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Coronavirus cases worldwide pass 2 million

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

49:09 min | 5 months ago

Coronavirus cases worldwide pass 2 million

"Social distancing flattening the curb in some places something it is because of the hygiene practices and social distancing that that is the case while corona virus hot spots flareup in others we are bending the curve of the infection rate and the deaths are still rising in the city and heroes on the frontlines working to save every life possible. You have no fence the where we have inside. Who was a good ice? And you're playing God tonight. Lawrence O'Donnell and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel on how long Americans need to stay at home? And where facemask in our global health war. If we don't continue to follow social distancing than everything that we've done to flatten the curve. So will be for nothing. How testing will prove key to opening the economy testing? Antibodies testing on a scale. That we have not done before and the latest on the crucial efforts to find a vaccine. And this is a special edition of the last word life in their time of corona virus life in the time of. Corona virus involves challenges. We have never seen before. It has now delivered the largest number of people in American history. Who are worried about where they are going to get their next meal or next meal's millions of people who have lost their incomes and worrying about how they can afford food or not lining up at food pantries for the first time in their lives and the food supply from farm to supermarket is being challenged as never before imagined the weight of worry when you're looking at your children and wondering how you're going to feed them next week or next month and added to that is the worry of being infected with the deadly krona virus which will be with us until we have a vaccine. We'll be joined tonight by someone who is leading research and development for that vaccine and we will get a report from inside a New York emergency room on a day. When the governor of New York Kendra Cuomo was to announce that the number of new admissions two New York. Hospitals is declining for the first time. Hospital admissions have dropped seventeen percent in New York since Saturday. The death toll in New York state seems to be declining with six hundred. Seventy one deaths in the last twenty four hours as of tonight the United States has twenty three thousand four hundred. Seventy six reported deaths by corona virus and the total number of reported cases is five hundred. Seventy nine thousand nine hundred. Nine governor Cuomo has formed an alliance of governors who border New York and are close or close to New York to confront the corona virus as a country should confront the corona virus with a unified strategy. The governors have stepped into the leadership vacuum. That was well documented by the New York Times this weekend and reporting on how President Trump delayed taking decisive action against the krona virus nationally and then publicly refused to take responsibility for our national defense against the corona virus. I don't take responsibility at all. One of the governors in that northeast alliance will join US tonight. Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont. I'll get his reaction to the president telling the lie today and there's nothing else you can call it but ally the lie that the president has total authority to reopen the economy. The president's lies were so extreme about this today that it provoked one reporter to finally shout out. That's not true as viewers of this program have known for weeks now. The president shutdown nothing. The president can reopen nothing. Every word that the president says about reopening the country is pure posturing it as pure propaganda. I'll have the last word to say about that at the end of this hour but for most of this hour we are going to be concentrating on what you need to know about what is happening in our hospitals in the fight against the corona virus where we are in the development of a vaccine. And what you need to know about our current and future food supply during this pandemic with me once again for the hours. Discussion of science and medicine. Doctor Zeke Emmanuel Zeke Emmanuel is a physician and he holds a PhD political philosophy doctrine manual served in the Clinton administration and the Obama Administration. He is now the vice provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania Dr Manuals now. Nbc News and Msnbc Medical Contributor. Zeke We saw Dr Anthony Fauci yesterday. Say that more lives could have been saved if the United States had started mitigation. Sooner he said that on the day that the New York Times published that investigative piece showing how Donald Trump personally delayed the federal government's active support of mitigation and then today with Donald Trump. Looking on doctor PAL chief said this. I was asked a hypothetical question and hypothetical questions sometimes can get you into some difficulty because it's what would have a good at the nature of the hypothetical question was if in fact we had mitigated earlier could lives have been saved and the answer to my question was as I always do and I'm doing right now. Perfectly honestly say yes I mean. Obviously if you mitigation helps I've been up here many times telling you that. Mitigation Works Zeki reaction to what you said yesterday. And then the way he repeated today He's just right. We obviously knew early. On in January there were indications from the intelligence services and many others that corona virus was around in China and was a serious threat to the country that it was going to come to the United States and that it could wreck havoc the havoc that it has had in the country before This was obvious the people we know about the Peter Navarro memos to the president So the question is could we have done something differently and the clear answer to that as Dr FAO chief said is yes? We could have done things differently. We could have tried to contain it when it first arose. We could have had tried to create a very robust testing mechanism that we could have had in place before The march and we could have tried mitigation efforts where it took. Hold like in Seattle Those things were not led by the president and the administration despite out clear warnings by government officials people inside the White House and when Dr Foul to judge says yes. If we had done mitigation earlier we could have kept the curse even flatter than they are today He's simply speaking a fact. I mean that is And I don't think there's a political twist to this. It's just a fact about the way Biology works viruses work viruses. Spread that if you start earlier you're going to reduce the number of people who are infected and therefore reduce the spread. I don't think this is a controversial comment. And the fact that there's even a question about attacking Dr Foul for saying it seems to me just to fly in the face of basic biology that we know about viruses just a quick follow up based on your experience working in the White House. We have an exhaustive report in The New York Times yesterday describing how long it took for the experts like doctor filed cheat to get in front of Donald Trump to actually tell him and brief him because the president was going through moods and he didn't want to hear about things and so today doctor. Fauci said that the one we did recommend that the president make a statement encouraging social distancing. The president did what we recommended. It was very clear Track in the New York Times about how long it took to get Dr Falke in the room with the president. You know how the White House works. You know how long that kind of thing can take. What was your reading of up that kind of delay of getting the medical experts in front of the president as we saw in the New York Times report. Well I worked for President Obama and he read a briefing book every any read it very thoroughly and if a memo like this what we need to have done was in that briefing book. President Obama would have read it and would have called a meeting together to ask. That's what he did. When h one n one broke out he got a memo about it. He read it and he called the meeting together and he began asking people to get all the options in front of him and to understand what the situation was. This is part of the chaos of the trump White House for not. That doesn't allow clear reading of memos and clear instructions and getting the experts together in the Roosevelt Room. Frankly during our discussion now is one of the heroes of the frontline. Dr Eric Pressman. He's the chief resident in medicine at Mount Sinai and elmhurst hospitals in New York City. Dr Br thank you very much for joining us tonight. Did their reason to be hopeful for what we're seeing in. New York hospitals tonight absolutely We've seen Real signs I think the the social distancing measures are having a measurable impact We've seen signs that the admissions are declining the flow patients. The climbing. I I it. It definitely cause for optimism and I have to say the the the work of the Front Line. The the residents all workers have been unbelievable spectacular. Show up to work every single day. Not just sensitive duty but with a sense of purpose and it's been an honor and a privilege to work alongside them. What's the most challenging thing about dealing with these patients from a medical standpoint? I think we're we're fighting two battles here. The of this public house battle offered to To flatten the curve. Which is seems to be going well but the second one is a clinical HYPICA- battle to better understand the course of the disease understand what happens these patients. We still can't really predict with reasonable certainty. Who's going to do well and who's GonNa do poorly and as a medical community. We're still very much in the dark and that that weighs heavily on clinician. There's a tremendous amount of research going on. My tiny has led the way in terms of convalescent plasma therapy and I and other Therapies and Working on vaccine as well but That uncertainty Really ways clinicians to have to look patients in the eye impressment and I understand it. We get a lot of cases where patients are on the vent. They seem to be doing well. And then suddenly they have plots in different places they have heart attacks unexpected medical complications. Is that what you're experiencing? We're we're definitely seeing that. And there are a lot of theories circulating around Klotz as a big part of this disease The jury is still out there. The office series that this overwhelming immune response I think again when all the dust settles and we look back on this will probably different types of patients different substrates patients who take a different courses but It's certainly a fascinating time to be in. The medical field does happen in real time But in the moment that it's a little unsettling and and it's it's difficult so and what do you think for a front as a frontline doctor? The most difficult social or Patient interactions you have going forward. Are you know I mean to start with it? Is that uncertainty? You know as a as a young generation of physicians where we we've been raised on a lot of certainty. We didn't live through the as academic we we know we were taught everything we we knew. How every virus acted down to the smallest vary on and to not know right now for us and incredibly incredibly humbling. I talked very difficult to watch. These patients suffer alone. They don't have visited their family. Members aren't with them And we're really their only family and their time of need and while that's a tremendous opportunity for. It's really difficult to watch talk to Eric. Pressman thank you once again for yards and we really appreciate it. Come thank you. Dr Connecticut is one of the seven northeastern states that today announced an alliance of governors who are fighting the corona virus and who will eventually consider the extremely complex questions that have to be answered before those governors can relax or remove their orders for all non essential workers to stay home and joining us. Now is the governor of Connecticut. Ned Lamont governor. Thank you very much for joining US tonight. We really appreciate it. I'm sure by now you have heard that. Donald Trump has declared you have absolutely no power to quote reopened Connecticut. It's totally up to him. The president said his authority is total Luckily at least one White House reported got it right and shouted out. That's not true. But what was your reaction to the president telling this and I won't drag you into the debate over it. I'm just going to let the audience know it's a complete lie. The president has no authority. He didn't shut anything down in Connecticut. but what is your reaction to the way? The president spoke about it today. These comments come and go loves us to run down these rabbit holes. We had a good meeting with the Cova Task Force including Vice President Pence. He knows that all of the regional governors here in the northeast at work together on a very clever way for a phased reopening based upon testing. We're GONNA open up are a staple. GonNa do it in the Safest Way. Possible Governor your teamed up with all your neighboring States Rhode Island Massachusetts. New York. New York has added to that team New Jersey Pennsylvania on the New York Border Delaware also agreeing to approach this Pardon the expression but as a country would extend approach it as we kind of expected the president to lead this kind of approach to it. Because obviously what happens in New York what happens in Rhode Island Massachusetts has a huge effect on Connecticut? So you can't make these decisions independently. No you can't. I mean if I look at how the Cova pandemic hit. Connecticut came right up along Metro north and I ninety five from New York going all the way through. Fairfield county up to new haven. That's the Cova Corridor for Connecticut. Right now and I cannot solve that less. Andrew Cuomo helps Sabat in in his side of the border as well. That's why we're thinking together. A zone where we ought to do the molecular testing where we do the antibody testing. Halley share that data. Then we do. We'll share that with the federal government. So they could make the right decisions as well. Just want to clarify for viewers although you as the governor and governor Cuomo and others had the to simply closed down of businesses and say no non essential businesses are allowed to operate. When you relax that order. That doesn't actually mean that any private business has to reopen so although you have the power to close them you don't really have the power to open business. No but we do allow them to open. Allow them to have more than two or five people in there and I think there are clamoring for that Opportunity. But nobody obligates them though. But you're absolutely right. If they feel unsafe they wanna stay close longer. They can what I care about. Is the public health. I just cannot have one hundred people clamoring into a store next Thursday because that's the second wave of pandemic to have in order to evaluate the risk for people going back to work or going back to school. Well I WANNA do is test. The first responders make sure they're safe going into the hospital going into the nursing home a secondly. I want to test the folks who work at electric boat and Pratt Whitney. They're going into the factory floor by law. GotTa keep them open. They've got a number of sections there be right now. They did the gowns. They need the fever meters. They gotTA BE TESTED. And then more broadly test the person at the Nail Salon and barbershop that make sure they're not inspecting twelve people a day even if patients come in on a point basis only and just for the audience. Electric boat is major defense contractor in Connecticut. Obviously an essential operation. That's why that's open but it's right in that New London Connecticut area where people working there on a daily basis. The question becomes what happens in their commute. What happens when they go home? What kind of exposure people have from workers? Who are out there already and coming home every day. We don't really know the answers to those questions. Do we know but we certainly six of guidance. There we want you tested on the way in fever. Test tested on the way out. You've got to stay at home and not see anybody. These are the conditions that working in a critical defense industry. Because all you need is five or six people. In fact didn't Pretty Soon. The whole factory floor could be infected governor. What would you say to the president about how he should deal with this question about? Who has the authority in Connecticut to close down businesses? And who has the authority to release that order of closing down businesses? I'd say Mr President. I remember a couple of weeks ago. And you're on your way to the helicopter and you said Hey. Maybe we should have a mandatory quarantine of the New York Metropolitan area. And I got together with Cuomo Governor Murphy and we had no idea what that now. Do you want to shut down? Highways leading in announced shutdown. Rail and we did have a good conversation. Affirm Conversation said this is unenforceable law and we pulled back some of the extremes and we reached an agreement that was a workable for all of us. I'd like to make that surrogate end up on opening our estates as well so just so connecticut. A people working in Connecticut can understand. Should they be listening to you or should they be listening to Donald Trump about when they might be able to go back to work? Look I think everybody knows. It's the governor's enforce the rules. Since the governor's that you have to wear the rubber meets the road so would certainly lead with the governor's because that's the way the White House has done as well. They're saying governors. You have to take the lead on stopping this pandemic now. He wants you to take the lead on opening up the business on an appropriate way governor. Ned Lamont thank you very much for journalists and we really appreciate it. Thanks aren't nice to see A. And Dr Zeke. Emanuel is back with us a Zeke. The governor said that the plan is eventually for a phased reopening based on testing. Those were his words. When will these governors have the kind of testing? They need to suggest. Businesses are able to reopen the honest answer. Is We don't know I think Dr Or Governor Lamont had some really good points. I the importance of travel between states as a conduit for reinfecting areas and so even when we open up. That is a serious worry in being able to test people who might come into a community is very very important just to be sure whether we're getting new infections in the community second you heard him. He needs to test first responders. He needs to tell healthcare workers he needs to test workers in essential industries fast tens of thousands of tariffs in the state of Connecticut. Probably every day every other day. And that's we haven't even spoken about patients or the symptomatic spreaders that will also need to be tested or family relatives of someone who turns out to be positive And we don't seem to have the testing infrastructure. Nothing about testing has gone right in this country. Abbott with that fifteen minute tests. A lot of those are not being used. Because we don't have the reagents. We don't have trained personnel So I'm a little skeptical. We're going to have the testing infrastructure to release Have not essential businesses? Really Begin to start Sort of in May or in June There doesn't seem to be any work that was really done to put that in place now. We'll have to work furiously for the month of May. Yeah I mean as we sit here tonight. There's no testing infrastructure out there on the horizon. We'd have to at least be able to see it on the horizon to say that it's ready to be used at some point in the future. Zeke Emanuel standby stay with US. When we come back the race to find a vaccine the vaccine has to be created then tested then validated and then manufactured and then distributed worldwide. Not just in the United States we will be joined next by a scientist who will be involved in every step of that process. That's next hey it's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'LL BE TALKING WITH JOHN. Berry author of the book the Great Influenza about the last Global Pandemic. We analyzed what cities dead in nineteen eighteen and found that those cities which intervened early at a much better experience at the very least in terms of flattening the curb. If the intervene too late viruses already widely disseminated in your community and no intervention is GonNa have any effect if the enemy is already inside. The home doesn't do any good to lock the door. 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Wherever you get your pockets whenever you hear a serious scientist or a serious governor talk about returning to normal in the time of Corona virus somewhere very close to the word normal you will hear the word vaccine in the past. Developing vaccines has sometimes taken decades but scientists around the world are now working at ultra high speed in the hope of getting a vaccine into distribution next year. Zeke Emanuel is back with US Zeke. Is there actual hope of a viruses early? As next year Lawrence there is a hope of a vaccine being ready in twenty twenty one fats. Conceivable because scientists began working out vaccine practice who practically the day that the viral genome was made public. And we've decided to break it all down for you breakdown. How we make a vaccine with some animated help from our friends at bio digital the viruses tiny package of genetic information covered by a fat layer in which there are protein. Spikes the virus that hitches a ride into the body goes down into the lungs and into the long sacks where attaching itself to special receptors on the long sells it invades the cells of the airways and then replicates exponentially the immune system. Either succeeds in flushing the virus out? But sometimes it can call substantial and even fatal harm to the body. Vaccines generally target the middle of this process after the virus gets into the body and they try to interrupt the virus from binding to the cells and hijacking the cells in replicating generally speaking vaccines train your immune system to respond and prepare you to fight off the virus before it becomes an infects the cells of your body. Here's what scientists hope to achieve with the successful vaccine if you've ever been vaccinated you now possess billions of antibodies and immune cells ready to fight off the virus if you become exposed to it these are represented in Green. Antibodies serve many purposes in the immune system. But for simplicity sake they play too key roles. The first is blocking the binding of a virus to your lung cells occupying the spike proteins on the outside of the virus. The second function is as a signal antibodies. Tell the rest of your immune system to send in reinforcing cells to target and kill the viral intruder. The thing to remember is vaccines train your immune system to produce those antibodies and those. Antibodies prevent the virus from doing harm to you. So let's say we've now developed a candidate vaccine. What are the barriers from keeping me from getting that vaccine vaccines work because scientists take the time necessary to ensure that they're safe and that they are in fact effective to prevent you from becoming infected to get to that point there are usually three phases of clinical trials phase? One is a safety trial. Can I give this healthy person? A vaccine and not make them sick and God forbid killed them face to as efficacy. Does the vaccine actually produce an increase in antibodies directed at the virus and phase? Three is an effectiveness. Trial Dose of vaccine actually prevents you from getting corona virus. Once you clear those three hurdles then the FDA gives the green light to mass produce and distribute the backseat doses to the hundreds of millions of people who need every one of these steps involves patients volunteers and scientists. And there's no one long step but rather many small steps that caused the process to take many months into a year and a half before you can get a shot and if you get it in a year and a half that would be record time right now. Countless scientists are racing to get a vaccine for the novel Corona Virus. One of the efforts. You might have heard about comes from the pharmaceutical giant Johnson and Johnson. They're part of a billion dollar effort along with the Department of Health and Human Services. That was really good. News for the Johnson and Johnson Stock Price especially the headline that they might be able to start testing on human beings as early as September. Now we get to ask how the work is going. Joining us is Hanukkah shotmaker. She's the global head of viral vaccines at Johnson and Johnson. She's also a professor of variety at the Amsterdam University Medical Center. Welcome Hanukkah thank you so I wanna ask you about the nature of the vaccine that you Johnson and Johnson are trying. How is it special? Yes so we are using. We call a factor system so it's really the method by which we presents the corona a piece to the human body and we have applied this system also in our a bowl ethic scene also for our age of the vaccine candidate in our cupcakes candidate so accent replication incompetence cold virus of which we have debated the piece of its unique material and replace that in this case with a piece of genetic material of the corona virus that scouting coding for the protein. So you're taking a common cold virus. Putting some of the corona virus protein in it and that is going to present to the body to rev up the immune system to fight the corona virus. Absolutely yes so that by that it's really McCain the protein of the corona virus editors. Sad's on the virus and Saudi immune system sees really the native protein and makes the correct immuno responsibly. At least that's what we are hoping for and also see now in our workers experiments and when will the whole thing be ready? Do you think September is a realistic time to start the phase? One safety testing. Well yes I think it is. Of course we have a lot of first-time right sanctions in our timeline. But currently we we are meeting all the deadlines that that we have set ourselves. And of course it's also always With permission of the authorities right so we will have discussions with the regulatory authorities. If they agree with our package so far we are in a good dialogue and the phase. One safety testing. How many humans do you expect to get your backseat? Yes we want to initiate with a group of two hundred and fifty people to do some those finding and also seed we need warmer two doses to get the good immune response and then of course we. We need to go in annexed standard safety call heart before we would go into large groups for Pixie testing and in your type of system. What are the major side effects? You see say the side effects you see with the Abo- La Attempt. What are you really looking for in terms of adverse events? Yeah so what we know from our different vaccines that are based on the same platform. So all on that common goal survivors system and we know that people can have some fever in the beginning bucks we market. That's very tolerate very well. Tolerated vaccine and also with a very favorable safety profiles so at the of course we should not do any presumptions. What will look like but we have good expectations. And then you're going to move to a face to efficacy study where you're expecting the body to produce antibodies to the protein. Is that correct? Yeah so I also. This study serves to find out whether it's immuno-genetic Selena weekend get anybody's also good cellular immune responses and we have the package ready and then again of course with permission of the authorities. We will hopefully start with the efficiency C. Study EARLY NEXT YEAR. In that study we will test whether the innumerable that we can elicit will give protect community so whether it will prevent people from Developing Code Nineteen th Easter. That's actually more that's actually more effective. This study that's actually assessing whether people are protected from getting covert nineteen. Is that correct? Yes that is correct. So I to sweats mechanic. A I very safe and immunity and then in the next faced we can test whether it's effective and that I take it would be record time to get a vaccine into people. Yes so what we have seen. Of course that other companies with Ethan foster platforms are already people and I think we are sort of on the needs immediate. Set Timeline of our forte's really that we know how to produce our fixing that we rent production that would really with research could speed so that we have that stofile randy end by the end of next year. We we foresee we have produced one billion dollars so I think that reader's platform thank you Hanukkah shoot macher global head of viral vaccines a Johnson. Johnson. Thank you very much for helping us understand how you produce vaccines against Corona virus. And when we come back food insecurity across the country long lines at foodbanks now include many people who used to serve food for a living since the restaurant industry has basically closed down and at the same time some farmers have had to destroy their products. How insecure is our food supply becoming in this country and Zimmerman joins US next life in the time of Corona virus means crisis on top of crisis for millions of Americans who have lost their jobs and incomes which leaves them worrying about how they afford food if they can find food on the shelves of our markets while they worry about the possibility of actually catching this deadly virus? The economic shutdown has dramatically increased the lines of food pantries around the country. Ten thousand people lined up in San Antonio Southern California to thousands of long lines in southern California to thousands of cars lined up in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. We all know that the unemployment application filings have dramatically increased and also dramatically understate. How many people have lost their income and their jobs. So far since the states have been overwhelmed with those unemployment applications. A more realistic picture is drawn in new MONMOUTH survey. That finds that four in ten Americans have lost income as a result of the pandemic in that same survey more than half of Americans say they are having trouble finding certain items in stores toilet paper and hand sanitizer or at the top of that scarcity list but the scarcity list also contains certain food items now and so tonight more people are worried about where their next meal or future meals are coming from than ever before and the delivery of all of our meals now depends on a food supply chain from farmer to supermarket that has never been under more stress. Andrew Zimmerman is an award winning chef writer and teacher and the host of the MSNBC Limited series. What's eating America Andrew? Thank you very much for joining us. Tonight let's start with the food supply chain and what's happening. Were reading about. Farmers Dumping Crops Dumping Products. What is happening in the in the supply chain we? We've gone in a short matter of weeks. Lawrence from the shame of seen those that could afford to buy food eat depleting the shelves in supermarkets to talking about if there was enough food a few weeks ago I was on air saying there wasn't a food and supply chain but the first cracks would be distribution based and we started to see that Last week you shut down. Restaurants shut down schools and the traditional pathway for a lot of those trucks from the wholesaler in warehouses now has to be rerouted to the places where are actually picking up food. The grocery store the community resource kitchen Were some other Public or private space. Which is doing community resource work allowing people to pick up goods but remember this healthcare crisis. We're in and you know. I talked a couple of weeks ago on the shows about the healthcare cracks that would soon appear We saw that last week. With reports from the farmers themselves that conditions on the farms in the factories on the fishing boats in the crab houses in the abattoirs people were not practicing proper physical distancing. They weren't cleaning properly. A lot of workers are living in those places of four to six to a room Taking a transportation to and from work As a group and a lot of us were talking about the fact that if we didn't protect workers in the supply chain. We're in trouble. Will the reality is. That's where we are now based on the smithfield processing plants. Shutting down in South Dakota That's a hot spot in that state from Corona's corona virus case total standpoint right. It's about forty percent of the cases in South Dakota in that plant itself. It's also responsible for four percent of the pork that sold in the United States. So we do we do now. Have a supply chain a problem You were talking with the doctor before about the necessity for testing. We need to be testing and retesting these essential skilled workers and we needed to have been doing it weeks ago. We need to get those frontline workers and food people farmers anyone touching our food and grocery stores etc people trucking. It are a central workers now and they need to be protected tested because they're working. Living conditions are prone to transmit not mitigate the virus Andrew. I've been urged to include people working at our supermarkets as part of the frontline troops who are actually keeping us. Go through this. I haven't been thinking all the way back in the supply chain to what you just identified. Those are the forgotten heroes of this story. Yeah we've we've kept them in the shadows we talked about this in our premiere episode of. What'S EATING AMERICA? You know the immigrants and documented undocumented workers of visa workers the people who've been demonized by the administration for the last several years. We've actually disincentivize from going in participating in our healthcare system even showing up at the emergency room. These are people who don't have healthcare. They don't have paid sick. Leave they are paying into our tax system. They are essential workers. They are skilled workers. But we've done everything possible to disincentive. Incentivize them from helping out by taking care of themselves at a time where it is essential that we all be taking care of ourselves as a way to take care of the people in our country. I'm really really worried about the the workers in our supply chain. The the trucks were capitalist society. The trucks will find their way to the places where it needs to go. A cucumbers will grow again but we need to have people who are planking cucumbers. We need to have people who are cutting the chickens in the chicken factories. We have people who are who are taking fish out of the ocean without people. It's a very very simple idea. Goes back ten thousand years. We don't have people producing the food. We're not going to be able to eat. Zeke Emanuel has a question. Yeah so I want to understand how you think we are going to keep the food going. And in this moment our farmers going to be able to plant and have a reliable crop and also have a reliable marketplace. Come the fall or is this whole system going to break down well you you've actually mentioned four different places and I want to remember the pieces of your questions actually really really complex right so we already have fewer visas being given this year in the ministration for those seasonal workers that are coming up and we know that we have a very large percentage of Americans who are sick and more that will be getting sick and were practising of physical distancing in this country. So you know air go. We're going to have fewer workers on farms. Doing planty right. We're not talking about giant agribusinesses where machines plant the corn. We're talking about what are deemed specialty crops. Which is food for human consumption right? So we're going to have a problem. This season getting everything into the into the ground. The people of the United Farm workers that I speak to her very very concerned about how we're taking care of our farm workers and by extension all our people in the food system. We need testing and retesting. And we need to keep these people safe. Otherwise who will replace them? Andrew Zimmer and thank you very much for joining us our Andrew. We've gotta get you back. There's so much more to talk about in this subject. Thank you Andrew. Very much so much. Thank you and we'll be back with some final comments but first many of you have sent heartfelt thank. Yous to nurses and doctors and healthcare workers all over the country tonight. We have thank you. Notes to first responders read via the people who received those. Thank you notes here. We have some letters from the community showing their appreciation. We love firefighters. Thank you for saving people. We are thankful for your helping hands. Thank you for all you do. Fire Station thirty five. We see you. We appreciate you and you truly are heroes. I received this note from one of my little friends while she was picking up her split. Lunch says thank you for protecting our city thing. Keep you are a revolt? Thank you for everything you have done for me and my family meant to thank you for risking your lives to help people or sick really thank you forever love of Xm off surveys. Whereas thanks for your support. I'm glad this found the gods Iraq. I hope you enjoy. It can't wait to stand with you when they you so much. Michaela girl incredibly incredibly touched and wanted to thank you afraid in the support group during this crisis I was hesitant to reach out for assistance as I am. Usually the person helping and not asking for help you did everything you could to make sure received what I needed. There are not enough words to thank you guys. Thank you list. Your actions will never be forgotten overlooks. Love some of the foreman together. We all get through. Thanks again for putting your lives on the line forever. Grateful Heather Y for once again brushing it when you August. Thank you and we love. There is some encouragement tonight in the corona virus statistics. We are seeing in New York and the frontline report that we got earlier in this hour from Dr. Eric pressman from New York. City and that encouragement is that that indicates that social distancing is working. That means that if we really are slowing the spread of the corona virus. It is thanks to you. It is thanks to everyone who is staying home. Everyone who's being. Ultra careful when they have to go out for groceries wearing a mask gloves. And so all of you who have been observing all the rules deserve a congratulations tonight. Because what you're doing seems seems to be working doctors AK- manual your final thoughts tonight. I WanNa tell you a story. It begins with something that we think of as. Just a catchphrase here. Big about about that alarm was sent by the Apollo Thirteen astronauts back to mission control fifty years ago tonight. Almost at this precise our they were supposed to be going to the moon but an oxygen tank exploded two hundred thousand miles above the earth. They had lost most of the power and water. They use our lunar module as a lifeboat but it was designed to support just two people for Thirty Hours. Not Three people for four days. There simply wasn't enough oxygen together. The astronauts in the air and the engineers on the ground devised an ingenious solution. Jerry rig filtration system so the three astronauts could breathe again they use plastic bags cue cards hoses and of course duct tape and it worked. We remember the Apollo crew and the engineers at mission control is heroes not because they succeeded at a lunar landing but because the astronauts returned home safely right now none of us going about daily life in the way we intended. Whether you're aiming for the moon or a chance to raise your hand in third grade math class. Your life has been interrupted by a viral explosion and sunset in sense. We're all far from home or also beyond fortunate in another sense. Apollo thirteen was called a successful failure because the men and women at Mission Control never gave up today. We have the smartest doctors nurses and scientists all working to get us back to normalcy. Their efforts already a Herculean by the end of this crisis will think that their efforts were miraculous as we heard again tonight. We're in this for the long haul. A vaccine will be more than a year away and that time we can all be heroes each in our own individual way. The working from home handwashing avoiding large crowds wearing masks in public. What we are doing everyday is working hard. We're flattening the curve. I staying strong now. We're getting ready for the next steps. A path forward to getting social life and the economy going again. The work will be difficult and slow at times. It may be scary but I know Americans are ready to do their part. Because we've already shown that by all working together we too can return home sake and in. Tonight's last word. I want to reemphasize a couple of points that I made with Governor Ned. Lamont Connecticut earlier tonight for first of all and this is something. You've heard me say weeks ago at this hour. The president did not close a single place of business in America and the president cannot reopen a single place of business in American not one. Several governors have used their legal authority to issue emergency orders for all nonessential workers to stay home in their states and only those governors have the power to remove those orders or to gradually and very carefully adjust those orders to legally allow more people to leave their homes to go to work. But even if that happens it will still be up to the company that you work for to decide whether to open that workplace again for you to return to. No one in government can order any of those businesses to open governors. Do have that emergency power to close those businesses businesses. But as you heard Governor Lamont agree with me tonight. Governors do not have any power to order any business to open. Unfortunately the president of the United States is going to continue to pretend that he has what he calls total authority about this but he actually has no authority at all none. No one in government can order a business to open. That's why it's called private. Enterprise Zeke One of the things that the president doesn't seem to understand is that the reason a lot of people are staying. Home is that their companies have told them to stay home and told them to stay home before any governors told them to do that yet. And you know many of us think that San Francisco has done remarkably well because many of the big tech company sent their workers home before they were told to same thing in Seattle with Amazon and Microsoft And they have to decide that it's safe enough to bring their workers back and I'm not sure that's going to happen. Just because the president decides it's the right time or he's going to do it. Zeke Emanuel thank you very much for for the hour once again tonight. Really appreciate it.

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U.S. lags behind other countries in coronavirus testing

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U.S. lags behind other countries in coronavirus testing

"The push to return to normal Georgia moves towards reopening business. I think we're taking the right. Measured approach the right time even as scientists say. It's not safe yet it's a marathon not a sprint. Just because their numbers are going down doesn't mean that McCain stop these efforts tonight Alabel she and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel on. How testing is key to the balance between economic health and Public Health? Could this lead to unnecessary deaths? There is a danger of a rebound and the scientific race for answers. A vaccine may be far off. But what are we learning today about a cure for Kobe? People have the. Antibodies can donate blood for the convalescent plasma. Which is probably one of the best therapeutics that show promise and the lessons overseas classes back in session for some schools in Europe. What does it mean for our students? Here this is a special edition of the last word life in the time of Corona virus. Welcome to another night of life. In the time of Corona virus. We have come to a moment of growing restlessness in the United States as some people begin to protest what they see as oppressive unnecessary closures of businesses and schools and others are protesting. What they see as inaction and a lack of straight talk by the administration doctors scientists experts in public health. They all say the country cannot return to normal until we have adequate testing for the virus and treatment for the disease. We don't have either one nor do we have the ultimate solution of axime but there are reasons for hope tonight. We're going to look at one attempt to develop a treatment. We're going to get the latest on when and how kids might return to school and we're going to talk to Microsoft founder Bill Gates on his efforts to speed development of treatments and the all important corona virus vaccine with me once again for the hour. Dr Zeke Emmanuel Doctor Emmanuel physician who served as a health policy advisor in the Obama Administration. These now the vice provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania doctrine manual is also an NBC News and Msnbc Senior Medical Contributor. Zeke good to see you again today. Let's start things off with you. Giving us a sense of where we are in this crisis your vital signs for this moment in our national life. Nice to be here with you Allie. I have three vital. Sounds that really stand out for me tonight I? We're not going to get out of this crisis without testing and right now we're not doing nearly enough tach thing. Compared to other countries when it comes to how much of our population can get a corona virus test you can see in this slide. Were behind second and places where we're able to test a lot like the navy's US ass. Theodore Roosevelt they found that seventeen percent of the crew had gotten the virus and an amazing sixty percent of the positives had no symptoms at all while they are sailors. But if they hadn't been tested they never would have known that they had the virus. Which shows you? How important is that? We be able to test people so we can find the virus and stop it spread and the third vital side because we don't have nearly enough testing the only way to contain. The virus has been to shut everything down as a result. Twenty six million Americans in the last four weeks of file for unemployment. That is a crazy painful number and we don't know that we're through with it. Because the last week we had four point four million after six more than six million in the previous weeks we still may be looking at adding millions to that number. And I don't want to drag you into politics. Zeke but at twenty twenty and everything. These days seems to be a little bit political so I want to get your take as a medical professional on something. Donald Trump said yesterday at the White House. Let's listen together. So supposing we hit the buddy with a tremendous Whether it's ultra violent or just very powerful light and I think you said that has injected. You're GONNA test and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body you can which you can do either through the scanner In some other way. And then I see the disinfectant it out in a minute minute and is there a way we can do? Something like that By injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see gets the lungs and it does a tremendous number will be interesting to check that so that you're GonNa have to use medical doctors with but it sounds it. Sounds interesting to me. So here's the thing. He's not entirely wrong on both fronts. Right we know that these disinfectants kill the germs. And we know that. Uv light from the Sun. Kills the germ. But what do you make of? How trump put that all together? I react to it as if I were a parent and I am a parent You know you star in constant dread that your kid is going to get into the bleach or the Lysol or the fan drastic so you lock it under the sink and you make sure that there's a secure lock on that cabinet and you have the poison control number on your refrigerator And you just hope that you know you never leave the cabinet open and the kid gets into it and now you have president telling people while maybe we should take you know bleach or something that those disinfectants treat this just everything parents. Fear is in that statement. It's just a blood curdling that someone would advocate this on television where kids could hear it. Now here's the thing Zeke Tomorrow morning to add ardell. Who Sort of studying you see light and And these sorts of things. So there's a there's a sense that the president said today was being sarcastic although if you've watched that video didn't look like sarcasm but there's a sense that some of these things all have a little bit of truth in them. There's a bit of a danger about the president of the United States. Sort of leading that charge. Yeah he he isn't a doctor. He's not an expert in how we assess whether things work or as you could tell from the clip about how we actually get therapeutic items into the body and I. I don't like to say people should stay in their own lane. You know it does take some technical expertise to understand how we can deliver therapies to people And we shouldn't be talking about it casually right. Presidents also talked about other treatments and one of them is a combination treatment that includes hydrochloric hydroxy. Clark win now this week. A panel at the National Institutes of health which recommended against having doctors prescribed that combination. Are we any closer this week to having either a a scientifically sound treatment? That doctors can draw or some other form of therapeutic. What we should be clear about the Hydroxy chloroquine and y they recommended against it in studies. We've seen some rare complications heart arrhythmias where the heart electrical system doesn't beat doesn't cost a heartbeat properly and that can be very dangerous. It can be fatal. Are we closer to a therapy? Well a few weeks ago it was run disappear which became very popular for a short period of time. It appears with more things coming out. We still don't have a definitive study but with more evidence. It's certainly not doesn't appear to be a home run. We're GONNA talk tonight about the convalescent. Serum we're trying a lot of things. The important thing is to try them in control trials so some people get the treatment and some people don't so we can compare them had otherwise they don't get a comprehensive data and information that allows us to make a decision. We just have a lot of stories and you can't rely on those stories to tell you whether the treatment is working or not the patient recovered. But you don't know what. The treatment was a patient gonNA recover anyway As a cancer. We've seen that many many times and been frustrated by and you can only prove what works when you do the right trial and get the data and the frustrating thing is is that you've seen that these trials take time and the answer doesn't come as quickly as we all seem to want it right now in the search for Kroto virus treatments and a corona virus vaccine much of the work is being done by private companies and by foundations with an interest in public health and among them is the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Which is funding seven different teams. All of whom are working toward the production of a vaccine now. Bill Gates published a paper yesterday called pandemic one is sixteen pages long. And it's a good read. It outlines the challenges ahead in terms of testing treatment and ultimately a vaccine which is something Bill Gates knows a thing or two about. He Sat Zeke and me to talk about it. And here's the first part of our conversation joining us now. Microsoft Co founder and the CO chair of the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Bill Gates Mr Gates. Welcome thank you for joining us. Zeke. Let's get kicked off. Thank you Ali Bill you and I have known each other for more than a decade. Now one of the things in this covert nineteen pandemic that a lot of people are worried about. Is that if we discover a vaccine the bottleneck may turn out to be production distribution at administration of the vaccine. What are you personally prepared to do to accelerate the process of production and distribution? Well because we're in a rush to get the vaccines done. We NEED BACK. Up to ten companies. Because we're not sure which one will work. It's a novel virus. We've never done a vaccine like this before. There are some things in common like the the last stage manufacturing is called fill finish. And if you WANNA make seven billion or fourteen billion doses. That's going to be a bomb. Lex OR FUNDING FILL FINISH. That will work for all the vaccines and then together with the governments will fund the different manufacturing plants. Unfortunately they're not the same because the cross making these things like you make lipids for our vaccines and you have big big fifteen k. Leader tanks for many the the more classic constructs. But you know these are the billions that we need to save to stop spending trillions in economic relief so I'd say between the rich world governments And the Gates Foundation financing of this should not be a bomb like we should be able to allow the most promising efforts to go at full speed. And Are you building going to begin building up plants to actually produce vaccines whether it's for the irony vaccines or for some of the other? Big Fermenting plants at this point A lot of what we're doing is funding early stage research. You know so. People can get into phase one where you will actually see particularly if you go into the elderly. Another antibody response to understand which are the most promising and compare that antibody response to the natural disease. Immune system response so most of the grants. We've done so far. Not at the manufacturing piece as we get further along even in the next month. We WanNa do that as well figuring out. This coordination works across many countries. And you have to apply judgment about which of these are the ones to go for. There's over a hundred different efforts and some are being championed by the country that they're in so we're we're within a few weeks of having a clear construct for pre-funding manufacturing plants Bill Gates. You read this paper that I it's about sixteen pages and I think it's worthwhile read for everybody. You talk about these. Pcr machines the the machines that would test our swabs and the shortage of something you wrote caught my attention you said. There will be temptation for companies to buy testing machines for their employers or customers teller. Cruise ship operator would like to be able to test everyone even if they don't have symptoms that. WanNa get the PC are machines that give quick results or the rapper diagnostic tests. These companies will be able to bid very high prices. Well above what? The public health system would bid. How do we prevent this from being a bidding war in which only those who can afford it? Get the testing and the rest of the world Sits around and waits well of all the things most surprised about the federal government response the unwillingness to get involved in test. Prioritization is the most amazing you know other countries who wrote their pandemic plans the idea of getting the peace yard capacity up and making sure it was going to the right people with quick results. You know that was sort of their day one thing and it shouldn't be that hard still to this day. We have P CR machines. That aren't being used that well understanding the bond like somebody and our foundation driven the work to get the front end. The swabbing greatly simplified. So you can actually have these cheap swabs that you could about everywhere so as soon as you feel symptoms you can get the swab ticket and then send it in tab. The machine tested today a lot of the tests. You get the results. So laid ords the wrong person being tested our capacity when people look at those numbers the US is the worst at task prioritization. And it's going if we're not careful it will get even worse because of course people on a An employer wants to make sure that nobody's coming in and infecting people. And so we had infinite testing capacity. Hallelujah go ahead by those machines test as symptomatic employees every day but that we have three hundred and thirty million people in our testing capacity is under two hundred thousand a day right now and so you know you can't test a meaningful percentage of the population even in a say a week. You can't even do one percent or a third blow that so it's of insane that we're not prioritizing the testing capacity even as it grows to go to the right applications. Maybe can follow up on that question. Which is you in your paper. Back Alley referred to you. You are advocating testing symptomatic people. Some of us like myself and others have recommended testing people who are trying to find a symptomatic spreaders who really meet with a lot of other people because we think that's the most serious threat and the most serious way that we might spread the disease. Why why do you think testing symptomatic people list should be our top priority? Well there are ASEM. Nab a symptomatic who have antibodies. That's being vastly overstated in most cases because of false positives serology tests the all. These tests shouldn't be a binary values. Pcr gives you back the CT value. And what you see in the symptomatic. S- is freely reduced buyer loads and so the Singapore studies. The best one on this which they show about six percent to the infection's coming from a symptomatic. You know we need to understand the role of symptomatic in that because the degree to which you can open up greatly affected by how much of the force of infection comes from people who had never seek out a test. But we don't have in unless there's some breakthrough we're working on a few. We don't have the ability to broadly test a symptomatic so we need to do that. To understand on a statistical sense understand these sources of infection. But where that's been done like that Singapore study was was the best on that. It's not a huge percentage in this case of the infections taking place so I want to switch now to talk about treatment for a second and In Your White Paper that you released yesterday you have this sentence which struck me as very interesting. You said we need a treatment that is ninety five percent effective in order for people to feel safe and big public gatherings so. I'm a little curious how you got to the ninety five percent and then what do you think? It's time line to get to any kind of treatment. That's going to be ninety five percent effective to give people confidence that going out in public is a good idea well. People have a mental model about fear of Death. And what things they particularly worry about and some that are statistically modest like airplane crashes larger that some like car crashes that are are greater in the extreme. You could say we don't. We have clue which is often say forty thousand deaths a year. We don't close schools in a typical flu season. We don't empty the football stadiums. And so if you take the extreme case where you really are leading the infection spread throughout the population and yet you have the therapeutic that avoids the overload and greatly reduces the deaths. You know how much below the seasonal flu level would you have to get before? It isn't a dominant thing affecting people's willingness to travel and do activities so I don't know what that percentage number is but there is some level of which people realize. Okay even if you let the exponential growth take place the bound of. What's at risk which without therapeutic one percent death rate would be three million in the US alone if you got that down to typical flu season levels. Would that encourage the idea that okay? Economic activity is is appropriate. I we're GONNA have more of our conversation with Bill Gates coming up this hour including his reaction to states like Georgia beginning partial reopening today and the pressures that president trump is putting on those states. We're going examine. The question is well of wet in. The Nation's children are going to be able to go back to school and Zeke is good explain one of the corona virus treatments that are Under development that is offering some provice life in the times of Corona virus. We'll be right back with everyone staying home right now. Making our homes more comfortable has become a priority. 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Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America Corona viruses infecting and killing black Americans at disproportionately high rate. A big reason for that air quality industries killing us now that the corona viruses killing us. So we have double-whammy and our latest episode going into a stretch of Louisiana along the Mississippi River where many black residents have been from a missions related cancer asthma and other health conditions for decades. We'll find out what one polluted county reveals about the race gap in this pandemic. That's an economic injustice and environmental injustice racial injustice. And then when you add health overlaid on Tom Injustice subscribe for free. Wherever you get your podcast. I welcome back to life in the time of virus. I'm here with Dr Zeke Emanuel. And we just heard from Bill Gates about the hunt for a treatment that would work for ninety five percent of the population Zeke. There's one idea of a treatment that comes from the blood of people who've had the virus and recovered. It's called convalescent plasma. And I'M GONNA show you how it works with some of our images from our good friends at bio digital. Let's remember how the virus works using the spike protein and the outer shell of the virus. The Corona virus enters a healthy sal in your lungs through a receptor and at then hijacks it's machinery to replicate exponentially from there. You're experienced depends in part on your immune reaction and any underlying conditions. You may have so we just passed fifty thousand deaths in the United States. The vast majority of patients with the disease will actually recover when they do. We hope that they will possess. Antibodies and other key immune molecules in cells that are specifically built to fight the CORONA VIRUS. These antibodies can be safely donated and potentially used to help other patients with corona virus. And for that. We extract convalescent plasma from the patients. The process is like giving blood but with a twist. Whole blood which contains red blood cells. Wipe blood cells platelets. Antibiotics in lots of other molecules is drawn from your arm and immediately put into a centrifuge spinning much. Faster than what you see. Here causes the various cells and molecules to separate everything but the plasma is sent right back into the body of the person who donates. The plasma eventually goes to a patient sick with Kovic nineteen different ad. Antibodies are targeted at different proteins. But the ones for the corona virus know their mission they attached to the spike protein on the outside and that prevents the virus from binding to the receptors on your healthy lung cells so the antibody may also tag the virus for targeting by the big guns that are killer cells from your immune system. So that's how fine sir. Where are we in? That process is already in play where people have had the had. Grown virus and recovered are able to do this yes. There are lots of places around the country that are collecting convalescent serum and are trying to into patients and seeing if patients who are sick with the Koran virus actually get better a study at Johns Hopkins to study at the University of Pennsylvania where I'm from and at other institutions around the country So this is a very promising treatment. But like everything else we need to subject it to rigorous scientific evaluation giving the plot to some patients and not to others who look identical. Let me ask you this because you and I talked to Bill Gates about this anything we do. Whether it's a treatment a therapeutic as we call it or vaccine requires replication at scale right. The point is we've got to be able to do this for a lot of people is convalescing and plasma the kind of thing that we can scale or does it. All depend on donors giving the specific plasma that given to patients who who needed to recover. Well you're absolutely right. You have to collect it from patients who've recovered and then reinfusing it. It's clearly a process that can only be done at hospitals It's not a process that can scale to hundreds of thousands or even millions of patients but it is a process that that can be used for thousands of patients who are particularly sick if it works effectively. We'll take whatever hope we can get right now in the second part of our interview with Bill Gates explained Zeke at me why. It's vital to prioritize corona virus testing and contract contract contact tracing as a way to reopen the economy and what changes in our behavior. We're going to last beyond this period of stay at home mortars. Here's a little more from our interview. We just happened to be sitting in that place. Right now where. This debate is raging across this country with some governors wanting to open up more quickly. The governor a Georgia talking about the need to open up a bowling alleys and a tattoo parlors. Which I would've thought would be at the far end of the scale when you're reopening things but you know I'm not sure. This is the conversation that is as rooted in and fact and and infectious disease. Study as it should be. What's the way in which you think we should be governing the decisions as to how we reopened society? As opposed to it being the political discussion. It seems to be right now. Well no we're serious about this when we prioritize the testing and we do serious contact tracing in without that opening up as dangerous. Because you're blind you'll only see it with a twenty day. Legs you start to see hospitals. Fill up and the deaths and by then you're up at meaningful percentage of the population and that's absolutely horrific. We don't want to get back to those two this first peak type situation which in many locations including New York has has been absolutely awful so The whole opening up discussion should be conditioned on a serious testing prioritization system in a series contact tracing system and asking scientists okay which activities as we look back through the Singapore Record South Korea records in what which activities are creating the highest risk. You know our young people involved in the chain of infection. Why are places like boats and meat packing plant? So extreme you know. Do we much outdoor infection at all. And what does that say in terms of things that could be done in that format? There's a lot of insight in this. It needs analysis and we need to get that to the political leaders and looks like we're going to have to get to have restate governor. Some of whom will pay attention to it and some of them. All the traditionally this is the function. But you know it's sort of moved up to the White House for an to sort of nonscientific global and so each governor is going to have to figure it out so build one of the things I noticed that was an in. The white paper was mentioned of Sweden and discussion of opening up the way. Sweden's tried it. Which is the virus go? I won't say wild but let it percolate. They're supposed to get close to hurt immunity in the country. I guess in forty days or something you don't. You're not a big fan of that. I take by implication. Why not well Sweden you'd have to understand. The activity levels are not just determined by the government mandates. You know even if the government's allowing things to happen people change their behavior. And so if you look at Google Mobility data facebook Mo Mobility Ob- Sweden their. Their behavior is nothing like it was before the epidemic kit. Nothing at all so we have to be careful not to equate government policy with human behavior. Even as you go into opening up because you'll have such widespread things. Sweden is not getting infection level. That will sweep through their population but in in forty days they backed off enough on their activities so they they will probably stay at a reproductive rate above one and experience for us it you know. I think I doubt their policies are the right ones but if they're going to go down that path we should observe what's going on there and and have that as a you know a piece of understanding to be praying continued said to me a year ago. Hey as soon as this infectious disease comes out which I saw a very serious risk. Everybody's going to shut down. I would have said wow really has to do with the human however affected by. We read about these deaths. We don't want our parents to die and so even if it's not very numeric there's a much stronger response to not even one percent death rate which that'd be three million for the US not to have that take place and you can't control human behavior just when somebody wants to keep the GDP high one of the things. Zeke and I both found interesting in your paper was reference. You made to the fact that this is going to be era defining in a way not like the recession not even like nine eleven none of them like Vietnam. You're talking about World War Two level redefining how we think and how we behave and obviously some of that is yet to be seen right when these stay at home orders get lifted who actually rushes out. Because they've been craving it and who doesn't believe that it's safe to do so but in what ways do you think we will fundamentally change once. This is behind us. Well I definitely think we'll take the risk of a pandemic seriously and make some of the foundational investments and many of those will create medical tools. That will be beneficial for diseases in infectious diseases and retreat. Diseases like cancer. That you know. It's great to make progress on those things. I do think using digital approaches and maybe not traveling quite as much that even after you get rid of this threat that people will have been so immersed in it and the tools and techniques will have improved enough that will take what would have been ten to fifteen years of digital adoption crammed into a very short period likewise behaviors around shopping or how people get in touch with each other and so a lot of it's an acceleration of trends like a move to online shopping. That we're already there. Thank goodness the Internet has enough capacity that its ability to let us connect chair. Information is very strong ten years ago. That would not have been the case. And so we've jumped on that and it's it's helped some particular per white collar jobs. It's actually surprising to me. The productivity levels for some activities are are not greatly reduced. And I wouldn't. I wouldn't have expected that to go as well. You know sadly for lower income people who do physical service type jobs. There is no digital substitute. And that's a key point for many of us were able to be as productive as we otherwise are working from home some people arguably are even more productive working from home than they were otherwise but for some people that choice simply doesn't exist either because they can't afford to do it or because they work in places or industries in which they can't make that choice all right coming up. Children are back in school in Denmark. Denmark the first country in Europe to reopen elementary school since the pandemic started but it does not look like the school of two months ago. Our kids doing in this new normal in the classroom and is it. A preview of what school life is going to be like in the US when schools are able to reopen. We're going to have that report when we come back back to school in Denmark. It's the first country in Europe to reopen elementary school since the start of the corona virus pandemic and it's a bold move. It's turned the Danish education system and to a real time experiment on whether elementary schools can re-open while containing the virus that Denmark has tested over two percent of its population. This week. It expanded testing to anyone who has symptoms but Denmark was one of the first countries in Europe to lock down and it has a low mortality rate from corona virus. Let's go to the Danish capital Copenhagen where NBC News Foreign Correspondent Mollie Hunter reports on. Why and how Danish schools reopened Denmark has become a laboratory a possible template for the rest of the world? Classes in the time of contagion. Today marks one week since schools reopened for students under the age of twelve after a month of lockdown but it all looks different and so far. It's working yeah Santana Tent. We are sitting to meet US apart. We have to do as much US outside a teaching us possible so you have to do anything in a new way seem really happy. Happy really has like I ask your acne and the teachers are just trying to make it feel the same. We try to keep up all these small little things that we did before and now we just try to do it in a different way in her first year of teaching worried. Less about the missed schoolwork in worried a lot. More about the missed socializing. The soom dance I think is a really good thing because we have talked to children about this and they say that seeing their friends face to face not only talking to them on the phone was a really good thing I mean. Have you ever seen kids? This excited to come to school is five. So are you happy to be back excited? What did you miss the most? Do you miss your friend. Friends teacher in a matter of days schools here built outdoor tents and started mandating handwashing five times a day but not everyone was comfortable. Some parents including Riyan. Kim kept her kids home just for the first day to see how it all played out. What was the conversation among parents? Was this balance between. K? We've got our work really really boards. Some of smaller kids actually really need to be stimulated intellectually him like other parents questioned. Why the youngest return I Denmark lockdown on March eleventh when the only other country in Europe doing so was Italy with its hundreds of deaths and more than twelve thousand infections at the time Denmark had around five hundred known cases and no debts around the same time New York state later that week on March fifteenth also closed schools with seven hundred twenty nine known cases and five debts now. Six weeks later Denmark has just over eight thousand known cases and about four hundred debts company and feel fairly relaxed bars restaurants. Cafes still closed but people are cooked side hanging out eating ice cream drinking eating hair salons and beauty salons also opened this week and all his locked down early while the curve flattened out and it has been possible natural reopened because of that and that is obviously very positive. But it's still too early to tell if this was the right move a warning for the rest of the World Mollie Hunter. Nbc News Copenhagen. All right here in the United States. Three quarters of states have now officially closed their schools for the rest of the academic year and in our conversation with Bill Gates. We asked him how he envisions. Us elementary schools returning to in person classes waiting visions that being able to happen and whether Denmark and other European countries could be an example to follow bill. I wanted to ask you about schooling and not college but primary schooling and what you think of opening that up given the fact that children don't seem to be infected or if infected have no symptoms hardly ever die. Denmark teams will be going ahead. I just got off the phone this morning with Norway and they're thinking of doing a big randomized trial randomized half the municipalities to opening school. And half not. How are you thinking about opening school? And should we think about it? In September I think for the younger ages the fact that some European countries including parts of Germany and the countries you mentioned are going to try that out if you have a testing framework initiative doing those tests again. You've gotta go quantitative. You can't just be binary because that tells you not just do they have the virus but are they likely to be a source of infection so go to the households that those kids are are participating. We need to learn that because schooling has a huge benefit. The younger you get. The lease less capable online is to substitute for what you're able to do face to face. They're so For a country like Germany. That's really been exemplary. In how organized and having clarity from their ferret federal level the idea of opening up some of those schools I think that's not crazy and we should all learn from that. Norway was doing that in a randomized way. That'll be very very helpful. Because I'd like to see schools reopened in September and I have all the things that's right on the line will be wise will not be wise. That's the one that I hope we figure out how to make work when we come back. What the pandemic crisis is doing to the conversation about access to healthcare in the United States? We're going to hear from Senator Bernie Sanders. But first we introduce you to some of the heroes on the front lines of this crisis. Medical professionals stepping out of their area of expertise to do everything they can to help. Every covert patient recently. Made the switch into the cove world dealing with adult. Icu had gone from helping bring into the world to helping many of my patients battle for their learning a tremendous amount. But I'm also balancing learning and caring for these extremely sick patients prior to the Kobe. Nineteen I helped to staff a weekly clinic at a homeless shelter. We opened the doors to our medical respite. Shell turn the shell. Churn serves those who are combing positive experiencing homelessness swap. Never swale before I was able to use the technology that they use on a day in and day out basis basic stuff for taking vital signs and stuff like that that I have not been exposed to the point where I couldn't ignore the call for medical professionals to come out of retirement. I played football soldier. Donald SAFE coming in check coming into medicine and all of a sudden I'm learning. There's battle scars with that as well. We've had to do a lot of family meetings over zoom or over the phone really challenging discussions that I would normally do in person where I can look person in the eye or touch their hand. This is something that we are trained to do. An emergency medicine. Her goal is to save lives at all costs not sit by and watch them pass so this is really tough and hard for us but in many respects this is one of the most powerful and important things that we do. They're treating us to be warriors ourselves to fight this pandemic and it's you know it's really exciting to lend a hand anyway. Since suspending his presidential campaign Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has returned to Capitol Hill. Where he's working to find a solution to healthcare problems in America that have been exacerbated by Cova nineteen and record unemployment in New York Times. Op Ed this week. Sanders made his case. For why Guaranteed Universal Health? Care is needed now. More than ever. I spoke to Bernie Sanders earlier today. If there's anything that the American people are now learning is how absurd. How irrational it is to have your healthcare tied job because when you lose your job you lose your healthcare. That's why we got the fight. In my view for Medicare for all single payer system it will cost the average American substantially less than they paying today and cover all of us in a comprehensive manner with freedom of choice. The doctor or the hospital you want to given that you are not the candidate right now. I know you're staying in the race. But but given that you're not likely to be the Democratic nominee and given that Joe Biden hasn't fully endorsed this idea and given that Donald Trump and republican senators aren't endorsing the idea. What's your best outcome right now? Eight and your mission to try and get people to embrace this well. My best outcome is to is to go forward in the direction of Medicare for all off as quickly as I would want for example. I'll be in my view if Joe Biden said tomorrow but every American fifty five years of age or older would be eligible for Medicare. I think that would be enormously popular in an enormously effective policy program. At least what we should do is lower the eligibility age for Medicare from sixty five to fifty five in cover up all of the children in this country and then we can figure out ways that we can expand and improve. The those are some of the things that Joe Biden can do without embracing a full medicare for all Concept Okay. You're starting to see outlines of what might be a compromise between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. You could see more of my interview with Senator Bernie Sanders tomorrow morning on. Vel She at eight. Am Zeke. He's he knows he's not getting Medicare for all he knows. Joe Biden won't embrace it. But he's talking about lowering the age for Medicare to fifty five and covering all the children's. So he's trying to broaden the base of people covered by healthcare in the United States. Yeah you know. I agree with lots of stuff that Bernie said we do need universal coverage and covert nineteen has made it clear we need universal coverage second. It's also made clear. We probably shouldn't tie healthcare insurance to employment which a lot of economists mainstream economists have said for years. But that doesn't get you to. We need universal coverage. I mean that doesn't get you to. We need Medicare for all it gets you to. We need a plan for universal coverage and there are many many different ways we can get there one way is Bernie Sanders said is we could expand medicare down. We all children have health care. We still have about four million children in this country for two five million children in this country. Don't have health insurance. That is a travesty. If you ask me we still have twenty eight million Americans who also don't have coverage that's also a big problem. We need to get coverage for everyone in the country and I agree with him. That is going to be one of the legacies of the covert one thousand nine hundred situation. The American public is not going to be up with a system that doesn't guarantee them health insurance and then asset to go to the Doctor Center. Stay off of work. I think he's absolutely right. There are people in America who may have symptoms or may think they've got corona virus and they're not going to the doctor because they can't get the verdict that they're sick because they can't leave work so you don't not familiar to all to do a lot of Americans but every other developed country in the world has figured out some way to cover everyone Zeke. We are at the end of a week in which some states are opening up at a number of other states are seriously mulling opening opening up again for business. Talk to me about what your your closing. Thoughts are your final thoughts wake. You know. We won't know exactly how many Americans have lost jobs. Freelance gigs and businesses. For a long time if ever it now appears that one in five workers are out of a job over thirty. Three million people involuntarily idol. That's horrible and it's heartbreaking. No empathetic person can endure seeing the anxiety the anguish of Americans who never imagine waiting in a food pantry. Line to feed their kids. It's no wonder there's pressure to relax the physical distancing measures and reopened the economy but the closing of non essential businesses. Isn't what pulled the plug on the economy. Fear did right now if we relax the public health measures and rushed to open restaurants in gyms bowling alleys beauty salons in tattoo parlors. Few people are likely to show up. We'll have the worst of both worlds little economic activity but lots of covert spread. I ask myself what would convince me to dine out and shop and travel. I need confidence that I'll not die or suffer irreversible harm from the virus. Personally I won't go back to normal until we have a vaccine or or a reliable treatment. I think I'm in the majority on that. Despite the economic pain four out of five Americans say they endorse the restrictions? We're seeing solidarity. Even on voluntary terms. Trains and airports are empty though. No law forbids people from buying ticket. But we have here is public health crisis first and foremost the economic crisis. That goes along with. It can be abated. Only if the virus is finally defeated our first responsibility to honor the life saving physical distancing efforts that Americans have already undertaken not squander them by opening up too soon philanthropists. Like Bill Gates can pay for laps and research but the rest of US can how to buy time for them to find a way out of it are ordinary part in. This is heroin. It comes with real sacrifices that a single twelve hundred dollar check from Washington Janata Race. We need more long-term income support. We need expansion of food stamps. For All needy Americans. The sooner we make it economically feasible for Americans to stay at home regardless of whether they're able to work from home the sooner we can bring the infection down to a safe level and create a livable environment. Barrage to return to. Well said Zeke. Pleasure having you on. Let's do this again next week.

