head and how it's just it's it's so frustrating. I live in nevada. And i go outside without a mask and you know it's actually pretty nice here. Half the people have masks around half the people don't You know sometimes people are hang around in groups with masks on. Okay i can understand you know. Maybe they have some fear behind. Sometimes i see people walking absolutely by themselves with no one around for hundreds of feet with a mask on yet. I'm like it's a beautiful day out. Why do we need masks. The wind is going to take whatever virus you might have got the most virulent virus ever the moment you breathe out. It's going to float out into the breeze. It's going to go across the river into the ocean. Like why do we need as fear straight up here. That's all straight of fear now. I had to have some some emergency. Emergency some elective surgery. Recently i had to travel to california right and so i'm sitting there the quad without a mask on. I'm just looking around. You know everyone's giving me the weird. I is this california. I don't have a mask. And then i started noticing things that doctors were permitted to go in without getting their temperature checks. That's interesting And then i noticed that the tram there was like a low like a golf cart kind of tram that was carved people around they had plexiglass around it many thinking. There's a virus going around. Why are you trying to contain people inside a non porous surface instead of living in the breeze. Get some fresh air in. Like i said let the virus go out. People are not thinking people are leading the government. Do it for them they figure. Oh well i'll just do what. I'm told these. Politicians they're talking with the experts. The doctors they're the experts even though other doctors are saying the opposite thing But they've chosen the political experts that they are going to just believe everything they're told because they don't want grandma die and it's getting to the point to where people are being arrested and people are saying. Okay that's fine. I'm sorry she's not. But i know it's up to the same similar kind of crazy arrests. I just saw video today out of toronto where the police were arresting people in a parking lot. Who were just going to get some. I think like boba t. Apparently i think singularity from our chat room posted it earlier today on chat dot dot. Fm they were just like in a shopping center. Parking lot and the cops came up and demanded id from them and they then started arresting one of these guys and he said well. What are you arresting me for. And they said you didn't show. Id you refused. You told us to f off when we asked for your id and under this. Reopen can reopen toronto act or reopen ontario. Act you must show. Id or something like that. And they they arrest this guy violently for it and then they start threatening one of his One of the other people that was in the parking lot at the end of the video for the same thing. Yep stop show your papers. That's exactly what this is and it's happening. And i mean the only thing that's i feel still keeping this from happening here is the first amendment. That's really it. That's the only thing the moment that you start shredding apart the first amendment which already has been. It's been with a little way up. That's the only thing that's protecting us away from from the same things that are happening in british commonwealth countries. That and this is the second amendment in places like new hampshire where you can still have a gun at a protest bradsby. Thanks so much for the call. It's disheartening to see. So many people being arrested for stupid things but of course the state was always going to use this as a power. Grab yes your now. It's got these checkpoint can set up and demand you show them your id and if you don't they will arrest you at least that's the case in canada's probably the case in the united kingdom as well i don't know that's just speculation but they're pretty similar in how how tyrannical they are and the uk may be about to get worse. Maybe about to get better. But evidently they've grown up some new borders in regard to this brexit agreement. Yep and again. The gentleman in chat rooms says this thing is done. It's sealed signed it's over. The brexit thing has happened and indeed. This may be proof of it in that there are now new border restrictions being put into place or in place. And according to the bbc's report lucy williamson writing here a post. Brexit trade agreement signed last month. This was better By the way written yesterday signed in december means there are no tariffs on goods sent across the english channel to france. But new regulatory and customs checks do apply more than fifty million pounds or fifty million euros. Worth have been spent on preparing the french side of the channel. For this moment the money was spent on new buildings to carry out the checks more staff more carparks and so-called smart border system designed to keep traffic moving but by midday on monday. Customs officials at the port of calais. Were still waiting to check their first vehicle of the day. That's because there weren't many people traveling. No there's not many people. It was a similar story at the channel tunnel. Frances news smart border system designed to move most of the customs process online appear to be working smoothly only lorries. That require extra. Checks are being stopped. The president of the calais port said. Brexit is not synonymous with congestion. But it's too soon to cry. 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You can buy divvy it several exchanges or directly from the team. And if you need help. There's a link to their telegram channel right on the front page at divvy project. Dot org d. i v. i. project org indeed throughout the last year. Most things have gone up in value relative to the. Us d. whether it's because those things are good or bad it's largely the fault of the usd just constantly plummeting in value as more of it is created out of thin air because that's what the government does gold has had its best year in more than a decade. Has it really last year. According to bloomberg and of course bitcoin. Twenty twenty one. it was a good year for bitcoin. Was it's it's best you though i don't know about that it might have been it depen- if you find it in terms of percentage probably not. I dunno went up over two hundred percent in the whole year. Hundred and eighty percent two hundred and fifty or something like that at least enroll numbers. It was bitcoins. Best year dollars as far as value relative to the cost of goods and services. I guess would be the best way to phrase it but yet everything's doing good except the us dollar but that's not surprising. Yeah it sucks so bad for them but this but that may be changing. Let me take this back here. I'd said two hundred eighty percent. Two hundred fifty. It's actually up over three hundred and twenty percent last year so one year ago today it was definitely important to make that distinction so big banks are finally getting into crypto currency. It would seem we're at least according to marketwatch. Us regulators are saying that banks. Can you stable coins and connect to blockchain's crypt. Now for those who don't know stable coin. Is this interesting. It is because it authorizes them in theory to start holding bitcoin for people which i don't support it but i think that's what they'll end up doing. Well actually what this sounds like. It's doing now pr prior to this. What you're talking about. They were already told by the up of whatever it is at the. That's doing this. What's at stanford officer of the comptroller of the currency officer office of controller of the currency. They had come out with a ruling earlier that that banks were allowed to hold crypto currencies for people. So this is different. This is saying the banks are allowed to transact meaning interbank meaning bank to bank other. They're saying that now. If you're if you have a bank and citibank is a bank that the two banks can now send stable coins instead of using the fed wire or a jew or whatever. Okay so this. Bigger than i expected so cryptocurrency prices briefly popped late monday. What a student's. What a stupid statement to make based on the last three weeks alone of bitcoin has been doing. After federal banking regulator said in an interpretive letter that us financial institutions are allowed to you stable coins per payment activities and can participate as notes in a blockchain. The letter is the latest crypto. Friendly move from the treasury department office are letter removes any legal uncertainty about the authority of banks to connect to blockchain's as validate or notes and thereby transact coin payments on behalf of customers who are increasingly demanding the speed efficiency interoperability and low cost associated with these products. Which isn't iceland prize. The i say. I'm surprised to see this happening with federal regulators. Being so welcoming towards crypto. You letting banks do these things because the banks as you and i have learned are deathly afraid of crypto currency. They're afraid of what the legalities are whether it's illegal for them to allow customers to do these things or they just don't like it because it's it's competition i think at some level some of the banks understand that but i think also smarter banks and there aren't very many of them but Smarter banks do realize that you know they're not out of the game yet and if they can figure out a way to integrate crypto currency into their banking game than that could help them. And i think that it could. It probably could buy them a few more decades. Well you know what they gotta do something. But i want to. I want them to die a soon as possible. I really do want him to go away as well. But i mean there institutions. They're not going to go away without a fight. And they are to some extent protected by the federal government well evidently cryptocurrency has now putting a big dent in the long longevity of banks