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Today's episode is proudly brought to you by try to cops the double bay dot com. Join up for the free biweekly video newsletter with myself my table, keep you up to date on the moves that are in this crypto market now if you want to learn how to make money with the market goes up or down go to try to call dot com. Now. Vitrey to Cobb crypto show talking business influx. Jane? Ladies and gentlemen, I the absolute pleasure today. Look, I never thought I'd get this far we've interviewed some pretty amazing paper on this channel. But never have gone to Hollywood tonight. And again, we have John Travolta. All the midfields as our dog. Just a now his life. But it is Alex Madonna the code Saturn CEO all fin fabric Lita learn about and I will say straight up you do look like Michigan Travolta yet. I don't I don't know who John. Look, we had a pre interview conversation. This is not going to be about Scientology, ladies and gentlemen. And recent if you are listening on the podcast, you gotta get across Nucci this, man. I mean, all unwinding floors salads. Who's rod hand side? Tell me tell me tell me tell me what a what what are spas skills. Killing more tell me more. Anyway, let's get away from the giant and get stuck in. What you do? Listen. I understand Alex. You had a a pretty Glisin Correa coming to where you're at. Now. Don't fill in some blanks about what role you to where you are right now. What you've done the paused because you have you've done quite a bit. And help us understand. Why you've come into where you are right now. And now Clint you flow letting me, you know, intro, myself and share. What has happened to me? Because I think it's I am today is based on luck luck. But I I think I was lucky to recognize it so started actually Nate. But it will be twenty years. Now. A starting in France Yukon Gillmeister Jackson's it doesn't exist anymore. I mean this phone because winners from some bites I've needed which one is. Overprotecting anyways, we're gonna do politics today in red states. That's not this. So allows them spent six years in London. Two years Nugent nine nine on sixteen seventeen years in Vancouver in in banking, most likely from Rocca most of Armbruster, I'm an up sky so energy to ready from bookie trade to the balance sheet to revolting. I've done it on catchy. Diesel old catch fronts in the region. Others. I need to spend two years at swift and ended mature into fifteen on the posted person are done a lot of things in Montreal in sixteen. I fell in love with the b word the block time the action the one there's only one the alley one. I said at the block inconsistency, which was three hundred eighty two this more died tasted failure, which is always good as the Tripler if it's you can go back into into incense the since two thousand sixteen August, we at very three co founders fabric in German is if factoring of factory of solution businesses on fabric with a CNA, a gut. It was always a case. That's you as a crimes of late said. I dunno. Nab a Standard Chartered whoever insurance company you ever mazing experience. But you don't know that it spills anything or Nabal from you also provide a n we'd be under. We would be under either. That was always the driver. And today if I can say, so we do tree things we do issuance of digital assets trading and market making a guy say. I you're a man of a very sound understanding half financial institutions looked as markets because you even you buy Blake's buying fruit backoffice thirty the front, and it's it's it's actually honestly, it's quite unique. You've you've been there. And it's it's it's classic pick up a book story of he started in the mail room at a record liable. You bang it. I am I and it wouldn't be running. The record live is a very similar top story. Now you've done Manatt here. It's all about that. But you have done it. And what that brings is a will of experience. Now that experience that you have Bain through. Right. Of course, you talked about file is that's finally is the entrepreneurs and try to it's it's a best friend on file unless you stall. So you've you've made mistakes, which means you've learnt lessons. Why fabric Asai why Finn fabric? And why now you got such a range of skills? What why go out on a limb to create something that is relatively new in a very very new market. Why would you take that risk? You have the skills. Go wherever you want. Yes. So I don't go and do the same thing. So when are the curator anyway on material is over the last four Ossius because as an attributable you skin in a game is only is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Will you accolades gone? You back. You know, I'm not doing that for for fulfilling awful wealth. It's really because I'm gonna change things now on a change caps markets because that's where I come from. And I think that there's gonna be tissue sees when I started to get much in looked at host, you know, through food race and all that. Agree along because tree halls to do. Right. And we can talk for hours about whites. Moreno me. We do digital setback. Securities token is the assets. So why why wouldn't be anywhere else because I people around me, and I don't want to sound really bullshit. But they are ten twenty hundred tons better. My and. Notes one essentially guy, and if we have a concession on a million dollars only gets I wanna get you know, your mind as a traitor your traitor up. But you know, I'm I'm gonna own a grew. And so I have a lot of experience under in folding and. Changed things really doing something. We all Trico, very different. You know, it technicians. Architects Dutch lowly that kind of architects. PHD in economy, very very shop younger than me, Australian and private Bank and me up sky were done everything on a trade. You know, life second I can setup grow continual. We do that. Maybe if it's digital anything should show. Yeah. Well, it's a fascinating us thriller wanted we dig a little bit deeper into that you have them, and you touched on there are three and I three different partners from three different wolves blocks in three sets. Two and you too and yourself. Mums? I have I have two business partners as well. And when we started the first business have it was all about on a how much it's gonna require familiar. They may for me to do this and submitted education. Will I know how how or encompassing? It is. I it's a full time four in our day job. It really is until I can build at my team and have them come in and help out you, choose your business partners, very wisely. By on the skill set that you don't have. So what are the skill sets that your to other partners bring a little bit detail about who they are. And what they do within the organization yet. So first of all you have to be humble enough that you don't know. The two you have to realize that Sam deputy when knocks you have to grab your child. So I didn't know that before I use them if that makes sense. Yep. This is something I call learning to dots. So I learned to downs with foreign, and I hate the way points operas Olympia downs with mine is not stopped. It's it's people were with me. I mean at the beginning, we have different rhythms got different understanding of what we will do what we end. Then we find a way the way that we find my closest to your way, and I'm running my because his mommy, and yearly he doesn't matter as long as we all. Go Dutch really amazing off. Detectives full homes. And he was the U of the company whom we acquire the techniques from off the actually they closed. So yeah, it was a story where it's been by ten brokerage vessel and the closed off societies amazing guy in terms of technology. Fluency? Oh, is is the is amazing gun because different from me. So if I'm black is white is black. I'm one in terms of you know, of his alligator is very very structured, and I give you two example. I never do any tool to prospective employees about salaries with. Agreed. I haven't founded, but as my pledge because entre generous, so we'll never get involved. So if you say crying, let me find saying, you know, what we're gonna talk salary. Shorted, Richard celery and an equities because I'm too generous to because as wedding came from BCG as a PG automate is researching. So what we read is. What is that? I can switch off my Russia. And I can do notional on very emotional. And then what we do. We create what cold positive tensions agree with you. You disagree isn't an ego Callans consensus. Yes. And then we finally all I didn't think we didn't think about so, you know, the the want twenty three economy nonsense, but it's it's actually true L I nowadays, you know, because if we are humble enough to say, I bring a little thing today. Gration I don't know the value of that little thing, I bring you bring you your little thing as well. And it creates much weaker. It's magic reading and and what we have we have full PHD's. We have an amazing quote person. Whereas a PHD numb you mathematics in data science. And when you have the moon tension than me. Maybe smart. I don't know not for me to judge otherwise it would be ego. But they are much intelligence, and it's an amazing where the mathematic at our will come from a philosophy martial arts, experience, whatever, and we meet halfway and the kidding me goes, Wah, amazing. So so really it's about bats. Literally, speak the same language. I've a very similar relationship in my partners on the emotional one on the relationships going. They're the ones that I looked when let let me get to the deal the deal comes you take care of that deal. But on the go I goes from. But you you you used one of my analogies. I'll tell you this you talked about the Dame's the dance. I talked about the dance. I talked about the dance in markets whereby the market Connecticut beat the market. You can always join the mock it now if you learn to get into step. I know that rhythm baby back magic. But if you had if you bring. If you bring any eager you get squashed, log with any good dance Potter. I'm trying to dig type to her or him or whatever flood see. But you know, what I'm doing it? My look we've got we've got four during the tourist, but I learned to understand the movements that individually work together and learn we might magic. And that's where training comes in with. You'll never beat the market. You'll never beat somebody who's better than you in. You're lacking skills at the odds of business. The odds of trading the odd obeying and entrepreneur, John this Anding that funding that middle ground giving it two cents. What you've got the experience and chist jiving. But a with meets is based on shot. So you know, I've been doing much less for many many years many. Discipline. But it says well, actually right now, you can be better than me because of the situation I made train full two hundred years you trained for five minutes, but you'd be three I know until we guts interdiction, actually, I don't want to confront you. Because and an issue have that humbleness to say, you know, unprepared. I call it and sorry, if I swear I become less shits. So I don't progress, but I get rid of things, and I guess I guess posted through. But you switch foster NEC on the conventional. If we realized that than we owe kit, we can be populous, there's no ego. Humble if you have any your altitude gopher. The way we like we've been talking for a little while we could talk for loss vein shit for hours. We're we're very we're very similarly. We have Mr John Travolta. We are very nice. But I wanna come back to Sonny. Use the word humble three or four times in our conversation. And I note that on your website in your mission. The very first point is the word humble. Can you explain what you may in? Why that such an important emphasis within your company, and what you guys are trying to achieve a wise. Humble number