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"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

03:37 min | Last week

"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"On. My question and my challenge to you on that then is so what are you going to do to change it? In America, you can't change it. Right, no, I mean, this is the land of opportunity and invention of Ford and everybody else. But are you not concerned that the pilots the gettys, et cetera will create not competitors, but because of the scale, discrepancy, it will become a ghetto for conservative voices. Well, that's certainly a possibility. And that's one of the things that I think people have worried about with parliament, and so on. So one of the reasons why so far these platforms to an extent haven't been able to take out for instance Twitter is that people actually do like to take on the other side. You know, it's why it's sort of far occasionally watching Rachel maddow. I mean, you wouldn't want your television to be tuned into her all the time. But it is enjoyable to see somebody with a totally opposing point of view. And to an extent, as long as platforms like Twitter exist in their current form, they give people the opportunity to see people with totally different opinions and then sort of wrestle it out and wrangle it out. And it's true that there's a risk of a sort of ghettoization otherwise. But who knows something constructive will come from this? Same thing with rumble. Something constructive will come from this. There's no inevitability of the current tech platforms. And another just one other quick thing on this. It's taken a while for people to work this out, but a former employee at several of the major Silicon Valley firms put it best. And I quote this in the manners of crowds, some years ago, and he said, the business model of the tech platforms is based on the discovery that people are willing to correct other people's behavior for free. Yes. That is, every time you engage on Twitter with some idiot from the other side of your own side, you're falling out and you're telling them they're telling you you're an idiot. Every time you're doing that, nobody's getting paid for it. We're all spending our own free time doing it. And the only person that's getting rich of it are the tech lords. So people are also aware of that increasingly, I think, as well, we're in a period, as I've often said, like the period after the invention of the printing press, it took a very long time for the effect of guttenberg to be felt. We're feeling it much faster. But we're feeling it and we're using our feet and our senses to work it out. All I know is we shouldn't be working in our spare time for the tech overalls. Show me working for them for free, that's for sure. As I wrote to a few big major executives in a little private brief up the elections, by the way, guys, you know, you've got a market of about 74 million people if you wish to create an alternative social media platform that is a rather large market. We talk to the author of the madness of crowds. He's with the spectator you've got to follow him onto an at Douglas game Murray also Douglas Murray back with doubtless Murray after this break. We've all been there. You get out of the shower out of the bath, reach for the towel, and it's like sanding yourself down with a piece of cardboard. Why Mike lindell worked it out. They were importing towels from a broad adding softness and when you get home, it's just a con. Do what we've done order the incredible new my pillow towels made with American cotton right here in the United States. Soft and absorbent as long as you own them. The 6 piece set to bath towels to hand towels to.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:49 min | Last week

"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"Douglas, you talked about the disconnect. The year is now of the left and the media, which is, of course, the same. Being unable to deal with their mistake or their lack of understanding what was happening in the politics in 2015, 2016. So let me ask you, what are the scenarios for both the media and the left? Number one, as long as you have the Jeff Bezos of the world, drop a few billion here and there like they're buying a new picker knees. These things are vanity projects. The Washington Post is clearly a vanity project. Do market forces not apply, and they can do it forever. Or is there a moment of collapse? How long can the party the left, for example, be disconnected? How long can that disjunction between reality and that quote unquote political elite last before there's some kind of necessary self introspection or can they stretch it out forever? You know, you remember there was a famous law, Herbert Stein's law, Stein's law is things that can not go on won't. And it's a fine law, but often tweaked it slightly more cynical version is that in my experience, things that can not go on usually do. A moderate tweak there, Douglas, a moderate toy. It's an important one, though, isn't it? How many times have you I and many others looked at situations in government in the media and society and said, that just can't go on? And yet, you know, a few years later, you look back and you see that's what you said. And the thing in question is still going on, you know? Incompetence of this scale, that can't go on. And it goes

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How Long Can the Left's Disconnect From Reality Last?

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:49 min | Last week

How Long Can the Left's Disconnect From Reality Last?

"Douglas, you talked about the disconnect. The year is now of the left and the media, which is, of course, the same. Being unable to deal with their mistake or their lack of understanding what was happening in the politics in 2015, 2016. So let me ask you, what are the scenarios for both the media and the left? Number one, as long as you have the Jeff Bezos of the world, drop a few billion here and there like they're buying a new picker knees. These things are vanity projects. The Washington Post is clearly a vanity project. Do market forces not apply, and they can do it forever. Or is there a moment of collapse? How long can the party the left, for example, be disconnected? How long can that disjunction between reality and that quote unquote political elite last before there's some kind of necessary self introspection or can they stretch it out forever? You know, you remember there was a famous law, Herbert Stein's law, Stein's law is things that can not go on won't. And it's a fine law, but often tweaked it slightly more cynical version is that in my experience, things that can not go on usually do. A moderate tweak there, Douglas, a moderate toy. It's an important one, though, isn't it? How many times have you I and many others looked at situations in government in the media and society and said, that just can't go on? And yet, you know, a few years later, you look back and you see that's what you said. And the thing in question is still going on, you know? Incompetence of this scale, that can't go on. And it goes

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"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

03:18 min | Last week

"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"You know, what of the Democrats got to say now about migration? There's no reason why a left wing party can't get on top of migration. It's happened in Europe, certain left wing governments have been able to get in migration under control in Europe. There's no reason why it has to be a right wing issue. There's no reason why it shouldn't be a left win issue, in fact, a Democrat party issue that American laborers are losing their jobs or being undercut by foreign competition. There's no reason actually a right wing issue. It could be a left wing issue. And yet because the left and the centrists were not willing to make this acknowledgement, this turn. They just wasted their time and everybody else's. For years, and there's still no demonstration that they've learned from it. I think it's a great sadness for America as a whole. Yeah. I want to examine what the possible logical scenarios are for both the media and the left if they persist in isolating themselves in these cocoons. In the meantime, please follow this man at Douglas K Murray on Twitter, the website is Douglas Murray .NET. He has a new book coming. Number 8 will be coming out in April, but in the meantime, if you haven't read it, you have to. This man is a wordsmith. He is a truth teller. It is the madness of crowds. I'm Sebastian gorka. This is America first one on one if you enjoy this show. Don't just subscribe to the podcast on Spotify tag your Friends write a review and share it with those around you. This is the one of the few places where you get to get truly deep dive on the issues that matter. Back with Douglas one on one after these messages. You're listening to America first with doctor G if you haven't done so already, please join us for our trip later this year. It is the stand with Israel tour. The China virus made us have to cancel it last year, but we've got our new dates. They can't stop us. It is November 30th to December 9th. We are going to walk where our lord and savior walked the earth, even if you haven't, even if you have been to Israel before you haven't been with me and my colleague dinesh de Sousa, it will be the trip of a lifetime reserve your places today called 8 5 5 5 6 5 55 19 that's 8 5 5 5 6 5 55 19 or just go to stand with Israel tour dot com to secure your places today. You've had enough of being at home. You had enough of being told you can't travel, join us this November, stand with Israel tour dot com. Douglas, you talked about the disconnect. The year is now of the left and the media, which is, of course, the same. Being unable to deal with their mistake or their lack of understanding what was happening in the politics in 2015, 2016..

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Douglas Murray: There's No Reason Immigration Should Only Be a Right-Wing Issue

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

00:53 sec | Last week

Douglas Murray: There's No Reason Immigration Should Only Be a Right-Wing Issue

"What of the Democrats got to say now about migration? There's no reason why a left wing party can't get on top of migration. It's happened in Europe, certain left wing governments have been able to get in migration under control in Europe. There's no reason why it has to be a right wing issue. There's no reason why it shouldn't be a left win issue, in fact, a Democrat party issue that American laborers are losing their jobs or being undercut by foreign competition. There's no reason actually a right wing issue. It could be a left wing issue. And yet because the left and the centrists were not willing to make this acknowledgement, this turn. They just wasted their time and everybody else's. For years, and there's still no demonstration that they've learned from it. I think it's a great sadness for America as a whole.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

04:22 min | Last week

"douglas murray" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"Portions of the following program may contain prerecorded material. This is America first and here's your host doctor so bastion gorka. Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person to person, spreading and spreading, sickening some of them, but not all of them. And the ones that it doesn't stick and don't know they have it and then they give it even more people because they didn't recognize they were. All right, instead of the virus, being able to hop from person to person to person, potentially mutating and becoming more virulent and drug resistant along the way. Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus can not then use that person to go anywhere else. I can not use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people. That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this. I guess four years of Russia, Russia, Russia, and I have Donald Trump's tax returns, wasn't enough now it's if you're vaccinated, well, COVID just disappears, Rachel mad. I thought she was meant to be MSNBC's smart one apparently not. Welcome to your friends, you're listening to America first with me some action. This is one on one. This is where we go beyond the talking points beyond the sound bites, with somebody who knows of what they speak. And we give them an opportunity to go deep dive. Today, I feel very, very intimidated because on his bio. I know he's a good guy. He's a smart guy and he's got an accident that, you know, it's a little bit like mine, but he's published 7 books. I've only written three. It's a delight to have him with us. He is the author. Most recently of the madness of crowds from the spectator, Douglas Murray, welcome back to one on one. Hey, great to be with you Sebastian. And there are three books isn't so bad, you know. It's not bad going at all. Well, here I didn't realize until I got the final invitation. That's the only way you get onto C-SPAN for the two hour long interview as an author. That's their, you know, it's got to be threatened not to? Not one. It's like the holy hand grade of Antioch it must be three and we did that and it was quite a struck I was in the studio and I said, so what are you gonna talk about for now? No, no, no, no, Sebastian. It's for two hours. We're not gonna do that to you today. We would love to do that. Follow this man right now, Douglas Kane, Murray. Did you ever think the madness of crowds? Would actually be even more applicable Douglas now than when you wrote the book given what we have witnessed in the last two years when it comes to the coronavirus. You know, what I tried to do with that book was to lay out what I thought was the sort of vulnerability we had as a society. That we had becoming incredibly certain about things that actually weren't very certain. And at the same time, we'd become to doubt things that were very obvious. As I say in the matters of crowds, things that everyone knew yesterday suddenly became up for grabs. I give the examples. I endless things in the book. One, which is just kept on happening is, you know, until yesterday, if you said, what is a woman, everybody could answer you? Everybody on Planet Earth could answer you now. The smartest, as it were, most over educated imbeciles in the world. Say, well, what is a woman? That's a really tricky one. That's a tough one, right? How many? Yeah, absolutely. So these sorts of things were already in the atmosphere, you know? And then Corona has come along. And I think it's just added to that just madness. And what you've just shown, that clip of Rachel matter absolutely speaks to the point of it..