the move essentially puts blockchain networks on an equal level as global financial networks such as swift. Ach and fed wire the lobbyist group. The blockchain association said in a tweet now. They don't mitch him. Bitcoin specifically but if they can do this with like tether or something to settle debts. Couldn't they in theory also use. Bitcoin could but that would you would only be able to settle something with bitcoin so if there was a dead meaning that bitcoin could only settle a debt of bitcoin. I settle a debt on dollars with bitcoin because the price of bitcoin changing constantly. it's a giant advanced for crypto because it paves the way for these networks to be a former part of the us financial infrastructure. Not necessarily something. I want to see but it's a step in the right direction. I don't wanna see it either but unfortunately the reality of stable coins is with the exception of di. Da which is the most interesting of of stable coins for listeners. that don't know stable. Coin is a crypto currency token. Which means it's this thing that sort of rides on another crypto currency. So when you hear of tether which you mentioned which is the code for that is usd dt and then there's token right correct then there's us d. c. Which is a circle in coin based version where they had their own stable coin. And then there's be usd which stands for by nance usd which is the largest exchange on the planet right. Now they have their own us dollar based stable coin. And then there's others right like this so there's pakistan's has wax pax yet paxos. That's one as well. And so all of these companies that are behind these stable coins are all compliant every single one of them and in fact there was a story earlier in twenty twenty about how was it packs. I think it might have been. Usd t tether where there was a person who was accused of some sort of a fraud or something illegal or whatever that had received or sent tether and tether went back and they retrieved that tether and they undid that transaction because they have the the ability to do that so bitcoin or or tow kuenz are on the theory and blockchain. Almost all of them. There are some. That aren't some bitcoin cash chain. Yeah and i don't know if those other chains have similar controls they probably do. But i'm not sure about bitcoin. Cash i can't speak to that one But the theory version of these things allows for the issuer. Tether in this particular case to just go in and say no and undo a transaction and pull it back now how many levels they can pull it back. I presume all of them. But i guess permanent right. They could in theory go all the way back to the genus. By presume i like. I said i don't know because it's what they call an theorem. It's a smart contract so it's not like your normal crypto where your typical bitcoin. Once bitcoin is sent. There's no undoing that unless they like completely reverse unless they split the blockchain and there there are some very crazy situation. That could happen is actually done that. And that's the number one reason i don't like him. In my opinion if crypto. chris is going to work then. We have to be able to have faith in it. That what it is today is what it is. And that's what it's going to be tomorrow ten minutes done. I the whole idea of rolling back. These changes on the blockchain and creating new ones and undoing things. It's it's changing. It's like an attempt to erase the past and change the past and undermines my faith in the crypto currency. Right which is why is the most interesting of all the stable coin so da is also a us dollar stable coin. But it's not it's unlike the others which are based on like for instance circle or us dc. They've got a billion or two or three billion dollars in a bank account somewhere and that's what backs up this crowd or this crypto token same. Thing's true with i presume. They might have more than one bank account. But they've got here. You know a place where the silly if they only had one bank account where the dollars are being held back. These tokens diet. Doesn't have that die. Uses crypto currency deposits. to back. its tokens and it's very interesting. That still still. They've got these mechanisms that manage to keep it at the price of a dollar is very very interesting and supposedly. There's just what i've read. Die does not have the ability to come in and do an undue and pullback transaction so that makes it the most interesting of those things is definitely the most promising something worth looking into while the letter specifically mentioned stable coins digital currencies are pegged to a relatively stable asset such as gold or the us dollar because there are crypto currencies pegged to go with mike or tether gold. I didn't know there was another goal. Is bitcoin Prices have more volatile cryptocurrency jumped immediately after the loss announcement lost both of those games within hours. And because we're now reading this hour later it has has made up those losses again and is probably at a new all-time high because it's going crazy. It's a good time to get into bitcoin so once again head on over to bitcoin dot com. If you don't know about cryptocurrency and you wanna get into it because it's changing the world. Does this ever happen to you. 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It's called the office of the comptroller of the currency which is going to allow banks to transact with stable coins like us tether and possibly even die as you talked about in addition to wire transfers and ach and things of that nature so these stable coins just got put effectively on the same level as writing a check or swiping a debit card. And that's big news for crypto currency. And i hope to see more of that going forward but of course the banks are going to take years to do anything about it if they move forward in any way shape or form they are. And i know they're custodial wallets are coming. I know one day. You'll install your banking gap and it will have a place right there for your bitcoin. But i read that. And i know it has like pay pal does. Yeah i know it has to happen at some point for cryptocurrency. Move forward for the average person to become more exposed to it and the banks are best suited to do that right. Well i mean a bank helps for people. Because they don't want the responsibility of holding their money. That's why you give it to a bank. Right is because having a stack of cash in your home is risky. And so people feel safer when it's a big vault protected by the bank and so they want other people to hold their funds for them. Of course they also want to make you know some sort of an interest payment on it even though banks barely even give half a percent or a quarter of a percent on an annualized basis these days. I mean it's a joke. The amount of interest that they pay but people still would rather put their money in the banks hands because it feels safer to them. Every time i think about interest. I think about capital one. Am i checking account and my savings account within that they are still paying interest on. They closed this account while they froze it in august of two thousand nineteen. And they're paying you interest on it even though the frozen your funds and you can't actually retrieve them right and as i six hundred fifty dollars so it's not worth it. 'cause yeah i mean that's ultimately what one set every month or something like that is. It's completely stupid. i just one day. I'm going to go to the mailbox. And there's going to be a check their from capital one and it's gonna make me a little bit happier but it's not worth it to. I were them but yeah they're still paying interest on it. My latest savings account at a local bank is actually paying pretty decent amounts. I don't know what the percentage is but it's more than one one cent a month. Yeah well you might have more than six hundred dollars to i probably. Yeah so psychedelics. One of my favorite topics They are replacing pots. They new favourite edgy investment. Evidently really now because psychedelics or what was at. What's the term you prefer entheogen. Yeah that's god within. Is that what that stands for. Okay they are becoming more mainstream with places now. Legalising silla sobbing. Cuban says which are magic. Mushrooms decriminalizing yes. Thank you for the career. Legalizing for medicinal purposes. What we saw in oregon this year. It is now legal for therapeutic use. So you can take you. Can we say the science settled. At least the science is willing to look at it now and you know whereas before was totally prohibited so now we can actually have studies done on suicide simon and other previous previously fully illegal drugs and in fact just go back real real fast to the first hour. You just reminded me of this schuyler. The the guest we had on the beginning. The guy that got arrested outside of sununu house. He said that the cops gave not only gave back his gun in his ammo but gave him back his. We'd at times really are changing. That's insane elsom man. Yeah well on him for you know. Keeping his pot so cannabis is still not fully legal in the united states. This sort of a grey area. I heard early. It is still a schedule. One drug meaning there is no medically according to the federal government. And they're liars there's no medical. Whatever reason or something to use cannabis no medical defend whatsoever. Yeah and of course. That's not true. Total book but i've also heard that there is some sort of momentum to getting that changed in washington. Dc of course who knows whether or not that's true and who knows how long it will take and who knows whether or not it will include legislation to provide condoms to filipino hookers. Yeah it there was a proposal within the last couple of months. It got voted on as i understand it. Thomas massie voted against it. Not because he's against ending cannabis prohibition but because it included a five percent tax federal tax. We know they're going to tax it. I mean they've been taxing get into oblivion and where that they've