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19 - Vaccines and the Future of COVID  with Epidemiologist Dr. George Rutherford

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19 - Vaccines and the Future of COVID with Epidemiologist Dr. George Rutherford

"From who media? A. PC. down. This isn't the same rehashed discussion of covert. This is. Well more worth listening to. This is stuff that you need to know. This is medicine we're still practicing. I'm building. Of course, I by friend and Co host zooming in Dr Steven. Tailback he's a quadruple board certified doctor of Internal Medicine Pulmonary Disease Critical Care and neuro critical care, and he continues to fight on the front lines of the covert battle here in California for which we are eternally grateful. Steve. How you doing? Hey Bill. Good to see you. And R various special guest Dr, George Rutherford. He is the internationally lauded head of infectious disease and global epidemiology at the UCSF School of Medicine. He is also UCSF's professor of pediatrics and adjunct. Professor School of Public Health at California Berkeley. I had a chance to print out Georgia's see. It's one hundred, twenty, six pages long with two hundred and twenty one published papers and so many important accolades. So I'm going to read the whole thing to you now. Only. Kidding. Dr Authored although socially distance. Thanks so much for joining real pleasure. So Professor of epidemiology and biostatistics director at the prevention and Public Health Group. What do you do? Well, I'm an academic. So I teach school right I do research and I provide advice. So the mission of anybody in Academic Vinnie academic medical entity is education research, clinical care and public service. So my clinical care is really the clinical practice of public. Health and I advise the City Health Department San Francisco Department of Public Health, the California Department of Health and some of the various health departments around the state on approaches to controlling the Kobe deputy hammock. You did mention that your research is partly funded by CDC. Yes. That's correct. Yeah. Hell is a bit about that and how that affects your work during these crazy days. So I've worked with CDC for decades and most recently. I've been doing predominantly HIV related work in developing countries as part of the Presidential Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief I, have a large competent, very competent research group that basically tries to help governments and occasionally universities but mostly governments CDC missions in developing countries to understand what's going on with their. HIV. Epidemics, how things are working to evaluate progress and to discover new ways to try and stop the spread of HIV and try and. Improve. Clinical outcomes of people who already have HIV. So cases per one million population worldwide is running at about three thousand, five, hundred cases per one million in the US is running at about nineteen thousand, three hundred. So did we screw up or do we have a population that's more difficult to manage? Yes and yes, we have six fold higher numbers of cases than we should have and other countries like India may eventually catch up. I think that the US mister major opportunity early on and that was the problem with not having up tests and having the wrong tests and having tested didn't work and trying to control tests and trying to restrict out tests were being used for whom they are being used. I think they've always been you know a whole myriad lack of policy leadership which the states. have taken over and I think first of all the bay area in which the six county health departments acted in concert to move to a shelter in place ordinance early on on March. Sixteenth, and there is a very good reason for March sixteenth it was the day before Saint Patrick's Day, and then later the state moved in the same direction. So I think California's really been a leader in this. Now, you wouldn't know it from the last two months or three months since mid June under there's a huge wave of new infection a disappointed but I think we still are leaders in this. We showed data today in medicine grand rounds at UCSF that looked at numbers of deaths per hundred cases and in New York ten percent in. San. Francisco, it's zero point, seven percent. So it's less than one percent in San Francisco and the next best in a big city is something I one and a half percent did we screw up as a country? Totally? Did we screw up regionally in the north in northern California I don't think. So we scrub stay somewhat I think we made the reopening little to easy S. Really Hindsight Wealth speak that hindsight just for a second I mean in New York they've had four hundred, forty, five, thousand cases in thirty, three, thousand deaths. So they got a hold of this thing long before we did but we've already exceeded the case we're up to seven, hundred, fifty, thousand cases almost eighty percent more than they've had, and we've had fourteen thousand deaths. Half of what they've had when you say that we as a country may have screwed up, do we have a hold of this thing now and how much of it is that the population is not wearing masks enough especially young people who've decided that they're not as susceptible what New York was bad luck and they had continuous importation from Europe and may have had who? knows. Thousands of cases imported from Europe each one of which starts a new chain of transmission. We in San Francisco we probably at tens coming from Asia and you know the first death care was on February six dot and that was diagnosed retrospectively. Womanhood attended a convention in Las Vegas choose living in Santa, Clara County near San Jose and that convention probably people from China. or at least in the in the hotel that's probably where she got it. If she'd come home and hit a large crowd event at the wrong time with very high levels of virus inter nose and throat and spread it around we could have been just as bad office New York but we weren't and that's really a question of luck. So New York at Bath Block. But guess what we do. This was coming since the thirty first of December. That's when the UBA provincial CDC notified the central Chinese CDC that Oh, by the way, we may have a little problem here the central Chinese CD setup team to Wuhan on December thirty first basically started began an immediate investigation started closed down and drain the whole thing under control. That was the starting Bell I. Mean there was basically two months lost now CDC will say, well, we were having we we developed tests. We did this. We did that. Yeah, that's true. But then the FDA threatened to decertify their laboratory that was producing testing. They produce tests in the hundreds, not in the tens of thousands which was what was needed thousands. Of people came from Europe to New York and it got spread around helped by a couple of super spreader events where people in fact, at one person they affect hundreds of people at the same time. Do we actually know who in wear? That was? Yes. It was a lawyer who lived in new. Rochelle enacted one hundred, twenty one people at his firm. And at a synagogue, well, you know if you don't mind me throwing your CV at you it, it says that it ucsf some of your work is in immunizations and bioterrorism. Yeah. So let's start with the bioterrorism part. Is there anything here that mirrors that and have we now convinced the world that we are more susceptible to that issue because of our lifestyle? I mean Iran had just as big a gigantic epidemic as we did as to China as does Russia as does India as as Western Europe. So I mean we're hardly impervious, but from from a social perspective because we are so rebellious as a country, fifty percent of the population seems to the naysayers relative to public health whereas other countries perhaps are a little bit. More, cooperative economy is so important to us and whether or not. We're a little uncomfortable because we want people to see our lips. We seem to be lacking discipline. We have a hyper individualistic streak as part of the national psyche and against continuously promoted. So wearing masks is important for three reasons. Okay. Number one, you protect yourself from inhaling this viruses we're talking predominantly. Droplet transmission and we're talking about close contact. If you have a mask on your chances of becoming infected, go way down, you have a feel in terms of numbers to what degree you lower your risk by wearing a mask. Probably sixty percent at depends on what the at glasses honor not to you. If you have glasses on especially safety glasses, you can make it. Almost negligible the contract Taibbi, the lining around the I. The thing that gets read when you get Pinkai is part of the respiratory epithelium and communicates with the respiratory epithelium is part of the respiratory tract and has the same receptors on it that the rest of the respiratory tract us and so yes, it can be a portal of entry, which is why we go. To these elaborate lengths with facials and safety glasses and stuff interesting. You know we had some shows in one of our sister shows here politics meet me in the middle where we talked to some university presidents and talked about how they were opening up their schools and they all did so much work at least looked like they were doing so much work are they? Talking to you are they asking you how they should do this or not do this? Yeah. I'm on a UC wide committee that basically tries to provide advice to the president of the UC system about a million things about public health Aramco virus including screening for how to reopen not reopen. What do you do when somebody's sick had do contact tracing on campus all. Those kinds of things would you tell them? First of all, I got a decrease density night. You're really talking about one person per room. So that cuts the size of enrollment half. You're saying five thousand people at risk versus twenty thousand people at risk by by reducing the size classes and dorms etcetera, and then when there's somebody gets infected, you have pods of ten. People have to go into quarantine if you get it done, right it's really complicated doing colleges quite complicated to in high school too because people change classes all the time you said that we can get away with kindergarten through third grade basically European attrition and said younger children are not that susceptible if they're infected and they're not, it's transmissible generally can you explain that? Sure. The receptor that you have like as receptors, the only word I know the protein on the surface of the cells that the virus attached to to invade the cell they're less dance. There are fewer of them for service area in younger children than in adolescents and adults. so they're fewer susceptible ports of entry. Basically, the observation is that they're not a lot of pediatric cases diagnosed. We know that there are pediatric cases, but they're just not as proportionately as many as an older age groups. The other thing we knows that children are less likely to develop severe complications. Now, that doesn't mean they don't develop severe complications because they can and their arch. Deaths and in household studies, if the first case in a household is a child, there's less transmission than of the first case, the household as an adult. So other direct comparisons way that you know there's all school of thought that says because they're short. I kid you not with the Aerosol Hits your knees rather than your nose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Busy get caught on your your size right but that's the observation and that's the physiology behind. The other thing is that the observations are around the world all the outbreaks have been in middle schools and high schools. Yes. There is an outbreak in a summer camp in Georgia but if you read through that and look at the timing of that, carefully looks like all the kids were infected by counselors in the first. Three days they were there rather than transmitting kid to kid I've got a couple of grandkids of four and a half year old and roughly a two year old and believe it or not. While lots of schools are closed in California. There's is not how much do I have to worry as GRANDPA about getting year my kids or my kids kids were supposed to see my kids for dinner tonight should I do it? Yeah. Were they going to have I was thinking about Bill Parmesan? Is that a problem? That sounds pretty good. There's little. Kids aren't getting much of that. So more for you how much lower is the risk? If I'm willing to take some risk that the kids could go to school and come home with a transmissible disease that I don't WanNa have there's not a lot of risk know the Swiss of actually issued an edict it it's okay for grandchildren to hug their grandparents there's very interesting kind of legislated things. My favorite was the Prime Minister of New Zealand sent a letter to every kid in New Zealand under the age of seven or eight or something, and said that by decree she declared the Easter Bunny and essential worker as taxpayers dollars really well spent. In. Fact it is probably you know. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. Welcome to life done better. Listened to the weekly episodes where supermodel and health coach. Jill Diong talks to some of the world's most inspiring women in health and wellness. It's the place for all the UNICORNS who strive to create a life on their own terms. Join us to explore, discover and create a life done better together. Listen and subscribe from Kurt Co Media Media for your mind. We're back with Dr Georgia. and Dr Steven tape not a slightly more basic for minute up until about a month ago we would get our groceries either delivered or go to the grocery store and you would have thought we were in a hazmat suit and going into a biohazard when we go to the grocery store and then I would get home in dowse everything including the apple in alcohol because I was worried than I was bringing home virus they've been told that that might be overkill. So can about surface transmission for a minute and what have you found out? Yeah that's overkill service transmission or as we say in the trade foam might transmission we`re Basically a surface has been contaminated by somebody sees air coughing on it and you come along and you get it on your fingers and rub it in your eyes or nose theoretically possible of doesn't appear to be that big a problem epidemiologically they're always sort of more facile explanations than that. Actually the amount you need to get enough infectious virus may be on the order of milliliter or so. So what I say it's glistening, it's unlikely to be infectious depths, sufficient numbers of particles. You know I don't flip out and do do crazy stuff and I wash my hands after I get out but I don't bother to wash the fruit. You'd mentioned about sixty percents diminish transmission if you're wearing a mask and another thirty percent if you're wearing by wear, why are we not mandating eyewear as well just too big a nut to crack. We can barely get people to mask. So why bother adding the stress of goggles remember that that's just about protecting you. If you're infectious, your mask cuts out ninety five percent of your ability. To, transmit to other people, the third thing is because they cut down the number of particles that get through. If you do get infected going to get infected with a lower dose of virus and you're going to have less severe disease most likely you protect yourself from infection period protect others. In case you're infected, and if you do happen to become infected, you're going to have less severe disease. Interesting. Do I have to throw this mask out tomorrow? No you have your unmask. Right? You're not sharing it with anybody no. Okay. But. You don't want to be touching the front of your mask if theoretically inhaling potentially you know viral particle. Yeah. You take it off from the years. You don't pull it off like this. What are your thoughts about the Russian vaccine that supposedly is ready to be launched as putting. Got It yet I think professional courtesy. I don't think he can actually get. Okay, the problem with the Russian vaccine is a human adenovirus vector taxi, which means they've taken a piece of viral rna that code for the spike protein. The sticks off the top of the virus actually uses with these receptors we are talking about, and once he added Oh virus infects humans and the adenoviruses are in a with this little edition gets inserted into a human genome. It will spit out just pieces of protein. So that's the idea. Right. The problem is, is that they're using human adenovirus. One of the concerns is that people have immunity to those. Addo. Viruses caused some Kohl's. And whether you can actually get an ad, no virus infection established in a large part of the population that may have had previous experience with viral vector. So that's the issue about the Russian vaccine. The Astra Zeneca Oxford vaccine uses a chimpanzee Adenoviruses, and so unless you've been working at the circus or something, you probably unlikely to have come in contact with a chimpanzee adenoviruses. Is a good point just yesterday from when we recorded this program AstraZeneca actually put their trial on hold right because they had an adverse reaction in the United Kingdom. Yes. So on the one hand yes that's a big hiccup in makes us all go. You know Oh that's too bad on the other hand the Bravo it makes me feel better to like this scientific process instead of a political profit based. Yeah and at least the statement today from the CEO. Profits from the axiom area doing it for the good of humanity thing. From your vantage point when are we going to movie theaters? Gin. When we'll be back in baseball stadium, those are two very different things. So talk about outdoors the Kansas City chiefs are opening the NFL season tonight and they're going to have ten thousand people in the stands. So the answer is if you live in Kansas City Missouri, it's now. Let me qualified that question. Safely. I think as we pretty safe whether it's economically feasible to have won six of the gate in I. Don't know how long does it really take before her immunity or combination of heard and Andorra treatment and or vaccine that gets you to the place where we can resume everyday life. Say Forget about naturally acquired herd immunity. That's GonNa comment much too great a cost in terms of mortality in terms of vaccine immunity of the vaccines work, and if they make it, we have enough of them we can actually give him starting at the beginning of next year I'd say this time next year you could be dodger stadium, but you may. There may still be social distancing and they're gonNA WANNA make sure you're vaccinated for the you in first of all I think people don't realize how long it takes to vaccine the public my understanding is they're talking about Oh maybe getting three million people vaccinated a day which doesn't that mean that it's going to take us five months to vaccinate the population. So, let's just start with California California's forty million people. So Dodger Stadium has fifty thousand seats about right. So that means, you'd have to fill up dodger stadium eight hundred times. That's the kind of effort you're talking about 'em. We can no longer use jet injector, which is what they used in the old vaccination campaigns because of HIV, titus see risk you know you're going to have to give individual doses with and syringes. So yeah, you can backstage fifty thousand people in a day one location but to do all of California in four months, they're all two dose series by the way. So you have to give eighty million doses. Every is a two dose. It's not just some of the No. All the ones that are in advanced stages or two does the twenty one, twenty, eight days apart. is a rumble going around especially with millennials that they don't want to jump into an early vaccine unless they're aptly forced to a they feel like they're super people that they're not really subject to it because they have a stronger immunity. Then frankly there's a lot of doubt about whether these trials are gonna be complete and safe. What's your prognosis of our vaccinating our population successfully getting enough people to participate I think he'll be lucky if we get fifty percent was that enough to kind of push this hurt unity concept. No. It probably need to vaccinating about eighty percent. So the metoo to factories. So we go to serve our latest greatest public health experiments, San Quentin State Prison San Quentin had a horrendous outbreak of Kobe nineteen. It didn't stop until seventy percent of the inmate seven zero were infected. So I think that's probably pretty close to herd immunity lies now is being in prison like being in the regular world. Who knows right? How knows how analogous it is? It might be closer to a cruise ship, but the ship got to eighty five percent. So I think what we're going to say is that herd immunity lies somewhere north of fifty or sixty percent. If you have a vaccine that's ninety percent effective, which jeff to immunize another ten percent get to the ninety percent of that. We're trying to get to seventy percent of the population immune. Immediately, we have to vaccinate seventy seven percent of the population, right? That's a big ask, and that's probably not going to happen. But which I think we look for is one to have an option so that there is an option for those people who believe in it to do whatever they can to prevent the illness and then the rest if they've chosen in. This freedom of choice country that we live in but also the magnitude of the onus, the magnitude of the impact on the population will still be markedly less. You have had some people who've already had the disease perhaps our immune, those people who have been vaccinated the severity. The intensity of the epidemiologic disaster that we're experiencing now will be mitigated tremendously. Would it not it'll be cut down by the proportion of people are vaccinated. If. The VEX doesn't work if it only partially where. Is it possible that getting the vaccine gives you a less severe case or is it just a yes or no question about whether you get the disease? Well, they're judging at two P CR positives whether you're actually infected with the virus and not so much clinical disease of the end points in the trials are about becoming infected not so much about clinical disease although they will have clinical disease end points. The best way to prevent death is to prevent illness the best way to prevent illnesses to prevent transmission and infection. Can't people out of course, can opt out unless they work in hospitals or going to schools in which case they'll probably be forced but you know you're going to see people want evidence of immunity to get on an airplane walk into a restaurant to go to the dodgers game to go into a theater you're gonNA see a lot of pushback about people who don't get vaccinated. Impossible in this country for a government to say you guys have to get vaccinated I don't think whatever happened I mean we can do it in the military. We can make it a condition of employment at hospitals and nursing homes. We can make it a condition of tendencies and schools. We could potentially make it a condition of employment by school. So the University of California system is requiring everyone could in the guys cut the grass to get tested the ideas that there ever is GonNa have to get vaccinated eventually. We haven't factored inquired influenza vaccine across all the campuses and for students as well. So speaking about the vaccine's just recently, there was a joint issue of kind of a public pledge. I understand company Pfizer and change a talking about they're not going to seek approval for their vaccines until they're really ready and really safe. How do you feel about the process that these companies are going through in what level of confidence you have? Well, that gives me a lot more confidence that they're not going to be a rush. There was nine companies by the way nine. CEOS. Who signed that and it gives me quite a bit of. Confidence that we're not gonNA have a rush to something that's less than safe. Are they really waiting for safety or they're using safety as a political ploy because their fear is that there's going to be political pressure not to put them out because of the ultra conservative government that we have. Now with the hope of a more liberal, socially conscious and socially aware government that may be coming in the future understand. The issue of safety is a complex issue with vaccines because you're vaccinating people who have no disease, it's not like therapeutic trials like Steve Dozen, the neuro ICU or the basic based population is very sick to start with. Vaccinating, people without any illness at all. So you have to be absolutely positive to the greatest extent did you can be that it's safe. Now having said that rare complications will not show up in the trials and if they do show up in the trials like this case of transfer smile itis in Britain, you know that's a real signal flag that there might be something there. Sometimes things show up years later. Well correct. Because you've all of a sudden, you move from one hundred thousand people being in three trials to having four million people who've received the vaccine. Is this going to be alive vaccine dead. Well the Addo Virus. Live. Right deal. That's the idea in the Astra Zeneca vaccine that the are given the adenoviruses in that it replicates the others are just pieces of messenger are a replication competent. They're just pieces of an those generally safer nobody has any idea. There hasn't been an MRI, a vaccine before and and by the way, the only adenovirus vector that's in general uses for Bulla. Right, but I think the concept being that you're giving somebody alive adenoviruses that is fairly common in the community we've been challenged with adenoviruses and we don't have pandemics and the severity of illness doesn't even come close to what we're seeing with corona so that it then is. A little piece of corona with it, and then you're basically generating an antibody to the little piece of corona that your body then will become immune to. Yeah. Interesting. So let me ask both of you doctors. When this vaccine comes out you gonNA. Take the first month. Wait wait wait for. Answering. Thirty seconds we'll. Be Right back. A moment of your time. A new podcast from Kirk. Media. Currently twenty one years old and today like magic distended from her fingertips down to the beach to take care of yourself because the world needs you and just. Got It asked about me was ready to spit on my drink. Seniors were facing feel like your purpose in your worth is really being stopped me from. Piano she buys walkie-talkies wanders to whom she should give the second. Humans we never did. We never. Will we just find? Rock climbing is that you can only focus on what's right in life and so our American life begins. We may need to stay apart but let's create together available on all podcast platforms. Submit your piece that Kirk, Oh dot com slash a moment of your time. Okay we're back with Dr, George Rutherford and Dr Steven Taback. So guys. Are you GonNa take this vaccine in the first month that it comes out I can absolutely guarantee you that I will not. and. That's because I'm not going to be in one of the groups that that's supposed to get it. It's going to be given healthcare workers who are actually seeing patients unlike me who are in ICU's and emergency departments and on the hospital wards where they see the sickest patients. That's WHO's GonNa get I. That's who should get it I. I definitely will be taken. You Know Transverse Mile Lights damned I'M GONNA take my chances in hope for the best because I think I have a better chance with the vaccine than if to Novo I pick up this virus at sixty. So other than how long it will take for them to get to you George when will you take? When I become eligible or I'm sixty eight, I would not stand a great chance if I got this. New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo said that New York City is going to resume indoor dining at the end of September, at a twenty five percent capacity I was wondering 'cause right now if you go to New York it's kind of like Paris with a lot of outdoor cafes and it's it's actually very nice but come October they're all going to have to go inside otherwise you're going to have to wear a ski jacket when you're eating so is that a good idea is New York prepared for that does New York have a kind of a a little bit of a herd immunity because their numbers are certainly impressive given how they started there's some thought that parts of New York. Upwards towards forty or fifty percent of the population with antibodies. Now, I don't know that I truly believe all that I don't know what kinds of antibody tests Iran antibodies are a little complicated to test for, and we don't know their whether he immunity is transient or not. Yet it appears if you look at the Krona viruses of cost common colds that antibodies really are only protected for four or five months I think operating restaurants to twenty five percent capacity is probably fairly low risk thing I'd WanNa know how the air was handled. You probably want several air exchanges per hour and you want all the air exhausted to the outside said it recycled which Is topped with air conditioning 'cause to me this whole concept of reopening restaurants. It's human nature. Oh, we're doing so much better. Therefore, we're now now we're safe. It's sort of kind of denying the reality that we haven't done anything for this virus to go away. What we've done is we finally did what we were supposed to do in terms of social distancing and wearing masks, and that's the success. So to throw that y'all caution to the wind, therefore, we must be safe. Let's resume registered asking for trouble like know we haven't done anything by what you expect a different outcome. So it's just very frustrating a healthcare professional Zim what are you guys doing? Guys does this virus care about the weather as it turns out? Does it matter if it's a warm day or if we're in the middle of winter? Probably a tiny bit but not enough to make a difference. So I have this theory about this coming winter. You tell me what you what you think I have a feeling. We're going to have a fairly light winter relative to influenza and other respiratory viruses because of all the social distancing masking in and whatnot what do you think you've been peaking? At exactly what the Australian data say right now is that right? Yeah. Okay. But yeah, that's what I was figuring. Let's talk about more vulnerable all of us on this discussion if you're looking for us in the grocery store, you wouldn't find us in the spring chicken section. We're all somewhat more vulnerable than the teenagers I imagine if we do get it has anything changed since March about whether or not? We're going to have a bad experience with. Yeah the mortality in the second wave is a lot lower than the mortality and the first way. And part of that maybe that people are just younger part of it may be better medical care with Rendez severe judicious use of steroids and prone positioning with oxygenation. It's very unlikely that there's any kind of configuration will change in the virus, and in fact that the data would suggest that it's actually got more invasive rather than less invasive. But what the real difference we think is is that people are wearing masks. So they're getting infected with lower doses when they get infected and they're having less severe disease. To. Actually, if you start off with a smaller dose, your body has time to create some antibodies and fight the disease as opposed to. It's all going to end up the same at the end of the day and replicate at a certain level and you're just going to get just a sick. So you actually get less sick if you get a smaller dose that's the theory. Yeah. I mean it's actually been observed in it for influenza. Have you heard any promising a new treatments on the horizon because I figure maybe that would change the game here. We're all just waiting for a vaccine, but if we can cut the legs off of this thing when you get it so that you're not so worried about the affects that would have a major impact. Have you heard of anything? Yeah. Well, there to kind of classes wonder antiviral. Drugs of which there are half dozen antivirals in trials right now, and some of them are actually being tried for prophylaxis and early treatment. So program would use an antibiotic prophylaxis. We do it for influenza now. So there's an outbreak in a nursing home will give everybody influenza antivirals until the end of the flu season. So that's the way we do it. Now for the rest of what's an antiviral? Like Tamiflu Right. Said of an antibiotic, it kills bacteria or an Antifungal it kills funguses, antivirals kill viruses. The other thing that's promising is trying to control the immunologic storm that surrounds the progression from upper respiratory infection to the MONJA too bad Monja to acute respiratory distress syndrome to respiratory failure and death. We've been using steroids, decks methods on for that. There's this very cool thing at ucsf that using nanoparticles to. Deliver basically, receptor blockers kind cool stuff. So let me ask you a question about the steroids for a second because if something like a decadent is working, it's an anti inflammatory right as steroid as an anti inflammatory. So explain to me why apparently ibuprofen is potentially getting an inverse effect in they're not recommending you take that when you feel lousy if children have this, do not give them aspirin under any circumstances whatsoever. There's a very, very bad pediatric disease called Rice Syndrome. Basically, your liver dissolves and triggered by aspirin during flu infection and are we seeing that with corona? No I mean nobody gives aspirin anymore. Okay, except for rheumatoid arthritis away too. So when you say if your kids have this, don't give them aspirin. Don't give aspirin to children for any reason at all. It's much simpler than that I can make it much simpler and you don't have to differentiate among. So let's talk for a minute and let's assume that we're dealing with both the question of a vaccine and also all the people who are running around who have recovered what's the current thinking on reinfection right now I know that we're talking about Oh they're four cases or something like that may have gotten reinfected. What's the real deal here? Is this virus mutating enough to make it so that someone who headed and got rid of it for months ago there just as. As, the rest of us, well, there are four cases. So you're right they all were documented as coming from different viruses, right so they're not identical genetically viruses change over time. It took about four months between the first and the second infection in three of the infections that people got no symptoms or a very mild symptoms in one of the person got sicker than he was the first time, which is concerning some of us are concerned about a phenomenon called antibody dependent enhancement aid, and that's something that goes on with Tropical Disease called Dengue Fever. The first time you get it it's bad. The second time you get it, it's much worse. And so you don't know what you're doing. Right. We're looking at four cases out of twenty, five billion to try and Parse out these pearls of wisdom the other way to look at their only four cases as so it's an exceptionally rare phenomena visiting mean the only cases there might be one hundred thousand cases and we're only paying attention afford that kind of came to bear. Of course not but we have that's what's in front of us right now, if it was a pervasive problem that would come to the fore, you would know that it may come to the fore next week we're right sort of at the end of the kind of the Ford four to five months. But I agree with you I, it would not be this would not be subtle if it started to happen. You know the other good story is that there's this great story I. Don't know if you've heard this when Steve. American. Commercial Fishing Boat Crew One, hundred, twenty, two from Seattle everybody got screened before they went to see everybody was negative by the nasal swabs also had blood taken a body. They go to see comeback ten days later, eighty five, percent attack eight per cova. They run all the bloods three of the one hundred and twenty people for whom they had bloods at neutralizing antibody could actually measure neutralizing antibodies. What we're trying to make avenue with the vaccine. None of them got sick of the other hundred, seventeen something like one, hundred, seven got sick. So there's a story about neutralizing antibody being protective in the face of massive massive outbreak while that's very I have not heard that story. That's amazing. So your advice to folks that are over fifty over sixty over seventy, the real problem start occurring is it an age related thing or how does someone know if they have to stay home again? For the next year, well, it clearly the older you are the greater risks. But as I also said, I saw some data today at which suggests that even among people over eighty, the mortality rate is decreasing in the in the second wave as opposed to the first wave and that may be better. I see you care it may be smaller inoculate because they're wearing masks who knows but s the observation I think you have to be very careful if you're over seventy if you're over between sixty and seventy, he can be a little bit more out there among younger people the greatest risk factors obesity of a BMI over thirty. And then there's the usual sort of triad apart Z's hypertension pulmonary disease preexisting Pulmonary Disease Diabetes Smoking, which presumably includes vaping although no one's child I guess that's five that's a pen Tad. First of all everybody should be careful. You don't want to get this disease. There are a lot of long-term consequences we haven't talked about. You don't want to get this disease at all in this idea that while get it, I'll get immune and then everything will be fine. That's nuts. There are a lot of longer term problems talked about that for a minute. It just kind of coming out now in football players that they've been screening for infection and it turns out, they had some sort of anti myocardial antibody, right? It's Grech against the heart muscle. You know that's not good now. It's a very systemic disease. You look at this and we're trying to draw comparisons to nineteen eighteen influenza, and I know from our ICU where you have patients now with ECM oh their lung shutdown from the virus of clearly invaded in. We shut the lungs down further with echo and we're just sort of bypassing the lungs two months later they get off of echo and their lung seemed to come back to full recovery, but we're seeing with covert obviously. Has worked in a certain number of cases but so many of our Kobe patients that have not done well, their lungs are getting totally destroyed by this virus. It's not like you know there's terrible lung injury that then is amicable to cellular repair. The turning fibrosis prosise is turning to scar tissue and that's happening. We're seeing in myocardium we're seeing neurologic issues that are long-term in persistence young people who otherwise metabolic the are improved, but are basically comatose and. Chronically vegetative because of multiple strokes, not to mention the vascular abnormalities, I sorta look at this if you watched war games that movie when you were a kid like in the seventies and when the computer finally realizes and it says, you know peculiar game, the only way to win is not to play because they're talking about global thermonuclear war. That's what this is like. The only way to really win this thing is don't get sick is you prevention is In this disease. Well that being said, have one more question for you George. And I would like to congratulate you something magical just happened you were put on the ballot for president of this country and everybody voted for you. So you are now in charge. and. So a little bit we like to give you our sympathy, but we'd also like to ask you what are you going to do to help guide us out of this thing from that vantage point wolf. First of all, you have to put people in charge of the agencies to know what they're doing to aren't political appointees actually are you know we don't put political appointees in charge of the navy? Career have careers in that, and then they kind of graduate up you know it's the same thing republic health. We should be putting people in charge of these agencies who know what they're doing have the experience we have the training who understand what do face these crises before that's the first thing I would do. The same thing is I think you have to ramp up testing capacity like crazy in the third you gotTa make sure that people get vaccinated. You have to set examples about tax nation. The other thing is is that we can't have this sort of ostrich-like existence with our heads stuck in the sand and we have trading partners in Canada and Mexico who need vaccine just as much as we do. We have to figure out how to get along with everybody else we have to be part of who? Things like take climate change seriously, which actually is probably what underlies this at its deepest roots if you're GonNa do a root cause analysis lane that to US please George. That you have overgrowth bat populations because of human migration and human land use so that people come into contact with Basser. That animals that come into contact with bats this is what's happened with a Bola in this business. It's always bats that get blamed right but is really humans are the problem, but that's getting the blind. Born of that next time. You. GotTa. Take climate change stuff seriously I mean I'm sitting here in Northern California yesterday this guy was an origin today it's pink fires and all this serious stuff and you know this as millennial thousand year cycles were perturbing and there's a lot of ecological effects that ecosystem effects and bad overgrowth and people coming into contact bats at just one of them and population growth obviously adds to it. So those are the things I would take. Seriously, I think you have to take of a bigger view of this stuff and meanwhile set good examples but good people in charge and lead by example. Okay. Well, Dr George Rutherford and Dr Steven Tailback. Thank you for that. We're going to leave that there and George. If someone wants to follow you what's the best way for them to do that? You know I do a lot of speaking ucsf either account halls or at the medicine Okay well, Dr Avert Road. I hope you'll come back and join us again. 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Lifeguard On Beaches Reopening; Nursing Home Staff Live In On-Site RVs

"From NPR and WBZ. I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley. It's here now and there's mixed news today and the progress to fight the corona virus the biotech company Maduna promising early results in a small human vaccine trial which show eight healthy. Volunteers developed antibodies. They were able to neutralize the virus. Battalion we're also learning that A. Us Navy sailors that had cove in nineteen and then recovered and tested negative. Now are sick against. We're not sure what this all says about antibodies. And we'll keep an eye on those stories. But meanwhile in Washington House Democrats are launching an investigation into the firing of another inspector general. This time at the State Department president trump dismissing Steve Clinic late last Friday after Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo asked him to. There have been reports for a while of grumbling in the department about Pompeo using taxpayer funds for personal services the State Department watchdog was reportedly looking into those complaints. Npr diplomatic correspondent. Michelle Kellerman is here and Michelle so counting up in the past six weeks trump fired the intelligence community. I G the Acting Defense Department I g and the Acting Health and Human Services G A patterned. Perhaps your sense of what's going on. Well Democrats are clearly seen a pattern. And they're looking for ways to strengthen the protections for Inspector General's there've been a few Republicans expressing concern Senator Mitt Romney for instance over the weekend said the firing of multiple inspectors general is unprecedented and a threat to accountable democracy. Susan Collins tweeted over the weekend that the president had not provided the kind of justification for the removal of the State Department's I G as required by law that she helped author But for the most part Republicans have been pretty silent about this trend. Well and we've known for a while that there were grumblings as we said about. Mike Pompeo the secretary of state potentially using taxpayer money for personal purposes now reports. That link was looking into this. What can you tell us about what he was looking at? Well we're hearing from Democrats on the hill that about a couple of things that he was investigating There's a report today from the Washington Post source did. Confirm it for me that the inspector general had mostly completed an investigation into the secretaries controversial decision to get around opposition. Congress and green light billions of dollars in arms sales to the Saudis. He had this emergency declaration that raised a lot of eyebrows last year and the idea was looking into that democratic sources. Also say that the I was looking into the misuse of a political appointee basically that POMPEO had US government. Employees do personal errands for him and for his wife. Things like picking up the dog at the groomers or things like that when I asked the Inspector General's office over the weekend I was told that they can't confirm or deny any particular investigation and the State Department has refused to comment on any of that. What about other members of the State Department? What are your sources telling you about their thoughts about this? Well I think there was a pretty well respected guy. And they're kind of some people that they were kind of numb. At this point there is definitely concern last year Cnn did this whole report about some security agents. Feeling like they'd become uber eats with guns There were a lot of concerns last year that I heard when the MRS POMPEII was on trips with the secretary so these these have been things that have been growing as well as you said. The Democrats have certainly been vocal about this. Here's the speaker Nancy Pelosi on face the nation yesterday. The president has the right to fire a federal employee. But the fact is if it looks like it's in retaliation for something that the attorney the I g the inspector general is doing that could be unlawful well and so what is your sense of repercussions either for Pompeo or you know. President trump has as Pelosi just said he has the right to fire federal employees. Well the Democrats on the hill have opened an investigation. They're asking for The State Department to hold any documents that they have that are related to this day. Need to find out if it was in retaliation for any of these issues that that Steve had been investigating. I'd also say that you know it's not that he was. He was very controversial. I mean he played a minor role in the whole impeachment. Saga but there were a couple of I G reports that that he had done recently that sort of angered top management. They were things about personnel matters. Dealing with the trump administration officials retaliating against those who they call Obama holdovers at the department. One report led to the resignation of Assistant Secretary of State for international organizations and another was critical of one of pompey's top aides Iran guy. Brian Hook so you know if if it was in retaliation for any of these things then that could be a problem for Pompeo. We'll see how this unfolds. Npr diplomatic correspond. Michele Kelemen. Thanks as always sure. Thank you well in Kentucky. The mother of a young black woman killed by police is now calling for no knock warrants to be banned and body cameras required for All Police Officers in Louisville Kentucky shot and killed Brianna Taylor in her apartment and March during our search warrant and the governor of Kentucky is now asking for both federal and local prosecutors to investigate joining us now for the latest is Ana law he. She is a reporter for W. F. P. L. in Louisville and Amina Take us back to the shooting. Police entered Brianna Taylor's apartment just after midnight on March thirteenth. Then what happened? They entered by force. And there's some disagreement over whether they introduced or rather identified themselves before doing so Neighbors and a Brownie. Tillers boyfriend Kenneth Walker say that they didn't they didn't hear them coming in but the police say they did announce themselves before breaking down the door once they did that that startled Walker and Taylor awake and Walker responded by firing his gun. He shot an officer in the leg And all three officers responded by firing back and it's believed that they shot over twenty bullets at least eight of them. Hit Brianna Taylor. Killing her just that same night. Why did police have a no knock warrant enter her apartment? The warrant was related to a drug investigation as you mentioned They claim that they believe. The main suspect jamarcus glover was receiving packages at Brianna 's apartment. And we know that Brianna Taylor and Jamarcus glover relationship in the past and remained in contact. The police claimed that they had seen him picking up a package there earlier. This year and that they use the Louisville postal inspector to confirm that he was in fact receiving packages there so they believed that her apartment was being used as some sort of drug operation. That's why requested the no knock warrant and operated the way that they did in the middle of the night However late last week the Louisville Postal Inspector told local. Tv that the police didn't use his office to verify dot claims so that throws some of the rationale for the warrant into question and we want to note that no drugs were recovered in Briana. 's home is that correct. That's correct. Yeah you mentioned her boyfriend Kenneth Walker who is a licensed gun owner that he shot one of the officers in the leg that night and his lawyer says he was acting in self defense after police used That battering Ram to enter the apartment. What's the latest with Walker? You're absolutely right and I should mention that. That officer who was shot was taken to surgery an since recovered but walkers been charged with first degree assault and attempting to murder a police officer. He was released a house arrest in late. March and that really angered police and their union described him as someone who attempted to kill a police officer and doesn't deserve to be on house arrest but that case is still pending against him There are some complication around. How that will all play out here locally Supporters of Walker. And Taylor I think at this point seemed to be saying that they just want the case thrown out of like his lawyer. They're saying he acted in self defense. He was startled awake in the middle of the night. Not Knowing who is entering his home and tried to defend himself. And Taylor. I'M GONNA this took place in March. Why is it getting so much attention right now? Yeah it was actually covered pretty well by a local media here. This was something that didn't escape notice however despite that and despite the fact that local activists have been talking about it and remembering Brianna Taylor. It didn't really reach national attention until more recently a little a little more than a week ago. Seems like one of the catalytic moments was when Shaun King. The activists shared her story on social media on his podcast and that really caught a lot of people's attention. You started seeing her picture circulating on twitter on Instagram with details and an I should add a lot of misinformation as well about what happened to her. But the basic facts about police entering her home at night and shooting her That's true and that's been shared very widely in recent days. And what parts of this story in the initial information that we were hearing was misinformation the misinformation. The key point that I've seen incorrectly shared recently is that the police were at the wrong house and I think that how you interpret that may be determines whether it's correct or not technically. They wrote the right house. They had a warrant for that apartment. Brianna Taylor's name was on the warrant a main suspect but she was involved in what they were after basically because they believed that her apartment was being used to do. These drug transactions in some way when people say the wrong house they may mean that they should not have gone there but technically speaking they went to the place they said they were going to. That's Amina Alawi. She is reporter with W. F. P. L. and mobile. Thank you so much thank you. It's here now and we've been wondering house. Tyson belongs you're doing. You may have heard of what he's doing. It's pretty incredible. He went to Yale then. Harvard his PhD in between he served three tours in Iraq as a Marine. Which in itself is pretty interesting but then in two thousand sixteen he bought and moved next door to the family run nursing home in. Bristol Connecticut okay. Then on March twenty second early on in the pandemic. He moved his entire staff onto the grounds of the nursing home to live in. Rv's so they wouldn't bring the krona virus into the facility and so far they haven't there's not one case in a state where autumn ninety four out of two hundred and sixteen facilities have had covert cases accounting for nearly half the deaths in that state. Would this has come at a personal cost about a half? A million of Tyson's own money. Tyson boulanger joins us now from the Shady Oaks home in Beautiful Bristol Connecticut Tyson. You pledged two months. I think you're over two months at this point not a single case not a single case not so far when you came up with this. What did you see for me? It was all about. Kirkman was just a nightmare. My heart is broken. Even just thinking about what had happened out there. The the Life Care Center of Washington the Corona virus that got in there and the dozens of people who passed and the struggle they went through was an alert. It was an alert all across the country. Everyone knew it was coming our way. It was coming to senior homes and we all begin to mobilize and one of the things that we did in early. March was we shut down for visitors. And that was heartbreaking enough. Just to tell family members that they wouldn't be able to come back to speak with their wives their mothers their aunts and it was just really rough and then our next step was to have a checkpoint screen the staff medically as they arrived for work. I stood that checkpoint and it reminded me a bit of my time in the Marines and it was really frustrating and very difficult. I didn't know exactly what to be looking for. We kept hearing about asymptomatic issues and how cove it might be able to transmit any signs. They'll health and even if that was just five percent ten percent and now we know it's so much more so he was this moment of like we've got to stop we've got to rethink all this. We've got something better and so we jumped. We jumped as quick as we could to bubble. No kidding you brought. Rv's into the parking lot. Your family had been in this business for forty four years when you bought it. Both of your grandparents had been in the home. This this sounds like it became personal for you. It is and each day here even now. I walk the home and I look in the eyes of my residents and I and tears come to me and I I just. I can't imagine a month from now. Two months from now three months from now and cove still going to be here in the senior homes. It's still going to be a threat what it's going to be like if they get it and I got to do everything I've got to do everything I can to save them and to find a safe way forward for our residents and caregivers well but this is pretty extreme. You ask your staff to move into these. Rv's have families of their own. They agree. There's no doubt at this is hardship in a volunteer assignment. We had forty eight staff members and I asked seventeen to come in and of course the first thing is their mothers their daughters their sisters there. They have all these relationships at home and they're going to miss out on so much by being away for the two months that's the first and then the next is low the number of hours of work to cover an entire week so they're doing sixty to eighty hours a week of work. It's really hard. And then as we've learned that easy to move in with her co workers for two months and it's just not an easy project but we all feel so good about the decision we feel like we've really made a difference and in our hometown. Four out of five nursing homes have covered and one of them has over twenty eight deaths and we just know that we've made the right decision for our home for our residents and our caregivers and to make it worthwhile and and to to show appreciation. I paid them large bonuses to our CNA's tore nurses. I pay our CNA's and General Staff fifteen thousand a month. And I pay our license nurses Twenty thousand dollars a month when we first got started with. This guy really didn't know that we'd have any assistance. We didn't know that we'd be able to to you. Know I was just drawing from my own savings and it looked pretty bleak but I. I just kept believing that there might be something up ahead. I wouldn't be able to see. And the immediate thing is is to save lives. I had to save lives head to save our home and tried to reach time a better testing and try to reach a better time a better equipment show as the time went by the payroll protection program opened up to us. And that's been a big help. Imagine that three hundred thousand dollars in P P protections enables you to pay some of those people donald core coming in but who said they couldn't yes. All of our furloughed staff were paying full. According to their average hours before we bubbled up able to take care of our community and the idea behind. That is it sooner or later. We're going to have to open back up. And when we do we WANNA make sure everybody was well taken care of and then beyond the payroll protection program. My mom helped that she made a large donation. And we've had very kind souls Go to our website and make small donations. And we're I think we're going to be okay. I I'm still sure a couple of hundred thousand but for for the feeling of knowing that we saved lives. We saved a residence. We saved our caregivers some caregivers. I've learned about them. Having health troubles eight had no idea before if they get corona virus they'll be susceptible to a serious illness so I have no regrets the thing that I've been trying for it and I've been struggling for. I really want to share this idea and this is why. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to speak with you today. Just can't be just about my home. It's gotta be all caregivers about all senior homes. We really need to see this public. Good well you say. Also it's something. The government should contribute to. You've suggested that if Connecticut for instance pays twenty five thousand per week in matching payroll funds to all of its three hundred sixty five nursing homes and assisted living centers for just six weeks. It would cost taxpayers fifty five million. Now a lot of people are gonNA say what fifty five million. That's a lot of money you say. What well at the federal level they're talking about trillions and then if it's compared to what happens when corona virus comes into a home homes ended up paying quite a bit anyways as hazard pay and the human costs of such suffering and the amount of personal protective equipment that they go through. There's not that much of a difference in cost between what we've done here. And what some of the homes have had to do but of course. There's a human advantage to what we've done is we don't have any sick people here. The other huge costs are if residents go from the nursing home to the hospital. And then we're talking about ventilators and I see us and now suddenly it would cost concern lots of an ICU. Visit like what is that. If it was a drug that we could pay for that. We could save sixty percent on the fatality rate from Kovin. We would have done it. Why not do the human solution if we had done that? Oh Wow what a savings of human life we would have had and if they wanted to they could just boil it all the way down to just calling it a pilot project. Let's have ten homes but see what like enticing. We know that there's a nurse there that can possibly break away from this incredibly hard work to speak with us. Faith hold on one point high. It's face faith for thank you so much. I hearing how overwhelmed. You guys aren't how much work you're doing there. But I just what's been like to live on the side of the nursing home. It hasn't always been easy Were here twenty four seven And just being unable to go home and be with family. I think that's everyone's biggest obstacle kids or oh. Yeah they're grown. I do have an elderly mom that I do help. Take care of that home. So that's my biggest concern but my husband's there so he helps out what a sacrifice on your part and I thank you on behalf but in a funny way. Maybe you're protecting your mom to buy really isolating yourself that is correct because otherwise who knows what I'd be bringing home. Yeah Yeah How can? How would you describe? I mean? We've heard it's tough. How what's the what's the toughest the hardest obstacle? It's just everybody's personality. You're you're with them all the time. They're they're now our family so we're we see true colors. Welcome to the House. Many people are right. A lot of people are going through. The what's the what's the upside. We know that you're being paid a little bit extra but some people would say no amount of money in the world would make the move into work. So what is the upside for you? What's been the reward the whole movement of trying to show that it can be done Bubbling up and all working together as a close team and protecting our elderly. There's got to be so rewarding. Yeah it's a good feeling a good feeling. I'm GonNa let you go back to it because I don't want to keep away from thank you. You're very well Robin back. Yeah so Tyson. I'm thinking I'm trying to think of that day. When you gather the staff and say okay we can all go home and I'm going to actually start going out a bit. I'm just wondering how hard that's going to be for you all given people who are looking to you through those. Is You say you into looking to you to protect them? I might that might be hard. It is I take it very very seriously. I live here at home. This is what I do I again. I speak with strong conviction that we have a way forward and I just want this idea out there. If there's another home somewhere across the country and I've I'm aware of one outside Atlanta. I'm aware of one outside Columbus. Ohio and I applaud them for doing. This idea of people should be aware that this is an option at least a bridge a patch through the search and then get to the other side Tyson at the Shady Oaks Nursing Care Facility in Bristol. Connecticut Tyson will link listeners. Up With you at here now dot org but thank you so much for speaking with. It was my pleasure and thank you for this opportunity. Thank you just Just something we all spoke with nurse faith broker will link you to pictures of the. Rv's she and others living in here Uber announced. Today it's cutting another three thousand jobs and closing forty five offices. The company is slashed about a quarter of its workforce in less than a month but some big tech companies in Silicon Valley are hiring fact. These are pretty good days to be in the market for a mid level white collar job in web development and Tech Support Rachel Myrow of member station K. Q. E. D. reports surely Dang was laid off in April when the Palo Alto based financial startup. Earning gutted it's marketing department stable is like a relative term. Dang would prefer to work for a bigger company. She owns a house in Hayward in the San Francisco Bay area with her fiance. And he's still working but the mortgage could become a in about six months a lot of good companies that I might want to work for or vision myself with are holding off on higher right now so I know like across the board like tech companies have hiring freezes unless it's a very technical role where it's like engineering or developer. The numbers backup Dame's assessment on hiring. Experts say this economic downturn favors giants with the cash reserves to wait out a revenue drop for pivot to areas with more potential for profit so for instance facebook which has said it plans to hire ten thousand people. This year wants a bigger piece of the online video market which is exploding while most of us are stuck at home because of the pandemic now silicon valley employers often split their payroll between fulltime employees with benefits and contractors which is why it makes sense to check in with. Hayden Brown chief of up work in employment platform that matches white-collar GIG workers with businesses. And so we're seeing water back to be around web development video production technical support is a big one so there's a lot of activity where people are trying to deploy install maintain technical systems for their business but there are skeptics. Who worry that what we're witnessing and Silicon Valley is a temporary uptick before bedtime. Settle in yet. It certainly seems like an odd time to try purposely to hire new people. Why why not? Just wait Rachel. Massaro directs research at the Silicon Valley Institute for Regional Studies at the nonprofit joint venture. Silicon Valley it that a lot of these data points a lot of the indicators that were looking at we'll have a lag time and in a few months will get a better understanding of the influence of the crisis. Right now those silicon valley companies on the down swing like AIRBNB. Getting a quarter of its workforce. This month are taking a hit because what they do is directly hurt by the pandemic but as the economy is a whole collapses into recession the current winners intact may not be able to sail above the fray for long for here. Now I'm Rachel myrow. And meanwhile this some more tech news to note apple is putting some of its employees back to work. The company announced that it's planning to reopen twenty-five stores in the US. This week. Florida Oklahoma Hawaii and Colorado will allow apple customers into the stores while Apple Stores in California and Washington will allow for curbside pickup around the world. Nearly one hundred apple stores started opening up as of yesterday. Apple says it's taking steps to keep workers and customers save including limiting how many people can enter acquiring face coverings for employees and customers. An apple will also require temperature checks at the door and conduct regular deep cleans of all surfaces the normal. This is here now. Many people are itching to get outside and socialize especially as the weather starts to get warm even though the fight to contain the corona virus is still very much in full force in parts of Southern California for instance. The number of infections and deaths are relatively flat but as people gather. Health officials are saying new hotspots and spikes in the number of cases for more on California's efforts to contain the virus. We have Dr George Rutherford via skype. He's an epidemiologist at the University of California Central Cisco. Welcome Dr Thank you so much. Well Dr let's start with the numbers. New Deaths and California have stayed basically flat at about seventy a day from a glance at the chart. It looks like we're not saying a steep decline and infections. A California took a proactive approach and shutting down cities and implementing social distancing measures. Very early on. Why aren't we seeing better results? Well it's because transmissions ongoing and these deaths are Craig among people who are infected. Probably two to three weeks before and you know as long as there's ongoing transmission will continue to see deaths now it is flat. It's not going up and that's heartening but we would really like to see it coming down. Why is there ongoing transmission? There's ongoing transmission. I think first and foremost among people who live in large households and so large multigenerational families it passes from one person to another to another to another and it just keeps going also people get it when they go outside especially if they're not wearing masks and if they're going into places where people are too close together and finally we see a few cases among essential workers still and all of all of this in many ways is interconnected because when you talk about essential workers many of them may live in homes with lots of family members are intergenerational members as you mentioned. The beginning is one of the complications to stay at home order. Yes absolutely and and so these things do linked together but to the extent that we can disentangle them and limit transmission outside of the home. That's what's GONNA take to get us down to a handful of cases this summer and moving from the governor state to to the Governor Stage three reopenings I mentioned southern California. The state is not homogeneous And Southern California seems to be doing worse than Northern California. Why is that well to start with? It's bigger I think the other thing probably that's going on Is that at least compared to the bay area. The rest of the state in which includes southern California went to shelter in place orders about four days later and in southern California. It really didn't seem like it had sunk in until the following Monday so it was almost six days later which represents at least one if not two generations of transmission of the virus so the chain of transmission or longer. They're more cases by the time we went to a shelter in place order. I think the other thing is probably more introductions into southern California than there were in the northern California. You mean people coming into the state correct both from Asia but in Los Angeles in particular from Europe. We have several chains of transmission that were tied to people coming from areas in Europe where there had been transmission that was a real big problem in New York with hundreds of new introductions from overseas. I also want to ask you about something else. Their concerns that some of the rural counties are now moving further into reopening. And that they just don't have enough testing. So some of those counties reopening are doing five to ten tests per one thousand people. That's according to the La Times. Is that enough? No I don't think so. I think the governor's goal is to be able to have two hundred tests per ten thousand people per day. A lot of these countries are very small. You know they're going to be able to get away with with fewer tests but on a per capita basis. It should be at about the same level and so I think that's something that needs to be worked on going forward now. The Chan Zuckerberg bio hub at the University of California. San Francisco is testing specimens for any local health department from anywhere in California so there is capacity protesting. If they WANNA get the specimens down to San Francisco. I mentioned earlier that We are seeing some spikes and in southern California in particular. We're hearing about these events. Where single person can infect many others in Pasadena for instance officials traced cluster of cases to a woman coughing at a birthday party? What do you take away from that? I mean there's also mother's Day services in Northern California butte county that may have exposed one hundred and eighty people. Is it just impossible to have gatherings until we have a vaccine? I think that's a fair way of thinking about it. Yes it's impossible to have gatherings unless people have masks on and they're outside and there's social distance which seems like none of those conditions seem to have been met by either of the events you're citing You know it's just too dangerous you know you hope that they're no mortality reminder of these events but it's playing with fire and you know we understand that people want to be able to get back to the lives. They used to leave. It just can't happen quite yet. I think there's a really great example from Hong Kong which has had several thousand cases but only four deaths. What they're doing is everybody wears masks. And I think that the whole idea of wearing masks is what's going to get us out of this at least out out of it until we get to a vaccine. That's Dr George Rutherford. He's an epidemiologist at the University of California San Francisco. Thank you doctor. You Bet my pleasure. Thank you Dr. Rutherford says one place that could potentially be safe our beaches if people social distance and wear masks when they're not swimming gus. Avi Law is the president of the United States lifesaving association. He's a retired lifeguard for California state beaches in southern California and he's been thinking a lot about the additional safety measures for both lifeguards. And the public gusts. Thanks for joining us. You're welcome Tanya so you were an ocean lifeguard for thirty four years and this weekend we saw our first full days of great weather and open beaches over a month here in southern California. What's your reaction to the openings? While the act the reaction is one of excitement because it's always exciting to get people on the beach and get the beaches open and have great weather Just some confusion and some trepidation because the rules are changing almost daily so just the fact that there are no hard fast roles right now and we have to pay attention again to what the local officials are telling us in our telling the public. One of the things I've been struck by and the role of lifeguards Many of them this weekend. Were also serving a social distancing police in a in a way instructing people not to stand idle or get too close thinking about that in the context of what life guards are there for as well as to watch the water. What are some of your other biggest concerns for lifeguards? Is they get back to work. Well social distancing is a big one but the major part of life saving is also educating the public of how to remain safe whether it's not to swim in an in an area where it's dangerous or the rip currents but now we have to remind them that they should be exercising social distancing but at the same time we still have to maintain a strong focus on the water safety aspects of the job. Yeah one thing we noticed is that your group is advising lifeguards not to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation What would they do? Actually instead of. Someone wasn't breathing well. They could use a bag. Valve mass has a big bag on it. That feels with air. You cover the mouth and the nose with it and you forcefully. Squeeze the bag in. It'll allow you to push air into the airway you. It's been a while since they recommended actual mouth to mouth resuscitation by the layperson. So if you come upon someone in itself who's and breathing you can start by giving compressions until someone shows up that has more advanced life support equipment available your general advice for the public if they want to go out and enjoy the beach and also sort of assist the lifeguards in their and their jobs based on their behaviour general advice would be. Make sure that you know the local rules. I'm from Southern California. In southern California there are different entities. That are that run different beaches so the rules are a little bit different in every city or county so you need to be aware of what the rules are and the the. Lifeguards can help you by answering those questions for you. If the rules say that you have to keep moving and can't sit on the beach or can't congregate with your friends then. Please obey the rules. Because not obeying the rules takes the focus off of the safety of everyone involved not just the persons that are visiting the fact that if you get if you live close enough to a body of water and you can go down there and follow the rules but get go for a walk because nature is still out there. It's still beautiful. I tried to get outside every day and get near the water or in the water. But if you can't then I just have to wait until the opportunity. The word has become where it does become available. That's gusts Allah president of the United States Lifesaving Association Gus. Thank you so much. You're welcome talking. Businesses that are outdoors have been reopening and parts of the country including restaurants with outdoor seating garden stores. Those that didn't close in the first place and drive in movie theaters. But what about their indoor counterparts? Can you imagine having a meal with a mask? On Derek Thompson has been looking at the research into how the virus spreads indoors. He senior editor at the Atlantic joins us from Washington every Monday. So Derrick welcome back to be here and you and everyone. They're looking at how to make you know. Indoor dining for instance save now tomorrow. We're going to speak with a researcher about the role of air conditioning in spreading a virus indoors. How maybe the kind of air conditioner makes a difference But also what might actually kill indoor viruses? What's being tried in other countries But you've lifted other studies from the CDC that show how a virus spreads indoors start with research about a Korean call center. What were the findings? There yeah this is a really extraordinary study from the Korea. Cdc So basically in early March the Korea CDC learns that there are some sick individuals who are going to call center in downtown. Seoul a realized that these people work in the eighth floor of a nineteen story mixed use building so there are hundreds of offices hundreds of apartments and they think. Oh my God. The possibility of a mass outbreak at this place is extraordinary but when they investigate what they find is really interesting about one hundred patients in the entire building of about a thousand test positive. But they're all on one floor and more than that they're all on one side of the floor in one densely packed phone bank so at the CDC determine from this study was the fact that people got so much sicker on one side of the floor than the other suggest. It's not just about shared elevator space or shared lobby space. It's about shared air. That if you're sitting in a tightly packed unventilated space huffing and puffing with a bunch of other people you're breathing in this spray of toxic droplets. That people are emitting when they're talking and that that is the main vector transmissibility and what this says more broadly about all of our indoor spaces is that what seems to be most dangerous. Are these spaces? That are tightly. Packed close spaces were lots of people are going to be talking and so they're going to be breathing in a lot of the same air that seems to be the most dangerous place where you can see the transmission of covert nineteen. Let's say a bar you know. Many people are packing bars. But it sounds like they are saying that if you're in an elevator nobody's talking and you're only in there for a couple of minutes as opposed to people who are talking for a living. 'cause IT'S A call center and they're tightly packed together for a long time. That's a huge difference. Yeah from the Public Health experts that I've spoken to. I would say it's a spectrum of risk you don't WanNa be in an elevator that suddenly breaks with four other people if one of those people has coverted nineteen but loud speech in particular emits a spray of fluid droplets so people who are talking loudly. If you're in a call center you are being paid to constantly talk another really good example. A really bad example is someone actually who spent a lot of time. Acting in being in plays is in music. Rehearsals there's been other studies that have shown that there's been huge outbreaks in. Choral rehearsals when you get a bunch of people together. That are singing into each other's faces once again you're getting the spray of fluid droplets and that is really dangerous too so I think what the public health experts would say is think about this as a spectrum if you're in a close base with people that are wearing masks and not talking. That's definitely a lot safer than being in a similarly close Place where there aren't mask. People are talking constantly but at the same time you do I think in general wants to avoid being tightly closed unventilated space with other people. If one of them is sick and you mentioned the choir practice there was that one in Washington State Sixty one people attended later. There were thirty two confirmed cases in that group very serious cases and two deaths. So there's that example of how they not only were singing with everything that is brought to that. They were together when they were doing that. You know this is all reminding me just reading that during the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic in Boston. There were fine for people who are called big talkers people. We're just loud and emitted a so. They had a sense back then that it was the amount of energy behind your speeches. Well what does that mean for like you know sporting events? This is a really good question. I mean you're already seeing in places like South Korea that are beginning very slowly to open up professional sports at their starting without fans. And that's because if you're a fan of of your team and they hit a home run or you're watching basketball and someone hits a three two win the game. You want to scream. But that very same instinct that is cherish abol in normal circumstances secondly becomes potentially toxic during an epidemic. And so I think I've spoken to healthy building. Experts thinking exactly about how we can get back to normalcy even before a vaccine in sports stadiums but it simply requires not feeling though. Stadium's capacity requires queuing up lines. The people can constantly remain socially distanced even if they are wearing masks. You'RE NOT GONNA get back. The same level of normality in a world. Where normal behavior is suddenly so dangerous? Yeah you'RE NOT GONNA go right Thompson. Senior editor at the Atlantic. Thanks as always thank you so the takeaway there we is. Beware the talkers here. Now is a production of NPR and WR Association of the BBC World Service on Robbie. I'm Tanya mostly this is here.

