33 Burst results for "Dr Jeff Long"

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

05:29 min | 2 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

"Have you ever heard of a guy named David ditch field is a uk guy. There he wrote a book pretty big book on his near death. Experience guy. have you ever heard of mandy or ahead on the i haven't by we have. We've spoken to many people. The near death experiences under they know people who have been the o. Described the same same situation. But i've seen different different people. I guess to the nurse at the you know if if you own a house obama Near death experience to the nurse they probably think you are dead but to personal. Suppose go it you just pass them through this People describe as a tunnel going this way into a tunnel and then suddenly united. Because you don't wanna die yet you coming back in. The light comes back again because tunnels darken law. People explained in different ways. But i do believe not sure if that signs but a tape is definitely one hundred million percent true inaccurate. Because why would people make out and hustle. People that i know personally Locally the conference that near death. I i'm less inclined to kind of interested in personal stories. I kind of like the sites. I love the person look. I missed that. I love the personal stories. I find the personal stories incredibly inspirational to me. Personally i like the The database compiled by dr jeff. Long were the indy e. r. f. dot org database. You can go in there and you could read thousands of accounts of near death experience inspirational. But i wanna know if it's true and that's the science so you there's been some terrific research done in the uk about near death experience. And i'd point out. Peter fach is fantastic one of his Person that worked with them and took over his work. Dr penny sartori. Let me tell you her research. Because i think it's great it's great. Anyone can can kind of grasp what she did andy so she was she has a phd in nursing. So she's up a doctorate. She writes papers peer reviewed. She's really smart but she understands the nursing thing so they went into a hospital and they took people as they were being admitted to the cardiac arrest ward. And they said okay. Would you like to be a part of the study..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

05:45 min | 2 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Horizon Talk Radio's podcast

"Passing through this Lot of people describe as a tunnel. You done this way into a tunnel and then suddenly you know because you don't wanna die yet. I'm coming back. And then the light comes back again because tunnels darken law. People explained in different ways. I do believe not sure that science but a taping like definitely one hundred million percent true inaccurate. Because why would people make out and hustle. People that i know personally Locally for that near death. I i'm less inclined to kind of be interested in personal stories that kind of like the science. I love the person look at. I miss dated that. I love the personal stories. I find the personal stories incredibly inspirational to me. Personally i like the The database compiled by dr jeff. Long were it's the in d. r. f. dot org database. You can go in there and you could read thousands of accounts of near death experience inspirational. But i want to know if it's true and that's science so knows has been some terrific research done in the uk about near death experience. And i point out. Peter fach is fantastic one of his Person that worked with them and kind of took over his work. Dr penny sartori. Let me tell you her research. Because i think it's great it's great anyone can can kinda grasp what she did andy so she was. She has a ph d. in nursing. So she's up a doctorate. She writes papers peer reviewed. She's really smart but she understands the nursing things so they went into a hospital and they took people as they were being admitted to the cardiac arrest word. And they said okay. Would you like to be a part of the study. And they said okay part of the study then. They took the group who had a heart attack horrible at heart attack. You know your heart stops and your brain stops about two minutes later. That's the physiology of it. We know that from thousands and thousands of works. Eeg's and all the rest of that so but that doesn't matter because it's really simple. What they did is they took the p. blue at a heart attack and they broke them into two groups and they said. Did you have a near death. Experience says yep. I had a near death experience okay. You're in their first group. Then they talk to other people and said did you have a near death experience. I have no idea what you're talking about. It was black. Nothing okay you are in our control group now and then they proceeded to interview those two groups and the people that have a near death experience they said what was your recesses. Tation like and the people said well they wheeled me and and they will be in carton at a guy jumped on top. Maybe put those paddles and those didn't work so they had to come over and the guy had this really weird sock on that was like a colored so you all this details detail comes from the people have had the near death experience. Now indy they go over to the other group.

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Are Pilots Skirting Airlines' Masking Policies?

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:15 min | 4 months ago

Are Pilots Skirting Airlines' Masking Policies?

"Know the only people on an airplane. That don't need to wear mass. The pilots the pilots don't wear masks. They're sitting there in the flight deck. The air is recirculated on the airplane But but there's something unique about that about that flight deck that apparently cova of virus does not make it up to the front of the plane so the most the most important people of the least quote unquote protected dr exactly so. This is a sham. This is a this is a giant babylon be political jokes. living at. it's driving us crazy. The thing that got me was about four months ago on the plane. And i couldn't believe it. I think united and safety the safety brief. This students actually says and for safety for safety reasons. We are not going to demonstrate the use of the oxygen mask so if you need you breathe as the plane is plunging thousands of feet per second just working out just working out because no thank you put this thing on my mouth and pretend that the plane is crashing. That's when you realize you are living in a monty python skit. It's not

Dr. Jeff Barke: It's Easier to Call in a Prescription for Oxycontin Than Ivermectin

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:44 min | 4 months ago

Dr. Jeff Barke: It's Easier to Call in a Prescription for Oxycontin Than Ivermectin

"Let's stay here for a second. So i for my sins. I spent Oh my gosh. Almost thirty years in academia prior to joining the Trump administration i. I hate being called an academic But pay reviews was the big deal. Pablo perez was was the choice of The the expression for those inside of academia Peer review dr balki. It's a joke. I mean it's it's a mutual masturbation society isn't it because you're being reviewed by your body's and therefore it's just a collective group think exercise. This isn't unbiased review. By people who have no vested interests these people have viewpoints. They wanna protect and like crazy. That i mean in theory. It makes sense it sort of like a a trial by your peers Theory in theory but what happens at these journals is that they're all like minded people and up. An article comes through. That is a positive article about ivermectin. They're not even gonna look at it. Let alone review it and so it's almost impossible to get publish. Some of these articles that are critical of karma and critical of vaccines. And so yes. You're right it's a you know it. It saddens me to say but these journals and healthcare agencies have become political in nature and they shouldn't be because when that happens what it's it's patients that suffer and so the science has been corrupted. Patients are being injured as a result and listen every single day now when i call in prescriptions for patients as it relates to cove it. It is literally easier for me to call in a prescription for oxycontin than it is for either

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Who is Dr. Jeff Barke?

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

02:01 min | 4 months ago

Who is Dr. Jeff Barke?

"Talk about the truth. Let's talk about science with one of the few doctors who's out there telling the truth about what we need to know about. Covert therapeutics boston. Vaccines welcome to america. First one on one. It's dr jeffrey balki. Board thirty five primary care physician. Welcome dr to one on one so great to be with you. Thanks so much for having me on. Well we had you on the radio show a week ago. It was super. It was too short. So we've already invited you back for a one on one discussion for those who missed the interview on the radio show and who haven't heard of you before. Just by way of introduction. Who are you what do you do. And what is our ex liberty our expert liberty is my website sev- where people can go and learn more about me. I've got a newsletter that i put out every couple of weeks naked subscribed it out by the way i recently started. A podcast. informed dissent the intersection of healthcare in politics and that can be found at in armed descent media dot com. I'm a primary care physician board-certified. I've been in private practice for over twenty five years i've served as an assistant professor at uc irvine. I've also served as a board member at the orange county medical association and in my spare time. I work as a tactical physician role local law enforcement agency emily last year. I started a charter school. A hillsdale affiliated republic charter school in the city of orange here in southern california but my day job is treating patients that i've treated literally hundreds and hundreds of cova patients successfully by instituting early treatment with many of our repurpose medications. That were really well. You can get visions early

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The Most Egregious Politicization of Health Policy in US History

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:30 min | 4 months ago

The Most Egregious Politicization of Health Policy in US History

"Let's talk about the therapeutics that made my covert experience the mildest case of the flu. I've ever had thanks to my doctor. Dr sam pappas on hydroxy December last i had three days of the sniffles felt a little bit tired and that was my experience. Not only that. I don't know why you left it out of your by but it says euros an officer in the. Us army reserve medical costs. God bless you doctor barky for everything you do and are doing to get the truth out there. Let me just start right at the beginning to the mirror. In twenty five years of practice serving your fellow man have you ever ever seen such an egregious politicization of health policy in our nation. Doctor never dr gorka at and it really makes me sad to say this. But some of our healthcare agencies like the fda the cdc unfortunately were realizing now have been captured by industry. And what i mean by that is the funding from the fda in the cdc about fifty percent come from the organizations that their charter to oversee. So the fda used to be entirely funded by taxpayer dollars as it should be and the fda is supposed to work for the american people to keep them safe to oversee pharmaceutical companies including vaccine companies. But now they're funded by the industry in the end the groups they are supposed to be overseeing and

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National Disability Strategy Pledges to Make Homes More Accessible

Assistive Technology Update

01:54 min | 5 months ago

National Disability Strategy Pledges to Make Homes More Accessible

"Our first story today comes to us from. At today it's titled national disability strategy pledges to make homes more accessible and upgrade job support stirs written by sarah srb and it's about a new program in the uk trying to make housing more accessible commuting more accessible and have better job prospects for individuals with disabilities story talks about the united kingdom's new national disability strategy. This is supported by one point. Six billion pounds of funding and it's focused on improving inclusion in the workplace tackling the disability employment gap and making sure children with special needs and disabilities are at the heart of the strategy. Some of the things that it seeks to do is first of all introduce workforce reporting for businesses and more than two hundred and fifty staff on the number of individuals with disabilities to encourage a more inclusive kind of workplace also launching a new online advice hub available to both the individuals with disability as well as the employer and this is there to provide information and advice on disability discrimination in the workplace and also teach them about flexible work environments individuals rights and the employer's obligations around reasonable adjustments. Or what we call here in the states reasonable accommodations. One thing that i really did like about the story is that it all started off with the united kingdom disability survey and this over fourteen thousand respondents. Now it doesn't really say anything about who the respondents were. But from what i get from the story is it's individuals with disabilities living in the uk. So basically they ask. What are the barriers the you have. What are the things we can do to help you. Because as many folks no assistive technology is a wonderful thing. But if it's not used in the right place for the right reason at the right time is not that great so they really actually reached out to the people and tried to make sure that they can actually get what the folks needed in their hands at the right time