one yet. It's very very interesting. So one is you realize it, you know, twenty years of experience. So you could set up twenty times one year, which actually is not at all because things are moving. You never know until you know, in negative, no interior faces tradition. And then you're gonna make us this front. So these twenty years of its baseline to me where I'm no actually had trade brokerage a study all of that. But if I'm facing you right now the question how much of that as number one. Number two, very very clear on its lead you on business. We don't want to be seen as adults. So you'll know the current your partner, and we don't occur create together. I know it sounds empty until you know, until we worked together understand that extremes. So as well, if I'm not humble, I teach you I will lead you manage you. It's Mimi, actually, what is the spectator had you gonna grow. So an having grow as a company because we are front jar. We all need your from John wanna do something that is impossible all grew to. The you you will unicol on certain aspects with figures in poultry Geeta, actually, you don't think. So there's an ego that where Dr Chan is very clear, and we're going to smash it and then humble because really don't know if we're gonna make it when we go to make it and how so to me Hudson that discovery as what motivates the unknown and very secure when insecure, you know, saw it was running on cities. I'd so for large funds than cash equities any kale's everyday. That kills makes me calm guess, and the trade the trade bit you get used to the mayhem, and you must treat as winning them. Get humbled know. You know, you beat the market you donate. The other arrogance is the shore fight arrogance is like walking down the back straight of Holum with fireworks. And a big sign sign. I am the best in on lodge and screaming at everyone shouting, you're going to get us kicked. And it's a reality that will occur arrogance in trading IGA in trading it. It's really really not what you want a couple other things that I've picked up on his interview, Alex. Is you mentioned that we're told him to you attain? You use would. We're doing this together. So as opposed to your mind -ployees on the God, do what I say, you use the phrase was something on the lines of we are doing this. You know, we know we worked together I want to touch on that. And the reason why touching that is. That's that's that's a very similar ways that how I would my pay bowl that would with may on. I don't see employees law years. We're all working toward the same come ago. Now, I consider myself to be somewhat of a leader. And somebody who's trying to be a better later with bows in the position where we're running companies. Okay. My latest ship transcendence for my time. And I've got loyal PayPal on I worked really hard on we need to actually I do. And it also comes out into the product offering and how a pitch that the trust. So I cried mock communities I understand how my. I guess humbleness and ability to understand that I can't do this without you. And you is the listener the viewer it just the people that have the eyeballs in the as tuned in we way, collectively creating something and we have a mission to do. So my question is what is the mission and how you leading? The world the market your spice your objective within fin fabric. What is the mission? And how you gonna Tyke is there. So that this and there's a lot to answer as well. So, you know, the mission is really question. No question. So. Finance full all made with fabric finance full own you, and I. You'll miss the crate you father, you whatever you all get it's made with fabric. Carved Dhanbad units Maine's. So there's a product. Beyond that, it's really been generating caps in markets two zero by protein supply in front of demands, we all the plaque between so he and because you will understand that in some of your listeners audience, you'll get is it's really two sides. I said this is casting and we all between us diplo you abilities. And there's a demand coming from capitol. Very simple. We all do nothing to Majorie facilitates, the creator, the creator of that access on of reducing friction now for me. This is impossible worries them because we quite snow now young any bird that medium tiles, Audie were dead, whatever. But it's it's making Jim also unified snakes me. So do we believe in the same day because this is not negotiable? If you don't believe in that we have a problem, but I don't want to convince you it's really new I would say you who. Knowledge or experience you in motion. What makes Cray do? And it doesn't end, you know, it's not Scientology as you said our religion where you don't have to agree, but the growth direction, and you have to trust me because I'm two hundred percents. I'm twenty four seven. I don't let go it's it's it's. Bye bye held hot rotten here. Groff's fashion and guts, so in terms of leadership first of all, and I learned that years ago when I was very big projects Lee. And I so I remember a seven or eight years ago, and it was Lear organization. So you don't traditionally it'll be buzzed at it fans down at exiting need. Organization is the opposite. So let's see you have somebody on the cold face. The all talking to a client customer the Metropole than you. Now, you did you have to add the right organization, that's useful nation is passing through to you. So that you can leave leave from the bottom this, that's amazing image, if you're saving, it's is pack of wolves. Now, the top dude, you know, idiom the tumbling of the pack right off the bat is the last one is at the end is because he sees from the back ases everything any she Saddam action any inference. So I tend I tend you don't keep in working with me. I work for them when they hear. That's I said, I'm behind you. I'm willing and really you only. So it cannot bigamy you book a meeting, I'm not gonna go into eight Craig don't do this. Yeah. Now, you have to only a work for you and nonmeal spear there as one number two yet understand that each something happens with the country the proper externally it's mean between. Yup. I stepping, and you know, if there's a mistake giving giving them permission to file because you're bang that trampoline with a hit bark bottom. They bounce stripe backup guy. I'll take care of this. And again, it's normally Kushner because I was calling studies on facing so many as a stepping bats. I don't have to manage. I have to say I hate managing. Okay. Have you done? You fight fields. What happens? What you was supposed to do on your time. That's of his demeaning much fitter than me. I like to lead which is setting the scene. And then let's go and get it. Let's go and rub it I think as well. The optimum size of a company is roughly hundred hundred fifty you're based on some studies. We all twin between twenty to twenty five days between five days, but. The assembly or route. I each other. Yes. You're going to take back the first five the first them for twenty thirteen Almasy walking because then they tend to destroy us to you know, what we nearly died three times. You know, what we ask you to reduce your center. You know, watch we ask you to do something. It's it's so important. I mean, you know, the startup culture. There's a lotta people that are watching this. And listen to this that I that are in business. We we do have a very highly professional audience, and whether they professional or whether they going out in there, I, but I mean, this honestly, I it's been a mosque Boston ladyship lost five minutes because they what you're saying. It's factual it's true. When you wanna you wanna get these lessons by making those mistakes, you know that the first one I ran into him. I talk the whole thing out because my father was a builder and I worked on building sites, and I'm rough around the edges on Hosh all hell because that's what I that's what latest. That's what latest Waterston may. And since I've looked to listen and be more involved with the individual, and the Atlantic compensation what you want and when he finds out what someone once you can really help in the mall with inaugural as Asians. Xian's as selfish view. What is you're trying to achieve Anne Hathaway help either with shave that that every business should be Ozzy that on a business perspective. Everyone's the gets that own everyone a lot forget that internally. You know, we worked together as you know, you brought before we worked together, I tell you chill, but we worked together. So what do you want to happen? I hope to get that hitting that so adarity within a tame to the point where people as you say, they'll take pike out. So work that backs are they'll when they paid right out of which sixteen to get a project at the door. That's really where where it's crucial is really important for the listeners to understand that we could talk in February we could talk about all the projects and what you're doing. But I think that actually managed to touch on here some things probably haven't in other in perhaps, and that's the coal and Utah. I told you a lot of ace as I talked to a lot of investors and vase as an invest as being what we talk about what they talked about is it's the chain. It's you know, you can have a great idea. That's executed by a terrible team where you can have an average audit is executed by one full time. Now, the word is tame and tame is about trading environment where people of God each other's backs or the rugby player did all sorts things in spoiled Riley was the mind one, and you know, undo a rating of history as well in war. It's not that that try that is they're listening to the, you know, the the the private the prime minister or the president when I go on a battle. It's that I've got a cool unit, and they will die for their brother will they sister. Because that is what a tame does. And when you build a tame, you can build something truly truly special buyer without it same you pissing in the wind. And the sports analogy is spot on you know, and you know, I don't and I ten. You know, what it's a skit woman at all. I don't understand it will be vulnerable. The weather play a team sport. Because you nuance is the line. Mascot moon. I was on the bench. Nobody you use me. I was feeling sad than on actually a much better than and I was like seventeen sixteen months you get on with it. You don't you? Don't mush is more about me and really beating myself up. Really? Let's these very very key. Reggie like couldn't go two daughters, and I couldn't agree more. So let let let's cover a little bit more on. This has been an absolute Moscow's, and I'm going to make sure that all my staff, listen to this because this has been crosses intervene. I really appreciate this. But let's let let's go into. I want to understand a little bit more about him fabric. You obviously know what you're trying to shave. We know that you've got a great team. We know that you're right later it taking a lot of the boxes. Who you looking to get involved. Like who are you looking to to it? If there's anybody in my audience is listening now who is you really want to connect with and bring into your vortex. What sort of business will sort of individual? What are you looking forward to help to build fin fabrics, the next stage and bearing in mind that in the next six to nine months raise a series, a so so some of that, maybe investors investors already and you've seen the news or you know? A serious understanding that the cap to mock, it's changed. That's you know, we can go into noise -ation blockchain technologies by the it's not about the technology to Tickner reduce any nigga around or reducing their friction idiots accessible to Exxon could sign who is excellent investigator PI Afon, appea-, whatever Samoans really what we do is to match the plane on so today stage enriching to Oganization where the