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Ep 87 Potentialist Joanna Bloor

Midlife Mixtape

47:26 min | 10 months ago

Ep 87 Potentialist Joanna Bloor

"Who do you wanna be when you grow. Up is a question that never ends the fact that we stop asking people at like ten. I think is crazy. I think we should ask people. All the time welcomed midlife. Mix tape the podcast. I'm nancy davis co and we're here to talk about the years between being him and breaking one. We do belong to me why you would stick slung ma listeners. It's nancy. I just wanna take a moment at the top of this thanksgiving week episode to express my thanks to all of you for listening to the mid-life mix tape podcast. It's gratifying to know that. My loyal listeners are as interested in the insights from a grab bag of interesting people who are in the years between being hip and breaking one as i am and i look forward to bring you that hashtag relatable content to your ears in the months to come. I'm wishing you and your loved ones. A safe and happy thanksgiving in whatever form that takes in two thousand twenty and go back and listen to episode eighty six with epidemiologist. Dr george rutherford if you need a reminder of just how to do that properly and thank you again for tuning into my show. Hello i- start most of my episodes with some variation on. Hi guys but i recently saw an instagram post encouraging. Us to drop that word in favor of a less gendered more inclusive noun and gumdrops was literally one of their suggestions which tells me that anything goes so in the future. Prepare yourself to be addressed as anything from pet rocks to pop rocks to bands that have been overlooked by the rock and roll hall of fame. Before i introduce today's guest. I want to invite you to listen all the way to the end because it's almost time for another listener contributed episode. This will be the final episode of the year. I want to collect your stories. And i'll tell you the topic towards the end of the show when i first connected with today's guest. I was immediately struck by her. Optimism and positivity and we were talking about when we were going to record maybe in october. And then it occurred to me. She could be my post-election insurance policy. If things hadn't broken the way we hoped. I realized she might be the one person who could walk us back from the abyss with her focus on future and potential. So what a thrill. It was to realize when i recovered from our impromptu front yard post-election victory party on november seventh that the future potential we'd be discussing was even writer. I mean the vaccines are coming. And stephen miller. Don't let the door hit you. Where the good lord split ya. My guest today is potentially an aspiring fairy godmother joanna floor. Joanna believes it's time for us humans to rethink how we take on the modern working world. The what where when and how of work is changing a shift that technology and business embraced but people haven't joanne on a mission to help us prepare for the big leap into the working. Future to identify and articulate our human value and our place in the next chapter of the working world and while we're at having a great time in the process a perpetual adventurer and self-described startup junkie. Joanna spent her early career scaling and building brands like ticketmaster cars dot com open table and pandora. I love pandora. Oh let me give you tip chubb rock station on pandora if you're having a party and you need a playlist that's just going to keep people grooving at the right level chubb rock station on pandora and i think my friend dave lee duke for giving me that tip back to joanna bloor known for building teams infrastructure and revenue strategies through their movements of accelerating growth and rapid change. Joanna did so in environments where there were no books no career paths. No precedents of how things should be done. Joanna's a veteran of plane in the undefined. Future then life through surprise at her and she found herself at the beginning of a new adventure. The new journey lead to a fateful conversation in line at the ted two thousand sixteen conference the planted the idea for everything you here today and the idea that everyone of you is awesome and that we just need to tell everyone else. So dust address cinderella. And let's hear how joanna can help get us to the ball. Welcome to the midlife. Mix tape podcast joanna bluer. I'm so happy to have you here today. Thank you so much for having me too. I'm excited to be here when you when i first connected a couple of months ago we were. Let's wait until after november third to have this conversation. So i'm so glad we have positive happy things to talk about with you. But of course the first question on the midlife mixed tape podcast is always. What was your first concert joanna. And what were the circumstances. I will never forget it because it was in the houston astrodome and it was madonna's true blue concert at second row seats like talk about setting the bar high for your first concert. Oh my goodness now. How old were you owe a continent. I probably was what sixteen seventeen teenager. 'cause you're not born and raised in houston no. I didn't even live in houston at the time. No i emigrated from the south east coast of england to central texas. So just south of austin between not not much of a culture. Change there just a little bit well. I joke with people who when they go. Gosh was it different. And i say i think about just the constructive school and i joked that i went to school. In england that can only be described as hogwarts without boys or magic friday night lights and every stereotype in your head you can imagine for both of those were a hundred percent true like the the uniforms and the premise of hogwarts experience in the oldness of the building and then the cheerleaders and football and that whole thing in texas. Your head must've been spending only rules. That was still true when i moved to texas. Were be a nice person and don't do illegal things that only the don't do illegal. Things only happen because my stepfather. Without i think him knowing what he was doing told me that if i committed a felony like caught doing something naughty that they would send me back to england and what he didn't know at the time was i landed in texas and within about twenty seconds was like. Oh my god. This country is amazing. I want to stay here. And the idea. While i missed england very very much in my dad was still there in my friends at a lot of friends still there. I took to the united states like dr water. It i was like. Oh my god this is where it was supposed to be all time and ahead a lot of fun but i was pretty good girl in the same process. You toed the line because you knew you knew it was to take him the airport i did. I don't to go to jail. That would have been a bad why. I'm curious what was it that you love so much when you were sixteen about america what struck you. Oh so much so much an and it still even now is part of why even with all of the stuff that i go. Oh my god really That i still love about this country guy. Sound like some sort of crazy patriot where nobody in a really good way of telling me. It's this idea. Yeah it's this idea of possibility. Like i even call myself a potential est here. I remember when i very first moved to texas. Like i got to very clear messages very very quickly. One was well. We just think you're awesome because the way you talk and really who doesn't like a british accent. Yeah this is insane. And i was like well. You know if you think. I'm fabulous because of the way i talk will then awesome and i'm gonna run with this but i was like. This is fantastic. Because i went to a very fabulous. Very smart. Very acedemic. School in england and i was mediocre at best. Although i sean talent wise in the theater ops when i was in a But that was very much looked down upon because it was a bit too out there. My husband periodically calls me. Joanna jazz hands because i'm all about everything and it was. It was really frowned upon in the uk. There's a concept vehicle toll. Poppy syndrome where you're not allowed to stand out too much and i came to texas and they were like. Will you be as fabulous as you wanna be now. I will caveat that if you are thoughtful about that you will absolutely get judged by people that go away but there was this whole idea of you can be whoever it is you wanna be with. The addition of you can also completely changed direction. Midflight as somebody who had such a understanding. I did i did and i didn't as a teenager but this what path of my on what am i supposed to do was pretty rigid in the uk. you know when i was in the equivalent of sixth grade. My teacher sat down with my parents and were like well. Joanna should study commercial art. And she's going to become a commercial artist. And i was like wait. What still baffles me. A bit to this day. Where i came to the us and this is universal across the us they will. You can be whoever it is. You wanna be and i say that even today like if i got on this coal. We're on a podcast. And i said nancy is. I was telling you i was doing. Xyz yesterday. but i've decided to become a plastic surgeon is my midlife decision. You would probably go. Wow that's a really interesting choice and you might even in your own head say. Isn't she a tiny bit old for something like that. But in general most americans will come back and go. That's awesome go you for doing something really big and bold brave and that opportunity to say i want to be something completely different does not exist anywhere else in the world that i've seen not the attitude of it and the uk can figure out how to do that and really just completely change. Your trajectory is something that is really unique to the culture in this country and everybody talks about freedom in such dramatic ways here And i think you're not go. That's the freedom that i hang onto in a big way this actual i can choose who the future me is going to be an. It doesn't come with a whole bunch of baggage. And i was reminded i was in venice. Pre pandemic one of my oldest friends of british friend for her fiftieth birthday. And i was chatting with her older brother and his wife. Who i've known since i was a little kid and they were asking me about what i do now in the fact that i left corporate america and built my own company and etc etc and they will will. Where did you go to get a certificate for what it is. That question and i looked at him and i was like. Oh my god. British people on i was like i make this certificate for what i do. I created it. It's myself and they just couldn't wrap their head around it. So that's very nice to hear. Joanna all you americans listening pat yourself on the back rian vendors were still making it possible absolutely and that of course is a perfect segue. Let's talk about your job as a fairy godmother slash potential est. What is that what you do. What did i talk about the potential piece. I because people like what when i hear this because i learned the lesson as a teenager that basically all the rules were there to be questioned. My entire career has been driven by my curiosity of tomorrow and a lot of that has been driven by technology. And what is its possibility. And that was really the first driving force of my professional career. But what. I realized very very quickly. Especially as i got known for being the person in a company and i worked for a lot of different startups. Many of which. I'm sure people have heard of open table pandora etc. part of. What my job was there not only in how to build the infrastructure of tomorrow but also to bring people along and that if you didn't bring the people along to tomorrow than it didn't matter how awesome the thing is you built. It would folant tracks right. I realized that as much as there's this freedom thing that we talked about with the americans there's such a narrative of follow the rules in you'll get an a. Don't follow the rules and you'll die like you think about both education and entertainment. What we've all been messaged is that there's a correct way of doing something that you need to do it exactly this way. Does this whole narrative of what is your career path. Where you're going. And i was like wait a second. I haven't followed a path a day of my life. Not that. I changed jobs every twenty minutes but i was always like like what is around the corner. What's happening next. And i was really like. This whole thing is not serving people and even within my last jobs. I was known for going up two random people on my team and not randomly with absolute intent. Saying gosh you know what you as you do things and i see how think your value is so much more about how you think than what you do like. Yes what you accomplish in your ability to get. Something done is important for everybody. But that's not why you're valuable. You are valuable because of your brain time in the future. And i see the potential of your brain time being utilized much more over in this other department over here and so i am now going to clear. All the roadblocks for you to go play with those guys over there. Because i think you will fit in better and i lost count of the number of people who would come up to me and go. Oh my god. I had no idea hated my job right. I had no idea that i'd be really great at x. Whatever it was and that in combination with the very simple idea that every decision made about you and your opportunities is made in a room that you're not in so in that scenario that i just described i was the one in the room in that scenario was ahead. I was the one saying. Will this person should be over here. Because i think they would actually be better there. I was like hang on a second. Why isn't this done everywhere. I look at how we think about human beings in the workplace and our marketing materials for lack of a better term. The resume how we talk about ourselves. How we think about who we are in the workplace only talks about our past. We talk about our history. We don't talk about potential and the things that we can do and the reality is is a i throw this out to your audience. Think about the last person you met and it can be anybody and what's going on in both peoples heads when you're meeting somebody is who is this person and are their future shenanigans. We can do with that hundred percent like this is the conversation you and i had when we first met with or an opportunity this been lots of opportunities for feature shenanigans and it's the future shenanigans that people actually care about them like there isn't a product in the on the planet that we would talk about all of its features in. Its past the way we do with humans. Why aren't we talking about the future. And so this whole potential est piece was really anchored in. I think a as people in the workplace. We should really start thinking about how to teach each other about our future. Selves as much is our past selves. Because both are important like what. You've done what you've accomplished shows credibility but you've also gotta show vision and future stuff. So why don't we do that. And the fact that because of the work that i've done. And because of the journey that i've taken i have a weird innate ability to go ooh you actually have. The potential to do. X is why. I talk about the potential list. The fairy godmother piece is completely anchored in the fact that the first time. I saw bette midler while i love madonna for somebody so nadler god. I want to be when i grow up the idea of running around in sequence a bit body and the whole thing just appeal to me. I'm also a big tech optimist. I love technology. And so i was like how can i grow up to be like bette. Midler meets a technologist. And that's been a bit of a drumbeat. Maya entire life and a couple of things energized this year in that one of the other things that i am willing good at doing is chatting with almost anybody and i do this pre covid. I actually used to stand on stage in pluck people out of the audience and give them a transformative experience on just how to ask the question. What do you do which is the first way we teach each other about ourselves. I'm gonna leave some links in the show notes. You can actually see joanna doing this. The one i watched with a lovely young woman who worked in banking and and also i mean you talk about bette midler You do wear sequence to do a lot of hundred. Well this is. This is the big win of twenty twenty. I'm just going to say. Is i realized that the beginning of two thousand twenty i was longer going to be on stage which is what ninety percent of my work was. Because while i'm a teacher of concept. I am a performer at heart. Which is where the secrets that people were so sad at the beginning of the pandemic and i was like well. This is terrible. And so i one of my first zoom. Kohl's i said look. I'm gonna put on cocktail attire because make people laugh and it's completely spun out of control and so now i wear sequence everywhere and as i said my win of twenty twenty is because the costumes. I'm going to be able to write sequence off on my taxes this year. Raising you and bette midler are the only two people. Oh and madonna obvious and madonna. Well let's i think everybody could get one sequence when they want to fuck within the contract of the fairy godmother. My job is not only to help you see your potential but my job also in this world of work is to help. People transform how they present themselves verbally etc etcetera etcetera. Almost kind of the u. i of you so that it makes it easy for other people had to say yes to the future. You and i use the fairy godmother and cinderella a because i have absolute personal aspirations of being doing this when i'm eighty and i will be onstage wearing a ball gown in sequence like a full on rock the the fairy godmother me the that woman is going to exist. I see it in my brain right but also that you think about the moment that the fairy godmother in cinderella meet in the movie cinderella was not broken. The fairy godmother never said oh savannah you need to change. She just said. How do we get you to your bowl. How do we get you there right. And she did was transformed. What cinderella looked like in that scenario. So that when she showed up at the front gates they didn't say no you talk about identifying articulating and amplifying. Your future you and i'm struck when i watch you doing this on your videos in your events that it's really about teaching people to tell a story about themselves and helping people identify. What are the strands. That other people will be interested. One of the things that you want to talk about such that future opportunities will flow to you. So why is that so hard for us to do for ourselves the layers so one you call me an onion yes. I'm calling everybody an onion. That's actually what beautiful right. the reality is. I believe without a shadow of doubt. 'cause i've done the bottom transformation. Thousands of times is that everybody has some unique magic in them. Everybody and the challenge in all of this is actually to figure out what that thing is and figure out what that thing is that serves the future you so i always come back to that first question of. Why is it hard will. It's hard because you are teaching people who you are and what you will about like the introduction is just the first one but you're doing it all day every day every single conversation with somebody that you're teaching them who you are you know lots of people say oh joanna you in the business personal brand and i'm like well sure except you already have one right like job is say is your personal brand the one you wanna be sharing for who you want to be because the who do you wanna be when you grow up is a question that never ends the fact that we stop asking people at like what ten. I think it's crazy. I think we should ask people time. Who do you want to be when you grow up. Because just because you're fifty doesn't mean you're done and i think we can continue to answer that question and if that's true then how do you tell the story that actually introduces who the next person could be in. It could be different from day to day today. There is such a narrative again. I come back to this idea that we all language especially for women. We all have to be perfect and especially as you get older. There's a lot more to lose. And your risk. Tolerance goes down and all of those sorts of things and so to be quite frank. The fear factor of coloring outside the lines. When it comes to you is incredibly high. And what i find fascinating and also heartwarming about humans. Is this fear. Factor is universal. There's very very few people. I've met who aren't like ooh. Oh my god. What will people say right so that that fear factor is the first one in so this is why i show up as the fairy godmother in sequence a lot of what i'm actually doing is saying. Look i got you like not only do i got you but i see you and your awesome a now. I'm gonna put my hand at your back and just give you a little bit of shove into this new space so that you can see that. This new is actually all of this. Because i can tell you. Teach you how to talk about yourself every day. It is literally my favorite thing to do. But if you don't believe it and don't own it for yourself. It doesn't matter how awesome i think you are. You have to own it. And so there's fear factor. The other thing that i think is is fascinating is because it is a combination of the personal you. It's a combination of the professional units in combination of the future. You the thing. That is weirdly awesome about you. That is really valuable and lots of people say. Oh joanna but i'm really great strategic thinker. I'm really good at getting shit done or a really good connector. I go boring but everybody is that right. You know if that's what you want to be known for. I'm like do better regionality that. We're trying to look for and i say you know. The goal of the exercise is to find something recognizable enough. That people are like. Oh i get that right. That's the why part but unique enough so it doesn't sound like everybody else but it's it's finding that and the thing is is that you have been living with who that person is your entire life and like any for lack of better term product. You've been using something for really really long time. You don't think it's special. You lose sight of why you chose it in the first place and it's why have have lots of people were like. Oh i can figure out for myself. And i'm like sure. Go ahead and give it a go but the reality is you need that other person's perspective a to see the thing that you can't see because you've been with it all day and be because while it is all about you. It's actually not about you at all. It's actually about how to somebody else react to you. I find it fascinating that when you see a selfie of yourself. No one really likes photographs of themselves because the picture is not a reflection of you. It's actually the true whereas what you see in the mirror. Every day is a reflection of you and so when we see pictures of ourselves always like you know not to march because we're not actually used to sing ourselves that way and have a similar sort of reaction when we talk about stuff. I'll also add that culturally based on your upbringing or your gender or your whatever. There's also a lot of societal rules about not bragging about oneself Which is why may have a whole construct. That actually teaches you how to do that without sounding. Like your braggadocious jerk right. I wanna come back to that. Because i think that as i hate writing a bio when people ask me to send in you know but i want to come back to that because my first question. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. A little bit. But what would you say to someone who says look. It's hard at midlife to start something. New or to contemplate moving into a new space because we have so much younger competition nipping at our heels and during the pandemic when the job market tanked and there are more people than ever applying for jobs. And maybe you're in a job that you don't love but hey it's a paycheck and it's twenty twenty so you better stick with. What do you say to those people. And how do you encourage them to at least start the process of thinking. This way yeah. There's so much to unpack that. We could have a whole other podcast on this because let me actually back up for a second so first of all. I think this concept of teaching people about the future. You is not limited to people looking for a job or looking to pivot careers. Because i have absolutely lost jobs absolutely lost jobs which i thought. I was brilliant at because i forgot every decision made about me was made in a room that i was not in right. I was messaging as an example accomplished was not messaging vision and the decision makers in this particular scenario will join. That doesn't have a vision anymore. The future this is not an entry level job. This was a senior executive. And i forgot that i hadn't message my vision and so i lost my job and i think about that in conjunction with you know. I went through the dot com bust of the two thousands and nobody teaches you how to lay people off by the way which is a whole other conversation too but what we all have to do during that period is almost addition our jobs and if you are in a scenario weather's downsizing etc etc then we're all real additioning especially with the pandemic. There isn't a company on the planet who hasn't had to completely pivot how they do business until we are all really listening. So i sit here and i go. Look you have to own that. You are the ceo and founder of you inc android product that you are in essence loaning. People is your time in the future and so for anybody. So yes if you're looking for a job or if you're thinking about pivoting or going through that unless be real there's that moment in your forties and fifties where you especially again as woman you wake up and you suddenly look around and you go. Wait a second why. It's not my beautiful life like you know. Suddenly your head comes up to a bunch of gophers that somebody go. Oh hang on a second. And you start to think about this stuff. And i say here and i say it doesn't matter who you are. What your scenario is in that transition. You have to own your time. Is the thing that you are selling to people. And so the first question. I always ask is what is the product like. What is it you actually want to loan to people whether you get paid for it or not as a whole different story and again a whole other podcast on how to get paid. But what is the product that you want to sell to people in this stage of your life in this chapter of your book in this whatever. This is why i always come back to go cinderella. what is your bowl and cinderella. Her bowl was. I wanna go boogie with the prints. It was not to get married and did it at up and within that construct like what's important to you. What does the future you need for mash off tikey of needs. What is the future. You need intellectually. What is the future you need for your impact. All of the things like an actually have a conversation with yourself about. Who is that you want to be. It's not that. I want to marry the prince answer. It's actually what is the next step. And then sit down and have a really honest conversation with yourself and say like why is that valuable. What is the market value for what this is and i so often here and i'm guessing this may annoy people at a little but i hear a lot of people say well i should get paid more because i have more experience and i go sure absolutely but are you sure that your custody. Your ideal customer. Who's buying you understand. The value of it just saying i have lots of experience is not enough one of the things i say to a lot of the people i work with who are pivoting. Their career is in that purchase process of people. People start get very uncomfortable when i say stuff like that but in that purchase process you're trying to sell a product to a buyer who doesn't understand how your product works you think about like for instance give an example your lawyer and you now want to move into operations. Will you've been messaging for decades lawyer lawyer lawyer and all of the value proposition of a lawyer and is a new way of thinking. If i'm hiring for an operations person. I don't understand how lawyer functionality is actually the same right because it is. There's a lot of things that awesome lawyers do that a very similar to what operations but the language isn't the same. I don't know how to buy you and so your job when you're pivoting is actually translate who you are and what you will about in those value things to the job that they actually want somebody to do and you have to almost bridge. That is it harder. Yes is it exacerbated more because you are older yes all of those things and this is you know this gets into a whole conversation about all of the bias biases exist whether we like it or not and you can be as mad as you want all day about the biases or you can take agency over it and actually teach people how to see you in your way because all bias is in my opinion is the ability to recognize potential and it is infinitely easy or to recognize potential. When it looks like you and sounds like you interest which means that if you are other and other could be age it could be gender. It could be skin color it could be profession. Then you have to work harder at it. It's why i will abs-. I absolutely go on record on this. I have a lot of black women that i work with. Who are the bomb across the board. And what is universally true about all of them is they learned that incredibly painful lesson when they were preteen and they come to me because they're like oh hang on a second. Joanna gives me an edge. Joanna helps me bridge that gap in a really powerful and personal way. And so i do a lot of work with black women. Because they're like. I get it because they've been living in their entire lives systematically underestimated. Yeah the rest of us have taken a little longer like myself. Included took a little longer to figure that out. But now i can help. This is where i step in on mike. Okay how do we teach people about that. 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You don't have to have a complete vision and plan and have everything sorted out. Just have a bit of an idea like i. I used myself as an example earlier. Like i have an absolute vision of what is eighty year. Old may look like she's on. Stage is in a ballgame now have a wand. I have white hair. Maybe even pink. Not sure but i like that's the that's mobile right. Ident- allows me to start thinking about. Who would need together. And if that question seems to overwhelming than the first thing you can do is actually go back to people that you professionally trust and i say professionally because moms dads not always the best sound good like your best st while. Their intentions are amazing. And i think they play a very important role in your life. They generally don't know the professional you and and who that person is because they've got all sorts of they've got all sorts of awesome biases there But you go find somebody new actually asking the question. Where could you see me when you have seen me have impact in the past. Where do you see that for me in the future and go out and do some market research on yourself. It's also a really delightful experiment. One of the programs. We actually he have within my my company is we actually help. People go through the process of doing market research on themselves. And what i find. Endlessly fascinating is how worried people are about doing that. I do that. And i'm like yes you can absolutely can't just ask this question like do it. And inevitably what they come back with a complete surprise and delight because what they learn almost immediately as there is usually some consistent messaging They've asked more than one person. And there's usually an insight that makes them go. Wait what and it really makes a it makes you feel good and helps you build your confidence and be. You're actually getting feedback on who you are. And it's about the future self not the past self it be transformative Just as you're talking about this. I'm recalling a conversation i had when i first moved to san francisco twenty two years ago and was looking for work and this head-hunter took me out to lunch as a favor and you know over. The course. lunch explained where. I'd worked in what i've done. And she looked at me and she said your value is that you are a go-between between basically technical people and nontechnical people. You're very good at translating the needs of one group to the other. And just having. Somebody else articulate that to me i was first of all i thought. Oh i am good at and second. It's it really helped me focus my job search and continue to do that now in my in my day job i really like playing that role and i feel like i've got mastery of it and it can be so transformative to just have someone say look what i see in you so i wanna make sure people know where to find you and all the great work that you're doing what's the best place for people to go. Oh all all place. I'm putting prolific. This joanna bluer omnimedia joanna bluer and you will find me yet so absolutely on the website if you want actually wanna find out how to engage with me on a professional sense to help you through your own Joanna bluer dot com. So you're you're cinderella or cinderella transformation because the needed just as much as the gals. But i'm also really prolific on both twitter and lincoln sharing ideas many rants about how i think job. Descriptions and resumes are just need to go away. They're both horrible. They do not serve either party and a bunch of things. I also have a live show every friday at noon pacific time where i talk about different areas of this entire set of thinking like how do you do you think about pricing this friday. I am talking about how the question i would like to pick. Your brain is real. Who'd and should be retired. Yes and how to actually onto. That asked that question in a much better way that also emphasizes while you are uniquely awesome in all of those sorts of things so you can see the fairy godmother inaction on a computer screen near you. Every friday at noon we do giveaways and also to fund stuff there and i'll put the links into the show notes to make it easy for you listeners. To get their one of the things. I loved on your website joanna's that you have an adventure time line of your life so you guys should check this out where she gives themes to different the different work phases of the different phases over life. Like searcher broke in happy. Which i i love that. Because i was in that same phase at the same time and adventure three was adventure traveler and risk taker at. I loved kind of the labels or kind of the big themes that you put their so your. Your current status is possibility generosity encouraged. So here's my question. will there be. That's adventure six. Will there be an adventure seven. Do see a need to chain. Yeah i think it's time for me to update my timeline. Because absolutely the journey to becoming a potential est and fairy godmother has been the last five years and i think it's actually stepping stepping wholeheartedly into those labels and focusing on them as much as possible. So yeah i think it's the headway had become the eighty year. Old joanna right. But i have in my head that i i wanna be. I just think it's such a useful exercise to back over your career and think about it that way. I'll just throw that like the timeline piece was a fight against how how much hate resumes. Talk about your past. And the timeline talks about. Not only who. I was and what i was thinking and what i was doing but also make space for the future person too. And i think it's a different way of thinking about how to tell your story. And i'm gonna come back to my cinderella things because this isn't just about what comes out of your mouth when you teaching people. But it's also. Are you thinking about the entire purchase process and i'll come back to cinderella one of the most genius moves. The the fairy godmother does as she puts a time constraint on cinderella and arrigo. She loses her shoe on the stairs. And what the shoe is. It's probably the most genius business card on the planet right because the prince while he would probably gone she was totally awesome and hawk would never have been able to find her without the shoe. And i think the whole shoe piece was a bit of is basically swag two point. Oh so i sit here. And i go in your meetings with people. Are you creating a leave behind a shoe or something so that people remember you but not a shoe you guys. This isn't analogy. This is an analogy built. Lead your shoes behind like the time line. I had one client who went through very interesting career journey. We use the time line to explain why her career journey was so weird. Fantastic white actually layered on each other and it becomes a tool to help people remember you because in the every decision made about you and your opportunities as made in a room that you're not in one it's part of the consideration set like do they even know you exist. The second is what are they saying about you in that room. If they're saying stuff it's because they remember who the unique you is and that is the teach at the end of the day. How much fun would a job in. Hr be if people came in with an adventure timeline resume. Oh my god. Everybody would work in that field. Well this is the thing especially specially. When i work with companies the reality is is like our career. Paths are fun are career. Adventure is fun when you found that beautiful balance between believing in the value of what it is your contributing to the organization. Like what i am. My work matters and being excited and curious about the thing you are going to do right like that's when it's fun where it gets really amazing and where companies can get so much out of. It is when everybody on the team. Understand what each other's are and believes in them. Because you think you think about when you have worked on a project in you're like god we were awesome together. It's when everybody's unique value was recognized absolutely and everyone was excited curious about what it is they were going to do. That's when the magic happens. That's absolutely when the magic happens so step one of that is that should figure out what yours is then. Once you've got yours you can find out what other people's are and then you can put teams together. Humans are way of the future is in. That's that's the nirvana that i want for everybody. We'll get taken adventure on our own terms. Whatever they are right we have one last question. What one piece of advice to you have for people younger than you or do you wish you could go back and tell yourself i'm going to be a scientist for my former self head the amid della that little thing in your head which is that voice in your head is scientifically pre-programmed to be seventy percent negative seventy percent negative and so while the voice is helpful. It's often kind of amini. And so you need to be active in mitigating. That voice in your head because we all have one and it's all telling us a lot of nasty things so make the effort to change the conversation around because the more you can tell it to shut up the more you can actually step into what it is you could do. And that's where the fun starts. That's a great piece of advice. Joanna moore thank you so much for your time today. I feel energized. I'm gonna go make a timeline for myself. you guys. i will leave links in the show notes to find out more about joanna but you can go to joanna. Bloor that's b. l. o. r. dot com to learn more and joining us. Thanks so much with us today. Nancy thank you. This has been amazing. You are also magic you you were. Madrick others fled. I'm going to find some sequence. Also talk to me later. I hope you'll go forward from that conversation thinking about what you want your next adventure to be and how you can start making it easier for others to see that future. You now check joanne. His website at joanna bluer dot com and other links on the show notes including a very entertaining music video. From bette midler and mick jagger from the early eighties that i quite enjoyed. I'd never seen it. I started doing listener contributed episodes last year. And i have to say they are some of my absolute favorite shows to put together a love hearing the stories. You've shared of your teenage shenanigans. Your advice to younger sells your first jobs and more. So i've decided to end this year with our listener contributed a so. Then i want to hear from you. Here's the challenge. Share one grief and one gratitude from twenty twenty. It's been an absolute crappier. But i know that each of us still has experienced some unexpected silver lining something to be grateful for and in the spirit of my conversation in episode eighty four with therapist. Maisy robinson. I wanted us to acknowledge the duality of what we've come through both the bad and the good. If you ask me this question i would probably answer it differently anytime you asked but for today i will say that i'm grieving. The loss of my young adult daughter's independence. They're living at home. They should both be out on their own. But i'm grateful for the long zoom calls. I've had with friends who i met as a young adult and with whom i lost touch i am also grateful for the zoom touchup. Your appearance filter. So those long lost friends don't realize how decrepit i've become how about you. What's one thing you are morning and one thing you're appreciating let's crowdsource in episode that acknowledges the universal nature of all that we've lost but also ends on a note of hope and there's lots of ways to share your stories hear my favorite and i'm begging you to try this one if you haven't done it yet give it a go. Leave me a voicemail from your computer just go to midlife. Mix tape dot com and you'll see a blue button on the right hand. Side that says share one grief and one gratitude for twenty twenty. You just click on the button and you can start recording and you can re record if you don't like it you gotta think ninety seconds to tell your story so it's really nice for us to be able to hear your voice telling your story so encouraging you to do that of course you can also record voice memo into your phone and just e mail it to me at dj at midlife mix tape dot com. You can simply type your grief and gratitude for twenty twenty and also email that to dj at midlife. Mix tape dot com or you can send me a facebook message. A tweet or instagram at midlife. Mix tape. But i really want to encourage you guys to think about acknowledging both the pain and the beauty that we've found this year and i hope that the beauty outweighs the pain for you so start thinking about those send me or stories before december eleventh. That need a little time decision but that episode will come out right before christmas. All right have a happy safe and filling thanksgiving all you. Pop rocks take care. 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Baseball's back!

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Baseball's back!

"What will life in the bay area be like in the wake of pandemic, and maybe the biggest protest movement in American history were exploring that question in the through line. It's a print section every Sunday in the San Francisco Chronicle and online anytime from limited access to go to SF chronicle dot. com slash pod. Hello and welcome to as plus the San Francisco Chronicle's podcast on the Oakland A.'s and Major League. Baseball I'm your host chronicle as beat writer, Susan's lesser and today we have got our other as beat writer. Matt Kawahara here for a joint as plus podcast Matt It's been a a strange week as we've kind of seen things. Get up and running at the coliseum with Spring Training two point. Oh, I, refuse to call it a summer camp. That's. Just absolutely ridiculous. It's not summer camp. but it has been strange has been weird would've your been been your takeaways so far in the after a little little less than a week of going out to the Coliseum and seen some of these workouts. Yeah I mean the thing. Is You just notice First of all is well. You'll notice the masks. That's one thing that you see. It's been kind of missing terms of players wearing the a of the coaches, wearing wearing masks on the field like standing around the backstop and batting practice are getting ground balls But I think he also noticed as the way the different way that things are structured I mean there's just fewer guys concentrated on the feudal, stretching groups and there are. Hitting groups in guys sang balls in the Outfield, but everything just seems very. you know pretty spaced apart that you see in and we've seen some of the pits refueling drills. Whether is a full line of guys. There's not a whole lot of distancing there, but it seems like hitting groups are a little bit smaller There aren't as many guys if you taking ground balls at a time on the field and. It's. I mean it has been weird. It's been weird. This kind of their in in the empty stadium in the middle of summer and seems workouts going on, but but it's GonNa. Be a a weird weird. Some girl. Yeah I! It's been interesting. I think the first of all done a really good job, certainly with their set up making sure. That everyone's safe including us which is nice. They've got US set up along side the baselines down in the lower level. We are not in a press box, which is actually great. We are outside, so it's not enclosed. We each have our own tables, which that's awesome, so are probably more than six feet apart. I Guess Matt and we're getting our temperatures taken when we go in, we answer questionnaires about our health etc. Every time we go in so I'm feeling safe. I'm assuming the you. You've been sitting next to me so I hope you're safe. Nice to from a distance via I think I would agree with all of that I. Mean I, think they. It a part of the part of that hundred plus page to health and safety protocol even for for the players is the encouragement that has many activities Outside as possible And I think like you mentioned the the set for the media's outside and might be a little might get a little cold as they get to a point where it's games, and maybe an early September, and it's getting chilly at late night, but but being outside being able to. Sort of Semi confined to that area just to the top of the first row of spirit I hear of seats, come up the third base side, but you're allowed to wander down to the first level concourse and SORTA walk along there, and you do get a full view of everything going on on the field, and yeah, I think being outside obviously right now with it seems all of the All the the advice canals officials is that. Being outside is preferable at this point, so yeah, I would agree on the the aspect that I think that infrastructure is there right now. At least at least from appointed. Yeah, ECHO safe and I honestly I was a little apprehensive I had told some as officials. You know, look if I get there and I feel unsafe turning around leaving, you know no offense and we. We do there are a couple of beat. Writers are actually covering remotely, so it can be done because all of our interviews now as a people may know, our video calls we. We don't have any direct access to players. Our coaches, which is understandable We assume it goes back to normal next year. When when things go back to normal, we they better better. But right now as we were a little bit limited in in terms of our access so. But. Yeah, and one thing I mean you mentioned earlier about this kind of what we're seeing it practicing in one thing that because as media doing those for the last few days. They've only been vin between ninety minutes into hours, but there was little hiccup at the beginning contains point of view would not be able to get the players out there I'm not sure if that throughout their schedule, but we haven't really seen in the last two days. They've done live. EP They've had hitters facing pitchers They did like simulated game situation we haven't. been able to see any of that so far we've been watching a batting practice in groups and we're seeing some feeling. Drills but in terms of the actual simulate game actually not of able to to get in there and kind of see how guys are looking. going yes, each other full speed so hopefully that's something that's coming up your skin. Yeah, yeah, that that would be ideal. I have to commend the as Dave David Rene Catherine Acre in particular from for making sure that. Their media is is just as safest as everyone else says they put a lot of thought into it, and we do appreciate that, so you mentioned the delays that the position players off the field. We you and I just got one of our regular video chats with the player. Today it was Matt Chapman. Who expressed a lot of dissatisfaction? This frustrating you know especially from a player's standpoint. You know we feel like this year, we. We have a really good ball club and we have a chance to make a run. suit the short season. Anything can happen, so we know how valuable every single day is especially when it comes to spring training, so I think we're frustrated that we weren't able to start on the first. You know you look around the league. In a lot of teams are starting their spring training on the first. Then guys have been. Flying into cities you know days prior to the first to get tested and make sure they're on top of it so I. Think we're just disappointed that You know organization. Just you know. Took those extra few days and it ended up costing us even more few days when we were all reno ready to go on July first a lot of frustrations. I think people have been following along a little bit and know the as couldn't actually even get into the colliseum for some time they had to get. The okay from the Alameda County Health Department. That's actually why the as did not pay their rent. That was due April first. They have since paid it, but they couldn't use the building at also, they said. Why should we be paying rent when we can't even get into the building, so? That's one reason that can get into the building until June twenty six. They had to wait for their equipment truck than to come from Arizona. They couldn't send a truck when they didn't know when they could get into the building. Where were they going to put everything? and then they had to get everything up in accordance with the MLB safety protocols, which was not an easy task, especially converting the raiders locker into the new ways clubhouse, because it's huge console truly distance. They moved their weight training facility into the parking lot, so it would be outdoors along with some training facilities so there's been a massive effort and then you know I, think a day after the truck. They started testing people, so I'm not quite sure how much more quickly they could have gotten things into action. It's a shame that couldn't get into their building. This is where teams that own their own building. Have a leg up. And of course, as are in the process of trying to by the Coliseum site at least for developing her, or what have you? That's a whole nother conversation. But what did you think of some of Chapman's comments? I mean it was just to hear I think he's the first player. At least that I've heard just kind of fee simliar, somewhat critical of the team itself there was there had been players. There have been players in the last two days. Who have? said it was yeah, it was a little frustrated, little uncertain, just not knowing when exactly the position players are going to be able to get out onto the field, but a lot of I think the. the frustration was directed toward the the league and you were seeing a lot of a lot of other teams have issues with some delay. Testing results that caused them to either cancel daily workout to puts them back in so I think you know who previously the players in the teams had been sort of wondering you know when when and how does the League at this three straightened out whether or not having to wait on a wait on results in risks, plans So in that sense, it was just a little bit different to hear Chapman said that. Maybe we could have done something a little bit different, but I, think you know at the end even though you know he did. He did voice a little bit of that frustration I. Think at the end he kind of. Smooth it out in the sense of just I mean. They're out there now missed. Will maybe two days or they. Had to push their their beginning of position player workouts back about forty eight hours, but everything is condensed right now, and I think the sense was while they were waiting. They were just A. Little bit on edge that they're out there. They can yeah. They might have to play. Catch up a little bit, but at least they're out. There so I don't know, I think I think they're at the point where that is sort of behind them now and they're just you know having to To do this accelerated getting ready, although you do have to wonder, it's a couple of days in the window. Is GonNa make any bit of a difference I don't know if you have a sense of from talking to players the last few days about whether the position players. They're behind at all well I mean it certainly sounds like Chapman thinks that and I think a lot of frustration stems from the fact that they see so many other teams were up and running earlier. You know they're working. That had guys showing up on the first there teams that have had full squad workouts, and and even simulated game since last Friday so I think that's part of it and I think some of it is just you know. Matt Chapman is kind of a fiery guy. He's a competitive guy. This is what makes him such a great player. Is that edge but I think what we were seeing a little bit of that because you know the frustrations of wanting to get out there and wanting to do his job up plus the whole competitive thing. I think boiled over a little bit today with a with when talking to us, took a little bit of a shot at the the attendance to. The as As players are kind of used to playing in front of a lot. So, could. Be Pretty quiet in the classroom. Yeah, yeah, so he was a little cantankerous today. which is funny because I can't tell you how many times I've tried to get hold of him during baseball shutdown, hoping to do a podcast or ketchup see what is workout routine, which actually would have been fun to talk to him about because he was working with rumour Yano, so we know that was a would have been a fun time. That's to to fun talkers. You know a lot of talent and would have been interesting to hear about that Eh, J., P. Sportsman's Jim. I did not know Daiki was doing that Zona one of my all time favorite as minor leaguers. And one of the best names. As. Absolutely I never forget. Tim Brought Tim Brown from Yahoo. During the spring game JP sportman was announced said Cheapie Sportman I. Think I buy all my clothes from his Cadillac. Kawahara and I will be back in just a moment. You can find all our work on SF CHRONICLE DOT COM. You can subscribe at SF conical dot com slash. pod! The Corona virus pandemic. The black lives matter protests were living in a time of massive upheaval. That's going to change the bay area in the world forever. What's that GonNa? Look like were exploring that in the through line special print section every Sunday in the San Francisco Chronicle an online anytime. Join US in the conversation about how to create a better bay area for unlimited access. Go to SF. Chronicle dot com slash pod. Bob and said yesterday. Look, we're. We're back on the field. Now was kind of like just so amped up to get out there now that we're out there. I think things are going to like just kind of go pretty quickly from here to figuring out this new poll and getting into a routine and trying to focus on what they need to focus on which is. Getting prepared for the season what do you think? About doing that in. Do you even think we will have a season? Obviously, there have been numerous positive tests. There have been tests delays. Loads and loads of frustration with the testing delays including from take Diekmann. Who is the as at risk player? Do you think that baseball can actually pull this off? I think anybody who? At I don't think anybody can say for sure. Anybody says that, yes, the. Positive would be. I think just being a little bit unrealistic or overly optimistic because I mean, it's just. It's just day to day right now. You don't know. There could be a rash of testing when team. It's not necessarily that there needs to be like a league wide You know outbreak or something like that, if if one or two teams have a A. Wave of positive tests are somehow virus into clubhouse which obviously nobody wants to happen. That's way so many of those health and safety protocols are placed, but if something were to happen like that, then from a logistical standpoint if you take one or teams out of. The plan the schedule this in their. Don't know necessarily how you're able to. Adjust on the fly But I think I. Don't know you have to wonder. Also I think a little bit about just. What becomes your say that there are a handful of tests on each team. I mean you you. You already seen teams not. Necessarily reporting their positive tests, but there are teams that have multiple players who haven't showed up for multiple players who? have opted out or at least their their status are sort of uncertain And I think it's pretty about like what is going to be if that just becomes kind of accepted as. As a new baseline or like normal going forward with this, it's it's kind of. Is that going to be sort of accepted it. Yeah, there. There might be some players who aren't there. Go Down, and you'RE GONNA. Progress forward like that, or is that going to be enough that to cause enough effect? Be Enough of a red flag warning for people to say hey, we need to. We need to pump the brakes on this. And I don't know where that point is I. Don't know if you had any any idea of where that point is, but. Yeah I think just in terms of I mean July twenty fourth. It's not that far away, but in the scope of necessarily knowing what's going to happen tomorrow next week. It seems like it's still a pretty pretty long ways away. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with sort of the second third round of tests. If there are more positives Jake Diekmann has been saying for last week. He thinks that there could be as many as eighty to a hundred positive tests based on the first round and people having been in close proximity to some of the players set have tested positive for. Courses the is the most obvious example I think. There's a lot of concern in Atlanta's camp that maybe some of the braves players were exposed to Freddy. Freeman who's been quite ill you know before the testing was done so. The as half a player who tested positive as I reported the other day hey, Sutarto tested positive. It's interesting. It's very unclear when players will come back how long they'll miss I bob Melvin. He said he had. We heard fourteen days at one point. We've heard ten days. We know the only thing we know for sure is. He has to have to negative tests within twenty four hours of each other to be cleared to play again, but W-. Is that testing done constantly to find out when that is, does it does he have to sit out a a certain amount of time based on you know when he potentially contracted the virus. We don't know It sounds as if he he's probably a symptomatic. When asked him how he was doing? He said he's feeling good and he's hoping for to negative tests soon. Soon that that indicates to me that he's probably even if he does have symptoms probably nothing too significant so hopefully he physically would be ready to go pretty quickly and I'm not sure why would see a reason for him? Not to start on the roster? He can always work his way in like even as a as a tandem starter and relief, we saw them pitch and relief last year. Terrific so Hopefully, that doesn't set the back too much, but but we're thoughts about just out of the gate. One of the as most key starters get sidelined at least a little bit with the positive test. Yeah, I mean to your earlier point I i. was you know when when you're that that news about Lazaro first voter looking back through the the health and safety guidelines at the requirements of what political are when a player test positive, and there are like a series of things that need to be crossed off before before the player is allowed to rejoin the team or come back into teams cities, but again that like I mean like you said the time frame is is really murky one of the it listening I like one of the one of the requirements. Is that all sort of local? Requirements. Their local health guidelines needs to be mess. so I'm not sure. I, honestly am not sure if there is a county or a local jurisdiction requirement if you test positive to, you have to have been a cinematic, or if note, no fever for a certain amount of days or if it still two weeks, or if it ever was two weeks in Alameda County at that needs to be crossed off, but I think that the the baseline like you said is heat needs to test a negative twice at least twenty four hours apart, and then also just be cleared as not posing a potential risk to anybody else by. the Joint Committee of the Union and doctors, so your. Questions when he'll be. Will be able to be back, but I think that you know it seems like the as are at least you know. Decently equipped to put up with a potential. You know not having Zara in the in the rotation to start out with. They have Chris Bassett. Who's done that Sweden? Enroll in the past in started I think. He started twenty five games for them, so he's. He's been in that role before but there is some question minute at even before the Lazardo. Positive tests. Bob Melvin was saying that AJ puck might be. A little bit behind is coming off of that amount. Soldiers train in spring might D on a slightly lower pitch count to start out with, so they were thinking they might need to piggyback off him. I started to so I mean there are still some rotation questions, even though for the most part I think they're. They're pretty setup, but I mean after Bassett would be. Do, you have a sense of like might be the next. Set of reinforcements there. would be between probably maintain God and Blackburn Migden atom option so probably on the roster anyway, but also coming back a from a little bit of a minor elbow sort of clean up during the spring. I'm not sure he actually. Would be able to pitch more than a couple of months initially, so they could use a little bit more veteran, starting pitching depth at. Of course there is no AAA right now, and this is the as are also a little behind in their ultimate site. They actually don't have one up and running yet. And these are the guys who might have a really legit complaint about hey, where we going. When are we going? When are we up and running? The, as have a could have as many as eighteen players at the alternate site initially they have not quite named eighteen yet but they've got a pretty good sized group sitting in waiting I reported the other day that they are looking at San. Jose San Jose sounds to me like the best bet at this point, municipal stadium where they San Francisco giants class eighteen. The giants usually play in. In San Jose state also but yeah the. They're going to be late getting going there, too, and this was a safety concern. The as we're going to go to Stockton, I think that would have been up and running by now, but they increased cases in San Joaquin County gave them pause, and they wanted to put their camp in someplace. That was You know not quite as hot spot. For the virus Oh. Yeah. We're still awaiting official. On when and where, but we presume San Jose that that that to me is a little starting to be a little bit of an issue that that's not all settled yet. and they I mean they do have because of the expanded rosters to start at the season There will be a little probably more flexibility. I I think. Melvin said the other day that there's no limit on the number of pitchers eight and Kerry right so that they might be able to load up on an extra lever. were to to feel covered there. If maybe they don't have that full starting five, but he did say that the preference would be to have a set starting five and not need to think about like a six man, rotation or tandem start to begin with just to can have that stability even though it doesn't sound like. Maybe they'll have to start out with. It's interesting because he keeps saying he just he, he'd like to stick with five man rotation and every time we talked to. David foresty says like Oh yeah six man. Man Rotation or a ten starters might be possible, so maybe there's a little bit of a difference of opinion that you know these these things are the as are very good at balancing opposing ideas off the coaches and front office and kind of making not a productive thing. Some of it's just gonNA. Come down to sheer availability, and and how many innings guys can throw Lazardo is available, but can only throw a couple of innings guarantee a he'll be on the roster, throwing a couple of innings, either as a starter reliever so. That's that's what I would do because the guy is great So Makhaya. Welcome back to covering the as I you were in spring, training and fact training for much longer time than anticipated when it broke my ankle. Thanks again for. Putting your life on hold out of the blue and doing that while I recovered and even packing up my hotel room. was you then went to corona virus coverage for three months? What was that like? You were in the midst of protests. You did all sorts of. All sorts of stuff while you were working as a news writer rather than a sports writer. Yeah! I mean they just stays shuffle the staff a little bit, so they I was overdoing new side stuff. It was largely in Corona virus, related coverage and then for a few weeks when there was a wave of. Protests of racial injustice, nationwide and and a lot of. A lot of activity on on that front in the bay area, particularly covered protests in Oakland And in other areas of the there it was I mean it was. Obviously a difference Kind of stretching in terms of covering topics and everything, but the interesting thing now of being back in in sports in doing baseline. It? Really is a lot of still criminal virus. Related Coverage Sports twist because everything you know, it's kind of in the either in the background or at the forefront of everything. That's going on right now, So. It's in that sense. It doesn't feel altogether different coming back to baseball because there. It's still sort of looming over. All the operations that are going on right now and a lot of uncertainty. Uncertainty to it, but it's interesting to see how the League in how the teams are attempting to get this going. Would with the with the virus still very very active and Across the country in the end in very yeah, it's been I mean even I've had a call epidemiologists, and I never thought I would say this I now have a favorite epidemiologist, and in case, people are wondering Dr George Rutherford From Ucf F. who appears in the chronicle? I think almost daily. It seems like a big as so keep. That recalled. Yeah, keep that in mind. He's an A.'s fan so George, Rutherford look looking out for the as best interests I think. Yes strange times and an interesting time to be covering baseball. If not frustrating, I think we, we can understand Matt Chaff Frustrations with everything. I think everyone's frustrated. Things are taking longer. Things change constantly. I think it's just always a fluid situation. We're all going to Kinda. have to go with the flow a little bit. Thanks again to Matt Kawahara for joining us on as plus he's on twitter at Matthew. Kawahara our producers today were King Kaufman and G Allen Johnson. We'll be back again next week with more as plus thanks for listening.