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Seattle-Area Health Officer Warns of Highly Transmissible Delta Variant

Afternoon News with Tom Glasgow and Elisa Jaffe

00:57 sec | 6 months ago

Seattle-Area Health Officer Warns of Highly Transmissible Delta Variant

"Changed the course of the pandemic. That's the word from the health officer in the state's largest county commas. Ryan Harris has an update. King County Health officer, Dr Jeff Duchin says the virus has thrown us a real curveball, in part because he says, the delta variant now more than 78% of cases, genotype is on par with chickenpox for contagiousness costs. People infected with the delta variant produced 1000. Times more virus. It's much more contagious than earlier variants, which means that people get infected easier and faster and are more likely to spread the virus to other student says that includes a rare amount to breakthrough cases, which he says usually result in milder symptoms but can still make you highly contagious. Duchin says. New Case numbers of quadrupled, But the hospitalization and death rates remain stable and that along with King County's high vaccination rate, or why he believes the recommendation to mask up indoors. I mean, we don't yet need to consider going. Back to stronger restrictions, but he says it requires all of us to cooperate.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

04:14 min | 8 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Why do you need more riches. what's your problem. What's wrong with you inside. That you are still not satisfied as the king of frigiere who is already since you were a child who was predicted. That you're gonna be the richest men in the world and yet when i come to offer you anything you want to turn everything to goal. Okay have fun. There's something wrong inside that you're still so insecure. You need more goal so anyway. That's my response to clean Being on a spiritual quest yeah and you can you can use it for the you can use it for those things. But that's not the right thing. And that's not they're the the the beneficial way to use it because it's going to destroy you like a destroyed midas things. I one of the things. I'm kind of keen on. These days is to tell people that you know this amazing database of near death experiences. Dr jeff long has in his wife jodi have compiled and they're medically reviewed carefully done through this long survey that kind of weeds out. It's a clean database. Just did an extensive database. I i did an extensive interview with the guy in the main purpose the was say. Is your data reliable. Argue filtering it. Are you in any way so it is. It is house tell people go. Google n d e r f near death. Experience research foundation love. Jesus god any of those things Anything you want but then go. Do croly go to satan. Go do do what thou wilt go do magic to all. It doesn't much my times. That comes up. Zero love comes up all time right over the top. Compassion comes up all the time. Forgiveness comes up all the time but so in a way always giving these ecclesiastic to that or what. We set out to to me david. It's a different. They're they are the near death. Experience accounts are telling a slightly different story. There's telling the difference of the story of truly all's you have to do is seek love and compassion on one hand versus kind of your story has kind of anarchistic feel to it. Like there's this battle you know there's two of things that the near death experience accounts are really kind of saying something different There was a battle but you really kind of created the whole battle. you know. it's just really all you have to do is just seek love in everything you do it in four actually in agreement on that but where we kind of always slip up is that i don't think that captures. I don't think that captures aquino aquino. I guess it is. And it's like you know i just watched And i'd hate him watching these things. But somebody get stuck into on Ted bundy and he's talking about his experience in hip growing up and how he just had this kind of just a little almost understandable attraction to a certain kind of porn and it just kinda grew and it just kind of grew and eventually it became what he felt was entity inside of him a spiritual entity that was battling with his soul and well. We all know the story. What happens to that. I'm just reluctant to you. Know i i. Don't i don't know what any of these things mean so. I'm just plowing ahead your plowing ahead to do the same thing. You're just plowing ahead with your thing like you just said it. You know wind up. We'll each of saying the same thing over again and i'm with you. The myths are reflected in the stars. There no way that that mayan thing completely matches the constellation. What's name the constellation. Hercules fucking hercules fucking hercules. Right which is like. We're going to curse the constellation. Alex come on well..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

02:07 min | 8 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"It's bizarre but here's what i want to draw your attention to. You can go to youtube right now in type in near death experience. A new interpretation or near death. Experience john fisher or skeptic. I don't know you could probably get to a number of different ways because you unbelievably hyping this interview this interview this youtube video if you were to believe it has one point. Four million views on youtube. That's fake. it's just fake. Go go there in scroll to hooded raid the comments i scrolled through. I'm not exaggerating. I flip through tin pages of comments. I could not find one positive comment. It just outraged right from the top. I like how he mumbles as he reads what is outside his bias while raising his voice within his bias. Here's it other one. He sounds like a barber pontificating about neurosurgery. he's as sincere flat-lander next he hasn't had an end. E e he's like a food critic who's read the menu without tasting any of the dishes. Can you imagine listening to this guy whilst driving finally in that i'll let it go. It's like someone who's never visited paris trying to convince us that he knows more about paris than others. Who've been there folks are not cherrypicking. Go read the comments. There is no way on earth. One point four million people. Listen to this or watch this video compared with all the interviews that have been done with dr jeff long. He's got. He's very successfully gets a lot of place. He doesn't get anywhere near this. I don't know how it's faked. I don't know exactly why it's faked but it's fake. It's just not real. And it's in some way i don't totally understand part of the culture part of the mission to discredit and distract you from this science. But you don't wanna put all this to dr long. He had a very wise response. And that is that you know the truth. Kind of wins out in the end. People see through this people figure it out..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

05:27 min | 8 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"I slightly death. I did not fear. Death unknown so look right directly at that response to that question of i did not fear this at the time prior to their near death experience thirteen percent did not fear death after their near death. Experience seventy six point seven percent said they did not fear death. Alex this dramatic evidence of the power of near death experiences to change lives. It is and i wonder you know. I've had a couple of social scientists on the show who've done related work in terms of how people change from going through a six week. Meditation course something. Like that. And the only thing i just add. Is that if you ever looked into. The social science part of this a social scientist would just throw up their arms and go. That is crazy. I mean fundamental belief systems like that switching from thirty percent to three percent we. There's no precedent for that in the social sciences of how that kind of change can happen on the other hand the reason i keep coming back to the day to is for certain kinds of people like me like a lot of you and apparently like dr jeff long. The data is important because the data can actually be part of the spiritual growth. If you will. Here's he explains it. I think people that have done near death. Experience like me have sort of had that time when they really get it sinks and you go. Wow this is. What some indy years. I think very aptly say the boot camp of our spiritual existence that afterlife in over. You don't have that pain misery and the stuff that we have here on our earthly life is our real home as they say over and over my hundreds and so there i think there comes a time in in administering trains researchers go while. I'm not you to learn about them. But look what you learn. Were not really home that there's a vastly better existence realm of being than our everyday earthly life. Where these miseries and stuff that we have to put up every day don't exist our life on earth not an accident You know where it were here to to learn. Were here to to live our life to the best way that we can. And there's meaning and purpose to a meaning and purpose more than i would ever guest before i started on your experience research so i think all of that broad understanding near death experience plus the motivation that the near death experiences. Stay over and over. This is literally inactive love to go through your life and reach out others lovingly as possible as i just said number two word used in describing their experiences love so it sort of gives you that that motivation and understanding that even though this is pam of our spiritual existence It's important and and in some ways a gift you just do the best and with a reach out in love. Okay but back to the clip back to woody harrelson back to the hunger games. What they're actually doing that. Scene is there devising a campaign to counter the social engineering. That's going on inside of their society and this is kind of a reoccurring theme that javert on skeptical. And you know..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

02:52 min | 8 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"That's everybody think of one internet. Where cadmus everything genuinely moved you when she volunteered for her sister at the reaping excellent example. Good what else when. She sang that song for little ru. Yeah we didn't get choked up at that. I like you better. If without all that makeup. I like you better. So that's of course. Woody harrelson from the hunger games a clip. That would seem to be because it is a long way around the barn from an interview with one of the world's leading near death experience. Researchers dr jeff long who's compiled the largest searchable database of near death experiences and who join me primarily because i wanted.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on The Higherside Chats

The Higherside Chats

07:36 min | 9 months ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on The Higherside Chats

