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KNST AM 790

13:57 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Welcome back our final segment with Dr Dianna, polka talk about her work American cosmic. And of course, tell us the title. How did you get the title Diana shares? So the title, you, you know, you don't title before you write it new kind of title comes as you write it. And as I was researching the origins of our space program. I came my editor actually who's a very intelligent incredibly intuitive women suggested that I read this book called the Russian cosmonauts by George Young. And I did and I was also at the time reading books on Jack Parsons, you know, and the people who figured out rocket technology. And I realized that these people were pretty their beliefs were pretty out there. And they believe the water the believed that they were in touch with non human intelligence, and that they were actually. Early using that word again downloading they were downloading these technologies, and I thought, wow, I didn't know that about our space program at all. I thought our space programs work completely materialists, you know, scientific materialists can you believe in anything like this? But actually, if you go back to the brilliant people who did develop these technologies, they weren't they did have these belief systems. So so I decided that and the people that I was studying now. Right into that history. And I thought this is almost like his book, of course, is an incredibly academic book and my takes off in different direction. But I thought that the people I studied could have been the next chapter of his book. So I called my book, I it's like an Omani his book. So I called my book American causing, you know, American cosmic his he he studied the Russian cosmic program. And I studied the American perfect. Let's go to Don Kent, Ohio taken away. Donald rather, George great program tonight. Interesting Diana, just wanted to ask you, Jeff, you names out there for you about that spiritual side effects of the UFO growing up Roman Catholic, I used to be fascinated by some of the exploits of Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Now, he was a adviser on you up those, but his degree was in demon -nology, and he was also an exorcist now as. Talking with Tommy about Stanton Friedman. He said he made a statement always impact me. So the beautiful were beneficial. Why didn't they stop the HOA cost? And then we got Jack Malaysia he says there was a connection the merry UFO connection. And so what is your take on the spirituality of the up os? Right. So I actually use a lot of the work of Jacques valet in my book. And I talk about the Marian apparitions and how they if you do look at the that's the thing about the Catholic history. If you look at the original sources of a lot of don't really dog Matic events, like Mary, I mean, tree of Abbas, you know, ecstasy you'll if you read with you he says about it it looks like it's from John max objection book. Right. So it looks very UFO ish. And so this struck me as Freddie odd when I I did this research like in the very beginning. It was like a hit on slap in the face kinda thing. Like, wow, is this what I've been reading about one. And so so the spirituality I think that that is why the Catholic churches takes no facial position. Other than that. You know, how itchy was on. I did see an interview of him a few years ago where he basically talked about how he believes that there were varieties of these eighteen as well. And he said there were bad ones. And there were good ones. And there were a lot of them were superior to humans, and perhaps even you know, a something that had to do with what we consider to be angels or something like that. Because I mean, if you look at the angels, even angels are supposed to be different species of themselves. So you know, that so I think the correlations there. If you if you read the book, I have it's it's there is a lot of of Catholic references throughout the book almost every actor Jonah. What do you think though in terms of if you had to make bad would the extraterrestrials be more and Djelic or more interplanetary? From other systems. Right. Okay. So that's a really good question about even how the universe is structured. I think is I believe that with with science today. I think we're going to understand the universe in a lot. If in different ways than we have before. And I think that if we were to say that, you know. There are beings that are that exist on other planets and have other civilizations. And they use some type of technology to get to our planet, and maybe study us or interact with us or or or is there another dimension. You know that that a code? I I would I would go for the more dimension thing. I'm more the multi type, you are dramatic. So you don't think they're coming here with some high technology propulsion system or anything like that bending space and time, maybe? No. I don't I've talked to people who have spent their lives looking into that. And no, I don't think that's how they're getting here. Well, I think that if if okay. So if you talk to people who have maybe seen them, and you've talked to or you look at the data from the historical account, it appears that they just appear right? They don't kind of like come. And you know, they. Without they do. And I and they don't appear to be. Mostly solid on just I mean, they looked like solid objects. But then they changed and they don't look like solid objects. So I mean, what kind of technologies that, you know, something that we are capable of producing or, you know, or even imagining at this point, you know, so I so I'm that's where I'm at right now. I remember I have no settled idea of what this is. I really don't. I'm just going along. I'm basically in doing exactly what scientists are doing. I'm just learning about it as we all are. Let's go to Joe and Long Island New York Joseph. Go ahead. Yeah. I Donna seems like that being being dead like in Star Trek. Scotty. The about that book go accounts of angels. Now, it seems like take for example, tall it would way. Feel it seemed like Rayfield hung out for the whole issue of issues involved, which the outcome of which was the beta bottle and stayed on topic. He didn't start talking about the Yankee game of the game. You know, he's stuck with the topic. So that seems to be a theme throughout many book accounts of Angels'. And then what technology do they have an app Rangel's on the smartphones that the contact Angels' probably not yet not yet. But probably soon. Yeah. It's back. You probably just gave somebody a good idea. Gela cami. Yeah. They're gonna make millions of dollars on it. He'll let me think about that. Okay. So when I I've written about angels, I've probably papers about you know, how people perceive angels. And and I've been reading about it in my book about purgatory. You know, what are angels? So you know, what what are they and and if you look at the biblical count you'll see that they differ, right? That the different account. Are you know, sitting to air people to you know, almost to death, right? Like jacob. Okay. So they fight with them. Okay. So you've got you know, they come an angel comes to marry an and says you not free, right? Well, she's terrified. And so, you know, we have I remember telling somebody this a long time ago. I guess it was probably even before I began to study. And my daughter's fifteen I was really young and we're playing into play crown. And she had a play date with somebody. And it was the dad that was there. And we started talking about angels. And I didn't you know. I it's not like I'm saying, I know all about angels. But I said what I knew about the sources the biblical sources. And they said they don't really portray angels as how we think of them today. He's like, you know, really, you know, kind of happy things that come down and with you know, wings and drink wishes and do this. They're actually terrifying. And they looked at me. And he said do not talk about that in front of my child. I want my child to believe that you know, in the kind of like, and I was shocked by that. Because I thought well, I wasn't tending to talk to child about angels in the first place. But you know, if you actually do you want to know about angels. Why don't you go and read about them? And you know, read this sources about them, you'll find that there are different types. And that they are not they don't always appear friendly to people. So. I saw say I mean, I know that, you know, the the bad thing about people in my field is that we disabuse people of what you know, a lot of my seems kinda class. They believe all these things about the bible. Then we start to read it. And they're like, I didn't know it said that and I said it I'm not making it up. And I even tell the bring your own bible class. It will read it. So did you ever talk with the very downing? Dr Barry downing at all. No. But I see that's the thing is I know the works of people who do this kind of what I would call forensic angel al-ajiz right forensic looking at the actual sources and looking at the words, you know, the Hebrew or the Greek and how they're used, and you know, it's it's fascinating do whole class on on angels. You know in Asia doing angels tomorrow night on the show. It doesn't end. I heard that. And I thought oh, yeah. You have to for that one. Let's go to join Brielle, California. First time caller for John. Go ahead. Hi, Mr. orient, and Dr Dianna. Hi about oh about a month ago and talked to in because I had some facts on it's personal, but he's the nicest guy in the world, but he gave me the total tinfoil hat treatment. So you can take her leave leaving the he chose to just ride. It must have been in his strange mood. Great, okay earth, amongst the more than one thousand plants with intelligent life is the last one to have religion. I was told that the others had outgrown it. So apparently at one time they did have religion. But they outgrew it. That's an interesting possibility. Dinah, what do you think? They started with religion. But they grew out of it. Right. So I mean, I think that religion. I mean, I know that a lot of people do not believe this, but really appear to change over time. And what I've said in this book is that this is a new form of religion. I think that religion take different forms based on the society within which they are practiced. So here we have this idea that religion will disappear. I'm not sure I think that is long as beings, and I'm and I'm including beings, not just us are conscious and self conscious. I think we're gonna wonder about our origins and the universe in general. And and as I said before, you know, a lot of that motivate religious practice questions and things like that. So in terms about growing, I mean, I can see community changing for him. Actually, you know, they already have. You know today we have what are called the nuns which and I'm not talking about NUON's I'm talking about. And oh, n you know, peop- young people can do not believe in anything. They're kind of just they have a ambiguous, spirituality. So I if that's what they're talking about. Then I can see that happening. We have Elaine in Fort Myers, Florida. Hello there lane. George excuse. I have a little joy to do. Call in and say that yes, I am an agnostic. I was raised a Catholic went to Catholic school for nine years and all that. But I just.