balance sheets endeavor to moss. Let's say, you know, a broken domestic manager will a family office Norwest assets are because we can actually do you think about it begin stop to neutralize on? So some of the risks. They're on the ballot. Yeah. Addition at another crediting. Yes. Share some of the cash flow revealed, the rents of what if I t's caps to physician, you take ownership, and we can do that using technology at some later stage is really allows you asset owners will keep ROY they're anxious because in about six to nine months without you building the non but right now at the stage is really survival. We have interesting assets, not coming Duxin collectibles, golden, others N, an weary place yourself is really to be cross chain cross chain of processes. Note where in the future, we can collateralized swamp process trade across and that will be very interesting as well using different protocol. Mission is permission less replacing our selves ourselves writing the middle of it all while you certainly certainly got a lot on as the way I think everybody in this space has a huge amount. Alex Balazs question to ask you is this the viewers listeners on this show today where can we find out more about yourself your very interesting, but also about fim fabric? Tell us what we can find out more, Mr. elder. So the website is what are they ET's at the moments? You should have in new website in the next couple of weeks, thin, fabric dot com. I believe. Yes. Yes. So don't judge me if I n f a Bay I k dot com, I want he said it's done. Judge me, ladies and gentlemen, you've put up with my terrible website at twelve months. We've just finished remodeling Magna better. So when you start at night, this many more things that are very important. So when he says done judge. That's why. Yeah. And you don't delete teams mining not the teaming Kinchen product you have the latest. So you could see some news. We do a lot of in the next few weeks and months because we ever locked down. I think in juju in a second an- Hugh to second half of the air. You will see us Moines. The media in the news because we interesting things what we gonna bring on a green key assets to quality. That's that's what you wanna do issue on his win reach out to me in the coffee cueing own or if I'm driving around. I never say no because unsaid. Said gonna learn from you if we do partnership and this tone of opportunities are there. I'm looking toward as as best. In crohn's. You're doing the right wing. We understand that this regulation is licensed where and we need to Volvo towards the future. But the future doesn't happen. So all of us, we need to be humble enough and were to give it to ones that you issue on shed that journey some of us happy, and the hiring is a lot of developments job blockchain as what we do. Well, ladies and gentlemen, the gentleman that I've been speaking to Alex, Madonna, he is the founder and CEO of thin fabric is bridging the gap between traditional illiquid asset classes, plus many more to invest in jobs. Like, you end me, I very much appreciate Matanza, Alex. Thank you so much the insides thank you so much the lessons in management. And entrepreneurship, and I know that a lot of the listeners viewers, I guide to very much praise this one, and as I said, I am making Mahal team watch this one's at. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. And let's keep in touch. Sure. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, it's been an absolute pleasure. A good die. 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You know, and there was a period to when I would force. My mother to answer me in the peewee voice. My poor like middle aged Jewish mother in queens would have to be like. It wasn't pretty that. Man is Billy Eichner. And today he has his own TV show. And it is great. It's bullseye. This week Billy I on his hit show Billy on the street. Billy quizzes bewildered New York pedestrians on the topics that are nearest and dearest to his heart including but not limited to Britney Spears, Meryl Streep and Madonna Meryl Streep is better than glencoe. Okay. How great what you and then alley wall. She's a standup comic who recorded her breakthrough special when she was seven and a half months pregnant, seven months pregnant so much baby. It was a tremendously tough thing to do something. She is still very proud. But she can't help. But wonder was there an easier way to make it big? There are women. I believe out there who just choose. And I'm like, what am I doing? I made all the wrong decisions. Finally, I'll tell you about the Taurus. And composer created bossa Nova saw coming up on bullseye. Let's go. It's bowls. I Jesse thorn. My guest is Billy Eichner. We talked in two thousand thirteen he hosts one of my favorite shows. Billy on the street. Maybe you've seen it. If you haven't. Here's the premise Eichner goes out on the streets of New York City and asks random passersby pop culture quiz questions if they get them, right? They win money only. If you're imagining something like cash cab or something it is definitely not that the host is a manic petulant Madonna obsessed man who shouts at his contestant storms off from them before they can finish their sentence. And if they win that big cash prize, it's usually a dollar the shows since returned to its home on funnier die. It's great as ever he just did a bit with Tiffany haddish where they tried to cast a new more woke version of hocus pocus, the ninety three witch comedy starring Bette midler and Sarah. Jessica parker. It's Tiffany haddish. Hi. How are you? Yeah. We're gonna make an more inclusive. Hocus pocus are you straight in white? Yes. Oh, okay. We need Asian which is the show's best moments, though, aren't always with celebrities like in this clip when Billy found a man with some very firm opinions about Meryl Streep who's better Meryl Streep or Glenn Close Clinton close by. No truth mills tweak is her name is Meryl Streep Meryl Streep which is a porn star. I'll kill squeakers. Oh, she's Dutt know Meryl Streep is better than Glenn cook. Okay. I'll great what you. Billy eichner. Welcome to the show. Hi, I love that clip. That man is an amazing, man. He is he is very carefully turned out. Yes, also missing teeth missing a few teeth, and he continues the segment after you have left the frame. That's right for minutes. Absolutely. I walk away, and this semi toothless, man. He may or may not be homeless. I don't know if he is. So very sharp though for a homeless guy. He's got it sharp, and he has some very passionate opinions about Meryl Streep even though he says streak and Glenn Close. He really loves Glenn Close. He must watch damages. I don't know. How I I like that. He's a big fan of you to he he he is emphatic about making the point. It's incredible years. That's one of my favorite clips of all time. And I haven't heard it in a while. So that was fun. I I wrote we have this called the outshot on the show where I recommend some. And I wrote one about your show because. Introduction. I think it's totally great. Thank you very much. And one of the things that I said was that your character on the show? I mean, we've only interacted for about five minutes, but you're not like that in real life new that would be real exotic be terrifying. Life to lead reminds me a lot of peewee Herman. That's right in the it is very. Is very childlike in petulant. For sure for sure and you're not the first person to make the comparison, and it is like a huge honor for me just for someone to make that comparison because and I never thought about peewee while I was, you know, started making these videos and doing the show, but when people bring it up, I think yes, of course, because when I was a kid I was completely obsessed with peewee Herman for period of time. I religiously watch pee wee's playhouse. I would get up Saturday mornings eleven AM wake up way before eleven AM because I was like seven, and I I loved him so much. I love the world created on that show. I love pee wee's big adventure. I love big top pee. We the movies. He did with Tim Burton. And there was a phase where I went through a six month phase where I only would speak to my parents in the peewee voice joke. Try where I wouldn't do it at school. But when I got home I'd be like Marilyn breakfast. You know, and. I. Exactly. Let's not keep doing that voice. But my and there was a period to when I would force. My mother to answer me in the peewee voice. My poor like middle aged Jewish mother in queens would have to be like. It wasn't pretty, but I swear that's the case. And I just I just love peewee so much. And so when people mention to me now that something about what I do. I'm Billy on the street is similar to peewee Herman. I'm just like floored by it. I think that's the highest compliment one of the things about peewee Herman is a character that is driven by his childlike nece. I mean, it's never it p we'd is sort of doesn't have an age. Exactly. Right. Maybe some of the early things he's does on Letterman and stuff like that. There's civic age. But generally, he's not of an age. Let's correct. Yeah. But one of the things that he does that is like a child is invest enormous stakes into very stupid silly. Yes matters. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. That's sort of the premise of Billy street in a way. I mean, I'm very pop. I mean, it's a it's a character. Sure. Even though I use my real name. But it is rooted in parts of my personality, obviously like since I was a kid since I was like that peewee Herman obsessed child. I was not just pee obsessed. I was completely obsessed by pop culture and the entertainment industry, and this is before the internet. So, you know, I my father, and I would read page six together like the gossip column in the New York Post when I was six years old like instead of nursery rhymes like I was reading about you know, celebrities. So what I'm doing? I'm Billy on the street. Although it's twenty years later is really taking that like the tenth power like it's a very exaggerated exaggerated version of my it'd fit in a way, you know, or or what my it was as a kid, and I just said it is a kid, but. Yeah. I I enjoy it. I think it's it's so silly. It's so absurd. Like when people say the show is absurd. I take that as like a complimented huge compliment because you know, that's the kind of comedy. I like, you know, it's peewee. It's when I grew up watching Martin short love Martin short, you know, on us Annell, and that's just a I don't know. I sort of not the same as good as those people. I'm not. But I I come out of that tradition. I'm inspired by those people. And so, yeah, I wanna play another clip of you performing this is actually a clip from the Conan O'Brien show, which is called Conan. This is you've done a series of Madonna related man on the street videos, for of course, I there's one where there's one where you go to see Madonna at the Super Bowl there's one where you go to see her at Yankee Stadium. There's one where you go see your in Tel Aviv. Yes. Well, the order is Conan and the people at and have been incredibly generous to me, and so supportive. They had an idea. You know, they saw my videos. I saw Billy on the street, and they sent me I did his show just as a regular guest, and I showed clips for my show sort of typical talk show appearance. And then they call the next day. And they said do you want to go to the Super Bowl? We have great access at the Super Bowl. You wanna go cover it for us? And I said, yes sure mean I can't turn that down. But I didn't know what my angle would be because I don't give about football. And yet it is a big kind of pop culture event like it goes beyond football. And it turned out that of all the years for me to be asked to go to the Super Bowl. Madonna was the halftime show this year. And I was a huge still