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Author Douglas Murray's 'The Madness of Crowds' Is More Applicable Today Than Ever Before

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:08 min | Last week

Author Douglas Murray's 'The Madness of Crowds' Is More Applicable Today Than Ever Before

"Do that. Follow this man right now, Douglas Kane, Murray. Did you ever think the madness of crowds? Would actually be even more applicable Douglas now than when you wrote the book given what we have witnessed in the last two years when it comes to the coronavirus. You know, what I tried to do with that book was to lay out what I thought was the sort of vulnerability we had as a society. That we had becoming incredibly certain about things that actually weren't very certain. And at the same time, we'd become to doubt things that were very obvious. As I say in the matters of crowds, things that everyone knew yesterday suddenly became up for grabs. I give the examples. I endless things in the book. One, which is just kept on happening is, you know, until yesterday, if you said, what is a woman, everybody could answer you? Everybody on Planet Earth could answer you now. The smartest, as it were, most over educated imbeciles in the world. Say, well, what is a woman? That's a really

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"douglas murray" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

WLS-AM 890

06:44 min | 1 year ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

"Douglas Murray earlier this year. That was Mary. Thanks so much for joining the bench appear show Sunday special. It's great to see you from afar. So let's let's begin with what is the situation with covered 19 abroad? So obviously in the United States, all attention has been on how the United States has been handling this thing has been a lot of controversy over and written about the original handling of covered 19 and then the sort of shift from a Swedish model to a more lockdown model, and now they're opening up the lockdown. What exactly was the chain of events that occurred in Britain? Well, first. It's great to be with you, Ben on de so you could do it in person. But, yes, I'm here in the UK on. We're having very much the same conversations you're having there did the same conversations going on in every country the moment it's true that the British government changed its tactics early on its strategy, but by largely government has had good public support for this. There are some interesting developments have been going on. I mean, the first of them. Is the fact that it seems that the earliest projections, particularly from Imperial College of what we're expected to be, the mortality rate says it's nothing like it. That's a go so far. And I suppose the fall out from that here already is the debate this now emerging between the people saying Well, it was never going to be like that on the ones were saying what it's only like that because of the precautions that we've all taken by locking ourselves in our houses. Um you know it Z strange here in the UK I have to say, because we don't really have the pressure that is clearly mounting there in the U. S. Off people saying, Look, we just this isn't sustainable. In fact, the polling in the UK suggests a quite a significant percentage of the British population quite like lockdown would like to see it. Go on. There's only 28% wanted to go on. Even if all of the conditions the government to set for lifting it. I met So I don't know about those 28%, either. They're very scared, very worried or really lazy and love getting most of their salary without the tedium of having to go into the office. Why do you think that is it? It's been fascinating to watch. This has turned very political in United States really, really quickly on some of that may be because the United States is such a large country territorially and obviously their vast differences. Between New York City and the rest of the country, but hasn't broken down along political lines, the pressure to to either lockdown or to end blocked and he sort of suggest that there's been a lot more consensus about policies. Why do you think there is that difference? It's interesting Britches has bean in recent years seemed to be very life America that is, we've been repeatedly told were divided society and divided along specific political lines. Now in the UK, there is lines were pro or anti Brexit on. But of course, that pretty much was solved at the end of January year when Britain left the European Union finally, so We've We've got a fairly united front in this particular crisis at the moment in a way that I think America doesn't because in America, not least because you got an election coming up. This crisis seems to me to be being seen inevitably, through the prism off. What do you think about Donald Trump? And do you want to re elected so mercifully, we haven't had quite that sort of clear divide that you've got going on there between people who'd like to use the Corona virus to get Donald Trump out of the White House, and they would like to use it to keep him in. Said. But there are this certainly the beginnings of a type of line emerging competition emergency, he said, which is the same one that we're gonna have everywhere, which is the very significant tension that is emerging between the people saying we have to keep people particularly elderly, who are most vulnerable to the virus safe and those saying, We just can't go on with this forever. The British government is currently borrowing at levels that are higher than ever any time since the second world. War on DSA. Some of us myself included. Think that this is very unwise arranger reasons, one of which is the point of running up. The dead of the second World War was because this was something that was never going to be needed again, something it would never happen again. We hoped I don't think anyone gets say that with this virus. I think we are mounting up unbelievable levels of debt on doing so to tackle something which is quite like it happened again, Certainly in our lifetimes. When you look again that political debate one of the things that that I wonder, is whether that exposes not so much the difference between left and right friends nationally as the difference between perhaps the American right in the British right, meaning that the European right has been for a very long time, a lot more friendly to the idea of a massive social safety net. Even the conservative Party in Britain isn't talking about dismantling the National health Service in the United States. Obviously, the Republican Party has been very much against the federal government getting deeply involved in the economy, providing the sorts of Financial guarantees that the European governments to fairly regularly does that really expose the difference between sort of the differences between European writing in America, right? Yeah, I think that is true. The British and European right long ago made their peace with the welfare state, in a way, which I think is that isn't the case. Obviously, in the U. S. The same extent the conservative party at the moment, I mean the eyes in a very inside position. It has become the party of the National Health Service. Now the Labor Party, the left wing party here in the UK has tried for years to win. Actions by saying every time we've only got X number of days left to save the NHS, you know, if you vote conservative, they will dismantle privatize whatever the NHS. I've heard that all my life. I've got three days to say within the last two years, one day and two hours. That's what they always say. Andre Here we see it's incredible moment where the concert is not only being more than adequately funding the NHS but but cannot possibly be accused of being anti the national health service. At the moment, you know, every minister turn Was up the press conferences with an NHS badge on their lapels. I mean, they've got it written on them on day and so I think that critique of the left is gonna be hard to sustain. It has an obvious down downfall, doesn't it? Which is when the Conservative Party simply has doing anything? The NHS asks satisfy every demand because it's become so much on hawk to it now. I mean, there are there are problems here because the NHS does some things well, does some things badly. You know, it's It's a service. Not a day. If you But under this government in this crisis inevitably has become a sort of deity, and that's gonna have problems down the road. So in your book, the strange death of you if you talk about all of these sort of fragmenting elements that have been happening in Europe for years, and it feels like the pandemic has really exacerbated a lot of these problems. Obviously, there were they're serious that problems in a lot of countries in Europe before this Idea of sort of a unified economic blocked and make a lot of sense when Germany was footing the bill for Greece, and when it comes to immigration. Obviously, there were serious underlying problems with the idea that every country was gonna have completely permeable borders..

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Born This Way Is Old Science

The BreakPoint Podcast

04:33 min | 1 year ago

Born This Way Is Old Science

"The confirmation hearings for Judge Amy, CONYBEARE IT Senator Maisy. Hirano of Hawaii expressed outrage and shock that the nominee would use the term sexual preference instead of sexual orientation sexual preference announced senator. TORONTO. Is An offensive and outdated term used by anti lgbtq activists to suggest that sexual orientation is a choice. It is not after the Exchange Merriam Webster which apparently like most Americans had not gotten that Nemo with these new linguistic absolutes quickly changed the definition of sexual preference in its online dictionary. To, indicate that this wording is now offensive who knew we'll beyond the orwellianism of the literally changing the dictionary to support a political climb. It seems that Senator Hirano is the one who's actually behind the Times on this whole sexual orientation versus Sexual Preference Issue According to Dr Glenn Stanton, and then outstanding new article at public discourse. Judge Barrett's terminology is actually more in line with the latest thinking of leading gender scholars for example, Professor Sorry Van Anders at candidates Queens University has stated that. Quote sexual orientation as a term is increasingly seen as regressive because it belongs to the bio centralist project translating to English. What she saying is that the word orientation suggests that sexuality is hard wired and according to Professor Anders that's just not the consensus anymore among her peers though the whole born this way claim was once a very useful slogan to advance gay rights it no longer serves the goals of the LGBTQ. Movement years ago for instance, two scholars at Ucla question the concept of. Sexual. Orientation especially for women to instead that women's sexuality and Orientation Fluid Changeable over time and variable across social context other social scientists that Glenn Stanton quotes in his public discourse Article Call For a paradigm shift in how female sexuality is studied and described, and there've been plenty of surveys indicate that most self identified lesbians will have relationships with men. At some point. There's also a more obvious problem with the idea of a fixed orientation that's found in the very initials of the acronym especially the. Be The queue of lgbtq as political commentator Douglas Murray who identifies as gay by the way rights bisexuals continued to be viewed as some kind of betrayal from within the gay community gay men tend to believe that men who claim to be by are in fact, gays in some form of denial yet according to a pew research report from last summer bisexuals account for almost half of all LGBTQ adult in the US in fact, the authors of a new book published by Harvard University Press. Think. That male bisexuals are those who call themselves mostly straight vastly outnumber exclusively gay men. Thus they conclude the old system of gay straight or BI has as stanton puts, it outgrown its usefulness and even bigger challenge in the B. to the born. This way dogma is the T- gay rights and gay marriage were sold to us. The premise that homosexuality is hard wired maybe even genetic like race but anyone claiming transgender as an identity does. So in spite of physical and genetic realities not because. Of them and the CUE which usually stands for questioning well, that continues to evolve in both meaning and practice to include more and more sexual preferences as an identity. Well, one wonders whether Senator Horon would feel compelled to lecture the various social scientists that Glenn Stanton sites. In this article my suspicion is she wouldn't in fact, my suspicion is that Senate Arana was fed this talking point by an aide who's checking twitter and saw it as an opportunity to tar and feather judge Barrett as. A big what's ultimately revealed by her political posturing awoke language policing however is crucially important for all of us to now that phrases such a sexual orientation or sexual preference or whatever. The latest nomenclature are terms made up not to describe reality but to advance the idea that has revolutionized. So much of our culture on politics that sexual attraction and urge define and determine who we are. That's the idea we can never embrace even if we're facing outrage from a senator

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"douglas murray" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

02:49 min | 1 year ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

"Like that's not I a championing of of the Maine's standing up to tyrannical governments. Another one world's look up your left wing activist sisters. Julian assange is back in town in a trump for accused ripest everywhere the Swedish prosecutors Blah Blah Blah mean that doesn't sound like it's going to be a positive Julian assange clearly those journalists and another one here and favor. Maybe Julian assange is doing God's work. Maybe he's doing Putin's work maybe both maybe neither I certainly know commentators law blah. So that was spectacular strategy which. The the beginning of three articles. The whole stick is about standing up to tyrannical governments and freedom loving individuals. I find it strange that they died support Julian assange even in the UK Douglas Murray. Julian. Assigned is one of my best enemies from powder was hatred of their side. So, why is it? Look. You know people who write for the spectator any. So called conservative commentators. Are Not made in a mold. You know they each have their own independent thought processes dare say some of them probably do support assange I'd I'd have not just couldn't. I just couldn't find an article that was supportive in Australian but that's kind you know one look. One or two days if you could find a positive article for me. In The spectator Australia The spectator UK not spectator us because the spectator us does actually have a positive. Yes. But you go on I'm interested to know why these bastions of libertarianism are not supportive of man who stood up to. And fairly unsavory work by. A. Number of governments just. Seems strange when they. Talk about dictated Dane and how we don't have an opportunity to sons doesn't have political power whereas dictator Dan does but it's really surprising. The principle of supporting him I would thought would Bain right in their wheelhouse surprised by dined if you dig deep enough this, you'll find some people would support us. Yeah but some would just can't find any in that title win or think they should sign with. The other example, all you're going use. Julian assange course. Have you seen his on the parliamentary list of supporters for such? Yes it is George soon..