you know soda whether medicinally or recreationally but all they really need to do is just take it off drugs schedule and then it won't be federally illegal anymore and then it can be up to the states to decide that would be ideal but that's not the way the federal government does things can abyss only on the cusp of many investors comfort zones. But the family offices and high net not worth individuals hungry for early stage as she investments have already moved onto psychedelics. Marijuana's legal headway. Recent years has paved the way for new interest in remedies typically relegated to the black market because as we love pointing out banning. These things doesn't make them go away. It just puts them onto the black market Companies that work with drugs like silla. Simon ingredient magic mushrooms or aiba gain used in how to some native americas ceremony. I'm not gonna attempt to pronounce. Ceo oscar yeah. That's it thank. You are proliferating with early stage. Investors predicting such substances have an even better shot than cannabis at disrupting the seventy billion dollar market for mental health. No doubt yeah. The question now is whether such aims out in time to catch up with all the money flowing in people see this potentially as they get rich quick mechanism just like you saw in the early stages of cannabis right but which companies are going to be. The winners of course is another question. Yeah they feel they don't have they don't they. Don't want to have another fomo situation here now. Foremost has for fear of missing out. And these guys are like okay. I missed the boat on cannabis invest in the cannabis companies and missed the boat. I better get it right. This time and invest in the psychedelic companies. They're saying the same thing about bitcoin saying that they missed the boat. Well the difference between bitcoin and these companies is that bitcoin is not a company bitcoin. Now bitcoin there are human beings that are programming bitcoin. But it's not like a corporation in the traditional sense in that there's no ceo of bitcoin. There's no like you know. Board of directors of bitcoin. There are programs that contribute to code. And somehow that becomes a thing if facebook ever bads me. I'm going to put on my profile. Ceo of bitcoin just to see who who buys it but ultimately that's not what bitcoin another corperation and so when you buy bitcoin you're not buying the sort of human run. I mean there are humans involved and in my opinion the humans behind. Bitcoin screwed it up. Personally it's it's not a your money. It's not a form of money like it used to be but whatever those people do. They're not moving very quickly so anytime soon. We're not likely to see any significant changes to bitcoin. So you're just sort of buying this thing. That is this concept that people can you know they can use it still just expensive to us and do you think that this thing this concept is going to succeed in the future is the question. There were versus. Will this company run by fallible human beings with board of directors and shareholders or whatever. You're betting on a totally different kind of situation there. will these people mismanaged this This company will their product even if they're managing the company. Well will the product actually stick in the marketplace in. There's an and will they be able to beat the competition Somebody could say well. Bitcoin has a bunch of competition too. And it's true sure. One of these other crypto in crypto currency right and one of the may rise to the point where it finally defeats bitcoin and knocks it from the top of the heap. We're not anywhere close to that happening. But it could come sooner than we think and it could come faster than we think so. I mean there are some similarities. But i don't feel like you're comparing apples and apples when he looked missing out the keeping people from buying bitcoin. Like oh i missed the boat on that. And that's what they're doing here. But i'm just saying it's a riskier. Bet as far as you know putting to me at least look putting money into some company. That's gonna do a thing. Supposedly with psychedelics is a much riskier. Bet then putting some money into bitcoin interest holding well certainly. Bitcoin has ten years of history. That's what it does any us doing it very well. Other than the fact that you know is actually not useful as money and the odds that any of these companies are gonna go up three hundred percent in a year. Not very good never mind. Bitcoin was the the fastest growing asset or the most profitable asset for the entire decade of the last not that you should look at it as an asset but that's what the developers of bitcoin have turned it into. This is free talk. 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That's a little better. Okay the So yesterday i had mentioned on your program My court appointed attorney. And i mentioned her by name. Because it's public record. Roberta your chick You're sick your chick anyway For months and months and months. And months i had gotten zero response from attorney your chick when i inquired as to viewing the evidence The evidence to discover all of the discovery materials. I have seen Zero of the information that. I requested her from her on many occasions over the last number of months and then i mentioned her on your program yesterday even after. She ignored the email that i had sent her earlier. In that day. Mentioned around your program yesterday evening and then central another email First thing today. And i almost immediately got a response Saying that she was going to dredge up that discovery information and transmit it to me when she's ignored me for months and months and months. No correlation what does it correlation is not causation. But it's interesting. And i i have intentionally use your Radio program especially on the weekends when you're broadcast live over the airwaves in new mexico To get messages to people like our auditor our governor cetera because having lived in new mexico for almost twenty years. I know if i mentioned any person in new mexico on your radio they will hear about it including right up right on up to the governor. You're giving us much credit but you know thanks. It's well it's happened on multiple occasions when i've said something on your program and then shortly thereafter and and my might just be coincidence but on multiple occasions like this one Something has moved so. It's rather interesting courtroom sexism. Well the the the courtroom sexism was The sane cases and it was interesting to note that There are three different judges involved. Presently there worked for but two of them are female and one of them are male. And because of the way my attorney ms your check had been ignoring me. regarding my input My assistance in my own defense. I was forced as as you may remember at the the second that the judge calls my case in these hearings on the telephone i immediately object in order to be heard on the record because in i have learned that if i need immediately object and get on the record that i will be railroaded into hearing and not be heard at all. And they'll go off the record. And and in the cases where in two cases actually Three different events. Two different judges that were female. Immediately they say basically shut up whereas in the case of the male judge and let me give them credit because he's proven himself to not do this a victor valdez in In albuquerque new mexico did not do that at all he he actually Listened and listened in full to whatever it is that. I had to say anytime that i had something to say. On my case whereas the two females their response one hundred percent of the time was to tell me to shut up. Yeah i mean that's that's an interesting observation. And certainly there's so many different people that have had similar experiences. I imagine within family courts where they feel discriminated against because of their gender and or by the gender that is the opposite of. There's that happens to be behind the bench now. Of course the judges. I'm sure we'll deny any kind of Such discrimination but it's an observation right. Thanks so much for the call. Is there an update to this. Have you had any luck with getting. These charges dropped now. This is all about you calling the radio station. Still correct right. Yeah this was for calling in to the university of new mexico radio station k. You and i'm just like a calling to you and then telling me to get lost in me refusing to get lost because our taxes pay the hundred percent of their budget basically and Then they got me. Written up cited arrested. Whatever on four different charges. I have defeated the of the state of new mexico by da. Raul torres has surrendered me on three of the four charges and the fourth and final one comes to a hearing On this friday at nine forty five. Am and what kind of a trial. It's its status as a pre conference. I'm sorry pretrial conferences what it's titled as which would have been going on for reading. When did they arrest you for this five years ago. It hasn't gone to trial and five years. No no have. You requested a speedy trial. Oh yeah yeah. That's the first you file a request request trial. Did they deny it. Oh no they've been. They have been giving me my speedy trials for the last five years. Is it okay. Well yes heartbreaking. David yup and. I can't blame this one on. Cove it 'cause it's been going on for five years and good luck with that. Keep fighting the good fight in new mexico. I can't that. He requested a speedy trial five years into this and they're just not hearing. That's absolutely insane. So we're talking about psychedelics. Here the overlap. Between the two sectors meaning cannabis psychedelics. It's clear both involves substances. That are federally illegal. In the united states and in many other countries around the world which understandably puts off many institutional investors but it also leaves the playing field open to high net worth individuals and family offices for whatever reason yet there are also huge differences psychedelics which can involve intense side effect plagued trips so can cannabis to have the widespread recreational appeal of marijuana and with all the talk about microdosing productivity booster or mood hack which has little to do with the narrow regulatory pathway see psychedelic startups are treading. There's a fear. The market could see a bubble. Just like cannabis did now. 