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Smart Sex, Smart Love Dr. Lee Phillips on Sex Therapy and Chronic Illnesses & Disabilities
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. Www DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com before information. Welcome the smart sex smart love. We're talking about sex. Goes beyond the taboos and talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I'm Dr Joe Court. Thanks for tuning in law and welcome back to smart sex smart love. Thank you all for tuning in each week. And if you knew to my podcast. Hello and welcome this week. I'll be chatting about sex therapy and chronic illness and disability with my guest. Dr Lee Phillips. Dr Phillips is in private practice in Washington. Dc where he treats clients with chronic illness and sexual dysfunction author of the Book Sex and love when you are sick. Dr Lee is an ace certified sex therapist and also lectures on topics including sexuality chronic pain anxiety and stress management caregiving stress depression in the elderly mindfulness and cognitive strategies for chronic pain. Dr Lee Wants to crush the myth that people with chronic illness and other disabilities are not sexual. Plus he says that couples can overcome shame and sexual limitations caused by illness to reclaim unsexy. That works for them. Welcome Dr Les. Thank you for having me. Oh it's so great to have you And maybe we could even since. It's the time of Kobe. Nineteen we might even talk a little bit about how to our people to be sexual during a time where they may be contagious. And all of that. We didn't talk about that but I'm hoping you might be able to address it a little bit. Yeah absolutely because it's been coming session with my friends and I've also I've been writing a little bit about it as well. I'll goodson. Could we start with them? Like wh what these people. Ask Me that you do those Joe Court live after dark facebook ratings and people ask me. I don't feel qualified to answer that. So what do you say? Well you know it's interesting. I have a lot of clients that I see that have chronic illness Do Too. That's the area that I down and you know. Chronic illness or no chronic illness people were really afraid to have sex whether they are single or their partner there so Living in this time of fear that they don't want to give it to their partner that they want to be sexual what I'm released stand. Which is fascinating is that there is like Some sexual desire. But there's all there's the low sexual desire. I'm hearing all types of messages. I'm that you know You know accident last thing on my mind right now. It's the last thing that I wanna do but I'm also hearing from my clients that I'm Super Horny and all I WANNA do. It had set and so we're trying to figure out You know what what to do with that and so we talk about desire and we talk about you know spontaneous desire that people were having where they think about it and they want it and then what can they do in that happened so we also talk about responded desire how you know have some physical things going on and then they get that response and they really want to have it. But one of the things that I'm really seeing my work right now when it comes to the nineteen is a tour. Grea- I mean people are very Scared about what the future holds for example. It's like having a loved one that gets diagnosed with a terminal illness. And you worry what what happened to them? Well right now in a world. Where in fear about what's going to happen and so with that happening I feel like there is the Idea of low sexual desire that that can be there and when I have clients that are talking about that. They do have some type of Time of facts and there is this time of uncertainty. There's room for opportunity and so I've stressed that if you're feeling sexually aroused that you don't want to engage in physical distance thing you still can be sexual and you don't have to. You know as well as I know is a sex therapist that you don't have to engage in mind blowing sex sexual pleasure. It's not a performance. It's all about pleasure your pleasure and so I always tell my clients get jurist about yourself. Get curious about your partner get creative with your sex and make space for the erotic and I always day construct. The blueprint effectual. Effectual blueprint of your body and Mac places on your body where you see more or less sexual sensation. I think we're living in a time right now where people are really getting involved with masturbation and having to start and how to please themselves and looking at pressures in their bodies. Where do they feel? The most stations could patterns. That feel good. You know. That's the one thing that I love about sex and then I love about sex. Therapy is that you can get so creative with sex and was sex therapy. When one thing doesn't work try something different. I love that you were talking about being creative around auto erotic and sell you know sex with oneself. Because that's something so taboo to talk about when I bring it up with couples. We often say. Oh they're shy about it. They haven't never talked about it with each other. One feels threatened by it. Like what do you mean you having sex with yourself when you can be having sex with me instead of making room for both sex with oneself and each other. I'm kind of I liked the the picture giving to map out the body of where where they have their own pleasure zones right absolutely and you know. I think it's so critical to have some type of dialogue with your partner where you can communicate your sexual and your erotic desires especially during this time. Because I feel like everyone is thinking in we're quarantine so when you're quarantine and you're standing in you get more into your thoughts and so you're thinking about. Well what can I do sexually? And when you have a par- a couple like with what you were just describing one thing that is very helpful is to hold the space for them where they can really communicate those needs and they can do some mirroring they can do that. Validating show an entity to each other to where they can understand each other at your partners not a mind reader areas. Sometimes I have couples. They they think that they their partner assumed what they want. But they don't know and so it's so critical to be able to to hold that conversation or to have that dialogue and especially with chronic illness. I would imagine even if you think you know you're not going to understand how sexualities impacted by the illness right absolutely especially if you have a couple where where usually where what happens is you've got one couple that One partner does have a chronic illness and the wind is now and so. It's helping that partner. The healthy partner understand the feelings in the motion that the ill partner is having and I find is when you can work on their emotional stability of their relationship. Because I call it the rupture in the partnership when someone gets diagnosed with a chronic illness. There's a lot of shame My Body is broken. You know there's a lot of discomfort disconnect with each other and sometimes it's not so much the ill partner sometimes. It's the healthy partner. They're afraid they're going to hurt them. I mean just engage from being sexual and so I think we can do expect there is really holding the space for them to be able to talk that out and you know in order to do You really have to understand the different stages of chronic illness that people go through the not I gauge. It's a crisis de during that crisis based they're usually looking for a diagnosis. It's an emergency stage. And so we start to see a lot of rupture in the partnership. You know there can be angered. There's a lot of different emotions. Their sadness grief veteran staff and then after we start to see stabilization phase where their symptoms are plateauing. But they're able to understand a little bit about how their illness works and they make it a little better. Maybe they have a diagnosed and farthest point. But sometimes they're still not feeling very sexual. There's a lot of low sexual desire at this point. And then they go through a resolution phase where they really start to They're having relapses but they're starting to even understand their illness even more and they're finally and learning that they can't be the person that they used to be but maybe they can start to develop a new authentic sell by locating what's important to them and what can they do sexual so it's looking at what's possible instead of one wanted cheerful and being able to hold that faith integration faith which allowed faith. That's where I start to see. Clients really starts reclaimed their sexuality That's Nice Yeah Sh. Yeah that's really good because people get so gas about you know they get they get so hopeless about it there and you know with one of the things that low sexual desire. We have to look at mental health issues. Do you know I've always Practiced the idea that I'm always go there first and then I'm Erica and so I think it's critical to look at the underlying mental health issue. And what the research shows. If there's chronic pain injured chronic illness if you can decrease your symptoms of depression and anxiety or any other emotions that you're feeling then you can manage your pain debtor. And that's when I start to see people become more sexual and that's when you know we start to see the integration of a second south comes into their lives and when there's a lot of acceptance sex foods and then they're able to really start to be sexual again with each other okay now that was to stick to two of them right there to more for it in here. I went ahead and I did all four. But the integration phase is where you really start to see couples become more sexual. David separate the illness. They want to learn how to live well with it. And then they want to reclaim their sexuality and Reclaiming Sexuality. It is the common thing that we use in sex therapy. When it comes to treating chronic illness that really when people are wanting to reclaim their sex after. They've been diagnosed with something and they were sexual before the diagnosis That's going to be really hold the space and start to do the sex therapy then but it's critical to really look at. What was their sex like prior to until And is it hard to get them to talk about all this when they come into the office? Well you know when they know that I'm a sex therapist usually not When I tell them I am like well. That's an added. Bonus it you know it. It goes back to the idea that you know. When I have the clients that come in with chronic pain conditions or chronic illnesses. They always say that their doctor never brings anything about sex you know. It's not disgusted in the office of minutes with the doctor. You know. I'm sure you've heard that too. You know you just don't talk about it I have a in the in the. Lgbtq community right doctors even if LGBT wanted to talk about it the doctors are still discriminated A negative and hostile But even without outside the The doctors aren't trained. We're not drinking so they don't know what to say yes absolutely. They don't know what the train and I've even had that experience when I worked with the client or people that you know identify with having a vulva they show and they Donna College. It doesn't talk about it so it's not trying to down the medical community. It's just it's not talked about. They're trained in the medical model. Were diagnosed and they put a label on the illness but when we were a psychotherapist we look at how we do that. Holistic treatment right where we look at the whole person and how it impacts their life. That's the difference between disease until this disease pathology of it if the label we gotta call it something but in the illness room of things we're looking at the human experience and that's really what we do is therapist. Yeah right and you know. We're kind of the medical model to write and sold. Sadly so many regular therapists are not trained in sexual health and don't get the German. So that's why it's important. People know that sex therapist In addition being right regular psychotherapists exist absolutely and you know I really have great appreciation to my colleague heart back there because they were people. Jamie they will say you know. I'm I'm not trained and extra -ality or you know. Consensual non monogamy polly Emery kink a chronic illness and stack the second disability. So I'm going to refer to Dr Phillips Down. The road and I really do appreciate that and I think we're seeing more folks do that. It's funny I had a client that I was working with one time. And she came to me and she Had Been Sick for ten years and did not know what was wrong with her. She kept getting the runaround from doctors. You've got FIBROMYALGIA you've got this you've got that and I looked at her one day and I said have you been to a rheumatologist. And she said no never so. I gave her a few name. She went to a rheumatologist and for five or my house. There's no blood test or it. So you have to be diagnosed by identifying trigger points in your body better painful and so she ended up meeting like eleven out of the eighteenth trigger points on her by ever very very painful she had a lot of digestive issues and variety. Depression Chronic migraine. She was not feeling sexual at all. And so after. She was diagnosed with FIBROMYALGIA. The doctor looked at her and said I need you to do three things. I need you to try to live a stress. Free life difficult but try. I need you to try to get rest. And the third thing is I want you to be a psychotherapist and I love hearing that because what we're seeing in the research. Is that the one of the number one treatments for chronic pain management. It's like rotate. That's awesome. It's awesome that they're no that did not just the medical model on that there's psychological psychosocial psycho-sexual social McCarthy says in our field. Yeah Yeah I'm just saying like just the psychosocial stressors that filter in you know it's funny. I have a couple of times. Joe that are doing fine with each other. They're having sex or communicating their emotional. They're going on dates doing this. But they have these outside factors coming into their partnership that causes the rupture there's psychosocial stressors that come in. I see that all the time yes I do. Can you speak to? What happens to the partnership from being neglected due to chronic illness right so I don't know both couples? Both partners neglected or departing isn't a struggling with a chronic illness. Who's feels more neglected? You see that yes I do see that. That's a great question and they're both they both feel neglected Once the partner the partner that has a disability or they've got chronic illness. They feel. They may be having to low sexual desires but they're not feeling sexual today may disengaged and they feel neglected or they feel like their bodies broken or they have the fear that Hey. I'm not going to be able to please my partner like the way that I used to. Maybe the partner that ill with the partner. That was initiating the sex and now they're no longer initiating it and then the other partner that's healthy. They're feeling guilty because they're having some feelings about not wanting to be sexual with their partner or they're afraid they're going to harm their partner. And so that's why I call it the rupture in the partnership. Because that's what happened. There's this thing needs they isolate from each other and they had this fear and so one of the things that I really work on. I like seeing different. Things happen on one end of the spectrum. I'm see folks that come in. And they say Dr Phillips we really need to have great sex and so the relationships and stuff. That's happened probably three times in my career the therapists but then on the other side I seek folks that had all of the Conflict and their relationship and they really need to work on that for VAT tapes I do. They become close to each other again. Reclaimed that intimacy and then we can look at the stocks and that's what I have found with chronic illness. It's getting into closer first of all. It's getting them to talk about it. They stopped talking about it. It's like clothes off and we can have that stinks for them to engage. Then we start to see the rupture He'll there about it more You know I use a lot of IMAGO. Dialoguing in my session and so having them do that having the practice that is home having them come back in and giving them some assignments we start to speak things. That are different now. What has to happen to? You is the partner. That was initiating sex. They may no longer. They may not be able to do that. So the other partner that would not initiated it. They may have to be the initiator so we start to see roles change which is very interesting and helping them adjusted and there's a lot of sexual adjustment that have to happen. Now when you say Mago so people understand that Mago relationship. There has set of communication exercises. And that's what you're talking about correct. Yes that's what we're talking about in the inaugural dialogue you know. There's three components that we you nearing where they mirror each other. One suspender wants to receiver or we call the host and the visitor and then after that stage validate validating is very difficult. I find because I have couples that come in and maybe you've heard this where it's like. Why am I gonNA validate something when I don't agree with them absolutely here and I always say well? I'm like well. Validating is not agree with your partner. You're just acknowledging their feeling your allergy in their reality right. It's like you reality. I don't I completely disagree with but I can see it from your point of view is one of the hardest thing for couples to do. Isn't that so difficult? And it's so difficult when you're working with chronic illness. It's so difficult because the client or the partner that's chronically ill sometimes and it's unfortunate. They become a victim of their illness. The whole thing and it takes over it consumes them and that's very difficult and so what we find is the healthy partner sharp to become resentful and that's very difficult and I in my experience as a psychotherapist sex therapist sometimes. It's so difficult to heal resentment. It's so difficult. But when we can turn that around and they can start the valley and then that's the second stage nowadays should in the IMAGO dialogue. And then you get into some empathy work. We need to see a change happen. I'm a big fan of IMAGO relationship therapy. I've been trained and got missile. I'd look at some. Dsp stuff. But I love Imago because I feel is a therapist and just to educate the listeners. You know in sex therapy. We know that it always has this cognitive behavioral foundation. Which yes it's needed especially when you're looking at sexual function and things like that but we find that we can go much deeper and we can find a lot of our client could have these childhood. Willie's that can be ill so really a lot of the stuff you're talking about for any couple not just couples of chronic illness absolutely it. It's any couple so when I treat chronic illness One of the things that have to do with them really sexual adjustment. It's doing different things. That are sexual. And so that may not be penetrative sex. They may have to involve more creativity with oral sex or mutual masturbation. They may have to change the day when they have a lot of time. Some people are chronically ill. They have more energy in the morning. So we talk about morning that they get on a schedule with each other where couples. That aren't chronically ill. It's really just healing. The emotional piece and then they can go have sex or maybe they can reclaim whatever they were doing but when it comes to treating disability. It's having to get more creative you know. It's actually interesting when I have a couple who had disabilities where I've had partners where they're both disabled but a Boston had inter able couples. Where one has a disability and when does not they actually become very creative with their sex? It's actually quite interesting. And then I can take what they tell me and I can apply that I. I don't have disabilities Rocco so it. It's really interesting. It is great. It is great But that's really the difference that I see when I'm doing you know couples therapy. Now let me ask you. What are some tips that you provide couples that suffer from sexual dysfunction? Do you have like easy? Tips with them with with chronic illness and sexual function. Yeah you know there are some you can have all what you want to really try to do it that you want and this is. I think one of the most difficult pieces is that you want to do. You Wanna be able to talk about it. You WanNa hold the space where you know you can talk to each other about it. And I think that's what's great about owning the states face for our clients to get them to at least start talking about what the core issue is. What are what's triggering the anger which triggering the sadness you know. There's a grief Beckham product and so I have used fugler. Roth is model with that. There's a denial factor. You know the partner feel like Oh i. I have multiple stresses. But I'm still going to do what I wanted to do. Right I I. I don't believe this yet. And then they realized that they can't too. There's a denial factor then. There's a lot of anger you. What I'm angry that I had here. I've been such a sexual bean all my life. You know one of our clients. They really their genitals born from their sexuality. And I yes and I I can't go to the dungeon and play like I used to. I can't go out with my play partners. I can't have the sex that I used to have to. What can I do now? There's a lot of anger then. There's bargaining where they're begging you go back to the body that they had And so we see that and so working within through those emotions and then we see depression right there. A lot of depression. That is the most common mental health problem that come with sex and disability is depression and so holding space for healing and I use a lot of cognitive work in that looking at well. What can you do that candy? Sexual that Gandhi pleasurable and then of course we go to acceptance with the last stage and greet model and you know. It's not linear because they may go back and forth between different data but that's the biggest is getting through that then. I remind the couple that they can still have a physical relationship with each other without a high level of sexual desire. Because that's the big piece. They come in thinking I still have to perform and when they get into that performance mode. That's when we start to see a lot of anxiety and so being able to get back into your body in decrease staff and there's many ways of expressing love and fondness without having to have full boy sexual intercourse cuddling kissing massage simple compliment you know when we have that responsive desire and your partner is telling you you look so good today. He looks handsome. You still pretty. What does that view that can cause a lot of arousal and so getting back in to that type of communication that I use is ultra genital station which I think is very helpful where You know we cannot restore station part of the body affected by disability or illness sometimes and so different techniques can be used to explore various body parts without immediate focus on the genitals. So say you have some one that is paralyzed in the way down and they don't feel anymore but they can still feel in their chests. They're armed their fingers. I had client at their coupled to be able to explore that with each other on what other areas still good to them. Now I saw client. I saw a client one time that his wife would massage just dumb like if Kina and it would cause an orgasm. He would have a button word. Got Them from. That's awesome needs to yes. It was amazing. When I attended my star my sexual attitude reassessment my sexual Reassessment attitude training on Sexual attitude reassessment for my certification which we have to do to become an ASE certified issued a video of this where client who was single. He had a sex surrogate. Come in you know. If they're against someone to work with people to help reclaim sex learn about their body and she did this history as well so it was amazing to be able to see that. And that's really what the work is really doubt it strain different things and so using different touch kissing sucking Different types of sexual tool vibrators toys become very critical during this time Trying those things and again it's really dooming the the communication and what feels good to you and having that dialogue. And that's what I visited that I always share and then I always encourage people to do whether they're single or their park. It reminds me of Joan Price I had on here. Who works with people over fifty and sex and she says you know our bodies change things. Stop working we just have to work harder. Work longer and adapt and it's not. It's not such a bad thing. You it's doable. What she says. And that's what you yes. It is doable. You're looking at what's possible now that this has changed and now that someone is in a new body or they're born with a disability. I have to have to rebuild boldy that I see and they've been disabled their whole life and they've been mold that they're not sexual your effectual. Because you know you're you can't have tax you're in a wheelchair and that is traumatizing. It's damaging and so they come to see me and they're you know they're like I n sexual. I WANNA HAVE SEX. I I I do get Oranje I have arousal in in me And one of my good friends Andrew. Girls who is disability activist? He has his own. Podcast isn't after dark and a guest on there quite a bit and he talks a lot about queer disability and sex and being able to be sexual in your body and find what feels that you and that's really what about So before we have a few more minutes I would like to talk about if you would. What inspired you to write and and the Book Sex love when you are sick and have this topic out there. Yeah well you know I. It's in the proposal. Stage is at this time and editing my sample chapters of the book and you know I got inspired to write this book. Because you know the idea is a. There's a lot of literature out there on on disability. You know in two thousand and three. We have the ultimate guide to you know. Disability chronic pain chronic illness which is a great book and one that I use. But you know. We're seeing a gap in the research. And so I really got inspired to write the book because I was seeing the semi sessions. And I'm like well I want to do something about this and I feel like when you're an expert in something that's so critical to write about it. And so my bowl it's GONNA mainly due for couple of the people can read it as well and it's going to apply to our readers heterosexual gay. Lesbian Queer transgender Kingston. Those that are also in Pollyannas poly-amorous relationship I think that's important so I'm going to have different composite of people that I've seen in therapy. That fit all of those categories and talk about their journey and how they dealt with their ability and becoming sexual again and my book it's going to provide couples with the opportunity to really improved their personal connection around factual missy and give them a chance to really enhance their sexual awareness. Their communication and their sexual dial. So I'm super excited about it. I think it's going to be very helpful for folks and I'm really looking forward to To get done I'm so I know I remember those days ago even written a book now in six years I mean every little any little booklets easier I. It's like having a baby I don't know maybe I can't say that because I've never had a baby but off really freaking out. It's really hard to my proposal on those done which is great every all the components in my proposal finished. I'm just working on the temple. The second sample chapter and Dr Tammy Nelson. She's been so nice enough to be my editor so she's adding it and then I'm hoping to get it out with some agent by this summer. You know we just get it out there and see if I get any grabbed on it. I think it's such a needed topic. I think it's a topic that's not talked about enough now and I'm super excited about it because you know. Forty million people in this country suffer from chronic illness and this year. That number is going to double and people WANNA have sex. People want to their sexuality And I'm very busy right now. With couvert nineteen going on because most of my clients are chronically. Ill and they're terrified so it. I've been super busy. Which in great. But it's such a rewarding job actually so happy to have you on here and so happy that you're part of our modern sex therapy he clear. I really appreciate you being a part of that whole sexual certificate program that we offer. How can people find you on the Internet? You can find me on facebook at Dr Lethal ups. You can also find me on Instagram at Dr Phillip at my website. Ww Dot. Dr Lethal Dot. Thank you so much for. Be My guest Dr Lee and thanks for everyone listening. Don't forget to follow me on Instagram and twitter at Dr Joe Cork and please re rate review and subscribe to my podcast till next week. Goodbye everybody thanks for listening to this episode of Smart Sex Smart Love. I'm Dr Joe Court and you can find me on Joe. Court DOT com. That'S J. O. E. K. O. R. T. DOT COM. And see you next time.
745: Our body is a gift from the Creator - Habits with Dr. Lee Warren
"Hello everyone I'm Kevin Miller and this is the ziglar show where our goal is to inspire your true performance in this episode. Our body is a a gift from the Creator. This is a licensed to invest in ourselves not in management if you woke up to a brand new car for instance in your driveway and a no car that said hey from God you'd be ecstatic and you would take care of that. Maybe how about your body well. After leading his Health Go Dr Lee Warren committed to caring for himself and here in our habits show he made the statement. Our body is a gift to us from the Creator. That's got the title. He's lost weight and increased increased his energy and it was a reminder that self care is a priority instead of something left to last. After you take care of everyone anyone else again. We can only give out. Pour out what we've got within us. WE'LL DR Warren. He was my guest in show. Seven forty three where we talked about the massive the value and necessity of hope. Something he knows well as a renowned neurosurgeon dealing daily with trauma and tragedy. Well along with health we walk through. Of course the other six folks in the Ziglar Wheel of life with Dr Warren. And you'll be inspired by what a top doctor and author does to keep himself as well as possible especially amongst pretty hard core schedule. I highly encourage you to check out his book. I've seen the end of you. I just gave it as a Christmas. The presence of my business partner But you can get wherever you get books pre-ordered it comes out actually on January seven two thousand and nineteen. You can also check. Got The doctor. Leigh Warren podcast and find his website. W Lee Warren M D dot Com. So Bring you Dr Warren and his habits right after I share. There's some great products and services with you. Well you're about to hear his marketing. You won't see it in hotels. guestroom is marketing. Will you will see a room designed to maximize excellent space and a desk devoid of clutter. That's actually meant to be used. And that's precisely how it should be. AC hotels perfectly precise hotel is your health. Your your fault well. Maybe not all of it but friends here this you want it to be your fault or better said you want to believe there are some causes for your health or lack thereof that you can absolutely addressing in control. Well this is the message of true life show episode. Sixteen my new podcast with Dr Randy. James go find and subscribe to the true life. Show and get your body cooperating so you can achieve all you desire and your life again. It's not about being healthy. It's simply about being able bodied and minded the true life. Show all right Lou. I'm eager to walk through these seven spokes of your habits and I actually. I'll I'll steal your thunder on on a couple of them. Because I know from reading the Book Your Morning Habit is pretty tremendous of when you get up and I know that's a lot of when your book writing happened and whatnot but awesome. You gotTa go through some of these. Because I've gotten a little taste of well the first one we start off with is just the physical nutrition. What are the things that you're doing habits wise wise for yourself in those areas and matter of fact I looked I think it was facebook or something and I saw gosh something? Were you a new exercise thing that you're involved in or something like that. Yeah tell about it. So it's funny my I didn't come from a family of athletes or you know we were math leads. Maybe but I was sort of a couch potato type Most of my life growing up And of course years of school residency and all that I was never really into fitness or any of those things and then When I married Lisa she was a real athlete? Like a great swimmer. In gymnast and all those things runner runner and she kind of convinced me that I needed to Kinda turn my physical life around and and we both got in pretty good shape but then after Mitch died I really quit. I quit I worked a cheetos and did it all the wrong stuff. And and then we moved to Wyoming in two thousand fifteen and I got really really busy again and Again about thirty pounds between two thousand thirteen in in the middle of this year two thousand nineteen and lease and I both kind of gotten out of the kind of shape that we wanted to be in in April of two thousand nineteen. We just both said it's Tom did I. It's just time to get back on our feet eaten and really get all the things of our lives moving in the right direction again. We bought a Peleton treadmill and subsequently Peleton bike and just connected acted with that community. And I'm not a endorser Peleton but they have created something that for me was the thing that can get me on the treadmill at five. Am every day or get me on the bike. Rede- Eh in both of us have gotten back in shape of lost about twenty five pounds since April while. I'm running again every day in writing and it's just it's just kinda restored my mental and physical connection to my body and feel good about myself again and it's been a real a real great thing in a really credit Peleton John for creating that community made me want to get back out there and they they have done a great job with community and they've knocked on the door of advertise on the show. I really like to do that because I'm a fan and the I've seen what they've done. What about on the nutrition side so Lisa professionally. Before she ran our practice. This was a had a dual careers interior designer in chef and so she's really into fitness and nutrition and she sees well and cooks well for our family and and so oh she has taught me to put down the Cheetos and you know I stopped drinking soft drinks about ten years ago and Now pretty much drink. Water the coffee in the morning and just water most of the time and really careful about The things that we put into our bodies and I still have a desire to go towards the savory or the Saltier the gravy and that sort of thing but she's taught me to all things in moderation in reasonable quantities. And all that kind of stuff and so that nutrition side As far as the food that I eat of grown a lot because of my association with her and then we understood that you as you age especially do need supplements and vitamins and and And so I've tried to think about The idea that our body is really a gift to us from our Creator and I need to honor guide I'm trying to make that as good as I can make it. That's well well said second spoke here. Family and friends really just relationships those close close relationships in your life one of the things. You're doing to keep those where you want them. So our kids are all grown. We're leaving tomorrow to go down to Auburn Alabama Alabama where our youngest daughter Kaylin is graduating from Auburn University. So warragul mother sorry Bama fans they are But if you know we've been we've been putting kids through college for the last thirteen years and she'll be the last one to graduate go through that with nine of so She's going to Grad School and she got a scholarship. So we're done paying tuition after after tomorrow but so family has it evolves it changes when your kids are out of the house and it becomes almost almost harder in a way you have to be more purposeful about the phone calls and emails and spending any time together and connecting on holidays and and now we have we have A son who lives here in Casper release getting married and moving back to San Antonio and March and then we have a daughter the son-in-law and two grandkids in San Antonio and then we have a daughter and son-in-law in a six month old grandson in North Carolina in Kaelin in Alabama muscle. We're really spread out. And it takes a lot of intention analogy to put your family in the same place at the same time. And so we're starting traditions where we do that where we have a beach trip every year. And we're going to connect the holidays every year and just we're really focusing in a different way Once you have grandkids like you like you know A whole new ballgame like you know it's Comedian that said grandkids Reward for not killing your own kids when they were growing up like it creates another layer of your ability to pass on your story and your values and your faith to another generation working real hard to try to create opportunities to do that Beautiful mental is the next one Lee. Just that mental spoke to keep your mental edge acuity sharpness. What are you doing there? I think reading is one of the biggest things that I do to stay sharp. I think exposing yourself to other people's ideas and thoughts So Lisa for several years now had a discipline of reading trying to read a book every week and this is probably the fourth or fifth year in a row that we've done that Almost every single week have read a book from Front to back and many times using audio books too But I think reading for me is one of those key things that keeps me sharp And then just exposing myself to a great ideas that other people have whether it's through friendships are mentors or or Reading or through other relationships just finding finding ideas to think about to try to challenge myself to look at a problem for more than one way now financial financial spokane that I know you as a business John or have a lot. That's happening there and then your personal finances. So what are the some of the things that you've done. Maybe still do to keep you financially where you WANNA go. No one is to get your kids off of college tuition so dry save money get out of the funding equal phase. And I think the one thing I would encourage people is You're never too young long to be an investor Every every dollar that you that you earn in your lifetime You need to understand the difference between income and wealth right so no matter how much you earn. That's not your wealth that your income and and wealth comes from saving and investing dollars over a long period of time and so the most important lesson I think that that we learned in pursuit of growing a practice and during that whole thing that most doctors do was bang things and acquiring a lot of stuff isn't wealth and it doesn't create freedom it creates slavery so if you're pursuing the acquisition of things so that you can appear to have achieved a certain status in your life airs an end to that that's not good because your ability to generate that kind of income income will taper overtime or something will happen and you'll be exposed to yourself as a person who has not been wise with your finances if you're not careful so at some point I realized that investing and saving pay myself first after after paying the lower back for what he's done was far more important than anything. I could purchase and we made a decision Lisa several years ago that we cared more about experiences than possessions and so we start with sought out said a spending money on buying something something we we would spend time creating an experience for our family for a relationship. That would be a memory that we would have forever. That wouldn't as she said you know corrode corrode rust and crumble. And so those are things that matter to me financially. My my kids have attested to that so strong at us. They'd rather have an experienced. Do something something then have the next. Whatever I'm so grateful for that fifth spoke Lee is spiritual which obviously this is the lead for you I know Oh but tell us what some of the daily habits that you put in place to keep you where you wanna be so I think God gives us a lot of examples in the Bible? He cares about I he cares about about being the first thing you think about so tried to discipline myself in. It's really become important to me for my mental health to to spend the first few minutes of my day everyday with with him and so the first thing I do when I get up as a poor cup of coffee I sit down on my desk. I I put headphones on in the worship playlist and a place in worship music in read the Bible every morning in the first email send every morning is to Lisa a call it lea mail email and talk a little bit about what I've read in the word that morning. She's still sleeping and something I want her to gain out of what I've spent Doing that morning and I find that if there's a day when I get called into the ER or not balanced budget in my time. Well enough gotTa do some other kind of work worked I that I really feel poorer and unprepared for the day. If I don't have that time to get my spirit right. I and so so worship music in Ballerini reading prayer temp I thirty forty five minutes of every day I think is has paid me more dividends than I've ever paid back into that you know my I just went on a week vacation location. My business partner Randy just went on a two week vacation. Both of us came back and sharing about the time. We both admitted that we did not take our usual morning. Time with God during that vacation time kids were up as you know. Different things were different schedule. We didn't do that. And how we both felt a little bit unattached because of that and both vowed next time we go. We will plant that into our vacation in time because we were just just just weren't centered. said that was the word we can't we just felt the lack of being centered as normal and on your morning routine eighteen though just because it was a curious thing I mean you talked in the book that it was your. What's your normal wakeup time? Am That's an early wake-up time. Yeah every day that's significant that on the on the health side. I was GONNA say that. When did that start and why three so? It really started when I when I decided that I had to write a book. The with no place to hide It it started with is if I'm GONNA do this and learn how to write and write this book. I have to have my spiritual time which is about forty five minutes to an hour and I've got to have my time with my family family before I go to work and then my work demands that I'd be there at a certain specified time. So if I'm GONNA do that thing I've gotta get up an hour earlier than I normally did was always around foreshadow because it's the way schedule works had to be at the hospital of six or so so I said if I'm going to write this book I got up at three and so I would spend that first I our with my spiritual development and then right for an hour before I started my family would usually be out by the NFL. Let's start the normal day so the thing they say about entrepreneurs inertia entrepreneurs are people who are willing to do things that other people won't do so they can live like other people can't live right in that so if you're going to have a full-time practice in work one hundred hours a week is a neurosurgeon but you also want to learn how to write books. You gotta get up in arms. Yeah what time are you going to take it out. You'RE GONNA take it from somewhere different family or from early morning hours. What's beds right? So that's what's bedtime for. You then usually eight thirty nine o'clock and I'm blessed to because to stay up late either show. You are listening to the Ziglar Show and our habits episode with Dr Lee Warren Next. I asked him about his career and he shares about his dual work as surgeon and writer and views his career as being about saving lives with his hands and learning lessons from those people so he can write about about it and help others. 