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"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

John Anderson: Conversations

07:22 min | 1 year ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"Really enjoy Major but those are very below the other thing that I think you said it before it was a great challenge if what do we do just encourage the flow. Because he's back into a bag had wayne courage really good men and women we have. We have quite a few of them in Australia but we need to pay a hand up for the most notable of all public service positions is of Representatives. So the cried but someone believe me if we get this right as cynicism will become a self fulfilling prophecy him we is leading well. The is a two way process. The fast is the demands people to step forward themselves and the second is the imams the public to have if an attitude towards B. We agree the game a cash to the mountains and say and then pummel them or take one example the gaff in the gaff which people are found to be guilty of very often again Is saying something true which are not meant to said? Well how about? We just haven't agreement that when somebody says something true they are not be punished for it. That's a good place to start and the press and the public that in our hands you know. It's in our hands not look at another one. The U-TURN we've all seen this in recent days have been Thad self-appointed virologists who were previously just tax. You know who who say. Oh My Gosh. The government is you turn. When did the youth come in this? I if I can tell you Dr Village for an straight into a wall I stop and I do a u-turn. It's it's not it's again. It's not morally always determined move. It's perfectly reasonable maneuver. In the face of certain circumstances. It isn't government has so-called U-TURN. It isn't sign of imbecilities necessarily might be very wise. It might say these games as a played in the letter imposed on it. How about we you know. I have confidence in the British government. I have confidence in Australian government and I have. I have confidence that if they change their mind on something in a difficult area in unprecedentedly complex situation you know it isn't because eighth Turned or shown themselves to be in some way malign but simply that they're trying to do their best in a horrible situation and that we should have a degree of tolerance and say it is just the reciprocal thing between online and the politics On the wider issue. I think flip dedicated a time like this. This is this is a deep moment drawers reset at the very beginning on our reserves. I I think Something that Strand said his students Chicago I think it was on the death of Winston Churchill when the announcement came of the death Winston Churchill and I actually just pulled out the reference. I go to in front of me. He's Strauss said on the occasion of Churchill's death. He said he said we have no higher duty. And no more pressing duty Lynch remind ourselves and our students of political greatness of human greatness of the peaks of human excellence that we have the moment in our self isolation an opportunity to demoralize ourselves own opportunity to among other things re moralize ourselves. We have the opportunity to wallow in self pity all to dig deeper and to do better and You know I think that all of our countries have deep wells that we can draw upon Australia has an exception leagues extraordinarily deep. Well of people thinkers an incredibly rich tradition which it can drawer on a tradition in literature and art and much more. Maybe we could use these days meaningfully by reengaging with that. You know we've just been talking about Roger Scrutiny but another friend of mine who died since we last spoke a less New Pretty well. Taking in recent years with Clive. James and I adored clive and My life alone. A feast a library books and the mortgage and deep thinking as well as he's perhaps better known for which is his incomparable. Huma and ability to make life happier You know this is another great great person. Great figure and you know you can have a wail of time as well as a very very significant time in the coming days if you just reached the shelf and got some of. Clive's books off you know and then so many others around clean coal so I suppose what I think is less. Let's uses time. Well Andrew Drool well upon it. Well thank you very much for that. Because in Census. Sasha wanted to talk to you tonight we to use opportunity. The circumstances are provided with might be to do some hard thinking because they'll be be decisions to be night at the end of we're GONNA rock paper. Latest strove sincerely hope you do get to a strategy in an autism future sincerely plenty of people get the heat what you got the site including particularly those people have to lead us. Four out of the Car Malaya's an enormous pleasure inversely and to you John Take. Yeah you've been listening to John. Anderson Direct for further content visit John Anderson Dot net dot a U..

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"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

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16:27 min | 1 year ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"You're listening to John. Anderson direct featuring Douglas Murray. Please note that John Anderson Direct is recorded live via online streaming which means that sometimes the audio quality is less than optimum. Thank you very much indeed for your time with us in Emma and tremendous reception amongst the big old excess accusations in this country to what you had decides which travelled farm law but the risen quickly from the Tremendous Company and Greg Compensations is at in that show. Time has changed beyond belief Celebrating celebrating the extraordinary reception of your madness crowds in which he talked about the way we up to end the stool liberalism and we're trying to create a society on some very unstable at Upton legs of that stool had braids raging but since they added. The whole outlook is completely changed. Fully lift was made an election which produced an extraordinary results. But we now have something. That's changing the way we live in the short term and likely to mess of the older guides ahead along will do the permanent damage. I think the Global Liberal Andhra economic future and sadly the other thing. I'd love to touch on this very good friend of yours loss to us all cerro description but if we could counted corona virus. I can you give us a European perspective. A what's happening in particular London and across your yes. It's was speaking. I think you know pretty early still in this crisis time in which the seriousness of it has now become clear. I think everybody everybody advice. Wool number of of people The government by some countries has had to take extraordinary measures. And we've seen announcements that. I think most of us would not expect to all is a by MRS telling everybody over the eighty seven thousand homes Future encouraging no more than two people the gallery in any one place encouraging also keep a distance from each other societies and much more and and these are things which very few people with thinking about until a few weeks ago. I'm extremely reluctant to make any pronounce occasions on it And remain silent on the whole issue because I do believe in expertise and there are a relatively small number of people who have spent a lot of time in their lives studying and Iris. By all in I think that these at these moments Mon So incredible testing Ahmad Things for society and they all the moments when we not only have to acknowledge humility and recognize that humility but drawer upon what reserves. We have and by that I mean the reserves of resilience and courage and fortitude and more which will be among the only things that will make sure we get through a crisis like this as very liberal. It most of us can do other than follow government advice. The scientists advice some people decide they would light cavalry with that and as I say. Hold themselves out as having some. Alvis petits or some people are still of course still fighting political battles Through the prism of coronavirus pro and a Pro. I feel office context saying the certain degree of contempt. Because a moment this is when everything changes and we get to remember what it seek fixture internal one. Motari citizens can do. Stay calm and carry on this. I think the past who is actually put up rounding boom but we will so what set of England in the style of the forties. Massive cultural changes that have taken place since. Then you've just on how much of that resilience that willingness to pull together in the face of across you think Can still be drawn out in Great Britain did I will. We'll see like with every country. I have tiny Feeling which I I try to Abacha way of the feeling of sort of In a way pleasure seeing A cliche I we will keep calm. Carry a sort of aggravating cliches nation to think of itself as having because I thought for a long time it's had been slipping away. Shall we say I think that Britain is no different from any other country in away? We'll we'll see. I say as Australia will what what personal resilience who's like but it's it's it's not getting the easy for people because there's such a degree of Pacific about it. There are lots of things we should not do but it's it's very harmful on people know what they can do. Enormous cruelties of that. This virus the cruelty of Encouraging people to be basically wary suspicious of other people having to distance ourselves on neighbors Rather than Dirk laced them The horrible thing which many of us have had moved all parents and their children not being able to touch each other to hug each other. These are these a meaningful personal cruelties. And we will have to find a way to get through. That and I would suggest that one way to do so is to put it in a kind of historical perspective and to say if this is A great test or even the great tests of this age than we should consider ourselves relatively lucky because it hasn't come about through having to kill people and it hasn't come out through wars come about through something which commits us to a passivity bottles demands resilience of us which I rise to like everyone else. It has been I should say I just add. One thing has been enormously to see people across the world particularly for me. I'm from across the continent of Europe. having to do things which they just were not expecting ever have to do in their lives and people celebrating the people who are showing resilience in that you know. The people actually have suffered greatly in recent weeks greatly and the thing that we want to talk about do talk about rightly is not just the suffering but the heroism which they've shown it's mostly she services no medical solve but also people you know it's it's videos of the. Italians standing on that balcony singing the gone around the world. And that's that's the those are the things to hold onto. I think understand what you're side actually. Despite the fact that way Pinson unfortunately imagery news school of as that Ab- roll of toilet pipe in the supermarket had become a front page story in the Scandinavian newspapers. And that's pretty impressive. Added perfected police. What is happening in some quarters strategy of of all countries need? Not Worry about supply and stuff. Cnn Mums all of Britain's sufficient in food is remarkable for a seventy nine in paper lung area. That's about the same as the victory once represented in the central problem straight might Will the.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