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Being the door person was completely wasted. All you got to talk with some people talked to every single person who entered but yeah. It wouldn't even fun to screw with the police. They didn't show up. That was not the point of the party. The party was to have a party. Yes and we did and we did did not successfully have a party. No they failed unfortunately well they had the party but they got cracked down pon and it wasn't just france. Actually france was interesting because the police failed at cracking down on that party they actually retreated after the revelers through things at the police and then lit one of their cruisers on fire. Lit like a police van on fire so kudos to the french. French ravers man didn't hurt anyone. Well i don't know look if once again. There's the topic of violence is being discussed in our chat. Room right now and I got no problem if somebody wants to oppose the police attacking them and oppose your defense right so if a cop is coming in and trying to bust up party and they're going to hurt people because that's what they do know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna shed any tears if some cop takes a bottle to the side of the head during that process of those people trying to defend their party. I'm not gonna shed aaron points. But that said i do generally oppose violence as as a solution but In in the united states things did not go so well in places like new york city which we did report on at least three parties in new york city being taken out by sheriff's officers or whoever whichever goon squads were rating those. We talked about that. A harsh where these parties Some of them as large as two to three hundred. Okay ten dis. And here's another story from the blaze dot com los angeles county sheriff's department crack down on new year's eve parties by employing it's super spreader task force god. The strict clampdown resulted in hundreds of partygoers being detained arrested and find the superspreader taskforce was comprised of quote hundreds of detectives patrol deputies and specialized response teams unquote. The coronavirus lockdown enforcers crashed. Five large new year's eve parties in los angeles malibu. Hawthorne an pomona the illegal celebrations were held in speakeasy locations such as upscale homes. Vacant warehouses a doubletree hotel and shuttered businesses. I'm confused what the point of even breaking up. This party is if it's all about the spread of covid nineteen or whatever wouldn't the damage already be done by that point it would but they see they can't just they can't just let people do this otherwise they will be seen as impotent They are impotent. In the face of these of a virus they are they are but this is all about power. Okay we know. It's not about the virus. We know that the virus is going to spread. We've seen the evidence. I think it was during the shows. Captain kick ass brought in study where they looked at the military where the military put in like the military lockdown where they had like a special zone with participants in this study and they were like cleaning the bathroom every time they used it they were cleaning everything everywhere constantly. The the food was sanitized. Or whatever when it was brought in there were tracking. Every i mean they had all of the possible strictures that they could possibly have. These people weren't allowed to leave the military so they're really good at this sort of disappeared doing what they're told right like they're following the orders. They've got a protocol and they're following it and they actually had no significant. I think it was actually slightly more of a or c same or slightly more basically. It's statistically insignificant difference between infection rates within this study versus outside of this study so it didn't matter how restrictive that they got but what matters to the state is whether or not people obey and so they can't allow a party to go on if it's not about like if the word gets out that this party is is happening in the state get did nothing about it. Then they look like well. They're paper tiger. They look like they're telling people what to do but they're not willing to put any force behind it so hey go out and have a party because the cops won't do anything about it so they have to do it. They have to make a show of cracking down. So people know they're still in charge and so in our case they didn't do that which is nice right. So that's the thing when you do civil disobedience you put the state into this position where either they look like. They're being tyrants by cracking down on the peaceful activity such as a candlelight vigil or they look like they're not doing what they're supposed to quote unquote be doing right. They look like they failed in their duties. They look like they're impotent. They look like they're laws are meaningless. Which you know is a nice thing to make them look like you know. It's just occurred to me. That picketing is illegal in residential areas and the area where emperor it lives. new fields. New hampshire is karaoke illegal. Their karaoke is prohibited. In from what i understand any business basically so few audit it would be public property. They would come. They would come at you with disorderly conduct ta. They would say catch off for everything all they would say. Excuse me ma'am. The neighbors have complained. And so therefore if you continue to sing through that amplified microphone. We will arrest you for disorderly conduct. How the heartland and that'll be a hard one to be deaf so parties are happening. What you had an update about the one hold on. Let me tell you a little bit more about this. One los angeles news station because again multiple parties were targeted in the la area. News station k. T. tv was on the scene on many of the parties that were broken up by the police. Based on footage most of the offenders appear to be in their late teens and early twenties. Who are at almost no risk. Yep got it over. Nine hundred people detained ninety arrested and or given citations and law enforcement announced. They recovered at least six guns. Because unlike new hampshire when you get arrested in california with a gun on you it don't go so well like here. You get back to you friday there. You probably go into prison. She's quote. i made it. I've made it clear that we will seek out and take law enforcement action against all super spreader events occurring anywhere within los angeles county according to los angeles sheriff alex villanueva. He continued to threaten saying the goal of these enforcement is to reduce the spread of covid nineteen and the risk to our vulnerable populations. And we know. That's not true. As we just discussed the goal is to show that. They're serious that they're in charge l. a. s. d. that i don't know which. La sheriff's maybe Captain francesco francisco. Said quote we are actively enforcing the super spreaders to predict protect against covid. Once we confirmed there was a party. Here we had our superspreader task force responded detain the occupants it's laughable isn't it the superspreader taskforce. That's no imagine when you were becoming a cop. You thought you were going to go after. You know the murderers the rapists the drug dealers or whatever. You thought the bad guys were. You probably never imagined to something. Called the superspreader task force. I mean it sounds almost pornographic. How can they take pride in their work. If they're part of the super spreader task force and it does sound like ton ca. We're doing this. Lieutenant john satterfield. Who said we're going ahead and writing citations to the people that knowingly placed others in jeopardy by having a large gathering there was no social distancing. There were no masks so now the horror unsafe and ear responsible. I'm just surprised to hear about this happening in los angeles county one frustrated reveller told katie quote. We're tired of closing this. S down my have lost businesses and all that s and we just wanted to have some fresh air man. That's what's going on. We wanted some fresh air. They come out with tanks and all man s is crazy. that's totally something somewhat in los angeles would say six zero three. Two eight three sixty one sixty are these eighteen. 