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"I was working and next to guy and we kept pumping. Nt Other and like my I worry was what if he has the virus and he keeps pumping engine me. And like it's GonNa know he's GonNa come to me and then I'm going to bring it home and then like all my roommate my son my everybody get it. Good morning and welcome to A. M. Joy as this morning there are more than a million confirmed cases of corona virus in the United States. Just take that in four moment and the death toll reached a grim milestone this week the nearly sixty five thousand dead has surpassed the number of Americans killed in the Vietnam War. We've yet to see an adequate number of tests swabs or protective equipment or ventilators in many hot spots around the country and despite pleas from governors and members of Congress Donald Trump was reluctant to use the defense production act nationalize production and distribution of these crucial items. That could save lives but there was no such reluctance on Tuesday. When trump invoked that very same law to classify meat plants as essential infrastructure. That must remain open because while healthcare workers are forced to reuse masks until they fall apart they should at least be able to score from chicken. Nuggets I'm right for the kids priorities. The move forces low wage employees. Many of whom are Black Latino or immigrant to work in conditions ripe for the spread of the virus already more than twenty meat packing plants across the country have closed due to concerns about illness according to a new report by the CDC nearly five thousand meat and poultry plant workers in one thousand. Nine states have been diagnosed with Kobe. Nine thousand nine hundred twenty people have died. The federal government has also failed to coordinate the national food supply which is why you're hearing about farmers dumping millions of gallons of milk. The chicken processors Sanderson farms destroying seven hundred and fifty thousand unhatched eggs per week and farmers left with tens of millions of pounds of food that they can no longer sell to restaurants or hotels were schools while in a seeming to stoep in paradox grocery shelves are empty in lines for food. Banks are snaking around arena. Parking lots for politico. Trump's agriculture department has been slow to respond to this crisis just as trump lagged on using power to supply workers and six citizens with life saving supplies instead using it to make people work in harrowing conditions risking their lives and their health and the health of their families joining me now is California Congresswoman Katie. Porter who's calling for more transparency in. How the trump administration is using the defense production. Act Andrew Zimmer host of. What'S EATING AMERICA. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. Msnbc senior medical contributor and former health policy adviser for the Obama Administration. Thank you all for being here and I'll start with you congresswoman. You wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post on Tuesday and I'll read a little bit of what you wrote to you says I'm like most government contracts. Gpa ORDERS ARE NOT public documents leaving Americans in the dark about one of the administration's key tools in its covert nineteen response. Explain what is DEEPA? What our DP orders and explain to me a deep humming the Defense Production Act explained to me how the Defense Production Act is supposed to work. And how in your mind? That's failed to work here. So the Defense Production Act was passed during the Korean War and the idea was to allow the United States to harness its manufacturing capacity to me critical national security needs and so if an essence when the president invokes the Defense Production Act they CA- government in order manufacturers to prioritize producing certain kinds of equipment in can prevent price gouging of taxpayers. As it does so now. We're a lot of things that we might use the defense production act for you wouldn't necessarily be able to reveal to the American public what you were producing for national security reasons but in this case it's exactly the opposite. We need to know if the president has used the defense production. Act what he is ordered when it has been a calm on how he plans to distribute that because without that we continue to have all of the supply chain disruptions that we've been facing and so just to to put a pin on it had donald trump initially invoke the defense production act leaves shortened DEEPA. Had He done that initially could? In theory of the Federal Government Have Donald Trump's administration have said. Okay we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA have these industries that normally make cars right make ventilators and we're GONNA distribute those ventilators in this way. We're going to make sure every state has an X. number. We're going to make sure that they have enough. We're going to do the same thing with test kids. And then we could do the same thing if he wanted. Now with the Food Supply. Could he have done a national coordinated strategy if he had wanted to absolutely? The president should've used the defense production. Act to get ahead of the needs that were seeing the personal protective equipment. The test kits all of those things not just protective equipment. But also I should add the testing supplies. He could've used the defense production act to do that. That's why we have law so this isn't a this is a better example just like the ability for the CDC to provide for free testing where there's a law that's there for very good reason but we have in this case of administration that fail to make good use of it now all of a sudden when. Tyson and big corporations want him to use the defense production act though to keep meat packing plants open and put workers lives that risks. He jumps to do it. So it's a huge reversal of policy. But it's because this time it's coming at the request of big productions rather than what we saw before was big corporations lobbying against the use of the defense production even though we're protecting our frontline healthcare workers. Yeah and Dr Manual. Let me go to you on this. Because here's the challenge. The food supplies already disrupted. It's becoming more disrupted by the day. We're going to talk a little bit more with Andrew about some of the at the farm. The farm ended but in production element of it right like once Meat is getting to these production plants. It's now in the hands of people who are exactly in a position to get sick there. Working in these close quarters. Nbc News has been running and MSNBC's been running this video all week of these plants. Were there trying to find ways to separate people but as you can see just looking at the screen here. People work closer than six feet and they're supposed to be a part by six feet and when you think about who this is the people who maybe Donald Trump doesn't think that they're important but their families do their their their loved ones do Mrs Forty A. Z. Cohort that is forty. Four point four percent. Latino it's twenty five five point. Two Percent African American in terms of meatpacking workers. These are low income people. Frontline has doubt put some of the data out as well fifty one percent fifty one point. Five percent of these people are immigrants. Forty five point. One percent of them live in low income families and fifteen point five percent lack health insurance so these are the most vulnerable people who are were literally processing our food. Your thoughts Dr Manual. Yeah I think you're one hundred percent right. They are immigrants. They're low. Wage workers typically not very well organized and even when they have a union with the Defense Production Act that can act for them in order to protect them. Society needs to protect them. We need them if too many of them call in our sick. We don't first of all we don't want them handling our food and second of all. I'm what's surprising to me? A little bit is that we know from South Dakota the original outbreak in smithfield processing. Plant that it you know. Infection doesn't stay inside the factory. These people go home. They go out into the community often. They don't know that they're infected. They may be asymptomatic and they could spread it in the community. So it's not like they only keep it inside the factory. It's a wider issue for all of us to be concerned about and we should. You know one of the things I think is important for all of us as we're in this together we're a community. We shouldn't be trying to exploit these kind of workers for our own good. It is very important to have the food chain and the food supply chain working and to have it without infection so that we can all be assured that the food we have is pure that if we take out that chicken somehow virus on it so I think that's an important element but we can't exploit people for our own good. We have to ask everyone food. The Government worked together to push this to wash this infection out and it does seem to me. They're you know making these workers go to work. Sick is one of those episodes that we're trying to exploit the weakest person in our society for the benefit of all of us and that just doesn't seem like the right thing to be doing indeed absolutely well said Andrew and the other end of that food supply chain at the start of it. You know we're hearing about cattle ranchers happening to euthanize cows or eggs being destroyed because even getting the food to where it's processed or to be able to fill in where food banks are going without while food is rotting on farms. There's something wrong here with the coordination nationally obviously the. Usda has clearly not done enough. But can you talk a little bit because at that into you're seeing a lot of suffering well? I just can't believe where we are. We've been talking about this joy. I think for five or six weeks going back to my first appearance on your show. We predicted this and I'm not sure which is worse the cult of secrecy. That's been built up. Between the government. Osha the weakening of the CDC guidelines and big big food companies like Tyson and J B s or the cult of lady distant stupidity that Congresswoman Porter was referring to and the doctor Zeke was referring to. It's absolutely going to me. We could have been using the defense production act six weeks seven weeks ago we could have been enrolling fema to be out and distributing the food that we know is perishable. Look you know. Chickens lay eggs on a regular cycle. Cows need to be built on a regular cycle vegetables. Grow on a regular and predictable cycle on farms. That have been doing this. Many of which for generations as the weather warms up in spring starts creepy north with the vegetables. The milk the eggs. That's a distribution issue. Fema could have been you talk about laws on the books. For people to be invoked there are aspects of the national emergency acts that The USDA that Department of Ag that the White House could have invoked to allow female to come in and distribute the food to where it's needed remember the biggest customer for food many foods seventy five percent efficient. America is consumed in the restaurant chain. That goes from the ocean to restaurants when you take restaurants out of the equation when you take schools out of the equation. Those are massive massively large customers. We could've taken that food and redirected it to community resource kitchens to food banks and of course to grocery stores. So this is. This is just a stupidity issue. This is a lack of vision issue. I'm I'm just absolutely stunned by it. Do I think there's enough public outcry that we will correct it? Yes but I'm petrified about the cult of secrecy. That's going on in our plants. Those videos of the Tyson meat plants that you see are from April eleventh. April twelfth is when Tyson started requiring people to wear face shields in their plant and it gives the illusion that things are quote unquote safe despite people walking past each other. It's not it doesn't continue to be. And we're putting our communities at risk because of the lack of transparency and our food factories. Yeah and then you have. The vice president is showing up in plant showing up the Mayo Clinic with no mask on so they're not setting good example but on the on the secrecy side of the secrecy and Stupidity Matrix. The Andrew just talked about congresswoman almost secrecy side. We just found out that there's been yet another. We're starting to look like Friday night massacre like every Friday. There's a dump of an of an inspector general. Donald Trump has now moved on Friday to replace a top official at the Department of Health and Human Services. Her name is Christie Grim. She angered him. Apparently with a report last month highlighting supply shortages and testing delays at hospitals during the pandemic the White House waited until after business hours to announce the nomination of a new inspector general for the department. Who If confirmed would take over for her? That's a point one. The second data point. I'll give you is Dr Pouching. Who has been being made more and more scarce in terms of? He's the one person in this administration that most Americans trust and now he's been blocked from testify before a House panel next week. The White House says it would be counterproductive to take him away from his work. They're saying they will let him testify at a Senate Health Committee hearing. I guess they like that body better because it's controlled by Mitch McConnell on May Twelfth but are you concerned from an oversight perspective congresswoman that Dr Doughty is being made more scarce to Congress and that these issues are being run out of town because Donald Trump doesn't like the truth. They're telling this is also a crisis of oversight and president trump is exploiting that to his advantage and the losers here are the American people and so this late night Friday nights. Which you personnel. You're right it's it continues to happen. It's a real on. That's part of the reason that I introduce the accountability for acting officials. Act because right. Now we don't have actually Senate confirmed permanent appointees in so many critical jobs and so by using these acting officials which he can quickly fire and replace. We're not getting the information that we need. And so the absolutely I think doctor felt she should testify an all point out that during the critical weeks leading up to the announcement of the pandemic in February in late January even on throughout March. Doctor testified in a bipartisan. Congressional briefing for all members each and every single week and he was terrific and helpful in providing members with education and things that we could take back to our community so I think he absolutely should be allowed to testify and I'm very concerned about how the president continues to attack our inspector general community which exists solely to protect the American taxpayers fraud. Waste and abuse to make sure. These programs are effective on the ground. Yeah Dr Manual. I think about you know in George W Bush and the incredible screw up on the part of the administration when it came to Hurricane Katrina. Eventually wised up to the idea that you needed somebody to handle this that that this was beyond the scope of his capability to do himself. And you think about Russell on original Russel Honore coming in there and just handling and being the sort of czar the person in charge is that what Donald Trump needs. Does he need to put someone like. The doctor has a lot on his plate. But somebody else like somebody that is in charge of this because he seems to be running point on it himself and that seems to be the problem. Well how look I early and suggested that what we needed was a lot of different groups responsible for different elements of this. I think is Andrew mentioned. We've got a problem in the food side of it mainly distribution problem because we you know food. The plants were already planted the chickens. Were already working on and producing eggs. And it's a distribution problem. We need a whole group that would handle that distribution similarly. We need a group that would handle testing in this country. That is still more than two months after they promise at every American could get attached. We're not they are and we have a whole series of problems that need to be addressed. I'm not sure one person can manage all of that but I do think you could have very well defined areas and have a group that is in control of each of them. I'm Tony Vouching. I note that Tony. She has been at these press conferences. Day In and day out standing up there for two hours maybe having ten minutes of time the podium over that stretch of time. That didn't seem to be a waste of his time. So I'm not sure why going to Capitol Hill for a briefing. That would be maybe two or three hours once would constitute a waste of time obviously valid explanation. Yeah they just don't like he would say things that are true. I'm very last question to you on this Andrew and by the way by putting someone in charge. That doesn't mean jared Kushner okay. It doesn't always mean jared Kushner because that has not worked thought worked in the past Last question to you on this Andrew because among many people who are not getting properly access at tested I assume that people picking our food are not getting tested are not being treated and we have no no way of knowing the scope of potential outbreak among the people who are at the very front line in the agricultural industry. You and I've talked about that before but I'm GonNa give you the last word on that my friend. You absolutely read my mind. It's odd how this always comes back to testing. Tyson is standing behind. Hippy hippy laws using them as a shield saying we can't tell you the results of the tests in our plant Governor Ricketts is doing the same thing in Nebraska. The J. B. S. Company is doing the same thing in Greeley Colorado. It all comes down to testing. Big Food thinks that testing is something that they can't really talk to us about and the reason is that it's going to reveal really really scary numbers to people when you test you will find out results. They say it's a one time result. I disagree I think it tells us where we need to be focusing our attention and we hear reports from the field. I'm talking to my friends on farms in and six other states who were saying that nominees. They're not testing going on farms. But they don't have the same stories that we hear from meat plants that there's there's hot water but there's not enough soap. There's masks shields. There's gloves but there's not enough protective headgear. I mean it's just absolutely dumb. Founding to me IT GOES BACK TO THAT SAME. Old Song is it. Is it ineptitude. Or is it a cabal of conspiracy and I am praying that it's ineptitude because we can get people in there is Dr Zeke said who can run different aspects of this and solve the problem and I pray that it's not that I'm not being delusional paranoid? But something tells me there is something else going on. Yeah why I said when Donald Trump I got elected that what all of Americans have to learn to use your lurid imagination. Because there's almost nothing that they wouldn't do at least too. Mushoo language look at the mushy language against being forced into our CDC and Osha guidelines. That's a big change. That's coming from somewhere. Someone is changing that language. And I don't think it's Dr Redfield. Yeah absolutely well. You don't test for things you don't want to know the answer to that is part of the answer a doctor thank you very much. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel Congresswoman. Katie Porter Andrew Zimmer and my friend thank you very much guys a great be safe please and please be sure to check out Dr Manuals podcasts. Making the call all right next up we will introduce you to Nacro politics a term. You should know fewer an employer and you offer to bring your employees back to work and they Decide not to voluntary What's the word I'm looking for? Pardon quit okay volunteer. See we don't have it happen very often. It's a voluntary quit. And so therefore they would not be eligible for the unemployment. The unemployment money. That's called the quiet part out loud. We're waiting on a press conference from New York. Governor Andrew Cuomo but first many workers across the country are now faced with an ultimatum. Risk your life and show up to work or lose your job and your livelihood. As the number of coronavirus cases continues to grow nationwide. Several Republican governors are still pushing to reopen their states and for those workers who do make the potentially life-saving decision to stay home. Some Republican governors have signaled they could be stripped of their unemployment benefits. It's a move that will disproportionately impact hourly and low wage workers who are disproportionately black and Hispanic. My next guest describes this very reality using a term that I just learned about this week from her called nickel politics. She's here to break it all down. So let me now is Britney Cooper associate professor at Rutgers University and author of eloquent rage. Also joining us is Steph Harris former acting secretary of labor under President Obama and Brittany. I'm going to tell you the way to make me obsessed with you is to tweet complex words that I have to look out and so now I'm obsessed and so can we get around the show. I'm going to read a little bit of the tweet that sent me into a swoon. Literally I looked it up and then read I went into deep wormhole on it but I feel like you. You tweeted most black. People are clear that this utterly that this utterly absurd push to reopen. The country is all about a gross necora political calculation that it is black people dying disproportionately from cove it and just to back that up. Let's look at the disproportionate numbers in state after state after state after state in Washington. Dc You you're talking about forty five percent of the population but seventy five percent of the debts New York nine versus Nineteen Louisiana thirty three verses Sixty Five Michigan. Fourteen forty six. You can see it all there on the screen. I had friends last week when we were talking about. Georgia say to me. Oh that's why campus doing it. Because they're out of money and they don't WanNa pay unemployment benefits and then while people are saying your turn to talk. I will stop talking. Yes thank you joy so you know. I'm from Louisiana to my home. State and those numbers are absolutely staggering. And when I saw beginning to happen this narrative about how we were just going to go ahead and reopen the country. There was a clear racial tinge to it There was this sense that as a news outlets like yours have begun to covered these racial disparities that conservative politicians around the country made a big shift in the way that they were talking about this and said okay well. We can reopen the country and underneath that underlying that. Is this idea that that these lives don't have value so when I use the term necker politics that is a political theory term it was coined by man named she'll in Bombay and it really refers to the politics of death. How GOVERNMENT HOW STATE POWER ENTITIES US policy to determine whose lives are worth protecting whose lives are valuable and whose lives are expendable and I know that we don't typically like to think about our government is acting in that kind of way but we are really facing a pandemic in which we have lost almost sixty five thousand people in a matter of a of eight weeks or so so we are absolutely at this point talking about the politics of death and we need the kind of terminology that helps to think about. How is the government government determining how it's enacting policy set when you when you think about it all the way back right? You know the life of an enslaved person was only as valuable as how many could reproduce of more people who were thought to be owned by the person they call themselves the owner. You go all the way through the history of American work. The immigrant workers in the nineteen twenties and in the gilded age. It's not like people thought their lives had any value than how many times they could crank the wheel and you know the idea of giving them a day off or not. Giving them eight hour day people had to literally strike and they have violent strikes that violence against them so the idea about American work. The people at the lowest end of the work pool has always been a sense of. Do you value this human or are just a means to an end and it feels like we're back there again. I almost feel like we're reliving. The Calvin Coolidge era. Your thoughts that I think that's precisely right. I think it's a continuation of a long history. In the United States of devaluing working people particularly Brown and Black Working People This order that president trump place under the defense production act that essentially forces the African American Latino workers overwhelmingly also some white workers back into chicken and pork and beef production plants so that they can be responsible for getting the food supply back shape. Those are some of the most dangerous workplaces in our country. And so what we're seeing is an exposure of the inequalities that have existed in our society for a very long time and if we can start with the health inequalities there is an unequal distribution based on race of healthcare and health insurance in our country this administration in a crisis easily could have responded to that with extending health insurance reopening. The obamacare exchanges making health insurance more widely available. Take picking up the call to pay for all Cova treatments for any worker peculiar frontline worker whose exposed none of those things have been done. So you can't say that you care about workers if everything you do. Every policy taking ocean off the bead not giving by not providing health insurance results in those workers having a much increased likelihood of death alley pretty we. Have we have a story that Mitch? Mcconnell just talk about making real clear who you care about right who you give a damn about Mitch. Mcconnell now wants to shield companies from liability in corona virus related lawsuits. I'm sorry I interrupted you. Oh No thank you. So one of the things that people have really struggled with here is the idea that because black people have disproportionate levels of co morbidity things like asthma and high blood pressure diabetes. That we are personally responsible for them that there is a real resistance in this country. And I've seen it across the political spectrum to thinking about the way that structures produce those commodities. And that's what we're talking about Moore talking about nick politics so we're not only talking about disparities in health insurance coverage we're talking about things like food food desert. We're talking about things like lack of access to help the poor to save parks places to exercise right in addition to this wage crisis and so part of what that means is that black folks already. Go into this with a disadvantage. Because we're over. Were over represented in the essential worker economy. The other thing that I'm thinking about I'm thinking about the educator in Brooklyn Raina Mongan who passed away on Monday choose a one year old. Wellesley educated at educator in Brooklyn. Who began going to the hospital in the middle of March asking to be tested? She was turned away three times before. Finally she was intimated in an ambulance and then hospitalized and after nearly six weeks of fighting for her life she passed away on Monday and that tracks with all of the research that we have about how there is a racial empathy gap in this country so that healthcare workers even our heroic frontline healthcare workers. Still don't believe what folks own account about what is happening in their bodies and literally methods. This sister did not make it even though she thought even though she advocated for herself part of the reason focus on go ahead go on go on part of the reason. That folks are so uncomfortable in this moment is because we are being exposed to all of these racial disparities that we would rather not talk about. Of course we have seen an uptick in these things in the trump administration and so this encouragement of these conservative governors backup by the trump administration. And then taken up in all of these places Iowa Georgia etc is all about an underlying devaluing of these lives and look. That's not just racial conservative. Politics also be values the lives of the working poor and so we're not talking only about a racial problem in this country. We'RE TALKING ABOUT ABYSS. Dane for the people who do the hardest work but we can't have a conversation about that unless we begin to value the fact that many of workers are black and latte tonight. I think it's pretty fair to say that. If you work standing up if you do your job standing on your feet you probably are not the concern of the Mitch. Mcconnells of the world. They like get your behind to work because I need X. Right and you know to go back a little bit broader seth. You've got all of these nurses and we all have. We all know all of us that know a lot of home care nurses. It's a lot of west Indian older west Indian votes within the and nurses. You've got people who are working in nursing homes where there's a lot of debt like disproportionate amount of death going on. You've got frontline workers you've got you know. Sort of across the board these professions that aren't necessities to keep the rest of us comfortable and comfortably at home are the people risking their lives. You put that against this on employment number which I'm just looking at here. Thirty point. Three million unemployment claims just three point eight three point eight four million just in a week. We're heading toward what feels like the depression. And so the question is what do right like this simple thing and the thing that seems obvious would be to pay people to stay home. That's what other countries are doing. Is that what we should be doing? Should we be saying we're just GONNA pay people to stay home? Yeah that's what we should be doing. V This cares act which created the paycheck protection program which was a series of small business loans and also provided lending facilities to the Federal Reserve. Bank was supposed to do that. The loans were supposed to go out and become forgivable at least a small businesses if they kept people on the payroll but as we see the unemployment claims numbers climb over thirty million plus the seven million people who are already unemployed. We see that it may not be working. That small businesses are shutting down. Because they simply don't have the capital to survive. We also know that the distribution of that money has not been in the least bit fair. It has been overly represented in rural communities and others. So I think that there's a real challenge for war communities of color that for a longtime were excluded from this program functionally because their lending institutions were not getting the money those businesses close down and people lost their jobs in those communities so as a consequence I think we really in retrospect made a big mistake. We should have done what Europe did and just paid workers directly and kept them on and that would have kept these unemployment rolls much much smaller states would not be in crisis websites wouldn't be crashing and we would have a much better functioning economy and maybe we won't slip into depression but that's not where we are eight weeks in. What happens oftentimes when you get into these debates that we start to creep back into hearing me sort of conservative themes of laziness. Well the reason people don't WanNa go back. They could make more money on unemployment. They'd rather sit home. You go right back to some of those knee-jerk themes and it's not always just Republicans. Who Do it? This was an error. The Kentucky Governor Andy who actually quite a good governor overall. We're he actually apologized to somebody who he had accused of of unemployment fraud. Take a listen. We had somebody apply for unemployment for two core here in Kentucky and that person probably thought they were being funny. They probably did. How somebody in apology tonight Last night I spent a little bit of time talking about fraudulent claims holding us up and mentioned an individual that filed in the name of two boxes core. I didn't know And it's my fault that we have a Kentuckian who goes by maleek whose name is to pacture court. I talked to him on the phone today. Apologized and people sort of had a laugh about it because the the the young man's name is to record the two-pack trended underlying thing is that there is this. Lindsey Graham has been saying. Oh you can't give people unemployment plus they're just going to be lazy and stay home. They it goes right back there to these tropes that generally targeted at Black and Brown folks your thoughts absolutely so look ducks the way that the welfare queen stereotype got started in the first place. There was one story of welfare fraud in Chicago in the nineteen seventies and Ronald. Reagan created a whole narrative. About how this is just what black women were doing. So we've got to be extremely careful in this moment where people are in real crisis we are seeing it and we are seeing it across our communities. The other thing is the. Us is having a having a reckoning with our deep investment in in a world where we think that the job of folks is to work to live now that is typically what we expect a black and Brown folks that their job is to be servants that their work is to make the world comfortable for everyone else that is built into the fabric of this country but the reality that many of us who've had the privilege to actually shelter in place at home with relatively secure salaries are understanding. Is that all of us. Were working too hard that all of us were pushing ourselves far too much anyway and for what purpose right and so there is this narrative particularly coming out of the right agenda by capitalism. That says that our only purpose in life is that we live to work right and the challenge of that is that you can't work if you can't live can't breathe just to sort of flip it. What the corollary into really begin to get us to think. I'm not on this particular broadcast today. Trying to say that we need to have you know trying to full scale kind of push against capitalism on anti-capitalist precisely because it puts us in these kinds of ethical calculations. But I'm asking folks to really begin to think about what our relationship to capitalism is when you begin to do that then you have to think about the ways that we tax the most vulnerable folks in our populations the ways that we fundamentally don't value them the ways that we keep on saying that these workers are essential but the idea that making meet clans. Go in making people's grocery deliveries easier that all of that stuff matters more than keeping people say helping people take care of their families. Helping people have food to eat. All of which are choices. The government can make all of which are choices at the government made the last time we were in a great depression to see the. The lack fundamentally of empathy on the right is the thing that I find most disturbing because this is not just a political conversation. It's also immoral conversation. You begin to talk about macro politics. You're also talking about how we think about life itself and many people have set. Budgets are moral documents what we do about economies. Have we value people making money in the conditions in which they work? Also tell us something about where. We are spiritually as a country. We're in a deep place of of just making the wrong choices about cool matters here and so it starts people when I make claims you know I said on twitter as part of this necker politics threat black lives matter but that call never meant that only black lives matter it Mitt. That when you begin to think about how the least of these in our society are being treated you create a context for everybody to have a better set of working condition. Yeah indeed indeed I WANNA I wanna add to this conversation because we're having a bit of a truncated broadcast today because we've got this presser coming up so I want to add into the conversation former. Us Housing and Urban Urban Development Secretary. Julio Castro also was a candidate for president I want to throw this to you. Because we're seeing people line up in these I don't want to call them rallies they're not. I don't know what you call them when you when people are showing up with a AR fifteen's brandishing weapons intimidating workers intimidating government workers. And you know with these hideous signs that are offensive and in some cases anti Jewish are racist and demanding. What like it's not clear what they're demanding demand to infect other people demanding to make other people sick but in a sense is a it is very busy mono racial whatever you WANNA call it. Protest that does feel like it's directed at the fact that this policy of staying home at least is attempting to save the lives of people who were dying or that are primarily black and Brown. Your thoughts are and said to be with you joy this morning all of us had seen the video and the images coming out of Michigan and other places of these folks Storming the state capital brandishing. Their weapons demanding a that. The state be reopened. We saw the tweets. Donald Trump sent out a week or so ago about liberate Michigan Liberate Virginia and so forth In what is in you. Put your finger on. What's amazing is that if you took those images and you compared them to eleven years ago the first year of President Obama's presidency and auto the signs in the messages in the spirit of those rallies basically the same thing. It's basically the same thing and so I think it gets at this long standing grudge. That many people have that in parties raisch allies and is racially motivated. And I also believe that you know when journalists have an opportunity to investigate some of these these rallies what they're gonna find is that that They are organized in perhaps partially funded by the same organizations for right wing organizations that have an interest in stirring these these passions off. So you know it's it's astroturf basically And this time. What's different is that it's endangering public health. It's making it harder for exactly. Get past this cove in nineteen crisis and to just really quickly before. Because we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA add more to this to this panel if you were still running hard because the other issue. We're having to sort of conversation about this political moment where people are deciding. Who's were who who is worthy of living who is worthy of preserving their lives and who is not right and you think about public housing a group of Americans that are often not thought about not not you know not really paid that much attention to who live in very close quarters who are sort of by default living in situations where it is easier to get sick because you're on top of each other. What should be in a world where we had a normal presidency? What should be being done about that? Well I mean first of all we have something like twenty six billion dollars worth of overdue housing repairs that need to be done in public housing. We lose ten thousand units of public housing every year to disrepair in so many ways we've underinvested in public housing we'd to make those investments we ensure that people can live in good safe sanitary conditions that they're not crowded with each other in the Nineteen Ninety S. We had we got into this mode of demolishing of these big high rises in Chicago in other places in some ways. I think that we went too far because public housing does have real value and it has real value going forward in being able to provide people a safe decent affordable place to live. However I do think that along with that we forgot about in many ways the residents who live there and We need to be going in the other direction of investing in them. We also need direct rental assistance. That's a huge gap and I WANNA commend off folks like Representative Presley and Representative Denny heck who proposed different pieces of legislation to provide rental assistance to people. That desperately need it. Yeah and as if as if by magic I happen to have congressman. I enter Presley here. She was holding. We had we had a little bit of a different show plan today but we are. We are working on the fly so I want to bring in Congresswoman Ileana Presley. Thank you so much for being here congresswoman. Add you to the conversation because rent relief is now a day. It's a DEFCON. One situation yesterday was May i. It was not just made. It was rent day for a lot of people in the countries. Were having this whole conversation about who is being valued in this moment when we have this pandemic crisis and who is not renters are in trouble. Renters are suffering. Talk about the ideas that you have for trying to alleviate that sure well I I just want to commend my My colleague Representative Omar for her legislation. Which I'm proud to be an original cosponsor of which would cancel rant You know we're in the midst of a pandemic of public health crisis. People are quite literally navigating a new normal. Just trying to stay alive. And you're housing. Is your most expensive bill and also to the points made by Secretary Castro and also the professor. I'm housing is is a critical determinant of health as well. So many of the health disparities that we see also why we need quality safe and affordable housing but housing is your most expensive bill. So why folks are navigating normal. Just trying to stay alive. They shouldn't also be worried about paying the rent in. So we should just cancel that and eliminate that worry and carbon mortgages. Oh absolutely but when when they hear that then then you think twelve hundred dollars. That won't pay the rent in anywhere in New York City. I can tell you that. Nowhere near paying your rent in most big cities that's not paying. I'm sure in Boston. That's not paying your rent. So you know the challenge. People have as they're watching. They're watching the legislation happen. They're like this isn't helping me right. So what what can be done to to to change that dynamic yeah joint? Let me to say what happened yesterday. So we're experiencing unprecedented her ch- and in the wake of that. We're also seeing unprecedented activism. But folks should not have to organize and mobilize around what should be so obvious. This hurt is unprecedented. The relief should be felt by everyone. It requires unprecedented solutions. Unprecedented leadership and we need a relief package that puts the people first and that does mean many other things which hope to a new right later but it certainly means cancelling rent and You know I think the reason this administration has such contempt for workers and for everyday families is there calloused in their disconnected secretary. Mnuchin thinks someone. Some family can live off of twelve hundred dollars for ten weeks. That is seventeen dollars a day and I think Donald Trump has contempt for workers. Because he doesn't know anything about doing work all he does is play golf so of course he has contempt for workers but even when he plays golf he's utilizing low income oftentimes undocumented workers to make sure they're cleaning up after him and serving his food and making sure the green is. Kim knows what look like they look like black and Brown people and work gets done by workers and while many people are just now getting the memo that these are essential workers They had for too long been treated as if they are not essential but they are disposable and so they don't have essential rights. Think about if we already had universal paid leave universal health care how we would have more effectively in better weather this storm in so this is why I partnered with Senator Warren in representative Kana to introduce the essential workers bill of rights. These workers deserve a personal protection protective equipment. They deserve hazard pay deserve to know one. Another Co worker has tested positive and they deserve paid leave and Justice Center. This constituent called me at eleven o'clock at night. Essential worker a single mom the schools or close no one else to care for her child. She said I feel sick and I need to stay home with my child. Can You promised me representative Presley that if I stay home that I won't lose my job and I could not guarantee her. That and so this This bill would take care of that and it needs to be included in the next relief along with the cancellation of rent on the ring. Cancellations they want to stay with for just a moment secretary Castro. Not only were you. Also were mayor big city mayor and I wonder if the cancellation front. I imagine it would be very difficult to get a bill like that through Mitch. Mcconnell the grim reaper but governors can make a lot of decisions and in a lot of cases. They're acting sort of mini presidents here because Donald Trump is not acting. Could've governor in theory implement rent cancellation in their state. Could Governor Cuomo when he's cut when he comes up. His press conference announce that he is going to issue a rent cancellation not just for individuals but also for small businesses who by the way have to also pay rent. It's a great point. I mean governors do have a lot with authority up there. And fortunately as we've seen during this crisis. Governors have picked up the slack so have mayors in cities across this country In fact in a lot of places local communities they instituted protections against eviction They have also started direct rental assistance funds. But dance your question. I do think that a balanced package that provides rental relief is urgently needed and in Representative. Omar's legislation for instance. Both sides of this that are addressed right. We need to address the side of the renter. Who's panicking right now? Because it's already the second of the month and usually on the fourth or the fifth. That rent is delinquent and a landlord. can take action at the same time with respect to landlords in the bill addresses this as well a lot of these landlords are not landlords that own twenty-five thousand properties. They're people that own duplex or four lacks in people have brought up which is a legitimate point that many of them have a mortgage on that property and so That legislation is thoughtful and beginning to address all sides of that equation but to make sure that all of those vulnerable American families. That are panicking. Because they don't have the money for red are taken care of. That's what we need to do. And Are we just going to be home with a Gordon? Oh I just want to build upon that and say yes This legislation is very thoughtful. It's holistic because knowledge that again the scale and scope with this pandemic. The hurt is unprecedented and the relief must be felt equitably. Yeah and by the way banks were handed sight unseen one point seven trillion with a t dollars by the Federal Reserve. So the money is there the trick of we don't have the money that will work on America's anymore because now we know they have a lot of money when they have a lot of money in bank surgery get it? So they could mitigate loans or they let people go on mortgages so that way that people can not charge rent because the mortgages there can be mortgage. There's plenty of money on set and allows you just wanted to say to your point about Our state legislature is in our governors. I do have to give it up to you. Know Mild Comma Waltham Massachusetts where our state legislature has stepped up and there is at least a moratorium addictions and foreclosures. But in order for us to really get at this holistically we do need to cancel ran in PAS mortgages. And that's why I'm proud to be an original cosponsor representative Omar's legislation and we hope that place. I was just a joy in my hope. Is that that we're going to learn a powerful lesson from this experience and that we're going to begin to treat. Housing is a human right in this concert that this kind of movement will be will be the beginning of longer lasting change. We won't treat housing as a backburner issue in a way that we have for a long time. Yeah and appreciate that begins with no absolutely and you know. I want to bring seth in Brittany back in the sense that it's a holistic thing I think as the congressman the congresswoman and the former secretary said it's holistic. It's can you pay? Do you have any money? Do you have any income? It's can you then turn around and pay your bills and pay your rent? It's all it also goes together and at the job end of it. It's very difficult to get around the the the sort of simple idea. If the United States was doing with some European countries we're doing instantly providing enough of a monthly income. I think Senator Sanders has been for this. That's not at twelve hundred dollars. One time it's money per month. Is that something that the United States could theoretically be doing? A lot of these dynamics. There's no question about it and I think we're going to have to do that. Because that twelve hundred dollars which by the way has only gotten out to about half of the American people people who are going to get paper checks in large part haven't received that money at so that's really just a hope at this point for them but yes we're going to have to do that again because this economic recession that we're in heading towards a depression is going to last and twelve. Hundred dollars. Doesn't run out quickly in New York and Boston and also runs out quickly in Omaha and it runs out quickly in Butte Montana. It's not enough money to support a family for more than a short period of time and unemployment insurance benefits are not getting out to everybody who should be getting them either. That's the other big economic support that folks have and we know that small business start laying off and large businesses are laying workers off in in large numbers. So we're going to have to figure out a way for the government to cover the difference because he can't pay bills with money. You don't have so to eat money into workers who are unemployed workers who are in trouble workers who are low wage already and we're struggling so that we can send out of the deep economic depression which were headed right now. Absolute lack of an FDR problem without an FDR. I'm going to give Brittany the last word since we did. Start this whole thing with a tweet. That she posted inspired me to have her on the show today. So I'm going to give you the last word. Britney it's absolutely true that we need a universal basic income in this country. The right is resisting this because they are worried. That left is going to get all of our the things that we've been pressing for In this crisis look crises. Expose the places that we need to go in the ways that we need to grow. We have an opportunity in this moment to get better and we'll do that by focusing on how least of these in our country are fearing those folks are disproportionately black and Brown. This housing crisis is driven by this cable. Perception of black women as the undeserving and lazy for that is that is driving. So much of this so these policies will get us there. But we've got to go farther. I hope that we can start. We've gotTA start by deciding that living and our government doing things to promote the living thriving all of our citizens and not just the chosen. Few is the way to the future that we want. Amen well I think this panel. This is sort of on the fly. Thank you all for being so flexible in two panels together. You guys are Great Britain's Cooper Seth Harris Congresswoman ianna Presley Houlihan. Castro could not have been a better panel. Thank you all. Stay safe please. We are still waiting on this. Press briefing near Corner Andrew. Cuomo this morning but we will have a angel after the break. Hey Guys Willie geist here. Be sure to check out this week's episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast where I get together with the legendary Woody Harrelson for a wide ranging conversation. I promise you don't WanNa Miss Woody. Get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts. All Right Governor Andrew. Cuomo has taken his seat. We're going to go to him now. Closure to get out of the state capital tell you the truth and talk to the people who are actually doing the work. I am McQueen's boy so it's coming back home for me. Corona Queens was called Corona Queens before the corona virus. There was no connection between Corona Queens and the Corona Virus Levin introduced my colleagues who here from my far left Pat. Foy Who is the chairman of the MTA to my immediate left. Sarah Feinberg who runs the New York City Transit Bureau to my right Gareth roads? Who is Deputy Superintendent of the Department of Financial Services but has been with me for many years and is now helping on this up in Albany? The today is Saturday. I know that because it's on the slide otherwise I may not have known that But I follow the days by. What's on the power point? Everybody talks about. This is uncharted waters. That we've never been here before and that's true but even when you are in uncharted waters that doesn't mean you just proceed blindly right. You'd get whatever information that you can because you want to stay informed even in the old days when sailors would sail into uncharted waters. This is before. Gps radar and depth finders. They would throw out a piece of lead with the rope. The lead would fall to the bottom and they would call back to the captain. How deep the water was the letter you've been had on the very bottom a piece of wax. That would pickup. What was on the ocean bottom? Whatever sand rocks etc so the captain could tell basically where he was so unchartered? Waters doesn't mean proceed blindly right. It means get information. Get data the best you can and use that data to decide where you're going so especially in this situation. We have so much emotion your politics. You have personal anxiety that people feel social anxiety social stress. Let's stick to the facts. Let's stick to the data. Let's make sure we're making decisions with the best information that we have so. We do a lot of testing a lot of tracking to find out where we are. We test number of hospitalizations. Every night we find out how many people in the hospital the day before. And we've been tracking. That good news. Is that number down a tick again? Today the net change in hospitalizations is down a tick. Intimations is down which is very good news. The new cases walking the door the new cova cases. The number of new infections was also down a little bit eight hundred thirty one. It had been relatively flat at about nine hundred every day which is not great news. Yesterday was a thirty one will watch to see what happens with that. The number that I watch every day which is the worst is the number of deaths. That number has remained obnoxiously and terrifyingly high. And it's still not dropping at the rate we would like to see a drop. It even went up a little bit two hundred ninety nine to one hundred and eighty nine the day before so that is bad news. Two hundred and seventy six deaths in hospitals twenty-three in nursing homes as everybody knows. Nursing homes are where the most vulnerable population is and the highest number of the most vulnerable population but again use the data use information to determine actions not emotions not politics not what people think feel but what we know in terms of facts. We've been sampling all across the state to determine the infection rate. So we know if it's getting better if it's getting worse and we've done the largest survey in the nation testing for people who have antibodies. If somebody has antibodies. It means that that person was infected. Right that's what the antibody test does for you. It tells you that person was infected. They've now recovered so that they have. Antibodies I went through this with my brother Chris. He got infected. He now has the antibody so you test him. He tests positive for antibodies. So we've been doing. These antibody testings all across the state. We have the largest sample now over fifteen thousand people which is an incredibly large sample and when we started on the twenty second we had twenty nine hundred people surveyed. At that time we had about a thirteen point. Nine percent just about fourteen percent infection rate statewide then went up to about four point. Fourteen point nine and today it is down to twelve point. Three now. Statisticians will say this is all plus or minus in the margin of error. But it's a large sample. It is indicative fourteen to fourteen point nine down to twelve point three and as you can see we test about every four or five days. We have so much at stake so many decisions that we have to make that we want to get those data points as quickly as we can and seeing it go down to twelve percent in. May only a couple of points but it's better than seeing it go up. That's for sure and again. This is outside the margin of error so this is a good sign and it is fifteen thousand people surveyed. So it's a large number. You can then start to look at where in this state. Who IN THE STATE? So that will inform our strategy. You can see. It's a little bit more male than female. Not exactly sure why that is a New York City. You see the number one from twenty one to twenty four and it's down to nineteen point nine so again. That's a good sign. You Always WanNa see the number dropping rather than the number increasing within New York City. You see the Bronx is high. Twenty seven percent Brooklyn Nineteen Manhattan Seventeen Queens Eighteen. Staten Island nine thousand nine hundred and we're going to do more research to understand what's going on there. Why is the bronx higher than the other boroughs? Statewide you see. It's basically about flat. This is predominantly an issue for New York City then Long Island then the northern suburbs then the rest of the state but Eerie County which is Buffalo. New York has been problematic. The racial breakdown. We're looking at to see a studied disproportionate impact who is paying the highest price for this virus. What's happening with poorer communities? What's happening in with a ratio with the racial demographics overlaid over the income demographics and also if there's any information in different ages that could be instructive were still getting about nine hundred new infections everyday walking into the hospital that is still an unacceptably high rate where trying to understand exactly why that is. Who are those nine hundred? Where is it coming from? What can we do to now? Refine our strategies to find out where those new cases of being generated. And then get to those areas. Get to those places get to those people to try to target our attack. If you remember we had the first cluster in the nation first hotspot even before they called them. Hotspots was new Rochelle Westchester and there was a tremendous outbreak. In New Rochelle. We then sent all sorts of resources into new Rochelle and we actually reduced that hot spot. So if you find a specific place or pattern that is generating infections then you can attack but you have to find it first and that's what we're looking at especially on the number of new infections that are coming and you see if you look at the location of it. It's not telling us much but where we asked to hospitals yesterday. We have all the hospitals on a conference call and I spoke to all the hospital hospitals and ask them to take additional information from people who are walking into the hospitals to try to find out where these infections are coming from. Are they frontline workers for people who are staying home these infections that are being spread in the home? Or are they frontline workers? Which means they're getting up every day. They're getting on public transit. They're going to work and maybe they're getting on public transit. Maybe they're getting it at the workplace but getting more information on where these new cases are coming from. Where do you live not just borrow? What community within the borough all the different health factors that are affecting the new infection. Rate Co Morbidity. He's how were they traveling? Are they in their cars? Are they on public transportation? Is that the New York City Transit System Long Island railroad etc so we asked the hospitals to collect that data. Yesterday will be getting that over the next couple of days and that will help us again. get more information. In the meantime we know that vulnerable populations are paying the highest price. Seniors are nursing homes and our poorer communities. They are the ones where you have higher infection rates and you have higher risk and higher exposure. We're GONNA distribute today seven million masks to just those communities in nursing homes poorer communities people in public housing in New York City New York City Housing Authority. So we'll be doing that today. Seven million masks is a large number. There's about nine million people in New York City. Total so seven million masks is obviously will make a big difference. We're all so funding food banks the more. This has gone on the longer people without a job longer. People without a check our without a check basics like paying rent and buying food become very important. We have addressed the rent issue. The immediate urgent need nobody can be affected for non-payment of rent and that's true through June so people are stable in their housing environment. Next basic need is food right and we're operating foodbanks. Twenty five million dollars more in food banks. All the food banks will tell you that the demand is way way up and we need help in funding foodbanks philanthropies a lot of foundations. That are in the business of helping people. Well if you're a foundation or not for profit or philanthropy or a person who wants to help? We could use more funding for food banks. The state budget is also very stressed with what's going on so we don't have the state funds to do what's needed but we would appreciate donations for the food banks as I said. The antibody testing has been very important and We're going to undertake a full survey of antibody testing for transit workers. Transit workers have very much been at the front line. We talk about essential workers people who are out there every day running the buses running the subways all through this. We know that there's been a very high infection rate among transit workers We've said thank you and we appreciate what you're doing one thousand times but I believe actions speak louder than words if you appreciate what we're doing and help us do what we do and we're going to be doing that with more testing and more resources that's going to be going on right now. And to keep our trees and workers safe and to keep the public safe the rioting public. We're going to do something that has never been done before. And that is that the MTA is going to be disinfecting every train. Twenty four hours. This is such a monumental undertaking. I can't even begin to describe it to you The New York City subway system has never been closed. It operates twenty four hours a day because we have a twenty four hour city. We're taking the unprecedented step during this pandemic of closing the system for four hours at night from one. Am to five when the ridership is lowest. The ridership is lower to begin with. It's down about ninety percent because of everything but its lowest during one. Am to five am. We're going to close it from one. Am to five am the MTA is going to Literally disinfect every train and just viewed the operations on how they're doing it. It's smart. It's labor intensive people have to wear has matt suits. They have a number of chemicals. That disinfect but literally. You have to go through the whole train. With a misting device where they spray disinfectant literally on every surface. You know this virus just studying it now but there were reports and say the virus can live two or three days on some surfaces like stainless steel. You look at the inside of a subway car. You look at the rails you look at the the bars. They're all stainless steel so to make sure the transit workers safe to make sure the riding public is safe. The best thing you can do is disinfect. The whole inside of the car as massive challenges that is but that's what the MTA is doing and they're doing it extraordinarily well and it's just another sign of the dedication this the capacity of our transit workers which is indicative of the story of New York. I mean they are stepping up in a big way. Not just the cars are also doing stations all the handrails etc and it's good and smart for the transit workers who have to work in that environment but it's also right for the riding public and we want people to know who need to use the subways and the buses because they are working that they are safe and the essential workers who have kept this entire society functioning have done an extraordinary job and we want them to know that we're doing everything we can do to keep them safe. You know. This was the delicate balance all along. We needed New Yorkers to understand how dangerous this virus was and we communicated that early on so that when we said stay home people understood. They should really stay home right. New Yorkers can be a cynical bunch and just because it governor says stay home. They're not going to stay home unless they understand why they need to stay home. So we presented those tracks but at the same time we're saying to essential workers after just hearing how dangerous viruses and by the way you have to go to work tomorrow and they did. And if the essential workers didn't then you would have seen a real problem if you don't have food on the shelves if you don't have power to homes If you don't have basic services if the police don't show up if the fire department doesn't show up if the EMT's don't show up if the ambulance is don't run. The nurses don't show up the doctors. Don't show up then. You are in a place where you've never been before so after communicating. How dangerous the situation was. The next breath was but frontline workers. You have to show up and they did and they did and they did their job and that is an extraordinary extraordinary example of duty and honor and respect and love for what they do and who they are and love for their brothers and sisters in the community and they demonstrated it. They didn't say they demonstrated every day when they get up and they leave their house so God bless them all but we also have to do what we have to do to make sure we're doing everything we can to keep them safe. And this heroic effort on cleaning the subways is part of that and we will continue because we are New York. Tough but tough. Jessen doesn't mean just tough. It means smarter. Means United amused disciplined. And it means loving. You can be tough and you can be loving. They're not inconsistent. Sometimes you have to be tough to be loving. And that's what New Yorkers all about questions comments governor homeless we'll have to be leaving subway system. What resources what actions is your administration taking to provide? You know hotel rooms funding any other resources to make sure they don't just move the problem from one area to another Louis. I've worked with the homeless communities since I was in my twenty s. I ran a not for profit. I was the largest provider for homeless families. In the country I then went to Department of Housing and Urban Development which for the federal government is in charge of homeless programs. Came up with a whole new program to help the homeless nationwide and implemented that did more for the homeless than ever before so my knowledge of helping the homeless. I think is sufficient. And I know there's a lot of politics about helping Hamas you do not help the homeless by letting them stay on a subway car and sleep on a subway car in the middle of a global pandemic when they could expose themselves or others to virus. That does not help the homeless. I mean it is common sense to these. People need a safe clean decent place shelter. We should provide that. Even more. To the to the extent people need services and help with an underlying issue mental health services substance abuse job training et CETERA. We should provide that so the notion of what you should let everyone sleep on the train and just stay on the train homeless because that's good for them. It's not good for them we. We are funding. An unprecedented amount in housing and services for the homeless part of what the problem has been has been connecting a homeless individual with those services. That is the difficulty because homeless people have an underlying issue have been homeless for a period of time. It's not as simple as saying come with me. I want to help you come. I'm going to bring you to a community. Group residents. That connection is very difficult. It's not that we're not funding services finding housing. You have to get that homeless person to a position where they trust and they're accepting. I think this actually poses an opportunity to engage homeless men and women who have been sleeping on trains some of them for years four years. Now to disinfect. You have to get the people off the trains. You have to engage homeless men and women with the appropriate skill set. And I think it's actually an opportunity to get the most trains and actually connect them to the services. They need it but it is governor. There's been talk of using FEMA money. Money emergency aid from Hud to paper hotel rooms for the homeless especially street homeless. Have you taken any actions to make that those sort of resources available we have funding for local governments? It's up to the local government to decide the best strategy. But I think there's an opportunity here. This picture that are editor took this morning about nine thirty this morning on an F. train at Westport and unfortunately there were three men sleeping in the car spread out I mean. Do you realistically think that with this. Increased outreach because you push them out in the middle of the night can we see an end to that Japan realistically or is that will will you? Can you end all homeless people? No I don't believe you were. I would like to say yes but I don't believe you will. You always had a certain number of people who were homeless for one reason or another going back decades. I mean not like it is today but you always had some people who for one reason or another wanted to sort of get away from society drop out of society had an issue that they were dealing with. I don't think you'll help everyone one hundred percent but I don't know that that's that's the real question you help as many people as you can and this'll be the first time that I can remember that. Every homeless person by definition has to get off that train at one point. You know to disinfect. The trains everyone has to be off the train. And I think that's an opportunity to actually engage homeless people and find out what they need and try to link them up with the services in the help. Will you get every? Will you help everyone but you help everyone that you can't can't pay the rent now and they don't pay the rent. They cannot be evicted by the landlord period. You cannot be victim for non-payment of rent. I did what's called an executive order but it's basically a law so a landlord cannot evict the person for non-payment of rent. If you can pay the rent you should pay the rent right. I'M NOT SAYING. Don't pay if you can pay morality in this but if you can't pay many people can't pay because of circumstances you cannot be addicted and that is a law that is in place through June and then come June. We'll see where we are and we'll figure it out sir. Romney wore officers are going to be needed and the need to travel. Is there anything? We are Chairman Pat Foy with us And Sarah who runs the Transit Bureau alternative to them to give you some more details. Well let me start with the Alternative Service Plan and Sarah will talk about the Program of closing the subways from one. Am to five am What we are going to do. Well let me say that step back. When the pandemic began we've reached out to the Hospital Association to Labor Unions Trade Associations to get data on where they are employees. Lived what hospital they went went to what food preparation facility as an example. They went to we. Did we did that in early. March as a result we have very granular data as to the number of passengers that travel from one. Am TO TWO AM. We know that in the period from one. Am to five in approximately ten to eleven thousand. A of our customers travel what we have done in connection with the announcement. The governor's announcement earlier in the week in Albany about closing the subways I in a bunch of my colleagues at reached out to the AFL CIO to the Transit Workers Union New York state in New York City to the Hospital Association. Eleven ninety nine thirty two J. The building trades grocery stores and grocery store unions that that's a partial list and we're getting very granular data where their employees or members travel fun and to and we are going to to the extent we can tailor service to accommodate their needs. And I'll turn to Sarah in terms of the alternative service program. Sure so thanks. So Pat said ten to eleven thousand of our riders travel between one and five. Am over the last several weeks. We know Which subway stops they use? We know a lot of origin and destination information. Look we're going to prioritize best service. We're we're a public transportation agency and so we want to prioritize best service. It's we're going to be running a lot of buses in most places. The subway headways were about twenty minutes. So we'RE GONNA have bus service that matches the subway headways if you were if you were depending on the subways. We're GONNA try to match bus service that you are We were listening to Governor Andrew. Cuomo he has now turned the briefing over someone else. Who's talking about empty? Those of you have heard the term. Mta being thrown around if you do not live in New York City and are not familiar with what they're talking about. The Metropolitan Transit Authority runs the buses and the subways and of course in New York City. The buses in the subways are really kind of the main artery of getting around. An- illnesses that impact. Mass transit obviously can shut New York City down and make it very difficult to end. This coronas crisis because people ride very close together. People are on subways a quick couple of data points five point seven million people ride the New York City subway every day. Metro North has about three hundred thousand riders a day riding in from Connecticut and New Jersey. So that's kind of the context of why you're hearing a lot of talk about the M. T. A. From Governor. Cuomo in from the person who's speaking right now. Seven million masks have been sent to nursing homes and to at risk communities per the governor. He's implemented in order saying no evictions through June meeting. People who were unable to pay their rent have rent relief through June and is a month from now and the question is does that mean that when June comes they have to pay all the back rent. Because that's a problem. If you get to the end of your relief you still have to pay the rent. That was not answered. No one followed up on that or maybe somebody will follow up on that. One of the questionnaires antibody tests for all transit workers in the New York City region. That's being implemented again because transit is the artery of New York City and Cuomo announced that the M. T. A. M. Metropolitan Transit Authority. That runs buses. And subways isn't going to disinfect. All the trains from one PM to five am that matters to you. If you live in the tri-state area if you live or work in New York City so we will continue to monitor the krona virus updates in New York but up next the latest on the sexual harassment allegation against former Vice President Joe Biden and also his response some coffee and we'll see on the other side of the break. Would you please go on the record with the American people? Did you sexually assault terror? Read no it is not true. I'm saying unequivocally it never never happened. Do you remember. Do you remember any any types of complaints that she might have made. I don't remember any type of complaints. She may have made. It was twenty seven years ago and I don't remember nor does anyone else that I'm aware of on Friday. The apparent Democratic nominee former vice president Joe Biden appeared on Morning Joe and categorically denied an allegation of sexual assault against him. That's been leveled by a former staffer in his Senate office named Tara Reid and a trigger warning here read alleged that in nineteen nine hundred three then senator pushed her up against a wall in the Senate office building in penetrated her with his fingers under her skirt. Read alleges that shortly after this incident she official complaint with the Senate personnel office alleging that she had experienced harassment and that shortly after that. She says she was fired. These claims must be taken seriously full. Stop not least of all because we are in the middle of a presidential campaign and so the obligation that we have on this side of the virtual desk to tell you what we know and what we don't. So here's what we know. As of today misread made her allegation publicly for the first time on. March twenty fifth a few weeks ago. Nbc News reached out to five people. Who Ms Reid said could provide corroboration of her claim. One did confirm that misery told them about the alleged assault at the time another says she recalled some of the details but nothing regarding the alleged assault the other three said they were called no such conversation since then business insider has published an interview with a former neighbor of reads who says misery. Toltar- about the assault at the time. This is not the first time Joe Biden. Myspace allegations of unwanted touching last year. Eight women including misread came forward to say that Biden hugged kissed or touched them in ways. That made them feel uncomfortable. Read is the only one that has since alleged assault to that point. The New York Times led an investigation into these allegations and contacted nearly two dozen people. Who WORKED WITH MR Biden in the early nineties? None were able to corroborate any details of misery delegation and many even said Biden's office had the reputation of being a supportive workplace for women. We also have to talk about. The timing of all of this is read. Made her allegations public in late March when the primary was down to just Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders and days before Sanders announced. He was suspending his campaign. Some Biden supporters have questioned Ms Reeve's motives because of that timing misery voted for Sanders in the California primary. And that of course doesn't mean that. She's not believable but some sanders supporters have used the allegations to call for Biden to be replaced on the Democratic ticket because of these claims with the implication that sanders should replace him. Ms Reed story also has changed considerably over time in significant ways she initially allege a year ago that Biden inappropriately touched her neck and hair and only later up the claim to sexual assault. And there's been a change in the reason why. She says she left her job early on. She says she was pushed out. After declining to serve drinks at an event and last and also most weirdly back in two thousand eighteen read wrote a series of blog posts extravagantly praising Russian President Vladimir Putin who intelligence agencies say wage cyber warfare against the United States in order to get donald trump elected president and one such blog post which she published on medium and has since been deleted entitled. Why a Liberal? Democrat supports bladder near Putin. She wrote quote. President Putin has an alluring combination of strength. With gentleness his sensuous image projectors love for life the embodiment of grace while facing adversity misery. Now says that her praise of Putin misguided meanwhile Joe Biden isn't just any old Democratic candidate. He was vice president to the first black president of the United States. And before that a senator with a decades long record during the very same era in which this accusation lives Biden wrote and passed a controversial crime. Bill that also contained the violence against Women Act and before that as chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee he was accused of failing to take a NIETA hills. Sexual harassment claims against Supreme Court nominee. Clarence Thomas nearly seriously enough all things for which you will have to grapple as a presidential candidate in all of this is taking place today in the Metoo era when women are finally being given the space to have these kinds of claims taken seriously but also in such claims have had widely different consequences for powerful men from Harvey Weinstein R Kelly and Bill Cosby and even Senator Al Franken. Who was literally run out of town by his fellow. Democrats to conservative men like Brett cavenaugh. For whom the accusations by Dr Christine Blasi Ford got little more than a cursory. Fbi investigation and now. She has to live in hiding to avoid the death threats while he sits on the Supreme Court for life. Right Beside Clarence Thomas History how you rhyme. Here's what Joe Biden said about the cavenaugh gay allegations at the time for a woman to come forward to the glaring lights of now. The national spotlight. You've got to start with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about Israel whether or not she forgets facts whether or not it's been made worse or better over time and here's how he reacted to Mika Brzezinski reminding him of those words yesterday. Look from the very beginning. I've said believing. Women means taking the women's claims seriously when she steps forward and then vet it. Look into it this. This is true in this case as well women have right to be heard and the pressure rigorously investigate claims they make always a poll that principle but in the end in every case the truth is what matters this case. The truth is the claims are false. Anything News has reached out to Tara Reid for reaction to Biden's comments but it's not her back we've also invited her to appear on this show. We did not hear back so far. And while we're contest you take contextualising. Any claims of prominent political leaders facing the political risk and the personal embarrassment of sexual misconduct allegations. We must never ever forget that we are living right now in a world and in a country where the American President Donald J trump stands presently accused by two dozen women of sexual misconduct including harassment and sexual assault. All of which of course even as the entire country heard him on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women with Impunity. So there's that Aaron Hanes editor at large for the Nineteenth Adrian elrod former senior adviser to the Hillary Clinton Campaign Michelle Goldberg columnist for The New York Times in Msnbc Contributor Cynthia oxy who was a former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst. We should note that. Cynthia wants intern for Biden Senate office. Thank you all for being here and start with you. You write for the nineteenth which focuses on issues of concern to women. Give me a sense of how this story is playing out among voters who have already seen this choice. Basically made in the primaries. Yeah Good Morning. Good to be with you. I think that it is hearing important. To point out is somebody who's covered this primary for for the past year and a half you know. Conversations around women and their safety in the workplace and in public spaces was largely left off of the campaign trail and the debate stage. But at least for now This issue is front and center with with this Terry allegation and it is important to remember that women are the majority of the electorate and survivors. Frankly are an important constituency. That is weighing. How these kinds of issues could affect how they choose to participate in democracy both in the primary and headed into the fall. I think is important since the now that the former vice president has finally come forward and address these allegations for himself about what these women voters are going to make a what he said if his statements yesterday in his interviewer Orla even lingo If they were satisfied with his response and inhabit that is affecting. But but you're right. I mean now this. This isn't election where we are having a conversation about Two men who have been accused obviously different levels of accusations for the former vice president and and our and our incumbent president but nonetheless this now is a conversation that has finally entered this twenty twenty election cycle and and women voters definitely paying attention. Yeah and you know Adrian. It strikes me that you know started off talking about some twenty people running for president including many many very qualified women And we came down to what will essentially be to silent generation. White men will be going up against each other for the presidency. Both of whom have some issue or other. That's related in this general area. I'll though the scale is quite different with Donald Trump. I think that has to always be said And we can even put up the list of the number of people who've accused him. I think we have a picture of it. We can never really forget those accusers. I think it's important to keep their their stories top of mind as well but there. There are similarities to the twenty sixteen race in those trump's accusers their similarity to the two thousand sixteen race in the sense that Bill Clinton's issues from back in the nineties were used against Hillary Clinton. You'll recall that infamous moment when Roger Stone paraded out some of these Bill Clinton accusers to try to essentially equalised Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to say. Neither of these people is better. They're both just as bad and her email situation is just as bad it level the two of them when you look at poll about they were both equally terrible which means you could just make a jump ball choice without any sort of moral implications. Now what we're seeing is. The New York Times had a piece that came out overnight editorial calling for an investigation of Tara Reid's claims it said this Biden has said that he would like to see his Delaware papers released that he would like to see you all of his Senate papers released and they are. This is a start but it does not go far enough. Any serious inquiry must include the trove of records for Mr Biden Senate career that he donated to the University of Delaware in twenty twelve. Currently those files are set to remain sealed until after Mr Biden retired from public life. The common arrangement there are growing calls for Mr Biden and make those records available to see if they contain any mention of misread perhaps others who raise similar complaints about his behavior that he was asked about repeatedly by me. Cooper Jetski. Is this his emails or is this a legitimate call release every piece of paper. That's associated with him. Well joy first of all I want to thank you and congratulate basically acknowledged the fact that the way you laid up this discussion by laying out all this tax by you know going through a chronological time line. And then of course you know talking about what we went through in two thousand sixteen. I mean these are all important factors and I think before we really into these discussions. It's important to lay out the facts because oftentimes we down in. Then we have this sort of you know like equalised playing field. When it's really not the case to the point that you made twenty four accusers of Donald Trump. One person with some with some missteps perhaps in her stories what she said so far against Joe Biden when it comes to the New York Times editorial. I was pretty disappointed to see that this morning because it did remind me of two thousand sixteen. It did remind me of everything that we had to go through her emails. A couple things to push back on the New York Times editorial Biden was vetted we've got to keep in mind joy when he went through the vice presidential vetting process in two thousand eight to become Barack Obama's running mate that is no joke of a process every aspect of your life unturned. Everything is researched. You are you. There is no more stringent vetting process in the United States than going through that process. So he has been vetted if something like this had happened. I'm confident it would have been overturned. And we also. Of course joy heard from the attorney who oversaw the vetting process in two thousand eight? He said we never saw anything that accused him of sexual harassment or sexual assault would come crossing that process in secondly he took such a monumental step yesterday by saying you know what. I want the Senate to release these records. I want him to look into all of my documents. That are in the Senate archives that live wherever they may live and cover them. Something like this wouldn't live in the University of Delaware. It's important to keep in mind that when a public official elected official anybody who served in public office decides to archive their records from their Senate time from their time working in the White House or wherever they were. This is a choice. This is a choice that is meant to document their body of work for educational purposes for legacy building purposes. So something like personal records wouldn't live at the University of Delaware. If they exist anywhere they would live in the Senate they would live in the archives. He took the unprecedented step to ask. Those records be released. Should they exist? GotTa give a major props for that. A lot of individuals don't always take that step especially if you're the nominee for for running for president so props to Joe Biden I thought was credible. Very truthful yesterday Nigga. Brzezinski was very tough on him. It was a very tough interview and to me. I think he came across about as credible as one could be when when going through this process and just to fill in some of the data that you just heard a moment ago. William Jefferson for the audience did come through. This was the lawyer who handled the betting of Joe Biden during Barack Obama's vice presidential search. So he oversaw a team of nearly ten lawyers who spent nearly two months digging through records and interviewing dozens of people about Biden. This kind of complaint Terry any kind of complaint about Senator Biden and sexual harassment never came up. We just never had an occasion to interview anyone on an accusation. Like this. Because we've got Nelson's accusations that's fair to put out also. The University of Delaware has released a statement saying the University of Delaware received the Biden senatorial papers as a gift from Vice President Biden. We are currently curing the collection process. That we estimate will carry on to the spring of two thousand twenty one and as the curing process is not complete. The papers are not yet available to the public Nbc News has reported that Joe Biden has requested that the secretary of the Senate release all of the records that would mean the actual personnel records. And would be any records that we're actually directly related to personnel. So I just want to make sure I get that out. I want to go to you. Michelle Goldberg because the couple of the challenges that I think people are having with the whole way. This is playing out. Is it on the one hand? There's concern for Tara Reid for her to have closure you know her accusations to be looked into properly and then there's the sense that that the people who are pushing this. The hardest don't primarily care about her. There is this subtext of this. Being some kind of an opportunity to maybe ultimately get four Senator Sanders a nomination that he didn't win the old-fashioned way right. So you had clear. Sandberg who was Senator Sanders Twenty Twenty national organizing director. Tweet now is the time to deal with the ramifications of tariff reductions. Are this cut nine for my producers. Not this fall. There is simply no moral justification for Biden to continue as the presumptive nominee out of respect for survivors and for the good of the country. He should withdraw from the race. That kind of thing is what's a nerve. I think a lot of people about how this is going your thoughts Michelle clearly. I think there's a lot of bad faith among both people on the far less and people on the right pushing this story although that doesn't really tell us that much about whether the story itself is true or false right excuse me. I think that you also had immense bad faith among many of the people who persecuted Bill Clinton even though it's pretty clear that Bill Clinton did in fact engage in sexual misconduct. What's difficult about this case? Is that instead? Because it came through these intensely part of channels right because Tara. Reid pleaded sort of gleefully before she went public Keno. Just wait. You know timing tick Tock and so it was clear that she wanted to deploy this bomb for maximum political effect. That doesn't mean it's not true. It's entirely plausible to me. That if something like this happen to you you would want to use it to take down the person who victimize issue but it does. I think make it harder for people who you know. I think it does make it harder for Democrats particularly not to receive these allegations with a lot of suspicion. I actually not on the editorial board at the New York Times although I work On the editorial side I like the idea of the DNC. Doing some sort of investigation may be getting some sort of outside law firm in the same way that companies sometimes do when their sexual harassment complaints because people are comparing this to Christine Bazi Ford and Brad Kavanagh and I think it's important to remember that Christine Blasi board testified under oath and was cross examined under oath and the demand at the time from the metoo movement was that the FBI You know fully investigate her case. I don't think anybody wants William Bars Justice Department to fully investigate this case. But I do think it would be good to have Has Everybody has defy under oath? Gather all the relevant documents gathering. Whatever information is out there and presented in one coherent package as opposed to this kind of drip drip drip of confirmation half confirmation rumor? Innuendo yeah and I think that I think for a lot of people the worry that people have about the the. Delaware records is that it becomes a feeding frenzy like the emails did where the media demands. Don't we want all those records? We WanNA come through them. Would see what we find. And then we'll find news in there. I think that's what a lot of people do worry about but I want to go to the US. Cynthia because just from a you know this is also a potentially of illegal story although Ms. Read says that she no longer has the complaint that she filed. So that's not available and we're not sure you know. I don't believe that Mr Biden was named in any complaint that she fathered a tie but that being said here's what we know about the allegation and the changes in it. There were three people this pretty times in Biden Senate office who read claims that she told about the alleged harassment here. Three cultural from those three people quote number run in an interview with Mr Take Kaufman. A longtime friend of Mr Biden who was his chief of staff at the time. He said I did not know her. She did not come to me if she had. I would have remembered her number two. It's just so preposterous. That Senator Biden will be faced with these allegations and this is Dennis Turner. Who was the deputy chief of staff when Ms Reed worked in the office? I don't remember I don't remember this conversation. I would remember that conversation Quote number three never once witnessed or heard or received any reports of inappropriate conduct not from Israel not from anyone this Marian Baker Mr Biden's executive Assistant I've actually no knowledge or memory of misreads accounting of bans which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman personal and if the manager there's also there are three tweets from March by misread. That that they. They migrate in March Fifteenth. And this was around the time that I believe Senator Sanders was losing in Michigan. I worked for Joe Biden. She says in one thousand nine hundred eighty. I complained about sexual harassment. Me I was fired. My full account never was told in public last April Joe Biden former staffer called me a Russian press. I have been silence. Mark Seventeen my full account. What Biden did to me is being silenced. Some people know what by did to me yet a does not public I would disqualify. Disqualify him then. She says Biden sexually harassed me and more do not let me be silence and she also tweet ahead not us which is the Bernie Sanders Hashtag and then March twenty fifth. This is an expert of the Audio interview where she says it's assault so can you just from a legal standpoint? Give us what. What do you make of this? These claims well let me just say I. I think it's important that we've been heard. I think it's important that it's taken seriously. Which obviously we're doing today. I think it's important that Vice President Biden had a chance to confront the allegations. And now here. We are at evaluation from from a professional prosecutor. Who's tried a lot of sex crimes? Cases here's what I see. I see a case that started in one thousand nine hundred three where the victim did not say. She was sexually assaulted by her own account. We don't have the written record of that. We do need to find what we don't have the written record and then we have twenty six years pretty much twenty six years of her not accusing him of sexual assault. There is one witness that says she did but for most of twenty six years out of her mouth. We have not heard that and in March it morphs to include pretty graphic details. Her own family member has changed his story. A little bit and so the case has inconsistencies. That require explanations. That require maybe. There's a good explanation but you would have to have a serious interview to find out. Why is it that the story has changed so much? It's a big problem in a case like this. And there's also the question of the change in the outcry witnesses and the very odd tweets about Putin. Yeah I wish we had more time. We were a little truncated today because of the press conference but we will continue the store. We have invited ms read on the show. We hope she will accept our invitation. Aaron Hanes Adrian elrod Michelle Goldberg. Sent the money. Thank you all very much and a reminder you can hear more from Joe Biden tonight on Politics Nation with whoever now sharpton stay with MSNBC. Hey It's Chris as this week and my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with my friend. Heather mcghee about the book. She's writing about how American racism ends up hurting us. All societies that has a public health system that is highly functioning well coordinated and well resourced are obviously going to do better in a public health crisis and we have resisted that in the richest country on the planet in large part for the past one hundred years because of racism. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribed.