am like, you know, unabashed unashamed huge Madonna fan. But especially as a kid, you know, as a gay kid growing up in the eighties. Hello, you know, she was at and she still has to me and to many people, but it turned out Madonna the halftime show. And so we thought like, oh, here's the idea that I would go to Indianapolis to the middle of the country where the Super Bowl is happening. And I would only care about Madonna at the Super Bowl that I wouldn't care about the Super Bowl at all. And I'd go up to people who have traveled all over to come to the big game and ask them about Madonna, and when they didn't care which many times, they did not I got really angry about Madonna. Donald. She's. And then the amazing thing is that Conan's show somehow gummy on the field at the Super Bowl. So I'm on the field. I saw Madonna show from the fifty yard line. And then right after the game. I ran up to the players like on the field after the giants had just one ask the players. You know, I didn't ask them about the game. I said how did you like the Madonna CSU Donna show? They obviously for like. Doing strategy in the club. Yeah. They were like, no I was in the locker room. Advantis amazing game is something that was horrible for me here. You know, we knew it wasn't going to be relations. Did you see John? Did you see Madonna? Walker? So this is a clip from the third in your Madonna video trilogy. This one's at Yankee Stadium. Yeah. So what happened was then after the Super Bowl Conan's sent me to Israel to cover the opening night of Donald world tour telling me, he was sending me to cover me to cover the nuclear crisis between Iran, and Israel, but I only cared about Madonna, and then finally Madonna came to New York did you her Yankee Stadium, and again, somehow I got access and I was allowed to ambush Madonna onstage Yankee Stadium while she was rehearsing. Let's let's take a listen. Did you rocko loves me could never met you? What? Weirdo on great. You're not great. Are you doing holiday tonight? We're not doing. Let's go. Let's go. What what we're not doing? Spoils? I'm Jesse thorn, my guest, Billy Eichner is the host of Billy on the street. This game is called dead or boring. And you just I mean, this is just like a young lady who looks like she goes to fashioned school and has a giant blonde. Afro, what is your name Leanne Polian? What do you do New York? That's a drink my best friend just get drunk. Yeah. No come on. You have to do something else. Shop drinking and shopping while you look like the cowardly lion. And I like it. Okay. Okay. Here we go. We're gonna play dead or boring. I'm gonna rattle off a list of celebrity names. Tell me whether that person is dead or boring if they're dead you say dead, if they're boring you say, correct Pauline. Okay. If you get seven thirty seconds when a big prize. Okay. Ready to play. Yeah. Okay. Here we go put thirty seconds on the clock. Please ready to play debtor boring. Here we go Pauline dead or boring and away we go Elvis Presley that just correct, buddy. Holly, boring dead Taylor Lautner that no boring. Tiller law come on Audrey Hepburn forming. No dead. Randy Jackson, barring just direct James Brown dead. Just Greg Lauren Conrad. Let me just correct Jessica Tandy that just correct Heidi Montag. Let me just correct you puncture core just tiny Tim winner yet. Congratulations. Yes, paulie? Here's your prize. God it's tape. It's paper. Yes. Blank paper was her price. She was great. She was fun. Let's get the contestants the people I approach on the street. I mean, I do my thing and hopefully people like it. But really it's about these New Yorkers. This is real New York with the contestants themselves. We literally we decide what neighborhood we're going to we turn the cameras on the sound guy turns the Mike's on the PA's are behind me. And I start walking. I don't know who I'm going to approach until a second before I approached them, whether it's to ambush someone in and scare them or you know, with a lightning round question or longer ten minute game. We don't know what's going to happen. And so you're not getting a glossy sex and the City New York as much as I love that New York, but I grew up in New York, and these are my people, you know, like, I love New York a lot the person I imagined when I watch you on television is the person who after one of these interactions has to go to that person and get. Them to sign a consent form that's going to be the off show. Those conversations I get to keep walking because I gotta keep shooting the show. But what happens is after I have an, you know, interaction with someone whether it's for literally a second or twenty minutes, and you never know what it's going to be a PA one of our wonderful, relentless PA P have to go up to that person. And usually the person's like what the F just happened. Who was that? What happened to me? And then they have to we have to get a signature from that person in order to be able to use that clip on TV without blurring their face, and we don't want to blur faces because that's that'd be irritating to watch. Yeah. It's a process. Have you done things that are twenty minutes where you were like, oh freaking nailed it. And the person changes their mind at the end doesn't want to be on. Usually when they stick around with me for that long. Remember, this is not a hidden camera show. You know, people who are like, oh, how can you do that to people you kidding? You see what else is on television? That are hidden camera. Prank shows there are two cameras in your face and boom over your head and me a very loud tall gay man with the mic in your face. You know, what's happening? You know, this could possibly be seen somewhere. So if they stick around for twenty minutes, it's because they're they're cool with it. So it's rare that will lose something like the longer games like the quiz in the face segment, which usually goes on anywhere between like three to nine minutes, depending on how far they make it in the game. They almost always signed the release, plus they win money sometimes, and you don't get the money. Unless you sign the release. It's those that's a lightning round. You know, when I really am Bush people, and they're not looking at me, and I come up behind that. I'm like Amar glaze, and then literally I run away after saying just that and then someone comes up to them, and it's like missed you mind signing this release. So that appears on national television almost always the people that appear on the show. Are you know, bare minimum amused in confused and often really enjoying themselves talking to you there's this. There is one woman from the new season of the show. Her name is Elena who I really love and in love with her. So let's take a listen to Elena, you you recorded with her. The segment is, you know, t- ten minutes long, five ten minutes long and the whole time. She is physically leaving. She's attempting to get on the subway but continuing to play the game both of them at the same time. We'll take a listen miss miss. You wanna get quizzed in the face. You can win money right now on the street. What's your? Name Elena lane. I'm Billy nice to meet you. What's happening? I'm going now. That's okay. This'll be really quick. Okay. Here's what's going to work. If you get to what Obama. I didn't ask about that. Okay. If you get two questions wrong, you're out if you'd help answer your question, we can beg a stranger twice you can compliment my hands. Do you understand perfect? Here. We go Elena round one question one. According to be on say song run the world who runs this mother a girls be bears. See Lorne Michaels de freemasons heroes. Are you sure lane? Yes. Yes. Correct. Yes. Correct. You're onto question to here we go. Nothing. She question to Sinead. O'connor terrible photo of on Saturday Night Live in the ninety s while saying quote, a fight the real enemy. The pope be the president see Casey Wilson Petit those people in the sample picture when you buy a frame what that pope. Yes. Correct lane. Yes, or no at all thousand million dollars. You don't get anything yet. All okay, great onto question. Three. What are you worried about have to meet someone if things to do to TV shows I like to take the subway excuse me? You don't have to take the subway all the time. I have a metro card and everything I was born in queens. I love her. She's a wonderful woman. You have people you really that clip really sells itself when you see her facial expressions. I mean, it sounds funny too. But you gotta go. If you go on on the street dot com, we have the Elena clip, and she's just priceless. She stays with you the whole time. It's a very strange thing until the very end. And then she then she storms off what what is it? What is it that you wanted to tell me about are you? So there was this is great. So, you know, usually in order to see the full episodes. You have to watch them on Friday nights, ten o'clock nine central or you can buy them on I tunes, but we'll always release one or two segments. From each week's episode online, you know on Billy on the street dot com or on YouTube or whatever. So and you can like Facebook me and follow me on Twitter. And I always post those things. However, we anyway, so we posted the Elena clip her full clip online because she was so great. And someone one of the Billy on the street fans rights on my Facebook wall Elena lives in my building some guy recognized her some gay man, and Chelsea and New York where we filmed it probably I don't know if he's game just assuming. Recognize the lane. And I thought oh, that's very funny. A week later. He writes on my Facebook wall again, and he says, I forget his name is I would give him a shout-out because I love that. He wrote to me. He says he saw only you know, and the building asked her if she was aware of this being out there. Because of course, we film this months ago. And now it's finally out on television and Elena said she's been getting recognized in the subway, and she doesn't know why she doesn't fully remember shooting it, she kind of remember she doesn't know what it was just what it's on. And I just love the fact that she is getting recognized in New York that really makes me happy more from Billy Eichner after a quick break. Then later alley Wong talks about doing an entire stand up special onstage while seven and a half months pregnant. It's bullseye for maximum dot org. And NPR. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Rosetta Stone the app that teaches you to speak for yourself. A new language wanna gift something that could last a lifetime. 