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Yeah theory actually has gained a little bit in in recent days and dash is now below. let's see four tenths of a percent of a bitcoin right now. The last two years obscene minero dasher. Minero minero is down below four tenths of a percent of a bitcoin and over the last two years. The price of a minero is down seventy percent compared to bitcoin. So let's rough too. Cheap definitely gonna get there if you actually care about privacy and having a currency that is actually usable as money. Minero is the one to go with when you look at the. Us dollar price. It's up up one hundred and eighty percent in the last two years compared to the dollar. We'll see. I prefer to look at it in terms of the dollar because at this point i think people should be escaping from the us usd into cryptocurrency escaping from bitcoin into better crypto currencies. That's good That's fantastic but most people have to. I escape the usd. I love minero. I think it's a great crypto. It's the i used it extensively at fork fest last year. It's the first one that is dark only meeting or shielded only meaning. Every transaction is a shielded transaction whereas other so-called privacy coins like z. Cash for instance ninety nine plus percent of the transactions on that network are public that you have to a lot of hoops or something to make your transactions private. It's not a lot of hoops. it's just you have to choose to make a transaction private and those people don't bother if you forget if you offer people the choice of doing something private then you're immediately going to get people saying well why why shield your transaction. If you're not doing anything illegal. So i would just rather not have the option there at all. We'll get private by default. The answer to your question is because they don't deserve to know right. Whatever it is. You're doing whether it's legal or not. No one in the government should know about it. And that's the nice thing about cash you know. Even though it's the dollar and the dollar sucks and any any Government currency is subject to inflation. And there's problems with it right. The nice thing about cash is that it is untraceable. Meaning that if i give you a stack of caches long as us do it. It's an anonymous transaction. Yep and so naro is the equivalent originally when potosi nocco came out with the bitcoin white paper which by the way i believe is today or yesterday or something. It was like this week. I believe is the twelfth anniversary of bitcoin. The twelfth birthday. Oh wow birthday. Bitcoin being being released to the world and bitcoin was called a what was it called appear peer to peer cash system or electron cash system. I believe is what it was was called. And that's what it is but it's not like cash in that. Bitcoin is traceable so minero is actually a more perfect a perfect perfect but it's more and improved. It's an improvement on the original. Bitcoin affect some people believe that manera was actually also programmed by toshi nakamoto or at the very least programs by someone who took on some similar mannerisms in the way that they they spoke. I want to believe that. Satory nakaboto made minero So i choose to sure. But there's no evidence to support it really. Have you done. Yeah and that's probably for the best. Whoever sortation akimoto isn't whoever made the narrow we should probably never have their identities indeed especially minero. Yeah but there is good news for minero Evidently this dark net website. I don't remember the name of it. The white house market. They have stopped taking bitcoin. And you can now only purchase goods and services on their website using minero. I am surprised it took this long. Honestly i just a high to find that there are still any dot net sites take bitcoin. Yeah right it's like hello. Why would you wanna with bitcoin when you can pay with minero on dark so for listeners. That don't know the dark net is. It's generally considered what's available on tour but there are some other anonymous networks. Like i two p and i think freenet is another one But towards the becky and so any marketplace that operates in under the cover of one of these anonomity shields is called a dark net market. Now usually they're known for selling drugs but there's other things for sale on their such as you know fake id's or hacking tools or other categories and some of these things aren't illegal or even shady. I'm sure if you really wanted to for whatever reason you could go on one of these sites sent by a recliner. I never looked for recliner. I haven't either. I don't know why anyone would want team but could you could. I did see there was one. I don't remember if it was silkroad or when it when it was because i've gone to a bunch of these sites over the years to into investigate them. Carl listrik investigation. And and i did find taryn. Luca's books -tarian books. Someone who i don't know taryn himself selling them or or what. Somebody was ellen books on their awesome. So yeah you can technically sell anything that anybody would want to buy. But yeah i. I don't know if this is newsworthy. Because white house market is the first market to actually do this. Where according to bitcoin dot com. They have dropped bitcoin payments and now accepts minero only the dark net marketplace administrators detailed. There was an issue with a payment processor blocking tour exit nodes but the full transition to manera was always planned. A number of crypto proponents have reported on on the dark net marketplace white house dropping these bitcoin payments in order to support manera which is also known as m r one individual on twitter wrote. Okay there's a saying the same thing news dot. Bitcoin dot com confirmed the change by visiting white house markets onion. Url nephew get too dark. Marketplace's here's a good way to do it. You can get get the tour browser bundle which is downloadable for phones. It's downloadable for laptops about that. Don't phone so really. I mean. I know the technology is there. I know as possible but your phone is spyware is perpetually spyware. That's a good point. I mean certainly we know the. Nsa has abilities to access certain things that make it hard to really have any privacy whatsoever. But i mean if you are going to be using the dark net. You can do it that way. It's probably better to to do it over toward well. I mean you can't get the cnet sorry sites if you don't use tour so it's like okay but i agree with you the safest way if you really want to go out there to get one of these Tour boot drives just tail. Yeah yeah that is absolutely the safest way. And then you've got a little a little flash drive you can plug into any computer boot from the flash drive in. It doesn't keep any logs. it doesn't keep any files. That's absolutely the best way to do it. I would say the second best way is to do it on a lennox system and everything else is dangerous like windows. Oh i would sell windows. I mean if you're on windows or the dark neck and on windows don't don't do anything illegal. Yeah 'cause windows also spyware yep. I mean it's in their terms of service at spyware. Yep absolutely but bitcoin payments are no longer being accepted here. And that's good news and if you don't want spyware then go with minero because i mean at this point. We can almost say that bitcoins. It destroys your privacy your financial privacy. Some really you know professional tools out there available now to do what they call chain nalysts where they are analyzing the blockchain where they can say. Oh award this. Bitcoin come from and then to put the wallet address the transaction in the in the system and then it just pulls up whatever info that they need to find out yeah because it is all public and eventually you know if you posted a bitcoin address to twitter at some point you know your bitcoins ended up in the hands of dot net marketplace or whatever. It's not going to be pretty good. They can trace it back all the way to the genesis block and again minero doesn't have that problem so good on the people at the white house market and it does say here. That white house market is the only dark net market. That has manera so kudos to them for that. I hope it helped him stay alive absolutely. That's it for us tonight. We'll be back tomorrow night. In the meantime you could find us online. Over at freetalklive dot com. Check the program to for all of the teachers we talked about. That's not freetalklive. Dot com dot fail. 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Let me tell you about what's coming up in the next sports byline bobby valentine will be here ten years in the major leagues but also managed on several occasions in the majors as well. Very interesting guy. I've known for a long time so we'll talk to him. Luke walton will drop by now the head coach at sacramento. Get some nba. Talk in here as well and then as you know recently over the last two weeks we've lost an awful lot of athletes people in sports and we have a section that we do when we lose somebody called. We remember and on thursday edition of sports. Byline we will remember the late. Kevin greene water linebacker hall of fame. Linebacker was a little bit on the undersized part but he had a heart and he really had a passion for the game as his former coach. Don capers said and so we will remember. Kevin greene also talk some football with former quarterback jay fiedler and then on friday. We'll have our nfl. Football preview with bruce marshall. And also roy eisenhart will drop by to take you inside. Angle is the name of that segment as we break down. Some of the things happening in sports as we always do on a tuesday. Brian billick is going to be here. We call that segment inside the game. You seem on the. Nfl network was the head coach of the baltimore ravens when they won super bowl thirty-five against the giants Later on in this hour we will be talking with roger. Wurley some football hall of fame. Cornerback with the saint. Louis cardinals and a member of the nfl's nineteen seventies all decade team and also had a fourteen year career and sandwiched in between kendrick will be here the president of the negro leagues museum and the head. Negro leagues historian that museum in kansas city. So we're ready to go good to have you here on america's sports talk show rates have dropped to near all time lows at clear path. Lending rates are as low as one point seven five percent but a thirty year fixed rate mortgage one point. 