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Trump dissembling, mixed messages hurt U.S. coronavirus response

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Trump dissembling, mixed messages hurt U.S. coronavirus response

"The show we had nine stern on. Msnbc THE president tonight at the White House said about the corona virus. And I quote. It is going to disappear one day it will be like a miracle it will disappear. He then said nobody really knows and while I am sure the president would not say that without having an adequate scientific and factual basis for proclaiming that to the American people. The evidence today does not seem to indicate that the miraculous day when corona virus is going to disappear is upon us at least not yet today the nation of Norway announced its first case of Corona virus. The Netherlands also announced their first case Denmark announced their first case. Estonia announced their first case. Romania announced their first case Ireland announced their first case Nigeria announced. Its first case today. Which makes that. The first case reported in all of sub Saharan Africa Sweden announced five new cases today Italy as of yesterday had announced twelve deaths attributed to the virus today. That number jumped to seventeen deaths in Italy in six hundred fifty cases overall. It's not clear why but the total number of cases in France more than doubled today compared with yesterday Francis now reporting thirty eight cases including a dozen patients who have tested positive in one region north of Paris where they don't know what the initial vector transmission was for those dozen patients also reports that in its latest death from Corona virus. That patient is also somebody for whom they could not track how he got the virus in the first place but he has now died. There's new reasons to worry about the situation in Iran in particular in terms of how this is going to go in the Middle East in Iran. The official death toll as of last night was nineteen as of tonight. It's twenty six but The Guardian newspaper today sites opposition and reformist sources in Iran. As saying the death toll is much higher. More like fifty. Friday prayers were suspended in Iran today. But they have still kept open the Shiite pilgrimage sites in the holy city of Qom which are believed to be a focal point for the Iranian outbreak. Which is of unknown size remarkably among the people who have now tested positive for corona virus in Iran. There are a number of high ranking politicians including several members of parliament. Who HAVE THE VIRUS? The Deputy Minister of Health in Iran has tested positive for virus. Also the vice president of Iran for women and Family Affairs. That is not a job. I knew they had in Iran but the woman who holds that job is herself an immunologist and she reportedly has now tested positive for the Corona Virus Herself World Health Organization officials warned today that the death rate in Iran thus far casts doubt on what Iran has announced in terms of its total number of cases. If they've already got twenty six deaths already let alone potentially twice that number the total number of cases the total number of people infected in Iran. Almost must be much larger than what? Iran is admitting to or potentially to what they know. I mean. What do they know? What are they doing for testing one of the things? We're starting to recognize around the world that as testing rates increase the reported number of cases increase to make sense. You can't confirm any of these infections. Unless you're testing for them. Testing protocols and actual tests vary quite widely around the world. We've been reporting over the past few days about the situation in South Korea where they're making a very concerted effort to test tens of thousands and ultimately hundreds of thousands of people yesterday remarkably over the course of one day South Korea's new cases jumped by more than thirty percent more than three hundred new cases were reported yesterday just in one day as they scaled up testing worth three hundred cases yesterday today they reported more than five hundred new cases in South Korea again as they continue to scale up their testing as fast as they can. South Korea is now up to more than two thousand known cases but again more than five hundred of those cases just reported today and the disruption to daily life is scaling. Up as well based on the prevalence of the virus in specific countries but also the waste. Individual countries are deciding to respond to it today. The Japanese government ordered all schools across Japan closed immediately until the end of what is basically spring break for Japanese schools which means that every school in that country is closed effective immediately and will stay closed until maybe early April. I mean it's February. Now imagine if that happened in your family imagine if all the schools in your town shut are all the schools in your state all the schools in your country. All shut on notice closed immediately starting tomorrow and they're not going to be up until April. How would you be able to handle that? In terms of your family responsibilities you work schedules childcare and everything in Iraq. They have also ordered the school shut until March seventh in Kuwait. They have ordered the schools shut until March twelfth. Whether or not you think. That is a reasonable precaution. For these countries to be taking in public health terms just think about the social destruction that entails to everyday families especially because these decisions didn't have a long lead time it's just a effective immediately and shut for a long time to come in addition to the school closures in Iraq Iraq has now banned its citizens from travelling to Iran China Thailand South Korea Singapore Kuwait and Bahrain in Israel. The Health Ministry is advised all Israelis to reconsider the necessity of flying anywhere. If you do not genuinely have to fly do not do so. That's the message to all Israelis from the Israeli Health Ministry and when countries around the world. And we're seeing big businesses. Cancel business travel around the world. When when countries and big businesses large entities like this start making blanket decisions telling people don't travel and we're shutting stuff down. It's easy to see why we're having the kind of financial reactions that we are no having and what appears to be a sort of sustained way. This is an esoteric fear. This is the recognition of real economic impact today. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped one thousand one hundred and ninety two points in one day. That's the largest single day point drop in the Dow ever the Dow has now dropped three thousand two hundred points this week. The S&P Nasdaq and the Dow all had their largest one day point declines ever today in terms of how our country is faring. How we're handling it honestly. I think it has to be. We have to contend with the fact that there is a problem at the top in terms of leadership and clarity and just you know sentient awareness of the basic facts of what is going on around this crisis right now. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear. I don't know if part of the response plan from the. Us government is to try to get the president to stop talking about this matter so that he stops saying fantasy made up untrue. Things like that. It'll disappear one day it'll just disappear. I mean ultimately remarks like that from the president will get in the way of the. Us government being able to communicate real information to the American people that is important for our lives but the president's public remarks on this crisis thus far have just been repeatedly and insistently wrong in a way that is going to be consequential because our lives are going to be affected by the public health response to this crisis and while I have been very comfortable increasingly comfortable ignoring the president's words we have a sort of mantra for the trump administration which is what they do not what they say in the case like this in a public health crisis like this. The president's words are very consequential in themselves and what he's been saying about the corona viruses. Not His usual. Feel free to ignore it bragging making stuff up about his enemies right in the press and all that stuff I mean the president is telling the public things that are not true about the corona virus and specifically about how it is being handled in the United States and this is a problem. The president again tonight says it's only fifteen cases of corona virus in the United States. It is not fifteen cases it is. It is at least sixty cases of corona virus in the United States not fifteen. The president continues to insist that the number of cases is going to drop. It's going to go away. It's going to become near zero. When even his own administration's health officials are saying we need to prepare for the fact that the number of cases in the United States is going to go up. The president is saying the number of cases is going to go to zero. It's going to drop away. It's not it's going to go up. The president is not telling you the truth about that. The president has said that the in the last two days that the corona virus is less lethal has a lower fatality rate. Then the common flu that is quite dramatically mathematically incorrect insisting on that is causing confusion for people who are trying to understand the scale of this problem and how our lives are going to change here and what public health interventions might have to be. I mentioned that part of what we're seeing internationally is that as as countries are scaling up their testing efforts that's allowing them to diagnose more and more cases of corona virus. Well one of the things that makes it important for us to have real information about this crisis from our government as opposed to kind of stuff. President has been saying which is not true. Is that the testing dynamic. Is Very much in flux here in the United States that dynamic? We're seeing another other countries where they're scaling up testing and that's producing large numbers of new reported cases. It's not playing out that way in the United States yet because thus far in the United States access to testing for this virus has been limited. As of today it's being reported that fewer than five hundred people have even been tested for Corona virus in the United States. We've got sixty cases but we've only tested four hundred and forty five people contrast that South Korea which is aiming at testing two hundred thousand people and has tested tens of thousands already. Just look at what's going on in California to get a sense about what might be so troubling about that in terms of our own governments response according to California Governor Gavin newsom today California has thirty three cases of its own. California has more than double the confirmed positive cases than the president admits to for our entire country. There are thirty three confirmed cases in California but according to California Governor Newsom more than eighty four hundred people in California are being monitored as potential cases. More than eight thousand last night we reported on the California case that was the first instance the first known instance somebody being diagnosed in the US with corona virus without any known source for their infection. This is a person who hadn't travelled overseas to China or anyplace else viruses known to be more prevalent. This is a person who is not known to have been in contact with anybody who that who had that kind of overseas travel. Her source of exposure is a mystery northern California woman. We don't have any way to trace how it is that she got infected. She's the first person who's infection in the United States is totally unknown origin. As we reported last night the Centers for Disease Control and California public health officials have started contact tracing for this patient to figure out who she's been in contact with who might have been the source of infection but also who she's been in contact with who she might have infected as well said she has had the virus tonight. We've got significantly more information about that. California case according to California health officials this woman was brought to a community health center in Vacaville California Community Hospital with about fifty rooms. She was brought in by family members when she was feeling ill and not getting better. She stayed at that hospital for several days. While her condition got worse she was having severe increasingly severe pulmonary and respiratory symptoms and the hospital staff at that community hospital decided they needed to transfer her to a facility that was better equipped to handle somebody in that kind of a condition and so they transferred her from the Vaca Valley Community Hospital to UC Davis Medical Center and it was at UC Davis Medical Center. Where she was finally tested for Corona virus and she tested positive well now in the aftermath of this case becoming known and becoming a confirmed positive dozens of staff members at that community hospital where she first appeared have spent several days being monitored for their potential exposure also staff at UC Davis Medical Center. Have been isolated. They're now being monitored for having potentially been exposed so the you know just since she has been in contact with the healthcare system. There's a question of potential additional exposure to health workers. Who helped treat her. Haroon the environment where she was being treated but the question remains as she got it the Community Hospital where this woman I presented is less than ten miles away from Travis. Air Force Base Travis. Air Force Base is one of the military facilities where the trump administration decided to bring Americans supposedly under quarantine conditions. After those Americans evacuated from a cruise ship cruise ship had been to China. Passengers on board were known to have contracted the virus. It was docked at Yokohama in Japan. And just sitting there the. Us government made the decision to evacuate Americans off that cruise ship last week. The Washington Post had dramatic reporting about the chaos inside the trump administration as they were trying to decide what to do exactly with those Americans who were stuck on that cruise ship. One of those Americans had a friend who is a Republican Congressman. Called up his friend. Who was the congressman back? At the attention of the trump administration. They decided to evacuate more than three hundred. Twenty Americans off that cruise ship. Those three hundred and twenty plus Americans were told by the US government that they would be brought home and they would be kept safe in the midst of. Bring them home though. Fourteen of the American passengers themselves tested positive for the corona virus. And so what to do. Because there's more than three hundred of them. Fourteen of tested positive. As the Washington Post described those passengers were essentially left cooling their heels while trump administration officials and public health officials thought about it officials from the Centers for Disease. Control insisted that those fourteen Americans tested positive should not be flown home on the same plane is all of the other Americans who hadn't tested positive. Cdc officials argued that it wasn't safe. It was improper procedure in terms of trying to contain this as a public health threat but the trump administration decided to overrule those. Cdc officials trump administration officials in the State Department and the Department of Health and Human Services. Said no we're going to overrule your concerns. Cdc officials went so far as to insist then that the CDC wouldn't have its name as an agency mentioned that only the press materials discussing the government's decision here because they didn't want to make it seem like the CDC had signed off. What they believed was a terrible and unsafe plan. They explicitly objected to it. Well now the Washington Post New York Times Wall Street Journal. Have all reported on a whistleblower. Complaint filed by an employee at the Department of Health and Human Services and it is a whistleblower complaint that shines a fairly terrifying light on how exactly the Department of Health and Human Services under trump cabinet secretary. Alex as are how they decided to handle this crisis of these infected Americans being evacuated back to the US once the trump administration had decided to disregard the CDC's explicit advice about how to handle those fourteen infected people the State Department and Alex Health and Human Services Department insisted that the CDC was wrong they knew better how to handle those fourteen infected people and so they brought these evacuees to two air force. Bases TO MARCH Air Force Base in Riverside County California and Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield California up near Vacaville. Hhs Corner this whistleblower. Complaint ordered teams of more than a dozen personnel from hhs from something called the administration for children and families inside HHS that they should go into the quarantine zone for evacuees they should greet those American evacuees upon their arrival at those two air force bases. Here's The New York Times described what happened. Based on this whistle blowers complaint quote the staff. Members were sent to Travis Air Force Base in March Air Reserve base and were ordered to enter quarantined areas including a hangar where corona virus evacuees were being received the HHS staff were not provided training or safety protocols without proper training or equipment some of the exposed staff members then moved freely around an off the air bases with at least one person staying in a nearby hotel and then leaving California on a commercial flight. According to the whistle blower quote. I soon began to feel panicked. Calls from my leadership. Team and from deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of communication and coordination concerns with staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment or training or experience in managing public health. Emergencies concerns about safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with. Nobody knows why staffers from this. Particular part of Health and human services were the ones who were assigned to meet with the corona virus evacuees inside the quarantine zone. These are staffers from the administration for children and families. That's not part of the. Us government that responds to public health emergencies. I mean in this administration for reference. These are the people who've been assigned to take custody of the kids who were taken away from their parents at the border by Homeland Security. These are public health emergency. These aren't quarantine staff right. Why did the trump administration send these people into the quarantine zone to meet with the evacuees with no personal protective equipment with no training as to how to prevent themselves from becoming exposed or infected? Why did they send these people to go? Meet with the Americans who had tested positive for virus and then after doing so. They sent those same staffers out into hotels and onto commercial aircraft and back into the surrounding communities and ultimately back into their offices at HHS around the country. Did you designed this to try to spread this thing around the country? I mean you're the health and Human Services Department. You're the one who insisted you knew how to do this better than the CDC. You explicitly overruled them on this. And then this is how you handled it but the times and the post reporting tonight that even today there are these two dozen plus. Hhs staffers who were put in this position who were not trained or not giving equipment not told how to make them self say they were just sent back to their offices after they had this contact with the evacuees and to this day they have still not been tested. They haven't been put an isolation they haven't been told to take their temperature. The trump administration just sent them to go meet face to face with the people who had been evacuated because of Corona virus and then they dispersed those staffers around the country this woman who was at UC Davis Medical Center apparently fighting for her life. She's the first case in the United States. Where somebody who definitely has the infection. But they haven't been able to trace where she got it from. California Governor Gavin Newsom said today that all of this woman is from Solano County which is where Travis Air Force Base is. She has no connection whatsoever to Travis. Air Force Base but that airbase is in her community and the trump administration according to this whistleblower complaint did send federal staffers onto that base to meet with quarantined exposed person exposed percents and then let them wander off including into that community and so now here. We are trump secretary. Alex as our is in charge of the department that made that decision about how to initially handle those Americans who were brought here overseas objections. Alex is the one who sent those untrained unprotected staff members from his own agency to go deal with the evacuees that's who president trump has put in charge of the Corona Virus Task Force for the US government now which means he might be in charge of the US government response to Corona virus. But it's possible that is also vice president Mike Pence who is in charge. It's not entirely clear. It's also possible that the person who's in charge is a respected public health. Professional named Debbie. Burks who used to be in charge of US global HIV and AIDS concerns. Mike Pence named her today as coordinating the White House Corona Virus Response While. He says that he is leading it but he also says that secretary as our is sharing the task force response. I don't I don't know seems like they're all working on their titles. I'm not sure who's actually running. It seemed to be a few different people in charge. Is the testing situation. Likely to get fixed. Is this an basically unapproachable problem? Let alone uncontainable problem. If a state with forty million people in California today it has two hundred test kits Solano County itself has declared an emergency in response to the situation officials there tonight brief press. They said they are going. They said in their briefing tonight that quote. We need to start to prepare for the fact that we are going to see community transmission in the United States. We have got to prepare for what we are going to do to protect ourselves when it's here those local officials in CDC officials with them basically breath of fresh air on this point in terms of the straightforwardness with with their approaching it. It's not being shared at the federal level by the officials who are supposedly running this thing. Joining us now is Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. Former Obama White House health policy advisor. He's the vice provost of Global Initiative at the University of Pennsylvania Dr Menu. It's a pleasure to have you here. Thanks for making time tonight. Nice to back so the first of all tell me if I got any of that wrong or if it seems like I'm looking at any of this backwards I would be very happy to have you. Correct me on any of that stuff. I would just emphasize two important points. One is there's a lot of unknowns. Here we really you know. There's a brand new virus. We don't know how how it's spreading we do know that it spreads and that it has a sort of between two and three people get it from each infected person We really don't know it's death rate Because we don't have enough cases but I think you know in general you've got the story right and I think we do need as you said a coordinated science based response to this problem and we need to be very well prepared. You know God willing. It won't be a big problem but as we say in medicine you prepare for the worst hope for the best in terms of knowing the number of cases finding that the testing situation to be increasingly hard to get my arms around. I mean how is it that South Korea has tested tens of thousands of people and we've apparently tested less than four hundred and fifty. It would seem like testing is an important part of trying to get a grasp on the scale of the problem. And what needs to be done? How come we can't scale up our testing well? One of the problems is that every hospital or public health community has to go back to the CDC to tack to get a test kit. That seems like a mistake. Especially now that we know there's community passage of this and many eysenck thematic people are passing it so we have to have a high index of suspicion right from the start. Even if someone's symptomatic and I think you're right. We need to see tens of thousands of tests being done in this country if anything Just prevent further spread. We're not going to contain this. It probably as the California case suggests has broken out But we do need mitigating responses to this problem into try to reduce or isolate people who Do test positive. What do you think we should expect in terms of timeframe for that kind of scaling up that you're talking about if that is key to trying to figure out how to mitigate the impact of this uncontainable virus in terms of its spread? How how fast could we be the level? We've got ten thousand kids. Tens of thousands of kids out there. And they can do it. And all the states where they've got prevalent. Well I I mean you know if you have a whirlwind personality who was running this. That's one step that they would take another step is getting all the state health officials together and talking about them and making sure everyone knows what the federal government is doing and what the states are doing and ensuring that. There's close collaboration. You would make sure that we have enough per personal protective equipment. The P. Out there in all the hospitals and throughout the country would make sure that our drug supply is secure since materials come from China. And the generics come from China. And that's you have to get on that. I mean there's a very long list that you need to do. I'd say the other thing we need to prepare for and China made quite clear that it could threaten us. Hopefully it is surgeon. The hospitals if a lot of people get infected. We may begin to overwhelm our hospitals. We have less than a million beds in the United States in all hospitals. What's the surge capacity? How are we going to respond? If we have a large number of people we still have people who have other conditions whether it's cancer or need surgery So we have to be able to handle that surge and that needs a plan as well and you know taking care of the United States is only so good. We have to make sure that the world has inadequate response to so we need to partner with the whol and other organizations in addressing mess. So there's a there's a list that which is where you would start if you were taking over this and really pushing it forward. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel Senior White House Health Policy Advisor in the Obama Administration. Now Vice Provost at U. Penn Sir. Thanks for your time. It's good to see you thank you. That was helpful. It is helpful. It's a good list. I'm taking notes. We all are I have. I wish I had more confidence that the White House they were also taking notes writing this stuff down. Maple send him a transcript. We'll be right back. Hi everyone it's mainly. 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See how the food industry is stepping up to help people on their road to recovery on the next episode of. What's eating America Sunday at nine pm? Eastern only on MSNBC was a bird flu outbreak in two thousand and five and afterwards the George W Bush administration launched a new program called predict. The idea was to try to discover new diseases that could be spread from animals to humans. Bird Flu. Sars murders this new strain of the CORONA VIRUS. That is the cause of this current crisis. They're all believed to have come from animals before they started making people sick. The idea with predict was to try to predict and prevent the next pandemic or at least better help understand these types of diseases to understand it ahead of time if it was eventually going to hit that program collected more than one hundred thousand samples documented more than a thousand new viruses including a new strain of. Ebola was a huge success running for a full decade until the trump administration cut off funding for the predict program. Late last year. They shut the whole thing down. The trump administration also this past year. Shut down the entire global health security and bio threat infrastructure that had been specifically built up by the Obama Administration particularly after that Administration successful response to the twenty fourteen. Ebola outbreak response was headed up in the Obama administration at President Obama's direction by top aide to Vice President Biden named Ron. Clain joining us. Now is Ron Kline was chosen. By president. Obama to that goal response. He was chief of staff to Vice President. Al Gore and Vice President Joe Biden. Mr Claims Great to have you here. Thank you thanks for having me. Rachel at some point. I'm going to get you here at the desk with me in New York and we are going to have a long talk about how this is all supposed to go but tonight let me just ask you point blank if you are worried about how the trump administration is handling this crisis thus far of course I am. I mean I think anything that could be done wrong. Probably has been done wrong. That starts with the president himself continuing to make inaccurate statements. Inaccurate statements about the consequences of the policies adopted an accurate statements about the pace vaccine development about the likely spread of the disease in the United States and you couple that with the announcement today the Implementation Day a decision to silence our senior public health officials. People like Tony Choose Seven. Us presidents won. The Presidential Medal of freedom is the world's leading expert infectious diseases ordered by the White House today to stop briefing the public. So you have a bunch of bad decisions by the President Effort to silence the people who can give the public the straight information. That's very bad. Combination in terms of those sort of dual problems that you were just describing there obviously in a real response real and responsible response to this crisis you do want coordinated messaging. You do want a united front you do want the United States government speaking clearly and with authority and saying true things you want somebody like Tony Voucher Voucher briefing. The public in terms of the public health threat here with the president repeatedly saying things that are not true. Does it make sense to? Have somebody trying to coordinate messaging. I mean do you have to have somebody rebutting the president and saying no? We're not going to have a shot for this real soon. No there aren't only fifteen cases. We're not going to zero cases. I mean I. I don't have too much sympathy with vice president. Mike Pence being in charge of this. But if I were him I would have no idea how to coordinate. Us GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATIONS. Around this with the guy at the top. Saying the things that he's saying we think at this stage in the game. Anyone who believes the president trump says kind of gets what? They deserve the challenges. Is there a place where people can get reliable information and that is our public? Health officials are nonpartisan public. Health officials. People Doc Vouch people like Dr Xu. Kadett CDC who was in the room last night as well and so when I was running the ball response. We made a decision that I would be behind the scenes I coordinated with the team our policy implementation the effort to deploy people west Africa the effort to get our hospitals ready here at home and we had people like Dr Faucher like Dr Tom. Freidan then the head of CDC be the public spokespeople. The American people don't need to hear from Donald Trump or mike pence about the corona virus. They need to hear from the experts who know the facts who know what's happening but vice president pence should be doing or whoever else is brought into work on. This should be speeding up our response. Our response is too slow. We are not getting hospitals ready. We're not getting testing kits deployed. We are not doing the double time work. We should be doing to be getting ready for the inevitable. Ron Klein head of the US response to the Ebola crisis during the Obama administration again. I'm going to get you here and I'm going to grill you for a long time about how to be done. Thanks for joining us to get it. All right. Got A lot more to get to tonight. Stay with hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast. Why is this happening? I'll talking with quick senior legal writer at sleep about whether or not the courts will save us. When does it go so far? That it breaks. I think that as worried as I am about. That wind is the judiciary get so corrupted that it's broken. I think John Roberts lies awake at night asking himself. The same question this week on wise's happening search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. One of the members of the jury was sick. One was traveling out of the country but pretty much all the rest of them showed up. They didn't have to. It was totally voluntary. But the person that they the jury had voted to convict the president's longtime adviser Roger Stone as well as the president himself they were making wild public allegations against the jury specifically against the forewoman of the jury from the Roger Stone trial saying she was biased and bad. And that's the only reason. Roger Stone was convicted and he should therefore have his conviction thrown out in a hearing over whether or not Roger Stone would get a new trial because of these allegations of bias in the jury the judge asked members of the jury if they would be willing to return to court so they could answer questions about this alleged bias and they all did and in this remarkable scene under supervision by the judge in coordination with lawyers for both sides. Two of the jurors were brought in brought back into court to answer questions about what had happened when they were hearing Roger. Stone's case the judge did the foreperson encourage civility and respect among the jurors juror. She the judge was every juror invited or permitted to speak up concerning his or her views. Juror Eh. Yes absolutely judge. What concerns did you have if any about whether the foreperson was attempting to impose her views on others or dominator? Control the outcome. In any way answer. I never had any feeling that she was attempting any of that. The judge was anyone voice for taking your time or being. Sure to apply the presumption of innocence and hold the government to its burden of proof. Answer I would say that several people were including the forewoman that was juror then we had juror B who went further the judge that you have any concerns at the time at the time you rendered your verdict about whether you in the jury had had engaged in a full and fair consideration of the evidence. We had a problem with well. I don't know how to say this. We all agreed on. Most of us agreed on our answer. We already said that he was guilty but it was the woman. I don't know whether I can say that but it was. It was the forewoman who insisted that we examined question. Three examined charge three a little more. The judge okay. There was account that you sent out some notes about. Is that the one that the foreperson asks you to be more careful. Juror B. Yes that's the one. We need to do. Examine that a little more. And read the transcript. Find out more evidence the judge so it was the four person who insisted that that level of attention be paid to that count. Even though some of you were already ready to decide answer. Yes the jurors coming in to defend the foreperson of the jury who is being attacked on the Fox News Channel. Who's being attacked by the president of the United States? And who's being attacked by the defendant in that case personally attacked as being some sort of bad and biased person that has resulted in Roger Stone's unanimous conviction by jury. Jury duty is a pain. It's a civic responsibility. I know but it's a pain in this case though with the president of the United States personally attacking members of the jury. We're now at the point of asking for basically heroic patriotism on the part of these jurors. We never asked for any of this. Who are just normal everyday citizens who are doing their civic duty by saying yes and turning up for jury duty stepping forward to rebut the attacks on this jury that are coming from the sitting president of the United States. It's remarkable that the president has put us in this situation that it is also remarkable that this jury has stepped up to defend itself and defend each other in the way that they have and one of those jurors is GonNa join us. Live here in studio next. This is from Juror number three. He says quote. Our foreperson oversaw a rigorous process slowing down on several occasions and advocating for the rights of the defendant. Roger Stone received a fair trial he was found guilty based on the evidence by jury that respected his rights and viewed. The government's claims skeptically our jury valued truth plain and simple. Us District Judge. Amy Berman Jackson echoed the sentiment last week while sentencing. Mr Stone saying quote the truth still exists. The truth still matters. When the president attacks our juries foreperson he's effectively attacking every American who takes time off work arranges childcare and otherwise disrupts their life temporarily to participate in this CIVIC DUTY. His attacks denigrate both our service and the concept of equal justice under US law. That's an op-ed that just recently ran in the Washington Post from seth cousins who served as Juror number three in the Roger Stone trial. Mr Cousins joins US live here in studio now sir. Thanks very much for being here. I appreciate it thanks rich. I imagine what what you've been through. It probably was not an easy decision to decide to talk about this. I wrote the first op Ed back in November shortly after the trial had had concluded I felt like it was important to to put a voice out there about the process that we'd followed about how seriously we taken. Roger Stone's writes in the process. At the time I felt like just my words would be enough and it seemed like they were for a while But then over the last three weeks or so seeing the attacks come in on the jury on the process on the forewoman coming even from the president of the United States. As as you've noted and many people have noted repeatedly attacking her Just felt like someone needed to use this week up a little bit. It's remarkable to see both in you. You being public about this but also in hearing this week that the judge contacted members of the jury had the court contact members of the jury. Basically invite you to return to court but it was totally voluntary. You didn't all have to do it. It was it was voluntary. We didn't have to do it. there were a couple of people who are traveling for work. There were a couple people who expressed. They weren't going to be comfortable testifying so absolutely voluntary appearance and then to jurors juror a and Juror B were questioned by the judge effectively about what the process had been about these allegations of bias. Can I ask you if you were? You're a you're jury. Was that an intimidating process itself. It was a fascinating process. Rachel this whole thing has been I mean. I never imagined that this this has happened. I first time I've ever served on a jury going to be okay so I have heard it was. It was a little bit intimidating. I I will say that Judge Jackson has very firm control over her courtroom run and a very sort of fair approach to the process. So I certainly didn't feel nervous with her asking me questions and answering honestly the question she had want to ask you a little bit more about what it's been like to have the president himself personally waiting to this process which. I imagine ads both the reality of it. But also sort of stakes gonNA take a quick break and we'll be right back or South cousins was juror number three in the Roger Stone Trial. The president and the stone defense have been attacking jury including in personal terms Since Mr Stone was convicted and sentenced we'll be right back with cousins after this joining us. Once again seth cousins he served on the Roger Stone trial as juror number three and has written two pieces for the Washington Post reflecting on that service and talking about his pride and how the jury conducted itself. That's become all the more remarkable and newsworthy. Since the president himself has started attacking the jury along with some of the president's allies in the conservative media thanks again You wrote with a lot of pride and a lot of sort of patriotic. I found it very moving love. It's feeling about what it meant to go through this process with your fellow jurors you didn't know any of these people before totally diverse group From all sorts of different walks of life who nevertheless came together and took this very seriously. And we're very proud of the way that you approach this. How does that? How has not clashed with the way that conservative media and the president have attacked? You guys sure well. I think the attacks are frankly appalling. I just I don't think that I don't think that the president or elected officials or frankly the press have a have a place to be attacking jury service and the idea of jury service. Church services is core to our court our justice system and to the administration of Justice. Right it's written into the constitution. It goes way back to common law before that I hadn't thought much about jury service before I was on this this panel and I've had the chance to think about it a bunch since then and it has it has led me to understand how important jury service is what a sacrifice even though it may just be temporary a few day inconvenience but the sacrifice that every American citizen makes when they report for jury duty when they answer the summons and the critical piece that they're playing and in upholding justice system Protecting the rights of citizens were accused of crimes Do you think the kinds of attacks on you and four percent of your jury in particular are designed to sue either change jury verdicts or to make people too afraid or too shy about putting themselves about doing this civic duty and about participating in it are you worried about i. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they are designed to make people afraid of serving on juries that maybe maybe judging Other people in trump circle in the future I I don't know if they're designed to attack the basic idea of jury service and turn people away from that but I fear that they actually have that effect cousins again. You you have every right to keep yourself completely anonymous and not talk to the members of the press and the public about this but you doing so I think has really given us a super important window into what this was like and an way to appreciate. How much does it stay with these attacks on you guys? Thanks for doing this. I appreciate Patriot drinks. I'm honored to do it. We'll be right back. Stay with us by the time. President trump held his corona virus. Press Conference yesterday the Stock Market. It closed after a fifth straight day of deep decline. The president told everybody that it was just so little hiccup nothing to worry about while he was saying that the futures market the part of the market where traders bet on what the situation will be when the market opens the next morning the futures market was saying something very different and that futures market predicted more losses. It turned out to be right. Today was another terrible day for the Dow tanked again for the sixth straight day today. Close twelve hundred points lower than it opened tonight. The futures market hasn't gotten any rosier. Here's a look at where. The futures market is leaning right now. Predicting more losses tomorrow see the implied. Open column there. Meanwhile markets opened in Asia few hours ago stocks. There are once again on the decline. Japan's Nikkei index has dropped over three percents already. Buckle up watch this space. It does oppressed tonight. We will see again tomorrow. The show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC.

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So they know our show sent you from simply safe and all of us here at our show wishing you safety and good health. What did you do when you became president to restock those cupboards? That you say were bare. Well I'll be honest. I have a lot of things going on We had a lot of People that refused to allow the country to be successful They wasted a Lotta time on Russia. Russia Russia that turned out to be a total hoax then they did Ukraine Ukraine and that was a total hoax then day impeach the president of the United States for absolutely no reason and we even had one hundred ninety seven to nothing vote by the Republicans president trump's reason for not refilling but he claims was an inherited empty national stockpile for emergency use president by the way for three and a half. He has a lot of things going on. That was his answer. Incidentally politic fact rates trump blaming the Obama administration for lack of national emergency supplies as mostly false. That interview took place in the Honeywell factory. That makes n ninety five masks which the president toured without wearing a mask himself and no one around him was allowed to wear them either. Maybe they chose on their own. I doubt it despite company protocols and to sign saying that everyone is required to wear a mask and also playing in the background. Live and let die that Song Terrific. Good morning and welcome to morning Joe. It is Wednesday may sixth along with Joe Willie and me. We have White House reporter for the associated. Press Jonathan the mirror and former White House advisor for health policy professor and vice. Provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. He's an NBC News and MSNBC Senior Medical Contributor. Good to have you all on board and Joe the US death toll from viruses now topping seventy one thousand as president trump continues his push to reopen the country. Nbc News has learned that over the coming weeks. The White House plans to wind down the Corona Virus Task Force a move that comes as the virus continues to spread rampantly in parts of hundreds of president. Can't speak the task force anymore without being hurt? I mean I. It's it's all because he's being hurt politically at this press conference. If he can't talk for hours he doesn't want Dr Fallacy or Dr Burks to talk and educate there's more bad news coming in places like New York City in Chicago. New Hot spots are countering the progress also New Orleans. We'll get to all of that in just a moment but this virus does not getting better. It's getting better in those hotspots. Unfortunately it's getting worse across the country and just think about it if you want to know how erratic this president is is thinking how he's he's in a way that shows he's unmortgaged from reality thing about the fact that will yes. Of course he's going around and he's not wearing a mask when everybody's supposed to be wearing masks. That's that's a small thing. Think about the fact that he sets out guidelines. Yeah that that the doctor help put together. And then he immediately tries to get people to break his own guidelines and he's talking about stopping the Corona Virus Task Force at a time win. Deaths go over seventy thousand. Think about this. We've just gone over seventy thousand deaths in America. Seventy thousand deaths. You know a week ago. We hadn't got sixty thousand deaths. Ten thousand people died in one week in the past week. More people have died than died on nine. Eleven died in Iraq. War died in Afghanistan. Ghanistan war over nineteen years all combined just in the past seven days. That's from sixty thousand seventy thousand thinking about before that we got from fifty thousand deaths to sixty thousand deaths in five days and the CDC rights the White House. Ah draft a few days ago. They get this weekend. Using trump administration numbers using the administration numbers. They warned the president. They warned the White House where we heard this before the White House gets a warning. They warned the White House that the number of daily deaths are going to get double between now and June the first and the White House dismisses they dismissed the warning back in late January from White House officials that this could end up killing five hundred thousand Americans and yet what happened. The next month the president went out go to rallies tell people it was a hoax. Well let me let me just tell you the president can talk to David Muir. He can try to blame the Democrats but what he can't do. He can't do is excused what he's done over the past several months when he should have known better and what he's doing right now. I I saw the New York Daily News Conservative as he cup wrote that the president is not well reading from piece. She said if this were your child. You intervene as quickly as you could. And you would getting them the help they clearly needed likewise if your friend or acting this way you might suggest go see a therapist to work through some of their anger issues. If this were your co worker. You'd probably I think that I think that's actually gracious. You would alert someone in human resources. And what if this were the president of the United States? Acting this radically not only. Are these behaviors the norm for president trump but they seem to have worsened at the most precarious and critical time that our country faces since World War Two as we face a global pandemic. That's killed over seventy thousand Americans less than two weeks after unimaginably suggesting infecting disinfectants might kill off the corona virus. The past few days have seen Donald Trump's viral out of control as he cup continues to write. He's proved himself. Utterly incapable of staying focused on the biggest crisis of president can face. What's he done instead? He spread unfounded conspiracy theories about the origins of the corona virus about former president Barack Obama about an MSNBC cable news host. How much lower can you go if you're worried about me? What else has he done? Se Cup says he's made statements can only be described as delusional like comparing himself. To Abraham Lincoln inventing a non existent letter of apology from Joe Biden and spewing non science about his favorite drug. It's his obsession. Hydroxy chloroquine attacking to female reporters doing their jobs lamenting that they don't behave like read. The actress anonymous with gender role abiding kitchen dwelling nine thousand nine hundred fifty s housewife played on television. More than sixty years ago. He attacked another female cable. News host calling her a third rate dog and in the middle of the night just a couple of days ago at twelve forty five. Am He went on a two hundred thirty? Four word rant on twitter complaining about an ad released by Republican anti-trump Group whose leaders include George Conway of course husband of staffer Kellyanne in which Donald Trump use words like deranged loser of a husband and moon face to describe him. Yes Donald Trump talking about. Somebody else's wait. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think is Alanis Morissette? Might ask me not as he cup. As he concludes work saying it's frightening commentary on the slow normalization of this completely abnormal behavior. That we can greet the undeniable deterioration of the president of the United States with Mir shrugs and the only concerns from his inner circle seem not to be about the middle instability itself but the political ramifications of it being exposed in daily Press Briefings Se Cup New York. Daily News. Shave really did a good job with that really crystallizing why this normalization of the presence behavior is now making people unsafe and really give somebody were doing this in real time even not in a pandemic if they were your child if they were your parents if they were your grandparents set your company if they were a coworker if they were a football coach for your children they were a baseman. You would be worried and and you would take action and yet the Republicans. Just sit quietly by now. We're up to seventy thousand deaths. The president's disbanding the coronavirus task force. And he's actually pressuring governors and business owners to actually not follow his guidelines and now he's freaking out about an ad that Republicans did a baptist Christian who's voted. Republican is entire life Ben How who helped put this ad together with some people bunch of Republicans concerned about how Donald Trump is handling this pandemic. And this is. What's what's freaking him out so much. Let's let's play. Let's play this ad that that's made. The president of the United States get worse today more than sixty thousand Americans have died from a deadly virus. Donald TRUMP ignored with the economy in shambles. More than twenty six million. Americans are out of work. The worst economy in decades trump bailed out Wall Street but not main street this afternoon. Millions of Americans will apply for employment with their savings. Run out many are giving up hope. Millions worry that a loved one won't survive covert nineteen. There's morning in America and under the leadership. Donald trump our country's weaker and sicker and poor. Americans are asking if we have another four years like this. Will there even be an America for the project which is responsible for the content of this advertising? Willie allowed to digest there from ESI COBB and also that ad fact check true on just everything I saw there but the president is getting. We've been saying it for three years now. The president is getting worse. I like to also point out. There WILL BE IN AMERICA WHENEVER PRESIDENT. Trump leaves leaves office. So that's note in that one ad. Yeah look I mean. Yesterday we saw a president who was ready to turn the page who realizes that this pandemic that's killed seventy one thousand people infected more than a million Americans is getting in the way of his presidency is he says. I created the greatest economy in the history of the country. Not True that he wants to move on. He wouldn't wear the mask. That's a signal that it's okay not to wear the mask they're gonNA stop meeting for the task force that slowly going to go away because they feel like they've crossed the threshold and he said out loud yesterday in an interview with ABC. There will be more deaths but with or without a vaccine. It's going to pass. He says it's going to pass Dr Emmanuel. We know why president trump wants to move past. It's it's hurting him politically. It's obviously cratering the economy. He thinks it's going to hurt his chance to be reelected but when he does all these things and when he says all these things and when he talks about that it's going to pass he is of course defying not. Just doctors like you public health experts like you but the people on his task force who were advising him and so then it becomes up to Dr To Go and do an interview at night and politely contradict everything. The president has said during the day but obviously yesterday really crystallized the president ready to turn the page despite the medicine despite the public health. Yeah I think the real worry Certainly in the public health community is that we're going to have wave to wave three you're going to have a premature loosening and also unregulated loosening up the public health measures that we've put in place. No large gatherings physical distancing the wearing of the mass that have made a difference. I mean we have a plateau unfortunate fact this that plateau is not really going down at a accelerated rate which you would hope you would expect with. They weren't new infections. And you can see from the map that you put up. There are places where it's getting to be a real serious concern Minnesota Nebraska part of the heartland of the president. You know I'm not. I'm not a political brothers. I like to say but I did study political science. Any President who had twenty percent unemployment thirty three million people who are out of work we would be writing. This elect that person off just think of Herbert Hoover during the depression was a blowout election and I think that has to be really worrying. The president a lot on the other hand ignoring the public health is not going to get the economy going. We have a lot of polls and we also have a lot of empirical data on behaviors. That show that people are afraid to go out because of the health concerns. And you can open up all the stores but if people are afraid they're not gonna go to the stores and it's hard to see how we're going to assuage people unless we have good enforcement of the public health measures. You have some therapy preventative. Medication or vaccine and those are simply going to take time. There's no way of rushing. I mean we're doing everything we can to rush them. Everyone keeps saying if we get a vaccine in twelve to eighteen months. That's to be record time by a lot and yet We have to wait that long. That doesn't mean the economy is frozen. We can do certain things and lots of experts like me have said you know. Let's protect very vulnerable those with coordination the elderly and we can slowly open up some parts of the economy. But you can't do it higgledy-piggledy you have to do it in an from pay and I think the president is trying to get past that well but you can't get past that you could add testing to that vaccine clearly but with testing one person especially on the science or on the political level that says using the EPA the defense production act to streamline testing would not help testing get to the American people faster. Everyone believes that would and this president refuses to use all of his power to get to testing you have to ask. Republicans one is not okay that he's negligent that he doesn't do enough one. Is it not okay? This move to disband. The task force and reopen states comes as the virus continues to spread rampantly in parts of the country. The New York Times is out with a new piece detailing how new hot spots are countering. The progress made in places like New York City Chicago and New Orleans. The Times made this chart showing the curve in the New York Metro area. Compared to the rest of the country New York is trending downward while the rest of the country is trending upward for example Dallas County. Yesterday reported its third straight day of record cases on the same day. The Governor of Texas announced a new wave of openings salons barbershops on Friday gyms and manufacturing plants in less than two weeks the times notes the following the country is still in the firm grip of a pandemic with little hope of release for every indication of improvement in controlling. The virus. New outbreaks have emerged elsewhere. Leaving the nation's stuck in a steady unrelenting march of deaths and infections rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus it is rampaging through nursing homes meat packing plants and prisons killing the medically vulnerable and poor and new outbreaks. Keep emerging in grocery stores walmarts or factories and ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring and here. Is the president yesterday discussing the sacrifices? He's willing to make yes. Some people be affected. Yes will some people be affected badly? Yes but we have to get our country open and we have to get it open soon. Do you believe that's the reality? We're facing that. That lives will be lost to reopen the country. It's possible there will be some because you won't be locked into an apartment or House or whatever it is but at the same time we're going to practice social distancing. We'RE GONNA BE WASHING hands. We're going to be doing a lot of the things that we've learned to do over the last period of time and we have to get our country back viewing our great citizens of this country to a certain extent and to a large extent as warriors the warriors we keep our country. We have to open our country. Judge demere clearly in the White House and for anybody who is worried about the impact of this pandemic. The economy needing to Ryoko is clearly urgent. I mean this is an economic catastrophe that is clear. Nobody denies that but without testing and without using all the powers of the presidency to get their history. Is anyone in the White House telling this president history will remember him as a president who did not do enough. It's an economic catastrophe. One that could be overshadowed by the public health catastrophes if the nation reopens too quickly again. Mika and what we're seeing from this president and this White House in the last couple of days is an effort to simulate almost will this pandemic out of existence. Try just move forward but not to do so safely without the widespread testing and there are voices who are to business leaders. Some influential allies of the president who are urging him to slow down but right now. Those voices are being ignored. You mentioned near time studying. My colleagues Associated Press did a similar one yesterday looking at the data. That suggested that if you were to remove the drop in cases in the New York City Metro Area. Just remove that from the overall numbers. You'll see the rest of the nation is still rising and there are hotspots growing in places that will not be as well equipped to handle so many sick patients like New York City with all of its hospitals. Were able to do so. There's also of course the concern of some flare ups in some of the big cities as the weather gets better and more people are willing to venture outside and perhaps be a little careless with some of their social distancing. We saw the President. Yesterday refused to wear a mask part of his effort to project confidence. You know at that Arizona Mask Factory. It should be noted but it also we need to be clear about something he can project those images around the will be on cable in the newspapers of not wearing a mask of not being sixty apart from some aides but those in the White House exists in sort of the bubble of unreality. They're being tested every day. If you're if you're in the White House and you're having contact with the president you you're having those fifteen minute tests to make sure you do not have the corona virus. Of course the rest of the nation still can't get those the rest of the nation isn't able to have that sense of confidence when they try to make those tentative steps back into the workplace and right now you heard the president that interview you heard him of state plainly that he understands there will be more people. Getting sick there will be more people dying right now. This White House is focused on the Economics. The Economic Crisis of this and they want to move forward. They're terrified of the jobs numbers of coming out later this week. They're concerned about the unemployment rate. They feel like they need to try to push. Pass this including making promises about a vaccine that the health public health experts say or twelve to eighteen months away. The president is now taken to say without proof. It could be out by the end of the year. The White House wants to move on. But it's Jonathan points out. The American public isn't quite ready. A majority of Americans say they are concerned they're states will begin lifting stay at home restrictions too soon. According to a new monmouth university poll sixty three percent of Americans say states are moving to reopen too quickly. During the Corona Virus Pandemic Twenty nine percent say states are not moving quickly enough fifty percent say preventing more people from getting sick should be the more important factor in lifting restrictions while thirty three percent. Say it should be preventing an economic downturn forty-nine percent of independence eighty percent of Democrats say health concern should be the presiding factor in deciding to reopen fifty four percent of Republicans. Say the economy should matter more and a majority of Americans say they do not support states opening some businesses according to a new Washington Post University of Maryland. Poll that we first told you about yesterday. Here those numbers two percent say movie theaters should not reopened seventy eight percents. Jim should remain. Closed seventy four percent believe nail salons and dine in restaurants should not open their doors. Seventy percent want gun stores to remain closed and sixty nine percent say that barbershops and hair salons should not reopen so Dr Emmanuel. You have their evidence from the American people again. Not Just Democrats not just progresses but Americans are concerned that going back to quickly means that more people will get sick there. Obviously everything that's in. The background is about the economy. The terrible unemployment numbers. We'll get another one tomorrow. Around this time. You have the economic growth slowing the second quarter. Numbers will be terrible. Everyone knows that everyone wants to get back to work but it appears even if the president is in the American people are listening to the doctors on this. Yeah it is remarkable and again. A lot of studies have shown that the American people began physical. Distancing began staying at home well before the shelter in place. Orders were put in place in most states and even in states. That didn't put them in place. Americans began physical. Distancing began reducing their travel and interaction with people so the American public has been listening to this and responding. I would note that the opening of things like hair salons barbershops gyms goes against the president's own opening plan phase. One does not include opening those kind of facilities and yet we can see in Texas Governor Abbott and other places that the rushing to open the kind of businesses that even the president's own plan says should be open later only after you have a decline and by the way that plan has certain metrics report. Mexico's a decline in the number of cases for fourteen days. And that's clearly wasn't the case in Georgia. Not the case in Texas and around the country in most places is not going to be the case so we have this disconnect between what public health requires and the economy and I would say to those governors who and the president who keeps saying. We've got to reopen the economy. You can reopen businesses but unless you have demand must customers are coming unless the American public is willing to shop. You're not going to have much economic activity and yet gonNA compromise the public health benefits of keeping people at home and physical distancing. Just with a few people going out that contradiction is going. Make it harder to recover and make it much more likely. We're going to have a second very severe way coming either at the end of the summer or in the fall and I think that's what public health officials are worried about. Zeke Emanuel. Thank you very much. A fundamental problem focused purely on the leadership over this. Thank you can still ahead on morning. Joe The mayor of New York City Bill de Blasio is our guest but first Wall Street rallies even as the death toll mounts is the White House focused on one over the other. Nbc's Stephanie Rule Joins US next with more on that plus NBC's Julia Ainsley with her new reporting on law enforcement officials in the US and the UK concern of malicious cyber campaigns that are targeting hospitals and medical institutions. We'll be right back. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America in our latest episode. 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Economists are predicting sixteen percent unemployment for the month of April twenty two million perhaps jobs lost in April. Do you think those numbers are about right. Kevin I'm a little bit above those. I guess right now is that it's going to be North. Sixteen percent maybe as high as nineteen or twenty one sentence so we are looking at probably the worst unemployment rate since the Great Depression. Wow that was white. House Economic Adviser Kevin Hassett to on an unemployment rate projections for this Friday's jobs report but despite these massive numbers this morning's Wall Street this morning Wall Street is set for a third straight day in positive territory. Joe questioned the market gains on twitter writing quote the bizarre machen nations of Wall Street are dizzying from day to day but the market sitting at twenty four thousand makes no sense right now to me. Eighteen thousand maybe too many questions. Lingering about infections death count's reopenings and failed leadership. Nbc Stephanie Rule Says The Wall Street gains are not only bizarre. They are worrisome. And she joins US now Steph. Why should we worry that the markets are doing so well? Why isn't that good news? It is good news that the markets are doing well. It's good news for investors. But we're it's worrisome. Is this idea that the markets represent the economy and we can say all day long. Oh well we know that they don't but the president absolutely loves the green markets. And what happens when he uses green on the screen as green light signal that the economy is a okay. When the truth is the real economy at this moment couldn't be further from the truth. Willey said it just before the break you've got over thirty million people in the last week going on employment. We know the unemployment number coming. This week will likely be in the double digits and while Yes. This White House wants to push to reopen just reopening. Doesn't say we're going to get back to normal. Look with those markets doing well in America reopening. We're doing a okay. The reason that's a huge risk is what if that becomes our government's reason to say well we can turn off the spigot to help out economically because the numbers of this virus are only increasing across the country. And in places where you don't have the medical support and facilities like you do in places where it was already hit. So if we these positive economic numbers from the market and say we're doing fine. It's going to put us in an even worse situation that you've been all over this story. The paycheck protection program. That's supposed to get billions and billions of dollars to small businesses to let them ride out however long this goes on and hopefully keep their employees and save their businesses. Is that money now. Even with that big second wave that was passed through Congress. Is it getting into the small? Businesses is doing the it was intended to do. It's getting those businesses. So that's okay. It's a band aid but this is a giant gaping bullet hole. Think about those small businesses that are now opening right. They're only going to get payroll for two months and they're going to need significantly more money than that earlier this week. Mark Benny off. He's the CEO of salesforce. Said the money from the cares act. P P P. We'll take it that's good. That's just phase. One businesses in America are going to need significantly more money from the government in order to reopen thing. About all that we're going to need. Willie think about the images of. How are you going to reconfigure offices? What are the people you're going to need to hire to do? All the temperature taking thing about the thin margins across so many businesses. Who's GonNa pay for that? The government is going to need to step in so yes he is getting into more of those hands but it's pocket change compared to the real dollars really need. Nbc Stephanie Roll. Thank you very much. And by the way tonight at eight. Pm EASTERN ON NBC News. Now Stephanie is going to break down all of your questions that you can send in. She's hosting how small businesses have been affected by the crisis and then tomorrow and Friday at nine o'clock eastern right here on MSNBC. She will dive into the latest unemployment numbers and what they might mean for small businesses in a struggling economy. Willie Steph. Thanks a lot. Meanwhile law enforcement officials in the US and UK say that quote malicious cyber campaigns are targeting hospitals and medical institutions to US officials tell NBC News Hackers working for foreign governments like are looking for patient data as well as research on a possible vaccine. Let's bring NBC. News correspondent. Juliet Ainsley Julia. Good Morning. I WanNa talk about your excellent reporting on cyber-attacks in a moment but I can. We talk about baby. Mary welcome back to work. Oh here candy circus the all of you again in person sleep right now and my as we film. Okay what we want to hear wells for having a little trouble with your mic right now Julia. But you know what we're just going to live in this photograph. She's absolutely short Julia's Microphone. And we're going to talk a lot more about both Mary. Wells and cyber attacks come back and morning. Joe Bag is Willie geist here reminding you to check out the Sunday. Sit Down podcast on this week's episode. I sit down with the legend himself. Shaquille O'Neal to talk about his success on the court but also off of it including second act as a prolific businessman an analyst for inside the NBA. You can listen to our full conversation right now on the Sunday. Sit Down Podcast. Get IT FOR FREE WHEREVER YOU. Download Yours. So I think that as far as the Task Force Mike Pence at the test scores have done a great job. But we're now looking at a little bit of a different form and former safety and opening and will will have a different group. Probably set up for. Are you saying Mission Accomplished? No no not at all. The emission accomplishes when it's over. Are you saying you'll get the advice that you need to take great advice? Great people great people. We have great doctors. We have great medical laboratory joining us now. Infectious Diseases physician and medical director of special pathogens. The Unit at Boston University School of Medicine Dr. Now he'd but Delia she's an NBC News and MSNBC contributor. Thank you so much for being on this morning given that the president's talking about the Corona Virus Task Force winding down big picture. Dr Padillia is the virus winding down. It clearly is not as you covered. Only just this morning that you might be seeing some of the urban epicenters actually thankfully seeing some stabilization of disease but now that diseases shifting to prairie states. You're seeing larger increasing numbers in exactly the areas. You and I have talked about before rural areas that already have a potentially not as much resilience in their healthcare systems. And we're really at this pinnacle right now where you know even the hospitals like my on. I'm on clinical service right now. hospitals across the country are still looking at rolling shortages in many personal protective equipment enhanced sanitizers and and that needs to be a national strategy for supply chains. But then even looking ahead. You know as you're thinking about vaccines it's not just discovering ineffective effective vaccine but having a strategy about distribution about production You need a national strategy and all of those aspects as well as it certainly nowhere near over and it worries me that we don't have the CDC doing briefings worries me that we don't have doing briefings on the one forum on which we could hear that national strategies now getting close down as well well on top of it. There's this total confusion on reopening with the president sending mixed messages by the day clearly wants the country to reopen. Some say that he's more worried about the political side of this but scientifically the reopening strategies are confusing and worrisome to most medical experts and then the issue of reopening could be easily simplified by testing. Shouldn't there be a national strategy testing exactly and strategy that actually takes the results from the testing network. Collecting to better forecast was coming up. I mean the testing has has benefits for the individual patient and by putting out widespread testing aside from just what ambassador bricks talked about just looking at people who come in who like symptoms and using that as an indicator testing gives us a more accurate idea of where the diseases moving next and so we need that we need. I think we lose all and into this dichotomy that has to be either the economy of health or health rather than looking at. This is what it is. It's a challenge opportunity and a challenge to solve how we can get healthcare worker Back to work and still give them the human rights of keeping them safe. And and that's what a national strategy would do. That's what testing would do that was. That's what contact racing with do. Why aren't we doing the hard work to get us there to open safely? We should be asking for both Dr Day. Willie geist great to see you this morning. Let me take the other side of this because there's a not insignificant portion of this country who's looking at this and saying well all those early projections that we heard the screaming headlines about a million or two million deaths or even two hundred forty thousand deaths that doctors burke works discussed a few weeks ago. Have not come to pass that ship that sailed into New York harbor turned out wasn't necessarily needed. The Field Hospital in central park wasn't necessarily needed in other words. The worst case scenarios were not worn out and those people are saying people were the numbers. I just want to get back to work. It's not as bad as everyone has been saying. What's your response to that? Look at what cost. We brought those numbers down. Basically shut down the country. We stopped going outside those numbers reduced because we put in the sacrifices and now it's almost saying that halfway not even halfway. You've heard Dr John and Dr Ostrom talk in the past. Where the beginning of this game? We don't have vaccine. We won't have on for twelve months basically throwing in the towel and saying you know without having all the infrastructure into place less just go back to where we were in February. I think that the when you look at hospital including my own. I'm on service right now. Like mention every surprise when a patient comes in that doesn't have cove it you know it. It still high numbers of patients that are coming in that. Have this and so it really needs to be an understanding at the public level. It doesn't help that. The public is getting mixed messages about why we had the isolation orders in place in the first place and that's really why you need a unified public health message out there which. I don't feel we have yet all right infectious diseases physician and associate professor at Boston University Medical School Doctrine. He'd but Delia. Thank you very much. Pleased come back. We we appreciate your your your sound expertise all right. We're going to bring an NBC. News correspondent Julia. Inslee by phone. Because we think her baby is messing up the total Mike System. They always take day. Always take president. It's fine this is the beginning of a long road for you Julia Mary. Wells is adorable. But now let's go to your top notch reporting here you're looking at. Us and UK officials concerned about cyber attacks on hospitals and research facilities. And they're looking at China. Tell us about it. That's right Mika. So yesterday the United States UK law enforcement agencies sent out an advisory not just two hospitals to all medical institution including those who are doing medical research to tell them to password protect their computers and devices with passwords. That would be unusual for hackers to think of because they're seeing increased activity from people who are trying to take advantage of this time now to sources that I've spoken to say that a lot of this has fingerprints of China on it. What that means is that China will exploit times like this because they try to gather as much information that they can especially as more patients going to hospitals and giving their information and they're also trying to steal biotech that there was an incident last December. Where two Chinese nationals were arrested trying to steal cancer cells when even had a vial in his socks in his bag at the airport in Boston Boston Logan Airport. These are the kind of things they've seen happen before. These officials say that it's really important that the medical institution heed these warnings. Because what this comes. Down to mega is a race for a vaccine and if China or a other countries or able to advance and get to a vaccine faster by stealing information that countries like the United States in the United Kingdom are advancing. They may be able to get vaccine faster and have a leg up economically. It's wild how many unforeseen consequences This virus is having an who was trying to take advantage of this moment. Jonathan Lemaire Julia. First of all congratulations and welcome back beyond China. What sort of other. Who else could be looking to do this? Who else could be looking to steal information even his wreak havoc with these medical facilities at such a at such a precarious time other foreign actors potentially terror groups even Radha who radical groups here at home. Well Jonathan it's interesting. It's it's highly profitable no matter who you are if you can get this information. It is worth a lot of money. Whether that be mass data on patients or proprietary medical biotech information and so people could be individual actors looking for the highest bidder with this kind of information but as you look closely at these advisories. They very carefully without saying specific countries. Keep pointing back to the fact that this information would be in the interest of governments to eventually have and to have that information end up in their hands so we can think of a number of countries who would be trying to economically compete with the United States with the United Kingdom to try to Kind of best to the corona virus to get their economy up and running before amazing. Nbc's Julia Instantly. Welcome back. Thank you very much and coming up you have to think. Her name is floating among the Biden team as a potential vice presidential running mate congresswoman. Val demings joins the conversation straight ahead on Morning Joe. Plus the president's son-in-law Jared has played a large role in the administration's Corona Virus Response. But there's new reporting that he has largely relied on inexperienced volunteers. You're watching morning Joe. We'll be right back.

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Ep. 78: Give It to Me Straight, Doc (feat. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel)

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

40:54 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 78: Give It to Me Straight, Doc (feat. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel)