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on 600 WREC

600 WREC

12:52 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on 600 WREC

"Two point one FM. Welcome back our final segment with Dr Dianna, polka talk about her work American cosmic. And of course, tell us the title. How did you get the title, Diana? So the title, you, just you know, you don't title before you write it new kind of title come. Then you write it. And as I was researching the origins of our space program. I came my editor actually who is very intelligent incredibly intuitive women suggested that I read this book called the Russian causing spy, George Young. And I did. And I was also at the time reading books on Jack Parsons, you know, and the people who figured out rocket technology. And I realized that these people were pretty their beliefs were pretty out there. And they believe a lot of the belief that they were in touch with non human intelligence, and that they were actually using that word again downloading they were downloading these technologies, and I thought, wow, I didn't know that about our space program at all. I thought our space programs work completely. Materialists, you know, scientific materialists he didn't believe in anything like this. But actually, if you go back to the brilliant people who did develop these technologies, they weren't they did have police systems. So so I decided that the people that I was studying now. Right into that history. And I thought this is almost like his book, of course, is an incredibly academic book and my takes off in different direction. But I thought that the people I studied could have been the next chapter is that his book. So I called my book. I it's like an Omani his book. So I called my book American causing, you know, American cosmic his he he studied the Russian causing program. And I studied American perfect. Let's go to Don Kent, Ohio taken away, Donald rather George great programs, and they do interesting, Diana just wanted to ask you a few names out there for you about that spiritual side effects of the UFO growing up Roman Catholic, I used to be fascinated by some of the exploits of Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Now, he was a Madigan advisor on you up those. But his degree was in demon -nology. He was also an exorcist now. Talking with Tommy about Stanton Friedman. He said they made a statement always impacting me says if you have those were beneficial. Why didn't they stop the holocaust? And then we got Jack Mullane he says there was a connection the merry UFO connection. And so what is your take on the spirituality of the post? Right. So I actually use a lot of the work of Yock valet in my book. I talk about the Marian apparitions and how they if you do look at the that's the thing about the Catholic history. If you look at the original sources of a lot of don't really dog Matic events like Mary. I mean trees of Abbas, you know, ecstasy you'll if you read with yes, he says about it. It looks like it's run John max objection book. Right. So it looks very UFO. And so this struck me as incredibly odd when I I did this research like in the very beginning. It was like a hit on slap in the face kinda thing. Like, wow, is this what I've been reading about. And so so spirituality. I think that that is why the Catholic church churches takes no official position. Other than that. You know, how itchy was on. I did see an interview of him a few years ago where he basically talked about how he believes that there were varieties of these issues as well. And he said they were bad ones. And there were good ones. And there were a lot of them were superior to humans, and perhaps even you know, a something that had to do with what we consider to be angels or something like that. Because I mean, if you look at the angels, even angels are supposed to be different species of themselves. So you know, that so I think the correlation there if you if you read the book, I have it's it's there is a lot of Catholic references throughout the book almost every actor. What do you think though in terms of if you had to make a bad would the extraterrestrials be more and Djelic or more interplanetary? From other systems. Right. Okay. So that's a really good question about even how the universe is structured. I think is I believe that with this with science today. I think we're going to understand the universe in a lot. If in different ways than we have before. And I think that if we were to say that, you know. There are being that that this on other planets, and they have other civilizations. And they use some type of technology to get to our planet, and maybe study us or interact with us or or or is there another dimension. You know that that a code? I I would I would go for the more dimension thing. I'm I'm more typers type. You are. Dramatic. So you don't think they're coming here with some high technology propulsion system or anything like that bending space and time, maybe no. I don't I've talked to people who have spent their lives looking into that. And no, I don't think that's how they're getting here. Well, I think that if if okay. So if you talk to people who have maybe seen them, and you've talked to or you look at the data from the historical account, it appears that they just appear right? They don't kind of like come. And you know, they. Yeah, they they do and I and they don't appear to be. Mostly solid on this. I mean, they looked like solid objects. But then they changed and they don't look like solid objects. So I mean, what kind of technologies that, you know, something that we aren't capable of producing or, you know, or even imagining at this point, you know, so I so I'm that's where I'm at right now. I remember I have no settled idea of what this is. I really don't. I'm just going along. I'm basically in doing exactly what scientists are doing. I'm just learning about it as we all are. Let's go to Joe in Long Island, New York. Hey joseph. Go ahead. Yeah. I Donna seems like that being beamed in like in Star Trek. Scotty. What about that book? Go accounts of angels that seems like take for example, tall it would way. Feel it seemed like Rayfield hung out for the whole issue of issues involved. What's the outcome of which was the beta bottle and stayed on topic? He didn't start talking about the Yankee game of that game. You know, he's stuck with the topic. So that seems to be a theme throughout many book accounts Daniels, and then what technology do they have an app Rangel's on the smartphone. So the contact Angels' probably not yet not yet. But probably soon. Yeah. It's back. You probably just gave somebody a good idea. Gela cami. Yeah. They're gonna make millions of dollars on it. So let me think about that. Okay. So when I I've written about angels. I published papers about you know, how people perceived angels. And and I've been reading about it in my book about purgatory. You know, what our angels. So you know, what what are they and anything you look at the biblical count. You'll see that they differ, right? That the different accounts are, you know, setting to air people to you know, almost to death, right? Like jacob. Okay. So they fight with them. Okay. So you've got you know, they come an angel comes to marry and says do not be afraid. Right. Well, she's terrified. And so, you know, we have I remember telling somebody this a long time ago. I guess it was probably either before I began to study. And my daughter's fifteen I was really young and we're playing into playground. And she had a play date with somebody. And it was the dad that was there. And we started talking about angels. And I didn't you know. I it's not like I'm saying, I know all about angels. But I said what I knew about the sources the biblical. And I said, well, they don't really portray angels as how we think of them today. He's like, you know, really, you know, kind of happy things that come down and with, you know, wings, and drank wishes and do this. They're actually terrifying. They looked at me. And he said do not talk about that in front of my child. I want my child to believe that you know, in the kind of like, and I was shocked by that. Because I thought well, I wasn't tending to talk to child about angels in the first place. But you know, if you actually do you want to know about angels. Why don't you go and read about them? And you know, read the sources about them, you'll find that there are different types. And that they are not they don't always appear friendly to people. So. I sorry say I mean, I know that, you know, the the bad thing about people in my field is that we disabuse people of what you know, a lot of my seems kinda class. They believe all these things about the bible. Then we start to read it. And they're like, I didn't know it said that and I said it I'm not making it up. And I even tell the bring your own bible class. It will read it. So did you ever talk with the very downing? Dr Barry downing at all. No. But I see that's the thing is I know the works of people who do this kind of what I would call forensic angel al-ajiz right forensic looking at the actual sources and looking at the words, you know, the Hebrew or the Greek and how they're used. And you know, it's it's fascinating. You know, you do a whole class on on angels. Angels angels tomorrow night on the show. It doesn't end. I heard that. And I thought oh, yeah. You have to for that one. Let's go to Brielle realto, California. First time caller force, John. Go ahead. Hi, Mr. norie, and Dr Dianna high about oh about a month ago and talked to in because I had some facts on its personal. But. The nicest guy in the world, but he gave me the total tin foil hat treatment. So tell you you can take it or leave it, you know, the he shows to just write it off. He must've been in his strange mood. Okay earth amongst the more than one thousand plants with intelligent life is the last one to have religion. I was told that the others had outgrown it. So apparently at one time they did have religion. But they outgrew it. That's an interesting possibility. Dinah, what do you think? They started with religion. But they grew out of it. Right. So I mean, I think that religion. I mean, I know that a lot of people do not believe this, but really appear to change over time. And what I've said in this book is that this is a new form of religion. I think that religions take different forms based on the society within which they are practiced. So here we have this idea that religion will disappear. I'm not sure I think that is long as beings, and I'm not, and I'm including beings,.