"Talking about right there because my read of that data is that the most important part of the near death experience and i really got this from guiding dr jeff. Long and i'm so excited because he's coming back on skept cohen a couple of weeks and there's so many next level things that when i want to talk to this guy about but he is radiation oncologist which puts him in the death game. All the time is dealing with people who are dying of cancer and he's full-time highly regarded radiation colleges. But he's written his bestselling books on near death experience and he's collected the largest database of near death experiences. A searchable database. You can go online and see you can read and compare all these things were saying kind of alluding to grandma's hug and stuff like that and the biggest thing that comes out of that is that no you will be judged. Grandma's hug isn't what it's really about what it's really about his judgment but you're the one doing the judging so doing this really hit me. I mean it took me a long time for me to really process this. But the way i relate to is shit. I know that all along. When i was a little kid. Seven years old running down to to do cheese grocery store down on the corner back when they had those old fashioned candy stores. And i was like man. I don't have a nickel. i don't have a dime. I don't have a porter. I'm gonna steal his candy. Put it in my pocket. No one will notice. I didn't feel like jesus was judging me right then. I just fell internally in my gut. And sometimes i took the candy but sometimes i just felt like man. That wasn't the right thing to do. And that's what they're saying and they're not saying it to like manipulate you. But that's what the near death experiences or sayings and when you get to the other side you just have compassion. But at the same time you have this sense of judgment of this is what's weighing on your soul. Everything you've done is now weighing on your soul. Not good or bad. It's just the way it is. You know buck up deal with yes and to me. That puts a different spin on everything that puts a spin on the lab tech who killed ten thousand mice. A different spin on the attorney. Who said what the hell pfizer's my boss visor. Pays my bills care if it's right or wrong. Imagine now you're in a realm where that becomes reeler than real. You're feeling that fully and it's not someone looking over your shoulder saying you bastard son of a bitch now you will pay. It's none of that. It's the ultimate compassion and love. But saying wow greg. You could've done better you better than that. Yeah now. it's totally true. It goes with science leading us down this path of while there is no god there is no spirit there is no consciousness it also means there is no wayne of the heart ceremony life review. Nothing you do matters. There is no judgment and it was because of your interview or maybe interviews with dr raymond moody that i had him on recently and i definitely wanted to focus on that life review aspect that sell many people to report. I felt the pain that i caused every single person from their perspective. Like that's interesting. And that is what the data kind of says and when it comes to what is life. I really do include with that. That seoul school hypothesis. If this is something in reincarnation israel while it seems to be a soul school and if that's true will wear are the tests. Well that's what evils role is is the temptation like. Can you pass that test. We finish a life. It's pass fail and you either go onto something else that we probably never will understand until we get there personally or we fail and we come back and we repeat the process but without evil being here without temptation. There is no test. And it's kinda like jordan. Peterson would say you can't really be a good person. Until you know your capacity for evil we all know ignorant people we all know really simple minded nice guys that have never heard a fly or anything and it's like well have. They really wrestled with the damage. They could do it a choice for that person because it seems like that person is just so simple minded. They're doing what they're told and following the teacher's good lessons and leaving them an apple on the desk every friday. And it's like they're just a good little pet but no a lot of other people they deal with their shadow and they recognize. Oh my god. I can really crush lives like i can do some real damage here and now. I'm going to choose to not do that. In fact i'm going to keep my shadow and check integrated into myself or something. But i'm going to overcome that and if the universe is soul school and i think that's the best hypothesis we got there have to be tests. And maybe that's evils position in the game and i know we're a little pastime here. I hope that's okay but as we're starting to wrap this up you know your show has been really on the money these days and your fingers on the pulse of what's happening in cutting edge science. I'm curious if there are any new books in the scientific exploration of weird stuff areas that you think are must read the viruses taken up so much energy. I haven't even really dove very deep. Into what else is happening out there but other people that are you think may be good interviews for thc of a more scienc- flavor. That i should look into Greg i wish when asked that on a total different thing than my head. Space has been in the romans. I am deep deep deep into the romans into christianity into the early social engineering. And i'm just fascinated with it. That joe atwells. Well joe atwell is awesome but he kind of. He's kind of missed the first conspiracy. Which now. I've bounced it off enough religious scholars and gotten that blank stare that outright hostility that i feel very confident that the evidence is overwhelming. And it's true and the bad thing. I guess about skeptical. Sometimes i think it does frustrate people people. I do do a lot of interviews about evil and it's like there's nothing else going on in the world right now because i'm interested in naval. Well they're kind of now having been durham interviews about first century roman history invasion and josephus and but it is a story that i think we all know part of the story but i think it's a fundamental rewrite of how the game has always been planned and maybe not too far but how these guys were cop play in this thing claim the social engineering gain from the beginning. And what are the implications for where we're at so i'm chewing through that and then once i get that maybe i can return to science but right now i haven't really.

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King County Sees Rise in COVID-19 Hospitalizations in Seattle

Talking Real Money with Don McDonald and Tom Cock

00:30 sec | 10 months ago

King County Sees Rise in COVID-19 Hospitalizations in Seattle

"County's covert numbers have been on the rise for the past few weeks. But public health officer Dr Jeff Duchin says the situation continues to change. Jason's a plateau hospitalization of platitudes at a higher level than we would like to see them. Nonetheless, they factored, he says. The biggest area of concern continues to be in South King County do, Jin says it's important to keep wearing masks and distancing in public and to get the vaccine When you can. He says he expects the risk from covert will have greatly diminished sometime in May.

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King County's health officer provides snapshot of COVID-19 activity and vaccination efforts

Afternoon News with Tom Glasgow and Elisa Jaffe

01:33 min | 10 months ago

King County's health officer provides snapshot of COVID-19 activity and vaccination efforts

"Bad news type of update from the Seattle King County public health officer. Dr. Jeff Duchin likes to start his weekly UPDATES by comparing the covert outbreak to the weather forecast. This week's forecast is for continued mostly cloudy with storms possible. Over the past week, 255 new cases were reported daily, which was similar to the week before end up almost 80% from mid March. But a lot of people coming down with Cove it are not the most vulnerable incident rates have been trending up for all age groups, except for ages. 65 older and under five years with the highest rates in the 18 to 24 year olds, followed by 25 to 49 year old In the 5 to 17 year Old age group. He says he remains the geographic divide in the county. Overall Cove in 19 incidents remains highest in the cities and south and Southeast King County. Including Covington, Enumclaw. Auburn can't federal way Burian renting to quell A and C tech and, well, people continue to be hospitalized. The good news is that deaths have fallen dramatically since the peak of the fallen winter, Serge On average. Over the past week. One King County resident has died of covert 19 each day, compared with nine deaths per day during the winter peak. And although most of our oldest adults are protected through vaccination, not everyone is vaccinated. And went transmission increases in the community. The virus still confined its way to those who are most vulnerable and remain unprotected. And with that in mind,

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University of Washington COVID-19 Death Projections Show Increase By July

News, Traffic and Weather

00:32 sec | 10 months ago

University of Washington COVID-19 Death Projections Show Increase By July

"1st increasing for the first time in weeks by about 300 to more than 5800 people, I Hmm. Is dark. Rollie Mark, Dad says. Right now we face two evils variants that escaped the vaccine and the UK variant winning the battle for predominance evil. This winning right now is that for us simply because the vaccines are highly effective against mark that says the next concern then becomes whether the South Africa or Brazil variants get a foothold before winter. I'm Charlie Harder. Dr. Jeff Duchin with Seattle King County Public Health, says the fourth wave of covert

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Covid cases contInue to surge in Seattle's King County

Jill on the Money

00:15 sec | 10 months ago

Covid cases contInue to surge in Seattle's King County

"Rise in King County is not slowing down. But these increases occurred before we transition to Phase three, which will now further increase our activities and opportunities for the spread of covert. 19 health officer, Dr Jeff Duchin says that hospitalization rates

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Washington Governor Inslee rescinds state travel advisory to align with CDC travel advisory guidance

Inside Out with Tami Michaels

00:45 sec | 10 months ago

Washington Governor Inslee rescinds state travel advisory to align with CDC travel advisory guidance

"Has rescinded his travel advisory and is now advising all travelers to comply with the CDC is current travel guidance. Instead, CDC guidance says to avoid non essential travel Even if you're vaccinated, the agency plans to update those guidelines once more people have received their shot. November, Insley heads issued an advisory encouraging those traveling to Washington to self quarantine for 14 days. During a briefing, King County public health, Dr Jeff Duchin says, we've seen an increase in travel Associated cases. Please remember that up to half of covered 19 transmission occurs from people who look and appear well way do not know. That we're harboring the virus. These us When we speak, it floats in the air, and it can infect others.

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Seattle area's Dr. Jeff Duchin provides updates on trends in COVID-19 cases, vaccinations

Morning News with Manda Factor and Gregg Hersholt

01:07 min | 11 months ago

Seattle area's Dr. Jeff Duchin provides updates on trends in COVID-19 cases, vaccinations

"Says it has reached its goal of vaccinating 45,000 people a day against Cove it. The bigger question, though, is Can we keep it going? Although we're making progress, we still have a ways to go. Dr. Jeff Duchin with public health Seattle in King County, said during his media briefing on Friday that despite the progress we've made There's still that shortfall in supply. We have almost 400 providers in rolled with the state to provide vaccine here in King County, but only 24 were Abel's received doses for prime doses their first doses for new patients this week while it's help that the state received nearly 61,000 Johnson and Johnson doses You won't be able to get any more from the feds for another few weeks. Despite all these challenges, we continue to see progress like this weekend at Evergreen Middle School in Everett were over 600 Every public school staff members were able to get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine vaccination is a critical tool that we need to help bring the covert 19 pandemic to an end. In total, the state's been able to administer Nearly 80% of the doses they've received from the federal government. Make

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Seattle-area health official warns against relaxing Covid restrictions too soon

News, Traffic and Weather

00:25 sec | 11 months ago

Seattle-area health official warns against relaxing Covid restrictions too soon

"Spread. Of the virus. We'll do not become complacent. That's the message from King County Health Officer Dr Jeff Duchin unimportant covert 19 prevention measures too soon. Like jumping from an airplane and throwing off your parachute before you reach the ground. He points to states like Texas that are re opening too soon. In his medical opinion here in King County, some 600,000 doses the covert vaccine have been administered with the

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South African variant detected in King County; Authorities unable to reach Seattle carrier