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John & Ken Show Hour 3 (04/12)

"China can show big deal. John kobylt ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. We'll be talking to jesse see in one hour. He's a listener. He says he's homeless in santa. Ana says he has to leave tomorrow and he says shelters taking anyone or their only half full because of covid nineteen. He said he wants to work. And he's not on drugs but he can't find a place to stay that safe he wants to talk to us and we will talk to him next hour. The john and ken homeless project. We could call it the challenge to see whether this guy is for real talk them later on the el segundo times effort to keep the panic porn. Going when it comes to reporting on the kuroda virus sent to a reporter you know they got these other states where it's still a good story. Ah michigan new york. Seeing a bit of an uptick in what can you do. What can you find out there. What kind of angle can you right. This is what came out to scare people in california. I guess i yes. That's exactly what it is. 'cause fear gets clicks but it's not fear. It's it's a weird explanation for white california's not in another search yet but would it be heard immunity. Which you and. I have talked about and the fact that the california variant is suppressing the uk very int- winning the variant war. See but i go by the second line here. Some have expressed concerns that los angeles county have previously been a few weeks behind trends coming out of new york. Oh they said and they said about europe like it was a fashion trend or a music trend in. I was in the clubs in new york. And they're playing this song. I haven't heard it out here in l. a. it's a virus. Well and the one thing. I've looked at this story Particularly in the last couple of months they keep trying to keep it alive. You're right putting cpr on the corona virus story and one thing. I think that. I said last year is still true. When the corona virus rip to parts of the country including the new york new jersey area and then we got ours over the christmas holidays. That's kind of it. Because as you said january twenty people that got the virus and did not even realize it that there's probably a lot less people to infect all our reporting on in seeing the hospitalizations and the test numbers because people actually got a lot of people that never got a coronavirus test for bother they think. I've seen this repeatedly four times as many people got an infection than is publicly reported that infection resulted in no symptoms or mild symptoms. But most people didn't go get a test. I mean it. You just do the math. Eighty percent of the people who got infected never went for a test so all these case numbers or bugs numbers the only the only numbers you can trust or hospitalizations right and then because you know the bodies are there to be candidate but the case numbers that's an entirely invented number and it's only twenty percent of the real thing which would shows you that that this virus was not to be feared unless you're elderly or you had all kinds of terrible health problems. So they're trying to make the case in this story that because the uk variant is more transmissible and can lead to more severe illness. There must be something blocking it out. Oh it's the california variant. Maybe that's the winning the various war. Wow executive angle. Is this story. they don't eat. they don't know that that's a theory. Of course it is. It's just a so. They took a theory unproven and turn it into a long story and a headline well. Maybe that's the reason. Well maybe the reason is most of these cases were confined to immigrant neighborhoods and nursing homes. Well we killed off a lot of the nursing home patients and we've vaccinated the rest of them and in the hispanic neighborhoods again. Multiply by at least four. It could be that you have close to hurt immunity and there's nobody left to infect and then the rest of the city for example. nobody was getting infected anyway. Just they're saying this. Now about michigan and michigan had even tougher lockdown rules than we did so because they hit the away for so long. there's more people for the coronavirus to infect. That's right that's right and we were on that from week one. We were eventually pulled out of it. That was that's why we had the little surgeon. In december does there's only two ways to end the pandemic either vaccinate everybody or everybody gets infected and the longer you keep people indoors and they can't get infected the longer the pandemic goes right best to just let it rip. Everybody gets it and the people you keep home or the elderly and people with debilitating health conditions told that will overwhelm the hospitals and more will die if everybody wants so th. They had the ship here right. They didn't use it. They had the convention to their here. They didn't use it. That's that's that's what you do. Well they didn't let it rip if you and what you do is your whole messaging is elderly and people diabetes and the obese. You stay home. You stay locked up in your room loose weight while you're in there and make you healthier. But how the virus. That is unnecessary. Lose some weight while you're in there because that would be you think people are not dying. This obese people are dying with diabetes number two most common pre existing conditions obesity and diabetes. That's pure overeating. that's the truth. So this story says they estimate thirty eight percent of la county residents have been infected. But they think in some of these neighborhoods. That have been hard hit. It could be half the resident but by the way the times you know. They enlisted in this one. That dr george rutherford from ucsf. He is dr monica gandhi. Our guest right as yeah. He always contradicts her. She's the one with common sense on this. So he's got he's got so. You have to look for a panic porn dr rice story. That's what they have their phone panic porn doctor with rutherford's number and he's the one that scratches heading the story and surmising maybe the california variant is crowding out the uk variant. So we're not getting these. These kinds of searches sing other states. Says in the story can't explain it can't explain it can't explain it but here's the theory. Anyway go ahead make a front page story out of it. This this bogus. I call shoddy journalism. It's anti journalism. There's fax in here. What story they have no idea what the writing about. Who wrote this wrong. deng lin. second he's been on this since one of those special report needs of vacation. okay now. he's he's making stuff up here. I when we come back we will talk about tin horn. Flats ten orden flats is a western style. Saloon in burbank. All the guys here go there. All the time offended all the guys over as air. I thought because a kovin well the guys who are here they go there. The guys who are here okay. Boever ray steve eric. You've gone there right yeah. He went bill vaccinated anyway. They decided early on that. They thought that the county was being ridiculous. I talked about. Gary goes on friday. They shut down completely a year ago when everyone was told to shut down and then they reopened for outdoor dining when they were allowed to do so but then they decided in november that outdoor dining come on. And they're right. The did he say how many tin horn flats customers got the virus the reports from tin horn flats zero zero okay. So what is the health risk. Here that thing. It's abusive bugs defiant. Yeah right they're trying to punish them because they would not shut down their outdoor dining when they were told to burbank is run by a lot. A lot of jerks mean nasty jerks. I'll see if i dig out the name of the county name. The because that is just vindictive nastiest bullying of the worst sort. We'll tell you what burbank has done now to tin horn flats coming up john and ken. Kfi john and ken show john and ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty five everywhere on the iheartradio app. Well the saga of the tin horn flats restaurant in burbank continues. This is a western style. Kind of saloon business on magnolia boulevard. Which a year ago shut completely down when that was the case from the pandemic began but then when they reopened it allowed restaurants to do outdoor dining they continue to do that and then the next shutdown came they said no. In fact there was a ruling and that's what mark arrigo said by la county charge that outdoor dining. You have to prove to me that it's very dangerous. And he could not turned an appeals and then the city of burbank came down on tin horn. Flats continued to operate outdoor dining to the point. Now where even though outdoor dining is allowed again. They're still trying to punish the saloon with fine. It's training orders. And it's this. It's this Bitter vendetta from the government and they're they're abusive and bullying and this cannot be constitutional. This cannot be legal to try to force a family out of business that nobody caught the virus at tin horn flats. Nobody died. No it was just call it a draw and walk away from this. I don't understand as you know at one point. They got permission from a judge. To shut off power they put sandbags up and the latest. Is they put a fence around it. Where is a judge to side with the tax payers decide with business owners to side with the people against the abuses of deriving their been enough abuses of government from from new soman down. This place is upside down inside out. Inverted we're like an alternate universe some You talk about tin horn. You gotta tin horn city council here with a bunch of dictators trying to put a family in a business. I when i saw this story again. This morning i thought back to all the businesses that were destroyed by the rioters over the summer and most of the rioters were either never arrested never prosecuted or never spent any real time in jail. People who destroyed businesses were allowed to run free people who create operate businesses who employ who provide services to normal citizens. They got the big hammer on them. The big government hammer. What is wrong with everybody. How come the writers get away with destroying businesses and a business owner has his as his restaurant fenced off by these lunatic fascists in burbank city council. The tin horn flat owner is a man by the name of barrett lead jian. He lives in thailand. Let's his children operate the restaurant. You've probably heard that one of his sons. Lucas has been arrested three times most recently. He was removing those sandbags. I mentioned he's cited and released at unless. There's something i don't know. This is the most abusive thing in the world. This is what he said he goes. The owner said show me one shred of evidence. I'm endangering the public. There's never been any safety or it's never been about safety of the public. It's about control and fear. There's no cases at ten or and flats. There's no deaths nobody's in the hospital. Fake issue fake news. Shutting down outdoor dining was only to begin with newsom zone. Health director said so there was no evidence. There's still has no evidence. They feel like they're undermining their authority because they slave open. When they weren't allowed authority undermined the should have their authority cancelled. They ought to be removed from office. I'm looking at aims of these These dictators doses the mayor. And he's on the city council jess talamante days. Constantine anthony nick schultz sharon springer there. The five city council members who's trying to force this guy permanently out of business. What out of their own ego. There were addictive this. They were wrong. They were wrong about outdoor dining guy. This is rick. What are you people do people in burbank vote for. I really don't get it. I mean this is what they do in communist china and the soviet union east germany. This is the way they act. I don't know why they don't just let this be because nothing. Nobody got sick. Nothing happened nothing bad happened. Steinhorn flat state outdoor dining is not dangerous at all anyway. No never was never was. No restaurant had to be closed for a day for an hour. That was totally bogus that was just abusive government and unfortunately too many people just sat there. Oh i guess it's okay the you know they just want to be safe care if you're safe. They want to control people. And i don't know if these are a bunch of like maybe they're social socialist. Democrats like that Nitya rahman in la. Maybe they belong to some kind of extremist political group that wants to destroy businesses and capitalism. Seems to be the fashion now. But you saw what happened destroying this. This issue could destroy hundred at the time like. They did in the fairfax district. Nobody said boo about that. But guy keeps burger and beer. Join open gets this abuse us. People on the council ought to be ashamed of themselves. Workup about probably a bunch of sociopaths. Don't feel shame johnny ken. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt. Ken chiampou kfi am six. Forty light everywhere on the iheartradio app. I briefly in case you haven't heard the update shooting yesterday afternoon. In minnesota the twenty year old black man who was stopped at a traffic stop apparently is being blamed on the police officer involved grabbing her gun instead of her taser looks like he tried to get away he was cuffed and she decided to stop him with a taser but in state grabbed her gun and fired a bullet and he did die and they released the bodycam footage. Even show her saying holy bleep. I shot him anyway. We'll have more on that probably next hour. Nothing to riot over here. This is another great example of the biased media. Particularly in this case when it comes to fax machines the national review did a pretty good dressing down of a cnn travel article which was this is on their website. This was atrocious. How to fly safely a year into the pandemic and apparently what they did in the article. They tried to explain and they used really crappy math. A moron must have written this. There was no fact checking in it to make the case that you could endanger on a flight even if you were fully vaccinated so it says here. In addition real world studies of the pfizer by tech and but during a vaccine show they are only ninety percent protective against the corona virus. Not ninety five percents reported in clinical trials translated into reality this means that for every million fully vaccinated people who fly some one hundred thousand could still become infected. That is false. That is a complete misinterpretation of how it works. That is so wrong. I mean at. This person should be deported from the country. Whoever wrote this week that assumes that one million people flying all got infected with the virus yes no. it's it's it's if you got infected with the virus. There's a ted percent chance you were getting. It is explained by philip klein in this national review. He says i have a group of two thousand people. If one hundred unvaccinated people would ordinarily get covid nineteen just ten vaccinated people in the same size group. Get the virus. It doesn't mean based on. Cnn's math that two hundred unvaccinated people get the virus. You see the difference because he says if you. Cnn's math it. Would that mean with anybody who flies on airplanes guaranteed to get all million in the scenario above would get covid nineteen and we've had millions of people fly all year at very few. Actually got the virus right because you know people wearing masks and they had the air highly filtered and blah blah blah blah. So there's there most of us never encountered somebody with the virus. That's what people don't seem to understand. Most people never encountered and now with all the people who have antibodies in their systems. There are far far less people who have it if you if you get vaccinated. It doesn't mean you stop ten percent chance of getting it it beings if you encountered somebody who's infected there's a ten percent chance over five percent chance of you it and that depends also a lot on your immune system you may be totally immune forever you know people have varying immune systems so you may be at one hundred percent and somebody else may have the problem. There's actually dish you correction simply saying The risk is much lower than stated in the original version without being specific about it. Just saying it was much lower. That's shoddy terrible. They're they are terrible i. They're hiring journalists. They're not doing journalism. It's it's like what we said about the la times they just want hits and if they don't get the required number of hits what do you think the bosses are yelling right. Something that gets hits. Well then you have to write something that scares people and there are that many things left to scare people with when it comes to the virus. Because we're getting vaccinated because we have a lot of herd immunity going on because of the the all the all the. va symptomatic infections. That nobody ever wants to talk about. So you're not gonna have big numbers anymore. You're going to have it in places where they botched the vaccine rollout like you're not going to have it here. Usa today actually ran a story today how to politely ask someone. They've been vaccinated knowing that. It's a very touchy subject is everybody has their own personal views on vaccination. Yeah that's right. You cannot go because how all you can say is. There's only one way to find age. You get vaccinated upfront front. I've done that. You're supposed to say things like you share your own vaccine story and just see what the response is. Why because if the person doesn't feel comfortable and changes the topic they're probably unvaccinated. So they're a firm what you did instead they've been vaccinated to you. Have your answer. So what is what is. This is about taking ten minutes to get to the points that have ten seconds. Yeah this is like the snowflake yeah arrogant. They might be uncomfortable. They might be uncomfortable. Really do we have to go through life worried about that. Every every single minute of the day is this like the extension of woke this. Try not to be judgmental. Understand that people approaches from different vantage points with different kinds of information. There could be reasons for them. Not getting the vaccine that you've never thought of like what what they think. Bill gates tracking them through a gps anti vaccine condition. Now it's it's it's that there are there are they either. Don't believe the virus or they think that this is a It's a five g transmitter. That's the latest one. I heard the vaccine. Somehow irises was no the vaccine to. it's getting. it's it's a way to put a chip transmit the five g phone signal southern contract us. Yeah it's usually about tracking it is about. It's about tracking. Yeah we usually have that condition or paranoid so it always gets back to tracing back and you don't wanna make a patient you don't wanna make somebody with a mental health condition parliament right or make them go you got you got you got somebody. Who who has like a paranoia psychosis well. We don't wanna make him uncomfortable. You thank you. Thank you mr woke. She's i wanna make it some. Nobody can communicate in a straightforward manner with anybody that everyone we've gotta gotta dance in circles constantly around each other so you'll make anyone comfortable trite. You don't wanna be rude. You say the wrong thing. You don't wanna get shot. John and ken show. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt and ken. Chiampou kfi am six. Forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Well we love it when hacks go on national tv and lie because normally they're not challenged but sometimes they are. You have that rare instance for there might be particular on sunday morning. News shows a host that decides to say. Wait a minute these numbers. you're throwing out. I have a problem with this one and it happened between fox news anchor. Chris wallace and the transportation secretary people digits now when we last heard from buddha judge. What was it a week. Or so ago. he was caught virtue. Signaling ride his bike tomorrow to his cabinet. Meeting was cabinet meeting and then he was caught His staff drove his bike in an suv and dropped it off for him so he would bike just a short distance the cameras. yes so. he's a complete phony mark my words. I know a lot of people liked him. He's a total phony. This is another example here. He's trying to sell chris wallace on the idea that this whole new infrastructure green new deal plan was going in dollar was going to create nineteen million jobs which and apparently he was on the sunday. Talk shows the week before and kept touting that number nineteen million jobs and nobody called him on it. Until chris wallace does he was the audio. Wanna give you another fact check All of you in the by administration have been selling this plan as a huge job creator. Here you are just last sunday. The american jobs plan is about a generational investment is going to create nine thousand nine hundred million jobs and we're talking about economic growth. That's gonna go on for years and years but it turns out the study you're citing from moody's analytics says the economy will add sixteen point three million jobs without the infrastructure bill and two point seven million more with it so it doesn't as you said last sunday create nineteen million jobs again secretary. Buddha judge mislead folks. I should have been more precise. The one thousand nine million jobs that'll be created are more than the jobs that'll be created if we don't do the plan and it's very important to make this point as just hit us. Two million doses. He will create two point. seven million. Yeah exactly it'll create two point seven million more Jobson if we don't do it. You hear that i know he tried again. Try tried again. In nineteen million jobs will be created a more jobs than it would be creative. We don't do the plan chris. Wallace said no way. You're not getting away with this. Again chris willis 'cause monnet buttigieg degrees and then repeats the same stupid line about the nineteen million. And so what was has danger jack. Second time and say no. It's two point seven. Oh yeah yeah. Two point seven million should have said the one thousand nine million dollars it will be created. There's only two point seven million more with this plan. Not nine hundred million jobs for restructure. The we're going to sixteen million anyway. The economy is gonna come roaring back if they don't even convene for the next two years really. Congress out of session biden could go take his nap at the rest home. And you're still going to have an economy that explodes for obvious reasons. You don't need to be have a doctorate in this. Well chris. wallace wasn't done. Let's listen to more two point. Seven million more jobs than if we don't do it and that's very important because there are people on this network and others saying with a straight face that this would somehow reduce the number of jobs in fact at least according to that moody's analysis two point seven million additional jobs if we pass this package just further proof that it's good for the economy and taken as a whole. It's going to add jobs compared to doing nothing. But would you agree that. You and the president and brian the economic advisor on this program last week you all exaggerated the jobs impact. There are a lot of different analyses about just how many million jobs this is gonna create. I saw georgetown study. I think it's an investment of this type will. Maybe you're the one who would win is cody's analytics as nineteen million and it's actually two point seven million which a bunch but it's not what you said it's part of a scenario that moody says will create nineteen million jobs But the bottom line is it's going to add jobs and this is a direct refutation of people who are saying otherwise So yeah you're right. I i should be very precise the difference jobs that particular analysis suggests is two point seven million more. That is a great place to be. Why wouldn't we want america to create two point seven million more jobs. I want to say something else about the jobs. That's very important. The geordie of them according to a lot of the studies. We've seen we'll be for people who don't necessarily have college degrees so a time when you've got a lot of blue collar communities that are hurting a lot of questions about the future of union jobs. Construction jobs manufacturing jobs. These are exactly the kind of jobs we need to be creating. and it's part of why again. The american jobs plan has such remarkable support among republicans independence democrats across the country. Maybe not yet in the republican establishment here in washington but around the country. This bill is already enormously popular. He exaggerated by a factor of seven. Yes what was amazing about chris. Wallace says i want to stick to this. He stayed to the topic. You guys cited the moody's report you guys touted the nine hundred million number. It's not nineteen million. it's two point seven million. Can you just say that you lied. You did it on purpose. They know what they're doing. But it's still a lot of jobs. Chris and collar jobs don't have one he did not spin. They're a little good at the end of a comeback. Wow he's no he's a bs guy you don't want it. It's the bike thing. The bike thing is is even worse to me. you know. he's putting on a show he's virtue signaling a you know it's like john kerry on a first class flight to go pick up a global warming award in iceland. It's all it's all the same nonsense. It's leonardo dicaprio putting out a global warming movie and then getting on his own private plane with twenty models finding new york. These guys are fakes. Phonies frauds if they cared about this stuff. They changed the way they live. They don't because you always have politicians especially in debates. I just throw at these numbers and then you do see articles about fact checking but chris. Wallace was able to do it right on the spot. Yeah he was waiting for buddha to come on his show week. He's smart is he. Took a clip from somebody else's show. We're j- already lied and use that to to His questioning all right. The great john and ken homeless project is coming up next. 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John & Ken Show Hour 3 (04/09)

John and Ken on Demand

30:32 min | 5 months ago

John & Ken Show Hour 3 (04/09)

"Johnny ken show john kobylt and ken. Chiampou kfi am. Six sporty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Just like that word. Our way from five o'clock. Friday which is a couple of rounds of moist. Line friends and inbetween. We do have hacks for the dumpster. Of course it's a lot to do with what's been talked about much the past couple of weeks and we're going to throw in there whether they think it's funny or not. There's your only small hint that's coming up next hour. The john and ken show newsom under. Threat of recall. Announced that June fifteenth state's going fully reopen as long as vaccines are widely available and hospitalizations remain low. Of course that's almost ten weeks away. But the caveat that came with that is the mask mandate remains in place. And that's that's a big question that confounding people. We're going to talk with dr. Monica gandhi from uc san francisco. She's an infectious disease. And we've had her on the show before several times and it's good to have you on again dr gandhi. Thanks for taking the time. All right explain to me. I read the same research in the media that everybody else sees if if i don i'm double vaccinated right. I'm two weeks after the second vaccine. So i'm fully protected as best as possible and what i see is i'm not only protected. Maybe ninety ninety five percent against infection. But it's it's over. Ninety percent against me transmitting a symptomatically in case the virus virus leaks in for a few hours. Well if i can't transmit it. And i really can't get it. Why should i have to wear a mask today. Well so this is. This is a great question. And and this is i think time too often because like you said June fifteen if we open Win with a mask. Mandate come off. Because i know mandate and what caused you to mandate is it. There's a coke city and this is a strategy by which to quote pens mission but obviously the ultimate strategy and actually stopped the pandemic or is mass vaccination. And in my opinion the mask mandate stocked when anyone who who in california who wants to get a vaccine boxing Which who likely actually coincide with around that time Because of course april fifteenth which is just all to be able to get the vaccine Sixteen in five. So you're just as vaccinating person safe from inception as much as i could possibly be safe And and the estimates in the real world affected the studies or not ninety five percents of actually higher up to ninety seven ninety percent and in one study was ninety. Nine point nine five percents so really amazing vaccines then What you just said is really I actually can't transmit very readily utah and those are the studies that were actually shown after the clinical trials. But we now have about seven of them. It's so that vaccines massively reduced. The ability to transmit once everyone is exited wants to be vaccinated then really. I don't see how there can be a mask. Mandate any municipality because just protect everyone from infection you protected them from spreading it. And if someone offers to get knocked gotta a vaccine Others people wearing masks Probably change equation and beyond that mass should be based on a public health emergency and the cases will be very low at that point otherwise. I'm held hostage wearing a mask because other people refuse to get a vaccine. And i don't think policy like that's gonna walled for very long. It will hold and and honestly i don't see that That we that we are going to have that many people who is not to get the vaccine. I do think certainly that some pockets of people who won't but luckily we don't have to get the vaccine from the virus to start slowing down and have massively cases. The freeze herd immunity does not refer to a hundred percent of us getting a hundred percent perfect vaccine so the cases will be so low by the time that we all are able to get the vaccine. Who wants to get the vaccine. Even those who have made that decision for themselves they're not gonna get vaccinated will also not be at risk. But you're up free right we can't be mandated to wear a mask if We have done sort of what what's been on which is taking the vaccine and And protecting others by taking the vaccine reading a quote from yours in the san francisco. Chronicle that you actually wrote to the california department of public health and urged them to lift the mask mandate on june eighteenth which is one year of they first issued but the second part of this quotas telling because he said it can be motivating to get more people to take the vaccine. If they know that we're gonna lift the mask. Mandate i guess you believe there's an emotional parts of this. Well i do because The easiness that i think that is every much ing how different countries investigating messaging thaksin's and we've been a little bit more on the side like take a vaccine but nothing's gonna change Actually what i find for my history of the nature of doctor is it's very motivating to say. Hey use this vacation and You don't need to do this. Other strategy to keep personal safe It's actually really motivating to give people things to look forward to. I call it doc. Seen optimism to reduce oxygen hesitancy. So i actually think that it'd be very motivating for people to think. Hey i really wanna take this scene ain't so we don't see i don't to ask anymore and the ultimate protection is like not just so much you're so much more protected Getting a vaccine than you wearing a mask for yourself or for others. it's incredibly motivating to imagine a time to go back to that More normal state of not wearing masks now in that story. One of your colleagues from uc san francisco. Dr george rutherford keeps showing up eight predicted that there will be compulsory mass wearing policies into twenty twenty two. He's he says vaccine hesitancy along with the various could keep these mask mandates in place you disagree. We'll he and he. And i are very close colleagues and we disagree On a couple of points. And we have. I guess publicly disagreed on a couple of points this this would be one of them. The thing about compulsion or mandate is that when you wanna use a mandate is when there's a public health emergency whereby enacting that mandate keeps other safe. If you have taken the vaccine you have already done what it takes to keep yourself safe. You also keep others safe. But what's not fair right now to release us mandates. Actually you don't believe it should be released now. Is that many of us who would rather vaccine have. I'd be the two needs so. I think it has to be it me. It's such a clean metric. It's so clean and it makes so much sort of reasonable sense that the point at which to lift is when all of us who wanna vaccine how the opportunity to get it and we're not at that point because You know if you're if you're under fifty you haven't you haven't had which is open towards you still to meet seems like an extremely clean metric lifted at that point and i. I do think that they'll be probably a reasonable. You think that. June eighteenth is a reasonable date where we'll be at that place. Competent eighteenth lose one is that it was nice round number because eighteen because the game set. The governor put on the mask mandate Last year so this sort of being Anniversary like about that but but beyond that. Actually i was calculating. How long would it take if we were all the vaccine april fifteenth. How long would it take approximately for all of us to get back to two doses of its vaccines and calculated. I sort of calculation landed around that time Again could be a few weeks after maybe even faster. I don't know. I don't know what that is going to be when everyone gets the opportunity. It's going to depend on supply And our logistical ability. To get out the back seat based on what you said at the beginning why isn't the policy that if once you get vaccinated twice or once with johnson and johnson and you wait the two weeks. You don't have to wear a mask. Why can't that be the policy. Why are they bothering people. As you said a vaccine is way better than a mask. So if i've got the wasn't why bother me at all don't you. Why don't you get out of jail. Free card then about that is that we don't actually have sleeve change the caller ever knows we're vaccinated. And when say excuse me got very muffled. Carter sleep my sleep. I mean there's people finding massachusetts if you did to me and again. This is how. I'm seeing a person. Eat doesn't seem quite fair. That people who have not been able to get the vaccine Have to do one busy and don't have to do another behavior. People desperately want the vaccines. They just haven't had the opportunity to get there. It took a couple of more months. I genuinely think it's not going to be longer than that. We have been through a lot already. And when you have 'em dates incite that's extremely motivating but to do it now when the people the vaccine they don't and there's no way for me to tell if i've wandered all the store whether you've been docstater or not i i think i sort of I'm seeing it sort of as a as a public health thing. I would just say literally. Just just give it a couple of months. I don't think they're not though dr gandhi. It's always great to talk to you. Wish you were in charge of the state's response to the eight. Dr monica gandhi infectious disease specialist at. Ucsf more coming up. I'm taking take you taping by vaccine card to buy forehead. You should maybe you can get it. Imprinted like yeah. I like i tend to right. Yeah that'll be a good look. Yeah i think so probably will start trend. I'm not gonna follow that one. John and ken jeong. Ken show john kobylt and ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app on the subject of vaccines Two things going on actually three The other day it was the state's vaccination eligibility to people that were ages fifty and older and next week april fifteenth. It'll open up vaccine eligibility anyone sixteen or older but at the same time. They're announcing this news. They also found out. There's going to be a drastic drop in the single dose johnson and johnson vaccines. That'll come to the state. What we're talking about here is they. Were getting five. Hundred and seventy five thousand doses. This is a single vac. Single-dose vaccine it's going to drop to sixty eight thousand next week so the week they're expanding eligibility they're seeing a significant drop jay jay talking did you say five seventy five. They're expecting no. They were getting five. Hundred and seventy five thousand doses. It will drop to sixty eight thousand five hundred seventy five thousand sixty eight thousand. That's correct my god. So they lost percent drop. They lost a half a million vaccines. What happened here was this. The company is having production problems. Nobody knows how this really works in. Terms of the federal allocations is supposedly based on population. But there seems to be some mystery to it because only two other states maine in delaware. Say they're going to get their rations cut. He's got that facility in baltimore. Johnson and johnson's a new jersey company. But just about vaccines produced at this plant in baltimore. Run by a company called emergent. Biology screwed up with the mixing. The astra zeneca vaccine into johnson. Johnson johnson said they've had issues with other quality control matters which rendered some other vaccine production. Useless what kind of dutch do they have. Run in these factories. They sizing madonna or humming. Along the yes true but because jay jay is a single dose. They were expecting this to be a game changer. Because you don't have to have and it doesn't require. I think the freezer and all right some of the other day just got. He thought this would be a game changer. In terms of getting the vaccine into more arms quickly but now that the allocation is gonna drop this dramatically well. I don't know what happens now next week with all these people that want to get in there and make appointments. You hear about michigan. So michigan is having significant increases right. I mean they're they're everybody's everyone's getting hysterical over it and they're blaming it on the british variant Not that we want to stigmatize the british and of course. That's one of the most locked down states gretchen. Whitmer is like a female version of newsom. Maybe it's the other way around. And she's got this big walk down but she's got a big spread anyway and she's asking the biden administration for more vaccine which does make sense right. You would think where you have a state or city where the where the where the spread seems to be happening rapidly. That's recent in the vaccines by the administration. Says no one saw that story. They're saying no. Why would you say no. If that's where it's spreading you're just going to get the allocation. You're getting based on population and not going to get this thing extra. Take do all that mask lecturing. You have a vaccine which is way better than a mass just rerouted. You would think so dopes. And i actually. I actually heard. I heard the clip of the biden officials saying that we are not gonna be changing our policy at this time. It's like why it doesn't explain why there's also a story you know that detroit mayor. He's the one that makes comments about john. Jay vaccine not being top shelf and now detroit is seeing its worst out per. Oh he is a complete bucket head. I mike dugan yeah yeah he's dugan all right he goes. Why don't we should wait for the best. I think at this point. You've been away for anything you can't know and you know it's funny you do that. What do you think what do you think the public is gonna do like well. The mayor said it's not very good and then they won't take it but that's the only thing at the at the vaccine store right and so they're not gonna take it and maybe that's part of the reason there's this big outbreak sh we got more coming up and he blames it on poverty. Why would it be poverty. Just everything's blamed on i know. That's their their scapegoat. We need equity john and ken. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt. Ken chiampou kfi am six. Forty everywhere on the iheartradio app. Oh a lot to come. Five o'clock or people hacking dumpster in one hour. We'll also be going biden failed. He flubbed another announcement yesterday. We'll play the audio and the ever heard it by now. play the reception. That mayor yoga pants got it dodger stadium for the home opener today. We play that continuously for an hour. The plate right. Now just you set your. You can't get enough of this. Wake you clip. Garcetti getting booed. They weren't listening. Please join me in welcoming los angeles mayor eric garcetti. La city council member fame broadcaster. High dodger owner. Billie jean king dodger arrogant magic johnson. The booze changed to cheers because of magic there at the end. And maybe for billie jean but but The bullying was so strong. it lasted three more introductions. Yeah that's how. That's how much los angeles hates. Garcetti just hates him this. He know this that. I guess not or he would not have participated in this where he's going to go to year. It's time to step in one year so we didn't get a job with the biden administration. Probably become a corrupt lobbyist. Be more run for the oregon stein seat or something like that. Oh yeah four. Oh yes sure. He'll win that a favorite things. Yeah he's world of the vagrants. This bizarre story. Apparently a homeless guy did pose as a us player for days. He ate meals. He hopped in the jacuzzi and he tried to feel punts. That's what got him discovered when he was unable to feel punts. Allegedly this impostor was about the age of a college football player although it wasn't quite the size of college football player according to usc campus security. Somehow this guy actually shared a jacuzzi at the mckay center with other football players on the teams. That's my worst nightmare. He ate at the football dining facility without any issue and slept for some time at a sweet in the coliseum. Usc security finally caught up on jan incident with him. At the soccer field on thirtieth street and hoover previously. They're not sure how he got into the mckay center so easily. That's the question again trying to figure. Nobody does their job. That's why well here's a clue to get. Into the mckay center they have fingerprint. Id however because fingerprint technology hasn't been used as much and some doors are being purposely left cracked open by athletes to allow easy access. Whether you know so they're getting around the security by putting a little thing in the door or something like that and what gets me security source is. This guy had the guts to just walk around like he belonged. He must have been a cool customer and mckay center. if he hadn't tried to return punts at practice he might still be out there and people would have noticed him. Well he's he's probably whacked out on a drug so he's got no fear. Gandhi probably thought it was funny. See how long can get away with being part of the well. He he had a home there for awhile. Spent a few nights in the suites at the coliseum. Yeah he better down in there right. That's i got. I got a message today on the nextdoor app for my neighborhood unit you know that that The a village right where they had the murder. Yeah well here's Here's today's atrocity. This is headlined. Ten fire attent just blew up on bringham where it merges into montana. This is just down the block. This is at the far end of the homeless encampment. The fire department showed up. Put it out and then immediately left homeless couple had been out there screaming one another and then boom. The woman claims her boyfriend. Set it on fire with a lighter and ran off so beware. There's a man running around not afraid to like things up there you go. Tent blew up and the thing is they said. Somebody took a picture of it and said the police didn't even show up. Just the fire department homes near that plaster. Yes a lot of medicine. A while. isn't sure what's around a lot of apartment buildings nearby across the street and somebody wrote in the comments. Did the police arrest them. The answer there were no cops. That's why it was so weird. The fire department literally sprayed it and this is probably the everyday norm for them. They were unfazed and somebody took a photo of the burned. Remnants and sheriff's department didn't come even though legally they they they control the sidewalk and people are going well. Why does the do something about this because you elect boobs. People are not connecting their votes. Or maybe they don't vote. I it's donna. Shing that they sit home and they sit on their keyboard and right all these stupid comments all. Why doesn't the city do you know who's running the city and you put them there. You've certainly put in charge of that district and this is. This is the area where garcetti gets all his campaign money. So you not only vote for them you pay for their campaigns. I don't understand why. The city god. I just don't know what's wrong with people like yesterday. I talked to a man who owns a business building in santa monica near. The promenade does parking garages. I'm sure you've been there taken over by the homeless financially. Have these dumpster rooms with their stoves in there and they're cooking meth. I think i mentioned last time. I went much debate around christmas. Yeah i think it was christmas time and again. This poor guy gets no response from the city manager the mayor. Nobody cares nothing. Nobody cleans up. Nobody does anything to stop. This and the people are coming from like palm springs. Now they're finding out on social media that it's a good place to go because the beach is nice and they leave you alone there. When i went when i went. The place. reeked of excrement reeked of urine. New fresh loafs. Especially when you've got near the stairwells is it. No way go. Well i just parked on the first floor. I can't park on the first floor there. I won't go anywhere because nocco navistar stairwells. And i'm not going into the elevators. No and and sleep in their and poop in there. I have this vague. Hope that is people awake from this stupid pandemic and they pu pull off their stupid masks and they start sniffing around and looking around saying oh my god everything that was here before the shutdown is still here except it's ten times worse there are now tents. There are people cooking meth in the tense. There is more theses on the ground. There are more needles on the ground. The little villages of spread everywhere. They're about to be sanctioned by mike bond and to spread all along the beach from pacific palisades to elsa gundel. I'm hoping everyone is gonna look around like the day after. What was that movie years ago like the day after after a nuclear explosion. Yeah and people look around go holy mackerel. This is horrific. Have the hell. did this happen. Oh god i bet you a lot of people. A lot of the women who walk around wearing wearing their double basks in their sunglasses. They they've stayed mostly in their house so they walk up and down there black. They need to get out to the prominent. They need to go to that parking garage and see. We got more coming up. John and ken. Kfi johnny show. John kobylt ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. We'll be going by ville. We got the moist line people next hour and of course hacks to throw in the dumpster. Don't go anywhere for the finish of the week. Five o'clock hour on a friday. But you know it's funny. last time. We talked about the three women. That were fighting. A postal worker got attacked by two women. And that was in michigan. This story is also michigan. And it's from the category of what is wrong with some men in that they just cannot control their sexual compulsions. Here is the story coming to us. from fox. to in michigan there are identified a story so disturbing. We want to warn our viewers. Make sure the kids are in bed or out of the room. It involves a disgusting act with beloved character from sesame street. A home inspector caught on a nanny. Cam pledging himself with a stuffed toy while on the job walks to ten here now with more on the story dan. Let's put it this way. Technology can be a blessing and a curse. The cameron the baby's room triggered by movement and caught exactly what the home inspector was doing while. It's not often. You hear a reaction like that from the oakland county sheriff. And it's not often you hear of an act so appalling march twelve before selling in oxford township a couple of this man into their home on gil street for a routine inspection that turned into anything but they left never suspecting the fifty nine year old man what allegedly fulfil his sexual urges with their child's elmo doll while he was in there he took that opportunity to be a baby's nursery and worse while he's in the nursery for whatever sick reason finds himself in need of sexually gratifying. Self with a tickle me. Elmo doll disturbing sexual act revealed when movement and the child's room triggered the nursery camera. The image shows when kevin van leuven picked up the tickle me elmo doll the homeowner shocked when she was alerted on her cell phone. She looked at her phone at the video feed and saw him. It looked like he was not inspecting. It looked like something was going on so she hit the record button and noam behold up capturing something that certainly no one of their right mind could imagine. It didn't take long for her to figure out what he was doing with elbow after hitting record she immediately contacted the oakland county. Sheriff's office deputies confronted him than initially denied it and then they told him that it was on video and then he apologized. The fugitive apprehension team arresting the home inspector on wednesday. He's been charged with aggravated indecent exposure and a misdemeanor charge of malicious destruction of property. But perhaps what's even more disgusting after abusing the doll and move and put it back like nothing ever happened. Put the doll back which mom would have never known. Had she not capture. That's one of those you came to thought processes that ban leuven expected to be back in court and a couple of weeks in the meantime as the condition of his bond is not to be alone and a house. he doesn't own and we'll have to get a mental health evaluation on impulsive dramatic too. I think there were more upset and appalled the this reporter and all those witnesses more than if it was a person. There was something about the elmo doll. They seem to be more bothered child's beloved toy. That seems to be a real intrusion and it seems to be a step closer to a child. You know what i'm saying had an elmo elmo used to talk right yeah that's not what it does. Giggle does giggles a couple of times. And then we have this time. It says that tickles. I had one for my son. Okay but they were very popular ken. No how do you know what the because it was so popular. There was a shortage of tickle me. Elmo dolls nephews and nieces the familiar with friends kids so and it's a large mouth. I'll just put that in. There is picture look suspiciously. Like steve gregory booking phone yes that elmo or martin l. No thank you very much. Doing doing is debra mark. He tried to claim you just moving the doll to inspect an electrical outlet but video made it pretty clear. There was more going on to stand. You're never alone. There's always surveillance video. Yeah you gotta vote in this world. You gotta do that at home. You could have your little You know elmo collection by guys fifty. Nine years old. I charge sexual appetite. This is a fifty nine year. Old man government worker. Of course now. The mom is only twenty two record. Wonder if there was some sort of projected no right maybe he got all worked up looking at mom and just took it alma and that last part was disturbing that he plays the doll. Back was all right. It was wondering if there was anything on it but that story a couple of weeks ago. Remember the guy who assaulted the stuffed animal yes the unit coordinated targets and put it back on the on the table shelf so these make it look like nothing happens. Sure just return everything to place but what is wrong. We always accompany the government workers when they tear your house ever mark men. Men just can't disgusting. You never see a woman doing. No you do not. That's right. yes think about that for a minute. You see you see how revved up men are women do it in public but i think women do things in pride maybe five about to elbow though. I don't think will never assault unicorn very unicorn. Think about that one for a moment. All right. five o'clock is here. We'll start by visiting by villanova. Join this john. And ken show debra mark has the news. Kfi am six forty.

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Ep 86 Epidemiologist Dr. George Rutherford