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It seems like you've had a pretty. Your career seems like it's been pretty consistent along the way so not I view myself as sort of having to careers Somebody asked me One of the interviews. I did for the book. That'll be coming out in in one of Christian magazines. was you consider yourself a surgeon who writes a writer who operates right in. There's not I don't have a good answer for that because the way I see it it is. My career is about saving lives and improving the quality of lives in relieving pain restoring function to people people with my hands and then learning lessons from those people that I can write about to help other just developed. This idea that I can help do about about four hundred surgeries a year. Probably seven or eight or nine thousand people a year my office and that's a pretty big number but if I look at there's have remained billion Leeann people in the world if I want to maximize my impact and spread the gifts. That God's given me as far as I can. I have to reach more people than I can touch with my hands and surrounding me gives me the opportunity or Kennedy in podcasting blogging. All those things. It gives me the opportunity to to take the lessons. I've learned in this amazing career. Guys giving me in apply them to a larger RUPA people. I really appreciate you saying that you take what you do with your hands. That common prayer. God please bless the work of my hands and then taking that and writing to help people were you know we mentioned. I think it was the first show of mentioned. Mark Patterson and talked about the same thing that he thought of himself as pastor author and now that's flipped and he really thinks of it is author pastor as well just to what you said. Well the last spoke is personal personal and this is the thing I've generally said ask. These are the things that you do just for you. The fund the play but also putting in I've started to is self care the things that you do Just for you for instance. Now assume it's it's you plan. I see the keyboard behind you but even the hobbies and what is the keyboard player. Oh that's right that's right. I see those back. Okay I got a bunch of. I'm a tar player. Yes so it is important to both. We actually met On the worship team at Church she was a singer and playing singing and playing keys guitar player singer. So that's always been a way that I get therapy. His is through music music and being in Wyoming. We like to hike and drive around and see the amazing things that God created here and And I I like to play Outside we like water and we like mountains and those sorts of things and now I've learned that I really do like to run and I like to ride ride bikes and and And so learn to Try to carve out some balance. My Dad started busting my chops a few years ago when he realized she had had the same problem with work life balance and he'd seen that in me and he passed that work ethic onto me. The you know I will work harder than you will. I'm not saying you that my thing has always been a might not be as big as you are strong as you are as fast as you but if we get on a treadmill at the same time I'll go till you drop dead. I'm not gonNA quit before you do random work harder than you do in in thought that was valuable thing and it is in some ways. It isn't a career format but it's also when God says creator of things and expects us to take that seventh day to recreate ourselves right so that I think there's a there's a spiritual discipline of learning to to recreate yourself through play and downtime and creativity and other things and at fifty years old and finally getting eh reset. Somebody just brought to me. Recently that take the time to reset and be able to come back full of thank you for taking us behind the scenes and and just sharing. What's happening that helps you really interesting to hear? You say that about being an entrepreneur and writing if you're gonna add those things and we've gotta make time where's IT GONNA come from because so so many people listening including myself always dealing with that. Thanks again for taking your time with us. Lee absolutely appreciate being on your show. Thanks were there. You have it folks inspired sharing from Dr Lee Warren again. A highly encourage you. Check out his book. I've seen the end of you coming up of an episode. Seven forty six. What does your faith do for you? Does it make any real difference. I mean the headline itself is rife with controversy but I think to any sane person. It's a fully legitimate question. We've all ponder to some degree and experience. It's one thing to have a belief it's another thing to expect. Expect that believe were experience it to change some of the really hard circumstances in our life or to help us achieve something that we want. This show is going to acutely really dig up this subject and realize circumstances as I do every week I posted a question on facebook and you can join me for these weekly discussions and helped me by sharing your personal experiences. The opinions just find and friend me at Agent K.. As in Kevin Miller Agent K Miller this week I asked this question. Everyone has experienced at some level of trauma in their life amidst it. How much did your personal faith tangibly help if it did at all? Oh my goodness so many intimate responses so so I had Dr Lee Warren. Join me to talk through The comments again obviously from from this show. He's a wealth of information mation of having dealt with this so again intimately for so long with so many people Folks till then thank you as always for letting emme walk with you as we inspire true performance together
Disruptions Are Catalysts: 4 Laws of Follow-up with Dr. Lee Davenport
"Learn how? Old. Danny Ramsay here with my out. I am so excited. We've got Dr Louis in the House today and yet and she's from hot Atlanta, and now if you don't know who she is, she's been recognized by Inman News and numerous other real estate organizations as one of the top twenty five coaches in the real estate industry Dr Lee. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having me. It's always good to see me. I've been quarantined. Just away from everyone for so long simple, we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get you in front of a lot of people because we're going to send this out to everybody, and if you're listening today, we're going to do the top four laws from Dr Lee in follow up and what I'm excited about right now is everybody's trying and make this kind of crazy transformation from brick and mortar to everybody's on digital. Right the virtual right now, so we got an expert today. Dr Lead share everything that she's learned over the. How many years have you been doing this? I will say my whole life because I'm saying generation up here, so my whole life your whole. Doctor in the house. Okay well, let's let's start, and which is your story? Who Are you? How long have you been doing this? I always like to introduce the guests, so the audience knows why they should pay attention, so let me give you I'm going to give you a short condensed version of just how I got to being a trainer enclosed a little longer. Longer seniors go back when the recession going strong like I said I grew up in the real estate family and I moved here a little bit before the recession moved to Atlanta from Michigan Thinking Hey I'll go ahead and get started. My parents said apartment buildings and community somewhere there can be that it. Let our started getting. Your things weren't going well until. A two thousand seven twelve birds, he'd be exact stock market crashes now at that point I was much twenties my. Nobody else's my young years so young me said. We all know. Eh, got really really bad so bad that I would say ninety five percent of the buildings I had executives I was flipping out was fine voting ninety five of them lost their jobs and for me. Heartless inches kick people Lau because. I said Okay I got. I got to figure out something else to do so young dummy said what am I. Get my real estate sales license and sell real estate, even though the market is crashing because a real estate, so give license time brokers trainers managers. We said Hey, you gotta do the traditional thing door. Not Cocoa wasn't working for me. Got One at the time of little unknown thing. Okay I remember someone saying face for this is how we go was unique eating. My space books for teenagers. It's going nowhere and it's like. Are we all laughing at that now? Yes, we are so new I went with. My Gut didn't listen a gone facebook. My business took off to so much so that by the end of two thousand and eight ahead to build a team I couldn't keep up with all the business. Business I couldn't keep up with Ottawa what we're going to talk about, but from the brokers have come in and do trainings, and then their best forward twelve years later I've been training now across the world, and it's been amazing so technology social media and Bala are my favorite thing is it's bad and I'm excited to do it today. Yeah, so so technology a innovation and follow up. Those are your three favorite things absolutely. Brush I love it, so let's talk about disruption real quick, and then let's talk about technology a little bit the innovation side, and then we'll jump into the four laws of follow up by Dr Lee and hopefully add value what what's going on in the innovation space right now. So, with I'm sure a lot of industries, everybody seeing more use of video we saw this before now record pandemic, and as a result it well, even women video one of the things in the real estate industry, which may or may not be happening in other industries but disruption. People were trying to say hey. We don't WanNa keep paying for your service. I cut you out, and that happens in a lot of industries right? We're it, can you? What you provide can be threatened, so we were seeing that at an all time high, and it was because of video different things where people felt like. Hey, we've got these platforms where we can do a virtual tour. We don't really need you to open the door for us. Since the pandemic is that and this is what we is in our profession. We already knew this is probably the most businesses, even though you may have different technology tools which are great, and they're helpful. You still ultimately need someone to explain process. Who Does this every day? You don't do this every day. Who wants to spend two months trying to learn everything like it's going to be your new career when it's not, you're just trying to do one transaction so road. We've seen all of that just kind of come. Full? In that the very thing that was disrupting us as now been a catalyst for us to get more heap on and work with me, so much has changed. I just read an article about a mall a major. International Mall Opening Drive through movie theaters so like there's going to be one hundred Twenty Five brand-new drive-thru movie theaters and Kobe has really changed everything pandemic changed everything. What are you seeing in the technology space? What are you seeing happening? What's innovative? What's going on in that space? That's kind of interesting. You know the best thing that I'm seeing is that we are embracing? Mentioning video, but that's been the piece for so many heat wants so many businesses where people have been slow to adopted. We've seen people like I think. He's eight years old. eight-year-old on Youtube made last year like twenty million dollars. We've seen that it's been around for a long time, but many people in business had been slow to embrace it absolutely, so we haven't really reap the rewards that. That come from embracing video more so anyway now. That's what I'm saying. I've seen people that have been very timid about using video. Because now we're all doing the zooming more. We're doing so much more with video. People are racing it and it's now becoming a part of marketing that is really again. The catalyst for increased business even at a point where we're really in a recession who? Were experiencing business grow? What's crazy? as you're as you're talking about that? I mean. Our whole company has transitioned to virtual. We've been virtual for thirteen years. Video has been a big part of what we done in. This interview is video. This is GonNa go in Youtube everywhere and yet when I see other entrepreneurs. They're like. I don't know if I want to be on camera I don't know if i WanNa talk about what I do, and so there's definitely some opportunities for people who want to be innovative and really pushed the boundaries of digital marketing today. And just so thankful that because now we are using this to even just we communicate with loved ones. Getting more and more comfortable with video, hoping that what we're going to seekonk from this is again business growth for so many people that hadn't experienced before. Let's cool all right well. Let's dive into our main topic, which is the four laws of follow up by Dr Lee? So I'm excited because I'm a sales guy and we're consistently getting questions from clients. How do I build up a follow up team? How do I get is as the prospect for me? How do I? I make it can I just buy some phone numbers and put them in a Sierra, and then call and I'm like no, you've got to build a system, so let's let's dive in. What is the system? Look like according to Dr we to four company to really grow through a follow up process great I love it and I really do think these four laws are universal. I call them evergreen so again. I sneak outside the pandemic in the pandemic. They were in the. From Industry to industry so the number one law and these are not in were of priority because offering for discipline numbers next, so the first one is to make sure everything you're communicating is an item of value and what that item value does. It says per people to consumers to prospects. This is the trust trust fashionable in this industry in this topic so? And I were talking about this briefly earlier. How? Seen people who again for example may be a real estate sales agent, but they're always sharing recipes on how to Bay Banana bread which is. Great, if you WANNA have a cookbook, but not so great, if you're trying to position yourself as an expert in another industry right right so having an item of value every single connection, so even if you're doing a text message or a five minute phone call having something that you can offer them, it could be a link. It could be video. It could be download. It could be an. Having an about is so crypto. How many items of value would you say that one company ought to have good point so again because I really believe, it needs to be every single contact. Really truthfully this the party people feel like Oh. This is our. Honestly Mail. You have one. Value, but making this one item of value in you re purpose it until it is just it's almost think picture car. The wheels are falling off, but that's okay. You'll be one thing whether again. One video or it could be a e-book you had. It could be article article something, but the point is. You can pull snippets excerpts from it right. You don't have the data dump single time. We're just out small chunks every. Every single time had to make people saying this is what I say about. An item of value is truly an item value. If they say to you, tell me more about your business. Tell me more. That's how you know. It was an idol. That's how it piqued their interest. If people are not saying, tell me more if you have crickets when you send out an email blast, then you know that wasn't Suri in idol. so the feedback loop in that step one is so important your potential clients and the people that you're contacting need to say thanks. This is cool, or this is awesome, or it has to be something that people actually want I'm being like. Stats are probably good like what's going on in your industry or profession or service. What other kind of item let's give. Let's give the audience some examples. Okay, so here's what I believe mentioned. Automation and I don't like your. Via like the laws of follow, I do not lie. Pick spending a lot of hours on one thing so instead you racking more. Brow about what would be an item value I've got some resources. I use my favorite resources called. Answer the public dot com in. Of course, it yeah. Union's E N, whatever you are site or use your service product and see what are people searching for on Google. What are they asking about this particular service? Good audit now the guesswork you know exactly now what are so is value, you can deliver based opera, these questions, and these these answers, what what a cool thing I would also suggest using answer the public to create video to create your blogs to get your emails all set up and so yeah. I think item value based on. That is a really good. Doctor Lee. That's pure gold. Okay, step number two, so step number two is to now automates so going back to bed that we talked about. Hey, you might. You might have a lot of content, or you might only have one thing is you're GonNa? Break up into segments. But regardless how are you going to get this out in a way? Where again you don't go crazy, because have to manually send. Emails or videos or mailings or go door knocking law these things that you can do to grow your business, but if you have to do it manually I, dear say you might go crazy. You know so I really. The next step is to automate everything you can't. We can't automate relationships. We know that right. There's a lot in a relationship process that we can automate so we can automate text messages. We can automate of course emails. obligated. It's gotta be an bags. People actually open it. Read it. Made your social media, we can make on our website. We can automate in the video content. We're going to provide so there is nothing in two thousand twenty bank bully that we do market that can't be automated at least a piece of it. Let's pretend I'm medium at at business like I'm that half a million to a million dollar range where mo ninety six percent of all businesses or in that below a million dollar range I've. I've never really automated much. What are the things that you believe would be step one two and three of automation, so I would say I guess for me. I always liked to have people get a few things. I like the look at number one. What are your strengths I? Know a lot of us define things that we do will, and that's not true. Shrimp said things that not only we do. Well, we enjoy so. Identified that in this process marketing process once you identify that you know you shouldn't automate that usually goes because the thing that she blew the best. The thing that people are like. Wow I really want to work with you. You don't. You don't automate because that's what drives revenue. That's what drives revenue typically absolutely, so we keep that, but now who got several other things where we may say hey, I don't get it doing this. I don't mind doing it. Let's get it off your. Also leads into law three combined three in lots where some things we're going to need to automate and other things will need to give away and I'm GonNa. Give you a shameless plug here. No! Delegation by favorite term. Yes, okay, you gotta give it away and you have such great company to help with that so when people have things on their plate that they can do, but it's a core use of time and. Energy, they wake up. I can't believe. I gotTa do that to get rid of. Those would be the things that I would want people to identify. What are you good at? What are you good at any like? And then what are the things that don't do well? You don't have time to learn or you just don't like doing because those are the things you need to get off your plate. They'll. Evaluate I. Love to three combining. Because there's this process you know, go in there kind of revolutionized the process meaning. You're optimizing that process then you're trying to automate as much as you can. In that process, then you delegate it to someone else, and if you follow those three steps typically, you can hire a virtual assistant. You can get leverage in your life and focus on the things that grow your business, and that you really love and enjoy. That's my whole world. I love this. Okay what step for? I love it. Of course after you have given things away. You've got this really well oil process. There is some things for you still do. So, now last night is I want you to be a time block blogger, and what I mean by. That is I. Want shoot to pretend the time you'd set aside to work in a in a relentless ruthless way, because many of us that we don't know how to use a planner. It's not that we don't use Google calendar. It. We know how to schedule our day, but it's in Russians. Drag us away from what we needed to get done or the buyers, right we end up focusing on or being reactive ED versus actually being proactive in going after. Business, so I'm want year ruthlessly guarded time. We've set aside to work land your. Piece so so let's talk about that because I've seen some of the best business entrepreneurs like in that up and down rollercoaster of revenue where they get a lot of business than they're busy, then they're not following up or prospecting or driving more revenue right, and so now all of a sudden they have no revenue and they're scrambling. We call it the revenue rollercoaster, right. So how do you help? Help somebody understand that they're in that and that it's something that's in their control because that's the challenge that we've had. Is You know people come in I? Just don't have time to train a new virtual assistant and we're like well, but do you like being on that roller coaster and they're like yeah I love it and I'm like. Are you sure? Are you sure you know? Are you sure? So, how do you help somebody through that mindset? So and this is the coaching fees. Get into. How oftentimes like you see it because we've been doing it for so long? We don't think it's normal. We almost say I don't have an option. The only way can be done so this is where going back to where we start with. Disruption has to come into play and I liked saliva. Times give examples of people in the industry doing it. Not doing it in a way where there on that rollercoaster coaster. Roller Coaster sidelight for people to one-seat seated. There are other options because. We. Don't know on trying to disrupt the thinking. Disrupt at thinking, then I like to ask people to identify. What would it look like if you could get these pieces off your plate like you said if you feel like I, don't have time training this ascent. But what would it look like in the long run so not just next week, but a year from now. What would this really like? How much time would it really ultimately save you? Quantify the time the Energy Committee the additional income will now mate when we can quantify those states I feel like that gives people alive at the end of the tunnel so okay, yes, the next week two weeks three weeks made even the next month. Sure can't Pam because we're trying to get a new system going, but it's worth it once. We have quantified these numbers and we can see in the long run. I won't even say long run in the mid run where just three months out? Once and you will have a breakthrough so quantification is a big deal for me. I did I make them aware. But I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. I see Dr in your name so I just assume you're smarter than everybody else. That's listening including myself right here. So this has been great, rattled off the four laws one more time for the audience, and then we're going to jump into how you coach people what you do, and how somebody might actually get a hold of you. Is that cool share? Long one is to have an about that. You give every single time. You connect people to the point where they say tell me more. Tell me more. That was an item about them. Number to automate everything you can nine relationships, but a lot of little paperwork and the little administrative things they need to be off your plate, which goes into lot number three. Give it away. Your inefficiencies and for many of us, that absolutely means virtual assistance, because that gives us an opportunity to not be responsible for someone's forty hour a week, livelihood and amid albums things. Work Law is be a time block blocker continue. This time to do follow. Bego Dr, Lee. Davenport much for being here. If our audience wanted to get a hold of you, find you stock you. Maybe hire you. How would they do that? So for me? Everything is just my handle. Learn with D., R. Lee the website. Mom would dearly though in dot com at the end of it, but you can find on Instagram facebook. You'd see into tap dancing. We're. Dancing on Tiktok you're dancing on. My whole office and break. It's crazy, but. I, love it all right. Well Dr Lee. Thanks for joining us today at my autists. We created this show so that people who actually need real strategies had a place to go, and you've obviously added to that so I just WanNa. Thank you and thank the audience for listening today. My name is Daniel, Ramsey, the CEO and founder of my desk. We help companies save money, time and scale their business. Thanks for joining us. Today Dr Lee.
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How To Fight The Opioid Crisis In The Middle Of A Pandemic
"This is one a. I'm jen white. In washington. we saw a staggering number of deaths from covert nineteen twenty twenty but it wasn't the only public health crisis that claimed many of our loved ones for may twenty nineteen to may twenty twenty eighty. One thousand people died of a drug overdose in the us. According to the cdc that's the highest number of overdose deaths recorded in a twelve month period and the main cause was synthetic opioids. Today we're checking in on the opioid epidemic and the effort to finally end the decades long crisis. But first we want to focus on a landmark case concerning one doctor working out of a clinic in queens new york joining us now is charlotte bismuth. She's a former prosecutor and the author of bad medicine. Catching new york's deadliest pill pusher charlotte. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me your book centers on the case of doctor stan lee. He became the first doctor in the state of new york to be charged and convicted of manslaughter after the overdose deaths of his patients. Tell us about dr leeann. His practice dr lee was a very well respected doctor. Who had a fulltime job in a new jersey teaching hospital as an anesthesiologist. The problem was that on the weekend. He ran a clinic where he didn't give appointments to his patients. He handed out numbered tickets. It was first come first serve. He only took cash over the course of approximately two and a half years. He sold more than twenty one. Thousand controlled substance prescriptions from that clinic. Mostly oxycodone zanex and unfortunately that translated into sixteen overdose deaths that we were able to uncover and more than four hundred fifty thousand dollars in cash. So the book is the story Of our team Not just attorneys and experts but the brave witnesses the complainant who helped us bring dr leader justice and it's really a story about the greed and the pain that we're still seeing today and on the flip side of the book of Dr lee's story we were able to some measure of closure to the families who were affected by him. But the you know the dark side of that story is that. When i think about dr li i think about all the families who now because of fennel as you mentioned really have such little chance at any justice or any answers will according to reports as you said dr li salver hundred patients a day. Who who were these patients in. What were the range of reasons. They were going to him for prescription painkillers. They were new yorkers. they were long islanders. They were from new jersey. We traced a remarkable distance. That patients were traveling to see him and his clinic actually had started out as a hub for elderly patients from the local flushing neighborhood. Who were seeing. Dr lee for age related chronic pain. Issues he treated that pain appropriately. The problem was that from the beginning. There was agreed motive and specifically he was defrauding insurance around two thousand seven patients began coming to see him who were seeking drugs by name. They wanted oxycontin. They wanted You know So my they came later but they they wanted. Xanax and dr lee seemed to have realized very quickly that that was a big money maker. So you know. Even through the year that we shut down his clinic there were still patients coming to him. Who had real legitimate significant chronic pain issues including the brave young man who called it into the police. The problem was that. Dr li simply didn't care about that. He cared about his bottom line. Which was the cash. I also wanna shoot the number for the samson national helpline. That's the substance abuse and mental health association. It's confidential it's free and available twenty four seven so if you or someone you know is facing a substance use disorder. You can call one eight hundred six six to help. That's one eight hundred sixty six two four three five seven now. One of the most striking things about this case is how dr li was able to abuse public trust because he was a physician. How much of a barrier was his status in prosecuting. This case that is such a good It was a huge barrier in having his misconduct. Come to light. As one of the witnesses from an insurance company told us and told the jury at trial. The system is based on trust but that trust applies to physicians so he was able to cover up his crimes for a very long time and when the came came case came to us. You know the tip was that there was a doctor prescribing medications to kids. Who didn't need them. And of course. That's what doctors do. They prescribed medication and whether or not somebody needs. It is not a question to be answered by a prosecutor that should be up to the professional oversight agencies the problem of course as we later uncovered and as now even you know senate committees have uncovered. Is that there was such a tremendous flow of money from big pharma down to those state oversight boards. That doctors like dr. Li were you know went unnoticed and really unpunished for way too long. You were working in the new york city office of the special narcotics prosecutor in nfl time. What was the state of the opioid crisis. In how did the public see it. My boss the special narcotics prosecutor. Brigitte brennan had been noticing a significant inflow of pill related cases in our office. And it was a huge concern. You know the the the the prescription pills the doctors who were over prescribing. We quickly new. Thanks in part to our work with dr kalani that that was the source of this new scourge. What was different was the power of the addiction and the difficulty in tracing it back because of course when you have pills out on the street. It's very difficult to find where they came from when you have deaths unless there's a pill bottle president. It's very difficult to trace them back so our office really began dedicating to try to work these new cases and it required a very different approach. It also required something which you know comes Fortunately quite easily to bridget and to the prosecutors in our office which is busting stereotypes. We were we were determined to hold everybody equally before the law and if we found out that it was a doctor pushing prescriptions. Well you know We were going to go after him or her with the full extent of our prosecutorial resources but she testified a number of times before the city council to ask for more resources we built a specialized unit. We developed new techniques developed an overdose alert system in partnership with the medical examiner's office We started tracking prescriptions. There was a lot more data analysis involved in these cases than another cases. And of course there's always that tension between substance use disorder as a reason to be involved in prescription drug related transactions and a clear and provable. Greed motive now. Our office focused on those cases. We focused on the high level. The doctors the organizations that were exploiting the pain of others. Purely for the sake of making money charlotte. Can you tell us a bit about some of the families. You interacted with issue prosecuting. This case of course. There were a number of families who had been struggling with guilt with dan. Schneider the pharmacists calls question. Mark pain so the pain of not knowing what happened why it happened Who had been waiting for an explanation as to why their loved ones death had simply been classified as an accident and when we went out to find them they were shocked to hear that the source of the fatal Substances has been had. Been dr margaret rap. Hold who's twenty one year. Old son nicholas died alone in his car. One night within two days of having seen dr li was both devastated at the thought that a physician had taken her daughter away from from her and determined to be clear that she knew her son as she said hadn't been an angel but it shouldn't matter she said and we agreed because the doctor had abused the trust of not just his patient but of society. Kristen hague whose brother joseph hague died at the age of thirty seven had tried for so long to get him help and in fact a few days before he died she recorded a video of him. One night trying to eat a pizza and the reason why she did it was to show him how he looked but she never got a chance to do that. We'll be back with more in a moment support for npr in the following message. Come from better help. Offering online counseling. Better help therapist. Hassoo joe knows that lockdown has been hard on us as humans we as people are hardwired to connect with others which is why this whole time so difficult the connection that happens between people and be very powerful and how healing it can be to have a healthy relationship with someone to get matched with a counselor within forty eight hours and save ten percent. Go to better help dot com slash one a we are still in the middle of this pandemic and right now. Having science news you can trust from variants vaccines is essential. Npr shortwave has your back about ten minutes every weekday. Listen and subscribe to shortwave the daily science podcast from npr. Now let's get back to our conversation about the opioid epidemic joining us. Now is aaron markevic. She was one of the trial. Witnesses in the case against dr lee aaron. Thanks for being here for having me. So i understand. Your appearance. were patients of dr lease. And you lost both of them to eight overdoses. Can you tell us more about your story. yeah I grew up in new york. My mom was a nurse. dad was But they divorced. When i was young and i found out when i was early teenager that my father was a drug addict. Growing up my whole life But he was always around he was always in my life always. He took me to school some days and the biggest thing was when he would. We called it messed up when he would go and do Cracker whatever he wanted to do he would go away You know he was never around me he never wanted. He was embarrassed. He it He just didn't like it and then he would come back and we could talk about it. why he did it and all these things and how addicted and then when he started becoming addicted to prescription pills on and going to these doctors especially dr li He didn't care anymore. He the only thing that mattered was pills pills pills and he essentially became mike. A heroin addict in front of me He didn't care about how he looked. Heating care how he talked to just nothing matter to him. Decides the pills and that was pretty much the scariest thing i think. The last two years of his life was the mo and he overdosed for the first time in my life that i've seen he overdosed about five times the fifth time being the last one And and i didn't even realize with my bomb until after she passed that she became addicted. You know she was very educated woman. She was a nurse. Single mom took care of me And so find out that she also became addicted and the biggest shock was that she was going to the doctor. Also and i wasn't allowed to talk about that during the trial was very Harking today When you when you try to would. Did you find that there were people or places you could reach out to for help or to identify dr li as being the person who were suppo- with this medication. No i know my parents at least my dad. Dr shops i didn't know until after My mom passed when the day she passed. And i told my dad He basically said to me. Like i have to go to the doctor. I don't have my medication. Ninety my antidepressants. And all he kept saying to me was like. I have to go to dr li. I have to go to dr. We saw mike. I didn't realize what he was doing. The i didn't realize until after he went and got xanax. And oxycontin from dr lead. That day that that's the only reason he wanted to go to him was to get these pills to make him not be. It's been ten years since you lost your parents. In your view. How much of things changed around the opioid crisis. Since then i haven't seen a big change. I know especially now with covert going on that A lot of people are passing away because of addiction pills. I i honestly haven't seen much change Maybe small amounts. I know there's also Cases going on with the purdue pharma shaq'll family and everything and they're not being held accountable the way they should be held accountable at all. I'm i'm i'm asking this because i'm genuinely i'm a i'm thinking of your story and i just wanna know how you're doing who's had a very good question I it's an okay. I have a wonderful daughter and one husband which my parents didn't get to see which hurts every day. But it's i'm okay. It's it's very hurtful. And i hate to see other families and millions and millions of people struggling with this. It hurts a lot charlotte understand. Dr lee died of covid nineteen in prison last april but the case continues to illustrate a lot about the opioid epidemic nationwide. What are some of those big takeaways for you. That is the case. And i think the one of the biggest takeaways is erin who i had the really. The honor to work with Came forward despite the unbelievable difficulty of telling her story in front of a courtroom full of strangers of undergoing cross examination. And you know we need people to come forward of course but we need there have to be people to receive that the system needs to be able to dig in to all of these tragedies and find a way to give families answers we have so many families who are struggling not knowing what happened not knowing what to do next and there's a big role i think for law enforcement in there I don't think the solution is arresting our way out of it or trying to prosecute all overdoses as