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Now, we know what's best. It's bulls eye. Jesse thorn, Billy Eichner? He's the host of the hit comedy gameshow. Billy on the street. You can watch it now on funnier die. He's also performed on parks and recreation American horror story and Bob's burgers. We talked in twenty thirteen in assaulting all these people have you ever been in a position where you felt physically uncomfortable as concerned about your safety. Really one of the I once went up to an old lady who slapped me across the face, really hard. But I thought that was hilarious. Good for her. She should. You know, so far I haven't really been like attacked or anything again. It's not a hidden camera show. Sometimes there'll be some like gruff, dude who like, you know, we'll get pissed off. We put cameras in his face. You know, like, Sean Penn without the Oscars. Basically, you know, and they tend to get more annoyed at the cameraman than me. You don't touch the talent. Jesse even they know that, but they really they don't like the camera in their face. So they might like, you know, put their hand up or something. But no one's threatened. No one's really haven't had any like physical altercations with anyone. Well, except for the woman who hit you except for the one lady who slapped me across the face. But I like that many of the questions on the show are subjective questions, you're not afraid to really berate someone who disagrees with you on even subjects that aren't related to Meryl Streep in Glenn Close that mostly. But yeah after another things sometimes. And that Comey wondering about gameshow laws. Yeah. We are officially a game show the movie quiz show where there's a bunch of laws from the fifties about what you can. And can't do on it. We are game show. It is a real game show. We follow gameshow laws, and there are certain things we had to figure out in order to be able to do that. And do what I want to do on the show. What is giving an example? It's very complicated to be honest. And I don't really understand. It was a long game show lawyer. Yeah. Exactly. Well, there are there game show compliance, lawyers, and we have those and we, but we figured it out. I mean, put it to put it very simply for this objective questions. I just have to have my answer written down beforehand. I can't just make it up on the spot or tell someone they're wrong, just arbitrarily. And as long as we do that, we're following gameshow laws long as on the note card that you're holding. It says that beyond say's better than riana. Right. Exactly. Then then then I can walk away from someone who doesn't agree with me, and they lose, and that's okay, Billy. I love your show. I couldn't love it more. Oh, thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time to be on bowls. I thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me. I love that. Billy Eichner, you can find new episodes. Billy on the street at funnier die. You can also see him on American horror story on the wonderful, late lamented show difficult people so much more. He's also going to be playing the voice of Tim Mon in the new version of the line. It's Jesse thorn next up on the show. Allie wong. We talked in two thousand sixteen when Allie Wong walked out on stage to start her first hour-long special. It's kind of amazing in real life alley is pretty tiny. And usually she feels a lot bigger on stage because she's so bold. But in that special which is called baby Cobra she is literally much bigger because at the time she was seven and a half months pregnant, it was basically a smash. It got great reviews. Not because she's doing something. So physically grueling that frankly, I don't think I could ever do it in a million years, but because the special is unique and energetic and subversive in hilarious. She's gone on to act in a bunch of movies. You can hear her in the new Disney movie. Ralph breaks the internet just a few months ago. She released a new special on Netflix. It's called hard knock wife. It's also great. She did the entire special pregnant again, I don't know how she does this stuff. It's genuinely amaze. Anyway, Allie was born in raised in San Francisco. Her dad was Chinese American. Her mother is Vietnamese American her husband is half Filipino half. Japanese alley has a degree in Asian American. Studies that gets put to good use in her act like in this clip from baby Cobra here, she is talking about the benefits of having four distinct. Asian American ethnicities inaction in one house. I think that for marriage. It can be nice to be with somebody of your own race. The advantage is that you get to go home and be racist together. You get to say whatever you got to explain. My husband has Filipino have Japanese. I'm half Chinese and half Vietnamese. And we spend one hundred percent of our time. On Korean people. When love is Bill, Tom. My last way friend was Cuban and his family would on Mexican people all the time. And I was like hold a. Hugh guys are Mexican. How long it's great to have you on bullseye. Welcome back to the show. Thanks so much. It's so surreal to listen to that clip. I haven't watched baby Cobra since November's Saint one editing for it. What you've been busy. So I guess the first question is like what was the relationship between the plan to make the special which is the biggest deal in your career? It's the first hour long special is a huge break for every stand up. And the fact that you were doing having this huge thing in your personal life. Having your first child, you know, people had been talking to me about doing a special for a long time. And I was like, no, I I wanna wait. I wanna wait, and you can wait forever because you can be it can be better. And you know, working on jokes is endless. I kind of before the specially felt like all of these jokes were never really done. And then the first time I got pregnant which was two years ago. I was like, oh my God ahead out this about it ending my career. And then I was like I should just do special now. But then I had a miscarriage. And then I was like, I'm depressed. I'm not in the mood to do a special and then I got pregnant again. And I was like, okay. Let's do it because I don't do it. Now, I'm never going to do it. So. So it was more like it. I mean, it was a very conscious decision to do it. But it was more a personal decision because I wanted to believe that like a baby would not be the end of my career. And I wanted to associate with the beginning of something big and new was that because you felt like other comics, especially women comics had had their career pads altered by having kids. Yeah. For sure I mean, I think there there's definitely other female comics, who are moms who are awesome. But it's tough it even now with having my daughter, it's I'm exhausted. You know, and it's tough to motivate yourself to get up and go out and do a crappy set when you get no money. You get paid in literally like a slice of pizza, but that stage time is so valuable and you need it to grow and to do. New material, but it's hard to motivate myself to get up. And and it's I I mean, I can't go on the road for she's six months old now I can't go on the road until probably November when she stops breastfeeding. And even then the idea spending three nights away from her is is pretty tough. You know, I think. Because it's it's really the breastfeeding that makes it difficult to to get out because it's your your your body still involved. I mean, I didn't really completely understand that. But it's like for nine months. Your body is your the host, right? And then after that for a year your body's the kitchen for the baby, you know, it's a refrigerator and stand up just involves your body. You have to take your body out drive thirty minutes to Hollywood from Culver city and performed for ten minutes. Take your body back in the car and. Yeah. Because of that, it's it's it's difficult. I think for a lot of stand ups who are moms. There's also for a lot of people. I I something I saw when my wife had a kid is that beyond the logistical challenges of feeding a baby when you're breastfeeding. There's also a really deep and complex set. Of emotional and chemical and hormonal things going on that like, you think you kind of make this plan like I can handle the logistics pump at this time of do this. I'll freeze this do this. And then I'll have these days to go do something or whatever. But the the chemical stuff really gets in the way of of those plans because it is it's the most important thing in the world. We'll also the other things that you know, when she was first born, and she was. We've so so focused on feeding her correctly. And I was having a lot of trouble breastfeeding. And then I felt like all I was doing is focusing on feeding her and then I would see my husband got to hold her and play with her and like lift up her arms and read her books. And then when I wasn't feeding her I just wanted to take a shower white my feet, eat, slim, Jim or something, and it was like I had no time to really get to know her other than feeding her, and I was like all and it's like there's a term for it called grazing where the baby all they do eat with you. And they just associate you with food, and that's it. And so I was like one of my going to bond with her, you know, like actually like talk to her and stuff instead of just focusing on angling her head to get her to latch on the right angle and keep wiping her face with all the milk and getting frustrated from the feeding so yeah, I mean, it's just it's a lot of time. You know? And it's great. But I think for a lot of women, you know, whether they're stand ups are not just you take that break, and you're bonding with your child, and you're feeding your child, and then it's really hard to get pulled apart and imagine spending like a whole day without your baby. Because you just don't know what that's like. And it's it's scary. Like now, I just I just think about that part and Blackfish where they separate the mama whale from the baby whale. And I like I start crying because I'm like, that's it's. It really it's hormones, you know, that's hormone emotions. Yeah. So, but luckily, you know, we've gotten her to go down at eight PM, I've still been able to go out at night and do sets its bulls eye. Jesse thorn, my guest is the comedian alley Wong. Her latest special is called hard knock wife it's out now on net. Flicks. You know, your special despite the fact that you are super pregnant, you're not doing material about being super pregnant at all. Quick second joke when you walk on stage at you almost have to do something to acknowledge it. But that's it just one line joke, and then you're into your other material because it's the it's the first thing that I've ever put out that's my own and I've been doing stand up for like eleven years. So some of those jokes like the skater joke about how you know don't date skaters unless you wanna wake up on a mattress and a kitchen that joke is so old. I haven't. A skater in like nine years, you know? And so it's like. Sold and that joke about. You know, some useful advice from Asian and brothers and sisters never go paint. Balling with Vietnam veteran. That's like I wrote that one I was like in high school, and I went being balling and my friend's dad like went to town on me for I I don't know what reason, but I know that he served and it me out, and my parents were like that must be why? And so some of those jokes are so old and your parents the voices of experience. Yes, we know about being Americans sweetheart. And so like, you know, so that's specialist like. It's not just like one month of material that I built up. It's a carefully curated set of jokes from like ever since I started doing stand up, basically and being pregnant is very small part of all of that. I wanna play a clip from the special and one of the things that a lot of the material is about basically, how you got to where you are how you got from, you know, being whatever twenty three year old just graduated college. When you started doing stand up to being an adult, married. Mom. And so this is you early on in this special talking about why you pack your husband's lunch. I don't feed him out of the goodness of my heart. I do it as an investment in my financial future. I don't want to work anymore. Reading books by Cheryl Sandberg. She's the c o Facebook. And she wrote that book that got women all riled up about our careers talking about how we as women should challenge. Ourselves to sit at the table and rise to the top. And her book is called lean in. I don't want to lean. Okay. I'll wanna lie, Dan. This is the worst thing that ever happened to women. Our job used to be no job. We had is so good. We could have done the smart thing which would have been to continue playing for the next century. And be like what we do. So I guess we better just staying home all day. And he sacks watch Ellen. So ellie. As you're doing that joke. You are super pregnant and working, right? Telling that joke is you working? Yeah. And there's a lot of material around those themes, especially