Midlife Mixtape

41:15 min | 11 months ago

Ep 86 Epidemiologist Dr. George Rutherford

"It's you know it's unfortunate but this is a moment in time this time next year this problem will hopefully be solved. Welcome to midlife mic statement. The podcast. I'm nancy davis co and we're here to talk about the years between being him and breaking one. We do Buluan filming by taking slung. Aim keenum who listeners. This year's thanksgiving celebrations may be the strangest on record between the hardships of twenty twenty and the fear of covid spread. It's unlikely we're going to be celebrating the holiday as usual. But that doesn't mean there aren't reasons to be grateful or ways to find more thankfulness in our lives and to make it easier. I'm giving away ten signed copies of my book. The thank you project. Cultivating happiness one letter of gratitude at a time over at good reads just head over to good reads dot com and search for the book or for my name. And you'll find the page that lets you enter to win. Of course you can also find the book in bookstores online and for audio download. All the details are davis co dot com. That's dav is k. h. o. dot com and. Hey the holidays are coming. How about writing a thank you letter to someone tucking it inside my very pretty little blue book. It's a double whammy. Science shows that you and the letter recipient will feel better with that gratitude letter in place between the two of you and then you can just sit back and talk yourself into some eggnog and sugar. Cookies it's thaad. Hey people were back. I'm nancy davis co. And i wanna thank you for tuning in house your stress level. I'm recording this episode on the fourth day of november third three days after the election swollen up about the outcome of the presidential race and hoping not to be dropping an episode during a civil war. I have to assume could happen. In which case may your toilet. Paper supplies be robust. Your reflexes sharp. Your battle hymns at the ready now. Let's gaels humor. But i don't know what we're supposed to be thinking or doing right now and i'm really looking forward to the day that i can go. Twenty four hours in a row without thinking about who the president is. Today's is a bit different than normal but given the circumstances. I figured you wouldn't mind. The deal is that i know an epidemiologist and in twenty twenty. That's quite useful connection to have so. I asked if he would come on the show not to talk about midlife but about cova where we're going what we need to know right now and yes of course. I asked him about his first concert. Burien you guys sent him some questions. I had some of my own and the result is today's interview with dr. George rutherford md. Dr roth avert is the salvatore pablo lucia professor of epidemiology preventive medicine pediatrics and history. And he's head of the division of infectious disease and global epidemiology apartment of epidemiology and biostatistics at university of california san francisco dr efforts expertise in the epidemiology and control of communicable diseases of public health significance with a focus on hiv ebola virus and zika virus infection in low and middle income countries. Dr weatherford service as an advisor to the centers for disease control and prevention and the world health organization. He's been involved in public health response to covid since the earliest days of the pandemic. So i'm telling you we got the right guy on the line. I'm going to be up front with you because this is not a fiction. Podcast you are not going to hear. That is great so climb off now. If you're waiting for a bedtime story that's gonna make you feel better however because i respect you and believe in your ability to remain common plan accordingly. I'm hoping this interview will help you take steps to safeguard yourselves your families and your communities and to finally finally put this stuff behind us so let's hop up on the exam table and have the doctor give it to a straight a. So i'm here today with dr. george rutherford george. Thank you so much for coming on the program today. Of course my pleasure. Now i don't know if you know this but regardless of what the situation is with the pandemic outside the larger world we always start the midlife. Mix tape podcast with the most important question. Which is what was your first concert in. What were the circumstances trying to remember. The name of the band was either is like alternate spinach or fresh spinach. Or some some stoner thing. This was in nineteen sixty eight. So where wasn't cal western which is up now called point loma nazarene college. It was in san diego. Fresh garbage was one of their snow. Totta dada dada. But i'll look it up after you know if i can find video for fresh spinach song. Fresh garbage will put that with the episode. Have that furniture. Something i i can remember. My father asked me. What band writes in the rolling. His eyes then it worked. That's the whole point. I feel like we have to make the former ask. is it. Okay if we ask you to be the midlife mix tape official epidemiologist and in return for you agreeing to do that. I was gonna offer to make you a mix tape. Sounds great. I hey do you. Do you have favorite songs about medicine. Are there any that really. Speak to you of medicine. Yeah or doctors Bad case of loving or or or the doctor john rosetta. I was feeling so bad. I asked by family doctor just what i had. So we'll put that in there listeners. If you've got any songs about doctors or medicine or health sending your suggestions to me because you know. I love nothing more than a themed. Mix tape challenge so george. I'm gonna put something together. That you know hopefully will will crowd source and give something something new to listen to in in gratitude for the service. You're providing us today. Wizard about kind of you. Thank you well. Every time i opened the san francisco chronicle and look at an article about cova and the pandemic. you're one of the experts who has cited. So i really am grateful to have your expertise here on the show and listeners. Most of the listeners to the show are what i call in the years between being hip and breaking one or you know in midlife which means we're not just thinking about kkob as it relates to ourselves which is plenty worrisome but also were worried about aging parents and younger people in our lives. And you know we can be worried and seventy different directions over stuff. We can't control before we ever get out of bed in the morning. So i'm going to start casting the question. Net wide with some really general stuff and then we'll narrow into question sent in by midlife mix tape listeners. So you and. I are talking in the the end of october. What's the state of play in the end of october. Can you talk about trends that you're seeing that are concerning and are there any better hopeful of where where are we. Let's get a level set of where we are with covert right now and you obviously are in the bay area but you have worked globally and you know we can be brought in this as you would like to be so there's very little that's encouraging me be frank. Europe is in the midst of a second wave of the pandemic. that's much worse than their first wave although it spread fairly broadly across the continent. So that you're not seeing the very localized outbreaks like in milano and parts of spain. It's much more generalized. So that the hospitals aren't getting killed yet in the united states. We've clearly entered. The third wave of an epidemic of our of our epidemic cases are increasing across the country. Although on a per capita basis there are astoundingly. Bad in places. Like north dakota south dakota montana wyoming utah zero missouri iowa nebraska places like that sort of upper midwest in terms of total cases. Texas now dominates the largest amount of all cases than illinois which really is kind of part of this upper midwest cluster and california's because our population so large. So that's what's going on in the in california however the signs as of like right now today is that we were in a plateau We're still at the tail end of the second wave of the epidemic without a lot of new evidence of a third wave. Starting although there have been some worrisome spikes and a few places but we'll have to see how those shakeout over the next couple of days whether those are just artifacts of people showing up all showing up at the same time to get diagnosed or whether they really are the start of a large Upsurge california's done really quite well. Compared to the other states for sure in terms of being able to stabilize Infection rates stabilized hospitalization rates and stabilize the test positively. It's a big complex thing trying to understand what's going on in california. What goes on in imperial county and what goes on del norte. County could not be more diametrically opposed. So it's it's it's big it's complicated. There's infinite amount of detail i mean. We obviously closed down really early. And there's other states that did as well we're just seeing those policies. Play out now. Is that. that's what i'm here with. The upper midwest steph. Those are states. that didn't have masking. Didn't have the kind of shutdowns that we have gone through. It was the wisconsin. Supreme court said. It was unconstitutional invoice in one one evening in may there now just being slammed like So our our early shutdown That's kind of long ago and far away at this point in time there's essentially no residual from it except economic in terms of disease transmission long on the second phase the second wave of the epidemic was quite generalized. It involved disproportionately Latino population of the state both in urban areas like the fruitvale district and oakland and the mission san francisco but also in agricultural areas. And we're still seeing high rates in cinema monterey imperial riverside counties which i think are probably kind of the tail end of the agricultural harvesting season Where we're still seeing the farm workers who are being disproportionately affected but beyond that in. That's kind of coming down. But that's coming down is a natural phenomenon because people are going to go back to their regular houses and not be living in. You know marginal housing in your the fields. I would hope that that dissipates over time. Now the other thing that's going on school reopening in school reopening as is a real thing that's going on and much of the state a slowly our opening the elementary schools i Which is the prudent thing to do. And we have not seen any school outbreaks yet. We've seen college outbreaks and but most of the colleges are pretty much sure shutdown right down. So that's ms unfortunately if you're your college student it's fortunate for disease control standpoint right. And how are you feeling about the vaccine research where we are with development of a vaccine. I mean the pictures loud and clear. We're not nearly to the end the road here and we've got some rough months ahead of us but obviously you know i keep thinking that if there's a vaccine this is when things are really going to change i don't know if that's even true so how are you feeling about the state of accede research and what does it look like when that is available. So i'm feeling quite confident about the state of vaccine research. Although there was a problem today in brazil needs to be figured out but the to Marin vaccines the moderna in the pfizer vaccines. I think we're going. We're going to start seeing data from those very quickly and we'll be able to move ahead with them They're not going to be very many doses to start within. These are all those vaccine schedules. So you need to get one dose and then a second dose either twenty one or twenty eight days later. There should be something like one hundred million doses available nationwide say by the end of december round guessing. At one hundred million doses. Translate to fifty million people to get vaccinated in california as fifteen percent of the popular of the of the population of the country. That's seven and a half million here now and happen. They're gonna try and distribute it a little bit more evenly across the states but in california. I think we're going to have enough to vaccinate some healthcare workers the ones who are regain. Icu's and emergency departments in a really forward-facing are ones that are going to see patients. If i had my way the first people i vaccinate or nursing home attendance and and congregate living facility attendance. Those are the people who can experience said can be big amplifiers often because they're not the world's greatest jobs and so people often work at more than one facility and so there can be a real kind of crossbreeding of oven of outbreaks. Um we've not having nursing home outbreak in quite a while except for one in santa cruz about four weeks ago when one recently in shasta county but early on fifty percent of the mortality was a nursing home. So that's one thing we're trying to. I mean those groups. I would give precedence to federal government's gonna break it off the top for its own purposes. You can well imagine that. The navy at who has had big outbreaks on big ships. Big important ships like nuclear aircraft. Carriers doesn't wanna be screwing around with us any more than they have to be right. I think that that's gonna come off the top. Then you have people people who actually live in nursing homes. You know how well their immune systems can respond to this. We're not quite sure. But hopefully the day. There will be a sufficient data on the immunization of older people as as his trial data. Come up they may well be at the top of the list and then we have this sort of amorphous. Category of essential workers. Whatever that means I think the guys picking the fruit in the fields are essential workers. That's that's my. That's my list of essential workers bazaar the ones with all the infection. Right now you know but there will be pressure that it's gotta be the the prison guards or it's gotta be the police or it's gotta be the fire department or it's got to be. The empty is probably get it right off the bat and who gets to make those decisions the governor. Cdc is making it as there's a. There's a committee that preceded trying to make recommendations for the nation of for the first round. But then it's gonna come down to the states in the states are going to have to decide what they're going to so it's going to be different in all fifty states of corporates. How we've done all this sure because it's been so effective. I hadn't even factored in that. It's a does vaccine so when you hear people saying they're going to be x number of doses available. You need to cut that number in half right exactly a guy you can imagine. The data the data complications that engenders as well. You're gonna have to really keep track of who's gotten vaccinated right and that doesn't even touch on the question of how many people are skeptical of a vaccine whether it's because they're antibac- sers or because trump said it was okay so they don't want to get his vaccine so i don't know if you've seen this governor newsom appointed up of people who've been on basically the big cdc immunizations committees in the past two independent review of the data. Before offering the vaccine in california. I did see that. California is putting in the second level of security basically to make sure that the vaccine does what what we hope it will do. And i guess other states will or will not depending on. Who's in charge new york. Did it already new yorker broke the ice on this one in. But i think if it gives people greater confidence that the vaccine's effective and more importantly safe we can put vaccine coverage from forty percent to sixty percent or even higher. I think it's an effort well-spent right. So what's a realistic time line. Do you think before. Joe you know joe blow on the street is going to be able to get a vaccine or nancy coast sitting in her podcast studios. Forget joe blow. I just want to know when my my kids can go. Get there's ally july okay and give it to kids by the way mine are grown up so there but okay. So they're not gonna. They're not going to be for kids. It'll be early. May not they may not give it to them right away because they may because younger kids are not they do get infected. They do get complications. They can die but it happens in so much less frequently than an older people or even adolescence. There's a vaccine sparing mode. You might. there's some suggestion about sprint kids about not activating kids right off the bat. Well in hopeful that has a vaccine gets more widespread spread the the risks kids will get even lower. just because i'm less likely to be infected. Yeah right you know. I heard you tell a story just wanted to ask you to share for this audience. I heard you talking about the impact of the motorcycle. Rally in sturgis. Can you tell that story again. Plays cr- i couldn't believe it. So sturgis south. Dakota's little town in western south dakota that has a big motorcycle rally every year and by big. I mean four hundred and sixty thousand. People come into sturgis south dakota for a ten day event so there was you know not you know i. I've i've seen all the pictures i've seen. Maybe one or two masks out of this whole crowd and it's cheek by jowl smack bars everywhere it just you know. It's like a perfect incubation model. In early september secured from august when say six to fifteen. But it's something like that. By early september there had been an there was an estimate that there had been two hundred and sixty six thousand secondary cases from sturgis. Either people who got infected there or people who got infected there in the came back and infected other people in their home counties that accounted for a nineteen percent of all cases in the us between august second and september. Second the estimated cost of medical care for this population of infected. People was twelve point. Two billion dollars which meant you could have paid everybody. Twenty six thousand dollars not to come. And that's i'm hearing it a second time. And i'm still just as stunned. Four hundred sixty thousand people. 'cause two hundred sixty six thousand cases so that was as of the beginning of september right so gotten now right which leads to my next question. Given the lack of cohesive national response and with colder months looming. What are the most important things that people can do in the coming weeks to keep themselves in their communities safe and i guess the short answer is. Don't don't pull a sturgis. Well the big ten's coming back with football games this this saturday. Now they're not. I don't forget people in the stands. And if they do that it's going to be at minimal capacity but those are the big crowd events that you worry about right or we get to the rose parade and stuff. Yeah you don't wanna pull any kind of mask thing but the real question is about smaller family gatherings as you know. We have everything from halloween to deal with. Those two thanksgiving to christmas and new year's coming up and there are all sorts of opportunities for small family gatherings which dr redfield at cdc has specifically started to warn people about. And i think those could potentially be large amplifying events. And you know i for one am eyeing the sort of fat tapan instead of turkey. My wife and i can split the thanksgiving. Have everybody else on zoom. Is that what you're gonna do i have. I haven't told her this bit of news yet. So i'm not breaking it to her. Yeah i mean. I think that's possible to do so. I mean we're gonna get to listener questions but that absolutely was one of the questions that came in from ellen said basically. She's got college kids coming home. Her kids were able to go live on campus. Although it's not the kind of semester that any of us have ever had on campus or envisioned for our children. But they're going to be coming back home. They go see the grandmother. It two states away to drive the grandmothers been by herself for months and months and months. You're saying collar on zoom. Everybody stay home. Yep that's i'm saying. I mean this is this is exactly the sort of stuff. I'm talking about exactly. Yeah and it's you know it's unfortunate but this is a moment in time this time next year. This problem will hopefully be solved yet. I mean i'm totally with you. I was trying to figure out if there's another family because all we're all here not mixing with anybody really. And i was trying to think if there's another family that we could invite over just so we're looking at somebody. Besides the four of us. And i had a friend who said you know what let's make a turkey sandwich and meet out somewhere for a hike and i'm like that. Sounds like a great thanksgiving to me for twenty twenty. Why even bother pretending that it's going to be the same holiday and like you said it's a moment in time it's one year and you know if you if you insist on having another family over have to tables and have m- outside. Yeah and and you know. Stay away from each other. Yeah we've got more questions for midlife mix tape listeners. But we're gonna take a quick break to hear from our sponsor the presenting sponsor of the midlife mix tape. 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It has been sneezing into their. And you know. yeah you can. You can get my transmission from that but aside from stainless steel and glass services. It's pretty pretty unlikely. It's funny because if he were to ask me what is a service that might actually be glistening. Thanks to a stranger. New york city subway pole would be my first response so that lines up. Chris also wondered whether he needs to wear a mask all the time when he walks outside or only when he's near other people in that is i have that question too. 'cause i take a mask with me to walk. I put it on when i see people coming but do i have to have it on all the time. Should you should people come up from behind jones stuff. I at some level. It's easier just put it on. Keep it on the not okay. Well my daughter pointed out to me that it's actually helpful for building lung capacity because you have to work harder to breathe if that's true but could use it at least to rationalize that answer that question. Yeah the answer. No doesn't increase the work of ruth okay. Increase smells breathing. Not the word. Capri them all right. Well keep the keep the mask on and put it on outside the front door and don't take it off until you get back inside. We're gonna easier all right. Jennifer wrote in and said. Are you able to estimate. Average immunity conferred from covid infection She had cova back in april and she's wondering if she still has any protection now. Don't don't probably about somewhere. Between eighty five and ninety percent of people develop measurable antibody but only about fifteen percent of people develop high levels of measurable antibody and these are the right kinds of antibodies neutralizing antibodies that are directed to the protein on the sars. Cov two virus that actually binds to the cell wall basically. It's the key that goes into the Those antibodies wayne overtime but all antibodies wayne overtime. And the question is if you get re challenged. Will you have an immune response where you can recall this immunity and start making antibodies so fast that you don't get sick. The other there are a number of other corona viruses. We deal with there are four that are of a different lineage the alpha krahn for you virologist out there and they are the ones cost common. Colds upper respiratory infections immunity to them. Way wayne's over about four months so the concern is that maybe this is really not long lasting immunity plus we now have about a half dozen cases of clearly documented. Reinfection sec action. But that's out of forty million cases worldwide so homages six make you nauseous like Who cares but it's you know the the concern is is that this may not be naturally acquired. Immunity may not be as long live as As we would hope that it is so does that just mean we get our double kovic shots every year along with our flu shots or is it the actually the way the shots will work is it will set up a little protein workshop in your cells that will spit out these spike proteins. So you'll be continuously exposed and you lab continuous high levels of of antibody. So that's the plan the issue that's come up here. Recently is the whole notion of herd immunity and if we just let everybody get infected which also means leading tens of thousand people get dead we would have naturally acquired immunity and everything it'd be hunky dory and then have to wait for a vaccine which by the way is coming in about three weeks you know land of short attention span theater a but you know there's no guarantee that that's gonna happen right there we're gonna actually that's actually going to be able to protect people so sweden went down this path to have You know pretty much open economy which crashed anyway and basically ended up with ten times. The mortality of norway and five times the mortality of denmark and managed to get maybe seven and a half percent of its population with an measurable antibody levels. Now they're having a second wave of infection just as bad as the rest of europe i. I don't think there's any real merit to displaying that. Oh yeah i had it. I have antibodies. therefore i'm immune. Although somebody said this last week was that. I cannot recall while. I don't think i if i were in your shoes i'd get vaccinated for sure. Yeah well it's funny. Bring up sweden murray had written and asked about how how was it. Sweden's positive cases per capita. Where only a little bit more than a third of ours when they never wore masks or did a shutdown but it sounds like we may not be looking at that the right way. Yeah well. They haven't looked recently. You know trump turns of numbers of cases and they had exceptionally high mortality Okay tim wondered what you think. Some of the long term ramifications will be for those who recover from covert and and whether there is data on the percentage of cases that will have those long term consequences. The long haulers. That's a great question. Unfortunately were The studies are just getting put together now to try and understand. What the risk is this longer term risk. And what's it's associated with. And what its manifestations are for right. Now i what i can tell you is yes. There is a risk of of long term complications. There are a whole variety of them that have been described. Everything from myocarditis through the heart muscle to blood clots to neurologic disease without have without following a cohort of one hundred thousand patients. Forward over time. You know we're not going to know. What percentage is this. And what percentage is that and what may be what may contribute to this or what may contribute to that. Those studies are being put together. Now it's not risk-free once you get it you don't walk away us off your knees and get up and go right back to where you were Sarel that's the thing that's so crazy about this herd immunity theory is you don't know which category urine before you get it. I mean i've a friend whose daughter is along holler and she's twelve years old and it's bad it's it's a really it's a really challenging situation to be in and you don't wanna mess around with it. There's one bit of information to walk away with today. It's don't get infected okay. And the way to not get infected is to wear your masks and do your social distancing and don't have company over for thanksgiving and christmas sorry not sorry and especially voiding. Crowds endorse okay. Because that was my question that i sent into myself george. When will it be safe to go to a concert again. Out indoors or outdoors indoors at the fox theater in oakland specifically that broken down. Yet the name of the fox out of your mouth. Don't talk about my favorite theater that way. Well it all depends on what state of the air handling units can do. We've been we've been trying to deal. Help the opera in san francisco was from. Ucsf and we're dealing with one thousand nine hundred state of the art nineteen thirties ventilation systems. Crank it up a little bit more What i fear will happen is that there will be a lot of hesitancy about vaccination and there'll be a lot of outright resistance about vaccination and only a certain proportion of the population we'll get vaccinated like half and those people will have some magic button on their on their cell phone that says they've been vaccinated and therefore they can go to the fox theater or they can go into a restaurant for dinner or they can go to a basketball game or they can do this or they can do that right. That's what i'm worried about. That's why i'm worried. We're going to have a tiered less will really you know get vaccinated in to a level where you can achieve artificial herd immunity which is probably on the order of seventy percent. We're gonna end up with a society that's going to be segregated by whether your phone as green bar on it or a red bar. That's a terrifying dystopia future. Yeah but that's what public health workers in the cdc if you let them do their job that's the kind of stuff they can work on. You can avoid if you just get vaccinated right while i've been. I know we're coming to the end of my time with you but I will ask you the question. That diane senton. If you could get everyone in the world to cooperate what could we do to eradicate the disease. And how long would it take. This is a disease that occurs in nature and so it will likely crossover again. So we're not going to be able to eradicate it so to put that out of your mind what to control it though what we need to be able to do in the absence of vaccine what we need to be able to do is to have aggressive screening and aggressive quarantine in isolation by aggressive isolation. I mean making it worth people's while to be isolated for ten days after they're diagnosed and that means if you're a guy standing in front of home depot looking for day labor. Somebody's gotta be paying your wages. Have a place for you to live improve. Give your family food okay. That's what that's what happens in san francisco and that's not what's happening in other places. That's what makes successful isolation and quarantine. There's no point in testing people unless you're going to isolate them being the isolation people who are infectious until they are no longer infectious now. This is a fairly crude way of doing this. But that's what that's what testing is all about it's for the purposes of isolation or if you've been exposed in are not infectious yet quarantine and societies. That have done a good job of this taiwan. Do this very aggressively. And don't screw around with it. I i would also say that the This is a bit of a theoretical discussion or extract attention span theater. I mean this what we've been doing. Obviously but you know when vaccine comes people get vaccinated right. Hopefully abba convincing solid vaccine with that has very low levels of side effects and is highly effective. But you know no vaccine is one hundred percent so we're gonna end up with a ninety percent effective vaccine to get to a seventy percent or admitting means we're gonna have to vaccinate seventy seven percent of people. That's a huge tall order right and the other thing is about these vaccines is that they have to be started minus seventy degrees so centigrade. So there's a huge logistical challenge with these things as well okay did not didn't know that either. Divide the number of vaccines by two and stick them in your freezer. Your coldest the universes called his coldest. Razor marigot griego. Is there a question that people should ask you. And don't i mean. I get asked two thousand questions today. I don't. I don't think so. I mean i think that you know. Basically all the knowledge was out there. It's a question of synthesizing it you know. I think we have to really see how the vaccine plays. How the The trials look like what the data looked like. And then we'll be able to really kind of entered this next phase of disease control. But i mean make no mistake about it. There were a hundred mistakes made by the federal government specifically in january february and march and they continue to go on and the one thing i would like to be able to come away from this with is a really clear plan with clear lines of authority and the right kinds of warning systems to catch the next one of these before they part goes down. I don't know if people know this. But usa id had an early warning system. Specifically for these things will branch of which was specifically in wuhan in china and it was closed down in october because usa. I decided it wasn't worth it. Okay that's the kinda nonsense just absolutely has to stop. Amanda that all right. Dr george roth aford were so grateful. You shared your expertise today now. We always like to wrap up our reflections on the years between being hip and breaking one by asking this final question. What one piece of advice do you have for people younger than you or do you wish you could go back and tell yourself. Oh that's an interesting question. I didn't see a great t-shirt the other day. I tell you this and said you know you're old when happy hour means naptime. I'm old i'm old. I love them so anyway. So you want you want a real answer. I mean that's a good one to if you go back and tell younger george roth aford or somebody younger than you. What would your piece of advice be you know. I think that you have to find something you like. Do get well trained and do it. I think that we're citizens of the world. And i think we should act that way and be responsible on a worldwide stage. I actually do business in five languages. So i would. I would encourage people to learn languages. It's good for your memory. You know yeah you can learn the piano. Yeah yeah yeah but unless it's close encounters of the third kind that doesn't really count as a foreign language. You and i guess my advice is don't be insular if you're going to pick large kind of overriding themes you know. Don't be insular There's lots of parts of the world and if we're gonna be able to survive as a species for more than a few hundred few thousand years more we're gonna have to take much better care of the earth and that means finding solutions and being able to cooperate with people and not go alone. That's very good. Advice is is one of your language. Is german i was gonna say feeling dunk fit. Your site does a I'm not gonna embarrassments up with my french. I didn't tell the story on the radio when i have to look. I was in paris day. My daughter who was gone over from wanted throughout like a long weekend at bought me tickets to the french open to the french tennis open and we go on a wednesday afternoon. And it's like the most complicated gotta show your passport twice and they got the you know the paramilitary police there in. It's is also french school children's day so it is this guy behind me who's pushing in line those long lines and he's like my age i finally said to infringe yourself. You're so important. Go ahead was poisoned. A course he goes ahead of me again. Of course he turns are anti turns around and looks to me. It looks at me says you canadians. Think you're so perfect. And then i wanted to say if it weren't press canadian jacques. You'd be speaking german shnell and a subjunctive and i would never get it right in a million years. Oh that's awesome. That is an excellent story. We're going to close on that. Thank you so much for being on the show. george. I really appreciate your time at dot. We'll talk to you soon. Okay thanks okay hope. That conversation was useful to you listeners. Love to hear what you thought of it. Thanks to everyone who sent in a question and apologies. I didn't have time to get to all of them but there was a lot to discuss. I seriously want to make dr at the verte medically famed mix tapes. So please be sure to semi song ideas. I wanna be sedated. Feels right to me about now but maybe there will be better news by the time. The episode airs. Email your suggestions of songs to dj at midlife mix tape dot com or send me a message via instagram facebook or twitter at midlife. Mix tape when i couldn't find any fresh garbage songs about spinach but i found one about spirit so check out the show notes for a taste of the band. That may dr rutherford's father roll his eyes. I wanted to mention that. I'm still adding transcripts to every episode in case you prefer to read rather than listen. 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"Well Hello, America, and welcome to Tuesday, this is the Glenn Beck Program I. I hesitate to bring this to you because I know you've got a lot on your plate right now. But I found something yesterday a that I don't think you're going to be four. In fact. You might be really really really against. But. It's something good, and we all have to get on the train because that train is leaving the station and it's going to exciting places and the World Economic Forum is taking us there. Wait until you hear how cove. It is being used now. The great reset. In sixty seconds. The Glenn, Beck Program. Well somewhere within the sound of my voice, there's a man having a final twirl in the office chair before walking out that door one last time. The gold watch. Yeah, he'd be getting. Gold Watch of anybody gave gold watches. We more years, and decades of memories drift around him the hard work, the pride, the integrity that went into being the best that he could be at the job. Of handshake deals went down in this room. There wasn't one that he didn't hold his end up on. Wasn't much just always wanted to be able to walk tall wherever you went and today. He's walking out of that office tall. Clock a wall. He's checked it for lunchtime so many times. At clock tells him now. It's time to go somewhere else. He's got little party waiting for him. He exits in his pair of Tacoma's boots. It takes two hundred steps and made to make these boots. And they're made from the finest leathers known to man. That's the kind of integrity that's kept him walking told yet again. Find your pair of two covas at took Covas dot com slash Beck to Kovas, T. E. C. O. V. A. S. dot com slash back to Covas Western goods for your frontiers tomorrow night. The lies the politics. The so-called experts who distort science. We're not gonNA use our children as Guinea pigs level of. That trump the boss are creating prepares. A teachers are terrible. Why would? Be He's the media endangering our children to score points against. Takes on coronavirus facts without fear tomorrow night nine PM Eastern F- Dot Com Slash Glenn. Hey Welcome to the program. And I'm GonNa lay some things out that you just heard. In that Promo, whereas we get ready for tomorrow's Big Wednesday night special and The Wednesday night special is about the lies and the deception, and the things that the press is doing just because they want to defeat trump and I understand why they want to defeat trump more and more every day because he doesn't answer to anyone except you. And that's a problem. especially with what's going down in the world? Boy We would be so. We'd be in so much trouble so much trouble. This all would have happened. had. Hillary Clinton Ben the president of the United States and it's going to happen. If Joe Biden is president. I personally think we're going to have a really tough fight on our hands, but I want you to hear what is now coming out of the. Global Economic Forum. The global economic. Forum is now talking about a great reset. We're not talking about a restart. Remember that v-shaped economy. We're GONNA. Turn it off and then we're GONNA. Turn it right back on, and we're GONNA v-shaped economy. Well, it's not happening and it wouldn't have ever happened. It's a ridiculous idea. So now, the Economic Forum is talking about the great reset and I just want to read to you. What they've been. What they what they're up to. No jobs, few crops, Corona, virus, and pass leave Nepal fearing hunger, how Europe can emerge stronger out of the corona virus, although some people had been warning us like Bill Gates and his Twenty Fifteen Ted talk, we were under underprepared. Unfortunately, it often takes a tragedy to respond in a coordinated divisive way just like my country. The Netherlands experienced in nineteen fifty-three when dykes broke. Even when the virus was spreading in China, we didn't see it coming. Neither when it hit Asia or Italy at that moment, we still felt reasonably safe in the rest of Europe or the US, but it turned out to impact all of us, and now also Latin America. and Africa and we went into lockdown to contain the spread of the virus within the capacity of our healthcare systems. We succeeded in many ways, but it is substantial, economic, societal and personal cost. A societal cost to that. With the help of distancing protection measures, testing and tracing, we are easing lockdowns while working hard on vaccines and treatments. And then. Back to January twenty twenty, when all was quote still normal and good and quote, no exclamation point. We need a great reset that should be our response to coming back better from covid nineteen, it requires improving global multilateral cooperation aligning both the recovery of our economies and priorities of our societies for the great reset to succeed. We have to change the way we do business and manage health nature, the environment and societal issues at the same time. Isn't that what you wanted to toward you're looking for. Wasn't it exactly word for word this? Yeah Yeah despite the unprecedented impact in global spread. There was little cooperation between twenty countries in Minne- aspects. It was every man for himself when buying ventilators, facemask, tasks and more. As healthcare for governments is a domestic issue. Countries didn't explore multi-lateral joint approaches to the solution Oh. My Gosh, forget Obamacare! Could we have global care? Let's hope that this wasn't a litmus test for the other cross-border crisis like climate change. Only vehicle liberation with countries. Can we address such issues? The virus hit when many countries around the globe already demonstrating nationalistic sympathies by looking for their interests I often driven by the feeling of several who experienced or felt left out of the benefits of globalization. However withdrawing behind the dikes, his not the solution. So all of you America First People. Stop hiding behind the dyke There's nothing to fear here. Globalism is coming in. It's good. We know that the world will spend trillions of dollars on repairing our economies from this disaster through debt relief programs are really going to relieve debt income, support, programs, fiscal stimuli and other interventions. It would be a wasted opportunity than only to focus on a restart as we have a fundamental issue in our society, our economy, our environment, our society. They need to be addressed as well. We should have more ambition than go back to the pre cova days. Part of these trillions has got to go to reset and reform our societies instead of simply restart now, of course that doesn't mean that no money should be sent spent on a restart. If we can't partly get back to normal, we won't have the income streams to make any reforms, but there are three areas that are key i. what do you think the first one is still? That's key. Come on. Come on? I mean there's so many key elements They're spending more money. There's only three. There's more control from the government centrally I think is really an important thing, maybe higher. Listen No, you're. Right on you gender. INEQUALITY INEQUALITY, billions of people around the world in many countries have benefited from globalization, but not all the people in all countries, and not all countries either globalization brought prosperity and further inequality at the same moment Doodo unemployment, we risk increased inequality within countries hitting the weakest the hardest. There's also a risk of inequality growing between countries. Despite much progress, the developing world can be hit harder by covid nineteen, then the developed world and later horror, more limited access to vaccines would exasperate this problem. For Economic, response we can find inspiration in the Marshall Plan which would develop by the United States nearly seventy five years ago in the wake of World War Two not as a favor to Europe, but to help the continent recover after they together with the Canadians and British liberated Europe. We can learn from the leadership shown in that period and will create multi-lateralism after all the United Nations was founded for this. There's something similar we in. In the West can now do for developing countries especially in Africa increase resilience help the recovery insurer. People have an economic future who we must invest now. These investments not aid should be directed towards increasing self sufficiency through improved food systems bla-bla-bla, the second is climate change. We should be careful. We don't postponed the actions to combat climate change unlike covid nineteen, who he can't say in a few years that we didn't see climate change coming. The Paris, treaty has demonstrated that at least we were aware this critical question now is how we can take more faster action with more emphasis on sustainability and circularity. The Jala circulator, then the third one and you're gonNA love this one. A change in capitalism. What the focus should shift from short term profit, only two longer term incorporating value creation for people and the planet moving from shareholder value to stakeholder value. With the economy in a recession, it is tempting to look to short-term profits by declaring cash is king and postponing investments that applies to both countries and companies. However, it would be wise if countries would spend on rebuilding the economy and investing in new technologies to stimulate the fourth industrial revolution investing in a better future long term, investments are needed from companies to, and it requires leadership in guts as there will be many temptations to focus on the short term, our longer term economic strategy should remain anchored in addressing the sustainable development goals. Oh that's agenda. Twenty one and we should not lose sight of those. Oh Man, this is great, so what we're going to do is instead of just going back and getting back into work and doing the things that we do best not now. We're going to have a global governance that wants to take care of these three things. They're going to take care of of. Inequality making sure everybody is equal. Then, they're gonNA take care of climate change and reinvent capitalism. This fantastic! This meeting happens, January twenty, twenty one. And they are already working on the plans. on what they're gonNA. Do and wait until you hear who's there because everybody's there. Oh, Donald, trump's not there, but everybody else is there. The world is moving on without US gang. I say bye bye. Have Fun storm the castle. I'm not going with you. More on this in sixty seconds. Pretty much everybody these days on a cell phone with a plan. These plans frequently expensive and a lot of time. Some of the money you're spending goes to support leftist causes like you know abortion or the sixteen nineteen project would not be great. How every time I was on the cellphone. I could destroy my children and their future. Patriot mobile begs to differ with that model. They share your values unlike a lot of the big carriers. They don't donate money to leftist causes like planned parenthood. In fact, they donate a portion of their profits to conservative causes, and you're going to get a reasonable price with Patriot mobile. 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Jason Gimme more of the details of this economic forum that you that you know now. You know the World Economic Forum. I always pay attention to them. Because some of the craziest stuff comes out of there. He talked you just talked about the fourth industrial revolution there actually one of the only ones that are talking about that and you've talked about that a little bit yourself Glenn about how there's going to be massive job loss. Once all this you know, the technology revolution comes in. and. They're some of the only people that are talking about it, but the problem is when you talk about it and when they talk about it, there's two completely different motives for instance in his great reset. They mentioned the The fourth industrial revolution because part of their plan is to digitize everything to get more government and private corporation control linked together, and when you hear that things that we've been talking about over the past couple of months. When we talked about event to one. And that was like their war game for you know a virus. And they used corona virus, and like a month later the coronavirus head that was completely separate from each other, but the point is, they were game planning these things because they want to fundamentally change economic, the economic global economic governance they WANNA completely change it. They want more government control over private corporations and I. Just it. It's not being presented as control. It's being presented as partnership, a Public Private Partnership, which is the definition of fascism. Right right. And when you hear the especially when you hear their leader Klaus, Schwab, talk about it. If you're not really paying attention, you're just listening to the bullet points you don't hear all the little things, but I've been reading through their in depth reports, and even those aren't really in depth, because there are leaving out the ultimate are taking control, they leave that part out of it, but when you read between the lines, this stuff sounds incredibly scary. So when I first heard him talk about this. What piqued my interest and got me looking into it more as he goes, this might be too ISD idealistic, but we have to try and I was like Oh. Wait a minute and he goes in. Always like a boarding spy using your. Let's take a step back. Something like that. We may have to kill a few people to get it done, but that's okay. Dog He goes more indepth than how they're going to do this. So the first step is they talk about redefining the social contract. Now they specifically slam. I thought this was interesting. Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher and they said you know what in the time of self, reliance is over big government is back acts that big, but they said government is back. They were talking about less self reliance more government, global government control actually said government is back. Reagan and Thatcher are of the past. They go on the about the green economy now when you when you make fun of people like It's fun of her because she's got a doorknob or were, brain should be, but there's people behind her pushing. It's very obvious. Obviously, there's actual influential people that are behind this. The green economy is something. They're really pushing. cal farts are not just funny. These are the things they're using to push this global co corporate control. Again they talked about digitizing everything. They want everything digital. They want all all records digitized everything digital. Modifying capitalism was the shareholder of a stakeholder economy. That's Kinda hard understand, but what from what I've seen is they're looking at a model of capitalism. Were industry focuses on social, good and not just corporate good. Again that's. The. No, no, no, it's! It's really not I like to call their capitalism. Communism. Or Fascism because what it is, they say don't concentrate on the shareholders. The stakeholders will who are the stakeholders. The stakeholders are the people who work there you know and the the people in the community. Those are the stakeholders, so there is no real. private property as we as we know, there are no private businesses as we know it, and it'll be great because. Well Gosh Darn it. You'RE GONNA be able to You're going to be able to not worry about your business or your bills anymore. I mean this is. This is why they have taken out all of the entrepreneurs. And quite honestly if you took the P P, P I completely understand but one of my fears on the P. P P was. It's going to enslave you to the government somehow or another. They're going to use that to say well now. We were there for you. I mean you don't have to pay back, but. Gosh darn it I mean you really should abide by these kinds of things I'm a little concerned about the the P P and I'm a wildly concerned. If the Democrats get in. This is what we saw in. Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg on this. This is a global effort, which is why it was a global effort to impeach Donald. Trump Donald Trump I. believe is the only guy in the world that is going to stand up against this. That's why he has to get out of. Of Washington, they won't take it any other way. Absolutely agree and one of the for the people at the center, one of the people that Directs Center of getting rid of Donald Trump and a lot of the deep state action was Susan. Rice and LO and behold. That's one of the first things that I read this morning. was that Susan Rice was at the very top for the, Vice President Pick? All these were involved right back into government. That what they hip isn't a few months. Yes. Yes, well, Bill Bar might change that he's going to testify today, and apparently he's GonNa to have some rock and things to say Jason. We'll have you back. an hour three to cover that with us as well as provide commentary coming up. Is the Glenn Beck Program. All right summer's here. We're all just trying to look our best. As the masks slowly. Come off if you've been struggling with your jaw line. Maybe you have a bit of the old Turkey neck. Even trying to get get rid of now might just be the perfect time for you. The genucel summer blowout sale is going on right now. When you order the classic genucel for bags and puffiness and the jaw line Treatment Chamonix is going to double your supply of both products for free. If your jaw line, could you know I don't know maybe a little bit of tender, loving care. Look no further. Shami has got you covered results are. Are Guaranteed so. 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Neighborhood is essentially been turned into a war zone. His name is Gabriel Johnson. He's lived in Essex House apartments in downtown Portland for seven years. He said. I've loved until now, but I compare it to a war zone, and people will take that and say Jeez exaggerating, but Johnson said no I'm not the sounds of fireworks in Flashbang are overwhelming. The tear gas is really bad. He said I know what a war zone is like because I. Am A military veteran been to war zones. Portland is a war zone elisas. Schaefer is there he is the blaze TV host of slightly offensive, and you really only offensive. If you buy into the new politics, which means Oh. You will be liquidated Elijah Welcome to the program you were you were in Portland. You're in. DC now welcome. Thank you so much glen for. Sure okay so tell me. Give me. Some evidence that the press is is not covering the things that are true. And that it's not just you know right wing media that is making this up. Yeah well. What's really interesting in this three? Really Important Facts about how this information is being transferred about this event, and it goes like this Antesa and other far-left extremist groups have approved lists of press. That's considered a Amtrak fascist friendly. Those press members oftentimes instead of marketing themselves as press, write their names on their vast including one individual named are. That allows the new antifascists ANTIFA deal. Protesters clearly no okay. That is a journalist that is not going to necessarily so senior. US. They have this through. Shock people and has an entire sake. Press Department, which we can get into in a moment and number three. The mainstream media happens to. Present. when? Their protests are peaceful and even when the riots begin if they're they're almost looks like the cameras only role. In the direction of the aggression of the Fed's not showing the altercations that lead up to their aggression. Okay, so who are the press? Do you know who the press is? That is approved by ANTIFA. You'RE YOU'RE I? Mean I'm not gonNA. I'M NOT GONNA Docs people by name, but they have like shield. Pediatrics the have Nazi watched. They have a lot of different accounts on twitter. Pretty much. All of this runs through twitter and a few different websites online, and you know how these people they appear to be mean these people have upwards of one hundred, thirty, four, hundred thirty five thousand followers get retreated reposted by New York Times Washington Post but they're openly sympathetic to. I mean it's to the point where where I can't even reveal myself to them because I'm confident that those people will reveal my identity back to Kifah, and that's so weird. Y, would you not put? Why would you put either press on your badge? If you want people, know your press or you put nothing if you want to stay incognito, but why would you put your name on your vest like your actual last name? For any other reason, in fact that okay that person we know there. We weren't attack them because they're on our team. Okay, so they have now a press room or a? What did you call it? I call at the station and she attract core. To what they've done was a court. Order is really really tricky. The shows you how manipulative. Media really has become. What did you is use things like the for instance have this. They call the wall of MOMS. where? They have all these MOMS. MOMS come together. And they block the protesters or rioters from the feds now. What's really interesting is with that. People say well. Yeah, it's a wall of on just good people I don't know what mom with children is able to be up at two in the morning. Throwing tear gas canisters back at federal agents and doesn't isn't busy, too. Hong. Would you have this? Kind of sometimes some nasty people, they also bring in Dad's leaf blower. Now they have veterans always looking for these token people to take the hits so that the press makes it look like like the H.. S. agents aren't targeting who who's really doing the damage which are Antifa, which are extremist, but. Certainly now ever since a quarter was tasked with legal observers and press immunity meaning that the just cannot fire apart or arrest or interfere at press, they are now marketing themselves and teeth. I'm Martin themselves as trust. They will even openly admit when you confront them. They're marketing themselves slot. We as journalists, which no one does on the field, and they stand in front of writers to so that that do just cannot fire shots at them while they hurl fireworks and Flashbang. Molotov cocktails, and most importantly, they'll get into a mob, and they'll go start screaming at the. Were Press, First Amendment immunity a new rush, and then do chest starts throwing flashbang. Shooting at them, and then what does the press? Dear US fires upon the press, but they're not depressed. They are anti-fascist. Extremists otherwise known as Kifah, faking his press putting all of us real press endanger and manipulating the media who are lazily not doing their job in identifying these people who they are, they're ANTESA. Is there. Are they even holding up the pretense anymore? That is about black lives matter. That is a good. Question Glenn. I'll tell you what I don't know I don't know how much black lives matter to them. Considering that days stabbed up black trump supporter I saw. I was there and a white a white. And teeth are black block who's been convicted on child? inappropriate imaging, owning inappropriate images of children I'll put it that for the radio listeners Stabbed at black trump supporter and I've watched a black trump. I've watched another black man. jumped there and beat. I've seen I've seen white ANTIFA There's a black people that I've seen telling. This is not how to do it, but they're not. Their voices don't matter, and I've I've seen that. All black lives matter rallies and. Different riots is that the only black lives matter are the black people they can put in the front to justify their crimes against humanity, their crimes against the federal. Government, crimes. Essentially in their chaos and so no is not about black lives house during paint on federal officers throwing last night for the first time. We actually not volatile cocktails bombs. They're putting their improvised explosive devices like war there escalating this. Is a complete organization and I'll tell you this. I. Don't know WHO's behind this. People say Soros, people say it's Ted Wheeler maybe city council. But there's collusion at the highest level. There was a flash protests that that alpert apart that garnered between six to ten thousand people. And Glenn. went to go march back from North Portland into the main city. The main bridge to get this city if people don't other large river. There's conveniently no cars the area. There were no cars on the bridge, but there were no police presence. There was no there was nobody around blocking. Somehow in highly highly populated dense city, like Portland on one of the major bridges, which includes a railway to traffic. Six Ten thousand people. You know random protest and I barely found out a couple of hours before. We're able to track over river. We got any traffic or interference. There is collusion from the highest levels in the city down to individuals to stage events that I'm confident are continuing to force trump's hand to put federal agents furthered further outside of the courthouse. Restrict police from getting involved, and they make allocation allow more and more protested writers to get in so that trump's. Officers are forced to push large crowds further and further away from Goldie so that they can call him a fascist, and this is a political move and Ted Wheeler than they are is using his citizens as cannon fodder, and he's manipulating them when their political leaning as victims, or I should say as tokens victims for the media, and it is so sad to see. A mayor abused his power. and not keep his citizens safe in order to. They hate him to make the president look bad. I hate. They WANNA kill. They want to hear me dead. They talk about killing him and they argue early chant very. Aggressive things that I cannot mention here, but he that's why he, but he doesn't care like he is. So I am this is not speculation I. have watched dafter day as the Portland police get less and less power jurisdiction, and that forces federal agents to move further and further I mean within five seconds I counted twelve projectiles that landed upon to. Agents behind Senses Glenn, I'm an for a man. I don't have kids, but had to you and your listeners. And I'll be completely honest. If you're a man on, even if you're under federal orders, you will not sit by and put your life in jeopardy while extremists terrorist attack you, it's not about federal property at a certain point of the night. It becomes men and women, protecting their life from death and from harm, and when people are throwing explosives when people are throwing hard objects and Nice at you. You are not going to just sit around, and they have to come out of the courthouse. It becomes a moment of desperation for their own livelihood it for their own ability to make it to the next day and if they go out into the street. Some time after twelve. Conveniently what happens, I catch footage of a woman getting arrested. But what does the new? York Post after all of this happens after a Molotov cocktail after explosives happen, and they have to come out and make arrests. What do they post from all of my footage from the night? It's one selectively edited clip of the water and saying I cannot. Please hurting me. Getting arrested with a title that says federal agents put me on the back of a protest or arresting her screaming. I can't breathe. It is a disinformation manipulation campaign. Between the medium fake media, the rioters and The government and one one of the organizers from the event screamed this and I'll end with this. He screamed out and daily caller got my back to confirm this. He said scribes that t h S. this is a propaganda game and were winning, and it is a propaganda game and I'm telling you what unfortunately they are winning. All right hang on just a second, because I want to come back, and just to have you answer one question. People think that this is going away after the election or that. If Biden wins, it will go away. I think this has just begun. It's going to be worse in November and worse in December and January and March especially if Joe. Biden winds, but I'd like to get your opinion on. That will go go back to Elijah Schaefer here in just a minute. You can find him at a blaze, TV dot, com, and all of this stuff on the blaze all right. Wayne lives in Kansas Rugby player there for twenty years didn't even know you know they played rugby in in Kansas, but you know not up on these things. But Wayne began to experience pain in both his back, and his kicking foot, and it started out only as little at first, but gradually got worse, more frequent, and at that point he thought. I'm never going to feel normal again well. Thankfully, that's when Wayne discovered relief factor literally within days of starting to take it. Wha- Wayne's felt the pain began to recede. It was eventually gone now week or so later the painting his foot went. went away amazing lease able to get his life back. 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No matter who is elected, would you agree or disagree? I would I would have to say that I absolutely agree. I think that people who are manipulative in power once you find. People who you can manipulate and you can use to your political advantage. I, think that people remain a useful asset and especially. And this is unfortunate statement especially when those people are willing to commit terrorism and use violence in the name of whatever 'cause you can manipulate them to fight for. I think those people aren't asset. unlike any other an and sadly to say. Citizen the Portland. Often very much ignorant, local echo chambers and extremism learned in universities in the Pacific northwest are exactly those people. Well I will tell you this and we've only got about forty seconds here, but this is exactly what happened in in Germany with the Brown shirts, and eventually the Brown shirts weren't afraid of the the party thought they were the real power, and Hitler had to kill all of them. He used them, and then he killed all of them Do you think the Democrats? They believe they can control them. Do you think that they can control these people? Absolutely with Jerry, Nadler saying the other day. to a commentator Austin Fletcher that ANTESA is a mess. But in fact, the resurgence or even the first emergence of Antifa was Joe Twenty protests in DC. back around trump's inauguration. When can happen and deny there existed? He Acts Amazing neither today to keep them in the future. All right, thank you so much allies. Please stay safe and keep up the good work Elijah Schaefer. You can follow him at Elijah Shafer. On twitter or find him at the blaze. The Glenn Beck Program. You've heard me talk about my Tacoma's boots and how much I love him and what a great company! They come from a small business. That's doing things the right way down here in Texas. We'll given the challenges that we're going through. As a country to Covas has asked me to speak about something else. 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Jefferson and it was it was on the most controversial thing of his day If you wanted to question religion, it would be like questioning black lives, matter or social justice today literally you'd be blacklisted just like you are now. Well. He said. When it comes to religion, above all things fixed reason firmly in her seat. And Question With boldness, even the very existence of God four. If there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear the thing we don't have now is bold people. Who are willing to ask honest questions, not people who are trying to win the argument for one side or the other. Just give me the facts as you understand them. So today I been so perplexed by this mask. Thing because you're either getting. You're either wearing a Nazi mask to prove the point that this is taking all of our control away or your pepper spraying people for not wearing a mask, can, can we? Can we please just? Can we just calm down just a little bit and talk about the pros and cons of the mask, and then what's making us feel this way? This has been the hardest thing. I wanted to do this show last week. Just as a you know a quick, toss away just to give you the stats on the mask. Finding people that would be willing to go on the air and say what they really believe about masks, both kind of throw and kind of con-. was almost impossible. Almost impossible doctors are afraid to speak out one way or another. This isn't helpful if we all want to be well. The next thirty minutes you'll hear both sides of the mask controversy. And you decide. In one minute. Is. Glenn Beck Program. All right Let me tell you about rough Greens. If you love your dog. I'm sorry, simply simply safe. Okay, thank you Sarah simply safe This one is really really important. 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We're not asking her to say something controversial anything. She's just so afraid that she will lose her license because she'll say the things that she believes. This is insanity insanity. My doctor wrote me a prescription for Laura Quinn and or hydroxy, caloric win, and a couple of other things for covid which we have in the family. He said he was worried about losing his license. What is happening to US this is insanity? Now. We have Dr Scott Janssen Jensen on the phone. He is from Minnesota. He's a state senator up there. And I don't WanNa. Talk about politics on any of this. I just want to hear about the facts about wearing a mask. There is no reason we are killing each other over wearing of a mask it either works, or it doesn't so Dr Scott Janssen is on with us now. Dr, how are you? Good Glenn and thank you for having me. Sure We have some another doctor who is probably going to disagree with you. On next, but I want you to build the case of why people should or should not wear a mask. What is happening here? What's The science say? Well let me take one. Step back and make certain that I do A. And say that I am not a material science engineer and. Vice, and I'm not trying to spread misinformation because I've been investigated by more medical practice because I was willing to compare cove in nineteen influenza analysis, reckless advice and I was willing to discuss how we do DESERTEC. Guessing that was spreading misinformation, but the good news is I learned late yesterday afternoon that the board of medical practice in Minnesota has dismissed those charges, so they're gone and I'm very great for that. But I understand that you want to talk. And I think that if we would have talked about this a couple of months ago, we might as well. There's the science of masks and there's the emotions of masks but enforcing. There's something in between because I would have thought that the science of masks would have to do with the physics of masks, and so I did a video about a month, or so ago where I talked about the pore size of a cotton master surgical mask, and if you have a triple ply mask and the poor size, end up being a effectively five microns in five microns to a cove in Nineteen virus particle is fifty times larger, and that's approximately the same differential between the two inch. separation between the wires, ANA, chain link fence and that so if you have fifty nats, they could squeeze into a chain link fence, and you could have fifty cove. Nineteen viral particles squeezed into that five micron poor, so I thought that would serve lay up the science, but it's not because now what we're saying well, if we have some collision of Covid, nineteen viral particles with the lattice work of any mask. Wouldn't that be a good thing and I think that's intuitive that if you're breathing out or breathing in and viral particles collide with the actual lattice work of a mask. I think intuitively. Yes. I think we can reduce the amount of viral. Particles that's going back and forth. June, Twelfth Dr Mike Obstacle. put out a video mass and he was very clear that he thought they had very little effect, and the damaging effect might be that people would low themselves into thinking that they're protected when in fact they're not. Running the other day and target and I watched this little kid. Chick knows rub. His is his stick his fingers in his mouth, and then he's taken his mask off, and his parents are giving him hassle I thought. This is nuts, so I really don't think Glen that we're going to be able to walk this back. The science of masks will not be the determining factor. I think the emotion and the desperation, and the deep seated desire to do something to make sure we're not killing. Grandma does taken over the discussion. So. Let's just talk about different kinds of masks and ninety five masks. Are they the best? Was An excellent question. The governor of Minnesota put out an edict on last Thursday that masks were mandatory in public places inside and. Out took place Saturday three days ago in it. The executive order actually identifies the N. ninety five mask with an exhaust valve on the front of it is not an acceptable mask and many and ninety five mass have that exhaust bill, and all that means is that you are going to filter the air that you breathe in, but the air that you breathe out is not at all. It just blows right on through so that kind of ninety. Three takes care of the wearer, but not the other, and that is a pretty good because that filters point, three micron particles, and so that's pretty effective, but the other two mass don't have anywhere near that capacity. Well. The the problem is is that. You don't see anybody with an N. ninety five mask. What you're seeing now are these masks that people are making themselves out of cotton and. That I mean that's nowhere near and ninety five mask. Nowhere near at all, I mean the gaps at the top underneath. Your is actually I had a patient in the other day wearing and ninety five mass, and the poor guy didn't realize that you're supposed to put the upper margin of ninety five mess underneath your eyeglasses. He added arresting on top of his actual lenses. Yeah, great big chasms were viral particles that people need to remember. Airflow goes where there's least resistance so it. There's an opening that's where all the air flow is going to go. I mean we know that from physics, but it was interesting. I my first three patients today one ad- ca- emphysema the other one had. Congestive heart failure and the next one had emphysema. Every one of them complained bitterly about the shortness of breath. They're having with their mask so. I think that what we're going to see is. We've got this movement right now. That masks are something that we can do that. We can take action. Fair enough, okay? But, we are going to see unintended consequences. We're going to see the risk of what happens. When you breathe in and out your own viral particles, your bacteria, the normally you exile, and they would be gone from me now. You're keeping them in this cup and then to get to your point about this kerchiefs and the things people are wearing. They become increasingly. Liberalized in the sense that they wouldn't even be called a mask I mean it's a scarf and a lot of people pulled up and put down their noses always sticking out. Now become a badge like you said if you don't wear it. Maybe you'll get pepper sprayed if you do wear. You're complying with the state. Edict. The you deal you talked about the people that are in your practice that came in. There is a sign that we saw. Do we have a picture of this sign that we saw of a place a restaurant that said even if you have a disability, you have to wear a mask here well. I mean if you do have problems I mean I wouldn't go there. I mean the obvious answer is don't go there, but if more and more people have this. Disability of being able to breathe or not breathe because of a mask if this becomes an edict or spreads. That's really bad for some people. Is it not? You're absolutely right. It's terrible. I'm looking at this one patient's chart. In the late seventies, congestive heart failure. She goes probably once a month to try to get groceries. She tries to wear a mask. When I walked into the office or blood, pressure is one hundred and ninety over seventy. My Gosh well. You Issue I. Just don't breathe very well with this masks. We'll take the mask on. I needed to take the mask off anyway because I wanted to examiner, throw fairbanks and her nose in this kind of thing anyway. Ten minutes later I took your blood pressure was down to one fifty eight over sixty. This is happening all the time. This is what we do when we overreact and do these knee-jerk reflexes and take this cookie cutter approach. We're always. Compelled to find out in the roads. The unintended consequences I think that's a Robert Redfield from CDC came out within the last few days and acknowledged that the. Increase in drug overdoses and suicide. Is No longer postulated it is now affect they seeing the data at the CDC. Well I've been telling people. This is happening. There is more than just the cove nineteen. We had another case story. An article just came up where some cardiologists are seeing forty percent, less heart, attacks and strokes than what they've been seeing over the trailing three year average. What what is the likelihood that we would have a drop in twenty twenty? A forty percent it's, it's extremely small. What it probably means is that these cases of if you will stroke heart attack congestive heart failure. They're not coming in. Or they're being misdiagnosed as cove, nineteen deaths or covid nineteen discharge summaries, there are unintended consequences which will not stop now. Having said that Glen. I don't think this is a sword I. WanNa die on I, mean there's so much more that we need to understand and as a policymaker in the Senate. I want to talk about how damaging lockdowns are and how important it is to get kids back in school and I'm afraid the. Question is sucking the oxygen out of the room. Yeah I. Just can't take the fact that we're just meeting each other over the head over this mask thing we just had to take the politics out of it and then and deal with the science on it Dr. thank you so much. I appreciate everything you're doing and and being willing to speak out Dr Scott Johnson We go to Dr George Rutherford in just a second. He's kind of on the other side. Not Really I mean I don't think Dr. Johnson was against masks. He just says let's let's look at this rationally so we're GONNA. Go to a doctor Rutherford here in just a second standby i. let me Tell You about Ray con-. You know some days I just get up and I. Just want to run baby. Just get on that treadmill just you know I've got I've work. You don't get a body like this without working, but you you what I don't think you're speaking the words you want to speak. Right now, okay yellow. That's what they told me to say. So okay I'll tell you I'll tell you what it look. I work hard on my body, and it's not easy to eat the amounts of ice cream that I eat running on the treadmill shirts. What the cool kids are doing, but you know if you're doing anything from running to eating a gallon of ice cream, in a sitting well, maybe half gallon. Yeah, half, Gallon! He it might make sense to pop a pair of ear buds into your ears. And if you do that, you want to give a recon ear buds. 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I want to put all politics aside and just talk about the science of masks, and if if an N. ninety five mask is the right one to wear. Does it make it? Does it make a difference if you're making your own mask? Why should we wear masks stock? I, thanks for having me on I. Hadn't realized your comedian I'm still laughing about the by after work to get a body like this, I mean. Yes, you may. Running down my face right now but So masks her Massacre very important that they're basically what's going to get us out to? The other side of this story can get vaccine. are they more effective than than having everybody stay in their house forever. No, but we can't do that, right? That's not a viable option. Sorry, you know, let's let's talk about the benefits of of so. There's a large science behind this There is I. Think some of the most compelling stuff is from outbreaks that have or have it happened. and we can get into all the engineering and you know sort of fancy kind of. And filtering and all those sorts of things. But there are, there are at least a couple of things I think there are worthwhile bringing out that your listeners may not a furtive. One is right after springfield. Missouri reopened. This is in in June. Late may early June and I apologized for those who are in the know because. I'm going to sound like my mother talking about hairdressers and beauty parlours. There were there to to hairdressers both of whom are symptomatic. who work nine shifts and in a beauty parlor and had a hundred and thirty nine clients the beauty parlor. required customers to wear masks and required the. the hairdressers to wear to wear masks. so. Hundred and thirty nine people. The both are both hairdressers were symptomatic. They had masks on the customers had masks on their zero transmissions. another is Think it's. It's one of the other things that I think that's emerging about masks aside from their ability to stock transmission. Is it of cases do occur. People are getting infected and this is still a bit hypothetical, but I'll give you some of the evidence for it. People are getting infected with lower doses and having less severe. Disease, there was an outbreak in a seafood package packing plant in Newport Oregon. where people were wearing wearing masks. And Ninety five percent of the people who became infected We're a symptomatic, had no symptoms being that they probably which probably as a consequence of having a lower dose similarly, if you. Say So cruise cruise ship things you know. When people have Mastodon, they're more likely. Some disease. Okay so let me take a break I have to. I have to. I have to take a quick break because I. Have a network. I have to take, but then when he come back I. WanNa ask you then about. which masks and is it just a feel good thing to make your own mask and and wear it. And why we are so divided on, this will come back in just a minute. The Glenn Beck Program. Okay my pillow. 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I don't know how effective it is, and that's why we were having a conversation between a couple of doctors today and we're going to join a third. That is talking about masks whether or not they're effective in the way we're doing it and ninety five masks make sense to me. They made sense to me when they were telling us that mask. Don't make a difference I saw. That is a way for everybody to stop buying mass, so you get enough at the hospital because it seemed to work at the hospital. But. The masks that for instance that I wear that. My wife is made in so many people are making. Is this just the you kind of the last Hurrah of masks? Does it do anything we'RE TALKING TO We're talking to Dr George Rutherford Epidemiology Professor at UCSF. Do those handmade cotton masks? Make any difference or a scarf around your face. Yeah as long as you put it over your nose, it makes a difference that you know. People wear these underneath their nose like there's some you know. Some some you know half-baked Bank robber. That doesn't work. You're you create you? Inhale and exhale through your nose, so we're trying to three things. We're first of all we're trying to protect. The people around you. In case you're one of the forty percent of people to sixty percent of people who have symptomatic infection and don't know. The second thing we're trying to do is to protect you and the third thing we're trying to do is if. If you get infected that you'll get detected a lower dose and are less likely to develop severe symptoms, or that's the three her here. Dr Question one study that I thought was pretty interesting on the mass. Thing was about the US. Theodore Roosevelt that outbreak. And it seemed to me to show two things one that the masks or the most effective safety precaution out of all the different options including the social distancing, and all the other things hand washing sanitizer all of that, however on the other hand, it also showed they were nowhere near universally effective. is I did it first of all? Did I get that that right? And secondly I think there's a problem with the media messaging on that in that they're trying to make it seem like if you wear masks year done and people may very well not take other safety precautions because they think the mask is the end all be all. Well plus you're on a warship and it's you know there's social distancing as a you know is impossible. Yeah, you know you go past people in tight quarters and tight corridors. It's you know there's no way there's no way the other things that the mask. They're using her or plenty uncomfortable and you know I think people took them off quite a bit. There's some new technology that's being. SRA bandied about right. Right now that I've seen for much more wearable mass defeatable can wear for longer periods of time actually things like Straw holes through them seek and drink and not have to take it off when you're on the flight deck operations, but you know the you asked to earlier about and ninety five and ninety five or great as long as you have one that does not have an exhaust Alabama it having exhaust bell. On it which are these little kind of bows on the side or in the front? Those basically let out unfiltered air so while you protected yourself. If you're one of the people say symptomatically infected, you're not protecting anyone else so if you're getting ninety five two things. One is make sure you get one without a bowel. and the second thing is If you're really serious about, it needs to be fit tested, and by tested somebody holds up some noxious smelling chemical. And, you can't smell it. That's that's what fit testing consistent, and if you have a beard or you know that sort of. You know so elegant. Miami Vice Stubble You're not going to be able to the your mask isn't gonNA fit tightly ended up to really to provide provide that much higher level of protection in general, reserved and ninety five Sir hospital ICU Emergency Department. EMT police those kinds of situations. one more really dumb one for me Dr they. They say all the time because amassed the show. These videos online where you're just speaking normally, and there's all sorts of droplets you have no idea that are going out, which is really disgusting, and then they show the masks is much is very effective form of source control right? You're not spitting these droplets out as you speak all the time. Would they never talk about though is. What if I go to the grocery store and aren't constantly running my mouth to every single person I pass by. Like I, my wife does that all the time I go into the grocery store and pick things up and I go online it if you're not speaking are. Are you in as far as a source control situation, are you a danger of spreading? All sorts of droplets of all you're doing is breathing through your mouth. Yes, but less so i. mean what your breath looks like in the wintertime when you're outdoors. Right, that's that's what we're talking about. I I'm with you, I don't talk to anybody in the grocery store just. Handle I. If you if you talk and there's only one gallon of the ice cream that you like. It's gone. It's gone so yeah. Maybe Gone Hey Dr. this has been kind of a scary. A, venture for you and I hope that has proven to be the exact opposite of what you were afraid of I we have to stop. Making everything into a religion. And just talk science and have honest questions, and and not try to win. Just try to find out what the truth is and I. Appreciate you coming on you so much. My pleasure. You Bet, so let me go to one more one more doctor, and that is Dr Carlin Borissenko. She's and organisational psychologists. She's you know a Forbes contributor etcetera etcetera. She's now part of our Our our circle of friends I ask her to look into because I think stu weren't both doctors pretty much saying the same thing. Yeah closer than you would have thought I. Mean they definitely had some agreement on on on certain things, but generally speaking, they're saying they're somewhat effective but you still you know they're not universally effective. Exactly right so so Carlin wary is this I'm going to spray you with pepper spray if you're not wearing one. Outside. Where is this coming from? Well I think. I to take a step back I to do a disclaimer and say I am not a medical doctor. I am not speaking on the effectiveness of mass, but one of the. Has Been Very. For me about the whole mask thing and I said this was going to happen back in. March is it's. It's dehumanizing to people we're. We're literally stop. We're not seeing each other as human beings when we're in this pro mask versus anti masturbate now in some respects that makes sense because the way our brain evolved are survival mechanism whether or not we're frayed that we're going to die. Is the number one thing that we will? Will make decisions on, and if we are afraid that we're going to die or be put in some sort of danger, that's going to kick off our fight or flight mechanism. Which essentially is you know either you're going to fight the situation aggressively. which is what we see when we're seeing people pepper spray one. Another out in public would make could just easily socially distance walk around separate themselves, not worrying math instead. They're fighting. Fighting, it aggressively, which is the fight mechanism of that the other option to the courts to run away in the other direction to flee from what you think is going to attack you, but you know what is striking about this for me. Glen because the last time I spoke with you, we talked about you know white fragility, and all of that and one of the things that I actually think is so interesting about. About what's going on with the mask because it actually mirrors what they talk about in white fragility, which is if someone is saying that I don't feel comfortable wearing a mask for whatever reason whether it's simply an emotional thing, or it's actually a medical reason that they don't WanNa. Wear a mask. That is an individual decision whereas you know what what they are doing, weight fragility is that individualism is bad. White people are. Individuals and that somehow bad and I almost feel as though it's become so politicized because the two issues have become incredibly inflated. If you look at how people are speaking about these online, you're going to see that people who are pro mask usually tend to be more on the left. People who are anti math tend to be though not exclusively more on. On the right, and and I think that it's really it's Kinda like this perfect storm of nonsense that has descended onto the issue of math. Whereas what we could be doing is exactly you just did have a medical discussion where you're hearing from both sides about the business of it and approach the situation much more calmly than it's being approached right now. It's everything. Is this this idea that the science is settled? And if you don't agree with your somehow or another an enemy of all mankind, the science clearly is not settled. The science seems to be leaning in the direction. That mask is better than nothing but I don't think anybody is taking into account. The effects that the media has had on politicizing absolutely everything. By blaming everybody, who is as ever voted Republican into office as a bad guy and everybody like Cuomo. Who is a Democrat is a savior Neither one of those is true. They have told us different things. The science continues to change on this. And for the very first time we are expected to not respond or not have an opinion and I think that is the symbol. The mask is the symbol of the feeling of powerlessness that. That I've got a virtue signal when you don't know what the hell you're even talking about because I think most people. Would wear the mask. And it just be fine with it. If, they can do their part some, won't I get it But if it wasn't for this politicisation of all of this if it wasn't that? You are somehow or another a horrible human being. It becomes almost a badge of honor to not wear the mask just as much on the left as it does to wear the mask. yeah I absolutely agree in another part of this, too, is that there are legitimate medical reasons why people might not want to wear a mask whether that has to do with a medical condition where they may struggle to breathe in or a psychological condition like if they struggled from depression, or anxiety, or claustrophobia could be absolute reasons why a mask is not the best choice, and you know in a civilized society. We would say well if you can wear masks. Because there are people who can't, but that's not what's happening. We're seeing people who are very legitimate reasons, and by the way organization stores businesses. They are not allowed to ask what the medical reasons are. That's your private information and we're seeing these people be turned away or shunned I. Mean I look at the case that happened to brandon struck from the walkaway campaign probably about a month ago is he got kicked off an American Airlines flight for not wearing a mask and. Created this whole, whole blue, and I actually talked to him later in the day, and he said Carlin they didn't even ask me if I had any sort of medical condition, so we'd reached the point where the benefit of the doubt is just not given at in these scenarios, and instantly the person who would not wearing the mask is demonized. Yeah. Karl thank you so much We'll talk again Carlin, Sankoh. And and What she has to say I think is is so very valuable. I know pat doesn't wear a mask and the reason why pat doesn't wear a mask is because he has severe claustrophobia severe claustrophobia. He can't do it. Doesn't I mean Jeez? He doesn't wear socks. He hates wearing shoes. He can't wear a watch. He is claustrophobic like to the. So what happens to him? Does he just get pepper sprayed? All right. 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They're thinking about impeaching bar now. Bar Apparently has some explosive things. He's going to be He's going to be revealing here in just a few minutes or giving preview to will give you that and so much more this hour. Including something that has been entirely banned from the Internet. Everyone has taken down. We don't believe in the Suppression of Free Speech. So today we have everything that has been taken down, and we are putting it behind the pay wall so you you can see it for yourself, and you can decide about masks in hydroxy, chloroquine and everything else. We will get into that as well all this hour. We begin in sixty seconds. So Kurt Road. Any says I love. Shea secret I can shave quickly and easily with no cuts. I'm not gonNA use anything else ever again. shave. Secret is the best shave ever? It's an essential oil that comes in a very small bottle. Once you once you shave with it. You throw a couple of drops of shaving product on your on your hands. 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Can we bring up the audio so just so here it? In the background he is, he's been right, but we're not going to be held. He's being brought in because of. The investigation that he is doing They now say he has absolutely no credibility and he's just upon era puppet for Donald this this has been delayed because Jerry. Nadler had an accident on the way in nobody was hurt. He wasn't driving so they had to delay it but here's a guy at the head of the committee. That that says that that ANTIFA or ANTIFA is a hoax is not even real. Talking to William Bar. he's about to start here in a second jason any thoughts going in and what we should be watching for. I think the Democrats are gonNA. Come pretty strong on criticizing Operation Legend that's the operation that the trump administration was using to to employ federal law enforcement and to some of these cities like. PORTLAND, Seattle places like that where they just out of control and the Democrats refused to act They're going to criticize him on that. Their argument is going to be that. It's just a political stunt for Donald Trump's campaign and you'll. You'll see this theme. Go throughout the entire time while the Democrats talking because they want to go to paint bar as a political operative in the attorney general's Position everything you're doing. which I have never seen such theater in my life Okay Goes Adler This is of the community anytime. We we, welcome. Everyone to this morning's hearing on oversight of the Department of Justice. I Apologize. For beginning the hearing late as many of you know I was in a minor. Car Accident. On the way in this morning. Everyone is fine. Except perhaps the car. But it did cause significant delay. I thank the Attorney General in the members. For their patients and their flexibility and We will now begin, but before we begin I want to acknowledge. I went to note that we are joined. This morning by the Distinguished Majority Leader, the gentlemen from Maryland Mr Wire leader Hoyer has long recognized the need for vigorous congressional oversight of the executive branch. Under both parties, and we appreciate his presence today as we question the Attorney General. Before we begin I would like to remind members that we have established an email address and distribution list. Dedicated to circulating exhibits, motions, or other materials materials that members might want to offer as part of our hearing today. If you would like to submit materials, please send them to the email address that has been previously distributed to your offices, and we will circulate the materials to members and staff. As quickly as we can, I would also remind all members. The guidance from the Office of attending physician say that face coverings are required for meetings in an enclosed space such as this committee hearing, I expect all members on both sides of the aisle to wear a mask except when you are speaking I will now recognize myself for an opening statement. Thank you for being here. Mr Bar. According to the Congressional Research Service this is the first time you of appeared before the House Judiciary, committee. Both during your first ten years. Attorney General Thirty. Years ago. And during your current service in the trump administration welcome. One hundred fifty years ago last month in the aftermath of the civil war congress, created the Department of Justice. We did so with two missions in mind. I, we wanted to replace a system of party spoils with a core of professional government attorneys. Yes. These attorneys would be supervised by the Attorney General. And yes, the attorney general would remain a political appointee, but it's hard. The department would rely on a foundation of professionals dedicated to the impartial administration of the law and the unbiased system of justice. Said Eric Holder established the Department of Justice to enforce the nation's first civil rights laws after the civil war. From that moment on, it became army and I'm GonNa break because we can hear him talk all day long. We've already heard it. He's on CNN. He has a room to to chat. I'm going to do a commercial here because I don't want to interrupt Bob. Barr if if if we if we don't have to. Let me tell you about our sponsor. It is gold line if you are not paying attention to what is happening to gold and the dollar right now. The dollar took another hit. Gold is up over two thousand dollars now. Silver has doubled in price. I think it's twenty five dollars an ounce now for silver. If you can't afford gold, try silver. But. 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Just look on now like you've got to be kidding me. I have to answer these quests. The department has amplified the president conspiracy theories the issue. Is that far from you good? He's not like crazy guy who's thrown out. He is really solid, and and this is. This is easy to him. Jerry Nadler's not a challenge to national security and the department's professional staff in the process. Fifth! Again and again you personally have interfered with ongoing criminal investigations to protect. and his allies from the consequences of their actions. When career investigators and prosecutors resisted, these brazen unprecedented actions. You replace them with less qualified staff who appear to be singularly beholden to you. The message these action send is clear in this Justice Department. The president's enemies will be punished. And his friends will be protected. No. Matter the cost. No matter. The cost of this assist insane. They always accused people love. They do this. President's political, and this is a terrible strategy. Their strategy is try to make Bob Barr the issue. Of Appeal sorry I was the same. Mistake. To make fill bar the issue terrible strategy that is not a good idea you're. You're tacking. One of the most solid members of that of the administration you know and try to make him into a political issue. He is going to be able to answer these questions. It's a bad electoral move for them, I think. In the hands of president trump. Department of Justice that adopts a dangerously expansive view of executive power, and demonstrates a willingness to shield him from accountability, representing the specially to liberty, if he go after black lives, matter and t FAW, and all of those things, because the average American does believe that these things are out of control, the rule of law depends on there being an attorney general who will not allow the president to do whatever he wants with the Justice Department. William bars views of presidential power are so radically mistaken that he is simply the wrong man at the wrong time to be Attorney General United States. Love Gas Guy. Of leadership comes at great cost. This administration has twisted the Department of Justice into a shadow of its former self capable of serving most Americans only after it has I search. Noah what was the first thing you? Start Typing and Jerry Nadler's name. Correct Jerry Nadler's pants responsibility to ensure because he wears. Ridiculously high so high, yeah! People are interested in when we're talking about Jerry Nadler now what he says just as pants today. We want to give you a chance to respond to are. Interested. In and we hope. I'm not do so. Have you ever thought about this? Because they look like they're a Burmese pythons swallowing him from the legs I. And they're up to. Right. I now recognize the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, the gentleman from Ohio Mr Jordan for his opening statement spying. That one word. That's why they're after you Mr. Attorney, General. Fifteen months ago, April tenth two thousand nineteen in a Senate hearing. You said this quote, I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. Spying on a political campaign is a big deal it sure is. And, since that day since that day. When you had the courage just as the truth, they attack you. They've been attacking you every since every day every week. For simply stating the truth that the Obama Biden. Administration spied on the trump campaign one year ago, New York Times Headline said this one year ago. Quote FBI. Senate investigators posing as assistant to meet with trump aide and two thousand sixteen. The FBI sent a young lady who used the name as return to meet Papadopoulos in September twenty sixteen. They sent someone. Pretending to be someone else to meet a person associated with the trump campaign. You know what they call that. You know what they call that. Spying one month later, October twenty sixteen. They use the dossier town. Carter page. The salacious unverified dossier Jim Coney's words, not mine. They took it to the Fisa court didn't tell the courts of the Clintons paid for. It didn't tell the court. The Guy who wrote the document Christopher Steele had already communicated to the Justice Department that he was quote desperate to stop trump from getting elected. And? Guess what there we're fifteen more lies that they told the court. Seventeen and total there outlined by the inspector, general each and every one of them in his four hundred page report, but guess what. Chairman natto refuses to allow Mr Horowitz to come here and testified an answer. Our questions about the seventeen lies the Obama Biden. Administration told to the secret court. The Obama Biden DOJ opened the investigation. July us the secret agent lady to spy on Papadopoulos August. They lied to the Fisa court in September, and they did all this without any basis for launching investigation to begin with. How do we know that? How do we know there was no basis they told us. Now they didn't want to tell us, but thanks to Rick Grenell who released the transcripts of their testimony. We now know there was no basis for them to start the investigation in the first place Sally. H Roads Samantha Power Susan. Rice Susan Rice says, call intelligence I would consider evidence of a conspiracy. How about James Clapper I never saw any direct evidence that the trump campaign or someone in it was conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election. Say That again? I never saw evidence that the trump campaign was conspiring and yet they investigate him. There was never a proper predicate. So why they do it. There was no reason why they do it. They told us that to Peter. Struck August twenty sixteen ask is trump gonNA win. What's his response? Remember this is Peter Struck. This guy who ran the investigation. No, no, he's not wall. Stop it! August, Peter Struck says we'll stop trump. September spy on. Papadopoulos October they used the fake dossier delight of the court, but guess what happens in November. Guess what happens in November November eight, th two thousand sixteen. The American people getting their way. Sixty three million of them to be exact, not now everything changes now. The real focus is wow, wait a minute. We didn't stop him, he won. Now what are they have to do? They have to do the cover up. And who do they have to go? After whose target number one in their cover up the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the guy who's about to become national security advisor to the President of the United States Michael Flynn. They can't have him hanging around. 'cause he'll figure it out, so they decide to go. After Michael Flynn three-star general served our country for over three decades, and we know they went after him, because they told us that to bill precept head of counterintelligence. At the FBI the day they interview Flynn, January twenty, four, twenty, seventeen, his notes. Say What? What's our goal to get Flynn to live, so we can prosecute him or to get him fired. Think about what the Obama Biden Doj what their administration did. In the last month the last month they were in power January fourth. The agents investigating Flynn want to drop the case. Komi tells them no January. Fifty had the now famous meeting in the oval. Office Obama Bide Rice Komi. All of them are in there. They're plotting their strategy how they're going to get Flynn January six. Komi goes up to trump tower briefs president-elect trump. On the dossier that they already know was false just so they can leak it to the press, and the press will right the story that briefed President on the dossier, and then of course, January twenty four th the day they go set up Michael Flynn. Set Up Michael Flynn in his interview. Guess what else they did guess what else they did between election day and inauguration day. That two months, I'm guess what else they did. Thirty eight people forty. Nine Times Unmasked Michael Flynn's name. Komi Clapper Brennan. Biden seven people at the Treasury Department. Unmasked Michael Flynn's name for goodness. Sake. And of Course Flynn Resigns on February Thirteenth Flynn Resigns on February thirteenth now the cover up is complete. Flynn's gone everything's fine. They think until may ninth. Twenty seventeen when president trump fires Jim, call me. Now they've got a problem again. The Guy who was going to keep it all quiet? He's been fired now. How do they continue to cover up real simple Jim Komi leaks is memos with the express purpose of getting a special counsel appointed to investigate something they already know is not true. And that's exactly what happened. We get two years one thousand nine hundred forty ages, five hundred wins, twenty hundreds of ended thirty million cost to the taxpayer, and they come back with nothing absolutely nothing. And so all they got left. is to attack the attorney general who had the courage to state truce? Right from the get go the first time he testifies after he's confirmed. You guys attacking every day every week. And now you filed articles of impeachment against him. It's ridiculous. He had the courage to do what no one else would do at the Justice Department. Sally Yates wouldn't call it spying. Jeff sessions wouldn't do it Rod Rosenstein wouldn't do it. Chris Weight Ratios Heck isn't going to do it. So Mr Turn I want to thank you. For having the courage to call it what it was spying I'm going to thank you for having the courage to say we're GONNA. Get the politics out of the Department of Justice. That was there in the previous administration. And maybe most importantly, we're GONNA. Talk about this in our side one questioning. I want to thank you for defending law enforcement. For pointing out, what a crazy idea! This defunding police! Policy whatever you WANNA call, it is. An standing up for the rule of law and Franklin. We have video we want to show. That gets right to this point. We played that video. Okay. That is the opening statement from Jim? Jordan. I thought an excellent statement. GonNa, pause his testimony. It should be another three four minutes away, but we don't want you to miss any of it. Bill bars testimony in front of the House. Who to impeach him? Coming up in a second yeah. It's still is the new normal in Washington. Is the Glenn Beck Program. So I WANNA. 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Lean well, let's Let's take the swearing in and the beginning of his testing sector. Attorney General Bar received as a being Ma from Columbia. University and a J D from George Washington University School of law. We welcomed the Attorney General, and we thank him for participating today now. If you would please rise, begin by swearing you in. You raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony we're about to give shoe incorrect to the best of your knowledge, information and belief help you God. Let the record show the witnesses answered in the affirmative. Thank you and please be seated. Please note that your written statement will be entered into the record in its entirety accordingly I. Ask that you summarize your testimony in five minutes to help you stay within that time. There was a timing light on your table when the light switches from. One Minute to conclude your testimony. When you start! Five minutes have expired Mr. Bar you may begin. Good Morning Chairman ranking member Jordan. Pleased to be here this morning. On behalf of the Department of Justice I, WanNa, pay my respects to your colleague Congressman John, Lewis and indomitable champion of civil rights and the rule of law. I think it is especially important to today. That he pursued his caused passionately and successfully with unwavering commitment to nonviolence. As I said my confirmation hearing the Attorney General has a unique obligation. He holds entrust the fair and impartial administration of Justice. Must ensure that there is one standard of justice applies to everyone equally, and the criminal cases are handled evenhandedly based on the law and the facts and with. Without regard to political or Considerations and I can tell you that I've handled criminal matters that have come to me for decision. In this way, the president has not attempted to interfere in these decisions on the contrary. He has told me from the start that he expects me to exercise my independent judgement to make whatever call I think is right, and that is precisely what I've done. Indeed is precisely because I feel complete freedom to do what I think is right. That induced me to serve once again as attorney general. As you just said Mr, chairman I served as attorney general under President George. H W Bush, and after that I spent many years in the corporate world I'm almost seventy years old, I was almost seventy years old him while being happily into retirement. I had nothing to prove, and I had no desire to return to government. Had No prior relationship with president trump. Let me. Turn briefly to the several pressing issues of the day. The horrible killing of George Floyd Minneapolis understandably. Jar The whole country and force us to reflect longstanding issues in the nation. Those issues obviously relate to the relationship between law enforcement and the African, American community. Keeping our history, it's understandable that among black Americans, there's some ambivalence and often distrust stored the police until just last fifty years ago. Or so our laws were institute and institutions were explicitly racist, explicitly discriminatory. It was not until the sixties that the civil rights movement finally succeeded in tearing down the Jim, Crow Edifice our laws finally came to formally embodied the guarantee of equal protection, and since then the work of securing civil rights has rightly focused on reforming institutions to ensure they better conform to our laws into our aspirations. That work it's important to acknowledge has been increasingly successful. Police today are far more diverse than they've ever been. And there are both more black police chiefs and more black officers in the ranks, well, though the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police was a shocking event. The fact is that these events are fortunately quite rare. According to statistics compiled by The Washington Post the number of unarmed black men killed by police so far this year is eight. The number of on armed white men killed by police over the same period of time is eleven. and. The overall numbers of police shootings have been decreasing. Nevertheless every instance of excessive force is unacceptable and must be addressed appropriately through legal process, as is happening now in Minneapolis, but apart from the numbers I think these events strike a deep chord in the black community because they are. Perceived as stations deeper, lingering concern that it encounters with police, blacks will not be treated even-handedly. They were not be given the benefit of the doubt. It'll be treated with greater suspicion Senator Tim Scott has recounted the numerous times. He's been justifiable, pulled over on Capitol Hill, and is one prominent black professional in Washington said to me African Americans. Often field treated as suspects. I citizens second and I think these concerns are legitimate at. The same time I think it would be an oversimplification to treat. The problem is rooted in some deep seated racism, generally infecting our police departments. It seems far more likely that the problem stems from a complex mix of factors which can be addressed with focused attention over time and we in law enforcement must be conscious of the concerns and ensure that we do not have two systems of justice. Unfortunately. Some have chosen to respond to George Floyd's death, and far less productive way by demonizing the police, promoting slogans like all cops are. And making grossly irresponsible program up proposals to fund the police, the demonization of the police, not only unfair and inconsistent with principals. All people should be treated. Individuals put gravely injurious to me her city communities. When communities turned on and pillory the police officers naturally become more risk averse and crime rates so. Unfortunately, we are seeing that now. In many our cities, the threat to black lives post by crime on the streets, massively greater than any threat posed by police misconduct. The leading cause of death for young black males is homicide. Every year. Approximately seventy five hundred black Americans are victims of homicide mass, vast majority of them around ninety percent or killed by other blacks mainly by gunfire. Each of those lives matter. Is For this reason that in selected cities where there has been an upsurge in violent crime, we are stepping up bolstering the activities of our joint anti-crime task force. Friendly I wanted to address a different breakdown in the rule of law that we've witnessed over the past two months in the wake of George, Floyd's death, vile violent rioters and anarchists have hijacked legitimate protests to wreak senseless havoc and destruction on innocent victims. The current situation in Portland is telling example every night for the past two months Amar of hundreds of rioters have laid siege to the federal. Court, House and other nearby federal property. The writers have come equipped for fight. Armed with powerful slingshots, tasers, hammers, saws, knives, rifles, and explosive devices inside the courthouse are relatively small number of federal law. Enforcement personnel charged with defense. WHO The defensive mission. To protect the Court House, what unfolds nightly around the courthouse cannot reasonably be called protests. It is by any objective measure, an assault on the government of the United States. has elected officials of the federal government every member of this committee, regardless of your political views or your feelings about the trump administration station should condemn violence against federal officers and the destruction of federal property. Thank you MR chairman. And I appreciate your. Listening for me, the areas of concern in your opening statement and I'm looking forward to addressing them all. So. He is now going to go through the questions I think a long form view of this which if Jason is still on anything, surprising there or any big bombshells there I don't think Do you know no, no, I the going. What's do earlier about this dump for them to attack them and I think that shows how desperate they truly are there at the bottom of the barrel, because they are absolutely terrified, they're terrified of about to come out I. The coup than the cover up and Jim Jordan I was like I. was I was up in my chair at that moment just cheering him on because everything he laid out exactly why bar sitting in that chair right now. Let. Yet is and we'll see if it does come out it. It has to come out at this point, but we'll see. How does I doubt it? Will all of it today? But some of it may spill out, and we'll have a digestive this on radio program and don't forget. There's a couple of things. Silence equals death, but now they're silencing people for all of reasons. Yesterday there was a group of. Of Doctors. America's frontline doctors that went on facebook and twitter and Youtube and they made a viral video and it has been completely scrubbed. I ever even seen the video. I tried to watch it this morning and it was gone. I, don't know if. I agree with with it or not I don't like the fact that videos are being scrubbed. And they have scrubbed this one. You can't find it anywhere. We have reached out and we have gotten the video and we have it now behind the Pay Wall at blaze TV. We have one of the doctors is going to be on our program tomorrow night on Wednesday. which is all about how media attacking trump is put our children in danger. It is a special deadly lies and one of those doctors that has been silenced everywhere is going to be joining us tomorrow night. You don't WanNa miss it only on blaze TV. If you are a subscriber, you can watch that I think it's already up. If not, it'll be up an hour, so. But you'll be able to watch that if you're not a subscriber, join us go to blaze. TV DOT COM Slash Glenn. Use the Promo Code Glenn Ge, and N and you'll save ten percent on your first year of subscribing to blaze TV a lot going on today more in just a minute. So, how often have you walked through the back door from the deck and your shoulders there sloppier faces a little overcast. Your wife looks at you and says was that the grill again? Honey and you burst into tears in your lazy boy. I dried tra-. Every, time I used to cook thing I would. Just black smoke would be the thing that Ed the neighbors are. Go Oakland's cooking again. there's a bunch of reasons to get a really great Gill, a grill but your peace of mind, not racking good food, and not feeling dislike. Your complete worthless guy in front of the grill is is just a couple of them that come to mind for me. 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The government's run by Lizard people although I think you could make a case for that. That's our most scientifically based claiming by. You! And and what happened is this thing has been taken off of the Internet and you can't find it anywhere. which most people have not seen it, so they won't be able to judge for themselves I. Think the. The only speech that needs protection is the speech that we don't like and I think you know the the the one doctor at least kind of speaks for herself literally and maybe a few other, maybe four other people that believe Lizard people are living here but. Well I forgot Alex Jones so maybe five people that that I agree with her on that This is the wrong move and there are credible doctors in this group. She's just not one not leave it up and just discredit the entire bunch by justice crediting her. The only other choice is not about just telling the truth in lending people decide on their own. It's just how are you going to try and destroy not in today's world right not in today's world. That's what we're doing. Let let's listen to them as individuals and see if any of them have a good point and some of them really do. She's just not one of them is just one of those people. People that just thinks you should have these things out there and pick them a pardon. Better idea will win over time you know to to act as if twitter should should micromanage the medical information that comes out in this country is fiercely insane like that's obviously a terrible setup, and it's not twitter's fault they shouldn't be. They should have that responsibility. Fortunately, the media keeps pressuring them to do these things and they keep. They, keep falling for it. It's a stupid standard. Well, we are. We're letting you decide. We trust you to figure it out. And that's why we did our on masks. Today had both sides on. You have to decide. 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August 1, 2020: U.S. strikes another coronavirus vaccine deal