homicides that is appropriate in cases. Like dr li where you have a knowledgeable person in a position of power who does not themselves have suffer from substance use disorder And in those cases we have to hold them accountable and we have to go up the chain to the pharmaceutical companies who wrote the playbook to the drug distributors to the owners of the companies as erin mentioned the members of the sackler family and that i think is a response that law enforcement can handle. They can do it in partnership with the medical community. There are also local. Innovations like opioid fatality review boards where local medical boards social services prosecutors. Come together and they look at a few fatalities every semester. Every quarter and try to determine what are the gaps that they can fill so it's really a grassroots to national effort to make the legal process visible to make it accessible to victims to make it comprehensible and to hold those who started this. And who are perpetuating an accountable. Aaron for people whose lives have not been touched by this epidemic. What is the thing you think. People don't understand that they need to understand but say It's always that that statement that you never understand it until it happens to you I think the biggest thing is don't judge. Don't judge a book by its cover. Don't just assume because someone's drug added that they can become addicted to pain killers and become a different type of person. Just because someone in citizen doesn't mean they can't fall prey to it. It's hard to someone who has an experienced it. it's very hard to explain it to somebody But they just need to be open minded and understand that this has affected millions and millions of people families And it's not just the average person you would think that you know just a regular drug addict who becomes addicted aaron. Thank you for speaking with us. Thank you very much. I want to zoom out from new york. City and talk about the opioid epidemic. Nationwide joining us. Now is dr andrew kalani. He's the medical director of opioid policy. Research at brandeis university. he's also the co founder of the group physicians for responsible opioid prescribing doctor. Kalani welcome back to the program. Thanks for having me. Also with us as emily walden. She's the cheer of fed up. That's an organization fighting to end the opioid epidemic. Emily welcome to the program. Thank you so dr kalani. We mentioned at the beginning of the show that eighty one thousand people died of drug overdose between may two thousand nine hundred and may twenty twenty in large part because of synthetic opioids that's highest number of overdose deaths ever recorded in a twelve month period. What's going on here well. The vast majority of individuals who are dying of of opioid overdoses suffering from opioid addiction. You know. I think that the general public And even sometimes policymakers are under the impression that people dying of opioid overdoses or people who were looking to get high looking to abuse drugs because it's fun and there really isn't the case as we've heard the vast majority of dr lee's patients were individual suffering from opioid addiction. And once you become addicted you you have to keep using opioids to avoid feeling really sick. It's not pleasure that's really driving at. It's the avoidance of the the pain of going into withdrawal that that drives the continued use. And so the vast majority of these people who are dying. Even of listed opioids developed their opioid addiction taking prescription opioids and they became addicted. Either taking prescription opioids because they like the effect or they became addicted taking prescription opioids for the treatment of pain. And so what's happening right now. Is that among individuals with opioid addiction. Because the illicit opium supply has become so dangerous with fennel deaths and people. with opiate addiction have been skyrocketing. Emily i understand you got involved in the fight to end the opioid crisis after the death of your son in two thousand twelve talk about your path to advocacy My son became addicted Through oxycontin and then to pana- a few years before his death and i started doing some research prior to his passing on why he was able to get these drugs so easily so i sorta started prior to him passing away and when he did pass away i was very angry at what happened and that he was able to get these drugs and i did not understand if they were so dangerous why they were so available to everyone and i ended up writing a letter just a few months after he passed away requesting a meeting in washington and went to washington dc for the first time in my life and i've been going every year sense and working hard to try to change things so that this doesn't continue to happen i Went to fed ups first rally in washington. Dc and in two thousand and nineteen became chair of fed up coalition. Well we asked you if you've been affected by the opioid crisis. And here's what what if you had to say. Yeah i'm forty years old. I wish i could stop using opioids but my receptors had been program to use them. And that's what i do and up thinking about other things like i begin. I oscar things that i can use to get office drum the horrible disease. Nobody knows how bad it is out there. We got you know people. You'd never assume that. Would be using using opioids and trying to get off meals are going about their lives changing their. Led's thinking about getting their solar rays going in the backyard. All that kind of stuff. Meanwhile the receptors are programmed in this way to use this drug every day. And it's horrible pete. Thanks for sharing that message. Dr kalani the face of this crisis is often Class or white men but they're really only a small portion of those affected. Can you give us a more complete picture. There isn't epidemiology to the opioid crisis. Meaning that we have distinct groups of opioid addicted americans and we have a young white group. That's been switching from prescription opioids to heroin a middle aged white group. That's mostly been dying. From from the prescription opioids and an older group. That's disproportionately black and latino Really survivors of the heroine epidemic of the nineteen seventies that bled into the eighties. There began with heroin and in the heroin using groups this older non white group and in the young or white group. That's that switched from prescription opioids to heroin Seen death soaring that those are the two groups that have really been affected by fence. And all we're talking about the opioid epidemic will hear more from you and our guests in a moment support for npr in the following message. Come from better help. Offering online counseling. Better help therapist. Hassoo joe knows that lockdown has been hard on us as humans we as people are hardwired to connect with others which is why this whole time is so difficult. The connection that happens between people and be very powerful and how healing it can be to have a healthy relationship with someone to get matched with a counselor within forty eight hours and save ten percent. Go to better help dot com slash one. a if. You're never quite sure how to answer the question. Why are you from. Npr's rough translation might be the podcast for you. Yes finally someone else. Give us your accents and your origin. Stories your cross cultural misfits yearning to just be and listen to rough translation on npr. Now let's get back to our conversation about the opioid epidemic. And once again. I want to share the number for samsa. The national helpline one more time. That's the substance abuse and mental health association. It's confidential free and available twenty four seven. You can call one eight hundred six six to help if you or someone you know is facing substance use disorder again that number one eight hundred six six two four three five seven dr kalani. You're talking about some of the demographics that are being affected by this epidemic. What do we know about how. Different groups use opioids for example injecting versus snorting. And in how well are we doing in responding to the different types of opioid. Use your there. That's a great question. There isn't a mixture of both injection us and snorting so back in the seventies During that heroin epidemic the heroine that was available Was cut so many times before it made its way on the street that about the only way someone would feel. The fact is through injection use but with the heroin that's available today or or certainly the illicit fennel that's available on the street Absolutely potent enough to be used through snorting and probably many of the deaths are from a snorting but there is quite a bit still of injection drug use and again. We're talking about these three groups of opium addicted. Americans young group that switches to the black market after using pills in an older non white group that that really has been using blackmar market opioids for for many years that that middle-age pain patient group though really hasn't been switching to to st opioids in large numbers. We got this tweet from elizabeth who says when the black community was being years ago. There was no such thing as harm reduction. In fact harmless deliberately increased by white society who saw all black attics as criminals. And i wonder if we focus on interventions like needle exchanges or lock zone distribution. What does that mean for communities where it's more common for substances to be snorted rather than injected. Well i do think that It's very important point. That was just made. I'm it is certainly true that during the two prior addiction epidemic the crack cocaine epidemic. That was in the late eighties early nineties in the heroine epidemic that i mentioned during those epidemics the message. We really got from policy. Makers was that we that we could arrest our way out of this that we needed a law enforcement response and and now that we have a new epidemic that in at least in terms of the increase in people getting addicted. That's been disproportionately white. We are seeing a very different response. From policymakers where hearing even from conservative politicians sometimes that you can't arrest your way out of this problem that we have to expand access to treatment and we've seen greater interest in in harm reduction approaches. I think it's really good that we're hearing this now. It's a shame that we didn't hear it previously. I want to get to another voicemail. Here's what david in anderson. Indiana told us by chauffeured. First aveer kidney stones and i had to have expensive procedures last year and i could not receive adequate pain medicine. Four my procedures and As a result the stress and the pain caused me to have a heart attack. And which i am now. Having to go through there are good uses for opioids and people that need them can no longer get some i. I was made to feel like a criminal. I was denied prescriptions. I was told to just live with it. We also got this tweet from julia. Who says one of the things that gets lost in this conversation are people with chronic pain. That is incurable responsible. Prescribing and uses stigmatized. Terribly dr kalani. You're the co founder of physicians for responsible opioid prescribing. What's your response to. To david and julia. How should prescribers weigh the pros and cons of opiates. Pain management is truly necessary. Yes so many people. Believe that opioids are our strongest and best pain medicines. Which actually isn't true in fact even for kidney stone pain which is excruciating There's there are studies that that non opioid pain. Medicines can work just as well if not better there. There's a narrative out there that that's being pushed in part by drug. Companies that make opioids to frame the problem as if pain patients are being penalized by efforts to keep the pills away from so-called drug abusers. And you see it framed over and over that way and you know. It's framed as if all of the harms are limited to so-called abusers and that paint patients are are helped by opioids and nothing could be further from the truth paint patients with pain. Have been disproportionately harmed by the prescribing opioids. Millions of become addicted and thousands have lost their their lives. It's not as if we have these two distinct groups. So i do feel that we can do a better job of of treating pain. But that doesn't mean that opioids or the answer. Leslie emailed my doctor prescribed percocet for me. I asked him if patients had difficulty. How did he get them off the drug. He said he had no training in that area. I think if it's a physician prescribing these drugs. They need to be able to get people off them without problems. Detrick lot ni. How how important is that piece of it. The doctor education side of this. It's it's huge. Millions of dollars were invested by opioid manufacturers like purdue pharma with its oxycontin or endo pharmaceuticals with opennow invested quite a bit in misinforming the medical community about opioids downplaying the risks especially the risk of addiction and exaggerating the benefits in among the misinformation. Was that. It's very easy for patients to come off. that The dependence that develops a few days of taking opioids is quote clinically unimportant. And that's just totally untrue. So it's extremely common for patients who have been prescribed opioids for surgery or for an injury to be given a one-month supply and without the prescriber ever letting the patient know that. When they stopped taking the opioids they're likely to experience very uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms which include a worsening of pain. So we have to do a much better job of of really correcting the record and better informing the medical community. Even though prescribing is starting to trend in the right direction there is still no other country on earth that comes close to prescribing as much as we do here in the united states. emily to. What extent has the stigma attached to substance use disorders become a barrier to fighting this epidemic I think that certainly after my son passed away during that timeframe it was much worse than it is now. I think we've come a long way concerning that. But there's still a lot of stigma in you know with doctors and you know different. Areas certainly has an impact on not changing. The things that need to be changed And i also think that. The pharmaceutical industry has You know made it out to be. It's the abuser. If you don't abuse your medication thing you're fine which is not true. And they've kind of put that as a campaign kind of to put that out there and that's certainly not helped. I wanna get to one more voicemail. My name is peter i'm from the williamsburg area and i've been a struggling opium addict for the past twelve years of my life line tire adult life been addicted and for the past five years. I've been at a methadone treatment facility. it's debilitating. It's crippled mu multiple times. I've lost everything I'm now on a good path but it it is an everyday battle and it really takes courage and strength and support system. You have to have a support system and people who understand and believe in you. I wish everyone the best peter. Thank you for sharing that with us. We also heard from colin wisconsin. He wrote in and said one thing. I'd like to see out of the biden. Administration is somehow targeting more mental health services starting in the high school or adolescent years tell folks struggling with depression chronic pain and other things that i've seen feed into opioid addiction. And sometimes death dr kalani. Where do you see the most important Additions to help us. Fight this crisis that can come from this new administration. I think the two main ways to tackle this crisis which is really an epidemic of opioid addiction involved preventing people from becoming opioid addicted through much more cautious prescribing. And seeing that people who are addicted have access to effective treatment for reducing the soaring increase in deaths that we've experienced in the short run. Most important strategy would be an immediate and rapid expansion of access to effective treatment. We do have effective treatments and we have seen some funding from the federal government for treatment over the past few years but we haven't seen a commitment to long-term funding so that states haven't been able to build out the treatment systems that we need so we are hearing from the biden administration a commitment for ten years of funding With over one hundred billion if if that funding does become available. And if we get to a point where someone who's opiate addicted can more easily access effective treatment than they can access heroin or or prescription heads. That's when i think we'll start to see. Deaths really come down and by by easy it really has to be cheaper really free to get treatment right now Getting heroin or fennel is very inexpensive but treatment is difficult to access dr andrew colotti. He's the medical director of opioid policy. Research at brandeis university. he's also the co founder of the group physicians for responsible opioid prescribing. Also with us. Emily walden the chair of fed-up that's organization fighting to end the opioid epidemic and charlotte bismuth a former prosecutor and the author of bad medicine. Catching new york's deadliest pill pusher thanks to you all and thank you for sharing your questions and stories with us. This conversation was produced by catherine fink. It was edited by barb on. This program comes to you from w. amu part of american university in washington distributed by npr. I'm jen white. Thanks for listening and let's talk again tomorrow. This is one a.
At Baltimore's National Aquarium, Climate Change Presents Challenges Inside And Out
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from the almond board of California, researching new uses for almond halls and shells, like strengthening recycled, plastics, creating fuel brewing, beer and more. More about the almond communities zero waste goal at almondsustainability dot org in our ongoing series on how the east coast is adapting to climate change. We traveled this past week to the national aquarium in Baltimore. This institution is facing multiple climate change related challenges both outside and inside the building. Yes, I'm at the dolphin show. But it's changed over the years. There's no disco music news, synchronized jumping it's mostly educational now. Then Dr Lee Clayton introduces me to the Atlantic bottlenose pod Jade is the mama foster who's one of our males. And then Chesapeake in spirit in mind as the head of animal care and welfare at the aquarium. And she says they've decided to relocate the pod to give them a better life outside in their native habitat. The dolphins will still be in a controlled environment. But one that is better for them. It really kind of takes the pressure off of us to create intellectually stimulating and physically stimulating environments for them in allows the natural habitat to do that. So like many retirees the pod is going to Florida, which is where the Atlantic bottlenose dolphin is originally from at least that's the plan, but the aquarium has hit some snags one of the issues is climate change. It's creating bigger more powerful storms. So they've been doing some modelling to see where the safest. A place with a new enclosure? We'll be how often do areas get hit by hurricanes. Wear two the hurricanes tend to go to land. What has historical damage, Ben? But we also need to keep in mind that there are some factors that may change, and we just can't predict them that's the wider issue with climate change. It's hard to make the right decisions when you can't exactly calculate the effects and while they're letting go of the dolphins. They're taking in more sea turtles. We go downstairs behind the dolphin arena to what looks like a deep indoor swimming pool. This is our sea turtle rehabilitation area, you can inside the pool our future Little's numbers on their backs waiting slowly through the shallow pools here they care for what it called cold stunned turtles turtles that have been suddenly exposed to water so cold, they get really sick. They kind of shut down. They can't swim. They don't mat metabolize properly there. More likely to get infections things like that. The aquarium is seen more and more cold stunned turtles recently Clayton says climate change is a likely factor with sudden changes in the water when we've got nice warm temperatures. And then the temperature drops very suddenly that can catch the turtles unaware, it's another way in which the aquarium and its resources are having to adapt to climate change outside. Another experiment in mitigation is underway. Bequem sits right on Baltimore's inner harbor, a bustling area with shops and restaurants and with water lapping just a few feet from the aquarium stores. Studies show that the inner harbor is likely to flood almost daily to see level rise by the end of the century. You're gonna come out. Charmaine dahlan. Berg is the director of feel conservation at the aquarium. She standing beside what's called a floating wetland. It's a four hundred square foot prototype a floating. Patch of Marsh grasses and plants and underneath our pipes that aerate the water. The aquarium's plan is for more. Artificial wetlands to fill the harbor around the building. So they prevent flooding. They lessen the effects of harmful algal blooms, and they're also really good carbon sinks besides absorbing carbon dioxide these floating green patches help remove pollution from the water while also providing habitat animals above and below the surface. Is it better to have something like this in a seawall? For example. It is better. I mean, the seawall does provide some habitat seal get your muscle your crabs on. But what we really want is. I've versity we really diversity in any kind of environment is so important and the wetland does. That meanwhile, the mission of this aquarium has also been changing over a million people. Visit the national aquarium each year. Megan Anderson does guest outreach here, which since twenty twelve includes talking about climate change, we met her near the shark exhibit. She says there is a reason they feel they can make a difference aquariums and zoos speak to more people than all sporting events combine and that people generally that come to crimson zoos are coming because they do have kind of a love or a passion for the environment. She says the facts don't get people to act on climate change in her experience. It's the emotional appeal and giving people a sense of what they can practically do at home, washing your clothes in cold water talking to friends and family about climate change. It's a message that resonates with Sadie Fernandez who is at the aquarium with her two year old Josie, what do you know about climate change? And are you interested in learning about it when you're here? Absolutely. Yeah. I know climate change is real. I know we do need to do better in the vitamin to make sure everything is sustainable for an X generation. And make an Anderson says she seeing more people like Sadie and Josie who are engaged in this issue back with the animals head vet, Dr Lee. Clayton says people's changing attitudes are giving her hope we as humans are behavior are behavior. Changes will absolutely help make a difference, and the the the dialogue can be very very depressing. But when we don't pollute as much species come back humans get healthier. So that does make a difference. She says the next ten years will be crucial in the fight against climate change. And we all have to do our part.
Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus
"Eat Chick it's a rainy day very very gloomy rainy day and allowed because if the windows open the recommendation in these situations you have to keep everything ventilated. Two weeks ago. Our researcher Elsie and I went down through Honda which is a major city in the center of China that has been the epicenter of the recent corona virus outbreak. By then it had been under lockdown for about a week. We really curious to see how people are fairing and what was going on especially at the hospitals there took the train from Beijing to Hun and we got off and what we saw was totally crazy. I mean we've never seen anything like it. This is the city of eleven million to come to a complete standstill. It felt like being in a parallel reality to see those streets completely. Empty was released striking. It was eerie to cure the silence. And the only time we heard anything was relational barking of a dog or an ambulance passing by and we were walking around this hospital and we walked into the courtyard in front of the outpatient department. And that's where we came upon this very jarring seem important. You had thirty or so patients that were all sitting quietly in the courtyard all hooked up to IB drips that were hanging from tree branches or in their cars gets those not only we meet this mother and her children or all hooked up to the mother name was young. She invested reporter. Neil Horan the gold. They tell me that they are actually a family of six. There's young laying. There is her husband. Her husband's parents and their son or daughter and they have all been staying together and she tells us that the grandmother got sick. I and one by one each of them has gotten infected by the virus and now her husband is the only one that doesn't have current virus. Polite we'll see and then they tell me that just one week. After the grandmothers started showing symptoms grandfather died dolphin. I was up by on his own. She tells us that after the Ram father dies the funeral home comes to take the body away you feel behind. Kwan cremated immediately. And she says that soup all de yet poodle. He was taken away just like a dead dog or a dead pig. Head coach Chen Data. Those wonder on there i. She's talking voice is starting to carry across the courtyard outside this hospital and go in and crowd around us and she's starting to get more and more upset. She was so how Publi angry that at one point Mattiello tramples. The mother was waving her arms around in frustration. Almost rich the ivy needle out of her. What would what are they? Don't want it. I've been covering China for seven years and I've heard people express frustration with the government before but really only in private. This was one of the few times that I've heard such raw anger toward the government publicly. You did all the all the mean buddy tassell. Gasol you the law's mother. What did she basically says? Is this really my country or is this some kind of fucked up country a country? That doesn't take care of anything with them. Then she says what kind of government is this and after hearing that that made me think that something was happening that was bigger than just now break of a virus from New York Times. I'm Michael Barr. This is the daily today inside. China would begin as a story of fear over. The Corona virus has now become the story of fury over the government's handling of the crisis. Beijing correspondent Amy Chin on what she saw in rural it's Thursday February thirteenth. Amy What is it about this moment? That you think is making people like the wrong family feel free to speak out about their anger into pretty explicitly criticized the Chinese government so for the John Family. This is for them a matter of life death and it was a common feeling. I heard throughout the city but there's another added frustration boiling across the rest of the country. About how the government is handling this crisis and for them. It's really been captured in the story of doctor named Dr Lee went down. And who is this? Dr So leaving town is an eye doctor at a hospital hunt and he'd heard about this virus back in December that was going around the hospitals in the city and so he went on we chat. Which is this big social messaging platform in a private messaging group but some of his. Let's go classmates. A text message recently warning them to protect themselves and a few days later after he sent that message she was actually called in by the police in Wuhan. They brought him into the police station and they made him sign a statement saying that he was spreading false illegal information basically that he was spreading rumors authorities say it is untrue and eight. People were detained for spreading fake news. Online at no medical staff had been infected. But of course it wasn't a rumor. Chinese health authorities are still working to identify the virus behind a new MOONEY outbreak in the central. Fatih of one by the time when he really was brought into the police station forty one people had the current environment and from there it just spread a saws like virus which is infected hundreds and China has now reached. The United States and China has announced the first death from an outbreak of pneumonia caused by an unidentified virus. Hundreds of twenty one people Under suspicion is wrong rumors on social media alleged that the outbreak in Wuhan could be linked to South House organization. Says it's a new type of Coluna virus and another at this point. What is happening to Dr Lee? So after Dr Lee gets taken into the police station and forced to sign a statement. You actually treating a patient for Glaucoma. And she wasn't showing any symptoms at the time but he ended up contracting the virus from her and from his sick bed he starts to speak out again in a matter of days. Dr Lee Win. The wind from treating patients to becoming one and get some interviews to Chinese media and he starts to become this public figure struggling to communicate lease spoke with CNN. Briefly by phone you can hear the hospital machines pulsing in the background. He becomes known as a whistle blower silenced by police calls for Lee and the other two vindicated grew online that the government didn't act fast enough on information that they were given and that they had missed his critical window of opportunity to get the outbreak under control. China's Supreme Court Eden. Wait in adding quote. It might have been fortunate thing if the public had listened to this rumor at the time but for many so he's becoming a kind of it was to spokesperson contract for a lot of frustrations exactly Wall Street. And so at this point it just feels like. There's a lot at the end of the tunnel now. The death toll in the outbreak of a new coronavirus in China has jumped to seventeen. That'd be bullet. Been diagnosed with the deadly virus known as the roller now. More than thirty one thousand five hundred confirmed cases worldwide. More and more sick. Rescind the number is just surge. Every day of six hundred deaths not people who are confirmed cases that the krona virus people who are dying virus has jumped to more than seven hundred everything felt so uncertain officials are imposing restrictions on travel out of China and thirteen city's in lockdown this morning near empty shelves line supermarket a need for masks and protective soup. Dinas Health Minister. Moscow said that he expects infections to continue to rise and of course that has everyone here in the country. Even more nervous is actually freaking out. I know right now is being massively rocked by anger and the State Department has said it is charter flight to evacuate Americans out over Justin though will not be playing their citizens I was on and that's when I got the call so as late last week and I've been on the phone all day. With my editors and I get a final call thing you need to go to the airport. There was one flight left that was being arranged by the US State Department to go back to the US so I start scrambling. I leave all my mass. Might just infected. Why it's my husband suit gloves with my colleagues and then it's about a forty minute drive to the airport space so I am at the airport at and it's been a crazy hectic day. I think that Ben experts in quarantine on a military base will bring. Its own interesting romance. And what is the scene at airport at the airport with a little bit frenzied? I mean at this point needs to release some. The last flights out for is countries who are evacuating their citizens. So it wasn't just the Americans. There were also the Canadians of Japanese. We didn't even know at that point. They were taking us to so I'm in the airport lobby and I'm waiting for my flight and then my phone starts to buys and I'm seeing all these messages. Come through and I look at them. And then I'd see that Dr Lee has just died and I can censor. This was gonna be a big moment because I had started overhearing people talking about it and the airport terminal but then I just had to leave. I had to get on a flight Right back there's five G. then there's verizon five G. we're building the most powerful five G. Experience for America more than ten times faster than some other five G. networks rolling out in cities across the country like Miami Omaha Houston and La experienced the performance five G. Ultra wideband can deliver. This is five G. built right verizon five G. Alter why available only in parts of select cities based on analysis by UCLA of speed test intelligence data of t mobile and verizon five G. Beta average download results for q four twenty nineteen nationally. It'd be Dr Lee has died from the very virus that he alerted the government to. And you're on a plane back to the US for Mojo. So what happens? Would you let so once I land. I find that I am at the Miramar Marine base in San Diego California. I'm off to corn team and then I turn on my phone and I start going through my messages and I see this huge ups falling of outrage over Dr. Lee's death people from every stripe of the political or social spectrum in China. So you have people business. People were Blue Collar. Workers Artists Lawyers. They're all posting about Dr Lee's death and I've never seen people come together like this before and people were so upset about his death. What are they saying? A lot of people were posting Kennel emojis and other kinds of remembrances for Dr Lee. They were posting photos of him. He had taken a Selfie of himself wearing a surgical mask and someone had recreated that image to replace a surgical mask with barbed wire to indicate that he had been muzzled. Some people were posting the anthem from Les Miz. Do hear the people sing singing a song of angry men. We actually saw the HASHTAG. I want freedom of speech trending for five hours which of course it was quickly censored and we thought petitions up by Chinese academics calling from freedom of speech and we even saw a local government social media account posting portrait of Dr Lee along with the Lions Heroes. Don't fall from the sky. They're just ordinary people who stepped forward. Wow so the reaction is really remarkable. I mean even the hospital where Dr Lee died posted an official notice death and that had three million reactions three hundred thousand comments and so it was so clear that this was something that had really tapped into the frustration. Now is happening. And what do you make of those reactions because it feels like it no longer is really just about this virus and the way that it was handled. Yes so at this point. It's clear that this is becoming so much bigger than just the virus this is really about the government and this social contract that the people have had with the government where they agreed to keep silent as long as the government provides for their prosperity and health. It operates under this principle of stability at all costs effort to create stability. In fact they did the opposite. Yeah I mean. I think there's as realization definitely that there is something wrong with the system and I don't think that it means that people are going out on the streets and calling for a revolution but the fact that he wore kind for freedom of speech and I mean that's really what this brought people in China already used to a pretty high level of censorship but when it comes to censoring a warning about public health that goes too far and the reaction is so overwhelming that the government quickly realizes that they need to do something. And that's when we see China's leader Xi Jinping come forward out of the shadows and try to take control and choice show on the food. He comes out and makes an appearance in Beijing. October visits a community center in a hospital. He gets his temperature taken. He's talks with local residents over Bucknell Jimbo video conference with doctors. And WE'LL HON. Doesn't even though the government has sent the nation's top anti-corruption agency to go down to. Wuhan Investigate Dr. Lee's death and state media calling Dr Lee a hero. This feels like a real shift for government did originally reprimanded Dr Lee and is now sending a team to investigate why he was muzzled. The concession it is but at the same time we have to remember that this is also part of the parties does which is to always try to control the narrative and for them. The path of least resistance in. This situation is to hold Dr Lee up a hero but also to do it in a way. That coheres was the party narrative who erasing the parts that might challenge their legitimacy authority. Which is the fact that he was punished by the government for trying to call attention to the fact that there was this virus going around. Do you think that the people in China view the government's response as an attempt to protect them from the virus or to protect the government from the story of a situation? That's out of control though. People really believe that the government wants to get this epidemic under control but at the same time. They know that the government is only going to do this. In a way that does not threaten its own hold on power and that means taking control the narrative sending in their own journalists to make sure that only the positive aspects of what they're doing has been highlighted and that people who are slipping through the cracks. All the failures of the policy are not being highlighted. Immune curious have you been able to speak to the Zhong family since you evacuated? Since you took that flight from John to California we have the last time we checked in with them. Their situation had changed mother and the daughter were both infected with the virus and finally been able to get into one of the make-shift quarantine centres set up by the government Bella. The daughter has sent us a video of the center and it just shows a huge exhibition centre with beds crowded tightly together and all these sick patients in these beds. Meanwhile fellas brother and their grandmother still at home back in the family apartment sick and unable to get into a hospital. The grandmother is in very serious condition. She can barely get out of bed and they're also still living with their father. Who is the only family member who hasn't gotten infected so far though they all think that it will be a matter of time so basically half the families being cared for and the other half have been kind of abandoned right and remember their grandfather died in their family apartment and was taken to be cremated immediately and they still don't even know where his ashes are is the reality that another death in the family could happen something that they are preparing for? Yes they've been planning for it. They told us that when the grandmother dies they're not GonNa let her go to their crematorium but actually the mother that she's going to drag her body to the local neighborhood committee and just put it there on the front steps to show them how their inaction has devastated their entire family. Do you know whether the family knows about Dr Lee's death or if they were able to watch that video of Xi Jinping in public addressing this situation I think if they've seen it it's fairly registered they are so consumed with just trying to survive right now like so many other people and that they're just putting their heads down trying to move forward anything you very much We'll pack start. Love believes every woman deserves to feel comfortable and confident inside and out. That's why they've donated over twenty million dollars worth of bras to women in need with more than eighty processes including half cups. Third love is on a mission to help every woman find their perfect fit go to third love dot com slash daily to find your perfect fitting. Bra and get fifteen percent off your first purchase. That's third love dot com slash daily for fifteen percent off. Here's what else you need for the second day in a row. President trump intervened in the prosecution of his longtime friend and advisor. Roger Stone this time by attacking the judge in the case on Tuesday at the president's urging the Department of Justice recommended more lenient. Prison sentence for stove who was convicted of obstructing congressional investigation into Russian meddling in the two thousand sixteen election that move prompted four federal prosecutors to leave the case in protest on Wednesday trump claimed without evidence in a tweet that the judge who will sentence dope is biased against the president in what Democratic lawmakers said was a clear attempt to intimidate the judge before she sentences stone. The president ran against the swamp in Washington. A place where the game is rigged by the powerful to benefit them. Personally I asked my fellow Americans. What is more swamp? What is more feted? What is more stinking than the most powerful person in the country literally changing the rules to benefit a crony guilty of breaking the law in response Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called for an investigation into trump's conduct? As a result I have formally requested that the Inspector General of the Justice Department. Investigate this matter immediately. That's it for the daily. I'm Michael Barbaro Seymour.
153 - What if clocks were bananas and monkeys ate time?