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

12:22 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on KTOK

"One thousand KT. Okay. Welcome back our final segment with Dr Dianna, polka talk about her work American cosmic. And of course, tell us the title. How did you get the title, Diana share? So the title, you, you know, you don't title the book before you. Right. You kind of the title comes as you write it. And as I was researching the origins of our space program. I came my editor actually who's a very intelligent incredibly intuitive woman suggested that I read this book called the Russian causing by George Young. And I did, and I was also at the time reading books on Jack person, you know, and the people who figured out rocket technology. And I realized that these people were pretty their beliefs were pretty out there. And they believe a lot of them believe that they were in touch with non human. Intelligence and that they were actually using that word again downloading were downloading these technologies, and I thought, wow, I didn't know that about our space program at all. I thought our space programs were completely materialists, you know, scientific materialists believe in anything like this. But actually, if you go back to the brilliant people who did develop these technologies, they weren't they did have these belief systems. So so I decided that and the people that I was studying now. Right into that history. And I thought this is almost like his book, of course, is an incredibly academic book and my takes off in a different direction. But I thought that the people I studied could have been the next chapter of his book. So I called my book, I it's like an Omani his book. So I called my book American causing, you know, American cosmic his he he studied the Russian cosmic program. And I studied the American one perfect. Let's go to Don Kent, Ohio taken away. Donald rather George great program today. Interesting Diana, just want to ask you a few names out there for you about the spiritual side effects of the UFO growing up, Roman Catholic. I used to be fascinated by some of the exploits of Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Now, he was adviser on you up. But his degree was ND Manala g and he was also an exorcist now. Talking with Tommy about Stanton Friedman. He said they made a statement always impact me says if you were beneficial. Why didn't they stop the holocaust? And then we got Jack malay- he he says there was a connection the merry UFO connection. And so what is your take on the spirituality of the upo? Right. So I actually use a lot of the work of yachts valet in my book. I talk about the Marian apparitions and how they if you do look at the that's the thing about the Catholic history. If you look at the original sources of a lot of don't really dog Matic, then like, Mary, I mean, tree of Abbas, you know, ecstasy you'll if you read with yes, she says about it. It looks like it's from John max objection book. Right. So it looks very UFO ish. And so this struck me as incredibly odd when I I did this research like in the very beginning. It was like a hit on slapping face kinda thing. Like, wow, is this what I've been reading about. And so so spirituality. I think that that is why the Catholic churches takes no official position other than that. You know, how itchy was on. I did see an interview of him a few years ago where he basically talked about how he believes that there were varieties of these eighteen as well. And he said they were bad ones. And there were good ones. And there were a lot of them were superior to humans, and perhaps even you know, a something that had to do with what we consider to be angels or something like that. Because I mean, if you look at the angels, even angels are supposed to be different species of themselves. So you know, said that and so I think the correlations air if you if you do read the book, I have it's it's there is a lot of of Catholic references throughout the book it almost every chapter. What do you think though in terms of if you had to make a bad would the extraterrestrials be more and Djelic or more interplanetary from other systems? Right. Okay. So that's a really good question about even how the universe is structured. I think is I believe that with the with science today. I think we're going to understand the universe in a lot. If in different ways than we have before. And I think that if we were to say that, you know. There are being that are that this on other planets, and they have other civilizations. And they use some type of technology to get to our planet, and maybe study us or interact with us or or or is there another dimension. You know that that a code? I I would I would go for the more dimension thing. I'm I'm more the type type you are. So you don't think they're coming here with some high technology propulsion system or anything like that Ben dean space and time. Maybe no. I don't I've talked the people who have spent their lives looking into that. And no, I don't think that's how they're getting here. Well, I think that if if okay. So if you talk to people who have maybe seen them, and you've talked to or you look at the data from the historical accounts. It appears that they just appear right. They don't kind of like come. And you know, they they without. Yeah. They they do and I and they don't appear to be. Mostly solid on this. I mean, they looked like solid our. But then they changed and they don't look like solid objects. So I mean, what kind of technologies that, you know, something that we are capable of producing or, you know, or even imagining at this point, you know, so I so I'm that's where I'm at right now. I remember I have no settled idea of what this is. I really don't. I'm just killing along. I'm basically in doing exactly what scientists are doing. I'm just learning about it as we all are. Let's go to Joe and Long Island New York. Hey, Joseph go ahead. Yeah. Diana seems like that being beamed and like in Star Trek. Scotty. What the about that book? Go accounts of angels that seems like take for example, tall it would way. Feel it seemed like Rayfield hung out for the whole issue of issues involved. What's the outcome of which was debatable and stayed on topic? He didn't start talking about the Yankee game that game. You know, he's stuck with the topic. So that seems to be a theme throughout many book accounts, Angels'. And then what technology that I haven't app Rangel's on the smartphone? So the contact Angels' probably not yet not yet. But probably soon. Yeah. In fact, you probably just gave somebody a good idea. Gela cabbie? Yeah. They're gonna make millions of dollars on it. He'll let me think about that. Okay. So when I I've written about angels, I probably papers about you know, how people perceived angels. And and I've been reading about it in my book about purgatory. You know, what are angels? So you know, what what are they and anything you look at the biblical count. You'll see that they differ, right? That the different accounts. Are you know, studying to their people to you know, almost death, right? Like jacob. Okay. So they fight with them. Okay. So you've got you know, they come an angel comes to marry an and says do not be afraid. Right. Well, she's terrified. And so, you know, we have I remember telling somebody this a long time ago. I guess it was probably aided before I began to study and my daughter's fifteen hours really young and we're playing into playground. And she had a play date with somebody. And it was the dad that was there. And we started talking about angels. And I didn't you know. I it's not like I'm saying, I know all about angels. But I said what I knew about the sources, the biblical I and I said, well, they don't really portray angels as how we think of them today. He's like, you know, really, you know, kind of happy things that come down and with, you know, wings, and drank wishes and do this. They're actually terrifying. They looked at me. And he said do not talk about that in front of my child. I want my child to believe that you know, in the kind of like, and I I was shocked by that. 'cause I thought well, I wasn't intending to talk to child about angels in the first place. But you know, if you actually do want to know about angels, why don't you go and read about them? And you know, read the sources about them, you'll find that there are different types. And that they are not they don't always appear friendly to people. So. I sorry say I mean, I know that, you know, the the bad thing about people in my field is that we disabuse people of what you know, a lot of my seems will come to class. They believe all these things about the bible. Then we start to read it. And they're like, I didn't know it said that and I said it I'm not making it up. And I even tell them bring your own bible class. It will read it. So did you ever talk with the very downing? Dr Barry downing at all. No. But I see that's the thing is I know the works of people who do this kind of what I would call forensic angel al-ajiz right forensic looking at the actual sources and looking at the the words, you know, the Hebrew or the Greek and how they're used, and you know, it's it's fascinating. You know, you do whole class on on angels. Angels angels tomorrow night on the show doesn't end. I heard that. And I thought oh, yeah. You have to him for that one. Let's join realto California. First time caller, John. Go ahead. Hi, Mr. orient, and Dr Dianna high about about a month ago and talked in because I had some facts on personal. But. The nicest guy in the world, but he gave me the total tin foil hat treatment. So tell you you can take it or leave it, you know, the he chose to just write it all he must've been in his strange mood. Okay. Earth amongst the more than one thousand plants within life is the last one to have religion. I was told that the others had outgrown it. So at one time, they did have religion. But they outgrew it. That's an interesting possibility. Dinah, what do you think? I started with religion. But they grew out of it. Right..