5 Things

09:09 min | 1 year ago

August 1, 2020: U.S. strikes another coronavirus vaccine deal

"Five things is brought to you by Ziprecruiter, hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go where hiring is simple and smart that place is ziprecruiter. We're growing businesses connect to qualified candidates. Try It for free at Ziprecruiter. Dot Com slash five things ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire. Good Morning I'm Taylor Wilson, and this is five things you need to know Saturday the first of August twenty here are some of the top headlines President Donald Trump is threatening to ban Tiktok from the US amid growing tensions with Beijing trump said, he could use emergency economic powers or an executive order to ban the Chinese owned company Joe Course are naive. The only surviving Boston Marathon bomber has had his death sentence overturned by a federal appeals court in Massachusetts a new trial has been ordered and will only decide whether. He will be executed or spend the rest of his life in prison release at any time will not be considered and bill mack a country music songwriter and the famed midnight cowboy radio broadcaster has died. He was eighty eight. A reminder were always on twitter at USA. Today podcast there you can stay up on all things, five things and join the conversation with fellow listeners plus if you let us know your thoughts, you might be featured right here on the pod that's at USA Today podcast on twitter now onto the show. The US federal government has inked another deal to develop a corona virus vaccine. This one with French pharmaceutical company Sanofi and Britain's GlaxoSmithKline. The deal is worth up to two point one billion dollars to test and produce one hundred million doses of an experimental vaccine speaking on Capitol, Hill? Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Friday that he remains optimistic about widespread access for a vaccine in the US. Once it becomes available I, believe ultimately over a period of time and twenty twenty one if we have and I think we will have a safe and effective. Vaccine that Americans will be able to get it. I. Don't think that will have everybody getting immediately in the beginning it probably will be phased in, and that's reason why we have the committees to do the prioritization of who should get it first. But ultimately within a reasonable period of time the plans now allow any American who needs a vaccine to get it within the year two thousand and I. Think the American public should be assured that in the process of determining the safety and efficacy, the proper steps have been taken to determine that. Vaccine, becomes available. It's important for their own health and for the health of the country to take that vaccine. Meanwhile study at a children's Hospital in Chicago found that children younger than five years old with moderate to mild code nineteen had high amounts of corona virus in their nose and throat compared with older children and adults while children often don't show symptoms from covid nineteen, the data suggests that they can potentially be important drivers towards spreading the virus. But scientists say that more virus doesn't necessarily mean more transmission, Dr George Rutherford Head of infectious disease and global epidemiology. San Francisco said that young children still appear to be less likely to transmit get infected and be symptomatic more than six hundred, seventy, seven thousand people have died around the world from covid nineteen including more than one, hundred, fifty, three, thousand in the US. Lawmakers continue to work on a fifth round of stimulus relief during the pandemic but different sides of the congressional political. I'll along with the White House are at odds on specifics of the latest relief Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Friday that the GOP. does not understand the severity of the situation Publican said they wanted to take a pause while the virus didn't since then sixty five over sixty, five, thousand Americans have died. Three hundred thousand stuff huge number of Americans have a three million Americans since then have become infected. So, much for the pause and now the beginning of this week Republicans in the Senate came back with piecemeal approach. Clearly they and perhaps the White House do not understand the gravity of the situation. The White House though is blaming Democrats on Capitol Hill for holding up a Bill White House chief of Staff Mark Meadows. At the president's direction we have made no less than four different offers to Democrats on Capitol Hill on how we can make sure that the enhanced unemployment that is set to expire today along with eviction protection that is set to expire as well is protected and those four different offers have been. actually. rejected. But more importantly than that they've not even been countered with a proposal. So the Democrats are certainly willing today to allow some of the. American citizens who are struggling the most under this. Pandemic. To go unprotected a Democrats believe that they have. All the cards on their side, and they're willing to play those cards at the expense of those that are hurting the democratic led House passed the three point four, trillion dollar Heroes Act and the Republican controlled Senate countered with a one point one, trillion dollar heels act that has yet to pass the. Chamber. Lieutenant Colonel, Alexander Vitamin officially retires on Saturday on July eighth day after he submitted his retirement request then men released a statement citing bullying intimidation and retaliation from the White House for his decision to retire he provided a critical testimony during the impeachment inquiry against President, Donald Trump was inappropriate. It was improper for the president. To. Request. To demand. An investigation. into a political opponent opponent. Especially at foreign power where there's A. Best. Dubious. Belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation trump later publicly criticized of inman while I'm not happy with you supposed to be happy with it, I'm not been men is a veteran of the Iraq war and a purple heart recipient. The National Hurricane Center says that Hurricane SIS is expected to move over or near the Central Bahamas sometimes Saturday morning before moving near the East Coast of Florida on Saturday afternoon and into Sunday some models show the eye of the storm coming ashore or brushing the coast. But earlier forecasts that said SIS could become a category two hurricane have been revised. It's now expected to be a category one by the time it approaches Fordham with winds as high as ninety miles an hour. Welcome back hockey. The NHL begins its special edition postseason on Saturday a twenty fourteen tournament. At two Canadian. Hubs, Edmonton and Toronto teams will play a best of five qualification round series before the playoffs began somewhat as normal. The puck drops at noon eastern time nine am Pacific with the New York Rangers and Carolina. Hurricanes on Saturday. 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Full Episode: Friday, March 12, 2021

World News This Week

23:03 min | 6 months ago

Full Episode: Friday, March 12, 2021

"From abc news world news this week. I'm chuck sivertsen in new york. Coming up is never ever a good bet to bet against the american people. America's coming back one year later but there's hope make all adults people eighteen in of eligible to be vaccinated. No later than may one on this about the as our to twenty the nays are two eleven partisan vote but the checks on the way as adopter fallout. After harry and meghan tell all interview and cheer fool reunions people and events that made headlines when world news this week continues one year this week marked one year. Since the world health organization declared the covid nineteen global pandemic. And since then we've all been dealing with the aftermath lockdowns school closings working from home. Shuttered businesses lost jobs canceled celebrations and an unfathomable death-toll have dominated these past twelve months. But this week some promising milepost on the road to recovery the number of fully vaccinated people surpassing the number of cases in the us. At least one. In four americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine vaccination supplies ramping up and the centers for disease control and prevention outlining guidelines. What fully vaccinated americans can do this week. President biden and a white house address urging states to open up vaccine eligibility val direct allstate's tribes and territories to make all adults people eighteen and over eligible to be vaccinated than may one abc's with johnson has an overview one year ago the announcement of a global pandemic. This is what dr anthony found. She told congress and the american people that day. So i can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now bottom line. It's going to get worse. Worse than most could imagine more than five hundred thirty thousand american lives lost to covid nineteen but now signs of hope on the horizon a decline in the number of cova cases deaths and hospitalizations recently appeared to stall but the numbers falling again more than ten percent of the country is fully vaccinated the biden administration promising enough doses for all american adults by the end of man and the president announcing another one hundred million doses of the johnson johnson vaccine giving the country a massive surplus preparing for the next chapter on the one year. Mark a new. Psa from four former presidents and first ladies urging americans to get vaccinated important far fellow citizens and begin to much damage. It will protect you. And those you love from this dangerous and deadly disease or new york city. The original epicenter in the us. A year later with the highest case average per capita this week higher than any other place in the country troubling variants up one percent of those new cases and now a new study adds to growing evidence. The uk very could also be deadlier still twenty states moving to lift restrictions in the last two weeks oklahoma to drop its remaining mask requirement texas after lifting. Its statewide mask. Mandate suing the city of for keeping the mask rule in place but health officials urging restraint but despite caution from health officials the cdc's guidelines for fully vaccinated. Americans are allowing for some big first steps. Abc's andrew denver has more americans eager to restart their lives inch closer to normalcy. The cdc issuing new guidelines for people who are fully vaccinated suggesting americans who have received the full dose if covid nineteen vaccines can get together indoors in small groups with family and friends without masks or social distancing. They say if grandparents are fully vaccinated they can visit an even hug family members who aren't vaccinated as long as no one is high risk. The cdc is still advising against travel. Abc sherry preston breaks down the guidelines with one health expert. Cdc says fully vaccinated people can visit with other fully vaccinated people and healthy unvaccinated people as well however doctors are still warning against unnecessary travel for now infectious disease expert dr yvonne maldonado with more on why we are still concerned about variants that may be occurring around the world and we don't want to bring those home we already have enough here and we want to keep the transmission down as low as possible when you're out in public the guidelines still hold. Keep the masks on and socially distance again to keep transmission as low lowest possible sherry preston. Abc news abc's. George stephanopoulos talked to white house chief medical adviser. Dr anthony fauci this week about vaccine. Roll out the threat of the variants and opening up too quickly. Are we going to fast. Well the concern have George is that if you look historically in the past when we have had base lines that have been pretty high. We're now have about fifty to sixty thousand new infections every day. That's a pretty high baseline when you have that. And you want to start pulling back towards normality which we should be doing. It is much better to do that. Gradually and prudently instead of just saying okay. All bets are off. Do what you wanna do. You've got to really be careful that you might trigger another surge. We're have enough vaccine for every adult american by may. What's the biggest obstacle to actually getting those vaccines administer. The one of them is vaccine. Hesitancy we wanna make sure that people who have concerned about it that we are ticu to them. Why it's so important for them. Their families and the community in general to get vaccinated. Because you want to get the overwhelming majority of people vaccinated the logistics of getting it into people's arms being addressed i think quite adequately with the community vaccine centres with increased doses in pharmacies with the mobile units that are going out with the mobilization of vaccinators people for example like retired physicians and nurses and health care providers. Could we get could be encouraged. More people to get the vaccine. If we emphasized the positive side. I mean there's been some criticism of the cdc for not allowing people who've had the vaccine to travel right. You you have a good point georgia and went to cdc. We'll be doing what they came out with when they were talking about in the home of vaccinated person with the vaccinated person or vaccinated and unvaccinated. Well non-risk person that's the first in the installment of a number of recommendations which will be rolling out really quite imminently. One after the other see you will be seeing now guidelines from the cdc talking about just the things that you mentioned variants the big wild card right now but are they turning out to be less dangerous than we feared. Well you know you always gotta take them seriously. One of the one of the positive aspects of it. George is that for example the one one seven of variant the one that was predominant in england that is now becoming more and more dominant in the united states. The vaccines that. We're distributing right. Now do quite well against them. There are others that not so good. But they're not the dominant ones. We wanna keep our eye on them. Take them seriously. But i don't think they necessarily have to be a show. Stop the more people. We vaccinated the more quickly. We vaccinate them the less chance you give a very entity. Cold the president remembering those. We lost yet looking ahead in his speech this week. Abc's andy field says. President biden predicted. If all goes well with vaccinations that americans could be celebrating. The fourth of july in small unmasked settings the president removing all restrictions. On who can receive a vaccine two months from now. That doesn't mean everyone's going to have that shot immediately but it means you be able to get line. Beginning may one. Mr biden urging americans to stop arguing over masks and restrictions and keep them in place to everyone has a vaccine where we not only mark our independence as a nation would begin to mark our independence from this virus. Andy field. abc news washington. But as abc's alec stone reports. Some health officials in california are hoping they can open up eligibility in time. Healthcare providers here in california are hopeful but a bit skeptical. Being that vaccine supplies here remain unpredictable and highly limited california's struggling to get its forty million residents vaccinated. Dr george rutherford is an epidemiologist at uc san francisco. He says the hope is that a flow of vaccine is coming soon when the president makes Makes promises like that. I think that means that the supply will follow but for now vaccine eligibility here in california remains limited alex stone. Abc news los angeles. The president also championing unity in his address saying the new covid bill that was signed into law. This week will help to turn things around. It's never ever a good bet to bet against the american people. America's coming back. Bill passed without any republican support. Still there were cheers on the house floor when the vote tally was announced as our to twenty. The nays are two eleven. the motion is adopted. Abc's mary bruce has more on what's in the bill and wyatt divided lawmakers president biden signing one of the largest economic rescue packages in our nation's history rushing much needed relief to millions of americans with the stroke of a pen relation is about rebuilding the backbone of this country and giving people in this nation. Working people middle class folks. People built the country fighting chance. The one point nine trillion dollar law will give most americans fourteen hundred dollar checks extend unemployment benefits through early september at three hundred dollars. A week provide funding for vaccinations and testing help for small businesses and billions of dollars in housing assistance. It's biden's first major legislative achievement. The president and vice president cheering. The house pushed it over the finish line. It passed without a single republican vote. Gop lawmakers saying it's just too expensive but while republicans in washington. Don't back the new law. It is widely popular with the public just this week. A pew polls showing seventy percent of americans support it including ninety four percent of democrats and forty one percent of republicans republicans also critical of the white house. This week on its immigration response as more migrants. Come to the. Us mexico border. More from abc's faith booby house. Minority leader kevin mccarthy faulting the biden administration for a surge of migrant children at the us border and going as far as blaming the migrants for covid cases. They're in jail like sales. The number of migrants who have tested positive for corona virus after being released by the border patrol in texas has nearly doubled. The white house is facing mounting pressure from both sides of the political aisle to address the ungoing influx of migrant children which has tripled in the last two weeks. Faith abu bay. Abc news washington white house press secretary jen psaki calling it a crisis. Our focus here is on Getting to the root of the issues taking actions and we don't feel the need to play games with what it's called. Maybe jim ryan ryan has more on one. Texas lawmaker who says resources are being stretched too thin border patrol policy dictates that unaccompanied minors be turned over to health and human services within seventy two hours of their apprehension at the border but with a severe shortage of housing for a new influx of young immigrants. That's become almost impossible el paso congresswoman veronica escobar. Says they've gotta keep moving those children into the the homes and the arms of their sponsors the covid nineteen pandemic has further strained. The space available for migrants in custody jim ryan. Abc news. also this week growing calls for new york governor andrew cuomo to resign this after more allegations of misconduct or levied against him more from. Abc's stephanie ramos. Embattled new york governor andrew cuomo facing his most damaging accusation yet the albany times union reporting an aide alleges cuomo groped her in the governor's mansion late last year. She is the six woman to accuse him of inappropriate behavior. The paper reports. She made her claim after cuomo declared this. And want you to know this from me directly. I never touched anyone inappropriately that denial reportedly prompted the aid young woman who was not identified to tell a coworker that cuomo had summoned her to the governor's mansion to help with his cell phone and wild. They were alone. He reached under her shirt. Cuomo calls the allegation gut wrenching. But insists he's never done anything like this. The matter has been referred to the albany police and growing chorus of new york. Democrats is calling on the governor to resign in a statement more than fifty five state democratic lawmakers now demanding cuomo's stepped down saying he has lost the confidence of the public and the state legislature rendering him ineffective. In this time of most urgent need and abc's aaron katersky says congressional democrats from new york are adding to the chorus several members of new. York's congressional delegation including jerry nadler in alexandria ocasio cortez called on governor cuomo to resign the repeated accusations and the manner in which he has responded to them. Nadler said made it impossible for cuomo to continue to govern a cossio. Cortez said she was concerned. About the present safety and wellbeing of the administration staff. The state assembly has okayed and impeachment investigation but cuomo's so far has resisted calls for his ouster. That's prince william answering a question from a reporter about his family this weekend. An interview oprah did with prince harry and meghan markle aired on. Cbs the accused the palace of racism toward their son and callous behavior toward megan's mental health. Abc's james longman has the details bombshell revelations from the duke and duchess of sussex sitting down with oprah accusing the palace of racism inside its walls. The duchess alleging that it was not her. All harry who didn't want to have a royal title but the institution itself and that the baby would not be provided with security. You certainly must have had some conversations with harry about it and have your own suspicions as to why. They didn't want to make archie a prince. Do you think it's because of his race. And i know that's a loaded question but i can give you an honest answer in those months when i was pregnant all around this same time so we have in tandem. The conversation of he won't be given security talking going to be given a title and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born. What and who. Who is having that conversation with you. What so There is a conversation to hold it. Hold up there. Are several conversations a conversation with you with harry about how dark your baby is going to be potentially and what that would mean or look like fools and you're not gonna tell me who had the conversation i think that would be very damaging to them. No harry revealing who allegedly made those comments or family members or staff. What was that conversation but conversation. I'm going to share But at the time. Was chris shocks Can you tell us what the question was. I'm not comfortable sharing that. But that was the beginning right. Like what will the baby look like. The kids like megan also revealing that while she was several months pregnant. She had thoughts of suicide. You'd said in a podcast that it became almost unsurvivable. Almost unsurvivable sounds like there was a breaking point. Yeah there was. I just didn't see a solution. I would sit up at night. And i realized that it was all happening just because i was breathing and i just didn't i just didn't want to be alive anymore. And that was a very clear and real and frightening constant thought. She says she sought help from senior staff within the palace. But left empty-handed buckingham palace did released a statement saying that. The issues raised in the interview. Were concerning and that harry. Megan and archie will always be much loved family members. Abc's tom rivers. Says the fallout has swept up a british. Tv host who is known for his criticism of meghan markle british television host piers. Morgan quit the good morning britain program this week. After making contentious comments about meghan. Markle following her bombshell interview about the royal family as the journalist broadcaster sees it a believe in freedom of speech. I believe in the right to Be allowed to have an opinion if people want to believe megamall entirely their rights. I don't believe almost anything that comes out of mouth. And i think the damage she's done to the british monarchy and to the queen at a time when prince. Philip is lying. Hospital is enormous and frankly contemptible spite now having left his high profile. Well paid job. He remains unbowed. If i have to fall on my sword for expressing an honestly held opinion about meghan markle and that diatribe of bilge. She came out with an introduced so the post interview polling years shows. The british people are divided on backing meghan or the royal family. Tom rivers abc news london. Also this week jury selection began in the trial of the former minneapolis. Police officer from the death of george floyd derek chauvin seen on video kneeling on floyd's neck faces an additional murder charge more from abc's mark remillard. Prosecutors had wanted to reinstate the third degree murder charge after it was removed by the judge. Peter kay hill but after an appeals court ruled he should reconsider and the state supreme court declined to weigh in k. Hill has now granted the prosecution's request. I think the defense has been aware that the state will take every opportunity to try and add it back murder in the third degree degrees reinstated. This could be significant as it gives prosecutors another avenue to potentially get a conviction again chauvin who still faces second degree murder and second degree manslaughter charges as well. Mark remillard. abc news. The city of minneapolis will pay a twenty seven million dollars settlement coming up soon a long time coming when world news. This week continues. Staying informed has never been more important. Information is coming at us faster than ever. So how do you make sense of. It'll start here. hey. I'm brad milkey from abc news. In every weekday we will break down the latest headlines in just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible always solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app type. The reduction of basic human interaction one of the many things. We've all had to deal with this past year. Kobe has rendered the simple act of hugging risky but for many families who have been fully vaccinated that basic is coming back more from. Abc's david muir more than a year into this with grandparents across this country getting fully vaccinated the hugs finally beginning in ford city. Pennsylvania nanna jeans. Follow has not seen her three-year-old grandson tracks for months. Mom kelsey documenting the moment the long-awaited hug running into his grandmother's arms. Here in new york in the bronx grandmother. Evelyn shaw fully vaccinated and her doctor writing her prescription. Saying you were allowed to hug your granddaughter. They have not hugged a year and in palmetto florida. The common dory family van granddad sescha in grandmother virginia with their family. I as ing grandkids of the such a long time back in pennsylvania. I gave a bomb kelsey some tracks gene together again. We really hope that everybody. That's watch the video. Maybe brought you a smile to your face and that brings everybody some hope. Just knowing that there's a light in the tunnel don't give give fascinating. Thanks david thanks bye. Thank you and it does bring hope. Keep the hugs coming. We've waited so long. And those are the people and events that made world news this week world news. This week was written and produced by joyti oxygen. I'm chuck stevenson. 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We need to change our economic indicators to keep up with the crisis