"This podcast was created using anchor. Anchor is the free podcast platform that allows you or anyone to setup and start your own podcast for you charge so the your voice is heard is because they believe in the democratization of audio pure and simple. That's why I use their platform anchor DOT FM or the anchor APP will get you there This is rumble and Michael Moore and my special guest. Today is Dr Zeke Manual Dr Manual was the chair of the department bioethics at the National Institutes of Health from Nineteen Ninety seven to two thousand eleven I'm sure many of you remember that he was key instrumental in US Getting the what is called the Obamacare Act passed the affordable care act In what was deeply involved with President Obama in trying to For really the first time to have a habit possible that Every American could could be covered and not have to worry about going to the doctor Currently a doctor manuals the vice provost of a global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. And on lately you've probably seen a lot on TV He's the Co Host of the Endeavour. A podcast called making the call. He has now. I I think once a week I think it's on Friday nights. He has been on Either with Ali belchior Lawrence O'Donnell on a series Called a life during the time of the corona virus and And instead of having to talk in sound bites or whenever we get a full hour As to what we're all going through this has been helpful Dr Manual also co edited. The new book The trillion dollar revolution. How the Affordable Care Act transformed politics law and healthcare in America? Dr Manual Zeke. Welcome to my podcast. Great to be here. Thank you Michael. For having me I saw you on Wolf Blitzer actually on the MSNBC competing network at the very beginning of this And I talked about this on my podcast and Wolf asked you a question the question everybody sure asks you every day. How long is this going to last? Once it's going to be over. We want this over with now. And I'm in day sixty of my own self imposed Quarantine in my apartment. So I went out like everybody else but when he asked you that question. I believe this is this was maybe and February could have been might have been the beginning of March and you said just very nonchalantly to him but very direct very with the doctor's voice when he said. How long is this going to last? And you said while I believe this could be a two year pandemic. Those were your words. Two Year Pandemic Wolf. Who is usually a fairly sedate person? Goes what it was like. Are you kidding me? And you then answered it and I'm GonNa let you answered here for the people Listen to this but I have to say man. He went right off from you to the other person never came back to the fact that you had just said this could possibly last for two. And you try to explain that it's GonNa be a wave that doesn't mean we're imprisoned for two years necessarily but I just WANNA start there because they never came back to you. I would like you to explain because you were the first person. As far as I was concerned I was watching a lot of the news channels. Then who just just came out and said the uncomfortable inconvenient truth and It turned my head around and I didn't depress me. I didn't think Oh. All Hope is lost. I started thinking. Oh Oh that's okay now. Somebody has said what we're dealing with. Now we can start to figure out how to deal with it so I turn it over to you to explain what you meant when you shocked at least me if not the rest of. Everybody was watching. Cnn a day when you said this could possibly be two year pandemic. Well there's only two ways of getting out of a situation where you have very infectious at potentially lethal virus. One issue get enough herd immunity in the community And the country so that the arnauts however many people get spread to goes down below one Which means that. The virus basically dies out. And you don't get spread of virus. That'll require sixty seventy eighty percent of the population to have been immune to the virus. That's going to take time Our you know call it. Two and a half months into covert nine thousand nine hundred maybe three months into cove in nineteen and even on the best estimates were have maybe ten million people twelve million people in America in fact it that is three percent of the population. That's far from seventy eighty ninety percent of the population And so it'll take us a long time to get that kind of heard immunity the other kind of immunity. You can get is if you have a vaccine And then you can distribute it Sixty seventy eighty percent of the population And that if you play out How long it's GonNa take us to get a vaccine. You know you're out in somewhere fall. Twenty twenty one and that as everyone who comments on this who's responsible and comments on the says if everything goes perfectly and the last time we went perk perfectly in drug development vaccine development was never you know there's always always some hitch. That comes after something unexpected. You know you tested out in a few hundred people and maybe you get to a few thousand people in something. Unexpected happens so if you just you know we have rushed it. We were already in humans. I you know So God bless them. Wow Yeah I mean so we're out there and we're testing. What's called phase one? That's the safety testing now. What's interesting is that some of these axes that we've put into people already haven't even put into animals now that's on the hypothesis that they're very safe and they probably are very safe But then you've got to test them in you've gotta give the body a chance to react and see if there any side effects. That doesn't happen overnight. Then you have to look at that date and make sure that we're protecting people you know. See if there's anything serious comes up then you have to have enough to distribute To people you know the tests The number of tests Needed for an evaluation of whether this is effective at preventing Cova. Ninety Nine. I've you know eight to twenty thousand people. Well that's GonNa take time to enroll them and then you have to wait for them to develop antibodies and see if they're protected from getting an infection from covert so they need to be exposed to covert and that's going to take time So you know even if we ramp up production of this vaccine. Not knowing whether it's going to work on the promise that it's GonNa Work. We're still talking Sometime in two twenty one when we're going to have enough data to know whether this thing works well enough to distribute it to people and has a good enough safety profile. Now you're not gonNA immediately have three hundred million doses three hundred and thirty million doses for everyone in the population right. That's GONNA take time. And I've talked to officials at Johnson and Johnson and they think by the end of twenty twenty one they'll have could have a billion doses. You have to manufacture them. You have to distribute them to and they have to administer them into people and again. None of that happens overnight. It takes time which is why I think we're talking about at the earliest. If everything goes perfectly fall twenty twenty one more likely you know early. Twenty twenty two but that. That's so that's the timeline. And it's very hard to compress at time. I much further than we've compressing and that's if everything goes right. Exactly you said doesn't happen so I mean it's this is what and this is why I really wanted to talk to you because really I know you and I know that you are a Truth Teller. And you're you're the doctor we all. Everybody wants to have that kind of doctor. Just Gimme the truth. Don't sugarcoat it. Don't try to if I cry. I cry but I. I'm better off with knowledge than than sending me home with hope. I don't want hope I wanNA know. What can I do to live? You've just give me some bad news. What am I going to do to live? And am I just when we talk about this vaccine and you say like this has never happened in this kind of speed and in this fashion I I ask. We're how's The vaccine for malaria? Coming House the House. That's why I've been working on that for seven years My Dad had GI fever. World War Two. He's in the South Pacific. The Marines. I'll house the vaccine for that coming house. The vaccine coming for I mean. Just go down the list of I H H. We don't have a vaccine now. We have treatment and and fortunately less people have died now as a result of that. Thank God but We don't have a vaccine for that. We don't have a vaccine for the common cold. How many years of doctors and scientists been trying to just stop the common cold? It doesn't exist so I just think that I don't believe in giving people false hope. I believe in realistic. Hope but not promising something that we cannot absolutely Garrett. Well not only am. It doesn't have to be absolutely that we can reasonably guarantee that. We're going to have this vaccine in everybody's waiting for this and what I the discussion. I WANNA have with people as well. What if that doesn't happen? What if this like malaria that we've never been able to come up with a vaccine for what is it? What are we going to do? What is the plan and and we need more of you and more people like you just saying things not the things that we want to hear. I mean I don't know what I mean. I don't maybe your wife had through on broadcast. Or whatever says to Zeke. You could've tamped down a little bit. You Look I think. Part of the problem is you have to give people a structure and a planning. If it's going to be hard. They need to know it's hard you know. I always. I apologize to sitting on an airplane. What do I want the pilot to tell me? You know we're going to be moving in a minute and then thirty minutes later. We're not moving. No feel pissed off at that on the other hand. If the pilot tells me you know we've got this situation. It's probably going to be twenty minutes. I'll get back to you in twenty minutes and update with what's happening. That's what you WanNa hear and that allows you to plan your life. It allows you to make clear it allows you to make certain in the case of covert demands on the politicians as to how to help you how to help businesses through this And so I think that's what people really want in this idea that I actually chloroquine it's going to carry it or the summer's coming. It just GONNA magically disappear. I think that's quite difficult for people because I know it's not true. And then it's hard to figure out what is true I can't trust this person that they keep telling me stuff. That doesn't seem quite right. So I I do think that there's a value in understanding the timelines and being able to plan for all of us are plan for it also gives us an understanding. Well what can we do between now and then to get parts of the economy going? You know what? How much risks are we going to be willing to take in this period of time when we don't have a vaccine You know and what's this weekend? Most of the country most not all but most of the country is going to be partially reopened as they put it. This has gotta drive you crazy level right. I mean this. Aren't you that because it seems from what I've listened to you? What you have said is if we could turn the clock back which we can't but if we could turn it back if we could pretend were New Zealand And if we immediately had done. Two things A mandatory stay at home and tell the people right away that the government is going to guarantee your paycheck for these X. number of months so that we can somehow slow this thing down It it. We can't do that now. So what what is it? That isn't enough. I guess maybe I think the nervousness the anxiety you even hearing my voice is because if doctor Fauci and you and Barack Obama and throw in a few doctor redlener distinct create your your your team of heroes or whatever if you guys were actually running the show. If you were making the decisions you might not always be right. You might make mistakes but I I think all of us would just feel better and then we could handle the truth if you tell us. It's a two year pandemic it or it's this or that or whatever okay Will let's figure out how we're GONNA live and not and not see our country crash NOCCO crazy ourselves in between these four walls But we don't have that we don't have that I had it till next January. I agree and I don't think I think look All the experts say we need more testing. We need more contact. Tracing those are things we need and we need to work on. It were going at breakneck speed on a vaccine. And that's really important to we've got put in place The kind of regulatory framework. We need to get it approved and distributed produced and distributed But I do think that there are many things we can do. I mean as you said It does drive me a little nuts. We HAVE PLACES OPENING UP. Georgia's obviously the textbook example of how not to do it That you know the cases are still going up. Even the president's Pandemic Preparedness Plan for how to open up said you gotTa have fourteen days of decreasing a number of cases. I think that's too liberal a standard but even by that standard Georgia is wrong and then Georgia opens up all these activities. That require intimate personal. Contact you know cutting your hair Going to the beauty salon tattoos which make no sense. They're not essential services And they're things that We could probably do without so you. GotTa understand Better and we need a better plan for getting things started. We can start thinking. Oh we should understand that. This is mortalities heavily concentrated in homes among the elderly and among people with serious co morbid conditions whether it's diabetes hypertension or obesity and we need to do special protections for those people and then you know there are other things where we can assuming some risk. Not totally you know. This isn't GONNA be zero risk assuming we can do better at opening things up And I think that's the direction we need to begin pushing And I I I just don't see that planning and that structure Systematically happening across all saints instead we get you know the CDC has these plans on how to You know these decision trees about how to open up the economy and they get quashed instead of released if you were President of the United States right now and you had the powers. Not Not given to the governor's but the our federally to to declare when we open reopen partially reopened. Or whatever. What would you do or if you were not the president? What would you advise a president who would listen To you and not to the manufacturers Clark's first of all do need to the cash saying system has gotten better but we need to get it really. Well so people can get a task Make sure the SPIT TESTS. Works a ramp it up And then Make sure that we can test as many people as we need. Get a clear testing regime. So that We have people who are at the frontline. Interacting with a lot of people like grocery workers. Healthcare workers homeworkers that. They're a protected. We need to get the serology tests. Not You know. We've we've allowed one hundred and fifty different serology tests out there but only twelve of which have been certified by the FDA. It's like the wild west. You don't know whether the serology test you got actually says what you have antibody or not and so. It's not very informative. It's it's really not helpful. That's not a good process to have is to find out if you if you have had it in the past Monday. Serology czar if you develop. Antibodies The problem is that only twelve of those tests have been certified the other one hundred thirty eight thirty and it doesn't guarantee if you'll say you test positive that you had it. It doesn't guarantee that you have immunity or that you won't get it again or that you can't be effect infected again. Well I wouldn't say we guarantee we don't know. This is an area of uncertainty. We haven't done the studies to be able to evaluate that question. Most of US think you're likely to have immunity. If you have the antibodies. How long it lasts. Another uncertainty But that yes that's still needs to be validated and verified. What what is the what is so. How do you answer people like would you? After Wolf Blitzer sort of turned away from you after he shunned you when you said it was a two year pandemic two feet from him. What was the look on his face when you said that I could just see it on the TV but it being why we cut to a commercial says you just made news. It's like I wasn't trying to make news. I'm trying to inform your audience than that. Were no I know you said it in the way that you would say? It's seventy two and sunny out Was Not you weren't trying to shock anybody you were just. He asked you an honest question. You gave them an honest answer and now now two and a half months later. Is that your same answer? Is it a three year? Pandemic possibly and what does that mean in terms of? Are we going to get the waves? We thought we get if we all social distance correctly. Which now. We're not going to do that as much anymore. So what so? What is this now is going to be waves or is it going to be one long two? We're in trouble sort of thing. Well so there are some people Laurie. Garrett is one of them a very very knowledgeable about this. She thinks it's going to be thirty six months. And you know she may be right three years yes. I don't know how we last three years to be perfectly and but I think How what are the likely scenarios. Well one likely scenario is we have repeated waves. All about the same hiked it comes. It goes it comes. It goes because we open up. And there's a reservoir of Corona viruses that resurfaces Definitely a possibility Possibility which is actually a little more horrific At and one that we clearly want to avoid is re- Had A big wave here. It goes down in the summer Maybe because of some combination of you know the crease because of the heat and humidity and who knows but then it comes roaring back in the fall and you have a second peak. That is higher and worse than the first peak. Now for those of you who are sort of scratching your head. How could anything be worse than what we've had now and let me just remind you? Nineteen eight thousand nine hundred nine thousand nine hundred twenty. There were four peaks to the influenza pandemic at that time and the second peak was far and away the highest double at least doubling the first peak And it came. Yes in the following fall So that I think is probably if you're a epidemiologist and historian that's what makes you really nervous that we haven't even gotten to the worst of the worst of it is coming this coming fall And that I think makes me very very nervous? The third possibility is this is the worst. We're going to have. Echoes as it were of this of ever decreasing peaks Until we get a vaccine. And maybe we'll have to peaks. Maybe we'll have three peaks depending on what that vaccine gets out But they'll be decreasing in the pain will be less. I think those are the three most probable scenarios But this thing has been surprising from the start And none of those are easy. Okay so but where do you okay? So we're the let's say you're you're doctor. I'm in the room with you. Have come into the examination room now. Now I need some bedside my mets. I need your bedside care your best bedside care for me. I'm the American public and I have. I have been locked locked in the apartment with the kids now for two months. And now you're telling me it could be a lot longer than that now. The kids aren't really getting an education and And we we who care about the people who are cleaning. The streets driving the buses stocking the shelves all those workers. I mean we love the doctors and the nurses and we hate hearing that how many of them have died is just awful but but all the other workers that we wouldn't be eating the we wouldn't have water in our tap in the kitchen if people weren't at the utility plant all the stuff that has to keep going that unit you see where people go with us. He started at that. What what what Dr so I ask. You is Doctor Emmanuel I don't want false hope but I want the truth and because I think once we get the truth collectively as a society. We can figure out what we need to do. We know the eight eight weeks that were lost there with trump. Wish that we had those back Now what we? We can't go back. We can turn the clock back and you know. He was all all bent out of shape when he found two of his staff. There had the virus and then all of a sudden now what I heard on the news. All the staff from the White House are going to be tested on a daily basis. Which is what all of us would like. You know in that sense of who had something at home. Where could swab or mouth and see that? We're okay for another day because see the thing is to take the test. My right on this if I if I go to the the walking clinic down the street I heard. They had test on there as soon as I walk out of. I'm yes and they find out. I'm negative. I walk out of there though as soon as I touch a DOORKNOB. As soon as I walked by somebody on the street coughs. I can't say two days later that I'm negative can I? I'm negative I'm negative in that moment and and a lot of times you don't get the results right away. You GotTa wait a day or two so by that time. I touched too many doorknobs. I have run into too many people. And it's like what is the test even mean at that point. Yeah I think so first of all. You're absolutely right. The test does meet at that moment. You're negative and you could get the moment. We should also be a little clear that the data is emerging that there seems to be a way of getting it Touching a doorknob is pro. Made I won't say you can't get it that way but probably not the main way most of us Who might end up getting it yet? There Being stuck in a car seems to be important being in the same house and interacting with people overtime seems to be important and the third thing is going to a family event. The party or something where you're with other people for two three four hours. That seems to be important. If you're outside in your six feet apart from people unlikely to get it just touching a counter or surfaced not adapt like. You can't get it there. But it's not the main way of Trent Transmission. So transmission is sharing air with someone for a fair amount of time like in a car. That's how this thing gets transmitted. You'll remember Michael you know that they famous case of That new Rochelle a lawyer who was driven by someone in that other person ended up because he was driving to the hospital or to get the test you know ended up getting infected. That's a likely scenario being with someone in your house. Entertaining them in close quarters the same air over three or four hours. That's another way of getting it So that it's important for people to keep that in mind but I think my clorox wiping my tangerines and I asked him to the skin. I'd why am I? Why am I Clark seeing the Tangerine? I don't do that so I'm not sure why anyone does that. I would say the following. We do need to open up the economy. We need to think about how. We're going to open up the economy. We need to recognize that. It's not just one thing. We do right there. Different kinds of businesses abilities to socially distance. So if you think of restaurants were coming up to spring and summer if we serve people outdoors if tables are space six feet apart if the customer actually goes up and picks their meal up off. That's a way that you could safely open restaurants another thing to think about is. You can't get workers back to work in a serious way unless you get their kids in school so we'd have to think about. How do we open up schools? Fortunately we're not trail-blazing here. We can look some places in Germany Denmark is another place that has done it so you can see you know. They bring kids in and stagger times. They have them wash every hour on the hour. They have them play and eat only in certain groups so that they're not creating big mixing they have an opt out policy so parents who think that's too risky out. Because you might have grandma living at home you might have someone who's got diabetes or serious hypertension living at home and if the kid got it got cove and brought it home that would be a serious health threat to those people so we need to be prepared and you start with the youngest kids. They seemed both less susceptible and have less complications if they get it and online learning sucks for them. So you gotta focus gotTa think about this in a strategic way and us all the information. We have to open up as safely as possible. The Chinese the study that was done after. They're they're large bout with it. Showed that nearly seventy percent of those who died contracted the virus from a family member or somebody who was living in the house and is that right so they. They started not sending people home when they tested positive but to these designated hotels dorms or whatever so that they would not infect especially the older people who are living at home yes. That's it would be a good use of how hotels that are sitting idle. And yes we. We need to think about that absolutely. Can I just ask you more when we only have a few minutes left here because you have to get over to MSNBC not going over there are going to beam you there but But I just want to ask you maybe more global question and I'm and I also want to say I spoke to you years ago when you were developing the obamacare and all the important work that was done with that and maybe if you could back on another time I'd like to like I like to on my podcast. Imagine Life Post pandemic so that we start to think a little bit about the vision we have for the way live and a lot of us. Do not want to go back to what we call the old normal. Yes we want to go back to the new. The normal where kids are in school. We can work and all that stuff. But I think we've had a lot of time to think about the way we were living and I would love to talk to you about your new ideas about where we where we take The Affordable Care Act. And how we improve it how we expanded out all those things that I think Have to be done And and your great thinker with this sort of thing. I'd love your input into that so we could do that another another time with absolutely but I think Michael the short answer there is. I don't think coming. Out of covert people are going to put up with a patchwork system. We have where ten percent of the population doesn't have health insurance. I think people are like this is a serious issue. My health depends upon someone else's being able to be healthy And their willingness to get healthcare because it's not going to bankrupt them we need to create a structure where this thing works for all of us. I don't think Bernie Sanders Medicare for all is going to be that. Because I think it's just too politically fraught but we can think about in. And you know Joe Biden said about lowering the Medicare eligibility age. You think about Medicaid for a lot of people you could think about a structure where we take. Parts of Medicare call Medicare advantage where the private insurers run the system at people after that which is now extremely popular expanding that everyone This is a moment. A lot of people are losing their job. Therefore they're losing their health insurance or employer sponsored health insurance. It's a moment where I think. The public is going to demand. We've got a switch off this system. Yom Let's do a better system we can do every. Yeah we are. We have a true safety net. It's not poorest. Ought to people. Don't fall through. We don't have ten percent uninsured. Call that a victory So I do think that In the first part of the twenty twenty s we're going to get some major change And I think this idea that you know trump just came out. Let's get rid of the. Aca Let's have the course overturn it. I mean how. Can you do that when we need coverage at this very moment it just incoherent and when you say ten percent? I just want to put a number of that. Ten percent of Americans don't have are not covered. That's thirty million Americans thirty million. Yes and so when you're not covered when you start to feel sick you don't go to the doctor 'cause a you can't afford it You know there's the copays the deduct all the stuff but also we have eleven million wonderful immigrants who are living in this country. They don't have documents and they are scared shitless to go to the hospital the doctor for the fact that they would be arrested and removed so if when they get sick and they are afraid to get an seek help because of our system that set up against them they then they've had not only hurt their families the people around the people they love. It's it's I say. This like Republicans out of your own self interest okay. You don't love immigrants. I wish you were different. But you know what out of your own selfish interests. You want anybody who's feeling symptoms to go seek help. That's for you to protect you. Forget about them. Just protect you. You should support that and it's just. It's what we can have this conversation another time because I really. I think we can do this. I think we can do better and I think that having our health insurance tie door job which sounds good and if you have a good job and you got a good union especially you got great benefits but we've now learned as soon as the job ends boom you. The government may be giving you some unemployment insurance now. They're not giving you anything for your healthcare and it has caused a such consternation but my last question I want to ask. You was more of a global question and and Maybe you're not qualified to answer this but you must have thought about it that it seems like this virus which we don't know everything about yet. possibly happened because the habitat of certain Species I'm has been so encroached upon that. We have altered the national or the natural world. We've done that in the first world. Obviously it's done in the Third World and and in this case. Are we ever going to have the conversation? Maybe it has to be after? We're through this. I'd like to have it now. That our if we don't treat this planet differently that mother Mother Nature Loves US but it senses that we are doing things to destroy Mother Nature. Mother Nature is going to put us in the timeout room. Which is I think we're at what we're in right now but it can do far worse. I say to all the Earth's going to die note. The Earth is not going to die. The Earth will kill us before we kill it and I just think that we need to have a conversation about the why of this virus and the how it transpired and I think it's connected to all these things we care about with our environment with climate. Change all these things just just some. I haven't heard you talk much about this but I'm just curious as a citizen even Where you stand on this what you think we need to be. If you don't have the answer just get us thinking about this So I did write a piece for the Washington Post some about the issue that there are particular hot spots. Where various emerged where the mixing between people animals Who have been displaced from their habitat China. This area of China is one of them And it's a very important area that we've seen have have generated a number of These viruses SARS Being one of them So you're absolutely right that there is this Change in the relationship between animals. Humans the environment that does lead to The hopping the host transfer From in this case it appears bats to human beings And that does have to do with encroaching on environment more detail than and prolonged interaction between people and animals Where the viruses can adapt to a new host and that new hosts never seen this virus and can really really be deadly. As we've seen the same thing is true of Evola was true of how you know. That's how we got HIV. And so it's it's you're absolutely right. We have to rethink our relationship with the environment. Try to minimize these a major major disasters in. How do we stop this? You know in New York City here. The hate crimes against Chinese Americans in the last month or so. It's been I mean pretty ridiculous. Yeah so how do you? How do you as a scientist as a doctor Explain to people that is not the Chinese people you need to worry about as I say you need to worry about somebody who doesn't do anything for eight weeks when they're in charge. Yeah well I think that is prejudice and it's not It's stigma it's not very helpful to keeping US safe and it's certainly not representative of how this virus started and how it spread while I look forward to talking to again Thank you for coming on And thank you for the work. You've done all those years At the at the NIH was fourteen. Fifteen sixteen years something like that It sank you. We appreciate your service to this country. Keep telling the truth we need it. I don't mind if it's bad because it's it's I can deal with a lot of us can deal with it with the American public doesn't want to be treated like babies. We are adults and together. We've done this before in our past. We have made this a better country. We've come out of huge averse adversity. We can do it again but we need people like you leading the way telling us the truth. Keep doing that. Thank you thank you. Thank Gerhard Zico Manual Podcast is making the call and also on MSNBC ON Friday nights ten PM Eastern and Pacific Where he gets right into it. You get a full hour of this and I encourage people to listen. And also your book Thank you very much and thank everybody who listened to this podcast. I know there'll be a lot of comments. I'll pass them on to you and the rate we'll talk again soon. Thank you Mike. Take Care thank you thank you very much. Thank you for listening to this episode of Rumble with Michael Moore. I happened to be Michael Moore And I'm grateful to all of you for participating. Don't forget to watch our film. I'm the executive producer of it by Jeff Gibbs called planet of the humans. 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"You had a nine. Pm Call with President. Xi of China let me start there. How did that go well because if you I made it at ten thirty so that just shows you choose your have the number one rated show and television? I better change worse. Case scenario is is a very realistic picture if we keep going down the road which is a hospital that is now resource poor where healthcare professionals are sick where unfortunately patients both mildly sick and those are die that are dying are coming in overwhelming the the resources and we have to make decisions about he we can help. Donald Trump at the White House and an er doctor on the front lines in New York City. Good morning and welcome to morning Joe. It is Friday march twenty seventh White House reporter for the Associated Press. Jonathan Lemere joins US and B. C. News correspondent Heidi Priscilla former White House health advisor for for health policy professor and vice provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel and historian author of the soul of America and Rogers professor of the Presidency at Vanderbilt University. Jon Meacham is here. He is an NBC News and Msnbc Contributor along with Willie and me. Joe. Is Back on Monday? We're going to begin this morning with another unfortunate milestone as the US overtakes China as the country with the most number of confirmed cases of the corona virus the US now has more than eighty five thousand cases with more than seventeen thousand reported in the last twenty four hours as the country sets records for new cases just about every day. President trump continues his push for guidelines on self distancing to be relaxed. The administration is now planning to issue new guidelines that would identify certain counties by risk level high medium or low hoping that some parts of the country can get back to work sooner than others. Meanwhile members of the House are racing back to Washington right now to vote on that massive economic rescue package today leaders had hoped to pass it by voice vote but feared at least one member Kentucky Republican Thomas Massie would demand a recorded vote if he or any other member forces a roll call. The house would need a majority of the chamber present to proceed with the vote if at least two hundred and sixteen members. Don't show what the vote will be delayed until a quorum Matt as for the urgency of the matter look no further than this morning's New York Times with a jaw dropping chart of yesterday's record number of jobless claims sprawled across the entire front page. It's getting really bad. And in some cases Willie desperate yeah. That's an extraordinary image. On the front page of The New York Times which underlines the fact that the previous monthly record was in October of nineteen eighty two with six hundred ninety five thousand jobless claims yesterday nearly three point three million weekly jobless claims meanwhile the death toll in New York continues to take a turn for the worse with the state reporting nearly fifty new deaths overnight for a total of more than four hundred thirty. Meanwhile Corona Virus Infections have sharply spite forty percent in a single day edge close to forty thousand cases in New York City alone. Three hundred sixty five people have died by contrast the number of people murdered in the city. All of last year was three hundred. Nineteen Governor Andrew. Cuomo of New York says the surgeon corona virus deaths is due in part to older patients spending weeks on ventilators before eventually dying of respiratory failure among the dead the New York Police Department's first loss custodian who worked for the force for more a decade fourteen years to be exact more than three hundred fifty. Nypd employees have tested positive for corona virus including the deputy county terrorism. Commissioner John Miller New York City was flooded with an excess of nearly six thousand nine. One one calls yesterday that deluge has caused strain on first responders obviously who are cautioning residents to call only in an emergency. Mika with New York City hospitals pushed to the limit by growing number of Corona Virus Cases Governor Andrew Cuomo says doctors and nurses have enough protective gear for an immediate need. But not beyond that. We've called the individual hospitals. There's no doubt that in the past few days. There's maybe the is a little startling stop. But we have enough p. p. e. and the New York City officials say they have enough P P for the New York City hospitals. We have enough. P P in stock for the immediate need not past the immediate need but for the immediate need and we keep shop. The New York Post reported this week. That nurses at Mount Sinai West in Manhattan. Where wearing trash bags at work but the hospital has since responded saying the photo in question actually shows the nurses wearing proper protective gear beneath the bags. Mount Sinai West is the same hospital where a nurse. Kelly died this week according to the New York Times. Some of his colleagues have complained on social media about a lack of protective gear. One nurse told The Times that the hospital had offered nurses one plastic protective gown for an entire shift so normal protocol required a change of gowns between interactions with infected patients. The New York Times reports that New York Presbyterian hospital began ventilator sharing this week where to patients share the same ventilator and one more headline from the Wall Street Journal New York is now telling nursing homes they will be required to accept corona virus patients. Who have been discharged from hospitals but may still be recovering. That news is expected to draw pushback from nursing home officials who warned that such a move could endanger residents and we have reports of nursing homes around the country that are swamped with grown. Virus cases wiped out to an extent. Zeke will start y you want to ask about the county by county plan but first Dr Burks seemed to play down a bit. What hospitals were confronting talk about what to do with end of life situations and changing really what they're oath is and what their guidelines are given given the to the fact that they have to ration materials and they have so many patients we have a situation in Georgia and Michigan. Were hospitals are under siege? Boston has one hundred healthcare workers. At least who are testing positive with corona virus one hundred and three separate hospitals in New York City. They are building a makeshift morgue Bellevue Hospital. So who's right Dr Burks or the healthcare professionals on the front lines and the images that we actually see with our eyes. Pay The front lines. Tell you what's actually happening at the front lines and politicians and people in Washington. I don't want the country to panic. I mean I think a Republican administration would a poor. The it's watch what you're seeing is major rationing in the country rationing a word that they have used to beat up. Democrats but the fact is we are seeing rationing in parts of the country. And you've mentioned some of them primarily in New York but it's going to be exclusively New York. This is not a virus. That is just GonNa stay and find your. I would mention me. You know right now if you look at the numbers we probably have a million covert nineteen cases in the country and if this is doubling every three to four days that means that will have a hundred million people who have covert nineteen in about four weeks. That's a frightening thought. I think it is and you have societal breakdown issues. For example prison systems around the country are desperately asking for help. There's no social distancing in prisoner in prisons and for example at rikers last count. I saw at least forty. Inmates have it. It's an outbreak. You have reports from around the country of of of garbage workers not wanting to pick up garbage because they don't have protection and yet the president is talking about a county by county ranking in terms of how bad corona virus is. How is that possible that that could even work remotely well? It could only work. If we had sufficient testing so we could actually fairly reliably identify those counties with low levels and an those counties had the ability to test anti contact trace cases. I mean remember China deadlock down the whole country. You had parts. That didn't have large numbers that could do contact. Tracing South Korea has done contact tracing so it could only were if we have the right infrastructure and that is extensive testing in those counties and contact tracing and isolation of anyone who turns out positive. Now money of those comedies. Probably don't have that capacity So you have to have a plan that also has the capacity in the infrastructure to implement it and I one hundred percent sure that all of that has been thought through Heidi Brazil. You've been doing a lot of reporting on what's actually happening inside the hospitals. What personal protective equipment. They have and don't have the president yesterday last night. On with Sean Hannity on Fox News Questions. Certain hospitals and cities and states need for thirty thousand or forty thousand ventilators gut feeling. Apparently he had that. They didn't need them. What is the true picture of what's going on in the hospitals and it's true as Governor? Cuomo said yesterday that it's gotten better. I can report that out from some New York hospitals but there still is a big shortage. They're still having to share ventilators between patients. In some cases ventilators are by far the number one in most dire need willie in that is true of a number of states. This is not just in New York. You see the governor of Michigan begging for Federal Assistance The president criticizing her last night. But just this morning there is now reporting out of the Detroit. Free press about a memo. That went around the Henry. Ford Health Care Systems where they do talk about decisions that they are going to have to make between patients who have the best chance of surviving in those. Who Don't here's quoting from the memo patients who have the best chance of getting better. Our First Priority Asians will be evaluated for the Best Plan. Cure and dying patients will be provided comfort care. This is causing a lot of fear in states like Michigan. But what I can report to you is that it's not just the ventilator situation even though that is the most pressing Willie I spoken exclusive interview last night with William J quiz. He is the representative for thirty eight thousand emergency medicine doctors around the country. He spoke after governor. Cuomo said that supplies were adequate. He said this is true however that is only true because standards had so lowered in the United States for what is adequate that is assuming that doctors are willing to Reuse Masks in Bleach Stem Warren. Five Times that is adequate. If you're wearing the same gowns that you wear a traditional hospital setting traditional surgical masks in gowns which are inadequate in this situation. Look at the difference between how are lock. Doctors Look at how the doctors in South Korea look. They're covered head to toe in these tie. Beck bunny suits. He's jumpsuits which were only now starting to import because Dupont creates the material here but then they send it to Southeast Asia where it's all manufactured. Nbc News. We'll be catching some of those pallets coming in today for the first time. Doctors are begging for these Willie. I talk to a doctor in south Florida. Who picked up the phone himself and tried to get a supply line to China going because he has the Cleveland Clinic in other major institutions begging for type of protective gear. This is why we're starting to see in part so many hospital workers infected in places like Boston. Yeah by the way in south Florida. The first doctor a medical professional to be killed by Corona virus yesterday 67-year-old from Margate Florida as Heidi mentioned in an interview on Fox News last night president trump went after three democratic governors. Who have been critical of the federal government's response to the corona virus outbreak in the US. New York's Andrew Cuomo Michigan Scratch and Whitmer and Washington state's Jay inslee most notably trump questioned cuomo statement about how many ventilators New York needs. New York is a bigger deal. But it's good to go also but I have a feeling that A lot of the numbers that are being set in some areas. They're just bigger than they are going to be. I don't believe you need forty thousand or thirty thousand ventilators you two major hospital. Sometimes I'll have to ventilators and now all of a sudden they're saying can we order thirty thousand? Ventilators your governor of Michigan. I mean. He's not stepping up. I don't know if she knows what's going on. But all she does is sit there and blame the federal government's she doesn't get it done and we send her a lot now. She wants a declaration of emergency and You know we have to make a decision on that but Michigan is a very important state. I love the people of Michigan. What they do. I'm the one you know. I'm bringing it back. Many many car factories into Michigan and she is a new governor. And it's not been pleasant. We have people like governor inslee. He should be doing more. He shouldn't be relying on the Federal Government Governor Engineering. That's the state of Washington. He was failed presidential candidate. And you know he's always complaining so putting aside the fact that it is incredible that this president is lashing out at governors and criticizing them and mocking them at this time. Jonathan Lemere his refusal to use the defense production. Act His refusal to actually organize this from the top and streamline the production of supplies to get them to the states only. He has the power to do that. And President Trump is choosing not to help states deal with this crisis in the most quick and effective way. Let me say it again. President trump is making the choice to not help the states in the most quick and effective way. He's making that choice and leaving this to them and now I fear Jonathan Lemaire and I wonder if you agree with this. What you see happening is the next phase of this this county by county plan which looks like total chaos basically leaving it to the counties to figure out how to separate themselves from worst to best this is insanity and. I wonder what the governor's reactions must have been when they got this letter yesterday with this ridiculous ridiculous plan governor mega or at the front line this pandemic and have been from the beginning and there is a great debate in State House across the countries how to best approach the Federal Government. Do try to fight or try to flatter. President trump is that dynamic were governors are making decisions they they need. They need federal response. That can't do it on their own. They're trying to deal with a unique situation. That price president who pays an unprecedented amount of attention to particular media coverage and how the governor's treat him mess. Were seen the last couple of days. My colleague and I are. We reported on this story just yesterday before news of this phone call president. How the governor's which I'll get to in a second including Governor Cuomo. Who told aides about a week or so ago at the time? He was deeply frustrated with the federal response. But he figured the best way to motivate the president to do more would actually go on TV and flatter him. Even though at that moment cuomo felt the president hadn't done anything to warrant that race but he did a did then again later in a phone call the president. The president told you around in the Hey Andrew. Cuomo said really nice things about me and then changed his own rhetoric to the governor. Now we've seen the last couple of days. It has now changed. Back has been very hot and cold but yesterday in the interview with with Fox News reflects were happened earlier in the in a phone. Call the president. Had with the governor's in which Jay inslee really urged to step up because the president had said to them and this is the message. We're getting from them from him over that the states should play the primary role and the federal government has fastly. Larger RESOURCES WILL BE THEIR BACKUP. Will help as needed and Jay. Inslee said to him in that call. We don't need a backup. We need a Tom Brady. Meaning we need a starting star quarterback to lead the way lead a president to take the helm here and trump irritated by that on the call and then we heard him last. Night is looking for the states to step up. And that's also why the Defense Production Act Meek as a final point. He is reluctant to say it. Because this way cheap. The onus on the states rather than the federal government's mobilization if things take a turn for the worse so really quickly Zeke Emmanuel and I know we want to get to Jon Meacham but the concern is every day when the president sort of throws out these bombs that he's deflecting from our total incompetence at this point because there is no mass testing. How far away are we from real testing across the board not some testing for some some testing for others testing? That doesn't match. How far away are we from being out of the dark honestly? I don't know because we've had so many mistakes with the testing. I do think we have a massively improved attached but it's nowhere near adequate You know we have. What about four or five hundred thousand cash in this country Comparable to South Korea and yet were seven times larger than South Korea. So it gives you a sense of how our behind and we have to do smart testing. It's not just test test. We need to know what the prevalence in the community is. We need to have some good surveys and we need to also begin testing people. Who aren't thematic. The threshold for still remains way too. High and getting the results is too long. I just got an email yesterday for professor out. Insert California nine days waiting for the result. That is totally unacceptable and again this is just time we wasted between January and now not getting things arranged and having multiple mistakes along the way to get testing out and the last thing we need to pull that testing out of hospitals you don't need health professionals risking getting sick and having lots of people who might have corona virus right near hospitals. We have to get it all out of the hospitals and healthcare system into these mobile drive-thru walkup places. That's just as important because we need to keep the those people who might be positive away from a hospital emergency room where there may be people who aren't positive Jon Meacham. It's been fascinating to watch. His Johnson Linear just reported out these governors learn what world leaders have learned over the last three years in dealing with Donald Trump in that. Is that flattery? Might end up getting you. What you need in a crisis it might end up getting you those ventilators Andrew Cuomo. The governor of New York who's known Donald Trump for decades clearly knows this and has known this for a long time so they've had to tap dance around the personality that's in the Oval Office to get literally life-saving protection lifesaving equipment and there have been moments. You've heard Governor Cuomo say for the life of me. I don't understand why we haven't invoked the defense production act but by and large. They've learned that flattery is the way to get what you need from this president and it's fundamentally un-american. I mean one of the reasons we fought the American revolution was to avoid having our fates be subject to the whims of Kink at least in the popular imagination that was a central force behind the creation of the republic. America was supposed to put reason at the center of the National Enterprise and there. I can't imagine another situation which is more designed Better for they send centrality of data and the dictates of science and the fact that this sounds partisan is heartbreaking. But we're living in a polarized pandemic. It's it's incredible We've managed now to take everything including a life and death invisible and totally chaos inducing disease and turn it into a red blue issue. My heart sank last night when I was looking at the map. of the outbreaks and realized how closely it seems to track the Red Blue County by county map. I urge folks to look at that because I think tragically there's GonNa be some reflection of people's there's clearly a reflection of how people view the virus with their political views and one of the things we have to figure out a way to do in midst of the fear in the midst of the anxiety is. Can we follow the data? Can we follow? The doctors? Can the doctors to go to your point. Resist that monarchical pressure to make the king happy seems to me that's central obligation of the medical professionals and of the citizens you know. Let's see if there's any way at all let's try not to fall into this ambient tribalism you know you can disagree with the president on everything and still think maybe he has a point on this or that you can be for the president dispatch everything and think you know what I think. He's got that wrong. That that's called reason right. That's called America. You follow the data and at this. Point is a matter of life and death. Yeah I mean here's Arrays Hell right and you sorry just going to say if you dare raise hell if you because literally the life of your citizens depends on it. He calls into Sean Hannity. Show and rips you as a failed presidential candidate. That's the balanced governors are looking at. Yeah but the lesson is no matter what you do. He won't be there for you when you need them. And he'll on you in a heartbeat so I don't know maybe that approach just puts off the evitable but we'll stick to facts here because I do agree with Jon Meacham as you watch this pandemic pandemic Sort of play out. It is so polarized at this time given where we were before it broke out but look at this fact in Palm Beach County Florida okay. We're there are many many senior citizens where mar-a-lago sits population of one point. Four million Floridians can many tests have been given one thousand one hundred sixty six. That's point one percent of the third largest county in the state and also an area that is supposed to be the next hotspot. We are way behind and the folks in the front lines are predicting a horror show in places like New York City. I don't know I'm not sure how they turn this around at this point still ahead on Morning Joe from our NBC affiliate in Boston Surging Corona virus cases in New York prompt serious measures in New England. We'll talk to Boston mayor. Marty Walsh about his cities fight against the pandemic straight ahead but first as Dr Manual rights. Trump's not a doctor. He's only playing one on TV and the president was added again last night morning. Jobs back in a moment. We just wanted to be treated fairly like a lot of shooting happening. I don't care what he says. He's not getting high. Everyone is mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of a new podcast into America featuring the journalist of NBC News. It's a show about politics about policy and about the power. That both had shaping the lives of the American people. The roller coaster is not any easier to stomach now than it was two years ago. Each week we're going into America to tell voters stories for the country doesn't mean that we should vote. You can find new episodes of into America and your feet every Thursday to subscribe search into America. Wherever you're listening right now everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America. There are thirty million uninsured Americans across the country and in our latest episode. We're heading to Charlotte North Carolina to find out what it's like to face a pandemic without healthcare coverage plus a doctor who primarily served uninsured explains how spread of. Corona virus is pushing her clinic to its limits. It would be at least fifty dollars total for them to get tested. The first patient that we tried to send to this testing site said I'm going to pass because I won't be able to have groceries this week if I do that. Subscribe for Free. Wherever you get your podcast. Twenty eight past the hour. President trump continues to tout hydroxy chloroquine a common anti-malaria drug as a potential treatment for Kovic nineteen even though there have been no evidence as to whether it is safe to use to fight the coronavirus speaking on Fox News last night trump said there was no risk and using drugs that have already been approved for different purposes. Those really positive things. I think you're seeing what I'm seeing some incredibly positive things than it's You know affecting the immune system and lots of other elements are at work and you know these are all game changers by the way this. Is You know this? This really solves the problem. I mean getting a vaccine is important but we could do something like as an example of we had some therapeutically where one of these numerous items that. We're testing right now. I mean literally tested right now. If any of this work this is a game changer. And you know there's no risk when it's already out there in a different form for a different purpose so we're going to see how it all comes out and we're very just started so You probably know before me. Okay 'cause you know all of these things and you you really were on it. But you've also seen some of the other things aside from that you've seen some some incredible potential from the medicines. And we hope we we're going to be able to find it quickly Zeke The President says they're testing it right now but then also says it works What's the truth? Well I noticed there. He says this is a game changer. If you were a scientist and if you were rigorous about this you would say potential game changer. We have been filled in medicine with lots of things that we think. Do Work Working. Animals that are promising. Biological Mechanism makes sense and they don't work in people. I'm a college EST and we've seen this over and over again. We've had a number of cases actually a ready of some things that have been tried in corona virus. That don't work. The New England Journal a few weeks ago had a paper about a couple of the drugs we have to do. Rigorous studies hopes traumatises. Those are not good enough because these drugs do have side effects and people to be aware of that and we don't know whether a they might actually cause problems with the disease actually make it work. Sometimes you give drugs thinking. They should work and they actually actually exacerbate a problem. You know there is no way of getting effective treatments to people unless you determine that they're safe and effective and that can only be done through randomized clinical trials. Fortunately that's what is going on and I would not pronounce before we have the data. It just doesn't make any sense to say it's going to be a game changer. Inevitably we're going to get something that might not happen and raising hopes for people like a man I think in Arizona who went out and ate his wife's fish chloroquine died from it That is a terrible terrible outcome. And that was of course to the wife directly tied to the president promoting this drug and the guy didn't even have corona virus. Just a terrible situation. We need research and only research can determine whether it's safe effective and that will take time. We're impatient we have a humanitarian interest in trying to save the most lives but the only way to do that is through rigorous research to prove whether these drugs work or not that meant that man who died drank fish tank cleaner that contain that ingredient. Dr Manuals talking about Heidi yesterday at the White House briefing. Dr Deborah burks talked about a couple hot spots where she's very concerned. Cook County Illinois. Which is Chicago Wayne County Michigan Detroit and the surrounding areas? You started to re portions of a letter that really sheds light on what doctors in Detroit doctors and Michigan are feeling right now and some of the desperation they have and some of the choices that they may have to make inside those hospitals. You really have to my Wayne County native than them. Good friend of mine. Ron Corny message. She won't mind me sharing messages. Said he was so upset and couldn't sleep. And he flagged me on this memo which now has been confirmed by Henry Ford health care system that were circulating among doctors and it says quote because of shortages we will need to be careful with resources patients who have the best chance of getting better our our first priority patients will be evaluated for the best plan of care and dying patients will be added comfort care. He will didn't believe that this was real. There was a lot of upset and finally last night Henry. Ford Health System had to respond round eleven thirty p. m. last night Saying that this was in fact accurate and they said look quote with a pandemic we must be prepared for the worst case with collective wisdom Ramar industry. We crafted a policy to provide guidance for making difficult patient care decisions. We hope never to have to apply them. We will always utilize every resource to care for patients. But Look I've been looking at the reports out of Detroit and cases are spiking. Their hospitals are filling up. If this isn't a case study for why the DP the Defense Production Act needs to be activated. I don't know what is the governor. There is begging. She's now becoming the new New New York. Her safe where ventilators. Just concerned about ventilators being short Supply about hospital capacity and asking the federal government to please step in and look. This is not just the governor's based on my reporting this is the American. Medical Association used the Emergency Room Doctors. We had a union yesterday. Find Thirty nine million and ninety five masks. The question by these experts is why. Isn't this the Federal Government Jonathan Lemaire? These are conversations this one we can see in a letter in a memo. These are conversations that are happening privately and meetings at hospitals across the country about choices that doctors may have to make about life and death which as a backdrop. Then I would ask you about the president's proposal last night made in that interview with Sean. Hannity about reopening in phases portions of the economy. I think he called them. Quadrants the states where right now as we look at this snapshot of. One day they're lower number of cases he said could get back to work perhaps even by that eastern deadline. He's talked about but as you listen to that information. Out of Wayne County Michigan difference hot spots around the country. Do you have any sense for how this plan might work? How will he decide which states which cities are ready to go back to work? It's still being determined. It should be noted. The people around the president are really trying to encourage him to look at Easter. It's more aspirational date. Not a concrete restarting day for the US economy. But he is. He is at least for now forty four. We did hear him saying that reform yesterday that he would listen to health experts. He'd listened to doctors will see but we know that this is something that he really wants and there are some donors are urging to do so that call yesterday. There are some Republicans governors from states. Who have not been that deeply affected together of South Carolina who urged the president of the nations to get back to work me to get back to business so this might be a moment where the president and again this is still determined again to recede some of this control local authorities and this is where we point out in a lot of the lockdowns shutdowns have been done by governors and mayors not from federal edict. So there's a limit to what the president can do here for some of these states he cannot if to say. Hey Newark should come back to business on Czar Andrew. Cuomo would say no but this plan itself is. We're looking at that map. That map is a snapshot for today. Things to look very different in a few weeks for Easter for instance the surge case restoring seeing now as I mentioned in Detroit there's a surge of cases in Chicago a surge of cases in Florida and a particularly troubling wanted New Orleans where they think the virus is really spread during the Mardi gras celebration of weeks ago. The map could look very different. The virus is travel to areas. That are at the moment less effective and some of these areas in these. These were rural states. The door they do not have necessarily the healthcare facilities at some of the big cities do and therefore while the numbers might not be as the density is less. There comes to be equally as tragic Zeke before you go Looking at the severity of this across the country without testing and with such pitiful testing at this point in this country is far behind others in terms of being able to end this to flatten the curve. But I want to get into New York and how we are not a slow motion train wreck in New York City that is not even close to being slowed down. You have people doing testing still in the hospitals that you pointed out earlier if you get the testing out of the hospital. Is You get? The potential. Koran virus spread array from the hospital to hospitals are huge clusters. Right now and they're also people like police officers. Ambulance workers healthcare workers who are going home to their families with potential exposure. Are we using all of the resources in New York hotels and other spaces where people can isolate themselves because it seems like we're not even close to really being able to understand how to contain this in New York City? Make I think the desperation in your voice is exactly the right response. We do have a major crisis in New York. We have to use every empty resource. Are we do need that hospital ship? We need makeshift facilities. In and around the country I think is Was said by Jonathan. This is going to break out places we don't anticipate in. New York is just a leading edge. It's by no means going to be alone in this I do think. Also we need to be aware that social distancing has to be enforced much more rigorously and the unfortunate fact is it's GonNa take about four weeks to get to the top of the peak. If we had effective social distancing and those four weeks are going to be nothing short of hell for the front line positions and first responders and as you correctly pointed out you know first line responders like policemen go home and they if they got corona virus are going to spread it to the family. Those people need to be isolated. So that they don't spread it to other people and that's the only way we're going to be able to keep a handle clamp this down sufficiently but between now and then it is going to get worse we are not at the top of the curve yet and that means a lot more people are going to be infected and we are going to face a lot more shortages. We just had to pay a paper in Monday. The New England Journal about how to deal with these rationing situation and one of the most important things is for doctors nurses and everyone else involved. It's really traumatic. It creates a burnout which we can't not have at this moment so hospitals to step in with other groups in frontline to doctors making those decisions and they need clear priorities for that. And I think you know we're we're going through a very very traumatic situation for everyone. We should also remember. There are people with other diseases. The other diseases heart disease cancer didn't go away and we're not adequately caring for those people and they do need care to people on the front lines. Need a place to stay AIRBNB as stepping off working with their hosts but really there is not a plan to separate people isolate them Jonathan Lemere Heidi Priscilla Dr Zeke Emanuel. Thank you all for being on this morning coming up. Our next guest doesn't just treat infectious disease himself. He teaches other physicians to do it too. So what's his advice to healthcare workers on the frontlines? That conversation is just ahead on morning. Joe But when you talk about ventilators that's sorta like buying a car. It's a highly. It's very expensive. It's a very intricate piece of equipment. You know what it is heavily computerized and you know the good ones are very very expensive. President trump last night lamenting over the cost of these life saving machines. Let's bring in morning Joe Chief. Medical correspondent Dr Dave Campbell. Dave you're taking a closer look at these ventilators the issue a shortage and specifically New York hospitals being approved for ventilator splitting. What is that will it work could double the number of ventilators in the US make it? The short answer is no it will not double the number of ventilators but it can significantly increase them. There are conflicts in that where some experts suggest that. That's not a good idea but New York has already started. There's even a system in place. Now that can split a ventilator for four patients so this is great news but it is really pushing the envelope of safety in desperate times like this though perhaps pushing. That envelope is appropriate Meeker Attorney General William Bar directed the Federal Bureau of Prisons yesterday to expand the use of home confinement for some inmates amid growing concerns about the spread of the virus jails across the US according to the New York Times Bar wrote a memo to the agency saying to prioritize. Granting home confinement to inmates who were convicted of low level crimes have shown good conduct behind bars and have plans for release. That won't put them and others at greater risk for contracting the deadly virus. Dr Dave it seems to me though that there are outbreaks in prisons right. Now I've been reading from around the Country Alabama. Rikers has at least forty cases. This could be chaotic. Make their outbreaks in prisons and jails across the world and the idea of leaving prisoners in inmates in jails and prisons is a recipe for having this corona virus spread like wildfire but there are obviously safety concerns for releasing people into the community that either are healthy or shouldn't be left to their own resources in the community. So it's a horrible dilemma. That we face but at the end of the day prisons and facilities where there are incarcerated. People are like Petri dishes and anything that can be done if nothing else to protect the guards but the prisoners and the inmates the incarcerated people also have families at home. They have no problems of their own that we have to take into consideration. Yeah there are reports Dr Dave that at major prison facilities. There are no masks. There's no protective gear and the prison workers are getting really really scared. Dr Dave Campbell. Thank you very much. Meanwhile Mika major hospitals in Boston or seeing a big spike in infected health care workers with a number doubling to more than one hundred sixty just in the past two days. The Boston Globe is reporting. The rise in infections among staff are raising alarms about the ability of healthcare systems to handle the large influx of potential. Kobe nineteen patients infections are multiplying at an alarming rate with the number of cases at Massachusetts. Geno quadrupling from just earlier this week. Boston's major healthcare systems are reporting. The infections are not clustered to one area of the hospital and some infections include non-clinical workers leading officials to believe community spread was involved as opposed to direct contact with infected patients when staff members are infected. It causes a ripple effect across the hospital forcing quarantining and a heavier workload for the remaining workers putting those staff members at risk. Let's bring in Dr Joshua Rocus. He's an assistant professor of medicine at the Boston University School of Medicine and Infectious Diseases Physician at Boston Medical Center Dr Brokers. Thank you for taking time with us this morning. You OBVIOUSLY UP IN BOSTON. Have a collection of some of the very best hospitals in the world. Just give us a snapshot. We gave a little bit of information there. What it looks like in those emergency rooms what it looks like in those. Icu's up in Boston right now as it relates to corona virus. So it's It they're crowded The people are I would say that. There's not necessarily chaos and I wanNA project as much calm as as humanly possible. Our nurses and our doctors our entire staff are doing an amazing job at projecting that call at remaining calm and sort of implementing. What they've they've learned to do over years of training that said There's a constant influx of patients. I'm on the phone constantly with the discharge planners trying to figure out when someone can be discharged where they can be discharged to if it's safe to be discharged This is a total team effort in. It's taking a lot of of human resource right now. as well as tangible resources we've heard specifically in New York City but across the country about the desperate need and hospitals for personal protective equipment. Mass gowns gloves. Booties things like that. Where does that stand at your hospital and hospital's up in Boston? Desperate is the need there. This is an ongoing discussion every day in our in our section And I know that across the hospital. Currently we have a a mask policy in place here at Boston. Medical Center which is consistent with what's happening at mass general across town Where we're giving workers a mask tease for the day. We currently have a supply that is adequate for the time being but looking at projections. We really have to think about where we're headed and And and it doesn't necessarily look good As as many of your guests already said the supply chains are difficult day I was watching Governor Baker. Give a press conference and it was. It was clearer his His frustration with the supply chain and. I'm certainly not speaking for the governor was just as a constituent it was actually somewhat reassuring to know that we were at least all in this together here in Massachusetts Dr Broken so I was struck by something posted on on social media where you said as you prepare to leave your wife and your kids for a while and go into these icy us in these emergency rooms you said. I am scared but my community needs me. Which is what I've heard from doctors across the country and why you all are be calling rightfully being called heroes for what you're doing. You have right now an audience. President trump is tangling with governors. But he does seem to listen to doctors. People who are in the fight directly what would you say not just to the president but to the federal government? What are you need at your hospital? And how soon do you need it? So we're thinking things in three terms space staff and stuff so right now Our governor is working in. Our mayor is working to To find space for all of the healthcare workers that may need to be quarantined and also all of our urban populations here in Massachusetts people who are experiencing homelessness and making sure that they have a safe place to go with regard to staff We are we need the president and the federal government to To be in line with this idea that we're not anywhere ahead of this yet. We're still on the upslope at a curve and so We need to make sure that the community and the public knows that the best thing they can do to protect the staff is to stay at home to wash their hands to practice social distancing all of the things that we've been saying for weeks and then finally we need stuff. This supply chains are know a difficult thing. We have a group of a medical students and residents who are who are collecting masks and ninety five from the community We're I've seen this across the country and I really think that right now unless there's a big shift in how we We get masked other. Ppa to to our healthcare workers were gonNA have problems with the other two S.'s. The other two staff and stop the other The staff and the space while Dr Joshua Brokers. I know the people of Boston are grateful in the country is grateful for people like you. We appreciate you taking some time. You know how busy it is for you right now. Thanks for being here and thanks for all. You're doing my pleasure thank you.

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The World's Best Healthcare Systems: Ezekiel Emanuel

How Do We Fix It?

24:48 min | 3 months ago

The World's Best Healthcare Systems: Ezekiel Emanuel

"Richard. We're about to venture into a topic that can be a bit of a quagmire for people who comment on public policy. Yup, how good or bad is America's? System, we spend vast amounts of money in our country far more than any other nation. But how does the US system actually compare with others around the world? which country has the world's best healthcare Doctor Ezekiel Emanuel? Well. Every country feels like it's healthcare. Costs are high are stratospheric. They just feel there's a high and putting pressure on both governments ending an individual spending, our drug costs are way higher than any other countries, but every country is feeling pressure from drug costs. Our show is about fixes. Yeah, how to make the world a better place. How do we fix it? Nick sent. With the code pandemic and the upcoming presidential election this year proposals to reform the health care system are front and center. When aren't they? But you know there's so many slogans around this and so much political heat on both sides, and they don't do that much. Really understanding as we saw up and say on this podcast Richard It's complicated. Yeah, so today we consider how America's healthcare system compares with others around the world. Can we learn lessons from other nations, professor bioethicists and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. Emanuel is an expert on healthcare systems. He's a special advisor to the director general of the world. Health Organization. He was a senior adviser in the Obama. Administration Dr Emmanuel's new book. which country has the world's best healthcare? He's also the host of a podcast about the coronavirus pandemic called making the call. He joins us from Washington DC. Welcome to how do we fix it? Great to be here, guys, thank you very much for having welcome and if call Z.. Everyone else does. That's what I've heard. Okay, so let's start with the pandemic. Obviously, it's the thing that's been consuming all of us. What you think is the greatest lesson or lessons that we've learned over the last few months. But I think the greatest lesson. Is that public health matters really work, and if you implement them stringently in seriously, you can get to the top of the curve and come back down the other end of the curve, and you can actually slowly and methodically open up your economy, because you can identify outbreaks and easily do contact tracing an isolation unfortunately in general. We haven't done that. In the United, states other countries have done that much more successfully, and we have been unable to do these kinds of stringent measures speaking of Covid, and the fact that you have studied other countries health systems in such detail. Are there two or three countries that you did look at that have performed especially well in this current emergency. Yes and the standout country is Taiwan they have performed the best in the world. In my humble opinion they have less than five hundred cases, and just seven deaths could have been a disaster in Taiwan. They're less than one hundred miles off China. A million Taiwanese work in China and there are hundreds of flights daily between Taiwan and China and yet they avoided disaster, and there are many elements to that one is very suspicious of China. Cyrus thought that the be suspicious of infectious agents arising. Arising from China second, they have a face mask. Culture is a colleague of mine, said and so wearing face masks to prevent infection. Is something very common in Taiwan, and that goes along way as we're now learning, and the third most important thing which relates to my study is that they actually have this health card and the health card alerts the Ministry of Health Anytime. Someone visit the doctor why they visited. The chargers were in terms of tests and treatments, and they use that information. To limit the immigration and custom information allowed them to identify people who into to. China it also allowed them to identify people who had respiratory symptoms, but were negative for influenza, and therefore they could suggest that there doctor test these people. They've been to Wuhan or test these people. They have respiratory symptoms. Maybe they have covert, and that really rapidly allowed them to identify everyone and tamp down the spread quite rapidly, and that health car is part of their healthcare system, not part of public health infrastructure we spoke with. The bureau chief in Taiwan to talk about their success story, and if you haven't heard that episode is certainly worth listening to, so you mentioned the health card in Taiwan. We don't have anything like that in the US, do we and in fact our electronic record keeping kind of a mess I wouldn't say it's a mess I mean. Since the Recovery Act where the federal government funded hospitals and doctors to put in place electronic records, we have created that infrastructure where we are in a mess are two things we don't have interoperability. Interoperability so sending information from one system to another system that is still a mass on the other hand. We also do have a culture where people are suspicious of either giving their information to the government or giving their health information to private companies. I think a lot of people feel like they're exploited. They're commercializing information rather than using it for my benefit But we could create I. Think a neutral third party. That's not gonNA. COMMERCIALIZES exploit people simply use it to promote health and I. DO THINK THAT WOULD BE A. Huge advantage, especially in things like pandemic influenza outbreaks or measles outbreaks to really understand and rapidly get the healthcare system to respond you know Americans are just fed up with our system, and and I think a lot of it's assume that some other country the UK or Germany or are somebody else must have a much better system I know. That was the impetus for this particular book, but you say other countries do face a lot of similar challenges. What are they? Well? Every country feels like it's healthcare. Costs are high. Ours are stratospheric vacant field. There's. And putting pressure on both government, spending and individual spending again, our drug costs are way higher than any other countries, but every country is feeling pressure from drug costs. A second common stressor is long-term care. All the populations are aging. Not many countries have actually put in financing structure for long term care. Then there's the problem of chronic care management. All the healthcare systems in the Western world and Taiwan and other places are built on acute care. You go to the hospital. You get patched up. you go out, but eighty five cents of every dollar is spent on chronic year congestive heart failure, emphysema hypertension cancer as And they're going to the hospital. Getting patched up is not the right solution you need attention and you need to be able to self manage every day for the rest of your life, and that requires a different relationship, not providing care in the hospital moving to the outpatient, having doctors who proactively reach out to patients making sure they're hearing to medical regiments and adhering to a Medical Regiment for the rest of your life. It's really tough. So those are just some of the commonalities across all countries before we go further one of the eleven countries that you studied. Going on the Pacific Rim Australia Taiwan China Canada the United States, and then we did Britain. The UK Norway as our Scandinavian country, the Netherlands because it has managed competition Germany Switzerland because Switzerland tends to be a darling of conservatives who like free market system France because the French were rated number one by the World Health Organization back in two thousand and many people think they have an excellent system. You mentioned long-term healthcare, which is not exactly a headline news story we we had a lot of. Of debates around healthcare, but long term health care is is is a huge problem here in the US and other countries. Could you describe what you mean by the long term health care crisis so that you know people? Perhaps you haven't been really up on that. have a have a better sense of while the people who are experts in the field talk about a to Nami of patients coming because as the life expectancy increases, you get more people living into their eighties and nineties they have. Have multiple chronic conditions typically, so you have a situation where a lot of people become dependent. They need someone to help them with their medical care, or they're living alone just too much for them to do all the things that require going out shopping and other things. It's become a major crisis everywhere. Is it nursing home? Most countries are moving. What's called aging in place allowing people to stay in their homes or stay in their relatives homes and supporting that financially giving them some money either have A. A relative care for them or to have an outside caregiver to come into the house, but as far as we can tell from the eleven different countries we looked at only two of them have a solid financial mechanism for long term care the Netherlands, and Germany everyone else is putting together with baling wire and chewing gum as more and more of the population ages. It's huge problem and it's even worse than China than many other places because they had the one child policy, so you have one daughter. daughter-in-law caring for four parents and that is a huge huge burden. You write that with all the problems we have in the US healthcare system. You call it the best at innovations. Why is that? Why, because we have a lot of problems, so we have to be innovative to solve some of those problems so I think that's one of the inputs. We have higher costs. We don't have universal coverage. We have uneven quality and I think that has really inspired a lot of attempts at Innovation I. also think it's in the culture here. We tend to be the most innovative people in. In the world, typically that had been directed at you know new surgical procedures or new drugs or new imaging mechanisms, but increasingly it's also been directed at new ways of delivering care. New ways of financing care new ways of trying to get people optimal care monitoring them at home. Is there some center which may be the rest of the world? Benefits from are ridiculously expensive, inefficient but innovative. Innovative System I mean you mentioned all the drugs that we pay a huge amount of money for? But once they're invented, they go around the world and ultimately get a lot cheaper, but say yes, or no to that question, it is a case that we do invent a lot of drugs large part. We have this huge incentive because we pay more than any other country by a long. Long shot the United States about four percent of the world's population of we spend about forty to forty five percent of the world's spending on drugs, and it is true that a lot of the innovations here to the rest of the world, but don't forget a lot of the big drug. Companies Aren't American Novartis Roche. Zenica so you know there's a lot of other companies out there. It's how do we fix it I'm Richard Davies and I'm Jim. Meant and we're speaking with Dr. Zeki Emmanuel about his new book. which country has the world's best healthcare? Zeke I'm struck by your humility. One of the most interesting things I've learned from you is the complexity of the US healthcare system is somewhat overwhelming and that it's difficult for patients to navigate. Why is it so complex? I think you know it's the way we end up reforming it. We couldn't do a big reform that just took the whole system and redid it in a rational way, and I think President Obama was pretty overt about this. You said you know. If we were redesigning the whole system, we might go to a single payer. We might do some other. Reform but instead of doing a comprehensive reform, we tend to do Salami slicing so you know we do Medicare for the elderly Medicaid which is structured differently for low income individuals. When we did the ACA while some people who are higher income, we put them in an exchange which were created nearly, and then we put other people into Medicaid when Bill Clinton couldn't pass. Pass his hopper heads of healthcare reform. He added Chip Children's plans on top of Medicaid with different rules. We do this layering on and the layering on becomes a mess and often has contradictory policies. Let me just tell you one which I'm affiliated with this part of the ACA, so for Medicaid. We assess your income eligibility for Medicaid by looking at the last months. In but for the exchanges we look. To last year's income or two years ago, income actually, and that is like. Why are these two different? Eligibility policies they don't make any sense. It becomes complicated to figure out which one you're eligible for and most countries, no all countries have a much simpler system, and when you have a simpler system to things are possible you get everyone enrolled, and it's administratively much cheaper and speaking of that. It's also very difficult for people to navigate it. I know that that in our household for instance. Instance I do all bills except for healthcare and I. Think I've got a better deal than than my wife Oh. Yeah. Absolutely, the bills are a problem knowing what's covered is a problem knowing how much you owe is a problem, and these problems are if they exist in other countries are much much smaller. What do you think is the most important step we can take right now. We cannot get to universal coverage on the current structure. We have fourteen states, taxes, Florida Georgia and eleven others implacably against expanding Medicaid air go. There is no way in the United States to get to ninety nine plus percent coverage. There is no universal coverage mechanism to get the universal coverage. We are going to have to federalize Medicaid and take it away from the states so that is important and I. Think if we do that, we could simplify the system. And that's important. We also have to add on auto enrollment so people. Someone who hasn't signed up for insurance or doesn't have employer. They automatically get enrolled into whatever we're GONNA create as a substitute for Medicaid that will be hugely beneficial. It will get us the ninety nine percent coverage. It'll simplify the system, and it will reduce administrative costs so I think that's one I. also think we ought to regulate drug prices their way too high I think we have to regulate the prices and other parts of the healthcare system like hospitals for private insurance. They become just way too high also. Z. Few years ago, you wrote a very famous article for the Atlantic called I hope I die at seventy five. You were born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, seven, as was I, so I think we've got about thirteen years left. How are you feeling about that now? I'm feeling great. So first of all, let's clarify for your listeners. Authors do not choose titles and that title doesn't like what I argue that as a Long Time magazine editor, I can vouch for that. We were always, but in headlines on articles it would exaggerate the core thesis of the peace in ways that sometimes really got writers truffle to drive sales. Let's be honest. Well my position in that paper is I want to clarify two things first of all. It was a personal philosophy of my philosophy. It's not a public policy philosophy. A lot of people who WanNa just a tag me from the right say. We don't want this guy in public policy. It's my personal philosophy. It has nothing to do with my public policy, and as you know from my activities and Cogan I'm trying to say the elderly in nursing homes and trying to make sure. Sure that they're well protected. I'm not trying to knock them off as some Republicans. Like the Lieutenant Governor of Texas seem to do second of all. My philosophy is not that I wanNA diet. Seventy five I helped lift past seventy five. My philosophy is I. Don't WanNa Take life-prolonging treatments after seventy five, but for example if I were running and broke my hip I would definitely get my hip replaced, but I also don't want to be infirm, incontinent and a burden on my family I'm. You set out when you started the research for your book to ask the question, which country has the best healthcare? What's the answer? Well it depends what metric you're using so, I. We're against the rankings that have been produced. There've been nine different rankings out there and they don't agree with each other. At, all, if you care about not paying money at the point of care, you know, you'll look coca Britain. You'll look to Canada. You'll look to Germany as models if you care about unlimited choice of any doctor Germany, Switzerland. France will rise to the top of your list. If you want low drug prices while you're probably looking at Norway Australia Taiwan, so it really depends what your criteria are. There are a group of countries we identified that do better on average, but what they do better in May, not be the thing you happen to be interested in. Your name comes up all the time. When people are talking about the future of healthcare policy in this country, especially, if there is a Biden administration, would that be something? You'd be interested in serving again in an administration in helping, bring some of these ideas to fruition. My parents raised us to measure our life by our contributions to American society, and what we can do to improve the situation in America public service is one way you can do it. and if called upon to serve in the government. Again I would be happy to do it. It was one of the most meaningful and rewarding things I my life when I served in the Obama Administration Dr Ezekiel Emanuel thanks for joining us on. How do we fix it? Thank you. This is actually been a great. Joy. Surprise. And before our conversation, it's our recommendation on something new this week. A recommendation from our producer Miranda Shaffer. Hi I'm just GONNA pop in here recommended amazing book by the writer. Louis, King it's called writers and lovers and it just a great woke about a young female writer, and it's a rare. Serious novel. That has a happy ending. Speaking of Happy Endings Richard which time for us to try to wrap up this massive topic and I think one thing that's impressive. A about Dr Manuals book is He's very modest about the fact that there is no one country of one model that we can turn to for easy answers in this debate this these this question will never be easy, and I think you and I probably come down on pretty different sides. Yeah I come down much more in favor of of universal health care and I think that absent any better solution there will have to be a stronger role for the federal government because the current system, it has many flaws. outrageously high drug prices also incredible complexity for patients to navigate the system and poor electronic record, keeping although as Zeke Emanuel points out. There have been some improvements in that in recent years, so of course I take the other side of this, but I i. WanNa completely agree. Our current system is a mess, and it's probably a mass because of years in years and layer upon layer, well-intentioned government programs to improve as Dr. Manual, said, but I'm very leery about an even more heavy handed role in healthcare, especially when it comes to things like regulating the price of drugs. There's never in history that I know of a case where you regulate prices something you get more of it so I looked up the most expensive drug that's on the market today. I'm pretty sure it's something called. zolkin's minds made by Novartis. And of course of treatment costs over two million dollars, so any normal Alexa than says. Wow, that's highway robbery. We should ban this kind of. Price Gouging on the part of sick people. But. So against MMA treats of very rare genetic disease, spinal muscular atrophy. It's a breakdown of the nerve cells that means a baby loses the ability to our small child. Elusive latest setup swallow eventually they can't even breathe about eighty percent die before their fourth birthday, but only a few hundred kids have this each year. So people who want to regulate these kinds of outrageous prices are basically telling the Pharma Companies Hey. Don't bother coming up with rare treatments. Will and I'm not choosy. Dr Manual of this exactly, but I'm saying. This is a long range effect of a price control regime I. don't see it as either or I think that there can be more price controls put in place, or at least a a stronger buying system for Medicaid and Medicare without completely abolishing. Abolishing incentives I think that we should be looking closely for instance at Switzerland, which is home to two of the world's largest Pharma companies, and seeing how you can have universal healthcare and have drug prices that aren't as outrageously high as they are. Now in the US we pay fifty six percent more for the average drug than European countries to that's that seems like a gap. That's just too large to some degree. Those companies are piggybacking on us. Right so, so we fix that problem by having less drugs, and it's not so much the drugs it exist. I'm always worried about how the affects your regulation create incentives down the road if you're some guy with a lot of money or your some. Pension Fund one invest in the highest return businesses. Are you going to invest in Pharma where the returns are capped and really limited or you going to move on and invest in some other field? Where you're you whether aren't you're not going to be facing price controls? All I know is that the US spends about eighteen percent of its gross national product on healthcare, and it's closer to ten percent in most countries with universal healthcare. I'm not saying we should borrow wholesale from every other country, but I think it forces us to look at that and say. There has to be a limit somewhere and I think that with healthcare. You're never going to have the perfect system where everybody gets everything they want. And I'm saying let's not screw it up even more. It's. How do we fix it I'm Richard Davies and I'm Jim begs. Thanks for joining us and our producer who you heard from earlier is Verandah Shaffer where production of Davies content we make podcast for companies and nonprofits. Check us out at Davies, content dot com, and if you want to support our solutions, podcast and please. Go to Patriotdepot DOT COM and chip in water five dollars a month or some other figuring that you can afford. To Patriot DOT COM and search. How do we fix it? Thanks for listening to. This podcast is part of the democracy group.

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Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

Coronavirus + Sports

25:48 min | 2 months ago

Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

"Previously on putting the. Players follow the rules. Will players keep a tight. though they'll setup. View here but was you make you? Stay. Three months. Straight hours of was. One Oh one. It's fine now, but it's all going to wear on these guys. In the coming weeks a month what we're really seeing is just kind of a microcosm of the situation in the country right there. Plenty of players that had issues with all this Kyrie Irving was one of the driving forces behind knocked going. But that brings us to a different set of circumstances, which is the social justice issues that are happening in this country right now, it'd be Kyri. was among many players that were troubled by the idea that with all that's going on in the country. They don't want to be a distraction to that. George voyeuristic base. Her family to know I want the state of Kentucky a feel for it and we want justice. I think all MBA players are doing a great job for keeping the movement alive. You know the league I think it's been a little clunky so far it sounds crass to say I don't know where the social justice stuff falls in their list of priorities just trying to sure everyone is safe and healthy right now. I think it's going to work I think it's certainly going to be different. For now, it seems like everything is breaking the right way for the NBA. Welcome to a new series from where we dive deep inside the return of the NBA and life inside the bubble on your host with military. Today predicting the outcome. Was the bubble a good idea. And now that we have seen the first few weeks of life inside of bubble. How can we ensure health and safety for all in both and finally what are the most factors to consider as this competition intensifies? From sports illustrated. This is putting the bump. We've learned a lot in our journey to understand how the NBA Orlando campus came to be, what life in the bubble is like for players and media and what to expect from the product on the court. Now as we look ahead to whether this grand sports experiment will work. We need to understand what's going on outside the bubble as well. We'll be talking to Dr Ezekiel. Emanuel a bioethicist who adviser a key architect of the affordable care act and the host of making the call podcast. Back in April during the height of the National Corona, virus shutdown I spoke with Dr Zeke Emanuel for us is corona virus sports podcast. When we first talked Dr Zeke told us to expect an overall timeline of twelve to eighteen months for sports to return. So we caught up with Dr Zeke on the eve of the NBA's return to action to understand fully where are now with the public health crisis in the country and will the NBA Holt. Dr Zeke will offer his thoughts on the ethical and medical aspects of the bubble and want to maybe anticipate he will aim to basically do something he's run a good at. Predicting the outcome from an ethics perspective you hear a lot of our conversation throughout this episode. Dr Zeke it's a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us. Good to be back with sports illustrated. At some point doctors e you could say I told you Sir because last time we spoke. It was really in the backdrop of something that you've brought up publicly about how this country will need twelve to eighteen months. Plan in order for things to really return back to normalcy the NBA returns with a bubble in Orlando Florida. And we will talk about all of this but the first question I have for you Dr Zeke is paint a picture. For us of how the health crisis. Has evolved or rather devolved I guess over the course of three months where are we right now as to when we last spoke? So the first thing to say is the good news. You know we know that steroids work and saving lives of seriously sick people with covert. We know that remedies aveer decreases hospitalization for people who are seriously ill and were well on our way towards a testing and evaluating the effectiveness of vaccines we've got one vaccine in an effectiveness trial. That's the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine. We've got to knocking at the door and we'll start a trials imminently in the next few days. Probably by the time the PODCAST is broadcast. That's the really good news I. Guess One other piece of good news is that New York City, which was a hot spot I think. When we were last talking has really successfully mitigated. It's crisis and is down low and I think could serve as an effective model. The bad news is we have more cases than ever every day being produced, and that's not as president trump says because of testing, it's because we have more cases thirty or forty states depending upon the day are hitting records in terms of new cases. The death rate was going down and it's now turned around and his going back up That's not good and we have I think expended or spent or wasted. The most valuable thing we have, which is the American people's perseverance and willingness to tough this out mostly because. We just haven't had plan. We haven't been able to do what Europe Canada has done, which is when we get to the top of that curve come down and come down very far for the so that the rate of transmission as low the number of new cases as low and it's safe to open up slowly mostly with outdoor. Events outdoor restaurants, outdoor activities of small groups so that if any cases arise, we can actually suppress them Instead you know places like Georgia and Alabama and Arizona and Texas and Florida rushed in opened up indoor items like indoor dining, indoor bars, beauty parlours, Tattoo Parlors. And places where large groups of people could congregate and we've seen the consequence you know big explosions and numbers of cases big explosions in terms of hospitalizations and then three or four weeks later, deaths It was all predictable unfortunately, and in some ways we're right back where we were three months ago. So in that list of states that you were talking about you. The last one you said was floored and Florida is the host state of the NBA bubble and you know the NBA is not the only one. We've had the WNBA and also mls who's already more than halfway through its tournament. All of this is happening in the state what is your view when it comes to hosting sporting events in a state? That's not a New York actually that's that's a state that's going even upwards when it comes to positive infections. It's a risk and it you know it's a bubble and to the extent that you can actually successfully sequester people and keep them inside the bubble. What's happening outside shouldn't matter. That's the whole point of a bubble On the other hand, you already had someone breached the bubble people want some relief and that's your problem I believe these players are you know they've already shown you there tempted to break the bubble even for minor things like getting food that's where the risk is going to be. They're going to interact with someone they're going to go to a bar they're going to do something that is going to increase the chance of transmission and that is the problem. Well from a safety perspective, it's looking good. NBA Senior writer Chris Mannix. Their processes are pretty solid. Their protocols are pretty solid and. I think everything is in a good place right now for the NBA. I do think that boredom will set in cabin fever will set in. That's Washington Post National NBA Bengal ever and the host of essays open floor podcast. It already feels a little bit like groundhog day. You know just kind of go through the same thing every day every day, and when you don't have the ability to go to a grocery store or you don't have the ability to hey I'm gonNA take a drive out to the ocean or do some of the like safer type of trips that people are able to do during quarantine those kinds of feeling set in. Right now players have assigned seats on on the bench. It took the players I. saw about you know one quarter to say screw it. I'm not sitting in my assigned seat and they just got up and sat anywhere and look I understand that there's not a huge need for social distancing players on a bench when they're out, they're not social distancing on the court. So I think there are some subtle. Things that will change and evolve with the NBA but there, there's going to be somebody that tries to burst the bubble like somebody. Whether it's a woman or otherwise somebody's going to try to. Stick somebody like I'm just convinced that going to happen not in the next couple of weeks, but maybe you get into. Early early. September. Maybe, it happens I think the saving grace for many players is that after the first round, you can bring friends and family in, and that's when they'll have a little bit more More normalcy to their lives. But the NBA's doing everything they can to to protect that bubble integrity. This bubble is paramount to the NBA because you know there's so much money on the line finishing the season. We're hearing a lot Dr Zeke about just a rigorous and almost Thinking when it comes to the league and how a wants to make sure that what you're saying Dawson that players don't break the rules that they stay inside this bobble that they follow the rules and if they do that, then hopefully things will be okay. It's also human nature for somebody especially a player when they're twenty, three, twenty, four years old living in three months. Situation is just beyond to happen that somebody might make a mistake. Would you say that that is the hardest obstacle that the NBA faces a player or a staff member breaking the rule and therefore really risking. A positive infection. Well. I. Don't know the hardest you want me to pick the absolute hardest but you know the NBA is doing a very good job of trying to ensure that everyone comes into the bubble is covid free right? You've got the Corinthian you've got the tests thing So they're doing of as rigorous job you can to try to make sure that they don't have people who are covid positive So then the really big risk is as you put it, someone's going to break the Corentin go out potentially run into someone who's covert positive especially given the frequency of covert in Florida and they're gonNA. Get infected themselves and spread it before they have been tested and that's a you know I can't say that you know whether it's the. Biggest. The NBA faces, but it is a one of the top ones I would agree with that. What would you say is another risk while another risk is anyone who's going to come in, bring in food, bring in new basketball's bring in whatever they need brought in on a daily basis. That's another place you could see a risk entering this scenario. Do you think that? It was a good idea to do this because ultimately when it comes to sports at least money is the driver right this. This is not not a coincidence. The reason why the NBA is doing this in Florida it's because of strong powerful relationship with Disney. Hands, the financial. Advantages, but do you do you think it was smart to do this? Why? Why would the nod work? My God. You sports journalists are cynical money. You don't think it's a love of the game. So. I do think that there's gotta be some love of the game going on here I. Certainly Hope so and I hope it's not only money but a- and let me say I wanNA qualify for people I do love basketball I love watching basketball. I was just watching you know right before everything hit in February or went to a A seventy sixers game that was just fantastic and thrilling. But I'm not a huge fan I'm not obsessive I could I could probably not tell you any single player on any team You know the the last time I was really a big fan was in. Amish a Chicago boy it was the Bulls Jordan everything. But I know and understand that sports is a huge part of American society and there are people for whom this is a very big issue. We are all being deprived of our regular parts of life. and. So I think restarting sports is important and I've written that you know we have to restart sports we have to be willing to take some risks to restart sports. So I'm all for the NBA doing this restarting. You know I have disagreements about how much testing they're doing and other things But do we need to have the NBA restart? Do we need to have the WNBA restart? Would it be good if the NFL started yes. This is this is a critical part of American life and I think it's important. Well. That's a very good point. The returned to normalcy is is is just as important as the need for attention to make sure that everybody's safe and by the way cynicism and his sports journalist is almost part of our. DNA. Dr. Zeke's. I guess the question is would this been you know one other conversations that we had is would this be in a better situation if we dealt with it in a state that wasn't as fragile as Florida? Does it make a difference to make something tournament like this in a state that perhaps as better control does it matter? Look I mean you have to bail on several things one thing you need to balances can you actually create a bubble and where is it best to create a bubble New York City is probably not the best place to create a bubble Just guessing the question is, yes Florida has a high transmission rate and that's bad in that introduces a lot of risk if people get outside the bubble, but you'll have to ask yourself where can you actually create a bubble that is most likely to be a effective, and that may, in fact, be the various facilities that the NBA the WNBA are using. Here's essays NBA writer Rohan narcotic if one way or another I think that this. is going to serve as an example for how this country needs to move forward and I. think that is really what I'm looking forward to is if it works now we have a concrete example of what wearing masks does. What's what contact tracing does what you know frequent testing does we need pat we need. We need an example of those things because. It's not happening at a large scale in this country on the flip side even if it doesn't work then I think we still have an example of we can't rush things back. You know these people poured hundreds of millions of dollars into this idea trying to make it work and they still were not able to because that's how unpredictable viruses and I think. One way or another I. my ultimate hope is that it gives people an example of of how this virus is going to be quote unquote defeated until there is a vaccine, how do you think the players react if the health risks escalate bubble hatch announced a tournament and the League? Adam Silver's said that he is willing to pull the plug on this. If there is a major outbreak, no one knows what that exact inflection point is i. almost think that if he NBA feels like they can contain v there's a situation where they can kick out only one team and everyone else can keep playing I think they will I think they will just to to finish the season live that national TV money come in. And kind of get through this campus situation. But I don't know that's speculation because again, we don't know what that put that break point is for them. If, there's a situation where they can only shutdown down one team part of me believes they would push forward and just kind of accept the resulting conversation about the competitive integrity. You know and kind of just chalk the season up to hey, this was always going to be a weird season. Is there a line? Do you think where the NBA which is pull the plug one player in a team? Perhaps as an enough, it would just be about sending up their home or even just quarantine but is there a line? Do you think were the league would say, okay, we we can't do this. We have to pull the plug. I suspect again, I haven't spoken to them. So I'm just speculating here if you end up with multiple players, four players on a team. Positive and four players on a second team positive or something white fat scenario where you know not only are you gonna it's not like sending one player home until they've got a team in, it's really not going to affect their ability but you're really knocking out the team and therefore you're knocking out the that actually is got to be there nightmare scenario I would think. What is your? You know you have your own podcast you talk about this on a daily to an audience. What is what is you know last time we talked there was this eighteen month prediction. What is what is the number? One thing that you're thinking about right now when it comes to this? Well, I would just one. I'm thinking. So I would say that there are two two major things. I. You got to be thinking about if we get a vaccine in the next six months for example, we figured out one that's moderately effective in seems to last a long time you gotta be worried how we going to deploy it and you know I think there's been so much focus on warp see. Let's get that vaccine that we haven't focused enough and. I think the political administration hasn't focused enough on. Well once you've got it, you've got to produce it. You've got to put it in vials and make sure rich sterile. You gotta distribute those vials and then you to administer it into people shoulder, and by the way you have to do that for something like two, hundred, thirty, two, two, hundred, and fifty, million Americans. Just, think about that, that's a huge daunting task. So that keeps me up at night and there are lots of stages there that I think could be serious barriers to actually effectively distributing the vaccine because that's what you need to do to get back to normalcy have two hundred and fifty million Americans immune to this thing through a vaccine and if the vaccine requires two. Doses then you have to give something like you know four, hundred, fifty to five, hundred, million shots at that is a just humongous mind boggling number and I don't think this administration has thought it through at all the second thing that keeps me up is. That you know the fall is going to be challenging seriously seriously challenging university is going to bring back people you're gonNA cold is going to start in the north and you're going to have people going inside in October November. That is a recipe for spread more seeing this. One of the reasons that it's spreading in the south now is is one hundred, sixteen degrees in Phoenix, where are people they're not outside sunning themselves or indoors with the air conditioning and indoors with recirculated air is how you end up with infections. I'm so those are things that worry me that we're GONNA have a big explosion of. Cases in the fall it's very, very depressing that people have their ability, their patients, their willingness to stick it out as been taxed, and the contradictory messages that the administration are giving. People are undermining their willingness to you know recharge over the summer and be willing to confront this again in the fall that bothers me so I. Worry that you know say trump losers, you get a new administration trying to get people to do the right thing to be bring the transmission rate down. So we can really get a handle on this thing may not be possible given how you know burned out basically, the American public will be. Do, you think the the NBA restart. Reflects the declining willingness to stick to stick this out. So you know what I mean is. There is still this. Push. To like we talked about you not just as passionate to return to normal and I think sports is a is a very good example of that. I don't know when I wrote but I, think sometime in April, we wrote an article for the Washington Post about bringing the NFL back and we suggested a bubble. Exactly. You know a similar bubble, a shortened eight game season. I am a big fan of that I think it's not a simple of exhaustion. It's a symbol of what can we do in this time when we are at home restricted and what we can do to bring back of normalcy you know having Games on TV so people can watch them. I think that would be fantastic it the time more bearable having new television series having new movies coming out not just watching reruns that I think is going to help people get through the tough times. By the way you could get through the tough times by you know listening to my podcast and reading books. There are lots of ways of doing it but I think fundamental to many people is you know watching TV watching movies watching sports I understand that and I think we should encourage that not discourage it. So I am off for bringing the sports back because I think it can make some of the tough moment more bearable for lots and lots of people. Yeah. No, it's a really good point I think Seoul about mental perseverance can actually help you along the way absolutely knowing that we're in it. Right we're stuck at home and you know we get out a little bit and those NBA players they're stuck inside their bubble. I. Think that creates a kind of you know understanding a kind of you know shared experience that we have with NBA players. I think actually heightens people's ability to put up with it knowing what the players are putting up with. See, that's why like talking to you Dr you're such an optimist that it just i Robert often it it's so at. So for lack of for lack of a better word is so contagious at at it's so great. His podcast is making the whole. He's a former White House policy advisor key architects for the affordable care act and a great human being daughter Ezekiel Zeke Emanuel. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure to be here and good luck at I I. Hope this NBA experiment is big success. Many other leaks have returns endemic. But the return of the NBA feels even more emphatic due to its global appeal. The larger than life personalities led by an overwhelming majority of black athletes. The NBA is in a position to show the sports world what it can do. Not just during coronavirus. But also at a time when we fight for social justice. Will the bubble stay intact. Who? knows. But for now. NBA Fans only know this. The League, their stars, and their message are ready for the limelight.