early in the special. Yeah. Tell me about where that material comes from and sort of what your perspective is on it. Well, I mean, so I obviously love stand up, and I have been doing it pretty much nonstop besides my honeymoon. And after I had a C section. Those are the two big breaks I took from stand-up, but other than that I've been performing pretty much every other night. It's very rare for me to go like three nights in a row without performing stand up. So I obviously love it very much. But there's all sorts of other stuff. I have to do besides stand up. Like, I, you know, a right and for TV show, and then I also sometimes do punch-up on movies, and it's like, it's exhausting like that stuff. I I like it. I don't love it and I'm exhausted. And like after you know, like I do that. And I'm tired, and I see these women who seemingly seemed to be just Chilin hanging out all day. The the hardest decision. They have to make every day. What do some I drink? What cheuse has the most compelling story, but vegetables, the most interesting origin tails, and they're just sitting at you know, like like at whole foods like inspecting, all these juices and read and I'm like, I'm so jealous that. This appears to me to be your life. And I'm sure it's not, you know, because now after being a mom and like staying home with her by myself for a very short period of time. I'm like, this is scary. I wanna go back to work. This is no picnic either. You know, but just the idea of like there are women. I believe out there who are just chilling. And what am I doing? I made all the wrong decisions. It's like you believe it's like you're telling me that you believe in Griffin or something. Fairly ghosts are real. Yeah. There are women who are chilling. I can see it in there. Feels like when you're talking about that. I mean, what it really feels like is what you're talking about is, you know, as badly as you might want that sometimes you are obviously so deeply committed to your work and your career, and and you know, expressing yourself being who you are. That's just self evident in what you're doing on stage that it feels like in some ways, you're you know, what you're really talking about is the fact that that actually isn't a real thing that exists. And in fact, that, you know, especially when you are, you know, when you're in a sexist society, you know, which fundamentally structurally wherein to some extent there is this contradiction, which is yes, you can have you can follow your dreams. But you also still. Have to do all of the other stuff that the generations before you went like men do a little more chores now. But you know, you look at the studies it's like men do men have gone from doing ten percent of the chores to twenty percent of the choice. And granted that's doubling. Yeah. Making up these numbers? But something like, you know, what I mean? Right. That really like what your work women have are expected to contribute. Like fifty percent, right. I'm like deep in the trenches of that right now with that whole expectation to breastfeed and to like keep the household. Nice. But then also to like to work, and to contribute just as much as the man if not more, and so, yeah, I think it's I think it's about that. But I mean, those those feelings that expressed are real being jealous of this this idea of not working anymore. It's really the financial responsibility. Like, there's high stakes if I don't work. I really don't like that. Yeah. That stinks. It's really scary thing. Like, it would be awesome. It's stand up was like totally a passionate hobby. I I would be pretty happy going out and doing sets every night for pizza. That'd be pretty happy about that. You know? But you yeah. I mean, I I gotta do other stuff because I like I can't just do that. You know, we'll finish up with Allie long after break. Don't go anywhere. It's bullseye for maximum, fun dot org and NPR. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Sierra Nevada brewing company in nineteen eighty with a few thousand dollars and used dairy equipment, Ken Grossman. Founded Sierra Nevada brewing company award winning ales, propelled him from home brewer to craft today. 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Jesse thorn, we're playing a couple of favorites from the bullseye archives? Sweet right now, my twenty sixteen conversation with Alli Wong. She's an actor writer a stand up comic her newest special hard. Knock wife is available to stream now Allie. Let's play a clip from your special baby Cobra, and my guess is the comedian alley Wong where you're talking about your mom, your mom. So a lot older you have three siblings. But the youngest of them is ten years older than you accident. So my mom had me when she was like forty five. And and this is this is you talking about trying to declutter your mom's house. The last time. I was at home in San Francisco, I was trying to help her get rid of don't ever do that with your mom. The worst experience of my life was so emotional we were screaming and fighting and yelling, and it all came. To a climax when she refused to let go of Texas Instruments TI, eighty two manual. The manuel. She don't even know where the calculator. It's those of you under twenty five probably don't know what that calculator is. It was this calculator. Bam booze. My generation we were all required to buy it. When we were in eighth grade it costs like two hundred dollars. And everybody thought it was like this Studi Jetsons laptop from the future all because what could grass. You really left out some key features of TI, eighty two calculator. Yeah. You could type end stuff you could save the answers in it. That's number one. You put your answers into the TI eighty two. I mean, not the answers necessarily unless you had actually took ever. And there was no auto correct or anything could play video games on it though. You could play video games like terrible, text vase video games. Terrible rug wars, you could play you had to give it to your nervous trend. Yeah. They were the only one who knew how to get the games inside of it. But the two main things you could do was hide the formulas like the quad Radka question. If you want to memorize it, you could hide that in your graphing calculator. And then the other thing was not that I would ever do such a thing and children who are listening should not do that. They should do study hard and don't do drugs, but you could tie the answers in there. And then you could play drug wars and centipede on it. But to do all of that was so laborious you need the manual. You need one. Who would take like an hour to enter a quadrant formula? Like much effort to cheat with that calculator. I mean, it was like, and that's fight is real like, my mom. And I like, I remember I think I know I was crying. I'm not sure if she was crying. But there was yelling. And we were like tug a war like yanking that book between us because I was like mom like I just want you to be able to let go of this, you know, like mentally. But she, you know, it's funny because a lot of people seem to resonate with that, especially like immigrant kids because their parents came with nothing, and you would think that because they can with nothing they're like, I don't need nothing. But really they're like I to keep everything because I can. Now, and that whole idea of like, I never know when I might need it 'cause they don't want to buy it again 'cause the cheap. They're scared. They're scared. Yeah. But you know, it's just like a big generational discrepancy. Because now, I'm of the, you know, the generation where it's all about like decluttering, and we have too much. And so, and there's a lot of tension between me, and my mom because of that the other thing that you're special is about I think is having this idea in your head that you have to trick someone into liking you and maybe supporting you, and then falling in love, actually, and like realizing that as as much as you might plan to these tricks, right? These ideas, these schemes as much you might come up with schemes while you're sitting around the house, maybe actually you love your husband. And he loves you and other parts may be also don't even aren't even gonna work out. Right. Yeah. I mean that is basically what happened. I mean, even with my husband. I was like totally initially attracted to all of this superficial stuff. Like, he was you know, the first things I learned about him was that you graduated from Harvard, and he's really looking and then like the reality is when we first went out on our first date. She didn't even pay. He actually borrowed money from me. And. I was like what what is up with this, dude? And he was a Hebrew money from you above and beyond the Bill like see like could you pay for the pizza, and can you hit me with twenty bucks? Let me hold twenty bucks broke. He was just like he was like, I it was cash only. And he was like, oh, I don't have cats, and I was like oh my God. You gotta be kidding. And he chose the place to and it was a horrible place. It was your own fault for dating guy that handsome. Yes. Totally. And then it was like he was a vegan. And at the time. I was like a super carnivore. But then I just kept on going out with him. It's like, I really did just you know, all that other stuff that I cared about fell to the wayside. And yeah, I fell in love with the guy and he's great. I wanna ask you about something that you talk about in the special that you don't hear a lot of people talk about much less to jokes about which is that you had a miscarriage. Yeah. How did you decide whether or not to talk about that publicly and whether or not to talk about that on stage. Well, I think I wouldn't have talked about it publicly if I hadn't have told so many people that I was pregnant, right? When I got pregnant I was so excited that I was pregnant, and I couldn't have imagined anything going wrong. But I told everybody like as soon as it got positive. I told anybody, and then when I had the miscarriage I tell everybody the bad news, which actually turned out to be a good thing. Because you know, when I when I told everybody the bad news, all these women came to me and told me they confess that they too had had a myth. Carriage and. I didn't know how common it was the fact that so many other women have had a miscarriage and told me it did make me feel a lot better because I felt less alone. I felt like I wasn't this infertile free for and it wasn't my fault for having one because it is so dark, and it is so personal because it happens in your body and. You know, a lot of there was a lot of humor in it. I mean after that I found and that I ended up, you know, sharing on stage that other people could seem to find funny too. So at thought, you know, why not put it in there, it it was the one joke that didn't always a hundred percent of the time when I traveled with it work super-duper. Well, but I did I did feel really passionate about including it because. Because I thought it was funny. And also because I thought it was important for other women to know that I had one and that getting pregnant it's not always this like easy journey especially when you're in your mid thirties. And that if they're having like a rocky time to that, they're not alone. I went to my wife, and I went to the doctor we have two kids and had two miscarriages and the most recent one we went to the doctor, and she confirmed that it was a miscarriage and everything and she's super nice. It was not our regular doctor which was a bummer, but she's super nice and. One of the things she said to us was look you've had four pregnancies and two kids and that is a hundred percent in the normal range. And -absolutely nothing to be worried about right? Like to have, you know? I can't remember what exactly the number was twenty to forty percent or something like that. Yeah. Of