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

02:10 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Over the universe over the over the world. And as you've done you made us, again, astronomy sort of a thing of mine. I do a lot of my previous books with astronomy. I am not entire. I can tell you what the what those with the wheel is exactly I'm I'm happy to say. I don't know. But what I will say it is in my research there are there are civil points about the creatures that seem very astronomically say they seem to to correlate very, particularly with with particular constellations that are cereal or the sun goes through. And if they do match very much with the the twelve tribes of Israel. They all had standards or symbols that are also astrological or astronomical figures. And so I think there's a lot being there's a lot going on there. It's very complicated. And I haven't myself to focus inclusion what I can't say though, is this is a vision that he's having. I don't think that he that he's saying a physical craft that shows up. I think what he's he's doing his best to describe what he is seeing. But this is a supernatural thing that make Harry many many layers of textual meaning that a simple quad copter does not account for Dr Barry downing believes that these. ET's are definitely biblical related and demons. Yes. Will do. And and like, I said, I I would I would even say that the argument really is not or the demons of the Old Testament in the New Testament, and the UFO today are they two different categories that I would say the argument, isn't that? I think the argument is just. They are clearly the same creatures. But what are they are? They are they supernatural beings. And that there is a God has created humanity. Or are they again extraterrestrial beings that evolved in maybe a different plane of existence or another planet? That's the that's the nature of the argument, and we're not arguing over we're arguing more over the identity, and for me like I said in my experience, I gotta come back to the physical creature or whether it evolved and never.