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14:52 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"Everything of Christianity from uh-huh earlier or other sources. You can get almost everything. Christianity of Jesus teachings from the ancient Greeks A lot of the wisdom is very what is the thing that is totally revolutionary. About what Jesus says it's the commandment to love your enemies if that is a an demonstrated in Christian belief But I'm actually dying for. He was dying for. This is this is. This is a world historical change of a command. The demands Monday world historical change. My own view of this is that it is possible in individuals on occasions with exceptional exceptional grace and that it that it is almost impossible for most people most of the time but the the commandment to to do that God at the very least rains in the worst of our nature knowing how we should behave. Ideally means that we can to step back from the west of ourselves which we know in tears. This is an easy to replicate without its foundational claim claim which is a foundational claim. The claim made within Christianity. It's what I quite strange death of Europe German Jurists jurist Balkan Ford. Who Pose this question? The ninety sixties Cana- society can't -ociety the short version of his of of his Challenges kind of society continue in the same manner if the thing that gave the source to the society is itself now off off and as I say strange death of Europe. Possibly for a time when you're running on the the fumes still yeah that invocation Candidate sustain forever. No because if you don't if you don't I believe in the driving force of it then once the people who did believe it have died out. You're you're still going on a memory of it and then that dies out so this is a very big challenge. And it's a challenge which I think the intersection lists social justice warriors and so on have knowing thing me or otherwise recognized which is why they're trying to dig in new metaphysics fast the metaphysics of LGBT women race CETERA. And I am absolutely convinced that this book is right. That cannot sustain a free functioning workable society. Just isn't it's hopelessly inadequate to the task. Hopefully hopelessly inadequate divisive and doesn't provide very much meaning So so here's here's here's the big big challenge and I wish I could get more people to think about this. I given the chapter on forgiveness in the madness of crowds. You know. Am I'm a challenge. which is we live in the most unforgiving era that history could ever have known because we live in an era in which action in the world has had an errand puts sit in the S if as I quote lesser has merely fifties action? The world was always our biggest problem as human beings because we could never do our actions. And we always knew that it's it's one of the main catastrophes as being human. Yes we didn't know how words will reverberate. We didn't our actions were right and we can never undo them. Never what's the only mechanism is on. Aaron said what's the only mechanism we came up with. Tried to deal with this terrible catastrophe strategy. It's forgiveness or something like forgiveness mechanism to try to undo the undoable thing. Yeah now nobody societies today spend any time thinking about forgiveness at the moment in history when acting in the world has never been more precarious risk. Where a young person can tweet story that lie that Yup where they modern burning Bernie state and it can happen dance? A I love this photo face by giving samples terrible pitiful examples of and that's why I resent the the looking the looking to millennials and after his being snowflakes or you said they've got a they've got a very good reason to be worried and to be tiptoeing like never before because say the wrong thing whichever ones only agreed is the wrong thing twenty four hours ago. And you're toast you're over. You may not ever get a job. You're online forever for the you're stuck with a worst joke. Your worst photograph only slipped. We thank goodness grew up in an era before this where we could make mistakes and they weren't with us forever so there's two aspects of that really has figured this forgetting and Rabbi Jonathan Sacks observed that with the abandonment of the main source of the concept off forgiveness and endocrine systems that we practice it to the best of our ability and that we looked to it for relief when we know. We've done the wrong thing in society Judeo Christian Jones with its loss. It's washing up to the I said to him. Well what happens when that's gone. He said when you have to hope that people will forget about the social social media makes that impossible so you have neither forgiveness nor the capacity to forget pretty devastating for young devastating situation. I'm very sympathized. Young people growing up. They need a lot of help and advice and can love. I think to try to get through this and the adults have disproportionate duty to help them. I mean they always did but they especially now so the adults should be careful About joining joining in the retributive era. Here's the other thing the bigger point if I may which is we don't know exactly what we're doing. Maybe we never did. But it's worth trying to think of US your onset nuance of a lot of people. Is We knew what we were doing till not long ago. So why don't we as we're going through this unbelievable believable fog them. Why don't we remorse ourselves? Remorse also to origins Jin's in religion. Faith that's that's one onset by the way it's so striking that answer so he's not given by the churches themselves. I mean the believable exceptions with some honorable exceptions but by and large the the the bishops seventy nine became comedian. Web Auspicious. Welby was once again this week. Discussing Brexit In a society where the Archbishop's talk about Brexit and awful lot not very much about the resurrection. The church that one of the last places places you'd go for Christianity that's terrible terrible letdown by the churches decided in large part to jump on the bandwagon of the day. Jump on green to jump on social justice issues and so in the beliefs masculine Christianity if you might captive to the rining culture ultra yes and and one of the reasons why people flee but the churches at any rate should and those who follow the teachings of the church should I think much more distinctly say. There's a reason why we hold onto this and there's a reason why we think it'll be good for you as well now. All sorts of reasons I've written about my my last book vision being a believer myself a lot probably first office. I described as a believer in belief. And suddenly you're beneficiary of elements of it. I think that those who are in a position I am in on this also have a lot of work if not a lot more worked do and particularly for and with young people on this because we all have the same questions we always had as a species. We tried to work out. What the Hell it is doing have we? We don't really believe we're just a collection of atoms do we. I don't think we do. I think there's something very instinctive in us. I one shorthand is safe. This is if you if you said to me well as a consumer Douglas and I said well sure I mean I'm a AH bitings Cosima but but there's a bit more to this a bit more. I said Justice says more to myself in that as you do as we all do. And that's why we think we're a collection of atoms right. We don't we don't live if we're merely the thing we have. We are in a very deep sense in which ourselves know something about ourselves. We find it extremely hard to communicate but we know it and this instinct is to the generation growing up now in the West. This instinct stink is only being spoken to by people saying okay this death meaning but you can find it you can find it an endless retributive wards For Justice Issues on smaller and smaller minority points so you will find meaning in the world by insisting that the big bid guy with a penis can win the women's weightlifting competition all the people that say otherwise bigoted gopher at guys now at the end of this process. There is a presumption that there was the presentation that somehow we get to utopia within our lifetimes. uh-huh you type. You is grasp and it looks like total equality for everyone all the time and even if we got there and I I would submit that whenever we never could seems can be better but that never gonna get that even if we did. What do we do? Then we're still stuck with the same questions Christians about ourselves for ourselves and I have some aunts that some suggestions for that which largely rely on suggests into people that we should live the lives? We recognized be good lives until yesterday and lives of meaning can be found in the twenty first century. Not with great ease with significant. Challenge was awful lot of work a lot of commitment but they can be achieved and deep meaning can still be found but the first thing people need to do is to realize that it cannot be found in the things that are being offered and so in away. What I've tried to do as a matter of crowds is to say again to take apart this senior being offered to show you why it isn't going to work? I'm doing that because I want to. Then say do something better with your. Life's what is better almost anything often this but get off this. Get off this foster. Waste a minute more of your life on this on working out where you are in a hierarchy on working out when you have a right to speak or think or how privileged you have privilege you are compared to the person beside you or the person to your left. You're right in front of you and where you're to speak and way allowed to think and don't spend a minute longer doing this game this unwinnable horrible game because we live in an era of history where we could do so much. We have accessed information that we never dreamt ripped off from your grind up. I can I can get to the source of any book at a clicker press of a button. We can save so much time we can get access to so much. If you're smart person anywhere in the world in the developing world or the developed than you have access to youtube and Google you can do. Miracles ancestors collectively could never have don so why spend time during the retribution privilege game. Why not work out what we should be doing and start doing it now that I don't think you could finish on a more important nights? I.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