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Game ask game on the regular schedule between washington football club and also the philadelphia eagles. A lot of talk about what was done there by eagles. Coach doug peterson. Late in that ballgame. Replacing jalen hurts for nate. Sud failed your thoughts on it from a coaching standpoint. I know there's been a lot of talk about it and certainly those. It felt like that was was a competitive manage. Those new york obviously not real thrilled about it in that they feel like it costs them a playoff spot but in the end of the day when you look at the game. Yeah jalen hurts. Ran around did some things with his legs. But he was seven of twenty throwing the ball wasn't converting with his arm on third down. I gotta believe the coach. Peterson just felt like he needed something. Different in a very closely fought game to go in and try to get a spark or try to change what they were doing. Authencity it is interesting. It's gonna create obviously in the off season when you talk about this incident. How jalen hearst played the cap money that his own carson wentz. I i just don't know how philadelphia is going to deal with the cap hit if they should try to trade or cut carson wentz This is this is sizing up to just a monumental headache for the philadelphia eagles in the off season going into next year. You know one of the things. I think about as we always talk about losing the locker room and i've got to believe off of reactions that i've seen from eagles players that they were just so unhappy. That apparently was a couple of confrontations over with coaching staff. I mean i would think that he has lost. That team's confidence. Well that could be the case and it's just going to get worse because if indeed the locker room is split of that and they don't see it that way and the players the players see what it what it is and depending upon the relationship with carson wentz Jalen hurts very dynamic individual coming into it. They obviously obviously gave them a spark. The last month of the season something they hadn't had in philadelphia. You're right this is gonna be a tough one for for. Doug peterson for mr laurie. The owner for high rose the general manager to get this team back and get them believing because they now have an office off season to kinda get healthy and put the pieces back together but this quarterback controversy in the way it was handled is going to be something for them to handle. All the way leading into next season and continuity is really important brian. And yet you've got a guy that comes into the game late in the game. It's on the line. Nate sued failed. Who hasn't thrown a pass since two thousand eighteen and he had some real problems to getting started. I mean he fumbled the ball. Bad passes that sort of thing i mean. I don't see that. That is everything. I i've never heard of before in. Nfl competition. yeah and and the fact that he did play supposedly it had did not have. It's not like he. He put carcinogens back. In the game or more veteran that when ryan fitzpatrick goes back in the game for to attack a via low at miami that you know there's a reason for that and you're able to negotiate it going forward so yes this is gonna be a tough one for philadelphia to negotiate all the way through the offseason and of course after the regular season you have black monday and three more head coaches. Join the ranks of those fired. The chargers anthony lynn. Doug marrone jacksonville in the jets. Adam gays was. Let go as well joining bill. O'brien at houston dan. Quinn atlanta and the lions matt patricia. When you take a look at those openings at all those teams which one appears to be the most appealing to coach that might want to have a head job or or wants to change teams. Well we're always asked that this time of year and what's interesting this year first. Nfl jobs hard to come by. Okay so every job is a good job. But you usually simple okay. What's the quarterback situation. How readily can i fix it. Because that's the way your organization's going to go. And when you look at these clubs some interesting i mean. There's some good quarterbacks. You look at detroit in matthew stafford shawn watson one of the great really young quarterbacks in the game with the texas nat ryan With the falcons. I mean these. These are market. Quarterbacks that sell could certainly play Anthony land in with the chargers now with this young a justice. Herbert it's really really looks. Good and you're looking at both the jets and the jaguars with the first and second pick with three very interesting quarterback prospects coming out of the college game. They're gonna have lots of options. Trevor lawrence from clemson justin fields from ohio state. And the young man. Zack wilson from byu. So this is going to be an interesting there. What might trying to say as all the jobs are going to look good. Because you're going to have options at the quarterback position. How hard is it to evaluate. What a coach did this season. I know you've got the record that always jumps out at you but when you give the dynamics of what the season was like with cova limited -tunities in preseason and exhibition games. In everything i mean. Is it really fair to evaluate are. Just use that record as the lone evaluator for firing coach. Yeah it's not fair but that's the nfl and it's going to be done anyway. You're right. I mean when you look at it you kind of think. Well every coach ought to get a mulligan here. But we saw it with three firings during the season both in in in detroit and houston and atlanta And then after the season's over anthony anthony land again. They found a good young quarterback and justin herbert but they had what seven seven games that they lost after leading. That's just gonna leave a mock management's not going to let that happen and in jacksonville doug marrone who's has struggled. The last few years part of the equation. I know is that particularly has jacksonville is going to have to do to go. Get a new quarterback. If you're gonna do that you pretty much have to get a new coach because otherwise you can't get out of sync if it's a coach. Spend there for awhile and you get the rookie. And he has a typical rookie year. Then you fire him now. The rookie has to make a new adjustment So that was that was the one that was probably the most predictable in that. They're going to new direction at the quarterback position so they did the same thing at the coaching position. Let's talk about the wild card weekend. Saturday tree of games. You've got the number two seeded bills against the number seventy colts. Rams and the seahawks will square off again. This will be up at seattle. And also the buccaneers going up against washington. The late game. That'll be on saturday. How do you see those three indianapolis and buffalo game is maybe the most intriguing buffalo's just such a tremendous story. Josh allens playing as well as any quarterback has played in a long time in. This guy is special. The defense is getting better and indianapolis. This is a sneaky good team. They're running the ball better now. Playing really good defense. Philip rivers is played as well as i've seen so this is maybe the most intriguing matchup for me for the rams and seattle. They know each other very well. the rams are having to play with the backup quarterback you would think this would be a seattle all the way with russell wilson at home. Even though there's not gonna be the home crowd and tampa washington washington's a great story in the way they've gotten here i think tampa matches up very well with washington at defense is very very good but alex smith quarterback and the defense against tampa bay. They're not a particular vertical team or tampa bay with that group of godwin and evans. If he doesn't eat black you now get In tonio brown i think tampa matches up very well with the redskins. Let's talk about the sunday games. That's the ravens who are number five seed against the number four seed the titans and then you've got the bears against the saints. The saints are a number two seats and the browns which are still having lots of problems with kovin in their organization. Going up against the number. Three seed the steelers. What do you think yeah interesting particularly with the browns. Kevin stefanski the head coach. A couple of other coaches and some and some players you know this is what the league was worried about. They were able to negotiate that during the course of the season by postal postponing. some games. Moving some things around. We can't do that with the playoffs So the the the browns are going to interesting challenge to go in without their head coach. I held the involved during the week. and crafting the game plan but did not have that presence on the sideline for the biggest thing is for baker. Mayfield did not have that voice in his head. Now that that's going to change in terms of the play calling This is a lot for cleveland and pittsburgh they've arrested ben rothlisberger They should hold on pretty well at home Chicago new orleans may be the best team in the nfc. Their complete drew brees seems to have gotten back into rhythm after having been on the sideline Again they're complete team chicago loss to good green bay team But still made the playoffs. They they Interesting story mitchell trubisky. Lots going to fall on his shoulders going to be alive for him to keep up and keep pace with drew. Brees new orleans saints and baltimore tennessee. I think baltimore's the best team in the nfl right now. Top to bottom offense defense you throw in the special teams was sam. Cooke and justin tucker No one has as complete a package as more right now with no disrespect Disrespected to kansas city. But i think baltimore's moore's complete team the one team that can really challenge them. Would be the tennessee titans with derrick henry as they did the last two times they played them beat them in the playoffs last year. Surprisingly and this year beat them as well. Why because henry man the ball and one hundred thirty three yards rushing this year almost two hundred yards on last year. What does that do it. Controls the clock time of possession doesn't allow that offense to get cranked up. But i think baltimore's playing at such a high level right now. They've overcome the adversity that they didn't have to last year. They kinda cruised into the playoffs. And maybe a little overconfident. This is a battle tested team. I think baltimore is going to be in great shape to be tennessee and twenty seconds. Derrick henry two hundred and fifty yards over two thousand yards. How impressed as a coach. Would you be looking at those numbers. I think he's the most dynamic and dominant player in the nfl today in the way he can impact the game and i know that sang a lot with aaron rodgers playing padma home and we just talked about josh allen but his ability when they get the thank cranked up He's a capable of making big. 