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

WHAS 840 AM

14:12 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"Back to coast to coast. Jason McLean with us Jason. If these angels are demons are coming here somehow and people are seeing them, and they may be in craft. Why do they need craft what happened to angels who had the ability to float to us and things like that? That's a really interesting question. And the thing is a lot of when you look very closely. A lot of these. Assumptions about what angels can and can't do come from artwork. They come from stories that are extra biblical become from assumptions that we make it stories that we tell not necessarily from what's described from primary sources and the few times. Did you see people like you people floating in translating transport from one place to another most of those accounts. Particularly in the bible are vegans why they're being shown something like a like say your VR VR headset. You're watching television. It may not be entirely physical thing that's happening, maybe entirely psychic thing that's happening. So they're being show things and a psychic manner. But then to interact with our reality. They may need to take on his form a physical for more interacts more directly with our with our with our planet existence. For example, there are most people are fairly familiar with thanks to Star Trek and your audience is a lot smarter than I think a lot of audiences are vibrational planes. Right. You have different the the matter of the university energy strings vibrate, a particular frequency, and we interact interact with one another and with the physical world around us. It may be the energy the matter the Knicks supernatural creatures is just a higher vibration frequency, so we don't interact, but once they do interact with our in order to come to us to talk to us that physically interact with us. They may have to change the vibrational frequency which makes them to the laws that operate on our planet exists in which case was assumingly. If they had of those the powers that we assume that they do. Did they may need a craft on our side of the Vale? Right. It's sort of like a scuba gear. Right. Into the ocean. We need to take other things that maybe we wouldn't necessarily need to have in order to interact with that environment. May may be very well necessary to do the same thing in again. This also means that there's only one type of angel still assuming the Angelique beans that are supernatural nature, and maybe let's just call them energy, or dimensional that still doesn't account for necessarily physical creatures that we know that can be their offspring. We we do see I know it's very popular lately. The concept is definitely where you have angels somehow interbreeding with human rights radiuses gloss. Bring with us physical offspring would absolutely need craft and their fathers being there when the reality was created understand how it works in guys and to create more advanced technology than the average human had had access to which accounts for most UFO's. There are some who think that Jesus when he ascended into heaven actually ascended in a craft in that he too was an extraterrestrial. And you know, what that's actually a very common theme that I found with many of the u the abductees that I've worked with and spoken with is. This this concept that they're often told the Hayes was Jesus was one of us. We sit in many teachers like Buddha like Muhammad, and that seems to be very common themes, and again, the ancient astronauts theory that essentially all of our all of our scriptures. That religious texts are silly humans transcribing contact with extraterrestrials that it's really they just didn't have the ability to comprehend the technology that they were seeing it. I think an excellent example. I think serves a good example concepts are those I'm gonna come by artifacts. Golden they look like space. Shuttles right found in South America. As an artist. I'll be the first one to say, I know that we have people have taken models of those. And just made them more and they fly they will the automatic. They're they're they're lifting body crafts, and we'll Suma forty five forty five degree angle pattern. If you just, you know, just as this former descent like our space shuttle used to and it's it's an artist I'll tell you for those artisans to be that they had very close to a physical object. I mean, and I would even say closer to touch it. What do you? What do you think Jason of the abduction phenomena tied to these UFO's? Well, and that's exactly where I'm back to come to. Thank you. You're you're thinking ahead of me, reading your mind. Exactly. Well, I it's a simple minded read. So. I have no doubt that anyone is great as you could do it. But let me let me tie this all together very quickly. You're right. The abductees are experiencing an event. And these abductees are being told these things they do tend to life talking about Jesus a lot in my experience. But what I will say is we always worked from the assumption. These creatures are telling the truth. With. It's very rarely assumed that they are actually lying to you. And the simple fact that matters. I there are over. I personally had two or three accounts where I've been able to help end abductions. In objection counters by converting them to Christianity. They were able through traditional know. This is the same thing you do to get rid of a demon almost like an extra schism exercise them you can into these. And they're over four hundred cows. I forget the name of the group off the top of my head. I had it written down in the book. But there is they have over four hundred accounts of people who are able to end the abduction event itself by calling the name of Jesus were were able to end years of torment by these creatures through these traditional Christian exorcists extra techniques. And that Bates in that begs the question, if these are truly just either inter dimensional creatures aliens that existed from another plane of existence another planet that and shouldn't necessarily work. And the fact of the matter is when you go through and you look at the literature, they these creatures when you get past what they're telling you. The accounts don't wind up with physical features. They light up with some with a supernatural being things that seem to want to tell you they have far more