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Officials begin to roll back reopenings as COVID-19 cases explode

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

47:28 min | 2 months ago

Officials begin to roll back reopenings as COVID-19 cases explode

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Three sixty with lifelock membership, and save twenty five percent, or more of your first year by going to norton dot com slash motto, that's Norton Dot, com slash motto for twenty five percent off. The whistle matters show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC. Rachel as you can see, has the night off officials on the Japanese island of Okinawa had thought they had the upper hand when it came to corona virus for more than two months, the island had zero new cases of Corona virus from May I July seventh while the pandemic was exploding in this country Okinawa Japan was virus free, and honestly that's no small feat given its size, the island of Okinawa has a population roughly the same size as Dallas. Texas, but whereas Dallas has been reporting something like eleven hundred new cases a day, Okinawa has had just one hundred forty eight confirmed cases total since February. But in less than a week, all that good work has essentially been thrown out the window Okinawa. Now has nearly one hundred new cases. Thanks to outbreaks on the various US military bases on the island, local reports say fourth of July parties that were held both on and off the basis are the cause of the huge spike, according to those same reports hundreds if not thousands of personnel were and employees were said to have attended those events, not surprisingly. The governor of Okinawa is angry. This weekend he openly questioned whether the United States was doing enough to stop the spread of covid nineteen, saying that he had quote serious doubts about the measures being taken by US military officials, he also requested that the military stop transferring new troops from the United States given the unabated surge that we are seeing in this country. Think about this. America has now reached a point where we are posing a threat to some of our strongest allies, and that just scratching the surface really when you look at all the damage. That's being done back here at home. Case numbers are growing in thirty nine states, which is incredible when you consider, we only have fifty of them. As the Washington Post reports quote. Deaths are trending up sharply in almost every part of the country. Five States Arizona. California Florida Mississippi and Texas broke records for average daily metality this weekend. Florida meanwhile has emerged as a particularly bleak example of how the United States has failed to get a handle on this pandemic on Sunday. The state reported more than fifteen thousand new cases that shattered the previous one day records that were set by California and new. York New York, which was the epicenter of this infection. Today the State reported the second highest number. This is Florida reported the second highest number of new cases that this country has ever seen with more than twelve thousand new infections reported in just the last twenty four hours in Florida. Florida's grappling with an outbreak. That's so large. It's bigger than what the vast majority of nations are dealing with. Here's the way Reuter summed it up quote. If Florida were country, it would rank fourth in the world for the most new cases a day behind the United States Brazil and India. More than forty hospitals across Florida have maxed out there. ICU bed capacity or are close to running out of ICU beds. In Miami Dade County. Things are especially dire in just that area. Six hospitals have already reached capacity. Doctors in the area are no longer mincing words when it comes to describing the situation on the ground. In a conference call with the mayor of miami-dade this morning, one local infectious disease expert actually pleaded with the public saying quote. We really need your help. Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic. What we are seeing what? We were seeing in Wuhan five or six months ago. Now we are there. And yet in the midst of all of this, the state is still struggling when it comes to basic things like testing in Miami today, residents began lining up overnight some at one thirty in the morning, just to make sure that they got tests before the site ran out of supplies for the day. That is the position that Florida is in right now. Problems with testing records being smashed each and every day hospitals teetering on the edge, but despite that. It remains open for business. This weekend. One of the biggest theme parks in the country Disneyworld reopened for the first time. Meanwhile. The Republican National Convention is just six weeks away and White House officials say they plan to move forward with holding the event in Jacksonville. Because why not? We are now five months into this pandemic, and yet the federal response remains as incoherent as it was on day one. And because of that state and local governments are having to go it alone. Today the governor of California Gavin, newsom announced a sweeping rollback of the state's reopening plans, saying that he would impose new statewide restrictions, putting an end to indoor dining and closing, movie, theaters, zoos and museums. Bars were also ordered to cease all operations in California's hardest hit counties home to roughly eighty percent of that state's population closures are even more extensive, including places of worship, certain offices and hair salons. Today comes more and more state and local leaders are starting to take actions. They deem necessary to protect their residents even if it means going out ahead of the federal government. In Houston, where we've now seen countless headlines of hospitals at or near capacity, local leaders are demanding a shutdown including the city's mayor. Sylvester Turner. Who Today tweeted quote I do believe that we need a two week. Shut down at the minimum of two weeks. I've proposed this to the governor, so we can help blunt covid nineteen progression. The head of the county's governing. Body Judge Lena Hidalgo echoed those calls during a press conference this afternoon. Since we last spoke what we feared would happen is coming to pass. At the end of makeover patients were fifteen percent of patients in the ICU today we are at forty, five forty eight percent, and the number keeps rising. We're crossing or approaching hospital surge capacity day after day as a matter of course. What this means is reports of people having to wait for an ICU bed when they need it ICU. Beds, becoming more and more scarce, having to import doctors and nurses to keep up with the demand. Hospitalizations continued to rise. If! It wasn't clear before. It's obvious now. The having so much still open from restaurants to all sizes indoor events two water parks. Is Not going to turn this thing around. Which is why continue call for an enforceable stay home order? Joining us now, Judge Lena Hidalgo head of Harris County's governing body. Judge it. I'll go. Thank you for being with US tonight. It is fascinating to watch this unfold and sad to watch this unfold in Harris County you have within your county boundaries, the largest hospital complex in America, one of the largest and best in the entire world and your hospitals are filling up your ICU's are diverting people to to other hospitals. That's right Allie. We have the largest medical center in the world here in Harris County, which is home to Houston and thirty-three other cities, and what we're learning the hard way. Is that this strategy of seeing how far we can stretch or hospital beds and trying to fill them. While also not making aggressive public policy is not a good strategy, it is wrong morally is not adequate public health policy. It is not adequate economic policy, and it's simply not working. Those beds are continuing to fill and halfway measures. We've had so far are simply not cutting it today. That's the saddest part is. You could go to a water park. You could go to a restaurant. Yes, some things are happening, but until we take. Strong action. We're GONNA see that curve turnaround. We're not gonNA. See that car flatten, or we'RE NOT GONNA! See it. COME DOWN! Judge. Tell me how you solve this problem because you and Mayor Sylvester Turner and others just like we're seeing in in Arizona. There are municipal leaders who are asking their governors to do something. Your governor has said according to a local news report today He said there are rumors out there that there will be an imminent shutdown. That is not the case. He's not really hearing you on this. Look I, we've got to look at the data here. We have to be honest with ourselves, and we have to hear the cries of the community. The folks who are hurting economically who have loved ones in the hospital and recognize that it's no time for politics. It is time for evidence based action, and we see communities, not just around the country, but around the world. Those who didn't just flat in. In the curve, but crushed it brought it all the way down and began reopening in slow measured fashion. Are the ones doing well and so if we want to look at the economic angle, we need to set up the economy for long term success in the only way we do. That is by controlling those cases sharpening our tools of contact tracing of testing of course from a healthcare standpoint. That's. That's the right thing to do I've tried everything we can't hear a few weeks ago. We put our community on red alert. That means stay home. Everybody got a notification to their cell phones. Today we had a broadcast and radio broadcasts as well with notifications. I'm constantly trying to share this, but look I continue to plead for that tool. That's why I've continued to ask the governor for him to give. Give me that authority or for him to do it. Himself I used to have that authority. That's how we brought down the curve in March. And now we've got to do it again and we've got to do it better because back then we opened before the curve actually came down. We simply flattened it and then you know. We gave up too early and we can't afford to do that again. So. Judge I want you to explain what this means that you had the authority and you don't have it now because. The issue is that you are asking for an enforceable stay at home mortar. Not a not a recommended stayed home mortar. What's changed in your ability to enforce in order? So legally as the county executive I, had the authority to issue this order orders for folks to wear face coverings, and so on, and so forth now when the governor began reopening the state, his reopening orders included a provision that. Basically undid my ability or removed that authority to issue those kinds of orders. So now all I can do, it's recommend. And I can do whatever authority he positively grants me, and so right now we're at the point where we've seen that. A strategy of `incrementalist restrictions doesn't work. The virus is very difficult. There's many things we don't understand, but what we do know is that to control the spread. We've got to have a stay home order. We've got to keep it in place until the curve comes down. We can't give ourselves arbitrary deadlines, and that will set us up to succeed for the long haul and. And so that's where we are legally look. We're seeing something very crushing are minority communities? Even that just shows you this strategy end up hurting real people Hispanics in our population are sixty five percents, sometimes fifty percents hover there of the hospitalizations, whereas they're only forty four percent of the population. We've got ZIP codes that majority Hispanic Zip codes. They're seeing incredibly high positively rates up to fifty percent. This is terrible nut just for that community eventually this catch up to all of us and so. So you can't be so callous has to have a strategy that let's see how much we can extend these hospital beds, and let's cross our fingers and hope it works so we continue to plead with the community to stay home, but of course it's so much stronger if we have an order and we know that it works because when we did it back in March, people buckled down the got together the flat. Flatten the curve. Of course then you know. The state decided to reopen before. Before. We had a chance to really bring things under control, but we're going to keep fighting fighting with our public health tools fighting with the communication tools we have, but frankly this is really sad to watch that this is what's happening in our hospitals and at the same time I can go have any size indoor event as long as it's indoors and I can go to a restaurant and sit in crowded patio right now in my community, while people are dying in filling up our hospitals. Judge. Thank you for joining US Tonight Judge Lena. Hidalgo is the head of Harris County's governing body. We appreciate your time. With cases surging all across the country, the White House has decided to focus its efforts on discrediting, the nation's top infectious disease expert, because of his blunt warnings about Corona virus and administration official on Sunday sent NBC News, and other media outlets a list of Dr Anthony Fao cheese past statements on the coronavirus, saying quote, several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr Foul has been wrong on things in many ways. The document resembled campaign opposition research as opposed to an official White House document. It comes as FAO. She has been essentially sidelined by. By the administration according to The Washington, post fact, she no longer briefs Donald. Trump is never in the oval office anymore. He reportedly last spoke to the president during the first week of June, certainly not the best time to be discrediting and pushing away one of the most respected scientific voices in the country, joining me now Dr Ezekiel Emanuel former healthcare advisor to president, Obama, now and MSNBC, medical contributor and author of which country has the world's best healthcare. Is it good to see you again? Thank you for being with us. I'm really puzzled by the voucher thing. If, you don't like somebody who's doing a job for the administration. Donald trump has had no hesitation in generally speaking getting rid of them. This is weird. The degree to which they are undermining FAO. She'd Peter Navarro was on this show with me over week ago, and he had started by by sort of undermining and discrediting voucher. What do you think's going on here? While? They WANNA character assassination attempt here. It's reckless. It's cruel and it's absolutely wrong. nobody in this whole pandemic has gotten everything right because it's brand new lots of uncertainty, and you're trying to make predictions and projections in the midst of that kind of uncertainty, and you mix in human behavior. Will people follow say at home orders or not? But Dr has gotten it wrong. Right a lot and most importantly I was gonNA say when he's wrong. He's very upfront about it. One of the things Dr Fao she does is he always qualifies what he's going to say to what he really knows and what he is guessing at and what he's making an estimation at I'm and. Correcting errors. That's part of science, right? We all make projections. Try to estimate things. He's thoughtful and deliberate. Way. He's done things. But. This is calling for you to speculate FAO cheese useful to the country right now. Is it less useful that he's not got access to the president that they're not really letting him speak freely. Could he be doing something else? In the country. I'm. GonNa be doing a lot of things, but I do think it. You know it's an important thing to contrast. Often. He's been wrong with the president. We said that the virus was disappear in the warm weather. We said hydroxy chloroquine was going to work. WHO recommended? Maybe we should leave or put light in our bodies on. This is not the way to run A. Public Health Emergency to take your best scientists. The one who has proven over you know almost four decades now that he has. Real knowledge of infectious disease, real knowledge how to combat it real knowledge how to actually save lives and to sideline him. It is unconscionable, and a president needs good advisers who really know the science and what he's doing running himself with people who like what he has to say won't push back when he is wrong and that just you know the whole country is suffering because of it. One of the things. You. Did say is that we might get to a point where we've got one hundred thousand cases a day. If you recall Zeke you and I were on TV one talking about when the president said we weren't gonNA hundred thousand cases. At all certainly, not one hundred thousand deaths were way way down past that but let's take a look at the the record on Friday we, we have topped. Seventy thousand new cases on Friday. Talk to me about what we need to do now Zeke because you've never been. A. Lot of Americans that people want to get out. People want to get back to work. People have to earn income, but you heard my conversation with the Chief Executive in Harris County in in Texas. This is what happens when we don't follow rules. Look if you look at all other countries and I think I said this with you l. e. four months ago in March. All the other countries it goes up for four weeks, and then it comes down forwards pretty symmetric metric core, or it goes up for four weeks ago down for five six weeks. That's the time period we have and we have to be disciplined for that time period. We're talking about eight to ten weeks. Where we have to discipline, and then you can bring the curves down, you can bring the transmission rate below one, and you can see this work. You know how we know. Look at new. York today, though cases of transmission Washington DC four straight days. No cases you can do this. Discipline and you just need leadership and consistent messaging and consistent embodiment of that messaging buyer leader instead of trying to show this. Disharmony suspicion of the. Virus and what it can actually do and the damage it can cause you know we had, but the sewing suspicious go has a. We had the governor of Florida who sort of dismissed all of this early March April may not going to happen here and sure enough. It was as clear as day. Anyone who's been in studied epidemiology knows you have those parties on the beaches you in the restaurant who open bars? You Open all these mutants Mississippi's. You'RE GONNA. Have the spread it is inevitable, and it's come home to roost in a state that has a huge. Relation of elderly people who are oil at very high risk. But I'm I'm trying to get my head around from a public health perspective where the president is getting advice from the story in the daily beast today describing the fact that Donald Trump re tweeted the former game show host chuck woolery, whom I didn't know was a conspiracy theorist, but the tweet that he re tweeted, said the most outrageous lies are the ones about covid nineteen everybody is lying the CDC Media Democrats our doctors, not all, but most that we are told to trust I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election I'm sick of it, so chuck woolery tweets out the president. Re tweets this. But this this attack on science attack on truth, and now this attack on doctors and an attack on a public health efforts. I just didn't know this could happen, but the president's fully at the front of the train. Book one of the things that political scientists who studied this phenomenon study populism by out is that one of the victims of this is expertise? The fact that people actually know something and what they know is valuable to actually addressing a problem and we have had an attack on expertise low more than twenty years in this country as the populism of the Republican Party has gone up and that is what you're saying. You don't like the facts. Attack the Messenger that is not a good way to actually survive, and we know that biology. You can't fan booze elit. You've just through rhetoric and were great and our response. Response is fantastic. You're not gonNA beat this virus. The virus can withstand all of that because it doesn't really care about. The rhetoric cares about science, and it behaves biological laws, and we know how to beat that. We've seen around the world countries that have beaten it as you know, look at, Italy Italy you know has had had its challenges, but over ten weeks brought the virus foul, and now you can open up safely once it's down. A few cases pop up. You can actually suppress them, but if you've got ten twelve thousand cases a day, you cannot suppress it and you will not be that virus. Always good to see you, my friend, thank you, Dr Ezekiel. Emanuel is a vice provost for the University of Pennsylvania's global initiatives. He's a former healthcare advisor to President Obama. All right coming up next the president kept his longtime adviser Roger Stone. Out of prison by commuting his sentence on Friday, a stunning development as a Friday night news dump goes in a broader context turns out that there's actually more here to see a lot of that story after this. America's ready to get back to work the to win. 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I'll be talking with neuroscientist Dr. crawl heart about the insidious ways stories of degeneracy drugs and blackness had been inter weaved in the American story those far. Far More. Crack in white communities, white people always use crack more than black people, but the face of crack was black people, and it was a way for us to dismiss the problems of that. Ruth, of because we can say if it's crack well. That's their own doing this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and some scribe? Call a tale of three books three books about the president of the United States see if you can spot, which of these is being treated differently by the white. House in the midst of the fire hose of news at the end of last week, Donald Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen was sent back to prison after having released to home detention earlier this year and you may or may not care. Care all that much about where Mr. Cohen is serving out his sentence for tax fraud and lying to Congress. But here's what quickly became concerning about Michael Cohen suddenly, being locked up again, Cohen's lawyers say he was sent back to prison because he did not want to sign paperwork that would have blocked him from talking to the media or publishing the book. He's been working on in other words. Keep silent or go back behind bars. How unusual is an ultimatum like that? CNN spoke to several defense attorneys and legal experts, none of whom had ever seen anything like Cohen's media and book publishing. Ban Ryan Goodman at just. Security reached out to several leading First Amendment Scholars They looked at the prohibition and described it with phrases like quote, patently unconstitutional, a profound front to the First Amendment indefensible, and so again whether you've you Michael Cohen as a sympathetic character or not. What it looks like is happening here is pretty chilling. The trump administration gave Michael Cohen Choice. Sign this paper, saying you won't write a book or go back to prison. Silence or prison. Your choice then there's the book by Donald Trump's niece slated for official publication tomorrow Donald. Trump and his family have been in court up through today, trying to block the book from being published and Block Mary trump from saying anything about the book. which feels ridiculous because you probably feel like you've already read it, since just about every media outlet on the planet has gotten a copy and dissect it already. Well this evening. Donald Trump and his family lost that court fight a New York State Supreme Court Judge rejected. The trump families attempt to block the book ruling that quote the potential enormous cost and logistical nightmare of stopping the publication, recalling and removing. Thousands of books from all types of booksellers, brick and mortar and virtual libraries and private citizens is an insurmountable task at this time. The judge then quotes a different judge in another case Donald. Trump lost when he tried to block the publication of his former National Security Advisor John Bolton's book quote by the looks of it. The horses not just out of the barn. It is out of the country. Mary Trump's book can go forward and also married is now free to speak publicly about it. which should be interesting, so Michael Cohen's Book Mary Trump's book. The president his family his White House doing everything they can to prevent the from coming out up to and including sending Michael Cohen back to prison, but today we learned about a third book. Now see if you can spot the difference today. Today. The Justice Department released the actual executive order commuting the prison sentence of Roger. Stone he can see the president's unmistakable sharpie signature there. The president commuted his old friend sentence on Friday night, but it's not clear how broad the commutation was. In fact, the judge in stones case demanded to see the actual order to determine whether it covered stones, prison, time or his probation as well well. Now, we know that the president took care of everything. His Old Friend Prison Time supervised released twenty thousand dollar. Fine all of it poof gone. And today Roger Stone announced that he celebrating by. Writing a book. That's right, so if you testify unflattering Lee about the president, and you try and write a book you get to get the go back to prison. If you withhold information from Congress and prosecutors to protect the president, you get your prison sentence erased, and you can publish to your heart's content. Joining us now Barbara mcquade former US attorney. For the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara good to see you. Thank you for joining US tonight. Talk to me about this. We've earned in certain extreme cases about convicted felons, not being able to profit from their crimes, typically in the case of murders and things like that, but how unusual is is this development to you? I've never heard about anything like it. And in fact, Elliott talking with colleagues to ask them if they've ever seen anything like this and I haven't found anybody. Who has you know after the son of Sam? Killings many states passed these laws called son of Sam laws that prevented people from profiting from their crimes, and so the idea was, if an offender book about his crime. Crime it could be the case that those profits could be disgorged and return to victims of crimes, and that's true in the federal rules as well, but there's no law that says a person can't even write a book. In fact, the Supreme Court has held that such a rule would be unconstitutional, so I think if Michael Cohen were to challenge this condition, he would win. It is interesting though that. The president did something completely contrary to that with the with the erasure of? Roger Stone's conviction, or at least you know vacating the things that he had to do as part of that conviction, it does seem a little bit stark. If I were cynical. Ellie. I would suggest that perhaps president trump is trying to control. Who writes stories about him? Who tells their story? People who have unflattering things to say are are hit with lawsuits and efforts were made to stop them into. Suppress them and keep those stories from being told. A flattering things to say about President. Trump are released from prison so that they get a chance to tell those stories I. Don't know that President trump will be able to stop these unflattering stories forever. He's also filed lawsuits against journalists for things that he alleges are defamatory that I don't think are going to be held up, but it seems that he is at least trying to keep the the the dam from bursting before the election. If you can keep these. Bad things being out in the public before the election then perhaps can control that narrative before it is an ability to affect the outcome of the election but I. Don't think he's going to be successful. You know prior restraints, which is any ruling any order any law that prohibit someone from sharing the information are highly disfavored, so you can work out money damages later in these lawsuits, but the idea of suppressing someone's Information is is highly disfavored. So a normalization of these characters in the trump administration is is worth study. The list of commutations and the list of pardons is interesting, because some of it are people that president trump wants to pardon some of them. He seemed to be softening us up for, but between those in the tweets about who's been which hunted or unfairly treated. The president has sort of normalized the idea that he does the sort of thing. It wasn't a surprise to us that he commuted the the sentence of Roger Stone, but Robert Muller in his op ED. Ed, for the Washington Post wanted to underscore the point he writes. Jury determined that stone repeatedly lied to members of Congress. He lied about the identity of intermediary to wikileaks. He lied about the existence of written communications with his intermediary. He lied by denying he'd communicated with the trump campaign about the timing of wikileaks releases he, in fact, updated senior campaign officials repeatedly about wikileaks, and he tampered with a witness, imploring him to stonewall Congress. Muller's trying to make the point that is normal as trump wants to make this feel Roger Stone's a convicted felon. I was so gratified to see. Robert. Muller come out with this op-ed he is. A STOIC Marine who does not complain, does not speak up and for him to write this even in it's fairly subdued. Tones is the equivalent of of screaming for anybody else and so I think he is trying to say this is not normal. President Trump has granted pardons and clemency for people like Rod Blagojevich and Bernard Kerik. Others who have committed crimes of corruption. Perhaps trying to say the corruption is no big deal, but what's different about this one is, it's not just corruption. It relates specifically trump himself. It is an effort to cover up his crimes as Jesse Jackson said herself stone sentencing. Roger Stone was not standing up for president. Trump Roger Stone was covering up for president trump, and so this clemency. really seems like an abuse of the pardon power. Barbara good to see you as always. Thank you for joining me. Barbara mcquade is a former US attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan. Thank you for your time tonight still ahead. If you ignore fumble and botched the response to a crisis as serious global pandemic, you can expect political consequences for that. We'll have the latest snapshot on Red. State, races that are now surprisingly in play after this break. Explosion of new corona virus cases in Texas is translating into immediate political pain for president trump a new dallas morning news poll show finds that just thirty eight percent of Texas. Voters are pleased with the president's handling of the virus. While an overall majority, fifty two percent disapprove while those numbers may or may not concern the president. The top line number from that same poll almost certainly will trump currently trails Joe Biden by five points in Texas. It's not a national poll. This is not a swing state poll. In the headline, it calls it read Texas, this latest poll is not outlined by the way the realclearpolitics average of all Texas. Also currently has Biden and trump tied at the national level. The president's historically weak standing at this stage in the race has some Democrats strategists urging Biden to go big and try to expand the map in states like Georgia Ohio and Texas. What's more, the president's bundling of the virus response has Republican senators avoiding any mention of him in their campaign ads while his drop in the polls, has Democrats salivating about their chances of taking back the upper chamber? Ask today whether Republicans would hang onto the Senate senator Mitch McConnell could muster only that he was hopeful that they would. Now tomorrow voters in Texas Maine and Alabama head to the polls for primary contests with direct implications for control of the Senate in November. Starting in Texas, Democrats are going to select a Senate challenger to take on the Republican incumbent. John Cornyn while Cornyn ultimately remains favourite to hold his seat. His recent comments about not knowing whether children can catch the corona virus at the same time. That state reported that over five hundred kids have tested positive isn't helping him. In Alabama another red state that has seen a recent surge in corona virus, cases, Republicans will choose between former football for college football coach and trump endorsed candidate. Tommy Tuber Ville on the left and trump's former attorney general turned foe. Jeff sessions. The winner is going to take on the Democrats most vulnerable incumbent Doug Jones who pulled off a shocking victory in two. Two thousand and seventeen in Maine. Democrats will choose the Senate candidate to take on vulnerable incumbent, Susan, Collins, the current front runner in the Democratic Primary Main House Speaker Sarah Gideon currently leads Collins in public polling in seeming a little vulnerable. This early Susan Collins has company poll. Show Republican senators are also facing tough races in Colorado Arizona Iowa, north, Carolina and Montana. Trump won Montana by twenty points for years ago in the Montana Senate race, a new poll today finds the Popular Governor Democratic challenger Steve Bullet, leading the incumbent by two points, meanwhile, the latest Senate poll out of Arizona shows the Democratic challenger, Mark Kelly, beating Republican incumbent Martha mcsally by four points, which might not be surprising, considering the Republican led State has continued to sec set all the wrong records for corona virus. The latest from the crisis in Arizona is right after this break. These last couple of days have been kinda hectic. Right now and I left. We were holding approximately ten patients to the intensive care unit. Obviously intensive care full no place for them to go. Some patients in their beds were being doubled up. We had makeshift sort of. To kind of separate beds to kind of take. One SPA! And make it into to. there's no place to put people. We've been on diversion for most of the night. Diversion means. An Amazon's wants to come to your place and you say we can't accept it. We're saturated. But Unfortunately The next closest hospital also diversion you kind of share it and you're forced to go back on and accept patients after a few hours, so we've been playing that game all night where? We've been on diversion the next closest hospital. A few miles away is on diversion. And we're still receiving patients. Still, cove. That your doctor in hard hit Phoenix Arizona saying hospital is full up got no room for patients, but they keep their doors open. Because the next closest hospital is full of Covid, patients to. According to The New York Times. There are thirty nine states in the country seeing an increase in new corona virus, infections plus DC Puerto. Rico and the Virgin Islands. The covert outbreak is growing in the majority of the country right now, but there's one state that sticks out. You can see it. Clearly stands out in the stack of charts from the Times take a look at Arizona, new corona virus infections have been on a meteoric rise in Arizona for weeks now since the state's Republican governor began one of the earliest reopenings in the country to appease trump. This weekend, the number of ICU beds and ventilators being used by corona virus patients hit an all time high in Arizona. That's the hard data behind the experience of that Phoenix Er doctor was just describing, but with all the numbers still trending up the governor of Arizona Doug Ducey has not enacted any significant new restrictions to slow. The spread not closed businesses. There's no statewide mask requirement. Requirement and so with more people in Arizona getting sick than the hospitals can keep up with officials on the local level are pushing on the governor to change his mind this weekend. The mayor's from five of Arizona's biggest cities sent the governor of Arizona this letter, asking the governor to enact a statewide mask requirement to increase testing and contact tracing to ask Arizonans to stay home. But also, for the governor to step up and enact statewide strategy to stop the corona virus from ripping through the state, because the mayors are tired of trying to solve a public health crisis, all on their own quote as Arizona, we are deeply concerned about the current response, the covid nineteen pandemic in our state, any further action to curb the spread must provide statewide direction. Covert nineteen does not stop at city or county limits. We need statewide action to effectively combat this public health crisis. That letter, which is basically a public, so asked letter to the governor signed by the mayor of Tucson Phoenix. Flagstaff Tulleson and Tempe. Joining me now will humble. He's the former director of the Arizona Department of Health Services, and now the executive director of the Arizona Public Health Association will good to see you. you and I talked two weeks ago. And you described something to me about something called care standards, you said your hospitals were starting to use care standards, which I think in common parlance is some version of triage determining who gets what treatment? That was two weeks ago. Now you've got what this Er. Doctor describes his diversion, actually turning patients away. That's what he was describing Dukla. Vecchio who I know was describing actually crisis standards of care in operation and that's that's what it means he talked about. repurposing emergency department rooms because they were unable to send those patients to. Intensive Care beds and out of necessity, because they don't have the staff within their hospital. And then they checked the surge line was unable to find a similar hospital to treat those patients, and so they're doing the best they can, and the terrible thing here is that there's no end in sight I mean. The number of cases continues to rise the policy. Decisions have not been adjusted to make the. To make the situation any better and further, or there are administrative things that can be done like improving the turnaround time with testing using care act money by the way it's not state funds that are needed. They could do it now, so. Several of these things that could make a real difference, but as you mentioned you know it takes, these takes some leadership to to to really turn the tide. The thing though will about the human mind is our ability to learn from things and not try not to repeat mistakes or not habitually repeat mistakes, but in fact we've seen exactly what's happening in Arizona. Happen elsewhere and we thought we wouldn't have to go through this again. We were hoping people like me. WHO COME FROM NEW YORK? We're hoping that Arizona and Texas and Florida would not have to go through this, and in fact, they did not have to go through this. Well, that's right and we didn't have to go through it either. By the way I mean, the playbook was written in the northeast part of the country where they had a responsible playbook really for how to emerge from a stay at home, order and preserve the sacrifices made by the folks in your state, and we didn't follow that playbook. Basically, what we did is adopt the Swedish model really. Implement that and I've been on I was on Chris as this show a few days ago and I said look. You know I just hope that the other states out there recognized what not to do. Don't follow the Amazon. Example because this is a bad experiment, it's not working out well, and if you come out of a stay at home order for crying out loud, come out of it in a responsible way with performance measures that you can document and get compliance with some of the CDC mitigation measures, and make sure that you've got the kind of testing capacity that will help you with your contact tracing and on all of these marks were. In fact what you look at the three things that they ask for in the the mayor's letter to the governor, it's it is those three things when you look at places like Japan or South. Korea or Taiwan or New Zealand these mitigation matters there simple. This isn't high science. We're not asking for a treatment or a cure or vaccine. That will come later. We're just asking for basic stuff that has been shown to mitigate the spread of this infection. All these things are layers. The testing capacity leads into contact tracing which that contact tracing layer complying with the mitigation measures in retail stores, bars, restaurants, etc. that's a mitigation measure. We need to have all the layers in place, which by the way are manageable things? We're not talking about other stay at home order. We're talking about policy decisions and administrative action that if taken can stem the tide, move the needle and get us to the vaccine so that we don't have to do another stay at home order, which has tremendous collateral damage in public health and otherwise. We'll go to see again. Thank you for being with us. I'm sorry that we have to talk as frequently as we do, but we appreciate the time that you take to keep us up to speed, we'll humble is the former director of the Arizona Department of Health Services. He's now the executive director of the Arizona Public Health Association. All right coming up state officials have managed to push back on trump administration policies by taking the President to court today. The states are trying again in a fight with big implications for all of us will tell you about that next. When Donald Trump I ran for president. He's had a lot of racist and homophobic things about immigrants, and how he was going to build a wall to many of them out, he also said this. I want people to come into our country legally I WANNA have a big fat beautiful open door. A BIG FAT Beautiful Open Door for legal immigrants. That's how Donald Trump tried to convince the American, And the voters that it wasn't really about hating immigrants, it was just about the rule of law getting the so-called bad hombres out. If you recall Donald Trump has done many things, both during that election, and in the four years, since that made it really clear that he really is prejudice against immigrants of all stripes, or maybe of most stripes, and doesn't seem to care much about the rule of law, either but some level of welcome for immigrants, some level of acknowledgement that immigration is actually important to America's economy, if not its. Its values and traditions was mainstream republican consensus at the time as recently as last year, administration officials were still telling reporters. Trump actually wanted to increase the number of visas for highly skilled workers, but here's the thing Donald. Trump has repeatedly and emphatically slammed his big fat beautiful door in the faces of those same immigrants that his party once tried to make exceptions for the latest example is the trump administration's announcement of a new policy for international students who study at an American College and who studies have moved online during the pandemic. Pandemic, the trump administration essentially told those students to go back to where they came from revoking their right to stay in the United States. The decision doesn't just end the lives of those international students. It's another discouragement of them to study and potentially build their lives in America. We're shutting the door on some of the world's best and brightest minds, giving up on their contributions to American business to research, innovation and society, now and down the Road Harvard Law School Professor Vivek Wadhwa writes that the effective pushing these students away will quote. Quote likely be an exodus of academic talent to schools in Europe or elsewhere and intellectual catastrophe of historic proportions with long-term economic ramifications. There is so much at stake in this move by the president for the students for the universities, and for all of us that today the attorneys General of Sixteen. States and DC joined the age of Massachusetts ensuing the administration to try and stop the policy. They're asking Federal Court in Boston to block. The policy is the case moves forward no word yet, but as Rachel says watch this space. That does it for US tonight. We'll see again tomorrow the. Show weeknights at nine minister on MSNBC. Hey! Everyone is Chris. As thanks for listening now. I want to invite you to talk to us here at MSNBC. We'd like to know more about you and the topics you would be interested in hearing about. To launch new podcasts text podcast to six, eight, six six, and we'll to linked to a short survey again. 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BONUS: Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

Open Floor: SI's NBA Show

26:21 min | 2 months ago

BONUS: Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

"WHAT'S UP Open Floor Globe? This is Ben Golfer with the Washington. Post. I've got a special treat for you. Today. Sports illustrated has produced a three part miniseries on the NBA bubble that's called potting the bubble. It's a deep dive look at the NBA's plan to finish the season. How we got here what this looks like in theory and whether or not. It will actually work. You can listen to all three episodes right here on this feed as little open floor bonus, and if you like it be sure and check out some of is other pods like the crossover NBA show and coronavirus sports. Previously on putting the. Will players follow the rules? Right? We'll players keep it tight. Though, they'll set of advised view here. was. So we to stay for three months. Straight hours of was? One It's fine now, but it's all going to wear on these guys are in the coming weeks a month. What really seeing is just kind of a microcosm of the situation in the country right there. Plenty of players that had issues with all this, Kyrie. Irving. Was One of the driving forces behind knocked going. But that brings us to a different set of circumstances, which is the social justice issues that are happening in this country right now, Kyrie. was among many players that were troubled by the idea that with all that's going on in the country. They don't want to be a distraction to that. We ought to Taylor. voyeuristic. Just. Tell her family to know and I want to stay Kentucky to know we feel for it and we want justice. I think all NBA players doing a great job. For keeping the movement alive, you know the League I think it's been a little clunky so far. It sounds crashed to say I don't know where the social justice stuff falls in their list of priorities when just trying to make sure everyone is safe and healthy right now. I think it's going to work I. Think it's certainly going to be different. For now, it seems like everything is breaking the right way for the NBA. Welcome to a new series from SL where we dive deep inside the return of the NBA and life inside the bubble on your host Ruth, military. Today. Predicting the outcome. Was the bubble a good idea. And now that we have seen the first few weeks of life inside a bubble. How can ensure health and safety for all involve? And finally, what are the most important factors to consider as this competition intensifies? From sports illustrated. This is putting the bump. We've learned a lot in our journey to understand how the NBA Orlando campus came to be, what life in the bubble is like for players and media, and what to expect from the product on the court. Now, as we look ahead to whether this grant sports experiment will work. We need to understand what's going on outside the bubble as well. We'll be talking to Dr, Ezekiel. Emanuel bioethicist who adviser a key architect of the affordable care act and the host of making the call podcast. Back, in April during the height of the national, Corona Virus Shutdown I spoke with Dr Zeke Emanuel for us, Corona, virus, and sports podcast. When we first talked Dr Zeke told us to an overall time line of twelve to eighteen months for sports to return. So, we caught up with Dr Zeke on the eve of the NBA's returned to action to understand fully, where are we now with the public health crisis in the country and will the NBA bubble? Holt. Dr. Zeke. Will offer his thoughts on the ethical and medical aspects of the bubble and want to maybe An -ticipant, he will aim to basically do something. He's rather good at predicting the outcome from an ethics perspective. You hear a lot of our conversation throughout this episode. Dr Zeke, it's a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us cut to be back with sports illustrated. At some point doctors eve, you could say I told you sir because. We spoke. It was really in the backdrop of something that you brought up publicly about how this country will need a twelve to eighteen months. Plan in order for things to really return to normalcy the NBA returns with a bubble in Orlando Florida. And we will talk about all of this. But the first question I have for you, Dr Zeke is paint a picture for us of how the health crisis. has evolved or rather devolved I. Guess over the course of three months, where are we right now as to when we last spoke? So the first thing to say is the good news. You know we know that steroids work and saving lives of seriously sick people with covert. We know that REMM Diz aveer decreases hospitalization for people who are seriously ill and were well on our way towards a testing and evaluating the effectiveness of vaccines. We've got one vaccine effectiveness trial. That's the. The Oxford Astra. Zeneca vaccine, we've got to knocking at the door and we'll start a trials imminently in the next few days. Probably by the time the PODCAST is broadcast. That's the really good news I guess one other piece of good news is that New York City, which was a hotspot I think when we were last talking has really successfully. Mitigated. It's crisis and is down low and and I think could serve as an effective model. The bad news is you know we have more cases than ever every day being produced, and that's not as president trump says because of testing, it's because we have more cases thirty or forty states depending upon the day are hitting records in terms of new cases. The death rate was going down and it's now turned around in his going back up That's not good and we have I think expended or spent or wasted. The most valuable thing we have, which is the American people's perseverance and willingness to tough this out mostly because. We just haven't had a plan. We haven't been able to do what Europe Canada has done, which is when we get to the top of that curve, come down and come down very far for the show that the rate of transmission is low, the number of new cases low and it's safe to open up slowly mostly with outdoor events, outdoor restaurants, outdoor activities of small groups. So that. If any cases arise, we can actually suppress them Instead you know places like Georgia and Alabama and Era Zona and Texas and Florida rushed in opened up indoor items like indoor dining, indoor bars, beauty parlours, Tattoo Parlors, and places where large groups of people could congregate and we've seen the consequence. You know big explosions and numbers of cases. Big Explosions in terms of hospitalizations, and then three or four weeks later, deaths It was all predictable unfortunately, and in some ways, we're right back where we were three months ago. So, in that list of states that you were talking about you, last one you said was floored and Florida is the host to state of the NBA bubble, and you know the NBA is not the only one. We had the WNBA and also mls who's already more than halfway through its tournament. All of this is happening in the state. What is your view when it comes to hosting sporting events in a state? That's not a New York. Actually, that's you know that's the state that's going even upwards when it comes to positive infections. Well, I think it's a, it's a risk and it. You know it's a bubble and to the extent that you can actually successully sequestered people and keep them inside the bubble. What's happening outside shouldn't matter. That's the whole point of a bubble On the other hand, you've already had someone breached the bubble, people want some relief and that's your problem. Problem I believe these players are you know they've already shown you there tempted to break the bubble even for minor things, I getting food. That's where the risk is going to be. They're going to interact with someone. They're going to go to a bar. They're gonNa do something that is going to increase the chance of transmission, and that is the problem. Well from a safety perspective, it's looking good. NBA, senior writer Chris Mannix. Their processes are pretty solid. They're protocols are pretty solid and. I think everything is a good place right now for the NBA. I do think that you know boredom will set in cabin, fever will set in. Washington Post National NBA writer, Bengal her and the host of Sei's floor podcast. You know it already feels a little bit like groundhog day. You know just kind of going through the same thing every day every day, and when you don't have the ability to go to a grocery store or you don't have the ability to hey, I'm going to take a drive out to the ocean or do some of the like safer type of trips that people are able to do during quarantine, those kinds of feelings set in. Right now, players have assigned seats on on the bench. It took the players. I saw about you know one quarter to say screw it. I'm not sitting in my assigned seat and they just got up and said anywhere and look I understand that there's a huge need for social distancing players on a bench when they're out, they're not social distancing on the court. So I think there are some subtle. Things that will change and evolve with the NBA. But there, there's going to be somebody that tries to burst the bubble like somebody. Whether it's a woman or otherwise somebody's GonNa try to. Stick somebody like I'm just convinced that's going to happen in the next couple of weeks, but maybe you get into. Early early September. Maybe it happens. I. Think the Saving Grace For many players is that after the first round, you can bring friends and family in, and that's when they'll have a little bit more More normalcy to their lives, but the NBA's doing everything they can. To, protect that bubble integrity. This bubble is paramount to the because there's so much money on the lawn finishing the season. We're hearing a lot Dr Zeke about just a rigorous and almost military thinking when it comes to the league and how it wants to make sure that what you're saying doesn't happen that players don't break the rules that they stay inside this bubble that they follow the rules, and if they do that, then hopefully things will be okay. It's also human nature for somebody, especially, a player when they're twenty, three, twenty, four years, old living in a three months. Situation is just bound to happen that somebody might make a mistake. Would you say that that is the hardest obstacle that the NBA faces a player or staff member breaking the rule and therefore really risking. A positive infection. Why I don't know the hardest, you want me to pick out the absolute hardest. But you know the NBA is doing a very good job of trying to ensure that everyone comes into the bubble is co vid free, right? You've got the Corinthian. You've got the thing So they're doing of as rigorous job as you can to try to make sure that they don't have people who are a covert positive So then the really big risk is as you put it, someone's going to break the Corentin go out potentially run into someone who's cove positive, especially given the frequency of covert in Florida and they're going to. Get infected themselves and spread it before they have been tested, and that's a you know I can't say that you know that whether it's the absolute biggest risk, the NBA faces, but it is a one of the top ones I would agree with that. What would you say is another risk while another risk is anyone who's GonNa come in, bring in food, bring in new basketball's bring in whatever they need brought in on a daily basis. That's another place. You could see a risk and during this scenario. Do, you think that. It was a good idea to do this because ultimately when it comes to sports at least money is the driver right this. This is not not a coincidence. The reason why the NBA is doing this in Florida, it's because of its strong powerful relationship with Disney. Hence. The financial. Advantages but do you do you think it was smart to do this? Why? Why would the bubble nod work? I God. You Sports. Journalists are cynical money. You don't think it's the love of the game. So. I do think that there's gotta be some love of the game going on here. I certainly hope so and I hope it's not only money but. And let me say I WANNA, qualify for people I. Do Love Basketball I love watching basketball. I was just watching you know right before everything hit in February or went to a a seventy sixers game that was just fantastic and thrilling. But I'm not a huge fan. I'm not obsessive I. I could probably not tell you any single player on any team You know the last time I was really a big fan was. You know I'm a Chicago boy, it was the Bulls Jordan and everything, but I know and understand that sports is a huge part of American society and there are people for whom. Whom this is a very big issue. We are all being deprived of our regular parts of life, and so I think restarting sports is important and I've written that you know we have to restart sports. We have to be willing to take some risks to restart sports I'm all for the NBA doing this restarting. You know I have disagreements about how much testing they're doing and other things But do we need to have the NBA restart? Do we need to have the WNBA restart? Would it be good if the NFL restarted? Yes. This is this a critical part of American life and I think it's important. Well, that's a very good point. The returned to normalcy is just as important as the need for attention to make sure that everybody's safe and by the way cynicism in his sports journalist is it's almost part of our DNA. Dr, Zeke's. I guess the money quest UNIS would this been? Conversations that we had is, would this be in a better situation if we dealt with it in a state that wasn't as fragile as Florida? You know. Does it make a difference to make something tournament like this in a state that perhaps as a better control does it matter? Look I? Mean you have to balance several things. One thing you need to balances, can you actually create a bubble and where is it best to create a bubble? New York City is probably not the best place to create a bubble just. Just Gessen the the question is, yes. Florida. has a high transmission rate and that's bad in that introduces a lot of risk if people get outside the bubble, but you'll have to ask yourself where can you actually create a bubble that is most likely to be effective, and that may, in fact, be the various facilities that the NBA the WNBA are using. Here's essays, NBA, writer Rohan Connie. One way or another I think that this bubble is going to serve in x as an example for how this country needs to move forward and I. think that is really what I'm looking forward to is if it works now, we have a concrete example of what wearing masks does. What's what contact tracing does what you frequent testing does need. Pat, we need. We need an example of. Of. Those things because it's not happening at a large scale in this country on the flip side, even if it doesn't work, then I think we still have an example of we can't rush things back. You know these people poured hundreds of millions of dollars into this idea trying to make it work, and they still were not able to because that's how unpredictable viruses and I think. One way or another I my alternate hope it gives people an example of how this virus is going to be quote unquote defeated until there's a vaccine, how do you think the Blairs react if the health risks escalate in the bubble hatch now does the tournament and the League? Adam Silver's said that he is willing to pull the plug on this. If there is a major outbreak, nobody knows what that exact inflection point is. I almost think that if he NBA feels like they can contain the, there's a situation where they can kick out only one team and everyone else can keep playing I, think they will I think they will just to to finish the season live that national TV money come in. And get through this campus situation. But I don't know that speculation because again, we don't know what that put that break point is for them. If it's a situation where they can only shutdown one team part of me believes they would push forward and just kind of accept the resulting conversation about the competitive integrity. You know and kind Kinda just chalk this season up to hey, this was always going to be a weird season. Is there a line you think where the NBA would just pull the plug one player in a team? Perhaps enough, it would just be about sending that player home or even just quarantine, but is there a line? Do you think where the League would say? Okay, we we can't do this. We we have to pull the plug. I suspect and again, I, haven't spoken to them. So I'm just speculating here if you end up with. Multiple players, four players on a team. Positive for players on a second team positive or something white VAT scenario where you know not only are you going to? It's not like sending one player home until they've got a team in, it's really not gonNA affect their ability, but you're really knocking out the team and therefore you're knocking out the play that actually is got to be there nightmare scenario. I would think. What is your? You know? You have your own podcast. You talk about this on a daily to an audience. What is what is you know? What last time we talk? There was this eighteen month prediction. What is what is the number? One thing that you're thinking about right now when it comes to this pandemic? I'm. Just one. I'm thinking. So, I would say that there are two two major things I. You got to be thinking about if we get a vaccine in the next six months, for example, we figured out one that's moderately effective and seems to last a long time. Then you gotta be worried how we going to deploy it and you know I think there's been so much focus on warp see. Let's get that vaccine that we haven't focused enough, and I think the political administration hasn't focused enough on. Well, once you've got it, you've got to produce it. You've got to put it in vials and make sure it sterile. You gotta distribute those vials and then you have to administer it. Showed her, and by the way, you have to do that for something like two, hundred, thirty, two, two, hundred, and fifty, million Americans. Just think about that. That's a huge daunting task. So that keeps me up at night and there are lots of stages there that I think could be serious barriers to actually effectively distributing the vaccine because that's what you need to do to get back to normalcy. Have two, hundred, fifty, million Americans immune to this thing through a vaccine. And, if the vaccine requires two. Doses. Then you have to give something like. Four hundred and fifty to five, hundred, million shots at that is a just humongous mind boggling number and I don't think this administration has thought it through at all the second thing that keeps me up is. That you know the fall is going to be challenging. Seriously, seriously, challenging university is going to bring back people. You're gonNA cold is going to start in the north and you're going to have people going inside in October November, that is a recipe for spread more seeing this. One of the reasons that it's the spreading in the south now is is one hundred, sixteen degrees in Phoenix, where are people they're not outside. Outside, sunning themselves or indoors with the air conditioning and indoors with recirculated air is how you end up with infections I'm sorry are things that worry me that we're going to have a big explosion of cases in the fall. It's very, very depressing that people have their ability, their patients, their willingness to stick it out as been taxed, and the contradictory messages that the administration or giving people are undermining their willingness to. Recharge over the summer and be willing to confront this again in the fall that bothers me. So I worry that you know say trump loses you get a new administration trying to get people to do the right thing to be bring the transmission rate down. So we can really get a handle on this thing may not be possible given how you know burned out. Basically, the American public will be. Do, you think that the NBA? Restart? Reflects the declining willingness to stick to stick this out. So you know what I mean is. There is still this push. To like we talked about, you know just as passionate to return to normalcy and I think sports is a is a very good example of that I don't know when I wrote, but I think sometime in April. We wrote an article for The Washington, post about bringing the NFL back and we suggested a bubble. Exactly. You know a similar bubble, a shortened eight game season I. I'm a big Fan of that. I think it's not a symbol of exhaustion. What can we do in this time when we are at home restricted in what we can do to bring back a sense of normalcy? You know having games on. TV. So people can watch them I. think that would be fantastic. It would make the time more bearable, having new television series having new movies coming out not just watching reruns that I think is going to help people get through the tough times by the way you could get. Get through the tough times by you know, listening to my podcast and reading books. There are lots of ways of doing it, but I think fundamental to many people is you know watching TV watching movies, watching sports, I understand that, and I think we should encourage that not discourage it. So I I am all for bringing the sports back because I. think it can make some of the tough moments more bearable for lots and lots of people. Yeah. No, it's a really good point I. Think it's all about mental perseverance congestion. Help you along the way absolutely knowing that we're in it. Right? We're stuck at home and we get out a little bit and those NBA players they're stuck inside their bubble I think that creates a kind of you know understanding a kind of shared experience that we have with NBA players. I. Think it actually Heightens People's ability to put up with it, knowing what the players are putting up with. See, that's why like talking to you Dr Ducey, you're such an optimist that just I rub it off in it, it's so. For lack of a for lack of better word is so contagious at at. It's so great. His podcast is making the coal. He's a former Obama White House health policy advisor key architects for the affordable care act and a great human being daughter is Zeke Emanuel. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure to be here and Good luck. I. Hope this NBA. Experiment is a big success. Many other leagues have returns is the endemic, but the return of the NBA feels even more emphatic. Due to its global appeal. The larger than life personalities led by an overwhelming majority of black athletes. The NBA is in a position to show the sports world what it can do. Not. Just during Corona virus, but also at a time when we fight for social justice. Will. The bubble, stain. Tact. Who knows. But for now. NBA. Fans. Only know this. The League, their stars, and their message are ready for the limelight.

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BONUS: Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

26:15 min | 2 months ago

BONUS: Podding the Bubble - Part 3: Will the NBA Bubble Burst?

"What's up? Everybody got a special treat few today SL produced a three part miniseries on the NBA bubble called potting the bubble. It's a deep dive. Look at the NBA's planned to finish the season. How we got here what this looks like in theory and whether or not. It will actually work. You can listen to all three episodes right here on this feed as little crossover bonus, and if you like it be sure to check out some other pods like open floor and Corona Virus and sports. Previously on putting the bomb. We'll players follow the rules. Right. Will players keep tight? Little setup here. View here. As you make. GotTa, stay. For three months. Straight. Hours. Her. One on one. It's fine now, but it's all going to wear on these guys. In the coming weeks and months, what really is just kind of a microcosm of the situation in the country, right. There are plenty of players that had issues with all this Kyrie Irving was one of the driving forces behind knocked going. But that brings us to a different set of circumstances, which is the social justice issues that are happening in this country right now. Kyri. was among many players that were troubled by the idea that with all that's going on in the country. They, they don't want to be a distraction to that. We ought to. Increase. Jewish boy. Her family. No, I want to say of, Kentucky, to know we feel for it and we want justice. All NBA players are doing a great job. For keeping the movement alive. You know the League. I think it's been a little clunky so far. It sounds crass to say, don't know where the social justice stuff falls in their list of priorities when just trying to make sure everyone is safe and healthy right now. I think it's going to work I. Think it's certainly going to be different. For now, it seems like everything is breaking the right way for the NBA. Welcome to a new series from SL where we dive deep inside the return of the NBA and life inside the bubble on your host with military. Today predicting the outcome. Was the bubble a good idea. and. Now that we have seen the first few weeks of life inside a bubble. How can we ensure health and safety for all involve? And finally, what are the most important factors to consider as this competition intensifies? From sports illustrated. This is putting the bump. We've learned a lot in our journey to understand how the NBA Orlando campus came to be, what life in the bubble is like for players and media, and what to expect from the product on the court. Now. As we look ahead to whether this grand sports experiment will work. We need to understand what's going on outside the bubble as well. We'll be talking to Dr. Ezekiel. Emanuel. Ethicist who adviser a key architect of the affordable care act and the host of making the call podcast. Back in April during the height of the National Corona. Virus. Shutdown. I spoke with Dr Zeke Emanuel for us is corona, vires sports podcast when we first talked to Dr, Zeke. told us to expect an overall timeline of twelve to eighteen months for sports to return. So we caught up with Dr Zeke on the eve of the NBA's returned to action to understand fully, where are we now with the public health crisis in the country and will the NBA Bubble Holt? Dr Zeke will offer his thoughts on the ethical and medical aspects of the bubble and what to maybe anticipate. He will aim to basically do something he's run a good APP predicting the come from an ethics perspective. You'll hear a lot of our conversation throughout this episode. Dr Zeke it's a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us gut to be back with sports illustrated. At some point doctors eve. You could say I told you, sir. Because last time we spoke. It was really in the backdrop of something that you brought up publicly about how this country will need a twelve to eighteen months. Plan in order for things to really return to normalcy the NBA returns with a bubble in Orlando, Florida. And we will talk about all of this. But the first question I have for you, Dr Zeke is paint a picture. For us of how the health crisis? has evolved or rather devolved I. Guess over the course of three months, where are we right now as to when we last spoke? So the first thing to say is the good news. You know, we know that steroids work and saving lives of seriously sick people with Cova we know that REMM disappear decreases hospitalization for people who are seriously ill and were well on our way towards a testing and evaluating the effectiveness of vaccines. We've got one vaccine in an effectiveness trial. That's the Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine. We've got to at the door and we'll. A trials imminently in the next few days. Probably, by the time, the PODCAST is broadcast. That's the really good news One other piece of good news is that New York City, which was a hot spot. I, think when we were last talking as really successfully mitigated, it's crisis and his down low and and I think could service ineffective model. The bad news is we have more cases than ever every day being produced and that's not. Not, as president trump says because of testing, it's because we have more cases thirty or forty states depending upon the day are hitting records in terms of new cases. The death rate was going down and it's now turned around and is going back up That's not good and we have I think expended or spent or wasted. The most valuable thing we have, which is the American people's perseverance and willingness to tough this out mostly because. We just haven't had a plan. We haven't been able to do what Europe Canada has done, which is when we get to the top of that curve, come down and come down very far for the so that the rate of transmission as low the number of new cases low and it's safe to open up slowly mostly with outdoor events, outdoor restaurants, outdoor activities of small groups So that if any cases arise, we can actually suppress them Instead you know places like Japan? John, and Alabama and Arizona and Texas and Florida rushed in opened up indoor items like indoor dining, indoor bars, beauty parlours, Tattoo. Parlors. And places where large groups of people could congregate and we've seen the consequence, you know big explosions and numbers of cases. Big Explosions in terms of hospitalizations, and then three or four weeks later, deaths It was all predictable unfortunately, and in some ways, we're right back where we were three months ago. So, in that list of states that you're talking about you, the last one you said was floored. And Florida is the host state of the NBA bubble and you know the NBA not the only one we have had the WNBA and also mls who's already more than halfway through its tournament. All of this is happening in the state. What is your view when it comes to hosting sporting events interstate? That's not a New York. Actually, that's you know that's the state that's going even reports when it comes to positive infections. Well, I think it's a, it's a risk You know it's a bubble and to the extent that you can actually successfully sequester people and keep them inside the bubble. What's happening outside shouldn't matter. That's the whole point of a bubble On the other hand, you've already had someone breached the bubble, people want some relief and that's your problem i. I believe these players are you know they've already shown you there tempted to break the bubble even for minor things. I getting food, that's where the risk is going to be. They're going to interact with someone. They're going to go to a bar. They're going to do something that is going to increase the chance of transmission, and that is the problem. Well from a safety perspective, it's looking good. NBA Senior writer Chris Mannix. Their processes are pretty solid. They're protocols are pretty solid and. I think everything is in a good place right now for the NBA. I do think that you know boredom will set in cabin, fever will set in. Washington Post National NBA writer Bengal over and the host of s is open floor podcast. It already feels a little bit like groundhog day. You know just kinda going through the same thing every day every day, and when you don't have the ability to even go to a grocery store or you don't have the ability to, hey, take drive out to the ocean or do some of the like safer type of trips that people are able to do quarantine those kinds of feeling set in. Right. Now, players have assigned seats on on the bench. It took the players I. saw about you know one quarter to say screw it. I'm not sitting in my assigned seat and they just got up and said anywhere and look I understand that there's not a huge need for social distancing players on a bench when they're out, they're not social distancing on the court. So I think there are some subtle. Things that will change and evolve with the NBA. But there, there's going to be somebody that tries to burst the bubble like somebody. Whether, it's a woman or otherwise somebody's going to try to. Stick somebody like I'm just convinced that's going to happen not in the next couple of weeks, but maybe you get into. Early early September. Maybe. It happens. I think the saving grace for many players. That after the first round, you can bring friends and family in, and that's why they'll have a little bit more More normalcy to their lives. But the NBA's doing everything, they can to protect that bubble integrity. His bobble is paramount to the NBA because you know there's so much money on the line finishing the season. We're hearing a lot Dr Zeke about just a rigorous and almost military thinking when it comes to the League in how it wants to make sure that what you're saying doesn't happen that players don't break the rules that they stay inside this bubble that they follow the rules, and if they do that, then hopefully things will be okay. It's also human nature for somebody, especially, a player when they're twenty, three, twenty, four years, old living in a three months. Situation is just bound to happen that somebody might make a mistake. Would you say that that is the hardest obstacle that the NBA faces a player or a staff member breaking the rule and therefore really risking. A positive infection. Well, I don't know the heart issue. Want me to pick out the absolute hardest. But you know the NBA is doing a very good job of trying to ensure that everyone who comes into the bubble is co vid free. Right? You've got the Corinthian. You've got test thing So they're doing of as rigorous job as you can to try to make sure that they don't have people who are covert. Pasta. So then the really big risk is as you put it, someone's going to break the Corentin go out potentially run into someone who's covert positive, especially given the frequency of covert in Florida and going to. Get infected themselves and spread it before they have been tested, and that's a you know I. I can't say that. That whether it's the absolute biggest risk, the NBA faces, but it is a one of the top ones I would agree with that. Would you say is risk? Well, another risk is anyone who's GonNa come in bringing food bringing in new basketball's bring in whatever they need brought in on a daily basis. That's another place you could see a risk and during this scenario. Do. You think that. It was a good idea to do this because ultimately when it comes to sports at least money is the driver right this. This is not not a coincidence. The reason why the NBA is doing this in Florida it's because of its strong powerful relationship with Disney. Hence the financial. Advantages, but do you do you think it was smart to do this? Why? Why would the bubble nod work? My God, you sports, journalists are cynical money. You don't think gets the love of the game. So. I do think that there's gotta be some love of the game going on here. I certainly hope so and I hope it's not only money but. and. Let me say I WANNA qualify for people. Who? Love Basketball I love watching basketball I was just watching you know right before everything hit in February or went to a a seventy sixers game that was just fantastic and thrilling. But I'm not a huge fan. I'm not obsessive. I could probably not tell you any single player on any team You know the the last time I was really a big fan was you know I'm a Chicago boy? It was the Bulls in Jordan. Jordan and everything. But I know and understand that sports is a huge part of American society and there are people for whom this is a very big issue. We are all being deprived of our regular parts of life, and so I think restarting sports is important and I've written that you know we have to restart sports. We have to be willing to take some risk to restart sports. So I'm all for the NBA doing this restarting. I have disagreements about how much testing they're doing other things. But do we need to have the NBA restart? Do we need to have the WNBA, restart would be good if the NFL. Restarted. Yes. This is this is a critical part of American life and I, think it's important. Well. That's a very good point. The return to normalcy is just as important as the need for attention to make sure that everybody is safe, and by the way cynicism and a sports journalist is almost part of our DNA Dr Zeke's are. I guess, the money quest UNIS would this been other conversations that we had would be in a better situation if we dealt with it in a state that wasn't as fragile as Florida. You know, does it make a difference to make something tournament like this in a state that perhaps as a better control does it matter? Look I mean, you have to bail several things. One thing you need to balances, can you actually create a bubble and where is it best to create a bubble? NEW YORK? City is probably not the best place to create a bubble just. Just guessing the the question is, yes. Florida has a high transmission rate and that's bad and that introduces a lot of risk if people get outside the bubble, but you'll have to ask yourself where can you actually create a bubble that is most likely to be effective, and that may, in fact, be the various facilities that the NBA. The, WNBA are using. Here's s is NBA writer, Rohan Narconon. One way or another I think that this bubble is going to serve as an example for how this country needs to move forward, and I think that. Really, what I'm looking forward to is if it works, now, we have a concrete example of what wearing masks does. What's what contact tracing does what you know frequent testing does we need we need. We need an example of those things because it's not happening at a large enough scale in this country on the flip side, even if it doesn't work, then I think we still have an example of we can't rush things back. You know these people poured hundreds of millions of dollars into this idea trying to make it work, and they still were not able to because that's how unpredictable this viruses and I think. One way or another. I ultimate hope is that it gives people an example of how this virus is going to be quote unquote defeated until there's a vaccine, how do you think the players react if the health risks escalate in the bubble hatch and how does the tournament and the League? Adam silver is said that he is willing to pull the plug on this. If there is a major outbreak, no one knows what that exact inflection point is i. almost think that if he NBA feels like they can contain. There's a situation where they can kick out only one team and everyone else can keep playing. I. Think they will I think they will just to to finish the season with that national TV money come in. And kind of get through this, you know campus situation. But I, don't know that speculation because again, we don't know what that put that break point is for them. If, it's a situation where they can only shut down one team part of me believes they would push forward and just kind of accept the resulting conversation about to competitive integrity. You know and Kinda just chalk this season up to hey this, always going to be a weird season. Zeke. Is there a line? Do you think were the NBA which is pull the plug? One player in a team perhaps isn't enough. It would just be about sending that player home or even you know just quarantine, but is there a line do think where the League would say, okay, we can't do this. We we have to pull the plug I suspect and again I haven't spoken to them. So I'm just speculating here if you end up with. Multiple players, four players on a team. Positive and four players on a second team positive or something white fat scenario where you know not only are you going to? It's not like sending one player home until they've got team in, it's really not going to affect their ability, but you're really knocking out the team and therefore you're knocking out the play that actually is got to be there nightmare scenario I would think. What is your? You know? You have your own podcast, you talk about this on a daily to an audience. What is what is you know last time we talked there was this eighteen month prediction. What is what is the number? One thing that you're thinking about right now when it comes to this pandemic? I. Just one. I'm thinking. So I, I would say that there are two two major things i. You got to be thinking about if we get a vaccine in the next six months, for example, we figured out one that's moderately effective and seems to last a long time. Then you gotta be worried, how are we going to deploy it and you know I think there's been so much focus on warp seemed. Let's get that vaccine that we haven't focused enough and I. I think the the political administration hasn't focused enough on. Well, once you've got it, you've got to produce it. You've got to put it in vials and make sure sterile. You gotta distribute those files and then you have to administer it into people shoulder, and by the way you have to do that for something like two, hundred and thirty, two, hundred and fifty million Americans. Just think about that. That's a huge daunting task. So that keeps me up at night and there are lots of stages there that I think could be a serious barriers to actually effectively distributing the vaccine because that's what you need to do to get back to normalcy have two hundred and fifty million Americans immune to this thing through a vaccine and if the vaccine requires two. Doses then you have to give something like. Four, hundred and fifty, five, hundred, million shots at that is a just humongous mind boggling number and I don't think this administration has thought it through at all the second thing that keeps me up is. That you know the fall, it's going to be challenging. Seriously, seriously, challenging university is going to bring back people you're going to cold is GonNa Start in the North and you're going to have people going inside in October November, that is a recipe for spread more seeing this. One of the reasons that it's spreading in the south now is is one hundred, sixteen degrees in Phoenix, where are people, they're not outside sunning themselves or indoors with the air conditioning and indoors with recirculated air is how you end up with infections I'm so those are things that worry me that we're GONNA have a big explosion of cases. Cases in the fall, it's very, very depressing that people have their ability, their patients, their willingness to stick it out as been taxed, and the contradictory messages that the administration are giving. People are undermining their willingness to you know, recharge over the summer and be willing to confront this again in the fall that bothers me. So I worry that you know say trump lose you get a new administration trying to get people to do the right thing to be bring the transmission rate down. So we can really get a handle on this thing may not be possible given how you know burned out, basically, the American public will be. Do. You think that the NBA restart. Reflects the declining willingness to stick to stick this out. So you know what I mean is. There is still this. Push. To like we talked about just this passion to return to normalcy and I think sports is. A very good example of that I i. don't know when I wrote, but I think sometime in April, we wrote an article for the Washington Post about bringing the NFL back and we suggested a bubble. Exactly. You know a similar bubble shortened eight GAME SEASON I. Fan of that I. Think it's not a simple of exhaustion. It's a symbol of what can we do in this time when we are at home restricted in what we can do to bring back a sense of normalcy, you know having Games on, TV? So people can watch them I think that would be fantastic. It would make the time more bearable having new television series having new movies coming out not just watching reruns that I think is going to help people get through. Through the tough times. By the way, you could get through the tough times by listening to my podcast and reading books. There are lots of ways of doing it, but I think fundamental to many people is you know watching TV watching movies watching sports, I understand that, and I think we should encourage that not discourage it. So I am all for bringing the sports back because I think it can make some of the tough moments more bearable for lots and lots of people. You know it's a really good point. I think it's sort of mental perseverance can. Help you along the way absolutely knowing that we're in it. Right. We're stuck at home and you know we get out a little bit and those NBA players they're stuck inside their bubble. I. Think that creates a kind of you know understanding a kind of you know shared experience that we have with NBA player. I think it actually heightens people's ability to put up with it, knowing what the players are putting up with. See, that's what I like talking to you, Dr. you're such an optimist that I rob it off in it. It's so at. So for lack of a for lack of a better word is so contagious that it's so great. His podcast is making the coal. He's a former Obama White House health policy advisor key architects for the affordable care act and a great human being daughter Ezekiel Zeke Emanuel. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure to be here and good luck at I. I hope this NBA experiment is vic success. Many. Other Leagues have returns is the endemic. But. The return of the NBA feels even more emphatic. Due to its global appeal. The larger than life personalities led by an overwhelming majority of black athletes. The NBA is in a position to show the sports world what it can do. Not just during corona virus. But also at a time when we fight for Social Justice Will the bubble stay intact. WHO KNOWS But for now. NBA. Fans only know this. The league their stars, and their message are ready for the limelight.