"Word if conspirator cons if you're traveling back inside welcome I'd like to thank Carreno Keith. My Co Creator Greg Mortenson for our theme Song Dr Lee who put my hand back together all those years ago and all you kids at home who know our past is part of who we are good bad and weird so go to Eric doing it all backwards. What are you talking about Wendy Anna? This is how I always end the show but you're at the beginning of the show. No I just told the whole story. What was the story about a monkey? Maybe or like a banana. I think no a banana. You say what's going on Wendy Anna. I'm here from the future. Which is your past and I think someone laid out the town monkey. What deliver eat that last piece of banana. Why Not Windy? It's just one little bite of one. Little Bida banana her. Oh Indiana I feel funny. Listen Mr Eric Times GonNa stop playing tricks on you. Okay just remember us. Remember what if I'd never forget you when do who whatever happens. Don't let the monkey unfinished the banana in the past until meet again again. Remember Mr Harris Key. Wow we did it. We started a podcast. I should take it down. It's not ready. It's GONNA be okay Mr Eric. How can you say that Fred? What if I'm not good enough? What if no one likes it? I don't know Mr our but you worked really hard on it and you should be proud even if nobody ever listens of. Thank you Fred. Mr. Eric had a funny feeling all of a sudden he looked around. He his in his old apartment a AC hadn't lived in many years Fred why is Alabama zero narrating the story and we'RE KAREN AND CALLUM? Oh don't you remember the time? Monkey is eating up. The reality banana as space and time slowly collapsed upon themselves. What a bow tie Mr. Eric looked up at the club that used to hang in there kitchen on the. It wasn't a clock now. It was a banana and all but two bytes. Bytes were missing. What you say about Time Fred? I didn't say anything Mr Eric. Dogs cannot talk in what is a little purple third monkey with climbing up there wall toward the reality banana. Oh we've got to stop that monkey. What'll Fred could do was bark as with a delighted squeeze the time monkey took a bite out of the banana. Mr Eric was a white room sitting across the spotless. Glass table from Ms Biz who is slowly sliding check towards him. Of course amount barely covers the six months of physical and occupational therapy. Never mind the missed work. In the fact that you can ever teach karate and gymnastics again. I know Ms Busy. Have you seen a monkey monkey? I see here is you Mr Eric. You have suffered. We could go after these people for their house. Their bank account there everything ms I just. I want to put this behind me. Okay or in front of me. I'm not sure which way time is moving right now in Ms Biz. Jeter watch except it wasn't exactly a watch. Can you guess what it was? It's exactly three by today. Invite of Banana Banana. Time monkey was suddenly. They're sliding across the slick glass table and snatching the banana wristwatch. Right off of Ms Biz. Put a route time. Monkey Time Monkey I. I don't know what you want but just talk to me okay or not what I want. It's what you want. What do you mean? Don't you miss gymnastics karate being in the classroom? Yeah I of course I do but time muggy took another about it well teddy. How'd you like your story? Mr Eric was back in his old apartment again talking to his nephew teddy on a computer screen. Only he didn't look like Teddy at all or I think it was a wonderful story. Maybe you should make a podcast something teddy. I would know the first thing about doing something like that. It's it's too big and scary and I'm just too old to learn a whole new skill. Set me out. Why think about happy stories are about drawing big challenges even if Ascari Teddy? You're not teddy your Joe Joe Fluffy Cat all know in the past reality banana all Mr Rarick. Your talking crazy. It's the year four biter banana all by two by Anna the screen behind JFK. Mr Eric saw the time knocking banana with four. Bytes left of it off the wall. Teddy Joe Whoever you are go get that monkey off to now. It's nice to be young again. I know Joe Joe but but is it worth it. Let's find out now. I'M OUT MR. Eric found himself at a doctor's office with flickering mood leading in dense jazzy music. Playing in the background. He just gotten his gas taken off of his right hand and wrist and he was trying to squeeze and into a fist. Do Say I've done a marvelous job putting your hand back together Dr Advocates Lee Grumbler. Thank you Dr. Lee said Mr Eric already on the lookout for the diamond. And now you may. Experience some stiffness and discomfort forever. Oh and you can't do anything. High impact like gymnastics or karate as to completely random examples but I teach gymnastics and karate. You taught them passed away on the bright side. You get to try something entirely new and frightening now. Doctor Leigh Abacus Hybrid Professor Doctor Advocates League. Grumbler extraordinaire because you're going to see a monkey soon. Okay and when you do. I want you to take out your wand in freeze it but Mr Eric. Wouldn't you like to feel normal again? No MORE DISCOMFORT. No more limitations. Popo time monkey popped up from under advocates as wizard. Act An eld out a banana with exactly five bytes dates because we all have limitations. And I'm a lot luckier than most. So please just help me catch that monkey over very well come here. Monkey and advocates reached up with one hand while pulling his wand and shook who I was zero. Magic's all right. I've managed to make the monkey and banana in miss but at least in the past is still have magic frog. Ooh Love here. We go again. I'll in the Monkey Peel Mr. Eric didn't remember much. A giant banana peel let appeared in the street in front of him. A BIG GAR swerved out of its lane days and in there. He was by the side of the road. A young woman stood behind him. Hi what's your name. Oh I'm Eric Hi Mr Eric. We already called an ambulance. And I've got everyone to give you some space and I put a blanket over your shoulders. thank you hi. I'm easy I just started nursing school and would it be okay if I put my hand on your back. Yeah that'd be really nice listened his own crazy but have you seen a monkey? That doesn't sound crazy at all. Maybe you should just have a sip of water. In the young nurse training headed Mr Erica water bottle and unscrew the gap for him. You know whenever I come back to. This moment is always my favorite part. Okay Eric can you take some deep breaths with me? Only just started school and you already being the person you're meant to be you were so brave and I wish I remembered your name. I already told you. My name is easy. My brother's name is Zach. I'm from WHAT IF Z? Z. Bo louder phone to check the time. Where is that ambulance? We've been waiting one whole banana pie hole banana peel. Do not let that monkey near my patient. I'm okay just don't let the monkey get the banana peel. We see Mr Eric dressed in sporty pants and a bright t shirt. A glass full of preschoolers helps him folded up a big Mat. And then they all sit in a circle. My goodness what an amazing job you did on your hands stands today. Do they want here? Find Them. A little scary AB- OI reasons his hand. Yeah I like story day better. I Love Story Day too. And I'm so impressed with you for trying. Something new and for being honest about your feelings than a girl added. I was scared too but then I wasn't. Wow you just taught us something huge. See when you a big new challenge it gets more fun and less scary. The more you work at it. I hope you all remember that when you try something new like tying your shoes or juggling a bunch of angry cats. The bad deal can't juggle cat who okay. You got me class. Mr Eric checked his watch and saw was very nearly one whole Manana. Tiny monkey was pushing appeal. Back onto the banana. But Mr Eric couldn't remember why was important. He was just having too much fun. Okay class it is nearly one banana so I'm off for now. What we say I keep wondering he there folks welcome back to what if world this year. We are questions and ideas just inspired off the cuff story. So got your. Where is your Eric is but I'm Alabaster Sierra it. I'm on the case. So let's a fire. I what if question offers us any clues. It's remote listener named Winnie her. Should I say a young saboteur named Winnie? Ooh question is what if Mr total lie backwards? Backwards story okay. Okay maybe our patron live will help us make sense of this money and I like the dog. My family and my question is what if clocks are bananas and Monkey Time but I love your show time monkey now. I remember I found out Fred was stuck in the future so I let loose the time. Monkey hoping to bring him back to the past which is our present. Yeah well it worked Nice Job yes I did it no listen. I'm not here for you. I'm here to give shout out to our Mora. She's nine years old from Austin Texas and she loves reading and her thirteen year old dog wonder. Oh I love the name one. Mr Eric would do if he were here. Mr Eric is now stuck in the past teaching gymnastics and garate again. So it is left to me draco Max to give a shoutout to Gabe. He is eight years old from Birmingham England and he loves super. Mario and Bo game on. Where thank you Amora? And GABE NAGA. One more shout out for a pair of siblings. Emily who's nine years old and lily? Who is seven years old from Santa Barbara California worth? Thank you lily. Emily Gabe and Amora and also think myself forgetting Fred back from the future. Yeah by turning time inside out and making wisdom Eric Disappear Trucco. Max strongly believes that Mr Eric is somewhere or maybe not wherever he is or isn't he'll have to sit tight there until next week. Folks who Mr Eric would want you to know that you can help. Keep what were alive but joining us on patron. Oh Yeah you can get a shower now. From is a new gate ad free episodes. Plus you get a better chance of having your question answered at other great rewards at higher levels and a really great thing you can do to help us. A lot is lever rating or review on Apple. Podcasts remember five star review is a really big help and you can even leave a question as part of your review now. Let's find out what if clocks bananas and monkeys eight time. And what if Mr Eric told the world story backwards way? Didn't we just find that out? A guess we did. So does that mean. This is the head of sales.
Censoring China's grief
"This is an ABC podcast. Protest movements in China have a history of being either short-lived. It's faded barth. Now they're in new waves of dissent anger because of the way corona virus is being handled and it all came to a head on the wakened. I'm and I'm Christine Gate and today on the signal. The doctor who tried to blow the whistle rhinovirus early on and was silenced has died China is struggling to contain the public outcry. So what will come of Leeann. Liang's death so it's pretty easy to imagine why people in in China are angry right now. Millions living in lockdown eight hundred people have died and the virus is still spreading right and people are angry. About how the virus. This is being handled in general. But it's the death of this one man. That's become the flash point for the anger. The doctor who tried to blow the whistle about corona virus in the first place. His name was Louis. When Liang and the response China to his death light last week has been enormous? So doctor Lee was opthamologist. He's thirty four years old and he was working in Wuhan Central Hospital. Stephanie Hegarty is the BBC's population correspondent which means she covers things like migration climate change range and potential epidemics like the virus. And the reason why he came to everyone's attention was at the end of December. He was working in his hospital when he saw that seven cases what of what he thought and called SARS had been diagnosed in the hospital and he sent a message. Uh on a messaging APP to a big group of other doctors saying that these cases had been diagnosed and people should take care and wear protective clothing clothing at work and maybe warn their friends and family and this started a bit of a discussion on the group and then somebody shared screen shots that discussion on social media and so it reached reached a much wider audience so he initially assumed that this seemed like Saas yet. They weren't his patients. It was his hospital and he was opthamologist so he wouldn't he wouldn't have been treating pneumonia symptoms directly but what the hospital authorities other doctors were calling the virus. The disease at this point was an unknown sort of pneumonia but the reason that he said it was SARS is because SARS is also a corona virus. This and the one that we're seeing now is a new corona virus but the two viruses share similarities. It was known in the hospital. Then that these seven cases he's had been diagnosed what they were officially saying it was a type of pneumonia that they didn't know the cause of okay so on December thirty when he says this theory on the social media site we bow. He's not saying anything crazy. He's reporting what he's saying and warning a few the doctors to be careful and wear protective clothing but three days later the police spur involved when he was summoned by the police in Wuhan and he was was forced to sign a letter saying that he'd been spreading false information that he'd been conducting illegal behavior and he was reprimanded and and called a rumor monger at at the same time. The police put out a notice saying that they had disciplined eight doctors first spreading rumors. So what this little say exactly that he was told to sign so the wording of it was pretty strong. It said that he he was making comments. That he'd severely disrupted did the social order and then the bottom of the ladder. It said we solemnly warn you if you keeping stubborn with such impertinence continue this illegal activity you will be brought to justice and then it said is that understood and underneath in Dr Lee's handwriting is written yes. Is this sort of thing. Standard practice like is this a common law in China. Well well this kind of control of dissenter control of people speaking is is common. I guess what what is not common is when it's just a doctor talking about cases in his in his hospital and I think that is what shocked people list is not overtly political statement. I guess that Dr Lee Felty was making time but it was being treated as that and I guess in the next few weeks the the significance of what he was talking about became much clearer to us so this all happened at the very beginning of January and it wasn't until the twentieth of that month wake flight a that. China declared the outbreak. An emergency in the meantime time more and more of these mysterious cases of what turned out to be corona virus had kept cropping up and Dr Lee kept showing up to work on central hospital. Although he didn't share anymore I'm wolf fury's after. He was reprimanded he. He did what he was told. He stopped Talking about the crisis at all and he just went back to work and presumably also whereas the the virus the outbreak kind of started to spread really rapidly. In those first weeks of January he would have been very busy as well and You probably wouldn't have had much time to do too much else except work. And then we know that on the tenth of January. He leaves treating a patient for an eye problem problem who had been infected the virus then he caught it. He said a day later he started coughing and then go fever and two days eight or he was hospitalized. Himself off and at this point with authorities Was the guidance that you want wasn't being transferred from person to person just from animal to person at this point in those first few weeks the January the Ma- the line from the authorities was that this disease was transferred from animals to humans that it came from this marketing Mouhanna that everyone who had contracted attracted the virus had visited the market and he said he started to wonder himself since he knew that he was sick. Why they this was is the official line why they were still targeting? The idea that this didn't pass from human to human. He said he felt it was evident from his own illness as well as others. That at this was definitely passing from person to person. So what happened after. He started feeling ill on the tenth of January so he was hospitalized two days as later he said his parents were also hospitalized and and he was being treated in intensive care in his own hospital move on central hospital so towards the end of January. Dr Lee is still sick and he decides to reveal everything that happened he even. She has a copy of the letter. The police made made him sign. Initially he starts posting on whereby from his hospital bed and he begins with the words. Hello everyone this is Lee when Liang an ophthalmologist At Wuhan Central Hospital. It was huge. There were hundreds thousands of comments and a lot of support and almost almost Almost all of the work kind of celebrating him as hero and being vaguely critical of of the government of the the treatment of him. What happened since he died has been even more shocking? I think the level of under the just strong comments have been from people politically criticizing the government and Leveling sense of rage at the government. It's been quite unprecedented. I think so when did come out. That Dr Lee had died so it was a very confusing time. I actually it was. We started to hear Chinese time it was nine thirty on the sixth that AH that he had died Chinese state media reporting this and then over the next few hours they seem to kind of change there and say he hadn't died but his heart it stopped he'd been revived and then he was critically ill. And there was a huge response to this to the huge amount of anger firstly personally and then fear and suspicion that the story wasn't being told honestly finally at about two. AM following day. The hospital put out a statement saying that he had died. Why if there was a suspicion around it I mean why would the Chinese authorities want to put a lead on this story? Uh well there's a few few possibilities one is that maybe had been sustained and They were kind of fighting to try and get him back but the other is is that the the response and the level of anger at his death was so strong that they were almost afraid and kind of maybe wants wants to buy some time to figure out how to deal with this and I think that actually just inflame the situation further. There's so much anger that Dr Lee. She had been that information had been suppressed that he'd been reprimanded for telling the truth and the fact that this was all happening again Over his death. I think it was just too much for for some people at a really Maybe angry So at this point tons of people stopped paying tribute to Dr Lee calling him a hero willing to speak the truth. And at the same time these Hashtags pop-up calling for freedom of speech and an official official government apology and then the census kicking right of course because even in the middle of a health crisis and maybe even especially than it is still China and it seems a kind of Classic ploy from this Chinese Communist government. That they they liked to be able to keep control control of the narrative and keep control of any information that is being distributed to Chinese people. I mean they were definitely I guess. Their stated aim is to avoid panic and to be able to keep control of the situation But what a lot of people are saying now. Is this kind of suppression. John of freedom of speech is is dangerous in a way. I think what's happened over the past few days in reaction to Dr Lee's death. Life is is quite stunning in terms of the number of ordinary. People that are now speaking out on social media and saying that freedom of speech the lack of freedom of speech in China is a problem. This is not something that people would've freely ordinary people to freely said yet some some kind of dissidents would speak freely like this but the number hundreds of millions of posts of ordinary Chinese people. Saying this kind of thing is really Is something you and it's not just You know it's ordinary people. It's also CEO's of major companies who usually kind of toe the government line who are coming out and speaking of it in this case and a Hashtag Hashtag we want. Freedom of speech was trending on social media and training for about five hours after Dr Lee's death the fact that the Chinese sensors are usually have a very tight control of the Internet. There didn't shut that down early. Says something whether they were was physically unable to whether their armies of army of sensors just couldn't keep up or whether they felt that they should allow. Chinese people are kind of outlet for their age for those few hours. We don't know in what we did. See then in the next few hours the next day or so was the propaganda machine definitely kicking into gear again and they seem to be a sense that central government government would maybe put lay the blame for productive. He was treated and by the authorities on the local government in Wuhan and the Anti corruption option body of the central Chinese government has sent an investigating committee two hundred to look into what happened so it seems that there is a kind of attempt to understand people's grief and maybe use it to the benefit of the government and has been any sort of official apology on behalf of other the the central government local authorities. Not As far as we've seen just yet and that's something 'cause BBC spoke in Stockton father and that was something that he said that he wanted that letter. That Dr Lee was forced to sign. He wanted that withdrawn. Unofficially as far as as we've seen I don't think that has happened. I think my son is a very good person. This is not me praising my own son as a father other you can go and talk to colleagues in the hospital and asked them whether he's a decent person everyone who knows him to have their own say it's not spreading rumors. The virus was out there. He sent a message of initially only to his friends. The family he was not spreading rumors. Okay so it's kind of hard to read the Chinese government strategy here right because it's essentially if you look at it. The two conflicting strategies on the one hand. You've got condolences and promised to investigate but at the same time this dual scrubbing any mention of this guy from the Internet. Even though most people would regard Adam is a hero. Yeah which seems like a risky move which could make people even angry. A- Stephanie says it might not play out that way. Well it's it's almost working in their favor. I guess the moment that this The country is unlocked down. There may be all this rage in social media but people are still afraid to leave their houses at the moment so it would be very hard for that to translate anything. I guess they're hoping up up by By doing things like saying they're going to investigate what happened on that. That will kind of count people and they'll be able to take control of the situation nation again but this. This outbreak was always going to be a big political challenge for the Chinese government and a big test of how how well well they can control the narrative and how well they can keep people on their side that all depends of course with high quickly. They can deal with this. We still have been death. 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Experts share what you need to know about traveling during the coronavirus outbreak
"Hey It's me again. Brian Kelly the point sky with a very important. PSA You need to get in the know with TB daily newsletter. It's where or you can get all the latest news and aviation deal alerts and the very best tips in the points and miles space. Subscribe to it right now and get it delivered for free three straight to your inbox every day. Text talking points to three three triples seven. That's talking points to three three seven seven seven. See when your in box into this episode of talking points. I'm your host Brian Kelly. Today we were talking about a serious issue issue that we've all seen in the news. The Wuhan Corona Virus has wreaked havoc on travel across the globe and is an impending healthcare a crisis to cut through all the information. We have two awesome guest today. Dr Lee from health line media health line is is a sister site of the point sky under our parent company Red Ventures and they see to give the best information to consumers on their health and doing it in an empathetic attic and informative way so we are so fortunate to have her and we'll end the episode with our very own then much of our senior aviation editor at the points. Points Guy. We're GONNA talk about how this directly impacts travelers in the travel industry more on the Wuhan Corona virus. Right after this today. We're going to talk all things. Wuhan Corona virus with our very own. Dr Han Li who senior director of medical affairs at our sister site health line. Dr Lee thank you so much for joining us today. A lot of things have been happening day by day. We're recording this episode assode on Monday February third higher level. What's going on with the corona virus so at the high level? The Corona virus seems to still be spreading. We're still L. hearing of increased cases of New Infections and additional deaths. Right now I think we're at around three hundred and sixty one deaths. The vast majority of deaths are occurring in China and the vast majority of the cases are occurring in China. But I think over the weekend the news list that the first death outside of China has occurred and it was in a forty four year old Filipino. Man after he traveled to John. Yeah I I heard that news and I was Kinda on a shock because it was my understanding that younger healthy people have nothing to worry about and we clearly don't know the medical history of this forty four year old but Should people be really concerned turned by the at this point. You're exactly right. We don't know what this man's medical history as it is surprising cause forty four year old is not considered an older person and we had up until this point and hearing that only the people who are older or who have compromised immune system or any kind of pre existing medical medical condition or respiratory condition. Were really at risk of increased mortality. So definitely we are concerned about that but at this point we don't know enough and it the worst thing we could do is to overly panicked when not enough information is known and to jump to any false conclusions. I think I think the main thing to really keep in mind as we still need to find out a lot more information. Can you describe a little bit. What are some of the symptoms that they start with and then progress into and actually is a like the flu? In fact many of the cases that have been documented Came with folks who said that they had very very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all The ones that we're hearing about the ones that make the news are the ones that are the most of here Were there presenting with respiratory distress. So you have the flu. But on top of that you're getting severe costs. High Fever and difficulty breathing to the point where people are having difficulty with shortness of breath requiring a respiratory support either with a ventilator or intimidation and so those are the ones that are really severe that require hospitalization but in a lot of the cases including the ones wants that we've seen in the US people who've been documented with the novel Krono virus are well enough to actually stay at home as long as they remain quarantined. Nineteen at home and that they're not going around potentially transmitting it to other people. What would you say to someone who said okay the world freaking out about this but the regular flu is way more deadly? Why do we care about this so much? Well it definitely is the case that you know. We're scared about this because we have a situation and we've been hearing about it a lot more in the last a couple of decades that there are these new flus or viruses and bacteria that are making the jump between animals to humans and it's frightening to rest because there's a sense of vulnerability that we don't know when it's going to happen how it's going to happen or how quickly the spread can happen before we can contain it but in actuality you're exactly right. The percentage of people who get the normal seasonal influenza is much higher and the mortality rates for those are still quite high But that's where medical information and accurate medical education is really pivotal. We had health line media. Spend a lot the time really trying to do the best. We can to make sure that we are all of our readers with the best information so that they really can't understand whether true risks are and not beats you easily led into this sense of panic because of misinformation is a big thing especially in this day of social media. I know I got multiple notable people sending me the picture of the Grotesque Bat in a bowl Claiming that the corona virus came from people eating burnt bats. What's in bowls in China? Is there any sense of truth to that. And did it definitely come from this animal market as many people are talking about yes and now so yes there is Evidence at this point that suggests that the krona virus the cause of this current spread was from the wet market. But it wasn't necessarily from eating the food per se. A lot of it is actually from close contacts. Close contact is defined as a six foot proximity to other an infected animal or an infected person. I think the scare has now come because we're originally came from an animal in close proximity with an animal now people who are in close contact contact with others who have had virus or who have the illness of the krono virus can potentially get sick as well. So that's the real concern is that we've you. were seeing the human to human transmission. We've seen the cases in California in Chicago where a recent traveler from Wuhan Came Back and unwittingly transmitted it to family member because of the close contact and this is scary because unlike Ebola which required you know bodily fluid with pretty intense contact. This seems to be passing person to person pretty easily is that why officials are really concerned. Yes so there are certain ways as you can catch an illness. Sometimes it's really requires very very close contact intimate contact but when it comes to airborne illnesses like the corona virus or the influenza influenza it can travel and respiratory droplets and was that anyone can transmit if they're infected with the virus via talking hocking coughing or sneezing in close proximity to other people which is why we always reinforce in all of our education and our content on headline media that the best thing is to practice safe precautions. If you feel sick stay at home. Don't go to work. Don't travel through mass transit if you're going to cough sneeze he's or be close to people be very mindful and respectful. Don't cost out Logan. Cover your mouth with your elbow not your hand or your shoulder cover your mouth with tissue of possible and throw that away immediately. Don't let it just sit around infecting surfaces which other people can touch and then transmit to themselves so these as a precaution that we always try to reinforce with folks to help decrease any potential cause of transmission from person to person and let's talk about airplanes so listeners of this podcasts are many of them are probably on a plane. Right now listening to this. What do you recommend in terms of wiping down your seat area? Does it make sense. I know a lot of people. People are wearing. The medical masks that people are saying are pointless for receiving Viruses in the air How do we protect ourselves on airplanes and in airports airports it makes a Lotta sense to feel particularly vulnerable when you travel because you're supposed to a lot of travelers from lots of different areas and you're in an enclosed environment with airplanes? It is particularly good to try to clean your area as much as possible as wise to travel with antibacterial wipes and antibacterial actuarial Gel. So that you can hear in your area making sure that the antibacterial Gel has at least sixty percent alcohol rate of possible and make sure show that you clean off your tray table and avoid putting things in the back seat pocket because that's really just a nice medium for bacteria one of the things things that I find very interesting. Is that when you're on a plane. There's this belief that you're really at risk and there's nothing you can do about getting sick actually you can can really help yourself by just making sure that your seat as well ventilated by using the the air that that's right above your seat a lot of folks recommend that if you turn on the air vent position it so that it forms a force field effectively front of your head that you can actually blow a lot of the Viruses and bacteria way is not gonNA be one hundred proof but it'll help in terms of making sure that your area as well ventilated. Oh so it does actually work. I think you you know everything that you can do to help yourself protect yourself. It's a good idea. You know we always say when when we have situations like this to stay in a well ventilated area. You can't always do that when you're traveling because you're on a plane that's you know you're going to circulated exactly but what you can do is just to make sure that you've got some well ventilated while circulated air around you if possible you can test yourself by putting your hands on your lap and making sure that the air is hitting you on the top of your hand. That's when you know that the air is really blowing right in front of your face interesting. I did not realize that onto the topic of facemask most of the surgical face masks that the people are wearing. I've heard do little to protect inborn viruses. It's all about not infecting others. Is that true or as long as you. You know squeezed squeezed around your nose. Do these mass do anything. Well first and foremost the CDC does not currently recommend traveling with face masks. Because at right at this point. It's not known known whether the face masks will help at all or which types of face masks will help. Not all face masks are created equally a lot of the commercially available ones. Don't have the filtration that will help protect you from the viruses. But you're right. It's also the way we use the facemask. I often see particularly when I'm traveling in the subway systems. When people where masks they were all too loosely and they think they've got it off on well and they're protecting themselves? There's a lot of hollow space and open ventilation on the sides and so it really is effectively doing nothing. The other mistake that people make is they were the same one all the time for long periods of time so whatever contamination commission is on the mass they just retain with them and they don't throw it away. These risks mass are supposed to be single. Use face masks so you're not supposed to carry read them forever. But a lot of folks do that and they touch them and they touch other surfaces and they put them back on their face thereby rendering the whole mask kind of pointless at this point the best thing is related to perform good hand washing. Wash your hands at least twenty seconds with soap and water and try to avoid touching your face particularly alertly eyes nose and mouth after you've touched other surfaces when you're in public areas like on a plane or on the subway or other mass transit. That's really good advice. But if someone's out there and wants to get the doctor approved mass it's GonNa keep out viruses. Is there like a professional mass that you would recommend commend. If people want to invest in it in a worse case scenario you know to have. I sometimes think let me just invest in one just so I have it in case because you know the minute you need it. They're going to be sold out is. Is there anything you'd recommend. I don't I think you know here in California. We had a lot of fires over the last few years we have face Facemasks that romance. You really feel trade out the smoke and whatnot. Those are generally better but at this point. You're better off working from home if you really scare if you're really really really worried about it working from home if you can staying away from large crowds staying in a well ventilated area and just making sure that you keep. Keep to good hygienic practices that you can protect yourself. But I would not recommend masks at. That's why I don't think it's a great investment in your money. Get yourself some antibacterial hand. Joe That's a better investment. Thank you for that advice. I've been getting tons of questions from people who have trips to Vietnam Bangkok even Hong Kong and even though those countries are not the source of the outbreak. There's still a lot of concern about travel to Asia. What would you tell someone that has a trip to Bangkok Hancock in two weeks? and WHO's really nervous. And should I cancel. Should I go. What would your medical advice be on traveling to Southeast Asia? Let's say I definitely finally say. He informed about what the news is coming out of that area. A lot of the countries in that area were the first I countries hit by spread outside of China so they've implemented screening practices and also have closed down travel. Oh between their countries as well as China but in terms of transportation between us and Bangkok or US and other Asian countries those are still open open however with increased screening you're always going to have traveled delays. So keep an eye on that to make sure that there's not going to be flight cancellations for delays but ultimately it's going to be a matter of whether or not the news comes out close to your flight and your plan trip. That warrants is anything in terms of your change. If it's something that you really feel apprehensive about this is what I would always tell my patients no one can make these decisions for you other than on yourself if the news makes you scared enough that you would not enjoy your trip then definitely reconsider it also keeping in mind that even if you do travel all to those areas with the scare. That's going on right now. Many local businesses are also closing down. They're not as open to tourism as they were before. Unfortunately it has caused a decline in tourist activity so you may not be getting the experience that you had originally wanted so keep those things in mine too in terms of what happens when you get to the country great advice and a final note so it seems like the world is now responding. We can debate whether it was done quick enough or not but do you feel confident that the global response now is going to be able to contain the virus going forward. I am confident that there is much better. Share communication communication during this outbreak. Them there has been in the past. I think the mobilization in terms of a coordinated effort and sharing of information as much better I I am concerned that with all these orders. Shutdown and and with these containment that there is going to be less willingness to share information in terms of true true infection rate and less willingness to allow for the open transport of health care materials medications and supplies and whenever there's problems with medical transport of supplies where areas really need those supplies that really impedes the ability to contain and fight the infection. So I know that. There's a lot of scare in terms of wanting to close down our borders and wanting to really cloister ourselves but in actuality it's that open willingness to share information and to help and share supplies to contain those and fashions. That will actually help in the long run in terms of camping out the outbreak while. You've been incredibly informative. Is there anything else. We should know about corona virus as it relates to travel or a parting words. Why would say that ultimately allay for folks who are traveling within the US and folks are traveling to other areas we shouldn't be any delays? We might see increase precautions. macy's screening I think many flights have experienced precautions in terms of in-flight spraying of the passengers. To make sure that there's there's any organisms will get sprayed and so that there's no transport of the organisms across countries but ultimately we should start to return to normal well as the infection gets better contained and the incidents slows down people should start to feel reassured that they'll be okay as long as they really are mindful mindful about protecting themselves and not getting panicked about it. Well hopefully if there's a silver lining to this. It's that we pick up at our day to day practices that will help thus with not just these one off viruses but the day to day germ transmission that we deal with and and getting sick by so thank you so much for sharing in your knowledge. You've definitely helped me understand a little bit more. What's at stake here? And how we can best protect ourselves. Dr Lee from health line media media our sister site. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me next up. We've got much of who is our senior aviation editor as appoints guy. And he's GonNa fill us in on the ever changing the rules and regulations with air travel as relates to the Wuhan Corona virus. That's coming through right up to this. Welcome back to talking points. We just got off with Dr Lee of Health Line Media and we talked about all things medically with the corona virus in travel and now. Let's talk with Dan much about who's going to fill us in on what's going on in the travel industry especially with flights rights which ones are cancelled which ones might be cancelled as well as what to do. If you've got a trip to China or throughout Asia Ben Thank you so much for joining us. Oh It's my pleasure so ben just brief us like can't someone still fly from a US city to mainland China Today. This says Monday February third. You know there are still some Chinese airlines that are operating between the US and North America. But I think you're the the first piece of advice I haven't all of this. Is that anyone considering. China travel right now. Even Asia should be aware that as this situation with the corona virus grows and changes thorough going to be changes to the details day by day. So right now you can still fly on some Chinese carriers from North America to China but whether that changes by this afternoon or by the end of the week. It's it's certainly a possibility but the US carriers have all canceled on Delta's to what at least the end of April have the other US carriers given a timeline on how long that these fights will be disrupted that's right. Airlines are winding down all of their flights basically glee by by today or this week if they haven't already and American and united have said that their suspension of service will go through the end of March pretty much for mainland China. A Delta is like you said it's the end of April Vance what we expect now. That's actually they're pretty big window. But I think we're all waiting to see exactly what happens with the corona virus and whether the airline stick to their schedules or I know they're probably a lot of the people in the industry nervous. Maybe that could be extended. This really drags on Ben. Here's a question. If people are traveling to countries outside of China Anna but within Asia. Are there any precautions. They should take so the best thing to do is to start with. The airline. Travel is on and see what details are but no deaths first of all any any flights that are canceled which obviously includes all of the mainland China flights From basically from this week through March and April you are are entitled by Law to a cancellation from those flights. So you can start there if you have other travel on flights that are not currently cancelled all of the big three. US airlines are waving change fees with some variations in details or flights that go through China and Hong Kong. And if you are traveling to the region especially if we're going through China and you can probably change your details to move travels former maybe get a a refund for my news travel that you can apply toward a future booking. The details will vary depending on the operating carrier. They carry you book from. But there's a lot of flexibility right now given this outbreak. Yeah my might take to even if there's not a specific instance of your flight being canceled. It never hurts to ask. I know a lot of times. Phone agents are granted flexibility with cancellations. Especially in times like these you you might as well pick up the phone and call. It never hurts to ask and I think that's great advice. You never know what the airline is going to say. Sometimes you may not get anywhere sometimes you may find some. I'm an agent who is empowered healthy and by just being honest but but also polite and friendly remember. You're trying to get them to help you. You could just say hey. I'm going to Vietnam where I'm going to Thailand highland and and I'm really concerned. Is there anything you can do to help me. Even if you can't give me a refunder wave the change fee if I decided to go as a partner airline align that you can have me connect through the Middle East or or through Turkey or something like that. See a thorough as the airlines might be able to work with you. You may not get the answer you want but like you said it doesn't hurt ask. I just had a friend. This morning. He was in Australia. He lives in Germany had flown China. Air China to to get to Australia month ago. His holidays are coming to an end and he just found out. He couldn't actually leave from Australia to Beijing because the flight was canceled. Even though the Beijing to Germany flight was still on so he's kind of stranded. They're giving him a refund but He's now on the hook to pay for a last minute one way ticket which isn't cheap so just a reminder that if you have plans even transit through China thinks could be thrown into a wrench now. Let's speak about what happens if you're in that situation to travel insurance or are there any credit cards that are gonNA come to the rescue here. If if you're in such a situation you know. We have not heard good news on this particular topic and the outbreak of the virus is not Considered covered reason for many of these cards. And that includes chase annex right right now so generally no. You're not covered. Whether this is covered by separate travel insurance that you may have purchased again that is going to depend end on the exact details. The fine print of your policy but Yeah this is a big one area. That's been a little prickly for for travellers hoping to recoup some of their losses losses are extra expenses here. I think the key is what travel insurance do a search in your policy for pandemic. I think that's usually the exclusion in most of these policies. Is that right dances. I understand that yeah. I think that's exactly right. You know this is certainly not your run of the mill situation and there's probably language in your policy that spells that out. Yup what about hotels have their policies been similar to airlines and being pretty flexible. We've seen a fair amount of flexibility for this You know we The points guy has talked to to Multiple Hotel chains. Who all separately offer free changes or cancellations for bookings up to February eighth and I imagine that will extend as as this situation unfolds? Soak pay attention to the news. Attention to our updates on the points guy So you'll see the the latest information You know we've seen some other things to Disney has said it will refined some admission fees for Shanghai. It's not sure when the you might reopen but if you have pre purchase tickets there that is in the works oh hotel industry at some of these other tourist facing places places. We have seen some flexibility. I think like with everything it's individual. Mileage may vary as they say but definitely call see if they can be flexible bowl with your reservations at the very least if you find that you are are talking to someone is giving you a hotel. It's giving you a hard time for a refund asked. This could at least move it and get a credit towards another stay again asked for them to help you if you are running against up against a wall but we have seen that there are free changes ages and cancellations so far for short window point Ben. I'm just curious your intrepid traveler. You see on instagram traveling. All over the world. If you had a trip to Bangkok Hancock in two weeks would you try to cancel it or would you feel confident and going. Oh cost is a great question you know I. I actually thought about this. I don't know what I would do to to say that I would go to Bangkok even if I was connecting through areas. That haven't been hard hits. I don't know I'm torn. I recognize the chances from what we currently know of coming into contact with this team. Well but I'll be honest. I probably looking to book travel to Southeast Asia in the next Eight week window. Yeah no I and sorry to put you on the spot but I just really curious so I wouldn't either even though it's probably totally fine. Now if it was Maldives I think I would probably if I had a pre the existing trip to the Maldives via Dubai or guitar. I probably would still do it although I'd have to probably just wait and let's see how this shakes out. Yeah one hundred per sanomat on that. I think you know some of it is. I don't know if I've become fallen. Subject to the hysteria around at the some people say media as but there's something about being an isolated island in the Maldives having transited through a house. It's not in Asia that I would feel more comfortable with versus being on the bustling streets of of Bangkok and we were just more likely to come into contact with people which is obviously fairly exclusive experience so they do seem a little different to me. He also you know I read a article on. Sri Lankan Airlines. They had their rescue flight. And it was wild to see people. Getting hosed down with whatever the disinfectant was and the fact that they you know put that plane back into commercial service later that evening. I'm sure they gave it a good scrub down but you you know when you're talking viruses and how quickly this seems to spread between people that doesn't require contact and the fact that a forty four year old man just died this past weekend it does make you think as much as I love travel and as much as you don't WanNa be subject to media. Hysteria is still our lives at hand. You know and and and it's clearly a big issue so I just want to say I don't fault you for saying that you wouldn't travel and I probably wouldn't either. Yeah I definitely at least give it some thought. NATO and and yeah that was remarkable video and scenes from that flight. You just mentioned and I think I don't know you can be armed with all the facts and and and now your chances for catching this virus are very small but to see that and watched them spray down low and and see the plane. Go back and service. I just. It's hard not to you just wonder and I just think that's a natural reaction. Many people have whether or not we are up to speed on the facts and the and the real risk versus the perceived one. Well I think the biggest issue that Dr Lee brought up to is that we may not be even getting the full picture of how bad this is so there may be five Avec says many infections. I think there's been long holds in terms of testing so we don't even know the whole picture so I actually luckily had no rail travel planned end in February march of this year. I wanted to slow down so timing wise but I do feel for people who have honeymoons trips of a lifetime plan and now have to deal with this real threat of this virus. Let's end it on a on an aviation geek note. So these airlines are pulling off seventy seven zero eight three fifties from China Service Service. Can we see these big wide body jets now being put on popular routes like JFK to Atlanta and putting them in rotation on domestic routes outs. Now that this China capacity one day just fell off a cliff. Oh what a fun question right. Yeah Yo so I think you look at this. I think I think every scheduled planner right right now for one of these airlines has had probably one of the busiest four days of their lives. Trying to figure out what to do all these planes and I think honestly they're still trying to sort that out for themselves but what I expect to happen and you know our reporter and we're Russell has a great story on this that we just put up on the points this guy website you know they. I would expect several things happen. Some of these planes are going be put into maintenance wherever they can be scheduled in. It's not as easy as just stunning to facilitate they get maintenance. These things are scheduled out foreign advanced. But a does open some flexibility there. So that's possibility you're going to see some why bodies on unexpected groups like Dallas to L. A. or possibly New York Atlanta. They're going to be unpredictable. You suddenly find yourself with all these spare wide-body planes on short notice. Is there a little hard to weave into the schedule. But if an airline knows has oversold flights from Dallas to lax a week out it certainly becomes is a possibility so they're going to be hard to spot. You'll be delighted if you're one of those flights and suddenly you find yourself on a dreamliner or triple seven. Especially if you're upgrade clears until I flat but that's going to be interesting to watch to see what really happens to see them all parked in desert somewhere but how the airlines choose to incorporate into their existing schedules on first scheduling perspective. What short notice will be fascinating to watch and on a final note so the airlines have been posting record profits you know Delta just shared one point eight billion with their employees profit sharing this outside of just China capacities is going to have ripple effects across the travel industry should should the airlines be concerned is a big enough deal that could bankrupt? Maybe an airline. That's already on shaky ground Norwegian. It's not good news right. Yeah I think so I think right now. It's a little too early to say where I would have some concerns down the road. Is You have a lot of small small regional or mid sized regional carriers in Asia. That have a huge exposure to China or Chinese base. Your the State Owned Airlines Airlines of China may have some avenue for recourse that other airlines might not but I would be more concerned for some of the regional airlines in in Asia and that only depends on how far how long the corona virus situation last four airlines in Europe or the Americas. My sense at at the moment is that this is clearly going to have an impact on the bottom line. I don't see anyone being in those regions being so vulnerable that this pushes them over the edge edged. But let's be clear. Airline is going to make more money because of this and we are going to see probably a relatively long tail or demand to rebound down once corona virus end. So yeah this is going to be a financial impact for the airlines and at least for those in in Europe and the Americas I don't think it's going to push over the edge. But let's keep an eye on those earnings. As as this drags on what's end on a passenger focus what advice would you have for passengers who might be traveling internationally. You know there's tons of checks that are being put into place. Now would you recommend people book monger layovers show up to the airport earlier your or bring their own blankets on planes you know. Do you have any advice for travelers. Who are to have no choice but to travel internationally? Fighting all of those are great questions. Questions you know it's it's my other. Half is on his way to Argentina for a business trip and and needless to say Dallas US Buenos Aires is not one of the route stat. Krona virus comes top of mind. But you don't know who else is going to be in the plane you don't necessarily know are also have been so will do whatever makes you feel comfortable masks if you need to which we had a big order of asks come to our house the other day for the flight have some disinfecting wipes to clear down your seat just to minimize the risks. And you know I think the health experts have it right like any other virus. There's a lot you can do to avoid being in exposed. Wash your hands. Avoid touching your face Without washing your hands that type of thing you know. I know. We've got a lot of great advice on the point sky for how to travel with health in mind as the crow viruses here so just listened to the health experts and if there are things that make you feel more comfortable if it's bring your own blanket do it at at the very least to have peace of mind just curious your your partners flight. Were there any precautions or did they have screening for passengers. Even though it wasn't an Asia related flight just curse if there was anything out of the ordinary since next week we have not heard anything. Yeah okay But we'll be able to give you a report. Once it happens. We'll we'll be writing about it at the points. Dot Dot Com. Thank you so much for joining us and giving US insight into the industry and sharing your invaluable tips. Thanks Brian I appreciate it. That's it for this episode so of talking points hopefully founded informative as we try to sort through this glut of information on all things grown virus I know my key takeaway is that I am. I'm going to disinfect. My seats which I historically have been too lazy to do and maybe felt a little invincible. That oh I'm sure since I fly so much I have built up a resistance to anything but clearly that's not the case and I think that's a smart thing we're all Gonna learn from. This is to better take care of ourselves especially the traveling huge thanks to Dr Lee from headline media and to our guests from. That's it for this episode of talking points safe travels everyone.
NPR News: 02-07-2020 9AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Korva Coleman the US economy gain two hundred twenty five thousand jobs last month and the unemployment rate edged slightly higher here to three point six percent as more people came back into the labor force. NPR's Chris Arnold reports that's the latest word from the Labor Department. The job gains were better than expected. Most analysts have been predicting a gain of around one hundred sixty thousand jobs revisions to the prior. Two months showed a modest gain of seven thousand jobs more than previously reported. Ed analysts. Say the stronger than anticipated job needs. We're probably due in part to warmer weather in January which helped homebuilders and other construction overall. Construction saw gain of forty four. Four thousand jobs said the underlying labor market might not be quite as strong as the headline number suggests manufacturing declined with the loss of twelve thousand jobs. Wage gains data belt where they've been in recent months rising three point one percent from a year ago Chris Arnold NPR news seven candidates are preparing for the Democratic presidential debate. Debate tonight in New Hampshire. It comes Iowa. Democratic officials say they have counted all the tallies from Monday night's caucuses Pete Buddha judge and Bernie Sanders are are in a virtual tie but the Associated Press has not called a winner pointing to irregularities in the caucus count. There is an outpouring of grief nine in China following the death of Chinese doctor who tried to alert officials to the growing corona virus. There's also anger over how Chinese leaders handled his case case. NPR's Emily Fang reports the online tributes of also triggered censorship as some posts were deleted as quickly as they were written. Dr Lee when young was part of a group of eight doctors reprimanded last year for quote spreading falsehoods about the new corona virus. He is now seen as a hero. And the Hashtag I want freedom. Freedom of speech began trending on social media platforms within ninety minutes of his death early. Friday all those posts were quickly deleted by sensors. NPR's Emily Fang. President trump says says a US military operation in Yemen killed prominent al Qaeda leader linked to attacks on US targets NPR's Greg my reports the al Qaeda leader recently. They claimed responsibility for the deadly shooting at a military base in Florida in a statement. President Trump said he ordered the strike that killed the al Qaeda leader in Yemen. COSIMO Murimi Karimi for the past several days reports of such an attack had been circulating but there was no official word on his condition and last Sunday al Qaeda released an audiotape tape statement by our enemy he claimed the group was behind the December shooting at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola which killed three. US sailors US officials. I have not said whether they believe the al Qaeda claim. I'll re me has been accused of attacks on US targets dating back to two thousand eight and the State Department was offering ten hin million dollars for information on his whereabouts Gregory. NPR News Washington you're listening to NPR news. The researchers in Israel have managed to grow date seeds rather trees from seeds that are two thousand years old. The trees could soon produce fruit recreating creating the taste of antiquity. NPR's Dan Charles. Reports archaeologists found the date seeds that produce these trees at various sites in Israel. Scientists grew grew a tree from one of them more than a decade ago named it. METHUSELAH METHUSELAH cannot produce fruit by himself them because date palm trees are either male or female it takes both to make a date now the same scientists are reporting in the Journal. Science advances that they've grown six more trees from these ancient seeds and two of them are female now when those trees flower and are pollinated they could produce fruit. That's just like dates. That were famous during the Roman Empire Dan Charles. NPR news the suspect accused of killing twenty two people at a Texas Walmart. Last August will now face federal hate crimes as well. Federal prosecutors have announced ninety ninety new charges against the suspect. He reportedly claimed to Texas police that he was targeting Mexicans last October. He pleaded not guilty to state murder charges ages and if convicted could face the death penalty the National Weather Service says the winter storm that brought thunderstorms snow and ice. Two parts of the East Coast. Yesterday we'll get stronger. Stronger today in the northeast heavy snow and dangerous winds will descend on the region. The Associated Press is reporting that at least five people have been killed in weather related incidents these range from Alabama to Tennessee. I'm Korva Coleman N._P._R.. News from Washington.
Hitchhiker's Guide To The Coronavirus
"Welcome to your Go-to podcast for all things viruses. Vegetables and vice presidents are Matt Holloway and Unfortunately Michelle is out this week. She is at home recovering from the flu and she will be back next week. So your get one hundred percent unfiltered meet today and I'm going to be talking about. How the corona viruses affecting public health and the food industry then later joined by the hilarious comedian preacher loss in and we talk about get punched in the face so stay tuned about to give up. What is up mother Fokkers? It's J. B. Here boy and I'm sitting Solo for today's episode. This is usually the part of the show where Michelle is sort of again and see what antics the other one has been into lately. But like I mentioned at the top of the show. Michelle is actually out this week. She was traveling last week and she caught influenza. It's not corona virus. She went to the hospital got checked out. She was treated and released back into the wild like the animal that she is now. Normally Michelle would do her food and history somewhere around here and then go on to talk about. This week's most recent food recall this week. I thought I would take the chance to talk about public health. And more specifically the outbreak of corona otherwise known as co vid nineteen You guys are obviously familiar with our show. We try to bland food and humor in politics and culture. So what's happening right now with the virus? Is this weird perfect VIN diagram. The kind of touches on every corner of our show we cover the origins cove in nineteen Few episodes back. But here's a quick refresher. This virus was traced back to Wuhan. China we're open air or wet markets are pretty common. You welcome to go ahead and give you google search and see for yourself. The conditions in which live animals and carcasses or stored and sold in incredibly unsanitary conditions. And this is in part due to the LAX regulations on food handling in China and It was also responsible for the SARS outbreak. Nearly twenty years ago health officials have traced cove in nineteen wild animal. There was being sold at Wuhan. Wet MARKET SO FLASH FORWARD TO TODAY NEW CONFIRMED CASES OF CORONA virus popping up all over the Goddamn Globe outside of China as of this recording. This is the first week of March and twenty twenty. There have been over. Eight thousand confirmed cases in over three thousand. Those have resulted in death. Initially China's government handled the beginning of the outbreak. Pretty fucking poorly back in December. Dr Lee Win Lane posted a warning on we boo which is China's equivalent of facebook saying that he had noticed seven cases of the virus that were similar to SARS four days later the Public Security Bureau summoned Dr Lee to sign a document admitting that he was making false statements that would disturb public order a month later. Dr Lee was diagnosed with Kovic nineteen and week after his diagnosis. You pass the way. That's Bahraini official. An advisor to the ayatollah has also just perished Dude Cove in nineteen but Francis has recently fallen ill and he just cancelled his fourth consecutive day of events. The point being this is a global pandemic now more than ever we turn to our institutions. That are supposed to safeguard us here at home in America. President trump has downplayed the outbreak. Saying it's just going to go away. One day he also contradicted his own health officials just moments after their briefing saying that we should expect to see more cases trump took to the podium and announce that he expected the cases to drop to zero very soon even in announcing the first confirmed death of US citizen a man in Seattle president trump mis identified the victim saying she was a wonderful woman. Trump appointed mike pence to oversee the outbreak management here in the US which is concerning on. Its face Mike. Pence does not believe in science in two thousand one. When pence was running for Congress he spoke out against regulating the tobacco industry by saying quote despite the hysteria from the political class and media smoking doesn't kill unquote now the CDC lists smoking as the leading cause of preventable. Death in two thousand and two pence was on a panel within Secretary of State. Colin Powell discussing effectiveness contraceptives pence save quote. Frankly condoms are very very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases. The only true safe sex is no sex contrast lead the World Health Organization says condom significantly reduced the risk of STD's and a two thousand seven nonpartisan study showed abstinence only programs have little to no effect on teen sexual behavior but probably the most recent alarming mismanagement of a public health crisis. Underpins was in two thousand fifteen when he was governor of Indiana in the state had its worst. Hiv outbreak due to needle sharing the highly recommended. A clean needle exchange program. Governor pence was strongly against this and after two months pass and the outbreak worse because absolutely nothing was being done state health officials and the CDC called a private meeting with pins urging him to initiate a clean needle. Exchange Penn said that he will go home and quote prey on it. Okay so a couple of days later. Pence reluctantly issued in order for. Clean Needle Exchange. Now personally. Don't have a lot of confidence in our government's ability to handle a public health crisis. Like this I mean. Trump lies about literally everything last September. He modified a map with a sharpie to show hurricane. Doreen path headed towards Alabama because trump had incorrectly said that the state was at risk. He doesn't just lie about minute. In easily disproven -able things like crowd sizes or whether he lies about conversations with other world leaders in something as serious as the slaying of the Iranian General Sulejmani which everyone feared with leaders into a global conflict justifying that strike by saying without any evidence that there was an imminent attack on the US more than his lies. He urges his officials to back up his falsehoods remember. When I said that he called the first man in the US dive krona virus. A woman by accident will the CDC had to fall on that sword. They released a statement saying that it was their fault that they had mis identified the victim. Not The president misspeaking. All this to say science doesn't give a shit if you believe in it or not. You can deny the law of gravity but I'll bet the your fucking feet touching the ground where the anti vaccine is right. Now like where y'all at the Anti vaccine is GonNa real quiet when they heard there was a global pandemic killed thousands of people. Suddenly they didn't have any opinions about vaccinations. Crystals and good vibes. Really don't mean Shit when something serious is happening and people like pants or ANTIBAC- is the might deny science when it's convenient for the personal beliefs still benefit from modern scientific and technological advancements like cellphones. Right now I'm speaking into a microphone. This plugged into a mixer this downloading the vibration of my fucking voice onto a memory card this the size of a coin. Those files are going to be uploaded over Wi fi onto cloud. We're our producer Sean. Who's in Colorado is going to download the file mixed the audio before he then reupped loads it to a server which broadcasts our weekly nonsense and Dick Jokes onto phones of tens of thousands of strangers. All around the world using fucking satellites the point. I'm trying to make is you can't deny science while simultaneously benefiting from it every day. If you don't know how a car works you still get in one. If you don't know how the train works you still write it. Cova nineteen isn't just exposing our leaders incompetence but some large societal issues for example most the people handling our food whether their field workers grocery store employees working in a restaurant or delivering food to your front door. This is an entire industry. That handles our food and these employees are grossly underpaid for the most part and a lot of them most of them don't have health coverage they also don't get paid time off so they're going to be more reluctant to miss work if they're feeling sick in most major cities have large concentrations of homeless populations. What resources if any do they have? When they're feeling ill. We're only as protected as the most vulnerable of us in a society. Now would be a really good time to make the case for universal health coverage or tackle serious housing issues that exists not just in cities but in rural communities as well look. I'm not saying all this shit to frighten you. But we should temper expectations before moving to Los Angeles Hurricane. Ike hit my home in Houston and we were without power over three weeks the year before that a very close friend and CO worker of mine contracted Zeka virus where I live in L. A. Now I'm less than two miles from firing and my neighborhood has been evacuated. This is like regular every fire season. We're just used suited this point. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a fucking scientists and I certainly wouldn't use the word proper but I have managed to safely navigate disasters in done so by staying informed and being prepared the. Cdc website is full of useful information. On how you can protect yourself and the updated regularly in the event of the outbreak gets worse which officials have warned us. It probably will or they're going to be calls for social distancing. You should be prepared to spend some time at home. Make sure that you got at least thirty days of Clean Drinking Water and shelf stable food we have a stocked. Pantry. Section. In each of our cookbooks and You know it's just like some things that you should have on hand. You should also probably stock up on some medications like fever reducers. Pd lights goods. Especially if you've got young kids try to keep some jigsaw. Puzzles boardgames on deck. And if you're feeling ill go to the hospital and please for the love of everything. Just wash your fucking hands. I went to the movie last week. A birds of prey. It was fun. Nice change of pace in the age of oversaturated superhero market. But it's not without. Its problems like black canaries. Ability to essentially screen people to death then Harley Quinn's case away unfazed in also where the fuck was Batman or anyone else in the Gotham cannon point being. I went to the movies in after the film went to go use the bathroom. There must have been like twenty guys in the men's restroom but only me in one other guy wash our hands and I don't know why men have just accepted that it's okay to touch you dick and then go touch door handle like in that ratio is war worse when he gets the airports by the way like men. Just don't wash their fucking hands ever yell at Nastiest Fuck you can bring a plague upon all of us is is. GonNa be men's fault. I'm calling it right now and I know y'all are probably thinking Matt. This is all helpful information. And you've managed to deliver it with the cadence that we wish our leader said but this is not really been comedy. Centric episode of forked up. Well I've got Comedian Preecha Lawson here with me today and we're GonNa make you giggle so stay tuned your guest. Today's comedian. You probably saw him on. America's got talent or you've seen his very popular youtube channel cooking with the comedian. Or you may have even seen him at your local comedy club. I mean he's always on the road he just got back off the road. He's fixing leave again in. It is a pleasure to have with me today. Preacher Lawson. Hey what's up man? I don't know if I was supposed to speak out to get us going is going to prison laws. It isn't that terrible host. Would I be you gotta do your own interests? Thanks for being a man. I know I know you've super-busy just got back off. The road came from South Dakota people up there also the statement. It's really cold we need. Do we need a north South Dakota do because there's a military base up there so we need a Bat Okay. But that's it okay. I'll know why people live up there. What are you doing? Don't call right SUCO? Yeah it was like. It was cold with the sun out. There was like snow but the sun was still on bipolar type cold. It was weird. You know but It was like I mean I'm no I didn't I liked performance. Yeah they were great crowd. Great people I think it's really good people up there but it just horrible weather nothing in La. There's whether or people yeah I love it and I won't take all people with his great whip. I guess I moved here from Houston fucking culture shock. You know for short on never GONNA like Houston has to extreme weathers. It's hotter than shit with one hundred percent humidity here or is so cold this Ohio Burston and it's like living in La. I'm never going to have to shovel sunshine out of the driveway. You know what I mean so I love it here right the culture here. I'll take it though I mean I I remember I remember you know. I know a lot of people think that people in La are fake. And I I think what it is. I mean that might be true to a certain extent but I think for the most part we have. We just have a goal like a lot of people come here their model rappers singers at whatever. They're trying to do something like okay. You can't help me out. Why am I gonNA hang out? You know so. I think it's just that mentality like you meet somebody and it's like oh who are you. Who Do you know? What can you do for he do for me to like? You know what you're saying. I kind of understand that because we all look my first relationship. When I moved out here filled immediately. It was because my job. I was a production assistant and I was working like sixty seventy hours a week. Making fuck off money and she was just like you never home and like we broke up because of it. I mean I was one of many things but it's like I came out here to do this. Yeah I didn't come out the day. Yeah and I come out to be in a relationship. That's why a lot of relationships don't work out a lot of relationships like okay. You gotta be within. You GotTa be helped me out somehow. You can't be around you. You gotta be you know within the same. You know John Rav art form. Whatever I'm doing. Yeah so it's like an privilege my career in a way where it's not just your my girlfriend by someone who understands like entertainment hours track exactly and they. Yeah they can't like okay. I get what you're doing and I know I'm GonNa see when you get back by you know but yeah man. That's why I'm single now. But yeah so are you from La originally. No I'm from Memphis Tennessee. Okay I I was born in Portland Oregon. No I'm not I'm here but my home is like Orlando like I've been. I'm all over the Place de so I just yeah move around a lot but I will say my well. I'm from Memphis Tennessee. So I kind of get the whether you're talking about in Houston as far as it being like super cold or super hot or having like this is like black ice. Yeah yea and there's like nine days out of the year that it feels like La. That's it you know yeah. It's usually crazy humid man like Iceland. Florida desk humidity. I don't know how people will mob. I mean Wolf Tabs bid to be fair it is is La Weather Except with you know it gets when it gets towards the summers crazy humidity. But it's La weather with little bit with rain Role in real. It was stopped though. You know Iran really hard For ten minutes. Yeah and then. They'll stop so it's like weird. But if I mean to be honest with you Florida's whether it's pretty is pretty Nice Florida Florida's nice culture that it is so like how people live their lives are all man. I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking my Florida. Okay Laura Different Florida's Arizona Florida. I think a muffler. Yeah everyone I don't think people they watch TV and they see all the snow. Florida crazy your showing. You thought Florida's gray forget. I'm thinking Orlando you okay. Yes literally I don't drink and even when I go back to the shows they always show me love but yeah Orlando. Florida is like they're crazy. There's there there there. Are Those every time. Something crazy happens is always always a Florida. Yeah they're the Russia of United States. Anything any wild shit. This one's doing anything has to do with firearms and blowing stuff up or getting arrested or some new drugs. Someone's face yeah Florida Florida but like so seventeen. Something clicked that you knew that you wanted to comedy. Yeah I just I will. I was writing jokes at like sixteen so I was just a huge fan of comedy so I was like writing jokes and I went to the stink. All Job Corps right. No jouko. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah so. I want to thank Job Corps. Now got a job when I was like seventeen and then I was trying to. I was going to college and I was like I guess I could go to college so I was just kind of like Figured out what I wanted to do and I just wanted to try stand up so I tried it and not that I did it. I was like oh I want. This is what I WANNA do. It almost didn't do it. I was so scared to get on stage that by the time they called my name up. They call the next person because they thought I was there. there was like Pooja Lauzon thirty give you like two and a half seconds. They gave me time. Yeah they call my name twice okay. Waited like nothing happened. And then they were like and then. My mom was in the back because I was walking on Stage Walker to the state walking so slow so scared and my mom's using a Bachelorette Ali right here right here. You will go away smart gas. Everybody right and I was like this is going to go bad and it was. It was bad. You know but they do. That's earn your straps. I think that a lot of people you you have more of an appreciation for entertainment like wow. I moved out. I was in me and a few other friends like. We're all writing. We write anything. We'd ride specs fucking sitcoms. It would never see the light of day and we all we get up on stage and try to. Do you know like a tight. Ten minutes in it open mic and just eat shit do standup. I mean I tried for how long year he stopped. No actually I got jobs writing only cool. I understand the difference. Now this is more performing live and I don't have the cadence in the beat and things with jokes on stage in front of a live audience to sort of reacting real time depending on how the audience is reactive. And I'm much better at sort of riding Shit. Yeah so that that's where I've found woodwork from one of the other guys man. That's good one of the other guys. He actually went went into comedy. He's still doing comedy so good. Yeah he's doing all right. I mean like he's if he's not successful as his fault. I okay is one of them. Yeah Yeah I know a lot of people like they're like crazy talented and it's like if you want to have it. Yeah it's like do comedy something. You got to do six nights a week stage. You know that yes. It is it. Is it time to? It's a slog. You guys like you get off. Stage one club yet. Go across town to the next club and try to find. It just has to be your life. Yeah you you really gotTa want to. Yeah as you start training in May and I saw that on the instagram fittest. Fuck Man. Well thank you very which is good for as a Vegan. So people will write. You are the I know. This is a food podcast. I'm we I'm talking about food. At how long have you been Vegan? I've been Vegan for. I guess two years three years. No meat okay. So but it's always cool to catalyst yet will the reason I became a Vegan. I mean it was. It was ethical reasons. You know I was I had a dog before I had a dog. Someone asked me if I was in China would idea dog and I was like I tried out. And then I said that and my co workers are flipping out. So how'd you Kinda what God is doubted? Where my y'all eat? Other animals dogs. Does the animal need to have what they eat over there and I was like I'll try. I mean I I wouldn't eat it now. I mean I just. I've seen this here is saying that people like Walli chicken is like okay. Would you eat a pigeon like a like a pigeon? Exactly the bird but people would be wouldn't do it right but that's a perfect example. So so I remember thinking that I just didn't I didn't get it and then I remember one time is Kinda messed up but I remember. I remember this one one of my coworkers and she was like freaking out. She was crying because her her tiny dog was attacked by like some giant dog. Whatever okay well she was telling me that I just would I could. I was trying so hard not to laugh. I don't know why but I it was just a funniest thing when she showed me a picture of both dogs. I'm like why would you let the dog near that? I just thought it was fun. I was trying to lap right. I remember thinking like was it was wrong with you and then I was like. It's just a dog and I got a dog and I'm always like your kid totally. You mean like it's like a kid so I was like why people freak out when I was talking about eating the dog and that's why they were mad at me when I was like. You know you're looking dog. You talk six parents on that exact dog. Maybe we're talking to give me give me some meets on muscle then I then I got a dog and I was like know as a okay. It's kind of like a kid and then I I remember You know that kind of planted the seed for me and then You know I remember when I was. I was in Seattle. I was Seattle and I was watching a documentary. My ex and it was like they were like using. The elephants were murdering elephants for their tusks. Yeah yeah sucked up. Elephants are all becoming extinct because it is just for the tax to eating. Meat Aren't even know that So it's like it doesn't make sense. Conservationists is they'll go out and though a DART elephants and Rhinos and bill Like died the Tusk the specific color so that US's elephants walk around giant pink neon green tusks and as because it makes them worthless but the leave him on the animal. Oh so that's also a poacher. Is going to go kill that animal and try to solve that shit off. It's worthless because because it's this weird die. So wow that's really cool yeah. There's a lot of conservation efforts. They're doing really Dope Shit and I always joke on the on my. I just WanNa make enough money doing this. The docking quietly like my side job. I just WanNa go and become like a poacher poacher like I like a gun and sometime in the woods and I'm going to find the people who don't go poach those dudes poacher poacher. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah so so we watch documentary and I remember watching it is. I mean this is so messed up that they killing these animals exploiting these animals for the TUSK wing. I can't believe yeah birth. Then I was like I'm doing you know. And I miss him do vegetarianism. Pat and his name is Pat and Pat Birger median and he was vegetarian and vegetarian. He's like you know. Oh man did a commercial with animals and I felt bad so I stopped eating meat and I was like. I can't do it because I I was making protein and I just didn't WanNa do it. You know what I mean like. We don't want to you know all the reasons exactly. Yeah so I was like I don't WanNa do so. I tried it out and of course I was doing it. Trash fries and pizza main like ours. Insuring rash look. You can be Vegan and live off like beer and French fries exactly and then people think will people think I mean. I think it's a healthy diet. It's like people my mom got on. And she doesn't take her diabetes medication in more. She don fantastic. Yeah so like diabetes. I don't even know okay. I just know she at like a farm Zena purse and she anymore but and she said it used to be like kind of bad but she doesn't take any medication anymore. That's fantastic. Yeah graver but I mean I is from every night of deride pine ice cream last night is like that much. That's so bad I. I know a unhealthy Vegan. So you're you're doing him and May I just? Recently I signed up for nutritionist. So I'm like cheating so I like I had her take a look at like two weeks worth of what I was eating issues like. This chaos like this is us as even read. Shit Pine Ice Cream and eleven clocking. You know man stuff like that. 'cause you probably have exactly yeah. I'm just a little bit. I'm a go to sleep. And then that's it. What was it is GonNa do in the Fridge? Hell Yeah Yeah aside from being Vegan you doin IMI. Yeah and that's a great workout is really good workouts. It kills me but it like Africa missing. I feel like crazy fit like I remember. High ran off the wall. Shit I feel like I mean I'm a little smaller but as far as like my cardio and stuff like Iran Iran somewhere too. 'cause I was late and when I got there I was breathing. Hard got asthma. You know what I mean do I asked me. Yeah so I remember when I was a kid. My Mom told me. She's like if you work hard enough. You can get rid asthma. And she's lying. She was lying east. And I'm so I'm like I'm working off. Told me if she would have told me that I couldn't work it off and I have asked for my life. I don't think I'd be in good shape. You know what I mean. It's kind of like Einstein when he said if you judge official artist building. I mean everyone's a genius but if you judge a fish on his ability to climate trees GonNa believe his whole life is stupid right. You know I think my mom I mean. Even though she was lying to me it was a good lot. I started working out and then I feel great so like yeah is like is but the reason I brought up in May is because we were talking about how. You can't have do something this people in there that training the GM dislike. This is what I do. I mean and it's like comedy exactly. You can't just be like I'm a comedy kind of you can kind of do anything by because it's going to be trash you know you'll see a lot of people that actually might they might blow up from doing something and then they have opportunities because they're more well known venture out to all these other things which is great but then like suffers because they're doing so much they're spreading south so thin. Yeah you gotta be like good it like one thing fucking trash like five things exactly exactly like I see that shit on instagram. Like the BIOS will be like. Oh I'm a fucking content producer. I'm a writer I'm an actor and this is like you don't do any that. Well Yeah you don't do it. You might have experienced doing those things. I'm not saying you don't but I don't feel like you make a living doing one exactly. Yeah yeah so I mean you gotTa have like unless you have like a system and if you notice like these billionaires and people are doing soup they have people working under them Doing the work and they're kind of more of the face of it like I have a cooking show on you to cook when the comedian. Yeah man appreciate a man but like people like how long you been shift. It's like I'm not breath on shift as well as a comedian. I'm a comedian cooking. That's it don't call me a chef because I'm not you know I just I'll I'll look up like ten different recipes and then I'll you know ruin all of them and then I'll find something that I like in the like. I'm not a stiff you. I'm a comedian because let's say that about us too and I'm like no that's like saying Dr. I wouldn't don't call me sheriff. We're we're home cooks but some legit y'all like but it's another level like I tell. My kitchen is like dollar tree level. Jog y'all up there. You know what I mean. Well I mean it takes time and we try to tell people like I you know. I started going Vegan around the time that we did the book. So I'm kind of on this journey alongside the audience shows what you've been two thousand and thirteen so seven years now. Oh cool man. Yeah Oh my gosh. Because I didn't I was like I thought you were Vegan. But you're talking to me. I was always not known about is but that's just it is. I don't want like you were saying I don't want just that one part of my personality kind of be the only part. I think that there's a lot of people and it's you know good or bad Being Vegan is such a cornerstone to who they are and it's the same with like cross fit. It can be the same year and it can be incredibly alienating when you meet somebody and you're like on this type way. I live my life Cordingley and if you don't then I might look at you different. You know and that just immediately for me. is off pudding so. I'm very conscious of that when I'm here because I didn't. I don't I never talk about my fucking diet ever and it's always weird when someone's like. Oh yeah talked. He's Vegan Nice. Say That somebody come up to me now. And they're like Oh. I could never be Vegan. I didn't I don't give a shit I'm more I'm more. I'm definitely more pushy. Vegan you. I'm not pushy though. I'm not pushy. I love when you when I found when you asked me I was trying to tip to. I really don't want to offend him on me. I don't I don't want to offend but I don't WanNa thin. But like as a vegans like okay. For instance so. I posted a clip of me talking about. I think I was talking about the rain for And how it's being destroyed. You know from agriculture. And how you know you know the government. They're doing on purpose so they have more room so so yeah so they can have an exactly so. That's just kind of said that but I don't really. I don't want to be known as a vegan comedian. Yeah I mean I don't mean known as I WANNA B O. All he's going to you know what I mean something like that. Yeah so I do want so when something like that was happening or the Australian fires when scientists said that was going to happen I guess they already said it was going to happen. It's not crazy surprising. If you read you know what I mean so so I mean I was. I was talking about it and there's someone was like. Oh my gosh you know. This is great. You inspired me to be become vegetarian. So Nice yeah and it's but it's not Vegan but his vegetarian showers lightstone this impacts -actly. Yeah he went like being Vegan is easy when you start. It's hard in La. Where you you? And I live credibly. Easby VEGAN is super easy. So He's soupy is New York very easy in the main the main cities so I you know I was like I was like you know. That's super dope. You know I'm glad I can be some type of inspiration and then you have other people come. They're like all you know they're trying to leaner over and they're like. Oh that's great. You know watch dairy scary and this and that and you know they're trying to and then there was one Vegan bell was like that's not enough and I'm like ruining it. Yeah you're ruining it. Yeah because like you're just you're turning off is like people don't like to the hardest part of being Vegan is ten year Vegan. And telling them you don't think they're bad person when when especially if you do if apple reasons like if someone if someone asked me while Vegan I'm like I just WANNA earn animals. They think. Oh you think I'm a bad it's like I don't think that people immediately get defensive. And it's like it's sometimes unsolicited. When I'm talking to friends and family you know just be hanging out for like two minutes. You'll be okay. I had a salad the other day. And I'm like I don't care like I don't know why you sell dude at all time or they'll be like I tried to go Vegan that to what is that. It's like oh I was Vegan ones for like a couple of months. Okay like what is this conversation down like? I don't know what you want me to tell you. I don't think the vegans really getting their own way. I they all mean well you know in. Ideally Michelle have said this before. It'd be great if we could stop relying on Not just the pain. In slaughter of animals like fossil fuels and like plastics. There's a lot of things that we can incrementally get away from. It's not gonna be a giant switch overnight. I think Vegetarians are ten percent of the population. Vegans or less than one percent. Like the. It's it's slowly steering the ship. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to make a hard turn so I think we have to have realistic expectations for people and when you start that conversation like that person do the comments section. It's alienating somebody else who might be inspired by that to go. Vegetarian Vegan is probably going to keep it to themselves because they don't want that person jumping down the Fox. Yeah but it's just like anything anybody to anything is annoying anybody to to left to right and by religious by two you know what? I mean like those the same Vegan people. They're like you're not doing enough are the same people on the side of the street. You're going to hail you know what I mean like. It's same TABATA has energy. Yeah every group. Has that person anybody to anything. It's annoying and it's like you're GonNa you're all I mean they don't even get it. I mean it's I I've never seen I've never seen you know. Sewin- flip out on someone. They don't know the person that don't they don't know like okay. Yeah I'm I'm an excellent now jumping on my shit in the comments section. You miss some valid. All the MEXA measurements. Now think about it like they never had never started conversation punching someone in the nose like it's really annoying but Yeah so I tried to like try to like not but I'm like you. I'm a little more. I think a little more like militant though but I mean like most of our audience and people listening to this right now. They're omnivores are brand would not be successful as it is If only Vegan supported us there's not a vegans role in our omnivore audience. They tell us all the time. Like listen like you know. We're not Vegan. We'RE NOT EVEN VEGETARIAN. But three or four nights a week is a family. We cook a Vegan meal together and we have dinner into me VATS. The bigger impact is I would rather have a family of four eaten Vegan. A few nights a week then convert one person to be completely vegan because I think that that is reducing more animal consumption. And you know what after they do it they just feel better so it's like it's like you just want to like me. I wasn't like I'm been Vegan for a little over a couple of years but I was vegetarian for that. You can't like it's not easy transition. I try to be Vegan so when you made that transition did you get any pushback like Niko from Texas and telling them back home. I'M GONNA be Vegan like so. Did you experience any of that? I didn't walk especially especially being a man feel for some reason emasculating. Don't understand why yeah I remember. I told I told my middle brother. My oldest weren't as gay and I told him that I was Vegan. He goes you too. I was like that's not how it works old. Don't eat meat. I'm the least so. Yeah but I mean people. Yeah for some reason when you know. They say they They call you so boy boys or whatever and I don't know I for me. I'm luckily I don't have any family members in Memphis live all my family's in Oregon okay in Portland Oregon. Which is the Vegan Fish? It's a there used to egoism but yeah I do I do like if I post above. Veganism I'll lose followers now. I mean I'll lose followers. I know but it's like I mean I I I remember. It was like the meat. I thought it was annoying. I'm just not big as we're not so it's like I don't WanNa see that unlike. Yeah you're not too far removed from it. The understand why people have that mentality you post something and say something and then just like I. I think a lot of it is also a Miss Education I don't know in so we started doing this professionally. I didn't know how to fucking Cook. Like Oh and I didn't know what was nutritional for me or not. I didn't know what to eat after workout like fuck. I'm thirty four now. I have a health brand. I'll go work out and then eat a Jimmy Johnson. Crush three beers like there's chaos like feel not now. I feel good I've been. I've had a pretty disciplined diet for about the last week Doing about like essentially. Every meal is just like Two Cups of Greens whatever. Greens want leafy Greens Broccoli or cauliflower. Or something like that and then about eight ounces protein so you know beyond chickens Ted I feel fine you know. The workout has improved. I'm trained for La Marathon right now but like boxing mostly for Cardio. Oh my breasts. Boxy white yeah and a lot of the castor if you look at like just boxers physique newly will live weights man. You're there like all your but like we have in our Jim. I'm over at West Boxing Club. And they have three golden glove champion there right now and like though be training and they're ready for a fight but then two three weeks before the fight. Hey man like plant based Diet like what are you? What are you know my nutritionist? I don't listen to me. But yeah it's like they when they're trying to cut weight and they're trying to maintain their cardio. It'll change your Diet upright before fight all I didn't know that 'cause I did feel like when I was eating meat. I mean I felt like I mean also was working at a gym at the time but I mean I felt like Sean you know mean I just felt like I didn't have any endurance felt like I'd be. I felt like explosive if you think about like carnivores like I felt like a lion. You can't run that long ally power a lot of power and now I feel. I feel quick. I feel like yeah I felt like yeah exactly and I get tired during the day. I'm tired. I'm twenty five years old man while my time and then now I feel like I just feel I feel goodman preacher man. You're being so generously time Lee upcoming shows right. Yes yeah you're going to be in my hometown. You'RE GOING TO BE IN HOUSTON on March twelfth through the fourteenth and then you go into Portland The twentieth through the twenty second Sir and in your third city is Landau going to Orlando Sharmila. Landau I mean this is like the greatest of all time because I'm doing homecoming by the door. So in Orlando Twenty seven through twenty knife. I know we didn't talk a lot about comedy man. You're so fucking funny bank and everything you're doing right now. I just can't wait to see more of it. Yeah so thanks for being here I appreciate it.
Episode 6: Special COVID-19 Episode: Whistleblower from Wuhan
"They will be listened to. We wouldn't have seen this virus escaped. Welcome to episode six. The great fail a podcast that examines the greatest success. Stories and they're spectacular fails would lead to the demise of the most prolific people brands and companies. I'm your host Deborah Chan and this week will be doing a special corona virus episode on the whistle blower from groupon. It was Friday morning and one of the coldest months of the year and Wuhan China behind the fog of this cloudy morning hit the eminent rain that was headed towards the city and Dr Lee Win. The and was arriving to the local police station as he was summoned. They had been waiting for him. The Wuhan Police who had approach Lee a bit too fast and close for his comfort before one of them spoke. There were many questions being asked but most of what we remembered. Accusatory awards being thrown around words. Like false statements disrupting social order an illegal activities but any logical rebuttals on his part would not have a place because the words became lodged in his throat the throat that was wedged by the time that just a second ago was at the wayside of another cop there was more screaming this time directly into his face and several officers administering into him a fear. That was intended. This occurred for about an hour before a document was presented to Lee. He adjusted glasses. That were knocked crooked from his face and read it carefully. The document had loosely translated into the following on the third of January twenty twenty. I Li Wen Liang plead guilty to making false comments to the public and severely disturbing the social order with regards to spreading rumors about acute respiratory illness. That was becoming viral and highly contagious. There weren't any real alternatives the encumbered Lee hunched over. This piece of paper and slowly signed. It felt like to him. The fate of thousands of lives. Welcome to the story of the whistle blower from behind who made his warning public on December thirtieth two thousand and nineteen and died from the virus. He warned everyone about forty days later. It was December thirtieth and Lee. When Liang a thirty four year olds? Opthamologist was working in the city center of the Wuhan Central Hospital when he noticed seven patients with symptoms that were similar to SARS. The virus from the global epidemic of two thousand and three SARS stood for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome and exhibited symptoms that included fever chills muscle aches and headaches and then would lead to a dry cough and shortness of breath. The patients at that time all seem to have one thing in common. They had all been at the one end seafood market in on. And it was speculated that this corona virus may have originated there this market which has now since close was considered the largest wholesale market in central China and has Wuhan was located so inland. This became a thriving. Outdoor bizarre that hosted over one thousand stalls spanning across seven football fields for the last fifteen years seafood was ushered in by the tanks and the murky waters weighed heavily on pavements and above clogs switches secreting foul odor of carcasses and the weeping sounds of caged animals on the exterior it appeared that most vendors were selling meats and seafood but behind the scenes in more hidden alleyways where the exotic game meats that were consumed as a symbol of Prestige on metal hoax for display were slaughtered peacocks and other foul placed for selection with further intact in all and then their cages upon cages of live animals like Fox and porcupines deer cats and dogs. Some looking like they were stolen as other people's pets and then there were more supposed- exotic wildlife like snakes and bats and though the site would not be for the faint of hearts will was equally disturbing were the conditions of the market. The accumulated waste a mixture of mold and scraps of intestines. Other unknown parts of animal remains as well as muddy debris excretion and the putrid stench that encase some of the dark alleys as a side note. My description of this doesn't even do justice in explaining how truly gruesome. The photos are but for those of you who really want to understand the magnitude of these rancid conditions. I will post them on the site and our social media with credit to the source on another side note there's been speculations that the corona virus may have accidentally escaped from the test tube of China's bio research labs which just so happens to be located in the city center of Wuhan like an experiment. Gone wrong scenario. That suspicion was further substantiated. When the People's Liberation Army's top expert in biological warfare was called into Wuhan at the end of January to help with the containment of the outbreak. Steven W mosher. Who's an author social science in advocate for human rights in China recently pens in your post article citing that that even the deadly SARS virus which was another manmade epidemic had accidentally escape from China's research labs because of a lack of safety precautions taken? I've taken a clip from world over as he talks about how he came to his Chinese BIOLAB theory. Well I connect the DOTS And and and the dots begin with this we know that China is a signatory to the nineteen seventy-two Bioweapons Convention. We know that it has been violating that convention ever since the ink was dry on that document so they do have an actual bioweapons program as part of that program. They've been collecting dangerous. Viruses including corona viruses from animals and from around the world actually been instances in North America in a Canadian lab in American labs of of Corona virus samples being stolen and spirited back to China. Where are those pathogens? Those dangerous pathogens being collected and studied there being collected and studied and the Wuhan Institute of Ironically it is the only level for lab in China. There's a level three near Beijing. This is the only level for the highest level of containment of dangerous pathogens. Exists in Wuhan? Now we know that there have been Viruses dangerous pathogens. That have escaped from Chinese Bilal before there were SARS. There was SARS EPIDEMIC. Back in two thousand three and then two more epidemics in two thousand and four. Why because the SARS virus escaped from the lab in Beijing and caused deaths and and many illnesses in China. So we know that the lab protocols are weak We also know that That that in the case of the epidemic. The beginning of the epidemic. The very epicenter of the epidemic is in the city of Wuhan. Only a few miles from the Wuhan Institute of China is a big country. There are three million square miles. Almost if it passed innocent from an animal to a human somewhere in China probably would have happened and she john or Tibet or anterior. Somewhere else fight. It happened right next. Door to the Institute of Virology in Wuhan probably because it escaped from the lab there and he discloses a very wild little known fact about the researchers from China's Biological Warfare Lab. And that is this that sometimes. When they were done with their experiments they would then sell their lab animals back to the street vendors to make some extra cash. Yup that's right selling these virus infected cadavers in the streets to be eaten up or slurped up in the soup. A Beijing researcher who is now in jail had made a million dollars reselling his monkeys and rats onto the live animal market. So whether this theory is true or not it's still leads us back to that market this market that has originated. Some of the world's most unique and disturbing dishes like bats which ironically is supposed to help with the respiratory ailments and marinated bamboo rats. Stuff with vegetables which allegedly is a good source of protein and high priced deer which in soup form supposedly has health properties like regulating metabolism and preventing in the past research has indicated that the SARS outbreak was thought to have been an animal virus that spread infected humans from the Guangdong Province. And so Dr Lee took two. We Chat China's most popular messaging APP to send his medical friends a message. There he alerted everyone of a similar outbreak and caution them to wear protective clothing and to avoid this infection and also to inform their loved ones privately within hours screen shots of his post went viral and much to his dismay. His name was left on for all to see at that moment. He had a hunch that things would not bode well for him and he was right less than twenty four hours later. Lee was interrogated extensively by officials on how he knew of the cases behind the scenes the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission issued an emergency notice about a series of patients with quote unknown pneumonia. That seemed to be linked to the market however the notice also heed the warning that any organizations or individuals are not allowed to release treatment information to the public without authorisation. Four days later he was summoned to the public security bureau where he was accused of spreading rumors and course by force to son in agreement acknowledging his wrongdoing. His admission to this guilt was published online and use as a poster child for what happens to those who dissent against the government. The Wuhan police proclaimed that they had taken legal measures against those who share rumors online. This police announcement was then broadcast across the countries. China's state television with an official statement that said the Internet is not a land beyond the long any unlawful acts fabricating spreading rumors. Disturbing the social order will be punished by police. According to the law and with zero tolerance Lee who is already fearful for his life was even more afraid of how his family would feel if he were detained. His fragile elderly parents his pregnant wife. It wasn't a burden that he could have them bear and he remained silenced returning to his life returning back to work feeling hopeless and helpless for the next two weeks that followed the Wuhan. Municipal Health Commission was the only source of updates on the development of the outbreak and at their helm was a veneer of silence. There were no new confirmed cases of the spread. The even went so far as to maintain that there was no obvious evidence for human to human transmission stating that this was preventable and controllable and that there was no risk of infection to healthcare workers but the silent com would soon be the storm that would wreak havoc to the rest of the world the contradiction of how they were currently no dangers of exposure and contagion to healthcare workers was deafening blow especially to leave because he tragically caught the virus from the patient's on January tenth twenty twelve coffee feverish Lee was admitted to the hospital. Two days later and his condition began to rapidly deteriorate so badly he was admitted to the ICU. And given oxygen support it would be more than two weeks later February. I twenty twenty that he would officially test positive for the corona virus to put the time line contacts lease sent his first warning on December thirtieth and for the first week of January officials from Han continued to insist that only those who came in contact with infected animals could catch the virus. It would be many days later. That on January seventeenth. That Wuhan would publicly. Report forty-one cases of the virus and then three days later the number would soar to almost two hundred on that day. President Xi Jinping addressed the corona virus for the first time publicly ordering resolute efforts to curb the spread and stressing the need for real time information but by then. The public was already outraged by the mismanage handling of the outbreak. Those who are acutely aware that heating too early warnings could have saved countless lives in late January before his death Lee broke his silence in an interview with the New York Times and said the words that weighed heavily on the people of China. If the officials had disclosed information about the epidemic earlier I think it would have been a lot better here. Is Isabel Hilton from China? Dialogue speaking to BBC on China. And they're handling of Dr Lee's warning. This is what China does China increasingly seeking to control what people know and that was the problem in the beginning. You know if Dr Lee it'd be listened to the beginning if the authorities had acted in the beginning we wouldn't have seen this virus escaped from all over China and then internationally and now you know however draconian measures taken i. This is essentially shutting the stable doors so people like Dr Lee who were sanctions. I mean having been interviewed by the police. They had to confess to spreading movements. Which is which can find their sentence in China You know this is. This means that that that what government is most afraid of is information. That is inconvenient as Stephen. Mosier cited in his article rather than transparency. What we saw was deception on multiple levels with several party leaders officials conspiring to bury the outbreak. And downplayed this simple pneumonia. While cremating bodies prior to proper autopsy. They limit the number of corona virus test kits that hospitals were provided so they could diminish the number of proving cases and then they would deliberately under report the number of deaths while keeping the crematorium furnaces going day and night to destroy evidence of their deceit. The great fail of preventing Dr Lee's warning to the rest of China has led to a widespread pandemic that US cause chaos and erosion to our global markets questioning the adequacy of our healthcare system in governing parties and testing our humanity. At the time of this recording. We are still very much in the midst of uncertainty and with each pressing day we will encounter just how fragile biard in how vulnerable our ecosystem is. This wasn't the censorship of one person in China that affected a country. This was a trickle down effect of irresponsibility and the negligent distribution of knowledge. That has led to an anarchy beyond borders. There were reasons. I struggle with doing this episode primarily not wanting to contribute to the sheer terror and panic of the uncertainty of the pandemic spread of Cova nineteen nor did I wanted to diminish the seriousness of what was cascading on such a global scale but the corona virus is an issue that is on our minds constantly if not thrust upon us by the media than by the moments of our day when we start to notice just how many times we do touch our face or the hesitation shaking new hand or an old one even squirming at the site of doorknobs and then scrubbing her hands. A bit too hard when we're alone in their arrests rooms perhaps if not for the silencing of Lee we would not be facing one of the worst disasters of our lifetime with the stock market expected to be in more dangerous institute thousand eight financial crisis seeing the volatility of oil price. Wars Airlines expecting thirteen billion dollar drop in revenue this year. Italy placing quarantine measures on its entire population businesses dealing with the loss of revenue and disrupting supply. Chains Judah China's factory shutdowns companies like Apple Jaguar Nike HP and a host of others already forecasting the tremendous impact. This will be having a missing their revenue targets the growing list of canceled or postponed events south by South West Coachella March madness all major league sports teams announcing suspended games the closing of the Chicago trading floor and the slowdown of the global growth essentially wiping trillion dollars off the value of the world economy. At the time of the recording. There has been one hundred sixty seven thousand confirmed cases and almost sixty five hundred deaths worldwide. This episode is not just about the financial markets or the pervasive spread of the virus. But also how intertwined events and people are like how one voice or the stifling of one's voice can affect the outcome of so many. We're dedicating this week's episode to the doctor who was credited as being one of the first to upon his discovery. Try to warn the public about the corona virus in the early days of the outbreak. This is the great failure of outside forces that prevented Dr Lee from alerting others and saving lives. I think the majority of the people think as the here up China so I'm so proud of him he he told people truth end of December and then it passed away as in the second day and Iwan and some cities and be held. I sought more new memory and just threes the the the the mobile form on the light. Show this for a couple minutes and then go back to work not thinking about the death. A base oppose the lease. He'll including me. This is Chinese Daca. I suppose majority of tiniest dot com to like him. The story of Lee and the photo of him in the hospital bed will go down in history as one of the most prolific moments during the corona virus serving as a symbol of freedom of speech for China. China's heavy-handed stance on censorship prevailed so excessively that even during Lee's final moments the authorities ironically claimed ownership to the fact of even when he took his last breath to this day. We do not know the time of his passing. It was first reported that on the evening of February six at ten PM news began circulating on China's social media. Lee had died at ten forty PM. China's state run tabloid confirmed on its twitter account that Lee had passed and then the People's Daily Communist Party's official newspaper posted their remorse on the news. These news announcements were later deleted less than two hours later at twelve. Thirty eight am Friday morning. The Wuhan Central Hospital released another statement seeing that lea hadn't died but was in critical condition and the doctors were trying to resuscitate him. Wuhan Central Hospital then officially announced that Lee died at two fifty eight. Am The state run newspaper however reported that. Lee's heart stopped beating around nine thirty pm the night prior during the confusion. More than seventeen million people watch the live stream on his status updates sometime between the reported death time in the actual death time. The middle of the warning around to an a tide of emotion swept over China's way. Bow Their version of twitter expressing the frustration of the announcement of Li's death and the handling of the news. One post read. You think we've all gone to sleep. No we haven't the HASHTAG. We want. Freedom of speech gained over two million views over fifty five hundred post within five hours. It was censored and shutdown. Thanks for listening to the great failed. Ah Program presenting only the best in failure team mint by spotlighting. The biggest business train wrecks of all time. 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NPR News: 02-06-2020 10PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer a day after his acquittal impeachment charges by the US Senate president. Donald Trump has spent a good part of today celebrating without any veneer of bipartisanship. I in a national prayer breakfast and later unleashing his fury at a special event at the White House. How's Bureaus Franko? ORDONIO says Moore was a big celebration. President trump walked down the hall of the White House is the Marine Corps. Band played hail L.. To the chief you know the White House kind of build this as a kind of victory lap and they've really unrolled all the spectacle that the White House has to offer. NPR's Frank O.. Or DONAS has it. Both events trump held aloft a newspaper with the headline acquitted as for the other side and the trump impeachment drama. The house managers are taking a more low-key oh key approach in an NPR interview will air tomorrow on Morning Edition Congressman and lead impeachment manager. Adam Schiff says while senators ultimately rejected the two impeachment charges against. What's the president? They were not the only audience. We had a jury of senators which was going to be a very difficult jury But we had the jury of the American people which was ultimately the the more important jury and shifts said House. Investigators still have not ruled out the possibility of subpoenaing other administration officials including Mick Mulvaney and Mike Pompeo. I would still like to hear from them but we have to make the decision about next steps in consultation with our caucus and our leadership trump earlier today referred to shift as a vicious horrible person a thirty four year old Chinese doctor who was among the first to raise concerns about the corona virus has died of the illness. NPR's John Ruiz reports China. China has now confirmed within twenty six thousand cases of the virus. And more than five hundred deaths Dr Leeann Leeann was an ophthalmologist at a hospital in Wuhan the city. Where the corona virus? The outbreak began lead originally told a group of doctors on a social messaging APP. In late December. The cases of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome had been confirmed for this He. He was reprimanded by local authorities for quote spreading rumors on Saturday. Dr Lee revealed online that he had tested positive. For Corona virus. There was an outpouring of support from people hoping he would pull through less than a week later. He was dead on Chinese social media. Dr Lee is being hailed as a hero for helping to sound the alarm about the outbreak John Rich. NPR News even with a hundred percent of the Iowa Caucus vote now reported to be in the Associated Press is holding off on declaring a winner. Peed Buddha Janjic Bernie Sanders will emerge with the most delegates no matter who is eventually declared the winner having each one at least eleven with a handful yet to be awarded. Meanwhile despite calls from Democratic Party leader Tom Perez re canvass to assure public confidence I will party leaders. Say the only do that. I've requested by the candidates. Stocks continued. You'd their upward March today. The Dow gained eighty eight points to twenty nine thousand three seventy nine. The Nasdaq was up. Sixty three points this is. NPR President Trump says the US has conducted a counter. Terrorism operation in Yemen. That he says is killed. Qassem arimi An al Qaeda leader. I'll romy had claimed responsibility responsibility for last year's deadly shooting at a naval air station. In Pensacola Florida were Saudi aviation train. E killed three American soldiers all romy as a founder of Al Qaeda Haida in the Arabian Peninsula. He's been accused of attacks dating back to two thousand eight. The State Department is offering a ten million dollar reward for information on his whereabouts hotter. Temperatures are causing dramatic decline in bumblebees across North America and Europe. That's according to a study in the Journal of Science and it's a big concern for the ecosystems. They pollinate is impaired. Lauren summer explains. Bumblebees are different than honeybees. They're bigger fuzzier and help pollinate plants that honeybees can't researchers at the University of auto found. They're struggling to cope with climate. Change looking at a century of Bumblebee records. They found that extreme. Temperatures are causing local extinctions. That's on top of other problems. LIKE HABITAT loss their results show in North America today. You're only about half as likely to see a Bumblebee. In a place that used used to live there are ways to help researchers say if you can plant native flowers and leave logs and leaves on the ground to provide shelter from the heat lauren summer summer NPR news. Virginia's governor declared a state of emergency is heavy rains and extreme flooding. Continue in the southeast. Tonight the state's Governor Ralph Northam saying within five hundred people the South Western part of agenda have been displaced by flooding with many needing to be rescued from their homes. I'm Jack Speer N._P._R.. News in Washington.
Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor.