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14:12 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"It's not enough that that these people choose not to eat the chicken nuggets at this place. You mustn't either. And they mustn't serve chicken nuggets. And they must close well even if the family who run chick fillet of most opposed hosed to gay marriage ever I still think if some people want to eat their chicken nuggets they should have the damn right to do so but that that instinct is not out there in the social justice is time. It's not just that they want the thing. They don't want you to do the thing. I ought to have the right to do the thing. Because only by total decimation of their enemies can they win. That isn't liberalism now. In any interpretation of time any interpretation on and how does it fit with the insistence of guys in America for example but also we say this in Australia that you know the the bike issue the vikings waiting TYCO and I know you cannot possibly exercise your conscience If a gay couple want a wedding cake you you must provide it. Has It fate with the right on the side to close a business down because it has a different perspective talked about going back to the courage issue. Maybe these people are all just incredibly cowardly lazy. Maybe that's what's going on. It's quite easy to say. I refuse to eat my chicken nuggets at that place in reading. That's quite easy. I'm GonNa have spent all my life ducking eating chicken nuggets and reading. I can keep doing if I want. But if you think that's the main issue in that rights issue it means among other things you can avoid the hard ones well. Here's a harder one. There are still dozens of countries in the world. where it's illegal to be gay? They're still around a dozen countries where you can be executed for Ping game. If you're gay rights activists might not be a place to start might in that it might not be one closer to the boat as it happens I Serbis meant say anything at all Praising him but as it happens Donald Trump has said he wants to make this a priority. It should be he is his administration is looking at trying to stop the countries which still make being gay illegal from doing so they can tie it to aid and all sorts of the things that strikes me as being a very good laudatory gay rights move. Let's let's try to make sure that there's nowhere in the world you get hanged engdahl stone for being gay. It's also for many individuals a bit of a hard one. Why well it means you have to make a value judgment means you have to to say? Actually I think the way we do things in society is better than the way they do in that society well imperialism deep cultural imperialism. Who you to say that? They shouldn't shove the wall on the gays and again much of the lazy cowardly social justice movements. Pretend they're incredibly brave. Don't want to get into that run an awfully long way very fast power seems to be at the heart of a lot of this new if I can put it this way anger the desire to operate everything. Why is it that we don't see the pursuit of path for the ugliness cities I mean acton was surely right we should be warier? Pat It does corrupt absolutely patent does tend towards absolute corruption. We don't I seem to value things. I love hominy community turning the other cheek forgiveness they seem to be under ruthless attack. As belonging to an era we despise which enjoyed a Christian conception consensus in terms of the way we viewed the world. Neither one of the striking things about going to society's radically different from your own and why hi it's worth doing is because it can wipe you of some of your presumptions. About what the natural state of mankind is you know. A lot of people in countries like Australia. who think that? For instance loving your neighbor is the natural default default condition of people have an awful shock coming to them not just in their own countries. Of course nobody can entirely up to that. Very strenuous come on but in all sorts of countries and societies around the world where people act acting behaved differently with a state of nature's ways is is different from off societies put a premium or did put a premium. I'm in the past as you mentioned earlier. CRICKETER example on magnanimity in victory for instance humility and defeat or graciousness in in defeat. Ma Things these are not the natural defaults. These are learned behaviors learned because there was a deep undertow beneath the told. Hold you that these things were worthwhile. Charity for instance is not the state of nature of mankind which had let alone charitable people. You haven't even met very unlikely to meat. He's learned. Behavior taught behaviors from a very specific tradition. That isn't to say the other traditions don't have elements with themselves. They do they have versions of it. But our societies today have become fixated in the post Christian era. have become mm fixated on power as the primary dynamic and understanding mechanisms human society. My view is as I say. Pot this book. I think this is a really deeply perverted way to look at society where we interpret interest groups and others forever scurrying to achieve power and we entirely ignore what for most of US remain. The more potent drive is not lives. If you say to somebody what drives you wouldn't have the average person Melbourne said. What drives is you? If they said POW you'd step away slowly more likely they would say something along the lines lines of love my family friends. They might have a wider group of people. They express that towards community town Civic Pepsi Nation. They wouldn't say power now the reason why. Hi We're talking about. This is among other things because it's a more embarrassing. A key thing to talk about the power to purely look a power dynamics of men men powerful over the women are white people powerful over people of Color and so on and so on Ad Infinitum. Is it slightly easier to do than talk about the flip flip side of that which is love forgiveness charity and more and I think conservatives have been bad about talking about some of this as other people have Conservatives in recent decades have to a great extent for the point of that philosophy is to talk about the marketplace and economics and leave the rest. That's been a disaster in a disaster. One thing that border time I I'm. I'm reviewing a book at the moment in which he an economist is bringing About the collapse of Lehman. And when you actually. His thesis is essentially that the abandonment of the classic virtues prudence integrity courage sound inside fourth. was what led to that fruitfulness. In other words the abandonment of morality has disastrous economic outcomes and conservatives have have bond lodgements status. I think those who might have been classic liberals are now smaller Libertarians Bond. Lots have missed it as well. Short termism and by right into the hands ends of those who disliked capitalism in the first place. Yes I mean. Well there's been I mean because the capitalism is produced a better assists than any other system. We know of course doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws within it. One of the floors always has been Short termism is white y family the businesses can offer be so successful because as you know the If you were to raid the whole thing strip it presents a false version of itself that you're going to suffer for it. There's a phenomenon. I've often noticed of family. Businesses this is for instance ending up in the hands of outsiders who squeeze maximize profits because they want to run off quite shortly afterwards and having having made their pile conservative approach to this small c conservative prices. My other things but say but this is A. This is an immoral thing to do you in itself. Because it's not your right to simply squeeze the value that's been accumulated by others. Run Away with it and then allow it to collapse laps. That's not a decent thing to do there by the way there are versions of this. I'm sure there are an Australian have been public versions of people who are now being shamed that kind of behavior and is very advocates. I think is a positive step People like Philip Green who asset stripped two major high street chain him based. Yeah but it's a terrible thing that's happening and it's there's a sense in which it starts the one back freedom so we had a commission of inquiry into Royal Commission of inquiry into the banks and the financial sector in Australia. Reveal some terrible behavior to be fair OUGHTA PEOPLE BEHIND VERY decently and I get tired of the same brush but nonetheless as a massive problem and the reaction is people. Say Oh thank heavens. We had the Royal Commission of inquiry. Now we can have seventy eight new sets. It's of the pieces of legislation more surveillance more monitoring Greta fines and then we find that credit starts to become a problem because everybody becomes cautious. I in the problem in instances of the bank is went asking themselves what they ought to do. Rather what can we get away with. There is a As an additional problem we've put upon our shoulders. which is there are a German term for this but there there are categories of problem which we don't dress because the only people who've been trying to address some odd people with the west possible onces capitalism? I think falls into this basket The people who have been critiquing it. The most for many years have made a lot of other people not want to critique it because those people who've been critiquing it all along have an answer. And it's Marxism. Yes yes so. We avoid that we avoid having the discussion. Because we simply don't want the same thing with the inequality quality discussion I think which is there is there are so many discussions have inequality in the and there's been quite a lot of literature about them about that issue issue over the decades. It's sort of been run already. It's nothing new that debate that we're going through but it's very striking to me that again. The political rights tended to avoid inequality debate. Why because the people who've been thinking about it have an answer? It's Marxism sure. We want to be absolutely sure if we have that conversation now. They're not going to smuggle Marxism when we're not looking if I can get back to this issue the way in which we've actually completely turned on. Its head now. The beliefs and values that underpinned western society. I mean we really have. I mean the Christian model all of relationship with the numbers established by the idea of cross dying on across nuts friends. Even but freeze enemies turn the other cheek Do unto others. You'd you'd have them do unto yourself And then the I spy is sort of the the sort of a minimalist version of that at least do no harm out of mill. But it's all gone. We've actually reversal together. In the in in in the interest of the big May of Sufism off radical autonomy. That says I will do with my life and my body the and my money and my time and my relationships what I choose. We've actually inverted the the world view if you like that. That drove our freedoms and I think the me as has someone of Christian belief the greatest question except that people have absolutely the right to choose or not choose faith but the greatest checked ah question of all the greatest challenge for the secularist. On what basis will we establish a whiff Qabail respect Ferrara's because no society of a democratic tradition can possibly survive. I I believe it's impossible to survive if you can't find a basis a rational basis that's enough the change people's behavior so that we break free. I mean you might point. We're reverting to type progressive side with moving in to see to a better future but in reality. Is You Cypher. Looking at other societies as you travel the world will losing if you like what we had on reverting rather than progressing well. 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12:18 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"Problem solving that surely laws at the heart of Western progress. Oh my goodness well but I accept your dog. You won't be one way of also think about this. I think is the pursuit of truth is now gonNA massive blockade in his way and the blockade is me I so south so you and I know this we. We are so many examples of it some of which I give him the book but don't go into that very difficult area. Why why should I go into this very difficult area because it offends me now? The obvious thing that the adults in the room do at that point his so so do we become hostage to these people any people. Anyone who says don't go though it offends me and are we step back and as I like the other issues I mentioned earlier. There's a good reason for that. There's an advantage. We're generally speaking our site. Is We recognize. Being nice to people is better than not being nice to people are being polite not offending people is a good idea. It's not the view throughout human. History is not globally at the moment. But but in in societies like straightaway. Broadly speaking we okay. I'm sorry I offended you. Try to avoid that but if this means that there are whole areas we don't look into let me give you an example quickly issue of child rearing child production parenthood. There are whole set of very painful issues with him. Now almost unending lending number of painful issues and a lot of truths that need to be said a lot of facts anita be explored many things though we you know about. We've we've been doing it flying off as a species However if somebody says if if one person says in a room that offends me we are likely to step back? We're trading one of the most painful important things in the person's life So we're hostage to that and it means that you can very easily as a society wants. You say we're not going to talk about. Oh explored difficult and painful things. It's very pretty easy. Society as a result fullback and rely on lies all untruths. And you nasty the consequences of this. I'm now a forty. I see the consequences of my contemporaries who for instance were told at the outset of their careers. You can have everything. Yeah that was an easy thing to tell people. It was a nice thing to tell. People is a very encouraging thing to tell people and it was also a little bit untrue. This is really important stuff talking to one of my neighbors at home in rural a strategy a highly intelligent man very thoughtful men very pragmatic man and he said to me John. You are too much about about the stuff. People have got a lot of common sense. These three kids. They're being educated in systems now with madness taken. My Interpretation Shen of your society. Correct me if I'm wrong is audacious thing to explain from Australian offers. You can explain Britain to me but I was in in Australia. Lost some some for us and I was very started multiple city toll. I was very started that I thought that that the I I have relied and I'm sure he's having around for lying in recent years on the assumption that your average Australian retains the common sense that is perhaps absent from the average American these days not to mention patsy average breath. There was some Coal all sci-fi down the road the why we would normally put it and while that may be true for many people. I was very struck in city after city Australia and New Zealand. That what I describe in the madness of crowds was with at is now absolute heart in your country. That and I was trying. I've been trying to work because I read a little bit about Australia. In the previous strange death of Europe as well as you know about the immigration question and specifically on the historical auricle guilt issues and it seems to me among other things that I love. You too. Correct me on this but it seems to me among other things that Australia has had a massive shift in it. Sense of itself is all lifetime and as a result very vulnerable to this sort it has I agree with him and another man who agree with both Frank Peretti now he would not identify on the political spectrum. Where you and I'm not but he too would say yeah? Yeah Australians still display a lot of common sense etc etc but I said to him Do you think our universities avoided the worst of this and he looked at quick shopping he I said now I think you've fallen laser into the worst. Yes of the British and American yes but to come to the Australian salk. Because it's something I want to draw you. Think the preps are most pronounced sports fan. Certainly the one that I think I respect most personally long gone across now. Donald Bradman right unbelievable believable Australian cricketer what was known for his character and it was saying to him is what we thought method in character. He was extraordinarily gracious in victory on humble indicate although I round he was extraordinary. Gracious in defeat and humbling victory. We admired him enormous. He was a legend for that. At what point in Western culture did pride which is another word for a self centeredness eclipse humility as a premium value. Something to celebrate V lack. What it comes down onto the same axle shift as everything else? Which is broadly speaking? Do you think you'll society was a force for good. All was it evil evil from the start. Since nineteen forty-five every Western society has has gone through this shift at some point usually for similar reasons and again the basis of it it has some good things accounting for historic Lara's for instance by the way the oddity of this is for instance all the countries the made to feel worse. The moment all the places with the least reason to feel worst. I mean we don't see massive self interrogation Gatien in China. There's a reason there's a reason. And there's a reason by the way which we should be proud of our countries which is perhaps perhaps the free free companies. One of our freedoms is to beat up on ourselves. Yeah agree short. But we have the capacity to self examine And work how long were better position. Right is a large part of the thesis of Your Book. But we've done it will but having almost arrived at the railway station. Suddenly we've decided with no progress at all. We've gone backwards with absolutely terrible in the Trans. Just run off down the platform US right. The generation comes along with with believing in many cases. I mean having been light into the societies like Australia and bits are the most racist. Society's most sexist society is on all homophobic or at Sarasota compared head to which societies precisely in the world so the staggering lack of geographical and historical context in our country. I mean this is another. This is another fading of the university system. If the university system had merit it would it will be inculcating in young people among other things a sense of damn gratitude for status doctors. Just for starters some sense of perspective on the world. I've been very lucky. My career traveled extremely widely goes across every continent in the world. And one of the things I know everywhere I go is how lucky I've been how lucky I've been component of society. I've been born into at the time. I was born here for abused even privileged and and center hard thing to measure as you sign the book but Yes but But as I say eat all of our societies at some point got shifted onto this idea that actually we went very good we weren't very virtuous that we done so much wrong and this is where we become susceptible enormously susceptible to anybody eh claims to have a different way of doing things and who claims to have the answer for instance to everything. Let me just tell you this out a little. The loss loss of historical knowledge. A background seems to maybe be terrible. I don't think you can work at where you're at where you want to go. If you can't establish where you've come from by upbraiding if you like it seems to me not one of the Gripe listens I would've thought of history is it to ny to deny people freedom I'm of conscience. Belief religion is to Ny to deny them the must fundamental freedoms of all and again Frankfurt. He made this point. He said the first first freedom in a way in the West was freedom of conscience. We Buni one another strike because it was barbaric it was not Christian and it was also a stupid uh-huh today's minority might not be tomorrow's majority. You talk about that a bit that it appears at some people who have been pushing shing for rights having achieved them than turn the Jack but that they once we're on the receiving end around an attack. Although in fact you Mike There's something in here that really jumped out at me. You said almost immediately the after gay marriage became legal in Germany acceptance of it was made a condition condition of citizenship in the state of Biden. Wittenberg a condition of citizenship. And I'll ask you stop it. Does that leave the left. Those figures and Free Country they run to believers who don't believe in marriage at all they suddenly have actually gone up. And we've I believe in marriage and it's new but only for gays. That is everything that are on history store so to say we ought to land at history segments of it has given us the freedoms that we have. But if you want to understand where we've gone wrong we can learn from the things we've gone wrong as well. It went up a pay even lend the things we go wrong or from the things that we got raw things we got right. Well one of the reasons why the the new metaphysics new religion I describe in his book is identifiable is because the people who follow it behave with all zealotry that religious fanatics fanatics of behaved within the past. It's not enough that they believe something you have to believe it too. I wrote in The spectator recently. Recently about the It's a minor thing but the rest running. America called CHICK-FIL-A CHICK-FIL-A Sound the people who've Family is Christian family business. Pretty Big China. It's a big change third largest chain restaurant. America opened a a the first time in the UK in October and announced shortly. Afterwards it is closing Because a protest by local self-appointed gay activists because Chick-fil-a in America Christian family found it gave donations about ten ten years ago to a family challenge family oriented charities which included opposition to gay marriage and so and so forth. So here's the thing with that. 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"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