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

25:32 min | 1 year ago

We need to change our economic indicators to keep up with the crisis

"What's that saying again? If you can't measure it can't improve it right. That is true more than ever in a corona virus economy from American public media. This is marketplace in Los Angeles. I'm Kai Ryssdal Thursday day. The twenty third day of April. Good as always to have you along everybody. You know once you get past the scale of the job losses with the latest numbers on first time claims for unemployment. They came out this morning putting the total at just under twenty seven million people who've lost their jobs once you get past that scale it is the speed. That's amazing. Twenty seven million jobs vaporized in five weeks which poses a challenge for those of us who observe analyze this economy accustomed as we are to quarterly and monthly data. Being good enough. So economists are getting creative. Marketplace's refinish war gets is going. The great recession played out gradually over eighteen months. What's happening today's instead of playing out of a months and years playing out of days and weeks. Justin Wolfer is a professor of economics at University of Michigan our friends. Gdp and the unemployment rate are reported once a month once a quarter but we need is economic indicators. To tell us what's happening today. Andrew Chamberlain is chief economist at glass door. He says luckily we live in an age of data. We have really different ways of measuring the economy today than we have a decade ago tech platform social media specialized firms have all kinds of useful real time. Data take for example would job search platforms can tell us you've got Twenty million unemployed Americans. You Might WanNa know whether they are all expecting to go back to work or not You might want to know if they're out there searching for jobs or not. The Federal Reserve looks at data from credit card processors to know how people are spending and payroll processing from. Adp to track jobs. Both of those come out. Weekly Ben Hur's on is an economist with IHS market the TSA started making available The public passenger traffic At airports on a daily basis in real time. And so we could see that passenger traffic at us. Airports had fallen like ninety five percent by the end of March. Weekly chain store sales. Tell us about spending electricity. Use can be a proxy for economic output. As for what exactly it's all telling US Gary Schlossberg is global market strategist with the wells. Fargo Investment Institute. They still show the economy continuing to decline. But there are a couple which are beginning to bottom out a little bit you know. There's some hope straws in that the economy is still weakening but approaching about whatever the indicator once you hit bottom. There's nowhere to go but up in New York. I'm sure for marketplace. Speaking of hitting bottom oil did earlier this week below Bonham in fact and into negative prices for a barrel. As we've been telling you about you can't get much closer to the beating heart of the American oil and gas industry than Midland Texas and the Permian Basin Oilfield so most of the local economy of course is tied to drilling and thus to the price of that barrel of crude marketplaces and dealer. Caught up with some folks out in Midland to see how they're doing this morning at about seven o'clock Keith. Dial went to his local Albertson's to pick up some groceries says there are about twenty five people there stocking up. He grew up in Midland and has been through a number of booms and busts. I'm guessing we have an unemployment locally that you'd be well above thirty five percent dial is a partner in a doubletree hotel in downtown midland. He says the hotels already furloughed. Most of the staff about eighty people because occupancy rates have plummeted on a Wednesday night. She months ago we would have rented underground sixty rings probably at about two hundred and fifty dollar eight and yesterday. I think we rented twenty rooms at about eighty nine dollars rate. He says most of the people renting out rooms during the week. We're tied to oil and gas people working on rigs or executives and Midland to discuss finances. David blackadder says his firm often has discussions about what to do if the bottom falls out on the price of oil but nobody was prepared for Monday's dip into negative numbers he's VP of acquisitions and divestitures for Texas. Standard oil shock almost too. Surreal watching a train wreck. He grew up in Midland too. And says this bust is unlike any he's ever seen when the market gets out of whack. Due to an oversupply oil companies normally adjust by cutting costs but the current virus shutting down demand for oil. You can't cut your way to happiness. He says companies and Services Industry Halliburton Baker Hughes in the like have been hit the hardest because producers are shutting down wells as fast as they can a lot of those contractors are leaving town bad news for guys like Ray blanchard owner of being and grape a coffee and wine bar in Midland. You know what can we do? Where can we get? You know? Get revenue in their offering meat and cheese boards to go and selling wine at retail prices now to compete with grocery and liquor stores because he says nobody's paying to have an experience anymore. I mean dealer for Marketplace Wall Street on this Thursday some ups and downs during the session. Mostly calm though relatively speaking. We'll have the details when we do. The numbers. Want to get out of this crisis. Epidemiologists will tell you you got a test and then you gotTa test some more and then you gotta trace. It's two parts figure out. Who has the virus and then find in quarantine everybody they have been in contact with and that that contact tracing is an actual job and we are going to need a lot of people doing that job and we're going to need them fast. That's a big ask though for public health system that is already stretched thin. Marketplace's Megan McCarthy Carino has more now on what states are doing about that when I reached her this morning Ashleigh Nelson and her team of forty contract. Tracers were gearing up for a big testing drive today in Grand Forks. North Dakota for each positive test. They'll conduct a detailed interview. How they got places if they Carpool who they talked to you how long they talk people. Or She's one of three hundred new contact tracers hired by the state many of them like Nelson inner team graduate students in public health before the pandemic only about sixteen hundred people were doing this work fulltime around the country experts estimate. We'll need up to a hundred times more within two weeks. We hired seven hundred fifty with the goal being that. Was IT DR joy? Mukherjee with a nonprofit partners in health has been leading the effort from Massachusetts. Training takes just a few days. She says they've been inundated with thousands of applications from the newly unemployed. Dr George Rutherford of Uc San Francisco is running training for his cities health department. Basically right now where. You repurpose workforce like city. Attorney's office the assessors some of the librarians. California aims to add ten thousand new contact tracers from the ranks of current public employees. Rather D- says the need for more public health workers will persist long after those workers returned to their normal jobs but many state and local public health systems are chronically. Underfunded says Dr Lieberman with a nonprofit. Trust for America's health and that has left public health understaffed and unable to modernize a report from Johns Hopkins estimates. It would take three point six billion dollars in new funding to add the needed hundred thousand public health workers to address the crisis. I'm Megan mccurdy Carino for marketplace fair. Warning everybody we are going to get a little dark here and take on some of the conversations right now that are pitting the health of the economy against life an actual health settling or trying to settle the debate over reopening the economy or giving essential workers hazard pay does in some way demand putting a dollar figure on human lives. There is of course no good way to do that. But the messy mix of balancing human costs against economic costs did not start and it will end with this crisis as communists and data scientists. Howard Steven Friedman tells it in his new book which is called ultimate price value. We place on life. Price tags on human lives are everywhere. Friedman. Thanks for coming on the program. Thank you very much pleasure to be on as I said In the introduction There is no Good way to value human life right. It's it's difficult. It's in some ways distasteful and yet you say in this book we do it all the time yes. Interestingly it happens all the time it happens in civil courts for profit companies and in fact regulatory agencies use values of life as part of their regular work. How do we go about it? Generally speaking and let's let's divide government from from the private sector here right because as you mentioned regulators have to do this as a matter of government policy first of all absolutely well. Let's take a for profit company. I bike a car company. Okay we know that Ford or Toyota. They can make their cars less dangerous or they can choose to not put additional safety mechanisms in they do a calculation to try and figure out. What's the costs? And what's the benefits? There's a textbook example of the Ford Pinto case. Where back in the seventies they were trying to convince regulators to not make further regulations to make the car safer and they ended up doing a very detailed calculation which involved a dollar figure human life of a few hundred thousand dollars. A Lotta people. Even in the seventies were shocked when they saw that companies really do put dollar figures on people's lives. I chuckled. I should say just because we had a Ford Pinto when I was a kid and my brother and I called it. The death mobile and my parents were not amused. yeah So to to the regulatory environment here government does this as well right and they do it all the time they do. And what's interesting about it? Is THE GOVERNMENT. Uses the same value for all lines richer. Poor younger old. No matter where you live in the United States they use a figure of about ten million dollars per life all lives equally is a very interesting position because it's not how the government has always considered this they for example during the Bush Junior administration tested the waters of pricing older people's lives less than younger and the public reacted strongly. They call this a senior death discount. They didn't accept it. They fact off. And now today regulators all use the same value for all lots are so. Let's get the present day here Which is the reason we got on the phone. There's conversation now about those workers who are on the front lines of this epidemic and I'm talking grocery store workers. I'm talking delivery. People who are putting themselves at risk so that the rest of us can shelter and be safe at home. There's talk about giving them hazard pay. That is also A form of valuing human life. What are the calculations that are going into that one now? It's it's really interesting. You raise the point hazard pay because hazard pay involves basically paying someone more for taking on more risk. It's hazard paid. That was the basis for coming up with that figure of ten billion dollars that the regulatory agencies use that was the input and used to estimate what's called the value of statistical life so it doesn't seem so unusual to even be having that conversation. It seems actually quite natural of course in the United States will receive major inequalities in terms of. Who's most at risk right? Inequalities by income inequalities by ethnic groups by race right and that manifest across the spectrum of methodology in value human. Lives right absolutely. This is really one of the fundamental issues with using income as a primary input to value human life income we know has gender based biases racial based buys location biases age based biases. So when you start with the idea that someone's life is based on an income based calculation. You're always GONNA have problems. I personally think that if we can start with the ideas of equity and equality will be on a safer standing Morley safer standing as a society Howard Steven Friedman Is Health at Columbia University? His forthcoming book on the topic at hand is called ultimate price the value we place on life power. Thanks a lot for your time. I really appreciate thank you. I really appreciate it too. We've got an excerpt as we usually do. Howard's book it's marketplace dot. Org COMING UP ACTUALLY. Had A couple people reach out about zoom birthday party? I don't know how I feel about that but first let's do the numbers Dow industrials thirty nine points today. Yes just thirty. Nine points no digit in front of that one tenth of one percent. Twenty three thousand five fifteen for the blue chips. Nasdaq BASICALLY FLAT LOSS. Less than a point. S and P five hundred down a point and a half lesson two tenths percent there. Twenty seven and ninety seven. Well let's see her. She's the chocolate people. They reported earnings. Today they said the job losses are making people buy less of its products. The company said it's all surge in sales of baking chips cocoa and chocolate syrup. His family's hunkered down. Yes hello my house but already seeing drops in sales across the board has job losses. Mount Hershey shares down more than four percent today earlier in the week. Oil was the big headline up today so Exxon Mobil gained three point. One Percent Chevron Bank to two point seven percent Daniel listening to marketplace this is marketplace. I'm Kai Ryssdal. There's a second round of emergency loans coming for the small businesses in this economy. That needed another three hundred. Twenty Billion Dollars Worth for the paycheck protection program. The first round of which as you know ran dry in something like twelve days a marketplace analysis of that first round. You can see it at marketplace dot org by the way but then analysis shows states with smaller populations got more loan money per capita than beer states on the coasts and as marketplace's Justin Ho reports the biggest winners were in the Upper Midwest and the Great Plains on the day. The loan program kicked off in early April Jennifer Davidson. Sent an email to the bank. That works with the Financial Literacy nonprofit. She runs and Lincoln Nebraska. Inky your help with this attach. Please find a completed. Draft P borrower application form of also attach pronounced showing our February payroll expenses in about a week later. The loan was approved in the full amount of the thirty thousand dollar. Loan showed up in her nonprofits bank account. The next day was so easy. I didn't even like I didn't see anyone in person. At all. Is One hundred percent online. Davidson's experience was far from universal. Many businesses we've spoken with had trouble even applying for PC loans because they didn't have close relationships with their banks but Davidson did because she says Nebraska is rural. We know are bankers. May I think that's the biggest thing so there's like two degrees of separation of knowing everyone? It's just less populous. Those close relationships between businesses and bankers states with relatively small populations made the program easier for bankers to administer that's according to Eric Hallman who runs the Nebraska Independent Community Bankers Association. An happens to sit. On the Board of Jennifer Davidson's nonprofit that helps the mid Western banks specifically more so than what you might have otherwise found on the coast. There is also less competition for loans and the Great Plains and Upper Midwest. Nathan Raji is the president and CEO of San Diego's Bank of Southern California. It issued about nine hundred fifty loans before the first round of funding ran out. Raggi says given that California's the most populous state in the union. That's a small number which just put a lot of strain and I think that translated into your people getting access to the program another thing businesses and the Great Plains Upper Midwest going for them industries there have had their fair share of catastrophe in recent years great plains have been dealing with the shock of last spring's flooding and they've been dealing with the pressures of the trade war. Scott few says an economics professor at the University of Nebraska. He says businesses in the region in agriculture food processing and transportation are more familiar with the process of applying for government aid and so recognizing another stress coming along. They were quick to reach out for their relief that this program offers and he says the banks and the region have plenty of experience with a roller coaster economics farming. I'm Justin Ho for marketplace as it is here personal protective equipment and the lack of it is simultaneously a scandal and a critical issue over in the UK. British unions and professional organizations have said their members in the National Health Service over. There can refuse to treat patients if they haven't been given the right gear but a family in north London has been doing. Its part to make up for some of that. Shortfall as marketplace's Stephen Beard reports Krista greely and his family live in a quiet suburb in north London. In this pleasant with Styria clad house Christopher Hi Christopher and his wife. Emily have turned their home into Amedee factory. Making P P for Britain's National Health Service becomes the what used to be out front room out of the I live in You might be able to hear the noise of the princess wearing away the TV so Francesa have been removed to make way for ten three D. Printers all churning out a key component a full face visor. So this is the halt plastic headband. Part of the assembly. They were bust the flexible. They were Christopher technical designer by trade. Owns two or Three D. printers the others costing around two hundred fifty dollars a piece with donated by friends? Crowdfunding has paid for the materials on the grill. Family have supplied the Labor around the clock. Yeah we've been working through the night so we've been getting up sharee now. Al Shifts is feeding the baby again. We've had three children already. At least you don't have to change the diapers. No no no. Yeah the mini factory is producing around one thousand single use vices a week which the handing over for free to local hospitals and on occasion to individual healthcare workers who turn up distressed on their doorstep. We've had nurses on AL driveway crying in Teaser of fear and enjoy when we give them ten face vises th they need. It's been awful to watch them but really gratifying to give them the parts that they need many hundreds of people across the UK been stirred into action. During the corona virus crisis affirm called electro components which distributes industrial products launched a national call to arms urging anyone with a three D. Printer to join the new P p. e. cottage industry the companies. Mike Bray. We've seen people who you're running businesses contact us. We've seen schools to take up the Golden Lonzo. We've seen individuals from across our local communities across the UK. He's got three D. printers supporting this. Another of the organizers may some rowbottom of the National Three D. printing society says at least seventeen hundred fifty printers have been enlisted. Each one capable of making forty visa headbands a day. So we have a current pasta outputs of seventy thousand headbands. Fidel basically we can produce prompting. The question is Britain. Now headed for Vice Glut. No way insist Christopher and Emily Greeley here in north London. They say almost limitless supplies of single use phases may be required a not just in hospitals and care homes so long as the virus remains a threat. So you'RE GONNA keep those. Printers churning out the vices full of foreseeable future saloons. We can pay electricity bill. Stop we went. Copied nineteen has fostered this new cottage industry with the atomization of the workforce on the lockdown and the dislocation of supply chains. The Three D. Printers come into its own another unexpected effect of the pandemic in London. I'm Stephen Beard for marketplace. There are businesses out there that are inherently social. And so in this age of social distancing they are having to adjust often doing business online here to try to make that turn. My name is Suzie. Estes I live in New York City. I work with my husband. And we are a clown duo. We entertain children at birthday parties. We do libraries. My name is Cranston a primary care physician in Fort Lauderdale area on March ninth. We just got one phone call. After another for cancellations we've been closed since the seventeenth. And so what I had to do was reinvent the practice in the course of one weekend. I developed a website and how to build the telehealth platform adapting is very scary thing because we flourish in a live audience setting. We've actually had a couple people reach out about zoom birthday parties. Well now now that I see how nicely telehealth works and I get to be home and spend more time with my family love to do it. But I don't know if it's practical from the standpoint of maintaining patients and we're going to still take ahead financially. It's devastating not to have any bookings on the calendar. Not to know where the next bit of money's GonNa come in to pay our mortgage and we've also been very lucky. I mean we have friends and family who've reached out to us and said that if we ever need anything that they'll be there for US Suzanne. She's in New York City. Mark Greenstein is in Fort. Lauderdale this final note on the way out today which we will file firmly in the fact matter folder right alongside the observation that it's Americans paying president. Trump's tariffs not China. Perhaps you saw and we talked about yesterday. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell saying he would prefer states go bankrupt rather than get federal relief. Money a sentiment than McConnell's office clarified leader in a press release in which these bailouts were called blue state bailouts. That's the news item. Here are the facts in fiscal year. Two thousand seventeen and this is from a study by the Rockefeller Institute of Government Kentucky. Mcconnell's read home state. Of course got back. Forty five billion dollars. More from the federal government than Kentuckians paid in federal taxes. New York the Blue State at the center of the Corona virus economy paid thirty five billion dollars more in federal taxes than it got back. All right we gotta go down. Dust rose up thirty nine points today. That's about a tenth of one percent. The Nasdaq and the S&P both fundamentally flats on the day. Amir John Buckwheat Eve Epstein Ricardo. John Gordon are the marketplace editing. Staff Betsy streisand is the managing editor. I'm Kai Ryssdal. We Will See Tomorrow. This is APN.

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John & Ken Show Hour 4 (04/22)

"Will probably tracking oil prices. They drive volt chart John and ken show john kobylt ken. Chiampou kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Well at the state county and local level. There are three politicians who really ought to be knocked out of office if gavin newsom. We all know where that's headed. We're expecting report soon from the secretary of state about the signature verification process on the recall effort there in the county it starts gascoyne. That is a very organized recall effort they should have petitions out there in the next couple of weeks and that brings us to the third one and the local one and it's somebody who already faced possibility of a recall back in two thousand seventeen over the issue of road diets in fact it prop john and ken show to the west side. We're over there in. Playa del rey. Remember that managed again to back down on that playa. Del ray road diet was the vista del mar road diet through culver boulevard and yes. We got this politician to eventually reopened the lights. His commuters his big sin. Though is he's allowed the homelessness to like a cancer metastasized throughout his council district which runs during the pandemic. it has just become far worse. In fact if you're just joining us we talked about the fire yesterday morning very early in venice which burnt to home and killed a pet a dog and when that lived there. Named courtney fortunately was not home at the time but she shared her thoughts and feelings on that with us earlier in the show and the strong suspicion is some Jerk started the fire through something incendiary into the room where the dog was sleeping and The there's there was nothing else in the room that could possibly catch fire. There was nothing that could ignite dog probably wasn't sleeping. We're hearing that. The dog heard something in the alleyway or where behind the home and got worked with barking. Right now could have what could have been what set this person off. We don't know yet. No but that's what's likely and it. It is just horrific. What's going on in venice. It is spread to brentwood. It's in mar vista. There's just just hundreds and hundreds of homeless people some of these some of these communities organized to by activist groups and bonds all in and it seems like he wants to torture the people who vote for him torture. The people who employ him that he's supposed to serve and and finally. I think everybody is waking up. I mean that that that to intersection where there's the speaking kampman at the corner of asante wilshire is such a heavily travelled intersection. It's like a gigantic advertisement for bannon's ineptitude and cruelty and we're gonna get now a man we've had on the show before he's lived in venice for twenty nine years Nick a ton of cello. Is i think I remember how to say the name. Nick how are you good to hear. Hear you guys. Hope you're safe and well yes. You have a column in the venice current it's titled it was about a week ago. Bonnin recall two point. Oh so we wanna know what you know about the possibilities that there could be a and i guess. He's up for reelection next year right. Yes he is This whole situation with the recall coming back is basically a A reaction or the the people of of the area just having had enough. I mean his decision last week to bring more homelessness to beaches and public spaces. Dockweiler and fisherman's warf. I wish these consistent. He's he's taking his bad policy now everywhere. The the policy of containment just in venice is no longer The rule of thumb. Now it is. We're going put it everywhere we're gonna put it in the palisades we're gonna put it in. Brentwood we're gonna put it everywhere and Dare to stop me. And i think that the deer to stop the is now happened. I think we've got to a tipping point since articles appeared. I've i've and he's he's trying to brentwood now with that idiotic encampment in front of the. Va so now he's encroached and and as offending and trying to ruin life for many more thousands of people who maybe didn't get to venice very often so they didn't care correct. And i and i think now that his he's gotten he's been emboldened by what he's done in venice and to the point where i think he believes that people will not stand up to him and that that the opposition is not organized and His continued Divide and conquer. Tactics will prevail. He's so machiavelli. In his approach to government that i think he feels. I can do whatever. I want and dare to stop me. What's interesting though. Is this last week when this this new recall to gain traction on change dot org has already been almost ten thousand signatures now. That doesn't really count in terms of you know the actual signatures only twenty seven thousand once. They follow their notice of intent but to get ten thousand signatures and a week. tells you the outrage. That's out there. Yeah it takes more and more. It's far more organized and it's form or a serious than it was the last time and He he's got a real political problem. Yeah because without asking without trying to organize it completely organic completely. Organic ten thousand people coming out and saying had enough and there's other things happening as well the district And people are if. I had visualize this thing. I would visualize. This is a pool and there's a shark in the water and the shark has got a hard poon in it and people now realize that the short can be stopped. And now people are saying. I i need to get involved. It's no longer about homelessness. It's no longer about road diets. It's about a guy in office that just doesn't get. It doesn't represent the people. He doesn't care what anyone thinks. It's so arrogant so rude so condescending that the time now for him to go is finally come to pass and and I think that the cd eleven residents are going to organize in a way that's gonna change. La politics He's also getting hundreds of people showing up on zoom calls which is to those calls. Yeah he was He did a westchester called. About ten days ago it was over. Five hundred people on the call. There was another call. palisades another five hundred or six hundred people on the call and And in both of those calls the overwhelming feeling was you know what are you doing. And why are you doing this to us. And he his attitude basically was. This is my. He did a powerpoint presentation and this is my plan. And if you don't wanna go along with it well you're part of the problem. He continues on this course of the nimby narrada if you Are going to fight back to save your neighborhood somehow of the notion of will not in my backyard syndrome that you're just a evil person scored bracelet which yeah everybody should embrace not my backyard. You're exactly right at ten. That's not what people pay all that money for is to have this kind of All this filth and and Defecation and the needles and the insane behavior and now they're murders happening. It's murders happening brentwood. There's murders in we've voters in venice. We've had we've had two major fires. One was a six thousand square foot Commercial building right on ocean front. Walk ironically There was a law office in there. And and the and the lawyers there were homeless advocates. So there was some irony to that situation but all in all i mean uh you cannot go to ocean front walk if you down there right now. It's about thirty percent vacancies on the board walk. people are not there at night. It's it's it's cryptic comments and it's it's not a place you would bring your family or your wife or your children or anyone else for that matter. It's dangerous and the encampments are just spreading like wildfire. You know and nothing's changed and it's gotten you know a hell of a lot worse than the last time i spoke to you guys. I mean if you look at the bridge housing for example which we talked about the last time you had me on. There are dozens and dozens of encampments around bridge housing which he say he stated unequivocally that that would not be the case that there would be all kinds of clean up in that area would would would not disrupt the neighborhood everything. He has said everything he has promised has been the absolute opposite and i think now people just say you know enough is enough and you know you know. It's not about him anymore. It's about this attitude that the that the majority the majority of people cd eleven do not agree with him and he just doesn't see it that way and he basically sides himself with fringe groups and service providers not for profit bureaucrats who don't live in the district or have invested interested in homelessness and the cottage industry homelessness. They probably homelessness. Yeah the work donations. And they're south their salaries go higher. Nick we we gotta go. We'll give you time. I'll give you okay. I'll tell you what come back. We'll talk to you again. But he's got a break now. This is a tablet pronounce on nick. Enter into anton a cello a of cello. Renton shelhah anyway. He's longtime finish residence. Talk about the possible effort. Again to effect a recall of city councilman mike bond. More coming up. And i just signed actually change dot org petition. Say just type in recall mike. Bonnin in the in the search box and you'll get it and sign it and They're very close to ten thousand signatures and this will give him a whiff of the recall. That's gonna come johnny cannon john. Ken show john kobylt and ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere in the i heart radio app and we continue now. If vick china cello. He's lived in venice for twenty nine years. He wrote a piece in a local outlet current venice current about the recall bonded. And the binding recall. Actually you can. You can go online to change dot org. This is not a binding petition but it gives you an idea how many people support just trying to gauge. Just recall recalled. Mike bonded in the chain in the search box and nick. You're about to tell us something else about this whole movement Well yeah i mean when you think about it from the last time. was basically about road diets and you know typical not a typical issue. It was a damaging issue. But you know There wasn't the rage that we see. Now i mean like i was saying earlier. I'm getting emails and phone calls for people i've never met. Don't know how can i help. Who can i donate you. what can i do. Can i get a petition. I mean this is the most organic volunteer network. That's developing that. I've ever seen in all the time i've lived here. Most people don't really care about paul's local. This is this is grassroots. Like i've never seen. I was talking to somebody the other day and he said you know only about five percent of the population voted for eric. Garcetti for example in council elections get very tiny turnouts. Most people don't know who they're council minutes and nobody has been running against bond and he walks away with like seventy plus percent vote. Is there a candidate. Numbers numbers deceiving. And i'll tell you why When that was five. And a half you remember. He got an extension on his term to five and a half. This is a five and a half year term so they want rely exactly so he's so when he's also if you if you just to serve out this term what's left of it and then run again and win. He will basically serve thirteen and a half years in the seat at three hundred thousand dollars a year. Not a bad gig of guess You know so I mean he's the highest paid towns united states. You make more money than the speaker of the house. You know money then. Dianne feinstein or alex padilla or ted lieu. Ted lieu represents seven hundred and fifty thousand people. He represents two hundred and fifty thousand people and makes almost twice as staff sixteen of which ten make over one hundred thousand dollars a year. Oh my god that's a real kingdom so there's got to be a candidate it's it's it's the college of cardinals. The la city council is the college of cardinals. There's fifteen in the city of four million. Compare that to new york city fifty five council members who make a hundred thousand dollars a year in the city has twice the population takes chicago. You know twice the size of the local governor. The all the board of alderman city of chicago is like fifty members as well so these are very very powerful people and they're well compensated on top of it and it is is the people who'd be willing to run against them. Credible people not just in local crack Yeah i know the names that are emerging Or people that are credible people who are community leaders people who have vested interest in in the in cd eleven. And i i think is this and they wanna clean. Hustle accelerate the. I mean the people. The names that i've heard are people who are not politicians. They're not professional politicians. They're not democrats or republicans. They're just local people who are tired of what is going on Currently and and you know this week call should it be. Successful will accelerate the process. Because he wants to notice of intent is served on bond and again it's kinda like donald trump being Impeach twice Then the clock is on. You have a hundred and twenty days to get the twenty seven thousand signatures and then the city clerk if they verify signatures would then set a date for the election so then instead of now the next election is is the primary in two thousand and twenty two which is much but if this thing is successful it will accelerate the process to recall. Then the person who wins the the actual vote after the question would serve out the remainder of this term and then obviously would run for election next year for full four year term. All right nick. We'll be in touch. As this progresses. We hope that one's for real anything. I can do to help nick. Just let us know. Because i really want this guy out. I'll any yes. Push the change dot org Recall i already And if and if people in venice that listen to your show they want the news about venice go to venice. Current dot com. We'll do thanks all right guys. Thank you well anything you could do. How about your name on the recall replacement. Yeah three hundred thousand dollars a year. Now that's had that is lucrative. All you gotta do is appear on zoom and say nice thing and then you put your family on is the staff members. They're each making one hundred grand you know about the whole please starts getting to be a serious income all right john and ken kfi. Ken show john kobylt ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Tomorrow is the day we released the voice line callers. You still have time to put your message in there for consideration very elaborate process. One eight seven seven moist eighty six the phone number one eight seven seven six six four seven eight eight six on the vaccine front couple of stories today the university of california and the cal state systems plan to require cova. Nine thousand nine hundred students return to campus that includes faculty and staff if you're gonna come on campus properties. I guess you're going to have to show proof of a covid nineteen vaccination. Although the caveat is once the vaccines are actually formally approved by the fda and you might say well wait a minute. Pfizer moderna. But out there well. That's the emergency youth authorization. What eventually will follow will be the full approval. But that hasn't actually happened yet. You mean our our vaccines are not yet. That is correct know that it was just an emergency authorization. I knew that wasn't going to be recognized because of that. The newscasters were careful. When all this happened to say They're going to allow the pfizer madonna. But it hasn't been approved by the fda so it has not quite gone that's what emergency youth authorization is. We're still going to study this. Yeah we we're not just not official. You know you still could have rabbits climbing on top of each other. Had the jump over the fence you'll get into whole contaminated all the carrots barbara ferrara's analogy yesterday. All that's right. That's right why you should wear masks biden announced yesterday and by the way stories of percolate all this week. Even though it's only been a week since californian much of the rest of the country opened up a vaccinations to everybody eighteen and older eligibility it's slowing down. You could imagine this is like everything else like when a new restaurant opens. And you always have those people that just have to eat that new restaurants. I can tell everybody. I went to that new. Talion place la hausa i. Well you know there was a crowd like debra marks who wanted to be first in line to get the vaccine run out of those people and issues pushing elderly women out of the way. I don't remember that well. Of course there's a lot you forget. I know you're in such a frenzy i we had a blackout. You didn't realize so. Biden is offering tax credits. If you're a smaller business and your employees need to take time off to get the vaccine or to recover from the side effects there would be a tax credit provided to the business to give you the time off. So they're starting to bribe people now as many as eighty hours and paid time off to get their shots or recover from side effects. Two weeks you can take two weeks off after you get the vaccine. You're say that you're hurting. Yeah we should have done that actually we. We did get eighty hours of extra six sick leave. I don't know if you noticed. The company has that Policy get sick with cova get covert. I don't know if applies the vaccine but Feel aching feverish. They're not going to be here tomorrow. Late reaction. I know saif red day could be delayed by months. Sometimes you just suddenly get hit and here comes. John's favorite topic once again visited by a writer at the el segundo times. When is it time to put away the mask. Well experts say not yet. Oh they're wrong ex premature to end facemask requirements. Now what did i read today. They had two arguments for keeping the face. Bask on both of them were very funny. One is as a courtesy. Yeah we talked about dr condie remember. She said that those who have not been vaccinated that you're you're on their team right right because some might be uncomfortable when they see you right to those people i say screw off and then the other was to model it for children as a way to get children to wear masks since we have a children's vaccine. Yes yes and. I'm thinking that's all you have left. I love how they keep. They keep changing though the the rationale. It's it's like what they did at the beginning. It's like along as soon as we You know we bend the curve and the hospitals are not overwhelmed. Then everything gets opened back up except that never happened. They lied same thing now. Yeah you can take masks off. Well i know you're vaccinated and it's almost impossible to catch it and almost impossible to spread it but you know there's there's been watching other people are gonna feel uncomfortable. Get outta here. Shot up no mask over august age then there was. Oh my god. They're citing dr rutherford. Get in this story. Look good lord. Dr. george rutherford from uc san francisco. That's dr ghandi's counterpart off here. He often contradicts whatever she says. And she uses great common sense in dealing with this and he did duck. He does not no and this is what he says. Well you know. Masks are used extensively in asia korea. China could see our future. It could be normal polite behavior that if you have a cold. You're a mask outdoors. Sorry sorry dr weatherford not going the asian route not embracing that cultural change. Sorry and then. I saw another debate today about masks outdoors. And i'm like oh god we're down to this now. When everyone agrees outdoor transmission is extremely minimal. Oh yeah i mean. It's just not possible in your normal daily life to get it outdoors chess. But i mean they never story today in the paper A bad bad profiling on anxious woman who doesn't know never be able to go out and comfortable again. It's like wow specials about people cannot cannot see a return to normalcy. They've been living like this so long. A i i. I don't know if she's on one of those dating apps but you might want to swipe her off. We got more coming up. John and ken. Kfi c o shea to lebron to shut up. yeah. I know people. Complaining that lebron's twitter account is not been suspended yet though he police officer over that shooting. Ohio yeah. oj is but ho. jake's making these little videos did this commenting on stuff in the news. No i didn't know there was one the day. Minneapolis case. really sign up so he's a pundit From his backyard there maybe. Kfi am a weekend show. Yeah well you know. Maybe you hear. But lebron Put out a tweets With a photo of the cop who shot that knife-wielding girl and lumber so high and said you're next and he said accountability trial. But yeah you gotta take that to mean. Yeah but i'm thinking okay. Well since this was a stabbing case a knife case he probably felt had special expertise to right away in if only it had been there that night to fire off some shots before somebody tonight nicole and ron right give give simpson a little lead there. He say told He told lebron yet to pick your battles be more patient. Here's the headline for you. We talked earlier in the show. Joe biden announcing today that he wants to cut emissions by fifty percent within nine years already happened this afternoon. What did all we cut the emissions. Well here's a great headline for you. In the daily mail. How biden's climate plan could limit you eat. Just one burger a month a cut three and a half thousand dollars. A year per person cost three and a half thousand dollars a year per person in taxes. force you to spend fifty five thousand dollars on electric car and crush american jobs. I guess some analysts have been going over this because the ground is the he going to cut emissions by fifty percent in nine years. This is the occasional cortex green new deal. It's all the same thing remember and we'll take trains you. Yes yes cars yet. Air airplanes are gone high speed mall across the country and it says here. Red meat cut ninety percent of renton diet. cows are gone burgers are gone red. Beat has gone imagine if you had a voucher for just at one burger you'd have a month doing the black market. Wouldn't you how how delusional that'd be setting up a burger speakeasy where people could come into a secret. Dark basement eat burgers together. Yeah the big thing. Is the cars. More than half of new cars. Bought in the us would need to be electric within the next decade according to studies. That's not gonna happen to you. One percent or two percent of sales at two percent of sales cost of electric vehicles. Fifty five grand most people's budgets. There's going to be such a category action to that and the next election cycle. He also announced he wants to raise the capital gains tax. You saw that. I saw that and double it. This guy is going for it. All isn't it because he's seen the ugly next year on the mental he has all these woke kohl's running things that has administration. He doesn't know what's going on is a front talking radical jackasses. Yeah wanna remake the world. Look who's here. It's our buddy. I am so thankful that my parents your parents kens parents. I had us when they did you imagine thirty years later i was thinking i didn't know at the time that was the golden really talked to break Because jerry is coming out with tonight at pulmonologist out of saint joe's we'll talk about the vaccine. Also the johnson johnson. If that's gonna come back with some warnings and then petros on eight o'clock kind of cool. Plus we have the lakers are playing in dallas with Anthony davis coming back for fifteen minutes. Is that right. Yeah fifteen fifty s doing anymore from the on police tactic. But he's going to be out for sixty minutes tonight. He's not playing. Oh that's right. He's still out. Yeah yeah he's tweeting. He's extreme and then los angeles city council approved an ordinance to make disposable food ware including utensils napkins available. Only by request. There you go. Wow but you should write a book about your limo. Driving as those promos sound great. Oh yeah right. I drove a lot of very lionel. Richie and johnny cash. On michael jackson drove michael jackson for awhile. Did you know that john i heard. Tell ya crazy talking book doc. Severinsen around. that's right. Yeah i also drove Who is johnny still alive. The dead limo driver. Who is carson sidekick ed mcmahon. Oh quick. i'll tell you store. Ed mcmahon picked him at the airport. And i said hey you going home or you want to. You're going to get something to eat. He goes what do you want to go home. Because i can't hear you. So go the back i go. Do you wanna go home because yeah take me home. So i'm driving and i said hey is cooler back for you because what all right back. Because i can't hear you drop them off and you know the old headphones on planes where it was just air. He had those things stuck in his ears. The little tiny rubber headphones one in each year didn't know he didn't know he's pulled it out one in each year he's gone deaf and and everyone asks well. Did you tell him. And i said i did not that. That's on him. that's right. He was the nicest man he was. One of the greatest guys did he bring dog food and they bring out. Nobody publishers clearinghouse. Oh that's right. He's given us tips on how to have longevity real. Yeah it was in our first year or so that we were here and he was off. The air is telling things you should do so that you would last a long time really like any kind of have have regular segments regular bits like people would look forward to all the time like the carnet rights. Yeah all that. Oh that's cool. People like rituals. They as you may be getting tired of doing it but people like rituals comforts them. Yeah well may. We'll bring back with jesse jackson. Hey choice day. It is thursday your voice in my head. That's i don't go. all right. Very good. John and ken show. Kfi and koa hd two live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Wait a second. I did that wrong again. Let me try. get caffeine. chaos t hd two los angeles. Orange county live everywhere on the iheartradio app. There you go.

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"John and ken show john kobylt ken. Chiampou kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. We have breaking news. Yes they'll handle returns to mornings on monday and gary and shannon return to ten. Am to two pm. That is all thank you We are going to have debra mark on our side. Big time today. Who i like that. You may want to wait to hear what it is about you. Always he always sets a trap he does but sometimes i think as she walks in grilling me. How many times. If i told this story i think she likes we were children. I would be the kid weights and lurks around the corner of she walks by with her beautiful bond or big lollipop and tripper. First of all. I never wore a bonnet me. One of those were easter lady. Hats right like messed up prim. Little cute girl. I always pictured that one time. I did dress up a shirley temple so i did it for halloween. I did have big lollipops. Cute little roughly draft. He nailed it on it. I say well it was one night. I had it right right straight on halloween ninety trip. Do you like those kentucky. Derby hats that they wear it is a vagrant story. Next hour talking to a man who's pretty upset. His little baby yorkie. A little dog was mauled by a homeless dog. A pit bull and a homeless encampment. It's another aspect of the problem with where in southern california particularly and many parts of la. So here's a guy just out walking little yorkie and you know. They're small right debra mark. And they're so they're so the pit bull attacked it is severely injured is horrible. So we're counting on you to support our cause candidates. Now we all right now. We turn to john kobylt in public service. Yes really shocking. Everyone today orna. I'm looking at a story in the wonderful time that i do read it now. More for entertainment. Sometimes it's still enrages. Even now. I just laugh it off because it's silly nonsensical publication yet is he'll with it's like it's incredibly and you know what i'm dropping progressive. I'm not using that anymore. These are socialist liberal wackos. Let's bring back the old words. I hate that word progressive because they did it to rebrand themselves as being something futuristic. Yes we're we're we're looking forward. We're progressive or communists. Positive change socialists. Communists whenever you want even old liberal should come back but it's ridiculous what we're hearing in dealing with now but this story is about what happens next. Tuesday june fifteenth when california. Fully reopens and there still people wearing masks in public. And the reason. I'm calling on. John kobylt visit several health officials in this story along with Your friend janice han. The county supervisor are asking for people to please do not tease be taught. Those who continue to wear masks. Why this sub supervisor janice han went so far. This week is to urge the public to not shame or bully or even give dirty looks. Oh reeling continue wearing masks when it's longer required. No no no no. I got dirty looks. Deborah's gotten dirty. Looks when i've been by myself walking alone didn't have a mask or not having a mask okay. I got both sides that i got people stepping off the curb and crossing the street. So i'm sorry. Turnabout is fair play. We were fended about the bibi. You just didn't take a shower that day. No i got. I got the eagle-eye from people. Here's ed because they they were ignorant of how the viruses past the irony. Is that supposedly come tuesday. You should still be wearing a mask. If you are unvaccinated i can tell you right now with almost sheer certainty that ninety nine point nine percent of the people that are still wearing masks. Say outside and in some public places. Next tuesday are fully vaccinated. Because you're positive because those are the people that are frightened to death of covid nineteen right if you're so paranoid you're still wearing a mask. Then you've got the vaccine. I that's right. That makes common sense. You right into the first in line if you didn't if you didn't bother with the vaccine you're not worried about a mask and fact based on my anecdotal Reading social media the craziest people who are scared of the vaccine from day one watch. Cnn twelve hours. A day got their vaccines. In fact they put it on social media with a picture and some slogan or some decal. Whatever by vaccine. They're still pushing the masks. Still still think some of these people have had a vaccine for four months. And they're still saying. I can't believe i was at the airport. The other day and people aren't wearing masks. You out insane. Are you in fact. The health officials in this story. Several of them said we know now. The vaccines are effective. They're effective against the variance. It's highly unlikely that you'll either get or pass corona virus with your mask but now they counties health officer. Dr davis said he's going to stick to was habits. He'll wear a mask distance but but doors crowded senate. This is what you're talking about. The other day is a lot of these. Health officers epidemiologists. This whole crowd a crazy. And that's why they got into the field. They they grew up in developed. Some kind of phobic response to germs. So they decided they were going to devote their lives to shapes. You're medically cautious the story in the new york times from a few weeks ago. Was that seventy and this was from the last month. Seventeen percent of epidemiologist the interviewed. We're still cleaning the mail before they brought in the house. I don't know how you do that. Dan with one of those Sanitary wipes right. The envelopes might be a little wet the packages okay. Now if you are rubbing lysol wipes christmas cards. we're insane. dr fauci said that this is a year ago that he would just let them sit. he didn't wipe them down but just let them sit so wait for the virus to die. I guess we didn't take everybody was worried about surface. Look there is a tremendous amount of mental illness. Out there. okay. Well this some of its malignant like you see in the streets these days. Some of its more benign. But that's what this is the masking the washing of the male. Obviously you make think that. They opened up the drop. The letters in i think some people dead debuted at least rent cycle the quick right remember. Dr rutherford dr. george. Rutherford is at uc san francisco. Biala just is his a colleague. It's been on our show time. Dr monica gandhi. Who's in this story that. Who is the only one in this story who basically you're fully vaccinated. Go on masks everywhere. It's allowed don't have to wear masks. He's like pretty much the only one that said that but only when they put in the story that's true because i think a huge a huge percentage of la times readers on the west side are still wearing the masks. So talk to rutherford said basically. It depends on where. You're going now. If i go to a place like reading a city in northern california shasta county where there are eight point. Four new coronavirus cases a day per one hundred thousand residents. Well that might mask up. What did they have big scoreboard in the count square. Essentially the only thirty six percent of residents at least partially vaccinated to that makes him nervous. Then i'll probably be masking up if i were to go to a place like reading. But he knows we have to do. Now you're right. John look up all the stats around the state if we travel which town were in what the case rate is in the vaccination miles disguise washing mail. I'll you i tell you my my friend and i is no joke. We get together at the park everyday. Play tennis and work out and stuff and we'll sit and watch people wearing masks walk by. There's far fewer than there used to be but we we try to. We try to figure out. What's their story okay. So thirty year old guy. The other day he was wearing a long sleeved plaid shirt You know millennial weiner types i. What's this guy story like. What kind of a home did you grow horrid haunting. i was already mocking yes. Public officials are asking you to refrain. Well i am telling the public officials to somebody just wants to be super cautious mentally. They also wear three condoms. I told you. There's a guy every morning when i walk my dog. There's a guy and literally he is a block away but he sees me me and we're not even on the same side of the still and he sees us and he pulls up the mask. And i look at him and every day i want to ask him. Hey are you are you vaccinated. I'm vaccinated but it's not my business. I can't say anything once a year ago. If he was doing that i wouldn't think much of it but he's still doing that. He's john's right. He's a little crazy in the head and he doesn't so dramatically damascus dramatically. Yeah he's making a statement disease for you that you've you're the title i'm vaccinated. You're the type of spreads infection. Oh yeah when we come back the other crazy outfit to talk about is the california occupational safety and health standards board late into the night and they really didn't come up with a decision on masking in the workplace we did. They argued about this for hours. They did yes house wrong with these inch. Mobile ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app and Starting mud bill handles back onto the morning. Gary and shannon back to the voice line returns tomorrow. One eight seven seven moist eighty-six one eight seven seven six four seven. Eight eight six. Your last chance to the next few hours to deposit a voicemail. And maybe you'll be played for all of our listeners. Tomorrow at five. Twenty and five fifty. I mean this story is proof. That state is micromanaged. It's got too much government layers and agencies. I mean if it's not enough if you live in the city of l. a. You have the city of la deciding some of the rules on the corona virus. You have the county health department. The you have the state california department of health. Then you have this. Dopey california division of occupational safety and health the cal osha board so they met again yesterday because what they're trying to determine is rules in the workplace for masking and the times published a story late last night. After ten o'clock the result of which was details were scant. They made a decision last week. That you could only go maskless in the workplace you and everyone in the room was fully vaccinate. Everyone in the room they heard a lot of blowback from that including from some state health officials so they decided in an emergency call to revisit. The matter last night and again they went on for hours and hours and kind of didn't make a decision. What they did they suggested. They'll allow fully vaccinated employees to stop wearing masks on the job. But they're going to meet again on june seventeenth. What are they talking about. It's like telling people you have to a stick six oranges in your pants. When you walk around the office you do did. Did iheart come out with that. Yeah that's the policy we have now. I only have five. You have to have six or they send you home and there's like deborah people walk with oranges in their own. Yeah yeah next. Time you you're here you'll have check it out to come back to the office and there's a guy in front of the elevator and he can't s- it is a little creepy though. Yeah wow hope. He doesn't touch he's got. He's got to touch the oranges. Yeah but i mean it's it's it's a nonsensical zach any dopey micro managing the scant if not infinitesimal chance fully vaccinated. People are going to spread or get the virus. They're out of control with trying to reduce the risk. To a point with a become imbeciles. It's that stupid he these. I'm just shaking my head of this stuff. The risk is so infinitesimal is the word for it. Go look it up. you can't even say it. You put the risk under a microscope. You'd be able to see it. That's how tiny it is and mostly the very very few that exist our elderly people with shot immune systems people work in an office virtually zero last week. The way it's written here even ridiculous last week. These the seven member board there seven of seven. You show board seven people up for hours last them up. I don't even know who they are. And what's good idea. We gotta put names to this insanity. I think we got some nominees for tomorrow's dumpster. Yeah maybe we should put the whole board in there. Is it dumpster. Cal osha board. Yes they doubt about them. And then i'll go through this Ridiculous rundown so less than a week ago. They voted to recommend this stricter mask rule. Which as i said workers in a room can only be maskless if everyone inside is fully vaccinated and it says here did not have covid nineteen symptoms but the board was divided. They voted initially to reject that proposal as a majority of members seemed inclined to go further and relaxing face covering requirements. But then they hobbled together this compromise and they voted to advance the standards crete. Oh my god create a subcommittee to work on revenge you people really milwaukee but that sparked outcry from business leaders and others who thought the cal osha proposal from ask. Requirements was too confusing and contradictory to the standards that were issued by the state department of public health. So the board voted last night to rescind that proposal which was supposed to go infect tuesday. That means the dax aid. Workers will still need to mask up at workplaces until june twenty eighth. Because they're going to meet again on the seventeenth admit they decide to let vaccine. People go maskless in the workplace. You can't do it until june twenty eighth. Did you figure that out what the what the hell are they doing. Because there's always a lag period after they decide something. I don't know why. Why are we not all wide open now and a month ago. What what's changing between now and the fifteenth. Don't what is today the ted. What's happening in the next five days and then it the twenty eighth. That's eighteen days from now. That's that's eighteen days from now all right so i've got you found them the cal osha board the board chair david thomas. He's the labor representative. He's with the council of laborers then. Chris lazarus hyphen davis president of the environmental quality organization. Sure she's attic. That i don't know the the union guys like fat face boob Then there's laura stock director of labor occupational health program at uc berkeley barbara. Burgle occupational health consultant. Uc san francisco professor. Emeritus david like a headache. David harrison and other labor representative of them nothing. None of them have medical backgrounds. It sounds like the role just labor representatives. Yeah i'm looking at cal osha board. But i'm trying to health and safety trying to see who's who's a doctor here. Nobody seems to have a doctorate by the way. Pushing them to continue masks in the workplace largest organization pushing. Did you know this is a close california nurses association. But don't they understand medicine. No here's the quote showing up for work. You can earn a paycheck and support yourself and your family is not the same as deciding whether or not to go to a sunday backyard barbecue choice and we must remain safe kids. Great nurses don't even understand medical science. Nola kennedy is another one. Yeah professor at cal state northridge. Uh oh she was a manager of industrial hygiene at drucker health a manager of industrial hygiene. Well that's the idea of i. She's a member of the american industrial hygiene association and the california industrial hygiene council. That must be one hell of a convention every year old. She's what do they get together. Like scrub each other tape crawford a management representative christine and eric descript for seniors. Shoop executive officer. And it's like all these this is mostly it's almost all women only two guys in. They're both labor representatives. Oh my god this is like every bit resumed. yeah thank. They're all like like you're irritating. Mother-in-law save their the kitchens dot clean enough. They're going in the dumpster tomorrow. Yeah i think so. come back. The elsa godot times ways in again on the venice homeless with an extensive interview with the dope. Mike bonded will get into it next john and ken. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt. Ken chiampou kfi am six. Forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. monday handles back in the morning. Gary and shannon back from ten. To two i am looking through the california board. That is still can't decide whether you need to wear a basque at work or not. You sound sick you okay. I have a little cold. Yes oh crap. Yeah yeah coke. Check for covid. Cova broke through the vaccine. Do you believe it. How did you get a cold because why you're running into all sorts of mobs unmask people again. I i've been out again. Yes they're going out. See somebody gave you an infects right. See the power of the man. People might not have gotten that cold. People are shaking. Hands again aren't you washing your hands after you shake hands with somebody or use year old in the last year. I just don't know any right there as soon as they shake my cable. Then you go out ties your hand and rubbed over their face to and cannon iron sick you're okay but you're both crazy well. We're not going to be coughing. And hacking the covington visiting you in there today. Oh look at that. I don't wanna get a quarantine. You've turned so quickly. You know. John i love you. John and i don't wanna get cold. I haven't had a cold over year. Well you would have gotten it. I've had this this tuesday. Nobody no look at that. So you're probably you know. I can tell by your voice today but otherwise you know. It's it's peaking today or you're not coughing it because that always comes near the end not yet. Oh you have. The most wretched coughed was killed. Yourself one year old. That was smashed your head or so. 'cause i gotta version of the corona virus when i went to thailand. That's why that explains a lot. That was entirely different from a normal code that we've been getting these texts or emails. I forget which there's like bashed. His hat fell from coughing. Yeah because i did. I had such a violent coughing fit. I either have to balance. I either hit myself in the head with my ipad which knocked me out or i collapsed and slammed my head on a wooden dresser. Wow one of the two. But i woke up into blood. Blood was gushing enemy. I so you're saying the calico board. Okay these are all hygiene fanatics here. None of them are doctors. They all supposed to be about workplace safety not just doesn't accidents and stuff like two guys who are union goons and then the women are all involved in the hygiene industry. Here's another one chris. Slashes davis past president of the american academy of industrial hygiene the california industrial hygiene council and. That's different from one of the other women. I described before industrial hygiene. Okay that would mean a senator result place. What kind of person gets into germ scrubbing and talks about it. All day goes to conferences. Get a breeze in helping people people safe. But it's people with with massive germ phobic. Psychosis could be what that would attract people with a certain fascination with terms. Here's another woman barbara burgo. She's got a program that focuses on cycle social work factors in hotel room cleaners psychosocial psychosocial. This stuff is not even in english. What is a psycho social. Work factor in in hotel room cleaners day laborers and taxi. Drivers channel is just how clean day laborers are. These are the nitwits life in the workplace. Right yeah you lucky to be in the room where susie just you and me. Your own human riffraff comes back cubicle areas. There that were gonna by the way. Yeah people are coming back. I came out of the elevator today. Oh in that foyer area right now. Reeked of pot smoke. I don't know who's working here. Who got stoned for lunch with those wild. Oh i don't know what that was and it was a couple weeks ago and it went down to the garage same thing. It was a cloud of pot. Smoke down there. What's going on around the elevator a couple of months ago. Oh god i went to pandemic back so bad. we'll tell you what. Pass that colt onto everyone. So they have to stay home. I am. I'm going to walk around. And i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna rub germs on that elevator. So take my burgers pop. People don't come back so so we already announced tomorrow will be the calo board. It'll be a seven of them. Maybe three eight of house. There's eight of them. Yeah where five. Six seven eight about. Nobody even talked about them to. We got closer to june fifteenth. And i guess someone said who what about the workplace. Well that would be cal. Otas call even though we already had the stupid state department of public health but the the workplace butts a separate agency that determines the rules there. None of the doctors none of none of are doctors. They're just they're just hygiene people. Well the elsa gun dough times ran a special this morning there cracked reporters benjamin or 'scuse and doug smith guess what they did. After spending weeks reporting on the homeless crisis in venice they sat down with councilman bike. Baden a nearly two hour interview and you know you read the in now give you the overview first before we get into specifics. But it's mike von the usual treadmill. It's intolerable. it's out of control but we're working on it. We're working on these plans. There's zones we're going to try to counsel people and guess people into housing and it's going to happen and the question is well people want to know what's the day that it happens and venice starts to look like it did years ago. I can't give a day back on the treadmill. Yes and you spin around and around with him like you're a couple of gerbils you go in circles. You get dizzy reading this but you came out right at the top because we mentioned this several times before they did ask him well. Are you planning something like the cleanup at echo park lake. He was ready for this one. Venice beach is much different than echo park lake. Even if i was predisposed to do this echo park lake style predisposed. It's really hard to do for a couple of different reasons that are logistical. It's freaking huge. It would be logistically. Impossible close off the entire thing as they did for a couple of months and echo park now. We don't have to do that. no you. just have to clear the velcro. Okay okay i. This is the thing this is. Where he lies in deceives. And benjamin or arrestees and doug. Smith aren't bright enough to see what he's doing here. What they did there was millions of dollars worth of damage done to echo park lake. Yes billion dollars damage. And and so. That's why they closed it because it went through extensive renovation. You don't have to extensively renovate venice beach yeah. He claims that twenty two years ago. They did spend fifteen million renovating the boardwalk. But it's just a boardwalk and when i look at the videos of that mob you just remove the tents and tarps and the people you're right you don't need to do a closure. It may take a few days to shovel up all the poop. But then he's like well then you're going to have to have security because if they come back right you have to close it off. They don't come back and just camp the next day you get the police or the security police the area. That's what you do. That's what we're paying taxes for and notice. He says it's freaking huge. So he's trying to tell everybody. I don't think i can get this done. It's too big. Of course he let it become way too big. That's his fault his responsibility his incompetence. Secondly it's not that big you you you could. You could send the police in there. You close off both ends of the boardwalk and start marching people out. Well let me give have to carry their their all their garbage with them. So it's not that hard than anybody. What was the situation a little over a year ago. They closed all the pieces in la. County i live. They closed the entire strand and they kept people off for weeks and fortune to transmission of covid. A we got a pro. How did they do that. No it was easy. I remember my wife. And i snuck onto the beach but you know what most people comply well. You could argue that. The vagrants aren't like most people they'll try to sneak back in those they will. But that's what we're paying for we're paying for We're paying for police and security to chase them off and just keep doing that. And then they'll get the message and give up but you know what this thing about zones. He's trying to clean it up zone by zone. It's ridiculous and he's trying to take credit because well we cleaned up the handball courts. You know there was a group that lobbied him for months before he did it. The handball court the handball courts. Yeah that took forever just to clean those up and then we moved to the skate park in volleyball court. No he's he's so infuriating. I will get you a bike. Baden to our activity with the times reporters. They kill themselves at the end of the interview. They didn't really ask any tough questions. Open ended. I know constituents blame you for conditions on the boardwalk. What do you say to that. People say your critics say john and ken. Kfi and comes back. monday morning. Gary and shannon return to ten. Am six forty five everywhere on the iheartradio app. The john and ken show. We've been through this view that city councilman mike. Von the man who's responsible for venice the part of la that's really been overrun by vagrants. It has become a national and international story. It's been covered everywhere. Because when people see the encampments their their jaws drop these are people in other parts of the country that are familiar with l. a. and b. familiar with venice beach but they can't believe what they see and mike bond in this interview. They spent two hours with them. These two elsa gutierrez reports will just call mohan larry. They don't press him. No just open ended questions. It's benjamin arrest him to once again. As i say get on the treadmill pontificate do as usual dance. Which is basically this. We're working on it. We're making progress and just be patient. That's it by the way i heard had enough of act. I heard this speech over two years ago twice. Only twice at somebody's home. They hosted abondoned for Local people in the neighborhood and then in a synagogue where there was about two hundred people. I've heard this. It's the same speech he gives over and over again he he never does anything and everything keeps getting worse. He is a liar. He's completely insincere noticeably followed through on. He doesn't even know how to do it. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. If you actually go through this line by line you start getting dizzy nauseous. But there's nothing of substance there. it's jackson bits. Yeah things have changed. I think there's definitely more addiction in the homeless population. Dennis and i think saint joseph's center will tell you this more issues with mental illness. Really look at that. You're really for him. That's probably a lot to admit you just discovered that these vagrants are mentally ill and drug addicted. Because he believes they're just priced out by the capitalist system in housing. You see that rules that govern these decision making yeah ninety nine point nine percent of the people. No that's false. But it's this little sliver of stupid noisy activists at the lack a date for when no camping will be enforced. On the boardwalks makes it hard for some of the constituents to back. What you're doing here comes the dance not going to give one into all. The resources are in place and i can be confident about it. The one thing that would be worse than the current situation would be for me to pick an arbitrary date and not deliver on it. Will well echo park lake. They picked the date and time and they clean the vagrants out. And that's what you have to do. We pass those billion multibillion dollar propositions a few years ago. Oh my god yeah. There's there was about three billion dollars in propositions with measure h h h h. Yeah you know so what what are you talking about. The money is probably already spent blown. If i'm not mistaken i know. Sheriff waiver was on fox news this morning and i think he coined are term for that the homeless industrial complex. Think he used that. That's what it is to explain to them. How the money gets gobbled up by the bureaucracy. All the nonprofits and all the people that they hire all the management the alleged do-gooders suck up all the money and salaries and overhead. The nothing changes. The homeless nonprofits are largely fake their parasitic bloodsuckers. They suck off the tax money. They give themselves big salaries and complicated. Titles they get off the street and the city and the county have huge government bureaucratic versions of these nonprofits. Were they give themselves big salaries large staffs they get nobody off the street. We can all see. It's got worse. It's a scam a racket. They're criminals but a whole lot of them are criminals in another part of the interview. Baden's trying to explain how he's lining up the housing. Well we have the ramada inn. And i think. I'll get some money for shared housing venice. I think it'd be like sixty. Three beds yeah sixty three got two thousand vagrants there. Yeah well he gives me a percentage of from not taking your housing remember. He did this on channel five. I think a couple of weeks ago. yeah we got a motel. It's got people yeah. We got thirty three rooms there and then we have. The shelters got forty four beds over there. It's great that's seventy seven. And now he's got sixty three beds at the ramada inn and this is what he does in order to give give himself a talking points like well. Yeah luckily got the ramada inn opening up there got like i'm not doing nothing you see. I got something going on here but no we can't close the whole thing down and get everybody out until lined up everything which could take thirty years patient. So you don't have to line everything up you don't y- vienna wave is identified the empty hotels and motels that have already gotten tax money. And the bed's empty he's already identified empty city and county own buildings that you could fill with with emergency beds. All you have to do is offer them a bed. By a cot folded we tots at our house. We have two cats sixty nine dollars each. Get a sixty nine dollars. Kat but in an empty office and say okay you buddy down there face down your vomit. Come in here. And if he doesn't want it you make you make them leave your it's all you have to do. Your kind of the niamh because the courts are kind of requiring that. I'm just telling people you've got to be responsible for your own life move on. We'll keep moving your on. You've got to do something about your housing. It's not my job at my response. I agree. I agree but for one of these bastards tried to sue. That's what that's what we have to just offer bed. That's all you have to do. We'll all the judges at make. Those died coming up next. We're going to talk to a man whose dog was severely injured by a homeless encampment. Dog i believe it was a pit bull that mauled this little yorkie. He'll tell us the sad story coming up next. John and ken show debra mark has the news. Kfi am six forty.