News, Traffic and Weather

00:52 sec | 11 months ago

South African variant detected in King County; Authorities unable to reach Seattle carrier

"African variant of the Corona virus is officially arrived in Washington state was detected Monday in a King County positive case from late January. But contact tracers couldn't reach the person, County health officer, Dr Jeff Duchin says when the positive test came back three weeks ago. They hope the person got the proper counsel and perfect precautions and form their contacts and people were quarantined and tested. We really don't know whether this chase leads to further transmission or not. There's also concerned because the known cases in the U. K vary it here have nearly doubled the 39 while they say it's helpful that arrived at a time when case counts are dropping the after watch how it might affect that trend. The latest numbers in the State Health Department show that there are 746 new cases pushing his closer. 336,000 overall overall since since the the start start of of the the the outbreak. outbreak. outbreak. 24 24 24 more more more people people people have have have died died died from from from Cove Cove Cove in in in

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South African COVID-19 variant identified in Seattle's King County

News, Traffic and Weather

00:52 sec | 11 months ago

South African COVID-19 variant identified in Seattle's King County

"In South African variant found Monday in a positive test in King County from late January. That person could be reached by a contact tracers could not be reached. So There's no way to know how much if any of the strain might have been spread. County health officer Dr Jeff Duchin says the current dropped in case counts is cause for guarded optimism. But we must remember vulnerable to a potentially severe fourth wave, given the large number of susceptible people that remain in our population, the presence of these variants of concern that are expected to increase and the easing of restrictions on activity, presenting more opportunities for the spread of covert 19. State health officials also tell US number of known cases. Of the UK variant has nearly doubled the 39 so there's concern because that one spreads more quickly and because vaccines might be less effective against the South African strain. Schools around the state

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How to keep your Super Bowl party from becoming a superspreader event

News, Traffic and Weather

00:55 sec | 1 year ago

How to keep your Super Bowl party from becoming a superspreader event

"Super spreader events tomorrow? We've got another concern Super Bowl Sunday and Comey's Tammy Natasa saying that's a big concern. Health experts want to share Here's Dr Jeff Duchin, King County's top health official. Please don't gather indoors with non household members or everyone risks ending up on the injured list with covert 19 doctor do, Jin says. You don't know who might be carrying covert 19 and spread it to others. Especially with the more contagious variants going around, he says. If you must gather, stay outdoors, and if you end up inside, where a mask keep gathering small and spread out open doors and windows for ventilation and don't share bowls of food with others just bring your own in central Asians. Not good. The virus can build up in the room, just like cigarette smoke would and singing, speaking loudly and shouting. Without even more virus, So please try to limit loud cheering, especially for Tampa Bay. In

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Coronavirus cases are going down in Seattle's King County

News, Traffic and Weather

00:29 sec | 1 year ago

Coronavirus cases are going down in Seattle's King County

"Cases are on the decline in King County, but that's no cause for comfort cases have been trending downward for the last several weeks, according to health officer Dr Jeff Do, gentle at the same time, we can't ignore that the level of covert 19 transmission and the risk here continues to represent a serious health threat, he says of people relax their guard. The numbers could spike again even with the vaccine. He says, most problematic under the newer, more contagious strains of the virus and the limited vaccine supply.

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Seattle's King County health officer: new COVID-19 cases '"moving in the right direction"

Afternoon News with Tom Glasgow and Elisa Jaffe

00:31 sec | 1 year ago

Seattle's King County health officer: new COVID-19 cases '"moving in the right direction"

"And this afternoon some improvement to report in King County's covert numbers, officer, Dr Jeff Duchin says they're seeing about 400 cases a day. That's slightly down from its peak as well as over the month of December. We were averaging about 50 King County residents dying every week. Currently we're at 28 deaths week, certainly more than comfortable with, but at least we're moving in the right direction momentarily. But he tells the board of Health that I slow vaccine rolled out a new, more contagious strain of the virus could reverse those numbers. Jeff Pooja look come on.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

03:46 min | 1 year ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Other mediums who've reported these extended consciousness realms differently than you have but also all that information we it escapes me Alex so where they can make some headway. Let me remark on that we're not making any. Claims about the nature of other around what it's like there and so on. So there is no, there can't be a difference. Of course, as you are, of course, very nature. The way that you described it you described let me go back I can replay it for you. I can give you the transcript you said that these are actual beans and entities that lived here and that they don't really and that their personality continues mobilised, maybe those were your exact words but you did those are all claims about how the extended consciousness realm works. And that they have physicality and that they have density, those are all based Alex on a series of experiments. So perhaps, it'd be useful for your viewers and I would suggest mark is that I I I love the experiment I love where you're going in terms of false afl falsifying materialism and unarmed ex are expanded understanding of consciousness because I think that's the greatest contribution we could make I think it dovetails with the very important near death experience research that has been gone on for the last twenty years it dovetails with a reincarnation research. Like at the University of Virginia on the near death experience I know you connected with Ions and Dr? Jeff Long He's been on this show for many times and is very popular guest. But if you go look at that research, it is very problematic and they acknowledge that it's problematic. If you go look at Jeff longs database of near death experiences, they're contradictory they're all over the place. I've interviewed people on this show that have had dramatic spiritually transformative experiences that are extremely Christian based in McCormick is a near death experience or who. Now goes around to churches all around the world and his messages I saw Jesus and my end e, and I'll tell you what if you saw Jesus in yours you had a real andy if you didn't, it's probably satanic and you need to hear that step back. Yes. Hit the point is the point is I, think you guys are making the same exact same mistake exact same mistake when you start making all these kind of very cut and dried matter-of-fact statements that you got out of your Ouija board about how extended consciousness works. Well I would love to explain. This t Alex. if you'd like to listen in our book Greater Rowdy Living at Dr Schwartz, I wrote we broke down three types of avenues for afterlife and associated. Understand one is scientific research which is defined as occurring in a university, a laboratory using all the things that mentioned before control. Double Bind. exelon. To our knowledge, we have heard that there may be some research like this going on in China but otherwise, no one else is doing this sort of scientific research that Dr, Schwartz, at first of all twenty years ago with mediums as described in this book, the Afterlife Experiments, and secondly now, what's the sole phone project? Again, seven different experiments which show by replicated data, the ability of post material persons to have physicality to move air to make audio. Signals to be visualized video, etc..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