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If you're ever in kansas city i urge you to stop by and take it in and of course i wanted to have bob on because the announcement was made by major league baseball that they finally decided to include the statistics from negro league baseball along with the major league baseball statistics. And i saw a quote. Bob that said by the time this stuff gets implemented and integrated with the regular major league data. The numbers will be a little bit different more complete. And i think that's what we needed to have in baseball as well. What was your reaction to the announcement by major league baseball. It was exciting. It really rise. And although i'll be honest rodney. It wasn't my initial excitement. When i first when i first caught wind of this because i was like a lotta people. I didn't even know about this. Nineteen sixty nine commission. That had blatantly disregarded the negro leagues as exactly what it is a major league and so someone wrote about it and then it started to kind of pick up some traction and there was these questions swirling around about it and with it reached me and the thought that major league baseball in some way shape form the validating the players from the negro leagues and i took a little offensive that initially because i knew so many of these players. S you did you. You know how proud they were. They knew how good they were. And they know how good their legalize and so they never thought validation from anyone and that was kinda my position. But then i had to be really look outside of myself and start to think about what this man from a historical perspective even beyond the numbers and i know people will be enamored with staff. Because that's baseball but for me the stats are only contextual. You never be able to reduce the negro league suggested pistol data and so when i started to look at it for its historical marriage is historical significance. It really dawned on me. Just how big this could be. And then as major league baseball was going through the process of making this decision. They clue me in on what was going on. And so i had to prepare. You know knowing that this was going to happen and so but it was still mad. If it's such a tremendously proud for me. All of the negro leagues baseball museum. And honestly i think all of us who called the negro leagues home in some way shape form of fashion. What does this do as far as telling the story of baseball overall in your mind bob. Well it helps remind people of just how great these leagues were the negro leagues and how courageous these athletes who as i like to say forced a glorious history in the midst of an inglorious time in american history and i do think ron that it makes the work that we do here in kansas city at the negro leagues baseball museum. That much more meaningful. Because i don't want. I don't want to see happen. Is that twenty thirty years from now. A new baseball fan will look at these statistics and see this integration of all these players there and think that it was that way all the time. It is important that they understand that. These leagues were segregated. At one point in time it was bad. No necessarily desire of those black players that they weren't included in the major leagues and so they did do create their league and this league became a great league. And i don't want that to be lost but added helps paint a greater picture a higher profile for what the negro leagues represented the courageous owners. Who financed these teams and the players. Who played against the backdrop of american segregation. This is quite significant. I've been asked by a number of people with these numbers when they're added to the major league baseball numbers. Will they change any of the records. Can you clarify that a little bit. I don't know how they're going to be integrated. We're speculating like everybody else. Along these lines but you would think that that would be some impact. I don't know if it'll be A tremendous they all tremendously but we can kind of played at what if gag. You know because now. Josh gibson's epic nineteen forty-three season rod when he hit and astounding four forty. One that's likely now. The greatest single season batting average in baseball history. If they are incorporated in that manner now his home run totals. Maybe diminish som- because now you're only looking at league games and legal paid much shorter season then the major leagues. But you know you gotta hold out of smart people who can likely take all the at bats and figure out okay. Well if he places the mini games over x. men a game he would hit these many home runs. But that's what. I was really smart. People was not very good in probability. Statistics some on the net after them. So you'll see a little bit of a teeter totter on what these records might mean. So now it's already wilson. The last guy hit four hundred. He hit four hundred. Nineteen forty eight it will. It may no longer be ted. Williams and with the monarchs now get credit for starting night baseball in nineteen thirty as opposed to the cincinnati reds and nineteen thirty five. So it's a lot of what if as we look at what might happen with the integration of these statistics and facts that stem from the negar leagues as well. Yeah my point out. Only the statistics from official negro league games will be counted by. Mlb not any ex- exhibitions. You know. I've had the honor of interviewing many of the negro league players. The that are still living and the one thing i have come away with when i reflect back on my collection of interviews with them is one the pride that they took and playing baseball the way they played and also the fact that they're i'm sure happy whether they're living or not that finally this was done. It validates their lives and their careers. Do what it does is like. I say it validates their accomplishments right and historical context and those families. Who many of them i communicated with last week when this announcement was made you're right they are bristling with pride. They are so elated that their loved ones. Many of them who have long been come are being remembered and that also resonated with me as well and so. yeah. I tip my cap to commission commissioner. Manfred for making this move. 'cause they didn't have to do anything you know this little footnote in baseball history kind of embedded and they're folk knew about this. You know unless you were a major historian of major league. Baseball probably didn't even know that commission ever existed And that is rule had been kind of implementing or this blatant mission of the negro leagues had occurred and major league baseball particularly in this year the hundredth anniversary of the birth of the negro leagues. Which we've been celebrating year long. You know in spite of corona virus. is significant and it was the perfect way to tap off. What has been an amazing centennial. Celebration of the negro leagues. We have two and a half minutes. Left you know the statistics better than anybody else when it comes to the negro leagues. What are some of the other statistics. People may not know about that. You'd like to share with people. Well i it is really going to be interesting because we look at it from the standpoint of all the games they play you know honestly had it been me. I would have taken all the games that we had information on those players. You know not just limited to league as because again. It was no fault of their own that they could play in the major leagues. And so the whatever it might be an eighty game season is not going to give you a clear. Cut picture of how great these players were is not going to tell you that jail wilkinson who owned the kansas city monarchs would literally higher satchel out to other teams the great satchel page and he paid got paid he would fly. Go play with these teams and bring it back to play with the monarch. It's tell you that you know what i'm saying so yeah it won't give you a true picture of satchels greatness but it will give him some perspective. What i think will happen players like the great monte irvin who had a long career in the leagues who then moved over to the major leagues. Well he had a lifetime batting average with the giants of to ninety three which is pretty doggone good considering he was thirty years old when he got there so he was a very good player when he got to the giant but it was a great player for the newark eagles and so when you incorporate his negro league numbers his home run totals his batting average. Now will likely be somewhere between three ten three fifteen and you know how we look at three hundred. We just look at them differently than we do to ninety three. You know we all have a point but we look at the difference and so. I'm happy that if that is indeed the case that monte now becomes a career three hundred light combinator a player like minoso. We'll likely see him move up in several different categories and made it makes us hall of fame case even better. Now you know so. Those are kind of things that in back of my mind and again. This is me not fully understanding how these numbers are going to be integrated but again. That was that. I thought about well. I wanna thank you very much for sharing those thoughts. I find it fascinating as i always have about the negro leagues in about a year. History with them as well take care my friend. Happy holidays ron. Thank you bob. Kendrick with us the president of the negro leagues museum and is the head. Negro leagues historian. And if you're ever in kansas city. I hope you'll check out the museum. We continue across the country and around the world. We've got you on sports byline. The number one gift. This stressful year relaxation from home. Medics now at up to thirty percent off soothing stress for over thirty five years. How medics is the top home. Assange products brand with gifts for every aching muscle on your list with select items up to thirty percent off and free shipping on orders over fifty dollars. 