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"They friends armstrong. And getty. Here and mike. Lindell the inventor and ceo of my pillow wants to give back to our listeners. You can get great discounts on all my pillow products right now. Mypillow dot com click on the radio listener. Special get deep discounts on my pillow mattress toppers towels and much more. For example. mike is offering a buy one. Get one offer on giza dream. Sheet sets the best sheets. You'll ever own go to mypillow dot com. Click on the radio listener square and use the promo code getty. That's mypillow dot com. Use the code getty broadcasting live from the abraham lincoln radio studio the george washington broadcast center. Jack armstrong and getty strong match armstrong and getty from studio c is in europe. You know what it is. It's dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the armstrong and getty communications compound. It's thursday trashes do for me. And they were under the tutelage of our general manager. Little thursday the jury jury in the derek chauvin trial couple of quick deliberating sessions than they brought the hammer. Now have they come forward and talk to anybody. i suppose. At some point they'll do interviews or something Write a book or ask. Somebody might do. An oprah special. I hope not. Have you heard any interviews from any the jurors on how they came to their decision or what it was like during not a syllable. Yeah i think probably keeping our heads down. I think it's a smart thing to do. I would. I certainly would yup out well. So that's over nor is it knits over of discussing what it means what it doesn't mean but most of it's just Gum flapping. i think it's an individual case in which The police acted very poorly guy. Policemen got what he deserved. And i don't know that it has any greater meaning that we received an email which i will share with you in mailbag in the next segment that i think is one of the best summer i've ever heard of the whole thing and it's like two sentences long. It will stay tuned for that. Would you the whole. I'm sure we have nancy pelosi where she talks about. God bless you. George floyd in all you've done and everything like that it was. It was a career criminal who You know if you have enough interactions with the police. You're going to have some bad ones The policemen still guilty doesn't get to do that all kinds of wrong but don't be a career criminal would be one life lesson from the whole thing. There are plenty of people. Say it was a nice fellow real nice fella who was a pretty good life when he when he died but the idea that he's some sort of paragon and hero when we should worship him he should become something like a saint is an odd idea. I wanna i wanna make it completely cleared. The police were wrong. I think chauvinism murderer. That was awful. What he did to george floyd but george floyd was a nice guy. These passing bad money high on crazy drugs. A heck of a way to spend your evening man right. No i hear you and went to prison. Seven times to armed robberies. I believe is a story so that doesn't make you a great guy. I don't remember you went down. Seven times Seven times convicted. Or what candace. Sit on tucker last night. I can to verify that she's usually factually correct. Yeah i wish. We'd look at all these cases individually if you wanna make some sweeping narrative and you find sweeping narrative that works it's fine but like npr this morning Who said and wild trial was going on. Many more people of color were shot dead by police. Yahoo you like to go through them individually. Because they're each individually different some of them. We're going to need more information on whether or not the police wrong. Some of them. It looks like we got a lot of the information and the police were absolutely in the right and nobody seems to disagree with it. So don't lump them all together with some like. Since with some sort of narrative that does work you know nothing about building progressive narrative. Sir you can't fats are you kidding. Me facts are an impediment. They're a handicap their a boulder to be climbed over and you can vaporize that folder let boulder by merely pretending that they're all the same. It's like a magic power. One of the interesting things was Chauvin the murderous cop writing phone number on the palm of his hand. Sophie ended up going to the jail which he did. He'd have the number Lawyer to call. Is that the way you do it. You have to write it on your hand. If you don't have it on your hand your luck alley. They strip you down and take all your stuff. He's a cop he knows more about it than i do. But yeah you'd think he could go ahead and get that number of his lawyer though or you can't have a business card in your pocket or something maybe hit it off with the court reporter. She gave him her. Digits might've my favorite non serious part of the day. Yesterday was oj simpson weighing in on twitter. We'll have to play that later. It's absolutely unbelievable. I almost can't even take that. I mean i just having followed that trial and seen the crime photographs. I still have. I still always like fifty fifty incredibly amused incredibly sickened. Every time he weighs in on something like you enjoy it on whatever level you can phone. We'll get to that how. 'bout we promise this hour. We'll get to that because it's worth hearing the shore absolutely not a great stuff and not wallowing in the The chauvin trial. No bring you what you need to know my mind. It's mostly over. And what's there to say i don't. I don't know if there is a sweeping narrative It's teamwork makes the dream work. I'm sure they knew that in the jury room. And that's why we do it here at a reason for us to introduce everybody including our technical director michelangelo pressing buttons flipping toggles pulling levers higher. This morning michael doing good Yesterday i was driving home right as the verdict was about to be read and i got inside just in time to turn it on. I turned on fox or one of the cable news channels and they read it and then all of a sudden click. My wife turns it off. She goes kay. You heard the verdict. That's enough now. But it was funny because she had a good point. She's all i want to sit here and listen to everybody. Wallow way meal and her she used to get really stressed out by news says she basically has given up on it For the most part she all. I know a little bit quite a few people like that. Michael yes so she said. I don't want you getting caught up in that. We're gonna talk about this all afternoon so just turn it off. You know what happened to them. My youngest son takes in the stress of other people which is a terrible thing to do with your life Weaking find a way out of it but if if people on tv seem stressed out. At stresses out. Yeah i. I've got a little bit of that me too. I've had to become hardened. There's positive sean who smiled five. Sorry before we get to sean michael. Yeah i've got to tell that woman. I'll watch what i want woman. I did down there as well on your hand. Like derek chauvin in the phone on the sean sean who's Smiles something or other. How are you doing quite well Pulling back the radio curtain a little bit in the in the industry there are things known as teases right. These are the things that often at the end of the segments will be coming up there blah blah blah keeper. Sometimes you know in the improvisational jazz nature. That is That his radio. they're not always playing out. But good news. I secured some in box for us. These are these are evergreen. We can use these this tease anytime. We need to and it is guaranteed to get people to stick through the break. Here it is. We'll be right back with share boom show. Do you believe in love how come on now. Who got a great show for you tonight. My guest is share. yes i live. Twelve guests cancel zachary gut field. That's bear that's cold berroa. Colbert back with share. Oh around what will honey put the dinner on a back burner. Wait a minute all. Wow i'm jack armstrong. He's joe getty on this. It is wednesday april twenty first the year. Two thousand twenty one we armstrong and getting. We approve of this program sunny. I'd stay tuned for share. Not so much all right. Let's begin the show officially now according to fcc rules regulations zero at at mark and and criticized what they were saying when they claim later on that they meant pretty much. What nexium warren net. So you would think. These politicians could communicate a lot better than evidently. They've been doing in any event. We got the nfl draft coming. We have more on his twitter speculation. Got it so terrible so everyday. When i do the date i lately. I've been hesitating to see if it's some special date because we missed a good one like a week or ago so today is wednesday. So that's nothing april four four. Two one is nothing back in march. We missed a day where it was the fourth day in the third month. Oh three hundred twenty two one. That will never come back again. Coming up share. Look oh it's better than share quite good like i said very eloquent analysis of the jovan drive. I suppose your thoughts on the verdict if you have a text line four one. Five two nine five k. ftc her the armstrong and getty show short the world. Talk about now that this is over. Move on to figure that out for you. Yeah yeah quite a bit. I wanna get today to speak for myself. But yeah the national story. The particularly the national object of scorn ridicule fake. Outrage should narrative building the rest of it. We'll have to see sean. Do you have that. Oj clip panties. Still the one that you just played my buddy mike. The lawyer just pointed out. oj's tweet sort of had. The same feeling format is vin scully when he was doing the socialism rant anyway oh to anyway what they were saying when they claim later on that they net pretty much neck. Seen warm so you would think these politicians could communicate a lot better than evidently they've been doing in any event we got the nfl draft coming is very similar anyway. Anyway but with more history of murdering people never be headed to people that we know of nat we know of mailbag your freedom loving quoted today from oliver wendell holmes a junior the great supreme court justice. Go with this one. I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believed to be fraught with death unless they again so imminently threatened. Immediate damage to the country with an immediate check is required. Of course you know. The argument of the snowflakes is that you've created an unsafe space. I'm literally being physically threatened by you saying things i don't like so. They've tried to twist that principle. Don't let them nick san jose rights. Have you heard ted. nugent recently. Came down with the terrible cases of covid ted nugent. Got the bat stretch fever. I know can't believe it didn't occur to me yesterday. That's pretty obvious and good rating reading about the terrible ted. How old is ted. He's probably the age group where you gotta be pretty worried about getting gay. He's in his seventies. yeah. I also was reading that he has been a way out there. Cova denier and anti vaccine vaccine. Yeah yeah yeah sorts of stuff. He said he's sick sicker than he's ever been right now. We wish him a speedy recovery. i do not yearn for vengeance against people who are wrong. I don't wish them speedy recovery or a slow recovery or anything. I don't i just don't think about ted nugent. not even when you're doing the mobile ouango to tango Dance this meam along. Seven-year-old girl shot and killed while waiting in mcdonald's drive-thru with her father. Where's black lives matter. Ten to hundreds of times more young black people die at the hands of gang violence than di danza police. If you really wanted to save the most lives you would be out there. Campaigning against gang violence but the marxist phonies the scammers at the head of black lives matter. They're just making lots of money foles. Let's see our rights little nerdy here but in math. This is the fairly eloquent. I said it was very quick analysis of the chauvin. Tro al rights little nerdy here but in math zero divide by zero is undefined. It can be the answer you want. I feel the same is true in the derek. Chauvin george floyd case. You have a bad example of a police officer and a bad example of a citizen to zeros. The story can be spun to be whatever you want a bad cop restraining and murdering a fine citizen or a drug addict resisting arrest dying of a drug overdose. If we focus on the worst society will obviously be outrageous. So i guess that's why it's reported the most find me a non zero on either end and i'll get outraged. One non zero to me would be. If you don't have a cell phone video of this or a couple. Does he get away with it. Yes yeah i think so. I said i read it earlier. This morning that Without the video this would be a one paragraph item in the minneapolis star tribune. Yeah i've got the original report from in minneapolis police. And it's a lot different than the video Yeah yeah i've heard that. Let's see moving long. Adam writes first of all he wants to. He says some really nice things about the show. Shout out to positive sean. Michelangelo for their contributions. To the hilarious yet thoughtful content i i got an email from corporate overlords notifying me. The workforce That the woke re education training is on the way sometime. You've mentioned a website that has material stand up to this kind of indoctrination. Would you kindly added to. The website mentioned it on the show again. Email back if possible if you still remember it. Thanks all three. We will post it at armstrong and getty dot com under hotlinks. I swear i was going to remember it. it is. it's tatham tang it. what's it hang on. we'll get it to you. I actually emailed them back. Because i remembered it was frustrating senior moment. I'll come up with or somebody whispered in my ear. widgets ellen. Pluck rose something support dot com anyway moving along justin writes offshore chauvin immediately stood up and put his hands behind his back upon the verdict. Being read at the direction of the bailiff. Imagine where we'd be had. George floyd done the same well. Derek chauvin was freaking out from a drug overdose. Either say oh and then we got this. Got this from a cop Al now domestic cop. He was thinking he says. My wife. And i have talked about what would happen if i died in the line of duty. We've never talked about. What would happen if i ended up in prison and as a mental exercise last night he imagined it was. I'll just read. I imagined it was my last night before i went to prison. It's an exercise. I did for myself. Couldn't let my wife and kids on on the hypothetical on it. My wife cooked an amazing dinner. Kids singing school songs. Playing with their spaghetti wine tasted sweeter. As i took my kids in for bed. I imagine it was my last time doing so. Not because i was shot during a traffic stop which is always possible. But because i made a mistake or perceived mistake tried not to cry during this hypothetical exercise but in all came out i was balling. I can't even imagine and says his attitude about his job has changed completely. He is just looking for low risk. Low risk low risk. It's too dangerous legally to be a cop now. I don't think show in many mistake. But if you use the example of the woman who grabbed her tasers set are gone You know if that was indeed a mistake. Yes i might do. Jail time and that website folks sorry counterweight support dot com strong and getty aprons. Protecting your home really matters. There are thousand reasons. Why protecting your home should matter and for me. It's the security of my family and just kind of knowing what's going on when i'm not there with the ring video doorbell you can see and speak to. Whoever is at door from anywhere. it's very handy. 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There is a shortage of garden gnomes because of all materials being hard to come by and the recent blockage of the suez canal contributing to the national shortage. That's right everyone knows. The suez is the global garden gnome. Superhighway eighty percent of the world's known supply. Move through the suez. But i bet not one of you took this crisis seriously until your gardens. Lost their whimsey play the full. Oj simpson tweet Next segment it's worth hearing it just from a standpoint of what's going on in this guy's head is mostly what the it's all about. I think it was positive. Sean who said he may be the least room reading person in the world. Damn we don't wanna hear anything from you. Oj ever again. So an opinion piece in the washington. Examiner from somebody when masks are not medically necessary wearing them as nothing but an artificially virtuous display only furthers anxiety for other people okay and then the atlantic with a long piece about will. Their headline is our outdoor mask. Mandate still necessary. Atlantic is not necessarily a right leaning publication. As you should know right yeah. Governments need to give americans off ramp to the post pandemic world ending outdoor mask requirements would be good place to start any state that does it of course gets killed by Nandor thal you. So i'll read this writer derek thompson from the atlantic. I thought it was pretty clever. Last week i covered by nose and mouth with close fitting fabric like a good citizen and walked to a restaurant in washington. dc where. I d masked patio table to greet a friend. I sat with my chair facing nansen watch. Dozens of people perform the same ritual removing a mask. They'd worn outside in alone. It seemed like the most normal thing in the world until suddenly it seemed very weird. The corona viruses most transmissible in poorly ventilated indoor spaces. There are studies that show the transmission nineteen times higher inside than outside. That's why marrying a mask. Inside is so important but not really important outside at the restaurant however i saw an inversion of this rule person after person who dutifully worn a mask on the uncrowded street alone took it off to sit still in close proximity to friends and frequently inside. I felt like i was watching. People put on their seatbelts in parked cars. Then unbuckled them just as they put the vehicle and drive. You know points off for this guy just realizing this because we've been saying this for months. It's it's patently idiotic. But he's right presser. Weird a bit of weirdness should be expected rising vaccinations in burgling variants. Make for an awkward transition period in which it's legitimately confusing to know when masking is unnecessary inconsiderate act and when it's more epidemic epidemiology do from epidemiology standpoint. It's no more protective than say wearing a hat Oh that reminds me. My band burgling variant civil rehearsing tonight. I got. I gotta set aside time for that. We all play. it's different The which the different sizes of maracas is that mainly will naturally of course all the same size maracas please With few known instances of are you ready to marach is what we say to the shows. I like it. Thank you Please go on. This is a very long piece. But i'll just throw in a little bit more with With a few known instances of outdoor transmission sweeping mask requirements only served undercut the authority of public health officials and bolstered the case of maschen vaccine skeptics. Because it's hot ick yes. Getting beyond the pandemic in the united states will require a portfolio approach that combines. Hard science with soft persuasion. There is going to be. There's going to need to be people like your joe biden's or your governors or whatever saying look wearing a mask in this situation is not necessary if you're vaccinated and you're outside. There's no need to wear a mask. Well hell if you're not vaccinated and you're outside. There's really no no real reason to wear a mask. Well yeah and that that is not only for the mass square. But it's for the other people so that they don't freak out every time they see somebody without a mask. Yes the only way. We're going to transition out of this. Otherwise you know people are going to be angry depending on where you live quite angry if you without a mask anywhere. Has there been a mask related murder yet. I can't was early on. Wasn't i tend to forget these things have. Why am i going to dwell on the horror but for some reason. I don't remember if there's a murderer beating. Oklahoma guy wanted to. Yeah tried to get somebody to wear masks at the shore o. That's right employees of story at just ridiculous an awful but it will also be ridiculous and if you're a ordering me to wear a mask what i'm fully vaccinated right right. You know. it's funny. You should bring this up because i had this cage. Tv in the san francisco bay area had this piece When when should california lifted outdoor mask mandate and as usual with the state of kelly unicorn. My reaction is there was an outdoor mask. Mandate didn't look like it to me. When i was at the park this weekend. You can go anywhere you want. It doesn't look like it so again. The very question is a head scratcher but it varies so much from person to person and i wonder who will be the last massacres. I see out there. But i. But i saw a thirty year old dude riding a bicycle with his. You know in the tour de france close on that some bike riders field any wearing a mask while he's doesn't understand science unless he has a terribly compromised immune system probably ought to wear a mask three hundred and sixty five days a year for the rest of his life but that is actually have another study of people's attitudes and beliefs about the covid and some related stuff based on who they voted for it. That is so interesting. Goes a little beyond what we've already talked about but untangling of this is going to be interesting to watch. Oh yeah absolutely and particularly complicated. Because there's been so much silly misinformation from the authorities. They've lost their authority. So anyway get someplace the other day. And i had to sign something and they said wait. Wait let me get you a disinfected pen. And they said we don't have any disinfect. Pins hold on a second. They turned around and they went and got a pen and some disinfectant and they got a a wipe and wiped it all off and it took like a couple of minutes and there and waited. I didn't say i'm not the least bit worried of getting cova from penn and i've had at least one shot i just saw the i actually have. I've said the guy was rummaging around for a disinfected pan. I said just give me that one. It's fine anyway So they make the point in this keijo article California makes progress in the fight against covid nineteen. The discussion is growing over. If or when it might be time to ease the state's outdoor mask mandate if like never please and they actually reference the slate in the atlantic asking. If it's time to do the same thing in israel outdoor mask mandate lifted over the weekend and listen to this local bay area. Health experts are conflicted says. Us university california's san francisco infectious disease. Expert dr george rutherford. No no absolutely not at this point in time when we actually still have a lot of people unvaccinated and still twenty five hundred cases in california new cases. A day in california. It seems to be a prudent thing to continue and then he thinks israel's lifted their mandate prematurely but another infectious disease specialist at the same university. Says yes it's time to reconsider them outside thing she says there's a lot of data especially over the last six months that show us that. The risk of transmission is very low. There was a study from ireland. That looks at about one. In one thousand transmissions occur outside as opposed indoors when we know there's a lot more droplets a lot more transmission so in this setting decrease in cases and confidence in the vaccine. Yeah it's time to lift the outdoor mask mandate and this particular. I assume lefties theory on it. And i think he's absolutely right is outdoor mask mandates. Also turn people off from obeying better rules. And that's the problem all bad laws all bad laws A we can you know good laws and because you just get in the habit of deciding for yourself what's what's okay and what's not so. Get rid of the silly outdoor mask mandates and you'll probably get more compliance with the real Things that we actually need to do. Yeah i would agree complete. That makes great sense to me. Yo unenforceable laws. Lower the respect for all laws clearly idiotic laws the lead the cynicism the argument that scientific survey that shows voters across the political spectrum in what they believe was so interesting. We'll get to that now or two. If you can't be here for it grab it via the podcast later today at armstrong and getty dot com or wherever. You grab podcasts. I like this guy's writing the argument that outdoor mask mandates create a warm and fuzzy feeling of social solidarity solidarity confuses a personal definition of etiquette. I think i think by mask makes everybody feel safe to the public defensive population wide laws. Everybody should wear a mask everywhere. Because it's the only way to make everybody feel safe fitting all things together as interesting an- yeah. Yeah plus the craze of feeling safe and the minute you feel the slightest bit unsafe making a speech or weeping bitter tears over it or crying out to the administration at your college or whatever that you should feel one hundred percent safe and an challenged all the time but can can we. Please get rid of that. I would feel unsafe. I was dating. Oj simpson's ex-wife and had been driving. His cool car was over at his wife's house. Yes oj simpson for some reason. Decided he needed to tweet out about the trial yesterday before the verdict came down. If you haven't heard this it's a doozy the armstrong and getty show. I certainly feel like you. And i sure it was true for anybody over the age of thirty five forty. That yesterday was the first time since the oj trial you'd had felt the whole country was waiting for a verdict to come down That the end moment it was announced that it's going to come down. It's got to everybody who's running around and talking to each other and looking at the phones and the rest of it yeah. I don't know if it was lost or wasn't lost on oj. Simpson the person that was being charged with murder in that case way back in the day that we were all comparing this to tell if well i don't know different perspective on it that the rest of us let's He polls now show that the vast majority americans including blacks believe he is a murderer right probably because he is Anyway he tweeted this out yesterday before the verdict came down. Hurry the world's yours truly well today. We can't get away from this chauvin derek chauvin case And hopefully we'll get a verdict soon You know when. I first thought my first reaction as i said as i thought it was a classic case of depraved indifference. I thought it was unnecessary for forest and no matter what side you're on i think everybody would pretty much agree that we jump in there. I'm sorry let me try to close my mouth now hanging open. Oj simpson jumping in. When i saw it was to me a classic case of depraved indifference. Well he's up on. legal terminology. Says the guy who cut heads off. Yeah yeah i. I don't know where to start up. And so is he is. He's so crazy about this whole thing that like. He doesn't even connect the two he doesn't even see that. I think it's part of his self delusion honestly because at no point during this couple couple minute tweet. Does he say in my trial. I mean he doesn't. He doesn't like wink. At the fact that you know i was in a high profile murder trial. I was a participant. Probably the most famous murder trial of all time. It doesn't connect that at all. I don't think he can psychologically. He is deluding himself into thinking he did not kill those people. I believe that keeps him saying deluded himself into believing the trial never even occurred now. I just think it's too painful to think about it gets him too close to the removal of the duluth talking about a merger if you're oj simpson and not mention your i. I just think it's so interesting that i was going to say this is oj. Second act is a cultural commentator. But i think it's his fourth act sports hero crappy actor murderer now social commentator david meyer the guy for keeping the plugin keep plugging. Hey youtube yours truly. Yeah we know it's coming from your account to introduce yourself every time anyway back back to oj. I thought it was a classic case of depraved indifference. I thought it was unnecessary force. And no matter what side you're on. I think everybody would pretty much have to agree. That if those deputies and shaven would've gotten off of george floyd. That was no chance. George floyd was going to get up and try to run. There was no chance that he's going to get up and try to attack them. Handcuffed didn't seem to be his personality. it just seemed that the force was totally unnecessary. Seemed that the only problem was he has little problem with Claustrophobia i guess in the smallness of the back seat of that car would be pretty tough guy size to get into serb on a paddy wagon wise representative. Maxine waters is concerned. Oh here we go understood what she was saying. It was a call to arms not to necessarily physical arms but a calls to come out and in work in vote But she's understand her words matter and she got to be a lot clear in house he says them because you can't be critical of the other side during the insurrection when he was in get out and fight got include aside what they were saying when they claim later on that they pretty much what water net so humid think. these politicians could communicate a lot better than evidently. They've been doing new laws times in the previous sentence. O jackie buddy ramp up medicate a lot better than evidently they've been doing in any event. We got the nfl draft coming. This is behind this. I hope I do hope that there's some kind of verdict Of the conviction i think demand deserves it To what degree you gotta let the jury speak. It's the american way now. Now my girlfriend's son where your masks we'll do. Oj will wear a neck brace around you to every safe part the endo there should be some sort of conviction but it's up to the jury. It's the american way. So yeah you were involved in the most high profile case in the last five hundred years in the world. Why did i thoroughly enjoyed it. I thoroughly enjoyed to do it. How do you not reference that. That's just larry is. There could be a college class taught on that tape. I mean there's there's a dozen topics introduce their. I mean just about his psyche and it will all right to the. Nfl draft was one of the introduce their too. Yeah that's a good point How do you like the packers mid seventeenth position blah blah blah. All right oh. Oj crazy person fascinating look into the psyche of of human beings and how they can you know. Transform their memories to fit whatever they needed to fit to continue to function in life. Sure he had to reduce your psychological misery. I was just reading. More on how Memory memories change. That's one of the most disturbing things i've ever ever learned that our memories evolve in. There's nothing you can do about it really unless you just run document. Everything that happens to you with photographs. It's one of the reasons. Witness testimony is kind of questionable and trials anyway Speaking of athletics. And that sort of thing. I take care where you met all right. We'll do junior choose it's a workplace faux pas. But i've kicked off one of my my nike running shoes. I bought a pair of these shoes. And they're the best rank she has. I've ever had their incredibly comfortable there like wearing slippers. I mean the spectacular and so they're started wearing out. I bought another pair of the parameswaran today and they hurt my feet. They're just really uncomfortable. They pressing the follow my foot and away. This is terrible. I probably ought to throw them away all right now. I'm going to say. I'm going to say the same sentence twice. This is like the other day when we had. What was that. A a sense you could say seven different ways now so cool those fun anyway. I'm going to say this twice. I i hope complaining about my nike shoes doesn't get a chinese slave beaten or i hope me complaining about. These shoes doesn't cause a chinese slave to be beaten time. American corporations still doing business with the slavers and china's they lecture us never forget folks. See the new york. Times ran a piece shaming corporations that hadn't shamed georgia the other. Yeah i saw a piece today. Then about the first amendment applies to freedom of speech. And there's the freedom to not speak also and more companies need to invoke that and if enough do maybe it'll catch on to say we're invoking are a first amendment right to not weigh in on this topic we're gonna or just say we're gonna focus on her business. It's important to us. Y'all figure that out on that topic. A great letter from black leaders wanna review. Next and getty i'm kerry champion the host of a brand new podcast naked with carrie. Champion on the black effect podcast network. I'll be asking some of the greatest in sports and entertainment to remove the veil and give naked being naked on this podcast means describing life altering events and circumstances that helped shape who the person you love has essentially become naked with kerry champion is available now on iheartradio app apple podcasts over ever you the center podcast.

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"Pseudo chelsea with you here on. Espn this is greg's weekend song happy. I don't go to a country club. I think i could go to country club. That's funny that's funny. Sounds like a country club song. You got the windows down. You don't have a convertible but you wrote down all your windows manually. Of course i don't even have a sunroof so no that's the down. I'm excited look. This is my happy song. This song just gets up and like all right. This is a good day. I'm done it's the weekend. It is a happy song. I will give you that. I don't necessarily think of it as something. That's going to carry me into the weekend to each their own right. Laura sounds very skeptical. I gave it to me. I was like oh man. This is not a your weekend songs. This is my weekend tickets. Be happy going into the weekend designees. Did anyone happy lookout weekend. Because here i come. That's an actual song. That literally looks forward to the weekend with gregg. I'll thank you. Thank you so greg had a good idea. We also have some interesting news about the greek freak. That will get you. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. But greg got a good idea about the lakers in regards to kind of the way the league trends and that is by the way. Don't forget before. I get to that this hour. You can win your virtual key right because we're giving away a car. I forgot to mention that if you haven't heard already a million times but you should hear a million and one we are giving away a mazda. Cx five sport brand new twenty twenty one courtesy of our friends at culver city mazda and our friend sal gonzales. Every weekday day in the three o'clock hour mason ireland. We'll give you a road trip destination. Remember you have a good memory. You could be one of those waiters that never writes anything down and just remember it. It's a little easier than remembering people's orders either way in the five o'clock hour each and every weekday. Lci during this show will put out a cute to call with our friend. Sal gonzales when you're caller seven you then call in if you're caller seven with the correctness. The nation of the day road trip destination of the day you will win one of those virtual keys and one hundred dollars gift card to our friends at islands so it could happen in this next commercial break could happen in the one after that or the one after that. But it's very possible. It could be this one coming up or not. You'll have to tune in to find out. all right. so the lakers. And the greg. So greg mentioned that it is a copycat league. We can all agree on that sports in general or just a copycat. Do you remember when the two thousand ravens won with. Lewis and ed reed and all that and then it was like we gotta build on defense right like everyone wanted to be like the defensive team and then all of a sudden became the offensive revolution shortly thereafter so in the nba we saw that with the warriors the warriors they were the first legitimate team as a small bowl team. A i don't know do you think they're legitimate team or do you count like lebron wade and bosh. Because bosch wasn't a senator. I remember elsie your. You had admitted to me that you were like manet ain't never gonna win which was bosch center. And then they won and you were surprised like who gets credit for that does do the warriors get credit for that or does lebron. Those guys get credit for that for the small ball revolution for the small ball revolution. Man i think the warriors do because they one more because they they one more right and they also just played like a small ball team right even though he is not a center as a power forward he was still seven feet tall right there was whereas like six eight so i i do think that is accurate so anyway. Obviously that small ball revolution has taken over the league. And everybody's playing small solid so that the rockets put a six five center out there. Okay like college basketball team of sorts. And now greg wonders and i thought it was a good question to pose to you with the lakers. Playing big very big a lot of times. Do you believe that teams will go back to try to get some size and that will be the copycat revolution i don't. And here's why wilde. The lakers generally speaking play big. Certainly start big. We all know what the most efficient lineup is. Still small small fish and it's so instant less about the actual size per se and more about the skills and whether or not the skills and talent of wherever you roll out there can overcome the perceive you know deficiencies in this case died because our small ball has anthony davis right. That's why we keep winning. Because anthony davis is are small and are big ball. Lebron james is our small in our big ball. So when you're two best players works no matter what you decide to do. Offensively and defensively. It's really hard to overcome that right. They just ball ball. So it's like it's like lebron. James can be the quote unquote center of our small ball or anthony davis either way it goes. You can't take advantage of the lineup. Right speaking of small lineups the bucks place mall ball light up with a center janas in the news so jaanus in the family has been vacationing spotted in miami recently which obviously sparked all sorts of rumors. Not that there haven't been plenty of rumors to him for him to go there. They're one of three teams that everyone seems to think will be in on him Dallas and toronto being the others outside of a walkie so apparently now jaanus has fled. South florida and is in sweden at the moment and was met with Some sort of newspaper writer from stockholm and the swedish journalist alexander nielsen had this quote from janas about staying in milwaukee or leaving in milwaukee. Which way are you leaning janas. And he said quote. There are a lot of rumors everyone has opinions. But at the end of the day i will do. What's best for my. I do not see why. I could not be in milwaukee for several years as long as milwaukee fire on the same page when it comes to being one of the best teams in the league and winning championships. That's fine when it changes. It will not be good. It's easy. I wanna be a winner. As long as we can win and create a winning culture it will be good so the journalists asked him to your plants walking next year and then maybe signed an extension jaanus. I do not know what the plan is. It depends on what decisions they make if they make the right decision. I'll be there for many years if they do. Not we'll see the nba's business and we'll take a day to day. Hopefully we can succeed together. Man janas gone man. I listen and we've seen this where athletes go abroad and they forget. We know how to translate other newspapers and other languages. It happened to tony parker. A number of years ago. I remember it happened to monitor nobly once in argentina. It's i think it might have been. I don't know if it was margaret powell gasol but either way this has happened in the past and then this gets back to america. And they're like what are you talking about. You know what i mean like. We know how to translate. And that translates to. If you're milwaukee louis i mean the thing about janas that i think is overlooked when we talk about. His talent is his worldview and that he's a global figure and generally speaking global figures like being in global metropolises. That's where they're comfortable at correct. And i'm sure you know. He was happy thrilled to be an nba period caress. Milwaukee was great for him. but now that he's winning. Vp's and he's bona fide star and one of the faces of the league going forward. He's asking himself now. That i'm in the nba. What do i want most guys in his in his position. Coming in as rookies. They don't ask themselves. what do i want. They're just happy to be there. Yes he's not there anymore he's asking. What do i want and probably. What he wants is like a city. That's a city right. I wanna win a championship. And i want something that a place that i like living in right not to say that. He doesn't like the people walking because they're nice. People in wisconsin is but it's not. It's not for everybody from greece. I mean he likes warm weather water. Yes yeah it's kind of why. I think this toronto thing. Even though i know he respects a lot. I don't buy that either i. It's it's going to be dallas from miami. I think like the because look. I can see them. Wanna play with luca. That's for sure. Who the hell wouldn't toronto is. Is a legit international city. It is so there's that part of it too. They're they're they're legit but he'd probably going to get his son block and head to miami. I would think so too. I think it has to buy. He's got the same agent as bam is agreed to cyclists creek and he played for the yes. Yes he's following siamese footsteps yes overrun coming through. Finally all right coming up next. Is this the commercial break l. z. Where we will give away the virtual key. Do you think this is the one. I feel good about it. Oh you gotta stay due to find out but that's right. We do have called the number seven. Nfl by the from richard. By the sorry from anaheim. Do you have today's destination of the day palm springs. Yeah congratulations all right thank you. Have you been to palm springs before. I have excellent excellent. Well maybe you'll be able to take the car with you. Congratulations now let's see which ki- you get a dare. It is key number one. Woman newman own congratulations. Richard thank you so much. That virtual could be the one to start the twenty twenty one mazda c x five sport from culver city mazda on monday november thirtieth. That's what we're going to give it away. And for qualifying. We'll give you a hundred dollars gift card to island. So congratulations on that. Who eat thank you you got. You're very welcome. Now we want you to hold on. While lord get your information and thank you to island restaurants i in feature specialty burgers. Fresh cut fries. Tropical drinks great happy hour deals and who is in town. It is really cold. Don't forget. Listen monday in the three o'clock hour to mason and ireland so they can give you the destination of the day and then listen for the cuticle in the five o'clock hour here on this show for your chance to win. Just like richard by the hour there from anaheim. It is these seven ten. Espn month of been doing man feels good. It does feel good. I feel like this. What are we going to do on. The thirtieth are we. We're going to be like super excited on the thirtieth giveaway this car. I'll do. I'm going to die here all white and potentially i'm bob barker you get a brand new. Oh right so cool. So that's the deal. So again tune in monday mason ireland. The three o'clock hour in the five o'clock hour. That's how it works. You can potentially win that. The x five sport twenty twenty one sport from our friends at culver city mazda. And our pal gonzales. All right. so here's the deal. We were going to have mom on but momoh had a conflict. She came on to tell us. So she's going to join us at five fifty five okay so we will talk to momo at five fifty five about how she potentially saved sports and we will talk. Mba with her. Obviously at that point too. So l z. You and i know there are a couple of things i want to talk about with you number one. Did you like how i know. We've talked about this but we we're in a situation right now where college football just isn't working out and you thought laid it out perfectly. When we talked about this earlier in the season we have a situation. Where greg correct me if i'm wrong so ucla was gonna play utah here at the rose bowl and that game was canceled right right right and then cow was gonna play washington state and that was canceled just while answer just washington and that game was canceled so now cow is going to come to the rose bowl to play. Ucla at nine am on sunday because they need an extra day to prepare. Because it's a completely different opponent. So we've now seen. I think it's like five or six games this weekend canceled including alma. Lsu in the sec. Which is obviously a marquee match up for college football l. z. I understood the professional teams and the professional players. I totally got it. Okay you know. I get into pandemic but i right and particularly the nba. The nhl even major league baseball although we all know that ended strangely took certain precautions right when playing their games. Football has not now. The nfl has been able to truck along for the most part. But we're still very early in the nfl season. We're the halfway point college football. I never felt okay. And i said this a long time ago and i'm sure you had a similar sentiment. I just never understood colleges again. These athletic programs people would be fired. They would collapse athletic programs. There's gotta be a way to subsidize those athletic programs that subsidized that universities. For a long time you know what i mean. There had to have been away to figure that out and not put this at risk and to your point not kind of try to play. Connect the dots for a college football season. We've talked george since the beginning of sports returning about whether or not you know. A champion deserves. Asterix sugar in asterix. And we've countlessly said no no no asterix israel. This is red. Israel correct college. Football playoffs asterix asterix apostrophes semi colon and all the punctuation. Because what is this. What is this like throw teams and a hat pulled them out and then whatever to comes out. That's who face each other like it's so ridiculous and oh by the way prayers for our friend of the show in front of basically. The radio station has seventeen herm edwards. Got covid you've got covert as well so you know speedy recovery to him but this is what we're talking about. Unlike the other professional sports to your point george. The ncwa didn't have the courage to have a universal set of protocols. They left it to the individual conferences and conferences represent not just a sports but the cultures of the regions in which they are based right. And when you have that kind of diversity of thought all haphazardly being thrown into the same stu you're going to end up with goulash of a season and that's what this is and there's nothing wrong with goulash but goulash typically is made of a bunch of leftovers all thrown together with a whole bunch of sauce just to make it tastes the same. But it's not the same. He wasn't designed to be cohesive. And that's what we have right now. This is a goulash to stop pretending normal. Because it's not it's really really strange. Yeah i was with you. I will you know how much i love college. Football and i started to try to watch this past weekend. I did watch clemson. Notre dame and i saw you gaze. I watch the game which is exciting but yeah it just feels like not a point here. You know what i mean like. They're really because i i saw on. Espn dot com today. For example they already have a story. Like what do you do. Do you take a one loss. Notre dame team or undefeated usc team considering everything that's happened and transpired. And i'm like of course you take notre dame you know what i'm saying because it's like we don't even know if the pac twelve. The pac twelve had more cancellations than any of the major five conferences. We know if they're gonna be able to finish the damn season. I feel bad for the you know. Because i do. Yes tremendously one. They were told that. No one's playing and they love to play and here they are on the field but it still doesn't feel as if the adults in the room did everything they needed to do to ensure the safety and now they're canceling these these random games and i'm sure you know there's the watch games and who knows ending album mater. Western university had a great ending the other night. It's day and that's fine but you can't connect them. They're just isolated little games and there's notion that you are building towards as one big championship moment is false. Yeah we're not yeah honor percent. There's no question about it. All right coming up next you and i are going to tackle. What the hell is going on with the rams and the seahawks and what needs to happen for the rams to be able to capitalize here. What needs to happen in for the chargers to get back on the right track although they have been snake bit and even further. We'll tell you about the latest details. There and the raiders taken on the broncos. The raiders can't have a letdown. But could they be in store for one. We'll touch on all that coming up in just a second. Oh here we go. This gets you going for the weekend. If you've got a little latino blood sangay you know what they're talking about here. He about booty. I mean talk about a cow. Cows have booty. Laura assuming this is yours yes one hundred percent what. Why is this jam. I'm curious because you hear this at a party. And it's like you just gotta get up and dance everybody. It's like that twelve him memphis song like hear it and you're in white people though. Like swallow mente. Yeah i have another one. That i know you know so i'm gonna play for you right now. You know this george. Yeah i know the song. I don't i don't know who performs it but i know the song. Yeah but you know like this place at a party and everybody gets up and dance. Yeah yeah yeah you don't know the name of it. I don't know the name of the song though. But i've heard it a million times out these like what's happened in our you. You know vacation In spanish speaking nations quite a bit little by the way by literally all the clouds like a rodeo clown. Yes all right so we are playing songs for the weekend to get you ready for the weekend. Ramona shelbert is gonna join us in a few minutes real quick l. z. Rams seahawks you believe. This must win. I am in agreement with you. The how offer by sean. Mcvay is excellent. Offer by the seahawks. Defense is atrocious. And the rams defense is awesome. They're basically ranked one or two. In every major defensive statistical category and jared goff is twenty four and five in games where he's only sacked once or no times and the seahawks are having trouble getting to the quarterback meanwhile russell wilson is getting sacked a ton and that bills game was the perfect example of it because it was actually the first time he started really coughing it up. He's got eight interceptions on the season and he's going to surpass the most he's ever had to seize it which is eleven like they're putting a lot on his shoulders with the running game that's injured right now and decrepit and a defense that stinks. They are which is in the conversations for being. Mvp right right. He's had to do a lot to have them in the place where they're at us. Two of the last three games though both on the road they were on the road against good teams. And i do believe the rams are a good team. In addition to that it doesn't appear as if the seahawks are going to have their their corners that gets destroyed already and they're center center. Starting center is also out as the rams so not only is this a must win if they lose our dare say. It's an embarrassing loss. Given all the injuries that the seahawks are coming. In and george that they are. Great with those starters defensively. Yeah yea for sure l. After boot there. 'cause you're cutting in and out just f- why Want to make sure that we get to hear everything is that you say because it is fantastic when you talk about these things yes are you there. I'm still here okay. Did you go sam going in going now. Yeah you're coming in you. Were coming in and out so we We have right now now. Now now you're doing now. How about now cordell. Yeah good here so say it again. So people can here so which part did not happen thing. Say the whole thing again. All right point no way dude literally as you started talking the thing went in and out. Yeah i would i. Would you know what is racism. This is clearly racist. It's racist box box. Yeah yeah yeah all right so anyway. Greg bergman we're gonna have pigs against the spread coming up in the next hour. We got mac coming up in the next hour and momo's going to us in five minutes. Can you do me a favor and give me the update on where we are against the spread standings. Yes i can so right. Now i am the lead with seventy two usa dot second only to behind it seventy. Llc has fifty eight so he's kind of starting to fall off a little bit and laura is starting to come back up. She's up to fifty four. So we gotta we gotta race okay fair enough there it is the by demand. A recount discount demanding a recount in voting million dollars. Yeah i coming up next. we're gonna talk basketball with. We're going to talk about how her story that she has on. Espn dot com. Right now may save sports in the co videira will explain especially coming off a were just discussing with these colleges so most coming up in four minutes. What you need to presented by morongo played safe good times Here is your masters update tiger woods even in the second round. He is for under five back by the way of the tournament leaders. There are four men tied at the top of the leaderboard including john. Dustin johnson is one of those four at nine under bryce to shambo is one over. Andy projected cutline is even par by the way not. Everyone finished the second round today so they will restart very early in the morning. I believe coverage begins at four. Am pacific and you can start watching the coverage as they could finish the second round and then stuff will shift over to cbs for the weekend. And don't forget if for whatever reason on sunday things run long on cbs. You may end up having to watch the masters on abc if it goes past the one pm pacific window so all. That stuff is what we're dealing with here. During the covid era pretty wild stuff speaking of the weekend the weekend is the super bowl. Halftime act for the super bowl. The pepsi super bowl. I what did you make of the choice. l. z. Because we talked about who he should kind of collaborate with. But i never asked you. What did you make the choice to go with the weekend. I'm a little confused because he's canadian right as an american sport but shaquille she was columbia. But you know we were doing a latino thing. I don't think we did. We did do passport. I would say that he's incredibly talented. I've seen him perform live a couple of times. he's awesome. My only question is is he going to sing often. If if he sees often i would be so happy. Because that's it's so nasty. Yeah i it is interesting. I wanna see what he performs and who performs with but look what would you say. I mean we've been pretty lucky here. The last few years with the super bowl. Halftime max i. They've been they've done pretty well after we after the who debacle. I think we've been much better much better. Yeah yeah that was in detroit and your old town. i know. that's what. I call it into the buckle. Yeah you go to motown you like going. We're going get the who and everybody was like. Who yeah right exactly so and one last thing for you in the nfl because we talked a lot of nfl here. The last few minutes or a lot of football. And we're gonna switch over to talk basketball with momo here in a second deondraye hopkins. He's got a suggestion. I think fantasy football owners would love to hear this. L z. Deandre hopkins is one of the best receivers in football. He plays for the arizona cardinals now and he believes that pass interference. Yardage should be counted towards a receivers yard total. I like that. I think that makes sense. He did get the damn yards. I ki- should've caught the damn ball. I don't like it. Why because it's an unnecessary rule. Change this doesn't do anything in terms of helping with the outcome of games. This is strictly about inflating numbers. And i refuse to let someone to sneak in and take jerry place based upon some sneaky. Bs ruling the back end towards the latter part of this money. I mean jerry rice's lead in these categories are so like crazy beyond what anyone could do and imagine what his numbers would be if he got the hopkins rule. No i know. Or if he played in this era where they threw the ball even more than they did. I mean he played on some pass. Offense is obviously not diminish him. They were passed friendly because he was there. So but yeah yeah he would have look. I don't want all right. I'm going to sound like the old guy. But if jerry rice played in this era right if randy. Moss played in this era. If quarterbacks dan marino and warren moon and jim kelly played in this era. their numbers would be out -rageous. Do you disagree with that. Because i live. -solutely yeah those guys were insane in an era where you could literally mug receivers and kill the quarterback. Right no no no. I mean it's not fair to compare errors to air as we all agree on that. But you look at jerry. Rice in randy moss. And you gotta look at yourself and go. Oh well if you know. Terrell pryor that was the name right. Terrell pryor can't remember his name the quarterback from ohio state wide receiver like the eleventh hour. Thank you if you can get one thousand yard season. And he just learned position and imagine what those groups can do right so i don't like to compare what i don't wanna do is changed a rule in which makes one error appears better than another. Yeah one last. Yeah okay. that's fair. That's a fair argument. One last thing for what you need to know bill belichick. Did you see this little defensive. Tom curren who works for nbc sports. He's longtime writer. He used to work for the boston. Globe has covered the patriots for a very long time. Apparently ass bill belichick this season and how it's gone little sideways for a lot of reasons. But he asked him. Hey man you know. Obviously the has gone sideways. You've had guys opt out because of covid you've had issues with covert. Your quarterback was out for a little bit and you're only three and five you know. How much do you attribute some of the issues. You're having this year without some of those players that you've had in the past to your poor draft record and bella chicken little testy. He said quote. I'd say the most important thing to me is winning games. I'm not gonna apologize for record over the last twenty years. I've seen a lot worse. What say you. I mean no lives detected. I driving through the computer right. And he's always testy and good times or in bad so i feel like you know bella is being built check. Yeah i mean but it is a fair question to ask isn't it. It absolutely is a fair question. Asked but i would argue that almost every quarter. He gets a fair question to ask but he doesn't answer it fairly. Yes so. I'm kinda used to him. Having snarky responses where the questions are fair not because he just handles them all the same. That's what you need to know presented by morongo. Play it safe good times. You're listening to caspian los angeles. Do you want me to do my bill belichick impersonation real quick the person person nation. So ask me the question about the draft real quick about my previous coach You know with all due respect. It appears as one of the reasons why You may be struggling a little bit especially defensively because of some of the draft picks didn't turn out the way that you had hoped. Would that be a fair assessment. I'd say that the most important thing to me is Winning games and i'm not going to apologize for our record over the last twenty years I've seen worse. That's pretty spider. And as i said no lies detected there seems that draft better but you know they have nothing to show for it. So that is fair is fair. almost here moment. You like bill belichick impersonation. That was really good. I thought it was what i thought. It was inspired. Talks basketball with you. Here momo before we talk about how you saved today with your story on. Espn dot com. I love that. I'm getting granted. I didn't do anything i just wrote it. Okay it's fine. We'll give out there. Yup exactly you got the information out there. You were the conduit also. I made hard technical stuff understandable. That's what i had. Yeah exactly yeah. It was digestible as i like to. Down just enough right right. But boma we're we're gonna throw something at your the just popular on the radar here. Awhile ago what is about one jaanus attentive. Okay well okay. So you know l z and i were laughing about this earlier because we've seen this episode before so jaanus and the family the Gupo family have been you know gallivanting across the globe. They were in greece for a while. They were in miami for a little while now. They are in sweden at the moment. And athletes make this mistake when they talked to international reporters. And i don't remember that we know how to translate things. I can feel where this is going. Show the journalist. Name in. Sweden is alexander nielsen. Okay so he asked him and yes yes. yes l. s. o. n. g. s. So he asked jaanus quote. There are no yes you honest about kind of the rumors circulating about him and potentially leaving etcetera etcetera so he said quote this janas. There are a lot of rumors everyone has opinions. But at the end of the day i will do. What is best for my family. I do not see why. I could not be milwaukee for several years as long as milwaukee and i are on the same page when it comes to being one of the best teams in the league and winning championships. That's fine so far so good. Here's where it starts to go the other. Yeah when it changes it will not be good. It's easy. I wanna be a winner. As long as we can win and create a winning culture it will be good. Here's the follow up so you're planning to stand walking next year and then maybe sign an extension janas says. I do not know what the plan is. It depends on what decisions they make if they make the right decisions out. Be there for many years if they do. Not we'll see the nba is a business and we take it day by day. Hopefully we can succeed together. That's transat janas. Wants them to go get somebody okay to go play with him and make the team better. Is that somebody's name bradley. Beal is that somebody's name russell. Westbrook is that. Somebody's name chris. Paul i don't know but i would assume he communicated whoever he wants them to go get and it's on them to do it. That would that's me reading. That's me an a parsing that yeah translating into our own language. That is so crazy right that you know when lebron james did what he did in two thousand eleven with the ted what he did. Okay did what he did here. We are almost a decade later only accepted. It's almost expected. Yeah it's almost expected. And i don't believe lebron gets enough credit for gregory these players to take more control over their careers because the conversation a janas had overseas that got translated. Twenty years ago would have made him scandalous. Yeah instead we're sitting here like going right now milwaukee you better get going right like different now and it's because broad. Yeah and i think when we look at the history of this era two thousand ten and and even the run up to two thousand ten where the cavs twisted themselves into a pretzel. Just get any help for lebron their number the antawn jamison trae remember. They got sharp. That's right shaq was there. I mean like they were trying to get him some help but they just never pulled off anything big enough and i hope that doesn't happen to you. Honest in milwaukee. I hope that they can pull something big enough off but me reading. The tea leaves there and just know in the league k. He wants them to go. Make a big move. He doesn't want to just run it back. Like that's that's him. Say he was waiting for them to. What was the quote. Where what did he say there. If they make the right moves yeah he said It depends on what decisions they make. They make the right decision. I'll be there for many years if they do. Not we'll see. What are those decisions. I would bet. That janas has communicated what he wants to do. And you know. We had lunch with the owner. We know that he's in constant touch with them. And this isn't you know this is where i would say janas which is probably different than lebron. I don't think lebron necessarily say go get me this guy go get me. I don't think he name names. I think he just said i want them to build. You need to get me help. And that looked like was kind of up to the cavs and obviously didn't do enough. Never nothing ever were right. But i think i i would. I would guess either name. Names gives them ideas. And frankly if i'm honest. And i wanna stand milwaukee or if i wanted if i think this team can be a championship contender. It's about recruiting. I'm making those calls to right. I'm i'm sliding into somebody's. Dm's yeah of course there's no. Hopefully he has their techs. He has their numbered. He can texas right but remember. He may not because he did a of that. I don't wanna work out with guys. I don't want to be fraternizing and now comes back to bite you a little bit true. He's not on team. Usa we have to look like who was on that all star team that he picks yes sophocles. Shorts tonight is isn't coming to save you in milwaukee. Where did you pull that. One from shorts tonight is was called baby shack. He was on the greek the greek team that beat two thousand four olympic team. My gosh baby said the greek sack that but that was quite the paul george. That was quite very good for me though if he was able to consistently knock down fifteen. They preach like i get all the he needs. Help blah blah blah. I honest and i'm not doing this. Because i don't like you know janas i like me on. Think he's a fine player blah blah blah. But i honestly looked at the roster that he has that squad is more than enough for lebron. James have led to the final. Yes that's quite is more than enough for me to get to the final like there's enough talent on that squad but your horse has got to be a horse and every sense of the way and if you're an thousand times we keep saying it if you're may guy is self check from fifteen out for the most part. You probably going to win well as a good defensive team know how to limit what you like to do. Unfortunately these you don't like to do well as remember. Lebron was somewhat like that. Maybe not as bad as jaanus was but you know teams were more than willing to give. Lebron a jumper really wasn't intel. Lebron went down to south beach and they had that embarrassing loss in the fine. Yes and embarrassing in the finals. Remember all the jokes. Like how do you how to make change. Lebron may change for a dollar you know. I don't know he's always one-quarter short right like whatever. I don't know what was the job that was the job okay and. Jj berea jokes jokes. I mean it wasn't intel's convinced the bron- to kind of play like a a full four right down in the that he can be a back to the basket. Guy didn't have to always have the ball on his hands. It wasn't until he realized that d. wade was the closer and that they also got chris bosh to buy the stretch five like that. It lebron had to grow and evolve his game in miami. And i think john is too. Because i'm telling you all year long you would talk to eastern conference teams. I said that's nice. That milwaukee's having this great western this great regular season but when we get the plows we're going to just throw the picket fence at them. Which is going to do the same thing. Toronto in east nobody nobody. You're the deer okay. Right and they have that and it was like we're going to do this to janas until he proves that he can beat it and he has not proven that yet and he knows it. Yeah well listen you you proved that the warriors maybe are light years ahead today so today. I gave you a little sneak. Peek yesterday did you did i saw. I woke up when i woke up this morning. Read it and so. I saw it so basically for those. That don't know long story short. The warriors are teaming up with a bunch of different people epidemiologists technology people right to create these rapid tests. That are ninety nine percent sure and they believe that they could get fifty percent capacity in arenas by doing using these particular tests right and they just have to kind of lobby. The government right. So there's that part of the equation and they believe that they can also help the rest of sports basically get fans back in these arenas safely. What do you believe will come from this. Will they get the chance to prove it. Will the government california. Give the chance to prove it. Do you think other teams will follow suit with them. how do you think this evolves is my question so i think what the warriors did today in everybody on the record all the the the whole plan the whole playbook that they've been working on for eight months and like it's so cute that it was called operation of dacian rates. Are you part of the operation dove nation. What they did today was say this is the way they was like mandalorian move. This is the way i was just gonna say. Did they watch them into lord. Know this is the way you must follow. We have done all the work for you. All you have to do is follow our plans. Now right we are also coming into the worst of part of the pandemic and cases arising again in california. We are state. That has listen to epidemiologists lockdown before we will probably have to do it again as the cases start to rise. But i'm gonna. I'm gonna let me put this into a plain english. The warriors did one really smart thing here. They got a guy named dr. george rutherford who is an epidemiologist at ucsf. He is like the bay. Area's dr fauci. Okay it when they go to the epidemiologist. Like hey dr fauci okay. Well dr fauci for the bag. Okay dr fauci. They went and got that guy on their side. And that guy literally said in a quote this close to a perfect plan as you can have this is i mean they got that guy to say it and i think when logan breed the mayor up in san francisco gavin newsom when they when they start asking their epidemiologists. They will not be able to find fault with the science here. The hard part is going against the political headwinds where right now our our officials in california are trying to send the message to all of us. Hey the cases arising it's time to tighten back up a little bit. Put your mask on. make sure it's on tight. Don't do anything stupid. don't let your guard down. Don't say oh you know what. I haven't seen this friend for six months. Let me have a few people over for thanksgiving. Let me you know that was not the time to drop your guard. Because the incidents of covert or rising. So when you're trying to get the public to say lockdown again but tighten up. It's maybe a tough time to also say you can go to the warriors game because they're light years ahead. I mean it's a. It's a tough sell right now. Yeah when our governor is busted going to thaw that what do you so being the astute political observer that you are elsie. What do you think that story with gavin newsom going to french laundry In napa which by the way a wonderful restaurant. I understand third and they probably did some rapid tests there to okay. Let's be real what do you think makes gavin. Newsom do does it make him be hypocritical and say oh well i did it you guys can to or or or does it make him say oh i messed up. You guys should actually lockdown more. I think it actually makes him go the other way correct. Yeah i would agree with that you know. So here's what happens. You want me to prognosticate. I think we don't see. The warriors have any get any kind of approval on this for december twenty seconds but as we get closer to administration which will have a very different posture towards testing especially at the national level. Where it's not just thrown onto the states and and up to the governor's up to the local authorities. I think there will be much more national testing costs but also national scaling up of testing. Like joe biden has already said that he is going to invoke the what's called the war powers act the defence act that that he can compel certain companies to produce the or testing kits. Or whatever they need to do. I think that's going to happen. And so once these political headwinds start to change a little bit. I would say probably sometime in january Then i do think the warriors get approval for some version of this plan is at ten thousand fans. I don't know is it five. Maybe if they prove their concept at five thousand vans. Ooh i can just smell the dodger. Dogs i'm just thinking about all spring when there's no longer a shortage of these tests when they're not one hundred and fifty dollars a pop anymore. Maybe they're forty dollars. Shoot you pay that for parking at dodgers stadium. You know maybe it doesn't have to come from the team. Maybe that's just factored into part of the ticket. Maybe season ticket packages and things like that. Just cool as well mall. Thank you for saving sports the way we appreciate it. This thanks mobile. Have a great weekend dates boys. You'd say thank you take care. I l z. You and i are going to talk to mac. Mac is listening so we gotta talk about this. 'cause momoa just laid it out. There could be a plan to get fans back in the stands sooner rather than later here based on this new information. So let's talk about this and all sorts of stuff. We'll take a break. The mac show mark. Anthony k of your. You're fine soccer team l. Afc will join us in just a few moments. Stick around on seventeen espn.