12:25 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"ACS are less willing to commit violence. Because because they don't have a a belief in God this invisible daddy who will forgive them for their for their wrongs right. That's psychological defense allows you to do anything in the name of God. You can kill in regard because you know you'll be forgiven whereas an atheist knows well there's just me in the universe. I guess I have to be responsible for myself so I guess. Psychologically that's what Frederick Michie said. Would he wrote this book beyond been evil in the nineteenth century and he said these your meaningless term. They're just morality. Your morality is is evil. Morality is good. It's a ton of subjective term. It doesn't mean anything holding. We have to drill into that. Because now we're flipping back to the other side if there is this and I want to try and pin. This down bounced around on it if there is this extended consciousness realm. And that's what I have two hundred interviews on you're not gonNA near death experience auto body experience After death communication all this stuff is confirming scientifically put that in quotes. Because has the science really breaks down as soon as we get past this material reality kind of thing which all that stuff is but nonetheless the best I evidence we have coming back suggests that there is this extended consciousness round so Nici is is not really totally right there and that it's purely surely a morality play. There do seem to be these other forces that are in play. And then if we switch over to the experiential accounts we serial killers others Murderers rapists all sorts of people of all kinds of say I was influenced by spiritual beings. We have we have those in the near death experience accounts we have those all over the place so there does seem to be these other forces at places that are outside of what niches saying. There could be yeah. I don't. I'm not a neat. She and her by any means but On Ninety something like well physicist today say somewhere on ninety to ninety five percent of the universe can't even be observed what's called dark matter dark energy and since we're the universe than that means ninety to ninety five percent of us cannot be known and so I think mystery and that's why native people often they don't we'll have a name for God they just call it. The mystery great mystery that cannot be now and I never had a problem. I was giving sermons I would say to people I. I don't have answers. None of us ultimately knows any more about God than anybody else. It's all agreed mystery as so we don't really religion. We're all kind of exploring this together and we certainly shouldn't use that as a means to kill somebody else or tell anybody else would do believe but ultimately comes down to what you think is real or not. And you know there's different philosophic schools about that like To me it's a question of well show me the evidence. I mean tangible evidence. Not somebody subjective objective experience but something that can be demonstrated that to me is. I guess. You'd call me up a free thinking skeptic in that sense but also spiritual on because I'm open the reality of that. I just need to see the US. Now that's a tough one because people who usually a spouse that belief are not very familiar with scientific evidence and how it works and they're they're looking for a particular kind of evidence and they're wanting to discount other evidence we all understand pain. We accept that there is such a thing as pain. We only understand that from personal experience. Grief is another thing we do all sorts of studies on grief and how to relieve grief. Depression would be another one. All those things are experiential so you go into the the medical slash scientific literature. It is experiential literature. We've just done the best we can to try and understand it scientifically typically so. It's no different when we go into a near death experience if it's done in the right way and it is like the study I always do. is you go to a cardiac caress board and someone has died. And you say recount your resuscitation process will neurologically. We'd have no means to explain how anyone would have any recollection of their resuscitation. But when we compare people who have had a near death experience to those who haven't even in the same cardiac arrest board. There's a dramatic difference so this evidence is not really evidence in the legal sense. I'm talking about evidence and can be like as asked we define it in a court of law that can be verified to more people according to an objective standard because even experiential stuff can vary. You know like I agree that that knowledge is expansion based we have experiences our best teacher but at the same time that experience can vary a lot in this interpreted differently like if you stimulate different parts of the brain you can have people often see as a near death. Experience is add more real than another. What is the ultimate standard of reality? I mean I don't think anyone has an answer for that but I guess that's what I'm saying. I mean if we're going to go into the science that they do have an answer for that and I've talked to a bunch of Mon- this show and these are doctors for the most part. You know you talk to Dr Jeff. Long He's a radiation oncologist in Yuma Louisiana. He's not a Christian. He's not A. It's trying to peddle some kind of Christian message. He's just investigating near the near death experience. Same with Dr Penn von Lommel Cardiologists in the Netherlands. Twenty year study and those people will come back and they'll tell you kind of what you just said. There doesn't really hold up. No we can't stimulate parts of the brain and create a near death. Experience never been done and the the results that we get from that that people do compare it to. They don't compare well so again. I don't have to take any kind of philosophical stance on that. I just look at the Peer Review. Two hundred studies. It kinda me in a different place. It's like interpreting separating the Bible like we can all this different angle because it's ultimately crusted interpretation. I mean your interpretation of that data could be different than mine but for me. The bottom line is where. Where does the latest in the end human beings seem to have a need for absolute standards and that comes out of what I believe is a lack of responsibility ability for our own experience at our own reality? I mean if if you're gonNA take full responsibility for your life you don't need proof of an afterlife experience it. It doesn't really matter what happens to us after that isn't some kind of standard week. People use the word of God. We have to be responsible in the here now every moment for our actions and that's really the reality that we should take seriously because we don't all of these crimes can can happen and people just don't feel any to do anything about them and I think that comes from not being able to tell the difference between something that's real. Imagine we know children are being killed as we speak. That's where our energy needs to go to stop these crimes that to me is always the bottom online. And that's why I tend use legal standards for things because that's how we are supposed to operate new justice in our society including to the law right which has certain very set notions of what's evidence and what isn't right. Yeah I don't know I mean as you well know. The law is equally allay problematic in a couple years ago I guess it was. I interviewed former undercover. FBI agent who had infiltrated NAMBLA Phoney Baloney Association. Man Boy Love Association is really just an Organization for pedophile to get together and have these little outings outings where they would go and collectively raped little kit. FBI Agent Twenty. Here's infiltrated it. For took him a couple of years to to do it Kevin and he was on the inside now helping them organize in being there while they plan these events and he arrested a bunch of them and some of them were convicted but his biggest complaint was that the legal standard that he had to apply to is very very difficult to her match up with the reality that he saw so he goes on an outing in New York City at the old toys-r-us in Times Times Square and these men are leaning over the railing saying the violent acts. They would like to do these little children in. He's there witnessing it it and he says it took everything I could not to. Just toss these guys over railing but not all. Those people went to prison because he didn't have the evidence wants to do it. So when we say you know just like you're begging off the scientific evidence in favor of the legal of it and not really in the Senate where it closer to the truth that we must find back off. In the scientific I was just interpreting that differently than you are and in terms of the law. The reason people aren't prosecuted is because in our society child killing abuses. Never been a crime practice. And it's the whole society is based on child abuse. Because you have to traumatize people at a young age to control. That's how elites have been governing for the last five six thousand years by traumatizing population. The young young eight. So that's why genocide child traffic. It's not a crime. It's it's people go to jail for year against the risk slapped in or let out a that's no rhyme mean by the law. I'm talking about when you're in court. You have to produce evidence based on that assumption of innocence not guilt and and that's why so many people get away as well because you have to have hard evidence that they not only that they did a crime but that what they did lead to the harm and that's where everything breaks down that chain of causalities and that's what makes it so difficult than the colors know that and that's why they get away with it legally. We need to different mechanism than the law. Not I'm not trying to put everything on that but you know I mean it's it's ultimately your aim is. I think that's when it comes down to. What is our aim in all of this? What should our aim be life protecting the innocent? I mean that to me has always been the bottom line. You know if we don't we have no future and I think that's one of the reasons our societies falling apart because we don't we've not broken from that tradition that children are expendable and can be used in thrown away. If you do that I remember. There was a couch in native Malays work on Vancouver Island. Del Mar Johnny and I said to him you now. A lot of us kind of romanticize Indians that things were fine until white people showed up and then mess you up. What did you do with their child? Abuse in your country said ensured was we had I said how do you deal with it. He said in our villages we had a special group of men and whenever anyone harming child they those men would take that personal way into the woods in you never see him again right they would just dispose of and I said well. It's kind of brutal as and he said No. It isn't because the life of that child is more important than unharmed it. Because if you don't value children about everyone you don't have a future our society would die and proofing up. That's the children. Were all carded away to the death camps in residential schools. They know that's how you break. A culture destroyed the children while we're doing it to ourselves now because this is a recent thing in history story as far back as we can go and recorded history we find this so it is. I just always bristle at the idea that were in some special time time. There is some big turmoil that the system is is at a breaking point. Doesn't seem to me to be at any kind of breaking to me. It depends if you're her depends where you are in the titanic right but what we see what we experience every day but I think insist intensifying now because of it that we can't seriously compare what we're in now to say thousand years ago because there is a lot more flexibility back then everything is so so centralized You know if we have how many days supply of food if all the electricity went out when die within two days people would be at each other's throats that's not a traditional additional agrarian society. You wouldn't have that problem so it's a lot more unstable now and people know and I think it's one of the reasons that psychosis dissociation. Everything is on the rise rampantly. Rampantly suicide is third..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

03:54 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Levels of consciousness but only to a couple of levels up or down and we're talking about the right here the same thing here because usually when i talk about that i'm talking about after we had a discussion about near death experience science and we say okay there is extended brome which you've accessed and we'll talk about that in a minute again because i was the second question and then we started looking at all these experiencers who accessed this extended consciousness realm and what they report consistently if that there is a hierarchy of consciousness that we would associate with god and the near death experience that's what they say directly and and i always say this people here for the ten th time. That's okay yeah dr jeff long who i referenced earlier. That was his surprise finding in his latest book again. He's got christie not a a religious guy. He just said hey. This is the data this is data that i encountered is over and over again. Say god god god god and they say it in ways of like i saw jesus but then they say it in ways of i saw this light being of infinite love of they say i saw this other being that you know all this kind of all these things so it's not bound by religion or anything like that. There's a hierarchy there's god it comes through over and over again and eight armed what what you said about the level of consciousness inside of us. We don't know if that's a hierarchy. We don't know if that's a system and a lot of people who when they start talking about the extended consciousness round stuff that i just did they wanna fall into the blob of consciousness well. I wouldn't really say that one. There's a moral imperative. The we don't know if anything's good are bad. If there really is evil wanna make those kind of value judgments. There is consciousness. It's larger. I'm okay. That's the way it goes. I'm just saying day-to-day to data follow the data. Wherever it leads yup data we're getting back says hierarchy of consciousness really what it says is god so go with that right but but you know at the same time if you have an example within your own existence within your own human existence first of all it would be pompous to say that you know we are the culmination donovan of consciousness and that consciousness stops with us and there's nothing above our own consciousness and i i don't think that the the evidence that we have uncovered as our simplistic listrik. You know human existences who think we're a lot more intelligent than we actually are. <hes> i think that you know looking at the model that we exist within and not saying you know that that would be extrapolated out to how that's how the whole universe works while it'd be kind of silly to say <hes> so i do believe that there are hierarchies and consciousness what those are we can't tell right. We can only understand our perceptions in our experiences through the limited understanding that are meat sued can can dan process and so you know we can get an inkling of understanding that there are hierarchies of of consciousness but we do delineate what those is are. I mean you know that's that's for world religion to say and for thousands of years of human argument and discussion to try to come together and put together of you know divas is in you know multiple gods and all this other stuff <hes> those are inventions of the human mind but are they based in experience of human consciousness sure so could they have a basis in some type of <hes> reality. Maybe you know who knows who told you to let go sean. That's the good question it tell. The story starred okay so early on in my meditation just to make a long story short. I expand on this in the blue book in the ball into a lot more than and then i will here but basically i got to this point in my life where i was like. Look you know i have all these things that humanity and society says supposed to make me happy professional success. I have financial success. They have a romantic success. They have all these things lined up..