John Anderson: Conversations

13:57 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on John Anderson: Conversations

"That you clearly spill out the thing that you've just said in the book On guys that there are almost differences within each each grouping under the hitting so guys lesbians and so forth and enormous differences. Even frictions between in them. Yes and in many ways. It's I would imagine quite deeply resented on enjoying the guy managed by Australia. Anybody who's watching the debate closely could see there. It was quite a range of views in the body quite a ranch and in fact there were quite a few who said we've never believed in marriage. Why would we want to do it? Yeah there was something. Yeah because you didn't say that in the meteor didn't suit the narrative you've got other people at Saint often. Using in inverted commas the groupings dive put together and insist stock agent. Right hang together to pursue a man of agendas. There will often often to pursue specific political objective. Yeah I mean. I wrote a piece in the spectator. You can't support gay marriage before as popular to be in support important gay marriage and explain what I regard as being the conservative case for it which was an article which David Cameron used as a basis for his first main speech on the issue I defended the right but I also am worried by having white for longtime by the extraordinary intolerance of elements of the gay community which I say so called Khazar. There is no such thing I mean so this is one of the interesting aspects of this that there must be a lot of gay people. Don't want to be defined by. This sexual sexualizing the things they citizens they mockby boilermakers. I might be Sydney city executives or whatever you but but suddenly there's an insistence that define themselves. Yeah and this is this is coming in very recently. And it's come in each of the ones I described and it's a basis for madness when people say the gay community who you talking about. It's like women think this a really fifty percent of the species all agree on something. A blacks save this really Now this is let me put it another way. If somebody said I just love the working Kloss us who yeah. I just love the middle class who I love the APP. Who you talking about? And it's the same. Why why would we be? Why would we be falling for this interpretation of society as depending solely or primarily on interest interest groups based on gender slash sex sexual orientation race and a bit more? Why would we be doing that? Why would we be taking the individualism? Vigil Ism out of individuals and lumping them in these demonstra ably incoherent bodies. That don't even exist. I don't even exist the LGBTQ community. Take me to your leader. Come on especially in a way you know in public gophers. The thing that struck me about this is that it it actually ends up dividing is hopelessly so we're forever focusing on the on the differences on the things that divide vodka citizens rather than the things that you not us and that we have in common. What if that's the point? Well let's just that's the point. So that's the second chapter is really on on the mocks on the Marxist thing now now this pulling to get off of disparate groups who I have grievances that can be stoked and sort of if you like used as battering rams for political objectives often without them probably even realizing that innocence. They've been used the preps the modern version of Lennon's useful idiots. Yeah yeah this is this is. There's a pattern in all of this As I say not chapter you can you can see the intellectual underpinnings and they come from this idea. If IT'S A it's a Marxist idea but it's Just transferred to the modern era. Where instead of talking about society in cost structures you talk about in minority interest groups structures? And you love people like this this. Wha what is what is the primary of his Among other things it is a different interpretation of society which is therefore intended ended to segregate and pull apart societies as you and I might understand them so that people's primary affiliation is not that I'm an Australian alien or I'm British but I'm a member of the LGBT community greatest Sydney area for instance you can predict with one hundred percent accuracy. The people who encourage this the people who will will grab the latest claim by an interest group and run with it and it is always people always people who in in the past had another way of trying to attack societies had a radical Marxists view of the world for instance. We know this with the green issue where yeah and again like like the rights issues. I write about in this book. They succeed because they're not onto nothing. You know the Green Green Movement is onto something with the environment with a planet but it has this hideous red interior which keeps exposing itself as desiring not not a better relationship between ourselves and our environment but for instance the end of capitalism. Yeah and it's the same with this I expose in each of the chapters that the people who make it repeatedly and desperately plane that they believe for instance that being a woman is should be merely the first step in a wider mission to bring down capitalist title is now. I don't think most women were on board with that. Most we will be rather surprised to be utilized in this fashion but that is very clearly and and explicitly I quote the the various scholars and writers who've been pushing us for years this explicitly the aim. And it's why as I say you you always predict exactly who's going to latch onto the latest claim when when for instance the big bid man with male Genitalia Genitalia. Wins the women's weightlifting competition. You can predict with one hundred percent accuracy. Who is going to say yeah? What's the problem with that? And the people who are going to say I'm not sure clients. The big weightlifter should be winning the women's category you can predict it and the people people who say. Why have you got a problem with that? Bigot always the same people who believed in the past that our society's needed to be pulled apart. Pardon another fashion and now they'd like to do it in this fashion. So this is what might be called. I think accurately cultural Marxism people grind here. We go again but in reality it is the case. Isn't that from the twenty S on Frankfort School. When the thirties you had Graham Scans title saying there's a problem in the either thrive capitalism the working classes and not rising out they always a letdown always a letdown? I haven't done the job for FORCI. We need to find different. Y Two J design objectives and has to attack the cultural underpinnings of Western society in particular I would have thought things like capitalism itself dementia but also Christianity and family. uh-huh famine. The great loser out of a lot of this frankly awkward side these culture wars our children. Yeah you know we've deconstructed the family and so in many ways and this further attacks environment which our kids grow up. Yeah I'm never quite understood. How the Cultural Marxists managed to capture academia in the West and particularly the same in the English speaking countries? Oh that's yes that's easy. I mean the the first of all academics can be. I think Fannie characterized as north among the bravest people in the world That once they get tenure they become very comfortable the position they all. This isn't always the case. But they ought to consider extent as long as they take the right boxes and have the right views an unusual oh beast in nature and they have no predator They are able to have a very comfortable a position in which they can should express perhaps uncomfortable discoveries but the comfort of recent decades has become the comfort mm foot of exposing and following basically coach remarks. His view of the world I the the literature of the evidence of this is so overwhelming now particularly from America it has to be said and there are. There are reasons within that why that's the case. I mean look the amount amount of money that is not the the people. Now run up to get an education in America. it's happening in the UK as well but if you if you massively increased the number the people who who who go to university and think they should go to university you can't keep up a system that rewards people for having gone to these universities and you create create a Ponzi scheme which is what Academia has great extent become a social science departments grow and grow where the human and resources departments grow and grow common the multiple now. But it's like three or four times. More money is spent American Academy on the purely bureaucratic Eurocratic elements of it than even twenty years ago. Which means that young people in countries like America running up massive debt in in a Ponzi scheme that cannot reward them because there aren't roles at the end of it all these people with degrees that give him? I think by the way a massive amount of resentment coming in the next few years this from people who realize they've had I think this is one of the dangers frankly for wishing society review but but to go back to the origins of why academics in addition I mean. Let me put it another time. This is one that will make me normally unpopular with some remaining friends in academia. But it's also the case that degrade extent. This isn't where the bright people have gone in recent years Tell me outside of specific sciences and competences tell me a situation where In the last twenty years we would say this is a really big problem. Let's go to the universities and ask them for the answer. When when in recent decades we've had massive issues have we been saying we must I Oscar? Professors what they think no. We haven't for all sorts of reasons but one of them is that not very good at giving us says anymore and and and by the way the place you'd go last finance that would be the gender studies department of a West Coast University. Let's go and see what they can tell us about. The sex is. Oh there. Aren't sexes as just one hundred genders including two spirit people we just invented yesterday. Oh great they're useful. This is a useful department. Thank goodness kids are getting into massive debt. Being lied to by these people. They've they've lost. They've lost in large part. The competency had and I think there's all sorts of reasons for that as I say among other things massive expansion attention of that sector beyond where it should have gone a one of the reasons that matters as at such a high proportion of young people in the West go through university. Yeah and then. They filter out into teaching our children into the media and do all sorts of influential prices. Now the boardrooms they'd be crying centers of Great Whiteness Business. Yes in our country yes. Of course the use of the knees small C conservatives you would find on university were generally in the economics departments they would also always have Marxist economics departments but you. You often find that was where some conservatives were because he economics still needed conservative thought. That's not the case so much anymore. And certainly not the case in the humanities and the evidence in the the what studies have been done show us the overwhelming helming preponderance of Marxists self identifying SOC this and others off in recent years and the only place you can really find open radical Marxists after the cold. War Closes is in the university system. Although now we also have it in our political system so that's a development development I have to say I'm still amazed at how willingly how Ridley how lazily people give up that much heralded sort of AH shoot of evidence based reasoning.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