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Trumps Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick

Tessa and Elliot Argue

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Trumps Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick

"HELLO AND WELCOME TO T. And I'm Elliott. Elliott argue a quick episode this week. Umbrella. Academy. season. Two. Came out today and I gotta you forgot I forgot Oh my God I literally I gotTa Get all my shit done today's I can watch it tonight because I work all day tomorrow Oh my God I totally forgot among you really yes the fuck is wrong for again. I. Don't know I, had a lot on my mind today I. Guess. I've been so excited all day I've been like, can we go home and watch on Parrella Academy Shit? I'm you know we're watching Regan watching Shits Creek was is really good no, it is. But like WALKMAN UMBRELLA ACADEMY SEASON Two. In the reviews like phenomena, I haven't read any of them, but they're all like very positive. Yeah, sounding. Anyway. Each week we bring you a list of news stories. A quick briefly listen new stories because I got shit to do. Umbrella. I got to follow up stories this week. Okay. Let's go them I. Thought Sharp. North Korea reports its first apparent cove. In nineteen case I thought there was another first apparent. Cove nineteen, the vaccine. No, but they had when they shot him. I think I was making that up. What? You can just bring made up news start news starting titles. Now, no I don't think I like you said it like weeks ago they had zero cases reporting and I see says. Him Yeah I said that part I made that part up. No You They did you made it up? I was like Oh North Korea has zero. There's just now it now a thing I think your reasons dame article no because this one literally was from this week. And then last week I reported how they had a vaccine which was article in front of Danny Kaye. He might be I think he might be a little here. He told me who he chose and you don't know because he didn't say it publicly. Listen Danny Kaye I don't have a bedtime. And I'm real responsible with money. Yeah. That's definitely a quality you want a mother. Array real heiress muzzle. You are. Jesus. I only every coke out of a glass bottle by single glass bottle coke's every time. Damn and I could hear clinging in the garbage and like this. fucking. Spending a fortune on fucking Mexico on sale, they weren't they weren't couldn't have. Follow up story number two yet. What? The Pentagon has reportedly found world vehicles not made of this earth. Reportedly. This whole week I was like please. This week to that was yeah. No I was not looking at I found it this week I've been like, please just let a mothership fly out of his as please. Let me be right like wine because I kinda don't WanNa live on this planet anymore and to really wanted to be right. I've quoted Star are season Mr Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation a defense contractor said he gave a classified briefing tweet Defense Department Agency as recently as March about retrievals from off world vehicles not made of this earth. But where were they found? It's classified and needs to not be classified. I need answers. How am I? I would argue not at all I. Think. Also distraction. Oh well from yeah. Everything else. Yeah. No kidding. All right. So those are I to follow. Those are your to follow ups. All right now we both talked about okay you gotTa Fall. Okay, go for it. Oh. God, why are you laughing beforehand honey mansion claim to be setting for Erie horror story goes on sale claimed. No haunted claimed allegedly young allegedly haunted but haunted dude. Did you go google real hills now I looked on vice. Oh good. Yeah. I was like Elliott got a story from their outlook. All right. All right. It's a race to see which has can talk about demon. Spurs refers. Now I do believe that you and I have shared a story about a woman who was married to a ghost. Allegedly, she wanted to have a spirit baby I thought she had spirit baby. No she wanted to add this is waiting for her were. On the weightless for Dr Ezekiel, Emanuel Dow really all Stella. Emmanuel's Ela Mana. There you go. All right. She's on the wait list. We don't need we all know this woman race I have two stories from her what both of them are different. Okay. The first one is like trump's new cova doctor says sex with demons makes you sick? Yes. What do you? What's your story? I just had a list of things that she was. She believes it to be facts. Okay. Well, here's a quote from that article quote she alleges. is currently using medical treatments that scientists are cooking a vaccine to prevent people from being. Yes I have that I also have. The magic eight ball. The magic eight ball is psychic and part of his scheme to get children used to witchcraft. Okay. Jesus, Christ Harry Potter does a better job with that. Jesus Christ will destroy facebook. That's my other story. That's my story if hurt. Video isn't restored to platform. Now I've quotes from that. Go ahead because I have more. Okay. The by the story on her on that was viral sensation Dr. Stella Emmanuel says Jesus will destroy facebook her co video doesn't go back up Jesus. Got Too much shit today now here we go. Quote. This is what she tweeted. I think I think it was a tweet. Hello facebook put back my profile page and videos up or your computers with start crashing till you do she tweeted overnight. Continues you are not bigger than God I. Promise You. If my pages not back up facebook will be down in Jesus name. Amen. To that, I, say yeah burnt. Burnt, to the ground, the burn facebook. FUCKING, ground? Now I got blocked on facebook. For. Saying that Oh yeah. I'm going to believe covid news from a doctor who thinks Demons give US S. T. is. It's not that they give you. The sperm is what's poisoning L. K. I. Mistake Man it's fine. We also have decided that the demons themselves. There's going to be a rash of new paranormal romance novel. All I hope with him I'm actually considering. I am now are you? Oh, yeah we'll be together. No. I. Don't I don't have a writing partner. Okay. So I got more stuff about her. Yes. Okay. Gay Marriage will lead to adults marrying children and Gay Americans are practicing homosexual terrorism. Now. Yes. We need to get your friend Tyler on who is openly gay yes. And for him to explain what Homa sexual terrorism is to us, I'm talking to somebody about what homosexual tear because I was very confused and I wanted to be informed journalists and I was like, what is what is journalists this journalism? Doing is dirt even news boy I mostly honest. Okay. Tucker Carlson. No I WANNA. Be The guy that was like on the airplane that crashed or the helicopter crash. O'Brien will yeah, the helicopter. Brian Williams was legit though yeah. I like I was on like I just yeah anyway. Believe his daughters decided that they've she. She gets her butthole eaten in the showgirls, Oh my God. So we've decided that they've missed an opportunity with homosexual terrorism as not having they did giant drag shows. All over the world, they missed the opportunity. To kind of terrorist. I hope this becomes a thing I think it's picked up like 'cause I to me running with that is fantastic. Yes I do more shit about this. Doctor, it's a lot of stuff about like, Oh, the alignment ATI has a plan hatched by a wedge to destroy the world using abortion gay marriage and children's toys. Also. Where is it Oh hot had actually core Queen Cures Cove nineteen obviously yeah. which is what started this whole thing we talk about your cousin, we ought to discuss your custom. CARE NOTE I won't use any names. Poked my God. Tesla has his cousin who he's much older than you. He's my parents age, right? Yes. He's probably a little younger than my parents because his kids are in their teens. Yes so He's like between by parent in US honestly, you could say my cousin. Say. He was very surprising. So many people. Sure I. Yes you're. Talking about though I, know you do rick. Anyway, this dude. Posts the most buck wild, Shit. We could do a whole episode on what this dude posts on facebook. Maybe, we even should because it is the. Stuff ever is very wack. WACK attack and I don't want to get rid of him because I love seeing it. Yes he's the one. In front is a very strong word, he's the one person on my facebook. That's like that everybody all my other friends are all like can you believe these mother fuckers won't put on a mask? Piece, of cloth the whole mass thing to me also is it's every high school kid I see is like these fuckers are ruining my high school football season right? These fuckers ruining my marching band season up these farmers are ruining school for me. They're willing to do it every high school could I've had all these mother? fuckers are ruining everything after me? While I'm like dude I'm sorry. So I was thinking on the way to the store. I was like. People, follow traffic laws. Like people follow these laws why? Why is that like not conforming? Or why is that can not? and. I love my the analogy that I loved us with the whole mask thing is like your seatbelts work. Why do I need to break right your airbag work why does it matter if? I hit you write your airbag works really. That's literally that well, if you're not driving drunk or if I'm not driving drunk why or if you're driving yeah. No, you got it. No. It's Not Driving? Drunk. If I'm not driving drunk if you're driving, why should why do I need to drive drunk now? So driving's Your. Sober. Why do I need to be sober? Yes. Yes. That's it. Yeah. Got You know that's great. You're sober Y. I can't wait for this to be this week's clip now the whole time. He's Why is he always like? You may the clips are like you're always like really funny. Well, here's finding and our tears Elizabeth, and minor like. All over the fucking microphone. Second Clip for the week? No, it's pretty easy because I'm stupid. Stupid because I'm the one that edits the show. I'm the one who titles the shows. I don't have your news top stories in front of me when I'm titling the show. Yeah. So I have to look at my sprint, my word document for the tiles I use, and that's where I choose it. Yeah. Because usually I were recording this and then I'm editing the day or two later right and so I don't remember all of your stories. So I'll look at the ones I look did because I have a list of in Pixel funniest one, I think or the most inappropriate one. Yeah. The cliffs I real- I literally pick the ones that I laugh out. Because I'll be editing and you'll be what was that and I'll be like, Oh let me play my headphones so you can hear this fucking stupid thing I said stupid. Yeah. So also Dr Manual believes that the government's run by Lizard people I believe that that Lizard people run. Yes, I'll do. You believe that. But you don't realistic thing. Yeah I've seen a lizard. I've seen bigger lizards. I've never seen a ghost. You. Right Now, you more I do have more Mike Hud why no go continue oh no no, no I don't. Okay. Got More stories. Yeah I got serious. Okay. Dear been stranded on an island above Niagara Falls for almost a year. He's not stranded. Tessa only you self isolating he's fine. He cares about the people. Yeah. Have you seen that Have you seen that photo of don't wine at the State Fair No. Okay. So there's a far by the way. Yeah. So there's a photo going around of our governor, not wearing a mask at the state fair and so people are like if he's not if he's not following. Like mass quarters why should we the photos from last year because they didn't ban state? They did not ban fares in Ohio. Instead, they banned rides rides. Grand grandstands, games and something else but not fairs themselves all the French everything that affair has been banned. But I can still have that I don't know what's happening at that fair. 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I went to the hospital and they said the best they could do for me was to roll the remaining stump up like a little sausage it was heartbreaking. Oh. My Gosh. Yes Dora he's got one growing on his arm, but it's not the same. They can't put apparently supposed to do what penises deal. Won't feel the same though okay. I. Would Say I knew the story would get you in fields because besides like football this is like. And your cat and you. Allegedly I mean. Until Languid Weiner. Everyone has one well, half the population has one. Important people how people are vote have one Women are loud about. In some countries well, we're trying to fix that here. We'll see how it works. We'll see November gross. We'll see maybe. November maybe like I dunno twenty, twenty four. The best part is he did that I didn't have this is the story and then literally today he was bitching about North Korea or somebody else with the wrong. Hong Kong. Yeah. It wasn't way. Yeah. It was China they were. He's busy much China and their democracy, their voting rights. Yeah. Motherfucker you just yesterday. And then everyone was like, no, this bitch does not have any power to cancel voting what DUMB ASS ALAGOAS We're not political anymore though we're not God they just really suck at it. Such a fucking, moron. Man Fires Warning shots in Miami Hotel Lobby after telling guests quote you aren't social distancing. That'll get him going. Oh Shit. Dig Interest I recorded last night with our friends, Jason and Jeff. All talk about more by the later at the end. But they're like shit off fire down here dude. Like Damn. It's I mean it's I mean it's kindling here in Ohio. It's growing but he's like they were like do shit is on fucking fire. It was kind of not fun to talk about it, but it was interesting to hear like from. Florida Yeah I was like, oh. Yeah. Like you guys live there. Like. The news is like constantly talking about Florida here. And they'd be like over necks which we probably are realistically L. Yeah. If. Not Arguably already like. Their way. They're like one step above having a wall built around Florida. It's anyway so then. It's my wife's turned to pick our son's name and I hate it how This Yup. I did not have this on my list, but I saw this yes. But a stupid yes. Did you read the Article? No I glance data's it gets a little crazy. So had a daughter they got married young they had a daughter. They broke up six months later after daughter was born. She. I I'll out Rueda man. As they were on a break. She went out and got pregnant by another man woven listens the baby that. Is Is the other man's baby. Okay. Which is one of her best longtime friends. Spoiler they're not friends anymore. Yeah. Okay. So they got back together and he decided he would raise the kid as his own or whatever horrible mistake no stop it's not your it's not it's asset. It's very valiant. It is shot look it can't be I'm sure can be anyway. Look I have friends that have adopted children in that have steph children anyway. So she wants to name the child Tuesday. Yes right Tuesday. That terrible. It's a girl's name skit. Tuesday's that bad. It just makes me think of Wednesday addams. Yeah I don't think I don't think Wednesdays. Is used to it. She. Opened the bottle she twists it. She's taking drink to drink three drink four. Case GonNA put the cap back on twisting to twist twist law she can go shake a little bit because she's a fucking monster. And then we're going to continue. I mean, we've decided our kids nee are nonexistent kids name aren't all of them. If we have three, we do which were not having but if we were to, yes, we determined that before we were even like. engaged. It was. Early because we saw sign on and on the way to Marysville let's right. You trap me aren't we GONNA say are. No just like we're not talking about your thing. It's funny. It's funny. Don't go. Panicking White House as staffers discover, there's some sort of pandemic happening what? Not, even joking legit article from like Newsweek Nah. Yeah. This is a real thing a satire. No, that's a real fucking headlight like Newsweek article. That's why I was like, Oh, that's really funny like wider legit like okay. This is the thing. Now we should really focus on this like, okay I guess hundred and fifty thousand people. Oh Yeah. We'll focus on a now. Isn't that scary? Yes. Yeah. Well, that was like my aunt. Your Fan Article Your family is all a bunch of we worry about only my dad's the only one on my side that posts super lab but like well but we don't see the other your other family that like is. They haven't van they live. Oh, the idea family. Okay. She posted this thing talking about how Trump. The Savior for Jesus went on and was like governors are going to open up churches again because churches are already. I have a story. Let me say the Damn Story. Church governors are going to open up churches again or I'm going to go in and like what are you GonNa do like. Kick door. Fuck and so I was just like our Ohio. Were never forced close like, yeah. Not really like I don't know where I don't know about Kentucky but. Yeah. I don't know about Kentucky but anywhere else like. You know I, don't know. Anything about any of that. But like. Yeah we never were forced to close like they did it because it's for the good of the people but whatevs. Yeah, he's a big savior Jesus. God bless you. Stu Trump. Berlin court rules beady s parlors can open as long as everyone wears a mask. Every. is, medical fetish night until we tell you differently. Every night. Okay. Yeah, the medical fetish is not a fetish of mine. Is Not a huge fetish online. The outfits that they wear are Oh, my God not the act of like smacking someone around or getting smacked, but it's elevates man they're so just. Woman Casually Wears Campsie box as makeshift face covering while shopping. That's pretty good picture. Yes. To, pull it up but yet oh, worry about it. It's fine I'll look. But yeah she she's Martin is. We only colleges fuck boy says Teacher Matthew. Hubbard asked her to England. Size her name. Her name is fuck boy. Okay. F. F. Excuse, me. P. H. U. C. B. U. I. Okay that's how. But when you say it's fuck boy right. He wants to call her Mary. Her name is fuck boy and she was very confused when he told her to change it. For. She was like what she and then she had to have someone explained to her what that even men what a fucked boy is. Yeah. They should her picture of me. And then Turns out. He is now on administrative. Leave. Indefinitely. As he's like you, your date can't be fuck boy. Not Fuck boy. The worst part is I've watched the video of her interview and she's like this nicest. Oh. Person that like I've had a lot of international students for driving lesson throughout the years and they're always the like the super nicest people because they're like, oh, sorry domino very good driving or sorry. My English is not going to be very good. I apologize ahead of time right like a either a very nice and be their English is always like. Totally. Fine Right. They're always like more like articulate than Lake High School people always they always they're always sorry my English won't be very good. I'm like dude, you're fine. Yeah. I promise it'll be if anything my English will be awful. Yeah. When Caleb was preaching the one time and he said Mahyco instead of Mexico he's like I'm so sorry Oh yeah. I'll have to apologize for that if anything they keep you some culture. Yeah. No Shit Yeah. All right. Well, that is going to do it for us, this week. A, little bit of a shorter episode than we've been doing is it we're at twenty eight minutes. I guess they haven't been. Can you edit it down by? Yeah. I do have some announcements and announcement. Yeah. I was I believe it's going to be airing a Monday because that's usually when they drop episodes. Yeah. But I was recently on film Soliloquy with my friends, Jason and Jeff Get your friends to I guess. My Friends I. But your friends yeah. their podcast film Soliloquy. They've it's the home of the involuntary Film Review. I I know we've talked about them before but Iowa I talked to I watched and talked about movie called upgrade slugging. Yes, that's you know that. There, Jeff does such a good job with that kind of stuff. Maybe that was could be coli wrong if in that case, Jason is a good job. And then they watch the vast of night which nuts spoilt no spoilers for like what they thought but it has a ninety three percent rating on rotten tomatoes eighty five percent metacritic rating. So you know do without with what you will. But for now on when you asked me what I think of the movie I'll have to let you know what? I, the grade that they give. It is the great that I had now have to call it. Yes. I love that premise where you're like you me like John Wick. But Scott from budget arcade don't listen to that podcast fuck those guys. Is Jeff All budget? Okay, ause well. Now. But. Mark is a mark. Hates cats apparently Oh oh yeah. What? Yeah he was bitching about cats and so what we like is a good episode canceled mark. Mark I don't know. He doesn't listen I. Don't know you but fuck you mark. Hey careful. He's a cop. He could shoot you and you would you mark Oh please dot let mark here this because he's not gonna he's GonNa be the wrong with these people he insulted cats yeah he was kind of hateful about cats jeff defended himself. Jeff. Jeff like calm down mark cats, Irvine pandemic cats are fantastic but. Again I love Jason. Jeff Lowest Dudes we've. Never met but like a door, those guys adore they're trying to meet them and we'll not Jason but we try to Jeff Disney but he said no I believe Scott said no Scott's believe a Scott at a fishing end you invited. In mark who hates cat you didn't invite more. No, he invited onto the show onto the budget. That is a that is a slight against us. Americans not at all podcast. Okay. I refuse again, mark is never going to hear any of this I don't care ever fuck mark. Okay. All right. More any what else you WANNA yell at I. Don't know I'll like our president. Fox, that Dr. Food. How do you go through that much training to be like demons firms? Don't suck off a demon. Don't let the demon come face. Rather put a like adult tag. I always market explicit, but that's good. Anyway. You have the last Florida story I ain't GonNa start introducing are are talking about our new podcast. It's coming out after all. Yet. Today will be August second I. Believe Yeah. I guess probably next episode we'll start talking about it more regularly because it comes on the middle of September. I do have the man story, but you can listen to it. Now would have one episode up called. Adaptations Awry. So there is an episode up so like when the feed actually does start Florida man arrested for handing out marijuana because it was Christmas. He was trying to bless all the little children blessed. The little children who do you sell your drugs to plus everyone. All right. Thank you.

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Chris Hayes | Trump Repeats Coronavirus Failures in Push to "Reopen" Economy: A Closer Look

Late Night with Seth Meyers Podcast

29:36 min | 5 months ago

Chris Hayes | Trump Repeats Coronavirus Failures in Push to "Reopen" Economy: A Closer Look

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After ignoring those warnings the president is pushing prematurely reopened the economy threatening to repeat the same mistakes he made at the start of this crisis for more on this. It's time for a closer look when Donald trump was elected in two thousand sixteen. This was exactly the kind of nightmare scenario. Everyone was afraid of what would happen in a global crisis if the most powerful man in the world was a racist game show host who's failed at virtually everything is life except for pretending to be a successful businessman on TV and he's not even good apprehending me look at them pretending to be president. He just stares directly into the camera and he can't even be bothered to at least put some fake documents on his desk. You can almost hear the dial tone blasted out of the phone. He looks like a tourist taking a photo on the set of deep impact. Wow Is this the phone? Maureen Freeman used. You know everyone freaked out about the asteroid a movie but it ended up being no worse than common everyday flew. The point is this is the crisis everyone feared in fact before trump took office president. Obama's outgoing teen tried to prepare trump's incoming team for this exact scenario a scenario experts had warned about for years days before Donald Trump took office. Some of President Obama's advisors walked the incoming presidents team through a hypothetical scenario remarkably. Like the one we are living through now. It was a briefing on. What would happen if a quick spreading virus would race through London and soul and in that scenario they presented governments imposing travel bans? There were shortages at hospitals across the country and today. Roughly two-thirds of those trump administration officials who participated in that simulation are no longer in government. That's right most of the trump officials who worked for him back then aren't even there anymore. They're either in jail on Fox News in the bargain bin at a Barnes and noble high. Excuse me this Sean Spicer Book only has blank pages. Look at that. I guess you're the first person to ever open one. This White House has more staff turnover than six flags over summer. Break even made the six flags mascot commerce secretary. What Obama's team should have done is run a simulation for what would happen. When a sociopath president dismisses repeated warnings from intelligence officials in public health experts that a pandemic is coming and fires. Anyone who's done any planning for it. Okay so The first thing you do in that case as you call it net flicks And you get them to release an emergency bonus episode of Tiger King Ace App you know. Think of it as a I don't know where are they now situation? You know maybe someone got new teeth and again you know. Obviously let's pray. It never comes to this in fact as we've now learned one former trump official homeland security advisor. Tom Bossert was part of a group of people trying to warn the government series of exchanges called the red dawn emails. The emails were nicknamed after Nineteen eighty-four Patrick swayze movie. But if you're going to pick a swayze movie I feel like ghost would have been a better choice. Since the government's response is clearly being led by one. I mean. Yikes we'll get in. Jared Kushner looks like he just appeared out of nowhere after someone read and Edgar Allan Poe story into a cracked mirror and then demanded you pay for the mirror. It's weird that the public health response is being led by a guy who looks like he would sneak into your hospital room and pinch your IV line closed until you told him where the microfilm was. It's a simple question so when those red dawn emails we found out that bossert and others had expressed concerns about trump's slow incoherent response like for example when trump announced a hasty and confusing European travel ban that led to jam packed airports in cities like Chicago after there were already documented cases of community spreading here in the US bossert wrote. Can anyone justify the European travel restrictions scientifically seriously? Is there any benefit? I don't see it but I'm hoping there is something I don't know that's how we all feel but it's never the case with trump. Things are always exactly as they seem. For example we see him using every muscle in his face to squint at the teleprompter staring at a magic. I Post and say I think the president can't see but I'm hoping there's something I don't know. And then you tune into his unhinged Rose Garden press conference Tuesday night in which announced in the middle of global pandemic that he was pulling funding from the World Health Organization. And you see this. I instructed my team to use the Defense Protection Act and the defense production act was used very powerfully. All of the aid that we send will be discussed at very very powerful little letters. We see like we're starting to see it more than ever before we've held our rate the numbers that everything we've done we've been very very strong audit and very powerful on it. He sounds like a guy on a date getting lines through an earpiece and the fee. Just cut out the light in your eyes. It show show whether it's lady I mean there is you know also I like when his brain melts is go to. Words are strong and powerful. It's like listening to a focus group on advertising for pickup trucks. Okay folks what are some words that might make you WanNa buy a Ford F one fifty strong Powerful very powerful. That'd be another word for me. Want to put that For me and by the way that's the Guy News. Networks have decided to air unfiltered during a national emergency. The Guy can't even read his own script. If that's the kind of content on cable networks just take a live feed of my GRANDPA is next eye exam and by the way. It doesn't make it better when you give it a negative Chiron like CNN. Did on Monday with angry. Trump turns briefing into propaganda session. You know who else turn that into a propaganda session pointing your camera. At before you showed up it was just crazy. Lawn man does thing. You can't air a propaganda session and criticize it. It's like if MTV Jersey shore with the disclaimer change the channel. This show sucks and that is what it was propaganda session in fact. The White House edited together a campaign style video highlighting trump's various statements about the crisis and trump actually had people inside. Your government paid with your tax dollars. Make that video the video. I've never seen a video like that play in this room. It looks like a campaign at who who produced video that was done by a group in the office was produced here in. The White House has done by Dan and a group of people. Oh Oh's done by Dan. An Group of people first of all. It's funny that it was only Dan who got named and everyone else who was complicit. In this book lumped into a group of people trump knows how to accidentally shame someone by giving them credit for something terrible. Dan Dan you come over here and talk about the propaganda video. You may taxpayer dollars. You're shaking your head. No Dan Dan. Dan come up here dared show over. When you're facing take credit for this thing you did then FAO g how. `Bout you do you want to see a few words about did made you judge again. Fetchy THIS GUY. Levy thoug- particularly trump touting his on travel from China but according to experts the ban only served by the White House time to ramp up testing and hospital capacity and start community mitigation efforts they wasted and when he was asked to explain what he did with all that time in. February trump decided to get into a fight with a reporter Paula Reid of. Cbs asked the question. Thousands of lives that you bought the argument is that you bought yourself in time. You didn't have to prepare hospitals. You didn't use it to ramp up testing. Show wanting to so disgraced so disgracefully you said. Let let me just listen. I just went older at stake. People I just wanted to over unprecedented quite. Nobody thought we should do it. And when I did it at the time that you bought the fact that we did what do you do? What do you do when you have no case in the whole United States? When you choose me you reported zero cases. Zero deaths on January seventy the entire journey on January thirty. Your travel ban a lot and in fact will give you a list Dan. Dan Can you get us that list? You made of everything we didn't February. You're shaking your head. No Damn but I know you have a list of everything. We didn't February this lady's asking me about the February list. Add IT'LL BE BETWEEN GENDER the January list and then the march list Dan Dough made we tell everyone your last name. Dan. It's giving. Oh also thank you. For reminding trump to his face there are real world consequences here for the thousand to have died in their loved ones. Nearly twenty million of lost their jobs to millions of lost their health insurance the courageous healthcare professionals putting themselves in danger in the front line and all the essential workers delivering mail and packages and working grocery stores and on public transit. And do all the hard dangerous work while the rest of US surf to the bottom of Netflix is looking for another trashy reality. Show to watch honey. Have WE WATCH ELLEN YET? All right yeah we did. Oh wait honey. There's a new bonus episode They got divorced. Honey Yeah I guess. Once the couples got back from the mainland they realize the connections they made on island word is enduring is they'd been led to believe I guess. Romance is dead honey and now trump is once again rushing to prematurely reopened the economy even though public health experts if nearly unanimously warned that such a move could lead to a second wave of the outbreak. Dr FECI warned about this on Sunday. Bill Gates said we won't go back to normal until there's a vaccine. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel concerts. Conferences and sporting events likely won't return until fall twenty twenty one at the earliest Harvard. Study said yesterday. Some social distancing measures may be needed until two thousand twenty. Two so yeah. I'M GONNA have to rewatch every episode island with Director's commentary on you know. We were originally due on Isthmus but We thought is miss was to say so. We went with an island and yet are split. Personality President hasn't a matter of days gone back and forth between claiming. He has unquestioned authority to unilaterally force days to reopen their economies to suggesting he'll simply work with states to allow them to implement their own plans to debate over. What are you have to order the country over whether th already do you have the ultimate authority? The president of the United States has the authority to do what the president has the authority to which is very powerful. The president of the United States calls the shots. Have the absolute right to if I want to. This is when somebody is. The president of the United States. Authority is total. And that's so it's gotTa be total. It's total again. I think part of the problem here is trump only knows like three words which include absolute powerful in total. He used the word total the way. Teenagers used the word random. My authorities like so Toyota President is allies ignored repeated warnings that pandemic was coming and now in the face of that evidence he's pushing the prematurely reopened the economy and repeat the same mistakes over again when the time for an accounting comes. We must remember that. This was not inevitable that a long sequence of failures led to this moment. And if you have trouble remembering will give you a list. 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DOT COM TRELLO DOT COM Hey everybody welcome back. We're joined now by one of her friends the host of all in with Chris Hayes on MSNBC CRUSADE is during this. Everybody are you doing that? I'm doing very well right before we went live with this interview. Livestock with you and your wife. I know that you three kids to school year is over. You're basically homeschooling outside going. It's well I should stipulate that Kate my wife has been doing the lion share of it but I do have. She basically has two and a half hours in the day to herself. She's working all day own schooling and then she anchor producing me when I do the show. So she's very long so there's two and a half hours. I have the kids and you know it's I mean if I have one more zoom meeting number or password or APP that needs some logging on my mind and everyone's doing their best. Everyone's trying but like it's it's hard and you know a lot of work and it's hard to not be distracted typically when you've got the show that night and there's a lot of kind of like all right. Why don't you just go read over what I think? We're studying comment. Which is when we realized we had to do. Our our shows from home that we did not have very good Internet. Is that true correct? Yes I had to upgrade to the premium level. Funny Thing I've noticed. So we're we're getting this weird window into people's Internet quality through the various zoom and. There's no predicted like I like some people like Nancy. Pelosi the speaker of the house Who who she and her husband have a fair amount of personal wealth. That's a publicly thing. Not Very Good. Internet. Yeah and then I mean it's like it's crazy. The how bad American broadband seems to be generally running this thing or just how how in inconsistent is across various domains. Yes and you when you think about it. Needs BLISS Also Bay Area. Southbound could write. Your mom like mine was to teacher. Your father were permanent house. They seem very helpful parents to have their time they are. I mean we. We miss them because like everyone like everyone. They're they're sheltering in place in the home. I grew up in the Bronx. So we're doing a lot of face timing with With Nanna Papa and you'll face base diving people even particularly loved ones. Always a little weird. But they're great my mom. My mom has been offering teaching advice and sort of goals for lessons. My father I think was part of the reason that I kind of locked into the story early with just seeing you've worked in New York City Department of Public Health which is an incredible institution has been for literally over a century an amazing place and handled the abolish crisis very well so I I think I had sort of warmed from him about a certain kind of cast of mind that public health people have. Which is they do. Tend to think. Worse case scenario like there is a kind of what goes wrong. What if this goes sideways thinking? That can be hard to come to your generally happy optimistic person but I think has been very helpful for thinking about you. Were the first people to talk about. How serious this could get. And I feel as a journalists like yourself. Head to toe the line between oath early reporting and balancing with the idea of being alarmist. Did you feel at any point that you were screaming into the void in the early of this I did? I definitely did particularly the peer. Were really felt like screaming to the boy was when it was clear. We had a very sizable rapidly. Accelerating outbreak in those first two weeks of March before the real steps happened. Once we documented community transmission in February. I think you know I had that feeling too. I don't WanNa Freak people out and I would say yes. The flu kills a lot of people. And the odds of you being hit by this remain relatively low which was true at the time but like if you look at New York now like New York City. That wasn't that wouldn't prove to be true in the long run. So yes to me that the real breaking points are when Dr Massoni the CDC in late February does that telephone briefing where she says people should start talking about their schools about telling like tell us cooling and people are like what tell us we talking about. We're not next. Shut down schools and it was like three weeks later. We've shut down every school. And when she said that that to me was a trigger of like. Oh we're we're going where Italy has gone we're going. Ruhan has gone like we're all on the same. We're all sailing to the same destination. The daily briefings are a circus. A lot has been written and said about whether or not you should be televised. How you are you getting any information with them. Do feel as though it's fair to say they may you should be on TV last. I mean I think yeah I think that the I mean I think that the critique to me the the concern I have is that they often they literally communicate public health information. That's wrong or is in contrast or tension with the best available evidence. And that can. That's dangerous right. I mean we know there's been a sort of partisan divide about how seriously people take this. How much hearing social distancing go? That's closed quite a bit. Which is good but that to me is the real concern about those. I do. Think that the briefings as performance have kind of entered their like Baroque phase. That like the writers are out of ideas. And it's you know there was a moment yesterday where he was the President United States. Two Thousand Americans died yesterday. Nearly thirty thousand Americans have passed away the economy's contracting in the Great Depression level on the president for three minutes. Just read the names of companies. Yeah like Chick-fil-a love chick-fil-a McDonald's and so to me the more obviously they are ridiculous exercises in his own self aggrandizement. The the weirdly less dangerous they become the earlier phases. Felt more dangerous to me because they had the putative frame of being a briefing from the task force on public health. At this point it seems to me that it's so obvious. That's not what's happened. That's not what's what's happening. One of the biggest the shifts that is happening as well is this idea of reopening the economy. It seems like again it changes every day. It seems as though the president's fixating on this idea of May First. And how much of this do you feel is driven by is fear of failing economy versus is since they were all safe to go back to our lives? I mean it's one hundred percent a the the biggest mistake they made the beginning and I talked about this on my show. Last night was in the beginning. When the when the problems begin materialize and manifest particularly manifest stock market. The president clearly thought. I'm going to run for reelection on a great booming economy and that they were explicit about that. That's not like that's what they said and now the economy's doing poorly it's going to hurt. My reelection. Need to pump the economy back up and at the beginning they were focused on the economy as a somehow separate problem from public health problem and the thing experts like no. No no not you got to deal with the Public Health Paul. You can't just and eventually. I think he was convinced of that. And now is going back to the old thinking which is okay now. We're GONNA real economy. It's still the same goddamn virus the same virus. That's circling around. It's still the same thing causing the problems to have. Us locked down the economy. There is no independent solution to reopening the economy that is independent from a plan to deal with and contain the virus. We're GONNA be right. Avid workers as I want to talk about the fact that there is an election even though no one is talking about it. We'll be right so I think those are the last year on. We were talking about the fact that we were pretty quickly going to have a nominee for the Democratic Party and all the news would shift to the Horse race in the presidential election. That is not the case. Is it surreal to you having covered dictionary beginning? How certainly the Democratic primary resolved? It's it's so surreal to think about fifteen or sixteen months of intense focus. I mean Kamala Harris big announcement in the bay area with thousands of people and the first debate in the second debate. And and you know John Delaney getting his butt kicked by Elizabeth Warren that all of that converts to a video probably shot on an ipad in the Vermont House of Bernie Sanders beamed to the world amidst the worst pandemic one hundred years and the economy on total lockdown. An half of the world's population essentially like who? It's incomprehensible that this is where it would not. This words ended up. And so there's naturally this way in which I think. The urgency of the virus is blotting out campaign news. But also it's completely recast. The dynamics of the race I mean the assumption for those fifteen months and through impeachment was the fundamentals are. This man is unpopular. He's never been about fifty percent. He won with forty six percent last time. But the economy's doing in a macro sense pretty. Well what does that mean for the election? That is not the election that we're having anymore so part of it is. I think people haven't even gotten their hands around. I certainly haven't gotten my head around. What is this election? What's the substance of it because the future so uncertain? I Dunno June looks like and I don't assures held on October clock. It did seem as though the party coalesced around the identified as a candidate as sort of the safest contrast to Donald trump like maybe not the most ideal driven candidate hallway of not being unfair in saying that situation that it is only contrast. It seems July. Who's not necessarily been out as much as you'd expect a a nominee for the presidency to be out in public. It seems like he's maybe just stepping back and letting people see the contrast. I think that's part of it. I mean I do think that look when way thing about it is all reelection. Campaigns are referendums on the incumbent. Unavoidably that dynamic seems like. It's going to be supersized in this case. I mean it's going to be a referendum on the incumbent in his handling of this once a century calamity and so at a certain level like it is A. Do you WanNa keep going with this guy or not kind of election and you have to be present and illuminating your own ideas. I think is as the opposition party and as the opposition candidate. But it's also the case that like I think that dynamic fundamentally is is a pretty inescapable one at this point on talk real quick about what happened in Wisconsin because again I think it got worse obviously by endemic news but it was a really truly I crazy that the primary was held and then so did the outcome seemed to be reversed. What a lot of people were expecting based on the fact that the election and help it was it was such a it. I found it to be a really upsetting. Undertaking like shockingly cynical. The basic dynamics were and I back in March seventeenth were the last big democratic primary elections and that things were. It was a little unclear. They should have gone forward that we sent her to the poll worker. No annoy died by the end by right up to that I thought this is not a good idea. But a month later when everything is dawned on everyone and we're now all I'm talking to you through a computer screen right that the Republicans to think a low turn more difficult election will eat their chances of winning a state Supreme Court race. And if you want to vote and get out there Milwaukee and stand in line with a mask is so shockingly cynical and monstrous that I could not believe. They did it but they did it. And then everyone just assumed that those turn out affects would help the Republican and Republican. Kinda got his asked like you lost ten points. Meet Donald Trump on Wisconsin. Twenty thousand votes the Liberal Challenger in this race who's running against Mukundan one by over one hundred thousand. I mean this was a big big win for the Democrats and Liberals at broadly in Wisconsin. And I still don't really have my arms around wide happened. We talked to Ben. Winkler the chair of the Democratic Party. Last night I think part of it was people who are really furious and pissed off that in the midst of pandemic some people were like trying to rig the game against will it does seem like a bad bellwether for the Republican Party. I think as you referenced. Earlier it's impossible to know based on anything happens this week that means in June. What that means October? Do you feel like the Democrats are doing enough right now to protect the election in November that. That's a huge worry and the answer is probably no. Although it's not that they haven't tried it's they haven't prioritizes so there was a fight in the cares act. Which is the last rescue. Bill that was passed over funding for for Universal Mail in voting and Democrats. Mitch McConnell's give one hundred million dollars. Democrats on a billion dollars in the ended up getting north for four hundred million dollars. Problem is like it's up to the states in some ways. They need the money from the federal government but some states are probably GonNa do it. Because they don't want to do so you would probably have to pass. Some sort of universal mail voting required legislation. Ron Wyden Worked on that. I think it has to be a priority. Because we don't know what's going to happen in November like there may be a in one thousand nine hundred and famously. The flu reared attend the spring. It diminish through the summer and then it had its worst outbreak that fall. And can you imagine a fifty state version of Wisconsin? I mean that it would just be both a public health and democratic legitimacy debacle. It's it's a nightmare scenario that I think Democrats need to focus much energy unpreventable on well. I look forward to a keeping us up to date all of this so happy. They still managing your show. Thanks making time for us today. Chris everybody I gotTA show every night on late night with Seth Meyers if weeknights on NBC at Twelve. 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The spread of misinformation on coronavirus in Nigeria

"Public health officials are trying to predict how the corona virus could spread of the US. They're using data from China but that may not be so accurate that say with Singapore which has been fantastically transparent while the data's available. That's the sort of model. We all ought to adopt. Also the trump administration has been combing through paperwork from past citizenship applications. Digitisation made it easier to go back and look at the older records and see if there were errors or problems in earlier immigration files. Discrepancies are found. That could spell trouble for new Americans and fears of the corona virus. Creating a run on some key supplies. There's no toilet. Hey look for a new way to what above now. Yup just telling it like it. Is Marco Werman those stories today here on the world? I'm Marco Werman you're with the world good to have you with us to fly or not to fly. That is the question a lot of us are saying. You know what better play things safe and so- fears over? The corona virus are starting to eat into ticket. Sales United became the first. Us airline to cut domestic trips by about ten percents. Come April United's International. Flights have been slashed by twenty percent. Airline stocks are getting whacked. But it's not all corona virus gloom and doom out there the head of the World Health Organization headdress cabaret so this said today that there are encouraging signs in several countries including South Korea. The number of new reported cases appears to be slowing down. The speed of this country's and of China continues to say that this is not a one way street. This epidemic can be pushed back and Gabrielle Basis. I pointed out that more than one. Hundred countries still have no cases of the corona virus. Nigeria has just won a traveler who went to Italy. Nigerian officials say they are well prepared for Corona virus after all. This is not Nigeria for scare with a disease outbreak. But there is one thing. They are worried about fake news. The world's Halima Gandhi has our story. The fake corona virus news came well before Nigeria recorded. Its first case. It started with claims that millions of people were already dead from disease which isn't true and then other claims that Africans are genetically immune to corona virus. Also false and most recently. There was fake on WHATSAPP. Seeing that. There's a simple cure for it. That would also the man and the message is claiming that drinking boiled garlic. Water can cure corona virus which alas is false but this is the sort of information that David Jacoby fights every day. He's the Nigeria editor at Africa. Check a nonprofit organization founded in two thousand twelve to fight misinformation in African countries. Rg Koby says Corona virus is just the latest victim of fake news. There's been a lot of misinformation on disinfection around take news as a global problem but in Nigeria Audrey. Kobe says misinformation on social media and messaging platforms can quickly and up on legitimate news outlets Jones phone. Plus you'll meet up platforms into charging platform Archie Kobi's organization Africa Shack has partnered with facebook and other companies to fight misinformation online. The recently created a fact checking service. It's a chat bought named Quelea which means truth in. So Healy. People see something. Don't show the Varsity you send it to the check. Box Archie. Kobe's team in fact checks the claims they receive on WHATSAPP which often means calling officials and scientists to verify the claims this month they plan to launch a new network of health journalist. To debunk false information still fighting fake news can feel like one step forward and two steps back take this week. For example. The word on the street was that the Director of Nigeria Center for Disease Control. Dr Chee quit. Quavo had been quarantined because he might have corona virus. I called it a quasi up to see if that were true. Beverly Well of how three tests just to be sure. And I'll be walking him on four seats here. Causa was a not quarantined. He was in south isolation just to be safe. He's leading by example. Because Nigerian health officials recommend that people travelling from China Italy and other countries with high rates of community infection self isolate for fourteen days and case symptoms develop he causa recently returned from a trip to China. He had gone with the World Health Organization to learn from China's experience for the literally as soon as the outbreak broke and others really paid off for us in terms of we've wrapped up our diagnostic capacity. We now have five molecular labs where we can make the diagnosis. We HEAR CAUSING SAYS COUNTERING. Misinformation is also part of the effort to fight krona virus because misinformation can be deadly dependent during the super outbreak. We had an incident where a fictitious cure was. Secondly that time on the Asian did not respond as quickly as we kind of the number of big without fm for it says the Nigeria Center for Disease Control has set up a crisis communication team to provide accurate information to the public and to counter the misinformation. But he says it can take time away from the rest of their work. So in the meantime they're relying organizations like Africa. Check to help them do the job and their advice verify before you share for the world. I'm Halima get condie. Getting the right information is a problem everywhere. In some countries it's made worse if the government does not have the public trust. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel was a health policy advisor in the Obama White House and is now a vice provost at the University of Pennsylvania when I speak with people around the world about covert nineteen. I get a range of reactions from fear and panic to a blase. Oh it's nothing kind of attitude. What is the correct response? Depends the our public health expert worrying about the overall public health? Or you're an individual trying to figure out the individual situation so if you think about it from an individual standpoint the risks are low. We know that the numbers were seeing everywhere in the world are probably significant underestimates. Because there's a lot of either eysenck dramatic or mildly symptomatic people who we haven't tested but nonetheless from any individual standpoint you know it's kind of like having the flu around you don't really change your life that much because of the flu on the other hand. If you're a public health expert there are lots of things to worry about. What is the correct response if you're a public health official? What's the difference well? Public Health officials are looking at the whole population. And if you look at flu the United States that's like fifty five thousand deaths And we know that. This corona virus infection probably has a slightly higher death rate. Although we can't be sure of but if this virus spreads to millions of people bad adds up and we may need more respirators we may need more infrastructure than we have at the moment so from a public health standpoint. This is a serious emergency from an individual standpoint. Should change your behavior in a good way. You should wash your hands more. Keep your hands out of your face more but whether it should change your behavior. Assuming you're relatively healthy excetera That I think is a separate question. Why is public? Trust in public officials So important at a moment like this. Well they're going to have to guide you as to what the right behaviors are like. Don't put those masks on. Don't buy those masks and you have to trust them that they're giving you valid information you know if they're closing down the school you have to trust them that that's okay if they reopened the school and say it's safe you have to trust them that that's okay to send their kids to school so. I think having the public follow what they're being told to do. Is I think very very important. And not the panic. I mean we've you know we have already seen some of the economic consequences people boycotting Chinese restaurants. If you know this viruses you know hanging out in Chinese restaurants which is totally false yet can have devastating consequences for people without any factual basis. So I think understanding what's actually happening and being able to rely on your public officials is important. Ya Don't panic That's a tough one to kind of have realized. How do you build public trust? Like what experiences did you have in the Obama Administration with sort of thing first of all? You have to acknowledge it's GonNa get worse before it's GonNa get better because of more casting we're going to see a big increase. In the number of cases we may see a big increase in the number of. That's unfortunately so you just have to acknowledge. The people here are the data. Here's why it's happening. Second you have to give people were on top of this. Here are the five things were doing. You know we are going to make sure there's no drug shortages so we're working with the drug companies to get the raw materials. We are going to make sure. There's no shortage of personal protective equipment. We're GONNA make sure that you know. We have hospital surge capacity in the areas that we have. We're going to let you know what we're doing and give you reliable information And we're not going to sugar coat things because in the long run which may be just the week you know people are GonNa find out. There's a lot more cases of corona virus and they weren't telling the truth and hard to regain trust. Once you created that disinformation for people How important is data from China on this disease and the results had in their containment and treatment efforts? How much you trust. It's hard to know how much to trust it. I think some of this pride. Some of this is uncertainty. And not wanting you know necessarily bad information out there. The contrast is say with Singapore which has been fantastically transparent. All the data's available and you have a lot of fake that You know exactly what's happening in that city state. And that's the sort of model. We all ought to adopt. But we do use the data. You know what people regularly say well eighty percent of people. It's a very mild case. Even eysenck thematic well. That's based on data from China. We don't know you know how reliable that is and second of all that might be slightly different than the United States. They have a very high smoking rate for example in China especially among men and that may be skewing. They may have more serious cases than we're likely to see are we might see in the United States On the other hand we have more obese people and that may skew it so that we have more serious and complicated cases. I you know. It's just hard to know out. Extrapolate that data former health policy advisor in the Obama White House. Doctor Ezekiel Emanuel now vice. Provost of global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. Thank you very much good to speak with you. Take care across the globe pharmacies or running short on some key supplies needed to combat the corona virus. That is partly our fault. Many people are in panic mode fearing the worst scooping up more than they need. It's understandable still. It's creating shortages as the World Sarah Birnbaum reports. There's one critical item. That's now hard to find in many places. Maybe you've been hearing advice like this. The Department of Homeland Security stock up on medicines for yourself and your children like pain relievers cough and cold medicines. Chicken Broth soups. All that antibacterial soap and wipes tissues and laundry and dish detergents but there's one item that's often among the first to go toilet paper. Call it one of the mysteries of the human psyche. But in times of crisis human being stockpile teepee that's been the case in China. Singapore Japan Hong Kong a now stores in Australia are completely wiped out. Hundred Ninety. Two thousand rolls up for sale was sold out in thirty minutes. I'm doing a giant shopping because everyone else's and there's no toilet paper Look for a new way to what above no woolworth's. The Australian supermarket chain is limiting toilet paper to four packs. A person people are Hawking toilet paper online for outlandish prices and listeners are calling in to radio stations to win the Cadillac of toilet paper role just for you reply as well the hashtags toilet paper emergency and toilet. Paper apocalypse are trending on twitter and facebook and my favorite seinfeld episode has been making the rounds on Australian social media. Where Elaine goes to the bathroom. Excuse me I'm sorry. This is kind of embarrassing. But there's no toilet paper over here. She's asking the woman in the next stall for a little health. If you can spare some no I'm sorry no I'm Talkin Spirit but thankfully. Australians the satirical newspaper. Nt News has come to the rescue. It printed eight extra pages that readers can use if they're caught short short at ain't three ply but still a sweet gesture for the world. I'm Sarah Birnbaum I'm Marco Werman. You're with the world a ray of hope for Syria. Turkish President Rich Type Air John and Russian President Vladimir Putin met in Moscow today to discuss the situation in northwest Syria. Let's get particularly at a press conference. Putin said the situation has become so aggravated that it requires a direct personal conversation after six hours of talks. The two leaders announced a ceasefire in Illit province in Syria North West in recent weeks of fighting has grown increasingly violent. Turkish military and Syrian government forces backed by. Russia have repeatedly clashed caught in the middle of it. All Syrian civilians. The world's Charles. Maynes is in Moscow following the talks. I asked him about then go she will they take well six hours in fact a three of which were spent one on one between Putin and narrow to one They were later. Joined by their delegations now. Putin described it as a tense but constructive dialogue. Why don't we listen? Interests to bit of what he had to say in a statement that they made afterwards but as good a teacher this year Putin saying basically. We don't always agree with our Turkish partners in Syria but at critical moments we always find a way to get common ground. And that was the case here. You know and that seems to be true. Both sides Russia and Turkey to the accepted the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria Said they wouldn't let up on the battle against terrorism there but also emphasize it. They only saw political rather than military solution to the war in Syria But later actually came out with more details about what they were going to do about it. Liberate Self They announced a ceasefire effective at midnight. Thursday they also announced the creation of humanitarian corridors. The return of refugees many of those refugees of course is streamed into Turkey or along the Turkish Syrian border They also announced joint patrols between Russian and Turkish forces in Lib supposedly to try and prevent Syrian regime forces from making attack against the Turks. But also important here. The Turkey said. They reserve the right to respond to Syrian forces attacks The government of Charles side of course The enemy of the Turkish state. I mean ceasefires. Typically Have not held very well during the nearly ten years of this war in Syria. What sense did you get? This will last from either president. We'll it seems to be a resembling what they've done before there was something called a so Chee Memorandum from twenty nineteen essentially this created a demilitarized zone and it Lib of part of a deal that Russia made with Turkey. Essentially keep them happy in this very complex group of alliances that Russia's unveiled in its Syrian campaign But a soggy. He insisted his armies will take the back. He was on Russian state media yesterday in an interview. Saying that was just a matter of time so I think there is reason to be skeptical and it was in fact. Those attacks against it lived. That drove this recent refugee crisis which launched the Turkish response. I think there's a lot of reasons to be concerned. So you mentioned the SOCI- agreement Does this ceasefire change anything? In that agreement it doesn't essense ASSOC- demarcation lines of shift a bit with the essential ideas the same and again what's different here of course is now. You have these joint patrols of Russian and Turkish forces in this area that Lib designed to prevent Assad from attacking Turkish forces. How does Putin see Russia's relationship with Turkey going forward? What's his plan? We you know for Russia keeping Turkey. Happy in a way is very important Because it plays to this larger game Russia has with the Kremlin using gas energy and even military deals with Turkey to cleave it solidarity within the NATO alliance of course Turkey being a NATO member Turkey for its part uses this kind of flirtation with Russia as a bargaining chip with its western partners including the US. You know. But I think if you're looking at this relationship in Syria they haven't solved the larger issue. Which is that when it comes to Syria. Russia it's ambitious in the Middle East rest on Assad stain in power. Turkey has its own ambitions as a regional power there and they WANNA see Assad go so today just kind of kicked the can down the road and maybe it needed kicking but it's just kicking the can what about Russians How do they feel about this war? Because last year Charles he reported on some war booty captured by Russian troops from the Syrian conflict. They had transported these tanks and artillery trucks overland Russia. A big shell of nationalistic pride. Today are Russians still feeling the same pride you know. It's interesting to the Syrian campaign is not particularly popular yet. Russia seemed very determined to carry it out I spoke with the original specialists. Here said Russia came to serious not only to help but to stay. He predicts that they'll be there for the next fifty years and again there are success. There depends on Assad success and the other hand Putin has really had to shift in his recent term in office. He seen his ratings. Go down here a bit. And so there's a real effort to address Russians domestic concerns. And that's hard to do when you're spending on an expensive military campaign in Syria World Charles means in Moscow. Thank you thanks Martin. Nearly a million civilians have been displaced by the fighting in northwest Syria and many have fled toward Turkey. We want you to meet one of them. A SYRIAN MOTHER. Who left her home with her husband and two young children. Now she's living with family near the Syrian Turkish border. She asked to remain anonymous because she fears for her safety. There is heavy shelling during the day. The night everything's minutes series airstrike or a shelling attack schilling even has been reaching it lip city which has up to a million civilian people here are forced from their homes to seek safety here on the Turkish border carrying only the cloth. They were most of them. Don't have money during two house or don't know where to go. Camps are full now. I'm renting an apartment in a building on my floor. There are five apartments and each apartment of them has three to five families together for me as a mom. Life is unfair. It's unfair that's all I hope. Life of course for me and for my family for my two young children who knows nothing of this life except for except explosions. Except displacement. I my husband to my to our paste to make them safe and make him live announcing the award lost everything about our crisis and our suffering. We have been living this war for nine years and I think we deserve a better life for us and for our children I hope if the war or the international community diversities fair just to leave safe. Our only goal now is to live safe. The Voice of one Syrian woman displaced by fighting our story was produced by Daniel Offman and Ian Costs for several years. The warrant series created a migration crisis across the Middle East and the Mediterranean. The situation is flaring up right now at the border between Greece and Turkey tomorrow. We'll hear from the world's Lydia Amana lead. Do at that border. You're listening to the World Vietnam Own Lady Gaga ten years ago. My Coy was the biggest popstar in Vietnam but then she broke. The rules thumbing her nose at Vietnam censorship board and the fashion police. If You keep wearing citrus I will ban you from singing in public forever. I'm Marco Werman. That's still to come here on the world. I'm Marco Werman you're with the world. We're CO PRODUCTION OF THE BBC World Service W. Gbh NPR X. Afghanistan has been locked in a cycle of war for so long now that it's hard to imagine investigating all of the atrocities and war crimes. That may have taken place there. But that is essentially. What a court in. The Hague says it is going to do. The International Criminal Court today announced that it's going to examine allegations of war crimes committed by three groups the Taliban Afghan national security forces and the US military regardless of the fact that the United States is not a signatory to the international court the world's oil berry reports from London. This is the first ruling by the International Criminal Court involved in the US military. The I C. C has focused on the actions of smaller countries in the past in many cases African nations and avoided major world players but today it ruled that allegations that American forces had committed acts of torture and Afghanistan must be investigated the court said allegations of war crimes that CIA facilities in Poland. Romania and Lithuania should also be examined. Human rights advocates welcomed the decision breath. Gopalan is with reprieve a UK based human rights group. It was the right thing to do on on all account and because the US has taken on such a hostile campaign against the IC. I think there was a residual doubt that this would be the decision. But of course now is and we're delighted about that. The International Court in The Hague also called for war crimes investigation into the Taliban and the Afghan security forces between two thousand and three and two thousand fourteen. The Afghan government didn't respond to today's announcement. Right away Dow design me from the BBC's Pashtu Language Service said the authorities probably very mixed feelings will love on government scheme that is you see investigates alleged crimes by members of the Taliban but when it comes to alleged crimes by members of security forces or other government officials. They say that we are a legitimate government. This is our job our duty to protect citizens. The Afghan government is unlikely to cooperate with a Nice e C. investigation and it's not alone secretary of state. Mike pompeo today dismissed the ICC's very reason for existence. This is a truly breathtaking action by an unaccountable political institution masquerading as a legal body. Pompeo criticized the timing of the decision as well is all the more reckless for this ruling to come just days after the United States signed a historic peace deal on Afghanistan which is the best chance for peace in a generation indeed the Afghan government itself pleaded with the ACC not to take this course but human rights groups say there might be a way forward without US cooperation. Catherine Gallaher is an attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights. Issue represents two men who say they were tortured and secret. Cia PRISONS IN AFGHANISTAN. Gallaher says the US may not be a signatory to the icy sea but many of the countries are. Let's see who might end up being indicted and where those people may travel because one hundred twenty three member states around the world have an obligation to arrest in turn over to the ICC those who are indicted by the court for some. Today's decision is deeply personal. Akkhmed Rabbani has spent fifteen years in Guantanamo prison without charge or trial. He was working as a taxi driver in Pakistan when he was detained in two thousand and two and sent to Afghanistan breath ago. Pollen says he never should have been detained in the first place he was mistaken for someone quite high ranking a terrorist organization. He was transported or rendered from Pakistan to several secret detention facilities in Afghanistan. He was tortured as severely and then eventually in two thousand and four. Armored was transferred to Guantanamo Bay Kgo. Pollen says she talked with Rabbani about today's ruling the ICC. He said all he wants from the. Us government is an apology and he said you know even if the government had offered him compensation a million pounds for everyday he has spent in detention. That wouldn't be enough. All he wanted with two words with sorry for the world. I'm Barry in London. Royal Rodney is Afghanistan's ambassador to the United States. We asked her whether her government would block the icy. See if it tried to bring an American service member before the court for alleged warcrimes in Afghanistan. We have not Decided on our position as of yet so I cannot comment so madam ambassador the UN report that came out last year that concluded that US and Afghan forces had killed more civilians than the Taliban did during the war ultimately. How can families of those victims seek justice? We are right now at the cusp of and opportunity seeking a peace process as we go through the process People are reconciled. I believe that The question of how to bring to justice and how the families will find. Justice would be also one of those issues set of concern to be discussed. Well let's discuss. Those prospects for peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban are slated for March tenth. The Afghan government was not part of the first round of talks between the Taliban the US one possible. Point of compromise says Been this release of prisoners prisoner swap although it's also a point of friction between the US and Afghan governments. Here's secretary state. Mike Pompeo speaking today all the parties. Understand that it's time for prisoner. Exchanges to take place a number of the president's being held to serve their full sentences when we need to move that process forward It will be political besides think they have leverage but what. We have urged all the parties to do is stop posturing. It's time to move forward. Is Secretary Pompeo sending a message there to Afghanistan's government to just move more quickly to release Taliban prisoners? It's a process that they have been working together. it's There is work under process. And of course we have taken lots of measures in terms of Preparing for the talks and there is more work and the way. Just listening to Pompeo. There did that sound to you. Like the voice of someone who is fully behind the Afghan government We have been reassured time and again by our. Us partners by the people in the administration that the United States is continuing to back the Afghan forces the people of of honest on the gains that we have had. And that's also something that Secretary of State Secretary Pompeo in his remarks today in the same conversation that you have been playing and president trump and announcing the agreement. This weekend's seem to suggest that going for the Taliban would be eliminating terrorists in Afghanistan. Here's what he said. I'll be meeting personally with Taliban leaders in the not too distant future and will be very much hoping that they will be doing what they say they're going to be doing. They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. It will keep that. Fight going ambassador. Trump also said that if the fight doesn't work out you can always go back. What do you make of that? The agreement that is between the Taliban and United States is a conditional one this is something that the US administration has always spoken about. President trump and every statements. He has always made. He has used the word. F F. We Succeed F. We get to an agreement so he is continuously pointing an emphasizing the conditionality off the obligations that has laid out and the agreement and what he is saying again is in the same line they have to abide by what we agree and this is my understanding that the president trump is referring to finally ambassador. The Taliban is we all know they've not placed women in positions of authority. Can you imagine the Taliban negotiating across the table from you or other women? It is imperative that they agree to that. Because this is the new of on if they were to ignore fifty percent of the population piece would be absolutely an impossibility to reach and is having women at the negotiating table. Something that you personally are going to insist on. Absolutely I have been assured by our government that they will ensure representation on the negotiation table. But not only that they will make sure that women are not presented in the negotiation table as an issue as a topic but as representatives of the Afghan government of the people of Afghanistan of our nation. So they will have full agency on the outcome would not compromise the rights of women in Afghanistan. Royer Rukmini is Afghanistan's ambassador to the United States. Thank you very much for being with us. Thank you for having me the. Us Justice Department tried to keep it quiet but their announcements still set off alarm bells. A new office has been established that will comb through files to try and find people who may have misrepresented themselves while going through the citizenship process. Critics worried that it's an attempt by the trump administration to strip new Americans of their citizenship. Here's the world's Rupa Shenoy John Bash the US attorney for the western district of Texas says. The new unit will find cases where immigrants lied in the process of becoming US citizens and get a judge to strip them of that status. And we've been doing that. We step that up two hundred percent in the last three years. But it's getting to the point. We're get enough referrals that it's time to stand up a standalone unit and so we have twenty to thirty lawyers dedicated to bringing justice to victims of travel at station to victims of terrorism war crimes. And so this was bash in an interview on Laura Ingraham's Fox News show. She read a misstatement from the ACLU that says the new unit reveals President Trump's systematic campaign against people of Color. Is that really? What's going on here John? You just willy. Nilly going after people of color and just stripping them of their citizenship for no reason I mean that is an outrageous statement that really. Impune the integrity of all the career attorneys. Doj that work on these issues but examining the records of naturalized citizens to look for fraud wasn't a government priority until the trump administration hundreds of thousands of immigrants become US citizens every year in all their twenty million naturalized Americans and very few have been stripped of citizenship. During the Obama administration officials investigated on average about fifty immigrants. A year for possible denaturalization. Cassandra Robertson says those cases came up as thousands of old immigration. Records were digitized and reviewed for the First Time Robertson directs. The Center for Professional Ethics at Case Western Reserve Law. School in Ohio. Digitisation made it easier to go back and look at the older records and see if there were errors or problems earlier immigration files under the Obama Administration. The purpose of that was to look for national security threats but the projects I successful case announced in two thousand eighteen was against an Indian immigrant without a criminal record. A judge revoked. Bell Gender Sings citizenship because Singh used a different name when he first entered the country three decades ago still last year. The trump administration sought to expand the project. It asked for two hundred million dollars to investigate roughly nine hundred American citizens and digitize and review another seven hundred thousand old immigration files. The people that they've been going after really don't seem to have any connection to prior war-crimes or terrorism or threats to national security in New York Attorney Matthew Kokin says he's seen an influx of about two dozen panicked naturalized citizens who've been notified of proceedings against them by the government an old immigration document newly digitised shows. They changed some detail. They told officials long ago and never disclosed doing so so they're charged with fraud and fraud is grounds for being stripped of citizenship. Realistically almost every single. Imigran who ever applied for status with the United States as at one point or another failed to disclose something that's material culkin's been able to keep all his clients in the country legally but he warns immigrants who want to apply for citizenship. That now is not the best time. Despite that and the announcement of a new Department of Justice Unit focused on naturalizations Los Angeles Resident Stephanie Lopez is still urging her mother to go through the process to become a citizen having that naturalization you're fully American quote unquote in having her have. That would be kind of a sigh of relief for everybody. Because it's still just feel safer to citizen especially now when many non-citizens feel at risk of deportation says panties. She was brought to the. Us from El Salvador was five and she became a naturalized citizen. Two years ago. I want to to to gain the right to vote in this coming election. One in ten eligible voters are naturalized citizens and Lopez Perez hopes. Those voters will be thinking about all the unanswered questions raised by the trump. Administration's new office focused on denaturalization. I don't know if they're going to be only looking into cases of people that have committed crimes and then looking into cases of people that may have inadvertently lied or said something wrong so or maybe involved in a political organization or maybe he said something against the trump administration on social media. I mean like I don't know when it will stop the more questions. She and her family have Lopez Perez says the more fearful. There'll be about the future for the world. I'm rubbish annoy one of Vietnam's best known singers is a woman known as Mycoy. I met her recently in New York where she's been living for the past few months an artist's residency doubling as a little time out from the stress of being an artist in Vietnam. My evolution is a little unexpected ten years ago. She was gaining a reputation as a pop star from the rows about Wong same about. She stayed with that smooth sound for a while. But my co would later be talked about as Vietnam Lady Gaga. Even when you were a popstar kind of like a mainstream pop star in Vietnam when you won the song of the year competition you came out with a vn shaved in your head to symbolize Vietnam so already. There's a glimmer that you are. Not a normal pop star. You had something to say. I think was that kind of the moment where he said. I'm not going to submit my my music anymore. This is changing my life. At that moment. I was so happy because the award. It's very big for Vietnamese musician. So was so happy in. I shade the N. R. My head the name of myself to celebrate my award and I showed them a new look off. The Vietnamese woman can be but not many people like it like it but it's still many news paper and magazine right about my haircut and they say my coin new head cut against the Vietnamese traditional image. So you've really got a reputation for yourself in Vietnam actually. I can't representative for Vietnam or for Vietnamese woman. But through my story people can understand a little bit apart off. What's going on in Vietnam? My Gun Joan Go. Ooh So explain how your musical side discovered your activists side or did your activists I discover your musical side when I was a pop star. I know how to deal with the censorship system so I get famous but I couldn't feel free to crew eight so I started to find the way to fight the censorship system and when I transferred to a human rights activist. I feel my music different from before my music. More emotion feelings and make my soul richer and my music. Richard John Explain for us how the Censorship System in Vietnam works. Write a song. And then what has to happen? We have to ask the permission from the government before we do anything organize. An exhibition organized. A concert doing charity show or even organize Obradovic. Show in your private house. You need to ask the permisson. You have to submit the content of your program to the Culture Department. You have to pay money. You have to follow the sensors idea. One time I was performing in the rehearsal room for five people from the Culture Department and certainly want people. Stand up and shout on me. Who allow you to win victories? Who allowed you to wear the dress you're wearing while you're performing for you. Keep wearing Detroit's I will ban you from singing in public forever. I can do that. They can ban me if I say something back. So what happens now? I mean you've basically refused to submit your songs to the Vietnamese sensors correct since two thousand sit-in until now. I just released my song on Internet and I don't ask for the permission. I organized my private concert in the private studio without asking permission and the police came to rate my shows to time so if you continue to sing and write songs without passing them through the sensors in Vietnam. What risks do you face? They insulate me from the community. The national media. Stop talking about me. No one day to book me to sing so they cut the way. I'm earned the leaving and is very difficult for me to get my audience. Nab because even the Internet they control the Internet right now. How do you work then as an artist in the circumstances do you? Would you have to leave Vietnam? I mean you're here in New York right now but you're not here for very long. Write a few months. I feel very difficult to release my new songs but I still doing that. I'm still lucky because I can still travel around the world to sing my songs to tell my story the in Vietnam I cannot do that. So you're kind of backed into a corner about where you can perform in what you can do. How does it make you feel as an artist? An artist with something to say when art is Con- perform hurt so much but is make you want to create more tonight. If you're in New York City you can hear for yourself. How that political pressure has amplified mycoy creativity? She's performing Joe's pub in a show. She calls just be patient. That phrase is my takeaway from meeting. President Obama in Hanoi in two thousand sixteen. We have a very popular artists here. Who IS Speaking out on behalf of freedom of speech and expression and artists throughout Vietnam. Mike was seated just to Obama's left when he made those comments and she wondered what the future would hold for her and her country when she heard this ultimately. It's up to the Vietnamese people To determine how society functions And the nature of their government. Michael and other Vietnamese artists are still wondering when things will change right now. She's not sure she can return Vietnam and openly be the musician she wants to be. Do Down John. Do from an and Bill Harris Studio at W. H. Here in Boston I'M MARCO. Werman will be back with you tomorrow. Dukes OI down John. The world is a CO PRODUCTION OF W G BOSTON. The BBC World Service and Pierre.