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

04:00 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Model. We have with one exception so the mice died died. The mice are killed as part of the experiment. We're tracking their e._e._g. The e._e._g. Goes flat. That's what we'd expect. After some prolonged period of time. There's this burst of activity in the mice right. You're this does not correlate well with what that experience with the near death experiences in a minute. I might play you a clip but one major problem you have is the continuity of experience people you say as i was stabbed in the chest all of a sudden i was outside of my body. I was still alive. You know they hooked me up. Nameless i got to the hospital and then i died right and i left and i went to this place and then i came back and then i saw him resuscitate me there is a continuation of experience that doesn't that the little mouse model with the other thing about the little mouse model is the little mouse model and what you just said of what you hear all the time from the kind of shurmur s khanna indie eat a skeptic kind of thing is that hey i don't accept that the that the brain really is incapable of producing a conscious experience immune let alone remember like you said and we both agree the most profound conscious experience in your life right. I don't accept up to the brain is incapable of doing that in this state. Just hold on no no no. I'm not saying that you do. I'm saying if that's your position then throw the red book in the blue book. Throw them in the trash right because because you're then saying neurosciences full of crap they really know. We can't really measure what the what the the brain is doing. It doesn't mean anything 'cause there's these times when the brain can just completely be beyond our ability to measure it and it still functioning so so this is not an explanation that gets a table. Let me let me hold on one second. 'cause i'm gonna throw some throw an expert at you and okay because that's the the only way sometimes to get to the bottom of this is one of my favorite guys dr jeff long has written two really important books radiation on colleges you know so he works with death and dying all the time as part of his practice fulltime doctor who like so many of these. He's near death. Experience researchers just stumbled across this and it just stuck in the back of his mind. Cause i gotta get on with my practice going to become a doctor. I had an earn a living but when yeah i get a chance this is strange. This isn't supposed to happen so you know y- i had on the show and when we play you collect when when you're under general anesthesia it should be impossible to have a lucid <hes> organized remembrance at that time <hes> in fact under anesthesia. You're typically so far under you're with general anesthesia. They often have to breathe for you. You're literally brain shut down to the level of the brain stem <hes> and at that point in time some people have a cardiac caress their heart stops and of course that's very well documented on they monitor people very carefully that are having general anesthesia so i have dozens and dozens of near death experiences that occurred under general anesthesia and at this time it should be if you will doubly impossible to have a conscious remembrance and yet they do have have near death experiences at this time and their typical near death experiences they have the same elements and appear to have them in the same order as near death experiences occurring under after all other okay so let me jump in there. That's making a huge assumption that time recording in the brain is occurring at a natural pace that is also going on during our regular everyday waking awareness now one of the things you need to point out is the possibility that time dilation can occur and a lot.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

14:00 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Thrown in the face of of these researchers for the most part but i guess that's where i still see in your book. I still see someone in who is inside of an academic culture that really to me for the most part seems completely ignorant of the real science. That's that's going on in near death experience. I mean it it just is they're not they're not hitting on any of the real stuff they're just repeating while this couldn't possibly be true last last gasp of the dying brain or whatever when all these things have been addressed and they have problems with it you know there are problems with some of the conclusions and over generalizations that end ee researchers and proponents more proponents than the researchers because i think most of the research was pretty level-headed apple headed but when i read this you know this is from your book whether the prompting is biological psychological and or metaphysical in nature set that aside. I get that you have to do that. I get that you're in an academic where that's the belief that ninety percent of the folks that you you speak to have but i'd almost say if we have to set it aside then that's not what your book is about. Your really isn't about that. He sidestepped that say okay. Let that aside but now let me assume but there is a reality to it and i also don't like the kind of forced equality here you know the the biological and busy logical are really on the evidence is really on par with the metaphysical no frigging way it just niagara with you. There and i think i do say that <hes> no theory has been comprehensively able to explain away in the ease. Which is you know. It's a it's a big step for an academic book but at the same time yet is an academic book and it's not a theology theology book. It's history of religions anthropology so so there is there does have to that <hes> neutrality and you know when somebody comes along and reviews it and says i'm crypto theologian. I have a religious agenda right. Blah blah which you know they they say then i can say well look at that sentence sentence. I don't actually don't because you know i i wasn't <hes> i i don't really have a <hes> a metaphysical stake in it one way or another other and i i think i i do tend to. I definitely believe that that indies have not been explained away and i think a lot of the evidence evidences is amazing. The peak in darien hype experiences of you know where people's <hes> people that they didn't know had died and come back and find out that they did. I mean that's how do you explain things like the show jeff experiences always one that doesn't get enough attention where as other people in the room and they share or the experience they can't even pinna biological explanation on that you know yeah yeah and in another place i went out on a limb. I'm in that book is there's a section on which is basically a given all these things about religious diversity diversity of any the ease etcetera etcetera. If there is a real afterlife what could possibly be like so so what are the implications of all this diversity of for for an afterlife <hes> and i think that's you know that's not something that you're you're gonna come across in the traditional work through policy or history religions. That's where it's kind of going into you know philosophical speculation but but i think gets to me that was treating the metaphysical interpretation <hes> seriously and giving it. Its do back such an awesome point. I want to emphasize that because you know i almost missed that and when you just repeated it it kind of stirred up in me again so i want you to expound on that a little bit. It's like you're taking the leap in saying okay. Let me play the metaphysical game for a minute and now let let me try and speculate as to what the implications might be and then your book is like hey doesn't. This look like this could be the implications allegations yeah. There's a section on cross cultural indies and the survival hypothesis were kind of addresses exactly that and yeah i mean so so it's got a back to the question of <hes> you know certain certain scholars. There was a big debate in journal. Near death studies a couple years ago about how effendi ease are different across cultures. There can't possibly be an afterlife so i kind of a delve into that and <hes> because it's true if indies are evidence of an afterlife across cultures no single religion is true. We have to face set you know the christian model of an afterlife not true islamic model jewish hindu whatever and when you say not true true we it's just not exclusively true because we don't know again what your research comes through is the shirt. There's all these <unk> overlays yeah yeah but none of these dogmas. Let's say <hes> have hit one hundred percent correctly. I would say each one of them has elements that are getting heading towards the truth whatever the truth might be <hes> and to me that that truth is where there is a convergences in similarities across cultures. They're all all these <hes> similar things that people are arriving at independently are probably the things that are closest to the truth so so my in no the idea is <hes> so if everyone's different how can the i'll be right. You know if if if all these are different even between individuals in your that was recognized by by moody back he said there are no to end e es that are going to hit all of these criteria so even there how to explain it let alone bringing in <hes> katina's and ancestor spirits and whatever else so you know that's another thing that you know as i said n d eight science researchers have to confront these things but so do philosophers a theologian about the afterlife but you bring that around full circle and say you could also look at it and turn the question around and say well. Isn't that really evidence that there is something deeper going on right. Yeah you yeah you could definitely look at it that way and that's where i kind of come to an impasse the the issue of similarity to me it demonstrates mistreats indie eased the demonstrates their influence on religion but it doesn't necessarily you know just to be perfectly objective about it doesn't necessarily demonstrate that any user actually than it's an afterlife but fair enough fair enough. I i guess what struck me because i am at at this point pretty solidly convinced just by the evidence that 'cause i've talked to all those people multiple times and i just can't shoot holes in there yeah yeah but one of the things that i liked about what would you did and and where you brought me to is speculating imagining how these experiences may have informed these religions may have influenced these religions religions you know and <hes> someone who posted on the forum <hes> made the connection between life review and confessional in the in in the roman catholic church you know right and it's a loose association but can't you just see it. There's more clear cut examples that maybe you can thank of where you can almost see how these consistent themes of the near death experience do seem to be organically emerging in these religions and it's not organic really. It's coming directly from the e and a lot of times. It's it's co opted and maybe not used used in a way that we all think is so great but isn't that just the history of religion too so yeah yeah. I think that's definitely the case <hes> <hes> yeah. It's it's just a case of <hes> again. It goes back to the balancing the celebrities and the differences and and and if if there really is an afterlife how do we explain it in light of the diversity and i think for me the the model that best explains it is if you're familiar with h h price who's a british philosopher. He talks about a inter subjective afterlife life where it's basically like a lucid dream that you're sharing with other people and to me that accounts for the cross cultural similarities of an indy it also accounts as for the cultural individual particularities of hindi because if you're reading it as you're you're going along that would you know account for the thematic similarities but also the cultural differences. I think it it really addresses a lot and it also. It doesn't mean that india either just a dream or that. The afterlife is just a dream. It's another state of reality where you have the different level of creation and control involved it. Well you know what so many of the great spiritual masters have been telling us throughout time and it's also very popular topic among people who are you're interested in studying the paranormal and present time. Is that back a better way of looking at it is that our time space continuum tenuous that we experience is a small part of consciousness that we are embedded in and that would explain it yet. It's a dream this this is the frick and drink this and that's what the spiritual has told us all along so we put it in this nice little box of time space reality but when we step outside of that either through through and theologians or any number of other experiences that get us outside of that all looks different we get these downloads of information the tell us oh okay i get it now and then we have to come back and live our little humble little lives here and i guess there's really only one topic. We'll have appreciate how open yard jeters yard playing our little game here but it's been does absolutely delightful in but here's a tough one i just i just remember i didn't quite answer your previous question about <hes> christianity and confessional stuff. I was just gonna add that. <hes> <hes> when we have the and this is the catalog wider implications of of this book is when we have all these examples of people in different societies saying our religions are based on indie easer are afterlife. Afterlife beliefs are based on indies. There's no reason to think that christianity would be any different or any other religion would be any different so and i think it probably is the case because there are plenty of <hes> indies and christian traditions and going back to deal times and some people think st paul's vision was an n._d._a. So so it definitely has some similarities to greek. Oh that's a great point. I'm glad you brought that up because we kind of just jumped right in the middle of it assuming that people understand that this is like the next chapter in in this book. It's not a serving but we have to go look at indigenous people because they are the only ones who are who's you know little puny religions have been you know manipulated by these n._b._c.'s. It's like no. It's the opposite it's like right. Even get at that like you said at the beginning because you can get that cross cultural wide the myth can't travel during these periods gonna thank so yeah and an of pure land buddhism for example is very clearly a very central to that religion has his there are examples that are not just small-scale societies. Sorry nokia very good as with all your other ones grade point so here's here's my last topic and this is gonna be way outside if you're <hes> swing zone but hey that's part of the fun of pushing pushing to other things i've been doing a lot lot of research and investigation lately and it's got to be research because the the claim that human beings are contacting nine human intelligence elegance is reaching the point of something that we can actually talk about without being kind of laughed out of the room. I reference aubrey hernandez. Who's along with <hes> harvard. Social scientists rudy shields population the first academic survey of don humid intelligence contact with people it parallels some of the work of dr jeff long radiation oncologist who's done the similar largest database database for indie research and then with the disclosure in a lot of people. I always have to say this. Could people forget. We have the new york times coming out and saying okay okay. You're photos are real. Here's a video released by the department of defense there is for whatever reason were in this mode where we can now put the stuff on the table table. I wonder what we might think twenty years from now how we might consider.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