"Coming up on five minute news Corona virus kills Chinese whistle blow a doctor. Hundreds protests Senate cover up on capitol grounds grounds and trump blocks new yorkers from joining global travel programs. It's it's Friday February seven. I'm Anthony Davis Chinese doctor who tried to issue the first warnings about the deadly corona virus outbreak has died of the infection. Chinese media say despite denials by the state broadcaster Li Wen Liang was working as an ophthalmologist Han Central Hospital. When he sent out a warning warning to fellow medics on December thirtieth police then visited him to tell him to stop as authorities tried to keep the news under wraps the viruses? Now killed more than five hundred sixty people and infected twenty eight thousand in China. The Corona virus causes severe acute respiratory infection. Washington symptoms usually start with fever followed by a dry cough. Most people infected unlikely to fully recover just as they would from a flu. The the opthalmologist posted his story on the way boo site from a hospital bed a month off to sending out his initial warning thirty four year. Old Dr Lee had noticed several cases aces of a virus that he thought looked like saws the virus that led to a global epidemic in two thousand and three on December thirtieth. He sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection. Four days later he was summoned to the public security bureau where he was told to sign a letter in the letter. He was accused of making false comments. That had severely disturbed the social order. He was one of eight people. Oh who police said was being investigated for spreading rumors local authorities later apologized to Dr Lee in his way bow post he describes how on the tenth of January. He started coughing the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. He was diagnosed with Corona virus on the thirtieth thirtieth of January. A number of posts on Chinese. Social media sites have expressed sorrow over his death. A tweet sent out by the state. Run People's Daily said Et. Dr Lee's death has sparked national grief. Most of the corona virus victims were over the age of sixty or suffered from other medical conditions according to China's China's health authorities. Dr Lee's medical history is not known moments after the Senate voted on Wednesday to acquit Donald trump hundreds of people from across the country stormed onto the capitol grounds with handwritten signs lines and bright orange. Letters lit up in lights that spelled out one word cover up some offered gratitude to the lone Republican senator the to Mitt Romney of Utah. Who defied his party to vote to convict trump on a charge of abuse of power alongside Senate Democrats waving signs? That said thank you. Senator Romney organizers and speakers trying to focus on the future the two thousand presidential election an upcoming Senate races today is a sad day. A devastating day said Representative Ion Presley. But we will recover. We will rebuild we. The people are a powerful tourists visiting the US Capitol Rotunda on Wednesday stops taking pictures of the busts and paintings on the ornate sandstone walls to take another oversight ten women who locked arms and demanded that senators vote to remove trump from office. The ten women were charged with obstructing the Rotunda. Honda Walkway a misdemeanor. It is illegal to protest in the building exulting in his impeachment acquittal. Donald Trump took a scorched Mr victory lap yesterday in a rambling hour-long speech unleashing his fury. Against those who tried to remove him from office trump triumphantly waving a newspaper front page acquitted denounced his political foes declared the impeachment proceedings disgrace and portrayed himself as a victim victim rather than a president accused of serious corruption that echoed broadsides hours earlier. That stunned the crowd at an annual prayer breakfast I was evil. It was corrupt. Trump declared at the White House. This should never ever happen to another president ever trump vintage about he's grievances against the impeachment process and ticked off names of the vicious and mean people. He felt had wronged him house speaker. Nancy Pelosi Intelligence Intelligence Committee chairman. Adam Schiff whom he called corrupt politicians. Mr Trump also described the justice department inquiry into whether his the two thousand sixteen election campaign colluded with the Kremlin as bullshit. The trump administration has blocked New York residents from joining programs that travelers used to quickly move through airport security and customs citing meeting new limits on federal access to state driver's license data aimed at protecting undocumented. Immigrants Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chant Wolf Wolf on Thursday announced the department will no longer let state residents sign up or renew enrollments entrusted travel programs which include Global Entry Nexus Century and fast effective immediately the TSA pre check program which covers domestic travel was not among those affected by the suspension. The Global Entry Program provides people arriving in the US with expedited passage through customs for five years following a brief background check interview with DHS personnel. The action was taken a day off after Donald Trump condemned so called sanctuary cities as a democratic scored. In the State of the Union address. He highlighted the arrest of an undocumented migrant in the recent rape and murder of an elderly woman in New York City. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP. Ask Your Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa. FLASH BRIEFING SCALE VISIT US online at five minute dot knees five five minute. News is an independent production covering politics inequality health and climate delivering unbiased verified and truthful World News daily.
Saturday, February 8, 2020
"President trump unleashed ten. Colonel Alexander. Vines job at the White House is over just two days after impeachment ended and now Gordon Sean Wednesdays Ambassador to the EU done to. I'm Scott Simon Lulu Garcia Navarro. And this is a first from. NPR news during a debate in New Hampshire fresh off a strong showing in Iowa. Pete Buddha judge on the offensive. If you don't go all the way to the edge it doesn't count politics. That says it's my way or the highway. Are you talking about Senator Sand. Just an outcry within China after a Wuhan Doctor Dies from the Corona. The virus said you social media to warn about the disease and then authorities reprimanded now angry citizens or online and the Chinese government is responding. Stay with us. We'll give give you the news. You need to start your day support for this podcast and the following message come from salesforce. A customer relationship relationship management solution committed to helping you deliver the personalized experiences that customers want salesforce bringing companies and customers together visit salesforce dot com slash. Learn more happy with you to be happy with it. I'm not and and within hours of those comments by President Trump on the south lawn yesterday security officers escorted. Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Van Madonna the White House. His twin brother also also on the national security staff was escorted out at the same time. Then it was Gordon sidelines. Turn to escort for him though. Sunland did issue a statement thanking King the president for the opportunity to serve as ambassador to the European Union Bozeman Sunlen provided damaging testimony about the president's pressure campaign on Ukraine. ooh Crane last fall during the impeachment. Inquiry we're joined now by. NPR White House correspondent Franco or donets. Franko thanks for being with us. Thank you reminders please. How damaging was a lieutenant colonel testimony before the House Intelligence Committee? Well Vince oversaw American policy toward Ukraine on the National Security Council. He listened in on President. TRUMP's July twenty fifth call with Ukraine President Vladimir Zilenski. He said he had no doubt that. Trump was demanding that Ukraine investigate former vice ice president Joe Biden in return for an Oval Office visit and being there testifying in his dress uniform. He struck quite a figure on television and ambassador. Senator someone well. Someone was one of the quote. Three Amigos who worked with Rudy Giuliani. The president's lawyer on Ukraine policy outside the normal foreign policy channels I was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes yes he famously said everyone was in the loop but his comments were also used by Republicans to defend trump. Sunlen said at one point that trump told him him that he wanted nothing from Ukraine. No quid pro quo. Franco is this retaliation. I mean the president of the United States made personnel changes. Yeah Yeah I mean. We saw President Trump's celebrating his acquittal. This week he was clearly angry and even spoke about vitamin and his brother with disdain. I asked John Gans hands about this. He wrote a book on the NFC called White House warriors. He said it's clear. Trump new people were watching but now feels as you noted earlier unleashed by the acquittal and wanted these three people gone. They all serve. Because you're the president so that is something that they all knew going into these jobs but it is still shocking to see you sort of personal animus personal retribution playing out As appears to be with these three public servants. It's not a surprise that Democratic leaders like House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer outrage. They're calling this shameful and trump week and what about the other career civil servants who testified in the inquiry. Do they still have jobs. Well there have been a flood of people who already laugh they include US ambassadors. Who worked in Ukraine? Such Marie Ivanovich and William Taylor but there are still still seven career officials who are still in their jobs. My colleagues and I reached out to their attorneys last night and as of now no changes to report just yet. NPR's here's white. House correspondent Franko or donuts Branko. Thanks so much. Thank you And to Manchester New Hampshire were Democrats met on stage last night to debate. Seven candidates Bernie Sanders Pete Buddha Judge Joe Biden Elizabeth. Warren Amy mclovin Jar Tom Steyer and Andrew. But the focus was on Bernie Buddha judge and Biden the three BS sanders and Buddha judge. The two top finishers in Iowa and and behind the National Front runner who's Iowa Caucus showing was fourth. NPR's Scott detro- is in New Hampshire and joins us now good morning. Good morning all right former vice president Joe Biden Fourth NYLA. He was probably feeling. I imagine some pressure coming onto this debate He had a lot to prove. What did you see on stage last night? Then he definitely feels that pressure his goal for for every debate up until now was to stand there and not make any news and he had a way different approach last night right off the bat very first answer. He criticized both Bernie Sanders and impede. Buddha judge the two candidates who essentially tied in Iowa starting with fact that Bernie Sanders labels himself a democratic socialist. I think that's the label that the president's GonNa lay on everyone running with Bernie if he's the nominee and Buddha judge is a great guy and a real patriot is he's a mayor of a small city who has done some good things but has not demonstrated he has the ability to and we'll soon find out to get a broad scope of support across the spectrum including African Americans. The TINO's Biden mixed it up all night. It's clear that his above the fray approach suddenly does not work when he's finishing in fourth place but he also said something very notable in that. First Answer Sir that he may do poorly New Hampshire as well and that is just a remarkable thing to say. When you're the candidate basing so much of your pitch around the fact that you're the most most electable? Well let's talk about former South Bend Mayor Pete. Buddha judge who did well in Iowa to the surprise of many. How much more scrutiny did he get last night? Pretty decent the amount. He got the front runner treatment questions from moderators and other candidates about his experience about his track record and despite the fact that the current president has a reality. TV background the fact that it's extraordinary that this mayor of a city of about one hundred thousand is among the front runners for the presidential nomination questions on the fact of does he have enough experience. Buddha Ludi judge was criticized by Elizabeth Warren and others for how South Men's police force treated African Americans. There was a disproportionate arrested on drug charges for African Americans compared pair to white people he was also questioned about foreign policy. That's an area where Buddha judge seemed very comfortable repeatedly drawing his time serving in Afghanistan one moment stood out to me when moderator David Muir repeatedly pressed Buddha judge on whether or not he would have ordered strike on Iranian General Qasem Sulamani like president trump. Did I'm asking if your your national security team came to you and presented you with the opportunity. Would you take strike. It depends on the circumstances it depends if there was an alternative and it depends what the different effects would be. That's my point. This is not an episode of twenty. Four this is a situation that requires that you actually evaluate the entire intelligence picture. All right. Let's know the other top performance Iowa Bernie Sanders was also criticized for voting against gun control measures in the nineteen nineties. He said he was representing a rural state and has has changed his mind and has always supported an assault weapons ban Scott with three days. Left to campaign in New Hampshire. What are you looking for because I would start with New Hampshire's ability to count votes on Tuesday night? Compared to start their dozen other candidate force himself or herself into the conversation. Or does the result in New Hampshire amplify Iowa and make this continue to be focused on people digestion Bernie Sanders does Joe Biden rebound. If he does have another poor finish as he seems to be suggesting he might what happens next. Does he start to fade before he gets to South Carolina where he thinks he's the strongest also turn out Iowa's caucus turnout. It was about flat from two thousand sixteen. Repeating 2016 is not any Democrats plan to win this presidential election. No and we do know over the course of a long primary season these in turn out numbers. Do Give us a pretty good sense of how energized or not energized parties basis. That's NPR's Scott detro- in New Hampshire. Thank you so much sure thing and for from on the campaign be sure to check out the NPR. Politics podcast The death of a Chinese doctor. This week has Chen China into morning. Dr Lee Win Liang tried to warn other medical staff about the corona virus last December. He was reprimanded by police for spreading rumors. And then he contracted the disease himself a few weeks ago now. Tens of millions of people in China are posting online tributes to him many using the song. Do you hear the poor saying seeing some off. Bang Raymond it. Is The music people who will not be slave again. It's called arms from the musical music about a Parisian uprising against a corrupt monarchy joined by by. NPR's emily thing in Beijing. Thanks so much for being with us. Emily thinks that song does never subtle message. Why Dr Lee's death Resonating with so many people people in so fiercely people need a hero imagine. Hundreds of millions of people have been isolated in their homes for the last two weeks. They're terrified that this invisible virus is going going to kill them or their loved ones and the reading news every day. That people are dying for want of care. Also my reporting reporting from many others has shown that leaders in Wuhan which is is the city where the disease began new from scientists at the virus is highly contagious resembled SARS and then they didn't do much until about three weeks later so for a lot of people in China Dr Really Represents this tragic every man figure who was suppressed by Chinese leaders. He also seemed like a really nice guy. Here's an interview with Chinese. Online outlet did with Lee's his mother the day he died the treasury by a woman a la. She saying Lee's father and I had pneumonia but we just recovered recovered tragically. Our son didn't make it. He was only thirty four. It's such potential and talent. He could never tell a lie. The circumstances of these deaths have also really angered people. People initially state media reported that her had given out and then the grief started pouring out online state media then deleted their own articles. Said actually no no no way. We've resuscitated heeded him. He's on life support that they had to issue the reports when he actually died when it was clear he wasn't going to make it and leaves behind a five year old son his wife is expecting. Can you give birth to their second child in June emily. Any response from the leaders of China. No apology they have not officially apologized. There are these. He's state media obituaries. lionize Dr Lee. As an upstanding and this is key loyal citizen authorities did say there are going to send the national supervisory sized re commission which is this infamous anti-corruption watchdog to one to investigate. Why the doctor was reprimanded in the first place but this outcry is a huge questioning of the city of China's ruling Communist Party? It's one of the biggest challenges that they're facing in the last year and they've actually had a really rough year. What would the protests in Hong Kong going on on this trade war with the US and so the Communist Party here is responding with a very familiar tool and that is massive censorship? When Dr died the Ra- millions of posts going up demanding freedom of speech demanding answers those were taken down within hours and I've spoken to several people on the record who social media accounts were suddenly sealed off off this week because they had posted or shared articles critical of how the outbreak was being handled there among tens of thousands that have been suddenly cut off a mentally? What's the latest Reported for Mohannad on any sign. The outbreak might soon be contained. No the number of cases is going up though the rate is slowing down. There are a lot of concerns though that this is because is there is such limited capacity to treat people and there are questions as to how many healthcare workers like Dr Lee were infected appears in Beijing. Thanks so much. Thank thank Scott. 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October 22, Hr 2 UNC President Andy Feinstein and Aims President Leah Barnstein
"This. Is Mornings with Kale northern. Colorado's voice thirteen ten. KFI. Aims community. College and the University of Northern Colorado had joined. With the aims to UNC program developed this last fall with the goal of creating more affordable and accessible pathways to higher education for people who might not have otherwise had previous opportunities seventy eight, thirteen, ten KFI, a thirteen, ten KFI K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail via the auto collision specialists studios joined this morning by Dr Lee Bornstein CEO and President of Aims Community College and Dr Andy Feinstein President of UNC. Dr Bornstein. Welcome to the show. Thank you. It's wonderful to be here good morning everyone and I appreciate your taking the time and Dr. Feinstein great to talk with you again as well. Good Morning Gail. I always love your intro music. Thank you so good good. We aim to please. You know you got to find those pockets of sunshine wherever you can speaking. Yes, speaking of pockets of sunshine, let's talk a little bit about the aims to UNC program dutch-born steamed start with you. Wonderful I'm here. Tell us a little bit about the aims to UNC program. Sure Well, we started this program. Last year was a pilot year and really what it is, it's A, we call it a transition program. We don't use the word transfer because really what it is is a is the dual enrollment program where students can be a student at aims and UNC at the same time so they have access to Clubs and organizations classes libraries at both institutions. And it's really designed to take away a lot of the. Paperwork bureaucracy if you will for students to simply continue. So that really increases their retention rates and their completion rates and with some wonderful success. So I could talk about it for hours but I'll I'll leave it at there. All right. You made the distinction between Trans Transfer and transition explained the difference in those terms and and why that's significant. So typically transfer is a left to the actual individual to move the process. Between institutions regardless, which institution. So if I wanted to transfer from aims to, UNC there's you know there's a lot of paperwork. There are meetings to have etcetera etcetera with the transition program. All of that still occurs but occurs behind the scene. So the actual employees administrators of both institutions have that accomplished for the student, the student doesn't really need to do that. So when you're a student of both institutions dual enrollment at the same time me being a student one day, I could be at Ames the next and that UNC easy transition. No, no bureaucracy. And isn't that a wonderful thing across the board? No bureaucracy. Unheard of we could apply that to so many topics. Targeting. Simple. Little. The whenever I hear K. to a student. So we want to take away those barricades. Yeah Dr Feinstein tell us a little bit about the genesis of the program and how this jury ship evolved and emerged well, Leeann I our friends and we had a lot of experience as president CEO of numerous institutions. And this model her and that she created when she was cooking community college in Arizona working with northern? Arizona University. And I was talking with her about, how can we strengthen our relationship with Ames and UNC share with me the story. And I was I was so excited about the paternity for students. At both institutions utilize both of our facilities experience both universities and finish up with basically two degrees. And give you an example I. Think we have about one, hundred, twenty, six students in the program right now we probably have I think fifteen students living in student housing. At UNC. They're going to you know events at least they were before Kovic it. Going to events on campus, and it really is just a wonderful opportunity for students to experience all the educational opportunities like really has, and that's really how it started in that conversation. How many students are currently participating Doctor Feinstein? We have about a hundred and twenty seven students in total in the program that are games right now, we actually welcomed in our first cohort to students that have transitioned to. You see it has twenty eight new degree seeking students, and we expect that to increase next year by about twenty percents. So in our goals to half approximately four hundred students in this program in the coming years and I think we're well on our way in our first year again, we have over one hundred, twenty, seven students. In the program right now. You. Know What I love about this program is that students can take advantage of the best of the best from the best of the at both aims and UNC and born teen talk a little bit about that and I love the fact that you've pioneered the very construct the concept of this program. Oh. Thank you Yes. Well, again, as I mentioned before what when we piloted it Arizona, we really didn't. Know what the outcomes would be really there was the first in the country that ever happened So we were just trying to find Really find a way to assist students like I mentioned before to to reduce the barriers to increase attention to really support our community. And there were so many wonderful Outcomes from that that went as the institutions aligned. faculty started talking with Faculty outside of this program. there were contracts that save both institutions money because they were closer together. So certainly and even talking about those kinds of things as well. It just really. wrought. The two institutions together. So and we've noticed that significantly just in this first year. Now, the other interesting thing about this is you know we think about. The. Typically think about students as traditional age right from like eighteen to twenty five years old. And aims certainly serves learn from all ages and what's wonderful also about this program as we have folks in this program from eight to sixty four years old. and. In this twenty eight group, this group of twenty that has. To you and see we have people who have transitioned to our. To sixty four years old. So it's really wonderful to be able to give that experience. to a broad expanse of. That love that. Yeah because, yeah, you're never too old to learn. I am a staunch proponent of lifelong learning and to have knows. I aimed do that every day that I can seven, Fifteen, thirteen, ten K of k a thirteen, ten, Kfi K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice joined this morning by Dr Leah Bornstein President and CEO at Aims Community College, and Dr Andy Feinstein, president of the University of Northern Colorado for electric both go this morning another unifying factor that you have own weight before I moved forward Donna Feinstein. Let me just rewind there. How do we find out more information to take advantage of the aims to? UNC. program. You can go to either one of our websites. You NCO DOT EDU or aimed at easy to find out more information. And again, I'd also add that the student population that is coming to this program over sixty percent of them. Are I mean families go to college Toronto very proud of the students that are coming into this program. It's an amazing. It's just an amazing example of breaking down barriers and such a meaningful fashion and I think. Offering the opportunity to so many to access higher education that might not have ever had it. It's absolutely a stellar program, but moving on another unifying factor that both of you share, of course, are the challenges of pro posed by covert nineteen, not only in terms of enrollment but also in teaching modalities and you know doing everything that you can to prevent outbreaks at your respective institutions. Give us an update where you are with that Doctor Feinstein. Sure this semester we have about fifteen percent of our classes that are being taught fully in person about thirty, five percent of. The Tottenham hybrid fashion and that is half online happen person in about half or online we expect that same. Amount of classes in the distribution of those modalities do the same in the spring. and. So it's certainly like to see more in person classes and you know we're working on that. I also would just want to tell you that we started surveillance testing on our campuses well for our student athletes on our students living in housing and Last week we administered over five hundred tests. We had no positive cases. In the surveillance testing and I think we're monitoring about twelve. Students that are affiliated with the university that do have voted nineteen. but certainly, it's something that any one of them sets a sick and certainly many. But I think we're we're managing Dan Patrick the whole show and Colin Coward are northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI. Thursday night football is on tonight till Miss Opening Kickoff while you drive home, keep it here on northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI. The. We're back God, love technology. It certainly keeps us on our toes seven twenty one now thirteen ten K of k a thirteen ten. KFI A. Dot Com as our conversation rolls on this morning with Dr Lebron Seen President CEO at aims community college and Dr Andy Feinstein President of UNC's sorry about that little hitch and are Giddy up Dr? Feinstein. But wanted let you continue your train of thought there are trained apparently jumped the tracks. Well that's just another perfect example of why we should be speaking in person in the future. To do that again, I know we're all looking forward to that. Abacha. That up close and personal human interaction what exactly. Exactly. Thank you for the question I think sorry. No, of course, we're talking about instructional modality and you know we we have again about fifty percent of our classes that are in person about thirty, five percent or hybrid beating being taught. Half in person half online in about half of our classes are being taught online this this semester and we plan for the same in the spring although I would like to have more classes than in person and we're working on that It's something certainly students in our surveys of asked for they'd like to see more. Instruction in which they have access to to the faculty directly in provided that we certainly practice face also distancing standards which we do. and. Then You know we're we're doing a lot in area testing surveillance testing on campus. We're testing you know between fifty percent one, hundred percent of our student athletes every single week. And we're testing twenty five percent of our students on campus. We have two thousand students on campus right now. Last week, we tested over five hundred people and none of them came back positive, and so I think we're doing a great job on campus addressing this challenge and you knock on wood that will continue. Well. You and I discussed before Dr. Feinstein Imagine this students like to party they like to gather in groups but it appears as though the Students University of. Northern. Colorado rnd taking this very seriously and doing the right things. They are you know we? We do a lot of education sharing stories with our students the importance of being safe outside the classroom. We believe that the challenges are not happening on our on our campus. We you know practice social distancing. We have very strict rules wearing masks in washing your hands, and then we share a lot of stories with our students about the importance of face social distancing when you're when you're out and about and I think that's really helped us and we have a very responsible community that's really following through and that's why I believe are cases are so low. Seven twenty, four, now thirteen ten Kfi a doctor Bornstein president and CEO of aims. Community College. How is aims coping during a time of covid nineteen? Certainly I would echo match of what Andy said. regard to me are similar. We've got A little over fifty percent of our classes that are fully remote or hybrid, and then we've got about thirty five percent that are in person. At Ames, we have quite a number of programs that are career and technical in nature that do require students learners to be in person with equipment a practicing skill sets, and so forth there's only so much you can do virtually right exactly. Exactly. You know if we if we had that answer. You know that bullet right So So. Yeah. We're looking forward to the spring and continuing that were hoping depending upon flu season, we're hoping to have more in person classes. particularly in that career and technical area. we have pretty strict as Andy said, we're pretty strict protocols check in stations that almost every building on every campus that we have. Where we ensure that folks whether their students, employees or public. Have face coverings would take temperatures. They get a wristband to show that they've. Gone through a check in station so they can move between buildings without having to go through that again. So our numbers have been really quite low. We had one case at the beginning, very very beginning of the semester and Two or three cases actually three cases Right right now actually as we're speaking and then of course those. Those classes would be Corentin for two weeks and then. Come back. So we're a knock on wood. All those great expressions not gonna would fingers crossed toes crossed. We're doing pretty great. Yeah. There you go. Yeah and you have to approach this with a positive attitude look at the glass half full. Because you know I think that our attitude effects so much of how we respond to yeah the fact that twenty twenty, well, the new normal is flat out weird and it's all about your it is it's all about the art of the pivot and speaking of the art of the pivot. Dr Feinstein. Certainly, as we saw, the state budget takes such a kit this year most of it due to covert related concerns institutions of higher education also looking at some well, pretty drastic cuts am I wrong? We are last year state funding was cut by fifty eight percent for higher education fortunately with some coronavirus at least funding that was backfield and the overall effect was about a five percent reduction. In our budget but a big part of that roughly. Four hundred fifty million dollars of funding from the federal government is not certainly coming back this year, and so we're working very closely with our state legislatures in trying to understand what the actual budget for higher education will be. We're kind of in the preliminary stages of that that the government will come out with a budget early November. And CEO's of all the public higher education institutions in Colorado. We've already convened our CFO's and our lobbyists to talk about ways in which we can continue to share our story of the importance and value of investing in higher education in the state, and that will continue and Bornstein anything you'd like to add to that. Well certainly for the public community colleges two of US anyway Colorado Mountain College aims We are also funded through a tax base. And that is two years usually in arrears. So what we see is certainly a percentage of tack of States funding declining What we also see locally is aims pretty well supported with our local property tax base, which includes the oil and gas industry. So as oil and gas AH challenged remains under attack. Let's call it for what it is. Down then certainly our budget is is challenged. So we see it in two ways we see it with the local property tax and we also see it with the state funding. And to make it sort of the perfect storm if you will as we talked about Cova. An enrollment nationally, the national average are that entire institutions are down about down in enrollment nine point four percents. we're down Ten percents. as a week yes, outright. Yeah out. So kind of got perfect storm going on, we're not panicking We're actually trying to be very proactive and strategic in our thinking and working as Andy said with. The CEO's throughout the state we can do from the state perspective. Darlie Bornstein President and CEO. Of Aims Community College Dr Andy Feinstein. I didn't screw it up I did pretty well. You challenging. Nine. Xactly and I accepted the. Challenge and I, think, well, I got a passing grade anyway. Find Stein President of the University of Northern Colorado. Thank you so much for your time in your insights this morning certainly appreciate it. Thank you probably get a gold star today Gail. I, wear it with pride. Thanks again. Seven, thirty now, thirteen ten, Kfi a thirteen ten. K. 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Advancing Life Quality with Objective Research and Action with Jenna LeComte - Hinely, CEO at HARC, Inc.
"Welcome to the outcomes rocket podcast where we inspire collaborative thinking improved outcomes and business success with today's most successful and inspiring healthcare leaders and influencers, and now your host. So Marquez. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Privilege of hosting Dr on account timely she's the CEO of Hark Inc. Heart stands for health assessment and research for communities. She obtained her PhD at Portland State University in the field of applied psychology with an expertise in occupational health psychology, and she strives to keep workers happy healthy and productive. The idea of data and evaluation is something that we all tend to cringe when we hear. But today we're going to dive into why it's actually good and how it. Could really appropriately help the health of communities when we think about the topics of a social determinants of health and how he each WanNa Tackle B.'s whether you be a provider organization a Public Health Organization or just an entrepreneur trying to add value to the ecosystem. Today's conversations really gonNA dive into how we can take a look at data on evaluations as a positive thing Dr Lee count timely has served on the board of many nonprofits including John Senior Center. Health and HIV aging research project among others her passion for. The healthcare ecosystem and giving I really inspiring and I think you'll enjoy today's conversation. So Jenna privilege to have you with us today. Thank you for having me. So what are I missing your intro that maybe you want to share with the listeners? Pretty, comprehensive. So Hark is a nonprofit in addition to sort of serving on their boards of nonprofits. They also route one and that I think that they kadhamy that seeing it from both sides has been really important. So we're really a nonprofit that there's other nonprofits and other health and Human Services Agencies, which is a very rewarding thing to do love that. Now that's key. So what is it? That got you interested in in healthcare ecosystem to begin with? Well, I'd say we are more focused on health not health care health care is only a small piece of your overall health. The county health rankings models shows that clinical care only counts for about twenty percent of ultimate health. Outcomes the length of your life and the quality of your life. The rest is all about those social and economic factors, the physical environment, your health behaviors. So I typically think of myself as in the health sector, not the healthcare because it's so much broader, but it's a good distinction. Yeah. Yeah and I got into through research I started doing research when I was nineteen and I, just loved it. It's so fun to find the systematic way to find answers to your questions, but I always wanted to do meaningful research. So not which candy flavored do you like best but research that actually helps people. So I started off studying doing research in gender discrimination and from. There I got into occupational health psychology. So that's the how to keep workers happy healthy and productive. So that's what I studied in Grad School and my thesis and my dissertation were both on the topic of work life balance and its impact on your physical and mental health, and so after that, I was looking for a job and I found the job director of research at initially I was director of research for about three years and I became CEO about four years ago, and it was really exciting to me like I could not have crafted a better job because it's so fun to do. We have so many different clients and to do research one day on. A fall prevention programs for seniors and the next day on a literacy program for kids. It's so diverse that we really get this wonderful full circle picture of what is health and our community I love that and I could hear the passion in your voice when you when you talk about the different topics and I'm glad that at the beginning of our discussion and you prefaced it with, Hey, you know health health is big thing. It's not just the point of care that we're so used to focusing on and so as you've conducted the work that you do what's been an inside or an outcome that you've helped your your customers achieve that's different. Hard is really Where data geeks all of us and we're really designed to be that sort of outsourced, the many small nonprofits want to be evidence based, but they can't afford to have a researcher on staff fulltime. So that's where we come in to customize on. So that's how we have the this diversity of clients and honestly I'm not doing anything that changes lives. My clients are using the data that we give them to change lives, which is magical and so happy to be a part of. that. Is Sort of a negative connotation but I, it's it's accurate. In a positive way. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things we do actually what was launched for us, we do this huge community health survey of the Coachella Valley in Southern, California and we provide that data back to the community at no charge so he can use it and I think what's most Encouraging and exciting is how some people have used it to change lives, and one of my favorite examples is desert. AIDS project is a federally Qualified Health Center, an FQHC here in the desert, and this really illustrates that we do this survey, every three years, and the first time. There was no questions about HIV and delegates projects. Said I think we need to. Add One. So at the next survey, we added a question whether an adult had ever been tested for HIV just ever in your entire life and we found out that almost seventy percent of adults in our region had never been tested for HIV, and they didn't know their status and that's terrifying given that we have an HIV prevalence that's twice the national average. So based on that. Desert AIDS project launched get tested Catella Valley, which was this three year public health campaign. It was five million dollars there was so many partners working together to get everybody tested, and for those who tested positive connecting them to care. So they had US do some research on wire people getting tested and wires some others not, and one of the things that we found was super important. We talked to you providers we talked to people who had been tested for HIV and said. Why did you get tested and one of the top to answer was my doctor offered it we talked people who'd never been tested and said, why haven't you been tested and one of the top two answers was my doctor never offered it so it became clear that physician input is really important to a really large component of the campaign focused on provider education rather than patient education I mean, it's always great if your patients are activated engaged in asking for an HIV test. But it's most important that the provider themselves is they're offering HIV test. So the campaign they more than eighty thousand tests. They identified more than four hundred people with HIV and connected them care, and they've seen a significant change and by the most recent survey that number had dropped from about sixty seven percent of adult who'd never been tested to fifty three percent, which is a. Good drop, but still very far away from the zero we're hoping to get to. So I think they're one of my favorite ways that they use the data to really affect change identify people with HIV and connect them to care and reduce their chances of transmitting HIV others. I think it's wonderful and listen I mean twelve percent or thirteen percent drop is not anything small and. High Standard Jenna because you're like, yeah, you know we're still not zero but. But I think it's great. I. Just be happy. So we're we're conducting the survey again currently and when the data comes back I have my fingers crossed that it's going to be less than half you go. The continued HIV testing is going to make such a difference that half of adults will have been tested at least once that's that's my my fingers crossed I. Love it I love it. Yeah and Y-. You know having those those objectives that that you're shooting for being clear about them is so critical what do you think is the most common problem that that people run into when China address these types of challenges? Well, I think one of them is. If, you're truly going to affect community level change it takes a lot of time and a lot of money. It's something that doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't happen over a year. It doesn't happen over two years and often in terms of collective impact projects, people get discouraged that we've done all of this and nothing's changed yet but I community level it takes very long time and sustained effort and sustained funding to make that sort of change, you can definitely impact the people in. Your program, the people you're touching that can happen right away. But to really change the fabric of your community doesn't happen overnight and I think people get discouraged because with evaluation you feel like you're doing all these great things and then the needle hasn't moved and that's very disheartening but it's a sign that you need to keep going not that you need to stop. Yeah and WHO's been somebody that's that's been influential in your life and a guide that's helped us find a way. That's a very good question. I would have to say my mentor from my Undergrad days. She's the one who gave me my first job in research and who encouraged me go to graduate school and who encouraged me to stay in graduate school when I called her crying about how hard it was. If it was if it was easy, everyone would have A. PhD. That is so true. Yeah Yeah but Yeah I. Think you know she really put me on the research path. I couldn't be happier with where I am today. So that's great and so you've been making such a big difference for communities for what like seven years now at at the company yet been was hard for seven years. So seven years if you had to summarize your plan of how you get this done for the listeners wine to make different. WHAT'S THE PLAN I? Think often people come to me and say we've been doing great work. Can you evaluate it through that? We have proof that we can show and share with other people because they have the stereotype that evaluation happens at the end and it makes me cringe because that's not true. Evaluation is such an important part of any effort and it needs to be planned from the very beginning because otherwise you end up struggling. To really measure meaningful change, and so I think having that data component in mind as you're launching a project or an initiative or a quality improvement effort, you need to think about how are you gonNA measure this efficacy from day one and you need to be thinking about that throughout it so that you can measure because nobody wants to be all of us are in this field because we want to help people and nobody wants to be spending time and effort on something that's not working. So you need to measure it in order to. Say. Wow look. This is really changing lives so that someone else can replicate it or expand it and change lives, and to do all of that, you need data to tell that story I think that's such a great call out and so for all of you listening the importance of evaluating I to make an impact and it's not where you WANNA go initially but it's something that matters. So if there is a second and third step to the plan, would those be it's a continuous cycle, right? So research just leads to more research always. Get some answers, but you get more questions. So if you're seeing a problem though for instance, say you know you're enough QC and for example, if you see the problem that parents of kids aren't getting their kids vaccinated well, I. You need to do research on why what is going on there because if you make assumptions like if you assume you've got some anti vaccine attitudes, then you'd have to change some attitudes that's Hold one intervention. But what if instead it's that they don't have transportation to your clinic that is an entirely different intervention that you need to do, and if you just assume instead of doing research, you might be pouring all of your time and energy and money into the wrong intervention, and so you're not going to see any change because you did the wrong intervention. So I, you need to do research to see what? Is at the heart of why we have this problem, identify the causes, do your intervention and think about evaluation when you start your intervention so that you can measure how your intervention has changed and evaluate again so that you can say, okay, this part of my intervention worked you know, maybe we offered them all a free uber to come to the clinic well, that didn't seem to work but when we brought it to. Their church that worked. Great. So let's start component take out the component that didn't work and try again and try something new does that work if we bring it to their grocery stores does work if we bring it to their schools and continuing dot cycle of measuring and acting an adopted I love that it's such a clear plan. Jonah and if folks good intentions don't always lead to great results and you're so right. Right I'm sure you've seen time and time again I mean think about the dare program was huge federally funded ball kid went through there and then they turned out some research that it wasn't actually keeping kids off drugs. Yeah. You spent millions. And that's tragic. You know what I mean it's tragic and good intentions don't lead to good things but if you valuate I get created. And you apply the this gold right here the the plan that John has given us there's an opportunity. What would you say is the reason why people need to be more tuned into this and do this? Well, you know it's sort of exactly what you just said you WANNA be making change none of us wanted to be working and working and working. Out something that's not improving lives are improving quality of life. So if you're gonNA, do that make sure that the efforts you're doing, it's not just a good intention. It's a good plan and you have evidence that it's working. That's the only way really going to improve health while you know and I think the folks listening to this don't enjoy the hamster wheel. Like being crack and we like moving forward. So the traction that that's going to be available here to you all through the plan that that Jonah has offered as he so tell us Jenna. You haven't always had. It figured out like this. Tell us. Still don't have it figured out. We're always learning right? There's always. What's that moment that was critical in in your transformation in in in how you do things now I don't think there is a single moment he no, I think it is continual part of what makes her unique is that we have no off the shelf products. So everything is customized for the clan and everything even within a single project. Nothing ever really goes plans, right? So you say, well, we'RE GONNA do community engagement in this like once we. We decided we were going to do community engagement for this nonprofit hospital that we were. We were their community health needs assessment and we said, okay, we're GONNA. Do a twitter chat and they got so excited because it's very nontraditional. You know most of the time it's we're going to have forums in the community Blah Blah Blah. So we were we were all jazzed up and I think we got four people to participate it not a raging success. So you go back to the drawing board and you say, okay, that didn't work. Let's try something else. So it's that continual learning that helps us community engagement is our specialty and it's really hard. It's honestly as the community members are busy they don't have time to continue to tell you what they need third thing and it's tough and so I think we're just honestly learning all the time what works what doesn't and I have to tell you. If you WANNA do community engagement, you have to offer food and you have to offer babysitting. I love. It's. What he wants to go. Out. A. Man and I'm forget the babysitting. To how many people would not show up if he did an offer that exactly you know you want there. So you have to offer with what they want a love. It folks again you know you've heard it directly the Doctor Gentlemen, Account Hanley from Hark data. It's just incredible work that they're up to if folks want to connect with you and continue the conversation how you guys can help them. What's the best place? Absolutely, our website is ideal. It's Hark data dot Org H., A. R. C. D. A. T. A. Dot Org we also despite the failed twitter are very active on social media. Going to the dry board and you make it happen. We're on facebook twitter instagram it's all our tag is always harp data. So H. A. R. C. D. Ata. So connect with us there connect with us on our website, shoot me an email. My last name is really long. So maybe just go to the website and three there. Could do Jenna actually as well. We'll share your email with me. I'll leave it in the show notes so that folks could go to the show notes and if they want directly contact you email that's great. But as you mentioned the the websites always great hark data dot org. Wow, this has been a blast Jenna a really want to say thank you for sharing your passion and these valuable valuable plans that you've laid out for our listeners looking forward to stand in touch with you. Wonderful. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity and I hope everybody gets a little bit more excited about data. Thanks for listening to the outcomes rocket podcast, be shoot visit us on the web at www outcomes rocket dot com for the show notes resources, inspiration, and so much more.