power than they really have. And when you when you read accounts of people whose lives have been tormented by years and years and years of these things you start to ask the question, if these are aliens there, so advanced they can travel thousands of light years to get here or been reality to come here. Why can't they do their job more humanely when they quote, unquote, abducted and experiment on us? I mean, heck right now, the with with some core form and a good pair of sneakers most, we perform experiments on people, and they'd never know it. But these things seem to which can have all this advanced technology in the superpowers can make people see things and can control their minds. They can't they their experiments are terrifying. And exceptionally painful on there. Victims, and that doesn't line up with the technology that technologically advanced society. It does. However, sounds very very similar to what a demon would wanna do. Well, that's true too. In these demons. We've heard many stories of some not too friendly ET's. Let me actually one more thing out. And which is that really the argument is in between. Let's say myself and someone who would argue that these are just ended initial beings. We're not arguing whether or not the the I like the term you go so nuts. I forget who who coined that. But I like the title, and it doesn't assume where they're coming from the UFO not. And the demons of old are the same beans is the same thing is that argument is not being is agreed upon by all parties. Right. Whether you're in ancient, astronauts, were me, we all agree on that. The question is where are they coming from? And why neither clear the same things in promoting money. When you have it needs to be thrown in there. That if these creatures respond to religious ordinance, and you know, I mean, putting up the ten commandments over your doorway should not keep out physical creature. But it keeps them out. Then that tells me that there's more that perhaps we're not looking at something that say in alien per se as incidents revolved on the planet, but this is an alien. I think you're right to say that all supernatural beings are inherently extra-terrestrial they are not of our planet our plane of existence. But it doesn't make some aliens. And the way that Star Trek would make wouldn't they make some alien to our universe. Good. Let's take some calls here that I wanna talk with you about your biblical research organization that looks into the paranormal as we take these calls to we go to Thomas and Sheboygan Wisconsin, welcome to the program. Hi thomas. Hi, george. How are you? Thank you. Yeah. Pretty good. Awesome. Why was talking new bible and I saw two chapters of the. Wheels one policy by living creatures one. And if you go. Hollywood angels the freezer a wheel. And I love. I agree. Firing yourself. Well, that's that's absolutely. You're you're breaking up a little bit at the end. But Jason the crux of that was can you explain Zeki wheel? What the heck was that? That is one of my favorites as scriptural versus when people talk about UFO's the bible in. Here's why the traditional ancient astronauts theory explanation for right would be something like a quad copter. Like, we see with a lot of drones where you have multiple propellers over like say landing four, and you have it your your in the center like imagine a drone, but with that's actually pilots by someone in the middle. And that at first glance sounds very similar to what is equal himself as describing. Yet. The problem is you to get the conclusion, you admit certain versus about the fact that these the wheels within wheels creatures been there with them can leave they can depart the throne, and they can come they can interact with with people they have faces. So for me, the the quads has never really worked in the other. The big issue with that is again, this is a craft it came from some other planet. It seems like there's a very low tech sort of vehicle to be riding around. And if you can if you can get here from another planet, you're not using propellers. But really the thing is when you describe when you go into biblical Hebrew. It is very clear that this that those wheels within wheels are not above these four beasts, so the Caribbean. This chair beam Carribean, and they're all Trump is semitic. World the wheels are actually beside the angels. They are off to the side the Caribbean arts are the thinking. You can do a lot of semitic texture or texts. We'll tell you that they are the pillars of heaven. They are the things that support the throne of God. Over the over the universe over the over the world. And as you know, you may have noticed again, astronomy sort of the thing of mine, I do a lot of my previous books with astronomy. I am not entire. I can tell you what the with those with the wheel is exactly I'm I'm happy to say. I don't know. But what I will say it is in my research there are there are several points about the creatures that seem very astronomically say they seem to to correlate very, particularly with with particular constellations that are scenario or the sun goes through. And if they do match very much with the twelve tribes of Israel. They all had standards or symbols that were also astrological or astronomical figures. And so I think there's a lot being there's a lot going on there. It's very complicated. And I haven't myself come to a to focus inclusion what I can't say though, is this is a vision that he's having. I don't think that he that. He's seeing a physio. Ical craft that shows up. I think what he's he's doing his best to describe what he is seeing. But this is a supernatural thing that make carry many many layers of textual, meaning that simple quad copter does not account for Dr Barry downing believes that these are definitely biblical related and demons. Yes. Yes. Do. And and like, I said, I I would I would even say that the argument really is not are the demons of the Old Testament and the New Testament and the UFO lots of today are they two different categories. And I would say the argument, isn't that? I think the argument is just there clearly the same creatures. But what are they are? They are they supernatural beings. And that there is a God had created humanity. Or are they again extraterrestrial beings that evolved in maybe a different plane of existence or another planet? That's the that's the nature of the argument..