13:20 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"And you have to have that thing in order to operate in in this realm just like you have to have a car to drive on the road so one people die they up out of the body and then they are the the way they were before they had the body and they see different things because of the physics of the nature of that of that side thanks but the say something like there's a spiritual thing that's sort of putting wool factor on just some aspect of life is physics six involved and why we have our physical stuff and the physics involved in why we are not physical stuff eighteen have been an ability to you travel and blink in and out of what we call our physical reality in a sense of U._c.. Ship it'll be fine through the atmosphere great speed and then suddenly it's off radar known CONC- Blink has got an appearance you know twenty miles down suddenly so what they knew and when they do that just like you pop out of your body and you can't see the physical person can't see that you know the non-physical prison anymore they have technology that grow. I don't WanNa get too much into the physics but technology that sort of changes the vibration of the ship surrounded with the condoms signature. That's different from what it was before and suddenly we can't see it anymore and radar won't pick it up anymore. The physical reflections of light doesn't happen so we can't see it anywhere and they have technology that they can still still see us so when you talk about the spiritual ground you're really just talking about beings or people subjects or whatever over and when you talk about religions what you're talking about is stuff that's happened with beings able subjects things that have evolved into being religious constructs that we have today but there's nothing put people subjects and everything so what what you have is when you have Moses beyond exodus and amazing things seem to happen well some group made those amazing things happen and humans had to compartmentalize it to make a soda understandable so God did it and there's just being out there and they had stuff that they do and some of them might get involved evolved thus and they think they tweak this treat us that way to civilization will evolve in a better way this way or that way and we put names on those beings and say this God that is so Lonzo so that's what they're is hold on because there's so much to process there. This was right in my swing zone so I guess the first question I'd ask the question I ask all skeptics atheists is is there any meaning to any of this. Is there any meaning to the universe yeah run. One thing I've concluded certain is that there is a larger being that some people may want to call God. There is something larger being you might want to call it a different name. Some people call it. All that is inning. It's whatever it is. It's everything that exists this and there is no such thing as a God that separate from you but basically there is is everything that's exists in the universe from a rock to a computer monitor to a person to inchworm. Everything is alive absolutely nothing. That's not alive. It's all the same phenomenon I'm an of wave form said interact and these way farms produce amalgams of things that sort of congealed together it we see as people in subjects and things okay God. Is there a moral imperative. Is there a right and wrong. We don't know what we do know is that there is nothing but energy in the universe. There's no such thing as matter and there's probably no such thing as distance echoes against against mainstream physics angle but physicists have never ever ever ever found anything solid if you look at your desk you say that solid my body. It looks on it but it's not it's just empty. Space Molecules you go into the molecules is empty space. Atoms you go into the atoms get empty space in Subatomic particles. Go went to the Subatomic particles you get empty space and it goes down the rabbit hole. They've never found anything that's a solid thing they just find energy and these articles and the particles articles our energy manifestations they come out of wave back. It's just a complicated physics stuff. There's nothing in the entire universe except energy E. Equals M._C._c. where energy it was a scaler multiple of mass amass an energy or the same just different versions of the same thing so so we have the entire Universe is energy and that includes us and what you might WanNa call our souls. There's nothing existing anywhere in our universe. I isn't energy and so what happens is you can say well then. If energy is everything then we're thinking and everything sort of coming out of energy so it turns out that in fact there is such a thing as a larger being that's composed of all all of this energy and this larger being from the best we can figure it out a speculating but from the best that we can figure out this larger being wanted to know what it felt like to be us it. It wanted to know what it felt like the live almost an infinite a variety of different experiences and so broke itself up into little pieces and the pieces interact and they're called Alex and Courtney and they're cold other things and under Cold Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and and it goes on and on and on and so these these interact among themselves so is there a God <hes> we'll do is larger being. That's alive because we're alive. Is there a being beyond the larger bay at UNICEF. If you say courtney is it possible to speak to God is absolutely. I'm doing that right now. L. Exit you and you're talking to me. We're all part of that larger thing and so everything that's inanimate like a chair or something like that is also part of that same energy and on some level that we don't understand everything somehow exists as living thing. We and I don't know how don't ask me to explain the consciousness of her desk. I mean I don't know I don't understand all of that but it's all part of the same thing and and so what we have here is a larger being that we can call all the days and other real questions. What is game plan for this all that is that's one of the questions but I wanNA keep I wanna keep bringing you back? Your the science guy you love science. I Love Science. We just haven't been allowed to probe science because they keep spinning on all this stupid stuff that is pseudoscience so I take the over two hundred peer reviewed studies in the near death experience science science as being significant import just like I take the contact experienced science and the work that they've done as important and I try and merge emerged truant understand the two and I guess I just can't step past all that near death experience science one because we understand the physiology physiology there of particularly people who've had a cardiac arrest and then have a near death experience so their heart stopped which means that the brain is not functioning in way that would normally produce consciousness and yet they're having these experiences in the extended consciousness realm now for you. You might say no big deal. We've probed extended consciousness. Not just this realms without the brain without body. We get that that exists but I take that and say okay what are we understand about the content of those experiences and with they're telling US consistently over and over again and I interviewed Dr Jeff Long Radiation Oncologists Compa the largest database or three thousand near death experiences wrote a New York York Times Bestseller Book and he says Alex they're talking about God and he goes this is under reported because people don't want to deal with it or can't deal with it or it doesn't fit into their paradigm or like you said it's not academically acceptable but this is the overwhelming experience people have more than saying the tunnel ordered saying in all these other things it's got its experience a <unk> higher being that they understand associate and understand in this kind of I understand everything way right so in these realms than it's like boom download information everything everything I know there's a God I know there's a hierarchy of beings. I know there are great Baynes. Which you talk about in some your videos your great beings the Yogis the masters the mystics the Christian mystics are will whatever religion mystics these are great beings that seemed to be on some kind of spiritual hierarchy? They always talk about a moral imperative. There is a right and wrong. You will judge yourself based on your deeds and you will know as you know down here. You know what's right and wrong and up there you will know what's right and wrong and this is not a religious kind of thing because there's not some big mean God on a cloud his judging you it is a soul journey. Oh you judging yourself kind of stuff but this data to me and I call it data because that's what it is. It seems to be an inescapable part of what we're talking talking about so I got push their <hes> the blob consciousness thing. It's all just life. I think we know more than that at this point but but I'm not sure you quite agree with me well. It's a good point to wrap up the interview with <hes> it it it tells you where we don't know things so Alex then we end the interview by saying we don't know the answers to that and that there are other people that have their views what they think is going on and they may be right and they may be wrong but we're GONNA plead on plodding along with what we do at farsight until we film in as many the blanks as possible but the question you just asked are the ultimate questions so rich in terms of my own interest. I'm sort of wondering why why this being it's all it is broke itself up into pieces and like what is the game plan. What is the ultimate thing and I'm interested if that being ever found another being like itself and I'm interested in knowing if it broke itself up into pieces because it experienced and I mean we just don't know the answers to these things things and the answers to the questions that you'd has rays are just as interesting and that's why so interesting to have so many people raise these questions in right these valuable books about about this subject we don't know and there's more that we don't know and we do know awesome will again folks? Our guest has been Dr Courtney Browne. You'll you'll find his just incredible work at the farsight institute. Please do watch his video so many of them are now available for free that he used to sell. We'll buy the ones that he.