of pregnancies are miscarried, and it's just part of the way that your body. Make sure that the pregnancy is working, but at the same time, you're still both going through especially for the mother, you're going through a real difficult physical process, and you know, and I think both parents are dealing with the fact that you are, you know, you have a lot of emotional investment in. In making a baby rate and to have a change direction so sharply. Yeah, it's really hard to adjust. And just also I mean, I was told by that by my OB to that it was very common. And it's one thing to be told that it's very common and to be told the statistic it's another thing to put like a face that you know, to the category that you are now a part of. And like even now you telling me like I feel like a bond, and I feel also like so much compassion. And I also feel still like less alone. Just by you telling me now that you guys have had to. But that also you have two kids, and it gives me like it makes me feel better. And it gives me hope to and I mean, even now with like every like every time I want to have more kids I have one now, and I wanna have like at least two more. It's what's the ceiling on this ten? Yeah. Thing is maybe like five they're cheaper. By the dozen as I understand it. Well, I would I would love to have like a dozen. Yeah. But like with every pregnancy. Now, I'm gonna be that worry that like is this going to take, you know, and they're still also going to be that envy, which I think is natural of other women who have never had a miscarriage who have it. So seemingly easy. And that that's all normal. You know? And that it's okay to feel envy that it's okay to feel scared and to not feel like attached when you find out that you're pregnant, I mean, all those things, and I wish women would talk about it more. So that it would it would even though is that it would would it would feel more normal. I found comfort the second time around in. In the idea that it's the, you know, it's the body protecting itself and protecting you and protecting the pregnancy that it is saying this one's not gonna work. I better take care of this. We'll try again, right? I mean, there's it's I take so much comfort in that too. But then you get people saying to you. Did you Dr till you maybe why you out the miscarriage? Or is there anything you could have done? So that it would have stayed and I went to an acupuncturist shortly after and I told him that I had a miscarriage, and it was a I went to the Santa Monica school of acupuncture, which was my mistake. And it was like, that's when you know, they have like, you know, what you really want. When you go to get acupuncture is a caricature of Chinese man kidding. You acupuncture. But really, I got this like, you know, I think she was white and she was like twenty one years old and was just trying to figure out do peace corps. Or should I do acupuncture and decide to go with acupuncture and told me that she had all these hippy philosophies about how I should go out and close my eyes and spend time in the sun. So that next time when I get pregnant the baby will wanna stay, and it was like, are you kidding, dude? Like the worst bedside manner in the world. But in that she was like placing. Blame on me. And I think some people when they ask you what was the cause of the miscarriage in that question. They don't know it, but that they are sort of placing some blame on the woman. And and it's it's really intense. So, you know, like, I said just knowing that so many other women have it helped that I know have had it helped me understand that it was not my fault. This expectation that somebody that the reply to that question is going to be like, well, I can't I can't put my finger on it. I was driving cross country on my hog. Yeah. And I was getting all these bar fights, right? Totally like well. It's oh, I think it was this piece of sushi that I ate on December fifth. I think it was because I sniffed whiskey. I think it's because you know, I went running. It's like, no, none of it is your fault. You know? I so appreciate you taking the time to be on bullseye. So fun to get shocked to talk to you to always great to see you. Allie Wong, folks. If you haven't heard any of her stand up, please go check her out baby. Cobra and hard knock wife are both from this. She's also a regular on the ABC sitcom American housewife. Every week on the show, we close with a recommendation from yours, truly it's the outshot. How do you make music that's simultaneously, peaceful and churning how can you make something per cuss it without percussion? How do you vote longing and passion without changing the tone of your vocal more than I don't know a quarter of a step? Frankly, I don't know I can hear it. But I can't even describe it or understand. 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The. Former executive turned lifestyle entrepreneur, Connie is ridiculously dedicated to inspiring individuals to activate their power and live their dream as a lifestyle entrepreneur. It's time to sit down, lie down or squat down and turn up the volume up or out with Connie starts right now. Hi there. I'm kind of five year end stoppable diva and today Dr Ruraza slavon. She's been a palliative care physician for over twenty years, and she soon publishing her first book. She's gonna be author of a young adult equal thriller called code blue, which I found really, really, really interesting. I could go on and on and on introducing a tour guest. But I really want to jump right into talking about your book and the excitement that you've had of discovering all of the years of your work in this in the science field that has had a creative side to you where you realize you're writing and having this book being published religion, the way you're looking at the sciences. So I, I'm really interested. I would really love you to share that with our listeners. Oh, sure. Thank you so. Much for having me, Connie. I really enjoy the opportunity in the chance to speak with you. Yes. So as you said, I've been a doctor for a long time now and and thinking about that world and medical science for long before that, and you know, I was always a big time reader, and I think I just never thought that I could do creative writing and became very focused on medicine, and it takes a lot of work in time, and then I raised three kids. So that took a lot or can time on. And one day we were driving along drive and had a lot of time to think. And I started to think about the books that I had been reading, especially books. I've been reading with my daughter who was a young teenager at that time, and a lot of these books were amazing. And I wish I had had books like that when I was young, they were books with like strong female protagonists heroes who are out saving the world and and I thought that was awesome. But I thought, you know what? All these girls are like saving the world using their bravery and their shooting skills and, and, and that's great. But I thought, where are the girls who are saving the world using their intelligence, you know, where are the geeking girls like I used to, and I really wanted a girl like that in a book for my daughter, and I thought, well, you know if that's what I want, maybe I should try right it. And that was kind of the beginning of a very novel idea for me. That you know what, if something is missing in the world and and I feel that it should be there, maybe it's one of my possible roles is to try and put it out there. So I just started to think about it and what could book be about. And I thought, well, if you're really smart, you could save the world from climate shades that would be. Yeah. Yes. So then I had to go and learn all about climate change, which is completely different type of science than the science that I was used to it medical science, but I sort of self taught did a lot of reading great books in great documentaries in at the same time was learning how to do creative writing and Connie can't tell you when I started to write it was like suddenly discovering my happy place, I think. Yeah, I was just I could sit down and write an hour's would go by, and I was like, really like I couldn't believe it. I, it just makes even now a man working on other projects, but writing is my happiest space? No, you're the field it working in with with with the science climate change now your daughter's working in helping you with this project is correct. She is. Yes. So I'm so excited. Some of my enthusiasm has caught onto her. She also is like. Me like she likes science and she likes reading over Christmas, oh my God. She gave made the best Christmas gift you could ever want. So she's sixteen years old and as a Christmas gift, she put together a business plan for her and I to do a podcast together. The family that plays together stays together, but how you're sharing that with your daughter and how she's also caught onto that. Has that same passion that you to? That's incredible. It is. So we just every week we sit down for twenty or thirty minutes. The two of us in we talk about something to do with climate change. Yeah. So podcast is green girl talk, and it's focused round yellow things. The sixteen year old would be interested in like movies and movie stars and makeup and clothes, but all of these things interact with climate change, right? Like there's nothing that doesn't. We're having so much fun doing. It's incredible how fun is that and she could probably use that in school like a school project or her senior project or something that she'll have coming up. Yeah. Well, she's thinking about maybe going into media arts program in university, so could be helpful for that yet. I mean, she does all the producing the whatever of the podcast I show up and talk. She. The best thing to do with Bob. That's really, that's really incredible that you that you have that with with your with our children, and sometimes we don't think they're listening. Yeah, because I, I have to brag. When you said you got the greatest gift for Christmas? I I myself to now my daughter and son in the early thirties, so they're, they're older. They have their careers. I was a single mom, you know, most of their use? Yeah. And my son was six months old. Madonna was three years old. Became single. Yeah. So all of those years, you know, mom struggle going the school. I had two jobs at one point, ran my family's restaurant and on and on, and I always had that guilt that I wasn't giving enough time to my kids. Yeah. And even when I went back to school, they would go to my classroom with me. Yeah, it was funny. And so for Christmas just this year, they because we worked together at Christmas time this year and my daughter's one St.. My son's in another state, they sent me a book on my Angelo and all my Angelo's writings, and they sent me a bracelet with a saying on it. She said she could ensure did. That's awesome and Hannah. I was there. Yeah, touch. Of course. I was sick at the time to make more. I back to to my daughter and she didn't say from Stephanie and Michael until I read the the bracelets gold race with the charm on it, but said, you know, we love you. Yeah, went back to a. She goes, no, that's from both. Michael and myself, you know, we talked about in, we thought that that was perfect for who you are and I, you know, a six and a, why would you give me a gift like that? Yeah. And she said, why wouldn't we? She? She goes, you are might might my best role model. And I talked to my son and he based on same thing because I never really talked to them about the other programs that I do, but they pay attention. Yeah, it's the the gift of being known by your children, you know. That's incredible, right. And they see, it's not what you say to them in when you do, it's your actions like that's what kids see and follow 'em pay attention