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Ep. 77: Mother's Day

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

53:14 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 77: Mother's Day

"This podcast was created using anchor. Anchor is the free podcast platform that allows you or anyone to setup and start your own podcast for you charge so the your voice is heard is because they believe in the democratization of audio pure and simple. That's why I use their platform anchor DOT FM or the Anchor. App will get you there. No mother do you think the drop the Do you think the like this mother. Do you think they'll try to break map balls Oh Run for president. Oh sure I trust governor. Well they put me in waste. Hello this is rumble and Michael Moore. Welcome everyone and this mother's Day I decided to do a mother's Day podcast There are many people today who are not able to see. Their mothers cannot and should not go and visit them to avoid putting them in any sort of danger during this pandemic So I know that's difficult for a lot of people. It's difficult for Our older citizens. It's difficult for young people to not be able to see their parents and grandparents Right now and Especially on a day like this. I know what this means in and And so perhaps some people might be feeling a little melancholy on the stay a day in which people should not feel feel melancholy with the exception of those of us who lost their mothers are no longer our mothers longer life. Some of US lost our mothers at a very early age. That was not my case but I know that must be especially difficult to lose your mother when you're a child or young adult and You know you like to have your mom around for all sorts of reasons and it's sad when that No longer the case so I woke up this morning thinking about my mother and What I would say to her today if she were alive If I had to drive by slowly and shouted out the window or roll around on the front lawn and entertainer But as I thought about it I thought about What she meant to me In what would I do if I were to have her? Here in the studio Sitting here now in day sixty four sixty two of my self imposed isolation In this In this apartment that I have here when I'm in New York and I decided to stay here at the beginning of this. I had just built my podcast studio couple of months prior to that and I thought well at least I can I'll have something to do in this in this little room Inside this apartment in the city that my mother loved she was not from here but her sister had moved here Meta a young Irish American man. In the nineteen twenties got married and They lived on Staten Island. His name was Francis Heffernan. He was a lawyer and he worked for Franklin Roosevelt. And the whole ensemble of people when Roosevelt was governor here in New York and he was asked To Run for the state assembly as a Democrat from Staten Island which is in the later years. It's not necessarily place known for a lot of Democrats but just elected a Democrat in two thousand eighteen to the United States Congress for the first time in a very long time and so and so he was my my uncle frank and my mom brought us here every other summer are so to stay on. Staten Island for a month. You've probably heard me talk a little bit about that. We used to brag to people back in flint that we were We summer out. Staten Island But it was great and We my mother was in love with the city. And I think that carried on to us because we came here at a very early age and This was not flint and it was really like being an odds and I think my sisters and I are always very grateful. I have two sisters. I'm the oldest And then I have a sister Who is almost twelve months Younger than me but not quite so that makes us Irish twins and then we both have a younger sister and She is three years younger than me. both my sisters live in. California one in the southern portion in one in the northern portion and we We were very close growing up and I think if they were here they would agree that we're very lucky to have parents that we had and very lucky to have the mother that we have and on this day I think we in these last eighteen years. Since she's been gone she died in Two Thousand and two At the age of I believe Eighty-one anyone ready to In we think of her often I think are often I? I have the sense that Even though she's gone she's not you know a cliche. I guess that You know they live on in us but it's true especially if we if we took the good things from them and integrated that into our lives then yes notice. I said the good things all of us have made the you know decisions along the way in our adult lives to to take that which was good and those parts that were of the old era of another time we left them there or they belonged But I was I was thinking about the city and I was thinking about the a lot of you. What everybody's going through if you are parents of young children Which I no longer am but I have heard from any view of what that's like you know when you think about it It's it's very rare. We have not lived in a society for very long time. Where both parents if you're married Both parents would be at home and have children with them. Twenty four seven Now going to work no really going out or being separated from them and so this is gone on now for. Maybe what two two and a half months? I don't know if there's anything like this. Before this time. At least not sense. There was compulsory. Education Jones had to go to school. I until eighth grade and then in the twentieth century. It's I think still the law you have to school to. You're sixteen years old anyways. I thought I would spend just a few minutes Thank you my mother for some of those things that I received from her and Things that which. I'm still grateful for it to this day. I'm grateful that I'm the only one of three siblings. That was old enough to have any memories of our our grandfather. Her her father He was born and eighteen sixty eight in Canada in a little village between Sarnia and London Ontario and came to the US because he wanted to be a doctor and went to medical school in Saginaw Michigan. Medical School. Back around one thousand nine hundred Was lasted beer. Not even a year. They could teach you everything. They knew about medicine in less than a year Back then so he became a country doctor and Either lived or travel between these three or four villages outside of Flint In Elba Michigan Hadley Michigan Davison Michigan and And we heard these stories growing up of how our grandfather who was the country. Doctor was very much involved in the Pandemic the flu. The great influence what it was called nine hundred eighteen that went on into nineteen nineteen and nineteen twenty. There were also some some other Viruses and things that were just before the influence of nineteen eighteen actually from around nineteen fifteen till nineteen eighteen. There were a number of things that were things like diptheria and others that were killing a lot of babies mostly and and my my grandparents lost a both a a baby boy in a baby girl. in the in the couple of years leading up to when my mom was born my mother was born in. Nineteen twenty one Shortly after just months actually after The last state ratified the constitutional amendment. Giving women the right to vote and So my grandfather. Her father passed away when I was almost three so I have to two or three very faint brief memories of him and but I'm grateful for them because one of them is He may help you meet a construct. D A tent out of these blankets that were in the living room. Blankets that run on the On the Sofa and one one on the chair that he liked to sit in and and so between the chair and the Sophie helped construct a like a tent with these blankets. And I I got to hide in the tent camp out in their in surprise. The adults When they when they pass by Yes I know what you're thinking early training but but my best memory of my grandfather was. He played the Irish fiddle. But they called it the Irish fiddle and And sitting on his lap as a little tyke While he played the fiddle She's somewhere I have at one point. He made a record players. Were just sort of starting gramophones He made a vile record of his some of his fiddle playing If I don't if I don't find that right after I'm done recording this all play for one of these days It's just it's a nice thing to have available and So I'm grateful. I'm grateful to my mother for that that I got to know her father in a very small But in a way that Stayed with me most of my life being born in the year in the year after Women Got The right to vote. Meant really not a whole hell of a lot. For Most Women. In terms of their equality in terms of how they retreated in the positions that they hold which were none basically and So my mother I meant may have mentioned this before one of the podcasts graduated from high school as the Valedictorian and class. Very smart. Very smart person and Never really get a job doing anything. Other than typing in clerking. There was a community college in Flint called Flint Junior college and she went there for a couple of years to again. Learn more typing and corking and Office type work for women to do and you know it was if you knew her. It was clear and was clear growing up and certainly clear later on as adults How much she had going on in her head in her awareness in her And how it went unused in that sense it. She couldn't because of the way our society was structured. She couldn't do anything with that. And the more as the years go on the more I think about you know the more sad I am but also I remember being not sad about it when I when I sort of all sort of clicked together as a teenager in realizing that This is pretty messed up and so I I remember at first actually being kind of angry about it in even saying to her. How can you put up with this? Why why in? And of course you know women of that age in that era in. It's the way it was and did the best. I could do As I got older. The anger turned to Well obviously just having empathy for her situation but also Thinking about you know the world I wanted to live in as an adult and what that should look like in terms of what women How they're to be treated and what they're able to do. Which very early on it was you know to me. It was an I remember. Actually I started a newspaper In fourth grade called the Saint John Eagles Catholic school and the Eagle was the mascot of the school Saint Saint. John's call Saint John Eagle and I. I wanted to start my own newspaper. The school didn't have one and so in fourth grade I started this paper him I remember somewhere around the third issue I I'd written something to the effect of. Why can't the NUNS BE PRIESTS? And why can't why don't the priest just go dig? Dig The graves at cemetery was by big modest proposal and in fourth grade. Let the let the nuns be priests and send the priests ought to the seminary to dig graves. That was the end of that newspaper That was shut down and I started up again. Sixth grade and it was shut down again. I started in eighth grade and it was shut down down. Eighth Grade I asked if I could write the Christmas pageant play for our class. And they said yes. And then the the priest Saw The script and that was the end of the play. You see a pattern developing certain but this is My mom always stood behind was I never gotten any trouble. She was never mad. They baber got shutdown. Choose mad maybe that the paper dig into that. He was mad at me. I didn't do anything wrong. You know freedom of expression freedom of speech freedom of the press so There was always that sort of I didn't have to take a lot of a lot of crap that maybe other kids would have had to take. My mom was not A liberal in that sense though. She was a proud Republican conservative her father. My grandfather was a leading Republican in the era in the area. But remember that time. This was the early nineteen hundreds. They're still coming off the wave of being the true party of Lincoln in the eighteen hundreds and I'm grateful though to my mom for teaching me on the importance of conservative values. Not The way we know conservative these days but the kind of values that said to them to her and her family. Conservative men You you have. You have a responsibility to conserve the earth. This is the gift for the guy gave us. And we're to be good stewards of this gift. And were to conserve the planet in the sense that that the animals and the trees and the plants and what we grow food and all of that is intertwined and dependent on each other that was a conservative value back then conservation. I mean that's right. That's the word conserve conserve also. Don't spend money. You don't have conserve your money. Be Cautious with be careful The whole idea of just basic Family things eat dinner at the table. have conversations have debates even Encourage discussion in thinking critical. Thinking all of this. They thought that was very that that was important and In how we treat other and how we treat our neighbors and our friends I remember early on in growing up in the air. I did Racism was Nobody had to really kind of cover it up. You didn't have to pretend like racist. Try to get away with it now. especially up north but When she heard kids using language racial language in the neighborhood I I knew immediately. We'd hear her call us in the house because she did not want US hanging around. Those kids didn't want that kind of language being used she didn't want US hearing it It was offensive and we grew up with that with that sense and again. My parents are not these not political people. They were not You know radicals or anything like that. They just they had a strong sense of right and wrong. And how to treat your neighbor and the golden rule of treat people the way that you would like to be treated it was. It was very in that way very healthy household To grow up him. I've mentioned before that my mom taught me to read and write when I was four years old before I went to kindergarten. That was the greatest gift I love to read. Immediately started reading. Everything started reading the daily newspaper when it came to the house. I grab the paper and try and see how many words I could figure out for years. Old you know reading the The basic books. The big picture books all that stuff by the time in for Grade I I was. I was reading by that time. Real books and bored to death was school but but then. I had fun helping the other kids. The other students teaching them how to read and you know in and teaching them in ways that maybe cut corners but but but it worked for me so I if somebody else is six years old. You can't figure out what the adults are saying half the time but you can figure out what a six year old is telling you and also. I was very grateful for that and Being able to read to learn all of that it's very important. I'm very grateful to my mother for that. I'm grateful for. I'm grateful for her talking my dad out of sending me to the why. He went to semi down to the Y. M. C. A. and Flint to learn boxing. He just he felt like I was just a tad too sensitive or something. I don't know what what it was but there are a lot of bullies in the neighborhood. So he figured on you know the kid of mine is going to get beaten up pretty quick here so he wanted to send me down to become a boxer. I did not want to do that. There was nothing in my wiring that where I had any desire to hit another human being. The idea was just so appalling to me. Even if they were GonNa hit me I would just wouldn't it be better semi someplace where I learned how to duck you know? Just did the old one to back and forth. You know something like that maybe but You know to dance class. That would have been better. Actually I would. I could've avoided maybe being hit but not want to box in my mind. Talked him out of it? Oh Jeez I was so grateful for this It just I didn't have really any problems anyway because I think I brought this up before. Just being the tallest kid in the class of the tallest boy at least the girls were always taller until high school. The tallest boy the biggest boy and nobody really mess with me so I didn't. I didn't have a real problem with that and I did that. It's funny few years ago. this buddy of mine he's You know I was trying to think of different ways to work out and I was in the process of trying to get in better shape and and He suggested know. Let's just go. We go to the gym like and just box not each other. But you know it's like it hit the boxing thing you know the bag. Oh Man as I've I've kept those gloves me since I was a kid. I've never done it. I don't WanNa do it now. Acura is just it's it's good parody hill so I did it and Oh my God. It was so much fun not with another person that hitting a person just eating the the boxing equipment and And I did. I started doing it all the time and I would get up to three. I could throw three hundred four hundred one time. I got to five hundred punches without stopping me. Not Not taking a break just wanted to one-two-one-two-one-two one and just back with back and forth back aboard by birth and I got really got good at it and my You know I thought well this is. This is actually. This is great exercise. 'cause you are beat after you do it now whenever. I see like a boxing match or whatever I just think you know those those rounds are like three minutes long you know or. I don't know maybe in the UFC. It's three five minutes. I don't even know how they last that long Is it really takes the win data especially if somebody's pounding on you that would be even worse but but. I was grateful for my mother for at least keeping me out of that. Sort of harm's way At the time when I was thirteen I asked my mom. And My dad if I could leave home I want to go to the seminary for high school. The Catholic seminary in Michigan To be a priest there were a number of reasons. I wanted to do this Looking back now to be honest I think primarily it was because The Vietnam War was going on and I was not going to go and kill Vietnamese. That was the that was just a decision. I didn't have to take any time trying to think about it or make up my And I mean obviously right if I'm not going to go into the flint. Ymca impounded a kid in the head with a boxing glove him. I'm not I'm also not going to go to Vietnam and kill people. It's not not wired for it so if you were in the seminary That would be an exemption. I was also I also had. I had a plan B at that time to remember. The rule was at that time. That if you were the last male in your family tree with your name so like if my you know my my grandparents on my dad's side so that's the more name it's seven children I think four girls and three boys One was killed in World War. Two one of the boys in so the other the other door my dad and my uncle bill and And My dad had me and my two sisters SARS. The only boy in our family am I bill. didn't have a biological children so he adopted a boy and a girl. But this whole thing this whole rule in the United States military was about the bloodline. I was it I was the last. If if I died in Vietnam I would be the last more With that name Because obviously I haven't had any kids that point so There's other plan to get out that way but I also was. I was very inspired by these two Catholic priests They were called the Baragan brothers. Philip and Daniel Berrigan and they were very much into not just basic social justice. They were hardcore antiwar activists they were constantly committing acts of nonviolent civil disobedience in Canes Ville Maryland They went into the draft office where the all the draft records were. The people were being drafted to go to be sent to Vietnam. They went in there broke in busted in whatever took the files out of the file. Cabin took them out to the parking lot in front of the in the government building therein cadence Ville and Poured blood on the records and set them on fire and they were arrested. They went to jail For this they were doing lots of things like that. I was so while these Catholic priests that is what I'd like to do You know I'm thirteen remember. Keep that in mind. I'm thirteen. You know certain things hadn't kicked in yet so So I asked if I could go and you know they did not like the idea of Sun leaving I would be fourteen when I left. And they were not in favor of that. I was inspired by Cesar Chavez all the whole Liberation What's called Liberation Theology Catholic Church so I'll a big inspiration me I did. A lot of reading Read a lot of Jesuit stuff and So I could see. I was not going to convince my parents to let me go and I Then remembered the thing you have to say to any Catholics especially Irish Catholic parent. You have to tell them that you have a calling. You have a calling and right meaning that God is asking me to be a priest and they. They can't stand the way of God calling me. They wouldn't dare risque damn nation something like that so isis that. I'm sorry I think I have a calling here and right away they just oh man I can see the looks on their faces am you God. They'll they would never say anything like that. Oh my God. They went to mass every day of their lives every day of their lives. They went to mass anyways. I got to go. I had to go and had to be interviewed by the head Bishop type person The seminary I had The local priest had to talk to him and get his approval. And all that and I I gotta prove when I got to go. I can't leave at age fourteen. God there is so many good things about that If fourteen and you're listening to me right now you know exactly what I'm talking about. It was just. I had so much time to read and think I could play sports. I could do. I just had some freedom even though being the seminary is also being very strict strict environment but I remember one thing that the the priests had said and I remember my mom saying this to in in wanting to express. Why Sh- she though she was happy. I wanted to be a priest. She was very saddened by a to Because I was her only son and I think it was the it was the priest who said to her either that time or later. I can't remember now Because I think it was the priest I think it was the was. The priest came right after because sadly he eventually committed suicide and But he was a he was a good a good soul and It helped my parents and many people in the in the parish and He had said you know. Jesus Jesus was an only son and I kissed. That meant something. It means something to appearance. Whether you're the only daughter are the only son if you're the only of that or the only child right and it sort of stuck with me stuck with my mom and And the story as we were told it with Mary. And Jesus and all of that And this what she wanted to convey to me in terms of not that I was anymore special to her than her daughters. Although my sister's would probably claim that there was a certain special special Something granted here to the eldest and the only boy the only son but they also they also know that my mom wanted to make damn sure that they didn't have the restrictions on them as women that she had on herself and so of course they went to college and they built their lives and they did what they wanted to do and have done that through I don't think they would disagree with us. I think they've done that through their entire lives and And I think on on some level are grateful also to our mother For being modern in that sense even though she did not get to have it for herself and so I just just made me think about the some the saying that my mom saying that about not just what it meant to her but she felt that what would carry it what. I had to carry being the only boy And being in a house that was majority women Which I've always thought was a true blessing that I got to grow up that way and And that my my mom made it that way too in the house There was no women's work in that sense that I did the dishes. I vacuumed. I did I just didn't do the boy jobs like mow the lawn but this But when you're the only boy when you're the only son and eventually I think when my parents had to think about that. What if they're only sung got drafted? What if I ended up going to Vietnam but if I ended up dead I think too that as I became an adult and began to do the things I did and eventually becoming a filmmaker but making films that just upset people right and left over and over again and they got to worry constantly about me? I just hated that part of it. I hated that they would hear the vitriol. Especially in later years you know on talk radio or Fox News who are And they were always worried and I'm constantly that to worry To the noise here. It's just noise but it didn't matter you know film after film and in and not just from right right-wingers I mean the very first film The UAW coming out against by I the UAW that my uncle and family members helped found back in the thirties through the strikes but by that by the time I made my first film they in bed with management they were just giving the GM right and left. And I didn't like it and I said so I'm not supposed to say you're not supposed to say that because I'm a proud union members still to this day and That's supposed to be critical constantly being told that And so you know with Murphy always sort of attack in the sort of vitriol. Because I just speak the truth as I see it and You know my mom had Passed away a few months before the Oscars when I won the Oscar and when I spoke out against the war was only five days old at that time and was booed off the stage and Oh my God and the level of violence toward me. My Poor Dad had to be a witness tall that I just felt bad awful for him that he had the worry about me. Free One second Booed when I when I said on TV for years ago months before the election that trump was gonna win angry angry people. Liberal people angry at me. Don't tell us this stuff. Why are you saying that you're just GonNa make it happen? People angry that me that I was out there working for Bernie you're going to get trump elected again for Bernie that's I. That's the one piece of me. I don't really give a shit. You know people can complain all they want As long as my conscience is good. And I'm saying what I believe to be the truth but My parents had a very hard time dealing with it and my sisters sister's night tried to keep it as much of it away from them as possible. I remember I was trying to finish Roger me. My first film I was broke was on unemployment. I mean I didn't have anything really and I didn't know I was going to finish the film and there's no way really didn't get it done. I remember stopping by their house. And they're both in the kitchen kitchen so we have something for you and they pulled check from their checkbook for two thousand dollars. My Dad at this point is retired from the factory assembly line. So He's just on on retirement My Mom My mom is a year away from retirement and working again as a clerk township office that any money that I didn't know where they are like. Where did you get two thousand dollars? Well we we have some savings And we want you to take this and use this to finish. Sean course I need like you know twenty or thirty thousand dollars to finish it. I didn't think I was going to be able to finish and I was so moved by this night. Refused to take it and they would not let me and we went back and forth. Finally I said okay. I'll take it Over the years. I've met a lot of filmmakers who went to good. Schools came from families that had money. And you know their parents help them which is a wonderful thing And help them with more than two thousand dollars but For them for that. Two thousand dollars to them was I. Give me two hundred thousand dollars and I I'd never taken any money from them as an adult I never he had I'd probably stayed. I probably stayed at home by the time moved out. You know. Back then millennials. Soon you know we. We left home sometimes on our eighteenth birthday. Oh I stayed a little bit longer but But I never I took care of myself. I got my own jobs in my own work and I did. I did was fine. I didn't either money but This was very very moving and it did help me. Great deal when I had nothing. My mom got the live to see Most of most of my at least half my career there with my first films She got to see Bowling for columbine she got to watch. This was back when carried the canned film festival on one of the cable channels and She and my dad got to watch the ceremony where we won an award for Bowling for Columbine Camp Film Festival and She died about six weeks after that but I was always happy that she got to sell thrilled with us. Especially gave my acceptance speech in French or some call. It French but It was all it was all good. My friends and when this day comes along every year now it's a little. It's a little bitter sweet but I thought today a good way to to to acknowledge it would be to embrace it to To tell you to share with you some of these things about my mother. God I wish this was Some kind of massive zoom could do today where you would all be here even if that visually just audio wise like the like if there were one hundred speakers in this room in each had your own speaker and you could tell me a few minutes about your mother happy so cool grownup hard. Being appearance hard As we get older were very forgiving of a lot of things but also very very grateful for things that maybe we didn't realize at the time and that's how I feel. I feel that today and I feel that really every day and I'm not a week goes by where I don't think my mom or dad in some way Where I wish that they were here. I'm glad they're not alive now during this thing that we're going through. I'm glad that they did not live to see trump elected Or what he has done to this country they loved so much on my God. If this would have been their final years this is they would go out of this life thinking that this is what got left behind. How many of you probably had that situation happened to you right. They left this world probably just in sheer utter sadness and horror that their children and grandchildren. We're going to have to deal with this while we are going to deal with it. We are dealing with it and we will deal with this year twenty twenty. Thanks for letting me share. All of this with you. Much of WHO I am is because my mother and my father and the people that came before them And much of who I am is as a result the life that I've created as an adult and The people in my life in you know who you are. If you're listening to this I am forever grateful for that. I hope I could have been one tenth of what my parents were to me. I hope I've been that to you and And to those of you Who I know only through this Or through the fact that you have been fans of my work over the years. I'm eternally grateful for that and I'm glad that you keep giving me a chance to say and show things that are sometimes difficult to listen to and to see. You know why I'm doing it. It's not obviously done with any sense of wanting you to feel bad or to cause You have any sense of Harm I'm trying to undo the harm and I'm doing the best I can with So far so good. That's that's my assessment of it and and I have a robust conscience that I answered to on a daily basis. That's a good thing. And that's the thing I was given to from my mom and my dad. Happy Mother's Day Thank you for everything. Thank all of you and thank you to hear mothers for helping to make you who you are with this together. You know that and we'll come out of this together to and I really do believe we will create something different. We will not go back to the old normal. We will have the new normal and it will. 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Vaccine Expert On Coronavirus; New York Hospital CEO On Outbreak

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Vaccine Expert On Coronavirus; New York Hospital CEO On Outbreak

"From NPR and WBZ. Im Tanya Moseley. I'm Robin Young. It's here and now and everything has changed. Of course. That's been slowly happening since the corona virus outbreak but today thousands maybe millions of Americans woke up out of work over the weekend the CDC recommended a ban on gatherings of fifty people or more states have their own restrictions. Massachusetts banned all gatherings over twenty five so suddenly restaurants health clubs. Small businesses are furloughing workers with no pay trading on Wall Street halted again for fifteen minutes as markets fell. Jill Schlesinger is business analyst for CBS. News host of Jill on Money Jill. This is how small businesses work. No money coming in and dinners or lessons no payroll right and so these small business owners and were mostly thinking about when you think about like how is a small business defined the SBA. Small Business Administration says anyone less than five hundred employees but obviously the smaller the business. The deeper the problems that occur. And you're absolutely right. I mean what we know. Is that people simply. Do not have the wherewithal to be able to manage this process. And that's why I think there had been some hope that the federal government would act and sooner rather than later clearly because we're considering right now is a situation where yet people might lay off their employees but they may not be able to survive as going concerns and that to me is the real critical issue. We've got to give these the the the workers but also the small business owners a lifeline. While thousands of devoted to pass a bill that will give employees two weeks of paid sick leave if they work at a company with five hundred employees or fewer beer companies like Walmart and target are saying they too will voluntarily provide two weeks of paid sick leave But for those. Let's stay with the employees for a second. You know people worried about their insurance running out You have always told people to have what a three month backup of cash. Most people don't What can they do well? I mean I think that this is the sort of the triage version of your financial life and I understand what you know when I must sound like a broken record when I say three to six months of your living expenses and more if you're already retired but you're here now and if you don't have that or even if you do have that here's where you start you make a list of your expenses and I would say kind of in order food and shelter the most important part of this okay. You're never gonNA skimp on that so food and shelter come first Obviously utilities and car payments and insurance and servicing your debt and Medical or pharmaceutical expenses even dependent care. I mean there are plenty of people who are paying for their older relatives to be in assisted living were in homes or how home health aides and they can't afford to shut that off right now. So you've got to make sure you understand what the priorities are. I will say that You know in terms of those must pay expenses. It used to be. I would always say oh utilities because you don't want your utilities shut off but most states and I'm pretty sure all will they're banning any utility shut offs you know. He'd water and electricity during the national emergency. So I think that you don't have to worry about that. What I'm not sure if that would apply to Internet service providers. Because if everyone's working from home you need your. Internet service provider. Yeah but stay with people who aren't working at home. I mean people who are working at home or the lucky ones on those who just are being told. We can't afford to pay you and we're tremendously sorry. What about their employers as you said they also have to think about how long they can go without functioning and whether they're going to go under we've been hearing anecdotally about You know a climbing club that had a close and look you can stop your dues. But we're hoping that you keep paying your monthly dues even though you're not coming so we can pay the staff and we've heard of young people saying we're going to do that or a suggestion that if something closes you buy a gift certificate to it like you know to to put money in now that you can then use the facility later right. I mean those are. Those are great ideas. Unfortunately that's really not what's needed. What is needed is a whole scale. Federal Government Intervention Right. Here you know like when the financial system gets clogged up. It's the Federal Reserve the steps in win our consumers and small businesses when they're cash flow gets clogged up when they are in need. We must have the Federal Government Act and act swiftly so I feel like they're on the precipice of potentially doing that but we need it now and a couple of things I should just point out the. Fdic has issued a statement to Bank saying that they think that banks they can't make them do it but they believe banks should waive fees like ATM fees overdraft fees and late fees on credit cards and other loans. They think that there should be increasing. Credit CARD LIMITS FOR CREDIT WORTHY BORROWERS. And they want the banks to offer payment accommodation like allowing a borrower to skip or defer some payments or extending the payment due date so. I'm hopeful that the banks and the lending institutions are going to step in where the government is failing right now and just real quick Joe. The Federal Reserve did cut interest rates to practically zero. Will that make it easier for small businesses to apply for loans to get money? Yes but it's not the panacea we need to get money into these people's pockets now and that's not gonNA happen efficiently if you have to go through a loan process even if it's expedited so it's better but it really is not the cure and remember. There really isn't a cure right this minute. What has happened is the economy which was going along at fifty five miles. An hour at the beginning of this year has screeched. And the economy's in a skit. We don't know whether we end up in a ditch or we end up like oh. That was scary. But we're okay because of that uncertainty. That's what investors need to see. Government action take place right now and remember. That's what happened. After the two thousand eight housing crisis. A lot of money was put into the economy. There was some criticism of that. But that's how we got through Jill Schlesinger business analyst for CBS news host of Jilin Money. Thanks as always great to be with you. Georgia has pushed its primaries from late March until may over corona virus fears Louisiana has also postponed its presidential primaries but the four states originally scheduled to vote tomorrow with nearly six hundred. Delegates are still on that's Ohio Arizona Illinois and Florida. The biggest prize of tomorrow night for more on that we have with us. Tom Hudson Vice President of news in a special correspondent at W. R. N. in Miami. Welcome Tom Great to be with you. Thanks for the time today. Yes let's start with the big news of course. How is this corona virus affecting the state's primary there? Well it is not in terms of. It's still being held. There are a handful of polling places that county election supervisors have moved because those polling places are in senior living facilities or retirement homes. And as you may know. The governor has stopped visitors from going to those locations because the vulnerable population to cove at nineteen but otherwise it is dare. I say business usual in terms of at least holding the primary you have. They talked about any precautions that are being taken and tips for people as they go to those. Polls yes social distancing hand sanitizer. I was at a polling place in early polling place over the weekend and they had a a free standing hand. Sanitizer machine right there as you were waiting in line to get all of your documents check. There's been some concern stated early on that. They may have trouble fully staffing all the polling places because of concerns about social distancing from the poll workers. Yeah last night in the debate in DC. Both candidates made the argument that they're the best leader and this time of crisis. I'm wondering as Floridians go to the polls With this crisis in mine. Who's got the lead there? Joe Biden Undoubtedly. The former vice president has a large margin over the Vermont. Senator Bernie Sanders and That's expected to really be pretty solid as we as we'll see the results on Tuesday night Biden Has the lead but Also last Night Bernie. Sanders refuse to back down on his comments. Praising Cuba's late Communist dictator Fidel Castro. Or at least Castro's literacy program. How have those Castro Comments Played Out in Florida? Which has a very large Cuban population. Certainly here in south Florida. Where I'm talking to you from in Miami. They haven't played out all The Vermont senator wasn't doing well With the Cuban Americans to begin with and then the statements that were aired on sixty minutes a few weeks ago just deepen the hole that he was in and then of course him continuing to essentially doubled down on on his nuance to statement regarding the Castro regime has now brought him any favors. When it comes to the cuban-american voting block here a Telemundo poll from early March found that Cuban voters for instance would choose president trump over a democratic candidate sanders. Seventy four percent to nineteen percent And Cuban voters also favored the president over even the former Vice President Joe Biden although the margin while still large was less than what it was for Bernie Sanders. You know this. Primary is very important. It probably would be the top story right now if people's minds were on corona virus What's going on there in Florida? Can you give us an idea especially with the state's very large tourism industry reeling We have seen this story move so fast. I've never experienced an economic story like this over the course of Friday. Through Sunday we had the cruise industry coming to a standstill. For thirty days. We had American Airlines. Which is the predominant major legacy carrier serving Miami and Latin America announced that it will end more than a dozen routes into Latin America and into Miami Through may so the industry simply just does not have any ability to figure out what Tuesday Wednesday. Thursday. We'll bring let alone. April May and this is the high season. This is the time when this industry gets its business and big concern about How it's going to be able to withstand anything that stretches more than a month or so that's wwl. Rn's Tom Hudson in Miami. Thank you so much for this update. Oh thank you. This message comes from here and now's sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot Com post. A job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsored jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash here now terms conditions and quality standards apply offer valid through March. Thirty first twenty twenty. So where are we on testing for the corona virus? There's been a lot of criticism the NIH is Anthony. Fauci said the. Us Isn't set up for the idea of anybody getting tested easily as happens in other countries but the White House has a goal of testing tens of thousands by the end of this week. Here's vice president pence at the White House. Yesterday we will now have access in the days ahead. More than two thousand labs across the country that have the equipment today to process corona virus tests Much more rapidly much higher volume for the American people in terms of delivering those services of more than ten states In addition to CDC labs public health labs and labs states can now authorize in their states more than ten states have implemented their own drive through testing sites. So hopefully that will unfold as planned. But what about a vaccine human trials? One begin today reportedly including forty five healthy volunteers at the Kaiser. Permanente Research Institute in Seattle. It's a vaccine funded by the National Institutes of Health and co-developed by biotech company. Moderna we spoke with him last month. Today we want to check in with Dr Dan Barrack Director of the Center for Virology Vaccine Research at Beth. Israel deaconess Medical Center in Boston. Now he's known for his work. On vaccines for Zeke virus and HIV which causes AIDS and is now in the race for a corona virus vaccine. Dr Baruch Welcome to be here so reminders of where we are here you and others say it was critical that Chinese officials actually released the genetic sequence of this new corona virus. The one that causes cove in nineteen. That's helped you. Absolutely the sequence of the current virus was released on January tenth and that allowed us and many other groups to start working on a vaccine immediately. In fact our team started to analyze the sequence that same day and we worked through the weekend to develop vaccine immunizations that could be used for vaccine development so again we have the DNA. Which is the road map and as we understand that the MODERNA vaccine uses RNA. This translates genetic information in DNA. And proteins. The MODERNA VACCINE. Set up these so-called custom-built Messenger Arnaiz sent the Mir narrator produce an immune response to the corona virus. Your vaccines we understand have to approach is also has to do with DNA the others related to the common cold. Can you briefly? Tell us what your hope is so these all are part of a class of vaccines called gene based vaccines. We take just a piece of the virus. Dna or Aurigny and we use that as a vaccine. This is different than traditional vaccine methods. Which would use the entire virus. I as the vaccine. And what is the basic thinking is to trick the body into you know forming an immunity to the virus yes so we are producing DNA vaccines as well as recombinant had no virus vector based vaccines which means that a piece of the corona virus is encoded in a piece of DNA called a plasma or into a common cold virus that is harmless once injected into the body these are carriers that take the gene of interest corona virus Piece INTO CELLS. The host then makes the protein and we make an immune response to that protein. How is it different now because of technologies just you can get to the genetic coding of the virus faster I mean? How's it different today than maybe fifty years ago there are several important differences first we have recombinant DNA technology which means we can go directly from the sequence of the virus of interest to vaccine construct. Much more quickly than we used to. Secondly the techniques to develop vaccines are very different for example the DNA vaccines are vaccines. And the live. Recombinant factor base vaccines. Didn't exist fifty years ago. Well we understand. There are many hoping for this holy grail Texas Children's Hospital in Dr Peter Hotels Dr Hotels by the way is also talking about a serum treatment. That would help. Infected patients created by drawing antibodies from the blood of patients who've recovered from Cova nineteen very exciting. We're going to talk to him tomorrow. But hotels and his team are also working on prevention are using a SARS vaccine that was shelved when SARS which reminders another corona virus faded away. Their vaccine has been frozen since then. He says you know it's like hockey. You WanNa take as many shots on the goal is you. Can you agree right? Absolutely the race is not against other vaccine developers. The race is against the virus and the epidemic. There's actually a lot of collaboration and working together amongst people who are engaged in this. It's needed to have multiple different vaccines move forward in fact the parallel development of multiple vaccines against the corona virus is really essential because at this point in time we do not know which vaccines will prove the safest the most effective the most durable and also the most deployable. I'm GonNa Talk About Your HIV vaccine. It's not on the market after years and years of research but how hopeful we understand. It's in clinical trials but. Why did that take so long? The outbreak was in the eighties for HIV. Vaccine Development has presented a unique and unprecedented scientific challenges. It's not a single virus sequence but rather a countless number of different virus sequences throughout the world in any region and even in a single infected individual so for HIV. We don't know exactly which sequence to use for the corona virus as well as other pathogens like Zepa virus so far sequences are relatively homogeneous so we have a much clearer target in addition for HIV. There isn't a single person that we know of that has recovered and clear the virus through their own immune system whereas for more traditional viruses like Zepa virus like virus than most people who get infected. Do Recover so we have experiments of nature that show us that. It's possible for the immune system to conquer the virus. I was just want to jump here to to make sure that we made clear people who have HIV. You say that the virus might not clear out from their body but they don't necessarily get full blown AIDS and they don't necessarily get sick for HIV infected individuals. There is no known case of an HIV infected individual completely clearing the virus and being cured based on their own immune responses. We can control the virus with medications and those are lifesaving however so far we're not able to cure them and the important point from that is that for HIV there are unique challenges that are unprecedented in the history of vaccinate. Well and of course we wish you the best of luck with yours but yours. Also the you know the platform that you've used for that and for Zico is now helping you with your work on the corona virus. Let's just go back to that for a second. What does it feel like in the lab? I mean when there's this race against time so I there is no way that we could have moved so quickly in the development of a Krono vice vaccine if it wasn't for the fact that we have developed these platform technologies for other pathogens in the past such as HIV and Zeka but nevertheless there's a huge sense of urgency amongst everyone in the lab. Who's working on this long days No weekends to try to move things forward even just a little bit faster now. Back to the MODERNA vaccine against from another company. It's not being tested on humans. Volunteers I think these people who are volunteering to do this. Or that's pretty spectacular for a clinical trial of a new vaccine. The volunteers are educated. That this is an experimental back. Seen we don't know for sure whether it will work or not and they're also may be risks that we don't know about yet that being said these technologies have been used in humans for other pathogens so for other virus vaccines so although they are new and they could have unexpected adverse effects. We are relatively sure that the vaccines will be safe. How effective they will be remains unknown. Well that is the last question what do you think? When do you think there might be vaccine? It's very difficult to say when there will be a vaccine for corona virus. What I can tell you is that at the time. Line to initiating the first in human phase one clinical. Trial is not the same as the time line for when a vaccine will be available to the public for example. It might only take a few months to get a vaccine into a clinical trial. But there's still a lot of work that has to be done before the vaccine can be tested in large numbers of people can manufactured at hundreds of millions of doses and deployed in clinical populations across the world is a cautionary tale. Here we still know how much the everyday flu kills. And there's a vaccine for that so a hopefully people's memories won't fade and when the vaccine comes for Cova nineteen they take it. I think I think the the flu shots now is at forty five percent absolutely well. When there is a vaccine against colonel virus then there will be a lot of a discussion as to how it will be deployed and it will be very much dependent on where the epidemic is at that point in time. There is a possibility that such a vaccine will be needed to end the epidemic. However if the epidemic resolves through public health measures which of is what we would hope a vaccine would still be very useful for the next epidemic or a future epidemic data. Dan Brook Director of the Center for Virology Vaccine Research at Beth Israel. Deaconess medical center also Well known for his groundbreaking research on HIV and Zico vaccines and he's joined the race for the Corona virus vaccine. Dr Rubin Thank you so much an best to you. Thank you very much Today the number of infections around the world surpass those in China millions of people in the US and Europe are holed up at home countries and states tightened restrictions on how many can gather. Italy has most cases in Europe. More than twenty four thousand followed by Spain and France. Let's bring in the BBC's Hugh Scofield in Paris Hugh they're already more than five thousand infections in France. The head of that country's Health Service said today the situation there is only getting worse. It sounds dire tells more yeah. The the medical profession frauds is detectable angry. I think at the lack of seriousness which they see in the French population We've had in France a series of warnings in a series of steps Which are pretty drastic at schools. Being shot Restaurants cafes being shut but over the weekend here in Paris for example where there was great weather people were out and about in the parks along the banks of the river. Seine in groups hobnobbing as if the warnings and never been made so today Monday. The country's woken up with this clarion alarm call from the medical profession and particularly from the from the the chief medical officer. They're saying look. Things are getting very very serious. Cases number of cases is doubling every three days. That's exponential doesn't sound like you know five thousand cases inside much now but when that's doubled a few times it'll seem very very serious so it is time for the country to really wake up. And we are kind of expecting the government to the follow that lead and announce more stringent measures in the ASS to come a couple of things I mean can. Can't they see what's happening in Italy? Where people are you know are staying at home and singing to each other from their apartment windows and do you think that the the government will do things like send the gendarmes out to arrest people on the street. Well I mean you're you're right. The the sort of the tension between France and Italy in this has been very apart from the start. The French have been rather superior and supercilious in their attitude towards the Italians As if it couldn't happen here But I think it's just human psychology. I mean you don't really get it until it's right at your door and it hasn't really been right at the French until now and now a now. It's sort of kicking in and now now the the the seriousness of it is really being felt So that's the first question as to you know what the government's going to do it's expected that they do announce some kind of confinement we'll rigorous con confinement. We don't that but that's a speculation. how it will be enforced. I just don't know I mean I I. It seems to me that in Spain and Italy is being forced by encouragement and by being police on the streets. I haven't heard anyone of anyone. Being fine does enter prisoner. Anyway that I know imagine it will be something similar. Here that there will be the security forces police Even today we'll we'll be out that telling people what to do but I I very much doubt. They'll be imposing fine. Bbc's Hugh Scofield in Paris thank you you well. Here are just a few more notes about the corona virus around the world today. Iran reported another one hundred twenty nine deaths. That's the largest one day rise fatalities since Iran began battling. What is the worst covert nineteen outbreak in the Middle East? There are also now confirmed cases in at least thirty of the fifty four countries in Africa and millions of people in the Philippines are under Quarantine Cova nineteen has killed dozens in that Southeast Asian nation. So stay with us. Stay if you can. We will take you around the world. Medical experts are saying the worst karenna virus is yet to come and according to projections by Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. Millions of people will need medical help. But he says there simply aren't enough hospital intensive care beds or ventilators in the US to treat the people who might need them. And that's why New York state governor. Andrew Cuomo is calling for the Army Corps of Engineers to retrofit military bases and college dorms for temporary medical facilities. One New York Hospital. Ceo Joins us to talk about what they're doing. Michael Dowling is president and CEO of New York State's largest healthcare provider North while health and former New York state health secretary. Welcome Michael in fact. Masha that to be on. Thank you so tell us. Are Your twenty three hospitals ready? Yes we're pretty. Well prepared We have been organizing for this for a long time. We have reached out to all of the doctors and all of the retired. Narcissus and people have actually been writing to volunteer to come back so we've reached out to all of them now. Obviously this is going to get worse over the next month or two believe that. He's going to accelerate show. We have to intensify a reference. And make sure that we have the staff into capacity into supplies to deal with it. And I'm pretty comfortable that overall that We are in pretty good position here. Okay I I hear you on that But last week I spoke with two Italian doctors who shared how their hospitals are overflowing and we've seen reports where patients are treated based on whether they survive. What are you most worried about from me? The it's the biggest issue and all of this can be overcome. I happen to be somebody that believes that you have to look at the bright side of things rather than always the negative because the negative only on feeds anxiety. You have to make sure that you have the staff available because staff you'll get infected and if staff people come in contact with somebody is infected then to have to go and be quarantined for a period of time so you have to manage valley wells and then obviously the supplies. I mean the the masks gloves the gowns defense and if you have a huge spike and we are doing everything at the moment to enhance our supplies our inventory of all of those supplies and if those things happen the way I believe it will happen. I think I didn't think that we'd be in a pretty good position but we always have to be prepared of course for something to spike beyond what. I think it might happen. And then we will have to adapt and be flexible. Unf- Riday you and the governor opened the first dry through testing site on the east coast. How is that testing going? That testing is going. Velayati while and a it's started on Fridays you mentioned and it's it's Operating successfully we will be opening. I believe others those some of those in the planning stages right now but that allows people to drive in. They don't have to get out of their cars. I when I was out on Friday. You know they were like ten fifteen cars and align and it goes very very quickly. People Swab through the windows of the car Shorts are quick process. And obviously the more you test the more Thais late d'amour able to treat and only testing those people that are out sick and those people that are in contact with somebody that has a confirmed case and of course the tests the more cases. You're going to find and that's going to drive. Despite you mentioned earlier that you feel optimistic. I think that will it through this crisis or health. Yeah you're still feeling as confident as you were on Friday. Yes because We faced with these issues all the time. I mean we had a bowl. We had a h one n one. We had thought of Ken Sandy And you know you've got make sure your staff that are working on the front lines. All the time and demonstrate unbelievable compassionate commitment here that they see that at work is valued and that we are going to defeat this issue. It may be a rough couple of months and as I've said many times it's not what happens to you. Matters is all your respond to it and healthcare organizations are very adaptable and And they're very resilient and the one thing I believe that This whole event demonstrates for us as a country is that we have to bill rebuild up our public health infrastructure We were not as prepared overall as we should have been nationally. And I think when this is over I believe that it should be an investment re strengthening an acceleration of investment in research in public health infrastructure and staffing of CDC In in the inventory increasing the inventories of supplies in our storehouses around the place. Those are the kinds of things that we've got to be focusing on because after this is over at some point in the future there will be another one and so we have to learn the lessons of this one and while I believe I believe we will succeed here. I do believe it teaches us a lesson about how to be better prepared overall country for the next one because that will be such a case. That's Michael Dowling. He's president and CEO of New York State's largest healthcare provider North well health and former New York State Health Secretary Mr Dowling. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you very much. Older adults are the most vulnerable to infection from corona virus and while attention is focused on the deaths in nursing homes. The vast majority of older adults live independently and fact more than a million live. Affordable housing regulated by the Federal Government. And the owners of those buildings say the Department of Housing and Urban Development has provided almost no guidance on protecting their vulnerable tenants. Npr's Aina Jaffe reports eighty year old. Margie Ramirez moved into Bethany Center in San Francisco's mission district on July fourth. Twenty eleven. And she's been busy ever since on Tuesday it's A Latin exercise class and they do a little hip hop there are art classes on Wednesday and Thursday and another one on Friday. We were working on portraits. Last time I went but that life has come to a screeching halt group activities have been cancelled says Ramirez replaced by isolation with this virus. Going on I kind of stay up in my room. I find things to do. I read or watch TV. Or I'm on the computer. Or you know I mean. After a couple of weeks it probably is going to be harder beyond basic advice. Like hand washing and social distancing. She says no one has talked to her about what would happen if one of her neighbors fell ill or if there were quarantines in the building that may be because the building owners haven't been told either that absolutely should becoming from Hud says Mary mcmullan's spokeswoman for cu via the owner of six buildings offering affordable housing for seniors. Hud is responsible. She says because well the affordable buildings are owned by nonprofits like career it's hud that regulates them and foots. The bill hudd should be advising us where we would be able to get things like additional supplies for cleaning or emergency funding if we needed additional staff or how we manage visitors coming to our communities because while the residents in these buildings live independently independently. They received supportive services in their homes. Like so many other older adults hospice nurses come in home. Health providers come in and we really need Hud to let us know how we can manage a situation of this magnitude with the small resources that are available to an affordable housing community providers of affordable senior housing. Have so many questions says Linda Couch Vice President for housing policy at leading age which represents thousands of nonprofits that services for older adults in fact her organization sent a letter with more than a dozen questions to vice president pence who heads the administration's Corona Virus Taskforce and Hud Secretary Ben Carson. We wrote the letter to try to sound the alarm within the task force. That here is a very large and very at risk population screaming out for some guidance from Hud. Hud has not yet answered leading just letter. The agency also declined. Npr's request for an interview but it did put out additional guidance for affordable housing operators on Thursday that document acknowledges that there's no emergency plan for infectious disease outbreaks but says it will take lessons from the current crisis to develop one. I Know Jaffe. Npr News And we've of course been following the economic fallout from Cova nineteen another big dive in the stock market today. Triggering the third hall to trading in recent days and then those layoffs at restaurants bakeries travel agencies fitness clubs as people are told to stay home. Let's call up somebody who's at Home Derek Thompson senior editor at the Atlantic. He joins us from Washington. Dc does each Monday and Derek. You are self quarantining. You're among the lucky American can work from home. We're talking about people who are out of work at home but you're working from home. Welcome good to be here. Thank you Robin. And as you will know the Federal Reserve cut rates near zero over the weekend but Jill. Schlesinger told us at the top of the hour. Yeah that will help. Small businesses borrow money but that takes time and besides We need to just give money to businesses and to people to employees at home. You agree and you go further you say cold heart cash. Ice Cold hard cash is what we need. The Federal Reserve's move is important. It's important to keep credit flowing especially when you're looking economic crisis you don't want a health crisis and economic crisis to turn into a financial crisis or the Federal Reserve's move is really important but it's not enough. We need cold hard cash in the hands of families. We need cold hard cash in the hands of people who are working from home Whose work might be disrupted and we need it in the hands of people who are inevitably going to be laid off because you look across this economy. Look what's happening in the leisure and hospitality sector of the economy. Restaurants are getting crushed. Airlines are getting crushed airports. Anyone who works in an airport. They could potentially lose their job as well as you see a airlines. Pull BACK ON. The number of flights at their offering people are GONNA lose their jobs. Thousands maybe millions and the federal government has to respond to. This is not only a public health crisis but also economic crisis that is akin to the great recession when we did hand out cold hard cash so that is what we have to start thinking about immediately. Let let's remind people. This is two thousand eight. George W Bush signed an economic stimulus. That mail checks to families within six weeks of the bill's passage. This was US after the housing collapse when the whole economy almost collapsed. That's right George. W Bush signed a law that sent checks to over one hundred million people's houses of those checks. Were about a couple hundred dollars. We need something I think. Closer to one thousand or fifteen hundred dollars per family. Maybe a couple hundred dollars per child as well because you know you compare this to the great recession and in many ways there is no comparison in the great recession schools. Were not close down in the great recession restaurants. Were not close down. Business did not come to an absolute sudden standstill. We're looking at something. That really has no precedent in the last one hundred years there has never been a time in a service sector economy when services were essentially shut down for public health reasons across not only the US but also the world so we need to respond to this in a big big way. I think it's one of these. Go bigger go home situations I say. Give thousands of dollars to families immediately and that will help them not only wait out this recession but also hopefully we'll get through this and we'll have growth again and health again in public life again in the summer and we want families to be able to emerge from that and say. I've got hundreds of dollars that I can spend in local community businesses and that will lead to a v-shaped recovery quick bounce back and not along dragged out recession. Well this is what President Obama did after the great recession poured money into the economy. You're talking about cash directly to people now. The trump administration has proposed a payroll tax cut. We understand and you write. That will get workers money but mainly the white collar already working at home workers. It doesn't help. The people were talking about as much those who are getting furloughed today as we speak. Yeah I think. Let's be fair to the administration here. There are good reasons for a payroll tax cut in. There are bad reasons. The good reason for payroll tax cut is that it's really really fast. You can start giving people money almost immediately. Almost everything else I think is a weakness about it. It tends to help people who need the least help. It tends to help higher income white collar workers who like me can just work from home so our jobs are not threatened by something like a public health crisis. It also doesn't give give people money in a really fast and big way because you're only taking a little bit of their paycheck bumping it up a little bit every two weeks. I think people need a thousand dollars as soon as possible and finally it doesn't do anything for people who are not working and lots of people are going to lose their jobs in this recession. That's what we need to think about. So we need to bump up unemployment insurance paid lease and just give a thousand dollars to every family no matter what they're doing talk about unemployment insurance because as you know the federal government already jointly funds jobless benefits with states. But you say they really got a bump up this. You know the amount of money people get when they're suddenly furloughed laid off unemployed. Yeah I think I think thousands maybe hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people are GONNA lose their jobs in the next few months especially in the leisure and hospitality industry. When they do lose their jobs we need to have a really really strong safety net. That's going to catch them. Only the federal government has the ability to borrow at a really really cheap rate and run an enormous deficit in order to fund that safety net. So I say run a huge deficit right now. Put a lot of money into unemployment insurance. Make sure the people who do lose their jobs have money in their pockets that they can spend now to keep families afloat and later when become out of this recession. That's we need to be thinking about that's Derek Thompson senior editor at the Atlantic. By the way you know self quarantining at home as you know so many reporters are doing now to keep their workplaces safe Derek thanks so much thank you. Hearts go to everyone impacted by this crisis which will continue to cover. I'm Robin I'm Tanya Moseley. This is here now

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Coronavirus: Should We Let People Get Infected?

Science Rules! with Bill Nye

35:27 min | 4 months ago

Coronavirus: Should We Let People Get Infected?

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We are all in this together. My friends now more than ever. We're nearing one point eight million total cases of Kobe. In the US and will likely hit two million sometime this month, but even that massive number is far short of the more than two hundred million people scientists estimate will have to develop resistance to this virus in order to achieve this thing we call her immunity, and that's in the US alone along with protesting peacefully and setting fires violently last weekend, thousands and thousands of people were out yelling at each other often without masks and seem they were always standing within arm's reach one another none of his six feet business, which brings us to a question. We haven't talked about much on this show. What chances are we willing to take? How much are we willing to risk our own health and more importantly, the health of others in order to get to this mythic her immunity and get past this pandemic. That's the kind of tough question Dr Ezekiel. Emanuel has been dealing with for years including his work as a former health policy advisor to the Obama White House, he is known college est a bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania and Co host of the PODCAST, making the call which takes on the ethical quandary of this pandemic Doctor Emmanuel Welcome to science rules. Welcome. May I call you Zeke everyone else does thanks to be here? Thank you for taking the time. We are already at more than one hundred thousand deaths in the US. And we all want to know how you're going to get. Well I think you know. We've had a hundred thousand deaths in roughly three months so by the end of the year barring barring some major change, I think we're probably heading into the range of two hundred thousand laser. People wouldn't have died otherwise right these are. Some of them might have died. But you look at what. You know we call excess stats above the baseline. It does appear that There are a number of excess deaths I mean we actually this morning. We're just looking at the number of excess deaths from pneumonia and influenza, and that gives you an indication of extra covid Dass because a lot of those people die from influential like. Fever right difficulty breathing. So they may be Cova Cases Miss. Classified influence on, and so you look at. What do you expect this year? which hasn't been a particularly bad year, certainly compared to twenty eighteen, as far as the flu goes. Yes, and then you look at the. How much higher the death rate is, it's at least twenty thousand. So in addition to the confirmed covert deaths, there are these other influenza. That's no. What about this last weekend I mean of course the racism, but now everybody out yelling at each other is just gotta be worse. Diani estimates based on last weekend. No I would say We have learned a couple of really important things about the transmission of covert. The first important thing we've learned is that it's much more transmissible indoors than outdoors. Why is that stagnant air? Exactly you're repeating air from the same room. with someone and the number of particles you pick up by the other person if they're positive exhaling is you know you're just breathe the same thing over, but we also on the second thing that you get a lot more particles distributed. If you sneeze cough, sing and yell you. Bring up air from the bottom of your long with a lot of virus particles. You shoot them out a pretty wide now in the outdoors. There's some dilution effect, but it's not complete. We know that and back you know if you get your hands on it, and then you touch someone else, and so I think you're saying. Is exactly right, which is standing right next to each other, not wearing masks, screaming and shouting and chanting these are not good for transmission and probably pretty bad for transmission so based on last weekend. You think you're GONNA. See an even bigger spike than you might have otherwise expected. Yes I think. You know if you rewind two weeks ago. I think a lot of people were expecting during the summer because people are moving outdoors, the temperature's getting a little higher. Some combination of More people are wearing face masks. More people are social distancing in tearing to this. Thank people were looking at a sort of Nice way to drop down the transmission rate over the summer, and maybe brace ourselves for the fall. October November when we go back indoors and the. Unfortunate. likely transmission and potential second-wave is going to happen now. You have this situation and. You've gotta worry that combined with a lot of reopening of things so eating in restaurants going into stores yet gotta think that there's GonNa be a uptick. Got To be so. This leads us to the question. What kind of risks are we willing to take one thing? Many of the people protesting were young people. Does that affect the way you estimate how many people are going to die from this thing from last weekend? So it, definitely is the case that younger people are Eysenck, thematic, or have mild symptoms in general, and it's important to put the caveat in general and that if you're older, you're much more vulnerable to severe symptoms and maybe even catching a covid nineteen. Know for sure about the catching part. We do know that if you're older, you're more likely to have severe symptoms and died from it. on the other hand I would say the in general part is very important, so they're always these anecdotes, and unfortunately we don't have great data, you know. Yang thirty five year old, otherwise healthy skinny so doesn't have any of the risk. Factors gets Kovic and has what appears to be some serious persistent respiratory problems never intimated, but persistent respiratory problems intimated pretty getting. Get Tube down your throats. You keep breathing right so in general people don't have a severe, but if you in fact, tens of thousands of people there will be a number of them who? Are GonNa be outliers, and in this case outliers in a negative way by having serious illness and maybe again we don't know because we don't have long term. Follow up, maybe long-term respiratory and lung them years and years. Yeah, so is. Have you all Europe bioethicist? Ethics of life. Have! You given thought to WHO's GONNA. Live and WHO's going to die here we are. We have We had this. We had this March ten days later. A whole bunch of people comeback sick, so the emergency room in pick a place Washington DC is overwhelmed. Is there. Are you all ready? Are we as a society ready to make choices? Can you make recommendations to US voters and taxpayers Oh she's over sixty five with diabetes. What's not worked hard on her? He's under thirty with no existing conditions. Let's help this person. Has A high body mass index to high. We're GonNa let that person probably dive. You guys given that a bunch of thought. Yes and I would say what you characterizes probably not where we've come out various different groups including my own group at University of Pennsylvania this is a topic I've been working on literally since two thousand and six how you allocate absolutely scarce medical resources in a pandemic, or when you just don't have nothing to go around to everyone. Who's got a medical need. I began working on it because of a report from hhs on what to do. Do in a pandemic influenza and they had. We should allocate vaccine and medical intervention. This is in two thousand six. You started on this US 'cause Michael Levitt. who was then secretary of hhs right after Cyrus hit said. Wow, we've got to be prepared for a potential pandemic and he looked in. There wasn't really good advice, so he asked the government bureaucrats. The began getting good advice, so you all did that wasn't especially ready to go this year, was it? Wow that's not true. There were several reports. Unfortunately and I think again this is. Each administration comes in recognize this. It's important, but then they you know, get overwhelmed by the urge rather than the important and sorry you getting an alert a curfew. That's right exactly. You've got so here in real time. What is what is the alert? Say you're sitting in. Washington DC in four thirty in the afternoon. It was the mayor that was a lot down. So that's what that was about so during our during this recording you won't be. There will be seven o'clock curfew. That's pretty early curfew, everyone. Yeah, so you were saying after this dramatic intervention from the mayor of Washington. DC BY MOBILE. You were talking about the ethics of what to do during a pandemic and the planning that started back in two thousand six. Yeah and so. I think there's been a you know to some degree. A consensus built up that you know top priority our healthcare workers, not because they're kind of special people in any moral sense, but they can help save other people, and so they get top priority. If there's a scarce resources and then priority is to save the most life years not lives individual lives, but length of lives. We want people to live through what we have called the complete life be able to be children. Young adults Middle Age. Raise a family who have a good run as my relatives would say. Exactly and. Play out the whole nine innings of life. And that's I think very. Strongly been the view. It's not the number of lives you saved. That actually is not the relevant criteria, but having people who can live through a complete life and I think that's become a that's a view. We articulated early on and reemphasize in two thousand and nine and I think it's been and we reemphasized the Justice March and I. Think it's been the dominant view Zeke Dr Manual does sound a little bit like well, if somebody's ever certain age with certain body, mass index with certain pre conditions for example diabetes. We're not gonNA work that hard to save you. Now. It's not that we're not gonNA work. That heart safe you. It's different. Circumstances explained the. Is You got one respirator and to patients who? Or you have one ICU bad, or you know if a vaccine comes, we have one vaccine Who Do we choose? That's the kind of circuit. It's not that I've got the patient I've got a bed in the ICU. I've got a restaurant and we're not going to work that hard to save you because you happen to be in a high risk Gatti's on. You have to make choices. It's when you're forced by nature. To bake choices, and that's a very different circumstance and than the one. You were suggesting so long this line. Do we have enough resources right now for when this next bounce or second wave shows up? While it depends how extreme the second wave is I think we also have learned a lot. Just in three months about how to manage these patients, the importance of having anti coagulation, probably not of using respirators. It looks like respirators are counterproductive flooding them with oxygen, but not forcing the air in the lungs, probably as more important to do so I. Think we've learned several things about managing the problem, not everything because we still don't have. have real cheers. I mean ran. This aveer has got an emergency. You use authorization, but you know I think most people conclude modest at best so going forward the united. States is going to have to make some changes. How do you feel about the efficacy for this comes up all the time on this podcast. How do you feel about the efficacy of masks? Okay! I've just reviewed this literature, so the literature is not overwhelmingly positive in a randomized control trials. In fact, there's one randomized controlled trial that everyone wants to, and that's Australia two thousand and nine using masks small study. To prevent influenza spread probably helpful. You know it's a hard thing of natural experiment to do using mask, not using mass. Here's my view of it. What's the downside of using masks all right nothing? They're cheap. Not Free, they probably prevent you from especially. If you cough or sneeze, spreading widely prevents you from inhaling some part. Are they as good as and ninety five masks? No, do they reduce your risk? Yes, if you're walking outside, something unexpected might happen. Someone might sneeze in your face. You might want to go into a store and you might be caught with other people. You just don't know so. We should get into the habit of wearing those masks. Certainly during this period to reduce the spread day are not sufficient alone. 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And getting some life advice from unladylike hall of Famer Tori Amos. The battles were raging with the boys club especially. If you were doing something that they didn't understand, they would just say Tara. You're GonNa Destroy Your career and I'm like well if I can't wake up and look at myself in the morning, fears self respect, right. You don't WanNa Miss. This season subscribed to unladylike stitcher, apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What about her immunity? What are the chances that will get there? In a disciplined fashion rather than what I'm thinking of as a catastrophic fashion while the only disciplined faction that is likely to get us to hurt. Immunity will be a vaccine most places new. York has the most. If you randomly select people seems to have around fifteen to twenty percent people infected. Almost every other place including places like Stockholm or Chicago, other cities are below ten percent. We need to get got it recorders right seventy eight to get sixty to seventy eighty percent, and we don't know exactly for sure because we're not there So we're a long way away, and we've already had one hundred thousand deaths on our way to call a ten percent at best. You. Don't WanNa do it the natural way We need a vaccine much faster than allowing another few hundred thousand people that Diana our way getting hurt immunity, so wow, so speaking vaccines. Let's say one comes into existence a year from now or even less than a year from now. You all have given thought as to who gets it first. Yes so again, healthcare workers first responders people who interact a lot and have the opportunity to spread a lot. They probably need the vaccine. I grocery clerks, policemen, firemen those are the people who really need it. If you're going to prevent spread if you're going to reopen primary and secondary schools, you probably are going to have to vaccinate teachers who are at high risk, because they're intersecting with a lot of students and are older and. Run the age range with a real co Morbid dissociate school, teachers and staff are the kind of people that you would wanNA. Do Nursing homes where a lot of mortality happens That's another place nursing home workers. So! Those are the those are your first run now? The big problem in the United States is We're GONNA have a lot of vaccine or we're going to have a pot of vaccine, but a lot of the ways we traditionally give vaccine are not gonna be available to us right CVS stores. I know that at my University University of Pennsylvania. Lots of people just lineup and Bam Bam, Bam. They go through. Why won't we be able to do that? While you don't want to have people winding up. How well I tell you line up all the time. Six feet from people, two meters from people at the grocery store hardware store, but not hundreds of people in that line going through I mean you could do it and you probably, but it's not gonna be the I. Mean Fire Easier in my opinion. We need to chat train. Hundreds of thousands of contact tracers. And Also train them to give injections and assigned them. You've got the following three blocks every house here you go back over and over again until you get everyone in every house that we're going to bring a vaccine q. not the vaccine. I think it's going to be would be a very efficient way of getting people immunized here now an unrelated but related note. When do you think of action would be come available? The trials that are being anticipated now the big randomized safety and effectiveness. H is planning to start some on July six. Twenty thousand people to get a vaccine and ten thousand people to get a placebo, probably some other vaccine that's not related to covert Nineteen Matt meningococcus is one that talk about. Then you have to wait for those people to be exposed to the virus. And then see how many get actual disease. And how many don't you're also going to be monitoring them? Do they raise antibody fever? The something go wrong. What what side effects what side effects do they have correct? And then you have to test the now you know in in the normal world. Those tests typically take years now. We may have hot spots where we can really test this relatively quickly, but I think the original promise of. It's probably if you if you do it the proper way. That's probably into the spring. 'cause you're going have to go over the winter when you have a lot of outbreak. I will tell you that one of the things. I'm worried about is that we won't wait for that. Proper trial to be completed will rush. Ahead and we'll say listen. We're not seeing side effects in a few months We're seeing antibodies. Go Up, even though we don't know whether the antibodies are protective. Let's get this vaccine out under an emergency youth authorization in E. U. A. That doesn't say it's effective. That just says it might work. There's a reasonable chance it'll work. That is a very dangerous situation in my opinion, because we won't know, it's effective, and yet will be immunizing people and those people will wow all right. I've got the vaccine. I'm fine. and that I think behavior is the big problem with that I think behavior is a big problem with everything in related to infectious diseases, and we have to get people to it here. at stick to the good behavior until we're sure and the problem with an emergency use authorization. Is that It communicates the people. We've got to cover, and in fact we won't have covered, or we won't know if they'll have covered and that I think is a very dangerous situation where you, you think you're okay, but you're not by you. I mean that society. Right so along this line. You know your brother. Says never let a good crisis. Go to waste right. Do you see a positive outcome from all this? Trouble I think half the look at it in two or three ways, the first is we clearly have seen deficiencies in our healthcare system, and it does suggest that we need to fix. Big Parts of the system the CDC and the Public Health Response clearly need attention and rework. We need to change our health insurance system I. Think one of the things act come out of this. As people are feeling very insecure and we're GONNA have to fix that and make people feel more secure. They have health insurance, and they're not gonNA pay thousands and tens of thousands of dollars if they get sick, second unemployment is obviously not working in the situation. Lots of people who have been laid off are being covered by our unemployment insurance. We've made a small change in the cares act by extending to GIG workers and contractors. Contractors and self employed people, but that's not permanent, so we're GONNA have to make that permanent so I. Think there's a number of changes to our safety net that probably are gonNA. Come out of this with the next election, and I think that could be a big positive if we get those changes so a better public health system, universal health insurance and a better safety net that might be the silver lining to this or a disease and several hundred thousand people unfortunately dying, so if you were going to reopen for the benefit of employees and employers and the economy. What would you do? How would you go? Go about reopening things. The first thing you have to do is a half the knock down. The are not that's the rate of transmission to roughly point four, and we're not there and most places number less than one in fact less than half much less than one, because then you can really identify small outbreaks and contact racism and quash them and that. I think is going to be the key and we haven't. We haven't had the discipline in this country and I. Think it's a real problem because we haven't had a consistent lockdown across the country that drives the transmission down. You've seen it New Jersey and new. New York where they've really been able to. Because of the severe upswing, they've really been able to drive down and they stuck to the distancing, and that's going to be the key. You have to drive it down sufficiently low that all you have is a few outbreaks at really so press, so you would wanna lock everything down right now until we get this kind of pattern, we've seen in these big states back east I would have liked to have lockdown in mid March much more severely and nationally and that you know you're not the first person on this podcast to say Zeke I gotTa tell. You I'm sure. It bit just San Francisco or just You know Detroit Chicago. We needed it nationally and then ease up only when we're sure that the transmission rate is down to you know very low point four and we've got a good testing regime in place which we still don't, and we've got good contact tracing so that we can really jump on any case, and we have the ability to monitor people including people who have a lot of contact with others. We're not in that position. That's the place you WanNa be if in fact, we get a reprieve this summer. Bill the. The key thing to do this summer to make sure we have enough testing in place, and we've trained hundreds of thousand, two or three hundred thousand contacts I'm all for it seek, but is there any evidence that we're GonNa, get a reprieve the summer. The best evidence are maybe he does something. I don't put too much, but we're going to be outside. Where transmission goes down with had a lot of people adopt social behaviors at least in my neck of the woods of Washington. DC You do see people wearing masks much more consistently last night. I'm watching the TV and. People the police men and women are not wearing masks. If I may. As if I were younger I, would say dude like dude. To. Is really troubling. You guys. You're in the midst of this. If it's not just setting an example, it's keeping yourself safe. Agree just is something. I like to ask everybody if you were as I like to say King of the forest. What would you do? Is there a thing or their group of things that you do so? I think we need to have task force with. Authority and responsibility forget fixing the testing regime and really getting both. Antibody testing at home, not just the serology, but the antibody against cove against corona viral. You mean by serology. The Serum Serology is after you've been infected to confirm whether you've been affected that we have a lot of those tasks, but the FDA mated a wild west, so we don't so most of them don't work. In two chance what the HAT exactly? What do you do? It's not attached. It's exactly it's a flip of a quiet, and then you need antibodies against the corona virus, so you can have a quick rapid tasks like we do for pregnancy or malaria or strep throat so that in the fall we can do rapid on site testing for people going into classes. Ask people going to I'm going to school people going into various activities and we need. Hundreds of millions of those available these are the kind of things you would put in place. If you have thirty similarly, you would put into place. We're GONNA stay lockdown until we can be ready for this opening and you know this administration was told lots of times. OP EDS on TV, and they just have not been able to do it. You know this idea that the president over and over promised testing. We got it. Everyone's going to wants so tests will get it this you know here. We are three months later, and it's like nowhere close to a reality. It's a it's a terrible. What do you think the chances of things getting better by? January twentieth the inauguration day. I'm actually worried that it'll be worse than for because you'll have the winter, so I do. Think by the start of school it will be fine, and then I'm worried about October November when you're going to be inside and begin transmitting again, and maybe we'll have relaxed our social distancing, wearing our mask and all that other stuff. Again a lot of outdoor life is is probably good for reducing transmission. 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Chris Hayes on how the U.S. is on Italy's coronavirus trajectory