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Roger wehrli joins us on sports byline inducted into the nfl football hall of fame after a fine fourteen year career all with the saint louis cardinals over fourteen years seven times. He went to the pro bowl. He played his college football at the university of missouri and he has also been elected to the college football hall of fame. I was reading a quote from you which you said. This is kind of the capper to your career. The quote was something like this puts a cap on and it's a dream come true. Can you put it into words for me. Roger about what it actually does mean to a player to know that they're going into their sports hall of fame. Well it is. You know it's just a something is i said you know a dream come true and that that's really what it is you know in fact even more than a dream because i really You know when you when you grow up and watch sports you're playing it and you're involved in it and Looking ahead is something that i just really never did but It just kind of came to me through college and got the opportunity to be drafted by the cardinals. And i just enjoy the moment all the way through. And then Didn't really think about at the time. Anything like the hall of fame or something and then you know the last few years i've been on the ballot and and it's come down to the to the final vote You know it's something that you you dream of. But really i thought it'd probably pass me by because this was the last year that i was eligible without going into the seniors division and then all of a sudden in in the last year that maleable it happens and and you know it's just it just really takes you by surprise and and makes you very humbled to see that you're in there with the guys that You know you you've seen play and and played against it you know just the greats of the game and you know i'm just Just very thankful that had happened. And i they have been on cloud nine and haven't come down yet. You played over a fourteen year career which is actually over three different decades the end of the sixties through the seventies and into the early eighties. There are a lot of people who probably don't know how football was played back then in a different era almost at a said tell everybody how the game was rule. Wise in what you couldn't couldn't do at that time well. The backs were allowed to do a little more to the receivers back. Then you know they. They've brought in some rules to protect the receivers and which obviously Opens up the passing game a little bit more We were able to bump the receivers down the field as long as they were between us. And the and the quarterback nowadays. They can't do that. After they're off the vine a scrimmage five yards so they'll sell those things have changed other than that the that the battle between the defensive back in the receiver is is pretty much the same. I think you know it's It's just a one on one battle You know you have to try to win. And roger i really feel that you and the other athletes have played during that particular time. We're what i would call complete athletes. And what i mean by that is if you take a look at the nfl today. You've had third-down substitution. You've got nickel packages dime packages. You guys were pretty much. You know you just played right through at all whether the theme was gonna run on this particular play or pass on it. Yeah we had to obviously yeah We followed the the wide receivers around whether they whichever side the slot they were on and and usually against the one of the top receivers of the team certainly and and We had we had somewhat Some nickel coverages would bring in An extra defensive back against especially some of those spreads formations that the dallas cowboys used in a few of those that were a little more kinda the forerunners of of the spread. Offense is that they run today but You know the game is is the same and in in different at both at the same time Certainly certainly it's more wide open game. I probably mostly because of the real changes. Dan devine recruited you to play at mizzou. And i got to know dan when he was the coach of the green bay packers and we had some very interesting as i was with. Cbs at that time. I'd go in. And i have a chance to talk to him as we prepared for the game and every i always thought he was a gentleman. Can you talk a little bit about him. Why did you end up mizzou. What was it that he sold you on roger that got you to go to the zoo. Well i they say. He recruited me with a milkshake in a movie. That's about right. I came from. I'm from missouri. So i grew up here and and really from a very small school. We only had twenty eight in my graduating class in high school. So you know. I wasn't highly recruited at all. I was re. I was recruited in basketball and football from northwest missouri. State and really missouri was the only Major college that looked at me and offered me football scholarships so that was it wasn't like he had he had to recruit me very hard. I would certainly wanting to go there because it was my home state school. And and Thought it was a great opportunity for me and certainly glad that. They offered me scholarships because It it meant a lot to me. What was the movie. i don't even remember it. Was dan devine in the sixties. Course had a great tradition here missouri of winning football. He was he was the winningest coach in college. Football and a decade and sixty so and in all here in missouri and that was just You know to join that program and be a part of that was just a thrill and You know just a fun experience. And i was able to help with that. The in some sixty six through sixty eight season and you know we ended up going against alabama and the gator bowl my senior year and winning that game so just a a great Experience being here at the university of missouri after those four years at mizzou nineteen sixty nine. The cardinals make you their first round draft choice. And i always assume that it's a it's a plus in a minus to play for a team. That's almost a homegrown hometown. Type of team. What was that experience like for you. Well happy to be here. You know obviously someplace close. Some parents. Followed me to mizzou and win. Watch most every missouri football game home and away and You know by by being battered by the cardinals and staying here in my home state. I had a lot of fans and and knew a lot of people and of course my again my parents were able to come and watch almost all the home. Games here in In saint louis so so that was really nice. You know to look back on and and have that opportunity was certain. I was certainly fortunate. Obviously you know. I joined the team. That has larry wilson. Who was you know. Just an idle You know as the safety and being able to play with him for four years. When i first came in the league was it was a great experience and and Certainly enjoyed my time here saying look at that time the saint louis cardinals were in the nfc east. I was a young sports castro in washington. Dc times. I would travel and cover the games. The redskins were playing. And so i do remember watching you in the early part of my broadcasting career and and and everything but that nfc east. I don't know how to describe it. You had the redskins you had the giants you had the eagles you had the cardinals and you had the dallas cowboys. I mean that was one heck of a division. It really was very tough division in. Knock down drag out fights every year with all those teams and You know it seemed like every year. Dallas was the america's team at that time that's what they were called and they were. They had a great great bunch of players. And you know they were the team that we always felt. We had the beat if we wanted to to go anywhere in the division and get into the playoffs and and We had some real good luck against them at at different times. And and then especially in the mid seven. He's a seventy four seventy five seventy six when the cardinals had really put together a good team under coach. Don coryell Just a pleasure to play in that era here in saint louis because it wasn't a good time and and and we had some great football just We always sad that we weren't able to continue that Through the late seventies in keep coryell here for a while longer but he went to san diego and did well out there with them. But the in saint louis kinda went into rebuilding program so we kind of lost that momentum that we had a new member of the nfl hall of fame fourteen year career with saint. Louis cardinals. Roger wehrli is with us here on sports byline. They always called roger staubach of course comeback. The captain comeback. What was it that he presented as far as the problem is a quarterback that maybe you didn't see weaken and week out with other teams. Well he was such a great all around athlete. You know. in a smart player he He obviously was a great passer. And and as i say the cowboys had a wonderful team with a lot of talent on it but It's you come down to the end of the game. And if roger couldn't find a receiver open you know. He had the athletic ability that he could just somehow get loose and and run for the first down or scramble a little bit back out in out in the flat to make it i and it was just so hard To to hold him you know on third down situations that they really had to have it because he has such great athletic ability. I it was also at that time. If i remember correctly roger that the nfc had some pretty good receivers across that entire division. We're we're the ones that really gave you the most challenge. Well you know several. When i first came in the league i think charlie taylor right out was it was one of the toughest guy isn't in great receiver. You know good hands. Speeding mood Harold carmichael was a unique receive. You know he had. He had real good speed. Any was six foot nine. You know philadelphia and.

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