"Welcome to the goal in podcast. This is your reality. Check with me. Rob Ross now. I hope you're doing well. And the disruption isn't bonding to hot into your business to your job or to your personal life so far here in Sydney where I'm located the disruptions being fairly minimal for me personally although I've seen a considerable drop and slowdown of my business in the last couple of days and that's why I'm calling this podcast mad as hell now to be clear this podcast and this video is not for your kids if they're listening or they're within earshot of this audio that you can hear the popu headphones on or switch this off or just get out of each shot of the kids again. This is not for your kids to. Please take a moment to do what you need to do. If they're around now. I wanted to start off by saying that. Not just speaking for myself here on this podcast on the show in the past couple of days off had several conversations with a bunch of different peoples about these damn pandemic and I've got a sigh that many of the people that I'm speaking with feel exactly the same way that I do and they're angry beyond belief and it's almost impossible to put into words. The contempt the frustration and the disgust that we have for what is happening deliberative for a couple of days about actually even recording this podcast and going on camera and sign some of the things that I'm about to say because once that genie's out of the bottle you just you just can't put it back in. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Wants to squeeze it out. But here's the thing. If I speak to you about the truth nobody can deny it or argue with me often. The truth is really hard to hear. Please stick with me right to the end of this podcast and then formulate your opinion. Feel free to disagree with me if you want. That's your right to do that. However it's pretty hard to disagree with the truth as you say as I highlighted here on this podcast today. There's no distortion in any think about to say to you. In fact you know these facts already but in and amongst all the craziness that's been going on you've probably just forgotten about him and this is the truth so I want you to listen in closely because it matters a mad as hell in fact matter than one million mad people all at one time and that understates it on mad that you'll locked in your home in some stupid self-isolation a mad that you lost your job a mad that you can't pay your bills because you income has stopped on mad that you fighting and arguing the supermarket because of stupid trivial things a mad. The IKAT visit you elderly parents and relatives on mad. That kids are scared on mad that you can't even walk damned dog because of some stupid lock down. The list goes on but to be clear to be super ultra-clear. I'm not mad at Easter. I in government or Scott Morrison. He's doing the best he can with the people he has and he's trying as hard as he can to make the right decisions whether you agree with me or with him or not doesn't matter the fact is the guys trying as hard as he can and he's doing the best job he can so this is not a beat up on the Australian government on Scott Morrison or any of our leaders that doing a great job. I'm mad because it just didn't the to be this way. Remember this Dr Lee when Liang thing. That's how you say his name correctly. He's the fellow who raise the along in early January and just over a month later he pasta away from the corona verse before he died he was my to sign a letter of reprimand. Remember that this letter of reprimand stating that. He wouldn't cause any more problems. Remember that wouldn't be crystal-clear he no. One knows. Single normal reasonable person in China would have ever wanted this pandemic to happen but the Chinese Communist Party has allowed it to happen. Dr Lee tried to warn the authorities but instead of listening to him and reacting to him he was arrested and he was threatened. Let me give you some USTRALIAN context here. Imagine if there was a vet in southeast Queensland when out to a farm to ten some horses and he discovered the Hendra virus deadly super contagious very dangerous fires he calls the authorities because he knows how scary and dangerous it actually is he makes his Co. and instead of the relevant government authorities coming up to seal off the area to quarantine the animals to take all the steps necessary to meet gate against it. The cops turn up like color him arrest him and take him to the station couple of hours later they let the guy go he heads back to the farm. Finishes up what he was doing. Leaves the infected animal there and reverse and all and worst of all worst of all. He goes away and doesn't tell anybody because if he does he's going to be tossed into jail or maybe something even worse never to be seen again. Imagine if that happened here in Australia that a person was arrested and threatened because they were trying to prevent a public health emergency. The Australian public just wouldn't allow it. But here's the thing this would never ever happen would never get that far. Because people that know what they're talking about are encouraged to speak up and people know that what people are not talking about a listen to and and help would arrive. Doctrine laid didn't do anything wrong. Not The people around him the Chinese Communist Party of the ones that set the course. They're the ones that completely and totally responsible for this pandemic. Now I'M GONNA call this out exactly as it is not going to be. Nas about it and I'm not going to be politically correct about it. Either I'm going to use this platform. Why podcast or Youtube Channel to say what needs to be said because nobody signing it above the white? Where's this guy remember? Chen remember chain queasy. Where did he go? You went to. Didn't he fair enough? But where is he now? Is He dead? Is The alive? Still Regina Gulag somewhere. Who knows and why want the Chinese Communist Party give us an update on his whereabouts is only been every single news outlet on the planet asking where the car is and we still don't know what we know a mad as hell because none of this should have happened the Chinese Communist Party and Communism Communism? I one hundred percents to blame for this pandemic again on one arena right that no reasonable normal. Chinese person would have ever wanted this pandemic but the Chinese Communist Party. Let it happen. They set the stage with a stupid system to stomp on a whistle blowing. Doctor Revolt people to stomp on citizen. Journalists is trying to help and now because of the system because if you communist system with facing millions of deaths worldwide this show is called your reality check with rob so he's you'll reality check with me. The reason that you've lost your job the reason you can't pay your bills the reason you can't go and visit your elderly. Nanna in a nursing home. The reason our entire economy tanked the reason. The Reserve Bank of Australia has taken unprecedented action today to try it today. The reason that we're going to go into recession all of us the reason absolutely everything will is changing the reason that more than eight thousand people have lost. Their lives is all because of Chinese communism. Communism has into your home. It's here in my home. The Chinese Communist Party have entered my home and they're affecting your life and my loss and they've changed everything about our economy and the way that we go about our lives every single day. Communism is locked the dough crap that you walk in your front door and smear on the carpet it stinks. It's vile and makes you drive dry reaching vomit until you blade and you have to scrub it out with all of your might to remove it now. Communism Chinese communism is in your home as in the homes of millions and millions of people around the world and Chinese. Communism is responsible for thousands of deaths from this pandemic already and many many thousands more calm earlier today. Donald Trump timeout at a press conference and he called this the China of ours and the reporter right in front of him directly in front of him. Coding Marissa's now locking Mohidin is a bit of a goose I but it's a factual remark. What he said. There's nothing racist about it. The Corona virus came from Wuhan in China. The facts are in. There's no denying it calling it. Chinese is not racist but what I would say is. It's not accurate. Sorry Mr President I would have to go have to correct you. Now have to correct you and call it the Chinese Communist Party virus no one in China one or this no reasonable person but the Chinese Communist Party allowed it to happen this Guy Xi Jingping. He's responsible as Communist Party of gangsters and murder is a solely responsible for this pandemic and all of the misery. That's about to come in Western Society. Every mattis every single off matters as what off a realized that what time he was so fine on and it's so precious and this monster this monster of a man has unleashed hell on earth. The Chinese Communist Party doesn't care about your life or the lives of its own citizens hundreds thousands of examples of persecutors persecution from the Chinese Communist Party to death but we already know those stories. The loss of one law is unimaginable to those that love them the grief the pine the loss is without equal in human experience but this tyrant of man the president of China and his party a one hundred percent responsible for causing a worldwide pandemic that will change every think and kill millions of us. The reason that this happened is because of communism. That's it I'm calling out what it is. Dr Les Never Would Have. Been Gagging Western society. You would think that even after all of the chaos of the ninety thousand nine thousands with bird flu swine flu size. And Moore's that even the Chinese Communist Party would recognize what was going on and they would have moved to solve the problem. Once Dr -ly raise the alarm didn't do that. That colored the gone told him to shut up the told him to shut his mouth. Go back to work. And now he's dead. What the hell. How is that respectful to human life? How is that caring for Citizens? The loss of Dr Lee to his family is a catastrophe that none of us can ever comprehend. Resting pay stockily and thank you for blowing the whistle. The Chinese Communist Party is responsible for the total collapse of the global economy the death of thousands and potentially millions more and this Wehrley squarely responsible for all of the suffering. That's about to occur. Take a long look at this photo. This is a photo twenty twenty-five of the Chinese Communist Party look closely at these people. These are the ones responsible for the suffering and mark my words in some parts of the world the suffering is GonNa be of astronomical proportions at already is look again. Look at the photo look again. These are the people that are responsible and the Communist ideology. It has a will touch every single person on this planet. These are the people these are the. This is the reason why you can't buy bills. The reason why you lost your job the reason why you locked up in your house the reason that our economy has completely and totally tanked these people the Chinese Communist Party. These are the people responsible for the undoing avow fragile society and then the ones responsible for removing hope prosperity and a future to look forward to with open arms and excitement instead. Now you wake up with an impending sense of doom disaster an absolute sadness at the loss of life and the impending unknown disaster. That's unfolding on an hourly basis this is communism and this is the person that's responsible for. It'll look closely at this car Jingping. He's the leader. The one that has absolute power and the one that is totally responsible for this complete fiasco in some ways and some ways. When I was preparing for this video and this podcast I found myself. Don't really that surprised surprise. Remember this remember this idiot. Yep that's Joseph Stalin that winner and his communist were responsible for as many as nine million deaths. No one million. How about this jerk? Yep that's Mao Zedong from nine fifty nine sixty two this CD. It was responsible for more than forty five million deaths. Imagine that he's a pitcher of these two winners together. What a joke. What about this guy? Remember him de Paul Positive. Remember the killing fields not doesn't ring a bell. Let me get you a couple of pitchers and show you remember that. Yep that jerk was responsible for two million deaths communism. One one Marxism one zero one. How about this one? Yep Good Old Fidel Castro. Up until Nineteen eighty-seven. This idiot was estimated to be responsible for more than one hundred and forty one thousand people's dying and many thousands more after that. No one really knows once again. Communism at at its best probably left out a couple of others. Ho Chee mean those sorts of people but what difference does a few million deaths Mike Tomorrow? Podcast he now look closely at this guy that Xi Jingping that guy. That's the person that's responsible for. All of this. Chaos and death wonder what he's tally will be. One million two million couple more. What do you reckon? I'm just saying when will we learn that communism is just a bringer of death on a sky. Oh that is just unimaginable. They're the people those people those communists they're the people that hold onto a system of absolute power when nothing but the power matters. Your Life doesn't matter my Lawf- doesn't matter you'll love ones. Don't matter to them. The only thing that matters is the party and they hold on power. The Chinese people are not responsible for this pandemic. The Chinese Communist Party are they allowed the whit market. Despite all the warnings about size bird flu swine flu emerged all of those things. They silence the people that were trying to help. That covered it up. They lied to the world and now the genie is out of the bottle. Communism once again is highlighted for what it is and in my view. That's height full murderous bunch of gangsters that don't care about anything but themselves. There's one thing that I know for certain. And it's directly aimed at the leader of the Communist Party Xi Jingping and I'm saying this to you on behalf of freedom loving people and nations of the free world you you are responsible as the leader with absolute power you totally responsible for this pandemic and you are responsible for all the misery. That's going to follow and it's all lack of humanity. That will be the total end undoing of your murderous regime once and for all this is not the century of the Chinese Empire. This is the end of it.
So much learned in 1 year of COVID-19
"Coming up on mayoclinic q a when you look at nine months from when we first identified this pathogen to having a vaccine that is as close to a human miracle if i could use that term as one could expect but the promise of those vaccines is not enough. For a quick return to life as it used to be we and other countries have seen the fallacy. A doing that. I mean on the one hand. There's kind of the human pressure to get back to normal but at what cost. There's a. There's a way to do this as i often characterize it. Opening up and getting back toward normal is not a light switch. Welcome everyone to mayo clinic. Dr lee mc zeljka with recording this podcast and march the eighth twenty twenty one one year ago on march the eleventh twenty twenty we brought you are i strove at nineteen podcasts. At that time we knew very little about this virus a lot we've learned in the year. Thankfully we've had an expert. Dr greg poland to come along with us and teach us so much now. Dr poland has on our podcast more than fifty times. And he's here again. Today to celebrate our one year anniversary and to tell us more about kobe. Dr poland is an infectious disease. Biology and backseat expert from the mayo clinic. Welcome back greg thank you. Why over fifty times. What bank one. Great team this great team. And that's just that's just a little bit of the time that you've been interviewed. Yes greg i'm coming from home today because I'm off. But i did not want to miss our one year anniversary of our podcast. Working in cogan team is a as a family here. So i'm so glad to be here with you today. Do i do the same thing. Try to schedule everything around this because you know the cards and letters we were talking about just before we have it here are so encouraging people constantly telling us how valuable it is hard. It is to get unbiased information. So i feel like we're doing something really valuable and worthwhile. It has been amazing. Greg benson gratified even with my co workers and colleagues at mayo clinic. When i walked down the hall to share with me that they are using our source of information as a true source and for us to bring them the truth and the up to date information every week wonderful. Let's take a look back. Tell me what surprised you. The very most about all the has gone on in this past year. You know it's it's i i guess. Probably two sides of a coin On the one hand. I've been disappointed at Making something that is a medical and scientific is due into a political or economic or religious issue. Yes they they have elements of that with fundamentally to reject good science-based recommendations because of some You know misinformation is sad When you look at that. When when i look back over the last year now one out of every eleven americans has been infected in one out of every as of this morning one out of every six hundred nine americans died of a disease we know how to prevent with a simple mask so that that has been discouraging at times but the bright side is that i think americans are beginning to understand that They are masking ic- much much better masking behavior when you look at nine months from when we first identified this pathogen to having a vaccine i mean that is as close to a human miracle if i could use that term as as one could expect as of this morning one out of five americans has gotten at least one dose of vaccine and almost one percent of americans thirty one million people have been fully immunized and contrary to two polls that we saw early on. The demand is not ceasing. I mean over the weekend almost two and a half million doses of vaccine were given on saturday and sunday. And pete as you know people are lined up so. I think we've got a real chance with this. If people will stick to that now you know one of the other things. That's frustrating is as soon as we make some progress everybody wants to open up and relax restrictions and we and other countries have seen the fallacy of doing that. I mean on the one hand. There's kind of the human pressure to get back to normal but at what cost. There's a. There's a way to do this as i often characterize it. Opening up getting back toward normal is not a light switch. It's a rea- stat based on observation and measurement and when you're when you start relaxing mandates you're you know you're going to increase those rates. A study just came out from the cdc showing that in counties that relaxed Masking restrictions and allowed in person dining cases hospitalization and death rates just started increasing. So you've got to do it in the right way while. That's a lot an exciting about the vaccination rates one of the things that surprised me. The most about this year is how quickly life can change. I think i did see this coming. Like many americans. I was absolutely completely blindsided. When i came home from vacation last year and was told that we were closing down the male clinic that life as we knew it was essentially closing down and we were all staying home and i was really actually personally rather shocked by how quickly that can happen. And what an amazing time to able to reassess what's important to you and You know where we're all going. It was really. it's really been impactful. I think a lot of people in a lot of ways said it really has changed our notions of stability For me all my life you train for these sorts of things and particularly in energy. With how you mitigate those efforts and so it is surprising to me to to all of us go through that common experience and yet have people who will. The problem is they. Don't look at the data. I was going to say. Look at the data and decide. Now i don't want a vaccine. That just amazes me. It floors me and does it really is amazing when you think about the fact that the carrot is out there. The hope that you're going to get back to normal. Whatever our new normal is. I guess that remains to be seen. But that's part of this ever changing landscape. Yes indeed greg. You and i have talked many times about the changes in the scientific community. Incredible advances that have been made scientific discovery during the time of kuban and the publications. You know we're scientists. We know how long it often takes to to work on. Trials and get things published in so much has happened in the past year. How is covid. Nineteen changed the scientific community. And do you think it's changed for good. You know. I think there are elements. That will be changed. I'm a medical journal editor myself. In the number of articles we've received is just a torrent and and it's increased our workloads dramatically. But for a good reason. We're getting that information out. And then it gets digested by the media and interred given to the to the public. I do think that's one of the things that will change as we need to find better ways to communicate science in public health aging to the public. I think m. Rene vaccines have just had stunning efficacy and safety. I think we're gonna start seeing those used in any disease where antibody against the protein is helpful for example in oncology in allergy and infectious diseases. And i think the other thing. I've really been impressed with is international collaboration. And this is all the way along the vaccine development light from regulatory agencies to universities and individual scientists really putting together these massive face three trials and international studies that have benefited us greatly. So i think those will be changes to the positive. Unfortunately george bernard shaw said and i think with good warrant. The one thing we learned from history is that men never learned anything from history now. My daughter did an outy. Said men say any bank might my my less optimistic part tells me that once were past this will lapse back into a certain amount of denial. We have never as a global medical concern. We've never given prevention The do that it should have and the funding that it should have we. We like the you know exotic scientific things and yet these are the things as you pointed out. That fundamentally changed human life greg. You mentioned a little bit earlier. How many vaccinations were given out this last weekend. Can you bring us up to speed on. The numbers are all unvaccinated. Where are we and how close are we getting to. Bat herd immunity appoint that we need to reach herd. Immunity is a concept that we do talk about. it's kind of a theoretical construct. It's very hard to see how we're gonna reach herd immunity in the near future and the reason for that is of course. There's a fair number of the population. We can't vaccinate yet right younger kids for example and then there's a proportion of the population that refuses vaccines together. Those pro- those add up to more than twenty percent of the population and at least one study in brazil showed that you need north of eighty percent immunity in order to reach this this idea of herd immunity so as i mentioned about one out of five americans has gotten at least one dose of that scene and i think the pace of vaccination is dramatically accelerated in were headed toward two and a half three million doses delivered a day. Might my personal opinion is that we need to get one dose into people as quickly as possible. The data are clear on the benefit of that. We need to do what they're doing in new york city. They've got axed nation centers. That run twenty four hours a day and if the supply will bear that i think. I think we should be doing that. I think the other thing that that kind of Add some uncertainty to all. This is the effect of viral variance. Because they the vaccines are less against preventing transmission of them even though they're very effective in preventing death or severe disease. I was gonna ask you next about variants. I'm glad that you brought that up. And what we know now about the various vaccines their effectiveness They do differ by vaccine. In general. And i'm i'm a bit simplifying here but for the major variants that we know about they seem to increase transmission by about fifty percent an increase their disease causing ability and lee thallady by about thirty to fifty percent. So these are bad viruses. These mutant changes are not good for humans. Now fortunately and we have the most data with the marin a vaccine and to some degree with the johnson and johnson vaccine the efficacy against death has been one hundred percent the efficacy against severe disease. One hundred percent of hospitalization eighty five percent. Even though you read numbers for example with j. and j. In in the south african arm of the study of efficacy being about sixty six percent you have to remember that was against mild and moderate disease. The more severe outcomes which we really care. About with human health it performed excellently. So still a lot to learn our concern. Is that these variants. If we don't get as many people immunized as quickly as possible that they'll continue to arise and potentially become more lethal your expert advice as you said before it still remain to take whatever vaccine your offer now that absolutely whatever vaccine you have available to you get that vaccine. Get it now. Continue to wear your masks until we have large scale immunization and then that real estate i talked about then we can begin step by step by step in a careful measured way. That doesn't hurt. People began to re open and begin to enjoy the lives. We knew greta read something interesting on the news. I wanted to ask you about it. I had read that. Obesity affects how effective vaccine for individuals. And i'm wondering why. How and does it matter which vaccine this seems to be a common factor for all vaccines not just cova vaccines. In fact an international report was just released. And i thought this was very interesting. Ninety percent of the cova deaths that have occurred in the world are occurring in countries with high levels of obesity. And more you look at those mortality rates there ten times higher in countries where at least fifty percent of the adults are overweight. Now there are other studies. I looked up a few of them. In italy. obese healthcare workers only developed about fifty percent of the antibody response that normal weight people developed and this is In even in the us when they've looked at the data light this the risk of hospitalization among people who are obese one hundred thirteen percent higher than the risk of dying about fifty percent higher. Now why should this be well. It's true basically with all respiratory diseases We've known that for some time. It's true of influenza. Part of it has to do with the fact that they tend to accumulate other concomitant diseases heart disease type two diabetes for example so that adds to the risk. The other thing is that chronic over nutrition is actually a state of mild to moderate immunosuppression. It's immuno compromising. And the reason for that is it. Leads to a state of chronic inflammation which directs the immune system in an adverse way. So what we do about that. What we don't really have a vaccine solution to that per se and you know truly and i count myself in there. Even though i'm able to get outside and exercise. I've gained a few pounds during this kobe year. And that probably all of us are going to have to struggle a little bit with the being careful about our nutrition and getting exercise like to call it. The kovin fifteen greg you to call jimmy johnson semester. Now it's cohen. Get advice always good advice to to get their exercise when you can safely out there. You brought up a little bit earlier about people. Wanting to open things up too early and some states have moved toward what comes to my mind immediately as texas where had rebids The the mass game now very optional. I think is my understanding When people are looking forward to summer are we going to have a summer where we still ask. Are we going to have a summer where we can get out and do the things that we weren't able to do last summer. Tell us what you see ahead of you. you know. I i think something that bears considering is that every step ahead of us is in large part determined by the steps. We've just taken so if we continue down a pathway where people mask their restrictions on gatherings we get people immunized and we do this step by step. I think we're going to enjoy a nice summer. If on the other hand we say just because we're sick of it will. Let's throw the mask. Burn them. A reopen dining and sports. And everything else that will determine for us a surge in cases that will almost certainly occur and the reason for that is not mysterious when you still have circulation at a reasonably high level of these variant viruses. They will transmit and back transmit more easily than the strain. We face last march when we were talking about this. So it's really unfortunate that you know it's sort of human behavior determining this rather than the science there are ways to do this safely and there are ways to do it in such that it is not safe in will prolong this pandemic. I think the big news though. Is that the by this summertime. i think we're going to have Every adult that wants to get a vaccine vaccinated and that will go a tremendous way in toward dampening this. Now will we have another fall. Surge depends on our behavior now. Getting back to what you always say. Greg hands base. Space bazan accented absolutely. It's simple we've enjoyed some good time chatting what we're doing a podcast that also developing a friendship over this past year and say you know i kinda like silver linings and so i thought maybe you and i could share a silver linings from covid and what mine are my silver linings of covid mateen which is so changed. Our lives are that it's been a great time to sort of reassess. my world is bent. Made smaller haven't been travelling overseas. Like i typically have or even to to various Parts of the united states for medical meetings presents lectures at cetera et cetera. And that's been actually a blessing in disguise. It's been kind of nice to be a little closer to home to have time to do some more things. My cabinets have never been so organized. And there've been some good things about it. I also really enjoy zoo personally. I like this being able to see people while. I'm meeting with them from far away and so i've enjoyed some aspects of covid nineteen and i'm wondering if you have some that you could share you know i think for me i feel similarly I've been able even within the confines to be very productive. And i hope helpful so that's been one thing the second thing and you know maybe it sounds a little corny but I've been able to spend a lot more time with my wife than i normally would have been just because of the nature of of what i do. And that's been a real blessing and i think the other thing is you said you know as my as my world got smaller. My worldview got larger. We're all in this together all through the globe and for me you know one of the things that began to take predominance is the spiritual side of life believing in something bigger than myself As i say to people plagues and pandemics have purposes and it would be good for us to attend to some of those purposes and to think beyond just sort of the shallow level of life that you know we rush through so you know i'm actually thankful for for those aspects of it. I agree with you greg. I think it's really important for us to be available in ready to learn whatever it is the need to be taught in a moment eighty that will prevent us from repeating it. I hope so any last thoughts for our listeners. Today you know. Just what i always want to do is encourage people. One of the things we've dealt with it here is the next. Pandemic really is one of mental health and we need to support each other encouraged each other Helped by giving good information not misinformation to one another and i think Halina you and and and me and jen who the world never gets to see. Who's behind all this. Geno hair. our producer you know. We've done work that that makes me feel good when i lay down at night We've done good work together and we can each of us. Everybody who hears this recapitulate that with our neighbor and family by sharing this information and helping people to stay healthy. We're gonna make it through this. We are not all of us because not all of us have taken the precautions. But if we do we're going to make it through this and we're going to enjoy our lives again probably in a more enhanced way than we ever thought possible. So that gives me a lot of solace. Glad that you brought that up greg because i think that while there are silver. Linings are a lot of people struggling and so our hearts go out to them. But i'm certainly glad to be here with you today sharing information and we plan to continue to do that not be one year. That's right happy. One year anniversary of a goget nineteen podcasts. Then more to come. Thanks to after greg poland for being with us today. You all know him well by now. I hope that you learn something today. I know that i did. We wish all of you a wonderful day mayo clinic. Cuna is a production of the mayo clinic news network and is available. Wherever you get and subscribe to your favorite podcasts. To see a list of all male clinic podcasts. Visit news network dot mayoclinic dot. Org then click on podcasts. Thanks for listening and be well. We hope you'll offer a review of this and other episodes when the option is available comments and questions can also be sent to mayo clinic news network at mayo dot edu.