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Chris Hayes on how the U.S. is on Italy's coronavirus trajectory

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All in one more time simplisafe dot com slash A. L. L. I. N. Tonight on all in you'll see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now new alarm. America's top health official. We've got to assume that it's going to get worse. And worse and worse as the novel Corona Virus officially becomes a pandemic stock market. Collapses again large event cancellations continue and a major American city closes all public schools. The decisions we probably will be making in the upcoming days are going to be profoundly disturbing to a lot of the ways. We live our lives today tonight. New Calls for more dramatic action and what Americans can do to protect themselves as the president prepares to address the nation. If we get rid of the problem quickly everything we need sinuous all that and what we learned when Bernie Sanders finally addressed the media today and all ends starts right now. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. We are in the myths of global pandemic. That's been evident probably for weeks now but today. The World Health Organization officially declared Corona virus pandemic because of the widespread scale of the outbreak. Who has been working on this virus from the beginning? When it first broke out in Wuhan China they saw how it took down an entire cities healthcare system and resulted in over three thousand deaths in China. Who HAS BEEN WARNING ABOUT CORONA VIRUS FOR MONTHS? But they have been reluctant to make the pandemic declaration for fears of inciting panic until today when they decided that now is the time w this outbreak around the clock and we're deeply concerned by the alarming levels of spread and severity and by the Liberals in action alarming levels of inaction message. They're similar to that of Anthony. Fauci A guy who's run the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since nineteen eighty-four. He's worked under six. Presidents played a major pivotal role in reining in the AIDS crisis today. He testified before the House Oversight Committee and he was forthright and he was honest about what is coming at US right now. Unlike the president is the worst yet to come DR founded it is. Is there any chance that we will have a vaccine and a few months? I made myself clear in my statement that this is a really serious problem that we have to take seriously. I mean people always say well the flu. You know the flu. Does this the flu does that? The flu whereas the mortality of zero point one percent mortality of ten times that we would hope that as we get to warmer weather it would go down but we can't proceed under that assumption. We've gotTA assume that it's going to get worse and worse and worse doctor faustus testimony. Today was almost literally the exact opposite of what president trump and members of administration have been telling us for weeks and weeks. We finally got to hear a candidate version of the truth from genuine expert. Unedited here is where things stand right now. This exponential curve shows the growth of Corona virus cases outside of China. Right now there are nearly forty. Five thousand confirmed cases in the world outside of China where the outbreak appears to be under control. This is what the US curve looks like. Almost identical right looks a lot like the global curb we just saw in the US. Four weeks ago we had fifteen cases just over. We go to one hundred cases today we have over twelve hundred cases that number probably does not even capture the reality because our testing capacity is actually measuring the scope of the problem. What is clear is we are racing up this exponential curve at an almost similar rate to the countries that have gone before us. For instance Italy Italy right. Now is in the midst of a full-blown public health crisis. The country is completely unlocked down today. A new measure announced Italy announced. It will stop almost all commercial activity aside from supermarkets and pharmacies. Think about that for a second. Everything closed except for drug stores and Food Lee also announced today they now have twelve thousand cases and the total deaths in the country have increased to listen to this have increased over thirty percent in just twenty four hours six hundred and thirty one to eight hundred twenty seven thirty percent increase in fatalities in one day. This chart shows the GRAPPA growth of cases in Italy. Does that look familiar? It should you can also see how the US is right now. Following almost the exact same trajectory just a week behind now many if not most definitely are likely a direct result of what we have already seen with this virus in China the viruses overrunning the healthcare system capacity anywhere in the world at any given time in any given city. There is a fixed amount of doctors. Icu's beds ventilators the systemic risk the virus poses to everyone around the world right now including in the. Us is what is happening now. Initially doctors in that country are patients in hallways. Massive numbers of healthcare workers are infected. They are having to make were time. Triage decisions about who they can afford to treat. Atlanta reports remarkable document issued by an Italian medical college that recommends doctors allocate their stretch resources to patients with the highest chance of recovery. Italian doctors are being forced to decide who to save and who to let die. Tombo sir. Trump's former homeland security adviser told. Nbc News yesterday that we are ten days away from the hospitals getting creamed. We are now nine days away. That is where we are headed right now in this country the only thing we can do at this point as citizens as civil society because the testing has been screwed up inexcusably by the federal government is to take dramatic steps collectively to social distance ourselves to try and flatten the curve of this epidemic and slow the transmission of the virus in order to stop a run on our hospitals to protect vulnerable populations in our missed. That's older people. People with serious. Chronicle medical conditions like heart disease lung disease and diabetes. We all have people in our lives that are vulnerable to this. The clear steps to take are canceling. Large-scale events and reducing travel reducing. Going out even going to restaurants or events. We need to take this all deadly seriously. You can go read the warnings from Italians who said we did not take the seriously enough and now we're in it. That's their message to us. That message however is not being adequately communicated at all by the most powerful person in the country. Someone Louise hearing from later tonight. A man who insists on propagating disinformation and meeting with CEOS to discuss an economic problem. But the right message is being communicated by people administration like Dr Falcon by former trump administration officials like Tombo sir and former. Fdic achieved Scott Gottlieb but governors like Washington's Jay Inslee who today announced they are shutting down events over two hundred and fifty people. The reality is we have to take dramatic steps and we are only now at this late hour starting to see those steps and action for more on where we stand right now. Joined by. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel former Obama. White House Health Policy Advisor. He's Vice Provost Global Initiatives University of Pennsylvania and Dr Peter Hotels Dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine Doctor Manual. When we start with you. Where do you see us right now? Are we doing enough in terms of large scale social disruption and changes to slow the transmission of this epidemic? So first of all. I've been saying for several weeks now that it's going to get worse before it gets better. Parsley it's GonNa get worse because we have testing. That's just going to show us how prevalent the illness is. It's also getting worse because we know we have more community acquired infections as I mentioned to someone today. You know one week ago. We weren't even talking about new Rochelle and now new. Rochelle is a major topic in New York. And that's a lockdown and if we focus on new Rochelle without thinking about all the other places that this virus is maybe Washington. Dc maybe the suburbs of Baltimore. Who knows where the problem is? We need a more systematic less uneven response. That has to be pretty uniform. Because just 'cause we're seeing it new Rochelle doesn't mean Rochelle's the only place in New York that Scott and that response does have to include things like much more prevalent testing so we really have a handle on who's got it and who doesn't and a really good model is South Korea if you look at their trends you can see that. They're beginning to bend in South Korea. We also do need to inform people. We use the term social distancing like everyone knows what it means. It's not immediately obvious to people what that entails and how much you need to be separate from people explain to what should people know about but a large part of it. You people have come up with all these numbers no more than one hundred people to meet no more. The issue is density. How close are you to people? How easy is it for the droplets to spread? How much are you sort of packed in light sardines or not and that real? I mean that's a physical thing That is really important and I do think we probably need to educate people to minimize the. They're our contact and to stay home more. You can go out where there's no one else if you're going walking in the woods or something or going to a place where there are other people But I do think Restricting how we move around is going to be important I will note that not every but most of the Ivy League schools now for example colleges mine included. We're going online. The second half of the semester is all going to be online. Students aren't going to be in. Dormitories accepts students. That can go back to their home country and still complete the semester. So you are seeing a lot of action. But it's not concerted and that's what it's not systematic and that's what's bothering me Dr Hotels. We've been checking with you throughout the unfolding of the goal pandemic and I'm curious. Are we learning more about the virus itself about the basics about the transmission rate? Which seems to be maybe lower than at first. We thought the fatality rate the incubation period. Where is our knowledge right now about this so the transmission rate still seems to be? Pretty High Dr Fao. She mentioned. It's probably a significantly higher than the influenza as well as the mortality rate. But the you know just to echo and reinforce some of the things zeke Doctor Emmanuel was was saying we've learned a few things from a recent analysis. My colleague Mark Lipchitz sit at Harvard School of Public Health Chan School of Public Health together with a student a doctoral student. Ruan Lee didn't analysis of the Chinese cities in terms of how severe the epidemic is with the extreme example being Wuhan rare nine thousand people wound up in and severely ill with two thousand in the ICU versus city. Like Long Joe where there was only twenty a big difference right and it looked like it's primarily to do to how quickly you got on top of things after sustained community transmission started. So they let it go for six weeks. Before they implemented aggressive control and testing whereas in Guangzhou were the only at twenty cases one week. What's the lesson learned from the United States We're now about three weeks into this in terms of sustained community transmission. We had our first case of community transmission around the end of April so subtract a week before then. So we're getting to the point where because we're not doing adequate diagnostic testing and implementing those very important control measures. That seek pointed out. We're in a situation. Where we could risk being closer to Wuhan and Guangzhou and and we do we. We can't be there so now is a very critical period over the next couple of weeks where we have to be very aggressive about closing down major venues. We just this Houston. Today with the Rodeo was a tough decision but was the right decision that we're going to have to do this all over the country right now and the reason is this because if we miss that opportunity we then have. Our new problem becomes surge capacity hospitals. Where we're not gonNA have enough beds. We're not GONNA have enough into ventilators. We don't want to go in that direction. So now's now czar. Big Schnauzer going to be our last chance. We've already missed that in over the last few weeks. Can I reemphasize something? Peter says which is so in the entire United States. We have about eight hundred thousand hospital beds a little under eight hundred thousand hospital beds. In the entire United States we have under seventy thousand adult intensive care unit. Beds we have about sixty five thousand ventilators with the strategic supply. I've heard that it goes up slightly under one hundred thousand. That's our maximum capacity in the country at the moment if you imagine that even two percent of the population gets the corona virus and we have about six percent who are seriously. Ill GonNa need a respirator. We've exhausted all that supply. Just for those patients. Forget the heart attack patients. Forget the patients who need it for any other reason and I think what Peter said is exactly right we probably have missed two or three turns over the last few weeks where we could have gotten things down and just focusing on the hot spots. Seattle New Rochelle. I think is not. We need a much more systematic countrywide approach so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system. Which already you know doesn't have that much search capacity in it. Dr Hotels Final Point to you for people that are watching this I. I've struggled with this for the last three weeks right. Communicating in a way that does not induce catastrophe or panic but also is clear eyed about the risks. And I do think it's worth just going back to the distinction between your individual risk you random American one of three hundred thirty million that you will get very sick and need to be hospitalized or may as life threatening illnesses that individual risk for any given random person is probably low in the grand scheme of things and this systemic risk to the society and to the healthcare system which is extremely high at this moment. Is that a fair way of phrasing. It yeah absolutely and also remember. It's it's all about communicating. What our top priorities are in. This is what I've been disappointed about. We've lost a lot of time because of a blanket statements that are not backed by data saying this is contained. This is this is the cold. This is the flu when in fact we know that there are specific groups that are at high risk including older older individuals those with underlying disabilities and our healthcare workers. And so what I've been looking for is at the White House. Press briefings to say. Look these are four. Bit Concerns Right. These are three or four populations That were concerned about This is a why we need to get on top of this very quickly. And here's what we're doing about it and and historically the American people have responded very well to this They understood this three. Bola Zeka as we say. This is not our first Rodeo so so we know how to respond and we just need that clear kind of concise messaging right now. All right. Just had one thing to Chris. Point which is we also do know the ass for any individual. The risk is low except we do know that there are certain people and Peter Emphasize of those who are over sixty or sixty five those who have chronic illness. They are at high risk and what we have done in. This country is aggregate them in nursing homes. Those are most vulnerable people people in nursing and we really have to social distance. There reduced the number of visitors. Probably two zero. Make sure that people are counting up and taking a donning protective equipment so that we don't have that Patriot play just explode with corona virus like it did in Seattle because almost every one of them is really on the verge just like the cruise ships. Good Point -portant point Zeki Manual. Dr Peter Hotels. Thank you both. Next from public school closing the cancellation large events. How Civic Society? Local governments are leading with the Federal. Government is not in two minutes. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wisest happening. I'll be talking with writer and author Adam Higginbotham on his book midnight in Chernobyl ultimately what happened is they got used to doing these things that the regulations said that you should not do. But at the same time they were given these ridiculous deadlines that are given these extraordinary production quotas so something had to give on. This was typical throughout the Soviet workplace. And so they ended up doing these things that were dangerous. They were lulled into a false sense of security that they could get away with pushing this reactor round on it would kind of take any punishment and then one day you know turn round and bid them. That's this week. I'm why is this happening? Search is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe Paolino listeners. It's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into American now released episode Republican. John and Longtime Senator Lindsey. Graham is for the first time ever facing a real challenge to the Senate seat can a relative newcomer to the scene. A Black Democrat in win. This fight I hate to South Carolina to find out search for into America wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. There is a very successful effort that we can take to slow the spread of this disease and that's to reduce the social interactions. That are not necessary in our lives. This is an effective tactic. It is at hand. All it requires is the will of active people to follow science and confidence that we're all in this together and that's why we're taking these steps governor Jay Inslee of Washington early today right now. He's he's managing the worst corona virus outbreak in the country that included him announcing today they are banning events of more than two hundred and fifty people in the three counties. Hardest hit by the virus live in country obviously with freedom assembly. So it's no small thing for the governor state to say we don't want to have more than two hundred and fifty people together that is one of a cascading list of decisions by local and state leaders at an order for us to slow the transmission of the virus. We need to take very big dramatic steps to limit public gatherings enormous music festival. Coachella been postponed until October south by southwest and Austin was cancelled that house and the Senate or stopping tours of the Capitol Television shows such as embassies. The tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon late night admires. Hpl's last week tonight which on all over the ABC's the view. They are all being shot without audiences. The Golden State Warriors Basketball Team decided to play last night's game with in attendance even though city officials not to but now it's no longer choice following an order from the mayor of San Francisco and city. Health officials gatherings with more than thousand people are now prohibited. So tomorrow night's game will be played without fans just hours ago. It was announced that the entire NCAA tournament March madness will be played without fans. This is happening all around the world in Italy as I said earlier. All stores commercial activity except for pharmacies and food marks markets are now being mandated shutdown. Ireland canceled their Saint Patrick's Day parade. The entire nation of Denmark is closing all schools and universities yesterday. Major soccer game was played in Spain to an empty stadium normally filled with thousands of people. This is happening everywhere and it goes to show just how serious this virus is. There's a lot that goes into how these decisions are made tonight. I have to people who've inside view that process Gavin Yami. He's professor of Global Health and public policy do diversity and Robert Reich former Labor secretary and author of the system who and how we fix it. GotTa let me start with you. You know it struck me today. As I watched what played out with the Golden State Warriors in which the city officials said. Don't play the fans. They went ahead and did it. Anyway in the city officials mandated that it's probably important a combination of sort of urging private associations not to view and policymakers just taking the decision out of people's hands. How do you think about that balance here? I think that's right Chris. I mean if you look at some of the countries that have managed to bring the outbreak under control. They're not out of the woods yet for sure but countries like South Korea Taiwan Hong Kong. They seem to have got the balance right. Obviously they have been very aggressive about social distancing and and they have combined that with really smart public health policies. They've been aggressive in testing people. They've been very innovative in finding ways to reach people. You may have seen the photos of south South Korea with the mass drive through testing sites. Those are free. They're reaching a huge number of people and they've had other innovations they've been using. Gps for example for contact tracing. That is where if someone is infected. You trace all of the other people who may have come into contact with. They've been sending out text alerts when it is apparent that corona virus has reached a particular neighborhood. They've had so many innovative public health policies that they have now started to see a falling number of new cases. Which is really what you want to see. Even travelers who are who are entering South Korea. They are asked to download an APP and then each day monitor their own symptoms on that at and they're testing huge numbers of people. Chris I mean we have an even tested. Ten thousand people yet says the. Cdc South Korea is on average testing twelve to fifteen thousand per day. And they say they've got the capacity to test twenty thousand. So you know as Dr Houghton bears and Zeke Emanuel said. We are really not where we should be at this point in our outbreak. Robert the local governments Jane's Inslee or mayors or county officials right or governors. Everybody is balancing this. This question their mind. They do not want to create economic harm for their constituents. They don't want to cancel big events and not just because you don't want to tick off an MBA owner. There's tons of people that sell concessions there that work in in low wage jobs or contract jobs. That are GONNA be hurt by that. It seems to me that one part of this has to be enormous public policy on the stimulus side to safeguard people's economic disruption particularly the people at the bottom of the economic pyramid. Absolutely Chris and we don't have in this country and let's face it. We do not have a public health system that is geared toward helping people stay home from work. I mean we don't have paid sick. Leave if you want to get a test for the corona virus. It's going to cost you if you don't have insurance. Health Insurance and remember thirty million. Americans don't have health insurance. It's GONNA cost you at least sixteen hundred dollars. Personally I mean instead of making these tests free or mandatory we do exactly the opposite Unemployment insurance in this country. I if you lose your job or if you have to stay home. You can't work. Unemployment Insurance Reaches twenty-seven percent of people who don't have jobs were not working. I mean the the entire system of public health and a kind of social safety net is not in place here to handle the kinds of burdens. That we all are going to have to face. I just wanted to just to be clear. There have been some decreased by local officials Washington State. I believe I know here in New York City that people can get tested for free if they don't have health insurance just in case anyone's watching this and I don't want anyone discouraged from cost because I do think there will be ways around that in the future particularly in these localities which is not to say it's not happening. It does strike me though the biggest obstacle right now just to return to what you were saying before Gavin and I want to get back to economic question is the text. The testing bottleneck is enormous. And he doesn't seem to be getting better. I've read accounts today about actual issues with just the supply chain sort of machinery and ways in which testing works is bottleneck right now. So it's not getting out to point of care. Is that your understanding right now. That's absolutely right Chris. We were very very slow to scale up testing. I mean that's been well documented now. We had a faulty test kit. We were very slow. The federal level to get tests out to where they were needed. The test had to be approved by the CDC so you actually had local officials who are hamstrung when they really should have been supported and so people with symptoms who who had the corona virus were not being tested even had health workers with symptoms who are not being tested and so the races are now to try and scale up tests. You may have also seen the news that the Gates Foundation is trying to fund the rapid development of a self test. We have so many bottlenecks. That is one Robert Reich pointed to another and that is that we have a healthcare system that is a patchwork with giant holes. Yes and and you know. We've Seen Cases Man in Miami Osmond Martinez as Q. He returned from China with symptoms. He did the right thing. He went to the hospital to get tested and he was landed with a bill for three thousand. Two hundred and seventy dollars. Now the insurer said will pay some of it but he was still left with a fourteen hundred dollars out of pocket fee even Republicans right now to their credit. Ah GOING ON TV saying. Let's make this test freely available. It is a barrier. It isn't the only barrier I would say that you know. The response is going to require universal health coverage insurance for all. It's going to require very strong public health measures. It's going to require social distancing aggressive contact tracing and then there's an element of this response. That doesn't get very much attention. I lead a center at Duke University. The central policy impacting global health. And for many years. We've been talking about how actually there's a whole set of global activities that need to highland. We need we need things like surge capacity. We need to be able to manufacture quickly medicines. We need to manufacture personal protective equipment for doctor. The nurses we need to be able to surge health workers. Equally as you know is facing enormous shortage of health workers. We need if you like a kind of a global tough force that could be you know a mobilized. Let me just end with you on this sort of economic. Obviously you're identifying huge holes in the social safety net better the status quo right now though we need policy focus on things that can be done for people now right. So what do you see? Is the sort of priorities there. Well I think it's paid sick. Leave for example. Chris I mean this afternoon. I'd the Senate. Republicans bottled up rejected a bill that would provide and mandate paid sick. Leave you know every single. I mean only forty. Five percents of workers in fast food and in the restaurant industry get paid sick leave. It means that they have got to stay on the job many of them even when they're sick. I mean at the very least we ought to require that hotel that hospitals Take these people in That there be no payments for chests and also that restaurants and fast food Age of places post a whether they whether they provide their workers with well paid sick. Leave if they don't Customers ought to know that I'm going to be speaking to a house. Democrat later in the show. I think paid sick leave is GonNa be part of the House Democrat package. Gaven me and Robert Rice. Thank you both appreciate it. Thanks very much for coming up. Trump officials cut their testimony kroner buyers brief hearing because of an emergency the White House Congresswoman Katie was at that hearing today. We'll talk about what happened next. We aren't the ones that called the alarm being raised about this pandemic as fake news that came out of the president of the United States about and no gas lighting is a high that House Oversight Committee held a hearing today on the federal response to Corona virus. Were Dr Anthony. Fauci the head of the National Institute Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Delivered a serious warning. The worst of the pandemic is yet to come. The testimony however was cut short ending an hour and a half earlier than planned. Because president trump summoned the witnesses to what chairwoman Carolyn Maloney called equal emergency meeting at the White House or the members of that committee who has denied her opportunity to question. America's top public health officials Congressman Katie. Puerto of California. Who JOINS ME? Now I let me just start on that. Do you have a clear understanding of what happened this morning? And why that Oversight Committee hearing was cut short. We were simply told that there was a meeting that they were required to attend at the White House. We do understand that the witnesses will be present again tomorrow They believe eleven. Am for the hearing to continue. And I'm looking forward to questioning them and continuing to press them on the administration's response out that type two concerns. One of them has to do with what we're just speaking out in previous segment about cost in a letter that you wrote to Alexander among others it is critical that any cost barrier limits cove in nineteen diagnostics testing be removed so those who may be infected not forgo testing because of cost concerns. Is there currently any national policy or mandate that says anyone who is tested can do it for free? I'm really glad you're asking about this. Because this is exactly what I'm going to be tackling with the witnesses tomorrow at the hearing so I don't think I've known for tipping my hand to the witnesses but I really want to. I really want them to get this answer right when I put them to them tomorrow. At the hearing there is an existing regulation already in. Us Law that provides during a public health emergency that the CDC can pay for treatment examination and testing all of those things. And so that's that's already in our Federal Regulations. That's already one of the tools that has been at the disposal of the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC this entire time. So I'm going to call them tomorrow publicly to make sure that testing and treatment is free and the insurers pay their portion but the American families are not left that no American is left paying out of pocket or deterred from getting testing or treatment because of cost barriers. We have been trying in our own reporting and I know other sort of crackdown. What has happened with testing and the bottlenecks in it and the lack of capacity. I know it's a concern you have do. You have a clear idea. Is there. Good communication with the White House. About what exactly the precise status of it is and what the obstacles to scaling up our. There's actually been a real gap between what we here at these. Where have now become weekly coronavirus briefings and then what we hear when we go home and talk to families and constituents. I'll I had a telephone call this week. A conference call with hospitals in my area They were all expressing that they don't necessarily have access to testing if they are sending testing in. It's taking days and days to get responses One of the things that were exploring is there's a CRA multiple failures in this testing process. One of them is not enough. Swab kits not enough kits disseminated to the right locations in quickly enough but one of the things that we do potentially have at. Our disposal is a lot of our research. Labs use the same equipment to do testing that is currently used in the clinical healthcare setting. So it may be possible to use some of those research laboratories at universities for example to do some of the clinical testing but there's a process and some administrative barriers to getting through that. And so I'm interested in continuing to explore. How can we bring existing resources to bear on this problem quickly? Final question for you. You're you're a member of the Democratic Caucus. It appears that some kind of stimulus package is going to be unveiled tomorrow by Democratic leadership. That's the indication we have. You have a sense of that or do you. At least have your principles and priorities from what you want to see out of a package tomorrow. Absolutely I'm going to be looking for something that's going to be putting families first. That's going to be prioritizing public health commitments. The House already passed a bill last week. Eight point three billion. Those were the things that Dr Chee in particular who I think has been the most reliable Administration official in terms of understanding really the science behind. This and what we can do to save lives. We already did that last week this week. We're looking to focus on understanding and protecting families who may be. I'm not able to get meals Dealing with transportation or school closures. Trying to make sure that we're putting families I in this. This is not the time to be. The stock market will stabilize when families are stabilized. When health conditions stabilize the market will respond. So I'm disappointed that we have a president who thinking more about the interests of special interests and big corporations that he is about the healthcare and life and death situation of American families Congresswoman Katie Porter of California as always. Thank you so much just ahead what we learn when Bernie. Sanders broke his silence after another rough primary night last night and how the campaign may have changed today right after this today I say to the Democratic Establishment in order to win in the future. You need to win the voters who represent the future of our country and you must speak to the issues of concern to them. You cannot simply be satisfied by winning the votes of people who are older after choosing not to speak last night falling very disappointing primary showing which left him. Nearly one hundred and fifty delegates behind Joe Biden Bernie. Sanders came out today and struck a really interesting note about staying in the presidential race. His address was focused on the policy priorities of his campaign and his movement particularly noted there the backers of those who are younger than forty which he won overwhelmingly but it was not a particularly defiant shot across the bow at Biden. But it sounds like to me. Was someone trying to figure out how to bring these coalitions together to talk more about this. I'm joined by Mehdi. Hassan columnist the intercept host the deconstructed podcast and Brittany Picnic. Cunningham Co host of pod save the people and a former member of President Obama's taskforce on twentieth century policing Brittany. Let me start with you. What was what was your sense of. The combination of last night's Biden. Victory the Biden speech which also was fairly olive branchy about Bernie Sanders and Sanders speech. Today I think that this is an acknowledgement that the power has and always will belong to the people that when it comes down to November. We need folks all across the left to show up. We need young folks. We need older folks. We need people in between meaning people of all races and in order to Donald Trump that coalition is going to have to come out in droves. So both of these candidates respect recognized rather that they have to bring their their groups together to get that done and it's a message frankly that. I respect look progressive. Policies are always more important than any single politician. I Hear Bernie. Sanders is saying he's GonNa Push Joe Biden on that on the debate stage to make sure that those policies have in place in the White House even if Bernie Sanders doesn't matter. It was interesting. He talked about the debate on Sunday. Night it will be the first one on one to eight. He was very clear that he will be there. It'll be done with no audience for for reasons of the corona virus but he was very specific about what he's going to push him on sort of focusing on what the priorities of the Sanders Campaign. Has Been Yup. There's no Gotcha is coming from buddies. He literally said it camera. This is what I'm GonNa ask you. Joe Climate Change Inequality Healthcare Racist criminal justice system billionaires and big money in politics. He laid it all out. These are the issues we know that by Nissan does cares about has campaigned. Tirelessly on visas. And I think-i down knows. He caught wind so he wants to see. Can you get Joe Biden to move? Which from a Democratic Party perspective I get. The logic of Bernie doesn't want to go in there and going to cripple Biden kneecap him and be blamed for Biden going into a general election week and provide attack lines with the trump campaign on the other hand. You know from an outside perspective just looking at it from a political point of view the Democratic Party going to be nominating Joe Biden. Who's going to be going into a general election against DONALD TRUMP? Perhaps the most ruthless amoral person to ever run for president and he won't have actually done a debate. A proper debate what we would call one on one. You know test strips. Each out of each other be held to account kind of debate on Sunday. It's going to be two guys sitting at a table chatting about policy in an empty room which is great. But it's not quite Elizabeth Warren tearing apart Michael Bloomberg and I think that's a mistake for Democrats. I think sending Biden into a general election where he hasn't been vetted on a bunch of issues that trump is going to come after him on even from the left. I think is a mistake just from a political point a strategic one of you what do you think? Bernie. I think that there's a very good point there made especially if we're talking about exciting young voters new voters. Look we understand that trump gets the power of entertainment? Here's a reality TV STAR. And whether or not the policy is sound whether or not even his tweets or sound. He's going to get out there and make sure that people are entertained and so unfortunately Democrats have to decide how they are going to come up against that and try to beat someone who's who's power is not actually in policy but in television land so far Medea it seemed to the biden value proposition. Here is like divide all that return to normalcy all those things. He obviously has some vulnerabilities. I think you're you're right right in his record. That trump is already going to attack them on particularly shamelessly on things like from the left and the right at the same time but I do think there's a dynamic here that that is important. I want to hear what you know what happened. In Two thousand sixteen was that Clinton won a bunch of early stage not the earliest. But there was a there was a period there where she built a delegate lead and then there was kind of a long and bloody contest between the two of them in which actually the national polling converse. Sanders actually got more popular than Clinton less so and sort of limped across the finish line. A little bit left a lot of bad taste in of people's mouths. That's not what we're seeing here. I mean when you look at the Democratic primary voters in the last two election nights. They've been pretty clear about where they are on this race. But don't forget also Bernie Sanders wasn't really a fan of Hillary Clinton personally and he is very good friends with Joe Biden and we're seeing buzzfeed reporting out today suggest that Saunders is team basically implored him to go off to Joe Biden on the debate stage harder and he didn't WanNa do it because he when he says my friend Joe he actually means it so what he says. My friend Joe Iraq wrong. He says kind of jovial way doesn't say that Joe Biden your blood on your hands like someone else say if they were debating. Donald Trump might say he doesn't I think I think both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren made a mistake in not going off to Joe Biden. Soulful record over the last year Biden hasn't really been vetted got hide amongst ten twelve candidates. If he's a candidate now find people. Keep telling me on twitter. Stop Criticizing Biden. You'll doing trump's work. Well trump to the need to go to Joe Biden. I just find it happened. We Hillary Clin to wear remember Bernie on the debate stage at Hillary. Nobody gives a damn about your emails turns out sadly they did and she should have had a better defensive. Maybe she would have done. Had they engage in the primaries they all going to go off the bye over his age and his coherence and is Iraq war vote and his bankruptcy bill and his crime bill. It's good it's good. If you have some defenses now many has gone and Brittany Pack Nick Cunningham. Thank you so much for making time tonight. Don't go anywhere I'll talk with Rachel maddow. But what to expect from the president's address just ahead the president will be addressing the country from the Oval Office tonight nine pm just minutes from now. He of course has spent the entire crisis spreading disinformation about the corona virus. He keeps comparing it to the flu. It is not like the flu in fact just today. Dr Anthony FAUCI member of his Corona Virus Task Force. Said that is a terrible way to think about it. The president also said that cases are maybe going to go down close to zero disappear like a miracle. He was focusing on industries that are affected instead of people that are affected in fact today. He spent the day meeting with bank. Ceo's because he is so manifestly obsessed with economic effects as opposed to the public health crisis and knowing this knowing his track record. It's arguably dangerous that the President United States is going to nation live. We don't know what he's going to say. We can only hope hope that it's progress. That's been vetted and that it's truthful and forthcoming about the actual reality but before you listen to the president who keeps saying it's the flu. It might go away. I want you to hear the voice of an actual expert who spoke with candor about the corona virus and the stakes ahead of us. So I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now. How much worse will get will depend on our ability to do two things to contain the influx of people who are infected coming from the outside and the ability to contain and mitigate within our own country. Bottom line it's going to get worse. People always say well the flu. The flu does this fluid does that. The flu has a mortality of zero point. One percent mortality of ten times that this is ten times that we're going to carry the presence address tonight but it is important to save at this point. He's given us no reason to believe anything he has to say about the seriousness of this pandemic frankly so in the commercial break. I'm going to run down a flight of stairs along hallway to be on set with my colleague. Romeo before and after the president's address I'll see you downstairs right after this if we are complacent and don't do really aggressive containment and mitigation. The number could go way up and be involved in many many millions even in areas of the country where there are no or few cases. We've got to change behavior. We have to essentially assume that we are going to get hit. We are now about five minutes away from President. Donald Trump's address the nation on the corona virus pandemic joined now by friend and colleague tomato host of the Rachel maddow show. It's good to be with you. I was going to be here too. I I feel anxiety about the president's address because there's been sort of twin tracks of missteps and failures here. There's been substantive failures on testing on planning on all that and then there's just been agreed justice information shared by the president that is quite literally harmful for public health response. Yeah well as you mentioned right before the break. The president has quite openly sort of portrayed. His real concerns about this. He talked about not wanting to allow Americans onto American soil off of a cruise ship because he thought that might raise the numbers. And that would look bad for the country. Said I don't need the numbers to go. I don't need the numbers to go up. Talk about the fact that he has expressed real concerns about industries. That might be hurt by this as if these industries are being hurt for a reason. That's nothing to do with people who are also being hurt by it. And so I mean him. Choosing to make an Oval Office address on this subject I feel like in. The abstract is very good but I think you're right to be concerned about what he's doing. There seems to be You just spoke to this. The misunderstanding of the symptom and the cause here. Which is he thinks. The problem is the economy. He's been very clear about that even if you look at how. He's spending his time. He's meeting with drug manufacturers meeting with airline. Ceo's then he's meeting today with banged he's coming out he's talking about the stimulus came out and said we're I'm going to be talking about a payroll tax cut and I've talked to people on Wall and be financial sector. They understand that the thing that's causing all this is the pandemic right. That's the thing that has to be attacked. The economy has to be dealt with with some sort of stimulus. But that will work itself out if you get the public health park right right. There isn't a malfunction in the markets. That's misreading exact. Even the economic impact of the viral. It's going to be enormous. We started more than we are. Remember talking about I did the bid on the show that I actually don't think work doesn't matter of television at all but it stuck in my brain which was like. Oh the Frankfort airport in Germany. Which is a big airport right? Fourteenth biggest in the world or something. They've had a hiring freeze and they're telling people they can take unpaid leave and Lufthansa. It was the main carrier. There has started cancelling flights and is grounding some of their aircraft. And it was like Oh right. They wouldn't be doing that because they're watching the markets they'd be doing that because they're watching the real world impact of people no longer moving freely about the planet because of rational concerns about this epidemic which is a real thing. He's reading the market as some sort of distortion. Yes rather than being a real reflection of the car. And when I think is not sunk in because I think the people the top have not communicated it adequately up to the president is that we are looking at genuine social disruption at a very large scale two weeks ago more than two weeks ago Dr Massoni in the CDC gave up. You did great coverage of this. It was a telephone briefing. It was very early. There had been at that point. I think a case or two of community and she said prepare for significant disruption. She's had talked your schools and this was two weeks ago where people thought. What are you talking about? I remember being shocked by that. She said I today called the Superintendent of my children's schools and ask what the plan was. I mean that's a serious thing to model as behavior for the American Public. But of course we're there now and not only were there. We are there without the psychological tools provided for it. I mean we have when you look at other places like South Korea when you look at China right was a very different society from ours and a very different government for Mars. It is a much more collectivist society because the structure of the authoritarian Maoist government. They had for years but we are going to have to engage in a kind of Social Solidarity Victory Gardens. Were bonds like that kind of thing is what we're headed into like. We're all in this together and we're going to have significant disruptions to our daily lives altogether and try to look out for each other at the policy level and at the individual and health level. So that we can get through this together. That's the message that we need right now and togetherness and so she saw already is not the register which the president excels the though declaration by the. Who today that. This is a global pandemic on the one hand to most people care about the difference between epidemic and pandemic no bad They both would be excellent. Titles for horror movies right but the that they're calling it a pandemic means it's everywhere which means you should no longer think about protecting yourself and managing the response in your country by excluding your from other places that are the real source of the infection. Now it is everywhere and so there's no sidelines anymore. And that I mean that is a psych. It's a psychological shift that they are asking for from leaders as well as from us. But it's deep stuff. I don't have a lot of faith in this president. Handle things at that level. I think the most promising signs or things we're seeing from local levels and civil society. Yeah state and local governments doing this without guidance from the federal government in terms of one stuff should be shutdown. 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Morning Joe 6/9/20

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Morning Joe 6/9/20

"Good Morning Gaz men good morning to all of you. Welcome to morning Joe. It is Tuesday June. Ninth Joe and Meka are off this morning with us to kick things off for these three hours. Professor at Princeton University, any glove, junior and previously mentioned co host of Morning Joe. I look he has Masugi in. Is here as well guys? Thanks for being with me this morning. Obviously a lot to get to. It's now been just over two weeks since the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis and nationwide protests against police violence, showing no sign of slowing down in southern California yesterday, a number of processions led by hearses met in an intersection Los. Angeles for a memorial service where thousands gathered. In Portland Oregon demonstrators shut down an interstate as part of peaceful protests Portland's chief of police, stepping down yesterday announcing, she has asked an African American lieutenant to replace her. Just outside the White House protesters have turned the mass of fence around Lafayette Park into a living memorial with hundreds of signs and works of art. This all comes as former Minneapolis police officer Derek Jovan who is charged with murder in the death of George Floyd made his first court appearance yesterday. The judge granted the Prosecution's request for a one point, two five million dollar, unconditional bail and Yasmin all this now set against the backdrop today of the private funeral for George Floyd, and the laying to rest of a man who was killed now fifteen days ago in Minneapolis. Yeah I mean so many people commemorating his life across this country right now. The private funeral as you mentioned Willie for George Floyd. Being held in his native. Today, but before he is laid to rest, thousands joined his family yesterday to pay their final respects at a public viewing in this city Floyd's casket arrived at Fountain of Phrase Church where mourners braved ninety degree heat. To weed outside before coming in for their personal tributes, well, wishers, wearing masks as a precaution against the coronavirus, filed into two lines, as ushers directed them to Floyd's gold colored casket. Where they said their goodbyes according to the church administrator by five thirty PM more than six thousand people had come to honor George. Floyd including Texas Governor Greg Abbott Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner former Vice President Joe Biden who is pictured here with Floyd's uncle Roger Floyd the family's attorney Benjamin. crump Congressman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana and the Reverend Al Sharpton after a private meeting. With Floyd, family trump tweeted that the meeting lasted for more than an hour during which biden quote listened. Heard their pain. And shared in their wo- Following the public viewing Floyd's high school community held a vigil in his honor or Floyd's brothers spoke to the crowd of attendees. Really love. This support. Anywhere in the world, but John Right now. This is a Blazin. EARN. Right now. We've. Everybody, for being afraid of the police. We have good police Bowie Alabama police. Case him out, so we gotta figure it out right now. Eddie six thousand people stood in the ninety three degree heat yesterday for the viewing of George Floyd's body. There in Houston today we'll be the private services. Yasmine just told us, but you can't help. But be struck and be somewhat in awe of the crowds that continue to pour in the streets every single day. This is now two weeks of this, and it appears the enthusiasm the passion, the fear, the anxiety anger pent up over generations is not going to EB anytime soon. You, know Willie I think that's absolutely right When I looked at the our viewing, it reminds me of Emmett till and his mother Mamie till and how important. Her open casket of viewing was for the civil rights movement. Transformed Generation, at radicalized. Everywhere near black folk to step out and fight and fight for their own freedom by full citizenship, and here we have six thousand people a bearing, ninety-three humid ninety degree humid heat, in Houston To view the coffin of George, Lloyd and that happens against the backdrop of ongoing protests around the country. And so what we what? What politicians should take note of is that? This was not a flash in the PAN. This was an actual this moment. Right is a moment to fundamentally transform how we police in this country, and they need to address it, but substance and not just simply symbol. So Eddie you saw the image yesterday of Democratic Congressional leaders led by Nancy Pelosi taking a knee for eight and forty six seconds. Democrats put out a new proposal about policing in this country. The president is said to be considering some parts of it. Do you see a government? Now? That is standing up to meet the demands of those people in the streets in a way that perhaps we didn't see after Ferguson for example, or we didn't see after Eric Garner where there was passionate anger for a while, and then the country's sort of moved on. We are in this moment still now two weeks later, and we're seeing now. Some legislative steps being taken as well. Two thousand fourteen was an interesting moment we saw Ferguson the intensity of the Ferguson. Protests. We saw a lot of young people. Put their lives on the line. Nothing much changed after that. In some ways. The biggest change was the election of two thousand sixteen when the country decided to put Donald Trump in the White House. In this moment I think the frustrations around two thousand fourteen, the fact that that generation who came of age with Obama in the white. House, they're now twenty two twenty three years old. They're now in the streets and interesting sorts of ways. They're going to demand. Change, they're going to continue to push for change because they've been some ways. Come of age in a moment of ongoing catastrophes, so I think there is an opportunity for a significant shift, but we're going to see it happening more so at the local level at the state level. because. It seems that in Washington DC. Substantive change has been gummed up bipartisanship by deep device. It partisanship will. Yeah. That's right. You have a democratic house. We'll see how this flies in the Republican controlled Senate and of course in the White House. We should point out that Craig Melvin will lead our special coverage here on Msnbc of George Floyd's funeral in Houston, that's Today at eleven am Eastern. Right here on MSNBC and just a few hours among the proposals in the democratic legislation. No choke colds. Colds, body cameras for all police officers, but one flashpoint in the country, and within the Democratic Party has been this idea of defunding the police Joe Biden. Top Democrats on the hill are pushing back on calls from progressive activists to de-fund the police. The president and his allies now are using the Movement to Democrats as soft on crime, but here is the presumptive nominee again explaining his opposition. You support defunding the police. No I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency honorable, and when fact are able to demonstrate, they can protect the community and everybody in the community. Multiple sources telling politico that majority whip Jim. Clyburn of South Carolina told Democrats private call to avoid being drawn into the debate over defunding the police. So Eddie this discussion. Obviously progressive activists have been talking about. The police it's become something of a semantic argument about what that means exactly, but when you look for example at the Minneapolis City Council, vote, they said explicitly we went to dismantle the police department, so we're not talking about just rerouting funds to social programs, but in fact dismantling the police department is this a dangerous place for the Democratic Party to be when they have public opinion on their side right now when they have all the energy and the streets to be talking about taking money away from the police entirely. It can be politically willie, but it also reveals that we are just simply in the eye of the storm that the divisions in the country are going to be made manifest as we continue to try to imagine a new America. Let's be clear. We have examples of disbanding police department one just recently in two thousand seventeen in Camden, new, Jersey and we have reports even in the New York. Times about the way in which that move has impacted the the notion of public safety, the experience of public safety in that city that that very troubled city in some ways and what's troubling about Joe Biden's response imply response is that they're not dealing with the substance of the claim. They're just thinking about the politics and the optics right. It seems to me. That bike needs to be very very clear that what defunding is all about is kind of reinvestment, the justice reinvestment movement redirecting funds right to. To think about police policing in the context of tough on crime police in the context of the war on drugs has led to an explosion budgets, fifty four percent of the budget in Los Angeles sixty percent of her, but you know we can go on and on right, but what we think about public safety in a different way, not within the context of the war on drugs or tough on crime or the criminalization of a particular set of communities when we begin to think of public safety more broadly, we want to reinvest those monies in education, mental health right in social work in a range of in housing and range of policies that are not. Funded in to say the same level, and that seems to be something that Joe Biden should should embrace, so he might want to distance himself from the slogan, but he shouldn't distance himself from the substance of the policy. It seems to me. Any Interest Eddie. It's interesting you bring up a budgeting. Ending in twenty, nine hundred over a five year span, forty billion dollars, going to the NYPD, six billion and seven billion dollars respectively, going to homelessness and Housing Development So. You think about that comparison within the New York Police Department, and why so many folks are in the streets? You're asking for defunding reallocating funds at least here in New York. But you also have a lot of folks saying look defunding the police is not going to necessarily achieve what protesters want last night Philip and Tiba Golf, a professor and policing an equity at the John Jay. College of Criminal Justice spoke to Rachel maddow about the idea behind plans to dismantle the police departments and explains why simply defunding them would not produce the results. Many protesters are calling for this. Really, what we're seeing now is people moving towards the sides of abolition. It's it's actually about not having no police by making sure again that communities have the resources so that you can have less of a footprint of police. Right, so give you an example. Lots of people have been asking me for the last couple of days. If we define the police, what happens when you call nine one one and when I say back is well, if something's on fire, what number do you call, but you call nine one one who shows up? It's it's the ambulance. Sorry, it's the fire truck. And if somebody's having a heart attack. You call nine one one and the MT shows up, so we already have nine one one giving lacson different emergency services imagine what would happen if when someone was overdosing or when a couple having a disagreement that they didn't know how to resolve or when a kid wasn't feeling safe right? If you could call mental health resources, child protective resources, substance abuse resources if the resources that folks needed, so they didn't need to rely on law enforcement were there. Nine. One had more options. Community would feel safer and you wouldn't be introducing a badge and a gun situations that law enforcement can never be trained to manage in the first place, and that they've been calling to get out of the business of for years. That's what the majority of protesters and activists I talked to say that they want. They want more options for nine one one. They want more. More resources for communities, so communities make the decision about when something has gotten violent that a badge and a gun is appropriate. If you defined the police department and take away fifty percent of the personnel, right which I'm hearing, people say just slash it fifty percent out. There is no union contract in the United States that says that says anything other than last in. First out. That means if you're trying to cut it, you're actually getting rid of the youngest officers who are also the most progressive, also the most interested in culture change. That's not the department that protesters asking for right so if you don't end up. Roadmap and looking for ways to cut the right officers and the right programs. You'RE GONNA end up with with tragedy in black communities. So. That's very well explained in. Well, said I think people in America are on the side of police reform. If you look at the polling especially now, but when they hear that we're de-fund, which literally means to take funding away from the police. They think you're getting rid of the Police Department that can New Jersey example that's been raised a lot in his very interesting. Is a little more complicated because they got county police officers, they hired private security, so there was a police force in the town. They just reinvested in redirected some of those funds to be used differently in social services on the municipal level. So, what is that sort of perfect model in your eye from where you sit? I think doctor what Dr Golf just laid out his absolutely right. We all we often want to think that these sorts of solutions are just really very simple and direct and clear the problems of complex and I think the resolutions to these problems will be complex than new odds, some combination of reform in the way in which we lease, and and in some ways expanding services by by by reinvesting in education and Housing and mental health services in the lights out I think what Dr Golf laid out is precisely what I'm hearing on the ground from activists as well, but then well, let's be clear. It would be difficult to organize and rally and mobilize around the slogan redirect the funds of the police to these things right so the slogan is a shorthand, and oftentimes we find ourselves debating the slogan. We debated the slogan around Black Lives. Matter people say all lives matter blue lives matter. They thought that it was a kind of narrow chauvinistic kind of utterance. People debated black power didn't know what it meant. People even debated freedom now right in the context of the of of the black freedom struggle with Dr King so there's always been this kind of attention to the slogan used to mobilize in mistreats and some ways to divert our attention. When we should be paying to what's happening underneath the slow, the slogan is pointing us to and is pointing us to this whenever police are involved in a situation. The potential use of deadly force automatically comes into view. And in some instances, the idea of deadly force, being possible is absolutely unnecessary. Willy and we need to begin to shrink the police footprint in our communities, because the the they're not the sole responders to every problem we experienced. They're not the sole answer to the question of public state. Talk about the slogan. I heard some Democrats yesterday. Some progressive, even saying we need to work on the slogan, because de-fund has a very specific and literal meaning that the president of course is using to his advantage, he believes that a law enforcement table yesterday president trump pledged to maintain funding for police. Not going to be any disbanding of our police are police have been letting us. Live in peace. We want to make sure we don't have any bad actors in there, and sometimes you'll see some horrible things like we witnessed recently but. Thousand Nine I say ninety nine point nine, but let's go with ninety nine percent of them are great great people. Some of the papers they want to end the police department. Quote end the Police Department in Minneapolis ended. What does that mean? You might have some cities and WanNa try, but it's going to be very very sad situation if they did because. People aren't going to be protected. Let's go to the White House right now. Bringing NBC, News Correspondent. Carolee Carol Good Morning obviously the president. believes. He's on to something here. We heard his public yesterday. He's using it and many of his tweet, saying the radical left Democrats want to take money away from the police and get rid of police departments, using specifically example of Minneapolis where the city council said it wants to dismantle the police department. He is struggling right now in about every single poll that comes out. He's said A. Couple of weeks terrible couple of months actually by any measure. Is this his new law and order theme that he's going to go with the Democrats including Joe Biden WanNa to take money away from the police. Despite the fact, the Vice President Biden went on the record yesterday to say he is against the idea of defunding the police. Yes, that's exactly what the president is doing. He's. We're in the third week of this crisis and president. Trump is now what he thinks found. Basically the argument that that he can make on this where he feels like he stands on the strongest footing and he also has. This opponent that he likes to have in these sorts of it in these kinds of debates, and that is that the Democrats are trying to take away funding from police departments, and the whole reason for this is so that the president cast himself as a ally, an ally of police, the police and law enforcement and say that Democrats are anti law enforcement, and this is where the presence going to lean into. It doesn't matter as you said whether. Joe Biden says he doesn't support. Support or not every Democrat is going the going to be asked whether or not they support this and the president's going to continue to try to make them own this because he feels and people around him, feel that this is his best argument, and all this law and order argument, so that's his messaging plan. The question that still hanging over the White House is whether the president's GonNa. Come up with any sort of substantive plan to deal with the concerns that all of. Of. These tens of thousands of protesters are voicing in the streets across country. He has not said what he would do. In terms of any police reforms, not what he would support. He said yesterday that they're going to discuss things. The White House press secretary said that the president was looking at what's a state issue. What's a federal issue? You know what kinds of things that he might be able to support, but so far we've seen no specifics in that realm of of this. This crisis and yet we've seen the president repeatedly now and then you're going to hear a lot more of this. In the coming days hit this idea that Democrats are not on the side of law enforcement and he is, and that's where he thinks that that he's going to that that it's what he thinks the messages that's going to get some of those poll numbers that you just referenced back to closer to where the him and his advisors would like them to be. Little Carol he and his campaign team. No, they need something right now. You look at the national polling battleground state polling places like Michigan which helped propel him to victory. It's not good. He's done in double digits across those polls, so he apparently now, according to reports is going to start doing rallies again at the end of this month, and just a couple of weeks despite concerns about. About Corona virus, despite continued concerns about large gatherings, is that really on the board? And what will those rallies look like? Those have become oxygen for him over the years he can go out when times are bad and sort of feel affirmed by those big crowds that he gets when he goes out to rallies. What will they make? America Great Again Rally Look like in twenty twenty this. Well? If the president gets his way, Willy, it's GonNa look like. That we've seen in the past and a lot of his supporters. Frankly are feel comfortable with that and the White House and the president's campaign feel like they'll be able to still draw the crowds that the president has drawn in the past, and and we've seen just with the way that the president wants to handle the Republican convention. He's not holding the Republican convention in North Carolina There might require things like social distancing and other measures to deal with the pandemic. He's not so interested in that. He wants to have rallies the way they were. He likes them as you said they. He thrives off of those. He feels good when he's out. He's been itching. We know from our own reporting to get out on the trail and for weeks, and now we're told that he's going to be presented with options of where he can do rallies in the coming days and he'll pro. We're likely to see him start to do that at least in the coming weeks in the run-up to the convention really. I carol good to see you. It's Yasmine This is a president that was going to campaign on a strong economy. We are now officially in a trend, a recession as of today essentially being announced that we're officially in a recession. So, what does that mean for this president going forward especially if he plans to campaign at these rallies. Well. It means that they have to switch the argument from make America great again to try to get people to feel like America is heading in the right direction, and we've seen from our NBC News Wall Street Journal poll that a lot of people feel like the eighty percent of the country feels like the country is spinning out of control. He knew what the president and his aides will tell you is that he needs to make. Americans feel like the economy is going in the right direction like. Like things are getting better as opposed to that. Things are better now and that he's the one who's going to continue making the country the economy move in the right direction you as why we saw him on. Friday really spike the football on that jobs report lean into it and I really want to be able to turn the page and say that the country is moving in the right direction, so it's not so much an argument that they expected to make which is that we have this great. Economy that's firing on all cylinders. The president created that and that's why he should be re-elected reelected again. It's this argument that the economy is going through a rough patch. It's heading in the right direction, and this is a president who should continue to be in the white. House to keep it going in the right direction, and if you handed over the Democrats, they're gonNA. Defend your police and they're going to take the economy in the wrong direction. That's the new argument. Right. NBC's Carolee at the White House Force this morning. Carol great to see you. Thanks so much still ahead on Morning Joe the World Health Organization now says the spread of Kobe nineteen by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare. We will talk to our medical panel about the confusion and that statement, and and all the chaos. It caused yesterday straight ahead. I'm. Host of into America a podcast from NBC. News and MSNBC join me as we go into the numbers. Eighty three percent of patients don't have insurance right now into the choices. I have to plan a funeral in the age of the coronavirus. How is this going to work? into away through the importance of music is to keep our spirits up into America a podcast about everyday people and the power that politics policy and Democrat in shaping our lives new episodes, every Monday and Thursday. Everyone. It's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America. It's been four years NFL quarterback Colin. Kaepernick took a knee against police, brutality and racial injustice. Now as much of the country joined in protests over those same issues, there is renewed pressure on the League to support its players, I spoke with longtime NFL. Wide Receiver Brandon Marshall about why this moment has provoked change from the most powerful sports league in the nation. No one can push the NFL round. But. We're talking about this movement. Black lives matter this is bigger than the NFL such for into America wherever using right now it's. Attorney General William Bar contradicted president trump in confirming that the president was taken to an underground bunker during protests late last month, Attorney General Bar yesterday, saying president trump was taken to the bunker, not for an inspection as the president claimed, but because of security concerns over demonstrations outside the White House. On Monday we were reacting to three days of extremely violent demonstrations right. Across from the White House. A lot of injuries to police. Officers are said if things were so bad that the secret service recommended the president. Go down to the bunker. You'll remember the last week. President Trump denied a New York Times report that the secret service had taken him to a bunker for his own security during the May twenty-ninth protests and suggested he was instead conducting an inspection. Was a false report. I went down during the day and I was there for a tiny little short period of time. It was much more for an inspection. It was never a problem. We never had a problem. No nobody ever. Came close to giving us a problem. They said it would be a good time to go down. Take a look because maybe sometime. You're going to need it. It was always a little bit laughable that the president. United States was down conducting a spot inspection of the World War Two era bunker beneath the White House for his own safety. But now attorney general Bar, who we don't often see contradicting the president coming out and saying no, it's what you think it was. The president was taken to the bunker by the secret service during the protests to protect him from those. Just just checking things out down here. Well, he just checking things out. There's nothing wrong with the president. Seeking Safety, if in fact, his security at risk, he is the president of the United States after all, but there is something wrong with actually lying about it and the attorney general as you mentioned. They're contradicting him, so turns out. We'll there's also some adds running in Washington DC right now. Campaign ads to appease the president. The trump campaign out running ads on Cable News in the DC area, reportedly to perk up congressional Republicans and reach an audience of what the president himself that is according to the daily beast, which was reporting the trump campaign spent a little over four hundred thousand dollars for ads. That began running this past May and are scheduled for June, twenty third, mostly airing on Fox. News, but also N. and this network as well as NBC. The trump campaign's communications director said this. We want members of Congress and our. Surrogate to see the ADS. They are strong arguments for president trump, and against Joe Biden two sources, saying the add by had another purpose to put the president himself at ease as he grows anxious about his reelection, they also said a quote. The campaign is hoping to counter program recent ADS by critics that have driven the president to public. It's the ads in question were the work of the Lincoln Project A super? PAC run by a group of dissident conservatives and elicited furious reactions from the president's twitter feed yesterday a new CNN poll showing the president fourteen points behind Joe Biden nationwide, but I was speaking to Shannon, petty piece a little bit earlier Willie and she said to me look. The president doesn't actually like to watch commercials, so it's not necessarily good to run ads for the president during Commercial Times. If you want the president to watch, you should be watching. You should be running those ads during a sports because that's who likes to watch golfing in particular. Fast forward through those ads like most of us standing four hundred thousand dollars spent in Washington DC conductor in Washington DC blue I guess I kid, of course it says blue, as as it can possibly be, but apparently they're also trying to get to members of Congress to invigorate them and get them hyped up in light of these new poll numbers in light of all these last couple of months of the president's performance in the polls that show he's not. Not doing well, even among some of his own supporters who don't like the way he's handling this crisis, the Lincoln Project on the other hand that Group of Republicans making ads against President Trump puts them right on the Fox News where he knows the president of the United States will see them coming up on morning. Joe Corona Virus infections hit record highs in fourteen states and in Puerto Rico. We'll have the latest on the ongoing pandemic next morning, Joe. It's still appears to be rare that asymmetric individual actually transmits onward. What we really want to be focused on our is following the symptomatic cases. If we followed all of the symptomatic aces, because we know that this is a respiratory pathogen, it passes from an individual through infectious droplets. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases isolated, those cases followed the context in quarantine. Those contexts we would drastically reduce. I would love to be able to give a proportion of how much transmission we would actually stop. The World Health Organization yesterday casting some doubt and causing some confusion about the spread of the corona virus as symptomatic infections. You heard a top. WHO official calling a symptomatic transmission quote, very rare emphasizing it is not driving the spread of the virus. New Conclusion was drawn from new contact tracing data from several countries, however, preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread from person to person contact even if the carrier did not have symptoms. Symptoms now. The W. H. O. says that while as dramatic spread can occur, it is not the main way that it is being transmitted. The comments are raising questions from leading health experts director at the Harvard Global Health Institute has blamed the WHO for creating confusion, tweeting out that communication by the W. H. O. is not stellar and such. A statement should be accompanied by data calls a symptomatic spread the Achilles heel of the outbreak. That's from doctor. Who will be our guest later this morning? Questions, also, rising over why the agency recently changed its guidance on wearing masks, previously the WHO recommended only healthcare workers, people with Covid, nineteen and their caregivers, where medical masks on Friday, the W Joe Changed its guidance, and now is advising that in areas where the virus is spreading healthy people should wear fabric masks when unable to socially distance. Okay, let's try to make some sense of all that joining us now. Former White House advisor for health policy, professor and vice provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. He is an NBC News and Msnbc Medical Contributor. Contributor and Co host of the podcast making the call, also the author of the new book entitled Which Country Has the best healthcare which hits bookstores next week also with US morning Joe, chief medical correspondent. Dr Dave Campbell Gentlemen Good Morning Good to have you both with us Dr Emmanuel. I'll begin with you and you can help us sort out because I think people's heads are spinning when the W. H. O. Says, a symptomatic transmission is rare. We've been told for all these months. Now. That part of the idea of staying at home is, you could have corona virus in. It and just the act of going out to a grocery store or restaurant. You could be spreading it to people without knowing it. What did you make of the WHO comments yesterday? Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. I get together with actress Kerry Washington to talk about her. Broadway play new Netflix's movie. American son get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts. well I think. The official went overboard compared to what the actual official document which I have here said, so if you actually read the document carefully, it says that there are three studies that look at spread without symptoms part of the problem, and this is what they didn't make. Clear is asymmetric spreaders. When you never develop symptoms, you can only tell that the very end one of the things we know. Is that a lot of. Of People are most infectious one two three days before they have symptoms. They look a synthetic. They don't even know they have the disease, but they can still spread it while they're not truly asymmetric, because they eventually develop symptoms, but they look a symptomatic, so if they were a little more careful, they would have said you can spread it when you're pre-symptoms, and then developed symptoms, and that makes it easier to trans. Trans easier to trace, but people without symptoms can spread this disease. That's the important point people who haven't developed symptoms yet have the biographies can spread the disease actually are most infectious, and then they can go on to develop symptoms, so we still do have to be very careful when people don't have symptoms and go out with a mask. Make sure that your staying six feet away because you could have the virus. Virus you don't know yet, and you could develop symptoms, and that is a key problem. It was a very confusing statement. True a symptomatic people who'll you'll eventually know after two weeks. Yes, they may be at low level, but by the way the WHO statement doesn't even show that they're low level. They're show that they spread six self from zero percent to fourteen percent depending upon the study, so it's not zero. So I. think that was a very confusing and unhelpful statement the way she said it. And I think she is right. The contact tracing can reduce the spread. But you've got to be a little more precise if you're GONNA. Make a major statement to the entire world about how this disease is being spread. Dr, Campbell I think this is one of the many moments that Americans have had over the last four months where they've gone. Wait a minute. What does this mean for me? What do I do with this information? So a symptomatic verse pre-symptomatic just in Plain English. What's the distinction there? And what are the implications for our ability to go back out and resume businesses and resume our lives again? Well, it has nothing to do with going back out. And resuming our lives or any change I should say. We, speak a pre-symptomatic, it is as if we need to be clairvoyant. And know that those individuals will eventually develop the symptoms of covid nineteen, the most well known ones in the severe ones or cough fever shortness of breath. You know I don't know whether today I may be in the beginning stages of having Kovic one, thousand, nine hundred, not know it and be very contagious is Dr Manual says. Those are pre-symptomatic individuals those that are a symptomatic. May Have the disease in them. The virus floating through their system and never develop anything other than perhaps mild symptoms, so the distinction between. True a systematic and those that are pre-symptomatic and going to get sick is key and. The speaker Dr Kirk of Von Kirkov was was making a point early in this process of identifying this information, and then it was useful, but it was very confusing, and I think all of us had to watch her reporting a few times, and then read the World Health Organization statements to try to figure out and Parse out the distinction. She was telling us. It was important that she was stressing over. And over again that massive testing of those with symptoms is going to be the most valuable to identifying those that are likely to become secondarily infected. So it was, it was just a little snippet of information that that got us all in a tizzy yesterday, but clearly wasn't the intention. There was something that wasn't spoken Dr Manual. You may want to speak to this if I have it right. It's the viral load that also has some relationship to how contagious or infective you are. We know that right before you become very sick with a fever and a cough the day you're going to become sick with covid nineteen. You're very contagious. You have a lot of virus being shed from your respiratory system, and if the viral load turns out to be higher in those that are very sick and lower, and those that are true, a symptomatic, there might be an explanation for for what Dr Von Cobb was saying. Zeke! I agree with you. That there does seem to appear. It's not definitive that viral role that is the amount of virus you actually have have gotten infected with and have produced is related to how sick you get. That's not definitive, but it does appear that. If you get a small amount of virus, you probably can navigate this without too much problem and getting sick. If you have a large amount of virus, get exposed to it. You do get sick. That's one of the main reasons to stay away from people to wear master reduce if you happen to get sick the amount of virus that you're taking in. By the way this very common with viral diseases for example for smallpox. We've long known that. Long they do in the eighteenth century that a small inaccurate, the small amount of virus gave you a mild case in there and made you immune, so it was very beneficial. So, that actually is a very consistent with other situations that we know about. Dr Manual this is this is Yasmin thanks for being with US this morning i? Think one of the major concerns here right is is the fact that folks could let their guards down hearing this news from the World Health Organization I was out in the streets with protesters on Sunday, reporting there and you had thousands of folks with masks on your weren't necessarily able to socially distance, but. But they did have masks on. If they hear this this news from the world, Health Organization, essentially saying from what they are hearing that ACC dramatic folks are not folks that can necessarily pass on the virus. They may then subsequently take those masks off, and that is the major problem in that they can let that guard down, and then we can see the numbers spike once again. You have it exactly right two weeks ago. We wrote a article in the New York Times saying. It's important to get people to wear masks. And to actually have them to reduce the spread, both from person in what they got, if they were in the environment where I virus was around. And they as you say if they hear that I'll, you can't be asymptomatic and spread it. They may revert, and that would be a very big loss. The WHO on this mask thing, there's been quite slow and quite. Delayed in making the announcement as you pointed out, they only made it on Friday. I I'd broadcasts that we ought to be doing this more than two months ago before the CDC announced it. There is a fair amount of evidence again. It's not great evidence in the middle of a pandemic, but that wearing a face mask is helpful by the way there's really no downside. And wearing just a regular cloth masks that fits on your face can be very helpful. We should not revert to taking those masks off. We still don't have ninety five percent of people doing it. which is what we need like seatbelts to actually help reduce the spread of this virus and I would note that in large parts of the country there hasn't been big by role. Reductions looked at Georgia last night Louisiana. I mean we've plateaued. We haven't gone down to zero the way they have in many other countries like. That had big big outbreak, so we have a lot of work to do. So Dr Campbell to that point. Yes, the cases have gone down. The hospitalizations have gone down in the areas of greatest concern in the early months of this pandemic in New York City in Los Angeles and Chicago and Detroit and places like that, but the Washington Post is tracking cases and fourteen states and Puerto Rico now have recorded their highest seven day averages the most that they've ever had. Had the record of cases, so, where are we in this right now? I think there's this sort of temptation to feel like okay. We've turned to page in it. Because some of our urban centers have gotten better objectively they have, but now is this moves across the country. A bit perhaps goes into rural communities. What's the Snapshot Right Now? Where are we in the progress of this pandemic? We've been speaking of this Memorial Day. When we saw the big crowds at the beach and the sand bars, and we knew that all fifty states had some degree of reopening happening. We're about two weeks and we have a few more weeks until July fourth and what we have been concerned of and are still concerned about. Is this increasing number of cases? Spread around the country, rather than being concentrated in the large urban centres spread through. Homes and and factories and small towns and communities, and we are now seeing that, so it's evermore. The good news is that. A lot of people are watching the news now. So what came out with the World Health Organization yesterday. It's not going to be widely disseminated before speakers. Dr Manual and others will let the country know that you cannot let your guard down. You have to realize that the numbers are creeping back up and by July fourth we will be seeing increasing numbers, perhaps more spread across the country and a diffuse manner. And thankfully cities like New, York City have seen a decrease, but we are far from out of the woods, and that feared second wave that we talked about coming in the fall, and the winter may come sooner spurred by Memorial Day opening of all fifty states to some degree, and of course the protests were physical. Distancing is essentially impossible. Will? Dr Manual before we let you go I mean we've obviously turned. Our is for the last couple of weeks to these protests to this movement in the streets, but what is your concern as a physician who's keeping his eye on these numbers and looking at yes, we've turned a page in cities like Detroit and Chicago and New York, but that we're seeing record highs and other states across the country. Yeah, I think. That's right. If you look at places like Alabama. They've. I see us filled in Montgomery Alabama respirators are ventilators are all being used? And that shows you that we didn't wait for the indication that we had fourteen days of decline in the number of cases that we had fourteen days of drop in hospitalizations before we opened up and we opened up I think. Especially in certain places like Georgia quite recklessly. Up to parlors and barber shops and beauty salons. Indoor restaurant dining and things like that which we shouldn't I think it's really important to remind the audience at are four major contributing factors increasing transmission in close spaces, crowds, tro longtime with people. And deep accelerations singing, shout sneezing, shouting coughing. Those are the things that contribute to spread. Now, it's lucky that we don't have in close spaces because we're spending a lotta time outside, but we have a lot of these. Those other factors as was mentioned crowds. Spending a lot of time with people and yelling shouting. Coughing sneezing, that's not a good combination in the long term for a large number of cases. And that can happen at the beach. MORE NUANCE! So I didn't mean up there, but yeah. I think this is an important moment to bring a little clarity. We're getting a lot of new information and appreciate you both Dr Emmanuel Doctor Campbell. Thank. You can hear much more from Dr Manual on his making the call. and his latest op Ed for the New York Times entitled could trump turn a vaccine into a campaign stunt gentlemen. Thank you both still ahead on Morning Joe The Washington Post Gene. Robinson joins us with his latest piece titled. Democrats stop worrying about losing focus on how you are likely to win gene our panel. Come back in just a moment.

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