News Radio 810 WGY

06:30 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

"Well the bad news is the Ben Shapiro show we're joined on the line by Douglas Murray is the other brand new terrific book called the madness of crowds gender race and identity Douglas thanks much during the show really appreciate it it's a great pleasure to be with you Ben so why don't we start with just the basic pieces of your book the madness of crowds what is happening in our society that is that is so dangerous and polarizing right now in my view that been noting the some years that you have the other half but there are certain issues going up but he which we are incredibly bad about speaking about and that we don't even allow it though think about that and that kori is on the decline people getting destroyed on people rocked again thank you for around four particular tactically knock everything to do with being gay everything to do with women in particular relations between the sexes everything to do with race and absolutely anything to do with her and I decided I would take the subject one by one and we should be having open up the question of that Jerry this thing no all we own mutual yesterday and study the things which we really don't know enough about well not not as much as we pretend we do and by then we'll be explain why our societies have gone so demented as that issue then why in my view that is just a brute political for using identity groupings of nothing more than political victory that was I I totally agree obviously there's a wide range of discussions we had about all of the various identity based issues that that you're discussing their why do you think that there is such a tennis right now to shut down those discussions and I had a discussion the other day with a very very prominent science popularizer shows a and this person was kept going on and on about how science always needs to be the basis for all policy how we have to investigate every area of science and I said okay let's talk about the science of trans and he immediately shot or him he said we can't discuss that because that might end up basically backing assumptions I don't wanna make and I I just felt like well are you for signs you're not for signs of what happened here right exactly what you'll be on the prize the one particular event in your life makes it into the book and the trend has said yeah which one it is but it's fascinating because because you know I wanted some years ago one this one keep on trucking people over and there's a really clear reason why and there's a reason why either feminist and some gay people and a load of science will not do what that hold among others on the trans issue and it because it's the one in our society where people are being told they have to live they have to say that the evidence is not true or not the evidence and to believe something out America's again in contradiction but we had to fall I think for a couple of centuries of believing the scientific method is a good way to judge thing and and we provided on this issue not to be that of a mother that should give it might have been a lot in the last few days about the crowd came out let's take a look at like it all out program it's about being told to lie because I know you know the demoralizing profoundly demoralizing for an individual as it is for society to do even a little lie because you know the little light makes a big allied like three down the road and that's not the case of a whole load of things around for the current one is particularly close the buckle light yeah I was thinking that was more his new book the madness of crowds really is a fascinating book he covers as he says the the issues and identities of of homosexuality female race an entrance at Douglas you're you're not coming at this from the perspective of straight white male in fact you're gay and yet you are willing to have conversations about basic factual points this is really falling out of style and left I guess that that is the big question is why has left decided that they are no longer going to even embrace the discussion because they used to be a sort of faith at least in left wing circles that if you pursue the scientific questions then you would end up with good policy and yet now it's it's an attempt to write everything down on the basis of identity politics means take a perfect example there's a study that came out about the origins of homosexuality to found as I think most people suspected that's partially genetic and partially environmental and there is no single gauging now this seems to me not to really change much I mean if if you want to make an argument for a rights based on a libertarian John Stuart Mill principle that's a fairly compelling argument but people went ballistic about this in fact I talked to one of the scientists who helped create the study before it came out and he suggested that they had to run the studies wording through gay rights groups before it was actually released out of fear of the blow back it would happen for even discussing the issue yeah yeah well if you that's one of the reasons I wanted to tackle the gay issue for because you see it clear the people have been pretending we know a lot more than we do on that issue and and the the the other issue and we're not about what you what he does some that we do that we can be done and that something in the range of the but you know that they can give the study referred to exactly even the Cape light by and the book but but you see those three things I think one is there it's quite PlayStation all of it I mean I have your last week I refused to call their sculpting a sound made by you they pronoun he said he he's non binary and I don't think any such thing exists I just think it means look at me and you are already all right because because only because all you say I want to save them right all that being good with whatever it is they want me to do with the English language I reckon pretty precious thing because I would do that the name game magazines and Bristow that America will be this week for my prejudice by the way they didn't bother to mention in the pieces that I am gay myself which you could basically disappearing Hey but the rebels that the post about the what they do get it thank you right wing maniac refuses to do they use them not just politics they want to win the same reason they say that black people who are conservative and no longer black and gay people can have different evolved a gay and all that stuff they just want to win but underneath that and the one I'm really white about he's a new generation coming along under the five who are being told lies about believing some of these life and docket testified about the life and you know I'm passionate about the true from this because I don't want young people to grow up in lies and to not be able to think about things and not be up the truck because I want them to do more meaningful things with their lives we'll be back in a second but first I need to take a moment for my deep you can.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on 790 KABC

790 KABC

06:52 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on 790 KABC

"Is the Ben Shapiro show we're joined on the line by Douglas Murray is the other a brand new terrific book called the madness of crowds gender race and identity Douglas thanks was running the show really appreciate it because of the with the event so why don't we start with just the basic thesis of your book the madness of crowds what is happening in our society that is that is so dangerous and polarizing right now so my view that been listening to some years that you have another Pat but there are certain issues going up but you which we are incredibly bad about speaking about and that we don't even allow off though think about and that kori is indeed line people getting destroyed on people rocked again nine if you for around four particular tactically knock everything to do with being gay everything to do with women in particular relations between the sexes everything to do with race and absolutely anything to do with her and I decided I would take the subject one by walk her customer we should be having open up the question of the day the sting no all we own mutual yesterday I'm sorry the things which we really don't know enough about or not not as much as we pretend we do and I didn't want to just explain why our societies of gum so demented as the issue and why in my that is just a political force using identity grouping some nothing more than political victory that was I I totally agree obviously there's a wide range of discussions to be had about all of the various identity based issues that that you're discussing their why do you think that there is such a tendency right now to shut down those discussions and I had a discussion the other day with a very very prominent science popularizer shows a and this person was kept going on and on about how science always needs to be the basis for all policy how we have to investigate every area of science and I said okay let's talk about the science of trans and he immediately shot or him he said we can't discuss that because that might end up basically backing assumptions I don't want to make and I I just felt like well are you for signs you're not for signs of what happened here right exactly well you'll be I'm surprised the one particular event in your life makes it into the book in hand Hastert yeah which one it is but it's fascinating because because you know I wanted some years ago one because this one keep on trucking people over and there's a clear reason why and there's a reason why either feminist and some gay people and a load of science will not do what they're told to do among others on the trans issue and it because it's the one in our society where people are being told they have to live they have to say that the evidence is not true or not the evidence and to believe something out America's again an entire provision but we had to fall I think for a couple of centuries of believing the scientific method is a good way to judge thing and and we provided on this issue not to be that of a mother that shouldn't have it and I have this a lot in the last few days been battling crowd came out let's take a look at Michael if you fall out program it's about being told to lie because I know you know the demoralizing profoundly demoralizing for an individual as it is for society to do even a little lie because you know the little light makes a big allied like three down the road and that that's the case of a whole load of things around for the current one is particularly close the bios away noticing a Douglas Murray his new book the madness of crowds really is a fascinating book he covers as he says the the issues and identities of of homosexuality female race an entrance at Douglas you're you're not coming at this from the perspective of straight white male in fact you're gay and yet you are willing to have conversations about basic factual points this is really falling out of style and left and I guess that that is the big question is is why has left decided that they are no longer going to even embrace the discussion because there used to be sort of faith at least in left wing circles that if you pursue the scientific questions then you would end up with good policy and yet now it's it's an attempt to write everything down on the basis of identity politics means take a a perfect example there's a study that came out about the origins of homosexuality and found as I think most people suspected that it's partially genetic and partially environmental and there is no single gauging now this seems to me not to really change much right I mean if if you want to make an argument for gay rights based on a libertarian John Stuart Mill principle that's a fairly compelling argument but people went ballistic about this in fact I talked to one of the scientists who helped create the study before it came out and he suggested that they had to run the studies wording through gay rights groups before it was actually released out of fear of the blow back at what happened for even discussing the issue yeah yeah well if you that's one of the reasons I wanted to tackle the gay issue for because you see it clear that people have been pretending we know a lot more than we do on that issue and I'm just the the the other issue that we know about what you what he does some that we do that we had we done and that something that the range is up but you know the click in the study referred to exactly even the Cape light I am the book but but you see those three things I think one is there it's quite PlayStation all that I mean I have your last week I refuse to call their sculpting a sound bite ray you ran pronoun he said he he's non binary and I don't think any such thing exists I just think it means look at me and I already already because because only because all you say I what do you say that right all that good but whatever it is they want me to do with being kicked back which I reckon pretty precious thing because I would do that the main game magazines and Bristow that America will be this week for my prejudice well the way they don't bother to mention in the pieces that I am gay myself which you could basically disappearing day but that they have all that before I don't know what they do get it thank you right wing maniac refuses to do they use them now this is just politics they want to win the same reason they say that black people who are conservative and no longer black eight people confess of August okay and all that stuff they just want to win but underneath that and the one I'm reading white about he's a new generation coming along under the five you are being told lies about believing some of these life and doctor testified about the life and you know I'm passionate about the true from this because I don't want young people to grow up in life and to not be able to think about things and not be up discussed because I want them to do more meaningful things with their lives we'll be back in a second but first I need to take.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

WLS-AM 890

02:21 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

"Is the Ben Shapiro show we're joined on the line by Douglas Murray is the other a brand new terrific book called the madness of crowds gender race and identity Douglas things was running the show really appreciate it a pleasure to be with your band so why don't we start with just the basic pieces of your book the madness of crowds what is happening in our society that is that is so dangerous and polarizing right now so my view that been noting the family unit that you have a lot of have but there are certain issues going up but he which we are incredibly bad about speaking about and that we don't even allow it though think about that and that that curry is and then the line people getting destroyed on people who are not begin thank diner we all around for particular category now everything to do with being gay everything to do with women in particular relation between the Texas everything to do with race and absolutely anything to do with her and I decided I would take the subject one by one and we should be having open up the question of that they received no all we all mutual yesterday I'm sorry the things which we really don't know enough about or not not as much as we pretend we do and by then we'll do you have to explain why our societies have gone so demented as the issue then why in my that is just a political force using identity groupings and nothing more than political victory that was I I totally agree obviously there's a wide ranging discussions we had about all of the various identity based issues that that you're discussing their why do you think that there is such a Tennessee right now to shut down those discussions and I had a discussion the other day with a very very prominent science popularizer shows a and this person was it kept going on and on about how science always needs to be the basis for all policy how we have to investigate every area of science and I said okay let's talk about the science of trans and he immediately shot him he said we can't discuss that because that might end up basically backing assumptions I don't wanna make and I I just felt like well are you for signs you're not for signs of what happened here right exactly what the price of one particular event in your life makes it into the book in hand yeah which one it is but he's making because because you know I wanted some years ago one this.