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Ep. 1013 - Coronavirus Cant Kill Politics

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Ep. 1013 - Coronavirus Cant Kill Politics

"Barack Obama returns to slam president trump and called for fundamental change. Joe Biden lease had a new radical program and Democrats begin to realize that Americans. Kinda WANNA reopen. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show today. Show is sponsored by expressive. And my savvy thin secure their Internet. Join them at express. Vpn DOT com slash. Ben Before we begin. I want to take a moment to give out to our advertising partners. They helped make the show possible. And you patronizing. Advertising partners also helps make this show. Possible that partnership is really. What makes the show goes? We appreciate you appreciate our advertisers. Speaking of which you have buckled like several weeks ago it turns out that gold is now at a seven year high. You knew who knew. You should have buckled over Because diversifying at least a little bit in the precious metals is always the smart play. It allows you to hedge against inflation and uncertainty in Black Swan events like the one. 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Don't wait until the market drops more to protect your hard earned savings. Get your free emergency kit today. Texts Ben to forty seven forty seven forty seven diversified today again. Text Bend to forty-seven forty-seven Forty Seven. That's my name Ben to forty seven forty seven forty seven and work with my friends over at Gold Okay so let's begin with some very very good news there. There actually is a fair bit of good news this morning. Good piece of good news number one testing trends all over. The United States seem to suggest that the summer is actually having a fairly significant impact on cod. Nineteen because as the lockdowns are ending state by State. The southern states seem not to be experiencing wild uptick in the number of infections. Even though they are gradually reopening now again they are gradually reopening. I've talked to people in Florida. I've talked to people in Georgia. I've talked to people in Texas and despite the media reports that everybody has Willy Nilly going out in the streets and making out with each other. That's not actually what's happening. A lot of stores have remained closed because they can't actually abide by some of the strict regulations. Most people are still wearing masks. Most people are socially distancing and even though you're seeing pictures from places like California and New York with lots of people out there. A lot of those pictures are taking with particular type of lenses that actually make it look though people are closer together than they actually are. It's a trick of photography and it's sort of disturbing that people do it but it is a reality yesterday. My my wife and I took the kids out to a park. There's pretty much no one around people who were around word socially distancing. We've been doing that for weeks. People sort of understand a general level. What is smart and what is not. That doesn't mean everybody but it does mean that more people than you would suspect and that means that even if there are some infections it's going to be a lower level than prior to the lockdown because people are engaging in different behavior. We're starting to see those trends Scott Gottlieb former FDA commissioner but at a series of tweets looking at some of those trends so in tweet number one he put out from eight. I A A graph showing the number of tests going up across the country really really rapidly so as it may I. We were experiencing something like two hundred ninety thousand tests. Something like that run on. May I N on average probably the first the first week of May we're running somewhere in the neighborhood probably two hundred fifty thousand today now. We are running on average closer to four hundred thousand tests a day. Meanwhile the number of positives has gone down steadily during that time. Which means basically the number of people who are positive with Kobe. Nineteen has been stagnant and the number of test is going up because again the percentage is just the numerator over the nomination so if the numerator remains the same meaning the number of people infected and the nominators increases meeting the number of people tested. You're going to see a decrease in the positivist rate. Now there have been people in the media lying to you and it is line with statistics when they say things like increasing numbers of positives increasing number of absolute positives. If you test more people you will get more posits. That's not mean. Contrary to to some people's again statistical illiteracy that's not mean that the test is making people positive. It means that you're likely to pick up the positives that are already there when you test more often. Obviously so two things can be true at once one. The number of absolute positives coming back can be higher. To the rate of positivity can be declining. Because you're doing more absolute tests. Scott Gottlieb also tweeted out the states where cases are increasing showing slight increase in Texas but again very difficult to tell whether that increase in Texas is due to like an absolute increase or whether that is due to a or a percentage increase or whether that is due to additional testing likelihood is due to digital testing in Louisiana very slight increasing a major peak earlier. This year in Virginia. Slight increase in Arkansas in South Dakota a slight increase but again testing is increasing. All of those states it is also worthwhile. Noting only about sixty percents of the United States actually releases the results of these tests. Meanwhile they're a solid probably twenty-five five states where there has been no increase in new cases. Were there is no actual. Spike in cases and that is states ranging from Nevada to Connecticut to Maryland to Florida in Florida was supposed to be patient zero in the outbreak. Florida was supposed to be where we're going to see this vast increase in a second wave because evil evil Rhonda Santa's hit allowed people go to the beaches. Turns out. None of that was true. It turns out that Florida is much more of a success story than people are making it out to be and one of the things that you're noticing is that again hotter states just are not experiencing this in the same way. The colder states have experienced it throughout the country. California did not get hit. Texas did not get particularly hard. Hit Florida did not get particularly hard. Hit major cities. Louisiana is fairly warm place but Louisiana has has new Orleans New Orleans got hit. The rest of the state really did not get hit all that heart okay. So gottlieb concludes from this. He suggests that nationwide recent models suggest doubling time is about forty five days and the are not is around one ten so the are not is the is the statistical infection rate. If you're above one that means that it is growing if you are below one that means that it is decreasing because it's basically how many people one person in fact so if the are not around one point one point one then that is a slow epidemic right slow enough that you're going to overwhelm. The healthcare system. Gottlieb says while still expanding it students so too much. Slower place a pace. Hopefully there'll be a seasonal seasonal in the summer that slows it further. Okay so all of that is very good news. Meanwhile there's another piece of good news. That's being positioned as a piece of bad news and that is that as corona virus testing expands. Not Enough people are actually testing so all the talk about test we need more tests more and more and more tests according to the Washington. Post people aren't that are out there by the way I've experienced this myself. My wife earlier. This week came down with a fairly high grade fever. It turns out that you just had an infection. Okay but she went to. We went. We actually got a nineteen. She's nursing. She got an infection from that. We actually went. We got a covert nineteen test. We were in line for like two seconds seriously. Two seconds we they have station set up all around southern California. The available at the availability of test is extremely high according to The Washington Post in fact availability testing is so high that none of people are actually accessing testing so the Washington Post reports four months into the US Corona virus outbreak test for the virus finally becoming widely available a crucial step toward lifting. Stay at home owners and safely returning to normal life well. Winning many states no longer a crippling supply shortages. A new problem has emerged too. Few people lining up to get tested. Okay so on the one hand. These suggestions that a lot of people should be getting tested. We're not gonNA tested on the other hand. What they're really means it. Listen right now. In America if you have chronic symptoms high likelihood you're going to get tested high likelihood but that really means a lot of people out there or people who are actually not sick with cornell at all a Washington. Post survey of governor's offices in state health departments found at least a dozen states were testing capacity. Outstrips the supply of patients many of scrambled to make testing more convenient especially for vulnerable communities by setting up pop up sites in developing apps that help assess symptoms find free test sites and deliver quick results but the numbers while rising well short of capacity and far short of targets set by independent experts. Utah for example is conducting thirty five hundred tests a day. That's a little more than a third of its nine thousand tests. Maximum capacity health officials have erected highway billboards. Begging drivers get tested for Code One thousand nine hundred. Why aren't more people showing up? Well that's the million dollar question. Shed Utah Health Department spokesman. Tom Who go it could simply that people don't WanNa be tested. It could be that people feel like they don't need to be tested. It could be. That people are mildly symptomatic. They're just not concerned that having a positive lab result would actually change their course in any meaningful way. I think it's probably the latter. Maybe it's just maybe it's just confirmation bias from the people I talked to and my crab. It's certainly anecdotal but let's just put it this way. If anybody in my circle had corona virus symptoms immediately go get tested. I don't know how many people across the United States have the symptoms. And they're like you know what screw not getting tested today. Maybe it's just that not that. Many people are experiencing symptoms or at least severe symptoms sufficient. That they feel like they need to go get tested. Experts say several factors may be preventing more people from seeking tests including a lingering sense of scarcity lack of access in rural and underserved communities concerns about cost and skepticism about testing operations ILA Stanford pediatric surgeon in Philadelphia. She's providing free testing low income and minority communities. She says we know. There's a lack of trust in the African American community with the medical profession. She has an effort which offers testing church parking lot. They service more than three thousand people in recent weeks. Also there's lingering confusion about who qualifies last month. The CDC relaxes guidelines to offer people without symptoms or referred by local health departments or clinicians. Some states have relaxed testing criteria. Dramatically governor Brian Kemp has encouraged all Georgians. Even if you're not experiencing symptoms to schedule an appointment so by the way if Georgia's actually encouraging people to go out and get tested. So they've larger number of people getting tested. You would expect to see a spike in positives right. Oklahoma Governor Kevin Step Down Republican urge residents earlier this month. Call to a one. Find a location close to even if you don't have symptoms and you are just curious. She Job Directly Harvard Global Health. Institutes at a lot of states but in very very restrictive testing policies because they didn't have tests. If they're not waxed those are the word is not getting out. We want to be at a point where everybody who has. Mild symptoms is tested. That's critical. That is still not happening in a lot of places but again as we move forward it seems like if you listen if you wanted to get tested before you basically had to. Feb If you WANNA get tested you had to say that you knew that because the CDC standards were so ridiculous that it was like do you know somebody who's had corona virus. It's like well. I don't know that person wasn't tested. Right well okay. So to get the Fed and Peggy Noonan talked about this in the Wall Street Journal but now that is not the way that this is working now basically if you say that you have symptoms you can get tested. Virtually across the country California has sufficient lab capacity to conduct nearly one hundred thousand tests today. They're averaging fewer than forty thousand in Chicago. A major chain of urgent care. Clinics temporarily halted mobile testing last week. It ran out of test kits estates trying to encourage people to return to normal life around testings experts worry that widespread shortages could but the federal government is moving to fill that gap. The federal government is moving quickly to fill that gap bottom line. Is this the if it does not seem like there is on the grounds of man for testing that is not appearing so much as a national demand for testing? Because there is this again slogan out there. The testing in tracing are the solution to this thing. When you're providing more testing people are actually taking advantage of that is not a problem with supply. That is a problem with demand. The federal government is doing. Its best to fill that in. But what they're really shows is that we are not experiencing helming of the healthcare system. We are not experiencing overwhelming numbers of cases. And this is driving sort of change in the rhetoric that you're seeing from Democrats for a while there. The rhetoric was. We gotta shut down until we have vaccine by the way. Another piece of good news. Madonna is now announcing that they've had positive interim phase one data for their new vaccine. They're saying that their new tests on the vaccine are successful. They're moving forward so there are many vaccines. Apparently that are now in preclinical result testing. And they've seen some very positive results they're trying to figure out exactly what the dosage should be. But the bottom line is that this is very good. News as Scott Gottlieb says encouraging news. Today on modern technology will eventually let us reduce the Cova threaten reclaim normal times early. Data shows. It generates robust immune reaction. It's does dependent getting those right ISKY. Madonna is now testing a new fifty milligram dose. We must establish or microbiome. Microgram dose rather we must establish regulatory measures for antibody titre clinical measures of benefit service clear benchmarks of success for studies right now. Fda requires neutralizing antibody titre of at least one to one hundred and sixty for convalescent. Serum donors is that the level for a vaccine. There's some suggestion the vaccines could protect us from bad symptoms of color but not totally protect us from getting the infection. Sort of like a flu shot. Okay well I think that we would all for that right. If this was reduced to the danger of the flu I think we would all be like okay done done. Okay and good. News is that seems to be the direction we are moving so all of this is good news. All this good news. Is that the summer. Seems to be slowing. The spread is Dr Marty. Mccarey of Johns Hopkins. Told me last week. It seems as though the testing shortages are are actually not supremely material in most major states at this point. It seems like it's really more problem of people being aware that they can get a test or people wanting to get a test and it is that they are not available which is good news and this is changing a lot of the rhetoric politically surrounding real. We'll get to that in just one second first. 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Cuomo the governor of New York. He did the same thing with testing. He did with ventilators. Which is he said. He needed a lot more than you need it right he said. I need one. Hundred thousand ventilators turns out. They didn't a fraction of that. So over the course of the last few weeks it's been cuomo saying we need testing testing many tests. We need tons of tests. He yesterday Cuomo announced that the New York state drive through and walk in. Locations are capable of testing fifteen thousand people a day and they're currently testing five thousand people a day. In other words there is a surplus per day of ten thousand tests. Okay that that is not a testing shortage so all the remember. The ripples on trump. He's not getting the ventilators then. He got the men's lawyers. They're not getting us the tests and they got them. The tests. Seems like the problem right now. Is that cove in. Nineteen is just a part of life right. That is the problem for now. The problem not the testing the problem is not the medical care because we have not swamp the medical system. The problem is that we are all going to have to assess our own personal levels brisk and be responsible. And that's it that's all we can do until a vaccine developed. The news is it. Looks like a few months until maybe there will be some sort of workable. Axiom that at least drives symptoms or therapeutic that drives down the symptoms sufficient. We can go back to our normal everyday. Lives when I say. I don't mean the social distancing with masks I mean do we are probably a few months away from going back to actual regular life. I think that we are going to get back to the point where people actually do go to ball games. We're going to get back to the point where people do shake hands with one another. I don't think handshakes for dead forever by the way and hopefully we'll still keeps in things like washing our hands a lot and not touching our faces so much but I think that as we develop therapeutics and that is the whole don't prematurely but that is the hope in the near future and until then we mitigate risk and by ourselves time because the therapeutics are coming down the pain as I say you know there is the sort of pessimistic vision of the future in which there's no vaccine and there's no therapeutic in which case you just WanNa achieve her immunity as fast as possible which in the United States would be pretty dangerous because there are a lot of unhealthy people. But I don't think that's necessary. I think we're all responsible for a few months. We're going to get closer to normal by September October November. Certainly by the beginning of next year then many people had had thought including me early on in this process. And you're starting to see Democrats. They're talking about this. So here's Cuomo explaining actually have more testing than we can use right now. We have more sites and more testing capacity than we use. Okay that's a good problem but that is the next from hurdle to hurtle right. Yeah I see it. More like from hurdle to hurdles down the track. Now we have more testing capacity more sites than we're actually using. We have driving sides that can do fifteen thousand per day. We doing about five thousand per day. Okay so again we're not. We're not actually short on the test at this point in New York state which is the hardest hit by this stuff. Meanwhile over in Colorado Jared policies the Democrat she came out and said you know what we're actually doing recounting cove in nineteen deaths. We think we overestimated how many deaths there were which is pretty astonishing. Remember when trump said this ripped up and down when any Republican has suggested that the classification of dots has actually been too broad because it counted people who died with cove as opposed to people who died of covets. You're eighty two years old. You have many pre existing medical conditions. You Cova but you actually die of something else. You'd have a heart attack or something and you were classified as a covert ninth or you're classified as a cove in nineteen death when you die in your home and you're just in excess death and we don't actually know why policies like you know what if we're actually going to be statistically accurate about this thing that we need to measure people who died of in nineteen as opposed to people who died with Kobe. Nineteen this Democrats. That means. He's not getting ripped up and down. That's the way this works in the media. You can make exactly the same argument if you're a Democrat or Republican. The Democrat will be praised for the argument. Republican will be ripped. Here's jared policy-making making an argument that many people have been making on the Republican side of the aisle for a while. These are deaths that should not be politicized the CDC criteria include anybody who has died with in nineteen what the people of Colorado and the people country want to know is how many people died of Kobe. Nineteen in our state about nine hundred have died from Kobe. Nineteen on their death certificate or from the attending physician about eleven hundred have died with it that those two hundred in the middle and might have been a contributing factor but it wasn't deemed the sole factor or the only factor in their death. Weird because again if you mentioned this like just a few weeks ago then suggestion as you're downplaying. The virus again injured can reopen Colorado. In exactly the same way as brand come through open. Georgia and he can take exactly the stuff. President trump about downgrading the number of deaths not a shred of criticism from the media. Not One and Romo can completely blow it in his State. Not a of criticism from media. That's who has an eighty percent approval rating and he was shoveling old people with cove in nineteen back into nursing homes. Now cuomo by the way is actually on the defensive so yesterday he said we're not going to prosecute anyone for nursing home. Deaths come on guys. That's not serious. I mean come on. We're not going to do anything about that. Who is accountable for those one hundred thirty nine deaths? How do we get justice for those families? Who had one hundred thirty nine deaths? What does justice? Who can we prosecute for those deaths? Nobody nobody Mother Nature God. Where did this virus comfort? People are going to die by this virus. That is the truth. Okay and then he went on to say. This is direct quote. Older people vulnerable. People are going to die from this virus. This is going to happen despite whatever you do weird because there were those of us who were saying this when it comes to risk mitigation there are those who were saying this when it came to how do we strategize about. Frenching populations back into the workforce. There are those of us who are saying this and we trended on twitter for saying this Andrew. Cuomo says it. Everybody's like well. You know the Andrew Cuomo here of the people man hero of the people so now we're allowed to say the stuff that's true allowed when it becomes clear that now we are on the downtrend and when it becomes clear that it's going to cost Democrats if they continue to keep every part of the economy shut down for extended periods of time. Despite the fact that the evidence doesn't show that we should do all of that Rahm Emanuel former chief of staff to Barack Obama. He says guys I think. Democrats are Kinda two resistance about reopening. We're going to need to talk reopening now on the Democratic side messaging we look little to mow messaging too much about resistance about reopening too much about reluctance about reopening and we should go to a message of rebuilding America to if the president wants to talk about reopening we WANNA talk about rebuilding America in the relief. Let's take the unemployed if you're employed in the service sector. Jc Penney some of these other. Those jobs aren't coming back so we're going to give you a coupon go. Become a computer coder in six months. We'll pay for it. You don't have to pay a penny out of your pocket. Learn to code is is the Democrats new program but the main point what Rome manual saying is correct. Which is the Democrats have been extremely resistance reopening? Why because the media calculus was such until five minutes? The media calculus was such that. If you said lockdown until every life save my grandmother she means everything to me. Then you're rewarded and if you guys. We have to figure out a way to reopen because the economy is dying in forty million people are out of work and everybody's losing their life savings and their life dreams. Then you're a bad person but now that it appears that we're on the downslope then and it appears that Florida and Georgia and things could reverse but Florida and Georgia among many other states do not appear that they're being overwhelmed in terms of the healthcare system and close to overwhelmed in terms of the healthcare system. Now the rhetoric is starting to change. And we're all getting to where I suggest suggested we're going to be in the first place. Which is individual decision-making about risk mitigation? While who could have suggested all of this stuff weeks ago months ago all right that yeah I did sorry not Sam right but I I was. I was totally right. We'll get to that in. Just we'll get to how right I was in. Just one second first. 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People are engaging in risk mitigation or risk taking as they as they see fit in New York people were going back out to bars and beaches according to the New York Post Lockdown New Yorkers ditching the distancing to get social instead this weekend transforming parts of the big apple into raucous ladies and Mardi Gras at the city's Cova damned attitude was nothing compared with the scene in Belmar New Jersey of beach popular. Staten Islanders and Brooklyn Knights. Huge crowds waited shoulder to shoulder on the boardwalk for their turn to buy beach badges. The line for badges is four. Nine socially distanced blocks long tweety bird seidler who described the boardwalk as obscenely packed. Now I don't know the New Jersey Bar on the beach badge thing. Is that something? They're doing? Just because of covered nineteen. That's something that you actually have to New Jersey. I just actually don't know the answer to that if you actually if the government has restricted. It's you have to buy a beach. Badge does not overcrowd the beach. It's you just end up with a crowded line. Then that's what you call policy stupidity at the highest level outside bars on the upper east side the upper west side the east and West villages and in Green Point Brooklyn. The Post found booze hounds arriving for the takeout cocktails and then staying in staying to slip rings on packed sidewalks and Soak Up. The lively scenes are gonNA drink with Mass Don's at one reveller. Hairdresser Akeem Kelly. His Mass Dangle Blows Chin stood outside the upper east side's popular stories red hand bar or crowds exceeding three dozen nearly all unmasked found in the early evenings a Friday and Saturday. They don't care about us. Had An seventy two of Manhattan. On Saturday she sat on a bench. The West End of the Brooklyn Bridge as a steady stream of mask free sites. Here's in bicyclist passer-by and she mused what happened to all of us protecting everybody else. Okay I'll tell you what happened. Is that a bunch of young people. Said I don't care if I got this right. That's actually what's going on right now and that may not be best policy and in fact if you see an elderly person anywhere in your nervous entity you're Gonna. WanNa throw up that mask but can we stop pretending that a bunch of twenty hanging out at the bar? It's the same thing as a bunch of people at Nursing Home. Hang out together. It is not okay now again. I think that for purposes of slowing the spread. I here's my role. My personal rule has been that when I am out and about if I'm six feet away from it. Everybody else and outdoors. I don't wear masks but when I'm outdoors my kids. I don't wear masks when I go into a restaurant to pick up food when I go over to the garden supply store where I'm in close proximity with people. I put on masks and I think that's a fairly good rule and that's a good rule mainly because I just don't know who's vulnerable and who is not vulnerable however if you're talking about like a bar scene and everybody there twenty I gotta say the risk factors in terms of people dying covert are not particularly high especially if everybody again socially distances from the most vulnerable. And that's a decision that you're going to have to make yourself what is not a smart and not a good decision is if you're not wearing the mask anywhere near somebody who you know is vulnerable. That would be a stupid decision but again. I think that young stupid people tend to do young stupid things that does not mean that you're GonNa get people to stop doing stupid things that didn't even stop during the covert outbreak. So here's what's actually happening. Most people who are risk averse are being risk averse. Most people are being risk seeking are being risk seeking and most people are actually being fairly smart about this. The media are going to pick out these instances of people who are being dumb and they're going to highlight those so that they can claim that the government needs to be deeply involved in regulating individual behavior but the reality is that he got tens of millions of people who are engaging and individual decision-making anyway. That's just how it's going to be. That's just the reality of life. There's a good article today in the San Jose Mercury News talking about Risk Assessment says as an infectious disease expert. Dr George Rutherford knows all about the horrors of Kobe. Nineteen there's one risk the UC San Francisco. Professor wearing a mask is willing to take huggins two year old granddaughter. For two months we've been diligent about staying home but as area residents start to venture out with parts of the state gradually loosening lockdown restrictions. How do we navigate this landscape apparel and promise we can't stay isolated in fearful forever? The new normal looks like this socialized carefully built around. Risk reduction rather than the strict in absolute safety of isolated shelter in Stanford University communications professor. Geoff Hancock he says we need to balance our needs what we know about the corona virus. He said abstinence doesn't work plans that are practical and recognized. Basic human needs will be more successful than plans. That don't do. We need a vacation. In Costa Rica with lots of Friends. No we need intimate and social moments. Yes risk isn't binary. Experts agreed all or nothing approaches. Have bad consequences. Where have you been for the last several months serious? Like if you mentioned this before. Risk Mitigation was going to be the answer. You're the bad guy but now apparently we're all allowed to talk risk mitigation. I wonder what change I wonder what changed. Maybe was that a bunch of Republican states started to reopen didn't see massive spikes and people around the country. They're like Oh look at that. Oh look at that okay. What all this has led to a change in in sort of democratic messaging for twenty twenty. So as I say they've started to talk reopening. That's the thing that happened. But they also have to come up with a new message. Because let's say that people start reopening and people are generally responsible and the economy starts to re open people start getting hired back slowly but surely come some therapeutics by the time we get to fall. Schools are open and we are basically. Let's say best case scenario. We're back to eighty percents of normal by November and the economy is moving back up again and no one's GonNa blame trump for the corona virus. She's not going to happen. You can't blame trump for a for a worldwide pandemic that knocked out places like Italy and knocked out places like UK. United States ranges middle of the pack. When it comes to number of deaths per million and when you take out a New York City range near the bottom is a really it was a New York failure and everybody else did kind of okay aside from some of the major cities like New Orleans and Chicago because the United States is a is a fairly diffuse place in terms of population except for those major population centers specifically New York City. So the the Democrats have to come up with a new message and they have their new message which they will get all the support in the world from the media from it for is. They need to remake the system utterly and completely so. Barack Obama wheeled out this message today. It's the same as their old message. Every every crisis opportunity every bad situation is just an indicator that we need to remake the system completely so Barack Obama speech over the weekend to people who are graduating from college and was widely praised by the media for doing so because Obama could fart and immediately praise him for it. His fart smell like roses according to the members of CNN's editorial board. So Barack Obama gave the speech and his speech included. I don't know why in the middle of graduation he would do this. But it's very unifying thing very unifying to say that the leadership of the country sucks. When you're the ex-president has Jimmy Carter Syndrome. It is kind of amazing by the way you understand Republican presidents. I don't think trump do this but every other republican president basically went away after president. Reagan Stop Talking. H. W didn't talk. W didn't talk was like okay. We're done now. My job is over. 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Anything that is unequal in life is not about the fact that people are not actually equal in all of their capacities and all of their skill sets. I am I'm not going to be playing in the NBA. Have no jump shot. I can't Dunk Rabah. Apparently that's inequity that's some sort of unfairness so everything in America is about unfairness. It is not about the fact that any statistical division you draw in American society is going to include inequality so if that is your viewpoint then the only indicator that you have reached fairness is when everybody ends up with exactly the same results basically no matter what they do you take the decision making out of the process so that means that it is perpetual revolution on the left means doesn't matter if Obama fundamentally transform America not fundamental enough never fundamental enough. We never reached that. You're hoping hazebrouck Obama's in two things one he ripped into trump to he suggested that Cova nineteen show systemic racism okay. We are expanding extraordinary resources for all Americans get the treatment that they need now. This is really about how America has legs. Somehow the death rates from Colvin Nineteen are evidence of Jim Crow and and slavery which again I guess in. A certain sense is true but only in the sense that all history is contingent. Meaning that all history leads to other things happening in the future. If Adam and Eve hadn't eaten from the apple tree then presumably fewer people being cove in nineteen right now. That's not a supremely helpful analysis of the current situation. When it comes to policy on the ground here is Barack Obama making the fundamental case for transformation of American society which is now being picked up by Joe Biden as well than anything. This pandemic is fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that some of the folks in charge know what they're doing a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge if the world's GonNa get better it's going to be up to you with everything suddenly feeling like it's up for grabs. This is your time to seize the initiative. Okay Weird so so you're gonNA see the. That's that's very odd because what I've been told by people like Obama. Is that if you were in charge. Then we can all just listen to him. But since trump is in charge you should use your own individual judgment as opposed to me where I say like. I don't care who in charge. You should use your individual judgment. You notice how this works. When a Democrat is in charge pay attention to authority when a Democrat is not in charge? It's up to you America. Then Obama gets to Israel point and his real point is that America is fundamentally unequal. An Evil and terrible and sixty nineteen project is right. This is the message that Obama's pushing here a disease like this just spotlights underlying inequalities and extra burdens that communities have historically had to deal with in this country we see it in the disproportionate impact of Kobe. Nineteen on our communities just as we see it a black man goes for a jog and some folks feel like they can stop and question and shoot him if he doesn't submit to their question in just like this isn't new okay. That's insane okay. What he's saying right now is totally insane. The reason that is totally insane is first of all. You're going to differentiate how cova nineteen is affecting populations you'd have to. I figure out a couple of things. One hoagies and have diabetes existing conditions. This is more prevalent in minority communities than it is in the white community that is just say statistical truth again. That has nothing to do with race. That has everything to do with eating habits. And the kind of food people have access to and all that kind of stuff to our people. Actually socially distancing do people live and intergenerational households right a lot of people who are white tend not to live as much with grandma lots of people in minority communities they in Hispanic communities for example have lots of cross generational pollination has also black nudity. That's not a bad thing. It's not a rip hangings actually quite a good thing in many ways but it does mean that you're more susceptible to passing on cove in nineteen to other people because you have to take into account that does not mean that some inequity has taken place. You'd have to actually filter out all of the different decision making variables but according to Obama if black people are hit harder by Cova statistically that means that America is racist and this can always be attributed to Jim. Crow he doesn't have to bother to do the statistical analysis and figure out how much of this is due to inequity he can just immediately site inequality and he can then connect it to another case where it is not clear that the driving factor was racism. The outcome would are barriques right. So the barricades did an awful awful case. We talked about this at length. The day after this broke in the news like big we talked about the fact that I think that those guys should be prosecuted that you don't have the ability to chase down somebody and basically hold them at gunpoint Frei non-crime that is not something you can do. However we do not have evidence at this point that the that the incident was driven by race primarily as opposed to being driven by vigilantism by the people who are actually doing this thing and driven by an insider corrupted deal basically between the DA in that area and the ex cop who committed the shooting along with his son right. So what about I mean? This is why Obama's demagoguery is really dangerous. When when trump is demagoguing he just says something dumb rages something something ridiculous like just like Joe. Scarborough is off killing interns or something. He'll just say something working immediately. Down come on Obama tries to create a superstructure of of extraordinarily radical claims on top of very thin reads. And then wait for the media. Bolster him so he will say things like Damn would arbor so what he did in. That clip is pretty incredible. He said the Berry shooting is about racism again. We know that it's about racism because we don't know the background of the guy who committed the shooting. Do they have all sorts of Racists Tax Geneva racist background was this specifically because they saw black guy or is because somebody in their neighborhood said somebody's burglarizing a house and they're like okay? Well whatever man. I'm a vigilante. And we've had this before them by the way. Still criminals still bad. They should still go to jail. But we don't know the answer to that yet so he takes a case where not all. The facts are known immediately attributed to deep-seated American racism. Then he connects that to another issue where does not clear that. Racism is the deciding for again are. Is the suggestion that our medical professionals are racist. Is the suggestion that our federal and state governments across the nation. The New York government bill de Blasio as wildly disproportionate cases of black people. Dying as opposed to why people is Bill Blasio in the city. Government of New York racist and build walls was like a full blown Communist. So you're going to have to explain that by but he hasn't bothered to explain it. The entire program is about again has inequalities America is bad and therefore American needs to be fundamentally transform and this is where Obama and burning after the page. Obama is just more subtle about how he goes about this right burning. We'll just say America's terrible America's of terrible place capitalism and brutality and viciousness and we need to transform it into Socialist Copa. So but Bernie. Obama is soft Bernie. He just get gradually. Bernie is hard. Bernie Bernie is like give me. Pooping communism? Obama still says that he likes the free market. Maybe he does. I in a very limited fashion heavily regulated fashion the same way Elizabeth. Warren likes the free market as an ox that you can sort of chain up to the plow of the American economy and then direct it. How you want even if it ends up killing the ox but Bernie says this more clearly so burning over the weekend he says we need to fundamentally rethink how society works now. Remember everybody who is saying this stuff that they were already saying before cove nineteen if this is not challenged any of your preconceptions about one government should step in government should not. It's because you're not actually following the facts. You're just reinforcing. Thought before as I've said before reinforcing priors reinforcing our prior beliefs. That is burning. It doesn't matter. What the antecedent is in an if then statement all that matters. Is the conclusion right. It doesn't matter what the if is then. Is We should be socialist so it could be if the sky is blue which should be socialist if there's cove nineteen. We should be socialist. Here's Bernie yesterday explaining. We need fundamental change. If there is any civil lining in the midst of this terrible terrible and unprecedented moment in American history in terms of the economy in terms of the pandemic. It is the maybe we start rethinking. Some fundamental tenets about the way our government and society works and we should ask ourselves among other things is healthcare a human right that all of us deserve because we're human beings or is simply a healthcare benefit that somehow we lose when we lose our jobs to Biden is picking up the torch so biden has been looking for some sort of brazen debt for his for his campaign. His campaign doesn't exist for anything is pain about nothing. It's the Seinfeld of campaigns gays. It's in a basement. And then he does nothing and then he hopes to be president now as I said before that was actually his best feature his best feature was the return to normalcy campaign. He's actually making a very large strategic error here so because it turns out that maybe we'll get through this it turns out that we're moving back toward normalcy. It turns out that our medical system withstood it and the federal government did not do a terrible job and it turns out many State Governors Democrats like Andrew. Cuomo did an awful job. Jay Pritzker Illinois didn't do a fantastic job Gretchen. Whitmer in Michigan didn't do it fantastic as that turns out to be. The case. Biden is now shifting his message and he's looking for a positive reason to be present now. This is directly counter to why he was nominated. The reason he was nominated is because people didn't want Bernie. The reason he was nominated is because he was campaigning. On the Warren g harding nineteen twenty returned to normalcy routine. His entire campaign was going to be about basically return to status quo. Return to a time. That was not too crazy. Returned to a time where everything was sort of more even even Keel. No-one is voting for Joe Biden because they want fundamental change. People are gonNA vote for Joe Biden. Because they don't want trump. That was the initial theory of the Biden campaign and it was strong enough to win the nomination. Over a fundamental change candidate like Bernie Sanders will now. Biden is going full Bernie. According to the new times more than thirty six million Americans are suddenly unemployed. Congress has allocated two point two trillion dollars in aid with more likely to be on the way as a fight looms over. Government debt millions. More people are losing their health insurance and struggling to take care of their children in aging relatives. Nearly Ninety thousand are continuing public health catastrophe. This was not the scenario. Joe Biden anticipated confronting when he competed for the Democratic nomination or on a conventional left of center platform now with Mr Biden leading president trump in the poll the former. Vp and other Democratic leaders are racing to assemble a new governor agenda that meets extraordinary times and they agree. It must be far bolder than anything. The party establishment has embraced before. See this is such misread. It is such a dramatic misery. The best case you can make the moderates is you know we're going to get back. Three point five percent unemployment. No we're going to get back back to normal. You know we're going to get back all of the stuff that was happening just before this but Biden is better doing that than trump because trump is is volatile and he says crazy things on twitter and he annoys union says dumb crap right that was the heart of the Biden campaign. That's why it was like a dead man. As OPPOSED TO LETTING ELIZABETH WARREN A fundamental change candidate or electing Bernie Sanders. A FUNDAMENTAL. Change candidate now Biden and saying well. I guess you know in light of this disaster. I'm going to go full. Full bore radical now that actually opens the door. To trump is kind of shocking. It truth. This is political malpractice on an incredible level Biden is not a fundamental change candidate and if he nominates a VP who is a fundamental change candidate. Kamala Harris if he nominates. Vp was fundamental stacey. Abrams then the the attack by the trump campaign is not going to be on. Joe Biden is old and incompetent and Nile. The campaign is going to be about. Would you like back? The pre point five percent unemployment we had just before this with functioning economy or do you want Joe Biden spending trillions of dollars on programs. He didn't like in the first place. Like universal healthcare Medicare for all that involves everybody losing the private healthcare. Are you really interested in Joe Biden? Just wiping away every last student loan after you paid your student loans and then thrusting that on the back of the tax payers but job. It's incredible this is the greatest time for return to normalcy campaign. Because guess what everybody is asking for in their bones a return to normalcy right. That's what you want. What I want is what everybody wants. And trump is trying to get back there but Biden could easily say look Donald Trump is not. I'm old enough to remember. When the slogan against trump was. This is not normal right. This is not normal and if we don't accept from normal and making him back to the old normal of kind of half corrupt politicians Joe Biden. Who's been a lifelong politico? Ensure he's like boring and is not bright but at least you knew what was coming in the morning and that was the campaign for Joe Biden shifting it according to the New York Times Mister. Biden's campaign has been rapidly expanding. Its policy drafting apparatus with the former. Vp promising on Monday detailed plans for the right kind of economic recovery. His already effectively shut his primary season theme of restoring political normalcy to the country replacing it with promises of sweeping Economic Change. Us running to counter to be basic political calculus. It's run to the left during the primaries in you run to the center. During the general he ran the center during the primaries and now he's running to the left during the general. How does that make any sense at all? He is now opening the door. Listen as Republican. I'm happy if you want trump reelected. You should be happy because it does allow you to make the argument very proper argument. That Joe Biden is going to radically shift the country on the back of pandemic on Wednesday Biden signal to knew. He was willing to reopen his policy. Platforming six policy task forces covering issues including healthcare climate in immigration as well as the economy that combined his core supporters with left-wing allies of Senator Bernie Sanders is vanquished primary opponents. Now he's going to just eat alive Bernie Sanders program honest to God if trump does not go after him for the radicalism it's political malpractice. It's amazing it's amazing that he's doing this. It's so politically incompetent on every insane level. It's sort of like when Mitt Romney decided who's going to campaign on the basis of being severely conservative right. What he was really campaigning on being not Obama and then Obama somehow made it into a referendum Romney. Well now from can make this into a referendum on Biden if Biden starts proposing radical crap. But that's what they're doing. They're talking about pumping trillions more into the economy enacting infrastructure and climate legislation far larger than previously envisioned passing a raft of aggressive worker protection laws expanding government backed health insurance creating enormous investments in public health jobs healthcare facilities childcare programs banning stock buybacks compelling big corporations to share more of their profits with workers a fundamental remaking of the American economy. Think anyone was on board with us. That's why Biden was dominated because no one was on board with this and he's doing it anyway. He's doing it anyway. It's an amazing amazing thing. I mean talk about seizing defeat from the jaws of victory right now so this should be the campaign for trump. The campaign for trump should be very easy. Joe Biden proclaimed that he is going to be back to normalcy. This ain't normalcy and he's openly saying he doesn't want normalcy pretty incredible incredible stuff. Okay time for some things that I hate. So let's talk about the media. The media are just absolutely egregious. Egregious I mean they will. They will cover any democratic narrative in the way the Democrats would like. It's truly impressive. So let's let's take for example. Stacey Abrams Stacey Abrams the nonentity she lost by fifty thousand votes in the state of Georgia. Fifty Thousand Brian. Kemp and that is not a close election. That is he not close election. She's still being heralded as the next big thing so much so that the Washington Post magazine printed an entire piece called the power of Stacey Abrams. Despite losing the governor's race in two thousand eighteen shows move quickly to political prominent. Will she be the vice presidential pick for Democrats? They would be insane to do this but maybe by going to do that. Maybe that's his job. Maybe he that if he campaigns radical than. It's GONNA redound to benefit because what you need to civility radicalism on. The ticket makes perfect sense. How ridiculous is the Washington Post piece about Stacey Abrams? They included a picture that looks as though she's being back lit for a Broadway show. She's like there's fog emerging from behind her as she wears a white seed through Cape and she's entirely sold wet. What in the world is going. She looks like a magician from Las Vegas like slap a top hat and a cane in her hand and she's GonNa make tiger appear or something. It's absurdity she's GonNa start singing theme songs from wicked. It's bizarro world bizarre. This is what the Washington Post portrays her. Add the top picture by the way from the Washington. Post of her is a picture of her sitting with a shiny table right in front of her and the pictures of her holding up to her and I well it looks like a giant monocle of an American flag and every picture is like this. I mean this picture is particularly ridiculous. I've never seen a profile picture like this. Then there's a giant picture in the profile of a mural of her of a mural of her in Atlanta on the side of a building. They're giving her like full Che Guevara Treatment here. There's a picture of her holding up a mirror of herself. So you can see like every photo is romantic. The media have never taken a good picture of Donald Trump ever every donald trump is him giving the smug Grin. It looks a little bit orange or something but Stacey Abrams said like post her in front of fog in front of fog. And you have to listen to how this piece is written this. Is they actually have a full paragraph describing how you walk onto a stage not kidding this is from the Washington Post piece ready pandemonium ensues? She walks to the far left of the stage like a runway. Supermodel stops on a dime poses. Tilt her head slightly and smiles camera. Flashes explode she next pivots and walks slowly to the center of the stage freezes there and repeats the pose again the flashes explode. Abrams is summoning her. Inner actress and she's both enjoying the moment and getting through it to get to the conversation. She then pivots and walks to the far right of the stage. Same you wonder whether she has done this before because it is not necessarily what would expect from a forty six year old politician? Whose nearly elected the first black female governor in US history. She lost by fewer than two percentage points in the two thousand eighteen Georgia race riddled with allegations of voter suppression before that she was a state. Legislator would served as leader in the Georgia General Assembly for a decade now. Her name on political pundits shortlist of potential running mates for Joe Biden. She also happens to predicted. She'll be elected president by twenty four. Wow she says it. We have taken seriously. The losing gubernatorial candidate Georgia predicts that she walked by the way in a horrible year for Republicans she predict. She's going to be president but I take data face value. I take that at face value. I think my daughter is going to be the president of the United States by twenty sixty. I guess we'll have to take that super duper seriously now. Just as quickly Abrahams leaves the runway and returns to politics a balloon of silence in the was puncture time and again by Amen and preach and you go girl. Visit your media. This is your pathetic stupid terrible media and they are awful awful in every possible way. This is even infused. People generally like in the media. Okay so you've heard me on the show. Praise Jake Tapper before like I think. Jake is a very journalist. I also think that Jake's coverage of the trump administration can be exceedingly biased. Okay so let me give you an example. So today yesterday Jake Tapper with as our and he suggested that they were talking about corona virus in the trump administration response and jake suggests that we were hit much harder than other countries. This is not true. It is not true by population. We were not hit harder than other countries in terms of deaths per million the United States ranked somewhere in the middle of Europe. And if you rank us without New York City we rank near the bottom of Europe. You can't take the number of cases in the United States number of deaths in the United States and compared to Italy which has one sixth our population. You can compare to the rest of Europe if you take us. Compared to Europe. We're doing better than Europe overall. But here's Jake not getting this right. This is just not getting it right. The United States has less than five percent of the world's population but the United States has also almost thirty percent of the world's officially reported corona virus deaths. You said back in January that quote the risk is low. Our job is to work to keep it that way so did the. Us government fail. Why is this virus hitting our country so much harder than it's hitting other countries so I just in terms of the actual case counts? We're testing more than other countries or than other major countries and so we're we're seeing a tremendous number of cases again. It is not correct to suggest that the United States hit harder than this than other countries. Europe has been hit with one hundred sixty two thousand deaths. The United States has been with approximately ninety thousand. That doesn't mean everything was handled. Great here it wasn't. It was mostly not handled great by governors for the First Line of defense against this sort of stuff not shoving people back into nursing homes of cove in nineteen. But this is not like and then you see Chuck Todd or Chuck Todd doing the same. Routine. Trump is exploiting the virus to pull US apart really trump during that or is it the media suggesting from the very get go. The president trump was blowing. This thing suggesting that. Who's withholding ventilators on the base of personal elections suggesting the Andrew? Cuomo is a hero in Ron San Civilian. I'm very tired of the media. Who have been engaged in exactly the same sort of political polarization is trump suddenly discovering. That trump is polarizing. This this does not excuse. Trump for being polarizing during a time we need unity but the media have been just as polarizing and in many cases more polarizing by deliberately covering the stats again. When you say that the United States has seem more cases of coronavirus we are testing more than any other nation. That doesn't mean that the test generate deposits as I said before it does mean that unless you test for flu. You don't know whether people have flu unless you are testing for a heart attack on somebody who had a heart attack or some other cause. Here's Chuck Todd blowing yesterday to before. The Corona virus hit political division was our pre existing condition. And all this makes it easy to forget how much most of us are actually pulling in one direction to get us through the worst health and now economic crisis in a century. So maybe this is a good moment to remind ourselves of all those acts of kindness selflessness and heroism that do pull us together even as protesters partisans and some high profile politicians exploit the situation to try to pull. Us apart okay again. This is just like haven't been watching. The media coverage the media coverage has all been about narrative of good and evil and now shifted in real time as it turns out that we can start moving toward reopening. It's just incredible. Meanwhile the same media who say that that only trump is polarizing. That trump is very bad. They've jumped on people talking about quote Unquote Obama Gate as a conspiracy hoax now. I'm just going to point out that when Donald Trump suggested media coverage of corona virus was a hoax. That they were saying the federal government wasn't doing anything in that was a hoax. The media immediately suggested that tremend- by that is the corona said self a hoax. That was a hoax. That wasn't true. That was a four Pinocchio claim. It was repeated endlessly by members of the media repeated endlessly by the Democratic Party. It is not a conspiracy hoax to point out that half of the Obama Administration was involved in unmasking. Michael Flynn and that it was a pretty good shot. That if you spend half your time following around Michael Flynn and you have half the administration with access to Michael Flynn's name and then it leaks to the media that somebody somewhere did something wrong. That is not a hoax when it turns out that the evidence supporting the idea trump Russia collusion allegations was extraordinarily skimpy like really skimpy. The first half of the Miller report which is all about trump Russia. Collusion is extraordinarily thin. Like really thin. Finley hair-thin unbelievably thin. It's the second half when it comes to obstruction restart getting into trump acting like a crazy person. But the first half the trump Russia collusion stuff turned out to be a big nothingburger. A giant Burger of nothing. Hey and when you say it looks like they bent the rules on that Pfizer Award for Carter Page which they did which a judge which the inspector general found out that Andrew McCabe lied to the media. I mean to the FBI. Rain didn't get prosecuted when it turns out that James Comey was keeping open an investigation into Michael Flynn even after the FBI knew that there was no actual material reason for the investigation to be opened against Michael. Flynn you start to think okay. Well let's take best case scenario. These people are firmly convinced that trump Russia collusion happened and they're willing to bend any in every rule in order to prove that had happened and carried on for two three years and the media were complicit in that but then like Jake. Yesterday he goes after Senator Ron Johnson. He says this is all a conspiracy hoax. Obama Gate thing okay. It is not a conspiracy hoax to point out that people were routinely bending rules that they were being overbroad about their application of unmasking. Many people and that would probably lead to the possibility of leaks to the media. Which indeed happened if that's not again. I'm not claiming that it was a top-down conspiracy to get Michael Flynn. I'm not claiming that it was a top-down conspiracy to leak his name to the media. I'm not claiming any of those things. I'm just claiming that a bunch of people who are thinking in the same direction namely that trump Russia collusion definitely happen. And we have to stop these guys before. It's too late that those people bent the rules in extraordinary ways that if this had happened trump to Obama not obama-trump. We'd be talking about impeachment on that basis alone probably that that is just reality. Here's here's Jake Tapper. Though to Ron Johnson that all the Obama Gate discussion all Michael Flynn discussions a conspiracy hoax. You have not made the allegation that the trump administration is making which is that President Obama committed crimes. You haven't said anything along those lines but your work you're requesting of this information Of the national the Director of National Intelligence Rick. Now and again. I'm I'm pro transparency. True release at all. But your work is being cited as an example as evidence for this crackpot conspiracy theory. Does that bother you? Keep calling you crack spiracy theory. I'm just trying to find out what happened again I. I don't know where people keep getting this idea that anyone who is serious is claiming the Barack Obama was like I want you to go falsely. Get Michael Flynn like. That's not what anybody is really claiming here. They're claiming that Obama was in the loop on the pursuit of Michael. Flynn and again. I think that there were people inside the administration who are convinced that flint had something of what she was guilty and that he needed to be pressured by the FBI. That's why the investigation stayed open. Evidence supports that theory of the case. It does that is not a conspiracy theory. Those documents are public. We now see them so but the media are willing it is. It's it's pretty amazing in Keighley mcenaney. Who's doing a very good jobs? Press Secretary by the way Kaley mcenaney. She came out yesterday and she scolded the media for their lack of curiosity in the case. And she's right to do so. You're an attorney and the president spokesperson. Perhaps you could lay out the elements of this crime. What crime was committed? And in what way I I assume you're referring to the Obama Administration and the unmasking. And what is what are the elements with that crime? And I'm really glad you asked because there hasn't been a lot of journalistic curiosity on front and I'm very glad that you asked this question Look there were a number of questions raised by the actions of the Obama Administration and she is correct all of that again. I don't think he leaves the president trump to lay out the theory of the case here nor do I think that anybody is going to get prosecuted nor should they be prosecuted. Only Susan Rice gets prosecuted for unmasking. I think the person who leads to the media should be prosecuted. But if you don't have evidence then you should but again. There was this General Mia's matic of corruption inside the Obama Administration where basically Obama would say. Wouldn't it be nice if this happened? And then somewhere down the line it would happen right. Obama didn't or the IRS to explicitly go out there and censor five hundred eighty three groups on the basis of ideology. It just happened after he suggested publicly that it'd be nice if five. Oh One C. Three groups weren't biased toward the right. Obama is a is a smart political operator. He wouldn't be caught dead with his hand in the cookie jar on this sort of stuff. That is not suggest even malign motive. Maybe he actually thought trump was colluding with Russia. Maybe all these people convince themselves. That's what was happening. But that's not exempt people from following the rules. Okay time for a very very quick thing that I like so things that I like today. There's a really interesting novel by an Israeli novelist. Mielke BRANDIS. It's called the orchard and it's all about the the generation that they really created the Thomma or ripe private previous to the creation of the Thomas it began it's story of Rebbe wife and Rabbi Akiva Rabbi Akiva one more famous ages in Jewish history. It's revisionist so if you're an Orthodox Jew it's got some stuff in there it's GonNa be scratching your head. You're like well. I don't remember this part from his helmet but with that said the last twenty pages of this book are quite moving and quite excellent The book is called the Orchard by Yawkey Bradenton very interested in sort of ancient Jewish conflicts in ancient Jewish philosophy. The Christians come into play a lot here because this around the birth time of Christianity. Paul Saul of Tarsus is a character. You can check it out. The Orchard by Brandon is translated from the Hebrew in the translation is pretty good already will be back later. Two additional hours of contents otherwise. We'll see you here tomorrow. 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