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

05:41 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"But as far as the earliest thought from the color about the manuscripts of the old and New Testaments somehow being, you know, certain stories being eliminated. Kinda manipulator. There's good historic textual evidence that since we have a huge number of particularly New Testament manuscripts in multiple languages, and because of the small copying airs which actually stand in our favor in this case, they show independent minds of transmission. So that you couldn't really have a conspiracy theory of people destroying certain ideas, they didn't like in shaping the religion because you have independent lines of transmission proven by small small variations in the Texas show, kind of common descent or separate descent in in in this case. And so that is very much. Unlike other religions, where the text has been could've been reconstructed at a later time, and thus would undermine belief in that in that religion, so Christie Christianity has a very strong record historically saying because I'm not saying just because it's a religious text. But any text where you have it's independent lines of? Transmission and a commonality of what they're saying of what the text says well critical scholars can reconstruct a very close approximation of the original manuscripts. Which of course, we don't have. And that also shows that religion wasn't manipulated overtime. Kinda the Davinci code type stuff, which is a kiss until story that really doesn't have basis in scholarship. So is regarding your thoughts about you know. Life on other planets, again, it's it's kinda cool and fun to think about it. You know, look, God could have made life and other places. But when you look at the astronomical evidence and all the things that have to be just right? I mentioned a few others that I did mention earlier the right distance from the well the right distance from the sun, I mentioned, but the right orbital relations to large planets, the right kind of protection from being hit in a life destructive manner by space, objects like asteroids and comet the right kind of protection from harmful radiation, like the magnetic field lawn and on and on the number of things that have to be just right is getting longer and longer with each year. Yes, we're discovering more and more objects out there, more and more galaxies. But the list improbabilities are ultimately also multiplies you have to take both into account and not just go by the seat of the pants. Hey, so big gotta be a lot of out there. Michael Dr Barry downing has written a book I couple years ago called the bible and flying saucers. He's got. Got a PHD in physics, and he is a minister, and he believed that many of the things in the bible can be addressed directly towards extraterrestrial presence. He believes angels were aliens. For example. He believes that a flying saucer parted the Red Sea. What do you think of all that? Yeah. I think these are very very unlikely. They're very speculative interpretations of the text and. Look Herman, which is the science of interpretation whether it's religious text or not needs to be grounded in historical dramatical research historical background. And you know, again, I'm an expert in theory virtues theory virtues are the traits of a theory indicate likely truth. That's that applies to history applies. The science applies religion applies to anything. And so I have I'm very skeptical of these theories that are score score very low in these theory virtues, and I think that's one of them that you just mentioned, let's go and take another called trace in North Carolina. Welcome to the show. Hi trace how you guys doing? I have a question here. I guess for Michael. So you gods and like guys tax and whatnot and all the different deities, and they were you know, animals and whatnot right half human half animal and now they don't care meds and whatnot. Right. And I saw it. But somebody had said that, you know, there could be an extra special contact that kind of formed these religions, and this kind of people that they'll these structures the way that so many years ago. Without you know, the tools via today, vice planes, became reconstruct. Now, how's your thoughts on were on the paganism of? Surpassed right minutes ago before the break, Michael go ahead. Okay. Although I'm not a historian of technology. I have read enough about the history of technology know, that there are more plausible ordinary explanations. For like the pyramids. It doesn't require aliens. Was you know, great intelligence tutoring. Humans and stuff like that. Again. Those are fun stories to tell and make for great Sifi Stargate type story lines. But again, I'm a skeptic for rational reasons when it comes to a lot of these stories, and that's another one of those. I guess we're time for a break pretty soon. Pretty soon would would you be called a skeptic on almost everything? Well, again because my expertise in the philosophy of science is in theory virtues. It all depends on whether the particular theory measures up to you know, some of the traits of theories that indicate likely truth include evidential, accuracy, causal adequacy. Is there an adequate? 'cause you.