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"douglas murray" Discussed on 790 KABC

790 KABC

12:07 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on 790 KABC

"The Ben Shapiro show we're joined on the line by Douglas Murray is the other a brand new terrific book called the madness of crowds gender race and I does he just came out a couple of days ago and it's already starting to run up the the charts Douglas thanks was running the show really appreciate it. it's a great pleasure to be with your band. so why don't we start with just the basic pieces of your book the madness of crowds what is happening in our society that is that is so dangerous and polarizing right now. so my view that been noticing the some years that that you have the other half but there are certain issues enough but you which we are incredibly bad about speaking about and that honey we don't even allow it though think about that and that kori is in decline people getting destroyed on people rocked again thanks nine if you. for around four particular tactically knock everything to do with being gay everything to do with women in particular relation between the Texas everything to do with race and absolutely anything to do with her and I decided I would take the subject one by one. the discussion we should be having open up the question of that Davis. you know all we all mutual yesterday and said he was saying which we really don't know enough about or not not as much as we pretend we do and by then we'll do you explain why our societies have gone so demented as that issue and why in my. that is just a political force using identity groupings and nothing more than political victory. that was I I totally agree obviously there's a wide range of discussions we had about all of the various identity based issues that that you're discussing their why do you think that there is such a tendency right now to shut down those discussions and I had a discussion the other day with a very very prominent science popularizer shows a and this person was it kept going on and on about how science always needs to be the basis for all policy how we have to investigate every area of science and I said okay well let's talk about the science of trans and he immediately shot or him he said we can't discuss that because that might end up basically backing assumptions I don't want to make and I I just felt like well are you for signs you're not for signs of what happened here. right exactly what you'll be on the price of one particular event in your life makes it into the book in hand. yeah which one it is but. it's fascinating because because you know I wanted some years ago one this one keep on checking people over and there's a clear reason why and there's a reason why either feminist and some gay people and a load of science will not do what they're told among others on the trans issue and it because it's the one in our society where people are being told they have to lie they have to say that the evidence is not true or if not the evidence and to believe something out and that goes again an entire expedition we've had it for I think for a couple of centuries of believing the scientific method is a good way to judge thing and and we provided on this issue not to be that of a mother that should give it might have been a lot in the last few days bachelor crowd came after let's take a look at like the ball out program it's about being told to lie because I know you know. demoralizing profoundly demoralizing for an individual as it is for society to do even a little lie because you know the little light makes a big allied like three down the road and that that's the case of a whole load of things around for the current one is. because the postal way. using a Douglas Murray his new book the madness of crowds really is a fascinating book he covers as he says the the issues and identities of of homosexuality female race an entrance at Douglas you're you're not coming at this from the perspective of straight white male in fact you're gay and yet you are willing to have conversations about basic factual points this is really falling out of style and left and I guess that that is the big question is is why has left decided that they're no longer going to even embrace the discussion because there used to be sort of faith at least in left wing circles that if you pursue the scientific questions then you would end up with good policy and yet now it's it's an attempt to write everything down on the basis of identity politics means take a a perfect example there's a study that came out in the last several weeks about the origins of homosexuality to found as I think most people suspected that is partially genetic and partially environmental and there is no single gauging now this seems to me not to really change much right I mean if if you want to make an argument for gay rights based on a libertarian John Stuart Mill principle that's a fairly compelling argument but people went ballistic about this in fact I talked to one of the scientists who helped create the study before it came out and he suggested that they had to run through gay rights groups before it was actually released out of fear of the blow back it would happen for even discussing the issue. yeah yeah well if you that's one of the reasons I wanted to tackle the gay issue for because you see it. clear that people have been pretending we know a lot more than we do on that issue and I'm just that they they're all they should be tender not about what you what he does some that we do that we had we done and that something in the range is up but you know the beginning the study referred to exactly even the Cape light I am the book but but you see those three things I think one is there it's what PlayStation all of it I mean I have your last week I refused to call their sculpting a sound bite ray your brand pronoun he said he he's non binary and I don't think any such thing exists I just think it means look at me and I already already because because only because all you say I what do you say that right all that good but whatever it is they want me to do with being kicked back which I reckon but he presses thing because I would do that the name game magazines in bricks of active archive well me this week so my prejudice well the way they don't bother to mention in the pieces that I am gay myself which you could basically disappearing day but the rebels that before I don't know what they do thank you right wing maniac refuses to do they in them that this is just politics they want to win the same reason they say that black people who are conservative and no longer black gate people confess of August okay and all that stuff they just want to win but underneath that and the one I'm really wide about he's a new generation coming along under the five you are being told lies about believing some of these life and doctor testified about the light and you know. about the true from this because I don't want young people to grow up in lies and to not be able to think about things and not be up the truck because I want them to do more meaningful things with their lives. so that was also talk a little bit about the the issue of race because obviously that comes up in the book as well and this is extraordinarily touchy anytime people talk about race without the without all of the the various qualifiers there immediately treated as as racist and eat you mention a number of these issues coming up I in in your book everything from the treatment Nicholas Christakis at Yale to the the decent treatment of of Sir John despite her anti white comments what do you make of of where we are on race is the is this a bridgeable gap anymore it seems like reason has gone out the window we can't treat each other as individuals we're supposed to abide by these rapidly changing standards of of what is appropriate on discussions of race I don't even know what to make of it but you you do the job of breaking it down in in in the madness of crowds. well I'm very worried about this one I mean there is to a great extent version of the American racial divide which is being pumped everywhere I we had black lives matter in London a few years ago when I went to see that protest where they were walking along the street in London accompanied by a mom to British police but with the hand boxing hand back there and shoot. the British police couldn't have shown that if they'd wanted this. we did way in which American racial problem end up getting pumped ever out and only one of the weapon Michael with these issues I one of the D. weaponize gay I want the weapon isolation during sex isn't the issue the round women I want the weapon I strangled the weaponize race and oversee races he's one of the hottest if not the heart but you know if we lean on it as heavily as when our leading there is a whole list of hell we can come to yeah and I think in all of these cases in all of these right kind that I do one by one. because we stopping at equal yeah can we stop the vehicle all other people who always want to run on cost equal to backtrack thanks and we do get bit of this and we got a little bit of it by no means every little bit of this happening in society. it's a bit better to be gay. a bit better to be a woman not in every situation some of the very public situation and it's a bit better in some situations to be black and this is this is a marine dangerous thing to say to be because it is the flip side of that I think it's the white list study them I walk what you have to hold the limit hi people who are white what problem causing looking white is the same thing problem appointing people go back it's taking an uninteresting what we would hope to be an all important characteristic I'm making it every fact and if we make race everything we just have a whole pile of hell in this generation to look for it and and you know I'm so distant particularly looking at this in America and focus the by the way in which it's basically north about the contents of any one each for their ideas it's about because and I quote that they are the end of the race after the way in which basically mockingly thinking the maze innovation. universities in fifty years they live a white list but the professor speaks of Boston University a few months ago and says the people who judge people by the content of their character and not by their skin color all the problem. well let's talk for a second about the the origins of this Douglas so you talk a little bit about what happened in the post modern era because it used to be and I was my own book I talk a lot about sort of the the grand narratives that you talk about the religion and political ideology the the sort of unifying things that were supposed to bring people together or at least give us ideas to rally about it these have caved away and social institutions of collapse social media has filled that gap and that's led to the sort of rapid tribal is Asian what is that the really big problem I mean it can be big narratives be rebuilt in an era where there's so much comfort to be taken in finding people who look like you or web same sexual orientation and can be outward directed at an other that that unifies people internally. yes there are several things that one it's obviously there is the political move but I analyze and the big boxes and the boxes substructure of the law. the they need never went away the working class let them down they decided to use like that he could the new working class yeah the new product area the new revelation right that that going on but there's also this thing definitely within the PAC K. H. I mean I'll give an example in the book all what you do if you just Google image search it and you know your listeners can do that on file we'd like to think that if we search for something we get what we are full of food I we don't that is the search engine give up the thing we didn't talk for if that the thing could not meant to search for if you if you want to search the yeah gay couples on Google images you'll get a nice happy healthy looking gay couple he's such a straight couple making the gate I mean.

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03:04 min | 2 years ago

"douglas murray" Discussed on KSFO-AM

"Will also be joined by Douglas Murray who is the author of a bunch of books including the strange death of Europe hello update us on brexit and the situation in Europe with regard to immigration but we begin at this hour with bad news for Justin Trudeau so Justin Trudeau or as I like to call and handsome Bernie Sanders Justin Trudeau good looking dude don't have an idea that head of his very very social is very woke spends a lot of his time talking about how the west has really done a horrible job for minorities and women and how he's on their side also venom colorful costumes as it turns out up awhile back yeah she dressed up in like in Indian garb with his family when he when visited India but that's not the one is generating controversy today it turns out there are three separate incidents in which Justin Trudeau dressed up in black face and brown face according to The Washington Post a third incident of Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau appearing in racist make up emerged on Thursday morning hours after he apologized for in brown face and Arabian nights themed party in two thousand one and black face and a high school performance Liberal Party spokesman confirmed the young men in black face in a video published Thursday morning by global news. was Trudeau said it was from the early nineteen nineties Trudeau turned twenty in nineteen ninety one the succession of revelations Wednesday evening and Thursday morning. as rocks Trudeau's campaign as he faces a tough battle for a second term Trudeau in Winnipeg Winnipeg Manitoba on Thursday canceled his morning events. hello apologize on Wednesday evening after time magazine published a yearbook photo taken in two thousand one when should I was a teacher at the private west point grey academy in Vancouver the picture depicts the then twenty nine year old smiling while wearing a feather turban his face darkened into practice with racist roots yes second will discuss you know how racist is register because it in good but it also isn't the same as original blackface is not motivated by the same sort of stuff it doesn't have the same ramifications does that I attended an end of the year gala where the team was Arabian nights I dress up in a Latin costuming put make up on I should have done that I should know better but I didn't and I'm really sorry to also admitted to wearing blackface in high school while singing the banana boat song Dayo at a talent show the video published on Thursday shows a few seconds of a third incident in which your raises his arms and makes a face is wearing an Afro and black make up. sure does currently facing a difficult challenge from conservative party leader and we share who blasted his opponent Wednesday night calling the brown face total in active open mockery and racism sure said he was shocked and disappointed. conservatives have said all along the Troodos not as advertised that this goes to his sort of well okay Popper see. a true does he just in his apology on Wednesday his what worked all his life to try and create opportunities for people to fight against racism and intolerance. he earned international acclaim in two thousand fifteen when is the new prime minister he unveiled a cabinet that looks like Canada as he put it back then he boasted about having more six in his cabinet and prime minister mody does in India. so Trudeau gave a statement earlier today and here is what he said..

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