to. Yeah, yeah. And my daughter and I last year we spent her husband's in military so he was gone. So we spent several weeks together. I went and stayed with her and we drank a lot of wine and cried a lot. And because I did for a long time, Jerry that guilt that I was like, my career is important and I headed do this and they had to do this. And a lot of it I was doing out of necessity to take care of my children, but I still had a lot of guilt that it wasn't there for them as much as you know, the stay at home mom and she's like, no, mom. She said, I don't know how you could have been any other way. Yeah. You know, I mean, I think like you said you, you may not have had much of a choice in some peop-. Some women feel like they do have a choice. They don't know what choice to make, and I think you know whatever the choices that honors who you are, right? That's what your kids are going to see when my kids were little. I worked part time when they got older. I worked more hours. I never stopped working like except for maternity leave. It wasn't financially I had to. It was because that's what I wanted to do. And in, I think whether you have I have sons, well, sons and daughters. They see, you know, a woman needs to be true to herself to follow her passion and her calling, and you can still be a wife. It'd be a mother, right? And be yourself, and you don't have that carry all biz guilt. Ambi just need to let let that go. And the one thing that you've said is finding the balance and still honoring your happy creative place. Yeah, I think we all have all these different parts to us. Right. And sometimes that creative place when were younger, get stifled like, oh, you're not very good at coloring or drawing dear. You're something else or inside the line. Or how are you going to make a living doing that? That's another big thing. What I think we all need to find a way to express ourselves in. It's different for everybody, right? The be writing us art, whatever your way is Mike, let your voice shine. Yes, and that's exactly it. Again, going back to the whole concept of womanhood dares to know that my own children had recognized that, and again, it's it's okay. It's okay ladies. We could be a mom. We could get a wife. We can be a single mom and still go out. I mean, we know so many single moms, Lisa McDonnell that we both a Moen cheese to the Ballas job yet miss little hard work sometimes, but you know what? Everything's hard work if you truly want that and you can be a stay at home mom, and that's true to who you are, and that's awesome to like ending. Spend that time with your kids before they grow up because on right. They grow up so fast. Oh gosh, they got. They're still your babies though. You know there. Go to take that away. So these sentences for me Mircea creativity is creativity is finding your voice and letting it out no matter what other people say. Imagination is imagination is picturing the best and the worst and holding onto both. Yeah, we'll have to do a lot of that in palliative care. Yeah, I'm do. What's that moment? What is that one moment in your life that had the greatest impact? O- one moment that had the greatest impact that's. I can. I can only pick one Connor. We, we have so many right. At a hate, the pips outta gender bias by, yeah, when while he's like, oh, I have a list. Yes, guy. It's like, right. All right. Okay. Well, off the top of my head might think of something else later. But right now I'm going to say the one moment in my life that made the biggest difference to me was one winter is evening when we were living in New England. And at that time I had two little boys and I said to my husband, we have to have a serious talk. We'd better get a wine or a beer and get the fire going, and he's like, oh, what's going on on her? Yes. Andrea. And so we sat down the kids were asleep, and I said, there's something I need to talk to about release area. Sleaze like, okay, what's going on? And I said, I've been thinking about this and I think that I want to adopt a baby. He said, really? So do I. No, I'm being serious like I want to do this. Yeah, I wanna do that too. And I mean, that was a pivotal moment in so many ways. I mean, hey, and my relationship with my husband already been married to for twelve years, but he realize on something so big, we're on the same age, but be it resulted in the adoption of my daughter who's now sixteen and just the balancing out in the completeness of our family via. Oh, that's so beautiful, beautiful. So as women and men with is always at place of fear zoo for you. Weirdest fear come from. Well, I think fear for me comes from the the realization again, the very real Ness of my work in palliative care that like for every single one of us me included time is ticking right? And knowing that I feel like there's so many things that I wanna do and accomplish. It's very hard for me sometimes to be in the moment just because like I know, but times going to be up, I wanna do this and this and this. And so when I think about fear for me, that's kinda my biggest fear is not having enough time to to do all the things I wanna do in life time is time is fear. Yeah, I think we get to that age. It's like, yes, but I still have all of these things. I'm Ed Jacqueline's a my to do list. I gotta do Hollick sacked. I mean, we all live different lives and be happy. Right? Right. So how do we have conversation around the equality of men and women? Oh, that's a really good question in a really timely topic, actually, right? I mean, I think there is importance in recognizing that men and women are equal, but different. Right. And so what makes sense to some people doesn't make sense to other people and and you know, even in saying that it just like comes into my head, of course, you know, you and I are probably of a generation where there are two genders, right know right now, there's a lot more than two genders. Right? Fifty, seven different genders on Tinder or something. And so you know how our men and women equal will help are all people right? Because there's also people of color and for sure you know, people have different economic levels and a, how do we respect that quality in everybody. And to me, I think finding equality comes down to finding compassion when you can find compassion for another person. If it's a man woman child, whatever their race wherever they live, right? He quality grows from that. So I think if we could nurture our sense of compassion to each other and then let's spread further. Let's nurture compassionate to animals into other living things in the world to write. I love that because it really comes down to it's it's not agenda issue. Oh, it's it's culture. It's like you said, the economic differences, the the collar differences of our skin. I mean, it it just, you know, it doesn't matter. I spoke to a woman earlier who who's in wheelchair and has polio and she's a black woman. Yeah. And she said, I never knew that. She is I, I was a child of polio choose. I was I was a black woman. I was. I think it remains to be recognize person for who they are and where you know where I, I can't go to target without giving somebody money in the front or house was like, just keep walking, stop, looking over their escape. Like this field in stuff says, can like in a lot of them congregate there. So he adds. There's there's so much suffering, you know, and you don't have to look far to see it. No, you know, even help help the person in front of you help the person right next to even whatever little way you can. Right. You don't know. Like just you think, well, my little bit, what differences that gonna make new. We don't know the ripple effect of what we do. Your little bit might be the thing that really makes a difference in there is a a digress. Now, there was a young woman there recently and sitting and could tell she's ripped torn. She was crying, have any money. I'm like, husbands. I try to drag me away as like a look at how are you. Well and said, I'm seven to seventeen. And why? Why are you sitting here? And I know that the biggest challenge is one thing that I do see here in the LA area. There's a lot of homeless, but you also have the foster agencies where the kids age out. Yeah, she was seventeen and she was from Austin, Texas. Okay. And she was here because she came to help her sister and her sister was killed the week before it a drug on my job by their by their home, and I remember seeing it in the paper. So she was trying to rake collect money. She wanted to go back to Texas to be with her own daughter who is in a two year old daughter she had has said, okay, I'm gonna do this. I'm going to take you to the bus station and I wanna put you on the bus while. Yeah, but that's it. Right? Compassion. It's an imagination. It's like you just, you don't necessarily know everybody's story. But in that case she was she was open to sharing her story with you. There's gotta be compassion for how did this person get here? What in their life led them and how do I know I'm so different or my own child is so different. That could be my child sitting, right? Yeah. Actually, I have a cousin in Kentucky who does live on the streets yet. He, he got addicted on drugs. Many years ago we've tried pulling him off many times the family. We've done a lot of things, but this is all he knows in, you know, now assistant mental sickness for him and she, we just can't get him off the streets, so get why people are there. And I always, of course, I always think of him when a see somebody homeless. Because you know, I've seen him. I've, I've gone to the bridge in defined. It's like, Hello, you know, but you need to be there. So anyway, we grass. How. What? What is your truth? Your north star that guides your way of life and keeps you going. That's an easy. One might truth is that I am here on this earth in this life to help other people, and it may be my family. It may be my patients or my colleagues. It may be people who I helped by spreading a positive message about climate change and helping people to feel empowered about that because climate change affects people all around us. They might not be my next door. Neighbor might be, but it, you know, it's another way of helping people is through doing that. So I feel any time that I can do anything to help someone. That's my purpose. Beautiful. It's beautiful. So that's all we have for today. But before we close if you have any closing remarks and also let listeners know how they could find you hap- -solutely. So yeah, I'm super excited that my book is being published. It's gonna be launched on Earth Day. Which is April eighteen? No, it's not. It's April twenty. Second twenty eighteen. And it you'll be able to get it on Amazon. I'd say that's probably the best way to get it. As on Amazon. I have a very small, but awesome publisher called moon, willow press. You can find me. I have a website Marissa's Slavin dot com. My daughter and I have our podcast called green girl talk. It's on. I tunes in soundcloud, have a Facebook page. Marissa's Slaven author, and I'm on June name of your book out. The name of the book is code. Blue code blue is a medical when your heart stops and they try and resuscitate you. Right? And I kind of feel like climate change were at that point. It could go either way and so it's time to call code blue and get to work on this very timely as well. Yeah. Melissa, I'm so thrilled that you've been here. Thank you so much, Connie. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. Hey, y'all. Thanks for listening to up or out with them if you like what you hear and would like to be guest Email the team at book me at up or out dot com. Learn how you can activate your power at activate my power dot com. We'll see over there, activate your power and be unstoppable together.
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