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

05:05 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Don't like when we want to say, well, it must. Have emerged a million years, it, well, maybe maybe maybe not. Well, yeah, of course, but I was I was not trying to say that, you know, Neo Darwinian models. Explain everything I was just saying that you can't eliminate the need. That is a basis of for some aspects of you know how the brain involved. And the brain, you know, without a brain, we wouldn't be talking about this stuff. And consciousness. Obviously some people have tried to dismiss it, but, you know, people have realized how ridiculous that was, so you have to you have to at least to explain how the brain got to be the way it is. And the fact that you have all of these proclivities for language for recognizing kinship for a recognizing some sort of supernatural, dimensions spirit world in no, the fact that they're universal indicates that there's something in the structure of the brain that opens up those windows, if you like and it's basically opening the window. But it's not saying you know what the content of the window is going to be or what, what's actually out there. So that is a whole nother question in something else that needs to be addressed by other means? But at least you got the structure in place. Be able to deal with these things. I'm with you. And I and I do total appreciate where you're coming from. And I wanna get back to talking about your work, but I do have to aggress again, because it's the nature is conversation, and it's fun, particularly because you are. So open to exploring this given your position, which is quite unique. But if you've ever investigated the near death experience science, it's, it's fascinating. And it's really kind of a case closed for the for the all the brain stuff, you're talking about because now we have people that no matter whether you want to call them, dead or not dead, or in whatever state. Their brain is in a state that isn't supposed to support conscious memories or the creation of conscious experiences in any model. We currently have of neurology. Let me play a clip for you from an interview I did with. Dr Jeff long was radiation oncologist. And then by way of that got interested in deer death experience. But what I want to point out to you in the clip. Is that here, we're talking about a brain state? That is not associated with what we normally associate with having a conscious experience, and yet, they are having a conscious experience. So just for fun. Lemme play this, and then we can get back to saying what that might mean about extended consciousness in the spirit world. Is that okay? Listen to this for minute earthier when you're under general, anesthesia, it should be impossible to have Lucic organized remembrance of that time on fact, under anesthesia, you're typically so far under with general anesthesia, they often have to breathe for you. You're literally brain shut down to the level of the brain stem. And at that point in time, some people have a cardiac arrest, their heart stops. And of course, that's very well. Doc, you. Rented. They monitor people very carefully that are having general anesthesia. So I have dozens and dozens of near death experiences that occurred under general anesthesia, and at this time it should be if you will doubly impossible to have a conscious remembrance, and yet, they do have near death experiences at this time and their typical near death experiences. They have the same elements and appear to have them in the same order as near death experiences occurring under all other. I cut that off their under all other circumstances. So you get the general idea. Yes. You're you'd still completely valid what you're saying about our brain and this close relationship. We all know an experienced between our brain and our consciousness. But again were at this uncomfortable edge of where is this consciousness? And how much of it is in our body, and, and how does that fit into this overall investigation that you've done in terms of how culture incorporates that in? Yeah. Well, one of the interesting things about the near death experiences is that, you know, it's a it's an arguable insights, or one of the very few situations where he can say where you can try to use that as an insight in to the nature of supernatural. Existences and consciousness. You know, surviving past has to individual

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"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

11:00 min | 2 years ago

"dr jeff long" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Polish. This is where you know, we these debates just go downhill because you've. The witness of your position, you just think you misunderstood how science works completely. Which is why so many people criticize your position like this is just a fact of science we nothing essentially of the universe. We know nothing zero of everything slow mixture. I understand your position your position is yes. Near death experiences happen they happen after a time, which the brain appears to be severely compromised, and in the way that we normally associate with brain that produces consciousness, but there is some other processes going on that we can't currently measure that would account for the near death experience is that a fair summary summary of your position. Yeah. I could actually go into more detail to like, we know we can't measure that level of detail because we know these things only measure at certain level, which is a range of tens to hundreds of thousands of neurons. Hold on before you go into all that because you're not an expert in any. Of that. What about the experts in neuro science who say will Tom we've already tried to measure that we don't believe that there is any activity at this point. There is any explanation for what you're talking about. When brains are in these compromise states, and they're not producing any electrical activity, Tom we've studied this every which way for seventy years, there's no evidence of those kind of brain states ever producing conscious. What would you say to those neuroscientists say, you're misrepresenting them? Because anyone I talked to I'm going to ask can you measure at this level? They're gonna say, no, our technology only goes to this level. We can't measure at this level yet when they come back and say, but Tom we've measured it at this level. And we don't see anything or I'm going to say can you measure to this level? They're going to say, no, the maximum resolution has this level. We can't measure it. We do not have the physical capabilities with FM arise or e g to measure this level yet. We cannot believe. At at some point down the future. We'll get to that level. And then magically the problem will be solved, and we'll say, oh there it is. That's what happened will my argument is that you're trying to falsify this position that at any level that there can be a physical explanation of consciousness, I'm saying you can't make that claim you can't justify that claim. You can only claim that to this this level of magnitude. We don't have a physical explanation of consciousness hundred percent agree with you. But you can't claim it this level. There isn't one. Hey, maybe maybe Noah built that fucking arc man. I I don't know if he built the ark into the same very likely to me. But hey, maybe we'll to the arc example because this is just science just you just but you don't have any science. Did you time? You're just saying at some point. There will be some discovery that will rescue my position, you're not basing anything that's been published. So far the closest thing you have is. Are you familiar with the study from the university of Michigan with the brain burst? After. Fifteen minutes of no brain activity in the rats. No, I'm not I haven't even looked really really simply because this is this is like the closest thing that we have to science to support your position. Oh, actually, I just saw one about where they tried to revitalize a pig. Pigs brains after it was killed, and they tried to re re reignite the brain activity. They got some of its work. That was pretty cool. Listen to this one because it it is the closest one I know that would fit into your wacky theory. And that's that these guys at the university of Michigan. They studied rats, and they looked at the EEG of these rats and the rats died, and then there was a period of time. And it was in the minutes range like five ten I wanna say fifteen minutes, and there was no activity, and then at the very end that was this burst of activity, and they didn't say it had anything to do with near death experience. But a bunch of people jumped on the cause and said because people like you are looking for some way to kind of. Blast out the near death experience. I and they said, that's it that's near death experience. That's what it must be see we thought what you're saying. We thought these brains were dead, and yet here they are were having this burst of activity at the end. That's the closest thing you have to science again. That's a wacky idea in isn't supported by the near death experience science. If you really look at it, if you really talk to the experts, but it's closer to what you're talking about. Then to just say, well, there's something else out there that we haven't discovered yet. That'll solve the problem. Let me clarify think of making different argument here. So your position is trying to falsify the naturalist physician. Right. That's correct. Well, what we said was that we both agree that if you take the position that consciousness is emerging property the brain one area of science to look at where we could kinda get a handle on. Whether that's true or not is near death experience because near death experience claims to be about people who were having consciousness experiences at a time when the brain is so severely compromised that modern day neuroscience would say it's impossible for it to have conscious experiences. So right there you just made a critical mistake. Modern science can't ever say anything impossible. I didn't I didn't actually say impossible. I said modern science would say, it's it's not within maybe amp off I'm sorry. But it it saying that modern science neuro science would say, there's no brain activity when there's no electrical activity in the brain. That's what modern neuro science would say, categorically. So you can go in the categorically the same thing as impossible all science is tentative provisional. Say is. Yeah, we can't measure this. That's it can't say, it doesn't exist. It says we can't we can't say there is no supernatural. We can just say we can't measure any supernatural, right? Yeah. There's no argument there. Here's my arguments. You can't claim that it's not a natural explanation because it could be one we just haven't discovered yet. So you can't then conclude that because we can't measure it. There is not a natural explanation. Now that may or may not be I'm not gonna make a claim on that. I'm just saying that you do not have the justification to conclude. It is not a natural relation. Therefore, it supernatural. Just like you can't claim it Noah didn't built that Bill that art because there are evidence of nails. You cannot prove that he didn't build that arc. You can't prove that. Right. I can't prove it didn't build the ark say incredibly unlikely, but there's no good. It's incredibly unlikely that after seventy years of neuroscience in EEG science and thousands of peer review. Papers in both humans and animals that it's highly unlikely that they just oh, gosh, charm, they missed something. And there's this whole other area of consciousness that if they just had a little bit better measurement of it. They would have it. Where highly unlikely. That's like a guaranteed one hundred percent that we there's lots of stuff about the brain. We don't know. Would you disagree? With that statement that there's lots of stuff about the brain. We don't know. All we can do is argue inside of the parameters of what's known what science this. I don't even like engaging in this. Because this is you know, you've done a fantastic job with this thus far. I just don't like getting into all the skeptical. Bullshit of you know, false occasion, this zoologist nonsense. Use look at the science you talk to the best experts. If you have a better expert, I sent you all those papers. I agree with all of that. I agree with all of the science. You don't agree with all of it? Because if you agreed with all of it, this is a really interesting point that I'll I'll make a interrupting units. I do I do wanna pick up on that. But go ahead. So the way we would normally in my opinion, the way we would normally handle this is we would go to the researchers who've really studied it. And we'd look at those researchers like Dr Penn bound Lommel that you mentioned Dr Jeff long, Dr Sam Barnea dependent doc. Well, he didn't really research near death experience. He just had one. And then he researched a little bit after. But all these other people. What's interesting about them? Tom is they just were curious. They were doctors you talked to Jeff long as the great guy. I've talked many times he's just doing his thing radiation oncologist. But when he was doing his residency he stumbled across these people that seem to come back from the dead. And report these six he's like it's like looking around like, hey, everyone else. See this what's going on? And he couldn't believe that everyone else. Like a man don't go there. You know, just gotta do your thing. Well, he did his thing. But he also. Oh went there the same with pin? Von lommel. He's a world recognized cardiologists in the Netherlands in he stumbles across this. And he says I'm not gonna let this go. So these guys don't have an agenda. They're not on the board of the Christian church of whatever trying to advance something. They're just curious doctors wondering what their patients are experience. So normally what we do is just rely heavily on their conclusions. And the the most the hardest. One of them was Sam party. I interviewed him on this show several times I interviewed him years ago. And I said, what's your conclusion about all this? And he goes if I had to conclude at this point, I'd say that this is a trick of the mind, and I really held his feet of fire. I really was was held this week to a trick of the mind. And his and he goes, well, I don't know. But he kind of held that position. And then few years later, he did more research. And he said, you know, I was undecided before now I'm decided I'm with everyone else it appears by every way that we understand it Koch consciousness seems to survive bodily death. So that's what every near death. Experience are down the line looking at it in every possible way looking at blood samples if there's any blood change if they're looking at chemicals in the brain looking at brain of the looking at the whole shebang, they all come to the same conclusion consciousness survives bodily up. So Tom you can jump in there and say, maybe they missed something. But I think it behooves you to kind of bring something to the table with evidence. Lemoyne more point let me go on for a long time. Shurmur Michael Shurmur, who is like I said in my mouth Lynn of us with

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