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"dr barry downing" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

06:30 min | 3 years ago

"dr barry downing" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"And of course, he's an expert in the history of scientists. And and literature he wants rotate regarding humans that those if we deserved redemption, we wouldn't need it the whole point of redemption, as you get undeserved favor from God, you know, simply accepted by faith that of course, faith, it's reasonable face because I mentioned the evidence for the resurrection. And so so that was kind of in response to well, you know, if humans are being too, proud of themselves just think that God would come to become incarnate on earth, and and live as Jesus in dying be raised again. But his point was it's not because of any merit. It's we might be some of the worst kids on the block. And that's why we needed salvation. But as far as the earlier thought from the color about the manuscripts of the of the old and New Testaments somehow being, you know, certain stories being eliminated and kinda manipulative later. There is good historic textual evidence that since we have huge number of particularly New Testament manuscripts in multiple languages, and because of the small copy errors which actually stand in our favor in this case, they show independent minds of transmission. So that you couldn't really have a conspiracy theory of people destroying certain ideas, they didn't like in shaping the religion because you have independent lines of transmission proven by small small variations in the Texas show, kind of common descent or separate descent in in in this case. And so that is very much. Unlike other religions where the text has been could've been. Been reconstructed at a later time and would undermine belief in that in that religion. So christi- Christianity has a very strong record historically saying because I'm not saying just because it's a religious text. But any text where you have independent lines of transmission and a commonality of what they're saying what the text says well critical scholars can reconstruct a very close approximation of the original manuscripts. Which of course, we don't have. And that also shows that they religion wasn't manipulated over time kinda Vinci code type stuff, which is a kiss until story that really doesn't have basis in scholarship. So is regarding your thoughts about, you know, life on other planets, again, it's it's kinda cool and fun to think about it. You know, God could have made life and other places, but when you look at the astronomical evidence and all the things that have to be just right? I mentioned a few others that I mentioned earlier the right distance from the well the right distance from the sun, I mentioned, but. The right orbital relations to the large planets, the right kind of protection from being hit in life destructive manner by space, objects like asteroids and comments the kind of protection from harmful radiation, like the magnetic field and on and on and on the number of things that have to be just right is getting longer and longer with each year. Yes, we're discovering more and more objects out there, more and more galaxies. But the list, the improbabilities are ultimately awesome multiplying you have to take both into account and not just go by the seat of the pants. Hey, so big gotta be a of out there. Michael Dr Barry downing has written a book I couple years ago called the bible and flying saucers. He's got a PHD in physics, and he is a minister, and he believed that many of the things in the bible can be addressed directly towards extraterrestrial presence. He believes angels were aliens, for example. He believes that a flying saucer parted the Red Sea. What do you think about that? Yeah. I think these these are very very unlikely they're very speculative interpretations of the text and look Herman addicts. Which is the science of interpretation whether it's religious text or not needs to be grounded in historical dramatical research historical background. And you know, again, I'm an expert in theory virtues theory virtues are the traits of a theory that indicate likely truth. That's that applies to history applied science religion applies to anything. And so I have I'm very skeptical of these theories that are score score very low in these theory virtues, and I think that's one of them that you just mentioned, let's go and take another call trace in North Carolina. Welcome to the show. Hi, trace. Hey, guys doing I have a question for Michael Jackson gods and like guys tax. And whatnot have different deities and they were animals and whatnot right, half human half animal. And now, they don't care meds and whatnot. Right. And I I saw it come. I had said that. No. There could have been extraterrestrial contact that kind of form these religions, and these kind of people that these structures away that built them so many years ago without you know, the tools today vice claims became reconstruct now. What your thoughts on? We're on. The titan is on the past right minutes ago before the break, Michael go ahead. Okay. Although I'm not a historian of technology. I have read enough about the history of technology to know that there are more plausible ordinary explanations for like the pyramid. It doesn't require aliens with, you know, great intelligence tutoring humans and stuff like that. Again. Those are fun stories to tell and make for great Sifi Stargate type story lines. But again, I'm a skeptic for rational reasons when it comes to a lot of these stories, and and that's another one of those. I guess we're time for a break pretty soon. Pretty soon would would you be called a skeptic on almost everything? Well, again because my expertise in the philosophy of science is in theory virtues. It all depends on whether the particular theory measures up to, you know, some of the traits have theories that indicate likely truth include evidential, accuracy, causal adequacy. Is there an adequate 'cause.

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